1 Charles Johnson  Mar 1, 2015 6:46:12pm

Notice the backdrop with “Veritas” printed over and over.

2 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2015 6:46:22pm

Reposting from downstairs

Chuck is such a goofball:

And an addendum…CPAC was BORING!!!

He should have just stayed home…

3 freetoken  Mar 1, 2015 6:47:39pm

Little did anyone know that “CPAC” stands for CosPlay Amateurs’ Convention.

4 retired cynic  Mar 1, 2015 6:48:23pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

Boring, except for that EPIC Breitbart party!

5 Kragar  Mar 1, 2015 6:48:28pm

Based on O’Keefe’s record, at least one of those 3 women should be expecting harassing emails from Jimmy in the coming weeks.

6 freetoken  Mar 1, 2015 6:49:38pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

CCJ’s wrong as usual:

“… then later followed up by banning the company outright …”

No, the FDA did not “outright” ban the 23andMe.

7 goddamnedfrank  Mar 1, 2015 6:50:29pm

From the last week:

Or it was just another deceptively edited, overly hyped pile of pure bullshit.

8 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2015 6:50:53pm

re: #6 freetoken

CCJ’s wrong as usual:

No, the FDA did not “outright” ban the 23andMe.

I know that because I’m a 23andMe person.

9 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2015 6:51:43pm

This O’Keefe CPAC photo is very interesting because of the three people on the right side of the photo.

10 Great White Snark  Mar 1, 2015 6:54:02pm

Ultra low rent reception/photo line LOL. Backdrop should be a couple feet taller and wider.

11 Targetpractice  Mar 1, 2015 6:56:07pm

re: #7 goddamnedfrank

From the last week:

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Or it was just another deceptively edited, overly hyped pile of pure bullshit.

Is this about the whole “Sharpton’s after money” video?

12 FemNaziBitch  Mar 1, 2015 6:56:25pm
13 WhatEVs  Mar 1, 2015 6:58:55pm
14 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2015 6:59:08pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

This O’Keefe CPAC photo is very interesting because of the three people on the right side of the photo.

[Embedded content]

Hint: Streetwalker looking person at far right is “Dr. Gina Louden”.
Have fun googling her!

Oh, and the young thing is her 18-year-old daughter who is dating the pictured Steven Bauer (who is older than her father).

Family Values!

15 goddamnedfrank  Mar 1, 2015 6:59:31pm

re: #11 Targetpractice

Is this about the whole “Sharpton’s after money” video?

Yep. Apparently James thought Al was going to have him snuffed out.

Because that’s a rational thing to be afraid of …

So fucking dumb.

16 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 1, 2015 7:01:29pm

re: #12 FemNaziBitch

No way!

/

17 Romantic Heretic  Mar 1, 2015 7:02:15pm

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the face of the modern Right.

Pretty sad, isn’t it?

18 #FergusonFireside  Mar 1, 2015 7:03:38pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

This O’Keefe CPAC photo is very interesting because of the three people on the right side of the photo.

[Embedded content]

And his 19 year old girlfriend spawn of RWNJ

19 #FergusonFireside  Mar 1, 2015 7:04:20pm

re: #14 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hint: Streetwalker looking person at far right is “Dr. Gina Louden”.
Have fun googling her!

Oh, and the young thing is her 18-year-old daughter who is dating the pictured Steven Bauer (who is older than her father).

Family Values!

So the mom is in on it too. So weird.

20 WhatEVs  Mar 1, 2015 7:05:00pm

re: #17 Romantic Heretic

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the face of the modern Right.

Pretty sad, isn’t it?

Not just sad. It’s weird. Deeply weird.

Between Tri corner hats, American flag clothing and the above mentioned Cosplay, it’s more a SciFi convention.

Loved the girl with handcuffs, though. #FiftyShadesOfConservatism

21 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2015 7:05:04pm

re: #19 #FergusonFireside

So the mom is in on it too. So weird.

And Mom is BFF with Sarah Palin.

22 Targetpractice  Mar 1, 2015 7:05:10pm

re: #15 goddamnedfrank

Yep. Apparently James thought Al was going to have him snuffed out.

Because that’s a rational thing to be afraid of …

So fucking dumb.

I think it’s telling of how little attention he garners anymore that the video didn’t get attention outside the wingnut haunts.

23 #FergusonFireside  Mar 1, 2015 7:07:09pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

And Mom is BFF with Sarah Palin.

It’s almost like she pimped out her daughter. Bauer looks more into Gina & she’s more his type.

Weird as fuck.

24 WhatEVs  Mar 1, 2015 7:07:50pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

And Mom is BFF with Sarah Palin.

I’m shocked. Shocked, I say.

Actually, I’m shocked not in the least. I could see Sarah (from my house!) wearing every one of those costumes.

25 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 1, 2015 7:07:55pm

re: #14 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hint: Streetwalker looking person at far right is “Dr. Gina Louden”.
Have fun googling her!

Oh, and the young thing is her 18-year-old daughter who is dating the pictured Steven Bauer (who is older than her father).

Family Values!

Who is the zombie-looking thing in the white sweater and the pushed-up boobs?

26 #FergusonFireside  Mar 1, 2015 7:08:54pm

No sweets in the house :(

27 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2015 7:09:13pm

re: #23 #FergusonFireside

It’s almost like she pimped out her daughter. Bauer looks more into Gina & she’s more his type.

Weird as fuck.

It gets weirder (and more disgusting)…Dr Gina adopted a Down Syndrome child and uses him for her pro-life creds.
Dr. Gina thought it was hilarious that her adopted son was mistaken for Trig backstage at a Palin event a few years ago.

28 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2015 7:09:56pm

re: #25 The Mother Of All Pies

Who is the zombie-looking thing in the white sweater and the pushed-up boobs?

No idea (and I’m kinda relieved that I don’t know)

29 #FergusonFireside  Mar 1, 2015 7:10:47pm

re: #27 Backwoods_Sleuth

It gets weirder (and more disgusting)…Dr Gina adopted a Down Syndrome child and uses him for her pro-life creds.
Dr. Gina thought it was hilarious that her adopted son was mistaken for Trig backstage at a Palin event a few years ago.

They all want to be Kim Kardashian or something. Just picking the RWNJ route.

30 ObserverArt  Mar 1, 2015 7:11:31pm

So, O’Keefe is doing porn now?

/

31 #FergusonFireside  Mar 1, 2015 7:12:01pm
32 WhatEVs  Mar 1, 2015 7:12:01pm

re: #30 ObserverArt

So, O’Keefe is doing porn now?

Wasn’t he always? /

33 ObserverArt  Mar 1, 2015 7:13:12pm

re: #14 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hint: Streetwalker looking person at far right is “Dr. Gina Louden”.
Have fun googling her!

Oh, and the young thing is her 18-year-old daughter who is dating the pictured Steven Bauer (who is older than her father).

Family Values!

Her name seems to be spelled Loudon. Just did a Google search.

34 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2015 7:15:20pm

re: #33 ObserverArt

Her name seems to be spelled Loudon. Just did a Google search.

yep…typo on my part…I had kittehs helping.

35 Maddies Mom  Mar 1, 2015 7:15:38pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

And Mom is BFF with Sarah Palin.

Ms. Loudon may have had a hand in dressing Ms. Palin for the big event. La Palin has been known to wear the clothing of others (<cough> Bristol <cough>).

36 Ace-o-aces  Mar 1, 2015 7:15:53pm

Worst. Strippers. Ever.

37 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 1, 2015 7:19:19pm

The only thing missing from the photo is a drunk ass CCJ.

38 #FergusonFireside  Mar 1, 2015 7:20:08pm

CL’s creepy head busts still showing up for me. Muchas Gracias.

39 Mattand  Mar 1, 2015 7:21:08pm

Throwing in my vote for renaming the people in the photo “The Village Idiot People”.

Also kinda funny how James O’Keefe and CCJ pretty much write the same Tweets: overuse of the royal “we” and proclivity towards paranoia (“I’ll be assanianted because I’ve spoken the TRUTH™!!!!”)

40 Shiplord Kirel  Mar 1, 2015 7:21:37pm

Conservative citizens group or bondage meet-up? You be the judge!

41 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 1, 2015 7:23:32pm

re: #37 Eclectic Cyborg

The only thing missing from the photo is a drunk ass CCJ.

He’s behind the curtain, squatting on the floor.

42 Varek Raith  Mar 1, 2015 7:23:49pm

re: #36 Ace-o-aces

Worst. Strippers. Ever.

re: #40 Shiplord Kirel

Conservative citizens group or bondage meet-up? You be the judge!

You sick bastards.
/

43 Great White Snark  Mar 1, 2015 7:24:41pm

re: #30 ObserverArt

Oh hey BTW I did see your comment on the general discourse, how it goes with guns etc. You had logged out when I saw the comment. Yeah, I get ya. Gotta do better than what we have.

44 ObserverArt  Mar 1, 2015 7:24:45pm

Heh. Google took me to this link at some St. Louis AM radio site. Check out these Dr. Gina Loudon rave endorsements. Quite the crew.

“The conservatives’ secret weapon—a double-edged sword. She is adorably disarming, and masterfully brilliant-A rising star in America’s renewal.”
-Wiliam Federer. Author, speaker, historian, American Patriot

“She’s gorgeous! And she fights the good fight!”
-Pamela Geller, founder Atlas Shrugs, author, commentator

“A reliable source of truth…a voice of clarity, wisdom and understanding about [the] issues.”
-Congressman Todd Akin (R-MO)

“She not only knows the issues…she lives them!”
-Wendy Wright, Concerned Women for America

KJSL TruthTalk 630 AM

45 Shiplord Kirel  Mar 1, 2015 7:24:47pm

Conservative base or Walking Dead extras call?

46 Nyet  Mar 1, 2015 7:25:32pm

re: #38 #FergusonFireside

CL’s creepy head busts still showing up for me. Muchas Gracias.

The stealthy Jihaaaaaad!

47 #FergusonFireside  Mar 1, 2015 7:28:10pm

re: #43 Great White Snark

Hey, did you see the LAPD killing of the homeless dude yet? I have a feeling it’s where you pass by on your commute.

48 Belafon  Mar 1, 2015 7:28:11pm

re: #30 ObserverArt

So, O’Keefe is doing porn now?

/

As I said in the last post, it’s the cast of Dildos on a Boat.

49 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2015 7:28:48pm

re: #44 ObserverArt

Heh. Google took me to this link at some St. Louis AM radio site. Check out these Dr. Gina Loudon rave endorsements. Quite the crew.

KJSL TruthTalk 630 AM

yeppers, that’s her.

50 Great White Snark  Mar 1, 2015 7:31:56pm

re: #47 #FergusonFireside

Yeah. looks awful. It’s some blocks from my commute. But frightening in any case. Gun? What gun?

51 #FergusonFireside  Mar 1, 2015 7:33:51pm

re: #50 Great White Snark

Yeah. looks awful. It’s some blocks from my commute. But frightening in any case. Gun? What gun?

9 cops. They are not getting away with this anymore. Too bad a dead guy has to go first.

52 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2015 7:33:52pm

Woodstove loaded, rain threatening to turn into snow or worse.
I’m off to nap for a few short hours…

Back in a few…

53 FemNaziBitch  Mar 1, 2015 7:36:00pm

re: #16 Eclectic Cyborg

No way!

/

WAY!!!

:)

54 #FergusonFireside  Mar 1, 2015 7:37:08pm

Worked all weekend. Tired. Need a good start tomorrow. Want to stay up for The Walking Dead.

My first world prob, and yes, it’s hard.

55 FemNaziBitch  Mar 1, 2015 7:37:37pm

Isn’t she Lovely????

56 FemNaziBitch  Mar 1, 2015 7:38:49pm

re: #54 #FergusonFireside

Worked all weekend. Tired. Need a good start tomorrow. Want to stay up for The Walking Dead.

My first world prob, and yes, it’s hard.

This is how I feel with my computer/smart phone issues.

Yet, I don’t get out and about the way I used to and felt totally disconnected from the world without my electronics this weekend.

57 Mattand  Mar 1, 2015 7:39:10pm

re: #40 Shiplord Kirel

Conservative citizens group or bondage meet-up? You be the judge!

50 Shades of Nay.

58 #FergusonFireside  Mar 1, 2015 7:40:16pm

re: #57 Mattand

50 Shades of Nay.

50 Shades of Pray. (fake pray that is)

59 PhillyPretzel  Mar 1, 2015 7:41:11pm

OT: I just updated my Downton Abbey page. There will be a season 6.

60 FemNaziBitch  Mar 1, 2015 7:41:45pm

*spit*

61 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 1, 2015 7:42:03pm

Remember the good old days when Glenn Beck was the craziest nutbar on the right?

62 Targetpractice  Mar 1, 2015 7:42:43pm

re: #60 FemNaziBitch

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*spit*

Why does it not surprise me, stuck defending the monumental cock-up of their own police department, their only defense is to blame the victim for his own death?

63 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 1, 2015 7:43:03pm

re: #60 FemNaziBitch

64 #FergusonFireside  Mar 1, 2015 7:43:36pm

re: #60 FemNaziBitch

[Embedded content]

*spit*

In an open carry state no less.

B U L L S H I T.

they will cover their asses in hell.

65 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 1, 2015 7:43:46pm

I went Googling for CPAC photos. Found this one. These people look like they’d be more fun that the American CPAC.

lequebecexpress.com

66 Mattand  Mar 1, 2015 7:43:58pm

re: #14 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hint: Streetwalker looking person at far right is “Dr. Gina Louden”.
Have fun googling her!

The quick two line summaries Google puts in their results were enough. My Derp Meter was pegging just from reading those.

Oh, and the young thing is her 18-year-old daughter who is dating the pictured Steven Bauer (who is older than her father).

Family Values!

Conservative cognitive dissonance is like how a poisonous snake is immune to its own venom.

67 nines09  Mar 1, 2015 7:47:16pm

It’s the Billage Peoples about to break into a rousing toe tapping rendition ’ GAAA -G - OH- PEE……,..Shilling for the GAAA-GEE- OH-PEE. …..

68 ObserverArt  Mar 1, 2015 7:49:53pm

As an Ohioan and frequent visitor to Cleveland, I have to say that BS to cover the police butts in the lawsuit is pathetic. That department has had its problems in the past. They will be taken to task over this and their past history and the already exposed hiring practices that led to the cop’s hire is going to hurt them.

Did I hear somewhere along the line something about the feds stepping in due to past corruption and looking into the whole department? I think there is enough for them to look at them.

69 retired cynic  Mar 1, 2015 7:50:04pm

re: #67 nines09

More like ‘pillage people’.

70 Varek Raith  Mar 1, 2015 7:50:33pm

Apparently, kids are supposed to dodge bullets.
Or something.

71 #FergusonFireside  Mar 1, 2015 7:51:26pm

re: #68 ObserverArt

As an Ohioan and frequent visitor to Cleveland, I have to say that BS to cover the police butts in the lawsuit is pathetic. That department has had its problems in the past. They will be taken to task over this and their past history and the already exposed hiring practices that led to the cop’s hire is going to hurt them.

Did I hear somewhere along the line something about the feds stepping in due to past corruption and looking into the whole department? I think there is enough for them to look at them.

I think so. Police departments across the country are very very concerned. Of being investigated. Therefore, be very aware if you are pulled over.

72 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 1, 2015 7:52:27pm

re: #70 Varek Raith

Apparently, kids are supposed to dodge bullets.
Or something.

Only bad guys get hit by bullets. The good guys, never, or maybe just get a flesh wound.

I saw in a movie once.

73 FemNaziBitch  Mar 1, 2015 7:52:55pm

re: #12 FemNaziBitch

Embedded Image

*ahem*

74 ObserverArt  Mar 1, 2015 7:53:24pm

Later all. Keep on ‘em!

75 #FergusonFireside  Mar 1, 2015 7:53:26pm

re: #71 #FergusonFireside

I think so. Police departments across the country are very very concerned. Of being investigated. Therefore, be very aware if you are pulled over.

Being pulled over. That’s how the last St. Louis Co. killing occurred (yesterday or the day before) Driving violation. (tags? tail light? failed to blink long enough?) You dead.

76 FemNaziBitch  Mar 1, 2015 7:54:11pm

bbl

77 Targetpractice  Mar 1, 2015 7:54:49pm

Here’s the City of Cleveland’s answer to the complaint (pdf) for the legal eagles in the LGF ranks. But really, what I’m seeing is the City is A) trying to stall for time by saying it doesn’t know the particulars of the case because it tossed the whole kit and kaboodle to the Cuyahoga County Sheriff’s Dept and B) argue that any damages were totally the fault of the victim and his family.

78 Gus  Mar 1, 2015 7:54:54pm
Today I am pleased to report on specific initiatives that have been advanced in the past month by my Cabinet-level climate change working group. These initiatives represent important steps in putting our principles to work through partnerships with other nations, industry and non-governmental organizations. They are designed to increase our scientific understanding of climate change, to tap the enormous promise of technology in addressing greenhouse gas emissions, and to promote further cooperation on climate change with our partners in the Western Hemisphere and beyond.

President George W. Bush

79 A Cranky One  Mar 1, 2015 7:54:59pm

re: #38 #FergusonFireside

CL’s creepy head busts still showing up for me. Muchas Gracias.

I posted some links to wombat toys. Clicked on them a few times and the creepy head busts disappeared. ;)

80 Kragar  Mar 1, 2015 7:56:42pm

re: #71 #FergusonFireside

I think so. Police departments across the country are very very concerned. Of being investigated. Therefore, be very aware if you are pulled over.

If stand your ground laws have taught us anything, its that the subsequent investigations go much more smoothly when only one party is still alive to go on record.

81 #FergusonFireside  Mar 1, 2015 7:57:49pm

I can go on and on. But I drive a rough commute every day. And every day in the midst of the jam, there’s a cop pulling over a poor sap (old saying) just someone with a busted tail light. I’m pissed because they quadrupled the back up, and because it’s bullshit targeting of $200.00 to the poor guy, & that ticket will probably mean no food for his kids.

82 jaunte  Mar 1, 2015 8:00:51pm

re: #78 Gus

“…In many cases, their scope is international, reflecting the fact that both the problem and solutions for climate change extend beyond the borders of any one nation. And they represent the kind of investments in scientific and technological knowledge on which real progress on this long-term challenge must be based.”

Fuzzy-minded one-worlder RINO!

83 jaunte  Mar 1, 2015 8:01:07pm

[wingnut]

84 Gus  Mar 1, 2015 8:01:20pm

re: #82 jaunte

Fuzzy-minded one-worlder RINO!

Damn radical hippie!

85 Charles Johnson  Mar 1, 2015 8:01:25pm
86 Gus  Mar 1, 2015 8:01:49pm

Climate change frenzy!

87 Charles Johnson  Mar 1, 2015 8:02:56pm

Twitter apparently does take some threats seriously after all.

88 Targetpractice  Mar 1, 2015 8:03:02pm

One other thing to bear in mind is that “He’s responsible for his own death!” is an affirmative defense, as in the City of Cleveland’s lawyers are actually going to have to pull together experts and witnesses who’ll take the stand and argue that a 12 year old boy would still be alive today had he instinctively known to drop his toy and hit the ground the moment a cop car came screeching to a halt in front of him.

89 Kragar  Mar 1, 2015 8:03:53pm

re: #87 Charles Johnson

Twitter apparently does take some threats seriously after all.

Its good to be the king.

90 Great White Snark  Mar 1, 2015 8:04:05pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

Did they suspend the account yet?
\

91 #FergusonFireside  Mar 1, 2015 8:05:51pm

re: #88 Targetpractice

Wasn’t Tamir 6’8” too? Gah, it is too too much.

92 A Cranky One  Mar 1, 2015 8:06:04pm

re: #73 FemNaziBitch

Better? ;)

93 Kragar  Mar 1, 2015 8:06:24pm

re: #88 Targetpractice

One other thing to bear in mind is that “He’s responsible for his own death!” is an affirmative defense, as in the City of Cleveland’s lawyers are actually going to have to pull together experts and witnesses who’ll take the stand and argue that a 12 year old boy would still be alive today had he instinctively known to drop this toy and hit the ground the moment a cop car came screeching to a halt in front of him.

Cleveland’s announcement basically just said you need to treat cops like they’re going to kill you at any moment, even if you’re just sitting their playing around.

94 Varek Raith  Mar 1, 2015 8:06:53pm

re: #73 FemNaziBitch

*ahem*

[Embedded content]

O rly?

95 Charles Johnson  Mar 1, 2015 8:08:44pm
96 jaunte  Mar 1, 2015 8:10:36pm

re: #95 Charles Johnson

He’s seriously asking for a media hack detector. Amazing.

97 A Cranky One  Mar 1, 2015 8:10:44pm
Good night all.
98 #FergusonFireside  Mar 1, 2015 8:11:16pm

re: #97 A Cranky One

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perfecto.

99 jaunte  Mar 1, 2015 8:12:04pm

Not being taken seriously at CPAC must have stung.

100 Charles Johnson  Mar 1, 2015 8:12:30pm

re: #96 jaunte

He’s seriously asking for a media hack detector. Amazing.

He’s completely oblivious to how hypocritical he looks.

101 #FergusonFireside  Mar 1, 2015 8:13:26pm

I’m still popping into the Todd Rundgren concert. 1/2 way thru. And he is really at his best.

102 Romantic Heretic  Mar 1, 2015 8:14:26pm

re: #40 Shiplord Kirel

Conservative citizens group or bondage meet-up? You be the judge!

Conservative citizens group.

The kink community acts very vanilla in public, plus we don’t like to have our pictures taken. Most of us have employers who would not react well to our sexual proclivities.

With the nutbars in the picture, well, the people they work for know exactly what they are, and approve. Or at least find them useful.

103 Gus  Mar 1, 2015 8:15:51pm
104 Gus  Mar 1, 2015 8:16:36pm

Oct 11, 2008

105 Gus  Mar 1, 2015 8:17:17pm
106 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 1, 2015 8:19:16pm

re: #96 jaunte

He’s seriously asking for a media hack detector. Amazing.

Such a device would self-destruct as soon as it got within 2 feet of him.

107 Gus  Mar 1, 2015 8:25:48pm
108 RealityBasedSteve  Mar 1, 2015 8:26:44pm

re: #106 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Such a device would self-destruct as soon as it got within 2 feet of him.

It’s like the time I was at Home Depot and accidently walked by the the display of stud detectors.

/rimshot

RBS
Enjoy the veal.

109 Mentis Fugit  Mar 1, 2015 8:27:32pm

re: #96 jaunte

He’s seriously asking for a media hack detector. Amazing.

He has one hanging on his wall. If he shaved, he’d have found it.

110 BeachDem  Mar 1, 2015 8:27:39pm

re: #95 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Mr. Super Researcher could have just gone to Mashable:

Use These 10 Sites to Detect Plagiarism

mashable.com

111 #FergusonFireside  Mar 1, 2015 8:36:51pm
112 teleskiguy  Mar 1, 2015 8:37:15pm

Evening Lizards.

So, Bibi Netanyahu is speaking in front of Congress on Tuesday. Helluva campaign stop.

113 #FergusonFireside  Mar 1, 2015 8:40:02pm

re: #112 teleskiguy

Hey guy, hope you are feeling fine. If I could request you follow me on the twit. @michellevista

114 Targetpractice  Mar 1, 2015 8:40:16pm

re: #112 teleskiguy

Evening Lizards.

So, Bibi Netanyahu is speaking in front of Congress on Tuesday. Helluva campaign stop.

Like I said earlier, you have to almost pity the GOP, as they seem to have orchestrated this week to be utter hell for them. Monday they’ve got a cloture vote in the Senate that Democrats will likely filibuster, meaning there’s no chance of keeping the House DHS bill alive. Bibi speaks on Tuesday, which will lead to fallout. And Friday is the deadline for DHS funding under the stopgap bill.

115 goddamnedfrank  Mar 1, 2015 8:41:02pm

It’s been done, we call it turnitin.com, buy a membership.

116 teleskiguy  Mar 1, 2015 8:41:51pm

re: #114 Targetpractice

It’s their M.O. They don’t want to govern. They want to dismantle government.

117 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 1, 2015 8:43:01pm

re: #115 goddamnedfrank

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It’s been done, we call it turnitin.com, buy a membership.

These Young Conservatives are so Internet-savvy!

118 teleskiguy  Mar 1, 2015 8:46:29pm

re: #113 #FergusonFireside

Hey guy, hope you are feeling fine.

I feel good. It’ll be seven days sans alcohol tomorrow.

Skiing was fun today, I got illy with it and I gave a short lesson. It has snowed every day the last four days up in the mountains, so skiing is nice.

I also started journaling yesterday. Filled out three pages. Haven’t written in it today, I worked and skied, just got home a half hour ago.

119 BeachDem  Mar 1, 2015 8:49:04pm

re: #112 teleskiguy

Evening Lizards.

So, Bibi Netanyahu is speaking in front of Congress on Tuesday. Helluva campaign stop.

Frankly, I’d rather hear Bebe Neuwirth speak.

120 Targetpractice  Mar 1, 2015 8:49:22pm

And the House GOP leadership are only adding fuel to the fire. Boehner is saying he wants to “negotiate,” forgetting that pounding on that back in 2013 only highlighted just how ridiculous the GOP’s position was. McCarthy ups the stupidity quotient not by calling for the “nuclear option,” but going forward to argue that it “57%” of the Senate approves of a bill so it should pass, ignoring six years of Republican arguments that the filibuster was practically glad in gold. And Scalise, to top off this shit sandwich, is telling folks that no deal was made to bring the Senate DHS bill to a vote, contrary to what both Pelosi and Reid are saying was the terms of agreeing to support a one-week stopgap.

121 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 1, 2015 8:49:37pm

re: #119 BeachDem

Frankly, I’d rather hear Bebe Neuwirth speak.

Even as Lilith Sternin.

122 #FergusonFireside  Mar 1, 2015 8:49:40pm

re: #118 teleskiguy

I feel good. It’ll be seven days sans alcohol tomorrow.

Skiing was fun today, I got illy with it and I gave a short lesson. It has snowed every day the last four days up in the mountains, so skiing is nice.

I also started journaling yesterday. Filled out three pages. Haven’t written in it today, I worked and skied, just got home a half hour ago.

We have your back. Big time.

123 Jenner7  Mar 1, 2015 8:50:04pm

What will happen if the cop who murdered Tamir gets away with it?

124 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 1, 2015 8:51:48pm

re: #115 goddamnedfrank

It’s been done, we call it turnitin.com, buy a membership.

Even a text search with Google will work at least 75% of the time. I’ve used it to check my students’ papers.

125 #FergusonFireside  Mar 1, 2015 8:52:32pm

re: #123 Jenner7

What will happen if the cop who murdered Tamir gets away with it?

Protests to dismantle the whole fucking thing. It is out of control and thank dog to social media, it’s hitting the people’s reality.

Before, always hidden in some local paper, no one cared, cops were justified.

No More.

126 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 1, 2015 8:52:36pm

re: #118 teleskiguy

I feel good. It’ll be seven days sans alcohol tomorrow.

Skiing was fun today, I got illy with it and I gave a short lesson. It has snowed every day the last four days up in the mountains, so skiing is nice.

I also started journaling yesterday. Filled out three pages. Haven’t written in it today, I worked and skied, just got home a half hour ago.

This is a great news! Keep it up, bud!

127 RealityBasedSteve  Mar 1, 2015 8:54:24pm

re: #124 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Even a text search with Google will work at least 75% of the time. I’ve used it to check my students’ papers.

Darn kids now. I remember when we had to order them from the back of Rolling Stone.

RBS

128 teleskiguy  Mar 1, 2015 8:57:46pm

I know the word “epic” is kind of a stupid word, but I’ve skied epic powder (See? I used the word correctly there) so I take license with “epic” in this here tweet.

129 Targetpractice  Mar 1, 2015 9:00:03pm

I think what might put the cherry on top of it all would be Dems taking their designated seats on Tuesday, then getting up as one and walking out as Bibi takes the podium. Would not only make their disapproval public, but it would also prevent Boehner from going ahead with his plan to stuff the empty seats with GOP staffers.

130 #FergusonFireside  Mar 1, 2015 9:00:58pm

Made it to the Walking Dead. (usually in bed by now) Gonna enjoy/cry/gag

See ya’ll tomorrow!

131 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 1, 2015 9:02:03pm

re: #127 RealityBasedSteve

Darn kids now. I remember when we had to order them from the back of Rolling Stone.

RBS

Oh, you can still order papers, but now you can do it online, too. There are “services” that are pretty obvious about what they’re selling, and writers who generate papers and theses for money. One of those writers wrote an exposé about it a while ago for The Chronicle of Higher Education. chronicle.com

132 goddamnedfrank  Mar 1, 2015 9:02:05pm

re: #130 #FergusonFireside

Made it to the Walking Dead. (usually in bed by now) Gonna enjoy/cry/gag

See ya’ll tomorrow!

The reason I hate The Walking Dead is because it’s just like Glee …

133 Kragar  Mar 1, 2015 9:05:19pm
134 RealityBasedSteve  Mar 1, 2015 9:10:21pm

re: #131 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Oh, you can still order papers, but now you can do it online, too. There are “services” that are pretty obvious about what they’re selling, and writers who generate papers and theses for money. One of those writers wrote an exposé about it a while ago for The Chronicle of Higher Education. chronicle.com

Looks like a good article. I’ve bookmarked it for later enjoyment.

RBS

135 Kragar  Mar 1, 2015 9:11:18pm
136 Targetpractice  Mar 1, 2015 9:12:50pm

So apparently I’m going to wake up in a few hours to wingnuts bombarding me with links about how the President threatened to shoot Israel planes out of the sky if they tried to bomb Iran. And the source for this is a Kuwaiti newspaper with “unnamed sources” which managed to scoop every other major newspaper in the Western hemisphere. If I were a conspiracy theorist, I’d think this was well-timed for Bibi’s speech…

137 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 1, 2015 9:13:39pm

re: #135 Kragar

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So SSM sets us on the Slippery Slope™ to polygamy, but serial polygamy is OK? Just checking.

138 RealityBasedSteve  Mar 1, 2015 9:20:44pm

re: #137 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

So SSM sets us on the Slippery SlopeTM to polygamy, but serial polygamy is OK? Just checking.

Serial poly is good, Parallel poly is bad.

RBS

139 retired cynic  Mar 1, 2015 9:22:04pm

re: #138 RealityBasedSteve

Serial poly is good, Parallel poly is bad.

RBS

Serial poly is way too much trouble!

140 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Mar 1, 2015 9:22:51pm

My daughter traveled from Philadelphia to Boston this weekend with her friend’s family. They left Boston today around 3 ish and as of midnight they were still in CT.

141 Lidane  Mar 1, 2015 9:23:56pm
142 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 1, 2015 9:24:51pm

re: #134 RealityBasedSteve

Looks like a good article. I’ve bookmarked it for later enjoyment.

RBS

It is, and he highlights the root causes of plagiarism — under-prepared students, lack of instruction and counseling at their institutions, and indifference by instructors.

Some universities have a turnitin.com account, and every student has to submit their papers in electronic form, which the profs (or graduate assistants) run through Turnitin. If it passed muster, they’ll read the paper and grade it.

I’ve grown so accustomed to the educational climate in China that I assume a student has plagiarized his/her paper, and then will be pleasantly surprised when it’s original. Most of the problem here comes from lack of practice in writing research papers. Kids in China never have this kind of assignment till they reach university, and once at uni, are given next to no instruction on how to do it. I taught two terms of academic writing. It was a nightmare, believe me.

143 Lidane  Mar 1, 2015 9:30:26pm

re: #142 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I lived and died by Turnitin in both undergrad and grad school. My professors wouldn’t even look at a paper that wasn’t sent to them through Turnitin. It wasn’t optional, even for my undergrad thesis.

144 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 1, 2015 9:32:13pm

re: #115 goddamnedfrank

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It’s been done, we call it turnitin.com, buy a membership.

“Everything written prior”, yeah that’s not overly broad at ALL.

145 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Mar 1, 2015 9:33:08pm

re: #140 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

She just crossed the Tappan Zee Bridge.

146 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 1, 2015 9:33:18pm

re: #118 teleskiguy

I feel good. It’ll be seven days sans alcohol tomorrow.

Skiing was fun today, I got illy with it and I gave a short lesson. It has snowed every day the last four days up in the mountains, so skiing is nice.

I also started journaling yesterday. Filled out three pages. Haven’t written in it today, I worked and skied, just got home a half hour ago.

Great to hear my friend. Keep at it. Journaling is one of my favourite forms of self therapy.

147 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 1, 2015 9:33:47pm

re: #135 Kragar

For some reason the word “scrawls” made me think of crayons.

148 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Mar 1, 2015 9:33:52pm

re: #141 Lidane

I would be impressed that Israeli planes could reach Iran.

149 RealityBasedSteve  Mar 1, 2015 9:35:08pm

re: #142 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

It is, and he highlights the root causes of plagiarism — under-prepared students, lack of instruction and counseling at their institutions, and indifference by instructors.

Some universities have a turnitin.com account, and every student has to submit their papers in electronic form, which the profs (or graduate assistants) run through Turnitin. If it passed muster, they’ll read the paper and grade it.

I’ve grown so accustomed to the educational climate in China that I assume a student has plagiarized his/her paper, and then will be pleasantly surprised when it’s original. Most of the problem here comes from lack of practice in writing research papers. Kids in China never have this kind of assignment till they reach university, and once at uni, are given next to no instruction on how to do it. I taught two terms of academic writing. It was a nightmare, believe me.

Believe it or not, one of the best training I ever got in writing research and analysis papers was at an Army NCO Leadership Academy. We had to do a number of papers in the month or so I was there, and each was graded for style, formatting, content, and coherence.

150 Targetpractice  Mar 1, 2015 9:35:19pm

re: #141 Lidane

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So what wingnuts believe is that, in a battle of wills between Bibi and Obama, it was Bibi who backed down?

151 Single-handed sailor  Mar 1, 2015 9:36:24pm

re: #127 RealityBasedSteve

Darn kids now. I remember when we had to order them from the back of Rolling Stone.

RBS

I remember when we used to have to write them ourselves, with op. cit., loc. cit. notes.

152 goddamnedfrank  Mar 1, 2015 9:42:08pm

re: #144 Eclectic Cyborg

“Everything written prior”, yeah that’s not overly broad at ALL.

“Hello Programmers? Help me recursively grep the Library of Congress. P.S. I’d like to pay for this with cookies.”

153 teleskiguy  Mar 1, 2015 9:47:53pm
An avalanche? On this road? Impossible!
154 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Mar 1, 2015 9:48:32pm

The words have oft’ been written by those before me
I’m taking my turn in trying to pass them on.

155 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Mar 1, 2015 9:54:50pm

I just went to youtube and the Todd Rungren concert is on one ofe the recommended channels for me.

156 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 1, 2015 9:56:23pm

re: #152 goddamnedfrank

“Hello Programmers? Help me recursively grep the Library of Congress. P.S. I’d like to pay for this with cookies, just as soon as my mother-in-law bakes some.”

Expanded for extra Chucky goodness.

157 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 1, 2015 10:00:07pm

re: #144 Eclectic Cyborg

“Everything written prior”, yeah that’s not overly broad at ALL.

Well, anything written prior that’s in electronic form, at least.

158 RealityBasedSteve  Mar 1, 2015 10:00:56pm

re: #152 goddamnedfrank

“Hello Programmers? Help me recursively grep the Library of Congress. P.S. I’d like to pay for this with cookies.”

It will be 20.00 for the original proposal, and .99 for each change order

RBS

159 Charles Johnson  Mar 1, 2015 10:02:41pm
160 RealityBasedSteve  Mar 1, 2015 10:04:26pm

Well, I’m off to bed. Keep a log burning in the fireplace.

RBS

161 Targetpractice  Mar 1, 2015 10:09:52pm

re: #159 Charles Johnson

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Thing is, if this is Bibi’s handiwork, I’m not sure he could have picked a worse paper to leak to.

162 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 1, 2015 10:14:27pm

re: #159 Charles Johnson

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I’m sure the timing of this “report” that Obama threatened to shoot down Israeli planes is just a coincidence. Yeah, right.

He might very well have told them: “You pull that shit, you’re on your own.” and this is their revenge.

I remember being absolutely aghast at the attack on the Ossirak reactor—I expected WWIII to break out any second. “How in the world can they get away with this?” Turns out they can get away with anything….

163 freetoken  Mar 1, 2015 10:30:24pm

A large share of the American “right wing” is in a religious delirium and part of their fantasies include a magical “Israel” that for them is a talisman as well as the final victim in some magical war of super-beings.

And this is what they think is good “foreign policy.”

164 goddamnedfrank  Mar 1, 2015 10:36:13pm
The report claimed that an unnamed Israeli minister who has good ties with the US administration revealed the attack plan to Secretary of State John Kerry, and that Obama then threatened to shoot down the Israeli jets before they could reach their targets in Iran.

LOLWUT? Probably the US told Israel that it doesn’t control and can’t possibly speak for the Iraqi government’s air defense grid. That the US could not and would not be able to make the Iraqis stand down and that a raid would further destabilize their government and strengthen ISIS’s control over the western half of the country. All of which is true.

The sources added that Gantz and his commanders prepared the requested plan and that Israeli fighter jets trained for several weeks in order to make sure the plans would work successfully. Israeli fighter jets reportedly even carried out experimental flights in Iran’s airspace after they managed to break through radars.

Yeah sure LOL okay. Does this even pass the smell test? You’re telling me that Israel got all the way across Jordan and then across Iraq’s US updated modern air defense grid, then into Iran and then back again in their gen 4 FB’s without being seen at all, and then after all that the Israeli’s were all like, “oh noes, the American’s say they’ll shoot us down if we try this for real with actual armed planes?” If this story isn’t just total bullshit then the logical Israeli thinking would have been “we can already fly anywhere we damn well please without being seen so the first anybody’s going to know about this is after the bombs fall. Let the US and Iraqis try to shoot us down on our way back, honey badger don’t give a shit!”

165 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Mar 1, 2015 10:37:59pm

re: #164 goddamnedfrank

Is there any agreement between the US and Iraq about maintaining the sovereignty of Iraqi airspace?

166 Targetpractice  Mar 1, 2015 10:40:16pm

re: #164 goddamnedfrank

LOLWUT? Probably the US told Israel that it doesn’t control and can’t possibly speak for the Iraqi government’s air defense grid. That the US could not and would not be able to make the Iraqis stand down and that a raid would further destabilize their government and strengthen ISIS’s control over the western half of the country. All of which is true.

Yeah sure LOL okay. Does this even pass the smell test? You’re telling me that Israel got all the way across Jordan and then across Iraq’s US updated modern air defense grid in their gen 4 FB’s without being seen at all, and then after that the Israeli’s were all like, “oh noes, the American’s say they’ll shoot us down if we try this for real with actual armed planes?” If this story isn’t just total bullshit then the logical Israeli thinking would have been “we can already fly anywhere we damn well please without being seen so the first anybody’s going to know about this is after the bombs fall. Let the US and Iraqis try to shoot us down on our way back, honey badger don’t give a shit!”

Wait, seriously, they’re alleging that Israeli planes violated Jordanian, Iraqi, and Iranian airspace multiple times and never once set off alarms? BULLSHIT!

167 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 1, 2015 10:41:07pm

re: #163 freetoken

A large share of the American “right wing” is in a religious delirium and part of their fantasies include a magical “Israel” that for them is a talisman as well as the final victim in some magical war of super-beings.

And this is what they think is good “foreign policy.”

Israel for most of them is an abstraction, not a physical nation with real live people living inside of it.

168 teleskiguy  Mar 1, 2015 10:44:51pm

I’ll just put this here. Guffaws guaranteed.

169 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 1, 2015 10:45:51pm

Fifty years on, Austrians still think The Sound of Music is only … meh.
m.bbc.com

The director of the movie had the impression that Edelweiss was the Austrian national anthem. LOL

170 goddamnedfrank  Mar 1, 2015 10:49:11pm

re: #165 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Is there any agreement between the US and Iraq about maintaining the sovereignty of Iraqi airspace?

Does it really matter? I mean to say, is there any version of plausible reality where anybody thought the Iraqis were going to just sit quietly by while Israel flies over their shit with armed warplanes to bomb another muslim country?

Remember that the historical animosity between Iraq and Iran doesn’t really factor in anymore, since the government is Shia led. In fact, it goes the other way, letting Israel hit Iran would only pour more gasoline on Iraq’s sectarian tensions. It would probably push the country into open Civil War. That’s what I mean by strengthening ISIS’s hand.

There’s no version of this in which Israel wasn’t just straight up asking Obama to just let them fuck us over hot and dry, undoing every last remaining bit of tenuous progress we’ve managed to hold on to inside Iraq.

171 freetoken  Mar 1, 2015 10:50:29pm

Though not a large or “mainstream” religious group, this article by the Philadelphia Church of God rag is typical of American religious delirium:

Netanyahu: The Last Defense Against a Deal With Iran

[…]

As dangerous as a nuclear deal may look today, it would be far worse without a strong voice of opposition. And don’t think this only affects a tiny nation in the Middle East—this concerns the whole world! Notice what Trumpet editor in chief Gerald Flurry said in his Key of David program titled “Why You Must Watch Jerusalem.”

When Mr. Netanyahu is coming here to speak before Congress, he wanted to talk to the world really about a massive danger—not only to Israel, but to this entire planet. And he is very passionate about it. You will see that when he comes here in March, I’m sure. He will be talking about the number one problem facing humanity, which is that of human survival.

This affects us all!

Mr. Flurry continues:

Man is about to destroy all human life off this planet! Is there anything more urgent than that? I tell you, if you listen to Mr. Netanyahu’s speech I think you’ll get a lot of that from it, and I hope that you WILL listen to it when he speaks in March because it is something that this whole world needs to be listening to.

This pivotal speech by the loudest opponent to a nuclear deal is about to take place. Watch as the Obama administration does everything in its power to discredit and undermine that speech and ultimately silence any opposition to a nuclear deal.

American society is full of these religious groups, all peddling their magical apocalypses.

172 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Mar 1, 2015 10:52:07pm

re: #170 goddamnedfrank

“Does it really matter”

Damn right it matters. If there is an agreement between the US and Iraq about their airspace we would have to honor that if Israeli planes overflew Iraq.

173 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 1, 2015 10:53:01pm

re: #171 freetoken

Iran = Leviathan, apparently,

174 goddamnedfrank  Mar 1, 2015 10:59:23pm

re: #172 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

“Does it really matter”

Damn right it matters. If there is an agreement between the US and Iraq about their airspace we would have to honor that if Israeli planes overflew Iraq.

I get that. I still very much doubt that Iraq doesn’t have it’s own hand in the loop and wouldn’t have fired on Israeli planes with everything at their disposal regardless of any agreements we might or might not have had, and chose to honor or not to honor.

I’m just not credulous enough to believe the Iraqi government and military is all like “No, it’s cool Uncle Sam, don’t worry our pretty little heads with the details. Just tell us if shit gets real m’kay?”

And that’s what I think Obama told the Israelis, that there was no way for the US to effectively guarantee the safety of their pilots over that airspace, whether we wanted to or not.

175 goddamnedfrank  Mar 1, 2015 11:37:14pm

You know what’s totally bullshit? That HBO’s Rome only got two seasons.

Seriously, looking at you Glee.

176 freetoken  Mar 1, 2015 11:39:26pm

Trying to pick music based on the key post and picture of this thread…. and this is the only thing that came to mind:

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177 Kragar  Mar 1, 2015 11:40:44pm

re: #175 goddamnedfrank

You know what’s totally bullshit? That HBO’s Rome only got two seasons.

Seriously, looking at you Glee.

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True, but then you have to look at the production values involved. Hard to work out corporate sponsors and product tie ins when the setting is ancient Rome.

178 Khal Wimpo  Mar 1, 2015 11:47:29pm

re: #175 goddamnedfrank

You know what’s totally bullshit? That HBO’s Rome only got two seasons.

Seriously, looking at you Glee.

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Or that Deadwood got shitcanned to make room for “John from Cincinnatti.” Rome, at least I can kinda understand - the pricetag for each season was in & around $100mill. The ratings were OK, but not Game of Thrones level.

The other one that I’d like to have seen go on a bit more is the Borgias. I know, I know. Different network.

179 goddamnedfrank  Mar 1, 2015 11:56:21pm

re: #177 Kragar

True, but then you have to look at the production values involved. Hard to work out corporate sponsors and product tie ins when the setting is ancient Rome.

Good point. HBO partially finances Game of Thrones by selling action figures.

180 Kragar  Mar 2, 2015 12:11:05am

re: #179 goddamnedfrank

Good point. HBO partially finances Game of Thrones by selling action figures.

Lots of other merchandising there as well.

181 Kragar  Mar 2, 2015 12:18:40am

…

182 freetoken  Mar 2, 2015 1:00:37am

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183 FemNaziBitch  Mar 2, 2015 1:36:58am

The ‘War on Women’ is the latest war that Republicans at CPAC want to win

Nonetheless, vague problems demand vague solutions. Thus MacDonald advised 2016 Republican candidates: “If you want to eliminate poverty overnight, you can wipe it out by having stable, two-parent households.” (Note the weaseling inclusion of “stable.”) After all, we determine income inequality by households, so take two people living together in poverty, marry ‘em, and presto! No more poverty. Statistical problems go away if you stop gathering statistics. That only sounds nutty if you don’t already know that global warming isn’t real because thermometers lie.

“oooh, oooh, ooooh, it’s magic”

Paged

184 urbanmeemaw  Mar 2, 2015 1:37:29am

re: #40 Shiplord Kirel

Conservative citizens group or bondage meet-up? You be the judge!

It would be irresponsible not to speculate.

185 FemNaziBitch  Mar 2, 2015 1:46:19am
186 FemNaziBitch  Mar 2, 2015 1:48:36am

re: #185 FemNaziBitch

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“don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining” was my first response. I decided not to post it.

187 FemNaziBitch  Mar 2, 2015 1:49:06am

bbl

188 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 2, 2015 2:20:36am

re: #183 FemNaziBitch

Naturally, this ignores the reality that there are plenty of married couples living in poverty in the USA. Getting married is not a magic spell to cure poverty.

The GOP lives in an Ozzie and Harriet fantasy world.

189 Tigger2  Mar 2, 2015 2:35:49am

re: #188 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Naturally, this ignores the reality that there are plenty of married couples living in poverty in the USA. Getting married is not a magic spell to cure poverty.

The GOP lives in an Ozzie and Harriet fantasy world.

It’s really hard to convenience the Republicans that the 50s are over. Since most of their base grew up in the 50s and hate to let that time period go.

190 Justanotherhuman  Mar 2, 2015 2:43:53am

OK, since no one is here, I will describe my “get off my lawn” moment yesterday.

The 18 yr old next door “adopts” engine-driven articles of various types from time to time. This time it was a Yamaha dirt bike, last time a go-cart. Don’t know where he gets them, but he doesn’t keep them long.

Their patio has turned into a veritable garage atmosphere lately, grease-stained, trashy, and I have to keep total tabs on various tools he borrows from me. They are becoming the neighbors from hell, and always borrowing stuff and not returning it, etc. I am a bit too charitable sometimes, but it’s a bug, not a feature, lately.

Yesterday, though, the kid bought my ire. The grassy area beyond the patio was previously always well-tended but when I came home yesterday afternoon, he had managed to drive a tire sized groove down the entire length, along with a bit of other damage.

So, after enduring hour after hour of gunning of the engine, etc, I had had enough and yelled at him to cut the crap and stop tearing up the grass. The old landlord would never have allowed this kind of vandalism, but with an absentee one using a distant “mgmt co”, I can see things around here deteriorating rather quickly when people think there is no one around to stop them. I’m not sure how long they’ll be here since he let it slip that they hadn’t paid the Feb rent (for which they have received no notice from the Clown Car mgmt co), and since the Clown Car mgmt co isn’t doing a very good job, that it will stay empty once they notice the rent isn’t being paid.

Not so sure of any future scenario since I tracked down some info after finding out that some LLC shown on the local public records as buyer w/an address in Flushing that wasn’t valid, and got back a call from a guy at JP Morgan/Chase who said he lived there, claims the purchase of these apts is probably some type of scam and that the RE market is the “wild west”. If this place starts becoming a neglected dump, we’ll have to move because that’s totally unacceptable to me. I suspect someone had to hide some income and we’re “it”.

191 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 2, 2015 2:47:40am

re: #72 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Only bad guys get hit by bullets. The good guys, never, or maybe just get a flesh wound.

I saw in a movie once.

Not entirely true. But bad guys go down with the first shot, good guys have to get hit like fourteen times and take a half hour to finally die.

192 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 2, 2015 2:48:12am

re: #190 Justanotherhuman

Do you think someone is trying to flip the property?

193 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 2, 2015 2:52:36am

re: #163 freetoken

A large share of the American “right wing” is in a religious delirium and part of their fantasies include a magical “Israel” that for them is a talisman as well as the final victim in some magical war of super-beings.

And this is what they think is good “foreign policy.”

It has nothing to do with Israel or the Jewish people, it has to do with ushering in Armageddon and the End Times so all us good Christians can finally come to Jesus.

194 Justanotherhuman  Mar 2, 2015 2:53:21am

re: #192 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Possibly, but I was also told, and when I look on the mgmt co website, they’re more in the business of trying to “sell” properties of various kinds, mostly in Charlotte, to people on a “lease/purchase” contract and you never actually “own” those properties because there is no deed transfer. The mgmt co certainly don’t own the properties so they can’t sell them outright.

195 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 2, 2015 2:57:18am

re: #194 Justanotherhuman

So, it’s a scam, basically.

196 Justanotherhuman  Mar 2, 2015 3:07:12am

re: #195 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

This is the only person, other than the clown they sent in an Infiniti car to do repairs w/no tools and, seemingly, no concept of maintenance, that I’ve ever spoken with and that was on the phone: linkedin.com

It took her over a month to send out letters showing who they were and where to send the rent. I found out who they were in Dec, and notified other tenants, so most of us got the rent in on time—not that it appears to matter that much.

197 Justanotherhuman  Mar 2, 2015 3:31:52am

re: #195 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Also, BTW, none of the various names I checked out w/the NC Real Estate Comm listed on their website as real estate “professionals” has a RE license w/the State of NC.

198 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 2, 2015 3:51:33am

re: #197 Justanotherhuman

Also, BTW, none of the various names I checked out w/the NC Real Estate Comm listed on their website as real estate “professionals” has a RE license w/the State of NC.

They have the earmarks of a company focusing on cash flow and not in actually managing their property), though the cash flow concern may be weak, too.

Or they could be rank beginners.

199 Justanotherhuman  Mar 2, 2015 4:05:12am

re: #198 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

They have the earmarks of a company focusing on cash flow and not in actually managing their property), though the cash flow concern may be weak, too.

Or they could be rank beginners.

Well, considering that the “owner/broker” tried to rent some of the worst properties in Charlotte in some of the worst crime-ridden areas at up to $10K/wk (market rent would be $1500/mo) during the 2012 Dem convention, I don’t think he’s an amateur at this. He claims he’s been in RE since 2003, but as I said, I couldn’t find where he has a RE license.

200 Justanotherhuman  Mar 2, 2015 4:18:17am

re: #198 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

You can’t find a well maintained 3BR, 2BT house in Charlotte even for $850/mo.

Here’s a “detail” on one of their rentals:

Tenant occupied on month to month lease, no showings until a successful contract is negotiated. Currently under-rented at $750/mo, but previously rented for $850/mo (my emphasis).

Either bait and switch or not “for rent” at all. They want your money before they even show it? Bollocks.

201 Dave In Austin  Mar 2, 2015 4:43:37am
202 Eventual Carrion  Mar 2, 2015 4:49:44am

re: #135 Kragar

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Because it will destroy the sanctity of his divorces.

203 wrenchwench  Mar 2, 2015 4:53:09am
204 Nyet  Mar 2, 2015 4:54:33am

TED allows promotion of the Shroud nonsense:
…

“Look at me, I’m Jewish and I believe in the Shroud!”

205 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 2, 2015 4:54:57am

Wonderful, there was a neo-Confederate in my Timeline.

HURR HURR THAT FLAG YOU POSTED IS TEH BATTEL FLAG!!! NOT TEH CSA NATIONAL FLAG!!!!!

So what? It’s still the flag of racism, slavery, and fucking LOSERS.

HURR HURR TEH WAR WASN’T ABOUT SLAVERY U LIBTARD!!!!

Here’s the link to the Declaration of Causes.

HURR HURR LINCOLN EVEN SAID TO TEH NEW YORK NEWSPAPERS HE WOULD END TEH WAR WITHOUT FREEING SLAVES!!!!!!

Yeah but he didn’t.

206 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 2, 2015 4:57:47am

Usually the Declaration of Causes shuts them right up, except for that idiot from last week who was all HURR HURR LIBRUL COMMUNIST COLLEGE PERFESSERS MADE THAT UP!!!!!!!

207 Tigger2  Mar 2, 2015 4:59:24am

re: #201 Dave In Austin

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That never changes.

208 Tigger2  Mar 2, 2015 5:00:37am

re: #203 wrenchwench

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That’s cute

209 wrenchwench  Mar 2, 2015 5:05:52am

One of my cousins in Kenya.

210 Romantic Heretic  Mar 2, 2015 5:10:47am

re: #107 Gus

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Monsieur Arard is, I hope, aware, that by coming to Ms. Rice’s defence he’s making the abuse worse.

Fuckin’ Commie Frog! Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey! Those are the people that bitch, and Obummer, are allied with!!1!!11

211 Romantic Heretic  Mar 2, 2015 5:12:56am

re: #111 #FergusonFireside

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Unfortunately Rabbi, we live in a society of expertise, and being an expert means a person is always correct in their opinion on a subject.

Admitting limitation is denying one’s expertise, and very identity.

212 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 2, 2015 5:14:06am
213 wrenchwench  Mar 2, 2015 5:15:10am

Nice hashtag: #SciArt

214 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 2, 2015 5:19:19am

re: #209 wrenchwench

Did he marry a local? And live close to a zebra family?

215 Nyet  Mar 2, 2015 5:22:08am

re: #209 wrenchwench

One of my cousins in Kenya.

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Nice cousin, I love the zebra pattern he wears. Who’s the guy in the car?

216 wrenchwench  Mar 2, 2015 5:28:07am

re: #214 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Did he marry a local? And live close to a zebra family?

They’re visiting Kenya, I think they live in Tanzania. Don’t know whether he married the zebra or the woman.

217 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 2, 2015 5:30:03am

In Which Ted Cruz Goes Full DARVO==>

218 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 2, 2015 5:31:20am

re: #216 wrenchwench

They’re visiting Kenya, I think they live in Tanzania. Don’t know whether he married the zebra or the woman.

Well, they’re both cute. ;-)

Where in Tan? I have two students working in Dodoma now.

219 wrenchwench  Mar 2, 2015 5:43:41am

re: #218 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Well, they’re both cute. ;-)

Where in Tan? I have two students working in Dodoma now.

They’re in Dar es Salaam, when he’s not climbing a mountain or teasing a zebra. He went to Afghanistan with AID. My most interesting cousin. And I see he got married in 2007. He may be the reason I haven’t quit Facebook.

220 Snarknado!  Mar 2, 2015 5:48:49am

re: #209 wrenchwench

Title: Photobombed by a zebra.

221 sagehen  Mar 2, 2015 5:53:23am

re: #209 wrenchwench

One of my cousins in Kenya.

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The man, the woman, or the zebra?

222 wrenchwench  Mar 2, 2015 5:57:16am

re: #221 sagehen

The man, the woman, or the zebra?

The man by blood, the woman by marriage, and the zebra by scritching.

223 Decatur Deb  Mar 2, 2015 5:58:48am

re: #216 wrenchwench

They’re visiting Kenya, I think they live in Tanzania. Don’t know whether he married the zebra or the woman.

Is that zebra black and white, or blue and gold?

(Cheesy Disney Jungle Ride routine: “Zebra—the other white meat, dark meat, white meat, dark meat, white…”)

224 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 2, 2015 6:02:22am

re: #219 wrenchwench

They’re in Dar es Salaam, when he’s not climbing a mountain or teasing a zebra. He went to Afghanistan with AID. My most interesting cousin. And I see he got married in 2007. He may be the reason I haven’t quit Facebook.

OK. The two cities are about five or six hours apart by car, so I doubt they could meet by chance. My students took a job with a Chinese firm hoping to capitalize on the sunflower seed oil business. Kind of a risky first job, since the firm has yet to produce any oil, but their salaries are much higher than what they could make as freshly minted college grads in China. And, as an added benefit, the two students (Kenneth and Laura) have become a couple. Though they are not married as yet, there’s talk of such a thing in the not too distant future.

Their English skills got them their jobs. Laura is also learning Swahili, as the de facto HR manager. But they tell me that they seldom leave the factory compound for relaxation, only for business. So, they live in a little, isolated island of China surrounded by the Tanzanian countryside. That would drive me crazy.

225 Decatur Deb  Mar 2, 2015 6:04:33am

re: #224 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

OK. The two cities are about five or six hours apart by car, so I doubt they could meet by chance. My students took a job with a Chinese firm hoping to capitalize on the sunflower seed oil business. Kind of a risky first job, since the firm has yet to produce any oil, but their salaries are much higher than what they could make as freshly minted college grads in China. And, as an added benefit, the two students (Kenneth and Laura) have become a couple. Though they are not married as yet, there’s talk of such a thing in the not too distant future.

Their English skills got them their jobs. Laura is also learning Swahili, as the de facto HR manager. But they tell me that they seldom leave the factory compound for relaxation, only for business. So, they live in a little, isolated island of China surrounded by the Tanzanian countryside. That would drive me crazy.

Recommend this book to them. It includes things like ‘How to administer a driver’s test to a local hire when you don’t share a language”.

amazon.com

226 Mattand  Mar 2, 2015 6:07:20am

re: #217 The Mother Of All Pies

In Which Ted Cruz Goes Full DARVO==>

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I said this a few months ago: my take is that the average American voter, given their collective inability and desire to keep educated about this stuff, will look at the DHS situation and go:

DURR THE REPUBLICANS GAVE OBAMA A BILL WHY WON’T HE JUST SIGN IT DURR!!!

Happy Monday!!!!

227 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 2, 2015 6:08:44am

re: #225 Decatur Deb

Recommend this book to them. It includes things like ‘How to administer a driver’s test to a local hire when you don’t share a language”.

amazon.com

I think the price makes it a no-go for them. They each make $800 a month, and send most of their pay back home to their families.

228 Decatur Deb  Mar 2, 2015 6:10:21am

re: #227 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I think the price makes it a no-go for them. They each make $800 a month, and send most of their pay back home to their families.

That’s one of those idiot 3rd-party prices. Got mine new on eBay for about 20 bucks.

229 Nyet  Mar 2, 2015 6:10:55am

re: #226 Mattand

These are mostly the same people who elected Bush and who vote for “local” Rethugs time after time. Of course they will.

230 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 2, 2015 6:11:30am

re: #228 Decatur Deb

That’s one of those idiot 3rd-party prices. Got mine new on eBay for about 20 bucks.

Got it. Kenneth has a DL now, and Laura’s getting one, so they might need a handy guide like that.

231 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 2, 2015 6:12:37am

re: #216 wrenchwench

This is from last year, so maybe you’ve seen it. But these bikes are cool.
bbc.com

232 wrenchwench  Mar 2, 2015 6:20:22am

re: #231 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

This is from last year, so maybe you’ve seen it. But these bikes are cool.
bbc.com

Nice! Thanks!

233 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 2, 2015 6:20:30am

Good morning Lizards.

Mother Nature delivered some freezing rain to Philadelphia overnight, so things are a bit rink-ish with the 1/2” of ice lying about. Local sidewalks were OK, but I haven’t even looked at my car yet. (Good thing I walk to work.)

234 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Mar 2, 2015 6:22:32am

re: #233 Feline Fearless Leader

It’s above freezing now, and winter’s grip is getting weaker. I live on the waterfront just by the Ben Franklin Bridge and the marina outside my window was frozen solid, but is now breaking up.

235 Decatur Deb  Mar 2, 2015 6:23:25am

re: #231 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

This is from last year, so maybe you’ve seen it. But these bikes are cool.
bbc.com

That ‘donkey’ bike looks like the traffic we saw in Seoul in 79-81. An important part of the country’s goods and people moved by bike. Unless China has updated a lot, you probably see the same in the back-roads.

236 Nyet  Mar 2, 2015 6:24:48am

The main witness Anna Duritskaya unfortunately didn’t manage to see anything, it happened so fast.

tvrain.ru

237 lawhawk  Mar 2, 2015 6:32:33am

Another one bites the dust.

238 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 2, 2015 6:34:07am

re: #235 Decatur Deb

That ‘donkey’ bike looks like the traffic we saw in Seoul in 79-81. An important part of the country’s goods and people moved by bike. Unless China has updated a lot, you probably see the same in the back-roads.

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Some locals have upgraded to overloading scooters and motorbikes. ;-)

239 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 2, 2015 6:34:17am
240 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 2, 2015 6:36:44am

re: #234 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

It’s above freezing now, and winter’s grip is getting weaker. I live on the waterfront just by the Ben Franklin Bridge and the marina outside my window was frozen solid, but is now breaking up.

I’ve been watching the ice accumulate and then break around the dam on the Schuylkill since it’s visible from work. That is starting to break up a little bit today.

My main worry about the weather this week is Thursday — that’s when I fly out of the airport heading for points south (N.C.)

241 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 2, 2015 6:38:01am

Ucch I just saw a Bibi/Hitler Godwin scroll by on #UniteBlue

Which proves that Libtards really do exist in the wild. :(

242 Decatur Deb  Mar 2, 2015 6:38:02am

re: #238 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Some locals have upgraded to overloading scooters and motorbikes. ;-)

There, too. The scariest was a guy in front of us who was carrying a couple hundred pounds of propane cylinders on a scooter. Somewhere he had picked up on the old notion that an enclosed flammables truck should drag a grounding chain to prevent static sparks. His “grounding” chain caught in his drive chain at about 20 mph.

243 wrenchwench  Mar 2, 2015 6:40:33am

re: #235 Decatur Deb

That ‘donkey’ bike looks like the traffic we saw in Seoul in 79-81. An important part of the country’s goods and people moved by bike. Unless China has updated a lot, you probably see the same in the back-roads.

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Piker.

244 lawhawk  Mar 2, 2015 6:40:50am

The LAPD now faces its own officer-involved shooting/excessive force incident after an eyewitness videotapes an altercation between two homeless people that escalated when police showed up. One of the two people was quickly subdued and handcuffed, but the other is seen taken to the ground with several cops involved, but moments later shots ring out, and the other person is shot (and dies at the hospital).

It’s not easy to tell from the angle of the video exactly what happens, but I’m betting that the cops will claim that the guy was going for one of the officers’ guns, and therefore was a legitimate use of force.

And, this being a couple of homeless people, the care quotient is well, down on the list, even though homeless people don’t deserve to be shot down any more than a 12 year old unarmed kid, or any other excessive force incident we’ve come to learn about.

245 Nyet  Mar 2, 2015 6:43:57am

re: #243 wrenchwench

It’s his home on wheels…

246 Decatur Deb  Mar 2, 2015 6:44:24am

re: #243 wrenchwench

Piker.

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Cheater. That’s a trike. The give-away on the b&w Korean photo is the extensive reinforcement of the front forks. That would typically be construction rebar spot-welded on one of the ‘deuce-and-a-half’ bikes.

247 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 2, 2015 6:45:33am

re: #242 Decatur Deb

There, too. The scariest was a guy in front of us who was carrying a couple hundred pounds of propane cylinders on a scooter. Somewhere he had picked up on the old notion that an enclosed flammables truck should drag a grounding chain to prevent static sparks. His “grounding” chain caught in his drive chain at about 20 mph.

Our cooking LP is typically delivered by motorcycle carrying four large bottles on the sides and at least one over the rear wheel. And these are not the squat little bottles you run your backyard gas grille on in the States, but at least triple that capacity. Mine usually lasts me 5-6 months, even with daily use of my cooker.

248 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 2, 2015 6:47:17am

I just read that the Westport Baptist ghouls were going to protest at Leonard Nimoy’s funeral, but gave up when they couldn’t find it. The family made sure it was private.
m.bbc.com

249 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 2, 2015 6:48:08am

STUPIDEST TWEET OF THE DAY
(Of course it’e early and will be superceded)

250 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 2, 2015 6:48:45am

re: #249 The Mother Of All Pies

STUPIDEST TWEET OF THE DAY
(Of course it’e early and will be superceded)

Crocodile tears from the “victims”.
//

251 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 2, 2015 6:48:57am

Oh, it’s a Ditto head. That explains Teh Stupids.

252 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 2, 2015 6:51:58am

OK no THIS IS THE STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY:
Don’t you just love it when “Christian, Conservative, Molon Labe” fuckballs tell Jews what to think

253 lawhawk  Mar 2, 2015 6:53:08am
254 Dr. Matt  Mar 2, 2015 6:57:21am
CNN’s Reliable Sources Airs New Audio Disproving O’Reilly’s JFK Story
CNN’s Brian Stelter On Higher Quality Recording Of O’Reilly Phone Call: “Clearly This Tape Shows He Was Not There”

And yet the librul MSM will continue to ignore O’Reilly’s now established history of lying.

255 Nyet  Mar 2, 2015 6:58:20am

re: #252 The Mother Of All Pies

In their professed love for Israel they’re like a creepy obsessed fan from some B-flick…

256 Decatur Deb  Mar 2, 2015 6:59:29am

re: #253 lawhawk

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Andover, NJ

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257 Nyet  Mar 2, 2015 7:00:19am

re: #255 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

In their professed love for Israel they’re like a creepy obsessed fan from some B-flick…

E.g. posting fake quotes…

258 Justanotherhuman  Mar 2, 2015 7:00:46am

RW keeps losing on this one. : ) And he gave them a week to get their shit together at the county courthouses.

US district judge strikes down Nebraska’s voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage - @LJSNebraskaNews

journalstar.com

“A U.S. district judge has struck down Nebraska’s voter approved ban on same-sex marriage, but county clerks across the state won’t be issuing marriage licenses just yet.

“Pursuant to the Memorandum and Order [54] entered this date, IT IS ORDERED that all relevant state officials are ordered to treat same-sex couples the same as different sex couples in the context of processing a marriage license or determining the rights, protections, obligations or benefits of marriage,” Judge Joseph Bataillon wrote in the order. “IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that this order will be effective on Monday, March 9, 2015, at 8:00 a.m. CDT.”

“The effective date in his order means that there will be no rush to the courthouse on Monday, avoiding administrative chaos.” More

259 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 2, 2015 7:01:25am

re: #255 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

In their professed love for Israel they’re like a creepy obsessed fan from some B-flick…

They “love Israel” because it will provide the background scenery and extras that they require for their grand Armageddon Apocalypse production.

260 Justanotherhuman  Mar 2, 2015 7:02:50am

re: #259 The Mother Of All Pies

They “love Israel” because it will provide the background scenery and extras that they require for their grand Armageddon Apocalypse production.

Yes they plainly state in their Armageddon scenario that if Jews don’t convert to Christ, they are doomed.

261 lawhawk  Mar 2, 2015 7:02:55am

Jeez, the transparent idiocy and willful blindness re: Israel, Iran, and Obama’s foreign policy is dazzling.

Take Jennifer Rubin for instance. She has access to all manner of news, and then quips that she wishes that Kerry would warn Iran for once.

Oh, he did. And let Iran know that if they don’t deal, Israel will take actions necessary to preserve its security:

“The clock is ticking,” U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry warned Iran on Friday, adding that Israel will do what is necessary to defend itself against the Islamic Republic’s nuclear program.

Speaking to reporters at a joint news conference with German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle, Kerry said that he is not optimistic that Iran’s upcoming presidential election will result in any change in the country’s nuclear ambitions.

“I do not have high expectations that the election is going to change the fundamental calculus of Iran,” Kerry said. “This is not a portfolio that is in the hands of a new president or the president; it’s in the hands of the supreme leader. And the supreme leader ultimately will make that decision, I believe.”

Kerry said the U.S. would continue to pursue a peaceful resolution to the impasse but warned that time is running out. Iran’s persistent defiance of international demands to come clean about its nuclear program makes the world more dangerous, he said.

“Iran needs to understand that the clock is ticking,” warned Kerry.

“Every month it goes by gets more dangerous. And the reality is that Israel will do what it needs to do to defend itself,” he stressed.

Seems pretty strong statement, support of Israel, and hitting Iran for not fair dealing with the six power talks on Iran’s nuclear ambitions.

[note that this is from 2013, but Rubin never time-limited her quip either]

262 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 2, 2015 7:05:44am

That Arutz 7 article is so utterly stupid, even for them (the Fox News of Israel) I’m wondering if it is a Purim prank.

263 Nyet  Mar 2, 2015 7:06:24am

I’m not sure how the wingnut mind works.

“I see this meme with Hitler’s quote from Mein Kampf mentioning Allah. I will not ask why is it that I’ve never seen it before (even though if the quote were true, it would be plastered all over the internet and quoted endlessly by Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity). I won’t ask why Hitler, who I think was an atheist, would mention Allah. I won’t ask why a German dictator, of all people, would openly profess his love of Allah. It just must be true. *retweet*”

264 Decatur Deb  Mar 2, 2015 7:07:27am

re: #262 The Mother Of All Pies

That Arutz 7 article is so utterly stupid, even for them (the Fox News of Israel) I’m wondering if it is a Purim prank.

Haven’t seen any Obama/Haman riffs yet.

265 Justanotherhuman  Mar 2, 2015 7:08:27am

Do you shop at Costco?

266 Decatur Deb  Mar 2, 2015 7:09:05am

re: #265 Justanotherhuman

Do you shop at Costco?

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I wish.

267 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 2, 2015 7:09:29am

NEW STUPIDEST TWEET OF THE DAY==>
Does nobody in Texas realize who won at The Alamo?

268 Nyet  Mar 2, 2015 7:10:05am

The fake quote is all over the lesser wingnut blogs and forums.

269 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 2, 2015 7:11:11am

re: #268 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

The fake quote is all over the lesser wingnut blogs and forums.

Every time I see a Hitler quote on the Internet, I:

1. Assume it’s fake
2. If it’s not fake, who pores through Hitler speeches looking for quotes?

270 ObserverArt  Mar 2, 2015 7:11:26am

re: #237 lawhawk

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Another one bites the dust.

Morning Lizards.

I wonder if this ruling against a voted ban will start to chip away at the Ohio Defense of Marriage Act?

271 lawhawk  Mar 2, 2015 7:11:55am

re: #265 Justanotherhuman

Yup. They ended their exclusive deal with Amex when they couldn’t get a new deal done last month. The existing Amex exclusivity ends in April 2016, and the new deal with Visa starts the next day.

Amex has been getting hammered from losing the Costco deal, and they lost an exclusive deal with JetBlue branded cards too.

Those exclusive deals/cobranded cards were a significant hit to ongoing business at Amex, and will likely fuel further job cuts at the company.

272 Dr. Matt  Mar 2, 2015 7:12:01am

re: #267 The Mother Of All Pies

NEW STUPIDEST TWEET OF THE DAY==>
Does nobody in Texas realize who won at The Alamo?

On this day in 1836 William Travis wrote from Alamo that he’d never surrender or retreat. As Gov. I’ll fight with similar tenacity. #Tcot
— Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) February 24, 2015

I’ve heard that quote before…..

…

273 Decatur Deb  Mar 2, 2015 7:12:11am

re: #268 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

The fake quote is all over the lesser wingnut blogs and forums.

Consoling thought: Perhaps there are only a couple hundred of these RWNJs, but they inhabit thousands of sites redundantly. Nah…

274 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 2, 2015 7:12:37am
275 WhatEVs  Mar 2, 2015 7:13:18am

re: #257 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

I wish they’d make up their minds. Either Hitler was a misunderstood guy, a socialist democrat or in with the Muslims.

276 Nyet  Mar 2, 2015 7:13:52am

re: #274 The Mother Of All Pies

This is in reference to Mr. Twitty’s treatment by Israeli security.

277 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 2, 2015 7:14:21am

re: #275 WhatEVs

I wish they’d make up their minds. Either Hitler was a misunderstood guy, a socialist democrat or in with the Muslims.

Also too: GUN CONTROL CAUSED TEH HOLOCAUST!11!!11!

278 Decatur Deb  Mar 2, 2015 7:14:39am

re: #275 WhatEVs

I wish they’d make up their minds. Either Hitler was a misunderstood guy, a socialist democrat or in with the Muslims.

ALL OF THE ABOVE 11!!

279 Nyet  Mar 2, 2015 7:15:34am

re: #276 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

(I should memorize this handy method of bypassing the Haaretz paywall:

haaretz.com )

280 Justanotherhuman  Mar 2, 2015 7:15:36am

She’s retiring, it’s said.

More: Sen. Mikulski, who has served in Congress longer than any other woman in US history, to announce plans at 11 am ET press conference - @NBCNews
end of alert

Get busy, Dems.

281 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 2, 2015 7:16:04am

re: #278 Decatur Deb

ALL OF THE ABOVE 11!!

Hitler was an evil shapeshifter. A sort of Evil Putty that you can make look like whatever you want it too in order to make your “point” appear valid via some sort of nebulous appeal to Evil Authority.
///

282 Dr. Matt  Mar 2, 2015 7:17:17am

re: #281 Feline Fearless Leader

Hitler was an evil shapeshifter. A sort of Evil Putty that you can make look like whatever you want it too in order to make your “point” appear valid via some sort of nebulous appeal to Evil Authority.
///

Hitler was a librul tree hugger. FACT! //

283 Decatur Deb  Mar 2, 2015 7:18:46am

re: #282 Dr. Matt

Hitler was a librul tree hugger. FACT! //

Vegetarian. Every time I fire up the Weber, I’m striking back at the Reich.

284 lawhawk  Mar 2, 2015 7:19:11am

Netanyahu’s AIPAC speech is underway, in which he’s saying that he’s got respect for President Obama and the office of the President (but I have a funny way of showing it).

And of course he’ll get a standing O talking about Jerusalem as the undivided capital of Israel.

285 Dr. Matt  Mar 2, 2015 7:19:31am

re: #283 Decatur Deb

Vegetarian. Every time I fire up the Weber, I’m striking back at the Reich.

I had beef kabobs last night for dinner…..because I’m a patriot.

286 Dr. Matt  Mar 2, 2015 7:20:42am
287 Justanotherhuman  Mar 2, 2015 7:20:51am

re: #285 Dr. Matt

I had lasagna. Because I’m a pseudo-Italian. ; )

288 Decatur Deb  Mar 2, 2015 7:21:23am

re: #287 Justanotherhuman

I had lasagna. Because I’m a pseudo-Italian. ; )

Bologna.

289 ObserverArt  Mar 2, 2015 7:21:38am

re: #263 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

I’m not sure how the wingnut mind works.

“I see this meme with Hitler’s quote from Mein Kampf mentioning Allah. I will not ask why is it that I’ve never seen it before (even though if the quote were true, it would be plastered all over the internet and quoted endlessly). I won’t ask why Hitler, who I think was an atheist, would mention Allah. I won’t ask why a German dictator, of all people, would openly profess his love of Allah. It just must be true. *retweet*”

Well there is the problem. Their minds don’t work, they just react in a programmed manner. Like a bug. And their programming is fed to them by RWNJ media. Bug marching orders.

Hitler would have loved ‘em!

290 lawhawk  Mar 2, 2015 7:22:00am
291 Justanotherhuman  Mar 2, 2015 7:22:08am

re: #288 Decatur Deb

Bologna.

And I’m full of baloney. : )

292 Nyet  Mar 2, 2015 7:22:14am

re: #283 Decatur Deb

Vegetarian. Every time I fire up the Weber, I’m striking back at the Reich.

Vegetaryan. *runs away*

293 Decatur Deb  Mar 2, 2015 7:22:54am

re: #292 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Vegetaryan. *runs away*

Keep running.

294 ObserverArt  Mar 2, 2015 7:25:23am

re: #267 The Mother Of All Pies

NEW STUPIDEST TWEET OF THE DAY==>
Does nobody in Texas realize who won at The Alamo?

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I think he is saying that if he loses the next election, the Mexicans will need to storm the Capitol building and shoot him to get him out of there.

/ or something.

(Don’t stop him…he’s rolling)

295 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 2, 2015 7:25:25am

2 FAKE QUOTES SIDE BY SIDE!

296 lawhawk  Mar 2, 2015 7:26:34am

re: #295 The Mother Of All Pies

The needs of the many…

Outweigh the needs of the few.

Or the one.

-Spock. ST 2: The Wrath of Khan.

297 Jenner7  Mar 2, 2015 7:29:13am

Just curious. Was there any other time where a foreign leader went to Congress behind the President’s back to undermine his foreign policy??

298 b_sharp  Mar 2, 2015 7:29:51am

re: #296 lawhawk

The needs of the many…

Outweigh the needs of the few.

Or the one.

-Spock. ST 2: The Wrath of Khan.

Isn’t that the premise behind the military?

299 Nyet  Mar 2, 2015 7:29:56am

re: #295 The Mother Of All Pies

The first one may even be authentic, for all I know, but the second one I could only trace to the wingnut sources. I think it was probably made up by Neal Boortz.

300 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 2, 2015 7:30:48am
301 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 2, 2015 7:31:41am

re: #299 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

The first one may even be authentic, for all I know, but the second one I could only trace to the wingnut sources. I think it was probably made up by Neal Boortz.

There is another alleged “Hillary” quote that can only be found at the usual wingnut sites: “We are going to take things away from you for the common good.”

302 Decatur Deb  Mar 2, 2015 7:31:54am

re: #298 b_sharp

Isn’t that the premise behind the military?

“I regret that I have but one life so fuck you, country”.

303 ObserverArt  Mar 2, 2015 7:32:21am

re: #295 The Mother Of All Pies

2 FAKE QUOTES SIDE BY SIDE!

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Whoa…check out her page. Wolves and the Stars and Stripes!

She is one to be wary of. Especially howling at night.

304 Justanotherhuman  Mar 2, 2015 7:33:09am

Not again…

What is that, the 3rd or 4th time in a couple of weeks?

305 Nyet  Mar 2, 2015 7:33:26am

Einstein said it best.

Image: TheHipEinie_zpsbc3f11d9.png

306 Nyet  Mar 2, 2015 7:36:05am

Snopes is on it: Hillary or Karl?

307 Decatur Deb  Mar 2, 2015 7:39:22am

re: #297 Jenner7

Just curious. Was there any other time where a foreign leader went to Congress behind the President’s back to undermine his foreign policy??

Seeing a lot of “Netanyahu, the Churchill of our times” shtick. Might find some shenanigans in his post-war drumbeating about anticolonialism and the Iron Curtain push.

308 Nyet  Mar 2, 2015 7:39:41am

That said, liberals also post dodgy quotes sometimes. Like that one about “the man of one book”, ascribed to Aquinas.

309 Justanotherhuman  Mar 2, 2015 7:40:13am

What meddlesome bubble is this?

Nasdaq composite index hits 5,000 for first time since 2000, the height of the dot-com bubble - @business
read more on bloomberg.com

Maybe it’s just that the economy is strong?

310 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 2, 2015 7:47:31am

re: #308 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

That said, liberals also post dodgy quotes sometimes. Like that one about “the man of one book”, ascribed to Aquinas.

If I call out a liberal on a Fake Quote they are usually “Oh I did not know that! I will remove this meme” but if I call out a conservative they just double down SO WHAT IF JEFFERSON NEVER SAID IT, IT STILL TEH TROOFS!!!11!!!

311 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mar 2, 2015 7:50:07am

re: #292 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Vegetaryan. *runs away*

Thanks, folks, I’m here all week. Try the tofu.

312 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 2, 2015 7:50:21am

How many billionaires has Elizabeth Warren guillotined?

313 Decatur Deb  Mar 2, 2015 7:51:06am

re: #312 The Mother Of All Pies

He says that like it’s a bad thing.

314 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 2, 2015 7:54:43am

aaaaaaaaarrrrrggggggg:

315 Justanotherhuman  Mar 2, 2015 7:56:01am

re: #311 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Haha, they had a story on the morning local news about those powdered supplements that you mix up in a blender. They’re not approved by the FDA, but people are still using them, a new “trend” I suppose. They provide no fiber like vegs or fruits would, so what’s the point?

But there’s some kind of snake oil for everyone, I suppose.

316 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 2, 2015 7:58:50am

re: #315 Justanotherhuman

Haha, they had a story on the morning local news about those powdered supplements that you mix up in a blender. They’re not approved by the FDA, but people are still using them, a new “trend” I suppose. They provide no fiber like vegs or fruits would, so what’s the point?

The point is MOAR MONEYS FOR TEH SUPPLEMENT MAKERS!!!!!1!!!!!

317 ObserverArt  Mar 2, 2015 8:03:23am

re: #314 Backwoods_Sleuth

aaaaaaaaarrrrrggggggg:

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Hang in there Sleuth…the warming is coming. Problem is the transitional period can be real sloppy! Long range past Thursday looks promising.

318 Iwouldprefernotto  Mar 2, 2015 8:05:54am

re: #312 The Mother Of All Pies

How many billionaires has Elizabeth Warren guillotined?

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She is not angry enough.

319 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 2, 2015 8:06:31am

#tcot is utterly losing their shit this morning (because it is a day ending in day!) over the fake Arutz 7 story.

320 Justanotherhuman  Mar 2, 2015 8:07:32am

Can you imagine being drunk and going up and down that ladder? And the smell after being cooped up in there for any length of time? Ecccchhh.

Mysterious Toronto bunker built as ‘man cave’

ctvnews.ca

Stick to your basement…

321 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 2, 2015 8:09:44am

re: #317 ObserverArt

Hang in there Sleuth…the warming is coming. Problem is the transitional period can be real sloppy! Long range past Thursday looks promising.

There’s also snow and sleet in the forecast for Wednesday. And Thursday night’s low is supposed to be -2F.

blech…

322 Justanotherhuman  Mar 2, 2015 8:10:00am

In what else is new? dept…

Record number of billionaires join Forbes list in 2015, new high of 197 women join ranks - @NBCNews

nbcnews.com

323 Timothy Watson  Mar 2, 2015 8:10:12am

re: #257 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

E.g. posting fake quotes…

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I guess it’s pointless to point out that the Lehi tried to form an alliance with fascist Italy and Nazi Germany during World War II?

324 Nyet  Mar 2, 2015 8:12:10am

re: #323 Timothy Watson

BUT THE MUFTI!

325 lawhawk  Mar 2, 2015 8:12:21am
326 Justanotherhuman  Mar 2, 2015 8:13:39am

re: #321 Backwoods_Sleuth

There’s also snow and sleet in the forecast for Wednesday. And Thursday night’s low is supposed to be -2F.

blech…

Yeah, hang on…

Sun is out here, with a prediction of 63. Wed is going to be 73 or so, then back to the 40s and rain throughout the week. Weekend looks promising and perhaps back to the low 60s for highs next week. Keeping fingers crossed…

327 CuriousLurker  Mar 2, 2015 8:15:32am

OT Drive-by: I’m just gonna leave this here in case anyone’s interested. Agree with it or not, this is what I’ve been getting at since Wood’s article came out. Manic Monday, so it’s back to work for me now…

The Phony Islam of ISIS
The group’s interpretation of the religion is not literal. It is not serious. And saying otherwise puts Muslims in an impossible situation.

Following the publication of his Atlantic cover story, “What ISIS Really Wants,” Graeme Wood has challenged critics who claim that he misrepresented Islamic belief, noting, “It’s instructive to see how responses to my piece reckon with or ignore this line: ‘Muslims can reject the Islamic State; nearly all do.’” But Wood’s entire essay implies that such a rejection of ISIS by other Muslims can only be hypocritical or naive, and that ISIS members and supporters follow the texts of Islam as faithfully and seriously as anyone.

The main expert in Wood’s article is Princeton University professor Bernard Haykel, who “regards the claim that the Islamic State has distorted the texts of Islam as preposterous, sustainable only through willful ignorance. … In Haykel’s estimation, the fighters of the Islamic State are authentic throwbacks to early Islam and are faithfully reproducing its norms of war.”

Put another way: Not only are Muslims wrong that ISIS is distorting Islamic texts, but the very idea is preposterous. ISIS is faithfully following Islamic norms of war. All of this might lead a thoughtful reader to wonder what all the other Muslims are doing. […]

theatlantic.com

328 Decatur Deb  Mar 2, 2015 8:18:51am

re: #320 Justanotherhuman

Can you imagine being drunk and going up and down that ladder? And the smell after being cooped up in there for any length of time? Ecccchhh.

Mysterious Toronto bunker built as ‘man cave’

ctvnews.ca

Stick to your basement…

As someone said in the comments, it would have collapsed in short order. The cops possibly saved their lives.

329 Mattand  Mar 2, 2015 8:23:07am

re: #234 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

It’s above freezing now, and winter’s grip is getting weaker. I live on the waterfront just by the Ben Franklin Bridge and the marina outside my window was frozen solid, but is now breaking up.

I saw the one marina by the bridge when I was on the train last week. I was wondering if some of the boats docked there are going to have hull problems, as they were pretty much locked in by the ice.

330 Mattand  Mar 2, 2015 8:26:36am

re: #284 lawhawk

Netanyahu’s AIPAC speech is underway, in which he’s saying that he’s got respect for President Obama and the office of the President (but I have a funny way of showing it).

And of course he’ll get a standing O talking about Jerusalem as the undivided capital of Israel.

I always wonder if people like Netanyahu get that for a lot of conservatives/Republicans, the only reason they love Israel so much is that it’s Ground Zero for all the Revelations horseshit they believe.

331 Ace-o-aces  Mar 2, 2015 8:30:20am

re: #261 lawhawk

Take Jennifer Rubin for instance. She has access to all manner of news, and then quips that she wishes that Kerry would warn Iran for once.

Oh, he did. And let Iran know that if they don’t deal, Israel will take actions necessary to preserve its security:

Rubin couldn’t tell you what the weather is outside if it’s not mentioned in daily RNC talking points memo.

332 lawhawk  Mar 2, 2015 8:30:55am

re: #330 Mattand

I always wonder if people like Netanyahu get that for a lot of conservatives/Republicans, the only reason they love Israel so much is that it’s Ground Zero for all the Revelations horseshit they believe.

He understands it, probably better than many. But he’s taking their support so as to secure further funding/support in Congress for Israel, even if it’s all to further an agenda that is antithetical to Israel’s long term existence.

Israelis will take the support where they can, holding their noses knowing that these folks see Israel as a pawn in a religious belief system that requires Israel’s destruction in the end for fulfillment of that religious belief system.

333 Nyet  Mar 2, 2015 8:31:21am

re: #327 CuriousLurker

All of this might lead a thoughtful reader to wonder what all the other Muslims are doing.

Other Muslims are interpreting the texts differently. That’s all. That doesn’t make ISIS’ Islam “phony”, as if there was some objective way to establish “one true Islam”. That was actually Haykel’s point: Islam is not some sort of a monolith.

I would argue that some Christians’ or Jews’ understanding of their scriptures are closer to the “original intent of the authors” than of some other Christians/Jews, but that would in no sense mean that their understanding is more valid.

334 Dr. Matt  Mar 2, 2015 8:32:32am

re: #330 Mattand

I always wonder if people like Netanyahu get that for a lot of conservatives/Republicans, the only reason they love Israel so much is that it’s Ground Zero for all the Revelations horseshit they believe.

That, and Israel spends a lot of time and (our) money killing brown people.

335 Nyet  Mar 2, 2015 8:33:52am
Over the centuries, jurists and theologians of every stripe, Sunni and Shiite, have devised rational, systematic methods for sifting through 𞉚dīth, which are often difficult to understand or seem to say contrary things about the same questions. They have ranked and classified these texts according to how reliable they are, and have used them accordingly in law and theology. But ISIS does not do this. Its members search for text snippets that support their argument, claim that these fragments are reliable even if they are not, and disregard all contrary evidence—not to mention Islam’s vast and varied intellectual and legal tradition.

In other words, what the Protestants did.

336 Ace-o-aces  Mar 2, 2015 8:35:53am
337 Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 2, 2015 8:36:56am

re: #142 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

It is, and he highlights the root causes of plagiarism — under-prepared students, lack of instruction and counseling at their institutions, and indifference by instructors.

Some universities have a turnitin.com account, and every student has to submit their papers in electronic form, which the profs (or graduate assistants) run through Turnitin. If it passed muster, they’ll read the paper and grade it.

I’ve grown so accustomed to the educational climate in China that I assume a student has plagiarized his/her paper, and then will be pleasantly surprised when it’s original. Most of the problem here comes from lack of practice in writing research papers. Kids in China never have this kind of assignment till they reach university, and once at uni, are given next to no instruction on how to do it. I taught two terms of academic writing. It was a nightmare, believe me.

Guilford College is adamant about promoting academic writing. I had multiple papers for almost every class outside of chemistry and calculus.

In my case, I know my writing style is distinctive enough that any prof would likely catch on quickly if I did atually want to plagerize or write for another student.

As it is, I take considerable pride in my papers and I never felt the need to cheat.

338 Mattand  Mar 2, 2015 8:38:22am

re: #336 Ace-o-aces

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CCJ is going to expect the programmer to pay him 99¢ per line of code, just to make sure it’s real.

339 lawhawk  Mar 2, 2015 8:39:26am

re: #336 Ace-o-aces

Wait. Wut? Does this nitwit not realize that there are software programs and free websites that do precisely that? They have varying levels of sophistication as well - from checking entire documents to cut/paste of individual sentences or phrases/paragraphs.

340 Justanotherhuman  Mar 2, 2015 8:40:28am

re: #325 lawhawk

In NC, making $13-14/hr is way too much to get any benefits, unless you have a lot of kids. That’s pretty much an average wage for experienced clerical workers in the Charlotte area, although some make less. $16/hr would be around $2800/mo before taxes, or $33K/yr, around the Federal poverty level for a family of 6. So, some of those parents are probably already over eligibility for some programs if they only have 2 or 3 kids, although I know that the cost of living in some locations figures in. healthcare.gov

At $9/hr w/one child, my grandson was ineligible for food stamps, but does get Medicaid coverage for his child but not himself, under a special state program extending Medicaid to kids of working parents with low incomes. So, he runs about $3-4K over the poverty level. Ironically, he works for a company that owns nursing homes and delivers drugs to them through the same company that owns the pharmacy. So it’s all Federal money coming in for the owner of the businesses because he sells his Rxs to his own facilities and collects Medicare and Medicaid payments for both.

But this is good news for those employees, and let’s hope other companies follow suit and pay a wage that will enable people to support themselves and get ahead.

341 lawhawk  Mar 2, 2015 8:40:39am

re: #333 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Splitter!!!! /

342 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Mar 2, 2015 8:46:04am

re: #329 Mattand

I saw the one marina by the bridge when I was on the train last week. I was wondering if some of the boats docked there are going to have hull problems, as they were pretty much locked in by the ice.

I’m on the southern side facing the other way. None of the boats on my side had any trouble this year, but the last time it got cold (in 1994) one of them did sink. Usually the marina has some agitation system to reduce the ice formation around the boats but I don’t know what happened this year.
The boats in these marinas do have a different problem: they’re trapped by mud. The marinas need dredging but the project keeps getting pushed back because they can’t find a home for the spoils (the stuff that gets dredged up). At low tide many of the boats are sitting on the riverbed.

343 Great White Snark  Mar 2, 2015 8:46:29am

re: #333 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

re: #327 CuriousLurker

Caveat-I Only read the quote above. But this argument about whether Daesh is faithful to old Islam or not at all really misses a point. Apart from a few fanatics, orthodox jews don’t act on the ancient laws as per slavery, killing family members for certain sins etc.

Seems to me we have the same obvious thing in Islam. Few Muslims want to go by the centuries old ways. That’s one salient difference.

And all this to stake out whether calling these guys Islamic un islamic is a positive or negative thing. Seems to me the effort to keep the 99%+ of Muslims that want nothing to do with the ways of Daesh firmly separated in our minds can use all the help it can get.

If a Christian or Jewish sect sprung up that was as powerful, violent and apocalyptic in both mindset and deed, would we look askance at our fellow jew or Christian? Not here in the states we would not.

To me the point is not how Islamic or unislamic these guys are. The point is how destructive they are. What is their method of destruction and oppression? Past that who cares apart from religious academics and perhaps some psychiatrists that research human aggression?

These guys think they have a playbook for ruination and the end of the world. Would it be so different if the playbook had a secular origin?

There is a task ahead that needs doing regardless of exactly how these guys justify themselves and recruit and propagandize.

344 Nyet  Mar 2, 2015 8:52:54am

It is clear from the historical point of view that the authors who wrote Genesis had no idea about evolution, believed in special creation, global flood and so on. It was a typical example of the ancient Near-Eastern literature, with some pieces taken more or less wholesale from some older stories (Gilgamesh). Yes, people in those days believed in such things literally.

This does mean that, seen historically, a literal interpetation of Genesis (insofar as it is possible, for the book contradicts itself) corresponds closer to the “original intent” of the authors than that of the modern liberal Christians.

But this in no way means that such a religious interpretation is more valid than any other. Because the assumption that “the closer to the historical understanding, the more valid” is in itself value-laden and non-neutral. By accepting it we are already taking a side. Which is why an outsider can point out what is more historically plausible/original, but the outsider has no method whatsoever to judge which interpretation is more valid religiously, because religion has very different axioms, which do not necessarily correspond to the secular history, science or philosophy. IOW, an outsider cannot dictate to a given group what they “should” believe to belong to the group. [This is of course a bit more complex than that, because in order to even begin to speak about the groups, we must have some very basic definitions - e.g. what is “Christianity” - and this would also mean specifying some groups as non-Christian. Such is the nature of all basic definitions. But that is a separate, more complex issue.]

If the Torah says A, and the Talmud says “Well, actually B”, it is useless for an outsider to say: “Well, the Torah has the priority” (and therefore the Karaites are right, and if anything apparently contradicts the Torah in our limited understanding, this must be rejected) or “the Talmud has the priority” (and therefore the Orthodox Jews are right, and the millenia-old rabbinical tradition cannot be ignored). Such matters are not decided on a rationalist basis. They depend on the basic axioms of a given sect. Which also means there is no sense in asking “Who is more correct, Protestants or Catholics?” or “Which is more correct, the traditional mainstream interpretations or ISIS’ alleged innovations?”. Unless one belongs to one of those groups and shares the basic axioms with them.

345 Justanotherhuman  Mar 2, 2015 8:53:09am

This smells like a set-up.

Suspects sought in robbery of truck carrying $4 million worth of silver and gold in Wilson County, NC - @ABC11_WTVD

abc11.com

Funny that the robbers just appeared when the truck was having “mechanical trouble” and stopped along the Interstate.

346 lawhawk  Mar 2, 2015 8:56:21am

Because tracking down these kinds of statistics is tough, the fact that this group was able to not only do so, but map where and when these officer involved killings occurred is a significant step forward.

347 Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 2, 2015 9:00:30am

re: #312 The Mother Of All Pies

How many billionaires has Elizabeth Warren guillotined?

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Elizabeth Warren is totally a sans-culotte revolutionary. Her articles in L’Ami du peuple and Le Père Duchesne yesterday called for another uprising on the assembly. Mme Roland, Danton and St-Just are meeting with her and Robespierre tonight in the Jacobin Club.

Get your pikes, brave sans-culottes! Take the bastards to Revolution Square to be shaved by the Republican Razor!

Well, not really…

348 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 2, 2015 9:05:58am

re: #347 Aunty Entity Dragon

I’d settle for some Democratic malletons.

349 Ace-o-aces  Mar 2, 2015 9:06:15am

re: #339 lawhawk

Wait. Wut? Does this nitwit not realize that there are software programs and free websites that do precisely that?

Yeah, there are some very sophisticated pieces of software to do what CCJ thinks he can get some interns to do for free on the side.

350 Decatur Deb  Mar 2, 2015 9:08:50am

re: #348 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I’d settle for some Democratic malletons.

Mmmm. Crayfish Thermidor.

351 Ace-o-aces  Mar 2, 2015 9:09:03am
352 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 2, 2015 9:09:15am

re: #349 Ace-o-aces

Yeah, there are some very sophisticated pieces of software to do what CCJ thinks he can get some interns to do for free on the side.

Took me thirty seconds to find ten free plagiarism detection software applications.

353 Justanotherhuman  Mar 2, 2015 9:09:53am

NASA briefing to discuss the March 6 arrival of the agency’s Dawn spacecraft at the dwarf planet Ceres.

nbcnews.com

354 Justanotherhuman  Mar 2, 2015 9:11:39am

re: #353 Justanotherhuman

NASA briefing to discuss the March 6 arrival of the agency’s Dawn spacecraft at the dwarf planet Ceres.

nbcnews.com

Well, damn, is it already over?

355 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 2, 2015 9:13:40am

re: #354 Justanotherhuman

Well, damn, is it already over?

Started at 9. Here’s NASA’s UStream channel.

356 Justanotherhuman  Mar 2, 2015 9:13:49am

Palestinians to file ICC case against Israel in April: PLO

english.alarabiya.net

The Palestinians are to lodge their first complaint against Israel for alleged war crimes at the International Criminal Court on April 1, a senior official told AFP on Monday.

“One of the first important steps will be filing a complaint against Israel at the ICC on April 1 over the (2014) Gaza war and settlement activity,” said Mohammad Shtayyeh, a member of the executive committee of the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO).

(snip)

“Israel reacted furiously, and quickly moved to cut off millions of dollars in monthly tax payments it collects on behalf of the Ramallah-based Palestinian Authority, exacerbating an already severe financial crisis.” More

357 Nyet  Mar 2, 2015 9:16:55am

re: #356 Justanotherhuman

358 Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 2, 2015 9:19:19am

re: #350 Decatur Deb

Mmmm. Crayfish Thermidor.

Happy 12 Ventose, Lizards! The Revolutionary plant of the day is the Elm tree.
en.wikipedia.org
windhorst.org

359 Justanotherhuman  Mar 2, 2015 9:21:00am

Hmm. These are not “secret Snowden documents” but belong to the US. He stole them.

360 Stephen T.  Mar 2, 2015 9:23:12am

re: #305 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Einstein said it best.

Image: TheHipEinie_zpsbc3f11d9.png

My favorite Albert Einstein quote isn’t even fake:

When I die, if the word ‘thong’ appears in the first or second sentence of my obituary, I’ve screwed up.

Of course, you probably know this Albert Einstein by a different name. You probably know him as Albert Brooks.

361 Nyet  Mar 2, 2015 9:25:33am

One more thing. As a Protestant - and a very liberal Protestant at that - Obama is of necessity rejecting the centuries of traditional Christian teachings developed first within the “united” Church, and then within the Western, i.e. Catholic Church by the so-called Church Fathers and later theologians. And of course we would rightly scoff at those who would call his Christianity “phony” on this basis.

362 Decatur Deb  Mar 2, 2015 9:25:35am

re: #358 Aunty Entity Dragon

Happy 12 Ventose, Lizards! The Revolutionary plant of the day is the Elm tree.
en.wikipedia.org
windhorst.org

Don’t tell Sergey. He’ll go on about the Parisian Spring.

363 b.d.  Mar 2, 2015 9:25:42am

re: #359 Justanotherhuman

Hmm. These are not “secret Snowden documents” but belong to the US. He stole them.

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Now Greenwald is bitching because a government can’t get around to reading your emails?

364 lawhawk  Mar 2, 2015 9:26:16am

re: #359 Justanotherhuman

365 Justanotherhuman  Mar 2, 2015 9:29:55am

re: #364 lawhawk

Gawd, those assholes are so smug and confiscatory. : )

I’m not a violent person, but I think if I ever ran into GG, I’d slap his greedy, dishonest face. : )

366 CuriousLurker  Mar 2, 2015 9:30:18am

re: #333 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

re: #335 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

re: #344 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

You’re applying a secular/scientific type analysis to religion. As I’ve stated several times before, making those types of arguments is never going to work, in either direction. Daesh is primarily a threat to fellow Muslims (and any non-Muslims that might get in their path). The West is clutching its pearls as if people are going to wake up tomorrow and find a jihadi hiding in their closet or under their bed. That’s not going to happen.

That said, Daesh (and groups like it) will continue to be a threat as long as people refuse to understand them in an Islamic context and instead try to do some sort of clinical analysis that is completely detached from any understanding of Islam or Muslims. Not only will continuing on that path not work, it will eventually alienate the Muslim citizens who could be useful in counteracting extremist ideas. I don’t know why this is so difficult to understand. It’s like a weird kind of blind spot.

We (Muslims) thoroughly understand the Western context because we live in (and many of us were raised in) a secular, diverse Western society. Additionally, most converts were either raised in or have family members who still participate in different religious traditions (Christianity,, Judaism, etc.) We also understand Islam, obviously because we’re Muslims.

IOW, you’re not talking to people who don’t understand the context of the Western secular tradition and the application of scientific/critical thinking, but when we try to get you to understand where (some) Muslims are coming from in an Islamic context, you refuse to accept it. No one is asking you to accept it as in believe it, we’re asking you to accept that in order to properly understand the context you need to accept that it’s part of what Muslims believe. If you (collectively) can’t do that, then you’ll never rid yourselves of the extremist scourge.

367 Nyet  Mar 2, 2015 9:36:31am

re: #366 CuriousLurker

The utilitarian concerns are simply a separate matter. Yes, of course, the mainstream Islamic groups should be supported over ISIS (and in their fight with ISIS). That’s very different from trying to make non-Muslims to declare ISIS theologically incorrect or illegitimate - which non-Muslims cannot do by def, even if they believe that they can (sorry Obama).

368 CuriousLurker  Mar 2, 2015 9:36:35am

re: #343 Great White Snark

I agree with some of your points, but I’m working right now and can’t really address all of them, though my #366 response to Segrey may go some way towards that. You really owe it to yourself to read the entire article, and especially try to understand this part (emphasis mine):

The first thing I teach my undergraduates is that the English word “Islam” has two distinct but related meanings: the “Islam” that corresponds to Christendom (the civilization) and the “Islam” that corresponds to Christianity (the religion). The result is that the term “Islamic” has two separate but related uses, as does “un-Islamic.”

In his article and elsewhere, Wood has challenged the claim by Muslims that ISIS is un-Islamic by pointing out that ISIS members are self-identified Muslims. But Muslims who say “ISIS is un-Islamic” are not saying that ISIS fighters are not Muslims at all. They are calling ISIS “un-Islamic” the way a politician might call bigotry “un-American.” In fact, a prominent expert on ISIS has noted, “I would be curious to know how many Muslims are willing to declare the members of [ISIS] non-Muslim,” adding, “I bet you there are very, very few people.” That expert is Bernard Haykel.

Gotta run, phone’s ringing… BBL

369 Justanotherhuman  Mar 2, 2015 9:38:35am

Imagine a house in the US being in a family for 200 yrs. There are hundreds of these, and while they’re trying to find the family, they also have historical value.

Wartime pictures discovered in Somerset loft

bbc.com

According to a woman whose family owns the house, it was “let” (rented) for about 100 yrs.

370 CuriousLurker  Mar 2, 2015 9:41:17am

re: #367 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

The utilitarian concerns are simply a separate matter. Yes, of course, the mainstream Islamic groups should be supported over ISIS (and in their fight with ISIS). That’s very different from trying non-Muslims to declare ISIS theologically incorrect or illegitimate - which non-Muslims cannot do by def, even if they try (sorry Obama).

Then why is it accepted for a non-Muslim to assert ISIS is theologically legitimate?? Because that’s exactly what Wood did and it was the thing that was my gripe from the very beginning. That’s been my whole point all along.

371 CuriousLurker  Mar 2, 2015 9:41:55am

Argh, I can’t think/type and talk on the phone at the same time. BBL

372 lawhawk  Mar 2, 2015 9:42:16am

If there’s a deal with Iran to make Iran’s nuclear ambitions more transparent, this takes the teeth out of Netanyahu’s sole issue on which he’s campaigning - Iran.

Iran has been Netanyahu’s bogeyman for 20+ years, and he’s always claiming that Iran is just a few years away from going nuclear. At some point, that might actually turn out to be true. But I don’t see how Netanyahu’s actions aren’t going to prevent that from happening.

And even the US Government has let Iran know that if Iran intends to go nuclear, that other countries in the region, especially Israel, will take actions to defend themselves against that potential threat.

373 Nyet  Mar 2, 2015 9:43:08am

re: #370 CuriousLurker

Then why is it accepted for a non-Muslim to assert ISIS is theologically legitimate?? Because that’s exactly what Wood did and it was the thing that was my gripe from the very beginning. That’s been my whole point all along.

Because if none of them are theologically illegitimate, then all of them are of the same theological legitimacy (or illegitimacy, however one wants to formulate it) to an outside observer.

374 Justanotherhuman  Mar 2, 2015 9:49:11am

Boris Nemtsov murder: Girlfriend still held by police

bbc.com

375 Dr. Matt  Mar 2, 2015 9:52:17am

re: #374 Justanotherhuman

Boris Nemtsov murder: Girlfriend still held by police

bbc.com

Hubba hubba

376 darthstar  Mar 2, 2015 9:53:34am

I listened to Bibi’s red meat buffet of a speech this morning - a few things struck me:
1. Referring to Israel as a beacon of light in a dark corner - he labeled not just Iran, but all of his Arab neighbors as Israel’s (and the US’s because family) enemy.

2. His review of Israel’s actions where they ignored the wishes of the USA and acted unilaterally - and he used these examples (statehood in 1948, war in 1967) to illustrate that the US would eventually stand by them if they went rogue again.

These are not the words of a man who is interested in peaceful resolution. He’s running out of time to be an agent of change to the landscape of the Middle East. And he knows it.

377 Decatur Deb  Mar 2, 2015 9:55:24am

re: #372 lawhawk

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If there’s a deal with Iran to make Iran’s nuclear ambitions more transparent, this takes the teeth out of Netanyahu’s sole issue on which he’s campaigning - Iran.

Iran has been Netanyahu’s bogeyman for 20+ years, and he’s always claiming that Iran is just a few years away from going nuclear. At some point, that might actually turn out to be true. But I don’t see how Netanyahu’s actions aren’t going to prevent that from happening.

And even the US Government has let Iran know that if Iran intends to go nuclear, that other countries in the region, especially Israel, will take actions to defend themselves against that potential threat.

The focus on Iranian warhead research has always seemed strange. Why should Iran undertake a tedious do-it-yourself project when it can buy a few retail?

378 Tigger2  Mar 2, 2015 9:56:12am

re: #249 The Mother Of All Pies

STUPIDEST TWEET OF THE DAY
(Of course it’e early and will be superceded)

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No I’m not against Jews. but I’m an Americans first.

379 Nyet  Mar 2, 2015 9:58:16am

I usually find Mormonism as a useful model for how religions are born, develop, etc. because it’s so thoroughly documented.

We know that alongside the LDS Church there are numerous other groups - RLDS and a host of tinier ones - all of whom claim the mantle of “one true Church”. (Though recently RLDS was liberalizing itself to the point where it probably no longer makes such a claim - but historically it did).

They all have their own Prophets, Apostles etc., with the claims of “legitimacy”.

There are groups among the so-called Mormon fundamentalists that we, as a modern society, wouldn’t want to be around, like the polygamist groups where abuse is rampant (incl. pedophilia).

From the utilitarian point of view we should “support” the mainstream Mormons (or however they call themselves) over such anti-social groups. (We may have different opinions on whether it’s good or not to accept the tenets of Mormonism, but as long as people will believe in these tenets, it is better for us that they accept the more moderate versions.)

But would it make sense to claim that some smaller sect - e.g. the one that rejects Brigham Young as a prophet (RLDS), or the one that rejected Smith as a fallen prophet, but still accepted the Book of Mormon (Rigdonites), or any of the groups with new “Scriptures” on top of the LDS ones (Strangites and a host of more modern “Prophets” with their new books), or any so-called fundamentalist groups that accept Brigham Young and follow his teaching while rejecting the current hierarchy - is theologically more or less legitimate than the LDS Church? Not at all. We may think of the LDS missionaries, for example, as the epitome of a Mormon, but, social stereotypes aside, we are simply unable to be the judges of the theological legitimacy because we don’t accept the basic premises of Mormonism.

380 Teukka  Mar 2, 2015 9:59:33am

re: #377 Decatur Deb

The focus on Iranian warhead research has always seemed strange. Why should Iran undertake a tedious do-it-yourself project when it can buy a few retail?

Yeah, in my opinion it is plausible that Iran’s enrichment program is nothing but an attempt at diversifying so that they don’t rely solely on oil for income, IIRC Iran has Uranium or deposits it is using for the current program.

And if so, what would be needed are transparency initiatives for enrichment which apply to all in the Uranium enrichment business.

381 Dave In Austin  Mar 2, 2015 10:02:01am

Looks like MSNBC has changed formats today. Ronan and Joy Reid are out. Thomas Robert has 2 hrs now.

382 Justanotherhuman  Mar 2, 2015 10:04:23am

ISIS threatening Twitter and its employees because of shut downs of ISIS accts?

yahoo.com

Now, if Twitter would just shut down Upchuck…

383 Justanotherhuman  Mar 2, 2015 10:05:26am

re: #376 darthstar

These are not the words of a man who is interested in peaceful resolution. He’s running out of time to be an agent of change to the landscape of the Middle East. And he knows it.

Yikes, I first read “landscape” as “moonscape”.

384 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 2, 2015 10:07:57am

Well I am planning a trip to Israel in one month and I would like to have an enjoyable vacation and return home alive in one piece.

385 Justanotherhuman  Mar 2, 2015 10:10:19am

re: #381 Dave In Austin

Looks like MSNBC has changed formats today. Ronan and Joy Reid are out. Thomas Robert has 2 hrs now.

Lots of “unacceptable” stuff happening today. As it does every day.

386 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 2, 2015 10:11:24am

Somebody tell Greg Abbott that Texas is not an independent country, even though it tried to be, twice.

387 Dr. Matt  Mar 2, 2015 10:13:11am

re: #386 The Mother Of All Pies

Somebody tell Greg Abbott that Texas is not an independent country, even though it tried to be, twice.

Waaah, poor Texans….they are soooooo oppressed by the evil Blah man.

388 CuriousLurker  Mar 2, 2015 10:15:54am

re: #373 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Because if none of them are theologically illegitimate, then all of them are of the same theological legitimacy (or illegitimacy, however one wants to formulate it) to an outside observer.

All I can say in response to that is that the last three paragraphs of the article hit the nail exactly on the head for me, especially this part:

In my experience, many Muslims are upset by articles like this not because their feelings are hurt, but because such arguments fill them with dread. They worry about what might happen to a religious or ethnic group that policymakers or the public believe to be intrinsically and uniquely dangerous.

…if one relies on Wood and Haykel, and believes that the horrors perpetrated by ISIS are “plainly” in Islam’s sacred texts and that it is “preposterous” to argue that these texts are being distorted, then the notion that a faithful Muslim could be critiquing ISIS in a moral and rational fashion is discarded. He can only be a sympathizer, a hypocrite, or a dupe who is ignorant of the requirements of his own faith. Wood’s essay leaves readers with a gnawing fear that the majority of Muslims might wake up tomorrow and start taking their texts “seriously.” […]

You & I may be following up on the discussion of this and the articles written in response to it, but I seriously doubt most people will because the first article confirmed their fears/suspicions. The takeaway (for the casual reader) is Gelleresque, but with an intellectual veneer. If I knew that every person who read it was going to ponder it, discuss it, pick it apart the way you do, etc. then I wouldn’t be worried. Unfortunately, that’s not the case.

I don’t know how I can make myself any clearer.

389 Justanotherhuman  Mar 2, 2015 10:20:20am

In op-ed, US Attorney General Eric Holder says Justice Department will file a brief arguing ‘state bans on same-sex marriage violate the fundamental constitutional guarantee of “equal protection of the laws”’ - @USATODAY

usatoday.com

390 D_Red  Mar 2, 2015 10:21:31am

The only reason Texas was ever an independent country is that their first application for annexation by the United States was rejected.

391 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 2, 2015 10:22:20am

re: #386 The Mother Of All Pies

Somebody tell Greg Abbott that Texas is not an independent country, even though it tried to be, twice.

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We won’t mention the fact that they are more interested in being the oppressors either…

392 Justanotherhuman  Mar 2, 2015 10:22:33am

Zing!

White House press secretary says Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu ‘has not laid out that strategy’ to stop Iran from obtaining nuclear capability - @peterbakernyt
see original on twitter.com

393 Romantic Heretic  Mar 2, 2015 10:23:11am

re: #256 Decatur Deb

Andover, NJ

Embedded Image

en.wikipedia.org

flashbak.com

My thought on seeing that picture? “Nice of them to bunch up like that.”

394 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 2, 2015 10:23:12am

re: #389 Justanotherhuman

In op-ed, US Attorney General Eric Holder says Justice Department will file a brief arguing ‘state bans on same-sex marriage violate the fundamental constitutional guarantee of “equal protection of the laws”’ - @USATODAY

usatoday.com

Please explain to the “religious freedom” advocates that they are still free to look on these people as not being married in the eyes of the Lord, but they are married in the eyes of the Law.

There is a difference between the sacrament of Holy Matrimony and the civil and legal status of marriage. There was a time when they were identical, but that is not part of a society that believes in a separation of Church and State.

395 Mattand  Mar 2, 2015 10:25:20am

re: #386 The Mother Of All Pies

Judging by their recent Boards of Education, they have yet to learn basic science and civics, either.

396 Great White Snark  Mar 2, 2015 10:25:26am

re: #388 CuriousLurker

All I can say in response to that is that the last three paragraphs of the article hit the nail exactly on the head for me, especially this part:

You & I may be following up on the discussion of this and the articles written in response to it, but I seriously doubt most people will because the first article confirmed their fears/suspicions. The takeaway (for the casual reader) is Gelleresque, but with an intellectual veneer. If I knew that every person who read it was going to ponder it, discuss it, pick it apart the way you do, etc. then I wouldn’t be worried. Unfortunately, that’s not the case.

I don’t know how I can make myself any clearer.

THIS. A hundred times this.

We face the sad reality that every alleged, spoken of or asserted connection from Daesh to Islamic law is going to hurt Muslims with guilt by association far more than help the effort to stop Daesh.

397 Mattand  Mar 2, 2015 10:26:09am

re: #389 Justanotherhuman

In op-ed, US Attorney General Eric Holder says Justice Department will file a brief arguing ‘state bans on same-sex marriage violate the fundamental constitutional guarantee of “equal protection of the laws”’ - @USATODAY

usatoday.com

Troll ‘em on the way out and drop the mic.

398 Decatur Deb  Mar 2, 2015 10:28:38am

re: #384 The Mother Of All Pies

Well I am planning a trip to Israel in one month and I would like to have an enjoyable vacation and return home alive in one piece.

Alabama tourism has declared this the Year of Barbecue. I can’t find a firm date for the Temple Beth El (Birmingham) Kosher BBQ fest. It still has a placeholder for May. Join your son this time. AL is not as scary as Hebron.

al.com

whenpigsflykosherbbq.com

399 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 2, 2015 10:32:28am

Got another neo-Confed in my Timeline:

400 Nyet  Mar 2, 2015 10:34:23am

re: #388 CuriousLurker

I understand this fear. I do, however, feel strongly that that would be a wrong conclusion to draw from this approach. It does not preclude the intra-group critique. Yes, the claims of “un-Islamic” will be met with criticism. Just like one could criticize one Christian group calling another non-Christian.

But within Islam Muslims themselves have a right to draw such conclusions [though this is a double-edged sword, because ISIS also has the same right] - so this does not preclude the theological conclusions on the part of mainstream Muslim scholars that ISIS’ teachings do not correspond to the centuries of traditional, mainstream Islamic jurisprudence, theology and practice - or at least of how they see it.

(I should add though that if some of such critiques would be historically inaccurate, it would be fair on part of secular scholars to point this out, even to the detriment of the message. Amicus Plato, sed magis amica veritas.)

401 Decatur Deb  Mar 2, 2015 10:35:59am

re: #399 The Mother Of All Pies

Got another neo-Confed in my Timeline:

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The American Indian involvement on both sides of the Civil War was largely a opportunistic continuation of a power struggle within the Cherokee nation. It started before, and continued after.

402 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 2, 2015 10:37:30am

re: #399 The Mother Of All Pies

The notion that that there were other causes for the Civil War than slavery is not invalid, but the notion that it was not connected with slavery is not just tenuous, it is ludicrous. Read the declarations of secession of all the Confederate states, and they expressly mention slavery.

the “Rich man’s war and a poor man’s fight” quip came from the fact that slave owners with more than 10 slaves were exempt from military service, as they had to stay home and crack the whip over their human livestock.

403 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 2, 2015 10:38:18am

re: #401 Decatur Deb

The American Indian involvement on both sides of the Civil War was largely a opportunistic continuation of a power struggle within the Cherokee nation. It started before, and continued after.

The “Five Civilized Nations” (Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Seminole & Creek) owned Black slaves. Some were adopted into the tribe.

404 lawhawk  Mar 2, 2015 10:38:24am

Moment of levity amid a sea of derp (like the neo Confederates claiming slavery had nothing to do with the secession and insurrection by the South, even though the South explicitly declared slavery a primary reason for secession in their declarations of secession):

405 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 2, 2015 10:38:55am

re: #402 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The notion that that there were other causes for the Civil War than slavery is not invalid, but the notion that it was not connected with slavery is not just tenuous, it is ludicrous. Read the declarations of secession of all the Confederate states, and they expressly mention slavery.

the “Rich man’s war and a poor man’s fight” quip came from the fact that slave owners with more than 10 slaves were exempt from military service, as they had to stay home and crack the whip over their human livestock.

The “20-[N Word] Rule”

406 wrenchwench  Mar 2, 2015 10:39:29am
407 Nyet  Mar 2, 2015 10:41:29am

Was it the Cornerstone speech that mentioned the white supremacy as the cause? Too lazy to check right now.

408 Decatur Deb  Mar 2, 2015 10:41:36am

re: #403 The Mother Of All Pies

The “Five Civilized Nations” (Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Seminole & Creek) owned Black slaves. Some were adopted into the tribe.

Yup. They also were a refuge for escaped slaves when the terrain was remote enough. It was one of the causes for Jackson’s attacks and their displacement.

en.wikipedia.org

409 Justanotherhuman  Mar 2, 2015 10:46:39am

C-SPAN’s request to US Supreme Court for Wednesday release of Affordable Care Act oral argument denied; audio will have normal Friday release - @cspanJeremy
see original on twitter.com

410 Justanotherhuman  Mar 2, 2015 10:48:27am

Can you say “overshare”, kids? I knew you could.

411 CuriousLurker  Mar 2, 2015 10:49:10am

re: #400 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

I know this is prolly going to sound pretty snarky, but you say all of that with the calm assurance of one who has never been a minority on the daily receiving end of intense bigotry and group demonization. If I’m wrong, I’m sure you’ll correct me and I’ll apologize.

412 Justanotherhuman  Mar 2, 2015 10:51:19am

re: #407 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Confederate VP Alexander Stephens, 1861 Cornerstone Speech:

“Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition.”

413 sagehen  Mar 2, 2015 10:52:33am

re: #407 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Was it the Cornerstone speech that mentioned the white supremacy as the cause? Too lazy to check right now.

The Cornerstone Speech was the one that said Jefferson was wrong on that “all men are created equal” thing, that the cornerstone on which the Confederacy was to be built was white supremacy and negro servitude.

414 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 2, 2015 10:52:38am

Those damned vegetables are going to send you straight to hell:

415 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 2, 2015 10:54:44am
416 Nyet  Mar 2, 2015 10:54:48am

Since we’re talking about utilitarianism, there is one more reason for outsiders not to accept “one true interpretation” on the basis of it being more traditional or historical (quite aside from the fact that it cannot be done).

Namely: not everything in that traditional interpretation is going to be to our liking.

Yes, it’s good when the traditional interpretation works against the crazed extremists. But the same tradition can be, for example, strongly anti-blasphemy, anti-LGBT and so on. If we accept it as one true form of a religion, one would then have to choose between the religion and, say, liberalism. This also hinders reforms. We can’t say “stick to tradition” to one group and then say “get rid of the bad parts” to another when it suits us.

417 Justanotherhuman  Mar 2, 2015 10:55:14am

re: #414 Backwoods_Sleuth

Damn, he’s descending rapidly into the darkness of senility.

418 lawhawk  Mar 2, 2015 11:00:25am

re: #417 Justanotherhuman

How can you tell? /

419 Floral Giraffe  Mar 2, 2015 11:02:20am

re: #415 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m south of there & its freaking cold! Now, I am grateful to not be shovelling snow!

420 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 2, 2015 11:04:04am

re: #419 Floral Giraffe

I’m south of there & its freaking cold! Now, I am grateful to not be shovelling snow!

Hey you! I’ve been saving this for ya:

421 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 2, 2015 11:06:10am

re: #414 Backwoods_Sleuth

Televangelist Pat Robertson thinks drinkers and pot smokers are “enslaved to vegetables”

i was told to call any vegetable

call it by name!

422 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 2, 2015 11:09:20am

re: #421 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i was told to call any vegetable

call it by name!

Keep Cool And Carry Yams

423 Dave In Austin  Mar 2, 2015 11:14:59am

re: #421 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

And that vegetable will be good to you….

424 Floral Giraffe  Mar 2, 2015 11:25:47am

re: #420 Backwoods_Sleuth

Would you mail that to me? I haven’t been able to copy it! Nic is blue :)

425 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 2, 2015 11:37:29am

re: #424 Floral Giraffe

Would you mail that to me? I haven’t been able to copy it! Nic is blue :)

Sent!

426 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 2, 2015 11:40:12am

re: #396 Great White Snark

THIS. A hundred times this.

We face the sad reality that every alleged, spoken of or asserted connection from Daesh to Islamic law is going to hurt Muslims with guilt by association far more than help the effort to stop Daesh.

It’s still an asshole problem that everyone is insisting has to be viewed as a religious problem. And a lot of people assholes with agendas *want* it to be viewed as the latter.

427 RealityBasedSteve  Mar 2, 2015 3:33:50pm

re: #421 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i was told to call any vegetable

call it by name!

” You know. You all know exactly who I am. Say my name.”

“You’re Artichoke”

“You’re goddamn right.”

428 Saint Stephen  Mar 2, 2015 5:16:24pm

re: #163 freetoken

They already believe in a magical America, so a magical Israel isn’t a big stretch.

429 Decatur Deb  Mar 2, 2015 5:21:44pm

re: #428 Saint Stephen

They already believe in a magical America, so a magical Israel isn’t a big stretch.

St S—You are at the bottom of a pretty dead thread. No one will see you unless they are on the Master Spy utility. To join in, go to a thread at the upper right of the header. The current one starts “Exclusive: CPAC…”.


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