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1 Charles Johnson  Mar 3, 2015 7:39:50pm

The Ballad of Billy John.

NSFW.

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2 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 3, 2015 7:45:02pm

Charles beat me to the punch(line) on this one, but here’s the latest gotnwes.com bulletin, anyway.

BREAKING, EXCLUSIVE: #clintonemails prove Hillary Clinton aide is Hillary Clinton aide

Let’s see how many people call me a nitwit for this report. ;-)

3 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mar 3, 2015 7:46:48pm

evening Lizards. been a busy day (and still going) since I have a deployment to manage in 15 minutes. Heard the bibi speech and just shook my head. I am guessing (and having read some of the comments in the thread) I wasn’t the only one.

4 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 3, 2015 7:53:30pm

I can relate to Mothersbaugh’s experience getting his first pair of glasses. My vision was (still is!) just as bad as his, but I got my first pair of glasses in the first grade. Miss LeMay noticed I couldn’t read the chalkboard from the second row and asked my folks to take me to an eye doctor.

Fun fact: My first eye doctor was a woman. At age 7, I didn’t think anything of it, but looking back I suppose she was a rare breed. I liked her, because she always had comic books in the waiting room.

5 freetoken  Mar 3, 2015 7:56:34pm
… news of de-evolution.

Are we still on Ben Carson?

Oh… wait… that’s anti-evolution. My bad.

6 Dark_Falcon  Mar 3, 2015 7:58:43pm

re: #2 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Charles beat me to the punch(line) on this one, but here’s the latest gotnwes.com bulletin, anyway.

BREAKING, EXCLUSIVE: #clintonemails prove Hillary Clinton aide is Hillary Clinton aide

Let’s see how many people call me a nitwit for this report. ;-)

As secretive as Hillary Clinton often is, one wonders if that one is a joke.

7 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 3, 2015 7:59:04pm

re: #5 freetoken

Are we still on Ben Carson?

Oh… wait… that’s anti-evolution. My bad.

Someone needs to ‘shop a Devo hat onto Carson’s head.

8 freetoken  Mar 3, 2015 8:01:41pm

re: #7 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Someone needs to ‘shop a Devo hat onto Carson’s head…

… while he’s riding a llama.

9 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 3, 2015 8:04:10pm

re: #8 freetoken

… while he’s riding a llama.

..and wearing a white-and-gold dress.

10 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 3, 2015 8:04:22pm

re: #8 freetoken

… while he’s riding a llama.

With a black and blue white and gold dress.

11 RealityBasedSteve  Mar 3, 2015 8:05:26pm

re: #10 Eclectic Cyborg

With a black and blue white and gold dress.

now you’re over the top…

12 Dark_Falcon  Mar 3, 2015 8:05:37pm

re: #10 Eclectic Cyborg

With a black and blue white and gold dress.

No, I say it was purple and silver!

/

13 wrenchwench  Mar 3, 2015 8:09:46pm

I got glasses in third grade. Eleven years later I saw Devo at the Santa Monica Civic.

14 freetoken  Mar 3, 2015 8:11:15pm

I’ve noted before how the Gannett company appears to be marketing to the religious right, given all the articles on creationism their various local news outlets run.

Here’s another example, of an opinion piece, not just a letter to the editor, that Gannett is running:

Viewpoint: The real victim is Kent Hovind

[…]

Brother Hovind’s true crime was being naïve in believing that a corrupt justice system would do what is right and find him innocent. Brother Hovind is the victim. He is the victim of persecution from the IRS; he is the victim of anti-Christian, unethical, unconstitutional and prejudiced judge and prosecutors; he is a victim of media bias; and his reputation and integrity have been ruined.

[…]

The poor author sounds like a real mark for the con-man.

15 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 3, 2015 8:19:45pm

re: #14 freetoken

Pity the poor oppressed deadbeat Christian scammer.

16 freetoken  Mar 3, 2015 8:21:28pm

Quiet night already… but I’ll vent here about how messed up so many websites seem to be becoming.

I’m not talking about content but rather the web pages and the mountains of code which they now contain.

In the past 6 months or so I’ve encountered more and more sites that just won’t load, or load very well. Many take forever to load in Chrome. I’ve reinstalled ABP because even though it can cause problems I’m now encountering sites that have 20+ Flash thingys on a page, as well as being formatted for mobile devices (I hate the infinite scroll off the bottom that was made popular by sites like Twitter and Facebook.)

17 jaunte  Mar 3, 2015 8:22:23pm

re: #14 freetoken

“Hovind and his wife made a whole series of bank withdrawals that were just slightly under the $10,000 limit that would trigger reporting of the activity. They knew. They knew very well what they were doing.”
scienceblogs.com

18 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 3, 2015 8:28:46pm

re: #17 jaunte

“Hovind and his wife made a whole series of bank withdrawals that were just slightly under the $10,000 limit that would trigger reporting of the activity. They knew. They knew very well what they were doing.”
scienceblogs.com

Yeah, I have no sympathy for Hovind. He deliberately violated tax regulations and was practically daring the IRS to come after him, thinking Jaysus would protect him. That would be the same guy who said “render unto Caesar” etc. etc., so I reckon jaysus is just being consistent.

19 wrenchwench  Mar 3, 2015 8:34:05pm

Later, lizards.

20 Nyet  Mar 3, 2015 8:35:56pm

There are three guys on the photo.

One of them made an ad juxtaposing Susan Rice with a picture of skulls and accusing her of being pro-genocide.

One is a Gatestone Institute advisor.

One claims that Adolf Hitler came from a line of “accursed, genocidally murderous half-breed Jews.”

21 RealityBasedSteve  Mar 3, 2015 8:40:28pm

Great cover of an old standard by Eric Clapton. Goes out with about a 2 minute solo starting around 3:50 or so…. For your dining and dancing pleasure, Autumn Leaves.

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RBS

22 RadicalModerate  Mar 3, 2015 8:40:37pm

Today marked an anniversary that unfortunately got very little notice.

NASA turned 100 years old today.

NASA Celebrates 100 Years Since Founding of NACA

NACA 100 Years

On March 3, 2015, NASA celebrates 100 years since the founding of its predecessor — the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics, or NACA.

With a small budget and no paid staff, the NACA began developing the capabilities our nation needed to gain leadership in aeronautics. Throughout and beyond World War II, the NACA developed or helped develop many aeronautical breakthroughs that are still used today — from engine cowlings, to retractable landing gear, and jet engine compressors and turbines.

When the nation’s focus began turning to space during the 1950s, it was decided that the NACA’s 7,500 employees and $300 million in facilities would transition on October 1, 1958, to a new agency. Some of the NACA’s brightest minds became leaders of the space effort and directors of NASA research centers. One former NACA employee put the first footprints on the moon.

23 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 3, 2015 8:41:38pm

Well, my cats didn’t respond so positively but maybe yours will.

24 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 3, 2015 8:42:46pm

When David McKay and his group found those fossil bacteria in meteorite ALH84001, many biologists screamed that no bacteria could be that small.

25 Kragar  Mar 3, 2015 8:46:42pm
26 CleverToad  Mar 3, 2015 8:48:47pm

re: #22 RadicalModerate

Cool! Thanks for the mention

27 CleverToad  Mar 3, 2015 8:52:13pm

re: #24 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Also cool! Will have to read this again when I’m awake tomorrow…

28 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 3, 2015 8:54:45pm

re: #22 RadicalModerate

Today marked an anniversary that unfortunately got very little notice.

NASA turned 100 years old today.

NASA Celebrates 100 Years Since Founding of NACA

And the same Charles Doolittle Wolcott who found the Burgess Shale fossil beds also founded the NACA. What’s my point? I don’t know…it just seems odd.

29 Charles Johnson  Mar 3, 2015 8:55:13pm

The loons are barking at the moon tonight.

30 RealityBasedSteve  Mar 3, 2015 8:59:05pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

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According to right wing nutjobs, if you criticize Netanyahu it must mean you hate Israel.

The loons are barking at the moon tonight.

But if you criticize Obama, it’s because you love America.

RBS

31 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 3, 2015 9:00:08pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

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The loons are barking at the moon tonight.

They’re scared out of their minds. They realize that Obama is probably close to getting a good agreement with Iran, and that will eliminate one of their biggest talking points.

Of course they figure President Bush III or whoever can just renege on it, like Bush II did with the really good agreement Bill Clinton had with North
Korea.

32 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 3, 2015 9:06:56pm

re: #16 freetoken

I’m with you on that. I hate sites that have mountains of ads and taboola links and almost no content. And don’t get me started on those “Best” or “Top” lists that have every entry on a SEPARATE PAGE.

33 darthstar  Mar 3, 2015 9:08:29pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

34 darthstar  Mar 3, 2015 9:09:54pm

re: #31 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The talking points will remain, no matter what. Facts are irrelevant, When the time comes, the GOP will take credit for the Obama presidency and all will be right with the world.

35 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 3, 2015 9:11:50pm

Also wanted to chime in on the crime shows discussion from last night. One of the things that bothers me?

“Oh we only have this black and white surveillance photo but let’s switch it into 3-D so we can rotate it and see what was behind the guy who has his back to the camera.”

Because you TOTALLY don’t need another camera for such a thing.

/

36 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 3, 2015 9:12:09pm

re: #34 darthstar

The talking points will remain, no matter what. Facts are irrelevant, When the time comes, the GOP will take credit for the Obama presidency and all will be right with the world.

Oh, in the wingnut-o-sphere, you’re right. But a lot of voters will remember which side negotiated an agreement and which side tried to gin up yet a third ME war.

37 RealityBasedSteve  Mar 3, 2015 9:12:43pm

re: #35 Eclectic Cyborg

Also wanted to chime in on the crime shows discussion from last night. One of the things that bothers me?

“Oh we only have this black and white surveillance photo but let’s switch it into 3-D so we can rotate it and see what was behind the guy who has his back to the camera.”

Because you TOTALLY don’t need another camera for such a thing.

/

it’s all about the reflected quantum pixels

RBS

38 darthstar  Mar 3, 2015 9:12:55pm
39 darthstar  Mar 3, 2015 9:13:56pm

re: #36 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Obama’s up 5 points thanks to Boehner/Bibi’s stunt.

40 Kragar  Mar 3, 2015 9:19:01pm

re: #35 Eclectic Cyborg

Also wanted to chime in on the crime shows discussion from last night. One of the things that bothers me?

“Oh we only have this black and white surveillance photo but let’s switch it into 3-D so we can rotate it and see what was behind the guy who has his back to the camera.”

Because you TOTALLY don’t need another camera for such a thing.

/

I love how they’re able to break an entire murder case, including decrypting data, DNA breakdowns, toxicology reports, tracking down witnesses and bringing them in multiples times for interviews, and it all happens in just one day.

41 darthstar  Mar 3, 2015 9:20:44pm

Lots of sirens outside…someone’s having a bad commute home. I hope they’re okay. Crap…big engine siren noise. That means fire.

42 darthstar  Mar 3, 2015 9:22:42pm

Now Salon wants me to capitalize the word ‘god’ in every instance. Fuck that blogzine.

43 darthstar  Mar 3, 2015 9:23:32pm

bedtime…g’night.

44 Kragar  Mar 3, 2015 9:24:06pm

8 Scenes That Prove Hollywood Doesn’t Get Technology

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45 Kragar  Mar 3, 2015 9:25:47pm

re: #42 darthstar

Now Salon wants me to capitalize the word ‘god’ in every instance. Fuck that blogzine.

Replace it with Glob

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46 freetoken  Mar 3, 2015 9:27:23pm

re: #40 Kragar

Humans want to believe in magic.

To many people in our society, our inventions are magical. Not understood, just accepted.

That’s why so few “sci-fi” shows have true, or at least possible through speculation, descriptions of plot elements and devices. Rather, it’s all magic.

47 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 3, 2015 9:29:13pm

re: #46 freetoken

Humans want to believe in magic.

To many people in our society, our inventions are magical. Not understood, just accepted.

That’s why so few “sci-fi” shows have true, or at least possible through speculation, descriptions of plot elements and devices. Rather, it’s all magic.

A lot of the same people think you can prevent somebody with the resources of a national government from acquiring 70-year-old technology if they really want to.

48 TedStriker  Mar 3, 2015 9:32:22pm

re: #38 darthstar

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The comments for that article hurt my head.

49 BeachDem  Mar 3, 2015 9:39:48pm

re: #9 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

..and wearing a white-and-gold dress.

re: #10 Eclectic Cyborg

With a black and blue white and gold dress.

50 Nyet  Mar 3, 2015 9:41:56pm

re: #38 darthstar

Congrats, Salon, that’s such a deep article on such an important topic.

51 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 3, 2015 9:44:35pm

It’s just a matter of week, guys, a MATTER OF WEEKS.

52 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 3, 2015 9:58:40pm

re: #51 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It’s just a matter of week, guys, a MATTER OF WEEKS.

My reply to that idiot.

53 Nyet  Mar 3, 2015 10:01:33pm

re: #51 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It’s useless. Been there.

54 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 3, 2015 10:09:00pm

re: #53 Nyet

It’s useless. Been there.

I know.

To be fair, my reply was polite.

It may have taken five three drafts to get there.

55 BeachDem  Mar 3, 2015 10:14:01pm

Per Jon Stewart:

“Whether or not Netanyahu achieved his goals of sabotaging a deal with Iran or mistakenly opened up a rift in U.S.-Israeli relations, one thing is certain,” Stewart observed. “The in-chamber response to this speech was by far the longest blowjob a Jewish man has ever received.”

56 Ace-o-aces  Mar 3, 2015 10:21:53pm
57 Kragar  Mar 3, 2015 10:22:33pm

re: #56 Ace-o-aces

58 Ace-o-aces  Mar 3, 2015 10:24:30pm

re: #44 Kragar

8 Scenes That Prove Hollywood Doesn’t Get Technology

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…what can we expect from an industry that doesn’t understand how keyboards work despite using them on a daily basis to type the scripts?

59 Ace-o-aces  Mar 3, 2015 10:33:20pm
60 Kragar  Mar 3, 2015 10:37:21pm

re: #59 Ace-o-aces

61 goddamnedfrank  Mar 3, 2015 10:39:28pm

Self righteous Christian tells Jews how to Jew.

62 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 3, 2015 10:47:38pm

re: #61 goddamnedfrank

Self righteous Christian tells Jews how to Jew.

Americans Jews criticize, even snub, the duly elected leader of another country, they’re JINOs.

American conservatives criticize, even insult, the duly elected leader of their own country, they’re True Americans.

It’s all very simple, really.

63 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 3, 2015 10:54:58pm

Bibi at Congress: A Fantasia—

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu looked out over the gathered members of Congress today. “You are my harem,” the Israeli leader said, “and I am your sultan. I could pluck any one of you out and bring back to my tent, adorn you in silk, and ask you if you’re grateful that you get the privilege to suck the sultan’s cock. You, there, Senator Tom Cotton, part your lips and smoke the cream pipe of paradise. Darrell Issa, your tongue looks ready to wash the leathery folds of the sultan’s orb sack. Don’t crowd, my concubines. I will bless each of you when my jism geyser is ready to erupt. Each of you will receive the gift of the sultan’s pearls on your faces”

64 Kragar  Mar 3, 2015 11:04:13pm

Touching up my Chaos elites

65 Nyet  Mar 3, 2015 11:05:57pm

re: #63 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

At first I thought, “too much”. But after clicking his links…

66 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 3, 2015 11:08:10pm

re: #63 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Link no work, boss.

67 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 3, 2015 11:20:35pm

re: #66 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Link no work, boss.

Fixed. Sorry.

68 freetoken  Mar 3, 2015 11:28:24pm

Anyone else finding the latest versions of Chrome (Mac version) to be a memory hog?

I remember when i switched to Chrome, because Safari had become so slow and a memory hog itself.

Now Chrome is getting worse.

Looking at the stats:

Just to start Chrome takes over 500MB.
To load the LGF front page - another 500MB.
To then load the spy version of the latest post - yet another 500MB.

Modern software is addicted to gadgetitis, and so much software is severely bloated.

69 LastYearsMan  Mar 3, 2015 11:30:52pm

I’ve been unhappy with Chrome ever since upgrading to Yosemite. Which could just as likely mean I’m unhappy with Apple. But the current setup seems to open a lot of “Google Chrome Helper” tracks for each tab, which really adds up quickly and eats up a lot of memory.

Here’s a discussion of why.

70 freetoken  Mar 3, 2015 11:40:36pm

MP3 Audio

71 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 3, 2015 11:41:37pm

Here’s the latest one-sided exchange with the guy who called @GotNwes a nitwit earlier.

He’s just very upset, it seems. At what, I’m not sure.

72 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 3, 2015 11:47:28pm

re: #69 LastYearsMan

I was using Firefox for a long time. Then, when FF continued to have a memory leak problem, I switched to Chrome. Then Chrome started to eat up RAM. Plus I was having problems with Chrome and LGF’s bells and whistles, so I switched to Opera. I still use FF, because the latest iteration seems not to gobble up RAM, but Opera has become my LGF browser because everything works.

Except the Pages bookmarklet. I have no idea where it goes in Opera.

73 TedStriker  Mar 4, 2015 12:01:04am

re: #71 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Here’s the latest one-sided exchange with the guy who called @GotNwes a nitwit earlier.

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He’s just very upset, it seems. At what, I’m not sure.

Damn, they couldn’t find a clue if it hit them in the head…

74 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 4, 2015 12:12:07am

re: #73 TedStriker

Damn, they couldn’t find a clue if it hit them in the head…

He just doesn’t get it, and there’s no point in trying to explain things to him. I guess he figures he who has the most tweets/followers haz Teh Troot.

75 Ace-o-aces  Mar 4, 2015 12:15:45am

re: #64 Kragar

Touching up my Chaos elites

I played a game of Warhammer 40K once. It took 3 hours to get my army to fighting distance, and about 5 minutes for my opponent to kill everyone. Decided to stick to chess after that.

76 Kragar  Mar 4, 2015 12:23:22am

re: #75 Ace-o-aces

I played a game of Warhammer 40K once. It took 3 hours to get my army to fighting distance, and about 5 minutes for my opponent to kill everyone. Decided to stick to chess after that.

Got to make sure you’ve got a balanced force

77 Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2015 12:25:18am

re: #76 Kragar

Got to make sure you’ve got a balanced force

What, you can’t just rush the enemy with hordes of low-level troops? All those years of RTS games lied to me?!

/

78 Kragar  Mar 4, 2015 12:27:08am

re: #77 Targetpractice

What, you can’t just rush the enemy with hordes of low-level troops? All those years of RTS games lied to me?!

/

I had a Nid player once tell me that a tactical withdrawl to keep his forces in a kill zone was cheating.

79 Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2015 12:28:45am

re: #78 Kragar

I had a Nid player once tell me that a tactical withdrawl to keep his forces in a kill zone was cheating.

Did you remind him that there is no cheating in war?

80 Kragar  Mar 4, 2015 12:51:09am

re: #79 Targetpractice

Did you remind him that there is no cheating in war?

IIRC, my response was to roll 2 squads of Sternguard veterans up on his Hive Tyrant and disembarking them in rapid fire range.

81 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 4, 2015 12:54:33am

Colombians seize illegal cargo of weapons bound for Cuba from Chinese vessel.

m.bbc.com

82 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 4, 2015 1:00:59am

re: #80 Kragar

IIRC, my response was to roll 2 squads of Sternguard veterans up on his Hive Tyrant and disembarking them in rapid fire range.

Bah, that simply recalls Maxim 20: if you’re not willing to shell your own position, you’re not willing to win.

83 Kragar  Mar 4, 2015 1:07:17am

re: #82 William Barnett-Lewis

Bah, that simply recalls Maxim 20: if you’re not willing to shell your own position, you’re not willing to win.

The rules actually prevent you from shelling your own troops on purpose.

Never the less, there are ways.

“You can’t drop arty on these guys, they’re locked in combat with your troops.”

“Yeah, but I can shell the transport they just disembarked from and catch you in the blast.”

“YOU BASTARD!”

84 BadExampleMan  Mar 4, 2015 1:11:25am

ComPLETEly off-topic, spare a good thought if you can for my old-lady cat Isadore. I discovered a lump on her chin yesterday and the biopsy looked cancerous, so she’s going under the knife right now to have it removed.

85 goddamnedfrank  Mar 4, 2015 1:15:20am

re: #78 Kragar

I had a Nid player once tell me that a tactical withdrawl to keep his forces in a kill zone was cheating.

Nids have no personality, I don’g get the appeal at all.

re: #83 Kragar

The rules actually prevent you from shelling your own troops on purpose.

Karamazov has an exception in the Grey Knights codex. The By All Means Necessary Rule allows him to fire an Orbital Strike Relay centered on a friendly model, with no scatter, because honey badger doesn’t give a shit.

86 Kragar  Mar 4, 2015 1:19:28am

re: #85 goddamnedfrank

Nids have no personality, I don’g get the appeal at all.

Karamazov has an exception in the Grey Knights codex. The By All Means Necessary Rule allows him to fire an Orbital Strike Relay centered on a friendly model, with no scatter, because honey badger doesn’t give a shit.

There are units with special rules which override the basic rules. I think there are a couple more with rules like that.

87 Nyet  Mar 4, 2015 1:45:46am

They can’t even shop.

88 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 1:53:53am

I need to talk to a reasonable person. I’ve been awakened by my grandson having to go to Charlotte to see his mother whose little trailer home was the scene of a “home invasion”. This is the second time in a week that someone came to her house where she and her boyfriend live. The first time, they came home to find the door broken in, but nothing taken. Last night, 2 guys came by and attempted to enter while they were there, and her boyfriend evidently beat the crap out of one of them and the police took him to a mental health facility. I should note that the boyfriend suffered a severe beating when he was 17 and has some issues, including the loss of sight in one eye and perhaps some brain damage as well (he’s on disability). He’s 40 but looks very young, almost half his age. I’ve never seen him violent, however, and it sounds as though he was defending his home and himself and her against those guys. The cops claimed they had one guy in custody but he somehow escaped.

I was trying to explain to her that it seemed odd to me that her little place (which you would have to know where it is to find it among a hundred or more others in a trailer park) was an odd one for someone to come to 2 times and break in, that they were either under the impression they had money (she had gotten an income tax refund), they had bought a vehicle and were selling another one, or perhaps one of them had said something to the wrong person. She kept saying, “It’s Charlotte” and that the cops said there were a lot of break-ins. She is more upset with her boyfriend being over at mental health, but I told her the cops check records, and she’s only known him for 2 yrs, even though she thinks he’s a saint. And in the time I’ve known him, about a year, he hasn’t done anything to warrant a second look from me.

But seemingly the same guys two times in the same little nothing place? I can’t convince her that this is probably not something out of the blue. She got upset with me that I was trying to blame her and him, which was not my intent, but trying to get her to go back in time to see if there was something said by either of them to the wrong person or if someone had a beef with either of them. Neither of them do drugs to our knowledge, just drink beer. I just have the feeling this is something “personal” for some reason, because they’ve just been living a pretty quiet life otherwise.

I just don’t think it was some random act. But stranger things have happened, I suppose.

89 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 4, 2015 2:04:23am

re: #88 Justanotherhuman

Maybe the BF has some kind of history with the intruders, which he hasn’t shared with y’all. I gotta agree with you that a trailer being hit twice suggests the intruders are looking for something that they haven’t found yet.

Or they’re just trying to fuck with this guy’s head, which is why I think they have some history together — buddies, co-workers, school mates, or something.

90 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 2:14:46am

re: #89 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Well, he’s originally from Charleston and hasn’t been in Charlotte but a few years. Doesn’t work, but they could have been guys he bumped into somewhere, which is what I was trying to tell my DIL, although she thinks they’re joined at the hip. She works and he doesn’t drive, but he’s home alone when she’s working. And my DIL can be a drama queen when bad things happen of any kind.

Sometimes I feel I’m losing trust in the entire human race, and I don’t want to feel that way, when things like this happen. When it gets down to 2 incidents of the strong preying on the seemingly weak in my world in 3 wks and I and someone close to me are victims of those types, it tends to make you feel that way, I suppose, and that there are more “predators” out there. We’ve all read about these kinds of incidents elsewhere when a word or gesture can drive another to a criminal act.

But I know that most people aren’t out to “get” others. Most of us just want to live “normal” lives and enjoy life.

91 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 4, 2015 2:18:47am

re: #90 Justanotherhuman

There are some types who get their jollies from screwing around with other people, just schoolyard bullies who never outgrew that phase.

92 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 4, 2015 2:24:17am

I wonder if the usual suspects will pick up on this story.

Federal agents crackdown on ‘birth tourism’ in California

Since the mothers involved are Chinese, probably not.

93 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 2:33:51am

re: #92 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Yeah, esp since it’s probably conservative Orange County types running those for a neat profit.

94 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 4, 2015 2:35:33am

re: #93 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, esp since it’s probably conservative Orange County types running those for a neat profit.

Ah, I missed that connection. That’s Orly Taitz’s home turf, IIRC.

95 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 2:37:58am

BTW, Scarborough is running Benghazi! like crazy. You just know that Hillary Clinton used the wrong phone to try to contact those in Benghazi! to warn them. That’s his story and he’s sticking to it.

Christonacrutch.

96 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 2:39:23am

And WTF, MSNBC? Having Scarborough report the earliest ‘news’ on your channel with his right-wing slant?

97 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 4, 2015 2:40:54am

re: #96 Justanotherhuman

And WTF, MSNBC? Having Scarborough report the earliest ‘news’ on your channel with his right-wing slant?

LIE-BRUL MEEDIA!!!! strikes again!

98 Lidane  Mar 4, 2015 2:40:54am

Somewhere out there, Pamela haz a sad:

99 BeachDem  Mar 4, 2015 2:41:37am

re: #90 Justanotherhuman

Did the boyfriend seem to know the guys who were breaking in, or were they strangers to him? Could they possibly have been at the wrong place—I mean, might the intruders been looking for another address and been there somewhat randomly?

It does seem very strange that a random break-in, or two actually, would single out one trailer twice in three weeks in a park that big.

Is this DIL the mother of the granddaughter with the crazy in-laws? Could that bunch have anything to do with it?

Just thinking out loud…Sorry you have to deal with upsetting stuff like this.

100 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 4, 2015 2:43:54am

As a sidebar to that “birth tourism” story, there are many well-to-do Chinese who give birth overseas to evade the one-child policy, or who see an American (or Canadian)-born child as an advantage. The woman who made such a splash with her pollution video, Chai Jing, took some heat for giving birth in the States. In her case, I assume she wanted better postnatal medical care for her daughter, who had a benign tumor in utero.

Such foreign births have a downside, because a foreign-born Chinese cannot get a national ID card (well, a legal one) or be considered a Chinese citizen. That presents some problems when it comes to schooling, university education and future job prospects. So, it’s really a choice that only rich Chinese can benefit from. For that matter, rich Chinese are about the only ones who can afford to live in the States for much longer than a few days.

101 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 2:46:41am

re: #99 BeachDem

She did say at first she thought it was the crazy in-laws, but also said later she thought it was just “random” (which I don’t think it was). Twice in less than a week? No way. And she’s upset that the cops arrested her boyfriend for defending her and himself against the two. Well, not a technical arrest, but taken to mental health. No doubt he has flashbacks to the time he suffered a beat down from 4 sailors which disabled him and won him a case against the US Navy for damages 23 yrs ago.

102 BeachDem  Mar 4, 2015 2:51:19am

re: #101 Justanotherhuman

She did say at first she thought it was the crazy in-laws, but also said later she thought it was just “random” (which I don’t think it was). Twice in less than a week? No way. And she’s upset that the cops arrested her boyfriend for defending her and himself against the two. Well, not a technical arrest, but taken to mental health. No doubt he has flashbacks to the time he suffered a beat down from 4 sailors which disabled him and won him a case against the US Navy for damages 23 yrs ago.

So it is the same branch of the family as the loonies—did the BF ever get into it with any of them? That would be my first suspicion. That the loons got somebody to mess with them. Really doesn’t sound random at all—particularly because, if it was indeed the same people the first time, the fact that they didn’t take anything sounds more like it was to scare them than to steal from them.

103 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 2:58:10am

re: #102 BeachDem

He had been doing some landscaping work for my g-daughter’s husband who was cheating him on pay, so after a week of that, he refused to work any more. I wouldn’t put anything past that lot, and everyone in my family has warned my granddaughter about them. The father is a crook and brags about his “connections” with the cops, etc. Thinks he knows all about the law (well, probably how to get around it).

As of last Fri, the woman who attacked me had not been arrested. Now, I have to go to court Fri on trumped up complaints from her and my g-daughter’s husband. She claims I “scratched” her neck and he claims I broke his door (the storm door had no closer on it and was a POS anyway. She was pushing me out—I never got past the threshold and if I scratched her, it was accidental as I was trying to stay upright. Neither is true, of course, but at least if she shows up, they can arrest her in court on my complaint of assault. : )

104 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 3:03:10am

Well, this is rich, coming from you, Pootie-poo.

Russia must be rid of disgrace, tragedies like Boris Nemtsov’s murder, President Putin says at interior ministry meeting - Interfax
end of alert

105 BeachDem  Mar 4, 2015 3:09:36am

re: #103 Justanotherhuman

I wouldn’t put anything past that lot, and everyone in my family has warned my granddaughter about them. The father is a crook and brags about his “connections” with the cops, etc. : )

Maybe he does have connections, which would explain why they took the bf in and somehow let the intruder “escape.” I can’t believe they’re pursuing that crap with you. They sound just lovely. You’d think that crap would have opened your granddaughter’s eyes, but I know how hard those kind of situations can be.
Hope it all works out for the best—for you and for her.

WTF am I doing up? I just went to bed at 2 and woke up at 5:30—need to go back to sleep.

Hope it all works out

106 Lidane  Mar 4, 2015 3:10:44am

Freepers are taking the House passing the “clean” DHS funding bill in their usual calm, rational manner:

We’ll just have to try harder next time. Those Dems know all the tricks. They’re always Lucy. We’re always Charlie Brown
—-

McConnell and Boehner are so angry they’re taking Pelosi, Reid and Obama out for a big steak dinner to celebrate.
—

Understand yet? REPUBLICANS ARE AN ENEMY.

They must be destroyed no less so than Democrats.
—

So, was Boehner just using the Netenyahu speech as cover, hoping it would dominate the airwaves and he could slide this through with the least amount of press possible. I really hate that dude.
—

If Bibi loses his election, bring him over here and let him be the Speaker—the only requirement for becoming Speaker is that the House members choose you, and that would be the ultimate smackdown of the lily-livered lickspittles.
—

DUMP BOEHNER

Netanyahu for Speaker of the House
—

The Pub’s are disgusting and very un-American.
—

Netanyahu/King Abdullah 2016
—

Yep, we’ve been betrayed. It’s official now. The GOP has now shown us that elections do not have consequences, and that they are afraid to stand on principle.
The USA is doomed.
—

I think I want to burn Boehner in effigy. McConnell, too.
—

I keep saying over and over again.

Elections will not fix what is broke in America.

The weeds have taken over our pastures and it is time to do some serious application(s) of herbicide to bring back our productive grasses.

The beltway filth have betrayed all of us again.
—

It is hard to accept but it is now a certainty that the extremely evil left, the very evil GOPe and all who voted for this evil bill have overthrown our Republic as Founded.

The United States is being turned into a third world, balkinized anti-english, anti-Conservative, anti-white sewer.

There is no peaceful way back from the evil that has been unleashed across our land.
—

OK, NOW is time to start shooting the bastards?

107 Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2015 3:13:13am

re: #106 Lidane

Freepers are taking the House passing the “clean” DHS funding bill in their usual calm, rational manner:

That’s what happens when you dwell within an echo chamber, you eventually lose all touch with reality. Only in their wildest fantasies was victory within their grasp.

108 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 3:13:32am

re: #106 Lidane

Hate to go all Godwin here, but these are the people who would follow you know who in a NY minute.

109 Lidane  Mar 4, 2015 3:16:07am

re: #108 Justanotherhuman

Hate to go all Godwin here, but these are the people who would follow you know who in a NY minute.

They’re convinced he’s in the Oval Office right now.

110 BeachDem  Mar 4, 2015 3:19:42am

re: #106 Lidane

Freepers are taking the House passing the “clean” DHS funding bill in their usual calm, rational manner:

The weeds have taken over our pastures and it is time to do some serious application(s) of herbicide to bring back our productive grasses.

This one is hilarious—made me think of “Brawndo’s got what plants crave. It’s got electrolytes.”

111 Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2015 3:19:55am

re: #109 Lidane

They’re convinced he’s in the Oval Office right now.

I thought the latest meme was that he was Neville Chamberlain, while Bibi is Churchill?

112 Dave In Austin  Mar 4, 2015 3:21:22am
113 Lidane  Mar 4, 2015 3:22:30am

re: #111 Targetpractice

I thought the latest meme was that he was Neville Chamberlain, while Bibi is Churchill?

From what I’m seeing on the RWNJ sites, Boehner is Chamberlin, Bibi is Churchill and Obama is He Who Must Not Be Appeased.

114 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 3:23:03am

re: #109 Lidane

Their ideology suggests it: “The weeds have taken over our pastures and it is time to do some serious application(s) of herbicide to bring back our productive grasses.”

“The United States is being turned into a third world, balkinized anti-english, anti-Conservative, anti-white sewer.”

“OK, NOW is time to start shooting the bastards?”

115 Dr Lizardo  Mar 4, 2015 3:29:29am

re: #114 Justanotherhuman

Their ideology suggests it: “The weeds have taken over our pastures and it is time to do some serious application(s) of herbicide to bring back our productive grasses.”

“The United States is being turned into a third world, balkinized anti-english, anti-Conservative, anti-white sewer.”

“OK, NOW is time to start shooting the bastards?”

They talk a big game, those Freepers do…..but when push comes to shove, they’ll simply bitch aplenty on their keyboards. They’re cowards. All talk, no action.

It’s the ones who aren’t pissing and moaning on FR and Breitbrat, etc……those are the ones you gotta worry about.

116 Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2015 3:33:20am

re: #113 Lidane

From what I’m seeing on the RWNJ sites, Boehner is Chamberlin, Bibi is Churchill and Obama is He Who Must Not Be Appeased.

It really is a testament to how shred a conman Churchill could be that he’s convinced history of just how “right” he was about Hitler, despite the reality being that Chamberlain made the best deal he could manage. There was no “better deal” in 1938, it was either give Hitler what he demanded or go to war. There was no third option, no squeezing him until he agreed to their terms.

117 BeachDem  Mar 4, 2015 3:34:24am

And now it’s official that they’re eating their own.

Conservative Group Lashes Out At GOP Establishment Over DHS Cave

And Ken Cuccinelli is leading the charge. Good times.

talkingpointsmemo.com

118 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 3:34:35am

Heh, now my grandson is mad at me because he quoted a statute about protecting your home, and I told him that was a defense for the boyfriend and asked him what the charge was. Told him they would have to get a lawyer or argue the defense in court. Gave him the tel # for mental health.

{sigh}

119 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 3:35:36am

re: #115 Dr Lizardo

OK. I don’t pay much attention to which sites are which. But there appear to be some who do have a fascist mindset, though. : )

120 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 3:44:15am

First suspects in Nemtsov murder identified — Federal Security Service

tass.ru

WTF? This sounds a bit contradictory.

“The car sought in connection with the murder of Russian opposition leader Boris Nemtsov belongs to a federal state unitary enterprise (FSUE) providing services to the Finance Ministry, Goznak, the Russian state body that prints banknotes, and other agencies, the Finance Ministry said earlier on Wednesday.

“The Ford car we are talking about does not belong to the Finance Ministry,” the ministry’s press service told TASS. “This is a vehicle of an in-house security service, an independent FSUE providing services to the Finance Ministry, Goznak and other bodies.”

“At the moment the FSUE car was crossing the bridge, a patrol vehicle and police officers were already there,” the ministry noted.” More

121 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 3:49:13am

Sabotage? It’s in Donetsk so it does make you wonder.

122 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 3:56:06am

So, why aren’t you investigating this, GG?

Brazil seeks to investigate 54 politicians in Petrobras scandal - @AFP
france24.com

123 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 4, 2015 3:57:19am

re: #115 Dr Lizardo

It’s the ones who aren’t pissing and moaning on FR and Breitbrat, etc……those are the ones you gotta worry about.

Yep, those are the real threat and we have more than a few of them out in the woods here in Wisconsin. They’re why I have my concealed carry license.

124 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 4, 2015 3:57:38am

re: #122 Justanotherhuman

So, why aren’t you investigating this, GG?

Brazil seeks to investigate 54 politicians in Petrobras scandal - @AFP
france24.com

Give him time—he’s got to figure out some angle where the US is to blame first.

125 Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2015 3:58:36am

Times like these, I realize how much I’m gonna miss this guy:

126 Eventual Carrion  Mar 4, 2015 4:19:52am

re: #29 Charles Johnson

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The loons are barking at the moon tonight.

So by that logic, if you criticize Obama you hate America.

127 Eventual Carrion  Mar 4, 2015 4:20:34am

re: #30 RealityBasedSteve

But if you criticize Obama, it’s because you love America.

RBS

I need to read down a few before posting.

128 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 4, 2015 4:40:30am
129 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 4, 2015 4:43:43am

re: #126 Eventual Carrion

So by that logic, if you criticize Obama you hate America.

They believe that:

130 Timothy Watson  Mar 4, 2015 4:45:08am

re: #129 The Mother Of All Pies

They believe that:

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Coming from the folks who wanted people who criticized Bush to be prosecuted for treason.

131 Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2015 4:48:45am

re: #129 The Mother Of All Pies

They believe that:

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They used to scream bloody murder if you questioned Dubya because “the terrorists win!” I can’t remember how many I saw wig the fuck out when told “dissent is patriotic.”

132 Dark_Falcon  Mar 4, 2015 4:51:10am

re: #95 Justanotherhuman

BTW, Scarborough is running Benghazi! like crazy. You just know that Hillary Clinton used the wrong phone to try to contact those in Benghazi! to warn them. That’s his story and he’s sticking to it.

Christonacrutch.

Better to focus on what can be done now to help rid Benghazi of Islamist radicals. The events of 30 months ago are in the past, and blame flinging won’t bring those died that day back. Let’s focus on how to kill their killers.

133 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 4, 2015 4:52:10am

re: #129 The Mother Of All Pies

They believe that:

It is not unpatriotic to disagree with or criticize the President. It’s actually one of the most patriotic things you can do.

But these people do even want to recognize him as a legally elected president: they see him as an illegal alien, a usurper, a threat to America who needs to be removed, by force if necessary.

134 Dark_Falcon  Mar 4, 2015 4:54:08am

And today’s history story:

Wreck of legendary Japanese battleship Musashi found by Microsoft billionaire: Paul Allen uses his own submarine to locate flagship that US forces sank with 1,000 men on board in WWII Battle of Leyte Gulf

Allen posted a picture to Twitter showing World War II ship’s rusting bow
Musashi, the Japanese Navy’s biggest battleship, was sunk in 1944
It lay undiscovered on the floor of the Sibuyan Sea for the past 70 years
Billionaire Allen has now used his personal submarine to find the ship
Discovery brings to an end Allen’s eight year search for the Musashi

135 wrenchwench  Mar 4, 2015 5:09:58am
136 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 4, 2015 5:13:43am
137 wrenchwench  Mar 4, 2015 5:17:39am

re: #132 Dark_Falcon

Better to focus on what can be done now to help rid Benghazi of Islamist radicals. The events of 30 months ago are in the past, and blame flinging won’t bring those died that day back. Let’s focus on how to kill their killers.

138 Dr. Matt  Mar 4, 2015 5:19:49am
139 Dr. Matt  Mar 4, 2015 5:20:43am

re: #95 Justanotherhuman

BTW, Scarborough is running Benghazi! like crazy. You just know that Hillary Clinton used the wrong phone to try to contact those in Benghazi! to warn them. That’s his story and he’s sticking to it.

Christonacrutch.

You just boosted Dead Intern Joe’s ratings to 12……12 people.

140 Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2015 5:21:01am

re: #136 The Mother Of All Pies

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Well, with his announcement yesterday of forming an “exploratory committee,” I think I can feel confident in declaring Carson the Michele Bachmann of the GOP 2016 candidates.

141 wrenchwench  Mar 4, 2015 5:23:06am

Tell Mothersbaugh, spreading the good news of devolution can be dangerous.

142 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 4, 2015 5:26:59am

I see this morning #UniteBlue is retweeting the batshit Neturei Karta, the Jewish Westboro cult:

143 Nyet  Mar 4, 2015 5:40:35am

re: #120 Justanotherhuman

It’s not the car which picked up the killer, it’s another car that the investigators found suspicious because they spotted it several times here and there around the spot of the murder in the video recordings. (Well, acc. to what I’m reading.)

144 nearly-headless smith25  Mar 4, 2015 5:42:48am

re: #136 The Mother Of All Pies

145 wrenchwench  Mar 4, 2015 5:51:41am

re: #136 The Mother Of All Pies

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146 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 4, 2015 5:51:51am

re: #136 The Mother Of All Pies

Ergo, don’t send people to prison, I suppose. Or make prison totally co-ed — except the showers and bathrooms, of course.

This man is a brain surgeon?

147 Dr. Matt  Mar 4, 2015 5:55:32am

Carson realizes his stock will rise by making more and more offensive and inflammatory comments.

148 Dr. Matt  Mar 4, 2015 6:00:42am

re: #146 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Ergo, don’t send people to prison, I suppose. Or make prison totally co-ed — except the showers and bathrooms, of course.

This man is a brain surgeon?

I collaborate with several surgeons and it’s no coincidence that many of them are wingnuts. They are brilliant at their craft, but the god-complex is not a stereotype. Early this year one of them walked into a meeting and declared out loud, “I spent the day saving lives”. He’s a Rand Paul fan.

149 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 4, 2015 6:03:04am

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

That’s just plain cool. I like billionaires who use their vast wealth and obsessions to give something back to the world, even if there is no obvious practical use for it.

As long as Allen doesn’t turn into a real life Captain Nemo, at least.

I wonder what Japan’s reaction has been to the discovery.

150 Dr. Matt  Mar 4, 2015 6:06:12am
151 lawhawk  Mar 4, 2015 6:06:17am
152 wrenchwench  Mar 4, 2015 6:06:19am
153 lawhawk  Mar 4, 2015 6:06:43am

re: #150 Dr. Matt

154 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 4, 2015 6:07:16am

re: #148 Dr. Matt

I collaborate with several surgeons and it’s no coincidence that many of them are wingnuts. They are brilliant at their craft, but the god-complex is not a stereotype. Early this year one of them walked into a meeting and declared out loud, “I spent the day saving lives”. He’s a Rand Paul fan.

Yeah, I know a couple of surgeons, too. They’re a cocky bunch. Within their specialty, that’s a good thing. Once outside their specialty, they’re just insufferable.

But Carson is a special case. He’s a pulpit-thumping brain surgeon; he’s extra cocky (and insufferable) because he has God on his side.

He’s not the kind of man who should lead a democratic, pluralistic country.

155 lawhawk  Mar 4, 2015 6:17:37am

I can just imagine the Pamela Gellars of the world shrieking in agony:

The same rules that allow the NYC public schools to set up school holidays for Jewish holidays also apply to Islamic holidays, Eid al-Fitr and Eid al-Adha. As well as Christian holidays. But that wont stop the Islamophobes from crying creeping Sharia.

156 ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2015 6:19:06am

Morning!

Not much to say other than Joey Scarborough absolutely hates him some Clintons. It doesn’t matter which one.

I think it all goes back to when he was in congress and he was one of the Newty Gingrich “Contract with America” gang. We all know how that turned out.

Add in big Bill managed to escape the Monica scandal and impeachment and Joe ended up resigning under heavy questions about the young women found dead in his Florida office and if he had an affair going on.

He did a “Palin” and resigned early in his last term and said it was due to family needs.

Overall, I think Joey is just pissed off that he never was seen as a political god he thought he was and never will be. He probably thinks he is way more sharp and cunning than a Clinton or an Obama and yet here he is, sitting in a studio day after day trying hard to be someone and he really isn’t. He’s just a cleaned-up version of the same wackos you see mouthing off in a comment section on some web site.

And he also seems to be suffering from the dreaded “I will always be a finely dressed 22 year old frat boy” at 50+.

Life is hard on Joey! We should all feel sorry for him. But we don’t, and it just chaffs his ass.

157 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 4, 2015 6:28:54am

re: #148 Dr. Matt

I collaborate with several surgeons and it’s no coincidence that many of them are wingnuts. They are brilliant at their craft, but the god-complex is not a stereotype. Early this year one of them walked into a meeting and declared out loud, “I spent the day saving lives”. He’s a Rand Paul fan.

Speaking from the experience of doing IT/MIS for a West Side cosmetic surgery practice, I couldn’t agree more. Admirals in the USN are Bodhisattvas compared to surgeons.

158 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Mar 4, 2015 6:32:30am

re: #58 Ace-o-aces, as well as a bunch of others

It’s worth keeping in mind that the writers are well aware of your criticisms. They have about 40 minutes to tell a story that would unfold over weeks in real life, while keeping it interesting and perky enough to keep viewers from changing the channel. This gripe goes back almost as far as people have been writing crime shows. For the record, I’m amused at all the typing they do instead of clicking on things.

159 Mattand  Mar 4, 2015 6:33:25am

re: #156 ObserverArt

Morning!

Not much to say other than Joey Scarborough absolutely hates him some Clintons. It doesn’t matter which one.

I think it all goes back to when he was in congress and he was one of the Newty Gingrich “Contract with America” gang. We all know how that turned out.

Add in big Bill managed to escape the Monica scandal and impeachment and Joe ended up resigning under heavy questions about the young women found dead in his Florida office and if he had an affair going on.

He did a “Palin” and resigned early in his last term and said it was due to family needs.

Overall, I think Joey is just pissed off that he never was seen as a political god he thought he was and never will be. He probably thinks he is way more sharp and cunning than a Clinton or an Obama and yet here he is, sitting in a studio day after day trying hard to be someone and he really isn’t. He’s just a cleaned-up version of the same wackos you see mouthing off in a comment section on some web site.

And he also seems to be suffering from the dreaded “I will always be a finely dressed 22 year old frat boy” at 50+.

Life is hard on Joey! We should all feel sorry for him. But we don’t, and it just chaffs his ass.

Whenever some rocket scientist like KT would spout off about how MSNBC is just like Fox, I’d look at Morning Joe and think “Please show me the equivalent show on Fox.”

The closet they ever came was when Alan Colmes was playing his punching bag-fake liberal routine with Hannity.

160 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 4, 2015 6:34:01am

re: #157 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Speaking from the experience of doing IT/MIS for a West Side cosmetic surgery practice, I couldn’t agree more. Admirals in the USN are Bodhisattvas compared to surgeons.

Oy. Cosmetic surgeons are not only arrogant, they also make a shit-ton of money without the hassles of dealing with insurance companies. Most of their clientele comes for elective surgery, cash in hand.

161 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 4, 2015 6:34:23am

re: #136 The Mother Of All Pies

Starting to think Dr. Ben has a bit of a gay fixation.

162 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 4, 2015 6:36:45am

re: #161 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Starting to think Dr. Ben has a bit of a gay fixation.

Was just chatting with a friend who was very big on Ben until I showed her that article. She tells me it is just typical of blacks of his generation.

I see: once you go black and gay, you can’t go back and say “It was a mistake!”

163 Mattand  Mar 4, 2015 6:37:00am

And since I’m in such a sun-shiney mood (6 to 10 inches of snow for South Jersey tonight, yay), I’m calling it now: the ACA is dead. Roberts is going to decide that his bona-fides as a True ConservativeTM is worth destroying health care for poor people.

…

164 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Mar 4, 2015 6:37:11am

re: #158 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Also for the record, I’m constantly trying to get my employees to use the mouse less and learn keyboard shortcuts. For a couple of reasons. I feel that people understand what they’re actually doing when they use the shortcuts. When I hear somebody say you click here and there, there is no explanation of what actually happened. Also, I have people who wind up with the same file open multiple times on the same PC because they don’t see the little thingy on the task bar and they reopen it. If they would Alt+tab to go through the open files, that would never happen.

165 Mattand  Mar 4, 2015 6:42:40am

re: #164 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Also for the record, I’m constantly trying to get my employees to use the mouse less and learn keyboard shortcuts. For a couple of reasons. I feel that people understand what they’re actually doing when they use the shortcuts. When I hear somebody say you click here and there, there is no explanation of what actually happened. Also, I have people who wind up with the same file open multiple times on the same PC because they don’t see the little thingy on the task bar and they reopen it. If they would Alt+tab to go through the open files, that would never happen.

Preaching to the choir, brother.

I’m tutoring someone in Illustrator and Photoshop right now. I have to stop and re-learn where the actual menu commands are due to my heavy use of keyboard shortcuts.

If you watch me work, the menu bar lights up like a Christmas tree. If a program doesn’t’ have a shortcut, I’ll dive into the preferences and make it.

166 Varek Raith  Mar 4, 2015 6:44:53am

re: #164 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

You can have my mouse when you pry it from mah cold, dead hands!

167 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 4, 2015 6:45:15am

re: #158 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

, as well as a bunch of others

It’s worth keeping in mind that the writers are well aware of your criticisms. They have about 40 minutes to tell a story that would unfold over weeks in real life, while keeping it interesting and perky enough to keep viewers from changing the channel. This gripe goes back almost as far as people have been writing crime shows. For the record, I’m amused at all the typing they do instead of clicking on things.

They should just pick up the mouse and talk to it.

168 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 4, 2015 6:46:56am

re: #163 Mattand

And since I’m in such a sun-shiney mood (6 to 10 inches of snow for South Jersey tonight, yay), I’m calling it now: the ACA is dead. Roberts is going to decide that his bona-fides as a True ConservativeTM is worth destroying health care for poor people.

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The court challenge makes absolutely no sense. The plaintiffs make no sense. Which is why the court will probably agree with the plaintiffs and gut the federal subsidies.

169 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 4, 2015 6:48:22am

re: #168 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

The court challenge makes absolutely no sense. The plaintiffs make no sense. Which is why the court will probably agree with the plaintiffs and gut the federal subsidies.

Only in the USA could such a thing happen.

170 Mattand  Mar 4, 2015 6:48:38am

re: #166 Varek Raith

You can have my mouse when you pry it from mah cold, dead hands!

Come to the keyboard side!!!!

171 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mar 4, 2015 6:50:49am

re: #155 lawhawk

I can just imagine the Pamela Gellars of the world shrieking in agony:

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The same rules that allow the NYC public schools to set up school holidays for Jewish holidays also apply to Islamic holidays, Eid al-Fitr and Eid al-Adha. As well as Christian holidays. But that wont stop the Islamophobes from crying creeping Sharia.

I’m waiting for Darwin Day.

172 Varek Raith  Mar 4, 2015 6:51:03am

re: #170 Mattand

Come to the keyboard side!!!!

No.
:P

173 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 4, 2015 6:51:09am

re: #136 The Mother Of All Pies

Because in prison when men and women are locked up together the men choose the men and outside of prison when men choose men instead of women they choose and so…wait, whut?

///

174 Mattand  Mar 4, 2015 6:52:51am

re: #168 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

The court challenge makes absolutely no sense. The plaintiffs make no sense. Which is why the court will probably agree with the plaintiffs and gut the federal subsidies.

I think the fact the SCOTUS swooped in like a flock of starving vultures on 8 day old road kill to take up the case speaks volumes. The Scalia Gang are nothing but dedicated to their judicial activism.

What kills me is that whatever solution the GOP comes up with, it most like likely will be the ACA with the name plate changed.

Swear to Christ, it’ll be like someone taking away your serviceable Honda (not the best, but gets you to Point B from Point A without having to walk), and they replace with it a junker with the name “Honda” spray painted on the hood.

175 Mattand  Mar 4, 2015 6:53:27am

re: #172 Varek Raith

No.
:P

There’s cookies. I hit Command Shift B and baked them myself.

176 Mattand  Mar 4, 2015 6:54:43am

LOL, let’s see how long Charles’s servers take to update a typo!

177 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 4, 2015 6:55:25am

re: #170 Mattand

Come to the keyboard side!!!!

WordStar.

178 Mattand  Mar 4, 2015 6:56:01am

re: #177 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

WordStar.

That’s not a word processor; it’s a space station!!!

179 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 4, 2015 6:56:06am

re: #177 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

WordStar.

vi

180 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 4, 2015 6:57:58am

re: #179 The Mother Of All Pies

vi

emacs

181 lawhawk  Mar 4, 2015 6:58:43am

re: #177 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

WordPerfect. v.1

182 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 4, 2015 6:59:25am

re: #160 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Oy. Cosmetic surgeons are not only arrogant, they also make a shit-ton of money without the hassles of dealing with insurance companies. Most of their clientele comes for elective surgery, cash in hand.

This outfit would not take insurance, period. One of the projects I undertook was making the practice HIPAA compliant which was when I found out that the top surgeon and owner apparently suffered physical pain when he had to spend more than fifty bucks for a new piece of gear. This man lived in a seven million dollar beach house, owned a home in Aspen, etc. because he deserved such things whereas I was an irresponsible nerd who was just wanted new toys.

183 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mar 4, 2015 6:59:35am

re: #180 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

emacs

edlin

184 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 4, 2015 7:00:58am

From the Alabama SC SSM decision:

It accused other courts of employing “sleight of hand” to confer “fundamental-rights status on a concept of marriage divorced from its traditional understanding.”

So expanding rights is bad. Except don’t tread on me. Freedom. Less government. And gun rights. And here is our Personhood Bill Law to guarantee all the Constitutional rights at the moment of conception.

//

185 Timothy Watson  Mar 4, 2015 7:01:39am

You kids with your mouses. I remember using programs which didn’t even support a mouse!

(I am 27 but I’ve been using computers since I was 4 or so.)

186 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 4, 2015 7:03:12am

re: #185 Timothy Watson

You kids with your mouses. I remember using programs which didn’t even support a mouse!

(I am 27 but I’ve been using computers since I was 4 or so.)

I remember using a computer that did not have a monitor, but a paper roll output (PDP-11)

GET OFF MY LAWN!!

187 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mar 4, 2015 7:03:57am

re: #186 The Mother Of All Pies

I remember using a computer that did not have a monitor, but a paper roll output (PDP-11)

GET OFF MY LAWN!!

Punch cards.

188 Timothy Watson  Mar 4, 2015 7:04:18am

Speaking of keyboards, the Final Jeopardy question last night: The one state which can be spelled using only one row on a standard keyboard.

I figured it out, but after the time ran out but before the one person who got it right’s answer was revealed. :/

189 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 7:05:55am

re: #188 Timothy Watson

Alaska, of course.

190 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 4, 2015 7:07:31am

re: #187 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Punch cards.

I used those too.

191 Timothy Watson  Mar 4, 2015 7:07:57am

re: #187 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Punch cards.

My dad, who graduated from VCU way back in the early and mid ’70s (associate’s degree in 1972 and bachelor’s in 1975 I think) talks about hating using the punch cards because he wouldn’t get a notice of an error until the program had ran and messing up the order of the cards.

Reminds me of this clip from “The Simpsons”:
criticalcommons.org

192 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 7:08:26am

Hey, I used a Wang word processor. That’s how old I am. : )

193 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 4, 2015 7:09:23am

re: #163 Mattand

yeah I’m also in a very sunshiny mood today, all week really. I think it’s because my body expects the weather to be nicer, to start to feel like Spring. But the Baltimore-DC corridor is supposed to get 4-8 inches of snow tonight, there is still ice on the ground all over, and my FO who has cancer is not eating again and the cancer appears to have moved to her eye. Took her to the vet yesterday because of her not eating and because she had the sneezes and vet noticed the eye. So I’ll probably try to end up taking her to the vet specialist tomorrow during the snow. Poor sweet baby has had such a tough time this past year.

194 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mar 4, 2015 7:09:30am

re: #190 The Mother Of All Pies

I used those too.

I came in just as punch cards were going out. The company I worked for required card decks for certain large-output debugging jobs, mostly to make the process so annoying that only the absolutely necessary jobs got submitted.

195 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 4, 2015 7:09:41am

re: #187 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Punch cards.

COBOL. Learned it when I was in my twenties and then moved on. Made me some nice side money in the run up to Y2K.

196 lawhawk  Mar 4, 2015 7:09:44am

re: #192 Justanotherhuman

Heh, you’re not alone in that. I remember using tape cassettes for storing data/programs. And when floppy disks came out, you could put a whopping 360k on them. If you knew how to hack them, you could get double sided disks - 720k.

197 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mar 4, 2015 7:10:49am

re: #192 Justanotherhuman

Hey, I used a Wang word processor. That’s how old I am. : )

I’m so old I remember this joke:

“Did you know that there are personal computers in the Bible?”
“No. Where?”
“In the Garden of Eden. Eve had an Apple and Adam had a Wang.”

198 darthstar  Mar 4, 2015 7:11:06am
199 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 7:11:44am
I can’t believe I used this relic
200 Dr. Matt  Mar 4, 2015 7:11:48am

My first exposure to computers was this state-of-the-art machine in grade school in the late 70s/early 80s.

201 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 4, 2015 7:15:38am

Hail showers here on the Rhine

202 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 4, 2015 7:17:48am

PDP-8 in high school, IBM punch cards at university, Comptronic (?) word processing system for newspapers — those were my computer experiences before my dad bought each of us a Commodore VIC-20 in like 1981 or so.

203 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 4, 2015 7:18:52am

My first home computer was a TRS-80 with a 300-baud acoustic coupler.

204 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 7:19:25am

Look at these idiots…

nbcnews.com

205 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 4, 2015 7:20:33am

re: #203 The Mother Of All Pies

My first home computer was a TRS-80 with a 300-baud acoustic coupler.

I remember what a thrill getting a 14,400-baud modem was.

206 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Mar 4, 2015 7:21:09am

One of the few things I remember about Drexel University (I went there for three years) was learned FORTAN in computer science I. That was 1983. In 2012, Computer science ! at Community College of Philadelphia was all about Office. By far more useful.

207 ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2015 7:22:01am

I was dragged into the computer world when the shift in graphic arts was beginning to go to computers around 1990. First computer I used had DOS loaded and Windows 3. I had no clue what I was doing but I dove in and started banging. I found out being logical helped, so it didn’t take long to understand how they worked.

Thinking back, one of the things that helped me learn about computers was having to learn DOS commands. That taught me all about command structure which made me understand what I was doing with a mouse touching those neat little icons.

As I have mentioned before, the other thing that really helped me was having to use DOS/Windows and Intel PCs instead of Macs which were dominant in the graphics world. It was tough getting output so I had to learn all kinds of tricks that a Mac user would never need. It all taught me a lot.

And I was also glad that I came from the old-school of typesetting, paste-up, film-based photography, air-brush retouching, etc. because I actually knew what a lot of Photoshop and Pagemaker (typesetting) tools and terms meant.

A lot of folks have no idea that dodging and burning, unsharp masking, etc were old time tricks used in developing photo prints.

I knoes mah roots!

And now I need to go and actually do something with all of this stuff. Later! I’ll be checking in to see what’s going on with things like the ACA…

208 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 4, 2015 7:22:23am

re: #206 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

One of the few things I remember about Drexel University (I went there for three years) was learned FORTAN in computer science I. That was 1983. In 2012, Computer science ! at Community College of Philadelphia was all about Office. By far more useful.

My first 2 jobs were programming in FORTRAN.

209 Nyet  Mar 4, 2015 7:23:23am

Brain surgeon without a brain. You can’t explain that!

210 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 4, 2015 7:23:32am

Oh and graphics.

I used to program graphics charts pixel by pixel on an amber monochrome VT220 terminal.

Now I program using MS Chart Controls.

211 Dr. Matt  Mar 4, 2015 7:24:06am

re: #204 Justanotherhuman

Look at these idiots…

nbcnews.com

Look at the eyes. Empty eyes. Lights are on, but no one is home. Scary.

212 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 4, 2015 7:24:19am

re: #209 Nyet

Brain surgeon without a brain. You can’t explain that!

And he hates healthcare for people, too.

213 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 4, 2015 7:24:36am

re: #204 Justanotherhuman

Look at these idiots…

nbcnews.com

From the BBC:

Independent studies by the Urban Institute and the Rand Corporation estimate eight million people would lose insurance if the court rules for the plaintiff.

There will be a lot of very angry people if the Court rules the wrong way. I hope the Democrats can make it clear who was responsible.

214 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 4, 2015 7:26:00am

re: #213 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

From the BBC:

There will be a lot of very angry people if the Court rules the wrong way. I hope the Democrats can make it clear who was responsible.

The Democrats will try, but the people will come to understand that it was Obama’s fault for letting them think they were worthy of it in the first place.

215 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 4, 2015 7:26:11am

re: #206 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

One of the few things I remember about Drexel University (I went there for three years) was learned FORTAN in computer science I. That was 1983. In 2012, Computer science ! at Community College of Philadelphia was all about Office. By far more useful.

Believe it or not, all university students in China are required to pass a national computer science exam .. in Visual FoxPro.

216 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 4, 2015 7:27:20am

re: #213 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

From the BBC:

There will be a lot of very angry people if the Court rules the wrong way. I hope the Democrats can make it clear who was responsible.

I am not filled with confidence.

217 lawhawk  Mar 4, 2015 7:27:40am
218 Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2015 7:28:31am

re: #216 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I am not filled with confidence.

Neither am I. I think too many will take serious all the Republican BS about having a “plan” ready in time for the ruling’s announcement in June, or think they can work with Republicans to come up with one.

219 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 4, 2015 7:30:29am

re: #216 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I am not filled with confidence.

Nor am I. The Democrats do a crappy job in pointing fingers at the GOP, and using GOP sabotage to the Dems’ own advantage.

220 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 4, 2015 7:32:06am

re: #218 Targetpractice

Neither am I. I think too many will take serious all the Republican BS about having a “plan” ready in time for the ruling’s announcement in June, or think they can work with Republicans to come up with one.

I suspect some states would act to create their own exchanges to be eligible for the subsidies. I just expect the GOP congress to demand, again, Full Repeal!!!!1.

221 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 7:32:42am

My first home computer was a Mac Quadra. For a $2K investment, it wasn’t as good as this $400 laptop and ran on a 27K dial-up modem. It didn’t support very much software and I couldn’t email resumes without them being garbled on the other end. Don’t know why I bought it in the first place and spent so much money. The monitor conked out after 3 yrs and I was unable to replace it, even bought a battery replacement and that didn’t work.

222 Timothy Watson  Mar 4, 2015 7:33:43am

re: #201 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Hail showers here on the Rhine

“Hail showers on the Rhine” would be a great title for an alternative history book.

223 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Mar 4, 2015 7:34:19am

re: #220 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I suspect some states would act to create their own exchanges to be eligible for the subsidies. I just expect the GOP congress to demand, again, Full Repeal!!!!1.

I doubt the red states will create exchanges. The GOP is in lockstep nationally.

224 Dr. Matt  Mar 4, 2015 7:39:37am

The Party that hates the government and government “overreach” is now having a meltdown over someone using a private email account. How cute.

225 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 4, 2015 7:39:47am

Back in the office today and I get to hear the person in the office next to me cackling on the phone all day.

Just shoot me.

226 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 4, 2015 7:40:36am

klys will like this

227 Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2015 7:40:40am

re: #220 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I suspect some states would act to create their own exchanges to be eligible for the subsidies. I just expect the GOP congress to demand, again, Full Repeal!!!!1.

I don’t see many states rushing to create exchanges, even those red states that have given in on the Medicaid expansion, due to the cost and technical issues. Perhaps they might try an end-run by passing laws that say the federal exchange will be treated as a state exchange, but I expect the same forces behind King will file lawsuits in those states.

228 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 7:41:22am

re: #224 Dr. Matt

Yeah, they’re going full bore on Hillary/Benghazi! Liberal press, for ya.

229 Jenner7  Mar 4, 2015 7:41:39am

re: #188 Timothy Watson

Ha! We paused it and took a minute and a half staring at my keyboard. lol My daughter started naming off states in alphabetical order and we got it.

230 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 4, 2015 7:43:17am

re: #227 Targetpractice

I don’t see many states rushing to create exchanges, even those red states that have given in on the Medicaid expansion, due to the cost and technical issues. Perhaps they might try an end-run by passing laws that say the federal exchange will be treated as a state exchange, but I expect the same forces behind King will file lawsuits in those states.

Don’t Tred on me by making me eligible for subsidies!!!!1

231 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 7:44:35am

Wut?

US Justice Anthony Kennedy says there is a ‘serious constitutional problem’ with health care law challenge, says may win anyway - @Reuters
end of alert

232 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 4, 2015 7:44:50am

What would happen if Ben Carson & Bryan Fischer would be locked in a cell together?

233 #FergusonFireside  Mar 4, 2015 7:45:30am

So Roorda was on Carol Costello this am. He was pretty much speechless, spurting a couple of bullshit lines, & she called him on it. I have no idea what he was planning to say to justify the DOJ report.

When I first saw him I was AAARGH, then he face planted.

234 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 7:45:51am

Shouldn’t these be labeled “supporters” of ACA?

235 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 4, 2015 7:46:15am

re: #232 The Mother Of All Pies

What would happen if Ben Carson & Bryan Fischer would be locked in a cell together?

The Gay Gestapo will now set out to destroy Ben Carson. Kristallnacht continues.

Fischerspeak for the uninitiated:

“Destroy” = “making person own up to their idiotic statements”

236 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2015 7:46:39am
237 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2015 7:48:27am
238 Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2015 7:50:19am

re: #231 Justanotherhuman

Wut?

US Justice Anthony Kennedy says there is a ‘serious constitutional problem’ with health care law challenge, says may win anyway - @Reuters
end of alert

“May win”? Why, because you’re an ideological hack, Kennedy?

239 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 7:50:52am

re: #237 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yeah, it appears Kennedy may be the key, but see above: It appears he may rule for the challengers if the 4 liberals don’t convince him about context.

240 Mattand  Mar 4, 2015 7:51:17am

re: #193 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Ugh. Sorry to hear that. Hope everything works out.

241 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2015 7:51:19am

re: #237 Backwoods_Sleuth

What Kennedy said:

…Justice Kennedy expressed deep concern with a system where the statute would potentially destroy the insurance system in states that chose not to establish their own exchanges - likening this to an unconstitutional form of federal coercion. While Justice Kennedy also suggested that perhaps this reading could not be avoided, his skepticism suggests that both sides will be trying hard to get his critical vote.

242 #FergusonFireside  Mar 4, 2015 7:51:33am

Did the the legitimacy of the petitioners come up yet? Sorry, working & reading quickly.

243 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 4, 2015 7:51:42am

Actually not.

244 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 4, 2015 7:52:22am

re: #116 Targetpractice

It really is a testament to how shred a conman Churchill could be that he’s convinced history of just how “right” he was about Hitler, despite the reality being that Chamberlain made the best deal he could manage. There was no “better deal” in 1938, it was either give Hitler what he demanded or go to war. There was no third option, no squeezing him until he agreed to their terms.

There is still a debate about whether Hitler and Germany should have been confronted in 1938 (or 1936) as compared to waiting until 1939 (as was done historically.)

Shirer’s _Rise and Fall of the Third Reich_ is of the former in arguing that while England and France were weak in 1938, so still was Germany in terms of rearming and having their army and air force built up. Especially so since they had not yet subsumed the Czechaslovakian arms industry and tank production capabilities. Along with the standard discussion on what would have happened if Hitler’s bluster would have been called at an earlier point - would the generals have been willing to turn on him?

France and England were wary of war due to the Depression and the lingering effects of the carnage of WW1. Germany was still suffering from that as well. And Hitler’s reputation was still not at its peak from challenging the other European powers and watching them back down again and again.

245 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 7:52:54am

re: #243 The Mother Of All Pies

Well, my position is that man made up God, so…we can change our minds any time we please.

246 RealityBasedSteve  Mar 4, 2015 7:53:21am

I’m going out for a coffee. Anybody want anything?

RBS

247 Mattand  Mar 4, 2015 7:53:49am

re: #205 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I remember what a thrill getting a 14,400-baud modem was.

My first tech-savvy, I-know-what-I’m-doing hardware purchase was a 28.8 modem that could be flash ROMd to 33.6, or whatever it was.

248 Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2015 7:54:30am

re: #243 The Mother Of All Pies

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God defined it last week, in one of Brother Fischer’s dreams. You weren’t there.

249 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 7:55:18am

Fischer and those like him really need to get the fuck over it. This whole idea about “God” deeming gay marriage unnatural. Well assholes, you and your ideological ancestors argued that the Bible forbade interracial marriage. And furthermore what the Bible says has no bearing on secular law. I know it chaps your ass Bryan but we don’t live in a society like Saudi Arabia where the church and state are joined at the hip.

250 Dr. Matt  Mar 4, 2015 7:55:24am

re: #228 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, they’re going full bore on Hillary/Benghazi! Liberal press, for ya.

Morning Joe had a Benghazi-orgasm live on TV.

251 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 4, 2015 7:55:29am

re: #122 Justanotherhuman

So, why aren’t you investigating this, GG?

Brazil seeks to investigate 54 politicians in Petrobras scandal - @AFP
france24.com

That’s a pretty big internal one brewing there. And it has been expanding over to other industries. With a general muzzling effect on the Brazilian economy.

Seeing that here since the company I work for is 40-some% owned by Petrobras. And since they use Petrobras feedstock for making plastics there are other effects since there are a number of contracts that need to be settled with the approval of the new Petrobras CEO, who is not a oil guy.

252 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 4, 2015 7:55:32am

re: #240 Mattand

Thanks

253 lawhawk  Mar 4, 2015 7:56:20am

re: #242 #FergusonFireside

Standing has come up in a couple of instances.

blogs.wsj.com

I’m not sure about Kennedy though. According to this:

Justice Kennedy says he sees “a serious constitutional problem” in the idea Congress would force states to set up exchanges or risk their residents losing tax credits. The suggestion could spell trouble for the challengers. In the prior health-care ruling, the court said Congress can’t put excessive financial pressure on states to do certain things.

That seems to actually work in Obamacare’s favor because the forced reading by the right wingers that this drafting error would invalidate the subsidies, which is something that the Court has previously said that Congress can’t do.

254 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 4, 2015 7:56:38am

re: #243 The Mother Of All Pies

God has defined marriage as the union of one man and one woman. What he has defined, man may not redefine.]

You may continue to refuse to acknowledge that gay people are married in the eyes of the Lord, but you must accept that they are married in the eyes of the law.

255 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 7:58:04am

re: #254 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

You may continue to refuse to acknowledge that gay people are married in the eyes of the Lord, but you must accept that they are married in the eyes of the law.

Exactly. He’s free to believe what he wants to believe about gay couples in a religious sense but he cannot use his religious beliefs as the reason for denying them the secular benefits and name of marriage. He also needs to come out of the closet.

256 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 4, 2015 7:59:19am

re: #149 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

That’s just plain cool. I like billionaires who use their vast wealth and obsessions to give something back to the world, even if there is no obvious practical use for it.

As long as Allen doesn’t turn into a real life Captain Nemo, at least.

I wonder what Japan’s reaction has been to the discovery.

Should be declared a war grave and left alone.

257 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 4, 2015 8:01:45am

re: #255 HappyWarrior

Exactly. He’s free to believe what he wants to believe about gay couples in a religious sense but he cannot use his religious beliefs as the reason for denying them the secular benefits and name of marriage. He also needs to come out of the closet.

There was a time when the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony and the civil status of marriage were identical. But not in a modern, secular society.

Which is the root cause of most of BF’s gripes.

258 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 8:03:22am

re: #257 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

There was a time when the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony and the civil status of marriage were identical. But not in a modern, secular society.

Which is the root cause of most of BF’s gripes.

Yeah he can’t accept that we’re a secular society. That’s the basis of his and the RR’s whole gripe with our society.

259 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2015 8:03:24am
260 Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2015 8:03:40am

re: #256 Feline Fearless Leader

Should be declared a war grave and left alone.

The rules for that exist, but it didn’t save the Japanese ships in Truk lagoon from pretty grotesque semi-pro exploration.

261 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 8:04:55am

Speaking of law though. I feel like I did quite well at my DOJ interview today and my interviewer thinks I’d be a great fit for the human rights subdivision. Sounds like genuinely exciting work- going after war criminals and such.

262 Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2015 8:07:01am

re: #244 Feline Fearless Leader

A successful coup that removed Hitler from power would pretty much be the best case scenario. Thing is, nobody at Munich really believed that Britain or France had the stomach for another war. Even if their leaders did, the people back home didn’t. If anything, Chamberlain trying to act tough might have emboldened Hitler to declare war on Czechoslovakia and dare Britain and France to stop him.

263 Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2015 8:07:41am

re: #261 HappyWarrior

Speaking of law though. I feel like I did quite well at my DOJ interview today and my interviewer thinks I’d be a great fit for the human rights subdivision. Sounds like genuinely exciting work- going after war criminals and such.

Hope you dressed properly.

264 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 8:10:54am

re: #262 Targetpractice

A successful coup that removed Hitler from power would pretty much be the best case scenario. Thing is, nobody at Munich really believed that Britain or France had the stomach for another war. Even if their leaders did, the people back home didn’t. If anything, Chamberlain trying to act tough might have emboldened Hitler to declare war on Czechoslovakia and dare Britain and France to stop him.

There’s a lot of hindsight bias done honestly. Americans especially who put down Chamberlain and his French counterpart(forgetting his name at the moment) ignore that those two countries especially France had been decimated by the first world war. We certainly lost a good number of men in WWI but Americans who deride the French as cowards forget how big of a price the French population paid in WWI. That’s a big part of why I really resented the attacks on the French leading up to the Iraq War.

265 WhatEVs  Mar 4, 2015 8:11:03am

re: #72 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I was using Firefox for a long time. Then, when FF continued to have a memory leak problem, I switched to Chrome. Then Chrome started to eat up RAM. Plus I was having problems with Chrome and LGF’s bells and whistles, so I switched to Opera. I still use FF, because the latest iteration seems not to gobble up RAM, but Opera has become my LGF browser because everything works.

Except the Pages bookmarklet. I have no idea where it goes in Opera.

Look up Pale Moon. It is a Firefox based browser where your FF addons will function, but it is cleaner and faster.

266 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 8:11:23am

re: #263 Decatur Deb

Hope you dressed properly.

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Ha I didn’t know it was going to be human rights until he brought it up. Knew it was criminal division and that was it.

267 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 4, 2015 8:11:54am

re: #249 HappyWarrior

Fischer and those like him really need to get the fuck over it. This whole idea about “God” deeming gay marriage unnatural. Well assholes, you and your ideological ancestors argued that the Bible forbade interracial marriage. And furthermore what the Bible says has no bearing on secular law. I know it chaps your ass Bryan but we don’t live in a society like Saudi Arabia where the church and state are joined at the hip.

And that fact that it is not joined at the hip (with them in charge - or at least with massive influence) is the main thing they think is wrong with America.
//

268 lawhawk  Mar 4, 2015 8:12:13am

Kagan’s hypothetical shows the BS reading by the right wingers. Context matters:

Imagine I tell law clerk A to write a memo, and law clerk B to edit law clerk A’s memo, and then I tell law clerk C to write such memo if law clerk A is too busy. And imagine that happens - law clerk A is too busy, so law clerk C writes it. Should law clerk B edit it? The answer seemed obvious: of course, and Justice Kagan all but told petitioner’s counsel (and her clerks) that they would be fired if they didn’t do their job under those circumstances. In response, petitioner’s counsel said that the context mattered, and it would depend on whether the Justice was indifferent between law clerk A and law clerk C writing the memo in the first instance. But that seemed to play into Justice Kagan’s hand, who made clear that this was her point - that in understanding this text, the context obviously mattered.

The right wingers clearly want to see ACA destroyed, and will more than willingly use a BS argument to do so. Kagan exposed it as such.

269 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 8:14:20am

re: #268 lawhawk

Kagan’s hypothetical shows the BS reading by the right wingers. Context matters:

The right wingers clearly want to see ACA destroyed, and will more than willingly use a BS argument to do so. Kagan exposed it as such.

Obama did really well with her and Sotomayor. I hope he can get one more appointment before he leaves office though it will be tough with the GOP controlling the Senate but then again we haven’t seen a senate rejection of a nominee since Bork and Bork was much more extreme than anyone Obama would pick though the right would certainly make out his pick no matter how moderate out to be Earl Warren on steroids.

270 #FergusonFireside  Mar 4, 2015 8:14:30am

re: #261 HappyWarrior

Speaking of law though. I feel like I did quite well at my DOJ interview today and my interviewer thinks I’d be a great fit for the human rights subdivision. Sounds like genuinely exciting work- going after war criminals and such.

That would be a great job. Good thoughts & good luck.

271 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 4, 2015 8:15:01am

re: #260 Decatur Deb

The rules for that exist, but it didn’t save the Japanese ships in Truk lagoon from pretty grotesque semi-pro exploration.

Mix of a few things there:
1. IIRC, most of the sunk ships at Truk are merchant ships and not warships. That appears to somehow make a difference.
2. Have any of those sites been declared war graves?
3. One you have the declaration you need local law enforcement backing it up. And probably needing some help ($?) to do so.

And I half-suspect the local authorities may not want to ban the diving since it is probably a tourist attraction and a source of income.

272 Varek Raith  Mar 4, 2015 8:15:05am

re: #261 HappyWarrior

Speaking of law though. I feel like I did quite well at my DOJ interview today and my interviewer thinks I’d be a great fit for the human rights subdivision. Sounds like genuinely exciting work- going after war criminals and such.

You’re a lawyer???

273 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 8:15:38am

re: #272 Varek Raith

You’re a lawyer???

Nope paralegal in training. the position is admin related so I’d be assisting lawyers though with the usual.

274 GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 4, 2015 8:18:32am

re: #243 The Mother Of All Pies

Don’t remind him that the Bible was written by… Men!

275 Varek Raith  Mar 4, 2015 8:20:14am

re: #273 HappyWarrior

Nope paralegal in training. the position is admin related so I’d be assisting lawyers though with the usual.

Ok.
Because if you were…
PEWPEWPEW!
/

276 lawhawk  Mar 4, 2015 8:20:25am

Gov. Christie is lucky I wasn’t in town to give him a piece of my mind at today’s open house in Fair Lawn.

Between his BS on pensions, and now this, he’s showing anything but fiscal responsibility. Stealing from Peter to pay Paul isn’t fiscal responsibility. That’s how we got into this mess in the first place.

On the pension mess, how can anyone trust Christie when after signing pension reform, the first thing he did was go back on that signature deal and chopped the pension fund payment in half because he didn’t want to raise taxes. Screw obligations.

And it’s no wonder the state’s credit rating (which increases costs to borrow as the rating sinks) has been cut nonstop since he took office.

277 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 8:20:47am

re: #274 GlutenFreeJesus

Don’t remind him that the Bible was written by… Men!

Nuh uh, Fischer’s Bible was autographed by God at a book signing he went to at a Boise Barnes and Noble.On second thought, it was Phil Robertson not God.

278 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 4, 2015 8:20:55am

re: #264 HappyWarrior

There’s a lot of hindsight bias done honestly. Americans especially who put down Chamberlain and his French counterpart(forgetting his name at the moment) ignore that those two countries especially France had been decimated by the first world war. We certainly lost a good number of men in WWI but Americans who deride the French as cowards forget how big of a price the French population paid in WWI. That’s a big part of why I really resented the attacks on the French leading up to the Iraq War.

It’s unclear how things could (or would) have played out. An earlier war might have dragged out and led to a lot more internal dissent in both France and England. Germany might have removed Hitler, or buckled down and fought with fewer resources.* And then you have Russia in the mix as well. No one may have wanted a war at that point, but then you fight with what you have.

I do think the US would have stayed out of it as far as possible. But, we also did a lot of trade with Europe and the same thing happens as happened in WW1. The UK blockades Germany, Germany starts unrestricted submarine warfare in the North Sea and western approaches to England. Constant friction point.

And with the mechanical technology a few years younger we might also end up using poison gas again since blitzkrieg might not be possible yet.

Plus, if Hitler does get removed by a coup - who/what replaces him?

279 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 4, 2015 8:21:01am

re: #274 GlutenFreeJesus

Don’t remind him that the Bible was written by… Men!

Book of Esther was written by a woman.

280 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 8:21:16am

re: #275 Varek Raith

Ok.
Because if you were…
PEWPEWPEW!
/

Hahaha no offense taken. You don’t want a lawyer that gets nervous in front of large groups.

281 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 4, 2015 8:21:52am

ASSHOLE==>

282 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 8:23:04am

re: #278 Feline Fearless Leader

It’s unclear how things could (or would) have played out. An earlier war might have dragged out and led to a lot more internal dissent in both France and England. Germany might have removed Hitler, or buckled down and fought with fewer resources.* And then you have Russia in the mix as well. No one may have wanted a war at that point, but then you fight with what you have.

I do think the US would have stayed out of it as far as possible. But, we also did a lot of trade with Europe and the same thing happens as happened in WW1. The UK blockades Germany, Germany starts unrestricted submarine warfare in the North Sea and western approaches to England. Constant friction point.

And with the mechanical technology a few years younger we might also end up using poison gas again since blitzkrieg might not be possible yet.

Plus, if Hitler does get removed by a coup - who/what replaces him?

Yeah there’s a lot of what ifs. Great point about what would have happened if Hitler got removed. And while I don’t want to put down the German internal opposition to Hitler within the armed forces, these guys weren’t totally great guys. Many of them still had their eyes on restoring the German empire to what it had been in WWI and frankly some of their mistrust of Hitler was due to their classism.

283 Varek Raith  Mar 4, 2015 8:23:51am

re: #282 HappyWarrior

Yeah there’s a lot of what ifs. Great point about what would have happened if Hitler got removed. And while I don’t want to put down the German internal opposition to Hitler within the armed forces, these guys weren’t totally great guys. Many of them still had their eyes on restoring the German empire to what it had been in WWI and frankly some of their mistrust of Hitler was due to their classism.

Play Red Alert.
/

284 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2015 8:25:36am
285 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 4, 2015 8:26:33am

SELF-AWARENESS, HE HAS NONE==>

286 WhatEVs  Mar 4, 2015 8:27:16am

re: #147 Dr. Matt

Carson realizes his stock will rise by making more and more offensive and inflammatory comments.

He’s auditioning for a full time gig with the best paying outfit in the wingnut welfare state.

287 Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2015 8:27:38am

re: #278 Feline Fearless Leader

Considering most of the top generals at that time, including those considering a coup in ‘38, were from the aristocracy, I imagine that they would have chosen to put a new Kaiser on the throne and took another swing at a constitutional monarchy. Or perhaps put Goering in charge, as he was “moderate” by comparison to Hitler.

But again, that assumes that a coup happened. It could just as well have been a case that Hitler marched into Prague and nobody stopped him. The “ethnic Germans” argument was still taken seriously in Britain and France, making an argument for war to satisfy treaty conditions that much harder. And any attempt by the Soviets to intervene would have required passing through Poland, which was pretty much not gonna happen.

288 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 4, 2015 8:27:53am

Got another valentine==>

289 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 8:28:33am

re: #285 The Mother Of All Pies

SELF-AWARENESS, HE HAS NONE==>

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Says the man who has been on his knees for fundies for his entire career as a pundit.

290 Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2015 8:28:41am

re: #284 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So now we’re gambling on Roberts’ silence and Kennedy’s discomfort.

Oh boy.

291 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 8:30:07am

I really hope a Democrat gets to choose the next Chief Justice. upholding ACA aside, Roberts has been awful.

292 Nyet  Mar 4, 2015 8:30:27am

re: #288 The Mother Of All Pies

Oh yes, he’s an MF, he’s so edgy.

293 Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2015 8:30:48am

re: #271 Feline Fearless Leader

Mix of a few things there:
1. IIRC, most of the sunk ships at Truk are merchant ships and not warships. That appears to somehow make a difference.
2. Have any of those sites been declared war graves?
3. One you have the declaration you need local law enforcement backing it up. And probably needing some help ($?) to do so.

And I half-suspect the local authorities may not want to ban the diving since it is probably a tourist attraction and a source of income.

Definitely for warships, but can’t imagine most transports there didn’t have AA at least. This is literally a sea-lawyer issue.

There is also the concept that warships always remain the property of the combatant, which has complicated deep-past treasure diving.

Your #3 is the driver, most likely.

(Side note: One of my anthro/archaeology professors was a USN LCDR in WWII. He wound up the administrator for one of the Trust archipelagos, Truk, IIRC.)

294 Romantic Heretic  Mar 4, 2015 8:31:15am

re: #154 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Yeah, I know a couple of surgeons, too. They’re a cocky bunch. Within their specialty, that’s a good thing. Once outside their specialty, they’re just insufferable.

But Carson is a special case. He’s a pulpit-thumping brain surgeon; he’s extra cocky (and insufferable) because he has God on his side.

He’s not the kind of man who should lead a democratic, pluralistic country.

Expertise in one field does not carry over into other fields. But experts often think so. The narrower their field of knowledge the more likely they are to think so. - Robert A. Heinlein

295 lawhawk  Mar 4, 2015 8:33:05am

The right wing lawyer’s spouting off more BS:

That flies in the face of studies that shows that without subsidies, there would be a death spiral.

296 Timothy Watson  Mar 4, 2015 8:36:29am

re: #287 Targetpractice

Considering most of the top generals at that time, including those considering a coup in ‘38, were from the aristocracy, I imagine that they would have chosen to put a new Kaiser on the throne and took another swing at a constitutional monarchy. Or perhaps put Goering in charge, as he was “moderate” by comparison to Hitler.

But again, that assumes that a coup happened. It could just as well have been a case that Hitler marched into Prague and nobody stopped him. The “ethnic Germans” argument was still taken seriously in Britain and France, making an argument for war to satisfy treaty conditions that much harder. And any attempt by the Soviets to intervene would have required passing through Poland, which was pretty much not gonna happen.

And if the Soviets had tried anything, I would wager that the United Kingdom and France would have been more hostile to the Soviets than Hitler.

297 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 4, 2015 8:36:31am

re: #287 Targetpractice

Considering most of the top generals at that time, including those considering a coup in ‘38, were from the aristocracy, I imagine that they would have chosen to put a new Kaiser on the throne and took another swing at a constitutional monarchy. Or perhaps put Goering in charge, as he was “moderate” by comparison to Hitler.

But again, that assumes that a coup happened. It could just as well have been a case that Hitler marched into Prague and nobody stopped him. The “ethnic Germans” argument was still taken seriously in Britain and France, making an argument for war to satisfy treaty conditions that much harder. And any attempt by the Soviets to intervene would have required passing through Poland, which was pretty much not gonna happen.

It didn’t happen, so it’s hard to tell.

From my reading it boils down to the political leadership in England being more complex than the very simplistic “Chamberlain coward, Churchill hero (or blowhard)”. They had to balance economic issues, the discovered necessity to start rearming post-1934, the ongoing naval building race*, and then the eventual transition to a “war prime minister”** when it became clear that they were going to fight a war.

* - Mainly US-UK-Japan, but others involved since UK had to potentially also deal with France or Italy in the Med.

** - Of which the general consent was that Churchill was going to be a better one than Chamberlain. And once the war was one they dumped Churchill pretty quickly. (And of note, Churchill wasn’t sitting to the side and just yapping from 1938-1940. He was running the navy at the start of the war and there was not a “sitzkrieg” in the Atlantic in 1940. The naval war started on Sept 1, 1939 and did not let up.

298 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 4, 2015 8:38:59am

re: #295 lawhawk

The right wing lawyer’s spouting off more BS:

That flies in the face of studies that shows that without subsidies, there would be a death spiral.

The state markets will be fine, nothing will change or happen, but its really important to gut the subsidies anyway. ////

299 Nyet  Mar 4, 2015 8:40:57am

What a stupid article: newsweek.com

300 Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2015 8:41:56am

re: #297 Feline Fearless Leader

Actually it was at best a three way leadership battle. Churchill was the warhawk, convinced that Britain stood ready to go to war even in ‘38. Lord Halifax knew Britain wasn’t ready and felt the only option was to maintain the peace as long as possible. And Chamberlain was somewhere in the middle, committed to rearming Britain with an expectation that war was on the horizon. But, like his French counterparts, he didn’t expect war to happen much sooner than 1941. Oddly enough, that’s roughly when Hitler’s generals had also expected to be prepared for war.

301 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 4, 2015 8:43:46am

re: #290 Targetpractice

So now we’re gambling on Roberts’ silence and Kennedy’s discomfort.

Oh boy.

yeah I don’t know how much to make of these reports. We’ll know what happens when it happens.

302 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 4, 2015 8:44:09am

Oh look, the “we will take our ball and go home” defense. Probably with a large scoop of “look what you made us do!”

Alabama County suspends all marriage licenses

303 WhatEVs  Mar 4, 2015 8:44:45am

re: #234 Justanotherhuman

Shouldn’t these be labeled “supporters” of ACA?

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re: #236 Backwoods_Sleuth

Here’s the thing about healthcare and the SCOTUS. Do insurance companies benefit and profit from the ACA? If the answer is yes, it will be upheld. I don’t think the RATS care about people getting healthcare. But they do care about corporate profits.

304 lawhawk  Mar 4, 2015 8:45:35am

Not a State Farm commercial (from Yellowstone NP):

Amateur photographer Tom Carter of Dallas, Texas, recorded the entire incident and uploaded the video to YouTube. The video shows the buffalo coming straight at the Nissan Xterra.

Carter, who was in the vehicle with at the time with a friend, thinks the buffalo were being agitated by cars.

“I really thought they were just going to run right by. After he rammed us, the other two just stopped,” Carter told USA Today. “I just happened to be in the right place at the wrong time.”

Carter says the bison was fine after the collision.

…

305 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 8:46:02am

re: #302 Feline Fearless Leader

Oh look, the “we will take our ball and go home” defense. Probably with a large scoop of “look what you made us do!”

Alabama County suspends all marriage licenses

Oh for fuck sake. Just let the gays marry and get over your pathetic bigotry already.

306 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 4, 2015 8:47:07am

re: #300 Targetpractice

Actually it was at best a three way leadership battle. Churchill was the warhawk, convinced that Britain stood ready to go to war even in ‘38. Lord Halifax knew Britain wasn’t ready and felt the only option was to maintain the peace as long as possible. And Chamberlain was somewhere in the middle, committed to rearming Britain with an expectation that war was on the horizon. But, like his French counterparts, he didn’t expect war to happen much sooner than 1941. Oddly enough, that’s roughly when Hitler’s generals had also expected to be prepared for war.

True. Halifax was in the mix too. But he also had some connections that were pro-Hitler and thus that was an issue as well. UK-Germany has pretty much always had a cushy aristocrat-industrialist group that got along real well with each other since the 1850s or so. Two countries that heavily industrialized and their nobility was heavily related to each other.

307 Romantic Heretic  Mar 4, 2015 8:47:13am

re: #203 The Mother Of All Pies

Mine was an Apple II Serial# 1871. I splurged to get 48K of memory. I used that sucker for a decade with very few problems.

Paid the equivalent of about $4,000 2015 for it.

308 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2015 8:48:21am
309 WhatEVs  Mar 4, 2015 8:48:35am

re: #273 HappyWarrior

Nope paralegal in training. the position is admin related so I’d be assisting lawyers though with the usual.

That’s awesome! Good luck!!

310 Nyet  Mar 4, 2015 8:48:41am

re: #302 Feline Fearless Leader

Oh look, the “we will take our ball and go home” defense. Probably with a large scoop of “look what you made us do!”

Alabama County suspends all marriage licenses

I thought they were supposed to be pro-marriage!//

311 Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2015 8:52:08am

re: #302 Feline Fearless Leader

Oh look, the “we will take our ball and go home” defense. Probably with a large scoop of “look what you made us do!”

Alabama County suspends all marriage licenses

re: #310 Nyet

I thought they were supposed to be pro-marriage!//

Because it’s Mobile, it looks like FFL is right. He’s an asshole. Anywhere else, they could plead “deepset confusion”, a common malady among AL officials. Roy Moore has succeeded in muddying the waters pretty thoroughly.

312 Nyet  Mar 4, 2015 8:53:05am

Oh, that settles it.

amazon.com

313 Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2015 8:54:11am

re: #312 Nyet

Bad link to UK Amazon

314 Nyet  Mar 4, 2015 8:54:23am

re: #312 Nyet

For some reason the link doesn’t work from LGF.

315 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 4, 2015 8:54:46am

re: #302 Feline Fearless Leader

Oh look, the “we will take our ball and go home” defense. Probably with a large scoop of “look what you made us do!”

Alabama County suspends all marriage licenses

How about a nice juicy headline: “Alabama Judges Advocate Living in Sin”

316 Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2015 8:56:08am

re: #315 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

How about a nice juicy headline: “Alabama Judges Advocate Living in Sin”

As long as no dildoes are involved. Sale of dildoes is illegal here.

317 Romantic Heretic  Mar 4, 2015 9:01:51am

re: #264 HappyWarrior

There’s a lot of hindsight bias done honestly. Americans especially who put down Chamberlain and his French counterpart(forgetting his name at the moment) ignore that those two countries especially France had been decimated by the first world war. We certainly lost a good number of men in WWI but Americans who deride the French as cowards forget how big of a price the French population paid in WWI. That’s a big part of why I really resented the attacks on the French leading up to the Iraq War.

Édouard Daladier was his name.

France would almost certainly not have gone to war in 1938. The place was as divided politically as the U.S. is now with the loony right holding a lot of power and most of the Armed Forces higher command. There was a pretty strong loony left as well. They backed Hitler, at Tovarisch Dugashvili’s orders, right up until the day Herr Shicklegruber invaded Russia.

318 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 4, 2015 9:03:28am

re: #315 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

How about a nice juicy headline: “Alabama Judges Advocate Living in Sin”

Heh.

Given that legal marriage and religious marriage are separate it’s not really true. You arguably could undergo the religious ceremony and not be “in sin” without getting the legal license issued.

However, don’t most locales require the license to be on hand before they carry out the ceremony? And is that a legal, or religious, requirement?

319 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 4, 2015 9:04:29am

re: #317 Romantic Heretic

Édouard Daladier was his name.

France would almost certainly not ha go to war in 1938. The place was as divided politically as the U.S. is now with the loony right holding a lot of power and most of the Armed Forces higher command. There was a pretty strong loony left as well. They backed Hitler, at Tovarisch Dugashvili’s orders, right up until the day Herr Shicklegruber invaded Russia.

Stop overloading us with historical nuances.

This is all the History we need:

Bad guy = Hitler

Person who advocates going to war and kicking Bad Guy’s Ass = Churchill

Person who opposes going to war with Bad Guy = Chamberlain

/ (after the fact)

320 lawhawk  Mar 4, 2015 9:04:39am

Seeing how hospitals are the ones that are on the front lines of the health insurance mess, if the states invalidate the subsidies, the hospitals will end up seeing the brunt of uninsureds (and having to deal with higher indigent care costs). With insurance, the hospitals are in a much better financial position.

That’s why the hospital care sector is surging. They think that the decision breaks in favor of the federal exchange subsidies being upheld.

I’m not 100% sure of that outcome, but a 5-4 to uphold is not out of the question. And I can’t wait for Scalia or Thomas to pull some 200 year old quip about statutory construction to mean the opposite of what it actually says.

321 Nyet  Mar 4, 2015 9:05:39am

re: #316 Decatur Deb

As long as no dildoes are involved. Sale of dildoes is illegal here.

Because dicks are in abundance?

322 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 4, 2015 9:05:59am

re: #317 Romantic Heretic

Édouard Daladier was his name.

France would almost certainly not ha go to war in 1938. The place was as divided politically as the U.S. is now with the loony right holding a lot of power and most of the Armed Forces higher command. There was a pretty strong loony left as well. They backed Hitler, at Tovarisch Dugashvili’s orders, right up until the day Herr Shicklegruber invaded Russia.

And trying to hold up that you have treaty obligations to mobilize and initiate hostilities when there is serious domestic opposition is pretty much a hard sell for politicians anywhere. You start needing serious statesmen to pull that off.

Or you just try to weasel it with gunboat diplomacy and dropping a few bombs.

323 Romantic Heretic  Mar 4, 2015 9:06:30am

re: #271 Feline Fearless Leader

Mix of a few things there:
1. IIRC, most of the sunk ships at Truk are merchant ships and not warships. That appears to somehow make a difference.
2. Have any of those sites been declared war graves?
3. One you have the declaration you need local law enforcement backing it up. And probably needing some help ($?) to do so.

And I half-suspect the local authorities may not want to ban the diving since it is probably a tourist attraction and a source of income.

I’d dive there if I could. Ironbottom Sound would be interesting as well

324 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 4, 2015 9:06:44am

re: #319 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

You forgot your sarc tags. I guess that was also obvious enough to not need them though.

325 Ace-o-aces  Mar 4, 2015 9:07:10am
326 Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2015 9:07:28am

re: #321 Nyet

Because dicks are in abundance?

As a good farm state, we export many but keep the biggest.

327 Ace-o-aces  Mar 4, 2015 9:09:47am
328 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 9:11:35am

re: #317 Romantic Heretic

Édouard Daladier was his name.

France would almost certainly not ha go to war in 1938. The place was as divided politically as the U.S. is now with the loony right holding a lot of power and most of the Armed Forces higher command. There was a pretty strong loony left as well. They backed Hitler, at Tovarisch Dugashvili’s orders, right up until the day Herr Shicklegruber invaded Russia.

Thanks. Had forgotten Daladeir’s name. But yeah there was a huge divide in interwar France.

329 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 9:13:02am

Pertinent to the case being heard today…

Why Louisiana Is Facing A Health Care Disaster

thinkprogress.org

330 lawhawk  Mar 4, 2015 9:13:49am

re: #327 Ace-o-aces

Fun fact #2: Gays serve with distinction and honor in US military.

331 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 9:14:10am

re: #327 Ace-o-aces

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Yep, I love how fundies like him claim that allowing gays to serve would destroy morale in our units yet the IDF seems to do quite well with gays and women both being allowed to be in combat. Bryan’s got more in common with Hamas in his views on gays than he does the average Israeli.

332 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 4, 2015 9:14:28am

re: #323 Romantic Heretic

I’d dive there if I could. Ironbottom Sound would be interesting as well

That’s deeper water than Truk Lagoon though. I presume many of those wrecks are harder, if not impossible, to dive on. And as far as I know there are still a lot that the wreck site has not been positively located.

The wikipedia site, for instance, indicates that the USS Vincennes sank in 900+ meter deep water. Probably an estimated location, but that implies specialized equipment to even locate the wreck.

333 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 9:15:10am

re: #330 lawhawk

Fun fact #2: Gays serve with distinction and honor in US military.

But they feminized the American military because every gay man is exactly like Nathan Lane in the Birdcage. But yeah Fischer just can’t get over the fact that there are plenty of gay people who are much better Americans than he’ll ever be.

334 lawhawk  Mar 4, 2015 9:16:09am

re: #323 Romantic Heretic

Ah, The Slot. Yeah, lots of WWII wrecks there, along with plenty of aircraft.

335 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 4, 2015 9:17:18am

re: #333 HappyWarrior

But they feminized the American military because every gay man is exactly like Nathan Lane in the Birdcage. But yeah Fischer just can’t get over the fact that there are plenty of gay people who are much better Americans than he’ll ever be.

Wingnuts love this meme, then go batshit when I suggest that it could be the same guy in both photos:

336 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 4, 2015 9:17:40am

re: #333 HappyWarrior

But they feminized the American military because every gay man is exactly like Nathan Lane in the Birdcage. But yeah Fischer just can’t get over the fact that there are plenty of gay people who are much better Americans than he’ll ever be.

Hell, wasn’t it Fischer who said the Medal of Honor had been “feminized” by being awarded for saving or protecting one’s own comrades instead of slaughtering the most brown people?

337 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 4, 2015 9:17:58am

I have to do a “One Question: Do you know it’s the same guy in both pictures” redo of that meme.

338 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 4, 2015 9:18:58am

re: #337 The Mother Of All Pies

I have to do a “One Question: Do you know it’s the same guy in both pictures” redo of that meme.

In which states is he wearing a disguise?

339 lawhawk  Mar 4, 2015 9:20:54am

re: #329 Justanotherhuman

Louisiana’s problems start with the fact that the GOP/Gov. Jindal again sees a huge deficit and refuses to raise taxes. Chopping spending is their only prescription, and it will fall hardest on hospitals, who will see state support fall.

That follows a plan a few years back by Jindal to scrap the income tax and replace it with a higher sales tax. That plan got killed because of the highly regressive way it would have shifted the tax burden on to those least able to afford it.

340 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 9:21:22am

My millennial grandson just announced that he’s really an “old school” Gen Xer. I asked him if he liked disco and he regaled me with a few moves.

Such a joker.

341 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 4, 2015 9:22:09am

re: #335 The Mother Of All Pies

Wingnuts love this meme, then go batshit when I suggest that it could be the same guy in both photos:

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They never do seem to get around to refusing the gay Blue state money that keeps their sorry Red state asses from going under.

342 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 9:22:54am

re: #335 The Mother Of All Pies

Wingnuts love this meme, then go batshit when I suggest that it could be the same guy in both photos:

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Yep that’s the kind of crap I mean. And their reactions are always priceless when they find out about there being gasp liberals in the US armed forces. They really do think they have a monopoly on loving this country and I’m sick of it. It sucked in the Bush years and it sucks even more now in the Obama years.

343 Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2015 9:23:27am

re: #335 The Mother Of All Pies

Wingnuts love this meme, then go batshit when I suggest that it could be the same guy in both photos:

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Real heroes don’t smoke filters.

344 Bear  Mar 4, 2015 9:25:36am

re: #343 Decatur Deb

Ah yes. Smokes in the field rations.

345 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 9:26:05am

re: #339 lawhawk

IIRC, a lot of people were dumped from Medicaid, also. He’s such a disaster.

346 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 4, 2015 9:27:10am

re: #343 Decatur Deb

Real heroes don’t smoke filters.

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Our C-rats included a three pack of cigs. They were always filter tips. That’s why we fucking lost.

347 Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2015 9:27:39am

re: #336 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Hell, wasn’t it Fischer who said the Medal of Honor had been “feminized” by being awarded for saving or protecting one’s own comrades instead of slaughtering the most brown people?

Yeah. Had lunch with this guy—you can see the femininity oozing out of him because he won his MoH in an unarmed Dustoff.

en.wikipedia.org

348 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 9:30:02am

re: #336 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Hell, wasn’t it Fischer who said the Medal of Honor had been “feminized” by being awarded for saving or protecting one’s own comrades instead of slaughtering the most brown people?

Yeah I think for many of us that was our introduction to him. Really pathetic for a man who has never served a day in uniform to say that about a CMOH winner and that’s not even considering the sexism behind the words.

349 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 9:30:29am

ICC Shooting Suspect Connected to Three Additional Shootings in Maryland

pgpolice.blogspot.com

350 WhatEVs  Mar 4, 2015 9:34:31am

Some freaking asshole has sent me 12 thousand spam emails in the last two days. My Outlook is having a spaz. Grrrrr!

351 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 9:34:49am

Search warrants show detectives suspect $4.8 million gold heist from truck in Wilson County, NC, was inside job - @ABC11_WTVD
read more on abc11.com

Heh. I should have been a detective…

352 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 4, 2015 9:36:55am

re: #348 HappyWarrior

Yeah I think for many of us that was our introduction to him. Really pathetic for a man who has never served a day in uniform to say that about a CMOH winner and that’s not even considering the sexism behind the words.

He just opens his mouth and the Word of God issues forth…

/

353 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 4, 2015 9:39:06am

re: #347 Decatur Deb

Yeah. Had lunch with this guy—you can see the femininity oozing out of him because he won his MoH in an unarmed Dustoff.

en.wikipedia.org

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And he wasn’t even rescuing Americans. That would make BF even more upset.
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354 Timothy Watson  Mar 4, 2015 9:39:43am

re: #336 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Hell, wasn’t it Fischer who said the Medal of Honor had been “feminized” by being awarded for saving or protecting one’s own comrades instead of slaughtering the most brown people?

Don’t tell him about Desmond Doss (World War II), Thomas W. Bennett (Vietnam War), and Joseph G. LaPointe, Jr. (Vietnam War), all three conscientious objectors who served as medics and were awarded the Medal of Honor (Bennett and LaPointe posthumously).

355 lawhawk  Mar 4, 2015 9:39:54am

You knew it was coming, and it doesn’t make the pain any less.

356 Timothy Watson  Mar 4, 2015 9:40:12am

re: #351 Justanotherhuman

Search warrants show detectives suspect $4.8 million gold heist from truck in Wilson County, NC, was inside job - @ABC11_WTVD
read more on abc11.com

People across the land: No shit, Sherlock.

357 Ace-o-aces  Mar 4, 2015 9:40:12am

re: #335 The Mother Of All Pies

Wingnuts love this meme, then go batshit when I suggest that it could be the same guy in both photos:

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Actually, the guy on the left had a lot of problems when he returned from active duty due to PTSD. Wingnuts who spread this meme gave approximately zero fucks about him then.

rollingstone.com

and BTW, a quote from the article:

“I don’t care much for the news,” he says, “but I hope like hell Hillary wins. I just think she’s a baaad bitch. She’s great.”

358 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 9:43:24am

Northern Va. teen thought to have helped man join Islamic State

washingtonpost.com

“A 17-year-old Northern Virginia high school student who federal authorities believe successfully helped a man make his way to Syria to fight with the Islamic State has been taken into custody, according to the boy’s neighbors and an official familiar with the case.” More

The article goes downhill from there…

359 Ace-o-aces  Mar 4, 2015 9:44:40am

Ben Carson is now the New York Mets of politics.

360 Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2015 9:45:08am

re: #353 Feline Fearless Leader

And he wasn’t even rescuing Americans. That would make BF even more upset.
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He was the greatest Army aviator ever. The main street on Rucker was named for him while he was still alive, but there was a guy who had an even better day—he pulled more guys out the weeds, and used up three unarmed helicopters doing it. His picture and citation hung with a bunch of others in my office.

en.wikipedia.org

361 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 9:46:31am

re: #355 lawhawk

But the Black Darren Wilson has been fired, and is being charged with stealing money from a cop organization.

It’s perfectly fine for a white cop to kill a Black “suspect”, however.

362 Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2015 9:47:31am

Fuck the Fischers of the world. Lunchtime—BBL.

363 Dr. Matt  Mar 4, 2015 9:48:12am

Excellent piece from Bob Cesca: We Finally Know the Not-So-Harrowing Regulation Hillary Clinton Allegedly Violated

364 lawhawk  Mar 4, 2015 9:49:04am

Fox News. Where lies and smears are fact and not spin:

365 Romantic Heretic  Mar 4, 2015 9:49:57am

re: #354 Timothy Watson

Don’t tell him about Desmond Doss (World War II), Thomas W. Bennett (Vietnam War), and Joseph G. LaPointe, Jr. (Vietnam War), all three conscientious objectors who served as medics and were awarded the Medal of Honor (Bennett and LaPointe posthumously).

In one of my books, A History of Warfare, it mentions that the commander of 3rd Commando was in awe of the courage of his stretcher bearers, all of whom were conscientious objectors.

366 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 9:51:26am

re: #363 Dr. Matt

Of course, the RW won’t pay any attention to this article—they have their chum in the water and it’s full speed ahead.

367 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 9:51:42am

re: #364 lawhawk

Fox News. Where lies and smears are fact and not spin:

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Yeah that’s why the administration has defended Israel numerous times. Really fuck Fox for doing this when their chairman worked for the most Anti-Semitic president in modern times but yeah it’s Obama who hates Jews and Israel, rigggggght. I’m referring to Ailes Nixon connections by the way.

368 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 9:53:49am

Fuck you, Ed. Stay in Russia.

Edward Snowden says in Q&A with university students that he would love to return to the United States but adds that no fair trial is being offered right now - @Reuters
end of alert

369 TedStriker  Mar 4, 2015 9:54:31am

re: #347 Decatur Deb

Yeah. Had lunch with this guy—you can see the femininity oozing out of him because he won his MoH in an unarmed Dustoff.

en.wikipedia.org

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42 years on active military flying duty in three wars…that’s pretty hardcore.

370 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 4, 2015 9:54:47am

re: #359 Ace-o-aces

Ben Carson is now the New York Mets of politics.

In fairness, I don’t think his recent comments are much more ridiculous than any of his previous ones.

/

371 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 4, 2015 9:55:58am

re: #368 Justanotherhuman

Fuck you, Ed. Stay in Russia.

Edward Snowden says in Q&A with university students that he would love to return to the United States but adds that no fair trial is being offered right now - @Reuters
end of alert

The only ‘fair trial’ being one in which he isn’t tried.

//

372 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 9:56:10am

And fuck you, too, John Cook.

373 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 9:56:16am

re: #370 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

In fairness, I don’t think his recent comments are much more ridiculous than any of his previous ones.

/

I missed it. What did Doctor shit for brains say now? He really shows how unintelligent and unaware of both history and politics when he talks. He really should just stick to what he’s actually good at.

374 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 4, 2015 9:57:29am

re: #373 HappyWarrior

The bit about how gays are choice because gay sex in prison.

375 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 9:58:37am

re: #374 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

The bit about how gays are choice because gay sex in prison.

Yeah just seeing that. Man what a fucking idiot this guy is. Of course, this is the same guy who feels we’re living in Nazi Germany 2.0 but yet wants to run for president. It really is no wonder why conservatives like him so much. He’s as stupid as they are when it comes to basic reality.

376 #FergusonFireside  Mar 4, 2015 9:59:43am
377 lawhawk  Mar 4, 2015 10:00:51am

re: #369 TedStriker

42 years on active military flying duty in three wars…that’s pretty hardcore.

He started out flying B-29s, and then later opted to fly helicopters and took a reduction in rank to change services so he could fly in Vietnam. That’s seriously hardcore dedication.

378 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 10:01:07am
379 Nyet  Mar 4, 2015 10:04:00am

re: #232 The Mother Of All Pies

What would happen if Ben Carson & Bryan Fischer would be locked in a cell together?

A little bit of Leviticus, a little bit of Deuteronomy…

380 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 4, 2015 10:06:59am

re: #142 The Mother Of All Pies

I see this morning #UniteBlue is retweeting the batshit Neturei Karta, the Jewish Westboro cult:

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Two #UniteBlue liberals who retweeted the Neturei Karta meme said they would remove it after I told them MK is the Jewish version of Westboro.

381 lawhawk  Mar 4, 2015 10:07:43am

re: #379 Nyet

No doubt there’d be someone spouting off Ezekiel 25:17 to them.

…

Though I’d hope it would be a Bear Jew doing the speech.

383 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 4, 2015 10:09:22am

“Bibi-sitter” is funny though. I’ll bet NK didn’t make that up, they are barely literate. I don’t know who makes their posters for them, but they look just like the old ANSWER and International World Workers posters.

384 No Country For Old Haters  Mar 4, 2015 10:10:08am

re: #129 The Mother Of All Pies

They believe that:

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385 Nyet  Mar 4, 2015 10:11:03am

re: #381 lawhawk

Woah.

386 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 4, 2015 10:11:08am

re: #382 Kragar


Ben Carson floors CNN host: Homosexuality is a sham because prison makes you ‘come out gay’

If it was true - then why is the GOP so gung-ho about throwing more and more people in prison? (Beyond the profitability of privatizing it that is.)
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387 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 4, 2015 10:11:56am

I think I am really fed up with a lot of the world today. Between the ACA stuff and the derp derp in response to Bibi’s speech (“guys why won’t they tell us what’s in the deal it clearly must be bad”), it’s just…

Some days you have to check out in order to stay sane.

388 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 10:12:35am

Speaking of Republicans being extremely dishonest (and sneaky bastards):

Georgia ‘License To Discriminate’ Bill Forced Through Committee During Bathroom Break

thinkprogress.org

389 makeitstop  Mar 4, 2015 10:13:23am

re: #372 Justanotherhuman

And fuck you, too, John Cook.

So the fun thing will be to see whether State attempts to redact any of those 55k pgs of new emails b/c they’re classified

Like Jeb Bush had to redact his emails because they gave out names, addresses and SocSec numbers of his correspondents?

390 blueraven  Mar 4, 2015 10:14:04am

re: #320 lawhawk

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Seeing how hospitals are the ones that are on the front lines of the health insurance mess, if the states invalidate the subsidies, the hospitals will end up seeing the brunt of uninsureds (and having to deal with higher indigent care costs). With insurance, the hospitals are in a much better financial position.

That’s why the hospital care sector is surging. They think that the decision breaks in favor of the federal exchange subsidies being upheld.

I’m not 100% sure of that outcome, but a 5-4 to uphold is not out of the question. And I can’t wait for Scalia or Thomas to pull some 200 year old quip about statutory construction to mean the opposite of what it actually says.

Better than the other way around, I guess.

391 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 4, 2015 10:14:56am

re: #387 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I think I am really fed up with a lot of the world today. Between the ACA stuff and the derp derp in response to Bibi’s speech (“guys why won’t they tell us what’s in the deal it clearly must be bad”), it’s just…

Some days you have to check out in order to stay sane.

I thought of you.

392 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 4, 2015 10:16:02am

re: #391 The Mother Of All Pies

I thought of you.

Cross stitch is happy. Maybe I should cross stitch some today.

393 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2015 10:16:31am
394 Dr. Matt  Mar 4, 2015 10:19:12am

re: #393 Backwoods_Sleuth

But, but, but….what about Hillary’s emails?!?!?! ////

395 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 10:20:20am

re: #393 Backwoods_Sleuth

So the rot starts at the head…

396 makeitstop  Mar 4, 2015 10:22:35am

re: #395 Justanotherhuman

So the rot starts at the head…

That was pretty obvious from the jump. Officials’ handling of the entire case showed that all they were interested in was ‘serving and protecting’ a cop who committed murder.

397 TedStriker  Mar 4, 2015 10:23:51am

re: #396 makeitstop

That was pretty obvious from the jump. Officials’ handling of the entire case showed that all they were interested in was ‘serving and protecting’ a cop who committed murder.

Meanwhile, Wilson skates…again.

I really hope that karma drops a loaded dump truck on his ass.

398 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 4, 2015 10:25:04am

WTFITS==>

399 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 4, 2015 10:25:19am

re: #397 TedStriker

Meanwhile, Wilson skates…again.

I really hope that karma drops a loaded dump truck on his ass.

He’ll be on FOX News soon as a talking head expert on community and race relations.
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400 WhatEVs  Mar 4, 2015 10:25:22am
401 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2015 10:28:02am

re: #388 Justanotherhuman

After several hours of deliberations at Monday’s committee meeting, however, the Atlanta Journal Constitution reports that Fort asked McKoon if he could pause work for a moment to use the bathroom. McKoon obliged, but while the Democrat hurried to the lavatory, the rest of the committee — which consisted entirely of Republicans once Fort left the room — quickly pulled the “religious liberty” bill off the table and began voting. A staffer alerted other Democrats who rushed to the scene, but the committee had already passed the bill by the time lawmakers arrived.

Imagine if you will the wingnut shrieking that would commence were the parties switched in this scenario.

402 Nyet  Mar 4, 2015 10:28:54am

re: #376 #FergusonFireside

Having read the summary of the Brown report (the first few pages of the report), it seems that it comes down to the reliability of witness testimonies or lack thereof again. It seems that quite a few witnesses we thought reliable were dismissed by DOJ (because of alleged contradictions or because they recanted their testimonies). It also seems from the summary that quite a lot of what Wilson said seems to be confirmed by forensic evidence, (e.g. about the struggle in the car). Still, the key sentence is that DOJ couldn’t disprove his “stated subjective belief that he feared for his safety”. So we’re back to subjectivity again.

Gonna skim through the whole thing.

403 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 4, 2015 10:29:24am

re: #401 Eclectic Cyborg

Imagine if you will the wingnut shrieking that would commence were the parties switched in this scenario.

I’m sure Dark would tell us this is completely acceptable, just playing the politics game.

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404 Ace-o-aces  Mar 4, 2015 10:29:50am
405 Ace-o-aces  Mar 4, 2015 10:31:32am

re: #402 Nyet

Having read the summary of the Brown report (the first few pages of the report), it seems that it comes down to the reliability of witness testimonies or lack thereof again. It seems that quite a few witnesses we thought reliable were dismissed by DOJ (because of alleged contradictions or because they recanted their testimonies). It also seems from the summary that quite a lot of what Wilson said seems to be confirmed by forensic evidence, (e.g. about the struggle in the car). Still, the key sentence is that DOJ couldn’t disprove his “stated subjective belief that he feared for his safety”. So we’re back to subjectivity again.

It also states that he might very well have caused the whole situation due to his initial actions, but that this does not fall under DOJ jurisdiction.

406 WhatEVs  Mar 4, 2015 10:31:49am

re: #398 The Mother Of All Pies

re: #404 Ace-o-aces

Who are Amy Pascal and Scott Rudin and why do I care about them?

407 Kragar  Mar 4, 2015 10:31:54am
408 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 10:32:40am

re: #407 Kragar

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Speaks to the Radley Batko article from this Fall.

409 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2015 10:32:53am

re: #407 Kragar

Sadly, I think this is true in plenty more regions besides Ferguson.

410 Nyet  Mar 4, 2015 10:33:24am

re: #405 Ace-o-aces

Good point, not there yet.

411 Kragar  Mar 4, 2015 10:33:32am
412 lawhawk  Mar 4, 2015 10:34:02am

re: #406 WhatEVs

Rudin and Pascal are producers in Hollywood.

413 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 4, 2015 10:34:06am

re: #406 WhatEVs

Who are Amy Pascal and Scott Rudin and why do I care about them?

Movie execs whose emails were hacked in the Sony exploit. (I had to Google that)

414 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 10:34:21am

re: #411 Kragar

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As I said during the protests, Bull Connor would be proud of these prick pretzels.

415 Kragar  Mar 4, 2015 10:34:37am
416 Ace-o-aces  Mar 4, 2015 10:35:46am

re: #406 WhatEVs

Who are Amy Pascal and Scott Rudin and why do I care about them?

They worked for Sony. Had emails revealed in the hack. Yes, J-Pod is comparing entertainment executives to Police officers.

417 darthstar  Mar 4, 2015 10:36:23am

Marilyn Manson does a photo shoot with his dad who tries, and succeeds, in embarrassing him.

418 Kragar  Mar 4, 2015 10:37:03am
419 darthstar  Mar 4, 2015 10:37:10am

offending comma removed

420 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 10:37:39am

re: #418 Kragar

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I expect similar given the comments on Police One.

421 Nyet  Mar 4, 2015 10:38:14am

re: #417 darthstar

oh fuck

422 WhatEVs  Mar 4, 2015 10:39:04am

re: #412 lawhawk

re: #413 The Mother Of All Pies

I Googled them too (thanks, though!!), but I still don’t know why I should give a shit what some Hollywood people have to say. Ok, there are racists in Hwood? I would not have known that. //

And for Podhoretz to tweet that…I still have to ask…So? Is he going for the “Hollywood is all liberals and liberals are the real racists” angle or what?

I find wingnuts confounding. They and their thought processes give me whiplash. What they are for one day, they are against the next.

423 darthstar  Mar 4, 2015 10:39:30am

re: #421 Nyet

oh fuck

That’s a good dad.

424 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 10:39:44am

I never have had any use for his music but I like Marilyn Manson the dude.

425 Nyet  Mar 4, 2015 10:40:13am

re: #423 darthstar

That’s a good dad.

He’s so much more dirty that Manson.

426 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 4, 2015 10:40:22am

re: #398 The Mother Of All Pies
Maybe, but Amy Pascal and Scott Rudin don’t shoot Black people out of hand.

427 Bubblehead II  Mar 4, 2015 10:40:49am

Morning Lizards. How about a sanity break?

bella hummingbird’s nest

428 WhatEVs  Mar 4, 2015 10:41:01am

re: #423 darthstar

That’s a good dad.

That’s an awesome dad! Reminds me of my own dad who had a twisted, wicked sense of humor.

429 #FergusonFireside  Mar 4, 2015 10:41:05am

re: #415 Kragar

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Makes me sick.

430 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2015 10:41:32am

Oh, lookie what’s going to hit Inhofe’s state:

431 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 10:41:37am

re: #422 WhatEVs

I Googled them too (thanks, though!!), but I still don’t know why I should give a shit what some Hollywood people have to say. Ok, there are racists in Hwood? I would not have known that. //

And for Podhoretz to tweet that…I still have to ask…So? Is he going for the “Hollywood is all liberals and liberals are the real racists” angle or what?

I find wingnuts confounding. They and their thought processes give me whiplash. What they are for one day, they are against the next.

Divert, an old wingnut trick but yeah I am not seeing his point here. Yeah there’s racism in Hollywood. But the issue here in regards to the DOJ report on Ferguson PD is that culture of racism has resulted in violence against citizenry. So Podhoertz can go take his magical balance fairy and go away.

432 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 10:42:17am

re: #430 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh, lookie what’s going to hit Inhofe’s state:

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Yeah I heard. Can’t escape it.

433 Nyet  Mar 4, 2015 10:42:20am

I love me some Manson. And his covers are cool :)

…

434 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 4, 2015 10:43:29am

re: #422 WhatEVs

I Googled them too (thanks, though!!), but I still don’t know why I should give a shit what some Hollywood people have to say. Ok, there are racists in Hwood? I would not have known that. //

And for Podhoretz to tweet that…I still have to ask…So? Is he going for the “Hollywood is all liberals and liberals are the real racists” angle or what?

I find wingnuts confounding. They and their thought processes give me whiplash. What they are for one day, they are against the next.

Wingnuts like to invoke the Magical Balance Fairy as a protection against any form of criticism whatsoever.

KOCH? SOROS!!!!
GOHMERT? SHEILA JACKSON LEE!!!1!!!
WALTONS? KENNEDYS!!!!11!!!

435 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 4, 2015 10:44:39am

re: #347 Decatur Deb

Yeah. Had lunch with this guy—you can see the femininity oozing out of him because he won his MoH in an unarmed Dustoff.

en.wikipedia.org

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Yeah but has this guy fought bravely against gays, womens, and other marginal and relatively powerless minorities from Twitter and inside a radio booth before?
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436 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 4, 2015 10:45:20am

re: #430 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh, lookie what’s going to hit Inhofe’s state:

Snowballs!!!1

437 gwangung  Mar 4, 2015 10:46:09am

re: #422 WhatEVs

I Googled them too (thanks, though!!), but I still don’t know why I should give a shit what some Hollywood people have to say. Ok, there are racists in Hwood? I would not have known that. //

And for Podhoretz to tweet that…I still have to ask…So? Is he going for the “Hollywood is all liberals and liberals are the real racists” angle or what?

I find wingnuts confounding. They and their thought processes give me whiplash. What they are for one day, they are against the next.

Who makes movies? Who wields life and death power on the streets?

438 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 4, 2015 10:46:25am

re: #398 The Mother Of All Pies

WTFITS==>

hurr hurr the liberals is the real racists!!!11

439 b_sharp  Mar 4, 2015 10:48:10am

Even at 12:30 the windchill here is -40. I heard a knock at the door a little while ago and when I answered it, a number of icicles tried to burst through the doorway and into the hall. They claimed it was too cold outside for them.

440 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 4, 2015 10:48:53am

re: #416 Ace-o-aces

They worked for Sony. Had emails revealed in the hack. Yes, J-Pod is comparing entertainment executives to Police officers.

Entertainment executives who have no power over us, particularly the power to execute, relative to police, who do wield such power. Other than that rather minor distinction, they’re completely the same, with equal moral authority and public responsibilities. ///////

Gosh does someone actually PAY j-pod for this stuff?

441 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 10:49:42am

Aren’t producers pretty much all over the place politically? I know the old studio heads like the Warner Bros were pretty right wing and famously anti-union? So I’m not sure if Podhoertz MBF even works here since he could be pointing out racism by fellow wingnuts.

442 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 4, 2015 10:50:57am

Stay in Russia, punk.

443 lawhawk  Mar 4, 2015 10:52:10am

re: #409 Eclectic Cyborg

I’d say that it’s widespread.

Ferguson is hardly an outlier in Missouri, so I’d say that there’s many law enforcement agencies nationally that share in these same awful practices. They either haven’t been caught with their pants down, or they haven’t had enough media attention due to officer-involved shootings.

Though even where there are officer-involved shootings, that’s often not enough to get DOJ investigating.

Heck, the Missouri AG’s office has stats on stops, and found disproportionate stops against minorities - often in excess of what was going on in Ferguson. But no one was doing anything about it. Not the MO AG, not legislators, not the police or local leaders.

That has to change.

444 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 10:52:15am

re: #442 The Mother Of All Pies

Stay in Russia, punk.

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I would love to see what he defines as as a fair trial. My bet is anything that doesn’t make him out to be a hero and the NSA out to be a latter day Gestapo.

445 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 4, 2015 10:52:46am

HURR HURR POOR PEOPLE’S HEALTHCARE ISN’T COMIN OUTTA MY HARD EARNED MONEYS!!!!!!

446 jaunte  Mar 4, 2015 10:53:45am
447 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 10:54:37am

re: #445 The Mother Of All Pies

HURR HURR POOR PEOPLE’S HEALTHCARE ISN’T COMIN OUTTA MY HARD EARNED MONEYS!!!!!!

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By her logic if she ever lived in student housing while attending a public university, she was robbing the rest of us but unlike her, I’m not a Randian brat who doesn’t understand how the social contract works.

448 #FergusonFireside  Mar 4, 2015 10:54:49am
449 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 10:55:41am

re: #448 #FergusonFireside

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Why would I not be shocked if Wilson said some shit to Brown?

450 lawhawk  Mar 4, 2015 10:55:55am

re: #445 The Mother Of All Pies

So how exactly is indigent care provided for? Oh wait, it’s funded on the backs of everyone else who have insurance and the costs billed to insurers includes a premium for covering indigent care.

Eliminate the indigent (making everyone covered under insurance) reduces the indigent costs everyone with insurance pays, plus you’re getting premiums from formerly uninsured.

These people have no clue how health insurance works.

451 aagcobb  Mar 4, 2015 10:56:03am

re: #445 The Mother Of All Pies

HURR HURR POOR PEOPLE’S HEALTHCARE ISN’T COMIN OUTTA MY HARD EARNED MONEYS!!!!!!

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If she like most Americans, gets health insurance through a group policy with her employer, HER INSURANCE IS SUBSIDIZED AS WELL.

452 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 4, 2015 10:58:05am

re: #450 lawhawk

So how exactly is indigent care provided for? Oh wait, it’s funded on the backs of everyone else who have insurance and the costs billed to insurers includes a premium for covering indigent care.

Eliminate the indigent (making everyone covered under insurance) reduces the indigent costs everyone with insurance pays, plus you’re getting premiums from formerly uninsured.

These people have no clue how health insurance works.

Just like that other stupid Randian Millennial Kochbot that I blocked last night, HURR HURR MEDICARE & MEDICAID IS SUCKING US DRY!!!! I PAY MY OWN WAY HURR HURR!!!!!!

453 lawhawk  Mar 4, 2015 10:58:51am

All these people with the pre-printed signs outside the Supreme Court seem to ignore that the IRS is deeply involved in health benefits coverages, even before the ACA was enacted.

The ACA made it a personal responsibility for persons to get insurance or else face a penalty.

But before that, employers were getting tax breaks by providing health insurance to their employees. That’s a tax treatment folks. Want to get the IRS out of the health benefits business entirely? That’s fine - separate health insurance entirely from employment benefits.

454 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 4, 2015 11:00:30am

re: #453 lawhawk

All these people with the pre-printed signs outside the Supreme Court seem to ignore that the IRS is deeply involved in health benefits coverages, even before the ACA was enacted.

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The ACA made it a personal responsibility for persons to get insurance or else face a penalty.

But before that, employers were getting tax breaks by providing health insurance to their employees. That’s a tax treatment folks. Want to get the IRS out of the health benefits business entirely? That’s fine - separate health insurance entirely from employment benefits.

But they want MOAR HSA’S which the IRS has nothing to do with. Oh wait…

455 Mike Lamb  Mar 4, 2015 11:00:55am

re: #445 The Mother Of All Pies

HURR HURR POOR PEOPLE’S HEALTHCARE ISN’T COMIN OUTTA MY HARD EARNED MONEYS!!!!!!

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Does she own a house? Then she’s robbing from a huge number of people re: the mortgage interest deduction.

Does she attend church? Then she’s supporting an organization that is robbing from the rest of us due to their tax exempt status.

Do her kids attend public school? Then she’s robbing from people who don’t have children (or whose children are no longer attending school or are too young to attend school).

Does she claim a deduction for health expenses? More robbery.

456 WhatEVs  Mar 4, 2015 11:01:00am

re: #439 b_sharp

Even at 12:30 the windchill here is -40. I heard a knock at the door a little while ago and when I answered it, a number of icicles tried to burst through the doorway and into the hall. They claimed it was too cold outside for them.

Holy cow! Where are you again? I am in Canada (near Detroit) and it’s nowhere near that cold. It’s actually above freezing for the first time in weeks.

457 jaunte  Mar 4, 2015 11:01:17am

re: #453 lawhawk

That photo looks like an illustration for the concept of “astroturfing”

458 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 4, 2015 11:01:36am

re: #368 Justanotherhuman

Edward Snowden says in Q&A with university students that he would love to return to the United States but adds that no fair trial is being offered right now special treatment is being offered to our special snowflake -

459 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2015 11:02:26am

re: #453 lawhawk

Can’t help but notice this group seems a lot smaller than the other “protesters”.

460 Ace-o-aces  Mar 4, 2015 11:03:22am

re: #447 HappyWarrior

By her logic if she ever lived in student housing while attending a public university, she was robbing the rest of us but unlike her, I’m not a Randian brat who doesn’t understand how the social contract works.

Read though some of her recent posts
Government providing healthcare though ACA = ROBBERY! SLAVERY!
Government shooting unarmed black people through police = HAHA! Dead black Teens R Funny!

461 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2015 11:03:36am

re: #456 WhatEVs

Holy cow! Where are you again? I am in Canada (near Detroit) and it’s nowhere near that cold. It’s actually above freezing for the first time in weeks.

My hometown of Ottawa just went through the coldest February in over 100 years. There were a number of nights with -40 wind chill or below.

462 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 11:03:39am

re: #459 Eclectic Cyborg

Can’t help but notice this group seems a lot smaller than the other “protesters”.

That’s because conservative protesters mostly have jobs and couldn’t make it.// But yeah pretty small indeed. Did not have any real problems with traffic getting into D.C to interview today.

463 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2015 11:04:02am

re: #453 lawhawk

All these people with the pre-printed signs outside the Supreme Court seem to ignore that the IRS is deeply involved in health benefits coverages, even before the ACA was enacted.

[Embedded content]

The ACA made it a personal responsibility for persons to get insurance or else face a penalty.

But before that, employers were getting tax breaks by providing health insurance to their employees. That’s a tax treatment folks. Want to get the IRS out of the health benefits business entirely? That’s fine - separate health insurance entirely from employment benefits.

Why aren’t they hard at work at their jobs?
Or are they being paid to be there?

464 iossarian  Mar 4, 2015 11:04:05am

re: #459 Eclectic Cyborg

Can’t help but notice this group seems a lot smaller than the other “protesters”.

With suspiciously identical signs.

465 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2015 11:04:40am

re: #464 iossarian

With suspiciously identical signs.

And a token black guy.

466 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 4, 2015 11:04:43am

re: #460 Ace-o-aces

Read though some of her recent posts
Government providing healthcare though ACA = ROBBERY! SLAVERY!
Government shooting unarmed black people through police = HAHA! Dead black Teens R Funny!

She blocked me for BEING A COMMUNIST!!!1!!

467 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 11:04:52am

re: #460 Ace-o-aces

Read though some of her recent posts
Government providing healthcare though ACA = ROBBERY! SLAVERY!
Government shooting unarmed black people through police = HAHA! Dead black Teens R Funny!

Why am I not shocked?

468 Romantic Heretic  Mar 4, 2015 11:05:20am

re: #433 Nyet

My favourite Christmas movie.

469 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 11:05:44am

re: #466 The Mother Of All Pies

She blocked me for BEING A COMMUNIST!!!1!!

Better a communist than a Randian dimwit who doesn’t understand how modern society actually works and thinks a fairy tale written by an idolater of a serial killer is how a society should function.

470 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 4, 2015 11:06:34am

re: #469 HappyWarrior

Better a communist than a Randian dimwit who doesn’t understand how modern society actually works and thinks a fairy tale written by an idolater of a serial killer is how a society should function.

These idiots think anybody who isn’t a Kochbot is a COMMIE SOROSBOT!!!1!!!!

471 Timothy Watson  Mar 4, 2015 11:06:41am

re: #454 The Mother Of All Pies

But they want MOAR HSA’S which the IRS has nothing to do with. Oh wait…

My biggest complaint about the ACA were the changes to Flexible Spending Accounts. :/

472 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 4, 2015 11:07:08am

re: #418 Kragar

The unanswered question hanging over the Ferguson report: What would we find if we looked as closely at other departments?

the rest of the iceberg

473 Romantic Heretic  Mar 4, 2015 11:07:22am

re: #445 The Mother Of All Pies

There’s that compulsion of mine again. I soooo want to introduce them to the world of the sick and disabled.

474 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mar 4, 2015 11:07:41am

re: #433 Nyet

I love me some Manson. And his covers are cool :)

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His cover of Sweet Dreams (are made of this) is what got me started listening to him. Portrait of An American family is still one of my favorite albums next to antichrist superstar.

475 Romantic Heretic  Mar 4, 2015 11:08:28am

re: #446 jaunte

So that’s what happens to bullies when they grow up.

476 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 11:08:53am

re: #470 The Mother Of All Pies

These idiots think anybody who isn’t a Kochbot is a COMMIE SOROSBOT!!!1!!!!

Yeah. They’re the ones who are the real fringe though. As I said last night, even Otto von Bismarck saw the need for social programs and he was far from being a liberal. These people want to live in a modern society but yet want things handled like we did in feudal times.

477 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 4, 2015 11:09:09am

re: #453 lawhawk

All these people with the pre-printed signs outside the Supreme Court seem to ignore that the IRS is deeply involved in health benefits coverages, even before the ACA was enacted.

The ACA made it a personal responsibility for persons to get insurance or else face a penalty.

But before that, employers were getting tax breaks by providing health insurance to their employees. That’s a tax treatment folks. Want to get the IRS out of the health benefits business entirely? That’s fine - separate health insurance entirely from employment benefits.

You just have to call it “Liberty and Freedom Health Insurance” instead of “single-payer”.
// ;)

478 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 4, 2015 11:10:29am

re: #476 HappyWarrior

Yeah. They’re the ones who are the real fringe though. As I said last night, even Otto von Bismarck saw the need for social programs and he was far from being a liberal. These people want to live in a modern society but yet want things handled like we did in feudal times.

They do not understand why the Robber Barons are not called Road-Building Barons.

479 Romantic Heretic  Mar 4, 2015 11:12:25am

re: #466 The Mother Of All Pies

You should point out to her that St. Ayn Rand is actually the Marxist version of a Satanist. She accepted the theology but inverted it so good is bad and bad is good.

480 Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2015 11:20:55am

Welcome to Selma/Goodbye Selma billboards near the Pettus bridge.

Image: selmabridgewhitesuk2680085380_t1070_ha2e10ecaf0f348fa9d7f9e275f30c881eca6c54d.jpg

Image: Selma%20Confederate%20Billboard.4.jpg

It’s nice that Forrest has friends. The effort to organize a trip to Bloody Sunday is not going well.

481 b_sharp  Mar 4, 2015 12:02:14pm

re: #456 WhatEVs

Holy cow! Where are you again? I am in Canada (near Detroit) and it’s nowhere near that cold. It’s actually above freezing for the first time in weeks.

Ever heard of a little place called Saskatchewan? Only Winnipeg has a reputation of being colder than cities here.

482 Eventual Carrion  Mar 4, 2015 12:55:48pm

re: #232 The Mother Of All Pies

What would happen if Ben Carson & Bryan Fischer would be locked in a cell together?

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They would turn “prison gay”.

483 Eventual Carrion  Mar 4, 2015 12:59:15pm

re: #430 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh, lookie what’s going to hit Inhofe’s state:

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Looking like it is going to stay just south of me. I can only hope. Everyone else be careful.


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