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The Seven Racist E-Mails the Justice Department Highlighted in Its Report on Ferguson Police

Although the Justice Department did not identify the people who sent or received these e-mails, it said that the officials involved are all still employed and that several police officers, court supervisors and commanders were involved.

Here is a rundown of these e-mails, with all descriptions taken directly from the Justice Department’s report:

November 2008: An e-mail said President Obama would not be president for very long because “what black man holds a steady job for four years.”

March 2010: An e-mail mocked African Americans through a story involving child support. One line from the e-mail read: “I be so glad that dis be my last child support payment! Month after month, year after year, all dose payments!”

April 2011: An e-mail depicted Obama as a chimpanzee.

May 2011: An e-mail said: “An African-American woman in New Orleans was admitted into the hospital for a pregnancy termination. Two weeks later she received a check for $5,000. She phoned the hospital to ask who it was from. The hospital said, ‘Crimestoppers.’”

June 2011: An e-mail described a man seeking to obtain “welfare” for his dogs because they are “mixed in color, unemployed, lazy, can’t speak English and have no frigging clue who their Daddies are.”

October 2011: An e-mail included a photo of a group of bare-chested women dancing, seemingly in Africa, with the caption, “Michelle Obama’s High School Reunion.”

December 2011: An e-mail included jokes that are based on offensive stereotypes about Muslims.

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420 comments
1 ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2015 12:16:32pm

Pretty damning so far.

2 Charles Johnson  Mar 4, 2015 12:24:43pm

Absolutely horrifying.

And don’t kid yourself — this isn’t just happening in Missouri.

3 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 4, 2015 12:27:50pm

This is what all the noise about stolen cigars, orbital blowouts and “hands as weapons”, etc, was missing from the whole discussion of Ferguson: the fact that the rot at the upper levels of the police force and civic administration was much more significant than the misdeeds of any single officer.

4 Iwouldprefernotto  Mar 4, 2015 12:28:40pm

Conservatives must be pissed that Holder is still in office. If only there was a way to encourage him to retire…

5 Kragar  Mar 4, 2015 12:29:04pm

I tried to bring this up with the Libertarian I work with. His response?

“Wilson shot a thug. End of story.”

6 lawhawk  Mar 4, 2015 12:29:42pm
7 EPR-radar  Mar 4, 2015 12:30:58pm

re: #5 Kragar

I tried to bring this up with the Libertarian I work with. His response?

“Wilson shot a thug. End of story.”

Would it be rude to inquire if thugness is determined by poverty or by race?

8 Thanos  Mar 4, 2015 12:32:34pm

I think most police forces would fare better in an investigation than Ferguson - but where the poor are, whether urban or rural that’s how it is.

9 #FergusonFireside  Mar 4, 2015 12:32:36pm

I am beside myself that I can’t watch this at work. fuckfuckfuckfuck.

10 Kragar  Mar 4, 2015 12:32:45pm

re: #7 EPR-radar

Would it be rude to inquire if thugness is determined by poverty or by race?

He followed up with “He went for Wilson’s gun.” and “Wilson was acquitted.”

I just walked away after that.

11 Iwouldprefernotto  Mar 4, 2015 12:33:11pm

re: #5 Kragar

I tried to bring this up with the Libertarian I work with. His response?

“Wilson shot all his bullets into a human a thug. End of story.”

makes me feel better.

12 EPR-radar  Mar 4, 2015 12:33:26pm

re: #3 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

This is what all the noise about stolen cigars, orbital blowouts and “hands as weapons”, etc, was missing from the whole discussion of Ferguson: the fact that the rot at the upper levels of the police force and civic administration was much more significant than the misdeeds of any single officer.

This rot at the top could be inferred from the fact that the immediate institutional response to the Wilson shooting was a cover-up and spoliation of all possible evidence.

Now the proof is out, and I hope the DOJ takes a very hard line in the upcoming consent decree negotiations.

13 gwangung  Mar 4, 2015 12:34:32pm

re: #5 Kragar

I tried to bring this up with the Libertarian I work with. His response?

“Wilson shot a thug. End of story.”

No, it isn’t.

If Ferguson police, if THIS policeman was harassing black people because of their race, then a RACIST thug shot someone over a small offense.

Moreover, this “libertarian” (whose answer betrays the foundation of most libertarian thought) pretty much says the appropriate punishment for robbery is death.

That’s not libertarian; that’s being a dictator.

14 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2015 12:34:46pm

I’m sure the Ferguson PD is thrilled that it’s a black guy giving this report.

15 Great White Snark  Mar 4, 2015 12:34:51pm

re: #9 #FergusonFireside

I am beside myself that I can’t watch this at work. fuckfuckfuckfuck.

I missed it too damn it. Oh well. The report means far more than a speech.

16 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 4, 2015 12:35:21pm

re: #5 Kragar

I tried to bring this up with the Libertarian I work with. His response?

“Wilson shot a thug. End of story.”

There’s that Libertarian sense of outrage at State Power we know and love so much.

17 Kryptik  Mar 4, 2015 12:35:46pm

re: #5 Kragar

Yeah, pretty much any kind of discussion on this I seem to run into ends up devolving into insisting that the only real problem is blacks being inherently criminal and violent savages and that if they just stopped being thugs, the police wouldn’t have to do this kind of stuff.

It’s one of those things that affirms my lack of faith in basic humanity.

18 Thanos  Mar 4, 2015 12:36:47pm

Meanwhile, the Keystone veto override failed.

19 Great White Snark  Mar 4, 2015 12:37:09pm

re: #5 Kragar

I tried to bring this up with the Libertarian I work with. His response?

“Wilson shot a thug. End of story.”

Hey fuck him. Brown got shot by a bigoted thug too impatient to wait for backup to confront a black man.

20 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2015 12:37:49pm

Look at how fucked up this country is.

Then look at how many blacks are in positions of government and corporate leadership.

Then try to tell me with a straight face that it’s all their fault.

Of course most wingnuts will do exactly that.

*sigh*

21 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2015 12:38:30pm

re: #19 Great White Snark

Hey fuck him. Wilson got shot by a bigoted thug too impatient to wait for backup to confront a black man.

Brown was the one who got shot, but your point stands.

22 D_Red  Mar 4, 2015 12:39:02pm

95% of all jay walking arrests in Ferguson were of black people. That is as damning as it gets. Everyone jay walks.

23 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 4, 2015 12:40:09pm

This seems familiar.

24 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2015 12:41:56pm

re: #23 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Rotten from the inside out.

25 b_sharp  Mar 4, 2015 12:44:45pm

re: #24 Eclectic Cyborg

Rotten from the inside out.

It’s trickle down rotting.

26 Great White Snark  Mar 4, 2015 12:47:41pm

re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg

Thanks!!

27 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 4, 2015 12:48:19pm

This is all going to spun as a bunch of meddling lawyers and troublemakers from Washington interfering in a local police force just doing its job of maintaining Law and Order in a Dangerous Time.

28 Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 4, 2015 12:49:24pm

I’ve been reading the report.

Good times…not.

For example, in July 2013 police encountered an African-American man in a parking lot while on their way to arrest someone else at an apartment building. Police knew that the encountered man was not the person they had come to arrest. Nonetheless, without even reasonable suspicion, they handcuffed the man, placed him in the back of a patrol car, and ran his record. It turned out he was the intended arrestee’s landlord. The landlord went on to help the police enter the person’s unit to effect the arrest, but he later filed a complaint alleging racial discrimination and unlawful detention. Ignoring the central fact that they had handcuffed a man and put him in a police car despite having no reason to believe he had done anything wrong, a sergeant vigorously defended FPD’s actions, characterizing the detention as “minimal” and pointing out that the car was air conditioned. Even temporary detention, however, constitutes a deprivation of liberty and must be justified under the Fourth Amendment. Whren v. United States, 517 U.S. 806, 809-10 (1996).

Nothing to see here…move along.

29 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 4, 2015 12:49:35pm

re: #19 Great White Snark

Hey fuck him. Brown got shot by a bigoted thug too impatient to wait for backup to confront a black man.

Wilson probably did not call backup because he wanted all the fun for himself…

30 lawhawk  Mar 4, 2015 12:50:55pm

re: #27 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

A dangerous time where crime (murders, rapes, assaults, grand theft auto, robberies, larcenies, etc.) pretty much across the board is down from the historical highs of 2-3 decades ago. And they’re still dropping.

It’s safer now than it’s ever been since those records have been in place, but excessive force by law enforcement is a greater problem than ever.

31 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 4, 2015 12:53:32pm
32 Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 4, 2015 12:53:44pm

Making up the law to be whatever the fuck they feel like:

This incident is also consistent with a pattern of suspicionless, legally unsupportable stops we found documented in FPD’s records, described by FPD as “ped checks” or “pedestrian checks.” Though at times officers use the term to refer to reasonable-suspicion-based pedestrian stops, or “Terry stops,” they often use it when stopping a person with no objective, articulable suspicion. For example, one night in December 2013, officers went out and “ped. checked those wandering around” in Ferguson’s apartment complexes. In another case, officers responded to a call about a man selling drugs by stopping a group of six African-American youths who, due to their numbers, did not match the facts of the call. The youths were “detained and ped checked.” Officers invoke the term “ped check” as though it has some unique constitutional legitimacy. It does not. Officers may not detain a person, even briefly, without articulable reasonable suspicion. Terry, 392 U.S. at 21. To the extent that the words “ped check” suggest otherwise, the terminology alone is dangerous because it threatens to confuse officers’ understanding of the law. Moreover, because FPD does not track or analyze pedestrian Terry stops—whether termed “ped checks” or something else—in any reliable

More…

…in the summer of 2012, an officer detained a 32-year-old African-American man who was sitting in his car cooling off after playing basketball. The officer arguably had grounds to stop and question the man, since his windows appeared more deeply tinted than permitted under Ferguson’s code. Without cause, the officer went on to accuse the man of being a pedophile, prohibit the man from using his cell phone, order the man out of his car for a pat-down despite having no reason to believe he was armed, and ask to search his car. When the man refused, citing his constitutional rights, the officer reportedly pointed a gun at his head, and arrested him. The officer charged the man with eight different counts, including making a false declaration for initially providing the short form of his first name (e.g., “Mike” instead of “Michael”) and an address that, although legitimate, differed from the one on his license. The officer also charged the man both with having an expired operator’s license, and with having no operator’s license in possession. The man told us he lost his job as a contractor with the federal government as a result of the charges.

I’m the guy with the fucking gun! You really want to assert your rights? Do ya?

33 Nyet  Mar 4, 2015 12:54:52pm

OK, I’m finished with the Brown report. It’s a sobering reading. One obvious lesson is: it’s not the quantity of witnesses that matters, but the quality. In theory we all know this, of course…

34 Charles Johnson  Mar 4, 2015 12:55:17pm
35 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 4, 2015 12:55:57pm

re: #28 Aunty Entity Dragon

I’ve been reading the report.

Good times…not.

For example, in July 2013 police encountered an African-American man in a parking lot while on their way to arrest someone else at an apartment building. Police knew that the encountered man was not the person they had come to arrest. Nonetheless, without even reasonable suspicion, they handcuffed the man, placed him in the back of a patrol car, and ran his record. It turned out he was the intended arrestee’s landlord. The landlord went on to help the police enter the person’s unit to effect the arrest, but he later filed a complaint alleging racial discrimination and unlawful detention. Ignoring the central fact that they had handcuffed a man and put him in a police car despite having no reason to believe he had done anything wrong, a sergeant vigorously defended FPD’s actions, characterizing the detention as “minimal” and pointing out that the car was air conditioned. Even temporary detention, however, constitutes a deprivation of liberty and must be justified under the Fourth Amendment. Whren v. United States, 517 U.S. 806, 809-10 (1996).

Nothing to see here…move along.

Good grief people the police car was AIR CONDITIONED!!!!!

Can we talk about real abuse now, such as the Obamacare subsidies that don’t apply to me because I get health insurance through my employer?

/

36 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2015 12:56:12pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

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My surprise, let me - Aw, fuck it. Of course they did.

37 Sionainn  Mar 4, 2015 12:58:03pm

I’ve only gotten through page 42 of the report and had to stop reading for awhile. It’s horrific.

38 Great White Snark  Mar 4, 2015 12:58:26pm

For convenience…
Link to the report

39 Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 4, 2015 12:58:27pm

Also reading that every police dog bite use of force has been on an African American…

All of them.

Holy shit.

40 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 4, 2015 12:59:09pm

Why did it take deaths and rioting to bring this sort of thing to light?

41 Kragar  Mar 4, 2015 1:00:07pm

re: #40 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Why did it take deaths and rioting to bring this sort of thing to light?

Good ole boys know how to cover their own

42 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 4, 2015 1:00:13pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Werenot racists we support for Ben Carson!!!!11

43 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 4, 2015 1:00:26pm

re: #40 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Why did it take deaths and rioting to bring this sort of thing to light?

Because we ignore the erosion done by the ocean until a hurricane cuts a new channel through the barrier islands.

44 Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 4, 2015 1:00:56pm

Read that one officer claimed that when passengers in an auto refused to hand over ID, that was considered “furtive aggressive behavior” and cause to arrest for failure to comply.

Also utterly unconstitutional.

45 Kilroy01  Mar 4, 2015 1:04:29pm

So do these people have any recourse now that the DOJ has exposed the FPD’s misdeeds? (understatement of the year)

46 Great White Snark  Mar 4, 2015 1:05:49pm

re: #40 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Why did it take deaths and rioting to bring this sort of thing to light?

What it took was new media and the instant attention that gets us. Which is why I think we have hope for change. Twitter, live stream and news outlets like BBC and Al Jaz.

47 Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 4, 2015 1:07:09pm

re: #45 Kilroy01

So do these people have any recourse now that the DOJ has exposed the FPD’s misdeeds? (understatement of the year)

Not without an attorney, and even then the legal system is heavily biased towards finality, even if the initial outcom was biased or unfair.

48 Thanos  Mar 4, 2015 1:07:50pm

Here’s the PDF on the Michael Brown segment of the investigation:

49 Thanos  Mar 4, 2015 1:08:26pm

and here is the report on the department:

50 Kryptik  Mar 4, 2015 1:11:15pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Quelle surprise. Racists being racists.

Unfortunately, they still comprise enough of the country, and far more of the positions of actual power than they should rightfully have, that ignoring them simply means the collective sore continues to fester. And yet, my gnawing worry that even this kind of high level exposure can only do so much, if people aren’t willing to change it. Far too many seem to see this kind of shit, and think ‘This is EXACTLY what I want out of my society, good job!!’

51 TedStriker  Mar 4, 2015 1:11:22pm

re: #41 Kragar

Good ole boys know how to cover their own

Like a well-oiled machine.

52 Thanos  Mar 4, 2015 1:11:27pm
We have uncovered significant evidence showing that racial bias has impermissibly

played a role in shaping the actions of police and court officials in Ferguson. That evidence,

detailed below, includes:

1) the consistency and magnitude of the racial disparities found throughout police and court enforcement actions;
2) direct communications by police supervisors and court officials that exhibit racial bias, particularly against African Americans;
3) a number of other communications by police and court officials that reflect harmful racial stereotypes;
4) the background and historic context surrounding FPD’s racially disparate enforcement practices;
5) Ferguson’s discriminatory practices also violate Title VI and the Safe Streets Act, which, in addition to prohibiting some forms of unintentional conduct that has a disparate impact based on race, also prohibit intentionally discriminatory conduct that has a disparate impact. See 42 U.S.C. § 2000d; 42 U.S.C. § 3789d.

the fact that City, police, and court officials failed to take any meaningful steps to evaluate or address the race-based impact of its law enforcement practices despite longstanding and widely reported racial disparities, and instead consistently reapplied police and court practices known to disparately impact African Americans.

53 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 1:11:40pm

Absolutely incredible.

I tried to tell people we’re not “post-racial”. Not even close, with this kind of shit going on.

We have a lot of work to do.

54 Thanos  Mar 4, 2015 1:12:47pm

The real fun doesn’t start til page ninety with the recommendations of changes needed to fix the problems.

55 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 1:12:56pm

Fuck you. Michael Brown has no life at all, thanks to you, you racist piece of filth.

Former Ferguson, Mo., police officer Darren Wilson’s attorney says Wilson relieved by Department of Justice announcement he will not face federal charges; ‘It’s been a long road for him. Now he needs to get on with his life’ - @kmoxnews
read more on cbslocal.com

56 Kilroy01  Mar 4, 2015 1:13:57pm

re: #47 Aunty Entity Dragon

Not without an attorney, and even then the legal system is heavily biased towards finality, even if the initial outcom was biased or unfair.

That isn’t very positive as whatever happens to the FPD won’t have a direct deterrent effect on other departments not under any type of DOJ scrutiny. Which is most of them.

57 Great White Snark  Mar 4, 2015 1:14:16pm

Not sure if this came up, but given the level of focus on the black population, Ferguson would be prime territory for white felons to operate. Less likely to get “Ped Checked’ or pulled over.

58 EPR-radar  Mar 4, 2015 1:15:56pm

This kind of thing irritates me. If I were a DOJ negotiator, my opening position for consent decree talks would be elimination of all flyspeck municipalities in the St. Louis area, combined with elimination of the corresponding law enforcement agencies. Remaining law enforcement agencies would need to fire known racists and be under Federal supervision for at least 30 years.

59 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 1:25:35pm

Department of Justice investigation shows Ferguson, Mo., police force frequently escalate, rather than defuse, tensions with residents, Attorney General Eric Holder says
end of alert

60 Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 4, 2015 1:25:36pm

Since policeone.com has hidden their forums, I checked officer.com to see what they were up to

They do not disappoint:

Ok, I’m sure I will get blasted for this, called a closet racist, and then I’ll have to pull the go-to card of all closet racists… “But I have black friends”. Call me what you will, I know the truth, but I’m sick and tired of people making every cop look bad because they are unwilling to state the obvious.

*******

It’s easy. Just stop arresting minorities. After three weeks of crushing crime waves, watch the outcry.

*******

Like you, I’m weary of the rhetoric concerning racism and the disproportionate “harassment” of minorities. Statistics can be manipulated to make them say anything you want them to. I listen to the news reports and it appears most agencies have hopped on the racism “bandwagon” to get their few minutes of recognition and fame. I’d like to see true and honest reporting, validated statistics, and above all, people taking responsibility for their own actions or non-actions. These all have little to do with race. MYO

All the commenters are complaining about abuse of statistics and the report is bullshit because reasons!!!!

61 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 1:26:28pm

Attorney General Eric Holder: These Ferguson, Mo., policing practices disproportionately harm black residents; no other explanation other than racial bias
end of alert

62 No Country For Old Haters  Mar 4, 2015 1:26:29pm

re: #42 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Werenot racists we support for Ben Carson!!!!11

Republicans will settle for misogyny or homophobia if you can’t manage some old-fashioned anti-AA racism. They’re a big tent and will accept almost any kind of bigot.

63 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 1:26:42pm

Attorney General Eric Holder: Ferguson, Mo., leaders need to take ‘immediate and wholesale’ action following Justice Department report
end of alert

64 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 1:27:06pm

Ferguson, Mo., city officials relied on police ‘as a collection agency’ instead of public safety agency, Attorney General Eric Holder says - @KMOV
see original on twitter.com

65 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 1:27:26pm

Attorney General Eric Holder says Justice Department report on Ferguson, Mo., police department ‘searing,’ reveals bias; says not difficult to see how a single tragic incident set off ‘powder keg’ in city
end of alert

66 Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 4, 2015 1:27:52pm

re: #58 EPR-radar

This kind of thing irritates me. If I were a DOJ negotiator, my opening position for consent decree talks would be elimination of all flyspeck municipalities in the St. Louis area, combined with elimination of the corresponding law enforcement agencies. Remaining law enforcement agencies would need to fire known racists and be under Federal supervision for at least 30 years.

We know from decades of experience that the line officers and supervisers will subvert and resist any attempt at reform.

We would be better off canning the entire department and starting fresh.

67 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 1:29:22pm

re: #62 No Country For Old Haters

Republicans will settle for misogyny or homophobia if you can’t manage some old-fashioned anti-AA racism. They’re a big tent and will accept almost any kind of bigot.

Pretty much. The GOP’s idea of diversity is having people like Carson, Cruz, and Jindal who are as homophobic and sexist as their white counter-parts.

68 aagcobb  Mar 4, 2015 1:30:59pm

re: #17 Kryptik

Yeah, pretty much any kind of discussion on this I seem to run into ends up devolving into insisting that the only real problem is blacks being inherently criminal and violent savages and that if they just stopped being thugs, the police wouldn’t have to do this kind of stuff.

It’s one of those things that affirms my lack of faith in basic humanity.

And just as a reminder that “race” is an illusion, these two girls, one black and one white, are twin sisters:

69 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 4, 2015 1:32:10pm

re: #60 Aunty Entity Dragon

Since policeone.com has hidden their forums, I checked officer.com to see what they were up to

They do not disappoint:

It’s easy. Just stop arresting minorities. After three weeks of crushing crime waves, watch the outcry.

It is not about not arresting minorities, it is about not arresting people just because they are minorities

70 Nyet  Mar 4, 2015 1:33:45pm

Ren-TV says the investigators allegedly have portraits of Nemtsov’s killers.

Allegedly they are “probably natives of the Southern regions of Russia” (read: Caucasians).

newsru.com

71 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2015 1:34:50pm

As a Kentuckian who has endured (and still enduring) THE WORST WINTER on record here, I would like to cordially say, STFU and go away:

72 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 1:35:01pm

re: #68 aagcobb

And just as a reminder that “race” is an illusion, these two girls, one black and oen white, are twin sisters:

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I can see the resemblance. That’s quite amazing really but I have read about that before.

73 D_Red  Mar 4, 2015 1:35:25pm

read: Caucasians)

read: scary muslims

there, fixed it for you

74 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 1:36:00pm

re: #71 Backwoods_Sleuth

As a Kentuckian who has endured (and still enduring) THE WORST WINTER on record here, I would like to cordially say, STFU and go away:

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Mitch McCalhoun.

75 Kragar  Mar 4, 2015 1:38:29pm
76 Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 4, 2015 1:39:08pm

A couple of weeks ago, The Atlantic had a column on “Cops see it differently”, which explored how cops and regular citizens could come to absolutely opposed conclusions on the same data or video.

Here we go again, from the usual cast of geniuses at the overtly racist NYPD forum Thee Rant:

I don’t understand why these percentages are alarming. People who are not willfully ignorant would say these percentages make sense. I think the majority of Americans can make sense of these numbers. This is nothing more than a witch hunt by the DOJ. This is an attempt to appease a voting block.

It all makes sense! the darkies have to be controlled and the numbers prove it

Here’s another:

Whites don’t get upset for being known for school/mall shootings so why are blacks determined to shrug off their claims to fame like smoking spliffs , and robberies ? The white population of Ferguson is probably like that left in the confines of some Bronx precincts, they come out very early in the morning to shop before the bums are roused from their slumber, usually noonish.

I don’t even have words for that one…and this guy has a badge and a gun.

77 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 4, 2015 1:39:41pm

re: #75 Kragar

And yet we’re pictured as being dandies dressed in weird costumes and make-up compared to the masculine mens who live in red states. Funny that.

78 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 1:40:09pm

re: #75 Kragar

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Says the guy who agitates for the ability to be armed while in a restaurant.

79 Dr Lizardo  Mar 4, 2015 1:40:40pm

re: #75 Kragar

More projection than an IMAX theatre.

One of my students watched an Alex Jones rant on YouTube, and she asked me later why he hadn’t been locked up in an asylum instead of being given a microphone.

*sigh*

80 Nyet  Mar 4, 2015 1:41:02pm

re: #73 D_Red

read: Caucasians)

read: scary muslims

there, fixed it for you

No, that’s not the same.

81 Eventual Carrion  Mar 4, 2015 1:41:08pm

re: #10 Kragar

He followed up with “He went for Wilson’s gun.” and “Wilson was acquitted.”

I just walked away after that.

So was OJ and I bet he still thinks he did it.

82 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2015 1:41:34pm

re: #71 Backwoods_Sleuth

As a Kentuckian who has endured (and still enduring) THE WORST WINTER on record here, I would like to cordially say, STFU and go away:

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This proposed regulation would have a negligible effect on global climate but a profoundly negative impact on countless American families already struggling…

Don’t be complicit in the administration’s attack on the middle class. Think twice before submitting a state plan—which could lock you in to federal enforcement and expose you to lawsuits—when the administration is standing on shaky legal ground and when, without your support, it won’t be able to demonstrate the capacity to carry out such political extremism.

Refusing to go along at this time with such an extreme proposed regulation would give the courts time to figure out if it is even legal, and it would give Congress more time to fight back. We’re devising strategies now to do just that.

That’s a direct quote from Mcconnell by the way.

My god, do you understand what this is about?

Between this and the Alabama gay marriage thing earlier today and whole lot else that has happened recently, we have reached a point in American history where state legislators feel that it’s PERFECTLY OK for them to pick and choose WHICH Federal Laws and regulations they want to follow.

83 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 1:41:36pm

re: #77 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

And yet we’re pictured as being dandies dressed in weird costumes and make-up compared to the masculine mens who live in red states. Funny that.

Yeah I don’t get. What are we? Are we cowardly little peaceniks who aren’t real manly men because we aren’t ammosexuals or are we in the Mr. I see false flags everywhere’s mind demonic villains. Kind of like how Obama is weak and yet he’s also as bad as Hitler.

84 lawhawk  Mar 4, 2015 1:41:38pm
85 Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 4, 2015 1:41:46pm

re: #75 Kragar

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so we became Khorne worshippers? I want a Juggernaut and a Brass Scorpion.

86 aagcobb  Mar 4, 2015 1:42:40pm

America is massively over policed, given the huge drop in the crime rate. Most cops should be fired, and replaced with a much smaller, mostly unarmed group well trained in conflict resolution.

87 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 1:42:44pm

re: #82 Eclectic Cyborg

That’s a direct quote from Mcconnell by the way.

My god, do you understand what this is about?

Between this and the Alabama gay marriage thing earlier today and whole lot else that has happened recently, we have reached a point in American history where state legislators feel that it’s PERFECTLY OK for them to pick and choose WHICH Federal Laws and regulations they want to follow.

What’s old is new again. Hence why I likened McConnell to John C. Calhoun. One of Senator Ernst from Iowa’s big things is nullification too.

88 Kragar  Mar 4, 2015 1:43:52pm

re: #85 Aunty Entity Dragon

so we became Khorne worshippers? I want a Juggernaut and and Brass Scorpion.

89 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 1:44:11pm

re: #84 lawhawk

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That’s pathetic but that’s Boehner for you. He really thinks he can win this.

90 Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 4, 2015 1:44:58pm

re: #86 aagcobb

America is massively over policed, given the huge drop in the crime rate. Most cops should be fired, and replaced with a much smaller, mostly unarmed group well trained in conflict resolution.

This.

I heard last month we have more police departments than Canada has actual police officers.

Something amiss, methinks.

91 aagcobb  Mar 4, 2015 1:46:04pm

re: #84 lawhawk

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I read the transcript of the oral argument today, and I’m hopeful that Kennedy will rule for the government on the grounds that the plaintiffs’ interpretation would constitute unconstitutional coercion of the states by the federal government by threatening to destroy their individual health insurance markets. Roberts said very little; he seems to slightly lean for the plaintiffs, but of course he surprised us last time.

92 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2015 1:46:16pm

re: #86 aagcobb

America is massively over policed, given the huge drop in the crime rate. Most cops should be fired, and replaced with a much smaller, mostly unarmed group well trained in conflict resolution.

93 EPR-radar  Mar 4, 2015 1:47:56pm

re: #66 Aunty Entity Dragon

We know from decades of experience that the line officers and supervisers will subvert and resist any attempt at reform.

We would be better off canning the entire department and starting fresh.

That’s pretty much what I was thinking. Get rid of all the little police departments. The remaining ones (state troopers, St. Louis county, and St Louis city) would need a thorough de-lousing.

94 Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 4, 2015 1:48:55pm

re: #91 aagcobb

I read the transcript of the oral argument today, and I’m hopeful that Kennedy will rule for the government on the grounds that the plaintiffs’ interpretation would constitute unconstitutional coercion of the states by the federal government by threatening to destroy their individual health insurance markets. Roberts said very little; he seems to slightly lean for the plaintiffs, but of course he surprised us last time.

Can we dispence with the pretense that Scalia is anything but a malign hack who would be happy to see Americans dropping dead after losing dialysis if it meant he got to fuck over Obama?

95 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 1:49:07pm

What we need is not more cops but fewer and better trained cops.

96 Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 4, 2015 1:49:46pm

re: #95 HappyWarrior

What we need is not more cops but fewer and better trained cops.

Fewer assault rifles and no damned tanks at all.

97 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 1:50:36pm

re: #96 Aunty Entity Dragon

Fewer assault rifles and no damned tanks at all.

Yeah. We need to cut back on the militarization of the police departments for sure.

98 EPR-radar  Mar 4, 2015 1:53:06pm

re: #94 Aunty Entity Dragon

Can we dispence with the pretense that Scalia is anything but a malign hack who would be happy to see Americans dropping dead after losing dialysis if it meant he got to fuck over Obama?

Scalia’s status is one of those quick ways to see if you are dealing with a wingnut.

Anyone who pretends that Scalia is anything other than one of the worst partisan hacks to ever befoul the Supreme Court is a wingnut.

99 Charles Johnson  Mar 4, 2015 1:56:32pm
100 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 1:58:11pm
101 Kragar  Mar 4, 2015 1:59:39pm
102 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 2:00:15pm

re: #101 Kragar

That cock of the walk will still crow.

103 The War TARDIS  Mar 4, 2015 2:00:46pm

re: #101 Kragar

Hopefully he will be tendering a resignation.

104 Ace-o-aces  Mar 4, 2015 2:01:30pm

re: #5 Kragar

I tried to bring this up with the Libertarian I work with. His response?

“Wilson shot a thug. End of story.”

Libertarian? So the government can’t be trusted unless it’s shooting unarmed black people. Got it.

105 Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2015 2:02:26pm

re: #101 Kragar

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Oh, let me guess, something like “This report is taken out of context, it does not reflect the FPD as I know it, it is an insult to our cops, and this is the Feds trying to make us look bad.” Am I close?

106 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2015 2:05:11pm

Sleet has arrived in the Backwoods…

dammit.

107 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 4, 2015 2:06:01pm

OH LOOK HEAR IS MOAR DERP==>

108 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 2:06:16pm

re: #106 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ouch. Sending you some 69 deg weather.

109 Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 4, 2015 2:07:23pm

re: #101 Kragar

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That bastard really needs to step down.

Now.

110 Shiplord Kirel  Mar 4, 2015 2:10:05pm

Ferguson is a majority black community, by a pretty substantial margin. I think it needs a major GOTV campaign to remove this racist elite.

111 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 2:12:06pm

re: #100 Justanotherhuman

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I like him a lot. Good guy with a lot of knowledge about various issues. It should be a healthy primary since each of Maryland’s congressional districts but the one on the Eastern shore are represented by Democrats.

112 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 2:12:43pm

re: #101 Kragar

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I hope it’s a resignation but I am anticipating it’s more bullshit from this fucker.

113 goddamnedfrank  Mar 4, 2015 2:13:34pm

re: #75 Kragar

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The Joel Gilbert in that article is CCJ’s business partner.

Corporation Wiki lists him as the registered agent for Got News LLC. Though there is a discrepancy because the CA Secretary of State lists CCJ as the registered agent, so Gilbert might have originally been the agent and then it was changed.

Gilbert is also the guy who interviewed Stevie Fiedler and paid him to lie. Gilbert was originally listed on Got News as co-author on that story, but his byline has since been removed.

Johnson and Gilbert’s involvement together goes at least as far back as the failed Corey Booker story:

Two and a half long months ago, reporter Charles C. Johnson teamed up with Joel Gilbert—a birther director who previously claimed that Barack Obama was sired by a communist poet—and talked to a few Newark residents who hated Cory Booker. The resulting Daily Caller story, titled “Neighbors: Cory Booker Never Lived in Newark,” was buzzy enough to generate questions for the New Jersey U.S. Senate candidate in his final press avails before he won the special election. Steve Lonegan, Booker’s opponent, even held a press conference to draw attention to the claims. It didn’t take much for BuzzFeed’s Ruby Cramer to prove that the article was wrong, or to later prove that Johnson had previously (and without declaring it in his journalism) done research for an anti-Booker PAC.

114 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 4, 2015 2:15:06pm

re: #111 HappyWarrior

I like him a lot. Good guy with a lot of knowledge about various issues. It should be a healthy primary since each of Maryland’s congressional districts but the one on the Eastern shore are represented by Democrats.

yeah he’s a better candidate than former Lt Gov Brown, or even more former Lt. Gov Kathleen Kennedy (who is being rumored about running). Former AG Gansler would be a good candidate, too. As would OMalley, although he isn’t running. Yet. Former Howard County (my county)Executive and Lt Gov candidate Ken Ulman would be a good candidate also. Gansler and Ulman are probably holding out for the next governor’s race.

115 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 2:19:07pm

re: #114 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

yeah he’s a better candidate than former Lt Gov Brown, or even more former Lt. Gov Kathleen Kennedy (who is being rumored about running). Former AG Gansler would be a good candidate, too. As would OMalley, although he isn’t running. Yet. Former Howard County (my county)Executive and Lt Gov candidate Ken Ulman would be a good candidate also. Gansler and Ulman are probably holding out for the next governor’s race.

Yeah wasn’t really impressed with either Brown or Kennedy’s guberotrial runs. I’m sure they’re great people but I think Van Hollen would be very good. There’s lots of good picks though in the mix though as you say. That’s one benefit Maryland Democrats have that we don’t have here across the Potomac. With both Warner and Kaine in the Senate, the bench was pretty thin.

116 ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2015 2:21:11pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

I hope it’s a resignation but I am anticipating it’s more bullshit from this fucker.

He’s standing by the ‘facts’ of the case. He’s more or less saying “I told you so, but I was criticized unfairly.”

117 Great White Snark  Mar 4, 2015 2:21:12pm

re: #95 HappyWarrior

If this simple yellow belt level of training had been applied, a homeless man from LA would still be alive.

officer.com

118 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 2:23:05pm

re: #117 Great White Snark

If this basic simple yellow belt level of training had applied, a homeless man from LA would still be alive.

officer.com

No doubt. There’s so many deaths that could have been prevented.

119 Kryptik  Mar 4, 2015 2:24:14pm

re: #116 ObserverArt

It’s easy to ‘stand by the facts’ when the scene gets scrubbed of anything ‘inconvenient’. It’s why the DoJ report went out of its way to say ‘it couldn’t find evidence to support bringing charges’, not that ‘the evidence available supports the ruling’. That, and the entire emphasis that ‘not guilty =/= innocent’ that assholes keep missing when they crow that people like Wilson were ‘totally vindicated’

120 Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 4, 2015 2:24:36pm

re: #118 HappyWarrior

No doubt. There’s so many deaths that could have been prevented.

That assumes that the officers in question were interested in preventing them.

The emphasis is on “what I can legally justify” instead of “what should I actually have done”.

121 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 2:25:58pm

re: #120 Aunty Entity Dragon

That assumes that the officers in question were interested in preventing them.

The emphasis is on “what I can legally justify” instead of “what should I actually have done”.

Yep to go on, we also need a culture change. There’s too much of this thought that people need to die if they violate the law. It’s a mindset I see in the comments on Police One regarding people like Mike Brown where simply because the kid commited a crime, he deserved to die. We saw the same thing with Treyvon.

122 aagcobb  Mar 4, 2015 2:28:30pm

re: #106 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sleet has arrived in the Backwoods…

dammit.

The snow has already started in Frankfort. I think we’re going to get a foot.

123 Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2015 2:29:28pm

re: #119 Kryptik

It’s easy to ‘stand by the facts’ when the scene gets scrubbed of anything ‘inconvenient’. It’s why the DoJ report went out of its way to say ‘it couldn’t find evidence to support bringing charges’, not that ‘the evidence available supports the ruling’. That, and the entire emphasis that ‘not guilty =/= innocent’ that assholes keep missing when they crow that people like Wilson were ‘totally vindicated’

In light of this report, speculation that the department was willfully ignoring or even destroying evidence seems to have new life. All the facts of the case, from Wilson being allowed to wash his hands and turn in his gun after wiping it down, the medical examiner making a total hash of the crime scene, and the inclusion of the convenience store video makes it clear that this was a department in CYA mode from the very beginning.

This report makes it much clearer why Wilson felt justified in pulling up next to a black teen and screaming at him, rather than just moving on.

124 Kragar  Mar 4, 2015 2:30:14pm

Current San Diego weather:

Scattered clouds, 67 C, light winds

125 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 2:31:18pm

re: #117 Great White Snark

Poor guy had just been released from a mental hospital, 10 yrs, iirc. He was also slated for deportation, from what I read this morning, back to Cameroon.

126 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2015 2:34:01pm

Today in stupid rehashed right wing memes…

127 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 2:34:15pm

re: #125 Justanotherhuman

Poor guy had just been released from a mental hospital, 10 yrs, iirc. He was also slated for deportation, from what I read this morning, back to Cameroon.

Well that touches on another theme. We need to do more about mental illness.

128 Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2015 2:35:55pm

re: #82 Eclectic Cyborg

That’s a direct quote from Mcconnell by the way.

My god, do you understand what this is about?

Between this and the Alabama gay marriage thing earlier today and whole lot else that has happened recently, we have reached a point in American history where state legislators feel that it’s PERFECTLY OK for them to pick and choose WHICH Federal Laws and regulations they want to follow.

You ain’t just whistlin’ Dixie.

129 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 2:36:38pm

re: #126 Eclectic Cyborg

Today in stupid rehashed right wing memes…

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And yet he votes Republican blindly because he actually buys all that crap about voting Democratic. By the way, I’d like Mr. Anderson to show me one area that has since legalized marrying dogs since legalizing same sex marriage? What’s that? A right wing logical fallacy? Oh no.//

130 Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2015 2:36:55pm

Let the fishing expedition begin!

131 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 2:38:09pm

re: #125 Justanotherhuman

Well, it seems it was prison, not a mental hospital unless it was inside the prison. He had a fairly “checkered” past but killing him was unwarranted. Also, neither France nor Cameroon would take him since he had apparently stolen the identity of a French citizen.

abcnews.go.com

Don’t know if all those details are true, just linking as reported.

132 Kragar  Mar 4, 2015 2:38:13pm
133 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 2:38:13pm

re: #130 Targetpractice

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Let the fishing expedition begin!

Here we go agh.

134 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 2:39:05pm

re: #130 Targetpractice

Led by Trey Gowdy…another Gomer, without the charm.

135 Nyet  Mar 4, 2015 2:39:09pm

re: #130 Targetpractice

*eyeroll*

In other news, Francisco Benghazi is still dead.

136 Tigger2  Mar 4, 2015 2:39:27pm

This hit my news feed on facebook.

The Ferguson Police Department At Roll Call
137 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2015 2:40:20pm

re: #122 aagcobb

The snow has already started in Frankfort. I think we’re going to get a foot.

Snow just started here, mixed in with the sleet.

138 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 2:40:26pm

re: #136 Tigger2

This hit my timeline on facebook.

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Insulting to the noble pig. : )

139 Dr Lizardo  Mar 4, 2015 2:40:40pm

re: #130 Targetpractice

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Let the fishing expedition begin!

Benghazemailgate!!!

*lord help us….another investigation that will serve up a big nothingburger*

140 Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2015 2:40:52pm

Whitewater 2: Electric Boogaloo commences.

141 Lidane  Mar 4, 2015 2:45:25pm

So, in spite of:

—the CPAC 2015 brochures in one of the meeting rooms
—the mention in passing of SarahPAC during a conversation
—the client list that reads like a straight ticket of wingnut fail (and yes, you’d recognize many of them)

Today has been a hell of a lot of fun despite being completely crazy. I got here at 9am and by 10am I was in a meeting with the client and having to take notes and brainstorm on a candidate and strategy I didn’t know a damn thing about. I basically got thrown into the deep end of the pool with an anchor tied to my legs.

I am definitely looking foward to seeing where this goes.

142 Nyet  Mar 4, 2015 2:47:13pm

LifeNews promotes Russian neo-Nazis:

143 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 2:47:32pm

Well, damn it. They were apparently unrelated.

Police: 2 jump from George Washington Bridge minutes apart; both perished - @njdotcom

nj.com

144 RealityBasedSteve  Mar 4, 2015 2:48:02pm

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

Snow just started here, mixed in with the sleet.

The rain has just shifted to freezing rain / ice here in the last little bit. Not going to be fun.

RBS

145 aagcobb  Mar 4, 2015 2:50:01pm

re: #142 Nyet

LifeNews promotes Russian neo-Nazis:

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One can just imagine the reaction of veterans of the Great Patriotic War to that Nimrod.

146 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 2:50:44pm

re: #144 RealityBasedSteve

If we get through Friday, Spring Has Sprung in this area. And I’ve seen green sprouts of lilies around the apts.

147 bratwurst  Mar 4, 2015 2:51:02pm

Jake Tapper is retweeting virulent racist and all around fucking asshole John Nolte:

148 Nyet  Mar 4, 2015 2:51:54pm

re: #145 aagcobb

One can just imagine the reaction of veterans of the Great Patriotic War to that Nimrod.

This is of course the same guy who was cutting off dogs’ heads. I’ll spare you the gruesome photos.

149 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 2:54:47pm

re: #142 Nyet

LifeNews promotes Russian neo-Nazis:

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Doesn’t Russian gov’t propaganda repeatedly accuse the Ukrainians of being Nazis? Hmmmm irony.

150 RealityBasedSteve  Mar 4, 2015 2:54:57pm

re: #146 Justanotherhuman

If we get through Friday, Spring Has Sprung in this area. And I’ve seen green sprouts of lilies around the apts.

Yesterday it was about 60 degrees, and there was a robin sitting in the tree outside the deck announcing how available he was to all the ladies. He’ll be huddled up tonight and tomorrow for sure.

RBS

151 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 2:56:07pm

re: #147 bratwurst

Jake Tapper is retweeting virulent racist and all around fucking asshole John Nolte:

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Mr. I think teachers who take their kids to political rallies should be shot is complaining about offensiveness? It’s funny how conservatives are against political correctness until a liberal makes a joke.

152 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 2:59:01pm

Jon Stewart is somehow terrible but yet you won’t hear a word of condemnation for the bigots on the Ferguson PD from Nolte because you know liberal comic is somehow worse than bigoted cops.

153 MomSense  Mar 4, 2015 3:02:57pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

That is disturbing.

154 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 4, 2015 3:04:55pm

re: #145 aagcobb

One can just imagine the reaction of veterans of the Great Patriotic War to that Nimrod.

hmm i wonder what the soviet/russian term for world war one is

155 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 4, 2015 3:07:09pm

re: #126 Eclectic Cyborg

Today in stupid rehashed right wing memes…

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Top 12 Reasons Why I Voted Republican

156 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 3:08:49pm

re: #155 The Mother Of All Pies

Top 12 Reasons Why I Voted Republican

A good tick for tack there since it actually involves Republican policies.

157 Kragar  Mar 4, 2015 3:10:02pm
158 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 3:10:53pm

Obviously, the police in MO are pretty much out of control. Look at the 3 cop stories on the left sidebar. In the main story, the 3 are Black officers who are being investigated internally because of allegations of criminal activity, including “assisting drug dealers”.

Report: 3 St. Louis police officers removed from duty amid allegations of criminal conduct that included assisting drug dealers, sources say - @stltoday
stltoday.com

159 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 3:11:05pm

re: #157 Kragar

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Yeah that’s a logical leap to draw from the DOJ report. And ladies and gents, this is an elected official and a former key adviser to the Republican nominee echoing this kooky bullshit not some fringe nut on a radio..

160 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2015 3:11:13pm

re: #132 Kragar

Republicans are working on thoughtful solutions to help hurt Americans hurt helped by Obamacare

FTFOJ (Fixed That For Orange Julius)

161 Charles Johnson  Mar 4, 2015 3:11:56pm
162 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 3:12:53pm

re: #160 Blind Frog Belly White

FTFOJ (Fixed That For Orange Julius)

Unfortunately, that’s true. They really don’t care how many people they screw over as long as it hurts Obama. It’s pathetic isn’t it? They have no real alternative to Obamacare because let’s face it, Obamacare is the conservative alternative but once Obama backed it, they knew they could never back it and had to destroy it because of who signed it. Truly pathetic but that’s been a hallmark of Boehner’s time as speaker. The guy makes Newt Gingrich look like an admirable Speaker.

163 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2015 3:13:15pm

re: #157 Kragar

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Whaa…?

164 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 4, 2015 3:13:26pm
166 Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2015 3:14:03pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

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Yeah, let’s not talk about all the harassment that Chucky and his fellow travelers visited upon the Brown family and anybody even remotely related to him.

167 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 3:14:16pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

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and on behalf of millienials, I’d like to apologize for CCJ. We don’t all crap on the floor and we don’t all reveal people’s addresses out of spite. Really, what a load of crap. Yeah poor widdle Darren Wilson. Fuck that shit.

168 Nyet  Mar 4, 2015 3:14:58pm

re: #154 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

hmm i wonder what the soviet/russian term for world war one is

World War I.

169 wrenchwench  Mar 4, 2015 3:15:52pm

re: #157 Kragar

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‘Not A Huge Jump’ to think Kris Kobach is a racist pig.

170 MomSense  Mar 4, 2015 3:15:56pm

re: #86 aagcobb

Not only are we massively over policed given the falling crime rates, but the constant shift of the tax burden from federal and state to municipal exacerbates the problem. Municipalities are trying to make up budget shortfalls through fees, fines, and property taxes. You add financial pressures to a racist city governance and police force and you end up with nightmares like Ferguson.

171 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 3:16:28pm

re: #169 wrenchwench

‘Not A Huge Jump’ to think Kris Kobach is a racist pig.

Not at all. Mitt Romney did hire him after all.

172 Nyet  Mar 4, 2015 3:16:55pm

re: #168 Nyet

World War I.

Well, if we are literal: “the first world war”.

173 ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2015 3:17:20pm

re: #122 aagcobb

The snow has already started in Frankfort. I think we’re going to get a foot.

We’re getting some wet sleet/snow here in Columbus now too. They say it should amount to less than an inch.

Stay safe Lizards from Kentucky, Tennessee, Southern Ohio, Pennsylvania, NJ and New York. Hopefully this is winter’s last gasp.

174 RealityBasedSteve  Mar 4, 2015 3:17:24pm

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. Will Rodgers never met upChuck.

RBS

175 Kragar  Mar 4, 2015 3:17:26pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

176 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 3:18:55pm

re: #172 Nyet

Well, if we are literal: “the first world war”.

Did you guys call it the Great War like it was in the UK and the US prior to WWII? I’ve actually though documentaries been learning more about Russian involvement in the first world war and it’s really interesting stuff. I’ve since learned that my mom’s maternal grandparents were from right on the edge of where the Austrian-Hungarian empire bordered the Russian empire.

177 Nyet  Mar 4, 2015 3:20:41pm

re: #176 HappyWarrior

No idea how the contemporaries called it, now it’s “the first world war” (WWII is, logically enough, “the second world war”).

178 Charles Johnson  Mar 4, 2015 3:22:40pm
179 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 3:23:04pm

re: #171 HappyWarrior

Not at all. Mitt Romney did hire him after all.

He’s an unethical bastard, to boot.

Kobach voter-fraud allegations exposed as fraudulent

msnbc.com

180 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 3:24:53pm

re: #179 Justanotherhuman

He’s an unethical bastard, to boot.

Kobach voter-fraud allegations exposed as fraudulent

msnbc.com

I’m as shocked as Louie was about the gambling in the casino.// But yeah perfect guy for Mitt. Crooked, bigoted, and an all around asshole.

181 aagcobb  Mar 4, 2015 3:26:07pm

re: #173 ObserverArt

We’re getting some wet sleet/snow here in Columbus now too. They say it should amount to less than an inch.

Stay safe Lizards from Kentucky, Tennessee, Southern Ohio, Pennsylvania, NJ and New York. Hopefully this is winter’s last gasp.

Spring is supposed to arrive here next week. Finally.

182 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 3:26:09pm

re: #173 ObserverArt

Oh, it’s already started:

Emergency officials responding to reports of multiple semi-trucks jack-knifed on Interstate-24 near Vienna, Ill. - @NWSPaducah
end of alert

183 goddamnedfrank  Mar 4, 2015 3:26:56pm

re: #177 Nyet

No idea how the contemporaries called it, now it’s “the first world war” (WWII is, logically enough, “the second world war”).

Wikipedia says one term for it was the Second Fatherland War, which was also applied to World War II.

184 aagcobb  Mar 4, 2015 3:27:26pm

re: #177 Nyet

No idea how the contemporaries called it, now it’s “the first world war” (WWII is, logically enough, “the second world war”).

Its not the Great Patriotic War? Did that term go out of use when the Soviet Union disappeared?

185 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 3:29:25pm

U.S. AMBASSADOR MARK LIPPERT ATTACKED IN SOUTH KOREA

abc7.com

Lippert was giving a lecture when he was attacked.

186 Kragar  Mar 4, 2015 3:30:07pm

re: #169 wrenchwench

187 WhatEVs  Mar 4, 2015 3:30:33pm

John Podhoertz…funnies guy on the planet.

188 ObserverArt  Mar 4, 2015 3:30:42pm

re: #178 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson @Green_Footballs
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OK, I have to put Chuck on mute for a while, because his toxic egomania is making me want to puke.

Puke? Hell, I’d like to grab him by the throat and explain things to him. Like why he is a terrible human and the world doesn’t need his punk ass and his stupid faux journalism.

189 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 3:31:29pm

This says he was on his way to a lecture…

english.yonhapnews.co.kr

His assailant, last name Kim, was said to be armed.

190 goddamnedfrank  Mar 4, 2015 3:32:16pm
Bank of Canada is pleading with Star Trek fans to stop “Spocking” its five dollar bills. Since Leonard Nimoy’s death, Canadian folks have been “Spocking” the hell out of the five dollar bill that features a portrait of Canada’s seventh prime minister Sir Wilfrid Laurier.
191 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2015 3:33:18pm

re: #124 Kragar

I hate you…but you already know that.
;)

192 Nyet  Mar 4, 2015 3:34:27pm

re: #183 goddamnedfrank

Wikipedia says one term for it was the Second Fatherland War, which was also applied to World War II.

Could be in regard to WWI. Somehow I doubt it was used to refer to the Great Patriotic War (which is, of course, not synonymous with WWII). I’m pretty sure the term “the Great Fatherland War” (where “Fatherland” is usually translated as “Patriotic”) was used almost from the start, namely, after Stalin’s July speech.

193 Mike Lamb  Mar 4, 2015 3:35:24pm

re: #166 Targetpractice

Yeah, let’s not talk about all the harassment that Chucky and his fellow travelers visited upon the Brown family and anybody even remotely related to him.

But…THUGZ!!!

194 Kragar  Mar 4, 2015 3:35:31pm

re: #191 Backwoods_Sleuth

I hate you…but you already know that.
;)

Emailed you last night, did you get it?

195 Nyet  Mar 4, 2015 3:35:42pm

re: #184 aagcobb

Its not the Great Patriotic War? Did that term go out of use when the Soviet Union disappeared?

The Great Patriotic War started on 22.06.41. The WWII started on 01.09.39.

196 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 4, 2015 3:36:16pm

HURR HURR DEMOCRATS IS TEH RACISTS!!!!!!

197 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 4, 2015 3:37:09pm

PLANTATION

198 goddamnedfrank  Mar 4, 2015 3:38:42pm

re: #192 Nyet

Could be in regard to WWI. Somehow I doubt it was used to refer to the Great Patriotic War (which is, of course, not synonymous with WWII). I’m pretty sure the term “the Great Fatherland War” (where “Fatherland” is usually translated as “Patriotic”) was used almost from the start, namely, after Stalin’s July speech.

The wiki article is thinly sourced and prior to reading it I’d never heard Second Fatherland War used before in either context. It does say that both first and second fatherland war were used very rarely, with “first” always referring to the 1812 Napoleonic invasion.

199 gwangung  Mar 4, 2015 3:38:55pm

re: #196 The Mother Of All Pies

HURR HURR DEMOCRATS IS TEH RACISTS!!!!!!

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Kinda obvious these fools don’t talk to a lot of black folks.

200 Patricia Kayden  Mar 4, 2015 3:39:17pm

re: #4 Iwouldprefernotto

Conservatives must be pissed that Holder is still in office. If only there was a way to encourage him to retire…

They may be waiting for President Obama to nominate someone of a paler persuasion.

201 Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2015 3:39:52pm

re: #199 gwangung

Kinda obvious these fools don’t talk to a lot of black folks.

Hey now, that’s not true! They all have “black friends”!

///

202 Nyet  Mar 4, 2015 3:40:38pm

re: #198 goddamnedfrank

In any case it would not refer to WWI as a whole, since a “Fatherland” war is by def not a world war.

203 Lidane  Mar 4, 2015 3:41:20pm

...

204 Patricia Kayden  Mar 4, 2015 3:41:31pm

re: #196 The Mother Of All Pies

How is the party which supports voting rights and put the first Black President in the White House racist?

Such nonsense.

205 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 3:42:23pm

The First World War in the US was called the “European War” until the US entered it in 1917. After that, it was called the “World War.”

The term WWII was first coined by Pres Roosevelt in 1941 in the US, although he wasn’t satisfied with it.

Britons called WWI the “Great War” until sometime in the ’40s.

206 Awea  Mar 4, 2015 3:42:47pm

US Ambassador to South Korea Attacked.

Link

207 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2015 3:42:56pm

re: #196 The Mother Of All Pies

HURR HURR DEMOCRATS IS TEH RACISTS!!!!!!

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I never cease to be amazed that the GOP cannot grasp how racist and insulting it is to tell black people they’re stupid and venal enough to be bought off by Free Stuff, and that they think this will be a winning approach to minorities for them.

208 Mattand  Mar 4, 2015 3:44:25pm
209 Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2015 3:44:27pm

re: #207 Blind Frog Belly White

I never cease to be amazed that the GOP cannot grasp how racist and insulting it is to tell black people they’re stupid and venal enough to be bought off by Free Stuff, and that they think this will be a winning approach to minorities for them.

You ever met a racist asshole who wasn’t on some form of government assistance, but convinced that he “earned it,” while black folks were “looking for a hand-out”?

210 gwangung  Mar 4, 2015 3:44:37pm

re: #201 Targetpractice

Hey now, that’s not true! They all have “black friends”!

///

‘Course, they talk AT them, not talk WITH them….

211 Kragar  Mar 4, 2015 3:44:58pm
212 Nyet  Mar 4, 2015 3:45:01pm

re: #198 goddamnedfrank

Here’s Pravda for 24.06.41: olg15960418.narod.ru

So has begun the great fatherland war of the Soviet people against the German fascism.

213 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 3:45:27pm

re: #204 Patricia Kayden

How is the party which supports voting rights and put the first Black President in the White House racist?

Such nonsense.

And furthermore how is the party that pushed the Southern Strategy, put the judges that weakened the VRA, etc not? But yeah black people are too stupid to know the GOP is what’s really good for them.//

214 Mattand  Mar 4, 2015 3:45:54pm

re: #196 The Mother Of All Pies

What’s really sad is that these mouth breathers have a real shot running both the Executive and Legislative branches again.

215 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 3:46:06pm

Live video about to start from Ferguson officials.

nbcnews.com

216 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 3:46:09pm

re: #211 Kragar

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That’s the spirit, Ben. Don’t talk to the media anymore because you can’t handle being criticized for being a stupid idiot.

217 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2015 3:46:45pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

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And UpChuck didn’t sue all the way to the MO Supreme Court. One of his self-styled “legal experts” filed some sort of stupid brief.
Anyone can file a brief. It doesn’t mean you actually had a suit being heard by the Supreme Court.

218 Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2015 3:46:52pm

re: #211 Kragar

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Considering his remarks today were about how he didn’t think gay people deserve “special rights,” I think one might be inclined to ask when he actually started talking about gay rights.

219 goddamnedfrank  Mar 4, 2015 3:47:14pm
220 Nyet  Mar 4, 2015 3:48:21pm

re: #216 HappyWarrior

That’s the spirit, Ben. Don’t talk to the media anymore because you can’t handle being criticized for being a stupid idiot.

And he wants to be a president.

221 Mattand  Mar 4, 2015 3:48:29pm

re: #196 The Mother Of All Pies

It also kills me to see talented cartoonists use their talent for such hateful stuff.

222 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 3:50:04pm

Only one person who sent racist emails has been terminated. Other 2 still on job so far.

223 Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2015 3:50:51pm

re: #220 Nyet

And he wants to be a president.

Yeah, if he thinks the media is being mean to him now, just wait until the actual competition begins, when his fellow Republicans are assailing him from every angle. Or when he gets to the debates and finds that he can’t just get up and walk off when he doesn’t like the way things are going.

224 aagcobb  Mar 4, 2015 3:50:52pm

re: #190 goddamnedfrank

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He does bear a remarkable resemblance to Nimoy, doesn’t he? I don’t see the harm.

225 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 4, 2015 3:51:13pm

re: #207 Blind Frog Belly White

I never cease to be amazed that the GOP cannot grasp how racist and insulting it is to tell black people they’re stupid and venal enough to be bought off by Free Stuff, and that they think this will be a winning approach to minorities for them.

they are working so hard to convince themselves that black is really a pretty eggshell white that they dont have time left over to consider the effect it has on the Others

all these strenuous arguments from the right wing just highlight how absurd and counterintuitive their theories are - nobody ever had to write a 20 paragraph editorial convincing americans that ice cream tastes delicious

226 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 3:52:40pm

One person fired.

One person.

227 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 3:53:14pm

Oh, we hired 2 court clerks, both African-American females.

OK. So what?

228 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2015 3:53:21pm

re: #181 aagcobb

Spring is supposed to arrive here next week. Finally.

I’m beginning to think that Spring won’t arrive until June.
Or maybe July…

229 aagcobb  Mar 4, 2015 3:53:58pm

re: #207 Blind Frog Belly White

I never cease to be amazed that the GOP cannot grasp how racist and insulting it is to tell black people they’re stupid and venal enough to be bought off by Free Stuff, and that they think this will be a winning approach to minorities for them.

I think they know that; its just how they rationalize why the GOP is 90% white.

230 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 3:54:51pm

Five minutes. That’s it.

Oh, “diversity training” and a “consultant” hired who was recommended by the Justice Dept.

Yeah they’re gonna change…

231 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 3:55:05pm

re: #229 aagcobb

I think they know that; its just how they rationalize why the GOP is 90% white.

I like how they claim to represent “real America” even though their party demographics in both their representation Congressionally and voter wise aren’t even close to the country as a whole. Hell it’s not even close to what the country was a generation ago let alone now.

232 aagcobb  Mar 4, 2015 3:55:46pm

re: #214 Mattand

What’s really sad is that these mouth breathers have a real shot running both the Executive and Legislative branches again.

Unless they are very successful at suppressing the minority vote, I doubt it, barring an economic downturn.

233 blueraven  Mar 4, 2015 3:55:47pm

Hillary Clinton used a personal email account and had private server.
Republicans: OMG!!! investigate!! Where are all the emails????!!!

Jeb Bush used a personal email account and had private server.
Republicans: Meh

234 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2015 3:56:52pm

re: #194 Kragar

Emailed you last night, did you get it?

Just checked…yes and I was able to open it without the usual goofiness. YAY!

235 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 3:57:05pm

re: #233 blueraven

Hillary Clinton used a personal email account and had private server.
Republicans: OMG!!! investigate!! Where are all the emails????!!!

Jeb Bush used a personal email account and had private server.
Republicans: Meh

Bbbbut! His was at his office. Hers was at her home.

So what?

236 Patricia Kayden  Mar 4, 2015 3:57:13pm

re: #233 blueraven

Unfortunately, some on the left are buying into this email “scandal” foolishness. I don’t quite understand why.

237 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2015 3:58:57pm

re: #219 goddamnedfrank

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Also note that the cartoon is saying that blacks are too stupid and gullible to realize that the boigotry they see and the discrimination they experience isn’t REALLY happening, it’s just that the Dems are TELLING THEM it’s happening.

And they wonder why they don’t win more than a few percent of the black vote.

238 Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2015 4:00:35pm

re: #236 Patricia Kayden

Unfortunately, some on the left are buying into this email “scandal” foolishness. I don’t quite understand why.

Same reason as the RW. They don’t want HRC to be the nominee.

239 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 4:01:22pm

Haha, GG has tweeted this about an Intercept story:

“The “Snowden is Ready to Come Home!” Story: a Case Study in Typical Media Deceit”

I am the only honest journalist in the existence of reporting!

Go soak your oversized ego, GG.

240 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 4:01:39pm

re: #237 Blind Frog Belly White

Also note that the cartoon is saying that blacks are too stupid and gullible to realize that the boigotry they see and the discrimination they experience isn’t REALLY happening, it’s just that the Dems are TELLING THEM it’s happening.

And they wonder why they don’t win more than a few percent of the black vote.

It’s just so unbelievably patronizing and that’s not even getting at the fact they’re likening voting of your free will to slavery which according to many of them wasn’t even that bad anyhow or something that it was okay for the Southern states to secede over. They really think patronization is the way to get minorities to vote for them rather than you actually treating them with respect. The funny thing is i hear conservatives and Republicans say the Dems take the AA vote for granted. It was actually by taking it for granted that they lost it to the Dems in part in the first place. No Republican since Nixon’s lost to Kennedy has received more than a third of the AA vote. It’s not a consequence that in that time the GOP has grown more cozy with outright racists.

241 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 4, 2015 4:01:47pm

With tears and rage in my eyes I stood there as the sky turned an ashen gray and the great pillars of my country burned around me…

242 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 4:02:23pm

re: #237 Blind Frog Belly White

They don’t want the Black vote; they simply want to humiliate them.

243 b_sharp  Mar 4, 2015 4:03:17pm

re: #190 goddamnedfrank

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Those are the old bills. Not too many left.

244 aagcobb  Mar 4, 2015 4:04:08pm

re: #236 Patricia Kayden

Unfortunately, some on the left are buying into this email “scandal” foolishness. I don’t quite understand why.

A lot of them don’t like Hillary, especially ever since she voted for the Iraq War.

245 Mattand  Mar 4, 2015 4:04:18pm

re: #232 aagcobb

Unless they are very successful at suppressing the minority vote, I doubt it, barring an economic downturn.

I’m not as optimistic as you. I don’t think you’re factoring in the stupidity of the America voter.

Flashback Nov. 2000:

“Let’s see, this Democratic President oversaw one of the greatest economic booms in American history and balance the budget.

“What? He had an affair? Can’t vote for his VP who worked with side-by-side during these great times. We better bring the Republican guy whose dad was president then. He seems nice, and what could possibly go wrong?”

246 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 4:04:56pm

And let’s not forget the numerous times that efforts on Republican candidates have tried to outright deceive predominately African Americans into either voting on the wrong day or not voting at all. And then there’s the condescending bullshit like Rand Paul telling Howard college students that they’d be amazed about the founders of the NAACP being Republicans.

247 aagcobb  Mar 4, 2015 4:05:11pm

re: #237 Blind Frog Belly White

Also note that the cartoon is saying that blacks are too stupid and gullible to realize that the boigotry they see and the discrimination they experience isn’t REALLY happening, it’s just that the Dems are TELLING THEM it’s happening.

And they wonder why they don’t win more than a few percent of the black vote.

African-Americans know the racism the GOP denies happens, because they have to live it every day. Just look at the Ferguson Report.

248 RealityBasedSteve  Mar 4, 2015 4:05:41pm

re: #243 b_sharp

Those are the old bills. Not too many left.

Yea, but they are only worth 4 dollars. Is that metric dollars?

RBS

249 b_sharp  Mar 4, 2015 4:07:06pm

re: #248 RealityBasedSteve

Yea, but they are only worth 4 dollars. Is that metric dollars?

RBS

Always.

Time to charge more for our oil I think.

250 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 4:07:39pm

Iranian President Hassan Rouhani tweets there is progress at nuclear talks; dismisses Netanyahu criticism - @HasanRouhani
see original on twitter.com

251 WhatEVs  Mar 4, 2015 4:08:01pm

re: #196 The Mother Of All Pies

How to win friends and influence people…do run fast and far away from you.

252 aagcobb  Mar 4, 2015 4:08:17pm

re: #245 Mattand

I’m not as optimistic as you. I don’t think you’re factoring in the stupidity of the America voter.

Flashback Nov. 2000:

“Let’s see, this Democratic President oversaw one of the greatest economic booms in American history and balance the budget.

“What? He had an affair? Can’t vote for his VP who worked with side-by-side during these great times. We better bring the Republican guy whose dad was president then. He seems nice, and what could possibly go wrong?”

Don’t forget that one, Gore actually got more votes than Bush, two, the percentage of the electorate that was white was much higher then, three, Nader split the liberal vote, and four, it was actually five Supreme Court Justices who elected Bush.

253 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 4, 2015 4:08:22pm

I have triumphed over encoding bullshit and finally succeeded in getting my program to output a text file to a location I can access, so I was able to verify that the exporter works.

Next up: allowing the user to choose import/export locations.

254 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2015 4:08:31pm

re: #247 aagcobb

African-Americans know the racism the GOP denies happens, because they have to live it every day. Just look at the Ferguson Report.

Look at the response to the Ferguson Report.

255 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss  Mar 4, 2015 4:08:43pm

re: #240 HappyWarrior

They’re not trying to convince people to join them, they’re reciting their justifications for why everyone who doesn’t submit doesn’t deserve rights.

256 teleskiguy  Mar 4, 2015 4:08:51pm

Evening Lizards. I’m back from probably the best day of skiing this winter at Crested Butte, CO. Deep snow, big steep lines, good food, good friends. My little jaunt to Crazy Mountain was great success!

257 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2015 4:11:27pm

re: #196 The Mother Of All Pies

I’m reading a novel right now, Storm Clouds Rolling In 1860-1861 by Ginny Dye.
It is heart-breaking to read and, even as fiction, it rings very true in describing how all the characters think, how they were raised to think that way, how some started to think things out for themselves, and a lot about the Northern “Black Republicans” and the fighting amongst themselves Southern Democrat presidential conventions.

If nothing else, it clearly shows how both the Republican and Democratic parties have turned a complete 180 degrees since the Civil War.

258 Mattand  Mar 4, 2015 4:12:18pm

Got a live one on Facebook: Civil War had nothing to do with slavery; it was about taxation without representation.

This is about to go south really quickly (no pun intended).

259 Great White Snark  Mar 4, 2015 4:12:25pm

re: #256 teleskiguy

Pics?

260 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 4:14:29pm

re: #258 Mattand

Got a live one on Facebook: Civil War had nothing to do with slavery; it was about taxation without representation.

This is about to go south really quickly (no pun intended).

Except the Southern states had representation. I love how conservatives love to throw out that canard but yet they’re the ones opposed to D.C having anything close to statehood and greater autonomy.

261 Mattand  Mar 4, 2015 4:14:34pm

re: #252 aagcobb

Don’t forget that one, Gore actually got more votes than Bush, two, the percentage of the electorate that was white was much higher then, three, Nader split the liberal vote, and four, it was actually five Supreme Court Justices who elected Bush.

I know. I also know how people around me think. As much as I love most of them, I don’t necessary trust their judgment.

This includes people who voted for Romney openly admitting they weren’t voting for the black guy, and spouses of teachers who voted for Christie. Twice.

262 goddamnedfrank  Mar 4, 2015 4:14:56pm

Looks like CCJ left CPAC with the impression that his only path forward was to be as racist and fuckfaced as possible 24/7.

263 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 4:15:05pm

President Obama has called the US Ambassador to South Korea to wish him a speedy recovery after attack in Seoul, White House says - @Reuters
end of alert

It appears to have been a razor attack.

264 teleskiguy  Mar 4, 2015 4:16:00pm

When the conservatives of the Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act, they were in effect saying that racism doesn’t exist in the United States. It’s a thing of the past, they argue.

I’m not at all surprised by the findings in the DOJ Ferguson report.

A lot of people don’t realize that what we know as the United States today - from the first European settlement in present-day Virginia in 1607 to the present day - has been slave longer than it has been free. Centuries-long racial supremacy doesn’t just go away.

As a society, we’re making progress. Hell, the acceptance of LGTB in my lifetime is nothing short of astounding. Alas, it’s an evolution of our species, and evolution - by nature - is very very slow.

265 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2015 4:16:53pm

re: #258 Mattand

Got a live one on Facebook: Civil War had nothing to do with slavery; it was about taxation without representation.

This is about to go south really quickly (no pun intended).

Sounds like someone who has his 18th and 19th Centuries mixed up.

266 Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2015 4:17:31pm

…

267 aagcobb  Mar 4, 2015 4:17:35pm

re: #261 Mattand

I know. I also know how people around me think. As much as I love most of them, I don’t necessary trust their judgment.

This includes people who voted for Romney openly admitting they weren’t voting for the black guy, and spouses of teachers who voted for Christie. Twice.

And in 2016 the black guy won’t be on the ballot. Does anyone really think that Hillary Clinton will get a smaller percentage of the white vote than Obama did in 2012 when the economy stunk? And if the GOP doesn’t get a lot more white votes, they lose, because frankly, their minority outreach stinks.

268 Mattand  Mar 4, 2015 4:18:11pm

re: #260 HappyWarrior

Except the Southern states had representation. I love how conservatives love to throw out that canard but yet they’re the ones opposed to D.C having anything close to statehood and greater autonomy.

Yeah, this is not going to go well. I’m just going to let the guy have his rebuttal and drop it. I haven’t called the guy a racist idiot who doesn’t know shit about history, but I’m on that edge.

Plus, it’s a discussion my cousin started and this guy is a friend of his. My cousin is on the “I’m not racist; I don’t hate black people, just ni-CLANGs” side of the family. They tend to hang with like-minded people, if you get my drift.

That’s a good point about representation, though.

269 Kragar  Mar 4, 2015 4:18:17pm

re: #262 goddamnedfrank

Looks like CCJ left CPAC with the impression that his only path forward was to be as racist and fuckfaced as possible 24/7.

Mission complete!

270 goddamnedfrank  Mar 4, 2015 4:18:28pm

re: #260 HappyWarrior

Except the Southern states had representation. I love how conservatives love to throw out that canard but yet they’re the ones opposed to D.C having anything close to statehood and greater autonomy.

They didn’t just have equal representation. Southern Whites got more proportional representation than non-slave state citizens, because they got to count their slaves partially towards their total population for the purposes of determining the number of reps sent to the House.

271 teleskiguy  Mar 4, 2015 4:18:29pm

re: #259 Great White Snark

Pics?

Heh heh. I took none. It was so cold it drained the lithium ion batteries in my phone. It was snowing so hard anyways, I never really had an opportunity to snap any photos that would have been worthwhile to look at later. Besides, I was having way too much fun skiing!

:-D

272 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2015 4:18:41pm

re: #264 teleskiguy

When the conservatives of the Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act, they were in effect saying that racism doesn’t exist in the United States. It’s a thing of the past, they argue.

I’m not at all surprised by the findings in the DOJ Ferguson report.

A lot of people don’t realize that what we know as the United States today - from the first European settlement in present-day Virginia in 1607 to the present day - has been slave longer than it has been free. Centuries-long racial supremacy doesn’t just go away.

As a society, we’re making progress. Hell, the acceptance of LGTB in my lifetime is nothing short of astounding. Alas, it’s an evolution of our species, and evolution - by nature - is very very slow.

The privileged are always quick to tell the non-privileged that the privilege doesn’t really exist.

273 Kragar  Mar 4, 2015 4:19:00pm

re: #258 Mattand

Got a live one on Facebook: Civil War had nothing to do with slavery; it was about taxation without representation.

This is about to go south really quickly (no pun intended).

Is that why the South dumped all that tea at Ft Sumter?

274 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 4:19:10pm

re: #265 Blind Frog Belly White

Sounds like someone who has his 18th and 19th Centuries mixed up.

Seriously. And honestly if you want to really hit them on the states rights point, point out how Davis’s government viewed secession within the CSA. Hint, not too kindly. It was and always about a bunch of assholes who couldn’t accept that Lincoln won because they cared more about the right to own other people than be part of our country. The people who seceded from the USA to form the CSA are the textbook definition of traitors.

275 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2015 4:19:55pm

re: #260 HappyWarrior

Except the Southern states had representation. I love how conservatives love to throw out that canard but yet they’re the ones opposed to D.C having anything close to statehood and greater autonomy.

Not only were they represented, they were OVERrepresented, because of the 3/5 rule.

276 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 4:20:40pm

re: #275 Blind Frog Belly White

Not only were they represented, they were OVERrepresented, because of the 3/5 rule.

Exactamundo.

277 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2015 4:21:05pm

re: #273 Kragar

Is that why the South dumped all that tea at Ft Sumter?

“Germans Tea?”

“Forget it, he’s rolling.”

278 aagcobb  Mar 4, 2015 4:21:56pm

re: #274 HappyWarrior

Seriously. And honestly if you want to really hit them on the states rights point, point out how Davis’s government viewed secession within the CSA. Hint, not too kindly. It was and always about a bunch of assholes who couldn’t accept that Lincoln won because they cared more about the right to own other people than be part of our country. The people who seceded from the USA to form the CSA are the textbook definition of traitors.

Slaves were worth more in 1860 than everything else in the country combined. No-one gives up that much wealth without a fight. The War was always about slavery.

279 Skip Intro  Mar 4, 2015 4:22:53pm

Jeb Bush has a money problem. The problem is too much money coming from too many rich people too soon.

An unusual request has gone out to wealthy donors writing large checks to support former Florida governor Jeb Bush: Please don’t give more than $1 million right away. The requested limit, confirmed by multiple people familiar with the amount, may mark the first time that a presidential hopeful has sought to hold off supporters from contributing too much money. The move reflects concerns among Bush advisers that accepting massive sums from a handful of uber-rich supporters could fuel a perception that the former governor is in their debt. The effort is also driven by a desire to build as broad a pool of donors as possible among wealthier contributors.

I would quote SC Justice Anthony Kennedy explaining how hundreds of millions of dollars in payoffs to politicians does not imply that the donors expect anything for their money, but why bother?

washingtonpost.com

280 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2015 4:23:02pm

re: #276 HappyWarrior

Exactamundo.

But you hear the same thing today - they’re not represented, because The Cities get to elect more legislators. It’s the Gore-Bush county map all over again.

281 Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2015 4:23:15pm

re: #241 Eclectic Cyborg

With tears and rage in my eyes I stood there as the sky turned an ashen gray and the great pillars of my country burned around me…

The wind then shifted round
And in the night
Came the black and terrifying heat.
—Aniara, Canto 49, 1956

282 Great White Snark  Mar 4, 2015 4:23:16pm

My work day is about done, let me leave this behind for those of us who cater to the Overlords. Well something sure blew that formatting…?

283 Bear  Mar 4, 2015 4:23:41pm

Anyone know the shelf life of ground coffee in the old metal cans? The ones that required a can opener to remove the lid.

284 goddamnedfrank  Mar 4, 2015 4:24:03pm

re: #258 Mattand

Got a live one on Facebook: Civil War had nothing to do with slavery; it was about taxation without representation.

This is about to go south really quickly (no pun intended).

All those Southern States and their inconvenient Declarations of Causes.

285 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2015 4:24:23pm

re: #283 Bear

Anyone know the shelf life of ground coffee in the old metal cans? The ones that required a can opener to remove the lid.

It’s probably about as shitty now as when it was canned.
/////

286 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 4:24:24pm

Also when talking to some southerners, you’ll also hear the old canard about pride in “southern heritage”.

Such bullshit. It’s just code for white supremacy.

287 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 4:25:03pm

re: #278 aagcobb

Slaves were worth more in 1860 than everything else in the country combined. No-one gives up that much wealth without a fight. The War was always about slavery.

Which is hell something the confederates admitted for the longest time until it became impossible to defend slavery so guys like Jubal Early and the other Lost Causers resorted to “states rights”.

288 Mattand  Mar 4, 2015 4:25:06pm

Goddamn, you people are smart. I knew all of this Civil War stuff, but was too dim and irritated by a Not-Racist to put it all together.

Many, many thanks.

289 Kragar  Mar 4, 2015 4:25:19pm

Actual reporter bitch-slaps CCJ

290 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 4:25:37pm

re: #286 Justanotherhuman

Also when talking to some southerners, you’ll also hear the old canard about pride in “southern heritage”.

Such bullshit. It’s just code for white supremacy.

Little known fact, Jefferson Davis’s father was from Philly.

291 Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2015 4:25:47pm

re: #283 Bear

Anyone know the shelf life of ground coffee in the old metal cans? The ones that required a can opener to remove the lid.

“Best used by Nov 1948”

(Wife says 5 years.)

292 Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 4, 2015 4:26:44pm

I watched the statement from the Ferguson mayor.

Unbelievable. The guy put a smiley face band-aid on a gaping chest wound.

He pretty much blamed everything o the three officers who sent racist emails, and then announced an “explorers program” in school to get school kids to like the police that are shaking their folks down.

Oh, and he announced hiring three African American females…so it’s all good, right?

No apology.

No acknowledgment of racial bias or persistant violations of the constitution and federal law.

Not a fucking thing.

293 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 4:26:54pm

re: #283 Bear

How old? Vacuum packed?

294 Kragar  Mar 4, 2015 4:28:07pm
295 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2015 4:28:23pm

re: #258 Mattand

Got a live one on Facebook: Civil War had nothing to do with slavery; it was about taxation without representation.

This is about to go south really quickly (no pun intended).

It had everything to do with slavery because the cotton states and cotton corporations knew that the industry would fail internationally (especially with England) if slavery was abolished. It was all about obscene profits under attack.

296 Bear  Mar 4, 2015 4:29:14pm

re: #293 Justanotherhuman

Around 10 years and yes on vacuum packed.

297 EPR-radar  Mar 4, 2015 4:29:37pm

re: #270 goddamnedfrank

They didn’t just have equal representation. Southern Whites got more proportional representation than non-slave state citizens, because they got to count their slaves partially towards their total population for the purposes of determining the number of reps sent to the House.

Precisely. This was the 3/5 compromise.

(Slightly off topic, I’m always amused when I see statements made to the effect that racists back in the day only wanted blacks to count for 3/5s. That’s wrong, since the slave states wanted to count slaves at 100% for the purposes of House districts, while the free states wanted this to be 0%. 3/5 was the eventual compromise.)

298 Kragar  Mar 4, 2015 4:30:00pm
299 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 4:30:02pm

re: #294 Kragar

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The good old boy network.

300 Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2015 4:30:19pm

re: #292 Aunty Entity Dragon

I watched the statement from the Ferguson mayor.

Unbelievable. The guy put a smiley face band-aid on a gaping chest wound.

He pretty much blamed everything o the three officers who sent racist emails, and then announced an “explorers program” in school to get school kids to like the police that are shaking their folks down.

Oh, and he announced hiring three African American females…so it’s all good, right?

No apology.

No acknowledgment of racial bias or persistant violations of the constitution and federal law.

Not a fucking thing.

You didn’t really expect them to admit to it, did you? That’s the thing about government corruption, no matter how high the stack of evidence is against them, they’ll still insist that they’re innocent or it’s somebody else’s fault.

301 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 4:30:56pm

re: #297 EPR-radar

Precisely. This was the 3/5 compromise.

(Slightly off topic, I’m always amused when I see statements made to the effect that racists back in the day only wanted blacks to count for 3/5s. That’s wrong, since the slave states wanted to count slaves at 100% for the purposes of House districts, while the free states wanted this to be 0%. 3/5 was the eventual compromise.)

Right, it was a compromise made at the Constitution Convention just like how the Congress was made.

302 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 4:31:19pm

re: #294 Kragar

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Not too damn fucking surprising. Bigots usually hold varying degrees of bigotry of all kinds. Gawd knows how they treat LBGT people.

303 Kragar  Mar 4, 2015 4:31:31pm

re: #299 HappyWarrior

The good old boy network.

They’re just making their way the only way they know how.

304 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2015 4:31:33pm

re: #292 Aunty Entity Dragon

I watched the statement from the Ferguson mayor.

Unbelievable. The guy put a smiley face band-aid on a gaping chest wound.

He pretty much blamed everything o the three officers who sent racist emails, and then announced an “explorers program” in school to get school kids to like the police that are shaking their folks down.

Oh, and he announced hiring three African American females…so it’s all good, right?

No apology.

No acknowledgment of racial bias or persistant violations of the constitution and federal law.

Not a fucking thing.

Of course. The emails are the most glaring, easily understood part of the story, so if you can isolate it, and blame that on just a few people, then most of the folks who want to believe that all policemen are heroes get their justification.

305 Kragar  Mar 4, 2015 4:31:42pm
306 b.d.  Mar 4, 2015 4:33:08pm

I am assuming the the GOP will hold countless hearings, appoint special committees and hand out subpoenas like glitter over the South Korean Ambassador attack?

307 Timothy Watson  Mar 4, 2015 4:34:15pm

re: #305 Kragar

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But no fatality unfortunately.

(NOTE: OBVIOUS REFERENCE TO MORTAL KOMBAT VIDEOGAME SERIES.)

308 Kragar  Mar 4, 2015 4:34:16pm
309 goddamnedfrank  Mar 4, 2015 4:34:53pm

re: #297 EPR-radar

Precisely. This was the 3/5 compromise.

(Slightly off topic, I’m always amused when I see statements made to the effect that racists back in the day only wanted blacks to count for 3/5s. That’s wrong, since the slave states wanted to count slaves at 100% for the purposes of House districts, while the free states wanted this to be 0%. 3/5 was the eventual compromise.)

This is why the compromise was so insidious, it made slavery politically self-reinforcing. Slaves counted (partially) towards the number of reps allocated, but those reps would only be elected by white men and thus worked tirelessly towards maintaining slavery as an institution.

310 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2015 4:35:48pm

re: #297 EPR-radar

Precisely. This was the 3/5 compromise.

(Slightly off topic, I’m always amused when I see statements made to the effect that racists back in the day only wanted blacks to count for 3/5s. That’s wrong, since the slave states wanted to count slaves at 100% for the purposes of House districts, while the free states wanted this to be 0%. 3/5 was the eventual compromise.)

I gotta tell you, I think the folks who wanted to own people AND benefit electorally from owning those people are among the most disgusting examples of humanity ever to have colleges and streets named after them.

311 WhatEVs  Mar 4, 2015 4:36:05pm

re: #305 Kragar

312 aagcobb  Mar 4, 2015 4:37:06pm

re: #294 Kragar

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Let me show you how surprised I am.

313 LastYearsMan  Mar 4, 2015 4:39:57pm

More information about the attack on Ambassador Lippert in South Korea here. Apparently he was attacked by a 55-year-old man with a knife. You can watch the Korean TV news about it, too (not sure how long this live feed will be covering the story, though … but for now, it has a loot of interesting stuff).

314 Mattand  Mar 4, 2015 4:41:26pm

Facebook follow up: my cousin’s kid, who has taught American history, just spanked Mr. Civil War Denier. Hard.

I dropped some of the Civil War Truth Ordinance you all supplied as well.

Again. many thanks.

315 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2015 4:42:01pm

#257

re: #290 HappyWarrior

Little known fact, Jefferson Davis’s father was from Philly.

The novel I mentioned in #257 spends a lot of time describing how Philadelphia figures prominently in all of that timeframe.

316 Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2015 4:42:36pm

re: #306 b.d.

I am assuming the the GOP will hold countless hearings, appoint special committees and hand out subpoenas like glitter over the South Korean Ambassador attack?

Nam-sanghazzigate

317 Mattand  Mar 4, 2015 4:43:44pm

re: #290 HappyWarrior

Little known fact, Jefferson Davis’s father was from Philly.

Wow. I should have known that.

I did visit the grave of the guy who the city of Dallas was named after. He’s buried in one of the old churches in Society Hill.

318 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2015 4:44:13pm

re: #305 Kragar

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LOL!

319 Charles Johnson  Mar 4, 2015 4:44:36pm
320 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2015 4:45:28pm

oh, my:

321 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2015 4:46:03pm

re: #320 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh, my:

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Did he say second SHITTER?
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322 Mattand  Mar 4, 2015 4:46:25pm

re: #319 Charles Johnson

Fuck it, I’m out. I have to prep for tomorrow’s snow.

Goddamn, it depresses me to no end that I have to share a country with shit heels like this guy.

323 Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2015 4:47:56pm

re: #319 Charles Johnson

The more I researched the real #MichaelBrown the happier I am that #DarrenWilson shot him. I don’t think I’m alone.

No, I suppose there are whole klans of you.

324 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 4:51:38pm

re: #317 Mattand

Wow. I should have known that.

I did visit the grave of the guy who the city of Dallas was named after. He’s buried in one of the old churches in Society Hill.

Nah, it’s not really that known. But yeah Dallas’s namesake, George was Polk’s VP.

325 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 4:52:03pm

re: #320 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh, my:

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Look at me, I’m drinking again.

326 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 4:52:30pm

re: #319 Charles Johnson

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I don’t think I’m alone in saying that CCJ is a despicable asshole either.

327 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2015 4:53:38pm

re: #326 HappyWarrior

I don’t think I’m alone in saying that CCJ is a despicable asshole either.

He gives despicable assholes a bad name.

328 RealityBasedSteve  Mar 4, 2015 4:54:00pm

re: #305 Kragar

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I don’t care how oblivious you are, that’s gotta sting.

RBS

329 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 4:54:10pm

re: #327 Blind Frog Belly White

He gives despicable assholes a bad name.

Seriously the guy manages to be more pathetic than his childhood hero Rush.

330 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2015 4:55:50pm

re: #329 HappyWarrior

Seriously the guy manages to be more pathetic than his childhood hero Rush.

The pupil surpasses the master. Yeesh.

331 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 4, 2015 4:55:56pm
Mister we could use a man like Billy Sherman again!

Evening Lizards! I can’t say this surprises me, but … it surprises me. Not because of the racism, but because it was so fucking obvious. What a shame a man had to lose his life to expose these assholes.

332 WhatEVs  Mar 4, 2015 4:58:13pm

re: #320 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh, my:

It’s time to admit that there was a second shooter. #DarrenWilson #FergusonReport

I literally did a facepalm. I think that’s the first time I ever did that.

333 nearly-headless smith25  Mar 4, 2015 4:58:39pm

I was about to start reading the DOJ report and then my 8 year old son just now asked:

“Dad, how come we don’t see any dark skin people on commercials on TV?”

“Son, I don’t have an answer for you right now.”

“Well, it just doesn’t seem fair. Somebody needs to do something about it.”

Well..

I’ll just tell him his school just got called off for tomorrow for snow. Best thing I can give him now.

334 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2015 5:02:23pm

re: #333 nearly-headless smith25

I was about to start reading the DOJ report and then my 8 year old son just now asked:

“Dad, how come we don’t see any dark skin people on commercials on TV?”

“Son, I don’t have an answer for you right now.”

“Well, it just doesn’t seem fair. Somebody needs to do something about it.”

Well..

I’ll just tell him his school just got called off for tomorrow for snow. Best thing I can give him now.

Funny thing about that. A decade ago, I argued with a guy who tried to convince me that in none of Hollywood’s movies were white men ever portrayed as good, wise people.

335 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 4, 2015 5:02:37pm

re: #333 nearly-headless smith25

I was about to start reading the DOJ report and then my 8 year old son just now asked:

“Dad, how come we don’t see any dark skin people on commercials on TV?”

“Son, I don’t have an answer for you right now.”

“Well, it just doesn’t seem fair. Somebody needs to do something about it.”

Well..

I’ll just tell him his school just got called off for tomorrow for snow. Best thing I can give him now.

Out of the mouths of babes.

336 EPR-radar  Mar 4, 2015 5:03:00pm

re: #314 Mattand

Facebook follow up: my cousin’s kid, who has taught American history, just spanked Mr. Civil War Denier. Hard.

I dropped some of the Civil War Truth Ordinance you all supplied as well.

Again. many thanks.

It’s always good to push back on Civil War revisionism.

After all, the US Confederacy simply is one of the worst regimes in history.

337 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 5:03:38pm

re: #334 Blind Frog Belly White

Funny thing about that. A decade ago, I argued with a guy who tried to convince me that in none of Hollywood’s movies were white men ever portrayed as good, wise people.

You see cons complain about that alot. And it’s like are you fucking kidding me?

338 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 4, 2015 5:03:41pm

re: #334 Blind Frog Belly White

Funny thing about that. A decade ago, I argued with a guy who tried to convince me that in none of Hollywood’s movies were white men ever portrayed as good, wise people.

LOLWUT?

(I can see a case for the trope of the bumbling father, although I’m not a MRA.)

339 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2015 5:05:11pm

re: #337 HappyWarrior

You see cons complain about that alot. And it’s like are you fucking kidding me?

And blacks are apparently never portrayed as criminals.

I shit you not.

340 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 4, 2015 5:05:28pm

re: #336 EPR-radar

It’s always good to push back on Civil War revisionism.

After all, the US Confederacy simply is one of the worst regimes in history.

Well, there’s a lot of competition for that title. I wouldn’t be able to make a list given Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Caligula, etc. etc. Edit: The rape of Nanking and some of the things the Japanese perpetrated on other Asian nations, the list of human shitpile regimes is a long and sordid one.

But they were (and are) supremely entitled assholes.

341 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 5:05:47pm

re: #336 EPR-radar

It’s always good to push back on Civil War revisionism.

After all, the US Confederacy simply is one of the worst regimes in history.

It really is and it really needs to be said that it is. It was a nation formed for the explicit purpose of protecting slavery. And the immigrants who volunteered for the Union were more patriotic in their trigger fingers than the CSA generals and their multiple generations in the US. combined. Robert E. Lee gave up his right to call himself an American patriot the minute he joined the CSA’s Army. A harsh opinion sure but these guys were traitors in the truest sense of the word.

342 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 5:06:19pm

re: #339 Blind Frog Belly White

And blacks are apparently never portrayed as criminals.

I shit you not.

Yeah I’ve seen people make that argument. It’s like uh what film are you watching?

343 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2015 5:06:33pm

re: #334 Blind Frog Belly White

Funny thing about that. A decade ago, I argued with a guy who tried to convince me that in none of Hollywood’s movies were white men ever portrayed as good, wise people.

Guess he missed George Burns in Oh, God.

344 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2015 5:07:04pm

re: #343 Backwoods_Sleuth

Guess he missed George Burns in Oh, God.

I suspect he missed quite a bit.

345 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 5:07:59pm

re: #340 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Well, there’s a lot of competition for that title. I wouldn’t be able to make a list given Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Caligula, etc. etc.

But they were (and are) supremely entitled assholes.

What makes the CSA though so awful is what it was founded for. I have no love for the USSR obviously but the USSR was at least founded on egalitarian principles. The CSA OTOH………It definitely is the least deserving of romaniticization regime I’ve ever seen though. Really, I’d love to hear Neo-Confederates what was so great about those four years of Jefferson Davis’s presidency.

346 teleskiguy  Mar 4, 2015 5:08:46pm

Newsweek has collated 15 instances of police misconduct in Ferguson, as cited in the DOJ report.

I am angry and sad about all this. It’s 2015 and it appears Jim Crow has just gotten more sophisticated.

347 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 4, 2015 5:08:55pm

re: #343 Backwoods_Sleuth

Guess he missed George Burns in Oh, God.

Or Robert Powell as Jesus, or Charleton Heston as Moses, or hell, even Bruce Willis in the Die-Hard franchise. Or Robin Williams in Seize the Day. Fuck stupid people.

348 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2015 5:10:01pm

re: #336 EPR-radar

It’s always good to push back on Civil War revisionism.

After all, the US Confederacy simply is one of the worst regimes in history.

As noted above, given the competition, I’m not sure they’d crack the Top Ten. But I WILL say that the CSA is probably one of the most underrated WRT just what how awful it was.

349 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 5:10:24pm

re: #347 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Or Robert Powell as Jesus, or Charleton Heston as Moses, or hell, even Bruce Willis in the Die-Hard franchise. Or Robin Williams in Seize the Day. Fuck stupid people.

Brando as Don Corleone, Alec Guinness as ObiWan,

350 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 4, 2015 5:10:31pm

re: #345 HappyWarrior

What makes the CSA though so awful is what it was founded for. I have no love for the USSR obviously but the USSR was at least founded on egalitarian principles. The CSA OTOH………It definitely is the least deserving of romaniticization regime I’ve ever seen though. Really, I’d love to hear Neo-Confederates what was so great about those four years of Jefferson Davis’s presidency.

Oh, I wasn’t excusing their shittyness AT ALL. I was just pointing out that there’s a lot of crap in human history, so I don’t think I can call them “the worst.” That’s a shared medal.

(and it was, IIRC, the mint juleps.)

351 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2015 5:11:12pm

re: #347 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Or Robert Powell as Jesus, or Charleton Heston as Moses, or hell, even Bruce Willis in the Die-Hard franchise. Or Robin Williams in Seize the Day. Fuck stupid people.

No thanks. There are already too many OTHER stupid people fucking stupid people.
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352 EPR-radar  Mar 4, 2015 5:11:42pm

re: #340 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Well, there’s a lot of competition for that title. I wouldn’t be able to make a list given Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Caligula, etc. etc.

But they were (and are) supremely entitled assholes.

The list can be made much shorter if one looks at ideologies of the regimes, as opposed to specific rulers who were mad/evil etc.

4 of the top 5 worst ideologies are most likely (not in order):

Third reich
Communist dictatorships
US confederacy
Absolute monarchy

I don’t see a way for the US confederacy to evade its place in the top 5 of this kind of list.

353 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 5:12:34pm

re: #350 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Oh, I wasn’t excusing their shittyness AT ALL. I was just pointing out that there’s a lot of crap in human history, so I don’t think I can call them “the worst.” That’s a shared medal.

(and it was, IIRC, the mint juleps.)

To be fair, he was saying one of the worst not the worst. I just think the CSA deserves special consideration due to context. Another argument I’d add for them in terms of an American centric position is their actions resulted in the war that got the most Americans killed out of any war and I’m not sure if this is still true but I think it still stands that more Americans were killed in the Civil War than all the others combined. We lost but a fraction of the men lost in the Civil War during the Revolution even though the revolution was a much longer conflict.

354 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 4, 2015 5:13:30pm

re: #349 HappyWarrior

Brando as Don Corleone, Alec Guinness as ObiWan,

Wasn’t Captain Willard (Apocalypse Now) wise and good? Also, the lead soldier in Full Metal Jacket? Anthony Hopkins as C.S. Lewis in Shadowlands?

355 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 5:13:45pm

re: #352 EPR-radar

The list can be made much shorter if one looks at ideologies of the regimes, as opposed to specific rulers who were mad/evil etc.

4 of the top 5 worst ideologies are most likely (not in order):

Third reich
Communist dictatorships
US confederacy
Absolute monarchy

I don’t see a way for the US confederacy to evade its place in the top 5 of this kind of list.

What about right wing dictatorships ala Franco, Pinochet, and the Argentine Junta? The latter was fond of kidnapping pregnant women and stealing their children and then murdering the mothers.

356 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 5:14:41pm

re: #354 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Wasn’t Captain Willard (Apocalypse Now) wise and good? Also, the lead soldier in Full Metal Jacket? Anthony Hopkins as C.S. Lewis in Shadowlands?

Yeah those work too. Charlie Sheen’s character in Platoon I’d suggest too. There’s a lot really. There really is an obession by cons to make themselves out to be the victims in our society and it’s just sad. Kind of like how they like to claim Christians are persecuted in our society.

357 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2015 5:15:04pm

re: #350 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Jack London’s People of the Abyss showed that you didn’t have to be a slave to be considered less than human by the upper classes.
Shitty human beings have been here forever.

358 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 4, 2015 5:15:48pm

re: #353 HappyWarrior

To be fair, he was saying one of the worst not the worst. I just think the CSA deserves special consideration due to context. Another argument I’d add for them in terms of an American centric position is their actions resulted in the war that got the most Americans killed out of any war and I’m not sure if this is still true but I think it still stands that more Americans were killed in the Civil War than all the others combined. We lost but a fraction of the men lost in the Civil War during the Revolution even though the revolution was a much longer conflict.

This is a fair point, and I may have read over the “one of.” It’s still true, that the civil war is the greatest fatality total of any war. Ever.

However, I’m curious where Hirohito would be placed? Mao? (I can’t lump absolute monarchies together as one, as they were so varied).

359 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 4, 2015 5:15:49pm

re: #354 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Wasn’t Captain Willard (Apocalypse Now) wise and good? Also, the lead soldier in Full Metal Jacket? Anthony Hopkins as C.S. Lewis in Shadowlands?

Humphrey Bogart in Casablanca?

(Shadowlands was exquisite…)

360 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 4, 2015 5:16:19pm

re: #355 HappyWarrior

What about right wing dictatorships ala Franco, Pinochet, and the Argentine Junta? The latter was fond of kidnapping pregnant women and stealing their children and then murdering the mothers.

FSM, I forgot about those fucks.

361 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 4, 2015 5:17:31pm

re: #356 HappyWarrior

Yeah those work too. Charlie Sheen’s character in Platoon I’d suggest too. There’s a lot really. There really is an obession by cons to make themselves out to be the victims in our society and it’s just sad. Kind of like how they like to claim Christians are persecuted in our society.

It would be interesting to create a sub-database of IMBD of “wise, good white men,” just to use it to shut down their stupid ass arguments.

362 EPR-radar  Mar 4, 2015 5:17:32pm

re: #355 HappyWarrior

What about right wing dictatorships ala Franco, Pinochet, and the Argentine Junta? The latter was fond of kidnapping pregnant women and stealing their children and then murdering the mothers.

Good catch, although I was thinking of them as instances of absolute monarchy. In any case, I’m cheating a little bit on that list since categories and specific ideologies are on a single list.

The bottom line is that the US confederacy forced a civil war to be fought over the supposed ‘right’ to engage in race-based slavery.

363 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 5:17:32pm

re: #358 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

This is a fair point, and I may have read over the “one of.” It’s still true, that the civil war is the greatest fatality total of any war. Ever.

However, I’m curious where Hirohito would be placed? Mao? (I can’t lump absolute monarchies together as one, as they were so varied).

Mao definitely belongs up there. Great point about Hirohito, not someone who really I see on these lists but someone I think deserves consideration given Japan’s actions in Asia during WWII.

364 Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2015 5:17:47pm

re: #355 HappyWarrior

What about right wing dictatorships ala Franco, Pinochet, and the Argentine Junta? The latter was fond of kidnapping pregnant women and stealing their children and then murdering the mothers.

And the colonial expansion of Europe in general. (Among which the small but horrendous history of the Belgians often gets a prize for Doing the Worst You Can With What You’ve Got.)

365 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2015 5:18:28pm

re: #358 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

This is a fair point, and I may have read over the “one of.” It’s still true, that the civil war is the greatest fatality total of any war. Ever.

However, I’m curious where Hirohito would be placed? Mao? (I can’t lump absolute monarchies together as one, as they were so varied).

Pol Pot?

366 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2015 5:18:30pm

re: #353 HappyWarrior

To be fair, he was saying one of the worst not the worst. I just think the CSA deserves special consideration due to context. Another argument I’d add for them in terms of an American centric position is their actions resulted in the war that got the most Americans killed out of any war and I’m not sure if this is still true but I think it still stands that more Americans were killed in the Civil War than all the others combined. We lost but a fraction of the men lost in the Civil War during the Revolution even though the revolution was a much longer conflict.

The CSA going to war to preserve and expand slavery was one of the two worst reasons Americans ever went to war, the other being exterminating the Natives.

And all with the proponents loudly proclaiming God was on their side. But, you know, Islam is uniquely bad.
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367 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 5:18:31pm

re: #362 EPR-radar

Good catch, although I was thinking of them as instances of absolute monarchy. In any case, I’m cheating a little bit on that list since categories and specific ideologies are on a single list.

The bottom line is that the US confederacy forced a civil war to be fought over the supposed ‘right’ to engage in race-based slavery.

I would separate them from absolute monarchies. Far right totalitarian regimes certainly do have some intersections with that but I think they’re their own ballgame.

368 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 5:18:54pm

re: #364 Decatur Deb

And the colonial expansion of Europe in general. (Among which the small but horrendous history of the Belgians often gets a prize for Doing the Worst You Can With What You’ve Got.)

Yep that’s a good point too.

369 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 4, 2015 5:19:18pm

re: #359 William Barnett-Lewis

(Shadowlands was exquisite…)

I left the faith a long time ago, but this quote from Shadowlands was always my favorite (still is):

“Why love, if losing hurts so much? I have no answers anymore: only the life I have lived. Twice in that life I’ve been given the choice: as a boy and as a man. The boy chose safety, the man chooses suffering. The pain now is part of the happiness then. That’s the deal.” — C.S. “Jack” Lewis (Anthony Hopkins)

370 Justanotherhuman  Mar 4, 2015 5:20:47pm

Later, Lizards!

Time for more Foyle’s War. : )

371 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 5:20:48pm

re: #365 Backwoods_Sleuth

Pol Pot?

Pol Pot may be the worst ever when you look at the sheer losses in population Cambodia suffered under him. If he had did what he did in a larger nation, he would be as universally reviled as Mao, Hitler, and Stalin are. Cambodia being a smaller and lesser known country is the only thing keeping Pol Pot from universally being in the same conversation of Stalin, Mao, and Hitler.

372 EPR-radar  Mar 4, 2015 5:20:52pm

re: #363 HappyWarrior

Mao definitely belongs up there. Great point about Hirohito, not someone who really I see on these lists but someone I think deserves consideration given Japan’s actions in Asia during WWII.

Japanese emperors have often been figureheads, with real power being held by warlords supposedly serving the Emperor’s will.

I don’t know whether or not this applies in the case of Hirohito, but it is a possibility to consider. In any case, that regime was a nasty example of ultra-nationalist fascism in action.

373 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 5:21:40pm

re: #372 EPR-radar

Japanese emperors have often been figureheads, with real power being held by warlords supposedly serving the Emperor’s will.

I don’t know whether or not this applies in the case of Hirohito, but it is a possibility to consider. In any case, that regime was a nasty example of ultra-nationalist fascism in action.

True true. And I would agree with your characterization of the Japanese empire in the WWII years.

374 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 4, 2015 5:22:10pm

I wouldn’t consider juntas as absolute monarchies. There’s also Franco, who was not a monarch, but a dictator (yeah, I know, semantics). And then you get into people like Mugabe and Amin…

375 Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2015 5:23:09pm

re: #372 EPR-radar

Japanese emperors have often been figureheads, with real power being held by warlords supposedly serving the Emperor’s will.

I don’t know whether or not this applies in the case of Hirohito, but it is a possibility to consider. In any case, that regime was a nasty example of ultra-nationalist fascism in action.

We bought into it enough not to hang him with the others. (For his ‘usefulness’.)

376 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 4, 2015 5:23:43pm

re: #372 EPR-radar

Japanese emperors have often been figureheads, with real power being held by warlords supposedly serving the Emperor’s will.

I don’t know whether or not this applies in the case of Hirohito, but it is a possibility to consider. In any case, that regime was a nasty example of ultra-nationalist fascism in action.

So it’s not really an absolute monarchy? I’m thinking more along the lines of the Caesars, the British royalty at one time, the French, etc.

377 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 4, 2015 5:25:41pm

re: #375 Decatur Deb

We bought into it enough not to hang him with the others. (For his ‘usefulness’.)

We didn’t hang quite a few of the Japanese (look up Unit 731, of course, we didn’t hang a lot of the Germans either - Werner von Braun, I’m looking at you), and they didn’t have a Nurenburg (erg?) trial.

378 Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2015 5:26:59pm

re: #376 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

So it’s not really an absolute monarchy? I’m thinking more along the lines of the Caesars, the British royalty at one time, the French, etc.

If you get halfway back to the Caesars, though, the the numbers decay into fable. We don’t even have a good grasp of how many Native Americans died in the creation of the US.

379 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 5:28:02pm

Well at the Tsaraniev trial, there’s no denying that he and his brother were behind the bombings but will that stop Alex Jones and the false flag crowd. Of course not.

380 EPR-radar  Mar 4, 2015 5:28:11pm

re: #377 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

We didn’t hang quite a few of the Japanese (look up Unit 731, of course, we didn’t hang a lot of the Germans either - Werner von Braun, I’m looking at you), and they didn’t have a Nurenburg (erg?) trial.

There were Tokyo War Crimes trials. In fact, some precedents from those trials were inconvenient when the Bushies wanted to justify water boarding as acceptable practice.

381 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 4, 2015 5:29:19pm

re: #378 Decatur Deb

If you get halfway back to the Caesars, though, the the numbers decay into fable. We don’t even have a good grasp of how many Native Americans died in the creation of the US.

All fair points, and all backing up my assertion that “the worst” is not a short list throughout a lot of human history, imho.

(I find this fascinating, btw, and missed my week away - sickness - from the discussion)

382 LastYearsMan  Mar 4, 2015 5:29:51pm

One of the strange things about Japan is the that imperial family (at least since the end of the Pacific War) doesn’t seem to be nearly as taken in by the cult-of-the-emperor as the Japanese right-wing loons. Ian Buruma’s “Inventing Japan” is a great, no-bullshit primer to how the concept of the emperor evolved throughout the Meiji Restoration and afterward.

383 Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2015 5:29:55pm

re: #377 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

We didn’t hang quite a few of the Japanese (look up Unit 731, of course, we didn’t hang a lot of the Germans either - Werner von Braun, I’m looking at you), and they didn’t have a Nurenburg (erg?) trial.

We did hold trails, though perhaps not as highly-publicized. In both theatres, suicide saved some of the worst.

384 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 4, 2015 5:30:22pm

re: #380 EPR-radar

There were Tokyo War Crimes trials. In fact, some precedents from those trials were inconvenient when the Bushies wanted to justify water boarding as acceptable practice.

Interestingly enough, I wonder about Italian war crimes trials. Did they all just go back to making Ferraris?

385 blueraven  Mar 4, 2015 5:31:33pm

Dorothy Y. Grappo
@DorothyYonker
Christian, Conservative, Pro-life, Pro-Israel, TEA Partier, right-wing nut and Jesus is my best friend.

386 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 4, 2015 5:32:11pm

re: #383 Decatur Deb

We did hold trails, though perhaps not as highly-publicized. In both theatres, suicide saved some of the worst.

The fact that our scientists wanted the findings on biological weapons/human experiments did the rest. I am not blaming anyone, btw. I understand the twisted calculus, but some really awful people got off scott free for their crimes against humanity.

387 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 4, 2015 5:32:34pm

i blame humans

a planet full of neurotic hairless apes

388 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 5:33:22pm

re: #385 blueraven

[Embedded content]

Dorothy Y. Grappo
@DorothyYonker
Christian, Conservative, Pro-life, Pro-Israel, TEA Partier, right-wing nut and Jesus is my best friend.

ACA is about as socialist as Obama is which is to say it’s really not socialist at all. People like Dorothy, they think they know what socialism is but they don’t have a fucking clue.

389 RadicalModerate  Mar 4, 2015 5:33:46pm

re: #340 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Well, there’s a lot of competition for that title. I wouldn’t be able to make a list given Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Caligula, etc. etc. Edit: The rape of Nanking and some of the things the Japanese perpetrated on other Asian nations, the list of human shitpile regimes is a long and sordid one.

But they were (and are) supremely entitled assholes.

I would agree with that assessment with one major difference.

Nazi Germany, with its genocidal practices lasted about 14 years.
Pol Pot’s Cambodia: 18 years
Nanking and Imperialist Japan (Showa Era): Roughly 20 years
Joseph Stalin’s regime in the Soviet Union: 30 years

Slavery in the United States (from colonial period to end of Civil War): 214 years.
Post-Civil war subjugation of African-Americans via “black codes”, Jim Crow, and other forms of intimidation and violence: 100+ years, and in many parts of the country - still counting.
When it comes to racially-based oppression of people living within our borders, we really don’t have a hell of a lot to brag about, honestly speaking.

390 Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2015 5:33:54pm

re: #384 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Interestingly enough, I wonder about Italian war crimes trials. Did they all just go back to making Ferraris?

They don’t seem to have had the taste for atrocity, and they were on and off and on our side for about half the war. They seem to have done their worst in Africa, before 1939.

391 Belafon  Mar 4, 2015 5:34:23pm

re: #288 Mattand

I’ve jumped in way too late, but you have to have the Cornerstone Speech on hand:

“Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition.” - Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens 1861.

392 HappyWarrior  Mar 4, 2015 5:34:35pm

re: #384 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Interestingly enough, I wonder about Italian war crimes trials. Did they all just go back to making Ferraris?

There were some I’m sure but unfortunately a lot of them returned to Italian politics because we needed people as bulwarks against the communists in Italy. From what I understand, Italy came very close to going Communist after the war. France too though DeGaulle stopped that.

393 EPR-radar  Mar 4, 2015 5:35:18pm

re: #382 LastYearsMan

One of the strange things about Japan is the that imperial family (at least since the end of the Pacific War) doesn’t seem to be nearly as taken in by the cult-of-the-emperor as the Japanese right-wing loons. Ian Buruma’s “Inventing Japan” is a great, no-bullshit primer to how the concept of the emperor evolved throughout the Meiji Restoration and afterward.

Some of that flows naturally from Japanese history. The Meiji restoration that ended the Tokugawa shogunate supposedly put the emperor back in charge (the emperor was definitely a figurehead during the Tokugawa shogunate).

How much power really ended up with the Emperor vs. with the warlords that rebelled against the shogunate is not so clear, and interested parties would naturally try to change the understanding of the emperor’s position to suit their needs.

394 blueraven  Mar 4, 2015 5:36:20pm

re: #388 HappyWarrior

ACA is about as socialist as Obama is which is to say it’s really not socialist at all. People like Dorothy, they think they know what socialism is but they don’t have a fucking clue.

She also has no clue what @SCOTUSblog is.
She thinks she is talking to SCOTUS.

395 WhatEVs  Mar 4, 2015 5:37:05pm

re: #385 blueraven

396 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2015 5:37:28pm

re: #385 blueraven

[Embedded content]

Dorothy Y. Grappo
@DorothyYonker
Christian, Conservative, Pro-life, Pro-Israel, TEA Partier, right-wing nut and Jesus is my best friend.

And someone who is confused in thinking that SCOTUSBlog is actually SCOTUS.

397 WhatEVs  Mar 4, 2015 5:38:03pm

re: #394 blueraven

She also has no clue what @SCOTUSblog is.
She thinks she is talking to SCOTUS.

Hysterical, that.

398 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2015 5:38:11pm

re: #389 RadicalModerate

I would agree with that assessment with one major difference.

Nazi Germany, with its genocidal practices lasted about 14 years.
Pol Pot’s Cambodia: 18 years
Nanking and Imperialist Japan (Showa Era): Roughly 20 years
Joseph Stalin’s regime in the Soviet Union: 30 years

Slavery in the United States (from colonial period to end of Civil War): 214 years.
Post-Civil war subjugation of African-Americans via “black codes”, Jim Crow, and other forms of intimidation and violence: 100+ years, and in many parts of the country - still counting.
When it comes to racially-based oppression of people living within our borders, we really don’t have a hell of a lot to brag about, honestly speaking.

I also find it funny when slavery apologists say, “But what about all the OTHER historical countries that had slaves”, ignoring that in most cases your children might become citizens, or at least not slaves, and that in our case, the children of a white master and a black slave was automatically a slave.

I think of that when I hear Wingnuts say “Obama’s not black! He’s half white!!”

399 EPR-radar  Mar 4, 2015 5:38:45pm

re: #388 HappyWarrior

ACA is about as socialist as Obama is which is to say it’s really not socialist at all. People like Dorothy, they think they know what socialism is but they don’t have a fucking clue.

Not so incidentally, the ‘socialist’ ideas behind the ACA (e.g., individual mandate) were put forth by the Heritage Foundation. Perhaps this genius will call the Heritage Foundation a bunch of commies?

400 teleskiguy  Mar 4, 2015 5:39:51pm

“I say we take off, and nuke the site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.”

401 Targetpractice  Mar 4, 2015 5:40:50pm

re: #399 EPR-radar

Not so incidentally, the ‘socialist’ ideas behind the ACA (e.g., individual mandate) were put forth by the Heritage Foundation. Perhaps this genius will call the Heritage Foundation a bunch of commies?

Also helps to keep in mind that there’s virtually no way for you to guarantee universal participation without some form of mandate. The GOP’s butting up against that reality constantly when trying to come up with an ACA alternative that covers the same amount of people.

402 Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2015 5:41:09pm

re: #392 HappyWarrior

There were some I’m sure but unfortunately a lot of them returned to Italian politics because we needed people as bulwarks against the communists in Italy. From what I understand, Italy came very close to going Communist after the war. France too though DeGaulle stopped that.

We have a massive ammunition transhipment/storage facility south of Pisa. Every round in it was moved there by a communist cooperativa cantiere that has held the dock contract since we built it. (If not since the Medicis.) Italy is funny.

403 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2015 5:41:40pm

re: #388 HappyWarrior

ACA is about as socialist as Obama is which is to say it’s really not socialist at all. People like Dorothy, they think they know what socialism is but they don’t have a fucking clue.

“Socialism” is whatever Democrats, especially Obama, favor. So, even though the same plan in the hands of the Heritage Foundation was ‘a market-based approach that relied on competition among private insurers’, once adopted by Obama it automatically became Socialism.

404 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 4, 2015 5:42:09pm

re: #398 Blind Frog Belly White

I also find it funny when slavery apologists say, “But what about all the OTHER historical countries that had slaves”, ignoring that in most cases your children might become citizens, or at least not slaves, and that in our case, the children of a white master and a black slave was automatically a slave.

I think of that when I hear Wingnuts say “Obama’s not black! He’s half white!!”

I never make the argument “other countries that had slaves.” I was merely saying it’s difficult to “rank” atrocities. Is it worse for a slave to be held captive, his/her wife/husband/children sold to another “owner” or for people to be hauled off to extermination camps because they aren’t the “pure race” or because they need “re-education” or Hutus and Tutsi’s even.

It’s a calculus that I don’t think we want to go through. It’s all awful, and should be condemned.

405 #FergusonFireside  Mar 4, 2015 5:44:15pm

Ya know, I’m going to need a couple of days to digest the DOJ report. We all knew it was happening, but to see it so clear in black & white.

I am so ashamed that this country is letting this shit happen.

406 Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2015 5:44:40pm

re: #387 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i blame humans

a planet full of neurotic hairless apes

Half-apes, but our top hats give us dignity and our beads make us holy.

407 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 4, 2015 5:46:40pm

re: #405 #FergusonFireside

Ya know, I’m going to need a couple of days to digest the DOJ report. We all knew it was happening, but to see it so clear in black & white.

I am so ashamed that this country is letting this shit happen.

Believe me, I had to take a break from news yesterday after seeing some of the non-racial shit that was happening (Alabama saying a massive FU to the federal courts, people killing kids, Colorado wanting gun-carry on campus, Ohio chipping away at abortion rights, just all kinds of shit). I don’t think cats and puppies can overcome this, unfortunately. :(

408 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2015 5:47:47pm

re: #404 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I never make the argument “other countries that had slaves.” I was merely saying it’s difficult to “rank” atrocities. Is it worse for a slave to be held captive, his/her wife/husband/children sold to another “owner” or for people to be hauled off to extermination camps because they aren’t the “pure race” or because they need “re-education” or Hutus and Tutsi’s even.

It’s a calculus that I don’t think we want to go through. It’s all awful, and should be condemned.

This is why I’m always amazed when I hear that argument, because it usually comes from people who also tout American Exceptionalism. How can we possibly be exceptional if we hold ourselves to such a low standard as “There are other countries that did worse than we did!”

409 Jenner7  Mar 4, 2015 5:48:35pm

re: #405 #FergusonFireside

Some days I regret turning the TV and computer on….

;)

410 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 4, 2015 5:50:15pm

re: #408 Blind Frog Belly White

This is why I’m always amazed when I hear that argument, because it usually comes from people who also tout American Exceptionalism. How can we possibly be exceptional if we hold ourselves to such a low standard as “There are other countries that did worse than we did!”

Don’t even get me started on American exceptionalism ;)

411 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 4, 2015 5:51:03pm

re: #410 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Don’t even get me started on American exceptionalism ;)

I’m trying hard not to get MYSELF started on it!
//

412 EPR-radar  Mar 4, 2015 5:51:51pm

re: #410 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Don’t even get me started on American exceptionalism ;)

One aspect of American exceptionalism is that the US has by far the worst major political party in the developed world.

413 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 4, 2015 5:51:54pm

re: #403 Blind Frog Belly White

“Socialism” is whatever Democrats, especially Obama, favor. So, even though the same plan in the hands of the Heritage Foundation was ‘a market-based approach that relied on competition among private insurers’, once adopted by Obama it automatically became Socialism.

a short guide to the definition of “socialism”

1) Dictionary Definition: a form of economic organization where all major industries are owned and operated by the government.

2) Popular Media Definition: any time the government operates any enterprise, such as the military, health insurance, or public highways. Medicare is said to be “socialized” health insurance. virtually all modern governments have “socialized” some major public activities.

3) Wingnut Definition: “redistribution of income”. can be applied to any government that has ever existed in recorded history

when wingnuts lump obama together with stalin “because socialism”, just remind them that the soviet government did not come to power with the aim of subsidizing the purchase of expensive health insurance from private companies

414 Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2015 5:52:41pm

re: #407 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Believe me, I had to take a break from news yesterday after seeing some of the non-racial shit that was happening (Alabama saying a massive FU to the federal courts, people killing kids, Colorado wanting gun-carry on campus, Ohio chipping away at abortion rights, just all kinds of shit). I don’t think cats and puppies can overcome this, unfortunately. :(

re: #405 #FergusonFireside

Ya know, I’m going to need a couple of days to digest the DOJ report. We all knew it was happening, but to see it so clear in black & white.

I am so ashamed that this country is letting this shit happen.

re: #409 Jenner7

Some days I regret turning the TV and computer on….

;)

What? did you come in here for Despair?

I’m sorry, this is “Dogged Determination”. You want Room 12-A just along the corridor.

415 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 4, 2015 5:55:21pm

re: #411 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m trying hard not to get MYSELF started on it!
//

You should really try to read the book “The Wordy Shipmates” by Sarah Vowell, which sums up a lot of the American “City on a Hill” stuff in a funny manner.

amazon.com

Not sure if that Amazon Link will take you to the LGF page, but highly recommended.

416 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 4, 2015 5:56:36pm

re: #414 Decatur Deb

What? did you come in here for Despair?

I’m sorry, this is “Dogged Determination”. You want Room 12-A just along the corridor.

I vacillate between dogged determination and despair. It’s what we liberals do ;)

417 Decatur Deb  Mar 4, 2015 5:59:24pm

re: #416 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I vacillate between dogged determination and despair. It’s what we liberals do ;)

Make a reservation at your near-by Tom Joad Re-education Fresh Air Camp.

418 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 4, 2015 6:02:59pm

re: #417 Decatur Deb

Make a reservation at your near-by Tom Joad Re-education Fresh Air Camp.

You can take my Pete Seeger when you pry him from my cold, dead, banjo-playing hands :D

419 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 4, 2015 6:03:03pm

re: #416 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I vacillate between dogged determination and despair. It’s what we liberals do ;)

i just vacillate between dogs

420 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 4, 2015 6:11:19pm

re: #415 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

You should really try to read the book “The Wordy Shipmates” by Sarah Vowell, which sums up a lot of the American “City on a Hill” stuff in a funny manner.

amazon.com

Not sure if that Amazon Link will take you to the LGF page, but highly recommended.

The Wordy Shipmates is most excellent!


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