Reports: Harris Thought Adopted Daughters Were Possessed by Demons

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More information has come out about the case of Justin Harris, the AR lawmaker accused of giving his adopted daughters to a pedophile who later raped one of them.

Multiple sources close to the family are reporting that the Harris family thought the little girls were possessed by demons, keeping them isolated in rooms monitored only by video camera and performing exorcisms.

Nearly a dozen people interviewed by the Times tell a different story of Justin and Marsha Harris’ dealings with DHS and their relationship with the three young girls. Among them: two foster families who cared for the girls prior to the Harris adoption, the girls’ biological mother, a former DHS employee familiar with the proceedings and a former babysitter at the Harrises’ West Fork home.

Cheryl and Craig Hart, an experienced foster couple who housed Mary and Annie for a year and a half before their adoption by the Harrises, said they tried to talk the Harrises out of adopting the sisters. The Harts said that a local team working on the adoption — including themselves, DHS caseworkers, adoption specialists, CASA (Court Appointed Special Advocates) and therapists from Ozark Guidance, a mental health provider — made the Harrises fully aware of the girls’ history of neglect and sexual abuse and cautioned them that they were unprepared to handle children from such a background, especially considering their home included young boys. The former DHS employee confirmed this account.

The Harts also said the adoption was allowed to proceed despite their objections because of the direct intervention of Cecile Blucker, head of the Division of Children and Family Services, the arm of DHS responsible for child welfare. They say Blucker exerted pressure on the Washington County DHS office on behalf of Justin Harris to facilitate the adoption. The former DHS employee confirmed this information as well.

Chelsey Goldsborough, who regularly babysat for the Harrises, said Mary was kept isolated from Annie and from the rest of the family. She was often confined for hours to her room, where she was monitored by a video camera. The reason: The Harrises believed the girls were possessed by demons and could communicate telepathically, Goldsborough said. Harris and his wife once hired specialists to perform an “exorcism” on the two sisters while she waited outside the house with the boys, she said.

Multiple sources who interacted with the family confirmed Goldsborough’s account that the Harrises believed the children were possessed, and another source close to the family said that Marsha Harris spoke openly about the supposed demonic possession.

More: Casting Out Demons: Why Justin Harris Got Rid of Kids He Applied Pressure to Adopt

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631 comments
1 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 12:18:16pm

Believing in demons as I said should be more cause for disqualifying adoption rights than being gay. Unfuckingbelievable.

2 Justanotherhuman  Mar 11, 2015 12:19:12pm

The Harrises shouldn’t even have custody of their own biological children, much less someone else’s, and abused children, at that.

They really do sound crazeeeee.

3 allegro  Mar 11, 2015 12:19:27pm

I’ve been watching “Supernatural” on Netflix lately. It apparently needs to be pointed out that it is, yanno, fiction.

4 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 11, 2015 12:19:32pm

Sickening. Such cruelty.

5 Kragar  Mar 11, 2015 12:20:06pm

“Do you want to adopt a child?”

“Yes.”

“Do you believe in Demonic Possession?”

“Yes.”

“Ok, we’re done here. Never come back.”

6 team_fukit  Mar 11, 2015 12:21:22pm

I smelled that spiritual warfare crap as soon as Harris (mis)quoted that “no weapon formed against us shall prosper” from Isaiah in his statement a few days ago. I’m not surprised

7 Mattand  Mar 11, 2015 12:21:50pm

The most powerful nation on the planet is the one that has lawmakers who think demonic possession is actually real, which then leads to child abuse.

If I weren’t American, I’d be scared shitless of this country.

8 aagcobb  Mar 11, 2015 12:21:57pm

I hope we hear about indictments coming down soon. As an adoptive parent, this story sickens and horrifies me.

9 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 11, 2015 12:22:17pm

Why are these people not in prison for child abuse?

10 Mattand  Mar 11, 2015 12:22:24pm

re: #5 Kragar

“Do you want to adopt a child?”

“Yes.”

“Do you believe in Demonic Possession?”

“Yes.”

“Ok, we’re done here. Never come back.”

#perfectworld

11 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 12:23:01pm

re: #5 Kragar

“Do you want to adopt a child?”

“Yes.”

“Do you believe in Demonic Possession?”

“Yes.”

“Ok, we’re done here. Never come back.”

Yep stamp it and book it.

12 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 12:23:14pm

re: #10 Mattand

#perfectworld

Yeah sigh.

13 Kragar  Mar 11, 2015 12:23:23pm

More excerpts

According to Goldsborough, the two girls were kept in separate rooms that were outfitted with locks, alarms and video cameras. They were not allowed to be around each other because of the Harrises’ belief in demonic possession and telepathy, she said.
…
Goldsborough said the Harrises showed her “a picture of [Mary] where they’re like, ‘You can see the demon rising from her back,’ and it just looked like a little 6-year-old to me.” [Mary was 4 or 5.] The separate source close to the Harrises reported seeing a video that Marsha Harris said showed a demon interacting with one of the girls. The source said demons were an “obsession” with Marsha Harris.

“They consider it to be spiritual warfare,” the other source said. “I’m a Christian, and I have these beliefs, but this was completely beyond anything I’ve ever seen or heard about.”

Goldsborough said the reason the family removed Mary’s toys was “because a demon told [Mary] not to share. … Demons told her to not appreciate [her toys] and all that, so they took away all the toys and her colored clothes.”

The Harrises are the monsters in this story.

14 Thanos  Mar 11, 2015 12:23:28pm

re: #7 Mattand

…

15 stpaulbear  Mar 11, 2015 12:23:52pm

that arktimes story is so well written and so completely heartbreaking. It seemed like those kids were in really good foster situations before Harris pulled rank with the DHS to steal them. What an evil mofo.

16 Dr Lizardo  Mar 11, 2015 12:23:57pm

You know, The Exorcist was a great film; taut direction, great screenplay, brilliant acting on the part of all concerned. I’d honestly rank it as one of my all-time favorite films.

It’s not a documentary, however.

(I am aware that Blatty based the book on a case of possession and exorcism. Also, I really do wonder how Blatty came to chose Pazuzu as the demon? I mean…..how many people outside of academia who specialize in ancient Mesopotamian folklore had ever even heard of Pazuzu?)

17 team_fukit  Mar 11, 2015 12:24:00pm

I just think that particular style of Christianity condones child abuse.

A girl I dated briefly my freshman year of high school ended up getting sent away to Escuela Caribe in the Dominican Republic, where apparently they used to beat kids and watch them in the shower

18 WhatEVs  Mar 11, 2015 12:24:02pm

re: #9 The Mother Of All Pies

Why are these people not in prison for child abuse?

Because they are connected. White and connected. Have money. And are connected. The guys is an elected official who pulled strings.

Who is going to prosecute them? Theys just good ol’ down home folks. As are the jury of their peers.

19 Nyet  Mar 11, 2015 12:24:36pm

re: #5 Kragar

“Do you want to adopt a child?”

“Yes.”

“Do you believe in Demonic Possession?”

“Yes.”

“Ok, we’re done here. Never come back.”

As well as homeopathy, young Earth creationism and birtherism.

20 No Country For Old Haters  Mar 11, 2015 12:24:55pm

re: #2 Justanotherhuman

The Harrises shouldn’t even have custody of their own biological children, much less someone else’s, and abused children, at that.

They really do sound crazeeeee.

You Liberal tyrants want to take people’s children away simply for having different beliefs than you do

I’ve known conservatives who can not tell the difference between a point of view and dangerous mental illness. Any insanity is simply seen as having different beliefs.

21 darthstar  Mar 11, 2015 12:26:28pm

So, you think the kids are posessed by demons so you give them to some guy so he can fuck them? Both of these guys deserve to be in jail.

22 No Country For Old Haters  Mar 11, 2015 12:26:41pm

re: #16 Dr Lizardo

You know, The Exorcist was a great film; taut direction, great screenplay, brilliant acting on the part of all concerned. I’d honestly rank it as one of my all-time favorite films.

The music is really chilling, and what sticks with me today, having not seen the film in decades.

23 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 12:26:50pm

re: #17 team_fukit

I just think that particular style of Christianity condones child abuse.

A girl I dated briefly my freshman year of high school ended up getting sent away to Escuela Caribe, where apparently they used to beat kids and watch them in the shower

When your religious beliefs get in the way of others ability to live life free of fear from abuse then they should disqualify you from being able to adopt. I feel for this little girl. She deserved much better than assholes like the Harrises who saw demons instead of a little girl.

24 Teukka  Mar 11, 2015 12:26:58pm

re: #20 No Country For Old Haters

You Liberal tyrants want to take people’s children away simply for having different beliefs than you do

I’ve known conservatives who can not tell the difference between a point of view and dangerous mental illness. Any insanity is simply seen as having different beliefs.

Yeah. Stalin did the world a great disservice by using “mental illness” as a way of locking up dissidents.

The result is that a delusion with religious or political veneer has to be really bad before people react.

*SMH*

25 ObserverArt  Mar 11, 2015 12:27:47pm

re: #7 Mattand

The most powerful nation on the planet is the one that has lawmakers who think demonic possession is actually real, which then leads to child abuse.

If I weren’t American, I’d be scared shitless of this country.

I am an American, and I AM scared shit less of and for this country. The way we are going we will not be the most powerful nation on the planet.

26 No Country For Old Haters  Mar 11, 2015 12:27:58pm

re: #21 darthstar

So, you think the kids are posessed by demons so you give them to some guy so he can fuck them? Both of these guys deserve to be in jail.

What do you suggest we do with demons?

/sorry, I generally react to mind-bendingly horrible situations by joking.

27 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 12:28:01pm

re: #22 No Country For Old Haters

The music is really chilling, and what sticks with me today, having not seen the film in decades.

Yeah very eerie. i’ve actually seen the famous steps a few times in Georgetown.

28 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 12:28:24pm

How do I react to Demons? Simple, I didn’t apply to Wake Forest.

29 ramex  Mar 11, 2015 12:28:33pm

re: #22 No Country For Old Haters

Mike Oldfield’s Tubular Bells? I was listening to it in my car today. Great stuff.

30 stpaulbear  Mar 11, 2015 12:28:40pm

re: #18 WhatEVs

Because they are connected. White and connected. Have money. And are connected. The guys is an elected official who pulled strings.

Who is going to prosecute them? Theys just good ol’ down home folks. As are the jury of their peers.

I’m interested in knowing what parents who have kids in Harris’s school are going to do. Are they going to be horrified and pull their kids out, or are they the kind of parents who think this is how a kid should be raised anyway? I wonder if anyone will try to pull his funding. The asshole takes in $900K/year in government funding to run his ‘business’.

31 WhatEVs  Mar 11, 2015 12:28:43pm

re: #25 ObserverArt

I am an American, and I AM scared shit less of and for this country. The way we are going we will not be the most powerful nation on the planet.

QFT. Too fuckin’ true.

32 Kragar  Mar 11, 2015 12:29:08pm

More:

a source familiar with the workings of state-level DHS informed the Times that Blucker supposedly remarked in 2012 that “Harris threatened to hold up the budget for the division if he didn’t get to adopt those girls.”

Justin Harris suggested he used his influence to obtain the three girls during the adoption hearing, according to Cheryl Hart.

“At the hearing, the ad litem attorney — you know, the one who is representing only the interests of the children — said, ‘When we met less than a couple of days ago, everyone’s recommendation was for these kids to not go to this home. Now, what has happened in the last 24 hours that everyone’s recommendation has changed?’

“Harris’ face was getting all red,” Cheryl Hart added. “And the ad litem asked him, ‘Did you make calls?’ And he finally said, ‘I did what I had to do to get these girls.’ I expected the judge would [stop the adoption] but she gave them the oldest girl.” The younger two sisters soon followed.

33 Decatur Deb  Mar 11, 2015 12:29:10pm

re: #24 Teukka

Yeah. Stalin did the world a great disservice by using “mental illness” as a way of locking up dissidents.

The result is that a delusion with religious or political veneer has to be really bad before people react.

*SMH*

We seem crazy (substitute: evil) to them. There are more of them than there are of us. Easy with the legislation, there.

34 Nyet  Mar 11, 2015 12:29:11pm

re: #24 Teukka

Yeah. Stalin did the world a great disservice by using “mental illness” as a way of locking up dissidents.

The result is that a delusion with religious or political veneer has to be really bad before people react.

*SMH*

Stalin sent them to GULAG, when he didn’t shoot them. The punitive psychiatry was Brezhnev’s thing.

35 No Country For Old Haters  Mar 11, 2015 12:30:04pm

re: #25 ObserverArt

I am an American, and I AM scared shit less of and for this country. The way we are going we will not be the most powerful nation on the planet.

That’s probably for the best, considering how irresponsible and abusive the U.S. has been with our power. Being just another western nation could do us some good.

36 Targetpractice  Mar 11, 2015 12:30:25pm

re: #5 Kragar

“Do you want to adopt a child?”

“Yes.”

“Do you believe in Demonic Possession?”

“Yes.”

“Ok, we’re done here. Never come back.”

“But I control the budget for your entire department.”

“Oh, in that case, we’ve changed our minds, here’s the kids.”

37 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 12:30:32pm

re: #30 stpaulbear

I’m interested in knowing what parents who have kids in Harris’s school are going to do. Are they going to be horrified and pull their kids out, or are they the kind of parents who think this is how a kid should be raised anyway? I wonder if anyone will try to pull his funding. The asshole takes in $900K/year in government funding to run his ‘business’.

Sadly, I think the latter is a good possibility. Harris is a pastor of some sort right or something like that right? If they put their kids in his school, I wager they already know Harris and his wife through church and share his beliefs about demons possessing kids. This really is a byproduct of the RR’s poisoning people’s minds about secular upbringings.

38 Dr. Matt  Mar 11, 2015 12:31:14pm

I think this is just another bullshit story. My first thought when this story broke is that they are protecting their biological sons. I think the biological sons are involved somehow, i.e., abusing the girls in someway. My 2 cents.

39 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 12:31:16pm

re: #32 Kragar

More:

Fucking asshole.

40 Mattand  Mar 11, 2015 12:31:21pm

re: #16 Dr Lizardo

You know, The Exorcist was a great film; taut direction, great screenplay, brilliant acting on the part of all concerned. I’d honestly rank it as one of my all-time favorite films.

It’s not a documentary, however.

(I am aware that Blatty based the book on a case of possession and exorcism. Also, I really do wonder how Blatty came to chose Pazuzu as the demon? I mean…..how many people outside of academia who specialize in ancient Mesopotamian folklore had ever even heard of Pazuzu?)

Blatty’s real-life example turned out to be fake, once people started looking at it.

It’s a long read, but worth taking a look. The guy who wrote that article ran a paranormal magazine that covered everything from UFOs to Nessie, but he pretty much exposed the supposed possessed child to be a kid looking for attention.

41 WhatEVs  Mar 11, 2015 12:31:51pm

re: #30 stpaulbear

I’m interested in knowing what parents who have kids in Harris’s school are going to do. Are they going to be horrified and pull their kids out, or are they the kind of parents who think this is how a kid should be raised anyway? I wonder if anyone will try to pull his funding. The asshole takes in $900K/year in government funding to run his ‘business’.

Probably both. There are a good number of people who believe that demonic bullshit. There are others, as quoted in that article, who are good Christians (real ones, who, you know, read the bible and understand Jesus Christ wasn’t some libertarian guy who hated the poor and loved the rich), who will be appalled.

That said, there may be some government intervention as to his nifty almost a mill a year, because when something gets too hot, politicos walk away and wash their hands. And they do it pretty quickly.

42 allegro  Mar 11, 2015 12:32:11pm

I’m also imagining the lessons their biological sons have learned from what they have witnessed and been taught in that household. Yikes.

43 Dr Lizardo  Mar 11, 2015 12:33:13pm

re: #40 Mattand

I’m not surprised.

I can’t think of a case of authentic possession that can’t be explained as mental disturbance, attention-seeking, or something along those lines, and successful exorcisms are psychosomatic cures; a placebo effect.

44 wrenchwench  Mar 11, 2015 12:33:51pm

re: #19 Nyet

As well as homeopathy, young Earth creationism and birtherism.

I have a sister in law who believes in homeopathy. Both her daughters have teased her about it. She is the best mother I know of. One daughter is studying to become a doctor. I consider the mother’s belief in homeopathy to be a freakish part of her personality.

45 Nyet  Mar 11, 2015 12:34:56pm

re: #1 HappyWarrior

Believing in demons as I said should be more cause for disqualifying adoption rights than being gay. Unfuckingbelievable.

That would disqualify the majority of Americans, esp. those that simply believe in the biblical stories about Jesus.

See Q13 in

46 rhuarc  Mar 11, 2015 12:34:58pm

re: #44 wrenchwench

Speaking of homeopathy.

theguardian.com

47 Nyet  Mar 11, 2015 12:35:59pm

re: #44 wrenchwench

I have a sister in law who believes in homeopathy. Both her daughters have teased her about it. She is the best mother I know of. One daughter is studying to become a doctor. I consider the mother’s belief in homeopathy to be a freakish part of her personality.

I’m pretty sure one can believe in demonic possession and be a superb parent.

48 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 12:36:06pm

re: #45 Nyet

That would disqualify the majority of Americans, esp. those that simply believe in the biblical stories about Jesus.

See Q13 in
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Yeah I guess that could be a problem. We really need better education in this country though.

49 WhatEVs  Mar 11, 2015 12:36:07pm

re: #44 wrenchwench

I have a sister in law who believes in homeopathy. Both her daughters have teased her about it. She is the best mother I know of. One daughter is studying to become a doctor. I consider the mother’s belief in homeopathy to be a freakish part of her personality.

I am all for homeopathy. Until it doesn’t work. Then you take appropriate actions. When you rely solely on homeopathy, people can die.

50 calochortus  Mar 11, 2015 12:36:30pm

I keep wondering why they were so determined to adopt these particular girls.

51 Camp Waconda  Mar 11, 2015 12:36:40pm

re: #13 Kragar

The Harrises are the monsters in this story.

Agreed.

52 Teukka  Mar 11, 2015 12:37:05pm

re: #34 Nyet

Stalin sent them to GULAG, when he didn’t shoot them. The punitive psychiatry was Brezhnev’s thing.

I stand corrected. Nevertheless, it did the world a great disservice.

53 wrenchwench  Mar 11, 2015 12:37:49pm

re: #46 rhuarc

Speaking of homeopathy.

theguardian.com

Yup.

[…]

“There will be a tail of people who won’t respond to this report, and who will say it’s all a conspiracy of the establishment,” Glasziou said.

“But we hope there will be a lot of reasonable people out there who will reconsider selling, using or subsiding these substances.”

[…]

54 allegro  Mar 11, 2015 12:38:23pm

re: #50 calochortus

I keep wondering why they were so determined to adopt these particular girls.

Been wondering that as well, especially since one was given to a known pedophile to rape.

55 lawhawk  Mar 11, 2015 12:39:19pm

re: #32 Kragar

So, this guy should be up on multiple charges for obstructing governmental functions, abuse of office, in addition to everything else that comes to mind.

This guy should be perpwalked yesterday.

Based on the facts as they are continuing to develop, prosecutors should have a laundry list of charges.

If he knew or had reason to know that the guy he gave these girls to was going to sexually abuse/molest him, then he’d face charges for that as well.

Lock him up and throw away the key.

56 rhuarc  Mar 11, 2015 12:39:32pm

re: #53 wrenchwench

And if you read some of the comments that exactly what they do. Funny how that could be predicted. :)

57 Nyet  Mar 11, 2015 12:39:41pm

re: #45 Nyet

49% of Dems believe in the possibility of demonic possession (8% are not sure)

So do 63% of people aged 18 to 29 (those aged older than 65 are wiser - only 44%).

58 team_fukit  Mar 11, 2015 12:40:13pm

re: #30 stpaulbear

That was the other red flag I noticed… that he ran a Christian school. With vouchers and school choice (and little oversight), it’s gotta be one of the more lucrative grifts around

59 Teukka  Mar 11, 2015 12:41:19pm

re: #54 allegro

Been wondering that as well, especially since one was given to a known pedophile to rape.

I’ve noted that in some right-wing religious groups, there seems to be this notion that sexually abused people are docile, not as in easily sexually abused again, but as in easy to control otherwise.

Reality is an entirely different thing.

60 stpaulbear  Mar 11, 2015 12:41:24pm

re: #50 calochortus

I keep wondering why they were so determined to adopt these particular girls.

They started out trying to arrange the adoption without DHS involvment - just using Harris’s lawyers. At some point, the DHS was brought in and then Harris started threatening them to get his way when they saw this was going to be a disaster.

61 Targetpractice  Mar 11, 2015 12:42:23pm

re: #55 lawhawk

So, this guy should be up on multiple charges for obstructing governmental functions, abuse of office, in addition to everything else that comes to mind.

This guy should be perpwalked yesterday.

Based on the facts as they are continuing to develop, prosecutors should have a laundry list of charges.

If he knew or had reason to know that the guy he gave these girls to was going to sexually abuse/molest him, then he’d face charges for that as well.

Lock him up and throw away the key.

But he has the best protection possible: He’s a Republican legislator in a Republican-run state. The odds that he’ll face prosecution, let alone actual consequences, of this incident are minute. The guy’s in “live boy/dead girl” territory in terms of how easy it would be to prosecute him.

62 team_fukit  Mar 11, 2015 12:43:11pm

I actually wouldn’t be surprised, with the video taping and access to marginalized children and all, if this dude was running a child porn/abuse ring.

63 lawhawk  Mar 11, 2015 12:44:22pm
64 Nyet  Mar 11, 2015 12:44:30pm

re: #48 HappyWarrior

Yeah I guess that could be a problem. We really need better education in this country though.

Agreed. Less demons, gods, etc.

65 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 11, 2015 12:44:51pm

re: #61 Targetpractice

Merica

66 Teukka  Mar 11, 2015 12:45:05pm

re: #62 team_fukit

I actually wouldn’t be surprised, with the video taping and access to marginalized children and all, if this dude was running a child porn/abuse ring.

Not necessarily that evil. See my comment above.

67 Great White Snark  Mar 11, 2015 12:46:00pm

Sorry OT but an important update to a Page from yesterday. HT CL. Ethnic profiling will not help us in the GWOT.

68 stpaulbear  Mar 11, 2015 12:46:16pm

re: #61 Targetpractice

But he has the best protection possible: He’s a Republican legislator in a Republican-run state. The odds that he’ll face prosecution, let alone actual consequences, of this incident are minute. The guy’s in “live boy/dead girl” territory in terms of how easy it would be to prosecute him.

I’m not sure he can survive ‘raped girl’ though. I sure hope not. Giving his daughter to a rapist isn’t something he can walk back.

69 No Country For Old Haters  Mar 11, 2015 12:47:37pm

re: #68 stpaulbear

I’m not sure he can survive ‘raped girl’ though. I sure hope not. Giving his daughter to a rapist isn’t something he can walk back.

Yeah, I’m pretty sure that most Conservatives are as against child rape as a normal person is.

70 Teukka  Mar 11, 2015 12:47:40pm

re: #68 stpaulbear

I’m not sure he can survive ‘raped girl’ though. I sure hope not. Giving his daughter to a rapist isn’t something he can walk back.

He could try to spin it in the direction that it was some lecherous demon possessing the girl and get away with that in his target group.

Sickening.

71 Mattand  Mar 11, 2015 12:48:29pm

re: #49 WhatEVs

I am all for homeopathy. Until it doesn’t work. Then you take appropriate actions. When you rely solely on homeopathy, people can die.

The one problem with that is that homeopathy never works. The only thing it’s good for is wasting time before the patient seeks actual help.

72 Nyet  Mar 11, 2015 12:48:43pm

re: #67 Great White Snark

The men told police they had time to kill

Imagine a Pamela Geller headline there…///

73 Nyet  Mar 11, 2015 12:50:30pm

re: #71 Mattand

It sorta kinda works as far as a placebo works (i.e. not much). Which brings up the ethical question: should the patient be lied to so that the limited placebo effect takes place?

74 No Country For Old Haters  Mar 11, 2015 12:50:30pm

re: #71 Mattand

The one problem with that is that homeopathy never works. The only thing it’s good for is wasting time before the patient seeks actual help.

Or wasting time until the problem resolves itself. There’s also the placebo effect, so homeopathic water can actually help people, even though it’s just water. Not that I support the homeopathy scam.

75 Great White Snark  Mar 11, 2015 12:51:16pm

Sorry if this rants a bit.

Real loving parents of adopted children will never abandon them, always do everything they can for them. Locking them away ain’t it. Let alone all the rest. How despicable. If you can’t love them unconditionally stay out of parenting. Oh and stay the hell away from cats, dogs and goldfish. Ya ain’t got the skills to care.

76 Kragar  Mar 11, 2015 12:51:27pm

The AR Governor is hoping this just goes away:

Governor says it wouldn’t be prudent to jump to conclusions about the Harris matter. Indeed not. But it might be a time to talk about ending the enormous conflict of interest presented by Harris presiding over a committee that handles children’s issues when he stands accused of applying pressure of his office to get an adoption opposed by case workers and, since, of accusing DHS of various sorts of wrongdoing in his own personal case.

Hutchinson said enough wasn’t known to form an opinion on whether Harris, who, like Hutchinson, is a Republican, should step down.

“It seems premature to make judgments when all the facts aren’t on the table,” he was quoted by Gavin Lesnick of the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette.

Hutchinson also said his fact-finding options were limited. He is just the governor and only in charge of DHS, whose leaders serve at his pleasure. Jeremy Gillam’s statement at least opens the door to some sort of review of Harris. Previously, he’d indicated he thought it was old history and that he saw no need to say anything further about Harris. You have to wonder if they’d be so reticent about a Democrat in the same position.

UPDATE FROM LESLIE PEACOCK AT THE GOVERNOR’S OFFICE:

Asa says he is focusing on child welfare part of Harris story and does not plan to talk to Harris. He said if the state had the money it would be good to have oversight of DHS in form of inspector general but would need subpoena power. He kept referring to a DHS situation that had been dropped in his lap.

77 Timothy Watson  Mar 11, 2015 12:51:46pm

re: #14 Thanos

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The bad thing is the only reason I know that song is because it was used on “Person of Interest”.

Also, Ramin Djawadi (composer on both “Person of Interest” and “Game of Thrones”) is awesome.

78 Decatur Deb  Mar 11, 2015 12:52:01pm

re: #62 team_fukit

I actually wouldn’t be surprised, with the video taping and access to marginalized children and all, if this dude was running a child porn/abuse ring.

Can’t say Harris did that with the reporting at hand, but a decent prosecutor would make a hobby out of finding out.

79 Kragar  Mar 11, 2015 12:52:46pm

re: #63 lawhawk

80 No Country For Old Haters  Mar 11, 2015 12:54:17pm

re: #77 Timothy Watson

The bad thing is the only reason I know that song is because it was used on “Person of Interest”.

That show got pretty weird and goofy with AI war plot, but I’ll watch anything with Amy Acker in it.

81 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 11, 2015 12:54:18pm

Iran aims to ban vasectomies and cut access to contraceptives to boost births

Soon they will outnumber us!!!

We have no choice but to counter this move by doing the same and adding Viagra to the drinking water

82 Timothy Watson  Mar 11, 2015 12:55:38pm

re: #80 No Country For Old Haters

That show got pretty weird and goofy with AI war plot, but I’ll watch anything with Amy Acker in it.

Hard to argue with that logic. :)

Hopefully Sarah Shahi will be back next season, hard to argue with either of them. :)

83 Jenner7  Mar 11, 2015 12:57:58pm

Gee…let…me…think….

84 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 12:58:16pm

re: #79 Kragar

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Well, we tried the ‘No Enrichment Or No Negotiations’ approach that the GOP wants under Bush, and Iran went from zero enrichment capability to a couple thousand centrifuges.

85 Justanotherhuman  Mar 11, 2015 12:58:33pm

re: #76 Kragar

What a fucking weasel. All of them.

86 ObserverArt  Mar 11, 2015 12:58:39pm

I’ve mentioned I was Catholic schooled before, but I can never remember anyone in any of our religious teaching classes speaking about Exorcisms. Ever.

A few years after graduating though, a good friend who worked with mental health patients in my old hometown became good friends with the former Monsignor of our church after he stepped down and was more or less in retirement.

This priest reluctantly told my buddy that he and a ‘special’ priest from another state had to ‘work’ an exorcism in a farm community here in Ohio. This priest said he too never believed in the need for exorcism, but what they were up against was truly bizarre and strange. The priest was pretty secretive of it all, but said it all scared the beejeebers out of him.

The priest also said the reason you do not hear Catholics talking about the Exorcism Rights is because the are extremely rare and used very sparingly. The special priest had only worked one before this case. and since he was getting up in the years doubted he would be needed again in his life.

So, it is not like the Cataholic church makes a big deal about exorcisms. They are not a dime a dozen and many calls for them are proven to be bunk.

I understand they are quite popular in fundie churches and with faith healer types. And I do believe other mainstream churches do call on a Catholic priest to do studies of people that might be in need.

Who knows. If there are good people…there are bad people. Is that possession or just violent mental health issues?

I do know of a few people of a certain political party that seem possessed. Yes…evil they are!

87 Timothy Watson  Mar 11, 2015 12:59:22pm

re: #83 Jenner7

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Gee…let…me…think….

Poor Marc Lamont Hill, he’s probably going to have a stroke.

88 Kragar  Mar 11, 2015 12:59:37pm

re: #80 No Country For Old Haters

That show got pretty weird and goofy with AI war plot, but I’ll watch anything with Amy Acker in it.

I find myself in a similar predicament with Lucy Lawless.

Which reminds me that I need to watch the first season of Spartacus again sometime soon…

89 Dr Lizardo  Mar 11, 2015 1:01:23pm

re: #86 ObserverArt

I remember reading in the book The Exorcist Father Karras explaining to Regan’s mother that exorcisms in the Catholic Church are exceedingly rare.

I believe that was mentioned in the film as well.

90 Decatur Deb  Mar 11, 2015 1:02:24pm

re: #86 ObserverArt

I’ve mentioned I was Catholic schooled before, but I can never remember anyone in any of our religious teaching classes speaking about Exorcisms. Ever.

A few years after graduating though, a good friend who worked with mental health patients in my old hometown became good friends with the former Monsignor of our church after he stepped down an was more or less in retirement.

This priest reluctantly told my buddy that he and a ‘special’ priest from another state had to ‘work’ an exorcism in a farm community here in Ohio. This priest said he too never believed in the need for exorcism, but what they were up against was truly bizarre and strange. The priest was pretty secretive of it all, but said it all scared the beejeebers out of him.

The priest also said the reason you do not hear Catholics talking about the Exorcism Rights is because the are extremely rare and used very sparingly. The special priest had only worked one before this case. and since he was getting up in the years doubted he would be needed again in his life.

So, it is not like the Cataholic church makes a big deal about exorcisms. They are not a dime a dozen and many calls for them are proven to be bunk.

I understand they are quite popular in fundie churches and with faith healer types. And I do believe other mainstream churches do call on a Catholic priest to do studies of people that might be in need.

Who knows. If there are good people…there are bad people. Is that possession or just violent mental health issues?

I do know of a few people of a certain political party that seem possessed. Yes…evil they are!

RC exorcism has been rare, certainly since the middle ages. OTOH, the cosmology that permits exorcism remains in place.

A modern pope gets old school on the Devil

washingtonpost.com

91 Targetpractice  Mar 11, 2015 1:03:44pm

re: #68 stpaulbear

I’m not sure he can survive ‘raped girl’ though. I sure hope not. Giving his daughter to a rapist isn’t something he can walk back.

Sure he can. He’s already laid the groundwork for a defense in court that he had no idea who the Francises really were, had no idea what went on in their home, and was totally unaware of what the hubby was up to. All he saw was a good home to dump these girls on and that’s what he did.

92 No Country For Old Haters  Mar 11, 2015 1:06:53pm

re: #88 Kragar

I find myself in a similar predicament with Lucy Lawless.

Which reminds me that I need to watch the first season of Spartacus again sometime soon…

I plan to start that series next week for that reason.

93 Kragar  Mar 11, 2015 1:07:30pm

re: #91 Targetpractice

How could a could Christian family give demonically possessed females to that poor man without warning him they would turn him into a pedophile?
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94 Justanotherhuman  Mar 11, 2015 1:09:32pm

re: #91 Targetpractice

Sure he can. He’s already laid the groundwork for a defense in court that he had no idea who the Francises really were, had no idea what went on in their home, and was totally unaware of what the hubby was up to. All he saw was a good home to dump these girls on and that’s what he did.

“That’s when he looked to Francis and his wife, Stacey Francis. Stacey Francis was Marsha Harris’ friend, the couple were parents of three other adopted children, and Justin Harris said that Eric Francis had passed two pre-employment screenings when he applied to work at a preschool that the lawmaker owns.” (my emphasis)

13wmaz.com

95 Kragar  Mar 11, 2015 1:09:34pm

re: #92 No Country For Old Haters

I plan to start that series next week for that reason.

“Good lord, this show is utterly ridicu…. Why, hello there, Miss Lawless.”

96 Justanotherhuman  Mar 11, 2015 1:10:37pm

Update: Ferguson, Mo., Police Chief Tom Jackson announces resignation in letter; press conference expected at 4 pm CT - @stltoday
read more on stltoday.com

97 Targetpractice  Mar 11, 2015 1:13:28pm

re: #96 Justanotherhuman

Update: Ferguson, Mo., Police Chief Tom Jackson announces resignation in letter; press conference expected at 4 pm CT - @stltoday
read more on stltoday.com

Getting out while he can still be guaranteed full pension and bennies. As opposed to the guys lower down on the totem pole, who are about to get roundly fucked.

98 Justanotherhuman  Mar 11, 2015 1:13:33pm

re: #94 Justanotherhuman

So—who thinks Harris may have intervened in the Francis adoption of those other kids?

I’m wondering exactly how much was uncovered in the the investigation that netted Francis 40 yrs in the slammer?

99 No Country For Old Haters  Mar 11, 2015 1:15:21pm

re: #95 Kragar

“Good lord, this show is utterly ridicu…. Why, hello there, Miss Lawless.”

I’m still not going to watch more than the couple of episodes I’ve seen of Xena. You have to draw a line somewhere.

100 Snarknado!  Mar 11, 2015 1:16:27pm

re: #34 Nyet

Stalin sent them to GULAG, when he didn’t shoot them. The punitive psychiatry was Brezhnev’s thing.

But not original with him. Nicholas I started the “commitment for wrong thinking” practice, as far as I know (Chaadaev.) In Russia, at least.

101 calochortus  Mar 11, 2015 1:19:31pm

So, the more I read about the Harrises, the more it sounds like they suffer from a life where things have gone pretty well for them and they think God will smooth the way for them in all things. So, they swoop in and are going to rescue these girls and it doesn’t go the way they thought it would-they are, in fact, out of their depth just as they had been warned.

Naturally, it can’t be their fault. God loves them. It must be demons! Such powerful demons they just can’t cope, so they ditch the whole experiment. Except of course that this involves some very fragile small children, but that’s not as important as demonstrating what great people they are.

Sounds like DHS should have stuck to their guns, but they were probably just as happy to get those kids out of their hair too.

102 Kragar  Mar 11, 2015 1:20:22pm

I like to think I’m a fair man.

All I want is for Justin Harris to flinch and be on the verge of pissing himself in terror anytime his cell door opens for the rest of his miserable life.

Is that too much to ask for?

103 Dr Lizardo  Mar 11, 2015 1:22:14pm

re: #99 No Country For Old Haters

I’m still not going to watch more than the couple of episodes I’ve seen of Xena. You have to draw a line somewhere.

I only ever watched Xena when Hudson Leick was the guest star.

Callisto made me swoon. Hot and crazy; there’s something about that.

104 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 11, 2015 1:22:43pm

strange to live in a period of time when great technological capabilities coexist with large pockets of bronze age beliefs

105 Kragar  Mar 11, 2015 1:23:19pm

re: #99 No Country For Old Haters

I’m still not going to watch more than the couple of episodes I’ve seen of Xena. You have to draw a line somewhere.

I tried to watch the entire series.

I just could not do it.

106 allegro  Mar 11, 2015 1:23:26pm

re: #101 calochortus

So, the more I read about the Harrises, the more it sounds like they suffer from a life where things have gone pretty well for them and they think God will smooth the way for them in all things. So, they swoop in and are going to rescue these girls and it doesn’t go the way they thought it would-they are, in fact, out of their depth just as they had been warned.

Naturally, it can’t be their fault. God loves them. It must be demons! Such powerful demons they just can’t cope, so they ditch the whole experiment. Except of course that this involves some very fragile small children, but that’s not as important as demonstrating what great people they are.

Sounds like DHS should have stuck to their guns, but they were probably just as happy to get those kids out of their hair too.

So ditch the kids to a kiddie rapist and keep the government money. Oh, and claim victimhood after bullying the system and abusing the kids.

Yeah, I’m with Krager on this one.

107 calochortus  Mar 11, 2015 1:25:36pm

re: #106 allegro

So ditch the kids to a kiddie rapist and keep the government money. Oh, and claim victimhood after bullying the system and abusing the kids.

Yeah, I’m with Krager on this one.

I didn’t say that excused it. It is, however, useful to understand why someone has acted in such a bizarre fashion before locking them up for a long, long time.

108 Justanotherhuman  Mar 11, 2015 1:25:41pm

40-year plea deal in child abuse case in Benton County

arktimes.com

The mother of the children (scroll down to “This Was My Winning Battle”)

“All I wanted to do was to make sure my girls were safe and in a good home, you know? To at least keep them together, instead of DHS taking my rights,” said Sarah Young, the biological mother of the three sisters, in an interview with the Times.

“That is why, in 2011, Young approached the Harrises and asked them to adopt her daughters, then in foster care. She said she was originally introduced to the Harrises by a former friend. After Friday’s press conference, Justin Harris gave a lengthy interview to a KARK-TV, Channel 4, reporter in which he told a similar story about how his troubled adoption began.

(snip) This is just heartbreaking:

“The girls had been taken into DHS custody in early 2011 after suffering through a staggering sequence of chaos and abuse. First, Young discovered her husband sexually assaulting Jeannette, the oldest of the three girls, and turned him in; he is now in prison. (Other sources claim Young waited for days to turn the husband over to the police.) Young then became involved with a man who cooked and sold methamphetamine; a fire started by his meth lab provoked a police investigation that sent that man, too, to prison. The child abuse hotline soon thereafter received a call from an individual concerned for the girls’ safety, and investigators found the children in the care of a woman in a house with multiple adults who tested positive for meth; one man at the home had been sexually abusing both Jeannette and Mary, and he is now serving a 120-year sentence. When DHS collected the children, the eldest was 5, the middle girl was 3 and the youngest was under a year old.” More

109 Targetpractice  Mar 11, 2015 1:26:30pm

re: #101 calochortus

So, the more I read about the Harrises, the more it sounds like they suffer from a life where things have gone pretty well for them and they think God will smooth the way for them in all things. So, they swoop in and are going to rescue these girls and it doesn’t go the way they thought it would-they are, in fact, out of their depth just as they had been warned.

Naturally, it can’t be their fault. God loves them. It must be demons! Such powerful demons they just can’t cope, so they ditch the whole experiment. Except of course that this involves some very fragile small children, but that’s not as important as demonstrating what great people they are.

Sounds like DHS should have stuck to their guns, but they were probably just as happy to get those kids out of their hair too.

It seems that, even in the case of DHS, Harris abused the authority of his office to force them to allow the adoption to happen. He’s now trying to accuse them of having an “agenda” against him, saddling him with these girls and then threatening him with child abandonment charges if he attempted to terminate the adoption. And it seems his buddies in the legislature have his back on this, as they’re now “investigating” the DHS and considering a bill to “reform” it.

110 Kragar  Mar 11, 2015 1:27:57pm

re: #109 Targetpractice

I blame Rutherford B Hayes.

111 aagcobb  Mar 11, 2015 1:28:59pm

re: #108 Justanotherhuman

40-year plea deal in child abuse case in Benton County

arktimes.com

The mother of the children (scroll down to “This Was My Winning Battle”)

“All I wanted to do was to make sure my girls were safe and in a good home, you know? To at least keep them together, instead of DHS taking my rights,” said Sarah Young, the biological mother of the three sisters, in an interview with the Times.

“That is why, in 2011, Young approached the Harrises and asked them to adopt her daughters, then in foster care. She said she was originally introduced to the Harrises by a former friend. After Friday’s press conference, Justin Harris gave a lengthy interview to a KARK-TV, Channel 4, reporter in which he told a similar story about how his troubled adoption began.

(snip) This is just heartbreaking:

“The girls had been taken into DHS custody in early 2011 after suffering through a staggering sequence of chaos and abuse. First, Young discovered her husband sexually assaulting Jeannette, the oldest of the three girls, and turned him in; he is now in prison. (Other sources claim Young waited for days to turn the husband over to the police.) Young then became involved with a man who cooked and sold methamphetamine; a fire started by his meth lab provoked a police investigation that sent that man, too, to prison. The child abuse hotline soon thereafter received a call from an individual concerned for the girls’ safety, and investigators found the children in the care of a woman in a house with multiple adults who tested positive for meth; one man at the home had been sexually abusing both Jeannette and Mary, and he is now serving a 120-year sentence. When DHS collected the children, the eldest was 5, the middle girl was 3 and the youngest was under a year old.” More

It tears me apart reading about the suffering of little children; every child ought to have a safe and happy home, even though I know its not possible to ensure it. I don’t understand people who hurt children; its almost like they are possessed.

112 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 1:29:39pm

Sarah must be really pleased right about now:

Sarah Palin is in Arkansas and there are still politicians excited to have their picture made with

Loving the caption at the link:

Political nonentity Sarah Palin is in Fayetteville today signing her latest book, “Good Tidings and Great Joy: Protecting the Heart of Christmas” at Sam’s Club. Something for the campaign website of state auditor candidate Rep. Andrea Lea? Rep. Justin Harris is already blasting it out on Instagram.

113 calochortus  Mar 11, 2015 1:30:20pm

re: #109 Targetpractice

It seems that, even in the case of DHS, Harris abused the authority of his office to force them to allow the adoption to happen. He’s now trying to accuse them of having an “agenda” against him, saddling him with these girls and then threatening him with child abandonment charges if he attempted to terminate the adoption. And it seems his buddies in the legislature have his back on this, as they’re now “investigating” the DHS and considering a bill to “reform” it.

I gather the DHS has had some complaints (as have other agencies seeking placements for “difficult” children) about glossing over abuse and mental health issues in children they are trying to place.
In this case it is pretty obvious that it isn’t applicable, but it is not clear to me that an investigation of DHS would be a bad thing. Now, if they provided adequate funding for children’s services, that would be a good thing.

114 lawhawk  Mar 11, 2015 1:31:23pm

re: #79 Kragar

Short of bombing them out of existence, what the heck does Jindal propose doing that isn’t already being done or contemplated? If talks fail (as they might) then we’re going to see more sanctions on top of those already in effect.

Israel could conceivably try to take out the nuke sites as they’ve done in Iraq and Syria previously, but as I’ve outlined previously, this is not likely to happen, and isn’t likely to be successful due to how dispersed the Iranian nuclear program is.

The US/Israelis could conceivably pull off another Stuxnet type attack to screw up the centrifuge systems, ruining them entirely, but that’d be a whole lot more difficult give the attention to what happened the last time.

So, what else is there Jindal? GOP?

115 Nyet  Mar 11, 2015 1:33:12pm

re: #100 Snarknado!

But not original with him. Nicholas I started the “commitment for wrong thinking” practice, as far as I know (Chaadaev.) In Russia, at least.

Let’s not confuse practice with exceptional cases.

116 Targetpractice  Mar 11, 2015 1:35:27pm

re: #114 lawhawk

Short of bombing them out of existence, what the heck does Jindal propose doing that isn’t already being done or contemplated? If talks fail (as they might) then we’re going to see more sanctions on top of those already in effect.

Israel could conceivably try to take out the nuke sites as they’ve done in Iraq and Syria previously, but as I’ve outlined previously, this is not likely to happen, and isn’t likely to be successful due to how dispersed the Iranian nuclear program is.

The US/Israelis could conceivably pull off another Stuxnet type attack to screw up the centrifuge systems, ruining them entirely, but that’d be a whole lot more difficult give the attention to what happened the last time.

So, what else is there Jindal? GOP?

They want to say “Go to war,” but they know they can’t when elections are going on and war fatigue is still pretty strong. So instead, they’ll make noise about how there’s a “better deal” out there and we just have to keep pressuring Iran until they agree to it. Except the “better deal” they want involves “regime change” and that’s not going to happen.

117 lawhawk  Mar 11, 2015 1:35:43pm

No particular remorse or sadness over the events that occurred. Heck, no mention of the Brown shooting or the riots that followed.

Good riddance to bad rubbish - and may a whole boatload of FPD and STL County Police follow you out the door never to work in law enforcement again. You give decent and hard working police officers a bad name.

118 Justanotherhuman  Mar 11, 2015 1:36:17pm

re: #108 Justanotherhuman

This is another thing that really, really, struck and saddened me. Imagine a young girl, 5? 6? yrs old, suffering this way.

“After Jeannette entered DHS supervision in early 2011, she bounced around between foster care and inpatient psychiatric treatment before landing in a therapeutic foster home in May 2011. The mother in that household, who asked that her name not be used in this story, still refers to the girl as “my daughter” and describes her as simultaneously one of the most disturbing casualties of sexual abuse she’s ever encountered and a remarkable, resilient child who she grew to love as deeply as her own biological son.

“Now, I’m really good with kids with sexual trauma. But this kid was so sexualized, I’d never seen anything like it,” the therapeutic foster mother said. “My husband was so worried of any allegations that he wouldn’t go down the hall to her room.

“I had a big dog outside, and I caught her trying to stick a stick up the dog’s nose. So you think of the typical labels these kids get, like ‘Oh, they’re a sociopath,’ but when I asked her what she was doing she said, ‘I was trying to get him to kill me, so I could go to heaven.’ It wasn’t about controlling an animal — she was so sad about everything that happened to her, she really wanted to die.”

arktimes.com

119 calochortus  Mar 11, 2015 1:39:40pm

re: #118 Justanotherhuman

Children shouldn’t consider death a better choice than life.

120 Kragar  Mar 11, 2015 1:40:05pm

re: #118 Justanotherhuman

121 calochortus  Mar 11, 2015 1:40:08pm

And on that cheery note, I need to get stuff done.
BBL

122 Targetpractice  Mar 11, 2015 1:40:51pm

re: #117 lawhawk

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No particular remorse or sadness over the events that occurred. Heck, no mention of the Brown shooting or the riots that followed.

Good riddance to bad rubbish - and may a whole boatload of FPD and STL County Police follow you out the door never to work in law enforcement again. You give decent and hard working police officers a bad name.

He doesn’t want to take any responsibility whatsoever. A coward to the end.

123 Justanotherhuman  Mar 11, 2015 1:41:18pm

re: #119 calochortus

I just broke down reading that. I can’t imagine what that poor baby has suffered at the hands of so-called adults, selfish pigs.

124 BlueGrl21  Mar 11, 2015 1:42:32pm

Man, this one gets to me.

Abused, traumatized children are not toys. They need routine, consistent love AND discipline, and so much stability. They have to be able to build trust that some people are safe. I am a Christian, but I tell ya, prayers are nice but they have nothing to do with parenting a traumatized child. You have to be stable and patient and loving and a teacher to those children of how to respond to the world.

There is no miraculous fairy tale. There is commitment to the long term, that no one is leaving the room.

Why these ridiculous, immature people were allowed to take these girls is beyond me. That’s my problem #1, they never should have been allowed to adopt these girls and I want to know why they were. I wouldn’t have allowed them to adopt a puppy. Problem #2 is why they were able to just give them away when the inevitable happened….they couldn’t take care of the girls.

It’s sickening all around. I’m afraid it will just get worse as more comes out. And my heart breaks for those little girls.

125 WhatEVs  Mar 11, 2015 1:43:01pm

re: #69 No Country For Old Haters

Yeah, I’m pretty sure that most Conservatives are as against child rape as a normal person is.

Unless she asked for it. Was it a legitimate rape? Did it even happen or is it the Democrat Party (tm) our to get one of them good God fearin’ Republicans?

126 wrenchwench  Mar 11, 2015 1:44:05pm
127 Justanotherhuman  Mar 11, 2015 1:44:40pm

re: #120 Kragar

I want jail time for everyone involved in this, from the Harrises to the DHS officials who looked the other way, in every single circumstance those kids were in.

128 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 11, 2015 1:44:48pm

re: #110 Kragar

I blame Rutherford B Hayes.

I blame Dan Sickles.

129 WhatEVs  Mar 11, 2015 1:45:29pm

re: #71 Mattand

The one problem with that is that homeopathy never works. The only thing it’s good for is wasting time before the patient seeks actual help.

I don’t agree. There are at-home things that can be done that may make going to a doctor unnecessary. Perhaps I am thinking of something different. Maybe homopathy is something official that I am not considering, but I am thinking of, say, tripping over my feet and using RICE. Which, more times than not (as freaking clumsy as I am at times) works without medical intervention.

130 Kragar  Mar 11, 2015 1:46:06pm
131 WhatEVs  Mar 11, 2015 1:48:18pm

re: #80 No Country For Old Haters

That show got pretty weird and goofy with AI war plot, but I’ll watch anything with Amy Acker in it.

I miss Root and Sameen. Big time.

132 Kragar  Mar 11, 2015 1:49:14pm

re: #129 WhatEVs

I don’t agree. There are at-home things that can be done that may make going to a doctor unnecessary. Perhaps I am thinking of something different. Maybe homopathy is something official that I am not considering, but I am thinking of, say, tripping over my feet and using RICE. Which, more times than not (as freaking clumsy as I am at times) works without medical intervention.

Homeopathy has nothing to do with at home cures

Homeopathic medications have no proven benefits to patients

Homeopathy began in the 18th century with a German doctor called Samuel Hahnemann. Peeved that medical treatments, such as blood letting, were not as kind to patients as they might be, he began the search for alternatives. He struck on cinchona bark . The Peruvian plant product was taken as a remedy for malaria, but how it worked was a mystery. Fit and healthy, Hahnemann took some and noticed he broke out in fever. He reasoned that what caused fever cured fever. From that sole experience he established one of the central tenets of homeopathy: that like cures like.

Nature has been humanity’s greatest source of medicines and cinchona was soon to join them. Scientists established that whatever eating the bark might do to the body, it was the quinine in the plant matter that was antimalarial. However, Hahnemann stuck to his guns, and he went on to reach a second conviction, that preparations are more potent the more they are diluted. The popularity of homeopathy rocketed in the early 19th century, with the first dedicated hospital opening in 1832.

133 Dr. Matt  Mar 11, 2015 1:51:25pm

re: #126 wrenchwench

Are those multiple telephoto lenses in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?

134 WhatEVs  Mar 11, 2015 1:52:57pm

re: #97 Targetpractice

Getting out while he can still be guaranteed full pension and bennies. As opposed to the guys lower down on the totem pole, who are about to get roundly fucked.

Shouldn’t they be? From what I saw, that wasn’t a lot of good policin’ goin’ on.

135 wrenchwench  Mar 11, 2015 1:53:38pm

re: #129 WhatEVs

I don’t agree. There are at-home things that can be done that may make going to a doctor unnecessary. Perhaps I am thinking of something different. Maybe homopathy is something official that I am not considering, but I am thinking of, say, tripping over my feet and using RICE. Which, more times than not (as freaking clumsy as I am at times) works without medical intervention.

Homeopathy takes some stuff, puts it in water so it’s diluted down to nothing, shakes it for a long time, and says that’s what makes the non-stuff powerful. It’s really really whacky.

136 WhatEVs  Mar 11, 2015 1:54:29pm

re: #101 calochortus

So, the more I read about the Harrises, the more it sounds like they suffer from a life where things have gone pretty well for them and they think God will smooth the way for them in all things. So, they swoop in and are going to rescue these girls and it doesn’t go the way they thought it would-they are, in fact, out of their depth just as they had been warned.

Naturally, it can’t be their fault. God loves them. It must be demons! Such powerful demons they just can’t cope, so they ditch the whole experiment. Except of course that this involves some very fragile small children, but that’s not as important as demonstrating what great people they are.

Sounds like DHS should have stuck to their guns, but they were probably just as happy to get those kids out of their hair too.

An unhappy position no matter how you look at it. If a state rep is threatening to cut your budget and that budget is what allows you to help kids (supposedly), what do you do? How does DHS get out of it without getting fucked?

137 Targetpractice  Mar 11, 2015 1:54:31pm

re: #134 WhatEVs

Shouldn’t they be? From what I saw, that wasn’t a lot of good policin’ goin’ on.

Didn’t say they don’t deserve it, just saying they’re about to get screwed six ways from Sunday. You can be sure anybody who’s not getting out now is going to lose something, whether it be their job, retirement benefits, or worse. FPD’s about to get a very much needed house-cleaning, if not just shut down and condemned.

138 WhatEVs  Mar 11, 2015 1:54:57pm

re: #102 Kragar

I like to think I’m a fair man.

All I want is for Justin Harris to flinch and be on the verge of pissing himself in terror anytime his cell door opens for the rest of his miserable life.

Is that too much to ask for?

No. It’s not.

139 Nyet  Mar 11, 2015 1:56:24pm

Russian exorcisms:

Orthodox Christian:

…

And in Chechnya there’s a whole Center of Islamic Medicie where djinns are “exorcised”:

…

140 Kragar  Mar 11, 2015 1:56:50pm

re: #135 wrenchwench

Homeopathy takes some stuff (supposed to be the opposite of what ails you) puts it in water so it’s diluted down to nothing, shakes it for a long time, and says that’s what makes the non-stuff powerful. It’s really really whacky.

“You have this disease. Here drink this. This is a vial of water that we keep in a fridge where we keep 2000 other vials, one of which at some point held a .01% solution of something a quack said might help your symptoms. That will be $500. See you next month.”

141 b_sharp  Mar 11, 2015 1:57:56pm

re: #140 Kragar

“You have this disease. Here drink this. This is a vial of water that we keep in a fridge where we keep 2000 other vials, one of which at some point held a .01% solution of something a quack said might help your symptoms. That will be $500. See you next month.”

More like .0000001% solution.

142 wrenchwench  Mar 11, 2015 1:58:48pm

re: #140 Kragar

My sister in law who believes that is German, which may have contributed to her delusion.

143 Iwouldprefernotto  Mar 11, 2015 1:59:28pm

re: #140 Kragar

“You have this disease. Here drink this. This is a vial of water that we keep in a fridge where we keep 2000 other vials, one of which at some point held a .01% solution of something a quack said might help your symptoms. That will be $500. See you next month.”

Kind of what I used to do with hand soap and shampoo. When it runs out I keep adding water. It’s magic. (Until you get female visitors and they think you’re an idiot).

144 Kragar  Mar 11, 2015 1:59:35pm

re: #141 b_sharp

More like .0000001% solution.

“We tapped the vial once against a bottle of aspirin. The sympathetic vibrations created should be good for another 50 years or so.”

145 WhatEVs  Mar 11, 2015 1:59:58pm

re: #132 Kragar

Ok, I stand corrected. Thank you.

146 WhatEVs  Mar 11, 2015 2:01:31pm

re: #137 Targetpractice

Didn’t say they deserve it, just saying they’re about to get screwed six ways from Sunday. You can be sure anybody who’s not getting out now is going to lose something, whether it be their job, retirement benefits, or worse. FPD’s about to get a very much needed house-cleaning, if not just shut down and condemned.

The scary part about getting shut down and condemned is that STL County might be the ones who pick up the area. And they are equally bad as FPD. Maybe worse.

147 The Mountain That Blogs  Mar 11, 2015 2:01:41pm

re: #141 b_sharp

More like .0000001% solution.

Actually it’s far, far, far, far, far, far less than even that.

148 Justanotherhuman  Mar 11, 2015 2:01:50pm

re: #136 WhatEVs

You document everything in your dealings with a blackmailer like Harris.

149 BlueGrl21  Mar 11, 2015 2:01:55pm

Argh, here’s the other thing that kills me…I work with troubled kids, if you can’t tell.

We as parents have a responsibility not just to our children but to society as well. If we are dealing with a deeply disturbed child, even a sociopathic child, we work to bring them to the best mental state possible and if they are a threat to society (and some of them are), we HAVE to recognize that with clear eyes as they grow older. We can’t always heal them, but they are still our responsibility as members of our society.

Adopting a child carries the SAME RESPONSIBILITY. That is your child, period. If you can’t handle the fact that your child may end up being the center of tremendous sacrifices, don’t be a parent. This is not playtime.

It amazes me that people who claim to have such a strong faith in God don’t see these children as given to them to heal. Rejecting the broken is the OPPOSITE of what we’re called to do. The polar opposite. Nothing could be less Christian than abandoning a troubled child to wolves.

/rant. Bastards.

150 Khal Wimpo  Mar 11, 2015 2:02:34pm

re: #144 Kragar

“We tapped the vial once against a bottle of aspirin. The sympathetic vibrations created should be good for another 50 years or so.”

My Russian translator once told me that back in the Soviet days, there was a homeopathic quack on the state-owned TV channels. He claimed to be putting out powerful rays that would cure all ills, and that to absorb those rays, people should put pots of water on top of their TVs, and then use that water to wash, drink, etc.

Yep, you guessed it. Thousands of shorted-out TVs across Russia, and electrocuted babushkas. So it’s not just us.

Not sure if that makes me feel better, or worse.

151 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 11, 2015 2:02:41pm

re: #114 lawhawk

Short of bombing them out of existence, what the heck does Jindal propose doing that isn’t already being done or contemplated? If talks fail (as they might) then we’re going to see more sanctions on top of those already in effect.

Israel could conceivably try to take out the nuke sites as they’ve done in Iraq and Syria previously, but as I’ve outlined previously, this is not likely to happen, and isn’t likely to be successful due to how dispersed the Iranian nuclear program is.

The US/Israelis could conceivably pull off another Stuxnet type attack to screw up the centrifuge systems, ruining them entirely, but that’d be a whole lot more difficult give the attention to what happened the last time.

So, what else is there Jindal? GOP?

The fact that the Iranians are pursuing uranium enrichment is all I need to conclude that they’re following the South Africa plan—manufacture a very, very small number (because of the exorbitant amount of fissile material needed) of gun-type weapons, in order to make weapon design easy.

This is not a force that represents an existential threat to anybody. Anyone in possession of such weapons is never going to use them first because they know the damage they will receive will be 1000 times as bad as what they can inflict.

The only purpose of possessing such weapons would be to make a nuclear-armed neighbor think very, very carefully about making a first strike attack on you. Given that the Israelis have in the past demonstrated themselves to be capable of absolutely anything, in Iran’s position, you’d be paranoid too.

I certainly can’t see Iran’s possession of a handful of primitive devices such as this as any kind of threat to the US’s national security. They would certainly have no means to deliver them outside the region, and I question their ability to deliver them against Israel. I think it’s arguable that having some kind of counterpoise to Israel’s nuclear force would tend to stabilize the region, rather than the opposite. I know other people disagree, and that’s fine, but that doesn’t justify calling a deal that they know nothing about a threat to our security.

152 WhatEVs  Mar 11, 2015 2:03:07pm

re: #148 Justanotherhuman

You document everything in your dealings with a blackmailer like Harris.

He should be in jail for that alone. Using your position like that? I do believe that is illegal…even if the other shit he did may not have been (to the letter). Abuse of authority is a criminal offense.

153 Kragar  Mar 11, 2015 2:03:21pm

Home Cure:
Pure honey can be used as natural form of burn relief

Homeopathy:
Place this squeeze pack of honey flavored syrup against the wound, but don’t open it so we can use it again later.

154 b_sharp  Mar 11, 2015 2:04:58pm

re: #147 The Mountain That Blogs

Actually it’s far, far, far, far, far, far less than even that.

I didn’t want to put in 60 zeros.

155 WhatEVs  Mar 11, 2015 2:05:01pm

re: #153 Kragar

Honey is supposed to be good for allergies, too (eating it, not applying it liberally to various body parts).

I wish I liked honey. My allergies are pretty bad.

156 Nyet  Mar 11, 2015 2:06:17pm

re: #150 Khal Wimpo

I’m not sure about “electrocuted babushkas”, haven’t heard about it (and the water had to be in front of the screen), but Chumak and Kashpirovsky weren’t homeopaths, they were other kind of frauds/quacks.

157 b_sharp  Mar 11, 2015 2:06:27pm

C30 = .00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%

158 wrenchwench  Mar 11, 2015 2:07:11pm

I’ve had hundreds of people tell me that they prayed for me, but I still credit my survival to the neurosurgeon, and the nursery school teacher who gave me CPR (who also told me she prayed for me), and the helicopter transport and all the well trained emergency personnel who cared for me, They are lousy at cutting hair, though. Finally had a professional fix it today.

159 Justanotherhuman  Mar 11, 2015 2:07:57pm

re: #155 WhatEVs

I hear it’s supposed to be local honey, for the local allergies. But I don’t put any stock into that. Sound plausible, but no. Antihistamines generally work a lot better with a box of tissues. : )

160 Nyet  Mar 11, 2015 2:08:05pm

re: #158 wrenchwench

{{{{ww}}}}

161 b_sharp  Mar 11, 2015 2:08:15pm

re: #158 wrenchwench

I’ve had hundreds of people tell me that they prayed for me, but I still credit my survival to the neurosurgeon, and the nursery school teacher who gave me CPR (who also told me she prayed for me), and the helicopter transport and all the well trained emergency personnel who cared for me, They are lousy at cutting hair, though. Finally had a professional fix it today.

I thank them all too.

Many times over.

162 WhatEVs  Mar 11, 2015 2:09:06pm

re: #158 wrenchwench

What happened to you? I read bits and pieces here and there.

Please ignore if I am getting too personal or if it hurts too much to relive. I didn’t realize that you went through all that and I was curious.

{{{ hug }}}

163 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 11, 2015 2:10:13pm

re: #154 b_sharp

I didn’t want to put in 60 zeros.

Lest anyone think b_sharp is kidding, many homeopathic solutions are diluted at “30C”. That means they’ve been diluted to one part in a hundred 30 times. In other words, the original material in that small vial would have to be spread around among all the matter in this galaxy and a hundred more just like it.

164 WhatEVs  Mar 11, 2015 2:10:20pm

re: #159 Justanotherhuman

I hear it’s supposed to be local honey, for the local allergies. But I don’t put any stock into that. Sound plausible, but no. Antihistamines generally work a lot better with a box of tissues. : )

I live on Benedryl, Sudafed and Excederin Migrane.

And allergy shots.

Still…my allergies suck. And what usually (historically) a bad month, January, just started two weeks ago. I want to go to sleep for a month or so. It’s miserable.

165 Varek Raith  Mar 11, 2015 2:11:13pm
166 Nyet  Mar 11, 2015 2:11:42pm

BTW, if Catholics can exorcise, and Protestants can exorcise, and Orthodox can exorcise, and Muslims can exorcise, and Jews can exorcise, then which religion is the true one? /

167 WhatEVs  Mar 11, 2015 2:11:55pm

re: #163 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Lest anyone think b_sharp is kidding, many homeopathic solutions are diluted at “30C”. That means they’ve been diluted to one part in a hundred 30 times. In other words, the original material in that small vial would have to be spread around among all the matter in this galaxy and a hundred more just like it.

I had no idea this was a thing. Who would believe that this would work?

I suppose, though, it’s like my allergy shots…where you get tiny doses of the allergen injected weekly. Sorta, I guess. But that sounds stupid, even to me (who takes those weekly injections).

168 Justanotherhuman  Mar 11, 2015 2:12:27pm

re: #164 WhatEVs

So sorry! I found my allergies lessened w/age, so there might be a light at the end of the tunnel. : )

169 Kragar  Mar 11, 2015 2:13:33pm

re: #166 Nyet

BTW, if Catholics can exorcise, and Orthodox can exorcise, and Muslims can exorcise, and Jews can exorcise, then which religion is the true one? /

Seventh Day Advent Hoppists, because they get the most exercise.

170 WhatEVs  Mar 11, 2015 2:13:41pm

re: #168 Justanotherhuman

So sorry! I found my allergies lessened w/age, so there might be a light at the end of the tunnel. : )

Thanks. That’s very kind.

171 Varek Raith  Mar 11, 2015 2:14:06pm

re: #168 Justanotherhuman

So sorry! I found my allergies lessened w/age, so there might be a light at the end of the tunnel. : )

The light at the end of the tunnel is the headlamp of an oncoming train.
/Me, cynical? Nope!

172 wrenchwench  Mar 11, 2015 2:14:17pm

re: #162 WhatEVs

What happened to you? I read bits and pieces here and there.

Please ignore if I am getting too personal or if it hurts too much to relive. I didn’t realize that you went through all that and I was curious.

{{{ hug }}}

On Oct. 27, 2014, I was walking in a crosswalk and was hit by a car making a left turn. I got a TBI (traumatic brain injury) the remaining symptom of which (now that my hair is fixed) is that my eyes are not working well together. That’s getting better, but they don’t know how long it will take.

173 Dark_Falcon  Mar 11, 2015 2:14:38pm

re: #151 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The fact that the Iranians are pursuing uranium enrichment is all I need to conclude that they’re following the South Africa plan—manufacture a very, very small number (because of the exorbitant amount of fissile material needed) of gun-type weapons, in order to make weapon design easy.

This is not a force that represents an existential threat to anybody. Anyone in possession of such weapons is never going to use them first because they know the damage they will receive will be 1000 times as bad as what they can inflict.

The only purpose of possessing such weapons would be to make a nuclear-armed neighbor think very, very carefully about making a first strike attack on you. Given that the Israelis have in the past demonstrated themselves to be capable of absolutely anything, in Iran’s position, you’d be paranoid too.

I certainly can’t see Iran’s possession of a handful of primitive devices such as this as any kind of threat to the US’s national security. They would certainly have no means to deliver them outside the region, and I question their ability to deliver them against Israel. I think it’s arguable that having some kind of counterpoise to Israel’s nuclear force would tend to stabilize the region, rather than the opposite. I know other people disagree, and that’s fine, but that doesn’t justify calling a deal that they know nothing about a threat to our security.

Israel is so small that it would only take a small number of 10-20 kiloton nukes to pose an existential threat.

174 Justanotherhuman  Mar 11, 2015 2:14:50pm

re: #171 Varek Raith

Get out. : )

175 wrenchwench  Mar 11, 2015 2:15:17pm

re: #164 WhatEVs

I live on Benedryl, Sudafed and Excederin Migrane.

And allergy shots.

Still…my allergies suck. And what usually (historically) a bad month, January, just started two weeks ago. I want to go to sleep for a month or so. It’s miserable.

I use Nasalcrom for my juniper pollen allergy.

176 CuriousLurker  Mar 11, 2015 2:15:19pm

re: #158 wrenchwench

I’ve had hundreds of people tell me that they prayed for me, but I still credit my survival to the neurosurgeon, and the nursery school teacher who gave me CPR (who also told me she prayed for me), and the helicopter transport and all the well trained emergency personnel who cared for me, They are lousy at cutting hair, though. Finally had a professional fix it today.

I go for the “trust in God, but tie your camel” option. It covers everything, heh.

re: #161 b_sharp

I thank them all too.

Many times over.

Seconded.

177 Dark_Falcon  Mar 11, 2015 2:15:32pm

re: #172 wrenchwench

On Oct. 27, 2014, I was walking in a crosswalk and was hit by a car making a left turn. I got a TBI (traumatic brain injury) the remaining symptom of which (now that my hair is fixed) is that my eyes are not working well together. That’s getting better, but they don’t know how long it will take.

I’d do hug parentheses, but I’m sick and don’t want you getting what I’ve got,

178 Targetpractice  Mar 11, 2015 2:15:38pm

re: #173 Dark_Falcon

Israel is so small that it would only take a small number of 10-20 kiloton nukes to pose an existential threat.

Explain the logic behind nuking the very land you wish to acquire.

179 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 11, 2015 2:15:44pm

re: #167 WhatEVs

I had no idea this was a thing. Who would believe that this would work?

I suppose, though, it’s like my allergy shots…where you get tiny doses of the allergen injected weekly. Sorta, I guess. But that sounds stupid, even to me (who takes those weekly injections).

Actually, according to homeopaths, it’s the “succussion” between dilutions that does the job—originally, banging it against a bible. I think they just use shaking machines nowadays—I’m sure that’s why their solutions don’t work./

180 b_sharp  Mar 11, 2015 2:16:24pm

re: #175 wrenchwench

I use Nasalcrom for my juniper pollen allergy.

Here come the Conan jokes.

181 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 11, 2015 2:16:27pm

re: #176 CuriousLurker

I go for the “trust in God, but tie your camel” option. It covers everything, heh.

Seconded.

You two and your “neurosurgeon club.”

Which no one else here should try to join.

182 wrenchwench  Mar 11, 2015 2:16:32pm

re: #177 Dark_Falcon

I’d do hug parentheses, but I’m sick and don’t want you getting what I’ve got,

I hope you are well soon. {{{D_F}}}

183 makeitstop  Mar 11, 2015 2:16:47pm

re: #166 Nyet

BTW, if Catholics can exorcise, and Protestants can exorcise, and Orthodox can exorcise, and Muslims can exorcise, and Jews can exorcise, then which religion is the true one? /

I’m tired after all that exorcising.
/

184 Justanotherhuman  Mar 11, 2015 2:17:10pm

re: #180 b_sharp

Maybe you should try a few gin and tonics…

185 b_sharp  Mar 11, 2015 2:17:40pm

re: #183 makeitstop

I’m tired after all that exorcising.
/

Do you even lift, dude?

186 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 11, 2015 2:18:52pm

re: #178 Targetpractice

Explain the logic behind nuking the very land you wish to acquire.

Plus explain why I’m going to do that, knowing what retribution is going to rain down on me. The only way Iran would use these weapons against Israel (and how exactly?) would be if Israel has already launched a nuclear attack on them.

187 makeitstop  Mar 11, 2015 2:20:00pm

re: #185 b_sharp

Do you even lift, dude?

Nah. I levitate.

188 b_sharp  Mar 11, 2015 2:20:35pm

re: #184 Justanotherhuman

Maybe you should try a few gin and tonics…

Conan: NasalCrom, I have never prayed to you before. I have no nose for it. No one, not even you, will remember if we were good men or bad. Why we sneezed, or why we hocked. All that matters is that two stood against many. That’s what’s important! Itching pleases you, nasalCrom… so grant me one request. Grant me relief! And if you do not listen, then to HELL with you!

189 Justanotherhuman  Mar 11, 2015 2:21:10pm

Sounds like a drunken brawl. Were the knives heavy metal?

Clive, Iowa, police say 2 brothers transported to hospital after knife fight; names match Slipknot guitarist and brother, but police won’t confirm identities - @DMRegister
read more on desmoinesregister.com

(snip)

“Clive police reported the two brothers were fighting and armed with knives in the front yard of a home in the 1900 block of Northwest 129th Street about 4:25 a.m., according to a news release.

“At first the brothers were fighting inside the home, but moved outside after it got physical.

“When officers arrived, they found the brothers, both apparently drunk, with serious but not life-threatening stab wounds. Mickeal Thomson had a stab wound in the back of his head.”

190 BlueGrl21  Mar 11, 2015 2:21:12pm

re: #166 Nyet

BTW, if Catholics can exorcise, and Protestants can exorcise, and Orthodox can exorcise, and Muslims can exorcise, and Jews can exorcise, then which religion is the true one? /

Satanism.

191 #FergusonFireside  Mar 11, 2015 2:22:15pm
192 Nyet  Mar 11, 2015 2:22:19pm

re: #190 BlueGrl21

Satanism.

Heh.

193 Dark_Falcon  Mar 11, 2015 2:23:22pm

re: #186 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Plus explain why I’m going to do that, knowing what retribution is going to rain down on me. The only way Iran would use these weapons against Israel (and how exactly?) would be if Israel has already launched a nuclear attack on them.

That assumes the decision to launch was made rationally. What about irrational motives, such as believing the destruction of Israel fulfills devine mandate or is needed for the Mahdi’s return?

194 CuriousLurker  Mar 11, 2015 2:23:28pm

re: #178 Targetpractice

Explain the logic behind nuking the very land you wish to acquire.

Yeah, I still haven’t figured out how they’d nuke it without killing a bunch of Muslims, potentially destroying the third holiest site in Islam, and rendering the whole area unlivable. Then there would be the reaction from other countries… seems suicidal to me.

They may be hardliners, but they want to keep the power they’ve had for the past (almost) 40 years. Worldly power is of no use to dead men.

195 Targetpractice  Mar 11, 2015 2:23:37pm

re: #193 Dark_Falcon

That assumes the decision to launch was made rationally. What about irrational motives, such as believing the destruction of Israel fulfills devine mandate or is needed for the Mahdi’s return?

196 Dr Lizardo  Mar 11, 2015 2:24:01pm

re: #166 Nyet

BTW, if Catholics can exorcise, and Protestants can exorcise, and Orthodox can exorcise, and Muslims can exorcise, and Jews can exorcise, then which religion is the true one? /

Clearly, this one:

197 CuriousLurker  Mar 11, 2015 2:25:08pm

re: #181 klys (maker of Silmarils)

You two and your “neurosurgeon club.”

Which no one else here should try to join.

LOL, yeah—the price of admission is pretty steep.

198 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 11, 2015 2:25:08pm

re: #194 CuriousLurker

Yeah, I still haven’t figured out how they’d nuke it without killing a bunch of Muslims, potentially destroying the third holiest site in Islam, and rendering the whole area unlivable. Then there would be the reaction from other countries… seems suicidal to me.

They may be hardliners, but they want to keep the power they’ve had for the past (almost) 40 years. Worldly power is of no use to dead men.

Too much logic, not enough calls for more war. Will be ignored.

//

199 Targetpractice  Mar 11, 2015 2:26:23pm

re: #195 Targetpractice

What I meant to post there, Dark, was that attributing a “suicide bomber” mentality to the Iranian government is absolutely ridiculous. Because any form of nuclear strike on Israel would not only guarantee a nuclear response that would level much of the Iranian government, but their strike would lead to fallout that would irradiate the territory of Israel’s neighbors. And that would mean any survivors of the retaliation could expect to be subject to conventional retaliation from said neighbors. Whatever religious reasoning there might be to such a strike on Israel would be overshadowed by the existential threat to Iran that would follow said strike.

200 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 2:26:43pm

re: #186 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Plus explain why I’m going to do that, knowing what retribution is going to rain down on me. The only way Iran would use these weapons against Israel (and how exactly?) would be if Israel has already launched a nuclear attack on them.

No, you don’t understand! The Iranian Mullahs are CRAAAAAZYY!!!! They’d happily sacrifice their entire population to destroy Israel!!!

Lest you think I’m kidding, that’s damned near to a direct quote of what I was told when I tried to argue that the leaders of Iran have a country of 66 Million to govern, in addition to whatever percent of their minds is occupied by hating Israel.

201 Nyet  Mar 11, 2015 2:27:09pm

re: #193 Dark_Falcon

That assumes the decision to launch was made rationally. What about irrational motives, such as believing the destruction of Israel fulfills devine mandate or is needed for the Mahdi’s return?

Any sources you wish to cite on that?

202 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 2:28:05pm

re: #193 Dark_Falcon

That assumes the decision to launch was made rationally. What about irrational motives, such as believing the destruction of Israel fulfills devine mandate or is needed for the Mahdi’s return?

See? I wasn’t kidding.

203 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 11, 2015 2:28:09pm

I look forward to an afternoon of random derp deposited all over followed by absolutely no response to reasonable criticism. Be sure to catch the page about how wrong LGF was over the Michael Brown case.

204 wrenchwench  Mar 11, 2015 2:28:30pm

Next tweet I see:

205 Dark_Falcon  Mar 11, 2015 2:28:41pm

re: #201 Nyet

Any sources you wish to cite on that?

I was citing possibilities, not things I’m sure would be factors.

206 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 2:29:27pm

re: #201 Nyet

So DF votes for the people who want all the Jews to move to Israel to trigger the Apocalypse.

207 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 11, 2015 2:29:28pm

re: #205 Dark_Falcon

I was citing possibilities, not things I’m sure would be factors.

It’s possible aliens will land tomorrow too, and the only thing that would save us are sparkly unicorns.

Clearly we are all doomed.

208 Dark_Falcon  Mar 11, 2015 2:34:03pm

re: #206 Blind Frog Belly White

So DF votes for the people who want all the Jews to move to Israel to trigger the Apocalypse.

I haven’t ever voted for someone like that and I wouldn’t. There are some Republicans who think that way, but to ascribe the belief to the party as a whole is baloney.

209 Ace-o-aces  Mar 11, 2015 2:34:43pm

re: #200 Blind Frog Belly White

No, you don’t understand! The Iranian Mullahs are CRAAAAAZYY!!!! They’d happily sacrifice their entire population to destroy Israel!!!

Lest you think I’m kidding, that’s damned near to a direct quote of what I was told when I tried to argue that the leaders of Iran have a country of 66 Million to govern, in addition to whatever percent of their minds is occupied by hating Israel.

Even if you ignore the wingnuts and their belief that Iran will nuke Israel the second they get a bomb, a nuclear Iran does shift the balance of power in the middle east.

210 WhatEVs  Mar 11, 2015 2:34:52pm

re: #172 wrenchwench

{{{ more hugs }}}

I hope you continue to improve and are back to your old self soon!!

211 Decatur Deb  Mar 11, 2015 2:34:56pm

re: #166 Nyet

BTW, if Catholics can exorcise, and Protestants can exorcise, and Orthodox can exorcise, and Muslims can exorcise, and Jews can exorcise, then which religion is the true one? /

Animistic shamanism, which pretty much invented exorcism long before all those Johnny-Come-Latelys.

212 Floral Giraffe  Mar 11, 2015 2:35:19pm

re: #126 wrenchwench

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That is SUCH a guy thing and hysterical! Thanks

213 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 2:35:20pm

re: #208 Dark_Falcon

I haven’t ever voted for someone like that and I wouldn’t. There are some Republicans who think that way, but to ascribe the belief to the party as a whole is baloney.

Those folks run your party now.

214 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 11, 2015 2:36:11pm

re: #208 Dark_Falcon

I haven’t ever voted for someone like that and I wouldn’t. There are some Republicans who think that way, but to ascribe the belief to the party as a whole is baloney.

Or is completely in line with the actions of the majority of members in Congress?

Actions do speak louder than words and most of us don’t ignore reality just because we want our team to win.

215 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 11, 2015 2:36:23pm

im inclined to take a pro-histamine position

216 WhatEVs  Mar 11, 2015 2:36:33pm

re: #177 Dark_Falcon

I’d do hug parentheses, but I’m sick and don’t want you getting what I’ve got,

It’s ok…computer antivirus allows hugging when sick. :-)

217 Nyet  Mar 11, 2015 2:36:55pm

re: #205 Dark_Falcon

I was citing possibilities, not things I’m sure would be factors.

IOW something you made up? Not a constructive discussion.

218 Varek Raith  Mar 11, 2015 2:37:14pm

re: #193 Dark_Falcon

That assumes the decision to launch was made rationally. What about irrational motives, such as believing the destruction of Israel fulfills devine mandate or is needed for the Jesus’s return?

Think about that.

219 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 2:37:18pm

re: #209 Ace-o-aces

Even if you ignore the wingnuts and their belief that Iran will nuke Israel the second they get a bomb, a nuclear Iran does shift the balance of power in the middle east.

Indeed. But if you ascribe a suicide bomber mentality to the leaders of a country, you can’t reasonably do anything but go to war. Certainly, you can’t negotiate.

220 Targetpractice  Mar 11, 2015 2:37:32pm

re: #209 Ace-o-aces

Even if you ignore the wingnuts and their belief that Iran will nuke Israel the second they get a bomb, a nuclear Iran does shift the balance of power in the middle east.

I think that rather denies the reality that Iran is a major player in the region already. The ongoing operations against Daesh make it clear that Iran has a regional reach. Honestly, I believe much of the present opposition to a nuclear Iran has less to do with worry that it will launch nuclear attacks on the US & Israel and more to do with certainty that a nuclear Iran will be immune from “regime change.”

221 WhatEVs  Mar 11, 2015 2:37:41pm

re: #179 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Actually, according to homeopaths, it’s the “succussion” between dilutions that does the job—originally, banging it against a bible. I think they just use shaking machines nowadays—I’m sure that’s why their solutions don’t work./

Uhm. Wow.

I wasn’t just wrong. I was WTF Was I Thinking wrong. That definitely ain’t RICEing my ankles.

222 Nyet  Mar 11, 2015 2:38:35pm

re: #211 Decatur Deb

Animistic shamanism, which pretty much invented exorcism long before all those Johnny-Come-Latelys.

The thing is, they all “work”. Now, basic psychology/psychiatry explains this, of course, but I’m just interested in what people who believe in exorcism think. Is theirs “the only true one” and the rest Satanic deception?

223 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 11, 2015 2:38:43pm

is there any evidence that iran has the missile capability to deliver a warhead of any kind from iran to israel?

224 b_sharp  Mar 11, 2015 2:38:58pm

re: #205 Dark_Falcon

I was citing possibilities, not things I’m sure would be factors.

But your listed possibilities betrays the belief you have of Iranians that they are not as rational as Americans.

225 Floral Giraffe  Mar 11, 2015 2:39:18pm

re: #158 wrenchwench

I’ve had hundreds of people tell me that they prayed for me, but I still credit my survival to the neurosurgeon, and the nursery school teacher who gave me CPR (who also told me she prayed for me), and the helicopter transport and all the well trained emergency personnel who cared for me, They are lousy at cutting hair, though. Finally had a professional fix it today.

Haircuts are good for the soul !

226 Dark_Falcon  Mar 11, 2015 2:40:22pm

Police swarm the Miami Beach home of rapper Lil Wayne after hoax call from a man saying he had shot four people inside

Miami police received a call at 12.40pm Wednesday from a man saying he had shot four people inside the rapper’s home
Lil Wayne was not at the $9.4 million home at the time
House was surrounded but given the all-clear about 3pm
Police responded to the same house on Saturday amid reports of a lurker

SWATting is a rotten thing to do and Mr. Carter (Lil Wayne) was lucky he wasn’t home at the time. Cops on a SWAT callout are a real risk for a black man with dreadlocks who dresses in ‘street’ fashion. Regardless of his fame, he’d have been knocked down and cuffed at a minimum,

227 Floral Giraffe  Mar 11, 2015 2:41:07pm

re: #172 wrenchwench

And looks HAWT in her new hair do.

228 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 11, 2015 2:41:13pm

how great is the distance from exorcism to psychoanalysis?

229 Decatur Deb  Mar 11, 2015 2:41:42pm

re: #222 Nyet

The thing is, they all “work”. Now, basic psychology/psychiatry explains this, of course, but I’m just interested in what people who believe in exorcism think. Is theirs “the only true one” and the rest Satanic deception?

Each has the only truth, rejecting all others. That’s known in theological terms as a “circle-anathema”.

230 Dark_Falcon  Mar 11, 2015 2:41:48pm

re: #218 Varek Raith

Think about that.

I already have, that’s why I brought it up. Iran is run by theocrats, and part of the topic of this thread is the havoc theocrats can wreck in their delusions.

231 wrenchwench  Mar 11, 2015 2:41:54pm

re: #215 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

im inclined to take a pro-histamine position

232 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 2:42:25pm

re: #226 Dark_Falcon

Police swarm the Miami Beach home of rapper Lil Wayne after hoax call from a man saying he had shot four people inside

SWATting is a rotten thing to do and Mr. Carter (Lil Wayne) was lucky he wasn’t home at the time. Cops on a SWAT callout are a real risk for a black man with dreadlocks who dresses in ‘street’ fashion. Regardless of his fame, he’d have been knocked down and cuffed at a minimum,

And we’d have been treated to “Live as a thug, die as a thug”.

233 Great White Snark  Mar 11, 2015 2:42:48pm

re: #166 Nyet

BTW, if Catholics can exorcise, and Protestants can exorcise, and Orthodox can exorcise, and Muslims can exorcise, and Jews can exorcise, then which religion is the true one? /

I totally got this other vibe from your comment…

“Richard Simmons Excercise”

234 b_sharp  Mar 11, 2015 2:43:39pm

re: #208 Dark_Falcon

I haven’t ever voted for someone like that and I wouldn’t. There are some Republicans who think that way, but to ascribe the belief to the party as a whole is baloney.

My friend, you have a dark belief system when it comes to other peoples. I would like to see you come out of that place and realize most people are like us. That belief doesn’t stop us from taking steps to protect ourselves nor does it keep us from realizing there are dangerous irrational people in the world. It does, however, let us peak out from under our blanket and see better possibilities.

235 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 2:44:14pm

re: #166 Nyet

BTW, if Catholics can exorcise, and Protestants can exorcise, and Orthodox can exorcise, and Muslims can exorcise, and Jews can exorcise, then which religion is the true one? /

Ooooo! Oooooo! I know this one!! Call on me!!!
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236 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 2:44:17pm

re: #124 BlueGrl21

One of the very first episodes of Cops (“bad boy, bad boy, whatcha gonna do when they come for you”) was in Miami.
To this day, I remember a domestic violence call and this beautiful little girl, probably not even 5 years old, walking out of the apartment following the police officer and, clutching a doll in her arms and with tears in her eyes, asking the officer is she really had to leave and could she go with her.
I wanted to drive straight down to Miami and gather up that child.

237 wrenchwench  Mar 11, 2015 2:44:23pm

re: #225 Floral Giraffe

Haircuts are good for the soul !

I think my soul is hairless. My head seems good, though.

238 b_sharp  Mar 11, 2015 2:44:47pm

re: #228 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

how great is the distance from exorcism to psychoanalysis?

Sometimes a penis is just a penis.

239 Decatur Deb  Mar 11, 2015 2:44:57pm

re: #235 Blind Frog Belly White

Ooooo! Oooooo! I know this one!! Call on me!!!
//////

Siddown, Horshack.

240 Dark_Falcon  Mar 11, 2015 2:46:09pm

re: #232 Blind Frog Belly White

And we’d have been treated to “Live as a thug, die as a thug”.

I know. It’s deeply sick but some people still have a serious hate for black people.

241 Decatur Deb  Mar 11, 2015 2:46:33pm

re: #228 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

how great is the distance from exorcism to psychoanalysis?

Afreud you won’t like the answer.

242 Dark_Falcon  Mar 11, 2015 2:46:59pm

re: #239 Decatur Deb

Siddown, Horshack.

A Welcome Back, Kotter reference. Oldie but a goodie.

243 The War TARDIS  Mar 11, 2015 2:47:32pm

Stupid question, but how do you level up tech in EUIV?

244 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 2:47:54pm

re: #240 Dark_Falcon

I know. It’s deeply sick but some people still have a serious hate for black people.

But blacks are the REAL racists.

245 wrenchwench  Mar 11, 2015 2:48:18pm
246 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 2:49:18pm

re: #228 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

how great is the distance from exorcism to psychoanalysis?

Exorcism: “The Devil made me do it!”

Psychoanalysis: “My Mother made me do it!”
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247 makeitstop  Mar 11, 2015 2:49:46pm

re: #208 Dark_Falcon

I haven’t ever voted for someone like that and I wouldn’t. There are some Republicans who think that way, but to ascribe the belief to the party as a whole is baloney.

Sure, Dark.

Look at this site. Every day - every single day - we see a different Republican saying something nuts, introducing ridiculous legislation, undermining foreign policy, insulting a twice-elected president.

The evidence points more to your whole party being that crazy than it points to any of them being the least bit sane.

248 Dark_Falcon  Mar 11, 2015 2:49:55pm

re: #244 Blind Frog Belly White

But blacks are the REAL racists.

It’s true that’s what UpChuck thinks.

249 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 2:51:29pm

re: #143 Iwouldprefernotto

Kind of what I used to do with hand soap and shampoo. When it runs out I keep adding water. It’s magic. (Until you get female visitors and they think you’re an idiot).

250 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 2:52:19pm

re: #248 Dark_Falcon

It’s true that’s what UpChuck thinks.

Reading him trying to define his white supremacist positions as not white supremacy reminds me of the line from the MST3K “This Island Earth” episode:

“I’m just going to ram my ovipositor down your throat and lay my eggs in your chest, but I’m not an alien!”

251 Decatur Deb  Mar 11, 2015 2:52:50pm

re: #249 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Mine says “Soap”.

252 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 2:53:40pm

re: #249 Backwoods_Sleuth

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At least half the men’s pie chart should be ‘because that’s what my wife bought me’.

253 #FergusonFireside  Mar 11, 2015 2:54:11pm

washingtonpost.com

Secret Service agents investigated for late-night car accident at White House

254 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 2:54:52pm

re: #155 WhatEVs

Honey is supposed to be good for allergies, too (eating it, not applying it liberally to various body parts).

I wish I liked honey. My allergies are pretty bad.

Honey from local beekeepers is soooo not anything like that thick sugar syrup labeled as honey you buy at the store.
And locally produced honey is what you need for allergies.

255 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 2:55:27pm

re: #253 #FergusonFireside

washingtonpost.com

It was probably that Vette that Biden was in in the Correspondents Dinner video.

256 Dark_Falcon  Mar 11, 2015 2:55:40pm

re: #252 Blind Frog Belly White

At least half the men’s pie chart should be ‘because that’s what my wife bought me’.

And add 2-3% for ‘dandruff control’.

And for the women’s chart, don’t forget the key option for any survey:

Option 13: Rand Paul.

257 Dr Lizardo  Mar 11, 2015 2:55:55pm

re: #254 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lucky me; there’s a beekeeper about a 5-minute walk from me, across the street.

258 wrenchwench  Mar 11, 2015 2:57:15pm

This is in Canada. They should do it in the US too.

259 Kragar  Mar 11, 2015 2:57:23pm

re: #249 Backwoods_Sleuth

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My wife and kids use those little crubby poofy things and have shampoo, conditioner, and body wash, which they use up weekly.

I have a heavy scrub brush and a single bottle of hair/body wash which lasts me about 2-3 months at a stretch.

260 #FergusonFireside  Mar 11, 2015 2:57:49pm

re: #255 Blind Frog Belly White

It was probably that Vette that Biden was in in the Correspondents Dinner video.

haha, this is the tweet that took me to WaPo

261 Dr Lizardo  Mar 11, 2015 2:58:48pm

And with that, goodnight, Lizards.

262 Dark_Falcon  Mar 11, 2015 2:58:48pm

re: #255 Blind Frog Belly White

It was probably that Vette that Biden was in in the Correspondents Dinner video.

Given the Secret Service’s parade of recent gaffes, I’m more inclined to believe that the accident involved a poorly-maintained clown car. And I’m glad the car crashed late at night, because if it had been a daytime crash it would have been a tragedy:

Those clown cars are used to transport the Democratic congressional leadership to the White House.

/Hurr, hurr, hurr.

263 CuriousLurker  Mar 11, 2015 3:00:01pm

re: #208 Dark_Falcon

I haven’t ever voted for someone like that and I wouldn’t. There are some Republicans who think that way, but to ascribe the belief to the party as a whole is baloney.

It’s equally as incorrect for you to presume that the powers that be in the IRI would want to trigger an apocalypse. The concept of Yawm al-Qiyāmah (Judgement Day) isn’t the same in Islam as it is in Christianity, thought there are similarities.

As for the Mahdi, he’s supposed to return with Jesus and assist in filling the world with justice. There will be signs, fighting, suffering, etc. and some people will follow al-Masih ad-Dajjal (false messiah, antichrist), etc. before the actual Yawm al-Qiyāmah

Anyway, the Sunni & Shia perspective on the Mahdi differ. I’ve never paid much attention to all that, but I seriously doubt Iran would attack Israel to try to trigger something. Many of the a hard-liners, but they’re not crazy in the same way that… I dunno, Michele Bachman (or whoever) is.

264 Nyet  Mar 11, 2015 3:00:18pm

re: #260 #FergusonFireside

Holmabeerandwhachzis.

265 goddamnedfrank  Mar 11, 2015 3:01:10pm

re: #173 Dark_Falcon

Israel is so small that it would only take a small number of 10-20 kiloton nukes to pose an existential threat.

Iran would have to get them there first. Little Boy type weapons are heavy. I don’t think Iran has any military aircraft or missiles that could get one off the ground.

266 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 11, 2015 3:02:24pm

re: #193 Dark_Falcon

That assumes the decision to launch was made rationally. What about irrational motives, such as believing the destruction of Israel fulfills devine mandate or is needed for the Mahdi’s return?

Oh, please. You’re buying into the right-wing crap about Iran that’s been peddled nonstop since the hotage crisis. In te real world, their actions for the last 35 years come off as a lot more rational than anyone else in the region, including our buddies™ Israel and Pakistan.

267 BlueGrl21  Mar 11, 2015 3:02:44pm

re: #236 Backwoods_Sleuth

To this day, I remember a domestic violence call and this beautiful little girl, probably not even 5 years old, walking out of the apartment following the police officer and, clutching a doll in her arms and with tears in her eyes, asking the officer is she really had to leave and could she go with her.
I wanted to drive straight down to Miami and gather up that child.

That’s the other thing that killed me. They took away their toys, one of which may have been the one stable thing those girls had to hold onto…a doll, a stuffed animal…those are critical for a hurt child. There’s a reason one of the first things we do is give a traumatized child a doll or a stuffed animal.

Working with these children is both gut-wrenching and beautiful. My other work is counseling hospice patients and their families. This is tough, core of life stuff but I have always considered it a gift to be able to do this work. I get a lot more from them than I give. All I can hope to provide is some safety and security and freedom from fear, and a lot of love and compassion. It’s what all of us need. It’s just a lot easier to give to people when they’re not angry, hurt, terrified, or abusive. I can’t help them all but I can help a lot of them.

268 EPR-radar  Mar 11, 2015 3:03:22pm

re: #208 Dark_Falcon

I haven’t ever voted for someone like that and I wouldn’t. There are some Republicans who think that way, but to ascribe the belief to the party as a whole is baloney.

It should be noted that the US Republican party simply has to be included on any short list of the major threats to world peace.

269 TedStriker  Mar 11, 2015 3:03:23pm

re: #71 Mattand

The one problem with that is that homeopathy never works. The only thing it’s good for is wasting time before the patient seeks actual help.

Prime example: Steve Jobs

270 Amory Blaine  Mar 11, 2015 3:03:32pm

That’s why I’m not religious. Too much exorcise.

271 Targetpractice  Mar 11, 2015 3:03:35pm

re: #265 goddamnedfrank

Iran would have to get them there first. Little Boy type weapons are heavy. I don’t think Iran has any military aircraft or missiles that could get one off the ground.

Not to mention dangerous as hell. As in if the Enola Gay had crashed, odds are the bomb would have detonated.

272 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 11, 2015 3:04:13pm

re: #83 Jenner7

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Gee…let…me…think….

Quick, think of the N-Word!

Now, think of the C-Word!

Is it “Cracker”?

QED

273 Dark_Falcon  Mar 11, 2015 3:04:22pm

re: #268 EPR-radar

OK, things just got too nutty for me.

BBL

274 CuriousLurker  Mar 11, 2015 3:04:23pm

re: #251 Decatur Deb

Mine says “Soap”.

LOL—this. My dad always just washed his hair with soap.

275 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 11, 2015 3:05:12pm

re: #268 EPR-radar

It should be noted that the US Republican party simply has to be included on any short list of the major threats to world peace.

The truth apparently hurts.

276 Kragar  Mar 11, 2015 3:05:49pm

re: #272 The Mother Of All Pies

CNN Panel Debates ‘N-Word vs. Cracker: Which Is Worse?

You know that word that you have to call “The N-Word”?

That is the worse one.

277 Nyet  Mar 11, 2015 3:06:29pm

re: #268 EPR-radar

It should be noted that the US Republican party simply has to be included on any short list of the major threats to world peace.

Iraq war.
Albeit the Dems joined, to their eternal shame. But who were the cheerleaders?

278 Decatur Deb  Mar 11, 2015 3:07:09pm

re: #274 CuriousLurker

LOL—this. My dad always just washed his hair with soap.

Growing up, there was soap..then shaving cream. There was Old Spice aftershave, but only for the effete sophisticates. We’re talkn’ Pittsburgh, here.

279 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 11, 2015 3:07:25pm

re: #277 Nyet

Iraq war.
Albeit the Dems joined, to their eternal shame. But who were the cheerleaders?

Or this week’s letter, led by a Senator who has stated he would not be satisfied with anything less than “regime change” in Iran.

Or the invitation for Bibi’s speech, and the wild applause it received.

280 Justanotherhuman  Mar 11, 2015 3:07:38pm

re: #259 Kragar

Am I the only person who doesn’t use those things? I use shampoo, but still use Yardley soap and a washcloth which is superior to a pouf, IMHO. Will give up my English Lavender soap when they pry it from my dead, cold fingers. And since our water pressure in the bathroom sucks, even with a huge shower head, I still take baths. Seems safer. : )

281 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 11, 2015 3:07:43pm

re: #276 Kragar


CNN Panel Debates ‘N-Word vs. Cracker: Which Is Worse?

You know that word that you can to call “The N-Word”?

That is the worse one.

Yes, I remember when crackers were enslaved, persecuted and lynched… all over Northern Ireland in the 17th century.

/

282 CuriousLurker  Mar 11, 2015 3:09:22pm

re: #278 Decatur Deb

Growing up, there was soap..then shaving cream. There was Old Spice aftershave, but only for the effete sophisticates. We’re talkn’ Pittsburgh, here.

Yes, Old Spice… and Aqua Velva! OMG, I can smell them.

283 EPR-radar  Mar 11, 2015 3:09:26pm

re: #273 Dark_Falcon

OK, things just got too nutty for me.

BBL

This is too funny. Apparently you haven’t realized yet that a controlling majority of the GOP would seriously consider starting a war of choice for no better reason than to piss off liberals.

284 Justanotherhuman  Mar 11, 2015 3:10:10pm

re: #281 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Hey, loved the series, “Cracker”. Robbie Coltrane was great.

285 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 11, 2015 3:10:30pm

re: #276 Kragar


CNN Panel Debates ‘N-Word vs. Cracker: Which Is Worse?

You know that word that you have to call “The N-Word”?

That is the worse one.

i’ll believe in “reverse” racism when somebody can tell me a bunch of jokes disparaging white people as a “race”

286 Justanotherhuman  Mar 11, 2015 3:10:38pm

re: #282 CuriousLurker

English Leather. Owwwwww!

287 wrenchwench  Mar 11, 2015 3:10:51pm

re: #280 Justanotherhuman

Am I the only person who doesn’t use those things? I use shampoo, but still use Yardley soap and a washcloth which is superior to a pouf, IMHO. Will give up my English Lavender soap when they pry it from my dead, cold fingers. And since our water pressure in the bathroom sucks, even with a huge shower head, I still take baths. Seems safer. : )

I haven’t graduated to showers yet in my recovery, too unsteady on my feet. Baths are definitely safer.

288 CuriousLurker  Mar 11, 2015 3:10:53pm

UPS guy is here. BBL

289 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 11, 2015 3:11:28pm

re: #285 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i’ll believe in “reverse” racism when somebody can tell me a bunch of jokes disparaging white people as a “race”

How do white people do it doggie style?
-She rolls over and plays dead, he sits up and begs!

290 Amory Blaine  Mar 11, 2015 3:12:15pm

re: #274 CuriousLurker

My wife put a stop to that shortly after we moved in together. On a side note, I’m about 2” away from the locks of love minimum and I don’t think I’m going to make it. She HATES my long hair as it’s a hybrid of Arnold Horshack, Albert Einstein and Dr. Cornell West. I’m living on borrowed time.

291 Decatur Deb  Mar 11, 2015 3:12:17pm

re: #286 Justanotherhuman

English Leather. Owwwwww!

Guy might as well wear a wedding dress into a Homestead bar.

292 Kragar  Mar 11, 2015 3:14:09pm
293 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 11, 2015 3:14:29pm

re: #276 Kragar


CNN Panel Debates ‘N-Word vs. Cracker: Which Is Worse?

You know that word that you have to call “The N-Word”?

That is the worse one.

The C-Word is pretty bad too. But of course, it’s not “Cracker”

294 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 11, 2015 3:15:14pm

I got my pain meds refilled, yayy! The Great Schedule II Opiod Shortage is over!

295 wrenchwench  Mar 11, 2015 3:16:57pm

re: #290 Amory Blaine

My wife put a stop to that shortly after we moved in together. On a side note, I’m about 2” away from the locks of love minimum and I don’t think I’m going to make it. She HATES my long hair as it’s a hybrid of Arnold Horshack, Albert Einstein and Dr. Cornell West. I’m living on borrowed time.

It will take me four years to grow my hair back to the length where strangers would feel OK about informing me of Locks of Love. I still have some cut-off braids. I’m keeping them! Only emergency personnel can make my hair decisions for me.

296 Justanotherhuman  Mar 11, 2015 3:17:21pm

re: #290 Amory Blaine

My grandson wears his curly hair all over the place. It’s not that long yet, but he could go head to head with Cornell West, although his tends to be ringlets (even had “barrel” ringlets the other day). He usually stuffs it under a baseball cap.

297 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 11, 2015 3:17:48pm

re: #295 wrenchwench

It will take me four years to grow my hair back to the length where strangers would feel OK about informing me of Locks of Love. I still have some cut-off braids. I’m keeping them! Only emergency personnel can make my hair decisions for me.

The shortest I am allowed to have my hair is past shoulder-length.

Or else he cuts his and I has a sad.

It is mutually assured hair destruction.

298 Kragar  Mar 11, 2015 3:17:50pm
299 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 3:18:40pm

re: #298 Kragar

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What no ACA repeal?

300 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 3:19:25pm

So we’re talking hair. Women of LGF, facial hair, yay or nay.

301 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 11, 2015 3:19:51pm

re: #300 HappyWarrior

So we’re talking hair. Women of LGF, facial hair, yay or nay.

I am strongly nay, but the only person this really matters for is mr. klys.

302 Decatur Deb  Mar 11, 2015 3:20:07pm

re: #294 The Mother Of All Pies

I got my pain meds refilled, yayy! The Great Schedule II Opiod Shortage is over!

…

303 Justanotherhuman  Mar 11, 2015 3:20:17pm

re: #300 HappyWarrior

Either. Unless the beard is a scraggly mess. : )

304 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 3:20:23pm

re: #292 Kragar

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Awww isn’t that adorable, a member of the leadership of the party from the Bush years is trying to act like he actually gives or knows a thing or two about fiscal restraint.

305 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 11, 2015 3:20:51pm

re: #274 CuriousLurker

LOL—this. My dad always just washed his hair with soap.

I’m the opposite—I use the shampoo lather from my head all over. Seems to be much less allergenic than bath soap. And Coast ought to be classified as a chemical weapon!

306 Targetpractice  Mar 11, 2015 3:21:14pm

re: #292 Kragar

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Not to mention if the goal is to do away with our long-term debt, a balanced budget is ridiculous. All a balanced budget would do is pass the interest payments on said debt, much like how paying the interest payments on your credit card debt doesn’t do anything to wipe it out.

But since running a surplus is treated in conservative dogma as “government taking more than it needs,” then you’re never going to pay down the national debt. Just keep kicking the can down the road. Sure, you’re not adding to it, but it’s not going away either.

307 Amory Blaine  Mar 11, 2015 3:21:20pm

2 Horshack references in one thread?!?

…

308 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 3:21:25pm

re: #301 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I am strongly nay, but the only person this really matters for is mr. klys.

Right but if you were single, you’d be more partial to a clean shaved dude. I’ve gone through both phases. Currently clean.

309 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 3:22:06pm

re: #303 Justanotherhuman

Either. Unless the beard is a scraggly mess. : )

Yeah that seems a constant tom most women I talk to, if you’re going to have the beard, have it clean and organized.

310 sagehen  Mar 11, 2015 3:22:12pm

re: #300 HappyWarrior

So we’re talking hair. Women of LGF, facial hair, yay or nay.

Depends how soft it is.

We can tolerate ugly beards or mustaches if it feels nice enough; we hate good-looking beards and mustaches if they scratch.

(oh, you meant growing out of my own face? Nay. Wax is my friend.)

311 wrenchwench  Mar 11, 2015 3:22:27pm

re: #297 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The shortest I am allowed to have my hair is past shoulder-length.

Or else he cuts his and I has a sad.

It is mutually assured hair destruction.

I told a couple of people, ‘It was the Intensive Care Unit, not the ‘Intensive Hair Unit.’

312 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 11, 2015 3:23:01pm

re: #311 wrenchwench

I told a couple of people, ‘It was the Intensive Care Unit, not the ‘Intensive Hair Unit.’

Sneaky CL had it easy, since hers hides all the time anyway.

313 Justanotherhuman  Mar 11, 2015 3:23:10pm

re: #310 sagehen

Nothing like having to go to work with “beard burn”. : )

314 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 3:23:13pm

re: #208 Dark_Falcon

It’s the team you support winning no matter what.
Own it.

315 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 3:23:27pm

re: #310 sagehen

Depends how soft it is.

We can tolerate ugly beards or mustaches if it feels nice enough; we hate good-looking beards and mustaches if they scratch.

(oh, you meant growing out of my own face? Nay. Wax is my friend.)

Hahaha. See I come from a bearded father and my Mom hates when he’s clean shaved yet she expects my brothers and I to be clean shaved. She claims it’s because we have stronger chins than him and that we don’t have to hide weak chins with beards.

316 wrenchwench  Mar 11, 2015 3:23:50pm

re: #300 HappyWarrior

So we’re talking hair. Women of LGF, facial hair, yay or nay.

I prefer it on the men.

317 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 3:24:51pm

re: #230 Dark_Falcon

I already have, that’s why I brought it up. Iran is run by theocrats, and part of the topic of this thread is the havoc theocrats can wreck in their delusions.

The rah rah team you support now, no matter what.

318 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 3:24:54pm

re: #316 wrenchwench

I prefer it on the men.

Hahaha. Well played.

319 Targetpractice  Mar 11, 2015 3:25:46pm

Seriously, if the GOP wants to hold to this “household budget” malarky, then their talk about the need for a balanced budget makes even less sense. What person looks at their personal debt and thinks “The way to deal with this is to balance my household budget so that what I make can cover the interest payments and nothing else”?

320 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 11, 2015 3:26:13pm

re: #315 HappyWarrior

Hahaha. See I come from a bearded father and my Mom hates when he’s clean shaved yet she expects my brothers and I to be clean shaved. She claims it’s because we have stronger chins than him and that we don’t have to hide weak chins with beards.

When my dad shaved off his mustache without telling my mom he was going to do it beforehand, she was not amused.

I at least noticed the fastest out of the kids. Took me about five minutes.

321 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 3:26:30pm

re: #262 Dark_Falcon

Given the Secret Service’s parade of recent gaffes, I’m more inclined to believe that the accident involved a poorly-maintained clown car. And I’m glad the car crashed late at night, because if it had been a daytime crash it would have been a tragedy:

Those clown cars are used to transport the Democratic congressional leadership to the White House.

/Hurr, hurr, hurr.

Because the GOP Congressional Leadership won’t even GO to the White House?

322 calochortus  Mar 11, 2015 3:26:34pm

re: #300 HappyWarrior

So we’re talking hair. Women of LGF, facial hair, yay or nay.

Depends on the guy. Mr. Calochortus has a mustache. He shaved it off right after we were married because my mother asked what he’d look like without it. Having established that, he grew it back and has had it ever since.
As long as the facial hair is clean and well groomed, it’s fine with me.

323 Amory Blaine  Mar 11, 2015 3:26:41pm

I grow beards in the winter then shave in the spring. I’m a super hairy dude. Not quite Robin Williams, but close.

324 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 3:26:48pm

re: #317 Backwoods_Sleuth

The rah rah team you support now, no matter what.

I’m running low on patience with him when it comes to his rah rah for his party too since he keeps on insisting that guys like Graham, McConnell, and Illinois’s own Kirk are really reasonable guy who just have to act this way to satisfy a loony base. So basically it seems to me that he admits that a large part of his base is loony and furthermore has no problem with elected officials in his party groveling to them for support. It’s sad. Unconditional love should be saved for only your children and sports team of choice not a political entity that is involved in decisions that impact the rest of our lives.

325 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 3:27:40pm

re: #320 klys (maker of Silmarils)

When my dad shaved off his mustache without telling my mom he was going to do it beforehand, she was not amused.

I at least noticed the fastest out of the kids. Took me about five minutes.

Whenever I shave my beard when I have one, I don’t say a word to anyone. I just wait for the reactions.

326 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 11, 2015 3:28:15pm

re: #302 Decatur Deb

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Video

WTF??

327 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 3:28:24pm

re: #323 Amory Blaine

I grow beards in the winter then shave in the spring. I’m a super hairy dude. Not quite Robin Williams, but close.

I had been growing a winter beard but I had a really important job interview come up and shaving it was the best possible decision.

328 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 11, 2015 3:28:38pm

The downside to long hair is it is heavy. And sometimes hot.

329 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 3:29:01pm

re: #256 Dark_Falcon

And add 2-3% for ‘dandruff control’.

And for the women’s chart, don’t forget the key option for any survey:

Option 13: Rand Paul.

LOL WHUT????

330 calochortus  Mar 11, 2015 3:29:20pm

re: #328 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The downside to long hair is it is heavy. And sometimes hot.

But as you age it tends to get thinner. Problem solved…

331 Decatur Deb  Mar 11, 2015 3:30:35pm

re: #326 The Mother Of All Pies

WTF??

Party. Time.

332 EPR-radar  Mar 11, 2015 3:30:37pm

re: #324 HappyWarrior

I’m running low on patience with him when it comes to his rah rah for his party too since he keeps on insisting that guys like Graham, McConnell, and Illinois’s own Kirk are really reasonable guy who just have to act this way to satisfy a loony base. So basically it seems to me that he admits that a large part of his base is loony and furthermore has no problem with elected officials in his party groveling to them for support. It’s sad. Unconditional love should be saved for only your children and sports team of choice not a political entity that is involved in decisions that impact the rest of our lives.

Mark Kirk signed that stupid letter from the Senate Republicans to Iran.

I’d love to see a justification of that bit of idiocy by a (supposedly) relatively sane and moderate GOP elected official.

333 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 3:30:57pm

Speaking of jobs, as some of you know I interviewed with DOJ. Found out today that my resume was sent to a hiring manager so it’s looking good.

334 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 11, 2015 3:31:30pm

re: #331 Decatur Deb

Party. Time.

Most Psychotic Animated Rip-Off of Famous Film, Ever

335 Decatur Deb  Mar 11, 2015 3:32:19pm

re: #333 HappyWarrior

Speaking of jobs, as some of you know I interviewed with DOJ. Found out today that my resume was sent to a hiring manager so it’s looking good.

Fed hiring can be a surprisingly long process—delay is not significant.

336 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 3:32:19pm

re: #273 Dark_Falcon

OK, things just got too nutty for me.

BBL

It only got nutty for you now???
Cotton’s letter to Iran wasn’t nutty enough for you?

337 Justanotherhuman  Mar 11, 2015 3:32:41pm

If you’re a fairly hairless, blonde, pale person, as I am, women, at least, will find that getting rid of hair is no longer a chore as you get old. There’s so little I don’t even bother. And I still have lots of hair on my head. Go figure. : )

338 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 3:32:41pm

re: #332 EPR-radar

Mark Kirk signed that stupid letter from the Senate Republicans to Iran.

I’d love to see a justification of that bit of idiocy by a (supposedly) relatively sane and moderate GOP elected official.

I wouldn’t hold my breath. I really like DF as a guy but I really think he’s in denial about what his party is. Maybe he’s got a close family member that’s an important party bigwig, I don’t know but I just wonder what the hell it will take for him to realize. I mean him being a lifelong conservative and Republican really is no excuse. Many of you all unlike myself are former conservatives and Republicans who have realized the party stinks.

339 Justanotherhuman  Mar 11, 2015 3:33:07pm

re: #333 HappyWarrior

Fingers crossed! Rooting for you. : )

340 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 3:33:23pm

re: #335 Decatur Deb

Fed hiring can be a surprisingly long process—delay is not significant.

I know but I’m Schedule A eligible too. A little bit of a wait isn’t terrible too since I have my class for the next 9 weeks also.

341 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 3:33:55pm

re: #282 CuriousLurker

Yes, Old Spice… and Aqua Velva! OMG, I can smell them.

Brut!!!

yech…the smell of that is so strong you can taste it.

342 Lidane  Mar 11, 2015 3:34:09pm

It’s a wingnut trifecta of stupid:

343 Decatur Deb  Mar 11, 2015 3:36:03pm

re: #334 The Mother Of All Pies

Most Psychotic Animated Rip-Off of Famous Film, Ever

Shit—thought it was An American Tale.

344 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 3:36:03pm

re: #342 Lidane

It’s a wingnut trifecta of stupid:

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I didn’t think Christians believed in reincarnation.

345 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 3:36:05pm

re: #342 Lidane

It’s a wingnut trifecta of stupid:

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And he also took the last donut at the office meeting too the bastard! But all mocking this nutjob aside, there really is something deeply wrong with these people. Okay, one thing to disagree with Obama but Wiles is spouting all sorts of crazy shit. And I thought Christians didn’t believe in reincarnation.

346 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 3:36:05pm

re: #300 HappyWarrior

So we’re talking hair. Women of LGF, facial hair, yay or nay.

Yay.
Only because MrBWS has a horrific moonface when he doesn’t have a beard.

347 Lidane  Mar 11, 2015 3:36:11pm

re: #282 CuriousLurker

re: #341 Backwoods_Sleuth

Brut!!!

yech…the smell of that is so strong you can taste it.

Yes, Old Spice… and Aqua Velva! OMG, I can smell them.

Needs moar Hai Karate.

348 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 3:36:46pm

re: #334 The Mother Of All Pies

Most Psychotic Animated Rip-Off of Famous Film, Ever

Believe it or not, there’s an even worse Titanic rip off than that one.

349 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 11, 2015 3:37:45pm

re: #328 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The downside to long hair is it is heavy. And sometimes hot.

my point of view on this (and i state it with hesitation since i was mightily flamed last time i mentioned it) is that many men find long hair on women to have a lot of sex appeal, and women who keep it short for convenience might be missing out on the added effect of the longer hair style

350 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 3:38:21pm

re: #343 Decatur Deb

Shit—thought it was An American Tale.

Nah American Tale was actually somewhat accurate though I don’t think the Russian government employed cats in their pogroms. I’ve actually seen that one since the Animated Titanic thing was at one point IMDB’s worst movie of all time.

351 TedStriker  Mar 11, 2015 3:39:16pm

re: #239 Decatur Deb

Siddown, Horshack.

Up your nose with a rubber hose!

///

352 CuriousLurker  Mar 11, 2015 3:39:16pm

re: #300 HappyWarrior

So we’re talking hair. Women of LGF, facial hair, yay or nay.

I’m with BWS—yay, as long as it’s kept neat & trimmed.

353 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 11, 2015 3:39:36pm

re: #349 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

I wear it long because I like it long, but there are downsides.

I believe (and I expect you do too) that women should wear their hair however they like.

354 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 3:39:46pm

re: #320 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Back around 1980, I walked into the bathroom and found a strange man lounging in the tub and I screamed.
It was my first husband (RIP) and he had shave off all of his facial hair as “a surprise!”
I told him in no uncertain terms…grow it back!

355 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 11, 2015 3:40:05pm

re: #354 Backwoods_Sleuth

Back around 1980, I walked into the bathroom and found a strange man lounging in the tub and I screamed.
It was my first husband (RIP) and he had shave off all of his facial hair as “a surprise!”
I told him in no uncertain terms…grow it back!

That is the best story ever.

356 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 3:40:40pm

I used to have a beard, which I had from the time I was 24, with only one beardless period, which lasted only as long as the package of razor cartridges. My kids had never seen me without.

The color started out dark red/auburn, but got greyer and eventually mostly white. I finally got tired of my beard looking older than my hair, and making ME look old, so I shaved it off. I told Mrs. FBW, but not the little FBWs.

When I’d finished, I walked out into the living room and said Hi to the Older Boy. He stared at me, speechless, for about 30 seconds, completely boggled.

My own reaction was, “Holy shit, was my face always so ROUND?”

357 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 3:40:53pm

Women should wear their hair however long or short they want it of course but I’m more partial to a woman with long hair since long hair looks more feminine and as a man attracted to women, well self-explanatory. It doesn’t have to be super long and some women do that flapper look really cutely.

358 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 11, 2015 3:41:16pm

re: #356 Blind Frog Belly White

I used to have a beard, which I had from the time I was 24, with only one beardless period, which lasted only as long as the package of razor cartridges. My kids had never seen me without.

The color started out dark red/auburn, but got greyer and eventually mostly white. I finally got tired of my beard looking older than my hair, and making ME look old, so I shaved it off. I told Mrs. FBW, but not the little FBWs.

When I’d finished, I walked out into the living room and said Hi to the Older Boy. He stared at me, speechless, for about 30 seconds, completely boggled.

My own reaction was, “Holy shit, was my face always so ROUND?”

That would be why the mustache went away.

359 Decatur Deb  Mar 11, 2015 3:42:08pm

re: #352 CuriousLurker

I’m with BWS—yay, as long as it’s kept neat & trimmed.

We had to wear NBC masks occasionally—no hair to break the seal. A friend who did maintain a beard for years finally got a trip to Johnston Island to check on demil. He showed up shaved—looked like a turtle out of its shell.

360 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 11, 2015 3:42:23pm

re: #353 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I wear it long because I like it long, but there are downsides.

I believe (and I expect you do too) that women should wear their hair however they like.

well of course everybody should wear their hair the way they like but for me personally i do groom myself with a lot of thought as to whether the result will please those who i should like to please

361 Floral Giraffe  Mar 11, 2015 3:42:27pm

re: #300 HappyWarrior

So we’re talking hair. Women of LGF, facial hair, yay or nay.

I’m of they yeah, but it must be groomed! None of the zz top unkempt ness!

362 gwangung  Mar 11, 2015 3:42:37pm

re: #357 HappyWarrior

Women should wear their hair however long or short they want it of course but I’m more partial to a woman with long hair since long hair looks more feminine and as a man attracted to women, well self-explanatory. It doesn’t have to be super long and some women do that flapper look really cutely.

Hm. I’ve found that some women can REALLY rock the short hair; others are kinda “meh” to me. So I guess what my rule is whatever way makes them feel hotter.

363 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 11, 2015 3:43:55pm

re: #362 gwangung

Hm. I’ve found that some women can REALLY rock the short hair; others are kinda “meh” to me. So I guess what my rule is whatever way makes them feel hotter.

Women tend to show it when they are confident in how they look.

At least that’s what I’m told.

As long as mr. klys likes it and I like it, I am happy.

364 Justanotherhuman  Mar 11, 2015 3:43:59pm

re: #349 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Heh. I wear my hair short to suit myself. Wash, dry and go. : ) Since it’s heavy and wavy, it’s a PITA to take care of when long. And long hair on women my age can be very unflattering.

365 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 3:44:25pm

re: #362 gwangung

Hm. I’ve found that some women can REALLY rock the short hair; others are kinda “meh” to me. So I guess what my rule is whatever way makes them feel hotter.

True, every individual woman’s different of course.

366 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 3:47:32pm

re: #338 HappyWarrior

I wouldn’t hold my breath. I really like DF as a guy but I really think he’s in denial about what his party is. Maybe he’s got a close family member that’s an important party bigwig, I don’t know but I just wonder what the hell it will take for him to realize. I mean him being a lifelong conservative and Republican really is no excuse. Many of you all unlike myself are former conservatives and Republicans who have realized the party stinks.

Last week, D_F congratulated me for pointing out Illinois Congressional District 4 as one of the worst gerrymandered districts in the country.
He congratulated because, despite all the many times that I have mentioned here that I am a Republican, he thought I was a Dem calling out Dems for gerrymander abuse.
Apparently D_F believes that being a Republican automatically equates with being a wingnut extreme right conservative, as we see happening today.
For the record, there are some of us who remain Republicans because we still want to have a voice at the polls in states (like mine) where local elections have serious consequences at the primary election level.

367 EPR-radar  Mar 11, 2015 3:48:07pm

re: #338 HappyWarrior

I wouldn’t hold my breath. I really like DF as a guy but I really think he’s in denial about what his party is. Maybe he’s got a close family member that’s an important party bigwig, I don’t know but I just wonder what the hell it will take for him to realize. I mean him being a lifelong conservative and Republican really is no excuse. Many of you all unlike myself are former conservatives and Republicans who have realized the party stinks.

For my part, I never really identified as a conservative (the so-con part was always a total non-starter for me), but I was definitely a gettable vote for the GOP (e.g., W Bush in 2000).

Not any more.

368 Justanotherhuman  Mar 11, 2015 3:48:34pm

Leave my fucking Medicare alone, damn it.

House Republicans plan votes on budget, Medicare this month, according to memo from Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy’s, R-Calif., office obtained by @thehill; no mention of abortion restrictions, border security, No Child Left Behind
read more on thehill.com

369 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 3:49:07pm

I dated a woman with long hair who’d had REALLY long hair - like, down to the back of her knees long! She braided it up and had about a foot and a half cut off. She kept the cut-off braid. I asked to see it, so she dug it out and handed it to me.

I don’t know why, but it TOTALLY creeped me out! I couldn’t give it back to her fast enough!

370 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 3:49:52pm

re: #367 EPR-radar

For my part, I never really identified as a conservative (the so-con part was always a total non-starter for me), but I was definitely a gettable vote for the GOP (e.g., W Bush in 2000).

Not any more.

See, I’ve been a liberal for as long back as I can remember. Comes with my upbringing so in a way I understand his attachment but at the same time, I’m also someone who values principle over party and ideology.

371 EPR-radar  Mar 11, 2015 3:51:20pm

re: #370 HappyWarrior

See, I’ve been a liberal for as long back as I can remember. Comes with my upbringing so in a way I understand his attachment but at the same time, I’m also someone who values principle over party and ideology.

It probably helps that US liberalism hasn’t changed nearly as much as US conservatism has in the past 50 years.

372 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 3:51:44pm

re: #355 klys (maker of Silmarils)

That is the best story ever.

We went to my amateur radio club meeting that night and not a single person knew who he was.
People were whispering and looking askance.
It actually was worth it just for all the obvious unasked questions floating around the room.
:D

373 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 11, 2015 3:52:10pm

re: #300 HappyWarrior

So we’re talking hair. Women of LGF, facial hair, yay or nay.

My wifes tastes have changed over the years. Used to be clean shaven all the way, now she loves my beard. That’s good, because I love my beard too. :D

374 Justanotherhuman  Mar 11, 2015 3:52:40pm

Secret Service confirms ‘allegations of misconduct’ involving 2 employees at White House on March 4 - statement
end of alert

375 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 3:52:50pm

I used to think of myself as moderate, till I realized it was because I was allowing the Right to define Liberalism as ‘What Berkeleyites Believe’, and I didn’t want to upset anyone. It was the same way with calling myself atheist - I called myself agnostic for years to avoid seeming extreme, then I realized it was a cop out.

376 sagehen  Mar 11, 2015 3:53:46pm

re: #319 Targetpractice

Seriously, if the GOP wants to hold to this “household budget” malarky, then their talk about the need for a balanced budget makes even less sense. What person looks at their personal debt and thinks “The way to deal with this is to balance my household budget so that what I make can cover the interest payments and nothing else”?

No mortgage, save up to buy a house. No student loans, if you don’t have cash on hand the kids can wait tables until they’ve put aside enough for 4 years tuition. No business loans.

And god forbid “increasing revenue” should ever be an option.

377 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 11, 2015 3:53:48pm

re: #371 EPR-radar

It probably helps that US liberalism hasn’t changed nearly as much as US conservatism has in the past 50 years.

it’s still just about ordinary people getting a fair shake - no novel theories, think tanks, radio spiels, radical philosophies, or insurgent movements of angry people

378 Justanotherhuman  Mar 11, 2015 3:53:54pm

re: #375 Blind Frog Belly White

I think a lot of us went through that. It’s called “maturing”. : )

379 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 3:54:03pm

re: #366 Backwoods_Sleuth

Last week, D_F congratulated me for pointing out Illinois Congressional District 4 as one of the worst gerrymandered districts in the country.
He congratulated because, despite all the many times that I have mentioned here that I am a Republican, he thought I was a Dem calling out Dems for gerrymander abuse.
Apparently D_F believes that being a Republican automatically equates with being a wingnut extreme right conservative, as we see happening today.
For the record, there are some of us who remain Republicans because we still want to have a voice at the polls in states (like mine) where local elections have serious consequences at the primary election level.

I actually didn’t know you were one but I really think part of what gives him rose colored glasses is strange as it may seem is the fact he lives in a pretty blue area of a quite blue state. He just assumes because Illinois Republicans like Kirk and the new governor there may not be wingnutty like Bachmann that they’re not part of the problem but as we saw Kirk did sign that letter and some of the Illinois folks pointed out that governor suffers from the same crap mindset on economics that most GOPers do. I really don’t want to bash the guy but I really really wish he’d realize that this isn’t his father’s GOP anymore and that frankly the Democratic party resembles a center right party more than the GOP does. I understand people who stay registered. I’m technically an independent given the open registration here in Va though I almost exclusively vote in Dem primaries in part since the GOP will have conventions often here to decide candidates which by the way is why Va’s then Lt Governor opted not to run against Cuccinneli since he’d be toast at such a convention which favors the nutty wing more. Plus I think he really does see the GOP like a favorite sports team and that’s a really immature way to approach policy.

380 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 3:55:27pm

re: #373 Eclectic Cyborg

My wifes tastes have changed over the years. Used to be clean shaven all the way, now she loves my beard. That’s good, because I love my beard too. :D

Mrs. FBW will accept either beard or clean shaven, but ONLY those two. All or nothing, none of this ‘couple days growth’ nonsense. She objects to the prickly face after about 20 hours since the last shave.

381 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 3:55:27pm

re: #371 EPR-radar

It probably helps that US liberalism hasn’t changed nearly as much as US conservatism has in the past 50 years.

Yeah my ideology is close to what my father and grandfather’s is and was. Probably some tweeks here and there but our basic set of principles is the same. With conservatives, you got Barry Goldwater going from being among the most conservative in the party a half century ago to someone who was a liberal at the time of his death and I imagine if he were still alive now would either call himself an independent or even a Democrat.

382 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 11, 2015 3:55:49pm

re: #274 CuriousLurker

LOL—this. My dad always just washed his hair with soap.

I’m the opposite—I use the shampoo lather from my head all over. Seems to be much less allergenic than bath soap. And Coast ought to be classified as a chemical weapon!re: #359 Decatur Deb

We had to wear NBC masks occasionally—no hair to break the seal. A friend who did maintain a beard for years finally got a trip to Johnston Island to check on demil. He showed up shaved—looked like a turtle out of its shell.

Little known fact—the infamous “Hitler mustache” was originally an “RAF officer’s mustache”—they had to have facial hair because of course they did, but it couldn’t interfere with the sealing of an oxygen mask.

When Hitler adopted it, they had to change, so they went with those long handlebar thingies that could be stuffed inside an oxygen mask.

383 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 11, 2015 3:56:19pm

re: #375 Blind Frog Belly White

I used to think of myself as moderate, till I realized it was because I was allowing the Right to define Liberalism as ‘What Berkeleyites Believe’, and I didn’t want to upset anyone. It was the same way with calling myself atheist - I called myself agnostic for years to avoid seeming extreme, then I realized it was a cop out.

well i live right next to berkeley and i wonder what it is that people think “berkeleyites” believe

carefully sorting your garbage is good for the community?
whole foods is a gourmet supermarket for rich people but shopping there is fun?

384 b_sharp  Mar 11, 2015 3:56:41pm

re: #328 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The downside to long hair is it is heavy. And sometimes hot.

And when you’re on a creeper under a car fixing the shifter it gets run over and tangled in the casters.

385 Floral Giraffe  Mar 11, 2015 3:57:01pm

re: #380 Blind Frog Belly White

Beard burn is not her friend!

386 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 11, 2015 3:57:35pm

re: #384 b_sharp

And when you’re on a creeper under a car fixing the shifter it gets run over and tangled in the casters.

Or the husband manages to lay on it during the night and you have to wake him up so you can roll over because otherwise ow?

387 Jay C  Mar 11, 2015 3:58:37pm

re: #7 Mattand

The most powerful nation on the planet is the one that has lawmakers who think demonic possession is actually real, which then leads to child abuse.

If I weren’t American, I’d be scared shitless of this country.

I AM American, and I’m scared shitless of this country sometimes…..

388 CuriousLurker  Mar 11, 2015 3:58:43pm

re: #364 Justanotherhuman

Heh. I wear my hair short to suit myself. Wash, dry and go. : ) Since it’s heavy and wavy, it’s a PITA to take care of when long. And long hair on women my age can be very unflattering.

I had let my hair grow back after they shaved it all off for surgery, but about six months ago I got tired of the upkeep and hacked it all back off again (it looks about like this, except dark brown with plenty of gray these days).

My head is always covered when I go out, so there’s no such thing as a bad hair day. There’s no one at home to see me but the cats (and my son when he comes to visit), so I figure why fuss with it?

389 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 3:58:52pm

re: #382 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’m the opposite—I use the shampoo lather from my head all over. Seems to be much less allergenic than bath soap. And Coast ought to be classified as a chemical weapon!

Little known fact—the infamous “Hitler mustache” was originally a”RAF officer’s mustache”—they had to have facial hair because of course they did, but it couldn’t interfere with the sealing of an oxygen mask.

When Hitler adopted it, they had to change, so they went with those long handlebar thingies that could be stuffed inside an oxygen mask.

It’s my understanding that the gas is why Hitler himself adopted it. Not totally sure. Most of the WWI photos I have seen of Hitler are with a more traditional mustache but those could have from before the first gas attacks which I believe happened in 1915.

390 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 3:59:42pm

re: #379 HappyWarrior

Before I moved back home to Kentucky 20 years ago, I lived in Will County, Illinois, for almost 20 years. Very much a Republican stronghold county, like much of Illinois outside of Cook County.
It was incestuous. My first husband was a precinct committeeman, I was the township planning and zoning chair (both no pay), but when it came time appointments/nominations to actual paid political positions/offices, if your family hadn’t been there and breeding since the 1800s, forget it.
Especially if you were a Democrat as well.

391 Justanotherhuman  Mar 11, 2015 4:00:29pm

re: #388 CuriousLurker

Oh, like!

392 b_sharp  Mar 11, 2015 4:00:39pm

re: #386 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Or the husband manages to lay on it during the night and you have to wake him up so you can roll over because otherwise ow?

Never had that happen to me.

Got it caught in car doors, house doors, my own arm while I slept, and because it was curly, it was always getting tangled.

I’m just sad I don’t have enough hair now to grow it long again.

393 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 11, 2015 4:02:16pm

re: #388 CuriousLurker

I had let my hair grow back after they shaved it all off for surgery, but about six months ago I got tired of the upkeep and hacked it all back off again (it looks about like this, except dark brown with plenty of gray these days).

My head is always covered when I go out, so there’s no such thing as a bad hair day. There’s no one at home to see me but the cats (and my son when he comes to visit), so I figure why fuss with it?

I wear it up a lot these days. Or braided.

I had someone once ask me why I didn’t wear it like I had it for the wedding all the time. Hahahahaha.

394 b_sharp  Mar 11, 2015 4:02:18pm

re: #387 Jay C

I AM American, and I’m scared shitless of this country sometimes…..

As a Canadian I’m not afraid of the US, but I can see how other countries are and should be given all the times the US has interfered with other governments. I am afraid of the RWNJ attitude trying to come up here though.

395 blueraven  Mar 11, 2015 4:02:42pm

Mayor of Ferguson is giving a press conference right now on resignation of Police Chief. CNN

396 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 4:03:12pm

re: #390 Backwoods_Sleuth

Before I moved back home to Kentucky 20 years ago, I lived in Will County, Illinois, for almost 20 years. Very much a Republican stronghold county, like much of Illinois outside of Cook County.
It was incestuous. My first husband was a precinct committeeman, I was the township planning and zoning chair (both no pay), but when it came time appointments/nominations to actual paid political positions/offices, if your family hadn’t been there and breeding since the 1800s, forget it.
Especially if you were a Democrat as well.

I expect that’s common in smaller and more homogeneous counties. I’m only a second generation Virginian on both sides. Transplants are really common in Northern Virginia politics. In fact until just this year, our two Democrats in Congress were both Irish-American Catholics from the Boston area. Some of us used to joke about how Jim Moran was the closest thing NoVa had to Teddy Kennedy since he had both the thick accent and the fondness for drink.

397 Justanotherhuman  Mar 11, 2015 4:03:32pm

In other words, we’ll keep digging that hole…

Ferguson, Mo., Mayor James Knowles says Police Chief Tom Jackson, city agreed to mutual separation; says city is ‘committed to keeping our police department’
end of alert

398 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 4:04:08pm

re: #394 b_sharp

As a Canadian I’m not afraid of the US, but I can see how other countries are and should be given all the times the US has interfered with other governments. I am afraid of the RWNJ attitude trying to come up here though.

I have to say sharp, I always do appreciate your perspective as an outsider looking in.

399 b_sharp  Mar 11, 2015 4:04:30pm

re: #388 CuriousLurker

I had let my hair grow back after they shaved it all off for surgery, but about six months ago I got tired of the upkeep and hacked it all back off again (it looks about like this, except dark brown with plenty of gray these days).

My head is always covered when I go out, so there’s no such thing as a bad hair day. There’s no one at home to see me but the cats (and my son when he comes to visit), so I figure why fuss with it?

I’m always sad when V cuts her hair short. It’s halfway down her back now and that’s the way I like it. Even at 61 she has little gray in it & she refuses to colour it which is fine by me.

400 Justanotherhuman  Mar 11, 2015 4:05:35pm

Ka-ching!

Ferguson, Mo., Mayor James Knowles: Police Chief Tom Jackson’s severance pay will be ‘roughly $100,000’ - @LauraKHettiger
see original on twitter.com

Retirement and health care, too?

401 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 11, 2015 4:06:25pm

re: #400 Justanotherhuman

Ka-ching!

Ferguson, Mo., Mayor James Knowles: Police Chief Tom Jackson’s severance pay will be ‘roughly $100,000’ - @LauraKHettiger
see original on twitter.com

Retirement and health care, too?

That money should be going to the Brown family.

402 Justanotherhuman  Mar 11, 2015 4:07:10pm

re: #401 Eclectic Cyborg

Evidently, they plan to empty the City coffers before the suit is filed…

403 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 4:07:45pm

re: #400 Justanotherhuman

Ka-ching!

Ferguson, Mo., Mayor James Knowles: Police Chief Tom Jackson’s severance pay will be ‘roughly $100,000’ - @LauraKHettiger
see original on twitter.com

Retirement and health care, too?

Must be fucking nice.

404 CuriousLurker  Mar 11, 2015 4:08:33pm

re: #399 b_sharp

I’m always sad when V cuts her hair short. It’s halfway down her back now and that’s the way I like it. Even at 61 she has little gray in it & she refuses to colour it which is fine by me.

I suppose if I had a husband that didn’t want me to cut it, I’d most likely leave it, but the tangles are a PITA (they can turn into dreadlocks in no time flat).

I don’t mind the gray, I figure I earned it—it didn’t come cheap. ;-)

405 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 4:09:22pm

re: #404 CuriousLurker

I suppose if I had a husband that didn’t want me to cut it, I’d most likely leave it, but the tangles are a PITA (they can turn into dreadlocks in no time flat).

I don’t mind the gray, I figure I earned it—it didn’t come cheap. ;-)

I feel that way about my scars.

406 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 11, 2015 4:10:29pm

re: #389 HappyWarrior

It’s my understanding that the gas is why Hitler himself adopted it. Not totally sure. Most of the WWI photos I have seen of Hitler are with a more traditional mustache but those could have from before the first gas attacks which I believe happened in 1915.

I don’t think I’ve seen any pictures of him with the under-nose-only mustache till the ’20s, but who knows at this late date. I had always read that he was a great admirer of the British Empire and that’s why he aped a lot of their fashions—I mean, jodhpurs?

407 Nyet  Mar 11, 2015 4:12:18pm

llh is such a douche.

408 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 4:13:05pm

re: #406 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I don’t think I’ve seen any pictures of him with the under-nose-only mustache till the ’20s, but who knows at this late date. I had always read that he was a great admirer of the British Empire and that’s why he aped a lot of their fashions—I mean, jodhpurs?

Interesting. I always wondered how Chaplin felt about Hitler stealing his iconic stache. Had to have been annoying because Charlie Chaplin is unrecognizable without it.

409 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 11, 2015 4:15:51pm

re: #408 HappyWarrior

Interesting. I always wondered how Chaplin felt about Hitler stealing his iconic stache. Had to have been annoying because Charlie Chaplin is unrecognizable without it.

well chaplin did take advantage of the fact in his film ‘the great dictator’

410 Targetpractice  Mar 11, 2015 4:15:56pm

re: #400 Justanotherhuman

Ka-ching!

Ferguson, Mo., Mayor James Knowles: Police Chief Tom Jackson’s severance pay will be ‘roughly $100,000’ - @LauraKHettiger
see original on twitter.com

Retirement and health care, too?

Most likely. Six figure “severance pay” plus full benefits. Probably more than most of those further down the ladder will end up getting.

411 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 4:16:54pm

re: #409 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

well chaplin did take advantage of the fact in his film ‘the great dictator’Embedded Image

I still need to see TGD. But I am of course familiar with it, that was just brilliant on Charlie’s part. Shame that he later got blacklisted during the second red scare.

412 b_sharp  Mar 11, 2015 4:18:50pm

Now for a little frustrated venting. Nothing serious or political though so reading it won’t trigger or satisfy your need for political catharsis.

I connected to my server this morning hoping to put together some invoices for my customers. About a minute in, the connection locked up, which sometimes happens when the server has been on for a few months. I initiated a reconfigure and reboot in an attempt to make sure there were no loose ends from the last update and waited until it rebooted and finished initializing.

I couldn’t log on with either the administrator account or root. Even logging on through ssh failed. No amount of pissing around with different access methods helped and even SMB refused the connection.

I finally figured out how to get in and reset the root password, but I still can’t use SMB to connect my Windows system to the server.

I’m a bit pissed at Linux right now.

413 Nyet  Mar 11, 2015 4:19:32pm

…

414 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 4:21:22pm

Buenos noches, mein fueher.

415 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 4:22:16pm

re: #413 Nyet

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Video

What movie is that from, Sergey?

416 Nyet  Mar 11, 2015 4:22:32pm

re: #415 HappyWarrior

Idiocracy.

417 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 4:23:17pm

re: #416 Nyet

Idiocracy.

Ahhh, I still need to see that.

418 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 4:23:57pm

re: #383 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

well i live right next to berkeley and i wonder what it is that people think “berkeleyites” believe

carefully sorting your garbage is good for the community?
whole foods is a gourmet supermarket for rich people but shopping there is fun?

I live right across the Bay, myself. My experience has been that Berkeley is the left of even San Francisco.

419 Nyet  Mar 11, 2015 4:24:12pm

re: #417 HappyWarrior

Ahhh, I still need to see that.

It’s not that great, and the genetic idea behind it is not scientific, but it’s worth seeing once and has a few good moments.

420 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 4:24:33pm

For the little girl who loves legos and the law, I present you the women of the Supreme Court in lego form.
mentalfloss.com

421 Justanotherhuman  Mar 11, 2015 4:25:36pm

re: #417 HappyWarrior

You can be an eyewitness in some places already. : )

422 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 11, 2015 4:25:59pm

re: #416 Nyet

Idiocracy.

Any movie with my favorite redhead as Attorney General Funbags is OK by me:

423 blueraven  Mar 11, 2015 4:26:24pm

Ted Cruz Without Applause is the Most Gripping Video You’ll See All Day

…

Cruz gave union firefighters the same applause lines that worked at CPAC. They… did not work for the firefighters.

…

424 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 4:27:14pm

re: #419 Nyet

It’s not that great, and the genetic idea behind it is not scientific, but it’s worth seeing once and has a few good moments.

Sure but i’ve been a Mike Judge fan since the Beavis and Butthead days.

425 b_sharp  Mar 11, 2015 4:27:43pm

WrenchWench, the more I learn about what happened to you, the more upset I get with how close we came to losing you.

Don’t do that again.

The new rule around here is I die first.

Got it?

426 Kragar  Mar 11, 2015 4:28:21pm

re: #416 Nyet

Idiocracy.

Fictional Presidents We Could Use Right Now

President Camacho. Former pro wrestler turned porn star turned president. He dresses in American flag pants, he addresses the nation by dancing, singing, and firing a gun into the air and rallying them with his aggressively patriotic (if completely empty) rhetoric. He’s energetic, likable, and absolutely captivating.

427 Varek Raith  Mar 11, 2015 4:28:33pm

No.
No one is allowed to die.

428 Nyet  Mar 11, 2015 4:28:34pm

re: #423 blueraven

Ha-ha! ©

429 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 4:29:22pm

re: #423 blueraven

Ted Cruz Without Applause is the Most Gripping Video You’ll See All Day

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Couldn’t happen to a better dick.

430 Nyet  Mar 11, 2015 4:29:42pm

re: #427 Varek Raith

No.
No one is allowed to die.

Okay.

431 Nyet  Mar 11, 2015 4:30:25pm

re: #424 HappyWarrior

Sure but i’ve been a Mike Judge fan since the Beavis and Butthead days.

Too bad he’s Alex Jones’ pal…

432 b_sharp  Mar 11, 2015 4:30:28pm

re: #427 Varek Raith

No.
No one is allowed to die.

I wish.

433 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 4:30:46pm

re: #431 Nyet

Too bad he’s Alex Jones’ pal…

Really? Damn that’s too bad.

434 EPR-radar  Mar 11, 2015 4:30:56pm

re: #417 HappyWarrior

Ahhh, I still need to see that.

Preferably before it airs as a documentary about contemporary affairs.

435 Nyet  Mar 11, 2015 4:31:58pm

re: #433 HappyWarrior

…

436 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 4:33:05pm

re: #435 Nyet

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Disappointing. Oh well.

437 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 11, 2015 4:33:30pm

re: #418 Blind Frog Belly White

I live right across the Bay, myself. My experience has been that Berkeley is the left of even San Francisco.

perhaps, but i still wonder what it is that people think “berkeleyites believe”

berkeley is populated by uc students, professors, many rather wealthy people who tend to live in the hills, street people hitting you up for spare change, wheelchair bound people attracted by all the flat terrain, and people like me who used to consider themselves hippies but are now professionals with mortgages and (not myself on this last point) kids

no actual communists to speak of

438 Justanotherhuman  Mar 11, 2015 4:34:01pm

Why don’t they just abolish these infantile fraternities?

Virginia’s Washington and Lee University suspends Phi Kappa Psi fraternity for 3 years after member uses Taser on pledge, college officials say - @NBCNews
read more on nbcnews.com

439 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 4:34:21pm

re: #424 HappyWarrior

Sure but i’ve been a Mike Judge fan since the Beavis and Butthead days.

Attorney General: Brawndo’s got what plants crave.

Secretary of Energy: Yeah, it’s got electrolytes.

Joe: What are electrolytes? Do you even know?

Secretary of State: It’s what they use to make Brawndo.

Joe: Yeah, but why do they use them to make Brawndo?

Secretary of Defense: ‘Cause Brawndo’s got electrolytes.

440 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 4:35:32pm

re: #438 Justanotherhuman

Why don’t they just abolish these infantile fraternities?

Virginia’s Washington and Lee University suspends Phi Kappa Psi fraternity for 3 years after member uses Taser on pledge, college officials say - @NBCNews
read more on nbcnews.com

Look at the biographies of lawmakers and you’ll have your answer. Frat bro here, there, and everywhere.

441 Nyet  Mar 11, 2015 4:35:57pm

re: #436 HappyWarrior

Disappointing. Oh well.

Of course Jones is a part of idiocracy, and so is Judge now.

442 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 4:36:36pm

re: #437 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

perhaps, but i still wonder what it is that people think “berkeleyites believe”

berkeley is populated by uc students, professors, many rather wealthy people who tend to live in the hills, street people hitting you up for spare change, wheelchair bound people attracted by all the flat terrain, and people like me who used to consider themselves hippies but are now professionals with mortgages and (not myself on this last point) kids

no actual communists to speak of

Even the most lefty person I went to school with wasn’t an actual honest to God communist. And he was pretty left wing. Of course, to the right anyone to the left of Ronald Reagan is a Marxist.

443 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 4:37:42pm

re: #442 HappyWarrior

Even the most lefty person I went to school with wasn’t an actual honest to God communist. And he was pretty left wing. Of course, to the right anyone to the left of Ronald Reagan is a Marxist.

The ACTUAL Reagan himself would be a Marxist to them. It’s only Zombie Reagan who’s ideologically pure enough.

444 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Mar 11, 2015 4:37:55pm

re: #276 Kragar


CNN Panel Debates ‘N-Word vs. Cracker: Which Is Worse?

You know that word that you have to call “The N-Word”?

That is the worse one.

Think of the potential for confusion for the word we are going to be hearing so much more of: “The C-Word.”

445 Nyet  Mar 11, 2015 4:39:24pm

re: #443 Blind Frog Belly White

The ACTUAL Reagan himself would be a Marxist to them. It’s only Zombie Reagan who’s ideologically pure enough.

They will overlook this because he supported right-wing killing squads. That’s literally red meat for them.

446 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 4:39:56pm

re: #276 Kragar


CNN Panel Debates ‘N-Word vs. Cracker: Which Is Worse?

You know that word that you have to call “The N-Word”?

That is the worse one.

N-word: What the white guy calls the guy he’s beating.

Cracker: What the guy being beaten dare not call the guy beating him.

So, which is worse to be called?

447 Floral Giraffe  Mar 11, 2015 4:41:24pm

re: #425 b_sharp

WrenchWench, the more I learn about what happened to you, the more upset I get with how close we came to losing you.

Don’t do that again.

The new rule around here is I die first.

Got it?

No one gets to make that kind of rule. We are ALL required to stay alive and protest the insanity!!!!

448 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 4:41:35pm

re: #446 Blind Frog Belly White

N-word: What the white guy calls the guy he’s beating.

Cracker: What the guy being beaten dare not call the guy beating him.

So, which is worse to be called?

Pretty much. It’s all about the historical context of the word.

449 WhatEVs  Mar 11, 2015 4:41:40pm

re: #368 Justanotherhuman

Leave my fucking Medicare alone, damn it.

House Republicans plan votes on budget, Medicare this month, according to memo from Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy’s, R-Calif., office obtained by @thehill; no mention of abortion restrictions, border security, No Child Left Behind
read more on thehill.com

I doubt Medicare and Social Security are safe ever. The GOP wants to dismantle all safety net programs.

450 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 4:41:52pm

re: #445 Nyet

They will overlook this because he supported right-wing killing squads. That’s literally red meat for them.

That and he TALKED like he was as crazy as they are. He didn’t quite govern that way.

451 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 4:42:45pm

re: #450 Blind Frog Belly White

That and he TALKED like he was as crazy as they are. He didn’t quite govern that way.

What they forget when they say they want to be the next him is that RR to his credit had an optimistic demeanor. These guys are about as optimistic as dead puppies on the evening news.

452 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 4:43:38pm

re: #425 b_sharp

WrenchWench, the more I learn about what happened to you, the more upset I get with how close we came to losing you.

Don’t do that again.

The new rule around here is I die first.

Got it?

So, if any of us gets really, really, at-death’s-door sick, we’re to give you a call so you can get there first?
/////

453 b_sharp  Mar 11, 2015 4:44:28pm

re: #452 Blind Frog Belly White

So, if any of us gets really, really, at-death’s-door sick, we’re to give you a call so you can get there first?
/////

Please.

454 Justanotherhuman  Mar 11, 2015 4:44:36pm

They ought to be ashamed, cont.

Catholic Church Claims It Can Refuse To Pay Victims Of Sex Abuse Because Of Religious Freedom

thinkprogress.org

455 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 4:48:01pm

re: #423 blueraven

LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!

As a retired firefighter/EMT i haz a happy.

456 Kid A  Mar 11, 2015 4:51:15pm
457 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 4:51:30pm

re: #454 Justanotherhuman

They ought to be ashamed, cont.

Catholic Church Claims It Can Refuse To Pay Victims Of Sex Abuse Because Of Religious Freedom

thinkprogress.org

And this is why I grow more and more anti clerical with age. Tax the bastards.

458 No Country For Old Haters  Mar 11, 2015 4:52:12pm

re: #454 Justanotherhuman

They ought to be ashamed, cont.

Catholic Church Claims It Can Refuse To Pay Victims Of Sex Abuse Because Of Religious Freedom

thinkprogress.org

The church should have disbanded over the child-rape and cover-ups. Failing that, they should be doing more than required to help their victims, no matter what the cost to their unforgivable organization. It’s said to be what their leader Jesus would do.

459 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 4:52:23pm

re: #456 Kid A

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Threatened? If by threatened she means amused by a political stunt. I mean I could describe myself as a former potential woman too and it would illustrate the same point Strickland’s trying to make.

460 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 4:52:25pm

re: #453 b_sharp

Please.

This makes me think of my own family. My Dad was the firstborn of his parent’s 3 kids. His brother died a couple years ago, and his sister died just back in January. Last In, First Out. He’s still in good health for 96, though some might argue that simply not being dead is pretty good health for 96! He’s had to say good bye to Mom, and his siblings, which can’t be easy.

My generation are all still around, but my oldest brother turns 70 this year, and my older brother had an MI about 7 years ago. I realize at some point I’ll start getting the phone calls, though with luck it will be years from now.

Whoa, now wasn’t THAT a downer! Sorry ‘bout that.

461 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 4:53:23pm

re: #456 Kid A

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Here’s a clue, Holly - you don’t roll your eyes at things that threaten you.

462 No Country For Old Haters  Mar 11, 2015 4:53:29pm

re: #456 Kid A

463 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 4:53:46pm

So there was a story I read today about Tom Cotton, the dick behind the 47 letter telling an uninsured constituent not to take ACA because “Russian mobsters” would take it or some crap like that. Yeah nice party this is.

464 Varek Raith  Mar 11, 2015 4:54:12pm

re: #453 b_sharp

Please.

Would you object if I used your skeleton for my undead army???

465 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 11, 2015 4:55:00pm

re: #458 No Country For Old Haters

The church should have disbanded over the child-rape and cover-ups. Failing that, they should be doing more than required to help their victims, no matter what the cost to their unforgivable organization. It’s said to be what their leader Jesus would do.

Disbanded? Hell, they rewarded the Nazi who organized the cover-up with the tiara!

466 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 4:55:26pm

re: #464 Varek Raith

Would you object if I used your skeleton for my undead army???

“SALLY F…

“SALLY F…

“sally forth.”

467 b_sharp  Mar 11, 2015 4:55:43pm

re: #460 Blind Frog Belly White

This makes me think of my own family. My Dad was the firstborn of his parent’s 3 kids. His brother died a couple years ago, and his sister died just back in January. Last In, First Out. He’s still in good health for 96, though some might argue that simply not being dead is pretty good health for 96! He’s had to say good bye to Mom, and his siblings, which can’t be easy.

My generation are all still around, but my oldest brother turns 70 this year, and my older brother had an MI about 7 years ago. I realize at some point I’ll start getting the phone calls, though with luck it will be years from now.

Whoa, now wasn’t THAT a downer! Sorry ‘bout that.

I’ve had my mother and a younger brother die. My dad has had cancer and is 83 so I’ll be getting that call soon.

There are just times when I fear the pain of losing someone more than I fear death, which isn’t very much.

468 b_sharp  Mar 11, 2015 4:56:34pm

re: #464 Varek Raith

Would you object if I used your skeleton for my undead army???

No, actually that would be good.

It might be nice to feel useful after death.

469 Kragar  Mar 11, 2015 4:57:01pm

re: #454 Justanotherhuman

They ought to be ashamed, cont.

Catholic Church Claims It Can Refuse To Pay Victims Of Sex Abuse Because Of Religious Freedom

thinkprogress.org

Tax the fuck out of them.

470 lawhawk  Mar 11, 2015 4:57:02pm

re: #151 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Iran’s fear of Israel is warranted considering that Israel has taken out Iraq and Syrian nuclear facilities. Distance, however, means Israel’s capabilities to do so is remote, if not physically impossible. Add to that the way Iran has spread out its nuclear facilities so as to keep a single strike from taking out their capabilities.

That Iran seems to want to obtain a small number of gun type weapons may be not only to deter Israel, but rather to offset Saudi and the Gulf States’ advantages (numerical and military given that the Iranians are constrained by sanctions that don’t stop the Sunni regional powers).

471 lawhawk  Mar 11, 2015 4:59:11pm

re: #462 No Country For Old Haters

He’s a former sperm too, but he’s not exactly proud of that.

Or former star stuff.

472 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 4:59:15pm

listverse.com
I thought I knew my history pretty well but there were things in this that I didn’t know about. The church’s involvement in recent genocides is a disturbing bit that no one talks about.

473 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 11, 2015 4:59:53pm

*FACE PALM*

Hey dipshits, “First Amendment” just means they won’t be arrested and thrown in jail for singing a racist ditty.

However “First Amendment” does not mean consequence-free speech.

474 b_sharp  Mar 11, 2015 5:01:21pm

re: #471 lawhawk

He’s a former sperm too, but he’s not exactly proud of that.

Or former star stuff.

In between the two he was former molecules in other things, people, animals,plants,etc.

475 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 5:01:48pm

re: #473 The Mother Of All Pies

*FACE PALM*

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Hey dipshits, “First Amendment” just means they won’t be arrested and thrown in jail for singing a racist ditty.

However “First Amendment” does not mean consequence-free speech.

Well especially because they were singing about how they’d never let a “n-word” in their frat. So no it’s not free speech and you’re right, free speech only protects you from being imprisoned, it doesn’t mean you can say racist crap without suffering consequences.

476 Kragar  Mar 11, 2015 5:02:17pm
477 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 5:02:20pm

re: #474 b_sharp

In between the two he was former molecules in other things, people, animals,plants,etc.

So you mean at one point he was a former molecule in a Muslim. Great, he’s a crypto-molecule Muslim!

478 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 11, 2015 5:02:44pm

“Mommy, The Mustache of Understanding is being a dick again!”

479 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 5:03:09pm

I heard that a top recruit turned down a scholarship offer from OU in the wake of the SAE frat incident. I can’t blame the kid at all.

480 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 5:03:14pm

re: #476 Kragar

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“Mean Squirrels” wasn’t my first thought.

481 jaunte  Mar 11, 2015 5:03:37pm

re: #463 HappyWarrior

So there was a story I read today about Tom Cotton, the dick behind the 47 letter telling an uninsured constituent not to take ACA because “Russian mobsters” would take it or some crap like that. Yeah nice party this is.

Tom Cotton told uninsured voter not to use Obamacare because ‘Russian mobsters’ would steal her identity

“…Rather than telling her that she has an obligation for her own health to seek insurance, Cotton goaded her on, telling her that he himself wouldn’t use the exchange website because “Russian mobsters” may steal his identity.”

What a dick.

482 EPR-radar  Mar 11, 2015 5:04:14pm

re: #473 The Mother Of All Pies

This would be a no-brainer if the university were a private school (i.e., the first amendment would be completely irrelevant). Since OU is a state school, there may be a real first amendment issue with expelling the students. IMO, the first amendment should not provide protection from expulsion in a case like this.

483 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 11, 2015 5:04:40pm

re: #376 sagehen

No mortgage, save up to buy a house. No student loans, if you don’t have cash on hand the kids can wait tables until they’ve put aside enough for 4 years tuition. No business loans.

And god forbid “increasing revenue” should ever be an option.

484 b.d.  Mar 11, 2015 5:06:14pm

For the record, an oldie but a goodie:

485 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 5:07:06pm

re: #481 jaunte

Tom Cotton told uninsured voter not to use Obamacare because ‘Russian mobsters’ would steal her identity

What a dick.

Yep and this is one of the new guard too. The new Republicans in Congress and the Senate are frankly just as if not more vicious than the old guard. I keep on hearing that young Republicans are more sane than the older counterparts but guys like Cotton, Gardner, Cruz, Rubio, Ernst, and countless others are actually more vicious than the old guard and the old guard is plenty bad as is.

486 jaunte  Mar 11, 2015 5:07:13pm

What, think things through first before acting?

487 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 5:07:30pm

re: #484 b.d.

For the record, an oldie but a goodie:

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Thank you Ellen.

488 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 5:08:02pm

re: #486 jaunte

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What, think things through first before acting?

Wait Senate Republicans actually think?

489 b_sharp  Mar 11, 2015 5:08:15pm

Ah, I’m just Debbie downer tonight.

Forgive me scaly ones.

490 Nyet  Mar 11, 2015 5:09:12pm

I’m reading this interesting article by Clemens Heni:

clemensheni. net/2013/01/10/right-wing-and-left-wing-trojan-horsestrojanische-pferde-von-links-und-rechts/

“Right-wing and left-wing Trojan Horses

Troubling tendencies in the pro-Israel and anti-Islamism tent and among scholars in the field of research on antisemitism

By Dr. Clemens Heni, Director, The Berlin International Center for the Study of Antisemitism (BICSA)”

Now, Heni isn’t what I would call a reasonable guy. He uses a machete where one must use a scalpel. E.g. he sees antisemites under every bed, all forms of anti-Zionism - however mild - are antisemitic according to him. So is the German President Joachim Gauck, the famous Talmudic scholar Daniel Boyarin, etc., etc.. In 2008 he urged all liberals to vote for McCain because Obama was not trusted to handle Iran seriously (“Finally, courage would mean thinking dialectically: voting Republican because they are the only ones who are taking the regime in Tehran, which aims to kill Jews, seriously and are warning of a ‘second Holocaust’”). He has regularly denied the existence of Islamophobia and attacked a respect historian and researcher of antisemitism, Wolfgang Benz, for comparing Islamophobia and antisemitism.

IOW, all what we would expect from a flaming wingnut.

So I was surprised to find this article. Apparently he still has enough common sense to see the connections between the anti-Muslim, “counter-Jihadi” activists and the neo-fascists.

Some excerpts:

There are not many outspoken pro-Israel people in Europe, let alone scholars. Many liberal or left-wing scholars are instead anti-Zionist activists. However, this may not lead to support of German and European racists and right-wingers, many of them in support of anti-Muslim agitators, fans of the German Wehrmacht, Holocaust distortion if not affirmation, and antisemitic authors and supporters of Nazi Germany like Carl Schmitt or Ernst Jünger. The Finnish website Tundra Tabloids, for example, is promoted as a pro-Israel website and many authors from the pro-Israel tent refer to that website or publish there. The very same website, though, agitates against Roma from Bulgaria and Romania in a typical neo-Nazi-style way. Even worse, Tundra Tabloids also promotes Norwegian racist and anti-Muslim extremist Fjordman on its website with a constant link to his work. Fjordman urges the Western world to expel ALL MUSLIMS, as I will document in this piece.

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The author Soeren Kern, based in Madrid, portrays the right-wing extremist German party pro NRW as “conservative” and “opposed to the further spread of Islam in Germany.” As if the very existence of Islam is the problem, and not Islamism. Worse, Kern does not tell the story behind pro NRW. This is not at all a more or less harmless conservative party. It is a very nationalistic and anti-Muslim party and from 2010 until July 2012 it was mainly represented by neo-NaziAndreas Molau, who submitted an antisemitic cartoon to the Iranian Holocaust cartoon contest in December 2006! Promoting a hardcore nationalistic German, pro-Islamist, pro-Jihadist and pro-Ahmadinejad party like pro NRW as harmless and as opposed to Islamism and terror, is not serious journalism, rather a distortion of facts. Pro NRW detests non-Germans or Germans with a Muslim background, too. They do not deal with Islamism and Islamist antisemitism as modern and new phenomena. The party itself was represented by antisemite Molau and everyone in Germany who is dealing with these topics knows this. Pro NRW are racists and the German domestic intelligence service is watching them, thanks to their right-wing extremism, which is against the German constitution. A German court supported the decision to call pro NRW a right-wing extremist party.

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This antisemitic and pro-Nazi Wehrmacht agitation is mainstream for most parts of the right-of center pro-Israel trend in Germany. Several right-wing activists from PI, the German Defence League (who are friends of the English Defence League, the blog Gates of Vienna supported a pro-Tommy Robinson rally in Berlin in front of the British Embassy by the German Defence League), members of Die Freiheit, and even neo-Nazis from the National Democratic Party (Nationaldemokratische Partei Deutschlands, NPD) joined a pro-German rally on October 3, 2012, the German Unity Day, in Berlin, agitating against Muslims and immigration as well as against the Euro and Brussels.

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Fjordman, his real name is Peder Jensen, is a notorious Norwegian blogger. On December 17, 2010 he wrote:
[long Fjordman quote]
This is neo-Nazi-style ideology and hatred of Muslims. Contrary to scholarship like that of historian Robert Wistrich or historian Daniel Pipes, both experts on Muslim antisemitism, Fjordman states that Islam has been at war with ‘the West’ for some 1400 years, since the time of Muhammed. It is important to emphasize that Daniel Pipes, among many other scholars, distinguishes between Islamism and Islam, as quoted earlier in this piece.Fjordman’s call for the removal of all Muslims from Europe is a hardcore racist slogan, following decades of neo-Nazi agitation in Europe. Fjordman, who is a hero for many rather racist self-declared anti-jihad activists and other fans of bigotry, is arguing in an unscholarly fashion. He denies that Islamism is a specific and modern phenomenon. He is supported by a scholar in medicine, Andrew Bostom, who mostly does not focus on Islamism as a modern topic. In August 2011, after Fjordman called for the removal or expulsion of all Muslims from Western countries, Bostom called the writing of Norwegian preacher of hate, “prolific,” very productive or rich. Bloggers like Atlas Shrugs (Pamela Geller) promote Fjordman and share his hatred of Muslims and Islam, which damaged the anti-Islamist tent a lot in recent years. Fjordman talks about “the mother of all wars” when dealing with Islam (!), therefore he denies the specifics of European history, and the Holocaust, for example.

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Focusing on Muslims as the main and almost only cause for antisemitism in Europe or the Western world is racist in nature and completely inaccurate to boot.

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Fjordman reported about the July 2012 meeting on “free speech” in Brussels for Frontpage Magazine, a leading online website in the US in the pro-Israel or rather anti-Islam tent. Solidarity with Israel is very much damaged by such websites as long as they publish neo-Nazi-style people like Fjordman who pleads for the expulsion of all Muslims from Western countries!

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People have to be extremely careful when dealing with proud Christian Europeans. None of these people is shocked by the Holocaust; it is not a topic for research for them. They hate Islam as such and not just Islamism. They love Israel not because it is a Jewish state, rather because it is seen as a hotbed for anti-Muslim policies.

There’s lots of derp in the article, but quite a few useful links and info bits too.

491 Justanotherhuman  Mar 11, 2015 5:14:18pm

Later, Lizards!

Keep calm…and alive. : )

492 stpaulbear  Mar 11, 2015 5:15:51pm

re: #280 Justanotherhuman

Am I the only person who doesn’t use those things? I use shampoo, but still use Yardley soap and a washcloth which is superior to a pouf, IMHO. Will give up my English Lavender soap when they pry it from my dead, cold fingers. And since our water pressure in the bathroom sucks, even with a huge shower head, I still take baths. Seems safer. : )

I’ll put a vote in for Yardley soap too. The Almond Oatmeal soap is wonderful. I’m well beyond having to use shampoo any more (more hair on my face than on my head).

493 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 5:16:36pm

re: #462 No Country For Old Haters

494 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 5:19:09pm

re: #471 lawhawk

He’s a former sperm too, but he’s not exactly proud of that.

Or former star stuff.

495 jaunte  Mar 11, 2015 5:19:37pm

re: #493 Backwoods_Sleuth

His number in high school football was FF.

496 #FergusonFireside  Mar 11, 2015 5:20:02pm

I just got home from work so it’s the SS twitter dump. You can endure it.

497 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 5:20:11pm

re: #473 The Mother Of All Pies

*FACE PALM*

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Hey dipshits, “First Amendment” just means they won’t be arrested and thrown in jail for singing a racist ditty.

However “First Amendment” does not mean consequence-free speech.

And there’s that pesky University of Oklahoma student code of conduct…

498 #FergusonFireside  Mar 11, 2015 5:23:03pm

re: #497 Backwoods_Sleuth

And there’s that pesky University of Oklahoma student code of conduct…

The president of OU is on Anderson Cooper right now. Dude is on point.

They’ve covered their bases. The complainers are racists, nothing more.

499 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 5:23:55pm

re: #479 HappyWarrior

I heard that a top recruit turned down a scholarship offer from OU in the wake of the SAE frat incident. I can’t blame the kid at all.

Mesquite Football Player “De-Commits” From OU In Light Of Racist Video

500 #FergusonFireside  Mar 11, 2015 5:24:38pm

SAE, the one fraternity so proud of it’s rebel roots. That song has been around since 1890.

So much denial.

501 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 5:25:31pm

re: #486 jaunte

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What, think things through first before acting?

Or maybe McCain should have read the damned letter before he signed it.

502 #FergusonFireside  Mar 11, 2015 5:26:05pm

re: #498 #FergusonFireside

The president of OU is on Anderson Cooper right now. Dude is on point.

They’ve covered their bases. The complainers are racists, nothing more.

I guess you don’t get to be a University president without being a smart mo fo.

503 jaunte  Mar 11, 2015 5:27:10pm

re: #501 Backwoods_Sleuth

Or maybe McCain should have read the damned letter before he signed it.

“Everybody was looking forward to getting out of town because of the snowstorm,” McCain said.

So much for deadly serious nuclear negotiations.

504 #FergusonFireside  Mar 11, 2015 5:28:51pm

Systemic

505 Belafon  Mar 11, 2015 5:29:16pm

re: #482 EPR-radar

This would be a no-brainer if the university were a private school (i.e., the first amendment would be completely irrelevant). Since OU is a state school, there may be a real first amendment issue with expelling the students. IMO, the first amendment should not provide protection from expulsion in a case like this.

The first amendment does guarantee that the government can’t punish you for your speech (and there are more ways to punish than just being arrested). Since the school is a state school, and takes state - and probably federal - money, expelling them could be considered punishment.

506 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 5:29:18pm

re: #502 #FergusonFireside

I guess you don’t get to be a University president without being a smart mo fo.

But you CAN become President of The King’s College and be dumb as a post.

507 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 5:32:14pm

Have I mentioned lately how much I totally hate Windstream as my one and only available internet provider?
I complained to them months ago about this crap and asked them why my DSL Lite speeds were worse than dialup.
I sent them a speedtest screenshot and they asked me how many other devices did I have on when conducting the speedtest (and all sorts of egg sockpuppets on twitter retweeted that shit).

Well, here tonight, is my screenshot with just my one desktop computer on using Windstream’s own speedtest:

The next closest servers were Chicago and Atlanta.

Yep, on a par with dialup…

508 Belafon  Mar 11, 2015 5:33:21pm

I wonder if other colleges are looking at their SAE chapters?

509 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 5:34:00pm

re: #502 #FergusonFireside

I guess you don’t get to be a University president without being a smart mo fo.

yeppers. I found the OU Student code and posted it here the other day.
No doubt at all that the university is on solid ground with the expulsions.

510 b_sharp  Mar 11, 2015 5:34:31pm

re: #507 Backwoods_Sleuth

Have I mentioned lately how much I totally hate Windstream as my one and only available internet provider?
I complained to them months ago about this crap and asked them why my DSL Lite speeds were worse than dialup.
I sent them a speedtest screenshot and they asked me how many other devices did I have on when conducting the speedtest (and all sorts of egg sockpuppets on twitter retweeted that shit).

Well, here tonight, is my screenshot with just my one desktop computer on using Windstream’s own speedtest:

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The next closest servers were Chicago and Atlanta.

Yep, on a par with dialup…

0.18?

Seriously?

OMG that’s bad. I bitch when my customers get 1.5Mbps.

511 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 5:35:25pm

re: #503 jaunte

“Everybody was looking forward to getting out of town because of the snowstorm,” McCain said.

So much for deadly serious nuclear negotiations.

umm… the snowstorm was back on March 3.

Dickhead needs to try another excuse.

512 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 5:37:03pm

re: #510 b_sharp

0.18?

Seriously?

OMG that’s bad. I bitch when my customers get 1.5Mbps.

yeah.
And I’ve been losing my connection more often the last couple of days than when I have a connection.
It sucks large.

513 Shiplord Kirel  Mar 11, 2015 5:37:08pm

re: #500 #FergusonFireside

SAE, the one fraternity so proud of it’s rebel roots. That song has been around since 1890.

So much denial.

SAE bills itself as the “true gentlemen.” That used to be “southern gentlemen.” When I was in grad school, they would have a cotillion every spring at a
Tara-style office building in Lubbock. They all dressed up in Confederate uniforms while their girlfriends wore antebellum southern belle costumes. I don’t know how long they persisted in this “tradition” but this was about 1980, pretty late in the scheme of things to be playing Lost Cause with any claim of innocent intent.

514 thedopefishlives  Mar 11, 2015 5:37:44pm

Evening Lizardim.

515 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 11, 2015 5:38:19pm

hillary

when do we get the pleasure of hearing her get her butt out on the campaign trail and start kicking republic ass and making with the good old democratic party rhetoric eh? eh?

this diplo speak press conference got nobody’s blood stirring

516 darthstar  Mar 11, 2015 5:40:11pm
517 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 11, 2015 5:41:05pm

re: #515 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

hillary

when do we get the pleasure of hearing her get her butt out on the campaign trail and start kicking republic ass and making with the good old democratic party rhetoric eh? eh?

this diplo speak press conference got nobody’s blood stirring

If the rethugs think they’ve got anybody who can take on a survivor of the 2008 Democratic primary campaign, they’ve got another think coming.

518 darthstar  Mar 11, 2015 5:43:09pm
519 #FergusonFireside  Mar 11, 2015 5:48:22pm
520 A Cranky One  Mar 11, 2015 5:51:40pm

re: #444 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

Think of the potential for confusion for the word we are going to be hearing so much more of: “The C-Word.”

If it’s not cracker, is the C-word….Cheese?
521 #FergusonFireside  Mar 11, 2015 5:52:07pm

Welp, I have a head cold..

#thanksCharles

522 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 5:53:04pm

Welp… the war on drugs has taken an insidious turn:

523 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 5:54:41pm

re: #522 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s the new guacamole!

524 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 5:55:41pm

re: #523 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s the new guacamole!

Time to invest in tortilla chip stocks.

525 darthstar  Mar 11, 2015 5:56:45pm
526 darthstar  Mar 11, 2015 5:57:35pm

re: #522 Backwoods_Sleuth

Welp… the war on drugs has taken an insidious turn:

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That explains why my bong is clogged.

527 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 11, 2015 5:57:51pm

re: #522 Backwoods_Sleuth

Dude….you can get frozen avocado pulp?

I wonder how good that is/how well it keeps…

528 darthstar  Mar 11, 2015 5:57:59pm

re: #523 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s the new guacamole!

Nobody can eat just one bag.

529 darthstar  Mar 11, 2015 5:58:32pm

re: #527 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Dude….you can get frozen avocado pulp?

I wonder how good that is/how well it keeps…

Frozen avocado isn’t pulp, it’s more like paste.

530 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 5:58:43pm

re: #528 darthstar

Nobody can eat just one bag.

Feed forward activation.

531 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 11, 2015 6:00:01pm

re: #529 darthstar

Frozen avocado isn’t pulp, it’s more like paste.

Bag describes it as pulp, so that’s what I’m going with.

532 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 6:00:38pm

re: #531 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Bag describes it as pulp, so that’s what I’m going with.

Maybe it’s the bag that’s pulp…

533 BeachDem  Mar 11, 2015 6:01:13pm

re: #171 Varek Raith

The light at the end of the tunnel is the headlamp of an oncoming train.
/Me, cynical? Nope!

Kind of late on the response (I was actually working—what’s up with that?) but couldn’t resist, because I love this line (and this song):

There’s a light at each end of this tunnel,
You shout ‘cause you’re just as far in as you’ll ever be out

…

534 b_sharp  Mar 11, 2015 6:02:16pm

re: #531 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Bag describes it as pulp, so that’s what I’m going with.

They whipped the pulp into a paste.

Pulp = part of the fruit.
Paste = consistency.

535 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 6:03:07pm

oh…forgot to mention that a new cat has appeared here in the backwoods.
It’s a huge fluffy long-haired orange striped feline.

536 darthstar  Mar 11, 2015 6:05:37pm

re: #534 b_sharp

They whipped the pulp into a paste.

Pulp = part of the fruit.
Paste = consistency.

Avocado is goo. Tasty goo, but goo.

537 darthstar  Mar 11, 2015 6:06:10pm

re: #536 darthstar

Avocado is goo. Tasty goo, but goo.

Okay, a firm avocado is nice in a salad, like little cubes of almost goo.

538 Snarknado!  Mar 11, 2015 6:06:23pm

re: #535 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh…forgot to mention that a new cat has appeared here in the backwoods.
It’s a huge fluffy long-haired orange striped feline.

So have you moved it in yet?

539 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 6:06:53pm

re: #536 darthstar

Avocado is goo. Tasty goo, but goo.

But who’d buy a bag labeled ‘Frozen Avocado Goo’?

BTW, my personal definition of goo requires at least SOME mucoid traits.

540 b_sharp  Mar 11, 2015 6:07:45pm

re: #539 Blind Frog Belly White

But who’d buy a bag labeled ‘Frozen Avocado Goo’?

BTW, my personal definition of goo requires at least SOME mucoid traits.

We did not need to hear that.

541 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 6:08:12pm

As in, “When you stick your HAND in a mess of GOO that a minute ago was your best friend’s FACE…then you’ll know what to do.”

542 darthstar  Mar 11, 2015 6:08:27pm

re: #539 Blind Frog Belly White

But who’d buy a bag labeled ‘Frozen Avocado Goo’?

BTW, my personal definition of goo requires at least SOME mucoid traits.

I don’t know. I made my wife and I avocado on toast for breakfast this morning (a little fleur de sel and lemon squeezed over it and it’s lovely). We eat avocados a lot.

543 thedopefishlives  Mar 11, 2015 6:09:05pm

re: #535 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh…forgot to mention that a new cat has appeared here in the backwoods.
It’s a huge fluffy long-haired orange striped feline.

Hooray feline overlords!

544 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 6:09:12pm

re: #538 Snarknado!

So have you moved it in yet?

No. It’s a scaredy-kitteh. But I’ll keep a watch out for it.

545 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 6:09:26pm

re: #542 darthstar

I don’t know. I made my wife and I avocado on toast for breakfast this morning (a little fleur de sel and lemon squeezed over it and it’s lovely). We eat avocados a lot.

We do, too, though since they’re loaded with fat, not as many as we’d like.

546 b_sharp  Mar 11, 2015 6:09:54pm

Do you think that if we were all in the same room together sharing drinks and nibblies we’d each take turns in speaking as we do here?

547 #FergusonFireside  Mar 11, 2015 6:10:44pm

re: #542 darthstar

I don’t know. I made my wife and I avocado on toast for breakfast this morning (a little fleur de sel and lemon squeezed over it and it’s lovely). We eat avocados a lot.

My ex used to make toast with butter & spread avo on it with s&p. Heavenly.

548 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 6:10:52pm

re: #546 b_sharp

Do you think that if we were all in the same room together sharing drinks and nibblies we’d each take turns in speaking as we do here?

Nope…we’d be talking over each other and having a grand time because the music would be louder.

549 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 6:11:41pm

BABIES!!!

550 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 6:12:14pm

re: #549 Backwoods_Sleuth

they look like little erasers.

551 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 6:12:16pm

re: #549 Backwoods_Sleuth

BABIES!!!

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Prickly jellybeans

552 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 11, 2015 6:12:54pm

re: #542 darthstar

I don’t know. I made my wife and I avocado on toast for breakfast this morning (a little fleur de sel and lemon squeezed over it and it’s lovely). We eat avocados a lot.

I love avocado sandwiches. Crusty French bread, hummus, salt & pepper.

553 #FergusonFireside  Mar 11, 2015 6:13:17pm

re: #550 Backwoods_Sleuth

they look like little erasers.

Spiky penises.

554 darthstar  Mar 11, 2015 6:13:41pm

Rachel’s giving the #47traitors the attention they deserve right now…and it’s brutal.

555 b_sharp  Mar 11, 2015 6:13:46pm

re: #553 #FergusonFireside

Spiky penises.

I do not want to know your fantasy life.

556 austin_blue  Mar 11, 2015 6:13:51pm

re: #500 #FergusonFireside

SAE, the one fraternity so proud of it’s rebel roots. That song has been around since 1890.

So much denial.

Actually, that’s Kappa Alpha. Their big spring formal was “Old South”, with grey and butternut officer’s uniforms and their dates wearing Tara’s former draperies.

557 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 6:14:31pm

re: #553 #FergusonFireside

Spiky penises.

And now I can’t unsee it. Thank you so, so much.
//

558 #FergusonFireside  Mar 11, 2015 6:14:37pm

re: #555 b_sharp

I do not want to know your fantasy live.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

559 Snarknado!  Mar 11, 2015 6:14:40pm

re: #552 The Mother Of All Pies

I love avocado sandwiches. Crusty French bread, hummus, salt & pepper.

I can eat guacamole, but I shudder at the thought of avocado.

560 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 6:14:46pm
561 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 11, 2015 6:14:55pm

Once again, StackOverflow is king.

That is all.

(Ok, I’m really hungry, thanks for all the food discussion GUYS. I didn’t go to the grocery store or have much of lunch because I woke up feeling sick and now I get to wait for the husband to come home argh.)

562 #FergusonFireside  Mar 11, 2015 6:14:58pm

re: #557 Blind Frog Belly White

And now I can’t unsee it. Thank you so, so much.
//

Winner!

563 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 6:16:03pm

re: #560 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I guess someone’s mad that ACA is successful. If ACA was the total failure that Barusso and his party say it is, they wouldn’t have a problem with the WH bringing it up.

564 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 6:16:27pm

re: #556 austin_blue

Actually, that’s Kappa Alpha. Their big spring formal was “Old South”, with grey and butternut officer’s uniforms and their dates wearing Tara’s former draperies.

I saw it in a window, and just HAD to have it!
565 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 6:16:49pm

BOOM!!!

566 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 6:16:57pm

re: #519 #FergusonFireside

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RIP hero.

567 austin_blue  Mar 11, 2015 6:17:54pm

re: #549 Backwoods_Sleuth

BABIES!!!

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They look like organic hair curlers.

568 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 6:18:24pm

heh…in response to McConnellMcCain’s excuse about Cotton’s letter:

569 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 6:18:33pm

re: #560 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“Stop celebrating, and think of the people”

Like the millions of people who no longer need worry about going bankrupt from getting sick?

570 darthstar  Mar 11, 2015 6:18:56pm

You like cats? This is some seriously good click bait.

571 Belafon  Mar 11, 2015 6:19:04pm

re: #564 Blind Frog Belly White

I watched a commentary on that skit and the rest of the crew said they couldn’t keep it together, which is obvious when you watch it, but the fact that that group couldn’t handle it makes it that much funnier.

572 darthstar  Mar 11, 2015 6:20:16pm

re: #570 darthstar

You like cats? This is some seriously good click bait.

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Better link
omgfacts.com

573 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 6:20:27pm

re: #548 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nope…we’d be talking over each other and having a grand time because the music would be louder.

Dunno. I’m kinda shy IRL. We might need a Cruise Director.

574 b_sharp  Mar 11, 2015 6:21:06pm

G’night folks. This chest cold is being ugly.

575 jaunte  Mar 11, 2015 6:21:09pm

Very pleased with himself.

576 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 6:21:30pm

re: #568 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh…in response to McConnell’s excuse about Cotton’s letter:

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More personal responsibility from the party who thinks you need more of it but they need none of it for themselves. They know they stepped in shit though so I guess that’s something but it’s downright laughable seeing the excuses made- It was a joke! The administration has no sense of humor or Graham’s “The mean old WH vetoed my bill.” McCain admitting that he didn’t even read it and now the snow. How about they just come clean with the American people and admit the truth which is that they’re a pathetic group of old losers who still aren’t over the fact that Barack Obama is our 44th president and they have to undermine him at every turn.

577 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 6:21:57pm

re: #575 jaunte

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Very pleased with himself.

Sure he is. The check cleared from the defense contractors.

578 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 6:22:48pm

re: #575 jaunte

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Very pleased with himself.

We’ll see if he’s smiling when he’s a lightning rod to raise money against him and his joke of a party.

579 A Cranky One  Mar 11, 2015 6:23:19pm

re: #573 Blind Frog Belly White

Dunno. I’m kinda shy IRL. We might need a Cruise Director.

Nah, you’d be fine after the food fight. Just remember the rules of the food fight. One, you don’t throw VB’s pies. Two, you don’t throw VB’s pies.

580 Targetpractice  Mar 11, 2015 6:23:50pm

re: #560 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yes, how dare the White House celebrate good news about the law, rubbing salt in the wound for Republicans who’ve spent years trying to kneecap it?

581 CuriousLurker  Mar 11, 2015 6:24:06pm

re: #490 Nyet

Thanks for this. I’m going to tuck it away for the weekend.

It’s kind of weird that the seems to respect Pipes and loathe Fjordman, yet Pipes’ MEF provided him with a grant to travel a couple of years ago.

582 #FergusonFireside  Mar 11, 2015 6:24:10pm

re: #575 jaunte

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Very pleased with himself.

Read he met with his defense contractor supporters today.

583 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 6:24:23pm

re: #569 Blind Frog Belly White

“Stop celebrating, and think of the people”

Like the millions of people who no longer need worry about going bankrupt from getting sick?

Or those of us who don’t have to worry about being denied coverage because of conditions we have no control over. Yeah Barusso, they should be smiling, but tell us more about how Rudy Giuliani wasn’t wrong to suggest that this President doesn’t love America. I think you’re the ones who actually hate America given that you seem upset about your fellow Americans having affordable insurance where they didn’t before.

584 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 6:24:43pm

Today’s GOP circa if they had been around in1945 to Truman, stop being happy about defeating the Axis powers!

585 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 6:25:34pm

re: #579 A Cranky One

Nah, you’d be fine after the food fight. Just remember the rules of the food fight. One, you don’t throw VB’s pies. Second, you don’t throw VB’s pies.

Throw More Brandy!
586 Belafon  Mar 11, 2015 6:25:55pm

I just got followed by this person, and her background is hilarious: twitter.com.

587 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 6:26:28pm

such a dweeb. It’s OK for Chuck to lecture everyone about race and IQ but anything else is promoting racism…

588 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 6:27:01pm

re: #587 Backwoods_Sleuth

such a dweeb. It’s OK for Chuck to lecture everyone about race and IQ but anything else is promoting racism…

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SJW?

589 jaunte  Mar 11, 2015 6:27:31pm

re: #587 Backwoods_Sleuth

they are the ones that are dehumanizing people into racists & nonracists

“Let a thousand bigotries bloom!”

590 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 6:27:33pm

re: #588 HappyWarrior

SJW?

Social Justice Warriors

591 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 11, 2015 6:28:13pm

re: #584 HappyWarrior

Today’s GOP circa if they had been around in1945 to Truman, stop being happy about defeating the Axis powers!

“To Herr Hitler and Emp. Hirohito,

“It has come to our attention that you may not understand the Constitutional workings of the United States. Any unconditional surrender you give to President Truman may only last until 1949…”

592 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 6:28:17pm

re: #590 Backwoods_Sleuth

Social Justice Warriors

Ahhhh okay. It’s funny to see him squeal about dehumanizing since you know he’s fond of linking to Neo-Nazis and other right wing assholes who repeatedly call people vermin.

593 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 6:28:20pm

UpChuck absolutely despises the SJW peeps.

594 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 6:28:44pm

re: #593 Backwoods_Sleuth

UpChuck absolutely despises the SJW peeps.

I’d be upset if he did like people like me.

595 BeachDem  Mar 11, 2015 6:28:51pm

Same vacant eyes—same slack-jawed expression. Separated at birth? Twin sons of different mothers? Hmmm.

596 austin_blue  Mar 11, 2015 6:29:35pm

re: #588 HappyWarrior

SJW?

What have Single Jewish Women to do with this?

597 Targetpractice  Mar 11, 2015 6:30:08pm

The DoD’s white elephant is in the news again:

So in December, the Air Force found out that they had repaint their whole fleet of tanker trucks white because the F-35 can’t use fuel that’s too hot. Now, even after canceling several months worth of testing just to get back on schedule, they find out that the weapons bay is too small for the bombs its intended to use.

Your tax dollars at work, folks./////

598 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 6:30:22pm

re: #596 austin_blue

What have Single Jewish Women to do with this?

One obviously didn’t give Chuckles her number and say she could call him maybe.

599 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 6:30:59pm

bwahahahahaaaa:

600 #FergusonFireside  Mar 11, 2015 6:31:06pm

re: #595 BeachDem

Same vacant eyes—same slack-jawed expression. Separated at birth? Twin sons of different mothers? Hmmm.

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Walker is Goofy. He IS.

601 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 11, 2015 6:32:26pm

God, CCJ must think he is so cool using all them funky acronyms.

602 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 11, 2015 6:32:26pm

re: #595 BeachDem

Same vacant eyes—same slack-jawed expression. Separated at birth? Twin sons of different mothers? Hmmm.

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GAH! I remember when Fred Thompson was the presumptive nominee 8 years ago and all I could think of was “Dregs and Vestiges” from the first season or two of Saturday Night Live, but this is getting into Shadow Over Innsmouth territory!

603 Varek Raith  Mar 11, 2015 6:32:34pm

re: #597 Targetpractice

The DoD’s white elephant is in the news again:

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So in December, the Air Force found out that they had repaint their whole fleet of tanker trucks white because the F-35 can’t use fuel that’s too hot. Now, even after canceling several months worth of testing just to get back on schedule, they find out that the weapons bay is too small for the bombs its intended to use.

Your tax dollars at work, folks./////

Whut.

604 jaunte  Mar 11, 2015 6:32:37pm

re: #595 BeachDem

Same vacant eyes—same slack-jawed expression. Separated at birth? Twin sons of different mothers? Hmmm.

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605 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 6:32:39pm

re: #600 #FergusonFireside

Walker is Goofy. He IS.

That’s not far to Goofy. Goofy sounds like a nice guy who wouldn’t bust a teacher’s union.

606 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 6:33:32pm

re: #602 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

GAH! I remember when Fred Thompson was the presumptive nominee 8 years ago and all I could think of was “Dregs and Vestiges” from the first season or two of Saturday Night Live, but this is getting into Shadow Over Innsmouth territory!

I remember when Thompson entered the race. All the “true conservatives” thought he would walk away with the nomination and the left had better be scared. Guy ended up being a weaker candidate than Newt was two years ago and we saw how weak sauce Newt is.

607 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 6:34:06pm

re: #604 jaunte

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Well a boy’s best friend is his mullah. He does look like Perkins though all joking aside.

608 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 11, 2015 6:34:20pm

re: #597 Targetpractice

The DoD’s white elephant is in the news again:

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So in December, the Air Force found out that they had repaint their whole fleet of tanker trucks white because the F-35 can’t use fuel that’s too hot. Now, even after canceling several months worth of testing just to get back on schedule, they find out that the weapons bay is too small for the bombs its intended to use.

Your tax dollars at work, folks./////

And you know what really pisses me off?

NOTHING is going to change. The contractors are going to keep getting their billions, the military will keep messing it up somehow and no one will give a shit because the almighty GOP can’t bear the thought of cutting even ONE PENNY from the DoD budget.

609 Single-handed sailor  Mar 11, 2015 6:34:47pm

re: #595 BeachDem

Same vacant eyes—same slack-jawed expression. Separated at birth? Twin sons of different mothers? Hmmm.

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Fetal Alcohol Syndrome

610 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 6:34:59pm

uh oh:

Saving everyone a click:

PHILADELPHIA (CBS) — Anti-Islamic ads could soon be coming to a SEPTA bus near you. Wednesday a federal court judge in Philadelphia sided with a New Hampshire based non-profit on its claim that it has a first amendment right to run bus ads linking Muslims to Hitler.

The ads include images of Adolf Hitler and read “Islamic Jew Hatred: It’s in the Quaran.” While they may be incendiary to some federal court judge Mitchell Goldberg wrote their perfectly acceptable under the first amendment.

“He agreed with us on all the issues,” said attorney Robert Muise.

Attorney Robert Muise represents plaintiff American Freedom Defense Initiative. The group has filed more than a half dozen lawsuits against transit authorities across the country over anti-Islamic ads. SEPTA refused to run their ad saying it disparaged Muslims, but the court held the buses are public forums so SEPTA cannot censor AFDI’s political speech.

“The found the restriction on our client’s speech to be content based and unconstitutional,” said Muise.

Muise says his clients hope to run the ad. Spokesperson Jerri Williams says SEPTA is disappointed, but is evaluating whether to appeal.

611 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 6:35:23pm

re: #608 Eclectic Cyborg

And you know what really pisses me off?

NOTHING is going to change. The contractors are going to keep getting their billions, the military will keep messing it up somehow and no one will give a shit because the almighty GOP can’t bear the thought of cutting even ONE PENNY from the DoD budget.

Yep and that’s the problem. The biggest contributor to our debt is the one thing that the so called debt hawks in the GOP will never touch. As far as I’m concerned, they forfeit any right to call themselves fiscal conservatives when they not only refuse to cut defense spending but many of them even want to increase the budget.

612 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 11, 2015 6:35:49pm

re: #609 Single-handed sailor

Fetal Alcohol Syndrome

That’s Joe Scarborough.

613 austin_blue  Mar 11, 2015 6:35:58pm

re: #597 Targetpractice

The DoD’s white elephant is in the news again:

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So in December, the Air Force found out that they had repaint their whole fleet of tanker trucks white because the F-35 can’t use fuel that’s too hot. Now, even after canceling several months worth of testing just to get back on schedule, they find out that the weapons bay is too small for the bombs its intended to use.

Your tax dollars at work, folks./////

You know, we tried a multi-role platform back in the 60’s called the F-111 and it was a dismal failure. But lots of people in almost every State made serious bucks, so I guess it’s cool, eh?

We never learn.

614 jaunte  Mar 11, 2015 6:36:19pm
615 Targetpractice  Mar 11, 2015 6:36:53pm

re: #603 Varek Raith

Whut.

The F-35B’s supposed to carry 8 Small Diameter Bombs for close-air support, yet they’ve discovered in testing that it can’t fit more than 4 because the weapon bays are too small. But the Air Force has declared that getting the bird operational is so important, that they’re not going to wait until the modified F-35B is ready, they’re going to push ahead with the unmodified birds. Their excuse? The software can’t even handle the bombs anyway, so they’ll just introduce the modified fighter with the correct software later.

616 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 11, 2015 6:36:59pm

re: #610 Backwoods_Sleuth

Is this Pam Geller’s group or a different group of wackos? It’s so tough to keep track of them all.

617 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 6:37:52pm

You also can’t call yourself a fiscal conservative when you’re opposed to any raising of taxes. The GOP is about as fiscally conservative as a kid on his 21st birthday at the bar.

618 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 11, 2015 6:37:53pm

re: #611 HappyWarrior

Yep and that’s the problem. The biggest contributor to our debt is the one thing that the so called debt hawks in the GOP will never touch. As far as I’m concerned, they forfeit any right to call themselves fiscal conservatives when they not only refuse to cut defense spending but many of them even want to increase the budget.

On top of the fact the Military has told them they already have ENOUGH FUCKING MONEY.

Think about that for a second.

619 Varek Raith  Mar 11, 2015 6:38:18pm

re: #615 Targetpractice

The F-35B’s supposed to carry 8 Small Diameter Bombs for close-air support, yet they’ve discovered in testing that it can’t fit more than 4 because the weapon bays are too small. But the Air Force has declared that getting the bird operational is so important, that they’re not going to wait until the modified F-35B is ready, they’re going to push ahead with the unmodified birds. Their excuse? The software can’t even handle the bombs anyway, so they’ll just introduce the modified fighter with the correct software later.

…
Whut.
/Oy

620 Nyet  Mar 11, 2015 6:38:22pm

re: #616 Eclectic Cyborg

Is this Pam Geller’s group or a different group of wackos? It’s so tough to keep track of them all.

Yep.

621 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2015 6:38:35pm

re: #616 Eclectic Cyborg

Is this Pam Geller’s group or a different group of wackos? It’s so tough to keep track of them all.

Yes, it’s Geller.

622 HappyWarrior  Mar 11, 2015 6:38:58pm

re: #618 Eclectic Cyborg

On top of the fact the Military has told them they already have ENOUGH FUCKING MONEY.

Think about that for a second.

Paul Ryan says they’re just lying because you know who knows what the military actually wants, a little pipsqueak who lies about his marathon times and not the joint chiefs.

623 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 11, 2015 6:38:58pm

re: #614 jaunte

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Aside from praying the bridge won’t collapse.

624 Mike Lamb  Mar 11, 2015 6:39:36pm

re: #587 Backwoods_Sleuth

such a dweeb. It’s OK for Chuck to lecture everyone about race and IQ but anything else is promoting racism…

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He’s just asking questions…

625 Varek Raith  Mar 11, 2015 6:39:45pm

What a way to run a railroad.

626 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 11, 2015 6:50:56pm

re: #595 BeachDem

Same vacant eyes—same slack-jawed expression. Separated at birth? Twin sons of different mothers? Hmmm.

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drunk/stoned/inbred

627 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 11, 2015 6:52:50pm

re: #598 HappyWarrior

One obviously didn’t give Chuckles her number and say she could call him maybe.

He asked for her phone number and she gave him 634-5789

628 jaunte  Mar 11, 2015 6:52:53pm

re: #626 The Mother Of All Pies

drunk/stoned/inbred

Popular in Wisconsin.

629 Amory Blaine  Mar 11, 2015 7:06:59pm

re: #546 b_sharp

Do you think that if we were all in the same room together sharing drinks and nibblies we’d each take turns in speaking as we do here?

I’d be in the backyard behind the shed, with the doobie squad.

630 BeachDem  Mar 11, 2015 7:11:58pm

re: #604 jaunte

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So unfair! (to Tony Perkins)

631 The War TARDIS  Mar 11, 2015 7:23:01pm

re: #597 Targetpractice

Cancel the fucker.


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