FL GOP Lawmaker: CO2 Can’t Cause Climate Change Because “God Gave It to Us”

Anti-science religious fanatics and proud of it

As Florida governor Rick Scott tries to deny he told state officials not to use the terms “climate change” or “global warming,” another Republican state lawmaker, Rep. John Wood, now says carbon dioxide can’t possibly be harmful to the atmosphere because God gave it to us.

Wood said he does not think that carbon dioxide emissions, also known as CO2, was causing air pollution.

“If you consider CO2 to be a pollutant, than everybody zip up their mouths and don’t exhale for the rest of the meeting because you are polluting the air,” he said.

“CO2 in my opinion is not a pollutant,” Wood said. “God gave us C02 to grow plants, for us to exhale, everything else.”

Wood (which is apparently also the material his head is made of) is also convinced the sea level isn’t rising despite what those egghead scientists are trying to trick us into believing.

Wood said he thought Florida’s compliance with the federal plan to curb carbon dioxide emissions would place “draconian costs” on the state and not produce much of an impact on the climate or rising sea levels.

“The impact on the level of the sea…is equivalent to the difference in this piece of paper,” he said, holding up a single sheet of paper. “For me, that is not good science. That is not a good reason to implement this provision on the people of Florida.”

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201 comments

1 Kragar  Mar 13, 2015 11:36:25am

Using that logic, one cannot drown in water or burn in a fire because God gave it to us.

2 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 13, 2015 11:36:37am

/headdesk

3 wrenchwench  Mar 13, 2015 11:39:11am

I guess that means it is impossible to drown, also.

4 Skip Intro  Mar 13, 2015 11:39:47am
Anti-science religious fanatics and proud of it

There sure are a lot of them now, and they control the government for all practical purposes. I can’t say I see a clear way out of this problem.

5 Kragar  Mar 13, 2015 11:40:07am

The human body also requires Oxygen, so therefore, according to Rep Wood, a human being exposed to a surplus of Oxygen would suffer no ill effects.

6 allegro  Mar 13, 2015 11:40:13am

God also gave us arsenic and cyanide. Here, sprinkle some on your Cherrios, tastes great!

7 wrenchwench  Mar 13, 2015 11:40:14am

re: #1 Kragar

Using that logic, one cannot drown in water or burn in a fire because God gave it to us.

re: #3 wrenchwench

I guess that means it is impossible to drown, also.

Not impossible to post too slowly, however.

8 HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2015 11:41:31am

Man it must hurt to be that stupid. Really pathetic that we keep on electing people like this. The problem is the GOP is filled with people who think like Wood.

9 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 13, 2015 11:42:05am

I HAVE NO WORDS

10 ramex  Mar 13, 2015 11:42:20am

What God never gave us anything harmful? Surely not the same one who planted the forbidden fruit tree right in the middle of paradise.

11 Jenner7  Mar 13, 2015 11:42:22am

I wonder if RW’ers are upset that their favored leader hasn’t been seen in dayas….??

12 b_sharp  Mar 13, 2015 11:42:26am

Can we put him in a sealed room with 80% O2 and 20% CO2 for just a little while?

13 team_fukit  Mar 13, 2015 11:42:49am

God gave us herpes too!

14 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 13, 2015 11:43:37am

He must belong to one of those “snake handler” cults.

15 Skip Intro  Mar 13, 2015 11:43:47am

re: #5 Kragar

The human body also requires Oxygen, so therefore, according to Rep Wood, a human being exposed to a surplus of Oxygen would suffer no ill effects.

Well, a human would if God decided to punish him/her. Same goes for everything bad that happens to us, I guess.

People get horrible diseases because God chooses for them to. No need for science of medicine. They’re an affront to the power of God.

16 Nyet  Mar 13, 2015 11:44:05am

re: #13 team_fukit

God gave us herpes too!

NO IT EVOLVED BY ITSELF!!1 WAIT A MINUTE IT’S A TRAP

17 WhatEVs  Mar 13, 2015 11:44:15am

re: #12 b_sharp

Can we put him in a sealed room with 80% O2 and 20% CO2 for just a little while?

I think that may have already happened. //

18 Targetpractice  Mar 13, 2015 11:45:55am

Days like these, I can only wonder if the existence of an all-powerful deity means there’s someone up above, looking down on all this, and wondering where he went wrong. Maybe he shouldn’t have stopped at only 10 commandment.

19 allegro  Mar 13, 2015 11:46:06am

re: #7 wrenchwench

Not impossible to post too slowly, however.

Speaking of quick thinking… I was at the pet store this morning and passed a cute little cherry crown conure. I said “Hi baby!” and got an immediate response from another customer just coming around that corner: “And a big hello to you too, sweetheart!” LMAO

20 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 13, 2015 11:46:11am
21 ramex  Mar 13, 2015 11:47:52am

CO2’s got what plants crave.

22 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 13, 2015 11:48:17am
23 Zamb  Mar 13, 2015 11:48:44am

God gave us shit too, it helps grow plants, but if I shat on his desk I’m pretty certain he’d be upset.

24 HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2015 11:49:54am

re: #23 Zamb

God gave us shit too, it helps grow plants, but if I shat on his desk I’m pretty certain he’d be upset.

or shat in his coffee.

25 ramex  Mar 13, 2015 11:50:02am

re: #23 Zamb

God gave us shit too, it helps grow plants, but if I shat on his desk I’m pretty certain he’d be upset.

What you propose is a testable hypothesis, and I’d for one like to know the results of that test.

26 Nyet  Mar 13, 2015 11:50:36am

re: #23 Zamb

God gave us shit too, it helps grow plants, but if I shat on his desk I’m pretty certain he’d be upset.

Send Chuck instead.

27 TedStriker  Mar 13, 2015 11:50:38am

re: #8 HappyWarrior

Man it must hurt to be that stupid. Really pathetic that we keep on electing people like this. The problem is the GOP is filled with people who think like Wood.

It doesn’t, because we seem to have an abundance of these fucks, but it should.

28 Romantic Heretic  Mar 13, 2015 11:50:39am
For me, that is not good science.

What the hell would you know about science, you ignorant blowhard?

29 HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2015 11:50:39am

re: #25 ramex

What you propose is a testable hypothesis, and I’d for one like to know the results of that test.

You have to ask Mr. C.C Johnson. He knows a thing or two about shitting in public areas I’m told.

30 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 13, 2015 11:50:41am

God gave us the box jellyfish, too. Let’s all step on one.

31 HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2015 11:50:59am

re: #28 Romantic Heretic

What the hell would you know about science, you ignorant blowhard?

He knows he doesn’t understand it.

32 b_sharp  Mar 13, 2015 11:52:46am

re: #31 HappyWarrior

He knows he doesn’t understand it.

He doesn’t like it because he doesn’t understand it and he fears it because it questions his self worth as a theist.

33 Greup  Mar 13, 2015 11:53:09am
34 Romantic Heretic  Mar 13, 2015 11:53:14am

re: #18 Targetpractice

Days like this these, I can only wonder if the existence of an all-powerful deity means there’s someone up above, looking down on all this, and wondering where he went wrong. Maybe he shouldn’t have stopped at only 10 commandment.

Like this old Gary Larson cartoon.

Image: February-10.089.jpg

35 BigPapa  Mar 13, 2015 11:54:24am

The same god also gave us radiation, cancer, and tapeworms.

So there’s that.

36 WhatEVs  Mar 13, 2015 11:55:04am

re: #35 BigPapa

The same god also gave us radiation, cancer, and tapeworms.

So there’s that.

And fleas. Why are there fleas?

37 b_sharp  Mar 13, 2015 11:56:20am

re: #33 Greup

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No Nothing?

38 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 13, 2015 11:56:43am
39 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 13, 2015 11:56:58am

Speaking of climate change, my predicted high for tomorrow is 87.

40 b_sharp  Mar 13, 2015 11:57:38am

re: #39 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Speaking of climate change, my predicted high for tomorrow is 87.

Holy crap.

Mine is 8C

41 HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2015 11:58:19am

re: #38 The Mother Of All Pies

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Yeah Bryan, God’s pissed at us because of same sex marriage but he didn’t bat an eye during slavery and Jim Crow.

42 goddamnedfrank  Mar 13, 2015 11:58:42am

re: #33 Greup

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Dunning and Kruger won the 2000 Ig-Nobel Prize in Psychology. There is no Nobel Prize in that category.

43 Kragar  Mar 13, 2015 11:58:58am

re: #38 The Mother Of All Pies

44 Nyet  Mar 13, 2015 11:59:18am

re: #38 The Mother Of All Pies

Why doesn’t he go to Russia?

45 goddamnedfrank  Mar 13, 2015 11:59:33am

re: #37 b_sharp

No Nothing?

Something.

46 b_sharp  Mar 13, 2015 11:59:59am

My chest cold has decided to migrate up into my head.

Thanks Obama.

47 b.d.  Mar 13, 2015 12:00:15pm

God also gave us marijuana so I guess that wingnut is now on board with legalization?

48 Ace-o-aces  Mar 13, 2015 12:00:38pm
49 A Cranky One  Mar 13, 2015 12:00:52pm

re: #38 The Mother Of All Pies

Tower of Babble? Is that Twitter? ;)

50 EPR-radar  Mar 13, 2015 12:00:54pm

A news story that an elected GOP official is pig-ignorant and proud of it.

Must be a day ending in ‘y’.

51 BigPapa  Mar 13, 2015 12:01:41pm

I lived Dunning-Kruger before I knew Dunning-Kruger. I’ve been in a technology based business for 27 years. When I was young, I thought I knew more. Later, I realized the true wisdom is understanding what you don’t know, your limitations, and most importantly, who to call for help (somebody smart than you at this particular issue).

After I got my grey beard on, I realized the best guys also self-assessed their own skill levels best. Their assessments matched my own when giving them employee reviews.

The lesser performing guys always thought they knew more and were better at their jobs than they really were.

I realize now, after 27 years, I’m not that good at my job any more. But I excel at telling other people what to do and making them better LOL.

It all makes total sense.

52 Nyet  Mar 13, 2015 12:01:52pm

re: #43 Kragar

“It’s you who are ignorant! I read all 66!”

53 Kragar  Mar 13, 2015 12:01:55pm
54 A Cranky One  Mar 13, 2015 12:01:59pm

re: #36 WhatEVs

And fleas. Why are there fleas?

That’s a bug, not a feature. <evil grin>

55 lawhawk  Mar 13, 2015 12:04:22pm

re: #33 Greup

The Dunning Kruger effect is a real analysis, but that graphic is, um, problematic.

No nothing?
Nobel Prize in 2000? Nope. It got an Ig Nobel prize.

56 Iwouldprefernotto  Mar 13, 2015 12:04:30pm

God also gave us marijuana, so I’m allowed to smoke as much as I want. Asking for a friend.

57 Dr. Matt  Mar 13, 2015 12:07:49pm

re: #56 Iwouldprefernotto

God also gave us marijuana, so I’m allowed to smoke as much as I want. Asking for a friend.

I’ll bring the Cool Ranch Doritos.

58 Nyet  Mar 13, 2015 12:08:04pm

re: #33 Greup

There is no Nobel Prize for psychology.

59 Dr. Matt  Mar 13, 2015 12:09:43pm

God also gave us naturally occurring radon and asbestos; I guess we’re all supposed to have lung cancer.

60 b.d.  Mar 13, 2015 12:10:46pm

God gave us Polio too, I guess we shouldn’t have tried to do anything about it.

61 Dr. Matt  Mar 13, 2015 12:11:05pm

re: #58 Nyet

There is no Nobel Prize for psychology.

From en.wikipedia.org Dunning and Kruger were awarded the 2000 satirical Ig Nobel Prize in Psychology “for their modest report, ‘Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One’s Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments’”.[12]

62 OhNoZombies!  Mar 13, 2015 12:11:51pm

In that case, weed should be legal everywhere, no questions asked.

63 b_sharp  Mar 13, 2015 12:12:22pm

re: #62 OhNoZombies!

In that case, weed should be legal everywhere, no questions asked.

How about poppies?

64 Minor_L  Mar 13, 2015 12:12:59pm

re: #39 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Mine is 83. I’m going to Portland for the weekend, however, so I will miss it.

65 b.d.  Mar 13, 2015 12:13:00pm

del

66 goddamnedfrank  Mar 13, 2015 12:14:14pm

donotlink.com

“Two days ago I was on the air and I brought up Grover Norquist,” Beck explained on his radio program. “He’s a board member on the NRA, and he’s running for re-election. And I said something then that I meant then and I mean now — that if Grover Norquist remains on the board of the NRA, I don’t believe that I can remain a member of the NRA.”

Beck said he believes the people that Norquist “helps empower” are “agents of influence” for the Muslim Brotherhood.

“Many of the reasons why we’re on the wrong track now in the Middle East is because of the influence of Grover Norquist,” Beck said. “He is a guy that the left used to say was the all mighty and powerful Oz during the Bush administration. I used to mock that. … [But] we heard it so many times that we started doing our own homework on it. … And I’m sorry, he is Oz.”

“I don’t believe he’s out trying to destroy America, but his efforts and his work will lead to the destruction of America,” Beck declared. “Yesterday I spent about an hour on the phone with Wayne LaPierre at the NRA. … They reacted immediately because of your phone calls. Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of phone calls have apparently come in.”

“I honestly expected some sort of defense. But [Wayne LaPierre] said, ‘…I want you [and] your audience to know, I take our members voice’s seriously,’” Beck continued. “When you called, they went into action. And they said that they were opening up an ethics investigation on Grover. They said they’re going to get down to the bottom of this once and for all. Grover denies all of these allegations.”

This is about othering Norquist because his wife is a Muslim.

67 Nyet  Mar 13, 2015 12:15:15pm

Well, here’s a confirmation of something I wrote in the prev. thread:

Putin’s reappearance is a lie — he’s been out of sight for 8 days now
AMANDA MACIAS MILITARY & DEFENSE MAR. 13, 2015, 11:04 PM

They try to prove the photo is fake by bringing up an old video… It is fucking obvious that on the video the meeting takes place in different room!

The UK version of the article has already been scrubbed of the embarassing conspiracy idiocy.

PS: webcite: webcitation.org

68 b_sharp  Mar 13, 2015 12:15:18pm

re: #65 b.d.

del

bert

69 Nyet  Mar 13, 2015 12:15:43pm

re: #61 Dr. Matt

From en.wikipedia.org Dunning and Kruger were awarded the 2000 satirical Ig Nobel Prize in Psychology “for their modest report, ‘Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One’s Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments’”.[12]

Someone who made this graphic is obviously suffering from DK.

70 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 13, 2015 12:16:07pm

TED CRUZ HAS STOPPED CLOCK MOMENT==>

71 makeitstop  Mar 13, 2015 12:16:19pm

re: #66 goddamnedfrank

donotlink.com

This is about othering Norquist because his wife is a Muslim.

Their own - it’s what’s for dinner!

72 Dr. Matt  Mar 13, 2015 12:17:20pm

re: #66 goddamnedfrank

“He is a guy that the left used to say was the all mighty and powerful Oz during the Bush administration. I used to mock that. … [But] we heard it so many times that we started doing our own homework on it. … And I’m sorry, he is Oz.”

Who exactly were these Lefties that said Norquist was “all mighty and powerful”?

73 b_sharp  Mar 13, 2015 12:17:54pm

re: #69 Nyet

Someone who made this graphic is obviously suffering from DK.

It’s satire.

Or irony, like you say.

74 Dave In Austin  Mar 13, 2015 12:18:05pm

From below

75 Nyet  Mar 13, 2015 12:18:47pm

re: #73 b_sharp

It’s satire.

Or irony, like you say.

Maybe in Rush Limbaugh’s world, where unfunny false claims are just a joke…

76 Kragar  Mar 13, 2015 12:19:21pm
77 Dr. Matt  Mar 13, 2015 12:19:32pm

From Zombie Breitbart:

GROVER NORQUIST’S ALLEGED ISLAMIST TIES THREATEN REELECTION TO NRA BOARD OF DIRECTORS donotlink.com

78 b_sharp  Mar 13, 2015 12:19:51pm

re: #75 Nyet

Maybe in Rush Limbaugh’s world, where unfunny false claims are just a joke…

Bullshit is brown, unless it isn’t.

79 Kragar  Mar 13, 2015 12:20:27pm

re: #67 Nyet

I saw Putin drinking pina coladas down at Trader Vics.

His hair was perfect.

80 goddamnedfrank  Mar 13, 2015 12:20:49pm
Seems legit.
81 Timothy Watson  Mar 13, 2015 12:21:13pm

re: #66 goddamnedfrank

donotlink.com

This is about othering Norquist because his wife is a Muslim.

Wingnuts eating their own?

82 HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2015 12:21:17pm

re: #66 goddamnedfrank

donotlink.com

This is about othering Norquist because his wife is a Muslim.

Heaven knows I can’t stand Norquist and his childish views on spending and taxation but calling him an agent of the MB and suggesting the NRA really goes to show you that Glenn is really more like Alex Jones than he wants to admit.

83 HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2015 12:22:14pm

re: #81 Timothy Watson

Wingnuts eating their own?

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I do feel a little bad since the reason for it is Grover’s wife. It does amuse me though how quickly they will eat their own though over something like having a Muslim spouse.

84 Zamb  Mar 13, 2015 12:22:39pm

re: #66 goddamnedfrank

What the fuck do Muslims have to do with gun rights and safety?

85 Justanotherhuman  Mar 13, 2015 12:22:56pm

re: #76 Kragar

Shameful. As has been often said here, these people don’t care about kids once they’re born.

86 makeitstop  Mar 13, 2015 12:23:02pm

re: #83 HappyWarrior

I do feel a little bad since the reason for it is Grover’s wife. It does amuse me though how quickly they will eat their own though over something like having a Muslim spouse.

Their ‘big tent’ has gotten small enough to drown in a bathtub.
/

87 A Cranky One  Mar 13, 2015 12:23:04pm

re: #79 Kragar

I saw Putin drinking pina coladas down at Trader Vics.

His hair was perfect.

I’d like to meet his tailor.

88 HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2015 12:23:59pm

re: #72 Dr. Matt

Who exactly were these Lefties that said Norquist as “all mighty and powerful”?

I don’t think any lefty said he was all powerful but I think many did appropriately question why a man who has never been elected to any office or really any faint idea how to govern a country would be allowed that much influence. At the same time, he’s one to talk about mocking since his side thinks every lefty has Alinsky’s book memorized.

89 makeitstop  Mar 13, 2015 12:24:02pm

re: #87 A Cranky One

I’d like to meet his tailor.

Stay away from him. He’ll rip your lungs out, Jim.

90 HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2015 12:24:33pm

re: #84 Zamb

What the fuck do Muslims have to do with gun rights and safety?

It’s an ultimate prism in how people like Glenn view individual rights. They’re for him not the damned Muslims.

91 Dr. Matt  Mar 13, 2015 12:24:39pm

From WND regarding Norquist and the NRA

Reason And Believing • 12 minutes ago
Beck is a Mormon , Mormons are not that much different than Muslims, Both don’t believe Jesus is God , both believe in Jesus as a divine prophet. Both have their own prophets that call for a theocracy. Both have their own finance laws and banks , Both have the same views concerning women .ect.

Mormonism is just as a bad as Islam. The only difference is Mormonism started in America ,where Christians stopped them from taking over.

This shows you how lost we are . The 2012 election was for Obama/Muslims and Romney/Mormons. Both deny Jesus is God , that he died for our Sins and that HE is the only thing we need for salvation

We are totally sc rewed because it seems MOST people do not have any idea hat their ignorance is destroying Christianity , not arabs in far away lands.

donotlink.com

92 Nyet  Mar 13, 2015 12:25:00pm

re: #80 goddamnedfrank

Seems legit! (c) some in the West

93 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 13, 2015 12:26:03pm

oim enery the eighth oiyam

94 Nyet  Mar 13, 2015 12:26:32pm

re: #81 Timothy Watson

Wingnuts eating their own?

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This has been a long time coming, the wingnuts have always had it for Grover.

95 Drive By Commenter  Mar 13, 2015 12:27:03pm

re: #38 The Mother Of All Pies

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His latest column ought to be “How deep in the closet am I and which one?”

96 OhNoZombies!  Mar 13, 2015 12:27:05pm

re: #63 b_sharp

How about poppies?

If we’re using his rationale, why not.
Fuck it. It’ll be better if we don’t feel our faces as we slowly burn up./

97 HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2015 12:27:32pm

re: #94 Nyet

This has been a long time coming, the wingnuts have always had it for Grover.

I wouldn’t say always but the hatred for him having a Muslim wife yeah isn’t new.

98 b_sharp  Mar 13, 2015 12:27:58pm

re: #93 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

oim enery the eighth oiyam

Second verse same as the first.

99 A Cranky One  Mar 13, 2015 12:28:42pm

re: #68 b_sharp

bert

re: #94 Nyet

This has been a long time coming, the wingnuts have always had it for Grover.

They’ll be targeting Big Bird next.

100 Dr. Matt  Mar 13, 2015 12:28:51pm

re: #88 HappyWarrior

I don’t think any lefty said he was all powerful but I think many did appropriately question why a man who has never been elected to any office or really any faint idea how to govern a country would be allowed that much influence. At the same time, he’s one to talk about mocking since his side thinks every lefty has Alinsky’s book memorized.

AH! Ok, I misunderstood Becky. I thought he was saying that the Left sided with Norquist. But, yes, I completely agree with you that Norquist’s anti-government/anti-tax rhetoric had a lot of influence at one time….and likely some even today.

101 Justanotherhuman  Mar 13, 2015 12:29:04pm

re: #89 makeitstop

Stay away from him. He’ll rip your lungs out, Jim.

You hear him howling around your kitchen door
You better not let him in
Little old lady got mutilated late last night

102 Dr. Matt  Mar 13, 2015 12:30:12pm

Re: Norquist’s wife. It’s such a shame that such a good looking woman is married to such a weasel.

103 Nyet  Mar 13, 2015 12:31:26pm

re: #67 Nyet

One can still see the article listed at the UK site too, it just redirects to another one:

uk.businessinsider.com

Journamalism!

Amanda Macias
Amanda works on the front page of Business Insider. She started her journalism career as a reporter for the NBC affiliate KOMU-TV in Columbia, Missouri. Before moving to New York, she worked as a field producer for Reuters in Brussels covering NATO and EU political institutions.

Amanda graduated from the University of Missouri-School of Journalism. She lives in Manhattan with her spoiled cat named Harlem.

104 A Cranky One  Mar 13, 2015 12:31:28pm

re: #101 Justanotherhuman

You hear him howling around your kitchen door
You better not let him in
Little old lady got mutilated late last night

Now I’m hungry for a big dish of beef chow mein.

105 b_sharp  Mar 13, 2015 12:32:29pm

Now, was that a piece of lung I just hacked up or left over breakfast?

106 goddamnedfrank  Mar 13, 2015 12:32:51pm

The thing is Norquist really has done a great deal of damage to the conservative cause. He managed to either bully or con so many Republican officeholders into signing his ridiculous pledge that the Party has effectively painted itself into an absolutist corner. You saw this in the 2012 GOP debates when not one candidate would even hypothetically agree to a ten to one spending cuts to tax increase budget balancing proposal. That really helped sell the idea that all Republicans are just fucking insane fundamentalist zealots totally uninterested in practical solutions.

107 Drive By Commenter  Mar 13, 2015 12:32:58pm

re: #66 goddamnedfrank

I’ll bet Glenn Beck was a nicer guy when he was doing boatloads of drugs and drinking himself into nightly comas. Vile feeding on vile feeding on vile.

108 Nyet  Mar 13, 2015 12:34:10pm

re: #103 Nyet

But of course the idiot’s article is now at yahoo: finance.yahoo.com

109 Nyet  Mar 13, 2015 12:34:32pm

re: #105 b_sharp

Now, was that a piece of lung I just hacked up or left over breakfast?

Is there a contradiction?

110 goddamnedfrank  Mar 13, 2015 12:35:18pm

re: #108 Nyet

But of course the idiot’s article is now at yahoo: finance.yahoo.com

Why won’t you just admit that’s a Putin Realdoll?

111 HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2015 12:35:32pm

re: #106 goddamnedfrank

The thing is Norquist really has done a great deal of damage to the conservative cause. He managed to either bully or con so many Republican officeholders into signing his ridiculous pledge that the Party has effectively painted itself into an absolutist corner. You saw this in the 2012 GOP debates when not one candidate would support even hypothetically agree to a ten to one spending cuts to tax increase budget balancing proposal. That really helped sell the idea that all Republicans are just fucking insane fundamentalist zealots totally uninterested in practical solutions.

Not to mention the shallow no taxes pledges that they know if they don’t sign, Grover’s PAC will come down hard against them in a primary. Norquist may be being unfairly targeted here and it does suck because it’s plain old bigotry that motivates it but he’s still as you illustrate a big part of the problem in the conservative political community.

112 Zamb  Mar 13, 2015 12:36:39pm

re: #106 goddamnedfrank

The thing is Norquist really has done a great deal of damage to the conservative cause. He managed to either bully or con so many Republican officeholders into signing his ridiculous pledge that the Party has effectively painted itself into an absolutist corner. You saw this in the 2012 GOP debates when not one candidate would support even hypothetically agree to a ten to one spending cuts to tax increase budget balancing proposal. That really helped sell the idea that all Republicans are just fucking insane fundamentalist zealots totally uninterested in practical solutions.

You know i was never of the belief that it was simply Norquist behind the refusal to raise taxes. Raising taxes has been the central line of attack against dems for years, it inevitably became impossible for any conservative to support the concept with or without some pledge.

113 HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2015 12:37:00pm

re: #100 Dr. Matt

AH! Ok, I misunderstood Becky. I thought he was saying that the Left sided with Norquist. But, yes, I completely agree with you that Norquist’s anti-government/anti-tax rhetoric had a lot of influence at one time….and likely some even today.

I actually do to some degree feel bad for Grover since the only reason they’re going after him is because his wife is the wrong religion to them. Bigotry is bigotry after all but at the same time, as Frank points out, he’s a big part of the problem with conservatives.

114 Timothy Watson  Mar 13, 2015 12:38:17pm

re: #110 goddamnedfrank

Why won’t you just admit that’s a Putin Realdoll?

Lies, HYDRA sold Russia one of S.H.I.E.L.D.’s Life Model Decoys.

115 HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2015 12:39:00pm

re: #112 Zamb

You know i was never of the belief that it was simply Norquist behind the refusal to raise taxes. Raising taxes has been the central line of attack against dems for years, it inevitably became impossible for any conservative to support the concept with or without some pledge.

It’s never been simply Norquist. The Dems are tax raisers goes back to before most or hell all of us were born but what Grover has done is organized it to the point where any tax increase you vote is cause to be labeled a tax raising spend-o-crat. He’s played a great role in eradicating the few actual fiscally conservative Republicans from elected offices. Read, ones that actually could admit that sometimes tax increases however unfortunate they may be have some necessity.

116 Justanotherhuman  Mar 13, 2015 12:39:29pm

Stephen Jones on SAE, live presser.

nbcnews.com

117 lawhawk  Mar 13, 2015 12:40:24pm

re: #116 Justanotherhuman

118 Justanotherhuman  Mar 13, 2015 12:40:43pm

Stephen Jones just said, “racial epitats”. S/B epithets.

119 Kragar  Mar 13, 2015 12:41:25pm

May the WAAAAAAGH be with you.

Never played Orks, but they are fun models to work with.

120 Dr. Matt  Mar 13, 2015 12:42:32pm

Quite a funny dichotomy regarding the Beck-Norquist “story”:

The Zombie Breibarts are pro-Beck and anti-Norquist
The WNDers are largely anti-Beck and pro-rambling lunacy.

121 Justanotherhuman  Mar 13, 2015 12:43:05pm

Or did he mean, “epitaphs”?

122 Nyet  Mar 13, 2015 12:43:15pm

At least this argument isn’t so obviously wrong:

(That’s a clock that allegedly was presented to Kadyrov a few days ago being present on Putin’s desk again.)

123 wrenchwench  Mar 13, 2015 12:43:55pm
124 Justanotherhuman  Mar 13, 2015 12:46:49pm

So here’s what I think happened: The rich parents of those SAE racists have hired Jones to get their kids back in school, because now, they may have some problems being accepted any place except Liberty U or Patrick Henry. Well, Bob Jones, too. Their little angels are going to have a rough time where their kind of behavior isn’t accepted.

125 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 13, 2015 12:47:16pm

re: #113 HappyWarrior

I actually do to some degree feel bad for Grover since the only reason they’re going after him is because his wife is the wrong religion to them. Bigotry is bigotry after all but at the same time, as Frank points out, he’s a big part of the problem with conservatives.

I feel bad for his wife. Grover Norquist can fuck right off. He’s been playing with piranhas for years.

126 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 13, 2015 12:48:09pm

re: #123 wrenchwench

The Persecution and Assassination of Jean-Paul Marat as Performed by the Inmates of the Asylum of Charenton Under the Direction of the Marquis de Sade …

127 lawhawk  Mar 13, 2015 12:49:09pm

re: #122 Nyet

That we’re having the “where’s Putin?” discussion speaks volumes to the instability within the Russian government and that it’s worse than a house of cards should things go south.

That we’re seeing “is he dead” stories also shows just how screwed up the Russian government is when it comes to openess and legitimacy.

I hereby propose Shrödinger’s Putin: he’s simultaneously alive and dead.

128 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 13, 2015 12:49:13pm

Also, Jane Hamsher cosigned a letter with Grover Norquist a while back. I think that’s “the left” they might be referencing.

129 Nyet  Mar 13, 2015 12:50:22pm

This, frankly, doesn’t sound very solid (“more intensely and genuinely”? who decides?) But anyway:

Research suggesting that political conservatives are happier than political liberals has relied exclusively on self-report measures of subjective well-being. We show that this finding is fully mediated by conservatives’ self-enhancing style of self-report (study 1; N = 1433) and then describe three studies drawing from “big data” sources to assess liberal-conservative differences in happiness-related behavior (studies 2 to 4; N = 4936). Relative to conservatives, liberals more frequently used positive emotional language in their speech and smiled more intensely and genuinely in photographs. Our results were consistent across large samples of online survey takers, U.S. politicians, Twitter users, and LinkedIn users. Our findings illustrate the nuanced relationship between political ideology, self-enhancement, and happiness and illuminate the contradictory ways that happiness differences can manifest across behavior and self-reports.

sciencemag.org

130 jaunte  Mar 13, 2015 12:50:59pm
KFOR News in Oklahoma City reports that a group of students and alums plan to sue the university for calling them racist, in response to video of the members chanting a racist song while on a bus. The fraternity is reportedly “outraged” that Boren shut them down and has hired lawyer Stephen Jones, the man who defended Oklahoma City Bomber Timothy McVeigh.
hollywoodreporter.com
131 Justanotherhuman  Mar 13, 2015 12:51:04pm

Press will not have access to individuals, according to Jones.

He’s going to be their mouthpiece from here on in.

132 jaunte  Mar 13, 2015 12:51:15pm
133 HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2015 12:51:37pm

re: #125 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I feel bad for his wife. Grover Norquist can fuck right off. He’s been playing with piranhas for years.

I know. I just feel for him a smidge because it is his wife. However, you’re right. He knows what he’s involved in.

134 Justanotherhuman  Mar 13, 2015 12:52:12pm

re: #130 jaunte

Interestingly, Jones said his brother had been a member of SAE. Didn’t say which fraternity he had pledged.

135 jaunte  Mar 13, 2015 12:52:25pm

“Caught on camera” racism is “inexcusable.”
Institutional racism brings in the lawyers.

136 HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2015 12:52:45pm

re: #130 jaunte

Didn’t SAE national chapter shut them down and not Boren?

137 Nyet  Mar 13, 2015 12:54:25pm

re: #136 HappyWarrior

Didn’t SAE national chapter shut them down and not Boren?

“Even with the national chapter shutting the Sigma Alpha Epsilon house at the University of Oklahoma, the school president said the university’s affiliation with the fraternity is permanently done as a campus group called for the expulsion of fraternity members.

The members have until midnight Tuesday to get their things out of the house, university President David Boren said in a Monday afternoon news conference.

“The house will be closed, and as far as I’m concerned, they won’t be back,” he said, adding that the university is exploring what actions it can take against individual fraternity members.”

138 Drive By Commenter  Mar 13, 2015 12:55:08pm

re: #125 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I feel bad for his wife. Grover Norquist can fuck right off. He’s been playing with piranhas for years.

Can’t have one without the other. Weather or not you feel sorry for her, she’s part of the package. She eats with that money and spends it too. He throws shit, she gets shit on. His world is her world. Too bad. Grover can piss off and take his wife with him. No sympathy from me.

139 Ace-o-aces  Mar 13, 2015 12:55:54pm

I always thought it was funny how the “Norquist is a Muslim” crowd are basically saying that Norquist is trying to destroy America, but then basically support everything in his agenda.

140 lawhawk  Mar 13, 2015 12:55:58pm

re: #130 jaunte

Not sure that the alums would have standing to sue. What damage have they suffered as a result? The damage is from current SAE members being racists and being caught on tape doing racist stuff. The OU admin then applied the Code of Conduct to their actions, and SAE’s national organization was the one that closed the chapter.

“Sigma Alpha Epsilon’s national headquarters has closed its Oklahoma Kappa chapter at the University of Oklahoma following the discovery of an inappropriate video,” read a statement posted to the fraternity’s Web site. “In addition, all of the members have been suspended, and those members who are responsible for the incident may have their membership privileges revoked permanently. We apologize for the unacceptable and racist behavior of the individuals in the video, and we are disgusted that any member would act in such a way. Furthermore, we are embarrassed by this video and offer our empathy not only to anyone outside the organization who is offended but also to our brothers who come from a wide range of backgrounds, cultures and ethnicities.”

141 Drive By Commenter  Mar 13, 2015 12:57:14pm

re: #140 lawhawk

I think videos like that are like roaches. See one, there are a whole lot more unseen.

142 jaunte  Mar 13, 2015 12:57:26pm

re: #140 lawhawk

I suppose the alums will pick up the tab, to support the members who have standing.

143 HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2015 12:58:07pm

re: #138 Drive By Commenter

Can’t have one without the other. Weather or not you feel sorry for her, she’s part of the package. She eats with that money and spends it too. He throws shit, she gets shit on. His world is her world. Too bad. Grover can piss off and take his wife with him. No sympathy from me.

I feel ya but I think bigotry is bigotry regardless. That said, it really is hard to feel bad for Grover especially since he’s been part of a movement that would gladly fuck over the vast majority of the whole country just so billionaires could get yet another tax cut.

144 Nyet  Mar 13, 2015 12:58:48pm
Lawyer Stephen Jones, who is best known for defending Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh, once ran unsuccessfully for the U.S. Senate against David Boren — who went on to become OU’s president and who shut down the Sigma Alpha Epsilon frat house this week.

nbcnews.com

145 HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2015 12:58:51pm

re: #137 Nyet

“Even with the national chapter shutting the Sigma Alpha Epsilon house at the University of Oklahoma, the school president said the university’s affiliation with the fraternity is permanently done as a campus group called for the expulsion of fraternity members.

The members have until midnight Tuesday to get their things out of the house, university President David Boren said in a Monday afternoon news conference.

“The house will be closed, and as far as I’m concerned, they won’t be back,” he said, adding that the university is exploring what actions it can take against individual fraternity members.”

Ah gotcha.

146 jaunte  Mar 13, 2015 12:58:58pm

Especially if they’re future Masters of the Universe.

147 Nyet  Mar 13, 2015 12:59:41pm

re: #145 HappyWarrior

Basically, SAE closed the chapter temporarily, while Boren seems to have banned them permanently. At least from what I understand.

148 Justanotherhuman  Mar 13, 2015 1:00:21pm

re: #142 jaunte

Isn’t that the way it’s always worked? Pure inbreeding.

149 HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2015 1:00:23pm

re: #147 Nyet

Basically, SAE closed the chapter temporarily, while Boren seems to have banned them permanently. At least from what I understand.

Right so I guess they would have grounds to sue him then.

150 Justanotherhuman  Mar 13, 2015 1:00:58pm

re: #146 jaunte

Nice that Jones calls their vile racism “foolishness”.

151 Drive By Commenter  Mar 13, 2015 1:01:32pm

re: #143 HappyWarrior

It’s his world. So if people in that world are who we know them to be, well WTF did he and she expect? He has kissed the asses of the very people who hold him in contempt for marrying a Muslim. Tough shit. She sleeps with him. can’t separate the two. She ought to try and speak up and make a….Oh that’s right. His world. Nope. Don’t care. I’m no bigot. They are reaping the rewards of being who and where they are, Tough.

152 Kragar  Mar 13, 2015 1:01:33pm
153 HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2015 1:01:35pm

re: #150 Justanotherhuman

Nice that Jones calls their vile racism “foolishness”.

I was going to say just that. We’re not talking about irresponsible underaged drinking. We’re talking about some really fucked up racism.

154 Dr. Matt  Mar 13, 2015 1:01:44pm

re: #147 Nyet

Basically, SAE closed the chapter temporarily, while Boren seems to have banned them permanently. At least from what I understand.

Permanently or indefinitely? Originally I read it as “indefinitely”.

155 Justanotherhuman  Mar 13, 2015 1:02:20pm

I get it that underaged drinking (as they were doing) is foolishness, but racism sure as hell is something they cling to.

156 HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2015 1:02:55pm

re: #151 Drive By Commenter

It’s his world. So if people in that world are who we know them to be, well WTF did he and she expect? He has kissed the asses of the very people who hold him in contempt for marrying a Muslim. Tough shit. She sleeps with him. can’t separate the two. She ought to try and speak up and make a….Oh that’s right. His world. Nope. Don’t care. I’m no bigot. They are reaping the rewards of being who and where they are, Tough.

I don’t entirely disagree. And it’s because of what you say that I don’t have much sympathy for them. I’m 99% that Grover and wife made their own bed with these guys and 1% feeling bad.

157 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 13, 2015 1:03:12pm

re: #149 HappyWarrior

Right so I guess they would have grounds to sue him then.

On what grounds? Does SAE have some sort of right to have a chapter at the university.

158 HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2015 1:03:15pm

re: #155 Justanotherhuman

I get it that underaged drinking (as they were doing) is foolishness, but racism sure as hell is something they cling to.

Talking about hanging n-words from trees isn’t foolishness.

159 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 13, 2015 1:03:18pm

re: #138 Drive By Commenter

Can’t have one without the other. Weather or not you feel sorry for her, she’s part of the package. She eats with that money and spends it too. He throws shit, she gets shit on. His world is her world. Too bad. Grover can piss off and take his wife with him. No sympathy from me.

Eh, I kinda disagree. I don’t know what his wife does. If she’s as bad as he is, then yeat, but *her religion* shouldn’t be the determinant factor. If she’s as much of a douchnozzle as he is (see Clarence Thomas’ wife) then that’s one thing. But if she’s just living quietly, that’s another.

Also, it’s coming from the Glenn Becks of the world. Fuck that shit.

160 Nyet  Mar 13, 2015 1:04:08pm

re: #154 Dr. Matt

“The house will be closed, and as far as I’m concerned, they won’t be back,”

161 HappyWarrior  Mar 13, 2015 1:04:22pm

re: #157 Higgs Boson’s Mate

On what grounds? Does SAE have some sort of right to have a chapter at the university.

You may be right about that upon further thought. In any case, I think Boren followed the law. The guy isn’t stupid.

162 jaunte  Mar 13, 2015 1:05:07pm

re: #155 Justanotherhuman

I get it that underaged drinking (as they were doing) is foolishness, but racism sure as hell is something they cling to.

Part of that “SAE pride” in being an organization that goes back to antebellum days. Old times there are not forgotten.

163 Drive By Commenter  Mar 13, 2015 1:05:21pm

re: #156 HappyWarrior

I look at feeling sorry for her like I would feel sorry for the woman in an abusive marriage who got beat for the 10th time. What did you expect after the first time? Get out. Leave. Make Grover say something. Nah. Money, baby, money.

164 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 13, 2015 1:05:30pm

re: #161 HappyWarrior

You may be right about that upon further thought. In any case, I think Boren followed the law. The guy isn’t stupid.

Not to mention he probably had a team of lawyers look through that before he pulled the trigger.

165 Justanotherhuman  Mar 13, 2015 1:06:32pm

re: #157 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Seems to me the univ has the right to shut down any and all fraternities and sororities if they so desired. They certainly can shut down other clubs if they clash with the prerogatives and rules of the univ.

166 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 13, 2015 1:06:36pm

re: #163 Drive By Commenter

I look at feeling sorry for her like I would feel sorry for the woman in an abusive marriage who got beat for the 10th time. What did you expect after the first time? Get out. Leave. Make Grover say something. Nah. Money, baby, money.

Wow, you really don’t know an awful lot about the dynamics of abusive relationships, do you.

167 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 13, 2015 1:06:44pm

re: #163 Drive By Commenter

I look at feeling sorry for her like I would feel sorry for the woman in an abusive marriage who got beat for the 10th time. What did you expect after the first time? Get out. Leave. Make Grover say something. Nah. Money, baby, money.

Assuming you know how he is at home. (FML, I’m making a tangential defense of Grover Norquist - I need a shower.)

168 Nyet  Mar 13, 2015 1:06:50pm

re: #161 HappyWarrior

You may be right about that upon further thought. In any case, I think Boren followed the law. The guy isn’t stupid.

Being smart sometimes means going against the law knowing the outcome is worth it (or brings not so much harm).

PR-wise it was exactly the right move for OU and Boren, with possible small financial losses [if they happen to lose] incalculably smaller than those they would have incurred by letting these guys stay and supporting them.

169 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 13, 2015 1:07:03pm

re: #146 jaunte

The “foolishness” of those young men appears to have gone on for one hell of a lot longer than five minutes. There’s no way that they just got drunk, just this one time, and just happened to briefly turn into racists.

170 Justanotherhuman  Mar 13, 2015 1:08:27pm

re: #166 klys (maker of Silmarils)

But sleeping with the “enemy” isn’t the smartest thing to do.

171 BeachDem  Mar 13, 2015 1:08:30pm

re: #86 makeitstop

Their ‘big tent’ has gotten small enough to drown in a bathtub.
/

Does this mean that if the NRA “investigation” tells the wingnuts that Grover is no longer one of them that they can all unsign the Pledge? I’m so confused.

172 wrenchwench  Mar 13, 2015 1:08:42pm

re: #163 Drive By Commenter

I look at feeling sorry for her like I would feel sorry for the woman in an abusive marriage who got beat for the 10th time. What did you expect after the first time? Get out. Leave. Make Grover say something. Nah. Money, baby, money.

There may be 1,000 reasons not to leave. You don’t have to feel sorry for her, but you are not in a position to judge her.

173 Drive By Commenter  Mar 13, 2015 1:13:19pm

re: #166 klys (maker of Silmarils)

re: #167 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Abusive relationships stem from a lot of things. And many things make the woman stay. But the fact remains. What did you expect? I’ve had family members that suffered. I am not making light of that horror. I just see no reason to say “poor her” after what her husband has managed to do to so many politicians and by doing that, our nation. There. Rant off. Maybe Grover is a loving father. So am I. And I don’t make my living attempting to strong arm people into buying into a idealized nightmare. For money.

174 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 13, 2015 1:13:22pm

Beck is only just now “concerned” that Grover is a secret Muslim?

That is such old, old news (from 2013):

Cathie Adams Finds Proof Grover Norquist is a Secret Muslim: ‘As You See, He Has a Beard’ - See more at: rightwingwatch.org

175 Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 13, 2015 1:13:29pm

re: #1 Kragar

Using that logic, one cannot drown in water or burn in a fire because God gave it to us.

Uranium can’t possibly be used to blow up cities because God gave to to us…

176 WhatEVs  Mar 13, 2015 1:13:34pm

re: #52 Nyet

“It’s you who are ignorant! I read all 66!”

All 66 or all 666.

This thread and all. :-)

177 makeitstop  Mar 13, 2015 1:14:11pm

re: #171 BeachDem

Does this mean that if the NRA “investigation” tells the wingnuts that Grover is no longer one of them that they can all unsign the Pledge? I’m so confused.

That pledge will never be unsigned. It’s become a pre-requisite for running for office as a Republican.

178 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 13, 2015 1:14:12pm

re: #172 wrenchwench

Norquist’s wife probably sees something in him that no one else can see: a decent person.

179 Justanotherhuman  Mar 13, 2015 1:14:26pm

Editor’s note: The Wall Street Journal quotes an analyst at Conifer Securities saying the dollar’s strength is sapping the stock market. ‘This whole move is being driven by one thing and one thing only, and that’s the dollar,’ said Rick Fier. ‘It’s going to crush earnings. You’re not going to get any sort of outlook that’s any good.’ - Tom
end of note

Translation: A strong dollar is good for the consumer, saving them money and making their paycheck go further.

Therefore, it is bad for investors’ dividends, billionaires’ revenues, and our commissions.

180 Drive By Commenter  Mar 13, 2015 1:14:49pm

re: #172 wrenchwench

Not judging. She is his and he is hers. In that world she gets shit on.

181 Drive By Commenter  Mar 13, 2015 1:15:11pm

re: #178 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Norquist’s wife probably sees something in him that no one else can see: a decent person.

I wish he would show that side to us.

182 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 13, 2015 1:16:58pm

As far as I’m concerned, Norquist’s wife is like Upchuck’s: why the fuck do we need to talk about her motives for being in the marriage anyway?

What is disgusting here is that the right-wing is so intolerant that they can’t believe that someone married to a Muslim can be trusted in anything. But instead the discussion has devolved into “well I’m not going to feel sorry for her because she’s choosing to stay married to him because he has money.”

Seriously. WTF, guys.

183 Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 13, 2015 1:16:58pm

re: #119 Kragar

May the WAAAAAAGH be with you.

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Never played Orks, but they are fun models to work with.

I have to have one of those. Where did you get the pic initially.

184 Justanotherhuman  Mar 13, 2015 1:17:42pm

re: #178 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Maybe she’s learned to compartmentalize as much as he does.

185 Kragar  Mar 13, 2015 1:18:36pm
186 WhatEVs  Mar 13, 2015 1:19:41pm

re: #84 Zamb

What the fuck do Muslims have to do with gun rights and safety?

It’s all about who has the influence.

187 Kragar  Mar 13, 2015 1:20:03pm

re: #183 Aunty Entity Dragon

I have to have one of those. Where did you get the pic initially.

Game Workshop Conversions on Facebook

facebook.com

188 lawhawk  Mar 13, 2015 1:20:40pm
189 Nyet  Mar 13, 2015 1:25:24pm

This “represented McVeigh” thing is getting tiresome. I guess it’s an aperitif before we start seeing “Hillary defended a child rapist!” headlines a little bit later. That’s what lawyers do, represent the accused. The media should get over it.

190 EPR-radar  Mar 13, 2015 1:27:07pm

re: #179 Justanotherhuman

Editor’s note: The Wall Street Journal quotes an analyst at Conifer Securities saying the dollar’s strength is sapping the stock market. ‘This whole move is being driven by one thing and one thing only, and that’s the dollar,’ said Rick Fier. ‘It’s going to crush earnings. You’re not going to get any sort of outlook that’s any good.’ - Tom
end of note

Translation: A strong dollar is good for the consumer, saving them money and making their paycheck go further.

Therefore, it is bad for investors’ dividends, billionaires’ revenues, and our commissions.

This has been a common pattern for some time now. Good news for the Main Street economy is bad news for Wall Street, and vice versa.

This suggests the needs for fundamental reform of our economy, which of course is completely impossible as long as US politics consists exclusively of trying to prevent the GOP wrecking crew from effing everything up.

191 EPR-radar  Mar 13, 2015 1:28:34pm

re: #182 klys (maker of Silmarils)

As far as I’m concerned, Norquist’s wife is like Upchuck’s: why the fuck do we need to talk about her motives for being in the marriage anyway?

What is disgusting here is that the right-wing is so intolerant that they can’t believe that someone married to a Muslim can be trusted in anything. But instead the discussion has devolved into “well I’m not going to feel sorry for her because she’s choosing to stay married to him because he has money.”

Seriously. WTF, guys.

I agree. Splash damage like this is seriously not cool.

192 makeitstop  Mar 13, 2015 1:28:48pm

re: #188 lawhawk

Sigma Alpha Epsilon considers legal action, hires lawyer who represented Timothy McVeigh

Is it me, or is that headline just about completely wrong?

193 Nyet  Mar 13, 2015 1:30:48pm

re: #192 makeitstop

Is it me, or is that headline just about completely wrong?

What’s wrong with it?

194 WhatEVs  Mar 13, 2015 1:31:31pm

re: #139 Ace-o-aces

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I always thought it was funny how the “Norquist is a Muslim” crowd are basically saying that Norquist is trying to destroy America, but then basically support everything in his agenda.

Well, they’re right. He is trying to destroy America. Just not how they think.

195 ObserverArt  Mar 13, 2015 1:40:31pm

re: #37 b_sharp

No Nothing?

I don’t no, he could be write!

196 ObserverArt  Mar 13, 2015 1:46:40pm

re: #84 Zamb

What the fuck do Muslims have to do with gun rights and safety?

POLITICS!

(Sorry if I am late with comment…peddling to catch up)

197 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Mar 13, 2015 2:12:59pm

small list of things “God Gave to Us”

1. Sun’s Radiation. No need for sun screen. Let’s let skin cancer run amok! hurrah!

2. Cosmic Rays. No need for an atmosphere and Ozone layer. God will take care of all that invisible death from space.

3. Lead. there’s so much of it available here on Earth, how could God have possibly have meant it to be anything other than for cooking utensils and dinner plates?

4. Rats. enough said.

5. really… this is so stupid, is there any reason to go on? and on?

198 Swift2991  Mar 13, 2015 3:32:34pm

God also gave us arsenic. I guess you can swallow a pound of it, ‘cause He put it there.

Even an ex-Catholic can spot the Sin of Presumption.

199 lostlakehiker  Mar 14, 2015 8:55:33am

The post claims that these two statements are effectively the same:

Wood (which is apparently also the material his head is made of) is also convinced the sea level isn’t rising despite what those egghead scientists are trying to trick us into believing.

and

“The impact on the level of the sea…is equivalent to the difference in this piece of paper,” he said, holding up a single sheet of paper. “For me, that is not good science. That is not a good reason to implement this provision on the people of Florida.”

They are not. The second statement, the one Wood actually made, claims that the impact [of Florida’s complying with CO2 emissions controls] on sea level [is the thickness of a sheet of paper].

It’s probably less. That’s the whole thing about the tragedy of the commons. The grass doesn’t actually get cropped all that more severely because Farmer Wood’s sheep are grazing there. It is the collective effect of not just Farmer Wood and his Florida flock, but of China, India, Germany, California, Texas, New York, Brazil, and so on, that drives sea level rise. Currently, levels are rising about 3 mm a year. The US share of global CO2 emissions is somewhere in the vicinity of 20 percent. Florida’s share of that share just might be 10 percent. And the reduction in emissions that Florida could likely achieve? 25 percent, tops. Near term, anyhow. So the cuts that Wood is talking about would amount to 1/2 of 1 percent of 3 mm per year. Over the course of fifty years, that’d be less than one millimeter.

Wood’s “thickness of a sheet of paper” isn’t that far off the mark. His error is a different one. He doesn’t get it that enough sheets of paper make a book. Florida isn’t the only player, and tragedies of the commons involve more than one flock. The grass dies whether or not any of the farmers get it. And sea level rise rates aren’t going to remain fixed. They’re already faster than they used to be, and momentum is gathering.

It’s important, when criticizing other people’s logic, to get one’s own straight. Wood’s error is not the error he’s charged with. It’s still a big mistake, but in debate, invective only counts before already favorably disposed audiences. Winning over unbelievers requires a more accurate style of argumentation.

200 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Mar 14, 2015 9:03:54am

re: #77 Dr. Matt

…which goes to prove the phenomenon of eventual extremist group splinterization. As extreme as the modern NRA has evolved to be, it is still not extreme enough for loons like Glen Beck. The “take my ball and go home” mindset is palpable in these radical movements.

201 lostlakehiker  Mar 14, 2015 9:40:08am

re: #190 EPR-radar

This has been a common pattern for some time now. Good news for the Main Street economy is bad news for Wall Street, and vice versa.

This suggests the needs for fundamental reform of our economy, which of course is completely impossible as long as US politics consists exclusively of trying to prevent the GOP wrecking crew from effing everything up.

re: #194 WhatEVs

Well, they’re right. He is trying to destroy America. Just not how they think.

Huh? The “Right” is on the whole against inflation. More often, arguments for more inflation come from the “Left”. Paul Krugman, for instance.

Low inflation is always bad for somebody. Debtors come to mind, but also those who would like to sell abroad. Or cater to foreign tourists.

Other business interests (Walmart comes to mind) are surely OK with a strong dollar. Some political issues don’t break clean along party lines.


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