GOP State Rep. Harris Exploited Foster Daughter for Political Campaign, Reportedly Whipped Children

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The story of Justin Harris just keeps getting worse:

State Rep. Justin Harris (R-West Fork) used photos of a foster child his family was planning to adopt during his 2012 re-election campaign. The state Department of Human Services expressly prohibits the public use of photos or any other media that would compromise a foster child’s anonymity.

Asked whether the Department of Human Services was aware Harris was using a foster child in campaign materials, DHS spokesperson Amy Webb said she couldn’t comment specifically on Harris, but speaking generally, she said the agency would not allow such use.

“If we were made aware of a situation like you described, we would immediately call the foster or pre-adoptive parent and tell him to discontinue using the picture on any campaign material. We would not be comfortable with a foster child’s picture being used during a campaign. [DHS’s Office of Policy and Legal Services, which according to department rules, has to approve public use of any media featuring a foster child] would not agree to that either.”

It’s hard to believe that no one in DHS was aware that Harris was using photos of a foster child during pre-adoption, considering these were campaign materials distributed in Harris’ district and made available online.

More: Justin Harris Used Foster Daughter in Campaign Materials, Against DHS Rules

At the same time, they were subjecting the children to mental and physical abuse:

During the state police inquiry on Francis, the youngest of the girls, then 3 years old, told investigators that Marsha and Justin Harris had both spanked her.

Marsha Harris, according to the girl, used some sort of whip several times, while Justin Harris bent her over outside and hit her with a stick, court records said.

“She said that [parents are] not supposed to spank her,” state police investigators wrote. “[The girl] said it made her feel sad when Marsha [Harris] spanked her. It made her bottom hurt … [She said she is] not [living with the Harrises] anymore because [Justin Harris] spanked her and she cried really loud.”

The state police reports do not indicate when the spanking occurred.

DHS spokesman Amy Webb said corporal punishment is not condoned or permitted by DHS for children in DHS custody. She said all foster parents and foster-to-adoption parents undergo training and instruction on not using physical forms of discipline and are taught alternative disciplinary tactics.

“We feel like there are more appropriate ways to discipline and interact with children, especially children who’ve experienced traumatic situations,” Webb said.

Webb said the agency has no say over a parent’s disciplinary techniques once children are fully adopted, but she said her agency encourages adoptive parents to refrain from spanking.

The older of the two girls, who was 6 years old when she told state police that Francis had sexually assaulted her, did not mention spanking before asking to end the interview.

She did, however, tell investigators that she was often left isolated in her room while living with the Harris family.

“[She] said that they wouldn’t let her out of her room. She said she had to stay in her room; she said she had her books, but when they took away her books she had nothing in there, just her bed,” the investigator said. “When asked why she had to move away from Marsha’s house, she said ‘because I didn’t like it.’”

Additional:

The Arkansas Times, the newspaper which has been the primary source for news on the case, is crowdfunding an investigation into the state’s child welfare services:

Beyond rehoming: crowdfunding an investigative project

UPDATED:

Reports are now out there saying Harris would attempt to “exorcise” students at his pre-school, Growing God’s Kingdom

The former employee and mother of a student at the school wants to be named only as Amber. She says Justin and Marsha Harris would often try to pray the demons out of misbehaving students at their pre-school, Growing God’s Kingdom.

“If they got in too much trouble they would pray on the kids, do a circle around them, put their hands on their heads, saying, trying to rebuke demons.” Said former employee, Amber.

Amber was an employee at Growing God’s Kingdom for about five months in 2013. She says Justin Harris fired her after a difference in opinion on how to discipline students. Though she says she learned a lot about the Harris family during those five months.

“How did you learn about the fact that they were praying demons out of kids?” Lauren Conley asked Amber.

“Well, I had another teacher there that had me take a child down to the office and whenever I did, they did it right there in front of me.” Said Amber.

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615 comments
1 stpaulbear  Mar 14, 2015 12:11:18pm

I hope this story keeps getting wider and wider attention even as his conservative colleagues continue to dig themselves deeper and deeper into defending him. This needs to take a whole lot of people out with it when it blows up.

I hope these fuckers don’t win.

2 stpaulbear  Mar 14, 2015 12:30:09pm
Harris declined an interview request from the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette on Wednesday and Thursday.

But in a text message late Thursday, he denied all of the assertions, saying that he and his wife are award-winning child-care professionals and that they follow Department of Human Services guidelines on child discipline.

Award Winning!!

3 Kragar  Mar 14, 2015 12:37:09pm

re: #2 stpaulbear

Award Winning!!

Let me guess: They got a Christian “attaboy” plaque

4 meteor  Mar 14, 2015 12:51:43pm

Was the award from Satan?

5 Eigth Immortal  Mar 14, 2015 2:30:32pm

re: #4 meteor

Shit, it could be. At this point if Dr. Doom got involved I wouldn’t be surprised.

6 Uraniabce  Mar 14, 2015 2:54:21pm

The Arkansas Time is crowdunding an investigation. They simply don’t have the resources to dig into this as deeply as it needs to be.

Link
Here’s the link to the actual fund raising page.

Link

I hope they get flooded with donations. This stinks to high heaven. Harris should be thrown in jail, and his so called school shut down.

7 Kragar  Mar 14, 2015 3:17:36pm

re: #6 Uraniabce

The Arkansas Time is crowdunding an investigation. They simply don’t have the resources to dig into this as deeply as it needs to be.

Link
Here’s the link to the actual fund raising page.

Link

I hope they get flooded with donations. This stinks to high heaven. Harris should be thrown in jail, and his so called school shut down.

They’re already $1k over their goal.

8 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 14, 2015 4:54:26pm

re: #7 Kragar

They’re already $1k over their goal.

Fucking A! Nice to see some real journalism in America for a change.

9 Justanotherhuman  Mar 14, 2015 5:56:10pm

Gawd, I hope these people go to prison. What they did to all 3 of those girls was just inhumane.

10 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 14, 2015 5:57:16pm

re: #6 Uraniabce

The Arkansas Time is crowdunding an investigation. They simply don’t have the resources to dig into this as deeply as it needs to be.

Link
Here’s the link to the actual fund raising page.

Link

I hope they get flooded with donations. This stinks to high heaven. Harris should be thrown in jail, and his so called school shut down.

FWIW, the Arkansas Times is making enough money to support its reportorial tasks. I guarantee an analyst would support this. What they are *not* making is enough to support their reporting AND their shareholder expectations. It’s that way with every newspaper in the country these days.

11 Targetpractice  Mar 14, 2015 5:57:41pm

I think it’s a sign of how cynical I’ve become about Republican politics that I just can’t bring myself to get worked up over a deeper investigation. No matter how much evidence there is here of a crime, the man is likely going to slide. Too much momentum is already there to dump everything on the Francises and DHS so as to act as if Harris is the “victim” in all of this.

12 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mar 14, 2015 5:58:03pm

OT: Charles, I just tried to upload an image using IE 11 on WIndows 8 and got a page of all text that looked like this (several times):

{“success”:true,”tweetFlag”:false,”imageUrl”:”http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/img/hercules_grytpype-thynne/2015/03/14/lyme-ticks.jpg”,”imageName”:”lyme-ticks.jpg”,”originalImageWidth”:500,”originalImageHeight”:334,”scaledImageWidth”:500,”scaledImageHeight”:334,”fileSize”:26246,”fileTime”:1426380920,”fileDate”:”Saturday, March 14, 2015 at 5:55 pm PDT”,”thumbWidth”:200,”thumbHeight”:134,”smallUrl”:”http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/img/hercules_grytpype-thynne/2015/03/14/lyme-ticks.240.jpg”,”smallName”:”lyme-ticks.240.jpg”,”smallWidth”:240,”smallHeight”:160,”smallerUrl”:”http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/img/hercules_grytpype-thynne/2015/03/14/lyme-ticks.125.jpg”,”smallerName”:”lyme-ticks.125.jpg”,”smallerWidth”:125,”smallerHeight”:84}

Uploading the same image works just fine in Firefox.

13 Nyet  Mar 14, 2015 5:58:48pm

Is this the family from The Arkansas Chainsaw Massacre?

14 b_sharp  Mar 14, 2015 5:59:16pm

re: #12 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

OT: Charles, I just tried to upload an image using IE 11 on WIndows 8 and got a page of all text that looked like this (several times):

Uploading the same image works just fine in Firefox.

Well then, stop using IE.

15 jaunte  Mar 14, 2015 5:59:33pm
“…Cheryl and Craig Hart, an experienced foster couple who housed Mary and Annie for a year and a half before their adoption by the Harrises, said they tried to talk the Harrises out of adopting the sisters. The Harts said that a local team working on the adoption — including themselves, DHS caseworkers, adoption specialists, CASA (Court Appointed Special Advocates) and therapists from Ozark Guidance, a mental health provider — made the Harrises fully aware of the girls’ history of neglect and sexual abuse and cautioned them that they were unprepared to handle children from such a background, especially considering their home included young boys. The former DHS employee confirmed this account.”
………….
“…The Harrises believed the girls were possessed by demons and could communicate telepathically, Goldsborough said. Harris and his wife once hired specialists to perform an “exorcism” on the two sisters while she waited outside the house with the boys, she said.”
arktimes.com
16 Dark_Falcon  Mar 14, 2015 5:59:44pm

re: #2 stpaulbear

Award Winning!!

Just like Chuckles. Maybe he should ask for an exclusive interview. They might be dumb enough to give it to him.

17 b_sharp  Mar 14, 2015 6:00:41pm

re: #12 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

OT: Charles, I just tried to upload an image using IE 11 on WIndows 8 and got a page of all text that looked like this (several times):

Uploading the same image works just fine in Firefox.

Eventually IE will catch up to the rest of the browsers.

18 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 14, 2015 6:01:42pm

re: #17 b_sharp

Eventually IE will catch up to the rest of the browsers.

See, now that is irrational ;)

19 b_sharp  Mar 14, 2015 6:05:26pm

re: #18 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

See, now that is irrational ;)

I tried to square it with what’s real.

20 Targetpractice  Mar 14, 2015 6:06:16pm

re: #17 b_sharp

Eventually IE will catch up to the rest of the browsers.

Internet Exploder used to be the standard, now it’s the little kid who’s constantly playing catch-up. “Wait for me, fellas, I can do tabbed browsing now too!”

21 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 14, 2015 6:06:21pm

re: #19 b_sharp

I tried to square it with what’s real.

And you see how that worked out.

22 goddamnedfrank  Mar 14, 2015 6:06:46pm
23 Kragar  Mar 14, 2015 6:07:38pm

re: #11 Targetpractice

I refuse to give these people the slightest benefit of the doubt or an inch of leeway

24 Charles Johnson  Mar 14, 2015 6:08:09pm

re: #12 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Internet Explorer. The bane of my existence. Still sucking after all these years.

25 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 14, 2015 6:08:16pm

re: #20 Targetpractice

Internet Exploder used to be the standard, now it’s the little kid who’s constantly playing catch-up. “Wait for me, fellas, I can do tabbed browsing now too!”

When was IE ever the standard? It seems like now they’re at the point of waving their hands and going “look at me! look at me!” because they shit all over standards for a decade.

Am I wrong here?

26 Charles Johnson  Mar 14, 2015 6:09:13pm

re: #12 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

By the way, that’s the JSON response from a successful upload. You’re not supposed to see it, but IE has apparently found yet another way to suck.

27 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 14, 2015 6:09:39pm

re: #22 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

Okay, he’s switched from bourbon to PCP? I mean, WTF, Chuck? There is nastier crowdfunding. It was called the silk road at one time.

Geez this guy is a fuckin’ idiot.

28 b.d.  Mar 14, 2015 6:11:50pm

Internet and computer genius fails miserably again:

Edward Snowden’s speech was ruined by a bunch of random people that joined in on his video call

Read more: businessinsider.com

Edward Snowden tried to take part in a panel discussion at a technology conference on Saturday — but was left embarrassed when his video call was repeatedly interrupted.
//
First up was a man sitting on his bed, who started laughing when he realised that he was on a video call with Edward Snowden. It looked like he was chatting to someone on the phone, too. Snowden joked about the unexpected visitor, remarking “I see a guy in his bed.”
//
…then the visitor unmuted his microphone to talk and his phone started loudly ringing, drowning out Snowden’s comments.
//
But then someone else joined the video call. They seemed surprised to be there, shouting “holy sh*t!”
//
Snowden looked annoyed. He was in the middle of a key point, and suddenly someone had appeared on the call and swore at him.

what a loser

29 Justanotherhuman  Mar 14, 2015 6:11:55pm

Guess who’s defending Justin Harris? Mark Martin,AR Secy of State.

Who’s To Blame For Godly Justin Harris Dumping His ‘Demonic’ Kids? People Like You

Read more at wonkette.com

Rebecca goes straight on this one.

30 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 14, 2015 6:12:16pm

To be semi-serious for a few moments, someone should track the posting times of his tweets. If they are all at the same times of day, it would be possible to deduce he was using a service like Buffer. If not, then he has a weird ass sleep/tweet pattern.

31 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 14, 2015 6:13:04pm

re: #28 b.d.

Internet and computer genius fails miserably again:

what a loser

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Made my day.

32 Uraniabce  Mar 14, 2015 6:13:54pm

re: #7 Kragar

Huzzah! Yippee! Yeehaw!

33 Justanotherhuman  Mar 14, 2015 6:13:59pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

Internet Explorer. The bane of my existence. Still sucking after all these years.

Haha, my grandson told me never, ever to use IE, even though that’s all this county uses for real estate transactions and sometimes I need that info.

34 Dark_Falcon  Mar 14, 2015 6:14:02pm

re: #28 b.d.

Internet and computer genius fails miserably again:

what a loser

Not a surprise that people want to rain on Snowden’s parade. He’s a smarmy little jerk who decided to get famous by betraying his country.

35 Kragar  Mar 14, 2015 6:14:38pm

re: #29 Justanotherhuman

LOLOL JK JK. Mark Martin, go fuck yourself, and then rot in hell.

She speaks for us all.

36 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 14, 2015 6:15:35pm

re: #28 b.d.

Internet and computer genius fails miserably again:

what a loser

Maybe that’s what happened to Putin—he died laughing.

37 Amory Blaine  Mar 14, 2015 6:15:58pm

Poles Steel for Battle, Fearing Russia Will March on Them Next

For evidence of how much President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia has jangled nerves and provoked anxiety across Eastern Europe, look no farther than the drill held the other day by the Shooters Association.

The paramilitary group, like more than 100 others in Poland, has experienced a sharp spike in membership since Mr. Putin’s forces began meddling in neighboring Ukraine last year.

Thirty students took an oath to defend Poland at all costs, joining nearly 200 other regional members of the association — young men and women, boys and girls — marching in formation around the perimeter of the dusty high school courtyard here. They crossed Polish Army Boulevard and marched into the center of town, sprawling in four long lines along the edge of St. Joseph’s Square.

38 Justanotherhuman  Mar 14, 2015 6:19:07pm

re: #28 b.d.

Heh. This comment:

Look at him closely on Mar 14, 6:48 PM said:
There is no light of humanity behind his eyes. He will be big brother in the end.

Read more: businessinsider.com

39 jaunte  Mar 14, 2015 6:19:20pm

All of this behavior fits together.

Lawmaker Who Rehomed Girls To Rapist Files Bill Designed To Prevent Minors From Getting Abortions

“…A minor, should Harris’ bill become law, would have to jump through an extraordinary number of hoops, including presenting a notarized statement from at least one parent authorizing the abortion. In the case of incestuous rape from a teenaged girl’s father who did not want the abortion, she would be legally required to give birth to her father’s baby. Her only recourse is to petition an Arkansas court to waive the parental consent law, a task most minors couldn’t begin to navigate. And at that point, a judge has tremendous leeway to deny her request.”

40 Skip Intro  Mar 14, 2015 6:19:38pm

WOO-HOO! Looks like we’re going to have a new First Couple in Wingnuttia.

Bristol Palin and Medal of Honor recipient Dakota Meyer engaged

There does seem to be some question about Meyer’s claims, however.

Videos contradict Medal of Honor recipient’s account of Taliban attack

mcclatchydc.com

Maybe Wingnuttia’s new First Victims would be a better title.

41 Dark_Falcon  Mar 14, 2015 6:19:54pm

re: #37 Amory Blaine

Poles Steel for Battle, Fearing Russia Will March on Them Next

The memory of Russia’s depredations in Poland is still vivid there, and it should be.

42 Justanotherhuman  Mar 14, 2015 6:20:25pm

re: #39 jaunte

I hope that bastard rots.

43 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 14, 2015 6:24:29pm

re: #37 Amory Blaine

Poles Steel for Battle, Fearing Russia Will March on Them Next

Well, they turned them back in 1920. Do they have a Pilsudski handy nowadays?

44 Dark_Falcon  Mar 14, 2015 6:24:40pm

re: #40 Skip Intro

Sometimes the stress of combat makes someone remember things wrong, sometimes the video doesn’t show the whole story.

45 Dark_Falcon  Mar 14, 2015 6:25:47pm

re: #43 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well, they turned them back in 1920. Do they have a Pilsudski handy nowadays?

It’s not 1920. We’re actively on the side of Poland this time.

46 Justanotherhuman  Mar 14, 2015 6:29:10pm

re: #44 Dark_Falcon

Or maybe he just juiced up his book to make himself look better?

47 Amory Blaine  Mar 14, 2015 6:30:06pm

Where’s the GOP letter to Putin?

48 Dark_Falcon  Mar 14, 2015 6:30:51pm

re: #46 Justanotherhuman

Or maybe he just juiced up his book to make himself look better?

I ain’t gonna question a Medal of Honor winner’s account of the battle that won him that medal.

49 Targetpractice  Mar 14, 2015 6:32:38pm

re: #47 Amory Blaine

Where’s the GOP letter to Putin?

Sitting in a drawer, gathering dust. Right next to the AUMF the President sent them two months ago.

50 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 14, 2015 6:33:08pm

re: #48 Dark_Falcon

I ain’t gonna question a Medal of Honor winner’s account of the battle that won him that medal.

Why?

There should be corroborating accounts. In fact, someone doesn’t *apply* for a MoH, they get *nominated.*

How about we don’t talk about a nobody from Alaska and her fiancee for a while?

51 Justanotherhuman  Mar 14, 2015 6:37:46pm

re: #48 Dark_Falcon

Actually, he probably just retold it to his ghostwriter, Bing West, an experienced military writer.

en.wikipedia.org

52 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 14, 2015 6:37:47pm

Also, I’m not sure that I’m comfortable with the phrase “won the Medal of Honor.” I’m sure if you asked anyone who won the MoH, you’d find they’d much rather have their mates back. Earned. They earned it.

53 Targetpractice  Mar 14, 2015 6:38:27pm

While I’ve had a bit of a beef with Bill Maher of late, he was totally on target last night:

54 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 14, 2015 6:40:13pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

Internet Explorer. The bane of my existence. Still sucking after all these years.

55 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 14, 2015 6:41:49pm

re: #37 Amory Blaine

Poles Steel for Battle, Fearing Russia Will March on Them Next

You know who else invaded Poland?

56 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 14, 2015 6:43:00pm

re: #55 Eclectic Cyborg

You know who else invaded Poland?

This may be the latest Godwin I’ve ever seen in a thread discussing central Europe. :)

57 stpaulbear  Mar 14, 2015 6:43:12pm

re: #39 jaunte

All of this behavior fits together.

Lawmaker Who Rehomed Girls To Rapist Files Bill Designed To Prevent Minors From Getting Abortions

This guy is just a black hole of…of…shit.
He has no self-awareness whatsoever.
Hey asshole! Here’s a tip. We can all see what you’re doing.

58 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 14, 2015 6:43:43pm

re: #55 Eclectic Cyborg

You know who else invaded Poland?

Every nation in Europe?

59 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 14, 2015 6:43:58pm

re: #57 stpaulbear

This guy is just a black hole of…of…shit.
He has no self-awareness whatsoever.
Hey asshole! Here’s a tip. We can all see what you’re doing.

Unfortunately, we can’t all vote against him. :(

60 Targetpractice  Mar 14, 2015 6:44:55pm

re: #57 stpaulbear

This guy is just a black hole of…of…shit.
He has no self-awareness whatsoever.
Hey asshole! Here’s a tip. We can all see what you’re doing.

And if he was in a blue or even a purple state, I imagine he might be sweating this. But a Republican, in a Republican dominated state, getting caught in some very shady shit? HA! You’d think he won the lottery, because not only is he facing no consequences, he’ll likely stand to profit by further degrading the ability of DHS to stop little shitstains like him from gaming the system in the future.

61 Unabogie  Mar 14, 2015 6:45:16pm

This story has me more incensed than I’ve been for a while. This couple abused not only the 2 girls they sent away to live with the rapist, but many other children as well. News flash: demons aren’t actually real. You should not be allowed to legally tell small children that they are infested with monsters. You should not be legally allowed to perform exorcisms on children. You should not legally be allowed to whip or cane your adopted daughters before sending them away to be the fuck toys of a deranged child molester.

Nothing these people did could possibly be justified in any sane society. This man and his horrible wife should be in prison forever. They are monsters.

And FUCK the Republicans in Arkansas who are defending them.

62 Targetpractice  Mar 14, 2015 6:51:31pm

To give you an idea of how badly the deck is stacked in Republican favor in Arkansas, you can read the description of what happened in adoption court:

“And at the hearing, the ad litem attorney — you know, the one who is representing only the interests of the children — said, ‘When we met less than a couple of days ago, everyone’s recommendation was for these kids to not go to this home. Now, what has happened in the last 24 hours that everyone’s recommendation has changed?’”

“Harris’ face was getting all red,” Cheryl said. “And the ad litem asked him, ‘Did you make calls?’ And he finally said, ‘I did what I had to do to get these girls.’ I expected the judge would [stop the adoption] but she gave them the oldest girl.” The younger two soon followed.

This is a Republican lawmaker who admits in full view of the court that he abused the influence of his office to game the system…and the judge did nothing but give him exactly what he wanted.

63 Kragar  Mar 14, 2015 6:52:45pm

re: #62 Targetpractice

I continue to blame Rutherford B Hayes.

64 Justanotherhuman  Mar 14, 2015 6:52:53pm

Later, Lizards!

Keep calm…and keep the heat on the Harrises.

65 Unabogie  Mar 14, 2015 6:56:56pm

re: #62 Targetpractice

To give you an idea of how badly the deck is stacked in Republican favor in Arkansas, you can read the description of what happened in adoption court:

This is a Republican lawmaker who admits in full view of the court that he abused the influence of his office to game the system…and the judge did nothing but give him exactly what he wanted.

Can minor children file a lawsuit against them? I want to see them ruined in every way.

66 jaunte  Mar 14, 2015 6:57:15pm

Georgia is poised to pass the nation’s harshest “religious freedom” law, allowing discrimination, judicial obstruction, and even domestic violence.
..
The bill, the “Georgia Religious Freedom Restoration Act,” is one of a raft of similar bills (RFRAs, for short) wending their way through state legislatures across the country.

“…Graham says, “We have found cases where people used their religious views as an excuse to impede an investigation into child-endangerment and child-abuse charges. They were not ultimately successful, but they did slow down the investigations.”

With the new law, they would be far better armed. In fact, says Graham, conservative district attorneys in Macon and Marietta have said that the bill would impede investigations and prosecutions of child abuse.”

67 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 14, 2015 6:57:22pm

re: #62 Targetpractice

To give you an idea of how badly the deck is stacked in Republican favor in Arkansas, you can read the description of what happened in adoption court:

This is a Republican lawmaker who admits in full view of the court that he abused the influence of his office to game the system…and the judge did nothing but give him exactly what he wanted.

Arrrggghh. Words cannot describe my wrath. :(

68 makeitstop  Mar 14, 2015 6:57:59pm

re: #39 jaunte

All of this behavior fits together.

In the case of incestuous rape from a teenaged girl’s father who did not want the abortion, she would be legally required to give birth to her father’s baby.

That is fucking insane.

69 Skip Intro  Mar 14, 2015 6:58:06pm

re: #46 Justanotherhuman

Or maybe he just juiced up his book to make himself look better?

This guy.

70 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 14, 2015 6:59:05pm

re: #66 jaunte

And Georgia makes it’s move in the Most Retrograde State of the Union Sweepstakes (tm) - It’s still a ways behind Texas, Arizona, Florida, South Carolina and Alabama’s late sprint.

71 jaunte  Mar 14, 2015 6:59:14pm

re: #69 Skip Intro

Leaving the K off makes it fit for polite company.

72 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 14, 2015 7:00:14pm

re: #69 Skip Intro

This guy.

Embedded Image

You know, that looks an awful lot like the emblem of the Zodiac Killer. I’m not saying. I’m just saying.

73 Targetpractice  Mar 14, 2015 7:02:48pm

re: #39 jaunte

All of this behavior fits together.

Lawmaker Who Rehomed Girls To Rapist Files Bill Designed To Prevent Minors From Getting Abortions

re: #66 jaunte

Georgia is poised to pass the nation’s harshest “religious freedom” law, allowing discrimination, judicial obstruction, and even domestic violence.
..
The bill, the “Georgia Religious Freedom Restoration Act,” is one of a raft of similar bills (RFRAs, for short) wending their way through state legislatures across the country.

Both bills presenting, once again, evidence that Republicans only care about children until they leave the womb, at which point they’re SOL.

74 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 14, 2015 7:03:39pm

re: #71 jaunte

Leaving the K off makes it fit for polite company.

It was funny, I was watching one of those Top 10 sites for movies earlier today, and they’d let the actors say “shit,” “piss,” “cock,” etc., but they’d bleep out fuck.”

I was thinking, “Really?!?!” Because that one word is going to ruin your kid?

75 BeenHereAwhile  Mar 14, 2015 7:05:24pm

OT but interesting:

@anders_aslund: Kremlin insider A Rahr: Putin will save Medvedev. Pros Gen Chaika, Minister of Interior Kolokoltsev & 1st Dep PM Shuvalov out. Interesting

76 jaunte  Mar 14, 2015 7:06:23pm

re: #73 Targetpractice

The Domestic Abuse Party.

77 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 14, 2015 7:06:29pm

re: #75 BeenHereAwhile

OT but interesting:

@anders_aslund: Kremlin insider A Rahr: Putin will save Medvedev. Pros Gen Chaika, Minister of Interior Kolokoltsev & 1st Dep PM Shuvalov out. Interesting

For their sakes, I hope it’s not Stalin Out.

78 Skip Intro  Mar 14, 2015 7:06:46pm

So, have any of you ever tried to withdraw from using a medically prescribed benzodiazepine?

Sweet mother of God! I’ve never gone through anything like this in my life.

79 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 14, 2015 7:07:02pm

re: #76 jaunte

The Domestic Abuse Party.

Fit’s on a GOP bumper sticker. //////

80 Targetpractice  Mar 14, 2015 7:07:47pm

re: #76 jaunte

The Domestic Abuse Party.

Now I’m sure that they don’t approve of domestic abuse…they just approve of those who engage in it being able to throw up roadblocks for investigators.

81 Unabogie  Mar 14, 2015 7:07:54pm

re: #76 jaunte

The Domestic Abuse Party.

What’s so infuriating is that the Arkansas GOP has not turned their back on these people. Instead, they are now objectively pro-child rape.

82 jaunte  Mar 14, 2015 7:09:38pm

re: #80 Targetpractice

“It’s not abuse, ‘cause my religious beliefs compel me not to spare the rod.”

83 Charles Johnson  Mar 14, 2015 7:11:15pm
84 TedStriker  Mar 14, 2015 7:13:34pm

re: #54 Eclectic Cyborg

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I see what you did there…

85 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 14, 2015 7:14:36pm

You know, this is related to the SAE case at OU this weekend. Probably going to be long, probably should ignore: I joined a frat as a freshman at my local commuter university. Not because I’d ever thought of Frats before, but because I had several hs classmates who were joining.

In the 80s, I was an odd-man out, listening to punk/hardcore and hanging out with people with similar tastes.

We were *never* hazed, IIRC, but we were taught Greek letters and the assorted secret bullshit, and the history.

What I never connected until recently was that this fraternity was formed during Reconstruction, by former confederate soldiers. The recent news caused me to re-examine that.

I had no idea how tied together many frats are with the confederacy.

I feel kind of ashamed that I didn’t realize that when I was 19.

(I haven’t been operative in the frat for more than 20 years.)

86 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 14, 2015 7:18:04pm

Sorry to kill the thread.

87 jaunte  Mar 14, 2015 7:22:12pm

Personal note:
In the early 90’s my wife and I adopted two sisters who were wards of the State of Texas (removed from abusive parents, and in foster care for two years). They were difficult to handle (as in feral: only passingly familiar with the toilet, eating at a table, tending to run directly out into streets, climb a tree, or run off in random directions at top speed if you let go of their hand.)
None of these behaviors were caused by ‘demons,’ but by a normal human emotional reaction to the adults who are supposed to be the most trusted figures in your life torturing you.
Trying to ‘cure’ the behavior by more abuse (locking them in their rooms, exorcism) would have just driven them further into despair and crazy acting out. We had to keep engaged and protect them to prove to them it wouldn’t happen again.

I’m happy to say that both girls grew up to be happy adults, with children and healthy relationships.

88 TedStriker  Mar 14, 2015 7:22:13pm

re: #85 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

You know, this is related to the SAE case at OU this weekend. Probably going to be long, probably should ignore: I joined a frat as a freshman at my local commuter university. Not because I’d ever thought of Frats before, but because I had several hs classmates who were joining.

In the 80s, I was an odd-man out, listening to punk/hardcore and hanging out with people with similar tastes.

We were *never* hazed, IIRC, but we were taught Greek letters and the assorted secret bullshit, and the history.

What I never connected until recently was that this fraternity was formed during Reconstruction, by former confederate soldiers. The recent news caused me to re-examine that.

I had no idea how tied together many frats are with the confederacy.

I feel kind of ashamed that I didn’t realize that when I was 19.

(I haven’t been operative in the frat for more than 20 years.)

I wouldn’t feel too bad, especially if your particular chapter was more into the here-and-now of their (then-) current members and not endlessly harping on their post-Confederate lineage.

It’s not your fault.

89 Nyet  Mar 14, 2015 7:27:15pm

re: #66 jaunte

The idiots should understand once and for all: religious freedom is not limitless and cannot be invoked to break secular laws.

90 Kragar  Mar 14, 2015 7:27:28pm

re: #83 Charles Johnson

I have 2 kids of my own. If you’ve adopted kids, those kids are yours. You do what you have to do to take care of them and keep them from getting hurt.

This man forced child services to give him the girls for his own purposes, he tortured them, mentally and physically, and when he couldn’t handle it, he dumped them in the hands of a rapist, while still taking the money designated to care for the girls. When confronted by his actions, we wraps himself in his religious beliefs and refuses to take any responsibility for what he has done.

Harris is the poster child for the sickness which embodies conservatism and evangelical Christianity in the US today. He is a sick perverted disgusting man who should be made to suffer for what he’s done, but the good old boys network will defend him to their last breath.

91 stpaulbear  Mar 14, 2015 7:28:17pm

re: #78 Skip Intro

So, have any of you ever tried to withdraw from using a medically prescribed benzodiazepine?

Sweet mother of God! I’ve never gone through anything like this in my life.

I had been taking Clonazepam for about 5-6 years when I let my doctor know that I wanted to stop taking it about a year ago. Yes, it’s a scary withdrawl and it seems like life is never going to get normal again, BUT IT DOES. I know that I ramped off faster than is recommended because I just went ahead and did it on my own (without really knowing what I was doing). I still have the same troubles with anxiety and depression that I’ve had for years and years, but I’d forgotten all about the benzo withdrawl until I read your comment.

Good luck. There’s a lot of scary advice online - try to not get rattled by it.

Edit: I took about two months to go from my usual medium-low dose down to nothing.

92 Nyet  Mar 14, 2015 7:33:54pm

re: #75 BeenHereAwhile

OT but interesting:

@anders_aslund: Kremlin insider A Rahr: Putin will save Medvedev. Pros Gen Chaika, Minister of Interior Kolokoltsev & 1st Dep PM Shuvalov out. Interesting

Speculation as good as any other.

93 jaunte  Mar 14, 2015 7:38:33pm

Coyotes howling and yipping like crazy outside.

94 jaunte  Mar 14, 2015 7:39:43pm
95 Skip Intro  Mar 14, 2015 7:42:22pm

re: #91 stpaulbear

I told my doctor the same thing. Now I’m wondering if I made a mistake. I just developed tinnitus, which unfortunately is a common side effect of withdrawal.

As they say, getting off of these drugs is harder than quitting heroin. Seriously.

96 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 14, 2015 7:43:14pm

re: #94 jaunte

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Code blue! Code blue! Code Blue! Someone get some medicine for those burns, stat!

97 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 14, 2015 7:44:43pm

re: #95 Skip Intro

My doc prescribed something right below Benzos because he didn’t want to use anything addictive like that.

Best wishes, and keep on the boards.

98 Belafon  Mar 14, 2015 7:45:06pm

I am reading a graphic novel called Echo. Pretty good, and the chapters (I’m sure it was separate comics, and the “chapters” are actually issues, but it’s bundled together) have quotes from scientists. The current one, from Stephen Hawking, is “I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road.” Would be fun to ask a fundamentalist about that.

99 jaunte  Mar 14, 2015 7:46:11pm
100 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 14, 2015 7:47:15pm

re: #39 jaunte

All of this behavior fits together.

Lawmaker Who Rehomed Girls To Rapist Files Bill Designed To Prevent Minors From Getting Abortions

What’s depressing is that we, as normal human beings, are so angered by reading this kind of shit that our eyeballs are in danger of exploding. The vaguely humanoid lizard-brained throwbacks who elect these fuckers, on the other hand, are going “Hellz YAH!!!” How is it possible to live in the same country with these animals?

101 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 14, 2015 7:47:18pm

Completely OT, but I’m wading through my second viewing of Skyfall. It’s a pretty good movie on the James Bond thermometer.

102 stpaulbear  Mar 14, 2015 7:48:18pm

re: #95 Skip Intro

I’m a little depressed about it. I just developed tinnitus, which unfortunately is a common side effect of withdrawal.

As they say, getting off of these drugs is harder than quitting heroin. Seriously.

When I started reading stuff about benzos online, I completely freaked out and didn’t think I’d make it through. I did, and I hope that the worst passes quickly for you.

I hope your tinnitus goes away too. That’s a problem that I’ve had for over 30 years because I made my living as a drummer when I was in my early-to-mid 20’s. My mom had it too for no reason so I think I was genetically pre-disposed to the problem, in addition to playing in loud rock bands.

103 jaunte  Mar 14, 2015 7:48:38pm
104 jaunte  Mar 14, 2015 7:49:10pm

re: #100 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Our president suggests humor.

105 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 14, 2015 7:49:14pm

re: #99 jaunte

It would kill me to find out that Obama’s joke writing staff was Colbert, Key and Peele, Larry Wilkinson, Jon Stewart and John Oliver, with a dash of Louis Black. :D

106 Dark_Falcon  Mar 14, 2015 7:49:30pm

Speaking of Eastern Europe, this is happening:

U.S. Army sending armored convoy 1,100 miles through Europe

It’s Strykers, and not MBTs, but they’d beat a battalion of Russian BTRs.

107 Skip Intro  Mar 14, 2015 7:50:07pm

re: #100 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’m finding that more and more I have to back away from this site because reading about all the dickheads who govern us becomes just too much to take.

If only there was another side fighting back. I guess that’s too much to hope for.

108 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 14, 2015 7:51:09pm

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

Speaking of Eastern Europe, this is happening:

U.S. Army sending armored convoy 1,100 miles through Europe

It’s Strykers, and not MBTs, but they’d beat a battalion of Russian BTRs.

Care to explain all that Alphabet Soup to those of us who didn’t serve?

109 Skip Intro  Mar 14, 2015 7:51:54pm

re: #102 stpaulbear

When I started reading stuff about benzos online, I completely freaked out and didn’t think I’d make it through. I did, and I hope that the worst passes quickly for you.

You’re right about that. Unfortunately, I did the same thing. I keep wondering how many of my symptoms are real, and how many have been “planted” in my head from reading other people’s horror stories.

110 jaunte  Mar 14, 2015 7:53:19pm

White House Issues Saturday Night Iran Deal Warning To Senate

“… in far more detailed and foreboding terms than normal, McDonough lays out the administration’s concerns should Corker’s Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act of 2015 end up becoming law.

The bill, he writes, would “likely have a profoundly negative impact on the ongoing negotiations — emboldening Iranian hard-liners, inviting a counter-productive response from the Iranian majiles; differentiating the U.S. position from our allies in negotiations; and once again calling into question our ability to negotiate this deal.”

“Put simply,” adds McDonough, “it would potentially make it impossible to secure international cooperation for additional sanctions, while putting at risk the existing multilateral sanctions regime.”

111 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 14, 2015 7:53:39pm

re: #109 Skip Intro

You’re right about that. Unfortunately, I did the same thing. I keep wondering how many of my symptoms are real, and how many have been “planted” in my head from reading other people’s horror stories.

I did THE EXACT SAME THING every time I was prescribed a new med! It’s hard to pay attention to your feelings/emotions/thoughts etc., enough to really notice what’s having the most impact. I know it is for me.

112 stpaulbear  Mar 14, 2015 7:55:22pm

re: #110 jaunte

White House Issues Saturday Night Iran Deal Warning To Senate

“Put simply,” adds McDonough, “it would potentially make it impossible to secure international cooperation for additional sanctions, while putting at risk the existing multilateral sanctions regime.”

Mission Accomplished!!!

113 Dark_Falcon  Mar 14, 2015 7:57:13pm

re: #108 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Care to explain all that Alphabet Soup to those of us who didn’t serve?

MBT = Main Battle Tank. The US MBT is the M1A1-M1A2 Abrams. The MBTs of Russia and its proxies in Ukraine are the T-64, T-72, T-80 and T-90.

BTR: Russian wheeled armored personnel carrier (or APC for short). Current model is the BTR-82AM armed with a 30mm automatic cannon and a 7.62mm machine gun (MG). Older models pair the 7.62 MG with a 14.5mm MG in a smaller turret.

114 Skip Intro  Mar 14, 2015 7:59:12pm

Jeez! I’m getting the urge to order Windows 8.1.

Must resist.

Must be strong.

115 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 14, 2015 8:00:08pm

re: #113 Dark_Falcon

MBT = Main Battle Tank. The US MBT is the M1A1-M1A2 Abrams. The MBTs of Russia and its proxies in Ukraine are the T-64, T-72, T-80 and T-90.

BTR: Russian wheeled armored personnel carrier (or APC for short). Current model is the BTR-82AM armed with a 30mm automatic cannon and a 7.62mm machine gun (MG). Older models pair the 7.62 MG with a 14.5mm MG in a smaller turret.

Thank you. I read several sites that do the same thing, it reads like alphabet soup and drives away new readers. If I weren’t so curious, I’d have left long ago. I realize it’s jargon for ppl in the industry (whichever it is), but if you’re writing for a general audience, it should be in a lingua franca.

116 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 14, 2015 8:02:35pm

My surprise, Let me show you it:

…As governor, Bush used his account, jeb@jeb.org, to conduct official, political and personal business, including plans to woo new businesses to the state, judicial appointments and military matters, the e-mail records show. His e-mail server was housed at the governor’s office in Tallahassee during his two terms; he took it with him when he left office in 2007….

117 Dark_Falcon  Mar 14, 2015 8:02:49pm

re: #115 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Thank you. I read several sites that do the same thing, it reads like alphabet soup and drives away new readers. If I weren’t so curious, I’d have left long ago. I realize it’s jargon for ppl in the industry (whichever it is), but if you’re writing for a general audience, it should be in a lingua franca.

I normally explain the acronyms, this time I forgot to do so. Thanks for asking for the clarification when you needed it.

118 freetoken  Mar 14, 2015 8:03:30pm

Children are tools God gives you to take over the Earth, don’t you know?

119 Skip Intro  Mar 14, 2015 8:07:11pm

re: #116 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

My surprise, Let me show you it:

Yeahbut BENGHAZI!

120 Romantic Heretic  Mar 14, 2015 8:08:06pm

re: #87 jaunte

Well done.

121 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 14, 2015 8:08:37pm

Alright, Lizards, going to try to sleep for a while. Behave yourselves!

122 prairiefire  Mar 14, 2015 8:11:52pm

re: #118 freetoken

Children are tools God gives you to take over the Earth, don’t you know?

Quiver-ful thinking.

123 Kragar  Mar 14, 2015 8:12:33pm

re: #118 freetoken

Children are tools God gives you to take over the Earth, don’t you know?

Psalm 127:4-5

As arrows are in the hand of a mighty man; so are children of the youth.

Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them: they shall not be ashamed, but they shall speak with the enemies in the gate.

124 Kragar  Mar 14, 2015 8:13:26pm

re: #122 prairiefire

Quiver-ful thinking.

The same thinking that says a child can be born Christian but can’t be born gay.

125 prairiefire  Mar 14, 2015 8:16:59pm

re: #93 jaunte

Coyotes howling and yipping like crazy outside.

I miss that from when I would visit my great aunt out in Circleville, Kansas.

126 Kragar  Mar 14, 2015 8:17:49pm

Its 8pm and its 90 degrees in San Diego.

127 prairiefire  Mar 14, 2015 8:19:32pm

re: #91 stpaulbear

How is Lexipro catagorized? Oh, I read it is an SSRI.

128 Targetpractice  Mar 14, 2015 8:21:21pm

re: #126 Kragar

Its 8pm and its 90 degrees in San Diego.

Obviously further proof that global warming is a hoax.

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129 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 14, 2015 8:22:12pm

re: #126 Kragar

Its 8pm and its 90 degrees in San Diego.

California out of water in a year.

130 Frenchy  Mar 14, 2015 8:22:57pm

re: #128 Targetpractice

Obviously further proof that global warming is a hoax.

///

*throws snowball*

131 BigPapa  Mar 14, 2015 8:23:26pm

re: #129 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

California out of water in a year.

Delete the word ‘drought.’ Problem solved.

Anything else I can fix for yall?

132 Kragar  Mar 14, 2015 8:24:15pm

re: #129 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

California out of water in a year.

Thank goodness we haven’t invested in mass scale irrigation and water purification/reclamation infrastructure. Why would we ever need that?
///

133 austin_blue  Mar 14, 2015 8:25:20pm

Okay, back from the neighborhood Pi day dinner.

We had home-made Moon Pi’s. Frito Pi’s. Quiche Pi’s (three kinds). Traditional English meat Pi’s (beef and chicken) along with an English style spinach and artichoke Pi. Oh, and pizza Pi from an unimaginative but very sweet older woman.

And sweet Pi’s- black cherry, black raspberry, and lemon.

I have the bloat.

134 stpaulbear  Mar 14, 2015 8:28:27pm

re: #127 prairiefire

Afraid I don’t know anything about it. Looks like it’s an SSRI. It’s not part of the group that Skip Intro and I have been talking about this evening and it’s not something I’ve ever tried. Sorry.

135 Targetpractice  Mar 14, 2015 8:30:09pm

re: #129 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

California out of water in a year.

Yes, California is suffering catastrophic levels of drought…but they’re still pumping acquifers like crazy for bottled water.

136 stpaulbear  Mar 14, 2015 8:30:31pm

re: #133 austin_blue

No fair saying someone is unimaginative for bringing pizza. Pizza is always welcome.

137 goddamnedfrank  Mar 14, 2015 8:30:56pm
138 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 14, 2015 8:31:09pm

re: #135 Targetpractice

Yes, California is suffering catastrophic levels of drought…but they’re still pumping acquifers like crazy for bottled water.

Sierra Spring? AFAF.

139 austin_blue  Mar 14, 2015 8:35:16pm

re: #131 BigPapa

Delete the word ‘drought.’ Problem solved.

Anything else I can fix for yall?

Sure. Well, explain, anyhow. Where and how are going to move twenty million people out of the hydrologic hellhole California is becoming?

Just asking.

The rest of the west is just as fucked and Texas west of the Dallas/Austin/San Antonio Metropolitan Axis (with apologies to Bill Gibson, but I love his gestalt) is even worse.

140 WhatEVs  Mar 14, 2015 8:35:22pm

re: #128 Targetpractice

Obviously further proof that global warming is a hoax.

///

California doesn’t count. Neither does NY or NJ. Only REAL America counts when thinking about global warming. Which real America never does.

141 austin_blue  Mar 14, 2015 8:36:18pm

re: #136 stpaulbear

No fair saying someone is unimaginative for bringing pizza. Pizza is always welcome.

It was Domino’s.

142 Charles Johnson  Mar 14, 2015 8:36:19pm
143 jaunte  Mar 14, 2015 8:36:49pm

re: #135 Targetpractice

Yes, California is suffering catastrophic levels of drought…but they’re still pumping acquifers like crazy for bottled water.

Maybe we could stop watering golf courses for a bit.

144 Kragar  Mar 14, 2015 8:37:19pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

“DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?”
“Why do you think we stopped you?”

145 stpaulbear  Mar 14, 2015 8:37:46pm

re: #141 austin_blue

It was Domino’s.

Oooff. I hope you put it outside.

146 WhatEVs  Mar 14, 2015 8:38:56pm

re: #144 Kragar

“DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?”
“Why do you think we stopped you?”

That was my thought.

147 Targetpractice  Mar 14, 2015 8:39:04pm

re: #143 jaunte

Maybe we could stop watering golf courses for a bit.

THAT’S JUST WHAT THE UN WANTS!!!

148 prairiefire  Mar 14, 2015 8:39:16pm

re: #141 austin_blue

It was Domino’s.

Bless her.

149 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 14, 2015 8:40:41pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

Was there really a fundraiser? And wasn’t CCJ just at CPAC? He sure jets around a lot for a guy with no visible source of income.

150 jaunte  Mar 14, 2015 8:40:55pm

re: #147 Targetpractice

Frisbee golf: the grass is optional.

151 prairiefire  Mar 14, 2015 8:42:24pm

re: #134 stpaulbear

Thanks. I took it for about a year and half. It made me feel like every night was Christmas Eve. Too much for me.

152 austin_blue  Mar 14, 2015 8:42:31pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

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Wait. What? US Capitol Police travelled to California for a Boner fundraiser?

Really, Chuck? You were questioned by US Capitol Police in California? Police officers that have no purview outside of DC? Since they protect the Capitol?

Really?

Anybody want to call him on this, or have I completely jumped the rails here?

153 BigPapa  Mar 14, 2015 8:42:32pm

re: #143 jaunte

Maybe we could stop watering golf courses for a bit.

Learn how to strike an iron off hardpan.

154 Targetpractice  Mar 14, 2015 8:42:33pm

re: #149 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Was there really a fundraiser? And wasn’t CCJ just at CPAC? He sure jets around a lot for a guy with no visible source of income.

No shit, didn’t he take up a donation a few months back to file a defamation lawsuit?

155 WhatEVs  Mar 14, 2015 8:42:55pm

re: #149 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Was there really a fundraiser? And wasn’t CCJ just at CPAC? He sure jets around a lot for a guy with no visible source of income.

He has a source of income. Wingnut Welfare. PayPal, baby.

156 jaunte  Mar 14, 2015 8:43:20pm

re: #153 BigPapa

The Utah salt flats would be interesting.

157 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 14, 2015 8:43:26pm

re: #152 austin_blue

Wait. What? US Capitol Police travelled to California for a Boner fundraiser?

Really, Chuck? You were questioned by US Capitol Police in California? Police officers that have no purview outside of DC? Since they protect the Capitol?

Really?

Anybody want to call him on this, or have I completely jumped the rails here?

No, I was thinking the same thing.

158 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 14, 2015 8:43:51pm

re: #155 WhatEVs

He has a source of income. Wingnut Welfare. PayPal, baby.

Maybe one day soon they’ll freeze his account.

159 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 14, 2015 8:44:40pm

re: #153 BigPapa

Learn how to strike an iron off hardpan.

On the bright side, no water traps! Make ball recovery (yours + hundreds of others) much easier.

160 austin_blue  Mar 14, 2015 8:45:13pm

re: #145 stpaulbear

Oooff. I hope you put it outside.

We *were* outside. It was a lovely, Chamber of Commerce day, which sucks because more people will move here. I paid $9200 in property taxes this year.

161 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 14, 2015 8:46:00pm

re: #150 jaunte

Frisbee golf: the grass is optional.

Hell, air is optional:

Video

162 Decatur Deb  Mar 14, 2015 8:46:02pm

re: #152 austin_blue

Wait. What? US Capitol Police travelled to California for a Boner fundraiser?

Really, Chuck? You were questioned by US Capitol Police in California? Police officers that have no purview outside of DC? Since they protect the Capitol?

Really?

Anybody want to call him on this, or have I completely jumped the rails here?

No, they travel.

en.wikipedia.org

163 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 14, 2015 8:46:17pm

re: #160 austin_blue

We *were* outside. It was a lovely, Chamber of Commerce day, which sucks because more people will move here. I paid $9200 in property taxes this year.

Good God. That would pay off both my car notes!

164 WhatEVs  Mar 14, 2015 8:46:59pm

re: #158 Eclectic Cyborg

Maybe one day soon they’ll freeze his account.

Doubt it. People pay voluntarily.

I wish I didn’t have fucking morals and values. I’d get in on the religio-con grift in a minute. And I’m smarter than Chuck. I’d make it work.

165 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 14, 2015 8:47:25pm

re: #152 austin_blue

Wait. What? US Capitol Police travelled to California for a Boner fundraiser?

Really, Chuck? You were questioned by US Capitol Police in California? Police officers that have no purview outside of DC? Since they protect the Capitol?

Really?

Anybody want to call him on this, or have I completely jumped the rails here?

Capitol Police do follow Congresscritters around. en.wikipedia.org

DD got there first. I see

166 prairiefire  Mar 14, 2015 8:48:39pm

re: #164 WhatEVs

Doubt it. People pay voluntarily.

I wish I didn’t have fucking morals and values. I’d get in on the religio-con grift in a minute. And I’m smarter than Chuck. I’d make it work.

Better not to have the millstone around your neck.

167 jaunte  Mar 14, 2015 8:49:28pm

re: #165 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Additionally, they are charged with the protection of members of Congress, officers of Congress, and their families throughout the entire United States, its territories and possessions, and the District of Columbia. While performing protective functions the Capitol Police have jurisdiction throughout the entire United States.

It’s a good idea with unstable fans like Chuck C. crashing the gate.

168 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 14, 2015 8:49:42pm

I reckon it was this fundraiser. fresnobee.com

Sorry, Bing screwed up. Still looking for the right linky.

169 Decatur Deb  Mar 14, 2015 8:49:58pm

re: #165 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Capitol Police do follow Congresscritters around. en.wikipedia.org

US Secret Service couldn’t be there, they’re grounded for the rest of the school year.

170 austin_blue  Mar 14, 2015 8:50:44pm

re: #163 Eclectic Cyborg

Good God. That would pay off both my car notes!

Sucks, eh? No personal income tax, so the middle class, especially homeowners like us, get to pay the lions share of school taxes. It’s just regressive as hell. Oh, and 8.25% sales tax on everything but unprepared food.

Rich people love it, though.

171 prairiefire  Mar 14, 2015 8:50:51pm

re: #160 austin_blue

We *were* outside. It was a lovely, Chamber of Commerce day, which sucks because more people will move here. I paid $9200 in property taxes this year.

I thought Texas was a tax haven./

172 austin_blue  Mar 14, 2015 8:52:07pm

re: #162 Decatur Deb

No, they travel.

en.wikipedia.org

Well kiss my grits. You live and learn or you don’t live long.

173 WhatEVs  Mar 14, 2015 8:52:09pm

re: #166 prairiefire

Better not to have the millstone around your neck.

I’d donate it to Dems. At least it would be put to better use. (Yes, I’ve thought of four ways to grift. I just can’t bring myself to do it. Even giving all the $$ away, I’d still feel like a shit heel. Fucking conscience.)

174 Kragar  Mar 14, 2015 8:52:53pm
175 BeachDem  Mar 14, 2015 8:52:56pm

re: #137 goddamnedfrank

And just who would have ponied up a minimum of $1,000 for him to go to the Fresno fundraiser?

fresnobee.com

176 goddamnedfrank  Mar 14, 2015 8:53:29pm
177 Decatur Deb  Mar 14, 2015 8:54:07pm

re: #175 BeachDem

And just who would have ponied up a minimum of $1,000 for him to go to the Fresno fundraiser?

fresnobee.com

People at the Bakersfield fund raiser.

178 BeachDem  Mar 14, 2015 8:55:18pm

re: #149 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

littlegreenfootballs.com

179 WhatEVs  Mar 14, 2015 8:55:18pm

re: #175 BeachDem

And just who would have ponied up a minimum of $1,000 for him to go to the Fresno fundraiser?

fresnobee.com

Hey, if you’re gonna do it, go big…get the photo op package.

180 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 14, 2015 8:55:37pm

re: #175 BeachDem

And just who would have ponied up a minimum of $1,000 for him to go to the Fresno fundraiser?

fresnobee.com

I guess the Capitol Police didn’t accept his handmade press credentials as an Award Winning Journalist.

181 goddamnedfrank  Mar 14, 2015 8:55:51pm

Oops, retarded double post.

182 WhatEVs  Mar 14, 2015 8:57:11pm

re: #180 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I guess the Capitol Police didn’t accept his handmade press credentials as an Award Winning Journalist.

Surprising since they accept Rand Paul’ homemade accreditation.

183 austin_blue  Mar 14, 2015 8:57:55pm

re: #171 prairiefire

I thought Texas was a tax haven./

For businesses and people with lots of income, it’s gratuitous oral sex, back rubs, and warm hugs.

And that’s just from the Legislature. The Courts are right there for foot massages and tots of whiskey.

184 prairiefire  Mar 14, 2015 8:59:00pm

re: #173 WhatEVs

I’d donate it to Dems. At least it would be put to better use. (Yes, I’ve thought of four ways to grift. I just can’t bring myself to do it. Even giving all the $$ away, I’d still feel like a shit heel. Fucking conscience.)

You are a hoot. 4 ways, use your power for good! Have you considered a career in advertising?

185 BeachDem  Mar 14, 2015 9:01:07pm

re: #180 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I guess the Capitol Police didn’t accept his handmade press credentials as an Award Winning Journalist.

From Fresno, CA
To Bakersfield, CA
1 h 38 min (109.4 mi) via CA-99 S

4 hours driving there and back, and he didn’t get in. Awwww.

186 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 14, 2015 9:03:12pm

re: #178 BeachDem

littlegreenfootballs.com

Thanks. I missed that last part of the thread when I saw a new one.

187 BeachDem  Mar 14, 2015 9:03:46pm

WTF does immigration policy have to do with letting a whiny-ass punk into a party? He is such a moron.

188 BeenHereAwhile  Mar 14, 2015 9:03:47pm

re: #162 Decatur Deb

No, they travel.

en.wikipedia.org

Yep, the Capitol Police will send out an advance for events like the Super Bowl, then show up in force with the Speaker Of The House.

After all the Speaker Of The House is 2nd in line of succession.

189 jaunte  Mar 14, 2015 9:07:11pm

re: #187 BeachDem

STAND BACK SIR, I AM A BLOGGER!

190 Varek Raith  Mar 14, 2015 9:07:25pm

re: #187 BeachDem

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WTF does immigration policy have to do with letting a whiny-ass punk into a party? He is such a moron.

One day he’s gonna get his ass tackled by the Secret Service.

191 WhatEVs  Mar 14, 2015 9:07:49pm

re: #184 prairiefire

You are a hoot. 4 ways, use your power for good! Have you considered a career in advertising?

Background in sales and marketing, training, and customer schmoozing. It’s a matter of knowing what they love/hate (which we all do) and catering the offering to that love or hate.

Unfortunately, three of my ideas would likely target old folks. And no matter how much of an asshole they may be, I just can’t do it.

192 goddamnedfrank  Mar 14, 2015 9:08:11pm

re: #185 BeachDem

From Fresno, CA
To Bakersfield, CA
1 h 38 min (109.4 mi) via CA-99 S

4 hours driving there and back, and he didn’t get in. Awwww.

McCarthy represents Bakersfield. His people probably set this whole thing up in order to get the Capitol Police to distract him and give them time to put transmitters and bugs in his car and put remote control cable cutters on his brake lines.

Obviously I don’t really believe this, but it would be awesome if we could convince Chuck this is what happened.

193 austin_blue  Mar 14, 2015 9:08:34pm

re: #188 BeenHereAwhile

Yep, the Capitol Police will send out an advance for events like the Super Bowl, then show up in force with the Speaker Of The House.

After all the Speaker Of The House is 2nd in line of succession.

I always thought he travelled with the Secret Service.

Huh. Color me surprised.

194 WhatEVs  Mar 14, 2015 9:09:36pm

re: #189 jaunte

STAND BACK SIR, I AM A BLOGGER AN ASSHOLE !

FIFY. :-)

195 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 14, 2015 9:10:13pm

re: #190 Varek Raith

One day he’s gonna get his ass tackled by the Secret Service.

Or one of them will get drunk and run over him….

196 goddamnedfrank  Mar 14, 2015 9:10:32pm
197 jaunte  Mar 14, 2015 9:11:36pm

re: #190 Varek Raith

One day he’s gonna get his ass* tackled by the Secret Service.

*If they’re smart they’ll use tongs.

198 jaunte  Mar 14, 2015 9:16:04pm
199 BigPapa  Mar 14, 2015 9:18:06pm

re: #156 jaunte

The Utah salt flats would be interesting.

Thin to win baby

200 goddamnedfrank  Mar 14, 2015 9:20:10pm
201 BeachDem  Mar 14, 2015 9:21:46pm

re: #192 goddamnedfrank

McCarthy represents Bakersfield. His people probably set this whole thing up in order to get the Capitol Police to distract him and give them time to put transmitters and bugs in his car and put remote control cable cutters on his brake lines.

Obviously I don’t really believe this, but it would be awesome if we could convince Chuck this is what happened.

And they did it really fast, because there was just about four hours between his “going to a fundraiser in Bakersfield” tweet and his “oops, they wouldn’t let me in and I’m back home” tweet. (Wonder if he had one of his famous firearms in his pocket—that would have been fun.)

202 BeenHereAwhile  Mar 14, 2015 9:22:18pm

More OT speculation, but invoking 24 - 48 hour rule:

@anders_aslund: What to look for: On Monday Putin is supposed to reappear with Draconian laws and big government change. If not, very good: hardliner loss.

203 goddamnedfrank  Mar 14, 2015 9:27:56pm
204 austin_blue  Mar 14, 2015 9:29:08pm

re: #198 jaunte

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Posting this is like Inhofe bringing a snowball into the Capitol building. Stop it.

That’s weather, people. It’s not climate. This is what the idiots do to say it’s not happening.

\Grumpy old scientist off.\

205 goddamnedfrank  Mar 14, 2015 9:33:16pm

/new band name.
/oblig.

206 WhatEVs  Mar 14, 2015 9:33:56pm

re: #203 goddamnedfrank

Wind up his paranoia. You know how easy it is to do. :-)

207 BigPapa  Mar 14, 2015 9:36:26pm
208 austin_blue  Mar 14, 2015 9:36:47pm

re: #205 goddamnedfrank

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/new band name.
/oblig.

BIG CYBORG VAGINA?

Damn. I’m not sure I’d like to share the particular fever dream that thought that up.

Although it is an excellent band name.

209 jaunte  Mar 14, 2015 9:37:27pm
210 goddamnedfrank  Mar 14, 2015 9:38:05pm

re: #206 WhatEVs

Wind up his paranoia. You know how easy it is to do. :-)

Honestly, this would be an ideal way of fucking with someone without being too obvious about it.

“I’m sorry mister Toss Phallus, there’s must have been some kind of mix up. No sorry, you can’t go in, because rules.”

I’m not saying this was a subtle form of hazing, but if it was it had the perfect level of plausible deniability.

211 goddamnedfrank  Mar 14, 2015 9:39:55pm

re: #208 austin_blue

BIG CYBORG VAGINA?

Damn. I’m not sure I’d like to share the particular fever dream that thought that up.

“BOISE, Idaho — An Idaho lawmaker received a brief lesson on female anatomy after asking if a woman can swallow a small camera for doctors to conduct a remote gynecological exam.”

212 freetoken  Mar 14, 2015 9:40:40pm

re: #211 goddamnedfrank

Anatomy iz hard.

214 BigPapa  Mar 14, 2015 9:43:44pm

re: #209 jaunte

Wait.. is that fake?

215 jaunte  Mar 14, 2015 9:44:03pm

re: #214 BigPapa

I just made it.

216 Varek Raith  Mar 14, 2015 9:44:33pm

re: #214 BigPapa

Wait.. is that fake?

You can’t conjure flames?
Lame.

217 jaunte  Mar 14, 2015 9:44:41pm

re: #214 BigPapa

Inhofe feels no pain.

218 austin_blue  Mar 14, 2015 9:45:23pm

re: #209 jaunte

Embedded Image

Touche! Well played!

But you get my drift. We have to be better than that. It’s big picture. It’s the preponderance of evidence. It’s data driven. It’s not about Exxon’s 5-year forecast, which is driving the debate right now, because they are buying “experts” who are being given air time.

Media “balance” should not include paid shills, but it does because it sells ads.

Sigh.

220 goddamnedfrank  Mar 14, 2015 9:47:21pm

re: #213 Varek Raith

Dude wut.

You mean you don’t have a google alert set up for Idaho + Vagina? All I can say is you Sir are missing out.

221 jaunte  Mar 14, 2015 9:47:25pm

re: #218 austin_blue

We have to be better than that. It’s big picture. It’s the preponderance of evidence. It’s data driven.

You’re right. I just couldn’t resist the image.

222 BigPapa  Mar 14, 2015 9:47:46pm

re: #215 jaunte

I just made it.

Adobe Phireballs.

223 Varek Raith  Mar 14, 2015 9:48:11pm

Good night.

224 goddamnedfrank  Mar 14, 2015 9:48:44pm

re: #209 jaunte

Embedded Image

“I cast fireball at the darkness!”

225 BigPapa  Mar 14, 2015 9:49:24pm

I didn’t know Inhofe was a flamer. And that’s OKAAY.

227 BigPapa  Mar 14, 2015 9:52:39pm
228 austin_blue  Mar 14, 2015 10:04:08pm

re: #227 BigPapa

Gay Fashion Designers Dolce & Gabbana Call Same-Sex Families Unnatural

So are $600 bikinis. But whatevs.

In response, straight fashion designer Vera Wang stated “I don’t know, I think they are a lovely couple. I think they would be wonderful parents as long as they hid the scissors and quit snorting so much blow with Gaultier.”

229 BigPapa  Mar 14, 2015 10:11:03pm

You have Uncle Toms. I guess we can have Uncle Pats too.

230 freetoken  Mar 14, 2015 10:21:49pm

So, I finally signed up with a VPN provider. I was going to do it a long time ago, but put it off. I hope this keeps the hiccups with Cox from happening, which are more and more prevalent.

231 sagehen  Mar 14, 2015 10:30:54pm

Or maybe Dolce & Gabbana depend on the business of a bunch of old, rich, conservative Catholics. Maybe they themselves are old, rich, conservative Catholics (for some reason I thought they were Italian; the article says they’re Spanish, and that’s a 95% Catholic country.)

232 austin_blue  Mar 14, 2015 10:34:54pm

re: #231 sagehen

Or maybe Dolce & Gabbana depend on the business of a bunch of old, rich, conservative Catholics. Maybe they themselves are old, rich, conservative Catholics (for some reason I thought they were Italian; the article says they’re Spanish, and that’s a 95% Catholic country.)

Or maybe they’re just self-loathing assholes.

Nah, I’m going for your “protecting our business model” meme. Makes a lot of sense.

Still a damn shame they vilify so many nurturing couples with so many needy kids. Not right.

233 Targetpractice  Mar 14, 2015 10:37:11pm

As if we needed yet another example of how this fucker is not ready for prime time:

He really is becoming the Perry of this election season: Oversold, unprepared, and totally unable to demonstrate an original thought. And like Perry, he’ll no doubt lead the polls right up until we get to the debates, when he has a brain fart on live TV and ends up becoming a laughingstock for the rest of the primaries.

234 austin_blue  Mar 14, 2015 10:39:55pm

re: #233 Targetpractice

As if we needed yet another example of how this fucker is not ready for prime time:

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He really is becoming the Perry of this election season: Oversold, unprepared, and totally unable to demonstrate an original thought. And like Perry, he’ll no doubt lead the polls right up until we get to the debates, when he has a brain fart on live TV and ends up becoming a laughingstock for the rest of the primaries.

Oops.

235 Kragar  Mar 14, 2015 10:56:32pm
236 Jenner7  Mar 14, 2015 11:02:23pm
Speaking of flames…..

Had our first fire of the year. Early, yup. It’s been pretty warm here in Utah. Hasn’t felt like winter since Christmas. Anyhoo, it was nice to sit by the fire, listen to tunes, and have a drink or two…or three…or four.

Have a lovely Sunday all!

237 austin_blue  Mar 14, 2015 11:07:38pm

Good night all!

Here’s a point for discussion. It seems that most of the candidates for ‘16 have broad plans but shallow understanding of the specifics. Everybody seems to hate political lifers, but those are exactly the people who have a depth of knowledge about policy and how to make government work.

It’s a puzzlement, isn’t it?

238 Kragar  Mar 14, 2015 11:21:13pm

Updated the page. Ex-employees of Harris are claiming Harris would conduct exorcisms of misbehaving students at the schools.

239 Kragar  Mar 14, 2015 11:30:21pm

If some creepy fuck laid hands on my kids to “rebuke demons”, I’d be doing some “laying on hands” of my own.

240 #FergusonFireside  Mar 14, 2015 11:35:22pm

So chuck is after Chris Kluwe again?

241 Targetpractice  Mar 14, 2015 11:37:59pm

re: #239 Kragar

If some creepy fuck laid hands on my kids to “rebuke demons”, I’d be doing some “laying on hands” of my own.

I get the feeling that the people sending their kids to his schools are every bit as fucked in the head as he is. Else they might have already withdrawn their kids from a school where a pedophile was previously employed. I mean I’d personally have a problem enrolling my kids in a school where the owners didn’t notice this shit until an outside party made the call.

242 #FergusonFireside  Mar 14, 2015 11:48:58pm

Ya’ll who follow me on twitter just got a treat.

243 casterbridge  Mar 15, 2015 12:00:06am

Very long time lurker. Way back to the time when rational people thought Spenser made sense.

Long traveled road. (Doll by Doll, anyone?)

This page and topic is very relevant to my wife and I. We have adopted kids from a birth mother with a tough story. But for us, for better or worse, our role is to our damnedest to ensure that our children have a chance to flourish.

To me it is unbelievable that anyone with any sense of self could disown these kids (for that is what they did).

Harris and his wife have reneged on their responsibility. Their professed religion is no redoubt. They are despicable, weak, heinous people. And their supporters equally so.

As my wife says, “she cannot stomach this whole story” because she is afraid that there is some underlying narrative we do not know about; as in England, an institutionalized abusive, protected group.

I hope it is not so.

244 Timothy Watson  Mar 15, 2015 12:08:04am
BOWING TO GOP PRESSURE, OBAMA AGREES TO BE EMPEROR OF AMERICA

WASHINGTON, D.C. (satirewire.com) - After repeatedly being labeled a dictator by Republicans and conservative media, President Obama today reluctantly agreed to become the Emperor of America they insisted he already was.

“Every day I kept hearing, ‘Emperor, king, tyrant,’ on and on,” said Obama of the Republican outcry following his executive order on immigration. “So eventually I’m like, ‘You know what? Fine. I’ll be Emperor. Whatever.’ I mean, half of America already thinks of me as an emperor, and that’s the half that doesn’t like me.

“It’s not that bad, really,” His Imperial Majesty said of the new role. “Yesterday, the San Francisco Giants came to the White House. I had them gilded.”

[…]

And at that moment, Obama turned and gave a signal to his cabinet members, who, Boehner hadn’t noticed before, were each dressed as individual Latin American countries. Out of thin air — which suddenly smelled of guacamole and guajillo chilis - a monstrously large guillotine appeared. Burly U.S. border guards, shouting orders in Spanish, dragged Boehner into the machine and forced him to his knees. Despite this, he was somehow face up, looking at the looming blade, which he would have thought was odd except he was distracted by the mariachi music that came out of his mouth whenever he tried to talk. Emperor Obama, his head wreathed in barbed wire, standing atop a wall that seemed a thousand miles long and was made entirely of tortillas and human suffering, shouted, “Hit it, Jimmy!” and Jimmy Page, lead guitarist of Led Zeppelin, launched into “The Immigrant Song.” The dangling guillotine blade, which Boehner now noticed was not made of steel but was instead a gigantic and lethally sharpened Green Card, came rushing down toward his head. Boehner let out a cacophonous scream. “Amnesty!” he shouted…

And woke up in his bed, in a cold sweat, the sheets wrapped around his neck as a callow winter sun rose over the nation’s capital.

“Honey, you all right?” his wife Debbie asked.

Wild-eyed, John turned to Debbie. “Obama is not an emperor,” he said in a hoarse morning whisper. “I’ve seen a real emperor. He’s not that. He’s never been that. We have to stop saying he is.”

And from that moment on, Republicans and Democrats, conservatives and liberals, the President and the House Speaker, toned down their rhetoric and passed sweeping immigration legislation based, not on fear and ignorance, but on what was best for the American people.

And then President Obama woke up and realized it was all just a dream.

“Fuck,” he said.

satirewire.com

245 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 15, 2015 12:11:27am

re: #241 Targetpractice

I get the feeling that the people sending their kids to his schools are every bit as fucked in the head as he is. Else they might have already withdrawn their kids from a school where a pedophile was previously employed. I mean I’d personally have a problem enrolling my kids in a school where the owners didn’t notice this shit until an outside party made the call.

Laying on of hands is perfectly acceptable among Pentecostals and Assembly of God people, among others, so those parents are getting just what they paid for. They use it for everything from illness (terminal or otherwise) to misbehavior, which are just different levels of demon possession, you know.

246 #FergusonFireside  Mar 15, 2015 12:12:32am

re: #243 casterbridge

Hey, welcome, thanks for the comment.

247 casterbridge  Mar 15, 2015 12:14:25am

Ok, As a newbie or hatchling……….

Klys - I am 94560; today was 85 nor any a drop to drink.
Lawhawk - informative legal opinion
Kragar - Another take from the ex military rather than my RWNJ relatives
Dark_Falcon - reminder what Republicans should be thinking about
Babushka - what can I say, Detroit Pie Master
GoddamnFrank - Sanity
War Tardis - Maybe really the War Doctor as in John Hurt?

And all the other denizens of LGF, hello and good fortune.

248 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 15, 2015 12:15:30am

re: #243 casterbridge

Welcome to non-lurker status. Did you bring coffee and doughnuts? It’s a tradition.

249 BigPapa  Mar 15, 2015 12:18:34am

I lived in Fremont before I moved to Hawaii. Grew up in Dublin 94568.

250 goddamnedfrank  Mar 15, 2015 12:19:42am

Oh Gawd, he just keeps getting more and more blatant about it.

251 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 15, 2015 12:22:13am

re: #250 goddamnedfrank

So, I take the second one to mean I shouldn’t pay attention to Chuck C. Johnson’s addled ravings.

252 Targetpractice  Mar 15, 2015 12:23:43am

re: #250 goddamnedfrank

Oh Gawd, he just keeps getting more and more blatant about it.

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Someone is in dire need of an intervention.

253 goddamnedfrank  Mar 15, 2015 12:24:48am
254 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 15, 2015 12:27:25am

re: #250 goddamnedfrank

And I take the first one to be wrong, as the inhabitants of Mesopotamia, Egypt and the Indus Valley would today not be considered white people. Throw in China for added wrongness.

255 BigPapa  Mar 15, 2015 12:29:21am

Jesus wasn’t white people.

256 #FergusonFireside  Mar 15, 2015 12:29:21am

I’m watching the end of Jaws. Always good.

257 goddamnedfrank  Mar 15, 2015 12:30:54am
258 #FergusonFireside  Mar 15, 2015 12:38:07am

This movie. Just saw Quint die.

The Indianapolis Story, by Quint.

259 BigPapa  Mar 15, 2015 12:42:16am

That’s a great movie moment.

260 goddamnedfrank  Mar 15, 2015 12:42:38am

He’s high as a kite:

261 #FergusonFireside  Mar 15, 2015 12:45:27am

Most of us would never know of the Indianapolis, if not for Jaws.

262 #FergusonFireside  Mar 15, 2015 12:47:05am

Chuck makes me sick. I’m a going to sleep sweet dreams.

Hang tough.

263 casterbridge  Mar 15, 2015 12:50:44am

re: #258 #FergusonFireside

Robert Shaw. Need to find the clip from Man for All Seasons as Henry VIII looking for Thomas Moore in a crowd. Perfect example of the inability of power to understand principle.

264 TedStriker  Mar 15, 2015 12:53:26am

re: #261 #FergusonFireside

Most of us would never know of the Indianapolis, if not for Jaws.

What the Navy did to her captain afterwards was, IMO, criminal.

en.wikipedia.org

265 Kragar  Mar 15, 2015 12:57:19am

re: #261 #FergusonFireside

Reminds me of this incident as well:

Battle of Ramree Island

When the Marines outflanked a Japanese stronghold the nine hundred defenders within it abandoned the base and marched to join a larger battalion of Japanese soldiers across the island. The route forced the Japanese to cross 16 kilometres of mangrove swamps. As they struggled through the thick forests the British forces encircled the area of the swampland. Trapped in deep mud-filled land, tropical diseases soon started afflicting the soldiers, as well as encountering scorpions, tropical mosquitoes and saltwater crocodiles.

Repeated calls by the British for the Japanese to surrender were ignored. The Marines holding the perimeter shot any Japanese attempting to escape, while within the swampland hundreds of Japanese soldiers died over the course of several days for lack of food or drinking water. Some British soldiers, including naturalist Bruce Stanley Wright who participated in the battle, claimed that the crocodiles attacked and ate numerous Japanese soldiers. Wright’s description occurs in his 1962 book Wildlife Sketches Near and Far:

“That night [of the 19 February 1945] was the most horrible that any member of the M.L. [motor launch] crews ever experienced. The scattered rifle shots in the pitch black swamp punctured by the screams of wounded men crushed in the jaws of huge reptiles, and the blurred worrying sound of spinning crocodiles made a cacophony of hell that has rarely been duplicated on earth. At dawn the vultures arrived to clean up what the crocodiles had left… . Of about one thousand Japanese soldiers that entered the swamps of Ramree, only about twenty were found alive.”[2][4]

266 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 15, 2015 1:05:11am

UpChuck has lost it again, hasn’t he?

Going after Gamergate people is really unwise.

White people gave us civilization. Millennials are not like boomers in their love/hate of being white.

SJWs will be on the ash heap of history, after “we” get done with them.

You think he’s pissed about the Bakersfield incident?

267 goddamnedfrank  Mar 15, 2015 1:09:23am

re: #260 goddamnedfrank

P.S. I reported the top two tweets to Twitter as targeted harassment and recommend others do too. Saying that you’re going after people’s family is beyond the pale.

268 goddamnedfrank  Mar 15, 2015 1:11:29am

re: #266 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Going after Gamergate people is really unwise.

Chris Kluwe is anti-GG and the Gamergaters hate him. Chuck has flirted with trying to grift off of them before, but he’s way late to the party and everyone’s onto him now.

269 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 15, 2015 1:18:34am

re: #268 goddamnedfrank

Chris Kluwe is anti-GG and the Gamergaters hate him. Chuck has flirted with trying to grift off of them before, but he’s way late to the party and everyone’s onto him now.

I’m mostly clueless about the details of the Gamergate fracas, since I’m not a gamer. Even so, I’m sure Kluwe has some hacker friends who could make Chuck’s life problematic if he carries out his threats, or even before he carries them out.

Like the signs at the zoo say, “Don’t tease the animals.”

270 goddamnedfrank  Mar 15, 2015 1:23:40am

re: #269 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’m mostly clueless about the details of the Gamergate fracas, since I’m not a gamer. Even so, I’m sure Kluwe has some hacker friends who could make Chuck’s life problematic if he carries out his threats, or even before he carries them out.

Like the signs at the zoo say, “Don’t tease the animals.”

Kluwe doesn’t need hackers, he’s got money. He’s a retired NFL kicker and can afford to hire lawyers if it comes to that.

271 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 15, 2015 1:26:20am

re: #270 goddamnedfrank

Ah, I got it. But what’s a moon-lawyer?

272 casterbridge  Mar 15, 2015 1:27:24am

re: #263 casterbridge

Cannot find Henry VII and Moore as I alluded to - but this is an interesting clip.

Summations of many important issues which are still being worked out 500 years later.

Man made laws versus some other version.

273 goddamnedfrank  Mar 15, 2015 1:28:41am

re: #271 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Ah, I got it. But what’s a moon-lawyer?

Someone who deals with lunatics?

274 casterbridge  Mar 15, 2015 1:31:19am

re: #272 casterbridge

Henry VIII

275 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 15, 2015 1:40:49am

re: #273 goddamnedfrank

Someone who deals with lunatics?

Or moon-bats? Former Apollo astronauts?

Kim Kardashian’s butt’s lawyers?

276 Lancelot Link  Mar 15, 2015 1:41:31am

re: #247 casterbridge

I am 94560; today was 85 nor any a drop to drink.

94551 here. Seems to be a hefty Bay Area contingent…

277 BillinGlendaleCA  Mar 15, 2015 1:53:52am

re: #270 goddamnedfrank

Kluwe’s a retired NFL punter, it’s a slightly different skill set than a kicker. That said, he might not have too much trouble kicking a field goal. I saw him play in college. Chucky may think that since Kluwe’s a jock and he went to a public school(UCLA), he’s not all that bright. Chucky’s in for a bit of a surprise.

278 BillinGlendaleCA  Mar 15, 2015 1:55:34am

re: #276 Lancelot Link

Was 90 yesterday, it’s supposed to be 92 today here in beautiful downtown Glendale.

279 Dr Lizardo  Mar 15, 2015 2:14:55am

re: #278 BillinGlendaleCA

Was 90 yesterday, it’s supposed to be 92 today here in beautiful downtown Glendale.

Damn; that’s hot. I grew up in South Pasadena, so I’d imagine it’s about the same there.

280 Dr Lizardo  Mar 15, 2015 2:24:56am

So, at the end of this month, it looks the moment of truth will arrive for the SYRIZA government in Greece - they might be out of dough by then, and if that’s the case, they won’t be able to meet their obligations (state salaries, pensions, etc.).

The article is in German, from Frankfurter Allgemeine, but it’s a good read.

Because then [the end of March - my edit] Athens has to repay two tranches of credit from the IMF, together [amounting to] nearly a billion euros. In addition, it must absorb 1.6 billion euros on the capital market to replace an outgoing government bond. Both could succeed [though] with sorrow and distress, experts believe - although there are hardly any investors who buy Greek papers. But at the end of the month is the moment of truth: Can the government fully pay pensions and salaries of state employees? Probably not. That would be a disaster for Tsipras.

faz.net

281 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 15, 2015 2:31:11am

re: #280 Dr Lizardo

So, at the end of this month, it looks the moment of truth will arrive for the SYRIZA government in Greece - they might be out of dough by then, and if that’s the case, they won’t be able to meet their obligations (state salaries, pensions, etc.).

The article is in German, from Frankfurter Allgemeine, but it’s a good read.

faz.net

Sounds like Gofundme might be a last resort. //

282 BillinGlendaleCA  Mar 15, 2015 2:45:46am

re: #279 Dr Lizardo

I’m sorta used to it growing up in 1000 Oaks, but March? Also, the LA Marathon is this morning, in about 4 hours, those poor runners.

283 Dr Lizardo  Mar 15, 2015 2:59:47am

re: #282 BillinGlendaleCA

I’m sorta used to it growing up in 1000 Oaks, but March? Also, the LA Marathon is this morning, in about 4 hours, those poor runners.

Indeed, they have my sympathies. Running a marathon in that sort of heat strikes me as unbearable. Hell, I don’t even like walking to the store (about 5 minutes away) when it gets that hot here!

284 Dr Lizardo  Mar 15, 2015 3:00:34am

re: #281 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Sounds like Gofundme might be a last resort. //

Heh. Hey, it’s worth a shot!

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285 Dark_Falcon  Mar 15, 2015 4:11:20am

re: #284 Dr Lizardo

Heh. Hey, it’s worth a shot!

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Given Syriza’s far-left stances in government, this conservative greets their downfall with a certain amount of satisfaction. Granted that ordinary Greeks will suffer badly, but perhaps they’ll learn that the far-left is economically illiterate and that when you elect defiant and belligerence economic illiterates when your country is having a debt crisis, disaster will reliably follow in train.

286 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Mar 15, 2015 4:15:39am

re: #285 Dark_Falcon

Granted that ordinary Greeks will suffer badly

Think for a goddamn second about what you’re saying. Just for a fucking second. This literally means starvation for people and you’re gloating.

It’s disgusting when people crow about poverty and ignorance in the South here as proper payback for them electing economically moronic Republicans, and it’s disgusting and foul for you to do the same to Greece.

Defiant and belligerent economic illiterates is a near-exact description of the cavalcade of lunacy and bitter stupidity that the GOP has unleashed on the US with its repeated thuggish threats to refuse to follow its constitutional duty and pay the debts of the United States, as well.

287 WhatEVs  Mar 15, 2015 4:18:45am

re: #285 Dark_Falcon

Given Syriza’s far-left stances in government, this conservative greets their downfall with a certain amount of satisfaction. Granted that ordinary Greeks will suffer badly, but perhaps they’ll learn that the far-left is economically illiterate and that when you elect defiant and belligerence economic illiterates when your country is having a debt crisis, disaster will reliably follow in train.

Yeah, they’ll suffer. And they’ll suffer badly. But FTW! Go conservatives!!

Jesus Christ. Those are FUCKING PEOPLE.

288 Dark_Falcon  Mar 15, 2015 4:18:58am

re: #265 Kragar

Reminds me of this incident as well:

Battle of Ramree Island

Yes, but there’s a difference:

The crew of the Indianapolis had no option but to wait and pray for rescue, whereas the majority of the Japanese soldiers on Ramree Island could have avoided death by surrendering to the British. But they regarded surrender as a disgrace worse than death, so they in effect chose to be eaten by the crocodiles.

289 Kragar  Mar 15, 2015 4:31:30am

re: #288 Dark_Falcon

I said it reminded me of the incident.

Another notable difference. At Ramree, troops surrounding the swamp would drive Japanese soldiers back into the swamps to keep them from escaping, so their choice was to get shot, die from disease and exposure or get eaten by crocs.

290 Dark_Falcon  Mar 15, 2015 4:33:07am

re: #287 WhatEVs

Yeah, they’ll suffer. And they’ll suffer badly. But FTW! Go conservatives!!

Jesus Christ. Those are FUCKING PEOPLE.

Who in my opinion have like the Japanese soldiers on Ramree Island have a choice to make: Swallow their pride and admit defeat, or face the consequences of their own and their nation’s bad choices.

Greece has had chance upon chance to enact needed reforms and improve its government’s functionality and it has failed to use those chances. Too many Greeks, for example, still think of evading taxes as their right. If they want to think that way, then its their right to think that way. But others in Europe are growing unwilling to keep rescuing Greeks from the consequences of their bad judgement.

And they should be unwilling, for I don’t think Greeks will change their mindset until they are forced to do so. The only viable alternative to a massive economic crisis in Greece is a massive attitude adjustment in Greece.

Note: Post Edited.

291 Dark_Falcon  Mar 15, 2015 4:35:27am

re: #289 Kragar

I said it reminded me of the incident.

Another notable difference. At Ramree, troops surrounding the swamp would drive Japanese soldiers back into the swamps to keep them from escaping, so their choice was to get shot, die from disease and exposure or get eaten by crocs.

Or again, they could have surrendered. The British would have accepted their surrender but the then-prevalent interpretation of Bushido disallowed that option.

292 Targetpractice  Mar 15, 2015 4:41:15am

It is possible to express approval of Greece being in a crisis of its own design without seeming to take glee at the consequences of said crisis.

293 Dark_Falcon  Mar 15, 2015 4:42:55am

re: #292 Targetpractice

It is possible to express approval of Greece being in a crisis of its own design without seeming to take glee at the consequences of said crisis.

Well, its a maneuver I’m not capable of. My annoyance is too great.

294 Nyet  Mar 15, 2015 4:43:18am

re: #248 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Welcome to non-lurker status. Did you bring beer? It’s a tradition.

ftfy

295 Nyet  Mar 15, 2015 4:44:36am

Syriza are Putin’s friends. Fuck’em.

296 Nyet  Mar 15, 2015 4:47:14am

The liberal channel Dozhd says Putin merely has a flu.

297 Targetpractice  Mar 15, 2015 4:47:41am

re: #296 Nyet

The liberal Dozhd channel says Putin merely has a flu.

Of the 9mm variety?

298 Justanotherhuman  Mar 15, 2015 4:48:45am

Hurray! We’re in for highs in the 70s (maybe 80 tomorrow) for the next 3 days! Then, it’s a bit downhill again, to the low 60s and even 53 on Thurs.

I like a little stability myself, but we don’t seem to be getting it in the weather.

St Patrick’s Day now seems to be a full-fledged holiday like any other, even though no one gets off work. Around here, it’s an excuse to party all weekend and then some and have some sales. Pub crawls and a booze it and lose it campaign, so the traffic cops are out full force. And the official saint’s day isn’t until Tues, not that most southerners even know anything about it, so it will just come and go.

And BTW, DF, the Greeks aren’t soldiers who are at risk of real crocodiles although some would label the banks that way. This is an economic situation and many people lost everything, including their livelihoods, under strict terms of “austerity” already.

You sound as though you approve of people being “punished” for their political stance (except when it’s strictly conservative) even if they commit suicide, which some did previously, by austere measures that provide profits for the banks that hold them hostages. That’s pretty disgusting.

299 Justanotherhuman  Mar 15, 2015 4:52:14am

This is disgusting, too.

Report: More than 100 Germans fighting alongside pro-Russian separatists in east Ukraine - @dpa
end of alert

300 Nyet  Mar 15, 2015 4:52:53am

Adagamov says that acc. to his sources the accreditation of journalists for the tomorrow meeting of Putin and the pres. of Kyrgyzstan has been annulled (grain of salt and all that).

301 Dr Lizardo  Mar 15, 2015 4:53:43am

re: #296 Nyet

The liberal channel Dozhd says Putin merely has a flu.

There’s been a nasty flu bug going around here in Europe - it laid up a few of my students for a couple of weeks or so; that being the case, if Putin indeed caught the flu, it doesn’t surprise me much that he’d be out of sight for a bit.

302 Teukka  Mar 15, 2015 4:54:33am

re: #301 Dr Lizardo

There’s been a nasty flu bug going around here in Europe - it laid up a few of my students for a couple of weeks or so; that being the case, if Putin indeed caught the flu, it doesn’t surprise me much that he’d be out of sight for a bit.

Yeah, if it’s anything like what I got hammered with, it is a monster.

303 Decatur Deb  Mar 15, 2015 4:54:37am

re: #290 Dark_Falcon

Who in my opinion have like the Japanese soldiers on Ramree Island have a choice to make: Swallow their pride and admit defeat, or face the consequences of their own and their nation’s bad choices.

snip…

And they should be unwilling, for I don’t think Greeks will change their mindset until they are forced to do so. The only viable alternative to a massive economic crisis in Greece is a massive attitude adjustment in Greece.

Note: Post Edited.

Such sweeping attitude adjustments are often accompanied by loud noises and unmarked trenches.

‘Morning, all.

304 Decatur Deb  Mar 15, 2015 4:57:01am

re: #299 Justanotherhuman

This is disgusting, too.

Report: More than 100 Germans fighting alongside pro-Russian separatists in east Ukraine - @dpa
end of alert

Nostalgia.

305 Justanotherhuman  Mar 15, 2015 4:57:58am

Malaysian aviation just can’t catch a break.

instagram.com

306 Nyet  Mar 15, 2015 4:58:32am

re: #202 BeenHereAwhile

More OT speculation, but invoking 24 - 48 hour rule:

@anders_aslund: What to look for: On Monday Putin is supposed to reappear with Draconian laws and big government change. If not, very good: hardliner loss.

Gotta love the weasel language. “Supposed” by whom?

307 Justanotherhuman  Mar 15, 2015 4:59:30am

re: #305 Justanotherhuman

Those were actually Indonesian aircraft, though.

308 Dr Lizardo  Mar 15, 2015 5:01:09am

So, I discovered a tearoom not far from me - about a five minute walk across the street, right at the edge of the Belsky Forest. It looks interesting, and Imma thinking I’ll have to check it out in the next week or so.

cajovna-vyskovice.cz

309 Decatur Deb  Mar 15, 2015 5:03:56am

re: #308 Dr Lizardo

So, I discovered a tearoom not far from me - about a five minute walk across the street, right at the edge of the Belsky Forest. It looks interesting, and Imma thinking I’ll have to check it out in the next week or so.

cajovna-vyskovice.cz

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Totally drug-free, dude.

310 Justanotherhuman  Mar 15, 2015 5:04:14am

re: #308 Dr Lizardo

Hookahs!

311 Justanotherhuman  Mar 15, 2015 5:05:27am

re: #308 Dr Lizardo

You have to have a reservation?

312 Nyet  Mar 15, 2015 5:08:16am

A flu would explain the lack of public activity combined with the evidence for private activity. E.g. on the “dead/coup” theories it is hard to explain why this press release about a talk between Putin and Sargsyan on 12.03 would be on the site of the Armenian president. On these assumptions Armenia is in on the conspiracy.

313 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Mar 15, 2015 5:08:43am

re: #290 Dark_Falcon

Greece has had chance upon chance to enact needed reforms and improve its government’s functionality and it has failed to use those chances. Too many Greeks, for example, still think of evading taxes as their right. If they want to think that way, then its their right to think that way. But others in Europe are growing unwilling to keep rescuing Greeks from the consequences of their bad judgement.

Evading taxes, by the way, is not part of a far-left problem. In this post, you’ve deftly moved from your ham-handed attack on the ideology to a real, actual criticism: Greece has a cultural problem with tax evasion. The ease with which you move from an ignorant attack on ideology—as if it’s this far-left party’s fault that Greece is in the position it is in, that their policies put them there—to one of the real reasons for Greece’s problem without acknowledging it at all is startling. Do you even realize when you do this?

314 Dr Lizardo  Mar 15, 2015 5:08:47am

re: #311 Justanotherhuman

You have to have a reservation?

Only if you wanna have a shindig there or something. Otherwise, it’s just walk-in.

315 Justanotherhuman  Mar 15, 2015 5:13:16am

Kremlin press secretary refuses to comment on Putin’s whereabouts - Interfax
end of alert

fueling speculation and garnering a lot of publicity.

316 Decatur Deb  Mar 15, 2015 5:14:07am

re: #312 Nyet

A flu would explain the lack of public activity combined with the evidence for private activity. E.g. on the “dead/coup” theories it is hard to explain why this press release about a talk between Putin and Sargsyan on 12.03 would be on the site of the Armenian president. On these assumptions Armenia is in on the conspiracy.

In post-Soviet Russia, virus is out-polling President.

317 Dr Lizardo  Mar 15, 2015 5:15:25am

re: #315 Justanotherhuman

Kremlin press secretary refuses to comment on Putin’s whereabouts - Interfax
end of alert

fueling speculation and garnering a lot of publicity.

That does strike me as rather odd, I must say - at least to me. I mean what kind of Press Secretary says ‘No Comment’ when asked where el Jefe is?

I can see why speculation is so rife.

318 Nyet  Mar 15, 2015 5:18:04am

re: #317 Dr Lizardo

That does strike me as rather odd, I must say - at least to me. I mean what kind of Press Secretary says ‘No Comment’ when asked where el Jefe is?

I can see why speculation is so rife.

Yesterday I proposed that this might be a new form of trolling.

319 Justanotherhuman  Mar 15, 2015 5:19:20am

Maybe Putin is just having more plastic surgery?

Where is Vladimir Putin? Russia’s President has been awol for 10 days and the rumour mill is in overdrive

independent.co.uk

(snip)

“Mr Putin has form when it comes to cover-ups. In 2010, he arrived at a press conference in Ukraine with heavy make-up over what appeared to be dark bruising around his left eye. Mr Peskov blamed poor lighting, but the Russian media has quoted plastic surgeons saying that the President has had Botox and other operations on his remarkably smooth face.” More

320 Nyet  Mar 15, 2015 5:24:48am

re: #319 Justanotherhuman

Hehe, Botox gone wrong.

321 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Mar 15, 2015 5:25:50am

re: #318 Nyet

Yesterday I proposed that this might be a new form of trolling.

It might be a kind of experiment. I mean, Putin is getting on, he will eventually either get seriously ill or otherwise get incapacitated, and they want to see what will happen. Maybe that’s too much forward planning for that bunch of nutters.

Side note: A classmate of mine is a grandson of Walther Funk. He’s open about it and he volunteers helping Roma refugees apply for asylum in the US; he wants to go to law school and do that for his career.

322 Nyet  Mar 15, 2015 5:28:20am

His face did get deformed over the time, quite possibly as a result of Botox or something similar.

323 Nyet  Mar 15, 2015 5:31:17am

re: #321 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

It might be a kind of experiment. I mean, Putin is getting on, he will eventually either get seriously ill or otherwise get incapacitated, and they want to see what will happen. Maybe that’s too much forward planning for that bunch of nutters.

Maybe both - the flu (or whatever) gives them a chance to observe the reactions.

Side note: A classmate of mine is a grandson of Walther Funk. He’s open about it and he volunteers helping Roma refugees apply for asylum in the US; he wants to go to law school and do that for his career.

Wow! How old is he?

324 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 15, 2015 5:33:23am

re: #263 casterbridge

Robert Shaw. Need to find the clip from Man for All Seasons as Henry VIII looking for Thomas Moore in a crowd. Perfect example of the inability of power to understand principle.

Watched that movie twice in the past few months. What great acting!

And welcome, hatchling.

325 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 15, 2015 5:40:02am

re: #313 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

Evading taxes, by the way, is not part of a far-left problem. In this post, you’ve deftly moved from your ham-handed attack on the ideology to a real, actual criticism: Greece has a cultural problem with tax evasion. The ease with which you move from an ignorant attack on ideology—as if it’s this far-left party’s fault that Greece is in the position it is in, that their policies put them there—to one of the real reasons for Greece’s problem without acknowledging it at all is startling. Do you even realize when you do this?

It should be noted that Greece isn’t the only country under austerity, and the others (Spain, Ireland, etc.) have also been questioning the terms of their agreements with the troika. There is an entire generation of Europeans who have been wrecked because they lost the womb lottery.

Austerity is a ruthless master who punishes ordinary people so that financial masters can get their payday. Fuck austerity.

326 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Mar 15, 2015 5:41:19am

re: #323 Nyet

He’s a little older than me, I think. In his early forties.

327 Targetpractice  Mar 15, 2015 5:42:36am

re: #325 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

It should be noted that Greece isn’t the only country under austerity, and the others (Spain, Ireland, etc.) have also been questioning the terms of their agreements with the troika. There is an entire generation of Europeans who have been wrecked because they lost the womb lottery.

Austerity is a ruthless master who punishes ordinary people so that financial masters can get their payday. Fuck austerity.

Austerity is a joke that long ago stopped being funny. The continued insistence that it will work in Greece, despite all the evidence that it hasn’t worked anywhere it’s been tried since ‘08, is in part the reason why the Greeks felt the bailouts weren’t worth the shit they were putting up with. There’s been absolutely no carrot in the deals they’ve been given, just all stick.

328 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Mar 15, 2015 5:44:27am

re: #325 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

The eptiome of austerity to me was this picture:

Image: cameron%20thumb.jpg

Preaching austerity while eating from gold plates.

I agree we need austerity. We need it for the ultra-wealthy, because the concentration of wealth is poison to capitalism. If we want capitalism to succeed as an economic system, we need to safeguard it against its known and obvious flaws.

329 Justanotherhuman  Mar 15, 2015 5:48:39am

re: #328 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

The eptiome of austerity to me was this picture:

Image: cameron%20thumb.jpg

Preaching austerity while eating from gold plates.

I agree we need austerity. We need it for the ultra-wealthy, because the concentration of wealth is poison to capitalism. If we want capitalism to succeed as an economic system, we need to safeguard it against its known and obvious flaws.

You’re doing an excellent job with that 98%. : )

330 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 15, 2015 5:54:34am

“When Perry launched a similar radio campaign attacking New York for excessive regulation and inviting its businesses to “Go Big in Texas,” he inspired the comedian Lewis Black to strike back with a “Don’t F*** with NY” video that aired on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart. “You say we got too much regulation,” Black countercharged. “We’ve got Wall Street. They break the law for a living and never get punished.”“

Heh. Sad but true.

331 Nyet  Mar 15, 2015 5:57:48am

Elena Masyuk has published this report on her conversation with Dadayev, who says that he was tortured with electricity for three days in order to make him confess. She parenthetically notes that the chronology doesn’t seem to quite fit. Also, he didn’t mention anything about electricity the first time he described his alleged torture.

Anyway, it’s quite probable that some form of torture was applied considering: 1) Russia; 2) Chechnya/Ingushetia; 3) FSB; 4) the nature of the case. Even if this were not so, even in the best circumstances a retraction destroys the value of a confession (with some exceptions, when it can be proven that the retraction itself was bogus).

So this only confirms the old rule that an uncorroborated confession is hardly a strong proof of anything. It remains to be seen what hard evidence the investigation has. (I don’t doubt they can present quite a lot. Whether it then withstands scrutiny is another issue.)

It should be taken into account that it is in Kadyrov et al.’s interest to discredit the investigation as soon and as much as possible, and the suspects know it too.

332 goddamnedfrank  Mar 15, 2015 6:02:23am

re: #313 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

Without any real polling data to back me up, I’m guessing that the tax exemptions enjoyed by ship owners on profits in that industry must piss off a lot of middle class Greeks. My gut feeling is that this long term policy combined with offshore flagged vessels has helped justify a lot of the rampant tax evasion in the minds of many Greeks. If the richest effectively don’t have to pay much if anything then it becomes progressively more and more difficult to convince everyone else of their civic responsibility.

333 Justanotherhuman  Mar 15, 2015 6:09:13am

re: #332 goddamnedfrank

Well, for sure, the average Greek must feel as though the Eurogroup is kicking them while they’re down. And they showed that in the Jan election.

334 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 15, 2015 6:22:13am

re: #332 goddamnedfrank

Without any real polling data to back me up, I’m guessing that the tax exemptions enjoyed by ship owners on profits in that industry must piss off a lot of middle class Greeks. My gut feeling is that this long term policy combined with offshore flagged vessels has helped justify a lot of the rampant tax evasion in the minds of many Greeks. If the richest effectively don’t have to pay much if anything then it becomes progressively more and more difficult to convince everyone else of their civic responsibility.

I’m not sure that won’t eventually happen in the U.S., unless the off-shore tax haven loopholes are closed … somehow.

335 Justanotherhuman  Mar 15, 2015 6:34:39am

re: #334 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Oh, it’s already happening. In spite of R rhetoric to the contrary, most people who work for a living resent the inequality of income in the US. Some may have their anger mitigated somewhat by a decent paycheck which allows them to keep their heads above water for a period of time, but it’s hard to tread water when there’s no lifeboat available, and for many, that’s a daily situation.

Even among those who embrace a kind of racist “national socialism” due only to their own situation, they would just as soon have some wealthy heads on pikes as not.

336 Targetpractice  Mar 15, 2015 6:45:02am

Prepare for some vein poppin’:

337 Nyet  Mar 15, 2015 6:50:29am

Lots of the reporting on Russia these days reminds one of the worst days of “Sovietology”, when “experts” were making far-reaching conclusions based on what the Soviet leaders were wearing or how they stood on the Mausoleum. Even the Interpreter Magazine succumbed to this, quoting an anonymous Ukrainian blogger’s analysis as if it were worth something.

338 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 15, 2015 6:52:25am

Quoted for truth from Wonkette:

In fact, the really rich part is my son, who is 20 now, no longer thinks I am his mom (and this makes me cry sometimes, and be sad), even though I never even locked him in his room with just video surveillance or did an exorcism to cast Lucifer from his little body or gave him away to anyone, rapist or not! Instead, like, I coached his T-ball team! (Poorly!) And did his homework with him! And took him to galleries and restaurants and city council meetings and peace rallies and St. Martin and Maine and Mt. Rushmore! (And oh, the sulk you should have seen on that teenager’s face, as he sunned himself on that Caribbean beach!)

It is the mark of a good man to stand by a friend in extremis. It is the mark of a repugnant, devious asshole to blame others for that friend’s indefensible actions. Mark Martin, perhaps I cannot judge you, as I have never had a friend abandon his children to a rapist and then blame anyone he could find, most especially the children themselves.

339 Tigger2  Mar 15, 2015 6:53:21am

re: #336 Targetpractice

Prepare for some vein poppin’:

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What a lot of people in this Country has forgotten is that sometimes you can get more accomplished with talk then you can with guns.

340 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Mar 15, 2015 6:54:45am

re: #55 Eclectic Cyborg

You know who else invaded Poland?

The USSR.

341 Dark_Falcon  Mar 15, 2015 6:54:58am

re: #336 Targetpractice

Prepare for some vein poppin’:

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That won’t create vein-popping at least not on the American right, because the people whose veins would pop (which does not include me) have largely seen John Kerry as a “spineless, tyrant appeasing traitor” since 2004. they’ll just treat this as confirmation.

But in Turkey, whose government seriously wants Assad gone, veins may well pop. We could forestall that by having Kerry make clear that any such negotiations would be on the terms of exile for the Assad family. The problem with such a caveat is that Bashar Assad is unlike to accept terms that see him and his family exiled, since he and his intel-chief brother think they can win the civil war in Syria and thus keep power.

342 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 15, 2015 6:57:12am

re: #341 Dark_Falcon

That won’t create vein-popping at least not on the American right, because the people whose veins would pop (which does not include me) have largely seen John Kerry as a “spineless, tyrant appeasing traitor” since 2004. they’ll just treat this as confirmation.

But in Turkey, whose government seriously wants Assad gone, veins may well pop. We could forestall that by having Kerry make clear that any such negotiations would be on the terms of exile for the Assad family. The problem with such a caveat is that Bashar Assad is unlike to accept terms that see him and his family exiled, since he and his intel-chief brother think they can win the civil war in Syria and thus keep power.

No State department statement is ever released or spoken without heavy editing. I’m sure Turkey and the other countries around Syria have seen this statement, vetted it, and found it acceptable. (Also, Erdegon in Turkey is an asshole)

343 Doofus  Mar 15, 2015 6:58:49am

Pancakes are up, I add a little vanilla to my batter to make it extra scrumptious.

344 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 15, 2015 6:59:42am

re: #343 Doofus

I’ll have two, with a little extra butter and syrup please :)

345 Tigger2  Mar 15, 2015 7:01:01am

re: #343 Doofus

Pancakes are up, I add a little vanilla to my batter to make it extra scrumptious.

Sounds good.

346 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 15, 2015 7:03:43am

In exchange, I offer puppy :)

Breakfast!
347 Dark_Falcon  Mar 15, 2015 7:04:31am

re: #342 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

No State department statement is ever released or spoken without heavy editing. I’m sure Turkey and the other countries around Syria have seen this statement, vetted it, and found it acceptable. (Also, Erdegon in Turkey is an asshole)

I’m not so sure. Kerry’s been known to speak off the cuff and mess up in the past. Don’t put unbreakable faith in the Department of State (DoS), because they can goof up badly at times as well.

348 Doofus  Mar 15, 2015 7:07:05am

Since HRC is in the news I get to enjoy some James Carville on the tv!

349 Justanotherhuman  Mar 15, 2015 7:07:08am

Just a reminder about wealth inequality in the US. Also a reminder to the Republicans about what this means if it’s allowed to continue, because while people don’t necessarily mind having less for a short period of time, it doesn’t mean that they’re willing to settle for absolutely nothing. And that seems to be where we might be heading if nothing is done about it.

inequality.org

350 Tigger2  Mar 15, 2015 7:07:33am

re: #347 Dark_Falcon

I’m not so sure. Kerry’s been known to speak off the cuff and mess up in the past. Don’t put unbreakable faith in the Department of State (DoS), because they can goof up badly at times as well.

Until Turkey gets off is ass and helps agaist ISIS I really don’t care what they think.

351 Tigger2  Mar 15, 2015 7:10:00am

re: #348 Doofus

Since HRC is in the news I get to enjoy some James Carville on the tv!

He has a great sense of humor.

352 Dark_Falcon  Mar 15, 2015 7:11:12am

re: #348 Doofus

Since HRC is in the news I get to enjoy some James Carville on the tv!

I can’t really get going on that because the liberals here get mad when I go hard after Hillary’s PR people. They don’t seem to understand how important such tirades are for the preservation of American Democracy. If we right-wingers cannot use this email imbroglio to indulge in our traditional Obsessive Clinton Bashing, its like ISIS has won!!1

//////////////////////////////////////Entirely kidding.

353 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 15, 2015 7:11:31am

re: #347 Dark_Falcon

I’m not so sure. Kerry’s been known to speak off the cuff and mess up in the past. Don’t put unbreakable faith in the Department of State (DoS), because they can goof up badly at times as well.

Yeah, I remember that from the Reagan years.

354 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 15, 2015 7:12:35am

re: #352 Dark_Falcon

Hillary’s PR people have always been shit. I can’t believe the people they let on the plane.

355 Doofus  Mar 15, 2015 7:14:21am

re: #351 Tigger2

He does a good job at jerking me off with my pants on.

357 Nyet  Mar 15, 2015 7:26:28am

re: #356 Nyet

A week before the election, a new low was reached in the campaign when Avigdor Liberman, head of Israel Beiteinu and foreign minister of Israel, told an audience at a highly-regarded college, Herzliya’s Interdisciplinary Center, that the thing to do with any Arab citizen who is “against us” is to “lift up an axe and remove his head, otherwise we won’t survive here.” This statement got no reaction whatsoever in Israel, except from Arabs and leftists (though not from “leftists” Herzog or Livni).

I knew Liberman was a neo-fascist (when you have even Marty Peretz calling you an Israeli Jörg Haider, you pretty much are), but that almost puts him on the level of ISIS.

358 Tigger2  Mar 15, 2015 7:30:44am

I’m not much into Israeli politics, and I wish they would stay out of ours.
And by that statement I don’t mean the Jewish people living in the U.S.

359 wrenchwench  Mar 15, 2015 7:31:16am

re: #347 Dark_Falcon

I’m not so sure. Kerry’s been known to speak off the cuff and mess up in the past. Don’t put unbreakable faith in the Department of State (DoS), because they can goof up badly at times as well.

360 Justanotherhuman  Mar 15, 2015 7:37:22am

This guy has gotten away with far too much.

361 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 7:38:17am

This guy (Harris) and his wife are monsters.

362 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 7:41:27am

re: #360 Justanotherhuman

This guy has gotten away with far too much.

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Such a weird case.

363 Tigger2  Mar 15, 2015 7:41:27am

re: #360 Justanotherhuman

This guy has gotten away with far too much.

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When you have a lot of money it works that way, that’s part of what’s wrong in this country. Then again it has almost always been that way.

364 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 7:42:50am

re: #363 Tigger2

When you have a lot of money it works that way, that’s part of what’s wrong in this country.

A man who has never gone to school may steal from a freight car; but if he has a university education, he may steal the whole railroad.
TR
You can use that in regards to income too and what TR didn’t add is the man who steals from the freight car i,e, petty offenders will get punished more and more severely than the man who steals the whole damn thing i.e. big wig corporate crooks.

365 Justanotherhuman  Mar 15, 2015 7:44:43am

re: #363 Tigger2

Yes, his money must have impressed the jury that found him not guilty even after he admitted he killed and dismembered an elderly neighbor in a boarding house. And he’s also a suspect in his wife’s murder (and probably had something to do with Susan Berman’s murder, too).

And thinks he can get away with pissing on candy displays.

He should have been committed long ago, before he started his murder spree and other felonies and misdemeanors.

366 stpaulbear  Mar 15, 2015 7:48:40am

re: #238 Kragar

Updated the page. Ex-employees of Harris are claiming Harris would conduct exorcisms of misbehaving students at the schools.

It’s pretty revealing that the only parent of a pre-school kid who was willing to talk to the reporter said that he really liked the school because they teach the kids religion. Government funded school does what?

Harris needs to have his funding stopped, get kicked out of government, and spend the rest of his life scrubbing toilets.

367 Justanotherhuman  Mar 15, 2015 7:53:56am

This is just horrific.

Police detain 8 men in Indian nun rape investigation

bbc.com

“The CCTV images were released by police who offered a reward of 100,000 rupees ($1,500, £1,000) for any information on the suspects.

“AFP report that four of the six attackers have been identified through the video footage.

“The attackers ransacked the convent school in Ranaghat early on Saturday morning and stole money before raping the nun in the convent itself.” More

368 Tigger2  Mar 15, 2015 7:56:28am

re: #366 stpaulbear

It’s pretty revealing that the only parent of a pre-school kid who was willing to talk to the reporter said that he really liked the school because they teach the kids religion. Government funded school does what?

Harris needs to have his funding stopped, get kicked out of government, and spend the rest of his life scrubbing toilets.

If I had a kid in that school and Harris preformed an exorcism in her then Dr’s would have to preform surgery on Harris to extract my foot out of his ass.

369 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 7:59:54am

re: #368 Tigger2

If I had a kid in that school and Harris preformed an exorcism in her then Dr’s would have to preform surgery on Harris to extract my foot out of his ass.

Would that be before or after he had fists removed from his jaw? What an awful person he is. Really exorcisms on children? And children that young too. This guy is the poster child for why the RR is such a poison movement.

370 Justanotherhuman  Mar 15, 2015 8:06:02am

Son of Iran’s former president sentenced to prison, fine

en.trend.az

371 makeitstop  Mar 15, 2015 8:06:15am

This story just does not stop making me angry.

372 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 8:09:07am

I don’t feel like Harris cared about those girls at all. He just saw them as a political tool. Make him look like this family man to the electorate while he was abusing them behind the scenes. There is no excuse at all for hitting a 3 year old.

373 Tigger2  Mar 15, 2015 8:11:51am

re: #369 HappyWarrior

Would that be before or after he had fists removed from his jaw? What an awful person he is. Really exorcisms on children? And children that young too. This guy is the poster child for why the RR is such a poison movement.

I went after a Gym teacher my daughter had once when he made her get into the pool without her goggles (she had forgotten them at home) and she lost her contacts.
She had told the Gym teacher she had contacts and couldn’t get in the pool,
She called me at work and was crying about it and I could hear him in the background screaming at her. I left work fast when I got to the school I was mad as hell they sent the teacher home I was looking for him, I took my daughter out of that school before I left.

374 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 8:13:37am

re: #373 Tigger2

I went after a Gym teacher my daughter had once when he made her get into the pool without her goggles (she had forgotten them at home) and lost her contacts.
She had told the Gym teacher she had contacts and couldn’t get in the pool,
She called me at work and was crying about it and I could hear him in the background screaming at her. I left work fast when I got to the school I was mad as hell they sent the teacher home and I took my daughter out of that school before I left.

You did the right thing. I am not a parent but if I had a parent at Harris’s school and I found at what he was doing, I would not just pull my child out but also tell the other parents to do the same. This case just makes me sick to my stomach because of the victims involved.

375 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 15, 2015 8:14:03am

Good morning Lizards. Cloudy and cool (45F) in Philly. Feels cold after spending a week in 60s-70s F weather. (hmmph)

en.wikipedia.org

Kaolinite mine in Georgia
Strata dug through to reach the good stuff

My brother was looking for these due to wanting to get a look at one of the levels above the kaolinite. (It’s the blue-green layer in the second photo.)

The water in the mine is pale blue due to fine suspended particles.

376 Justanotherhuman  Mar 15, 2015 8:15:19am

re: #373 Tigger2

Some teachers can be very punitive over the slightest mistake a kid makes.

It seems to be part of an ultra-competitive, authoritarian mindset.

These are the kinds of people who shouldn’t be in the teaching profession. Teaching kids takes patience and they’re all not alike.

377 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 8:16:58am

re: #376 Justanotherhuman

Some teachers can be very punitive over the slightest mistake a kid makes.

It seems to be part of an ultra-competitive, authoritarian mindset.

These are the kinds of people who shouldn’t be in the teaching profession. Teaching kids takes patience and they’re all not alike.

It’s the ultimate by-product of the reaction some have to what they see as society becoming too “soft.” I help coach kids in basketball. I never berate them. Do I get frustrated, sure I do, I’m only human but I would never berate a kid.

378 stpaulbear  Mar 15, 2015 8:18:57am

I’ve been reading some other stories at the arktimes while following the Harris story. This one about how the Waltons are literally taking over public schools in Arkansas is almost as nauseating as the Harris story.

It’s monumental legislation that would make all school teachers and administrators fire-at-will employees without due process rights. It would destroy the last remaining teacher union contract in Arkansas. It allows for the permanent end of democratic control of a school district or those portions of it privatized. It would capture property tax millage voted by taxpayers for specific purposes, including buildings, and give them to private operators. It would allow seizure of buildings for private operators at no cost.

arktimes.com

379 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 8:21:00am

Some people feel the only way to tell a kid they’re doing something wrong is through violence and or yelling. You treat someone with respect. Not only do they want to improve themselves but they respect you. My favorite football team’s defensive coach recently left the team after a long stint there and Coach LeBeau was someone universally admired by his players. They even called him Coach Dad. Pretty much all the players interviewed said they admired him because he treated them like men, didn’t yell, and one of them said that you want to play harder for someone who isn’t yelling at you because the incentive is that much more higher but all these wannabe tough guys want to be Gunnery Sgt Hartman rather than a fair but firm teacher.

380 BeachDem  Mar 15, 2015 8:21:38am

re: #360 Justanotherhuman

This guy has gotten away with far too much.

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Thought they’d wait till after tonight’s airing of “The Jinx,” a good, but way over-long documentary about the little toad. I think they have him on the LA murder with an envelope addressed to the police that matches one he sent to someone else with the same lettering and the same misspelling of “Beverly Hills” as Beverley. Durst even said that the envelope sent to the police was something “only the murderer could have sent.” Oops.

He is really creepy.

381 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 8:21:42am

re: #378 stpaulbear

I’ve been reading some other stories at the arktimes while following the Harris story. This one about how the Waltons are literally taking over public schools in Arkansas is almost as nauseating as the Harris story.

arktimes.com

Union busting where unions are already historically weak. Such a sham.

382 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 15, 2015 8:21:45am

re: #363 Tigger2

When you have a lot of money it works that way, that’s part of what’s wrong in this country.

…because they have succeeded in selling us the notion that rich people got that way because they are more moral, honest and hard-working than the rest of us.

383 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 8:23:16am

re: #382 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

…because they have succeeded in selling us the notion that rich people got that way because they are more moral, honest and hard-working than the rest of us.

Yep.

384 Dr Lizardo  Mar 15, 2015 8:24:13am

re: #382 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

…because they have succeeded in selling us the notion that rich people got that way because they are more moral, honest and hard-working than the rest of us.

Then how do the wingnuts explain George Soros? He’s their favorite bete noir, after all.

385 Dr Lizardo  Mar 15, 2015 8:27:48am

So, the San Diego Zoo has unveiled their new ‘butterfly jungle’ exhibit, and it looks cool, I must admit.

theguardian.com

(note: autoplay vid embedded at link)

Heh….this would’ve given a former flame of mine the screaming meemies - she was terrified of butterflies, for reasons I can’t even begin to imagine.

386 Tigger2  Mar 15, 2015 8:27:52am

re: #384 Dr Lizardo

Then how do the wingnuts explain George Soros? He’s their favorite bete noir, after all.

He stole his money, he didn’t earn it the right way. //////////

387 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 8:28:37am

re: #384 Dr Lizardo

Then how do the wingnuts explain George Soros? He’s their favorite bete noir, after all.

Easy, they call a guy who was sixteen when WWII ended a Nazi collaborator and that makes it all the more better and ignore the Koch Sr’s very real connections to some very fringe far right American groups like the JBS.

388 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 8:29:11am

re: #386 Tigger2

He stole his money, he didn’t earn it the right way. //////////

So you mean he didn’t inherit it.

389 Tigger2  Mar 15, 2015 8:33:39am

re: #388 HappyWarrior

So you mean he didn’t inherit it.

Nope he had to do it the hard way, that’s what they hate about him he pulled himself up by his bootstraps, the right hates is when someone on the left does that. haha

390 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 8:35:12am

re: #389 Tigger2

Nope he had to do it the hard way, that’s what they hate about him he pulled himself up by his bootstraps, the right hates is when someone on the left does that. haha

In my experience, it’s the self made guys that are more rational about things than the heirs. That is to say Warren Buffet is much more rational about taxes than David/Charles Koch.

391 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 15, 2015 8:35:30am

re: #384 Dr Lizardo

Then how do the wingnuts explain George Soros? He’s their favorite bete noir, after all.

He has betrayed his own class interests. One thing they hate more than a moocher or an upstart is a traitor.

392 Justanotherhuman  Mar 15, 2015 8:35:31am

re: #381 HappyWarrior

A permanent solution to keeping unions out. Bastards.

393 Tigger2  Mar 15, 2015 8:35:52am

re: #390 HappyWarrior

In my experience, it’s the self made guys that are more rational about things than the heirs. That is to say Warren Buffet is much more rational about taxes than David/Charles Koch.

Yep I agree.

394 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 15, 2015 8:37:28am

re: #390 HappyWarrior

In my experience, it’s the self made guys that are more rational about things than the heirs. That is to say Warren Buffet is much more rational about taxes than David/Charles Koch.

In an ideal world, wealth would reflect one’s efforts and intelligence, and the enlightened millionaires would understand how important it is to give everyone an equal chance and work towards structuring society accordingly.

In an ideal world…

395 Justanotherhuman  Mar 15, 2015 8:38:52am

Fucking bastard.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell says he plans to hold up Loretta Lynch’s confirmation until Senate passes human trafficking bill - @cnnbrk
read more on cnn.com

396 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 8:39:06am

re: #394 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

In an ideal world, wealth would reflect one’s efforts and intelligence, and the enlightened millionaires would understand how important it is to give everyone an equal chance and work towards structuring society accordingly.

In an ideal world…

Yeah, that’s why I think free market absolutists are ultimately as idealistic as the other side of that coin.

397 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 8:39:46am

re: #395 Justanotherhuman

Fucking bastard.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell says he plans to hold up Loretta Lynch’s confirmation until Senate passes human trafficking bill - @cnnbrk
read more on cnn.com

And yet he’ll keep on bitching about Holder. But Mitch is one of the good ones. //

398 Justanotherhuman  Mar 15, 2015 8:41:43am

re: #396 HappyWarrior

Well, even though Buffett admitted his secy paid more in taxes than he did, he still didn’t acknowledge how much she actually contributed to freeing him up to make all that money by taking care of a hell of a lot of pesky details.

Women are always underrated, even in lesser jobs, and that’s why “women’s work” will never be considered as valuable as a man’s.

399 Targetpractice  Mar 15, 2015 8:42:12am

re: #395 Justanotherhuman

Fucking bastard.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell says he plans to hold up Loretta Lynch’s confirmation until Senate passes human trafficking bill - @cnnbrk
read more on cnn.com

And he knows Democrats won’t allow that bill to pass so long as the GOP’s poison pill remains. Great idea, Mitch, drawing even more focus on how much attention Republicans give to abortion rather than things that actually matter.

400 Tigger2  Mar 15, 2015 8:42:21am

re: #397 HappyWarrior

And yet he’ll keep on bitching about Holder. But Mitch is one of the good ones. //

Holder should make their lives hell for keeping him in office when he want to step down.

401 BeachDem  Mar 15, 2015 8:42:49am

re: #390 HappyWarrior

In my experience, it’s the self made guys that are more rational about things than the heirs. That is to say Warren Buffet is much more rational about taxes than David/Charles Koch.

It also seems that often the second generation of the self-made man is usually 180 degrees the other way—dad worked for it, sonny took it for granted all his life and feels like he “earned” it. Then, either squanders it away or is a total prick. (Using male terms, because it is usually a male phenomenon.)

402 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 8:44:19am

re: #399 Targetpractice

And he knows Democrats won’t allow that bill to pass so long as the GOP’s poison pill remains. Great idea, Mitch, drawing even more focus on how much attention Republicans give to abortion rather than things that actually matter.

It’s for the base. The base that they’ve been promising to repeal Roe since Ronnie was running for president. But we keep on hearing how the Republicans are going to be mostly focused on fiscal issues one day. Yeah fuckin’ right.

403 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Mar 15, 2015 8:45:39am

re: #398 Justanotherhuman

Well, even though Buffett admitted his secy paid more in taxes than he did, he still didn’t acknowledge how much she actually contributed to freeing him up to make all that money by taking care of a hell of a lot of pesky details.

Women are always underrated, even in lesser jobs, and that’s why “women’s work” will never be considered as valuable as a man’s.

What is defined as women’s work also gets reassigned: Women used to make up the majority of programmers, back before it was a well-paying and seen as important.

404 Ace-o-aces  Mar 15, 2015 8:48:56am

That’s gotta sting.

405 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 8:50:56am

re: #404 Ace-o-aces

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That’s gotta sting.

Does anyone other than the HAW want anything to with him? Guy just seems to shit on everyone where-ever he goes.

406 Nyet  Mar 15, 2015 8:54:29am

Chuck retweets a fake Putin quote, ignores the de facto existence of Sharia in Chechnya.

407 BeenHereAwhile  Mar 15, 2015 8:54:43am

re: #337 Nyet

Lots of the reporting on Russia these days reminds one of the worst days of “Sovietology”, when “experts” were making far-reaching conclusions based on what the Soviet leaders were wearing or how they stood on the Mausoleum. Even the Interpreter Magazine succumbed to this, quoting an anonymous Ukrainian blogger’s analysis as if it were worth something.

True that; Surkov & family could be on vacation, and Aslund just another guy making stuff up:

@anders_aslund: Clearest indication so far: Putin’s aide on Ukraine Vladislav Surkov flew suddenly w family to Hong Kong = Putin losing & Ukraine policy key

408 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 8:57:22am

re: #406 Nyet

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Chuck retweets a fake Putin quote, ignores the de facto existence of Sharia in Chechnya.

I actually wasn’t aware of that myself but you could use that fake quote to apply to the fundamentalist Christian zealots too but she wouldn’t see the irony there.

409 Justanotherhuman  Mar 15, 2015 8:57:40am

re: #403 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

Well, the first secretaries were men. After women proved they could handle the “machine” (typewriter) and understood it, and were found to be proficient on it, bosses discovered they could pay women much less.

As has always been the case, men had “families to support” which is the excuse used over and over. That very phrase is what pushed me into second wave feminism since I was a divorced woman w/2 kids receiving little to no child support. I had to support my kids, as the majority of single mothers do and saw the inequities first hand. It’s still happening, in spite of the women execs the press likes to tout.

410 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 15, 2015 8:57:54am

re: #403 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

What is defined as women’s work also gets reassigned: Women used to make up the majority of programmers, back before it was a well-paying and seen as important.

Nice to see you back Obdicut. I missed your earlier appearance the other day.

411 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 15, 2015 8:59:46am

St. Patrick’s Day parade underway in Philadelphia.

412 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 15, 2015 9:00:35am

re: #396 HappyWarrior

Yeah, that’s why I think free market absolutists are ultimately as idealistic as the other side of that coin.

A “free market” requires both sides of an exchange to have all equivalent information regarding the transaction. In short, it doesn’t exist.

413 Nyet  Mar 15, 2015 9:01:14am

re: #407 BeenHereAwhile

What Aslund does is merely reading the Russian web. He is not more informed on the goings on than an average Russian blogger, but being a Prof. and such gives him an air of false “authority”.

414 Justanotherhuman  Mar 15, 2015 9:03:31am

If there were real equality in the workplace, women wouldn’t still be making $.77 for every dollar a man makes. The only way I see to make that happen is to value ‘women’s jobs” more than they are valued. It’s a matter of priorities in any type of economy.

415 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 15, 2015 9:04:57am

Hell, women didn’t get the full franchise until 1920s. The 19-fucking-20s.

416 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 9:05:11am

re: #412 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

A “free market” requires both sides of an exchange to have all equivalent information regarding the transaction. In short, it doesn’t exist.

Yep, that’s a good point too.

417 Timothy Watson  Mar 15, 2015 9:05:28am

re: #409 Justanotherhuman

Well, the first secretaries were men. After women proved they could handle the “machine” (typewriter) and understood it, and were found to be proficient on it, bosses discovered they could pay women much less.

As has always been the case, men had “families to support” which is the excuse used over and over. That very phrase is what pushed me into second wave feminism since I was a divorced woman w/2 kids receiving little to no child support. I had to support my kids, as the majority of single mothers do and saw the inequities first hand. It’s still happening, in spite of the women execs the press likes to tout.

418 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 9:06:09am

re: #415 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Hell, women didn’t get the full franchise until 1920s. The 19-fucking-20s.

It’s a disgrace.

419 Nyet  Mar 15, 2015 9:07:36am

Chuck retweets this:

Except he retweeted the photos only to say that these are the preparations for the Crimean parade on the 18th and the rumor is a “fake”.

420 Dr Lizardo  Mar 15, 2015 9:09:49am

Meawhile, in China:

Bees escape onto the Haining section on the Jiaxing-Shaoxing highway in east China’s Zhejiang Province on Thursday, after their carrier was hit by a truck. The bees were freed from around 100 bee boxes thrown open and scattered on the road in the accident. after the keepers’ painful efforts, most of the bees were returned back into their boxes, though thousands still hovered above.

BEES!!

蜜蜂

theguardian.com (autoplay vid embedded at link)

421 WhatEVs  Mar 15, 2015 9:11:40am

re: #395 Justanotherhuman

Fucking bastard.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell says he plans to hold up Loretta Lynch’s confirmation until Senate passes human trafficking anti-abortion bill - @cnnbrk
read more on cnn.com

SSDD

422 bratwurst  Mar 15, 2015 9:14:22am

re: #285 Dark_Falcon

Given Syriza’s far-left stances in government, this conservative greets their downfall with a certain amount of satisfaction. Granted that ordinary Greeks will suffer badly, but perhaps they’ll learn that the far-left is economically illiterate and that when you elect defiant and belligerence economic illiterates when your country is having a debt crisis, disaster will reliably follow in train.

This is an example of your mental illness where you need to place everything in the planet into a “CONSERVATIVE” or “NOT CONSERVATIVE” cubby hole and generally see the world as a giant Risk game board. I sincerely hope you will outgrow your severe empathy deficit someday, but I am not optimistic.

423 Dr Lizardo  Mar 15, 2015 9:14:39am

re: #419 Nyet

So are those vehicles there in prep for a parade on the 18th?

424 aagcobb  Mar 15, 2015 9:20:02am

re: #285 Dark_Falcon

Given Syriza’s far-left stances in government, this conservative greets their downfall with a certain amount of satisfaction. Granted that ordinary Greeks will suffer badly, but perhaps they’ll learn that the far-left is economically illiterate and that when you elect defiant and belligerence economic illiterates when your country is having a debt crisis, disaster will reliably follow in train.

Syriza was elected because the disaster has already hit Greece and been worsening for years. Of course its never a surprise when a conservative gets satisfaction from people suffering.

425 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 9:23:52am

I have to agree with Obdi’s statement above that the idea of people deserving punishment because of the votes they make is obscene. Agh. I don’t know much about the situation in Greece and frankly I don’t care. Politics isn’t a fucking game.

426 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 15, 2015 9:24:37am

re: #406 Nyet

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Chuck retweets a fake Putin quote, ignores the de facto existence of Sharia in Chechnya.

And it is not necessarily the case that those minorities came to Russia voluntarily from their homelands, it is more often the case that Russia conquered those territories and placed them under Russian/Soviet rule.

427 Justanotherhuman  Mar 15, 2015 9:35:18am

Look what the average pay is for those who care for our children while we work. bls.gov

And $9.38/hr is the median pay. The Munckin goes to pre-K at a commercial daycare center (which is paid by the State for that purpose—his home elem doesn’t have pre-K but some do), and the teachers there appear to be very dedicated to the kids. There are 16 kids in his class with 2 teachers (one an asst). Yet, even with Associate degrees in Early Childhood Ed, many of them start at much less than $9.38/hr, even while having the qualifications the State requires.

I’m not even going to mention regular teacher’s pay here, which requires at least a bachelor’s, and many times a master’s degree, and they’re expected to teach class sizes of up to 30 students.

We could be a lot better than this, if we wanted to be, if we as a country really value our kids, and value the work other women perform in caring for them and in other auxiliary jobs. After all, these kids are our future.

428 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 9:38:51am

re: #427 Justanotherhuman

Look what the average pay is for those who care for our children while we work. bls.gov

And $9.38/hr is the median pay. The Munckin goes to pre-K at a commercial daycare center (which is paid by the State for that purpose—his home elem doesn’t have pre-K but some do), and the teachers there appear to be very dedicated to the kids. There are 16 kids in his class with 2 teachers (one an asst). Yet, even with Associate degrees in Early Childhood Ed, many of them start at much less than $9.38/hr, even while having the qualifications the State requires.

I’m not even going to mention regular teacher’s pay here, which requires at least a bachelor’s, and many times a master’s degree, and they’re expected to teach class sizes of up to 30 students.

We could be a lot better than this, if we wanted to be, if we as a country really value our kids, and value the work other women perform in caring for them and in other auxiliary jobs. After all, these kids are our future.

The problem is we have too many people who want to be the greatest country in the world but will raise holy hell if they ever have to pay for it and they have a party the GOP to object to any tax increase that could help us. Of course, said same said party has never met a defense budget increase they haven’t liked.

429 Ace-o-aces  Mar 15, 2015 9:39:13am
430 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 9:43:47am

re: #429 Ace-o-aces

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All the grace and dignity of a high school mean girl. God if he’s like this as an adult, I can’t imagine how insufferable he was as a child.

431 Dr Lizardo  Mar 15, 2015 9:45:23am

re: #429 Ace-o-aces

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Nah, he’s talking about the turds in his pocket.

432 A Cranky One  Mar 15, 2015 9:46:39am

OT:

Last night Mrs Cranky was watching a performance on PBS by Loreena McKennitt. Loreena played harp on several of the tunes. Thanks to our resident harpist, I recognized it as a lever harp (never knew about lever harps until recently). I also noted that was the only instrument she played (of several) where she had to pay careful attention to the instrument as she played (actually looking at the instrument). Made me appreciate a bit more the skill required to play harp.

Also, I noticed that the cello player seemed to be playing a cello made of carbon fiber. Having never seen one, had to google and sure enough, they do make cellos with carbon fiber. Learn something new every day.

Loreena McKennitt

433 Dr. Matt  Mar 15, 2015 9:47:38am

re: #429 Ace-o-aces

434 Romantic Heretic  Mar 15, 2015 9:48:14am

re: #316 Decatur Deb

In post-Soviet Russia, virus is out-polling President.

Until one of the President’s cronies has a thug shoot the virus in a public place.

435 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 9:48:15am

Be careful Chris, Chuckles has a very particular set of skills that he’s acquired through the mail.

436 Dr. Matt  Mar 15, 2015 9:51:58am

So, why exactly is CCJ pissing his panties over Chris Kluwe?

437 A Cranky One  Mar 15, 2015 9:53:31am

re: #433 Dr. Matt

Sadistic little shit, isn’t he. Always saying what fun and enjoyment he’ll get out of destroying others. Good thing he’s so incompetent.

438 Dark_Falcon  Mar 15, 2015 9:54:17am

re: #436 Dr. Matt

So, why exactly is CCJ pissing his panties over Chris Kluwe?

It’s some stupid Gamergate matter. I feared UpChuck would eventually latch onto that crazed theme and now he has.

439 Romantic Heretic  Mar 15, 2015 9:56:01am

re: #327 Targetpractice

Austerity is a joke that long ago stopped being funny. The continued insistence that it will work in Greece, despite all the evidence that it hasn’t worked anywhere it’s been tried since ‘08, is in part the reason why the Greeks felt the bailouts weren’t worth the shit they were putting up with. There’s been absolutely no carrot in the deals they’ve been given, just all stick.

Austerity is the economic form of bleeding. By ‘restoring the balance of humours’ the body (economy) will be restored to health.

Like bleeding austerity only weakens the body and if done excessively (as in George Washington’s case) can kill.

Both are based on the idea that suffering is a good thing and should be inflicted on those who deserve it by being weak as often as possible. I don’t know if humanity will ever shake off that stupid idea.

440 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 9:56:14am

re: #436 Dr. Matt

So, why exactly is CCJ pissing his panties over Chris Kluwe?

Oh, that’s Chris Kluwe? Chuckles is going to find out that he had punt blocked once and then it’s game over.

441 Jenner7  Mar 15, 2015 9:56:28am
442 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 9:57:38am

re: #441 Jenner7

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Wait wait the Iranian regime controls Tehran. Next, Tom will tell us that the Taliban controlled Kabul and Hussein controlled Baghdad. Man they nominate some real intellectual heavy weights in the GOP these days.

443 Dr. Matt  Mar 15, 2015 9:57:46am

re: #440 HappyWarrior

Oh, that’s Chris Kluwe? Chuckles is going to find out that he had punt blocked once and then it’s game over.

Isn’t Chris Kluwe = Chris Warcraft? That’s what I found from Teh Google. Could be wrong.

444 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 15, 2015 9:58:49am

re: #441 Jenner7

The stupid. It burns!

445 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 9:58:52am

re: #439 Romantic Heretic

Austerity is the economic form of bleeding. By ‘restoring the balance of humours’ the body (economy) will be restored to health.

Like bleeding austerity only weakens the body and if done excessively (as in George Washington’s case) can kill.

Both are based on the idea that suffering is a good thing and should be inflicted on those who deserve it by being weak as often as possible. I don’t know if humanity will ever shake off that stupid idea.

Austerity is just another right wing policy of fuck you, if you ain’t well off like our donors are. It also creates discontent with the capitalistic system so despite proponents claiming to be champions of capitalism, they’re actually weakening its credibility.

446 Targetpractice  Mar 15, 2015 9:58:57am

re: #441 Jenner7

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Yes, Iran is looking to control the region…which is our job!

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447 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 9:59:13am

re: #443 Dr. Matt

Isn’t Chris Kluwe = Chris Warcraft? That’s why I found from Teh Google. Could be wrong.

I think so. I think Kluwe is a big WoW guy.

448 #FergusonFireside  Mar 15, 2015 9:59:35am

re: #443 Dr. Matt

Isn’t Chris Kluwe = Chris Warcraft? That’s why I found from Teh Google. Could be wrong.

Yes, that is him.

449 Romantic Heretic  Mar 15, 2015 9:59:36am

re: #335 Justanotherhuman

Oh, it’s already happening. In spite of R rhetoric to the contrary, most people who work for a living resent the inequality of income in the US. Some may have their anger mitigated somewhat by a decent paycheck which allows them to keep their heads above water for a period of time, but it’s hard to tread water when there’s no lifeboat available, and for many, that’s a daily situation.

Even among those who embrace a kind of racist “national socialism” due only to their own situation, they would just as soon have some wealthy heads on pikes as not.

There’s that damned song in my head again.

450 Romantic Heretic  Mar 15, 2015 10:02:12am

re: #340 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

The USSR.

Twice.

451 Dr. Matt  Mar 15, 2015 10:03:39am

re: #438 Dark_Falcon

It’s some stupid Gamergate matter. I feared UpChuck would eventually latch onto that crazed theme and now he has.

Gamergate is the perfect next step in CCJ’s downward spiral of shame. So, for those who are keeping score, CCJ is now embracing:

White supremacists
Men’s rights activists
Birthers
Gamergate

Did I miss anyone/anything?

452 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 10:04:38am

re: #451 Dr. Matt

Gamergate is the perfect next step in CCJ’s downward spiral of shame. So, for those who are keeping score, CCJ is now embracing:

White supremacists
Men’s rights activists
Birthers
Gamergate

Did I miss anyone/anything?

Goes with white supremacists but anti-semites.

453 Justanotherhuman  Mar 15, 2015 10:04:42am

re: #441 Jenner7

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JFC, is he really that fucking stupid?

I say yes.

454 goddamnedfrank  Mar 15, 2015 10:04:55am

re: #436 Dr. Matt

So, why exactly is CCJ pissing his panties over Chris Kluwe?

He thinks he can score some quick cash off the Gamergaters who hate Kluwe. It’s part of Operation Perpetual Grift.

To be fair Gamergaters are fucking retarded as all hell, and some will nominally support this in sentiment if not in material support. The problem is that attacking critics and their families is a charge that they’ve been desperately trying to deny.

455 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 10:06:48am

re: #453 Justanotherhuman

JFC, is he really that fucking stupid?

I say yes.

Wouldn’t surprise me if he also thinks Iranians are Arabs given that whopper.

456 Romantic Heretic  Mar 15, 2015 10:07:55am

re: #356 Nyet

Christ, that was depressing.

What you resist you become and all that.

457 Dark_Falcon  Mar 15, 2015 10:08:31am

re: #455 HappyWarrior

Wouldn’t surprise me if he also thinks Iranians are Arabs given that whopper.

To be fair, there’s a lot of Americans who think that. Not because they’re dumb, but because they know little about the Middle East other than what they see on TV.

458 Justanotherhuman  Mar 15, 2015 10:09:20am
459 Justanotherhuman  Mar 15, 2015 10:10:19am

re: #457 Dark_Falcon

Oh hell, DF, it’s because they’re stupid about geography, history, govt and everything else.

Admit it, already.

460 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 10:10:30am

re: #457 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, there’s a lot of Americans who think that. Not because they’re dumb, but because they know little about the Middle East other than what they see on TV.

A lot of Americans aren’t also US Senators. The pass I give to my neighbor or friend is not the same as the pass I won’t give a US Senator so no Senator Cotton does not deserve me to being fair to him.

461 BeachDem  Mar 15, 2015 10:11:06am

re: #451 Dr. Matt

Gamergate is the perfect next step in CCJ’s downward spiral of shame. So, for those who are keeping score, CCJ is now embracing:

White supremacists
Men’s rights activists
Birthers
Gamergate

Did I miss anyone/anything?

As pointed out in littlegreenfootballs.com

he’s already pissing off the Gamergate folks.

462 stpaulbear  Mar 15, 2015 10:11:55am

re: #457 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, there’s a lot of Americans who think that. Not because they’re dumb, but because they know little about the Middle East other than what they see on TV.

And those ill-informed morons go on to elect fellow ill-informed morons like Tom Cotton (R-Moron).

463 Dr. Matt  Mar 15, 2015 10:12:08am

re: #461 BeachDem

As pointed out in littlegreenfootballs.com

he’s already pissing of the Gamergate folks.

Damn. When the gamergate dolts reject you, it’s a sure sign you’ve hit rock bottom.

464 A Cranky One  Mar 15, 2015 10:12:12am

re: #457 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, there’s a lot of Americans who think that. Not because they’re dumb, but because they know little about the Middle East other than what they see on TV.

To be fair, only an idiot would inject himself into the middle of an extremely volatile situation without taking the time to educate himself a little.

465 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 10:12:13am

re: #461 BeachDem

As pointed out in littlegreenfootballs.com

he’s already pissing of the Gamergate folks.

If I’ve lost Gamergame, I’ve lost the part of Wingut America that shits itself at the thought of women having equal rights.

466 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 10:13:16am

re: #464 A Cranky One

To be fair, only an idiot would inject himself into the middle of an extremely volatile situation without taking the time to educate himself a little.

To be even more fair, in a just world this guy wouldn’t be elected or better yet nominated to anywhere. We are talking about the man who told a constituent that Russian gangsters would take her identity if she accepted ACA. So Senator Cotton gets no points and may God have mercy on his soul.

467 Timothy Watson  Mar 15, 2015 10:13:24am

re: #441 Jenner7

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Well, too bad there isn’t a military dictatorship ran by a secular ruler to counter Iran.

If only we had something like that, say in Iraq for example.

468 Dr. Matt  Mar 15, 2015 10:14:49am

re: #457 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, there’s a lot of Americans who think that. Not because they’re dumb, but because they know little about the Middle East other than what they see on TV.

We should expect a hellva lot more from a sitting senator whether they are an R, D, or I. THis is the same fucking asshole who LED, yes LED, the 47 traitors letter. What an embarrassment.

469 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 10:16:05am

re: #468 Dr. Matt

We should expect a hellva lot more from a sitting senator whether they are an R, D, or I. THis is the same fucking asshole who LED, yes LED, the 47 traitors letter. What an embarrassment.

Exact-a-mundo. He clearly doesn’t know shit about Iran yet he took it on himself to do this stupid letter. What does that tell you? It tells me that Cotton is at best a publicity whore and at worse someone who cares only about undermining President Obama’s Iran policy. He’s just another example of the GOP’s desire to find peak-wingnut.

470 goddamnedfrank  Mar 15, 2015 10:17:24am

re: #452 HappyWarrior

Goes with white supremacists but anti-semites.

Also Neoreactionaries. Again, lots of overlap in the Ven diagram there with the above and with MRAs.

This isn’t the first time CCJ and Kluwe have mixed it up.

Nor is it the first time Chuck has tried to grift off of Gamergate. He’s flirted with this before with no success. He tweeted the hashtag plenty before, but this was the first really bizarre attempt to piggyback off it for clicks:

Here’s every instance of CCJ mentioning either #gamergate or @ChrisWarcraft

471 Romantic Heretic  Mar 15, 2015 10:18:45am

re: #376 Justanotherhuman

Some teachers can be very punitive over the slightest mistake a kid makes.

It seems to be part of an ultra-competitive, authoritarian mindset.

These are the kinds of people who shouldn’t be in the teaching profession. Teaching kids takes patience and they’re all not alike.

And in my experience they always seem to be phys-ed teachers. I’m guessing they believe if they’re just ‘tough enough’ the teams they coach will win and the ‘teacher’ can work their way up the sports system someday coaching professional sports, or big university at the very least.

Those kids unlucky enough to be ‘taught’ by them suffer a lot.

472 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 10:18:51am

re: #470 goddamnedfrank

Also Neoreactionaries. Again, lots of overlap in the Ven diagram there with the above and with MRAs.

This isn’t the first time CCJ and Kluwe have mixed it up.

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Here’s every instance of CCJ mentioning either #gamergate or @ChrisWarcraft

He is such a pathetic little asshole. Maybe he would have turned out better if he wasn’t figuratively dropped on his head (exposed to Rush at a young age.) That shit’s gotta be bad for anyone’s development.

473 Dr. Matt  Mar 15, 2015 10:18:53am
474 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 10:19:09am

re: #471 Romantic Heretic

And in my experience they always seem to be phys-ed teachers. I’m guessing they believe if they’re just ‘tough enough’ the teams they coach will win and the ‘teacher’ can work their way up the sports system someday coaching professional sports, or big university at the very least.

Those kids unlucky enough to be ‘taught’ by them suffer a lot.

Failed jock syndrome.

475 Targetpractice  Mar 15, 2015 10:20:42am

*sigh*

476 BeachDem  Mar 15, 2015 10:20:44am

I also like the way upchuck tries to promote his bloated sense of his own (rather pathetic) writing skills—saying I’VE WRITTEN A BOOK AND KLUWE HAD HIS GHOST-WRITTEN. NAH NAH.

I’ve read Kluwe’s articles and editorials, and seen him speak off-the-cuff. He is extremely bright and articulate, and compared to upchuck’s incoherent writing and bumbling speaking—well, there is no comparison.

So, let’s recap—upchuck refers to a talented, intelligent person who shares his name as “the lesser” and calls Kluwe a beta male (whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean, especially coming from a 26-year old loser whose accomplishments would fit on the strike bar of a matchbook.)

477 stpaulbear  Mar 15, 2015 10:21:03am

re: #441 Jenner7

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Here’s a question:

Did anyone on Meet Teh PressFace the Nation call out Cotton for his ignorant statement?

Hahahaha…just kidding.
I hate our national media.

(Edit to get the program right.)

478 Nyet  Mar 15, 2015 10:21:16am

re: #423 Dr Lizardo

So are those vehicles there in prep for a parade on the 18th?

Possibly. No idea. Just to be sure: this has no bearing on my point. ;)

479 Dr. Matt  Mar 15, 2015 10:21:28am
480 Romantic Heretic  Mar 15, 2015 10:22:35am

re: #394 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

In an ideal world, wealth would reflect one’s efforts and intelligence, and the enlightened millionaires would understand how important it is to give everyone an equal chance and work towards structuring society accordingly.

In an ideal world…

As a meme I saw on the net years ago put it, “If hard work made you rich every woman in Africa would be a multi-millionaire.”

481 Dark_Falcon  Mar 15, 2015 10:22:53am

re: #459 Justanotherhuman

Oh hell, DF, it’s because they’re stupid about geography, history, govt and everything else.

Admit it, already.

No, because if you use the word ‘stupid’, then you close off conversation and you can’t get people to learn from you after that because they feel that to do so would mean accepting an insult. So you say things like ‘uninformed’ or ‘overly broad’ instead in order to make your words more palatable.

482 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 10:22:56am

re: #475 Targetpractice

*sigh*

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Yet expected. Boehner is about as predictable as a rooster.

483 Dr Lizardo  Mar 15, 2015 10:23:45am

re: #476 BeachDem

I also like the way upchuck tries to promote his bloated sense of his own (rather pathetic) writing skills—saying I’VE WRITTEN A BOOK AND KLUWE HAD HIS GHOST-WRITTEN. NAH NAH.

I’ve read Kluwe’s articles and editorials, and seen him speak off-the-cuff. He is extremely bright and articulate, and compared to upchuck’s incoherent writing and bumbling speaking—well, there is no comparison.

So, let’s recap—upchuck refers to a talented, intelligent person who shares his name as “the lesser” and calls Kluwe a beta male (whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean, especially coming from a 26-year old loser whose accomplishments would fit on the strike bar of a matchbook.)

Chuckles has an inferiority complex the size of Olympus Mons.

484 goddamnedfrank  Mar 15, 2015 10:24:09am

re: #470 goddamnedfrank

Edited to include search link.

485 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 10:24:16am

re: #479 Dr. Matt

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Kristol sure knows how to pick em.

486 bratwurst  Mar 15, 2015 10:25:04am

re: #457 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, there’s a lot of Americans who think that. Not because they’re dumb, but because they know little about the Middle East other than what they see on TV.

Newsflash: that makes them DUMB.

You don’t even have to go to a library and (gasp) crack open a book. You can get online and survey a number of sources (some good and unbiased, some bad and very biased) in minutes. People who don’t know shit about the Middle East (or Greece for that matter) but still want to opine on the topic are DUMB.

487 goddamnedfrank  Mar 15, 2015 10:25:10am

re: #481 Dark_Falcon

No, because if you use the word ‘stupid’, then you close off conversation and you can’t get people to learn from you after that because they feel that to do so would mean accepting an insult. So you say things like ‘uninformed’ or ‘overly broad’ instead in order to make your words more palatable.

How about “ignorant as all fuckity fuck” ?

Tough, but fair.

488 makeitstop  Mar 15, 2015 10:25:34am

re: #441 Jenner7

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Wait, what?

Somebody tell Cotton that Tehran is the fucking capital of Iran, plz.

489 Dr. Matt  Mar 15, 2015 10:25:37am

re: #481 Dark_Falcon

So you say things like ‘uninformed’ or ‘overly broad’ instead in order to make your words more palatable.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH

490 Justanotherhuman  Mar 15, 2015 10:25:40am
491 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 10:25:46am

re: #480 Romantic Heretic

As a meme I saw on the net years ago put it, “If hard work made you rich every woman in Africa would be a multi-millionaire.”

IF hard work made you rich, my great grandfather would have made Rockefeller and Carnegie jealous. This guy raised 5 kids alone on a coal miner’s salary for a time after his first wife died in a country where English was not his first language AND he had worked in Siberia as a teenage boy before emigrating here. Anyone who simply thinks you just need hard work to be wealthy is drinking a lot of delusion.

492 Dr. Matt  Mar 15, 2015 10:26:26am
493 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 10:26:26am

Can’t we just say it? Cotton is a dummy.

494 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Mar 15, 2015 10:27:21am

re: #486 bratwurst

Newsflash: that makes them DUMB.

You don’t even have to go to a library and (gasp) crack open a book. You can get online and survey a number of sources (some good and unbiased, some bad and very biased) in minutes. People who don’t know shit about the Middle East (or Greece for that matter) but still want to opine on the topic are DUMB.

It’s the last part. People being ignorant is fine. I have very few views on foreign policy because it seems massively complex to me and the ‘experts’ seem to get everything wrong constantly anyway. I don’t think I know what to do; I’m ‘conservative’ in foreign policy in that i think intervention causes downstream problems that are unpredictable. Because of all this, I don’t think that my opinion on foreign policy is really worthwhile, especially if it’s of a country where I don’t know jack shit.
The people making confident predictions about what Putin will do next are the ones who seem dumb to me, no matter how ‘smart’ or well-informed they are

495 Romantic Heretic  Mar 15, 2015 10:27:56am

re: #401 BeachDem

Sometimes it takes a little longer than that as in the case of the Eaton’s family.

496 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Mar 15, 2015 10:28:23am

re: #493 HappyWarrior

Can’t we just say it? Cotton is a dummy.

It is, however, important to remember most of the enormous fuckups of the human race have been done by very intelligent people. Kissinger is extremely smart. Scalia is brilliant.

497 A Cranky One  Mar 15, 2015 10:31:02am

re: #493 HappyWarrior

Can’t we just say it? Cotton is a dummy.

Please don’t insult us!

498 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 10:31:32am

re: #496 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

It is, however, important to remember most of the enormous fuckups of the human race have been done by very intelligent people. Kissinger is extremely smart. Scalia is brilliant.

That’s a great point. I guess my point is Cotton should have known given his ignorance on Iran that he was totally out of bounds doing this letter.

499 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 10:32:02am

re: #497 A Cranky One

Please don’t insult us!

Isn’t that a portrait of Chuckles as a young man?

500 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 15, 2015 10:32:05am

No, I’m sorry, anybody who thinks Iranians are Arabs is a complete fucking idiot, and I’m going to tell them so.

“Iran” and “Aryan” (and “Eireann”) are so obviously the same word, and so obviously Indo-European—hell, “Aryan” used to mean Indo-European!

501 Justanotherhuman  Mar 15, 2015 10:33:14am

So how did Tom Cotton get into Harvard? Can you say govt money?

Tom Cotton wouldn’t be anywhere without government dollars

arktimes.com

502 stpaulbear  Mar 15, 2015 10:33:21am

The pathetic thing about Tom Cotton is that the industrial and business interests that bought him his senate seat don’t even give a shit about how thoroughly stupid he is. Cotton is their useful idiot, and will do what is required to deliver what they want.

503 Dr. Matt  Mar 15, 2015 10:34:39am
504 makeitstop  Mar 15, 2015 10:34:54am

re: #481 Dark_Falcon

No, because if you use the word ‘stupid’, then you close off conversation and you can’t get people to learn from you after that because they feel that to do so would mean accepting an insult. So you say things like ‘uninformed’ or ‘overly broad’ instead in order to make your words more palatable.

Nah, dude. Cotton is stupid.

I laugh my rueful laugh at the fact that you’re trying to defend a US Senator charging that the Iranian regime controls their own goddamned capital of their own goddamn country.

505 The War TARDIS  Mar 15, 2015 10:35:31am

I have begun to figure out EUIV. Here is the state of my current playthrough as the Ottomans. February 1494.

I have only lost one war, allied with Morocco, against Castile and Portugal.

I have not yet conquered the Aegean, as I don’t want a chain reaction war against all of Italy and Iberia yet.

Me and Castile will eventually get into a bloody, knockdown war. But by then. I should control far more land.
506 Justanotherhuman  Mar 15, 2015 10:36:47am

re: #496 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

It takes brains to be Machiavellian.

Cotton is so stupid he just stumbles over his own lack of knowledge.

507 Romantic Heretic  Mar 15, 2015 10:37:29am

re: #457 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, there’s a lot of Americans who think that. Not because they’re dumb, but because they know little about the Middle East other than what they see on TV.

Remember when The Ministry of Truth, I mean Fox News, made Iraq disappear?

508 Timothy Watson  Mar 15, 2015 10:37:41am

re: #505 The War TARDIS

I have begun to figure out EUIV. Here is the state of my current playthrough as the Ottomans. February 1494.

I have only lost one battle, allied with Morocco, against Castile and Portugal.

I have not yet conquered the Aegean, as I don’t want a chain reaction war against all of Italy and Iberia yet.

Image: Me and Castile will eventually get into a bloody, knockdown war. But by then. I should control far more land.

Any reason the Mamluks still exist? :)

509 stpaulbear  Mar 15, 2015 10:38:50am

re: #496 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

It is, however, important to remember most of the enormous fuckups of the human race have been done by very intelligent people. Kissinger is extremely smart. Scalia is brilliant.

But wasn’t Kissinger not so much of a fuck-up as he was extremely successful in implementing what he wanted to do? What he wanted to do was fucked-up.

I think that the guys who Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld put in charge of the Iraq reconstruction were genuine fuck-ups. They really didn’t know what they were doing at all.

510 Targetpractice  Mar 15, 2015 10:39:20am

Bibi yells “Jump!” and the GOP asks “How high?”

511 Justanotherhuman  Mar 15, 2015 10:39:40am

No further details right now,

512 The War TARDIS  Mar 15, 2015 10:41:22am

re: #508 Timothy Watson

Yes, Overextention and following the cease-fires.

First war was against them. Then the Wallachians. Then Qara Qoyunlu, and it’s allies. Then Serbia (on Montenegro’s behalf, Then the lost war against the Moroccans, followed by yet another war against the Mamluks and Cyrpus.

And now, I need to reform my armies. Too many Mercenaries, and I just got artillery.

513 Justanotherhuman  Mar 15, 2015 10:41:50am

St. Louis County Police Department to hold 2:30 pm ET news conference on arrest in connection to shooting of 2 officers in Ferguson
end of alert

514 The War TARDIS  Mar 15, 2015 10:42:46am

re: #512 The War TARDIS

I won’t be able to fight the Mamluks again till 1500. I estimate that I will have total control over them by 1530.

515 Romantic Heretic  Mar 15, 2015 10:43:44am

re: #505 The War TARDIS

What game is that? It looks like just the thing I’d enjoy.

516 A Cranky One  Mar 15, 2015 10:43:59am

re: #509 stpaulbear

But wasn’t Kissinger not so much of a fuck-up as he was extremely successful in inplementing what he wanted to do? What he wanted to do was fucked-up.

I think that the guys who Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld put in charge of the Iraq reconstruction were genuine fuck-ups. They really didn’t know what they were doing at all.

Knowledge and expertise weren’t the necessary qualifications according to the Bush administration.

To pass muster with O’Beirne, a political appointee who screens prospective political appointees for Defense Department posts, applicants didn’t need to be experts in the Middle East or in post-conflict reconstruction. What seemed most important was loyalty to the Bush administration. Washington Post

517 Dr Lizardo  Mar 15, 2015 10:44:16am

re: #512 The War TARDIS

If only the Ottomans had made it to the Battle of White Mountain in time, history here in the Czech lands would’ve been quite different indeed.

518 Dark_Falcon  Mar 15, 2015 10:45:13am

re: #514 The War TARDIS

I won’t be able to fight the Mamluks again till 1500. I estimate that I will have total control over them by 1530.

You need to remember to add a maniacal laugh at the end of posts involving ‘total control’. ;)

BBL

519 Justanotherhuman  Mar 15, 2015 10:45:31am
520 Timothy Watson  Mar 15, 2015 10:48:03am

re: #512 The War TARDIS

Yes, Overextention and following the cease-fires.

First war was against them. Then the Wallachians. Then Qara Qoyunlu, and it’s allies. Then Serbia (on Montenegro’s behalf, Then the lost war against the Moroccans, followed by yet another war against the Mamluks and Cyrpus.

And now, I need to reform my armies. Too many Mercenaries, and I just got artillery.

Yeah, overextension is a real pain in the butt.

I’m back to playing Victoria 2, one fun thing is that you can conquer as much as you want as long as you keep your infamy down. :)

521 Floral Giraffe  Mar 15, 2015 10:48:51am

re: #470 goddamnedfrank

LOL! Look at who is calling someone a “Beta Male”! Pot calling kettle!

522 Timothy Watson  Mar 15, 2015 10:49:06am

re: #515 Romantic Heretic

What game is that? It looks like just the thing I’d enjoy.

Europa Universalis IV by Paradox Entertainment

523 #FergusonFireside  Mar 15, 2015 10:50:27am
524 Floral Giraffe  Mar 15, 2015 10:50:51am

re: #494 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

SO happy to “see” you back, Obdi!

525 The War TARDIS  Mar 15, 2015 10:51:10am

re: #517 Dr Lizardo

Yeah. I really can’t hate the Ottomans. If one can have a favourite empire, mine would have to be the Ottomans.

526 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 15, 2015 10:51:28am

re: #521 Floral Giraffe

LOL! Look at who is calling someone a “Beta Male”! Pot calling kettle!

I’m sure a lot of “Alpha Males™” have “Hot Asian Wives®”, but how many of them live rent-free in said wives’ parents’ basements?

527 #FergusonFireside  Mar 15, 2015 10:52:02am

re: #523 #FergusonFireside

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What happens when you stab your phone battery w/a knife.

528 The War TARDIS  Mar 15, 2015 10:52:51am

re: #522 Timothy Watson

Now, I need to find the ideal mix of Infantry, Cavalry, and Artillery.

This is not proving easy. I will probably do a shakedown war against Genoa, or Naxos.

529 b_sharp  Mar 15, 2015 10:52:58am

re: #525 The War TARDIS

Yeah. I really can’t hate the Ottomans. If one can have a favourite empire, mine would have to be the Ottomans.

I prefer the Couches.

530 A Cranky One  Mar 15, 2015 10:54:12am

re: #529 b_sharp

I prefer the Couches.

My dogs seem to think the couch is their empire. ;)

531 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 15, 2015 10:55:31am

re: #525 The War TARDIS

Yeah. I really can’t hate the Ottomans. If one can have a favourite empire, mine would have to be the Ottomans.

My favorite was the Swedish Empire, because everybody goes: “Wait, what?” Notice Estonia and Latvia are Lutheran to this day. (Pace George Costanza, there is no Latvian Orthodox Church!)

532 Romantic Heretic  Mar 15, 2015 10:57:29am

re: #522 Timothy Watson

Europa Universalis IV by Paradox Entertainment

Thanks. :)

533 A Cranky One  Mar 15, 2015 10:58:08am

Welcome to the team, Obama.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Getting older changes a guy, President Barack Obama says, and he admits he’s getting crankier.

“Next week I’m signing an executive order to get off my lawn,” Obama joked Saturday night at the Gridiron Club and Foundation’s annual dinner.Huff Puff

My kind of guy!

534 Nyet  Mar 15, 2015 10:59:04am

re: #531 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

My favorite was the Swedish Empire, because everybody goes: “Wait, what?” Notice Estonia and Latvia are Lutheran to this day. (Pace George Costanza, there is no Latvian Orthodox Church!)

en.m.wikipedia.org

;)

535 Belafon  Mar 15, 2015 10:59:23am

re: #510 Targetpractice

Bibi yells “Jump!” and the GOP asks “How high?”

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Democrats ought to start an investigation into Eisenhower’s involvement in preventing Obama from being able to win a third term. Time travel is a dangerous thing.

536 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 15, 2015 11:00:04am

re: #533 A Cranky One

Welcome to the team, Obama.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Getting older changes a guy, President Barack Obama says, and he admits he’s getting crankier.

“Next week I’m signing an executive order to get off my lawn,” Obama joked Saturday night at the Gridiron Club and Foundation’s annual dinner.Huff Puff

My kind of guy!

He really has superhuman self-control. I can’t wait for his post-presidential writings about some of the crap he’s had to put up with.

537 Romantic Heretic  Mar 15, 2015 11:00:14am

re: #531 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

My favorite was the Swedish Empire, because everybody goes: “Wait, what?” Notice Estonia and Latvia are Lutheran to this day. (Pace George Costanza, there is no Latvian Orthodox Church!)

Gustavus Adolphus really shook things up, didn’t he? Pity he died so young. I would like to have seen what he accomplished had he lived.

538 The War TARDIS  Mar 15, 2015 11:01:18am

I would attack Serbia, but I don’t have a reason. Yet.

When I do, I will be sure to convert them to Turkish Culture and Islam.

re: #531 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Being part Swede makes me a bit proud on that. The Swedish and Ottoman Empires were very friendly back in the day. It is why Sweden and Turkey are close allies today.

With Germany jacking around with the EU, the Nordic nations should leave, and form a Nordic Federation. Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Iceland, the Faroe Islands, the Aland Islands, and perhaps Estonia and Latvia.

They would be able to set their own polices and currency, and not suffer the Euro’s BS causing job problems (looking at you, Finland).

539 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 15, 2015 11:01:33am

re: #534 Nyet

en.m.wikipedia.org

;)

From there:

The Latvian Orthodox Church is somewhat of a misnomer; the word Latvia is used as this is the geographical location of the church, however, there are almost no ethnic Latvians that belong to this church. The services are in Russian and the members are predominantly Russian; although a majority are citizens of Latvia. There are, however, two churches with services in Latvian - one of them in Riga.

540 Justanotherhuman  Mar 15, 2015 11:03:29am

BBL.

541 The War TARDIS  Mar 15, 2015 11:03:41am

re: #537 Romantic Heretic

If we had a TARDIS, we could go to the Alternate Dimension where what you said came true.

I would go for the on where Murad V managed to hold the Ottoman Throne, and kept reforming the Empire.

I think the Ottomans might have survived to the current day, possibly a Malaysian style entity, and gotten a second life with the oil in Iraq and Persian Gulf.

542 Nyet  Mar 15, 2015 11:04:01am

re: #539 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

That doesn’t contradict the existence of the said church.

543 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 15, 2015 11:10:05am

re: #541 The War TARDIS

If we had a TARDIS, we could go to the Alternate Dimension where what you said came true.

I would go for the on where Murad V managed to hold the Ottoman Throne, and kept reforming the Empire.

I think the Ottomans might have survived to the current day, possibly a Malaysian style entity, and gotten a second life with the oil in Iraq and Persian Gulf.

We bellyache about the US failing to ratify the Treaty of Versailles and join the League of Nations—after essentially creating both and suckering everybody else in—but that would have involved picking up our LoN mandate of Turkish and Russian Armenia. Ouch!

544 makeitstop  Mar 15, 2015 11:10:49am

And I thought Dark’s defense of Cotton was bad…this just showed up on Facebook:

It sounded like he was pointing out the potential for the Iranians to take over other countries. By pointing out they already control Tehran, meaning this is one country they control, he went on to mention other capital cities that they potentially have their sites on to take over, thereby increasing their control of the region.

That’s some weapons-grade spin, right there.

545 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 15, 2015 11:12:56am

re: #544 makeitstop

And I thought Dark’s defense of Cotton was bad…this just showed up on Facebook:

That’s some weapons-grade spin, right there.

They’re upping the spin to 2, creating gravitons to suck us all into the black hole of stupid.

546 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 11:13:05am

re: #544 makeitstop

And I thought Dark’s defense of Cotton was bad…this just showed up on Facebook:

That’s some weapons-grade spin, right there.

I know it’s not St. Patrick’s Day yet and I know I’ve cut back on my liquor in take but I need some whiskey after reading that. That’s quite the spin.

547 The War TARDIS  Mar 15, 2015 11:13:58am

re: #543 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I think that a) Ottoman Empire, under Murad V, would have stayed neutral in WWI, and B) without the focus of Nationalism that occurred under AbdulHamid II, Armenians would have been better off. I wouldn’t put it out of the question that there would have been a reconquista of sorts after a Russian Collapse, that likely would have still happened.

548 The War TARDIS  Mar 15, 2015 11:14:29am

re: #546 HappyWarrior

Wouldn’t the whiskey increase the spinning?

549 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 15, 2015 11:15:31am

re: #547 The War TARDIS

I think that a) Ottoman Empire, under Murad V, would have stayed neutral in WWI, and B) without the focus of Nationalism that occurred under AbdulHamid II, Armenians would have been better off. I wouldn’t put it out of the question that there would have been a reconquista of sorts after a Russian Collapse, that likely would have still happened.

Yeah, hanging their hat (fez?) on that German peg was a huge mistake.

550 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 11:16:14am

I find the Mongolian empire fascinating. That such a nomadic people got so far and Genghis to this day is said to be the direct common ancestor one out of every eight Central Asians. I always try to when I play strategy games like Hearts of Iron, Ages of Empires, or Civ try to start an empire with some small nation. The age of Bulgaria is upon us!

551 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 11:16:56am

re: #548 The War TARDIS

Wouldn’t the whiskey increase the spinning?

Nah, it will put me in a better mood.

552 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 15, 2015 11:18:36am

re: #550 HappyWarrior

I find the Mongolian empire fascinating. That such a nomadic people got so far and Genghis to this day is said to be the direct common ancestor one out of every eight Central Asians. I always try to when I play strategy games like Hearts of Iron, Ages of Empires, or Civ try to start an empire with some small nation. The age of Bulgaria is upon us!

I liked David Brin’s “Helvetian War” in Earth. He explicitly said it was on the Heinlein principle of throwing in something completely outrageous periodically to keep the otherwordly atmosphere.

553 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 11:19:40am

re: #552 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I liked David Brin’s “Helvetian War” in Earth. He explicitly said it was on the Heinlein principle of throwing in something completely outrageous periodically to keep the otherwordly atmosphere.

i like that. Kind of like how little Finland took on the Soviets in the Winter War.

554 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 11:21:55am

I am also finding as I do genelogical research that some of my own ancestors would have been at the borderlands. I had heard when I was younger that my great grandfather went to Russia as a teenager to work. That always confused me since he was born in the Austro-Hungarian empire but through the records I’ve uncovered, I see now that he lived very close to the Polish border. Not sure who controlled southern Poland during that time though since the Polish partition is such a confusing issue to me since I think it ended up being done three times.

555 The War TARDIS  Mar 15, 2015 11:22:36am

re: #549 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

That was done by that damn bastard Abdulhamid II.

Murad V was pro-French.

Honestly, if I could get away with it, I would take Abdulhamid’s body and burn it.

556 BeenHereAwhile  Mar 15, 2015 11:22:49am

re: #436 Dr. Matt

So, why exactly is CCJ pissing his panties over Chris Kluwe?

Chris Kluwe’s responses to CCJ tweets w/ridicule knob turned up to 11:

@ChrisWarcraft: Observe the racist in its natural habitat, ladies and gentlemen. Note the fevered mewlings, and pained grunts. t.co

This one is best read as if narrated by David Attenborough:

@ChrisWarcraft: Sadly, the racist cannot help itself. It is true to its nature. Its selfish, selfish nature. The scorpion must sting. t.co

557 Decatur Deb  Mar 15, 2015 11:25:11am

Waiting for a flyover by a transiting WWII barnstorming group—B25, P40, Corsair, and Zero.

558 gwangung  Mar 15, 2015 11:27:09am

re: #556 BeenHereAwhile

Chris Kluwe’s responses to CCJ tweets w/ridicule knob turned up to 11:

@ChrisWarcraft: Observe the racist in its natural habitat, ladies and gentlemen. Note the fevered mewlings, and pained grunts. t.co

This one is best read as if narrated by David Attenborough:

@ChrisWarcraft: Sadly, the racist cannot help itself. It is true to its nature. Its selfish, selfish nature. The scorpion must sting. t.co

So add to it that Kluew’s better looking, more well known, athletic, more successful and probably more intelligent, and it’s a recipe to drive Chuckles up the wall….

559 The War TARDIS  Mar 15, 2015 11:27:50am

re: #550 HappyWarrior

I will try to play the people of Munster and Ulster on EUIV eventually.

560 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Mar 15, 2015 11:28:13am

re: #557 Decatur Deb

The most distinctive thing about those airplanes is the sound. Listen to all those cylinders that you never get when a four cylinder Lycoming flies over

561 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 11:28:40am

re: #559 The War TARDIS

I will try to play the people of Munster and Ulster on EUIV eventually.

Conamara! But that sounds fun.

562 Romantic Heretic  Mar 15, 2015 11:36:50am

re: #557 Decatur Deb

Waiting for a flyover by a transiting WWII barnstorming group—B25, P40, Corsair, and Zero.

Looking forward to flying a Corsair in War Thunder. A great boom-and-zoom fighter.

563 BeenHereAwhile  Mar 15, 2015 11:40:43am

re: #516 A Cranky One

Knowledge and expertise weren’t the necessary qualifications according to the Bush administration.

To pass muster with O’Beirne, a political appointee who screens prospective political appointees for Defense Department posts, applicants didn’t need to be experts in the Middle East or in post-conflict reconstruction. What seemed most important was loyalty to the Bush administration. Washington Post

IIRC, another qualification was, “do you support repeal of Roe v. Wade?”

564 HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2015 11:43:39am

re: #563 BeenHereAwhile

IIRC, another qualification was, “do you support repeal of Roe v. Wade?”

Why doesn’t that surprise me that they were looking for sycophants rather than actual policy analysts.

565 Mattand  Mar 15, 2015 11:43:49am

re: #544 makeitstop

And I thought Dark’s defense of Cotton was bad…this just showed up on Facebook:

Seriously? He defended the 47 Idiots Scribblings to Iran?

566 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 15, 2015 11:44:04am

re: #562 Romantic Heretic

Looking forward to flying a Corsair in War Thunder. A great boom-and-zoom fighter.

The Japanese didn’t comment on the engine sound, though; they called the Corsair “Whistling Death” from the sound it’s air intake made.

567 blueraven  Mar 15, 2015 11:44:10am

re: #511 Justanotherhuman

No further details right now,

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There was supposed to be a presser at 2:30 ET. It is just now beginning.
Suspect is Jeffrey Williams.

568 blueraven  Mar 15, 2015 11:48:44am

re: #567 blueraven

There was supposed to be a presser at 2:30 ET. It is just now beginning.
Suspect is Jeffery Williams.

Apparently, he has confessed to being involved with the shootings. He is 20 years old.
Possibly firing at one or more of the protesters…having to do with a separate matter.

569 Decatur Deb  Mar 15, 2015 11:52:31am

re: #566 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The Japanese didn’t comment on the engine sound, though; they called the Corsair “Whistling Death” from the sound it’s air intake made.

That’s the adopted nic of this particular (over-theatrical) FG1D.

570 wrenchwench  Mar 15, 2015 11:52:53am

Hey Floral…

571 BeenHereAwhile  Mar 15, 2015 11:54:25am

re: #560 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

The most distinctive thing about those airplanes is the sound. Listen to all those cylinders that you never get when a four cylinder Lycoming flies over

Until they converted to turboprops, Chalk flew Grumman amphibians with radial engines from Miami to Bimini & the Bahamas.

It was like riding a Harley for 10 passengers at 1,500 ft at 100 MPH. Gorgeous sounds.

572 Decatur Deb  Mar 15, 2015 11:56:08am

B&L 1943 7x50’s all polished. Due overhead in about 10. BBL

573 Floral Giraffe  Mar 15, 2015 11:59:51am

re: #570 wrenchwench

LOVE!!!! And so glad you are on the mend!

574 GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 15, 2015 12:00:41pm
575 De Kolta Chair  Mar 15, 2015 12:01:32pm

Congrats to my alma mater the U of Arizona Wildcats for clinching the Pac-12 title last night. The only surprising thing about the game was co-announcer Bill Walton, by my reckoning, making only four references to the Grateful Dead during the broadcast.

576 The War TARDIS  Mar 15, 2015 12:02:52pm

re: #528 The War TARDIS

Went to war with Genoa. Promptly started smacking them silly. Their army, and Naxos’ as well, are gone.

577 BeenHereAwhile  Mar 15, 2015 12:03:34pm

More Chris Kluwe re CCJ:

@ChrisWarcraft: Two and a half miles in 18:45. Not bad; slowly getting there. Gotta make sure my endurance is up for when the alphas hunt me for sustenance.

578 Varek Raith  Mar 15, 2015 12:03:47pm

re: #441 Jenner7

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I’m sorry.
Whut.

579 Varek Raith  Mar 15, 2015 12:05:11pm

re: #463 Dr. Matt

Damn. When the gamergate dolts reject you, it’s a sure sign you’ve hit rock bottom.

CCJ manages to piss off everyone.
He’s a true uniter.

580 A Cranky One  Mar 15, 2015 12:06:04pm

re: #557 Decatur Deb

Waiting for a flyover by a transiting WWII barnstorming group—B25, P40, Corsair, and Zero.

Nice. Looked up one day to see a B-17 flying overhead, on the way to an air show in Chicago. Realized that it was probably a once-in-a-lifetime experience. A real kick seeing such an iconic aircraft flying overhead. Made history a bit more real.

581 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 15, 2015 12:06:26pm

re: #579 Varek Raith

CCJ manages to piss off everyone.
He’s a true uniter.

A thousand points of light….

582 Nyet  Mar 15, 2015 12:06:49pm

Yet another version. Now it’s supposed to be about Putin’s back and alleged Austrian doctors sent to him. m.kurier.at

583 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 15, 2015 12:09:30pm

re: #582 Nyet

Yet another version. Now it’s supposed to be about Putin’s back and alleged Austrian doctors sent to him. m.kurier.at

You throw enough shit against the wall, sooner or later something’ll be true. Or monkeys, typewriters, Hamlet

584 CuriousLurker  Mar 15, 2015 12:10:31pm

Totally OT, but this is a pretty amazing young woman. NIne years ago, at age 17, she was searching for music online and came across a video titled “The World’s Ugliest Woman”. It was images of her. I can’t even imagine.

‘Online bullies called me the world’s ugliest woman’

Velasquez was already used to being bullied daily for the way she looks. Born with two rare conditions - Marfan and lipodystrophy - she is unable to gain weight, no matter how much she eats. When she started kindergarten she remembers how classmates recoiled from her, afraid.

Now 26 she is 5ft 2in and weighs about 60lbs (27kg). She is totally blind in her right eye and visually impaired in the other, and was in and out of hospital growing up with a number of health problems - eye surgery, ear surgery, complete foot reconstruction, bone density tests, and a number of blood tests as doctors tried to decipher what her condition was. It wasn’t until last year that they managed to put a name to it. […]

Full of instant love for their daughter, Velasquez’s parents, Rita and Lupe, say they never thought “why is this happening to us”, and just wanted to get her home, to start her life.

It’s because of this attitude that Velasquez credits her parents entirely for her ability to think positively when she was being bullied at school or stared at and mocked in the streets. As a child they told her to go to school with her head held high, smile, and be nice to everyone, no matter how they treated her. It’s a message that has stuck and she says now that she happily forgives the person who posted that YouTube video nine years ago. “I don’t know what they’re going through,” she says. “While my life may be hard at times, they could be going through something much worse.” […]

bbc.com

585 The War TARDIS  Mar 15, 2015 12:13:26pm

re: #582 Nyet

I wonder if, with the economy cracking, international pressure in regard to Ukraine continuing, and Iran beginning to show a bit of openness in regards to the US, that something is happening behind closed doors with the military.

586 Dr Lizardo  Mar 15, 2015 12:13:35pm

re: #580 A Cranky One

Nice. Looked up one day to see a B-17 flying overhead, on the way to an air show in Chicago. Realized that it was probably a once-in-a-lifetime experience. A real kick seeing such an iconic aircraft flying overhead. Made history a bit more real.

Years ago I was standing outside having a smoke with a co-worker up in the Antelope Valley, when a B-52 flew right overhead with the bomb bay doors open. Thing was flying damned low - I think it was headed to the Skunk Works, but I recall looking at my co-worker and saying, “Who’d you piss off this time?”

587 CuriousLurker  Mar 15, 2015 12:14:14pm

re: #584 CuriousLurker

Totally OT, but this is a pretty amazing young woman. Six NIne years ago, at age 17, she was searching for music online and came across a video titled “The World’s Ugliest Woman”. It was images of her. I can’t even imagine.

Correction.

588 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 15, 2015 12:20:38pm

re: #580 A Cranky One

Nice. Looked up one day to see a B-17 flying overhead, on the way to an air show in Chicago. Realized that it was probably a once-in-a-lifetime experience. A real kick seeing such an iconic aircraft flying overhead. Made history a bit more real.

Not that historic, but much rarer, I once looked up (close to downtown Seattle—what they call SoDo, “South Downtown”) and saw a Beech Starship flying overhead.

589 De Kolta Chair  Mar 15, 2015 12:20:47pm

re: #250 goddamnedfrank

Charles C. Johnson @ChuckCJohnson

Oh, and while we are on the subject of white men, I think we should thank them for you know, civilization!

“You’re welcome, I guess.” — Hammurabi
590 Floral Giraffe  Mar 15, 2015 12:20:56pm

re: #586 Dr Lizardo

I used to live near a small airport, in a neighborhood of post WW2 folks. I really miss the airplanes flying over. Especially on a Sunday afternoon. You could hear the engines & run out to look!

591 Whack-A-Mole  Mar 15, 2015 12:22:48pm

re: #558 gwangung

Not to mention that more people watched Kluwe play every Sunday of his career than have ever heard of Chuckles or his book.

592 A Cranky One  Mar 15, 2015 12:23:02pm

re: #586 Dr Lizardo

Lived near Wright Patterson Air Force base for a couple of years as a kid. Had B-52s flying overhead constantly. One loud airplane!

The Air Force Museum was a fascinating place to visit. In those days you could walk up to and touch many of the aircraft. Made you realize the courage of some pilots to get in those airplanes.

593 CuriousLurker  Mar 15, 2015 12:25:28pm

One more—Daesh using the hearing impaired to spread their message:

Viewpoint: Why is IS featuring deaf people in a video?

In a video, which is reported to have been released last Sunday, two deaf IS fighters who communicate in sign language were shown appealing for other deaf people to join them. […]

The two men appear to have been given roles with responsibility and they sign confidently to camera. […]

The video’s title however: “Message from those who are excused to those who have no excuse” indicates another possible message. It appears to be aimed at shaming people who are not deaf or disabled in any way into joining IS. People who are disabled have no religious obligation to wage jihad, so the message appears to be that two deaf men have signed up, so shame on those who have not and have no official religious excuse. […]

bbc.com

Later, lizards.

594 A Cranky One  Mar 15, 2015 12:25:50pm

re: #588 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Wasn’t familiar with that aircraft. Fascinating. And as you note, very rare.

595 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 15, 2015 12:29:47pm

re: #589 De Kolta Chair

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Oh, and while we are on the subject of white men, I think we should thank them for you know, civilization!

Well, if the Sumerians weren’t white, they sure made themselves look that way…oh that’s not what he meant? So was Sargon of Akkad white? If not, is that when things started to go to shit? Or if so, why are Akkadian (and Hebrew) speakers “white”, when Arabic speakers aren’t?

Chuck’s head must be a confusing place to be.

596 Belafon  Mar 15, 2015 12:31:38pm

re: #595 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Chuck’s head must be a confusing place to be.

If, by Chuck, you mean a large population of American’s who have no real concept of world history, the majority of which we call Republicans.

597 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2015 12:32:33pm

I flew on one of Island Air’s Ford Tri-motors once from Sandusky, Ohio, to Bass Island and back. It was very cool.

Port Clinton’s Liberty Aviation Museum, historic Ford Tri-Motor highlight aviation history in a boater’s town

598 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 15, 2015 12:35:47pm

re: #597 Backwoods_Sleuth

I flew on one of Island Air’s Ford Tri-motors once from Sandusky, Ohio, to Bass Island and back. It was very cool.

Port Clinton’s Liberty Aviation Museum, historic Ford Tri-Motor highlight aviation history in a boater’s town

Wow, I envy you! Was the vibration and noise as bad as they say, from having one engine bolted straight to the fuselage?

599 Nyet  Mar 15, 2015 12:38:07pm

re: #585 The War TARDIS

While the world is freaking out about Iran, the Russian dictator has just admitted that he was prepared for a nuclear option in case his attempt in Crimea failed.

600 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 15, 2015 12:38:49pm

re: #598 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Wow, I envy you! Was the vibration and noise as bad as they say, from having one engine bolted straight to the fuselage?

Just don’t climb outside like Jack Nicholson did in The Fortune!

601 ObserverArt  Mar 15, 2015 12:39:55pm

re: #597 Backwoods_Sleuth

I flew on one of Island Air’s Ford Tri-motors once from Sandusky, Ohio, to Bass Island and back. It was very cool.

Port Clinton’s Liberty Aviation Museum, historic Ford Tri-Motor highlight aviation history in a boater’s town

Wow. Those were classic planes and that airline was known for them. My parents used stop by the airport when we were going to Cedar Point. My father thought Henry Ford was a god. All that got me deep into mechanical things. But I remember those old corrugated metal beauties.

602 The War TARDIS  Mar 15, 2015 12:40:42pm

re: #599 Nyet

I will be honest.

I think we should make a deal with Iran, and switch sides. Saudi is a poor ally.

603 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2015 12:41:13pm

re: #598 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Wow, I envy you! Was the vibration and noise as bad as they say, from having one engine bolted straight to the fuselage?

Oh, yeah!
One thing I particularly remember was watching a rivet or bolt that kept spinning around with the vibrations on the wing next to my window and thinking “welp, this could be interesting…”

:D

604 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 15, 2015 12:42:05pm

re: #599 Nyet

While the world is freaking out about Iran, the Russian dictator has just admitted that he was prepared for a nuclear option in case his attempt in Crimea failed.

Boy, the downfall of the USSR really did stabilize the world situation, didn’t it?

Of course, they were going to preempt against China’s nuclear program, if Nixon (fucking Nixon!) hadn’t talked them out of it.

605 Lidane  Mar 15, 2015 12:42:39pm

*facepalm*

606 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 15, 2015 12:43:43pm

re: #602 The War TARDIS

I will be honest.

I think we should make a deal with Iran, and switch sides. Saudi is a poor ally.

A-fucking-men!!

607 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2015 12:44:31pm

Oh, and landing at the airstrip on Bass Island was a real thrill: there were a bunch of really tall trees at one end of the runway and the pilot had to literally drop the plane down onto the ground after clearing the treeline. On the return trip, the takeoff was incredibly steep to again avoid the previously mentioned trees.
We were more worried about the safety of all the cases of wine we were bringing back with us.

:D

608 A Cranky One  Mar 15, 2015 12:46:45pm

re: #593 CuriousLurker

Ah, CL posted. Good thing, the thread was getting a bit long. ;)

609 Decatur Deb  Mar 15, 2015 12:49:25pm

re: #607 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh, and landing at the airstrip on Bass Island was a real thrill: there were a bunch of really tall trees at one end of the runway and the pilot had to literally drop the plane down onto the ground after clearing the treeline. On the return trip, the takeoff was incredibly steep to again avoid the previously mentioned trees.
We were more worried about the safety of all the cases of wine we were bringing back with us.

:D

A few months ago I heard the distinctive sound, and saw a tri-motor circling for the airport. We are an aviation-heavy area because of Ft. Rucker. They have a beautiful museum on Army aviation, but it’s helicopter-heavy of course. It does include WWI stuff, and even a few scraps of Civil War ballooning.

610 Floral Giraffe  Mar 15, 2015 12:49:48pm

re: #607 Backwoods_Sleuth

We went to the airport to drop off a friend in Saba very short runway!
Shortest commercial runway in the world!

611 De Kolta Chair  Mar 15, 2015 1:07:19pm

re: #600 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Just don’t climb outside like Jack Nicholson did in The Fortune!

The only thing I remember about that flick was that it launched my huge crush on Stockard Channing.
612 BillinGlendaleCA  Mar 15, 2015 1:11:43pm

re: #575 De Kolta Chair

Only four, I’m shocked. Congrats to your Wildcats.

613 Nyet  Mar 15, 2015 1:22:42pm

re: #604 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Boy, the downfall of the USSR really did stabilize the world situation, didn’t it?

Of course, they were going to preempt against China’s nuclear program, if Nixon (fucking Nixon!) hadn’t talked them out of it.

The downfall of that totalitarian state was a good thing in itself.
The mistake was in thinking that it was the end rather than the beginning of really hard work.

614 De Kolta Chair  Mar 15, 2015 1:42:52pm

re: #611 De Kolta Chair

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His pun on the names K. C. Jones and Casey Jones gave me a chuckle.

615 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 15, 2015 3:19:00pm

re: #590 Floral Giraffe

I used to live near a small airport, in a neighborhood of post WW2 folks. I really miss the airplanes flying over. Especially on a Sunday afternoon. You could hear the engines & run out to look!

Back in the ‘70’s we lived in south Seattle, between Sea-Tac and Boeing Field. There were 747’s taking off and landing like every 10 minutes. Those are such beautiful, stately aircraft.


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