Tom Cotton Tries to Sabotage Obama’s Iran Deal, Then Calls for Massive Defense Spending

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Sen. Tom Cotton, fresh from his disturbing attempt to subvert President Obama’s negotiations with Iran, took to the Senate floor today and advocated immense defense spending increases.

The Republican Party really, really wants another war, because they know they and their corporate masters will be the ones to reap the profits from it, and they could not care less if it drives the country into even deeper debt and recession. The American public be damned.

And of course, Cotton invoked Hitler.

While Obama has proposed raising spending on defense to $534 billion and Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Jack Reed (D-R.I.) advocated a budget of $577 billion, Cotton said the U.S. needs north of $611 billion to manage a world he said had “grown gravely darker” since Obama took office.

Beginning his speech by quoting Winston Churchill’s remarks from 1933, Cotton drew parallels between the current world order and Adolf Hitler’s rise to power in Germany: “[W]e alone are growing weaker while every other nation is growing stronger.”

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581 comments
1 The War TARDIS  Mar 16, 2015 6:16:16pm

Considering what Cotton wants to do with Iranians, I think he is the other side of the coin from Churchill.

2 Kragar  Mar 16, 2015 6:18:12pm

But remember, we can’t afford to pay for healthcare, better schools, or infrastructure, plus we need to cut taxes on the rich to spur “job creation”.

3 Great White Snark  Mar 16, 2015 6:19:26pm

re: #1 The War TARDIS

Agreed.
Been reading some arms control sites view of the agreement. Long paper short, the thing about the deal, the overarching benefit is simply a lack of war. past that, it’s better than no deal, brings inspectors to Iran and puts them in a position to abandon weapons in the face of a far more beneficial option. Nuclear for electricity and medical isotopes. Inspections to ensure safety. And an end to sanctions so the nation can prosper without the damn things. (Nukes)

4 Skip Intro  Mar 16, 2015 6:19:54pm

re: #2 Kragar

Yeah, and we can’t afford to spend any money on the people who the Repugs will send to fight this new war either.

5 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 16, 2015 6:21:05pm

re: #2 Kragar

But remember, we can’t afford to pay for healthcare, better schools, or infrastructure, plus we need to cut taxes on the rich to spur “job creation”.

Or build 27 new VA facilities all at once.

6 Charles Johnson  Mar 16, 2015 6:21:07pm
7 b.d.  Mar 16, 2015 6:21:48pm

Don’t we already have bought and paid for nukes that Cotton wants to use?

Let’s cut the bullshit and get to the chase, he may be new but I’ve heard this bs for many years.

8 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 16, 2015 6:22:18pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

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9 Dark_Falcon  Mar 16, 2015 6:22:25pm

Increasing the DoD’s budget does not mean going to war. It means equipping and training our forces so that they’ll be even better than now, but that does not mean we have to have a war.

10 b.d.  Mar 16, 2015 6:23:47pm

re: #2 Kragar

But remember, we can’t afford to pay for healthcare, better schools, or infrastructure, plus we need to cut taxes on the rich to spur “job creation”.

All the money in the world for war no questions asked but we better piss test every one on government assistance because they might have smoked a joint.

11 The War TARDIS  Mar 16, 2015 6:23:51pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

Shove it. I will do anything to prevent war with Iran. If Fatemeh gets killed, I will consider it your fault.

12 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 16, 2015 6:25:13pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

Increasing the DoD’s budget does not mean going to war. It means equipping and training our forces so that they’ll be even better than now, but that does not mean we have to have a war.

hahahahaaaaa!

But when those soldiers go to war, because you don’t have a problem with a nuclear Iran if it pokes the Obama administration in the eye, they can just shut up and fade away when/if they come home and just be grateful for “thanks for your service”.

13 Kragar  Mar 16, 2015 6:26:54pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

You’re talking about a Congress which has a history of forcing the DoD to fund projects they don’t want and obstructing projects they think are vital.

14 Dark_Falcon  Mar 16, 2015 6:26:57pm

One last thing, then I need to go. I mentioned this on the previous thread, but its worth saying again: Tom Cotton did serve in the US Army in both Iraq and Afghanistan, winning the Combat Infantryman Badge and the Bronze Star.

So whatever else he may be, Tom Cotton is not a chickenhawk.

15 b.d.  Mar 16, 2015 6:28:16pm

So Cotton wants to do away with the sequester now too? Can we get a vote on that?

16 Dark_Falcon  Mar 16, 2015 6:28:28pm

re: #11 The War TARDIS

I haven’t called for war with Iran, and in fact I oppose it. Calm down.

17 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 16, 2015 6:28:44pm

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

One last thing, then I need to go. I mentioned this on the previous thread, but its worth saying again: Tom Cotton did serve in the US Army in both Iraq and Afghanistan, winning the Combat Infantryman Badge and the Bronze Star.

So whatever else he may be, Tom Cotton is not a chickenhawk.

Wingnuts who think Tom Cotton is beyond reproach just because he is a combat vet don’t remember what they said about Bowe Bergdahl.

Just sayin’

18 Kragar  Mar 16, 2015 6:28:48pm

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

One last thing, then I need to go. I mentioned this on the previous thread, but its worth saying again: Tom Cotton did serve in the US Army in both Iraq and Afghanistan, winning the Combat Infantryman Badge and the Bronze Star.

So whatever else he may be, Tom Cotton is not a chickenhawk.

I believe the term you’re looking for is “sell out.”

19 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 16, 2015 6:28:59pm

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

One last thing, then I need to go. I mentioned this on the previous thread, but its worth saying again: Tom Cotton did serve in the US Army in both Iraq and Afghanistan, winning the Combat Infantryman Badge and the Bronze Star.

So whatever else he may be, Tom Cotton is not a chickenhawk.

Cotton obviously didn’t learn a damned thing about war, but he sure learned about how to make money off of war.

He’s an asshole.

20 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 16, 2015 6:29:14pm

re: #15 b.d.

So Cotton wants to do away with the sequester now too? Can we get a vote on that?

He is for small government except when he’s for Big War.

21 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 16, 2015 6:29:51pm

re: #16 Dark_Falcon

I haven’t called for war with Iran, and in fact I oppose it. Calm down.

The hell you didn’t call for war.
You flat out said this morning that you are perfectly fine with a nuclear Iran.

22 #FergusonFireside  Mar 16, 2015 6:29:58pm

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

One last thing, then I need to go. I mentioned this on the previous thread, but its worth saying again: Tom Cotton did serve in the US Army in both Iraq and Afghanistan, winning the Combat Infantryman Badge and the Bronze Star.

So whatever else he may be, Tom Cotton is not a chickenhawk.

He’a a bought and paid for war hawk. Exactly what we don’t want/need.

23 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 6:30:04pm

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

One last thing, then I need to go. I mentioned this on the previous thread, but its worth saying again: Tom Cotton did serve in the US Army in both Iraq and Afghanistan, winning the Combat Infantryman Badge and the Bronze Star.

So whatever else he may be, Tom Cotton is not a chickenhawk.

He may not be a chickenhawk but it’s pretty chickenshit of him to agitate for war with Iran from the safety of the U.S Senate.

24 Dark_Falcon  Mar 16, 2015 6:30:14pm

re: #17 The Mother Of All Pies

Wingnuts who think Tom Cotton is beyond reproach just because he is a combat vet don’t remember what they said about Bowe Bergdahl.

Just sayin’

I didn’t say he’s ‘beyond reproach’, all I said is that he did serve in combat and so cannot be called a chickenhawk. There was no subtext. BBL

25 Thanos  Mar 16, 2015 6:30:40pm

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26 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 6:30:45pm

re: #17 The Mother Of All Pies

Wingnuts who think Tom Cotton is beyond reproach just because he is a combat vet don’t remember what they said about Bowe Bergdahl.

Just sayin’

or the current Secretary of State when he was a presidential candidate. Sorry DF but Cotton being a decorated military veteran doesn’t preclude him from criticism on his present actions which effect other people’s children.

27 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 16, 2015 6:30:51pm

re: #24 Dark_Falcon

I didn’t say he’s ‘beyond reproach’, all I said is that he did serve in combat and so cannot be called a chickenhawk. There was no subtext. BBL

BULLSHIT.

28 The War TARDIS  Mar 16, 2015 6:31:02pm

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

This guy served too.

At what point do you stop supporting these pointless bloodbaths? When? Iran is a nation of 77 Million, far more modern than Iraq or Afghanistan.

It will turn into one of the bloodiest conflicts ever.

Just because a former soldier supports it, doesn’t mean anything. Cotton seems to be a sociopath at best.

29 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 6:31:04pm

re: #24 Dark_Falcon

I didn’t say he’s ‘beyond reproach’, all I said is that he did serve in combat and so cannot be called a chickenhawk. There was no subtext. BBL

Has anyone here called him a chickenhawk?

30 A Cranky One  Mar 16, 2015 6:31:12pm

re: #13 Kragar

You’re talking about a Congress which has a history of forcing the DoD to fund projects they don’t want and obstructing projects they think are vital.

This. When we are purchasing planes, tanks and the like and immediately mothballing them, what benefit is there? How does that help the military or the taxpayers. This is corporate welfare on a massive scale.

31 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 16, 2015 6:31:21pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

Where’s the tax increase to pay for this increased spending?

Besides, if you’re worried about corruption in government spending, a massive increase in defense spending would be the perfect thing to oppose.

Just saying.

32 Dark_Falcon  Mar 16, 2015 6:31:29pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

The hell you didn’t call for war.
You flat out said this morning that you are perfectly fine with a nuclear Iran.

By saying I could accept that I was saying that it was something we should not go to war to prevent.

33 The War TARDIS  Mar 16, 2015 6:32:05pm

re: #31 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Not to mention said Military spending is probably the most corrupt area of government.

34 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 6:32:05pm

re: #31 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Where’s the tax increase to pay for this increased spending?

Besides, if you’re worried about corruption in government spending, a massive increase in defense spending would be the perfect thing to oppose.

Just saying.

It’s only spending in “entitlements” that has problems. Rolling of the eyes.

35 b.d.  Mar 16, 2015 6:32:23pm

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

One last thing, then I need to go. I mentioned this on the previous thread, but its worth saying again: Tom Cotton did serve in the US Army in both Iraq and Afghanistan, winning the Combat Infantryman Badge and the Bronze Star.

So whatever else he may be, Tom Cotton is not a chickenhawk.

So he has a Bronze Star like John Kerry does but not the Silver Star or Purple Heart that he has. Have we been given adequate real life examples on how to revere his service from the GOP?

36 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 16, 2015 6:33:15pm

re: #34 HappyWarrior

It’s only spending in “entitlements” that has problems. Rolling of the eyes.

Entitlements like those 27 VA hospitals for the troops.

37 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 16, 2015 6:33:21pm

re: #32 Dark_Falcon

By saying I could accept that I was saying that it was something we should not go to war to prevent.

LOL!
And you somehow think that a nuclear Iran will prevent the wingnut GOP from going to war?
REALLY???

38 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 16, 2015 6:33:29pm

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

His treason dishonors both those awards, his service and his uniform. I have even less respect for him than I do for Ollie North; I wish that were not possible.

39 Belafon  Mar 16, 2015 6:34:49pm

re: #11 The War TARDIS

Shove it. I will do anything to prevent war with Iran. If Fatemeh gets killed, I will consider it your fault.

Are you talking about Fatemeh Haghighatjoo (I googled, and this seemed the most reasonable)? I would marry her just to take on her last name.

40 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 16, 2015 6:35:22pm

re: #25 Thanos

But we will be, as a nation, by Cruz, Cotton and the rest of the GOP fascists…

41 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 16, 2015 6:35:33pm
42 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 6:35:39pm

re: #35 b.d.

So he has a Bronze Star like John Kerry does but not the Silver Star or Purple Heart that he has. Have we been given adequate real life examples on how to revere his service from the GOP?

We should wear purple heart band aids to show how much we respect his service. Seriously, it’s nice that Cotton did in fact serve his country but tell me where has the GOP and right shown similar deference to Democratic/liberal veterans with a differing perspective?

43 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 6:36:06pm

re: #36 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Entitlements like those 27 VA hospitals for the troops.

Yep.

44 Charles Johnson  Mar 16, 2015 6:36:12pm

How many times does America need to get tricked into fighting wars by the 1% before we wake up and see what they’re doing? These people come out of every war with more money in their bank accounts, while the people of America suffer and die and go without a social safety net. It’s time to say ENOUGH OF THIS.

45 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 6:36:52pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

How many times does America need to get tricked into fighting wars by the 1% before we wake up and see what they’re doing? These people come out of every war with more money in their bank accounts, while the people of America suffer and die and go without a social safety net. It’s time to say ENOUGH OF THIS.

Fool me once………..

46 Belafon  Mar 16, 2015 6:37:58pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

How many times does America need to get tricked into fighting wars by the 1% before we wake up and see what they’re doing? These people come out of every war with more money in their bank accounts, while the people of America suffer and die and go without a social safety net. It’s time to say ENOUGH OF THIS.

But gunswaronchristmasbengazhiabortiongayslazywelfarecheats.

How do we get white people to understand they’ve been had?

47 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 6:38:52pm

re: #46 Belafon

But gunswaronchristmasbengazhiabortiongayslazywelfarecheats.

How do we get white people to understand they’ve been had?

Tell them their taxes will go up. Maybe that will get them concerned if the human cost doesn’t.

48 missliberties  Mar 16, 2015 6:39:27pm

What the wingnut neocons are doing is so obvious if you have ever taken time to read up on their philosophy of Jesus is the free markets.

I wonder how Tom Cotton and Rand Paul are getting along these days.

49 WhatEVs  Mar 16, 2015 6:40:16pm

re: #34 HappyWarrior

It’s only spending in “entitlements” that has problems. Rolling of the eyes.

Or anything that helps the average American and not Corporate America.

50 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 6:40:37pm

re: #49 WhatEVs

Or anything that helps the average American and not Corporate America.

Damned straight.

51 lostlakehiker  Mar 16, 2015 6:40:43pm

There’s another way to look at it. The first key fact is that iran is actually pursuing a nuclear capability. This has to be understood. They aren’t building ballistic missiles to carry dynamite.

They don’t want nuclear energy; it’s more expensive to them than natural-gas fired electricity would be.

They don’t need a whole arsenal worth of enriched uranium for medical isotopes.

Now, is the deal under discussion going to have any other result, down the road, than a nuclear-armed Iran? What’s going to happen that will sway them from their course, under that deal? Inspections may slow it down, I suppose.

Churchill made the point that the choice at Munich had not been between war and peace, but between war at better odds and war at worse odds.

Here, the choice needn’t be between war sooner and war later, because it could be that sanctions would sway the regime and convince it to stand down its nuclear arsenal ambitions. But not if we give away the store.

If I wanted to adopt the same rhetorical style that seems to be the fashion, I could say that the Democrats don’t just want war, they want nuclear war.

Because that’s one possibility if they’ve miscalculated.

But I know better than to fling such a hateful and unfounded accusation. They think their deal will work. Are you sure?

52 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 16, 2015 6:41:09pm

re: #47 HappyWarrior

Tell them their taxes will go up. Maybe that will get them concerned if the human cost doesn’t.

Except their taxes won’t go up and they know it. There’s no way any tax increase could get through any congress that could conceivably be elected in America today.

53 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 16, 2015 6:41:35pm

re: #51 lostlakehiker

Keep banging that war drum

54 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 6:41:51pm

re: #52 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Except their taxes won’t go up and they know it. There’s no way any tax increase could get through any congress that could conceivably be elected in America today.

I was being tongue in cheek there. Pointing out that seems to be the only way to get people to flip out.

55 b.d.  Mar 16, 2015 6:42:23pm

Was a time when the old guard of the Senate would tell the youngsters to sit back and watch for a decade or two but now they are too scared about getting teabagged out of office and roll right over.

56 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 6:43:31pm

re: #55 b.d.

Was a time when the old guard of the Senate would tell the youngsters to sit back and watch for a decade or two but now they are too scared about getting teabagged out of office and roll right over.

We’re talking about a man who expressed amazement that the Iranian regime controlled Tehran. A US Senator amazed that the Iranian government in fact has control of its capital city. Some real intellectual heavyweights the GOP has in office these days.

57 WhatEVs  Mar 16, 2015 6:43:47pm

re: #41 The Mother Of All Pies

Wow. What a complete and total piece of shit Cotton is.

58 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 16, 2015 6:44:08pm

re: #54 HappyWarrior

I was being tongue in cheek there. Pointing out that seems to be the only way to get people to flip out.

It just infuriates me when they swear up and down that their taxes are going up and up and up when they’ve demonstrably been going down and down and down for 40 years now.

59 Eventual Carrion  Mar 16, 2015 6:45:18pm

re: #17 The Mother Of All Pies

Wingnuts who think Tom Cotton is beyond reproach just because he is a combat vet don’t remember what they said about Bowe Bergdahl.

Just sayin’

Max Cleland

60 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 6:45:33pm

re: #57 WhatEVs

Wow. What a complete and total piece of shit Cotton is.

It didn’t even mention him telling a constituent not to take ACA because Russian gangsters would steal her identity. I don’t care if the man won a CMOH, he disgraces the uniform by pulling crappy stunts like that simply to gain political power.

61 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 6:45:51pm

re: #58 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

It just infuriates me when they swear up and down that their taxes are going up and up and up when they’ve demonstrably been going down and down and down for 40 years now.

I know right?

62 A Cranky One  Mar 16, 2015 6:46:21pm

re: #59 Eventual Carrion

Max Cleland

Tammy Duckworth.

63 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 6:46:21pm

re: #59 Eventual Carrion

Max Cleland

I had sadly forgotten about that chapter. That was even worse than Kerry honestly given Cleland’s wounds.

64 WhatEVs  Mar 16, 2015 6:46:22pm

re: #51 lostlakehiker

Did you say something?

65 #FergusonFireside  Mar 16, 2015 6:49:18pm

I’m cooking a seriously bad assed chicken quesadilla while re-watching The Walking Dead.

Y’all jealous.

66 Nyet  Mar 16, 2015 6:50:06pm

re: #51 lostlakehiker

Your credibility is such, that even if you were saying the sky is blue, I would have to check it myself.

67 WhatEVs  Mar 16, 2015 6:51:07pm

re: #66 Nyet

Your credibility is such, that even if you were saying the sky is blue, I would have to check it for myself.

His sky is never blue. It’s always an angry red.

68 b.d.  Mar 16, 2015 6:51:09pm

re: #65 #FergusonFireside

I’m cooking a seriously bad assed chicken quesadilla while re-watching The Walking Dead.

Y’all jealous.

Will you bake me some cookies if I steal you a bar of chocolate?

69 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 16, 2015 6:51:30pm

re: #57 WhatEVs

Wow. What a complete and total piece of shit Cotton is.

I was just about to page that article and then I saw it was written by Medea Benjamin.

That doesn’t make Tom Cotton less of an asshole.

70 #FergusonFireside  Mar 16, 2015 6:52:11pm

re: #68 b.d.

Will you bake me some cookies if I steal you a bar of chocolate?

After you wake up from your nightmare of being tied to a tree, yeah.

71 Thanos  Mar 16, 2015 6:52:40pm

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72 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 6:52:42pm

re: #69 The Mother Of All Pies

I was just about to page that article and then I saw it was written by Medea Benjamin.

That doesn’t make Tom Cotton less of an asshole.

Yeah because facts don’t change because of the person penning them. I am no fan of Code Pink but Cotton is a bigger asshole than Benjamin is.

73 #FergusonFireside  Mar 16, 2015 6:54:34pm
74 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 16, 2015 6:55:44pm

I’m going to vent here, briefly.
My youngest step-son gave more than 20 years of his life serving this country, retiring as a TSgt with the USAF.
He is 100% disabled as a result of his service.
It’s fortunate for him that he was stationed at Wright-Patterson when he retired and still lives in that immediate area, so has access to the medical facilities there.
However, the facility is overloaded and sometimes he is sent to a civilian hospital to deal with his chronic condition.
The civilian hospitals are also overwhelmed.
For veterans who came home to non-urban areas, access to VA care is even more dreadful.

Sorry for shouting, but:
THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

And I do NOT want to hear about how the GOP can flippantly talk about going to war AGAIN, but health care for our veterans AND American citizens as well are too costly.

75 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 6:55:57pm

re: #73 #FergusonFireside

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Darabont is simply the best at adapting King’s work. Green Mile, Shawshank, and the Mist were all excellent.

76 Nyet  Mar 16, 2015 6:56:35pm

re: #73 #FergusonFireside

Damn, I love SK.

77 Nyet  Mar 16, 2015 6:57:07pm

re: #75 HappyWarrior

I found Mist to be weak, tbh.

78 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 6:57:57pm

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m going to vent here, briefly.
My youngest step-son gave more than 20 years of his life serving this country, retiring as a TSgt with the USAF.
He is 100% disabled as a result of his service.
It’s fortunate for him that he was stationed at Wright-Patterson when he retired and still lives in that immediate area, so has access to the medical facilities there.
However, the facility is overloaded and sometimes he is sent to a civilian hospital to deal with his chronic condition.
The civilian hospitals are also overwhelmed.
For veterans who came home to non-urban areas, access to VA care is even more dreadful.

Sorry for shouting, but:
THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

And I do NOT want to hear about how the GOP can flippantly talk about going to war AGAIN, but health care for our veterans AND American citizens as well are too costly.

If there was a worthy subject of venting BS, this was it. I am tired of hearing from conservatives how we need to go to war but we can’t afford being able to take care of the men and women who are willing to sacrifice everything for our country. It’s frankly the least we owe them and then they try some crap like “We can’t afford it” bullfuckingshit, if your defense contractor buddies can afford yet another war, we can afford to doing what we can to help these guys when they get back home.

79 bratwurst  Mar 16, 2015 6:58:16pm

re: #63 HappyWarrior

I had sadly forgotten about that chapter. That was even worse than Kerry honestly given Cleland’s wounds.

Keep in mind that the man who smeared decorated veteran and triple amputee Max Cleland by claiming he was not sufficiently committed to US national defense, Saxby Chambliss, recently retired for fear of being primaried by today’s GOP which considers him TOO MODERATE.

80 Drive By Commenter  Mar 16, 2015 6:58:19pm

The GOP just doesn’t give a rats ass. They have lied so long and got away with it, that now, just like the racist bigotry, the mask drops. The only question is, will the American people recognize the face of the true enemy? If they have enough money to go to war with Iran, they have enough money to fix the VA and take care of every Vet who ever served and lost pieces of him or her in the wars that were never declared. Cotton is a viper. A snake and a bag man for the merchants of death.

81 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 6:58:41pm

re: #77 Nyet

I found Mist to be weak, tbh.

I liked it quite a bit but I do agree that Green Mile and Shawshank are stronger films. Green Mile actually shaped my views on capital punishment.

82 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 6:59:14pm

re: #79 bratwurst

Keep in mind that the man who smeared decorated veteran and triple amputee Max Cleland by claiming he was not sufficiently committed to US national defense, Saxby Chambliss, recently retired for fear of being primaried by today’s GOP which considers him TOO MODERATE.

Yeah I am well aware of how Chambliss suddenly found himself a RINO. Good riddance to right wing garbage.

83 #FergusonFireside  Mar 16, 2015 6:59:30pm

re: #77 Nyet

I found Mist to be weak, tbh.

The book, though. Wrecked many a nights.

84 A Cranky One  Mar 16, 2015 6:59:43pm

re: #51 lostlakehiker

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Here, the choice needn’t be between war sooner and war later, because it could be that sanctions would sway the regime and convince it to stand down its nuclear arsenal ambitions. But not if we give away the store.

Clue: It’s NOT just the US in talks with Iran. How can sanctions work if Iran reaches a deal with the other countries and they remove their sanctions?

If I wanted to adopt the same rhetorical style that seems to be the fashion, I could say that the Democrats don’t just want war, they want nuclear war.

Because that’s one possibility if they’ve miscalculated.

But I know better than to fling such a hateful and unfounded accusation. They think their deal will work. Are you sure?

You don’t have the first clue what the agreement being worked entails, yet are certain the deal, being worked by NOT just the US, but by P5+1, can’t possibly result in a non-nuclear armed Iran.

The P5+1 is a group of six world powers[1] which in 2006 joined the diplomatic efforts with Iran with regard to its nuclear program.[2] The term refers to the P5 or five permanent members of the UN Security Council, namely United Kingdom, United States, Russia, China, and France, plus Germany. P5+1 is often referred to as the E3+3 (or E3/EU+3) by European countries.[3] Wikipedia

Without their help, how do you plan to accomplish anything but a war?

Are you proud of both your ignorance and your arrogance?

85 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 16, 2015 6:59:45pm

Wingnut moron blames Democrats for Bush’s war, because of course==>
HURR HURR THEY SHOULD OF STOPPED HIM!!!!
HURR HURR SHE SHOULD OF LEFT HIM IF HE WAS BEATING HER UP!!!! IT’S HER FAULT!!!!!!

86 Drive By Commenter  Mar 16, 2015 7:00:29pm

No veteran who served this nation should ever have to rely upon the charity of strangers to put his or her life back together.

87 Nyet  Mar 16, 2015 7:00:43pm

re: #83 #FergusonFireside

The book, though. Wrecked many a nights.

Yes, the book is far stronger than the film.

88 #FergusonFireside  Mar 16, 2015 7:04:51pm

re: #79 bratwurst

Keep in mind that the man who smeared decorated veteran and triple amputee Max Cleland by claiming he was not sufficiently committed to US national defense, Saxby Chambliss, recently retired for fear of being primaried by today’s GOP which considers him TOO MODERATE.

Triple ding.

89 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 7:06:06pm

re: #86 Drive By Commenter

No veteran who served this nation should ever have to rely upon the charity of strangers to put his or her life back together.

Absolutely. Sadly it took until after WWII for the country ‘s Congress to figure this out.

90 WhatEVs  Mar 16, 2015 7:06:17pm

re: #86 Drive By Commenter

No veteran who served this nation should ever have to rely upon the charity of strangers to put his or her life back together.

Neither should regular people who work their asses off but can’t afford things like healthcare. We’re the only industrialized nation to fuck its populace over profits.

91 #FergusonFireside  Mar 16, 2015 7:06:32pm

re: #87 Nyet

Yes, the book is far stronger than the film.

Mrs. Carmody! (going from memory)

92 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 16, 2015 7:07:12pm

re: #89 HappyWarrior

Absolutely. Sadly it took until after WWII for the country ‘s Congress to figure this out.

And sadly, the current GOP in Congress think that taking care of our veterans is too much a strain on the national budget.

93 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 7:07:46pm

re: #90 WhatEVs

Neither should regular people who work their asses off but can’t afford things like healthcare. We’re the only industrialized nation to fuck its populace over profits.

this too. We still haven’t figured out what our Canadian, British, Israeli, and other Western ally friends found out years ago and why- because the right has succeeded in making “socialized medicine” out to be this scary boogeyman all the while the people who push this scare tactic often benefit from gasp socialized medicine.

94 Kragar  Mar 16, 2015 7:07:50pm

re: #77 Nyet

I found Mist to be weak, tbh.

The story was great.

The film, not as much.

95 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 7:08:13pm

re: #92 Backwoods_Sleuth

And sadly, the current GOP in Congress think that taking care of our veterans is too much a strain on the national budget.

The modern GOP would be too reactionary for the GOP of the 1910’s.

96 Nyet  Mar 16, 2015 7:08:34pm

re: #91 #FergusonFireside

Mrs. Carmody! (going from memory)

You have a much better memory than I, LOL. That is one scene in the film that was more satisfying than its mere description in the book ;)

97 Kragar  Mar 16, 2015 7:09:35pm

Given the last 15 years, what possible reason would we have to trust the GOP when it comes to foreign policy or defense?

Absolutely nothing comes to mind on why we should and there is a mountain of reasons why we should not.

98 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mar 16, 2015 7:10:20pm

re: #87 Nyet

I haven’t read many of Stephen King’s more recent novels, because the last several I did read seemed to follow a pattern where the first 2/3 of the story are really engrossing and then suddenly he whips out the dumbest third act imaginable. It’s terribly frustrating.

I nearly always find his short-story collections to be worth several re-reads, however.

99 #FergusonFireside  Mar 16, 2015 7:10:59pm

I’m at the pay attention part of TWD.

100 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 7:11:01pm

re: #97 Kragar

Given the last 15 years, what possible reason would we have to trust the GOP when it comes to foreign policy or defense?

Absolutely nothing comes to mind on why we should and there is a mountain of reasons why we should not.

Frankly on pretty much any policy this applies. The deficit? Yeah great fiscal restraint by the GOP Congress in the Bush years. Really, I don’t want to hear lectures from the GOP and right about fiscal responsibility.

101 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 16, 2015 7:11:12pm

re: #73 #FergusonFireside

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It’s a decent movie but really? I can’t think of anything made since then that hits those notes at the same level.

Umberto Eco put it best:

When all the archetypes burst in shamelessly, we reach Homeric depths. Two clichés make us laugh. A hundred clichés move us. For we sense dimly that the clichés are talking among themselves, and celebrating a reunion

Shawshank is only a three or four cliche movie on this scale…

102 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 7:11:47pm

I never read it but how would you all say Stand By Me compares to its source material?

103 Nyet  Mar 16, 2015 7:12:05pm

re: #98 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

There is that. I remember how reading Under The Dome was a great experience… right until it ended on some silly note (I don’t even remember how). Same with the DT.

104 goddamnedfrank  Mar 16, 2015 7:13:36pm

What’s all this about Tom Cotton has no dick?

/Well that’s what I heard.

105 wrenchwench  Mar 16, 2015 7:13:39pm

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m going to vent here, briefly.
My youngest step-son gave more than 20 years of his life serving this country, retiring as a TSgt with the USAF.
He is 100% disabled as a result of his service.
It’s fortunate for him that he was stationed at Wright-Patterson when he retired and still lives in that immediate area, so has access to the medical facilities there.
However, the facility is overloaded and sometimes he is sent to a civilian hospital to deal with his chronic condition.
The civilian hospitals are also overwhelmed.
For veterans who came home to non-urban areas, access to VA care is even more dreadful.

Sorry for shouting, but:
THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

And I do NOT want to hear about how the GOP can flippantly talk about going to war AGAIN, but health care for our veterans AND American citizens as well are too costly.

I have a customer who spent 20 years in the Navy and has a 10% disability and he has to get on the van at midnight to get an exam for new glasses.

106 Kragar  Mar 16, 2015 7:13:53pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

Frankly on pretty much any policy this applies. The deficit? Yeah great fiscal restraint by the GOP Congress in the Bush years. Really, I don’t want to hear lectures from the GOP and right about fiscal responsibility.

I was sticking to this specific topic, but you are correct.

107 Kid A  Mar 16, 2015 7:13:57pm

I see wingnut heads today were spinning out of control about Michelle celebrating the Persian New Year at the White House. Never mind that President George HW Bush started recognizing it in 1992. The conservaderp never ends.

108 Nyet  Mar 16, 2015 7:14:17pm

re: #104 goddamnedfrank

What’s all this about Tom Cotton has no dick?

/Well that’s what I heard.

Inside sources?

109 #FergusonFireside  Mar 16, 2015 7:14:17pm

William, enjoy my down ding. I will reverse in a sec. You need to feel it tho.

110 #FergusonFireside  Mar 16, 2015 7:14:53pm

re: #102 HappyWarrior

I never read it but how would you all say Stand By Me compares to its source material?

Excellent. Go back and read all Stephen King.

111 Drive By Commenter  Mar 16, 2015 7:15:04pm

re: #90 WhatEVs

Neither should regular people who work their asses off but can’t afford things like healthcare. We’re the only industrialized nation to fuck its populace over profits.

Worse than you think..

112 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 7:15:19pm

re: #106 Kragar

I was sticking to this specific topic, but you are correct.

Yeah I know. Really, they haven’t shown anything that shows they’re the reasonable voice on FP at all these past years.

113 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 7:15:46pm

re: #110 #FergusonFireside

Excellent. Go back and read all Stephen King.

Cool, I’ll give it a read. I enjoyed the movie quite a bit.

114 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 16, 2015 7:15:48pm

re: #102 HappyWarrior

I never read it but how would you all say Stand By Me compares to its source material?

Compare 12 Years A Slave with the original source material.

115 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 7:16:20pm

re: #114 The Mother Of All Pies

Compare 12 Years A Slave with the original source material.

Still need to read that too. I liked the film FWIW.

116 Nyet  Mar 16, 2015 7:16:37pm

re: #110 #FergusonFireside

Excellent. Go back and read all Stephen King.

I should too. Stopped at the JFK book. Well, more pleasure for me!

117 #FergusonFireside  Mar 16, 2015 7:17:35pm

re: #113 HappyWarrior

Cool, I’ll give it a read. I enjoyed the movie quite a bit.

His movies, mostly the tv translations have worked. His stories, though, will overwhelm it all.

118 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 16, 2015 7:18:29pm

re: #105 wrenchwench

I have a customer who spent 20 years in the Navy and has a 10% disability and he has to get on the van at midnight to get an exam for new glasses.

It is a national disgrace.

119 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 16, 2015 7:18:57pm

DARVO at its finest==>

120 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 7:20:20pm

re: #119 The Mother Of All Pies

DARVO at its finest==>

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Those aren’t all wars and two of those were cleaning up W’s mess.

121 Nyet  Mar 16, 2015 7:20:38pm
122 WhatEVs  Mar 16, 2015 7:20:45pm

re: #97 Kragar

Given the last 15 years, what possible reason would we have to trust the GOP when it comes to foreign policy or defense?

Absolutely nothing comes to mind on why we should and there is a mountain of reasons why we should not.

There’s not one single thing I can think of that the GOP does well or should be trusted with. Whining, complaining, and spreading hate don’t count.

123 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 16, 2015 7:21:04pm

re: #109 #FergusonFireside

William, enjoy my down ding. I will reverse in a sec. You need to feel it tho.

Didn’t see it and nothing matters if I did :D

124 wrenchwench  Mar 16, 2015 7:21:44pm

re: #102 HappyWarrior

I never read it but how would you all say Stand By Me compares to its source material?

I’m unfamiliar with the book behind it, but it’s a great movie and makes good use of the song.

125 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 7:22:13pm

re: #122 WhatEVs

There’s not one single thing I can think of that the GOP does well or should be trusted with. Whining, complaining, and spreading hate don’t count.

I honestly can’t either.

126 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 7:22:31pm

re: #124 wrenchwench

I’m unfamiliar with the book behind it, but it’s a great movie and makes good use of the song.

Yeah great movie and great song too.

127 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 16, 2015 7:24:11pm

THIS IS THE MOST BATSHIT INSANE WINGNUT MEME OF THE DAY==>

128 Drive By Commenter  Mar 16, 2015 7:25:26pm

re: #127 The Mother Of All Pies

THIS IS THE MOST BATSHIT INSANE WINGNUT MEME OF THE DAY==>

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I doubt that. I mean there was probably 100 other bat shit insane wing nut idiotic droolings that you missed./

129 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 7:25:52pm

re: #127 The Mother Of All Pies

THIS IS THE MOST BATSHIT INSANE WINGNUT MEME OF THE DAY==>

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Here’s a fact for conservatives who fap at Ronald Reagan’s gravesite that actually is more pertinent, Reagan grew the government at a higher rate than any president since WWII.

130 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 16, 2015 7:27:09pm

re: #124 wrenchwench

I’m unfamiliar with the book behind it, but it’s a great movie and makes good use of the song.

Stand By Me was originally a novella titled The Body.

131 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 16, 2015 7:27:11pm

re: #128 Drive By Commenter

I doubt that. I mean there was probably 100 other bat shit insane wing nut idiotic droolings that you missed./

LIKE ON FACEBOOK/STOP HILLARY has some fucked up memes. They are getting wound up for the next 8 years.

132 WhatEVs  Mar 16, 2015 7:27:13pm

re: #111 Drive By Commenter

Worse than you think..

That’s just sad.

133 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 7:27:15pm

Obama and I think this is why conservatives hate him is the fact he’s actually more conservative in his governing style than pretty much any conservative president since WWII. Obama would have fit in perfectly with what the GOP was before they decided to become the party of George C. Wallace.

134 #FergusonFireside  Mar 16, 2015 7:29:17pm

re: #124 wrenchwench

I’m unfamiliar with the book behind it, but it’s a great movie and makes good use of the song.

The story is one of his shorts. Called “The Body”

135 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 7:31:41pm

re: #134 #FergusonFireside

The story is one of his shorts. Called “The Body”

Just realized, I have a copy of it since I had the collection of short stories that Shawshank was published in for a film and lit class I took years back.

136 Nyet  Mar 16, 2015 7:32:07pm

Seems like Leon Wolf @ RedState was doing that thing called reasoning again:

dailykos.com

Dunno why he thinks that posting on a site run by a complete loon is reasonable though.

137 Nyet  Mar 16, 2015 7:32:53pm
138 Belafon  Mar 16, 2015 7:33:06pm

re: #133 HappyWarrior

Obama and I think this is why conservatives hate him is the fact he’s actually more conservative in his governing style than pretty much any conservative president since WWII. Obama would have fit in perfectly with what the GOP was before they decided to become the party of George C. Wallace.

There’s only been one Republican president since WW2 that fits your description, he spoke against the Military Industrial Complex, and Obama is to the left of him.

They hate him because 1) he’s a Democrat, and 2) he’s black.

139 Drive By Commenter  Mar 16, 2015 7:33:23pm

re: #132 WhatEVs

That’s just sad.

WE’RE #1 WE’RE #1 WE’RE #1……No. Not by a long shot.

140 wrenchwench  Mar 16, 2015 7:33:43pm
141 WhatEVs  Mar 16, 2015 7:33:45pm

re: #133 HappyWarrior

I think they’re more like the party of Curly Joe. Nyck. Nyck. Nyck.

142 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 7:34:10pm

re: #138 Belafon

There’s only been one Republican president since WW2 that fits your description, he spoke against the Military Industrial Complex, and Obama is to the left of him.

They hate him because 1) he’s a Democrat, and 2) he’s black.

It’s interesting but the most actually fiscally conservative GOP presidents are guys like Ike and Ford who were loathed by the party’s right in their own time.

143 #FergusonFireside  Mar 16, 2015 7:34:55pm

I’ve told this story before, but y’all need to look it up.

When Stephen King wrote the Green Mile, he wrote it in a format he remembered as a child, or read about. The Pocket Book.

The Green Mile was released monthly, in these pocket books. Maybe 5 Chapters ea?

I was one of the many, many who knew our store, knew when to arrive on
the Tuesday morning monthly release.

That’s how we read that amazing story. Mr. Jingles was really huge, more than they do with a movie.

144 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 7:35:11pm

re: #140 wrenchwench

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I wonder how much Kinder paid for that dog whistle. Yeah how dare the DOJ have a problem with racist cops, Kinder. That’s just awful.

145 #FergusonFireside  Mar 16, 2015 7:35:27pm

re: #135 HappyWarrior

Just realized, I have a copy of it since I had the collection of short stories that Shawshank was published in for a film and lit class I took years back.

Read now.

146 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 7:36:08pm

re: #145 #FergusonFireside

Read now.

Going to.

147 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 16, 2015 7:36:19pm

and here i thought nets and yahoos was a board game from the 70s

148 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 16, 2015 7:37:10pm

re: #138 Belafon

There’s only been one Republican president since WW2 that fits your description, he spoke against the Military Industrial Complex, and Obama is to the left of him.

They hate him because 1) he’s a Democrat, and 2) he’s black.

In the run up to the last election I saw a bumper sticker that said: “I liked Ike so much I voted for him 3 times: 52, 56 & 08.” Elderly driver so possibly literally true :D

149 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 7:37:15pm

re: #143 #FergusonFireside

I’ve told this story before, but y’all need to look it up.

When Stephen King wrote the Green Mile, he wrote it in a format he remembered as a child, or read about. The Pocket Book.

The Green Mile was released monthly, in these pocket books. Maybe 5 Chapters ea?

I was one of the many, many who knew our store, knew when to arrive on
the Tuesday morning monthly release.

That’s how we read that amazing story. Mr. Jangles was really huge, more than they do with a movie.

GM really is such a beautiful but sad story. I mean it when I say that story more than anything shaped my views on the DP. I know that not every wrongfully convicted man is John Coffey and not every murderer is as repentant as Del or Arlen Bitterbuck but that movie shaped me in many ways.

150 Drive By Commenter  Mar 16, 2015 7:38:13pm

Well I go to lie me head down for a spell and free me mind of the burdens of the day. Saint Patricks Day is morn and the ghosts of past will dance with the living as some attempt to reach a higher plane by poisoning the present. It really is one day that in many areas blind fucking shit faced drunks are loved for nothing more than their smiling booze drenched faces glowing with the fuel of spirits and barley pop. Raise a glass and praise the Irish, for no man nor King has managed to drench their spirit. That they can do quite well by themselves. Slainte!

Do not stand at my grave and weep,
I am not there… I do not sleep.
I am the thousand winds that blow…
I am the diamond glints on snow…
I am the sunlight on ripened grain…
I am the gentle autumn rain.
When you waken in the morning’s hush,
I am the swift uplifting rush
Of gentle birds in circling flight…
I am the soft star that shines at night.
Do not stand at my grave and cry—
I am not there… I did not die…

151 Nyet  Mar 16, 2015 7:39:50pm

Heh, I can understand Bibi’s ads coz they’re subtitled in Hebrew and Russian (no English tho).

152 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 7:40:19pm

re: #150 Drive By Commenter

Well I go to lie me head down for a spell and free me mind of the burdens of the day. Saint Patricks Day is morn and the ghosts of past will dance with the living as some attempt to reach a higher plane by poisoning the present. It really is one day that in many areas blind fucking shit faced drunks are loved for nothing more than their smiling booze drenched faces glowing with the fuel of spirits and barley pop. Raise a glass and praise the Irish, for no man nor King has managed to drench their spirit. That they can do quite well by themselves. Slainte!

Do not stand at my grave and weep,
I am not there… I do not sleep.
I am the thousand winds that blow…
I am the diamond glints on snow…
I am the sunlight on ripened grain…
I am the gentle autumn rain.
When you waken in the morning’s hush,
I am the swift uplifting rush
Of gentle birds in circling flight…
I am the soft star that shines at night.
Do not stand at my grave and cry—
I am not there… I did not die…

I’ve always identified most with my Irish ancestry. You’re right. No amount of oppression has broken their spirit and I have to say having been to Ireland twice now, they really are some of the warmest people you’ll meet.

153 Great White Snark  Mar 16, 2015 7:40:47pm

Ready for a lighter note? Paged a bunch of photos from the weekend. Hope ya find them interesting.
Paged

154 #FergusonFireside  Mar 16, 2015 7:41:14pm

re: #140 wrenchwench

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Racists looking in the mirror, er, at the report. All they can do is deflect.

Old as the 1850’s.

155 Timothy Watson  Mar 16, 2015 7:44:39pm

re: #140 wrenchwench

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LAWYERS DEFENDING CLIENTS?!!??!! OUTRAGOUS!!1!!

On a (slightly) more serious note, are they saying that Holder is worse than Janet Reno?

156 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 7:45:18pm

re: #155 Timothy Watson

LAWYERS DEFENDING CLIENTS?!!??!! OUTRAGOUS!!1!!

On a (slightly) more serious note, are they saying that Holder is worse than Janet Reno?

Yes because Holder is UNLIKE ANY OTHER AG THAN HISTORY……………………………………….He’s black.

157 Drive By Commenter  Mar 16, 2015 7:45:20pm

re: #152 HappyWarrior

One thing before I go. It saddens me to see so many Irish Americans in the GOP being complete dicks. Pisses me off to no end. I’m old enough to have been called a Mick, and fought over my name and came from humble beginnings. To see other Irish American politicians shit on poor people kills me.I hate them for that.

158 Nyet  Mar 16, 2015 7:47:38pm

re: #136 Nyet

Leon H. Wolf Mod • 13 hours ago
If I may be permitted the conceit of commenting on my own post.

To the extent that there is criticism of the post in the comments, it is exclusively focused on the racial bias section. I find this to be an interesting phenomenon. Thus, among people who bothered to read the post, they can believe that the Ferguson PD was an inexcusable revenue generation machine, that it habitually used excessive force, that it punished people regularly for contempt of cop, that it systematically violated its citizens civil liberties. All of this is believable. But not, apparently, that justice was also administered in a racially biased (which is different from racist) way.

That’s an awful lot of dedication to the proposition that people you don’t know couldn’t possibly be racially biased. And that’s all I further intend to say on this matter.
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159 #FergusonFireside  Mar 16, 2015 7:47:58pm

Darth, my friend

160 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 7:48:28pm

re: #157 Drive By Commenter

One thing before I go. It saddens me to see so many Irish Americans in the GOP being complete dicks. Pisses me off to no end. I’m old enough to have been called a Mick, and fought over my name and came from humble beginnings. To see other Irish American politicians shit on poor people kills me.I hate them for that.

Absolutely. Bothers me too.

161 #FergusonFireside  Mar 16, 2015 7:49:48pm

re: #158 Nyet

Bravo Leon.

162 Nyet  Mar 16, 2015 7:50:40pm

re: #161 #FergusonFireside

There is still that “racially biased (which is different from racist)” stuff, but he’s on the right way, and it’s not the first time.

163 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 16, 2015 7:50:50pm

re: #159 #FergusonFireside

Darth, my friend

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Sorry, I’m not a big deadhead by any stretch of the imagination but, really, the Dead died on August 9, 1995.

164 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 7:52:09pm

re: #163 William Barnett-Lewis

Sorry, I’m not a big deadhead by any stretch of the imagination but, really, the Dead died on August 9, 1995.

They’re a band I’ve never been able to get into. Won’t knock anyone who is of course since music taste is subjective. I do like Scorsese’s musical documentaries though. I watched the Harrison one a month or so back and enjoyed it a lot.

165 Belafon  Mar 16, 2015 7:53:33pm

Today’s xkcd may be one of the deepest. So much of society functions on the crazy and stupid not being large enough to cause damage, and we’re crossing that point because it’s the only way Republicans can remain in power.

Disclaimer, Randall says nothing about Republicans. That’s me. But it fits.

166 A Cranky One  Mar 16, 2015 7:56:43pm

re: #163 William Barnett-Lewis

Sorry, I’m not a big deadhead by any stretch of the imagination but, really, the Dead died on August 9, 1995.

Nor am I a deadhead, but I agree. Saw the Dead in concert while Jerry was still with them, they played for almost 3 hours, with an intermission. First half sucked and I wondered what the fuss was about. After the intermission, they said they’d been having sound problems which were fixed. Second half was great. I think a much better band live than on record. But with Garcia gone? Not sure.

167 Nyet  Mar 16, 2015 7:58:55pm

Many mentions of Charles/LGF in that DKos thread (in the positive sense).

168 Nyet  Mar 16, 2015 8:16:06pm
169 #FergusonFireside  Mar 16, 2015 8:17:04pm

Finished the Walking Dead repeat. My dog.

Gabriel. Oh Father Gabriel.

170 lostlakehiker  Mar 16, 2015 8:17:15pm

re: #84 A Cranky One

Clue: It’s NOT just the US in talks with Iran. How can sanctions work if Iran reaches a deal with the other countries and they remove their sanctions?

You don’t have the first clue what the agreement being worked entails, yet are certain the deal, being worked by NOT just the US, but by P5+1, can’t possibly result in a non-nuclear armed Iran.

The P5+1 is a group of six world powers[1] which in 2006 joined the diplomatic efforts with Iran with regard to its nuclear program.[2] The term refers to the P5 or five permanent members of the UN Security Council, namely United Kingdom, United States, Russia, China, and France, plus Germany. P5+1 is often referred to as the E3+3 (or E3/EU+3) by European countries.[3] Wikipedia

Without their help, how do you plan to accomplish anything but a war?

Are you proud of both your ignorance and your arrogance?

Is it arrogance to doubt that the proposed arrangement will work? Or is it arrogance to be so sure it will?

The broad outlines of the proposed deal are emerging. None of us is entirely ignorant.

You seem to think that Russia is opposed to Iran’s becoming a nuclear power. Why?

And then there’s North Korea. Which right now is already a nuclear power, after decades of the US saying that that would be unacceptable. What does “unacceptable” mean, then? That we are not delighted by the result. It doesn’t even mean that we will not prop up their economy.

I expect that Iran will have a nuclear arsenal within 15 years. Why can they not replicate the steps North Korea took? Your side will get its way, and who knows where it will lead? I hope, and more than half expect, that Iran will be cautious. But I don’t know that it will. Look how they talk, after all. And Saudi Arabia will probably follow suit, as will Egypt, (Saudi Arabia won’t have to invent anything; they can buy stuff) and the Middle East isn’t known for being so much different from the Balkans when it comes to being a breeding ground of wars.

You say I want war. I don’t. Nobody does, really. [OK, except for Putin, who is even now waging one in Ukraine, one he started, and for ISIS, and for Boko Haram, and if we reach back into history, Saddam, and the Argentine colonels, and who-all. That’s the snag. Trotsky was right on one point.]

But the rest of us don’t want war. People get killed, and in much bigger numbers sometimes than what our own recent wars have come to. So that’s a good reason to want to avoid war. But say you assume, wrongly, that all I care about is business. Well, war is bad for business. It brings inflation, and higher taxes, and shortages, and it strips skilled manpower out of the workforce and wastes years of their time on the war, and some of them come back disabled or in caskets, which is again bad for business because they were our best, on the whole, and skilled labor is critical to the economy.

If I’m wrong and this all blows over peacefully, I’ll have to say that Obama will have earned the Nobel Peace Prize that was voted him without his having yet achieved anything much for peace at the time of the award.

171 WhatEVs  Mar 16, 2015 8:18:06pm

re: #168 Nyet

What is that? Rather, what’s it supposed to be?

172 Belafon  Mar 16, 2015 8:19:24pm

re: #171 WhatEVs

What is that? Rather, what’s it supposed to be?

It’s supposed to be fingers holding a mustard seed.

173 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 16, 2015 8:20:03pm

re: #171 WhatEVs

What is that? Rather, what’s it supposed to be?

Two fingers holding a very small seed. The fingernail on the left gives the intent away. I don’t think I need mention how it looks…

174 WhatEVs  Mar 16, 2015 8:21:03pm

re: #172 Belafon

It’s supposed to be fingers holding a mustard seed.

Oh. Uhm, sure. :-)

Really bad graphic design.

175 #FergusonFireside  Mar 16, 2015 8:21:23pm

re: #172 Belafon

It’s supposed to be fingers holding a mustard seed.

It’s a caper in a naughty place. Wheeee.

176 wrenchwench  Mar 16, 2015 8:21:27pm
177 makeitstop  Mar 16, 2015 8:22:05pm

Just jumping right in here, so apologies if this has been posted, but

The Rude Pundit has Tom Cotton’s number.

When Schieffer asked a perfectly logical, oughta-be-easy question, about what his big plans are if no deal is made with Iran, Cotton didn’t even try to address it. “Well, as Prime Minister Netanyahu said, the alternative to a bad deal is a better deal,” he said. What is that “better deal”? Fuck you. That’s the better deal. And we should listen to Israel’s leader instead of ours? Okay, man, but you better shut your Ozark meth whore mouth if a Democrat ever says, “Well, as Sweden’s Prime Minister said” when a Republican is president.

178 Nyet  Mar 16, 2015 8:24:20pm

The nutter’s whole thesis is built on the shaky premise that Iran would use the nukes first if it got them.

179 Jay C  Mar 16, 2015 8:24:36pm

re: #119 The Mother Of All Pies

DARVO at its finest==>

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“Obama’s [12] Wars”?

OK, Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya I get - and Syria a “maybe”… BUT: “Egypt”? WTF is the “war” there ? And the African countries: “Uganda”, “Somalia”, “C.A.R”? What do we have by way of actual military assets there outside of some various advisory groups? Yeah, “advisory” assistance can get out of hand sometimes, *cough*Vietnam”cough*, but do these knobs really think whatever we are doing in, say, The Congo, amounts to a “war”? And “Iran”?
- if anything, they are coming in on “our side” in Iraq: not to mention the nuclear talks designed to (hopefully) prevent a war.

That’s the basic problem with wingnut memes: complete bullshit, usually, but they sound convincing, and rarely-if-ever get challenged.

180 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 16, 2015 8:25:35pm

re: #170 lostlakehiker

The Norks have fired off several failed tests using most of what reasonable (aka sane and non-conservative) sources claim to have been their plutonium stash.

In addition you fail to remember that President Clinton negotiated a deal that would have ENDED the Nork nuclear threat that was abrogated by the Cheney^h^h^h^h^h^hBush Administration early in their regime’s tenure. Much like the 47 traitors would do to what Obama is trying to do for the good of the world rather than the good of the military industrial complex.

181 palomino  Mar 16, 2015 8:30:31pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

Increasing the DoD’s budget does not mean going to war. It means equipping and training our forces so that they’ll be even better than now, but that does not mean we have to have a war.

Here’s Cotton’s claim: “”[W]e alone are growing weaker while every other nation is growing stronger.”

OK, explain how we’re growing weaker when we already spend 10 times more than any other nation on defense. And what the hell does Cotton know, after being in the Senate for 2 months, that Obama and even war loving McCain don’t already know?

Basically, you just want to spend money because the military gets you excited. You don’t even have a reason (such as needing to fight a war). It’s always the nebulous “we need to be prepared” which is an essentially meaningless Boy Scout slogan.

And aren’t you the guy who says you can live with a nuclear Iran? (Maybe because it will make Obama look bad?) How do we deal militarily with Iran AFTER they have a nuke?

You seem so hell bent on a partisan news cycle victory that you’ve lost any ability for logical strategic thinking. I’m afraid you now have extreme ODS and are of little use as the resident “moderate responsible” conservative.

182 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 16, 2015 8:31:24pm

For some context on the Mustard seed, here’s the original image:

183 Romantic Heretic  Mar 16, 2015 8:31:31pm

re: #30 A Cranky One

This. When we are purchasing planes, tanks and the like and immediately mothballing them, what benefit is there? How does that help the military or the taxpayers. This is corporate welfare on a massive scale.

One of the biggest modern mistakes of modern economics is that defence spending is a capital investment. It’s not. It’s one of the purest forms of consumer spending as most of that money goes into things that are meant to be destroyed. Every time a bomb goes off or jet fuel is burned or ammunition expended that money that went to that is lost.

As John Ralston Saul puts it, “Armaments are a political necessity but an economic negative.”

184 Nyet  Mar 16, 2015 8:31:34pm

300K sigs, not bad.

petitions.whitehouse.gov

185 Romantic Heretic  Mar 16, 2015 8:32:17pm

re: #33 The War TARDIS

Not to mention said Military spending is probably the most corrupt area of government.

In the rest of the world’s militaries they say, “In America there is enough graft for everyone.”

186 palomino  Mar 16, 2015 8:34:22pm

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

One last thing, then I need to go. I mentioned this on the previous thread, but its worth saying again: Tom Cotton did serve in the US Army in both Iraq and Afghanistan, winning the Combat Infantryman Badge and the Bronze Star.

So whatever else he may be, Tom Cotton is not a chickenhawk.

Who said he was a chickenhawk? What people are actually saying is even worse: he’s a reckless opportunist douchebag with horrible ideas almost certain to push us into another war.

187 Nyet  Mar 16, 2015 8:34:30pm

Oh, so Hovind found guilty again. Sweet.

188 TedStriker  Mar 16, 2015 8:35:05pm

re: #135 HappyWarrior

Just realized, I have a copy of it since I had the collection of short stories that Shawshank was published in for a film and lit class I took years back.

The Running Man is one of King’s “Bachmann” stories.

The novella is much more of a mindfuck than Arnie’s flick.

189 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 8:35:46pm

re: #188 TedStriker

The Running Man is one of King’s “Bachmann” stories.

I thought Stand By Me was adopted from “The Body.”

190 goddamnedfrank  Mar 16, 2015 8:36:12pm

re: #174 WhatEVs

Oh. Uhm, sure. :-)

Really bad graphic design.

It’s what happens when you take an already shitty landscape oriented photo and try to shoehorn it into a portrait layout.

Then you pay some methed up youth pastor to throw in a little gradient to white so the fingernail gets obscured even more, overexpose it in levels, and then toss in a little gausian blur because it’s still not quite ‘tarded enough, et ouilla you’re ready for Jesus Town.

191 TedStriker  Mar 16, 2015 8:36:23pm

re: #189 HappyWarrior

I thought Stand By Me was adopted from “The Body.”

It was.

192 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 8:36:48pm

re: #191 TedStriker

It was.

Ah I’m confused then. Running Man?

193 sagehen  Mar 16, 2015 8:37:24pm

re: #188 TedStriker

The Running Man is one of King’s “Bachmann” stories.

I always liked “The Long Walk”.

194 Romantic Heretic  Mar 16, 2015 8:37:26pm

re: #77 Nyet

I found Mist to be weak, tbh.

I gave up on it when I realized half the characters were TSTL.

That’s writer talk for Too Stupid To Live.

195 jaunte  Mar 16, 2015 8:37:58pm

re: #190 goddamnedfrank

Nothing like illustrating a metaphor with a literal image.

196 goddamnedfrank  Mar 16, 2015 8:38:04pm

Mus-tard seed amirite amirite, nudge nudge?

Oh fuck you all that shit is gold.

197 palomino  Mar 16, 2015 8:38:26pm

re: #32 Dark_Falcon

By saying I could accept that I was saying that it was something we should not go to war to prevent.

So then you’d tell Bibi to calm down and accept a nuclear Iran? I don’t think he or most Israelis will allow that to happen—understandbly, at least to some extent. Thus, war IS the most likely outcome if we follow your preferred policy.

198 sagehen  Mar 16, 2015 8:38:32pm

re: #192 HappyWarrior

Ah I’m confused then. Running Man?

It was a Schwarzenegger movie. Criminal sentenced to RUN RUN RUN TRY TO GET AWAY!! while hunters try to find him and kill him, all on live TV.

199 jaunte  Mar 16, 2015 8:39:09pm

“Look at that tiny little mustard seed, kids.”
“I’ve seen things a lot smaller.”

200 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 8:39:29pm

re: #198 sagehen

It was a Schwarzenegger movie. Criminal sentenced to RUN RUN RUN TRY TO GET AWAY!! while hunters try to find him and kill him, all on live TV.

Ahhhh gotcha thanks.

202 Nyet  Mar 16, 2015 8:40:03pm

re: #196 goddamnedfrank

Mus-tard seed amirite amirite, nudge nudge?

Oh fuck you all that shit is gold.

Quit your day job!

203 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 8:40:10pm

re: #201 TedStriker

en.wikipedia.org

en.wikipedia.org

Yeah, I see now. Interesting. Never knew Arnie was in a King adaption.

204 jaunte  Mar 16, 2015 8:40:27pm

Now there’s some graphic design from the golden age.

205 goddamnedfrank  Mar 16, 2015 8:40:31pm

If your faith is the size of a poppy seed however you’re straight boned and going into the lake of fire.

Jesus has standards.

206 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 8:41:24pm

re: #204 jaunte

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Now there’s some graphic design from the golden age.

I’ll take Unfortunate group names for a 1000, Alex.

207 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 16, 2015 8:41:38pm

Good night all, time to go enjoy one only night of the week I can go to bed before I normally go to work.

208 jaunte  Mar 16, 2015 8:41:55pm

re: #206 HappyWarrior

Language changes so fast.

209 WhatEVs  Mar 16, 2015 8:42:05pm

re: #190 goddamnedfrank

Oh why can I only give you one upding? LMAO!

210 Kragar  Mar 16, 2015 8:42:59pm

re: #198 sagehen

It was a Schwarzenegger movie. Criminal sentenced to RUN RUN RUN TRY TO GET AWAY!! while hunters try to find him and kill him, all on live TV.

You mean one of the greatest film events of our time?

…

211 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 8:43:29pm

re: #208 jaunte

Language changes so fast.

Yes, it does.

212 TedStriker  Mar 16, 2015 8:43:48pm

re: #203 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I see now. Interesting. Never knew Arnie was in a King adaption.

It was, shall we say, very loosely, based off of King’s novel.

213 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 8:44:16pm

re: #212 TedStriker

It was, shall we say, very loosely, based off of King’s novel.

Why doesn’t that surprise me?

214 aagcobb  Mar 16, 2015 8:46:06pm

re: #213 HappyWarrior

Why doesn’t that surprise me?

The novel is still very relevant today; it illustrates the logical outcome if GOP policies are followed to their conclusion.

215 goddamnedfrank  Mar 16, 2015 8:48:31pm
216 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 8:50:45pm

re: #215 goddamnedfrank

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Something’s wrong with that one. Not that we didn’t know that before.

217 TedStriker  Mar 16, 2015 8:51:28pm

re: #213 HappyWarrior

Why doesn’t that surprise me?

The major characters and some of the basic plot were all that made it into the movie, but the rest was pure 80s popcorn action flick.

That said, the supporting cast was much more interesting; Richard Dawson chewed up the screen as cold, calculating game show host Damon Killian and Yaphet Kotto did a pretty good turn as one of Arnie’s “partners-in-crime” (and member of the resistance). On top of that, Mick Fleetwood and Dweezil Zappa did fairly well in their roles as other members of the resistance (Fleetwood as the leader and Zappa as one of his lieutenants).

And what can be said about Maria Conchita Alonso? Back then, she was definitely F-I-N-E; hell, last I looked, she’s still looking pretty good.

218 Romantic Heretic  Mar 16, 2015 8:51:28pm

re: #192 HappyWarrior

Ah I’m confused then. Running Man?

re: #193 sagehen

I always liked “The Long Walk”.

Liked both of those. I had ‘The Bachmann Books’ and I thought they were much better than his other stuff. I find his other work is just too effen long.

219 goddamnedfrank  Mar 16, 2015 8:51:39pm
220 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 8:52:54pm

re: #217 TedStriker

The major characters and some of the basic plot were all that made it into the movie, but the rest was pure 80s popcorn action flick.

That said, the supporting cast was much more interesting; Richard Dawson chewed up the screen as cold, calculating game show host Damon Killian and Yaphet Kotto did a pretty good turn as one of Arnie’s “partners-in-crime”. On top of that, Mick Fleetwood and Dweezil Zappa did fairly well in their roles as members of the resistance.

I guess my point was I was unsurprised given the 80’s was pretty much the era for popcorn action flicks.

221 Romantic Heretic  Mar 16, 2015 8:54:37pm

re: #212 TedStriker

It was, shall we say, very loosely, based off of King’s novel.

A movie where Arnie dies at the end is not likely to be popular. Because that’s what happened to the protagonist in the book.

222 HappyWarrior  Mar 16, 2015 8:55:48pm

re: #218 Romantic Heretic

Liked both of those. I had ‘The Bachmann Books’ and I thought they were much better than his other stuff. I find his other work is just too effen long.

I am actually at the point where I enjoy short stories more than novels. I developed an appetite for them since we read a lot of short stories when I was in high school and some good ones when I took a post WWII American lit course in college. Plus and in the spirit of the holiday, one of my all time favorite works of fiction is James Joyce’s Dubliners.

223 TedStriker  Mar 16, 2015 8:57:39pm

re: #221 Romantic Heretic

A movie where Arnie dies at the end is not likely to be popular. Because that’s what happened to the protagonist in the book.

The ending from the novel would have been kickass, though.

But, no, the movie had to end with him and Alonso walking out after dealing with Killian…

224 Charles Johnson  Mar 16, 2015 8:57:57pm
225 WhatEVs  Mar 16, 2015 8:58:30pm

re: #221 Romantic Heretic

A movie where Arnie dies at the end is not likely to be popular. Because that’s what happened to the protagonist in the book.

Same with the Edge of Tomorrow (which I’m watching. Again.) Rita dies in the book. And the war goes on. It was a weird book…better movie (a rarity).

226 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 16, 2015 8:58:51pm

re: #224 Charles Johnson

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Facts are Chuck’s Kryptonite.

227 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 16, 2015 8:59:39pm

re: #225 WhatEVs

Same with the Edge of Tomorrow (which I’m watching. Again.) Rita dies in the book. And the war goes on. It was a weird book…better movie (a rarity).

Does it actually go deeper than “Groundhog Day with guns”?

228 WhatEVs  Mar 16, 2015 9:01:33pm

re: #227 Eclectic Cyborg

Does it actually go deeper than “Groundhog Day with guns?”?

No. Dude lives the same day over. That’s exactly like the book. Not much else is, though.

229 palomino  Mar 16, 2015 9:02:49pm

re: #51 lostlakehiker

Here, the choice needn’t be between war sooner and war later, because it could be that sanctions would sway the regime and convince it to stand down its nuclear arsenal ambitions. But not if we give away the store.

Over the last decade, we’ve done the exact opposite of giving away the store. Ten years of very harsh sanctions “succeeded” in lowering Iran’s number of centrifuges from 164 to 19,000. Oh wait, that sounds like a failure.

We can’t ratchet up sanctions much, they’re already at 11. So what are these other magical sanctions you refer to? And don’t count on the countries that Iran trades with to impose or continue sanctions. Russia, China, India, much of Europe—these nations are unlikely to extend sanctions longer or make them more severe.

All of which leaves us back where we started: with no monitors or inspectors, but lots of sanctions. Over the last 10 years that strategy led to 100 times as many Iranian centrifuges. Why the hell would anyone think it would succeed going forward?

How about we try monitors and inspectors for a while? At any point, we can always cancel the deal and re-impose the right’s beloved tough talk and (relatively worthless) sanctions.

230 Varek Raith  Mar 16, 2015 9:04:33pm

D_F and lostlakehiker.
Come on guys.
Knock it off.
You want war with Iran. No point in beating around that bush anymore.
e_e

231 WhatEVs  Mar 16, 2015 9:05:50pm

re: #230 Varek Raith

D_F and lostlakehiker.
Come on guys.
Knock it off.
You want war with Iran. No point in beating around that Bush anymore.
e_e

Or Cheney, for that matter. :-)

233 GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 16, 2015 9:11:27pm

re: #159 #FergusonFireside

Good. Because I sure as shit can’t afford those tickets.

234 palomino  Mar 16, 2015 9:15:29pm

re: #230 Varek Raith

D_F and lostlakehiker.
Come on guys.
Knock it off.
You want war with Iran. No point in beating around that bush anymore.
e_e

Exactly, they sound just like all the neocons in 2002, who at first claimed they didn’t really want war with Iraq.

Then they freaked out about nonexistent nukes (sound familiar?) and wanted war so badly they thumped their chests for the first 3 years of the Iraq War, until realizing the whole misadventure was an ill-advised POS.

Most importantly, neither df nor llh seems to have any non-military solution to the situation. Thus, by default, they support an eventual war, as the status quo isn’t sustainable in perpetuity.

235 goddamnedfrank  Mar 16, 2015 9:16:45pm

Most people of Nordic descent would be all like, “did you know my ancestors discovered rare earth metals, invented roller bearings and dynamite?”

Chuck on the other hand is all like, “Mmmm RAPE, so proud.”

236 Kragar  Mar 16, 2015 9:17:39pm
237 wrenchwench  Mar 16, 2015 9:21:40pm

Later, lizards.

238 palomino  Mar 16, 2015 9:24:16pm

re: #230 Varek Raith

D_F and lostlakehiker.
Come on guys.
Knock it off.
You want war with Iran. No point in beating around that bush anymore.
e_e

Of course they do. If they didn’t, they’d propose something other than the worthless “more sanctions” bullshit.

Iran has withstood decades of full US sanctions, so that’s worthless. And no other major economic power has shown a willingness to engage in long-term sanctions like we have.

239 Jenner7  Mar 16, 2015 9:28:41pm

re: #169 #FergusonFireside

That revolving door scene? Holy Fuhhhh.

240 teleskiguy  Mar 16, 2015 9:29:21pm

Hey all.

So, following reading one of ggt’s pages this morning, I tweeted some articles about the great success TRAP laws are having.

And I offered a modified favorite quote of mine from George Carlin.

Then I get this.

Oh brother. I sent her six tweets outlining my position. She sends me some study that says emergency contraception doesn’t decrease the number of abortions. I call bullshit. She then asks how I came to my stance on abortion.

I posed the same question to her, how did you become “pro-life”?

I have not heard back from her.

241 teleskiguy  Mar 16, 2015 9:32:44pm

Yeesh! Embed a few tweets and my comment takes up some real estate in the comments section. C’est la vie.

242 Amory Blaine  Mar 16, 2015 9:35:53pm

The conservative movements main goal is to bankrupt the country.

243 teleskiguy  Mar 16, 2015 9:40:20pm

re: #242 Amory Blaine

I would say that coservatives’ long game is the Unites States as a theocracy.

I’ll put this here so I have it in my image library.

244 Lidane  Mar 16, 2015 9:41:14pm

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

One last thing, then I need to go. I mentioned this on the previous thread, but its worth saying again: Tom Cotton did serve in the US Army in both Iraq and Afghanistan, winning the Combat Infantryman Badge and the Bronze Star.

So whatever else he may be, Tom Cotton is not a chickenhawk.

Just because he served doesn’t make him an expert on foreign affairs.

245 teleskiguy  Mar 16, 2015 9:43:14pm

It’s such a double edged sword in U.S. History, invoking a deity. Right now powerful people are invoking a deity in just about everything they do.

Then again, John Brown invoked a deity in his deeds in 1859. And he was right and his cause was righteous.

246 LastYearsMan  Mar 16, 2015 9:44:04pm

re: #244 Lidane

Just because he served doesn’t make him an expert on foreign affairs.

Exactly. Just like being a businessman doesn’t make you an expert on macroeconomics — in fact, I think often knowing the “micro” of how anything works can make understanding the macro harder.

247 prairiefire  Mar 16, 2015 9:44:27pm

re: #245 teleskiguy

And he was a murderer.

248 teleskiguy  Mar 16, 2015 9:46:43pm

re: #247 prairiefire

And he was a murderer.

Like I said, double edged sword.

249 teleskiguy  Mar 16, 2015 9:51:39pm

In my learning of John Brown in primary school, I was taught that he was a madman, a blood-thirsty radical like ISIS today, or something.

He may well have been those things, and he and his sons killed a lot of people who didn’t deserve to die. He was more than that, though. John Brown was executed on 2 Dec. 1859. 16 months later the worst thing that ever happened to the United States started at Ft. Sumter, South Carolina. John Brown lit a fuse, whether he knew it or not.

250 A Cranky One  Mar 16, 2015 9:52:04pm

re: #170 lostlakehiker

Is it arrogance to doubt that the proposed arrangement will work? Or is it arrogance to be so sure it will?

Show me please where I said that the arrangement was sure to work. Otherwise, take your strawman elsewhere. Sanctions haven’t done the job, time to try something different. Some people try to learn from experience you know.

The broad outlines of the proposed deal are emerging. None of us is entirely ignorant.
You seem to think that Russia is opposed to Iran’s becoming a nuclear power. Why?

You seem to think that Russia wouldn’t mind if Iran became a nuclear power. Why? It’s not like they are part of the negotiations to prevent that, right?

And then there’s North Korea. Which right now is already a nuclear power, after decades of the US saying that that would be unacceptable. What does “unacceptable” mean, then? That we are not delighted by the result. It doesn’t even mean that we will not prop up their economy.

Under whose watch did North Korea become a nuclear power? Hint: not Obama

I expect that Iran will have a nuclear arsenal within 15 years. Why can they not replicate the steps North Korea took? Your side will get its way, and who knows where it will lead?

You mean the side that thinks that delaying their program is better than nothing? What have you got that will prevent them from doing so otherwise? Put up or shut up. Delaying their program is the first step in dealing with the issue, who knows what the future will bring?

…
But the rest of us don’t want war. People get killed, and in much bigger numbers sometimes than what our own recent wars have come to. So that’s a good reason to want to avoid war. But say you assume, wrongly, that all I care about is business. Well, war is bad for business. It brings inflation, and higher taxes, and shortages, and it strips skilled manpower out of the workforce and wastes years of their time on the war, and some of them come back disabled or in caskets, which is again bad for business because they were our best, on the whole, and skilled labor is critical to the economy.
d.

Are you truly that naive? Wars are bad for business? Do you have the first clue how much money was made in this country because of the last few wars? Wars cause inflation and higher taxes? Remember George W., who LOWERED taxes during two wars and passed the deficit on to Obama? Are you really that oblivious? You think businesses don’t want war because it takes skilled workers out of the economy? Tell that to all the unemployed veterans. Tell it to me, after my highly skilled job of 23 years got outsourced.

And you still haven’t even acknowledged that the negotiations include all the members of the security council, or provided any path to your goal without their help and support.

You want a solution that you think will guarantee Iran will never get nuclear weapons and claim not to want war but offer nothing but failed policies.

The military-industrial complex would like nothing better than another war. And if you think they care about the human cost then you are just an idiot.

251 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Mar 16, 2015 9:52:29pm

re: #244 Lidane

In all fairness to Dark Falcon, he was responding to someone who said that Senator Cotton should join the Army and serve before he went and advocated war, which is a foolish challenge.

252 prairiefire  Mar 16, 2015 10:00:20pm

re: #249 teleskiguy

He helped to bring about much bloodshed and fear. The stories in my family and others here where I live now of that Civil War time, incredible. We as a nation have lived through terrible times, I wish the lessons where remembered.

253 Jenner7  Mar 16, 2015 10:01:37pm

What the fuck??

254 Amory Blaine  Mar 16, 2015 10:04:13pm

Scott Walker’s budget forcing school districts to trim further

Wisconsin school districts are scrambling to revise their budget estimates after Gov. Scott Walker’s biennial state budget proposed effectively cutting $127 million in education aid next year.

Milwaukee Public Schools is facing a loss of at least $12 million next year as a result of that move, but plenty of well-to-do suburban districts — in areas that are overwhelmingly supportive of the governor politically — are acknowledging gaping budget holes, as well.

The aid removal “definitely compounds the already massive fiscal challenges that Cedarburg and most other districts are already facing for next year,” Cedarburg Superintendent Jonathan Lamberson said. The Ozaukee County district would lose about $430,000 next year if the proposal passes.

The state budget is in the hands of the Legislature’s powerful Joint Finance Committee, and members will be in Milwaukee on Friday to hold a public hearing at Alverno College, starting at 9 a.m. Education advocates and school officials are likely to turn out in large numbers.

255 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 16, 2015 10:04:16pm

Been busy all morning here, and just now catching up to the doings at LGF.

In reading the Daily Caller end run around Chuck not writing about the Bakersfield Affair, I’m surprised that my snarky GotNwes post got the general details right. But I didn’t realize he actually entered the event to gnosh on food and chat up some of the attenders.

I am quite sure he was punk’d with a bogus invitation.

256 teleskiguy  Mar 16, 2015 10:04:21pm

re: #253 Jenner7

Dude is profiting handsomely because he shot an unarmed black teenager - who was on his way into technical school - in the middle of the street in a systemically racist town.

257 A Cranky One  Mar 16, 2015 10:04:40pm

re: #253 Jenner7

Gee, Darren Wilson is obviously such a tiny guy, no wonder he was so afraid and intimidated by Michael Brown./////

258 BeenHereAwhile  Mar 16, 2015 10:09:55pm

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

Stand By Me was originally a novella titled The Body.

And the song ” Stand By Me” is an adaptation by Ben E King, Jerry Leiber, & Mike Stoller, of the 1905 song “Stand By Me Father” by Charles Albert Tindley.

259 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 16, 2015 10:11:56pm

re: #256 teleskiguy

Dude is profiting handsomely because he shot an unarmed black teenager - who was on his way into technical school - in the middle of the street in a systemically racist town.

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Expect a book deal and a tour of the usual RW welfare media outlets.

260 Whack-A-Mole  Mar 16, 2015 10:15:30pm

I really enjoyed Stephen King’s latest novel, Revival. It’s essentially a long form pulp/weird fiction tale in the vein of Lovecraft/Derleth/etc. I liked it quite a bit more than most of his recent releases.

261 teleskiguy  Mar 16, 2015 10:21:59pm
262 Amory Blaine  Mar 16, 2015 10:26:13pm

Factory owner tax cuts cost $275 million more — twice original projections

A measure tucked into Gov. Walker’s 2011 budget that effectively eliminated state income taxes on owners of factories and farms in Wisconsin is costing way more than predicted and contributing mightily to the current budget shortfalls.

The Manufacturing and Agriculture Tax Credit was hailed at the time as a job-creating effort that would let businesses invest the savings in new hires and equipment.

But recent figures from the Legislative Fiscal Bureau show the credit will cost the state at least $275 million in additional lost tax collections over the next biennium, or more than double what was originally estimated.

That’s roughly the amount of the proposed $300 million cut to the UW System.

263 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 16, 2015 10:33:57pm
264 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 16, 2015 10:34:56pm
265 Jenner7  Mar 16, 2015 10:40:08pm

I’m conflicted. If I’m to believe the DOJ report, those saying he had his hands up were not truthful. And that a man who was about to go to college decided, out of nowhere, to assault and officer and reach for the gun. Then after getting shot at, run away, ONLY to turn around and charge at Wilson.

They leave his body to rot for almost 5 hours. Botch evidence. Lie. And present a shitty case to the grand jury. And Mr. Wilson is making money of killing a human being with a big fat smile on his face.

If this was a lie that created the needed attention to the problem, then so be it. Mike Brown’s life mattered, regardless.

266 teleskiguy  Mar 16, 2015 10:41:48pm

re: #263 klys (maker of Silmarils)

re: #264 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Quite the dichotomy there. A verified journalism outlet and some random Twitter dude with less than a hundred followers. Passenger freaked out on cross-country flight vs. It was a hijacking!

267 Targetpractice  Mar 16, 2015 10:42:57pm

re: #265 Jenner7

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I’m conflicted. If I’m to believe the DOJ report, those saying he had his hands up were not truthful. And that a man who was about to go to college decided, out of nowhere, to assault and officer and reach for the gun. Then after getting shot at, run away, ONLY to turn around and charge at Wilson.

They leave his body to rot for almost 5 hours. Botch evidence. Lie. And present a shitty case to the grand jury. And Mr. Wilson is making money of killing a human being with a big fat smile on his face.

If this was a lie that created the needed attention to the problem, then so be it. Mike Brown’s life mattered, regardless.

I view it much like I view the acquittal of George Zimmerman: The case was so botched and the evidence so in question that the only conclusion the DOJ could safely make was that the evidence just didn’t exist to sustain charges against Wilson. His supporters will go forward believing he was exonerated and that his version of events was the absolute truth, but the FPD made sure we’ll never be able to know for sure.

268 BeachDem  Mar 16, 2015 10:43:27pm

Sorry I missed most of the evening, but here’s what happened.

I drove down to Charleston for a party for this guy I know, but don’t even like. In fact, I know he’s a drunk and a cheat, and, at various times, have vowed to expose him to his wife and others, but, hey, I figured it was worth the trip for the food and conversation.

So anyway, I drive down there, kind of guessing where the party was going to be—don’t know why I didn’t look at the invitation, which was in my purse the whole time, but eventually I got to the house, and guess what? The party was YESTERDAY and it wasn’t in Charleston after all—it was about 5 minutes from my house. And technically, I wasn’t even invited.

So I turned around and came home and laughed—oh how I laughed, at how stupid it was to drive all the way to Charleston with the party invitation right there in my purse, and to never even glance at the invitation to see where, when and what the party was all about.

This fictional account of my evening has been brought to you by “upchuck is full of shit.” In fact, I ate a hamburger, watched Love It or List It and read a book. (but the pickles were divine.)

269 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 16, 2015 10:46:24pm

re: #266 teleskiguy

Quite the dichotomy there. A verified journalism outlet and some random Twitter dude with less than a hundred followers. Passenger freaked out on cross-country flight vs. It was a hijacking!

So it was reported on Reddit first, from someone whose dad was on the flight and provided some photos and video. (I haven’t watched the video, I have seen a photo.)

Apparently the guy made a run at the cockpit, per witness accounts. I don’t blame the outlets that do actual journalism for waiting on additional confirmation, however, which is the right decision.

Other parts of Twitter are already attributing this to ISIS.

Unrelated, but the guy looks somewhat like my ex, which is a little discomfiting.

270 A Cranky One  Mar 16, 2015 10:47:06pm

Guess I should pretend to be a responsible adult and get some rest before work tomorrow.

Pleasant dreams lizards!
271 Amory Blaine  Mar 16, 2015 10:49:19pm

re: #268 BeachDem

Heh. It happens. Once, my wife and I went to a wedding in Pleasant Prairie Wisconsin. Except the wedding was in Sun Prairie Wisconsin, 100+ miles in the opposite direction. We got there super late.

272 Amory Blaine  Mar 16, 2015 11:02:17pm

Flying is high stress now and not at all pleasant to me. I used to criss-cross this country by plane alone as a child starting at the age of ten to visit my dad. Flying was so lax back then that I sat in the back of the plane at age 14 and smoked cigarettes unmolested. Round trip. Flying was easy in, easy out.

273 Ace-o-aces  Mar 16, 2015 11:30:03pm

Posting anti-Irish bigotry on St. Patrick’s day. Stay classy Chuck.

274 TedStriker  Mar 16, 2015 11:42:36pm

re: #273 Ace-o-aces

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Posting anti-Irish bigotry on St. Patrick’s day. Stay classy Chuck.

Well, in Chuck’s case, you can’t have “classy” without “ass”…

275 Nyet  Mar 16, 2015 11:50:43pm

re: #265 Jenner7

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I’m conflicted. If I’m to believe the DOJ report, those saying he had his hands up were not truthful. And that a man who was about to go to college decided, out of nowhere, to assault and officer and reach for the gun.

Normally I would agree. But we also know that out of nowhere he decided to steal from the store and physically assault the clerk all the while knowing the cameras were running. All completely irrational. So appeals to college or rationality are not enough to discredit DOJ’s witnesses.

276 freetoken  Mar 17, 2015 12:25:42am

These last couple of iterations of Google Chrome have turned it into a memory hog, ravenously eating RAM like no other.

Now I see tonight yet another set of red bars screaming at me to upgrade Chrome again… I’m sort of dreading it.

277 freetoken  Mar 17, 2015 12:26:20am

MP3 Audio

278 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2015 1:57:08am

re: #267 Targetpractice

I view it much like I view the acquittal of George Zimmerman: The case was so botched and the evidence so in question that the only conclusion the DOJ could safely make was that the evidence just didn’t exist to sustain charges against Wilson. His supporters will go forward believing he was exonerated and that his version of events was the absolute truth, but the FPD made sure we’ll never be able to know for sure.

In both cases, the focus should not have been on the shooting as much as the way in which the respective police departments handled the cases, as you said, in a manner that assured that no charges could be brought against either shooter.

The ensuing Twitter outrage wars did more than enough to distract attention from the real problems.

279 Targetpractice  Mar 17, 2015 2:12:28am

I’ve personally been getting amusement out of the insistence that the DOJ report on the Brown shooting is unassailable proof that Wilson is absolved of all wrong-doing…but the DOJ Ferguson report is a pack of lies that is part of a grand conspiracy against the town for the death of Brown.

280 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2015 2:15:38am

re: #279 Targetpractice

I’ve personally been getting amusement out of the insistence that the DOJ report on the Brown shooting is unassailable proof that Wilson is absolved of all wrong-doing…but the DOJ Ferguson report is a pack of lies that is part of a grand conspiracy against the town for the death of Brown.

If you buy into the spin that the DOJ report is just a bunch of Washington elitist bureaucrats meddling with a local law enforcement agency that is just trying to do its job of protecting the community against dangerous thugs, then that argument makes perfect sense.

And no other arguments are permitted in the RW echo chamber.

281 freetoken  Mar 17, 2015 2:21:10am

So I did the Chrome update. New version working.

I have two tabs open, LGF, and Chrome is using 1.3GB of real memory according to Activity Monitor.

Google - you’re doing programming wrong.

282 Justanotherhuman  Mar 17, 2015 2:36:29am

The sociopathic behavior exhibited by current day Rs would be enough to institutionalize many of us common folk.

If one of us kills another and pleads self-defense or some other, we’re not treated w/kid gloves in most circumstances but given long prison sentences or death.

Try to kill an entire nation with no justification, and you get away with it.

I don’t see any real personal difference in sociopathy in people like Cotton and those like him and the guy who shot 2 cops in Ferguson, except their status in the world and the power they have or don’t.

283 Justanotherhuman  Mar 17, 2015 2:46:27am

“Buddhist nationalism?” Who knew?

Myanmar court finds trio guilty of insulting religion

bbc.com

“A New Zealander and two Burmese men have been found guilty of insulting religion in Myanmar over a poster promoting a drinks event depicting Buddha with headphones.

“Philip Blackwood, who managed the VGastro Bar in Yangon, was arrested in December along with bar owner Tun Thurein and colleague Htut Ko Ko Lwin.

“They have each been sentenced to two and a half years in jail.” More

284 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2015 2:47:24am

re: #283 Justanotherhuman

“Buddhist nationalism?” Who knew?

Myanmar court finds trio guilty of insulting religion

bbc.com

“A New Zealander and two Burmese men have been found guilty of insulting religion in Myanmar over a poster promoting a drinks event depicting Buddha with headphones.

“Philip Blackwood, who managed the VGastro Bar in Yangon, was arrested in December along with bar owner Tun Thurein and colleague Htut Ko Ko Lwin.

“They have each been sentenced to two and a half years in jail.” More

Do not pester the Buddha. There are serious penalties for being a Buddha pest.

285 Justanotherhuman  Mar 17, 2015 2:53:34am

re: #284 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I studied a little Buddhism.

I don’t think The Buddha would approve of how he’s being invoked in order to punish people. : )

It just isn’t zen.

286 Justanotherhuman  Mar 17, 2015 2:57:36am

re: #281 freetoken

Thank goodness I have 6GB of RAM.

287 Targetpractice  Mar 17, 2015 2:57:42am

re: #280 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

If you buy into the spin that the DOJ report is just a bunch of Washington elitist bureaucrats meddling with a local law enforcement agency that is just trying to do its job of protecting the community against dangerous thugs, then that argument makes perfect sense.

And no other arguments are permitted in the RW echo chamber.

Yep, just look how they descended upon a RedStater who had the audacity to suggest that, even if you looked past the racism charge in the DOJ report, there was still a whole lot of noxious shit in the report. To suggest that there is any truth to the DOj report is absolutely heresy, you must believe it to be a total fabrication to be viewed as ideologically pure.

288 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2015 2:57:57am

re: #285 Justanotherhuman

I studied a little Buddhism.

I don’t think The Buddha would approve of how he’s being invoked in order to punish people. : )

It just isn’t zen.

Zat was zen und zis is now.

289 Justanotherhuman  Mar 17, 2015 3:05:34am

re: #288 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Karma would take care of those 3 eventually; seeing the errors of their ways through contemplation of it would have resolved the issue somewhere down the line, so obviously the justice system in Myanmar isn’t very Buddhist. : )

Meanwhile, who knows what effect Cotton and the Rs are having upon these negotiations? It surely has made the US look untrustworthy in some respects.

Senior US official says about Iran talks ‘we have definitely made progress in identifying technical options’ but still have tough issues to address - @Reuters
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290 Justanotherhuman  Mar 17, 2015 3:19:08am

Forensic scientists in Spain believe they have found the bones of Cervantes, his wife and others recorded as buried with him in Madrid’s Convent of the Barefoot Trinitarians - @BBCNews

bbc.com

I think I’ll restrain myself from commenting on windmills.

291 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Mar 17, 2015 3:46:26am

It always surprises me that people think Buddhism, or any religion, is naturally peaceful. Religions are not significantly different from each other in cultural effects, or rather, any religion will interact with the other parts of the culture. So you can have Christianity of a totally pacifistic kind, like the Quakers and Mennonites, and you can have Christianity of the “Fuck your nation, you’re our slaves if you’re not dead” kind. And you can have Buddhism of the simple wooden bowl and enlightenment kind, or of the “Killing people doesn’t really matter in the great wheel of life” kind.

Religion is not separate from culture. It’s just another part of it, no different from any other aspect.

292 Justanotherhuman  Mar 17, 2015 3:49:58am

re: #291 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

However, I would be loath to call Myanmar “fundamentalist” Buddhists.

Meanwhile, who knew Egypt would hold its police more accountable than the US?

Egypt’s public prosecutor said police officer shot, killed woman activist during anniversary of 2011 uprising; officer referred to criminal court - @Reuters
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293 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2015 3:50:02am

re: #291 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

Religion is not separate from culture. It’s just another part of it, no different from any other aspect.

Which all illustrates the sublime, almost divine wisdom of our Founding Fathers in not allowing any established state religion.

294 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 17, 2015 3:50:19am

re: #290 Justanotherhuman

Forensic scientists in Spain believe they have found the bones of Cervantes, his wife and others recorded as buried with him in Madrid’s Convent of the Barefoot Trinitarians - @BBCNews

bbc.com

I think I’ll restrain myself from commenting on windmills.

True story: At university, my independent work was on Cervantes and Don Quijote. I read the book (there were 2 volumes, printed 10 years apart) at least three times — in Spanish, and wrote about how Cervantes and the book influenced European lit. I am very fond of Sr. Cervantes, so I hope his grave gets an appropriate marker.

More true facts: The first book was so popular that several hack writers tried to cash in on its popularity by writing sequels. Cervantes was so disgusted that he wrote the second volume and deliberately had Don Q and Sancho mock the hack sequels in the second novel.

295 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2015 3:55:11am

re: #294 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

More true facts: The first book was so popular that several hack writers tried to cash in on its popularity by writing sequels. Cervantes was so disgusted that he wrote the second volume and deliberately had Don Q and Sancho mock the hack sequels in the second novel.

Did somebody try an all-girl sequel?

296 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 17, 2015 3:56:18am

re: #295 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Did somebody try an all-girl sequel?

Yeah, but they made Xena sane instead of a little crazy, and a lot better at combat.

297 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 17, 2015 4:00:54am

re: #295 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Did somebody try an all-girl sequel?

But the shit really hit the fan when one guy made Quijote a Moor and Sancho an Ashkenazi.

298 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Mar 17, 2015 4:05:15am

re: #294 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

More true facts: The first book was so popular that several hack writers tried to cash in on its popularity by writing sequels. Cervantes was so disgusted that he wrote the second volume and deliberately had Don Q and Sancho mock the hack sequels in the second novel.

Pierre Manard’s version is the best.

299 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 17, 2015 4:12:33am

re: #298 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

Pierre Manard’s version is the best.

Certainly the shortest.

300 Justanotherhuman  Mar 17, 2015 4:14:50am

Good fucking grief. Talk about corruption in DSS…

NC man accused of cuffing boy with dead chicken around his neck, rejects plea deal

wbtw.com

And this witch was a supervisor for Protective Services? Glad they both lost their jobs and hope they’re convicted and do prison time. They have no business being around kids.

Also, notice the dump. How did this get past home visits?

301 Justanotherhuman  Mar 17, 2015 4:23:10am

BBL

302 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2015 4:34:35am

re: #300 Justanotherhuman

NC man accused of cuffing boy with dead chicken around his neck, rejects plea deal

wbtw.com

Suppose he will argue on religious grounds, you know, spare the chicken, spoil the child?

303 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 17, 2015 4:43:02am

re: #179 Jay C

“Obama’s [12] Wars”?

OK, Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya I get - and Syria a “maybe”… BUT: “Egypt”? WTF is the “war” there ? And the African countries: “Uganda”, “Somalia”, “C.A.R”? What do we have by way of actual military assets there outside of some various advisory groups? Yeah, “advisory” assistance can get out of hand sometimes, *cough*Vietnam”cough*, but do these knobs really think whatever we are doing in, say, The Congo, amounts to a “war”? And “Iran”?
- if anything, they are coming in on “our side” in Iraq: not to mention the nuclear talks designed to (hopefully) prevent a war.

That’s the basic problem with wingnut memes: complete bullshit, usually, but they sound convincing, and rarely-if-ever get challenged.

My entire career on Twitter is dedicated to challenging wingnut memes, but they just double down on Teh Stupids & Teh Outright Lies.

304 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 17, 2015 4:51:33am
306 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Mar 17, 2015 5:13:19am

for Republicans, above all else War is a simple business opportunity.

307 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2015 5:16:21am

re: #305 The Mother Of All Pies

If Netanyahu loses

…it will be proven that ACORN had something to do with it.

308 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 17, 2015 5:23:04am

“[W]e alone are growing weaker while every other nation is growing stronger.”
WTFITS?

309 Decatur Deb  Mar 17, 2015 5:26:42am

re: #304 The Mother Of All Pies

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310 Nyet  Mar 17, 2015 5:40:21am

If we boil it down to a catchphrase, Buddhism is what Buddhists do, Islam is what Muslims do and so on. What one does changes with time, from group to group etc. quite independently from the wishes of the originators. Joseph Smith likely wouldn’t have approved of today’s LDS church, the Jews of 500 BCE would have a great trouble recognizing today’s Jews as Jews and Jesus, if he existed, would be pissed off by 99.99% of all Christians in history. It doesn’t diminish the “authenticity” of all these groups in the slightest.

311 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 17, 2015 5:41:55am
312 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2015 5:46:41am

re: #311 The Mother Of All Pies

Fun fact: In Israel, all eligible voters are automatically registered

Ditto here in Germany, because everyone has a registered place of residence. You just go down to the local polling station with you ID (mandatory for all citizens) and they check your name off the list.

So who is in favor of mandatory ID and registered address for all US citizens (and a similar requirement for all legal resident aliens)?

*crickets from the left, tumbleweeds blowing by on the right*

313 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 17, 2015 5:53:32am

re: #312 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Ditto here in Germany, because everyone has a registered place of residence. You just go down to the local polling station with you ID (mandatory for all citizens) and they check your name off the list.

So who is in favor of mandatory ID and registered address for all US citizens (and a similar requirement for all legal resident aliens)?

*crickets from the left, tumbleweeds blowing by on the right*

Wingnuts want Voter ID, but make it extremely difficult for anyone who is not one of their “preferred voters” to obtain.

314 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2015 5:56:29am

re: #313 The Mother Of All Pies

Wingnuts want Voter ID, but make it extremely difficult for anyone who is not one of their “preferred voters” to obtain.

Just bring in your certificate of ownership of more than 40 acres of land…

315 Romantic Heretic  Mar 17, 2015 5:58:49am

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

One last thing, then I need to go. I mentioned this on the previous thread, but its worth saying again: Tom Cotton did serve in the US Army in both Iraq and Afghanistan, winning the Combat Infantryman Badge and the Bronze Star.

So whatever else he may be, Tom Cotton is not a chickenhawk.

I read that wikipedia entry and thought about it. I’m going to do some research later.

Why? Because of this little aphorism from Bill Mauldin. “The surest way to become a pacifist is to join the infantry.”

All the soldiers I’ve known and the large majority of those I’ve read about that have been at the sharp end don’t want war. They know what it’s like. They know it’s a horror. They don’t want war.

Sen. Cotton acts more like a member of the 101st Chairborne than the 101st Airborne.

316 Dr. Matt  Mar 17, 2015 6:00:34am

Tom Cotton is a simpleton and partisan dipshit. End of story.

317 Decatur Deb  Mar 17, 2015 6:02:10am


“I’ve done nothing more than any other college kids,” he told al.com “Because of who I am, it gets blown out of proportion. Since then I’ve got in a closer walk with the Lord. Whatever anyone says about me, it doesn’t bother me. The people who know me and know what’s true can really see what’s going on here and see through critics of my dad.”

—Caleb Moore, after one of the earlier drug arrests.

Maybe ‘Ol Chief Justice Roy can fix this one for you.

al.com

318 Romantic Heretic  Mar 17, 2015 6:03:32am

re: #252 prairiefire

He helped to bring about much bloodshed and fear. The stories in my family and others here where I live now of that Civil War time, incredible. We as a nation have lived through terrible times, I wish the lessons where remembered.

Unfortunately, as a species, we have to have the bad thing happen to us over and over and over before we start to think, “Maybe we shouldn’t do that?”

319 Decatur Deb  Mar 17, 2015 6:04:55am

Whiskey Before Breakfast

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320 WhatEVs  Mar 17, 2015 6:07:39am

re: #315 Romantic Heretic

I read that wikipedia entry and thought about it. I’m going to do some research later.

Why? Because of this little aphorism from Bill Mauldin. “The surest way to become a pacifist is to join the infantry.”

All the soldiers I’ve known and the large majority of those I’ve read about that have been at the sharp end don’t want war. They know what it’s like. They know it’s a horror. They don’t want war.

Sen. Cotton acts more like a member of the 101st Chairborne than the 101st Airborne.

I think, on some level, that you also have people who return from the clusterfuck that is the middle east with the mindset of “Win? What win? We withdrew, gave up, threw in the towel. Look at it? We need to finish it and rid the world of all Muslims. Now.”

And that, IMHO, is Tom Cotton.

I didn’t see the film or read the book but wasn’t the American Sniper mindset that it was good to kill all those people? I thought that was what I heard. I think Cotton has that very mindset.

321 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2015 6:08:10am

re: #319 Decatur Deb

Whiskey Before Breakfast

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322 Romantic Heretic  Mar 17, 2015 6:17:03am

re: #320 WhatEVs

I think, on some level, that you also have people who return from the clusterfuck that is the middle east with the mindset of “Win? What win? We withdrew, gave up, threw in the towel. Look at it? We need to finish it and rid the world of all Muslims. Now.”

And that, IMHO, is Tom Cotton.

I didn’t see the film or read the book but wasn’t the American Sniper mindset that it was good to kill all those people? I thought that was what I heard. I think Cotton has that very mindset.

There are those but in my experience they are very rare. It’s why I distrust that wikipedia entry. As I noted, most members of the Loyal and Benevolent Fraternity of Them What Has Been Shot At never want to go through it again and don’t want others to go through it.

Cotton sounds more like a REMF than a combat man.

323 wrenchwench  Mar 17, 2015 6:20:01am
324 Justanotherhuman  Mar 17, 2015 6:20:23am

Israel: Voter participation at 1400 local time is 36.7%; down from 38.3% in 2013 but up from all previous elections since 1999 - @ChemiSalev
end of alert

325 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2015 6:21:35am

re: #324 Justanotherhuman

Israel: Voter participation at 1400 local time is 36.7%; down from 38.3% in 2013 but up from all previous elections since 1999 - @ChemiSalev
end of alert

Do we measure voter participation based on the share of registered voters or of voting-age citizens overall?

326 Justanotherhuman  Mar 17, 2015 6:22:38am

Things not going too well, Bibi? In Ashkelon today.

327 Decatur Deb  Mar 17, 2015 6:23:37am

re: #325 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Do we measure voter participation based on the share of registered voters or of voting-age citizens overall?

Someone posted above that all eligible Israelis are automatically ‘registered’.
OTOH, 1/6 or so of the population is Arab, who often sit it out tactically.

328 Justanotherhuman  Mar 17, 2015 6:33:03am

Hmm.

Ford announces cloud computing deal with Microsoft to handle wireless software updates - @Automotive_News

autonews.com

329 Dr. Matt  Mar 17, 2015 6:33:44am

If the Likud Party wins and Bibi stays in power, it will be a referendum on Obamacare!

330 Justanotherhuman  Mar 17, 2015 6:36:16am

re: #329 Dr. Matt

And his foreign policies.

331 Archangelus  Mar 17, 2015 6:36:57am

re: #326 Justanotherhuman

Things not going too well, Bibi? In Ashkelon today.

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Translation: bad organizing - no one seeing Netanyahu.

332 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 17, 2015 6:38:42am

re: #328 Justanotherhuman

Hmm.

Ford announces cloud computing deal with Microsoft to handle wireless software updates - @Automotive_News

autonews.com

Found on Road, Downloading
Fix Often, Reboot Daily

333 Targetpractice  Mar 17, 2015 6:38:44am

So, how long before the wingnuts declare a Bibi victory as a “referendum” on the Iran deal?

334 Dr. Matt  Mar 17, 2015 6:39:01am

re: #328 Justanotherhuman

Hmm.

Ford announces cloud computing deal with Microsoft to handle wireless software updates - @Automotive_News

autonews.com

I think the wireless updates is a great idea. I hate having to bring my vehicle to the dealer for software updates or having to download patches myself onto a thumbdrive then transfer over to the car. Whether MS can pull this off, remains to be seen as the best option.

335 Dr. Matt  Mar 17, 2015 6:39:29am

re: #333 Targetpractice

So, how long before the wingnuts declare a Bibi victory as a “referendum” on the Iran deal?

Immediately.

336 Targetpractice  Mar 17, 2015 6:40:23am

Should I find it sad that we’re now talking about software updates for our computers?

337 Justanotherhuman  Mar 17, 2015 6:40:35am

re: #335 Dr. Matt

How long before the polls close? : )

338 wrenchwench  Mar 17, 2015 6:41:48am
339 Targetpractice  Mar 17, 2015 6:42:05am

re: #336 Targetpractice

Should I find it sad that we’re now talking about software updates for our computers?

That should have read cars, dumbass.

/(Need more caffeine)

340 Justanotherhuman  Mar 17, 2015 6:42:14am

Douchebag fraternities, cont.

Penn State fraternity suspended after allegedly taking pictures of women without consent, sharing photos in secret Facebook group - @WJACTV

wjactv.com

341 Eventual Carrion  Mar 17, 2015 6:43:44am

re: #236 Kragar

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342 Archangelus  Mar 17, 2015 6:44:01am

Back from the voting booth, crowds and flyers everywhere along the way. Some photos along the way (will probably make a page later when i return home in the evening)…


Can’t have an election without invoking a dead man looking down from heaven (i kid you not…)

Last one not necessarily my vote, but A vote at the voting booths..
343 Nyet  Mar 17, 2015 6:44:53am

re: #323 wrenchwench

But but but Hagee is Elie Wiesel’s BFF, he can’t be that bad, can he? ///

344 Dr. Matt  Mar 17, 2015 6:45:31am

BTW, what time (EST) should we expect to hear the results from the Israeli elections?

345 Archangelus  Mar 17, 2015 6:46:47am
Livni Poster
Netanyahu’s “Us or Them” poster…
346 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 17, 2015 6:47:06am

re: #344 Dr. Matt

BTW, what time (EST) should we expect to hear the results from the Israeli elections?

Polls close at 22:00 Israeli time, which is 4:00 PM EDT.

347 Dr. Matt  Mar 17, 2015 6:47:43am

re: #346 The Mother Of All Pies

Polls close at 22:00 Israeli time, which is 4:00 PM EDT.

Gracias.

348 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 17, 2015 6:47:53am

I like how the ballot initials for Zionist Union spell TRUTH in Hebrew.

349 wrenchwench  Mar 17, 2015 6:49:30am

re: #340 Justanotherhuman

Douchebag fraternities, cont.

Penn State fraternity suspended after allegedly taking pictures of women without consent, sharing photos in secret Facebook group - @WJACTV

wjactv.com

According to the movie, that’s how Facebook got its start.

350 Eventual Carrion  Mar 17, 2015 6:51:42am

re: #244 Lidane

Just because he served doesn’t make him an expert on foreign affairs.

I worked in a hospital for 16 years, doesn’t that make me a surgeon? No?
Well, I do have some experience in unnecessary sedation (thank you Alice Cooper).

351 wrenchwench  Mar 17, 2015 6:53:10am
352 Justanotherhuman  Mar 17, 2015 6:55:26am

Whut?

Secret Service wants $8 million White House replica for training - @politico
read more on politico.com

353 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2015 6:55:53am

This will end well…

354 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 17, 2015 6:57:27am

re: #353 Backwoods_Sleuth

This will end well…

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WHAT COULD GO WRONG!!! FREE MARKET!!!!!

355 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 17, 2015 6:57:37am

re: #352 Justanotherhuman

There’s probably one or two in some Hollywood backlot, for sale cheap.

356 Justanotherhuman  Mar 17, 2015 6:58:44am

re: #349 wrenchwench

Once a Fakebook, always a Fakebook.

357 Kryptik  Mar 17, 2015 7:00:22am

re: #353 Backwoods_Sleuth

West Virginia has a battered spouse relationship with coal companies and Dow, and generally has gone off the rightward edge since Bush the Lesser, so this doesn’t surprise me in the bit, sadly. It does make me glad that I’m not there any more.

358 Justanotherhuman  Mar 17, 2015 7:02:41am

Fuck you, Rs.

House Republican Budget Overhauls Medicare and Repeals the Health Law

nytimes.com

WASHINGTON — House Republicans on Tuesday unveiled a proposed budget for 2016 that partly privatizes Medicare, turns Medicaid into block grants to the states, repeals the Affordable Care Act and reaches balance in 10 years, challenging Republicans in Congress to make good on their promises to deeply cut federal spending.

“The House proposal leans heavily on the policy prescriptions that Representative Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin outlined when he was budget chairman.

“With the Senate now also in Republican hands, this year’s proposal is more politically salient than in years past, especially for Republican senators facing re-election in Democratic or swing states like Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Illinois and New Hampshire, and for potential Republican presidential candidates.” More

359 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 17, 2015 7:07:15am

So, on checking UpChuck’s website, I find he has outed a girl who he says took video of the beating of a teenage girl and her brother in Indianapolis. Police say the assailant was also a minor.

He did his usual thing of sharing Facebook and other social pages, complete with the screen name of the assailant and the real name of the videographer, and photographs.

My spidey sense tells me this is not quite legal.

360 Justanotherhuman  Mar 17, 2015 7:07:58am

Google says it has been reviewing mobile app submissions prior to publication, is rolling out age-based rating system - @TechCrunch

techcrunch.com

361 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2015 7:08:44am
362 Lidane  Mar 17, 2015 7:12:35am
363 Nyet  Mar 17, 2015 7:13:19am

Israeli youtuber Noy Alooshe makes “political mixes”. Here’s one about Bibi’s speech:

…

364 Lidane  Mar 17, 2015 7:15:41am
365 Drive By Commenter  Mar 17, 2015 7:17:13am

re: #357 Kryptik

West Virginia has a battered spouse relationship with coal companies and Dow, and generally has gone off the rightward edge since Bush the Lesser, so this doesn’t surprise me in the bit, sadly. It does make me glad that I’m not there any more.

Kanawha Valley, which also is known as Cancer Valley, never passes up the opportunity to get more and better industry. In Valleys

And Mountains.

Where’s John Denver when you need him?

366 Eventual Carrion  Mar 17, 2015 7:17:28am

re: #260 Whack-A-Mole

I really enjoyed Stephen King’s latest novel, Revival. It’s essentially a long form pulp/weird fiction tale in the vein of Lovecraft/Derleth/etc. I liked it quite a bit more than most of his recent releases.

One King book I acquired was The Eyes of the Dragon. It was a departure from a “normal” King story line, but I really enjoyed it.

367 Dr. Matt  Mar 17, 2015 7:20:06am

re: #364 Lidane

Netanyahu urges supporters to vote because ‘Arabs are voting in droves’ htz.li

He would be a perfect Republican Presidential kandidate.

368 Eventual Carrion  Mar 17, 2015 7:20:10am

re: #267 Targetpractice

I view it much like I view the acquittal of George Zimmerman: The case was so botched and the evidence so in question that the only conclusion the DOJ could safely make was that the evidence just didn’t exist to sustain charges against Wilson. His supporters will go forward believing he was exonerated and that his version of events was the absolute truth, but the FPD made sure we’ll never be able to know for sure.

But OJ was guilty.

369 Lidane  Mar 17, 2015 7:20:19am

re: #366 Eventual Carrion

One King book I acquired was The Eyes of the Dragon. It was a departure from a “normal” King story line, but I really enjoyed it.

I’ve been meaning to read that for ages, but it’s going to have to wait. I’ve been slogging through all the A Song of Ice and Fire books so that I can finally binge my way through Game of Thrones from start to finish when HBO Now goes live. I’ve been stuck on the third book for a while now.

370 Justanotherhuman  Mar 17, 2015 7:20:27am

Oh, right. Comprised of Republicans, no doubt. No, she only had to turn them over to the State Dept, which she did voluntarily, not some “neutral” party. If that’s the case, have your minions do the same, JB.

House Speaker John Boehner says Hillary Clinton should turn over her personal email server to neutral 3rd party - @Reuters
end of alert

371 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2015 7:21:43am

re: #368 Eventual Carrion

But OJ was guilty.

It is lost on these idiots that a major contributing factor in OJ’s acquittal was the tainted reputation of the LAPD and its inability to present convincing evidence.

372 Justanotherhuman  Mar 17, 2015 7:23:10am

Rachel Maddow brought up an important point last night. Why is Loretta Lynch’s nomination for Atty Gen being held up while Ash Carter was approved without question?

I think we know…

373 Lidane  Mar 17, 2015 7:23:48am

Party of personal responsibility, y’all!

374 Nyet  Mar 17, 2015 7:23:57am

re: #371 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It is lost on these idiots that a major contributing factor in OJ’s acquittal was the tainted reputation of the LAPD and its inability to present convincing evidence.

The evidence was convincing, but the prosecution made some fatal mistakes.

375 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 17, 2015 7:26:10am

re: #369 Lidane

I’ve been meaning to read that for ages, but it’s going to have to wait. I’ve been slogging through all the A Song of Ice and Fire books so that I can finally binge my way through Game of Thrones from start to finish when HBO Now goes live. I’ve been stuck on the third book for a while now.

I started reading the first book, and couldn’t get past the first 100 or so pages, but the TV series really grabbed me. I may go back and read the books now that I have a general idea of the plot’s movement.

I’ve never read George R. R. Martin till the GoT books, but I’ve learned since that he tends to write long.

376 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2015 7:26:48am

re: #374 Nyet

The evidence was convincing, but the prosecution made some fatal mistakes.

And the evidence presented by the LAPD was assailable due to their reputation for being corrupt and bigoted.

377 Decatur Deb  Mar 17, 2015 7:28:41am

re: #358 Justanotherhuman

Fuck you, Rs.

House Republican Budget Overhauls Medicare and Repeals the Health Law

nytimes.com

WASHINGTON — House Republicans on Tuesday unveiled a proposed budget for 2016 that partly privatizes Medicare, turns Medicaid into block grants to the states, repeals the Affordable Care Act and reaches balance in 10 years, challenging Republicans in Congress to make good on their promises to deeply cut federal spending.

“The House proposal leans heavily on the policy prescriptions that Representative Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin outlined when he was budget chairman.

“With the Senate now also in Republican hands, this year’s proposal is more politically salient than in years past, especially for Republican senators facing re-election in Democratic or swing states like Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Illinois and New Hampshire, and for potential Republican presidential candidates.” More

That’s not a budget, that’s a suicide note.

378 Targetpractice  Mar 17, 2015 7:29:02am

re: #358 Justanotherhuman

Fuck you, Rs.

House Republican Budget Overhauls Medicare and Repeals the Health Law

nytimes.com

WASHINGTON — House Republicans on Tuesday unveiled a proposed budget for 2016 that partly privatizes Medicare, turns Medicaid into block grants to the states, repeals the Affordable Care Act and reaches balance in 10 years, challenging Republicans in Congress to make good on their promises to deeply cut federal spending.

“The House proposal leans heavily on the policy prescriptions that Representative Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin outlined when he was budget chairman.

“With the Senate now also in Republican hands, this year’s proposal is more politically salient than in years past, especially for Republican senators facing re-election in Democratic or swing states like Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Illinois and New Hampshire, and for potential Republican presidential candidates.” More

So in other words, it’s a joke that won’t become reality, but that won’t stop Republicans from insisting that it’s “serious.”

379 WhatEVs  Mar 17, 2015 7:29:33am

re: #377 Decatur Deb

That’s not a budget, that’s suicide note.

If only. But the “Get your government hands off my Medicare!” will support them til the cows come home.

380 Lidane  Mar 17, 2015 7:29:50am

re: #375 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I started reading the first book, and couldn’t get past the first 100 or so pages, but the TV series really grabbed me. I may go back and read the books now that I have a general idea of the plot’s movement.

I’ve never read George R. R. Martin till the GoT books, but I’ve learned since that he tends to write long.

The first two books were surprisingly fast reads for me despite their length. The story grabbed me and held on tight.

The third book is called A Storm of Swords. It’s almost 1180 pages on my Kindle. I’ve been stuck at page 146 for a while. I had to put the book down and read other things just to clear my head because it’s so dense. And now with this new job I’ve had to put aside reading for fun until I get the hang of things. I’m hoping that now that I’m getting into a rhythm I’ll be fine.

381 Decatur Deb  Mar 17, 2015 7:31:39am

re: #379 WhatEVs

If only. But the “Get your government hands off my Medicare!” will support them til the cows come home.

I’m talking about the 73% of the electorate that isn’t certifiable.

382 Nyet  Mar 17, 2015 7:33:00am

re: #376 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

And the evidence presented by the LAPD was assailable due to their reputation for being corrupt and bigoted.

Not in general. Only on a case by case basis. They should have stuck to the crime scene evidence. Instead they went with all that bloody stuff, which in turn led to Fuhrman etc.

383 Timothy Watson  Mar 17, 2015 7:36:10am

re: #380 Lidane

The third book is called A Storm of Swords. It’s almost 1180 pages on my Kindle. I’ve been stuck at page 146 for a while. I had to put the book down and read other things just to clear my head because it’s so dense. And now with this new job I’ve had to put aside reading for fun until I get the hang of things. I’m hoping that now that I’m getting into a rhythm I’ll be fine.

I blew threw A Game of Thrones, A Clash of Kings, and A Storm of Swords. A Feast for Crows, on the other hand, took some effort because the way he split the books, a lot of the annoying characters are in that book and it gets pretty tedious reading Cersei’s and Aeron Greyjoy’s inner thoughts for over half a book.

384 Decatur Deb  Mar 17, 2015 7:39:11am

…

Tried to explain it was all for art
But them Swiss cops didn’t have no heart
I got laid on James Joyce’s grave
I’ve never been the same
Lord have mercy on me

385 Lidane  Mar 17, 2015 7:39:46am

re: #383 Timothy Watson

I blew threw A Game of Thrones, A Clash of Kings, and A Storm of Swords. A Feast of Crows, on the other hand, took some effort because the way he split the books, a lot of the annoying characters are in that book and it gets pretty tedious reading Cersei’s and Aeron Greyjoy’s inner thoughts for over half a book.

I’ve gotten to a chapter from Jamie’s POV that takes place early on. I’ll finish the book, but real life intervened and I got overwhelmed and the book had to be set aside.

The characters I really like reading are Tyrion, Jon Snow, and Arya. Especially Tyrion. I’m a fan.

386 WhatEVs  Mar 17, 2015 7:43:17am

re: #381 Decatur Deb

I’m talking about the 73% of the electorate that isn’t certifiable.

The problem with certifiable is that many people believe what they see on tv. Especially older people who grew up with Walter Cronkite and later Peter Jennings…you know, real news people…at a period where lying on a news cast would have been a major scandal.

Now it’s…Meh.

Some of these folks are not certifiable. They are being lied to and eating up the lies.

387 b.d.  Mar 17, 2015 7:45:13am

re: #375 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I started reading the first book, and couldn’t get past the first 100 or so pages, but the TV series really grabbed me. I may go back and read the books now that I have a general idea of the plot’s movement.

I’ve never read George R. R. Martin till the GoT books, but I’ve learned since that he tends to write long.

heh:

388 Justanotherhuman  Mar 17, 2015 7:45:57am

The thing is, Loretta Lynch is a hell of a lot more intelligent that those who are holding up her appt.

Rachel told the story of the young girl who had the highest grades which earned her the valedictorian spot at her HS, but she was only allowed if a white student or two could share the honor. Because race, or something…

theatlantic.com

This country should be ashamed of itself. It’s not 1915. It’s the fucking 21st century, for chrissakes!

And those “progressives” who think Lynch is going to give Wall St everything it wants can go fuck themselves, too.

389 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 17, 2015 7:53:18am

re: #377 Decatur Deb

That’s not a budget, that’s a suicide note.

Thanos paged this stinkbomb. As I commented there, the block grants will come in handy for states whose tax cutting Republican governors have sent their budgets underwater. Those block grants are also a great way to cloak just how many people lose benefits. The vacant eyed granny starver rises again.

390 Justanotherhuman  Mar 17, 2015 7:55:11am

re: #375 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I feel that way about Stephen King. He writes too much, even though it’s written as pulp for the masses.

391 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2015 7:55:18am

re: #388 Justanotherhuman

Rachel told the story of the young girl who had the highest grades which earned her the valedictorian spot at her HS, but she was only allowed if a white student or two could share the honor. Because race, or something…

Just chalk it up to reverse affirmative action, I guess…

392 wrenchwench  Mar 17, 2015 7:56:38am

Google Translate lacks Navajo.

393 Justanotherhuman  Mar 17, 2015 7:56:47am

re: #391 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Well the idea was that it would offend white people to see a lone Black valedictorian. And really, their kids didn’t measure up to her.

That’s racism, pure and simple.

394 Jenner7  Mar 17, 2015 7:58:36am

Great job DeRay. Expose the lies of the police.

395 Kryptik  Mar 17, 2015 7:59:43am

re: #365 Drive By Commenter

I know this all too well, considering how often we made drives from Logan to Charleston., as well as long trips through and past Morgantown.

396 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 17, 2015 8:00:24am

Zedushka’s grandmother was born in Ireland. How did that happen?

The family legend is they couldn’t afford tickets to America so bought halfway tickets, and got thrown off the boat in Ireland when they couldn’t pay the rest of the fare.

At some point she returned to Palestine for an arranged marriage with Zedushka’s grandfather, but the rest of her family stayed in Ireland.

397 #FergusonFireside  Mar 17, 2015 8:00:46am

re: #394 Jenner7

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Great job DeRay. Expose the lies of the police.

Missed this!!! Will have to watch tonight.

398 b.d.  Mar 17, 2015 8:01:57am

The Bibi version of “fraud at polls”?

Netanyahu: ‘Arab voters are coming out in droves’

Read more: politico.com

399 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2015 8:04:14am

re: #393 Justanotherhuman

Well the idea was that it would offend white people to see a lone Black valedictorian. And really, their kids didn’t measure up to her.

That’s racism, pure and simple.

I was just being facetious, but whenever people complain about affirmative action as “reverse racism”, you should cite the example of Loretta Lynch.

400 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2015 8:05:16am

re: #396 The Mother Of All Pies

Zedushka’s grandmother was born in Ireland. How did that happen?

The family legend is they couldn’t afford tickets to America so bought halfway tickets, and got thrown off the boat in Ireland when they couldn’t pay the rest of the fare.

At some point she returned to Palestine for an arranged marriage with Zedushka’s grandfather, but the rest of her family stayed in Ireland.

O’y veh!

401 bratwurst  Mar 17, 2015 8:05:37am
402 wrenchwench  Mar 17, 2015 8:07:00am

re: #396 The Mother Of All Pies

Zedushka’s grandmother was born in Ireland. How did that happen?

The family legend is they couldn’t afford tickets to America so bought halfway tickets, and got thrown off the boat in Ireland when they couldn’t pay the rest of the fare.

At some point she returned to Palestine for an arranged marriage with Zedushka’s grandfather, but the rest of her family stayed in Ireland.

My first ancestor to land in America was from Ireland (1865 or so), he became a farmer in Wisconsin, Through a fluke of his father’s job, my father was born in Detroit.

403 Justanotherhuman  Mar 17, 2015 8:07:16am

No wonder Upchuck moved to Fresno…

404 Dr. Matt  Mar 17, 2015 8:07:50am

re: #364 Lidane

Netanyahu urges supporters to vote because ‘Arabs are voting in droves’ t.co pic.twitter.com
— haaretz.com (@haaretzcom) March 17, 2015

In America, Republicans urge supporters to vote because Blacks are voting in droves.

405 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 17, 2015 8:08:54am

re: #385 Lidane

I’ve gotten to a chapter from Jamie’s POV that takes place early on. I’ll finish the book, but real life intervened and I got overwhelmed and the book had to be set aside.

The characters I really like reading are Tyrion, Jon Snow, and Arya. Especially Tyrion. I’m a fan.

I got half way through book one, threw it across the room and returned it to the library. If I want the war of the Roses with magic, I’ll read Mike Ford’s “The Dragon Waiting” again. Not my taste, shall we just say.

406 Lidane  Mar 17, 2015 8:08:58am
407 Justanotherhuman  Mar 17, 2015 8:11:52am

Well, speed up the process, then.

408 Justanotherhuman  Mar 17, 2015 8:13:23am

BBL.

409 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 17, 2015 8:15:05am

re: #407 Justanotherhuman

Well, speed up the process, then.

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Ah, no. That just makes a bigger mess later on. Due process is best for everyone.

410 No Country For Old Haters  Mar 17, 2015 8:15:30am

re: #386 WhatEVs

The problem with certifiable is that many people believe what they see on tv. Especially older people who grew up with Walter Cronkite and later Peter Jennings…you know, real news people…at a period where lying on a news cast would have been a major scandal.

Now it’s…Meh.

Some of these folks are not certifiable. They are being lied to and eating up the lies.

They literally believe that Fox is “the news.” Of course they’ve been driven insane, and the people who did the driving should be held responsible, but we don’t seem to have any laws against fake-news designed to exploit the elderly and other people who don’t have the skills to see through over-the-top propaganda.

411 ObserverArt  Mar 17, 2015 8:16:29am

Good day everyone.

I’ve never followed the elections in Israel but I am interested in them this time. Do they do projections in their media based on things like exit poll interviews and the like? Or, is it pretty much kept under wraps until all polls are closed and all ballots accounted for?

And as far as the Tom Cotton/Iran comments earlier in this thread…do we have chickenhawks talking tough about defense budgets? And I (like others) still want to know what details of the US State Department negotiations have been released so that people can make legit statements about how bad they are?

412 Romantic Heretic  Mar 17, 2015 8:17:36am

re: #323 wrenchwench

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Had to look that up. It’s inconclusive whether Herr Shicklegruber had Jewish ancestry.

But he was most certainly not a Jew.

413 WhatEVs  Mar 17, 2015 8:19:01am

re: #411 ObserverArt

Good day everyone.

I’ve never followed the elections in Israel but I am interested in them this time. Do they do projections in their media based on things like exit poll interviews and the like? Or, is it pretty much kept under wraps until all polls are closed and all ballots accounted for?

My understanding is that their exit polling sucks big time. Polling in general never seems to be correct there.

414 Romantic Heretic  Mar 17, 2015 8:24:17am

re: #353 Backwoods_Sleuth

This will end well…

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I want a rider to that bill. The people voting aye on it must drink a glass of water from any creek, river, stream, pond or lake contaminated by chemical spills.

415 Eventual Carrion  Mar 17, 2015 8:28:57am

re: #353 Backwoods_Sleuth

This will end well…

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The fish living in that river could probably use a third eye anyway.

416 Timothy Watson  Mar 17, 2015 8:30:23am

re: #412 Romantic Heretic

Had to look that up. It’s inconclusive whether Herr Shicklegruber had Jewish ancestry.

But he was most certainly not a Jew.

Adolf Hitler’s father, Alois, was legitimized after the fact by his alleged father Johann Georg Hiedler. Alois was born five months after Johann married Alois’s mother Maria Anna Schicklgruber.

417 Eventual Carrion  Mar 17, 2015 8:32:37am

re: #362 Lidane

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Oh Tony, go expose yourself to someone else.

418 Eventual Carrion  Mar 17, 2015 8:36:20am

re: #370 Justanotherhuman

Oh, right. Comprised of Republicans, no doubt. No, she only had to turn them over to the State Dept, which she did voluntarily, not some “neutral” party. If that’s the case, have your minions do the same, JB.

House Speaker John Boehner says Hillary Clinton should turn over her personal email server to neutral 3rd party - @Reuters
end of alert

A “neutral 3rd party”, like Edward Snowjob?

419 Dr. Matt  Mar 17, 2015 8:36:55am

re: #362 Lidane

The “terrorist” is holding an AR-15….the preferred weapon of right-wing ammosexuals/2A fetishists:

420 Timothy Watson  Mar 17, 2015 8:38:45am

re: #419 Dr. Matt

The “terrorist” is holding an AR-15….the preferred weapon of right-wing ammosexuals/2A fetishists:

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OBAMA SOLD THEM THE GUNS!!1!

421 Romantic Heretic  Mar 17, 2015 8:39:36am

re: #375 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He got started writing short SF stories, and they were good.

The Way of The Cross and The Dragon was a wonderful piece of work. Sandkings was a deeply disturbing piece about hubris.

I’m not a big fan of gigantic works, especially series of gigantic works like GoT. Maybe it’s because I’m getting old but they just seem so unfocused.

422 Romantic Heretic  Mar 17, 2015 8:40:13am

re: #381 Decatur Deb

I’m talking about the 73% of the electorate that isn’t certifiable.

I’m not certain the percentage is that high.

424 Decatur Deb  Mar 17, 2015 8:42:38am

re: #422 Romantic Heretic

I’m not certain the percentage is that high.

Reciprocal to the mad 27%, pessimist.

425 Dr. Matt  Mar 17, 2015 8:44:14am

Netanyahu warns: The Left is busing Arabs to vote, the Right is in danger

Jebus Fucking Christ on Cracker….he sounds EXACTLY like a Republican (just replace ‘Black’ for ‘Arab’).

426 Lidane  Mar 17, 2015 8:45:31am

I’ve got a dipshit on another site telling me that the Senate needs to be involved in every step of negotiating with Iran because that’s how you build coalitions. I would apparently know this if I understood the importance of comity and relationships in making deals.

Pfft. I understand sales. And negotiations. Anyone who’s ever had to negotiate for anything professionally knows that the fewer players involved in striking a deal the better. I don’t need to waste my time dealing with dozens of people with an opinion if there’s only one guy I need to talk to.

With all the different countries involved in the Iran negotiations, nothing would ever get done if each individual legislator in all those countries was involved or had to be consulted. And nothing would get done if the legislatures had to approve every new step along the way before an agreement was reached. WTF. It’s like these morons have never done business before.

427 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 17, 2015 8:46:30am

re: #353 Backwoods_Sleuth

I spent some weeks in Huntington, WV, on business. Some of my new friends there invited me to go jet skiing on the Ohio with them. We headed down river from Huntington to South Point where the Big Sandy river joins the Ohio because the turbulence there enables some jumping and other stuff. Before we left the dock they advised me to do my best not to fall into the river and if I did fall to not swallow so much as a drop of the water. Seems the Big Sandy was notoriously toxic and it made the already polluted Ohio downright hazardous.
West Virginia is a beautiful state with some fine, good humored people. It’s a shame that the lack of jobs there leads to an anything goes state legislature.

428 ObserverArt  Mar 17, 2015 8:46:30am

That bit about chemical storage containers triggers a comment from me about a failing dam at an old local lake constructed a long time ago. Here is some Wiki info on the lake:

Introduction

Buckeye Lake is a reservoir in Fairfield, Licking, and Perry Counties in the U.S. state of Ohio.[1] It was the first large reservoir built in America and became Ohio’s first state park in 1949. Built near the highest point of elevation between the watersheds of the Scioto and Muskingum Rivers, it was constructed to supply water for the Ohio and Erie Canal system. The village of Buckeye Lake grew up on the shores of the lake.

History

As early as the 1750’s, the area that would become Buckeye Lake was described as a great swamp known as “Buffalo Lick”. The main Indian Trails between the Ohio River and the Miami towns passed by this swamp.[2] Construction of a dike to block the South Fork of the Licking River occurred between 1826 and 1830, to provide a source of water for the Ohio and Erie Canal.[3] When filled in 1830, the lake was known as Licking Summit Reservoir. The canal between Lake Erie and the Ohio River was opened in 1833. In May 1894, the canal having fallen mostly out of use, the lake was repurposed for recreation, the area being dedicated as a public park and renamed “Buckeye Lake”. The railroads that had put the canal out of business now brought summer visitors and a town and resort grew up around the lake.

Anyway, the dam is failing and the US Army Corps of Engineers wants it totally drained and/or the dam rebuilt.

Over the past twenty or so years the area has exploded from a sleepy little village miles from the big city of Columbus to an Upper Class community of big houses crowding the shores. All those new people built their new ‘escape from the city’ homes to be a part of new upscale community and now their scenic lake is in trouble and they don’t like it.

Now there are groups opposed to draining the lake and they want alternatives. I guess they have already installed some kind of a big alarm system to let everyone know the damn is going and to get the hell out of there.

The corps is pretty sure the dam is going to go sometime. Their report was the dam failure was imminent. Sounds pretty official and assured. I guess you could joke it is damming.

So, the point. The lake has always been nice, but I remember some rumbling about the dam many years ago back before the community grew up all rich-like. Now that everyone is invested in property they seem to be willing to risk lives to keep the pretty lake instead of doing the right things so that maybe in the future, they get their lake back.

I guess I see this local story like so many larger national/world events. People are willing to ignore warnings of how bad things are getting so they can hold off the pain, costs and problems of taking the real issues on. And at the same time totally willing to go about it all the wrong way so long as they get what they want now even if it all goes to hell and people are killed and whole areas of a little town and maybe even parts of Interstate 70 get taken out and all need rebuilt.

What that hell is wrong with us? Have we totally lost reality in this country.

A dam. Police departments. Healthcare. International negotiations. Just gloss over the issues don’t upset my pretty little view(s)!

And with that…good day. Time to get busy. I’ll be lurking to catch the news on the elections in Israel and whatever else goes on in this wacky world…now with even more wackiness.

429 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2015 8:50:50am

re: #427 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The Big Sandy is contaminated because of incidents like the Martin County coal slurry spill.

Note that in this particular incident, it was another Massey Energy facility.

430 Decatur Deb  Mar 17, 2015 8:50:59am

re: #427 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I spent some weeks in Huntington, WV, on business. Some of my new friends there invited me to go jet skiing on the Ohio with them. We headed down river from Huntington to South Point where the Big Sandy river joins the Ohio because the turbulence there enables some jumping and other stuff. Before we left the dock they advised me to do my best not to fall into the river and if I did fall to not swallow so much as a drop of the water. Seems the Big Sandy was notoriously toxic and it made the already polluted Ohio downright hazardous.
West Virginia is a beautiful state with some fine, good humored people. It’s a shame that the lack of jobs there leads to an anything goes state legislature.

When last I looked, Nitro WV on the Big Sandy is the only US site manufacturing MIC. That’s the stuff that took out Bhopal.

431 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2015 8:52:09am

re: #430 Decatur Deb

When last I looked, Nitro WV on the Big Sandy is the only US site manufacturing MIC. That’s the stuff that took out Bhopal.

Freedom Industries.

432 Romantic Heretic  Mar 17, 2015 8:54:36am

re: #427 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The second they told me about the toxicity of the water I’d be, “Thanks. Staying on the shore.”

433 Decatur Deb  Mar 17, 2015 8:54:52am

re: #431 Backwoods_Sleuth

Freedom Industries.

Do you get fries with that?

434 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2015 8:56:03am

re: #433 Decatur Deb

Do you get fries with that?

Just dip ‘em in the water, they fry themselves…

435 Decatur Deb  Mar 17, 2015 8:58:18am

re: #434 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Just dip ‘em in the water, they fry themselves…

Grew up in 1940s Pittsburgh. We thought rivers and night skies were supposed to be iron red and copper green.

436 Romantic Heretic  Mar 17, 2015 8:58:51am

re: #428 ObserverArt

What that hell is wrong with us? Have we totally lost reality in this country.

My opinion is that money has become a measure of a person’s value rather than a method of easing economic transactions.

Anything that reduces a person’s money reduces them as a human being. They become less.

Few people are willing to become less.

437 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2015 9:00:38am

re: #435 Decatur Deb

Grew up in 1940s Pittsburgh. We thought rivers and night skies were supposed to be iron red and copper green.

Ditto from growing up in Gary, Indiana in the 60’s.

438 Targetpractice  Mar 17, 2015 9:01:00am

re: #426 Lidane

I’ve got a dipshit on another site telling me that the Senate needs to be involved in every step of negotiating with Iran because that’s how you build coalitions. I would apparently know this if I understood the importance of comity and relationships in making deals.

Pfft. I understand sales. And negotiations. Anyone who’s ever had to negotiate for anything professionally knows that the fewer players involved in striking a deal the better. I don’t need to waste my time dealing with dozens of people with an opinion if there’s only one guy I need to talk to.

With all the different countries involved in the Iran negotiations, nothing would ever get done if each individual legislator in all those countries was involved or had to be consulted. And nothing would get done if the legislatures had to approve every new step along the way before an agreement was reached. WTF. It’s like these morons have never done business before.

Yet I bet, if you ask the same wingnut, he’ll tell you that the reason the President failed to secure a new SOFA with Iraq is because he wanted the Iraqi parliament to sign off on it when all that was necessary was al-Maliki’s approval.

439 Decatur Deb  Mar 17, 2015 9:01:49am

Off to haul another trailer of compost. Did you know that you get free fire ants with Alabama manure?

440 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2015 9:02:26am

re: #436 Romantic Heretic

My opinion is that money has become a measure of a person’s value rather than a method of easing economic transactions.

Anything that reduces a person’s money reduces them as a human being. They become less.

Few people are willing to become less.

We still subscribe to a great extent to Calvinism and the notion that Wealth is an outward sign of inner grace.

Because when I see people like Donald Trump, the Waltons or the Kardashians, all I can think of is “inner grace”.

441 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 17, 2015 9:04:53am

re: #432 Romantic Heretic

The second they told me about the toxicity of the water I’d be, “Thanks. Staying on the shore.”

Ordinarily yes, but those folks were extending their hospitality to me and jet skiing on the Ohio was one of the only things to do there besides getting drunk or eating fried food.

442 Dave In Austin  Mar 17, 2015 9:06:44am

re: #439 Decatur Deb

I get free fire ants just because…. It’s Tuesday.

443 Charles Johnson  Mar 17, 2015 9:07:36am

Daily Caller hack doesn’t like me. I am sad.

444 WhatEVs  Mar 17, 2015 9:09:10am

re: #426 Lidane

I’ve got a dipshit on another site telling me that the Senate needs to be involved in every step of negotiating with Iran because that’s how you build coalitions. I would apparently know this if I understood the importance of comity and relationships in making deals.

Pfft. I understand sales. And negotiations. Anyone who’s ever had to negotiate for anything professionally knows that the fewer players involved in striking a deal the better. I don’t need to waste my time dealing with dozens of people with an opinion if there’s only one guy I need to talk to.

With all the different countries involved in the Iran negotiations, nothing would ever get done if each individual legislator in all those countries was involved or had to be consulted. And nothing would get done if the legislatures had to approve every new step along the way before an agreement was reached. WTF. It’s like these morons have never done business before.

The issue isn’t even as basic as understanding the basics of negotiations. The GOP is actively trying to sabotage anything Obama. From before his inauguration, their sole purpose was to make him fail, to wit:

- Their (at the time) defacto leader Limbaugh explicitly saying he wants Obama to fail

- Elected officials meeting and planning how they could make him a one-term president

I won’t bother with others, but you not only get the picture but have been studying it along with the rest of us.

You cannot negotiate with someone who is not negotiating in good faith. Period. The GOP does not want to negotiate. They want to bomb. They would never allow a democrat to achieve success in negotiations. As well, the GOP knows nothing about negotiation or compromise to even run our freaking country, let alone keeping another country from getting The Bomb.

445 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 17, 2015 9:11:46am

i hear the sinus union is giving bibi a headcold

446 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 17, 2015 9:12:34am

re: #440 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

We still subscribe to a great extent to Calvinism and the notion that Wealth is an outward sign of inner grace.

Because when I see people like Donald Trump, the Waltons or the Kardashians, all I can think of is “inner grace”.

Which, of course, ignores the plain meaning of the Christ in Matthew 19:24 “Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.”

PO’d a person at another site because he couldn’t accept that I was Protestant if I talked of “Calvin’s errors”. Archbishop Cranmer would have been surprised to hear that … ;)

447 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 17, 2015 9:13:17am

re: #437 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Ditto from growing up in Gary in the 60’s.

Still a lot of that if you drive the skyway at night…

448 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 17, 2015 9:14:07am

re: #443 Charles Johnson

Why would I care what a person, a human, calling himself “Little Green Footballs” has to say about me?

you just did

449 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2015 9:17:00am

re: #446 William Barnett-Lewis

Which, of course, ignores the plain meaning of the Christ in Matthew 19:24 “Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.”

PO’d a person at another site because he couldn’t accept that I was Protestant if I talked of “Calvin’s errors”. Archbishop Cranmer would have been surprised to hear that … ;)

Calvinism is all about stuffing that camel through that eye.

450 CuriousLurker  Mar 17, 2015 9:18:06am

Your daily dose of snarling febrile, foaming at the mouth Islamophobia:

donotlink.com

And you thought Geller was as bad as it could get. //

451 RadicalModerate  Mar 17, 2015 9:21:52am

re: #425 Dr. Matt

Netanyahu warns: The Left is busing Arabs to vote, the Right is in danger

Jebus Fucking Christ on Cracker….he sounds EXACTLY like a Republican (just replace ‘Black’ for ‘Arab’).

His latest stunt of trying to hold a live press conference during the closing hours of the election just got blocked by the Central Elections Committee:

haaretz.com

6:10 P.M. Netanyahu press conference banned from airwaves

The Central Elections Committee has issued an injunction against live broadcasting a statement by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu later this evening.

According to the committee’s head, Justice Salim Joubran, the statement qualifies as election propaganda, and is therefore banned. (Haaretz)

452 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2015 9:22:34am

re: #450 CuriousLurker

Your daily dose of snarling febrile, foaming at the mouth Islamophobia:

donotlink.com

And you thought Geller was as bad as it could get. //

Boko Haram = Mainstream Islam

Gotcha.

Now go home.

453 makeitstop  Mar 17, 2015 9:23:28am

re: #445 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i hear the sinus union is giving bibi a headcold

You should change your nic to ‘dog philosopher Litella.’

454 Ace-o-aces  Mar 17, 2015 9:27:27am

re: #451 RadicalModerate

His latest stunt of trying to hold a live press conference during the closing hours of the election just got blocked by the Central Elections Committee:

haaretz.com

Well that doesn’t sound desperate or anything.

455 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2015 9:30:54am

re: #454 Ace-o-aces

Well that doesn’t sound desperate or anything.

He should get Chuck C to investigate the illegal Arab vote…

456 Dr. Matt  Mar 17, 2015 9:30:57am

re: #451 RadicalModerate

His latest stunt of trying to hold a live press conference during the closing hours of the election just got blocked by the Central Elections Committee:

haaretz.com

It appears Bibi knows he’s in bad shape and is desperate.

457 Ace-o-aces  Mar 17, 2015 9:32:57am

re: #401 bratwurst

458 Dr. Matt  Mar 17, 2015 9:35:29am

Is Karl Rove insisting that Netanyahu can still win Ohio?

459 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 17, 2015 9:35:49am

WTFITS==>

460 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2015 9:36:47am

re: #459 The Mother Of All Pies

WTFITS==>

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Wearing orange is an insult on St. Patrick’s Day.

461 Dr. Matt  Mar 17, 2015 9:37:22am

Netanyahu says US money driving high Arab voter turnout

“Voter turnout in the Arab sector is three times higher! The threat is real: Abu Mazen’s calls and American money are getting the Arab vote out. Go and vote,” a message sent by Prime Minister Netanyahu’s Likud party informed Israelis during Election Day.

462 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 17, 2015 9:38:21am
463 Zamb  Mar 17, 2015 9:39:09am

re: #461 Dr. Matt

I wonder if this is a preview of what a GOP President would be like.

464 allegro  Mar 17, 2015 9:40:51am

re: #461 Dr. Matt

Netanyahu says US money driving high Arab voter turnout

Somehow I knew this was Obama’s doing.

///

465 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 17, 2015 9:42:19am

Whereas, The Republicans want to make sure that every rape victim gives birth to the rapist’s baby!

466 Ace-o-aces  Mar 17, 2015 9:42:24am
467 allegro  Mar 17, 2015 9:42:58am

re: #460 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wearing orange is an insult on St. Patrick’s Day.

Looking down at my peach/orange tank top and shorts. Oops.

468 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2015 9:43:33am

re: #459 The Mother Of All Pies

WTFITS==>

I have resisted the urge to wear orange today.

He is a provocative dick who delights in pissing people off.

469 Ace-o-aces  Mar 17, 2015 9:43:49am

re: #467 allegro

Looking down at my peach/orange tank top and shorts. Oops.

If this was the 1980’s, you would be starting a riot.

470 Dr. Matt  Mar 17, 2015 9:44:06am

re: #463 Zamb

I wonder if this is a preview of what a GOP President would be like.

“Preview”?? The GOP have floated conspiracies for decades that Left was busing in and paying blacks to votes. This is just the status quo for conservatism. I’ll give him credit though, at least he’s not hiding his racism whatsoever.

471 Lidane  Mar 17, 2015 9:45:22am

Circular firing squads are awesome:

472 allegro  Mar 17, 2015 9:45:27am

re: #469 Ace-o-aces

If this was the 1980’s, you would be starting a riot.

Seeing my 62 year old bod in shorts and tank top in public, regardless of color, would be plenty alone to get the crowd stampeding in the other direction.

473 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 17, 2015 9:46:08am

re: #468 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

He is a provocative dick who delights in pissing people off.

Sorry he doesn’t win the anti-Irish Tweet of the Day. Chucky C already won that==>

474 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2015 9:46:55am

re: #473 The Mother Of All Pies

Sorry he doesn’t win the anti-Irish Tweet of the Day. Chucky C already won that==>

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The Vikings would kick his lame ass so hard.

475 b_sharp  Mar 17, 2015 9:47:56am

re: #472 allegro

Seeing my 62 year old bod in shorts and tank top in public, regardless of color, would be plenty alone to get the crowd stampeding in the other direction.

Let us be the judge of that.

Pics, please.

476 CuriousLurker  Mar 17, 2015 9:48:37am

re: #454 Ace-o-aces

Well that doesn’t sound desperate or anything.

Did you see the “keys to heaven” thing? Sounds weirdly familiar.

4:39 P.M. Shas slams injunction against its ‘key to heaven’

Shas responded to the Central Elections Committee’s injunction against its flyers promising those who vote for the party a “key to heaven.”

“Prayers, mezuzot, and talismans are an inseparable part of the tradition of the majority of citizens. We’re proud of our tradition, enough with the silencing and incitement!” Shas said in a statement. (Haaretz)

haaretz.com

So if you don’t vote for them then what? Do you not go to heaven?

477 Lidane  Mar 17, 2015 9:49:09am

re: #461 Dr. Matt

Netanyahu says US money driving high Arab voter turnout

478 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 17, 2015 9:49:48am

re: #476 CuriousLurker

Did you see the “keys to heaven” thing? Sounds weirdly familiar.

So if you don’t vote for them then what? Do you not go to heaven?

LOL those “keys” don’t even protect Shas grifters from going to jail.

479 Ace-o-aces  Mar 17, 2015 9:50:15am

re: #474 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Vikings would kick his lame ass so hard.

Vikings, like most medieval societies, were divided into rigid castes. Of course, Chucky assumes his ancestors were on top. Statistically speaking , they were most likely slaves themselves.
Also, I thought CCJ was Catholic. Why is he defending the old pagans?

480 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 17, 2015 9:50:24am

re: #459 The Mother Of All Pies

WTFITS==>

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Probably knows someone would introduce him to a Louisville Slugger.

481 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2015 9:50:29am

re: #474 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Vikings would kick his lame ass so hard.

and steal his hot wife

482 Ace-o-aces  Mar 17, 2015 9:51:24am

I don’t even….

483 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 17, 2015 9:51:25am

re: #467 allegro

Looking down at my peach/orange tank top and shorts. Oops.

Accident is one thing; intentional is a very vile insult that would cause serious violence in some places.

484 Iwouldprefernotto  Mar 17, 2015 9:51:30am

re: #481 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

and steal his hot wife

The blow up doll?

485 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2015 9:51:33am

re: #479 Ace-o-aces

Vikings, like most medieval societies, were divided into rigid castes. Of course, Chucky assumes his ancestors were on top. Statistically speaking , they were most likely slaves themselves.
Also, I thought CCJ was Catholic. Why is he defending the old pagans?

Because he’s an idiot.

486 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 17, 2015 9:51:45am

re: #482 Ace-o-aces

I don’t even….

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You are so hate-retweeted now.

487 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2015 9:52:13am

This makes me very sad:

488 CuriousLurker  Mar 17, 2015 9:52:18am

re: #474 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Vikings would kick his lame ass so hard.

Johnson is such a Scandinavian surname. I guess that’s his way of shouting out to the white supremacists as they seem enamored of the Viking/Odin thing.

489 Lidane  Mar 17, 2015 9:52:20am

That sound you hear is Roy Moore having an aneurysm:

490 Lidane  Mar 17, 2015 9:52:44am

re: #487 Backwoods_Sleuth

Assholes. I hope that dog gets a loving home.

491 Lidane  Mar 17, 2015 9:53:59am

Nope. No hyperbole here:

492 b_sharp  Mar 17, 2015 9:54:20am

re: #488 CuriousLurker

Johnson is such a Scandinavian surname. I guess that’s his way of shouting out to the white supremacists as they seem enamored of the Viking/Odin thing.

That’s my oldest grandkid’s last name.

493 allegro  Mar 17, 2015 9:56:06am

re: #483 William Barnett-Lewis

Accident is one thing; intentional is a very vile insult that would cause serious violence in some places.

I well know. My paternal family is Boston Irish.

494 jaunte  Mar 17, 2015 9:56:53am

re: #488 CuriousLurker

Johnson is such a Scandinavian surname. I guess that’s his way of shouting out to the white supremacists as they seem enamored of the Viking/Odin thing.

They all love the Odin thing until it comes to sacrificing an eye.

495 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 17, 2015 9:57:21am

HERE IS TODAY’S FIRST MOST STUPID GUN-FUCKING MEME OF THE DAY==>

Dear gun-fucking neo-Confederate dipshit, the reason POTUS has Secret Service is to PROTECT HIM FROM MANIACS LIKE YOU!

496 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2015 9:58:35am

re: #495 The Mother Of All Pies

HERE IS TODAY’S FIRST MOST STUPID GUN-FUCKING MEME OF THE DAY==>

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Dear gun-fucking neo-Confederate dipshit, the reason POTUS has Secret Service is to PROTECT HIM FROM MANIACS LIKE YOU!

And you probably voted to cut taxes to support your local police force…

497 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 17, 2015 10:00:18am

I have driven through w.va. numerous times over the past few years, and stayed in state a few times, and I can say without reservation that the human race has raped a beautiful land there.

(I use the R word without reservation, because fuck those corporate bastards)

498 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 17, 2015 10:00:49am

re: #496 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

And you probably voted to cut taxes to support your local police force…

HURR HURR WHEN SECONDS COUNT TEH POLICE IS MINUTES AWAY!!!!

HURR HURR I CARRY A GUN CAUSE A POLICEMAN IS TOO HEAVY!!!!!!

To a wingnut, police are only useful for shooting “thugs” who shoplift.

499 allegro  Mar 17, 2015 10:00:56am

re: #487 Backwoods_Sleuth

This makes me very sad:

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Grrrrr… it makes me more than sad. Hearing about the abuse or abandonment of kids and critters makes me see red.

500 b_sharp  Mar 17, 2015 10:02:02am

I’m seasoning some cast iron skillets and the house is filling up with smoke. I hope the fuck the alarms don’t go off, they will give our one remaining cat a heart attack.

501 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 17, 2015 10:02:31am

re: #500 b_sharp

I’m seasoning some cast iron skillets and the house is filling up with smoke. I hope the fuck the alarms don’t go off, they will give our one remaining cat a heart attack.

Your house has no windows?

502 Ace-o-aces  Mar 17, 2015 10:03:55am

re: #495 The Mother Of All Pies

HERE IS TODAY’S FIRST MOST STUPID GUN-FUCKING MEME OF THE DAY==>

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Dear gun-fucking neo-Confederate dipshit, the reason POTUS has Secret Service is to PROTECT HIM FROM MANIACS LIKE YOU!

I remember reading on a pro-gun website, just how impractical that type of gun is for self-defense.

503 b_sharp  Mar 17, 2015 10:04:32am

re: #501 The Mother Of All Pies

Your house has no windows?

Got them cracked, and the fans, and the doors.

It is only -2C here right now, so I’m also letting the cold in.

504 CuriousLurker  Mar 17, 2015 10:04:41am

re: #494 jaunte

They all love the Odin thing until it comes to sacrificing an eye.

LOL, indeed. He’s not doing too well with the Nine Noble Virtues either:

1. Courage
2. Truth
3. Honour
4. Fidelity
5. Discipline
6. Hospitality
7. Self Reliance
8. Industriousness
9. Perseverance

en.wikipedia.org

505 allegro  Mar 17, 2015 10:07:07am

re: #504 CuriousLurker

LOL, indeed. He’s not doing too well with the Nine Noble Virtues either:

I dunno, he seems to be doing pretty well at #9, persevering at asshole behavior day after day after…

506 Dr. Matt  Mar 17, 2015 10:07:27am

re: #479 Ace-o-aces

Vikings, like most medieval societies, were divided into rigid castes. Of course, Chucky assumes his ancestors were on top. Statistically speaking , they were most likely slaves themselves.
Also, I thought CCJ was Catholic. Why is he defending the old pagans?

CCJ would have been the piss boy.

…

507 CuriousLurker  Mar 17, 2015 10:10:17am

re: #505 allegro

I dunno, he seems to be doing pretty well at #9, persevering at asshole behavior day after day after…

LOL, I was thinking the same thing. He totally fails on at least half of them though.

508 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 17, 2015 10:15:16am

TCOT is all umgebroyzelt over the Israeli elections, they think ACORN is busing in Arab voters.

509 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 17, 2015 10:16:03am
510 CuriousLurker  Mar 17, 2015 10:17:07am

Desperate man is desperate—throws tantrum, points fingers:

6:50 P.M. Netanyahu slams election panel decision to bar his address from the airwaves

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said “no one will shut our mouth,” after the Central Election Committee barred the media from airing his address, deeming it “illegal election propaganda.”

“All day politicians have been talking in the media. Tzipi, Bougi, and Yair Lapid, talked in every possible TV studio and issued obvious campaign propaganda. The only one barred from talking over the media - is me. The Likud prime minister,” Netanyahu said in a Facebook post.

It should be noted that Netanyahu appeared earlier on Tuesday on a Channel 10 talk show.

In his statement, posted on his Facebook page, Netanyahu called on his supporters to vote, saying the margin between Likud and the Zionist Union is due to “foreign funds” funneled to “leftist groups.” (Haaretz)

haaretz.com

Drama Llama
511 CuriousLurker  Mar 17, 2015 10:17:52am

re: #508 The Mother Of All Pies

TCOT is all umgebroyzelt over the Israeli elections, they think ACORN is busing in Arab voters.

LOL

re: #509 The Mother Of All Pies

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Ugh.

512 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 17, 2015 10:18:37am

re: #511 CuriousLurker

LOL

Ugh.

#509 is snark.

513 CuriousLurker  Mar 17, 2015 10:19:34am

re: #512 The Mother Of All Pies

#509 is snark.

Ah, okay.

514 CuriousLurker  Mar 17, 2015 10:21:01am

re: #513 CuriousLurker

Ah, okay.

It’s getting harder & harder to tell these days. Getting back to work now.

Later, lizards.

515 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 17, 2015 10:21:10am

Tell this wingnut meme-maker how much he is really getting in “government handouts”

516 Decatur Deb  Mar 17, 2015 10:22:07am

re: #503 b_sharp

Got them cracked, and the fans, and the doors.

It is only -2C here right now, so I’m also letting the cold in.

Do you know why they call it ‘seasoning’? BECAUSE YOU CHECK THE SEASON FIRST.

(Sam Kineson capitalization)

517 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 17, 2015 10:22:40am

Wow that guy’s timeline is so full of Derp.

518 b_sharp  Mar 17, 2015 10:22:48am

re: #516 Decatur Deb

Do you know why they call it ‘seasoning’? BECAUSE YOU CHECK THE SEASON FIRST.

(Sam Kineson capitalization)

But it’s sunny outside.

519 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2015 10:23:11am

Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback (R) suggested over the weekend that preventing women from having abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy was part of his state’s recipe for economic growth.

On Friday’s Washington Watch broadcast, Family Research Council President Tony Perkins ignored the economic disaster in Kansas, and praised Brownback for showing “Washington a thing or two” about improving the economy.

“It’s working,” Brownback agreed. “What we want Kansas to be is the best place in America to do two things: raise a family, grow a small business.”

“And we are moving that way,” he continued. “I’ve signed 10 pro-life bills, there’s another one moving through the legislature on ending dismemberment abortions, where you actually dismember the child to abort it. It’s passed the state Senate, it’s going to pass the House, and I’m going to sign it.”

Brownback said that he had also taken “all small business taxes off of small business income, and that’s seen a record number of small business filings, tax filers coming into the state of Kansas, job creation.”

520 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2015 10:23:39am

re: #515 The Mother Of All Pies

Tell this wingnut meme-maker how much he is really getting in “government handouts”

oh fer f*s sake. I assume your parents sent you to a private school and that you do not use public roads or transportation to get to work, either.

521 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 17, 2015 10:25:43am

re: #519 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Tell how those tax cuts are working out for ya, Gov. Brownback.

522 No Country For Old Haters  Mar 17, 2015 10:27:45am

re: #519 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback (R) suggested over the weekend that preventing women from having abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy was part of his state’s recipe for economic growth.

More people in poverty means more cheap, uneducated workers are available to work in sweatshops. Economic growth, Republican style!

523 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 17, 2015 10:28:34am

re: #519 Backwoods_Sleuth


I’m going to wear the fuck out of this gif.
524 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2015 10:30:00am
525 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 17, 2015 10:30:22am

re: #489 Lidane

That sound you hear is Roy Moore having an aneurysm:

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Judicial dick measuring contests are always good occasions for popcorn (and yes, I know the federal judge is a woman).

526 BeenHereAwhile  Mar 17, 2015 10:30:26am

re: #315 Romantic Heretic

I read that wikipedia entry and thought about it. I’m going to do some research later.

Why? Because of this little aphorism from Bill Mauldin. “The surest way to become a pacifist is to join the infantry.”

All the soldiers I’ve known and the large majority of those I’ve read about that have been at the sharp end don’t want war. They know what it’s like. They know it’s a horror. They don’t want war.

Sen. Cotton acts more like a member of the 101st Chairborne than the 101st Airborne.

Tom Cotton is the Curtis Lemay of our time.

527 WhatEVs  Mar 17, 2015 10:33:32am

re: #510 CuriousLurker

Can I borrow a few updings for the Drama Llama gif?

528 Patricia Kayden  Mar 17, 2015 10:33:59am

re: #487 Backwoods_Sleuth

This makes me very sad:

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That is sad. Why not just drop the dog off at the nearest Humane Society? Sigh.

529 WhatEVs  Mar 17, 2015 10:34:31am

re: #512 The Mother Of All Pies

#509 is snark.

When one must pause over the content of a tweet to discern whether it is snark or not…the pols have painted themselves in a pretty bad light.

530 Ace-o-aces  Mar 17, 2015 10:35:11am

For an organization that hasn’t existed for 6 years, ACORN sure has a strong international reach,

531 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 17, 2015 10:36:19am

re: #530 Ace-o-aces

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For an organization that hasn’t existed for 6 years, ACORN sure has a strong international reach,

So much stupids.

532 WhatEVs  Mar 17, 2015 10:37:02am

re: #531 The Mother Of All Pies

So much stupids.

That these mental midgets fully believe.

533 makeitstop  Mar 17, 2015 10:40:28am

Man, Bibi’s really sounds desperate. Could he actually lose this thing?

534 b.d.  Mar 17, 2015 10:40:49am

re: #530 Ace-o-aces

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For an organization that hasn’t existed for 6 years, ACORN sure has a strong international reach,

Okeefe really needs to go to the Holy Land and bust up that Israeli ACORN. I can’t wait to see what his disguise is going to be.

//

535 Targetpractice  Mar 17, 2015 10:41:48am

re: #533 makeitstop

Man, Bibi’s really sounds desperate. Could he actually lose this thing?

Word was that Likud’s internal polls were worse than the public ones, and the public polls were already trending south.

536 makeitstop  Mar 17, 2015 10:41:50am

re: #519 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m really starting to fear for the future.

537 b.d.  Mar 17, 2015 10:42:38am

re: #533 makeitstop

Man, Bibi’s really sounds desperate. Could he actually lose this thing?

He’s been throwing a temper tantrum for so long now it’s hard to tell when he really is freaking out but I think that he is really freaking out, somebody should delete the phone number to the airforce off of his phone ASAP.

538 WhatEVs  Mar 17, 2015 10:44:13am
539 Targetpractice  Mar 17, 2015 10:45:45am

re: #538 WhatEVs

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This only comes as a surprise to children and the very dense.

540 Decatur Deb  Mar 17, 2015 10:46:13am

re: #533 makeitstop

Man, Bibi’s really sounds desperate. Could he actually lose this thing?

He’s running against the grandson of the “Sinn Fein Rabbi” on St. Patrick’s Day.

haaretz.com

541 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 17, 2015 10:49:03am
542 Decatur Deb  Mar 17, 2015 10:50:48am

re: #541 The Mother Of All Pies

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The best St Patrick’s party I ever threw was in Ra’anana, complete with a Hebrew-English limerick contest.

543 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 17, 2015 10:53:44am

re: #526 BeenHereAwhile

Tom Cotton is the Curtis Lemay of our time.

Not sure that’s entirely fair to Lemay; while a far right nut case of the first water, he was far more intelligent & better educated than the gentleman from Arkansas.

544 Lidane  Mar 17, 2015 10:55:17am

re: #538 WhatEVs

Was the US ever an actual democracy? I thought we were founded as a constitutional republic.

545 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2015 10:57:36am

re: #544 Lidane

Was the US ever an actual democracy? I thought we were founded as a constitutional republic.

In the sense of a nation where the government represents the will of the electorate.

546 #FergusonFireside  Mar 17, 2015 10:58:19am

re: #541 The Mother Of All Pies

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And he is still with us!

547 Lidane  Mar 17, 2015 10:58:37am

HUZZAH! I am a genius. I have found a way to take the monstrous, 28 page behemoth of a report that I’ve had to do every day and Ginsu that shit down to 7 pages.

If I can get my boss to agree to this new template I will be thrilled.

548 Eventual Carrion  Mar 17, 2015 10:59:17am

re: #534 b.d.

Okeefe really needs to go to the Holy Land and bust up that Israeli ACORN. I can’t wait to see what his disguise is going to be.

//

He should go dressed a bin Laden.

549 b_sharp  Mar 17, 2015 10:59:55am

re: #544 Lidane

Was the US ever an actual democracy? I thought we were founded as a constitutional republic.

I had no idea they were mutually exclusive.

550 Decatur Deb  Mar 17, 2015 11:00:08am

re: #547 Lidane

HUZZAH! I am a genius. I have found a way to take the monstrous, 28 page behemoth of a report that I’ve had to do every day and Ginsu that shit down to 7 pages.

If I can get my boss to agree to this new template I will be thrilled.

Can you show him how it makes his life better, richer, and sweeter?

551 Ace-o-aces  Mar 17, 2015 11:00:52am

It just gets so nonsensical when teabaggers try applying US political memes to Israel,

552 Lidane  Mar 17, 2015 11:02:47am

re: #549 b_sharp

I had no idea they were mutually exclusive.

I thought they were in the sense that a democracy each citizen has an equal vote and in a republic you elect people to speak for you?

I wasn’t a gubmint major and it shows. I’m spitballing here.

553 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2015 11:04:07am

re: #551 Ace-o-aces

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It just gets so nonsensical when teabaggers try applying US political memes to Israel,

And gays openly serving in the military!

554 Ace-o-aces  Mar 17, 2015 11:04:14am
555 A Cranky One  Mar 17, 2015 11:04:19am

re: #548 Eventual Carrion

He should go dressed a bin Laden.

My first thought as well. And try the sneaking over the border trick he did when last he wore his bin Laden outfit, but this time with the Israeli border. ///

556 #FergusonFireside  Mar 17, 2015 11:04:21am

re: #548 Eventual Carrion

He should go dressed a bin Laden.

What was the bombshell he dropped where he feared for his life? I missed it.

557 Lidane  Mar 17, 2015 11:04:31am

re: #550 Decatur Deb

Can you show him how it makes his life better, richer, and sweeter?

I worked all his edits into my template and then narrowed everything down to just active ad campaigns instead of every goddamn thing that’s been run from the start.

If he can’t see how 28 pages going down to 7 makes all our lives easier, I’d be amazed.

558 CuriousLurker  Mar 17, 2015 11:04:56am

OT Drive-by - Live TV coverage of Israeli elections in English: mediaite.com

559 Ace-o-aces  Mar 17, 2015 11:05:06am

re: #553 Backwoods_Sleuth

And gays openly serving in the military!

Jews controlling the media! ….oh wait.

560 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2015 11:05:33am

LOL!

561 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 17, 2015 11:05:41am

re: #558 CuriousLurker

OT Drive-by - Live TV coverage of Israeli elections in English: mediaite.com

Polls close in 2 hours!

562 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 17, 2015 11:06:15am

Ben Shapiro being a stupid asshole, because it is a day ending in “day”

563 Iwouldprefernotto  Mar 17, 2015 11:06:29am

re: #559 Ace-o-aces

re: #559 Ace-o-aces

Jews controlling the media! ….oh wait.

and the banks

564 Ace-o-aces  Mar 17, 2015 11:07:21am
565 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 17, 2015 11:07:47am

re: #563 Iwouldprefernotto

and the banks

And the auto companies!

(Srsly Henry is spinning in his grave)

566 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2015 11:08:11am

re: #551 Ace-o-aces

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It just gets so nonsensical when teabaggers try applying US political memes to Israel,

This is not about Israel or Bibi. It is about the Ideal Israel, the one that the Fundamentalists need to precipitate Armageddon and bring about the End Times.

Bibi stands for that pre-apocalyptic Israel, and they are afraid that if he loses, then they have lost their chance to see the Messiah return in their lifetimes.

Yes, it is that fucking weird and stupid.

567 b_sharp  Mar 17, 2015 11:09:00am

re: #566 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

This is not about Israel or Bibi. It is about the Ideal Israel, the one that the Fundamentalists need to precipitate Armageddon and bring about the End Times.

Bibi stands for that pre-apocalyptic Israel, and they are afraid that if he loses, then they have lost their chance to see the Messiah return in their lifetimes.

Yes, it is that fucking weird and stupid.

Please tell me that’s not a common idea of lawmakers.

568 Lidane  Mar 17, 2015 11:09:15am
569 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 17, 2015 11:10:19am
570 Decatur Deb  Mar 17, 2015 11:10:35am

re: #567 b_sharp

Please tell me that’s not a common idea of lawmakers.

What range of values defines “common”?

571 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2015 11:10:53am

re: #567 b_sharp

Please tell me that’s not a common idea of lawmakers.

None of those guys really gives a shit about Israel or the Jews, it is all about fulfilling the Prophecies of the Second Coming.

572 b_sharp  Mar 17, 2015 11:11:59am

re: #570 Decatur Deb

What range of values defines “common”?

More than 25%.

573 #FergusonFireside  Mar 17, 2015 11:12:11am

re: #568 Lidane

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The house. It’s all about selling the house for more than it’s worth.

See: Cunningham, Duke.

574 Decatur Deb  Mar 17, 2015 11:12:30am

re: #571 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

None of those guys really gives a shit about Israel or the Jews, it is all about fulfilling the Prophecies of the End Times.

For the others it’s about fulfilling Limbaugh’s prophecy of the End Obama.

575 Decatur Deb  Mar 17, 2015 11:13:27am

re: #572 b_sharp

More than 25%.

Doubt that more than a few believe it. The others just say it.

576 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 17, 2015 11:13:47am

re: #574 Decatur Deb

For the others it’s about fulfilling Limbaugh’s prophecy of the End Obama.

Heck, we haven’t even reached Peak Obama…

577 FemNaziBitch  Mar 17, 2015 11:16:28am
578 Eventual Carrion  Mar 17, 2015 11:18:10am

re: #556 #FergusonFireside

What was the bombshell he dropped where he feared for his life? I missed it.

I don’t even remember off hand. He was going to reveal something that would make him fear for his life. Maybe he was going to reveal that he is an abortion doctor and some right wing nut would shoot him.

579 Eventual Carrion  Mar 17, 2015 11:20:45am

re: #568 Lidane

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Well I’m schocked.

580 WhatEVs  Mar 17, 2015 11:25:30am

re: #568 Lidane

BREAKING: Illinois Rep. Aaron Schock is resigning his seat in Congress

But..but…but…he’s a rising star!

581 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 17, 2015 11:42:39am

re: #543 William Barnett-Lewis

Not sure that’s entirely fair to Lemay; while a far right nut case of the first water, he was far more intelligent & better educated than the gentleman from Arkansas.

Yeah. While I hate Lemay more than anybody who’s ever worn an American uniform other than Douglas MacArthur, he was supremely competent at what he did, and while he bragged that he could launch a first strike on his own, the fact is he didn’t. Would any of the current nutjobs be so restrained in the same position?


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