The James O’Keefe Scandal Gets Worse: Ex-Staffer Says He Crossed a Line With Vile ‘Kill Cops’ Stunt

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I have to confess that I’m totally unsurprised by the latest news on James O’Keefe’s creepy subterfuge: Ex-Staffer Slams James O’Keefe: He Crossed a Line With Vile ‘Kill Cops’ Stunt.

Richard Valdes, the former director of special operations for O’Keefe’s organization Project Veritas, told TPM on Thursday that the guerrilla filmmaker wanted an undercover operative to infiltrate a rally held by the Rev. Al Sharpton’s National Action Network in mid-January. At the time, Black Lives Matter demonstrators were still taking to the streets of New York City to protest a grand jury’s decision not to indict an NYPD officer in the chokehold death of Eric Garner.

Valdes said O’Keefe dictated a script to him and then told him to email it to the operative for use at the rally. Here’s the full text of that script, according to emails provided to TPM by Valdes’ attorney:

As a minority and a Muslim, I know what it’s like when the police treat me unfairly. They have even searched my little daughter’s body. Can you believe that? Do you know what it’s like to have your rights violated because of the color of your skin or because of your name? -PAUSE-

Sometimes, I wish I could just kill some of these cops. Don’t you just wish we could have one of the cops right here in the middle of our group? -PAUSE-

What would you do if we could get Officer Pantoleo (who killed Eric Garner) right here in this crowd? What would you do to him?

In a Jan. 9 email addressed to Valdes, O’Keefe, and other top Project Veritas employees, the undercover operative, Mohammed Alhomsi, apparently declined to carry out the assignment. The email cited both legal concerns and concerns about the language of the script in turning down the project. That email was among those provided to TPM by Valdes’s attorney.

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432 comments
1 TedStriker  Mar 20, 2015 7:27:51pm
Ex-Staffer Says He Crossed a Line With Vile ‘Kill Cops’ Stunt

I think that falls under the heading of “no shit, Sherlock!”

2 Kragar  Mar 20, 2015 7:28:20pm

Has the O’Keefe camp claimed it was satire yet?

3 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 20, 2015 7:33:12pm

There are times I really laugh at the fear that some people choose to live with on a daily basis.

Up until the point where they choose to vote or legislate based on that.

4 #FergusonFireside  Mar 20, 2015 7:37:34pm

There is a racist, down home, keep it all status racist quo group of People - All Republicans - who are trying to sabotage the reality that has been exposed by twitter.

Fuck you. You will never beat it.

5 jaunte  Mar 20, 2015 7:39:20pm

re: #2 Kragar

Has the O’Keefe camp claimed it was satire yet?

They’re talking to people who believe Obama tried to nuke Charleston, so they probably don’t feel the need.

6 jaunte  Mar 20, 2015 7:41:03pm
“…Prior to joining Project Veritas in early 2014, Valdes worked in community outreach and marketing for New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie’s (R) administration and as a political writer for The Washington Times, according to his LinkedIn page.”
talkingpointsmemo.com
7 Drive By Commenter  Mar 20, 2015 7:41:22pm

James O’Keefe. Isn’t that an euphemism for “open running sore in genital area”?

8 Lumberhead  Mar 20, 2015 7:43:19pm

Whoever wrote that script has no idea of how humans actually talk.

9 jaunte  Mar 20, 2015 7:44:05pm
Sometimes, I wish I could just kill some of these [fill in your target]. Don’t you just wish we could have one of the [fill in your target] right here in the middle of our group?

It worked for O’Reilly; no wonder O’Keefe is trying to copy him.

10 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 7:49:31pm

Crossed a line? No shit. O’Keefe’s made a career out of this and no one in right wing political circles calls him and his gang of assholes out on it.

11 jaunte  Mar 20, 2015 7:56:04pm

re: #10 HappyWarrior

Dirty tricks have been part of their tactics for years.

Segretti’s involvement in the “Canuck letter” typifies the tactics Segretti and others working with him used, forging a letter ascribed to Senator Edmund Muskie which maligned the people, language and culture of French Canada and French Canadians, causing the soon to be Democratic presidential candidate Muskie considerable headaches in denying the letter and having to continue dealing with the issue. Many historians have indicated over the years that Muskie’s withdrawal from the Presidential primaries was at least partly the result of Segretti and some of the other “Ratfuckers” creating so much confusion and false accusations that Muskie simply could not respond in any meaningful way.
en.wikipedia.org

12 TedStriker  Mar 20, 2015 7:58:15pm

re: #11 jaunte

Dirty tricks have been part of their tactics for years.

The precursor to the Gish Gallop.

13 HappyWarrior  Mar 20, 2015 7:58:30pm

re: #11 jaunte

Dirty tricks have been part of their tactics for years.

Yeah I remember reading about the Canuck letter in All the President’s Men. Nixon sure did employ a lot of genuine scumbags. Win at all costs.

14 #FergusonFireside  Mar 20, 2015 7:58:54pm

re: #11 jaunte

Dirty tricks have been part of their tactics for years.

—— deleted.

15 prairiefire  Mar 20, 2015 8:00:06pm

re: #14 #FergusonFireside

Repressive is being polite, the sons of a bitch good old boys.

16 #FergusonFireside  Mar 20, 2015 8:14:12pm

No comments. OK here we are a going

YouTube

17 jaunte  Mar 20, 2015 8:15:06pm

T. Bogg:

“…I’m sure that O’Keefe will explain that they would never ever ever let any police officer actually get killed, because the real plan was to get someone — preferably someone of the dusky hue -on film threatening to kill a cop so that they would be arrested instead so, no harm, no foul, just a black guy, amirite?

And Jeebus knows no James O’Keefe production has ever gone sideways or badly for him in the past. What could possibly go wrong besides ending or ruining someone’s life, not his own?”
rawstory.com

18 RealityBasedSteve  Mar 20, 2015 8:17:13pm

I’ve got to go scoop the O’Keefes out of the litter box, then I’m gone for the evening.

Fight the good fight gang.

RBS

19 teleskiguy  Mar 20, 2015 8:24:41pm

I can’t help but think of my comment on Tuesday about Andrew Breitbart and his toxic legacy.

The man in a nutshell:

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20 makeitstop  Mar 20, 2015 8:25:19pm

re: #16 #FergusonFireside

No comments. OK here we are a going

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this is good later EC.

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21 #FergusonFireside  Mar 20, 2015 8:32:24pm

…

Just a share,

22 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 20, 2015 8:51:13pm

Charles, I have a technical question about embedded videos. China blocks both Vimeo and YouTube, so going directly to either just gives me a “page not found” notice. However, I can watch embedded Vimeo streams on your site (and mine, as I found out just now) with no problems. Not so YouTube embeds.

So, is Vimeo forwarding the stream through your server, so that the Great Firewall thinks the stream is from LGF and not Vimeo? And, does YouTube not conceal its URL in a similar fashion, so embedded YouTube vids are blocked?

Am I making sense?

23 #FergusonFireside  Mar 20, 2015 8:52:00pm

Listening to Rubber Soul.

24 #FergusonFireside  Mar 20, 2015 8:56:30pm

Love has a nasty habit of disappearing overnight.

25 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 20, 2015 8:56:32pm

re: #23 #FergusonFireside

Listening to Rubber Soul.

The chapter heading in our listening comprehension text this week was “All you need is love.” Naturally, I had to introduce my 18-20 year-old Chinese students to The Beatles. Showed them music videos of “All You Need Is Love”, and “She Loves You,” because they sing part of the earlier song in “All You Need.”

The lyrics are easy to learn for EFL students, BTW. I’ll bet Sir Paul and John had no idea about that at the time.

26 Dark_Falcon  Mar 20, 2015 8:57:58pm

re: #13 HappyWarrior

Yeah I remember reading about the Canuck letter in All the President’s Men. Nixon sure did employ a lot of genuine scumbags. Win at all costs.

Richard Nixon was the worse type of failed president: Unlike Herbert Hoover and Jimmy Carter, who were not up to the job but were still decent men who tried to do the right thing, by 1972 Nixon had become a viscous, bitter, ends-justify-the-means president who did not care about the violence he was doing to America’s system of government.

In his focus only on himself and his goals to the exclusion of legitimate questions of if his goals were the right ones or if his methods were wrong because of the harm they did, Richard Nixon in fact came to resemble Woodrow Wilson, whose presidency also ended in failure large part because of an isolated president who would accept no views other than his own. Thus Nixon ranks as one of the two worst presidents of the 20th Century.

27 #FergusonFireside  Mar 20, 2015 8:59:19pm

re: #25 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The chapter heading in our listening comprehension text this week was “All you need is love.” Naturally, I had to introduce my 18-20 year-old Chinese students to The Beatles. Showed them music videos of “All You Need Is Love”, and “She Loves You,” because they sing part of the earlier song in “All You Need.”

The lyrics are easy to learn for EFL students, BTW. I’ll bet Sir Paul and John had no idea about that at the time.

Beautiful.

The Beatles are going to be the music of forever.

My Life is playing now for me.

28 #FergusonFireside  Mar 20, 2015 9:00:53pm

wait!

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29 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 20, 2015 9:01:20pm

re: #27 #FergusonFireside

Beautiful.

The Beatles are going to be the music of forever.

My Life is playing now for me.

“Hey Jude” is always in the local karaoke playlists.

30 prairiefire  Mar 20, 2015 9:03:21pm

re: #24 #FergusonFireside

Or endearing.

31 #FergusonFireside  Mar 20, 2015 9:04:36pm

OK, Little Girl playing now.

Ya’ll this song traumatized me as a kid.

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32 prairiefire  Mar 20, 2015 9:06:54pm

Ok, kind of stalkerish!

33 #FergusonFireside  Mar 20, 2015 9:08:18pm

Doing the rotation through my old ipod. I’ve made it to the REM marathon. Seriously, love it.

Harborcoat.

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Try it if you haven;t.

34 #FergusonFireside  Mar 20, 2015 9:09:14pm

re: #32 prairiefire

Ok, kind of stalkerish!

Totally.

35 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 20, 2015 9:10:04pm

re: #25 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’ve often argued that earlier is better when talking about the Beatles. Rubber Soul at the latest.

36 Saint Stephen  Mar 20, 2015 9:13:43pm

re: #19 teleskiguy

Too bad he left us so soon. He had so much hatred and division to sow.

37 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 20, 2015 9:19:21pm
Winter’s Toil

Took this passing through Rittenhouse Square in Philadelphia this morning after the snow started. Just sort of sums up the season that has passed.

38 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 20, 2015 9:22:54pm

re: #35 William Barnett-Lewis

I’ve often argued that earlier is better when talking about the Beatles. Rubber Soul at the latest.

I love it all, with a few exceptions. Their earlier songs for a four-man band were clean and simple, but even the orchestrated and overdubbed later works retain that simple foundation of basic lyrics and tune.

39 #FergusonFireside  Mar 20, 2015 9:31:05pm

I just got to this song in my ipod.

Letter Never Sent. Awesome live version I found.

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40 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 20, 2015 9:32:49pm

I’m going old school right now. Listening to Scott Joplin.

41 teleskiguy  Mar 20, 2015 9:41:50pm
42 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 20, 2015 9:44:28pm

re: #40 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’m going old school right now. Listening to Scott Joplin.

Metal mood tonight after the blues show & playing with drop d surf punk earlier today :)

43 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 20, 2015 9:50:44pm

re: #26 Dark_Falcon

Richard Nixon was the worse type of failed president: Unlike Herbert Hoover and Jimmy Carter, who were not up to the job but were still decent men who tried to do the right thing, by 1972 Nixon had become a viscous, bitter, ends-justify-the-means president who did not care about the violence he was doing to America’s system of government.

In his focus only on himself and his goals to the exclusion of legitimate questions of if his goals were the right ones or if his methods were wrong because of the harm they did, Richard Nixon in fact came to resemble Woodrow Wilson, whose presidency also ended in failure large part because of an isolated president who would accept no views other than his own. Thus Nixon ranks as one of the two worst presidents of the 20th Century.

Ironically, these days the Republican base seems to adore those.

44 teleskiguy  Mar 20, 2015 9:56:21pm

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45 teleskiguy  Mar 20, 2015 10:22:09pm
46 teleskiguy  Mar 20, 2015 10:23:18pm
47 austin_blue  Mar 20, 2015 10:34:14pm

Why isn’t anyone following the money?

Someone is paying James O’Keefe to continue to be an oozing shitstain on the body politic.

It’s not like he’s got a real job. Shouldn’t we track down the funder who pays for his crap?

I’m just noting that we attack the result, but not the prime mover that allows it to happen. Who is paying his bills?

48 prairiefire  Mar 20, 2015 10:49:24pm

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49 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 20, 2015 10:55:33pm

re: #48 prairiefire

How many pianos do you suppose are in China?

Sounds like a Fermi question.

1.3 billion people. Figure 30% are middle income or above and can afford to have a piano in their home. That’s 390 million individuals. Assume half are married with children — 195 million. Then figure 1 in 4 has a piano in their home, giving about 49 million.

Then, we’d need to include all the schools, music shops, bars and hotels with pianos.

OK, there’s a whole lotta pianos in China.

50 teleskiguy  Mar 20, 2015 10:58:13pm
51 Kragar  Mar 20, 2015 11:05:15pm

U.S. Senator Ted Cruz, a leading conservative who has been considering running for the Republican presidential nomination, will make an important speech on Monday at Liberty University in Virginia, an aide told the Daily Beast website on Friday.

A member of Cruz’ staff declined to tell the website the specific nature of the address but said, “You’re going to want to be there.”

52 prairiefire  Mar 20, 2015 11:20:19pm

re: #49 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

NPR was reporting today on the expansion of middle class Chinese tourists dollars$ and their traveling . Quite a bit of $.

53 freetoken  Mar 20, 2015 11:23:15pm

MP3 Audio

54 prairiefire  Mar 20, 2015 11:29:15pm

re: #49 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Make pianos not war!

55 Lidane  Mar 20, 2015 11:49:02pm

Somewhat spoilery, but still fascinating:

56 Varek Raith  Mar 21, 2015 12:03:35am

re: #46 teleskiguy

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*Must not laugh*

57 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 21, 2015 12:05:20am

re: #51 Kragar

When asked what made this speech important, Cruz replied that every word he says is important.

58 Kragar  Mar 21, 2015 12:05:50am

re: #56 Varek Raith

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59 Lidane  Mar 21, 2015 12:06:36am

re: #51 Kragar

“Important” and “Liberty University” should never be in the same sentence.

Also, LOL Ted Cruz. God that man is an embarrassment.

60 Justanotherhuman  Mar 21, 2015 12:14:19am

Isn’t “guerrilla filmmaker” too kind of a description for a shit stain?

If O’Keefe isn’t on parole, he should be, so it can be revoked. Whose protection is he under that he’s allowed to roam free to plan this kind of criminal activity?

Call it a “stunt” if you will; I call it yelling fire in a crowded theater.

61 Ace-o-aces  Mar 21, 2015 12:31:36am

re: #17 jaunte

T. Bogg:

Really, I don’t think anything O’Keefe has done since ACORN has amounted to anything but a fissile. And even then, ACORN was already suffering from management issues when O’Keefe came along. He’s been coasting ever since.

62 Justanotherhuman  Mar 21, 2015 12:39:52am

Heh. Judge agrees that college dropout governor signed illegal legislation violating 14th Amendment rights for women.

Wisconsin federal judge finds state abortion law unconstitutional

reuters.com

“How much do you know about the US Constitution, Candidate X?”

“Well, I never actually studied it and none of my advisers did, either. We believe in a different kind of law, God’s law. And our contributors’ law, of course. We’re not totally lawless.”

63 Justanotherhuman  Mar 21, 2015 12:50:09am

Back to bed…

64 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 21, 2015 12:56:22am

re: #60 Justanotherhuman

Isn’t “guerrilla filmmaker” too kind of a description for a shit stain?

If O’Keefe isn’t on parole, he should be, so it can be revoked. Whose protection is he under that he’s allowed to roam free to plan this kind of criminal activity?

Call it a “stunt” if you will; I call it yelling fire in a crowded theater.

IANAL, but it would seem that O’Keefe’s little stunt, had it been pulled off, would have been incitement under Brandenburg v. Ohio

(1) speech can be prohibited if it is “directed at inciting or producing imminent lawless action” (Check!) and (2) it is “likely to incite or produce such action.” (Check)

oyez.org

I’m not sure New York or NYC has such a law regarding incitement to imminent lawless action, but I’d bet that there’s something on the books. What O’Keefe was proposing wasn’t a mere stunt, but a highly dangerous act that could have gotten someone killed.

(edited to correct location)

66 Timothy Watson  Mar 21, 2015 1:02:42am

re: #65 Nyet

Image: America-Prepare-for-War-from-USA-Today-3-20-2015.jpg

Ugh, nothing like trying to read a block of text which is centered.

67 Timothy Watson  Mar 21, 2015 1:02:58am

re: #65 Nyet

Oh, and it’s batshit crazy of course too.

68 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 21, 2015 1:04:20am

Oh WTFITS?
Frat Suspended Over Notebook With Disturbing Entries On Rape, Lynching

Local TV station WRAL reported a “pledge book” that appeared to belong to NC State’s chapter of Pi Kappa Phi was found Thursday at a restaurant near campus. The book was filled with “racially and sexually charged language and derogatory comments about women and children,” according to the news outlet.

“It will be short and painful, just like when I rape you,” one comment read.

“If she’s hot enough, she doesn’t need a pulse,” another said.

“That tree is so perfect for lynching,” read a third.

69 Nyet  Mar 21, 2015 1:11:51am

re: #67 Timothy Watson

Oh, and it’s batshit crazy of course too.

Image: anim-Solar-eclipse-is-warning-message-from-God-say_Atheist-Grr-I-dismiss-Apocalypses-omen-as-wro-tZFa.gif

71 Dr Lizardo  Mar 21, 2015 1:52:11am

Nutburgerette Sandy Rios is warning Christians to “prepare for martyrdom” if the SCOTUS legalizes SSM next month.

*headdesk*

Sandy Rios, director of governmental affairs for the American Family Association and host of a daily radio program, did not specify what she meant by that - but her context was clear.

“Homosexual marriage is going to bring about the tip of the spear of the battle we’re going to face,” Rios said Thursday to a gathering of religious right activists and pastors.

She told the Christian activists to “stop playing it safe,” telling them the Bible encouraged bold action.

“You must prepare for martyrdom,” Rios said. “I don’t know what it’s going to look like, but it’s coming.”

Religious conservatives have been encouraging activists and lawmakers to pledge to commit unspecified acts of civil disobedience if the court strikes down bans against same-sex marriage.

rawstory.com

Great googly-moogly (to quote the late Whitman Mayo) I can only imagine the head ‘spolsions next month if indeed SCOTUS legalizes SSM nation-wide. It’s going to be the derpacalypse.

72 Nyet  Mar 21, 2015 1:56:41am

re: #71 Dr Lizardo

They want their own CSNA.

73 Nyet  Mar 21, 2015 3:17:19am
forward.com

“We believe that the prime minister’s reaffirmations of his positions should be accepted, and, as the new government is formed the parties should work to enhance cooperation between the democratic allies and advance the special U.S.-Israel ties,” said a statement on Thursday from the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, the foreign policy umbrella for U.S. Jewish groups.

R u kidding us, AIPAC? Just because Bibi has backtracked a bit on the 2SS (only for the sake of appearance), everything should be forgotten now? Nope. You are not serious people.

In an interview, Abraham Foxman, the ADL’s national director, called the administration’s stubbornness “unbecoming.”
“To say we won’t forget,” Foxman said, “that’s nasty.”

Oh GFY, Abe. You know what was really nasty? When ADL for all intents and purposes came out against Park51 project, thus holding all Muslims accountable for 9/11.

74 Romantic Heretic  Mar 21, 2015 3:42:22am

re: #7 Drive By Commenter

James O’Keefe. Isn’t that an euphemism for “open running sore in genital area”?

The anal area actually.

75 Romantic Heretic  Mar 21, 2015 3:47:29am

re: #29 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

“Hey Jude” is always in the local karaoke playlists.

God, I hate that song.

Probably because it played on pretty much every radio station that teenagers listened to on a fifteen minute rotation for four months here in Toronto. There was no escaping it. Worse than Starbucks.

I’ve loathed the song ever since. I will hurl myself across the room to switch it off.

76 Lancelot Link  Mar 21, 2015 3:50:11am

re: #75 Romantic Heretic

God, I hate that song.

I’ll second that opinion.

77 Nyet  Mar 21, 2015 3:52:33am

For you two.

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78 Romantic Heretic  Mar 21, 2015 3:54:26am

re: #77 Nyet

Thanks. I’ll do something nice for you someday.

When the time is ripe. MWUHAHAHAHAHA!

79 Decatur Deb  Mar 21, 2015 4:05:16am

‘Morning, all.
There have been a couple good articles on the Rosetta/Philae mission:
nytimes.com

bbc.com

The first has a lot of large photos.

80 FemNaziBitch  Mar 21, 2015 4:20:02am

YOUR BRAIN ON COFFEE:

81 FemNaziBitch  Mar 21, 2015 4:20:49am

re: #79 Decatur Deb

‘Morning, all.
There have been a couple good articles on the Rosetta/Philae mission:
nytimes.com

bbc.com

The first has a lot of large photos.

Is that Thor’s Hammer I see?

82 FemNaziBitch  Mar 21, 2015 4:22:47am

re: #68 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Oh WTFITS?
Frat Suspended Over Notebook With Disturbing Entries On Rape, Lynching

the immature trying to prove who has is the biggest dick.

83 FemNaziBitch  Mar 21, 2015 4:24:57am
By nature of caffeine’s purine structure,[7] it binds to some of the same receptors as adenosine.[7] With the proviso that theophylline and theobromine cross the blood-brain barrier very poorly (thus, a low CNS effects on the heart), the pharmacological effects of adenosine may therefore be blunted in individuals taking large quantities of methylxanthines (e.g., caffeine, found in coffee, or theophylline in tea, or theobromine, as found in chocolate).[8][citation needed]
84 FemNaziBitch  Mar 21, 2015 4:34:42am
85 FemNaziBitch  Mar 21, 2015 4:35:36am
86 Justanotherhuman  Mar 21, 2015 4:39:01am

Am I the only person here who never bought a Beatles album? Of course, I was already an adult when the “mopheads” first invaded the US. Their later work was better, but only because of Harrison and Lennon, IMHO. I think I came into possession of “Magical Mystery Tour” that some one gave me, the album, not the EP. The only movie I saw, “A Hard Day’s Night”, was awful.

Still, if you overlook the chaff, they left quite a legacy of music.

87 FemNaziBitch  Mar 21, 2015 4:44:45am
88 Justanotherhuman  Mar 21, 2015 4:47:06am

re: #87 FemNaziBitch

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That’s not “funny”. Not in the least.

89 Decatur Deb  Mar 21, 2015 4:49:01am

re: #81 FemNaziBitch

Is that Thor’s Hammer I see?

Thor’s rubber ducky.

90 Decatur Deb  Mar 21, 2015 4:50:59am

re: #86 Justanotherhuman

Am I the only person here who never bought a Beatles album? Of course, I was already an adult when the “mopheads” first invaded the US. Their later work was better, but only because of Harrison and Lennon, IMHO. I think I came into possession of “Magical Mystery Tour” that some one gave me, the album, not the EP. The only movie I saw, “A Hard Day’s Night”, was awful.

Still, if you overlook the chaff, they left quite a legacy of music.

Norwegian Wood was good.

91 Nyet  Mar 21, 2015 4:54:04am

re: #90 Decatur Deb

Norwegian Wood was good.

So was the Grim and Frostbitten Norwegian Forest of Doom.

Oh, wait, Beatles, not Burzum… Never mind.

93 Nyet  Mar 21, 2015 4:59:19am

re: #92 FemNaziBitch

Maybe not causally. But there surely is a correlation. After all, WP attracts violent misfits.

94 Justanotherhuman  Mar 21, 2015 5:00:59am

re: #90 Decatur Deb

One of the few I thought was brilliant. John and George, basically.

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95 Justanotherhuman  Mar 21, 2015 5:02:01am

re: #92 FemNaziBitch

What else is new? : )

96 Decatur Deb  Mar 21, 2015 5:05:32am

re: #91 Nyet

So was the Grim and Frostbitten Norwegian Forest of Doom.

Oh, wait, Beatles, not Burzum… Never mind.

Had to look them up—goes to some obscure places.

97 Decatur Deb  Mar 21, 2015 5:09:08am

re: #94 Justanotherhuman

One of the few I thought was brilliant. John and George, basically.

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Good counterpoise to Suzanne.

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98 Eventual Carrion  Mar 21, 2015 5:11:59am

re: #90 Decatur Deb

Norwegian Wood was good.

Isn’t it

99 Justanotherhuman  Mar 21, 2015 5:15:14am

re: #97 Decatur Deb

No contest. : )

100 Decatur Deb  Mar 21, 2015 5:17:21am

Dogwalk. BBL

101 FemNaziBitch  Mar 21, 2015 5:18:26am
102 FemNaziBitch  Mar 21, 2015 5:18:43am
103 Justanotherhuman  Mar 21, 2015 5:21:05am

Extremely sad. I just can’t even imagine.

nbcnews.com

104 Nyet  Mar 21, 2015 5:23:17am

re: #102 FemNaziBitch

Video in 3, 2, 1…

105 Lancelot Link  Mar 21, 2015 5:24:04am

re: #77 Nyet

I hope you know, this means war.

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106 FemNaziBitch  Mar 21, 2015 5:25:24am

Ok, dogs have gone back to bed and so shall I.

bbl

107 Nyet  Mar 21, 2015 5:32:06am

re: #105 Lancelot Link

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108 Justanotherhuman  Mar 21, 2015 5:34:52am

re: #101 FemNaziBitch

I have’t worn a skirt since the ’90s when skirts were required for women at a law firm; the partners were troglodyte sexists and liked “to look”—one even went so far as to date the help openly—so I wore my skirts just below my knees; always wore suits. I later won an EEOC charge against them for creating a sexist working environment. The sr partner remarked to me that he wouldn’t have hired me if I didn’t have a “tight ass” and there was always a veneer of sex around that office, perpetrated by the men—they saw young attractive women as “fair game”, basically thought women would allow, and do, anything to keep their jobs. I only lasted 5 years because I was good at my job and refused to “socialize” with them. I was building a pile of evidence, too.

109 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 21, 2015 5:34:52am

re: #94 Justanotherhuman

One of the few I thought was brilliant. John and George, basically.

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That one, “While my Guitar gently Weeps” & “I Want To Hold Your Hand” are my favorites.

110 Varek Raith  Mar 21, 2015 5:37:05am

Yo.

111 Nyet  Mar 21, 2015 5:37:34am

Oy.

112 Nyet  Mar 21, 2015 5:40:17am

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Youtube Video

113 Justanotherhuman  Mar 21, 2015 5:43:51am
114 Varek Raith  Mar 21, 2015 5:48:40am

re: #113 Justanotherhuman

with a difference between high and low tide of 47.6 ft

0_o

115 Nyet  Mar 21, 2015 6:04:55am
9 Things You Think You Know About Jesus That Are Probably Wrong

I usually don’t like such pieces, which mostly seek to sensationalize rather than enlighten. This one is not awful. But gets off on the wrong foot:

Married, not single. When an ancient papyrus scrap was found in 2012 referring to the wife of Jesus (most likely a forgery), some Catholics and Evangelicals were scandalized at the very thought. But unlike the Catholic Church, Jews have no tradition of celibacy among religious leaders. Ancient writers documented exceptions like the Apostle Paul or the Essene sect precisely because they violated the norm. In the Gospels, Jesus iscalled rabbi; and all great rabbis that we know of were married. A rabbi being celibate would have been so unusual that some modern writers have argued that Jesus must have been gay. But a number of ancient texts, including the canonical New Testament, point to a special relationshipbetween Mary Magdalene and Jesus. For example, the non-canonical Gospel of Phillip says, “[Jesus] loved her more than all the disciples, and used to kiss her often on her [mouth].”

The part about a rabbi is a weak probabilistic argument. Even if statistics somehow support it (I don’t know one way or another), why couldn’t Jesus have been an exception? Then it becomes purely idiotic. Who the fuck cares what the 3rd century C.E. Gospel of Phillip says on the matter? Being a late apocryphon, it has no historical value whatsoever, so why mention it at all except to give the rubes an illusion that there are some actual hints that J was married?

In any case, a question mark after the first sentence is a must.

116 Justanotherhuman  Mar 21, 2015 6:18:56am

Machete attack at NOLA airport. 60 yr old man also used wasp spray on victims.

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117 Justanotherhuman  Mar 21, 2015 6:21:12am

UN chief condemns ‘heinous’ attack on Kurds

Suicide bomber kills more than 33 people gathered for new year celebrations in Hasakeh province

gulfnews.com

118 Justanotherhuman  Mar 21, 2015 6:23:43am

No doubt Rs are scheming about their next plan of attack against this and having discussions with armament lobbies.

US Secretary of State John Kerry says ‘substantial progress’ made in nuclear talks with Iran, but gaps remain - @Reuters
end of alert

1h
John Kerry says P5+1 world powers are united in plan to ensure Iranian nuclear program is entirely peaceful - @Reuters
end of alert

119 Joe Bacon  Mar 21, 2015 6:40:00am

re: #47 austin_blue

I got a feeling that there are a pair of brothers financing O’Keefe and their last name beings with “K”.

120 Targetpractice  Mar 21, 2015 6:41:03am

re: #118 Justanotherhuman

No doubt Rs are scheming about their next plan of attack against this and having discussions with armament lobbies.

US Secretary of State John Kerry says ‘substantial progress’ made in nuclear talks with Iran, but gaps remain - @Reuters
end of alert

1h
John Kerry says P5+1 world powers are united in plan to ensure Iranian nuclear program is entirely peaceful - @Reuters
end of alert

The next plan, as I understand it, is to find a way to get a veto-proof majority in the Senate to pass Menendez and Kirk’s bills, so that the Senate may impose new sanctions and impose themselves into the negotiations.

121 PhillyPretzel  Mar 21, 2015 6:50:57am

I just posted a page on Downton Abbey. TV Guide reports that Season 6 will be the last one. Damn I am going to miss that show. Although it gives me some time to save up some money so that I can buy DVDs of the series. littlegreenfootballs.com

122 darthstar  Mar 21, 2015 6:58:02am

re: #114 Varek Raith

0_o

47.6 feet doesn’t sound like much until I realize my house is 35 feet above sea level. And those surfers had better be out of the water before slack tide ends, as the ebb is going to be a bitch.

123 darthstar  Mar 21, 2015 6:59:48am

re: #121 PhillyPretzel

I just posted a page on Downton Abbey. TV Guide reports that Season 6 will be the last one. Damn I am going to miss that show. Although it gives me some time to save up some money so that I can buy DVDs of the series. littlegreenfootballs.com

They killed Isis. One more season is plenty.

124 thedopefishlives  Mar 21, 2015 7:07:16am

Morning Lizardim from the beautiful, cold wild north country. Things are peaceful in the fish household; well, aside from fishspawn, but that’s neither here nor there. How go things among the lizardfolk on this fine Saturday morning?

125 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 7:13:59am

re: #124 thedopefishlives

Morning Lizardim from the beautiful, cold wild north country. Things are peaceful in the fish household; well, aside from fishspawn, but that’s neither here nor there. How go things among the lizardfolk on this fine Saturday morning?

Sunshine and warm (supposed to get up to 65F today).
I’ll probably do a bit a tramping in the woods to see what’s new there, now that the snow is gone.

126 darthstar  Mar 21, 2015 7:14:58am

Don’t worry…they’re all low-end retail wines.

127 thedopefishlives  Mar 21, 2015 7:22:08am

re: #125 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sunshine and warm (supposed to get up to 65F today).
I’ll probably do a bit a tramping in the woods to see what’s new there, now that the snow is gone.

We’re supposed to get more snow tomorrow night.

128 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 7:23:25am

re: #127 thedopefishlives

We’re supposed to get more snow tomorrow night.

I sent all the snow back north where it belongs…

129 PhillyPretzel  Mar 21, 2015 7:25:12am

Seems to be clear until the middle of the week here in Philly. forecast.weather.gov

130 thedopefishlives  Mar 21, 2015 7:25:43am

re: #128 Backwoods_Sleuth

I sent all the snow back north where it belongs…

Don’t worry. I hired a rental truck to return it to sender.

131 darthstar  Mar 21, 2015 7:26:45am

re: #127 thedopefishlives

We’re supposed to get more snow tomorrow night.

We got drought.

132 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 7:27:11am

re: #130 thedopefishlives

Don’t worry. I hired a rental truck to return it to sender.

send it to darthstar.

133 sagehen  Mar 21, 2015 7:27:57am

re: #123 darthstar

They killed Isis. One more season is plenty.

I was sort of hoping they’d go on long enough to get to the mid-30’s, so we could have an “Upstairs Downstairs” crossover.

134 PhillyPretzel  Mar 21, 2015 7:28:31am

re: #133 sagehen

That sounds good.

135 thedopefishlives  Mar 21, 2015 7:28:41am

re: #131 darthstar

We got drought.

To be honest, it’s not like our current situation is that great, either. Not a drought, but we are under on our precipitation totals. As much as I hate to choke these words out, we could actually use the snow.

136 Justanotherhuman  Mar 21, 2015 7:32:22am

re: #126 darthstar

And why I don’t drink CA wines and I’m not really a wine snob since I drink only what tastes good to me. The Riesling must be from Germany until I’m told differently, and I’ll pay more since I don’t drink it that often. Even the cheap, ordinary French red table wine I bought in NYC was better than this lot.

Most of those are supermarket wines—Barefoot, Sutter Home, Glen Ellen, etc, and often on sale or featured.

137 PhillyPretzel  Mar 21, 2015 7:34:10am

re: #136 Justanotherhuman

In PA almost all wines are bought in a State Store. If I want wine I will put out the money for a good one.

138 Decatur Deb  Mar 21, 2015 7:38:00am

re: #126 darthstar

Don’t worry…they’re all low-end retail wines.

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Timely call. I was just about to lay in a supply to get me through the TPGOP primaries.

139 darthstar  Mar 21, 2015 7:41:50am

re: #137 PhillyPretzel

In PA almost all wines are bought in a State Store. If I want wine I will put out the money for a good one.

It’s all about how one defines ‘a good one’…You can get a $25 bottle of Pinot from Monterey and it’ll be just as full and robust as a $45 bottle from Paso Robles. And actually, it’s hard to go wrong with Monterey Pinots…grapes stay nice and cool there.

140 Justanotherhuman  Mar 21, 2015 7:45:12am

This was a Jewish Orthodox family in a single family house. The father was away at a conference, said to be difficult to reach, and the culprit was a malfunctioning hot plate.

7 Children Die in Brooklyn Fire

nytimes.com

141 Justanotherhuman  Mar 21, 2015 7:47:01am

Everybody’s in the wine business, even the Biltmore House.

Wineries in NC: ncwine.org

142 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 7:57:01am
143 Justanotherhuman  Mar 21, 2015 8:01:00am

Republican children behaving badly, cont.

Police in Gainesville, Fla., arrest the son of Rep. Ted Yoho, R-Fla., on DUI charges. - @wjxt4

news4jax.com

144 Dark_Falcon  Mar 21, 2015 8:03:49am

re: #116 Justanotherhuman

Machete attack at NOLA airport. 60 yr old man also used wasp spray on victims.

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An attack stopped by a good cop with a gun.

145 Dark_Falcon  Mar 21, 2015 8:08:38am

re: #142 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nice fat throw over the place, and I dare say I hit for a double:

146 sagehen  Mar 21, 2015 8:08:40am

re: #144 Dark_Falcon

An attack stopped by a good cop with a gun.

You know what else he had besides a gun? He had training. And a uniform, so bystanders and other officers wouldn’t think he was random-guy-with-a-gun-at-the-airport who needed to be stopped.

I’m more comfortable when the people carrying/using guns in public fit that description.

147 Varek Raith  Mar 21, 2015 8:11:33am

re: #144 Dark_Falcon

An attack stopped by a good cop with a gun.

Who also hit a TSA agent with her fire.

148 darthstar  Mar 21, 2015 8:12:13am

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

Nice fat throw over the place, and I dare say I hit for a double:

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149 Dark_Falcon  Mar 21, 2015 8:12:42am

re: #146 sagehen

Correction you need to make: The cop was stopped the attack is Lt Heather Slyve of the Jefferson Parish sheriff’s department. This dirtbag was actually stopped by a woman.

150 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 8:13:11am

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

That doesn’t make any sense.

151 The War TARDIS  Mar 21, 2015 8:13:41am

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

And you want the poor to starve, and persecuted minorities.

152 Dark_Falcon  Mar 21, 2015 8:13:45am

re: #147 Varek Raith

Who also hit a TSA agent with his fire.


I didn’t read that, where’d you see that?

153 darthstar  Mar 21, 2015 8:14:01am

re: #147 Varek Raith

Who also hit a TSA agent with his fire.

Collateral damage.

154 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 8:15:35am

re: #152 Dark_Falcon

I didn’t read that, where’d you see that?

A TSA officer and a traveler sustained non-life threatening injuries — apparently from bullets fired at the man by a sheriff’s deputy.
nola.com

155 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 21, 2015 8:15:56am

re: #52 prairiefire

NPR was reporting today on the expansion of middle class Chinese tourists dollars$ and their traveling . Quite a bit of $.

Oh, no doubt. Their travels have also sparked complaints about their poor manners and crappy behavior.

For example, one lady on an airplane refused to close the latrine door while she was using it. A mother let her toddler pee in the aisle on a plane. Another let her kid take a crap on the sidewalk in Hong Kong. A Thai blogger bitched online about a group of Chinese tourists who jumped the queue for tickets.

That being said, I have not witnessed such horrible examples in my travels, but it is a fair criticism that some of China’s nouveau riche are still country bumpkins in many ways.

156 darthstar  Mar 21, 2015 8:16:02am

Okay…the dogs want to go to the beach…again. So I gotta run. (Actually, they’re sleeping on the floor, but it’s Saturday and I want to get an early start so I can enjoy the day with my wife, but I’m using the dogs as an excuse to get off the internet.)

Try not to be wrong while I’m gone.

157 Varek Raith  Mar 21, 2015 8:16:54am

re: #156 darthstar

Okay…the dogs want to go to the beach…again. So I gotta run. (Actually, they’re sleeping on the floor, but it’s Saturday and I want to get an early start so I can enjoy the day with my wife, but I’m using the dogs as an excuse to get off the internet.)

Try not to be wrong while I’m gone.

SUPERTIDE

158 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 8:17:28am

jeebus…and it’s not even noon yet…

159 Justanotherhuman  Mar 21, 2015 8:17:55am

re: #155 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

You mean like a lot of the RWNJs that have surfaced in the last 10 yrs here in the US?

160 Dark_Falcon  Mar 21, 2015 8:19:09am

re: #152 Dark_Falcon


I didn’t read that, where’d you see that?

Never mind, found it on CNN.

Still, gunshots can go astray in a high-stress fast-moving situation, and I don’t think Lt. Slyve should be considered to have screwed up. She stopped the attack and because of her no one died.

161 Romantic Heretic  Mar 21, 2015 8:20:18am

re: #125 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sunshine and warm (supposed to get up to 65F today).
I’ll probably do a bit a tramping in the woods to see what’s new there, now that the snow is gone.

You know that’s just Mother Nature’s way of saying, “Look at my thumb?”

162 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 8:23:42am

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

163 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 21, 2015 8:23:55am

re: #159 Justanotherhuman

You mean like a lot of the RWNJs that have surfaced in the last 10 yrs here in the US?

No, the Chinese are much nicer.

164 Justanotherhuman  Mar 21, 2015 8:26:23am

re: #163 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Good to know; the newly rich RWNJs thrall themselves with their maliciousness and money.

165 Dr Lizardo  Mar 21, 2015 8:30:43am

So, went for a bike ride for the first time in about four years, and oy vey, Imma feel it tomorrow. The weather was good today here - almost 60 F - so I figured I’d better get in a bit of riding with the new bike I picked up last week.

Damn. I’m outta shape. When I lived in Berlin, I could do hills with no problem; I seem I’m going to have to get back into it. Burn off the spare tire, LOL.

166 Belafon  Mar 21, 2015 8:32:10am

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

Nice fat throw over the place, and I dare say I hit for a double:

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Which party cuts education spending, raises military spending, and fails to see, at a minimum, how the first will harm the second?

167 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 21, 2015 8:32:34am

re: #164 Justanotherhuman

Good to know; the newly rich RWNJs thrall themselves with their maliciousness and money.

China’s new rich are mostly obsessed with showing off their wealth, with fancy cars, houses, bling, etc. Oh, there might also be some corruption with some government officials, but it’s all in the interests of staying rich and getting more rich. Chinese don’t meddle with politics, because it’s frequently a terminal illness.

For kicks, they buy real estate in the USA, and devise ways to smuggle their millions out of China. news.xinhuanet.com

168 calochortus  Mar 21, 2015 8:32:40am

re: #137 PhillyPretzel

In PA almost all wines are bought in a State Store. If I want wine I will put out the money for a good one.

When we lived in PA almost all wines were bought in Maryland…

169 Justanotherhuman  Mar 21, 2015 8:37:58am

re: #167 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Yes, I’ve read about the money transfers to buy properties for rental income in the US. According to that article I posted yesterday (?), it’s not the millionaires now doing it since they’re putting their money elsewhere, it’s the thousandaires now doing it, making them some of the ultimate absentee landlords.

170 sagehen  Mar 21, 2015 8:39:15am

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

Correction you need to make: The cop was stopped the attack is Lt Heather Slyve of the Jefferson Parish sheriff’s department. This dirtbag was actually stopped by a woman.

editing time expired. correction noted.

171 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 21, 2015 8:39:31am

One of my longtime friends, who was once my AP US History teacher in high school, is touring China on business. He’ll be in Changsha tomorrow and Monday, so I’m going to meet up with him there. It’s been at least 30 years since we last saw each other, and it’s pretty amazing we’re doing it in China.

After he left teaching, he became a college admission officer, finally ending up at Bowdoin. Then he “retired,” starting up a consulting business for high schools wishing to maximize their graduates’ chances of getting into college. A Chinese agency has hired him to do the same for Chinese students.

So, good night from the Middle Kingdom! Ima gettin’ up early t’marra!

172 The War TARDIS  Mar 21, 2015 8:41:12am

I am still in a foul mood. A cold developed on top of being miffed.

I am being told to be patient, but I have been for 2 years. I am tired of being ignored or neglected on yesterdays issue, and I WILL be taken seriously.

173 Snarknado!  Mar 21, 2015 8:44:49am

re: #166 Belafon

Which party cuts education spending, raises military spending, and fails to see, at a minimum, how the first will harm the second?

Which party has run up the deficit whenever they were in power? Which party champions supply-side economics?

And which tweeter best illustrates the twitter comment he was replying to?

174 karev  Mar 21, 2015 8:47:22am

Man this O’Keef fella seem like a baaaad news. A risky bastard.

175 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 21, 2015 8:48:20am

re: #146 sagehen

You know what else he had besides a gun? He had training. And a uniform, so bystanders and other officers wouldn’t think he was random-guy-with-a-gun-at-the-airport who needed to be stopped.

I’m more comfortable when the people carrying/using guns in public fit that description.

Training, experience, good situational awareness and nerves of steel are not a skills set you can obtain over the counter at the nearest Wal-Mart.

They are necessary if you want to avoid collateral damage.

176 freetoken  Mar 21, 2015 8:55:48am

One of the more frustrating things in a story, especially a movie, is when a character is supposed to be a very smart person but the dialogue and action have him doing stupid things continually.

It’s one of those disconnects which demonstrate an author or director really haven’t sat down and read/listened to what they have made.

177 Justanotherhuman  Mar 21, 2015 8:57:04am

What America’s New Policy Toward Israel Could Look Like

thinkprogress.org

“Benjamin Netanyahu’s rejection of a two state solution to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict has pushed the Obama administration to re-assess America’s policy towards Israel and widened a growing diplomatic rift between the two countries.

“It’s almost like the mask was ripped off and you saw the real face and now they’re trying to put the mask back on, but nobody who saw the real face will ever be fooled by the mask again,” Alan Elsner, a Vice President at J Street, said, referring to the Prime Minister’s efforts to walk back his comments ruling out the creation of a Palestinian state.

“And while regional experts ThinkProgress contacted agreed that the United States will not reduce military or intelligence cooperation with the Jewish state, the administration has hinted that it could stop vetoing United Nations Security Council resolutions Israel opposes. Officials have also floated the possibility of introducing or backing a U.N. resolution that establishes the parameters and definitions for a two-state solution.” More

178 Dark_Falcon  Mar 21, 2015 9:01:59am

re: #177 Justanotherhuman

What America’s New Policy Toward Israel Could Look Like

thinkprogress.org

“Benjamin Netanyahu’s rejection of a two state solution to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict has pushed the Obama administration to re-assess America’s policy towards Israel and widened a growing diplomatic rift between the two countries.

“It’s almost like the mask was ripped off and you saw the real face and now they’re trying to put the mask back on, but nobody who saw the real face will ever be fooled by the mask again,” Alan Elsner, a Vice President at J Street, said, referring to the Prime Minister’s efforts to walk back his comments ruling out the creation of a Palestinian state.

“And while regional experts ThinkProgress contacted agreed that the United States will not reduce military or intelligence cooperation with the Jewish state, the administration has hinted that it could stop vetoing United Nations Security Council resolutions Israel opposes. Officials have also floated the possibility of introducing or backing a U.N. resolution that establishes the parameters and definitions for a two-state solution.” More

That bolded part would only increase dislike of the United Nations in the US. Also, any UN resolution regarding a two-state solution would be premature at this time and will remain premature for the foreseeable future. Such a resolution will be a mature idea at the same time the thinking of the Palestinians matures and not before.

179 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 9:03:20am

re: #178 Dark_Falcon

LOL!
Keep telling yourself that.

180 Targetpractice  Mar 21, 2015 9:05:35am

re: #178 Dark_Falcon

That bolded part would only increase dislike of the United Nations in the US. Also, any UN resolution regarding a two-state solution would be premature at this time and will remain premature for the foreseeable future. Such a resolution will be a mature idea at the same time the thinking of the Palestinians matures and not before.

It’s rather hard for the thinking of Palestinians to mature when Israel has leaders who say whatever is convenient to remain in power. How do you expect to negotiate with someone who says whatever is convenient at the moment?

181 BeenHereAwhile  Mar 21, 2015 9:08:02am

re: #29 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

“Hey Jude” is always in the local karaoke playlists.

Not the way Wilson Picket & Duane cover “Hey Jude,”

(It gets pretty intense at the 2:50 mark)

…

182 sagehen  Mar 21, 2015 9:08:11am

re: #178 Dark_Falcon

That bolded part would only increase dislike of the United Nations in the US. Also, any UN resolution regarding a two-state solution would be premature at this time and will remain premature for the foreseeable future. Such a resolution will be a mature idea at the same time the thinking of the Palestinians matures and not before.

Because Palestinians have to be unanimously perfect before they deserve any of what we would consider “fair treatment” for anybody else.

183 freetoken  Mar 21, 2015 9:08:54am

re: #178 Dark_Falcon

Nah. The UN haters started at the time of the JBS and nothing much any reasonable administration has done or hasn’t done affects that irrationality.

The magick-thinkers about “Israel” will continue to do so.

The US must pursue foreign policy for our benefit, not for either the current state of Israel or the Palestinians.

That’s what so many who seem so hot about this issue seem to forget.

US foreign policy is to serve US interests, not others’.

Now, in our enlightened world I hope we agree that what is best for the entire planet will be best for us most of the time and I for one wish we all had a more planetary worldview rather than a tribal one.

Yet I still expect Obama and Kerry to undertake negotiations for my benefit, not for people in other countries.

184 freetoken  Mar 21, 2015 9:14:13am

And lest anyone not understand what the #1 goal of US policy in the Middle East is, I will present it here:

Don’t drag us into a war.

Especially don’t drag us into a wide-scale war.

The #2 goal is this:

Don’t disrupt the flow of oil and commerce in the region.

Any goals lower on the list are not so important to us.

185 Targetpractice  Mar 21, 2015 9:14:38am

This administration has been taking it on the chin for the past six years, not trying like past administrations have to impose peace talks or negotiate in Israel’s stead in order to secure some manner of legacy. It’s defended Israel’s actions again and again in the UN, souring our relations with our own allies just to provide cover in the hopes that some manner of peaceful negotiations could begin.

With the announcement last week that Bibi will not allow a Palestinian state to exist, I think it’s past time to press the matter. More to the point, it’s time to make clear that this continued refusal by both sides to reach a peaceful resolution is causing trouble on an international scale. If it takes a UN resolution to make that happen, then so be it. I’d think anyone who supports Israel would prefer UN imposed negotiations to the alternatives, such as an EU boycott that would cripple Israel’s economy.

186 Justanotherhuman  Mar 21, 2015 9:17:44am

re: #178 Dark_Falcon

That bolded part would only increase dislike of the United Nations in the US. Also, any UN resolution regarding a two-state solution would be premature at this time and will remain premature for the foreseeable future. Such a resolution will be a mature idea at the same time the thinking of the Palestinians matures and not before.

This is not just an “east-west” world anymore. We are citizens of the planet, whether or not our politics entertain that.

Deal with it.

187 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 9:18:42am

hahahahaa!

188 Dark_Falcon  Mar 21, 2015 9:19:12am

re: #186 Justanotherhuman

This is not just an “east-west” world anymore. We are citizens of the planet, whether or not our politics entertain that.

Deal with it.

No, we’re citizens of our own country.

189 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 9:19:48am

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

No, we’re citizens of our own country.

Tell that to Boehner and the rest of your party in Congress.

190 A Cranky One  Mar 21, 2015 9:20:03am

A little something the lizard musicians might enjoy playing with:

HTML Drum Machine

To adjust the “knobs”, click and then move the mouse up or down to increase/decrease the volume, etc.

191 Justanotherhuman  Mar 21, 2015 9:20:14am

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

Well, you’re welcome to keep your head under your blankie.

192 Great White Snark  Mar 21, 2015 9:20:29am

re: #177 Justanotherhuman

Well either this was the reality uncovered, or a desperate politician that bullshit his own base and pretended to drop the two state solution.

How can I ell from where Ii sit?

In any case playing with a decades long relationship via undermining a key policy or letting electioneering do long term damage is unforgivable.

193 Dark_Falcon  Mar 21, 2015 9:20:36am

re: #182 sagehen

Because Palestinians have to be unanimously perfect before they deserve any of what we would consider “fair treatment” for anybody else.

Not perfect, just accepting of Israels existence and willing to cease terrorism.

194 thedopefishlives  Mar 21, 2015 9:20:47am

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

No, we’re citizens of our own country.

Not exclusively. This is a global society, whether you like it or not. The Information Age has opened up the borders. We may confine ourselves within those borders, but we know what happens outside of them and what effects our actions have.

195 Targetpractice  Mar 21, 2015 9:23:00am

re: #193 Dark_Falcon

Not perfect, just accepting of Israels existence and willing to cease terrorism.

In light of Bibi’s remarks, I imagine the whole bit about accepting Israel’s existence is moot.

196 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Mar 21, 2015 9:23:41am

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

No, we’re citizens of our own country.

Did not expect THAT from you.

197 freetoken  Mar 21, 2015 9:26:17am

re: #193 Dark_Falcon

Not perfect, just accepting of Israels existence and willing to cease terrorism.

Then you above all else ought to condemn Netanyahu as he’s trying to scuttle our effort to bring that to pass.

For years now, across administrations, it has been the US approach to offer both carrots and sticks. To the Palestinians who want to live with an existing Israeli state we offer the carrot, while to those who want to destroy an Israeli state we offer the stick.

But now Bibi comes along and says that the carrot won’t be real.

Bibi intentionally tries to subvert US policy for his own (and even his more hardline coalition members’) goals.

Which is just fine for them if they are indeed representing their people (in the current state of Israel), but as an American I say we ought not follow them down their own, ultimately self-fulling destructive, beliefs.

198 calochortus  Mar 21, 2015 9:26:22am

re: #193 Dark_Falcon

Not perfect, just accepting of Israels existence and willing to cease terrorism.

Powerful entities do not normally use terrorism as a tool. It is the weapon of the underdog. Israel does not need to use terrorism as they have an almost certainly nuclear-armed military and powerful friends. The Palestinians have neither.

I don’t support terrorism in any way, shape or form, but you shouldn’t pat Israel on the back for not using a tactic that would not help them in any way.

199 Great White Snark  Mar 21, 2015 9:28:07am

re: #186 Justanotherhuman

This is not just an “east-west” world anymore. We are citizens of the planet, whether or not our politics entertain that.

Deal with it.

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

No, we’re citizens of our own country.

If ever there was a question with two correct answers that’s it. We are both and have to accept the complicated wrangles that come from where these two things conflict. And approach them accordingly.

It can not be either or. Not since jet travel met global trade.

200 Targetpractice  Mar 21, 2015 9:32:47am

Quite honestly, I don’t think either side in this matter is serious about a peaceful resolution. Trying to offload all the blame on the Palestinians ignores the reality that Israel, at least under a right-wing/orthodox government, has no real intention of accepting a sovereign Palestinian state. I actually believe that what Bibi fears most is that the violence ends, because then he’ll have no excuse for why negotiations don’t go forward.

201 A Cranky One  Mar 21, 2015 9:35:30am

This thread needs more Eddie Izzard. Cake or death?

…

202 Justanotherhuman  Mar 21, 2015 9:37:04am

re: #199 Great White Snark

Heh. Tell the “American Exceptionalism” crowd that.

I may be a citizen here and still need a passport, but it’s in my interest to know what’s going on in the world and to embrace those of other cultures as well.

203 Dark_Falcon  Mar 21, 2015 9:37:21am

re: #199 Great White Snark

If ever there was a question with two correct answers that’s it. We are both and have to accept the complicated wrangles that come from where these two things conflict. And approach them accordingly.

It can not be either or. Not since jet travel met global trade.

We’re all residents of this planet, but ‘citizenship’ is a different, higher concept that I do not regard as applying on a global scale at this time. That’s why I said what I said.

204 Justanotherhuman  Mar 21, 2015 9:41:39am

This will not turn out well.

Yemen’s Houthis declare war by announcing public, army and security mobilization to combat ‘radicals’ - @yemen_updates
end of alert

205 Great White Snark  Mar 21, 2015 9:42:32am

re: #202 Justanotherhuman

Heh. Tell the “American Exceptionalism” crowd that.

I may be a citizen here and still need a passport, but it’s in my interest to know what’s going on in the world and to embrace those of other cultures as well.

Can’t tell them anything. Even though the very clothes they wear prove me correct.

(On my laptop today miss my real keyboard. Tower computer quit, gonna fix later. Scary part? I got a tiny whiff of smoke when it went. I hope just power supply!)

206 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 9:44:31am
207 Great White Snark  Mar 21, 2015 9:46:01am

re: #203 Dark_Falcon

We’re all residents of this planet, but ‘citizenship’ is a different, higher concept that I do not regard as applying on a global scale at this time. That’s why I said what I said.

I would just submit we are there. It has applied for some time, the way I think you mean since we went offshore so much so fast. Probably too fast. As evidenced by events and your feelings on the matter.

208 Justanotherhuman  Mar 21, 2015 9:46:48am

“The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren and to do good is my religion.” Thomas Paine

brainyquote.com

209 Great White Snark  Mar 21, 2015 9:53:54am

re: #197 freetoken

Then you above all else ought to condemn Netanyahu as he’s trying to scuttle our effort to bring that to pass.

For years now, across administrations, it has been the US approach to offer both carrots and sticks. To the Palestinians who want to live with an existing Israeli state we offer the carrot, while to those who want to destroy an Israeli state we offer the stick.

But now Bibi comes along and says that the carrot won’t be real.

Bibi intentionally tries to subvert US policy for his own (and even his more hardline coalition members’) goals.

Which is just fine for them if they are indeed representing their people (in the current state of Israel), but as an American I say we ought not follow them down their own, ultimately self-fulling destructive, beliefs.

Well said.

210 goddamnedfrank  Mar 21, 2015 10:06:48am

re: #203 Dark_Falcon

We’re all residents of this planet, but ‘citizenship’ is a different, higher concept that I do not regard as applying on a global scale at this time. That’s why I said what I said.

Conservative xenophobia and rejection of the environment in a nutshell. There is really no other reason to even think about rejecting the idea of global citizenship. On some basic level you believe, even now as we sit on the precipice of a global climate disaster, that it’s us or them, not us and them.

211 Varek Raith  Mar 21, 2015 10:10:18am

Rah rah rah!

212 thedopefishlives  Mar 21, 2015 10:11:52am

Time to start grilling again. Today, I’m trying an old trick and a new trick: Using one of McCormick’s pre-mixed marinades, and trying out my smoker box for the first time.

213 goddamnedfrank  Mar 21, 2015 10:15:24am

re: #172 The War TARDIS

I am still in a foul mood. A cold developed on top of being miffed.

I am being told to be patient, but I have been for 2 years. I am tired of being ignored or neglected on yesterdays issue, and I WILL be taken seriously.

WOW two whole years? Have you considered that you are a petulant child with no real sense of time or what is owed to you?

You’ve set these absolutely ridiculous terms and then put the responsibility for them on everyone but yourself. The reason other people aren’t fixing your situation is because they can’t. I’m super sick of your shit now, find your statements progressively inflammatory, appalling, and chock full of red flags.

214 Mattand  Mar 21, 2015 10:15:38am

There’s nothing more irritating than a Republican talking about peace who also defended the “Fuck you, Obama, we want war” letter the 47 idiots in the Senate sent to Iran.

215 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 10:17:53am
216 Lidane  Mar 21, 2015 10:18:33am

Grab yer popcorn, kids. The pissing contest between Glenn Beck and Karl Rove has moved into Facebook rant territory:

217 freetoken  Mar 21, 2015 10:20:44am

In bigger news:

Endangered Species Chocolate launches three new cocoa bars

Endangered Species Chocolate (ESC) has added three new 60% cocoa bars to broaden its Natural Bar product range.

The new products include dark chocolate with lemon poppy seed, dark chocolate with blackberry sage and dark chocolate with cinnamon, cayenne and cherries.

ESC said that these new products offer the perfect complement to its existing indulgent collection of 48%, 72% and 88% cocoa chocolate bars.

Endangered Species Chocolate research and development manager Whitney Bembenick said:: “60 percent dark chocolate is perfect for those consumers seeking a new experience or interested in tip toeing up the dark chocolate spectrum.

“The savory and spicy flavors of these new bars pop best when paired with the sweeter notes of the 60 percent dark chocolate.”

[…]

Yes, I’m into seeking a new experience with the dark chocolate spectrum.

218 Varek Raith  Mar 21, 2015 10:21:25am

re: #216 Lidane

Grab yer popcorn, kids. The pissing contest between Glenn Beck and Karl Rove has moved into Facebook rant territory:

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Damn!

219 karev  Mar 21, 2015 10:22:21am

re: #210 goddamnedfrank

Conservative xenophobia and rejection of the environment in a nutshell. There is really no other reason to even think about rejecting the idea of global citizenship. On some basic level you believe, even now as we sit on the precipice of a global climate disaster, that it’s us or them, not us and them.

Pretty sure if events of Independence Day will come true you will be all ‘it’s us and them, let’s understand them etc’ while me and Dark Falcon will be flying alien ship into their mothership, blowing them to pieces and returning to the hords of gratefull hot chicks.

220 Varek Raith  Mar 21, 2015 10:22:50am

WND: Solar Eclipse A Warning To America About Relationship With Israel
Or orbital mechanics.
Either or.

221 Dark_Falcon  Mar 21, 2015 10:23:20am

re: #213 goddamnedfrank

Go take a long walk off a short pier, asshole. You don’t have the first clue of what’s it’s like for PLL. I do, and and that lets me see your attack on him for the asshole action it is.

222 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 10:23:29am

re: #219 karev

Nobody said there would be alien spaceships today.

223 Varek Raith  Mar 21, 2015 10:23:55am

re: #222 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nobody said there would be alien spaceships today.

Too late!
PEWPEWPEW

224 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 10:24:16am

re: #223 Varek Raith

Too late!
PEWPEWPEW

:D

225 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 10:24:38am

re: #221 Dark_Falcon

Nice going with repeated vulgarity, D_F.

226 Dark_Falcon  Mar 21, 2015 10:27:19am

re: #219 karev

Not me, I’d just be sitting waiting to get blown up. Seriously, if there were that sort of apocalyptic event, then I would not want to survive it.

227 Dark_Falcon  Mar 21, 2015 10:28:08am

re: #225 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nice going with repeated vulgarity, D_F.

Frank pissed me off and I said what I needed to say.

228 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 10:29:10am

re: #227 Dark_Falcon
oh good grief.

229 Great White Snark  Mar 21, 2015 10:31:09am

re: #213 goddamnedfrank

Geez louise ya think ya used a big enough hammer there?

230 Varek Raith  Mar 21, 2015 10:31:11am

re: #226 Dark_Falcon

Not me, I’d just be sitting waiting to get blown up. Seriously, if there were that sort of apocalyptic event, then I would not want to survive it.

I must admit that I laugh at people who build bunkers and prepare to survive WW3.
Why would you want too?
No me.
Fuck that.

231 blueraven  Mar 21, 2015 10:31:48am

re: #226 Dark_Falcon

Not me, I’d just be sitting waiting to get blown up. Seriously, if there were that sort of apocalyptic event, then I would not want to survive it.

Your lack of survival instinct is amazing. Maybe that is why you continue to vote R.

232 Justanotherhuman  Mar 21, 2015 10:31:56am

Four more years! Maybe the Rs will change the 2 terms, like they wanted to for Ronnie…

233 Targetpractice  Mar 21, 2015 10:35:48am

re: #230 Varek Raith

I must admit that I laugh at people who build bunkers and prepare to survive WW3.
Why would you want too?
No me.
Fuck that.

Meanwhile, I’ve bought a spot in my nearest vault. Now I just need to collect more bottlecaps…

//

234 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 10:36:15am

re: #230 Varek Raith

I must admit that I laugh at people who build bunkers and prepare to survive WW3.
Why would you want too?
No me.
Fuck that.

I would miss having the internet and seeing all you fine lizards every day.
And I’d miss having access to a supply of Adelle’s sausages.

But, other than that, an apocalypse wouldn’t change things much here in the backwoods.

Well, unless there’s lots of radiation and stuff…

235 ObserverArt  Mar 21, 2015 10:36:27am

Hey all. Been reading through this thread and wanted to make a couple comments.

If I miss any important Ted Cruz speeches will I be cast into hell forever?

John and George always tethered the balloon known as Sir Paul McCartney.

Some Americans might feel like we are not citizens of the world, but they don’t mind being world soldiers and fucking around in other country’s affairs. Just part of that lovely American arrogance, or something.

It appears goddamnedfrank has found a button that makes Dark_Falcon go into spasms.

Busy day…in and out…between bouts of working on this old house and sporting events…and here!

236 Dark_Falcon  Mar 21, 2015 10:37:39am

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh good grief.

Ba_Sl, I admit I was being protective of PLL, but I do so because I know what’s it like to be him. The guy needs to work through his issues and GDF’s attacks on him make things worse instead of better. And honestly, they remind me of the way I was harassed when I was younger. So I went off on him, and I make no apology for that. It wasn’t classy, because I’m not classy when I’m that angry.

237 The War TARDIS  Mar 21, 2015 10:37:53am

re: #178 Dark_Falcon

So, you don’t want Palestinian State at all.

Because of the settlement though, a Palestinian State is now not viable.

238 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 10:39:59am

re: #236 Dark_Falcon

You could have been satisfied with a downding (you’ve been exercising that a lot this morning).
And you could have posted your disagreement with gdf without calling him what you did. Twice.

239 Varek Raith  Mar 21, 2015 10:40:01am

re: #234 Backwoods_Sleuth

I would miss having the internet and seeing all you fine lizards every day.
And I’d miss having access to a supply of Adelle’s sausages.

But, other than that, an apocalypse wouldn’t change things much here in the backwoods.

Well, unless there’s lots of radiation and stuff…

Good luck, you’ll need it when the radioactive zombie apocalypse starts.
2 apocalypses for the price of 1!

240 Dark_Falcon  Mar 21, 2015 10:40:25am

re: #234 Backwoods_Sleuth

I would miss having the internet and seeing all you fine lizards every day.
And I’d miss having access to a supply of Adelle’s sausages.

But, other than that, an apocalypse wouldn’t change things much here in the backwoods.

Well, unless there’s lots of radiation and stuff…

And I’d want you to make it through, because you strike me as the sort of person who could adapt and keep contributing,

241 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 10:41:14am

re: #239 Varek Raith

Good luck, you’ll need it when the radioactive zombie apocalypse starts.
2 apocalypses for the price of 1!

Not sure how I’ll be able to tell the difference between radioactive zombies and the usual denizens of the backwoods…

If they bring gifts, it’s all good.

242 Targetpractice  Mar 21, 2015 10:41:27am

re: #239 Varek Raith

Good luck, you’ll need it when the radioactive zombie apocalypse starts.
2 apocalypses for the price of 1!

Only really need to worry about ghouls in the metro tunnels. *shudders*

243 Nyet  Mar 21, 2015 10:41:34am

Obviously there are huge problems in the Palestinian society, but they cannot be seen apart from the treatment the Palestinians got for decades. It’s like saying, “Oh, they should just pull up their pants and reduce their crime rates ASAP, maybe then we’ll treat them as equals”. Albeit I do expect such thinking from the GOP and its equivalents.

244 Varek Raith  Mar 21, 2015 10:42:10am

re: #239 Varek Raith

Good luck, you’ll need it when the radioactive zombie apocalypse starts.
2 apocalypses for the price of 1!

Interestingly enough, I think that’s what happened in the game 7 Days to Die.
Either the zombies appeared and we nuked them
or
WW3 happened then zombies appeared.
Fun.

245 thedopefishlives  Mar 21, 2015 10:42:25am

Wow. I leave for a few minutes to cook and the thread goes nuclear. Down, Lizards, we’re all friends here.

246 The War TARDIS  Mar 21, 2015 10:42:58am

re: #236 Dark_Falcon

I can explain the issue.

Most Muslims find people through Family connections.

I don’t have those. I need an alternate, but every time I try, something like this happens. And waiting around will not help. Because of gender separation, I have nearly no way to meet people. And yes, I would prefer to marry in my faith.

247 Targetpractice  Mar 21, 2015 10:43:58am

re: #245 thedopefishlives

Wow. I leave for a few minutes to cook and the thread goes nuclear. Down, Lizards, we’re all friends here.

We’re just exercising our right to bear nuclear arms.

/

248 goddamnedfrank  Mar 21, 2015 10:44:40am

re: #221 Dark_Falcon

Go take a long walk off a short pier, asshole. You don’t have the first clue of what’s it’s like for PLL. I do, and and that lets me see your attack on him for the asshole action it is.

Oh grow up. PLL wants to put all the onus for finding a wife for him on other people, has decided that she must be a muslim, and is upset that other people can’t fix the convert on the spectrum can’t establish his problem. You both bear responsibility for where you are in life and shouldn’t expect other people to solve all your issues for you or get impatient and upset when they can’t.

Do I care that you’re in a very similar boat? No. Take some of that personal responsibility you’re on about and fix your problems yourself. The people here aren’t your psychiatrists, and even if they were you both have consistently ignored the mountains of good advice they’ve given. Now PLL is issuing veiled threats / hints of ultimatums, like acting out is going to make anybody feel better about trying to pair him up with a woman. When I said I’m seeing red flags I meant it. Everyone should see them by now.

249 Dark_Falcon  Mar 21, 2015 10:47:48am

re: #248 goddamnedfrank

I do take responsibility, Frank, and every season I better at interacting with others. But I also remember what it was like before I made those improvements and I’d rather PLL doesn’t fall into the same traps I fell into.

250 No Country For Old Haters  Mar 21, 2015 10:49:45am

re: #220 Varek Raith

WND: Solar Eclipse A Warning To America About Relationship With Israel
Or orbital mechanics.
Either or.

What the fuck did I just read? I knew WND was out there, but my brain is having trouble accepting that this is not parody.

251 goddamnedfrank  Mar 21, 2015 10:50:28am

re: #246 The War TARDIS

I can explain the issue.

Most Muslims find people through Family connections.

I don’t have those. I need an alternate, but every time I try, something like this happens. And waiting around will not help. Because of gender separation, I have nearly no way to meet people. And yes, I would prefer to marry in my faith.

You aren’t most muslims. You should stop trying to be. It’s creepy and they clearly don’t like it. You are always going to be a convert and that comes with being to a certain degree on the outside. If you really absolutely can only consider being in a relationship with another muslim, ignoring how fucked up that is for a moment, go to Kosovo and teach English. It’s a muslim country in Europe and they absolutely LOVE Americans.

Put yourself out there, take a risk, stop trying to shoehorn yourself into a situation where you clearly don’t fit and stop putting the onus on the community to make you fit. Go somewhere where your outsider status is an asset. Go to Kosovo.

252 Varek Raith  Mar 21, 2015 10:51:27am

re: #250 No Country For Old Haters

What the fuck did I just read? I knew WND was out there, but my brain is having trouble accepting that this is not parody.

Don’t think too hard about it.
Your brain will get stuck in a MSDOS loop.

253 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 10:52:09am

re: #246 The War TARDIS

I can explain the issue.

Most Muslims find people through Family connections.

I don’t have those. I need an alternate, but every time I try, something like this happens. And waiting around will not help. Because of gender separation, I have nearly no way to meet people. And yes, I would prefer to marry in my faith.

Understandable.
However, it sounds like you are seriously stressing out looking for a quick solution to your (hopefully) temporary situation.
If family connections is the usual way to go and gender separation is problematic, then you need to start building serious friendships/relationships with the male members of your community.
Take honest stock of yourself and look for which of your qualities are ones they would look at as positives for their sisters/cousins/whoever and which ones are not. Make yourself an attractive possible match for their female relatives.
Also, there is the condition you have that the woman should not be a convert. Switch that around: how would you feel if the fact that you are a convert yourself is the reason no one is willing to be matchmaker for you?

254 thedopefishlives  Mar 21, 2015 10:53:19am

re: #252 Varek Raith

Don’t think too hard about.
Your brain will get stuck in a MSDOS loop.

10 PRINT “DERP”
20 GOTO 10

255 Nyet  Mar 21, 2015 10:53:35am

re: #253 Backwoods_Sleuth

Also, there is the condition you have that the woman should not not be a convert. Switch that around: how would you feel if the fact that you are a convert yourself is the reason no one is willing to be matchmaker for you?

Bingo.

256 Nyet  Mar 21, 2015 10:54:11am

re: #254 thedopefishlives

10 PRINT “DERP”
20 GOTO OH LOOK SQUIRREL

FTFY

257 Romantic Heretic  Mar 21, 2015 10:55:05am

re: #203 Dark_Falcon

We’re all residents of this planet, but ‘citizenship’ is a different, higher concept that I do not regard as applying on a global scale at this time. That’s why I said what I said.

Sigh.

The hardest thing Americans are going to have to do in this generation is get used to the idea that the United States is just another country. Still a very big and very powerful country to be sure, but not “the indispensable nation, not a beacon of liberty shining into the darkness, and not the only great power that matters.

Gwynne Dyer - Future: Tense. The Coming World Order

A fine demonstration of how difficult that is going to be for many Americans, D_F.

258 thedopefishlives  Mar 21, 2015 10:55:07am

re: #256 Nyet

FTFY

And the fact that this fixed sequence would send the computer off into uncharted memory territory is, actually, quite apropos.

259 b_sharp  Mar 21, 2015 10:56:23am

Hey assholes shut the fuck up.

If you want to attack someone personally then go join Twitter, it has lots of shitheads worth pissing on. LGF is supposed to be about attacking ideas not people and I for one am getting a little tired of the personal sniping.

260 Nyet  Mar 21, 2015 10:58:27am

0_0

261 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 11:00:59am

re: #259 b_sharp

Hey assholes shut the fuck up.

If you want to attack someone personally then go join Twitter, it has lots of shitheads worth pissing on. LGF is supposed to be about attacking ideas not people and I for one am getting a little tired of the personal sniping.

It’s the first full day of Spring.

Some folks are getting a wee bit frisky…

262 Nyet  Mar 21, 2015 11:01:04am

re: #258 thedopefishlives

And the fact that this fixed sequence would send the computer off into uncharted memory territory is, actually, quite apropos.

Now I get it. WND is just a WiNDows fatal error…

263 The War TARDIS  Mar 21, 2015 11:02:02am

re: #255 Nyet

I see the point.

However, I I trust myself not to become radical. But it seems that converts are more likely to go radical in the US than the others. Since I can’t read people, I can not see the warning signs. So, I am trying to go with the most conservative position.

I know I need help. I am mad that, I am doing everything right, tried everything. And then, when the person told me that they didn’t get to me because they want to handle those who put forward the forms before November, then told to be patient with no timetable, then a Smiley-Face, I pretty much went to the Dark Water mode. I am getting ignored. I will not be ignored.

264 b_sharp  Mar 21, 2015 11:02:35am

re: #260 Nyet

0_0

Yes sometimes I get pissed off.

265 allegro  Mar 21, 2015 11:02:41am

re: #253 Backwoods_Sleuth

Understandable.
However, it sounds like you are seriously stressing out looking for a quick solution to your (hopefully) temporary situation.
If family connections is the usual way to go and gender separation is problematic, then you need to start building serious friendships/relationships with the male members of your community.
Take honest stock of yourself and look for which of your qualities are ones they would look at as positives for their sisters/cousins/whoever and which ones are not. Make yourself an attractive possible match for their female relatives.
Also, there is the condition you have that the woman should not be a convert. Switch that around: how would you feel if the fact that you are a convert yourself is the reason no one is willing to be matchmaker for you?

I find this whole thing disturbing. Women are being discussed as though we are commodities to be bargained for among the menfolk.

266 Nyet  Mar 21, 2015 11:04:23am

re: #264 b_sharp

I guess I didn’t get at whom. :)

267 The War TARDIS  Mar 21, 2015 11:04:52am

re: #265 allegro

That’s not it!

I trying to get help for matchmaking. I was then given the answer “wait.” And then didn’t say for how long.

While I will not do this, I do notice that many converts are leaving because of lack of attention or inability to get help on various issues.

268 nkdee  Mar 21, 2015 11:04:57am

re: #216 Lidane

The comments are entertaining. They can’t Beck as a oil salesman,..and Rove is old school. Love it!

269 Varek Raith  Mar 21, 2015 11:05:00am

re: #266 Nyet

I guess I didn’t get at whom. :)

It was totally you.
/

270 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 11:05:47am

re: #265 allegro

I find this whole thing disturbing. Women are being discussed as though we are commodities to be bargained for among the menfolk.

Indeed.
However, apparently that is the reality for PLL, given his very narrow requirements for a potential match.

He might be surprised that many Muslim American women are not interested in those sorts of “matches” anymore.

271 Nyet  Mar 21, 2015 11:06:26am

re: #269 Varek Raith

It was totally you.
/

No, it was the dog.

<.<
>.>
<.>

272 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 11:09:19am

re: #267 The War TARDIS

That’s not it!

I trying to get help for matchmaking. I was then given the answer “wait.” And then didn’t say for how long.

While I will not do this, I do notice that many converts are leaving because of lack of attention or inability to get help on various issues.

You are still very young. Even though I’m old enough to be your grandmother, I still remember what it was like to be your age.

Knowing what I know now, I have to smile a bit at your anxiety.
Just a bit.

273 allegro  Mar 21, 2015 11:09:45am

re: #267 The War TARDIS

That’s not it!

I trying to get help for matchmaking. I was then given the answer “wait.” And then didn’t say for how long.

While I will not do this, I do notice that many converts are leaving because of lack of attention or inability to get help on various issues.

Actually that is it in a nutshell. You seem to want to place your order for a wife and you’re pissed off that no one is jumping to fill it. That sounds like some serious MRA bullshit.

274 b_sharp  Mar 21, 2015 11:09:51am

re: #271 Nyet

No, it was the dog.

<.<
>.>
<.>

The shit is on the floor and needs to be cleaned up no matter the source.

275 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 21, 2015 11:10:40am

i have to say i do think bug spray is appropriate when faced with a dangerous species such as humans

276 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 11:10:47am

re: #263 The War TARDIS

I see the point.

However, I I trust myself not to become radical. But it seems that converts are more likely to go radical in the US than the others. Since I can’t read people, I can not see the warning signs. So, I am trying to go with the most conservative position.

I know I need help. I am mad that, I am doing everything right, tried everything. And then, when the person told me that they didn’t get to me because they want to handle those who put forward the forms before November, then told to be patient with no timetable, then a Smiley-Face, I pretty much went to the Dark Water mode. I am getting ignored. I will not be ignored.

What “warning signs”? There are none, (ETA:) that are easy to miss, even for you.
Did I miss the statistics showing that converts going radical in America are such a huge problem?

277 A Cranky One  Mar 21, 2015 11:12:24am

re: #274 b_sharp

The shit is on the floor and needs to be cleaned up no matter the source.

Dang it, did upchuck get in here? Who left the door open? ///

278 #FergusonFireside  Mar 21, 2015 11:13:48am

I have bed head and zero food in the house.

My first world problem.

279 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 21, 2015 11:14:33am

i’m looking forward to publishing the premiere issue of my new magazine for 21st century american employees, Hamster World

280 Varek Raith  Mar 21, 2015 11:14:53am

re: #278 #FergusonFireside

I have bed head and zero food in the house.

My first world problem.

I ‘have’ to clean a shed and de-bug it.
Yeah…
No.

281 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 11:15:06am
282 The War TARDIS  Mar 21, 2015 11:15:24am

re: #276 Backwoods_Sleuth

News stories about coverts going over to ISIS.

re: #273 allegro

I am not waiting for someone to be brought to me. I need a way to meet people, and this is literally all i came up with.

283 thedopefishlives  Mar 21, 2015 11:16:06am

Ah, that was delicious. Grilled pork chops with a “Backyard Brew” marinade. Practically falling off the bone and done to perfection. The hickory smoker didn’t work quite as well as I’d hoped, so I’ll have to try something different next time.

284 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 11:17:54am

re: #282 The War TARDIS

News stories about coverts going over to ISIS.

“News stories”? Really, those are your statistics for this being some huge problem?

285 justaminute  Mar 21, 2015 11:18:07am

I haven’t commented here in quite a while but here goes:

I have been married to an Iranian-American for 35 years. We travel to the ME and Iran often.

I am somewhat sorry along with being slightly amused by the gentleman’s hope for a Muslim bride.

I know scads of Muslim women and have yet to see a marriage arranged by Parent’s anymore. Their American Muslim woman and they can find their own mate…thank you very much.

Yes, the family will be consulted but they usually go along with their daughter and the majority are college educated and more often than not professional.

And as the young man has demands…let me tell you…she will have a long list of her own…..like my daughter has.

So good luck with that…

286 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 11:19:30am

re: #282 The War TARDIS

I am not waiting for someone to be brought to me. I need a way to meet people, and this is literally all i came up with.

Go back and read my #253

287 #FergusonFireside  Mar 21, 2015 11:19:35am

Nice seeing you again Justa!

288 Varek Raith  Mar 21, 2015 11:20:17am

re: #285 justaminute
Yo!

289 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 11:20:46am

re: #283 thedopefishlives

Ah, that was delicious. Grilled pork chops with a “Backyard Brew” marinade. Practically falling off the bone and done to perfection. The hickory smoker didn’t work quite as well as I’d hoped, so I’ll have to try something different next time.

Did you soak the hickory chips/bark long enough?
Really, moisture is very important. We soak the chips/bark overnight.

290 justaminute  Mar 21, 2015 11:20:57am

re: #287 #FergusonFireside

Hi you!

Just returned from a trip with a bad head cold and thought I would cruise LGF.

How are you doing?

291 Nyet  Mar 21, 2015 11:21:06am

re: #281 Backwoods_Sleuth

Such smug mugs!

292 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 11:22:02am

re: #291 Nyet

Such smug mugs!

But they look so HAPPY!!!!

293 #FergusonFireside  Mar 21, 2015 11:22:05am
294 thedopefishlives  Mar 21, 2015 11:22:22am

re: #289 Backwoods_Sleuth

Did you soak the hickory chips/bark long enough?
Really, moisture is very important. We soak the chips/bark overnight.

They soaked for a couple of hours; the directions only said 30 minutes. It also said to use a foil pan or a foil packet with air holes. I have an actual box, but it didn’t appear to get very warm, so I’m thinking I need to put it closer to the heat.

295 Nyet  Mar 21, 2015 11:22:50am

re: #292 Backwoods_Sleuth

But they look so HAPPY!!!!

And tasty.

296 #FergusonFireside  Mar 21, 2015 11:23:14am

re: #290 justaminute

Hi you!

Just returned from a trip with a bad head cold and thought I would cruise LGF.

How are you doing?

All good! Amazing how long we’ve been on LGF.

297 thedopefishlives  Mar 21, 2015 11:23:14am

re: #290 justaminute

Hi you!

Just returned from a trip with a bad head cold and thought I would cruise LGF.

How are you doing?

Good to see you! LGF is good for what ails you. Unless you’re suffering from the stupid, then we just prefer to put you out of your misery.

298 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 11:23:31am

re: #293 #FergusonFireside

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“Warning: Choking Hazard” must be the unnamed 11th plague…

299 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 11:24:31am

re: #294 thedopefishlives

They soaked for a couple of hours; the directions only said 30 minutes. It also said to use a foil pan or a foil packet with air holes. I have an actual box, but it didn’t appear to get very warm, so I’m thinking I need to put it closer to the heat.

yes, the box has to get very warm, if not out-and-out hot.

300 thedopefishlives  Mar 21, 2015 11:25:23am

re: #299 Backwoods_Sleuth

yes, the box has to get very warm, if not out-and-out hot.

Yeah, I think that was the problem. I’ll see if I can find room in my grill and put it directly on the gas bar, where I can directly control the temperature of the box.

301 Varek Raith  Mar 21, 2015 11:25:29am

#FergusonFireside (Stanley Sea)
Registered since: Oct 8, 2009 at 1:24 pm

Varek Raith
Registered since: Oct 8, 2009 at 1:22 pm

Totally not weird.
XD

302 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 11:26:17am

re: #301 Varek Raith

#FergusonFireside (Stanley Sea)
Registered since: Oct 8, 2009 at 1:24 pm

Varek Raith
Registered since: Oct 8, 2009 at 1:22 pm

Totally not weird.
XD

We haz LGF twins!!!

303 Nyet  Mar 21, 2015 11:26:36am

re: #301 Varek Raith

#FergusonFireside (Stanley Sea)
Registered since: Oct 8, 2009 at 1:24 pm

Varek Raith
Registered since: Oct 8, 2009 at 1:22 pm

Totally not weird.
XD

OK, fess up who is the sock.

304 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 11:27:40am

Sitting here wondering how long I will procrastinate this year before starting to sort out our tax returns…

305 Varek Raith  Mar 21, 2015 11:28:25am

re: #304 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sitting here wondering how long I will procrastinate this year before starting to sort out our tax returns…

If it makes you feel better, I already did mine.
:P

306 #FergusonFireside  Mar 21, 2015 11:29:22am

re: #301 Varek Raith

#FergusonFireside (Stanley Sea)
Registered since: Oct 8, 2009 at 1:24 pm

Varek Raith
Registered since: Oct 8, 2009 at 1:22 pm

Totally not weird.
XD

My brother.

307 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 11:29:45am

re: #305 Varek Raith

If it makes you feel better, I already did mine.
:P

I finally got around to downloading the TaxAct software last night, so I’m ahead of last year’s schedule…

308 justaminute  Mar 21, 2015 11:30:47am

re: #297 thedopefishlives

Suffering from the stupid? A cold and returning after 25 days…well let’s just say, my husband is trying to find a good excuse to get out of the house. If that tells you anything! Ha ha

309 Nyet  Mar 21, 2015 11:31:15am

re: #306 #FergusonFireside

Big brother!

310 PhillyPretzel  Mar 21, 2015 11:31:18am

re: #307 Backwoods_Sleuth

I handed everything to my accountant and faxed back the e-authorization and now I am waiting for the refund.

311 Varek Raith  Mar 21, 2015 11:31:33am

And I always end up owing the state.
Thanks, Obama.
Er…
Something!

312 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 11:34:07am

re: #311 Varek Raith

And I always end up owing the state.
Thanks, Obama.
Er…
Something!

I always end up paying a couple hundred to the state, and get a few thousand back from the feds.
I just hate trying to track down all the wiggly odd income bits. I always put them in “safe places”…but they end up being different places that I forget…

*sigh*

313 Justanotherhuman  Mar 21, 2015 11:34:50am

Huge weapons cache seized in car en route Istanbul

hurriyetdailynews.com

“Turkish police have seized a large weapons cache in a car going from the western province of Kocaeli toward Istanbul.

“The car entered Turkey from Syria, carrying a licence plate registered in the southeastern Turkish province of Gaziantep, Doᇺn News Agency reported March 21.

“22 full-automatic rifles, a Russian-made heavy machine gun, eight grenades and some 2,700 bullets were found by the police who searched the car in Kocaeli’s Gebze district after an unnamed informer alerted security services.

“The driver of the car, as well as his pregnant wife and their child who were also in the car, have been detained.” More

Who the hell takes their family on a weapons run?

314 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 11:35:06am

re: #310 PhillyPretzel

I handed everything to my accountant and faxed back the e-authorization and now I am waiting for the refund.

sadly, I’m the accountant.

315 Varek Raith  Mar 21, 2015 11:35:45am

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

I always end up paying a couple hundred to the state, and get a few thousand back from the feds.
I just hate trying to track down all the wiggly odd income bits. I always put them in “safe places”…but they end up being different places that I forget…

*sigh*

Yep. Same here.
I’ll figure this all out one of these years.
Or not.
XD

316 allegro  Mar 21, 2015 11:39:10am

re: #313 Justanotherhuman

Huge weapons cache seized in car en route Istanbul

hurriyetdailynews.com

Who the hell takes their family on a weapons run?

Exactly. Question kinda answers itself, don’t it. Unfortunately for them, their cover didn’t work this time.

317 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 11:42:03am

BE AFRAID!!! SECURE YER WIMMEN AND CHILDRENZ!!!

318 thedopefishlives  Mar 21, 2015 11:42:18am

re: #311 Varek Raith

And I always end up owing the state.
Thanks, Obama.
Er…
Something!

The main advantage of having fishspawn: A big fat check from the federal and state governments each year.

319 PhillyPretzel  Mar 21, 2015 11:43:34am

re: #318 thedopefishlives

Since I own a house and I pay mortgage interest and real estate taxes I itemize.

320 Charles Johnson  Mar 21, 2015 11:44:16am

A map made of BEES

321 thedopefishlives  Mar 21, 2015 11:44:36am

re: #319 PhillyPretzel

Since I own a house and I pay mortgage interest and real estate taxes I itemize.

I have all of those, too. As well as a big fat mileage deduction for the distance I have to drive to work every day.

322 blueraven  Mar 21, 2015 11:45:07am

re: #263 The War TARDIS

I see the point.

However, I I trust myself not to become radical. But it seems that converts are more likely to go radical in the US than the others. Since I can’t read people, I can not see the warning signs. So, I am trying to go with the most conservative position.

I know I need help. I am mad that, I am doing everything right, tried everything. And then, when the person told me that they didn’t get to me because they want to handle those who put forward the forms before November, then told to be patient with no timetable, then a Smiley-Face, I pretty much went to the Dark Water mode. I am getting ignored. I will not be ignored.

…

323 PhillyPretzel  Mar 21, 2015 11:45:21am

re: #320 Charles Johnson

Wow. That is a beautiful.

324 Targetpractice  Mar 21, 2015 11:47:10am

DARVO in action yet again:

325 thedopefishlives  Mar 21, 2015 11:47:27am

re: #324 Targetpractice

DARVO in action yet again:

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What the…

*flips desk, lights on fire*

326 Dr Lizardo  Mar 21, 2015 11:47:43am

re: #320 Charles Johnson

A map made of BEES

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I, for one, welcome our new bee overlords.

327 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 11:48:03am

re: #319 PhillyPretzel

I own but paid cash for it, so have no mortgage. RE property taxes are a touch over $600 a year.
Wish we could write off MrBWS’s apartment rent, though. If he commuted home every day, travel costs would be much higher and he wouldn’t get much sleep.

328 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 11:48:41am

hahahaaa!

329 Nyet  Mar 21, 2015 11:49:48am

re: #328 Backwoods_Sleuth

Because cat logic, that’s why.

330 PhillyPretzel  Mar 21, 2015 11:50:14am

re: #328 Backwoods_Sleuth

I feel sorry for the gray and white cat. He is blamed for that danged squirrel did to the orange tabby. :(

331 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 11:50:20am

re: #329 Nyet

Because cat logic, that’s why.

Seems like some internet logic, too. :D

332 Nyet  Mar 21, 2015 11:50:23am

Or they are just playing tag.

333 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 11:50:55am

re: #332 Nyet

Or they are just playing tag.

and squirrel won!

334 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 11:52:35am

Ginger cat looked right at the squirrel and decided to pop the grey & white cat instead.

Bastard!

335 Nyet  Mar 21, 2015 11:53:36am

re: #334 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bully cat.

336 A Cranky One  Mar 21, 2015 11:53:48am

re: #333 Backwoods_Sleuth

and squirrel won!

SQUIRREL??? WHERE????

337 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 11:53:58am

re: #335 Nyet

Bully cat.

If UpChuck was a cat…

338 sagehen  Mar 21, 2015 11:55:14am

re: #317 Backwoods_Sleuth

Whites of European descent, the majority in America for 200 years, will be a minority by 2044

Until and unless you remember that Spain is in Europe.

339 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 21, 2015 11:56:22am

re: #317 Backwoods_Sleuth

BE AFRAID!!! SECURE YER WIMMEN AND CHILDRENZ!!!

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what ever happened to fear of the united states being taken over by jews, italians and - gasp! - the irish?

340 Varek Raith  Mar 21, 2015 11:56:53am

re: #336 A Cranky One

SQUIRREL??? WHERE????

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Take my bone, just don’t hurt meh!
- Dog

341 Nyet  Mar 21, 2015 11:57:27am

re: #339 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

They are all white now.

342 A Cranky One  Mar 21, 2015 11:57:59am

re: #337 Backwoods_Sleuth

If UpChuck was a cat…

343 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 11:58:07am

re: #338 sagehen

Until and unless you remember that Spain is in Europe.

They don’t count. Neither do anyone from the Mediterranean.

344 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 11:58:37am

re: #342 A Cranky One

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Need mohr updings!

345 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 21, 2015 12:01:30pm

Morning Lizards.

I convinced the husband that it was ok to have an accountant do the taxes for us again this year, so two weeks ago I got all the paperwork together and scanned and then mailed him a DVD of it. Now waiting for the verdict on what the numbers will be.

I could have done it myself but a) although I am unemployed I have been busy working on that project and b) if I manage some level of successful self-employment in the next several months, I want the ability to dump all the tax issues on someone else’s lap.

346 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 21, 2015 12:03:31pm

re: #327 Backwoods_Sleuth

I own but paid cash for it, so have no mortgage. RE property taxes are a touch over $600 a year.
Wish we could write off MrBWS’s apartment rent, though. If he commuted home every day, travel costs would be much higher and he wouldn’t get much sleep.

We paid off the mortgage last year so this is our last year with interest deductions (which were honestly getting pretty low anyway).

Property taxes would be a lot higher except this is CA and Prop 13 has long, long-term consequences. See: the decline of the school system.

347 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 12:04:40pm

re: #345 klys (maker of Silmarils)

jeebus, you did what I consider the hard part!
For me, the actual tax returns take up about an hour or so.
Organizing the paperwork documentation is the nightmare part.

348 PhillyPretzel  Mar 21, 2015 12:05:40pm

re: #347 Backwoods_Sleuth

And figuring out which law applies to which deduction. ::: shudder ::::

349 thedopefishlives  Mar 21, 2015 12:06:01pm

re: #345 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Morning Lizards.

I convinced the husband that it was ok to have an accountant do the taxes for us again this year, so two weeks ago I got all the paperwork together and scanned and then mailed him a DVD of it. Now waiting for the verdict on what the numbers will be.

I could have done it myself but a) although I am unemployed I have been busy working on that project and b) if I manage some level of successful self-employment in the next several months, I want the ability to dump all the tax issues on someone else’s lap.

I’m glad I caught you. I know you were part of the deep conversation we were having last night, and I don’t know if you read the rest of this thread. Things took a good turn with Mrs. Fish last night and I think we’ll be okay.

350 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 21, 2015 12:07:08pm

re: #347 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus, you did what I consider the hard part!
For me, the actual tax returns take up about an hour or so.
Organizing the paperwork documentation is the nightmare part.

I have a list from last year’s taxes (and the scanned documentation), and all miscellaneous receipts (for things like deductions) get put in an envelope that lives in the closet during the year. So in the end it is a matter of getting all the forms that don’t get mailed but are instead downloaded, and scanning the paperwork.

That was still probably a good 4 hours worth of work or so, but …going through and entering things, and triple checking, and verifying that I understand what the hell is going on to the best of my ability …that tends to take more like 12.

351 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 21, 2015 12:08:21pm

re: #349 thedopefishlives

I’m glad I caught you. I know you were part of the deep conversation we were having last night, and I don’t know if you read the rest of this thread. Things took a good turn with Mrs. Fish last night and I think we’ll be okay.

That is fantastic news to hear! I am rooting for you both.

352 Varek Raith  Mar 21, 2015 12:08:25pm

You know it’s going to be ‘fun’ when you open the shed and your first thought is to toss a grenade.

353 thedopefishlives  Mar 21, 2015 12:08:40pm

re: #352 Varek Raith

You know it’s going to be ‘fun’ when you open the shed and your first thought is to toss a grenade.

Spring Cleaning, pyromaniac style.

354 thedopefishlives  Mar 21, 2015 12:10:20pm

I bid you farewell, gentle lizardfolk. Enjoy the day.

355 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 12:10:45pm

re: #348 PhillyPretzel

And figuring out which law applies to which deduction. ::: shudder ::::

Oh yeah. I’ve got an annual Master Tobacco Settlement payment that has to be split up between interest income, farm income and long-term capital gains. Last year’s sequestration has totally screwed that up because I got only a fraction of the payment and it messes up all of the previous years’ calculations.
For the measly $1100-something normal payment it was a ridiculous amount of computation. The 2014 payment was about a third of that and I still can’t figure out if I’m supposed to report the entire amount I was supposed to get or what I actually got.
2014 was supposed to be the last year (the MTS was for 10 years) but I have a sinking feeling the nightmare will continue a while longer…

356 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 12:11:44pm

re: #352 Varek Raith

You know it’s going to be ‘fun’ when you open the shed and your first thought is to toss a grenade.

Sometimes you have to destroy the shed to save it…

357 ObserverArt  Mar 21, 2015 12:12:42pm

re: #281 Backwoods_Sleuth

Animal Planet @MeetAnimals

Newborn Alpacas anyone

They look like a happy group of youngsters.

Can’t say I’ve ever seen images of baby alpacas before. They seem to have big smiles on their faces…especially the one on the right.

358 Varek Raith  Mar 21, 2015 12:14:44pm

re: #356 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sometimes you have to destroy the shed to save it…

Yep.
Which is why I’ll take the lawn mower out and flood the shed with a hose.
Yeah…
/Not caring at this point.

;)

359 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 21, 2015 12:15:38pm

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh yeah. I’ve got an annual Master Tobacco Settlement payment that has to be split up between interest income, farm income and long-term capital gains. Last year’s sequestration has totally screwed that up because I got only a fraction of the payment and it messes up all of the previous years’ calculations.
For the measly $1100-something normal payment it was a ridiculous amount of computation. The 2014 payment was about a third of that and I still can’t figure out if I’m supposed to report the entire amount I was supposed to get or what I actually got.
2014 was supposed to be the last year (the MTS was for 10 years) but I have a sinking feeling the nightmare will continue a while longer…

Employee stock purchase plans, where you can purchase stock at a discount.

That difference between the normal purchase price and the discounted purchase price you get is considered regular income and taxed as such. And then anything over the normal purchase price (assuming you are able to sell at a profit) is capital gains.

And it wasn’t until 2010 that companies were required to send out the information in an easy to keep track of form to allow you to calculate the regular income portion.

We have a whole spreadsheet, which was a giant bitch to come up with and is now mostly irrelevant because the new company does the things differently. Just until we finish getting rid of the previous holdings.

360 Targetpractice  Mar 21, 2015 12:16:51pm

After the last time I went in my shed, which ended with the discovery of a Black Widow, I refuse to go in there again. *shudders*

361 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 12:16:55pm

re: #357 ObserverArt

They are adorable and I would love to have some but they are so outrageously expensive.
I should probably check and see if there’s an alpaca rescue group somewhere within a hundred miles or so…

362 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 12:18:00pm

re: #360 Targetpractice

After the last time I went in my shed, which ended with the discovery of a Black Widow, I refuse to go in there again. *shudders*

If ever there was a legitimate reason for the invention of a flamethrower.

363 A Cranky One  Mar 21, 2015 12:18:58pm

re: #352 Varek Raith

You know it’s going to be ‘fun’ when you open the shed and your first thought is to toss a grenade.

…

364 Decatur Deb  Mar 21, 2015 12:20:21pm

re: #294 thedopefishlives

They soaked for a couple of hours; the directions only said 30 minutes. It also said to use a foil pan or a foil packet with air holes. I have an actual box, but it didn’t appear to get very warm, so I’m thinking I need to put it closer to the heat.

I rest mine directly on the coals. A little tinfoil boat is all you need.

365 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 21, 2015 12:20:46pm

re: #360 Targetpractice

After the last time I went in my shed, which ended with the discovery of a Black Widow, I refuse to go in there again. *shudders*

Driving along US 6 in Nevada (which seriously is the fucking loneliest road, ignore what they say about US 50, I’ve driven both), there was a stretch where I was desperate for a bathroom. Because that is what happens when you drink a lot of soda.

Anyway, we finally come up on a set of vault toilets in what appears to be a campground/rest area (out in the middle of fucking nowhere, because seriously, LONELIEST ROAD EVER), and I am relieved to find that one of them is unlocked.

Up until the point where, as I am taking care of things, I realize there is a black widow on the wall.

DO NOT TAKE US 6.

366 ObserverArt  Mar 21, 2015 12:20:47pm

re: #330 PhillyPretzel

I feel sorry for the gray and white cat. He is blamed for that danged squirrel did to the orange tabby. :(

It looked to me like the Orange Tabby was pissed the other cat didn’t prevent the squirrel from poking him.

“Hey, why didn’t you stop the little tree rat from messing with me? Why don’t you have my back? Some friend, punk!”

367 Dr Lizardo  Mar 21, 2015 12:20:47pm

Because we all need a chanteuse in our lives.

…

368 Varek Raith  Mar 21, 2015 12:23:03pm

The saving grace of the black widow is that it tends to be scared shitless of anything.

369 Charles Johnson  Mar 21, 2015 12:23:13pm
370 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 21, 2015 12:23:23pm

re: #368 Varek Raith

The saving grace of the black widow is that it tends to be scared shitless of anything.

Hahaha, well, let me tell you, I was scared shitless of it.

371 Romantic Heretic  Mar 21, 2015 12:23:28pm

re: #349 thedopefishlives

I’m glad I caught you. I know you were part of the deep conversation we were having last night, and I don’t know if you read the rest of this thread. Things took a good turn with Mrs. Fish last night and I think we’ll be okay.

That’s good news. :)

372 Varek Raith  Mar 21, 2015 12:24:23pm

re: #370 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Hahaha, well, let me tell you, I was scared shitless of it.

XD

At least it wasn’t one of these SoBs.
en.wikipedia.org

373 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 21, 2015 12:24:44pm

re: #372 Varek Raith

XD

At least it wasn’t one of these SoBs.
en.wikipedia.org

NOPE.

374 Varek Raith  Mar 21, 2015 12:26:06pm

re: #373 klys (maker of Silmarils)

NOPE.

Being an Aussie spider, this thing is aggressive and mean as hell.
It will chase you.
:/

375 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 21, 2015 12:26:25pm

re: #374 Varek Raith

Being an Aussie spider, this thing is aggressive and mean as hell.
It will chase you.
:/

…why do I want to go to Australia again?

376 Decatur Deb  Mar 21, 2015 12:26:46pm

re: #365 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Driving along US 6 in Nevada (which seriously is the fucking loneliest road, ignore what they say about US 50, I’ve driven both), there was a stretch where I was desperate for a bathroom. Because that is what happens when you drink a lot of soda.

Anyway, we finally come up on a set of vault toilets in what appears to be a campground/rest area (out in the middle of fucking nowhere, because seriously, LONELIEST ROAD EVER), and I am relieved to find that one of them is unlocked.

Up until the point where, as I am taking care of things, I realize there is a black widow on the wall.

DO NOT TAKE US 6.

If it’s that lonely, who need toilets?

377 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 21, 2015 12:27:00pm

re: #376 Decatur Deb

If it’s that lonely, who need toilets?

Me.

378 Varek Raith  Mar 21, 2015 12:27:22pm

re: #375 klys (maker of Silmarils)

…why do I want to go to Australia again?

Simple.
You don’t.

379 wrenchwench  Mar 21, 2015 12:28:15pm

Best weapon against spiders (or small yellow sheep): a broom.

380 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 21, 2015 12:28:35pm

re: #379 wrenchwench

Best weapon against spiders (or small yellow sheep): a broom.

…small yellow sheep? Do I want to know?

381 Decatur Deb  Mar 21, 2015 12:28:59pm

re: #377 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Me.

Don’t you guys do field work?

amazon.com

382 Targetpractice  Mar 21, 2015 12:29:44pm

re: #379 wrenchwench

Best weapon against spiders (or small yellow sheep): a broom.

Unless it’s a Brazilian Wandering Spider, in which case that mean fucker will climb the broom to bite you.

383 wrenchwench  Mar 21, 2015 12:29:48pm

re: #380 klys (maker of Silmarils)

…small yellow sheep? Do I want to know?

Only Corgis need be concerned (and find broom-handling difficult).

384 Archangelus  Mar 21, 2015 12:29:50pm

re: #372 Varek Raith

XD

At least it wasn’t one of these SoBs.
en.wikipedia.org

385 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 21, 2015 12:29:53pm

re: #381 Decatur Deb

Don’t you guys do field work?

amazon.com

I was exclusively lab-based. Natural samples have far too many components when we are talking about composition, we’re still at the basics in terms of understanding.

386 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 12:30:15pm

Parking this here for ggt:

387 Targetpractice  Mar 21, 2015 12:30:32pm

re: #372 Varek Raith

XD

At least it wasn’t one of these SoBs.
en.wikipedia.org

388 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 21, 2015 12:31:31pm

re: #383 wrenchwench

Only Corgis need be concerned (and find broom-handling difficult).

Right, not awake yet.

Do I let the cats in to harass the husband so I can go get a glass of ice water…

389 The War TARDIS  Mar 21, 2015 12:31:46pm

I have calmed down a little bit. I can see how I was demanding.

I shouldn’t have gotten so angry at being told they will get to me eventually.

390 Archangelus  Mar 21, 2015 12:32:20pm

re: #382 Targetpractice

Unless it’s a Brazilian Wandering Spider, in which case that mean fucker will climb the broom to bite you.

391 wrenchwench  Mar 21, 2015 12:32:48pm

re: #388 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Right, not awake yet.

Do I let the cats in to harass the husband so I can go get a glass of ice water…

Fair game after noon.

392 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 21, 2015 12:33:36pm

re: #391 wrenchwench

Fair game after noon.

He did say he was mostly just resting.

I will go make sure all hair ties are corralled (because really, I don’t want to go to the emergency vet today) and then let the cats loose.

393 ObserverArt  Mar 21, 2015 12:34:01pm

re: #386 Backwoods_Sleuth

Parking this here for ggt:

Cute little German Shepherd Police Doggie

She’s gonna wwwaaaaaaaaaaannnttt one!

394 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 12:34:24pm

re: #389 The War TARDIS

I have calmed dow a little bit. I can see how I was demanding.

I shouldn’t have gotten so angry at being told they will get to me eventually.

Good for you.
That sad old saying “good things come to those who wait” sounds like crap to those who are told to wait.
OTOH, what really matters is how you spend your time and energy while waiting. Proactive is much better than stewing in a sea of grrr…

395 Varek Raith  Mar 21, 2015 12:34:34pm

re: #387 Targetpractice

[Embedded content]

Ah, Yukari-sensei.
…

396 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 12:34:59pm

re: #393 ObserverArt

She’s gonna wwwaaaaaaaaaaannnttt one!

indeed she will!

397 Justanotherhuman  Mar 21, 2015 12:35:13pm

With all this tax talk, it’s good not to have to file anymore. That’s what happens when your only income is SS and you own nothing at all except personal possessions. When I was making a lowly $35K back in the ’90s, I had to buy another house because the one I’d been in for 14 yrs had little interest to offset my earnings as a single (kids were grown, of course) and I’m sure I was paying more taxes as a percent of income than Warren Buffett.

I’m sure the Rs could come up with a way to tax personal possessions, though. : )

398 Romantic Heretic  Mar 21, 2015 12:36:42pm

re: #372 Varek Raith

XD

At least it wasn’t one of these SoBs.
en.wikipedia.org

That ain’t the half of it.

399 A Cranky One  Mar 21, 2015 12:38:36pm

re: #389 The War TARDIS

I have calmed down a little bit. I can see how I was demanding.

I shouldn’t have gotten so angry at being told they will get to me eventually.

Good for you. It’s a difficult situation for sure, but don’t alienate those whose help you’ll need or give yourself a reputation as a jerk. Neither will be beneficial long term.

Folks care and have offered some good advice. And I’m sure they will continue to do so. You aren’t without friends or support.

400 Archangelus  Mar 21, 2015 12:39:06pm

re: #398 Romantic Heretic

That ain’t the half of it.

* Cowers in the safe, secure corner from which nothing can sneak on him, hugging self and whimpering *

In seriousness though, ” Things in Australia that Will Not Kill You…. Hugh Jackman seems nice” cracked me up..

401 Justanotherhuman  Mar 21, 2015 12:39:21pm

Holy shit.

Sheriff: 6 Molotov cocktails found in bag carried by suspect in machete attack at New Orleans airport - @FoxNews, @Reuters
end of alert

402 The War TARDIS  Mar 21, 2015 12:41:11pm

re: #394 Backwoods_Sleuth

The thing also is, I don’t want someone submissive. I do want someone who will have their own strong personality.

403 Justanotherhuman  Mar 21, 2015 12:41:19pm

UCLA is first to qualify for the Sweet 16 after turning aside University of Alabama-Birmingham 92-75 in NCAA South regional.
end of alert

404 ObserverArt  Mar 21, 2015 12:41:24pm

re: #397 Justanotherhuman

With all this tax talk, it’s good not to have to file anymore. That’s what happens when your only income is SS and you own nothing at all except personal possessions. When I was making a lowly $35K back in the ’90s, I had to buy another house because the one I’d been in for 14 yrs had little interest to offset my earnings as a single (kids were grown, of course) and I’m sure I was paying more taxes as a percent of income than Warren Buffett.

I’m sure the Rs could come up with a way to tax personal possessions, though. : )

That would be the Burden on the Wealthy Tax they are working on.

All of us below their 2% status will pay a proportional tax based on our meager value and worthiness to them. It is based on the burden we all cause them for having to be concerned with social programs and the like. The less you make the bigger the burden, so you pay more than those that are less a burden.

///

405 BigPapa  Mar 21, 2015 12:41:36pm

The only thing it takes to stop a bad guy with 6 molotov cocktails in a bag with a machete is a good guy with 6 molotov cocktails in a bag with a machete.

406 jaunte  Mar 21, 2015 12:42:54pm

re: #405 BigPapa

And some wasp spray, or possibly engine cleaner.

407 BigPapa  Mar 21, 2015 12:43:12pm

Can you imagine: a Molotov cocktail of spiders: black widows, Huntsmans, and maybe some centipedes.

On fire.

And they’re fireproof.

No, I can’t image that at all.

Sleep well tonight.

408 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 21, 2015 12:44:15pm

re: #402 The War TARDIS

The thing also is, I don’t want someone submissive. I do want someone who will have their own strong personality.

Then going out and doing things to improve yourself as a person will help a lot with that. Plus you are more likely to meet someone if you are out there, having fun.

My husband was 39 when we met. If he’d put his life on hold while waiting for me, I don’t think I would have been interested in him.

409 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 12:45:08pm

re: #397 Justanotherhuman

In Kentucky, we pay personal property taxes on our vehicles, boats, campers, RVs, interest-bearing notes and a shitload of other things.
That’s in addition to state income tax, as well as state and local sales taxes, a 7% insurance tax, local payroll taxes, hotel room taxes, excise and use taxes on all utilities, and who know what the hell else.

410 The War TARDIS  Mar 21, 2015 12:45:29pm

re: #408 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’ll hopefully be meeting Jenna Coleman in 2 months.

But the Medieval Fair is next week in Norman.

411 ObserverArt  Mar 21, 2015 12:45:30pm

re: #407 BigPapa

Can you imagine: a Molotov cocktail of spiders: black widows, Huntsmans, and maybe some centipedes.

On fire.

And they’re fireproof.

No, I can’t image that at all.

Sleep well tonight.

Just so long as there are no damn clown faces present…we’ll be good.

412 wrenchwench  Mar 21, 2015 12:45:45pm
413 Varek Raith  Mar 21, 2015 12:46:37pm

re: #411 ObserverArt

Just so long as there are no damn clown faces present…we’ll be good.

Image: %C2%A3%C2%A3%C2%A3%20Spider%20that%20looks%20like%20a%20clown.jpg

414 The War TARDIS  Mar 21, 2015 12:47:01pm

Rick Scott is taking a page from the Soviet Handbook.

Crazy on you: Scott administration orders employee to get medical evaluation for considering “climate change.”

While it seemed that at first the administration was interested in some damage control, the damage only continues to get worse. A report from yesterday’s Palm Beach Post describes the depth of this conservative paranoia machine. Things have gone from Bloggytown to Crazytown. Scott reportedly ordered longtime employee of the Florida Department of Environmental Protection to take time off and seek professional mental treatment for using the term “climate change” in reference to the failed Keystone XL Pipeline project, according to the group Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility.

415 wrenchwench  Mar 21, 2015 12:48:23pm

re: #413 Varek Raith

Image: %C2%A3%C2%A3%C2%A3%20Spider%20that%20looks%20like%20a%20clown.jpg

Damn you!

Get the brooms!

416 Archangelus  Mar 21, 2015 12:48:31pm

re: #407 BigPapa

Can you imagine: a Molotov cocktail of spiders: black widows, Huntsmans, and maybe some centipedes.

On fire.

And they’re fireproof.

No, I can’t image that at all.

Sleep well tonight.

Forgot these ‘pleasant’ fellows…

Wikipedia: Brazilian Wandering Spider

Nighty night! /

417 ObserverArt  Mar 21, 2015 12:48:34pm

re: #413 Varek Raith

Image: %C2%A3%C2%A3%C2%A3%20Spider%20that%20looks%20like%20a%20clown.jpg

Looks more like a Mexican wrestling mask.

I ain’t skeered!

: )

418 wrenchwench  Mar 21, 2015 12:50:53pm

re: #416 Archangelus

Forgot these ‘pleasant’ fellows…

en.wikipedia.org

[Embedded content]

Nighty night! /

I will not be wandering to Brazil.

419 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 12:51:34pm

re: #402 The War TARDIS

The thing also is, I don’t want someone submissive. I do want someone who will have their own strong personality.

Then you need to read and take to heart what justaminute posted at #285

420 freetoken  Mar 21, 2015 12:51:53pm

re: #317 Backwoods_Sleuth

The stupid thing about those discussions is that the category “white” “European” and “Hispanic” are not all of the same kind.

It’s one of those things that is of no concern to those who want to push buttons.

Nearly all “Hispanics” have significant amount of European ancestors, courtesy of the Spanish (or Portuguese, or French.)

This topic is mostly about fishing for buttons to push.

Most who would self label as “Hispanic” also have significant Native American and African (almost always slaves) ancestry.

But then again so do a non-trivial portion of people in the US already, including those who self-label as “white”.

421 BigPapa  Mar 21, 2015 12:51:54pm

re: #416 Archangelus

Cannot fit in bottles, might need Molotov Buckets for those.

But I digress…

422 Varek Raith  Mar 21, 2015 12:53:30pm

Sigh…
I’ve procrastinated enough.
Stupid shed.
If I don’t return, spiders got me. Or snakes. Or llamas.

423 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 12:53:37pm

re: #420 freetoken

Those are pesky PESKY details the fearful don’t want to hear…

424 freetoken  Mar 21, 2015 12:59:33pm

re: #423 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Race” is a hot-button.

Too bad it’s not a concept that makes sense.

If anything this hot-button is about speaking English versus not.

A very tiny fraction of my ancestors spoke English before 1600. Their children picked up English as a way to live. I only know of a handful of my ancestors who came over from England.

This whole issue is part of the politics of America in the last half of the 20th century, when in the US we decided to want to lower labor costs by welcoming, or at least not closing the door to, millions of people from Mexico and Central America.

And they didn’t speak English, and they are sort of brown. Which makes them the “other”, so now they are the enemy or something.

425 gwangung  Mar 21, 2015 1:00:35pm

re: #424 freetoken

“Race” is a hot-button.

Too bad it’s not a concept that makes sense.

If anything this hot-button is about speaking English versus not.

A very tiny fraction of my ancestors spoke English before 1600. Their children picked up English as a way to live. I only know of a handful of my ancestors who came over from England.

This whole issue is part of the politics of America in the last half of the 20th century, when in the US we decided to want to lower labor costs by welcoming, or at least not closing the door to, millions of people from Mexico and Central America.

And they didn’t speak English, and they are sort of brown. Which makes them the “other”, so now they are the enemy or something.

Which is useful to the folks who brought them into the country in the first place.

426 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 21, 2015 1:01:47pm

re: #425 gwangung

Which is useful to the folks who brought them into the country in the first place.

WIN!!!

427 Justanotherhuman  Mar 21, 2015 1:05:42pm

re: #409 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh, we pay all that, too. I was being snarky about the Rs getting those into Federal taxes somehow. : )

428 Nyet  Mar 21, 2015 1:06:06pm

…

429 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 21, 2015 1:08:47pm

re: #405 BigPapa

The only thing it takes to stop a bad guy with 6 molotov cocktails in a bag with a machete is a good guy with 6 molotov cocktails in a bag with a machete.

Or 8 Heads in a Duffel Bag.

430 Justanotherhuman  Mar 21, 2015 1:09:03pm

More:

Jefferson Parish Sheriff Newell Normand: Suspect in New Orleans Airport attack suffered from mental illness - @NOLAnews
nola.com

431 Eventual Carrion  Mar 21, 2015 1:29:09pm

re: #414 The War TARDIS

Rick Scott is taking a page from the Soviet Handbook.

Crazy on you: Scott administration orders employee to get medical evaluation for considering “climate change.”

Who ever said there was not going to be thought police?

432 palomino  Mar 21, 2015 4:35:53pm

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

Nice fat throw over the place, and I dare say I hit for a double:

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I’d say you struck out swinging, with all the empty force of Casey at the Bat.

You’re still wedded to trickle down economics as an example of economic literacy. Indeed, it’s still the linchpin of the gop’s economic philosophy. It hasn’t worked over the last 35 years, and it won’t start working just because REAGAN!

The defect in your thinking is holding onto the gop’s doctrine of the past without examining the intervening years of contrary evidence. You’re stuck in idelogical mud rather than adadpting to facts on the ground. It might make you feel good inside, but it’s deeply irrational as an intellectual guiding force.

As for economic results, please tell us how the policies of Bush Jr. were superior in theory or results to the Clinton and Obama years. Bush was the first president in history to launch wars while cutting taxes. How did that work out for us? Please, defend it.


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