Ted Cruz Will Announce Presidential Candidacy at Jerry Falwell’s Liberty University

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One of the most dishonest, creepy, and fanatical Republicans in Washington, Ted Cruz, is going to be the first presidential candidate for the wacko wing of the GOP (which is pretty much the entire GOP now), and of course, he’s going to announce it in a speech at Jerry Falwell’s religious right diploma mill, Liberty University — where young Earth creationism is taught in biology class.

Cruz will launch a presidential bid outright rather than form an exploratory committee, said senior advisers with direct knowledge of his plans, who spoke on condition of anonymity because an official announcement had not been made yet. They say he is done exploring and is now ready to become the first Republican presidential candidate.

The senator is scheduled to speak Monday at a convocation ceremony at Liberty University in Virginia, where he is expected to declare his campaign for the presidency.

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259 comments
1 stpaulbear  Mar 22, 2015 11:08:17am

If he gets the nod, so-called moderate republicans will hold their nose and vote for him because reasons.

2 Nyet  Mar 22, 2015 11:08:49am

What else would one expect from a Christianist fanatic? This apple has not fallen far from the tree.

3 Nyet  Mar 22, 2015 11:09:15am

re: #1 stpaulbear

If he gets the nod, so-called moderate republicans will hold their nose and vote for him because reasons.

You know Dark will.

4 electrotek  Mar 22, 2015 11:09:52am

If the Democrats lose to the Repubs in 2016 I will lose all hope mankind as a result.

5 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2015 11:11:00am

re: #1 stpaulbear

Nope.

6 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2015 11:11:20am

re: #3 Nyet

You know Dark will.

Dark isn’t a moderate.

7 Iwouldprefernotto  Mar 22, 2015 11:12:30am

What’s his slogan? Better Ted than dead?

8 Nyet  Mar 22, 2015 11:12:53am

re: #6 Backwoods_Sleuth

Dark isn’t a moderate.

You’re not a Republican, sorry. ;)

9 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2015 11:13:34am

re: #8 Nyet

You’re not a Republican, sorry. ;)

As a matter of fact, I am a Republican.
Just not the current crazy kind.

10 Nyet  Mar 22, 2015 11:16:07am

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

As a matter of fact, I am a Republican.
Just not the current crazy kind.

I know how you call yourself. But AFAIC that horse has bolted.

11 wrenchwench  Mar 22, 2015 11:21:23am

Open primaries in every state would be nice.

12 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 22, 2015 11:23:07am

WTFITS==>

13 Nyet  Mar 22, 2015 11:23:43am

re: #12 The Mother Of All Pies

It’s DARVO.

14 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 22, 2015 11:23:44am

Speaking of Raging Racism (not from “The Left”)==>

15 wrenchwench  Mar 22, 2015 11:24:56am

re: #14 The Mother Of All Pies

Speaking of Raging Racism (not from “The Left”)==>

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Already blocked. Don’t remember what for.

16 Targetpractice  Mar 22, 2015 11:25:47am

As Josh Marshall already noted, Ted has decided to skip the whole concept of an exploratory committee and just announce his candidacy. The whole point of such a committee is to take a moment, dip a toe in the water, and question if one should run. Ted’s decided that yes, he should run, why wouldn’t he?

I definitely do not have nearly enough popcorn.

17 Belafon  Mar 22, 2015 11:29:34am

re: #16 Targetpractice

As Josh Marshall already noted, Ted has decided to skip the whole concept of an exploratory committee and just announce his candidacy. The whole point of such a committee is to take a moment, dip a toe in the water, and question if one should run. Ted’s decided that yes, he should run, why wouldn’t he?

I definitely do not have nearly enough popcorn.

I’m pretty sure the nuns told Cruz’s dad, when they brought him the child to replace his newborn that had just died, that this baby would go on to do great things.

18 Nyet  Mar 22, 2015 11:30:16am

Shades of Greg Stillson.

19 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss  Mar 22, 2015 11:31:14am

Ted Cruz ‘16:

Because America is the God-ordained free-est and greatest country in the world that’s in decline and constantly in peril of being of being destroyed by God because people have too much of the wrong kind of freedom.

Also, he promises that this won’t all turn out to be some kind of giant cash-grabby horseshit like all the other stuff he does, because you have to understand that it’s not really a scam if you really believe God told you it isn’t a scam, because cynicism and idealism have an intersection point at “too vain to use external references to structure one’s worldview.”

Also, SEND CASH.

20 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 22, 2015 11:31:52am

Imagine if a Den candidate announced their candidacy from a Mosque…

21 Dr Lizardo  Mar 22, 2015 11:32:56am

re: #17 Belafon

I’m pretty sure the nuns told Cruz’s dad, when they brought him the child to replace his newborn that had just died, that this baby would go on to do great things.

Yeah, pretty sure this was playing over the loudspeakers at that particular moment.

…

22 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2015 11:33:21am
23 Shiplord Kirel  Mar 22, 2015 11:33:29am

In choosing Superstition U for his announcement, Cruz has declared war on science and reason and is rubbing our faces in it.

YEC isn’t just taught there, it is required of all students.

History of Life: CRST 290
The primary educational activity of the Center for Creation Studies is the presentation of CRST 290, History of Life. This course is required of all Liberty students and is designed to provide a thorough understanding of the creation-evolution controversy. This study draws upon knowledge from religion, science, philosophy and history.

24 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 22, 2015 11:33:37am

Ben “Bag Of Uncircumcised Dick Meat” Shapiro is Tweeting racist Derp about Elizabeth Warren.

25 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 22, 2015 11:34:49am

America goes on Cruz Control for 2016!

Oh come on, you know this is the first of many.

/

26 b.d.  Mar 22, 2015 11:36:49am

I am sure that the birthers have figured out a way that Ted Cruz being eligible to be president is a totally different deal?

27 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 22, 2015 11:37:43am

Does the Clown Car need an auxiliary trailer just for the Texans? I assume Perry’s hat will go into the ring again. Perhaps Gohmert needs to announce he is running as well.

You can then do a variation on the “See/Hear/Speak No Evil” thing and just make it “Speak/Speak More/Speak Even More Derp”
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28 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 22, 2015 11:39:15am

I say screw the primaries and let all the GOP candidates duke it out Hunger Games style until we have a winner.

29 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 22, 2015 11:39:53am

re: #26 b.d.

I am sure that the birthers have figured out a way that Ted Cruz being eligible to be president is a totally different deal?

Skin color.

30 Charles Johnson  Mar 22, 2015 11:41:24am
31 Targetpractice  Mar 22, 2015 11:41:44am

re: #26 b.d.

I am sure that the birthers have figured out a way that Ted Cruz being eligible to be president is a totally different deal?

Indeed: They’ll just ignore it. “What’s that? Is Ted eligible to run? Why do you want to talk about that rather than the issues?!”

32 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 22, 2015 11:42:06am
33 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2015 11:43:23am

my shocked face…

34 HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2015 11:45:33am

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

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my shocked face…

Well this is a man who once referred to Asians as “gooks” and voted against the MLK B-day holiday as a legislator.

35 Targetpractice  Mar 22, 2015 11:45:57am

re: #32 The Mother Of All Pies

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For the price of a Havana Ted candidacy, we get a crazy dad for free.

Good times.

36 HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2015 11:47:05am

re: #32 The Mother Of All Pies

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Rafael Cruz is the one who needs to be educated. And the ZOMG most klan members were Democrats is actually a lie. Yes, that was the case in the South but in Orange County and the Midwest where the KKK also had sway, there were plenty of KKK Republicans .

37 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 22, 2015 11:47:42am

Could you imagine what wingnuts would say if a Democrat candidate’s father had such a thick accent?

The Ricky Ricardo jokes would just write themselves.

38 HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2015 11:47:47am

Is Ted’s mother still alive? We only really hear about crazy Dad and son. Maybe Ted’s mom is actually sane compared to her husband and son?

39 HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2015 11:48:16am

re: #37 The Mother Of All Pies

Could you imagine what wingnuts would say if a Democrat candidate’s father had such a thick accent?

The Ricky Ricardo jokes would just write themselves.

You’d hear all sorts of racial slurs in the comments for sure.

40 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 22, 2015 11:48:42am

re: #36 HappyWarrior

Rafael Cruz is the one who needs to be educated. And the ZOMG most klan members were Democrats is actually a lie. Yes, that was the case in the South but in Orange County and the Midwest where the KKK also had sway, there were plenty of KKK Republicans .

I really don’t give a shit what party people voted for over 100 years ago. The parties have shifted ideologies.

41 HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2015 11:49:17am

re: #30 Charles Johnson

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Given that Nolte’s ideology is the one that actually did boo an openly gay servicesmember, chanted let him die, etc they’ve got no room to fucking talk about anything.

42 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 22, 2015 11:49:20am

re: #39 HappyWarrior

You’d hear all sorts of racial slurs in the comments for sure.

Just look at all the racist comments about Elizabeth Warren.

43 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 22, 2015 11:50:14am

re: #41 HappyWarrior

Given that Nolte’s ideology is the one that actually did boo an openly gay servicesmember, chanted let him die, etc they’ve got no room to fucking talk about anything.

And I expect even more nastiness next year.

44 Lidane  Mar 22, 2015 11:50:30am

Republicans, 2008-Now, re: Obama — Law professor! Inexperienced junior Senator in his first term! No executive experience! He’s not qualified to be POTUS!

Republicans, 2015 re: Ted Cruz — Cruz to Victory! It’ll be Morning in Murica Again! Cruz/Palin 2016! Cruz-in’ For a Librul Brusin’! Eleventy!

45 HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2015 11:50:38am

re: #40 The Mother Of All Pies

I really don’t give a shit what party people voted for over 100 years ago. The parties have shifted ideologies.

Oh no doubt, I’m just pointing out that the KKK in its most powerful inception was never monolithically Democratic. That’s a falsehood that Rafael Cruz is pushing. And you’re right. What’s important is what the parties are doing now. The Democratic Party has been a consistent defender of civil rights for African Americans. The GOP meanwhile………

46 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 22, 2015 11:51:32am

Pretty scary how many closet racists there are in this country.

47 HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2015 11:52:31am

re: #44 Lidane

Republicans, 2008-Now, re: Obama — Law professor! Inexperienced junior Senator in his first term! No executive experience! He’s not qualified to be POTUS!

Republicans, 2015 re: Ted Cruz — Cruz to Victory! It’ll be Morning in Murica Again! Cruz/Palin 2016! Cruz-in’ For a Librul Brusin’! Eleventy!

Yeah I can’t wait to hear from wingnuts who claimed Obama wasn’t experienced enough for president how Grandpa Munster is with the same amount of experience on a federal level. On paper he’s qualified for the job. After all, Lincoln only had one term in Congress before being president. However neither Lincoln or Obama were deranged lunatics.

48 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 22, 2015 11:52:45am

re: #45 HappyWarrior

Oh no doubt, I’m just pointing out that the KKK in its most powerful inception was never monolithically Democratic. That’s a falsehood that Rafael Cruz is pushing. And you’re right. What’s important is what the parties are doing now. The Democratic Party has been a consistent defender of civil rights for African Americans. The GOP meanwhile………

Just the typical ignoring of the fact that the racists switched from Democratic to Republican registration following the Equal Rights Acts and the GOP Southern Strategy.

And as VB has pointed out repeatedly the vote of the various Civil Rights acts pretty much split more along regional lines than party lines in any case.

49 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 22, 2015 11:53:02am

re: #45 HappyWarrior

Oh no doubt, I’m just pointing out that the KKK in its most powerful inception was never monolithically Democratic. That’s a falsehood that Rafael Cruz is pushing. And you’re right. What’s important is what the parties are doing now. The Democratic Party has been a consistent defender of civil rights for African Americans. The GOP meanwhile………

Democratic plantation dur hur

50 Shiplord Kirel  Mar 22, 2015 11:53:36am

Yep, Rafael, the Reconstruction era Democrats were some evil bastards. That was 140 years ago and has shit all to do with anything happening now, or since Nixon and the “southern strategy” that matter.

51 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 22, 2015 11:54:01am

HURR HURR WELFARE IS TEH NEW SLAVERY!!!!1!!!!

52 HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2015 11:54:50am

re: #48 Feline Fearless Leader

Just the typical ignoring of the fact that the racists switched from Democratic to Republican registration following the Equal Rights Acts and the GOP Southern Strategy.

And as VB has pointed out repeatedly the vote of the various Civil Rights acts pretty much split more along regional lines than party lines in any case.

Regional and also ideological lines. It was liberal Republicans and Democrats who pushed civil rights. I’d like to ask conservatives and Republicans that if Civil Rights was such an issue that they valued so much, why did they nominate an opponent of hte CRA-1964 for president that year and furthermore why did William F. Buckley push the insidious lie that Civil Rights was a communist plot. Or the real dagger which is why did Civil Rights opponents use the same crap excuses the opponents of LGBT equality use today i.e. morality and states rights.

53 HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2015 11:56:23am

re: #50 Shiplord Kirel

Yep, Rafael, the Reconstruction era Democrats were some evil bastards. That was 140 years ago and has shit all to do with anything happening now, or since Nixon and the “southern strategy” that matter.

or Reagan and the “young bucks” and opening his campaign talking about states rights where three civil rights workers were murdered. Or H.W Bush and Willie Horton. The Republican Party gave up any credibility on the civil rights issues when they decided that they wanted the votes of Southerners angry at the national Democratic party becoming vocally for Civil Rights.

54 HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2015 11:57:13am

Wonder what Raffy has to say about Jesse Helms who while not a KKK member to my knowledge was a lot more nasty than Robert Byrd ever was as a senator when it came to African Americans.

55 Nyet  Mar 22, 2015 11:58:02am

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is modern moderate Republicanism.

56 freetoken  Mar 22, 2015 12:02:29pm

A GOP candidate’s slogan: Bible Belt or Bust.

57 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 22, 2015 12:04:12pm

Are they actually delusional enough to think Cruz can get the Latino vote?

58 A Cranky One  Mar 22, 2015 12:05:05pm
59 Targetpractice  Mar 22, 2015 12:05:29pm

I’m personally curious just how Havana Ted’s supporters are going to address Rafael’s past, from fighting alongside Fidel, to bribing his way to the US, to renouncing his Canadian citizenship just 10 years ago.

60 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2015 12:06:39pm

re: #59 Targetpractice

Not to mention his multiple marriages.

61 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 22, 2015 12:07:47pm

STUPIDEST WINGNUT MEME OF THE DAY==>

62 Kid A  Mar 22, 2015 12:08:35pm

re: #7 Iwouldprefernotto

What’s his slogan? Better Ted than dead?

Lose with Cruz.

63 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 22, 2015 12:08:37pm

re: #60 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not to mention his multiple marriages.

I can think of more conservatives with multiple marriages than those with just one.

64 Targetpractice  Mar 22, 2015 12:08:39pm

re: #61 The Mother Of All Pies

STUPIDEST WINGNUT MEME OF THE DAY==>

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Yes, RT if you’re a treasonous fucktard who doesn’t understand how democracy works.

65 Dr. Matt  Mar 22, 2015 12:09:02pm
66 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2015 12:09:57pm
67 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 22, 2015 12:10:03pm

re: #61 The Mother Of All Pies

Let me guess: they stole that art from a video game.

68 makeitstop  Mar 22, 2015 12:10:10pm

re: #60 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not to mention his multiple marriages.

Some blah-blah-blah about ‘not visiting the sins of the father on to the son,’ or something like it.

69 HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2015 12:10:28pm

re: #60 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not to mention his multiple marriages.

I was wondering why we never hear about Ted’s mother.

70 HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2015 12:11:16pm

re: #68 makeitstop

Some blah-blah-blah about ‘not visiting the sins of the father on to the son,’ or something like it.

Which is rich since Barack Obama, Sr is used to rip on Obama and Barack Obama, Sr wasn’t even close to being the raging lunatic narcissist that Raffy is.

71 Targetpractice  Mar 22, 2015 12:11:19pm

re: #68 makeitstop

Some blah-blah-blah about ‘not visiting the sins of the father on to the son,’ or something like it.

That or “Ted’s the one running, not his father, so his past doesn’t matter!”

72 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 22, 2015 12:11:21pm

re: #67 Eclectic Cyborg

Let me guess: they stole that art from a video game.

I have seen a bunch of wingnut memes using art stolen from the Revolutionary War Assassin’s Creed.

73 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2015 12:11:29pm

re: #69 HappyWarrior

I was wondering why we never hear about Ted’s mother.

Or the woman Rafael was married to before Ted’s mother.

74 Justanotherhuman  Mar 22, 2015 12:11:58pm
75 HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2015 12:12:25pm

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

Or the woman Rafael was married to before Ted’s mother.

Oooh? And this guy goes around acting like a man of God. It’s easy to see where Ted inherited his charlatan abilities from.

76 Charles Johnson  Mar 22, 2015 12:13:36pm
77 HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2015 12:14:36pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

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Yeah, see Ryan, Paul whose private sector experience includes a summer job at McDOnald and working at his own family’s business.

78 Justanotherhuman  Mar 22, 2015 12:15:36pm

Holy shit, France.

Sarkozy’s Conservative UMP and allies lead in French local elections; Le Pen’s National Front in 2nd place, TV exit poll says - @Reuters
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79 HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2015 12:16:32pm

re: #78 Justanotherhuman

Holy shit, France.

Sarkozy’s Conservative UMP and allies lead in French local elections; Le Pen’s National Front in 2nd place, TV exit poll says - @Reuters
end of alert

Crap. Sarkozy may not be as bad as LePen but he’s still a bigoted jackass.

80 Dr Lizardo  Mar 22, 2015 12:18:28pm

re: #78 Justanotherhuman

Holy shit, France.

Sarkozy’s Conservative UMP and allies lead in French local elections; Le Pen’s National Front in 2nd place, TV exit poll says - @Reuters
end of alert

Actually, for me that’s something of pleasant surprise. I was expecting an NF tsunami.

Still not a huge fan of Sarkozy, though.

81 HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2015 12:19:29pm

re: #80 Dr Lizardo

Actually, for me that’s something of pleasant surprise. I was expecting an NF tsunami.

Still not a huge fan of Sarkozy, though.

He(Sarkozy) plays to the Anti-Romani crowd. I remember when he first ran for president, all the wingnuts I knew loved him.

82 dr. luba  Mar 22, 2015 12:20:34pm

re: #79 HappyWarrior

Crap. Sarkozy may not be as bad as LePen but he’s still a bigoted jackass.

And LePen is a confederate of Putin’s.

83 HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2015 12:21:19pm

re: #82 dr. luba

And LePen is a confederate of Putin’s.

Didn’t actually know that but LePen’s evil I felt really without saying.

84 Varek Raith  Mar 22, 2015 12:29:30pm

re: #67 Eclectic Cyborg

Let me guess: they stole that art from a video game.

Or sweetroll.

85 Justanotherhuman  Mar 22, 2015 12:30:45pm
Hypocrite Much?
86 Dr Lizardo  Mar 22, 2015 12:32:36pm

So, Toronto Ted is gonna go for the brass ring, and from what I’m seeing, the Freepers are practically ready to travel to D.C. for his inauguration come January 2017.

LOLOLOL

87 Shiplord Kirel  Mar 22, 2015 12:34:21pm

re: #61 The Mother Of All Pies

STUPIDEST WINGNUT MEME OF THE DAY==>

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Note that the tank is a Russian T-54/55. It’s on fire, but since it is pointed toward the White House, I would assume it belongs to the attackers. Supplied by Putin to help his friends on the right?

88 Targetpractice  Mar 22, 2015 12:37:06pm

re: #86 Dr Lizardo

So, Toronto Ted is gonna go for the brass ring, and from what I’m seeing, the Freepers are practically ready to travel to D.C. for his inauguration come January 2017.

LOLOLOL

These are the same folks who thought Willard a shoe-in, that the unskewed polls showed he was practically president already.

89 Justanotherhuman  Mar 22, 2015 12:37:49pm

Spain’s Socialists win Andalusia vote, Podemos make strong headway, poll says - @Reuters
end of alert

More about Podemos:

america.aljazeera.com

90 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 22, 2015 12:38:34pm

re: #87 Shiplord Kirel

Note that the tank is a Russian T-54/55. It’s on fire, but since it is pointed toward the White House, I would assume it belongs to the attackers. Supplied by Putin to help his friends on the right?

Red Dawn in reverse—right-wing militias collaborating with a Russian invasion?

91 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 22, 2015 12:41:11pm

re: #90 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I guess that’d be White Dawn, wouldn’t it?

92 Justanotherhuman  Mar 22, 2015 12:44:28pm
93 ObserverArt  Mar 22, 2015 12:48:30pm

Ted’s daddy is telling people to be worried about what happened with Southern Democrats 100+ years ago.

Most of America is worried about son Ted and what is happening with guys like him and what a mess they are causing in the Republican party this year.

94 ObserverArt  Mar 22, 2015 12:52:05pm

re: #59 Targetpractice

I’m personally curious just how Havana Ted’s supporters are going to address Rafael’s past, from fighting alongside Fidel, to bribing his way to the US, to renouncing his Canadian citizenship just 10 years ago.

All God’s work to get us to this day when he can deliver upon this great nation a savior!

(I am truly sick now that I typed that)

95 allegro  Mar 22, 2015 12:56:24pm

re: #94 ObserverArt

All God’s work to get us to this day when he can deliver upon this great nation a savior!

(I am truly sick now that I typed that)

I wouldn’t call Hillary a savior exactly, but compared to any on the GOP ticket….

Yeah, savior fits after all. :D

96 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2015 12:59:55pm
97 Decatur Deb  Mar 22, 2015 1:05:52pm

re: #46 Eclectic Cyborg

Pretty scary how many closet racists there are in this country.

Depends. In a lot of the country the closet door is open and the light is on.

98 Decatur Deb  Mar 22, 2015 1:07:48pm

re: #89 Justanotherhuman

Spain’s Socialists win Andalusia vote, Podemos make strong headway, poll says - @Reuters
end of alert

More about Podemos:

america.aljazeera.com

“Podemos”. That’s a funny word. What could it possibly mean?

99 Nyet  Mar 22, 2015 1:08:05pm

re: #89 Justanotherhuman

“World Socialist Website” doesn’t like them, which to me indicates they might be good guys.

100 Nyet  Mar 22, 2015 1:09:21pm

re: #83 HappyWarrior

Didn’t actually know that but LePen’s evil I felt really without saying.

Marine LePen’s NF is sponsored by Putin (not directly, but, you know), and so are many other Eurofascists.

101 Nyet  Mar 22, 2015 1:10:13pm

re: #80 Dr Lizardo

Same here.

102 Nyet  Mar 22, 2015 1:11:53pm

re: #59 Targetpractice

I’m personally curious just how Havana Ted’s supporters are going to address Rafael’s past, from fighting alongside Fidel, to bribing his way to the US, to renouncing his Canadian citizenship just 10 years ago.

Backwoods Sleuth found some info about daddy Cruz shilling for Castro while in the US.

103 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2015 1:12:51pm

re: #102 Nyet

Backwoods Sleuth found some info about daddy Cruz shilling for Castro while in the US.

Oh yes, he did a lot of that back in the day.
Rotary Clubs loved him.

104 Justanotherhuman  Mar 22, 2015 1:14:13pm
105 Nyet  Mar 22, 2015 1:14:24pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

And the son is just as snakey and oily as the dad.

106 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 22, 2015 1:14:56pm

I’m sure the wingnuts will say he was secretly fighting Castro the whole time.

107 Decatur Deb  Mar 22, 2015 1:15:17pm

re: #104 Justanotherhuman

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Should lay the “Nice Canadian” myth to rest.

108 ObserverArt  Mar 22, 2015 1:16:25pm

I like the game of making up Cruz slogans. There’s been a few already around LGF. I want to keep adding…

CRUZ 2016

“Truth does not Matter. It’s all about the Bullshit in My Heart.”

109 CuriousLurker  Mar 22, 2015 1:16:45pm

re: #107 Decatur Deb

Should lay the “Nice Canadian” myth to rest.

This x 1000.

110 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 22, 2015 1:17:28pm

I’m just gonna leave this here as my idea of what to do about a Cruz presidency…

111 Nyet  Mar 22, 2015 1:18:05pm

re: #109 CuriousLurker

Not a big shock after Buck.

;)

112 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mar 22, 2015 1:18:28pm

re: #108 ObserverArt

I like the game of making up Cruz slogans. There’s been a few already around LGF. I want to keep adding…

CRUZ 2016

“Truth does not Matter. It’s all about the Bullshit in My Heart.”

GOTV in 2016.
You snooze, you get Cruz.

113 Great White Snark  Mar 22, 2015 1:18:43pm

Vote Hilary Clinton. The only actual candidate that passed the psych screening. Yaay.

114 CuriousLurker  Mar 22, 2015 1:18:51pm

re: #111 Nyet

Oh gawd. I forgot about him. *grimace*

115 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2015 1:20:15pm

re: #107 Decatur Deb

Should lay the “Nice Canadian” myth to rest.

b_sharp will point out that Ted was born in Alberta, so it really doesn’t count.

116 Nyet  Mar 22, 2015 1:20:34pm

Actual as never before:

…

117 HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2015 1:21:01pm

re: #114 CuriousLurker

Oh gawd. I forgot about him. *grimace*

That guy was a dick.

118 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 22, 2015 1:21:19pm

re: #107 Decatur Deb

Should lay the “Nice Canadian” myth to rest.

Could have something to do with Canadians’ heads separating into two parts—unlike Americans. Has anybody checked Ted for this?

119 Justanotherhuman  Mar 22, 2015 1:21:53pm

re: #115 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yeah, Cruz just moved from Texas, Canada to Texas, US.

120 Decatur Deb  Mar 22, 2015 1:22:07pm

re: #115 Backwoods_Sleuth

b_sharp will point out that Ted was born in Alberta, so it really doesn’t count.

Ah. The Texarkana part of Canada.

121 Decatur Deb  Mar 22, 2015 1:23:31pm

re: #117 HappyWarrior

That guy was a dick.

Be nice, he could be the next Foreign Minister.

122 Nyet  Mar 22, 2015 1:24:48pm

re: #99 Nyet

“World Socialist Website” doesn’t like them, which to me indicates they might be good guys.

OK, pravda ru has this, so maybe not:

Not that long ago, Iglesias accused the West of the use of double standards in relation to Russia and the Ukrainian crisis. “One should not forget that the EU supported the illegal change of power in Ukraine and the coming of a neo-Nazi party to the Ukrainian government. Some European leaders, together with neo-Nazis, took part in public events in Ukraine, and this is too far from European values,” he said.

123 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 22, 2015 1:26:24pm

re: #113 Great White Snark

Vote Hilary Clinton. The only actual candidate that passed the psych screening. Yaay.

We used to have a guy here named Robert Patrick who would file for something every election. He was finally forced to have a psych eval—which he passed. After that he would point out he was certified “not insane” and challenge his opponents to prove the same.

124 ObserverArt  Mar 22, 2015 1:26:54pm

re: #113 Great White Snark

Vote Hilary Clinton. The only actual candidate that passed the psych screening. Yaay.

You want something to really worry about?

We get the government we deserve.

And I do hold that to be a truth. The discussion then lies in what causes it and why we deserve it.

I had a comment in the last thread basically saying all the crap and negativity with modern US politics, driven in large part by the crazy in the GOP, is dragging us all down. People then get cynical and no one cares.

We get the government we deserve.

Sad, isn’t it?

125 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 22, 2015 1:28:22pm

Not all Canadians are evil you know. :p

126 Decatur Deb  Mar 22, 2015 1:28:42pm

re: #124 ObserverArt

You want something to really worry about?

We get the government we deserve.

And I do hold that to be a truth. The discussion then lies in what causes it and why we deserve it.

I had a comment in the last thread basically saying all the crap and negativity with modern US politics, driven in large part by the crazy in the GOP, is dragging us all down. People then get cynical and no one cares.

We get the government we deserve.

Sad, isn’t it?

The trick, then, is to nurture and husband a redeeming naivete.

127 HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2015 1:28:52pm

re: #121 Decatur Deb

Be nice, he could be the next Foreign Minister.

Heh true.

128 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 22, 2015 1:29:14pm

re: #123 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Did he also have an intense dislike of Arnold Schwarzenegger?

129 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 22, 2015 1:30:20pm

re: #128 Eclectic Cyborg

Did he also have an intense dislike of Arnold Schwarzenegger?

Ha! Don’t know. Before Schwarzenegger’s time.

130 Decatur Deb  Mar 22, 2015 1:30:34pm

re: #125 Eclectic Cyborg

Not all Canadians are evil you know. :p

OK, Celine Dion, then.

131 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 22, 2015 1:31:42pm

re: #130 Decatur Deb

OK, Celine Dion, then.

Debatable.

/

132 freetoken  Mar 22, 2015 1:34:25pm

re: #131 Eclectic Cyborg

The Canadian Brass??

MP3 Audio

133 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 22, 2015 1:35:39pm

Growing up in Western Washington I’ve always felt closer to Canada—well, B.C. anyway—than to most of the rest of the U.S. If any Republican wins in 2016, I would be all for seceding and becoming part of Canada.

I suppose that would tilt the center of gravity too far west for Ontario’s liking, though.

134 CuriousLurker  Mar 22, 2015 1:36:50pm

Are you guys seeing all the little chiclet buttons the comment form & the karma area doing an animation when you mouse over them, or is it just me?

135 Nyet  Mar 22, 2015 1:38:17pm

re: #134 CuriousLurker

No. What kind?

136 Charles Johnson  Mar 22, 2015 1:38:42pm

re: #134 CuriousLurker

Playing with CSS transitions here. If you reload, those animations won’t happen any more, but the regular links will transition to their hover states.

137 PhillyPretzel  Mar 22, 2015 1:38:53pm

re: #134 CuriousLurker

I am just getting the usual stuff.

138 Decatur Deb  Mar 22, 2015 1:40:04pm

re: #132 freetoken

The Canadian Brass??

[Embedded content]

Our wedding song—really. it was the only Bach the organist knew. Wife tears up at all the Vincent Price movies.

139 CuriousLurker  Mar 22, 2015 1:40:17pm

re: #135 Nyet

No. What kind?

Like a kind of “sliding door” thing where the other button that shows up has its colors changed.

140 CuriousLurker  Mar 22, 2015 1:40:55pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

Ah, okay. Thanks.

141 Mattand  Mar 22, 2015 1:45:05pm

So Clown Car 2016 officially commences. Somebody christen it with a seltzer water spray bottle.

I’ve noticed over the last few months that two members of the “I vote GOP no matter how fucked up we are” cadre* have dropped off the site**. I have to admit, I’m semi-curious as to what their take/insane justifications to the current GOP POTUS nomination freak show is.

*Officially, one would always hide behind the “My vote is my own” defense, implying some kind of mavericky independence which confounds the pundits. Which is their right.

However, most of the people I know who are in the “Trayvon Martin may have been a thug” camp tend to like elephants in their party’s logo.

**If they dropped off for serious real world concerns, I do hope they’re okay.

142 Mattand  Mar 22, 2015 1:45:41pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

Playing with CSS transitions here. If you reload, those animations won’t happen any more, but the regular links will transition to their hover states.

I just saw the animations a few minutes ago. I thought it was neat.

143 Great White Snark  Mar 22, 2015 1:45:57pm

re: #124 ObserverArt

It is sad. Let’s talk dynasties. Bush V Clinton. On one hand we have the alleged “Bush dynasty” that lost one re election and can’t begin to hold off Ted Cruz et al. OTOH we have the “Clinton Dynasty” that never lost a general election, and is a powerful enough machine that it scared off all credible contenders. Long before the primary.

Both parties have let us down big time. Not just the GOP. Both.

144 PhillyPretzel  Mar 22, 2015 1:47:04pm

re: #141 Mattand

That would be a waste of good seltzer. /half

145 Mattand  Mar 22, 2015 1:51:40pm

re: #143 Great White Snark

It is sad. Let’s talk dynasties. Bush V Clinton. On one hand we have the alleged “Bush dynasty” that lost one re election and can’t begin to hold off Ted Cruz et al. OTOH we have the “Clinton Dynasty” that never lost an election, and is a powerful enough machine that it scared off all credible contenders. Long before the primary.

Both parties have let us down big time. Not just the GOP. Both.

I hear you. I’m less than thrilled with the idea of another Bush/Clinton slugfest.

OTOH, the economy under Democrat Bill Clinton kicked serious ass. The economy is recovering under Democrat Barak Obama, and might have done better if the GOP had decided to work with him, rather than destroy the US economy because they wouldn’t work with one of those people.

If Hillary runs and wins, and then the economy improves even more? I would hope it would have the effect of convincing people that since 1980, we proposer more when a Democrat is running the White House.

146 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 22, 2015 1:52:08pm

I’d ask if it’s really a dynasty if only one person with the name has held the office so far, but I don’t really want to get into a Clinton versus Bush discussion with my Sunday afternoon.

And honestly I am in a prickly space and so it will be better for all Lizards if I bow out for at least the afternoon.

147 Frenchy  Mar 22, 2015 1:52:16pm

Good thing it’ll be a cold day in hell before Ted Cruz is POTUS, bc I do believe that he is a dangerous man.

148 ObserverArt  Mar 22, 2015 2:00:02pm

re: #143 Great White Snark

It is sad. Let’s talk dynasties. Bush V Clinton. On one hand we have the alleged “Bush dynasty” that lost one re election and can’t begin to hold off Ted Cruz et al. OTOH we have the “Clinton Dynasty” that never lost a general election, and is a powerful enough machine that it scared off all credible contenders. Long before the primary.

Both parties have let us down big time. Not just the GOP. Both.

Hillary is a Rodham.

She has always been motivated by her own desires. She is driven. Maybe more than Bill.

If anything, they can be considered a political couple but not a Dynasty.

Also, dynasties are over generations. Bush. Yes. Clinton. No (Not yet).

By the way. I’ve noticed you are working real hard to equalize both parties. Am I wrong for having a sense that is your own deep frustration for the GOP showing? And it seems like you are blaming Democrats for the GOP being out of control.

Are you really saying if the Democrats were stronger the GOP would need to up its game?

149 Great White Snark  Mar 22, 2015 2:01:56pm

re: #145 Mattand

Bill Clinton did not build the dot com boom. He managed to stay of it’s way. Signed the bill that penalized corporations for high CEO salaries triggering the stock option dodge that has done a lot, a shit ton of damage to our economy since. Or do we recall the accounting scandals that were a clear salient warning about Wall Street before the bubble pop. Should have given us the tools to prevent it right then, but did not.

Being a fan of that economy does not readily translate into being a fan of that administration, any more than Reagans recovery should make Reagan fans of us.

For an improved economy we need a similar breakthrough or trend to the dot com boom. Fortunately we have people like Musk to make that happen. Economic booms don’t come from presidents. I thought we all agreed on that past Reagan’s days. Since it was decided he had little or nothing to do with that turnaround right?

The economy is easily obstructed in DC. Not easily improved unless you count merely halting the interference as helping.

150 Targetpractice  Mar 22, 2015 2:03:07pm

re: #149 Great White Snark

Bill Clinton did not build the dot com boom. He managed to stay of it’s way. Signed the bill that penalized corporations for high CEO salaries triggering the stock option dodge that has done a lot, a shit ton of damage to our economy since. Or do we recall the accounting scandals that were a clear salient warning about Wall Street before the bubble pop. Should have given us the tools to prevent it right then, but did not.

Being a fan of that economy does not readily translate into being a fan of that administration, any more than Reagans recovery should make Reagan fans of us.

For an improved economy we need a similar breakthrough or trend to the dot com boom. Fortunately we have people like Musk to make that happen. Economic booms don’t come from presidents. I thought we all agreed on that past Reagan’s days. Since it was decided he had little or nothing to do with that turnaround right?

The economy is easily obstructed in DC. Not easily improved unless you count merely halting the interference as helping.

“Halting the interference”?

151 stpaulbear  Mar 22, 2015 2:03:11pm

re: #143 Great White Snark

Both parties have let us down big time. Not just the GOP. Both.

Wait until you see what the GOP will do to the supreme court if they win the 2016 elections. Then we’ll start to know about being let down.

Both parties not measuring up to desired standards doesn’t mean that both parties are the same. The 2016 elections are monsterously important. The rich bastards may just take it all and everyone else will be SOL.

152 Justanotherhuman  Mar 22, 2015 2:11:49pm

Confirmed: pilot died after helicopter crashed into home in Orlando - @WFLA

wfla.com

153 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 22, 2015 2:13:17pm

Wealth inequality in a nutshell==>

154 Justanotherhuman  Mar 22, 2015 2:21:05pm

re: #153 The Mother Of All Pies

Wealth inequality in a nutshell==>

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“Perhaps it’s because they’re so utterly at home on the Internet. Perhaps it’s because they’re lured by online images of condo amenities like an indoor pool or a children’s playroom or because they’re fans of “Million Dollar Listing New York” on Bravo. Or maybe it’s because it’s become business as usual for children in certain precincts of Manhattan to participate in family decisions.”

No, it’s because their families are fucking rich as Croesus.

155 allegro  Mar 22, 2015 2:22:22pm

re: #153 The Mother Of All Pies

Wealth inequality in a nutshell==>

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Well, yeah but poor kids get to pick out the used shoes at the thrift store they got to ride the bus to get to.

156 TedStriker  Mar 22, 2015 2:23:17pm

re: #153 The Mother Of All Pies

Wealth inequality in a nutshell==>

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SMDH…

157 Great White Snark  Mar 22, 2015 2:26:25pm

re: #148 ObserverArt

I think you confuse criticism of the Dems and Hilary as crypto support for the GOP by me. That would be sorely mistaken. It’s honest outrage from a guy that became an anti partisan from watching party first policies (from individuals all up through the the political operators ) pretty well screw the whole two party system.

Show me someone with what we need. Reduced corporate influence. A decade or more of executive experience running a government. Or a major legislative record. Or maybe a really solid career at a respected and innovative corporation more like Tesla and nothing like Wal Mart. Maybe a candidate that is less burdened by past WH scandals both real and imagined. Maybe another young-ish but really well educated person. Nobodies brain is as sharp in their ‘70’s as the forties or fifties.

Some have said they would never ever vote for a republican. No matter what. That works well this time around. But it also assumes two things. One-that the GOP could never ever reform and become vote worthy. Two-Not even one superior candidate anywhere ever? Seems doubtful over time.

I feel that’s just deeply wrong. I would never forswear the ability to vote the best candidate as I see it. I have plenty of criticisms of Dem policies over thirty years. But that won’t stop me from voting Hilary if she is the better candidate. And I think it a mistake to refuse to vote the better man or woman over party. If only because that kind of person can take a whole party to a better place. Net gain.

158 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Mar 22, 2015 2:27:26pm

can you just imagine how crazy a Cruz Presidency would be combined with a Tea Party dominated Republican Congress?

It reads to me as a dime store dystopian novel that I would read for a lark. In the white right wing universe a Cruz Presidency would mean white JEEZUS is coming for sure the day after swearing in armed with an M16 and wearing an American flag tunic spraying endless lead at an army of raging Islamic suicide bombers.

I would pay money to see a movie version of that.

159 Sionainn  Mar 22, 2015 2:27:29pm

re: #134 CuriousLurker

Are you guys seeing all the little chiclet buttons the comment form & the karma area doing an animation when you mouse over them, or is it just me?

It’s like Vegas! Reminded me of a slot machine for some reason. LOL.

160 Targetpractice  Mar 22, 2015 2:31:56pm

re: #157 Great White Snark

Then why don’t you expand your search to third parties and see if a candidate that fits that criteria is out there? Why fault the two major parties for not managing to find a candidate that pleases you? No offense, but it seems as though you are faulting the parties for not working to please you.

161 Great White Snark  Mar 22, 2015 2:34:15pm

re: #150 Targetpractice

“Halting the interference”?

Easy example-Nixon era price controls. Next-That stock option thing instead of a mega paycheck. That so screwed us over.

162 allegro  Mar 22, 2015 2:34:50pm

re: #157 Great White Snark

I think you confuse criticism of the Dems and Hilary as crypto support for the GOP by me. That would be sorely mistaken. It’s honest outrage from a guy that became an anti partisan from watching party first policies (from individuals all up through the the political operators ) pretty well screw the whole two party system.

Show me someone with what we need. Reduced corporate influence. A decade or more of executive experience running a government. Or a major legislative record. Or maybe a really solid career at a respected and innovative corporation more like Tesla and nothing like Wal Mart. Maybe a candidate that is less burdened by past WH scandals both real and imagined. Maybe another young-ish but really well educated person. Nobodies brain is as sharp in their ‘70’s as the forties or fifties.

Some have said they would never ever vote for a republican. No matter what. That works well this time around. But it also assumes two things. One-that the GOP could never ever reform and become vote worthy. Two-Not even one superior candidate anywhere ever? Seems doubtful over time.

I feel that’s just deeply wrong. I would never forswear the ability to vote the best candidate as I see it. I have plenty of criticisms of Dem policies over thirty years. But that won’t stop me from voting Hilary if she is the better candidate. And I think it a mistake to refuse to vote the better man or woman over party. If only because that kind of person can take a whole party to a better place. Net gain.

Over the past 30 years the GOP has grown increasingly and more deeply insane, credited in large part to the theocrats and racists the party catered to and since have entirely succumbed to. During that time, anyone trying to stand up to these lunatics has been crushed.

Saying we will never vote for a GOPer for any office isn’t sad in the least. It’s sane, informed, and patriotic.

163 Great White Snark  Mar 22, 2015 2:36:02pm

re: #160 Targetpractice

Then why don’t you expand your search to third parties and see if a candidate that fits that criteria is out there? Why fault the two major parties for not managing to find a candidate that pleases you? No offense, but it seems as though you are faulting the parties for not working to please you.

Well not me, us. Instead of making us all take the least objectionable. When is the last time a 3rd party guy was anything but a spoiler? Not said to be a wasted vote? Kinda defeats the purpose.

164 Kid A  Mar 22, 2015 2:37:21pm

Cruz campaign poster already spotted:

165 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2015 2:38:22pm

yay, Spring!

166 Great White Snark  Mar 22, 2015 2:38:59pm

re: #162 allegro

No denial of my statements about the inherent assumptions I see. Given those assumptions I don’t disagree. I imply think those to be uncertain assumptions.

167 freetoken  Mar 22, 2015 2:39:25pm

re: #149 Great White Snark

Economic booms don’t come from presidents.

Agree. But the marketers who run political campaigns know that their customers have very short attention spans, so to pimp a candidate the campaign will focus on the immediate circumstances and not long term, systemic, policy implications.

“It’s the economy, stupid.”

168 stpaulbear  Mar 22, 2015 2:40:43pm

re: #153 The Mother Of All Pies

Wealth inequality in a nutshell==>

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The comments at that story are rewarding, especially the ‘reader’s picks’. Hundreds of people saying ‘WTF’.

169 cuzIsaidso  Mar 22, 2015 2:40:48pm

I hope this a matter of language, and not cuisine: My left side-bar features “The Australian,” with an article titled “Quality fears if beef tick privatised.”

170 Nyet  Mar 22, 2015 2:41:09pm

re: #164 Kid A

Cook your goose with Cruz.

171 Decatur Deb  Mar 22, 2015 2:41:28pm

HRC is midway between the president I want and the president I fear.

172 Nyet  Mar 22, 2015 2:42:08pm

re: #171 Decatur Deb

BHO?

173 HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2015 2:42:10pm

re: #163 Great White Snark

Well not me, us. Please us instead of making take the least objectionable. When is the last time a 3rd party guy was anything but a spoiler? Not said to be a wasted vote? Kinda defeats the purpose.

In my observations, third parties seem to be focused way too much on running candidates for higher offices and not enough on the smaller level which is where they could build up credibility to be able to run candidates for higher offices. This is coming someone who has voted third party for high office before too but when I did, I was deeply bothered by the fact that they had no one running for lt governor or attorney general.

174 Targetpractice  Mar 22, 2015 2:42:15pm

re: #163 Great White Snark

Well not me, us. Please us instead of making take the least objectionable. When is the last time a 3rd party guy was anything but a spoiler? Not said to be a wasted vote? Kinda defeats the purpose.

Then I don’t know what to tell you, there are no perfect candidates. Just for example, you want a young candidate, but you also want them to have a decade or more of “executive experience” or a major legislative record. And atop that, you want them to have few or no scandals in their past. No such beast exists in either party. You either get a young up-and-comer whose appeal is he’s got no major faults but he’s also got no record to run on, or you get an old warhorse who’s got decades of experience but also an army of skeletons in his closet.

Instead of faulting the parties for not meeting your standards, maybe you should stop and consider that your standards aren’t realistic.

175 Justanotherhuman  Mar 22, 2015 2:42:17pm

The craziness that is Cruz (but not all of it’s listed):

Ted Cruz Is About To Announce For President. Here’s What You Need To Know About Him.

thinkprogress.org

176 Archangelus  Mar 22, 2015 2:43:39pm

My thoughts on the notion of GOP presidential candidate Ted Cruz and the assured materials said candidacy will provide along the way range from this…

… to this…

177 Decatur Deb  Mar 22, 2015 2:43:54pm

re: #172 Nyet

BHO?

He’s a good bit closer to the president I want. Busted my hump for him. The alternatives are absurd.

178 Nyet  Mar 22, 2015 2:44:51pm

Tickets like Cruz/Palin are fun and games and “an easy ticket to beat”, but it also means one major HRC scandal away from utter crazies running the most powerful state on Earth.

179 Justanotherhuman  Mar 22, 2015 2:45:57pm

re: #174 Targetpractice

Well, you might have a Prez and VP libertarian (as the right-hand helper person), but that might be all since they want to eliminate the govt completely anyway.

180 Great White Snark  Mar 22, 2015 2:46:32pm

re: #174 Targetpractice

These beasts do exist. They just don’t run in this effed up environment. Huntsman. Warren. Musk. Gates. And please. Don’t substitute “perfect” where I mean better than this.

181 freetoken  Mar 22, 2015 2:46:36pm

This happened:

SUSPECT DEAD, OFFICER WOUNDED IN ARIZONA WAL-MART BRAWL

An overnight family brawl in a Wal-Mart parking lot has left one person dead and two others wounded, including a police officer who was shot in the leg.

The Arizona Department of Public Safety says a Cottonwood police officer was shot in the leg just before midnight Sunday trying to break up the melee in the store parking lot.

Authorities say the incident began when police responded to reports that a female Wal-Mart employee was allegedly assaulted by multiple suspects.

According to DPS, the suspects were part of the same family of eight and immediately attacked responding officers outside. Seven officers suffered minor injuries including lacerations and bruising.

[…]

Sometimes I feel my society is breaking down into a Mad Max scenario.

182 Justanotherhuman  Mar 22, 2015 2:46:42pm

re: #178 Nyet

Which is why Benghazi!, email Benghazi!, etc.

183 allegro  Mar 22, 2015 2:46:54pm

re: #166 Great White Snark

No denial of my statements about the inherent assumptions I see. Given those assumptions I don’t disagree. I imply think those to be uncertain assumptions.

Assumptions? LOL I’m just assuming that the GOP is now a party of theocrats and racists? I’m assuming that the party has been trying to burn the country to the ground to spite Obama and liberals? I’m assuming that the party is doing its damnedest nationally and in every state to eliminate health care, food stamps, and women’s right to choose?

This list of “assumptions” could get a lot longer.

184 Doofus  Mar 22, 2015 2:47:00pm

re: #171 Decatur Deb

If I was given a choice, HRC or mittens, I would have chosen HRC without a second thought. I want a frigging leader!

185 freetoken  Mar 22, 2015 2:47:29pm

re: #178 Nyet

Speaking of Clinton baggage:

Monica Lewinsky has something to say — and everybody should listen

186 Archangelus  Mar 22, 2015 2:48:25pm

re: #178 Nyet

Tickets like Cruz/Palin are fun and games and “an easy ticket to beat”, but it also means one major HRC scandal away from utter crazies running the most powerful state on Earth.

IMHO It would take a HUGE honest-to-the-almighty-universe genuine scandal to cause that scenario; That stated, it’s a possibility that does leave me hoping that more prominent Dems will also run in the primaries (personally I wish Warren were running)..

187 Nyet  Mar 22, 2015 2:48:48pm

re: #182 Justanotherhuman

I mean something new.

188 HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2015 2:49:04pm

re: #184 Doofus

If I was given a choice, HRC or mittens, I would have chosen HRC without a second thought. I want a frigging leader!

And someone who actually understands government. Mittens actually believes the run the government like a business bullshit.

189 Doofus  Mar 22, 2015 2:49:19pm

A leader like Tyrion Lannister.

190 Nyet  Mar 22, 2015 2:49:55pm

re: #186 Archangelus

Warren would be an OK VP. But I don’t think Ds would “risk” a 2 women ticket (I wish they did!). Warren as the Pres? I frankly doubt her FP skills.

191 freetoken  Mar 22, 2015 2:50:02pm

With all the fixation on Clinton, who would know there are other Democrats who are trying to run?

Eyeing White House, is Martin O’Malley all in for Iowa?

If he’s really serious about the White House, where has Democrat Martin O’Malley been? And is he really going to go for it now in Iowa?

No Democratic presidential hopefuls put a toe Iowa in November, December, January, February or most of March, adding to the conventional wisdom that Hillary Clinton will win the nomination in a landslide. (Liberal Vermont U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders, a 73-year-old extreme long shot was here, but he’s an independent.)

[…]

192 Decatur Deb  Mar 22, 2015 2:50:39pm

re: #189 Doofus

A leader like Tyrion Lannister.

Has Thulsa formed an exploratory committee yet?

193 Targetpractice  Mar 22, 2015 2:51:11pm

re: #180 Great White Snark

These beasts do exist. They just don’t run in this effed up environment. Huntsman. Warren. Musk. Gates.

No offense, but this sounds like a wish list, rather than a serious assessment of US politics. Unless you’ve heard something different, neither Musk or Gates have signaled any interest in running for office. And Warren has said she will not run until she’s finished her term in the Senate.

But Huntsman intrigues me. What is it about him you like?

194 Doofus  Mar 22, 2015 2:52:26pm

re: #192 Decatur Deb

…

195 Great White Snark  Mar 22, 2015 2:52:42pm

re: #183 allegro

I did not say now. In fact I pointed to over the longer term. Was I not clear? Or is that just a misread?

196 Justanotherhuman  Mar 22, 2015 2:53:06pm

re: #187 Nyet

Oh, they’ve got it on the stove, you can be sure.

197 Decatur Deb  Mar 22, 2015 2:55:11pm

re: #194 Doofus

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Video

“Who fucked up this press conference?
Come, my child.”

198 Great White Snark  Mar 22, 2015 2:55:23pm

re: #193 Targetpractice

Hang on. I did not take you to mean only declared candidates. These beasts don’t exist sounded like across the board. If you mean declared only I withdraw the disagreement. And point out that’s the problem. who is running and who is not.

If the atmosphere were not so toxic we would hear from better candiadtes. BRB gotta fire up fixed tower.

199 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 22, 2015 2:56:35pm

re: #168 stpaulbear

The comments at that story are rewarding, especially the ‘reader’s picks’. Hundreds of people saying ‘WTF’.

But there is this one:

There is a lot of envy on display here

Yeah because this 13-year-old WORKED SO HARD & PULLED HIMSELF UP BY THE BOOTSTRAPS!! Vomit.

200 stpaulbear  Mar 22, 2015 2:56:40pm

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

yay, Spring!

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Holy shit. That’s just a couple hours south of me. I haven’t seen so much as a flake here in St. Paul.

I’m actually worried about the Bemidji area. I have a project starting construction tomorrow where we’re tearing the roof sheathing off of a historic log cabin. I saw snow in the forcast up there and I’m hoping it passes quickly.

Edit: I just checked WeatherUnderground. It’s going to arrive here pretty soon, but less than an inch expected.

201 Justanotherhuman  Mar 22, 2015 2:57:01pm

How about firing your apparel buyer while you’re at it, Target? Sheeesh.

202 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 22, 2015 2:57:45pm

re: #193 Targetpractice

No offense, but this sounds like a wish list, rather than a serious assessment of US politics. Unless you’ve heard something different, neither Musk or Gates have signaled any interest in running for office. And Warren has said she will not run until she’s finished her term in the Senate.

But Huntsman intrigues me. What is it about him you like?

Musk is a South African.

203 Doofus  Mar 22, 2015 2:57:46pm

My bread maker just produced the nicest looking door stop I have ever laid eyes upon.

204 lostlakehiker  Mar 22, 2015 2:58:09pm

re: #1 stpaulbear

If he gets the nod, so-called moderate republicans will hold their nose and vote for him because reasons.

Like hell. But watch and see. These so-called moderate Republicans will flatten Cruz in the primaries, and he won’t get the nomination or even come in as close as third place in delegates.

205 Belafon  Mar 22, 2015 2:58:30pm

re: #151 stpaulbear

Wait until you see what the GOP will do to the supreme court if they win the 2016 elections. Then we’ll start to know about being let down.

Both parties not measuring up to desired standards doesn’t mean that both parties are the same. The 2016 elections are monsterously important. The rich bastards may just take it all and everyone else will be SOL.

One party fails to govern sometimes, the other party refuses to do basic government work. Not the same at all.

206 Justanotherhuman  Mar 22, 2015 2:58:46pm

re: #199 The Mother Of All Pies

Entitled parents teaching their kids to be even more entitled is more like it.

I think at least one parent of each of those kids worked in the financial industry.

207 Decatur Deb  Mar 22, 2015 2:59:25pm

re: #202 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Musk is a South African.

Couple years in Canada and he’s good to go.

208 Decatur Deb  Mar 22, 2015 3:00:41pm

…Wrong reply.

209 Targetpractice  Mar 22, 2015 3:03:01pm

re: #198 Great White Snark

Hang on. I did not take you to mean only declared candidates. These beasts don’t exist sounded like across the board. If you mean declared only I withdraw the disagreement. And point out that’s the problem. who is running and who is not.

If the atmosphere were not so toxic we would hear from better candiadtes. BRB gotta fire up fixed tower.

I didn’t mean only declared candidates. I’m talking about why these candidates haven’t declared. Musk and Gates have signaled no interest in politics, so why you present them as examples is a mystery. And Warren says she wants to serve out her term in the Senate, so why she is not running is obvious.

But Huntsman doesn’t seem to fit your criteria. He didn’t serve a decade or more as governor, he served a single term. He’s no major legislative record or had a solid career at a respected and innovative corporation. About the only item on your list he seems to fit is that he’s relatively young.

210 Nyet  Mar 22, 2015 3:03:17pm

re: #204 lostlakehiker

Will you vote for a “moderate” candidate who denies AGW?

211 BeenHereAwhile  Mar 22, 2015 3:03:49pm

re: #138 Decatur Deb

Our wedding song—really. it was the only Bach the organist knew. Wife tears up at all the Vincent Price movies.

Great set up line.
///

212 Archangelus  Mar 22, 2015 3:04:27pm

Meanwhile in the “Ironic Ad Placement” segment of today’s show:

An advert on the top right corner of the screen - where the Hebrew says “Come and enjoy a circus experience” - popped up while watching Israeli coverage of the initial forming of the new government coalition…

213 Decatur Deb  Mar 22, 2015 3:04:40pm

re: #211 BeenHereAwhile

Great set up line.
///

(All but the ‘tearing up’ is true.)

214 freetoken  Mar 22, 2015 3:06:50pm

re: #210 Nyet

Speaking of AGW, Realclimate has a new post up about an upcoming conference on climate sensitivity, and in their post they use this graph:

Image: climatesensitivity.001.jpg

Looking at the axis label at the top of that picture shows why AGW is not much of a political factor. Physics works on timescales quite different than that of politics.

Which is why the Colorado Springs news outlet runs a headline like this:

EDITORIAL: Fix potholes, not global warming

Now that editorial is mostly pretense, a way for the editors to attack the science of AGW without writing a headline as such, but the point is that more people care about potholes than AGW.

215 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 22, 2015 3:08:12pm

re: #206 Justanotherhuman

Entitled parents teaching their kids to be even more entitled is more like it.

I think at least one parent of each of those kids worked in the financial industry.

Mr. van Merkensteijn, an investor, told his son he couldn’t afford a $14 million apartment.

Ms. Arroyo, the executive director of a financial services firm.

Katie Haggerty, a fashion designer, has worked as a real estate broker. Her mother was a broker, too. She and her husband, Sean, who works in finance, own investment properties.

216 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 22, 2015 3:08:38pm

re: #207 Decatur Deb

Couple years in Canada and he’s good to go.

Seriously, though, far be it from me to agree with those goobers who wanted to make it possible for Aah-nold to run for POTUS but—the danger of someone born in Britain running for president and making the U.S. part of the British Empire again has run its course. It’s time to get rid of this “natural-born citizen” gobbledygook.

I seriously doubt if an actual foreign-born candidate could get anywhere running for president (yet), which is sad, when you think about it.

217 freetoken  Mar 22, 2015 3:11:35pm

Some adventurous reporter ought to ask Ted Cruz about Neanderthals mating with H. Sapiens 50,000 years ago and ask Ted what he thinks about inter-species mating.

218 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 22, 2015 3:11:51pm
219 subterraneanhomesickalien  Mar 22, 2015 3:12:11pm

re: #24 The Mother Of All Pies

Ben “Bag Of Uncircumcised Dick Meat” Shapiro is Tweeting racist Derp about Elizabeth Warren.

As an uncircumcised male I could find that offensive, but I also find it funny. So you win.

220 Nyet  Mar 22, 2015 3:13:38pm

A Russian Duma deputy, head of Rogozin’s Rodina party Aleksey Zhuravlyov has posted this:

On the left is the neo-Nazi Udo Voigt. Zhuravlyov has called him an antifascist in his tweet.

221 BeenHereAwhile  Mar 22, 2015 3:14:18pm

re: #213 Decatur Deb

(All but the ‘tearing up’ is true.)

Figured that - Just couldn’t resist.

222 Nyet  Mar 22, 2015 3:19:35pm

Lizards will notice at least two more familiar Western surnames on the list of the participants of the “Russian Conservative Forum”.

223 Justanotherhuman  Mar 22, 2015 3:20:26pm

re: #220 Nyet

A Russian Duma deputy, head of Rogozin’s Rodina party Aleksey Zhuravlyov has posted this:

[Embedded content]

On the left is the neo-Nazi Udo Voigt. Zhuravlyov has called him an antifascist in his tweet.

ignorance is strength, et al.

224 HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2015 3:21:00pm

re: #222 Nyet

Lizards will notice at least two more familiar Western surnames in the list of the participants of the “Russian Conservative Forum”.

[Embedded content]

Jared Taylor- who David Horowitz vouched for and Nick Griffin of the BNP are the two names I recognized.

225 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2015 3:22:07pm

re: #212 Archangelus

Meanwhile in the “Ironic Ad Placement” segment of today’s show:

An advert on the top right corner of the screen - where the Hebrew says “Come and enjoy a circus experience” - popped up while watching Israeli coverage of the initial forming of the new government coalition…

[Embedded content]

“Recycling Factory” at the top is fun as well.

226 Nyet  Mar 22, 2015 3:22:54pm

These are the guys whom Russia supports.

227 A Cranky One  Mar 22, 2015 3:23:44pm

re: #138 Decatur Deb

Our wedding song—really. it was the only Bach the organist knew. Wife tears up at all the Vincent Price movies.

Hollywood use aside, it’s a favorite of mine. Of course, I’m a big Bach fan. Been thinking of trying to learn “Air on a G String” on guitar. In my copious spare time (I wish).

228 HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2015 3:23:55pm

re: #226 Nyet

These are the guys whom Russia supports.

Doesn’t surprise me.

229 sagehen  Mar 22, 2015 3:24:27pm

A “Game of Thrones”/”Song of Ice & Fire” question —

just before Jon Snow scampered off north, he asked Ned Stark about his mom, and Ned told him “next time we meet we’ll talk about your mother. I’ll tell you everything.” But of course they do not meet again.

So… does anybody else know? Is there somebody who could possibly, if they wanted to, tell Jon the story?

230 Justanotherhuman  Mar 22, 2015 3:25:40pm

re: #222 Nyet

Nathan Smith: facebook.com

231 Justanotherhuman  Mar 22, 2015 3:27:56pm

Texas Nationalists website: texnat.org

These are, of course, TX secessionists.

232 Timothy Watson  Mar 22, 2015 3:27:59pm

re: #229 sagehen

A “Game of Thrones”/”Song of Ice & Fire” question —

just before Jon Snow scampered off north, he asked Ned Stark about his mom, and Ned told him “next time we meet we’ll talk about your mother. I’ll tell you everything.” But of course they do not meet again.

So… does anybody else know? Is there somebody who could possibly, if they wanted to, tell Jon the story?

In the books, Howland Reed, the father of the Jojen and Meera Reed (introduced in season three of the TV series), would be able to answer that question.

233 Archangelus  Mar 22, 2015 3:28:10pm

re: #229 sagehen

A “Game of Thrones”/”Song of Ice & Fire” question —

just before Jon Snow scampered off north, he asked Ned Stark about his mom, and Ned told him “next time we meet we’ll talk about your mother. I’ll tell you everything.” But of course they do not meet again.

So… does anybody else know? Is there somebody who could possibly, if they wanted to, tell Jon the story?

* Edited due to faulty keyboard and not realizing i was answering in Hebrew characters:

Slightly spoilerish:
As of the end of of book five, there are no characters that seem to have a clear answer on that subject who could talk about it with everyone’s favorite unlucky bastard.
That stated, there are a couple of popular theories running among fans based on potential hints scattered across the books, made more popular since Martin’s hinting that some of the fan theories are on the money..

234 freetoken  Mar 22, 2015 3:28:45pm

re: #222 Nyet

Fascists of the World, UNITE!

235 Nyet  Mar 22, 2015 3:29:23pm

re: #228 HappyWarrior

Doesn’t surprise me.

Voigt does surprise me. I mean, so blatant, really? In the preparation for the celebrations of the 70th anniversary of the Great Victory? They invite a German neo-Nazi for whom Hitler is a hero? While castigating everyone else for “historical revisionism”? Really?

236 BlueGrl21  Mar 22, 2015 3:29:28pm

My goal is to see the craziest sumbitch in the field win the Republican primary. Will increase voter turnout for the Dem candidate, which means for Dems in general. I want those coat tails to hit the Congressional elections too.

Cruz/Perry 2016. Narcissism and stupidity for you and me! Run boys, run!

237 A Cranky One  Mar 22, 2015 3:30:02pm

Speaking of Cruz, just checked the Urban Dictionary for “cruise”:

drive around pointlessly with a load of mates for hours

Sounds like his upcoming campaign. ;)

238 Nyet  Mar 22, 2015 3:30:29pm

re: #234 freetoken

And as usual, fascists are present together with a certain type of socialists. The left-right totalitarian convergence.

239 freetoken  Mar 22, 2015 3:31:00pm

I see (or literally, hear) Mullah Mohler now telling his followers that they should not be involved in the construction of Buddhist temples.

This of course is quite inline with his belief that Christians ought not offer their services to gays.

240 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2015 3:31:13pm

re: #224 HappyWarrior

Jared Taylor- who David Horowitz vouched for and Nick Griffin of the BNP are the two names I recognized.

Not gonna take the time to look, but I bet a nickle that UpChuck follows Jared Taylor on the twitterz.

241 Nyet  Mar 22, 2015 3:31:54pm

re: #240 Backwoods_Sleuth

Griffin too, probably.

242 freetoken  Mar 22, 2015 3:32:18pm

re: #238 Nyet

Fascistic themes have more to do with society than economic theory. Indeed, I don’t see that economics is central to the fascism seen in Europe, which is more about hyper-nationalism than anything else. Socialists can be hyper-national also.

243 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 22, 2015 3:33:23pm
Just getting ready to help design Cruz campaign posters

Not.
//

244 freetoken  Mar 22, 2015 3:33:48pm

Nationalism, secessionism, and the like, all have to do with the quest for identity, which in these cases is couched as not being “the other”.

245 Nyet  Mar 22, 2015 3:34:28pm

re: #242 freetoken

Anti-Americanism of certain leftists leads them right into the embrace of the far right and the likes of Putin.

246 HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2015 3:39:01pm

re: #245 Nyet

Anti-Americanism of certain leftists leads them right into the embrace of the far right and the likes of Putin.

I’ve sadly seen that.

247 HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2015 3:39:29pm

re: #235 Nyet

Voigt does surprise me. I mean, so blatant, really? In the preparation for the celebrations of the 70th anniversary of the Great Victory? They invite a German neo-Nazi for whom Hitler is a hero? While castigating everyone else for “historical revisionism”? Really?

You got a point there.

248 Eventual Carrion  Mar 22, 2015 3:40:11pm

re: #181 freetoken

This happened:

SUSPECT DEAD, OFFICER WOUNDED IN ARIZONA WAL-MART BRAWL

Sometimes I feel my society is breaking down into a Mad Max scenario.

Those Palin’s.

249 HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2015 3:42:30pm

re: #240 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not gonna take the time to look, but I bet a nickle that UpChuck follows Jared Taylor on the twitterz.

Wouldn’t shock me. I got no way of knowing though since I don’t do Twitterz. Taylor is big as you already know on the scientific racist crowd which is probably why Horowitz feels he can applaud him without shame which would be different if he were more the swastika wearing type.

250 Great White Snark  Mar 22, 2015 4:12:46pm

re: #209 Targetpractice

I didn’t mean only declared candidates. I’m talking about why these candidates haven’t declared. Musk and Gates have signaled no interest in politics, so why you present them as examples is a mystery. And Warren says she wants to serve out her term in the Senate, so why she is not running is obvious.

But Huntsman doesn’t seem to fit your criteria. He didn’t serve a decade or more as governor, he served a single term. He’s no major legislative record or had a solid career at a respected and innovative corporation. About the only item on your list he seems to fit is that he’s relatively young.

What mystery? I did point out “this toxic atmosphere” as excluding too many capable people. Including those I mentioned.

Do you really disagree with my point that both parties outta be giving us better choices than those offered by reasonable measures?

251 Great White Snark  Mar 22, 2015 4:20:20pm

BTW in hardware hell right this minute. My tower is kaput. Went up and got new case and power supply. it’s dead at the mb. So gotta find a way to buy new board, processors and ram. Budget- $1000 and I really only trust Intel and Asus.

252 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2015 4:25:50pm

re: #251 Great White Snark

BTW in hardware hell right this minute. My tower is kaput. Went up and got new case and power supply. it’s dead at the mb. So gotta find a way to buy new board, processors and ram. Budget- $1000 and I really only trust Intel and Asus.

I have loads of spares. Wish we lived closer so we could swap out parts until we found a combo that would work for you.

253 Great White Snark  Mar 22, 2015 4:35:42pm

re: #252 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well hey thanks for the thought. Heh disagree all day and get help offered… This place is pretty nice. I just gotta sort out the combinations to get the most bang for my hard earned. And I can’t complain the old tower was a trooper. Every HD video I produced came off that machine. It made me money. Made all those pictures and Pages. APC UPS took it out cycling on and off all night. Like every 3 seconds. Weird.

Upside-Faster machine with which to get more work done. Maybe in a week or so.

254 b_sharp  Mar 22, 2015 4:43:21pm

re: #252 Backwoods_Sleuth

I have loads of spares. Wish we lived closer so we could swap out parts until we found a combo that would work for you.

Same here.

255 Great White Snark  Mar 22, 2015 5:20:16pm

re: #254 b_sharp

Well I have a new 750 W power supply, a “gamer” Antec well cooled quiet tower case, two functioning 1 TB drives and a new in the box 3TB drive. 8 gig of older RAM in 2 gig strips. So moving forward gonna get the new CPU and board. This sucks to spend the savings $ but 4k video editing is coming fast and I was gonna need the upgrade soon anyway. Gotta stay able to do the work. 64 bit Adobe programs demand good hardware.

256 Great White Snark  Mar 22, 2015 5:30:47pm

re: #254 b_sharp

re: #252 Backwoods_Sleuth

If you have any suggestions I’d be happy to listen.

257 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2015 5:47:12pm

re: #256 Great White Snark

If you have any suggestions I’d be happy to listen.

Ask this upstairs. Might be people more knowledgeable than me. I know nothing about gaming systems.

258 Decider  Mar 22, 2015 8:31:51pm

If I were Hillary Clinton I would give half of my campaign money to Cruz. If Cruz wins the GOP nomination, Hillary basically could kill puppies on TV and still win the Presidency.

259 Tigger2005  Mar 23, 2015 9:56:18am

He didn’t need to explore anything. God told him to run, who is he to question that? Even though God has told other people to run, too.


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