Reality Check: Terrorism Cases Involving Muslim-Americans, 2014

Since the 2016 race for the presidency is already heating up at this early stage, I thought it might be a good idea to post the most recent report—published on February 9, 2015, by the University of North Carolina and the Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security—regarding homegrown terrorism.

I’m sure there will be a disproportionate amount of attention focused on the “threat” posed by American Muslims in the coming months, accompanied by no small amount of scare mongering, so I’m leaving this here as a reality check to help keep things in perspective.

Added emphasis is mine. See the source PDF following the excerpt for charts & footnotes. If you prefer spreadsheet data, you can download it from this page:

Twenty-five Muslim-Americans were associated with violent terrorism in 2014, bringing the total since 9/11 to 250, or less than 20 per year (Figure 1). A large majority of the cases involved travel (5 individuals) or attempted travel (14 individuals) to join designated terrorist organizations in Syria or (in one case) Yemen.

Only six of the 25 individuals plotted or engaged in violence in the United States in 2014 (Figure 2), matching the lowest total since 2008. (Three of these individuals are included provisionally, as the evidence is unclear at present whether their plots ought to be characterized as terrorism.)

Over the 13 years since 9/11, the U.S. government’s counterterrorism efforts have identified 109 Muslim-Americans plotting against targets in the United States. (Another 33 individuals had no publicly-known targets.) Two thirds of the domestic plots were disrupted early, with weapons or explosives provided by undercover agents or informants. Three quarters of plots involving explosives were disrupted early, compared with one third of plots with other weapons.

Twenty Muslim-Americans have carried out attacks on targets in the United States since 9/11 — nine involving firearms, seven involving explosives, two involving knives or hatchets, one each involving a car or small aircraft (Figure 3). In 2014, four terrorism-related incidents involving Muslim-Americans — two using firearms, one a knife, and one a hatchet — killed seven people in 2014, bringing the total number of fatalities in the United States from terrorism by Muslim-Americans since 9/11 to 50.1

Meanwhile, the United States suffered approximately 14,000 murders in 2014 and more than 200,000 murders since 9/11.2 While the murder rate has declined in recent years, mass shootings and “active shooter” incidents have increased.3 In 2014, there were 30 mass shootings with four or more fatalities in the United States, killing 136 people,4 more than twice as many victims as from Muslim-American terrorism in the United States in more than 13 years since 9/11. As in previous years’ editions of this report, cases of terrorism involving Muslim-Americans were identified through monitoring of news media, social media, government agency statements, and other researchers’ work on the subject.5 […]

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210 comments

1 CriticalDragon1177  Mar 23, 2015 9:10:34am

CuriousLurker,

Thanks for posting this. It clearly debunks all the paranoia surrounding “Islamic terrorism.”

2 CuriousLurker  Mar 23, 2015 9:14:09am

re: #1 CriticalDragon1177

Thanks for posting this. It clearly debunks all the paranoia surrounding “Islamic terrorism.”

You’re welcome. That’s the thing—it’s not that the threat is non-existent, it’s that it gets blown wayyyyy out of proportion.

3 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 12:01:56pm

Mad props for this page CL and thank you Charles for making it a front page. I for one am tired of the scapegoating of Muslims and especially Muslim Americans.

4 A Cranky One  Mar 23, 2015 12:03:29pm

Thanks for posting this! And thanks Charles for putting it on the front page.

5 Justanotherhuman  Mar 23, 2015 12:06:59pm

Great report, Curious! And BTW, in the words of that deep thinker, Pogo,

6 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 12:07:23pm

re: #2 CuriousLurker

You’re welcome. That’s the thing—it’s not that the threat is non-existent, it’s that it gets blown wayyyyy out of proportion.

It gets votes.

7 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 23, 2015 12:07:23pm
8 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 23, 2015 12:08:37pm

Sadly that article shows that anti-Semitic hate crimes are still more common than anti-Muslim hate crimes.

9 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 12:09:49pm

re: #7 The Mother Of All Pies

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What’s frustrating to see is they were actually declining and then started up again in 2009. I blame a lot of that on the rise of Anti-Muslim rhetoric by conservative politicians and pundits in the Obama presidency. I was no fan of President Bush but President BUsh condemned anti-Muslim bigotry, that’s more than you can say about any Republican running for president this time.

10 Dr Lizardo  Mar 23, 2015 12:09:57pm

Great post, C_L.

11 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 23, 2015 12:14:29pm

re: #10 Dr Lizardo

Hey Lizardo in one week I will be enjoying a short visit in your lovely country!

12 Justanotherhuman  Mar 23, 2015 12:15:24pm

re: #8 The Mother Of All Pies

The rise of the fascist RW since 9/11 is very, very evident throughout Republican ideology.

13 freetoken  Mar 23, 2015 12:16:53pm

How many children die or are maimed every year by guns?

How many people are killed by drunk drivers?

14 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 12:17:11pm

re: #9 HappyWarrior

Grover Norquist, once an icon, is being hounded by the new generation of conservatives because he doesn’t happen to be an anti-Muslim bigot.

15 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 12:18:03pm

re: #14 Nyet

Grover Norquist, once an icon, is being hounded by the new generation of conservatives because he doesn’t happen to be an anti-Muslim bigot.

Yep, that shows you how fucked up things are and I honestly feel some sympathy to Norquist. Can’t help it. We’re not called bleeding hearts for nothing.

16 Dark_Falcon  Mar 23, 2015 12:19:55pm

re: #8 The Mother Of All Pies

Sadly that article shows that anti-Semitic hate crimes are still more common than anti-Muslim hate crimes.

Some of that can be attributed to the fact that the US is one of few countries outside Israel with more Jews than Muslims.

17 GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 23, 2015 12:20:37pm

But all those shootings are only carried out by liberals and n-CLANGS!!!!!!!

18 Dark_Falcon  Mar 23, 2015 12:22:09pm

re: #14 Nyet

Grover Norquist, once an icon, is being hounded by the new generation of conservatives because he doesn’t happen to be an anti-Muslim bigot.

He’s actually married to a Muslim woman and for that is called an “agent of the Muslim Brotherhood” by Pam Geller and Robert Spencer.

19 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 23, 2015 12:22:25pm

re: #16 Dark_Falcon

Some of that can be attributed to the fact that the US is one of few countries outside Israel with more Jews than Muslims.

Also more hate crimes against Jews in Canada.

20 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 12:22:44pm

re: #12 Justanotherhuman

The rise of the fascist RW since 9/11 is very, very evident throughout Republican ideology.

It will get worse before it gets better because there are no prominent elected Republicans willing to call out anti-Muslim bigotry for what it is.

21 Dr Lizardo  Mar 23, 2015 12:23:04pm

re: #11 The Mother Of All Pies

Hey Lizardo in one week I will be enjoying a short visit in your lovely country!

Nice. :) I certainly hope that you enjoy your stay in Prague.

22 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 12:23:05pm

re: #18 Dark_Falcon

And he’s also made some outreach attempts. Totally a crime in today’s GOP.

23 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 12:24:23pm

re: #18 Dark_Falcon

He’s actually married to a Muslim woman and for that is called an “agent of the Muslim Brotherhood” by Pam Geller and Robert Spencer.

And the really nutty think he’s one because he has a beard. I actually though I despise him and his life’s work do feel a little pity for the guy since it’s disgusting what they’re doing to him. I would hope that it would cause him to really re-evaluate what he’s involved himself over the years. But as John Lennon said, you may say I’m a dreamer.

24 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 12:25:28pm

re: #23 HappyWarrior

It may be literally the only good thing about him, and he’s being spit on because of it.

25 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 12:26:10pm

I think the base always had the anti-Muslim sentiment really. The difference now though is the politicians espouse the rhetoric. I remember pointing out to anti Muslim wingnut bigots I knew that PResident Bush had a Muslim man as the ambassador to Afghanistan. That Bush had urged tolerance for Muslims after 9/11 but none of the matter to them and they kept on espousing bigotry towards Muslims even though I would bet you good money that they had encountered few if any Muslims in their lives. I really do have a lot of legitimate gripes with the Bush presidency and the man himself but I can’t call him an Islamaphobe enabler.

26 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 12:26:46pm

re: #24 Nyet

It may be literally the only good thing about him, and he’s being spit on because of it.

Yep.

27 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 23, 2015 12:27:59pm

re: #25 HappyWarrior

I think the base always had the anti-Muslim sentiment really. The difference now though is the politicians espouse the rhetoric. I remember pointing out to anti Muslim wingnut bigots I knew that PResident Bush had a Muslim man as the ambassador to Afghanistan. That Bush had urged tolerance for Muslims after 9/11. I really do have a lot of legitimate gripes with the Bush presidency and the man himself but I can’t call him an Islamaphobe enabler.

That was also a redeeming aspect of Chris Christie: he totally swatted down some Islamophobes who attacked him for his appointment of a Muslim judge.

28 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 12:29:13pm

re: #27 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

That was also a redeeming aspect of Chris Christie: he totally swatted down some Islamophobes who attacked him for his appointment of a Muslim judge.

Yeah that was a brief moment where Christie deserved an atta boy. How said is that though? That he get an atta boy for simple human decency and not believing in crazy conspiracies about Muslim Americans.

29 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 12:29:18pm

re: #27 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

That was also a redeeming aspect of Chris Christie: he totally swatted down some Islamophobes who attacked him for his appointment of a Muslim judge.

That too. CC is a flaming douche, but there’s some humanity there inside. Can’t say the same about the other GOP top stars.

30 Lidane  Mar 23, 2015 12:29:52pm

It only counts if they say the Pledge in English, though:

31 freetoken  Mar 23, 2015 12:30:06pm

I wonder what the first GOP “debate” will be like.

I wonder how long into said debate an implied damnation of all muslims will show up.

32 Charles Johnson  Mar 23, 2015 12:30:37pm
33 Charles Johnson  Mar 23, 2015 12:30:50pm
34 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 12:31:01pm

re: #30 Lidane

It only counts if they say the Pledge in English, though:

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They would most likely actually believe what they are pledging, unlike certain members of the GOP.

35 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 12:31:05pm

re: #29 Nyet

That too. CC is a flaming douche, but there’s some humanity there inside. Can’t say the same about the other GOP top stars.

I can see the human side of Christie. The guy’s a pathetic asshole most of the time but I definitely see the human side of him. Not just with that but him talking about the destruction of the boardwalk at the one resort town in Jersey following Sandy. As someone who has gone to a beach resort town like that pretty much every year since I was a kid, that was something I could relate to him on. He loses me when he starts berating teachers for wanting better wages and pensions though.

36 freetoken  Mar 23, 2015 12:31:12pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

Under pain of penalty.

37 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 12:31:25pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

Know nothing about the man. Was he a version of Pinochet?

38 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 23, 2015 12:32:50pm

re: #30 Lidane

It only counts if they say the Pledge in English, though:

Tom DeLay says any Muslim running for office must be asked if they’ll pledge allegiance to the flag and Constitution:

He just wants to catch them slipping up and reciting:

..”one nation under ALLAHU AKHBAR MOHAMMED JIHAD DURKHA DURKHA!!! With liberty and Justice for all non-infidels!!!”

…and then their secret plot will be revealed

39 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 12:33:40pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

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I read the obituary in the paper today. When I was a little kid, I would often discuss current events with my grandmother and I remember her telling me about the American diplomat’s son who got caned by the Singapore government for spray painting the cars. I know it’s not fair to the people who live there but that’s my mental image of Singapore as soon as I hear the country named.

40 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 23, 2015 12:35:19pm

Cruz/Nugent 2016

The Walking Teds.

41 Lidane  Mar 23, 2015 12:36:23pm

Because DRILL BABY DRILL! KEYSTONE XL 4EVA! is hard to remember:

42 Dark_Falcon  Mar 23, 2015 12:37:45pm

re: #37 Nyet

Know nothing about the man. Was he a version of Pinochet?

No. He wasn’t a career officer as Pinochet was, and though authoritarian, Lee Kuan Yew didn’t cause very many deaths. Canings instead of firing squads.

43 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 12:38:15pm

re: #38 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Iä! Iä! One non-Euclidean basalt city under the ocean! Eternal unnameable horrors and strange aeons for all!

44 Charles Johnson  Mar 23, 2015 12:38:57pm

re: #37 Nyet

Not quite that bad, but here’s a Google search with info on why I said this: google.com

45 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 12:40:11pm

re: #42 Dark_Falcon

re: #44 Charles Johnson

OK, thanks.

46 Justanotherhuman  Mar 23, 2015 12:40:58pm

Someone was asking about Lee Kuan Yew? He was no democrat and crushed opposition and ruled Singapore with a heavy hand, anointing his son (in 2004) as his successor:

“It also animated his arguments about why opposition politicians should not be allowed to govern.

“There is a heavy price to pay if mediocrities and opportunists ever take control of the government,” he said in 1982.”

(snip)

“Lee saw moral failings in the liberal democracy of the West and believed that “good government” and economic advancement were a more important national goal than individual liberties. He considered “so-called human rights” largely irrelevant to the growth of developing Asian nations.”

latimes.com

47 Shiplord Kirel  Mar 23, 2015 12:41:21pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

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Lee’s Singapore was well known for strait-laced grooming standards. A popular American entertainer was denied admission because, according to Lee, the man was “a long haired hippie.” The entertainer was Wayne Newton.

48 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 23, 2015 12:42:30pm

re: #47 Shiplord Kirel

Lee’s Singapore was well known for strait-laced grooming standards. A popular American entertainer was denied admission because, according to Lee, the man was “a long haired hippie.” The entertainer was Wayne Newton.

Didn’t they also ban chewing gum from public places?

49 Dark_Falcon  Mar 23, 2015 12:43:08pm

re: #48 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Didn’t they also ban chewing gum from public places?

yes.

50 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 12:44:18pm

re: #47 Shiplord Kirel

Lee’s Singapore was well known for strait-laced grooming standards. A popular American entertainer was denied admission because, according to Lee, the man was “a long haired hippie.” The entertainer was Wayne Newton.

Reminds me of when Reagan’s Interior Secretary denied the Beach Boys permission to play on the Mall. It was later rescinded thankfully but that was yet another reason why James Watt has a good rivalry with Albert Fall on how not to be a Interior Secretary.

51 Shiplord Kirel  Mar 23, 2015 12:44:28pm

re: #48 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Didn’t they also ban chewing gum from public places?

Still do, with draconian fines or even jail time for violators.

For some reason, probably having to do with profit, libertarians love Singapore.

52 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 12:45:29pm

re: #51 Shiplord Kirel

Still do, with draconian fines or even jail time for violators.

For some reason, probably having to do with profit, libertarians love Singapore.

Business rights before individual liberties.

53 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 23, 2015 12:46:04pm

re: #52 HappyWarrior

Business rights before individual liberties.

Disneyland also bans chewing gum…

54 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 23, 2015 12:46:41pm

re: #48 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Didn’t they also ban chewing gum from public places?

Ha! I remember when officials in the Soviet Olympic delegations would confiscate chewing gum any of their athletes were given by the locals or other athletes.

Their thinking was that chewing gum was the ultimate example of capitalism run amok. They pictured evil Monopoly Men plotting in some smoke-filled room: “Hey, I bet we can get people to chew rubber if we market it right!”

Can’t honestly disagree with them.

55 Charles Johnson  Mar 23, 2015 12:47:10pm

We had a layover in Singapore on one of the tours I did with Al Jarreau, and the customs form we had to fill out had big red capital letters at the bottom warning that the penalty for drug smuggling was DEATH.

56 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 12:48:37pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

Creepy.

57 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 12:48:45pm

re: #53 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Disneyland also bans chewing gum…

Yeah but I doubt Mickey canes you if you break that rule.

59 Justanotherhuman  Mar 23, 2015 12:49:44pm

British Prime Minister David Cameron says he will not serve a 3rd term if his party remains in government after general election - @BBCNews

bbc.com

60 makeitstop  Mar 23, 2015 12:50:17pm

re: #50 HappyWarrior

Reminds me of when Reagan’s Interior Secretary denied the Beach Boys permission to play on the Mall. It was later rescinded thankfully but that was yet another reason why James Watt has a good rivalry with Albert Fall on how not to be a Interior Secretary.

I think Watt was the first Dominionist to be Sec. of Interior.

61 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 12:50:56pm

re: #60 makeitstop

I think Watt was the first Dominionist to be Sec. of Interior.

Sounds about right. Seriously though, the Beach Boys were too lewd for the guy. I bet he’s fun at parties.

62 Kragar  Mar 23, 2015 12:51:03pm
63 #FergusonFireside  Mar 23, 2015 12:51:14pm

Here’s another shot.

And the link has more photos from the science fair.

64 Shiplord Kirel  Mar 23, 2015 12:52:32pm

re: #50 HappyWarrior

Reminds me of when Reagan’s Interior Secretary denied the Beach Boys permission to play on the Mall. It was later rescinded thankfully but that was yet another reason why James Watt has a good rivalry with Albert Fall on how not to be a Interior Secretary.

I think Watt wins hands down. Fall was just a garden variety crook, Watt was a seriously deranged ideologue who thought the environment didn’t matter because Jesus was coming back soon anyway.
Watt got away with a lot because his brand of kook fundamentalism was not as well known then as it is now. A lot of people just didn’t know it was possible for such a person to penetrate the halls of power.

65 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 12:53:34pm

re: #64 Shiplord Kirel

I think Watt wins hands down. Fall was just a garden variety crook, Watt was a seriously deranged ideologue who thought the environment didn’t matter because Jesus was coming back soon anyway.
Watt got away with a lot because his brand of kook fundamentalism was not as well known then as it is now. A lot of people just didn’t know it was possible for such a person to penetrate the halls of power.

Yeah good points. Man what a nutter. Just thinking about it.

66 Charles Johnson  Mar 23, 2015 12:55:11pm

What. An. Asshole.

67 wrenchwench  Mar 23, 2015 12:55:21pm

re: #42 Dark_Falcon

No. He wasn’t a career officer as Pinochet was, and though authoritarian, Lee Kuan Yew didn’t cause very many deaths. Canings instead of firing squads.

He didn’t have to be the killer to cause deaths. Talk is often deadly, let alone canings.

68 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 12:55:37pm

re: #63 #FergusonFireside

2018, Christian Pres. Cruz with Christian children at the Bible fun camp presentation of govt. sponsored creation science projects.

69 Charles Johnson  Mar 23, 2015 12:55:59pm
70 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 12:57:49pm

re: #69 Charles Johnson

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Obama having white friends hasn’t stopped wingnuts from claiming that Obama has a vendetta against whites, Chuckles. Is Cruz a KKK type racist, no, but does he exploit racism for votes and support, you bet your ass he does and that is RACIST.

71 Justanotherhuman  Mar 23, 2015 12:58:45pm

Bwahahahaha!

Ted Cruz Responds To Gov. Jerry Brown Calling Him ‘Absolutely Unfit’ To Run For Office

Cruz responded on Breitbart News.

thinkprogress.org

What a fucking bucket-head. Yeah, I engaged in an ad hominem attack, Cruz, so suck on it.

72 Ace-o-aces  Mar 23, 2015 12:59:02pm

re: #69 Charles Johnson

73 Dark_Falcon  Mar 23, 2015 12:59:08pm

re: #70 HappyWarrior

Obama having white friends hasn’t stopped wingnuts from claiming that Obama has a vendetta against whites, Chuckles. Is Cruz a KKK type racist, no, but does he exploit racism for votes and support, you bet your ass he does and that is RACIST.

Honest question: How has he done that?

74 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 12:59:34pm

re: #71 Justanotherhuman

Bwahahahaha!

Ted Cruz Responds To Gov. Jerry Brown Calling Him ‘Absolutely Unfit’ To Run For Office

Cruz responded on Breitbart News.

thinkprogress.org

What a fucking bucke-thead. Yeah, I engaged in an ad hominem attack, Cruz, so suck on it.

Says a lot about him that he responds via Breitbart. Nice leadership material there. Showing again that he wants to be the president of wingnut America.

75 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 1:00:00pm

re: #73 Dark_Falcon

Honest question: How has he done that?

Scapegoating immigrants.

76 BlueGrl21  Mar 23, 2015 1:00:12pm

re: #30 Lidane

It only counts if they say the Pledge in English, though:

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Please, as a woman who was once represented by this man in Congress, please give him no attention whatsoever. We simply do not want to give him the impression that anyone gives a shit about what he has to say.

However, we fully support everyone encouraging him to go on Survivor.

77 Lidane  Mar 23, 2015 1:00:53pm

re: #71 Justanotherhuman

Random OT question about Breitbart — how was his last name pronounced? I’ve heard it said “Bright-bart” and “Brayt-bart”.

78 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 23, 2015 1:01:29pm

re: #73 Dark_Falcon

Honest question: How has he done that?

Supporting police and immigration policies that target blacks and minorities, supporting tax, education and health care policies that disproportionately disadvantage minorities.

And supporting marriage policies that discriminate against gays. Not racist, just assholish.

79 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 1:01:29pm

well, haven’t heard this DARVO butt whine before:

80 Targetpractice  Mar 23, 2015 1:01:32pm

re: #77 Lidane

Random OT question about Breitbart — how was his last name pronounced? I’ve heard it said “Bright-bart” and “Brayt-bart”.

“Asshat.”

81 Kragar  Mar 23, 2015 1:01:41pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

This from the guy who said he was boycotting Starbucks last week

82 Justanotherhuman  Mar 23, 2015 1:01:42pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

Obviously, no one told him it had been canned for now. news.yahoo.com

83 b_sharp  Mar 23, 2015 1:02:26pm

My brother really liked my wife because ‘she doesn’t really act like an Indian’.

Did he act racist to my wife? Not at all.
Was he racist against Aboriginals he didn’t know personally? Yes, indeed.

84 Lidane  Mar 23, 2015 1:02:41pm

re: #80 Targetpractice

“Asshat.”

Well, yes. That’s the literal translation from the original Wingnut dialect.

I’m just curious how it was pronounced is all. :)

85 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 1:03:55pm

re: #79 Backwoods_Sleuth

well, haven’t heard this DARVO butt whine before:

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President is a little different from a Senator announcing his presidential candidacy. And I’ve never heard of any Obama moment where people were required to be there or else face a fine but keep your head up Cruz’s ass, Chuckles, you know where to find the shit.

86 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 23, 2015 1:04:22pm

From PZ’s place:


So that’s why it’s called a CAT SCAN.
87 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 1:04:46pm

re: #83 b_sharp

My brother really liked my wife because ‘she doesn’t really act like an Indian’.

Did he act racist to my wife? Not at all.
Was he racist against Aboriginals he didn’t know personally? Yes, indeed.

Great post Sharp.

88 Kragar  Mar 23, 2015 1:05:32pm

re: #79 Backwoods_Sleuth

I hereby dub CCJ “Yippy the Wonder Mutt”

89 wrenchwench  Mar 23, 2015 1:05:51pm

re: #75 HappyWarrior

Scapegoating immigrants.

She’s on a roll.

90 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 1:05:52pm

re: #77 Lidane

I’d say Bright-bart, but only because the name comes from German. No idea about the pronunciation rules for Anglicized German surnames.

91 lawhawk  Mar 23, 2015 1:07:29pm

re: #75 HappyWarrior

Xenophobia. Sometimes masquerades as concern trolling - because we might let in folks who are sick, and we have to protect our borders, but it still is racism and doesn’t stand scrutiny.

cbsnews.com

dallasnews.com

92 withak  Mar 23, 2015 1:07:35pm

re: #90 Nyet

I’d say Bright-bart, but only because the name comes from German. No idea about the pronunciation rules for Anglicized German surnames.

The only rule is that there are no rules.

93 wrenchwench  Mar 23, 2015 1:07:38pm

re: #90 Nyet

I’d say Bright-bart, but only because the name comes from German. No idea about the pronunciation rules for Anglicized German surnames.

The rules are there to be broken.

94 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 23, 2015 1:07:40pm

re: #86 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

From PZ’s place:

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I guess if it were a domestic cat, they’d have the option of a Pet Scan.
//

95 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 1:07:50pm

In fact, I know Chuckles is full of shit regarding President Obama because President Obama had a speech at my university and attendance was not required in the slightest.

96 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 23, 2015 1:08:12pm

re: #92 withak

The only rule is that there are no rules.

Well, and don’t talk about Fight Club.

And nobody not named Bruce.

97 Charles Johnson  Mar 23, 2015 1:08:27pm

re: #73 Dark_Falcon

Honest question: How has he done that?

Just off the top of my head, there was the time Cruz said the US Senate could use “a hundred more like Jesse Helms.”

98 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 23, 2015 1:08:37pm

re: #84 Lidane

Well, yes. That’s the literal translation from the original Wingnut dialect.

I’m just curious how it was pronounced is all. :)

Bright-bart. “Wide-beard.”

99 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 1:08:53pm

re: #91 lawhawk

Xenophobia. Sometimes masquerades as concern trolling - because we might let in folks who are sick, and we have to protect our borders, but it still is racism and doesn’t stand scrutiny.

cbsnews.com

dallasnews.com

Thanks. I thought I had remembered him dong that during the Ebola scare. And frankly Cruz can be tolerant towards African Americans while being bigoted to other groups.

100 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 23, 2015 1:09:00pm

re: #97 Charles Johnson

Just off the top of my head, there was the time Cruz said the US Senate could use “a hundred more like Jesse Helms.”

We have a winner.

101 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 1:09:11pm

re: #97 Charles Johnson

Just off the top of my head, there was the time Cruz said the US Senate could use “a hundred more like Jesse Helms.”

You’re shitting me. He actually said that? Egads.

102 lawhawk  Mar 23, 2015 1:09:49pm

re: #101 HappyWarrior

Yes. He did.

103 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 1:09:58pm
104 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 1:10:29pm

re: #102 lawhawk

Yes. He did.

If I came off like I didn’t believe Charles, I apologize, it’s just w-o-w.

105 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 1:10:47pm

re: #98 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Bright-bart. “Wide-beard.”

Arrr, me hearties.

106 Dark_Falcon  Mar 23, 2015 1:11:27pm

re: #104 HappyWarrior

If I came off like I didn’t believe Charles, I apologize, it’s just w-o-w.

yeah, wow is right.

107 b.d.  Mar 23, 2015 1:11:54pm

re: #69 Charles Johnson

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Where is Chuck’s black best friend?

108 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 1:12:05pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’s not going to get far. Someone pointed out the other day that he’s polled worse than Rubio and Cruz doesn’t have a Fredo Corleone moment yet.

109 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 23, 2015 1:12:31pm

re: #104 HappyWarrior

If I came off like I didn’t believe Charles, I apologize, it’s just w-o-w.

Nah, that’s not how you came off. Just garden variety incredulity in the face of the incredible. Gobsmacked, if you will.

110 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 1:13:48pm

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

yeah, wow is right.

Yeah I mean if he had said someone like Goldwater, fine, but Helms? Helms who as I am sure you are aware bragged about he was going to make the first African American woman in the Senate cry by whistling Dixie. I for one hope Carol Moseley Braun kicked his decrepit ass for that shit.

111 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 1:13:51pm

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

yeah, wow is right.

If he is the candidate, you’ll vote for him anyway.

112 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 1:15:01pm

re: #109 Blind Frog Belly White

Nah, that’s not how you came off. Just garden variety incredulity in the face of the incredible. Gobsmacked, if you will.

I mean that’s even more fucked up than the Lott statement on Thurmond that got him in trouble since with that you could argue that Lott was at least trying to flatter the old bastard but Jesse Helms has no direct line with Cruz and the two never served together.

113 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 23, 2015 1:15:33pm

re: #90 Nyet

I’d say Bright-bart, but only because the name comes from German. No idea about the pronunciation rules for Anglicized German surnames.

The rule is: use the stupidest mispronunciation you can think up—until somebody thinks up a stupider one. This applies to all nationalities.

Seriously, though: the war’s over, we canned the Kaiser. It’s time for American Jews whose names end in “Stein” to stop pronouncing it “steen” to sound “less German”.

114 Decatur Deb  Mar 23, 2015 1:16:13pm

re: #57 HappyWarrior

Yeah but I doubt Mickey canes you if you break that rule.

You have to do the “Small World” ride again.

115 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 23, 2015 1:16:38pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

I mean that’s even more fucked up than the Lott statement on Thurmond that got him in trouble since with that you could argue that Lott was at least trying to flatter the old bastard but Jesse Helms has no direct line with Cruz and the two never served together.

And Lott was trying to flatter Thurmond on his retirement, whereas Helms is, you know, DEAD.

116 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 1:16:48pm

re: #113 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The rule is: use the stupidest mispronunciation you can think up—until somebody thinks up a stupider one. This applies to all nationalities.

Seriously, though: the war’s over, we canned the Kaiser. It’s time for American Jews whose names end in “Stein” to stop pronouncing it “steen” to sound “less German”.

Is that so? Never knew that about last names ending in stein.

117 lawhawk  Mar 23, 2015 1:16:58pm

re: #104 HappyWarrior

No, didn’t think that at all. Just figured you ought to see Cruz in all of his splendid craziness.

118 Romantic Heretic  Mar 23, 2015 1:17:47pm

re: #20 HappyWarrior

It will get worse before it gets better because there are no prominent elected Republicans willing to call out anti-Muslim bigotry for what it is.

Such a person would lose the next election they contested.

If they lived to see it.

119 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 1:17:53pm

re: #115 Blind Frog Belly White

And Lott was trying to flatter Thurmond on his retirement, whereas Helms is, you know, DEAD.

Yeah no defense at all for what Lott said but there’s at least some context to it. And while he never apologized like Byrd, I think Thurmond did show some growth as a man. Jesse Helms. He left the senate the same bigoted creep eh entered it as.

120 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 1:17:57pm

re: #113 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

How does “stein” turn to “steen”? On the other hand, never mind and thanks for all the ghoti.

121 lawhawk  Mar 23, 2015 1:18:12pm

re: #113 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

122 Dark_Falcon  Mar 23, 2015 1:18:52pm

re: #115 Blind Frog Belly White

And Lott was trying to flatter Thurmond on his retirement, whereas Helms is, you know, DEAD.

It’s a statement of affinity with certain types of white Southern voters. Not really a ‘dog whistle’ because Jesse Helms’ life and career are too well known.

123 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 1:19:12pm

re: #121 lawhawk

I need to see that one day…

124 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 1:19:28pm

re: #114 Decatur Deb

You have to do the “Small World” ride again.

Hopefully, it won’t be on fire again like it was earlier this month…

125 A Cranky One  Mar 23, 2015 1:20:06pm

re: #116 HappyWarrior

Is that so? Never knew that about last names ending in stein.

126 CuriousLurker  Mar 23, 2015 1:20:44pm

Whoa, wasn’t expecting to see this one on the front page. Thanks, Charles.

Also, thanks to the rest of you who commented on it. I’m still kind of in the middle of my workday, so please accept this acknowledgement as updings until I have time later to come back and do them properly. ;-)

127 wrenchwench  Mar 23, 2015 1:20:44pm

re: #111 Nyet

If he is the candidate, you’ll vote for him anyway.

I was gonna say something about ‘time to change parties?’ but could not find enough sarc tags.

128 A Cranky One  Mar 23, 2015 1:20:56pm

re: #125 A Cranky One

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Dang it, missed it by that much.

129 makeitstop  Mar 23, 2015 1:20:59pm

re: #124 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hopefully, it won’t be on fire again like it was earlier this month…

I need video of that. That ride tortured me at the NYC World’s Fair, and has haunted me since.

130 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 1:21:22pm

re: #128 A Cranky One

Dang it, missed it by that much.

It’s a great movie. Feldman was great as Eye-gor.

131 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 23, 2015 1:21:26pm

re: #124 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hopefully, it won’t be on fire again like it was earlier this month…

Maybe that was what Cruz meant when he told the little girl her world was on fire.

132 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 23, 2015 1:22:00pm

re: #130 HappyWarrior

It’s a great movie. Feldman was great as Eye-gor.

Abby…someone.

133 Decatur Deb  Mar 23, 2015 1:22:08pm

re: #129 makeitstop

I need video of that. That ride tortured me at the NYC World’s Fair, and has haunted me since.

Florida’s is upgraded. Now it’s a boatride—same song, but at least you can attempt drowning.

134 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 1:22:24pm

re: #132 Blind Frog Belly White

Abby…someone.

Abby Normal.

135 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 23, 2015 1:23:08pm

re: #130 HappyWarrior

It’s a great movie. Feldman was great as Eye-gor.

And Teri Garr was a helluva babe in those days.

136 wrenchwench  Mar 23, 2015 1:23:32pm

re: #133 Decatur Deb

Florida’s is upgraded. Now it’s a boatride—same song, but at least you can attempt drowning.

Once in the Anaheim one, we stopped the boats by holding the sides.

137 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 1:23:49pm

re: #129 makeitstop

I need video of that. That ride tortured me at the NYC World’s Fair, and has haunted me since.

I had the date wrong, it happened on February 28 (but close enough, I suppose)

138 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 1:24:25pm

re: #135 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

And Teri Garr was a helluva babe in those days.

Yes, she was. Inga man. Mel got some beautiful women for his roles. The woman who played Ulla in the original Producers was smoking too. Lee Meredith, I think.

139 Decatur Deb  Mar 23, 2015 1:24:39pm

re: #136 wrenchwench

Once in the Anaheim one, we stopped the boats by holding the sides.

That’s how you meet Mickey’s Swat Team.

140 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 1:25:03pm

re: #139 Decatur Deb

That’s how you meet Mickey’s Swat Team.

You’re in for an ass kicking ha-ha!

141 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 23, 2015 1:25:05pm

re: #135 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

And Teri Garr was a helluva babe in those days.

And Madeline Kahn…..

142 wrenchwench  Mar 23, 2015 1:25:20pm

re: #139 Decatur Deb

That’s how you meet Mickey’s Swat Team.

One of the ways.

143 wrenchwench  Mar 23, 2015 1:26:49pm

re: #130 HappyWarrior

It’s a great movie. Feldman was great as Eye-gor.

I had Feldman-eyes until they straightened up. Still don’t see quite straight.

144 Justanotherhuman  Mar 23, 2015 1:27:06pm

re: #135 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Truly sad that she developed multiple sclerosis and then had a brain aneurysm in 2006. I liked her down to earth style.

145 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 1:27:48pm
146 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 1:29:12pm

re: #143 wrenchwench

How was “wrenchwench” pronounced in those days?

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147 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 23, 2015 1:29:17pm

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

Was actually there that day, but we had finally left the park and were at dinner when the fire happened.

148 Varek Raith  Mar 23, 2015 1:29:23pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

News story and another video:

Disneyland Fire: Watch ‘It’s A Small World’ Ride Catching Fire, Causes Social Media Flurry [VIDEO]

Karma for such an irritating song.
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149 Justanotherhuman  Mar 23, 2015 1:29:30pm

Six inches of snow at Chicago airport…

instagram.com

150 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 23, 2015 1:30:19pm

re: #141 Blind Frog Belly White

And Madeline Kahn…..

“Ah, sweet mystery of life at last I’ve found you….”

151 makeitstop  Mar 23, 2015 1:30:26pm

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

I had the date wrong, it happened on February 28 (but close enough, I suppose)

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Video

Thank you. Now I can die a reasonably happy man. ;)

152 wrenchwench  Mar 23, 2015 1:31:01pm

re: #146 Nyet

How was “wrenchwench” pronounced in those days?

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It had not yet appeared! I did ride my Schwinn Varsity to school, because I could not catch the bus!

153 wrenchwench  Mar 23, 2015 1:31:41pm

re: #147 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Was actually there that day, but we had finally left the park and were at dinner when the fire happened.

I was 1,000s of miles away! I swear!

154 makeitstop  Mar 23, 2015 1:31:50pm

re: #146 Nyet

How was “wrenchwench” pronounced in those days?

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Wrenchwench-steen.

155 A Cranky One  Mar 23, 2015 1:31:55pm

re: #130 HappyWarrior

It’s a great movie. Feldman was great as Eye-gor.

A favorite. Fun fact: the labratory props used in Young Frankenstein were the same props used for the 1931 Frankenstein movies.

Mel Brooks says that Kenneth Strickfaden, the man who created the props, still had them in his garage. When they found out, Strickfaden dusted them off, plugged them in, and they all worked. “I asked [20th Century] Fox if we could rent them, and give him a decent sum of money,” says Brooks.

156 Slap  Mar 23, 2015 1:32:27pm

re: #123 Nyet

I need to see that one day…

No, you need to see it RIGHT AWAY. One of the greatest comedies ever made, brilliant performances by EVERYONE. If pressed, I’d highlight Kenneth Mars in particular as (barely) above the rest of the cast. But that guy just cracks me up. (“Volloving in his vadher’s vutshtaps”) He’s priceless in the Producers, as well.

But truly, you must correct this oversight at your soonest opportunity.

157 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 23, 2015 1:33:26pm

re: #153 wrenchwench

I was 1,000s of miles away! I swear!

I think the articles I saw at the time were that it was just after the fireworks, which is kind of amusing because just after we heard the fireworks start the skies opened up and it poured for about 15 minutes.

Fortunately our outdoor table was underneath a stairwell and so we were able to stay dry. (The drinks there were very, very tasty.)

158 A Cranky One  Mar 23, 2015 1:33:46pm

re: #147 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Was actually there that day, but we had finally left the park and were at dinner when the fire happened.

So you used a delayed fuse? ////<evil but understanding grin>

159 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 1:33:47pm

re: #156 Slap

Will do.

160 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 1:35:09pm

re: #155 A Cranky One

A favorite. Fun fact: the labratory props used in Young Frankenstein were the same props used for the 1931 Frankenstein movies.

Mel Brooks says that Kenneth Strickfaden, the man who created the props, still had them in his garage. When they found out, Strickfaden dusted them off, plugged them in, and they all worked. “I asked [20th Century] Fox if we could rent them, and give him a decent sum of money,” says Brooks.

Yeah my film studies teacher pointed that out. Really cool stuff.

161 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 1:35:29pm

re: #158 A Cranky One

So you used a delayed fuse? ////<evil but understanding grin>

An evil delayed fuse!

162 wrenchwench  Mar 23, 2015 1:35:30pm

re: #157 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I think the articles I saw at the time were that it was just after the fireworks, which is kind of amusing because just after we heard the fireworks start the skies opened up and it poured for about 15 minutes.

Fortunately our outdoor table was underneath a stairwell and so we were able to stay dry. (The drinks there were very, very tasty.)

When I was a kid, we could go up on a nearby hill and see the fireworks.

163 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 1:35:37pm

The hunchback assistant by the way is not Igor but Friz in the original Whale film too.

164 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mar 23, 2015 1:36:22pm

re: #53 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Disneyland also bans chewing gum…

So does Liberty Island, after cleaning crews had to remove 600 pounds of used gum from the Statue of Liberty back in 1990.

165 Justanotherhuman  Mar 23, 2015 1:36:54pm

Oh, for chrissakes…and they’re probably celebrating this over at FN.

Indiana House passes controversial religious freedom bill that would allow business owners to refuse service to customers based on religious beliefs - @FOX59

fox59.com

166 Decatur Deb  Mar 23, 2015 1:38:00pm

re: #165 Justanotherhuman

Oh, for chrissakes…and they’re probably celebrating this over at FN.

Indiana House passes controversial religious freedom bill that would allow business owners to refuse service to customers based on religious beliefs - @FOX59

fox59.com

Golden Age of appeal lawyers.

167 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 1:38:02pm

re: #165 Justanotherhuman

Oh, for chrissakes…and they’re probably celebrating this over at FN.

Indiana House passes controversial religious freedom bill that would allow business owners to refuse service to customers based on religious beliefs - @FOX59

fox59.com

So I’m sure they’re okay with Muslim owners refusing to serve Christians right? ///

168 Dark_Falcon  Mar 23, 2015 1:38:03pm

re: #149 Justanotherhuman

Six inches of snow at Chicago airport…

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Now, what was that about global warming?

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169 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 23, 2015 1:38:46pm

re: #155 A Cranky One

A favorite. Fun fact: the labratory props used in Young Frankenstein were the same props used for the 1931 Frankenstein movies.

Mel Brooks says that Kenneth Strickfaden, the man who created the props, still had them in his garage. When they found out, Strickfaden dusted them off, plugged them in, and they all worked. “I asked [20th Century] Fox if we could rent them, and give him a decent sum of money,” says Brooks.

I actually built a Jacob’s Ladder in electronics class in high school. Getting the wires bent just right so the spark crawls up them properly is the kind of job that causes people to run amok with a fire ax.

170 Shiplord Kirel  Mar 23, 2015 1:38:48pm

re: #97 Charles Johnson

Just off the top of my head, there was the time Cruz said the US Senate could use “a hundred more like Jesse Helms.”

Yikes!
Helms was as close to being an outright fascist as any member of Congress in living memory. Unlike many southern racist senators and reps, he made a point of dabbling in foreign policy. He was probably the most influential supporter of apartheid South Africa in the US, he was a great friend and defender of Pinochet, and he even supported the Argentine fascist junta’s ill-fated invasion of the Falkland Islands.

171 Decatur Deb  Mar 23, 2015 1:38:55pm

re: #167 HappyWarrior

So I’m sure they’re okay with Muslim owners refusing to serve Christians right? ///

Kidding? Those assholes wouldn’t trust Pillsbury Crescent Rolls.

172 Dr Lizardo  Mar 23, 2015 1:39:56pm

re: #165 Justanotherhuman

And you know what? The instant they’re on the receiving end of some “religious freedom”, they’re gonna whine and pout and stamp their feet and hold their breath until their faces turn blue and bloviate about how remorselessly they’re being persecuted.

*spit*

173 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 1:41:01pm

re: #171 Decatur Deb

Kidding? Those assholes wouldn’t trust Pillsbury Crescent Rolls.

Oh I’m totally kidding.

174 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 1:41:25pm

re: #168 Dark_Falcon

Now, what was that about global warming?

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Currently 54F here in the backwoods and my daffodils are ready to burst into bloom.
Forecast for tonight and tomorrow morning is snow.
Wednesday’s high is supposed to be 71F and thunderstorms.

I. Give. Up.

175 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 1:41:40pm

re: #170 Shiplord Kirel

Yikes!
Helms was as close to being an outright fascist as any member of Congress in living memory. Unlike many southern racist senators and reps, he made a point of dabbling in foreign policy. He was probably the most influential supporter of apartheid South Africa in the US, he was a great friend and defender of Pinochet, and he even supported the Argentine fascist junta’s ill-fated invasion of the Falkland Islands.

He was also anti Israel until he decided he hated Arabs more than he hated Jews.

176 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 23, 2015 1:42:54pm

re: #168 Dark_Falcon

Now, what was that about global warming?

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(Inhales deeply while preparing argument, then sees multiple sarc tags)

Nevermind.

177 A Cranky One  Mar 23, 2015 1:43:22pm

re: #172 Dr Lizardo

And you know what? The instant they’re on the receiving end of some “religious freedom”, they’re gonna whine and pout and stamp their feet and hold their breath until their faces turn blue and bloviate about how remorselessly they’re being persecuted.

*spit*

Yup. And Todd Starnes and the FN crew will scream about persecution.

178 goddamnedfrank  Mar 23, 2015 1:43:57pm

Slate and ABC have very different takes on today’s tardfuckery.

179 #FergusonFireside  Mar 23, 2015 1:44:31pm

re: #162 wrenchwench

When I was a kid, we could go up on a nearby hill and see the fireworks.

When my ex husband was a kid, he & a friend got busted for climbing a fence & sneaking back stage. Ya’ll might have been neighbors.

180 Dalai Rasta  Mar 23, 2015 1:45:20pm

re: #156 Slap

1974 was a fantastic year for Mel Brooks (and Gene Wilder): Young Frankenstein and Blazing Saddles, two absolute classics.

181 Decatur Deb  Mar 23, 2015 1:45:23pm

re: #174 Backwoods_Sleuth

Currently 54F here in the backwoods and my daffodils are ready to burst into bloom.
Forecast for tonight and tomorrow morning is snow.
Wednesday’s high is supposed to be 71F and thunderstorms.

I. Give. Up.

Bummer. As an experiment I planted the lettuce in 1 cubic foot containers so we can bring them into an unused airconditioned bedroom under grow lights. Our Spring is often only a couple weeks long.

182 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 1:45:32pm
183 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 1:46:10pm

re: #182 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hahahhaa yes quite true.

184 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 1:46:42pm

re: #181 Decatur Deb

Bummer. As an experiment I planted the lettuce in 1 cubic foot containers so we can bring them into an unused airconditioned bedroom under grow lights. Our Spring is often only a couple weeks long.

Mother Nature doles out our 2-3 week spring season a day at a time, here and there, over the course of 3 months or so.

185 Justanotherhuman  Mar 23, 2015 1:47:19pm

re: #180 Dalai Rasta

The Fabulous Madeline Kahn…

186 Dark_Falcon  Mar 23, 2015 1:48:19pm

re: #175 HappyWarrior

He was also anti Israel until he decided he hated Arabs more than he hated Jews.

Fun Facts: Even though both were intensely anti-Communist, for regional-powers rivalry reasons Pinochet and the Aregentine junta were on bad terms, bad enough that the Argentinian generals felt they could not move their largely-volunteer infantry units off of the border region with Chile in 1982, instead sending mostly conscript units to the Falklands. These were of lesser quality than the all-volunteer British infantry who opposed them.

187 Dr Lizardo  Mar 23, 2015 1:52:39pm

re: #177 A Cranky One

Of that I have little doubt.

188 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 23, 2015 1:52:54pm

Reality Check:

bounced

189 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 23, 2015 1:53:20pm

re: #165 Justanotherhuman

Oh, for chrissakes…and they’re probably celebrating this over at FN.

Indiana House passes controversial religious freedom bill that would allow business owners to refuse service to customers based on religious beliefs - @FOX59

fox59.com

NO CHRISTIANS ALLOWED

190 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 1:53:36pm

re: #186 Dark_Falcon

Fun Facts: Even though both were intensely anti-Communist, for regional-powers rivalry reasons Pinochet and the Aregentine junta were on bad terms, bad enough that the Argentinian generals felt they could not move their largely-volunteer infantry units off of the border region with Chile in 1982, instead sending mostly conscript units to the Falklands. These were of lesser quality than the all-volunteer British infantry who opposed them.

Kind of like how Hitler and the Nazis weren’t tight with the Austrofascists.

191 goddamnedfrank  Mar 23, 2015 1:54:26pm

re: #178 goddamnedfrank

Slate and ABC have very different takes on today’s tardfuckery.

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To be fair, after reading the article the “could” in ABC’s headline only pertains to the legality of Cruz’s candidacy under the “natural born citizen” criteria, and not the real world potential of his actually winning.

192 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 1:55:11pm

CCJ’s Fact-Free Zone:

Yes, I know it’s Wiki, but:

While at Princeton, he competed for the American Whig-Cliosophic Society’s Debate Panel and won the top speaker award at both the 1992 U.S. National Debating Championship and the 1992 North American Debating Championship.[39] In 1992, he was named U.S. National Speaker of the Year and Team of the Year (with his debate partner, David Panton).[39] Cruz was also a semi-finalist at the 1995 World Universities Debating Championship, making him Princeton’s highest-ranked debater at the championship.[40][41] Princeton’s debate team later named their annual novice championship after Cruz.[40]

I don’t see “named world’s best debater” anywhere in that.
Apparently CCJ’s grasp of geography is on a par with the rest of his mad genetic IQ.

193 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 23, 2015 1:57:02pm

re: #178 goddamnedfrank

Slate and ABC have very different takes on today’s tardfuckery.

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I think this is the third time I’ve said this in two days: Has no one heard of Chester A. Arthur?!

194 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 1:57:08pm

re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth

CCJ’s Fact-Free Zone:

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Yes, I know it’s Wiki, but:

I don’t see “named world’s best debater” anywhere in that.
Apparently CCJ’s grasp of geography is on a par with the rest of his mad genetic IQ.

Simple, it sounded easier and better than saying he was a debating finalist. And him being a great debater on the college level doesn’t take away from the fact he’s a total right wing hack. There’s plenty of people who were great college athletes too who never amounted to much in the pros.

195 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 1:57:53pm

re: #193 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I think this is the third time I’ve said this in two days: Has no one heard of Chester A. Arthur?!

I thought the Arthur thing was iffy since the people spreading it were his political enemies. I am familiar with it though since Arthur’s fil is the name sake of a town near where I grew up.

196 Dark_Falcon  Mar 23, 2015 1:58:31pm

re: #193 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I think this is the third time I’ve said this in two days: Has no one heard of Chester A. Arthur?!

The guy who signed the first civil service act?

197 A Cranky One  Mar 23, 2015 1:59:36pm

re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth

CCJ’s Fact-Free Zone:

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Yes, I know it’s Wiki, but:

I don’t see “named world’s best debater” anywhere in that.
Apparently CCJ’s grasp of geography is on a par with the rest of his mad genetic IQ.

So CCJ says Cruz is a master-debater? ////

198 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 2:01:42pm

re: #196 Dark_Falcon

The guy who signed the first civil service act?

The very same. He was born depending on who you ask in Vermont or Canada. Like Cruz, he had a foreign (Irish in Chet’s case) born father but an American born mother.

199 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 2:06:01pm

re: #195 HappyWarrior

I thought the Arthur thing was iffy since the people spreading it were his political enemies. I am familiar with it though since Arthur’s fil is the name sake of a town near where I grew up.

Gen. Philip Sheridan is one of my g-g-uncles (his parents are my g-g-g-grandparents).
There was serious talk of him making a presidential bid, but the rumors were floated that he was born on the ship coming to the US from Ireland, instead of being born in Albany, NY. (there was no birth certificate, just a baptismal certificate).

200 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 23, 2015 2:09:06pm

re: #193 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I think this is the third time I’ve said this in two days: Has no one heard of Chester A. Arthur?!

best presnidential sideburns ever!

201 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 2:10:05pm

re: #200 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

best presnidential sideburns ever!

a half Muslim!!1111

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202 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 23, 2015 2:11:49pm

re: #200 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

best presnidential sideburns ever!

That’s because Ambrose Burnside never ran….

203 Dalai Rasta  Mar 23, 2015 2:13:40pm

re: #185 Justanotherhuman

I knew I was leaving out someone - Madeline Kahn.

204 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 2:14:47pm

re: #199 Backwoods_Sleuth

Gen. Philip Sheridan is one of my g-g-uncles (his parents are my g-g-g-grandparents).
There was serious talk of him making a presidential bid, but the rumors were floated that he was born on the ship coming to the US from Ireland, instead of being born in Albany, NY. (there was no birth certificate, just a baptismal certificate).

Interesting. Didn’t know Sheridan was considered presidential material at one point. That’s a neat relation.

205 Kragar  Mar 23, 2015 2:21:43pm

re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth

CCJ is claiming Ted Cruz is a Master Debater, but not a Cunning Linguist.

206 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 2:22:35pm

re: #204 HappyWarrior

Interesting. Didn’t know Sheridan was considered presidential material at one point. That’s a neat relation.

My grandmother had his Civil War field desk and other CW items.
I look at the photos on his Wiki page and my father and brother are spitting images of him (but they’re much taller).

207 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 23, 2015 2:23:30pm

re: #205 Kragar

CCJ is claiming Ted Cruz is a Master Debater, but not a Cunning Linguist.

“But he’s a fine fella, sho’….”

208 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 2:55:34pm

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

My grandmother had his Civil War field desk and other CW items.
I look at the photos on his Wiki page and my father and brother are spitting images of him (but they’re much taller).

That’s pretty crazy that with that many generations removed you can see a resemblance. I found a picture that a distant relative who I don’t know posted of my great great grandfather on ancestry.com and my Dad said he saw a bit of his brother in him. That’s really cool that your grandmother had that. My grandmother kept the old discharge papers of my grandfather’s grandfather. Not sure where they went after she died, I really hope my aunt has them because that’s something that I really hope was not put in the trash.

209 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 3:04:55pm

re: #208 HappyWarrior

That’s pretty crazy that with that many generations removed you can see a resemblance. I found a picture that a distant relative who I don’t know posted of my great great grandfather on ancestry.com and my Dad said he saw a bit of his brother in him. That’s really cool that your grandmother had that. My grandmother kept the old discharge papers of my grandfather’s grandfather. Not sure where they went after she died, I really hope my aunt has them because that’s something that I really hope was not put in the trash.

My Aunt Bernadette (RIP) got all of Philip’s stuff when my grandmother died back in the early 70s.
No idea where any of it is now.

210 lostlakehiker  Mar 23, 2015 5:40:05pm

Kind of on-topic, but I do appreciate it when numbers and facts can be brought into discussions. Terrorism from all quarters, in the aggregate, has taken far, far fewer lives since 9/11 than murders committed for other reasons. Those mostly don’t make the national news. A few days ago, this mental case who’d been lurking around the gas station nearest our home and making everybody nervous saw his chance and jumped the night clerk around 3AM. He beat him to a pulp, stole his pickup and threw him in the back, and drove it to Dallas where he showed it off to his brother. Brother immediately phoned the cops and the medics. But the clerk didn’t make it.

These are the murders that fill the morgues but not the headlines.


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