Then There Was the Time Ted Cruz Said, “We Need a Hundred More Like Jesse Helms in the Senate”

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In a 2013 speech to the right wing Heritage Foundation, newly announced presidential candidate Ted Cruz sang the praises of Jesse Helms, the notoriously racist Senator from North Carolina. Cruz said Helms was the first politician to whom he ever donated money, and ended his fond reminiscences with the statement, “We need a hundred more like Jesse Helms in the US Senate.”

Remember, though — Ted Cruz can’t be a racist because his best friend in college was black.

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1 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 1:55:03pm

The first candidate he ever sent money. Well that says a lot about Ted and I think it shows you why the GOP youth movement while young in appearance is just as old and reactionary as what Helms was. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. i knew Cruz was a craven asshole but this yikes.

2 Kid A  Mar 23, 2015 1:56:41pm

We need a hundred more like Elizabeth Warren in the US Senate.

3 sagehen  Mar 23, 2015 1:57:27pm

Helms Sings a Song of ‘Dixie’; Moseley-Braun Looks Away

Moseley-Braun, a Democrat from Illinois, told the story at the National Urban League annual dinner Wednesday night, about two weeks after another tangle with Helms in which she defeated his move to renew a patent on the Confederate flag insignia.

The incident happened Tuesday, she said. When Helms stepped into the elevator, “he saw me standing there, and he started to sing, ‘I wish I was in the land of cotton … ’ And he looked at Sen. Hatch and said, ‘I’m going to make her cry. I’m going to sing ‘Dixie’ until she cries.’

4 goddamnedfrank  Mar 23, 2015 1:59:14pm

Sounds like a straight-to-video, B-movie sequel of The Boys from Brazil.

5 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 2:00:00pm

re: #3 sagehen

Helms Sings a Song of ‘Dixie’; Moseley-Braun Looks Away

He was a coward and very representative of how his party has forfeited any claims on civil rights in the past 50 years. Jesse Helms was a bigger bigot than Robert C. Byrd and even Strom Thurmond were during their time in the Senate even if Helms never wore KKK robes that I know nor ran for president as an arch segregationist like Thurmond did.

6 Amory Blaine  Mar 23, 2015 2:00:41pm

Voter ID is the law; live with it

Let’s be clear about something: Voter ID is a mistake. Plain and simple.

But let’s be clear about something else: It is now the law in Wisconsin, after the U.S. Supreme Court on Monday declined to hear a challenge to the state’s version of voter ID. It’s a puzzling decision given the high court’s decision last fall to delay implementation with the November elections pending. The spring election is only two weeks away and this decision could have resulted in significant confusion and some votes not being counted.

To his credit, Republican Attorney General Brad Schimel immediately moved to ease any confusion with the spring election, saying IDs would not be required for the April 7 ballot.

“Absentee ballots are already in the hands of voters, therefore, the law cannot be implemented for the April 7 election. The Voter ID law will be in place for future elections — this decision is final,” Schimel said in a statement.

And voters will have to live with it.

Good advice I guess, “STFD & STFU.”

7 Dark_Falcon  Mar 23, 2015 2:04:57pm

re: #5 HappyWarrior

Helms was also an asshole personally in a way Thurmond wasn’t, or at least he stayed that way after Thurmond had changed. Nasty though Strom could be, he would not have sang ‘Dixie’ for the sole purpose of badgering a black woman (though he would not have moved to stop it until late in his life). Helms was just being a dick there.

8 wrenchwench  Mar 23, 2015 2:07:11pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

Helms was also an asshole personally in a way Thurmond wasn’t, or at least he stayed that way after Thurmond had changed. Nasty though Strom could be, he would not have sang ‘Dixie’ for the sole purpose of badgering a black woman (though he would not have moved to stop it until late in his life). Helms was just being a dick himself there.

FTFY.

9 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 2:08:44pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

Helms was also an asshole personally in a way Thurmond wasn’t, or at least he stayed that way after Thurmond had changed. Nasty though Strom could be, he would not have sang ‘Dixie’ for the sole purpose of badgering a black woman (though he would not have moved to stop it until late in his life). Helms was just being a dick there.

Right, and I haven’t even gotten started on how he acted during the early years of the AIDS crisis. I think Strom while he never expressed regret like Byrd did showed signs of regret because he did do things like vote for the MLK holiday and I think he voted for some civil rights amendments too. By no means was Lott right to say that we would have been better off had he won against Truman and Dewey but he showed some growth, the same cannot be said for Helms who remained an unrepentant dick until he died. I only regret that Helms did not live to see Barack Obama’s presidency.

10 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 2:09:51pm

re: #8 wrenchwench

FTFY.

Yep, he was a huge homophobe as well. Like claiming all cases of AIDS came from sodomy while the mother of Ryan White was in attendance. He was just naturally an asshole and sadly the people of North Carolina didn’t seem to mind and gave him five terms in the Senate.

11 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 23, 2015 2:10:20pm
12 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 2:11:14pm

re: #11 The Mother Of All Pies

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Robert Byrd repeatedly apologized for not just the KKK membership but his racism as an elected official. Helms never through voting or speech expressed any regrets.

13 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 2:11:54pm

CCJ never fails to prove his ignorance in all things:

14 Justanotherhuman  Mar 23, 2015 2:12:12pm

re: #10 HappyWarrior

Whoa, now. A lot of us in NC thought Helms was a fascist pig—we were just outnumbered.

15 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 2:12:54pm

re: #14 Justanotherhuman

Whoa, now. A lot of us in NC thought Helms was a fascist pig—we were just outnumbered.

Well, I didn’t say all of NC. And yeah to be fair, he never won any elections there in a landslide.

16 wrenchwench  Mar 23, 2015 2:14:44pm

re: #10 HappyWarrior

Yep, he was a huge homophobe as well. Like claiming all cases of AIDS came from sodomy while the mother of Ryan White was in attendance. He was just naturally an asshole and sadly the people of North Carolina didn’t seem to mind and gave him five terms in the Senate.

Minor additions from Wikipedia:

Helms had a negative view of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people and LGBT rights in the United States.[270][270][271] Helms called homosexuals “weak, morally sick wretches” and tried to cut funding for the National Endowment for the Arts for supporting the “gay-oriented artwork of photographer Robert Mapplethorpe”.[272][273] In 1993, when then-president Bill Clinton wanted to appoint ‘out’ lesbian Roberta Achtenberg to assistant secretary of the Department of Housing and Urban Development, Helms held up the confirmation “because she’s a damn lesbian”, adding “she’s not your garden-variety lesbian. She’s a militant-activist-mean lesbian”.[271] Helms also stated “I’m not going to put a lesbian in a position like that. If you want to call me a bigot, fine.”[270] When Clinton urged that gays be allowed to serve openly in the armed forces, Helms said the president “better have a bodyguard” if he visited North Carolina.[273] His views on gay and lesbian citizens were depicted in the 1998 documentary film Dear Jesse.

Helms initially fought against increasing federal financing for HIV/AIDS research and treatment, saying the disease resulted from “unnatural” and “disgusting” homosexual behavior.[56] “There is not one single case of AIDS in this country that cannot be traced in origin to sodomy,” he said in 1988.[274] In his final Senate year, he strongly supported AIDS measures in Africa, where heterosexual transmission of the disease is most common, and continued to hold the belief that the “homosexual lifestyle” is the cause of the spread of the epidemic in America.[56][275]

17 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 2:17:23pm

re: #16 wrenchwench

Minor additions from Wikipedia:

I believe he also held up the nomination of Clinton’s designee for ambassador to Luxombourg because the man was gay. Really, truly an awful person. It astounds me that someone like that was in the Senate not long before my first vote was cast.

18 darthstar  Mar 23, 2015 2:20:29pm

I’m not ready for two years of this shit.

19 wrenchwench  Mar 23, 2015 2:20:48pm

re: #17 HappyWarrior

I believe he also held up the nomination of Clinton’s designee for ambassador to Luxombourg because the man was gay. Really, truly an awful person. It astounds me that someone like that was in the Senate not long before my first vote was cast.

Most haters don’t know when and where to quit.

20 darthstar  Mar 23, 2015 2:20:59pm

WTF? Anne Frank?

21 Justanotherhuman  Mar 23, 2015 2:21:03pm

re: #14 Justanotherhuman

Mostly he got the rural vote and some around the ‘burbs of Raleigh—the kind that vote for Virginia Foxx, et al.

22 Justanotherhuman  Mar 23, 2015 2:21:57pm

re: #20 darthstar

He probably can’t get a job now since he’s toxic through his own behavior, and the wingnut welfare has been cut off.

23 No Country For Old Haters  Mar 23, 2015 2:22:30pm

re: #20 darthstar

WTF? Anne Frank?

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24 goddamnedfrank  Mar 23, 2015 2:23:23pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

Helms was also an asshole personally in a way Thurmond wasn’t,

True, Thurmond was an entirely different kind of asshole. Helms was just a sniveling douche and troll. Thurmond was a world record holding hypocrite who as an adult in his early twenties fucked his family’s 15 year old black maid, fathered a child and kept it secret his entire life.

25 darthstar  Mar 23, 2015 2:23:28pm

Remember that time Anne Frank pointed a shotgun at her boyfriend and locked him out of his own house? Yeah, me neither.

26 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 2:23:40pm

re: #20 darthstar

WHERE’S HIS DIARY??!!???

27 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 2:23:59pm

It approaches:

28 wrenchwench  Mar 23, 2015 2:24:31pm
29 darthstar  Mar 23, 2015 2:24:47pm

re: #23 No Country For Old Haters

Funny…I was just thinking along those lines.

30 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 2:25:30pm

re: #20 darthstar

WTF? Anne Frank?

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I hate saying it but it doesn’t look like he compared himself to Anne Frank. He quoted her. Now that said, his self-righteous and poor me I’m a victim crap is ridiculous.

31 Justanotherhuman  Mar 23, 2015 2:26:21pm

re: #23 No Country For Old Haters

So Zimhead compares himself to a persecuted young teenage Jewish girl?

How does that work? ////

Or is he sneakily comparing Obama to Hitler? Fits w/the narrative now, does’t it?

32 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 2:26:31pm

heh:

33 Amory Blaine  Mar 23, 2015 2:26:39pm

From the TPM article it looks like he’s just using a quote, not really comparing himself to Anne Frank.

34 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 23, 2015 2:26:51pm

re: #20 darthstar

WTF? Anne Frank?

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It’s education in this country. He heard of The Diary of Anne Frank in school, knows nothing about history, she’s the only Nazi victim he can put a name to.

35 darthstar  Mar 23, 2015 2:27:14pm

re: #24 goddamnedfrank

True, Thurmond was an entirely different kind of asshole. Helms was just a sniveling douche and troll. Thurmond was a world record holding hypocrite who as an adult in his early twenties fucked his family’s 15 year old black maid, fathered a child and kept it secret his entire life.

Well, there was that.

36 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 2:27:39pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh:

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I can’t wait to see the look on this guy’s face when Cruz doesn’t even win a single state in the primaries.

37 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 2:27:59pm

re: #33 Amory Blaine

From the TPM article it looks like he’s just using a quote, not really comparing himself to Anne Frank.

Yeah, that’s what I read too.

38 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 2:28:17pm

re: #35 darthstar

Well, there was that.

The original An Inconvenient Truth.

39 darthstar  Mar 23, 2015 2:28:35pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh:

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Chuck’s Asian Wife…I wonder how long until he blocks that one.

40 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 23, 2015 2:28:53pm

re: #33 Amory Blaine

From the TPM article it looks like he’s just using a quote, not really comparing himself to Anne Frank.

OK, well, never mind then. It’s still stupid.

41 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 2:29:09pm

re: #36 HappyWarrior

I can’t wait to see the look on this guy’s face when Cruz doesn’t even win a single state in the primaries.

He won’t even win Texas.

42 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 2:29:55pm

LOLOLOLOL!!!!!

43 darthstar  Mar 23, 2015 2:31:00pm

re: #37 HappyWarrior

Yeah, that’s what I read too.

Inaccurate headlines make the world go around. Just read the article myself, and yeah, he just implied he had Anne’s capacity for loving his fellow human - and shooting them.

44 A Cranky One  Mar 23, 2015 2:31:01pm

This young woman demonstrates real class:

Mo’ne Davis, heroine of the Little League World Series, said the college baseball player who was dismissed from his team for posting an offensive tweet about her should get a second chance at playing.

Bloomsburg (Pennsylvania) University’s Joey Casselberry, a junior first baseman, was thrown off the team after tweeting: “Disney is making a movie about Mo’ne Davis? WHAT A JOKE. That sl— got rocked by Nevada.”

Davis told “SportsCenter” on Monday that she wrote an email to the school asking officials to reinstate Casselberry.

“Everyone makes mistakes,” Davis said. “Everyone deserves a second chance. I know he didn’t mean it in that type of way. I know people get tired of seeing me on TV. But sometimes you got to think about what you’re doing before you do it.ESPN

If only the Republicans could demonstrate this much maturity and compassion.

45 Dark_Falcon  Mar 23, 2015 2:31:07pm

re: #24 goddamnedfrank

True, Thurmond was an entirely different kind of asshole. Helms was just a sniveling douche and troll. Thurmond was a world record holding hypocrite who as an adult in his early twenties fucked his family’s 15 year old black maid, fathered a child and kept it secret his entire life.

Sadly, that sort of thing had a long history in the South and was still uncommon but not very rare when Thurmond was a young man,

46 Justanotherhuman  Mar 23, 2015 2:31:08pm

re: #33 Amory Blaine

‘Salright. I stand by the rest of my comment about “comparison” because of what he was implying (even if he was being ignorant).

47 Amory Blaine  Mar 23, 2015 2:31:30pm

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

1. My neighbor mowing his lawn.
2. Me, mowing my lawn. Naked.

Who’s going to draw a bigger crowd?

48 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 2:31:42pm

re: #43 darthstar

Inaccurate headlines make the world go around. Just read the article myself, and yeah, he just implied he had Anne’s capacity for loving his fellow human - and shooting them.

Which is honestly laughable given all the trouble he’s gotten into.

49 Justanotherhuman  Mar 23, 2015 2:31:49pm

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOL!!!!!

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Let’s see how he does even in the Walmart parking lot…

50 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 23, 2015 2:32:44pm

LOL keep telling yourself that==>

51 darthstar  Mar 23, 2015 2:32:54pm

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOL!!!!!

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52 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 2:32:58pm

re: #44 A Cranky One

This young woman demonstrates real class:

Mo’ne Davis, heroine of the Little League World Series, said the college baseball player who was dismissed from his team for posting an offensive tweet about her should get a second chance at playing.

Bloomsburg (Pennsylvania) University’s Joey Casselberry, a junior first baseman, was thrown off the team after tweeting: “Disney is making a movie about Mo’ne Davis? WHAT A JOKE. That sl— got rocked by Nevada.”

Davis told “SportsCenter” on Monday that she wrote an email to the school asking officials to reinstate Casselberry.

“Everyone makes mistakes,” Davis said. “Everyone deserves a second chance. I know he didn’t mean it in that type of way. I know people get tired of seeing me on TV. But sometimes you got to think about what you’re doing before you do it.ESPN

If only the Republicans could demonstrate this much maturity and compassion.

She’s a much bigger person than I would have been. Great kid. I hope the LLWS isn’t the last we see of her. Keep on pitching and playing hoops Mo’ne.

53 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 23, 2015 2:33:10pm

What minority is Ted Cruz?

54 darthstar  Mar 23, 2015 2:33:59pm
55 Amory Blaine  Mar 23, 2015 2:34:02pm

Canadian.

re: #53 The Mother Of All Pies

56 darthstar  Mar 23, 2015 2:35:15pm

re: #55 Amory Blaine

Canadian.

Whiskey.

I love word associations. Give me another.

57 Amory Blaine  Mar 23, 2015 2:35:34pm

I won’t clip my bushes naked though!

58 Justanotherhuman  Mar 23, 2015 2:36:11pm

Pence can go fuck himself, too.

Indiana Gov. Mike Pence says in statement he will sign religious freedom bill that critics say allows LGBT discrimination - @dominicholden
see original on twitter.com

59 darthstar  Mar 23, 2015 2:36:17pm

I see stupid white people with an irrational belief in an imaginary friend.

60 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 2:36:37pm

re: #53 The Mother Of All Pies

What minority is Ted Cruz?

RWNJ

61 goddamnedfrank  Mar 23, 2015 2:36:58pm

Regarding Thurmond:

Her father was not an ambient racist, carried along by the provincial thinking of his times; he was dynamically racist, a man who helped shape and amplify those currents. That he had a black daughter doesn’t simply complicate his legacy, it further damns it. In ways that run contrary to any parental creed, he worked to make the world a worse place for his child and her children. He was unable to extrapolate the humanity he saw in the teen-age Essie Washington to a whole population who looked like her and shared her experiences.

62 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 23, 2015 2:37:04pm

re: #56 darthstar

Whiskey.

I love word associations. Give me another.

George: Potato.
Jerry: Tuberculosis.
George: Blanket.
Jerry: Leroy.
George: Grass.
Jerry: Tuberculosis.

63 darthstar  Mar 23, 2015 2:37:22pm

re: #57 Amory Blaine

I won’t clip my bushes naked though!

I always say, “If it’s worth doing, it’s worth doing naked.”

64 Dark_Falcon  Mar 23, 2015 2:38:05pm

re: #59 darthstar

I see stupid white people with an irrational belief in an imaginary friend.

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It’s just a bunch of Paulians. The ‘Rand’ they stand with is not Ayn Rand but instead Rand Paul.

65 Kragar  Mar 23, 2015 2:38:29pm

re: #50 The Mother Of All Pies

LOL keep telling yourself that==>

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66 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 2:39:59pm

re: #64 Dark_Falcon

It’s just a bunch of Paulians. The ‘Rand’ they stand with is not Ayn Rand but instead Rand Paul.

Uh I think DS knows that. The Paul cult actually comes from the same tree as the Ayn Rand cult.

67 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 2:41:00pm

re: #59 darthstar

I see stupid white people with an irrational belief in an imaginary friend.

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That’s $90 right there in fines they didn’t have to pay that they can now spend on something fun tonight to make up for having to sit through the mandatory attendance.

68 Amory Blaine  Mar 23, 2015 2:41:23pm

Their matching shirts suggest they were sending a message to Cruz. Pretty edgy for Liberty University.

69 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 2:41:26pm

re: #65 Kragar

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Right, Sarah Palin would be treated with the same contempt by me if her name was Sam Palin. Likewise, Cruz would be if his name was Ted Cramer. Wingnuts think tokenism absolves them from being called bigots and it’s uh no not at all. And that’s not even mentioning that minority and women conservatives often have their own bigotries. See the rampant homophobia of Ted himself.

70 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 2:42:15pm

re: #68 Amory Blaine

Their matching shirts suggests they were sending a message to Cruz. Pretty edgy for Liberty University.

They’re going to be really rebellious and listen to the Beach Boys next week and they won’t care if the RA hears it!

71 A Cranky One  Mar 23, 2015 2:42:29pm

re: #59 darthstar

I see stupid white people with an irrational belief in an imaginary friend.

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What’s newsworthy about a bunch of randy college students? /////

72 Dark_Falcon  Mar 23, 2015 2:42:44pm

re: #65 Kragar

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True, but to be fair there are a few feminists who consider women who are Republican office-holders to be guilty of some sort of “gender treason” and they sometimes attack such women with an anger greater than male GOP officeholders receive. Most feminists do not do this, to be clear.

73 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 2:43:44pm

hahaha!
Chuck’sAsianWife just favorited one of my UpChuck tweets.

74 darthstar  Mar 23, 2015 2:43:50pm

re: #64 Dark_Falcon

It’s just a bunch of Paulians. The ‘Rand’ they stand with is not Ayn Rand but instead Rand Paul.

Thank you Captain Obvious. BTW, serious question time. If it came down to Ted Cruz or Hillary Clinton on the ballot, which would you vote for and why?

(You don’t have to answer that…we already know.)

75 wrenchwench  Mar 23, 2015 2:44:03pm

re: #61 goddamnedfrank

Regarding Thurmond:

Her father was not an ambient racist, carried along by the provincial thinking of his times; he was dynamically racist, a man who helped shape and amplify those currents. That he had a black daughter doesn’t simply complicate his legacy, it further damns it. In ways that run contrary to any parental creed, he worked to make the world a worse place for his child and her children. He was unable to extrapolate the humanity he saw in the teen-age Essie Washington to a whole population who looked like her and shared her experiences.

Sadly, that sort of thing had a long history in the South and was still uncommon but not very rare when Thurmond was a young man,

Oh, wait. He was a Senator. He could have done something.

76 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 2:44:14pm

re: #72 Dark_Falcon

True, but to be fair there are a few feminists who consider women who are Republican office-holders to be guilty of some sort of “gender treason” and they sometimes attack such women with an anger greater than male GOP officeholders receive. Most feminists do not do this, to be clear.

I think you’re wrong there. I don’t think they see it as “gender treason” they just rightfully wonder why the hell a woman and I wonder this too why a woman would belong to a party that repeatedly puts them down and views feminism with contempt.

77 darthstar  Mar 23, 2015 2:44:24pm

re: #67 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s $90 right there in fines they didn’t have to pay that they can now spend on something fun tonight to make up for having to sit through the mandatory attendance.

Extra pizza for the Bible study!

78 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 2:44:30pm

re: #75 wrenchwench

Oh, wait. He was a Senator. He could have done something.

A governor too.

79 allegro  Mar 23, 2015 2:45:31pm

re: #72 Dark_Falcon

True, but to be fair there are a few feminists who consider women who are Republican office-holders to be guilty of some sort of “gender treason” and they sometimes attack such women with an anger greater than male GOP officeholders receive. Most feminists do not do this, to be clear.

When those women are actively opposing equal and reproductive rights for women, they are certainly due criticism.

80 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 2:45:38pm
81 darthstar  Mar 23, 2015 2:46:04pm
82 Charles Johnson  Mar 23, 2015 2:46:58pm
83 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 2:47:06pm

re: #81 darthstar

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That furry thing in the background better watch itself…

84 Kragar  Mar 23, 2015 2:47:13pm
85 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 2:47:22pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

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How can he go birther when there’s no doubt the guy was born in Canada? I guess you can say this about Trump, he’s consistent in his assholery. And all I can say to Cruz supporters, you get no sympathy from me given the way you treated President Obama who unlike Cruz actually was born in the United States. I won’t claim Cruz is ineligible because of his Canadian birth because that’s the least of what’s wrong with Ted Cruz.

86 Dr. Matt  Mar 23, 2015 2:48:17pm

re: #84 Kragar

Donald Trump brings “birther” charge against Cruz: t.co pic.twitter.com
— The Hill (@thehill) March 23, 2015

Pass the popcorn
87 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 2:48:22pm

re: #81 darthstar

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The vision of a child of Indian immigrants to sound like Pat Robertson.

88 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 23, 2015 2:48:56pm

And I’m all out of popcorn. :(

89 goddamnedfrank  Mar 23, 2015 2:49:04pm

re: #45 Dark_Falcon

Sadly, that sort of thing had a long history in the South and was still uncommon but not very rare when Thurmond was a young man,

Read my re: #61. Thurmond’s crime wasn’t just the hypocrisy, the extramarital affair or the definitely statutory if not provably forced rape, i.e. the definite power imbalance and consent issues at play. His crime wasn’t passive. His crime was an active one, it was overt and his agency in it was absolute, ongoing, recidivist and unrepentant.

His crime was making a name for himself by actively opposing the rights of people who looked exactly like his daughter. That’s not just a sociopathic total lack of empathy, but an utter failure as a parent to acknowledge one’s offspring as deserving of basic rights and equality under the law. What Thurmond did, how he constructed and conducted his entire public life, is simply monstrous and inexcusable. Trying to contextualize it in the “long history in the South” isn’t just useless, it’s factually and morally wrong.

90 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 23, 2015 2:49:45pm

h/t to Wonkette:

91 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 2:50:23pm

re: #90 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

h/t to Wonkette:

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Oh come on, it’s obviously an American Hershey’s kiss!

92 Dark_Falcon  Mar 23, 2015 2:50:39pm

re: #81 darthstar

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Gov. Jindal or Mr. Robertson?

93 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 2:52:09pm
94 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 23, 2015 2:52:55pm

re: #85 HappyWarrior

How can he go birther when there’s no doubt the guy was born in Canada?

but was it in american canada or communist canada?

95 darthstar  Mar 23, 2015 2:53:50pm

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

Gov. Jindal or Mr. Robertson?

I didn’t realize the Duck Dynasty guys weren’t allowed to be out of character…Talk about a shitty contract.

96 Justanotherhuman  Mar 23, 2015 2:54:01pm

I celebrated with Chinese takeout a bit earlier since a simple test eliminated a major invasive one. And I feel vindicated in firing last year’s dr who kept sending me to specialists. Another one totally not needed that she referred me to actually sent me a letter a couple of weeks ago (over a year later) trying to tell me I could have cancer, blah, blah, blah, a really nasty one trying to invoke fear.

This new young doctor specialized in the care of patients in rural areas, so I know he’s not looking to get rich. We’re just going to take this test every year. He did send in an Rx for some fish oil capsules since my triglycerides are a bit high. And recommended Vit D, but I’ll also get more of that with 20 min of sun every day, if it ever decides to stay out for that long.

97 Dark_Falcon  Mar 23, 2015 2:54:07pm

re: #89 goddamnedfrank

Read my Thurmond’s crime wasn’t just the hypocrisy, the extramarital affair or the definitely statutory if not provably forced rape, i.e. the definite power imbalance and consent issues at play. His crime wasn’t passive, it was active, it was overt and his agency in it was absolute, ongoing, recidivist and unrepentant.

His crime was making a name for himself by actively opposing the rights of people who looked exactly like his daughter. That’s not just a sociopathic total lack of empathy, but an utter failure as a parent to acknowledge one’s offspring as deserving of basic rights and equality under the law. What Thurmond did, how he constructed and conducted his entire public life, is simply monstrous and inexcusable. Trying to contextualize it in the “long history in the South” isn’t just useless, it’s factually and morally wrong.

I’m not justifying it in any way. I was saying that what he did wasn’t unique but was part of a very long history of white southern men raping black women. I wanted to add context, yes, but I have never nor will I ever attempt to excuse Thurmond’s act of rape. that he didn’t see his actions as rape makes his mindset worse, not better.

98 Charles Johnson  Mar 23, 2015 2:54:53pm
99 Dark_Falcon  Mar 23, 2015 2:56:23pm

re: #95 darthstar

I didn’t realize the Duck Dynasty guys weren’t allowed to be out of character…Talk about a shitty contract.

It’s possible that’s just how Willie Robertson normally dresses. The bandana is a bit silly for an official event, though.

100 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 2:57:14pm

re: #94 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

but was it in american canada or communist canada?

It was Alberta, so it was Texas Canada

101 wrenchwench  Mar 23, 2015 2:57:23pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

I’m not justifying it in any way. I was saying that what he did wasn’t unique but was part of a very long history of white southern men raping black women. I wanted to add context, yes, but I have never nor will I ever attempt to excuse Thurmond’s act of rape. that he didn’t see his actions as rape makes his mindset worse, not better.

The rape was just the beginning.

Trying to contextualize it in the “long history in the South” isn’t just useless, it’s factually and morally wrong.

Thanks for spelling out, frank.

102 goddamnedfrank  Mar 23, 2015 2:59:01pm
103 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 3:01:02pm

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

It’s possible that’s just how Willie Robertson normally dresses. The bandana is a bit silly for an official event, though.

Willie Robertson before and after Duck Dynasty:

104 darthstar  Mar 23, 2015 3:01:14pm

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

It’s possible that’s just how Willie Robertson normally dresses. The bandana is a bit silly for an official event, though.

No, it’s a paid appearance. This is what he looked like before the show was created - complete with khaki.

105 Justanotherhuman  Mar 23, 2015 3:02:00pm

re: #79 allegro

Even back in my day, we feminists often said we’d never vote for Republican women because they were constantly voting against their own best interests, no matter what the issue was. We all had Republican women in our families for the most part, so it wasn’t a secret. Even those in my own family circle thought I was some kind of “traitor” to kinder, küche, and kirche even as I was raising my kids, working FT and keeping house in my off-work hours.

106 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 3:02:24pm

re: #104 darthstar

No, it’s a paid appearance. This is what he looked like before the show was created - complete with khaki.

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Mrs Willie has had some surgical and other cosmetic enhancements as well.

107 darthstar  Mar 23, 2015 3:02:53pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

Willie Robertson before and after Duck Dynasty:

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Beats the hell out of working for a living, I suppose.

108 Dark_Falcon  Mar 23, 2015 3:03:25pm

National Review is divided on Ted Cruz:

Ted Cruz Should Try Speaking To People Instead of At Them By Charles C. W. Cooke


Cruz’s Iran Plan Beats Other Congressional Proposals By Andrew C McCarthy

note: Due to McCarthy’s offensive at times content, DoNotLink was used for his piece. Cooke’s piece is a direct link.

109 darthstar  Mar 23, 2015 3:03:50pm

re: #106 Backwoods_Sleuth

Mrs Willie has had some surgical and other cosmetic enhancements as well.

I might have picked the wrong DD asshole. But hey, they’re just grifting off of Republicans, so what the fuck do I care what they do?

110 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 3:04:51pm

Unlike with McCain, whose birth specifically in 1936 and specifically in the Panama Canal Zone created legitimate questions about his eligibility due to an obscure legal gap, Ted Cruz, having been born in 1970, falls under this rule:

law.cornell.edu

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

[…]

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years

111 Mattand  Mar 23, 2015 3:09:02pm

re: #108 Dark_Falcon

That would be the same National Review who constantly hires racist journalists, correct?

112 Romantic Heretic  Mar 23, 2015 3:09:25pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

My wife lives in Monroe, which is next door to West Monroe, where the Robertsons live. She says they were regarded as assholes before their show, which pushed their character defects into the stratosphere.

Oh that Monroe/West Monroe thing is based entirely on race. When I visit her I double the number of white people living within a three mile radius. West Monroe is the exact opposite. Very few black people there.

113 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 3:10:02pm

re: #109 darthstar

I might have picked the wrong DD asshole. But hey, they’re just grifting off of Republicans, so what the fuck do I care what they do?

They all look the same now. The guys are beyond scruffy and the younger wives are all Stepford lookalikes.

114 goddamnedfrank  Mar 23, 2015 3:11:52pm

re: #110 Nyet

Unlike with McCain, whose birth specifically in 1936 and specifically in the Panama Canal Zone created legitimate questions about his eligibility due to an obscure legal gap, Ted Cruz, being born in 1970, falls under this rule:

There’s still legit a question about Cruz’s eligibility. Namely whether NBC status can be conferred by an act of legislature. In other words, is there a difference between citizenship at birth by via the Constitution (14th Amendment) and “statutory” citizenship conferred by a lesser Act of Congress.

One could plausibly argue that McCain was on stronger ground than Cruz, because despite the ambiguity in the law both the Canal Zone and the Naval Air Station he was born on were legally owned and operated US territory at the time. No such claim can be made for Cruz.

115 goddamnedfrank  Mar 23, 2015 3:13:57pm

It’s science.

116 darthstar  Mar 23, 2015 3:16:20pm
117 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 3:16:28pm

I really don’t have any birther issue with Cruz.
The issue I *do* have is his family’s fire and brimstone christianity about marriage when the fact remains that Ted’s mother and father were both married to someone else when they first got together.
I don’t have a problem with divorce, sometimes it’s just unavoidable and for the best, but dammit, don’t present yourself as holier than the rest of us when you have a shitload of dirty laundry yourself.

(Looking at you, as well, John McCain and Newt Gingrich)

118 goddamnedfrank  Mar 23, 2015 3:17:22pm

I seriously want Tammy Duckworth to announce now, just to fuck with the birthers even more.

119 Kragar  Mar 23, 2015 3:18:24pm
120 Justanotherhuman  Mar 23, 2015 3:20:38pm

re: #110 Nyet

I find it a bit amusing that Cruz’s parents divorced while he was in law school and you never hear about his mother. You can’t even locate her online except as mentioned in stories about Ted Cruz, as almost an afterthought in biographies.

And both his parents were married previously, with both having 2 daughters each fro those marriages.

Yet, where are the sisters? Is he close to them? The only family member I recall seeing (other than the wife and 2 kids Cruz presently has) is his father, Rafael.

121 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 23, 2015 3:20:57pm

re: #116 darthstar

Ted Cruz is officially in the 1016 presidential race

Normans Go Home!

122 ObserverArt  Mar 23, 2015 3:22:17pm

Hey all. Busy day(s)…fighting with GoDaddy over a screw up migrating a web site to a new server. Finally got the new site up and running. The biggest tussle I’ve ever had with DNS settings. Ugh.

Anyway…I am willing to bet that this story of Ted giving Jesse Helms $10 out of his .50¢ allowance is total bullshit.

Who is going to check? And he knows it.

I see it like the lead singer in a band that tells the audience the new drummer lived in the city they are playing in just like he also lived in the last three cities they recently played.

Ted’s a bullshitting bullshitter…would you believe anything he says about anything…especially something there is no way to verify?

Big day for Ted. I’ve followed a few of the comments today. Having this fool as the first official Republican candidate is great. All those loons are going to have to ramp up the rhetoric now. It will be especially fun to watch Cruz and Paul. I see both as willing to say and do anything for a vote or two. They will be out to top one another, and it will force the entire pack of clowns to clown it up.

Jeb is already pandering based on his most recent comments. He probably would be better to stay away from the fray and then act sensible at the debates and convention and get the candidacy. He seems scared to play it straight though. That will be his loss.

Oh yeah…saw some saying they are running out. Here is some more.

Just the right amount for keeping track of Political and Slanted News
123 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 3:22:55pm

re: #114 goddamnedfrank

On the contrary, McCain was on a far shakier ground, because the Canal Zone was not de jure a territory where the full Constitution applied, and this specifically concerned the question of citizenship. This is all very well explained by Prof. Chin.
Even if one argues that the 1937 law retroactively granted him an NBC status (also a shaky proposition, because the text of the act does not seem to be retroactive), the NBC retroactivity itself is pretty controversial.

Cruz was naturalized by statute at the time of his birth, which makes him an NBC.

124 ramex  Mar 23, 2015 3:23:25pm

re: #90 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

h/t to Wonkette:

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I think it’s supposed to be some kind of “blaze” or pentecostal Christian flame of some sort. Putting a stamp of theocracy on his presidential run without using a cross or a fish or a cross jammed down a fish’s throat or cross jammed down a burning fish’s throat that’s wearing a crown of thorns.

125 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 3:23:45pm

No, UpChuck, people (including voters) said Romney was an asshole, too.

126 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 3:25:06pm

Indeed, “a citizen at the time of his birth” = NBC.

127 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 3:26:45pm

Anyone remember who was first to declare for the 2012 nomination?

I do. :D

128 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 3:27:35pm

lizards frantically googling…

:D

129 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 3:27:38pm

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not Rudy?

130 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 3:27:54pm

re: #129 Nyet

Not Rudy?

nope!

131 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 3:28:21pm

hint: We never ever heard from him again…

132 makeitstop  Mar 23, 2015 3:29:42pm

re: #122 ObserverArt

Hey all. Busy day(s)…fighting with GoDaddy over a screw up migrating a web site to a new server. Finally got the new site up and running. The biggest tussle I’ve ever had with DNS settings. Ugh.

GoDaddy is the absolute worst. Every time I’ve migrated a site away from their servers, it’s taken forever. Last time took two weeks.

After that one, I’ve seriously been considering not getting involved with any site that has anything to do with GoDaddy. Not worth the aggravation.

133 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 3:30:16pm

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

Image: 3219b93f433f05b0517cf75b12e6ba0c.png

134 ObserverArt  Mar 23, 2015 3:30:28pm

Arrrrgh! Cold wet snow flakes outside my window! Go Away!!!

Somebody tell somebody it is spring.

135 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Mar 23, 2015 3:31:26pm

re: #134 ObserverArt

Arrrrgh! Cold wet snow flakes outside my window! Go Away!!!

Somebody tell somebody it is spring.

It’s spring.

136 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 3:31:42pm

re: #133 Nyet

Image: 3219b93f433f05b0517cf75b12e6ba0c.png

heh…

137 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 3:33:24pm

re: #133 Nyet

He killed any future he had when he said “Obamneycare”.

138 gocart mozart  Mar 23, 2015 3:34:42pm
But there’s more to the story. Because my wife didn’t just go to college with Ted. She also went to law school with him. They were both in the same class at Harvard Law School. And it was actually from Harvard where she seemed to have the strongest and most negative memories of him. So I started asking Harvard classmates about him too. Same stories. Let’s call it AASS. A#$hole, Arrogant, Super Smart.

talkingpointsmemo.com

139 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 3:36:39pm

re: #133 Nyet

Image: 3219b93f433f05b0517cf75b12e6ba0c.png

Looking at that chart, it appears that others appear earlier because of “exploratory committees”.

But Tim Pawlenty was the first one to actually declare.

140 Lidane  Mar 23, 2015 3:37:22pm

re: #125 Backwoods_Sleuth

All of my co-workers, including my boss, spent the day mocking Ted Cruz and the various fails of his campaign so far. They also weren’t impressed with the typical Cruz voter. I am amused.

141 Mattand  Mar 23, 2015 3:39:16pm

re: #140 Lidane

All of my co-workers, including my boss, spent the day mocking Ted Cruz and the various fails of his campaign so far. They also weren’t impressed with the typical Cruz voter. I am amused.

I forget; are they wingnuts, or ‘civilians’; i.e., people who don’t follow politics as closely as people do here?

142 ObserverArt  Mar 23, 2015 3:39:31pm

re: #132 makeitstop

GoDaddy is the absolute worst. Every time I’ve migrated a site away from their servers, it’s taken forever. Last time took two weeks.

After that one, I’ve seriously been considering not getting involved with any site that has anything to do with GoDaddy. Not worth the aggravation.

I’ve got nothing good to say about them. I had bad experience with them a few years back just with them handling our many company email accounts and email marketing.

Fought with them all the damn time with getting the damn email blasts to go out properly. Their techs were the worst.

This site I inherited and the client wanted to stay on GoDaddy. I thought since they already had the original windows asp site going for close to 6 years moving to a new server for a php page site would be no big deal. I was wrong. We were going to have the old and new running and then I went to have them cut off the old site on Wednesday and by Wednesday night they had both the old and new off line. Just got the new site up this afternoon.

143 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 3:39:36pm

re: #140 Lidane

All of my co-workers, including my boss, spent the day mocking Ted Cruz and the various fails of his campaign so far. They also weren’t impressed with the typical Cruz voter. I am amused.

yep. You’d think someone who is chairman of the Subcommittee on Space, Science, and Competitiveness would know at least one little bit about domain names.
:D

144 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 3:40:18pm

re: #139 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sourced wiki says otherwise. ;)

145 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 3:41:24pm
146 Justanotherhuman  Mar 23, 2015 3:41:55pm

re: #145 Nyet

So what? Long shot.

147 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 3:42:35pm

re: #146 Justanotherhuman

So what?

So it wasn’t Pawlenty.

148 Lidane  Mar 23, 2015 3:42:38pm

re: #141 Mattand

I forget; are they wingnuts, or ‘civilians’; i.e., people who don’t follow politics as closely as people do here?

Neither. They’re political animals. I work for a digital marketing firm that works with Republican candidates. They’re just as quick to dismiss the unserious jokes like Carson, Santorum, and Trump as they are to laugh at Ted Cruz for allowing tedcruzforamerica.com to redirect to the Obamacare site.

No wingnuts, thankfully. Conservatives, yes. Republicans, definitely. Raving lunatics? Not that I’ve seen so far.

149 Justanotherhuman  Mar 23, 2015 3:43:27pm

White House: President Obama, Hillary Clinton met privately for an hour at White House on Monday - @WhiteHouse
end of alert

150 Kid A  Mar 23, 2015 3:43:44pm

re: #54 darthstar

151 Justanotherhuman  Mar 23, 2015 3:44:07pm

re: #147 Nyet

Ha, I didn’t notice the date. Thought he was announcing today. Hahahaha.

152 Kragar  Mar 23, 2015 3:44:41pm
153 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 3:45:16pm

re: #145 Nyet

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He is one of those Libertarians who pretend to be Republican. Eventually he dropped the pretense and re-filed for the Libertarian ticket..

In the meantime, there’s this:
nytimes.com
WASHINGTON — Former Gov. Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota became the first major Republican to enter the 2012 presidential race, announcing an exploratory committee on Monday that formalizes an ambition that has been steadily building for more than a year.

154 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 23, 2015 3:46:02pm

re: #115 goddamnedfrank
Chucky C said:

Mitt Romney’s said he was smart and a nice guy.

Yeah well, except for that kid he chased, held down and forcibly cut off his hair.

155 Mattand  Mar 23, 2015 3:46:27pm

re: #148 Lidane

That’s encouraging, I guess. Still, I have to wonder if they have Moderate Elephant Syndrome; they talk a great game, but still support the GOP regardless of what crazy fucknut represents the party.

156 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 3:46:51pm

re: #125 Backwoods_Sleuth

No, UpChuck, people (including voters) said Romney was an asshole, too.

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I actually remember Romney’s classmates saying he was a bit of an asshole too.

157 Justanotherhuman  Mar 23, 2015 3:47:04pm

re: #154 The Mother Of All Pies

Chucky C said:

Yeah well, except for that kid he chased, held down and forcibly cut off his hair.

You wouldn’t want to be the family pet, either.

158 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 3:47:25pm

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

See the word “major”? ;)

159 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 3:47:38pm

re: #156 HappyWarrior

I actually remember Romney’s classmates saying he was a bit of an asshole too.

So did many former business owners who believed Bain Capital was going to build their companies.

160 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 3:48:28pm

And yes, Cain also announced earlier than Pawlenty.

161 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 3:48:29pm

re: #158 Nyet

See the word “major”? ;)

If I had to pay attention to every freaky fringe Republican candidate who wants to be president, I would lose my mind.

:D

162 ObserverArt  Mar 23, 2015 3:49:03pm

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

He is one of those Libertarians who pretend to be Republican. Eventually he dropped the pretense and re-filed for the Libertarian ticket..

In the meantime, there’s this:
nytimes.com
WASHINGTON — Former Gov. Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota became the first major Republican to enter the 2012 presidential race, announcing an exploratory committee on Monday that formalizes an ambition that has been steadily building for more than a year.

Wasn’t he also first one out? I don’t really remember, but then I really didn’t care.

163 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 3:49:16pm

re: #160 Nyet

And yes, Cain also announced earlier than Pawlenty.

Cain, another fringe idiot. But at least he was fun to watch.

164 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 3:49:35pm

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

So did many former business owners who believed Bain Capital was going to build their companies.

Yeah, this is the first I’ve heard of Romney being a “nice guy.” It’s adorable how Chuckles grasps at every possible straw for Cruz. He doesn’t have any reasons why Cruz will win. Hell the guy’s own party seems to be iffy on him. That should tell Chuckles something.

165 Justanotherhuman  Mar 23, 2015 3:49:52pm

re: #163 Backwoods_Sleuth

WTF was that 9-9-9 thing again?

166 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 3:49:56pm

re: #162 ObserverArt

Wasn’t he also first one out? I don’t really remember, but then I really didn’t care.

Yeah, a couple of days after his “obamneycare” gaffe.

167 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 3:50:07pm

Who was the first Dem in 2008? Asking not trivia.

168 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 3:50:39pm

re: #165 Justanotherhuman

WTF was that 9-9-9 thing again?

9% on sales tax, 9% income, and 9% property perhaps. It was a pizza style gimmick.

169 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 3:50:54pm

re: #163 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think Pawlenty’s disappearance shows that he was fringe too.

170 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 3:51:22pm

re: #162 ObserverArt

Wasn’t he also first one out? I don’t really remember, but then I really didn’t care.

Pawlenty i think yeah dropped really early. I don’t have any memories of him in any of the debates that I watched with college friends that fall.

171 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 3:51:36pm

re: #169 Nyet

I think Pawlenty’s disappearance shows that he was fringe too.

Albeit I will grant that may not have seen so at the time.

172 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 3:51:51pm

re: #169 Nyet

I think Pawlenty’s disappearance shows that he was fringe too.

Fringe? Nah. Somehow even less inspiring than Mitt Romney, yes.

173 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 3:52:32pm

re: #172 HappyWarrior

Huntsman also de facto fringe.

174 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 3:52:36pm

I think Pawlenty had the same thing happened to him that Mark Warner did in 2008. He thought he would make a better possible candidate than he was.

175 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 3:53:03pm

re: #173 Nyet

Huntsman also de facto fringe.

Yeah when Huntsman polled worse than Cain, that was really a sign to me that we were seeing a clown car.

176 ObserverArt  Mar 23, 2015 3:53:10pm

re: #164 HappyWarrior

Yeah, this is the first I’ve heard of Romney being a “nice guy.” It’s adorable how Chuckles grasps at every possible straw for Cruz. He doesn’t have any reasons why Cruz will win. Hell the guy’s own party seems to be iffy on him. That should tell Chuckles something.

I have a feeling Chuck C. J. sees himself in Cruz. That is one of the big reasons he pointed out “nice guys finish last.” Chuck is not a nice guy.

177 Kragar  Mar 23, 2015 3:53:12pm

A black man, recently found hanging from a tree, doesn’t appear to have stepped off of anything before he died, according to a Mississippi sherriff.

178 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 23, 2015 3:53:15pm

re: #169 Nyet

I think Pawlenty’s disappearance shows that he was fringe too.

but republicans were encouraged at his surpassing blandness

kind like Jeb The Man Voted Most Likely To Make Associate Vice President Of Mortgages

179 Justanotherhuman  Mar 23, 2015 3:54:23pm

re: #167 HappyWarrior

On December 12, 2006, Kucinich announced his candidacy.

en.wikipedia.org

I think I fished that out correctly.

180 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 3:54:28pm

re: #177 Kragar

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Not a problem. CCJ is on the case to tell us the truth. He’s got an inside man that wears white robes and likes burning crosses.

181 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 3:55:09pm

re: #167 HappyWarrior

Who was the first Dem in 2008? Asking not trivia.

I want to say Bill Richardson, but not sure.

182 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 3:55:13pm

re: #175 HappyWarrior

Yeah when Huntsman polled worse than Cain, that was really a sign to me that we were seeing a clown car.

I stopped sorta-liking Huntsman after his gimmicks got old (I think he is sleazy on the inside) but the positions he espoused were not half-crazy, which is why he fell faster than a lead weight.

183 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 3:55:15pm

re: #179 Justanotherhuman

On December 12, 2006, Kucinich announced his candidacy.

en.wikipedia.org

I think I fished that out correctly.

Damn about a month after the Congressional elections. I’ve talked about it here before but in 2003ish I was a Kucinich guy. Granted, I was in high school and much more naive than I am now.

184 Shiplord Kirel  Mar 23, 2015 3:55:27pm

Ted’s announcement venue is particularly well chosen:

Jesse Helms School of Government at (where else?) Liberty University.

The Helms School of Government prepares students to understand and articulate the Biblical Christian sources of our religious, economic and political liberties, and equip them to become Christ-centered leaders, able to apply God’s Word in every area of life.

185 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 3:56:16pm

re: #182 Nyet

I stopped sorta-liking Huntsman after his gimmicks got old (I think he is sleazy on the inside) but the positions he espoused were not half-crazy, which is why he fell faster than a lead weight.

I liked Huntsman until he started talking about abolishing the EPA. What is the use of being a Republican who acknowledges climate change if you’re going to get rid of the EPA?

186 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 3:56:45pm

re: #182 Nyet

I stopped sorta-liking Huntsman after his gimmicks got old (I think he is sleazy on the inside) but the positions he espoused were not half-crazy, which is why he fell faster than a lead weight.

The sad thing about Huntsman is the fact that he was the sanest one of the bunch.

187 allegro  Mar 23, 2015 3:57:23pm

re: #184 Shiplord Kirel

Ted’s announcement venue is particularly well chosen:

Jesse Helms School of Government at (where else?) Liberty University.

That’s just creepy.

188 Justanotherhuman  Mar 23, 2015 3:57:35pm

Damn, you know he feels awful about this.

Singer-songwriter David Crosby hit a jogger with his car; Crosby ‘was cooperative with authorities and he was not impaired or intoxicated in any way,’ police say - @cnnbrk

cnn.com

“”Mr. Crosby was cooperative with authorities and he was not impaired or intoxicated in any way. Mr. Crosby did not see the jogger because of the sun,” said Clotworthy.

“According to the spokesman, the jogger and Crosby were on the same side of the road.

“Pedestrians are supposed to be on the left side of the road walking toward traffic, Clotworthy said. Joggers are considered pedestrians.” More

189 EPR-radar  Mar 23, 2015 3:57:44pm

re: #182 Nyet

I stopped sorta-liking Huntsman after his gimmicks got old (I think he is sleazy on the inside) but the positions he espoused were not half-crazy, which is why he fell faster than a lead weight.

I suppose Huntman’s tax plan (i.e., eliminate taxes on capital gains and dividends) did qualify as ‘non-crazy’ in Republican cloud-cuckoo land.

190 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 3:58:04pm

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

The sad thing about Huntsman is the fact that he was the sanest one of the bunch.

What’s sad is he’s what is considered a moderate Republican these days. If Huntsman had ran in 2000 among Bush and McCAin, he would have been well to their right.

191 makeitstop  Mar 23, 2015 3:59:24pm

re: #142 ObserverArt

I’ve got nothing good to say about them. I had bad experience with them a few years back just with them handling our many company email accounts and email marketing.

Fought with them all the damn time with getting the damn email blasts to go out properly. Their techs were the worst.

This site I inherited and the client wanted to stay on GoDaddy. I thought since they already had the original windows asp site going for close to 6 years moving to a new server for a php page site would be no big deal. I was wrong. We were going to have the old and new running and then I went to have them cut off the old site on Wednesday and by Wednesday night they had both the old and new off line. Just got the new site up this afternoon.

And their admin UI is just horrible. Every time I have to log in (and I don’t go near them until it’s an absolute necessity), it seems like they move stuff around and/or set up new pages and don’t remove the links to the old pages.

Last time, all I had to do was point DNS servers away from them to another host. After waiting a week for the new settings to propagate, then going through three days of trying to get hold of tech support (robo-phone system, which I loathe) and having them ask for credentials I didn’t have, I tried what I thought was an old tech support number and got through - at which point the tech kid told me ‘Oh, you’re working from the old page for DNS settings.’

They’d changed their UI and never updated the damned links. Useless.

192 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 4:02:58pm

I liked Richardson as a candidate back in 08. I really liked his creds but Obama was the better choice in the end even without the questions about Richardson’s ethics that have come out since then. Now John Edwards is someone who I liked in 2004 despite not liking his hawkishness on the Iraq War but someone who I did not like as much in 2008 because he came across as pandering to the liberal base rather than sincere heart thought out positions. I liked Biden though I found him cocky (this has since changed since Biden became Obama’s running mate and IMO one excellent VP). Dodd I felt indifferent towards- he didn’t excite or offend. Gravel was amusing and Kucinich was a reminder of my moonbat days.

193 Eventual Carrion  Mar 23, 2015 4:03:42pm

This guy Cruz is almost 10 years younger than me but comes across as a doddering, spiteful old fool.

194 Justanotherhuman  Mar 23, 2015 4:03:54pm

Holy cow. You go, girl.

Meet the 10-year-old maths genius who’s just enrolled at college

cnn.com

195 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 4:06:03pm

re: #193 Eventual Carrion

This guy Cruz is almost 10 years younger than me but comes across as a doddering, spiteful old fool.

That’s what a lot of the younger Republicans are like. These are all guys and gals who are young in age but come off much older than they are.

196 Ace-o-aces  Mar 23, 2015 4:06:11pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

Willie Robertson before and after Duck Dynasty:

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In his defense, who would you rather buy a duck call from, they guy on the right or the left?

197 Eventual Carrion  Mar 23, 2015 4:07:55pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

Willie Robertson before and after Duck Dynasty:

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They were pretty much preppy fucks until they decided to make money off the rubes.

198 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 4:09:58pm

re: #197 Eventual Carrion

They were pretty much preppy fucks until they decided to make money off the rubes.

Still are preppy fucks. Honestly, I had no problem with them or the show until Phil showed what an ignorant asshole he was. Not just about gay people but black people too.

199 meteor  Mar 23, 2015 4:09:58pm

re: #20 darthstar

There are now flames coming out of my eyeballs.

200 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 23, 2015 4:10:06pm

re: #196 Ace-o-aces

In his defense, who would you rather buy a duck call from, they guy on the right or the left?

vy not a chicken?

201 Justanotherhuman  Mar 23, 2015 4:12:24pm

Later, Lizards!

Keep calm…

202 Drive By Commenter  Mar 23, 2015 4:12:58pm

re: #193 Eventual Carrion

This guy Cruz is almost 10 years younger than me but comes across as a doddering, spiteful old fool.

Wrong. He’s a gleeful bag of shit who so far has gained from his non stop ability to recognize a mark and work it to gain. He’s a grifter and says all the right things a lame brained petty vile creature wants to hear. Voilà! The GOP….$$$$$$$$….After doomed Presidential run…BIG$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

203 makeitstop  Mar 23, 2015 4:15:09pm

re: #173 Nyet

Huntsman also de facto fringe.

Only if you take ‘fringe’ to mean ‘insuffuciently insane.’ Although to be fair, he tried - but being Obama’s ambassador to China was the death blow.

204 Eventual Carrion  Mar 23, 2015 4:15:24pm

re: #116 darthstar

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And says he will declare war against the Norman invaders!

205 Kragar  Mar 23, 2015 4:15:43pm

Damn those crazy Orks.

206 Targetpractice  Mar 23, 2015 4:16:45pm

re: #205 Kragar

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Damn those crazy Orks.

They stole Kaneda’s bike!

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207 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 4:16:56pm

re: #185 HappyWarrior

I liked Huntsman until he started talking about abolishing the EPA. What is the use of being a Republican who acknowledges climate change if you’re going to get rid of the EPA?

For me it was that over-the-top Onion-like anonymous “Jon the Manchurian candidate” video on a throwaway youtube account that pretended to belong to a Ron Paul supporter. Of course, anybody could have made that video, and just because Paul is a racist scumbag (as are most of his supporters) doesn’t mean that there was actual evidence that it belonged to a Paul supporter (rather than someone who’d decided to mess with Paul), much less to the official Paul campaign, but Huntsman latched onto this chance to revive his sinking campaign even if a bit and demanded that Paul “disavow” the video. That’s when I understood that he’d got no principles.

208 Eventual Carrion  Mar 23, 2015 4:17:30pm

re: #121 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Normans Go Home!

Damn, Beat me to it.

209 A Cranky One  Mar 23, 2015 4:17:34pm

re: #193 Eventual Carrion

This guy Cruz is almost 10 years younger than me but comes across as a doddering, spiteful old fool.

Takes after his dad.

210 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 23, 2015 4:18:01pm

Welp, this morning a posted TEH MOAST STUPID WINGNUT MEME OF TEH DAY and then at lunch time I found another one that was MOAR STUPIDER and now I present to you
TEH MOAST STUPID MEME OF TEH HOLE DAY:

211 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 4:18:37pm

re: #210 The Mother Of All Pies

270 million Jews?

212 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 4:18:45pm

re: #207 Nyet

For me it was that over-the-top Onion-like anonymous “Jon the Manchurian candidate” video on a throwaway youtube account that pretended to belong to a Ron Paul supporter. Of course, anybody could have made that video, and just because Paul is a racist scumbag (as are most of his supporters) doesn’t mean that there was actual evidence that it belonged to a Paul supporter (rather than someone who’d decided to mess with Paul), much less to the official Paul campaign, but Huntsman latched onto this chance to revive his sinking campaign even if a bit and demanded that Paul “disavow” the video. That’s when I understood that he’d got no principles.

Oh yes, I remember that. You’re right. That was messed up.

213 makeitstop  Mar 23, 2015 4:18:59pm

re: #207 Nyet

For me it was that over-the-top Onion-like anonymous “Jon the Manchurian candidate” video on a throwaway youtube account that pretended to belong to a Ron Paul supporter. Of course, anybody could have made that video, and just because Paul is a racist scumbag (as are most of his supporters) doesn’t mean that there was actual evidence that it belonged to a Paul supporter (rather than someone who’d decided to mess with Paul), much less to the official Paul campaign, but Huntsman latched onto this chance to revive his sinking campaign even if a bit and demanded that Paul “disavow” the video. That’s when I understood that he’d got no principles.

The video featuring his daughters was a lot of fun, though.

214 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 23, 2015 4:18:59pm

How many Thetans did the “Muslims” kill?

215 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 23, 2015 4:19:24pm

re: #211 Nyet

270 million Jews?

Inorite

216 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 4:19:41pm

re: #210 The Mother Of All Pies

My old piece. “270 mln” are also there, obviously not referring to Jews.

217 Kragar  Mar 23, 2015 4:20:11pm
218 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 4:21:20pm

re: #213 makeitstop

The video featuring his daughters was a lot of fun, though.

They seemed like likable people. People I could imagine myself being cordial with. Romney’s boys though. Let’s just say those guys were the poster child for what’s wrong with the Good Old Boy network. The one saying he wanted to punch Obama after the debate was icing on the cake. Didn’t really get to know the other candidates children and i’ts really not a partisan thing since as I said, I think Huntsman’s daughters seem likable and I think McCain and W Bush’s daughters are likable young women too even though I think Meaghan is in denial about what her father’s party actually is.

219 sagehen  Mar 23, 2015 4:21:51pm

re: #183 HappyWarrior

Damn about a month after the Congressional elections. I’ve talked about it here before but in 2003ish I was a Kucinich guy. Granted, I was in high school and much more naive than I am now.

Were you unaware that Kucinich claims to have had personal contact with extraterrestrials?

220 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 4:22:00pm

270 million Jews?!?!

221 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 23, 2015 4:22:21pm

re: #183 HappyWarrior

Damn about a month after the Congressional elections. I’ve talked about it here before but in 2003ish I was a Kucinich guy. Granted, I was in high school and much more naive than I am now.

Funny but even as a far lefty I always looked askance at Kucinich because there was always that aura (heh) of woo-woo about him. Still better than Edwards but that’s not saying much.

2016 is going to suck big time for me between the GOP far right theocratic clowns and the center-right Democratic party’s fumbles.

222 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 4:22:39pm

re: #219 sagehen

Were you unaware that Kucinich claims to have had personal contact with extraterrestrials?

I had to been. I was 16 and ultra left wing and just wanted the most liberal candidate I could find. He’s proven to be a huge disappointment since then.

223 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 4:23:42pm

re: #221 William Barnett-Lewis

Funny but even as a far lefty I always looked askance at Kucinich because there was always that aura (heh) of woo-woo about him. Still better than Edwards but that’s not saying much.

2016 is going to suck big time for me between the GOP far right theocratic clowns and the center-right Democratic party’s fumbles.

Yeah but you’re older than I am and more wiser. I just fell in love with the platform. I was as I said a very naive high school student.

224 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 23, 2015 4:25:40pm

re: #205 Kragar

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Damn those crazy Orks.

That is the coolest mini you’ve posted yet. If I ever play WH4k it will have to be as Orks.

225 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 4:26:08pm

re: #220 HappyWarrior

270 million Jews?!?!

Space Jews.

226 b.d.  Mar 23, 2015 4:26:47pm

re: #217 Kragar

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Free Beacon is a parody site, right?

Ted Cruz’s so-called “conservatism” has always struck me as phonier than Barack Obama’s so-called “birth certificate.” I thought his coloring book was a heaping pile of left-wing propaganda

&

Ted Cruz claims to oppose the failed presidency of Barack Obama, but their resumés are practically identical. Ivy League? Check. Law degree? Check? Junior senator from a left-leaning state? Check.

Texas is a left-leaning state? Really now?

227 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 4:27:10pm

But on old candidates. I never was big on Howard Dean. I think he had good ideas about how to run a campaign but as far as someone I actually would want as president, probably not. Now goes without saying that I would have taken him over Bush.

228 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 4:27:17pm

re: #222 HappyWarrior

I don’t care about what he believes to be his experiences, but becoming a Fox News personality is an unpardonable sin.

229 A Cranky One  Mar 23, 2015 4:27:32pm

re: #177 Kragar

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Under the circumstances, I’m glad some non-local authorities are looking into this. But the lack of something to step off of doesn’t necessarily indicate foul play. I believe initial reports indicated a sheet was used instead of rope. It’s plausible that he climbed the tree to tie one end of the sheet to a branch, tied the other around his neck and then let go.

Death by hanging is either by a broken neck or by suffocation. Suffocation is painful and prolonged. Someone who understood that might prefer the quick broken neck.

Sorry if this seems morbid. My cynicism suspects this was a murder, but I think it’s premature to reach conclusions.

230 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 4:28:07pm

re: #227 HappyWarrior

Howard Dean seemed to be an OK guy… right until he vocally supported the anti-Park51 bigots.

231 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 4:28:30pm

re: #230 Nyet

Howard Dean seemed to be an OK guy… right until he vocally supported the anti-Park51 bigots.

That was fucked up.

232 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 4:29:07pm

re: #228 Nyet

I don’t care about what he believes to be his experiences, but becoming a Fox News personality is an unpardonable sin.

Yeah I know right? That was well after my idealistic days though.

233 Shiplord Kirel  Mar 23, 2015 4:32:03pm

There is an apparent urban legend making the rounds that several times as many boys as girls have been born in the last few years for some reason, and (naturally) the gummint is covering it up.
I’ve heard this from a couple of sources, both affiliated with fundamentalist churches. Both cite the classic FOAF (friend of a friend) as a source.
The interesting thing is that this same claim was prevalent in fringe fundy circles in the late 70s.
I wonder if it is an example of a cyclical urban legend, one that reccurs at regular intervals, sometimes to the week. This phenomenon is documented by folklorist Jan Brundvand in several of his seminal works on urban legends.

234 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 4:32:39pm

Then there’s this.

…

235 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 4:34:31pm

re: #234 Nyet

Then there’s this.

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Video

Heh I remember Gravel and that video. That was just strange.

236 makeitstop  Mar 23, 2015 4:35:52pm

I think Cruz really made a misstep by jumping right in. Even the conservatives I know on Facebook have been openly mocking him today.

It’s really something to see - conservatives not offering up a knee-jerk defense of another conservative.

That narrows his support down to CCJ and Freepers. Holy crap.

237 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 4:37:06pm

re: #235 HappyWarrior

This ad certainly contains more interesting, fresh and smart ideas that the complete set thereof by the whole GOP cohort.

238 Great White Snark  Mar 23, 2015 4:39:17pm

I’m becoming a fan boy. Elon Musk. His latest very cool thing to do… He released all Space X photographs into a creative commons license. Someone challenged him to make them public domain. He just up and did it. What a guy.

petapixel.com

239 b.d.  Mar 23, 2015 4:40:19pm

re: #236 makeitstop

I think Cruz really made a misstep by jumping right in. Even the conservatives I know on Facebook have been openly mocking him today.

It’s really something to see - conservatives not offering up a knee-jerk defense of another conservative.

That narrows his support down to CCJ and Freepers. Holy crap.

Cruz hasn’t made a lot of allies in his political career, I can’t think of one. The only guy that even hangs around Cruz is Sen. Lee of Utah and that is because he is a mindless teabagger who needs someone to lead him around by the dick.

240 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 23, 2015 4:41:05pm

re: #234 Nyet

Then there’s this.

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Video

Not sure how I missed that - the best three minutes of intellectually honest conservative thought in the past century. Or to mangle Basho…

Angry fool
Rock thrown anyway -
Splash!

241 Great White Snark  Mar 23, 2015 4:41:58pm

All ours just like NASA images.

242 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 23, 2015 4:42:28pm

re: #238 Great White Snark

I’m becoming a fan boy. Elon Musk. His latest very cool thing to do… He released all Space X photographs into a creative commons license. Someone challenged him to make them public domain. He just up and did it. What a guy.

petapixel.com

They’ll all still be labeled with the most open CC license though because his statement of release, apparently (according to the article I read on NPR) won’t necessarily be sufficient in court.

243 Decatur Deb  Mar 23, 2015 4:47:06pm

re: #219 sagehen

Were you unaware that Kucinich claims to have had personal contact with extraterrestrials?

In my circles that would be considered rare, but not unheard-of.

244 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 4:47:22pm

re: #240 William Barnett-Lewis

Gravel is a very mixed bag, but conservative is not a label I would apply…

245 sagehen  Mar 23, 2015 4:47:41pm

re: #233 Shiplord Kirel

There is an apparent urban legend making the rounds that several times as many boys as girls have been born in the last few years for some reason, and (naturally) the gummint is covering it up.
I’ve heard this from a couple of sources, both affiliated with fundamentalist churches. Both cite the classic FOAF (friend of a friend) as a source.
The interesting thing is that this same claim was prevalent in fringe fundy circles in the late 70s.
I wonder if it is an example of a cyclical urban legend, one that reccurs at regular intervals, sometimes to the week. This phenomenon is documented by folklorist Jan Brundvand in several of his seminal works on urban legends.

There’s more boys than girls born in China (one child policy, gender-specific abortion) and more boys reported born than girls in India (probably infanticide)…

But in the U.S., fertility specialists who do gender selection sperm separation report that lots more of their patients are requesting girls than boys.

246 Mike Lamb  Mar 23, 2015 4:47:42pm

re: #125 Backwoods_Sleuth

No, UpChuck, people (including voters) said Romney was an asshole, too.

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I think we’ve put our finger on a fundamental problem if Chuck thinks Mitt was “nice”, and that being nice is the reason he lost…

247 EPR-radar  Mar 23, 2015 4:48:05pm

On the subject of Ted Cruz, I think this observation (which I can’t take credit for) sums it up well.

“I thought they were getting the elephants out of the circus.”

248 EPR-radar  Mar 23, 2015 4:50:24pm

re: #246 Mike Lamb

I think we’ve put our finger on a fundamental problem if Chuck thinks Mitt was “nice”, and that being nice is the reason he lost…

Romney was being nice (according to GOP base standards). The GOP base really would like to see a GOP POTUS candidate bring a 50 pound bag of dog poop to a presidential debate, light it on fire, and toss it to splatter both the moderator and the (D) candidate.

249 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 23, 2015 4:50:32pm

re: #244 Nyet

Gravel is a very mixed bag, but conservative is not a label I would apply…

Well, it’s still a good thought about conservative thought … < LOL > I really don’t know the guy and from the look of that ad? I don’t think I’m going to be too worried about bothering :D

250 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 23, 2015 4:52:43pm

re: #244 Nyet

Gravel is a very mixed bag, but conservative is not a label I would apply…

there is a pun in here somewhere…

251 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 4:52:48pm

I think the thing with Cruz and why probably why a lot of his fellow R’s don’t like him is that he’s pretty much been running for president from the moment he was swore into office. Now could say the same thing about Rand Paul too but it’s even more blatant with Ted.

252 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 4:54:02pm

Wow. That’s a new level of rhetoric, and Bibi has only himself to blame:

“An occupation that has lasted more than 50 years must end,” McDonough said, one of several times he brought the crowd to its feet.

Read more: politico.com

253 Shiplord Kirel  Mar 23, 2015 4:54:32pm

re: #245 sagehen

There’s more boys than girls born in China (one child policy, gender-specific abortion) and more boys reported born than girls in India (probably infanticide)…

But in the U.S., fertility specialists who do gender selection sperm separation report that lots more of their patients are requesting girls than boys.

I should have mentioned that the legend claims a disparity of anywhere from 2/1 to 5/1 in the US. How people could believe this is beyond me. Needless to say, I didn’t try to argue with my sources, I just nodded and said, “That’s interesting.”

254 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 23, 2015 4:54:34pm

re: #251 HappyWarrior

I think the thing with Cruz and why probably why a lot of his fellow R’s don’t like him is that he’s pretty much been running for president from the moment he was swore into office. Now could say the same thing about Rand Paul too but it’s even more blatant with Ted.

seems to me like he’s been running for president since the first time he bullied somebody into giving him their lunch money

255 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 4:55:53pm

re: #249 William Barnett-Lewis

For this he deserves thanks even today:

On the night of June 29, 1971, Gravel attempted to read the papers on the floor of the Senate as part of his filibuster against the draft, but was thwarted when no quorum could be formed.[70] Gravel instead convened a session of the Buildings and Grounds subcommittee that he chaired.[70] He got New York Congressman John Dow to testify that the war had soaked up funding for public buildings, thus making discussion of the war relevant to the committee.[71] He began reading from the papers with the press in attendance,[70] omitting supporting documents that he felt might compromise national security,[72] and declaring, “It is my constitutional obligation to protect the security of the people by fostering the free flow of information absolutely essential to their democratic decision-making.”[72]

He read until 1 a.m., until with tears and sobs he said that he could no longer physically continue,[72] the previous three nights of sleeplessness and fear about the future having taken their toll.[8] Gravel ended the session by, with no other senators present, establishing unanimous consent[71] to insert 4,100 pages of the Papers into the Congressional Record of his subcommittee.[41][66] The following day, the Supreme Court’s New York Times Co. v. United States decision ruled in favor of the newspapers[66] and publication in The Times and others resumed. In July 1971, Bantam Books published an inexpensive paperback edition of the papers containing the material The Times had published.[73]

256 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 4:57:01pm

re: #254 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

seems to me like he’s been running for president since the first time he bullied somebody into giving him their lunch money

I bet you he was an Eddie Haskell type.

257 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 4:57:58pm

re: #239 b.d.

Cruz hasn’t made a lot of allies in his political career, I can’t think of one. The only guy that even hangs around Cruz is Sen. Lee of Utah and that is because he is a mindless teabagger who needs someone to lead him around by the dick.

Sarah Palin likes him.
Maybe not so much now since he’s made a move into her grifting area.

258 Charles Johnson  Mar 23, 2015 4:58:08pm
259 Charles Johnson  Mar 23, 2015 4:58:31pm
260 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 4:59:29pm

re: #258 Charles Johnson

If the white supremacists had as high IQs as they think they do, they would run away screaming from Chuck.

261 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 4:59:54pm

re: #259 Charles Johnson

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Is that before or after he ruins Jeb Bush?

262 Eventual Carrion  Mar 23, 2015 5:00:59pm

re: #229 A Cranky One

[snip]
Death by hanging is either by a broken neck or by suffocation. Suffocation is painful and prolonged. Someone who understood that might prefer the quick broken neck.

Sorry if this seems morbid. My cynicism suspects this was a murder, but I think it’s premature to reach conclusions.

The bit I have been hearing of this I am leaning towards suicide. We had a kid around here 6 - 7 years back that did the same thing. Climbed a backyard tree with a sheet, tied it off on branch, tied around neck, jumped. Until I hear something about signs of a struggle or abrasions to the deceased I will keep leaning towards suicide. Though I admit when I very first heard about the incident the first thing that came mind was lynching.

263 lawhawk  Mar 23, 2015 5:03:44pm

You only get a first shot at a first impression, and Cruz showed he’s amateur hour despite the oratory performance in front of a stacked, packed, and rented audience at Liberty U.

Where’s his computer/IT/tech department’s skills to make sure they have their site live from the get go, and that the tedcruz.com domain is his? He knew he was doing this months (if not years) ago. Yet, he and his crew failed to secure the sites?

If he can’t secure his domain name, how can he keep our nuclear weapons secure?

How can he complain about Obamacare’s website rollout, which was far more technologically advanced and critical but hobbled by the delay in waiting for the Supreme Court to determine what was constitutional? His site? What’s his site btw? It surely isn’t tedcruz.com, because that isn’t his.

It appears to be tedcruz2016, but it’s a mess, and still loading on FiOS 50/50 (to say nothing of security issues).

Or that his logo is an upside down flag burning (well, his disdain for the US Constitution, the separation of church and state, and civil rights enshrined in the Constitution are well known).

264 Decatur Deb  Mar 23, 2015 5:04:08pm

re: #252 Nyet

Wow. That’s a new level of rhetoric, and Bibi has only himself to blame:

Both The Hill and Politico have been entertaining this commenter, complete with totenkopf. I tried to flag him through Disqus, but am not registered.

politico.com

265 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 5:05:38pm

re: #263 lawhawk

You only get a first shot at a first impression, and Cruz showed he’s amateur hour despite the oratory performance in front of a stacked, packed, and rented audience at Liberty U.

Where’s his computer/IT/tech department’s skills to make sure they have their site live from the get go, and that the tedcruz.com domain is his? He knew he was doing this months (if not years) ago. Yet, he and his crew failed to secure the sites?

If he can’t secure his domain name, how can he keep our nuclear weapons secure?

How can he complain about Obamacare’s website rollout, which was far more technologically advanced and critical but hobbled by the delay in waiting for the Supreme Court to determine what was constitutional? His site? What’s his site btw? It surely isn’t tedcruz.com, because that isn’t his.

It appears to be tedcruz2016, but it’s a mess, and still loading on FiOS 50/50 (to say nothing of security issues).

Or that his logo is an upside down flag burning (well, his disdain for the US Constitution, the separation of church and state, and civil rights enshrined in the Constitution are well known).

He’s an amateur. Obama was a rookie too but he had some savvy people helping him out. No idea who is advising Cruz but given the fact that his colleague from Texas isn’t endorsing him, that’s a sign of problems. And his biggest cheerleader on the internets is Chucky.

266 b.d.  Mar 23, 2015 5:05:49pm

re: #261 HappyWarrior

Is that before or after he ruins Jeb Bush?

I do believe Chuck has the goods on all politicians and will use his secret dossier wisely to get Cruz elected and then demand to be installed as the head of the FBI.
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267 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 5:06:15pm

re: #264 Decatur Deb

You mean this one: disqus.com

268 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 5:06:24pm

re: #266 b.d.

I do believe Chuck has the goods on all politicians and will use his secret dossier wisely to get Cruz elected and then demand to be installed as the head of the FBI.
//

Co-emperor.

269 Charles Johnson  Mar 23, 2015 5:07:05pm

re: #263 lawhawk

I think his official site is tedcruz.org.

270 Decatur Deb  Mar 23, 2015 5:07:25pm

re: #267 Nyet

You mean this one: disqus.com

Yes. He has 3000+ comments on The Hill.

271 b.d.  Mar 23, 2015 5:07:36pm

re: #268 HappyWarrior

Co-emperor.

Cruz/Chuck 2016!

272 lawhawk  Mar 23, 2015 5:07:56pm

Chuckles is going to end Ted Cruz’s political career? Seriously? Unless Chuckles has pictures of the two of them together in a loving and passionate embrace, Chuckles is just blowing smoke.

He’s got nothing.

He’s had years to end someone’s political career - but has done nothing of the sort.

Chuckles has, however, doxxed and smeared lots of folks who weren’t political officials, let alone presidential contenders for a major party nomination. He’s real good at doxxing and smearing folks. Making legitimate news? Nope, he’s worse than a remora, latching on to extremist right wing nutters and espousing all manner of craziness.

273 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 5:08:52pm

Chuckles is basically Jimmy O’Keefe if Jimmy O’Keefe never left his home.

274 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 5:09:09pm

re: #272 lawhawk

I’m pretty sure he means someone else, though somehow connected to Cruz, directly or not. He’s a Cruz fanboy.

275 b.d.  Mar 23, 2015 5:09:47pm

re: #272 lawhawk

I think you misread that Lawhawk. Chuck is so far up in Ted Cruz’s butt that he is going to expose and ruin anyone who dares to challenge him for the nomination. My guess is that Chuck is going to release something lame on Walker that has been in the public realm for months.

276 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 5:10:43pm

re: #275 b.d.

I think you misread that Lawhawk. Chuck is so far up in Ted Cruz’s butt that he is going to expose and ruin anyone who dares to challenge him for the nomination. My guess is that Chuck is going to release something lame on Walker that has been in the public realm for months.

Walker is a college dropout!

277 lawhawk  Mar 23, 2015 5:11:11pm

re: #269 Charles Johnson

Yeah, I found that one eventually - because there’s all manner of sites out there leading to who knows where - and even when you get to his official site, he’s got security certificate issues. At least there were issues this morning.

278 Decatur Deb  Mar 23, 2015 5:11:25pm

re: #276 HappyWarrior

Walker is a college dropout!

And he hates bagpipers.

279 lawhawk  Mar 23, 2015 5:12:42pm

re: #274 Nyet

re: #275 b.d.

Yup, it does look like I misread that - though you could substitute any other politician for Cruz and it’s the same outcome.

He thinks of himself as a heavy hitter, and can’t even get out of pee wee.

280 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 23, 2015 5:13:44pm

Well, haven’t had x.org crash that hard in awhile. My favorite bit of Microsoft programming even had to come into play - they added virtual consoles to Xenix a long time ago before DOS even existed. Alt-F1, log & and kill the locked up process. Funny how things work sometimes…

281 #FergusonFireside  Mar 23, 2015 5:14:12pm

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

Was it you that retweeted & got retweeted by Chuck’s Asian Wife today?

I lol’d pretty damn hard @ the desk.

282 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 23, 2015 5:14:31pm

re: #255 Nyet

I’ll grant him that moment.

283 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 5:17:00pm

I am actually surprised at how badly Cruz has handled the website and then having the announcement at an event that kids were forced to attend? Just not good optics. His being an amateur is showing big time. I have no idea who his aides are but I wager they’re not as seasoned as the people Bush, Walker, or even Paul have. The fact that he bypassed the exploratory committee tells you a lot honestly.

284 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 5:17:03pm

re: #281 #FergusonFireside

Was it you that retweeted & got retweeted by Chuck’s Asian Wife today?

I lol’d pretty damn hard @ the desk.

She favorited it:

285 #FergusonFireside  Mar 23, 2015 5:19:09pm

re: #284 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lol, love it.

286 Charles Johnson  Mar 23, 2015 5:20:48pm

re: #272 lawhawk

Chuckles is going to end Ted Cruz’s political career? Seriously? Unless Chuckles has pictures of the two of them together in a loving and passionate embrace, Chuckles is just blowing smoke.

He’s got nothing.

He’s had years to end someone’s political career - but has done nothing of the sort.

Chuckles has, however, doxxed and smeared lots of folks who weren’t political officials, let alone presidential contenders for a major party nomination. He’s real good at doxxing and smearing folks. Making legitimate news? Nope, he’s worse than a remora, latching on to extremist right wing nutters and espousing all manner of craziness.

Nah, he’s going to launch a failed attack on somebody else, probably Jeb Bush.

287 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 5:21:11pm

re: #285 #FergusonFireside

Lol, love it.

I would have added “and paying tuition” but ran out of characters.

288 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 5:21:46pm

re: #286 Charles Johnson

Probably not Bush, considering Chuck’s TA which already hates him (and thus needs no apologies).

289 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 5:22:40pm

re: #286 Charles Johnson

Nah, he’s going to launch a failed attack on somebody else, probably Jeb Bush.

I thought Jeb as well except for the part about “someone we all admire”.
UpChuck has been threatening to take down Jeb for ages already.

290 thedopefishlives  Mar 23, 2015 5:23:10pm

re: #289 Backwoods_Sleuth

I thought Jeb as well except for the part about “someone we all admire”.
UpChuck has been threatening to take down Jeb for ages already.

Remember, UpChuck is delusional. He probably thinks everyone admires Jeb Bush.

291 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 5:23:43pm

re: #290 thedopefishlives

Remember, UpChuck is delusional. He probably thinks everyone admires Jeb Bush.

true.

292 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 5:24:23pm

Rand Paul.

293 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 5:24:55pm

re: #290 thedopefishlives

Remember, UpChuck is delusional. He probably thinks everyone admires Jeb Bush.

“we all admire” includes Chuck.

294 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 5:25:00pm

re: #292 HappyWarrior

Rand Paul.

Well, that won’t take much.

295 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 5:26:09pm

re: #284 Backwoods_Sleuth

She favorited it:

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And he probably doesn’t have anything to say to the fact that Republicans pass these ID laws and then shut down DMVs where voters can get such IDs. I’m with President Obama. Make voting easier not difficult. Despite what hacks like CHucky believe. Voter fraud isn’t a problem in this country and most of the people who have been arrested for it have been in fact Republican activists.

296 lawhawk  Mar 23, 2015 5:26:32pm

re: #286 Charles Johnson

Nah, he’s going to launch a failed attack on somebody else, probably Jeb Bush.

We should post odds on who his ultimate target is:

Jeb Bush? 3-1
Chris Christie 7-2
Bobby Jinday 15-1
Scott Walker 5-1
Carly Fiorina (no odds, demon sheep ate the vig).

297 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 5:26:54pm

re: #294 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, that won’t take much.

You’d think his goon squad stomping on that woman five years ago would have disqualified him in the eyes of many.

298 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 5:27:08pm
299 A Cranky One  Mar 23, 2015 5:27:35pm

<soopergenius> I’ll get Jim Hoft…then I’ll be the undisputed stupiest man on the Internet!!! Bwhaahahha </soopergenius>

300 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 5:27:41pm

re: #296 lawhawk

We should post odds on who his ultimate target is:

Jeb Bush? 3-1
Chris Christie 7-2
Bobby Jinday 15-1
Scott Walker 5-1
Carly Fiorina (no odds, demon sheep ate the vig).

No odds for luap Dnar. i am disappointed in you Bookie.

301 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 5:27:53pm

re: #296 lawhawk

Jeb Bush? 3-1
Chris Christie 7-2
Bobby Jinday 15-1
Scott Walker 5-1
Carly Fiorina (no odds, demon sheep ate the vig).

We can more or less safely exclude Jeb and Chris. Carly is a demon Joker, heh.

302 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 5:28:45pm

re: #296 lawhawk

We should post odds on who his ultimate target is:

Jeb Bush? 3-1
Chris Christie 7-2
Bobby Jinday 15-1
Scott Walker 5-1
Carly Fiorina (no odds, demon sheep ate the vig).

I say Walker.

303 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 5:29:28pm

re: #302 Backwoods_Sleuth

I say Walker.

Very plausible.

304 Charles Johnson  Mar 23, 2015 5:29:47pm

It could be Rand Paul, too. Regardless of who it is, I feel very confident in predicting that hilarity will ensue.

305 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 23, 2015 5:30:48pm

HURR HURR Y U LIBTARDS NOT SAY TED CRUZ IS TEH RICKY RICARDO SO WE CAN SAY HURR HURR WHO TEH RACIST NOW HUH LUBTARD1!!!!!!

306 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 5:31:23pm
307 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 5:31:37pm

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

Is there a BEE in that bluebonnet?

308 Charles Johnson  Mar 23, 2015 5:32:31pm
309 CuriousLurker  Mar 23, 2015 5:33:20pm

Because they wouldn’t want to have to stop executing people?

310 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 5:33:37pm

re: #305 The Mother Of All Pies

HURR HURR Y U LIBTARDS NOT SAY TED CRUZ IS TEH RICKY RICARDO SO WE CAN SAY HURR HURR WHO TEH RACIST NOW HUH LUBTARD1!!!!!!

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God conservatives are fucking stupid. No one has ever said that mentioning Obama’s black makes you racist but when you imply as many conservatives fucking have that he only got into Columbia and later Harvard because he was black. That is fucking racist. When you say that he favors black people over white people, yep you’re being racist. Sorry conservatives but there’s no racism by the left against Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz would be the same nitwit if his father was from Colorado. Sorry if mentioning that chaps your ass but own your fucking bullshit instead of crying about the mean old left.

311 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 5:34:11pm

re: #308 Charles Johnson

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It’s not Bush but it will be lame sauce.

312 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 5:35:04pm

He’ll probably try to end Count Chocula’s political career. And fail.

313 lawhawk  Mar 23, 2015 5:35:18pm

re: #300 HappyWarrior

I had to wrest the sheet away from the demon sheep.

Rand Paul 18-1
Ben Carson 35-1
Mike Huckabee 8-1
Marco Rubio 25-1
Rick Perry 25-1
Rick Santorum 40-1
John Kaisch 50-1

314 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 5:35:55pm

re: #313 lawhawk

I had to wrest the sheet away from the demon sheep.

Rand Paul 18-1
Ben Carson 35-1
Mike Huckabee 8-1
Marco Rubio 25-1
Rick Perry 25-1
Rick Santorum 40-1
John Kaisch 50-1

Now Huckabee is a good bet that I haven’t seen yet.

315 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 5:36:30pm

re: #312 Nyet

He’ll probably try to end Count Chocula’s political career. And fail.

I’d vote for Count Chocula over any of the Republican candidates and I am very anti-monarchical but also very pro chocolate.

316 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 5:37:17pm

re: #315 HappyWarrior

I’d vote for Count Chocula over any of the Republican candidates and I am very anti-monarchical but also very pro chocolate.

Choices, choices…

317 Charles Johnson  Mar 23, 2015 5:37:57pm
318 Drive By Commenter  Mar 23, 2015 5:38:04pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

Willie Robertson before and after Duck Dynasty:

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Yes. But it all depends on who and what they are selling. Piyush “Bobby” Jindal current Governor of Leesianna hired Full On Duck Dude. They sell a lot of swag in some circles. look for the chocolate bars.

“THEN I SAID, “SHOOT! WE CAN OPEN A MAGIC STORE AND SELL FAKE DOG DOO!”

They’ve already sold quite a bit or real dog doo.

319 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 5:38:07pm

Barney/Cookie Monster 2016

320 #FergusonFireside  Mar 23, 2015 5:38:17pm

Wait, just catching up here. Someone threatened Craig Robinson’s daughter before her NCAA tourney game?

W T F America.

(POTUS Niece - Michelle’s Brother’s child)

321 Decatur Deb  Mar 23, 2015 5:39:33pm

re: #309 CuriousLurker

Because they wouldn’t want to have to stop executing people?

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Alabama is facing the same drug cutoff. The AL House has introduced a bill to rewire the electric chair.

322 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 5:40:09pm

Little factoid I just ran across: Heidi Nelson (Mrs. Ted) Cruz got her undergraduate degree at Claremont McKenna College.

No wonder UpChuck is enamored.

323 danhenry1  Mar 23, 2015 5:40:19pm

re: #2 Kid A

Like her yes, but lets get Senator Warren into the White House.

324 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 5:40:21pm

re: #320 #FergusonFireside

Wait, just catching up here. Someone threatened Craig Robinson’s daughter before her NCAA tourney game?

W T F America.

(POTUS Niece - Michelle’s Brother’s child)

Yeah but liberals were so mean to George W. Bush ya know.//

325 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 5:41:37pm

re: #319 Nyet

Barney/Cookie Monster 2016

Crackle and Pop but not Snap for the Supreme Court. I don’t like Snap’s views on privacy.

326 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 5:42:45pm

The Honeycomb guy needs to be Secretary of Defense too.

327 Decatur Deb  Mar 23, 2015 5:43:36pm

re: #326 HappyWarrior

The Honeycomb guy needs to be Secretary of Defense too.

Cap’n Crunch has naval experience.

328 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 5:44:31pm

I am not liking that some “news” outlets are dredging up Heidi Cruz’s bout with depression ten years ago.

329 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 5:44:46pm

re: #327 Decatur Deb

Cap’n Crunch has naval experience.

He’s still in the Navy though. You have to be retired for five years before you can be Defense Secretary. He definitely should be considered for Chairman of the Joint Chiefs though.

330 #FergusonFireside  Mar 23, 2015 5:45:06pm

re: #310 HappyWarrior

You know what HW? You’ve been on a roll lately. So very appreciated.

331 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 5:45:51pm

re: #328 Backwoods_Sleuth

I am not liking that some “news” outlets are dredging up Heidi Cruz’s bout with depression ten years ago.

Yeah that’s not right. Her husband is a slimeball but leave that out of this because she should be left alone. Who’s doing it out of curiosity?

332 EPR-radar  Mar 23, 2015 5:46:13pm

re: #317 Charles Johnson

Rushton is way the hell out there. He’s so bad that anything that cites Rushton in support of a thesis is incurably contaminated with scientific racism.

333 Decatur Deb  Mar 23, 2015 5:46:15pm

re: #328 Backwoods_Sleuth

I am not liking that some “news” outlets are dredging up Heidi Cruz’s bout with depression ten years ago.

Scumbags gonna scumbag.

334 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 5:46:35pm

re: #331 HappyWarrior

Yeah that’s not right. Her husband is a slimeball but leave that out of this because she should be left alone. Who’s doing it out of curiosity?

Buzzfeed for one.
There are others starting to run with it now.

335 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 5:48:14pm

re: #334 Backwoods_Sleuth

Buzzfeed for one.
There are others starting to run with it now.

Man Buzzfeed is sleazy. It really is something that should be left alone. I’ev struggled with Depression myself. Mrs. Cruz struggling with that over a decade ago is none of our business.

336 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 5:48:31pm

re: #330 #FergusonFireside

You know what HW? You’ve been on a roll lately. So very appreciated.

I do my best.

337 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 23, 2015 5:50:24pm

re: #327 Decatur Deb

Cap’n Crunch has naval experience.

it’s true i found one once in my belly button

338 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 23, 2015 5:50:37pm

UCCCHH

339 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss  Mar 23, 2015 5:51:13pm

re: #315 HappyWarrior

I’d vote for Count Chocula over any of the Republican candidates and I am very anti-monarchical but also very pro chocolate.

Over generations, the peasants of Cocoavania have learned not to let their eyes cast upward towards Castle Chocula. Their gaze simply slides around its massive, brown edifice. Its mention is met with the forked fingers of the evil eye.

The tales of severed heads stuffed with marbits are vivid enough to suggest some kind of collective memory, passed down parent to child.

340 Decatur Deb  Mar 23, 2015 5:51:32pm

re: #337 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

it’s true i found one once in my belly button

We’re tolerant. An aberrant sex life shouldn’t keep you from commenting.

341 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 6:03:01pm

Now some welcome news. This is called investing in your population which is something that the Republican Party could learn a little about.
thinkprogress.org

342 A Cranky One  Mar 23, 2015 6:03:36pm

re: #339 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss

Over generations, the peasants of Cocoavania have learned not to let their eyes cast upward towards Castle Chocula. Their gaze simply slides around its massive, brown edifice. Its mention is met with the forked fingers of the evil eye.

The tales of severed heads stuffed with marbits are vivid enough to suggest some kind of collective memory, passed down parent to child.

Yah, yah. Get to the rumors about the Count and Frankenberry! CCJ wants to know. After all, the Count isn’t white. /////

343 CuriousLurker  Mar 23, 2015 6:04:22pm

I think I’m gonna start calling Ted Cruz by his given name Rafael Cruz to remind people that he comes from Hispanic immigrant stock. Like how people loved including POTUS’ middle name because it was Muslim.

344 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 6:06:38pm

re: #343 CuriousLurker

I think I’m gonna start calling Ted Cruz by his given name Rafael Cruz to remind people that he comes from Hispanic immigrant stock. Like how people loved including POTUS’ middle name because it was Muslim.

Racist /// So say will the people who would flip their shit when they hear anyone speaking Spanish.

345 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 6:15:59pm

LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!

346 Decatur Deb  Mar 23, 2015 6:16:32pm

re: #343 CuriousLurker

I think I’m gonna start calling Ted Cruz by his given name Rafael Cruz to remind people that he comes from Hispanic immigrant stock. Like how people loved including POTUS’ middle name because it was Muslim.

We are not them.

347 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 6:17:54pm

re: #345 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!

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Nice wife and kids but Ted isn’t fit to carry JFK’s jockstrap.

348 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 6:20:43pm

re: #345 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ugh.

349 Decatur Deb  Mar 23, 2015 6:21:23pm

re: #345 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!

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accuweather.com

350 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 6:21:56pm

re: #349 Decatur Deb

accuweather.com

Not exactly an inviting beach.

351 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 23, 2015 6:23:36pm

re: #345 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!

i would rather cam modestly than cam a lot

352 Decatur Deb  Mar 23, 2015 6:24:48pm

re: #350 HappyWarrior

Not exactly an inviting beach.

Because all the Canadians except Ted are at PCB.

353 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2015 6:27:01pm

Chuck says he’s going after people who want to be Cruz’s running mate.

354 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 6:28:38pm

re: #353 Backwoods_Sleuth

Chuck says he’s going after people who want to be Cruz’s running mate.

lol. This will be fun. Vetting by a man who attacks like a middle schooler. I am sure he’ll dismiss any women candidates because they have cooties.

355 CuriousLurker  Mar 23, 2015 6:30:50pm

re: #346 Decatur Deb

We are not them.

Oh, but that was mild. It’s early and it’s already getting WAY worse. I just blocked three Dems—the original tweeter and the two who RTed it—because I’m not going to tolerate this in my timeline. (Click at your own risk.)

356 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 23, 2015 6:31:26pm

let he who is without real estate cam the first lot

357 jaunte  Mar 23, 2015 6:32:51pm

Another signal that Ted’s people don’t understand politics.

358 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 6:35:33pm

re: #355 CuriousLurker

Oh, but that was mild. It’s early and it’s already getting WAY worse. I just blocked three Dems—the original tweeter and the two who RTed it—because I’m not going to tolerate this in my timeline. (Click at your own risk.)

Yeah that’s fucked up. A little pushback on the Barack Hussein Obama crap though is fair I think though. Shows how hypocritical they are.

359 Decatur Deb  Mar 23, 2015 6:36:59pm

re: #353 Backwoods_Sleuth

Chuck says he’s going after people who want to be Cruz’s running mate.

I nominate Joad Cressbecker.

…

360 lawhawk  Mar 23, 2015 6:37:23pm

Sued all the way to the high court? Umm, really? He went to the Missouri Supreme Court? Last time I checked in on this BS, he walked away after the circuit court denied he had a felony A or B record, which is precisely what Chuckles claimed he had. In fact, they reported Brown was never delinquent and that he had no serious felonies on his record or pending.

361 #FergusonFireside  Mar 23, 2015 6:37:35pm

re: #355 CuriousLurker

Oh, but that was mild. It’s early and it’s already getting WAY worse. I just blocked three Dems—the original tweeter and the two who RTed it—because I’m not going to tolerate this in my timeline. (Click at your own risk.)

Nope. And I’m sad even without clicking.

362 goddamnedfrank  Mar 23, 2015 6:37:51pm

Chuck is sounding more and more like Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction.

363 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 6:38:07pm

re: #358 HappyWarrior

Yeah that’s fucked up. A little pushback on the Barack Hussein Obama crap though is fair I think though. Shows how hypocritical they are.

Anybody on our side doing the said pushback will be a hypocrite.

364 Shiplord Kirel  Mar 23, 2015 6:38:11pm

re: #304 Charles Johnson

It could be Rand Paul, too. Regardless of who it is, I feel very confident in predicting that hilarity will ensue.

He will definitively identify Aqua Buddha for us.

365 lawhawk  Mar 23, 2015 6:38:40pm

re: #364 Shiplord Kirel

Burma Shave.

366 #FergusonFireside  Mar 23, 2015 6:40:26pm

re: #355 CuriousLurker

I saw that earlier. Yuck yeah.

Honestly I was expecting way worse when I couldn’t stop myself from clicking the link.

367 Decatur Deb  Mar 23, 2015 6:41:08pm

re: #363 Nyet

Anybody on our side doing the said pushback will be a hypocrite.

And a poor tactician.

368 danhenry1  Mar 23, 2015 6:41:21pm

LU students were required to attend…wow!
as reported by WSET
wset.com

369 CuriousLurker  Mar 23, 2015 6:42:37pm

re: #358 HappyWarrior

Yeah that’s fucked up. A little pushback on the Barack Hussein Obama crap though is fair I think though. Shows how hypocritical they are.

IMO, Referring to Cruz as “Cuban-Canadian immigrant Rafael Cruz” falls within the “a little pushback” category since all of it is true (just as POTUS’ name really is Barack Hussein Obama), however that cartoon I posted about was wayyy out of line and thoroughly disgusting. Again, it’s just my opinion.

370 jaunte  Mar 23, 2015 6:43:10pm

re: #368 danhenry1

Ted bursts out front in the running for the coveted Niedermeyer Cup.

371 CuriousLurker  Mar 23, 2015 6:45:43pm

re: #366 #FergusonFireside

I saw that earlier. Yuck yeah.

Honestly I was expecting way worse when I couldn’t stop myself from clicking the link.

It’s early yet. :-(

372 Skip Intro  Mar 23, 2015 6:47:30pm

Stop me if you’ve heard this one.

373 goddamnedfrank  Mar 23, 2015 6:48:20pm

re: #360 lawhawk

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Sued all the way to the high court? Umm, really? He went to the Missouri Supreme Court? Last time I checked in on this BS, he walked away after the circuit court denied he had a felony A or B record, which is precisely what Chuckles claimed he had. In fact, they reported Brown was never delinquent and that he had no serious felonies on his record or pending.

Seriously, plug Johnson’s name into CaseNet and anybody can see that he never got anywhere near the State Supreme Court. He never even made it out of the circuit court.. He’s lying to everyone who he grifted money off of, he gave up and never event tried to take the case to the State Court of Appeals.

374 Charles Johnson  Mar 23, 2015 6:48:43pm
375 Charles Johnson  Mar 23, 2015 6:50:32pm

re: #373 goddamnedfrank

Chuck thinks nobody is going to check his statements.

376 Skip Intro  Mar 23, 2015 6:51:23pm

re: #375 Charles Johnson

Chuck thinks everybody is as lazy as he is.

377 CuriousLurker  Mar 23, 2015 6:51:43pm

re: #370 jaunte

Hey jaunte, this one’s for you—ran across it last month: Artist fights drawings

378 A Cranky One  Mar 23, 2015 6:52:16pm

re: #375 Charles Johnson

Chuck thinks nobody is going to check his statements.

That strategy has been quite successful at Faux News, so why should he?

379 RadicalModerate  Mar 23, 2015 6:52:17pm

re: #368 danhenry1

LU students were required to attend…wow!
as reported by WSET
wset.com

For a political party that espouses how they love freedom so much, one wonders why they are the only party whose candidates have mandatory attendance under threat of economic retaliation for their political rallies.
I suppose it’s better than having armed guards enforcing attendance, but not by much.

380 goddamnedfrank  Mar 23, 2015 6:52:44pm

Wait … I typed “did mot”? I hate when you find typos in tweets after the fact and you’re all like fuck it who cares but deep down you really do care.

381 b.d.  Mar 23, 2015 6:52:47pm

re: #375 Charles Johnson

Chuck thinks nobody is going to check his statements.

Chuck is uncheckable by those who are on the wrong side of the Bell Curve than him!!

382 b.d.  Mar 23, 2015 6:53:22pm

re: #378 A Cranky One

That strategy has been quite successful at Faux News, so why should he?

Look at all of the trouble O’Reilly got in.
//

383 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 23, 2015 6:56:43pm

re: #380 goddamnedfrank

Wait … I typed “did mot”? I hate when you find typos in tweets after the fact and you’re all like fuck it who cares but deep down you really do care.

That usually happens to me here when I notice a typo after the pencil no longer works… :(

384 RadicalModerate  Mar 23, 2015 6:57:40pm

re: #374 Charles Johnson

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At this point, I’m just counting the days until the “white genocide” stuff starts to be openly displayed - and NOT condemned by the campaign.

385 b.d.  Mar 23, 2015 6:58:53pm

Looks like Chuck and Glenn have a mutual hero to defend.

386 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 23, 2015 6:59:07pm

re: #374 Charles Johnson

Let me guess, they’re saying Teh Commie Juice don’t know what’s good for them, only Evangelicals know better than Teh Juice.

387 Decatur Deb  Mar 23, 2015 7:02:59pm

re: #369 CuriousLurker

IMO, Referring to Cruz as “Cuban-Canadian immigrant Rafael Cruz” falls within the “a little pushback” category since all of it is true (just as POTUS name really is Barack Hussein Obama), however that cartoon I posted about was wayyy out of line and thoroughly disgusting. Again, it’s just my opinion.

I’ll ride the ‘Canadian’ shtick like a Kentucky mule—it isn’t aimed at an oppressed ethnic group. Birtherism has consequences.

“I don’t think he’s a pig fucker Canadian, I just want to hear him deny it.”

388 jaunte  Mar 23, 2015 7:04:33pm

re: #385 b.d.

Dems are really, really into the “he’s-a-furrrrrener” attack on Ted Cruz

Everyone should be concentrating on the “he’s a raving freakazoid nutbag” reality.

389 goddamnedfrank  Mar 23, 2015 7:05:02pm

Sometimes I catch myself composing a response to an Egg on Twitter, and then I’m all like NO FUCK NO NOTHING GOOD EVER COMES FROM THIS.

390 lawhawk  Mar 23, 2015 7:05:35pm

There’s plenty of reasons to not vote for Ted Cruz. Plenty of reasons to oppose him on any number of grounds.

That he isn’t American or lacks the qualifications to be president by means of being a natural born American isn’t one of them.

391 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 23, 2015 7:06:42pm

Here’s a song to really get into the Ted Cruz campaign
…

392 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 23, 2015 7:06:51pm

re: #387 Decatur Deb

I’ll ride the ‘Canadian’ shtick like a Kentucky mule—it isn’t aimed at an oppressed ethnic group. Birtherism has consequences.

“I don’t think he’s a pig fucker Canadian, I just want to hear him deny it.”

Amen, brother, amen.

393 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 7:07:03pm

re: #385 b.d.

Looks like Chuck and Glenn have a mutual hero to defend.

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Ed Schultz is the Democratic Party?

394 Decatur Deb  Mar 23, 2015 7:07:57pm

re: #390 lawhawk

There’s plenty of reasons to not vote for Ted Cruz. Plenty of reasons to oppose him on any number of grounds.

That he isn’t American or lacks the qualifications to be president by means of being a natural born American isn’t one of them.

[Embedded content]

There is no chance Cruz would get the nomination. It isn’t about Cruz, it’s about 7 years of insane birther mofos who went unanswered by the TPGOP.

395 Belafon  Mar 23, 2015 7:07:58pm

re: #385 b.d.

Looks like Chuck and Glenn have a mutual hero to defend.

[Embedded content]

Other than the obvious “now it’s our turn”, Ted was born in Canada.

396 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 7:08:23pm

Ted Cruz being Canadian born may be the last thing that bothers me about Ted Cruz. I am a little confused about how he’s eligible though.

397 goddamnedfrank  Mar 23, 2015 7:08:52pm
398 lawhawk  Mar 23, 2015 7:09:35pm

re: #394 Decatur Deb

There is no chance Cruz would get the nomination. It isn’t about Cruz, it’s about 7 years of insane birther mofos who went unanswered by the TPGOP.

Starting with Donald Trump, who’s figuring for a run of his own (no odds given, since bankruptcy courts might still intervene).

We’re still waiting for a birth certificate for Trump’s hair. Not sure of its universe of origin, let alone country.

399 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 7:10:07pm

re: #395 Belafon

Other than the obvious “now it’s our turn”, Ted was born in Canada.

Yeah, there’s no denying that he was. Schultz is acting a little childish about “Will he be the first U.S president born in Canada” but what Ed is doing is nothing compared to what Republican politicians actually have done in regards to Obama. And frankly if Glenn didn’t have his head so far up his ass, he’d know that it’s Donald Trump more than anyone who is pushing the Cruz birther nonsense. The Democrats are mostly bemused at the irony that Cruz birth situation wise is everything the birthers have said Obama was.

400 b.d.  Mar 23, 2015 7:10:16pm

Of course Glenn omits this guy’s other Tweet.

401 Dark_Falcon  Mar 23, 2015 7:10:31pm

re: #387 Decatur Deb

I’ll ride the ‘Canadian’ shtick like a Kentucky mule—it isn’t aimed at an oppressed ethnic group. Birtherism has consequences.

“I don’t think he’s a pig fucker Canadian, I just want to hear him deny it.”

That part is fine, but the cartoon CL referenced was seriously over-the-line. It wasn’t just nasty, it was also stupid because to depict Ted Cruz as a monkey in the manner that it did (no details beyond that, because its gross) makes the person who drew it and those who pass it around look like assholes.

The Cruz cartoon is not nearly as bad as some anti-Obama things we’ve seen, but its bad enough to cross the line from satire into ugly invective.

402 Charles Johnson  Mar 23, 2015 7:10:41pm
403 goddamnedfrank  Mar 23, 2015 7:11:01pm

re: #394 Decatur Deb

There is no chance Cruz would get the nomination. It isn’t about Cruz, it’s about 7 years of insane birther mofos who went unanswered by the TPGOP.

I fuckin’ love the birthers right now. I’m all like, “how can I help you fuckers be more birthy?”

404 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 7:11:05pm

re: #369 CuriousLurker

IMO, Referring to Cruz as “Cuban-Canadian immigrant Rafael Cruz” falls within the “a little pushback” category since all of it is true (just as POTUS’ name really is Barack Hussein Obama), however that cartoon I posted about was wayyy out of line and thoroughly disgusting. Again, it’s just my opinion.

This is how I feel too. I mean I know it comes off a little crass but goddamn it, they deserve a little of it.

405 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 23, 2015 7:11:09pm

re: #396 HappyWarrior

Ted Cruz being Canadian born may be the last thing that bothers me about Ted Cruz. I am a little confused about how he’s eligible though.

basically, if onna your parents is a really and truly american, it doesn’t matter where you’re born or what country the other parent is a citizen of - you’re an american

406 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 7:12:01pm

re: #402 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Yeah the Jesse Helms praise wasn’t damaging to you. Makes sense Chuck, you’re a racist piece of shit too.

407 Decatur Deb  Mar 23, 2015 7:12:04pm

re: #401 Dark_Falcon

That part is fine, but the cartoon CL referenced was seriously over-the-line. It wasn’t just nasty, it was also stupid because to depict Ted Cruz as a monkey in the manner that it did (no details beyond that, because its gross) makes the person who drew it and those who pass it around look like assholes.

The Cruz cartoon is not nearly as bad as some anti-Obama things we’ve seen, but its bad enough to cross the line from satire into ugly invective.

That’s what I told CL—‘We are not them’.

408 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 23, 2015 7:12:36pm

re: #372 Skip Intro

Stop me if you’ve heard this one.

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More Joe McCarthy than Dick Nixon

409 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 7:13:43pm

re: #405 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

basically, if onna your parents is a really and truly american, it doesn’t matter where you’re born or what country the other parent is a citizen of - you’re an american

That’s what I figured and why I thought the Obama being born in Kenya stuff was nonsensical since via his mother, he would be a natural US born citizen regardless of situation unless one of these lunatics wants to argue that Ann Dunham wasn’t President Obama’s mother which is something that I think even the most insane of them won’t deny.

410 CuriousLurker  Mar 23, 2015 7:14:02pm

re: #387 Decatur Deb

I’ll ride the ‘Canadian’ shtick like a Kentucky mule—it isn’t aimed at an oppressed ethnic group. Birtherism has consequences.

“I don’t think he’s a pig fucker Canadian, I just want to hear him deny it.”

This. In no manner, shape, or form did I indicate that I think he’s not eligible to run for president.

411 The Mother Of All Pies  Mar 23, 2015 7:14:12pm

I just checked the timeline of @pudingtane who is one of the most insane Birthers on Twitter.

At least she is consistent, claiming that Cruz is not eligible.

412 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 7:14:31pm

re: #407 Decatur Deb

That’s what I told CL—‘We are not them’.

To be fair, CL did call out that cartoon as such. What she’s talking about is a little push back on the Barack Hussein Obama crap which I completely empathize with her on.

413 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 7:16:37pm

I mean it’s one thing to post a racial cartoon. It’s another to mockingly refer to the guy as Rafael Cruz of Alberta Province which I think is a little tongue in cheek pushback after years of Barack Hussein Obama. Is it in the best taste? Yeah we can probably argue that but sometimes you need to push back on shit even if it’s a little childish. I think the birthers need to be told how silly they’ve been about Obama and bringing up Cruz’s own origin is the best way to do that.

414 TedStriker  Mar 23, 2015 7:16:44pm

re: #370 jaunte

Ted bursts out front in the running for the coveted Niedermeyer Cup.

Shot by his own men…

415 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 23, 2015 7:17:14pm

re: #401 Dark_Falcon

Agreed with what you’re saying. It was a nasty bit that didn’t have even the Euro-satire of some of Charlies cartoons to save it. That said, I’m hardcore in with DD on mindf*cking Cruz as much as possible with every birther meme possible.

416 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 7:17:36pm

re: #414 TedStriker

Shot by his own men…

Nah Ted’s more like a Marmamand type. Niedermeyer at least went to Nam.

417 Belafon  Mar 23, 2015 7:18:01pm

re: #409 HappyWarrior

That’s what I figured and why I thought the Obama being born in Kenya stuff was nonsensical since via his mother, he would be a natural US born citizen regardless of situation unless one of these lunatics wants to argue that Ann Dunham wasn’t President Obama’s mother which is something that I think even the most insane of them won’t deny.

What they will argue with a straight face is that the rules weren’t clear on whether your mother could be the American parent or if your dad is required, but then argue that it’s OK for Cruz.

418 A Cranky One  Mar 23, 2015 7:18:14pm

re: #414 TedStriker

Shot by his own men…

I was gonna reply, but was trying to find my toga first. Drat.

419 Decatur Deb  Mar 23, 2015 7:18:38pm

re: #412 HappyWarrior

To be fair, CL did call out that cartoon as such. What she’s talking about is a little push back on the Barack Hussein Obama crap which I completely empathize with her on.

Yes, but not to the point of “Rafael”, or “Pyush” for Jindal. The Dems will be the first to mount a serious push for a Latino Obama.

I hope Cruz hangs in there well into the GOP primary debates, for the damage and dissonance he’ll bring.

420 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 7:19:37pm

re: #417 Belafon

What they will argue with a straight face is that the rules weren’t clear on whether your mother could be the American parent or if your dad is required, but then argue that it’s OK for Cruz.

I think I recall Geller or Orly Taitz trying to claim that because his parents were unwed that made him ineligible. Just a laugh riot. Honestly, if I had it my way, we’d do away with the born citizen requirement. We allow people who become naturalized citizens to serve in the Cabinet, the Supreme Court, and Congress. I see nothing wrong with allowing a naturalized citizen being able to be President.

421 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 7:20:59pm

re: #419 Decatur Deb

Yes, but not to the point of “Rafaele”, or “Pyush” for Jindal. The Dems will be the first to mount a serious push for a Latino Obama.

I hope Cruz hangs in there well into the GOP primary debates, for the damage and dissonance he’ll bring.

Fair enough. I do think pointing out that Cruz was actually born abroad is absolutely fair game given that they have acted like Obama was born in Kenya for years made him ineligible and lo and behold their superstar was actually born in Alberta. I hear you on the name though.

422 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 7:21:38pm

re: #411 The Mother Of All Pies

I just checked the timeline of @pudingtane who is one of the most insane Birthers on Twitter.

At least she is consistent, claiming that Cruz is not eligible.

Trump has been too. I’m actually surprised.

423 b.d.  Mar 23, 2015 7:23:21pm

re: #417 Belafon

What they will argue with a straight face is that the rules weren’t clear on whether your mother could be the American parent or if your dad is required, but then argue that it’s OK for Cruz.

OBAMA’S MOM WAS 17 WHEN SHE HAD OBAMA AND YOU HAVE TO BE 18 TO BE CONSIDERED A CITIZEN FOR THE NATURAL BORN CITIZEN CLAUSE

For reals, that is the card some of them are playing.

424 makeitstop  Mar 23, 2015 7:23:22pm

I’m glad Trump did what he did. Now Ted Cruz can slowly and in great detail explain to his base that Birtherism makes them sound like escaped mental patients.

425 goddamnedfrank  Mar 23, 2015 7:23:24pm
426 Decatur Deb  Mar 23, 2015 7:25:16pm

re: #422 HappyWarrior

Trump has been too. I’m actually surprised.

Freep has run several counter-birther threads today, with several hundred comments. Shorter Freep: “If you mention Canada or Molson’s, you’re a DU infiltrator.”

427 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 7:25:51pm

re: #423 b.d.

OBAMA’S MOM WAS 17 WHEN SHE HAD OBAMA AND YOU HAVE TO BE 18 TO BE CONSIDERED A CITIZEN FOR THE NATURAL BORN CITIZEN CLAUSE

For reals, that is the card some of them are playing.

Well if they try to argue that, they’re still wrong since Ann Dunham was 18. Speaking of Obama’s mother, one of the proudest I was of him was when he was a candidate when Bristol Palin’s pregnancy was publicized. He pointed out that he too was the child of a teen mother. And I guess that genuine gesture of empathy to the Palin family is why I find Sarah’s grudge hatred directed at him and his entire family so pathetic. She doesn’t know how to disagree without being nasty and it’s something that her older children have sadly inherited from their mother.

428 goddamnedfrank  Mar 23, 2015 7:26:17pm

Fly my pretties, make it a thing!

429 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 7:27:54pm

re: #426 Decatur Deb

Freep has run several counter-birther threads today, with several hundred comments. Shorter Freep: “If you mention Canada or Molson’s, you’re a DU infiltrator.”

A revolution devouring its own children again. Honestly, I could care less where the guy is from. As I said, I’m someone who wants to waive the natural born citizen requirement even but as a fan of dark comedy, I do love the Wingnut flavor du jour having the same questions about his legitimacy that they made about Obama but I have much bigger problems with Cruz as a candidate. The page we are on about for instance is something that bothers me much more than the fact that his American born mother happened to be in Canada at the time of his birth.

430 CuriousLurker  Mar 23, 2015 7:29:39pm

re: #419 Decatur Deb

Yes, but not to the point of “Rafaele”, or “Pyush” for Jindal. The Dems will be the first to mount a serious push for a Latino Obama.

Why, if those are their legal names?

To be honest, one of the reasons it bothers me is because using “Ted” or “Bobby” gives me the impression that they’re ashamed of their ethnicity. POTUS never tried to run away from his ethnic heritage. Marco Rubio didn’t suddenly start calling himself “Mark”. It’s a pet peeve with me.

I hope Cruz hangs in there well into the GOP primary debates, for the damage and dissonance he’ll bring.

It’s gonna be a l-o-n-g campaign season.

431 Dark_Falcon  Mar 23, 2015 7:30:06pm

re: #423 b.d.

OBAMA’S MOM WAS 17 WHEN SHE HAD OBAMA AND YOU HAVE TO BE 18 TO BE CONSIDERED A CITIZEN FOR THE NATURAL BORN CITIZEN CLAUSE

For reals, that is the card some of them are playing.

That’s baloney and they’re grasping at straws.

The fact that Ted Cruz was born in Canada caused some on the left to beclown themselves now that he is officially running for president. Not to be left out, the birthers just drove up in their own clown car. The Birther Clown Car is a hybrid, powered by brain farts.

432 b.d.  Mar 23, 2015 7:30:32pm

re: #427 HappyWarrior

Well if they try to argue that, they’re still wrong since Ann Dunham was 18. Speaking of Obama’s mother, one of the proudest I was of him was when he was a candidate when Bristol Palin’s pregnancy was publicized. He pointed out that he too was the child of a teen mother. And I guess that genuine gesture of empathy to the Palin family is why I find Sarah’s grudge hatred directed at him and his entire family so pathetic. She doesn’t know how to disagree without being nasty and it’s something that her older children have sadly inherited from their mother.

I stand corrected, this is what the baggers care citing:

….citizenship “at birth” of one born outside of the United States to only one citizen-parent, that such citizen parent have resided in the United States for not less than ten years, at least five of which were after the age of fourteen (8 U.S.C. §1401(a)(7)) (1958 ed.) We all know Mr. Obama’s mother didn’t met this requirement.

One of the many screaming freeper threads over his eligibility

freerepublic.com

433 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 23, 2015 7:32:23pm

re: #421 HappyWarrior

Fair enough. I do think pointing out that Cruz was actually born abroad is absolutely fair game given that they have acted like Obama was born in Kenya for years made him ineligible and lone behold their superstar was actually born in Alberta. I hear you on the name though.

um ‘lo and behold’

[ /pedant off ]

434 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 7:33:12pm

re: #433 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

um ‘lo and behold’

[ /pedant off ]

Nazi.// But thanks.

435 gwangung  Mar 23, 2015 7:33:49pm

re: #431 Dark_Falcon

That’s baloney and they’re grasping at straws.

The fact that Ted Cruz was born in Canada caused some on the left to beclown themselves now that he is officially running for president. Not to be left out, the birthers just drove up in their own clown car. The Birther Clown Car is a hybrid, powered by brain farts.

Oh, please, don’t be so humor impaired.

436 Dark_Falcon  Mar 23, 2015 7:34:09pm

re: #430 CuriousLurker

Why, if those are their legal names?

To be honest, one of the reasons it bothers me is because using “Ted” or “Bobby” gives me the impression that they’re ashamed of their ethnicity. POTUS never tried to run away from his ethnic heritage. Marco Rubio didn’t suddenly start calling himself “Mark”. It’s a pet peeve with me.

It’s gonna be a l-o-n-g campaign season.

Some of the difference is that Rubio does not only court white voters and so seeks to present himself differently. In my mind, this is not just a political calculation but also stems from the fact that Marco Rubio is genuinely proud of his Cuban heritage. But it cannot be denied that his courting Cuban-American, Dominican-American, and Puerto Rican voters made presenting himself as ‘Marco’ far more viable.

437 Joe Bacon  Mar 23, 2015 7:34:24pm

re: #308 Charles Johnson</re: #308 Charles Johnson

I got a feeling that Ginger Snapped is going after Huckabee. He’ll throw Wayne Dumond at ol’ Huck Sinn!

438 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 7:37:18pm

re: #431 Dark_Falcon

That’s baloney and they’re grasping at straws.

The fact that Ted Cruz was born in Canada caused some on the left to beclown themselves now that he is officially running for president. Not to be left out, the birthers just drove up in their own clown car. The Birther Clown Car is a hybrid, powered by brain farts.

We’re amused by the fact that your party’s flavor of the month actually was born abroad. I don’t think it makes him ineligible and hell I want to do away with the requirement honestly so we don’t have these confusions in the future and I think it’s unfair to children like many of my own ancestors who came to this country at young age who were but except in the place of their birth American for all cases and purposes. I don’t think it’s legitimate that my great grandfather who was born in Germany would be ineligible to run for president but his sister who was born here would be. And as I said, Cruz being Canadian born is really the least of his problem. Wishing the Senate had 100 of one of the worst racists ever to walk that body in modern times though, that’s a biggie and that would be a biggie if he were born on the moon.

439 Dark_Falcon  Mar 23, 2015 7:37:55pm

re: #435 gwangung

Oh, please, don’t be so humor impaired.

If you don’t like my joke, fine. But to say that some on the left haven’t made themselves look silly is just not true. Most of the ‘pushback’ has been well within the lines, but some of it hasn’t been. So my point is justified.

440 CuriousLurker  Mar 23, 2015 7:38:28pm

re: #437 Joe Bacon

re: #308 Charles Johnson

I got a feeling that Ginger Snapped is going after Huckabee. He’ll throw Wayne Dumond at ol’ Huck Sinn!

I like that even better than UpChuck—reminds me of The Gingerdead Man.

LOL *snort*

441 Dark_Falcon  Mar 23, 2015 7:39:53pm

Just to repeat, here’s where CL links to the cartoon that I feel beclowns people who pass it around as their way of going after Ted Cruz:

re: #355 CuriousLurker

Oh, but that was mild. It’s early and it’s already getting WAY worse. I just blocked three Dems—the original tweeter and the two who RTed it—because I’m not going to tolerate this in my timeline. (Click at your own risk.)

442 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 7:40:18pm

I think to be fair to those on the left, I think a lot are confused because it had been my understanding that you had to be born in the US or born on US property i.e. the military base where McCain was born or how Goldwater was born in Arizona when it was a US territory.

443 goddamnedfrank  Mar 23, 2015 7:41:09pm

At least McCain was nominally born on US soil.

444 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 7:41:16pm

re: #441 Dark_Falcon

Just to repeat, here’s where CL links to the cartoon that I feel beclowns people who pass it around as their way of going after Ted Cruz:

Fair enough. That’s one assclown though. I’ll be upset at the left when Democratic officeholders actually start pulling the shit Republican ones have about Obama’s citizenship.

445 gwangung  Mar 23, 2015 7:41:37pm

re: #439 Dark_Falcon

If you don’t like my joke, fine. But to say that some on the left haven’t made themselves look silly is just not true. Most of the ‘pushback’ has been well within the lines, but some of it hasn’t been. So my point is justified.

Not for those with a sense of humor. We just see someone who tries to dish it out but can’t take it.

(ETA: And nut picking? PLEASE. Come back when it’s a common strand among the liberal mainstream. Picking up on the outliers makes it seem you’re being overly sensitive and PC).

446 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 7:42:27pm

Ted Cruz loves hockey more than baseball.//

447 Kragar  Mar 23, 2015 7:42:42pm

re: #431 Dark_Falcon

…

448 CuriousLurker  Mar 23, 2015 7:43:18pm

It’s getting late—I’m out. G’nite, lizards.

449 A Cranky One  Mar 23, 2015 7:43:28pm

re: #440 CuriousLurker

I like that even better than UpChuck—reminds me of The Gingerdead Man.

LOL *snort*

Always have Ginger Snapped in moderation. Side effects of Ginger Snapped include: uncontrolled laughter, headache, nausea, and the occasional upchuck.

450 Belafon  Mar 23, 2015 7:43:57pm

re: #441 Dark_Falcon

Personally, as a Texan, I thought that was a very apt description of Cruz: Throwing his shit around like a monkey, hoping to hit as many as possible.

451 Belafon  Mar 23, 2015 7:45:05pm

BTW, before today’s Google doodle goes away, make sure you know who Emmy Noether is.

452 Decatur Deb  Mar 23, 2015 7:47:34pm

re: #442 HappyWarrior

I think to be fair to those on the left, I think a lot are confused because it had been my understanding that you had to be born in the US or born on US property i.e. the military base where McCain was born or how Goldwater was born in Arizona when it was a US territory.

it’s a matter for the courts and even (it seems) legislative action, as in the case of McCain. (He was not actually born on base—that’s what made a legislative resolution necessary.) Except for the last-ditch birther types, a reasonable consensus can be reached.

In the meanwhile, I’m enjoying skinnydipping in RW hypocrisy. It’s a failing—I’ll confess to the commie pope if I ever run into him.

453 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 7:50:18pm

re: #452 Decatur Deb

it’s a matter for the courts and even (it seems) legislative action, as in the case of McCain. (He was not actually born on base—that’s what made a legislative resolution necessary.) Except for the last-ditch birther types, a reasonable consensus can be reached.

In the meanwhile, I’m enjoying skinnydipping in RW hypocrisy. It’s a failing—I’ll confess to the commie pope if I ever run into him.

Right, I’m just saying, I can easily see why people are confused a little. If I recall, Obama pushed that legislative resolution and that brings to part of why I despise the birthers aside from their blatant bigotry but they claimed he did the resolution to “distract” from questions of his own birth. IF I recall the resolution guarantees that children born to US servicemen and women abroad he viewed as natural born citizens regardless of where they are born. Was not aware McCain was not born on base.

454 Eventual Carrion  Mar 23, 2015 7:50:51pm

re: #351 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i would rather cam modestly than cam a lot

I take moderation to the max!

455 Jenner7  Mar 23, 2015 7:55:31pm

Cruz was asked on Hannity how he can get the independent vote. His answer: Reagan Democrats. Then told a story about a Democrat who said she’s voting for him because Obamacare raised her premiums.

Riiiiiight.

456 jaunte  Mar 23, 2015 7:56:36pm

re: #455 Jenner7

Maybe she was a Democrat in 1960.

457 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 7:58:42pm

re: #455 Jenner7

Cruz was asked on Hannity how he can get the independent vote. His answer: Reagan Democrats. Then told a story about a Democrat who said she’s voting for him because Obamacare raised her premiums.

Riiiiiight.

There’s also a lot less Reagan Democrats now than there was in 1980 and 1984. If that’s seriously his “strategy”, he’s fucked. And the Reagan Democrats responded well to Ronnie since he actually could display a sunny disposition. Ted on the other hand scares three year olds.

458 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 8:01:16pm

re: #456 jaunte

Maybe she was a Democrat in 1960.

I can buy him finding one self described Democrat that said they’d vote for him but if he seriously thinks banking on the old Reagan Democrats will get him ticket him to the WH then I got a bridge from here to Alberta to sell him because that’s just not happening. Put it this way. The youngest possible Reagan voter will be turning 50 the year of the election. 50. Ted himself could never have voted for Reagan and hell just made the cut for the year H.W ran against Dukakis.

459 Jenner7  Mar 23, 2015 8:02:33pm

The only reason for the left to bring up Cruz’s eligibility is to show how hypocritical Republicans are. Any other reason, they need to stop.

460 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 8:03:11pm

Shit he can’t even get the youth crowd excited at a friendly environment like Liberty. I mean there were certainly some cheers but from what I saw from the students comments on the app, most of them didn’t seem to enjoy it and Liberty frankly is as friendly as Ted is going to find young people to his message. He won’t find it at liberal arts, technical colleges, etc.

461 makeitstop  Mar 23, 2015 8:03:54pm

re: #455 Jenner7

Cruz was asked on Hannity how he can get the independent vote. His answer: Reagan Democrats. Then told a story about a Democrat who said she’s voting for him because Obamacare raised her premiums.

Riiiiiight.

I’d wager a large percentage of Reagan Democrats are no longer with us.

462 Belafon  Mar 23, 2015 8:04:23pm

re: #459 Jenner7

The only reason for the left to bring up Cruz’s eligibility is to show how hypocritical Republicans are. Any other reason, they need to stop.

I would be surprised if any Democrat actually questions his eligibility. But you are allowed to push any Republican to the point they get huffy.

463 Dark_Falcon  Mar 23, 2015 8:05:15pm

re: #458 HappyWarrior

I can buy him finding one self described Democrat that said they’d vote for him but if he seriously thinks banking on the old Reagan Democrats will get him ticket him to the WH then I got a bridge from here to Alberta to sell him because that’s just not happening. Put it this way. The youngest possible Reagan voter will be turning 50 the year of the election. 50. Ted himself could never have voted for Reagan and hell just made the cut for the year H.W ran against Dukakis.

Not to mention the fact that Ted Cruz only knows of REAGAN!!1. He’d regard the real Ronald W. Reagan as someone who capitulated to the left for foreswearing any effort to repeal Social Security or Medicare, and who kowtowed to the Soviet Union by signing the IRBM treaty instead of screaming defiance at Moscow.

Ted Cruz would think the real Reagan a RINO.

464 Kragar  Mar 23, 2015 8:07:01pm

re: #460 HappyWarrior

Shit he can’t even get the youth crowd excited at a friendly environment like Liberty. I mean there were certainly some cheers but from what I saw from the students comments on the app, most of them didn’t seem to enjoy it and Liberty frankly is as friendly as Ted is going to find young people to his message. He won’t find it at liberal arts, technical colleges, etc.

The only way Ted Cruz can fire up a crowd is with a gallon of diesel and a box of matches.

465 Decatur Deb  Mar 23, 2015 8:07:01pm

re: #453 HappyWarrior

…snip Was not aware McCain was not born on base.

Checking it myself. He was either born in a tiny USN ‘Family’ hospital, or in the Colon city hospital. It’s been argued from both directions, but was rendered immaterial by the resolution.

thehuffingtonriposte.blogspot.com

voices.washingtonpost.com

466 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 8:07:53pm

re: #465 Decatur Deb

Checking it myself. He was either born in a tiny USN ‘Family’ hospital, or in the Colon city hospital. It’s been argued from both directions, but was rendered immaterial by the resolution.

thehuffingtonriposte.blogspot.com

voices.washingtonpost.com

Ahh gotcha.

467 Belafon  Mar 23, 2015 8:09:34pm

re: #465 Decatur Deb

Checking it myself. He was either born in a tiny USN ‘Family’ hospital, or in the Colon city hospital. It’s been argued from both directions, but was rendered immaterial by the resolution.

thehuffingtonriposte.blogspot.com

voices.washingtonpost.com

The only reason I even brought up McCain’s status to people back in 2008 was to point out the hypocrisy of conservatives. Obama WAS born on American soil. If they’re going to accept McCain’s status, then there’s only one reason they won’t accept Obama’s: That he got too much sun in Hawaii.

468 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 8:11:18pm

re: #463 Dark_Falcon

Not to mention the fact that Ted Cruz only knows of REAGAN!!1. He’d regard the real Ronald W. Reagan as someone who capitulated to the left for foreswearing any effort to repeal Social Security or Medicare, and who kowtowed to the Soviet Union by signing the IRBM treaty instead of screaming defiance at Moscow.

Ted Cruz would think the real Reagan a RINO.

To be fair, I could say that about each and every one of them. Reagan is an ideal not the reality to many of them even those who were older during Reagan’s presidency. The thing is though, the Reagan Democrats for one pretty much stopped voting GOP heavily after Reagan left. There’s a reason why W Bush is the only candidate not in Reagan’s direct coattails is the only GOPer to get over 50% of the popular vote since 1988 and even Dole, McCain, and Romney know more about getting crossover vote more than Ted Cruz does. And as I said, he’s eliminating all voters under the age of 50 as potential crossovers when he says the Reagan Dems. not a smart tactic. Doesn’t surprise me since he offers nothing to people of my generation.

469 Dark_Falcon  Mar 23, 2015 8:12:19pm

re: #467 Belafon

Though to clear, John McCain consistently repudiated the birther meme, and would not let any aspect of his campaign use it.

470 Charles Johnson  Mar 23, 2015 8:14:17pm
471 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 8:14:45pm

Fact is though Cruz and I say this as a strong critic of both Ronald Reagan the candidate and man. Reagan could portray a sunny disposition. Ted OTOH has video of him scaring a three year old. Reagan could work across the aisle and with even avowed enemies of the US. Ted? I can’t recall a single instance of him working with a Democrat in the Senate. And finally you could see why people found Reagan likable. The guy could laugh at himself- “I won’t make my opponent’s youth and inexperience an issue.” Cruz wants to be the Reagan that was a fringe lunatic in the 60’s and couldn’t beat Nixon and Ford. But even that Reagan had more complexity than Ted since that Reagan had signed a liberalized abortion law.

472 HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2015 8:19:10pm

re: #470 Charles Johnson

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He sounds swell.

473 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 23, 2015 8:22:27pm

re: #463 Dark_Falcon

It’s always interesting to see how you can understand the fallacy of Zombie Reagan while still falling for too many of the right wings memes.

Can I simply suggest that you consider the whole “what would Jesus do?” shtick? Despite the usual idiocy attached to it, it might help you understand why you have such diametrically opposed knee-jerks. One moment you understand simple reality, economics and what hard working people need but then the next you’re pandering to the worst elements of the GOP.

DF, you are a good man. You’ve shown that here. Live up to what you know is His way of living. Do the works you know you should.

474 #FergusonFireside  Mar 23, 2015 8:22:49pm

re: #470 Charles Johnson

maybbe

Oops, edit, there was a y.

475 Timothy Watson  Mar 23, 2015 8:26:34pm

re: #463 Dark_Falcon

Not to mention the fact that Ted Cruz only knows of REAGAN!!1. He’d regard the real Ronald W. Reagan as someone who capitulated to the left for foreswearing any effort to repeal Social Security or Medicare, and who kowtowed to the Soviet Union by signing the IRBM treaty instead of screaming defiance at Moscow.

Ted Cruz would think the real Reagan a RINO.

Don’t forgot the whole treason thing (selling weapons to terrorists) and backing down to Islamic/Arab terrorism and the Soviets every time Americans were killed.

476 goddamnedfrank  Mar 23, 2015 8:28:52pm

re: #462 Belafon

I would be surprised if any Democrat actually questions his eligibility. But you are allowed to push any Republican to the point they get huffy.

You’d have a hard time selling me on the idea that the Framers of the Constitution worded things the way they did so as to allow someone born in a British Commonwealth nation (of all places) to become President.

I don’t talk about this much because it’s little more than legalistic pedantry and I don’t really give a shit about what the Framers thought or “original meaning textualism” in general. But there there have it, strictly speaking I think he’s in somewhat of a gray area at best.

477 Nyet  Mar 23, 2015 11:03:39pm

re: #409 HappyWarrior

That’s what I figured and why I thought the Obama being born in Kenya stuff was nonsensical since via his mother, he would be a natural US born citizen regardless of situation unless one of these lunatics wants to argue that Ann Dunham wasn’t President Obama’s mother which is something that I think even the most insane of them won’t deny.

Being born to an NBC mother is not a sufficient condition. It only is taken together with the other criteria.

web.archive.org

Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock

A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child’s birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.) The U.S. citizen parent must be genetically related to the child to transmit U.S. citizenship.

Question: would his mother fulfill this condition? IIRC she wouldn’t because she was 18 when BO was born, whereas she would have to be 14 + 5 = 19 acc. to this requirement.

(There might have still been an out for that situation, because her ostensible husband was a bigamist, and so it can be argued that their marriage wasn’t legitimate in the first place and Obama was born out of wedlock. In this case the requirements were more lax, see the above link. But the point stands: a mother being an NBC is not a sufficient condition by itself.)

478 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Mar 24, 2015 4:41:34am

re: #59 darthstar

Liberty Univ. Motto:

“It’s not Fascism because Jesus.”

479 leftynyc  Mar 25, 2015 5:34:50am

re: #477 Nyet

But you do realize this is all just conjecture as that situation is only for children born OUTSIDE the US. Pres Obama was born in HI.


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