Charles Barkley Urges Final Four and Super Bowl To Stay Out of Indiana

Calls for NCAA events not to be held in Indiana
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At Sports Illustrated tonight: NCAA Tournament Analyst Charles Barkley Denounces Indiana Law.

NCAA tournament analyst Charles Barkley released a statement Friday calling for big events such as the Final Four and the Super Bowl not to be held in Indiana in light of recent legislation in the state that many view as discriminatory against gay, lesbian and transgendered people.

“Discrimination in any form is unacceptable to me,” Barkley said in the statement.

“As long as anti-gay legislation exists in any state, I strongly believe big events such as the Final Four and Super Bowl should not be held in those states’ cities.”

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405 comments

1 b.d.  Mar 27, 2015 7:33:21pm

Thank you Sir Charles.

2 b.d.  Mar 27, 2015 7:40:23pm

Getting grief from the NCAA from the basketball angle might be the most powerful piece of pressure to be applied to the state since Manning left. I forget who said it but the saying was piss any reporter off you want to but don’t piss off a sports reporter because they will not let go of a story or cause.

3 HappyWarrior  Mar 27, 2015 7:41:42pm

One thing about Charles is he speaks his mind. I agree with every word Barkley said.

4 Unabogie  Mar 27, 2015 7:42:29pm

Mike Pence has always been an idiot, but he signed this dog of a law and then admitted he didn’t even have a good reason for it. Now he’s hurting his already down state over what? Over the need to hurt gay people for being who they are?

What the hell is wrong with these people?

5 HappyWarrior  Mar 27, 2015 7:45:03pm

re: #4 Unabogie

Mike Pence has always been an idiot, but he signed this dog of a law and then admitted he didn’t even have a good reason for it. Now he’s hurting his already down state over what? Over the need to hurt gay people for being who they are?

What the hell is wrong with these people?

They care more about hurting gay people than anything else. It’s really pathetic but it’s what people like Pence are. I really hope businesses see these kind of legislation as proof that the GOP is not good for business.

6 prairiefire  Mar 27, 2015 7:46:26pm

Finally, his intelligence comes through.

7 Unabogie  Mar 27, 2015 7:48:21pm

re: #5 HappyWarrior

They care more about hurting gay people than anything else. It’s really pathetic but it’s what people like Pence are. I really hope businesses see these kind of legislation as proof that the GOP is not good for business.

The GOP has never been good for business so much as they’ve been good for people who are already rich. A well paid, well educated populace who feel secure in the social safety net is far better for a small business than a tax cut for billionaires. Look at the economic records of the last three GOP presidents. Not impressive.

8 HappyWarrior  Mar 27, 2015 7:50:13pm

re: #7 Unabogie

The GOP has never been good for business so much as they’ve been good for people who are already rich. A well paid, well educated populace who feel secure in the social safety net is far better for a small business than a tax cut for billionaires. Look at the economic records of the last three GOP presidents. Not impressive.

Absolutely but what I mean is I hope this is finally what gets get businesses to see this.

9 b.d.  Mar 27, 2015 7:54:16pm

From Downstairs and the ever wonderful teleskiguy:

re: #139 teleskiguy

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Dumbass wingnuts think they are so clever and too cute by half when they are really just a bunch of shallow hateful dullards.

10 HappyWarrior  Mar 27, 2015 7:55:01pm

re: #9 b.d.

From Downstairs and the ever wonderful teleskiguy:

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Dumbass wingnuts think they are so clever and too cute by half when they are really just a bunch of shallow dullards.

Saw that. This is as good when the Satanists trolled Oklahoma.

11 b.d.  Mar 27, 2015 8:00:18pm
Christian Group Is Ready To Boycott Indiana If Governor Signs ‘Religious Liberty’ Bill

thinkprogress.org

Wednesday, the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) — or “DoC” denomination, which claims around 659,000 members in North America and has been headquartered in Indianapolis for almost 100 years — sent a letter to Pence asking him to reconsider. The group threatened to relocate its general conference, which is scheduled to bring around 6,000 people to Indianapolis in 2017, if the state-level RFRA is approved.

12 HappyWarrior  Mar 27, 2015 8:02:00pm

re: #11 b.d.

thinkprogress.org

I love this.

13 goddamnedfrank  Mar 27, 2015 8:04:43pm

This was Pence’s signing ceremony for the Religious Freedom Act:

I’m … fuck … I … no words.

14 b.d.  Mar 27, 2015 8:04:57pm

re: #12 HappyWarrior

I love this.

DoC rocks. TCU is affiliated with DoC and you always have to tell people around this part of the world that the Christian in Texas Christian University doesn’t mean the horrible things that you think it does.

DoC is cool

15 Aye Pod  Mar 27, 2015 8:05:56pm

Germanwings co-pilot Andreas Lubitz ‘wanted to make everyone remember him’

According to the German newspaper Bild, a former girlfriend of Lubitz, identified only as Mary W, said he had told her last year: “One day I will do something that will change the whole system, and then all will know my name and remember it.”

16 HappyWarrior  Mar 27, 2015 8:08:43pm

re: #14 b.d.

DoC rocks. TCU is affiliated with DoC and you always have to tell people around this part of the world that the Christian in Texas Christian University doesn’t mean the horrible things that you think it does.

DoC is cool

Good. Not familiar with them. It really is nice to see a large Christian denomination calling this out for what it is.

17 CuriousLurker  Mar 27, 2015 8:09:31pm

re: #13 goddamnedfrank

This was Pence’s signing ceremony for the Religious Freedom Act:

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I’m … fuck … I … no words.

Well, none of them appear to be Muslim, at least not as far as I can tell. I guess that’s something for me to be grateful for.

18 Aye Pod  Mar 27, 2015 8:10:35pm

re: #13 goddamnedfrank

This was Pence’s signing ceremony for the Religious Freedom Act:

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I’m … fuck … I … no words.

“Can you tell me what year this is? I’m trying to find my way back to the 21st century”.

19 CuriousLurker  Mar 27, 2015 8:12:05pm

re: #15 Aye Pod

Germanwings co-pilot Andreas Lubitz ‘wanted to make everyone remember him’

I guess he was successful in that. Mass murder of innocents isn’t something I’d want to be remembered for though. *smh*

20 Aye Pod  Mar 27, 2015 8:13:06pm

Respect to Rightwingconspirator btw who has both the top and bottom comments right now :D

21 stpaulbear  Mar 27, 2015 8:14:30pm

re: #16 HappyWarrior

Good. Not familiar with them. It really is nice to see a large Christian denomination calling this out for what it is.

It must really piss them off that their headquarters is in Indianapolis. Now their main offices are stuck in a state that encourages bigots. I wonder if they’ll pull up stakes and move if this law stands?

22 b.d.  Mar 27, 2015 8:15:04pm

re: #15 Aye Pod

Germanwings co-pilot Andreas Lubitz ‘wanted to make everyone remember him’

He needs to be as famous as the guy who assassinated President McKinley because he wanted to make sure that his name lived throughout history and no one would ever forget his name.

F*ck that evil guy who I will never name.

23 HappyWarrior  Mar 27, 2015 8:17:36pm

re: #21 stpaulbear

It must really piss them off that their headquarters is in Indianapolis. Now their main offices are stuck in a state that encourages bigots. I wonder if they’ll pull up stakes and move if this law stands?

Let’s hope so. Pence needs to see consequences of the bill he signed.

24 teleskiguy  Mar 27, 2015 8:19:04pm

re: #9 b.d.

You’re too kind, b.d.

;-)

25 CuriousLurker  Mar 27, 2015 8:20:04pm

re: #13 goddamnedfrank

This was Pence’s signing ceremony for the Religious Freedom Act:

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I’m … fuck … I … no words.

I’ve gotta admit that the nuns in their habits threw me off for a sec. I was like, “Wut? What are all those hijabis doing there? Oh, they’re nuns—never mind.”

//

26 goddamnedfrank  Mar 27, 2015 8:21:21pm

The scariest thing about that Pence signing photo is that his desk clearly weighs the same as a duck and is therefore a cleverly disguised witch.

27 Belafon  Mar 27, 2015 8:22:15pm

Habits, hijabis, sharia, religious freedom. Sides of a coin.

28 De Kolta Chair  Mar 27, 2015 8:23:22pm

I’ve never been a fan of “Sir Charles,” but good on him and good on him as well for saying last night that my alma mater, the Arizona Wildcats, just might win this meshuggina NCAA tournament.

29 The Ghost of a Flea  Mar 27, 2015 8:24:35pm

re: #19 CuriousLurker

I guess he was successful in that. Mass murder of innocents isn’t something I’d want to be remembered for though. *smh*

The psychology of murder/suicide is different than that of suicide. It has very little to do with sadness and anxiety expressed as self-obliteration, and is more about anger and self-pity plus lack of empathy. Going out killing a bunch of other people is a (re-)assertion of power.

30 Aye Pod  Mar 27, 2015 8:24:46pm

re: #19 CuriousLurker

Exactly - what whole system has he changed and how is he going to be remembered? Not to joke, but I think the best he could hope for would be if they named the cockpit piss jugs that pilots might now have to use after him. It doesn’t make any sense.

31 b.d.  Mar 27, 2015 8:26:10pm

“We are especially concerned about how this legislation could affect our student-athletes and employees,” said the president of the N.C.A.A., Mark Emmert.

nytimes.com

Rule #1: Don’t p*ss off your cash cows.

32 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 27, 2015 8:27:14pm

Who attended bill signing? Pence’s office won’t say.

Who did Gov. Mike Pence invite to a private ceremony at his Statehouse office for the signing of a controversial “religious freedom” bill?

His office won’t say.

The event was closed to the public and the press. His staff even told a reporter to leave the governor’s office lobby/waiting area during the ceremony. And when asked for a list of attendees, they declined, promising a photograph would be posted on Pence’s Twitter account.

His office then declined to identify those in the photo.

The photo includes Pence sitting at his desk, surrounded by 18 others. The legislation’s primary sponsors - Sen. Scott Schneider, Sen. Dennis Kruse, and Rep. Tim Wesco - are pictured. So, too are several Franciscan monks, nuns, and orthodox Jews. One of the monks appears to be Fr. David Mary Engo of the Franciscan Brothers Minor in New Haven. He testified in favor of the bill during legislative hearings.

But according to people who attended, there were dozens of others present as well, perhaps as many as 80 total.

Imagine the wingnut screeching if Obama opted to sign a major bill in private and kicked a Fox News reporter out of a nearby lobby.

33 jaunte  Mar 27, 2015 8:27:48pm

re: #31 b.d.

Also our student-athlete-employees.

34 De Kolta Chair  Mar 27, 2015 8:29:02pm

re: #22 b.d.

He needs to be as famous as the guy who assassinated President McKinley because he wanted to make sure that his name lived throughout history and no one would ever forget his name.

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35 teleskiguy  Mar 27, 2015 8:29:38pm

When even Georgia Republicans are calling “religious freedom” a right to discriminate, you know what side is winning.

36 CuriousLurker  Mar 27, 2015 8:30:32pm

re: #27 Belafon

Habits, hijabis, sharia, religious freedom. Sides of a coin.

If they’d been hijabis, I’m pretty sure the wingnuts would be screaming that Pence was signing sharia into state law or something.

Hmm, maybe a bunch of women in hijab and bearded imams should’ve shown up to support the bill as that would’ve assured that the GOP base would’ve been vehemently against it.

37 b.d.  Mar 27, 2015 8:30:37pm

re: #34 De Kolta Chair

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**snort Robert Bialle Zinfandel out nose

38 The Ghost of a Flea  Mar 27, 2015 8:32:41pm

re: #30 Aye Pod

Exactly - what whole system has he changed and how is he going to be remembered? Not to joke, but I think the best he could hope for would be if they named the cockpit piss jugs that pilots might now have to use after him. It doesn’t make any sense.

Makes exactly as much sense as the guys that kill their whole family to “save” their family from the indignity of being disappointed in Dad.

39 Aye Pod  Mar 27, 2015 8:33:48pm

re: #29 The Ghost of Tonalite Gneiss

The psychology of murder/suicide is different than that of suicide. It has very little to do with sadness and anxiety expressed as self-obliteration, and is more about anger and self-pity plus lack of empathy. Going out killing a bunch of other people is a (re-)assertion of power.

Ice said to me earlier that it seems to be an exclusively male phenomenon - not that women don’t kill of course, just that they never seem to do that annihilator routine.

40 Jenner7  Mar 27, 2015 8:33:54pm
41 HappyWarrior  Mar 27, 2015 8:34:27pm

re: #35 teleskiguy

When even Georgia Republicans are calling “religious freedom” a right to discriminate, you know what side is winning.

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Props to Jacobs, the Republican legislator who exposed this for what it is. I totally expect him to be primaried as a result of “betraying” conservatism though.

42 De Kolta Chair  Mar 27, 2015 8:35:16pm

re: #35 teleskiguy

When even the Georgia Republicans are calling “religious freedom” a right to discriminate, you know what side is winning.

I always thought that line was even funnier because it was said by the most Irish looking character in the movie.

43 HappyWarrior  Mar 27, 2015 8:37:12pm

re: #42 De Kolta Chair

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I love that he (David Huddleston) ended up playing the Big Lebowski.

44 CuriousLurker  Mar 27, 2015 8:37:54pm

Ugh, gotta go finish my timesheets since they don’t appear to be filling out themselves. *sigh*

Later, lizards.

45 De Kolta Chair  Mar 27, 2015 8:38:10pm

re: #43 HappyWarrior

I love that he (David Huddleston) ended up playing the Big Lebowski.

Holy canoli, I never noticed that!

46 HappyWarrior  Mar 27, 2015 8:38:42pm

re: #45 De Kolta Chair

Holy canoli, I never noticed that!

Also the grandfather on the Wonder Years.

47 The Ghost of a Flea  Mar 27, 2015 8:41:52pm

re: #39 Aye Pod

Ice said to me earlier that it seems to be an exclusively male phenomenon - not that women don’t kill of course, just that they never seem to do that annihilator routine.

I can’t say it with 100% certainty, but it tends to be men. Since I tend to look at psych as cladistic rather than clean categories, I’d say there’s some overlap between family annihilation (predominantly men) and suicide with kids (predominantly female). I’d also wonder about woman in folie aux deux sprees that involve murder and/or conclude in suicide, like the Vegas Walmart shooting.

48 Aye Pod  Mar 27, 2015 8:41:54pm

From Guardian comments - would-be smug troll own goal of the day (the bold is mine):

Each and every comment related to this article has at least one spelling/grammatical/type error… I wonder if that goes someway to explain why this show, and Breaking Bad, are so often and so tediously overhyped.

There must be some kind of internet law in effect because this happens every time.

49 jaunte  Mar 27, 2015 8:44:05pm

“…”They (slave owners) weren’t terrible rotten horrible people,” Shepherd reportedly said. Shepherd added that they were simply people who made bad choices, before clarifying that “that’s how I see gay people.”

50 The Ghost of a Flea  Mar 27, 2015 8:45:19pm

re: #48 Aye Pod

From Guardian comments - would-be smug troll own goal of the day (the bold is mine):

There must be some kind of internet law in effect because this happens every time.

Kind of like how bold declarations of one’s IQ in an internet discussion is inevitably followed by taking a splattery wet shit on fact-checking and logic. And sometimes grammar, too.

51 HappyWarrior  Mar 27, 2015 8:46:21pm

re: #49 jaunte

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I saw that earlier on my facebook feed. What in the name of fucking fuck. Really Republicans, just stop using gay people as a scapegoat for your bullshit crusade about returning “things the way they used to be.” The good old days weren’t so great.

52 Dark_Falcon  Mar 27, 2015 8:47:44pm

re: #15 Aye Pod

Then he’s the same kind of shitbird as some spree killer who guns people down because he feels the world should notice. And I agree with b.d.:

re: #22 b.d.

He needs to be as famous as the guy who assassinated President McKinley because he wanted to make sure that his name lived throughout history and no one would ever forget his name.

F*ck that evil guy who I will never name.

53 Belafon  Mar 27, 2015 8:49:37pm

re: #48 Aye Pod

From Guardian comments - would-be smug troll own goal of the day (the bold is mine):

There must be some kind of internet law in effect because this happens every time.

It’s generally called “we’re human.” Everyone makes mistakes, and that’s why being smug about other peoples spelling, grammar, or even math mistakes is a bad idea. You can point out they are incorrect, but getting smug about it never works.

Except when going after Chuck C.

54 Dark_Falcon  Mar 27, 2015 8:54:14pm

re: #35 teleskiguy

When even Georgia Republicans are calling “religious freedom” a right to discriminate, you know what side is winning.

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Well, kudos to GOP State Rep. Mike Jacobs for passing the amendment that put the spike into Georgia’s so-called Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which was really a “Shun The Gays” law. Other REpublicans in Georgia may hate him right now, but he saved them at least for now from their own bad judgement.

55 Belafon  Mar 27, 2015 8:57:46pm

re: #51 HappyWarrior

I saw that earlier on my facebook feed. What in the name of fucking fuck. Really Republicans, just stop using gay people as a scapegoat for your bullshit crusade about returning “things the way they used to be.” The good old days weren’t so great.

Don’t we all long for the days when there was no air conditioning, all sorts of diseases or even certain injuries could kill you, and you pretty much accepted that a third if your children would die before they reached adulthood?

56 stpaulbear  Mar 27, 2015 8:58:15pm

re: #54 Dark_Falcon

He may also get booted out of his legislative seat because the republican base can’t allow such spiritual generosity.

57 RadicalModerate  Mar 27, 2015 8:59:45pm

I think it’s just a matter of time before one of the so-called religious freedom states decides that the “Sodomite Suppression Act” that got so much bad press in California is actually a good idea to them.

58 TedStriker  Mar 27, 2015 9:00:28pm

re: #43 HappyWarrior

I love that he (David Huddleston) ended up playing the Big Lebowski.

He, John Lithgow, and Dudley Moore were the three bright spots in the mess that was Santa Claus: The Movie.

59 De Kolta Chair  Mar 27, 2015 9:00:48pm
60 HappyWarrior  Mar 27, 2015 9:01:09pm

What always astounds me is the length right wingers will go to rationalize their hatred of gays. It’s not about homosexuality being “sfinful.” It’s about them not even seeing gay people as human beings and you see that when they attempt to equate gay people to demons, Nazis, or in this latest endeavor slave owners.

61 Dark_Falcon  Mar 27, 2015 9:01:41pm

re: #56 stpaulbear

He may also get booted out of his legislative seat because the republican base can’t allow such spiritual generosity.

He might, but he says he got a lot of concern from his constituents about the bill, so its likely that they’ll back his play. It’s also around a year till he faces a primary, so a good bit of any anger generated should dissipate by then.

And that’s it for me for tonight. I’ll return in the morning.

62 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Mar 27, 2015 9:04:45pm

I remember Charles Barkley when he was new to Philadelphia. He was inspiring and infuriating at times but he was never insincere. He may not be the best ballplayer to come through town, but he’s my favorite by far.

63 jaunte  Mar 27, 2015 9:05:13pm

re: #61 Dark_Falcon

He might, but he says he got a lot of concern from his constituents about the bill, so its likely that they’ll back his play. It’s also around a year till he faces a primary, so a good bit of any anger generated should dissipate by then.

And that’s it for me for tonight. I’ll return in the morning.

It’s important to remember that whatever anger is generated is anger about treating people equally. It’s not a neutral thing.

64 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Mar 27, 2015 9:05:13pm

…and he killed the Celtics.

65 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 27, 2015 9:05:18pm

Well, that was quick.

66 De Kolta Chair  Mar 27, 2015 9:06:55pm

re: #64 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Which might be why this die-hard Celtics fan wasn’t a fan. But I gotta admit, when he was on he was on.

67 HappyWarrior  Mar 27, 2015 9:07:10pm

re: #63 jaunte

It’s important to remember that whatever anger is generated is anger about treating people equally. It’s not a neutral thing.

Indeed. I still remember how Rove used anger about Massachusetts passing SSM to have multiple states place SSM bans on the ballot and use that as a ticket to get Bush re-elected. It worked. I’ve never forgotten that.

68 HappyWarrior  Mar 27, 2015 9:08:11pm

Hmmm interesting. Seeing that Jacobs used to be a Dem.

69 b.d.  Mar 27, 2015 9:08:29pm

Kimmel now:

Obama: I cannot drive, I’m not allowed to drive

Kimmel: Is that because you have a Kenyan birth certificate?

Obama: Over there we drive on the other side of the road.

//Awesome

70 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 27, 2015 9:08:31pm

UpChuck has posted his appearance on Joyce Kaufman’s radio show, during which JK admits she saw inappropriate behavior by Allen West and strokes CCJ’s ego, and both of them call West a great hero, etc., etc., but “flawed.”

CCJ has supposedly been working on this story for 2 years. I wonder what finally prompted him to come out with it now, given that West’s behavior was already revealed elsewhere. Is he trying to sink West’s chances of “getting close to power,” as he says?

I don’t think there’s a lot of love lost between Kaufman and West, for sure.

71 jaunte  Mar 27, 2015 9:08:31pm
72 Belafon  Mar 27, 2015 9:09:17pm

re: #35 teleskiguy

A commenter made an interesting point: Why were there no religious exemptions in the original same sex marriage bans?

73 De Kolta Chair  Mar 27, 2015 9:11:56pm

re: #69 b.d.

74 HappyWarrior  Mar 27, 2015 9:12:08pm

re: #71 jaunte

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Precisely. Bigots like Fischer claim that gay rights discriminates against their religious “beliefs” but what about the religions that are okay with gay people.Really if you’re uncomfortable with gay people, don’t open a business in the public sphere asshat. Would Bryan be okay with a Muslim or Jewish business owner refusing to serve him because they find his brand of Evangelical Christianity heretical? Somehow I doubt it but Bryan like most Evangelicals thinks he’s entitled to special rights.

75 Aye Pod  Mar 27, 2015 9:12:44pm

re: #59 De Kolta Chair

In the not too distant future…la la la…I’m going to bed.

Later folks :)

76 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 27, 2015 9:13:13pm

re: #69 b.d.

Kimmel now:

Obama: I cannot drive, I’m not allowed to drive

Kimmel: Is that because you have a Kenyan birth certificate?

Obama: Over there we drive on the other side of the road.

//Awesome

That’s was the same show that featured Obama reading Bad Tweets.

77 De Kolta Chair  Mar 27, 2015 9:13:41pm

re: #71 jaunte

Bryan Fischer knows all about unhinged reactions.

78 stpaulbear  Mar 27, 2015 9:13:51pm

re: #61 Dark_Falcon

He might, but he says he got a lot of concern from his constituents about the bill, so its likely that they’ll back his play. It’s also around a year till he faces a primary, so a good bit of any anger generated should dissipate by then.

But it’s not his general constituency that he has to worry about. It’s the grudge-holding wingnut fringe that tends to show up for the primaries. They’ve put so many whacko candidates into the general elections.

79 b.d.  Mar 27, 2015 9:14:33pm

re: #76 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

i tuned in late,it might have been. It shows it as a repeat.

80 jaunte  Mar 27, 2015 9:15:58pm

re: #74 HappyWarrior

Bryan like most Evangelicals thinks he’s entitled to special rights.

Cause Amurka is a Christian Nation!!!

81 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Mar 27, 2015 9:17:22pm

re: #66 De Kolta Chair

Which might be why this die-hard Celtics fan wasn’t a fan. But I gotta admit, when he was on he was on.

You had the refs on your side, we had Charles.

82 b.d.  Mar 27, 2015 9:18:26pm

Of course Glenn omits EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN

Because that’s the way he rolls

83 De Kolta Chair  Mar 27, 2015 9:19:04pm

re: #81 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

You had the refs on your side, we had Charles.

Was it that obvious?

84 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Mar 27, 2015 9:19:12pm

I was in my car a lot the last few days. My CD player plays mp3s on CDs so I have about 800 songs in my car. I was getting near the end of the alphabet and I decided that if I were starting a band I would draft Chris Squire over John Entwistle.

85 jaunte  Mar 27, 2015 9:20:43pm
86 HappyWarrior  Mar 27, 2015 9:22:04pm

re: #85 jaunte

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The most intelligent person in the room will be the bottles of water Louie and Dana are drinking from.

87 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Mar 27, 2015 9:22:18pm

re: #83 De Kolta Chair

And Tommy Heinsohn cheering them on during the telecast.
“Good no call on that one. Parrish held his ground”
At the other end:
“yup, the defender got Larry Bird right there on the arm. Just for a split second but good eye by Darrel Garretson.”

88 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Mar 27, 2015 9:23:06pm

re: #83 De Kolta Chair

Could be worse, You could be a Cowboy fan.

89 Belafon  Mar 27, 2015 9:24:30pm

re: #88 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Last weekend, I bought a football signed by Bob Lilly at a school auction for $70.

90 Kragar  Mar 27, 2015 9:25:52pm

So, my system seems to be fine now. The event log showed some power problems initiated an auto shutdown. I’m hoping this doesn’t mean my power supply is crapping out.

91 De Kolta Chair  Mar 27, 2015 9:25:55pm

re: #84 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I was in my car a lot the last few days. My CD player plays mp3s on CDs so I have about 800 songs in my car. I was getting near the end of the alphabet and I decided that if I were starting a band I would draft Chris Squire over John Entwistle.

I’ll trade you a John Entwistle card for a Rick Danko, and we can all do the Dangle.

92 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Mar 27, 2015 9:28:30pm

re: #89 Belafon

Last weekend, I bought a football signed by Bob Lilly at a school auction for $70.

May you fall asleep under a camel with postnasal drip.

93 prairiefire  Mar 27, 2015 9:29:47pm

re: #13 goddamnedfrank

This was Pence’s signing ceremony for the Religious Freedom Act:

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I’m … fuck … I … no words.

I do not think that I am represented in that photo. The ” leave me the hell alone” league.

94 prairiefire  Mar 27, 2015 9:31:28pm

re: #86 HappyWarrior

Gosh, I can’t wait for the new season of “Louie”.

95 HappyWarrior  Mar 27, 2015 9:33:57pm

re: #94 prairiefire

Gosh, I can’t wait for the new season of “Louie”.

Yes, love that show. Last season was brilliant I thought.

96 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Mar 27, 2015 9:33:58pm

The difference between Squire and Entwistle (as my crude ear sees it) is that Enwistle lays down a beat while Squire plays a more integral part of the melody and harmony. I wish I could put it into words better,

97 De Kolta Chair  Mar 27, 2015 9:36:14pm

re: #96 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

The difference between Squire and Entwistle (as my crude ear sees it) is that Enwistle lays down a beat while Squire plays a more integral part of the melody and harmony. I wish I could put it into words better,

I think you put that well. it’s hard to describe music in words, which is why it’s called music I suppose. ;-)

98 De Kolta Chair  Mar 27, 2015 9:43:44pm

re: #88 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Could be worse, You could be a Cowboy fan.

Even worse, I could be the ghost of Tom Landry risen from the grave to announce my support for Scott Walker’s marriage to Bristol Palin. Dream team!

99 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 27, 2015 9:43:49pm

re: #96 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

The difference between Squire and Entwistle (as my crude ear sees it) is that Enwistle lays down a beat while Squire plays a more integral part of the melody and harmony. I wish I could put it into words better,

Boris the Spider would be to differ. There is quite a bit going on in The Ox’s beat. He and Moon comprised the best rock rhythm section so far (IMHO & all that).

100 teleskiguy  Mar 27, 2015 9:47:28pm

Add another item to the “You’ve Got To Be Shitting Me” pile.

101 jaunte  Mar 27, 2015 9:49:45pm

re: #100 teleskiguy

When you have $300K toys, you’re well insulated.

102 retired cynic  Mar 27, 2015 9:51:13pm

re: #101 jaunte

Insurance will make him whole, I betcha.

103 De Kolta Chair  Mar 27, 2015 9:51:35pm

re: #84 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I was in my car a lot the last few days. My CD player plays mp3s on CDs so I have about 800 songs in my car. I was getting near the end of the alphabet and I decided that if I were starting a band I would draft Chris Squire over John Entwistle.

Didn’t Chris Squire play bass on “Roundabout”? I still have the first US pressing of that album, which I listened to at least a gazillion times in high school.

For what it’s worth, when it comes to rock ‘n’ roll, Rick Danko is my favorite bassist. The interesting thing, blue-eyed rock ‘n’ roll-wise, about The Band was their sound was built around the bass. Boy, that kid had talent up the Ontario wazoo.

104 teleskiguy  Mar 27, 2015 9:52:24pm

re: #101 jaunte

I could buy a cozy condo near here with the cost of that freaking car.

Humans, man.

105 Kragar  Mar 27, 2015 9:56:36pm

I see one of the common Wingnut refrains is now “The Dems passed Religious Freedom bills before!”

The difference being, those bills gave accommodations to people for their religious beliefs, such as allowing Native Americans to use peyote or access to restricted lands, or allowing the Amish to use their buggies on certain roads where they would normally not be allowed.

In each of these cases, they allowed a religious groups to exercise their beliefs without infringing on the civil rights of other citizens. To compare them to a law allowing discrimination is exactly the kind of utter nonsense that is to be expected from Conservatives nowadays.

106 jaunte  Mar 27, 2015 9:57:24pm
107 retired cynic  Mar 27, 2015 9:57:40pm

re: #102 retired cynic

Insurance will make him whole, I betcha.

Plus, someone like that has a lot of ego, and that ego would keep him from admitting if he had just taken a bath on it.

108 prairiefire  Mar 27, 2015 9:58:00pm

re: #106 jaunte

Damn straight.

109 jaunte  Mar 27, 2015 9:59:59pm

A good reminder that the entire population of the state has not gone along with this nonsense.

110 austin_blue  Mar 27, 2015 10:10:13pm

re: #103 De Kolta Chair

Didn’t Chris Squire play bass on “Roundabout”? I still have the first US pressing of that album, which I listened to at least a gazillion times in high school.

The Yes Album required marijuana. Close to The Edge required an upgrade to blotter.

By the way, we have Honk TX in Austin this weekend. It’s an absolute hoot. And free:

honktx.org

These bands have taken New Orleans second line to the next level. We saw these guys tonight:

They’re from Boston and I think half of them are Berklee grads. Just shit hot.

111 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Mar 27, 2015 10:11:35pm

I loved watching Charles play. He didn’t just get off the ground, he flew:

Akeem Olajuwan?!?

112 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 27, 2015 10:19:07pm

re: #101 jaunte

When you have $300K toys, you’re well insulated.

Meh - even if I won the lottery. It’s more fun to drive a slow car fast than it is to drive a fast car slow. And, let’s see him take that baby on a Costco run.

113 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Mar 27, 2015 10:21:36pm

re: #112 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I’ll keep my minivan, thank you very much.

114 RealityBasedSteve  Mar 27, 2015 10:25:07pm

re: #113 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I’ll keep my minivan, thank you very much.

Is it an Odyssey, that’s the Cadillac of minivans you know.

115 De Kolta Chair  Mar 27, 2015 10:28:11pm

‘Night all you ramblers and gamblers. Here’s Flaco Jiménez & Max Baca from their new album, “Legends & Legacies.” Have fun.

116 prairiefire  Mar 27, 2015 10:28:52pm

re: #114 RealityBasedSteve

I have a 2014 honda. I’m afraid I’m still not sure of the back up camera. The thing does drive like a beast.

117 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 27, 2015 10:29:41pm

re: #113 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I’ll keep my minivan, thank you very much.

Exactly. I have a 2006 Suby Forester for everyday and a built ‘99 Miata for fun. Between them they more than meet my needs. Every insanely fast car I’ve ever built, one from plans that I drew myself, got old after about three months.

118 freetoken  Mar 27, 2015 10:35:49pm

The older generation appears to be easily confused by all these modern gizmos:

Iowa’s governor doesn’t seem to understand what a smartphone is or how e-mail works

119 freetoken  Mar 27, 2015 10:39:50pm

This is America, 2015:

Evolution relies on suppression of truth

Is evolution science?

[…]

Evolution, as with all other subversive movements, relies on relentless propagation of lies and misinformation, while suppressing the truth.

Francis M. Borso

Fountain Hill

120 prairiefire  Mar 27, 2015 10:40:48pm

Very nice ensemble!

121 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 27, 2015 10:42:50pm

re: #119 freetoken

Next up: The Myth of Gravity.

122 Kragar  Mar 27, 2015 10:50:26pm

re: #119 freetoken

What about the rather extensive fossil record? Forgeries notwithstanding, it has not turned up even one organism in a transitional phase

Every fossil is a transitional fossil.

123 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 27, 2015 10:58:27pm

re: #122 Kragar

Hopson (1994) noted, “Of all the great transitions between major structural grades within vertebrates, the transition from basal amniotes [egg-laying tetrapods except amphibians] to basal mammals is represented by the most complete and continuous fossil record…. Structural evolution of particular functional systems has been well investigated, notably the feeding mechanism… and middle ear, and these studies have demonstrated the gradual nature of these major adaptive modifications.”

LINK

Edit: Although the Google search “evolutionary changes in fossil specimens” yields up just over a million hits the information found therein is just propaganda generated by The Great Fossil Conspiracy to Make Baby Jesus Cry.

124 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 27, 2015 11:11:07pm

re: #119 freetoken

re: #123 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Mr Borso is a creationist, which requires denial of objective reality. He would be unmoved by all that science-y stuff, since it is all lies and misinformation in his mind.

125 GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 27, 2015 11:20:10pm

Take out NASCAR too. Oh wait. I doubt that would ever happen because of that law.

126 GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 27, 2015 11:25:19pm

re: #88 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Could be worse, You could be a Cowboy Bears fan.

You were way off.

127 freetoken  Mar 27, 2015 11:43:58pm

Soundcloud I find to be quite annoying. They really don’t want you to search on items, but just be fed whatever their promotion-algorithm wants to push.

128 freetoken  Mar 27, 2015 11:51:33pm
129 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mar 28, 2015 12:05:14am

re: #81 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

You had the refs on your side, we had Charles.

Johnny Most* begs to differ.

——
*Celtics radio announcer from the 50’s through the 80’s. All opposing players were thugs (Laimbeer most of all) and the refs never gave the Celts a break.

130 Nyet  Mar 28, 2015 12:08:25am

re: #13 goddamnedfrank

They found a token rabbi but couldn’t be bothered with a token imam.

131 Nyet  Mar 28, 2015 12:15:34am

re: #15 Aye Pod

Germanwings co-pilot Andreas Lubitz ‘wanted to make everyone remember him’

It’s a) Bild, b) even if correctly transmitted - post facto memories. Take with a bucketload of salt.

132 Nyet  Mar 28, 2015 12:17:18am

re: #22 b.d.

He needs to be as famous as the guy who assassinated President McKinley because he wanted to make sure that his name lived throughout history and no one would ever forget his name.

F*ck that evil guy who I will never name.

Herostratus, right?

/

133 Nyet  Mar 28, 2015 12:25:03am
Between 1892 and 1954, over twelve million people entered the United States through the immigration inspection station at Ellis Island, a small island located in the upper bay off the New Jersey coast. There is a myth that persists in the field of genealogy, or more accurately, in family lore, that family names were changed there. They were not. Numerous blogs, essays, and books have proven this. Yet the myth persists; a story in a recent issue of The New Yorker suggests that it happened. This post will explore how and why names were not changed. It will then tell the story of Frank Woodhull, an almost unique example of someone whose name was changed, as proof that even if your name was changed at Ellis Island (it wasn’t), it wouldn’t have mattered. Confused? Read on…
134 freetoken  Mar 28, 2015 12:39:11am
135 Mattand  Mar 28, 2015 12:45:33am

re: #96 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

The difference between Squire and Entwistle (as my crude ear sees it) is that Enwistle lays down a beat while Squire plays a more integral part of the melody and harmony. I wish I could put it into words better,

I think that’s a pretty fair assessment.

By Townshend’s own admission, Entwistle was the soloist in the band, whereas Pete tended to play a more rhythmic role with Moon. The Who was one of the bands where nothing should have worked but did.

136 Mattand  Mar 28, 2015 12:49:15am

And back to the OT: Gov. Pence should be paying attention to what Barkley is saying, partly because Charles identifies as GOP.

Then again, religious fanatics tend not care how much damage they cause the people around them, as long as their religious views are forced on everyone else.

137 Kragar  Mar 28, 2015 12:52:51am

So been working on 2 full squads, got most of the work done, just finishing the details now. A lot more details and varying colors so they’ve been taking longer

138 CuriousLurker  Mar 28, 2015 1:12:26am

I ran across this just as I was getting ready to go to bed, but I decided to come drop it off for anyone who’s still here because it’s way cool. Who knew plankton could be so fascinating? It’s a great way to kill 16½ minutes.

G’nite. ;-)

“Ocean Drifters, a secret world beneath the waves” is a short film about plankton written, produced and directed by Dr Richard Kirby (Marine Institute Research Fellow, Plymouth University) with a narration by Sir David Attenborough and music by Richard Grassby-Lewis.

Drawing upon Richard Kirby’s plankton imagery, Ocean Drifters reveals how the plankton have shaped life on Earth and continue to influence our lives in ways that most of us never imagine.

Further information about the plankton can be found at the Ocean Drifters website (oceandrifters.org) and in the popular book about plankton also titled “Ocean Drifters, a secret world beneath the waves”.

The making of Ocean Drifters was supported by Carl Zeiss Ltd and the UK Natural Environment Research Council.

139 freetoken  Mar 28, 2015 1:18:16am

Rewatching the end of the 1951 classic When Worlds Collide and I notice for the first time that the new world has, it appears, non-natural structures in the distance.

Anyway, of the 35 (34?) people onboard I was struck about how very similar they all were, in appearance. Not very big on diversity, back there in ‘51.

140 Kragar  Mar 28, 2015 1:30:12am

re: #139 freetoken

Rewatching the end of the 1951 classic When Worlds Collide and I notice for the first time that the new world has, it appears, non-natural structures in the distance.

Anyway, of the 35 (34?) people onboard I was struck about how very similar they all were, in appearance. Not very big on diversity, back there in ‘51.

Did minorities exist back in the 50s?
/

141 Romantic Heretic  Mar 28, 2015 2:09:07am

re: #13 goddamnedfrank

This was Pence’s signing ceremony for the Religious Freedom Act:

Embedded Image

I’m … fuck … I … no words.

Very clear indication that these people have been unhappy since the Middle Ages and want to go back to them.

142 Romantic Heretic  Mar 28, 2015 2:12:16am

re: #31 b.d.

nytimes.com

Rule #1: Don’t p*ss off your cash cows.

They think God will replace it.

Yeah, libturds will go away but True Muricans will replace them.

ETA: Must check posts before posting, and damn you autocorrect.

143 Romantic Heretic  Mar 28, 2015 2:28:52am

re: #123 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Structural evolution of particular functional systems has been well investigated, notably the feeding mechanism… and middle ear

One of the most fascinating things I ever learned was the transition from a reptile’s complex jaw, simple teeth and simple ear to a mammal’s simple jaw, complex teeth and complex ear.

144 Romantic Heretic  Mar 28, 2015 2:30:47am

re: #137 Kragar

Thousand Sons?

145 Kragar  Mar 28, 2015 2:33:37am

re: #144 Romantic Heretic

Thousand Sons?

Night Lords

146 Romantic Heretic  Mar 28, 2015 2:38:09am

Oh, and for the WWII history buffs.

Restoration of B29 ‘Doc’ nearly finished.

I hope to see it flying soon.

147 Nyet  Mar 28, 2015 2:41:20am
They’ve released their latest analysis of the demographics of American ‘skeptics’ (they use the word “skeptic” to refer to the combined group of atheists and agnostics). It’s a somewhat confusing report, because they insist on looking at us through the lens of religion — we’re “unchurched”, they use a set of metrics designed for assessing the religious, they refer to Christian and “post-Christian”, and other annoyingly pointless divisions that only matter to Christians), but in all the clutter, there was something that stood out.

It ain’t just the ol’ white boys club any more.

148 Nyet  Mar 28, 2015 2:47:53am

149 Nyet  Mar 28, 2015 3:07:41am

Ukraine-Krise: Altkanzler Schröder attackiert Merkels Russland-Politik

God, Schröder is such a fucking prostitute. He should never crawl out from under his rock.

150 Shiplord Kirel  Mar 28, 2015 3:11:37am

re: #139 freetoken

Rewatching the end of the 1951 classic When Worlds Collide and I notice for the first time that the new world has, it appears, non-natural structures in the distance.

Anyway, of the 35 (34?) people onboard I was struck about how very similar they all were, in appearance. Not very big on diversity, back there in ‘51.

The book version had a sequel, After Worlds Collide, that described the survivor’s adventures on the new planet. The structures are undoubtedly related to a possible movie sequel that producer George Pal considered but never pursued.
Racial diversity is a weakness of all Pal movies, even by the lax standards of the time, When Worlds Collide is lily-white even though part of it is set in South Africa. The books, written by Philip Wylie and Edwin Balmer in the early 30s, do include non-white characters.

Many viewers have commented on the poor quality of the background painting in that final scene. It really is disappointingly cartoonish especially considering that it is the work of the great Ray Harryhausen. The painting we see was actually just a rough sketch for the much better one Harryhausen intended to use. Unfortunately the latter was ruined before the scene could be shot and producers did not want to wait for another to be painted. Over Harryhausen’s objections they insisted on using his crude sketch instead.
I first saw this movie when I was about 9 and instantly fell in love with then-24 year old Barbara Rush, a crush that is renewed every time I see it.

151 Dr Lizardo  Mar 28, 2015 3:15:56am

re: #150 Shiplord Kirel

After Pal’s Conquest of Space flopped, any plans to film After Worlds Collide were shelved for good.

OK…..meatworld stuff to do.

152 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 28, 2015 3:28:57am

For no apparent reason, I am watching Starship Troopers for the zillionth time, speaking of old SF movies.

153 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 28, 2015 3:33:36am

re: #152 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

For no apparent reason, I am watching Starship Troopers for the zillionth time, speaking of old SF movies.

Now there is a nightmare level disappointment of a movie…

154 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 28, 2015 3:54:21am

re: #153 William Barnett-Lewis

Now there is a nightmare level disappointment of a movie…

It’s not that bad, IMO. It’s not exactly like Heinlein’s story, which is to its advantage.

155 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 28, 2015 4:33:36am

re: #154 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It’s not that bad, IMO. It’s not exactly like Heinlein’s story, which is to its advantage.

Alas I grew you reading Heinlein. Had he changed the title too? Then perhaps I could give his political screed a fair shake. But it’s just too far from the novel for me.

156 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 28, 2015 4:37:55am

re: #153 William Barnett-Lewis

Now there is a nightmare level disappointment of a movie…

I used to love that book, and always imagined how they would film the troopers in combat in their powered space suits. Except they didn’t…

157 Romantic Heretic  Mar 28, 2015 4:46:05am

re: #156 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I used to love that book, and always imagined how they would film the troopers in combat in their powered space suits. Except they didn’t…

As I’ve mentioned before a film of people bouncing around unable to see each other save on radar screens would have been rather boring.

My thoughts before the movie came out? “Don’t fuck it up. Don’t fuck it up ad infinitum.”

After I saw it? “They fucked it up.”

To me it appears Verhoeven is one of those people who thought Heinlein’s book was all about war and that war mongers are Nazis. The parallels he drew in the movie were just too blunt for me.

158 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 28, 2015 4:52:17am

re: #157 Romantic Heretic

Exactly. The Forever War made a good criticism of the Heinlein without the farcical nature of the movie.

159 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 28, 2015 4:55:52am

re: #157 Romantic Heretic

To me it appears Verhoeven is one of those people who thought Heinlein’s book was all about war and that war mongers are Nazis. The parallels he drew in the movie were just too blunt for me.

They glossed over the initial premise of the book: that at the end of WWIII, public and political order collapsed completely, soldiers and POWs were left stranded wherever they were. They did not seize power, they simply picked up what had been abandoned by the previous nation-states.

160 Nyet  Mar 28, 2015 5:00:00am
161 Nyet  Mar 28, 2015 5:15:16am

Frum totally reverted to derp.

162 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 28, 2015 5:16:06am

re: #157 Romantic Heretic

As I’ve mentioned before a film of people bouncing around unable to see each other save on radar screens would have been rather boring.

My thoughts before the movie came out? “Don’t fuck it up. Don’t fuck it up ad infinitum.”

After I saw it? “They fucked it up.”

To me it appears Verhoeven is one of those people who thought Heinlein’s book was all about war and that war mongers are Nazis. The parallels he drew in the movie were just too blunt for me.

I didn’t read the book (despite reading a lot of Heinlein novels) until after I saw the movie, so the discrepancies didn’t bug me (hehe) then or even now.

From the Wikipedia entry, it seems the original screenplay was not based on the book at all, but was so close to it that they bought the rights to the book, to use the title, and adopted the character names from Heinlein and some plot points. But VerHoeven apparently hated the book’s militarism, and made his movie more of a satire than a rah-rah war movie.

It’s not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but pretty good mindless entertainment.

163 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 5:19:52am

I know it’s TV, but I’ve been watching “The Borgias”. Power, wealth, nepotism, murder, and lust for Rodrigo and his children (which may have numbered 12 from various mistresses, according to some sources) seems to have been the order of the day, but previous popes had left Alexander VI quite a legacy of corruption as well.

Without all that, though, Martin Luther might have never nailed his grievances to the church door and there possibly would have never been the Reformation that spawned Protestantism.

Is it time for a new Reformation against the corruption of the theocratic mix known as the Religious Right?

I’m a secular atheist, so believers need to see their “movement” for what it really is, not unlike that of the medieval Catholic Church. Otherwise, it’s simply an “Us Against Them” political attitude and faux religious “victimization” by the RW, and they appear to be winning even more power, as evidenced in the States and the US Congress. And while they operate on their prejudices, they’re becoming more clever and cunning in getting their way. And we may witness states becoming more segregated from other states in allowing the religious to rule the secular, contrary to the secular laws on which the country operates.

164 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 5:25:14am

Where is the Dr?

Czech PM says 2 tourists kidnapped in Pakistan 2 years ago released - @Reuters
end of alert

165 Bass Reeves  Mar 28, 2015 5:34:53am

re: #161 Nyet

I took my first real foray into the conservative mind on Frum Forum, back when that still existed, before he went The Daily Beast, before he…quit. I really enjoyed how he would make some reasonable arguments, then take a quick trip into derp, and get absolutely *destroyed* in the comments. And he never got to live down that Axis of Evil speech. Good times.

166 Nyet  Mar 28, 2015 5:38:53am

re: #163 Justanotherhuman

I know it’s TV, but I’ve been watching “The Borgias”. Power, wealth, nepotism, murder,

Charges of murder seem to be based on rumors. Even if true, we wouldn’t know. Think about how even today rumors quickly overwhelm sober facts when it comes to politics. Now magnify that at least tenfold.

167 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 28, 2015 5:46:51am

re: #166 Nyet

Charges of murder seem to be based on rumors. Even if true, we wouldn’t know. Think about how even today rumors quickly overwhelm sober facts when it comes to politics. Now magnify that at least tenfold.

Thanks to Twitter and Facebook, rumors fly around the world before the truth puts its shoes on, to paraphrase some famous guy.

168 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 5:47:34am

re: #166 Nyet

Charges of murder seem to be based on rumors. Even if true, we wouldn’t know. Think about how even today rumors quickly overwhelm sober facts when it comes to politics. Now magnify that at least tenfold.

Maybe so, but murder appeared to be a “solution” when eliminating your enemies back then, whether an individual act or in war, as is done today. And would a pope, or those surrounding him, sully his position by writing it down? Not to mention being above any secular law existent at the time—that was for the peons, not for a papal family that lived like royalty and still does.

169 No Country For Old Haters  Mar 28, 2015 5:47:50am

re: #71 jaunte

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170 Nyet  Mar 28, 2015 5:49:17am

re: #168 Justanotherhuman

The point is, whether anything happened or not, we don’t have evidence.

171 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 5:50:01am

re: #169 No Country For Old Haters

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Fischer and his ilk are the power-hungry medieval cardinals of today’s rightwing.

172 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 5:51:13am

re: #170 Nyet

True enough. But is the rest of Alexander VI’s corruption accepted as fact, even if toned down by the Vatican?

173 Nyet  Mar 28, 2015 5:52:08am

re: #172 Justanotherhuman

Sure. See e.g. Were the Borgias Really so Bad?

174 No Country For Old Haters  Mar 28, 2015 5:52:35am

re: #161 Nyet

Frum totally reverted to derp.

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175 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 6:02:14am

re: #173 Nyet

Sure. See e.g. Were the Borgias Really so Bad?

“Even Cesare’s deserved reputation for savage megalomania is rather less impressive when set in the context of the period. ”
See more at: historytoday.com

“…when set in the context of the period.” The period being exceedingly corrupt, I’d say.

176 Nyet  Mar 28, 2015 6:05:39am

re: #175 Justanotherhuman

Certainly. Hence your point about the Reformation is of course correct.

177 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 6:06:12am

Speaking of corruption…

3 more Kenyan government ministers, those for energy, transport and labor, resign preceding corruption investigation - @Reuters

178 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 6:10:10am
179 PhillyPretzel  Mar 28, 2015 6:13:00am

I know I am coming late to the original topic of the thread but I do agree with Mr Barkley. Discrimination in any form is not acceptable.

180 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 6:15:05am

re: #176 Nyet

Certainly. Hence your point about the Reformation is of course correct.

If you live in an area as I do, where local culture and politics are determined by church membership, you’d perhaps understand my statement about a present day “Reformation”.

181 lawhawk  Mar 28, 2015 6:16:40am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. The Indiana RFRA, the text of which is here, is substantially the same as RFRAs elsewhere in the country. And it is similar to the federal RFRA as well.

And that’s part of the problem.

Some circuits have read the federal RFRA in the way that the Indiana RFRA is written. They have extended a defense to private actors (individuals and businesses) to discriminate on “religious” grounds. More here.

The fact is that these laws as a whole are giving individuals and businesses the right to discriminate against others for “religious beliefs” and the question of sincerity of those beliefs is a BS cover. Depending on the circuit, the law can and will be used to discriminate against others.

The 6th and 7th Circuits have ruled that the RFRA can’t be used as a defense by private entities unless the government is involved, but other circuits that have addressed this issue have not. Now that Indiana has its own RFRA, the state courts will have a path to rule and allow discrimination (even though the federal circuit courts have ruled the opposite).

In sum, the RFRA from the federal law enacted back in 1993, all the way to the current Indiana law, is problematic and enables discrimination on grounds of “religious freedom”.

182 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 6:17:16am

re: #179 PhillyPretzel

I know I am coming late to the original topic of the thread but I do agree with Mr Barkley. Discrimination in any form is not acceptable.

Well, I doubt the yahoos who formulated that law wouldn’t necessarily allow CB into the state, either. In his case, though, it’s good to be famous. : )

183 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 6:22:29am

Good grief…killed for exercising a freedom.

Boko Haram kill 3 people walking to polling station in northeast Nigeria, police say - @Reuters
end of alert

184 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 28, 2015 6:23:32am

re: #182 Justanotherhuman

Well, I doubt the yahoos who formulated that law wouldn’t necessarily allow CB into the state, either. In his case, though, it’s good to be famous. : )

He might still be more likely to be pulled over just because he’s black, though. (Assuming he drives his own car, that is. CB might have a driver.)

185 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 6:27:05am

re: #184 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He might still be more likely to be pulled over just because he’s black, though. (Assuming he drives his own car, that is. CB might have a driver.)

My point, insinuated as it was, because I think Indiana’s law is going to be used as a “cover” for all kinds of discrimination.

186 Dark_Falcon  Mar 28, 2015 6:27:43am

re: #183 Justanotherhuman

Good grief…killed for exercising a freedom.

Boko Haram kill 3 people walking to polling station in northeast Nigeria, police say - @Reuters
end of alert

Islamists have been doing this for years. It still angers me, but it no longer shocks me in any way. This is what the enemy does, and they’ll keep doing it till they’re defeated. So the next question is “What can be done to hasten the day of their final defeat?”

187 Dave In Austin  Mar 28, 2015 6:30:35am

Time to go hunt the crappie…..
Have a great Sat. All..

188 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 28, 2015 6:34:27am

re: #185 Justanotherhuman

My point, insinuated as it was, because I think Indiana’s law is going to be used as a “cover” for all kinds of discrimination.

Somewhere, someone is going to challenge this RFRA statute in court on Constitutional grounds. I’m not even a Con-law scholar, but I can see problems with RFRA and both the equal protection clause and the establishment clause.

It’s yet another example of the slow, but steady encroachment of religion into the American legal and political system, a trend that I am quite sure the Founding Fathers wanted to avoid at all costs.

189 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 6:35:54am

“Second, Section 9 provides protections for “A person whose exercise of religion has been substantially burdened, or is likely to be substantially burdened.” While it is true that the “is likely to” language does not appear in the federal RFRA, I don’t think it adds anything. It’s effectively asking if there will be a likelihood of success on the merits. In the case of Hobby Lobby a pre-enforcement challenge was brought, claiming that they were likely to have a substantial burden. No burden was ever inflicted. I’m not sure what else the “likely” language adds.”

“… or is likely to be substantially burdened.”

So, as I see it, Indiana sees Federal anti-discrimination laws being used against them and this law is covering all asses who want to throw them out the window in their own favor as they make up their “harm” after the fact of their acts of discrimination? That’s reading the tea leaves, isn’t it?

190 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 28, 2015 6:46:38am

re: #189 Justanotherhuman

I think it is an attempt to evade federal law in favor of “state’s rights,” albeit in a very small way.

It’s just a really bad law, and in a sane world, should never have been signed into law in 1993 or thereafter. There’s simply no need for it, except as a balm to the “persecuted Christians” who find civil law burdensome.

191 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 28, 2015 6:50:49am

re: #181 lawhawk

Do you reckon another case will come before SCOTUS challenging any of these RFRAs?

192 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 6:52:58am

If you care to research, you can see that the right wing, with the help of ALEC and other actors, are hellbent on establishing laws that are contrary to Federal laws in this country and trying to circumvent and/or change them and have been doing so for some time. The Indiana law is just one.

Backlash Continues Against Right-Wing Legislation Mill ALEC

rhrealitycheck.org

Also: alec.org

193 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 28, 2015 6:56:59am

re: #150 Shiplord Kirel

The book version had a sequel, After Worlds Collide, that described the survivor’s adventures on the new planet. The structures are undoubtedly related to a possible movie sequel that producer George Pal considered but never pursued.
Racial diversity is a weakness of all Pal movies, even by the lax standards of the time, When Worlds Collide is lily-white even though part of it is set in South Africa. The books, written by Philip Wylie and Edwin Balmer in the early 30s, do include non-white characters.

Many viewers have commented on the poor quality of the background painting in that final scene. It really is disappointingly cartoonish especially considering that it is the work of the great Ray Harryhausen. The painting we see was actually just a rough sketch for the much better one Harryhausen intended to use. Unfortunately the latter was ruined before the scene could be shot and producers did not want to wait for another to be painted. Over Harryhausen’s objections they insisted on using his crude sketch instead.
I first saw this movie when I was about 9 and instantly fell in love with then-24 year old Barbara Rush, a crush that is renewed every time I see it.

By the time I was in junior high—1963 or so—they had both books out in one cover and I read them more than once before I even knew there had been a movie. I would zip through When Worlds Collide to get to the second book, which held much more interest for me.

Anybody who’s read the books will be able to imagine my disappointment when I finally saw the movie.

194 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 7:02:33am

re: #190 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I think it is an attempt to evade federal law in favor of “state’s rights,” albeit in a very small way.

It’s just a really bad law, and in a sane world, should never have been signed into law in 1993 or thereafter. There’s simply no need for it, except as a balm to the “persecuted Christians” who find civil law burdensome.

So, if someone who purports to be a “christian” (I suspect it will rarely be others) and allows only certain types into their establishment or to participate in their business, and then goes bankrupt for lack of customers or just for being a lousy business, this law gives them an “excuse” to whine and cry about it?

195 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 28, 2015 7:03:01am

re: #192 Justanotherhuman

If you care to research, you can see that the right wing, with the help of ALEC and other actors, are hellbent on establishing laws that are contrary to Federal laws in this country and trying to circumvent and/or them and have been doing so for some time. The Indiana law is just one.

Backlash Continues Against Right-Wing Legislation Mill ALEC

rhrealitycheck.org

Also: alec.org

I suspect it’s part of the Seven Mountains gameplan of the Dominionist movement, but that may be the conspiracy theorist in me speaking up. The RR, with the cooperation of more secular wingnuts, has created a false dichotomy of the evil federal government, with its un-Christian laws, and persecuted “Christians” being forced to obey those terrible laws. They’ve created an atmosphere of suspicion of secular government — and it makes no difference who is in the White House at the time — and this atmosphere enables cooperative legislators to introduce and push through laws that slowly whittle away at secular law. It’s been going on for at least 30 years. The targets originally were abortion and contraception. Then came school prayer (an old one) and evolution. Now they’ve got gay rights and Islam as targets, too.

196 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 7:08:48am

re: #195 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Actually, I think the Dominionists are just a small part of this sanctimonious claptrap. This is about power, about “states rights” and the entire agenda of the RW movement which utilizes the ignorance and backward thinking of the fundies and caters to them through legislation of this sort. The current day fear-mongering RW is just the precursor to a full-bodied fascist movement.

197 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 28, 2015 7:16:45am

re: #196 Justanotherhuman

Actually, I think the Dominionists are just a small part of this sanctimonious claptrap. This is about power, about “states rights” and the entire agenda of the RW movement which utilizes the ignorance and backward thinking of the fundies and caters to them through legislation of this sort. The current day fear-mongering RW is just the precursor to a full-bodied fascist movement.

You may be right. It’s an unholy convergence of religious nutjobs, neo-confederates, glibertarians, neo-fascists, states’ rightists and conservatives. Ted Cruz is a prime example of someone who is pandering to several of these camps at once.

I’m not a pessimistic person generally, but these social and political trends in the USA really worry me.

198 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 7:18:57am

Nigeria’s Muhammadu Buhari in profile

bbc.com

199 makeitstop  Mar 28, 2015 7:20:04am

‘Morning, Lizards,

First - who ordered this snow? I’d like to arrange for a return, plz…

And speaking of which - I’ve been tracking a box containing a Fender Telecaster guitar body, with which I’m planning on replicating the famous ‘Nocaster’ guitar (called a ‘Nocaster’ because in the first couple of years of production, Fender hadn’t yet settled on a proper name for the Tele). I ordered it from a place in Memphis and have been tracking it all week.

This morning I looked at the tracking page which showed that it landed at my local post office - with an alert that it was being sent back due to insufficient address. A quick call to the post office and checking the tracking number verified that it is indeed in my neighborhood, and after I finish this cup of coffee, I’m heading over to pick it up.

And next week, the Nocaster build shall begin. I swear, putting these things together is almost as much fun as playing them.

200 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 28, 2015 7:24:26am

Now this is interesting. Nigeria is using fingerprint scanners to register voters at the polling places. There was trouble scanning some people, and they were allowed to vote after manual verification of their identity. One of those voters was the current president, Goodluck Jonathan, who had to wait several minutes to vote.

Biometric voting in Nigeria. And what do we use in high-tech, first world America? Nothing that slick, to be sure.

201 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 7:27:52am

re: #197 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

You’re lucky, in a way, to be in China and and able to view it from afar.

What fun it would be to not have to worry about a theo-fascist coup when you’re living here, esp when you’re living in the midst of it and feel absolutely powerless in a locale ruled by these types?

Liberals, “moderates” and other forward-thinking people in the US need to start working harder and dump these RW types out of office, although I’m loathe to think it would happen in this county, but perhaps in the State of NC proper. I’ve been here 16 yrs and if I had the money, I’d leave, but I don’t think that’s a real solution.

202 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 7:31:08am
203 Doofus  Mar 28, 2015 7:31:33am

I haven’t really been keeping up with RFRA, or what it even stands for so I let Google do the walking. I am still now more confused and it is a Saturday, but here is the first passage in the wiki entry:

The Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993, Pub. L. No. 103-141, 107 Stat. 1488 (November 16, 1993), codified at 42 U.S.C. § 2000bb through 42 U.S.C. § 2000bb-4 (also known as RFRA), is a 1993 United States federal law aimed at preventing laws that substantially burden a person’s free exercise of religion. The bill was introduced by Congressman Chuck Schumer (D-NY) on March 11, 1993 and passed by a unanimous U.S. House and a near unanimous U.S. Senate with three dissenting votes[1] and was signed into law by President Bill Clinton.

The RFRA was held unconstitutional as applied to the states in the City of Boerne v. Flores decision in 1997, which ruled that the RFRA is not a proper exercise of Congress’s enforcement power. However, it continues to be applied to the federal government—for instance, in Gonzales v. O Centro Espirita Beneficente Uniao do Vegetal—because Congress has broad authority to carve out exemptions from federal laws and regulations that it itself has authorized. In response to City of Boerne v. Flores, some individual states passed State Religious Freedom Restoration Acts that apply to state governments and local municipalities.

204 Dr Lizardo  Mar 28, 2015 7:37:41am

re: #164 Justanotherhuman

Where is the Dr?

Czech PM says 2 tourists kidnapped in Pakistan 2 years ago released - @Reuters
end of alert

Yeah, it’s made the headlines over here.

205 Lidane  Mar 28, 2015 7:41:06am
206 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 7:42:40am

re: #203 Doofus

Here’s the legislation:

law.cornell.edu

(a) In general
Government shall not substantially burden a person’s exercise of religion even if the burden results from a rule of general applicability, except as provided in subsection (b) of this section.
(b) Exception
Government may substantially burden a person’s exercise of religion only if it demonstrates that application of the burden to the person—
(1) is in furtherance of a compelling governmental interest; and
(2) is the least restrictive means of furthering that compelling governmental interest.
(c) Judicial relief
A person whose religious exercise has been burdened in violation of this section may assert that violation as a claim or defense in a judicial proceeding and obtain appropriate relief against a government. Standing to assert a claim or defense under this section shall be governed by the general rules of standing under article III of the Constitution.

I don’t see anything there that would allow anyone to discriminate; however, until LGBT folks get full equality under the Constitution, they’re not really protected from discrimination (like women don’t have full rights, either, now) even if a State law slyly does it, albeit under the guise of “religious freedom”.

I’m surprised that in light of the patchwork “fixes” to the Constitution regarding race, gender, etc, that there has not been an Amendment introduced that would clear all of it up and give those of us w/half-rights, the full equality we deserve.

207 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 28, 2015 7:43:30am

re: #201 Justanotherhuman

I’m not sure it would come in a dramatic coup, but it might come after a slow and steady migration to a situation where one day, people will wake up and discover the Constitution is just a curious relic of an idealistic past. If the right laws are in place, all it would take is a national emergency for the Republic to just cease to exist.

The thing is, many of these people seem to favor the abstract notion of a theocratic state, but would be horrified to discover what the reality of such a state would be. China is not a theocracy, but the Communist Party is an autocracy (and an oligarchy), and life here for the “wrong people” can be very precarious. Say the wrong thing, do the wrong thing, and you’re gone. Poof!

It happened all over 17th and 18th century Europe, which is why our government is the way it is. People need to be reminded of this, and crooks like David Barton are doing everything in their power to obscure that past.

208 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 7:51:26am

re: #207 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Totally agree with everything you said.

Creeping theo-fascist rule, esp, but people “interpret” the Constitution, as we see in the Indiana RFRA, the way they will. Yes, history is meaningless to them.

209 Nyet  Mar 28, 2015 7:56:27am

Roosh Vorek:

rooshv. com/how-to-stop-rape

I thought about this problem and am sure I have the solution: make rape legal if done on private property. I propose that we make the violent taking of a woman not punishable by law when done off public grounds.

The exception for public rape is aimed at those seedy and deranged men who randomly select their rape victims on alleys and jogging trails, but not as a mechanism to prevent those rapes, since the verdict is still out if punishment stops a committed criminal mind, but to have a way to keep them off the streets. For all other rapes, however, especially if done in a dwelling or on private property, any and all rape that happens should be completely legal.

If rape becomes legal under my proposal, a girl will protect her body in the same manner that she protects her purse and smartphone. If rape becomes legal, a girl will not enter an impaired state of mind where she can’t resist being dragged off to a bedroom with a man who she is unsure of—she’ll scream, yell, or kick at his attempt while bystanders are still around. If rape becomes legal, she will never be unchaperoned with a man she doesn’t want to sleep with. After several months of advertising this law throughout the land, rape would be virtually eliminated on the first day it is applied.

210 GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 28, 2015 7:57:42am

My Delta Blue Gretsch Honey Dipper came in the other day. I seriously only remember 3-4 chords from back in the day but I love the swampy bluesy sound. Looking forward to our new life together. :)

And yes. Since the invention of the iPod, I really don’t use CDs anymore. :P

211 Doofus  Mar 28, 2015 7:57:47am

Have some Volbeat live!

212 Dr Lizardo  Mar 28, 2015 8:00:24am

re: #209 Nyet

So……….Roosh Vorek is a theologian for Islamic State or something? ‘Cuz he sure as hell sounds like one.

*spit*

213 goddamnedfrank  Mar 28, 2015 8:01:09am

re: #209 Nyet

214 GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 28, 2015 8:01:54am

re: #212 Dr Lizardo

So does Bryan Fischer.

215 makeitstop  Mar 28, 2015 8:02:08am

re: #210 GlutenFreeJesus

My Delta Blue Gretsch Honey Dipper came in the other day. I seriously only remember 3-4 chords from back in the day but I love the swampy bluesy sound. Looking forward to our new life together. :)

External image

And yes. Since the invention of the iPod, I really don’t use CDs anymore. :P

That is cool. The only Reso-style guitar I’ve got is an electric. Doesn’t look as cool as yours, but it wails.

216 Dr Lizardo  Mar 28, 2015 8:02:13am

re: #214 GlutenFreeJesus

So does Bryan Fischer.

Heh.

217 GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 28, 2015 8:03:52am

re: #215 makeitstop

I started watching reso slide vids on youtube and really got hooked. I’ve always wanted to have that sound. This time, I’m going to stick with it. :)

218 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 28, 2015 8:04:40am

re: #208 Justanotherhuman

Totally agree with everything you said.

Creeping theo-fascist rule, esp, but people “interpret” the Constitution, as we see in the Indiana RFRA, the way they will. Yes, history is meaningless to them.

The fracas about the new AP US History framework was largely stoked by RWNJs who felt threatened by its analytical approach to American history, instead of it teaching American Exceptionalism. Some nutjobs read the original framework, which was not especially detailed, and concocted some elaborate conspiracy theory about it. Then the College Board responded with a more detailed framework, which whipped the nutjobs into greater frenzy, since it rightly did not favor American Exceptionalism.

All it takes is some cockeyed housewife with a Twitter account or pastor with a TV show to misinterpret or warp the original intent of something, and pretty soon it’s all over the RW media as part of a vast CT that will bring down the USA.

219 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 8:06:42am

re: #209 Nyet

Roosh V, or Roosh Vorek, or sociopath, if you prefer.

The Web’s most infamous misogynist regrets nothing

dailydot.com

220 jaunte  Mar 28, 2015 8:08:26am

re: #209 Nyet

Roosh V:

“…A profile in Takimag states that he began blogging by writing about his failed attempts at having sex with women. Once his internet anonymity was broken, he moved to his father’s basement and turned to blogging and writing full-time to support himself…”
en.wikipedia.org

Sounds like the right spot for him.

221 makeitstop  Mar 28, 2015 8:08:41am

Here’s a parts mockup of the new build:

It’s not going to be a ‘Nocaster’ in the strictest sense, because of the Rosewood neck ((early Teles had mostly maple necks). But that grain should really pop through a transparent finish. I’m pretty stoked.

222 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 28, 2015 8:09:30am

re: #209 Nyet

Well, let’s expand this proposal to include murder, too. Imagine the reduction of caseloads in US courts if it became legal to off your troublesome wife or disobedient child or annoying co-worker, as long as the murder occurred on private property.

I sure hope this guy is trying to be satirical, a la Jonathan Swift. Otherwise, his proposal is sheer evil.

223 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 8:10:57am

Hanky panky?

Electoral commission: Voting suspended in some places in Nigeria; accreditation has been slow in many places and has not commenced at all in some others - @AFP, @INECAlert
end of alert

224 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 28, 2015 8:12:50am

re: #223 Justanotherhuman

Hanky panky?

Electoral commission: Voting suspended in some places in Nigeria; accreditation has been slow in many places and has not commenced at all in some others - @AFP, @INECAlert
end of alert

Problems with the biometric devices, apparently.

225 GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 28, 2015 8:14:19am

re: #221 makeitstop

226 Lidane  Mar 28, 2015 8:15:41am
227 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 8:15:42am

re: #222 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Well, let’s expand this proposal to include murder, too. Imagine the reduction of caseloads in US courts if it became legal to off your troublesome wife or disobedient child or annoying co-worker, as long as the murder occurred on private property.

I sure hope this guy is trying to be satirical, a la Jonathan Swift. Otherwise, his proposal is sheer evil.

I vote for sociopath, if you read the Daily Dot article.

228 Nyet  Mar 28, 2015 8:16:50am

re: #222 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

From his “book” Bang Iceland:

While walking to my place, I realized how drunk she was. In America, having sex with her would have been rape, since she couldn’t legally give her consent. It didn’t help matters that I was relatively sober, but I can’t say I cared or even hesitated.

229 makeitstop  Mar 28, 2015 8:19:03am

re: #225 GlutenFreeJesus

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Video

I’ve seen that process done. Pretty cool, although the result is a little too ‘hair band’ for my tastes. :)

230 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 8:19:17am

Spring break ain’t what it used to be, cont.

7 shot at Spring Break party; emergency meeting called in PCB

newsherald.com

Location of shootings: google.com

231 makeitstop  Mar 28, 2015 8:21:18am

re: #217 GlutenFreeJesus

I started watching reso slide vids on youtube and really got hooked. I’ve always wanted to have that sound. This time, I’m going to stick with it. :)

You want to talk about fun - I’ve been playing (or attempting) pedal steel for about 17 years. That stupid thing is like flying a helicopter, but the sound is just awesome.

I tell people that there’s a reason that all the great pedal steel players are in their 60s and 70s - it takes that long to get a good handle on what the hell you’re doing.

232 GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 28, 2015 8:25:32am

re: #229 makeitstop

Yeah, and I definitely wouldn’t pick those colors either!

233 GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 28, 2015 8:26:11am

re: #231 makeitstop

I was so close to getting a square neck, but I decided against it, for now.

If I had an unlimited budget, I’d have all teh thingz!

234 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 8:36:10am

re: #224 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

More: Nigeria election officials extend voting into Sunday in areas with technical problems with accreditation - @BBCBreaking

235 ObserverArt  Mar 28, 2015 8:40:32am

re: #199 makeitstop

‘Morning, Lizards,

First - who ordered this snow? I’d like to arrange for a return, plz…

And speaking of which - I’ve been tracking a box containing a Fender Telecaster guitar body, with which I’m planning on replicating the famous ‘Nocaster’ guitar (called a ‘Nocaster’ because in the first couple of years of production, Fender hadn’t yet settled on a proper name for the Tele). I ordered it from a place in Memphis and have been tracking it all week.

This morning I looked at the tracking page which showed that it landed at my local post office - with an alert that it was being sent back due to insufficient address. A quick call to the post office and checking the tracking number verified that it is indeed in my neighborhood, and after I finish this cup of coffee, I’m heading over to pick it up.

And next week, the Nocaster build shall begin. I swear, putting these things together is almost as much fun as playing them.

Embedded Image

Hey! That is the goal I had in mind when I did some mods on my Tradition ‘caster body. The only difference is it doesn’t have the Fender neck with the Nocaster head stock…but I love her all the same.

And she was good to me, but I let her down last night. I couldn’t get my fingers to sync to my brain no-way-no-how!

Good luck with the project…and happy playing!

EDIT TO ADD: I got to actually hold this Fender Nocaster at Gary’s Vintage Guitars here in Ohio. I was at his place selling him a rare Fender Swinger/Musiclander back just a bit over a year ago. $58,000!!!

Gary’s Classic Guitars - 1951 Fender Nocaster Butterscotch Blonde FEE0403

Check out some of his guitars. He has some very famous clientele too.

236 b_sharp  Mar 28, 2015 8:46:16am

Not fair.

Here I am getting my guitars together for sale and you guys are buying/building new ones.

:(

237 KerFuFFler  Mar 28, 2015 8:46:54am

re: #119 freetoken

This is America, 2015:

Evolution relies on suppression of truth

“Debating creationists on the topic of evolution is rather like trying to play chess with a pigeon; it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory.” — Scott D. Weitzenhoffer

238 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 8:47:06am

And a Republican did it.

How To Kill A Discriminatory ‘Religious Liberty’ Bill: Call The Bluff

thinkprogress.org

(snip)

“As in Indiana, proponents of Georgia’s bill have tried to argue that it has nothing to do with discrimination. Rep. Mike Jacobs, an LGBT-friendly Republican, decided to test this theory by introducing an amendment that would not allow claims of religious liberty to be used to circumvent state and local nondiscrimination protections. Supporters of the bill, like Rep. Barry Fleming (R), countered that the amendment “will gut the bill.”

“Nevertheless, the House Judiciary Committee approved the amendment with a 9-8 vote, three Republicans joining the Democrats in supporting it.
Fleming moved to table the amended bill, a motion that passed with 16 votes, making it doubtful the bill will proceed before the legislative session ends. With an exception for nondiscrimination protections, the “religious liberty” bill is likely dead.” More

239 ObserverArt  Mar 28, 2015 8:49:50am

re: #236 b_sharp

Not fair.

Here I am getting my guitars together for sale and you guys are buying/building new ones.

:(

Hey b, If you have some classics…check out the link I just edited into my last post. Good dude, very fair…and knows his stuff.

240 Lidane  Mar 28, 2015 8:54:09am

re: #229 makeitstop

I’ve seen that process done. Pretty cool, although the result is a little too ‘hair band’ for my tastes. :)

Heh. I was just thinking that that guitar reminded me of that Christian hair band from the 80’s. LOL!

241 makeitstop  Mar 28, 2015 8:54:26am

re: #235 ObserverArt

Hey! That is the goal I had in mind when I did some mods on my Tradition ‘caster body. The only difference is it doesn’t have the Fender neck with the Nocaster head stock…but I love her all the same.

And she was good to me, but I let her down last night. I couldn’t get my fingers to sync to my brain no-way-no-how!

Good luck with the project…and happy playing!

Embedded Image

EDIT TO ADD: I got to actually hold this Fender Nocaster at Gary’s Vintage Guitars here in Ohio. I was at his place selling him a rare Fender Swinger/Musiclander back just a bit over a year ago. $58,000!!!

Gary’s Classic Guitars - 1951 Fender Nocaster Butterscotch Blonde FEE0403

Check out some of his guitars. He has some very famous clientele too.

That is a pretty guitar, Art. I love that Butterscotch.

242 Belafon  Mar 28, 2015 8:55:47am

re: #240 Lidane

Heh. I was just thinking that that guitar reminded me of that Christian hair band from the 80’s. LOL!

Stryper? According to wikipedia, they’re still active.

243 makeitstop  Mar 28, 2015 8:57:06am

re: #236 b_sharp

Not fair.

Here I am getting my guitars together for sale and you guys are buying/building new ones.

:(

I’m in the midst of selling a bunch of stuff. A guy just left here with my (former) Gibson Firebird Studio. Nice guitar, but I’ve been on a Tele jag of late and it’s been getting no play.

I’ve also got a PRS, a Squier ‘51, and about a half-dozen acoustics on the block.

Gonna take that money and go find a solid used American Fender of some sort.

244 makeitstop  Mar 28, 2015 8:58:04am

re: #242 Belafon

Stryper? According to wikipedia, they’re still active.

They’re doing a show in Vegas at the end of may, which Twisted Sister was booked for prior to the death of their drummer last week. If TS decides to continue, I’ll be at that show.

245 Lidane  Mar 28, 2015 8:58:08am

re: #242 Belafon

Stryper? According to wikipedia, they’re still active.

Yes! That’s who I was thinking of. I didn’t know they were still around.

246 ObserverArt  Mar 28, 2015 9:01:40am

re: #241 makeitstop

That is a pretty guitar, Art. I love that Butterscotch.

Yeah. I couldn’t believe he trusted me enough to actually hold and strum it a bit. I also fondled a very well-worn but still in great shape playing wise ‘58 Les Paul Gold Top.

I just went through his Les Pauls and he seems to have sold the one I saw. He does have another.

I also note he sold my old Swinger. He gave me $1500 for it, and he had it listed for $2875. I hope whoever got it gives it a nice home. It was a unique short scale, so it probably won’t be played a lot…just a collectors item.

247 b_sharp  Mar 28, 2015 9:02:49am

re: #239 ObserverArt

Hey b, If you have some classics…check out the link I just edited into my last post. Good dude, very fair…and knows his stuff.

I’m not sure if what I have are classics. I have one of the early run of Peavey EVH Wolfgangs, an early ’80s Ovation Legend & an early Jackson Fusion.

248 b_sharp  Mar 28, 2015 9:04:09am

re: #241 makeitstop

That is a pretty guitar, Art. I love that Butterscotch.

Can certainly see where the musician played most of his/her music.

249 makeitstop  Mar 28, 2015 9:05:04am

re: #246 ObserverArt

Yeah. I couldn’t believe he trusted me enough to actually hold and strum it a bit. I also fondled a very well-worn but still in great shape playing wise -58 Les Paul Gold Top.

I just went through his Les Pauls and he seems to have sold the one I saw. He does have another.

I also note he sold my old Swinger. He gave me $1500 for it, and he had it listed for $2875. I hope whoever got it gives it a nice home. It was a unique short scale, so it probably won’t be played a lot…just a collectors item.

I’ve got a Fender Lead I, circa 1979. Same deal, short scale neck with a compound width. It was designed to replace the Mustang/Musicmaster line as Fender’s ‘student’ guitar.

I’ve seen them listed for north of $800 (I got it for half that) on eBay, but the one I’ve got is dead mint, and I kinda like its quirkyness.

250 jaunte  Mar 28, 2015 9:05:31am

re: #226 Lidane

“…That such a brilliant, accomplished man so regularly comes off as a petulant, short-sighted phony is inextricable from the demands of the conservative base, and the sorts of personas that it tends to reward.

They say they want “a fighter” but unthinkingly value punches thrown far more than fights won. So Cruz has thrown a lot of uppercuts in the Senate with little to show for it-except, of course, the inflation of his own profile.”

I think Cruz is both accomplished and a petulant, short-sighted phony.

251 ObserverArt  Mar 28, 2015 9:08:44am

re: #247 b_sharp

I’m not sure if what I have are classics. I have one of the early run of Peavey EVH Wolfgangs, an early ’80s Ovation Legend & an early Jackson Fusion.

re: #248 b_sharp

Can certainly see where the musician played most of his/her music.

I think Gary’s Classics looks for the old major names…Fender, Gibson, Ephiphone, Guild, Gretch, Rickenbacker and the like. That is not to say your guitars are not good. He just has his market for those old names.

And yes, that Nocaster was definitely worn in. That is what made it so cool to hold. It was like holding spirits.

252 makeitstop  Mar 28, 2015 9:16:02am

re: #251 ObserverArt

I think Gary’s Classics looks for the old major names…Fender, Gibson, Ephiphone, Guild, Gretch, Rickenbacker and the like. That is not to say your guitars are not good. He just has his market for those old names.

And yes, that Nocaster was definitely worn in. That is what made it so cool to hold. It was like holding spirits.

Jacksons are still pretty common. That first-run EVH will pull down some bucks with collectors, though. EVH fans are crazy like that. :)

253 b_sharp  Mar 28, 2015 9:24:54am

re: #252 makeitstop

Jacksons are still pretty common. That first-run EVH will pull down some bucks with collectors, though. EVH fans are crazy like that. :)

That’s the one I’m struggling most with selling. I play it more than any other, but since I seldom play anymore, I’ve decided to just keep 1 guitar. I have an Ibanez electric with an acoustic Fishman bridge that will serve as both electric & acoustic although I may also keep my Takamine.

254 makeitstop  Mar 28, 2015 9:31:20am

re: #253 b_sharp

That’s the one I’m struggling most with selling. I play it more than any other, but since I seldom play anymore, I’ve decided to just keep 1 guitar. I have an Ibanez electric with an acoustic Fishman bridge that will serve as both electric & acoustic although I may also keep my Takamine.

The Wolfgangs are really nice guitars.

Little known fact - Eddie had a private eBay store, and he’d build a bunch of ‘Frankenstrat’ copies, play them on stage, sign them and sell them on eBay for really good money. A friend of mine’s got one in a glass case.

Me? I’d be playing the crap out of it! :)

255 Lidane  Mar 28, 2015 9:35:06am
256 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 9:36:23am
257 Great White Snark  Mar 28, 2015 9:39:48am

I think Mr Barkley has raised the bar for celebrities here. It’s easy to go on a talk show and bitch. Sometimes but rarely effective. This now this is how you make your voice heard. Thoughtful, calm and firm as hell.

14 hours late but why not…

258 makeitstop  Mar 28, 2015 9:42:47am

re: #255 Lidane

Indiana officials struggle to contain fallout from new anti-gay bill

Serves ‘em right.

Even Reggie Miller released a statement condemning the law.

When just about the most famous Pacer ever is releasing a statement, you’ve got real problems.

259 Romantic Heretic  Mar 28, 2015 9:43:07am

re: #161 Nyet

Frum totally reverted to derp.

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Frum is one of those people that can sound really intelligent for about half an hour and then the derp come out.

260 Nyet  Mar 28, 2015 9:43:54am

The law’s supporters say it’s not about discrimination. What is it about, then?

If a Christian Identity adherent runs some business that caters at weddings and refuses any service to “non-Aryan” or mixed couples, does he have that right?

If yes, it’s a law about discrimination.

If no, what is the law about?

261 Nyet  Mar 28, 2015 9:44:24am

re: #259 Romantic Heretic

Frum is one of those people that can sound really intelligent for about half an hour and then the derp come out.

Still better than Rand Paul. He sounds intelligent for 2-3 minutes.

262 Lidane  Mar 28, 2015 9:45:04am
263 allegro  Mar 28, 2015 9:46:01am

re: #260 Nyet

The laws supporters say it’s not about discrimination. What is it about, then?

If a Christian Identity adherent runs some business that caters to weddings and refuses any service to “non-Aryan” or mixed couples, does he have that right?

If yes, it’s a law about discrimination.

If no, what is the law about?

A demonstration of dominance in a culture that is increasingly rejecting the power and influence of christianist leadership.

264 Nyet  Mar 28, 2015 9:46:07am

The law is discriminatory in any case. Because why are religious convictions ranked higher than non-religious ones?

265 makeitstop  Mar 28, 2015 9:46:28am

re: #260 Nyet

The law’s supporters say it’s not about discrimination. What is it about, then?

If a Christian Identity adherent runs some business that caters to weddings and refuses any service to “non-Aryan” or mixed couples, does he have that right?

If yes, it’s a law about discrimination.

If no, what is the law about?

And if the law’s effects are as minimal as Pence and others are claiming, then why sign it in the first place?

266 allegro  Mar 28, 2015 9:46:52am

re: #264 Nyet

The law is discriminatory in any case. Because why are religious convictions ranked higher than non-religious ones?

The ultimate question.

267 Nyet  Mar 28, 2015 9:46:59am

re: #263 allegro

A demonstration of dominance in a culture that is increasingly rejecting the power and influence of christianist leadership.

It’s not what a supporter would say.

268 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2015 9:47:29am

re: #255 Lidane

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I like how businesses are displaying “we serve everyone” stickers and a lot of other public officials in Indiana are speaking out against the law.

269 ObserverArt  Mar 28, 2015 9:47:34am

re: #257 Great White Snark

I think Mr Barkley has raised the bar for celebrities here. It’s easy to go on a talk show and bitch. Sometimes but rarely effective. This now this is how you make your voice heard. Thoughtful, calm and firm as hell.

I hope Indiana gets hit by all kinds of protests. I imagine a lot of entertainers of all kinds will be balking at performing in the state. Looks for musicians, actors, writers, even artists that display works in museums to balk about having anything to do with the state.

Of course, the people that are behind and support this stupid bigoted legislation to cry about it being treated unfairly and completely miss the whole point about mistreatment.

Wouldn’t it be a dagger if even big sports teams refused to play in the state and even racing teams refusing to run the Indy 500 and Brickyard 400, etc.

Sure, pass your crap…and get ready for the fallout.

270 allegro  Mar 28, 2015 9:48:05am

re: #267 Nyet

It’s not what a supporter would say.

I’m not a supporter. ;)

271 Nyet  Mar 28, 2015 9:48:37am

re: #270 allegro

I’m not a supporter. ;)

I was asking for a supporter argument.

272 RealityBasedSteve  Mar 28, 2015 9:49:09am

Best.Tech.Headline. Ever.

Flak for Slack chaps in yak app hack flap: User database WHACKED

It’s from The Register, and it’s about a data hack at Slack (a groupwork app)

RBS

273 makeitstop  Mar 28, 2015 9:49:48am

re: #269 ObserverArt

I hope Indiana gets hit by all kinds of protests. I imagine a lot of entertainers of all kinds will be bulking at performing in the state. Looks for musicians, actors, writers, even artists that display works in museums to balk about having anything to do with the state.

Of course, the people that are behind and support this stupid bigoted legislation to cry about it being treated unfairly and completely miss the whole point about mistreatment.

Wouldn’t it be a dagger if even big sports teams refused to play in the state and even racing teams refusing to run the Indy 500 and Brickyard 400, etc.

Sure, pass your crap…and get ready for the fallout.

I think hoops guys like Barkley and Reggie are going to have the most impact, given Indiana’s deep association with the sport.

Here’s hoping more basketball figures speak out.

274 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 9:50:26am
275 ObserverArt  Mar 28, 2015 9:51:13am

re: #264 Nyet

The law is discriminatory in any case. Because why are religious convictions ranked higher than non-religious ones?

The simple fact is there is absolutely nothing standing in the way of any church/religion to practice whatever they want. A lot to do about nothing.

There is zero need for this ‘law’ except to give cover to bigoted blockheads.

Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. Not in Indiana.

276 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 9:53:11am

How big names react to ‘religious freedom’ signing

indystar.com

Not to mention “little names” like us.

277 Romantic Heretic  Mar 28, 2015 9:56:21am

re: #190 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

…the “persecuted Christians” who find civil law burdensome.

When I read that I thought, “I wonder how long it will be before someone kills somebody for ‘persectuting them’? I wonder if Indiana will let them?”

278 Dr Lizardo  Mar 28, 2015 9:58:07am

Meanwhile, here in Ostrava, our local zoo has opened the Pavilion of Evolution.

moravskoslezsky.denik.cz

It’s in Czech, but you can run it through Google Translate.

Here, it’s normal. In some parts of the US, I’d daresay calling it “controversial” would be an understatement.

*smh*

279 Romantic Heretic  Mar 28, 2015 10:01:04am

re: #209 Nyet

Good…fucking…Christ.

280 BeachDem  Mar 28, 2015 10:01:54am

Can’t seem to link tweets from this tablet (tech impaired) but check out Audra McDonald and Keith Olbermann.

281 allegro  Mar 28, 2015 10:01:54am

re: #277 Romantic Heretic

When I read that I thought, “I wonder how long it will be before someone kills somebody for ‘persectuting them’? I wonder if Indiana will let them?”

A number of states allow parents to beat their kids in the name of religion and kill them by refusing medical treatment for easily treated infections. That considered, your question isn’t much of a stretch.

282 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 10:05:07am

re: #281 allegro

A number of states allow parents to beat their kids in the name of religion and kill them by refusing medical treatment for easily treated infections. That considered, your question isn’t much of a stretch.

And that is really, really, really fucked up.

283 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2015 10:07:07am
284 Romantic Heretic  Mar 28, 2015 10:07:20am

re: #228 Nyet

From his “book” Bang Iceland:

I read that paragraph and had the sudden, vivid fantasy of kicking his legs out from under him, landing my knees on his shoulders and giving his neck a sudden, sharp twist.

285 allegro  Mar 28, 2015 10:07:51am

On the subject of religious freedom to smack kids and women around:

rawstory.com

286 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 10:08:31am

Obviously, the religious nuts think there are no “bad parents” as long they’re, well, “religious” so they can keep on torturing and neglecting their children.

Except for their “save the fetus” claptrap, they really hate kids. They would have to, and these kind really do attract the nutters.

287 ObserverArt  Mar 28, 2015 10:10:16am

re: #280 BeachDem

Can’t seem to link tweets from this tablet (tech impaired) but check out Audra McDonald and Keith Olbermann.

That’s what I was talking about in #269.

Again, I hope the kickback is strong and gives pause to all the other states that will try this crap.

In fact, I so hope this helps get normal America pissed off about all this fundie religion crap and stamps it down.

Nothing changes things in this country more than a big old hit in the piggy bank. Even fundie churches might have a change of mind if there is a change in income.

288 allegro  Mar 28, 2015 10:10:37am

re: #286 Justanotherhuman

Obviously, the religious nuts think there are no “bad parents” as long they’re, well, “religious” so they can keep on torturing and neglecting their children.

Except for their “save the fetus” claptrap, they really hate kids. They would have to, and these kind really do attract the nutters.

The Raw Story I just linked connects those dots pretty effectively.

289 Great White Snark  Mar 28, 2015 10:19:21am

re: #269 ObserverArt

Voting with our dollars. Might not be rich but I only get one vote at the polls.

290 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 10:22:45am

Expect to see thousands soon.

291 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 28, 2015 10:24:01am

re: #269 ObserverArt

I hope Indiana gets hit by all kinds of protests. I imagine a lot of entertainers of all kinds will be balking at performing in the state. Looks for musicians, actors, writers, even artists that display works in museums to balk about having anything to do with the state.

I remember when Arizona voted down the Martin Luther King Day holiday in a state-wide referendum the 1980’s, and it cost them millions in lost tourist and convention business. They finally and begrudgingly reversed their decision.

292 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 10:24:50am

A passed, signed bill can be rescinded.

All it takes it some courage to get this POS Indiana legislation overturned.

293 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 28, 2015 10:25:23am

re: #275 ObserverArt

The simple fact is there is absolutely nothing standing in the way of any church/religion to practice whatever they want. A lot to do about nothing.

There is zero need for this ‘law’ except to give cover to bigoted blockheads.

Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. Not in Indiana.

Freedom of Religion means that they have to right to disapprove of homosexuality and to refuse to recognize that gays are married in the eyes of God.

Equal Rights means that they have to accept the civil legal status of marriage and treat these people accordingly.

294 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 28, 2015 10:26:21am

re: #292 Justanotherhuman

A passed, signed bill can be rescinded.

All it takes it some courage to get this POS Indiana legislation overturned.

Are we talking about ACA all of a sudden?

/

295 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 10:26:35am
296 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 10:34:55am

Went outside. Cold, sunny but 43. Must remember to cover newly planted stuff tonight w/a sheet or bring them inside (in pots) since it’s getting down to 25, but after tomorrow, it’s all good unless something else like this comes along.

At least it hasn’t snowed…

297 ObserverArt  Mar 28, 2015 10:36:46am

re: #296 Justanotherhuman

Went outside. Cold, sunny but 43. Must remember to cover newly planted stuff tonight w/a sheet or bring them inside (in pots) since it’s getting down to 25, but after tomorrow, it’s all good unless something else like this comes along.

At least it hasn’t snowed…

It was 19° with a wind chill of 7° this morning in Columbus. Sucks.

Be back a bit later…got to work on this old house, maybe go bang a bit on my drums to get me flowing.

298 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2015 10:38:29am

re: #296 Justanotherhuman

Still waiting for the temp to get up to freezing here in the backwoods.

Just one more night of winter in the forecast, then we’re back into 50s and high 60s. Woot!

299 allegro  Mar 28, 2015 10:44:21am

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

Still waiting for the temp to get up to freezing here in the backwoods.

Just one more night of winter in the forecast, then we’re back into 50s and high 60s. Woot!

We’re enjoying our two weeks of spring weather perfection with gorgeous days in the 70s. Summer will be hitting about next week with 90+ temps until next Christmas or so.

300 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2015 10:50:55am
301 jaunte  Mar 28, 2015 10:52:23am

re: #300 Backwoods_Sleuth

Gaystapo! Hurr.

302 Timothy Watson  Mar 28, 2015 10:52:38am

re: #300 Backwoods_Sleuth

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303 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2015 10:52:40am

re: #301 jaunte

Gaystapo! Hurr.

Drink!!!

304 andres  Mar 28, 2015 10:58:47am

re: #300 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’d love to see Fisher tell Barkley this.

305 Belafon  Mar 28, 2015 10:59:28am

re: #300 Backwoods_Sleuth

Who was it that passed the discrimination law?

306 allegro  Mar 28, 2015 11:00:38am

re: #305 Belafon

Who was it that passed the discrimination law?

Complaining about it is religious oppression.

307 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 28, 2015 11:00:52am

re: #305 Belafon

Who was it that passed the discrimination law?

Indiana State Legislature, signed by governor.

308 D_Red  Mar 28, 2015 11:01:32am

Complaining about discrimination is the real discrimination.

309 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 11:03:03am

The crowd looks bigger…

310 Great White Snark  Mar 28, 2015 11:07:50am

Ding and run?

Seemed a very mild comment when I wrote it.

311 Charles Johnson  Mar 28, 2015 11:12:47am

Interesting. This “political consultant” in Fresno popped up yesterday to back up Chuck’s Allen West smear - but she has now deleted those tweets. Hmmm.

@xlaurenstephens

312 allegro  Mar 28, 2015 11:14:10am

re: #311 Charles Johnson

Interesting. This “political consultant” in Fresno popped up yesterday to back up Chuck’s Allen West smear - but she has now deleted those tweets. Hmmm.

@xlaurenstephens

Chuckum’s check bounced?

313 Dr. Matt  Mar 28, 2015 11:16:23am

Greetings from DC!

314 retired cynic  Mar 28, 2015 11:21:17am

OT: esquire.com

Charles Pierce minces no words at all.

315 Skip Intro  Mar 28, 2015 11:21:38am

re: #292 Justanotherhuman

A passed, signed bill can be rescinded.

All it takes it some courage to get this POS Indiana legislation overturned.

I don’t want it overturned. I want it, and all the other GOP bills like it, to stand through 2016 so all of the people who couldn’t be bothered to get off their asses and vote in 2014 can finally see what handing power to the GOP means.

Then (and here comes the fantasy), I want the Dems to pound this every time they face the media, over and over and over again. Maybe they could also mention the GOP plan to completely dismantle the social safety net so we can have more war and lower taxes for the poor, overtaxed billionaires in this country.

316 Snarknado!  Mar 28, 2015 11:25:45am

Charles,

Twitter embeds are misbehaving again — I just updated to the lastest firefox, and it’s showing the old truncated window. On my (win7) laptop, I can get them to display properly if I reload. In the (android) phone, I have t scroll embedded tweets to see them all.

Waaaah.

317 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 11:26:09am

re: #314 retired cynic

Yes, a thousand yeses. Bring it on.

318 Belafon  Mar 28, 2015 11:26:46am

re: #308 D_Red

Complaining about discrimination is the real discrimination.

I’ve been in a twitter back and forth with someone who keeps saying its hypocritical of people to refuse entry to Pence over the discrimination law.

Because that’s worked before. As we all know, it wasn’t the boycotts, but Reagan’s appeasement, that ended apartheid in South Africa.

319 jaunte  Mar 28, 2015 11:31:21am

re: #314 retired cynic

“they are stateless gombeen bastards who would sell this country’s democracy off like a subprime mortgage to put another ten bucks into their pockets”

320 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 11:32:31am

re: #314 retired cynic

“Representatives from Citigroup, JPMorgan, Goldman Sachs and Bank of America, have met to discuss ways to urge Democrats, including Warren and Ohio Senator Sherrod Brown, to soften their party’s tone toward Wall Street, sources familiar with the discussions said this week. Bank officials said the idea of withholding donations was not discussed at a meeting of the four banks in Washington but it has been raised in one-on-one conversations between representatives of some of them. However, there was no agreement on coordinating any action, and each bank is making its own decision, they said.

“My god, what a prodigious bluff. Also, my god, what towering arrogance? These guys own half the world and have enough money to buy the other half, and they’re threatening the party still most likely to control the White House because they don’t like the Senator Professor’s tone? Her tone? Sherrod Brown’s tone? These are guys who should be worried about the tone of the guard who’s calling them down to breakfast at Danbury and they’re concerned about the tenderness of their Savile Row’d fee-fees? Honkies, please.”

321 Dark_Falcon  Mar 28, 2015 11:33:36am

re: #318 Belafon

I’ve been in a twitter back and forth with someone who keeps saying its hypocritical of people to refuse entry to Pence over the discrimination law.

Because that’s worked before. As we all know, it wasn’t the boycotts, but Reagan’s appeasement, that ended apartheid in South Africa.

Actually, it was the end of the Cold War. With that over, the US-UK concern that majority rule in South Africa risked a pro-Soviet alignment went away.

322 Nyet  Mar 28, 2015 11:37:09am

Actually it’s about the pro-Soviet alignment in geopolitics.

323 Dark_Falcon  Mar 28, 2015 11:39:09am

re: #320 Justanotherhuman

“My god, what a prodigious bluff. Also, my god, what towering arrogance? These guys own half the world and have enough money to buy the other half, and they’re threatening the party still most likely to control the White House because they don’t like the Senator Professor’s tone? Her tone? Sherrod Brown’s tone? These are guys who should be worried about the tone of the guard who’s calling them down to breakfast at Danbury and they’re concerned about the tenderness of their Savile Row’d fee-fees? Honkies, please.”

It’s not a bluff, but it is an attempt to get Hillary Clinton to crack the whip and order the senators Wall Street doesn’t like to quiet down and go bother someone else. It might well work too, given how likely Clinton is to depend on a campaign based on hitting her opponent with the Money Stick.

324 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 11:40:03am

Angie’s List canceling Eastside expansion over RFRA

indystar.com

“Angie’s List CEO Bill Oesterle said his firm will pull out of a pending deal with the state and city to expand its headquarters on Indianapolis’ Near Eastside because of his disagreement with the state’s passage of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.

“Oesterle said he opposed the passage of the act on Thursday, intends to keep speaking out against it, and feels he can’t accept state subsidies for his company’s expansion given his disagreement over the act.

“We’re going to be very vocal on this issue and I don’t feel we can do that if we are taking state money,” Oesterle said Saturday in an interview with The Star. “We don’t want to be bound by commitments in that deal given the current atmosphere in the state (government).” More

325 Dark_Falcon  Mar 28, 2015 11:44:22am

Firearms use FAIL:

Note how the M4 in the photo has an expensive optical sight, but the fool holding it just holds it up without aiming and pulls the trigger. The photo is from this article.

326 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 11:45:04am

re: #323 Dark_Falcon

Oh, please. Take that argument elsewhere. As for Wall St gazillionaires,

327 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2015 11:47:09am

In case anyone was wondering:

And yes, Kentucky is on that map (our governor vetoed the bill, but the legislature overrode him).

328 Dark_Falcon  Mar 28, 2015 11:47:43am

re: #326 Justanotherhuman

Oh, please. Take that argument elsewhere.

No, I don’t think I will. You want to disagree, fine, but you’re not the boss of me and you haven’t showed how I might be wrong.

329 Dark_Falcon  Mar 28, 2015 11:49:26am

re: #327 Backwoods_Sleuth

In case anyone was wondering:

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And yes, Kentucky is on that map (our governor vetoed the bill, but the legislature overrode him).

Not all laws by that name permit anti-gay discrimination. The laws need to be looked at state by state, as they based in different states at different times and have had significant internal differences.

330 Timothy Watson  Mar 28, 2015 11:51:05am

re: #325 Dark_Falcon

Firearms use FAIL:

Embedded Image

Note how the M4 in the photo has an expensive optical sight, but the fool holding it just holds it up without aiming and pulls the trigger. The photo is from this article.

Well, he might not want to brave sticking his head over that barricade.

In other news, why does a Shia militiaman have a M-4 with an optical sight?

331 Varek Raith  Mar 28, 2015 11:52:15am

Religious freedom to do what?

332 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2015 11:52:28am

re: #329 Dark_Falcon

Not all laws by that name permit anti-gay discrimination. The laws need to be looked at state by state, as they based in different states at different times and have had significant internal differences.

I only know about Kentucky, since it’s my state.
But the wording of the law here is exactly the same as Indiana’s.

333 Great White Snark  Mar 28, 2015 11:52:44am

re: #325 Dark_Falcon

So did Iran send the 3rd stringers?
From your article-

“These forces were not being controlled by the government of Iraq, they did not have a coherent scheme of manoeuvre or command and control, they did not have precision fires to support this effort, so trying to go about the difficult task of clearing a place like Tikrit without that caused them to stall,” he said.

Gen Austin said the US insisted that the Shia militias be withdrawn before it provided support. “We had to know who exactly was on the ground, we had to be able to deconflict our fires,” he said. As a result of the militias’ withdrawal, around 4,000 members of the Iraqi special forces and federal police were left to clear the city, he added.

334 Varek Raith  Mar 28, 2015 11:54:00am
335 Belafon  Mar 28, 2015 11:54:20am

re: #327 Backwoods_Sleuth

Because they’re not the same type of law: washingtonpost.com.

“These state RFRAs were enacted in response to Supreme Court decisions that had nothing to do with gay rights or same-sex marriage,” explained University of Virginia law professor Douglas Laycock in an e-mail. “And the state court decisions interpreting their state constitutions arose in all sorts of contexts, mostly far removed from gay rights or same-sex marriage. There were cases about Amish buggies, hunting moose for native Alaskan funeral rituals, an attempt to take a church building by eminent domain, landmark laws that prohibited churches from modifying their buildings - all sorts of diverse conflicts between religious practice and pervasive regulation.”

Most of the laws that currently exist were state extensions of the federal RFRA when the SCOTUS ruled that it didn’t apply at the state level.

336 Skip Intro  Mar 28, 2015 11:55:49am

re: #331 Varek Raith

Religious freedom to do what?

Anything they want if this trend continues.

337 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2015 11:57:10am

re: #332 Backwoods_Sleuth

I only know about Kentucky, since it’s my state.
But the wording of the law here is exactly the same as Indiana’s.

Gov. Beshear’s statement when he vetoed the bill:

“I appreciate the good intentions of House Bill 279… However, I have significant concerns that this bill will cause serious unintentional consequences that could threaten public safety, health care, and individuals’ civil rights… The bill will undoubtedly lead to costly litigation.”

He further said, “Imprecise legal standards lead to unforeseen consequences” and cited various areas where problems could arise including: civil rights, school curriculum standards, economic development efforts, public health initiatives and drug enforcement. For example, a science teacher might refuse to teach evolution or choose to teach creationism. Prayer could enter government meetings. The implications are endless.

wildhunt.org
(there are other sources for this, I just grabbed the first one and it matches my recollection)

338 Dark_Falcon  Mar 28, 2015 11:57:17am

re: #330 Timothy Watson

Well, he might not want to brave sticking his head over that barricade.

In other news, why does a Shia militiaman have a M-4 with an optical sight?

Then he shouldn’t be shooting. You don’t fire a gun unless you know what you’re shooting at. Anything else is just wasting ammo at best.

339 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 11:57:47am

re: #328 Dark_Falcon

No, I don’t think I will. You want to disagree, fine, but you’re not the boss of me and you haven’t showed how I might be wrong.

“…you’re not the boss of me”

What kind of juvenile bullshit is that?

You made an argument I totally disagree with and that’s all you have?

When you can prove “It’s not a bluff, but it is an attempt to get Hillary Clinton to crack the whip and order the senators Wall Street doesn’t like to quiet down and go bother someone else. It might well work too, given how likely Clinton is to depend on a campaign based on hitting her opponent with the Money Stick.” then I’ll bring out the guns. Otherwise, it’s just your opinion, not fact.

You make it sound as though Clinton is their wiling accomplice or servant and, BTW, she hasn’t even announced yet and neither have any of her “opponents”.

Elizabeth Warren isn’t running but she and Clinton met back in Dec, with Clinton soliciting policy ideas from Warren. It was described as a ‘cordial meeting”. nytimes.com

340 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2015 11:57:55am

re: #335 Belafon

Because they’re not the same type of law: washingtonpost.com.

Most of the laws that currently exist were state extensions of the federal RFRA when the SCOTUS ruled that it didn’t apply at the state level.

Kentucky’s law took effect last year.

341 Varek Raith  Mar 28, 2015 12:00:52pm

Just wait until I forbid people wearing mixed cloths from entering my establishment.
Or if you eat seafood.

342 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2015 12:01:36pm
343 Varek Raith  Mar 28, 2015 12:02:20pm

Sorry, Indiana Conservatives, There’s Nothing in the Bible that Forbids Selling Things to Gay People

The question remains, however, if a religious objection is based on a business-owner being worried about violating biblical dogma and potentially committing a sin, where’s the chapter and verse pertaining to selling cakes to gay people?

In other words, where’s the part of the Bible in which God or any other character condemns the selling of goods and services to gay people or gay couples as a trespass? Don’t bother trying to find it because it’s not in there. The Bible has a few lines condemning same-sex intercourse, but there aren’t any 𠇊ctivist judges” or lawmakers forcing Christians to engage in gay sex, requiring a series of “religious freedom” laws.

344 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 12:04:47pm

Trains vs personal vehicles: No contest

5 Injured, 1 Critically, After Light-Rail Train Collides With Vehicles Near USC

ktla.com

345 jaunte  Mar 28, 2015 12:05:01pm

So apparently allergic reactions to Benzonatate include one’s wife hallucinating “a history of unreported domestic violence.”

346 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 12:10:26pm

re: #345 jaunte

And a guy with his “IQ”…go figure. ////

347 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 12:14:04pm
348 Dark_Falcon  Mar 28, 2015 12:15:43pm

re: #345 jaunte

[Embedded content]

So apparently allergic reactions to Benzonatate include one’s wife hallucinating “a history of unreported domestic violence.”

This guy is such a dirtbag that even Twitter won’t let him back after blocking him. Hopefully, they throw the book at him, because America will be better and a little safer while this fucker is incarcerated.

349 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2015 12:21:23pm

Got some Hungarian chicken paprikash (grandma’s recipe) started on the stove.

Haven’t even gotten to the sour cream part and my tastebuds are already reacting to the the lovely aromas.

350 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 12:22:02pm

Why are they counting votes when everyone hasn’t voted yet? Well as long as they don’t announce the results?

351 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2015 12:23:33pm

re: #350 Justanotherhuman

Why are they counting votes when everyone hasn’t voted yet? Well as long as they don’t announce the results?

[Embedded content]

Nice subliminal Chicago image there…

352 Skip Intro  Mar 28, 2015 12:24:00pm

re: #348 Dark_Falcon

This guy is such a dirtbag that even Twitter won’t let him back after blocking him. Hopefully, they throw the book at him, because America will be better and a little safer while this fucker is incarcerated.

It’s probably a misdemeanor at best. Todd will continue to remain free to be the complete asshole that he is.

353 Dark_Falcon  Mar 28, 2015 12:26:29pm

re: #351 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nice subliminal Chicago image there…

Very apt, but in Chicago the early counting takes place in a closed room and after its done the counters stuff the ballot box with enough votes to ensure victory for the Machine’s candidates.

354 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2015 12:29:02pm

Meanwhile in Kentucky:

355 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 12:30:22pm

So, 1, or 2 cars (as reported earlier)? LAT won’t let me past the paywall. Some injured on the train, I would think.

Update: At least 21 people hurt when train collides with a car near University of Southern California, fire official says; 1 person critically hurt - @latimes
read more on latimes.com

356 Varek Raith  Mar 28, 2015 12:31:34pm

It boggles my mind that people play games with cars at train crossings.

357 Romantic Heretic  Mar 28, 2015 12:37:21pm

re: #330 Timothy Watson

In other news, why does a Shia militiaman have a M-4 with an optical sight?

Because weapons are the world’s biggest business and pretty much everything classified as a weapon is for sale.

358 goddamnedfrank  Mar 28, 2015 12:39:21pm

re: #345 jaunte

[Embedded content]

So apparently allergic reactions to Benzonatate include one’s wife hallucinating “a history of unreported domestic violence.”

Kincannon kits every d-bag note in the playbook.

Here’s what happened last night: I had a severe upper respiratory infection, and I’m the kind of guy who never goes to the doctor. I finally went and was prescribed something called Benzonatate for my cough. I’d never taken it before, and took it for the first time last night. Basically, I went completely crazy after taking it. I don’t even remember all of it. My wife called 911 because she was worried about me and my behavior was way out of character and erratic, and she was afraid for her safety and mine. The cops came and they called EMS, and EMS took me to Lexington Medical Center. My blood pressure on scene was something like 190 over 130 and I was tachycardic. The ER doctor at LMC saw me and I was diagnosed … with an allergic reaction to Benzonatate. Apparently a very small percentage of people go absolutely nuts when they take the stuff, and I’m apparently in that very small percentage. I had calmed down by the time I got to LMC and they let me go after a brief evaluation. I’m totally fine now and not taking any more Benzonatate.
They need to add a warning label to Benzonatate: “Warning: May cause people to go completely nuts.”

Kincannon attached a photo of a prescription bottle of Benzonatate with his name on the label. He later added that the reaction was “most likely my fault for chewing the capsule and accidentally overdosing.” He adds: “You’d think a guy with my IQ would know better, but I have to admit I didn’t pay any attention to the instructions when I took the stuff. I just wanted to stop coughing my head off and took the prescription without reading the label. Lesson learned, and as Admiral James T. Kirk would say, ‘double dumbass’ on me. (That’s a Star Trek IV reference in case you’re curious.)”

Blame the medication, brags about IQ, preemptively mainsplains well known Star Trek reference, pointedly ignores past history of violent threats. These are all hallmarks of the North American conservative douchebag.

359 wrenchwench  Mar 28, 2015 12:39:25pm
360 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 12:40:32pm

A thousand protest austerity measures in Ontario

361 Dark_Falcon  Mar 28, 2015 12:47:35pm

re: #357 Romantic Heretic

Because weapons are the world’s biggest business and pretty much everything classified as a weapon is for sale.

Are you sure? I’d think oil is bigger, in term of dollars anyways. But you’ve got a point and here’s something that supports said point:

9K32M MANPADS components offered for sale in Libya via social media

Trying to figure out how to curtail this trade via social media is a rational response to this story. The other response is the Wingnut Response, which consists of screaming “BENGHAZI!!1 over and over again.

362 goddamnedfrank  Mar 28, 2015 12:53:47pm
She went on to tell the deputy that, while Kincannon was driving the car in a Chick-fil-A parking lot at about 5 mph, she attempted to get out of the vehicle, but “James grabbed Ashely’s arm, squeezing it tightly, thus preventing her from exiting the vehicle,” according to the report. She told the deputy that she hit Kincannon’s arm several times in an attempt to escape, but Kincannon accelerated and she was unable to get out.

Redneck domestic assault and kidnapping in a Chik-fil-A parking lot of all the possible places, because of course where else. Fate is one hilarious bitch and she knows how to write stage directions.

363 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 12:56:51pm

Update: Los Angeles fire department says 10 people transported to hospital after train collides with car; 1 person critical, 1 grave condition - statement
end of alert

364 Dark_Falcon  Mar 28, 2015 1:00:12pm

re: #356 Varek Raith

It boggles my mind that people play games with cars at train crossings.

It astounds me as well, but Chicagoland has not seen a season in my lifetime where someone didn’t get killed after making a stupid mistake and trying to get by an oncoming train. Seriously, that happens at least half-a-dozen times a year around here.

365 Dr Lizardo  Mar 28, 2015 1:05:20pm

OT, but seeing it’s the weekend, I just found a solid action movie from the 1970s - and an underrated one, I’d say.

The Seven-Ups, starring Roy Schneider. And the car chase sequence in this film is one of the best. Check it out.

366 Charles Johnson  Mar 28, 2015 1:05:49pm
367 Charles Johnson  Mar 28, 2015 1:06:22pm

Editorial: Video About Cornell Dean and ISIS Is Wildly Misleading and dumb

368 Charles Johnson  Mar 28, 2015 1:08:20pm

O’Keefe’s latest heavily edited hit job is at that link. It’s just as ludicrous as you might imagine.

369 Dark_Falcon  Mar 28, 2015 1:08:31pm

re: #367 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Editorial: Video About Cornell Dean and ISIS Is Wildly Misleading and dumb

The Dean ought to sue O’Keefe for liabel.

BBL

370 The Mountain That Blogs  Mar 28, 2015 1:11:22pm
They need to add a warning label to Benzonatate: “Warning: May cause people to go completely nuts.”

It’s not written in huge letters on the box because it’s pretty rare, but psych symptoms (hallucinations, weird behavior) are actually a known side effect of that stuff.

371 Skip Intro  Mar 28, 2015 1:14:24pm

re: #358 goddamnedfrank

So the little woman over-reacted. And still we allow them to vote.

372 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 1:14:33pm

You probably wouldn’t want to eat there anyway…

One Restaurant Already Celebrated ‘Religious Liberty’ By Turning Away Gays

thinkprogress.org

“An Indiana business owner went on a local radio station and said that he had discriminated against gay or lesbian couples even before Gov. Mike Pence (R) signed a law on Thursday protecting business owners who decide to discriminate for “religious liberty” reasons. He then defended the practice and suggested he would do it again.

“The business owner, who would not give his name or the name of his business, said he had told some LGBT “people” that equipment was broken in his restaurant and he couldn’t serve them even though it wasn’t and other people were already eating at the tables. “So, yes, I have discriminated,” he told RadioNOW 100.9 hosts. The hosts were surprised the owner said he was okay with discriminating.

“Well, I feel okay with it because it’s my place of business, I pay the rent, I’ve built it with all my money and my doing. It’s my place; I can do whatever I want with it, “he said. “They can have their lifestyle and do their own thing in their own place or with people that want to be with them.” More

Cowardly move, not giving his name and name of restaurant. Yeah, these people are principled. Not.

373 The Mountain That Blogs  Mar 28, 2015 1:15:56pm

re: #372 Justanotherhuman

“Well, I feel okay with it because it’s my place of business, I pay the rent, I’ve built it with all my money and my doing. It’s my place; I can do whatever I want with it, “he said. “They can have their lifestyle and do their own thing in their own place or with people that want to be with them.”

This is Rand Paul’s exact reasoning for why he is against the Civil Rights Act, yes?

374 Amory Blaine  Mar 28, 2015 1:18:21pm

re: #339 Justanotherhuman

375 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 1:22:28pm

re: #373 The Mountain That Blogs

This is Rand Paul’s exact reasoning for why he is against the Civil Rights Act, yes?

Well, when the LGBT cops, firefighters, etc. come to his rescue, is he going to say, No?

Notice also that he rents, doesn’t own, the premises. Wonder what the landlord thinks, if s/he knows?

376 Charles Johnson  Mar 28, 2015 1:23:46pm
377 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2015 1:25:21pm
378 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2015 1:26:47pm

re: #376 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

It’s OK because THEY DO IT TOO!!11!!

379 Amory Blaine  Mar 28, 2015 1:27:46pm

re: #376 Charles Johnson

Extend a hearty fuck you, from me!

380 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 1:27:52pm

re: #377 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s so idiotic as to be embarrassing.

381 Targetpractice  Mar 28, 2015 1:30:33pm

re: #372 Justanotherhuman

You probably wouldn’t want to eat there anyway…

One Restaurant Already Celebrated ‘Religious Liberty’ By Turning Away Gays

thinkprogress.org

“An Indiana business owner went on a local radio station and said that he had discriminated against gay or lesbian couples even before Gov. Mike Pence (R) signed a law on Thursday protecting business owners who decide to discriminate for “religious liberty” reasons. He then defended the practice and suggested he would do it again.

“The business owner, who would not give his name or the name of his business, said he had told some LGBT “people” that equipment was broken in his restaurant and he couldn’t serve them even though it wasn’t and other people were already eating at the tables. “So, yes, I have discriminated,” he told RadioNOW 100.9 hosts. The hosts were surprised the owner said he was okay with discriminating.

“Well, I feel okay with it because it’s my place of business, I pay the rent, I’ve built it with all my money and my doing. It’s my place; I can do whatever I want with it, “he said. “They can have their lifestyle and do their own thing in their own place or with people that want to be with them.” More

Cowardly move, not giving his name and name of restaurant. Yeah, these people are principled. Not.

This is why I always get a laugh out of those libertarians who tell me that capitalism and the “free market” will do away with such views, that businesses which discriminate will be punished with lower revenues and fewer customers until the only businesses that remain are those that don’t discriminate. Because the reality is that jackasses like this will use anonymity to hide their bigotry, will always deny it when called out, and can expect plenty of fellow bigots to support them rather than shun them.

382 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 1:32:38pm

Obviously they knew they weren’t welcomed there? Police were out in riot gear…

Update: Police announce PEGIDA cancels march in Montreal - @sarahleavittcbc
see original on twitter.com

Probably more anti-protesters than PEGIDA types anyway.

383 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 1:34:03pm
384 Charles Johnson  Mar 28, 2015 1:34:28pm
385 HappyWarrior  Mar 28, 2015 1:36:59pm

re: #373 The Mountain That Blogs

This is Rand Paul’s exact reasoning for why he is against the Civil Rights Act, yes?

Yes pretty much. It’s a load of crap.

386 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 1:37:58pm

re: #384 Charles Johnson

“What’s remarkable to us about Skorton’s statement is not what it said but that it needed to be released at all.

“This was the case, regrettably, because the video has been taken seriously by media outlets in sites such as Fox News, syracuse.com, cnycentral.com, Capital New York and Mediaite.

“These writers hide behind a veil of “reporting” on an event, trying to distance themselves from the claims in O’Keefe’s video. But by neutrally recirculating the video’s claims, they are complicit in its ethical lapses.”

ithacavoice.com

387 HappyWarrior  Mar 28, 2015 1:38:29pm

re: #381 Targetpractice

This is why I always get a laugh out of those libertarians who tell me that capitalism and the “free market” will do away with such views, that businesses which discriminate will be punished with lower revenues and fewer customers until the only businesses that remain are those that don’t discriminate. Because the reality is that jackasses like this will use anonymity to hide their bigotry, will always deny it when called out, and can expect plenty of fellow bigots to support them rather than shun them.

You only have Chik-a-Fila to see the absurdity of their argument. Plenty of right wing assholes eat Chik-A-Filay precisely becaues they supported the Cathy family’s bigotry towards gays.

388 Charles Johnson  Mar 28, 2015 1:40:08pm
389 HappyWarrior  Mar 28, 2015 1:42:36pm

re: #388 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Yeah about that. The ACORN employee he tried claiming was complicit in pimping was in fact calling the police. James O’Keefe is nothing but a slimy little scam artist who does this shit because he’s a pathetic right wing grifter.

390 Charles Johnson  Mar 28, 2015 1:43:45pm
391 HappyWarrior  Mar 28, 2015 1:45:03pm

I don’t think O’Keefe has ever had an honest video.

392 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2015 1:49:06pm

re: #391 HappyWarrior

I don’t think O’Keefe has ever had an honest video.

And, to be totally honest, his videos are total crap in a technical sense.

393 HappyWarrior  Mar 28, 2015 1:53:40pm

re: #392 Backwoods_Sleuth

And, to be totally honest, his videos are total crap in a technical sense.

Heh yeah there is that too. Not to mention his costumes. Yeah James, someone actually thought you were a real pimp and that was actually Osama Bin Laden. If I were one of the ACORN employees and he tried pulling that shit on me, I’d ask him to go back to the costume warehouse.

394 Belafon  Mar 28, 2015 1:53:56pm

re: #387 HappyWarrior

You only have Chik-a-Fila to see the absurdity of their argument. Plenty of right wing assholes eat Chik-A-Filay precisely becaues they supported the Cathy family’s bigotry towards gays.

Yep, the market is a majority of the money vote. The problem is that the rich - with the help of Republicans - are turning our democracy into that.

395 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 2:04:02pm

re: #394 Belafon

Yep, the market is a majority of the money vote. The problem is that the rich - with the help of Republicans - are turning our democracy into that.

For instance, the CFL over in Mooresville, not far from here, appears to be packed at meal times (at least when I’ve driven by), but expectd in that rich little town which calls itself “Race City”. Here’s the kicker, though: They actually tore down the old bldg (which was perfectly fine) and replaced it, to gain variances. It doesn’t appear that the acquired any addl land, though, and they had their financiers there the town mtg and got their rubber stamp.

ci.mooresville.nc.us

There was nothing wrong with the property other than they couldn’t squeeze enough cars in without running over people.

396 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 2:14:59pm

Yeah, just give up because you need a license. And have to pay taxes.

USDA herding internet’s celebrity llamas out of the spotlight, owners say
Couple says officials require a llama license to publicly display the famously fleeing animals: ‘They just totally destroyed my retirement’

theguardian.com

Uh, because she’s an animal, and didn’t appreciate being on display? Maybe pining for the herd?

“We figured she would come back. That was a lesson learned. I couldn’t believe she didn’t come back,” Bullis said.”

397 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2015 2:27:29pm

re: #396 Justanotherhuman

My guess (as a farmer with livestock who is very familiar with USDA regulations) is that these people are completely misrepresenting whatever “letter” they claim they got from USDA.

398 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 28, 2015 2:31:10pm
399 jaunte  Mar 28, 2015 2:36:02pm

re: #396 Justanotherhuman

“The annual license fee for licensed animal exhibitors (Class C) ranges from $30 to $300, depending on the number of regulated animals held. In addition to the annual license fee, an application fee of $10 must be paid with all yearly license applications.”
aphis.usda.gov

400 Kragar  Mar 28, 2015 2:37:42pm

re: #388 Charles Johnson

“Christian, Conservative, Southerner!”

Well, there is your problem right there.

401 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 2:38:12pm

re: #397 Backwoods_Sleuth

Either that, or maybe there is a special thing about exhibiting farm animals or putting them on exhibit, as these people seem to be doing?

402 Justanotherhuman  Mar 28, 2015 2:39:02pm

re: #399 jaunte

OK, didn’t see that. Just got back…

403 RealityBasedSteve  Mar 28, 2015 2:39:47pm

re: #399 jaunte

“The annual license fee for licensed animal exhibitors (Class C) ranges from $30 to $300, depending on the number of regulated animals held. In addition to the annual license fee, an application fee of $10 must be paid with all yearly license applications.”
aphis.usda.gov

Our Forefathers would be rolling in their graves if they knew the country they founded now required an unconstitutional LLama LLicence

404 Great White Snark  Mar 28, 2015 2:39:48pm

re: #396 Justanotherhuman

Where I work which is a small biz, just paid the annual permit fees. The fees that permit us to run the required (by any sane measure legal or moral) pollution control devices. And the permit / per mission to generate the waste the devices control. $3,800.

What was the complaint?

405 The War TARDIS  Mar 28, 2015 3:14:07pm

re: #361 Dark_Falcon

Muslim Brotherhood wackos are selling it. Notice how it mentioned the sellers were based in Misrata.


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