Indiana GOP Shocked - SHOCKED - People Think ‘Religious Freedom’ Law Is Anti-Gay

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Spoiler, for those not aware of how the GOP operates: they’re not really shocked. They knew exactly what they were doing. In some circles, this tactic is known as “lying.”

WASHINGTON — Indiana’s Republican leaders said they were shocked, confused and completely caught off-guard by the backlash to their new “religious freedom” law, telling reporters Monday that they had not expected criticism calling the measure anti-gay.

“I don’t think anyone anticipated that the characterization of the bill would be, this denies to services to a specific class to Hoosiers. It does just the opposite. It includes all Hoosiers in the religious freedom standard. And it’s a misperception that it denies services,” said Indiana state House Speaker Brian Bosma (R) during a Monday morning press conference with Indiana Senate President Pro Tem David Long (R).

Long acknowledged that the GOP-controlled legislature did not work with lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender rights groups on crafting the language of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act because the lawmakers didn’t think the bill would affect that community.

It is to laugh.

UPDATE at 3/30/15 12:36:00 pm by Charles Johnson

I should point out that critics of this bill understand it’s designed to protect people who deny services to gays. Nobody has said the bill itself “denies services” to LGBT people. This is a classic GOP misdirection.

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212 comments
1 HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2015 11:23:52am

They were shocked too that there was gambling in the casino. Really Indiana Republicans, you’re not fooling anyone with this crap. We saw who the people who wrote the bill were, we saw who Governor Pence had by his side as he signed it, and we saw the anti-gay business owners rejoicing. Really enjoy your state’s economy going in the crapper because you care more about appeasing anti-gay bigots than living in the 21st century. Was it worth it assholes?

2 Lidane  Mar 30, 2015 11:23:56am
3 jaunte  Mar 30, 2015 11:24:37am
And it’s a misperception that it denies services,” said Indiana state House Speaker Brian Bosma (R)

Yes, that’s just left up to the individual bigot.

4 Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2015 11:26:24am
5 jaunte  Mar 30, 2015 11:27:28am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

That doesn’t even make it through the wingnut logic filter.

6 HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2015 11:27:39am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

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Uh Chuckles, gay bars don’t refuse to serve to straight people any more than Irish pubs refuse to serve to non-Irish.

7 Skip Intro  Mar 30, 2015 11:27:43am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

CCJ is incredibly dense, isn’t he?

8 Justanotherhuman  Mar 30, 2015 11:27:56am

One thing Indiana lawmakers did learn from this is that not everyone in this country is a narrow-minded bigot who thinks religion rules everything.

9 Frenchy  Mar 30, 2015 11:28:12am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Uh…wut.

10 HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2015 11:28:14am

re: #5 jaunte

That doesn’t even make it through the wingnut logic filter.

I think he’s claiming that gay bars “discriminate” against straight people.

11 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 11:28:29am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

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Gee, I wonder if CCJ thinks that might be a negative?

12 jaunte  Mar 30, 2015 11:29:00am

re: #10 HappyWarrior

Simple ignorance, then.

13 Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2015 11:29:47am

Malloy has been married for more than 30 years and has three sons. That doesn’t necessarily mean he isn’t gay, of course. But Chuck is full of shit, that we know.

14 HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2015 11:29:52am

re: #12 jaunte

Simple ignorance, then.

Plain old stupidity. No bar is going to turn down a paying customer over the age of 21.

15 Tigger2  Mar 30, 2015 11:30:40am

Pence did you stop and think that the reason people think the Religious Freedom Law Is a Anti-Gay Law is because it is a Anti-Gay Law.

16 Tigger2  Mar 30, 2015 11:31:26am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

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That is so damn stupid.

17 Dr. Matt  Mar 30, 2015 11:31:49am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

The Connecticut governor Dan Malloy is rumored to attend gay bars so his #BoycottIndiana move is pretty ridiculous.
— Charles C. Johnson (@ChuckCJohnson) March 30, 2015

18 HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2015 11:32:15am

Pence knew it was an anti gay law. Pence had a notoriously anti-gay record in Congress. He knows who his RR masters are.

19 Dr. Matt  Mar 30, 2015 11:32:46am

CCJ sure spends a lot of timing “outing” gay politicians. Someone page Dr. Freud.

20 Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2015 11:33:22am
21 b.d.  Mar 30, 2015 11:34:10am

Have they tried blaming Obama for this yet?

22 HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2015 11:34:28am

re: #20 Charles Johnson

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Yep and no matter what MBFs may say, these guys represent a large voice of the Republican party’s base when it comes to gay people.

23 HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2015 11:34:38am

re: #21 b.d.

Have they tried blaming Obama for this yet?

Give it a day or two.

24 Iwouldprefernotto  Mar 30, 2015 11:34:50am

I would like one conservative to answer this question: Why do we need this law?

25 #FergusonFireside  Mar 30, 2015 11:35:00am

re: #20 Charles Johnson

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Bingo.

Slimy liars.

26 HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2015 11:36:36am

re: #24 Iwouldprefernotto

I would like one conservative to answer this question: Why do we need this law?

Indeed. What is the purpose of this law? The only purpose is to reinstate Jim Crow for gay people. What we need to do is prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation which unfortunately would never pass Congress since Boehner and McConnell are a couple of bigoted jackasses.

27 Lidane  Mar 30, 2015 11:37:10am

re: #21 b.d.

Have they tried blaming Obama for this yet?

28 Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2015 11:39:59am
29 HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2015 11:41:43am

re: #28 Charles Johnson

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There’s something wrong with that guy. I really think his mother should let him use the internet only for school work. I don’t know too much about Trevor Noah. Seems like a good replacement from Jon from what I am hearing though.

30 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 30, 2015 11:41:48am

Religious Freedoms means that bakers are allowed to voice their disapproval of homosexuality.

You might think they would welcome a chance to have a gay couple in there as a captive audience while ordering a cake and also hearing what their Scriptures say about exactly what we should do to men who lie with other men as if they were women…

31 GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 30, 2015 11:41:51am

lol

32 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 11:43:33am
33 HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2015 11:43:44am

re: #31 GlutenFreeJesus

lol

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So are infertile couples “perversions” too. Good grief. Get in the 21st century already. The thought of any RR official having sex makes me queasy but my queasiness doesn’t get to dictate what consenting adults do.

34 jaunte  Mar 30, 2015 11:44:09am

The RW take, from Brent Bozell’s “CNS News”:

(Cybercast News Service (CNS) is a subsidiary of the conservative news monitoring group, the Media Research Center (MRC)

Pence: This Avalanche of Intolerance That’s Been Poured on Our State Is Outrageous

35 jaunte  Mar 30, 2015 11:44:23am

re: #31 GlutenFreeJesus

boohya?

36 Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2015 11:45:29am

Trevor Noah does a great impression of Nelson Mandela, and he has a skit in which he imagines Mandela getting drunk at his birthday party. It’s obvious that he totally respects Mandela, and the humor isn’t mean or mocking in any way.

Chuck is unable to understand humor that isn’t vicious, like many right wingers.

37 jaunte  Mar 30, 2015 11:45:59am

re: #32 Kragar

Good summary.

“…Indiana’s RFRA is categorically different from other “religious freedom” laws, because it includes for-profit businesses under its definition of “persons” capable of religious expression. The Indiana law also allows private individuals and businesses to claim a religious exemption in court “regardless of whether the state or any other governmental entity is a party to the proceeding.”

38 HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2015 11:46:00am

re: #34 jaunte

The RW take, from Brent Bozell’s “CNS News”:

Pence: This Avalanche of Intolerance That’s Been Poured on Our State Is Outrageous

He’s got a lot of nerve to complain about intolerance knowing what he signed and who his allies are. Really Mike go piss up a rope, you are the one who screwed Indiana’s reputation. Maybe if instead of being a homophobic asshole who has his head up the ass of the religious right, you could have vetoed the bill but nah you religious right masters would have complained and said you weren’t a real conservative then because that’s more important than ensuring that your state’s citizens aren’t discriminated against.

39 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 30, 2015 11:46:36am
It does just the opposite. It includes all Hoosiers in the religious freedom standard. And it’s a misperception that it denies services,”

This is some serious, weapons-grade derp here.

40 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 11:46:39am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

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Comments like this say more about Chuck Johnson than it does about Dan Malloy.

41 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2015 11:46:48am

LOL! Such a fantasy life CCJ has:

42 HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2015 11:47:41am

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL! Such a fantasy life CCJ has:

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Didn’t Ted Kennedy quit drinking in the 90’s? I thought I heard that Orrin Hatch helped him quit.

43 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 11:47:54am
44 HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2015 11:49:45am

re: #43 Kragar

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I mean even if Malloy is gay, it doesn’t prove anything. As I got at above, I think Dumdum is seriously trying to imply that gay bars discriminate against straight people. The funny reality is gay bars largely exist due to the fact that gay people have been ostracized for years. Oh and the fact that there’s the joke about how many straight women love gay bars because it keeps the straight guys away.

45 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 30, 2015 11:51:12am

This is going to get worse before it gets better. Expect to see more laws like this in the future.

One thing that surprises me is we have this big kerfuffle in Indiana but what about other states that have laws like this? I remember a few minor outrages but not muc.

46 Romantic Heretic  Mar 30, 2015 11:51:43am

re: #3 jaunte

misperception?

Is that even a word?

47 Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2015 11:52:24am

LOL

48 jaunte  Mar 30, 2015 11:53:03am

Instant Twitter Confirmation.

49 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 30, 2015 11:53:04am

re: #24 Iwouldprefernotto

I would like one conservative to answer this question: Why do we need this law?

To make sure Christian patriot business owners persons don’t have to bake wedding cakes for the gays.

“So this is about refusing service…”

No, no you’re mischaracterizing it. This bill includes all Hoosiers in their Christian liberties….

50 HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2015 11:53:23am

re: #45 Eclectic Cyborg

This is going to get worse before it gets better. Expect to see more laws like this in the future.

One thing that surprises me is we have this big kerfuffle in Indiana but what about other states that have laws like this? I remember a few minor outrages but not muc.

That’s a good point. I think Indiana has a good amount of businesses headquartered there so that could be why there’s been more fuss than usual. I sadly do agree though. It’ll get worse before it gets better. What we really need is a federal ban on discrimination on sexual orientation but that’s not happening anytime soon sadly.

51 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 30, 2015 11:53:38am

re: #47 Charles Johnson

LOL

Gay Communists!!!!!!!!11

52 A Cranky One  Mar 30, 2015 11:54:07am

re: #43 Kragar
Upchuck tweeted:
The Connecticut governor Dan Malloy is rumored to attend gay bars so his #BoycottIndiana move is pretty ridiculous.

Upchuck is rumored to have pooped on the floor and sexually assaulted farm animals. That makes his comment on Dan Malloy pretty ridiculous. ////

53 HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2015 11:54:38am

re: #47 Charles Johnson

LOL

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Racebaiters? Uh Jesse Helms was a Republican as is Mitt Romney and all the other Republicans who accuse black people of wanting “free stuff.” Gay communists? Better a gay communist than a straight conservative reactionary who belongs in the 17th century.

54 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 30, 2015 11:54:46am

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL! Such a fantasy life CCJ has:

Hmmmm. Do I want to know what the f0ck CCJ is talking about here? No, no I probably do not.

55 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 30, 2015 11:55:50am

Keep in mind (I am a native Hoosier who fled the state in 1978) that in Indiana there used to be a listing that read “Fone Company: see Phone Company”

And that during a salmonella scare, people were returning cans of salmon.

56 HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2015 11:55:57am

I’d like to “thank” Ronald Reagan again for giving these homophobic assholes a large voice in the Republican party.

57 BeachDem  Mar 30, 2015 11:56:16am

In the words of Charles P. Pierce:

Mike Pence, the big bag of hammers who governs Indiana…

This may have been the worst performance by a politician on a Sunday Show I ever saw. In fact, it may be the worst performance by a purported human being in he history of television…

Good Lord, how many times a day do they have to water this guy?

Between Pence as its host, and Scottie Walker undoubtedly hanging around the basketball team representing the state university Walker’s trying to gut, this year’s Final Four is going to be five alarms in Shanghai, guaranteed.

esquire.com

58 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2015 11:56:24am
59 Tigger2  Mar 30, 2015 11:56:37am

This little girl talking to the school board in FL about standardized testing is awesome, She gets a standing ovation from the people attending the meeting.

…

60 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 30, 2015 11:56:48am

re: #45 Eclectic Cyborg

This is going to get worse before it gets better. Expect to see more laws like this in the future.

One thing that surprises me is we have this big kerfuffle in Indiana but what about other states that have laws like this? I remember a few minor outrages but not muc.

Do the other states’ versions broadly define who can claim the exemption to include for-profit businesses?

61 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 30, 2015 11:57:49am

re: #56 HappyWarrior

I’d like to “thank” Ronald Reagan again for giving these homophobic assholes a large voice in the Republican party.

There was always a GOP establishment that kept these guys in check, but since 2008, they have been unable or unwilling to challenge or distance themselves from the bigoted lunatic element.

62 HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2015 11:59:05am

re: #61 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

There was always a GOP establishment that kept these guys in check, but since 2008, they have been unable or unwilling to challenge or distance themselves from the bigoted lunatic element.

True true. I am just saying though that RR is the one who brought them into the party and gave them a bigger voice than they had under Ford or Nixon. Reagan used them to be certain but at the same time, he still brought them in.

63 makeitstop  Mar 30, 2015 11:59:32am

re: #45 Eclectic Cyborg

This is going to get worse before it gets better. Expect to see more laws like this in the future.

One thing that surprises me is we have this big kerfuffle in Indiana but what about other states that have laws like this? I remember a few minor outrages but not muc.

This law is substantially different from the Federal law of the same name, as well as most of the state laws. Wonkette’s explanation:

The problem with this statement is that, well, it’s false. That becomes clear when you read and compare those tedious state statutes. If you do that, you will find that the Indiana statute has two features the federal RFRA — and most state RFRAs — do not. First, the Indiana law explicitly allows any for-profit business to assert a right to “the free exercise of religion.” The federal RFRA doesn’t contain such language, and neither does any of the state RFRAs except South Carolina’s; in fact, Louisiana and Pennsylvania, explicitly exclude for-profit businesses from the protection of their RFRAs.

The new Indiana statute also contains this odd language: “A person whose exercise of religion has been substantially burdened, or is likely to be substantially burdened, by a violation of this chapter may assert the violation or impending violation as a claim or defense in a judicial or administrative proceeding, regardless of whether the state or any other governmental entity is a party to the proceeding.” Neither the federal RFRA, nor 18 of the 19 state statutes cited by the Post, says anything like this; only the Texas RFRA, passed in 1999, contains similar language.

Indiana endorses discrimination. That’s the difference.

wonkette.com

64 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 12:00:11pm

re: #44 HappyWarrior

For years, being gay was considered grounds for not being granted a security clearance.

Why? Because that information could be used to blackmail the person.

Why could it be used to black mail them? Because of the social stigma attached to being gay and the persecution they would face if outed.

The same logic applied to multiple facets of society. Military service, elected positions, you name it.

As soon as you removed the stigma, the ability for their sexual identity to be used as a weapon against them disappeared.

The problem is not with LGBT people. The problem is with people who still want to use it as a negative to hurt people.

65 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 30, 2015 12:00:24pm

re: #62 HappyWarrior

True true. I am just saying though that RR is the one who brought them into the party and gave them a bigger voice than they had under Ford or Nixon. Reagan used them to be certain but at the same time, he still brought them in.

Reagan taught them that if they were going to ever get real influence they would have to take control of the party from the grassroots. And here we are thirty years later.

66 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 30, 2015 12:00:30pm

re: #62 HappyWarrior

True true. I am just saying though that RR is the one who brought them into the party and gave them a bigger voice than they had under Ford or Nixon. Reagan used them to be certain but at the same time, he still brought them in.

RR brought them in but largely ignored them, They realized that they could trust nobody and set out to insinuate their people into all levels of government, administration, business and education.

That was over a generation ago and their plans are finally coming to fruition.

67 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 30, 2015 12:01:14pm

re: #65 Feline Fearless Leader

Reagan taught them that if they were going to ever get real influence they would have to take control of the party from the grassroots. And here we are thirty years later.

you beat me by six seconds.

68 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Mar 30, 2015 12:06:13pm

what they really mean is..

Their strong inclination to religious, cultural, and racist supremacism was met by an unexceptionally large public backlash, exposing their real agenda for all to see. This resulted in an atmosphere potentially bad for business.

And business $$$ ultimately is these Republican politician’s real religious inclination and obligation.

69 jaunte  Mar 30, 2015 12:07:20pm

re: #68 Rocky-in-Connecticut

Now they’re just whining about being forced to choose.

70 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 12:09:59pm
71 freetoken  Mar 30, 2015 12:10:13pm

Shocked.
Shocked and Awed.

Because philosophy arises from awe, a philosopher is bound in his way to be a lover of myths and poetic fables. Poets and philosophers are alike in being big with wonder.

Big in wonder
Not in Indiana.

72 GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 30, 2015 12:11:59pm

re: #64 Kragar

Reminds me of that scene from Clue where Mr. Green “outs” himself.

73 Dr. Matt  Mar 30, 2015 12:12:11pm
74 allegro  Mar 30, 2015 12:12:20pm

re: #66 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

RR brought them in but largely ignored them, They realized that they could trust nobody and set out to insinuate their people into all levels of government, administration, business and education.

That was over a generation ago and their plans are finally coming to fruition.

They were never the least bit secretive about it either. Back in the 80s when all this got seriously started, I couldn’t count the number of Republican friends I discussed it with who just blew it off with a hand wave. They insisted that the RR were just a fringe and they could NEVER get away with this shit cuz the mainstream Republicans would never allow it. I was just being hysterical or something by pointing it out as a really bad thing and why from that time I haven’t cast a vote for a Republican.

Sometimes I hate being right.

75 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 30, 2015 12:14:07pm

re: #57 BeachDem

And even some of the supporters of the bill who were — who appeared with you when you signed the bill, Eric Miller of Advanced America wrote that, “It will protect those who oppose gay marriage.” He put up this example. He said, “Christian bakers, florists and photographers should not be punished for refusing to participate in a homosexual marriage.”

“No, no, you’re misrepresenting us fine Indiana folk and here and intolerance and two way streets and rhetoric and Freedom. “

76 Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2015 12:16:03pm

This guy.

77 Mattand  Mar 30, 2015 12:16:54pm
Long acknowledged that the GOP-controlled legislature did not work with lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender rights groups on crafting the language of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act because the lawmakers didn’t think the bill would affect that community.

The older I get, the more difficult it is for me not to write off entire states as cesspools of ignorant, religious bigots.

It’s not fair to the people who aren’t. I know that logically. But it does mean a majority of citizens look at a Ted Cruz or Mike Pence or Michelle Bachmann and go “Yeah, that’s the kind of leadership we want.”

78 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2015 12:17:01pm

Here’s Kentucky’s RFRA that was enacted in 2013:

Government shall not substantially burden a person’s freedom of religion. The right to act or refuse to act in a manner motivated by a sincerely held religious belief may not be substantially burdened unless the government proves by clear and convincing evidence that it has a compelling governmental interest in infringing the specific act or refusal to act and has used the least restrictive means to further that interest. A “burden” shall include indirect burdens such as withholding benefits, assessing penalties, or an exclusion from programs or access to facilities.

Gov. Beshear vetoed it saying it was too broad, too vague, and open to unintended legal and civil rights consequences.
Our General Assembly overrode the veto.

Fun Factoid: the original reason for the bill was in response to a court case in 2011 involving the Amish being required to display reflective triangles on their buggies.

79 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 30, 2015 12:18:57pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

This guy.

CCJ’s guy in Malloy’s camp…..

80 WhatEVs  Mar 30, 2015 12:19:32pm

re: #7 Skip Intro

CCJ is incredibly dense, isn’t he?

Obtuse by choice.

81 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2015 12:20:16pm

CCJ now shitting on JFK’s wartime service.

82 Decatur Deb  Mar 30, 2015 12:20:25pm

When the dust settles, Indiana will have strengthened protections for LSMFT LGBTQ.

Mark Emmert (NCAA): Waiting on clarification

abc7news.com

83 allegro  Mar 30, 2015 12:20:31pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

This guy.

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Hahaha @ CCJ having a friend.

84 Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2015 12:21:36pm

Good grief. He must be hitting the sauce really early today.

85 Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2015 12:21:48pm
86 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2015 12:22:07pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

Good grief. He must be hitting the sauce really early today.

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87 Mattand  Mar 30, 2015 12:22:09pm

Regarding the whole “Let’s not bring in Teh Gayz on a bill that could potentially fuck them over” thing:

I have two relatives in the same family. One will tell you straight out he’s a bigot, and utterly owns every ignorant view he’s ever espoused. The other couches everything in clumsy “I’m not a racist, but this is not fair to white people” speeches.

Three guesses which I one slightly respect more.

Heads up to the Indiana Legislature, particularly the Republicans: if you’re going to write these kind of laws, grow a fucking spine and stop lying about why you do these things. At least everyone will know what they’re dealing with.

88 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 30, 2015 12:22:52pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

Good grief. He must be hitting the sauce really early today.

CCJ’s PT Boats for Truth….

89 Decatur Deb  Mar 30, 2015 12:23:40pm

re: #88 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

CCJ’s PT Boats for Truth….

CCJ built model PT boats.

90 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 30, 2015 12:24:02pm

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

CCJ’s man in Japanese intelligence confirms it!!!!1

91 Lidane  Mar 30, 2015 12:24:17pm

Mah surprise, etc. —

92 BeachDem  Mar 30, 2015 12:24:48pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

He tried but failed to surreptitiously record it.

Probably James O’Keefe, dressed in his guerrilla gorilla disguise.

93 b.d.  Mar 30, 2015 12:25:11pm

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

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CHUCK’S GRANDPAPPY WAS A WORLD CLASS SAILOR AND HERO DURING WW2, DON’T EVER DOUBT HIM!

94 Mattand  Mar 30, 2015 12:25:21pm

Indiana Legislature and Mike Pence remake Casablanca:

“We’re shocked; shocked!, there’s homophobic discrimination going on in this establishment.

95 GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 30, 2015 12:25:54pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

96 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 30, 2015 12:26:22pm

Chuck really likes to watch the world burn doesn’t he?

97 Decatur Deb  Mar 30, 2015 12:26:38pm

too easy, too easy…

98 Flying Squirrel Girl  Mar 30, 2015 12:28:20pm

re: #87 Mattand

Reminds me of my mom, whose response when a distant family member gave birth to a mixed race child was: “I don’t have a problem with it, I just worry for the baby that other people will have a problem with it.”

Edited to include words left out of original

99 WhatEVs  Mar 30, 2015 12:29:12pm

re: #31 GlutenFreeJesus

lol

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100 GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 30, 2015 12:29:56pm

re: #99 WhatEVs

She probably thinks you guys are. Sex for fun is bad, mmmmkay?

101 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 30, 2015 12:31:49pm

re: #99 WhatEVs

not if the vases are an ugly color

102 Lidane  Mar 30, 2015 12:32:38pm
103 Amory Blaine  Mar 30, 2015 12:36:10pm

Are there any republicans in office that self-identify as liberal?

104 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 30, 2015 12:37:17pm

re: #103 Amory Blaine

Are there any republicans in office that self-identify as liberal?

as far as i know there aren’t even any who self-identify as moderate

105 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 30, 2015 12:38:08pm

re: #104 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

as far as i know there aren’t even any who self-identify as moderate

Are they willing to self-identify as Bryan Fisher fearing?
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106 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mar 30, 2015 12:38:19pm

re: #104 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

as far as i know there aren’t even any who self-identify as moderate

let alone human.

107 Lidane  Mar 30, 2015 12:40:55pm

re: #103 Amory Blaine

Are there any republicans in office that self-identify as liberal?

LOL no. They can’t even self-identify as moderate, much less liberal.

And forget about any Republican being openly atheist. That person might as well admit to being a Satanist.

108 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2015 12:41:30pm

Apparently Chuck would rather believe some non-existent Japanese destroyer logs than actual US Navy records.

109 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2015 12:43:41pm
110 KingKenrod  Mar 30, 2015 12:44:29pm

Future UpChuck sources take note: UpChuck is sloppy and loves to brag, so he will almost certainly not-so-surreptitiously out you.

111 Amory Blaine  Mar 30, 2015 12:44:32pm

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

No doubt driving his Prius!
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112 Frenchy  Mar 30, 2015 12:44:49pm

re: #91 Lidane

But the law is definitely, totally not about discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

113 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2015 12:48:39pm
114 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 12:49:09pm

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

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115 Amory Blaine  Mar 30, 2015 12:50:05pm

Scott Walker reiterates his opposition to amnesty

Gov. Scott Walker on Monday reiterated his opposition to amnesty for undocumented workers.

Walker, who recently toured the southern border with Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, said that as president he would first secure the border, then “go on to enforce the laws we already have.”

He said he would require businesses to document that their employees are in this country legally. He did not say whether he would move to immediately deport the estimated 11 million undocumented persons already in this country.

“I do not believe in amnesty for citizenship,” he said. “I believe if someone wants to become a citizen, they need to go back to the country of origin and come into the system like everyone else.

“Then, the next president and Congress will need to work on a policy for what to do about those who are seeking something other than citizenship.”

116 WhatEVs  Mar 30, 2015 12:50:35pm

re: #102 Lidane

Exactly what I said in a prior thread. Pence is done. He can’t get through the primaries if he backs down because the base will fillet him. And the General voters will laugh in his face.

117 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 12:53:01pm

Now I’ve got this dipshit in my mentions

118 GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 30, 2015 12:54:29pm

Wow. So now being gay is criminal.

119 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 12:54:35pm
120 goddamnedfrank  Mar 30, 2015 12:54:43pm

re: #114 Kragar

It’s not like the WWII admiralty were particularly forgiving of captains who lost or endangered their ship through negligence. JFK’s performance was reviewed and found reasonable given the circumstances he faced.

121 Justanotherhuman  Mar 30, 2015 12:54:55pm

re: #115 Amory Blaine

Scott Walker reiterates his opposition to amnesty

Which is why he wants a Mexican embassy in WI.

The faster to try deporting the ill eagles.

122 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 30, 2015 12:55:25pm

re: #119 Kragar

If anyone is an expert on interpreting logs it might be Chuckles.
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123 jaunte  Mar 30, 2015 12:55:52pm

re: #117 Kragar

I doubt she’s reading your link.

“Every other Religious Freedom Restoration Act applies to disputes between a person or entity and a government. Indiana’s is the only law that explicitly applies to disputes between private citizens.”

124 Justanotherhuman  Mar 30, 2015 12:56:13pm

re: #122 Feline Fearless Leader

If anyone is an expert on interpreting logs it might be Chuckles.
//

Because he has the brains of a bump on one?

125 makeitstop  Mar 30, 2015 12:58:09pm

re: #124 Justanotherhuman

Because he has the brains of a bump on one?

He’s dropped a few in his day.

126 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 12:58:17pm

re: #123 jaunte

I doubt she’s reading your link.

I called her a bigoted POS and blocked her when I saw her gays are criminals comment.

127 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 30, 2015 12:59:33pm

re: #117 Kragar

Now I’ve got this dipshit in my mentions

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Good grief, is there some kind of contest to become the SMOTI (in this case Stupidest Moron On The Internet) between Dim Jim, Upchuck & this one?

128 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2015 12:59:50pm

re: #119 Kragar

Chuck is such a freaking idiot.

129 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2015 1:01:40pm

LOL! I googled the JFK negligence thing and (I swear I’m not making this up) the coverup was all a plot cooked up by JFK’s father and the Illuminati.

130 jaunte  Mar 30, 2015 1:02:54pm

re: #122 Feline Fearless Leader

If anyone is an expert on interpreting logs it might be Chuckles.

131 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 1:02:56pm
132 GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 30, 2015 1:04:09pm

re: #115 Amory Blaine

Good. Send Ted back to Cuba. In exchange, we all get a box of cigars.

133 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 1:05:12pm

Micah Clark of the American Family Association’s Indiana chapter, who stood right behind Pence, along with several other Religious Right leaders, when he signed the bill into law and has quite a record of anti-gay activism, said today that he opposes any such clarification.

He told AFA President Tim Wildmon today that conservatives should call Pence and other state officials and demand that they oppose any effort to clarify that the law does not legalize discrimination: “That could totally destroy this bill.” (In Georgia, supporters of a similar bill also opposed a push to ensure that the legislation will not permit discrimination in business.)

Wildmon agreed, adding that the Indiana law is necessary to protect anti-gay business owners from “persecution.” The law’s critics, Wildmon claimed, are waging “spiritual warfare” against state officials.
- See more at: rightwingwatch.org

134 jaunte  Mar 30, 2015 1:05:27pm
135 jaunte  Mar 30, 2015 1:06:19pm
136 jaunte  Mar 30, 2015 1:07:06pm
137 Lidane  Mar 30, 2015 1:07:33pm

re: #131 Kragar

I see this bullshit a lot from the RWNJs. It’s tiring.

138 jaunte  Mar 30, 2015 1:07:35pm

Vander Plaats, the objective pollster.

139 Justanotherhuman  Mar 30, 2015 1:08:14pm

re: #133 Kragar

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“Wildmon agreed, adding that the Indiana law is necessary to protect anti-gay business owners from “persecution.”

Yeah, people are so busy nailing crosses together these days…

140 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2015 1:08:44pm
141 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2015 1:09:52pm

re: #135 jaunte

142 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 30, 2015 1:10:07pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL! I googled the JFK negligence thing and (I swear I’m not making this up) the coverup was all a plot cooked up by JFK’s father and the Illuminati.

Oh, there are wheels within wheels in that one. See, Joe Jr. was supposed to become the Pope’s President and JFK would be the AG cracking the whip. Then Joe got kaboomed in that B-17 and JFK became the primary which meant the PT109 couldn’t be allowed to get in the way… < ralph! >

Now, there is no doubt that Joe Sr. saw political careers for his sons as a way to be more legitimate members of society than his Gin running but lets be real…

143 WhatEVs  Mar 30, 2015 1:10:09pm

re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth

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What’s a Creation Scientist? (Joe Sonka’s profile.)

144 Dr. Matt  Mar 30, 2015 1:10:18pm

Did Todd Kincannon really tweet this or is it a photoshop?

145 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2015 1:10:40pm

re: #143 WhatEVs

What’s a Creation Scientist? (Joe Sonka’s profile.)

That’s Joe being sarcastic

146 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 30, 2015 1:11:20pm

re: #131 Kragar

But its not an anti-gay law!! Except for our supporters it is.

147 Amory Blaine  Mar 30, 2015 1:11:49pm

Pence is cancelling appearances, yet the support calls to his office are 4 to 1?

148 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 30, 2015 1:12:00pm

re: #144 Dr. Matt

Did Todd Kincannon really tweet this or is it a photoshop?

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I doubt even he would be stupid enough to say that in public even if he does believe it so my vote is PS.

149 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 30, 2015 1:12:26pm

re: #147 Amory Blaine

Pence is cancelling appearances, yet the support calls to his office is 4 to 1?

Makes perfect sense.

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150 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 30, 2015 1:13:05pm

re: #147 Amory Blaine

Pence is cancelling appearances, yet the support calls to his office are 4 to 1?

Persecution from media, etc.

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151 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2015 1:14:33pm
152 Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2015 1:17:18pm

So Chuck believes “Japanese destroyer logs” instead of eyewitness accounts from US soldiers. Perfect.

153 GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 30, 2015 1:18:08pm

re: #149 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Everyone should want Pence to stand his ground. It shows how much of an asshole he is.

154 Dr Lizardo  Mar 30, 2015 1:18:47pm

Gah…..the stupid from the wingnuts some days is intense. Like pretty much on any day ending in “-y”.

OT, but I’mma go see these guys on Friday the 10th here in Ostrava.

…

Yaay! Jazz!

155 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2015 1:20:47pm

re: #152 Charles Johnson

So Chuck believes “Japanese destroyer logs” instead of eyewitness accounts from US soldiers. Perfect.

His “love of all things Asian” has taken an interesting turn.

156 makeitstop  Mar 30, 2015 1:21:48pm

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

His “love of all things Asian” has taken an interesting turn.

He has hot Japanese destroyer logs.

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157 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2015 1:22:25pm

re: #156 makeitstop

He has hot Japanese destroyer logs.

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I demand to see the pixel analysis!!!

158 Lidane  Mar 30, 2015 1:22:39pm

Reminder: His son is running for President —

159 BadgerB  Mar 30, 2015 1:22:47pm

re: #133 Kragar

Wildmon agreed, adding that the Indiana law is necessary to protect anti-gay business owners from “persecution.” The law’s critics, Wildmon claimed, are waging “spiritual warfare” against state officials.
- See more at: rightwingwatch.org

I always thought when you said that someone was waging “spiritual warfare” it meant you thought God was on their side. [Somehow I don’t think that was what Wildmon intended but it assumes me to imagine the look on his face after someone pointed it out to him.]

160 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 30, 2015 1:23:24pm

I see that the Supreme Court decided not to take up the US Flag T-shirt case. That means that the 9th Circuit Appeals Court decision stands. No explanation given. Various right-wing legal and lobbying groups already whining.

(This was the case from 2010 regarding some school administrators asking some white students wearing US flag T-shirts to change clothes or turn the shirts inside out on Cinco de Mayo. There had been previous incidents at the school previously on that date.)

Wikipedia

161 Justanotherhuman  Mar 30, 2015 1:25:49pm

I hear RWNJs screaming…

Justice Department announces lawsuit against Southeastern Oklahoma State University for alleged discrimination against transgender woman - @Reuters
end of alert

162 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 30, 2015 1:26:48pm

re: #143 WhatEVs

What’s a Creation Scientist? (Joe Sonka’s profile.)

An Oxymoron?

163 Skip Intro  Mar 30, 2015 1:27:07pm

So just how bad is the California drought?

Water lines are visible in a nearly dry section of Lake McClure on March 24, 2015 in Coulterville, Calif. (Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)
164 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 1:28:32pm
165 Lidane  Mar 30, 2015 1:28:38pm

re: #143 WhatEVs

What’s a Creation Scientist? (Joe Sonka’s profile.)

An idiot who thinks that The Flintstones was a documentary.

166 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 30, 2015 1:30:22pm

re: #152 Charles Johnson

So Chuck believes “Japanese destroyer logs” instead of eyewitness accounts from US soldiers. Perfect.

I really don’t want to start looking up at the flimsy basis this is based on.

Besides, what is the destroyer’s log going to say beyond something along the lines of “We stumbled across a torpedo boat in the dark and took quick action to ram it.”

That the Amagiri’s log survived the war is fully possible. The ship itself was sunk in 1944. But that was due to a mine and the ship took two hours to sink. Plenty of time to rescue the log books - and that is assuming that the log from the earlier period in the Solomons had not already been copied and filed ashore in Japan.

167 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 30, 2015 1:31:26pm

re: #159 BadgerB

I always thought when you said that someone was waging “spiritual warfare” it meant you thought God was on their side. [Somehow I don’t think that was what Wildmon intended but it assumes me to imagine the look on his face after someone pointed it out to him.]

This is the evil spiritual warfare…

/

168 Skip Intro  Mar 30, 2015 1:31:50pm

So just how bad is the California drought, part 2.

169 Dr. Matt  Mar 30, 2015 1:32:27pm

re: #152 Charles Johnson

So Chuck believes “Japanese destroyer logs” instead of eyewitness accounts from US soldiers. Perfect.

He’s got a guy inside the Imperial Japanese Navy.

170 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 30, 2015 1:33:28pm

re: #169 Dr. Matt

He’s got a guy inside the Imperial Japanese Navy.

You should ask him how they’re getting along with that “secret” space battleship conversion.
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171 Dr. Matt  Mar 30, 2015 1:34:43pm

Speaking of WWII and Japan, I watched the movie Emperor on my flight this weekend. A decent movie if you have 90 minutes to kill.

172 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 1:41:11pm
173 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 1:42:35pm
174 A Cranky One  Mar 30, 2015 1:43:19pm

re: #164 Kragar

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I’d love to see the Indiana law or similar laws under consideration be challenged on the basis that they implement tenants of Sharia law.

175 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 30, 2015 1:43:29pm

re: #164 Kragar

I see. Opposing Obamacare means you’re a patriot. Opposing Indiana’s RFRA means you’re a bully.

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176 Zamb  Mar 30, 2015 1:46:00pm

MLK was the real intolerant bigot.

177 Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 30, 2015 1:47:42pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

Rod Dreher is having anther case of the pearl clutching vapors over Indiana being critisized by teh gay mafia.

The Indiana law gives business owners recourse to the courts. That’s it. It does not guarantee that they will win. But Epps considers the possibility that the religious business owners might be due some consideration so horrifying that he is unable to tolerate it, and in fact — you knew this was coming — compares the whole thing to Jim Crow racism.

This total political and media freakout over the Indiana law is the real story. It’s a hysterical overreaction that, frankly, is scary as hell….

Over the weekend, a reader wrote to say he had been talking with a thirtysomething “conservative-ish” Evangelical pastor who saw no possible religious-liberty justification for someone to withhold services from same-sex customers (e.g., Christian wedding photographers). The reader said that the pastor could not understand why anybody would have a religiously valid reason to refuse to participate in a commercial transaction with gays. The reader tried pointing out to him that he doesn’t have to agree with the religious person’s reasoning to recognize that their right to be wrong deserves respect, but the pastor could not grasp this.

My reader wrote me to report all this, and to say he’s been skeptical of my dire warnings about where religious liberty is headed in this gay-rights environment — and this is true, as I can tell you from his comments on the blog — but no more. The Law of Merited Impossibility is being validated every day now. Writes the reader: “I agree we’re in trouble.”

He goes on to quote this guy…

Father Dwight Longenecker, a Catholic priest who supports the Indiana RFRA, writes about why it will backfire:

This is because those who are campaigning for total sexual freedom will link the religious freedom laws with freedom to discriminate. It will confirm in their minds what they already feel at a gut level-that the religious people are the enemy. The religious people are the bigots.

They are already doing so, and doing so with violence-verbal and economic violence to start with, but be prepared for legislative violence and then punitive violence.

The “Restoring Religious Freedom” laws will therefore crystallize in people’s minds that religion is all about discrimination and the unthinking hordes will automatically conclude that if a person is religious (and especially Catholic) that they are homophobic bigots-and probably racists too.

The “Restoring Religious Freedom” laws will be portrayed as legalizing discrimination and religious people will be as marginalized as racists.

You got that??

We are the bad guys because we say they are doing hurtful things to us. The nerve!! Don’t we know our place?

Yes, this is happening, and will continue to happen. And it’s going to happen because corporate America and the media are all-in to demonize religious conservatives. The pro-SSM libertarian David Harsanyi notes that many in the media — not op-ed media, but straight-news media — frame their reports as if there were no actual religious liberty issues at stake here. That it’s all made-up by right-wingers and theocrats.

Here comes Drehers inevitable whine concerning his farcical, made-up “Law of Merited Impossibility” (also known as the Law of Merited Whirlwind Reaping or the Law of Unintended Consequences”, since Rod refuses to account for people outside his belief structure…)

Notre Dame’s Pat Deneen wrote this weekend on Facebook that law school friends tell him of plans underway now by progressive law profs to “Bob Jones” churches and religious institutions that have policies they consider discriminatory against LGBT people. That is, they want to campaign to take away tax exempt status from all religious entities that have traditional views and practices related to homosexuality. This is the next frontier. Many churches and religious entities operate so close to the margins, budget-wise, that they will not be able to survive this.

This is coming. Remember when they told us that SSM would not affect the rest of us? Do you now see that this was a lie? As I have been saying:

The Law Of Merited Impossibility is an epistemological construct governing the paradoxical way overclass opinion makers frame the discourse about the clash between religious liberty and gay civil rights. It is best summed up by the phrase, “It’s a complete absurdity to believe that Christians will suffer a single thing from the expansion of gay rights, and boy, do they deserve what they’re going to get.”

If the Indiana witch hunt doesn’t convince you of the truth of the Law of Merited Impossibility, you are deluded.

His tears are delicious. Also, two drinks for hating the free market AND witch hunts!

178 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 30, 2015 1:53:01pm

re: #176 Zamb

MLK was the real intolerant bigot.

So did you forget your sarc //// or are you an idiot? Got a fair bit of karma but I don’t recog the nic.

179 Aunty Entity Dragon  Mar 30, 2015 1:53:07pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

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NOT THE ONION

“A lot of everyday people have gay friends, and they’re not afraid to call and/or e-mail you to tell you that,” Pence said. “To be honest, I’m still trying to process it all.”

Pence said that from what he has been able to gather thus far, the phenomenon of “ordinary folks” having gay friends “has been going on for years.”

“You could be walking down the street, and without you knowing it, this person is friends with gays and that person is, too,” he said. “It really seems to be pretty widespread.”

“It’s the darnedest thing,” he added.

While Pence acknowledged that he has “no gay friends personally,” the growing popularity of being friends with gays has made him question whether he has been “missing the boat on this.”

Okay, it is satire…but damn…

Poe’s Law: Without a blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of extremism or fundamentalism that someone won’t mistake for the real thing.[3]

Pence, from what I have read, really is that stupid according to people who have interviewed him. Sarah Palin type uninformed but aggressively confidant stupid.

180 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 30, 2015 1:57:01pm

re: #171 Dr. Matt

Speaking of WWII and Japan, I watched the movie Emperor on my flight this weekend. A decent movie if you have 90 minutes to kill.

The main character in that movie, Bonner Fellers, was a pro-Taft Bircher after the war. Some people don’t learn.

181 Lidane  Mar 30, 2015 1:59:03pm

re: #177 Aunty Entity Dragon

Rod Dreher bleated:

The Indiana law gives business owners recourse to the courts. That’s it.

Er, no. It allows private individuals to use the RFRA as a defense if they’re sued by another private individual. That’s different from the other similar laws on the books. And it removes any recourse that victims of discrimination have in court.

182 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 2:02:21pm
183 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 2:04:31pm
184 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 30, 2015 2:04:37pm

re: #143 WhatEVs

What’s a Creation Scientist? (Joe Sonka’s profile.)

studied paleontology under mary baker eddy

186 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2015 2:06:48pm

Joe Sonka uses “creation scientist” in his twitter profile as sarcasm.
Joe is famous in Kentucky for crashing Ken Ham’s AIG events.

187 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2015 2:09:58pm
188 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 30, 2015 2:11:24pm

re: #177 Aunty Entity Dragon

Witch hunt!!! Violence!!!!1 They think we’re all bigots!!! Just because we want religious protection to discriminate!!!!

189 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 30, 2015 2:12:58pm

re: #177 Aunty Entity Dragon

Over the weekend, a reader wrote to say he had been talking with a thirtysomething “conservative-ish” Evangelical pastor who saw no possible religious-liberty justification for someone to withhold services from same-sex customers (e.g., Christian wedding photographers). The reader said that the pastor could not understand why anybody would have a religiously valid reason to refuse to participate in a commercial transaction with gays. The reader tried pointing out to him that he doesn’t have to agree with the religious person’s reasoning to recognize that their right to be wrong deserves respect, but the pastor could not grasp this.

It’s a bummer when even your pastor buddies don’t want to play along with the scam…..

/

190 Lidane  Mar 30, 2015 2:13:21pm

re: #183 Kragar

You’d think Indianapolis was about to host a big sporting event or something.

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Good for Mayor Ballard.

191 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 30, 2015 2:15:33pm

re: #181 Lidane

Rod Dreher bleated:

Er, no. It allows private individuals to use the RFRA as a defense if they’re sued by another private individual. That’s different from the other similar laws on the books. And it removes any recourse that victims of discrimination have in court.

“Business owners” don’t have “access to the courts” now?

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192 allegro  Mar 30, 2015 2:16:59pm

re: #191 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

“Business owners” don’t have “access to the courts” now?

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They had access, just no defense for their indefensible hatred and assholity.

193 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2015 2:17:27pm

re: #191 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

“Business owners” don’t have “access to the courts” now?

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Only the Christian business owners.
They are all Sharia courts in Indiana now…

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194 makeitstop  Mar 30, 2015 2:17:40pm

re: #182 Kragar

We’re canceling our 5/7 show in Indianapolis. “Indiana Religious Freedom Restoration Act” feels like thinly disguised legal discrimination.

Good for them. Tweedy’s a good joe.

195 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 2:18:13pm

“Pro-lifers” are such pieces of shit:

196 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 30, 2015 2:20:00pm

re: #177 Aunty Entity Dragon

Hiding in that minister’s heart is the true teaching. It may not have fully percolated up yet but the truth is hiding in there somewhere and that minister will teach it sooner or later.

197 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 30, 2015 2:21:25pm

re: #177 Aunty Entity Dragon

The pro-SSM libertarian David Harsanyi notes that many in the media — not op-ed media, but straight-news media — frame their reports as if there were no actual religious liberty issues at stake here. That it’s all made-up by right-wingers and theocrats.

Amazing, that.

/

198 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 30, 2015 2:21:56pm

re: #195 Kragar

Military. Pro-life. Rosary. Military.

Weird.

199 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2015 2:22:15pm

Since Ted Kennedy quit drinking in 1992, I guess Chuck was underage (3 years old).

200 Nyet  Mar 30, 2015 2:26:45pm

…oh wait, humans can’t think without the cerebral cortex which develops only late in pregnancy. Never mind.

201 Nyet  Mar 30, 2015 2:28:29pm

re: #199 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Since Ted Kennedy quit drinking in 1992, I guess Chuck was underage (3 years old).

I think that explains everything.

202 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 30, 2015 2:30:17pm

re: #200 Nyet

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…oh wait, humans can’t think without the cerebral cortex which begins to develop only late in pregnancy. Never mind.

Fetus worshipper. Not worth the electrons.

I once asked a pro-lifer about all those fertilizations that naturally fail, either by failing to implant or via natural miscarriage - did THEY have souls? Were THEY babies?

The answer was that God knew which ones were not going to make it, and didn’t spend any souls on them.

So I asked whether God knew which were going to be aborted, and why did he spend a soul on them?

No real answer to that one.

203 Nyet  Mar 30, 2015 2:34:05pm

re: #202 Blind Frog Belly White

If a baby is aborted, it goes straight to heaven. (Not everybody thinks so, but their God is a sadistic monster, so let’s fuggedaboutit.) If the baby grows up, chances are, it will go to hell. (Oh, any God with hell is also a sadistic monster, but we’re stuck with this, so let’s go on). So isn’t abortion the greatest blessing from a fundie perspective?

204 allegro  Mar 30, 2015 2:36:20pm

re: #202 Blind Frog Belly White

Fetus worshipper. Not worth the electrons.

I once asked a pro-lifer about all those fertilizations that naturally fail, either by failing to implant or via natural miscarriage - did THEY have souls? Were THEY babies?

The answer was that God knew which ones were not going to make it, and didn’t spend any souls on them.

So I asked whether God knew which were going to be aborted, and why did he spend a soul on them?

No real answer to that one.

Puny god.

205 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 30, 2015 2:41:20pm

re: #204 allegro

Puny god.

Well, yeah. I once summed up a friend’s god for him (he’s Calvinist) and asked what, exactly, he found worthy of praise?

He didn’t like that.

206 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 30, 2015 2:46:17pm

re: #203 Nyet

If a baby is aborted, it goes straight to heaven. (Not everybody thinks so, but their God is a sadistic monster, so let’s fuggedaboutit.) If the baby grows up, chances are, it will go to hell. (Oh, any God with hell is also a sadistic monster, but we’re stuck with this, so let’s go on). So isn’t abortion the greatest blessing from a fundie perspective?

I prefer going with the idea that the soul doesn’t enter till the first breath basing it on Genesis 2:7. That seems to bother fundys more than anything else I’ve found.

207 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 30, 2015 2:46:50pm

re: #204 allegro

Puny god.

Their god is, indeed, even punier than Loki.

208 taserian  Mar 30, 2015 2:46:55pm

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not so fast. A reading of the law gives the state the right to include itself in any dispute involving this law. Which means that IN could choose to join lawsuits where Christians are defendants, but not do so if the case involves other religious beliefs.

209 ObserverArt  Mar 30, 2015 3:44:09pm

re: #147 Amory Blaine

Pence is cancelling appearances, yet the support calls to his office are 4 to 1?

All those fundie religion types are no doubt flooding the phones.

The pissed off people are calling their local politicians and media and forming protests, writing emails and letters, calling radio stations.

Maybe Pence needs to open his office curtains. And be sure to count all the people he sees in the tally with the positive phone calls.

His butt is on fire.

210 Jay C  Mar 30, 2015 3:53:03pm

re: #152 Charles Johnson

So Chuck believes “Japanese destroyer logs” instead of eyewitness accounts from US soldiers. Perfect.

Well, it is a little-know fact that near the end of WWII, the Japanese were running out of torpedoes, so they experimented with sharpening points onto the ends of logs, and launching them at US warships. Maybe PT-109 was just one of the unlucky ones…

211 ObserverArt  Mar 30, 2015 3:59:49pm

re: #199 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Since Ted Kennedy quit drinking in 1992, I guess Chuck was underage (3 years old).

Must have been teething.

And still is on the bottle and needing his diaper changed.

212 Jay C  Mar 30, 2015 4:08:15pm

re: #209 ObserverArt

This sounds to me more like a replay of a story I read about in a dKos diary: a Republican Congresswoman from Washington set up her website to collate “Obamacare horror stories”: and instead, was deluged by a barrage of posts from her constituents about all the benefits they have garnered under the PPACA. Her response? Ignore the positive reports, and post (actually recycle) a couple of unsourced anecdotal gripes - from out-of-state, no less - and used them to “confirm” her anti-Obamacare bitching.

Typical of today’s “conservatives”: if facts reality and public opinion don’t gibe with what you want to hear? Ignore them, make shit up, and then carp about your “victimization” by the “liberal media” - with the sad assurance that your “base” audience won’t know the difference, or care….


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