Indiana Anti-Gay Activist Opposes Mike Pence’s Plan to “Clarify” the RFRA

The anti-gay base keeps giving away the game
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Indiana Gov. Mike Pence has been all over the media yesterday and today, pretending the “Religious Freedom Restoration Act” has nothing to do with discriminating against LGBT people, and today he announced that he’d push for a “clarification” of the bill, to show that it doesn’t do that thing everybody knows it does.

Pence has a problem, though; the anti-gay activists who helped ram this bill through the Indiana legislature are opposed to any such clarification, because of course they are.

Micah Clark of the American Family Association’s Indiana chapter, who stood right behind Pence, along with several other Religious Right leaders, when he signed the bill into law and has quite a record of anti-gay activism, said today that he opposes any such clarification.

He told AFA President Tim Wildmon today that conservatives should call Pence and other state officials and demand that they oppose any effort to clarify that the law does not legalize discrimination: “That could totally destroy this bill.” (In Georgia, supporters of a similar bill also opposed a push to ensure that the legislation will not permit discrimination in business.)

Wildmon agreed, adding that the Indiana law is necessary to protect anti-gay business owners from “persecution.” The law’s critics, Wildmon claimed, are waging “spiritual warfare” against state officials.

Here’s a photo originally posted proudly by Micah Clark, showing Clark and several other anti-gay activists standing with Pence when he signed the RFRA, with annotations added by GLAAD to make it very clear that Pence is simply lying about its intent.

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345 comments
1 GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 30, 2015 2:31:31pm

No reason to clarify. It’s as clear as day.

2 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2015 2:33:18pm
3 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 30, 2015 2:34:19pm

You’re not truly free unless you can deny freedom to people you hate.
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4 Nyet  Mar 30, 2015 2:35:17pm

The mannequins are still there. Staring. Laughing. Thanks Obama CL!

5 GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 30, 2015 2:35:18pm

So, why would Jesus want to return? Many of followers have gone psycho.

6 Lidane  Mar 30, 2015 2:35:46pm

Meanwhile, the Republican mayor of Indianapolis did this:

7 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 30, 2015 2:37:20pm

re: #5 GlutenFreeJesus

So, why would Jesus want to return? Many of followers have gone psycho.

It would be like the time I came back from work after a 1 week vacation and spent a whole day dealing with interpersonal issues within the group.
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8 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 2:39:04pm

Shorter: “If we can’t criminalize the gheyz why did we pass the law?”

9 Nyet  Mar 30, 2015 2:39:47pm

re: #5 GlutenFreeJesus

So, why would Jesus want to return? Many of followers have gone psycho.

Assuming he doesn’t actually agree with them, to set them straight?

10 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2015 2:41:03pm

re: #6 Lidane

Meanwhile, the Republican mayor of Indianapolis did this:

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This has to be extremely frustrating for Mayor Ballard since Indianapolis has local nondiscrimination laws that specifically protect gays and lesbians in employment, housing, education and public accommodation, which include business transactions.

indystar.com

11 GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 30, 2015 2:41:54pm

re: #9 Nyet

He wouldn’t agree. And they’d have no problem tarring and feathering him. Then burning him at the stake.

12 Drive By Commenter  Mar 30, 2015 2:42:05pm

If lies were nickles, Pence would be the happiest boy at the No Gays Allowed Elkhart County Fair Drown The Clown Ball Toss.

13 Nyet  Mar 30, 2015 2:42:42pm

re: #11 GlutenFreeJesus

He wouldn’t agree.

How would you know? Maybe their version of Jesus is the correct one ;)

14 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 30, 2015 2:42:46pm

re: #9 Nyet

Assuming he doesn’t actually agree with them, to set them straight?

“His last words were, ‘Forgive them, Father for… You know what? They know what they’re doing. Screw them!’”

15 allegro  Mar 30, 2015 2:43:15pm

re: #9 Nyet

Assuming he doesn’t actually agree with them, to set them straight?

Crucification is painful. He’d probably prefer to avoid that a second time.

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16 sizzzzlerz  Mar 30, 2015 2:44:17pm

My goodness, how ever could we have misinterpreted the true purpose of this bill?

17 Nyet  Mar 30, 2015 2:45:19pm

re: #15 allegro

Crucification is painful. He’d probably prefer to avoid that a second time.

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He will come to earth to kick ass and chew gum, and he will be all out of gum.

18 Lidane  Mar 30, 2015 2:47:57pm

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

This has to be extremely frustrating for Mayor Ballard since Indianapolis has local nondiscrimination laws that specifically protect gays and lesbians in employment, housing, education and public accommodation, which include business transactions.

indystar.com

Oh, he’s covered that. Ballard is issuing an executive order that says that any business that gets city funds has to abide by the city’s human rights ordinances:

indystar.com

I expect the RWNJs to call for his resignation this afternoon.

19 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 30, 2015 2:49:06pm

re: #5 GlutenFreeJesus

So, why would Jesus want to return? Many of followers have gone psycho.

One could argue that the second coming is simply to give the twits a timeout in the corner till they realize they’ve been naughty…

20 Nyet  Mar 30, 2015 2:51:47pm

re: #17 Nyet

He will come to earth to kick ass and chew gum, and he will be all out of gum.

To wit:

11I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war. 12His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.”a He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:

KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

And this:

14I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one like a son of manb with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. 15Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, “Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe.” 16So he who was seated on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the earth was harvested.

17Another angel came out of the temple in heaven, and he too had a sharp sickle. 18Still another angel, who had charge of the fire, came from the altar and called in a loud voice to him who had the sharp sickle, “Take your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of grapes from the earth’s vine, because its grapes are ripe.” 19The angel swung his sickle on the earth, gathered its grapes and threw them into the great winepress of God’s wrath. 20They were trampled in the winepress outside the city, and blood flowed out of the press, rising as high as the horses’ bridles for a distance of 1,600 stadia.c

That would make a great horror movie.

21 freetoken  Mar 30, 2015 2:55:44pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

Teh ghey has been the last stand of the religious right.

Sexuality, and more importantly the ability to control people by shame over sexuality, has been the ace in the deck of religious leaders for a very long time.

22 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 30, 2015 3:03:52pm

re: #20 Nyet

Yeah, Revelations. The funniest part is that those kind of apocalypses were very popular at the time of Nicea so they felt they should include one.

John of Patmos’ was considered the least wierd of the bunch, IIRC.

And people don’t want to admit it’s purely human hands creating the bible? I’m a believer but good lord, all the divine inspiration imaginable doesn’t amount to a hill of beans in this world when political power is at stake…

23 Khal Wimpo  Mar 30, 2015 3:10:57pm

re: #22 William Barnett-Lewis

And people don’t want to admit it’s purely human hands creating the bible? I’m a believer but good lord, all the divine inspiration imaginable doesn’t amount to a hill of beans in this world when political power is at stake…

Yeah, claiming your power descends from an invisible being who only talks to you is pretty much the basis of most of the really awful despotic regimes in history. The real Founding Fathers knew this - not the fake ones constructed by the RWNJs for the sole purpose of nodding their animatronic heads along to the beat of the same old ignorant shit.

Always interesting to watch the facial expressions when you start comparing the various versions of the Bible to the whackos, asking them to please tell which one is the “real” word of God, and which just a construct of imperfect human understanding… their world starts to fray around the edges and they don’t like it. Not one bit.

24 Nyet  Mar 30, 2015 3:13:20pm

re: #22 William Barnett-Lewis

The development of the canon was not quite arbitrary, only authoritative books were included, and the Apocalypse of St. John was the only one such among this genre. But even that didn’t save it from controversy, since some churches didn’t want to accept it at first.

25 Nyet  Mar 30, 2015 3:19:16pm

re: #24 Nyet

The development of the canon was not quite arbitrary, only authoritative books were included, and the Apocalypse of St. John was the only one such among this genre. But even that didn’t save it from controversy, since some churches didn’t want to accept it at first.

OK, not absolutely accurate, there also was the Apocalypse of Peter, which is mentioned in the Muratorian canon, which means it did have a measure of authority, but it is mentioned with a remark that many people don’t want it read in the churches, so it was still less authoritative than John.

26 Egregious Philbin  Mar 30, 2015 3:23:12pm

“Spiritual Warfare” These talibornagain zealots want theocracy, pure and simple. Thankfully they are dying out.

27 blueraven  Mar 30, 2015 3:23:18pm

re: #4 Nyet

The mannequins are still there. Staring. Laughing. Thanks Obama CL!

Try looking at stoves or ovens. They will take over the mannequins!

28 Jay C  Mar 30, 2015 3:23:55pm

re: #6 Lidane

1, [Inserts obligatory IANAL disclaimer HERE]

2. See 1.: but don’t official legal attempts (on, say, the State level) to circumvent or nullify subsidiary (county, municipal) anti-discrimination statutes run afoul of established SCOTUS rulings, specifically Romer v. Evans (1996)? I realize the wording in the Colorado Amendment that was struck down by Romer was different that that in the Indiana RFRA, but isn’t the principle the same? I.e., that States cannot, by statute, preemptively tell, say, cities, that they can’t enforce anti-discrimination ordinances - as I believe the Indiana law does (?)

Am I mistaken?

29 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 30, 2015 3:32:28pm

re: #28 Jay C

1, [Inserts obligatory IANAL disclaimer HERE]

2. See 1.: but don’t official legal attempts (on, say, the State level) to circumvent or nullify subsidiary (county, municipal) anti-discrimination statutes run afoul of established SCOTUS rulings, specifically Romer v. Evans (1996)? I realize the wording in the Colorado Amendment that was struck down by Romer was different that that in the Indiana RFRA, but isn’t the principle the same? I.e., that States cannot, by statute, preemptively tell, say, cities, that they can’t enforce anti-discrimination ordinances - as I believe the Indiana law does (?)

Am I mistaken?

The state controls all. That’s the easiest level to buy and control bigotry while claiming protection due to skewed interpretation of the Constitution and how the original thirteen colonies formed up.

30 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 30, 2015 3:52:20pm

re: #21 freetoken

Teh ghey has been the last stand of the religious right.

Sexuality, and more importantly the ability to control people by shame over sexuality, has been the ace in the deck of religious leaders for a very long time.

Some religious leaders have realized that people are disinclined to buy their attempts to impose religious beliefs on secular matters. Those religious leaders may even have realized that the country isn’t going to become a theocracy so they’re trying to use laws like Indiana’s RFRA as a force multiplier.

31 ObserverArt  Mar 30, 2015 4:08:16pm

re: #11 GlutenFreeJesus

He wouldn’t agree. And they’d have no problem tarring and feathering him. Then burning him at the stake.

It would be some kind of an assassination. Most likely a gun, and similar to James Earl Ray and Martin Luther King.

And as a good friend of mine would theorize often during his life now passed…the new religious jewelry to wear in the future will be a tiny shiny silver gun on a chain.

32 Nyet  Mar 30, 2015 4:10:42pm

If Jesus of the gospels were to appear, he would be dismissed both by conservatives and by liberals alike.

33 Decatur Deb  Mar 30, 2015 4:22:20pm

re: #32 Nyet

If Jesus of the gospels were to appear, he would be dismissed both by conservatives and by liberals alike.

Some anthro would do a paper.

34 jaunte  Mar 30, 2015 4:24:36pm
35 b.d.  Mar 30, 2015 4:25:11pm
Nine CEOs call on Pence, legislature to modify ‘religious freedom’ law

indystar.com

A who’s who of top Indiana business executives called on Gov. Mike Pence and legislative leaders to reform the newly passed Religious Freedom Restoration Act so it can’t be used to “justify discrimination based upon sexual orientation or gender identity.”

This deal isn’t going away any time soon

36 Belafon  Mar 30, 2015 4:27:57pm

re: #34 jaunte

Kristen Schaal talks like that in the first episode of Last Man on Earth. Correct English hurts. :)

37 b.d.  Mar 30, 2015 4:28:25pm

Now comes the resume padding

Rubio Defends Indiana’s ‘Religious Freedom’ Law

nationaljournal.com

I guess he beat Jindal

38 jaunte  Mar 30, 2015 4:28:37pm

re: #36 Belafon

Up with which notputting.

39 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2015 4:29:39pm

Think Chuck might be being trolled?

40 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 30, 2015 4:33:51pm

re: #36 Belafon

Why doesn’t anyone invite copyeditors to parties when we’re such cool people out with whom to hang?

ausmithängenleute

edit: “Ich mag es mit Freunden herumzuhängen”

41 Nyet  Mar 30, 2015 4:36:50pm

re: #36 Belafon

How is “out with whom to hang” correct English?

42 goddamnedfrank  Mar 30, 2015 4:37:00pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

Think Chuck might be being trolled?

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HAHAHA WOW! The dude is setting a new world record for ego fueled fucktardation.

43 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 30, 2015 4:37:54pm

re: #41 Nyet

How is “out with whom to hang” correct English?

it ain’t, no how, no way

44 goddamnedfrank  Mar 30, 2015 4:38:39pm

re: #41 Nyet

How is “out with whom to hang” correct English?

“Grammar snobs love to remind anyone who will listen: You should NEVER end a sentence with a preposition!”

45 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2015 4:39:40pm

re: #42 goddamnedfrank

HAHAHA WOW! The dude is setting a new world record for ego fueled fucktardation.

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right before that:

Oh, and Charlize’s little blog is a hoot.

46 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 30, 2015 4:39:49pm

re: #44 goddamnedfrank

“Grammar snobs love to remind anyone who will listen: You should NEVER end a sentence with a preposition!”

i like to end a sentence with a proposition, ideally a lewd one

47 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2015 4:41:15pm

Right there in her twitter profile she says she’s a fake account for jpitney.

lololol!!!

48 Nyet  Mar 30, 2015 4:41:39pm

re: #44 goddamnedfrank

“Grammar snobs love to remind anyone who will listen: You should NEVER end a sentence with a preposition!”

But it’s not a preposition per se, it’s a part of the phrasal verb “to hang out [with]”. The preposition in this case would be “with”.

49 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 30, 2015 4:41:54pm

re: #41 Nyet

How is “out with whom to hang” correct English?

Because you never use a preposition to end a sentence with.

51 Nyet  Mar 30, 2015 4:42:39pm

re: #49 Blind Frog Belly White

Because you never use a preposition to end a sentence with.

See above. Not a preposition, and I’m pretty sure you can’t reverse a phrasal verb.

52 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 30, 2015 4:43:34pm

re: #44 goddamnedfrank

“Grammar snobs love to remind anyone who will listen: You should NEVER end a sentence with a preposition!”

“Where you going to?”

‘Never end a sentence with a preposition!’

“Okay. Where you going to, asshole?”

53 Decatur Deb  Mar 30, 2015 4:43:46pm

re: #50 Varek Raith

And?
/

It’s like crossing the streams.

54 Justanotherhuman  Mar 30, 2015 4:43:54pm

So it appears the tenants here might be forming an ad hoc committee to fight the ebil mgmt co that just keeps taking our rent and won’t fix anything (plus shows up unannounced at 8 am wanting in without notice.

We got a visit from one of them this morning along with the pest control guy (who won’t come in w/o a mgr) and tried to invoke “rules” that weren’t included in our leases, plus took photos on his cell phone when he went into an 18 yr old guy’s room while he was still sleeping after the guy’s mother asked him not to. He took photos in other of her rooms also, but I didn’t notice him taking any in mine (but I was also trying to keep the Munchkin out of the way).

I really don’t mind the pest control guy, who I call by his first name since he’s been doing this over here for years usually after 12, but I don’t know this other idiot from Adam’s house cat. And this guy thinks they can impose rules on us in our own abodes when we’re already under a lease that doesn’t contain those rules? That shit isn’t flying with any of the tenants, and this guy doesn’t know it, but if he goes in any apt when someone is sleeping, he could end up on the wrong side of a gun (several tenants own them).

55 Timothy Watson  Mar 30, 2015 4:44:50pm

Up Next on LGF: Discussions on split infinitives

56 makeitstop  Mar 30, 2015 4:44:56pm

re: #41 Nyet

How is “out with whom to hang” correct English?

Avoiding ending a sentence with a proposition, or something.
/

57 Justanotherhuman  Mar 30, 2015 4:45:24pm

re: #44 goddamnedfrank

“Grammar snobs love to remind anyone who will listen: You should NEVER end a sentence with a preposition!”

Most people say, “Who are you going with” anyway. Who says, “With whom are you going”? Only someone writing formally would use the second instance. (Ouch, still smarting from the RE guy’s atittude.)

58 Varek Raith  Mar 30, 2015 4:45:40pm

re: #55 Timothy Watson

Up Next on LGF: Discussions on split infinitives

Oh dear, the flashbacks.

59 Nyet  Mar 30, 2015 4:45:50pm

re: #56 makeitstop

Avoiding ending a sentence with a proposition, or something.
/

Not only this wouldn’t apply here even if there were such a rule, there really isn’t such a rule.

60 goddamnedfrank  Mar 30, 2015 4:45:54pm

re: #48 Nyet

But it’s not a preposition per se, it’s a part of the phrasal verb “to hang out [with]”. The preposition in this case would be “with”.

Right. She’s making fun of awkwardness that results from outmoded and inflexible linguistic orthopraxy.

61 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 30, 2015 4:47:39pm

re: #60 goddamnedfrank

Right. She’s making fun of awkwardness that results from outmoded and inflexible linguistic orthopraxy.

Hence the statement, “This is the sort of grammatical rigidity up with which I am no longer willing to put!”

62 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 30, 2015 4:48:02pm

linguists’ rule:

if it sounds natural and correct to a native speaker

it’s correct

63 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 30, 2015 4:48:39pm

BTW, as I understand it, the rule on splitting infinitives is a hangover from Latin, in which it is not possible to split infinitives, since it’s all one word.

64 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 30, 2015 4:49:15pm

re: #62 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

linguists’ rule:

if it sounds natural and correct to a native speaker

it’s correct

It’s wrong, irregardless!
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65 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 30, 2015 4:49:16pm

re: #55 Timothy Watson

Up Next on LGF: Discussions on split infinitives

fishglue works best, but it wont hide the seam

66 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 30, 2015 4:49:31pm

re: #64 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s wrong, irregardless!
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sez you!

67 Varek Raith  Mar 30, 2015 4:49:39pm

re: #64 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s wrong, irregardless!
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All of the sudden!

68 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 30, 2015 4:49:50pm

re: #35 b.d.

indystar.com

This deal isn’t going away any time soon

And they’re going to make Pence wear the clown shoes, ride a unicycle, and refer to himself as “Mary” next.
/

69 Nyet  Mar 30, 2015 4:49:59pm

The apocryphal “This is the sort of nonsense up with which I will not put” is also wrong, because the preposition is “with”, not “up with”. “Up” is a part of the verb. So correctly it would be: “This is the sort of nonsense with which I will not put up”.

70 Varek Raith  Mar 30, 2015 4:51:04pm

Grammar Nazis created the English language.
FACT.
/

71 Justanotherhuman  Mar 30, 2015 4:51:41pm

re: #70 Varek Raith

Grammar Nazis created the English language.
FACT.
/

And the nuns beat it into us. ///

72 A Cranky One  Mar 30, 2015 4:51:58pm

What I want to know is which is the correct form for the possessive: Charles’ blog or Charles’s blog. <logs off, runs away while I can>

73 Nyet  Mar 30, 2015 4:52:30pm

re: #72 A Cranky One

What I want to know is which is the correct form for the possessive: Charles’ blog or Charles’s blog. <logs off, runs away while I can>

Both correct.

74 Decatur Deb  Mar 30, 2015 4:52:52pm

re: #62 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

linguists’ rule:

if it sounds natural and correct to a native speaker

it’s correct

Y’all don’t come ‘round here much, do ya?

75 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 30, 2015 4:53:12pm

re: #69 Nyet

The apocryphal “This is the sort of nonsense up with which I will not put” is also wrong, because the preposition is “with”, not “up with”. “Up” is a part of the verb. So correctly it would be: “This is the sort of nonsense with which I will not put up”.

But that wouldn’t be funny. Duh.

76 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 30, 2015 4:53:45pm

re: #70 Varek Raith

Grammar Nazis created the English language.
FACT.
/

No adverbs for you! One year!

77 A Cranky One  Mar 30, 2015 4:54:26pm

re: #73 Nyet

Both correct.

You’re no fun.

This is the sort of nonsense with which I will not put up!

78 Nyet  Mar 30, 2015 4:54:36pm

re: #75 Blind Frog Belly White

But that wouldn’t be funny. Duh.

It would have been funny if it were true.

79 Varek Raith  Mar 30, 2015 4:54:47pm

…

80 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 30, 2015 4:54:51pm

re: #74 Decatur Deb

Y’all don’t come ‘round here much, do ya?

yer onna them fellers from the city what talks too much, aint you?

81 Nyet  Mar 30, 2015 4:55:41pm

re: #62 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

linguists’ rule:

if it sounds natural and correct to a native speaker

it’s correct

I think it’s rather “Nothing is true, everything is permitted.”

82 goddamnedfrank  Mar 30, 2015 4:56:11pm

This nonsense is of the sort which up put I will not.

Pretty sure that’s it.

83 b.d.  Mar 30, 2015 4:56:29pm

re: #79 Varek Raith

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I raise:

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84 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 30, 2015 4:56:40pm

re: #79 Varek Raith

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“RAVVID!”

85 b_sharp  Mar 30, 2015 4:57:02pm

re: #52 Blind Frog Belly White

“Where you going to?”

‘Never end a sentence with a preposition!’

“Okay. Where you going to, asshole?”

I always end my sentences with a proposition.

86 Justanotherhuman  Mar 30, 2015 4:57:06pm

re: #79 Varek Raith

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Video

“The rare male camel toe.”

Bwahahahaha!

87 #FergusonFireside  Mar 30, 2015 4:57:43pm

Good Monday evening.

I still am seeing CL’s creepy mannequins on the side bar. They are so persistent.

I need to shop online for something I like. Stat.

88 Nyet  Mar 30, 2015 4:58:48pm

re: #86 Justanotherhuman

“The rare male camel toe.”

Bwahahahaha!

A toe of a male camel, obviously! /

89 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 30, 2015 4:59:11pm

re: #81 Nyet

I think it’s rather “Nothing is true, everything is permitted.”

mmmm not really - the way i was taught it, linguistics is descriptive, not prescriptive

the aim is to arrive at an accurate description of a language according to the standards of native speakers, that is, them what knows it best, like

90 Nyet  Mar 30, 2015 4:59:14pm

re: #87 #FergusonFireside

Good Monday evening.

I still am seeing CL’s creepy mannequins on the side bar. They are so persistent.

I need to shop online for something I like. Stat.

See my 4.

91 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 30, 2015 4:59:33pm

re: #87 #FergusonFireside

Good Monday evening.

I still am seeing CL’s creepy mannequins on the side bar. They are so persistent.

I need to shop online for something I like. Stat.

I have a gas flame. It’s a nice change from Asian Loving. That probably shows up when we talk about Chuckie.

92 Nyet  Mar 30, 2015 5:00:19pm

re: #89 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

mmmm not really - the way i was taught it, linguistics is descriptive, not prescriptive

the aim is to arrive at an accurate description of a language according to the standards of native speakers, that is, them what knows it best, like

That’s what I have described. But it’s not “correct”, it just is.

93 Decatur Deb  Mar 30, 2015 5:02:13pm

re: #91 Blind Frog Belly White

I have a gas flame. It’s a nice change from Asian Loving. That probably shows up when we talk about Chuckie.

Been getting CCJ’s nice Asian ladies, and occasional nice Russian girls who like older men. I blame Sergey.

94 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Mar 30, 2015 5:02:31pm

When I studied German, I had a heck of a time with the grammar. There are 6 words for “the”, 5 for “a” and everthing gets an ending. Then on top of that, word order gets changed around. If I were to say in English: “I would have gone home first, but I stopped to get gas” it would be something like: I would home first gone have, but I had gas to get stopped.
I think

95 WhatEVs  Mar 30, 2015 5:02:48pm

re: #52 Blind Frog Belly White

“Where you going to?”

‘Never end a sentence with a preposition!’

“Okay. Where you going to, asshole?”

To wherefore art thou traveling?

Or sumfin’.

96 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 30, 2015 5:03:04pm

re: #89 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

mmmm not really - the way i was taught it, linguistics is descriptive, not prescriptive

the aim is to arrive at an accurate description of a language according to the standards of native speakers, that is, them what knows it best, like

“How many times I gotta tell you! It’s not ‘I done did it’! It’s ‘I done it’!”

97 Decatur Deb  Mar 30, 2015 5:03:40pm

re: #94 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

When I studied German, I had a heck of a time with the grammar. There are 6 words for “the”, 5 for “a” and everthing gets an ending. Then on top of that, word order gets changed around. If I were to say in English: “I would have gone home first, but I stopped to get gas” it would be something like: I would home first gone, but I had gas to get stopped.
I think

If I had understood what the Greeks were trying to do with the aorist, I’d be a fuckin’ archbishop.

98 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 30, 2015 5:04:06pm

re: #93 Decatur Deb

Been getting CCJ’s nice Asian ladies, and occasional nice Russian girls who like older men. I blame Sergey.

Yes. i was reasonably certain that ‘Russian Senior Dating’ didn’t refer to the women, unless they were talking High School Seniors.

99 b_sharp  Mar 30, 2015 5:04:40pm

If you add the word ‘fuck’ in your sentences, nobody gives a fuck if you hang an occasional preposition.

100 goddamnedfrank  Mar 30, 2015 5:04:42pm

Swallowed hook, line, sinker, tacklebox, and half the Pier.

101 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 30, 2015 5:04:49pm

re: #68 Feline Fearless Leader

And they’re going to make Pence wear the clown shoes, ride a unicycle, and refer to himself as “Mary” next.
/

Now I’m wondering just how spiteful Pence and the Indiana Republican legislators have come to be. Some of the state’s major businesses, including two led by bona fide Republicans, told them that the RFRA as written was a bad idea yet they passed it anyway. I can only think that they’ve bought into the End Times bullshit.

102 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 30, 2015 5:04:58pm

re: #94 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

When I studied German, I had a heck of a time with the grammar. There are 6 words for “the”, 5 for “a” and everthing gets an ending. Then on top of that, word order gets changed around. If I were to say in English: “I would have gone home first, but I stopped to get gas” it would be something like: I would home first gone, but I had gas to get stopped.
I think

Throw him down the stairs his pants.

103 WhatEVs  Mar 30, 2015 5:05:58pm

re: #83 b.d.

I raise:

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Whuuut?

104 Nyet  Mar 30, 2015 5:06:07pm

OK, up have I looked and “up” in “looked up” or “put up” or “out” in “hang out” is officially called a particle, not a preposition. So it can’t fall under the rule in any case.

105 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2015 5:06:28pm

re: #100 goddamnedfrank

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Swallowed hook, line, sinker, tacklebox, and half the Pier.

The extent of his gullibility is nothing short of gobsmacking.

106 Nyet  Mar 30, 2015 5:07:09pm

re: #94 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

When I studied German, I had a heck of a time with the grammar. There are 6 words for “the”, 5 for “a” and everthing gets an ending. Then on top of that, word order gets changed around. If I were to say in English: “I would have gone home first, but I stopped to get gas” it would be something like: I would home first gone have, but I had gas to get stopped.
I think

Your count is a bit off. We’re talking 3 genders x 4 cases, that is, 12 forms of “a” and 16 forms of “the” (because of the plural “the”). That is, if we’re talking about pure articles, because there are also article-like words like “kein”.
But there is a system to that madness. One gets used to it after a while.

107 b_sharp  Mar 30, 2015 5:07:29pm

re: #104 Nyet

OK, up have I looked and “up” in “looked up” or “put up” or “out” in “hang out” is officially called a particle, not a preposition. So it can’t fall under the rule in any case.

I see up and out as waves.

108 b.d.  Mar 30, 2015 5:08:10pm

re: #100 goddamnedfrank

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Swallowed hook, line, sinker, tacklebox, and half the Pier.

claremont mckenna should name a journalism award after him

//

109 Nyet  Mar 30, 2015 5:08:24pm

re: #100 goddamnedfrank

OK, what did he swallow this time?

(Shuddup, Hussars!)

110 Stephen T.  Mar 30, 2015 5:08:46pm

re: #86 Justanotherhuman

The internet has since decided that these are now called “moose knuckles.”

111 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 30, 2015 5:09:21pm

re: #104 Nyet

OK, up have I looked and “up” in “looked up” or “put up” or “out” in “hang out” is officially called a particle, not a preposition. So it can’t fall under the rule in any case.

‘particle’ is the basket that linguists throw words in when they can’t figure out what else to call them:

What is a particle?

Definition

A particle is a word that

does not belong to one of the main classes of words
is invariable in form, and
typically has grammatical or pragmatic meaning.

112 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Mar 30, 2015 5:09:39pm

re: #106 Nyet

Thank God they lost the war./

Actually, I learned a lot about English when I studied German.

113 freetoken  Mar 30, 2015 5:09:44pm

re: #94 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

When I studied German, I had a heck of a time with the grammar. There are 6 words for “the”, 5 for “a” and everthing gets an ending. Then on top of that, word order gets changed around. If I were to say in English: “I would have gone home first, but I stopped to get gas” it would be something like: I would home first gone have, but I had gas to get stopped.
I think

Yeah, grammar, we love grammar.

In Japanese your sentence would be constructed something like this:

first home to went, but before gas for stopped.

114 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 30, 2015 5:10:32pm

re: #111 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

‘particle’ is the basket that linguists throw words in when they can’t figure out what else to call them:

What is a particle?

Definition

A particle is a word that

does not belong to one of the main classes of words
is invariable in form, and
typically has grammatical or pragmatic meaning.

Ooo, those lazy fuckers!

115 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 30, 2015 5:11:07pm

re: #94 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Taking German for four years informed my knowledge of history. The complex grammar and the Brobdingnagian compound nouns gave me insight into how they lost both World Wars.

116 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 30, 2015 5:11:37pm

re: #102 Blind Frog Belly White

Throw him down the stairs his pants.

“throw mamma from the train a kiss!”

117 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 30, 2015 5:12:32pm

re: #104 Nyet

OK, up have I looked and “up” in “looked up” or “put up” or “out” in “hang out” is officially called a particle, not a preposition. So it can’t fall under the rule in any case.

“Up” can also be a completive. You can eat something or burn something, but if you eat it up or burn it up, it’s gone.

It’s the main completive in baby talk, which in most languages is a good sign of the true underlying mechanisms.

118 Nyet  Mar 30, 2015 5:12:49pm

re: #111 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Then it fits perfectly.

119 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 30, 2015 5:12:59pm

re: #116 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

“throw mamma from the train a kiss!”

“We grow too soon old and too late smart”, or as I prefer to think of it, “We grow too late smart and too soon dead.”

120 Decatur Deb  Mar 30, 2015 5:13:02pm

My English usage was not only authoritative, but authoritarian.

U.S. Army COPY - EDITING AND AP STYLEBOOK WORKBOOK
amazon.com

Army Regulation 310-25 Dictionary of United States Army Terms (Short Title: AD)
cdm16635.contentdm.oclc.org

(Caution—opens a .pdf)

121 goddamnedfrank  Mar 30, 2015 5:13:03pm

re: #109 Nyet

OK, what did he swallow this time?

(Shuddup, Hussars!)

Maybe I’m wrong and it’s real, but he’s taking at face value news that a professor at Claremont is using his articles in class from a parody account of him set up for that same class.

122 freetoken  Mar 30, 2015 5:13:07pm

Someone needs to stand up and speak truth to grammar.

123 Decatur Deb  Mar 30, 2015 5:14:52pm

re: #115 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Taking German for four years informed my knowledge of history. The complex grammar and the Brobdingnagian compound nouns gave me insight into how they lost both World Wars.

“Duck, Hans. Here comes a Panzerkampfwag…AARRRRG.”

124 goddamnedfrank  Mar 30, 2015 5:14:53pm

re: #121 goddamnedfrank

If I were Chuck I’d be more than a little bit skeptical of anything @Charlize4Truth tells me.

125 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 30, 2015 5:15:44pm

re: #122 freetoken

Someone needs to stand up and speak truth to grammar.

Professor Irwin Corey and Norm Crosby lived in vain….

126 Varek Raith  Mar 30, 2015 5:17:27pm

re: #100 goddamnedfrank

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Swallowed hook, line, sinker, tacklebox, and half the Pier.

A ship or two as well.

127 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2015 5:19:40pm

re: #124 goddamnedfrank

If I were Chuck I’d be more than a little bit skeptical of anything @Charlize4Truth tells me.

I just can’t stop laughing.

And, as I said earlier, her little blog is hysterical.

128 WhatEVs  Mar 30, 2015 5:19:50pm

re: #124 goddamnedfrank

If I were Chuck I’d be more than a little bit skeptical of anything @Charlize4Truth tells me.

Look at her name, picture and followers. Chuck is being punked big time.

129 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 30, 2015 5:21:12pm

re: #100 goddamnedfrank

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Swallowed hook, line, sinker, tacklebox, and half the Pier.

And today’s Golden Tool Award goes to…

130 b.d.  Mar 30, 2015 5:21:49pm

re: #128 WhatEVs

Look at her name, picture and followers. Chuck is being punked big time.

CHUCK IS TOO SMART TO BE TAKEN IN, HE IS JUST TOYING WITH HER!

131 Nyet  Mar 30, 2015 5:21:53pm

re: #117 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

It still takes the form of a phrasal verb. BTW there are lots of parallels in German. E.g. “eat up” - aufessen (ich esse etwas auf), where “auf” in general corresponds to the sense of “up” (e.g. aufwärts = upwards). Aufbrauchen - use up. Aufkommen - come up (this idea came up …, die Idee ist aufgekommen). Of course in German these are “full verbs”.

132 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 5:22:32pm

re: #129 Higgs Boson’s Mate

And today’s Golden Tool Award goes to…

OBJECTION!

Calling CCJ a tool implies he serves a useful purpose

133 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 5:23:17pm
134 Decatur Deb  Mar 30, 2015 5:23:26pm

re: #132 Kragar

OBJECTION!

Calling CCJ a tool implies he serves a useful purpose

And draws ire from WW.

135 Nyet  Mar 30, 2015 5:24:00pm

re: #132 Kragar

OBJECTION!

Calling CCJ a tool implies he serves a useful purpose

Fertilizer. If only not on the floor…

136 b.d.  Mar 30, 2015 5:24:12pm

re: #133 Kragar

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REBRANDING!

137 Decatur Deb  Mar 30, 2015 5:25:22pm

re: #133 Kragar

GOP 2016 hopefuls back Indiana’s “religious freedom” law.

Gopher it.

138 Justanotherhuman  Mar 30, 2015 5:25:30pm

re: #133 Kragar

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Wow, they might as well write off 2016 as a lost cause.

139 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 30, 2015 5:25:30pm

re: #132 Kragar

OBJECTION!

Calling CCJ a tool implies he serves a useful purpose

You mean to say that a football bat isn’t a tool?

140 #FergusonFireside  Mar 30, 2015 5:26:30pm

re: #4 Nyet

The mannequins are still there. Staring. Laughing. Thanks Obama CL!

lol. I just bought my Mom a ton of those candle tarts. Maybe I’ll only see them from now on. Maybe.

Sorry Charles, I will subscribe.

Every time I mention the ads I get the guilt feeling. :(

141 Nyet  Mar 30, 2015 5:26:31pm

re: #138 Justanotherhuman

Wow, they might as well write off 2016 as a lost cause.

Do you think this will play a role?

142 b.d.  Mar 30, 2015 5:26:35pm

re: #133 Kragar

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<blockquoteWisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, meanwhile, is backing the “principle” of the measure.

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Walker’s going to try and go through this thing without being pinned down on anything

143 Justanotherhuman  Mar 30, 2015 5:26:54pm

“Reform” my ass. Repeal the sucker.

Central Indiana corporate leaders pen letter to Indiana lawmakers calling on them to reform controversial Religious Freedom Restoration Act - @USATODAY
read more on usatoday.com

144 WhatEVs  Mar 30, 2015 5:27:03pm

re: #133 Kragar

Well they have that 27% of THE hard core GOP voters sewn up.

The rest…not so much.

145 Justanotherhuman  Mar 30, 2015 5:27:25pm

re: #141 Nyet

Do you think this will play a role?

Yes, I do.

146 goddamnedfrank  Mar 30, 2015 5:27:26pm

Another fake account for the same class:

147 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 30, 2015 5:28:18pm

re: #146 goddamnedfrank

Another fake account for the same class:

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Apoplectically American.

148 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 30, 2015 5:28:54pm

re: #137 Decatur Deb

Gopher it.

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GOPher it, you mean.

149 Justanotherhuman  Mar 30, 2015 5:28:59pm

What a lying sack of shit.

In piece written for Wall Street Journal, Indiana Gov. Mike Pence says religious freedom act doesn’t ‘discriminate against any person or group,’ but ‘mirrors federal law’ - @WSJ
read more on wsj.com

150 Nyet  Mar 30, 2015 5:29:08pm

re: #145 Justanotherhuman

Yes, I do.

I thought so too in 2004. I mean, it was so obvious, wasn’t it?

Apparently it wasn’t to the majority that reelected GWB.

151 Decatur Deb  Mar 30, 2015 5:30:00pm

re: #146 goddamnedfrank

Another fake account for the same class:

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The “Senate Dems Strategy” photo points to an elaborate political RPG.

152 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 30, 2015 5:30:38pm

re: #149 Justanotherhuman

What a lying sack of shit.

In piece written for Wall Street Journal, Indiana Gov. Mike Pence says religious freedom act doesn’t ‘discriminate against any person or group,’ but ‘mirrors federal law’ - @WSJ
read more on wsj.com

Fun house mirror, maybe.

153 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 30, 2015 5:31:38pm

re: #133 Kragar

Looks as though Bush’s pollsters told him that running as a moderate was dead out. Next he’ll be telling the rubes that JEB! is short for Jebediah Obadiah Zachariah Jedediah Bush.

154 Nyet  Mar 30, 2015 5:31:59pm

re: #149 Justanotherhuman

If it mirrors the federal law, there’s no need for it.

155 Justanotherhuman  Mar 30, 2015 5:32:25pm

WTFITS?

Gov. Ducey signs abortion medication requirement bill

And—I don’t think the State can bar this one:

“The legislation also bars women from buying healthcare plans through the federal marketplace that include abortion coverage.”

Read more: kpho.com

156 Timothy Watson  Mar 30, 2015 5:35:01pm

re: #154 Nyet

If it mirrors the federal law, there’s no need for it.

The federal law doesn’t cover state action.

157 Romantic Heretic  Mar 30, 2015 5:35:09pm

re: #115 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Taking German for four years informed my knowledge of history. The complex grammar and the Brobdingnagian compound nouns gave me insight into how they lost both World Wars.

Indeed. Flak and pak are much easier to remember than Fliegerabwehrkanöne or Panzerabwehrkanöne.

158 b.d.  Mar 30, 2015 5:35:59pm

o_O

159 goddamnedfrank  Mar 30, 2015 5:36:00pm

The thing is @jpitney is a Republican d-bag, so maybe he did do a “6 degrees of Charles Johnson” thing in his class. I’m leaning like 80-20 against because it’s so utterly fucking ridiculous, but if CCJ has taught us anything it’s that Claremont has it’s fair share of retarded wingnuts. Pitney also lists “autism policy” in his bio, worked for the RNC in the past and co-wrote a book called “After Hope and Change” so yes, it is possible.

160 Romantic Heretic  Mar 30, 2015 5:36:25pm

re: #123 Decatur Deb

“Duck, Hans. Here comes a Panzerkampfwag…AARRRRG.”

I’d joke about that but I have no idea how to say ‘Tommy Cooker’ in German.

161 Justanotherhuman  Mar 30, 2015 5:37:42pm

Washington State Gov. Jay Inslee bans state-funded travel to Indiana in reaction to state’s controversial Religious Freedom Restoration Act; Connecticut’s Gov. Dan Malloy issued similar ban earlier Monday - @GovInslee
read more on governor.wa.gov

162 Nyet  Mar 30, 2015 5:38:44pm

re: #157 Romantic Heretic

Indeed. Flak and pak are much easier to remember than Fliegerabwehrkanöne or Panzerabwehrkanöne.

Kanöne? Well, they are metal, but still… ;)

163 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 5:38:46pm
164 Romantic Heretic  Mar 30, 2015 5:39:46pm

re: #162 Nyet

Kanöne? Well, they are metal, but still… ;)

I’m never sure where to put that damned umlaut.

165 Decatur Deb  Mar 30, 2015 5:40:30pm

re: #164 Romantic Heretic

I’m never sure where to put that damned umlaut.

On the big plate, next to the bacon.

166 Justanotherhuman  Mar 30, 2015 5:40:47pm

Way to go…

American Pharmacists Association adopts policy discouraging members from providing death penalty drugs - @AP
read more on washingtonpost.com

167 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 5:41:08pm

re: #158 b.d.

168 Lidane  Mar 30, 2015 5:41:59pm

re: #163 Kragar

Also Peter Gabriel, but that’s a minor quibble. Heh.

169 b.d.  Mar 30, 2015 5:42:37pm

re: #167 Kragar

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stylin’

170 goddamnedfrank  Mar 30, 2015 5:42:40pm

Missed this earlier. Twitter deliberately pissing off the conservatives.

171 LadyBehir  Mar 30, 2015 5:42:48pm

A little late to the grammar discussion but Stargate won my heart forever with this:
…

172 Justanotherhuman  Mar 30, 2015 5:42:56pm

About time for some backlash applied to these asses.

Klingenschmitt loses committee post, suspends ministry for six weeks

denverpost.com

173 Nyet  Mar 30, 2015 5:44:30pm

re: #160 Romantic Heretic

I’d joke about that but I have no idea how to say ‘Tommy Cooker’ in German.

Tommy-Kocher

174 b.d.  Mar 30, 2015 5:44:51pm

re: #170 goddamnedfrank

Missed this earlier. Twitter deliberately pissing off the conservatives.

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That tweet should provide Twitter with a good list of folks to ban.

175 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 5:45:40pm

re: #168 Lidane

Also Peter Gabriel, but that’s a minor quibble. Heh.

Tossed from the Garden for shocking a monkey

176 Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2015 5:48:17pm

I swear, these people live in some kind of weird alternate universe where the rules of logic are reversed.

177 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 30, 2015 5:49:04pm

re: #167 Kragar

A baby picture:

178 jaunte  Mar 30, 2015 5:49:39pm

re: #176 Charles Johnson

ordering a service from someone who’s not n agreement

“Please fill out this 500 page form about all your preferences, and then we’ll see if you fit our customer profile.”

179 Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2015 5:50:03pm
180 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 30, 2015 5:50:26pm

The man is completely clueless:

181 b.d.  Mar 30, 2015 5:51:07pm

re: #177 Higgs Boson’s Mate

A baby picture:

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Not fair to Bat Boy at all!!

182 Lidane  Mar 30, 2015 5:51:36pm

Is it just me or does Rubio remind you of the smarmy kiss ass that everyone hated in high school?

183 jaunte  Mar 30, 2015 5:51:38pm

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

The man is completely clueless:

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Worse, he knows exactly what he’s doing, and he’s lying about it.

184 Nyet  Mar 30, 2015 5:51:51pm

That backpedaling begins is a good sign. More pressure.

185 b.d.  Mar 30, 2015 5:51:52pm

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

The man is completely clueless:

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Pence is shooting holes in the bottom of his boat.

186 Romantic Heretic  Mar 30, 2015 5:52:24pm

re: #173 Nyet

Tommy-Kocher

Domo arigato.

187 Lidane  Mar 30, 2015 5:52:42pm

re: #185 b.d.

Pence is shooting holes in the bottom of his boat.

With a Howitzer.

188 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 30, 2015 5:53:08pm

re: #185 b.d.

Pence is shooting holes in the bottom of his boat.

Yeah, it sucks when you’re trying to appeal to the base, and people expect you not to fuck up the state you govern in the process.
//

189 Nyet  Mar 30, 2015 5:53:26pm

re: #186 Romantic Heretic

Domo arigato.

Пожалуйста.

190 jaunte  Mar 30, 2015 5:53:26pm
191 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 5:53:37pm

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

192 Justanotherhuman  Mar 30, 2015 5:53:37pm

re: #168 Lidane

Also Peter Gabriel, but that’s a minor quibble. Heh.

Hmm. Think so?

…

193 Lidane  Mar 30, 2015 5:54:09pm
194 goddamnedfrank  Mar 30, 2015 5:54:14pm
195 Lidane  Mar 30, 2015 5:55:03pm

re: #192 Justanotherhuman

Hmm. Think so?

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I actually prefer Gabriel-era Genesis. The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway is brilliant.

196 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 30, 2015 5:56:17pm

re: #193 Lidane

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And you know that a guy who lives in Maine knows a thing or two about frosty dog turds.
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197 WhatEVs  Mar 30, 2015 5:56:22pm

re: #178 jaunte

“Please fill out this 500 page form about all your preferences, and then we’ll see if you fit our customer profile we’ll less than graciously take your money.

FIFY

198 Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2015 5:57:06pm
199 WhatEVs  Mar 30, 2015 5:57:37pm

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Rand Paul Civil Rights Libertarian Free Market Shuffle.

200 Justanotherhuman  Mar 30, 2015 5:57:50pm

Later, Lizards!

Keep calm…

201 jaunte  Mar 30, 2015 5:58:56pm
202 Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2015 6:00:52pm
203 lawhawk  Mar 30, 2015 6:01:07pm

re: #163 Kragar

Missing Steve Hackett and Peter Gabriel, as well as tour musicians Daryl Stuermer and Chester Thomson.

204 Lidane  Mar 30, 2015 6:02:10pm

re: #196 Blind Frog Belly White

And you know that a guy who lives in Maine knows a thing or two about frosty dog turds.
//

Well yes. But enough about Gov. LePage.

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205 Amory Blaine  Mar 30, 2015 6:02:46pm

re: #184 Nyet

That backpedaling begins is a good sign. More pressure.

Mmm. Pressure is delicious. Moar plz.

206 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 6:03:29pm
207 Lidane  Mar 30, 2015 6:04:28pm

OUTRAGE!

208 jaunte  Mar 30, 2015 6:04:58pm

re: #206 Kragar

“I’m running for President,” Marco announced dryly.

209 b.d.  Mar 30, 2015 6:05:03pm

re: #206 Kragar

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I wonder what it could be?! I hope it is something very exciting like the formation of an exploratory committee!

210 Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2015 6:05:31pm
211 freetoken  Mar 30, 2015 6:06:16pm

When obvious is obvious then obfuscate.

212 Targetpractice  Mar 30, 2015 6:06:22pm

re: #206 Kragar

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Unless the announcement is that he’s had a sudden attack of intelligence and decided not to run next year, he’s wasting everybody’s time. He’s rating just a bit above syphilis in the GOP polls.

213 jaunte  Mar 30, 2015 6:06:31pm

Poland Spring is getting a new celebrity spokesthirster.

214 Amory Blaine  Mar 30, 2015 6:08:31pm

Normalizing relations with Cuba is making Rubio obsolete.

215 Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2015 6:08:36pm
216 Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2015 6:10:55pm
217 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 30, 2015 6:12:13pm

re: #176 Charles Johnson

In a sense, ordering a service from someone who’s not n agreement is its own form of #bullying

you mean i suffered all through the 70s serving breakfast to those people in leisure suits for nothing???

218 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 30, 2015 6:13:26pm

and just think: toy poodles

you have no idea how bullied i feel serving people who deeply violate my religious sensibilities this way

219 Varek Raith  Mar 30, 2015 6:14:56pm

re: #210 Charles Johnson

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220 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 6:16:45pm

re: #176 Charles Johnson

221 jaunte  Mar 30, 2015 6:18:01pm
You can’t legislate #faith or the heart.

Nobody’s asking for love, just equal service.

222 Lidane  Mar 30, 2015 6:23:16pm
223 Lidane  Mar 30, 2015 6:27:16pm

re: #214 Amory Blaine

Normalizing relations with Cuba is making Rubio obsolete.

Normalizing relations with Cuba makes Rubio irrelevant.

Ted Cruz running for POTUS makes Rubio redundant.

What’s left?

224 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 6:27:38pm
225 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 6:28:34pm

re: #223 Lidane

Normalizing relations with Cuba makes Rubio irrelevant.

Ted Cruz running for POTUS makes Rubio redundant.

What’s left?

Switching to a D and bringing out all the conversations he’s secretly taped over the last few years?

226 goddamnedfrank  Mar 30, 2015 6:33:40pm
227 #FergusonFireside  Mar 30, 2015 6:37:56pm

re: #193 Lidane

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King 2016

Seriously, Man of the billions, man of the people.

Stephen King is the epitome of the bootstraps who remains pure to the people.

228 Lidane  Mar 30, 2015 6:40:27pm
229 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 6:41:19pm

re: #228 Lidane

230 #FergusonFireside  Mar 30, 2015 6:41:42pm

re: #222 Lidane

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He fucked up. Misspoke. et al.

231 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 30, 2015 6:42:32pm

Is there a difference between legislating faith and trying to have your religious beliefs written into the laws?

232 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 6:43:00pm

re: #231 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Is there a difference between legislating faith and trying to have your religious beliefs written into the laws?

Nope

233 jaunte  Mar 30, 2015 6:44:35pm

re: #229 Kragar

“That would be telling.”

234 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 6:45:35pm

re: #233 jaunte

“That would be telling.”

235 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 6:56:27pm
236 Targetpractice  Mar 30, 2015 6:56:40pm

I’ve had wingnuts simultaneously frothing in anger and joy over Indiana’s new law, both insisting that it doesn’t allow discrimination and that it does. It’s been a sight to behold.

237 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 30, 2015 6:56:55pm

re: #234 Kragar

J Jonah also perfectly captures my reaction to people who say the Indiana bill is NOT about discrimination.

238 Lidane  Mar 30, 2015 7:00:05pm
239 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 7:02:14pm
240 jaunte  Mar 30, 2015 7:03:23pm
241 goddamnedfrank  Mar 30, 2015 7:07:37pm

Got suckered into responding to an egg. Still, people should know this.

242 jaunte  Mar 30, 2015 7:07:42pm

Oh good grief.

243 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 7:10:57pm
244 Targetpractice  Mar 30, 2015 7:15:13pm

I think it says it all when Pence insists the law does not allow discrimination against gay people…but then insists he will not sign a law protecting them from discrimination.

246 Lidane  Mar 30, 2015 7:16:32pm
247 jaunte  Mar 30, 2015 7:17:13pm
248 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 7:17:31pm

re: #246 Lidane

249 makeitstop  Mar 30, 2015 7:18:56pm

re: #85 b_sharp

I always end my sentences with a proposition.

Hey, that was my joke, and I got yelled at for it.
/

250 prairiefire  Mar 30, 2015 7:21:11pm

Watch out for the backsplash!

251 goddamnedfrank  Mar 30, 2015 7:21:43pm

An A for effort but not quite there on style yet.

252 jaunte  Mar 30, 2015 7:23:39pm

re: #251 goddamnedfrank

Needs a more specific number than “countless.”

“I have here in my hand a list of 205 [State Department employees] that were known to the Secretary of State as being members of the Communist Party and who nevertheless are still working and shaping the policy of the State Department.”
history.com

253 Targetpractice  Mar 30, 2015 7:24:12pm

You can’t have it both ways, Gov. Pence. You can’t insist that the Indiana law is no different from the laws in other states, but then refuse to pass a law that protects the LGBT crowd, as every one of those states has done.

254 goddamnedfrank  Mar 30, 2015 7:27:25pm

re: #252 jaunte

Needs a more specific number than “countless.”

Exactly. Specificity is the key to selling the product. 99.44% pure.

255 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 7:28:15pm
256 makeitstop  Mar 30, 2015 7:28:29pm

re: #168 Lidane

Also Peter Gabriel, but that’s a minor quibble. Heh.

Steve Hackett, too.

257 TedStriker  Mar 30, 2015 7:31:32pm

re: #255 Kragar

[Embedded content]

“Wow” is right…Pence and the other Indiana RWNJs are finding out that you don’t get into fights with those who buy ink (and bits) by the barrel.

258 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 30, 2015 7:32:57pm

re: #255 Kragar

“religious freedom” law

gigantic can of worms, opened

259 Targetpractice  Mar 30, 2015 7:33:33pm

re: #255 Kragar

[Embedded content]

The longer this goes on, the more the pressure is going to mount. And if Republicans are hoping that the matter will quietly go away because something else will come along, they should remember that this is an election year.

260 Lidane  Mar 30, 2015 7:36:33pm

re: #255 Kragar

Text of the editorial is here:

Editorial: Gov. Pence, fix ‘religious freedom’ law now

We are at a critical moment in Indiana’s history.

And much is at stake.

Our image. Our reputation as a state that embraces people of diverse backgrounds and makes them feel welcome. And our efforts over many years to retool our economy, to attract talented workers and thriving businesses, and to improve the quality of life for millions of Hoosiers.

All of this is at risk because of a new law, the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, that no matter its original intent already has done enormous harm to our state and potentially our economic future.

The consequences will only get worse if our state leaders delay in fixing the deep mess created.

Half steps will not be enough. Half steps will not undo the damage.

Only bold action — action that sends an unmistakable message to the world that our state will not tolerate discrimination against any of its citizens — will be enough to reverse the damage.

261 lawhawk  Mar 30, 2015 7:38:05pm

re: #256 makeitstop

Working on 3 hours sleep over last 36 hours, but I got that covered way back up in 203. :)

262 lawhawk  Mar 30, 2015 7:41:03pm

Got some serious family medical issues going on so posting will be rather sparse. Could seriously use some good vibes, thoughts and prayers.

I’ll be much more likely to post on twitter, but right now, I’m heading to the rack.

263 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 30, 2015 7:41:18pm

topical:

‘indiana’, as played by the original dixieland jass band 1917

…

one of the very first jazz records ever made

264 makeitstop  Mar 30, 2015 7:42:01pm

re: #261 lawhawk

Working on 3 hours sleep over last 36 hours, but I got that covered way back up in 203. :)

I noticed. That’ll teach me to read the whole thread.

Nice to see you got Stuermer and Chester as well. I saw Chester with them on the ‘Trick of the Tail’ tour. ‘Los Endos’ with both he and Phil drumming was awesome.

265 A Cranky One  Mar 30, 2015 7:43:03pm

re: #258 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

gigantic can of worms, opened

266 Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2015 7:43:20pm

re: #241 goddamnedfrank

The comparison fails just keep on comin’!

267 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 7:44:24pm
268 goddamnedfrank  Mar 30, 2015 7:45:23pm

re: #266 Charles Johnson

The comparison fails just keep on comin’!

269 Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2015 7:48:22pm
270 Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2015 7:49:35pm
271 RadicalModerate  Mar 30, 2015 7:49:43pm

The Indiana RFRA can be summed up as such:

Mike Pence wants “Jim Crow Lite” for LGBT people.
The AFA wants Jim Crow.

272 Cheechako  Mar 30, 2015 7:51:56pm

re: #268 goddamnedfrank

Don’t forget: “No Shoes, No Shirt, No Service!”

273 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 30, 2015 7:52:21pm

re: #262 lawhawk

Got some serious family medical issues going on so posting will be rather sparse. Could seriously use some good vibes, thoughts and prayers.

I’ll be much more likely to post on twitter, but right now, I’m heading to the rack.

Prayers going up. Wishing many blessing for you and your Family.

274 Varek Raith  Mar 30, 2015 7:52:49pm

re: #272 Cheechako

Don’t forget: “No Shoes, No Shirt, No Service!”

Pants optional.

275 Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2015 7:53:03pm
276 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 30, 2015 7:53:21pm

re: #269 Charles Johnson

Rule #1 of being a journalist Chuckles: Don’t take things personal.

277 RadicalModerate  Mar 30, 2015 7:53:38pm

re: #270 Charles Johnson

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Don’t bring up split infinitives, because you know that proves evolution (of language).

278 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 30, 2015 7:54:23pm

re: #274 Varek Raith

Pants optional.

…

279 LastYearsMan  Mar 30, 2015 7:55:14pm

Worse for me than split infinitives was “ain’t”. Absolutely blew my mind when I first learned that ain’t used to be a perfectly fine contraction (for “am not”).

280 Decatur Deb  Mar 30, 2015 7:55:22pm

re: #270 Charles Johnson

If grammar is real, why are there still dangling participles?

They’re sort of like your appendix.

281 goddamnedfrank  Mar 30, 2015 7:56:02pm

The reason that this dude isn’t getting into Barton’s Steak and Seafood is not because he’s the gayest person imaginable.

282 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 7:56:51pm

re: #268 goddamnedfrank

Side note: Who the fuck uses Bing?

283 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 30, 2015 7:57:22pm

re: #277 RadicalModerate

Don’t bring up split infinitives, because you know that proves evolution (of language).

Ha! If language is evolving then how come we can read the Bible if you so smart? It was written only four thousand years after the Earth was created ya’ know.

284 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 7:59:17pm
285 prairiefire  Mar 30, 2015 8:01:40pm

re: #262 lawhawk

Prayers, Lawhawk.

286 Dark_Falcon  Mar 30, 2015 8:02:41pm

re: #284 Kragar

[Embedded content]

Send her this link, Kragar:

…

287 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 30, 2015 8:03:58pm

re: #284 Kragar

[Embedded content]

FYI The first pic in your example is a BW still shot from “The Blues Brothers” @Lindsay_Writer @goddamnedfrank

Fucking god.

288 goddamnedfrank  Mar 30, 2015 8:04:57pm
289 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 30, 2015 8:08:17pm

re: #277 RadicalModerate

Don’t bring up split infinitives, because you know that proves evolution (of language).

One of my biggest complaints about language education in China (and I have many) is the slavish focus on “book grammar.” Students from junior middle school onward do countless exercises on which English form is correct. In the early years, it’s not bad, but as they approach the college entrance exam, they have to know what is an attributive clause, an adverbial clause, and on and on. The exam questions are all multiple choice, and half the time, there are two or more correct answers, given current English usage. So, I’m often on the spot when it comes to explaining why the book answer is better than all the others. Half the time, I don’t know, because I never had an English grammar class.

Chinese students are so paranoid about their grammar that many don’t want to open their mouths to speak, for fear of making a mistake. And listening to conversational English confounds them, because we native speakers don’t always follow them grammar rulz.

On the other hand, the really top students have better English than most native speakers in America … Sarah Palin, for example.

290 A Cranky One  Mar 30, 2015 8:09:07pm

re: #262 lawhawk

Got some serious family medical issues going on so posting will be rather sparse. Could seriously use some good vibes, thoughts and prayers.

I’ll be much more likely to post on twitter, but right now, I’m heading to the rack.

Positive thoughts your way. Let us know if there is anything we can do to help.

Lizards can lend a hand if needed
291 psddluva4evah  Mar 30, 2015 8:09:48pm
292 WhatEVs  Mar 30, 2015 8:10:37pm

re: #282 Kragar

[Embedded content]

Side note: Who the fuck uses Bing?

My friends brother was disappointed. He and his friends had baseball bats at the ready and wanted to seriously fuck up those neo-nazis.

293 Lidane  Mar 30, 2015 8:11:24pm

YES.

…

294 #FergusonFireside  Mar 30, 2015 8:11:37pm

re: #262 lawhawk

love love love

295 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 30, 2015 8:16:49pm

re: #291 psddluva4evah

“Governor, Indiana is in a state of crisis. It is worse than you seem to understand”

The number of things that governor Pence seems to understand is being revealed as vanishingly small.

296 Dark_Falcon  Mar 30, 2015 8:17:07pm

re: #262 lawhawk

Got some serious family medical issues going on so posting will be rather sparse. Could seriously use some good vibes, thoughts and prayers.

I’ll be much more likely to post on twitter, but right now, I’m heading to the rack.

Good fortune to you and yours, Lawhawk.

297 Dark_Falcon  Mar 30, 2015 8:18:46pm

re: #262 lawhawk

I’d advise not spending too much time with Twitter, though. The place is turning ever more toxic:

Mortal Kombat Producer Walks Away From Twitter Over Family Threats

298 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 30, 2015 8:20:42pm

re: #297 Dark_Falcon

I never started with Twitter because it seemed ripe to turn out like the comments on YouTube.

299 BeachDem  Mar 30, 2015 8:24:11pm

re: #263 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

topical:

‘indiana’, as played by the original dixieland jass band 1917

[Embedded content]

one of the very first jazz records ever made

Also apropos:

…

Indiana wants me, Lord, I can’t go back there…

300 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 30, 2015 8:27:04pm

re: #297 Dark_Falcon

I’d advise not spending too much time with Twitter, though. The place is turning ever more toxic:

Mortal Kombat Producer Walks Away From Twitter Over Family Threats

A few years ago this might have been a bad career move for Himmerick—gotta get that social media engagement!—but today? Fuck it. Walk away, dude, and don’t come back. I know more and more people who are leaving Twitter because it’s simply not worth the hassle anymore, whether they’re receiving threats like these or are just sick of the community’s hostility and negative vibe in general.

The service was created to give people a means to share their thoughts, but if all those thoughts are going to amount in this business are threats made against the people making and talking about video games, then we may as well burn it all down and start over.

Fucking NAILED it.

301 teleskiguy  Mar 30, 2015 8:27:42pm

This is what happens when right-wing talk radio hosts get to elected office. You can now put up “Homos Forbidden” signs on your business in Indiana, in 2015.

It’ll get worse before it gets better. There’s an alarming number of state governments that are run by people who think like Mike Pence. And they’re emboldened to pass batshit crazy bills because their base now demands it. This, after non-stop fear since Obama took office. All apocalypse all the time on right wing media.

Fuck Republicans.

302 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 30, 2015 8:27:58pm

Why do I think Mike Pence is secretly enjoying all this brouhaha and is holed up somewhere right now cackling like an evil villain?

303 Belafon  Mar 30, 2015 8:28:55pm

re: #301 teleskiguy

This is what happens when right-wing talk radio hosts get to elected office. You can now put up “Homos Forbidden” signs on your business in Indiana, in 2015.

It’ll get worse before it gets better. There’s an alarming number of state governments that are run by people who think like Mike Pence. And they’re emboldened to pass batshit crazy bills because their base now demands it. This, after non-stop fear since Obama took office. All apocalypse all the time on right wing media.

Fuck Republicans.

I wonder how many civilizations were destroyed because religious people decided everyone else was doing it wrong.

304 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 8:31:26pm
305 Romantic Heretic  Mar 30, 2015 8:32:03pm

re: #262 lawhawk

Sending strength and positive vibes your way.

306 Dark_Falcon  Mar 30, 2015 8:32:18pm

re: #300 Eclectic Cyborg

Fucking NAILED it.

Yes, indeed, There’s no point to Twitter continuing to exist if it just serves to empower the assholes of the world.

307 teleskiguy  Mar 30, 2015 8:35:02pm

How are businesses that will express their “religious freedom” in Indiana going to determine who’s gay? Are they going to ask everybody that steps in?

If the Orwellian nature of how these assholes are using the words “religious freedom” hasn’t sunk in why are you reading this blog?!?

The perversion of the language is so goddamn striking. These people are desperate. Their minds are so clouded with hate that their actions are making second class citizens of thousands of Hoosiers. It’s pretty mind-boggling.

308 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 30, 2015 8:36:04pm
Seems about right…
309 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 30, 2015 8:46:51pm

re: #302 Eclectic Cyborg

Why do I think Mike Pence is secretly enjoying all this brouhaha and is holed up somewhere right now cackling like an evil villain?

Because conservatives’ number one priority is pissing off liberals?

310 jaunte  Mar 30, 2015 8:49:49pm

“…they want to act on their faith, and may not be able to be employed for example.”

The former Florida governor added, “People have a right to do that.”

311 BeachDem  Mar 30, 2015 8:50:05pm

I know there’s not a lot of Olbermann love in these parts, but even non-fans have to admit that when Keith goes on righteous rant, it’s a sight to behold (and I just know he loves it when he gets to talk politics on his sports show—heh.) Lots of great sports history in this one as well.

…

312 jaunte  Mar 30, 2015 8:51:00pm

Jeb bravely biting the lip as he takes a stand for discrimination.

313 Targetpractice  Mar 30, 2015 8:54:31pm

re: #310 jaunte

[Embedded content]

“…they want to act on their faith, and may not be able to be employed for example.”

The former Florida governor added, “People have a right to do that.”

And thus we get another example of how anybody who manages to survive long enough to win the GOP nomination is going to be DOA in the general election.

314 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 30, 2015 9:00:30pm

re: #310 jaunte

“…they want to act on their faith, and may not be able to be employed for example.”

So I’ll be able to bring my poisonous snakes to work if I vote for Brother Jebediah?

315 Varek Raith  Mar 30, 2015 9:00:58pm

KRUNK TOOTH HUUUURRRRRTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry.

316 jaunte  Mar 30, 2015 9:05:58pm

Rubio added: “I think people have the right to live out their religious faith in their own lives. They can’t impose it on you in your life. But they have a right to live it out in their own lives. And when you’re asking someone who provides professional services to do something, or be punished by law, that violates their faith, you’re violating that religious liberty that they have.”

Incoherence.

317 Targetpractice  Mar 30, 2015 9:06:00pm

Seriously, any GOP candidate who comes down in favor of this law without saying that there needs to be a law passed to grant the LGBT population of Indiana protection from discrimination is going to lugging this albatross all the way through the election. You cannot be “moderate” and on the side of legalizing discrimination.

318 teleskiguy  Mar 30, 2015 9:08:14pm
319 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 9:08:19pm

re: #316 jaunte

Question: How is asking a baker to bake a cake or a pharmacist to fill a prescription threatening their religious liberty?

320 jaunte  Mar 30, 2015 9:09:45pm

re: #319 Kragar

They need to be able to impose their principles on the surrounding populace.
Otherwise they don’t truly feel free.

321 retired cynic  Mar 30, 2015 9:10:08pm

re: #318 teleskiguy

A young Dain Ironfoot.

322 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 30, 2015 9:11:17pm

re: #317 Targetpractice

Seriously, any GOP candidate who comes down in favor of this law without saying that there needs to be a law passed to grant the LGBT population of Indiana protection from discrimination is going to lugging this albatross all the way through the election. You cannot be “moderate” and on the side of legalizing discrimination.

They really are down to depending on the 27% now. Problem is, they can get all of the 27% out to vote, and in an election with 50% turnout, that adds up to 54%, and here we are.

2016 is an open presidential year, so I’m hoping we can get a big enough turnout to win, but how long can we depend on this to save us from disaster?

323 freetoken  Mar 30, 2015 9:14:20pm

re: #319 Kragar

Question: How is asking a baker to bake a cake or a pharmacist to fill a prescription threatening their religious liberty?

Because in their opinion they would be helping those pour souls into eternal damnation.

Did you read the link I posted a few days ago, where some peasant asked Mullah Mohler if it was ok for a Christian to be hired as a laborer in building a Buddhist temple?

Apparently the layman felt it was wrong but was in search of guidance.

Sure enough, Mullah Mohler counseled his little lamb that indeed yes, it was wrong for a Christian to help build a Buddhist temple.

So this is the direction in which they are heading, in case you want to know where this whole affair is headed.

324 teleskiguy  Mar 30, 2015 9:14:43pm

re: #320 jaunte

They need to be able to impose their principles on the surrounding populace.

Isn’t it a requirement to spread the faith among these faithheads? The more fundamentalist the faith, the more boldly and loudly they proselytize.

I just realized something. There’s an awful number of people in power that are fundamentalists.

325 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 30, 2015 9:15:37pm

re: #298 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I never started with Twitter because it seemed ripe to turn out like the comments on YouTube.

Youtube commentary is calm, rational & mellow compared to twitter. Twitter is not worth any trying to save.

326 freetoken  Mar 30, 2015 9:16:48pm

You’re a Christian. You run a lumber store. Some Buddhist monk comes to you and wants to buy ten thousand board feet to build his temple?

Should said good Christian be forced to sell his lumber, to enable the Buddhist to go to hell?

Well?

327 Lidane  Mar 30, 2015 9:17:13pm

re: #316 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Incoherence.

Pointless incoherence at that. Rubio’s chances are even more DOA than Jindal’s.

328 jaunte  Mar 30, 2015 9:18:11pm

re: #326 freetoken

Before I decide… is the Buddhist monk also gay?

329 freetoken  Mar 30, 2015 9:19:23pm

re: #328 jaunte

Before I decide… is the Buddhist monk also gay?

Well, this particular Buddhist monk is a Muslim, and I don’t think the Buddhist Muslims allow gay, do they?

330 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 30, 2015 9:20:23pm

re: #324 teleskiguy

Isn’t it a requirement to spread the faith among these faithheads? The more fundamentalist the faith, the more boldly and loudly they proselytize.

I just realized something. There’s an awful number of people in power that are fundamentalists.

Embedded Image

It all really depends on your understanding of what evangelism really is. I’ve argued (see here littlegreenfootballs.com) that providing an example to follow is what was intended rather than the more common bible bashing that happens instead of evangelism all too often.

331 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 30, 2015 9:20:55pm

Last time it was month after month of new darlings in the “anyone but Romney” sweepstakes, each one quickly abandoned. Is this going to be a similar “anyone but Bush” hoedown, or did Rancid Prius curtailing the debate season put a spike in that? Any thoughts?

332 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 30, 2015 9:21:10pm

re: #328 jaunte

Before I decide… is the Buddhist monk also gay?

333 jaunte  Mar 30, 2015 9:25:51pm
334 jaunte  Mar 30, 2015 9:26:51pm
335 freetoken  Mar 30, 2015 9:35:25pm

re: #331 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The RNC appear to be in quiet mode. I suspect they spend their time in back-rooms with millionaires and billionaires trying to figure out how skin the Christo-cat.

336 CuriousLurker  Mar 30, 2015 9:37:35pm

re: #307 teleskiguy

How are businesses that will express their “religious freedom” in Indiana going to determine who’s gay? Are they going to ask everybody that steps in?

If the Orwellian nature of how these assholes are using the words “religious freedom” hasn’t sunk in why are you reading this blog?!?

The perversion of the language is so goddamn striking. These people are desperate. Their minds are so clouded with hate that their actions are making second class citizens of thousands of Hoosiers. It’s pretty mind-boggling.

I think they’re terrified. They see the train of change bearing down on them at frightening speed and they’re doing everything they can think of to try to stop it, to no avail, I think (hope)—the majority of Americans seem to have made up their minds and are moving forward, barking dogs be damned.

Middle Eastern Proverb
337 Single-handed sailor  Mar 30, 2015 9:42:47pm

re: #336 CuriousLurker

…looks like the dog is taking a poop.

338 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 30, 2015 9:42:59pm

And now that my favorite web comic has updated for the night to my amusement, (questionable content) it is time to wander to bed as it’s the only night of the week I can chose to do so at this time of day.

Night all!

339 CuriousLurker  Mar 30, 2015 9:43:42pm

re: #337 Single-handed sailor

…looks like the dog is taking a poop.

LOL, yeah it does—never noticed that before.

340 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 30, 2015 9:45:17pm

Oh, wait, before I go I have to share this…

341 CuriousLurker  Mar 30, 2015 9:46:13pm

re: #340 William Barnett-Lewis

Oh, wait, before I go I have to share this…

[Embedded content]

Good one!

It’s after midnight here, so I think it’s time for me to head on out too.

G’nite, lizards.

342 b_sharp  Mar 30, 2015 9:46:42pm

Charles, every time I move back to the LGF tab, LGF does a full refresh. It gets quite frustrating on a tablet because the site bounces around as everything loads.

343 CuriousLurker  Mar 30, 2015 9:58:24pm

I’m pretty sure it’s a tablet issue, not an LGF issue—my iPad Mini does the same thing. I don’t even have to switch tabs, sometimes it just does it when I tilt it a certain way. It does it whether I’m using Chrome or Safari and I’ve never been able to figure out how to make it stop, which is why I almost never use it here.

Okay, now I’m really leaving.

Later, lizards.

344 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 30, 2015 10:31:56pm

re: #342 b_sharp

With my Android devices, clicking “New Comments” refreshes the entire page, as does tabbing. I suspect the pages are swapped into/out of RAM as needed.

345 nkdee  Mar 31, 2015 5:07:36am

re: #172 Justanotherhuman

“My words were wrong. My tone was wrong. My choice of scripture was wrong. Everything I did about that report was wrong,…” He is trying the old GOTP meme. He did NOT apologize for what he said. He apologized for choosing the wrong words, scripture and report.


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