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1 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 30, 2015 9:56:56pm

Religious freedom means that bakers are free to express their disapproval of the homosexual lifestyle even as they are filling a gay couple’s orders.

They can quote them all the relevant passages about exactly what the Bible calls for us to do to homosexuals while flourishing a bag of frosting in their direction and reminding them where they are going to end up…perhaps more sooner than later.

/

2 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 30, 2015 10:10:48pm
As my grandmother used to say, “You can gild a turd, but you can’t make it smell no better.”

Gov. Pence and his band of legislators are working overtime to enhance this turd with a thin chocolate coating. And, because they have so many nuts on hand already…

3 Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2015 10:12:37pm
4 darthstar  Mar 30, 2015 10:24:08pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

The joys of barely finishing high school and having the only college accomplishment be the act of defecating on a floor.

5 goddamnedfrank  Mar 30, 2015 10:24:22pm

Assholster, wtf? This, apparently, is the guy who’s been harassing Imani and Rebecca of Wonkette for years. Some kind of recent Art Criticism grad. Warning, there aren’t enough drugs on the planet to make the following video watchable:

…

6 darthstar  Mar 30, 2015 10:26:26pm

re: #2 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Gov. Pence and his band of legislators are working overtime to enhance this turd with a thin chocolate coating. And, because they have so many nuts on hand already…

The smart move would have been not to write the bill in the first place.
The next smartest move would have been not to vote on it(and pass it).
The next smartest move would have been a veto.
Re-clarifying the bill with further legislation that has the added risk factor of teabaggers slipping even more vile language into it falls somewhere below this line.

7 darthstar  Mar 30, 2015 10:27:30pm
8 darthstar  Mar 30, 2015 10:29:00pm

Fucking brilliant:

“This whole anti-gay bill they were producing here was just a horrid little thing that everybody was watching real closely, and it became evident that this state thinks more about religion than it does about government or equal rights or anything else,” said Bill Levin, founder of the First Church of Cannabis, during a recent interview with HIGH TIMES. “I filed the papers with the Secretary of State on Thursday, as soon as Mikey signed off on that damn bill, and it came back the next morning that it was accepted.”

This means the state of Indiana, which has blatantly refused to even hear legislation to legalize marijuana, has officially recognized the First Church of Cannabis as a legitimate ministry and acknowledges the religion, which Levin calls “Cannabiterian,” as an accepted faith. The church now has just as much freedom to operate as any other denomination in the state.

9 darthstar  Mar 30, 2015 10:30:36pm
10 Lidane  Mar 30, 2015 10:30:59pm
11 darthstar  Mar 30, 2015 10:32:12pm

One benefit of Indiana’s new law is the accelerated implosion of the special needs Bush who is next in line for the throne.

12 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 30, 2015 10:34:08pm

re: #8 darthstar

So, they can light up during services? The rastas need to hear about this one.

13 darthstar  Mar 30, 2015 10:35:47pm

re: #10 Lidane

Well, it’s either that or watch the state’s economy head into the shitter at breakneck speed as businesses, then students and teachers, and finally middle class residents flee the state in droves. Indiana will make Detroit look like an economic Mecca by comparison.

14 Lidane  Mar 30, 2015 10:36:00pm

In other news, John Sununu is still alive and still a complete tool:

15 darthstar  Mar 30, 2015 10:36:39pm

re: #12 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

So, they can light up during services? The rastas need to hear about this one.

Take this and hit on it, for this is my blunt, which I have rolled for you…

16 darthstar  Mar 30, 2015 10:37:37pm

re: #14 Lidane

In other news, John Sununu is still alive and still a complete tool:

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And he still looks like the extra in those old boys school movies who trusted the headmaster to the end.

17 BeachDem  Mar 30, 2015 10:44:48pm

Damn, there I was, working away in Durham, when I could have been just down the road in Raleigh, helping upchuck take another “scalp.”

Talk about bad timing//// (Does the ginger avenger EVER do his own “work?”

18 goddamnedfrank  Mar 30, 2015 10:51:26pm

re: #17 BeachDem

Damn, there I was, working away in Durham, when I could have been just down the road in Raleigh, helping upchuck take another “scalp.”

Talk about bad timing//// (Does the ginger avenger EVER do his own “work?”

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Reported that tweet twice as targeted harassment and as a threat of violence, because it absolutely can be read that way.

19 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 30, 2015 10:58:05pm

re: #17 BeachDem

Damn, there I was, working away in Durham, when I could have been just down the road in Raleigh, helping upchuck take another “scalp.”

Talk about bad timing//// (Does the ginger avenger EVER do his own “work?”

CCJ has a new shiny thing to play with. He’s been combing the ‘Net for potentially damaging stuff on Noah, and as usual failing to find anything CC probably hasn’t already seen. It’s like closing the barn doors after the horses have run off.

Plus, he doesn’t understand South African politics, but is pretending he does, because of his degrees from Google U and the University of Wiki.

20 BeachDem  Mar 30, 2015 10:59:56pm

re: #19 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Plus, he doesn’t understand South African politics, but is pretending he does, because of his degrees from Google U and the University of Wiki.

He also doesn’t understand humor…or satire…or really much of anything.

21 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 30, 2015 11:08:28pm

re: #20 BeachDem

Indeed.

22 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 30, 2015 11:09:10pm

Time to go teach some stuff to some people. Laterz.

24 freetoken  Mar 30, 2015 11:17:41pm

These twitter wingnuts… remind me of Mr. B-flat Minor:

Video

25 BeachDem  Mar 30, 2015 11:30:39pm

Talk about a change in perception:

Matt Yglesias about Mike Pence in 2008:

I can tell you this about Mike Pence: he has no idea what he’s talking about. The man is a fool, who deserves to be laughed at…

He didn’t know anything at all, in short, about investing, financial markets, or, seemingly, the basic terms of public policy. And yet there he was speaking on the topic at Heritage. He’s a total fraud…

the Pence far-right crisis “plan” which, as you’ll see, is also utterly fraudulent.

thinkprogress.org

Yglesias in 2014—7 Reason Mike Pence will be the GOP nominee in 2016

Pence was a solid supply-sider as a member of Congress, and took Reaganesque fiscal thinking to new heights in his draft proposal for Social Security privatization…this kind of thing is the time-tested way to sell conservative economic policy and freed from the constraints of Obama-era debates about Keynes, Pence is the ideal person to bring it back.

vox.com

Wonder what Matty thinks about Pence today.

26 goddamnedfrank  Mar 30, 2015 11:42:09pm

Gay military complex?

27 freetoken  Mar 30, 2015 11:46:15pm

re: #26 goddamnedfrank

Do ghey commandoes wear pink and purple camo?

28 Ace-o-aces  Mar 30, 2015 11:47:39pm
29 freetoken  Mar 30, 2015 11:50:38pm

re: #26 goddamnedfrank

She sounds like A-minor:

Video

30 Ace-o-aces  Mar 30, 2015 11:56:32pm
31 Kragar  Mar 30, 2015 11:58:49pm

re: #26 goddamnedfrank

Gay military complex?

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She blocked me when I said Chuck’s racist followers were sacks of shit

32 Ace-o-aces  Mar 31, 2015 12:00:45am
33 goddamnedfrank  Mar 31, 2015 12:07:30am

re: #31 Kragar

She blocked me when I said Chuck’s racist followers were sacks of shit

I muted her. She’s super old and uses hotmail and will probably die soon from horribleness.

34 Ace-o-aces  Mar 31, 2015 12:40:54am

re: #33 goddamnedfrank

I muted her. She’s super old and uses hotmail and will probably die soon from horribleness.

Hey, I use hotmail…..:(

35 goddamnedfrank  Mar 31, 2015 12:52:07am

re: #34 Ace-o-aces

Sorry bro.

I spits hot fire!
36 TedStriker  Mar 31, 2015 12:56:40am

re: #35 goddamnedfrank

Sorry bro.

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Chappelle’s Show fan (with the caption under Bowser there)?

Youtube Video

37 Single-handed sailor  Mar 31, 2015 1:04:04am

ISISU, I wonder if they have a football team yet.//

38 The Week Of No Pie  Mar 31, 2015 1:06:55am

It’s middle of the night in USA, finally here in Prague!

First the bad news:

Our flight was delayed twice, the first flight was cancelled and then the second flight they couldn’t find a crew! We were stuck in Amsterdam for 7 hours.

We finally made it to Prague at 8:30 PM but then spend another 2 hours at the baggage claim because they lost Zedushka’s garment bag! Which was kind of inevitable when you think about the number of aircraft and flight delays that were involved. So we are waiting for KLM to deliver it to the apartment in Prague where we are staying for the next 2 days.

On top of that it’s cold & raining, not the best kind of weather to stroll around and explore. :(

Now the good news,

this apartment is a palace! 2 bedrooms, completely furnished, fully equipped kitchen (not that we are planning on having a dinner party) right in the middle of Josefov. One of the views from the apartment window is the Old Cemetery (inorite)

I just looked outside. The rain has stopped, they are setting up the souvenir stalls on the Maiselova.

39 The Week Of No Pie  Mar 31, 2015 1:11:37am
40 Dr Lizardo  Mar 31, 2015 1:27:44am

re: #38 The Mother Of All Pies

It’s middle of the night in USA, finally here in Prague!

First the bad news:

Our flight was delayed twice, the first flight was cancelled and then the second flight they couldn’t find a crew! We were stuck in Amsterdam for 7 hours.

We finally made it to Prague at 8:30 PM but then spend another 2 hours at the baggage claim because they lost Zedushka’s garment bag! Which was kind of inevitable when you think about the number of aircraft and flight delays that were involved. So we are waiting for KLM to deliver it to the apartment in Prague where we are staying for the next 2 days.

On top of that it’s cold & raining, not the best kind of weather to stroll around and explore. :(

Now the good news,

this apartment is a palace! 2 bedrooms, completely furnished, fully equipped kitchen (not that we are planning on having a dinner party) right in the middle of Josefov. One of the views from the apartment window is the Old Cemetery (inorite)

I just looked outside. The rain has stopped, they are setting up the souvenir stalls on the Maiselova.

Nice; glad you made it without too much hassle. Yeah, the weather here in the Czech Republic is supposed to be rainy and windy for the next week or so, unfortunately. Still, there’s plenty to see in Prague. A word of caution - don’t take a taxi in Prague, because they’ll rip you off blind. Prague taxi drivers are notorious for charging foreign tourists double or triple the normal rates. There’s now a special police squad dedicated to catching these hucksters.

That being said, enjoy!

41 The Week Of No Pie  Mar 31, 2015 1:34:10am

re: #40 Dr Lizardo

Nice; glad you made it without too much hassle. Yeah, the weather here in the Czech Republic is supposed to be rainy and windy for the next week or so, unfortunately. Still, there’s plenty to see in Prague. A word of caution - don’t take a taxi in Prague, because they’ll rip you off blind. Prague taxi drivers are notorious for charging foreign tourists double or triple the normal rates. There’s now a special police squad dedicated to catching these hucksters.

That being said, enjoy!

LOL thanks for the tip! Everything we want to see is walking distance, and the person we are renting the apartment from sent a driver to pick us up at the airport, and will return us to the airport tomorrow night for the flight to Tel Aviv.

Zedushka is staying in the apartment to wait for the delivery of our misplaced bag, and the rain has stopped so I’m going out to change some money and get breakfast.

42 Dr Lizardo  Mar 31, 2015 1:36:35am

re: #41 The Mother Of All Pies

LOL thanks for the tip! Everything we want to see is walking distance, and the person we are renting the apartment from sent a driver to pick us up at the airport, and will return us to the airport tomorrow night for the flight to Tel Aviv.

Zedushka is staying in the apartment to wait for the delivery of our misplaced bag, and the rain has stopped so I’m going out to change some money and get breakfast.

Good to hear. There’s much to see in Prague; I lived in Prague for nine years, and I’m sure there’s parts of it I never got to, LOL. It’s never a dull city, that’s for sure. :D

43 Dr Lizardo  Mar 31, 2015 1:41:37am

OK…..off to teach! Back later tonight.

44 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Mar 31, 2015 2:04:13am

Damn, now I want to go visit Prague. :/ Evening Lizardem.

45 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2015 2:05:28am

The Republican strategist behind the smear campaign of MO state auditor Tom Schweick, found dead of suicide last month, is still flourishing by moving from MO to TX as the chief political strategist for Ted Cruz. And Sunday the media director for Schweick was also found a suicide. And Missouri Republican Party Chairman John Hancock, who evidently started the whisper campaign, refuses to step down.

Rachel Maddow had a great story on it last night: msnbc.com

The Republican Party has become so unethical, so corrupt and venal, it’s a wonder it can run any campaign these days, but that appears where they’re most successful, first against Democrats and now within their own party.

Mostly they’re doing so by spreading fear, lies, and insinuations, but they also have power and money. What are they really doing to this country? That’s what I fear most—and some people are merely lapping it up without paying any attention to what they’re being fed.

This, and laws like the “religious freedom” law in Indiana should be waking up more people than those already against it. There’s a lot of work ahead. Is the country really prepared for this kind of fight? Can we isolate that kind of thinking and change it?

46 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2015 2:08:54am

“Marriage” is changing, even in Japan.

Tokyo’s Shibuya Ward adopts ordinance to recognize same-sex unions as being ‘equivalent to marriage’ - @japantimes

japantimes.co.jp

47 Decatur Deb  Mar 31, 2015 2:14:21am

re: #27 freetoken

Do ghey commandoes wear pink and purple camo?

Only if the theatre is the Painted Desert.

48 The Week Of No Pie  Mar 31, 2015 2:15:22am
49 The Week Of No Pie  Mar 31, 2015 2:15:39am
50 The Week Of No Pie  Mar 31, 2015 2:17:32am

the sidewalks are full of tourists even though it’s pouring rain.

I went out to change some money and then get some coffee. Still too wet to go walking around, the bottom of my skirt is soaked! We’re still waiting for Zedushka’s bag.

I should buy an umbrella.

51 Decatur Deb  Mar 31, 2015 2:28:45am

re: #50 The Mother Of All Pies

the sidewalks are full of tourists even though it’s pouring rain.

I went out to change some money and then get some coffee. Still too wet to go walking around, the bottom of my skirt is soaked! We’re still waiting for Zedushka’s bag.

I should buy an umbrella.

How did Prague fare physically during the fighting in WWII?

52 The Week Of No Pie  Mar 31, 2015 2:29:55am

re: #51 Decatur Deb

How did Prague fare physically during the fighting in WWII?

I wasn’t there.

53 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2015 2:33:48am

re: #52 The Mother Of All Pies

Glad you’re having a wonderful time! I don’t think Turkey is on your Itinerary, is it?

Electricity blackouts in at least 23 Turkish provinces including Ankara and Istanbul - @is_fink
end of alert

54 The Week Of No Pie  Mar 31, 2015 2:34:09am

I want to go out but IT’S RAINING REALLY HARD NOW.

55 The Week Of No Pie  Mar 31, 2015 2:34:31am

This sucks.

56 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2015 2:37:55am

Weather in Prague:

Celsius: bbc.com

Farenheit, 10 day: weather.com

Snow on Thurs?

57 The Week Of No Pie  Mar 31, 2015 2:39:01am

re: #56 Justanotherhuman

Weather in Prague:

Celsius: bbc.com

Farenheit, 10 day: weather.com

Snow on Thurs?

We’ll be in Israel by Thursday.

58 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2015 2:41:36am

re: #57 The Mother Of All Pies

We’ll be in Israel by Thursday.

Looks like 60s and partly cloudy after tomorrow (rain). You can warm up and dry out. : )

59 Decatur Deb  Mar 31, 2015 2:42:34am

re: #52 The Mother Of All Pies

I wasn’t there.

Check the building— is it a new Old New Synagogue or an old Old New Synagogue?

60 The Week Of No Pie  Mar 31, 2015 2:45:43am

re: #59 Decatur Deb

Check the building— is it a new Old New Synagoue or an old Old New Synagogue?

The “old” part is 13th century and the “new” part is 16th century…

So it’s really the Old Old

Streets are crowded with tourists now but it’s still raining buckets.

61 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2015 2:47:21am

Privatization, working for you. //

Police Search for Escaped Prisoner at Inova Fairfax Hospital

nbcwashington.com

“Fairfax County Police say Wossen Assaye was in the custody of a private security guard when he escaped at about 4 a.m. Tuesday. Police say Assaye is armed and dangerous.” More

62 Alyosha  Mar 31, 2015 2:48:37am

re: #48 The Mother Of All Pies

If I had to guess where that synagogue is located based solely on architecture, never in a million years would I answer Prague. Maybe Quito or something like that. Very cool :)

63 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2015 2:51:25am

Turkey’s energy ministry says they can’t tell whether blackout is a cyber attack or technical fault - @selingirit
end of alert

7m
Turkish PM does not rule out possibility of terror attack in cause of blackout affecting Turkey - @selingirit
end of alert

64 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2015 2:55:32am

re: #62 Alyosha

If I had to guess where that synagogue is located based solely on architecture, never in a million years would I answer Prague. Maybe Quito or something like that. Very cool :)

It’s an example of gothic architecture.

en.wikipedia.org

65 The Week Of No Pie  Mar 31, 2015 3:00:54am

OMG did the sun just come out?

66 Alyosha  Mar 31, 2015 3:01:21am

re: #64 Justanotherhuman

It’s an example of gothic architecture.

en.wikipedia.org

In case it wasn’t obvious before, it should be now. An expert I’m not :)

67 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2015 3:01:57am

re: #64 Justanotherhuman

It’s an example of gothic architecture.

en.wikipedia.org

Yes, really cool. If I had to choose between modern and gothic, I’d take gothic every time, with its rich detail. Imagine the work that went into those buildings.
: ) Real artistry.

68 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2015 3:05:18am

re: #66 Alyosha

List of Gothic architecture (by country): en.wikipedia.org

69 Alyosha  Mar 31, 2015 3:12:00am

re: #68 Justanotherhuman

When I think of Gothic architecture, I always go straight for those insanely spacious and finely-appointed cathedrals in France and Germany. The influence on the New Old Synagogue isn’t immediately obvious until I saw pics of the interior. Thanks for the link.
(Edited)

70 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2015 3:16:32am

re: #69 Alyosha

Oh, you’re welcome. I’m no expert either, but Gothic is fascinating, given the time period, the power and wealth of the Catholic church, and the living conditions of the majority of people.

71 Alyosha  Mar 31, 2015 3:23:20am

re: #70 Justanotherhuman

I’m now trying to think of some gorgeous monument built whether to the glory of God or for the edification of a ruler of some vanity, ostensibly for the former reason, that could not have been accomplished without an impoverished nation. I guess you’d have to go back to classical Greece but I guess my idea of an enlightened population might be romanticised.

72 Alyosha  Mar 31, 2015 3:25:26am

re: #71 Alyosha

Trump Towers?

/

73 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2015 3:31:45am

re: #71 Alyosha

I’m now trying to think of some gorgeous monument built whether to the glory of God or for the edification of a ruler of some vanity, ostensibly for the former reason, that could not have been accomplished without an impoverished nation. I guess you’d have to go back to classical Greece but I guess my idea of an enlightened population might be romanticised.

Yes, well, I imagine that the forebears of most of us during that period probably lived in one room huts w/dirt floors w/a fire in the middle of the room, were under the control of the “lord” and had little to call their own, most of it going whoever ruled over them w/a bit left to eat. Unless you were born into a certain class, there was very little way to improve your lot unless you were able to curry favor in some fashion.

74 BlackPearl  Mar 31, 2015 3:33:52am

The gothic cathedrals here in northern Germany are neat because they’re made of red brick instead of the huge white stones typical to Paris:

Since a lot of the cities here were part of the Hanseatic League, a non-feudal trading consortium, the cathedrals weren’t as much built on the backs of the poor as in a feudal society. …though I imagine a solid social safety net would have been a better use of the money as always. :)

75 BlackPearl  Mar 31, 2015 3:38:08am

And actually the Heiligen-Geist Hospital in the same city was built as a hospital for the poor and a home for the elderly in the 13th century, and it’s also a beautiful Gothic building:

76 Decatur Deb  Mar 31, 2015 3:39:39am

re: #74 BlackPearl

The gothic cathedrals here in northern Germany are neat because they’re made of red brick instead of the huge white stones typical to Paris:

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Since a lot of the cities here were part of the Hanseatic League, a non-feudal trading consortium, the cathedrals weren’t as much built on the backs of the poor as in a feudal society. …though I imagine a solid social safety net would have been a better use of the money as always. :)

You could also look at the multi-generational construction projects as a way of redistributing wealth and work. The people designing and executing those buildings were the emerging urban middle class.

77 Alyosha  Mar 31, 2015 3:43:13am

re: #73 Justanotherhuman

Yes, well, I imagine that the forebears of most of us during that period probably lived in one room huts w/dirt floors w/a fire in the middle of the room, were under the control of the “lord” and had little to call their own, most of it going whoever ruled over them w/a bit left to eat. Unless you were born into a certain class, there was very little way to improve your lot unless you were able to curry favor in some fashion.

I guess these days you just become a Koch-bot in hopes that one day your pathetic self-abasement gets noticed by a Maker talent scout. This delusion must keep the lords amused.

78 Decatur Deb  Mar 31, 2015 3:44:59am

Favorite book on the cathedral impulse:

amazon.com

The building was locked in a hundred years or so before anyone knew how to complete it. IIRC it remained the largest dome until the 1960s.

79 Decatur Deb  Mar 31, 2015 3:49:01am

Got a working link now.

80 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2015 4:03:59am

re: #75 BlackPearl

But it was merchant Bertram Morneweg and other merchants who built it, based no doubt on their own interests in selling their wares and developing a more extensive consumer class. That was, I suppose, an enlightened attitude for the period. Plus, we don’t know what those people had to give up in any money or property of any sort in order to enter.

“The residents of the hospital were subjected to a monastery-like rule, but they were given food and since the 17th century, eight times a year a warm bath.” Who knows if they got any baths before then? : /

Who knows if the “residents” were better off, or not?

translate.google.com

81 Alyosha  Mar 31, 2015 4:10:07am

Link

Most anyone who knows anything about ecclesiastical buildings knows of the Sangrada Familia. My father told me about it when I was a teenager and for some reason it stuck with me. A mix of Art Nouveau and Gothic. It’s my favorite Catholic building because it reminds me of a sandcastle. One could build turrets and spires by dripping water-saturated sand through the fingers. Quite pretty and as yet incomplete.

(Sorry if the link sucks, I’d blame my device but it could be the shoddy worksman metaphor at work)

82 Nyet  Mar 31, 2015 4:10:13am

re: #25 BeachDem

I don’t see any contradiction between the two quotes. Especially considering the part you left out of the second one.

83 Alyosha  Mar 31, 2015 4:12:17am

en.m.wikipedia.org

Link stinks

84 Alyosha  Mar 31, 2015 4:12:55am

Better ;)

85 Nyet  Mar 31, 2015 4:15:55am

re: #81 Alyosha

I think I posted my photo of it a few weeks ago.

86 Decatur Deb  Mar 31, 2015 4:16:58am

re: #83 Alyosha

en.m.wikipedia.org

Link stinks

Works here. Looks like the pope says it’s ‘finished enough’. Reminds me of this, in Cappadocia:

87 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2015 4:17:05am

re: #83 Alyosha

Benedict…heh.

“Although incomplete, the church is a UNESCO World Heritage Site,[5] and in November 2010 Pope Benedict XVI consecrated and proclaimed it a minor basilica,”

88 Alyosha  Mar 31, 2015 4:17:17am

re: #85 Nyet

As I recall you did indeed.

89 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2015 4:19:23am

BBL.

90 Alyosha  Mar 31, 2015 4:20:06am

re: #86 Decatur Deb

‘We have sufficient gilded buckets to catch the rainwater which is then made holy to fill the font.’

91 Alyosha  Mar 31, 2015 4:32:44am

re: #90 Alyosha

<sigh>

After today’s (or for most of you, yesterday’s) grammatical wranglings, I have entirely lost faith in the construction of my last comment haha

92 Decatur Deb  Mar 31, 2015 4:37:56am

re: #90 Alyosha

‘We have sufficient gilded buckets to catch the rainwater which is then made holy to fill the font.’

There’s this, the Watts Towers. Not a cathedral, but not bad for a solo job:

93 Decatur Deb  Mar 31, 2015 4:40:11am

Foggy dogwalk. BBL.

94 Doofus  Mar 31, 2015 4:51:49am

Census-gate continues…

Johnson this week will ask President Obama to remove Zinser from office because of a pattern of alleged misconduct, including retaliation against whistle-blowers and the hiring of someone suspected of being his girlfriend.

Zinser is the current inspector general of the US Commerce Department

95 Alyosha  Mar 31, 2015 5:04:44am

re: #94 Doofus

Don’t know much, if anything, about ‘Censusgate’, but the mention of American ‘frugality’ persisting in spite of a better jobs market may simply reflect an attitude which will persist after a major financial sector collapse. I’m no economist but if wages don’t match growth (and things are getting better) people won’t spend as much. Similar climate here.
Why spend more on wages and create more disposable income when you can always cut costs? Disease of austerity at work.

96 lawhawk  Mar 31, 2015 5:22:57am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Just a quick thanks to everyone sending the warm wishes, thoughts, and prayers as my family and I go through some serious medically-related issues. I noted yesterday that you’ll probably catch me on twitter easier than here. Dark noted that twitter was probably not the greatest place, but thing is that where I’ve been spending a lot of time has limited connectivity and my smartphone is good for twitter, and I never really tried to do lgf mobile. Might give that a go.

97 darthstar  Mar 31, 2015 5:27:21am
98 darthstar  Mar 31, 2015 5:29:27am

Mornin’ everyone. I really hope Iran and the P5+1 come to an agreement. I’m really sick of war being the only choice we have for dealing with each other on this planet.

99 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2015 5:31:24am

re: #95 Alyosha

This article may show an important factor; older workers generally will be more frugal and most already have the kinds of consumer goods younger workers are working toward, such as a house, car, furniture, appliances, etc. and can put off those purchases in light of their new circumstances. They will also attempt to save more money or assets they own.

Losing a job is always terrible. For workers over 50, it’s worse.

New data from AARP shows that older workers stay unemployed longer, and their new jobs pay less.

washingtonpost.com

Edit: Plus, lessons learned from 2007-08.

100 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 31, 2015 5:33:52am

re: #99 Justanotherhuman

I’m grateful to be employed at age 59, even if it is in China. I could have stayed at my previous job in the States, but at great cost to my psyche and health, I suspect.

101 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2015 5:34:57am

re: #95 Alyosha

Maybe this is a clue about Zinser:

“Todd J. Zinser was sworn in as the fifth Inspector General of the U.S. Department of Commerce on December 26, 2007.”

A Bush leftover.

oig.doc.gov

102 Dark_Falcon  Mar 31, 2015 5:35:41am

re: #5 goddamnedfrank

Assholster, wtf? This, apparently, is the guy who’s been harassing Imani and Rebecca of Wonkette for years. Some kind of recent Art Criticism grad. Warning, there aren’t enough drugs on the planet to make the following video watchable:

[Embedded content]

It’s not about harassment, it’s about ethics in political journalism!

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103 Alyosha  Mar 31, 2015 5:36:26am

One of the reasons I’m eager to read President Obama’s presidential biography is to see how he dealt with the GFC. One good book I read (it was a gift that worked out) was Jonathan Alter’s The Promise.
Might read it again. Dealt with Obama’s first full year in office. The Republicans back in 2008 were more amenable. If that can even be imagined. Shit has changed so much.
As an outsider, I cannot express how much respect I have for Arlen Spector. Those town hall meetings he stuck through after switching. Goddamn…

104 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2015 5:40:16am

re: #100 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Yes, you probably did make a good decision and got to see that part of the world while you were still capable. Easier to start anew while you’re still relatively young.

I know I enjoy your reports and posts here very much (and those of others here) since I’ll probably never get the hell out of the States ever. : )

105 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 31, 2015 5:43:19am

re: #104 Justanotherhuman

Yes, you probably did make a good decision and got to see that part of the world while you were still capable. Easier to start anew while you’re still relatively young.

I know I enjoy your reports and posts here very much (and those of others here) since I’ll probably never get the hell out of the States ever. : )

Never say never. At least, you can give it a go as a tourist. I met a Swiss woman, aged 81, who was traveling through China with little more than a camera and backpack.

Plus, there’s always Canada and Mexico. They’re not too far away. ;-)

106 Alyosha  Mar 31, 2015 5:45:30am

re: #99 Justanotherhuman

I’m a man of limited skills who works in retail so I’ve seen first hand the pressures that exist on senior workers. Some working mothers have recently championed my own efforts against the management decisions to cut my hours back to their own and I cannot imagine how I could possibly support a family on my wage.
I might also be indirectly responsible for getting our union rep. fired as a result of a conversation I’d had with the store manager that got a tad out of hand.
If I lived in Stateside I’d be out of a job too.

107 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2015 5:45:43am

re: #105 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Oh, I’ve been to Mexico and Canada when I was younger.

But no money for travel these days. I’m investing what little I have in the future for the youngsters. : )

108 darthstar  Mar 31, 2015 5:47:50am

“I think she can’t do the Heisman on the first four years of the Obama foreign policy,” Bush told conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt.

That’s Jeb, not George, confusing Heisman and Heimlich.
politico.com

109 Eventual Carrion  Mar 31, 2015 5:48:13am

re: #15 darthstar

Take this and hit on it, for this is my blunt, which I have rolled for you…

Yeaman.

110 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2015 5:50:28am

re: #108 darthstar

Haha, another inept Bush who’s just faking it.

And not very well.

111 Alyosha  Mar 31, 2015 5:50:51am

Before I sign out for the night I’m encouraged by the fact that those of you who have disclosed your age tend to be at least a decade older than you appear.
Hopefully that’s not taken as an insult, but as someone whose immediate elders tend to be close-minded -holy shit!- the world is wide, people diverse, and nature’s bounty near inexhaustible.

Most pessimistic conclusion: the world’s finest meet here.
Edited: Plus a single decade’s grace for most of you IS pretty insulting :D

112 Dark_Falcon  Mar 31, 2015 5:51:20am

re: #87 Justanotherhuman

Benedict…heh.

“Although incomplete, the church is a UNESCO World Heritage Site,[5] and in November 2010 Pope Benedict XVI consecrated and proclaimed it a minor basilica,”

What ‘heh’? When he celebrated the church’s Consecration Mass, the shurch was packed with 6,500 people, and another 50,000 followed it from screens outside. Then-pope Benedict wasn’t doing anything wrong, he was just doing his duty as head of the Catholic Church.

113 darthstar  Mar 31, 2015 5:52:12am

re: #110 Justanotherhuman

Haha, another inept Bush who’s just faking it.

And not very well.

I’ll bet you never thought George was the smart one.

114 Alyosha  Mar 31, 2015 5:54:11am

re: #112 Dark_Falcon

What ‘heh’? When he celebrated the church’s Consecration Mass, the shurch was packed with 6,500 people, and another 50,000 followed it from screens outside. Then-pope Benedict wasn’t doing anything wrong, he was just doing his duty as head of the Catholic Church.

Only coz the scaffolds prevented the 50 000 from being inside ;)

Justadigatcha

115 Dr. Matt  Mar 31, 2015 5:54:35am

Bank closes Brooksville pawn, gun shop owner’s account

Of course the story, originally linked from FB, tried to spin the story as some nefarious anti-gun move. But once you read 3/4 of the way down you see real reason:

“SunTrust is pro-small business, and we are proud to serve more than 400,000 small business clients. SunTrust fully supports all of the rights that Americans are granted under the Constitution, and we continue to maintain banking relationships with licensed firearms dealers. It is consistent with long-standing industry practice to review relationships to ensure they satisfy a range of business and risk considerations. We have decided to discontinue banking relationships with three types of businesses - specifically payday lenders, pawn shops and dedicated check-cashers - due to compliance requirements. We remain committed to serving the needs of our communities while meeting the standards of our industry.”

I applaud Suntrust for cutting ties with such vultures.

116 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2015 5:55:41am

re: #111 Alyosha

I always tell my real age—74—and don’t give a flying fuck who knows it. : )

In spite of never achieving much (as “success” is defined in the modern world), I’ve had a great life and have loved and been loved by those who matter to me. I think that is as much as I want, as I’ve ever wanted.

117 darthstar  Mar 31, 2015 5:56:42am
118 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 31, 2015 5:57:09am

re: #111 Alyosha

Before I sign out for the night I’m encouraged by the fact that those of you who have disclosed your age tend to be at least a decade older than you are.
Hopefully that’s not taken as an insult, but as someone whose immediate elders tend to be close-minded -holy shit!- the world is wide, people diverse, and nature’s bounty near inexhaustible.

Most pessimistic conclusion: the world’s finest meet here.

I’m perpetually 25 in my head. The outside covering, not so much.

119 darthstar  Mar 31, 2015 5:57:34am

re: #116 Justanotherhuman

I always tell my real age—74—and don’t give a flying fuck who knows it. : )

In spite of never achieving much (as “success” is defined in the modern world), I’ve had a great life and have loved and been loved by those who matter to me. I think that is as much as I want, as I’ve ever wanted.

You don’t look a day over 73.

120 darthstar  Mar 31, 2015 5:59:07am

I wondered how long it would take for the sharks to start circling…not long, apparently.

121 Dave In Austin  Mar 31, 2015 6:02:37am

re: #96 lawhawk

Didn’t know there were issues…. Thoughts to you and the Family.

122 Alyosha  Mar 31, 2015 6:02:52am

re: #116 Justanotherhuman

I always tell my real age—74—and don’t give a flying fuck who knows it. : )

In spite of never achieving much (as “success” is defined in the modern world), I’ve had a great life and have loved and been loved by those who matter to me. I think that is as much as I want, as I’ve ever wanted.

I’d like to think that the saying ‘you’re only as old as you feel’ is outdated. If your worldview at 74 is as progressive as someone half your age the disgustingly common platitude ‘age is just a number’ is in fact true. To me you’re an informed poster with ‘a munchkin’ ;)

123 Decatur Deb  Mar 31, 2015 6:02:52am

Comment from a Gawker article on Pence’s Peril:

Dear Hoosiers Who Do Not Make a Habit of Voting,

You created this mess as much as the hard core Republicans in the state. By not voting because you didn’t like your options (who does?) you created a political climate that panders to the few voters who are left, generally very old and bitter people who respond only to the rhetoric of pitchfork-wielding mobs.

And now what do we have? Our state comes off looking like a gaggle of willfully ignorant morons, an impression that is not entirely false, all thanks to you and your fervent belief that representative democracy is someone else’s job. Great job! Now, go fuck yourself.

124 The Week Of No Pie  Mar 31, 2015 6:04:05am
125 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 31, 2015 6:05:08am

re: #108 darthstar

“I think she can’t do the Heisman on the first four years of the Obama foreign policy,” Bush told conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt.

That’s Jeb, not George, confusing Heisman and Heimlich.
politico.com

That’s gold, Jerry, GOLD!!!

126 Dr. Matt  Mar 31, 2015 6:05:31am

re: #123 Decatur Deb

I completely agree. When Democratic voters stay home, because Obama didn’t buy them a pony, you get assholes like Pence, Rick Scott, Scott Walker, Rick Snyder, etc.

127 Dark_Falcon  Mar 31, 2015 6:05:35am

re: #115 Dr. Matt

Bank closes Brooksville pawn, gun shop owner’s account

Of course the story, originally linked from FB, tried to spin the story as some nefarious anti-gun move. But once you read 3/4 of the way down you see real reason:

I applaud Suntrust for cutting ties with such vultures.

It’s good they aren’t dealing with vultures, but Suntrust needs to better train its customer service people. The “gun letters” remark was the remark of an employee who had not been properly instructed as to what the situation was and how to respond to customer inquiries. And those remarks may yet cost Suntrust business because they’ll be bounced around the net as “proof of what Suntrust is really up to!”

The moral of the story: Failure to prepare is preparing to FAIL.

128 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 31, 2015 6:06:03am

re: #124 The Mother Of All Pies

Dearborn, Michigan has 4,000 African American residents, but arrested 4,500 African Americans last year

because they are all thugs and gangstas

/

129 darthstar  Mar 31, 2015 6:06:30am

No presser for reporters today as situation in Lausanne is fluid. That means they’ll have to make shit up.

Meanwhile, it looks like they’re going to keep at it a while longer.

130 Mattand  Mar 31, 2015 6:07:08am

Quick question about a recent comment on Mike Pence and Indiana bringing back Separate and Unequal.

I forget which Lizard brought this up, but it was a really great explanation of what a protected class of people is in the US. IIRC, a class deals with things like race, religion and sexuality. In the US, it is illegal to discriminate based on class.

For example, you cannot refuse someone service if they are gay, anymore than you can discriminate against someone who is straight (yes, I know that never happens). This includes using the “logic” of religion: “I can’t make those two gays a wedding cake, because the Bible says baby Jesus will set my dog on my fire if I do.”

Same goes with things like race. It’s just as illegal to discriminate against white people as it is blacks because race is a class; not just a specific skin color.

The difference between this IN law and the other 20 (including the Fed one here) is that the IN law makes no such provision for class. The other laws (which should never have been passed in the first place) prohibit things like Homophobic Wedding Service Vendor Syndrome.

The IN law is basically a giant loophole that allows out-and-out discrimination of technically anyone; but most likely the LGBT crowd, with the ability to hide behind your favorite book of Holy Fables.

Am I getting that right?

131 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2015 6:08:50am

French senate scraps law punishing prostitutes’ clients

news.yahoo.com

Scratch a French senator and you’ll probably find a john…

132 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 31, 2015 6:09:46am

re: #26 goddamnedfrank

Gay military complex?

She must mean the Gay Industrial Complex. The Gay Agenda. Because nobody else in America has an Agenda.

133 Dr. Matt  Mar 31, 2015 6:10:43am

re: #127 Dark_Falcon

It wouldn’t have mattered what the Suntrust employee said, the gun fucking ammosexuals already believe this is a plot to shut down gun stores.

134 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2015 6:11:58am

re: #130 Mattand

Jim Crow for everyone a business deems not worthy of their biblical stance, perhaps?

135 Alyosha  Mar 31, 2015 6:13:47am

re: #130 Mattand

Kragar imbedded a speculative tweet on how long it would take till someone invoked the curse of Ham (I know that the curse against people of darker skin is not supported by non-Mormon scripture) but, again, it all seems to depend on that nebulous Supreme Court ‘Hobby Lobby’ ruling.

Just WTF constitutes a ‘deeply held religious conviction’?

136 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 31, 2015 6:16:33am

re: #135 Alyosha

Kragar imbedded a speculative tweet on how long it would take till someone invoked the curse of Ham (I know that the curse against people of darker skin is not supported by non-Mormon scripture) but, again, it all seems to depend on that nebulous Supreme Court ‘Hobby Lobby’ ruling.

Just WTF constitutes a ‘deeply held religious conviction’?

It is the theological equivalent of a “deeply felt temper tantrum”.

137 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 31, 2015 6:17:23am

{Booming voice}: Aaantts iinnn spaacccee!

bbc.com

Common pavement ants on board the ISS explore new environments as usual, but it takes longer than on Earth.

138 Dr. Matt  Mar 31, 2015 6:19:42am

re: #135 Alyosha

Kragar imbedded a speculative tweet on how long it would take till someone invoked the curse of Ham (I know that the curse against people of darker skin is not supported by non-Mormon scripture) but, again, it all seems to depend on that nebulous Supreme Court ‘Hobby Lobby’ ruling.

Just WTF constitutes a ‘deeply held religious conviction’?

A hotel owner can now deny unmarried heterosexuals from staying at the hotel. The same hotel owner can deny a menstruating woman from staying at the hotel. The same hotel owner can also deny someone from staying at their hotel who is wearing blended clothing and people who have tattoos or people who shave their beards. Lovely.

139 Alyosha  Mar 31, 2015 6:20:41am

re: #137 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

For heaven’s sake, no ruffled chips!

140 Dark_Falcon  Mar 31, 2015 6:20:52am

re: #133 Dr. Matt

It wouldn’t have mattered what the Suntrust employee said, the gun fucking ammosexuals already believe this is a plot to shut down gun stores.

But that customer service rep brought the story back and gave it additional spark with his/her wrong words. Suntrust made the business decision last fall, and there was some YERPing about it then, which Suntrust worked to disprove. Now this one idiot has ruined much of the effort of many other people. And yes, the main intellectual fault is on the confirmation bias of many gun owners, but most people have confirmation biases and PR and customer service operations take this into account.

141 darthstar  Mar 31, 2015 6:21:11am
142 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 31, 2015 6:23:12am

re: #141 darthstar

Pledge to cancel Iran deal is litmus test for 2016 GOPers. But WaPo poll finds even R voters back deal

Because, thank God, people do not want the US wrapped up in another war in the Middle East.

143 Alyosha  Mar 31, 2015 6:23:38am

re: #138 Dr. Matt

A hotel owner can now deny unmarried heterosexuals from staying at the hotel. The same hotel owner can deny a menstruating woman from staying at the hotel. The same hotel owner can also deny someone from staying at their hotel who is wearing blended clothing and people who have tattoos or people who shave their beards. Lovely.

Not a native, but by my understanding, in Indiana, yes.

Another Kragar: who determines what exactly is a deeply-held religious belief?

144 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 31, 2015 6:26:40am

re: #143 Alyosha

Not a native, but by my understanding, in Indiana, yes.

Another Kragar: who determines what exactly is a deeply-held religious belief?

After I establish my online Indiana Religious Belief Verification Service, I will! I’ll charge steep fees, and rule in favor of the complainant every time.

//

145 Dr. Matt  Mar 31, 2015 6:26:55am

re: #140 Dark_Falcon

I’m calling bullshit on the “gun letters” comment. There is zero proof it was ever said. The pawn shop received a letter from the bank. The letter said nothing about guns. He’s another gun fucker who wants to be a “victim”. He and the rest of the gun fuckers want to make this about guns even though it is about predatory businesses.

146 Timothy Watson  Mar 31, 2015 6:26:59am

re: #139 Alyosha

For heaven’s sake, no ruffled chips!

They’ll clog the instruments!

147 Alyosha  Mar 31, 2015 6:30:13am

re: #146 Timothy Watson

‘Our people are now wearing your denim jeans and listening to your… we surrender, okay, and the fucking Simpsons did us in!’ ;)

148 Nyet  Mar 31, 2015 6:30:37am

re: #143 Alyosha

I say, anybody asserting deeply held beliefs in this context should undergo a full body cavity search. Just to make sure those beliefs are really deep, you know.

149 Dr. Matt  Mar 31, 2015 6:31:33am

Watch the video…..

150 Alyosha  Mar 31, 2015 6:35:37am

re: #148 Nyet

I say, anybody asserting deeply held beliefs in this context should undergo a full body cavity search. Just to make sure those beliefs are really deep, you know.

Haha, and yet the irony of that statement is lost on those who advocate and legislate transvaginal ultrasounds.
A ‘thorough pocket search’ might ‘cleanse’ them of their ‘concerns’.

151 FemNaziBitch  Mar 31, 2015 6:39:31am

It’s morning.

A local construction crew is working on the Condo Units with hammers. They are playing some really awesome Mexican music.

VERY . LOUDLY

I don’t do happy “lets get moving” beats in the morning.

you?

152 Nyet  Mar 31, 2015 6:39:58am

re: #141 darthstar

Dems must use any opportunity to emphasize: if a Rethug comes to power, it means war, war, war.

153 FemNaziBitch  Mar 31, 2015 6:40:06am

re: #149 Dr. Matt

Watch the video…..

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There is a reason I left Indiana.

154 FemNaziBitch  Mar 31, 2015 6:41:44am

re: #143 Alyosha

Another Kragar: who determines what exactly is a deeply-held religious belief?

As long as it’s not the Federal Obama Kenyan Communist Black Gubernet, the Whackos seem to be OK with the idea of anyone with money or a bible doing so.

155 FemNaziBitch  Mar 31, 2015 6:42:50am

re: #134 Justanotherhuman

Jim Crow for everyone a business deems not worthy of their biblical stance, perhaps?

Jim & Jane, please don’t forget the ladies.

156 FemNaziBitch  Mar 31, 2015 6:44:38am

re: #124 The Mother Of All Pies

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high Muslim population too, IIRC.

157 Alyosha  Mar 31, 2015 6:51:52am

re: #152 Nyet

Dems must use any opportunity to emphasize: if a Rethug comes to power, it means war, war, war.

‘Hear, hear,’ as our bewigged fools are fond of saying.
I’m off to bed; it’s been fun, shit continues to go down and it is up to the responsible to take joy in ensuring it’s cleaned up. Be joyful, I guess :)

158 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 31, 2015 6:54:01am

re: #143 Alyosha

Not a native, but by my understanding, in Indiana, yes.

Another Kragar: who determines what exactly is a deeply-held religious belief?

And the third question is “Why is a religious belief more privileged than a non-religious one?”

159 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2015 6:54:20am

Funny, I just lost LGF but nothing else online.

Meanwhile, is GG going to represent these guys? Heh.

Journalists sue Ferguson police for alleged battery, false arrest

politico.com

160 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 31, 2015 6:56:16am

re: #151 FemNaziBitch

It’s morning.

A local construction crew is working on the Condo Units with hammers. They are playing some really awesome Mexican music.

VERY . LOUDLY

I don’t do happy “lets get moving” beats in the morning.

you?

Slow start this morning. Late to work. Construction site across from me not that noisy today. Feline Overlords *very* patient about receiving a late breakfast and Tuxedo Cat did not trash the surface of the dresser trying to get me up.

Otherwise just another day in the work week so far. But it’s a short week due to company holiday on Friday and a day off on Thursday.

161 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2015 6:56:38am

re: #155 FemNaziBitch

Jim & Jane, please don’t forget the ladies.

OK, but I’m no lady. : ) It was sexistly generic. My bad.

162 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2015 6:58:22am

Editor’s note: Nigerian opposition party, All Progressives Congress, has declared victory in the country’s closely-watched presidential election. Official vote tallies haven’t yet been released, but the party’s candidate, Muhammadu Buhari, has been leading in exit polls. Nigeria’s electoral commission has been concerned about allegations about voting irregularities. We’ll keep watch for official results and statements from President Goodluck Jonathan. - Rebecca
end of note

163 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2015 7:00:57am

Indiana Gov. Mike Pence to hold press conference at 11 am ET today to discuss Religious Freedom law
end of alert

Repealing that POS is the only discussion I want to hear.

164 ObserverArt  Mar 31, 2015 7:01:10am

re: #45 Justanotherhuman

The Republican strategist behind the smear campaign of MO state auditor Tom Schweick, found dead of suicide last month, is still flourishing by moving from MO to TX as the chief political strategist for Ted Cruz. And Sunday the media director for Schweick was also found a suicide. And Missouri Republican Party Chairman John Hancock, who evidently started the whisper campaign, refuses to step down.

Rachel Maddow had a great story on it last night: msnbc.com

The Republican Party has become so unethical, so corrupt and venal, it’s a wonder it can run any campaign these days, but that appears where they’re most successful, first against Democrats and now within their own party.

Mostly they’re doing so by spreading fear, lies, and insinuations, but they also have power and money. What are they really doing to this country? That’s what I fear most—and some people are merely lapping it up without paying any attention to what they’re being fed.

This, and laws like the “religious freedom” law in Indiana should be waking up more people than those already against it. There’s a lot of work ahead. Is the country really prepared for this kind of fight? Can we isolate that kind of thinking and change it?

That bit Maddow did on the piece of GOP human waste, Hancock, was very thorough. The fact that he is now associated with Ted Cruz’s campaign says a lot about Cruz.

Ted Cruz is signaling he will do whatever it will take to get elected. He will prove to be one the slimiest candidates for president we may ever see.

It’s sad we don’t have proper journalists to bust him down to size. He’ll be on all kinds of media and people will hold their nose, interview him like he is legit, let him spew his less than truthful BS and we will all be the worse for it.

And who knows what kind of sleaze Hancock and other grease balls like him will be doing down in the mud hole and out of sight.

Yuk.

165 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2015 7:01:34am

BBL. Inspection, registration car stuff.

166 Nyet  Mar 31, 2015 7:01:55am

re: #158 Feline Fearless Leader

And the third question is “Why is a religious belief more privileged than a non-religious one?”

It’s the main question.

167 FemNaziBitch  Mar 31, 2015 7:01:58am

bbl

168 Nyet  Mar 31, 2015 7:02:35am

re: #163 Justanotherhuman

Indiana Gov. Mike Pence to hold press conference at 11 am ET today to discuss Religious Freedom law
end of alert

Repealing that POS is the only discussion I want to hear.

Me too. But if they want to save their faces by castrating this POS through a legal “clarification”, let them.

169 Dark_Falcon  Mar 31, 2015 7:02:40am

re: #162 Justanotherhuman

Editor’s note: Nigerian opposition party, All Progressives Congress, has declared victory in the country’s closely-watched presidential election. Official vote tallies haven’t yet been released, but the party’s candidate, Muhammadu Buhari, has been leading in exit polls. Nigeria’s electoral commission has been concerned about allegations about voting irregularities. We’ll keep watch for official results and statements from President Goodluck Jonathan. - Rebecca
end of note

I hope the Muslim beats the Christian, because the Muslim in this case is relatively honest while the Christian is corrupt, and because Buhari is competent while Jonathan is not.

But most of all i want the Muslim to win because I just hate America THAT much!

/kidding about that last part.

170 Nyet  Mar 31, 2015 7:03:47am

Not sure why the downding, DF. The GOP wants war.

171 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 31, 2015 7:05:55am

re: #163 Justanotherhuman

Indiana Gov. Mike Pence to hold press conference at 11 am ET today to discuss Religious Freedom law
end of alert

Repealing that POS is the only discussion I want to hear.

Little chance of that happening in my opinion. Can’t show weakness to the whiny liberals and their ghey pay lords!
// :p

172 Lidane  Mar 31, 2015 7:06:25am

Libertarian wannabes are hilarious.

“USING GUBMINT TO FORCE SOCIAL CHANGE IZ TYRANEE!”

“BIDNESS SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO WHAT IT WANTS WITHOUT COERCION! FREE MARKET!”

That’s adorable. Now put down the Ayn Rand books and go play outside in the real world.

173 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 31, 2015 7:06:57am

re: #166 Nyet

It’s the main question.

But the one that no one is actually discussing.

174 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 7:08:26am

I briefly described Kentucky’s RFRA downstairs and the issues our governor had about when he vetoed it.

Today’s Lexington Herald-Leader has an editorial about those concerns:

Backlash against bigotry could slap Kentucky

175 Nyet  Mar 31, 2015 7:10:02am

re: #173 Feline Fearless Leader

But the one that no one is actually discussing.

It’s always like this.

- I don’t want my tax dollars to be used to murder babies!

- Well, I don’t want my tax dollar to be used for unnecessary wars.

- Shuddup, you libtard traitor!

176 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 31, 2015 7:12:18am

re: #173 Feline Fearless Leader

But the one that no one is actually discussing.

Because the religious right has established the scope of the discussion. Their default assumption is everyone has (or needs to have) a religious belief, and the concept that some don’t never seems to enter their minds. They make such a big stink about every single law that might possibly “infringe” on their beliefs that lawmakers now have to tiptoe around religion (esp. Christianity) like someone walking around lava flows near a volcano.

In other words, they act as if America has an established State religion when in fact it doesn’t.

177 Nyet  Mar 31, 2015 7:14:16am

I always wonder when someone complains about how uniquely absurd the scientological myths are: have they never, ever read any of the sacred books of the major religions?

178 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 31, 2015 7:14:32am

re: #176 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Because the religious right has established the scope of the discussion. Their default assumption is everyone has (or needs to have) a religious belief, and the concept that some don’t never seems to enter their minds. They make such a big stink about every single law that might possibly “infringe” on their beliefs that lawmakers now have to tiptoe around religion (esp. Christianity) like someone walking around lava flows near a volcano.

In other words, they act as if America has an established State religion when in fact it doesn’t.

Though religion and religious institutes have essentially gotten special consideration throughout the history of the United States.

179 The Week Of No Pie  Mar 31, 2015 7:17:47am

re: #156 FemNaziBitch

high Muslim population too, IIRC.

Largest Muslim population in the U.S. but no Shariah law. YOU CAN’T EXPLAIN THAT.

180 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 31, 2015 7:19:34am

re: #178 Feline Fearless Leader

Though religion and religious institutes have essentially gotten special consideration throughout the history of the United States.

Yes, quite so. Letting Catholic kids ride to school on big yellows was but one concession early on, as is the exemption from taxation.

But the RR now assume theirs is the only religion government needs to coddle. All others need not apply. They’re the squeaky wheel that gets the grease, because they’ve mastered the art of claiming “persecution.”

181 ObserverArt  Mar 31, 2015 7:19:47am

re: #170 Nyet

Not sure why the downding, DF. The GOP wants war.

I have a feeling you will get no clear response. Dark seems to not want to discuss much about the GOP realities. I guess it is his way of dealing with all the crap they spew.

182 #FergusonFireside  Mar 31, 2015 7:19:47am

Is Pence going to take questions today? Otherwise I can’t imagine what he will say without lying flat out.

183 The Week Of No Pie  Mar 31, 2015 7:21:42am

Finally the sun came out, it’s nice outside and I did some walking and visited some tourist attractions. Shopping awaits.

Also, Jews are a minority of the tourists visiting these attractions.

KLM has still not delivered our misplaced bag.

184 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 31, 2015 7:21:57am

re: #182 #FergusonFireside

I have a question for any Hoosiers in the audience. Why did y’all wait until after Pence signed the bill to make such a big stink about it? Was there any pushback before the bill landed on his desk?

185 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 31, 2015 7:23:07am

re: #183 The Mother Of All Pies

Finally the sun came out, it’s nice outside and I did some walking and visited some tourist attractions. Shopping awaits.

Also, Jews are a minority of the tourists visiting these attractions.

KLM has still not delivered our misplaced bag.

It’s in a cafe, having some coffee and krullers, probably.

186 Dark_Falcon  Mar 31, 2015 7:25:59am

re: #185 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It’s in a cafe, having some coffee and krullers, probably.

KLM’s Dutch, so the bag probably got high in Amsterdam and missed its flight.

187 Nyet  Mar 31, 2015 7:27:17am

re: #181 ObserverArt

I have a feeling you will get no clear response.

Yes, and that’s a less than commendable behavior.

188 Dark_Falcon  Mar 31, 2015 7:29:18am

re: #187 Nyet

Yes, and that’s a less than commendable behavior.

Here’s my reason: Calling Republicans ‘Rethuglicans’ or ‘Rethugs’ generally merits a downding from me.

189 piratedan  Mar 31, 2015 7:29:45am

re: #185 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I imagine it will show up 20 minutes after they leave for the airport…..

190 ObserverArt  Mar 31, 2015 7:31:49am

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

Here’s my reason: Calling Republicans ‘Rethuglicans’ or ‘Rethugs’ generally merits a downding from me.

Instead of the downding, why don’t you explain why the names are not warranted.

Maybe you should ‘downding’ some of the Republicans that are war mongering.

191 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 31, 2015 7:31:50am

re: #138 Dr. Matt

A hotel owner can now deny unmarried heterosexuals from staying at the hotel. The same hotel owner can deny a menstruating woman from staying at the hotel. The same hotel owner can also deny someone from staying at their hotel who is wearing blended clothing and people who have tattoos or people who shave their beards. Lovely.

As an ordained minister in the Universal Light Church, I am moving to Indiana. For a small donation I will provide references to scripture that will justify refusing to do business with anyone whom you don’t like. I’ll have my Maserati withing six months.

192 Nyet  Mar 31, 2015 7:32:16am

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

Here’s my reason: Calling Republicans ‘Rethuglicans’ or ‘Rethugs’ generally merits a downding from me.

The labels fits.

193 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 31, 2015 7:35:33am

re: #191 Higgs Boson’s Mate

As an ordained minister in the Universal Light Church, I am moving to Indiana. For a small donation I will provide references to scripture that will justify refusing to do business with anyone whom you don’t like. I’ll have my Maserati withing six months.

Competition! I’d better get a move on. I need to bolster my retirement fund.
/

194 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 7:35:52am

re: #189 piratedan

I imagine it will show up 20 minutes after they leave for the airport…..

It’s probably already in Tel Aviv.

195 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 31, 2015 7:38:03am

re: #194 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s probably already in Tel Aviv.

… at a cafe, having coffee and krullers.

VB! Zedushka! What took you so long? Pull up a chair and join me!

196 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 31, 2015 7:44:42am

This evening, I joined some of my colleagues for dinner. We were celebrating the assistant dean’s six-month study trip to the University of Aberdeen. She leaves at the end of the April, and her 10-year-old son will join her for summer vacation. But her husband, who served in the PLA as an officer, cannot join them — PLA regulations restrict international travel, even for former military.

Before he left the service, he was posted in Tibet and rarely could come home. Now, the shoe’s on the other foot.

197 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 7:51:32am
198 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Mar 31, 2015 7:53:01am

re: #197 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’ll leave a mark.

199 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 31, 2015 7:53:46am

re: #198 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

That’ll leave a mark.

Forcing Hoosiers to choose between bigotry and basketball? Yep…

200 Dave In Austin  Mar 31, 2015 7:57:48am

re: #197 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That’s gonna sting…..

201 ObserverArt  Mar 31, 2015 8:02:42am

Later all. I’m gonna keep logged in to catch the comments on Spence presser while getting some work done.

I bet he doubles down on the double down.

202 Lidane  Mar 31, 2015 8:02:58am
203 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 8:06:55am

Here we go….

204 Mattand  Mar 31, 2015 8:08:21am

re: #202 Lidane

Arkansas pushes ahead with controversial religion bill similar to Indiana’s

Fuck this country’s addiction to religion.

205 stpaulbear  Mar 31, 2015 8:08:55am

The NYT has an editorial by David Brooks saying that the LGBT community and their supporters should just politely accomodate discrimination allowed by Indiana’s new law. Just be nice. You super-privileged dink.

He’s getting ripped to teeny little shreds in the ‘reader’s choice’ comments. The comments are the only reason to click on Brooks’ stinking turd of an argument.

206 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 8:09:01am

Pence is STILL insisting that the law is the same as the Federal one and the other 30 states.

207 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 8:09:53am

“this law does not give anyone the right to discriminate” — Pence

idiot.

208 #FergusonFireside  Mar 31, 2015 8:10:09am

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

Pence is STILL insisting that the law is the same as the Federal one and the other 30 states.

Liar

209 makeitstop  Mar 31, 2015 8:10:14am

re: #141 darthstar

Pledge to cancel Iran deal is litmus test for 2016 GOPers. But WaPo poll finds even R voters back deal:

Fox News better turn their shit up, then.

//

210 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 8:10:31am

again with the “misconception” everyone else has.

jeebus.

211 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 8:10:59am

Pence sure is taking a lot of deep breaths through his nose.

212 Jenner7  Mar 31, 2015 8:11:25am

He’s a loud breather…..

213 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 8:11:29am

“we have a perception problem here because people have a different view”

ya think so????

214 jaunte  Mar 31, 2015 8:11:31am

re: #205 stpaulbear

Brooks:

“…In the Jewish community, conservative Jews are generally polite toward Orthodox Jews who wouldn’t use their cutlery. Men are generally polite to Orthodox women who would prefer not to shake their hands. In the larger community, this respectful politeness works best.”

Spurious equivalence.

215 stpaulbear  Mar 31, 2015 8:11:47am

re: #202 Lidane

Even the Walton family is against that bill becoming law. What if they decide to take their money out of Arkansas? (daydream, I know)

216 b.d.  Mar 31, 2015 8:12:31am

Because nothing says that he cares about all people in Indiana more than by going on FoxNews to state his case.

217 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 8:12:35am

“I want to see legislation on my desk before the end of the week” to clarify this doesn’t allow discrimination.

218 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 8:13:40am

“the things that have been said about our state have been deeply offensive to me” — Pence

STFU

219 Jenner7  Mar 31, 2015 8:13:50am

“Everyone is just confused. The end.”

Um, no.

220 Lidane  Mar 31, 2015 8:14:14am

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

Here we go….

Is Pence tap dancing yet?

221 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 8:15:05am

“it mirrors the federal law”

No asswipe, it DOES NOT.

222 blueraven  Mar 31, 2015 8:15:39am

The anti-gay folks are not going to like Pence’s mealy-mouth back tracking.

223 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 31, 2015 8:15:54am

re: #217 Backwoods_Sleuth

“I want to see legislation on my desk before the end of the week” to clarify this doesn’t allow discrimination.

Delaying tactic hoping that this drops off the radar. He is not going to get that from the legislature and if he has any brains he knows this.

Though he is also watching his political career go down the toilet since more and more businesses and events are starting to pile on towards taking their money elsewhere. Someone’s political calculus was way off.

224 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 8:16:07am

“I was pleased to sign it and I stand by the law” —Pence

Then what is this “fix” you speak up?

gaaaaaaaaaaa

225 Jenner7  Mar 31, 2015 8:17:19am

His breathing is distracting…not that breathing is bad, lol, but ya get my meaning..

226 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 8:17:34am

He still insists it’s the same as the federal law.

OOOOOH!!!!
He just mentioned the Hobby Lobby case as a justification.

227 jaunte  Mar 31, 2015 8:17:43am
228 blueraven  Mar 31, 2015 8:18:00am

Hobby Lobby case proves this was good legislation!!

Gah!

229 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 8:18:52am

LOL, He mentions the great amount of support he’s getting in the media.

omg!

230 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 8:19:15am

the bill is being smeared. SMEARED!!!!

231 Lidane  Mar 31, 2015 8:19:45am

re: #229 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL, He mentions the great amount of support he’s getting in the media.

omg!

If you live in the RWNJ echo chamber maybe. That giant FIX THIS NOW headline in the Indianapolis Star says otherwise.

232 jaunte  Mar 31, 2015 8:20:27am
233 jaunte  Mar 31, 2015 8:21:31am
234 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 8:22:10am

Clinton signed the SAME BILL!!!

Then Sen. Barack Obama voted for the SAME BILL!!!

Pence is an idiot.

235 stpaulbear  Mar 31, 2015 8:23:23am

re: #217 Backwoods_Sleuth

“I want to see legislation on my desk before the end of the week” to clarify this doesn’t allow discrimination.

Hey, that line always works when Obama says it.
///

236 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 8:24:00am

“this law doesn’t give a license to discriminate” —Pence

Guess if he says it over and over and over, that makes it true.

Perhaps he should click his ruby slippers at the same time…

237 RealityBasedSteve  Mar 31, 2015 8:24:22am

re: #234 Backwoods_Sleuth

Clinton signed the SAME BILL!!!

Then Sen. Barack Obama voted for the SAME BILL!!!

Pence is an idiot.

A bill with the same name isn’t the same bill. There are many people with the same name as I, but there is only one me.

RBS

238 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 8:24:50am

He keeps saying “perception” and I don’t think he understands what the word mean.

239 Dave In Austin  Mar 31, 2015 8:25:16am
240 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 31, 2015 8:25:22am

re: #234 Backwoods_Sleuth

Clinton signed the SAME BILL!!!

Then Sen. Barack Obama voted for the SAME BILL!!!

Pence is an idiot.

Obama worse than Bush!!!!1

241 Lidane  Mar 31, 2015 8:25:35am
242 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 31, 2015 8:26:28am

re: #237 RealityBasedSteve

A bill with the same name isn’t the same bill.

Pence: Uh….whut?

/

243 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 8:26:33am

“The state has a good name. This law has been smeared.”

Get a new mantra, Pence.

244 jaunte  Mar 31, 2015 8:26:45am
245 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 31, 2015 8:27:43am

re: #222 blueraven

The anti-gay folks are not going to like Pence’s mealy-mouth back tracking.

This may not end well…..

/

246 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 8:27:58am

“Coverage has gotten better and more fair. Earlier there was reckless reporting.”

LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!

247 #FergusonFireside  Mar 31, 2015 8:28:17am
248 jaunte  Mar 31, 2015 8:28:31am
249 Lidane  Mar 31, 2015 8:28:56am

YES. THIS.

250 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 8:29:12am

“Indiana press has been accurate. National media has been ridiculous.” — Pence

I need a drink…

251 GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 31, 2015 8:29:43am

Twitter idiocysphere. “Then Muslim butchers should be forced to sell ham!!!!!”

Uh. What about Jewish butchers?

252 stpaulbear  Mar 31, 2015 8:29:47am
Governor, Indiana is in a state of crisis. It is worse than you seem to understand.

The Indy Star sure got that one right in their front page editorial.

253 jaunte  Mar 31, 2015 8:29:48am

re: #250 Backwoods_Sleuth

Indiana press: FIX THIS NOW

254 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 8:30:09am

“I think the more relevant case was the Hobby Lobby case”.

OBAMACARE!!! MANDATES!!!

255 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 8:31:07am

Again, he’s comparing Indiana’s bill to Clinton’s.

gack

256 Romantic Heretic  Mar 31, 2015 8:31:41am

re: #134 Justanotherhuman

Jim Crow for everyone a business deems not worthy of their biblical stance, perhaps?

It must be because I am tired but my first thought on reading this was, “Is a biblical stance anything like a wide stance?”

257 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 8:32:31am
258 jaunte  Mar 31, 2015 8:33:11am
259 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 8:33:25am
260 Lidane  Mar 31, 2015 8:33:30am

re: #251 GlutenFreeJesus

Twitter idiocysphere. “Then Muslim butchers should be forced to sell ham!!!!!”

Uh. What about Jewish butchers?

JEWISH BUTCHERS MUST SERVE ME A HAM ON RYE ON THE SABBATH!

/////////////

261 blueraven  Mar 31, 2015 8:33:48am

Citing Hobby Lobby repeatedly…Pence forgets to mention ruling was for Closely Held Corporations, whatever the hell that means. I knew this would be used to protect bigots.

262 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 31, 2015 8:33:59am

re: #260 Lidane

JEWISH BUTCHERS MUST SERVE ME A HAM ON RYE ON THE SABBATH!

/////////////

with cheese.

263 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 8:34:01am
264 Varek Raith  Mar 31, 2015 8:34:16am

My religion demands I be pantless in public!

265 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 8:34:16am

re: #262 Feline Fearless Leader

with cheese.

and a glass of milk

266 Lidane  Mar 31, 2015 8:34:49am
267 GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 31, 2015 8:36:18am

re: #262 Feline Fearless Leader

Lobster mac n cheese!

268 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 31, 2015 8:36:56am

re: #261 blueraven

Citing Hobby Lobby repeatedly…Pence forgets to mention ruling was for Closely Held Corporations, whatever the hell that means. I knew this would be used to protect bigots.

Given that he says his law is the same as one that it is not the same as why do you think he’d have any understanding of what the Hobby Lobby ruling actually said?

He was told how to interpret the ruling. Probably just like he has never read his favorite holy book and just accepts the interpretations he has been told to accept.
//

269 jaunte  Mar 31, 2015 8:37:28am

He’s still trying to save it.

270 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 31, 2015 8:37:46am

re: #261 blueraven

Citing Hobby Lobby repeatedly…Pence forgets to mention ruling was for Closely Held Corporations, whatever the hell that means. I knew this would be used to protect bigots.

Its all about the slut pills!!!111

271 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 8:37:59am

“I started off as a Democrat in high school”

Martin Luther King is his hero!!!!

well alrighty then…

272 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2015 8:38:00am

re: #252 stpaulbear

The Indy Star sure got that one right in their front page editorial.

Hell, it’s not like Democrats haven’t warned those yahoos pre-election about who they were voting for.

If anyone in the R party has any further doubts about the nature of the R agenda, they’ve been living in a cave on an isolated island..

273 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 31, 2015 8:38:51am

re: #271 Backwoods_Sleuth

“I started off as a Democrat in high school”

Martin Luther King is his hero!!!!

well alrighty then…

This is going downhill rapidly….

274 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 8:38:59am

“I walked with John Lewis across the bridge on the 45th anniversary!!!!”

275 Lidane  Mar 31, 2015 8:39:27am
276 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2015 8:39:48am

re: #271 Backwoods_Sleuth

“I started off as a Democrat in high school”

Martin Luther King is his hero!!!!

well alrighty then…

No, he was always a reactionary, just with a D tag back then and trying to cover it up.

277 Higgs Boson's Mate  Mar 31, 2015 8:39:52am

re: #274 Backwoods_Sleuth

“I walked with John Lewis across the bridge on the 45th anniversary!!!!”

“I’m Spartacus!”

278 Dave In Austin  Mar 31, 2015 8:40:05am
279 Lidane  Mar 31, 2015 8:41:00am

re: #250 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Indiana press has been accurate. National media has been ridiculous.” — Pence

I need a drink…

280 jaunte  Mar 31, 2015 8:41:41am
281 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2015 8:42:13am

re: #279 Lidane

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The IS was half-right

Repeal the damn thing.

282 The Week Of No Pie  Mar 31, 2015 8:42:45am

re: #214 jaunte

Brooks:

Spurious equivalence.

Brooks:

“…In the Jewish community, conservative Jews are generally polite toward Orthodox Jews who wouldn’t use their cutlery. Men are generally polite to Orthodox women who would prefer not to shake their hands. In the larger community, this respectful politeness works best.”

What a patronizing asshole.

The issue is equal accommodation under the law. People’s individual little idiosyncratic observances are irrelevant.

Let’s say I own a kosher pie bakery. That means I sell kosher pies to anyone who wants to buy one, whether they are Jews, Muslims, Christians, gay, straight, vegetarians, Pastafarians or Methodists.

If someone wants a bacon pie I will politely direct them to the bacon pie store down the block.

Why do these people not get that it has nothing to do with THE PRODUCTS BEING SOLD it’s selling product to some customers but not others.

283 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 31, 2015 8:42:59am

re: #279 Lidane

“By ‘Indiana Press’ I mean local AM radio.”

//

284 Varek Raith  Mar 31, 2015 8:43:45am

re: #282 The Mother Of All Pies

What a patronizing asshole.

The issue is equal accommodation under the law. People’s individual little idiosyncratic observances are irrelevant.

Let’s say I own a kosher pie bakery. That means I sell kosher pies to anyone who wants to buy one, whether they are Jews, Muslims, Christians, gay, straight, vegetarians, Pastafarians or Methodists.

If someone wants a bacon pie I will politely direct them to the bacon pie store down the block.

Why do these people not get that it has nothing to do with THE PRODUCTS BEING SOLD it’s selling product to some customers but not others.

Wait.
There’s a bacon pie store?
WHERE

285 blueraven  Mar 31, 2015 8:44:11am

Takeaway: Pence is dumber than a fucking rock.

286 Varek Raith  Mar 31, 2015 8:44:18am

Hmm…
Block quotes aren’t working for me.

287 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 31, 2015 8:44:29am

re: #284 Varek Raith

What a patronizing asshole.

The issue is equal accommodation under the law. People’s individual little idiosyncratic observances are irrelevant.

Let’s say I own a kosher pie bakery. That means I sell kosher pies to anyone who wants to buy one, whether they are Jews, Muslims, Christians, gay, straight, vegetarians, Pastafarians or Methodists.

If someone wants a bacon pie I will politely direct them to the bacon pie store down the block.

Why do these people not get that it has nothing to do with THE PRODUCTS BEING SOLD it’s selling product to some customers but not others.

Wait.
There’s a bacon pie store?
WHERE

They hide the bacon under an egg custard and call it “quiche”.
;P

288 jaunte  Mar 31, 2015 8:44:41am

re: #282 The Mother Of All Pies

I just saw some idiot on Twitter arguing that since a bakery didn’t sell ‘gay wedding cakes’ to any customers, it was ok not to sell gay wedding cakes to gay customers.

289 Varek Raith  Mar 31, 2015 8:45:24am

What’s a ‘gay wedding cake’?
/

290 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 31, 2015 8:45:28am

re: #285 blueraven

Takeaway: Pence is dumber than a fucking rock.

GOP wagons not circling fast enough for him. And the media is unwilling to proclaim this Obama’s fault. Yet.
/

291 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 31, 2015 8:45:53am

re: #289 Varek Raith

What’s a ‘gay wedding cake’?
/

I guess one with fabulous frosting on it.
:p

292 Varek Raith  Mar 31, 2015 8:45:55am

No straight wedding cakes for you!

293 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2015 8:46:51am
294 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 31, 2015 8:46:52am

re: #229 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL, He mentions the great amount of support he’s getting in the media.

omg!

All is Well! All is Welllllll!!!!1111

295 Varek Raith  Mar 31, 2015 8:47:01am

Gay wedding cakes.
IT’S JUST A FUCKING CAKE!
FFS, this is stupid.

296 Targetpractice  Mar 31, 2015 8:47:26am

re: #282 The Mother Of All Pies

What a patronizing asshole.

The issue is equal accommodation under the law. People’s individual little idiosyncratic observances are irrelevant.

Let’s say I own a kosher pie bakery. That means I sell kosher pies to anyone who wants to buy one, whether they are Jews, Muslims, Christians, gay, straight, vegetarians, Pastafarians or Methodists.

If someone wants a bacon pie I will politely direct them to the bacon pie store down the block.

Why do these people not get that it has nothing to do with THE PRODUCTS BEING SOLD it’s selling product to some customers but not others.

Because if they phrase it as it would actually happen, such as a Jewish deli owner saying “No goyim allowed,” they’d have to admit it’s little more than Jim Crow for gay people.

297 Lidane  Mar 31, 2015 8:48:33am

re: #282 The Mother Of All Pies

Why do these people not get that it has nothing to do with THE PRODUCTS BEING SOLD it’s selling product to some customers but not others.

Because they’re stupid.

I had some RWNJ dipshit ask me yesterday if I’d be fine with someone demanding that a Jewish baker make a cake for them on the Sabbath. I had to point out that if that baker is observant enough to keep the Sabbath, all of their customers would know, since the bakery would always close early on Friday and be closed all day Saturday. There’d be no way to demand anything from that baker on the Sabbath since they wouldn’t be working in the first place.

It’s maddening. They don’t understand anything beyond the talking points they swallow wholesale.

298 jaunte  Mar 31, 2015 8:48:57am
299 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 8:49:35am

Hostage situation in Pennsylvania:

300 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 31, 2015 8:50:27am

re: #298 jaunte

I’m sure if the cowboy did a Google search trying to find out that information he’d find absolutely no information in that regard.

And why should a reporter need to tell Pence there are differences? Not as if he is not aware that there are.

301 Kilroy01  Mar 31, 2015 8:50:49am

re: #294 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

All is Well! All is Welllllll!!!!1111

Speaking of Bacon…
…

302 The Week Of No Pie  Mar 31, 2015 8:50:59am

re: #251 GlutenFreeJesus

Twitter idiocysphere. “Then Muslim butchers should be forced to sell ham!!!!!”

Uh. What about Jewish butchers?

Well if a ham sandwich comes into a Muslim shop and wants to buy a halal sandwich….

303 Targetpractice  Mar 31, 2015 8:52:13am

That they’re trying to drag other creeds and races into this whole mess is a pretty big tell that they know there’s no way to sell this other than naked bigotry. There’s no national cases about Jewish delis being forced to serve bacon, or black bakers being forced to make orders for the KKK, or any other such nonsense. This entire law sprung from evangelist anger over gay marriage and it has always been about allowing them to practice their bigotry publicly without consequence.

304 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2015 8:52:34am

re: #300 Feline Fearless Leader

Reporters should know, and they should stick him with the question.

Over and over.

305 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2015 8:53:36am

Bwahahahaha! Talk about total idiocy.

Indiana Gov. Pence on ABC interview: ‘I could have handled that better this weekend’ - @ZekeJMiller
see original on twitter.com

306 The Week Of No Pie  Mar 31, 2015 8:54:03am

re: #284 Varek Raith

Wait.
There’s a bacon pie store?
WHERE

Down the block from Babushka’s Pie Store in Imaginationland.

307 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 8:54:55am
308 Varek Raith  Mar 31, 2015 8:55:20am

re: #306 The Mother Of All Pies

Down the block from Babushka’s Pie Store in Imaginationland.

PIE!

309 Lidane  Mar 31, 2015 8:57:13am
310 The Week Of No Pie  Mar 31, 2015 9:00:03am

This fucking tool==>

311 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2015 9:01:22am

If someone is selling products, who the hell should they care who buys them? If I give a homeless person $5, I don’t really give a damn what s/he spends it on, or if I did, I wouldn’t (and shouldn’t) give it.

Until merchants and service providers woke up and recognized that the money of minorities was green like white people’s, racism continued in accommodation. But it took Federal legislation to take that kind of segregation apart first because left to the States, we would still be waiting. And the root bigotry still remains, as we’ve seen and has been uncovered lately.

Which should tell people what they need to know about laws like Indiana’s “religious freedom” bullshit.

312 jaunte  Mar 31, 2015 9:01:29am

re: #310 The Mother Of All Pies

“It’s none of your business what happens in the bedroom. Except when we force you to provide for all of our demands.” — The Left

He’s damaging his brain.

313 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 31, 2015 9:01:43am

re: #310 The Mother Of All Pies

This fucking tool==>

All of our demands—like equal accommodation and protection under the law.

/

314 Targetpractice  Mar 31, 2015 9:02:45am

If the argument is that this law is no different than that signed by the President and other states, then Pence needs to follow their example by agreeing to sign a law that prohibits discrimination against the LGBT population of Indiana. But since that would defeat the purpose of this law in the eyes of its sponsors, namely to legalize discrimination against that same population, it’ll never happen.

315 Lidane  Mar 31, 2015 9:03:41am

Mental health break:

316 GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 31, 2015 9:04:33am

Supporters of this bill sure wouldn’t appreciate it if a business denied them service simply for having voted for Pence. The business could just say “You’re Christian. Just not the right kind of Christian.”

317 nearly-headless smith25  Mar 31, 2015 9:08:45am
318 Mattand  Mar 31, 2015 9:09:47am

re: #310 The Mother Of All Pies

What does that even mean?

I mean, seriously. That sentence is utterly devoid of a rational point.

319 withak  Mar 31, 2015 9:11:59am

re: #318 Mattand

What does that even mean?

I mean, seriously. That sentence is utterly devoid of a rational point.

Interfering in people’s private lives is 100% okay because welfare.

320 Targetpractice  Mar 31, 2015 9:14:13am

Someone on another board just pointed out to me that Pence is talking out of both sides of his mouth. He asserts the law does not allow businesses to discriminate…and that he will sign a law “clarifying” that businesses cannot discriminate.

321 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 31, 2015 9:14:55am

re: #258 jaunte

Mike Pence: “My law does not allow businesses to discriminate. It simply does not call for any punishment for those who do…”

322 Ace-o-aces  Mar 31, 2015 9:14:59am
323 nearly-headless smith25  Mar 31, 2015 9:16:13am

So my day on Spring Break is sitting by the pool watching my kids, following the Twitters of Pence, and seeing news in my town about what news is important today

324 Lidane  Mar 31, 2015 9:16:31am

*facepalm*

325 Ace-o-aces  Mar 31, 2015 9:16:43am

Who will defend us from gay ISIS!!!!!

326 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 31, 2015 9:18:00am

re: #282 The Mother Of All Pies


What a patronizing asshole.

The issue is equal accommodation under the law. People’s individual little idiosyncratic observances are irrelevant.

Let’s say I own a kosher pie bakery. That means I sell kosher pies to anyone who wants to buy one, whether they are Jews, Muslims, Christians, gay, straight, vegetarians, Pastafarians or Methodists.

If someone wants a bacon pie I will politely direct them to the bacon pie store down the block.

Why do these people not get that it has nothing to do with THE PRODUCTS BEING SOLD it’s selling product to some customers but not others.

This false equivalence will not die, it is now RWNJ doctrine.

And yes, if a bakery offers only mixed-couple cake toppers, no Gaystapo member can force them to carry same-sex (or inter-species) couple cake-toppers.

So shut up and start frosting that thing.

327 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2015 9:18:17am

Product placement? Or just taking the fun out of shopping for the best deal?

Meh. I wait until things are on sale and include them w/my grocery shopping, even if I’m not out of the item. I’m not brand fixated, either.

Amazon launches ‘Dash Buttons’ that let you re-order household essentials with push of button - @TheNextWeb
read more on thenextweb.com

328 The Week Of No Pie  Mar 31, 2015 9:19:12am

re: #325 Ace-o-aces

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Who will defend us from gay ISIS!!!!!

HURR HURR HOW CAN LIBTARDS COMPLAIN ABOUT CAKE WHEN ISIS IS BEHEADING PEOPLE!!!!!!!!

STOP ALL THE THINGS AS LONG AS THEIR IS ISIS!!!!!

329 Varek Raith  Mar 31, 2015 9:20:45am

re: #323 nearly-headless smith25

So my day on Spring Break is sitting by the pool watching my kids, following the Twitters of Pence, and seeing news in my town about what news is important today

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Moo.

330 Drive By Commenter  Mar 31, 2015 9:22:08am

And Governor Pences’ parents never considered why it took him three tubes of glue to complete one 1/24th scale model car….

331 The Week Of No Pie  Mar 31, 2015 9:22:46am

re: #326 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

And yes, if a bakery offers only mixed-couple cake toppers, no Gaystapo member can force them to carry same-sex (or inter-species) couple cake-toppers.

So shut up and start frosting that thing.

Same sex cake toppers was never the issue, it was refusing to provide the cake underneath the toppers.

332 HappyWarrior  Mar 31, 2015 9:24:59am

re: #331 The Mother Of All Pies

Same sex cake toppers was never the issue, it was refusing to provide the cake underneath the toppers.

Exactly.

333 retired cynic  Mar 31, 2015 9:25:24am

re: #192 Nyet

If we don’t like being called libtards and demonrats, maybe we should try the golden rule amongst ourselves.

334 retired cynic  Mar 31, 2015 9:26:07am

re: #197 Backwoods_Sleuth

Gingrich’s wigmaker strikes again!

335 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2015 9:26:17am

USC athletic director Pat Haden boycotts CFP committee meeting in Indiana this week, says he is ‘proud father of gay son’ - @ADHadenUSC
see original on twitter.com

336 HappyWarrior  Mar 31, 2015 9:27:09am

re: #335 Justanotherhuman

USC athletic director Pat Haden boycotts CFP committee meeting in Indiana this week, says he is ‘proud father of gay son’ - @ADHadenUSC
see original on twitter.com

Good man.

337 Dark_Falcon  Mar 31, 2015 9:28:09am

re: #310 The Mother Of All Pies

This fucking tool==>

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338 stpaulbear  Mar 31, 2015 9:29:00am

re: #333 retired cynic

If we don’t like being called libtards and demonrats, maybe we should try the golden rule amongst ourselves.

I just assume that anyone calling us libtards and demonrats is a moron.

339 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 31, 2015 9:29:15am

re: #331 The Mother Of All Pies

Same sex cake toppers was never the issue, it was refusing to provide the cake underneath the toppers.

It was ostensibly refusing to bestow a blessing on something they find sinful.

But Religious Freedom means that they are free to express their disapproval of gay marriage, and they may feel free to do so directly to the customer while taking the order for Bruce and Roger’s three-tier velvet sheet cake, all whilst filling them in on relevant scriptural passages about what we are supposed to do with men who lie with other men as women, and then remind them that there is still time to repent and save their souls from eternal damnation, which may come more sooner than later…

340 HappyWarrior  Mar 31, 2015 9:30:39am

re: #337 Dark_Falcon

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Precisely. They are operating in the public sphere. Sorry Ben, you don’t get to pick and choose when you offer a service. I wouldn’t be right to refuse Ben service since he’s a wingnut even though I find winguttery immoral and incompatible with my religious beliefs. Really, what people like Shapiro and Pence want is modern day Jim Crow and that’s what this is.

341 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 9:32:02am
342 HappyWarrior  Mar 31, 2015 9:32:10am

Ideally if I were a gay couple, I would want to find a baker or florist who wasn’t a grade A dick but ideally I want people not to be dicks too. Really just bake the cake and shut the fuck up.

343 HappyWarrior  Mar 31, 2015 9:35:54am

It’s simple to me. If you’re going to operate a secular service in the public sphere, then you should be providing your service to anyone free of discrimination. There is no difference between refusing to serve a gay couple than a person of a different race. None. I hope Pence is proud. He’s made his state a punchline and shown yet again why his party and ideology are rightfully seen as one that caters to homophobes.

344 stpaulbear  Mar 31, 2015 9:36:24am

re: #339 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

…all whilst filling them in on relevant scriptural passages about what we are supposed to do with men who lie with other men as women…

My response to that is that when I’m lying with someone, I know I’m not lying with him as a woman.

345 HappyWarrior  Mar 31, 2015 9:37:51am

I mean the Bible says a lot of things. Find me a person who follows every word of what the Bible says and you’ve found me an imaginary person.

346 Dark_Falcon  Mar 31, 2015 9:37:54am

re: #333 retired cynic

If we don’t like being called libtards and demonrats, maybe we should try the golden rule amongst ourselves.

This. Remember, it has been a Republican mayor of Indianapolis who has publicly gone after this bill and made clear those who refuse gay people won’t do business with his city, and it was a Republican state legislator in Georgia who tacked on an anti-discrimination amendment onto that state’s otherwise identical ‘RFRA’ bill, which resulted in the bill being tabled.

So not all nor most Republicans are ‘thugs’ in any way. Using the insult ‘rethuglicans’ shuts down conversation and hardens the positions against the speaker of people who otherwise might listen to him/her.

347 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2015 9:38:01am

BBL. Meanwhile,

348 retired cynic  Mar 31, 2015 9:40:22am

re: #338 stpaulbear

I just assume that anyone calling us libtards and demonrats is a moron.

And they probably are. I am not a republican, but my father was, and he was not a rethuglican, so I resent that on his behalf. My language can be plenty salty privately, but not publicly in a place where I respect the posters and enjoy the atmosphere (most of the time!) as much as I do here.

349 Varek Raith  Mar 31, 2015 9:41:37am

Man Who Escaped Inova Fairfax Hospital Captured After 9-Hour Manhunt

Police have captured the man who escaped custody at Inova Fairfax Hospital.

Wossen Assaye was found near Pennsylvania and Minnesota avenues SE in Washington, D.C., following a massive manhunt that lasted nearly nine hours, a high-ranking police source told News4. He was taken into custody without incident at about 11:30 a.m. Tuesday.

350 HappyWarrior  Mar 31, 2015 9:41:54am

re: #346 Dark_Falcon

This. Remember, it has been a Republican mayor of Indianapolis who has publicly gone after this bill and made clear those who refuse gay people won’t do business with his city, and it was a Republican state legislator in Georgia who tacked on an anti-discrimination amendment onto that state’s otherwise identical ‘RFRA’ bill, which resulted in the bill being tabled.

So not all nor most Republicans are ‘thugs’ in any way. Using the insult ‘rethuglicans’ shuts down conversation and hardens the positions against the speaker of people who otherwise might listen to him/her.

I won’t use Rethuglican but I will happily point out the homophobia, sexism, and racism that is rampant in the party ranks.

351 HappyWarrior  Mar 31, 2015 9:42:17am

re: #349 Varek Raith

Man Who Escaped Inova Fairfax Hospital Captured After 9-Hour Manhunt

I think that’s the hospital where I was born.

352 Dark_Falcon  Mar 31, 2015 9:42:59am

re: #326 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

And yes, if a bakery offers only mixed-couple cake toppers, no Gaystapo member can force them to carry same-sex (or inter-species) couple cake-toppers.

So shut up and start frosting that thing.

BTW, I found a picture of the chosen pistol of the Gaystapo, and its just a fabulously colored as you’d expect.

Image: tumblr_nisnu6Trcg1thdnk9o1_1280.jpg

The photo is from here.

353 Dark_Falcon  Mar 31, 2015 9:44:55am

re: #350 HappyWarrior

I won’t use Rethuglican but I will happily point out the homophobia, sexism, and racism that is rampant in the party ranks.

And that’s OK. That’s fine. It’s broad-brushing all conservatives as ‘thugs’ or all liberals as ‘retards’ that’s the problem.

354 HappyWarrior  Mar 31, 2015 9:45:24am

re: #353 Dark_Falcon

And that’s OK. That’s fine. It’s broad-brushing all conservatives as ‘thugs’ or all liberals as ‘retards’ that’s the problem.

Sure.

355 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 31, 2015 9:45:25am

re: #345 HappyWarrior

I mean the Bible says a lot of things. Find me a person who follows every word of what the Bible says and you’ve found me an imaginary person.

And that is the wonderful thing about “deeply held religious beliefs”. They can be selective as you would like…

356 HappyWarrior  Mar 31, 2015 9:46:01am

re: #355 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

And that is the wonderful thing about “deeply held religious beliefs”. They can be selective as you would like…

I refuse to bake cakes for filthy Presbyterians.//

357 Decatur Deb  Mar 31, 2015 9:46:18am

re: #339 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It was ostensibly refusing to bestow a blessing on something they find sinful.

…snip…

Decorated pastry is not a fucking sacrament. This isn’t about fondant.

358 stpaulbear  Mar 31, 2015 9:46:45am

re: #346 Dark_Falcon

Also remember that at least six republican presidential hopefuls have come out in support of this discrimination bill. It’s not just the fringe. It’s who you really are. The mayor of Indianapolis is an outlier in his party.

(edited for politeness)

359 iceweasel  Mar 31, 2015 9:47:05am

Jimmah (Aye Pod) and I are going to Amsterdam next month!

Hello LGF :)

360 HappyWarrior  Mar 31, 2015 9:48:19am

re: #358 stpaulbear

Also remember that at least six republican presidential hopefuls have come out in support of this discrimination bill. It’s not just a whacko fringe. It’s who you really are. The mayor of Indianapolis is an outlier in his party.

Correct, while Jacobs and the mayor of Indianapolis deserve praise, it does need to be pointed out that they are outliers within their own party and that it was a Republican majority legislature that passed the law and a Republican governor that signed it. And that yes the Republican presidential candidates are supporting it as well.

361 Decatur Deb  Mar 31, 2015 9:48:24am

re: #353 Dark_Falcon

And that’s OK. That’s fine. It’s broad-brushing all conservatives as ‘thugs’ or all liberals as ‘retards’ that’s the problem.

I do not call conservatives thugs. There are some thugs i like.

362 b_sharp  Mar 31, 2015 9:48:28am

re: #359 iceweasel

Jimmah (Aye Pod) and I are going to Amsterdam next month!

Hello LGF :)

Yah, but you two can walk there you’re so close.

363 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Mar 31, 2015 9:49:48am

re: #349 Varek Raith

Glad to hear. This was headline news this morning here in the DC area.

364 iceweasel  Mar 31, 2015 9:50:40am

re: #362 b_sharp

Yah, but you two can walk there you’re so close.

yeah, that’s true :(

but this is the first trip we’ve ever taken together— (we did a lot of travelling in scotland and new york, while each of us was visiting the other, but never a proper trip together)

365 Dark_Falcon  Mar 31, 2015 9:52:21am

re: #362 b_sharp

Yah, but you two can walk there you’re so close.

Actually, they could do that as a train trip. It’d be more than one train, but it could be done by rail nowadays.

366 b_sharp  Mar 31, 2015 9:52:25am

re: #364 iceweasel

yeah, that’s true :(

but this is the first trip we’ve ever taken together— (we did a lot of travelling in scotland and new york, while each of us was visiting the other, but never a proper trip together)

So, a late honeymoon?

367 Ace-o-aces  Mar 31, 2015 9:55:06am

Except without the cool electrical powers.

368 jaunte  Mar 31, 2015 9:56:54am
369 Dark_Falcon  Mar 31, 2015 9:58:26am

So it turns out that the mythical “EMP MISSILE” various nutbars are always worrying about is actually in development. Thing is, we’re the one’s developing it:

The U.S. Air Force Has a Computer-Killing Cruise Missile

But the CHAMP still isn’t ready for battle

370 allegro  Mar 31, 2015 9:58:39am

re: #368 jaunte

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Wouldn’t that include those in the state lege who voted for this shit bill as well?

371 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 9:59:46am
372 Decatur Deb  Mar 31, 2015 10:01:03am

re: #368 jaunte

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Democrat, Notre Dame.

373 Ace-o-aces  Mar 31, 2015 10:02:15am

re: #310 The Mother Of All Pies

This fucking tool==>

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Shapiro is so far behind the curve you almost feel sorry for him. He tries to portray himself as the young, hip conservative, but he’s really playing to the Fox News crowd since so few in his age bracket hold these views. As the older generations die off, he’s going to be left with a shrinking, fringe audience.

374 Decatur Deb  Mar 31, 2015 10:03:07am

re: #369 Dark_Falcon

So it turns out that the mythical “EMP MISSILE” various nutbars are always worrying about is actually in development. Thing is, we’re the one’s developing it:

The U.S. Air Force Has a Computer-Killing Cruise Missile

But the CHAMP still isn’t ready for battle

The British have had a non-nuclear 155 round that produces local effect for a couple decades.

375 Dark_Falcon  Mar 31, 2015 10:03:35am

re: #373 Ace-o-aces

Shapiro is so far behind the curve you almost feel sorry for him. He tries to portray himself as the young, hip conservative, but he’s really playing to the Fox News crowd since so few in his age bracket hold these views. As the older generations die off, he’s going to be left with a shrinking, fringe audience.

I can’t even get to ‘almost’ when someone is being as stupid as he is.

376 GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 31, 2015 10:04:22am
377 iceweasel  Mar 31, 2015 10:04:48am

re: #366 b_sharp

So, a late honeymoon?

Well, I guess *technically* our honeymoon was our first date…

We didn’t leave the hotel for three days, then went to a Dr Who exhibit at Kelvingrove Museum in Glasgow— then Jimmah proposed (again) on the banks of the bonny bonny Kelvin…..I think I won’t say the circumstances of his first proposal. :)

378 HappyWarrior  Mar 31, 2015 10:04:59am

re: #373 Ace-o-aces

Shapiro is so far behind the curve you almost feel sorry for him. He tries to portray himself as the young, hip conservative, but he’s really playing to the Fox News crowd since so few in his age bracket hold these views. As the older generations die off, he’s going to be left with a shrinking, fringe audience.

The only thing young about Ben is his age. Once he gets older, he’ll just be another bitter old wingnut. Nothing cool or hip about him or his ideology.

379 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 10:05:01am

Look It Up!!11!!

380 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 31, 2015 10:05:38am

If I saw a restaurant owner refuse to serve a gay couple, I wouldn’t eat there anymore.

And if it is the only restaurant in town?

381 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 31, 2015 10:05:40am

re: #317 nearly-headless smith25

Holy crap, now that’s beautiful. Even NASCAR…

382 HappyWarrior  Mar 31, 2015 10:06:22am

re: #381 William Barnett-Lewis

Holy crap, now that’s beautiful. Even NASCAR…

I missed that earlier. That’s awesome. Good for them.

383 Decatur Deb  Mar 31, 2015 10:06:35am

re: #381 William Barnett-Lewis

Holy crap, now that’s beautiful. Even NASCAR…

Gracefully worded cop-out. “Come to our events in Indiana.”

384 b_sharp  Mar 31, 2015 10:07:11am

re: #377 iceweasel

Well, I guess *technically* our honeymoon was our first date…

We didn’t leave the hotel for three days, then went to a Dr Who exhibit at Kelvingrove Museum in Glasgow— then Jimmah proposed (again) on the banks of the bonny bonny Kelvin…..I think I won’t say the circumstances of his first proposal. :)

Good move.

385 allegro  Mar 31, 2015 10:08:20am

re: #380 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

If I saw a restaurant owner refuse to serve a gay couple, I wouldn’t eat there anymore.

And if it is the only restaurant in town?

Reminds me of Joe Lieberman’s “short bus ride” argument to rape victims who are refused Plan B at a hospital cuz Jesus.

386 Dark_Falcon  Mar 31, 2015 10:08:23am

re: #381 William Barnett-Lewis

Holy crap, now that’s beautiful. Even NASCAR…

NASCAR has events in blue states too, and I think one or two in Canada as well. It simply does not pay for them to cater to anti-gay preferences on this matter.

387 Ace-o-aces  Mar 31, 2015 10:08:55am
388 HappyWarrior  Mar 31, 2015 10:10:05am

re: #387 Ace-o-aces

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Sure Mike. I’m familiar with Pence’s record. He’s very anti-gay. He’s not fooling anyone with this pretending to be upset by discrimination against gay people.

389 Decatur Deb  Mar 31, 2015 10:10:12am

re: #387 Ace-o-aces

If only we could harness the power from @GovPenceIN backpedaling, it would supply our energy needs for years!

This doesn’t go away until Pence is best man at a gay wedding.

390 Ace-o-aces  Mar 31, 2015 10:10:25am
391 allegro  Mar 31, 2015 10:11:12am

re: #387 Ace-o-aces

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If he believed that he would be pushing for an anti-LGBT discrimination bill. But he’s doing the opposite.

392 Dark_Falcon  Mar 31, 2015 10:11:20am

re: #390 Ace-o-aces

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That post really did make me laugh out loud. Bravo!

393 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 31, 2015 10:12:15am

re: #383 Decatur Deb

Gracefully worded cop-out. “Come to our events in Indiana.”

Can’t get too worried about that wording. The fact that they felt the need to say ANYTHING against the discrimination law is seismic level change.

394 HappyWarrior  Mar 31, 2015 10:12:27am

re: #390 Ace-o-aces

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Hahahhaha.

395 Targetpractice  Mar 31, 2015 10:12:27am

re: #383 Decatur Deb

Gracefully worded cop-out. “Come to our events in Indiana.”

That’s what stuck out to me as well. They’re not canceling events, or even threatening to do so. It’s a nicely worded way of avoiding possible ire.

396 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 10:12:38am

re: #390 Ace-o-aces

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So, Bryan admits the Indiana RFRA is all about discrimination.

397 HappyWarrior  Mar 31, 2015 10:13:48am

re: #396 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, Bryan admits the Indiana RFRA is all about discrimination.

Of course. One thing I will say about Fischer is he doesn’t attempt to hide the fact he’s a hateful asshole. A pathetic self-loathing, sexually repressed one but one that’s pretty open about it and doesn’t try to hide behind “hate the sin, love the sinner.”

398 Decatur Deb  Mar 31, 2015 10:14:13am

re: #396 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, Bryan admits the Indiana RFRA is all about discrimination.

And that he discriminates against Small Gay and Perfectly Adequate Gay.

399 iceweasel  Mar 31, 2015 10:15:03am

re: #397 HappyWarrior

Of course. One thing I will say about Fischer is he doesn’t attempt to hide the fact he’s a hateful asshole. A pathetic self-loathing, sexually repressed one but one that’s pretty open about it and doesn’t try to hide behind “hate the sin, love the sinner.”

He’s pretty straightforward about the fact that he’s a hateful asshole. You’re right, I have to give him that.

400 HappyWarrior  Mar 31, 2015 10:15:46am

re: #399 iceweasel

He’s pretty straightforward about the fact that he’s a hateful asshole. You’re right, I have to give him that.

I wager to say I don’t think I’ve seen one tweet or link to him not being one. It’s pretty impressive really.

401 Targetpractice  Mar 31, 2015 10:17:17am

If anything, the NASCAR statement is a defense mechanism. Somebody upstairs probably realized if they kept silent, it would be interpreted as approval of the law and lead to possible sponsor boycotts. So they’re getting out ahead of all that by making a statement that doesn’t really amount to much besides “We don’t approve of the law.”

402 Lidane  Mar 31, 2015 10:19:22am

re: #401 Targetpractice

If anything, the NASCAR statement is a defense mechanism.

It has to be. Where else is NASCAR going to hold the Indy 500?

403 allegro  Mar 31, 2015 10:20:29am

re: #401 Targetpractice

If anything, the NASCAR statement is a defense mechanism. Somebody upstairs probably realized if they kept silent, it would be interpreted as approval of the law and lead to possible sponsor boycotts. So they’re getting out ahead of all that by making a statement that doesn’t really amount to much besides “We don’t approve of the law.”

In fairness, that’s about all most businesses in IN can do, thus the door stickers that say all are welcome there.

404 Eventual Carrion  Mar 31, 2015 10:21:19am

re: #383 Decatur Deb

Gracefully worded cop-out. “Come to our events in Indiana.”

Just don’t “come out” at any events in Indiana.

405 allegro  Mar 31, 2015 10:21:48am

re: #402 Lidane

It has to be. Where else is NASCAR going to hold the Indy 500?

I was thinking that, too but then wondered if the Indy 500 was a NASCAR thing. (I know nada about car racing.)

406 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 31, 2015 10:22:10am

re: #401 Targetpractice

If anything, the NASCAR statement is a defense mechanism. Somebody upstairs probably realized if they kept silent, it would be interpreted as approval of the law and lead to possible sponsor boycotts. So they’re getting out ahead of all that by making a statement that doesn’t really amount to much besides “We don’t approve of the law.”

I am not going to go as far as boycotting organizations/firms that do not boycott Indiana over RFRA.

But of course Big Gay will be pushing everyone to do so because they are hateful and out to shove their Big Gay Agenda right down our throats or into any other orifice we might present to them, right?

/

407 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 10:23:56am

re: #402 Lidane

It has to be. Where else is NASCAR going to hold the Indy 500?

NASCAR isn’t Indy 500.
That’s Indy Racing League.

408 makeitstop  Mar 31, 2015 10:25:35am

To begin, I love you guys. This thread has given me much-needed laughs this morning.

Second - I’m on the horns of a dilemma here, need some sage Lizard advice.

As many of you know, I have a wingnut sister whom I’ve mentioned here a few times. I got a phone call from her this morning. Her church choir needs a web site, and she recommended me to the powers that be.

In the course of the conversation, I learned that the choir is being bankrolled by the wife of one James Dobson. Yeah, him.

My dilemma is this - should I beg off due to irreconcilable difference of opinion, or take his dirty wingnut money? Any suggestions would be helpful.

409 Lidane  Mar 31, 2015 10:25:50am

re: #407 Backwoods_Sleuth

NASCAR isn’t Indy 500.
That’s Indy Racing League.

Yeah, I thought about that after I posted it.

Still, a lot of NASCAR drivers have raced in the Indy 500 in the past. And NASCAR does good business in the state. They’re sensitive to not losing customers.

410 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 10:25:56am

OTOH, NASCAR does have racing events other times of the year at the Brickyard.

411 b_sharp  Mar 31, 2015 10:26:57am

re: #410 Backwoods_Sleuth

OTOH, NASCAR does have racing events other times of the year at the Brickyard.

On the gripping hand, I’m still waiting for NASCAR to become real racing.

412 GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 31, 2015 10:27:16am

re: #402 Lidane

The F1 track in Austin? Oh wait. There’s right turns there.

413 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 31, 2015 10:28:58am

re: #408 makeitstop

To begin, I love you guys. This thread has given me much-needed laughs this morning.

Second - I’m on the horns of a dilemma here, need some sage Lizard advice.

As many of you know, I have a wingnut sister whom I’ve mentioned here a few times. I got a phone call from her this morning. Her church choir needs a web site, and she recommended me to the powers that be.

In the course of the conversation, I learned that the choir is being bankrolled by the wife of one James Dobson. Yeah, him.

My dilemma is this - should I beg off due to irreconcilable difference of opinion, or take his dirty wingnut money? Any suggestions would be helpful.

As poor as I am right now I am glad I do not face that temptation.

I’d like to think I’d say no because I am a Christian and my faith is opposed by Dobson and his ilk, but like I said, the temptation would be mighty strong.

In the end you have to be able to live with what you do for your living and I couldn’t assist that kind and not need to be going to confession every day.

Good luck with your decision.

414 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 10:28:59am

re: #408 makeitstop

To begin, I love you guys. This thread has given me much-needed laughs this morning.

Second - I’m on the horns of a dilemma here, need some sage Lizard advice.

As many of you know, I have a wingnut sister whom I’ve mentioned here a few times. I got a phone call from her this morning. Her church choir needs a web site, and she recommended me to the powers that be.

In the course of the conversation, I learned that the choir is being bankrolled by the wife of one James Dobson. Yeah, him.

My dilemma is this - should I beg off due to irreconcilable difference of opinion, or take his dirty wingnut money? Any suggestions would be helpful.

How irreconcilable are your beliefs and that of the church choir?
The snarky part of me is quietly chuckling over the possibility of the little tag at the bottom of the webpage saying something like “Website designed and maintained by Heathen Enterprises”

415 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 31, 2015 10:30:39am

re: #362 b_sharp

Yah, but you two can walk there you’re so close.

They just have to be careful dodging the trains in the Chunnel.
/

416 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 10:31:11am

re: #414 Backwoods_Sleuth

How irreconcilable are your beliefs and that of the church choir?
The snarky part of me is quietly chuckling over the possibility of the little tag at the bottom of the webpage saying something like “Website designed and maintained by Heathen Enterprises”

Or maybe even “website designed and maintained by The Big Gay and Assorted Bears”.

417 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 10:33:29am

Meanwhile in Arkansas:

418 Lidane  Mar 31, 2015 10:34:00am
419 b_sharp  Mar 31, 2015 10:34:54am

re: #408 makeitstop

To begin, I love you guys. This thread has given me much-needed laughs this morning.

Second - I’m on the horns of a dilemma here, need some sage Lizard advice.

As many of you know, I have a wingnut sister whom I’ve mentioned here a few times. I got a phone call from her this morning. Her church choir needs a web site, and she recommended me to the powers that be.

In the course of the conversation, I learned that the choir is being bankrolled by the wife of one James Dobson. Yeah, him.

My dilemma is this - should I beg off due to irreconcilable difference of opinion, or take his dirty wingnut money? Any suggestions would be helpful.

Do it but throw in a subliminal eater egg.

420 makeitstop  Mar 31, 2015 10:35:15am

re: #416 Backwoods_Sleuth

Or maybe even “website designed and maintained by The Big Gay and Assorted Bears”.

Even if I don’t put that on the site (provided I do it), I’m tempted to start a band and call it that. :)

I’m sort of leaning toward just providing my sister with a list of recommendations on hosting and platform and telling them to find someone local.

It would fulfill my familial obligations (wingnut or not, she’s my sister and I love her) while providing an out for having to actually do work for that fucker (Dobson, not my sister).

Besides, I’m pretty sure that if they went looking around and saw that I do web sites for heathen rock bands (not to mention my Facebook page), they’d surely fire me on the spot anyway.

421 iceweasel  Mar 31, 2015 10:35:54am

re: #408 makeitstop

To begin, I love you guys. This thread has given me much-needed laughs this morning.

Second - I’m on the horns of a dilemma here, need some sage Lizard advice.

As many of you know, I have a wingnut sister whom I’ve mentioned here a few times. I got a phone call from her this morning. Her church choir needs a web site, and she recommended me to the powers that be.

In the course of the conversation, I learned that the choir is being bankrolled by the wife of one James Dobson. Yeah, him.

My dilemma is this - should I beg off due to irreconcilable difference of opinion, or take his dirty wingnut money? Any suggestions would be helpful.

I think you should take it. If dirty wingnut money can ever make its way into the hands of a godless heathen, I think it should.

If you feel REALLY guilty, donate some (or even all) to a progressive cause.

422 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 31, 2015 10:37:54am

re: #421 iceweasel

I think you should take it. If dirty wingnut money can ever make its way into the hands of a godless heathen, I think it should.

If you feel REALLY guilty, donate some (or even all) to a progressive cause.

And it’s wingnut money going towards supporting a church choir. And their webpage.

423 #FergusonFireside  Mar 31, 2015 10:38:07am

re: #408 makeitstop

To begin, I love you guys. This thread has given me much-needed laughs this morning.

Second - I’m on the horns of a dilemma here, need some sage Lizard advice.

As many of you know, I have a wingnut sister whom I’ve mentioned here a few times. I got a phone call from her this morning. Her church choir needs a web site, and she recommended me to the powers that be.

In the course of the conversation, I learned that the choir is being bankrolled by the wife of one James Dobson. Yeah, him.

My dilemma is this - should I beg off due to irreconcilable difference of opinion, or take his dirty wingnut money? Any suggestions would be helpful.

I refused a bookkeeping job from a Catholic Right to Life group. Too busy.

I never regretted it. It would have been extremely hypocritical to do the work.

424 Eventual Carrion  Mar 31, 2015 10:38:54am

re: #408 makeitstop

To begin, I love you guys. This thread has given me much-needed laughs this morning.

Second - I’m on the horns of a dilemma here, need some sage Lizard advice.

As many of you know, I have a wingnut sister whom I’ve mentioned here a few times. I got a phone call from her this morning. Her church choir needs a web site, and she recommended me to the powers that be.

In the course of the conversation, I learned that the choir is being bankrolled by the wife of one James Dobson. Yeah, him.

My dilemma is this - should I beg off due to irreconcilable difference of opinion, or take his dirty wingnut money? Any suggestions would be helpful.

Take it, it’s a gig. If it were a full time job I would say different. In fact I turned down a headhunter that was pitching a position at a place that I checked the web site and they were heavy religious. I just knew I wouldn’t fit in. But for a short term contract job, I would take that.

425 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 10:39:32am
426 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 31, 2015 10:41:36am

And why withhold your services due to a deeply held secular belief?
// j/k ;P

427 stpaulbear  Mar 31, 2015 10:42:11am

re: #420 makeitstop

Besides, I’m pretty sure that if they went looking around and saw that I do web sites for heathen rock bands (not to mention my Facebook page), they’d surely fire me on the spot anyway.

They’d most likely wait until you’re finished before they fire you.

Make sure that you’re not building up a backlog of unpaid time if you’re working for a group like Dobson’s.

428 Lidane  Mar 31, 2015 10:42:14am

re: #408 makeitstop

My dilemma is this - should I beg off due to irreconcilable difference of opinion, or take his dirty wingnut money? Any suggestions would be helpful.

I’m currently employed at an ad agency that does a ton of work for conservative and Republican candidates, so I can definitely understand what you’re feeling. I’m lucky, though. My co-workers aren’t frothing wingnuts. They look at the RWNJs and roll their eyes. And they’re nice people besides.

Just do what I’m doing — take the money, do your job well, use the experience to build up your resume, and secretly kick a few extra bucks to causes you believe in. :)

429 Lidane  Mar 31, 2015 10:42:54am

re: #412 GlutenFreeJesus

The F1 track in Austin? Oh wait. There’s right turns there.

Yes. And Willie Nelson will have his 4th of July party out there this year. Fun times.

430 GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 31, 2015 10:46:11am
431 Snarknado!  Mar 31, 2015 10:47:14am

re: #408 makeitstop

To begin, I love you guys. This thread has given me much-needed laughs this morning.

Second - I’m on the horns of a dilemma here, need some sage Lizard advice.

As many of you know, I have a wingnut sister whom I’ve mentioned here a few times. I got a phone call from her this morning. Her church choir needs a web site, and she recommended me to the powers that be.

In the course of the conversation, I learned that the choir is being bankrolled by the wife of one James Dobson. Yeah, him.

My dilemma is this - should I beg off due to irreconcilable difference of opinion, or take his dirty wingnut money? Any suggestions would be helpful.

I wouldn’t feel too compromised over a church choir — if it were political, it would be another matter.

432 wrenchwench  Mar 31, 2015 10:48:32am
433 iceweasel  Mar 31, 2015 10:49:09am

re: #428 Lidane

I’m currently employed at an ad agency that does a ton of work for conservative and Republican candidates, so I can definitely understand what you’re feeling. I’m lucky, though. My co-workers aren’t frothing wingnuts. They look at the RWNJs and roll their eyes. And they’re nice people besides.

Just do what I’m doing — take the money, do your job well, use the experience to build up your resume, and secretly kick a few extra bucks to causes you believe in. :)

I support this view. Maybe it’s generational to some extent though?

A course of action that’s reasonable in your twenties is much less palatable sometimes in your forties. For example!

434 Tigger2  Mar 31, 2015 10:49:41am

re: #317 nearly-headless smith25

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My God It is a big deal when Pence loses NASCAR.

435 wrenchwench  Mar 31, 2015 10:49:50am

re: #420 makeitstop

It’s not about who they are, it’s about who you are. I support you whichever way you go.

436 allegro  Mar 31, 2015 10:50:32am

re: #408 makeitstop

To begin, I love you guys. This thread has given me much-needed laughs this morning.

Second - I’m on the horns of a dilemma here, need some sage Lizard advice.

As many of you know, I have a wingnut sister whom I’ve mentioned here a few times. I got a phone call from her this morning. Her church choir needs a web site, and she recommended me to the powers that be.

In the course of the conversation, I learned that the choir is being bankrolled by the wife of one James Dobson. Yeah, him.

My dilemma is this - should I beg off due to irreconcilable difference of opinion, or take his dirty wingnut money? Any suggestions would be helpful.

I’d suggest taking the gig in the business-is-business vein. Not unlike the just bake the damn cake argument.

That said, I’ve shared this here in the past WRT my brother the audio-video engineer. He did sound and video for a number of churches and got burned Every. Single. Time. They all seemed to work from the same playbook, i.e. agree to equipment, labor, price, etc. and then make increasing demands and upgrades while refusing to pay for them, pointing to the contract. For instance, they would insist on stuff that he recommended against and then when they weren’t happy with it - as he’d clearly told them upfront - they’d demand an upgrade at the same cost.

After a few such experiences, he refused to even bid on any church or religious related jobs or he’s bid WAY high to assure he’d never be considered. Just wasn’t worth the hassle.

437 GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 31, 2015 10:50:43am

re: #434 Tigger2

He didn’t really lose them. They are still going to be racing in Indy. It was just CYA speak from NASCAR. They have to appeal to both sides. Unfortunately, one side is totally wrong.

438 The Week Of No Pie  Mar 31, 2015 10:51:54am

TCOT is full of this shit all day long==>

439 stpaulbear  Mar 31, 2015 10:51:58am

Todd Starnes is going after Pence for backing down on discrimination. The christianists want their anti-gay law, dammit! (h/t Joe My God. Ads sometimes NSFW)

Image: StarnesPence.jpg

440 makeitstop  Mar 31, 2015 10:52:08am

Thanks all for your good advice.

If we were in the same physical space, I’d hug you all, then buy you each the frosty beverage of your choice.

I have until Friday to mull, so mull I shall. But your collective insight is truly appreciated.

441 Lidane  Mar 31, 2015 10:52:54am

re: #433 iceweasel

I support this view. Maybe it’s generational to some extent though?

A course of action that’s reasonable in your twenties is much less palatable sometimes in your forties. For example!

If I was still in my 20’s I probably wouldn’t have accepted the initial job interview, since they told me upfront they do a lot of work with conservative and Republican candidates.

At 41 when I was facing eviction and needing a job? Plus I was being offered something that actually puts both of my degrees to use? Pfft. Fuck unemployment. I’ll give extra support to causes I care about to repay the karma. Heh.

442 Dr Lizardo  Mar 31, 2015 10:52:55am

re: #408 makeitstop

If it were me, and I admit to being a snarky sort, I’d probably insert in fine print at the bottom “This website designed and maintained by Lahilahailallah, Inc.”

But that’s just me. :)

443 iceweasel  Mar 31, 2015 10:53:26am

re: #440 makeitstop

Thanks all for your good advice.

If we were in the same physical space, I’d hug you all, then buy you each the frosty beverage of your choice.

I have until Friday to mull, so mull I shall. But your collective insight is truly appreciated.

Good luck. Like ww, I support you whatever you choose. :)

444 iceweasel  Mar 31, 2015 10:54:24am

re: #441 Lidane

If I was still in my 20’s I probably wouldn’t have accepted the initial job interview, since they told me upfront they do a lot of work with conservative and Republican candidates.

At 41 when I was facing eviction and needing a job? Plus I was being offered something that actually puts both of my degrees to use? Pfft. Fuck unemployment. I’ll give extra support to causes I care about to repay the karma. Heh.

TOTALLY. This!

445 HappyWarrior  Mar 31, 2015 10:54:38am

re: #438 The Mother Of All Pies

TCOT is full of this shit all day long==>

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So stupid.

446 Targetpractice  Mar 31, 2015 10:55:09am

re: #438 The Mother Of All Pies

TCOT is full of this shit all day long==>

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It’s a simple enough matter, wingnuts, if the Muslim business does not sell pork now, it will not be forced to in the future. But if the bakery sells wedding cakes to straight couples, then it must also sell them to gay couples.

447 The Week Of No Pie  Mar 31, 2015 10:55:32am
448 Patricia Kayden  Mar 31, 2015 10:55:39am

re: #152 Nyet

Dems must use any opportunity to emphasize: if a Rethug comes to power, it means war, war, war.

Repubs are doing a great job of that. There’s no doubt that Repubs are itching for a war with Iran, which would lead to the deaths of thousands of American soldiers. But who cares, right? As long as Cheney and his ilk make $$ through war profiteering, that’s all that really matters.

449 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 10:55:47am

POPCORN!!!

hahahaaaaa!!!

450 HappyWarrior  Mar 31, 2015 10:56:09am

re: #446 Targetpractice

It’s a simple enough matter, wingnuts, if the Muslim business does not sell pork now, it will not be forced to in the future. But if the bakery sells wedding cakes to straight couples, then it must also sell them to gay couples.

Right. Why the fuck is this so fucking complicated for them to understand? Oh wait, they just want a free ticket to discriminate against gay people.

451 The Week Of No Pie  Mar 31, 2015 10:56:43am

KLM promised to deliver our misplaced bag by the end of the day. It’s 8:00 PM here in Prague.

452 HappyWarrior  Mar 31, 2015 10:56:44am

re: #449 Backwoods_Sleuth

POPCORN!!!

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hahahaaaaa!!!

Like Boehner gives a shit about American workers.

453 wrenchwench  Mar 31, 2015 10:56:51am
454 Patricia Kayden  Mar 31, 2015 10:57:18am

re: #430 GlutenFreeJesus

Insult to Darth Vader, notwithstanding.

455 Timothy Watson  Mar 31, 2015 10:58:11am

re: #449 Backwoods_Sleuth

POPCORN!!!

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hahahaaaaa!!!

The White House still uses Courier font?

456 Dave In Austin  Mar 31, 2015 10:58:11am
457 Mattand  Mar 31, 2015 10:58:48am

re: #346 Dark_Falcon

This. Remember, it has been a Republican mayor of Indianapolis who has publicly gone after this bill and made clear those who refuse gay people won’t do business with his city, and it was a Republican state legislator in Georgia who tacked on an anti-discrimination amendment onto that state’s otherwise identical ‘RFRA’ bill, which resulted in the bill being tabled.

So not all nor most Republicans are ‘thugs’ in any way. Using the insult ‘rethuglicans’ shuts down conversation and hardens the positions against the speaker of people who otherwise might listen to him/her.

While I applaud the GA state rep and the IN mayor for the actions, let’s also keep in mind that they are just about the only two GOP members to publicly call this Jim Crow law for what it is.

I’d also be curious to see what these two gentlemen’s past record on gay rights is. The cynic in me says they’re driven mostly by business concerns, rather than giving a shit that people are being discriminated against.

I wouldn’t exactly break my arm patting myself on the back if I were Republican because of these two. Treating gays as second-class citizen is still a major GOP campaign plank.

And as other people have pointed, six Republicans, one declared and five “most likely”, who want to run the entire fucking country gave an official response of “Atta boy, Mike Pence!”

You guys have a looooooong way to go when it comes to treating some of your fellow Americans as human equals.

458 Tigger2  Mar 31, 2015 10:58:57am

re: #409 Lidane

Yeah, I thought about that after I posted it.

Still, a lot of NASCAR drivers have raced in the Indy 500 in the past. And NASCAR does good business in the state. They’re sensitive to not losing customers.

And NASCAR does have a race at the Indianapolis 500 track.

459 iceweasel  Mar 31, 2015 10:59:05am

re: #455 Timothy Watson

The White House still uses Courier font?

Ha!

I love you guys.

460 Dr Lizardo  Mar 31, 2015 10:59:38am

re: #451 The Mother Of All Pies

KLM promised to deliver our misplaced bag by the end of the day. It’s 8:00 PM here in Prague.

The day doesn’t end until midnight. Or at least, that’s what my Czech friends would tell me.

Meanwhile, check out Prague’s Franz Kafka International Airport, named the “World’s Most Alienating Airport”. My Czech students love this one from the Onion - it gets genuine out-loud laughter.

…

461 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 10:59:56am

re: #455 Timothy Watson

The White House still uses Courier font?

Sometimes ya just gotta go old school…

462 Targetpractice  Mar 31, 2015 11:00:10am

re: #453 wrenchwench

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“Halos without sacrifice”? The fuck?

463 Mattand  Mar 31, 2015 11:00:16am

re: #408 makeitstop

To begin, I love you guys. This thread has given me much-needed laughs this morning.

Second - I’m on the horns of a dilemma here, need some sage Lizard advice.

As many of you know, I have a wingnut sister whom I’ve mentioned here a few times. I got a phone call from her this morning. Her church choir needs a web site, and she recommended me to the powers that be.

In the course of the conversation, I learned that the choir is being bankrolled by the wife of one James Dobson. Yeah, him.

My dilemma is this - should I beg off due to irreconcilable difference of opinion, or take his dirty wingnut money? Any suggestions would be helpful.

Personally, I wouldn’t do it, based on the Dobson connection.

464 HappyWarrior  Mar 31, 2015 11:00:36am

re: #453 wrenchwench

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I like how they try to claim Christian persecution when a lot of Christians are condemning this. And frankly they’re one to talk about absurd caricatures when they paint gays as demonic. If you are in a secular line of work and baking cakes, arranging flowers, and photographing weddings, you don’t get to claim that your religious beliefs prohibit you from doing something that you would do for others. Or maybe it’s time to admit you’re a shitty businessperson if your service is only open to certain kinds of people.

465 BeachDem  Mar 31, 2015 11:00:45am

re: #423 #FergusonFireside

I refused a bookkeeping job from a Catholic Right to Life group. Too busy.

I never regretted it. It would have been extremely hypocritical to do the work.

I lost one of my biggest agency clients years ago, because I refused to work on a payday lender account they had. The loss of income hurt, but I never regretted that decision either.

466 goddamnedfrank  Mar 31, 2015 11:01:01am

re: #450 HappyWarrior

Right. Why the fuck is this so fucking complicated for them to understand?

They keep equating the customer with the product, not wanting to get that there is total control over the latter but not the former.

The fact that this all dovetails nicely into liberpublitardian opposition to the Civil Rights Act Title II isn’t a coincidence.

467 iossarian  Mar 31, 2015 11:01:07am

re: #455 Timothy Watson

The White House still uses Courier font?

Part of being POTUS is that you don’t have to give a shit what some guy in chunky glasses thinks of your font.

468 Dark_Falcon  Mar 31, 2015 11:01:13am

re: #430 GlutenFreeJesus

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Doesn’t work. Mike Pence came across a good bit more clueless than a Sith or Dark Jedi would be. Force users, even the evil ones, have a fair bit of insight into the minds near them, and Pence did not demonstrate such insight.

469 HappyWarrior  Mar 31, 2015 11:01:47am

re: #460 Dr Lizardo

The day doesn’t end until midnight. Or at least, that’s what my Czech friends would tell me.

Meanwhile, check out Prague’s Franz Kafka International Airport, named the “World’s Most Alienating Airport”. My Czech students love this one from the Onion - it gets genuine out-loud laughter.

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Video

Oldie but a goodie.

470 wrenchwench  Mar 31, 2015 11:03:11am

re: #462 Targetpractice

“Halos without sacrifice”? The fuck?

“Wings without the work.” It’s tough work being a bigot and experiencing all the intolerant homosexuals and their friends.

471 Targetpractice  Mar 31, 2015 11:04:03am

re: #466 goddamnedfrank

They keep equating the customer with the product, not wanting to get that there is total control over the latter but not the former.

The fact that this all dovetails nicely into liberpublitardian opposition to the Civil Rights Act Title II isn’t a coincidence.

Every wingnut I’ve asked to explain why a Christian business can refuse to sell cakes to gay couples, but one owned by black folks can’t refuse to serve white customers, has refused to give me an answer. They either deflect or they accuse me of a “double standard.”

472 Shiplord Kirel  Mar 31, 2015 11:04:30am

Oddments from the weird, wacky world of the ammosexual:

Know the commie by his gun.

I happened to tune in a talk radio discussion during which, for a wonder, the RWNJ host actually acknowledged that liberal gun owners exist. He went on to explain. though, that they prefer Russian originated guns and ammunition calibers, like 7.62x39 or X54 “for political reasons.”

I couldn’t get through to set him straight by letting him know that we don’t necessarily prefer those calibers and guns, much as we might like to show solidarity with our defunct Soviet comrades, it’s just that those are the ones they make in places like North Korea and Iran and that Obama and Holder can therefore provide for free through the secret ACORN/Muslim Brotherhood armaments network.

473 TedStriker  Mar 31, 2015 11:04:46am

re: #441 Lidane

If I was still in my 20’s I probably wouldn’t have accepted the initial job interview, since they told me upfront they do a lot of work with conservative and Republican candidates.

At 41 when I was facing eviction and needing a job? Plus I was being offered something that actually puts both of my degrees to use? Pfft. Fuck unemployment. I’ll give extra support to causes I care about to repay the karma. Heh.

Even idealists have to eat and put a roof over their heads, so I can’t say as I blame you.

Every now and then, everyone has to take a bite off of a shit sandwich.

474 Dark_Falcon  Mar 31, 2015 11:05:20am

re: #449 Backwoods_Sleuth

POPCORN!!!

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hahahaaaaa!!!

I happen to think the recent NLRB rules changes are bad and I think Congress was right to vote to scrap them. The president has the right to use his veto, but others have the right to think the rules he’s supporting are bad and dangerous. It’s not really a comic subject.

475 Tigger2  Mar 31, 2015 11:05:22am

re: #434 Tigger2

My God It is a big deal when Pence loses NASCAR.

But Pence did lost them on this issue and NASCAR does have a lot of sway with their fans.

This post was supposed to be to ( GlutenFreeJesus Post 437 )

476 Patricia Kayden  Mar 31, 2015 11:06:18am

re: #205 stpaulbear

The NYT has an editorial by David Brooks saying that the LGBT community and their supporters should just politely accomodate discrimination allowed by Indiana’s new law. Just be nice. You super-privileged dink.

He’s getting ripped to teeny little shreds in the ‘reader’s choice’ comments. The comments are the only reason to click on Brooks’ stinking turd of an argument.

Yes because being polite to racists worked so well in the 60s for Black Americans.

477 HappyWarrior  Mar 31, 2015 11:06:23am

re: #474 Dark_Falcon

I happen to think the recent NLRB rules changes are bad and I think Congress was right to vote to scrap them. The president has the right to use his veto, but others have the right to think the rules he’s supporting are bad and dangerous. It’s not really a comic subject.

The NLRB has had a bias in favor of management over labor for a long time now. It’s time for a more favorable push in the other direction.

478 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 11:06:38am

re: #468 Dark_Falcon

Doesn’t work. Mike Pence came across a good bit more clueless than a Sith or Dark Jedi would be. Force users, even the evil ones, have a fair bit of insight into the minds near them, and Pence did not demonstrate such insight.

You obviously did not listen the Pence’s press conference.
His breathing was so totally Darth Vader.

479 HappyWarrior  Mar 31, 2015 11:07:16am

re: #476 Patricia Kayden

Yes because being polite to racists worked so well in the 60s for Black Americans.

I think a lot of Americans don’t realize how much violence was perpetuated on civil rights activists.

480 iossarian  Mar 31, 2015 11:07:22am

re: #477 HappyWarrior

The NLRB has had a bias in favor of management over labor for a long time now. It’s time for a more favorable push in the other direction.

I know. The horror of thinking that you could just, like, ask people whether they would like a union or not.

481 HappyWarrior  Mar 31, 2015 11:07:47am

re: #480 iossarian

I know. The horror of thinking that you could just, like, ask people whether they would like a union or not.

Down right terrible.//

482 Targetpractice  Mar 31, 2015 11:08:58am

re: #470 wrenchwench

“Wings without the work.” It’s tough work being a bigot and experiencing all the intolerant homosexuals and their friends.

That phrase made me think the fuckhead was trying to argue that we should wait for discrimination to actually be widespread before doing something about it. As if we need to actually have a new era of Jim Crow for gay people before there is a need for laws to address it.

483 CuriousLurker  Mar 31, 2015 11:10:21am

re: #408 makeitstop

[…]

In the course of the conversation, I learned that the choir is being bankrolled by the wife of one James Dobson. Yeah, him.

My dilemma is this - should I beg off due to irreconcilable difference of opinion, or take his dirty wingnut money? Any suggestions would be helpful.

re: #463 Mattand

Personally, I wouldn’t do it, based on the Dobson connection.

Seconded. Unless I desperately, and I do mean desperately needed the work, I’d decline.

484 Dark_Falcon  Mar 31, 2015 11:10:21am

re: #462 Targetpractice

“Halos without sacrifice”? The fuck?

He’s saying that the people pushing for gay marriage want to be thought of in the same vein as Whitney Young and Martin Luther King Jr., sainted if you will, without having endured what those men endured.

He is utterly wrong in this contention. I’ve never known gay marriage campaigners who think they rate that high. They know the risks they run are far less than those run by men like Dr. King. They often thank those men for making it safer for those who are campaigning now, but they do not think themselves on the same level.

And that’s my wingnut rebuttal for the day.

485 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 11:10:28am

re: #474 Dark_Falcon

I happen to think the recent NLRB rules changes are bad and I think Congress was right to vote to scrap them. The president has the right to use his veto, but others have the right to think the rules he’s supporting are bad and dangerous. It’s not really a comic subject.

I am a strong union supporter and I think the GOP hates American workers and the middle class pulling shit like this.

Boehner is the comic subject.

486 Lidane  Mar 31, 2015 11:10:59am

re: #473 TedStriker

Even idealists have to eat and put a roof over their heads, so I can’t say as I blame you.

Every now and then, everyone has to take a bit off of a shit sandwich.

It’s not so bad, at least now. All the heavy duty GOP stuff is done by other Account Executives. Since I speak Spanish, and no one else in this office does, my work is largely focused on ad campaigns in Mexico and Latin America.

It should be interesting work over the next year or so, especially with a presidential election coming up.

487 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 11:11:17am

re: #480 iossarian

I know. The horror of thinking that you could just, like, ask people whether they would like a union or not.

yep…total tyranny…

488 Eventual Carrion  Mar 31, 2015 11:11:45am

I just ordered tickets for a Jackson Browne concert later in the summer. Woohoo.

489 Dark_Falcon  Mar 31, 2015 11:13:10am

re: #478 Backwoods_Sleuth

You obviously did not listen the Pence’s press conference.
His breathing was so totally Darth Vader.

I just was getting my sci-fi geek on.

490 The Week Of No Pie  Mar 31, 2015 11:14:03am

re: #460 Dr Lizardo

The day doesn’t end until midnight. Or at least, that’s what my Czech friends would tell me.

Meanwhile, check out Prague’s Franz Kafka International Airport, named the “World’s Most Alienating Airport”. My Czech students love this one from the Onion - it gets genuine out-loud laughter.

[Embedded content]

Video

Holy shit did they change the name of the airport since last night? No wonder my bag can’t find its way.

491 Timothy Watson  Mar 31, 2015 11:15:19am

re: #468 Dark_Falcon

Doesn’t work. Mike Pence came across a good bit more clueless than a Sith or Dark Jedi would be. Force users, even the evil ones, have a fair bit of insight into the minds near them, and Pence did not demonstrate such insight.

True, Pence is the Jar Jar Binks of American politics.

492 lawhawk  Mar 31, 2015 11:15:31am
493 Dark_Falcon  Mar 31, 2015 11:17:19am

re: #492 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

There’s a phrase for this, folks. It’s called ‘Pile-On’. I expect Indiana to crack under the pressure, though its possible it won’t.

494 Jay C  Mar 31, 2015 11:18:42am

re: #456 Dave In Austin

[Embedded content]

“..no idea of the forces they are releasing into their state…”

So are these “forces” meant to be something like “God will destroy Indianapolis in a rain of fire-and-brimstone”, or “Bryan Fisher and Tony Perkins will barrage social media with nasty tweets”??

Or do simply assume the latter has about the same “punitive” force as the former??

495 Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 31, 2015 11:20:41am

I gotta say, the response to the passage of Indiana’s RFRA has been heartening. Last week the Right were all smiles about how they’d gotten this done, and imagining it as the first of many such laws to allow them to legally treat certain of their fellow Americans like shit.

Now, they find just how little support there is for it, and their guy Pence is backpedaling like mad, leaving them whining about not giving up in the face of “Big Gay” - all while Pence is trying to paint this as in no way against LGBT folks.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

496 wrenchwench  Mar 31, 2015 11:20:44am

re: #493 Dark_Falcon

There’s a phrase for this, folks. It’s called ‘Pile-On’. I expect Indiana to crack under the pressure, though its possible it won’t.

The term ‘pile-on’ is usually used by people who think the actions are not called for.

497 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 31, 2015 11:21:07am

re: #476 Patricia Kayden

Yes because being polite to racists worked so well in the 60s for Black Americans.

Didn’t they have a particular term they used when they thought the blacks were not being polite and subservient enough?
////

498 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2015 11:22:30am

re: #493 Dark_Falcon

There’s a phrase for this, folks. It’s called ‘Pile-On’. I expect Indiana to crack under the pressure, though its possible it won’t.

No, the phrase you are looking for is “calling them out”.

499 Dr Lizardo  Mar 31, 2015 11:22:55am

re: #490 The Mother Of All Pies

Holy shit did they change the name of the airport since last night? No wonder my bag can’t find its way.

LOL

500 CuriousLurker  Mar 31, 2015 11:22:58am

re: #496 wrenchwench

The term ‘pile-on’ is usually used by people who think the actions are not called for.

I was thinking the same thing. This “pile on” is well deserved.

501 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 31, 2015 11:23:56am

re: #490 The Mother Of All Pies

Holy shit did they change the name of the airport since last night? No wonder my bag can’t find its way.

Just hope that the bag doesn’t turn up after having metamorphising into a giant cockroach.
/

502 CuriousLurker  Mar 31, 2015 11:26:49am

re: #496 wrenchwench

The term ‘pile-on’ is usually used by people who think the actions are not called for.

Then there’s this, heh:

…

503 Dark_Falcon  Mar 31, 2015 11:26:52am

re: #496 wrenchwench

The term ‘pile-on’ is usually used by people who think the actions are not called for.

Usually, but not this time. This time Indiana is getting piled-onto and it deserves it, is my view.

504 HappyWarrior  Mar 31, 2015 11:27:03am

re: #501 Feline Fearless Leader

Just hope that the bag doesn’t turn up after having metamorphising into a giant cockroach.
/

or is put on trial.

505 HappyWarrior  Mar 31, 2015 11:28:20am

re: #503 Dark_Falcon

Usually, but not this time. This time Indiana is getting piled-onto and it deserves it, is my view.

What do you make of the fact that none of the possible or declared candidates have condemned it? Well, let’s be more clear, what do you make of the fact that all have praised ti.

506 Decatur Deb  Mar 31, 2015 11:29:52am

from the Gallup site, an assessment of how wise is the GOP candidates’ play to the ultra-religious:

How Many Highly Religious Conservative Republicans Are There?

gallup.com

507 Dave In Austin  Mar 31, 2015 11:30:30am

re: #494 Jay C

“..no idea of the forces they are releasing into their state…”

So are these “forces” meant to be something like “God will destroy Indianapolis in a rain of fire-and-brimstone”, or “Bryan Fisher and Tony Perkins will barrage social media with nasty tweets”??

Or do simply assume the latter has about the same “punitive” force as the former??

I envision an army of Big Gay Als decending on the IN. capital to initiate change.
////

508 lizardofid  Mar 31, 2015 11:37:53am

re: #506 Decatur Deb

I guess this, at least in part, explains the ever enjoyable circular firing squad, which is a R primary?

509 Nyet  Mar 31, 2015 11:51:52am

re: #333 retired cynic

If we don’t like being called libtards and demonrats, maybe we should try the golden rule amongst ourselves.

I tend to think there is no equivalence here. YMMV.

510 BeachDem  Mar 31, 2015 12:01:33pm

re: #488 Eventual Carrion

I just ordered tickets for a Jackson Browne concert later in the summer. Woohoo.

SOOOO jealous! Where is the concert (I looked at the tour schedule and nothing is near me.)

511 gwangung  Mar 31, 2015 12:23:15pm

re: #476 Patricia Kayden

Yes because being polite to racists worked so well in the 60s for Black Americans.

Republicans actually think that.


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