McConnell Warns Foreign Leaders the GOP Will Undermine Obama’s Climate Plan

The word for this is “subversion”
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Taking a page from Tom Cotton’s playbook, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is now warning foreign leaders not to sign on to the United Nations climate change pact, because the Republican Party will subvert any effort by the Obama administration to cut US greenhouse gas emissions.

“Considering that two-thirds of the U.S. federal government hasn’t even signed off on the Clean Power Plan and 13 states have already pledged to fight it, our international partners should proceed with caution before entering into a binding, unattainable deal,” McConnell said in a Tuesday statement.

McConnell has similarly warned states against complying with the EPA’s climate rule, saying it’s illegal and states should not enable the rule.

The insanity of the Republican Party just keeps getting worse.

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1 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 12:33:39pm

We really need to do everything possible to ensure McConnell is the minority leader in a couple years.

2 Tigger2  Apr 1, 2015 12:36:16pm

Mitch is an idiot a lot of Foreign countries believe more in climate change then a lot of Americans do.

3 Dr. Matt  Apr 1, 2015 12:36:53pm

Continuing from the previous thread:

4 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 12:37:50pm

You go, Seth! This gives me hope that the young will eventually be able to undo and put into the political graveyard what the current Rs are now doing.

5 EPR-radar  Apr 1, 2015 12:37:50pm

If the GOP cannot rule, it will destroy. Ironic coming from a bunch of self-described ‘patriots’.

6 Tigger2  Apr 1, 2015 12:37:52pm

re: #3 Dr. Matt

Continuing from the previous thread:

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rotflmao

7 Targetpractice  Apr 1, 2015 12:38:01pm

I cannot, for the life of me, remember a time when Republicans got this brazen about undermining the sitting president, and that goes for either party. And I’ll qualify that to say that yes, past presidents have had major initiatives bogged down or killed by the opposition party. But I cannot think of any time when an opposition party has told world leaders that Congress will take actions to prevent a president from doing something on the world stage.

8 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 12:38:05pm

re: #3 Dr. Matt

Continuing from the previous thread:

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Kind of a dickish thing to do but then again so is admitting that you plan to discriminate against people. So not an inch of sympathy for the O’Connors.

9 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2015 12:38:17pm

Mitch is also telling governors to IGNORE any federal law related to carbon emission reduction.

10 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 12:39:23pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

Mitch is also telling governors to IGNORE any federal law related to carbon emission reduction.

Two of Kentucky’s greatest sons- Henry Clay and Abe Lincoln I’m sure would like a word with Mitch about that.

11 EPR-radar  Apr 1, 2015 12:39:28pm

re: #7 Targetpractice

I cannot, for the life of me, remember a time when Republicans got this brazen about undermining the sitting president, and that goes for either party. And I’ll qualify that to say that yes, past presidents have had major initiatives bogged down or killed by the opposition party. But I cannot think of any time when an opposition party has told world leaders that Congress will take actions to prevent a president from doing something on the world stage.

If these Republicans were sent back in time to the WWII era, they would most certainly collaborate with Hitler to oppose FDR.

12 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 12:40:39pm

re: #11 EPR-radar

If these Republicans were sent back in time to the WWII era, they would most certainly collaborate with Hitler to oppose FDR.

I sadly think that’s a given. And you know fur sure if it was Obama they would be “Hitler stands up against the communists, why can’t we have a leader like that!”

13 allegro  Apr 1, 2015 12:43:25pm

re: #8 HappyWarrior

Kind of a dickish thing to do but then again so is admitting that you plan to discriminate against people. So not an inch of sympathy for the O’Connors.

Seems quite biblical to me. There’s that as you sow, so shall you reap thing.

Edited to get it in the right order. LOL

14 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2015 12:44:38pm

good freaking grief…

15 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 12:44:57pm

re: #13 allegro

Seems quite biblical to me. There’s that as you sow, so shall you reap thing.

Edited to get it in the right order. LOL

What goes around comes around. I am sure we’ll be hearing from the evangelicwhiners how this will lead to genocide against Christians or from MBFs claiming this is just as “bad.”

16 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 12:45:12pm

re: #14 Backwoods_Sleuth

good freaking grief…

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He knows his audience.

17 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 1, 2015 12:45:43pm

re: #7 Targetpractice

I cannot, for the life of me, remember a time when Republicans got this brazen about undermining the sitting president, and that goes for either party. And I’ll qualify that to say that yes, past presidents have had major initiatives bogged down or killed by the opposition party. But I cannot think of any time when an opposition party has told world leaders that Congress will take actions to prevent a president from doing something on the world stage.

Pretty much openly telling the rest of the world that the United States government is divided and weak. Which, of course, is what they keep proclaiming Obama is doing.

18 Timothy Watson  Apr 1, 2015 12:46:13pm

re: #14 Backwoods_Sleuth

good freaking grief…

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Illegal immigrants, is there anything they can’t do?

19 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 1, 2015 12:46:40pm

re: #11 EPR-radar

If these Republicans were sent back in time to the WWII era, they would most certainly collaborate with Hitler to oppose FDR.

And then get arrested by J Edgar Hoover and castigated in the media by Robert Taft.

20 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 1, 2015 12:47:27pm

re: #8 HappyWarrior

Kind of a dickish thing to do but then again so is admitting that you plan to discriminate against people. So not an inch of sympathy for the O’Connors.

Yeah I can’t approve of this, the hacking that is. I think this crosses a line.

Yes, the business owner is acting dickish. And he should have better business sense than that, if nothing else. But he’s pretty small potatoes in the larger scheme of things. He’s not anywhere on the level of Tony Perkins, Bryan Fischer, etc.

The LGBT community and its allies still need to appeal to compassion and reason to make the world a better place for all of us.

Of course the hacking is probably the work of some lone gunman nuts who just want to be pricks. I don’t think it’s representative of the LGBT community as a whole (no true LGBT….///).

21 Amory Blaine  Apr 1, 2015 12:47:46pm

Why do wingnuts have a lock on the Pizza business?

22 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2015 12:48:13pm

Signing illegal alien magnets???

What does that even mean???

23 wrenchwench  Apr 1, 2015 12:48:41pm

re: #18 Timothy Watson

Illegal immigrants, is there anything they can’t do?

A generation ago, what they couldn’t do was bathe enough. Now they do it too much !

24 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 12:49:02pm

re: #20 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Yeah I can’t approve of this, the hacking that is. I think this crosses a line.

Yes, the business owner is acting dickish. And he should have better business sense than that, if nothing else. But he’s pretty small potatoes in the larger scheme of things. He’s not anywhere on the level of Tony Perkins, Bryan Fischer, etc.

The LGBT community and its allies still need to appeal to compassion and reason to make the world a better place for all of us.

Of course the hacking is probably the work of some lone gunman nuts who just want to be pricks. I don’t think it’s representative of the LGBT community as a whole (no true LGBT….///).

Yeah. Pretty much how I approach it too.

25 Tigger2  Apr 1, 2015 12:49:17pm

re: #14 Backwoods_Sleuth

good freaking grief…

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Maybe it’s from the Republicans out there being so full of shit that all the flushing to get rid of it is causing the water shortage.

26 Jack Burton  Apr 1, 2015 12:49:23pm

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

An Illegal Alien Magnet?

27 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 12:50:04pm

re: #21 Amory Blaine

Why do wingnuts have a lock on the Pizza business?

I know, it’s funny. Papa John is a wingnut. The founder of Dominos is too. Cain with Godfather’s.

28 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 12:50:07pm

US official: Secretary of State Kerry extends stay at Iran nuclear talks for another day as negotiations falter - @AP
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29 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 1, 2015 12:50:24pm

re: #14 Backwoods_Sleuth

good freaking grief…

Leave it to CCJ to get to the real heart of the water crisis….

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30 Amory Blaine  Apr 1, 2015 12:50:25pm

Makes me want to start grilling my own pizza.

31 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 1, 2015 12:51:21pm

re: #28 Justanotherhuman

To be fair a lot of CEOs of major corporations are wingnuts.

32 Kragar  Apr 1, 2015 12:51:36pm

re: #14 Backwoods_Sleuth

33 Charles Johnson  Apr 1, 2015 12:51:38pm
34 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 1, 2015 12:51:43pm

re: #27 HappyWarrior

I know, it’s funny. Papa John is a wingnut. The founder of Dominos is too. Cain with Godfather’s.

Then again, I don’t think Dominos and Papa Johns should be regarded as making real pizza.

Yes, I’m a NJ native and pizza-snob. It goes with the territory.

35 Targetpractice  Apr 1, 2015 12:51:56pm

re: #17 Feline Fearless Leader

Pretty much openly telling the rest of the world that the United States government is divided and weak. Which, of course, is what they keep proclaiming Obama is doing.

They used to scream bloody murder whenever Democrats made a public stink about disagreeing with Dubya. I’m not sure how many folks remember when Pelosi made a trip to Syria and met with Assad, the Right went batshit insane for a week. Even though she had a Republican member of the House in tow, and a Republican delegation had met with him earlier that week, they wanted her charged with violating the Logan Act, if not actually committing treason. And any that weren’t visibly frothing at the mouth were screaming that she’d undermined our entire effort in Syria by (what else) presenting the US gov’t as divided and weak rather than unified behind our “war-time president.”

36 makeitstop  Apr 1, 2015 12:52:27pm

The Modern GOP: The Sedition Party.

Fuckers.

37 Kragar  Apr 1, 2015 12:52:32pm

Mitch McConnell wants the world to know that you can’t trust the GOP.

38 Jack Burton  Apr 1, 2015 12:52:49pm

Aliens…

MAGNETS

39 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 12:53:05pm

re: #34 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Then again, I don’t think Dominos and Papa Johns should be regarded as making real pizza.

Yes, I’m a NJ native and pizza-snob. It goes with the territory.

There are worse things to be than a pizza snob.

40 makeitstop  Apr 1, 2015 12:53:30pm

re: #35 Targetpractice

They used to scream bloody murder whenever Democrats made a public stink about disagreeing with Dubya. I’m not sure how many folks remember when Pelosi made a trip to Syria and met with Assad, the Right went batshit insane for a week. Even though she had a Republican member of the House in tow, and a Republican delegation had met with him earlier that week, they wanted her charged with violating the Logan Act, if not actually committing treason. And any that weren’t visibly frothing at the mouth were screaming that she’d undermined our entire effort in Syria by (what else) presenting the US gov’t as divided and weak rather than unified behind our “war-time president.”

Don’t forget, she cleared that trip with Bush before she went.

41 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 12:54:37pm

re: #35 Targetpractice

They used to scream bloody murder whenever Democrats made a public stink about disagreeing with Dubya. I’m not sure how many folks remember when Pelosi made a trip to Syria and met with Assad, the Right went batshit insane for a week. Even though she had a Republican member of the House in tow, and a Republican delegation had met with him earlier that week, they wanted her charged with violating the Logan Act, if not actually committing treason. And any that weren’t visibly frothing at the mouth were screaming that she’d undermined our entire effort in Syria by (what else) presenting the US gov’t as divided and weak rather than unified behind our “war-time president.”

They’ve always been a bunch of double standarded freaks. I remember in the Clinton years that they said loudly “You can support the troops without supporting the president.” But yet yeah they acted like any disagerement with Bush was weakening the troops morale. It’s just another example of the moral bankruptcy of modern conservatism.

42 Targetpractice  Apr 1, 2015 12:54:53pm

Tonight’s Fox headline: “Obama Goes After Iran Critics,” with Megyn and Bill’O “just asking questions” about why this announcement came out the same day that negotiations in Geneva seemed to be faltering.

43 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 1, 2015 12:55:03pm

You just know there are California wingnuts who are going to run their hoses and showers even more now to stick it to Brown.

44 lawhawk  Apr 1, 2015 12:55:50pm
45 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2015 12:56:06pm

Somebody when back for seconds to get thumped with the stupid stick:

46 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 1, 2015 12:56:07pm

re: #42 Targetpractice

Tonight’s Fox headline: “Obama Goes After Iran Critics,” with Megyn and Bill’O “just asking questions” about why this announcement came out the same day that negotiations in Geneva seemed to be faltering.

Oh I think Faux will take a break from the Iran crisis for a few minutes to rejoice at the news of a Democrat being indicted.

47 Charles Johnson  Apr 1, 2015 12:56:48pm
48 Targetpractice  Apr 1, 2015 12:57:36pm

re: #46 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Oh I think Faux will take a break from the Iran crisis for a few minutes to rejoice at the news of a Democrat being indicted.

Nah, when the first rumors of coming indictments hit the waves a couple weeks ago, the almost immediate wingnut reaction was that Menendez was being targeted for his criticism of the Iran deal. That the White House was trying to “shut him up” by floating rumors of a federal indictment.

49 Jack Burton  Apr 1, 2015 12:58:10pm

re: #32 Kragar

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50 lawhawk  Apr 1, 2015 12:58:55pm

Developing:

51 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 12:58:58pm

Whoopee do. 80% of McDonalds are owned by franchisees.

More: McDonald’s to pay at least $1 per hour more than the local legal minimum wage for US employees starting July 1; move doesn’t apply to employees of franchisees - @WSJ

52 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 1, 2015 12:59:44pm

re: #48 Targetpractice

Nah, when the first rumors of coming indictments hit the waves a couple weeks ago, the almost immediate wingnut reaction was that Menendez was being targeted for his criticism of the Iran deal. That the White House was trying to “shut him up” by floating rumors of a federal indictment.

“I’m not saying it’s a conspiracy but….”

53 Kryptik  Apr 1, 2015 1:00:45pm

re: #17 Feline Fearless Leader

Pretty much openly telling the rest of the world that the United States government is divided and weak. Which, of course, is what they keep proclaiming Obama is doing.

It isn’t just saying that ‘the US Gov’t is Divided And Weak’. It’s saying that nothing we do should be taken of any consequence or seriousness precisely because of the way gov’t in general (not just ours but any small-d democratic government) works. They’re trying to say that the very fact that our leaders change should mean that any international action we take is meaningless since it’s temporary, therefore ignore it all.

What they’re doing is literally the opposite of governance. They’re cynically undermining the very idea of our government so they can score brownie points with their base, long as it pokes Obama in the idea. Who cares if it fucks up our authority in the world or makes it impossible to act on the international stage, long as everyone gets to stick it to the blah for daring to think he could be President.

54 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 1, 2015 1:01:30pm

Today’s GOP and its supporters are just the price we pay for centuries of progress. In earlier eras they’d have all been killed by their own stupidity long before they were able to breed.

55 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2015 1:02:03pm

He’s on a roll:

56 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 1, 2015 1:03:33pm

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s on a roll:

Yeah but we could just cut wasteful gov spending by all the billions and water problems would take care of itself.

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57 Amory Blaine  Apr 1, 2015 1:04:02pm

I expect we’ll see a lot more of this. Any backlash received from the letter to Iran hasn’t slowed their roll.

58 Charles Johnson  Apr 1, 2015 1:04:41pm

re: #3 Dr. Matt

I don’t think that’s actually their website - they don’t seem to have an official site.

59 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 1:04:46pm

Department of Justice tells House Speaker John Boehner it will not seek criminal contempt charges against former IRS-Official Lois Lerner for refusing to testify before Congress in 2014 - statement
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60 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 1, 2015 1:04:58pm

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yeah. or we could make 39 million really long straws that reached all the way to the Great Lakes.

61 Targetpractice  Apr 1, 2015 1:05:23pm

re: #50 lawhawk

Developing:

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Oh goodie, Deepwater Horizon Part 2.

62 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 1, 2015 1:06:16pm

re: #59 Justanotherhuman

Department of Justice tells House Speaker John Boehner it will not seek criminal contempt charges against former IRS-Official Lois Lerner for refusing to testify before Congress in 2014 - statement
end of alert

OUTRAGE!!!! IRS SCANDAL!!!!!!1

63 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 1, 2015 1:07:21pm

re: #60 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Well, the government shouldn’t make them, but John Galt’s company might.

/

64 Jack Burton  Apr 1, 2015 1:07:38pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

I don’t think that’s actually their website - they don’t seem to have an official site.

The domain name was created and registered today. So it’s 100% BS.

$ jwhois memoriespizza.com
[Querying whois.verisign-grs.com]
[Redirected to whois.godaddy.com]
[Querying whois.godaddy.com]
[whois.godaddy.com]
Domain Name: memoriespizza.com
Registry Domain ID: 1915601806_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.godaddy.com
Registrar URL: godaddy.com
Update Date: 2015-04-01T16:14:18Z
Creation Date: 2015-04-01T16:14:18Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2016-04-01T16:14:18Z
Registrar: godaddy.com, LLC
Registrar IANA ID: 146
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse@godaddy.com
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.[no phone numbers allowed]

65 The Mountain That Blogs  Apr 1, 2015 1:08:20pm

re: #59 Justanotherhuman

Department of Justice tells House Speaker John Boehner it will not seek criminal contempt charges against former IRS-Official Lois Lerner for refusing to testify before Congress in 2014 - statement
end of alert

BAINER CAVING TO THE DEMOCRAT PARTY AGAIN

66 Kryptik  Apr 1, 2015 1:08:22pm

re: #57 Amory Blaine

I expect we’ll see a lot more of this. Any backlash received from the letter to Iran hasn’t slowed their roll.

If anything, the lack of real tangible consequences has simply emboldened them to try again and again until they finally get smacked in the face for good.

67 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 1, 2015 1:08:49pm

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s on a roll:

CCJ must have been a real hoot when his earlier incarnation attacked efforts to build the Erie Canal.

68 lawhawk  Apr 1, 2015 1:12:02pm

re: #67 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

It’s just a ditch. Why should government build a ditch? Let the market decide! /

69 Dr. Matt  Apr 1, 2015 1:15:31pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

re: #64 Jack Burton

Wow, they don’t have a website? What a high-quality establishment.

Oh well. Nonetheless, it is a funny prank.

70 Ian G.  Apr 1, 2015 1:17:27pm

re: #14 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, blaming it on climate change would get him excommunicated from the high church of the movement right. Can’t do that.

Also, McConnell is in a panic. His precious coal industry is doomed. Rather than fight this, he could look at, say, Pittsburgh as an example of a way to move forward. But of course, potential future businesses in biotech and science don’t line his campaign pockets. So it goes.

71 Kragar  Apr 1, 2015 1:17:41pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

I don’t think that’s actually their website - they don’t seem to have an official site.

Well, they do now.
/

It is April Fools and all that.

72 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2015 1:17:52pm

I suppose that the lack of ANY snowpack or ANY significant rainfall is just some hippy climate change argle bargle to Chuck.

73 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 1, 2015 1:18:05pm

re: #68 lawhawk

It’s just a ditch. Why should government build a ditch? Let the market decide! /

Lots of opposition to pro- railroad, canal and other “internal improvements” legislation previous to 1860.

Just sayin’.

74 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 1:18:19pm

re: #70 Ian G.

Well, blaming it on climate change would get him excommunicated from the high church of the movement right. Can’t do that.

Also, McConnell is in a panic. His precious coal industry is doomed. Rather than fight this, he could look at, say, Pittsburgh as an example of a way to move forward. But of course, potential future businesses in biotech and science don’t line his campaign pockets. So it goes.

Yeah Pittsburgh’ s revival is something worth looking at.

75 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 1:18:39pm

re: #73 Feline Fearless Leader

Lots of opposition to pro- railroad, canal and other “internal improvements” legislation previous to 1860.

Just sayin’.

Maysville Turnpike.

76 Slap  Apr 1, 2015 1:18:52pm

Apologies to Star Wars fans — but why is it that every time I see chiclet’s avatar I think of this:

Chiclet!!!
77 Romantic Heretic  Apr 1, 2015 1:20:24pm

re: #27 HappyWarrior

I know, it’s funny. Papa John is a wingnut. The founder of Dominos is too. Cain with Godfather’s.

And a century ago Italians weren’t even allowed to live in the same neighbourhoods as the WASPs.

How times change.

78 Kryptik  Apr 1, 2015 1:20:50pm

re: #76 Slap

Ayun na maganda!

79 wrenchwench  Apr 1, 2015 1:20:50pm

re: #72 Backwoods_Sleuth

I suppose that the lack of ANY snowpack or ANY significant rainfall is just some hippy climate change argle bargle to Chuck.

A serious resident of Fresno should be in a panic. Not Chuck, though.

80 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 1, 2015 1:23:22pm

re: #20 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Yeah I can’t approve of this, the hacking that is. I think this crosses a line.

Yes, the business owner is acting dickish. And he should have better business sense than that, if nothing else. But he’s pretty small potatoes in the larger scheme of things. He’s not anywhere on the level of Tony Perkins, Bryan Fischer, etc.

The LGBT community and its allies still need to appeal to compassion and reason to make the world a better place for all of us.

Of course the hacking is probably the work of some lone gunman nuts who just want to be pricks. I don’t think it’s representative of the LGBT community as a whole (no true LGBT….///).

Sorry, but I would have happily joined in if I had the technical skills.

81 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2015 1:23:36pm
82 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 1:24:51pm

re: #77 Romantic Heretic

And a century ago Italians weren’t even allowed to live in the same neighbourhoods as the WASPs.

How times change.

Yep. That’s one of the frustrating parts of history. It’s always bugged me as an American of Irish descent how the Irish were treated in Ireland and in the US only for many to later to have no problem with discrimination. against minorities.

83 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 1, 2015 1:25:21pm

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

We now need a video of Bobby Knight flipping a desk and yelling about how stupid, idiotic, and bigoted that law is. That would have an impact.
/ (sorta)

84 Charles Johnson  Apr 1, 2015 1:25:36pm
85 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 1:26:58pm

Can someone explain to me what a fifth cousin is to me? Would I be right in assuming that it means one shares great x5 grandparents. Just wondering. Finally did my ancestry.com DNA test and got the results.

86 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2015 1:28:54pm

re: #85 HappyWarrior

Can someone explain to me what a fifth cousin is to me? Would I be right in assuming that it means one shares great x5 grandparents. Just wondering. Finally did my ancestry.com DNA test and got the results.

en.wikipedia.org

87 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 1, 2015 1:29:47pm

Rod Dreher has just submitted one of his butthurt screeds to Time magazine for publication:

From a piece I have up today in time.com:

What is so alarming about the opposition’s moral panic over the law is its inability to accept that there could possibly be a legitimate religious defense of discrimination at all. To progressives, we are all Bull Connors.

I understand that most liberals view homosexuality as entirely analogous to race. Abrahamic religion does not see it that way. Sexual expression has moral meaning that race does not. You don’t have to agree with Orthodox Jews, Muslims, and traditional Christians, but this goes down to the foundational beliefs of our religions.

We may be wrong. But the Constitution gives us the right to be wrong. It is a right so precious it was guaranteed in the First Amendment, alongside free speech.

Religious liberty, like free speech, is not an absolute right, but it is at the core of what it means to be an American. And like free speech, it matters more when the religious expression is unpopular.

From earlier today:

But if you treat us as you were once treated, we are going to be a bone in your throat. We probably will not prevail — you have all the power now — and you, with your luxury politics of moralistic islanders, a worldview that does not see the world beyond your bubble of wealth and privilege, will get away with what you are trying to do: turning real people, complex people who are your neighbors, and who are just as messed up as you are, though in different ways, into pariahs.

Eat a big dick sandwich, Rod. You want to discriminate because you think your freely chosen and unprovable religion says so without suffering any consequence…

It doesn’t work that way.

By the way, we don’t need to turn people like you into pariahs. We can stand by and watch you do it to yourself easily enough.

88 calochortus  Apr 1, 2015 1:29:51pm

re: #72 Backwoods_Sleuth

I suppose that the lack of ANY snowpack or ANY significant rainfall is just some hippy climate change argle bargle to Chuck.

Having just returned from a week-long trip that involved driving down I-5 through Kern County, I can assure you that there are a bunch of farmers who think that if we just got rid of Democrats, the water would show up magically.

You’d think just looking at the practically bare Sierras would be a clue, but apparently not.

89 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 1:29:54pm

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

en.wikipedia.org

Thanks.

90 lawhawk  Apr 1, 2015 1:30:09pm

re: #85 HappyWarrior

If one person’s Great-great-great-great-grandparent is the other person’s Great-great-great-great-grandparent, that makes them 5th cousins.

91 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2015 1:30:31pm

re: #85 HappyWarrior

Fifth cousins would share great-great-great-great-grandparents (4x).

92 calochortus  Apr 1, 2015 1:31:19pm

re: #87 Aunty Entity Dragon

Rod Dreher has just submitted one of his butthurt screeds to Time magazine for publication:

From earlier today:

Eat a big dick sandwich, Rod. You want to discriminate because you think your freely chosen and unprovable religion says so without suffering any consequence…

It doesn’t work that way.

By the way, we don’t need to turn people like you into pariahs. We can stand by and watch you do it to yourself easily enough.

QFT

93 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 1:31:56pm

re: #87 Aunty Entity Dragon

WTFITS?

“Sexual expression has moral meaning that race does not.”

I don’t even know what that means…

94 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2015 1:31:57pm

re: #89 HappyWarrior

Thanks.

There’s a handy chart there that shows the different cousin permutations.

95 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 1:32:02pm

re: #90 lawhawk

If one person’s Great-great-great-great-grandparent is the other person’s Great-great-great-great-grandparent, that makes them 5th cousins.

re: #91 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fifth cousins would share great-great-great-great-grandparents (4x).

Think I get it now. Thanks.

96 ramex  Apr 1, 2015 1:32:12pm

Mitch McConnell just wants to watch the world burn… literally.

97 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 1:32:46pm

re: #93 Justanotherhuman

WTFITS?

“Sexual expression has moral meaning that race does not.”

I don’t even know what that means…

It;’s the excuse that they have the right to treat people like shit because orientation is different than race. Nevermind the fact that morals were used to justify racial discrimination.

98 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 1:33:03pm

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

There’s a handy chart there that shows the different cousin permutations.

Yep got it.

99 calochortus  Apr 1, 2015 1:33:28pm

re: #95 HappyWarrior

Think I get it now. Thanks.

And “once removed” or “twice removed” is generational. My first cousin’s son is my first cousin once removed.

100 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 1, 2015 1:33:38pm

re: #90 lawhawk

If one person’s Great-great-great-great-grandparent is the other person’s Great-great-great-great-grandparent, that makes them 5th cousins.

If that’s the first relatives they share in common.

101 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 1, 2015 1:33:41pm

re: #93 Justanotherhuman

WTFITS?

“Sexual expression has moral meaning that race does not.”

I don’t even know what that means…

It means that he retains to himself the right to go panty sniffing through your undies drawer and tell the world you are a slut and your sex life is bad for the community because tradition.

102 Charles Johnson  Apr 1, 2015 1:33:53pm

re: #93 Justanotherhuman

WTFITS?

“Sexual expression has moral meaning that race does not.”

I don’t even know what that means…

It means you’re dealing with a religious fanatic.

103 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 1:34:15pm

You know, I’d have some understanding about them being upset at being called bigots only the thing is they act like bigots and repeatedly liken gays to demons or if your name is Bryan Fischer or Scott Lively, the Nazis. So fundies, you stop putting down LGBT people and I’ll stop referring to your brand of religion as bigoted.

104 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 1:35:03pm

re: #99 calochortus

And “once removed” or “twice removed” is generational. My first cousin’s son is my first cousin once removed.

Got it. Clarifies some confusion up since I’ve wrongly have been referring to my first cousins once removed as second cousins for years.

105 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 1:35:19pm

re: #101 Aunty Entity Dragon

Yeah, exactly. It was really a rhetorical question, because Dreher and his lot.

106 Uraniabce  Apr 1, 2015 1:36:08pm

Okay, maybe it’s because I’m not American, but isn’t this treason? Isn’t this illegal? I’m really asking because I’m confused.

107 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 1, 2015 1:36:52pm

re: #87 Aunty Entity Dragon

What is so alarming about the opposition’s moral panic over the law is its inability to accept that there could possibly be a legitimate religious defense of discrimination at all.

Well, we can’t accept a legitimate religious defense of discrimination that hasn’t been offered.

Sidenote: It is interesting that Dreher refers to the opposition’s “moral panic” over the law. He grants gay rights advocates a moral standing that the Bryan Fischers and Tony Perkins don’t (they just think gays and their allies are demons).

108 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 1, 2015 1:36:53pm

re: #104 HappyWarrior

Got it. Clarifies some confusion up since I’ve wrongly have been referring to my first cousins once removed as second cousins for years.

I don’t think that is too uncommon. I’ve gotten into a debate about just that distinction with friends more than once.

109 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 1, 2015 1:37:49pm

re: #105 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, exactly. It was really a rhetorical question, because Dreher and his lot.

I’m sort of amazed he is actually putting his insanity out at time.com to get slapped down. His crunchy con schtick has gone well past the sell-by date.

I’m sure he wll be complaining about it later at TAC how mean the ghey mafia is in the comment section that he cannot police at Time.

110 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 1, 2015 1:38:09pm

re: #87 Aunty Entity Dragon

But if you treat us as you were once treated, we are going to be a bone in your throat. We probably will not prevail — you have all the power now

Oh, c’mon, Rod. Come down off the cross.

111 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 1:38:46pm

re: #108 Feline Fearless Leader

I don’t think that is too uncommon. I’ve gotten into a debate about just that distinction with friends more than once.

Not at all. I’m really amazed with what I’ve been able to accomplish with this project. Found some information that could easily have been lost to history. Had no idea that my grandmother’s paternal grandmother was the daughter of French immigrants. We had thought that she was pure Irish.

112 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 1:38:59pm

re: #106 Uraniabce

Okay, maybe it’s because I’m not American, but isn’t this treason? Isn’t this illegal? I’m really asking because I’m confused.

That’s what I call it. Treason by any other name…

It’s starts from their unmitigated racism.

113 danarchy  Apr 1, 2015 1:39:40pm

re: #85 HappyWarrior

Can someone explain to me what a fifth cousin is to me? Would I be right in assuming that it means one shares great x5 grandparents. Just wondering. Finally did my ancestry.com DNA test and got the results.

Heh, several have answered seriously, but a little less seriously, it probably makes them a total freekin stranger is what it makes them ;)

114 calochortus  Apr 1, 2015 1:40:16pm

re: #104 HappyWarrior

Just stick with the generic “cousins” for the close ones and “some sort of cousins” for the rest. You’ll be fine.

115 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2015 1:40:29pm

re: #106 Uraniabce

Okay, maybe it’s because I’m not American, but isn’t this treason? Isn’t this illegal? I’m really asking because I’m confused.

Not treason as the term is defined, but definitely underhanded and sleezy.

116 Jack Burton  Apr 1, 2015 1:41:23pm

re: #106 Uraniabce

Okay, maybe it’s because I’m not American, but isn’t this treason? Isn’t this illegal? I’m really asking because I’m confused.

There is a specific legal definition of treason in US Law, and this does not remotely meet that.

The letter to Iran didn’t either, and this is even less so.

It’s not treason to be a monumental asshole or a complete dumbass in Congress.

Worthy of official censure? Possibly.

Fodder for negative campaign ads when they run for re-election? Definitely.

117 makeitstop  Apr 1, 2015 1:41:26pm

re: #106 Uraniabce

Okay, maybe it’s because I’m not American, but isn’t this treason? Isn’t this illegal? I’m really asking because I’m confused.

Actually closer to sedition.

And also Un-American.

118 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 1, 2015 1:42:31pm

re: #110 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Oh, c’mon, Rod. Come down off the cross.

One of the things I noticed when I was still in the conservative Christian community was the obsession with being persecuted. When I was still in the teen youth group, we actually had a simulation of the US turning into some sort of dystopic communist nighmare where we met secretly at a house in Mentone (between Redlands, Highland and Yucaipa in southern California). Our meeting was raided by law enforcement who arrested our youth pastor and all of us (the LE were all church members who put their uniforms).

Freaking unreal, but conservative Christians eat this paranoia thing up like candy.

119 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 1:42:37pm

Cop in Uber Tirade Video Placed on Modified Duty, Blasted by Bratton for “Unacceptable” Behavior

nbcnewyork.com

Jesushchristonabiscuit, you have to watch the video.

120 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 1:42:52pm

If they want to believe being gay is a sin, that’s fine. I find that bigoted but I can’t stop them form believing that but if they are going to be operating a business in the public sphere whether that be making pizzas, baking cakes, or arranging flowers. They can not deny someone a service because of their sexual orientation. Frankly, the whole thing is just pick and choose crap. Kevin O’Connor, the pizzeria owner in question is a confirmed divorcee and the Bible isn’t too fond of divorces either. Yet I’m sure Mr. O’Connor would have no problem sending pies to a couple who among them had a divorcee. Frankly if the right is genuinely worried (I don’t believe they are since I think anti-Shariah stuff is a fear tactic to strum up hatred against Muslims) about Shariah Law, then they would oppose laws like this but they don’t. Can’t wait to see how they’ll react if a Muslim properitor denies someone service and I am not talking about the stupid hypothetical about a Muslim butcher being forced to provide bacon.

121 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 1, 2015 1:43:26pm

re: #111 HappyWarrior

Not at all. I’m really amazed with what I’ve been able to accomplish with this project. Found some information that could easily have been lost to history. Had no idea that my grandmother’s paternal grandmother was the daughter of French immigrants. We had thought that she was pure Irish.

Sounds like us finding out that a maternal family name was Anglicized German rather than Scottish.

Part of my paternal tree is easier to trace since 3-4 generations back a male on my paternal grandfather’s side and a male on my paternal grandmother’s side married sisters.

122 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 1, 2015 1:43:41pm

re: #118 Aunty Entity Dragon

Yeah, it’s pretty unbearable.

More or less the reason I can’t go back.

123 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 1:44:13pm

re: #114 calochortus

Just stick with the generic “cousins” for the close ones and “some sort of cousins” for the rest. You’ll be fine.

Cousin’s kids. It’s really kind of a little odd at times since a lot of these “kids” are my age. I only have one first cousin who I am older than.

124 GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 1, 2015 1:44:45pm

Time to troll Mitch’s Twitter.

125 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2015 1:45:00pm
126 A Cranky One  Apr 1, 2015 1:45:45pm

re: #76 Slap

Apologies to Star Wars fans — but why is it that every time I see chiclet’s avatar I think of this:

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SQUIRRELS!!!

127 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2015 1:45:48pm

re: #124 GlutenFreeJesus

Time to troll Mitch’s Twitter.

Mitch doesn’t have a twitter account.

128 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 1:46:05pm

re: #121 Feline Fearless Leader

Sounds like us finding out that a maternal family name was Anglicized German rather than Scottish.

Part of my paternal tree is easier to trace since 3-4 generations back a male on my paternal grandfather’s side and a male on my paternal grandmother’s side married sisters.

It’s always surprising what you find. Like with that French connection I brought up, I had thought that my grandmother’s family had been in the US since around the Civil War. Turns out that they got here during Washington’s presidency and that GGGMa’s brother was a War of 1812 vet.

129 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2015 1:47:09pm

Yay! Kentucky’s perennial idiot candidate is “running” for governor AGAIN!!!

130 EPR-radar  Apr 1, 2015 1:47:28pm

re: #118 Aunty Entity Dragon

One of the things I noticed when I was still in the conservative Christian community was the obsession with being persecuted. When I was still in the teen youth group, we actually had a simulation of the US turning into some sort of dystopic communist nighmare where we met secretly at a house in Mentone. Our meeting was raided by law enforcement who arrested our youth pastor and all of us (the LE were all church members who put their uniforms).

Freaking unreal, but conservative Christians eat this paranoia thing up like candy.

For the record, feeding this kind of persecution complex is a nice first step for recruitment of terrorist cadres in the future.

Should the US political balance tilt decisively against the GOP, or specifically against the theocratic part of the GOP base, some fraction of that base will no doubt turn violent.

131 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 1:47:42pm

re: #125 Backwoods_Sleuth

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See, this is why I don’t attack religion as a whole. There’s some truly awesome individuals within religion that don’t use it as an instrument of hatred. It may not be for me but I have loads of respect for people like Rabbi Silverstein who use their religion to preach love and not hate.

132 Dr Lizardo  Apr 1, 2015 1:49:40pm

re: #130 EPR-radar

For the record, feeding this kind of persecution complex is a nice first step for recruitment of terrorist cadres in the future.

Should the US political balance tilt decisively against the GOP, or specifically against the theocratic part of the GOP base, some fraction of that base will no doubt turn violent.

I’m surprised they haven’t already - but I suppose that’s because the tilt against them isn’t decisive enough yet.

133 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 1:49:52pm

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

Mitch doesn’t have a twitter account.

No, but he has a press account.

twitter.com

134 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2015 1:50:15pm

re: #133 Justanotherhuman

No, but he has a press account.

twitter.com

The press account is useless.

135 calochortus  Apr 1, 2015 1:50:31pm

re: #120 HappyWarrior

There seems to be the weird concept among some of these business owners that their flowers or cake somehow form a significant part of a religious ceremony. They “bond” with “their” couples, etc. That’s creepy unless it’s your favorite aunt agreeing to do your flowers.
We’re talking vendors here, not ministers or members of the wedding party.

I do get that a photographer who is creeped out by homosexuality might be permitted to politely decline unless the couple insisted, as he or she might not do the best job. This would be done with a sincere apology and a referral or two to someone who could do a better job.

136 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 1, 2015 1:50:54pm

re: #130 EPR-radar

For the record, feeding this kind of persecution complex is a nice first step for recruitment of terrorist cadres in the future.

Should the US political balance tilt decisively against the GOP, or specifically against the theocratic part of the GOP base, some fraction of that base will no doubt turn violent.

That has occured to me. It was an amazing anti-government black helicopter/Alex Jones moment, and I have never been able to forget it.

137 Charles Johnson  Apr 1, 2015 1:50:56pm
138 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 1:51:18pm

re: #132 Dr Lizardo

I’m surprised they haven’t already - but I suppose that’s because the tilt against them isn’t decisive enough yet.

What worries me is if the country does move to the left which I think it will as we grow more culturally diverse and the younger generation’s cultural liberalism becomes more prominent, I think there will be a big right wing reaction to it. It’s kind of like how the 1960’s created what we called the new right.

139 GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 1, 2015 1:51:26pm

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

I actually found that out a few days ago. Maybe he will have one soon. ;)

140 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 1, 2015 1:51:36pm

re: #128 HappyWarrior

It’s always surprising what you find. Like with that French connection I brought up, I had thought that my grandmother’s family had been in the US since around the Civil War. Turns out that they got here during Washington’s presidency and that GGGMa’s brother was a War of 1812 vet.

I need to take a closer look at the documentation my brother got a few years ago. I have a passing knowledge of my father’s side due to geneaology work done by one of my uncles thirty years ago. (Including a nice family tree.) But I am a lot less knowledgeable about my mother’s side.

141 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 1:51:45pm

re: #134 Backwoods_Sleuth

The press account is useless.

This one probably is, too.

twitter.com

142 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 1, 2015 1:52:01pm

re: #132 Dr Lizardo

I’m surprised they haven’t already - but I suppose that’s because the tilt against them isn’t decisive enough yet.

Right wing terror violence is up substantially, actually. VICE last week was saying we are overdue for a rightwing mass casualty event.

143 Dr Lizardo  Apr 1, 2015 1:53:53pm

re: #138 HappyWarrior

What worries me is if the country does move to the left which I think it will as we grow more culturally diverse and the younger generation’s cultural liberalism becomes more prominent, I think there will be a big right wing reaction to it. It’s kind of like how the 1960’s created what we called the new right.

Yeah, I can see the right wingers totally freaking out and - unfortunately - resorting to violence and terrorism in order to express their displeasure.

144 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 1:54:41pm

re: #140 Feline Fearless Leader

I need to take a closer look at the documentation my brother got a few years ago. I have a passing knowledge of my father’s side due to geneaology work done by one of my uncles thirty years ago. (Including a nice family tree.) But I am a lot less knowledgeable about my mother’s side.

My mom’s side. I’ve actually been surprisingly lucky due to their being tons of baptism records from the villages in Slovakia where her mom’s parents came from. The other thing that makes Slovak/Rusyn ancestors a little easy to find is that they use precise naming patterns. Oldest son named after father. Oldest daughter after mother. Etc. I really would love once I get some money saved up one day visit some of these places. I know for a fact I still have relations on my mom’s side since my great aunt was in contact with cousins over there.

145 Dr Lizardo  Apr 1, 2015 1:55:07pm

re: #142 Aunty Entity Dragon

Right wing terror violence is up substantially, actually. VICE last week was saying we are overdue for a rightwing mass casualty event.

I’ve said it before…….I’m genuinely surprised there hasn’t been another OKC-type bombing yet. The RWNJ’s have certainly worked themselves up into quite the frenzy.

146 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 1, 2015 1:55:24pm

We just need the liberal media announcement that due to an unknown alien effect gunpowder no longer works.
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147 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 1:55:24pm

re: #143 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, I can see the right wingers totally freaking out and - unfortunately - resorting to violence and terrorism in order to express their displeasure.

It’s kind of like while Europe is more culturally liberal than the US as a whole, its far right is a lot more powerful and violent than ours.

148 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 1:55:57pm

More: New Jersey Sen. Robert Menendez’s friend and campaign donor Dr. Salomon Melgen also indicted, Department of Justice says - @njdotcom

149 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 1, 2015 1:56:42pm

re: #145 Dr Lizardo

I’ve said it before…….I’m genuinely surprised there hasn’t been another OKC-type bombing yet. The RWNJ’s have certainly worked themselves up into quite the frenzy.

We almost had it last spring in Nevada. We were one trigger pull away from a mass casualty bloodbath and a probable long term guerilla war at that damned ranch.

150 Dr Lizardo  Apr 1, 2015 1:58:45pm

re: #149 Aunty Entity Dragon

We almost had it last spring in Nevada. We were one trigger pull away from a mass casualty bloodbath and a probable long term guerilla war at that damned ranch.

Hmm…..good point. All it would’ve taken is one itchy (or nervous) trigger finger and that would’ve been it.

151 Dr. Matt  Apr 1, 2015 2:00:34pm

re: #27 HappyWarrior

I know, it’s funny. Papa John is a wingnut. The founder of Dominos is too. Cain with Godfather’s.

Mr. Ilitch, owner of Little Caesars, isn’t a wingnut. He donates to Republicans, but he’s not a wingnut

152 Kragar  Apr 1, 2015 2:02:43pm

What do we call it when people are compelled to provide labor against their will? Involuntary labor, what do we call that, ladies and gentlemen? That is involuntary servitude, that is slavery, that is something that is forbidden by the Thirteenth Amendment”.

153 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 2:03:23pm

re: #151 Dr. Matt

Mr. Ilitch, owner of Little Caesars, isn’t a wingnut. He donates to Republicans, but he’s not a wingnut

I think he donates to both IIRC. Haven’t had LC in years.

154 allegro  Apr 1, 2015 2:03:28pm

re: #151 Dr. Matt

Mr. Ilitch, owner of Little Caesars, isn’t a wingnut. He donates to Republicans, but he’s not a wingnut

So he’s not a wingnut, he just helps to elect wingnuts with his $?

155 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 2:04:04pm

re: #152 Kragar

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What does that even mean? Bryan, for fuck sake man, quit being a drama queen and do your wife, children, and gay lover a favor and come out already. Sexual repression isn’t healthy.

156 Kragar  Apr 1, 2015 2:04:48pm

I was unaware that Christians in Indiana were being dragged from their homes and being forced to cater gay weddings without being paid to do so.

157 allegro  Apr 1, 2015 2:05:27pm

re: #155 HappyWarrior

What does that even mean? Bryan, for fuck sake man, quit being a drama queen and do your wife, children, and gay lover a favor and come out already. Sexual repression isn’t healthy.

I would be surprised if he had a gay lover. He seems like more of a wide stance kinda guy.

158 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 2:06:06pm

re: #157 allegro

I would be surprised if he had a gay lover. He seems like more of a wide stance kinda guy.

Heh maybe. In any case, the guy I think is deeply closeted.

159 Jack Burton  Apr 1, 2015 2:06:38pm

re: #152 Kragar

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Never mind that they are getting paid for their work, and that they went into that business on their own free will.

Oh but that’s different…

160 Kragar  Apr 1, 2015 2:07:42pm

re: #157 allegro

I would be surprised if he had a gay lover. He seems like more of a wide stance kinda guy.

Bryan Fischer is so deep in the closet his closest neighbor is Mr, Tumnus.

161 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 1, 2015 2:07:51pm

re: #152 Kragar

But the law isn’t about LGBT, doesn’t discriminate and that’s why we didn’t consult with those groups before passing it.

162 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2015 2:09:35pm

re: #157 allegro

I would be surprised if he had a gay lover. He seems like more of a wide stance kinda guy.

I would be surprised.
What self-respecting gay man would have him?

163 Kragar  Apr 1, 2015 2:11:13pm

re: #162 Backwoods_Sleuth

I would be surprised.
What self-respecting gay man would have him?

Bruce Heffernan

164 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 2:12:53pm

Oh, just fuck off, Upchuck, you grifting nobody.

Charles C. Johnson @ChuckCJohnson * Mar 23
If you like how we brought down #RollingStone’s rape hoax & #Menendez contribute at gotnews.com . All money goes to getting scalps

165 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2015 2:14:06pm

re: #164 Justanotherhuman

Oh, just fuck off, Upchuck, you grifting nobody.

Charles C. Johnson @ChuckCJohnson * Mar 23
If you like how we brought down #RollingStone’s rape hoax & #Menendez contribute at gotnews.com . All money goes to getting scalps

He’s on a binge right now retweeting everything Menendez/prostitute/Cuban related from almost a year ago.

166 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 2:14:39pm

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yeah, saw that.

167 Kragar  Apr 1, 2015 2:16:48pm

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

He just retweeted me, even though he blocked me.

168 lawhawk  Apr 1, 2015 2:17:36pm

And again…

169 Charles Johnson  Apr 1, 2015 2:17:45pm
170 Charles Johnson  Apr 1, 2015 2:17:56pm
171 Kragar  Apr 1, 2015 2:20:24pm
172 wrenchwench  Apr 1, 2015 2:21:36pm

re: #164 Justanotherhuman

Oh, just fuck off, Upchuck, you grifting nobody.

Charles C. Johnson @ChuckCJohnson * Mar 23
If you like how we brought down #RollingStone’s rape hoax & #Menendez contribute at gotnews.com . All money goes to getting scalps

“Getting scalps” is such an honorable thing for a white guy to aspire to.

/

173 Kragar  Apr 1, 2015 2:22:18pm
174 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 2:22:59pm

re: #171 Kragar

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I’m sure this is all Obama’s fault.

175 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 2:23:43pm
176 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 2:24:21pm
177 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 1, 2015 2:26:02pm

re: #172 wrenchwench

“Getting scalps” is such an honorable thing for a white guy to aspire to.

/

Well, without CCJ’s “reporting” the DOJ would not have had a case.
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178 Charles Johnson  Apr 1, 2015 2:27:49pm

Raving.

179 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 2:29:20pm

re: #178 Charles Johnson

Raving.

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Ed Sheeran.

180 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2015 2:29:33pm

re: #178 Charles Johnson

Raving.

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181 Targetpractice  Apr 1, 2015 2:30:34pm

re: #178 Charles Johnson

Raving.

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Gee, what’s David Spade doing these days?

182 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 2:30:39pm

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

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God what an insufferable douchebag. Dude is convinced that it was him that got Mendenez indicted. Uh no Chuck try the people who actually investigated him.

183 A Cranky One  Apr 1, 2015 2:30:54pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

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They were found in the Vatican kitchen, and had been used as soup pots!
Oh my. Used for everything from soup to notes…

184 sagehen  Apr 1, 2015 2:31:20pm

re: #138 HappyWarrior

What worries me is if the country does move to the left which I think it will as we grow more culturally diverse and the younger generation’s cultural liberalism becomes more prominent, I think there will be a big right wing reaction to it. It’s kind of like how the 1960’s created what we called the new right.

From Medicare to ending the draft was about 10 years. During that interval we also got Civil Rights Act, Voting Rights Act, EPA, OSHA, Affirmative Action, Title IX, Title X, Roe v. Wade, EEOC, desegregation of schools and country clubs, Fair Housing Act, opening relations with China… and a duly elected President being hounded into resignation for reasons that required a pardon.

It’s no wonder conservatives went apeshit. That’s a whole lotta change to take in, in a very short time.

Sadly, after that string of advances, the Left posted their “Mission Accomplished!” banner and went home. The Right said “okay, it’s halftime”, went into the locker room to rethink their strategy, and came back out onto the field. Where they were greeted by absolutely no opposition.

185 allegro  Apr 1, 2015 2:31:36pm

re: #178 Charles Johnson

Raving.

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I think Bozo has been a little short on gigs.

186 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2015 2:32:23pm

He’s insisting the prostitutes are real:

187 Kragar  Apr 1, 2015 2:33:07pm

re: #178 Charles Johnson

188 Varek Raith  Apr 1, 2015 2:33:11pm

Most delusional man on the internet!

189 Targetpractice  Apr 1, 2015 2:33:23pm

Well, there’s a reason there’s no statute of limitations for murder:

190 Lidane  Apr 1, 2015 2:33:28pm

Speaking of insane Republicans, this is NOT from The Onion:

I’m all for going after sex traffickers who enslave and harm women and children, but FFS.

191 Kragar  Apr 1, 2015 2:33:41pm

and blocked.

192 A Cranky One  Apr 1, 2015 2:33:44pm

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s insisting the prostitutes are real:

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They are in hiding along with the women Allen West harassed. ////

193 Kragar  Apr 1, 2015 2:35:04pm

last one that came in

Apparently because I think CCJ is full of shit, I can’t be a Marine.

194 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 1, 2015 2:35:04pm

re: #156 Kragar

I was unaware that Christians in Indiana were being dragged from their homes and being forced to cater gay weddings without being paid to do so.

Over at National Review we are already being called jackbooted thugs.

Because of course.

195 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 2:35:50pm

re: #184 sagehen

Yeah, I remember going around with hair on fire during the Carter years (and disco), yelling, WTF? WTF?

Everyone had disappeared, as if there was nothing left to do.

196 Kragar  Apr 1, 2015 2:37:11pm
197 Decatur Deb  Apr 1, 2015 2:37:58pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

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April 1.

198 A Cranky One  Apr 1, 2015 2:38:02pm

re: #194 Aunty Entity Dragon

Over at National Review we are already being called jackbooted thugs.

Because of course.

The longstanding conservative magazine The National Review is reportedly planning to become a non-profit organization.

“We’re a mission and a cause, not a profit-making business,” the magazine’s editor, Rich Lowry, told Politico on Tuesday.

Until now, the magazine had been a not-for-profit business since its founding in 1955.

In 2005, founder William F. Buckley told the New York Sun that, by that point, the National Review had lost $25 million over 50 years, around $500,000 a year.Talking Points Memo

199 allegro  Apr 1, 2015 2:39:30pm

re: #198 A Cranky One

The longstanding conservative magazine The National Review is reportedly planning to become a non-profit organization.

“We’re a mission and a cause, not a profit-making business,” the magazine’s editor, Rich Lowry, told Politico on Tuesday.

Until now, the magazine had been a not-for-profit business since its founding in 1955.

In 2005, founder William F. Buckley told the New York Sun that, by that point, the National Review had lost $25 million over 50 years, around $500,000 a year.Talking Points Memo

So people can send them money and use it as a tax deduction?

200 Decatur Deb  Apr 1, 2015 2:39:32pm

re: #193 Kragar

last one that came in

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Apparently because I think CCJ is full of shit, I can’t be a Marine.

Tweet something “Marine” to him.

201 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 2:40:18pm

re: #198 A Cranky One

They’ll rebrand themselves as an “educational and charitable” 501(c)(3).

202 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 1, 2015 2:40:25pm
203 Kragar  Apr 1, 2015 2:41:02pm

re: #200 Decatur Deb

Tweet something “Marine” to him.

Nope. Blocked him and I’m done.

204 A Cranky One  Apr 1, 2015 2:42:13pm

re: #199 allegro

So people can send them money and use it as a tax deduction?

I think that is the idea. Just laughing that they never made a profit.

205 Decatur Deb  Apr 1, 2015 2:42:51pm

re: #204 A Cranky One

I think that is the idea. Just laughing that they never made a profit.

Yet they all seem well-fed.

206 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 2:42:57pm

re: #199 allegro

So people can send them money and use it as a tax deduction?

“On Tuesday, Lowry boasted to Politico of the magazine’s 150,000 subscribers and said that non-profit status would allow the magazine to do more fundraising and, significantly, to allow donors to give tax-deductible contributions.”

207 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 1, 2015 2:43:17pm

BBL. Had fun tweeking the wingnuts at National Review, but they got tiresome.

208 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 1, 2015 2:43:46pm

treating the ideas in the national review seriously is definitely an act of charity

209 Nyet  Apr 1, 2015 2:46:33pm

re: #196 Kragar

Because patriotism! Support the troops!

210 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 2:47:00pm

Report: Sen. Robert Menendez, D-NJ, to step down as ranking member of Foreign Relations Committee following indictment on corruption charges, source tells @nationaljournal
read more on nationaljournal.com

211 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 1, 2015 2:47:12pm

‘Exploding Head Syndrome’ Surprisingly Common Among Young People

reality of it not as much fun as the headline…

212 Lidane  Apr 1, 2015 2:47:35pm
213 lawhawk  Apr 1, 2015 2:48:23pm

re: #199 allegro

Yup. That’s exactly the point.

214 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 2:49:28pm

So, let me get this straight: NR can’t raise any capital, so they’re going non-profit?

Correct me if this scenario sounds like a desperate cry for help in supporting assholes who couldn’t get a real job if they tried.

215 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 2:50:46pm

So funny that those who wouldn’t operate under any system but a “free market” one are going non-profit.

I suppose they’ve lost their faith?

216 Nyet  Apr 1, 2015 2:51:25pm

re: #93 Justanotherhuman

WTFITS?

“Sexual expression has moral meaning that race does not.”

I don’t even know what that means…

It means arbitrary double standards.

217 Lidane  Apr 1, 2015 2:51:29pm
218 retired cynic  Apr 1, 2015 2:51:32pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

What a hoot!

219 allegro  Apr 1, 2015 2:51:40pm

re: #214 Justanotherhuman

So, let me get this straight: NR can’t raise any capital, so they’re going non-profit?

Correct me if this scenario sounds like a desperate cry for help in supporting assholes who couldn’t get a real job if they tried.

Free market? No one will buy what they’re selling so they look to the government for support. Wut?

220 A Cranky One  Apr 1, 2015 2:51:49pm

re: #214 Justanotherhuman

So, let me get this straight: NR can’t raise any capital, so they’re going non-profit?

Correct me if this scenario sounds like a desperate cry for help in supporting assholes who couldn’t get a real job if they tried.

Yup. Wingnut welfare. From the supposed experts on the free market and capitalism. Grifters on parade!

221 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 2:52:08pm

re: #217 Lidane

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Good for him. He’s still an ass though.

222 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 2:52:49pm

re: #212 Lidane

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I hope he has to pay their legal fees, also.

223 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 2:52:53pm

NRO’s gotta grift. Good riddance.

224 Kragar  Apr 1, 2015 2:53:29pm

re: #209 Nyet

Because patriotism! Support the troops!

225 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2015 2:53:36pm
226 TedStriker  Apr 1, 2015 2:54:07pm

re: #97 HappyWarrior

It;’s the excuse that they have the right to treat people like shit because orientation is different than race. Nevermind the fact that morals were used to justify racial discrimination.

See: “Ham, Curse of”.

227 makeitstop  Apr 1, 2015 2:54:17pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

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Well played, NPR. Well played.

You had me for a second.

228 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 2:54:30pm

re: #224 Kragar

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What the fuck.

229 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 2:55:33pm

re: #224 Kragar

Even if you did (unlikely) they’d claim you ‘shopped it.

There’s no winning with totally ignorant jackasses.

230 Nyet  Apr 1, 2015 2:55:43pm

re: #224 Kragar

“Hey, but serious person Vox Day posted a private photo of his wife to satisfy some trolls in his mentions, why can’t you?!?!!?”

231 Charles Johnson  Apr 1, 2015 2:56:42pm
232 Kragar  Apr 1, 2015 2:57:52pm

re: #228 HappyWarrior

What the fuck.

233 Decatur Deb  Apr 1, 2015 3:02:57pm

re: #232 Kragar

Let’s face it, who the hell would falsely admit to being a Marine.?

234 Decatur Deb  Apr 1, 2015 3:03:25pm

BBL

235 Nyet  Apr 1, 2015 3:03:27pm

- Thank you for your service Marine! Wait, what did you say? You’re a liberal? You are not a Marine. Show me your birth certificate, you dirty illegal immigrant.

236 Kragar  Apr 1, 2015 3:05:44pm

re: #235 Nyet

- Thank you for your service Marine! Wait, what did you say? You’re a liberal? You are not a Marine. Show me your birth certificate, you dirty illegal immigrant.

Get that 2-3 times a month, at a minimum.

Always from conservatives.

237 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 3:06:03pm

Chuck C Johnson and his Alter Ego

238 Nyet  Apr 1, 2015 3:07:12pm

re: #237 Justanotherhuman

Chuck and his Doody?

239 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 1, 2015 3:07:14pm

The voice pack add-on enables Xxxx XXX to inform you in a female voice of the following events: connection, disconnection, completed transfer and transfer failure.

no comment

240 calochortus  Apr 1, 2015 3:10:37pm

re: #190 Lidane

Speaking of insane Republicans, this is NOT from The Onion:

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I’m all for going after sex traffickers who enslave and harm women and children, but FFS.

Ummm, wouldn’t you have to castrate the customers?

241 Kragar  Apr 1, 2015 3:13:11pm
242 Decatur Deb  Apr 1, 2015 3:13:32pm

re: #240 calochortus

Ummm, wouldn’t you have to castrate the customers?

Never heard of a case of castrating pimps, but we have a definite precedent for sterilizing idiots. Perhaps she should just let it go.

243 TedStriker  Apr 1, 2015 3:16:00pm

re: #153 HappyWarrior

I think he donates to both IIRC. Haven’t had LC in years.

The Deep!Deep! Dish and Italian Cheese Bread is pretty good, as is the Crazy Bread (as always).

244 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 3:17:55pm

re: #242 Decatur Deb

Never heard of a case of castrating pimps, but we have a definite precedent for sterilizing idiots. Perhaps she should just let it go.

I keep telling you, she’s not a natural blonde and all that bleach has affected her brain.

245 blueraven  Apr 1, 2015 3:18:20pm
246 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 1, 2015 3:18:47pm

re: #240 calochortus

Ummm, wouldn’t you have to castrate the customers?

Like eunuchs couldn’t serve as pimps. Hell, in some cultures that’s what they did.

247 Kragar  Apr 1, 2015 3:21:11pm

re: #243 TedStriker

The Deep!Deep! Dish and Italian Cheese Bread is pretty good, as is the Crazy Bread (as always).

I tried to order Papa John’s once, years and years ago.

“What’s your address?”
I give it.
“You’re not in our service area.”
“I’m literally looking out my window and can see your sign. I’ve watched your cars deliver pizza to this apartment complex.”
“You’re not in our service area.”

And that was the last time I wasted my time with Papa Johns.

248 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 3:21:31pm

Memories Pizza in Walkerton, Ind., which said it supports the religious freedom bill and would decline to cater a same-sex wedding, did not appear to be open today, @NBCNews reports
read more on theverge.com

249 TedStriker  Apr 1, 2015 3:21:36pm

re: #193 Kragar

last one that came in

Apparently because I think CCJ is full of shit, I can’t be a Marine.

No True Marine?

250 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 3:23:11pm

Give it up, Chaffetz, and quit acting like we don’t know what you’re doing.

House Oversight Committee Chair Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, on Justice Department’s decision to not prosecute Lois Lerner: ‘Today’s announcement is disappointing and exhibits a disregard for the rule of law. … The Committee will continue to pursue its ongoing investigation into the targeting of American citizens based on their political beliefs. Our goal is to ensure that the people responsible, including Lois Lerner, are held accountable’
end of alert

251 Charles Johnson  Apr 1, 2015 3:23:29pm

Sure they are.

252 goddamnedfrank  Apr 1, 2015 3:24:04pm
253 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 3:24:42pm

re: #251 Charles Johnson

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Sure they are.

So now we get the “death threats” excuse.

Fools, please.

254 De Kolta Chair  Apr 1, 2015 3:25:17pm
And so it was.
255 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 3:27:00pm

So, does this mean Upchuck will start farming?

He’d starve to death in that venture without his wife’s money, too.

California order to cut water use does not apply to farmers, state says - @Reuters
read more on yahoo.com

256 Maddies Mom  Apr 1, 2015 3:28:10pm

re: #20 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Yeah I can’t approve of this, the hacking that is. I think this crosses a line.

Yes, the business owner is acting dickish. And he should have better business sense than that, if nothing else. But he’s pretty small potatoes in the larger scheme of things. He’s not anywhere on the level of Tony Perkins, Bryan Fischer, etc.

The LGBT community and its allies still need to appeal to compassion and reason to make the world a better place for all of us.

Of course the hacking is probably the work of some lone gunman nuts who just want to be pricks. I don’t think it’s representative of the LGBT community as a whole (no true LGBT….///).

Says ‘no servers were hacked, shoulda bought your domain name’

257 TedStriker  Apr 1, 2015 3:28:40pm

re: #196 Kragar

Modern American “conservatives”: Supporting the troops, up until they’re either politically opposed to you or are otherwise too “inconvenient”.

258 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 3:29:19pm

re: #256 Maddies Mom

I doubt they know what a domain name is.

I doubt they know how to operate a computer even.

259 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 3:30:26pm

This is some serious shit, people.

260 goddamnedfrank  Apr 1, 2015 3:30:32pm
261 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 1, 2015 3:31:03pm

re: #255 Justanotherhuman

So, does this mean Upchuck will start farming?

He’d starve to death in that venture without his wife’s money, too.

California order to cut water use does not apply to farmers, state says - @Reuters
read more on yahoo.com

Of course it wouldn’t apply to the biggest wasters of water. My surprised face, etc.

262 Kragar  Apr 1, 2015 3:32:24pm

re: #255 Justanotherhuman

So, does this mean Upchuck will start farming?

He’d starve to death in that venture without his wife’s money, too.

California order to cut water use does not apply to farmers, state says - @Reuters
read more on yahoo.com

AKA 90% of the water use in the state

263 calochortus  Apr 1, 2015 3:33:04pm

re: #255 Justanotherhuman

So, does this mean Upchuck will start farming?

He’d starve to death in that venture without his wife’s money, too.

California order to cut water use does not apply to farmers, state says - @Reuters
read more on yahoo.com

So, the idiots with the huge sprinklers running in their fields despite high winds in the Salinas Valley yesterday are fine?

264 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 3:34:35pm

re: #261 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Of course it wouldn’t apply to the biggest wasters of water. My surprised face, etc.

It’s bidness and everyone uses CA produce.

OTOH, you can go 2, 3 days without a shower if you pour on the Old Spice and hold your nose.

265 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 3:36:08pm

re: #263 calochortus

So, the idiots with the huge sprinklers running in their fields despite high winds in the Salinas Valley yesterday are fine?

Run, run, into the wind! ////

266 goddamnedfrank  Apr 1, 2015 3:36:20pm
267 calochortus  Apr 1, 2015 3:36:37pm

re: #264 Justanotherhuman

It’s bidness and everyone uses CA produce.

OTOH, you can go 2, 3 days without a shower if you pour on the Old Spice and hold your nose.

They’ve been begging us to save water for 3 years. What do you want to bet those of us who have tried to conserve will face the same percentage cut back as those who’ve been watering their green, green lawns the whole time?

268 thedopefishlives  Apr 1, 2015 3:36:38pm

Evening Lizardim from the blustery, warm wild north country. So I see that the GOP is continuing on with their predetermined plan of headbutting that brick wall into submission. I wish them the best of luck and all the brain damage in the world in the course of their endeavor. How go things among the lizardfolk?

269 Nyet  Apr 1, 2015 3:38:42pm

oh…kay

270 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 3:38:54pm

re: #267 calochortus

They’ve been begging us to save water for 3 years. What do you want to bet those of us who have tried to conserve will face the same percentage cut back as those who’ve been watering their green, green lawns the whole time?

Of course. Same thing has happened in the past with gas shortages. And I’ve always driven a 4 sp manual while others I knew drove gas hogs.

271 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2015 3:40:58pm

The voices in his head are talking to him again:

272 Kragar  Apr 1, 2015 3:41:36pm
273 Timothy Watson  Apr 1, 2015 3:41:47pm

re: #231 Charles Johnson

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He’s still bragging about being a communist’s (Cuba’s intelligence service) useful idiot?

274 Kragar  Apr 1, 2015 3:43:34pm

re: #271 Backwoods_Sleuth

275 TedStriker  Apr 1, 2015 3:44:25pm

re: #251 Charles Johnson

Sure they are.

Didn’t they have an 18% rating on UrbanSpoon before US pulled the plug on thei listing after this bruhaha got started?

Sounds to me like they sucked at business before this and happened upon a perfect time to cash in their “True Christian” martyr chips, so they can get some sweet, sweet wingnut welfare.

276 Dark_Falcon  Apr 1, 2015 3:44:58pm

re: #7 Targetpractice

I cannot, for the life of me, remember a time when Republicans got this brazen about undermining the sitting president, and that goes for either party. And I’ll qualify that to say that yes, past presidents have had major initiatives bogged down or killed by the opposition party. But I cannot think of any time when an opposition party has told world leaders that Congress will take actions to prevent a president from doing something on the world stage.

Well, the president had previously come right out and said he wanted to get an agreement without Congress and then use international opinion to make it politically impossible to back out of.

This action by Mitch McConnell is a fairly logical counter to that. It lets anyone looking for on US participation know that they can’t count on it and in that may spike an agreement before it takes shape.

Nasty tactic, but likely effective.

277 Thanos  Apr 1, 2015 3:45:44pm

Interesting article here, in the last few paras you see Mark Rushdoony explaining modern Paleolibertarianism, and how it came to be associated with fundamentalism in spite of the massive cognitive dissonance between Theonomy / Reconstructionism and actual Objectivism based libertarianism.

christianpost.com

278 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2015 3:45:51pm

re: #276 Dark_Falcon

Well, the president had previously come right out and said he wanted to get an agreement without Congress and then use international opinion to make it politically impossible to back out of.

This action by Mitch McConnell is a fairly logical counter to that. It lets anyone looking for on US participation know that they can’t count on it and in that may spike an agreement before it takes shape.

Nasty tactic, but likely effective.

It’s total bullshit.

279 thedopefishlives  Apr 1, 2015 3:46:46pm

Hold the phone a second. Is our dear little friend Chuck C. Johnson seriously taking credit for Bob Menendez? You have absolutely got to be joking. What an arrogant, self-righteous little prick.

280 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 3:47:53pm

Menendez is supposed to give a presser at 7 pm.

I’ll post if MSNBC carries it.

281 Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 1, 2015 3:48:07pm

re: #279 thedopefishlives

Hold the phone a second. Is our dear little friend Chuck C. Johnson seriously taking credit for Bob Menendez? You have absolutely got to be joking. What an arrogant, self-righteous little prick.

What, in all of Chuckie’s previous actions, would prompt you to question the idea that he would take credit for something totally unrelated to his ‘work’?

282 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 1, 2015 3:48:33pm

so it seems ad people talk like this

“Technology is moving so quickly that I do worry about bringing all that production and making inside the agency versus go more back to the production model from film, where you understand the creative, the thinking and the idea that you want to make but you go out there and find the best idea makers,” said Credle, the shop’s chief creative officer for North America. “How much can we actually afford to build in-house and not only afford financially but afford because it changes so rapidly?”

make me an idea

283 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 3:49:04pm

Pres Obama is paying the RWNJs no attention at all and is keeping calm and carrying on.

President Obama spoke with Nigerian President Goodluck Jonathan and President-Elect Muhammadu Buhari in separate calls Wednesday, encouraging 2 to work together to unify country - @WhiteHouse
end of alert

284 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 3:50:00pm

re: #282 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Took lessons on speech from Sarah Palin?

285 blueraven  Apr 1, 2015 3:50:20pm

re: #276 Dark_Falcon

Well, the president had previously come right out and said he wanted to get an agreement without Congress and then use international opinion to make it politically impossible to back out of.

This action by Mitch McConnell is a fairly logical counter to that. It lets anyone looking for on US participation know that they can’t count on it and in that may spike an agreement before it takes shape.

Nasty tactic, but likely effective.

Stop it. Just stop.

286 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 3:52:09pm

re: #276 Dark_Falcon

Well, the president had previously come right out and said he wanted to get an agreement without Congress and then use international opinion to make it politically impossible to back out of.

This action by Mitch McConnell is a fairly logical counter to that. It lets anyone looking for on US participation know that they can’t count on it and in that may spike an agreement before it takes shape.

Nasty tactic, but likely effective.

Rah rah go team GOP right?

287 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 3:52:47pm

re: #278 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s total bullshit.

It all goes back to Mitch’s promise to make Obama a one term president.

288 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 1, 2015 3:53:41pm

re: #276 Dark_Falcon

Well, the president had previously come right out and said he wanted to get an agreement without Congress and then use international opinion to make it politically impossible to back out of.

oh, this worked so well for woodrow wilson, see

289 Kragar  Apr 1, 2015 3:53:44pm

re: #272 Kragar

290 CuriousLurker  Apr 1, 2015 3:54:34pm

I don’t know if anyone’s mentioned this yet, but it definitely displays how the American RWNJs & the radical Islamists are on the same wavelength. The fact that they speak the language of the extremists and are thereby assisting in spreading their propaganda seems totally lost on the Americans.

Added emphasis is mine::

Santorum: ISIS better journalism than New York Times?

The group singled out Santorum as a crusader, along with a little-known Virginia state senator Richard H. Black and former CIA officer Gary Bernsten, in an Islamic State magazine, quoting them verbatim in a feature called “In the Words of the Enemy.” […]

The group promotes Santorum for his warning that ISIS remains a serious threat that will continue to spread if the United State doesn’t act. […]

“They are not losing ground. They are not being discredited in the eyes of the Muslim world. They will get stronger,” it quotes Santorum saying. […]

Daesh & the others know full well who’s in agreement with them regarding a “holy war” needing to be fought.

The same is true for a couple of other “crusaders” they recently listed in their magazine, as indicated in another WaPo article:

As part of its glossy propaganda operation, ISIS often quotes Western officials voicing concern about the rise of the Islamic State, taking their words as something of a back-handed compliment, said J.M. Berger, co-author of “ISIS: The State of Terror.”

“Basically, they’re looking for opportunities to show how much fear they’re striking in the West,” Berger said. “Sometimes they’re not very discriminating about who they pick. The nuances of American politics can be lost on them.” […]

washingtonpost.com

The nuances of American politics aren’t lost on them—they understand exactly who they’re dealing with and they couldn’t be more delighted. Naturally, the wingnuts are also flattered. The article cotinues:

Black said he was surprised to learn that he turned up in the magazine, where he was billed as “The American Crusader.” But he took his inclusion as proof that he knows what he is talking about when it comes to ISIS.

“The quote that ISIS has selected for its magazine demonstrates that I’m right on point, that I understand their strategy clearly, and really, it shows that they agree with what I’ve said,” he said. “I don’t think that they would publish that quote if they disagreed with the content.”

Amazing that they can’t see how similar their thinking is. The only one who had the sense to keep quiet was CIA veteran & author Berntsen.

291 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 3:56:12pm

re: #290 CuriousLurker

I don’t know if anyone’s mentioned this yet, but it definitely displays how the American RWNJs & the radical Islamist RWNJs are on the same wavelength. The fact that they speak the language of the extremists and are thereby assisting in spreading their propaganda seems totally lost on the Americans.

Added emphasis is mine::

Daesh & the others know full well who’s in agreement with them regarding a “holy war” needing to be fought.

The same is true for a couple of other “crusaders” they recently listed in their magazine, as indicated in another WaPo article:

The nuances of American politics are lost on them—they understand exactly who they’re dealing with and they couldn’t be more delighted. Naturally the wingnuts are also flattered. The article cotinues:

Amazing that they can’t see how similar their thinking is. The only one who had the sense to keep quiet was CIA veteran & author Berntsen.

Santorum and the American right’s contempt for modernity is clear. They really do have a lot in common with the Islamists despite their claims otherwise. There really is no ideological difference between the two.

292 Kragar  Apr 1, 2015 3:56:20pm
293 Timothy Watson  Apr 1, 2015 3:56:35pm

re: #290 CuriousLurker

I don’t know if anyone’s mentioned this yet, but it definitely displays how the American RWNJs & the radical Islamist RWNJs are on the same wavelength. The fact that they speak the language of the extremists and are thereby assisting in spreading their propaganda seems totally lost on the Americans.

Added emphasis is mine::

Daesh & the others know full well who’s in agreement with them regarding a “holy war” needing to be fought.

The same is true for a couple of other “crusaders” they recently listed in their magazine, as indicated in another WaPo article:

The nuances of American politics are lost on them—they understand exactly who they’re dealing with and they couldn’t be more delighted. Naturally the wingnuts are also flattered. The article cotinues:

Amazing that they can’t see how similar their thinking is. The only one who had the sense to keep quiet was CIA veteran & author Berntsen.

No chance that’s an April’s Fool’s Day joke? Senator Dick Black is pretty obscure, except for some of us Virginia denizens.

294 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2015 3:56:56pm

re: #276 Dark_Falcon

Mitch McConnell doesn’t give a shit about the United States, the Commonwealth of Kentucky, or the rest of the world.
He doesn’t give a shit about how our environment is being destroyed.
He doesn’t give a shit about the American people.
He NEVER gave a shit about the Obama adminstration.
He takes every opportunity to wreck our country’s reputation on the world stage.

It’s not “effective politics”.

He and his wife been very happily bought and paid by the coal and oil industries.

I live in Kentucky and I know ALL of that is completely true, and don’t you doubt that for one second.

295 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 3:57:00pm

re: #292 Kragar

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That’s some fine pretzel logic there Brit. Did they teach you that at the Roger Ailes School of running racist campaigns?

296 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 3:57:44pm

re: #293 Timothy Watson

No chance that’s an April’s Fool’s Day joke? Senator Dick Black is pretty obscure, except for some of us Virginia denizens.

Shit I missed the Dick Black part. That lunatic is my state senator.

297 jamesfirecat  Apr 1, 2015 3:58:14pm

re: #276 Dark_Falcon

Well, the president had previously come right out and said he wanted to get an agreement without Congress and then use international opinion to make it politically impossible to back out of.

This action by Mitch McConnell is a fairly logical counter to that. It lets anyone looking for on US participation know that they can’t count on it and in that may spike an agreement before it takes shape.

Nasty tactic, but likely effective.

How would you feel if it was Harry Reid doing this to GWB?

Maybe by saying things like

“The president can says whatever he wants about Sadam but hthe U.S. will not send troops or aid of any kind to Iraq.”

Does that makes it more clear what a horrible things his it is makes America look like idiots one the global stage?

298 Dark_Falcon  Apr 1, 2015 3:58:16pm

re: #288 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

oh, this worked so well for woodrow wilson, see

It’s what Obama said. It is a little like Wilson, but it more ambiguous and I don’t like comparing Obama to Woodrow Wilson. Wilson had a nasty streak I don’t see in Obama.

299 Kragar  Apr 1, 2015 3:58:48pm

re: #295 HappyWarrior

That’s some fine pretzel logic there Brit. Did they teach you that at the Roger Ailes School of running racist campaigns?

A sign saying “Whites only” never mentions blacks or latinos.

300 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 3:59:33pm

re: #297 jamesfirecat

How would you feel if it was Harry Reid doing this to GWB?

Maybe by saying things like

“The president can says whatever he wants about Sadam but hthe U.S. will not send troops or aid of any kind to Iraq.”

Does that makes it more clear what a horrible things his it is makes America look like idiots one the global stage?

That would be different somehow because it wasn’t Team GOP doing it. Kind of like how all criticism of Bush was unpatriotic but it’s perfectly legitimate to question President Obama’s love of our country.

301 goddamnedfrank  Apr 1, 2015 4:00:13pm

re: #276 Dark_Falcon

Well, the president had previously come right out and said he wanted to get an agreement without Congress and then use international opinion to make it politically impossible to back out of.

This action by Mitch McConnell is a fairly logical counter to that. It lets anyone looking for on US participation know that they can’t count on it and in that may spike an agreement before it takes shape.

Nasty tactic, but likely effective.

While it’s true that the Lima Accord is toothless and only operates through international peer pressure, what McConnell did is not a logical counter to that. He just told the World that the United States is being deliberately hobbled by perpetually backwards, intentionally obtuse and willfully ignorant ideological primitives. Between this and the Iran letter any administration in the future, republican or democratic, is fucked trying to get cooperation on any meaningful agreement as the effects of climate change and ME destabilization continue to stack.

This is scorched earth apocalyptic political nihilism. You should really be ashamed of what your Party has become.

302 makeitstop  Apr 1, 2015 4:00:44pm

re: #276 Dark_Falcon

Well, the president had previously come right out and said he wanted to get an agreement without Congress and then use international opinion to make it politically impossible to back out of.

This action by Mitch McConnell is a fairly logical counter to that. It lets anyone looking for on US participation know that they can’t count on it and in that may spike an agreement before it takes shape.

Nasty tactic, but likely effective.

It’s fucking sedition, Dark. There’s simply no other word for it.

If a Dem leader attempted this with a GoTeam president, you’d be apoplectic.

303 blueraven  Apr 1, 2015 4:01:05pm

re: #298 Dark_Falcon

It’s what Obama said. It is a little like Wilson, but it more ambiguous and I don’t like comparing Obama to Woodrow Wilson. Wilson had a nasty streak I don’t see in Obama.

Why don’t you link to that for us?

304 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 4:01:33pm

Remember when Republicans on the Hill made any criticism of President Bush to be emboldening the terrorists. Funny how that goes out the window when there’s a Democrat in the WH huh. Really this shit js just typical of what he Republican Party has become, a party whose sole purpose is to fuck Barack Obama.

305 Dark_Falcon  Apr 1, 2015 4:02:17pm

re: #297 jamesfirecat

How would you feel if it was Harry Reid doing this to GWB?

Maybe by saying things like

“The president can says whatever he wants about Sadam but hthe U.S. will not send troops or aid of any kind to Iraq.”

Does that makes it more clear what a horrible things his it is makes America look like idiots one the global stage?

Reid didn’t have the support to do that, so he didn’t try. Troop deployments and treaties are different things.

306 CuriousLurker  Apr 1, 2015 4:02:43pm

re: #293 Timothy Watson

No chance that’s an April’s Fool’s Day joke? Senator Dick Black is pretty obscure, except for some of us Virginia denizens.

I don’t think so. There were two articles, and while the first one was kind of snarky, it specifically stated that the piece wasn’t an April Fool’s joke.

307 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2015 4:03:18pm

re: #305 Dark_Falcon

Reid didn’t have the support to do that, so he didn’t try. Troop deployments and treaties are different things.

good freaking grief…

308 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 4:04:24pm

re: #306 CuriousLurker

I don’t think so. There were two articles, and while the first one was kind of snarky, it specifically stated that the piece wasn’t an April Fool’s joke.

It’s definitely legit. I remember Black sending the letter to Al-Assad.

309 EPR-radar  Apr 1, 2015 4:05:34pm

re: #301 goddamnedfrank

While it’s true that the Lima Accord is toothless and only operates through international peer pressure, what McConnell did is not a logical counter to that. He just told the World that the United States is being deliberately hobbled by perpetually backwards, intentionally obtuse and willfully ignorant ideological primitives. Between this and the Iran letter any administration in the future, republican or democratic, is fucked trying to get cooperation on any meaningful agreement as the effects of climate change and ME destabilization continue to stack.

This is scorched earth apocalyptic political nihilism. You should really be ashamed of what your Party has become.

It really is too funny that I picked up a down ding the other day from DF for the simple observation that the GOP must be included in any short list of major threats to world peace.

When out of power (or sharing power), the GOP is a nihilistic death cult. Why would anyone expect that to change if they do get full control of the Federal government again?

310 Targetpractice  Apr 1, 2015 4:05:49pm

re: #276 Dark_Falcon

Well, the president had previously come right out and said he wanted to get an agreement without Congress and then use international opinion to make it politically impossible to back out of.

This action by Mitch McConnell is a fairly logical counter to that. It lets anyone looking for on US participation know that they can’t count on it and in that may spike an agreement before it takes shape.

Nasty tactic, but likely effective.

Is this really the way you want to go forward? Do you want a Republican president to have to worry that any foreign agreement he enters into has the full support of Congressional Democrats, else they will take steps to kill that agreement? Do you feel that the best way forward is to send a message to the rest of the world that agreements with the US cannot be trusted to last past the next presidential election?

311 makeitstop  Apr 1, 2015 4:06:43pm

re: #305 Dark_Falcon

Reid didn’t have the support to do that, so he didn’t try. Troop deployments and treaties are different things.

Reid has too much respect for the institution he serves in to pull seditious bullshit like this.

A damn sight more respect than McConnell’s got. The man is systematically destroying US foreign relations. And he’s doing it intentionally.

Reid, for all his faults, would never, ever be that slimy.

312 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 4:07:20pm

re: #309 EPR-radar

It really is too funny that I picked up a down ding the other day from DF for the simple observation that the GOP must be included in any short list of major threats to world peace.

When out of power (or sharing power), the GOP is a nihilistic death cult. Why would anyone expect that to change if they do get full control of the Federal government again?

My question is why should we expect to suddenly start acting like rational adults if the American people are foolish enough to give them another shot running the Oval House? Because they’ve acted so rationally and maturely once we gave them Congress, our state legislatures, and our state governor mansions.

313 Dark_Falcon  Apr 1, 2015 4:08:02pm

re: #310 Targetpractice

Is this really the way you want to go forward? Do you want a Republican president to have to worry that any foreign agreement he enters into has the full support of Congressional Democrats, else they will take steps to kill that agreement? Do you feel that the best way forward is to send a message to the rest of the world that agreements with the US cannot be trusted to last past the next presidential election?

I’ll accept that over the current super-charged presidency. If restoring a proper balance between Congress and the Presidency means crippling America’s ability to make binding international agreements, then that is a cost I’m prepared to accept.

314 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 4:08:08pm

re: #305 Dark_Falcon

And BTW, the 5+1 deal is NOT NOT NOT a treaty, in spite of how the RW wants to frame it.

And no, I don’t apologize for shouting.

315 jamesfirecat  Apr 1, 2015 4:08:46pm

re: #305 Dark_Falcon

Reid didn’t have the support to do that, so he didn’t try. Troop deployments and treaties are different things.

DF if you insist on missing the point that badly you should just get your boombox stand outside its window and let it known how much you really care.

316 makeitstop  Apr 1, 2015 4:08:53pm

re: #313 Dark_Falcon

I’ll accept that over thew current super-charged presidency. If restoring a proper balance between Congress and the Presidency means crippling America’s ability to make binding international agreements, then that is a cost I’m prepared to accept.

Fuck. That.

Shame on you. Shame.

317 Targetpractice  Apr 1, 2015 4:09:53pm

re: #313 Dark_Falcon

I’ll accept that over the current super-charged presidency. If restoring a proper balance between Congress and the Presidency means crippling America’s ability to make binding international agreements, then that is a cost I’m prepared to accept.

“Proper balance”? Foreign policy is the purview of the Executive Branch for a reason, Dark.

318 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2015 4:09:55pm

re: #313 Dark_Falcon

I’ll accept that over the current super-charged presidency. If restoring a proper balance between Congress and the Presidency means crippling America’s ability to make binding international agreements, then that is a cost I’m prepared to accept.

Maybe you are, but I am NOT willing to accept that nightmare scenario.

319 goddamnedfrank  Apr 1, 2015 4:10:04pm

re: #298 Dark_Falcon

It’s what Obama said.

Care to point out where?

But let me be honest. None of this is without controversy. In each of our countries, there are interests that will be resistant to action. And in each country, there is a suspicion that if we act and other countries don’t that we will be at an economic disadvantage. But we have to lead. That is what the United Nations and this General Assembly is about.

Sorry, but that’s a long way off from your assertion that:

Well, the president had previously come right out and said he wanted to get an agreement without Congress and then use international opinion to make it politically impossible to back out of.

320 EPR-radar  Apr 1, 2015 4:10:29pm

re: #313 Dark_Falcon

I’ll accept that over the current super-charged presidency. If restoring a proper balance between Congress and the Presidency means crippling America’s ability to make binding international agreements, then that is a cost I’m prepared to accept.

I really can’t imagine you saying this if a Republican were president.

321 darthstar  Apr 1, 2015 4:11:13pm

re: #276 Dark_Falcon

Well, the president had previously come right out and said he wanted to get an agreement without Congress and then use international opinion to make it politically impossible to back out of.

This action by Mitch McConnell is a fairly logical counter to that. It lets anyone looking for on US participation know that they can’t count on it and in that may spike an agreement before it takes shape.

Nasty tactic, but likely effective.

Some of us Americans like the US being a trusted nation that can be counted on. Fuck you for minimizing the standing of our country because your bigoted heroes are trying to stick it to the president.

322 jamesfirecat  Apr 1, 2015 4:11:13pm

re: #313 Dark_Falcon

I’ll accept that over the current super-charged presidency. If restoring a proper balance between Congress and the Presidency means crippling America’s ability to make binding international agreements, then that is a cost I’m prepared to accept.

When did you start feeling the presidency had become Super Charged Powers wise… What made you come to that realization… I’ll wait…

323 darthstar  Apr 1, 2015 4:12:57pm

re: #313 Dark_Falcon

I’ll accept that over the current super-charged presidency. If restoring a proper balance between Congress and the Presidency means crippling America’s ability to make binding international agreements, then that is a cost I’m prepared to accept.

It’s not super-charged…we just have a black president. But go ahead and cheer for the long-term demise of our country to satisfy your hatred of one man.

324 Dark_Falcon  Apr 1, 2015 4:13:59pm

re: #320 EPR-radar

I really can’t imagine you saying this if a Republican were president.

I wouldn’t have come to the realization, but I will keep it now that I have it regardless of who is president.

325 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2015 4:14:03pm

On a lighter note (we need one now, yes?) the indoor kittehs have just had their very first introduction to catnip.

Riotous activity ensues.

326 darthstar  Apr 1, 2015 4:14:09pm

re: #322 jamesfirecat

When did you start feeling the presidency had become Super Charged Powers wise… What made you come to that realization…l I’ll wait…

It’s like his inner Chuck Johnson is doing the posting for him. I’m surprised he hasn’t referred to the POTUS as an ‘uppity boy’ yet.

327 thedopefishlives  Apr 1, 2015 4:14:14pm

Exactly what powers does the sitting President wield that are not Constitutionally granted to him?

328 EPR-radar  Apr 1, 2015 4:14:16pm

re: #322 jamesfirecat

When did you start feeling the presidency had become Super Charged Powers wise… What made you come to that realization… I’ll wait…

January 20, 2009, noon Eastern Standard Time. ‘nuff said.

329 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 4:15:16pm

re: #324 Dark_Falcon

I wouldn’t have come to the realization, but I will keep it now that I have it regardless of who is president.

That frankly seems awfully convenient no offense. Is that related to the Republican concern about the deficit suddenly rising in Democratic presidencies while Republicans run the show it’s reduced to “Deficits don’t matter” as a certain Republican VP once said.

330 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 4:15:24pm

re: #324 Dark_Falcon

I wouldn’t have come to the realization, but I will keep it now that I have it regardless of who is president.

That really is a stupid stance.

331 goddamnedfrank  Apr 1, 2015 4:16:28pm

re: #324 Dark_Falcon

I wouldn’t have come to the realization, but I will keep it now that I have it regardless of who is president.

No you won’t.

Sorry, but you are lying to yourself.

This is just like your temporary rejection of Romney at the end of 2011.

It will expire exactly when party objectives dictate.

332 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2015 4:16:51pm

Kittehs are majorly goofy and the Jack Russell Terror is now in hiding.

:D

333 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 1, 2015 4:16:59pm

re: #326 darthstar

It’s like his inner Chuck Johnson is doing the posting for him. I’m surprised he hasn’t referred to the POTUS as an ‘uppity boy’ yet.

I’m pretty sure we’ve already had a comment about how the president needed to be “slapped down” by Congress.

334 jamesfirecat  Apr 1, 2015 4:17:13pm

re: #324 Dark_Falcon

I wouldn’t have come to the realization, but I will keep it now that I have it regardless of who is president.

So your argument is, “I am such a hypocrite that I need Democrats to do bad things before I realize it was wrong when Republicans already did those things?”

Or have I misread you?

335 makeitstop  Apr 1, 2015 4:17:45pm

re: #321 darthstar

Some of us Americans like the US being a trusted nation that can be counted on. Fuck you for minimizing the standing of our country because your bigoted heroes are trying to stick it to the president.

THIS.

336 EPR-radar  Apr 1, 2015 4:17:50pm

re: #329 HappyWarrior

That frankly seems awfully convenient no offense. Is that related to the Republican concern about the deficit suddenly rising in Democratic presidencies while Republicans run the show it’s reduced to “Deficits don’t matter” as a certain Republican VP once said.

To be a Republican, it is essential that one’s views on what counts as history and reality be malleable .

337 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 4:17:51pm

If anything you can argue a couple things. One, that Obama has actually taken a fairly conservative view on executive power. See the President issuing relatively few executive orders in comp to his predecessors. But you can also argue that Obama’s hand his been forced since he has a Congressional opposition that is irrational.

338 CuriousLurker  Apr 1, 2015 4:18:12pm

re: #313 Dark_Falcon

I’ll accept that over the current super-charged presidency. If restoring a proper balance between Congress and the Presidency means crippling America’s ability to make binding international agreements, then that is a cost I’m prepared to accept.

So party over country again. huh? Somehow, I tend to think that if it was a “super-charged” Republican presidency you’d be justifying and even praising it. I’m gonna walk back on outta here before I lose my cool.

339 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2015 4:18:22pm

re: #336 EPR-radar

To be a Republican, it is essential that one’s views on what counts as history and reality be malleable .

and unskewed

340 goddamnedfrank  Apr 1, 2015 4:18:42pm
Well, the president had previously come right out and said he wanted to get an agreement without Congress and then use international opinion to make it politically impossible to back out of.

It’s what Obama said.

Again, care to back up these assertions of yours with actual quotes?

341 goddamnedfrank  Apr 1, 2015 4:19:06pm

I see a “BBL” on the immediate horizon.

342 TedStriker  Apr 1, 2015 4:19:20pm

re: #301 goddamnedfrank

While it’s true that the Lima Accord is toothless and only operates through international peer pressure, what McConnell did is not a logical counter to that. He just told the World that the United States is being deliberately hobbled by perpetually backwards, intentionally obtuse and willfully ignorant ideological primitives. Between this and the Iran letter any administration in the future, republican or democratic, is fucked trying to get cooperation on any meaningful agreement as the effects of climate change and ME destabilization continue to stack.

This is scorched earth apocalyptic political nihilism. You should really be ashamed of what your Party has become.

Why should Dark be ashamed? His team, Team TPGOP, is doing exactly what he wants them to do: “winning” against the Democrats by any means possible, by hook or by crook.

Sure, he gives good lip service denouncing the bigots and racists in the party that he can’t give cover to, but that’s just low-hanging fruit. Otherwise, despite Lizards’ best intentions to attempt to get Dark to see the light, he’s still as much a team player for the Republicans as he was when he first came here, maybe even more entrenched.

Barring an Ebenezer Scrooge moment, I doubt he’ll ever change, which, among other things, is why I just gave up on him and put him on GAZE.

343 makeitstop  Apr 1, 2015 4:19:31pm

re: #341 goddamnedfrank

I see a “BBL” on the immediate horizon.

3…2…1…

344 Dark_Falcon  Apr 1, 2015 4:19:41pm

re: #340 goddamnedfrank

Again, care to back up these assertions of yours with actual quotes?

No.

345 goddamnedfrank  Apr 1, 2015 4:20:23pm

re: #344 Dark_Falcon

Then you’re a liar.

346 TedStriker  Apr 1, 2015 4:20:41pm

re: #304 HappyWarrior

Remember when Republicans on the Hill made any criticism of President Bush to be emboldening the terrorists. Funny how that goes out the window when there’s a Democrat in the WH huh. Really this shit js just typical of what he Republican Party has become, a party whose sole purpose is to fuck Barack Obama.

Without lube or the courtesy to give a reacharound.

That’s just rude.

///

347 jamesfirecat  Apr 1, 2015 4:20:46pm

re: #344 Dark_Falcon

No.

Would you care to retract them then?

348 blueraven  Apr 1, 2015 4:21:28pm

re: #344 Dark_Falcon

No.

Unbelievable.

Or not. Really sad, D_F.

349 Targetpractice  Apr 1, 2015 4:21:42pm

re: #324 Dark_Falcon

I wouldn’t have come to the realization, but I will keep it now that I have it regardless of who is president.

I’ll join the chorus that says they don’t believe that, Dark. If the situation were reversed, and this was a Democrat-majority Congress attempting to sabotage the foreign policy of a sitting Republican president, you’d be here arguing that they do not have the authority to say what America will and won’t do, that that is reserved for the President as laid down in our Constitution.

350 thedopefishlives  Apr 1, 2015 4:21:45pm

re: #333 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m pretty sure we’ve already had a comment about how the president needed to be “slapped down” by Congress.

Whatever happened to the idea of President and Congress working together for the good of the country? Now it’s just “opposition this” and “opposition that” and no one ever seems to bat an eyelash. The problem, as I see it, is that we’re too busy demonizing OUR OWN FUCKING PEOPLE to try to work together. And right now, it’s mainly one group that’s doing the demonizing, the party of “Fuck the blacks and the gays and the women and the brown people.”

351 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 4:21:55pm

re: #346 TedStriker

Without lube or the courtesy to give a reacharound.

That’s just rude.

///

Well one thing you can say about Mitch is he’s no gentleman.

352 Dark_Falcon  Apr 1, 2015 4:22:26pm

re: #347 jamesfirecat

Would you care to retract them then?

I guess I have to. I really haven’t got the time to do the research at this moment.

353 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 4:22:55pm

re: #349 Targetpractice

Well, he only says it because he hopes Rs will take over the presidency in 2016.

Ain’t gonna happen.

354 Bubblehead II  Apr 1, 2015 4:23:16pm

re: #341 goddamnedfrank

I see a “BBL” on the immediate horizon.

Par for the course.

355 goddamnedfrank  Apr 1, 2015 4:23:24pm

Why did you lie Dark? Why did you characterize what “the president had previously come right out and said,” if you can’t actually identify the quote in question? Why did you double down and say “It’s what Obama said,” if you can’t point to where he actually said it?

356 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 4:23:25pm

re: #350 thedopefishlives

Whatever happened to the idea of President and Congress working together for the good of the country? Now it’s just “opposition this” and “opposition that” and no one ever seems to bat an eyelash. The problem, as I see it, is that we’re too busy demonizing OUR OWN FUCKING PEOPLE to try to work together. And right now, it’s mainly one group that’s doing the demonizing, the party of “Fuck the blacks and the gays and the women and the brown people.”

It’s the team sportsification of politics sadly. I mean I love sports. But the difference is sports are a game and politics is about decisions that impact our very lives. I can afford to be a homer in sports because hey that’s harmless entertainment but politics I can’t be.

357 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 4:23:33pm

re: #352 Dark_Falcon

I guess I have to. I really haven’t got the time to do the research at this moment.

Weak sauce. Google only takes minutes, unless you’re searching for some obscure Wordpress RWNJ blog.

358 EPR-radar  Apr 1, 2015 4:23:45pm

re: #344 Dark_Falcon

No.

That is remarkably pathetic. I realize that being a GOP apologist is a difficult task anywhere outside a RWNJ echo chamber, but really.

On the other hand, this is a brilliantly concise summary of the essence of the GOP.

359 palomino  Apr 1, 2015 4:24:00pm

re: #313 Dark_Falcon

I’ll accept that over the current super-charged presidency. If restoring a proper balance between Congress and the Presidency means crippling America’s ability to make binding international agreements, then that is a cost I’m prepared to accept.0

Which means you’re cool with a government that doesn’t really function.

You like to ridicule, in a very condescending way, the intolerant far right in your own party. But, in many ways, you’re not much different from a teabagger: if things aren’t going your way, then you basically support taking your toys home and shutting down the government.

360 EPR-radar  Apr 1, 2015 4:24:50pm

re: #359 palomino

Which means you’re cool with a government that doesn’t really function.

You like to ridicule, in a very condescending way, the intolerant far right in your own party. But, in many ways, you’re not much different from a teabagger: if things aren’t going your way, then you basically support taking your toys home and shutting down the government.

A polite nihilist is still a nihilist.

361 jamesfirecat  Apr 1, 2015 4:25:00pm

re: #352 Dark_Falcon

I guess I have to. I really haven’t got the time to do the research at this moment.

Thank you.

362 Kragar  Apr 1, 2015 4:25:54pm

I’ve learned by now its best just to ignore some people utterly on certain subjects

363 EPR-radar  Apr 1, 2015 4:26:04pm

re: #350 thedopefishlives

Whatever happened to the idea of President and Congress working together for the good of the country? Now it’s just “opposition this” and “opposition that” and no one ever seems to bat an eyelash. The problem, as I see it, is that we’re too busy demonizing OUR OWN FUCKING PEOPLE to try to work together. And right now, it’s mainly one group that’s doing the demonizing, the party of “Fuck the blacks and the gays and the women and the brown people.”

The RWNJs want to have their civil war, and they are on course to get it.

364 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 4:26:28pm

Sen. Robert Menendez says he ‘will not be silenced’ by federal indictment and that is confident he ‘will be vindicated’ - @jbendery
end of alert

9m
Sen Robert Menendez: ‘I am outraged that prosecutors at the Justice Department were tricked into starting this investigation’
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10m
Crowd cheers as New Jersey Sen. Robert Menendez arrives at press conference

365 jamesfirecat  Apr 1, 2015 4:26:29pm

re: #360 EPR-radar

A polite nihilist is still a nihilist.

Say what you want about the tennants of National Socialism, at least it’s an ethos!

366 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 1, 2015 4:26:54pm

re: #333 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m pretty sure we’ve already had a comment about how the president needed to be “slapped down” by Congress.

I should be accurate, the comment in question really said “cut down.”

367 Dark_Falcon  Apr 1, 2015 4:27:37pm

re: #355 goddamnedfrank

Why did you lie Dark? Why did you characterize what “the president had previously come right out and said,” if you can’t actually identify the quote in question? Why did you double down and say “It’s what Obama said,” if you can’t point to where he actually said it?

Because that was what I remembered about this issue. It’s probably not what he said, now that I think about it, but rather someone else’s analysis of his words. I got the data mixed up in my head, and thus ended up getting pounded for it.

368 RadicalModerate  Apr 1, 2015 4:28:23pm

re: #224 Kragar

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Guys like this are the reason that I check who a Twitter user is following before engaging them in conversation. Either this one is one hell of a dedicated troll or he’s so far out there that he really needs to be put on a law enforcement watch list.

369 EPR-radar  Apr 1, 2015 4:29:34pm

re: #367 Dark_Falcon

Because that was what I remembered about this issue. It’s probably not what he said, now that I think about it, but rather someone else’s analysis of his words. I got the data mixed up in my head, and thus ended up getting pounded for it.

I’m speculating here, but I think it highly likely that this “someone else” is some RWNJ media type. Enough consumption of that swill will rot the brain.

370 makeitstop  Apr 1, 2015 4:29:55pm

re: #367 Dark_Falcon

Because that was what I remembered about this issue. It’s probably not what he said, now that I think about it, but rather someone else’s analysis of his words. I got the data mixed up in my head, and thus ended up getting pounded for it.

Deservedly so.

You’ve endorsed the destruction of this country’s foreign policy apparatus.

SMMFH.

371 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2015 4:30:16pm

re: #367 Dark_Falcon

Because that was what I remembered about this issue. It’s probably not what he said, now that I think about it, but rather someone else’s analysis of his words. I got the data mixed up in my head, and thus ended up getting pounded for it.

OK, good on you for that.

Here, have a baby duckling (they are soft and oh so cute!)

372 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 1, 2015 4:30:54pm

re: #370 makeitstop

Deservedly so.

You’ve endorsed the destruction of this country’s foreign policy apparatus.

SMMFH.

Just expressing his love for America, I’m sure.

/

Here’s a cat.

373 goddamnedfrank  Apr 1, 2015 4:30:55pm

re: #367 Dark_Falcon

So, going forward, do you think it’s possible that you do this a lot? Is there going to be any kind of deeper reflection or accounting of self that allows you to try and reestablish the proper relationship in your mind between the opinions you’ve consumed and the facts you actually know?

374 Tigger2  Apr 1, 2015 4:31:08pm

re: #151 Dr. Matt

Mr. Ilitch, owner of Little Caesars, isn’t a wingnut. He donates to Republicans, but he’s not a wingnut

I wish they delievered I like their pizzas.

375 Kragar  Apr 1, 2015 4:31:32pm

re: #368 RadicalModerate

“POST YOUR PERSONAL INFO PROVING WHO YOU ARE SO I CAN USE IT TO DOX YOU MORE EFFECTIVELY AND LAUNCH MORE PERSONAL ATTACKS ON YOU AND YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY!”

Got to love it.

376 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 4:32:37pm

re: #367 Dark_Falcon

Because that was what I remembered about this issue. It’s probably not what he said, now that I think about it, but rather someone else’s analysis of his words. I got the data mixed up in my head, and thus ended up getting pounded for it.

So—it was some obscure RWNJ Wordpress blog?

Half /

Working off memory isn’t the best way to make a point sometimes, esp when it comes to paraphrasing criticism you just wanted to dump on a sitting president.

377 Dark_Falcon  Apr 1, 2015 4:33:33pm

re: #373 goddamnedfrank

So, going forward, do you think it’s possible that you do this a lot? Is there going to be any kind of deeper reflection or accounting of self that allows you to try and reestablish the proper relationship in your mind between the opinions you’ve consumed and the facts you actually know?

Mosttimes, but not always. On rare occasions my desire to get in my opinion is going to cause me to beclown myself.

378 goddamnedfrank  Apr 1, 2015 4:34:31pm

In other words Dark, I’m presenting you with the idea that one of the primary reasons you are so very conservative is the inability to properly separate ideological opinion from objective truth that you just demonstrated. Make of it what you will.

379 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 4:35:02pm

re: #374 Tigger2

They’re cheap enough that you can feed a pre-K class and most of those kids just have a couple of bites, some just ignore their slice, so you don’t feel so bad that you’ve spent $15 on 3 pizzas that wound up mostly waste. : )

380 TedStriker  Apr 1, 2015 4:35:21pm

re: #353 Justanotherhuman

Well, he only says it because he hopes Rs will take over the presidency in 2016.

Ain’t gonna happen.

From your lips to God’s ears, but there’s also gonna need to be a lot of help at the polls from millions of folks that either set out last year’s election or voted against their own self-interest, just to “send a message”.

381 Tigger2  Apr 1, 2015 4:35:26pm

re: #178 Charles Johnson

Raving.

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Zombie Mickey Rooney.

382 EPR-radar  Apr 1, 2015 4:35:38pm

re: #376 Justanotherhuman

So—it was some obscure RWNJ Wordpress blog?

Half /

Working off memory isn’t the best way to make a point sometimes, esp when it comes to paraphrasing criticism you just wanted to dump on a sitting president.

In other words, the alleged Obama quote was really incidental to this whole affair. The imperative to oppose every act of Obama is a tropism in Republicans.

383 A Cranky One  Apr 1, 2015 4:36:01pm

re: #372 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Here’s a cat.

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Here’s a happy lizard:

384 Dark_Falcon  Apr 1, 2015 4:36:15pm

re: #371 Backwoods_Sleuth

OK, good on you for that.

Here, have a baby duckling (they are soft and oh so cute!)

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Best to leave it with its mother. Raising a duck isn’t all its quacked up to be.

385 Targetpractice  Apr 1, 2015 4:37:11pm

re: #364 Justanotherhuman

Sen. Robert Menendez says he ‘will not be silenced’ by federal indictment and that is confident he ‘will be vindicated’ - @jbendery
end of alert

9m
Sen Robert Menendez: ‘I am outraged that prosecutors at the Justice Department were tricked into starting this investigation
end of alert

10m
Crowd cheers as New Jersey Sen. Robert Menendez arrives at press conference

Anybody else get the strong impression that Bob really believes that the White House is out to get him?

386 darthstar  Apr 1, 2015 4:38:22pm

re: #367 Dark_Falcon

Because that was what I remembered about this issue. It’s probably not what he said, now that I think about it, but rather someone else’s analysis of his words. I got the data mixed up in my head, and thus ended up getting pounded for it.

I was talking to my asshole brother today(He’s not always an asshole, but he’s a political retard a lot like you - anti-Obama, anti-gay, anti-anythingIslamic) about how I got screwed by my last job. He starts off with some backhanded comment about riding the easy life for the next two years on unemployment. I replied, rather politely, “Fuck you. I just went from getting 8k a month to nothing, and my company is fighting my ability to get unemployment, which maxes out at $450 a week.” He started off with one of those, “Well I heard someone say…” and I ripped into him again. The guy’s a fucking lawyer and he’s pathetic because he watches Fox and reads Drudge and he sounds as ignorant as you do right now.

Don’t get sad about your butthurt because you “got the data mixed up” and are “getting pounded for it”…you exude ignorance and you get what you deserve. There are many people here at LGF who have very patiently tried to educate you with positive feedback and links to actual evidence, and you continually fall back to cheerleading for bigots like McConnell.

Forgive the personal anecdote, but I have zero patience for people who try to run down my country. And if you’re supporting that prick Mitch McConnell you’re running down my country to, you fuckwit.

Peace.

387 TedStriker  Apr 1, 2015 4:38:22pm

re: #359 palomino

Which means you’re cool with a government that doesn’t really function.

You like to ridicule, in a very condescending way, the intolerant far right in your own party. But, in many ways, you’re not much different from a teabagger: if things aren’t going your way, then you basically support taking your toys home and shutting down the government.

And completely fucking over millions of people that didn’t ask to be fucking pawns in a game of political brinkmanship.

388 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 1, 2015 4:39:16pm

re: #385 Targetpractice

Anybody else get the strong impression that Bob really believes that the White House is out to get him?

I do. I also have the strong impression that when corrupt motherfucking politicians get caught it’s never because they were doing anything wrong, but it’s always because someone was out to get them.

389 darthstar  Apr 1, 2015 4:39:17pm

390 Targetpractice  Apr 1, 2015 4:39:32pm

Okay, okay, let’s back down from DEFCON 1. Dark’s admitted his mistake and issued his mea culpa, let’s move on.

391 EPR-radar  Apr 1, 2015 4:40:05pm

re: #387 TedStriker

And completely fucking over millions of people that didn’t ask to be fucking pawns in a game of political brinkmanship.

Being a Republican simplifies life greatly. Nobody outside the donor class counts at all.

392 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2015 4:40:25pm

re: #384 Dark_Falcon

Best to leave it with its mother. Raising a duck isn’t all its quacked up to be.

I’ve had ducks before.
The ducklings are cute as all get-out, but they grow up to be massive wet poop machines.

I’ll stick with chickens and goats.

393 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 4:41:04pm

re: #385 Targetpractice

Anybody else get the strong impression that Bob really believes that the White House is out to get him?

re: #385 Targetpractice

With every hair in place?

394 thedopefishlives  Apr 1, 2015 4:43:03pm

re: #392 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ve had ducks before.
The ducklings are cute as all get-out, but they grow up to be massive wet poop machines.

I’ll stick with chickens and goats.

They dig, by the way. My neighbor tried ducks once. They dug holes in his barn floor and actually dug their way out into the yard. Stupid feathery critters.

395 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 4:44:13pm

re: #394 thedopefishlives

Ducks belong on ponds or in the air.

Nowhere else.

396 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2015 4:44:31pm

re: #387 TedStriker

And completely fucking over millions of people that didn’t ask to be fucking pawns in a game of political brinkmanship.

MrBWS is hoping that the GOP doesn’t completely destroy this country until after our new house is finished and our solar/wind system is complete. (Elon Musk, please let your big product announcement be the whole house battery!!!)

397 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2015 4:45:02pm

re: #390 Targetpractice

Okay, okay, let’s back down from DEFCON 1. Dark’s admitted his mistake and issued his mea culpa, let’s move on.

I gave him a cute duckling!!!

398 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 4:45:50pm

re: #390 Targetpractice

OK, until the next time.

But I thoroughly enjoyed the full-throated condemnation. : )

399 Dark_Falcon  Apr 1, 2015 4:45:57pm

re: #385 Targetpractice

Anybody else get the strong impression that Bob really believes that the White House is out to get him?

His troubles with DoJ started at a time when his push for new sanctions on Iran was in the news. There’s also the fact that Sen. Menendez strongly disagrees with President Obama’s reaching out to Cuba (like Marco Rubio, he is the son of Cuban immigrants).

With those clashes occurring near in time to the indictments, its easy to see how Sen. could get the idea he’s being targeted for retribution. Is he being so targeted? I very much doubt it. There’s nothing to suggest this is anything but a standard corruption case.

400 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2015 4:46:25pm

re: #395 Justanotherhuman

Ducks belong on ponds or in the air.

Nowhere else.

Apparently ducks really really like front porches and decks.
At least that’s been my experience.

401 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 1, 2015 4:47:10pm

re: #395 Justanotherhuman

Ducks belong on ponds or in the air.

Nowhere else.

In my belly.

402 thedopefishlives  Apr 1, 2015 4:47:14pm

re: #396 Backwoods_Sleuth

MrBWS is hoping that the GOP doesn’t completely destroy this country until after our new house is finished and our solar/wind system is complete. (Elon Musk, please let your big product announcement be the whole house battery!!!)

I, in the meantime, have upgraded the fishbowl with full LED lighting on all of the living room fixtures, which is the most-used room in the house. I’ve also started upgrading the basement lighting.

403 darthstar  Apr 1, 2015 4:47:44pm

re: #390 Targetpractice

Okay, okay, let’s back down from DEFCON 1. Dark’s admitted his mistake and issued his mea culpa, let’s move on.

I’ll ignore the misquoting Obama thing as it’s been retracted, but he still supports McConnell’s attempts to sabotage international relations which I still think is fucked up beyond logical comprehension.

404 Dark_Falcon  Apr 1, 2015 4:48:01pm

re: #390 Targetpractice

Okay, okay, let’s back down from DEFCON 1. Dark’s admitted his mistake and issued his mea culpa, let’s move on.

Oh come now, compared to some of the brawls LGF has seen, we never got to DEFCON 2 this time. How about a nice game of chess?

405 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2015 4:48:02pm

Zoned out kitteh on my lap waving sharp pointy parts at invisible things…

I’m askeert…

406 Targetpractice  Apr 1, 2015 4:48:32pm

re: #399 Dark_Falcon

His troubles with DoJ started at a time when his push for new sanctions on Iran was in the news. There’s also the fact that Sen. Menendez strongly disagrees with President Obama’s reaching out to Cuba (like Marco Rubio, he is the son of Cuban immigrants).

With those clashes occurring near in time to the indictments, its easy to see how Sen. could get the idea he’s being targeted for retribution. Is he being so targeted? I very much doubt it. There’s nothing to suggest this is anything but a standard corruption case.

Chris Christie was investigating Menendez as a US Attorney back in ‘06. I seriously doubt his present situation has anything to do with his disapproval of the White House’s recent actions.

407 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 1, 2015 4:48:56pm

re: #394 thedopefishlives

They dig, by the way. My neighbor tried ducks once. They dug holes in his barn floor and actually dug their way out into the yard. Stupid feathery critters.

There’s a duck park in Kenmore, at the north end of Lake Washington. It’s frequented by innumerable ducks, a few geese (mean buggers) and about 10% coots. I really didn’t realize what a coot was before. Calling someone an “old coot” is not a compliment.

408 A Cranky One  Apr 1, 2015 4:49:46pm

re: #392 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ve had ducks before.
The ducklings are cute as all get-out, but they grow up to be massive wet poop machines…

Now I’m wondering if CCJ is a duck. Maybe we should see if he weighs as much as a duck. /

409 EPR-radar  Apr 1, 2015 4:49:49pm

re: #404 Dark_Falcon

Oh come now, compared to some of the brawls LGF has seen, we never got to DEFCON 2 this time. How about a nice game of chess?

1. d4

410 Bubblehead II  Apr 1, 2015 4:49:55pm

re: #377 Dark_Falcon

Mosttimes, but not always. On rare occasions my desire to get in my opinion is going to cause me to beclown myself.

[lurkoff]Ya know, there is a old saying that goes along this line.

Tis better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt. Perhaps you should consider it.

DF, I am Idaho born and raised. The Republican party at both the State and National level has jumped the rails and gone over the cliff.

There is no saving it. The writing is on the wall. All you have to do is read it..[lurkon]

411 darthstar  Apr 1, 2015 4:50:51pm

Chris Christie thinks he could beat Hillary Clinton - that’s his secret weapon for the primaries. He should stick to hugging Texas football team owners.

412 Dark_Falcon  Apr 1, 2015 4:51:29pm

re: #394 thedopefishlives

They dig, by the way. My neighbor tried ducks once. They dug holes in his barn floor and actually dug their way out into the yard. Stupid feathery critters.

413 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 4:52:17pm

re: #411 darthstar

Chris Christie thinks he could beat Hillary Clinton - that’s his secret weapon for the primaries. He should stick to hugging Texas football team owners.

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If he wants to win, might I suggest not being a dick to teachers.

414 CuriousLurker  Apr 1, 2015 4:53:03pm
415 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 4:53:43pm

re: #413 HappyWarrior

If he wants to win, might I suggest not being a dick to teachers.

There aren’t enough teachers in the US who would vote for him, I hope, after his disrespectful shenanigans.

416 goddamnedfrank  Apr 1, 2015 4:54:06pm

re: #411 darthstar

Chris Christie thinks he could beat Hillary Clinton - that’s his secret weapon for the primaries. He should stick to hugging Texas football team owners.

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He could probably take her out pretty easily, if somebody greased him up, stuffed him into a cannon and fired him at her.

Wait, scratch that first part, Christie is self greasing.

417 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 4:54:36pm

re: #415 Justanotherhuman

There aren’t enough teachers in the US who would vote for him, I hope, after his disrespectful shenanigans.

I was being very tongue in cheek there. He really is a dick. Doesn’t even try to hide it.

418 darthstar  Apr 1, 2015 4:54:49pm

By the way, as a Californian, I just went out and reset my sprinkler system to only run once every five days. If we get some reliable fog I’ll shut it off completely or run it once every 12-14 days.

419 Dark_Falcon  Apr 1, 2015 4:54:52pm

re: #392 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ve had ducks before.
The ducklings are cute as all get-out, but they grow up to be massive wet poop machines.

I’ll stick with chickens and goats.

2000 Ducks;

420 darthstar  Apr 1, 2015 4:55:27pm

re: #413 HappyWarrior

If he wants to win, might I suggest not being a dick to teachers.

Heh…yeah, he thinks he’s being endearing. What a fool.

421 Bubblehead II  Apr 1, 2015 4:56:00pm

re: #401 klys (maker of Silmarils)

In my belly.

After being stuffed with a onion, orange slices and a few cloves and slow roasted over a grill.

422 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 4:56:51pm

re: #420 darthstar

Heh…yeah, he thinks he’s being endearing. What a fool.

Well his behavior is endearing to the dick crowd. To the rest of us, we just see a bullying chode.

423 darthstar  Apr 1, 2015 4:57:16pm
424 calochortus  Apr 1, 2015 4:57:41pm

re: #418 darthstar

By the way, as a Californian, I just went out and reset my sprinkler system to only run once every five days. If we get some reliable fog I’ll shut it off completely or run it once every 12-14 days.

We might get a little rain this weekend…
(I’ll believe that when I see it.)

425 Dark_Falcon  Apr 1, 2015 4:57:47pm

re: #420 darthstar

Heh…yeah, he thinks he’s being endearing. What a fool.

He’s trying to send a message to Republican primary voters that he fights the good fight against the teachers unions.

426 Targetpractice  Apr 1, 2015 4:57:54pm

re: #423 darthstar

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Let us all again be thankful for a moment this woman is no longer in Congress.

427 thedopefishlives  Apr 1, 2015 4:57:59pm

re: #423 darthstar

Funny, I’d sooner compare her and her ilk to that guy. After all, it’s the right-wing loons who are steering this plane toward the mountain.

428 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 4:58:11pm

re: #423 darthstar

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Your Republican Party in actions folks. By the way Michelle don’t let Marcus go to Indiana without you.

429 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 1, 2015 4:58:28pm

re: #418 darthstar

By the way, as a Californian, I just went out and reset my sprinkler system to only run once every five days. If we get some reliable fog I’ll shut it off completely or run it once every 12-14 days.

We turned ours off outright a few years ago.

Which is probably why the backyard has been slowly getting worse…

I’m debating getting price quotes for having the landscaping redone (would probably help a bunch with resale value, and we could put in drought tolerant plants).

430 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 4:58:52pm

re: #425 Dark_Falcon

He’s trying to send a message to Republican primary voters that he fights the good fight against the teachers unions.

For fuck sake man. Really, I hope you don’t have a teacher as a relative or close friend.

431 Dark_Falcon  Apr 1, 2015 4:58:53pm

re: #423 darthstar

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Lord, look at those eyes. They look like windows looking out onto an ocean of insanity.

432 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 4:59:21pm

re: #431 Dark_Falcon

Lord, look at those eyes. They look like windows looking out onto an ocean of insanity.

Governor Berates Teachers isn’t much better ya know.

433 A Cranky One  Apr 1, 2015 4:59:33pm

re: #419 Dark_Falcon

2000 Ducks;

10,000 Maniacs:

434 #FergusonFireside  Apr 1, 2015 4:59:34pm

re: #414 CuriousLurker

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First time I could watch with sound. Amaze.

What a prick.

435 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 4:59:41pm

re: #423 darthstar

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I see someone needs attention.

Gawd, how did this idiot ever get elected?

436 Dark_Falcon  Apr 1, 2015 4:59:41pm

re: #430 HappyWarrior

For fuck sake man. Really, I hope you don’t have a teacher as a relative or close friend.

I was explaining what Christie is trying to convey. No more and no less.

437 thedopefishlives  Apr 1, 2015 5:00:08pm

re: #435 Justanotherhuman

I see someone needs attention.

Gawd, how did this idiot ever get elected?

Minnesotans have a soft spot for loons.

438 calochortus  Apr 1, 2015 5:00:11pm

re: #429 klys (maker of Silmarils)

We turned ours off outright a few years ago.

Which is probably why the backyard has been slowly getting worse…

I’m debating getting price quotes for having the landscaping redone (would probably help a bunch with resale value, and we could put in drought tolerant plants).

You will have to water them while they get established even if they are drought resistant. Do it in the Fall.

439 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 1, 2015 5:00:12pm

re: #436 Dark_Falcon

I was explaining what Christie is trying to convey. No more and no less.

I wonder why people have trouble distinguishing it from things you say seriously, then.

440 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2015 5:00:17pm

re: #425 Dark_Falcon

He’s trying to send a message to Republican primary voters that he fights the good fight against the teachers unions.

Because teacher unions are just thugs that need to be yelled at during public events.

441 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 5:00:27pm

re: #436 Dark_Falcon

I was explaining what Christie is trying to convey. No more and no less.

Then he’s a bullying douchebag. Nothing more pathetic than a Koch lackey acting like he’s fighting the big bad teacher’s union.

442 #FergusonFireside  Apr 1, 2015 5:00:39pm

re: #418 darthstar

By the way, as a Californian, I just went out and reset my sprinkler system to only run once every five days. If we get some reliable fog I’ll shut it off completely or run it once every 12-14 days.

I went to lunch and declined water. Just had chardonnay. Doing our part.

443 Dark_Falcon  Apr 1, 2015 5:00:42pm

re: #432 HappyWarrior

Governor Berates Teachers isn’t much better ya know.

Yeah, I know. Just because its a tactic doesn’t mean its a good one.

444 goddamnedfrank  Apr 1, 2015 5:00:46pm

re: #425 Dark_Falcon

He’s trying to send a message to Republican primary voters that he fights the good fight against the teachers unions.

The fact that GOP primary voters think teachers unions are the enemy is just one of many truly awful things about your party. It speaks to the general animosity conservatives hold towards academics, intellectualism and expertise. Dunning-Kruger writ large.

445 #FergusonFireside  Apr 1, 2015 5:01:29pm

re: #419 Dark_Falcon

2000 Ducks;

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Video

That’s like a walking dead hoard.

446 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 5:01:31pm

re: #443 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, i know. Just because its a tactic doesn’t mean its a good one.

It makes him look like an asshole. If that’s appealing to voters in hi sand your party’s base then frankly that’s a big problem.

447 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 1, 2015 5:01:48pm

re: #423 darthstar

Out of all of the ex-members of Congress there are floating around the country why in the world is anyone paying attention to Bachmann?

448 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 5:02:05pm

re: #429 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Might as well go for the cactus at this point…

449 thedopefishlives  Apr 1, 2015 5:02:22pm

re: #447 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Out of all of the ex-members of Congress there are floating around the country why in the world is anyone paying attention to Bachmann?

Because DEEEEEEEERP, ‘nuff said.

450 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 5:02:32pm

I am “old” enough to remember when Republicans were happy to get endorsements from teachers unions. I even remember when Republican candidates praised teachers instead of scapegoating them or claiming they were greedy. Oh and I am not even 30 yet.

451 BeachDem  Apr 1, 2015 5:02:42pm

re: #181 Targetpractice

Gee, what’s David Spade doing these days?

I’d go with Andy Dick for many reasons.

452 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 1, 2015 5:03:03pm

re: #448 Justanotherhuman

Might as well go for the cactus at this point…

It seriously depends on how much it would be, how much of a difference it would make on curb appeal/resale value, and how much longer we think it likely that we’re going to be here.

Six months has been floated as a possible decision point.

453 Dark_Falcon  Apr 1, 2015 5:03:38pm

re: #447 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Out of all of the ex-members of Congress there are floating around the country why in the world is anyone paying attention to Bachmann?

Because watching her spew insanity is riveting, in a train wreck sort of way.

454 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 5:04:07pm

Shrug. It takes a lot of balls when you’re a corporate lackey to tell hardworking teachers that they’re being greedy. I’ll give Christie that much. He’s got no sense of shame about him.

455 #FergusonFireside  Apr 1, 2015 5:04:35pm

re: #448 Justanotherhuman

Might as well go for the cactus at this point…

My succulents are struggling to come back, what after the freak snow that piled on them this winter.

456 CuriousLurker  Apr 1, 2015 5:05:11pm

re: #434 #FergusonFireside

First time I could watch with sound. Amaze.

What a prick.

No kidding. And that little escapade got the got transferred out of the NYPD’s Joint Terrorism Task Force. I mean, WTF? This kind of lunatic bigot with a rage problem is the sort of cop Muslims are supposed to deal with?

457 calochortus  Apr 1, 2015 5:06:45pm

re: #448 Justanotherhuman

Might as well go for the cactus at this point…

Native grasses, salvias, rosemary, maybe lavender with a little water. There are actually a fair number of plants that you can use.

458 Targetpractice  Apr 1, 2015 5:06:51pm

re: #454 HappyWarrior

Shrug. It takes a lot of balls when you’re a corporate lackey to tell hardworking teachers that they’re being greedy. I’ll give Christie that much. He’s got no sense of shame about him.

“You teachers are being too damn greedy! Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have some Exxon guys who want to thank me for getting them a settlement for billions less than the state was seeking.”

459 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 1, 2015 5:08:48pm

re: #429 klys (maker of Silmarils)

We turned ours off outright a few years ago.

Which is probably why the backyard has been slowly getting worse…

I’m debating getting price quotes for having the landscaping redone (would probably help a bunch with resale value, and we could put in drought tolerant plants).

You could also go with succulents. They’re relatively inexpensive and easy to propagate. If you’re within range of Escondido I’d suggest Waterwise Botanicals. They have great plants, knowledgeable staff and the place is dog friendly.

460 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 5:09:01pm

re: #458 Targetpractice

“You teachers are being too damn greedy! Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have some Exxon guys who want to thank me for getting them a settlement for billions less than the state was seeking.”

Seriously. And you notice that Christie only berates teachers not firefighters or police unions. Hmmm why could that be? Afraid to talk shit to a firefighter or cop Christie because you know it would make you look bad but know that you can get away with talking smack to a teacher? Guy’s nothing but a coward.

461 #FergusonFireside  Apr 1, 2015 5:10:04pm

re: #456 CuriousLurker

No kidding. And that little escapade got the got transferred out of the NYPD’s Joint Terrorism Task Force. I mean, WTF? This kind of lunatic bigot with a rage problem is the sort of cop Muslims are supposed to deal with?

Yeah, no preexisting bias there.

462 goddamnedfrank  Apr 1, 2015 5:11:06pm

Has somebody already posted this? LOL who am I kidding I don’t care FUCK IT WE’LL DO IT LIVE! (Yes I know I’m mixing my d-bags):

Of course Griffith told police Kincannon “has made several threats in the past to kill himself, her, and her family” - and that she had preserved recordings of several such threats.

Kincannon has yet to account for that allegation.

Now a source close to the investigation tells FITS that more than forty-eight hours of such recordings exist - as well as photographic evidence of possible domestic abuse sustained by Griffith.

“Its a treasure trove,” the source told FITS.

463 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 5:11:44pm

re: #452 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It seriously depends on how much it would be, how much of a difference it would make on curb appeal/resale value, and how much longer we think it likely that we’re going to be here.

Six months has been floated as a possible decision point.

Make that cacti. One would be lonely and look funny, : )

I never could understand why people in AZ have grass. We’re lucky here in NC that we don’t lack for rain, but when there isn’t much in a natural habitat, it seems wasteful to divert water simply for indulgence in something you moved away from. Using native plants is the way to go. I miss the lilacs we had in Buffalo as well as tulips, but those won’t grow here, at least in this area, so in spring, you find dogwoods, azaleas, daffodils, and forsythias, all lovely. Summers can be brutal on flowering plants here, too, so by the end of July, we’re usually through with them unless they’re kind of protected.

464 blueraven  Apr 1, 2015 5:13:10pm

re: #462 goddamnedfrank

Has somebody already posted this? LOL who am I kidding I don’t care FUCK IT WE’LL DO IT LIVE! (Yes I know I’m mixing my d-bags):

Kragar paged it

littlegreenfootballs.com

465 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 5:13:53pm

re: #462 goddamnedfrank

Has somebody already posted this? LOL who am I kidding I don’t care FUCK IT WE’LL DO IT LIVE! (Yes I know I’m mixing my d-bags):

Paged already but worth another gander. Guy’s a nutcase in so many ways.

466 Targetpractice  Apr 1, 2015 5:14:00pm

re: #462 goddamnedfrank

Has somebody already posted this? LOL who am I kidding I don’t care FUCK IT WE’LL DO IT LIVE! (Yes I know I’m mixing my d-bags):

I’m sure those also are all due to OTC medication side-effects…possibly…

////

467 makeitstop  Apr 1, 2015 5:14:26pm

re: #423 darthstar

Michele Bachmann compares Obama to pilot who deliberately crashed plane

If anyone were deserving of that comparison, my money would be on Mitch McConnell right now.

468 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 1, 2015 5:15:07pm

re: #463 Justanotherhuman

Our front lawn is all junipers right now. Low maintenance, low water, but …yes. Also the roots keep growing into the sewer system and we have no two-way cleanout valve, so that’s always a two person job when we have to call the plumber for it.

If we ripped up the driveway and put in pavers we might be able to fix that, but that involves ripping up the driveway.

But that’s not today’s problem anyway. Today’s problem is figuring out how I design a website for my mobile app plus trying to get a refund on the renewal of the hosting plan I had that I want cancelled. (Renewed 7 days ago, I should be within period, but…)

469 freetoken  Apr 1, 2015 5:15:08pm

re: #419 Dark_Falcon

Lots of foie gras on the hoof there.

470 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 1, 2015 5:15:22pm

klys, darth, stanley, kragar and the rest of y’all in CA, I surely do wish I could send most of this to you (tomorrow and Friday are gonna be a nightmare here in the Backwoods…and then there’s snow for Friday night/Saturday morning, YAY me!! sigh):

471 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 5:15:24pm

re: #459 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Also succulent ground covers if you have sloping areas. I remember those from 50 yrs ago when I lived in SoCal. Don’t know if they’re still used. Some things gets wiped out.

472 A Cranky One  Apr 1, 2015 5:15:44pm

re: #454 HappyWarrior

Shrug. It takes a lot of balls when you’re a corporate lackey to tell hardworking teachers that they’re being greedy. I’ll give Christie that much. He’s got no sense of shame about him.

My sister and her husband took early retirement after many years of teaching. Both were recognized by the state as excellent educators and were highly regarded. But the environment has become so toxic that it was affecting their health. Teachers were respected partners in the important activity of educating our children. Now they are treated as greedy thugs who are trying to brainwash the children with anti-christian/anti-American propaganda. Now the kids are deprived of teachers who were experienced, effective and caring. And for what? To damage unions for political purposes and greed. SMH

473 darthstar  Apr 1, 2015 5:16:06pm
474 calochortus  Apr 1, 2015 5:17:07pm

re: #470 Backwoods_Sleuth

My condolences. Climate change isn’t helping anyone.

475 A Cranky One  Apr 1, 2015 5:17:07pm

re: #455 #FergusonFireside

My succulents are struggling to come back, what after the freak snow that piled on them this winter.

But all the extra carbon dioxide in the atmosphere should make them flourish, right? /////.

476 Dark_Falcon  Apr 1, 2015 5:17:09pm

re: #454 HappyWarrior

Shrug. It takes a lot of balls when you’re a corporate lackey to tell hardworking teachers that they’re being greedy. I’ll give Christie that much. He’s got no sense of shame about him.

I think a sense of shame disqualifies a man from being governor of New Jersey. I think its different for a woman (Christie Todd Whitman being the sole example), but man seeking the office has to be shameless.

477 Justanotherhuman  Apr 1, 2015 5:17:33pm

Later, Lizards!

Keep calm…

478 calochortus  Apr 1, 2015 5:20:04pm

BBL. Dinner does not appear to be cooking itself. As is so often the case.

479 darthstar  Apr 1, 2015 5:21:36pm

re: #430 HappyWarrior

For fuck sake man. Really, I hope you don’t have a teacher as a relative or close friend.

Some people. We just got done cleaning him up and the next thing you know he reaches down and picks up another turd to show it off.

480 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 5:22:16pm

re: #476 Dark_Falcon

I think a sense of shame disqualifies a man from being governor of New Jersey. I think its different for a woman (Christie Todd Whitman being the sole example), but man seeking the office has to be shameless.

You know what I mean. It takes a special type of asshole to be a corporate pawn and then to berate people who make a fraction of what his corporate buds make as being greedy.

481 #FergusonFireside  Apr 1, 2015 5:22:32pm

So I got the Galaxy Note 4. I’m starting to watch youtube to figure out how to work the damn thing. Did hook it to my car sync today thank dog.

I’m 2 secs into the video and have to hit rewind. I am a fool when it comes to new tech. I need an inhouse tech person to set me up. Obviously I’ve had this in my past life.

482 darthstar  Apr 1, 2015 5:22:37pm
483 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 5:23:04pm

re: #482 darthstar

[Embedded content]

Right wing grifters.

484 #FergusonFireside  Apr 1, 2015 5:25:51pm

re: #482 darthstar

[Embedded content]

WINGNUT WELFARE

every fucking time.

485 Dark_Falcon  Apr 1, 2015 5:26:41pm

re: #482 darthstar

[Embedded content]

It’s the Grand Fenwick strategy, but without the comic talent of Peter Sellers.

486 thedopefishlives  Apr 1, 2015 5:27:49pm

re: #470 Backwoods_Sleuth

We’re getting a thunderstorm right now. The only difference is, we could sorely use it too, so I’m going to be selfish and keep it.

487 darthstar  Apr 1, 2015 5:28:56pm

re: #483 HappyWarrior

Right wing grifters.

What’s funny is they only grift off each other. The temptation to start a PAC and milk Republicans for thousands of dollars is so strong, but I know I’m too honest to do that.

After 2012 someone did a little research on the different Romney PACs - some of them had 97% administrative overhead. That’s a nice haul over a five month period if you’re getting over $200K in donations.

488 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 5:30:03pm

re: #487 darthstar

What’s funny is they only grift off each other. The temptation to start a PAC and milk Republicans for thousands of dollars is so strong, but I know I’m too honest to do that.

After 2012 someone did a little research on the different Romney PACs - some of them had 97% administrative overhead. That’s a nice haul over a five month period if you’re getting over $200K in donations.

It is tempting for sure.

489 goddamnedfrank  Apr 1, 2015 5:31:51pm

Taking the one available seat at Starbuck (the one by the bathroom) has proved to be an unfortunate decision. My personal space has been invaded by several families of very close standing, loud talking enthusiastic overeaters.

490 Targetpractice  Apr 1, 2015 5:32:01pm

re: #482 darthstar

[Embedded content]

What do you want to bet the place will be boarded up and the owner walking away with enough money to cover his debts in a matter of weeks?

491 Dave In Austin  Apr 1, 2015 5:32:54pm
492 blueraven  Apr 1, 2015 5:33:07pm

re: #399 Dark_Falcon

His troubles with DoJ started at a time when his push for new sanctions on Iran was in the news. There’s also the fact that Sen. Menendez strongly disagrees with President Obama’s reaching out to Cuba (like Marco Rubio, he is the son of Cuban immigrants).

With those clashes occurring near in time to the indictments, its easy to see how Sen. could get the idea he’s being targeted for retribution. Is he being so targeted? I very much doubt it. There’s nothing to suggest this is anything but a standard corruption case.

That is just not true. DOJ started looking into Menendez 3 years ago.

493 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 5:33:11pm

It kind of shows you that the libertarians are wrong when they say “Oh if enough people have a problem with it, it will just go bankrupt.” Sounds nice until you realize that there are wingers out there like Loesch who will helpfully keep homophobic businesses in business.

494 goddamnedfrank  Apr 1, 2015 5:33:51pm

I’m not one to usually object to unfortunate personal foibles, because hey man we all struggle with shit. But when it’s dancing back and forth and fighting less than a foot away from me … my patience wanes.

495 #FergusonFireside  Apr 1, 2015 5:34:20pm

re: #487 darthstar

What’s funny is they only grift off each other. The temptation to start a PAC and milk Republicans for thousands of dollars is so strong, but I know I’m too honest to do that.

After 2012 someone did a little research on the different Romney PACs - some of them had 97% administrative overhead. That’s a nice haul over a five month period if you’re getting over $200K in donations.

Main expense is Postage.

Such a scam.

496 thedopefishlives  Apr 1, 2015 5:34:28pm

re: #493 HappyWarrior

It kind of shows you that the libertarians are wrong when they say “Oh if enough people have a problem with it, it will just go bankrupt.” Sounds nice until you realize that there are wingers out there like Loesch who will helpfully keep homophobic businesses in business.

I’d pay money to kill it, honestly. I had a thought - how exactly are they going to deny service to LGBT people? Are they just going to ask on the phone, “Hey, are you a non-straight person?” Seems like a curious way to operate a business.

497 Targetpractice  Apr 1, 2015 5:35:44pm

re: #493 HappyWarrior

It kind of shows you that the libertarians are wrong when they say “Oh if enough people have a problem with it, it will just go bankrupt.” Sounds nice until you realize that there are wingers out there like Loesch who will helpfully keep homophobic businesses in business.

I remember when Chik-Fil-A was getting shit for its corporate stance on gay marriage, the wingnuts made it a point to eat there as often as possible in “protest.”

498 thedopefishlives  Apr 1, 2015 5:36:21pm

re: #497 Targetpractice

I remember when Chik-Fil-A was getting shit for its corporate stance on gay marriage, the wingnuts made it a point to eat there as often as possible in “protest.”

They have great food. It sucks that I’d have to support a homophobic franchise in order to eat it.

499 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 5:36:49pm

re: #497 Targetpractice

I remember when Chik-Fil-A was getting shit for its corporate stance on gay marriage, the wingnuts made it a point to eat there as often as possible in “protest.”

Yep that was what I was thinking of too.

500 Varek Raith  Apr 1, 2015 5:37:35pm

re: #494 goddamnedfrank

I’m not one to usually object to unfortunate personal foibles, because hey man we all struggle with shit. But when it’s dancing back and forth and fighting less than a foot away from me … my patience wanes.

JUDO CHOP!

501 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 5:37:37pm

re: #498 thedopefishlives

They have great food. It sucks that I’d have to support a homophobic franchise in order to eat it.

Yeah it’s one of the better fast food joints.

502 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 5:39:20pm

re: #496 thedopefishlives

I’d pay money to kill it, honestly. I had a thought - how exactly are they going to deny service to LGBT people? Are they just going to ask on the phone, “Hey, are you a non-straight person?” Seems like a curious way to operate a business.

That’s what I’ve been wondering about these businesses too and why I am so tempted to want to conduct an experiment in which a gay man and lesbian woman go into such an establishment pretending to be a couple and another one where heterosexual men and women go in pretending to be gay. And then when they go “sorry, we don’t serve homosexuals” pow show them a copy of the person’s marriage certificate to a man or woman.

503 goddamnedfrank  Apr 1, 2015 5:39:36pm

re: #493 HappyWarrior

It kind of shows you that the libertarians are wrong when they say “Oh if enough people have a problem with it, it will just go bankrupt.”

Sundown towns did not just disappear on their own. The economics of prejudice and bigotry don’t obey rational rules because prejudice and bigotry aren’t rational. Title 2 of the ‘64 CRA wasn’t created in a vacuum, it was and remains absolutely necessary. It needs to be expanded to include sexual orientation, not done away with by free market absolutists with no sense of history or sociological add on effects.

504 Dark_Falcon  Apr 1, 2015 5:40:01pm

re: #492 blueraven

That is just not true. DOJ started looking into Menendez 3 years ago.

Oh. Well, perhaps the investigation moved into a new phase at that time because I do remember reading about the investigation late last year.

In any case, what I was trying to do was to explain how Senator Menendez might see things. I don’t think my error destroys my case on that matter.

505 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 5:40:06pm

I also wonder about the smarts of a business owner who sets out to discriminate against people. So you’re not only going to alienate the gay community but also their friends and family. Great job assholes.

506 goddamnedfrank  Apr 1, 2015 5:40:20pm

re: #498 thedopefishlives

They have great food.

They basically suck compared to El Pollo Loco.

507 HappyWarrior  Apr 1, 2015 5:40:59pm

re: #503 goddamnedfrank

Sundown towns did not just disappear on their own. The economics of prejudice and bigotry don’t obey rational rules because prejudice and bigotry aren’t rational. Title 2 of the ‘64 CRA wasn’t created in a vacuum, it was and remains absolutely necessary. It needs to be expanded to include sexual orientation, not done away with by free market absolutists with no sense of history or sociological add on effects.

It does. Yet another argument for getting the Dems back running both houses of Congress.

508 Eventual Carrion  Apr 1, 2015 5:51:37pm

re: #256 Maddies Mom

Says ‘no servers were hacked, shoulda bought your domain name’

They did, but it was tedcruz.com

509 BeachDem  Apr 1, 2015 6:31:47pm

re: #462 goddamnedfrank

Has somebody already posted this? LOL who am I kidding I don’t care FUCK IT WE’LL DO IT LIVE! (Yes I know I’m mixing my d-bags):

But hey, he loves his mommy (who is as big a whackjob as Toddy)

510 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 6, 2015 5:43:29am

re: #206 Justanotherhuman

“On Tuesday, Lowry boasted to Politico of the magazine’s 150,000 subscribers and said that non-profit status would allow the magazine to do more fundraising and, significantly, to allow donors to give tax-deductible contributions.”

There is more involved in that than just declaring the status. You can be a non-profit pretty easily, but being one where contributions are tax-deductible also carries some additional requirements such as spending at least a certain percentage of your budget on educational or charitable programs.

Though I am sure the NR can probably dodge that by holding “educational” forums or speaker series where they can spout their same crap. Whether they can claim their publication itself qualifies might be a bit stickier.


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