Pat Robertson’s Latest Crazed Tirade: Gays Are Going to Force You to Like Bestiality

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Here’s fanatical old crocodile Pat Robertson again, weighing in on the Indiana “religious freedom” law with his carefully considered opinion that gays are going to force everyone to like anal sex and bestiality.

“It doesn’t matter what custom you’ve got, it doesn’t matter what holy thing that you worship and adore, the gays are going to get it,” Robertson said. “They’re going to make you conform to them. You are going to say you like anal sex, you like oral sex, you like bestiality, you like anything you can think of, whatever it is. And sooner or later you are going to have to conform your religious beliefs the group of some aberrant thing. It won’t stop at homosexuality.”

Robertson said that polygamy and “sex with animals” will “come next” as a result of the gay rights movement: “They’re going to be saying, ‘You’re intolerant, you’re intolerant, you’re trying to mitigate against these nice people who like dogs, what’s wrong with you?’”

I’ve never encountered anyone who thinks more about anal sex and bestiality than Pat Robertson.

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1 thedopefishlives  Apr 3, 2015 2:37:00pm

How? How are they going to make us do anything? I defy someone - anyone - on the homophobia side to answer me that one damn question.

2 freetoken  Apr 3, 2015 2:38:57pm

Who knows what’s next?

Robo-sex?

Inter-species breeding (just as the Neanderthals)?

3 HappyWarrior  Apr 3, 2015 2:39:04pm

Pat’s got a healthy imagination. He really is mentally disturbed. Like his fellow nutcase, Bryan Fischer, he spends way way too much time thinking about gay sex. Maybe find a healthy hobby Pat rather than fixating on sexual habits of consenting adults.

4 b_sharp  Apr 3, 2015 2:39:42pm

I’ve seen some pretty hawt goats.

5 HappyWarrior  Apr 3, 2015 2:41:36pm

I keep on thinking of Louie season one and Louie’s one gay comic friend who says he probably talks about gay sex more with his straight friends than he does his gay friends.

6 Kragar  Apr 3, 2015 2:44:13pm

I guess no one had the heart to tell Pat where the term “Saddlebacking” came from.

7 b.d.  Apr 3, 2015 2:45:24pm

For a law that they claimed didn’t discriminate against teh gays they sure are in a tizzy about not being able to discriminate against them now.

8 Kragar  Apr 3, 2015 2:45:29pm

I’m going to be totally honest here.

No one had to force me to enjoy oral or anal sex because they’re both awesome.

9 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 3, 2015 2:46:28pm

The notion behind this is the gays represent one part of a group of people determined to break down all legal, moral and cultural barriers in society.

In other words, a group determined to send the world into a sex, drug and violence filled spiral of pure anarchy, where anything goes and God is outlawed. People like Robertson are convinced that evil, secular Liberals are trying to eliminate any and all morality based laws.

10 b.d.  Apr 3, 2015 2:47:10pm

The radical, religious right spend more time dwelling on places where people can put their wiener than any other group I know of.

11 WhatEVs  Apr 3, 2015 2:47:15pm

re: #1 thedopefishlives

How? How are they going to make us do anything? I defy someone - anyone - on the homophobia side to answer me that one damn question.

Government mandate. Republicans who love to be in your bedroom will, literally, be in your bedroom making sure you’d sucking and fucking those animules. Because OBAMA!

12 Belafon  Apr 3, 2015 2:48:00pm

They said these things fifty years ago.

13 HappyWarrior  Apr 3, 2015 2:49:26pm

re: #12 Belafon

They said these things fifty years ago.

Literally in this case with Pat and Phyillis Schalfry.

14 Jay C  Apr 3, 2015 2:49:57pm

re: #9 Eclectic Cyborg

The notion behind this is the gays represent one part of a group of people determined to break down all legal, moral and cultural barriers in society.

In other words, a group determined to send the world into a sex, drug and violence filled spiral of pure anarchy, where anything goes and God is outlawed. People like Robertson are convinced that evil, secular Liberals are trying to eliminate any and all morality based laws.

Or even worse, send the world into a place where Pat Robertson and his ilk are irrelevant, unheeded and poor. IOW, Hell….

15 Charles Johnson  Apr 3, 2015 2:50:04pm

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16 allegro  Apr 3, 2015 2:50:36pm

I just had to look up saddlebacking. Oh. I am so culturally behind. (pun not intended)

17 Tigger2  Apr 3, 2015 2:52:25pm

I think Pat’s going to be surprised when Peter greets him at the pearly gates then smacks him around a little bit before telling him to get lost. ///

18 unproven innocence  Apr 3, 2015 2:52:32pm

I like chicken. I like eggs. And I know where they come from.

19 CuriousLurker  Apr 3, 2015 2:53:19pm

re: #9 Eclectic Cyborg

The notion behind this is the gays represent one part of a group of people determined to break down all legal, moral and cultural barriers in society.

In other words, a group determined to send the world into a sex, drug and violence filled spiral of pure anarchy, where anything goes and God is outlawed. People like Robertson are convinced that evil, secular Liberals are trying to eliminate any and all morality based laws.

Everything’s an existential threat with them—gays, Muslims, feminism, President Obama, you name it. It’s beyond tiresome.

20 HappyWarrior  Apr 3, 2015 2:53:28pm

re: #17 Tigger2

I think Pat’s going to be surprised when Peter greets him at the pearly gates and smacks him around a little bit before telling him to get lost. ///

Jerry Falwell I think is still being smacked by St. Peter I think.

21 Kragar  Apr 3, 2015 2:54:26pm

Pat Robertson continued, citing his personal research into the matter, “Just last night, I was researching some gay porn, where a large, well muscled olive skinned man was engaging in anal sex with a well oiled Adonis and was repeatedly asking “Do you like that?” and I had to admit, I certainly did!”

Robertson stated he would be researching the subject again tonight, and every night, until further notice.

22 HappyWarrior  Apr 3, 2015 2:55:45pm

re: #19 CuriousLurker

Everything’s an existential threat with them—gays, Muslims, feminism, President Obama, you name it. It’s beyond tiresome.

They’re threatened by change frankly. all those things you mention are part of a changing world that didn’t really exist in their childhood. Gays? Some of them honestly believe they didn’t exist when they were kids or if they did, they were rightfully shunned. Muslims? nevermind the fact that a huge fraction of the world is Muslim. Many of them have never met a Muslim and they feel threatened by more Muslims coming to this country. Feminism. In their day, a woman’s place was the household. And President Obama really combines a lot of that. He’s the son of a Kenyan immigrant, his last name sounds a lot like that OSama fellow and his middle name is Hussein. Oh and he’s a fairly liberal Democrat.

23 Amory Blaine  Apr 3, 2015 2:56:07pm

What about a watermelon or a plate of warm liver?

24 HappyWarrior  Apr 3, 2015 2:56:15pm

Dear Penthouse Forum,
you’d never guess what happened to me,
Pat.

25 HappyWarrior  Apr 3, 2015 2:57:31pm

Robertson’s always been a kook though. We are talking about a man who blamed tolerance of gay people for 9/11 but remember Reverend Wright is the only hateful minister out there.

26 Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 3, 2015 2:59:42pm

re: #25 HappyWarrior

Robertson’s always been a kook though. We are talking about a man who blamed tolerance of gay people for 9/11 but remember Reverend Wright is the only hateful minister out there.

Yeah, but Wright was saying America was bad for killing the Native Americans, enslaving the blacks and then denying them their rights for centuries. Pat’s talking about allowing sex between consenting adults. Clearly Wright is the hate-filled one.
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27 Amory Blaine  Apr 3, 2015 3:00:00pm

“scissoring a rainbow!”

28 #FergusonFireside  Apr 3, 2015 3:00:53pm

re: #2 freetoken

Who knows what’s next?

Robo-sex?

Inter-species breeding (just as the Neanderthals)?

I’m in!

29 Charles Johnson  Apr 3, 2015 3:01:27pm

Grifter’s at it again.

30 Tigger2  Apr 3, 2015 3:02:27pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Grifter’s at it again.

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Yep I see a con job in the making.

31 HappyWarrior  Apr 3, 2015 3:02:31pm

re: #26 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, but Wright was saying America was bad for killing the Native Americans, enslaving the blacks and then denying them their rights for centuries. Pat’s talking about allowing sex between consenting adults. Clearly Wright is the hate-filled one.
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I always thought Wright was overly malinged. Not that I agree with everything he had to say but I think his message of America’s not exactly perfect really is what upset the wingers. The irony of course is their own are full with people like Pat who act like America won’t get blessed anymore due to things like legalized abortion and SSM.

32 HappyWarrior  Apr 3, 2015 3:03:12pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Grifter’s at it again.

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Grifty MacGriftor on the grift circuit again.

33 #FergusonFireside  Apr 3, 2015 3:03:13pm

re: #16 allegro

I just had to look up saddlebacking. Oh. I am so culturally behind. (pun not intended)

I just did too. Go Rick Warren!

34 allegro  Apr 3, 2015 3:03:26pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Grifter’s at it again.

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Because Republicans have been unable to do that in the past 25 years of trying real hard.

What a maroon.

35 #FergusonFireside  Apr 3, 2015 3:03:57pm

re: #20 HappyWarrior

Jerry Falwell I think is still being smacked by St. Peter I think.

Jerry Falwell is a piece of dust. And the world is thankful.

36 b.d.  Apr 3, 2015 3:04:15pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Grifter’s at it again.

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At this point the guy is a parody and anyone who gives him a dime is an idiot. Didn’t he just spend 2 years destroying Allen West?

37 thedopefishlives  Apr 3, 2015 3:04:40pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Translation: I have to buy some more pizza and Mt. Dew to restock my in-laws’ basement. Proposing a Hillary hit piece is the laziest way to a quick buck.

38 HappyWarrior  Apr 3, 2015 3:04:43pm

re: #35 #FergusonFireside

Jerry Falwell is a piece of dust. And the world is thankful.

A truly awful person. Him and Robertson were the twin assholes of Virginia evangelical assholes.

39 Amory Blaine  Apr 3, 2015 3:04:56pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Grifter’s at it again.

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kochcareers.com

40 goddamnedfrank  Apr 3, 2015 3:05:06pm
41 Varek Raith  Apr 3, 2015 3:05:23pm

What a vivid imagination he has.

42 The Ghost of a Flea  Apr 3, 2015 3:06:26pm

Ever notice that if you stack up wingnut’s understanding of sexual assault, homosexuality, and women’s sexuality in general, the unifying theme is a lack of understanding of consent?

I think about this every time they trot out the bestiality canard, because it seems like we’re getting a brief glimpse into some unstated assumptions about sex.

43 Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 3, 2015 3:06:36pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

I always thought Wright was overly malinged. Not that I agree with everything he had to say but I think his message of America’s not exactly perfect really is what upset the wingers. The irony of course is their own are full with people like Pat who act like America won’t get blessed anymore due to things like legalized abortion and SSM.

If you listen to the WHOLE ‘God Damn America’ sermon, what Wright’s saying is that God tells us to put our faith in HIM, not in earthly ‘princes and principalities’, that human kingdoms are fallible and capricious but God is a constant.

It strikes me as very much what Jesus was saying, along the ‘render unto Caesar’ line, or ‘IN the world but not OF the world’.

44 goddamnedfrank  Apr 3, 2015 3:08:14pm
45 Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 3, 2015 3:08:48pm

re: #40 goddamnedfrank

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A story that some broke young dumbass in Fresno picked up on that NOBODY in the WHOLE WORLD has been able to find, despite looking, and which will be safe from being scooped no matter how long the dumbass waits.

Ri-i-ight.

46 EPR-radar  Apr 3, 2015 3:09:14pm

re: #19 CuriousLurker

Everything’s an existential threat with them—gays, Muslims, feminism, President Obama, you name it. It’s beyond tiresome.

It’s also evil. When political scapegoating really gets going, pogroms, massacres or even genocide can follow.

47 b.d.  Apr 3, 2015 3:09:35pm

re: #44 goddamnedfrank

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ooops

48 #FergusonFireside  Apr 3, 2015 3:09:35pm

re: #40 goddamnedfrank

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Pizza place.

He has $$ signs in his eyes.

49 thedopefishlives  Apr 3, 2015 3:09:39pm

re: #42 The Ghost of a Flea

Ever notice that if you stack up wingnut’s understanding of sexual assault, homosexuality, and women’s sexuality in general, the unifying theme is a lack of understanding of consent?

I think about this every time they trot out the bestiality canard, because it seems like we’re getting a brief glimpse into some unstated assumptions about sex.

Remember that this comes from the subculture where women are guilt-tripped into being completely subservient to their husbands’ sexual impulses. The idea of “consent” doesn’t enter into the vocabulary - women are told to let the man take them whenever, wherever, or they are committing a sin by denying their marital rights.

50 WhatEVs  Apr 3, 2015 3:15:28pm

re: #48 #FergusonFireside

That was my thought exactly!

51 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 3, 2015 3:15:46pm

re: #40 goddamnedfrank

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You’re kicking a guy while he is down. He’s busy being upset about not thinking of starting a failing business and then going on an anti-gay screed in order to get massive wingnut grift.

52 Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 3, 2015 3:16:51pm

re: #49 thedopefishlives

Remember that this comes from the subculture where women are guilt-tripped into being completely subservient to their husbands’ sexual impulses. The idea of “consent” doesn’t enter into the vocabulary - women are told to let the man take them whenever, wherever, or they are committing a sin by denying their marital rights.

This. I think it perverts their whole outlook on consent. Their view of sex is not that it’s a mutual, fun activity for consenting grownups, but rather something one person does to another, thus if you allow a man to do it to another man, what’s to stop allowing a man to do it to a child or a barnyard animal?

You try to explain the idea of consent to them - children are not old enough to consent, and animals aren’t sentient - and it runs off them like water off a duck.

53 Pawn of the Oppressor  Apr 3, 2015 3:17:58pm

Animals and children can’t consent. That’s the legal hurdle that always seems to escape these slippery-sloping twits.

For real fun, go find Mullah Quack’s speech about how *animal rights* leads to The Gay, which then leads to the Apocalypse. It’s like they wish this stuff would happen…

And anal sex is over-rated. (At least giving, I can’t speak for receiving)

Wonder how many of these Sphincter Theologians like buttsex with their wives. Are they allowed to? :P

54 Charles Johnson  Apr 3, 2015 3:18:21pm
55 Drive By Commenter  Apr 3, 2015 3:18:52pm

!0 Craziest Things Pat Robrtson Has Said…

Pat is “Gods” bag man. Give him the cash, and he’ll see the Big Guy gets it. After a small handling fee of course. What a Club.

56 thedopefishlives  Apr 3, 2015 3:19:12pm

re: #52 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s a man’s right and a woman’s obligation. The idea that sex might be fun and enjoyable for both individuals is strictly discouraged. In fact, in some regions of Christianity, it is explicitly mentioned that sex is strictly for making babies and is not intended to be enjoyed (the old “procreation, not recreation” argument).

57 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 3, 2015 3:20:19pm

The scariest part? Pat is by no means the craziest prominent fundy out there.
In fact he isn’t even average crazy in one respect, since he rejects young Earth creationism.

58 Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 3, 2015 3:20:52pm

re: #57 Shiplord Kirel

The scariest part? Pat is by no means the craziest prominent fundy out there.
In fact he isn’t even average crazy in one respect, since he rejects young Earthcreationism.

Blind pig…acorn…

59 Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 3, 2015 3:21:21pm

re: #56 thedopefishlives

It’s a man’s right and a woman’s obligation. The idea that sex might be fun and enjoyable for both individuals is strictly discouraged. In fact, in some regions of Christianity, it is explicitly mentioned that sex is strictly for making babies and is not intended to be enjoyed (the old “procreation, not recreation” argument).

If you’re not enjoying it, you’re doin it wrong.

60 CuriousLurker  Apr 3, 2015 3:21:37pm

re: #46 EPR-radar

It’s also evil. When political scapegoating really gets going, pogroms, massacres or even genocide can follow.

Yeah, that’s the creepy part. I haven’t forgotten how ugly it got when Palin started with her demagoguery right from the get-go. She’s the one that really turned that shit loose and made it okay to be hateful, something to be proud of even. I’ll never forgive John McCain for inflicting her on the nation.

61 Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 3, 2015 3:22:02pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

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Sounds like THEY’RE interchangeable.

62 thedopefishlives  Apr 3, 2015 3:24:26pm

re: #59 Blind Frog Belly White

If you’re not enjoying it, you’re doin it wrong.

This is a discussion Mrs. Fish and I have had numerous times. Christian churches preach a lot about the evils of premarital sex, but they do a piss-poor job of explaining just what sex is like and how married people can enjoy it. As a result, young married Christian couples often wind up having severe marital difficulties because they’re completely ignorant about ways to enjoy the fitting of Tab A into Slot B.

63 Justanotherhuman  Apr 3, 2015 3:28:50pm

Oh, for chrissakes, I come back to Robertson’s ravings?

How in hell would he know what’s enjoyable or not?

64 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 3, 2015 3:29:15pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Let me guess: He plans to hire O’keefe.

65 Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 3, 2015 3:29:50pm

re: #62 thedopefishlives

This is a discussion Mrs. Fish and I have had numerous times. Christian churches preach a lot about the evils of premarital sex, but they do a piss-poor job of explaining just what sex is like and how married people can enjoy it. As a result, young married Christian couples often wind up having severe marital difficulties because they’re completely ignorant about ways to enjoy the fitting of Tab A into Slot B.

Nothing like religion to fuck up fucking.

66 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 3, 2015 3:30:02pm

re: #42 The Ghost of a Flea

Ever notice that if you stack up wingnut’s understanding of sexual assault, homosexuality, and women’s sexuality in general, the unifying theme is a lack of understanding of consent?

I think about this every time they trot out the bestiality canard, because it seems like we’re getting a brief glimpse into some unstated assumptions about sex.

Consent only comes from God!

67 EPR-radar  Apr 3, 2015 3:30:26pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

So, Glenn Greenwald is another Quisling when it comes to LBGTQ rights. Good to know.

68 HappyWarrior  Apr 3, 2015 3:30:57pm

So did Chuck drop the bombshell regarding the brothers Tsaraniev yet?

Just kidding.

69 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 3, 2015 3:31:16pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

I guarantee they rehearsed all that crap ahead of time.

70 Patricia Kayden  Apr 3, 2015 3:31:17pm

I wonder if Robertson and his ilk know that one’s sexuality is not bound to sexual acts. Or that straights engage in anal and oral sex.

Just wondering.

71 Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 3, 2015 3:32:40pm

re: #70 Patricia Kayden

I wonder if Robertson and his ilk know that one’s sexuality is not bound to sexual acts. Or that straights engage in anal and oral sex.

Just wondering.

Based on Ben Carson’s talking about men becoming Gay in prison and then straight when they get out, I’m thinking not.

72 b.d.  Apr 3, 2015 3:35:31pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

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I’d say page it and get Glenn all pissed off but isn’t he busy hanging out with Allen West and the other brother baggers tonight?

73 HappyWarrior  Apr 3, 2015 3:36:24pm

The people who often claim there’s no difference between the two parties are people who don’t have much to lose. GG while gay can say that kind of stupid crap because what he does care, he’s in Brazil.

74 Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 3, 2015 3:37:42pm

re: #72 b.d.

I’d say page it and get Glenn all pissed off but isn’t he busy hanging out with Allen West and the other brother baggers tonight?

This just made me think of the Steve Martin routine, “I was born a poor black child. But one day, I heard some Montovani, and I knew - this is my music. These are my people!”

Only in Greenwald’s case, it’s more “I heard them say nasty things about Obama, I knew - these are my people.”

75 b.d.  Apr 3, 2015 3:40:46pm

Chuck is begging for $20k to bring down Hillary who the wingnuts will claim is Satan incarnate and actually worse than Obama and can’t get it while one stupidly named pizza joint in Shitlick, IN claims that they hate teh gays and people flock to them with dumptrucks full of money.

Time for Chuck to hang it up, reality has lapped him.

76 HappyWarrior  Apr 3, 2015 3:41:40pm

re: #75 b.d.

Chuck is begging for $20k to bring down Hillary who the wingnuts will claim is Satan incarnate and actually worse than Obama and can’t get it while one stupidly named pizza joint in Shitlick, IN claims that they hate teh gays and people flock to them with dumptrucks full of money.

Time for Chuck to hang it up, reality has lapped him.

Would I be surprised to see him engage in smearing the O’Connors as a way of getting wingnuts to divert their money from them to him? He really is a special kind of dipshit.

77 b.d.  Apr 3, 2015 3:42:20pm

re: #73 HappyWarrior

The people who often claim there’s no difference between the two parties are people who don’t have much to lose. GG while gay can say that kind of stupid crap because what he does care, he’s in Brazil.

Hillary and Jeb both think that Glenn’s meal ticket should be in jail rather than snuggling in Putin’s crotch so he thinks that they are interchangeable.

78 Justanotherhuman  Apr 3, 2015 3:43:22pm

Yeah, because everyone should be able to join ISIS? Good grief, GG must be doing a lot of dope lately.

Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald * 1h 1 hour ago
The FBI yet again saved us from their own “ISIS-related plot” - they are superb at this Noelle Velentzas, 28, and Asia Siddiqui, 31

And links to a story in his rag, of course, trying to make a case that neither of the women would have gone to any extremes if an FBI informant hadn’t prodded them on. These women are supposed to be adults, not some easily malleable 14 yr olds. What a pile of bullshit.

GG should ask himself why he hates the country that gave him every opportunity in the world to be a real productive person instead of making shit up and should take responsibility for it. I mean, it’s not at though he doesn’t spread delusions to those willing to accept them in return for monetary gain, either.

What a fucking grifting hack.

79 HappyWarrior  Apr 3, 2015 3:45:34pm

re: #78 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, because everyone should be able to join ISIS? Good grief, GG must be doing a lot of dope lately.

Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald * 1h 1 hour ago
The FBI yet again saved us from their own “ISIS-related plot” - they are superb at this Noelle Velentzas, 28, and Asia Siddiqui, 31

And links to a story in his rag, of course, trying to make a case that neither of the women would have gone to any extremes if an FBI informant hadn’t prodded them on. These women are supposed to be adults, not some easily malleable 14 yr olds. What a pile of bullshit.

GG should ask himself why he hates the country that gave him every opportunity in the world to be a real productive person instead of making shit up and should take responsibility for it. I mean, it’s not at though he doesn’t spread delusions to those willing to accept them in return for monetary gain, either.

What a fucking grifting hack.

There’s a lot of problems I have with law enforcement in this country but keeping a close eye on Americans who plan to join groups like ISIL ain’t one of them. GG would have so much more credibility if he actually focused on real problems of law enforcement power abuse but he doesn’t because that doesn’t concern his privileged dude bro readership.

80 b.d.  Apr 3, 2015 3:45:49pm

Did Beck come off as the sane one in the interview? I heard Beck blamed WW2 on the libs and Glenn didn’t correct him.

81 Justanotherhuman  Apr 3, 2015 3:46:50pm

re: #79 HappyWarrior

There’s a lot of problems I have with law enforcement in this country but keeping a close eye on Americans who plan to join groups like ISIL ain’t one of them. GG would have so much more credibility if he actually focused on real problems of law enforcement power abuse but he doesn’t because that doesn’t concern his privileged dude bro readership.

Exactly. Nor does he focus on what’s wrong with Brazil, his real home, either.

82 HappyWarrior  Apr 3, 2015 3:47:30pm

re: #81 Justanotherhuman

Exactly. Nor does he focus on what’s wrong with Brazil, his real home, either.

Yeah Brazil has a lot of corruption problems but you’d never know it according to Glenn. Nor does Glenn ever criticize Russia’s government really that often. He’s a hack.

83 Charles Johnson  Apr 3, 2015 3:47:49pm
84 Kragar  Apr 3, 2015 3:49:17pm

re: #80 b.d.

Did Beck come off as the sane one in the interview? I heard Beck blamed WW2 on the libs and Glenn didn’t correct him.


Glenn Beck tells Glenn Greenwald: Progressives caused World War II

“People make a big deal of ‘Death to America!’ chants,” Greenwald said. “But most people understand that rhetoric and actions aren’t the same. Iran can’t impose death on America. The United States took down Iranian government in 1979 — of course they’d be hostile to foreign invading powers.”

“I agree,” Beck responded, before veering on a historical tangent. “When we entered the Progressive Era, we caused World War II. We caused a lot of the animosity in South America, because [we imposed an ethos that] what’s good for us is good for you.”

So what he actually said was America caused WWII by entering the Progressive Era

85 Justanotherhuman  Apr 3, 2015 3:49:30pm

re: #83 Charles Johnson

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Well, he’s finally come out of the closet about his real political viewpoint and conspiracy leanings.

86 b.d.  Apr 3, 2015 3:50:14pm

re: #79 HappyWarrior

There’s a lot of problems I have with law enforcement in this country but keeping a close eye on Americans who plan to join groups like ISIL ain’t one of them. GG would have so much more credibility if he actually focused on real problems of law enforcement power abuse but he doesn’t because that doesn’t concern his privileged dude bro readership.

The same law enforcement that Glenn swore for years would throw him in shackles and rendition him to nowheresville the second he touched US soil?

Glenn is hurting his cause more than helping it. There are real questions with surveillance and they can’t be asked because Greenwald and all of his dudebro posse have claimed the issue as their own. Glenn is the Breitbart of Big Brother State media but at least Andrew had the courtesy of partying himself to death before the masses caught on.

87 b.d.  Apr 3, 2015 3:52:07pm

re: #86 b.d.

Breitbart, not Breadboard. I love the spell check on this place, I just need to pay attention to it.

88 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 3, 2015 3:52:26pm

the dog marriers seem stuck in the same limbo zone as the fema camp roundups and grannies sentenced to die by the death panels

not to mention the wakeup call in the form of a mushroom cloud and other mixed metaphors involving phones and vegetables

89 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 3, 2015 3:52:34pm

RIP Sarah Brady

Sarah Brady, Widow of Former White House Press Secretary James Brady, Dies at 73

Sarah Kemp Brady, the widow of former White House Press Secretary James Brady, died Friday after battling pneumonia, her family said in a statement. She was 73.
Sarah Brady was an elementary school teacher who became a prominent gun control advocate after her husband was shot during the attempt on President Ronald Reagan’s life in 1981.

James Brady died last August.

90 HappyWarrior  Apr 3, 2015 3:53:43pm

re: #84 Kragar


Glenn Beck tells Glenn Greenwald: Progressives caused World War II

So what he actually said was America caused WWII by entering the Progressive Era

It goes back to Glenn(Beck’s) hatred of Wilson but what Beck ignores is that Wilson actually wanted less blame on Germany after WWI and had that happened, that could have changed things and not allowed Hitler to take advantage of discontent. Furthermore, the past US interventionist policies in which he criticizes were ones supported by conservative Republicans.

91 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 3, 2015 3:55:30pm

im not suffering from charoses of the liver

92 Charles Johnson  Apr 3, 2015 3:56:04pm
93 Justanotherhuman  Apr 3, 2015 3:58:20pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

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Beck must have paid him a lot of gold to keep silent.

94 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 3, 2015 3:59:30pm

re: #90 HappyWarrior

It goes back to Glenn(Beck’s) hatred of Wilson but what Beck ignores is that Wilson actually wanted less blame on Germany after WWI and had that happened, that could have changed things and not allowed Hitler to take advantage of discontent. Furthermore, the past US interventionist policies in which he criticizes were ones supported by conservative Republicans.

if we keep getting hung up on all these details, it won’t be possible to blame woodrow wilson for the income tax

95 Charles Johnson  Apr 3, 2015 4:00:14pm
96 b.d.  Apr 3, 2015 4:00:40pm

re: #90 HappyWarrior

It goes back to Glenn(Beck’s) hatred of Wilson but what Beck ignores is that Wilson actually wanted less blame on Germany after WWI and had that happened, that could have changed things and not allowed Hitler to take advantage of discontent. Furthermore, the past US interventionist policies in which he criticizes were ones supported by conservative Republicans.

You mean that punishing Germany so harshly in crippling terms where everyone would be totally screwed over there after WW1 wasn’t a great idea?

I’ve had it with wingnuts, they always want to blow stuff up and kill people but never think about:

A.) Them fighting back
B.) What happens after the shooting stops

Imagine us attacking Iran and them doing something. Of course it would be guerrilla in nature because that is the only was to logically compete with the strongest army in the history of the world, they’d freak and demand nuking them.

97 b.d.  Apr 3, 2015 4:01:51pm

re: #89 Shiplord Kirel

RIP Sarah Brady

Sarah Brady, Widow of Former White House Press Secretary James Brady, Dies at 73

James Brady died last August.

Sarah Brady is a good soul and fought very hard for the little bit of progress that this country has seen.

RIP

98 b.d.  Apr 3, 2015 4:03:16pm

re: #93 Justanotherhuman

Beck must have paid him a lot of gold to keep silent.

You should see the new additions to Greenwald’s heirloom seed collection.

99 Dark_Falcon  Apr 3, 2015 4:03:39pm

re: #58 Blind Frog Belly White

Blind pig…acorn…

To compare Pat Roberton to an illegal saloon is vile, and to compare him to the Obamination this was ACORN is unforgivable. You’re proof all Libtards are traitors!!1

Click to Reveal

In times past, a disguised and illegal saloon was sometimes called a “blind pig”.

100 b.d.  Apr 3, 2015 4:04:35pm

re: #95 Charles Johnson

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Beck and Greenwald are basically going after the same audience at this point and Alex Jones controls most of it.

101 Justanotherhuman  Apr 3, 2015 4:04:47pm

And Greenwald, after pronouncing Bush and Clinton “as sickening and depressing”, thinks the candidates should be Eliz Warren and Ted Cruz because

“… their views are so diametrically opposed. “Let’s have a real debate!” he said, adding that “in strange ways, their principles of the Constitution bind them together.”

mediaite.com

Such hackery cannot be forgiven.

102 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 3, 2015 4:05:10pm

truly, history will record that the jewish people in germany in the 30s suffered some criticism over a policy of not delivering pizza to nazis, after which they became rich from donations

the parallels are obvious!

103 Dark_Falcon  Apr 3, 2015 4:06:27pm

re: #97 b.d.

Sarah Brady is a good soul and fought very hard for the little bit of progress that this country has seen.

RIP

I never agreed with her cause, but I never doubted her sincerity, either. And her devotion to her husband was exemplary. And now they’ll be reunited in Heaven. Godspeed, Sarah Brady.

104 b.d.  Apr 3, 2015 4:11:06pm

re: #101 Justanotherhuman

And Greenwald, after pronouncing Bush and Clinton “as sickening and depressing”, thinks the candidates should be Eliz Warren and Ted Cruz because

“… their views are so diametrically opposed. “Let’s have a real debate!” he said, adding that “in strange ways, their principles of the Constitution bind them together.”

mediaite.com

Such hackery cannot be forgiven.

$5 says that Greenwald would vote for Cruz but he probably believes that he is above voting like commoners citizens do.

So having an extreme form each party (Warren isn’t extreme but play along) is the way it should be? No nuance allowed in the Greenwald universe? It’s either a mezcal shot with the worm or water? It’s either one extreme or another? That sounds like the way Greenwald judges others.

105 b.d.  Apr 3, 2015 4:13:22pm

Pressure, answering for his actions and reality. Glenn hates it:

106 Justanotherhuman  Apr 3, 2015 4:14:49pm

re: #105 b.d.

Pressure, answering for his actions and reality. Glenn hates it:

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Put up or shut up, GG. People are on to you.

107 Dark_Falcon  Apr 3, 2015 4:15:10pm

re: #90 HappyWarrior

It goes back to Glenn(Beck’s) hatred of Wilson but what Beck ignores is that Wilson actually wanted less blame on Germany after WWI and had that happened, that could have changed things and not allowed Hitler to take advantage of discontent. Furthermore, the past US interventionist policies in which he criticizes were ones supported by conservative Republicans.

Three points:

1. Its worth remembering that Woodrow Wilson sent US troops into Latin America several times (including into Mexico twice), so he can be legitimately criticized for interventionism.

2. Even after the Versailles became a vindictive document, Wilson still submitted to the US Senate and well-nigh demanded its ratification.

3. Republicans of other times have been interventionist, but the debate of the Versailles and League of Nations treaties saw the Democrat Wilson as the advocate of overseas involvement, with Republicans acting as the skeptics.

Also note that said Republicans were willing to pass the treaties, but wanted reservations to prevent what they feared would be America being drawn into wars in which we had no interest. They has a honest difference of opinion with Wilson and were not out to simply make him fail.

108 Dark_Falcon  Apr 3, 2015 4:17:57pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

109 Justanotherhuman  Apr 3, 2015 4:19:21pm

I think a contest between Bush and Clinton would seem normal compared to the political bullshit we’ve been seeing lately.

GG just hates it because Clinton will win. And as far as “dynasty” goes, it’s the Bushes who are the real dynasty, not the Clintons. I don’ see any scions of the Clintons running, do you? It just so happens that Bill married a smart, astute politician, whether or not anyone likes it.

110 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 3, 2015 4:21:36pm

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

Three points:

1. Its worth remembering that Woodrow Wilson sent US troops into Latin America several times (including into Mexico twice), so he can be legitimately criticized for interventionism.

2. Even after the Versailles became a vindictive document, Wilson still submitted to the US Senate and well-nigh demanded its ratification.

3. Republicans of other times have been interventionist, but the debate of the Versailles and League of Nations treaties saw the Democrat Wilson as the advocate of overseas involvement, with Republicans acting as the skeptics.

Also note that said Republicans were willing to pass the treaties, but wanted reservations to prevent what they feared would be America being drawn into wars in which we had no interest. They has a honest difference of opinion with Wilson and were not out to simply make him fail.

History of U.S. Interventions in Latin America

Argentina 1890 Troops Buenos Aires interests protected
Chile 1891 Troops Marines clash with nationalist rebels
Haiti 1891 Troops Black workers revolt on U.S.-claimed Navassa Island defeated
Nicaragua 1894 Troops Month-long occupation of Bluefields
Panama 1895 Naval, troops Marines land in Colombian province
Nicaragua 1896 Troops Marines land in port of Corinto
Cuba 1898- Naval, troops Seized from Spain, U.S. still holds Navy base at Guantanamo
Puerto Rico 1898- Naval, troops Seized from Spain, occupation continues
Nicaragua 1898 Troops Marines land at port of San Juan del Sur
Nicaragua 1899 Troops Marines land at port of Bluefields
Honduras 1903 Troops Marines intervene in revolution
Dominican Republic 1903-04 Troops U.S. interests protected in Revolution
Cuba 1906-09 Troops Marines land in democratic election
Nicaragua 1907 Troops “Dollar Diplomacy” protectorate set up
Honduras 1907 Troops Marines land during war with Nicaragua
Panama 1908 Troops Marines intervene in election contest
Nicaragua 1910 Troops Marines land in Bluefields and Corinto
Honduras 1911 Troops U.S. interests protected in civil war
Cuba 1912 Troops U.S. interests protected in Havana
Panama 1912 Troops Marines land during heated election
Honduras 1912 Troops Marines protect U.S. economic interests
Nicaragua 1912-33 Troops, bombing 20-year occupation, fought guerrillas
Mexico 1913 Naval Americans evacuated during revolution
Dominican Republic 1914 Naval Fight with rebels over Santo Domingo
Mexico 1914-18 Naval, troops Series of interventions against nationalists
Haiti 1914-34 Troops, bombing 19-year occupation after revolts
Dominican Republic 1916-24 Troops 8-year Marine occupation
Cuba 1917-33 Troops Military occupation, economic protectorate
Panama 1918-20 Troops “Police duty” during unrest after elections
Honduras 1919 Troops Marines land during election campaign
Guatemala 1920 Troops 2-week intervention against unionists
Costa Rica 1921 Troops
Panama 1921 Troops
Honduras 1924-25 Troops Landed twice during election strife
Panama 1925 Troops Marines suppress general strike
El Salvador 1932 Naval Warships sent during Faribundo Marti revolt
Uruguay 1947 Nuclear threat Bombers deployed as show of strength

im sorry what was your point there?

111 Justanotherhuman  Apr 3, 2015 4:21:47pm

Good. Hope he rots in jail.

112 jaunte  Apr 3, 2015 4:26:58pm
113 Dark_Falcon  Apr 3, 2015 4:27:37pm

re: #110 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

You know perfectly well what I was trying to say and I find your reply needlessly hostile.

114 Justanotherhuman  Apr 3, 2015 4:27:42pm

Where’s GG on these 2 innocent kids? ////

Officials: Army National Guard Specialist Hasan Edmonds, cousin Jonas Edmonds arrested by Chicago FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force, charged with conspiring to support terrorism; will be arraigned April 8 - statement
end of alert

militarytimes.com

115 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 3, 2015 4:31:46pm

re: #9 Eclectic Cyborg

The notion behind this is the gays represent one part of a group of people determined to break down all legal, moral and cultural barriers in society.

In other words, a group determined to send the world into a sex, drug and violence filled spiral of pure anarchy, where anything goes and God is outlawed.

But enough about Republicans. …

116 GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 3, 2015 4:33:29pm

Hey Pat. MOO!!!!!!

117 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 3, 2015 4:34:21pm

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

Three points:

1. Its worth remembering that Woodrow Wilson sent US troops into Latin America several times (including into Mexico twice), so he can be legitimately criticized for interventionism.

2. Even after the Versailles became a vindictive document, Wilson still submitted to the US Senate and well-nigh demanded its ratification.

3. Republicans of other times have been interventionist, but the debate of the Versailles and League of Nations treaties saw the Democrat Wilson as the advocate of overseas involvement, with Republicans acting as the skeptics.

Also note that said Republicans were willing to pass the treaties, but wanted reservations to prevent what they feared would be America being drawn into wars in which we had no interest. They has a honest difference of opinion with Wilson and were not out to simply make him fail.

Interestingly, one researcher posited that Wilson may have been suffering from the 1918 flu while he was negotiating the treaty, and therefore wasn’t right in the head. Make of that what you will.

118 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 3, 2015 4:34:43pm

re: #113 Dark_Falcon

You know perfectly well what I was trying to say and I find your reply needlessly hostile.

actually, no, i’m really not sure what you are trying to say

my point is that to single out any one president in the 20th century for criticism for ‘interventionism’ ignores a shit ton of history

perhaps we should single out coolidge as being ‘in favor of big government’ since he tolerated the income tax

119 Justanotherhuman  Apr 3, 2015 4:36:37pm

So, this traitor can have special privileges no one else in prison has? Who’s paying for all this? Fitzgibbon Media can’t be cheap.

Chelsea Manning Joins Twitter From Prison

nbcnews.com

120 b.d.  Apr 3, 2015 4:37:28pm

ICYMI:

tumblr.freebarrettbrown.org

Statement on the suspension of Barrett Brown’s e-mail access and BOP retaliation:

An hour or so after having used the system to contact a journalist about potential BOP wrongdoing, Barrett Brown’s access to the TRULINCS prisoner e-mail system was restricted, for a full year until April 2016, without explanation.

Barrett Brown LOL LOL LOL LOL

121 Jay C  Apr 3, 2015 4:41:11pm

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

Also note that said Republicans were willing to pass the treaties, but wanted reservations to prevent what they feared would be America being drawn into wars in which we had no interest. They has a honest difference of opinion with Wilson and were not out to simply make him fail.

I disagree with this notion: when Wilson presented the Versailles/League Of Nations treat(ies) to the Republican-controlled Senate, the Majority Leadership (headed by Henry Cabot Lodge, Sr.) used the opportunity not just to kill the Treaty, but seized on it as a national wedge issue in order to damage the Administration as much as they could: seeing it as a hot chance to grab public attention and, ultimately, votes; using the tried-and-true issue of “sovereignty” as a scare tactic. Which worked: especially after President Wilson stroked out during a national tour to promote the Treaty in 1919, and was functionally absent for most of the rest of his term.

122 Justanotherhuman  Apr 3, 2015 4:43:07pm

I couldn’t ever imagine a prisoner having a public relations outfit working for them.

Lawyers, sure, but a press agent? Decent prison accommodations, sure. Ethical and fair treatment, yes.

This is privilege far and beyond what prisoners ought to expect.

123 Justanotherhuman  Apr 3, 2015 4:44:20pm

TN alert!

Thunderstorm showing signs of rotation 40 miles west of Knoxville, Tenn., to approach city within the hour - @breakingweather
read more on accuweather.com

124 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 3, 2015 4:45:38pm

Damn. Big Gay is more powerful than I ever imagined!

125 Dark_Falcon  Apr 3, 2015 4:45:52pm

re: #118 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

actually, no, i’m really not sure what you are trying to say

my point is that to single out any one president in the 20th century for criticism for ‘interventionism’ ignores a shit ton of history

perhaps we should single out coolidge as being ‘in favor of big government’ since he tolerated the income tax

I wasn’t singling Wilson out, I was just noting he could be legitimately criticized on the issue. That was all.

126 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 3, 2015 4:47:58pm

re: #125 Dark_Falcon

I wasn’t singling Wilson out, I was just noting he could be legitimately criticized on the issue. That was all.

No, you were singling Wilson out based on his party affiliation. It was pretty apparent in your first comment.

127 b.d.  Apr 3, 2015 4:50:57pm

re: #123 Justanotherhuman

TN alert!

Thunderstorm showing signs of rotation 40 miles west of Knoxville, Tenn., to approach city within the hour - @breakingweather
read more on accuweather.com

Be careful all Tennessee lizards. This is the wrath of God coming down from that Indiana stuff but God’s maps, sadly, are out of date.

128 Dark_Falcon  Apr 3, 2015 4:51:28pm

re: #119 Justanotherhuman

So, this traitor can have special privileges no one else in prison has? Who’s paying for all this? Fitzgibbon Media can’t be cheap.

Chelsea Manning Joins Twitter From Prison

nbcnews.com

He’s a rotter who is right where he belongs (I do not acknowledge Manning’s claim to the female gender, as I consider him to lack all credibility). It’s worth noting that as a person under DoD custody, decisions on his access to communications are made by that department, while Barret Brown’s are handled via the Justice Departments Bureau of Prisons. In this case, I think DoD should follow the example of DoJ and not allow Manning access to Twitter. He’ll only use it to the detriment of the United States.

129 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 3, 2015 4:52:17pm

re: #125 Dark_Falcon

I wasn’t singling Wilson out, I was just noting he could be legitimately criticized on the issue. That was all.

surely after all the bitter words teddy roosevelt expended on castigating wilson for his reluctance to get involved in wwi he would find it ironic to hear wilson getting criticized for ‘interventionism’

130 #FergusonFireside  Apr 3, 2015 4:54:36pm

re: #112 jaunte

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Wow. Sad news, and I can’t believe these people are our neighbors.

131 HappyWarrior  Apr 3, 2015 4:55:28pm

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

Three points:

1. Its worth remembering that Woodrow Wilson sent US troops into Latin America several times (including into Mexico twice), so he can be legitimately criticized for interventionism.

2. Even after the Versailles became a vindictive document, Wilson still submitted to the US Senate and well-nigh demanded its ratification.

3. Republicans of other times have been interventionist, but the debate of the Versailles and League of Nations treaties saw the Democrat Wilson as the advocate of overseas involvement, with Republicans acting as the skeptics.

Also note that said Republicans were willing to pass the treaties, but wanted reservations to prevent what they feared would be America being drawn into wars in which we had no interest. They has a honest difference of opinion with Wilson and were not out to simply make him fail.

I’m aware of that. I’m just saying that blaming Wilson for WWII is nonsense and I’m hardly a Wilson fan.

132 #FergusonFireside  Apr 3, 2015 4:55:44pm

re: #114 Justanotherhuman

Where’s GG on these 2 innocent kids? ////

Officials: Army National Guard Specialist Hasan Edmonds, cousin Jonas Edmonds arrested by Chicago FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force, charged with conspiring to support terrorism; will be arraigned April 8 - statement
end of alert

militarytimes.com

Remember Elian? EEEEEEEEEEELEEEEEEEAIIIIIIIIIAAAAAAAAAN

133 HappyWarrior  Apr 3, 2015 4:57:13pm

re: #129 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

surely after all the bitter words teddy roosevelt expended on castigating wilson for his reluctance to get involved in wwi he would find it ironic to hear wilson getting criticized for ‘interventionism’

Not to mention that Wilson didn’t ask for a formal declaration of war against Germany 3 years after the war started. As I said I’m not a huge Wilson fan but the gripes Beck has against him are dishonest.

134 TedStriker  Apr 3, 2015 4:58:49pm
“It doesn’t matter what custom you’ve got, it doesn’t matter what holy thing that you worship and adore, the gays are going to get it,” Robertson said. “They’re going to make you conform to them. You are going to say you like anal sex, you like oral sex, you like bestiality, you like anything you can think of, whatever it is. And sooner or later you are going to have to conform your religious beliefs the group of some aberrant thing. It won’t stop at homosexuality.”

Robertson said that polygamy and “sex with animals” will “come next” as a result of the gay rights movement: “They’re going to be saying, ‘You’re intolerant, you’re intolerant, you’re trying to mitigate against these nice people who like dogs, what’s wrong with you?’”

What.The.Fuck?!?

135 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 3, 2015 5:01:08pm

re: #133 HappyWarrior

Not to mention that Wilson didn’t ask for a formal declaration of war against Germany 3 years after the war started. As I said I’m not a huge Wilson fan but the gripes Beck has against him are dishonest.

there has been a concerted effort to destroy wilson’s reputation by the right wing recently altho why pick on somebody who died over 90 years ago?

beats me

Did Woodrow Wilson Destroy the American Presidency?

136 HappyWarrior  Apr 3, 2015 5:02:50pm

re: #135 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

there has been a concerted effort to destroy wilson’s reputation by the right wing recently altho why pick on somebody who died over 90 years ago?

beats me

Did Woodrow Wilson Destroy the American Presidency?

Well we are talking about people like Glenn Beck who point to Lincoln as when everything went “downhill” because you know America before the 13th-15th amendments was such an awesome place so it’s really not a stretch to rag on Wilson IMO.

137 Dark_Falcon  Apr 3, 2015 5:03:05pm

re: #131 HappyWarrior

I’m aware of that. I’m just saying that blaming Wilson for WWII is nonsense and I’m hardly a Wilson fan.

Oh, that I agree with. He did not want the harsh peace that was ultimately imposed and he honestly tried to sort out the nationalisms of Eastern Europe. But he was pushed aside by French and British politicians who believed Germany needed to be hobbled and punished.

On a related note, Erik Larson has a new book on the sinking of the Lusitania that has just been released.

138 b.d.  Apr 3, 2015 5:03:25pm

re: #120 b.d.

ICYMI:

tumblr.freebarrettbrown.org

Barrett Brown LOL LOL LOL LOL

Barrett I’d love to help you out but I have to go and shoot the sh*t with Glenn Beck right now. Stay in touch….wait, strike that.

139 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 3, 2015 5:03:43pm

Just for the record, I consider it basic human decency to address someone who is trans by their preferred pronoun, even if I think they are pretty shitty people otherwise.

I’d rather not imply that only “good” transfolk are worthy of that respect.

140 #FergusonFireside  Apr 3, 2015 5:05:02pm

On the personal topic, which ya’ll need….I went to the expensive market and went crazy. I bought a smoked duck breast (salad tomorrow) some beef n cheese soup (breakfast) a fancy hamburger of lamb, beef & pork (freezer) and a huge frenched pork chop.

A stilton chunk, crackers. Prob tonight appetizer.

A blue cheese potato salad. Tonight.

Onions, Asparagus & tomatoes from the garden. Asparagus def tonight.

I’m making the pork chop tonight.

I’ve been on a terrible take out routine. I’m gonna get better

141 HappyWarrior  Apr 3, 2015 5:05:17pm

re: #137 Dark_Falcon

Oh, that I agree with. He did not want the harsh peace that was ultimately imposed and he honestly tried to sort out the nationalisms of Eastern Europe. But he was pushed aside by French and British politicians who believed Germany needed to be hobbled and punished.

On a related note, Erik Larson has a new book on the sinking of the Lusitania that has just been released.

Yeah I saw the new Larson book on the sinking today. I want to read that. I loved his work on the ambassador in the Garden of the Beasts. Great read if you haven’t read it. I blame Lloyd George and Clemeanceau more than Wilson for forcing the harsh terms on Germany which allowed the environment that Hitler operated under to exist. But ultimately I blame Hitler himself for WWII. He after all is the one who annexed Austria, invaded Czechoslovakia, and Poland.

142 HappyWarrior  Apr 3, 2015 5:06:28pm

re: #139 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Just for the record, I consider it basic human decency to address someone who is trans by their preferred pronoun, even if I think they are pretty shitty people otherwise.

I’d rather not imply that only “good” transfolk are worthy of that respect.

Not sure what you’re referring into specific but I agree. I also don’t make “Man Coulter” jokes anymore. It’s immature and juvenile.

143 #FergusonFireside  Apr 3, 2015 5:09:46pm

Oh! My Mom told me about the novel she’s reading. Valerie Plame and another person (sorry other person)

She said it’s about jihad terrorism that that happens, but surprise, it’s Baptists! They faked the Muslim part.

Sorry if I blew it, but we should check out the novel.

144 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 3, 2015 5:14:12pm

re: #140 #FergusonFireside

On the personal topic, which ya’ll need….I went to the expensive market and went crazy. I bought a smoked duck breast (salad tomorrow) some beef n cheese soup (breakfast) a fancy hamburger of lamb, beef & pork (freezer) and a huge frenched pork chop.

A stilton chunk, crackers. Prob tonight appetizer.

A blue cheese potato salad. Tonight.

Onions, Asparagus & tomatoes from the garden. Asparagus def tonight.

I’m making the pork chop tonight.

I’ve been on a terrible take out routine. I’m gonna get better

So, party at ferguson’s house :D

145 De Kolta Chair  Apr 3, 2015 5:17:34pm

re: #135 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Did Woodrow Wilson Destroy the American Presidency?

DID WOODROW WILSON’S WIFE DESTROY THE AMERICAN PRESIDENTY???!!1!

146 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 3, 2015 5:33:05pm

re: #128 Dark_Falcon

Sorry DF, but though I consider Ms. Manning to be a sad example of what the Army should be, I know too many trans people and the problems they face. I use the preferred pronouns anyone asks for. In her case, she identifies as female so therefor it is “she” whom I’ll refer to.

Do onto others as you would have them do onto you, right? Even in matters of simple decency and pronouns.

147 #FergusonFireside  Apr 3, 2015 5:38:45pm

re: #144 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

So, party at ferguson’s house :D

Short 4 hour flight. Do it!!

148 Sophist -- Missouri Goddamn  Apr 4, 2015 4:03:17am

re: #128 Dark_Falcon

…(I do not acknowledge Manning’s claim to the female gender, as I consider him to lack all credibility).

That is because you are an enormous asshole.

149 nkdee  Apr 4, 2015 5:39:04am

Not only Uncle Pat. Within the last couple of days potential Presidential candidate Mike Huckabee said that gay right advocates “will not stop until there are no more churches”.

150 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 4, 2015 5:54:09am

re: #62 thedopefishlives

This is a discussion Mrs. Fish and I have had numerous times. Christian churches preach a lot about the evils of premarital sex, but they do a piss-poor job of explaining just what sex is like and how married people can enjoy it. As a result, young married Christian couples often wind up having severe marital difficulties because they’re completely ignorant about ways to enjoy the fitting of Tab A into Slot B.

They get the message that sex is filthy and animalistic, which which is why you should save for marriage.


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