Horrible Video of SC Cop Shooting a Black Man in The Back

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This video is just awful and very difficult to watch; it shows a police officer in North Charleston, South Carolina, shooting a black man eight times in the back as he ran away, and killing him. Then the cop plants evidence on the man as he dies.

The cop was charged with murder today, for obvious reasons.

WASHINGTON — A white police officer in North Charleston, S.C., was charged with murder on Tuesday after a video surfaced showing him shooting and killing an apparently unarmed black man in the back while he ran away.

The officer, Michael T. Slager, 33, had said he feared for his life because the man took his stun gun in a scuffle after a traffic stop on Saturday. A video, however, shows the officer firing eight times as the man fled. The North Charleston mayor announced the state charges at a news conference Tuesday evening.

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The video begins in the vacant lot, apparently moments after Officer Slager fired his Taser. Wires, which carry the electrical current from the stun gun, appear to be extending from Mr. Scott’s body as the two men tussle and Mr. Scott turns to run.

Something — it is not clear whether it is the stun gun — is either tossed or knocked to the ground behind the two men and Officer Slager draws his gun, the video shows. When the officer fires, Mr. Scott appears to be 15 to 20 feet away and fleeing. He falls after the last of eight shots.

The officer then runs back toward where the initial scuffle occurred and picks something off the ground. Moments later, he drops an object near Mr. Scott’s body, the video shows.

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585 comments
1 thedopefishlives  Apr 7, 2015 3:58:50pm

The only reason this cop is getting charged is because there is indisputable video evidence. I hate to say it because I have family who are good cops, but let’s face it - there are a lot of “bad apples” in police forces across the country, enough to make you wonder if it’s a systemic problem.

2 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2015 3:59:23pm

The video also shows the officer planting the taser by Mr. Scott’s body.

3 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2015 4:00:15pm
4 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 7, 2015 4:00:35pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

The video also shows the officer planting the taser by Mr. Scott’s body.

The video also does not show Mr. Scott receiving CPR, from what I have read.

From the article:

Police reports say that officers performed CPR and delivered first aid to Mr. Scott. The video shows that for several minutes after the shooting, Mr. Scott remained face down with his hands cuffed behind his back. A second officer arrives, puts on blue medical gloves and attends to Mr. Scott, but is not shown performing CPR. As sirens wail in the background, a third officer arrives later, apparently with a medical kit, but also not seen performing CPR.

5 Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2015 4:02:08pm
6 Nyet  Apr 7, 2015 4:02:37pm

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not so smug now, eh.

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7 ObserverArt  Apr 7, 2015 4:03:07pm

That cop could have run after and tackled the older man as he wasn’t even moving all that swiftly.

This better send a message to all of America: We have a policing problem. Let’s see how many politicians have the guts to make it an issue. I am not confident.

8 Khal Wimpo  Apr 7, 2015 4:07:24pm

re: #4 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The video also does not show Mr. Scott receiving CPR, from what I have read.

In California, that would mean that all the cops who signed off on that report would be gone.

You cannot keep a cop on the force, after he lies on an official police report. His testimony in any case is automatically worthless.

That, of course, is merely the tip of the iceberg with the problems with this department, it seems. For an office to be this out-of-control means that the sergeants, lieutenants and all the way up to captains were failing to exercise adequate supervisorial oversight. Start by bringing cases and building jackets on upper management. At that point, all kinds of stuff starts oozing out as the superiors all drag out the dirt and sling at each other to try to hang onto their miserable jobs.

9 CuriousLurker  Apr 7, 2015 4:08:10pm

re: #7 ObserverArt

That cop could have run after and tackled the older man as he wasn’t even moving all that swiftly.

This better send a message to all of America: We have a policing problem. Let’s see how many politicians have the guts to make it an issue. I am not confident.

This. Must. Stop.

10 Kid A  Apr 7, 2015 4:10:49pm

Can’t wait to see how the conservaderps spin this one.

11 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2015 4:11:41pm
12 thedopefishlives  Apr 7, 2015 4:12:28pm

re: #10 Kid A

Can’t wait to see how the conservaderps spin this one.

He was running away, he must have done something wrong, therefore justified shooting

Just wait for it.

13 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2015 4:13:00pm
14 Khal Wimpo  Apr 7, 2015 4:13:30pm

It’ll get worse before it gets better, once you start down this path. Law enforcement departments that have lost their way, to the point where they feel they can shoot fleeing suspects in the back, and nobody seems to think this is in any way wrong … these are departments where the entire culture is now dysfunctional and perhaps criminal.

It’s only when you start bringing cases against top management that the shit starts to come out.

You need a city manager and council with balls of steel to hold the course through investigations like this, as well as an outside chief who can come in and provide a moral compass to a department where the cops are in some cases, indistinguishable from the criminals. In L.A., this used to be Mike Berkow, who worked his way up from chief of South Pasadena, to Irvine, and eventually to head I.A. at the LAPD.

15 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2015 4:14:12pm
16 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 4:14:33pm

re: #10 Kid A

Can’t wait to see how the conservaderps spin this one.

“It was a bad decision made in the heat of the moment, and the cop was just relying upon his training to protect himself. Besides, we have no way of knowing what happened before this video, so the guy could have been hopped up and drugs and all sorts of violent! The cop was protecting other civilians by shooting him!”

17 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 7, 2015 4:15:04pm

somebody posted earlier that there should be an app that can automatically upload to the cloud for situations like that. I believe that the ACLU has one like that… aclu.org

RBS

18 Skip Intro  Apr 7, 2015 4:15:51pm

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s got a purty mouth. I hope he enjoys his life in jail.

19 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2015 4:15:56pm
20 Nyet  Apr 7, 2015 4:15:57pm

re: #11 Justanotherhuman

Interestingly, he does this in full view of the black officer. Then a minute later he apparently picks it up and puts it in the holster.

21 Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2015 4:16:59pm

Chuck Johnson has just outed another sexual assault victim.

22 retired cynic  Apr 7, 2015 4:17:18pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

Oh, no….

23 thedopefishlives  Apr 7, 2015 4:17:34pm

re: #17 RealityBasedSteve

somebody posted earlier that there should be an app that can automatically upload to the cloud for situations like that. I believe that the ACLU has one like that… aclu.org

RBS

I mentioned that downstairs. I’m glad to see that there is such a thing. I mainly worry about the legality in states that require two-party consent.

24 retired cynic  Apr 7, 2015 4:17:47pm

Lot of downers here!

25 Nyet  Apr 7, 2015 4:18:15pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

Chuck Johnson has just outed another sexual assault victim.

Alleged victim.

Former UH student Tyler Strong has been found not guilty on all counts relating to an alleged sex assault in a dorm room on campus.

26 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2015 4:18:20pm

re: #20 Nyet

Interestingly, he does this in full view of the black officer. Then a minute later he apparently picks it up and puts it in the holster.

I hope that Black officer spilled his guts to internal affairs and outs this guy completely. But there’s that “thin blue line” at work, also.

27 Lumberhead  Apr 7, 2015 4:19:43pm

And the Fox News contingent still won’t understand why African-Americans easily believed that Michael Brown was surrendering.

28 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 7, 2015 4:20:46pm

re: #26 Justanotherhuman

I hope that Black officer spilled his guts to internal affairs and outs this guy completely. But there’s that “thin blue line” at work, also.

it’s a pity that policeone.com has shut itself off from the public. I’m sure the comments there would be MOST revealing of the “Us vs Them” mindset

RBS

29 thedopefishlives  Apr 7, 2015 4:21:23pm

re: #25 Nyet

Alleged victim.

Alleged or not, it’s still a horrible thing to do in the current political climate, where people feel free to make death threats against anyone who has made allegations - proven or otherwise - of sexual assault.

30 Kid A  Apr 7, 2015 4:21:40pm

I wonder if the other officers at the scene that didn’t administer CPR will be charged with anything.

31 Nyet  Apr 7, 2015 4:23:09pm

re: #29 thedopefishlives

Certainly. My point is that she shouldn’t be called just a victim unless there is strong evidence that the jury decision was tainted (which obviously happens, but always needs to be demonstrated).

32 Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2015 4:23:38pm

re: #25 Nyet

Yes, he was acquitted, so “alleged” is a better way to put it. But there’s a reason why plaintiff’s names are not released to the public in cases like these. Chuck Johnson is a fucking menace to society.

33 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 7, 2015 4:23:49pm

re: #31 Nyet

Certainly. My point is that she shouldn’t be called just a victim unless there is strong evidence that the jury decision was tainted (which obviously happens, but always needs to be demonstrated).

…can we call a murder victim a victim if no one ever gets prosecuted for a crime?

34 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 4:24:04pm

Things seem to be running about 50/50 or so amongst the Freepers. There’s a few who are trying to exonerate this guy based upon his version of events, but there are plenty of others who are giving those few a thumping on the head because of existence of the video and how sharply it contradicts the cop’s story.

35 Nyet  Apr 7, 2015 4:24:22pm

re: #33 klys (maker of Silmarils)

…can we call a murder victim a victim if no one ever gets prosecuted for a crime?

Yes, because obviously there was a murder.

36 De Kolta Chair  Apr 7, 2015 4:24:29pm

re: #27 Lumberhead

And the Fox News contingent still won’t understand why African-Americans easily believed that Michael Brown was surrendering.

Unlike the average two year-old, they’re still trying to figure out crayons.

37 Kid A  Apr 7, 2015 4:24:29pm
38 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 4:25:50pm

re: #37 Kid A

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About trying to limit the city’s liability in the wake of the video’s release. Otherwise we’d be hearing a much different tune.

39 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 7, 2015 4:26:36pm

re: #35 Nyet

Yes, because obviously there was a murder.

I’m just curious what level of proof you require to call someone a victim in the case of sexual assault, even without a conviction. Bruises? Toxicology tests?

40 Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2015 4:26:48pm

Chuck’s post is absolutely disgusting.

41 Drive By Commenter  Apr 7, 2015 4:26:53pm

Jesus Christ. HE EMPTIED THE CLIP INTO HIS BACK.

42 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 7, 2015 4:27:00pm

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

Is anyone else having a problem with embedded tweets showing just the top 4th of the Tweet? This is what I’m getting:

43 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 7, 2015 4:27:12pm

re: #42 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Is anyone else having a problem with embedded tweets showing just the top 4th of the Tweet? This is what I’m getting:

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Firefox bug.

44 Kid A  Apr 7, 2015 4:27:15pm

Mr. Scott was driving a Mercedes-Benz and was late on child support. You just know the wingers will be all over that in three seconds.

45 Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2015 4:27:30pm

re: #42 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

It’s a bug in Firefox. Nothing I can do to fix it, unfortunately.

46 Nyet  Apr 7, 2015 4:28:30pm

re: #39 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m just curious what level of proof you require to call someone a victim in the case of sexual assault, even without a conviction. Bruises? Toxicology tests?

Unless you missed it, this case has been adjudicated in a court of law. The accused was found not guilty. Hence the very claim of a sexual assault in this case is in question (to put it mildly). You murder analogy is obviously false.

47 thedopefishlives  Apr 7, 2015 4:29:21pm

re: #44 Kid A

Mr. Scott was driving a Mercedes-Benz and was late on child support. You just know the wingers will be all over that in three seconds.

The posts are writing themselves in my head - the curse of being an ex-wingnut - but I refuse to reproduce them here. It’s too vile even for the wingnut tag.

48 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2015 4:30:06pm
49 Lumberhead  Apr 7, 2015 4:30:48pm

Is the GoFundMe page for the cop up yet?

50 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 7, 2015 4:31:38pm

re: #42 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Is anyone else having a problem with embedded tweets showing just the top 4th of the Tweet? This is what I’m getting:

Sorry, screenshot software freaked on me.

51 thedopefishlives  Apr 7, 2015 4:31:47pm

re: #48 Justanotherhuman

Fuck.

52 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2015 4:31:55pm
53 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2015 4:33:51pm
54 Kid A  Apr 7, 2015 4:33:52pm

re: #49 Lumberhead

Has Fox News offered the cop an exclusive “My story: What REALLY happened” interview yet?

55 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 7, 2015 4:34:03pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

It’s a bug in Firefox. Nothing I can do to fix it, unfortunately.

OK, thanks. Sucks, because Chrome has become slow, and I thought I’d switch back to FF to see how it is.

Back to the drawing board. :/

56 Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 7, 2015 4:34:52pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

Chuck’s post is absolutely disgusting.

So on the one hand, he considers himself a one-man doxxing squad to out women whom he believes have made false accusations of rape or sexual assault, and on the other he accuses Allen West of sexual assault without being able to produce a single accuser.

Basically, he has no consistency, no morals, no limits, no integrity. Just a blog, a Twitter account, and an internet connection.

Welcome to citizen journalism.

57 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 7, 2015 4:35:04pm

re: #49 Lumberhead

Is the GoFundMe page for the cop up yet?

How sad is it that I can’t even find the dark humor in this anymore?

58 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 4:35:39pm

Film them every time you are around them.

I am beyond thankful for camera phones. They are changing the fucking death equation.

Can you imagine how many dead, justified by a cop’s fear for his life?

Since Mike Brown we have seen the epidemic.

I’m so pissed.

59 Lumberhead  Apr 7, 2015 4:35:50pm

re: #54 Kid A

Has Fox News offered the cop an exclusive “My story: What REALLY happened” interview yet?

Hannity’s producer is working on it right now.

60 Kid A  Apr 7, 2015 4:36:03pm

Has Walter Scott been called a thug yet?

61 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 7, 2015 4:36:17pm

re: #44 Kid A

Mr. Scott was driving a Mercedes-Benz and was late on child support. You just know the wingers will be all over that in three seconds.

Yeah, they won’t quite grasp the fact that certain M-Bs have a huge depreciation.

62 Nyet  Apr 7, 2015 4:36:57pm

re: #58 #FergusonFireside

Film them every time you are around them.

I am beyond thankful for camera phones. They are changing the fucking death equation.

Can you imagine how many dead, justified by a cop’s fear for his life?

Since Mike Brown we have seen the epidemic.

I’m so pissed.

They are trying to push the anti-recording laws through.

63 thedopefishlives  Apr 7, 2015 4:37:08pm

re: #60 Kid A

Has Walter Scott been called as thug yet?

Nope, but it is only a matter of time.

64 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 7, 2015 4:37:37pm

re: #58 #FergusonFireside

Film them every time you are around them.

I am beyond thankful for camera phones. They are changing the fucking death equation.

Since Mike Brown we have seen the epidemic.

I’m so pissed.

I’d say there’s the potential to change the death equation. Until one of them is convicted, the equation isn’t so much changed as adjusted for independent variables.

65 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 7, 2015 4:37:59pm

re: #56 Blind Frog Belly White

So on the one hand, he considers himself a one-man doxxing squad to out women whom he believes have made false accusations of rape or sexual assault, and on the other he accuses Allen West of sexual assault without being able to produce a single accuser.

Basically, he has no consistency, no morals, no limits, no integrity. Just a blog, a Twitter account, and an internet connection.

Welcome to citizen journalism.

There is also his own experience in college of being charged with harassment of his ex-girlfriend, which he managed to skate away from by turning the tables on her.
claremontconservative.com

66 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 4:38:09pm

re: #8 Khal Wimpo

In California, that would mean that all the cops who signed off on that report would be gone.

You cannot keep a cop on the force, after he lies on an official police report. His testimony in any case is automatically worthless.

That, of course, is merely the tip of the iceberg with the problems with this department, it seems. For an office to be this out-of-control means that the sergeants, lieutenants and all the way up to captains were failing to exercise adequate supervisorial oversight. Start by bringing cases and building jackets on upper management. At that point, all kinds of stuff starts oozing out as the superiors all drag out the dirt and sling at each other to try to hang onto their miserable jobs.

It really is a you are less human problem.

I’ve read pulled over for tail light & wanted for child support warrant. Not sure which or both but FUCK THIS, those offenses are not death sentences.

67 Mattand  Apr 7, 2015 4:39:48pm

re: #60 Kid A

Has Walter Scott been called a thug yet?

Not that I’m aware of. but I haven’t looked at my one cousin’s FB in a while. I’m sure he’ll be whitesplaining this one soon.

68 thedopefishlives  Apr 7, 2015 4:39:49pm

re: #58 #FergusonFireside

Film them every time you are around them.

I am beyond thankful for camera phones. They are changing the fucking death equation.

Can you imagine how many dead, justified by a cop’s fear for his life?

Since Mike Brown we have seen the epidemic.

I’m so pissed.

I mentioned before, I saw a mentally handicapped black person walking across the street behind me one day a few months back. When a squad of St. Paul Police walked by going the other way, I instinctively reached for my iPhone and flicked it to camera mode in my pocket. It depressed me that that was my first reaction, but unfortunately, it’s becoming necessary as part of being a diligent citizen.

69 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 7, 2015 4:40:27pm

re: #66 #FergusonFireside

It really is a you are less human problem.

I’ve read pulled over for tail light & wanted for child support warrant. Not sure which or both but FUCK THIS, those offenses are not death sentences.

The tail light is one of the go-to I-Want-To-Pull-This-Person-Over-And-Fuck-With-Them cards for the police. There’s no inspection in S.C., IIRC, so if you aren’t consistently checking or someone tells you, you could go a long time with a taillight out.

(I drove for 5 years without a yearly inspection in SC, which may have changed).

70 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 4:40:46pm

re: #20 Nyet

Interestingly, he does this in full view of the black officer. Then a minute later he apparently picks it up and puts it in the holster.

She’s under code blue. Won’t talk because of the job, I betcha.

This is seriously mafia shit.

71 Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 7, 2015 4:41:31pm

re: #61 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Yeah, they won’t quite grasp the fact that certain M-Bs have a huge depreciation.

Indeed. A quick look at kbb.com, just looking at the basic C-class model from 2000. Even in Excellent condition, under $3000. About the same as a Toyota Camry of the same vintage.

72 Mattand  Apr 7, 2015 4:41:39pm

re: #56 Blind Frog Belly White

So on the one hand, he considers himself a one-man doxxing squad to out women whom he believes have made false accusations of rape or sexual assault, and on the other he accuses Allen West of sexual assault without being able to produce a single accuser.

Basically, he has no consistency, no morals, no limits, no integrity. Just a blog, a Twitter account, and an internet connection.

Welcome to citizen journalism.

This is why I basically roll my eyes whenever I hear some tech guru spout off about the wisdom of the crowds. I prefer Tommy Lee Jones’s take in the first Men in Black.

73 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 4:42:21pm

re: #28 RealityBasedSteve

it’s a pity that policeone.com has shut itself off from the public. I’m sure the comments there would be MOST revealing of the “Us vs Them” mindset

RBS

They did? Of course they did.

We need some hero in blue.

74 Nyet  Apr 7, 2015 4:43:05pm

re: #73 #FergusonFireside

They did? Of course they did.

We need some hero in blue.

New Serpico?

75 jaunte  Apr 7, 2015 4:43:38pm
76 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 4:43:56pm

re: #37 Kid A

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The gofundme is probably being typed out, if it hasn’t been posted yet.

77 Nyet  Apr 7, 2015 4:44:09pm

re: #60 Kid A

Has Walter Scott been called a thug yet?

I tried breitbart, but their disqus comments won’t load for me. Otherwise I’m sure the comments are full of it.

78 Drive By Commenter  Apr 7, 2015 4:44:22pm

I always fear for my life as a person RUNS THE FUCK AWAY FROM ME.

79 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 7, 2015 4:44:33pm

re: #73 #FergusonFireside

They did? Of course they did.

We need some hero in blue.

IIRC, BWS reported that when they shut it down after Ferguson trash talk started bleeding out to big media.

I can’t imagine there isn’t a Lizard with a LE background who couldn’t infiltrate. A whistleblower who’d be doing some good.

80 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 7, 2015 4:45:10pm

re: #46 Nyet

Unless you missed it, this case has been adjudicated in a court of law. The accused was found not guilty. Hence the very claim of a sexual assault in this case is in question (to put it mildly). You murder analogy is obviously false.

Thanks, but I can read. I was talking about more in general, but I don’t think this discussion is likely to be productive at this point, so here’s, a misplaced comma instead.

81 Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 7, 2015 4:46:02pm

re: #72 Mattand

This is why I basically roll my eyes whenever I hear some tech guru spout off about the wisdom of the crowds. I prefer Tommy Lee Jones’s take in the first Men in Black.

I remember following several major events - elections here, natural disaters and protests abroad, mass killings in the US, most notably Boston. In every case, the ‘citizen journalists’ posting on Twitter, etc. were jumping on stories with no sourcing and spinning them into a whole picture which almost invariably turned out to be wrong. Hell, even ‘professional’ journalists can get it wildly wrong, like the story in the NY Post about the Saudi student.

82 jaunte  Apr 7, 2015 4:46:18pm
83 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 4:46:29pm

re: #48 Justanotherhuman

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We’ve got a very big problem America. And it ain’t Isis or Iran.

Fucks just don’t give a shit of what’s happening.

84 Nyet  Apr 7, 2015 4:47:35pm

re: #80 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Thanks, but I can read. I was talking about more in general

Well, I’m not predisposed to comment “in general” where there cannot be “general rules” in such complicated matters, and I was commenting on a specific case.

Have a kitten.

85 Mattand  Apr 7, 2015 4:48:10pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

Chuck Johnson has just outed another sexual assault victim.

I’m not personally wishing any harm on him, despite his lack of humanity. That’d put me on his level.

That said, this guy is one of those people that, IMO, has zero redeeming qualities and would not be missed if he disappeared forever.

I’ve never seen one person so consistently try to visit as much pain as possible to others; often those who are already getting kicked in the teeth by life.

It’s pretty much the walking definition of a sociopath.

86 Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 7, 2015 4:48:21pm

re: #75 jaunte

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Again, my cynical expectation is that now that Holder’s DOJ is looking into this, the Right will start getting behind the killer cop.

87 A Cranky One  Apr 7, 2015 4:48:30pm

re: #80 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Thanks, but I can read. I was talking about more in general, but I don’t think this discussion is likely to be productive at this point, so here’s, a misplaced comma instead.

Ow, my eyes! How could you?

/

88 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 4:49:31pm

re: #61 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Yeah, they won’t quite grasp the fact that certain M-Bs have a huge depreciation.

Blaming the dead guy. Of course.

We’ll know more about Mr. Scott in due time.

People. We must realize we have not left the 50’s. It’s just CHANGED.

89 Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 7, 2015 4:49:44pm

re: #80 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Thanks, but I can read. I was talking about more in general, but I don’t think this discussion is likely to be productive at this point, so here’s, a misplaced comma instead.

Comma, comma, comma, comma comedienne.

90 Skip Intro  Apr 7, 2015 4:49:48pm

re: #83 #FergusonFireside

We’ve got a very big problem America. And it ain’t Isis or Iran.

Fucks just don’t give a shit of what’s happening.

But foreign boogiemen are so much more palatable. We certainly don’t want to talk about the Tyrannosaurus Rex right here in the room with us.

American Exceptionalism and all that, you know.

91 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 4:50:02pm

re: #82 jaunte

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How exactly did Scott intend to use it after it had been fired? Unless this is some new taser whose construction I’m not familiar with, it’s a one-shot affair, you have to physically remove a back-up set of darts from the grip and load them into the front of the device. Otherwise, the most it can do is operate as a contact taser.

And Scott struggled for the taser, took it and then…what? Ran away with it? Come on, in what world does that make any sense. This guy’s report should have fallen apart as soon as the autopsy results came back, it should not have required video evidence.

92 jaunte  Apr 7, 2015 4:50:17pm

Attorney: Officer who shot man Saturday believes he followed proper procedure

Police and witnesses say Scott tried to run from Slager before turning to fight for the officer’s Taser. It was during that scuffle that the officer fired his service weapon, fatally wounding Scott.

According to an incident report, officers heard Slager say over the radio that he had deployed his Taser and “seconds later” he said “Shots fired and the subject is down. He took my Taser.”

Oh wait, you have video?

93 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 7, 2015 4:50:47pm

re: #81 Blind Frog Belly White

I remember following several major events - elections here, natural disaters and protests abroad, mass killings in the US, most notably Boston. In every case, the ‘citizen journalists’ posting on Twitter, etc. were jumping on stories with no sourcing and spinning them into a whole picture which almost invariably turned out to be wrong. Hell, even ‘professional’ journalists can get it wildly wrong, like the story in the NY Post about the Saudi student.

It’s complicated. IDK that we’d have had some of the images and stories out of Ferguson, Egypt, Iran, etc. without citizens on the ground. That said, there’s inevitably going to be a lot of noise to signal. Hell, Rolling Stone just fucked up an enormous story with a string of editors and an established journalist.

94 Skip Intro  Apr 7, 2015 4:51:01pm

re: #86 Blind Frog Belly White

Again, my cynical expectation is that now that Holder’s DOJ is looking into this, the Right will start getting behind the killer cop.

I know one guy who will. Hint: his initials are CCJ.

95 thedopefishlives  Apr 7, 2015 4:51:16pm

re: #92 jaunte

Attorney: Officer who shot man Saturday believes he followed proper procedure

Oh wait, you have video?

He followed proper procedure. He looked around to make sure that no one was watching before killing the guy. The fact that he missed an eyewitness is just bad luck and he can’t be blamed.

96 jaunte  Apr 7, 2015 4:51:17pm
97 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 4:51:17pm

re: #62 Nyet

They are trying to push the anti-recording laws through.

Of course they are. Fuck them. Arrest me.

Only in a bought and paid for police union local government (all of them, probably) will this pass.

Troubles. I see troubles.

98 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 4:52:00pm

re: #92 jaunte

Attorney: Officer who shot man Saturday believes he followed proper procedure

Oh wait, you have video?

According to an incident report, officers heard Slager say over the radio that he had deployed his Taser and “seconds later” he said “Shots fired and the subject is down. He took my Taser.”

Well, that probably explains why he tried to plant evidence.

99 plansbandc  Apr 7, 2015 4:52:04pm

Holy shit. This has to stop. NOW.

100 Eventual Carrion  Apr 7, 2015 4:52:13pm

re: #44 Kid A

Mr. Scott was driving a Mercedes-Benz and was late on child support. You just know the wingers will be all over that in three seconds.

So did Joe Walsh and I don’t think he should be shot in the back.

101 Skip Intro  Apr 7, 2015 4:52:17pm

re: #95 thedopefishlives

He followed proper procedure. He looked around to make sure that no one was watching before killing the guy. The fact that he missed an eyewitness is just bad luck and he can’t be blamed.

I see a “poor vision” defense coming up. If his eyes were good, he would have shot the witness too.

102 Kid A  Apr 7, 2015 4:52:48pm

Curious. If it was a routine traffic stop, why was Scott out of the car? I’m assuming he had a warrant for the late child support, and the cop was arresting him for it?

103 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 7, 2015 4:53:33pm

re: #58 #FergusonFireside

Film them every time you are around them.

I am beyond thankful for camera phones. They are changing the fucking death equation.

Can you imagine how many dead, justified by a cop’s fear for his life?

Since Mike Brown we have seen the epidemic.

I’m so pissed.

I read last week that American police killed more people in March (around 3 a day) than were killed by UK police since 1900.

Get your big green foam finger, ‘cause we’re number fucking one.

104 jaunte  Apr 7, 2015 4:53:35pm
105 Skip Intro  Apr 7, 2015 4:55:04pm

re: #104 jaunte

I think that’s a good idea. Are there any civilized countries the witness could go to?

106 gwangung  Apr 7, 2015 4:55:15pm

re: #46 Nyet

Unless you missed it, this case has been adjudicated in a court of law. The accused was found not guilty. Hence the very claim of a sexual assault in this case is in question (to put it mildly). .

That’s pushing the line wayyyyyy too far.

Accused was found not guilty. And that’s all. That covers everything from no sexual assault occurred at all to he said/she said ambiguity to unable show beyond a reasonable doubt (but in all likelihood he probably did it).

107 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 7, 2015 4:55:36pm
Police officers may not confiscate or demand to view your digital photographs or video without a warrant. The Supreme Court has ruled that police may not search your cell phone when they arrest you, unless they get a warrant. Although the court did not specifically rule on whether law enforcement may search other electronic devices such as a standalone camera, the ACLU believes that the constitution broadly prevents warrantless searches of your digital data. It is possible that courts may approve the temporary warrantless seizure of a camera in certain extreme “exigent” circumstances such as where necessary to save a life, or where police have a reasonable, good-faith belief that doing so is necessary to prevent the destruction of evidence of a crime while they seek a warrant.
Police may not delete your photographs or video under any circumstances. Officers have faced felony charges of evidence tampering as well as obstruction and theft for taking a photographer’s memory card.
Police officers may legitimately order citizens to cease activities that are truly interfering with legitimate law enforcement operations. Professional officers, however, realize that such operations are subject to public scrutiny, including by citizens photographing them.
Note that the right to photograph does not give you a right to break any other laws. For example, if you are trespassing to take photographs, you may still be charged with trespass.

ACLU
OTOH,

Good Government / Article
December 5 2014

The Illinois General Assembly just passed a bill that would prevent citizens from recording the police.

Earlier this year, the Illinois Supreme Court struck down a state eavesdropping law that made it a crime for citizens to record conversations with police or anyone else without the other person’s permission. The court held that the old law “criminalize[d] a wide range of innocent conduct” and violated free-speech rights. In particular, the court noted the state could not criminalize recording activities where there is no reasonable expectation of privacy, including citizens’ “public” encounters with police.

Now the old law is back, with just a few changes, in a new bill sent to the governor’s desk by the Illinois Senate on Dec. 4. The bill not only passed, but did so overwhelmingly with votes of 106-7 in the House on and 46-4-1 in the Senate.

The new version is nearly as bad as the old one.

Under the new bill, a citizen could rarely be sure whether recording any given conversation without permission is legal. The bill would make it a felony to surreptitiously record any “private conversation,” which it defines as any “oral communication between 2 or more persons,” where at least one person involved had a “reasonable expectation” of privacy.

Illinois is a 2-party state. Technically, you could record video, but not audio, and be on the safe side.

108 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2015 4:55:36pm

re: #102 Kid A

Curious. If it was a routine traffic stop, why was Scott out of the car? I’m assuming he had a warrant for the late child support, and the cop was arresting him for it?

That would be waaaay out of the car, from the looks of the video.

109 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 4:55:51pm

re: #68 thedopefishlives

I mentioned before, I saw a mentally handicapped black person walking across the street behind me one day a few months back. When a squad of St. Paul Police walked by going the other way, I instinctively reached for my iPhone and flicked it to camera mode in my pocket. It depressed me that that was my first reaction, but unfortunately, it’s becoming necessary as part of being a diligent citizen.

Yes.

Seriously, this year has educated me (and I will thank Twitter, thank you)

Imagine the events prior to mobile tech. The people complaining have never been listened to. They were discarded.

Now, we all can see what they’ve been seeing.

Hashtag a week.

110 Mattand  Apr 7, 2015 4:55:55pm

re: #98 Targetpractice

Well, that probably explains why he tried to plant evidence.

I can think of two former Lizards who’d be taking the officer’s side right now, with a hyper skeptical “Well, the video’s too grainy to say for certain what he’s doing.”

111 Drive By Commenter  Apr 7, 2015 4:55:56pm

re: #92 jaunte

Attorney: Officer who shot man Saturday believes he followed proper procedure

Oh wait, you have video?

I want to see Fox News and the RWNJs spin this. I guess the bullet holes, ALL IN HIS BACK, would be clue #1…..But we have video. Now you know why police departments coast to coast are trying to make it a crime to film police. Stuff like this might pop up, and make a defense shaky. Who taught this thug to empty clips? Into backs?

112 jaunte  Apr 7, 2015 4:56:19pm
113 Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 7, 2015 4:56:54pm

re: #93 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

It’s complicated. IDK that we’d have had some of the images and stories out of Ferguson, Egypt, Iran, etc. without citizens on the ground. That said, there’s inevitably going to be a lot of noise to signal. Hell, Rolling Stone just fucked up an enormous story with a string of editors and an established journalist.

Yes, and obviously there’s this situation where a citizen capturing a murder on camera has resulted in an officer being charged and the rest of us being able to SEE, with our own eyes, incontrovertible evidence.

There’s DATA, and there are the conclusions you draw from it. Too many are drawing conclusions from too little data, and calling it ‘citizen journalism’. And then it sticks, and you have to fight to get the truth out.

In a way it reminds me of an SVP of R&D I worked for years ago. She would leap on some crumb of data in the first few minutes of a conversation, and you have to spend the next 20 minutes undoing that leap to a wrong conclusion, before you could get her to listen to the REST of the data and the conclusions you could draw from them.

Except she was merely annoying, and didn’t do any actual harm.

114 BeachDem  Apr 7, 2015 4:57:34pm

re: #69 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

The tail light is one of the go-to I-Want-To-Pull-This-Person-Over-And-Fuck-With-Them cards for the police. There’s no inspection in S.C., IIRC, so if you aren’t consistently checking or someone tells you, you could go a long time with a taillight out.

(I drove for 5 years without a yearly inspection in SC, which may have changed).

I don’t think there is any inspection—never had to have one in the 13 years I’ve lived here.

Wish they’d inspect “unsecured shit in the back of pickup trucks” as an extension ladder fall off a truck (going about 65 mph) in front of me just last week.

I just KNEW it was going to happen and changed lanes about 3 seconds before it flew.

115 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 4:57:49pm

re: #69 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

The tail light is one of the go-to I-Want-To-Pull-This-Person-Over-And-Fuck-With-Them cards for the police. There’s no inspection in S.C., IIRC, so if you aren’t consistently checking or someone tells you, you could go a long time with a taillight out.

(I drove for 5 years without a yearly inspection in SC, which may have changed).

And with the small town courts making money off of their “warrants” the cop knows the person he pulls over will have something around their neck.

They really are America’s mafia. But they are not doing it for the boss, they are doing it for their own self fulfillment.

116 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2015 4:58:33pm

re: #109 #FergusonFireside

Yes.

Seriously, this year has educated me (and I will thank Twitter, thank you)

Imagine the events prior to mobile tech. The people complaining have never been listened to. They were discarded.

Now, we all can see what they’ve been seeing.

Hashtag a week.

Add this to the list of “taking our country back” bullshit. Taking it back and turning it over to the authorities—their cops’ authority.

117 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 4:58:47pm

Even the Freepers seem to be agreeing that this guy’s whole defense has fallen apart. I just found myself agreeing with one who says that the cop who watched as Slager appears to plant evidence should be arrested as an accessory.

118 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 7, 2015 4:59:09pm

re: #114 BeachDem

I don’t think there is any inspection—never had to have one in the 13 years I’ve lived here.

Wish they’d inspect “unsecured shit in the back of pickup trucks” as an extension ladder fall off a truck (going about 65 mph) in front of me just last week.

I just KNEW it was going to happen and changed lanes about 3 seconds before it flew.

Yeah, I enjoyed not having to go through the yearly inspections I had to go through in Texas, but damn, there were some serious hoopties on the roads there. Libertarian Wingnut paradise.

119 Mattand  Apr 7, 2015 4:59:10pm

re: #68 thedopefishlives

I mentioned before, I saw a mentally handicapped black person walking across the street behind me one day a few months back. When a squad of St. Paul Police walked by going the other way, I instinctively reached for my iPhone and flicked it to camera mode in my pocket. It depressed me that that was my first reaction, but unfortunately, it’s becoming necessary as part of being a diligent citizen.

I haven’t done that yet, but I think about it all the time.

My worry is I’m going to be in Philly when this happens. They just lost a civil case where a cop beat the shit of a guy taking pictures of an Occupy movement, breaking his camera and all the trimmings.

They know you’re allowed to film them. They also know that the immediate damage and pain they can inflict, and the lack of the punishment they’ll eventually face, is worth taking the gamble.

120 Nyet  Apr 7, 2015 4:59:22pm

re: #106 gwangung

That’s pushing the line wayyyyyy too far.

Accused was found not guilty. And that’s all. That covers everything from no sexual assault occurred at all to he said/she said ambiguity to unable show beyond a reasonable doubt (but in all likelihood he probably did it).

Which is why I wrote in an earlier comment: “unless there is strong evidence that the jury decision was tainted (which obviously happens, but always needs to be demonstrated).”

No jury decision ever “proves” guilt or innocence completely. It does shift the balance of probabilities, however. If you call her a victim without any qualifiers, you’re saying that yes, he did it. Despite the jury not finding him guilty. So you better have facts in your hands that show the jury to be wrong.

121 thedopefishlives  Apr 7, 2015 5:00:01pm

re: #117 Targetpractice

Even the Freepers seem to be agreeing that this guy’s whole defense has fallen apart. I just found myself agreeing with one who says that the cop who watched as Slager appears to plant evidence should be arrested as an accessory.

Well, I’m wondering what happened there between the planting of the evidence and his retrieving the Taser from where he planted it. The other officer may just have ripped him a new one, something along the lines of, “That’ll never stick and you know it, now stop being stupid and pick up your Taser and deal with the consequences.”

122 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 7, 2015 5:01:18pm

re: #109 #FergusonFireside

Imagine the events prior to mobile tech. The people complaining have never been listened to. They were discarded.

Now, we all can see what they’ve been seeing.

Hashtag a week.

I’m reminded of that Freedom Riders docu from a few weeks back. It wasn’t until the national media showed what was going on that things got moving on a national level. Kennedy was just worried what we’d look like around the world.

123 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 5:01:35pm

re: #121 thedopefishlives

Well, I’m wondering what happened there between the planting of the evidence and his retrieving the Taser from where he planted it. The other officer may just have ripped him a new one, something along the lines of, “That’ll never stick and you know it, now stop being stupid and pick up your Taser and deal with the consequences.”

Who knows. But were I the dumbass, I’d be hiring a lawyer pretty damn quick.

124 Skip Intro  Apr 7, 2015 5:01:47pm

re: #111 Drive By Commenter

I want to see Fox News and the RWNJs spin this. I guess the bullet holes, ALL IN HIS BACK, would be clue #1…..But we have video. Now you know why police departments coast to coast are trying to make it a crime to film police. Stuff like this might pop up, and make a defense shaky. Who taught this thug to empty clips? Into backs?

They learned everything they need to do at Ferguson. Start catapulting the propaganda, as a former president said, and fill the net with completely bogus accounts to keep the media and Fox News viewers in a fog.

125 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 5:02:00pm

re: #82 jaunte

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They lie. And they get away with it.

126 Kid A  Apr 7, 2015 5:02:45pm

Chris Hayes: Walter Scott.
Bill O’Reilly: Berghdahlghazi.

127 thedopefishlives  Apr 7, 2015 5:03:11pm

re: #119 Mattand

I haven’t done that yet, but I think about all the time.

My worry is I’m going to be in Philly when this happens. They just lost a civil case where a cop beat the shit of a guy taking pictures of an Occupy movement, breaking his camera and all the trimmings.

They know you’re allowed to film them. They also know that the immediate damage and pain they can inflict, and the lack of the punishment they’ll eventually face, is worth taking the gamble.

Part of the reason it depresses me is that this is the wild north country. As far as red state-blue state goes, Minnesota is one of the bluest, with many progressive reforms and social programs. If any place should be free from the scourge of racist cops beating and killing black people, it should be here. But this incident occurred immediately after Ferguson, and not long before, I had posted about Minneapolis police savagely beating a black community activist. I had to acknowledge to myself that there was a non-zero chance that an incident was about to occur on the busy downtown streets of the state’s capital city.

128 Drive By Commenter  Apr 7, 2015 5:03:13pm

“We’ll never really know what happened that day to Mr. Scott, but we know that our uniformed officer acted within the rules of…(mumbling, papers rustling,) uh, what was a very volatile…..Uh, yes? What? We have….uhhh. What? I’m being told…..There is….a (mumbling, background noise…) a…….video showing that our….WHAT?”………….Storms off camera……
VIDEO.

129 jaunte  Apr 7, 2015 5:04:08pm

Today’s “one bad apple.”

130 Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2015 5:04:26pm

Here he goes.

131 jaunte  Apr 7, 2015 5:04:31pm

Totally unconnected from other similar incidents.

132 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 5:04:50pm

re: #91 Targetpractice

How exactly did Scott intend to use it after it had been fired? Unless this is some new taser whose construction I’m not familiar with, it’s a one-shot affair, you have to physically remove a back-up set of darts from the grip and load them into the front of the device. Otherwise, the most it can do is operate as a contact taser.

And Scott struggled for the taser, took it and then…what? Ran away with it? Come on, in what world does that make any sense. This guy’s report should have fallen apart as soon as the autopsy results came back, it should not have required video evidence.

Great point. They suck.

133 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2015 5:04:52pm

Best Smak-down I’ve read in a long time.

134 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 5:05:01pm

re: #124 Skip Intro

They learned everything they need to do at Ferguson. Start catapulting the propaganda, as a former president said, and fill the net with completely bogus accounts to keep the media and Fox News viewers in a fog.

They’ll suddenly rediscover the value of eyewitness reports. One or more will find themselves on Fox, describing what they “saw” and calling the video into question.

135 CuriousLurker  Apr 7, 2015 5:05:10pm

re: #74 Nyet

New Serpico?

One can hope. G’nite, lizards.

…

136 Drive By Commenter  Apr 7, 2015 5:05:19pm

re: #130 Charles Johnson

Tell Upchuck to ask Mr. Scott for an interview….

137 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 5:05:32pm

re: #91 Targetpractice

How exactly did Scott intend to use it after it had been fired? Unless this is some new taser whose construction I’m not familiar with, it’s a one-shot affair, you have to physically remove a back-up set of darts from the grip and load them into the front of the device. Otherwise, the most it can do is operate as a contact taser.

And Scott struggled for the taser, took it and then…what? Ran away with it? Come on, in what world does that make any sense. This guy’s report should have fallen apart as soon as the autopsy results came back, it should not have required video evidence.

Oh, and his lawyer quit. blah blah blah

138 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 5:05:36pm

re: #130 Charles Johnson

Here he goes.

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*sigh*

139 thedopefishlives  Apr 7, 2015 5:05:37pm

re: #130 Charles Johnson

“EVERYONE LOOK AT ME, I’M RELEVANT!”

140 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2015 5:05:50pm

re: #137 #FergusonFireside

Oh, and his lawyer quit. blah blah blah

141 jaunte  Apr 7, 2015 5:06:34pm

re: #130 Charles Johnson

Here he goes.

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Flies already.

142 Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 7, 2015 5:07:14pm

re: #130 Charles Johnson

Here he goes.

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OMG. Even though I expected exactly this, I’m still finding myself incredulous.

143 Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2015 5:07:37pm
144 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 7, 2015 5:07:42pm

re: #130 Charles Johnson

Here he goes.

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Like clockwork. You can set your watch to him. What an attention whore.

145 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 7, 2015 5:08:12pm

re: #143 Charles Johnson

What are you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?

146 Nyet  Apr 7, 2015 5:08:13pm

re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth

Something must’ve happened between him and his former client. Usually lawyers don’t do it, I think.

147 thedopefishlives  Apr 7, 2015 5:08:14pm

re: #143 Charles Johnson

Facts are useless when dealing with the King of the Douchecanoes. They simply aren’t dense enough to penetrate his thick skull.

148 Kid A  Apr 7, 2015 5:08:19pm

BAM! x 8, then “PUT YOUR HANDS BEHIND YOUR BACK!!!” What in the fuck?

149 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 5:08:39pm

re: #92 jaunte

Attorney: Officer who shot man Saturday believes he followed proper procedure

Oh wait, you have video?

You know what killed me? Hands behind your back!!! while Mr. Scott was dying.

Seriously, I know I’m going off, but this is a nail in the coffin for me. Sorry it took so long.

150 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 5:08:56pm

Somebody’s not gonna be home for dinner:

151 thedopefishlives  Apr 7, 2015 5:09:33pm

re: #148 Kid A

BAM! x 8, then “PUT YOUR HANDS BEHIND YOUR BACK!!!” What in the fuck?

Jesus fucking Christ. You can’t be serious.

152 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 5:09:54pm

re: #95 thedopefishlives

He followed proper procedure. He looked around to make sure that no one was watching before killing the guy. The fact that he missed an eyewitness is just bad luck and he can’t be blamed.

It looked like he had eye contact. He just didn’t see the person’s phone so strategically placed.

Dog damn

153 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 5:10:25pm

And like clockwork:

154 Kid A  Apr 7, 2015 5:10:37pm

re: #151 thedopefishlives

I wish. Watch the video. After he shoots him eight times, he yells at him to put his hands behind his back. It’s chilling.

155 Drive By Commenter  Apr 7, 2015 5:10:40pm

re: #149 #FergusonFireside

You know what killed me? Hands behind your back!!! while Mr. Scott was dying.

Seriously, I know I’m going off, but this is a nail in the coffin for me. Sorry it took so long.

Cuff a dying man. Training. Fucking eight slugs wasn’t enough.

156 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 5:11:34pm

re: #99 plansbandc

Holy shit. This has to stop. NOW.

How behind am I?

Yes. This is the over the waterfall moment.

157 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 5:11:50pm

re: #100 Eventual Carrion

So did Joe Walsh and I don’t think he should be shot in the back.

8 times.

158 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2015 5:12:14pm

It seems that local government has taken this murder seriously and acted quickly. This, I think will help tremendously.

The longer the family has to wait for an investigation to conclude and/or trial the worse it is.

159 darthstar  Apr 7, 2015 5:12:31pm
160 Drive By Commenter  Apr 7, 2015 5:13:10pm

re: #147 thedopefishlives

Facts are useless when dealing with the King of the Douchecanoes. They simply aren’t dense enough to penetrate his thick skull.

Oil and water. Stir all you want. It will never mix.

161 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 5:13:35pm

re: #106 gwangung

That’s pushing the line wayyyyyy too far.

Accused was found not guilty. And that’s all. That covers everything from no sexual assault occurred at all to he said/she said ambiguity to unable show beyond a reasonable doubt (but in all likelihood he probably did it).

O. J. Simpson. hey ya’ll

162 Nyet  Apr 7, 2015 5:14:36pm

re: #161 #FergusonFireside

O. J. Simpson. hey ya’ll

Yes, good example where we have evidence to show the jury wrong.

163 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 7, 2015 5:14:37pm

re: #153 Targetpractice

RT @andreagrimes: Murderous cop gets the service bio. Murdered man gets the rap sheet. In the NY Times. #walterscott

Someone is going to have a very provocative and eye-opening research project in journalism studies when this is all over (Brown, Rice, Scott, etc.), maybe even a PhD and a book.

164 Nyet  Apr 7, 2015 5:15:20pm

Remember this sociopathic op-ed?

I’m a cop. If you don’t want to get hurt, don’t challenge me.

165 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 7, 2015 5:15:45pm

re: #83 #FergusonFireside

We’ve got a very big problem America. And it ain’t Isis or Iran.

Fucks just don’t give a shit of what’s happening.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems to me that, this year, more innocent Americans have been killed by the police than have been killed by ISIS, AQ, or any of the other franchise terrorists.

166 Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2015 5:16:07pm
167 thedopefishlives  Apr 7, 2015 5:16:25pm

re: #166 Charles Johnson

Rodney King wut?

168 gwangung  Apr 7, 2015 5:16:56pm

re: #158 FemNaziBitch

It seems that local government has taken this murder seriously and acted quickly. This, I think will help tremendously.

The longer the family has to wait for an investigation to conclude and/or trial the worse it is.

Tamir Rice, Cleveland. Cough, cough.

169 jaunte  Apr 7, 2015 5:17:07pm
doctored video

What a load.

170 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 5:17:07pm

re: #166 Charles Johnson

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Is Chucky going to have one of his “experts” examine the pixels?

171 b.d.  Apr 7, 2015 5:17:25pm

Again? Still?

172 fern01  Apr 7, 2015 5:17:29pm

re: #15 Justanotherhuman

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Exactly - and it sure looked to me as if the 2nd officer was searching for a weapon on the deceased - not providing assistance.

173 darthstar  Apr 7, 2015 5:18:19pm

re: #167 thedopefishlives

Rodney King wut?

Yeah, the ability to doctor VHS tapes in 1993-1994 was amazing. What a stupid fucker.

174 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2015 5:18:58pm

re: #135 CuriousLurker

One can hope. G’nite, lizards.

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Video

thanks for posting

175 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 5:19:05pm
176 Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2015 5:19:22pm
177 Nyet  Apr 7, 2015 5:19:43pm

re: #170 Targetpractice

Is Chucky going to have one of his “experts” examine the pixels?

Elmer Fudd, Ph.D., reporting for duty, sir!

178 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2015 5:19:59pm

re: #149 #FergusonFireside

You know what killed me? Hands behind your back!!! while Mr. Scott was dying.

Seriously, I know I’m going off, but this is a nail in the coffin for me. Sorry it took so long.

DO NOT SHOOT SOMEONE IN THE BACK —-especially not 8 times.

179 Nyet  Apr 7, 2015 5:22:10pm

Although in the previous thread I said he was probably going down… then I remembered about the Twinkie defense.

180 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2015 5:24:28pm

shooting someone 8 times?

What was the officer trying to accomplish?

Stopping the suspect?

killing the suspect.

And they Whackos wonder why “some” don’t trust civilians with firearms.

181 BeachDem  Apr 7, 2015 5:24:40pm

The original Post and Courier article said there was a passenger in the car with Walter Scott, who stayed with the vehicle. Wonder if that’s who took the video. Also, wonder how that person managed to not be manhandled by the police like Tamir Rice’s sister.

182 Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2015 5:27:37pm
183 Mike Lamb  Apr 7, 2015 5:29:17pm

re: #176 Charles Johnson

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Says the guy that worships at the altar of Breitbart…

184 thedopefishlives  Apr 7, 2015 5:29:30pm

re: #173 darthstar

Yeah, the ability to doctor VHS tapes in 1993-1994 was amazing. What a stupid fucker.

I knew UpChuck was an idiot - I mean, I’ve been here basically since he exploded onto the derp scene. But really, Rodney King video was faked? Ugh, the stupid, it burns.

185 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 5:30:15pm

Besides the fellow cop who apparently watched as Slager planted evidence, there’s eyewitnesses who the original story says were backing up his version of events. Is that true, or were the cops spinning the shit to the press in the hopes of making this all go away?

186 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2015 5:30:21pm

Due process for just some people…

187 Nyet  Apr 7, 2015 5:30:22pm

Still can’t load the breitbart comments, so aceofspades will do:

It’s a good thing he is being charged with murder….

the final shot was unforgivable IMHO….

that said the whole thing is a clusterfuck and the guy literally caused his own manslaughter/murder

On the other hand:

Send this POS to prison.
It will be far worse than death with the daily ass rapings

188 Nyet  Apr 7, 2015 5:30:59pm

re: #185 Targetpractice

The cop was the eyewitness! ///

189 thedopefishlives  Apr 7, 2015 5:31:23pm

re: #185 Targetpractice

Besides the fellow cop who apparently watched as Slager planted evidence, there’s eyewitnesses who the original story says were backing up his version of events. Is that true, or were the cops spinning the shit to the press in the hopes of making this all go away?

At the moment, it appears to be just a line they’re feeding in hopes of making the questions go away.

190 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 5:31:27pm

re: #146 Nyet

Something must’ve happened between him and his former client. Usually lawyers don’t do it, I think.

The video. That’s what happened.

(I’m still way behind, forgive me but Ima reading it all)

191 b.d.  Apr 7, 2015 5:32:05pm

[chuck c] I remember noticing how the Rodney King tapes looked doctored when I was 6 years old and watching them [/chuck c]

192 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 5:32:29pm

re: #189 thedopefishlives

At the moment, it appears to be just a line they’re feeding in hopes of making the questions go away.

I should hope that’s the case. Else there’s some folks who could be charged with perjury for signing their names to a false account.

193 Mike Lamb  Apr 7, 2015 5:32:34pm

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

Due process for just some people…

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Except for victims, that is.

194 thatthatisis  Apr 7, 2015 5:32:39pm

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hey, just look at the officer’s mug shot! His orbital bone has been totally blown out. There are marks all over his face. Of course he felt his life was in danger. Geez, he looks almost as injured as George Zimmerman did. And the black guy - what a thug.

It’s the black thug’s fault because he ran. After all, what non-threatening, law-abiding man runs from the police? It’s not like the police are out to, you know, shoot you or anything.

//

195 b.d.  Apr 7, 2015 5:32:56pm

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

Due process for just some people…

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At least Chuck hasn’t accused Scott of faking it.

196 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 5:33:15pm

re: #151 thedopefishlives

Jesus fucking Christ. You can’t be serious.

Absolutely. That’s their go to. Throw down the gun! Throw down the gun! Put your hands behind your back!

Self defense by the powerful.

197 A Cranky One  Apr 7, 2015 5:33:40pm

re: #190 #FergusonFireside

The video. That’s what happened.

(I’m still way behind, forgive me but Ima reading it all)

That’s my guess. Cop probably told the lawyer his made up story and insisted it was the truth. Lawyer saw the video and realized the cop was lying to him. Lawyer probably realized it was a losing case and bailed.

198 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 5:33:47pm

re: #196 #FergusonFireside

Absolutely. That’s their go to. Throw down the gun! Throw down the gun! Put your hands behind your back!

Self defense by the powerful.

“Stop reaching for my gun! Stop resisting!”

199 jaunte  Apr 7, 2015 5:33:58pm
200 Nyet  Apr 7, 2015 5:34:03pm

re: #190 #FergusonFireside

The video. That’s what happened.

(I’m still way behind, forgive me but Ima reading it all)

It could be, but that’s still unusual IMHO. Isn’t dropping the client because of damning new evidence unprofessional (even if sometimes the right thing to do)? Or am I wrong here?

201 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 5:34:42pm

re: #153 Targetpractice

And like clockwork:

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Fucking child support. My brother is dealing with child support. He’s white though.

202 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 7, 2015 5:34:43pm

chuy/rahm runoff in progress even as we squeak

203 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 7, 2015 5:34:59pm

re: #200 Nyet

It could be, but that’s still unusual IMHO. Isn’t dropping the client because of damning new evidence unprofessional (even if sometimes the right thing to do)? Or am I wrong here?

Dropping a client because he is lying to you is not unprofessional though.

204 Nyet  Apr 7, 2015 5:35:42pm

re: #203 Feline Fearless Leader

Dropping a client because he is lying to you is not unprofessional though.

Dunno about that. I assume the guilty parties lie to their lawyers and the latter know about this.

205 b.d.  Apr 7, 2015 5:36:26pm

re: #201 #FergusonFireside

Fucking child support. My brother is dealing with child support. He’s white though.

When Joe Walsh quit paying child support the wingnuts elected him to congress.

206 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 5:37:57pm

re: #162 Nyet

Yes, good example where we have evidence to show the jury wrong.

It really is all about justice. Many times it doesn’t occur. In my humble opinion. I’m a kinda riled up now. Peace!

207 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2015 5:38:09pm

re: #201 #FergusonFireside

Fucking child support. My brother is dealing with child support. He’s white though.

Victim’s kid isn’t going get the benefit of anymore child support now … .

208 Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2015 5:38:33pm
209 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 5:38:57pm

re: #164 Nyet

Remember this sociopathic op-ed?

I’m a cop. If you don’t want to get hurt, don’t challenge me.

G A H

210 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2015 5:39:08pm
211 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 5:39:41pm

Why would Slager need a defense fund? Don’t police unions usually cover that stuff?

212 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 5:39:42pm

re: #167 thedopefishlives

Rodney King wut?

Fake video. Come on.

213 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 5:40:19pm

re: #210 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Just say what you want to say, Chucky: In a case with a white cop and a black victim, you’re prepared to completely rewrite history to exonerate the white cop.

214 Nyet  Apr 7, 2015 5:40:26pm
Officer Michael T. Slager Defense Fund
by David Copelan Contact Report
Personal campaign Keep it all Lawrenceville, US

South Carolina police officer is charged with shooting and killing black suspect Walter Scott. The policeman needs our help. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are going to be all over this, convicting him before he has his say in court.

215 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2015 5:40:49pm
216 gwangung  Apr 7, 2015 5:41:03pm

re: #210 Backwoods_Sleuth

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For all integers > 1 = “too many”

217 jaunte  Apr 7, 2015 5:41:22pm

re: #210 Backwoods_Sleuth

218 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 5:41:33pm

Ya’ll

……………..

219 Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2015 5:41:56pm
220 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 5:42:04pm

re: #214 Nyet

South Carolina police officer is charged with shooting and killing black suspect Walter Scott. The policeman needs our help. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are going to be all over this, convicting him before he has his say in court.

And there you have it, folks. “White cop needs our help because black folks we don’t like are gonna say mean things about him!”

221 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2015 5:42:22pm

re: #202 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

chuy/rahm runoff in progress even as we squeak

With 1/3 of votes in, Rahm Emanuel leads Jesus ‘Chuy’ Garcia 55.8% to 44.2% in Chicago mayoral race - @ABC7Chicago
read more on abc7chicago.com

222 Nyet  Apr 7, 2015 5:42:46pm

Apparently this is Copelan’s site:

familyvaluesusa.weebly. com

223 A Cranky One  Apr 7, 2015 5:43:04pm

re: #210 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yah, we need due process. Unless of course it’s Allen West, then anonymous accusations are good enough. Of course, Allen West is black….

God, Upchuck is a vile POS.

224 Great White Snark  Apr 7, 2015 5:43:30pm

Just to share some good news I was contacted by a company that makes canopies. They like one of my fire photographs. I hit them up for a reasonable but worthwhile sum. Good timing what with recent hardware expenses.

225 Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2015 5:43:41pm
226 Nyet  Apr 7, 2015 5:44:10pm

re: #222 Nyet

Traditional Family Values

1. Promotion of “traditional” marriage.

2. Opposition to pre-marital sex, cohabitation, and other sexual relationships outside of traditional marriage.

3. Belief that parents should have the final say in a child’s education, including support of home schooling and school vouchers for private education.

4. Opposition to legalization of abortion, and promotion of abstinence education and adoption as alternatives.

5. Support for public policies that protect children from obscenity and sexual material in the media.

6. Support for a traditional role for women in the family.

7. Religion as the source of morality.

8. The nuclear family to be an essential element in society.

9. Oppose the promotion of homosexuality in society and especially among children.

10. Support of male-female marriage. Opposition to homosexual marriage.

11. Belief in the value of work and being self sufficient.

12. Patriotism/love of country.

13. Civility and decency.

14. Being a good law-abiding citizen who respects the rights of others.

227 De Kolta Chair  Apr 7, 2015 5:44:27pm

Apropos of nothing, but every ten years or so I crack open my heavily abridged copy of the Talmud and jump right in, just as every fifteen years or so I jump into “Finnegans Wake,” and every time I do the pages open to this passage

Rabbi Akiva said: Everything is foreseen yet freedom of choice is given.

The religious right, who constantly rail about “Judeo-Christianity,” could learn a thing or two or three from the ol’ Talmud.

228 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 5:45:04pm

re: #181 BeachDem

The original Post and Courier article said there was a passenger in the car with Walter Scott, who stayed with the vehicle. Wonder if that’s who took the video. Also, wonder how that person managed to not be manhandled by the police like Tamir Rice’s sister.

Vid was by someone just walking, it appears.

Yeah, the witness,

Probably has a bunch of warrants and just needs to go to work.

229 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2015 5:45:42pm

re: #226 Nyet

#15. Killing Black suspects who run is legitimate police work.

230 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 7, 2015 5:45:51pm

re: #227 De Kolta Chair

Apropos of nothing, but every ten years or so I crack open my heavily abridged copy of the Talmud and jump right in, just as every fifteen years or so I jump into “Finnegans Wake,” and every time I do the pages open to this passage

The former could lead to a discussion about power without taking responsibility.

231 Mattand  Apr 7, 2015 5:46:03pm

re: #203 Feline Fearless Leader

Dropping a client because he is lying to you is not unprofessional though.

I wonder if the cop was still insisting to the lawyer he was innocent even after the video came to light.

232 jaunte  Apr 7, 2015 5:46:22pm
233 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 7, 2015 5:46:24pm

re: #207 FemNaziBitch

Victim’s kid isn’t going get the benefit of anymore child support now … .

No, but the child might be getting a windfall from the civil suit that’s likely to come. Doesn’t replace a parent (assuming there’s a decent relationship between them).

234 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 5:46:43pm

re: #185 Targetpractice

Besides the fellow cop who apparently watched as Slager planted evidence, there’s eyewitnesses who the original story says were backing up his version of events. Is that true, or were the cops spinning the shit to the press in the hopes of making this all go away?

Yes. The weak never count. The strong’s story always does.

235 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2015 5:46:55pm
236 Nyet  Apr 7, 2015 5:47:01pm
1. Promotion of “traditional” marriage.

2. Opposition to pre-marital sex, cohabitation, and other sexual relationships outside of traditional marriage.

8. The nuclear family to be an essential element in society.

9. Oppose the promotion of homosexuality in society and especially among children.

10. Support of male-female marriage. Opposition to homosexual marriage.

He forgot to tell us, does he support the traditional marriage and oppose gay marriage?

237 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2015 5:47:55pm

Deray is my latest hero, keeping them honest. And the shit he must have to put up with, too.

238 EPR-radar  Apr 7, 2015 5:48:23pm

re: #236 Nyet

The Department of Redundancy Department could sue for trademark infringement.

239 BeachDem  Apr 7, 2015 5:49:21pm

re: #197 A Cranky One

That’s my guess. Cop probably told the lawyer his made up story and insisted it was the truth. Lawyer saw the video and realized the cop was lying to him. Lawyer probably realized it was a losing case and bailed.

Too bad Todd Kincannon is otherwise occupied, or he’d be next in line as the cop’s lawyer. (And speaking of SC’s fucked up domestic violence laws—Kincannon was released on a $5,000 bond, and a judge ordered him not to contact his wife - Ashely Griffith.)

240 WhatEVs  Apr 7, 2015 5:49:55pm

re: #190 #FergusonFireside

The video. That’s what happened.

(I’m still way behind, forgive me but Ima reading it all)

No. Attorneys believe that all defendants, even allegedly guilty ones, deserve a robust defense. Our criminal Justice system depends on it. That’s a reason no attorney ever asks if his client is guilty. You can’t defend if you know they’re guilty.

241 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 5:50:15pm

re: #198 Targetpractice

“Stop reaching for my gun! Stop resisting!”

And they always yell it with fake panic in their voice.

The New American Mafia.

They’ve got every single city council by the balls.

242 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 5:50:57pm

re: #200 Nyet

It could be, but that’s still unusual IMHO. Isn’t dropping the client because of damning new evidence unprofessional (even if sometimes the right thing to do)? Or am I wrong here?

No idea. It appears as damning.

243 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2015 5:50:58pm
244 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 5:51:06pm

re: #231 Mattand

I wonder if the cop was still insisting to the lawyer he was innocent even after the video came to light.

I can only assume the lawyer took one look at the video and realized any possible defense he could have prepared was DOA before he ever stepped into a courtroom. Even if he could argue that there had been a struggle, as soon as the jury saw the gunshots as Scott ran, it would be all over. No chance of a plea bargain and no chance of leniency. A cop not only shot an unarmed man in the back, he then lied about it on the official record.

245 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 7, 2015 5:51:11pm

re: #226 Nyet

oh, ‘h’ ‘e’ double hockey sticks

246 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2015 5:51:34pm

8 Times.

WTF!

Did he even wait before pulling the trigger the second time to see if his first bullet made the mark?

What possible reason is there to shoot 8 fucking times?

247 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 7, 2015 5:52:06pm

The nuclear family to be an

some nuclear families are highly radioactive

248 lawhawk  Apr 7, 2015 5:52:28pm

re: #182 Charles Johnson

It does seem to be only a matter of time before that happens. The video is quite damning, but as we saw with Eric Garner, even video showing an excessive force incident isn’t enough to result in an indictment, let alone a conviction.

What appears to be particularly damning in this case is not only was the incident caught on video, but we see the cop actively manipulating the scene to plant evidence or alter the evidence - a clear indication that the cop knew what he was doing.

The truly sad thing is that this is the exception, not the rule in excessive force/officer-involved shooting situations (even those with video/photo evidence). An indictment is particularly rare, a prosecution/conviction even more so.

That shouldn’t be the case. It has to change.

249 Nyet  Apr 7, 2015 5:52:35pm

re: #240 WhatEVs

No. Attorneys believe that all defendants, even allegedly guilty ones, deserve a robust defense. Our criminal Justice system depends on it. That’s a reason no attorney ever asks if his client is guilty. You can’t defend if you know they’re guilty.

That’s what I mean too.

250 psddluva4evah  Apr 7, 2015 5:53:09pm

re: #104 jaunte

AMEN! I think I just read somewhere that at the press conference the LEO folks said something bout whoever video’d to come forward so they could thank them…yeah right! Just like they thanked the dude who recorded the Eric Garner video…

FYI, I know the dude who recorded the Eric Garner vidoe had a “valid” violation that led to being arrested, but still the time frame between the dude being identified and his arrest, was very convenient.

251 DodgerFan1988  Apr 7, 2015 5:53:36pm

The Right Wing Talking Point - “Why was he running away and not following police instructions? “

252 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2015 5:54:16pm

re: #251 DodgerFan1988

The Right Wing Talking Point - “Why was he running away and not following police instructions? “

What possible justification is there for shooting 8 times?

253 Decatur Deb  Apr 7, 2015 5:54:41pm

re: #127 thedopefishlives

Part of the reason it depresses me is that this is the wild north country. As far as red state-blue state goes, Minnesota is one of the bluest, with many progressive reforms and social programs. If any place should be free from the scourge of racist cops beating and killing black people, it should be here. But this incident occurred immediately after Ferguson, and not long before, I had posted about Minneapolis police savagely beating a black community activist. I had to acknowledge to myself that there was a non-zero chance that an incident was about to occur on the busy downtown streets of the state’s capital city.

Contemplate the notion that a Minnesota cop is more like an Alabama cop than he is like a Minnesota veterinarian. That’s not an anti-cop statement. It works the same way for veterinarians.

254 thedopefishlives  Apr 7, 2015 5:54:49pm

re: #219 Charles Johnson

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Says the guy with a perfect 0% record of honesty in his “journalism”. Physician, heal thyself.

255 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 5:55:03pm

re: #214 Nyet

ooooga booooga Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson.

I will say again, we are still in Jim Crow, it’s just changed.

256 Jenner7  Apr 7, 2015 5:55:09pm

re: #153 Targetpractice

This fucking country. The more I read, the more fucking angry I am.

257 No Country For Old Haters  Apr 7, 2015 5:55:44pm

re: #246 FemNaziBitch

8 Times.

WTF!

Did he even wait before pulling the trigger the second time to see if his first bullet made the mark?

What possible reason is there to shoot 8 fucking times?

My brother, who’s a deputy, was trained to empty the clip. This guy may have been as well. (My brother has never shot anyone)

258 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 5:55:48pm

re: #250 psddluva4evah

AMEN! I think I just read somewhere that at the press conference the LEO folks said something bout whoever video’d to come forward so they could thank them…yeah right! Just like they thanked the dude who recorded the Eric Garner video…

FYI, I know the dude who recorded the Eric Garner vidoe had a “valid” violation that led to being arrested, but still the time frame between the dude being identified and his arrest, was very convenient.

Yeah, I’d like to thank the anonymous source for taking this to the family’s lawyer, rather than to the cops. That way we can actually see it, rather than waiting for some slimy fucking prosecutor to quietly release it to the press after he managed to slow-walk a grand jury into dumping the case.

259 De Kolta Chair  Apr 7, 2015 5:55:56pm

re: #230 Feline Fearless Leader

The former could lead to a discussion about power without taking responsibility.

That’s not only unmentioned in The Book of Koch but forbidden by default!!!1!!

But anyway, another favorite citation:

Rabbi Ila’i said: “By three things may a person’s character be determined: By his drinking and spending habits and by his anger. Some say: ‘Also by his laughter.’”

260 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2015 5:55:57pm

I think twitter is broken over this situation.

261 Nyet  Apr 7, 2015 5:56:27pm

re: #252 FemNaziBitch

What possible justification is there for shooting 8 times?

A healthy mind can think of none.

But if you really wish to know what they will be running with…

22 8 Posted by: Not Loved Time to be Feared at April 07, 2015 07:13 PM (nRvEn)

That is true…let me tell you what his defense is….

“the perp assaulted me trying to gain control of my weapon(yes even the taser b/c immobilized the cop’s gun is unsecured)…. he then fled as a felon “

THAT is what happened under SC law….

the minute the arrestee decided “naw bro Imma wrestle you instead of getting cuffed and stuffed” he became a felon and then a fleeing felon….

Now 5 years ago the Cop would have likely gotten off, now he will go down on manslaughter and maybe murder 2 or its state equivalent….

I prefer the latter outcome to the former…but I am saddened the victim chose to escalate things.

262 thedopefishlives  Apr 7, 2015 5:56:31pm

re: #257 No Country For Old Haters

My brother, who’s a deputy, was trained to empty the clip. This guy may have been as well. (My brother has never shot anyone)

Which is fine in a legitimate self-defense situation. If someone is seriously threatening you, emptying the clip is an understandable response. Emptying your clip into the back of an unarmed man who is running away? No. Hell to the no.

263 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 5:56:37pm

re: #224 Great White Snark

Just to share some good news I was contacted by a company that makes canopies. They like on of my fire photographs. I hit them up for a reasonable but worthwhile sum. Good timing what with recent hardware expenses.

Good news in a bad news day. XXXXXOOOOO

264 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2015 5:56:45pm

re: #257 No Country For Old Haters

My brother, who’s a deputy, was trained to empty the clip. This guy may have been as well. (My brother has never shot anyone)

That just seems wrong to me.

“You might must injure the suspect, be sure to kill them …”

???

265 Skip Intro  Apr 7, 2015 5:57:03pm

re: #252 FemNaziBitch

What possible justification is there for shooting 8 times?

If he’s dead he can’t testify against you.

266 A Cranky One  Apr 7, 2015 5:57:06pm

How about something a little more upbeat?

Russell Westbrook won a brand new Kia after being named the 2015 All-Star Game MVP, but the Oklahoma City Thunder star isn’t keeping the new set of wheels.

Instead, Westbrook reportedly surprised a single mom named Kerstin Gonzalez with the car on Monday. It was a moving moment for both of them.

Huffington Post

267 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 5:58:33pm

re: #232 jaunte

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sob

268 Jenner7  Apr 7, 2015 5:58:40pm
269 thedopefishlives  Apr 7, 2015 5:59:31pm

re: #253 Decatur Deb

Contemplate the notion that a Minnesota cop is more like an Alabama cop than he is like a Minnesota veterinarian. That’s not an anti-cop statement. It works the same way for veterinarians.

Minnesota nice is totally a thing, but we have as many bad apples as any other place when it comes to police.

270 No Country For Old Haters  Apr 7, 2015 6:00:01pm

re: #264 FemNaziBitch

That just seems wrong to me.

“You might must injure the suspect, be sure to kill them …”

???

It seems wrong to me too, but they see keeping law enforcement personnel safe as the top priority. I don’t think injuring vs. killing a suspect is something they worry about.

271 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2015 6:00:05pm

This appears to be more often true anymore.

As a white person, I’ve never had to particularly fear that a cop was going to beat me up or even kill me. Not once in my 74 years, even during my radical political years. And I think this is true of every white person, if they’re honest with themselves.

272 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2015 6:00:17pm

hahahahahaha

273 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 6:00:33pm

re: #237 Justanotherhuman

Deray is my latest hero, keeping them honest. And the shit he must have to put up with, too.

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He’s strong, and we must learn from him.

274 Jenner7  Apr 7, 2015 6:00:59pm

Whoopsy

275 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 6:01:20pm

re: #261 Nyet

A healthy mind can think of none.

But if you really wish to know what they will be running with…

You can already start to see the beginnings of a defense here. It’s a replay of the Wilson defense: “The moment he attacked the cop, he became a threat!” Look for references soon to Walter’s size and weight, with the theme that Slager was so afraid of Walter that he had “no choice” but to “defend” himself.

276 Decatur Deb  Apr 7, 2015 6:02:28pm

re: #271 Justanotherhuman

This appears to be more often true anymore.

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As a white person, I’ve never had to particularly fear that a cop was going to beat me up or even kill me. Not once in my 74 years, even during my radical political years. And I think this is true of every white person, if they’re honest with themselves.

Hell, I didn’t know y’all were white, or I’d have been nicer.

277 Nyet  Apr 7, 2015 6:02:29pm

re: #275 Targetpractice

The telepathic rays, man. The black telepathic rays were a present and clear danger to the cop.

278 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2015 6:02:40pm
279 Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2015 6:03:48pm
280 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2015 6:04:19pm

killedbypolice.net

281 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 7, 2015 6:05:55pm

re: #259 De Kolta Chair

That’s not only unmentioned in The Book of Koch but forbidden by default!!!1!!

But anyway, another favorite citation:

I like that one. Determine a person’s all important character by their actions (and results) and not their words.

282 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 6:06:41pm

re: #246 FemNaziBitch

8 Times.

WTF!

Did he even wait before pulling the trigger the second time to see if his first bullet made the mark?

What possible reason is there to shoot 8 fucking times?

They have become, under our watch, the all powerful.

OK if you are white DUI’ing out of control. Fucked if you are black with the random (???) stop for the right tail light.

283 thedopefishlives  Apr 7, 2015 6:06:50pm

re: #279 Charles Johnson

I was stopped once for having my windows tinted too dark. The officer was civil, polite, and kept his gun in his holster. In fact, I don’t even think he called for backup. Oh, wait, I’m a young white male, I suppose that makes a difference.

284 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 6:07:02pm

re: #279 Charles Johnson

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Michael Brown was stopped for walking in the street, Eric Garner for suspicion of selling untaxed cigarettes, John Crawford was shot for holding a toy gun, Tamir Rice for the same.

But remember, in every case, the cop “feared for his life.”

285 De Kolta Chair  Apr 7, 2015 6:07:22pm

re: #278 FemNaziBitch

Lando Chillrissian @tydigga1

@ImJustCeej I’m amazed at people thinking Black folks are just attacking cops all over America.

Sheeeet, there was a time when Republicans actually paid Black folk to kill white southerners. //
286 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 6:07:45pm

re: #248 lawhawk

It does seem to be only a matter of time before that happens. The video is quite damning, but as we saw with Eric Garner, even video showing an excessive force incident isn’t enough to result in an indictment, let alone a conviction.

What appears to be particularly damning in this case is not only was the incident caught on video, but we see the cop actively manipulating the scene to plant evidence or alter the evidence - a clear indication that the cop knew what he was doing.

The truly sad thing is that this is the exception, not the rule in excessive force/officer-involved shooting situations (even those with video/photo evidence). An indictment is particularly rare, a prosecution/conviction even more so.

That shouldn’t be the case. It has to change.

There needs to be more Blue, standing Blue.

287 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2015 6:08:18pm

Scott family on now giving press conference.

288 A Cranky One  Apr 7, 2015 6:08:20pm

re: #271 Justanotherhuman

This appears to be more often true anymore.

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As a white person, I’ve never had to particularly fear that a cop was going to beat me up or even kill me. Not once in my 74 years, even during my radical political years. And I think this is true of every white person, if they’re honest with themselves.

While that is generally true, I had a very bad experience with a cop so I tend to view all cops with suspicion. I was once falsely arrested by a cop because he didn’t like my attitude (standing on my rights and not being deferential enough). He continued to rant at me even after handcuffing me and putting me in the squad car. I was genuinely fearful.

The only good news? Cop’s name was Drew Peterson. Don’t need to worry about dealing with him again. And the false charges went away.

289 Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2015 6:09:26pm
290 Nyet  Apr 7, 2015 6:10:20pm

And he goes to Newsmax to gloat: “Alan Dershowitz: I Will Now Confront My Lying Sex Accuser in Court!”

291 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 6:10:28pm

re: #257 No Country For Old Haters

My brother, who’s a deputy, was trained to empty the clip. This guy may have been as well. (My brother has never shot anyone)

Fuck those child support assholes/old car tail lights going out.

ITS ON

292 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 6:11:32pm

re: #260 FemNaziBitch

I think twitter is broken over this situation.

It is so painfully aware.

293 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2015 6:11:54pm

Justin Bamberg is the family attorney.

bambergforsc.com

294 De Kolta Chair  Apr 7, 2015 6:12:16pm

…

295 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 6:12:45pm

re: #261 Nyet

A healthy mind can think of none.

But if you really wish to know what they will be running with…

I have no faith in us.

296 thedopefishlives  Apr 7, 2015 6:13:39pm

re: #295 #FergusonFireside

I have no faith in us.

Mr. Scott, Commander Spock - Away Team here; beam us up, please. We’re done.

297 Nyet  Apr 7, 2015 6:13:58pm
Campaign paused. Sorry, we’re not currently accepting contributions.

$0 Raised so far
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bwahahahaha

298 WhatEVs  Apr 7, 2015 6:14:10pm

re: #288 A Cranky One

Holy shit. That infamy would be too close for my comfort. Thankfully, all was well for you.

299 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2015 6:14:19pm
300 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 6:14:25pm

re: #264 FemNaziBitch

That just seems wrong to me.

“You might must injure the suspect, be sure to kill them …”

???

They are regular people, who are very very afraid. With guns.

We have a problem.

301 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2015 6:14:38pm

re: #288 A Cranky One

You’re lucky Peterson didn’t kill ya : 0

But I take it you’re not female?

302 Egregious Philbin  Apr 7, 2015 6:14:43pm

Jeezus….how many times has this crap happened when someone wasn’t filming? Getting pretty pissed off at the bad cops out there, they protect their own, and cover it up.

I hope this guy, if found guilty roasts in prison for a long, long time.

303 De Kolta Chair  Apr 7, 2015 6:15:03pm

re: #290 Nyet

304 Nyet  Apr 7, 2015 6:16:04pm

re: #288 A Cranky One

That. Was. Close.

305 Decatur Deb  Apr 7, 2015 6:16:12pm

re: #295 #FergusonFireside

I have no faith in us.

We are better than we used to be. We will be better later.

306 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 6:16:28pm

Right about now, I imagine the state AG is having a serious case of heart burn over the release of this video. Just how many other cases where this guy was involved was his official report central to the conviction of a suspect? That’s gonna be something haunting them for awhile to come.

307 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2015 6:16:37pm

re: #302 Egregious Philbin

Jeezus….how many times has this crap happened when someone wasn’t filming? Getting pretty pissed off at the bad cops out there, they protect their own, and cover it up.

I hope this guy, if found guilty roasts in prison for a long, long time.

EXACTLY!!!

308 Jenner7  Apr 7, 2015 6:17:12pm
309 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2015 6:17:31pm
310 Nyet  Apr 7, 2015 6:17:43pm

So Chuck retweeted without contributing, lol.

311 Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2015 6:17:59pm
312 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2015 6:18:01pm

re: #308 Jenner7

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Sorry, he looks to much like Sean Hannity.

313 Nyet  Apr 7, 2015 6:18:29pm

re: #308 Jenner7

And it has been deleted. 5 min ago it was only paused.

314 Decatur Deb  Apr 7, 2015 6:18:30pm

re: #308 Jenner7

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Lame. Better get some photos of him petting a dog.

315 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2015 6:18:38pm

re: #308 Jenner7

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It’s gone
Sorry, the campaign you’re looking for is no longer available

316 thedopefishlives  Apr 7, 2015 6:19:10pm

re: #313 Nyet

And it has been deleted. 5 min ago it was only paused.

Wow. Who’da thunk.

317 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2015 6:19:31pm

re: #300 #FergusonFireside

They are regular people, who are very very afraid. With guns.

We have a problem.

If a person thinks a firearm gives them power, they have a problem.

318 Nyet  Apr 7, 2015 6:19:35pm

re: #315 Justanotherhuman

It’s gone
Sorry, the campaign you’re looking for is no longer available

This is not the campaign you’re looking for.

319 De Kolta Chair  Apr 7, 2015 6:19:42pm

re: #308 Jenner7

The way things are going, #KillerCopNoGayPizzas ?

320 jaunte  Apr 7, 2015 6:20:04pm
321 Decatur Deb  Apr 7, 2015 6:20:38pm

re: #315 Justanotherhuman

It’s gone
Sorry, the campaign you’re looking for is no longer available

This is not the storm trooper you are looking for. Move along.

322 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2015 6:21:00pm
323 Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2015 6:21:01pm
324 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 6:21:16pm

Damn, seems he turned toxic pretty quick. Any idea how old that donation campaign was?

325 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2015 6:22:22pm

You fear for your life from someone running away from you?

In a relatively empty park-like area. Seems like there was plenty of visability.

What, was there a grassy knoll?

326 De Kolta Chair  Apr 7, 2015 6:23:14pm

re: #309 FemNaziBitch

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“Capitulated” perhaps, though I prefer to use the term “heaved a great sigh of relief.”

327 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 6:23:24pm

re: #290 Nyet

They all fucked her. Lying horny old men,

328 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 7, 2015 6:24:02pm

Charles,
I sent a message to you via the contact form earlier today and just wanted to make sure you had gotten it.

Thank you.

329 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2015 6:24:06pm
330 Iwouldprefernotto  Apr 7, 2015 6:24:19pm

Can’t. Watch. Video.

331 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2015 6:25:04pm
332 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 6:25:08pm

re: #296 thedopefishlives

Mr. Scott, Commander Spock - Away Team here; beam us up, please. We’re done.

Ya. Can’t wait for the 2nd half of my life.

I’m a bit more fired up than usual.

333 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 6:25:13pm

re: #322 Justanotherhuman

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You read the original story, and then the statements by the police department after the release of the video, and it’s like night and day. But yet, you can be sure that with no video made available, the wingnuts would have twisted themselves into pretzels to defend Slager.

334 Nyet  Apr 7, 2015 6:25:34pm

re: #324 Targetpractice

Damn, seems he turned toxic pretty quick. Any idea how old that donation campaign was?

50-55 minutes.

335 De Kolta Chair  Apr 7, 2015 6:25:40pm

re: #281 Feline Fearless Leader

I like that one. Determine a person’s all important character by their actions (and results) and not their words.

As you said before, being responsible. In other words, being a mensch.

336 psddluva4evah  Apr 7, 2015 6:26:25pm

re: #306 Targetpractice

dude on Maddow said that they do know that the video guy was a young resident from the community.

He said that he did know that the person had some hesitation with bringing the video to the LEO and so brought it to the family and I believe the family gave it to NYT!

337 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 6:26:39pm

re: #334 Nyet

50-55 minutes.

Bloody hell. I wonder if the dipshit did so before he saw the video, then immediately put the kibosh on it afterward.

338 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2015 6:26:43pm

North Charleston is the state’s third-largest city with a population of about 100,000. African-Americans make up about 47 percent of residents, and whites account for about 37 percent. The city police department is about 80 percent white, according to data collected by the Justice Department in 2007, the most recent period available.

339 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 6:26:51pm

re: #305 Decatur Deb

We are better than we used to be. We will be better later.

Thank you Sage. Really.

340 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2015 6:26:57pm

I do know that justifiable shootings have caused many cops some major psycic pain and life upheavals.

(family member and subsequent divorce)

341 A Cranky One  Apr 7, 2015 6:27:07pm

re: #298 WhatEVs

re: #301 Justanotherhuman

re: #304 Nyet

Yes, it could have been worse. What got me really nervous was the facial expression on the other cop who showed up. He was nervous as hell and distinctly uncomfortable listening to Drew rant. It seemed he was worried about what Peterson was capable of. Scary and makes me wonder what else we don’t know about Peterson. Drew was arrested not long after my encounter with him.

Nothing quite like realizing you were arrested by a serial killer. :(

342 Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2015 6:27:09pm

re: #328 William Barnett-Lewis

Yes - no problem with that post!

343 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 6:27:25pm

re: #306 Targetpractice

Right about now, I imagine the state AG is having a serious case of heart burn over the release of this video. Just how many other cases where this guy was involved was his official report central to the conviction of a suspect? That’s gonna be something haunting them for awhile to come.

How many black people has this cop abused? hmmmm

344 De Kolta Chair  Apr 7, 2015 6:27:44pm

re: #331 FemNaziBitch

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I was hoping Garcia would win, but on the bright side, for the first time in my lifetime the media took someone named Chuy seriously.

345 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 6:28:04pm

re: #308 Jenner7

oh fuck

346 TedStriker  Apr 7, 2015 6:28:05pm

re: #8 Khal Wimpo

In California, that would mean that all the cops who signed off on that report would be gone.

You cannot keep a cop on the force, after he lies on an official police report. His testimony in any case is automatically worthless.

That, of course, is merely the tip of the iceberg with the problems with this department, it seems. For an office to be this out-of-control means that the sergeants, lieutenants and all the way up to captains were failing to exercise adequate supervisorial oversight. Start by bringing cases and building jackets on upper management. At that point, all kinds of stuff starts oozing out as the superiors all drag out the dirt and sling at each other to try to hang onto their miserable jobs.

And, more importantly, out of prison.

Convicts tend to not like cops that get put in slam.

347 Nyet  Apr 7, 2015 6:29:19pm

re: #343 #FergusonFireside

How many black people has this cop abused? hmmmm

It’s probably time for the DOJ to thoroughly go through that department too.

348 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 7, 2015 6:29:28pm

re: #271 Justanotherhuman

This appears to be more often true anymore.

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As a white person, I’ve never had to particularly fear that a cop was going to beat me up or even kill me. Not once in my 74 years, even during my radical political years. And I think this is true of every white person, if they’re honest with themselves.

Me neither. I even had some cops give me a ride home when I was underaged, ran my car off into a ditch and was drunk as fuck. This was 30 years ago. I’m not proud of it, but I really wonder how I wasn’t thrown in jail. I guess I know.

349 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2015 6:29:30pm

yup

:(

350 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 6:29:35pm

re: #311 Charles Johnson

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Kill a black man = rewards from heaven, ur, racists.

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351 Nyet  Apr 7, 2015 6:31:05pm

re: #350 #FergusonFireside

Discriminate against gays, get $1 megabuck.

352 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2015 6:31:22pm
353 jaunte  Apr 7, 2015 6:31:33pm

Slager should be tested for drugs.

354 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 7, 2015 6:31:48pm

re: #341 A Cranky One

Yes, it could have been worse. What got me really nervous was the facial expression on the other cop who showed up. He was nervous as hell and distinctly uncomfortable listening to Drew rant. It seemed he was worried about what Peterson was capable of. Scary and makes me wonder what else we don’t know about Peterson. Drew was arrested not long after my encounter with him.

Nothing quite like realizing you were arrested by a serial killer. :(

A few weeks after the class where he sat behind me ended, a classmate was arrested for the murder of a woman he’d met online.

I don’t really think there’s anything like the spine-crawling feeling of realizing you had interactions with a murderer.

355 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 6:31:57pm

re: #325 FemNaziBitch

You fear for your life from someone running away from you?

In a relatively empty park-like area. Seems like there was plenty of visability.

What, was there a grassy knoll?

It was I’m pissed off murder. That life didn’t matter.

356 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 6:32:04pm

re: #340 FemNaziBitch

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I do know that justifiable shootings have caused many cops some major psycic pain and life upheavals.

(family member and subsequent divorce)

I imagine that’s something that the prosecution is gonna have fun with as well. Whoever takes up Slager’s defense will probably try to argue that, in his mind, the shooting was justified. At which point the prosecution will produce the official report and ask why, if Slager felt he did nothing wrong, does his official version of events contrast so sharply with the contents of this video?

357 jaunte  Apr 7, 2015 6:33:09pm
358 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 7, 2015 6:33:23pm

re: #344 De Kolta Chair

I was hoping Garcia would win, but on the bright side, for the first time in my lifetime the media took someone named Chuy seriously.

I’m kinda depressed Rahm won. D_F will be along to defend his DINO credentials tomorrow, and Chicago will continue to suffer.

359 No Country For Old Haters  Apr 7, 2015 6:33:27pm

re: #271 Justanotherhuman

This appears to be more often true anymore.

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As a white person, I’ve never had to particularly fear that a cop was going to beat me up or even kill me. Not once in my 74 years, even during my radical political years. And I think this is true of every white person, if they’re honest with themselves.

I’m white, and I had a Chicago cop threaten to beat me while I was cuffed, just for asking what I was being charged with when I was arrested for defending myself against an attacker at Union Station. I didn’t even have long hair at the time.

360 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2015 6:33:41pm
361 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 6:34:36pm

re: #332 #FergusonFireside

Ya. Can’t wait for the 2nd half of my life.

I’m a bit more fired up than usual.

I will credit the internet and twitter. Ya’ll, we have never been more connected.

Embrace it, react to it, act on it.

-stanley sea, preacher.

362 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2015 6:35:03pm

So, if the North Charleston cop shop is 80% white, I would imagine it might be incumbent on the 20% who are minorities to watch their own backs. Or the fear might already have been put on them to go along to get along.

Sort of between a rock and a hard place to be on that force, I would imagine, for a minority.

363 Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2015 6:35:18pm

Babycakes is suddenly tweeting about all sorts of other things. He may have realized he was coming across as a monster.

But probably not. I expect him to start viciously attacking Walter Scott soon. Because it’s what he does.

364 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 6:35:48pm

re: #363 Charles Johnson

Babycakes is suddenly tweeting about all sorts of other things. He may have realized he was coming across as a monster.

But probably not. I expect him to start viciously attacking Walter Scott soon. Because it’s what he does.

How long before he starts begging his followers to find him any dirt they can on Scott?

365 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 7, 2015 6:36:02pm

re: #342 Charles Johnson

Yes - no problem with that post!

Thank you, I wanted to make sure. I appreciate your place too much to presume about it.

366 Kragar  Apr 7, 2015 6:36:05pm
367 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 7, 2015 6:37:17pm

Totally OT, but bros will be bros

368 Nyet  Apr 7, 2015 6:37:24pm

That guy who started that fundraiser has white sheets, sorry, papers like this one:

369 De Kolta Chair  Apr 7, 2015 6:41:26pm

re: #354 klys (maker of Silmarils)

A few weeks after the class where he sat behind me ended, a classmate was arrested for the murder of a woman he’d met online.

I don’t really think there’s anything like the spine-crawling feeling of realizing you had interactions with a murderer.

When I was in college, one of my classmates who attended most of the art school parties was arrested and convicted as a serial rapist. Until his arrest and the facts were reported, most of us thought he was a nice guy, fun to be around. Thirty-five years later it still creeps me out.

370 Decatur Deb  Apr 7, 2015 6:41:49pm

re: #367 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Totally OT, but bros will be bros

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The volume seems high, but that’s a routine thing around here. All through Spring Break we watch the cops cull the herd along Rt 231, on the way to the beaches.

371 Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2015 6:42:39pm

A very depressing Todd Kincannon update, but not unexpected: $5,000 Bond for Ex-SCGOP Executive Director Charged With CDV - wistv.com - Columbia, South Carolina

The former executive director of the South Carolina Republican Party received a $5,000 personal recognizance bond during a hearing Tuesday morning on criminal domestic violence charges.

James John Todd Kincannon, 33, appeared in court and begged the judge to not impose a no contact order against him seeing his wife, Ashely Griffith, who alleged Kincannon yelled at her and prevented her from leaving their car after the pair left a gathering on March 26.

Griffith also appeared at the hearing and despite the fact she called 911 on Kincannon during the incident, she told the judge she does not feel endangered by her husband and even asked the judge to not impose the no contact order.

“I do not in any way feel there was a crime committed. I don’t feel endangered for my life at all. I’m not worried about being around him,” Griffith said. “We have had contact since the incident. We have attended counseling sessions. We are working on our communication.”

The state disagreed with Griffith’s story.

“We have, in light of recent testimony given by the victim, the state has evidence to prove otherwise,” a Lexington County law enforcement official said. “We have genuine concerns about the safety and the welfare of the victim.”

“The facts that were given are not true and concise. If, your honor, I could be candidly honest, we are still reviewing evidence and there are some genuine concerns that we have for her safety.”

Kincannon was also given permission to speak during the hearing and threw himself on the mercy of the court.

“My wife testified that she does not believe a crime was committed, the officers that came to the scene the evening of the incident did not find probable cause to arrest,” Kincannon said.

372 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 7, 2015 6:42:44pm

re: #370 Decatur Deb

The volume seems high, but that’s a routine thing around here. All through Spring Break we watch the cops cull the herd along Rt 231, on the way to the beaches.

Yeah, it was the same thing on the Tx coast where I grew up. Still, that’s a metric fuckton of alcohol.

373 jaunte  Apr 7, 2015 6:43:26pm

JUSTICE WHITE delivered the opinion of the Court.

This case requires us to determine the constitutionality of the use of deadly force to prevent the escape of an apparently unarmed suspected felon. We conclude that such force may not be used unless it is necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.
caselaw.lp.findlaw.com

374 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 7, 2015 6:43:44pm

re: #371 Charles Johnson

A very depressing Todd Kincannon update, but not unexpected: $5,000 Bond for Ex-SCGOP Executive Director Charged With CDV - wistv.com - Columbia, South Carolina

$5,000?

375 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2015 6:44:24pm
376 Decatur Deb  Apr 7, 2015 6:44:41pm

re: #372 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Yeah, it was the same thing on the Tx coast where I grew up. Still, that’s a metric fuckton of crappy alcohol.

377 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 7, 2015 6:45:12pm

re: #373 jaunte

The key word there is “felon.” IDK that anything this guy did was a felony, was it?

(also, scary to think how that would be decided under the Roberts court)

378 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 6:45:12pm

re: #346 TedStriker

And, more importantly, out of prison.

Convicts tend to not like cops that get put in slam.

Basically a protection racket. Seriously, again. They are the mob.

379 TedStriker  Apr 7, 2015 6:45:33pm

re: #103 Aunty Entity Dragon

I read last week that American police killed more people in March (around 3 a day) than were killed by UK police since 1900.

Get your big green foam finger, ‘cause we’re number fucking one.

Since January 1st, IIRC.

380 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 7, 2015 6:45:38pm

re: #369 De Kolta Chair

When I was in college, one of my classmates who attended most of the art school parties was arrested and convicted as a serial rapist. Until his arrest and the facts were reported, most of us thought he was a nice guy.

He was nice enough to me, although the subsequent coverage found he could be very pushy towards women/inappropriate behavior. It’s possible the part where my desktop wallpaper at the time was a photo of me with my then-boyfriend made it clear that I wasn’t likely to be interested and I got spared that.

Or he tried and I was oblivious. Also possible.

I considered him at best an acquaintance and it was still the most spine-crawlingly terrifying feeling, to read about the case and see his photo and realize that I knew him.

He got life in prison. I hope that he doesn’t get parole for a long, long time.

381 De Kolta Chair  Apr 7, 2015 6:45:50pm

re: #375 FemNaziBitch

Proof of Bigfoot!!!

382 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 7, 2015 6:46:52pm

re: #376 Decatur Deb

Naty Light is the PBR of millennial frat packs.

383 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 6:46:56pm

re: #347 Nyet

It’s probably time for the DOJ to thoroughly go through that department too.

The DOJ, for what it’s worth, needs to fucking to go national.

The new Jim Crow is alive and killing.

384 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2015 6:47:20pm
385 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 6:47:41pm

re: #371 Charles Johnson

A very depressing Todd Kincannon update, but not unexpected: $5,000 Bond for Ex-SCGOP Executive Director Charged With CDV - wistv.com - Columbia, South Carolina

I’ve no personal experience with battered spouses, but the statements had red flags all over them.

386 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 7, 2015 6:48:08pm

re: #369 De Kolta Chair

When I was in college, one of my classmates who attended most of the art school parties was arrested and convicted as a serial rapist. Until his arrest and the facts were reported, most of us thought he was a nice guy, fun to be around. Thirty-five years later it still creeps me out.

How often have we heard the old serial killer interview with the neighbor. “He seemed nice. Quiet, always kept to himself.”

387 De Kolta Chair  Apr 7, 2015 6:49:33pm

re: #380 klys (maker of Silmarils)

He was nice enough to me, although the subsequent coverage found he could be very pushy towards women/inappropriate behavior.

It’s bad enough to think about that, but even worse imagine being one of his victims, and the thousands of the other victims of so many other assholes.

I have five sisters, two of whom have been raped, and many female friends, several of whom have been raped.

388 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2015 6:49:44pm

re: #359 No Country For Old Haters

I’m white, and I had a Chicago cop threaten to beat me while I was cuffed, just for asking what I was being charged with when I was arrested for defending myself against an attacker at Union Station. I didn’t even have long hair at the time.

I’m sorry that happened to you, but when there is an altercation, many times cops tend to sort it out later and arrest both parties.

And Chicago. Were the Dalys still in charge?

389 FemNaziBitch  Apr 7, 2015 6:50:22pm

bbl

390 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 7, 2015 6:51:43pm

re: #387 De Kolta Chair

It’s bad enough to think about that, but even worse imagine being one of his victims, and the thousands of other victims.

Oh, I know.

Part of the reason I ended up following the case relatively closely. I wanted to understand what I might have missed.

391 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 6:51:47pm

re: #357 jaunte

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Blue line of hell

392 retired cynic  Apr 7, 2015 6:52:21pm

re: #219 Charles Johnson

ARGH!!!

393 jaunte  Apr 7, 2015 6:53:26pm
394 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2015 6:53:50pm

re: #371 Charles Johnson

A very depressing Todd Kincannon update, but not unexpected: $5,000 Bond for Ex-SCGOP Executive Director Charged With CDV - wistv.com - Columbia, South Carolina

Why do I feel that she might wind up dead?

395 TedStriker  Apr 7, 2015 6:55:06pm

re: #130 Charles Johnson

Here he goes.

Within a a day or two, Chuck and the RWNJ Ministry of Truth will have portrayed Scott as a hopped-up gangbanger who took a carton of blunt wrappers from a local shop and who had bales of weed and crates of guns in his trunks.

396 De Kolta Chair  Apr 7, 2015 6:55:51pm

re: #393 jaunte

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Was Mr. Scott in the Navy? According to the NY TImes, Officer Slager served in the Coast Guard.

397 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 6:56:51pm

re: #394 Justanotherhuman

Why do I feel that she might wind up dead?

I have a serious suspicion that she begged the court not to bar contact for fear that it will just make him more angry.

398 Jenner7  Apr 7, 2015 6:57:38pm

re: #396 De Kolta Chair

Funny that they didn’t mention that about Scott.

399 jaunte  Apr 7, 2015 6:57:56pm

re: #396 De Kolta Chair

Looks like Coast Guard:

400 unproven innocence  Apr 7, 2015 6:58:04pm

re: #176 Charles Johnson

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The pixels were utterly inconsistent in size and placement. /

401 Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2015 6:58:37pm

Ugh. Now there’s the GoFundMe page we knew would show up.

Support Officer Michael Slager by Joseph Covington - GoFundMe

402 Jenner7  Apr 7, 2015 6:59:54pm

re: #401 Charles Johnson

Read the first donation with comment. Disgusting.

403 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2015 7:00:14pm

re: #396 De Kolta Chair

Was Mr. Scott in the Navy? According to the NY TImes, Officer Slager served in the Coast Guard.

That’s an enlisted dress cap.

uniforms-4u.com

404 TedStriker  Apr 7, 2015 7:00:48pm

re: #149 #FergusonFireside

You know what killed me? Hands behind your back!!! while Mr. Scott was dying.

Seriously, I know I’m going off, but this is a nail in the coffin for me. Sorry it took so long.

That seems to have become de riguer these days, to throw off eyewitnesses, just like the “he’s going for my weapon” some cops have gotten into screaming for the benefit of the recorders in their cruisers when they know that the camera can’t see all of what’s happening.

405 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 7, 2015 7:01:09pm

re: #375 FemNaziBitch

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When I was stationed in Alaska, in the operations center we had a full body mount of a Kodiak bear. The civilian who ran the air field was also a guide, and that particular bear almost killed him when he followed it into the alders after his client wounded it. It was easily 9 foot tall standing, paws the size of dinner plates. At the time it was still in the top 10 record book for size.

RBS

406 teleskiguy  Apr 7, 2015 7:01:18pm

That video was one of the most disturbing things I have ever seen. The officer’s callousness is evident.

I offered up some thoughts on Twitter.

407 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2015 7:01:40pm

re: #401 Charles Johnson

Ugh. Now there’s the GoFundMe page we knew would show up.

Support Officer Michael Slager by Joseph Covington - GoFundMe

I’ll bet that’s his $10, also. Only amt in 2 hrs. ; )

Edit: Now I see the first donor’s comment. Idiot.

408 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 7:01:46pm

re: #402 Jenner7

Read the first donation with comment. Disgusting.

Yet par for the course. For every person who has started to question just how honest cops are with the public, others are completely devoted to the idea that cops are above question.

409 Kragar  Apr 7, 2015 7:02:39pm
410 TedStriker  Apr 7, 2015 7:03:32pm

re: #158 FemNaziBitch

It seems that local government has taken this murder seriously and acted quickly. This, I think will help tremendously.

The longer the family has to wait for an investigation to conclude and/or trial the worse it is.

Because, given the video, they didn’t have a fucking choice.

411 jaunte  Apr 7, 2015 7:03:55pm

re: #409 Kragar

“Just yet” leaving himself wiggle room to back away when he finds he’s totally wrong again.

412 De Kolta Chair  Apr 7, 2015 7:04:31pm

re: #399 jaunte

Looks like Coast Guard:

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Two of my uncles served in the Coast Guard, so that insignia looked familar, but I thought it would be too sadly ironic to guess that they were both Coasties.

What in the living fuck is going on in this great nation?

413 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 7:05:49pm

re: #410 TedStriker

Because, given the video, they didn’t have a fucking choice.

Indeed, if you read the initial story from Sunday, they seemed content to just wait weeks or months for a “final report” before considering any action. And were already setting the grounds for Slager’s defense by saying there were eyewitnesses who backed up his story. The autopsy report would have blown a hole in said story, which is why it would never have been made available to the public until after the case had been closed, if ever.

414 jaunte  Apr 7, 2015 7:06:09pm

re: #412 De Kolta Chair

Bullies attracted to an authoritarian job with little accountability for violent acting out.

415 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 7:06:24pm

re: #408 Targetpractice

Yet par for the course. For every person who has started to question just how honest cops are with the public, others are completely devoted to the idea that cops are above question.

And yet, no good cop a cometh.

Fuck the Police,

416 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 7:07:28pm

re: #409 Kragar

Engage

417 A Cranky One  Apr 7, 2015 7:08:26pm

re: #390 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Oh, I know.

Part of the reason I ended up following the case relatively closely. I wanted to understand what I might have missed.

You understand that scary, “oh shit” moment when you find out how close you were to danger without knowing. No fun.

418 teleskiguy  Apr 7, 2015 7:09:27pm

Cops in Aspen are a trip. Just the nicest, most approachable police you’d ever encounter. Then again, Aspen isn’t exactly a high-crime area.

419 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 7, 2015 7:11:27pm

Question: What is a good file host for a 120k pdf file that I wish to attach to a Page I am putting together?

Thanks!

420 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 7, 2015 7:11:28pm

re: #323 Charles Johnson

And now the fundraising campaign for Michael Slager that @ChuckCJohnson hyped earlier is completely gone.

The organizers apparently got around to watching the video. No, I am not so silly as to think they were influenced by the graphic proof of the cop’s guilt. it’s more like they thought “Hey, we support putting the ni(clangs) in their place and all, but do you have to be so friggin’ obvious about it?”

421 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2015 7:11:39pm

Guy was a corrections officer and reserve police officer.

Officer arrested in child porn investigation

king5.com

(snip)

[Sgt James] Mjor said the investigation began when security officers at Microsoft noticed the electronic signature of well-known and frequently-traded images of child pornography on Boone’s Microsoft SkyDrive account. They contacted the Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force, which in turn referred the matter to law enforcement.

Detectives used the information to obtain the search warrant, which led to Boone’s arrest. More

422 Kragar  Apr 7, 2015 7:12:27pm

So my Mom posts a link to the shooting on Facebook simply stating OMG an her idiot neighbors chime in “suicide by cop” and “he got what he deserved.”

Pretty sure I pissed them off.

423 De Kolta Chair  Apr 7, 2015 7:12:45pm

re: #403 Justanotherhuman

That’s an enlisted dress cap.

uniforms-4u.com

Never mind. Thanks.

424 jaunte  Apr 7, 2015 7:13:04pm

re: #422 Kragar

Pretty sure I pissed them off.

Good.

425 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 7, 2015 7:13:44pm

re: #393 jaunte

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A Coastie? Hella hard job. Damn, I hope they actually convict that cop but this is still SC. I won’t hold my breath.

426 elizajane  Apr 7, 2015 7:14:31pm

re: #10 Kid A

“When are you going to start talking about all the black-on-black killing? Most blacks are killed by blacks!”

This is not a hypothesis about the response, it is actually what I’m reading in comment sections of articles in local (SC) newspapers.

427 Kragar  Apr 7, 2015 7:14:54pm

re: #423 De Kolta Chair

Please explain further, my friend. I’m not hip to that.

Uniforms come in 3 basic classes, Dress, Service, and utility.

Dress is for formal occasions.

Service is for official business and certain duty posts.

Utility is the general work uniform.

428 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2015 7:14:54pm
429 ObserverArt  Apr 7, 2015 7:15:08pm

Well here we are, another police incident revealing we have a lot of scum in our society.

It is just sickening.

Later everyone. I’ve read, seen and heard too much. Sometimes I just flat out do not understand America anymore.

430 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 7:15:11pm

re: #418 teleskiguy

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Cops in Aspen are a trip. Just the nicest, most approachable police you’d ever encounter. Then again, Aspen isn’t exactly a high-crime area.

Aspen to me would be really really white. How do the few black folks feel

431 lostlakehiker  Apr 7, 2015 7:15:39pm

re: #1 thedopefishlives

The only reason this cop is getting charged is because there is indisputable video evidence. I hate to say it because I have family who are good cops, but let’s face it - there are a lot of “bad apples” in police forces across the country, enough to make you wonder if it’s a systemic problem.

This is why I’ve been saying all along that there should be video of every last cop-civilian interaction. Both for cases like this one, in which the video makes it obvious that the cop is in the wrong, and for cases like Ferguson, where if we had had video, we probably wouldn’t have had riots.

432 BlueSpotinAL  Apr 7, 2015 7:16:37pm

re: #376 Decatur Deb

Gulf Shores is way too nice a place to bring that crap. Go on over to Panama City Beach.

433 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2015 7:17:26pm
434 lostlakehiker  Apr 7, 2015 7:17:54pm

re: #395 TedStriker

Within a a day or two, Chuck and the RWNJ Ministry of Truth will have portrayed Scott as a hopped-up gangbanger who took a carton of blunt wrappers from a local shop and who had bales of weed and crates of guns in his trunks.

I’ll bet not. Because they won’t have anything to work with. Instead, they’ll just pick another topic and rattle away about it, while keeping silent on this one.

435 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2015 7:18:47pm

In regard to the family presser:

436 jaunte  Apr 7, 2015 7:19:04pm

re: #433 Justanotherhuman

the man who videotaped the situation will make public statements at a later date

What’s sad is, he probably has to make a lot of arrangements to assure his safety and hide his location before he comes out in public.

437 De Kolta Chair  Apr 7, 2015 7:20:00pm

re: #427 Kragar

Thanks much for the info, Kragar.

438 lostlakehiker  Apr 7, 2015 7:21:43pm

re: #430 #FergusonFireside

Aspen to me would be really really white. How do the few black folks feel

Aspen is so white the whites feel out of place. Not so much the whiteness, really, but just the sheer smell of money about the place.

The “service industry” workers live down the road, for all I know in tent settlements. Because they can’t possibly be earning enough to rent even the simplest of the housing that’s on the market in Aspen.

439 Kragar  Apr 7, 2015 7:22:07pm

re: #437 De Kolta Chair

Thanks much for the info, Kragar.

Photo showing a variety of Coast Guard uniforms. From Left: Service Dress White, Tropical Blue, Service Dress Blue, Winter Dress Blue, Camouflage Utility Uniform, Operational Dress Uniform

440 TedStriker  Apr 7, 2015 7:22:21pm

re: #279 Charles Johnson

re: #284 Targetpractice

Michael Brown was stopped for walking in the street, Eric Garner for suspicion of selling untaxed cigarettes, John Crawford was shot for holding a toy gun, Tamir Rice for the same.

But remember, in every case, the cop “feared for his life.”

The more of these incidents happen, the more I think of Col. Troutman’s dressdown of Sheriff Will Teasle from First Blood:

Sheriff Teasle: He was just another drifter who broke the law!

Col. Trautman: Vagrancy, wasn’t it? That’s gonna look real good on his gravestone in Arlington: Here lies John Rambo, winner of the Congressional Medal of Honor, survivor of countless incursions behind enemy lines. Killed for vagrancy in Jerkwater, USA.

Teasle: Now don’t give me any of that crap, Trautman. Do you think Rambo was the only guy who had a tough time in Vietnam? He killed a police officer for Christ’s sake!

Trautman: You’re goddamn lucky he didn’t kill all of you.

441 Justanotherhuman  Apr 7, 2015 7:22:24pm

Later, Lizards!

Keep calm when the burden is heavy. : /

442 psddluva4evah  Apr 7, 2015 7:23:21pm

re: #413 Targetpractice

yep,

Police and witnesses say Scott tried to run from Slager before turning to fight for the officer’s Taser. It was during that scuffle that the officer fired his service weapon, fatally wounding Scott.

abcnews4.com

443 Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2015 7:23:53pm

Chuck is zeroing in on the hateful crap he’s going to spew.

444 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 7, 2015 7:24:31pm

re: #284 Targetpractice

Michael Brown was stopped for walking in the street, Eric Garner for suspicion of selling untaxed cigarettes, John Crawford was shot for holding a toy gun, Tamir Rice for the same.

But remember, in every case, the cop “feared for his life.”

John Crawford and Tamir Rice never even had a chance to drop the toys in question. They were dead before they could even react to armed people screaming and shooting at them. Video in both cases is utterly damning.

445 Timothy Watson  Apr 7, 2015 7:25:18pm

re: #409 Kragar

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Fucking asshole, the guy who shot the the Rodney King video took it to the police and the officers’ captain told him they had done nothing wrong and refused to watch the video.

446 lostlakehiker  Apr 7, 2015 7:25:31pm

re: #415 #FergusonFireside

And yet, no good cop a cometh.

Fuck the Police,

This guy isn’t at all typical of the cops I’ve met. I’ve seen a riot where the rioters were the cops, but even then, they didn’t kill anybody. And most of what I’ve seen of cops is them giving me tickets I had coming, or being helpful. On the whole, they really do protect and serve.

447 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 7:27:36pm

re: #422 Kragar

So my Mom posts a link to the shooting on Facebook simply stating OMG an her idiot neighbors chime in “suicide by cop” and “he got what he deserved.”

Pretty sure I pissed them off.

Just talked to my Florida brother, they hate us for our human rights. Seriously, when the conver turned, I hung upl

448 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 7:28:08pm

re: #443 Charles Johnson

Chuck is zeroing in on the hateful crap he’s going to spew.

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Yes, arrested for A&B in 1987.

449 De Kolta Chair  Apr 7, 2015 7:28:25pm

re: #439 Kragar

When the attack on Pearl Harbor was announced over the radio, my dad’s two older brothers got sloshed and decided that the safest course of action was to join the Coast Guard. They figured they’d be literally out of harm’s way guarding America’s coastline. A few months later they were surprised, to say the least, to find themselves knee deep in the Pacific Theater of Operations. Fortunately for them, they both survived to tell their tales.

450 jaunte  Apr 7, 2015 7:28:37pm
451 Mattand  Apr 7, 2015 7:28:42pm

re: #446 lostlakehiker

This guy isn’t at all typical of the cops I’ve met. I’ve seen a riot where the rioters were the cops, but even then, they didn’t kill anybody. And most of what I’ve seen of cops is them giving me tickets I had coming, or being helpful. On the whole, they really do protect and serve.

Are you white? That’s going to make a big difference in your interaction with the cops.

452 jaunte  Apr 7, 2015 7:29:02pm
453 jaunte  Apr 7, 2015 7:31:18pm
454 Decatur Deb  Apr 7, 2015 7:31:22pm

re: #447 #FergusonFireside

Just talked to my Florida brother, they hate us for our human rights. Seriously, when the conver turned, I hung upl

That’s pretty screwed up. Even the Freepers are mostly coming down on the sane side.

455 Kragar  Apr 7, 2015 7:33:21pm

re: #449 De Kolta Chair

When the attack on Pearl Harbor was announced over the radio, my dad’s two older brothers got sloshed and decided the safest course of action was to join the Coast Guard. They figured they’d be literally be out of harm’s way guarding America’s coastline. A few months later they were surprised, to say the least, to find themselves knee deep in the Pacific Theater of Operations. Fortunately for them, they both survived to tell their tales.

Upon hearing about Pearl Harbor, my maternal Grandfather left home and enlisted in the army, eventually becoming a flame thrower man in the Pacific.

He was a Sgt and had been serving for 2 years when they learned he had lied about his age and enlisted when he was 15.

456 darthstar  Apr 7, 2015 7:33:26pm

Okay…looks like this is going to be the topic of the internet for another little while. Back to watching baseball. I really don’t give a crap what Chuck C. Johnson has to say - he’s just trying to generate clicks.

457 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 7:33:27pm

re: #454 Decatur Deb

That’s pretty screwed up. Even the Freepers are mostly coming down on the sane side.

I’m not sure if there’s been newer threads, but as I read through the most recent thread after the video was released, you could see the tide shift. They started out convinced that it was another “Cop punished for doing his job” case, but quickly dropped that as soon as they began watching the video and seeing just how fucked Slager is.

458 Decatur Deb  Apr 7, 2015 7:33:48pm

re: #449 De Kolta Chair

When the attack on Pearl Harbor was announced over the radio, my dad’s two older brothers got sloshed and decided the safest course of action was to join the Coast Guard. They figured they’d be literally out of harm’s way guarding America’s coastline. A few months later they were surprised, to say the least, to find themselves knee deep in the Pacific Theater of Operations. Fortunately for them, they both survived to tell their tales.

The Higgins landing craft that took people to very bad places were manned by USCG.

459 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 7:34:11pm

re: #436 jaunte

What’s sad is, he probably has to make a lot of arrangements to assure his safety and hide his location before he comes out in public.

And fucking pay the 18 fines he has that amount to arrest

460 Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2015 7:35:27pm
461 jaunte  Apr 7, 2015 7:36:10pm
462 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 7:36:25pm

re: #444 Aunty Entity Dragon

John Crawford and Tamir Rice never even had a chance to drop the toys in question. They were dead before they could even react to armed people screaming and shooting at them. Video in both cases is utterly damning.

And no one pays.

Troubles.

463 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 7, 2015 7:38:18pm

re: #460 Charles Johnson

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It’s much like watching a rather large and stinky turd circle again and again in the toilet.

RBS

464 jaunte  Apr 7, 2015 7:39:04pm
465 Kragar  Apr 7, 2015 7:39:17pm

re: #460 Charles Johnson

466 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 7:40:03pm

re: #446 lostlakehiker

This guy isn’t at all typical of the cops I’ve met. I’ve seen a riot where the rioters were the cops, but even then, they didn’t kill anybody. And most of what I’ve seen of cops is them giving me tickets I had coming, or being helpful. On the whole, they really do protect and serve.

Yo white in a white society.

I appreciate your comment, and I definitely appreciate good cops.

Just like I like the good CPA’s rather then the thieving CPA’s.

There is a huge problem though. it’s on us, the ones not targeted to call it out.

467 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 7, 2015 7:40:16pm

I have put together a page that I hope some of you will stop by and take a look at. As some of you have seen and read, I’ve been working on a modern and liberal take on what it means to live a Christian life in America. Things are very tight for me up in the Northwoods so I’m have started a GoFundMe fundraiser to try and help make it possible for me to finish this work while not going insane worrying about my bills.

Religion is too important to be left only to the wingnuts.

My page is here: littlegreenfootballs.com

Thanks!

468 Timothy Watson  Apr 7, 2015 7:40:44pm

re: #445 Timothy Watson

The man who recorded the King video, George Holliday, grew up in Argentina:

The DVD will have an interview with George, who’s still astounded by the incident. “I was thinking, ‘What did the guy do to deserve this beating?’ I came from a different culture, where people would get disappeared with no due process. Police would pick people up on suspicion. I didn’t expect this in the U.S.”

latimes.com

469 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 7:41:17pm

re: #450 jaunte

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On to April.

470 De Kolta Chair  Apr 7, 2015 7:42:39pm

re: #455 Kragar

Upon hearing about Pearl Harbor, my maternal Grandfather left home and enlisted in the army, eventually becoming a flame thrower man in the Pacific.

He was a Sgt and had been serving for 2 years when they learned he had lied about his age and enlisted when he was 15.

I’m sure you already know the punch line of this question, but you know what a soldier or sailor carrying a flame thrower on his back was called?

A moving target.

That was the person snipers were looking out for the most.

Worst job description ever. I salute your grandpa, the crazy SOB kid. ;-)

471 Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2015 7:42:41pm
472 Dark_Falcon  Apr 7, 2015 7:44:12pm

re: #62 Nyet

They are trying to push the anti-recording laws through.

In Illinois they’ve consistently succeeded, in large part because the endorsement of police unions is greatly. sought after.

473 Pawn of the Oppressor  Apr 7, 2015 7:44:32pm

re: #440 TedStriker

The more of these incidents happen, the more I think of Col. Troutman’s dressdown of Sheriff Will Teasle from First Blood:

This gives rise to an interesting experiment -

Reboot Rambo. Cast a black guy. Watch the reactions…

474 teleskiguy  Apr 7, 2015 7:47:03pm

re: #430 #FergusonFireside

Aspen to me would be really really white. How do the few black folks feel

I don’t speak for Aspen, but the few black folks I know (in the next valley over from Aspen) love it here.

475 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 7, 2015 7:47:39pm

re: #446 lostlakehiker

This guy isn’t at all typical of the cops I’ve met. I’ve seen a riot where the rioters were the cops, but even then, they didn’t kill anybody. And most of what I’ve seen of cops is them giving me tickets I had coming, or being helpful. On the whole, they really do protect and serve.

It helps a lot if you don’t have brown skin.

476 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 7, 2015 7:48:45pm

re: #422 Kragar

So my Mom posts a link to the shooting on Facebook simply stating OMG an her idiot neighbors chime in “suicide by cop” and “he got what he deserved.”

Pretty sure I pissed them off.

Wow. :(

477 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 7, 2015 7:50:11pm

re: #412 De Kolta Chair

Two of my uncles served in the Coast Guard, so that insignia looked familar, but I thought it would be too sadly ironic to guess that they were both Coasties.

What in the living fuck is going on in this great nation?

I’ve seen enough documentary evidence that Coasties deserve just as much respect as the other armed forces. Those are some badasses.

478 lostlakehiker  Apr 7, 2015 7:50:12pm

re: #271 Justanotherhuman

This appears to be more often true anymore.

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As a white person, I’ve never had to particularly fear that a cop was going to beat me up or even kill me. Not once in my 74 years, even during my radical political years. And I think this is true of every white person, if they’re honest with themselves.

Tell that to the McCarthy delegates to the 1968 Democratic convention in Chicago.

479 Dark_Falcon  Apr 7, 2015 7:50:35pm

re: #470 De Kolta Chair

I’m sure you already know the punch line of this question, but you know what a soldier or sailor carrying a flame thrower in his back was called?

A moving target.

That was the person snipers were looking out for the most.

Worst job description ever. I salute your grandpa.

I’d argue being part of the crew of a flamethrower equipped tank was also a contender for that title. Their was the very real chance a penetrating hit would cause you to be immolated and few soldiers in World War II were (or even today are) willing to take the surrender of a crewman* of such a vehicle. Most such for fell into enemy hands were summarily executed.

*: Or crewwoman, as a shortage of capable tank drivers meant that a small number of Red Army OT-34s (flamethrower-equipped Soviet T-34s, which could have either the 76mm or 85mm gun) were driven by women.

480 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 7, 2015 7:50:57pm

re: #473 Pawn of the Oppressor

This gives rise to an interesting experiment -

Reboot Rambo. Cast a black guy. Watch the reactions…

Two words: Idris Elba

I’d pay real good money to see that.

481 Kragar  Apr 7, 2015 7:51:09pm

re: #470 De Kolta Chair

I’m sure you already know the punch line of this question, but you know what a soldier or sailor carrying a flame thrower in his back was called?

A moving target.

That was the person snipers were looking out for the most.

Worst job description ever. I salute your grandpa.

The Army and USMC employed flamer throwers differently during the war.

IIRC, the Army created dedicated assault teams, consisting of multiple flamethrower teams, supported by demolition teams, engineers, and bazookas.

The Marines would attach the flamethrower teams to existing units, based on their missions and operational needs.

Been a while since I read up on them.

482 #FergusonFireside  Apr 7, 2015 7:53:44pm

re: #472 Dark_Falcon

I wrote my response. Deleted it.

DF, the police have not proven themselves to be on our side.

483 lostlakehiker  Apr 7, 2015 7:54:57pm

re: #481 Kragar

The Army and USMC employed flamer throwers differently during the war.

IIRC, the Army created dedicated assault teams, consisting of multiple flamethrower teams, supported by demolition teams, engineers, and bazookas.

The Marines would attach the flamethrower teams to existing units, based on their missions and operational needs.

Been since I read up on them.

Flame thrower carriers and snipers took third or fourth place in target priorities. The first two were lieutenants and their radio men.

The radio was what called down the artillery. The lieutenant was the one who called it down where it would hurt. One of my wife’s uncles carried a radio around some of those Pacific islands.

484 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 7:55:19pm

re: #471 Charles Johnson

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He’s not going to accept that Scott posed no threat to Slager and was fleeing when he was shot. It’s going to be the Wilson defense again, the idea that Scott was big and black, and thus a “danger” to Slager no matter how much distance he put between them.

485 De Kolta Chair  Apr 7, 2015 7:55:37pm

re: #480 William Barnett-Lewis

Two words: Idris Elba

I’d pay real good money to see that.

I’m Idris Elba’s biggest fan, but Prometheus, WTF? //

486 Dark_Falcon  Apr 7, 2015 7:57:30pm

re: #482 #FergusonFireside

I wrote my response. Deleted it.

DF, the police have not proven themselves to be on our side.

I was not expressing support for the anti-police-photography laws in place in Illinois. I was only noting the success of law enforcement organizations in getting those laws passed and a reason for that success.

487 lostlakehiker  Apr 7, 2015 7:58:04pm

re: #475 Aunty Entity Dragon

It helps a lot if you don’t have brown skin.

I really don’t know how much of a behavioral and profile side there is to it, but one of my sons dresses unconventionally and gets stopped a lot. And on the other side of the ledger, I take pains to be polite. My wife wins the trophy though. Once, we were speeding through St. Louis on the interstate a couple days before Christmas, heading to family, and got caught. Ticketed. And when the cop handed her the ticket, she wished him a Merry Christmas. Not sarcastically, but for real.

488 Kragar  Apr 7, 2015 7:58:44pm

re: #483 lostlakehiker

Flame thrower carriers and snipers took third or fourth place in target priorities. The first two were lieutenants and their radio men.

The radio was what called down the artillery. The lieutenant was the one who called it down where it would hurt. One of my wife’s uncles carried a radio around some of those Pacific islands.

Back when I was in the infantry, our Company Commander had us write up an essay on a weapon which changed the way we fought wars.

Lots of guys picked gunpowders and airplanes. I was the only one to pick the man portable radio. Won me a free 96.

489 Kragar  Apr 7, 2015 7:59:05pm

re: #485 De Kolta Chair

I’m Idris Elba’s biggest fan, but Prometheus, WTF? //

Mistakes were made.

490 jaunte  Apr 7, 2015 7:59:40pm

re: #471 Charles Johnson

491 Kragar  Apr 7, 2015 7:59:50pm
492 De Kolta Chair  Apr 7, 2015 8:00:12pm

re: #481 Kragar

The Army and USMC employed flamer throwers differently during the war.

Obviously a good time was not had by all.

493 Dark_Falcon  Apr 7, 2015 8:00:15pm

re: #480 William Barnett-Lewis

Two words: Idris Elba

I’d pay real good money to see that.

He wouldn’t take the role, since the level of hate that would be aimed at him would damage his career. I seriously doubt Elba would want to be at the center of one of America’s Battles of the Culture War.

494 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 8:00:15pm

re: #489 Kragar

Mistakes were made.

I don’t think we want to spend time going down the list of mistakes in that film. We could be here awhile.

495 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 7, 2015 8:00:29pm

re: #491 Kragar

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Given his father I thought he was named after the gold coin.
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496 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 7, 2015 8:02:40pm

re: #488 Kragar

Back when I was in the infantry, our Company Commander had us write up an essay on a weapon which changed the way we fought wars.

Lots of guys picked gunpowders and airplanes. I was the only one to pick the man portable radio. Won me a free 96.

Good officer and a hell of a prize. Hope you got to take it at payday :D

497 lostlakehiker  Apr 7, 2015 8:02:59pm

re: #484 Targetpractice

He’s not going to accept that Scott posed no threat to Slager and was fleeing when he was shot. It’s going to be the Wilson defense again, the idea that Scott was big and black, and thus a “danger” to Slager no matter how much distance he put between them.

That stands zero chance. It’s so lame it probably won’t even be attempted. Scott was big and black, but too big to have had any chance of catching Slager in a footrace and anyhow was running away, not at Slager.

I wouldn’t want to be Slager’s attorney. Even if I were some high-powered hot shot who just lived to get the guilty off, I wouldn’t want. Because this case is a lost cause. The best strategy the defense may have would be to plead guilty but talk about extenuating circumstances [there’s always the badly scraped toast the cop had for breakfast, or something] and try to get a reduced sentence.

498 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 7, 2015 8:03:17pm

re: #487 lostlakehiker

I really don’t know how much of a behavioral and profile side there is to it, but one of my sons dresses unconventionally and gets stopped a lot. And on the other side of the ledger, I take pains to be polite. My wife wins the trophy though. Once, we were speeding through St. Louis on the interstate a couple days before Christmas, heading to family, and got caught. Ticketed. And when the cop handed her the ticket, she wished him a Merry Christmas. Not sarcastically, but for real.

A young white woman living south of Chicago wrote about her adopted black brother a couple of months ago. (don’t have the link right now)

She mentioned she has been pulled over precisely once by Chicago PD. her brother has been pulled over 40+ times.

Sure, it’s an anecdote…but the actual data at this point is utterly fucking overwhelming.

Police…black cops included…treat white men and women very differently from black men, and the fatalities keep piling up.

499 Dark_Falcon  Apr 7, 2015 8:04:37pm

re: #492 De Kolta Chair

Obviously a good time was not had by all.

Different experiences. For the US, flame throwers saw their greatest effect in the Pacific. The opportunities for their use in Europe were far less, as the Germans fought fewer battles from behind field fortifications. Most American assaults on German fortifications were against purpose-built positions and Germany built its fortifications to have considerable protection from flame-based weapons. This was because the German Army had been the leader in flamethrower development and use during World War I, and as such was fully alive to the dangers of such weapons being used against it.

500 Kragar  Apr 7, 2015 8:05:04pm

re: #492 De Kolta Chair

Obviously a good time was not had by all.

40k reference snuck in.

501 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 7, 2015 8:05:06pm

re: #497 lostlakehiker

You never know.

The Fullerton cops that beat a homeless man to death on video fucking brazened it out and walked away after convincing jurors that beating non resisting suspects was part of their training…

502 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 7, 2015 8:05:46pm

re: #498 Aunty Entity Dragon

A young white woman living south of Chicago wrote about her adopted black brother a couple of months ago. (don’t have the link right now)

She mentioned she has been pulled over precisely once by Chicago PD. her brother has been pulled over 40+ times.

Sure, it’s an anecdote…but the actual data at this point is utterly fucking overwhelming.

Police…black cops included…treat white men and women very differently from black men, and the fatalities keep piling up.

My priest has two sons adopted from Liberia. They’re at risk even up here in the middle of flyover just because. My asian son too, though it’s not as bad overall but he could get mistaken for Native American this close to the Rez and that is just as bad.

503 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 7, 2015 8:06:18pm

I hate to say it but I think the cop will get off.

504 lostlakehiker  Apr 7, 2015 8:06:42pm

re: #501 Aunty Entity Dragon

You never know.

The Fullerton cops that beat a homeless man to death on video fucking brazened it out and walked away after convincing jurors that beating non resisting suspects was part of their training…

It’ll be a tall order convincing a jury that shooting fleeing suspects in the back eight times was part of his training. The video speaks for itself. There’s no verbal handstands that will get the man around it.

505 WhatEVs  Apr 7, 2015 8:06:53pm

re: #480 William Barnett-Lewis

Two words: Idris Elba

I’d pay real good money to see that.

I’d pay good money for “Luther” in anything. Elba is fabulous.

506 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Apr 7, 2015 8:07:03pm

Gubmint is a bunch of tyrannical Pol Pot Stalin Hitlers, infinitely corrupt and intractably incompetent.

Except for the cops, who can never do anything wrong and must always be given the benefit of the doubt and assumed to be noble and blameless at all times.

Jesus Hernandez Christ, these people.

507 lostlakehiker  Apr 7, 2015 8:07:03pm

re: #503 Eclectic Cyborg

I hate to say it but I think the cop will get off.

I place my bet now. Guilty as charged.

508 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 7, 2015 8:07:03pm

re: #503 Eclectic Cyborg

I hate to say it but I think the cop will get off.

My guess is he’ll get convicted of a minor offense and sentenced to time served.

509 De Kolta Chair  Apr 7, 2015 8:07:18pm

re: #489 Kragar

Mistakes were made.

And the less said about the last season of Luther the better. Shite and onions, that was awful.

510 Kragar  Apr 7, 2015 8:07:54pm

re: #499 Dark_Falcon

Terrain also played into it. The jungles and mountains of the Pacific islands made it difficult to bring in armor or artillery to bear on hard points, meaning infantry need more options to deal with them.

511 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 7, 2015 8:08:56pm

re: #502 William Barnett-Lewis

My priest has two sons adopted from Liberia. They’re at risk even up here in the middle of flyover just because. My asian son too, though it’s not as bad overall but he could get mistaken for Native American this close to the Rez and that is just as bad.

A friend of mine is mixed race white and Asian and often gets mistaken for being Latino. You’d be surprised (ok, maybe not) at how many “wetback” comments she’s had come her way.

It’s so messed up. She was born here, I wasn’t but I’m the white guy so who do you think gets branded as an “immigrant” more often? Yup, not me.

512 WhatEVs  Apr 7, 2015 8:09:44pm

re: #485 De Kolta Chair

I’m Idris Elba’s biggest fan, but Prometheus, WTF? //

Same can be said for Rapace who’s usually pretty good, too. But, yeah, Prometheus kinda sucked.

513 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Apr 7, 2015 8:09:47pm

re: #480 William Barnett-Lewis

I just recently got around to watching “The Wire” when it showed up on Amazon Prime streaming. I had watched Luther before and loved it.

I can’t remember who it was that suggested Idriss Alba should play James Bond. I’m not a fan of the James Bond franchise, but I would be all over that if it came to be.

514 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 8:09:53pm

re: #508 William Barnett-Lewis

My guess is he’ll get convicted of a minor offense and sentenced to time served.

I’m gonna guess the murder charge gets busted down to something more minor, such as “reckless endangerment,” and he walks on probation.

515 lostlakehiker  Apr 7, 2015 8:10:06pm

To clarify, I predict a verdict of guilty of first degree murder, and a sentence of at least ten years. Which would be too little, but I realize that first time offenders who have “only” killed one person are not likely to get life, say.

516 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 7, 2015 8:10:38pm

re: #515 lostlakehiker

Ten years for a cop? Wishful thinking IMO.

517 lostlakehiker  Apr 7, 2015 8:11:51pm

re: #516 Eclectic Cyborg

Ten years for a cop? Wishful thinking IMO.

Ah, you underestimate me. What I’m wishing for is a lot more than that. But we’ll see as to how the trial, the verdict, and the sentencing go. I’ve put in my bracket.

518 Kragar  Apr 7, 2015 8:12:36pm
519 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 8:13:03pm

One thing to keep in mind in these predictions is there’s no sense that the department or the city wanted to really dig too deeply into the events of that day before the video was made public. I get the sense that he’s only facing a murder charge now because there’s no way to excuse Slager’s actions. Which makes me wonder if the prosecutor won’t just try to get him to plead out to a lesser charge so this whole matter goes away.

520 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Apr 7, 2015 8:13:08pm

re: #509 De Kolta Chair

And the less said about the last season of Luther the better. Shite and onions, that was awful.

There was only one season. What are you talking about?

I have noticed that a lot of people on the internet seem to live in a sad and scary world. They believe “The X-Files” extended beyond season 5. They believe that there was a 6th season of “Lost”. Hell, some of them even believe that there was a series of Star Wars “prequels”. Can you imagine? Some people.

521 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 7, 2015 8:13:28pm

Well, time to head off for the motel and another night of putting away the laundry, mopping floors, checking the day’s receipts & making breakfast for the guests :)

I’m going to pimp my page one more time:

littlegreenfootballs.com

and then be on my way.

Have a good night, Lizards.

522 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 8:13:58pm

re: #520 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

There was only one season. What are you talking about?

I have noticed that a lot of people on the internet seem to live in a sad and scary world. They believe “The X-Files” extended beyond season 5. They believe that there was a 6th season of “Lost”. Hell, some of them even believe that there was a series of Star Wars “prequels”. Can you imagine? Some people.

I remember them talking about sequels to The Matrix. Too bad they never got made.

523 Kragar  Apr 7, 2015 8:14:37pm

Campaign Strategy: Hoping college-aged white males come to comprise over half of U.S. population

524 WhatEVs  Apr 7, 2015 8:14:41pm

re: #508 William Barnett-Lewis

My guess is he’ll get convicted of a minor offense and sentenced to time served.

If that. I’m not holding my breath.

525 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 7, 2015 8:14:45pm

re: #488 Kragar

Back when I was in the infantry, our Company Commander had us write up an essay on a weapon which changed the way we fought wars.

Lots of guys picked gunpowders and airplanes. I was the only one to pick the man portable radio. Won me a free 96.

I would go with horseback cavalry. Completely changed warfare.

If you didn’t have them, you really wished you did.

By the time you get to the Spaniards infamous rout of an overwhelmingly superior Native American force (168 guys with awkward black powder weapons and cavalry vs 8,000 of native American infantry with another 80,000 nearby at Cajamarca) the armored man on horseback with a lance was a weapon system with over 3,000 years of development, and it was shockingly destructive.

526 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 7, 2015 8:15:00pm

re: #522 Targetpractice

I remember them talking about sequels to The Matrix. Too bad they never got made.

You’d have thought that sequels to Aliens or Highlander would have been made too…

(now I really am leaving :D )

527 Kragar  Apr 7, 2015 8:15:23pm

re: #522 Targetpractice

I remember them talking about sequels to The Matrix. Too bad they never got made.

I heard the same thing about Highlander.

528 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 7, 2015 8:15:34pm

I’d like to be very clear (and I may page some more of these thoughts later) that I do not revel or enjoy my status as a “Privileged white man” (tm). I do not and have never expected any special or preferential treatment because of my skin color.

I don’t think of myself as white. I don’t think of myself as caucasian. I don’t think of myself as special. I think of myself as human, pure and simple. A human with the same hopes, fears, loves and dreams as any other. Strip the skin off and we’re all exactly the same.

The fact that my life, is almost by default made easier due to my skin color is enough to make me sick to my stomach.

That racism is still so prevalent in America in 2015…what have we spent 50 years fighting for?

Skin color is so not worth destroying ourselves over. Racist attitudes were a waste of time 500 years ago, a waste of time 50 years ago and a waste of time now.

We really should be better than this.

529 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 7, 2015 8:15:48pm

re: #520 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

There was only one season. What are you talking about?

I have noticed that a lot of people on the internet seem to live in a sad and scary world. They believe “The X-Files” extended beyond season 5. They believe that there was a 6th season of “Lost”. Hell, some of them even believe that there was a series of Star Wars “prequels”. Can you imagine? Some people.

They are from the alternate reality where Highlander was more than a single movie.
/

530 Dark_Falcon  Apr 7, 2015 8:16:59pm

re: #502 William Barnett-Lewis

My priest has two sons adopted from Liberia. They’re at risk even up here in the middle of flyover just because. My asian son too, though it’s not as bad overall but he could get mistaken for Native American this close to the Rez and that is just as bad.

Though it must be said they’re still at less risk here than they would have been in Liberia.

I know that doesn’t make things any better, since our police should be held to a high standard. But still I felt it worth noting that it can always be worse. Before the proliferation of video cameras this Charleston cop would have simply spun a story out of whole cloth about how he was ‘justified’ and that story would have held up because he said so. Thanks to video, he’s been charged and he’ll almost certainly never work as a cop again. He might avoid prison (though I don’t think he will), but he won’t keep his job.

531 The Ghost of a Flea  Apr 7, 2015 8:18:35pm

re: #523 Kragar

Campaign Strategy: Hoping college-aged white males come to comprise over half of U.S. population

“I’m pro-weed.

By which I mean, I’m pro states being able to legalize weed. Or massively increase sentences for holding weed. And ban gay marriage. And give money to crazy-ass religious schools.”

532 Jenner7  Apr 7, 2015 8:18:56pm
533 Kragar  Apr 7, 2015 8:19:52pm

re: #531 The Ghost of a Flea

Number Of Friends’ Status Updates You’ll Have To Scroll Past Regarding His Vision For Country Over Next Year: 131

534 Dark_Falcon  Apr 7, 2015 8:20:01pm

re: #515 lostlakehiker

To clarify, I predict a verdict of guilty of first degree murder, and a sentence of at least ten years. Which would be too little, but I realize that first time offenders who have “only” killed one person are not likely to get life, say.

A conviction for Murder One is almost always punished by either life without parole or death.

535 WhatEVs  Apr 7, 2015 8:20:19pm

re: #528 Eclectic Cyborg

I feel exactly as you do. I don’t expect and added benefit or courtesy, I just expect everyone be treated the same way I am treated…which is, apparently, asking too much.

536 De Kolta Chair  Apr 7, 2015 8:20:36pm

re: #520 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

There was only one season. What are you talking about?

I have noticed that a lot of people on the internet seem to live in a sad and scary world. They believe “The X-Files” extended beyond season 5. They believe that there was a 6th season of “Lost”. Hell, some of them even believe that there was a series of Star Wars “prequels”. Can you imagine? Some people.

Luther ran for three seasons, plus a Christmas special. When it ran on BBC America, it might have been shown all at once. British tv series tend to be six episodes.

Anyway, what’s with the Brits and their Christmas specials? The last time a Brit went to church was in 1962.

537 Varek Raith  Apr 7, 2015 8:23:47pm

Hi.

538 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Apr 7, 2015 8:24:41pm

re: #525 Aunty Entity Dragon

armored man on horseback with a lance was a weapon system with over 3,000 years of development, and it was shockingly destructive.

Not so useful against artillery and machine guns, but ssshhhh don’t tell anyone.

539 Varek Raith  Apr 7, 2015 8:26:30pm

re: #538 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Not so useful against artillery and machine guns, but ssshhhh don’t tell anyone.

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Big deal, I gotta spear.

540 WhatEVs  Apr 7, 2015 8:26:55pm

re: #537 Varek Raith

Hi.

Hi.bak :-)

541 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 7, 2015 8:27:26pm

and if that’s not enough, the good natives of Springfield (MO) show their not putting up with any kind of gay rights.

SPRINGFIELD, Mo. — An LGBT-inclusive non-discrimination ordinance passed by the Springfield, Mo., city council last October, was overturned by voters on Tuesday.

With more than 97 percent of the votes tallied, 51.4 percent of voters opted to repeal the ordinance, while 48.5 percent voted to retain the measure.

The vote comes following months of campaigning by advocates and opponents of the measure, which added sexual orientation and gender identity to the list of protected categories in employment, housing, and public accommodations.

The city council approved the ordinance by a 6-3 vote on October 13.

Read more at lgbtqnation.com

542 WhatEVs  Apr 7, 2015 8:28:23pm

This thread is getting to big for my iPhone. It’s loading about as fast as snot in winter.

543 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 7, 2015 8:28:23pm

Looking in on the sociopaths at Thee Rant (and unfficial NYPD forum and I will not link…)

DisGraziato
I saw the vid on the 6 oclock news. #6 [url] [-]

Cop looked good in his stance and shot group. Niggaaa didn’t get too far. No need to chase those bastardos ! Next time he should say “good afternoon officer, what can I do for you!” Dumb fuvk was driving what looked like a Mercedes and a bad back light. And owed child support!! His 400 lb Momma was crying and said the PO PO did him wrong.

otjkid
#7 [url] [-]

Who cares one less azzbole that comes through the drive through on foot

DisGraziato
Unread Message Looks like his Chief and mayor threw him under the bus! #3 [url] [-]

I can’t wait to see what Will Doolittle has to say about this one. The perpetrator was wanted for non supported and stole the cops lazer and ran like a typical nigggaaa. Aren’t police allowed to shoot a fleeing felon?? Eight shots in the back. A good shoot if you ask me..

realscu
Unread Message #5 [url] [-]

Nydn just posted video of shooting. Stirring up the Hornets nest

Some other officers saying they think it is a bad shoot. You do have to wonder who the sociopaths really are who post the above quotes and wear badges.

544 De Kolta Chair  Apr 7, 2015 8:32:59pm

re: #520 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

There was only one season. What are you talking about?

I have noticed that a lot of people on the internet seem to live in a sad and scary world. They believe “The X-Files” extended beyond season 5. They believe that there was a 6th season of “Lost”. Hell, some of them even believe that there was a series of Star Wars “prequels”. Can you imagine? Some people.

Pardon my previous flippancy. You make many, many cogent points.

Now if only knew what a cogent point was. ;-)

545 retired cynic  Apr 7, 2015 8:33:06pm

re: #543 Aunty Entity Dragon

ARGH! I just can’t click a plus on that. I just want to be sick!

546 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 8:33:48pm

re: #534 Dark_Falcon

A conviction for Murder One is almost always punished by either life without parole or death.

Just looking at the facts as we know them, I’m not sure they’ll manage to convict on 1st degree. Intent and malice might be possible, but premeditation would be difficult in the time span between when traffic stop began and when the video does.

547 Kragar  Apr 7, 2015 8:34:53pm

re: #538 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Battle of Beersheba

Beersheba was defended by lines of trenches, supported by isolated redoubts on earthworks and hills, which covered all approaches to the town. The Ottoman garrison was eventually encircled by the two infantry and two mounted divisions, as they (and their supporting artillery) launched their attacks. The 60th (London) Division’s preliminary attack and capture of the redoubt on Hill 1070, led to the bombardment of the main Ottoman trench line. Then a joint attack by the 60th (London) and 74th (Yeomanry) Divisions captured all their objectives. Meanwhile, to the north-east of Beersheba the Anzac Mounted Division cut the road from Beersheba to Hebron (which continued to Jerusalem). Continuous fighting against the main redoubt and defences on Tel el Saba (dominating the eastern approaches to the town), resulted eventually in its capture in the afternoon. During this fighting the 3rd Light Horse Brigade had been sent to reinforce the Anzac Mounted Division, while the 5th Mounted Brigade (armed with swords) remained in corps reserve. With all brigades of both mounted divisions already committed to the battle, the only brigade available (the 4th Light Horse Brigade), was ordered to capture Beersheba. These sword-less mounted infantrymen galloped over the plain, riding towards the town and a redoubt supported by entrenchments, on a mound of Tel es Saba south-east of Beersheba. While the 4th Light Horse Regiment on the right, jumped trenches before turning to make a dismounted attack on the Ottoman infantry (in the trenches, gun pits and redoubts on rising ground), most of the 12th Light Horse Regiment on the left rode on across the face of the main redoubt, to find a gap in the Ottoman defences. These squadrons rode on across the railway line and into Beersheba, to complete the first step of an offensive which would see the EEF capture Jerusalem, six weeks later.[Note 2]

In WW2, after initial being decimated by the Germans, the Russian cavalry was reformed into Cavalry mechanized group, able to infiltrate and deploy in conditions tanks could not.

548 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 7, 2015 8:35:59pm

The cops at officer.com are all taking the “the video doesn’t show everything and besides, the black guy stole the tazer” line.

Apparently, none of them seem to have read that the cop in question provably lied in his report (both on the nature of the shooting as well as giving aid to the victim) and therefore anything he said that justified the shooting (like the allegedly stolen tazer) should be discounted…

549 De Kolta Chair  Apr 7, 2015 8:36:22pm

re: #542 WhatEVs

This thread is getting to big for my iPhone. It’s loading about as fast as snot in winter.

Cell phones are evil and I’ll stay with my landline. Oh wait…

But seriously, I’ll stay with my landline. Mostly because I hate telephones. Hate ‘em!

550 WhatEVs  Apr 7, 2015 8:38:07pm

re: #546 Targetpractice

Just looking at the facts as we know them, I’m not sure they’ll manage to convict on 1st degree. Intent and malice might be possible, but premeditation would be difficult in the time span between when traffic stop began and when the video does.

I wonder what the timeframe is for premeditation. 20 paces? Unlikely to fly, especially when juries look for ways to let cops off.

Their jobs are tough. That’s a given. But this behavior of just killing Anerican citizens has got to stop.

I don’t have any idea how to stop it. That blue line is thick.

551 b_sharp  Apr 7, 2015 8:39:06pm

re: #538 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Not so useful against artillery and machine guns, but ssshhhh don’t tell anyone.

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Why does the rider have a gas mask on but the horse doesn’t?

552 Varek Raith  Apr 7, 2015 8:40:35pm

re: #551 b_sharp

Why does the rider have a gas mask on but the horse doesn’t?

Who cares, he’s got a spear.

553 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 7, 2015 8:40:35pm

Why do people insist on bidding on things on Ebay 14 hours before the auction ends? All you do is run up the price for those of us who know what we’re doing.

RBS

554 WhatEVs  Apr 7, 2015 8:41:05pm

re: #549 De Kolta Chair

Cell phones are evil. Oh wait…

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I’m on my celly 90% of the time. It’s my…everything. I never use the iPad or Kindle or anything else. A laptop to work and my beloved iPhone for all else.

The only thing I almost never do on my iPhone is talk on it. If I use 15 minutes a month, that’s a lot.

555 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 8:41:17pm

re: #548 Aunty Entity Dragon

The cops at officer.com are all taking the “the video doesn’t show everything and besides, the black guy stole the tazer” line.

Apparently, none of them seem to have read that the cop in question provably lied in his report (both on the nature of the shooting as well as giving aid to the victim) and therefore anything he said that justified the shooting (like the allegedly stolen tazer) should be discounted…

Speaking of his taser, if that really is what he moved from the spot where it fell over to Scott’s body, and then put it on his belt, the prosecutor could tack “tampering with evidence” onto the list of charges.

557 WhatEVs  Apr 7, 2015 8:41:50pm

re: #552 Varek Raith

Who cares, he’s got a spear.

And who says size doesn’t matter? :-D

558 b_sharp  Apr 7, 2015 8:42:17pm

re: #548 Aunty Entity Dragon

The cops at officer.com are all taking the “the video doesn’t show everything and besides, the black guy stole the tazer” line.

Apparently, none of them seem to have read that the cop in question provably lied in his report (both on the nature of the shooting as well as giving aid to the victim) and therefore anything he said that justified the shooting (like the allegedly stolen tazer) should be discounted…

The taser was on the ground as the guy was running away.

559 b_sharp  Apr 7, 2015 8:43:24pm

re: #554 WhatEVs

I’m on my gelly 90% of the time. It’s my…everything. I never use the iPad or Kindle or anything else. A laptop to work and my beloved iPhone for all else.

The only thing I almost never do on my iPhone is talk on it. If I use 15 minutes a month, that’s a lot.

Gelly?

560 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 7, 2015 8:43:51pm

re: #554 WhatEVs

I’m on my gelly 90% of the time. It’s my…everything. I never use the iPad or Kindle or anything else. A laptop to work and my beloved iPhone for all else.

The only thing I almost never do on my iPhone is talk on it. If I use 15 minutes a month, that’s a lot.

I just wish a lot of pedestrians in Philly would either stand in a non-chokepoint location to talk or text on their cell phones, or walk without using them. I spend a lot of time dodging people who are trying to walk and text at the same time and are a total failure at it. (Or dawdle in a chokepoint without realizing how much they block other people.)
(end rant)

561 WhatEVs  Apr 7, 2015 8:44:26pm

re: #559 b_sharp

Gelly?

Fucking autocorrect. At least it isn’t an Epic Penis.

562 Kragar  Apr 7, 2015 8:44:39pm

re: #551 b_sharp

Why does the rider have a gas mask on but the horse doesn’t?

Front line troops would be issued the gear first, but the horses might not have been broken in for wearing them yet.

563 Kragar  Apr 7, 2015 8:45:49pm

re: #552 Varek Raith

Who cares, he’s got a spear.

Its a lance.

564 Dark_Falcon  Apr 7, 2015 8:46:34pm

re: #552 Varek Raith

Who cares, he’s got a spear.

That’s not a spear, its a lance. A noble weapon for running an enemy through, not a crude throwing instrument.

Spear indeed, Hmmmph! [DF turns up his nose at Varek.)

565 WhatEVs  Apr 7, 2015 8:46:58pm

Re: Epic Penis…see #3.

buzzfeed.com

566 Varek Raith  Apr 7, 2015 8:47:34pm

re: #563 Kragar

re: #564 Dark_Falcon

SPEAR!
/fine.
:P

567 De Kolta Chair  Apr 7, 2015 8:47:58pm

re: #554 WhatEVs

I’m on my gelly 90% of the time. It’s my…everything. I never use the iPad or Kindle or anything else. A laptop to work and my beloved iPhone for all else.

The only thing I almost never do on my iPhone is talk on it. If I use 15 minutes a month, that’s a lot.

All my friends know I can’t stand talking on the phone for more than a few minutes. It’s a longstanding running joke. My wife, meanwhile, loves her cell and texting and all that.

And get off my damn yard!!!!

568 WhatEVs  Apr 7, 2015 8:50:47pm

re: #567 De Kolta Chair

All my friends know I can’t stand talking on the phone for more than a few minutes. It’s a longstanding running joke. My wife, meanwhile, loves her cell and texting and all that.

And get off my damn yard!!!!

I like texting…it’s that icky real human contact. Blech. //

569 b_sharp  Apr 7, 2015 8:52:09pm

re: #561 WhatEVs

Fucking autocorrect. At least it isn’t an Epic Penis.

I wish mine would autocorrect to epic penis.

570 Kragar  Apr 7, 2015 8:52:48pm

re: #566 Varek Raith

571 b_sharp  Apr 7, 2015 8:52:57pm

re: #563 Kragar

Its a lance.

I have a boil.

572 Varek Raith  Apr 7, 2015 8:54:05pm

re: #570 Kragar

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Boomstick.

573 lostlakehiker  Apr 7, 2015 8:57:11pm

re: #516 Eclectic Cyborg

Ten years for a cop? Wishful thinking IMO.

Ah, you underestimate me. What I’m wishing for is a lot more than that. But we’ll see as to how the trial, the verdict, and the sentencing go. I’ve put in my bracket. re: #546 Targetpractice

Just looking at the facts as we know them, I’m not sure they’ll manage to convict on 1st degree. Intent and malice might be possible, but premeditation would be difficult in the time span between when traffic stop began and when the video does.

It’s the barrage of shots that gives the prosecution a case for premeditation. But yeah, I do see a problem there. If the cop were willing to plea bargain down to murder 2, the prosecution might accept it because of the likely difficulty of getting a jury to see it their way on murder 1.

Arguing for the prosecution, I’d say that one or two shots you could think were fired in a sudden rage, but not eight. And if memory isn’t playing tricks on me, at least one of them after the man started going down.

A civilian who emptied his clip at somebody for no very good reason might explain about the stress of the moment and it all happened so fast etc., but cops are trained in the use of firearms. It would be almost automatic to count, to assess damage and reassess threat, etc. The defendant cop can’t expect to be believed in the same way a naive civilian might be.

574 jaunte  Apr 7, 2015 8:57:39pm

re: #571 b_sharp

I have a boil.

I’ll get the shrimp.

575 De Kolta Chair  Apr 7, 2015 8:58:54pm

re: #568 WhatEVs

I like texting…it’s that icky real human contact. Blech. //

It has nothing to do with human contact. I love human contact. I revel in human contact. I just don’t care to hold a piece of plastic upside my head for more than a couple of minutes.

576 Varek Raith  Apr 7, 2015 9:00:15pm

re: #568 WhatEVs

I like texting…it’s that icky real human contact. Blech. //

Humans are overrated anyways.
/

577 WhatEVs  Apr 7, 2015 9:01:41pm

re: #575 De Kolta Chair

It has nothing to do with human contact. I love human contact. I revel in human contact. I just don’t care to hold a piece of plastic upside my head for more than a couple of minutes.

It’s not a piece of plastic. It’s an extension of my very being. It’s…family. :-)

578 De Kolta Chair  Apr 7, 2015 9:04:51pm

re: #577 WhatEVs

It’s not a piece of plastic. It’s an extension of my very being. It’s…family. :-)

BBL, my sis is on the phone. She’s calling on her cell, No, seriously. This oughta be good, she knows all the family gossip. ;-P

579 Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2015 9:09:05pm

re: #573 lostlakehiker

Ah, you underestimate me. What I’m wishing for is a lot more than that. But we’ll see as to how the trial, the verdict, and the sentencing go. I’ve put in my bracket.

It’s the barrage of shots that gives the prosecution a case for premeditation. But yeah, I do see a problem there. If the cop were willing to plea bargain down to murder 2, the prosecution might accept it because of the likely difficulty of getting a jury to see it their way on murder 1.

Arguing for the prosecution, I’d say that one or two shots you could think were fired in a sudden rage, but not eight. And if memory isn’t playing tricks on me, at least one of them after the man started going down.

A civilian who emptied his clip at somebody for no very good reason might explain about the stress of the moment and it all happened so fast etc., but cops are trained in the use of firearms. It would be almost automatic to count, to assess damage and reassess threat, etc. The defendant cop can’t expect to be believed in the same way a naive civilian might be.

And that’s the key word right there, what his lawyer is going to use to get him off on a lesser charge, arguing that he did what he was “trained” to do, that he can’t be punished for doing something his superiors say he’s supposed to do. That we as society expect him to do as he’s trained, but now want to punish him for carrying it out.

580 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Apr 7, 2015 9:15:37pm

re: #551 b_sharp

Why does the rider have a gas mask on but the horse doesn’t?

Because WWI was probably the stupidest thing humans have done in the last 500 years. It doesn’t match the horrors that took place later in the century, but for abject Idiocracy-style jaw-dropping stupidity, WWI is hard to beat.

581 sagehen  Apr 7, 2015 9:23:34pm

re: #555 Targetpractice

Speaking of his taser, if that really is what he moved from the spot where it fell over to Scott’s body, and then put it on his belt, the prosecutor could tack “tampering with evidence” onto the list of charges.

I’d also like to know about the “witnesses” who backed up his story — filing false reports if they did it voluntarily, or if somebody intimidated them into lying that’s witness tampering, suborning perjury, who knows what else.

582 A Cranky One  Apr 7, 2015 9:24:12pm

re: #551 b_sharp

Why does the rider have a gas mask on but the horse doesn’t?

As you know, ah, you go to war with the army you have—-not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time. ////

583 De Kolta Chair  Apr 7, 2015 9:24:59pm

My sister Patty in Tucson reports that a serial groper is on the loose on the Rillito River Park Trail, in the vicinity of Stone and Campbell. Be careful out there.

584 A Cranky One  Apr 7, 2015 9:29:03pm

re: #579 Targetpractice

And that’s the key word right there, what his lawyer is going to use to get him off on a lesser charge, arguing that he did what he was “trained” to do, that he can’t be punished for doing something his superiors say he’s supposed to do. That we as society expect him to do as he’s trained, but now want to punish him for carrying it out.

I’m hoping for second degree homicide. I’m guessing manslaughter is the best we can hope for. The fact that the cop lied in the official reports supports the case that he knew what he was doing was wrong, so I’m not sure the training argument will work. The fact that he moved the taser would indicate he falsified evidence to cover up his actions, also contradicting the training argument.

585 Single-handed sailor  Apr 7, 2015 9:38:48pm

re: #538 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Everybody knows when on the wide open plains you ride in on alligators to maintain a low profile.

//I may have had a drink or two, why do you ask?


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