Daredevil Volume 1, Issue 12: “Sightless, in a Savage Land!”

First Marvel comic drawn by John Romita Sr.
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The new Netflix series “Daredevil” is out, and it’s really good — much better than the sub-standard film released a few years ago. It captures the comic’s dark feeling beautifully.

And in honor of the excellent debut of this new series I’ll be posting images of the Silver Age Daredevil comics contained in the Lizard Collection, our very large collection of comics from the 60s. We have dozens of issues of Daredevil; he was always one of my favorite Marvel characters, because he was blind but he turned this disability into a huge advantage. It was a brilliant concept, and it totally captured my imagination when I was a wee lad.

Here’s the cover of issue #12, published in January 1966, featuring the Tarzan-like Ka-Zar and yes, that’s a pirate with a ray gun. Because why not? This issue was the first Marvel comic drawn by the great illustrator John Romita Sr.

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1 Timothy Watson  Apr 11, 2015 5:22:17pm
Robert Kingett, 25, is a self-proclaimed geek who enjoys video games and comic books. So it is no surprise he was looking forward to the Netflix original series on Marvel Comics’ Daredevil, which debuted on Friday.

There was just one problem: Like Daredevil, Kingett is legally blind, and Netflix does not provide audio descriptions, a feature that narrates non-verbal action on screen to help the visually impaired better enjoy filmed entertainment.

Kingett is just one of a number of comic book fans—both blind and sighted—who are lobbying Netflix to make “Daredevil” accessible to the visually impaired. And while the fact that a show based on a blind protagonist will not have audio description has stirred consternation, the issue extends far beyond Daredevil’s fictional world.

cnbc.com

2 Dark_Falcon  Apr 11, 2015 5:24:07pm

re: #1 Timothy Watson

cnbc.com

Dear Netflix,

Accommodating the disabled: YOU’RE DOING IT WRONG!!

No love,

DF

3 Dark_Falcon  Apr 11, 2015 5:30:07pm

Thanks Snowden, you miserable little choad!

4 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 11, 2015 5:30:15pm

I wish I had paid more attention to comics when I was young. (And I wish all the old comic-hating puritans I knew then were alive to see that.)

Actually, I think comics were more unpopular and widely condemned in Texas, where I lived then, than perhaps in other parts of the country. I remember that adults, especially the church crowd, condemned them in the same breath as Playboy and other “dirty books.” Teachers also hated them, though they were proudly ignorant of what actually lay between the covers.

I had a friend in high school who was an early enthusiast for comic collecting, with a hoard of 2000+ volumes and an encyclopedic knowledge of the subject. He was widely ridiculed for it and I was one of his few friends. This is important because, as it turned out, he was in on the ground floor of what became a major boom in popular culture. Within a few years of graduation, he started a comic store in California. That turned into a chain, and he eventually became one of the early investors in what became a major video rental chain. He cashed out for something like a quarter of a billion dollars before the decline in that industry set in.
He is by far the wealthiest member of my old graduating class, and I am one of the few old classmates he will even speak to.

5 De Kolta Chair  Apr 11, 2015 5:46:11pm
Daredevil? Puhleeze, I’m trying to forget all that.
6 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 11, 2015 5:46:41pm

This guy is a menace. Unlike Rand Paul or John “Jeb” Bush, he hits all the RWNJ notes at exactly the right pitch. He is very, very good at demagogic politics and it would be a bad mistake to underestimate him. I think he has a shot at the nomination. The prospect of a Cruz presidency is almost too grotesque to contemplate. He would make the Bushes look like JFK, or at least like Eisenhower, by comparison.

Cruz Thunderously Received At NRA Meeting

Republican presidential candidate Ted Cruz opened his remarks to National Rifle Association members Friday describing his disgust with the president’s description of the 2010 Fort Hood shooting as “work place violence.” Cruz began Friday at the Army Base in Texas and told the audience that the military personnel who were killed or wounded by Nidal Hassan were finally awarded the purple heart.

“It is a time for truth. you cannot win a war on radical Islamic terrorism with a president who is unwilling to utter the words ‘radical Islamic terrorists.’ Instead of a terrorist who boycotts Prime Minister Netenyahu,” Cruz told the NRA audience. “Imagine America standing unapologetically with the nation of Israel. Imagine a commander in chief standing up with clarity, saying ‘We will defeat radical Islamic terrorists.’”

The Texas Republican then shifted his remarks to the White House’s nuclear talks with Iran.

“And under no circumstances will the nation of Iran be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons. Some weeks ago I joined with 46 other senators signing a letter we sent to Iran explaining that under the United States Constitution there are only two ways something becomes a law — either it is a treaty ratified by two thirds of the Senate or a law passed by both houses of Congress signed by the president. The Obama White House went a little hysterical about that letter.”

7 prairiefire  Apr 11, 2015 5:47:08pm

re: #4 Shiplord Kirel

I could only get “Cracked” in Kansas City as “Mad” magazine was not distributed by the magazine distributor. “Cracked” was a watered down version of “Mad” magazine, and it pissed me off in 1976.

8 Dark_Falcon  Apr 11, 2015 5:51:56pm

A non-US wingnut meltdown:

Historian David Starkey in astonishing attack on ‘victim status’ of Muslims, disabled people and other ethnic minorities - and says women are only of average intelligence

Historian David Starkey has launched an astonishing attack on the ‘victim status’ of ethnic minorities and disabled people - and says women are only of average intelligence.

The television presenter also gave his views on the current political class, claiming he did not believe any politician was equipped to be prime minister and the ‘real talent has left politics’.

The outspoken 70-year-old said evidence suggested women tended to be of average intelligence, whereas men were either ‘very, very bright or very thick’, but denied he is sexist.

In a wide-ranging interview with the Daily Telegraph, he hit out at Baroness Doreen Lawrence, the mother of race murder victim Stephen, for following what he claimed was the approach of US civil rights leaders after Martin Luther King’s death by ‘treating blacks as victims’.

It’s always sad when someone chooses to go out with a swan song of bigoted DERP.

9 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 11, 2015 5:56:07pm

re: #7 prairiefire

I could only get “Cracked” in Kansas City as “Mad” magazine was not distributed by the magazine distributor. “Cracked” was a watered down version of “Mad” magazine, and it pissed me off in 1976.

The classic Mad, under William M. Gaines, was the stuff of legend. Gaines really was as eccentric as his magazine.
He made a practice of taking the small creative staff, the famous “gang of idiots,” with him on group vacations.
One year they were in Haiti and happened to learn that Mad’s only subscriber in that country had failed to renew his subscription. Gaines loaded the gang, 5 or 6 in number, into a minibus and they soon appeared on the former subcriber’s doorstep. They introduced themselves and demanded to know why the man had not renewed his subscription. The astounded subscriber renewed on the spot.

10 #FergusonFireside  Apr 11, 2015 5:56:25pm

re: #6 Shiplord Kirel

Cruz scares the shit out of me.

11 De Kolta Chair  Apr 11, 2015 5:56:58pm

re: #7 prairiefire

I could only get “Cracked” in Kansas City as “Mad” magazine was not distributed by the magazine distributor. “Cracked” was a watered down version of “Mad” magazine, and it pissed me off in 1976.

Back in those days, Mad was the greatest magazine of all time — feck you, Henry Luce! — but I started buying Cracked when they hired the wonderfully witty and talented cartoonist Marie Severin away from Marvel. But she was the only reason to read the damn thing.

12 prairiefire  Apr 11, 2015 5:57:10pm

re: #10 #FergusonFireside

Cruz scares the shit out of me.

Baby, he won’t win. Don’t worry.

13 Dark_Falcon  Apr 11, 2015 5:58:54pm

re: #12 prairiefire

Baby, he won’t win. Don’t worry.

I don’t think he’ll win the primary, but if he did he’d have a real shot at beating Hillary Clinton. I’d rather he wasn’t the nominee, to be sure.

14 prairiefire  Apr 11, 2015 6:00:23pm

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

He will be cannibalized by his own party before he would have to confront Hilary. I think Hilary would leave him twisting in the wind.

15 teleskiguy  Apr 11, 2015 6:03:58pm

Ted Cruz is the guy I’m keeping the closest eye on. He’s the worst of the demagogues and due to him being Rafael Cruz’s son probably believes all that crazy Book of Revelation end times crap. That alone should disqualify him from power, but with the RWNJ electorate the way it is these days…

16 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 11, 2015 6:06:44pm

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

I don’t think he’ll win the primary, but if he did he’d have a real shot at beating Hillary Clinton. I’d rather he wasn’t the nominee, to be sure.

LOLOLOLOL!!!!

17 HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2015 6:07:22pm

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

I don’t think he’ll win the primary, but if he did he’d have a real shot at beating Hillary Clinton. I’d rather he wasn’t the nominee, to be sure.

Are you kidding? He wouldn’t have a shot at beating her. He turns everyone off who isn’t a raving lunatic like he is.

18 HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2015 6:08:29pm

re: #15 teleskiguy

Ted Cruz is the guy I’m keeping the closest eye on. He’s the worst of the demagogues and due to him being Rafael Cruz’s son probably believes all that crazy Book of Revelation end times crap. That alone should disqualify him from power, but with the RWNJ electorate the way it is these days…

He really is the worst of the worst. The stuff his father says about him being divinely chosen makes me ill just thinking about it and the right accuses Obama and Obama’s supporters of viewing him too highly.

19 retired cynic  Apr 11, 2015 6:09:07pm

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

I’m glad you don’t want him. He makes my skin crawl (although not as much as his father). Shudder.

20 teleskiguy  Apr 11, 2015 6:11:17pm

Alouette, checking in on Twitter.

21 Charles Johnson  Apr 11, 2015 6:12:30pm

It’s going to be Jeb Bush. Mark my words. Everything else is just kabuki theater.

22 #FergusonFireside  Apr 11, 2015 6:12:41pm

The right wing that lost its shit over Rev. Wright won’t say a peep about Rev. Rafael Cruz.

23 HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2015 6:13:06pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

It’s going to be Jeb Bush. Mark my words. Everything else is just kabuki theater.

I think Walker but I won’t be shocked if it is Bush.

24 De Kolta Chair  Apr 11, 2015 6:14:00pm

re: #9 Shiplord Kirel

The classic Mad, under William M. Gaines, was the stuff of legend. Gaines really was as eccentric as his magazine. He made a practice of taking the smallcreative staff, the famous “gang of idiots,” with him on group vacations.

When I moved to NYC in 1988, the first job interview I landed was with Mad. I didn’t get that paste-up mechanical gig, but I did get to see the sight of William Gaines himself popping his bearded self in the doorway to ask a quick query of the woman who was interviewing me, and that was a great thrill.

A month later I got a job at a wallpaper sample book company as quite possibly the lowest paid art director in Manhattan publishing history. But rents were so much more affordable then — we paid $125 a month for a lower east side tenement railroad flat (bathtub in the kitchen) that now goes for at least $3000 — so it wasn’t that big of a deal and I learned a lot. But hey, I saw William Gaines once!

25 #FergusonFireside  Apr 11, 2015 6:14:12pm

re: #20 teleskiguy

Alouette, checking in on Twitter.

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Excellent!

26 HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2015 6:14:23pm

re: #22 #FergusonFireside

The right wing that lost its shit over Rev. Wright won’t say a peep about Rev. Rafael Cruz.

Rafael Cruz is much much worse than Jeremiah Wright. But then again so are pretty much all the RR pastors that Republican candidates have had no problem with for years. If Wright had bitched about gay people, the right wouldn’t have a problem with him but because he dared to not go America fuck yeah, he became a boogeyman.

27 Charles Johnson  Apr 11, 2015 6:17:13pm

Jeb Bush is hooked up at the highest levels of the corrupt boy’s club known as the GOP. It’s his turn. Nobody else has a chance, and they probably know it. They’re just playing the game because the boy’s club expects it of them, and because the masses need their bread and circuses.

Well, in the case of the GOP, just the circuses.

28 teleskiguy  Apr 11, 2015 6:19:32pm

re: #26 HappyWarrior

I don’t know, man. Rev. Wright was some serious baggage for Obama. I saw that stuff in 2008 and decided not to vote for him. Rev. Wright was pretty radical for me, saying some of the same stuff that Ward Churchill was saying about 9/11 and United States power. Rev. Wright was a radical in my mind, and Obama went to his church for two decades.

Of course, we now know that Obama is a pretty shrewd and sometimes calculating politician. Rev. Wright was something he was able to deflect, and win two elections nonetheless.

29 b.d.  Apr 11, 2015 6:25:36pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Jeb has the same problem as Hillary Clinton, he is his own worse enemy. All the other candidates are hanging back waiting to see if Jeb throws himself off of a cliff, I’m surprised there isn’t a half-way competent Dem running for the same reason.

It is Clinton & Bush’s to lose but they have both proven that they are capable of screwing up a good deal.

30 HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2015 6:25:59pm

re: #28 teleskiguy

I don’t know, man. Rev. Wright was some serious baggage for Obama. I saw that stuff in 2008 and decided not to vote for him. Rev. Wright was pretty radical for me, saying some of the same stuff that Ward Churchill was saying about 9/11 and United States power. Rev. Wright was a radical in my mind, and Obama went to his church for two decades.

Of course, we now know that Obama is a pretty shrewd and sometimes calculating politician. Rev. Wright was something he was able to deflect, and win two elections nonetheless.

Yeah maybe I’m going too far here, I concede. I guess my point is that the right acted like ZOMG REVEREND WRIGHT but never had a word for people like Pat Robertson, a former GOP presidential candidate no less who flat out said we deserved 9/11.

31 teleskiguy  Apr 11, 2015 6:26:33pm

This is some strong stuff! A bar shot of RWNJ derp to loosen things up.

32 Decatur Deb  Apr 11, 2015 6:26:44pm

The BBQ competition went well, even shrugging off a rain prediction. There was little conflict, though a woman was heard to argue: “Well, you can’t call it whole-hog cookin’ if it hasn’t got a head on it.”

dothaneagle.com

33 b.d.  Apr 11, 2015 6:27:12pm

I didn’t pay attention to that Rev. Wright stuff because I knew that Obama was a sekret Mooslim.

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34 Dark_Falcon  Apr 11, 2015 6:27:48pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

So primaries mean nothing? I hardly think that true and its also true Jeb isn’t that popular. Why nominate someone who the base doesn’t like and who has little chance?

35 jaunte  Apr 11, 2015 6:28:42pm

re: #34 Dark_Falcon

The base isn’t where the real money comes from.

36 HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2015 6:29:07pm

Well I guess my questions for those certain it will be Bush. Who do you think will be the runner up, who do you think Bush would consider as a running mate, and which one of the two would be the Republican front runner if Jeb loses in the GE. Sorry for the many questions. Trying to see what other people think. I for one think it will be Walker and I’ve said why before but I’ll; explain why again. I think Bush being out of the business will hurt him some. I also think Walker’s record as a three time gubertorial winner in a blue state will be appealing to the electorate plus I think he can appeal to both the corporate big wigs and the nutso base. I don’t think it will be either Cruz or Paul. Rubio certainly ain’t happening and neitehr is Dr shit for brains Carson.

37 teleskiguy  Apr 11, 2015 6:29:26pm

re: #30 HappyWarrior

It’s evident that different ideological bents are treated with different standards these days. It’s quite blatant in TV news media, in re: Brian Williams and Bill O’Reilly.

38 HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2015 6:30:12pm

re: #34 Dark_Falcon

So primaries mean nothing? I hardly think that true and its also true Jeb isn’t that popular. Why nominate someone who the base doesn’t like and who has little chance?

Same reason your party nominated Romney, Jeb is “next” in line. I actually think it will be someone else but I can see why Charles thinks it will be Bush because the Republican party for the longest time has nominated the “next” in line and frankly with some exceptions ala Obama the Democratic party really isn’t that different.

39 HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2015 6:30:51pm

re: #37 teleskiguy

It’s evident that different ideological bents are treated with different standards these days. It’s quite blatant in TV news media, in re: Brian Williams and Bill O’Reilly.

Right, that’s my point. My point I guess is if Wright was your usual blame the gays type preacher, the right wouldn’t have batted an eyelash about the crap he said.

40 Dark_Falcon  Apr 11, 2015 6:31:51pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

Same reason your party nominated Romney, Jeb is “next” in line. I actually think it will be someone else but I can see why Charles thinks it will be Bush because the Republican party for the longest time has nominated the “next” in line and frankly with some exceptions ala Obama the Democratic party really isn’t that different.

I freely admit for many years it has been ‘next in line’, but I don’t think that holds in 2016. The name ‘Bush’ is still just too toxic.

41 kirkspencer  Apr 11, 2015 6:31:55pm

re: #35 jaunte

The base isn’t where the real money comes from.

It’s not just money. It’s number of votes.

The Hard Right (tea party, True Republicans, whatever you call them) isn’t the majority.

They are large enough to scuttle an otherwise solid candidate beloved by the establishment and Big Money, but not enough to force those two groups to take their preference.

42 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 11, 2015 6:32:09pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Jeb Bush is hooked up at the highest levels of the corrupt boy’s club known as the GOP. It’s his turn. Nobody else has a chance, and they probably know it. They’re just playing the game because the boy’s club expects it of them, and because the masses need their bread and circuses.

Well, in the case of the GOP, just the circuses.

The not-Jebs are also vying to secure their own places in the line of succession. Cruz is 44, Walker is 47, they both have plenty of time. Jeb may be the eventual winner, but the more prominent the others become in the primaries the closer they land to the trough of FOX news appearances and RW honorariums.

43 HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2015 6:32:19pm

While they were calling us (the left) the blame America first crowd who pointed out that some of our policies in the ME weren’t exactly happy about some of or past actions there, where was the anger at Robertosn, Falwell, and the other right wing lunatic ministers who blamed 9/11 on liberalism?

44 teleskiguy  Apr 11, 2015 6:32:45pm

re: #33 b.d.

I didn’t pay attention tho that Rev. Wright stuff because I knew that Obama was a sekret Mooslim.

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45 HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2015 6:33:21pm

re: #40 Dark_Falcon

I freely admit for many years it has been ‘next in line’, but I don’t think that holds in 2016. The name ‘Bush’ is still just too toxic.

I guess but a lot of money and powerful friends goes a long way.

46 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 11, 2015 6:33:28pm

My daughter has warned me again that my habit of monitoring RWNJ derp-media might be bad for my mental health. She is always solicitous of my health. “Remember, stare into the abyss long enough and it will stare back.”

I responded that I am thoroughly inoculated by my status as a reformed Republican.
She said “okay, but I won’t be surprised if I hear that you have been arrested for running naked into the middle of I-20 screaming that Ted Cruz is the reincarnation of Joe McCarthy.”

Well, actually…….. I had sent her the pics that showed the uncanny resemblance. I think Cruz looks like McCarthy would have if the latter had stayed off the sauce.

47 Thanos  Apr 11, 2015 6:33:48pm

Ah yes, the Kazar who got the Vidal Sassoon makeover, I remember this one.

48 Charles Johnson  Apr 11, 2015 6:34:31pm

re: #47 Thanos

Ah yes, the Kazar who got the Vidal Sassoon makeover, I remember this one.

The blonde blue-eyed Tarzan with an excellent do.

49 kirkspencer  Apr 11, 2015 6:37:58pm

re: #36 HappyWarrior

Bush, then Walker, with Cruz being third if they both bomb.

Bush has the money and establishment connection, and despite the dynasty thing he’s got a pass against TP veto with the phrase “Terri Schiavo.” Still, he’s got some real problems that he can’t seem to keep buried.

Walker’s not beloved by any of the three groups, but even given the extraordinary damage he did to his state he’s no Brownback and so avoids establishment veto.

Cruz… with his background and connections he should be a top dog for all three groups. Unfortunately, “smart asshole” is an almost universal description of Mr. Cruz. It’s hard to win a popularity contest (read election) when you aren’t well liked at all.

That said, and this does concern me, it’s quite possible that if Bush trips Cruz could be last man standing unvetoed.

50 De Kolta Chair  Apr 11, 2015 6:39:08pm

re: #46 Shiplord Kirel

My daughter has warned me again that my habit of monitoring RWNJ derp-media might be bad for my mental health. She is always solicitous of my health. “Remember, stare into the abyss long enough and it will stare back.”

For what seems like eons now, family and friends have said the same to me, to which I always reply it’s important to know one’s enemy, and to ignore them would be remiss as a citizen of our great union (though I don’t put it that dorkily).

51 Charles Johnson  Apr 11, 2015 6:39:29pm

Just remember the lessons of the last GOP primaries, when everybody thought Mitt Romney couldn’t win because he was too “moderate.” The conventional wisdom thought it would be Rick Santorum, then Herman Cain, then Newt Gingrich… and then suddenly they all melted down, and all that was left was Mitt Romney.

Because it was his turn in the boy’s club. And Jeb is next.

52 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 11, 2015 6:39:56pm

re: #31 teleskiguy

This is some strong stuff! A bar shot of RWNJ derp to loosen things up.

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Bull daggers and hermiphedites? My my, Mr. Bardwell sounds like a pongolian gibbersnap to me, if not an outright doolifoguian.

53 teleskiguy  Apr 11, 2015 6:40:45pm
54 Charles Johnson  Apr 11, 2015 6:41:24pm

We’re going to see a replay of the last election with Jeb Bush in the role of Mitt Romney.

55 HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2015 6:41:35pm

Well we can expect Jeb to try outwingnut Paul, Cruz, Walker, and friends.

56 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 11, 2015 6:41:44pm

re: #34 Dark_Falcon

So primaries mean nothing? I hardly think that true and its also true Jeb isn’t that popular. Why nominate someone who the base doesn’t like and who has little chance?

One word: Money.

Jeb knows his job would be to protect the money at all costs from real America. The others aren’t good enough puppets.

57 Charles Johnson  Apr 11, 2015 6:42:31pm

re: #56 William Barnett-Lewis

One word: Money.

Jeb knows his job would be to protect the money at all costs from real America. The others aren’t good enough puppets.

The others are playing the roles that are expected of them.

58 Dark_Falcon  Apr 11, 2015 6:42:36pm

re: #51 Charles Johnson

Don’t be so sure this time. The campaigns of other candidates are better this year than they were the last time around.

Frankly, I don’t want Jeb Bush either. He’s a good man, but his brother’s failed second term means Jeb will never be president.

59 Decatur Deb  Apr 11, 2015 6:42:39pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

We’re going to see a replay of the last election with Jeb Bush in the role of Mitt Romney.

What’s his dog’s name and preferred seating arrangement?

60 HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2015 6:43:08pm

re: #59 Decatur Deb

What’s his dog’s name and preferred seating arrangement?

and what are his thoughts on firing people and how does he like trees?

61 teleskiguy  Apr 11, 2015 6:43:36pm

re: #52 Shiplord Kirel

Bull daggers and hermiphedites? My my, Mr. Bardwell sounds like a pongolian gibbersnap to me, if not an outright doolifoguian.

Huh?!?

62 b.d.  Apr 11, 2015 6:43:41pm

Cruz, Paul, Walker et al will go after Jeb with all they got during the primaries and Jeb will ignore them all and attack Hillary.

Jeb wins.

63 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 11, 2015 6:45:10pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

The others are playing the roles that are expected of them.

Point taken. Especially Walker - he’s not smart enough to do anything but following his script (aside - when I talk about Walker, I’ve had to work with him when I was in state Government in the 1990’s. Makes Dubya look like Einstein.)

64 Charles Johnson  Apr 11, 2015 6:46:02pm

re: #58 Dark_Falcon

Don’t be so sure this time. The campaigns of other candidates are better this year than they were the last time around.

Frankly, i don’t want Jeb Bush either. He’s a good man, but his brother’s failed second term means Jeb will never be president.

I agree that Jeb won’t be president, because he’ll be running against Hillary Clinton.

65 jaunte  Apr 11, 2015 6:46:37pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

The others are playing the roles that are expected of them.

Featuring Rand Paul as Insane Clown Posse.

66 Decatur Deb  Apr 11, 2015 6:46:54pm

re: #62 b.d.

Cruz, Paul, Walker et al will go after Jeb with all they got during the primaries and Jeb will ignore them all and attack Hillary.

Jeb wins.

Whoever wins, they will not be able to sustain the unrelenting shitstorm of abuse with the grace Obama displayed.

67 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 11, 2015 6:47:14pm

re: #61 teleskiguy

Huh?!?

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Good. I made it up. It is hard to invent a word without inadvertently stumbling onto some etymological combination that has been used somewhere, by someone, in the past. Feel free to invent a definition to go with it, since I haven’t gotten that far yet.

68 HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2015 6:47:44pm

re: #58 Dark_Falcon

Don’t be so sure this time. The campaigns of other candidates are better this year than they were the last time around.

Frankly, i don’t want Jeb Bush either. He’s a good man, but his brother’s failed second term means Jeb will never be president.

To be fair DF, wouldn’t have one said the same thing about George W after his father’s loss in 1992. I am actually inclined to agree with you somewhat because I really think Romney was a credible right wing challenger away from losing. That Santorum ended up as his runner up suggested to me that the establishment’s hold isn’t what it was.

69 teleskiguy  Apr 11, 2015 6:49:51pm

re: #67 Shiplord Kirel

Good. I made it up. It is hard to invent a word without inadvertently stumbling onto some etymological combination that has been used somewhere, by someone, in the past. Feel free to invent a definition to go with it, since I haven’t gotten that far yet.

Gibbersnap is a Twitter handle. They haven’t tweeted at all.

As far as a definition of doolifoguian, how about a contemptible simpleton? Too simple?

70 Great White Snark  Apr 11, 2015 6:49:54pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

The others are playing the roles that are expected of them.

Okay but the awkward part is the expectation that Hilary is IT for the democrats. Two “inevitable” candidates kinda makes a thin fiction of the primaries. Sorry to say it but it’s a sad state of affairs for those that lean either way.

71 Decatur Deb  Apr 11, 2015 6:53:07pm

re: #68 HappyWarrior

To be fair DF, wouldn’t have one said the same thing about George W after his father’s loss in 1992. I am actually inclined to agree with you somewhat because I really think Romney was a credible right wing challenger away from losing. That Santorum ended up as his runner up suggested to me that the establishment’s hold isn’t what it was.

Jeb is sane. That’s going to cost him big time in the primaries.

72 De Kolta Chair  Apr 11, 2015 6:53:43pm

Watching The Godfather Part II

Senator Pat Geary: “I despise your masquerade, the dishonest way you pose yourself. You and your whole fucking family.”

The funny thing is, as sleazy as he was he was right.

73 Charles Johnson  Apr 11, 2015 6:55:02pm

re: #70 Great White Snark

Okay but the awkward part is the expectation that Hilary is IT for the democrats. Two “inevitable” candidates kinda makes a thin fiction of the primaries.

This is true. I’d like to have someone other than Hillary to vote for next year. But one thing I know to be true is that even if there’s no one else, Hillary will still get my vote because the Republican Party is completely insane and shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near the presidency.

74 HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2015 6:55:15pm

re: #72 De Kolta Chair

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The funny thing is, as sleazy as he was, he was right.

Geary I think is one of the most underrated characters in the series. There’s a certain brilliance to the character. Watch how he purposely butchers the pronunciation of Corleone. G.D. Spraldin was great as Geary. I later saw him play LBJ in a made for TV miniseries about Bobby Kennedy.

75 Dark_Falcon  Apr 11, 2015 6:55:21pm

re: #68 HappyWarrior

To be fair DF, wouldn’t have one said the same thing about George W after his father’s loss in 1992. I am actually inclined to agree with you somewhat because I really think Romney was a credible right wing challenger away from losing. That Santorum ended up as his runner up suggested to me that the establishment’s hold isn’t what it was.

George the Elder never attracted the sheer level of anger and sometimes outright derangement that was directed at his son, nor did he suffer a failure as bad as the 2008 real estate collapse and the major recession that followed.

Frankly, the Bush family won’t be able to win on the national stage again until America has a few years that most people do not regard as ‘crisis years’.

76 HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2015 6:55:30pm

re: #73 Charles Johnson

This is true. I’d like to have someone other than Hillary to vote for next year. But one thing I know to be true is that even if there’s no one else, Hillary will still get my vote because the Republican Party is completely insane and shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near the presidency.

This times a 1000.

77 Great White Snark  Apr 11, 2015 6:57:36pm

re: #73 Charles Johnson

Two things-We have to vote how we have to vote in the general. We also should admit the larger system and both parties have let us down. Two facets of utterly necessary change.

Also as the 2016 rhetoric takes place lets admit up front Jeb deserves no anger from George nor Hilary from Bill. Neither person is responsible or fairly colored by the other.

78 HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2015 6:58:24pm

re: #75 Dark_Falcon

George the Elder never attracted the sheer level of anger and sometimes outright derangement that was directed at his son, nor did he suffer a failure as bad as the 2008 real estate collapse and the major recession that followed.

Frankly, the Bush family won’t be able to win on the national stage again until America has a few years that most people do not regard as ‘crisis years’.

Sure but I think you are forgetting that a lot of conservatives especially resented him for going back on the no new taxes. I don’t know. I just don’t see Bush’s name being a total dealbreaker. I do see where you’re coming form but I think you’re understating the amount of heat Bush I had. Frankly I think what allowed GWB to succeed where his father failed was that he was able to come off as an every man and more connected to the average American. GWB is more Clinton in style than he his own father as weird as that sounds. But then again that’s something that could work against Jeb since Jeb like his father seems more removed from the average American.

79 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 11, 2015 6:58:46pm

re: #73 Charles Johnson

This is true. I’d like to have someone other than Hillary to vote for next year. But one thing I know to be true is that even if there’s no one else, Hillary will still get my vote because the Republican Party is completely insane and shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near the presidency.

Can I get an Amen?!?!

80 Dark_Falcon  Apr 11, 2015 7:00:03pm

re: #78 HappyWarrior

Sure but I think you are forgetting that a lot of conservatives especially resented him for going back on the no new taxes. I don’t know. I just don’t see Bush’s name being a total dealbreaker. I do see where you’re coming form but I think you’re understating the amount of heat Bush I had. Frankly I think what allowed GWB to succeed where his father failed was that he was able to come off as an every man and more connected to the average American. GWB is more Clinton in style than he his own father as weird as that sounds. But then again that’s something that could work against Jeb since Jeb like his father seems more removed from the average American.

I agree with you about George W: His style with the public was much closer to Bill Clinton than it was to his own father.

81 HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2015 7:00:27pm

re: #77 Great White Snark

Two things-We have to vote how we have to vote in the general. We also should admit the larger system and both parties have let us down. Two facets of utterly necessary change.

I frankly share the frustration of people with the two party system but at the same time, I’d like to see third parties run candidates on more local levels. I actually really felt a lot like you do about the Virginia’s gubertorial election. There was no way I would vote for Ken Cuccinneli )certified nut job) or Terry McAulliffe (blatant opportunist and honestly sleazebag) but at the same time, the only third party that ran a candidate was the Libertarians and they only ran a candidate for governor not for lt governor and AG.

82 Thanos  Apr 11, 2015 7:00:32pm

I will hold my nose and vote for Hillary as well.

83 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 11, 2015 7:01:33pm

re: #20 teleskiguy

Alouette, checking in on Twitter.

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That is SO Cool!!!! Was it planned, or was it the classic “they were both in the airport at the same time” kind of thing?

And a big Thank You Charles for posting from your comic collection. I had noticed that you had stopped that for a while, I sort of missed it.

84 Great White Snark  Apr 11, 2015 7:01:37pm

re: #81 HappyWarrior

It’s an dilemma proportionate to ones honesty.

85 HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2015 7:03:15pm

re: #84 Great White Snark

It’s an dilemma proportionate to ones honesty.

I know, What I am saying though is I think the third parties set themselves up for failure electorally by heavily focusing on the high profile offices.

86 Decatur Deb  Apr 11, 2015 7:04:25pm

re: #82 Thanos

I will hold my nose and vote for Hillary as well.

That won’t be good enough.

87 De Kolta Chair  Apr 11, 2015 7:06:25pm

re: #74 HappyWarrior

Geary I think is one of the most underrated characters in the series. There’s a certain brilliance to the character. Watch how he purposely butchers the pronunciation of Corleone. G.D. Spraldin was great as Geary. I later saw him play LBJ in a made for TV miniseries about Bobby Kennedy.

You have quite the memory, HappyWarrior, I’d totally forgotten about what a good job Spradlin did portraying Johnson, which I now recall as much better than Tom Wilkinson — an actor for whom I have the highest regard — in Selma.

88 HappyWarrior  Apr 11, 2015 7:08:44pm

re: #87 De Kolta Chair

You have quite the memory, HappyWarrior, I’d totally forgotten about what a good job Spradlin did portraying Johnson, which I now recall as much better than Tom Wilkinson — an actor whom I highly revere — in Selma.

Robert Kennedy and His Times, I remember watching it in the early years of Bush’s presidency and RFK became one of my great political heroes. I haven’t seen Selma yet. I really want to see what WIlkinson does with LBJ given he too is someone I respect quite a bit. Speaking of LBJ, I’m really interested in seeing what Bryan Cranston does with him. I’ve heard great things about the stage production but I don’t have the money to see plays so I’ll be waiting for the film adaption. LBJ I think is a tough president to portray since along with Nixon I think is one of our most complex recent presidents.

89 teleskiguy  Apr 11, 2015 7:08:54pm

45 years ago.

90 b_sharp  Apr 11, 2015 7:11:08pm

Wow. I had completely forgotten about Ka-Zar

91 Great White Snark  Apr 11, 2015 7:11:23pm

The trouble really boils down to this-The vote for the lessor evil so to speak is rarely if ever the vote for what is actually required for betterment at the time. This is also the product of apathy or delusion from the base. The rank inability to demand and receive a better option.

92 prairiefire  Apr 11, 2015 7:12:13pm

re: #34 Dark_Falcon

So primaries mean nothing? I hardly think that true and its also true Jeb isn’t that popular. Why nominate someone who the base doesn’t like and who has little chance?

It ain’t true for your party, Dark. I believe you are on the precipice of the cliff. “The base” said the same about McCain, and the next one, what’s his name?

93 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 11, 2015 7:13:22pm

re: #86 Decatur Deb

That won’t be good enough.

While I understand that, if Hillary is the nominee, that’s all you’ll get from most democrats around here. And you’ll get a whole lot of people who voted for Obama simply staying home because they don’t see much difference between Hillary and Jeb. And economically, they’re right and the wallet always beats out the social causes.

94 Great White Snark  Apr 11, 2015 7:13:39pm

Bush V Clinton in 2016. The race we can all agree we did not want.

95 teleskiguy  Apr 11, 2015 7:15:40pm

re: #94 Great White Snark

Bush V Clinton in 2016. The race we can all agree we did not want.

That’s a bumper sticker, boy I tell ya!

96 TedStriker  Apr 11, 2015 7:15:58pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Jeb Bush is hooked up at the highest levels of the corrupt boy’s club known as the GOP. It’s his turn. Nobody else has a chance, and they probably know it. They’re just playing the game because the boy’s club expects it of them, and because the masses need their bread and circuses.

Well, in the case of the GOP, just the circuses.

Well, there’s the increased money to be made on the Wingnut Welfare circuit for running as a presidential candidate, so there’s that.

97 prairiefire  Apr 11, 2015 7:16:08pm

re: #94 Great White Snark

Bush V Clinton in 2016. The race we can all agree we did not want.

Where’s my mike hanging from the ceiling ~ ” Are you ready to rummmmbblle?”

98 Dark_Falcon  Apr 11, 2015 7:16:46pm

re: #94 Great White Snark

Bush V Clinton in 2016. The race we can all agree we did not want.

THIS.

The race I’d to see: Marco Rubio vs. Elizabeth Warren. It won’t happen, but both could articulate their platforms, both have have good life stories to tell and voters really would need to make a choice,

99 Charles Johnson  Apr 11, 2015 7:17:16pm

re: #91 Great White Snark

I think you missed my point. If I vote for Hillary Clinton it won’t be because I see her as the lesser of two evils. It will be because I see the Republican Party as evil. Period.

Hillary will be highly qualified for the job, and won’t try to roll back all the progress of the last 50 years. I’d like to have another choice, but I won’t feel bad if she’s the only choice.

100 Dark_Falcon  Apr 11, 2015 7:17:36pm

re: #97 prairiefire

Where’s my mike hanging from the ceiling ~ ” Are you ready to bummmmbblle?”

Fixed.

101 Decatur Deb  Apr 11, 2015 7:18:02pm

re: #93 William Barnett-Lewis

While I understand that, if Hillary is the nominee, that’s all you’ll get from most democrats around here. And you’ll get a whole lot of people who voted for Obama simply staying home because they don’t see much difference between Hillary and Jeb. And economically, they’re right and the wallet always beats out the social causes.

Then we need to get organized to deprive Walker of his second term.

102 teleskiguy  Apr 11, 2015 7:18:04pm

Sometime soon I want to look into making RWC’s #94 real bumper stickers.

103 prairiefire  Apr 11, 2015 7:20:20pm

re: #100 Dark_Falcon

Fixed.

Granted, it will be a rocky road. But, we’re Americans, we can take it. Plus, I think the Dems will win.

104 Great White Snark  Apr 11, 2015 7:23:44pm

re: #99 Charles Johnson

I get it. And if it comes down to those two we will vote the same. My enthusiasm for Hilary just won’t be amplified by Jebs shortcomings. The harshest critics are always wrong. About either side.

105 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 11, 2015 7:24:48pm

re: #101 Decatur Deb

Then we need to get organized to deprive Walker of his second term.

He’s already won his second term. DPW rolled over like a whipped puppy and he got bigger majorities in both houses. WI is well and truly f*cked for at least a generation.

Walker’s Wisconsin:
Public Schools? Gutted.
Unions? Right to Exploit Law.
University? Gutted.
Environment? Protections Rolled back, mines welcome!
Infrastructure? Only if it falls down and then only RPW contributors get contracts. Pay to play.
State Supreme Court? Packed and reorganized to never cause trouble again.
Rail? hahahahahahaahahah.
Health Care? We don’t need no stinking medicare. If your church won’t help you, then you deserve to die.
Budget? Billions in the red but PR is better than Brownbeck so no one knows.

106 Dark_Falcon  Apr 11, 2015 7:26:06pm

re: #104 Great White Snark

I get it. And if it comes down to those two we will vote the same. My enthusiasm for Hilary just won’t be amplified by Jebs shortcomings. The harshest critics are always wrong. About either side.

Well, I’m the other way. If its Jeb vs. Hillary, I’ll vote for Jeb Bush.

107 Decatur Deb  Apr 11, 2015 7:26:51pm

re: #105 William Barnett-Lewis

He’s already won his second term. DPW rolled over like a whipped puppy and he got bigger majorities in both houses. WI is well and truly f*cked for at least a generation.

Walker’s Wisconsin:
Public Schools? Gutted.
Unions? Right to Exploit Law.
University? Gutted.
Environment? Protections Rolled back, mines welcome!
Infrastructure? Only if it falls down and then only RPW contributors get contracts. Pay to play.
State Supreme Court? Packed and reorganized to never cause trouble again.
Rail? hahahahahahaahahah.
Health Care? We don’t need no stinking medicare. If your church won’t help you, then you deserve to die.
Budget? Billions in the red but PR is better than Brownbeck so no one knows.

No, talking about his second presidential term in 2021.

108 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Apr 11, 2015 7:27:47pm

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

Party first!

109 De Kolta Chair  Apr 11, 2015 7:27:55pm

re: #89 teleskiguy

45 years ago.

It’s a long story so I’ll cut it short, but many years ago in southern Massachusetts I had the pleasure of meeting a fascinating gentleman who led the team that created and developed the beacon mechanism that allowed the Apollo 13 to contact NASA once their ship had emerged from the “dark side of the moon.” Forgive me for not remembering his name or the details, and I wish I could, but there were many drinks involved. Anyway, he was a cool cat and totally devoted to strobe photography, to which he’d devoted much of his life and career.

110 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 11, 2015 7:30:00pm

re: #93 William Barnett-Lewis

While I understand that, if Hillary is the nominee, that’s all you’ll get from most democrats around here. And you’ll get a whole lot of people who voted for Obama simply staying home because they don’t see much difference between Hillary and Jeb. And economically, they’re right and the wallet always beats out the social causes.

Two white corporatists, both in their sixties. Call it the Battle of Meh. The crucial difference is that Republicans will automatically turn out no matter who their nominee is. Clinton is a lackluster speaker and her charisma is severely lacking. She is not capable of motivating younger voters and people of color to turn out in the numbers that Obama did. Voter indifference sank the Dems in 2014, it may sink them again in 2016.

111 Great White Snark  Apr 11, 2015 7:32:48pm

re: #110 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I’m not sure Hilary will defeat Bush or Walker. Her base is less likely to turn out than Walkers. If it’s Bush it may come down to the low turnout scenario. Which favors the GOP.

112 Great White Snark  Apr 11, 2015 7:34:46pm

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

Well, I’m the other way. If its Jeb vs. Hillary, I’ll vote for Jeb Bush.

I would but for his party.

113 TedStriker  Apr 11, 2015 7:35:41pm

re: #108 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Party first!

It sounds better in the original German: Party Uber Alles.

114 Dark_Falcon  Apr 11, 2015 7:37:22pm

re: #108 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Party first!

No, more like my political positions are closer to the Bushes than the Clintons.

115 Charles Johnson  Apr 11, 2015 7:40:09pm
116 Charles Johnson  Apr 11, 2015 7:40:27pm

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

Well, I’m the other way. If its Jeb vs. Hillary, I’ll vote for Jeb Bush.

Imagine my surprise.

117 Charles Johnson  Apr 11, 2015 7:44:12pm

Fucking loons acting like experts.

118 Decatur Deb  Apr 11, 2015 7:45:53pm

Dark and I are saying the same thing, structurally. There hasn’t been a Dem (since the Flight of the Dixiecrats) who is so stupid or corrupt that I wouldn’t vote for him over Walker.

119 De Kolta Chair  Apr 11, 2015 7:46:05pm

re: #115 Charles Johnson

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120 retired cynic  Apr 11, 2015 7:46:51pm

re: #119 De Kolta Chair

Oh, God no!

121 Charles Johnson  Apr 11, 2015 7:47:46pm
122 Dark_Falcon  Apr 11, 2015 7:48:55pm

re: #117 Charles Johnson

Fucking loons acting like experts.

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“ThadRueterIR” seems a decent enough sort. I agree with you that “Lee_Adler” is a nutbag. He seems like a fairly standard grifter ‘expert’: Scare people with tales of doom and then say they can save themselves by buying your book,

123 b_sharp  Apr 11, 2015 7:52:32pm

re: #121 Charles Johnson

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I asked numbnuts Adler a simple question about two differences between the GOP & Dems a few minutes ago. He hasn’t answered yet.

124 b.d.  Apr 11, 2015 7:56:44pm

When it becomes obvious that Paul has no shot can he drop out and run as a Libreatariasn? Nothing like having a Bush, Paul and Clinton on the ballot//

Is this is what those guys shouting We want our country back! are looking for?

125 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 11, 2015 7:58:44pm

re: #124 b.d.

When it becomes obvious that Paul has no shot can he drop out and run as a Libreatariasn? Nothing like having a Bush, Paul and Clinton on the ballot//

Is this is what those guys shouting We want our country back! are looking for?

Three economic conservatives for the price of one! Isn’t that just a joyful thought?

126 Great White Snark  Apr 11, 2015 7:58:49pm

re: #99 Charles Johnson

I think you missed my point. If I vote for Hillary Clinton it won’t be because I see her as the lesser of two evils. It will be because I see the Republican Party as evil. Period.

Hillary will be highly qualified for the job, and won’t try to roll back all the progress of the last 50 years. I’d like to have another choice, but I won’t feel bad if she’s the only choice.

Hilary is unevenly qualified. Domestic economy is a sorely weak spot. Foreign policy and civil rights strong. Given the severely top heavy recovery gotta say I’m looking for n economic champion. Nobody in sight alas. And via her party severely tied to certain corporate interests.

127 BigPapa  Apr 11, 2015 7:59:03pm

The ‘both parties are the same’ cynicism absolutely empowers the GOP.

128 Great White Snark  Apr 11, 2015 8:01:35pm

re: #127 BigPapa

The ‘both parties are the same’ cynicism absolutely empowers the GOP.

Also, the unfortunately weak aspect of anti corporatism. Because both have a lot to answer for there. Undeniably.

129 b_sharp  Apr 11, 2015 8:02:38pm

re: #127 BigPapa

The ‘both parties are the same’ cynicism absolutely empowers the GOP.

All they have to do is look at policies that affect people directly to see they aren’t the same. Their cynicism makes them start with a conclusion and then look for evidence that they’re right, in the meantime bypassing all the information available that shows the opposite. Confirmation bias is how they live life.

130 Dark_Falcon  Apr 11, 2015 8:04:20pm

re: #124 b.d.

When it becomes obvious that Paul has no shot can he drop out and run as a Libreatariasn? Nothing like having a Bush, Paul and Clinton on the ballot//

Is this is what those guys shouting We want our country back! are looking for?

Unlike his daddy, Rand Paul really has a chance. And unlike Jeb Bush, if Rand Paul was the Republican nominee I really feel he’d have a decent chance to beat Hilliary Clinton.

131 De Kolta Chair  Apr 11, 2015 8:05:13pm

re: #88 HappyWarrior

Friends of mine caught that show on B’way and were very underwhelmed, as well as extremely unhappy about wasting their hard-earned dollars. And one of them, Dallas born and bred, still jokes about Cranston’s bad attempt at a Texas accent.

The takeaway: marketing works!

132 retired cynic  Apr 11, 2015 8:06:17pm

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

Not unless he learns to control himself, and Hillary runs headlong into a stone wall.

133 Charles Johnson  Apr 11, 2015 8:08:37pm
134 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 11, 2015 8:11:37pm

re: #132 retired cynic

Not unless he learns to control himself, and Hillary runs headlong into a stone wall.

No, DF’s right that Rand would have a better chance than Jeb. Mostly because there are a lot of young fools who fail to parse the pseudo-Libertarian verbiage correctly. For example - opposing federal bans on Pot =/= legalizing Pot rather putting heavy bans in at the State level so that the States can steal all the “contraband” money and not have to share it with the Feds. And so on.

But the kids merely hear what they want to hear and would vote for the dangerous fool as a result.

If it’s just Jeb vs Hillary, then they stay home which is what the GOP really wants.

135 Tigger2  Apr 11, 2015 8:13:55pm

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

Unlike his daddy, Rand Paul really has a chance. And unlike Jeb Bush, if Rand Paul was the Republican nominee I really feel he’d have a decent chance to beat Hilliary Clinton.

Again you get a LOLOLOLOLOL

136 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 11, 2015 8:14:50pm

Well, gotta head out to the motel. Have a good one, Lizards.

137 Decatur Deb  Apr 11, 2015 8:15:19pm

re: #134 William Barnett-Lewis

No, DF’s right that Rand would have a better chance than Jeb. Mostly because there are a lot of young fools who fail to parse the pseudo-Libertarian verbiage correctly. For example - opposing federal bans on Pot =/= legalizing Pot rather putting heavy bans in at the State level so that the States can steal all the “contraband” money and not have to share it with the Feds. And so on.

But the kids merely hear what they want to hear and would vote for the dangerous fool as a result.

If it’s just Jeb vs Hillary, then they stay home which is what the GOP really wants.

Unless HRC has been using her time off to rediscover her inner campus radical and watching DVDs of La Pasionaria.

138 Charles Johnson  Apr 11, 2015 8:15:27pm

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

Unlike his daddy, Rand Paul really has a chance. And unlike Jeb Bush, if Rand Paul was the Republican nominee I really feel he’d have a decent chance to beat Hilliary Clinton.

I don’t even know what to say any more.

139 De Kolta Chair  Apr 11, 2015 8:16:26pm

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

Unlike his daddy, Rand Paul really has a chance. And unlike Jeb Bush, if Rand Paul was the Republican nominee I really feel he’d have a decent chance to beat Hilliary Clinton.

I’m willing to bet that unlike his daddy, Rand Paul really has a chance of garnering at most five percentage points more than his old man did in the last go round.

140 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 11, 2015 8:17:12pm

re: #129 b_sharp

All they have to do is look at policies that affect people directly to see they aren’t the same. Their cynicism makes them start with a conclusion and then look for evidence that they’re right, in the meantime bypassing all the information available that shows the opposite. Confirmation bias is how they live life.

How many voters look at the policies? When the media allows Republican assertions to go virtually unchallenged and where Paul Ryan is still considered to be a budgetary expert - despite the hallucinatory assumptions that underlie his budgets - you have to dig to understand the ramifications of policies. Most voters don’t. Most voters can’t name one Supreme Court justice.

I’d rather have the Congress than the White house at this point. Considering the Democratic party leadership’s incompetence I fear that we’ll soon have neither.

141 teleskiguy  Apr 11, 2015 8:17:46pm

If you vote for a Republican for president in 2016 (doesn’t matter who the nominee is) you’re giving tacit approval to all the Republican batshit craziness we’ve been witnessing in the Obama era.

142 Great White Snark  Apr 11, 2015 8:19:11pm

Seven years ago the Dems put up a vibrant young Senator who had a clearly forward thinking vision for his administration. A deliberate departure from the past. Refreshing change. That administration was hampered by the necessities of economic measures like TARP and much more like a global war on terror plus a recalcitrant and obstructive congress.

For 2016 we have a choice between two candidates that lack a youthful forward thinking vision and a recalcitrant congress. Please forgive my tepid enthusiasm.

143 Tigger2  Apr 11, 2015 8:21:46pm

Right now the way the GOP is I wouldn’t let any of them cut my grass, I’d be afraid they would give it to the rich.

144 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 11, 2015 8:23:20pm

re: #141 teleskiguy

If you vote for a Republican for president in 2016 (doesn’t matter who the nominee is) you’re giving tacit approval to all the Republican batshit craziness we’ve been witnessing in the Obama era.

The batshit craziness that was evident in the House from 2011 on didn’t prevent the Republicans from attaining a Senate majority while keeping the House. The old argument that “once people see how crazy the Republicans have become they’ll vote Democratic” no longer seems to be true.

145 teleskiguy  Apr 11, 2015 8:23:45pm

I wish the Democratic nominee weren’t so cut and dry. I really wish my governor John Hickenlooper gave higher office some thought. Alas…

146 Tigger2  Apr 11, 2015 8:25:27pm

re: #144 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The batshit craziness that was evident in the House from 2011 on didn’t prevent the Republicans from attaining a Senate majority while keeping the House. The old argument that “once people see how crazy the Republicans have become they’ll vote Democratic” no longer seems to be true.

It is known that for some stupid reason a lot of Dems and the young don’t vote in the midterms.

147 teleskiguy  Apr 11, 2015 8:26:40pm

re: #144 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The batshit craziness that was evident in the House from 2011 on didn’t prevent the Republicans from attaining a Senate majority while keeping the House. The old argument that “once people see how crazy the Republicans have become they’ll vote Democratic” no longer seems to be true.

That’s pretty incredible considering the Republicans have won the popular vote in a presidential election only once since 1992.

148 De Kolta Chair  Apr 11, 2015 8:30:26pm

There’s only one solution: become an anchor at CNN.

149 Targetpractice  Apr 11, 2015 8:31:21pm

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

Unlike his daddy, Rand Paul really has a chance. And unlike Jeb Bush, if Rand Paul was the Republican nominee I really feel he’d have a decent chance to beat Hilliary Clinton.

Yeah, I don’t see that happening. I’ve said before that I think we’re looking at a wide open field right now, but Rand’s the class clown and it shows. He can’t handle being questioned, he’s changing positions with each passing week, and that thin veneer of libertarianism is flaking off to show the political opportunist underneath. He’s not crazy enough to win the base away from Cruz, but he’s too crazy to upset Bush for the establishment vote.

150 Jenner7  Apr 11, 2015 8:38:24pm

Most of this trail was in the water. It was spectacular.

This is how I spent my weekend. Knarraville Falls, Knarraville Utah
The lower fall
151 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 11, 2015 8:39:04pm

I suspected a hoax when I first saw this offer on another site, but here it is straight from the horse’s ass mouth (tedcruz.org):

Win An Afternoon of Shooting With Ted

This weekend thousands of Americans will gather at the 2015 NRA Annual Meeting to celebrate our Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms.

And Senator Ted Cruz would like to invite YOU to join him in exercising that right. Donate $25 and you’ll automatically be entered for a chance to join Ted Cruz for an afternoon of shooting in Texas.

Ted is too young to remember the Vietnam war, but I still might be more amenable to his offer if so many high profile Republicans, Rush, MItt, the Nuge, that rich duck hunter hippie, etc. had not declined the opportunity to join me in many afternoons, as well as mornings, evenings, and nights, of shooting in that much abused country.

Btw, I know I am a bit repetitive about that long ago unpleasantness, but it really is a BIG FUCKING DEAL to me, and to many thousands of other now aged veterans.

152 #FergusonFireside  Apr 11, 2015 8:40:39pm

Heh. Going to watch if I can stay up.

153 BigPapa  Apr 11, 2015 8:46:49pm

Conservatism is based on anti-government rhetoric. Cynicism works to that end.

154 De Kolta Chair  Apr 11, 2015 8:54:03pm

This was a good one

155 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 11, 2015 8:54:03pm

Damn, another one. This actually happened April 2 but the video was just released:

Video shows Tulsa man’s last moments alive after accidental police shooting (WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT)

An Oklahoma man’s last few moments alive after he was accidentally shot last week by a deputy who meant to stun him with a Taser is seen in disturbing video released by police Friday.

“He shot me! He shot me, man. Oh, my god. I’m losing my breath,” Eric Harris says as he struggles on the ground with police on top of him.

“F—- your breath,” an officer can be heard saying. “Shut the f—- up!”

Reserve Deputy Robert Bates, 73, shouted “Taser! Taser!” before pulling the trigger on his gun, firing one round into Harris.

“I shot him!” the shocked former policeman says, dropping his gun from the recoil. “I’m sorry.”

WTF? I mean, what the everlasting fucking fuck? The old fool of a deputy could not tell the difference between a gun and a taser, his own weapons?

156 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 11, 2015 9:01:23pm

re: #155 Shiplord Kirel

Damn, another one. This actually happened April 2 but the video was just released:

Video shows Tulsa man’s last moments alive after accidental police shooting (WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT)

WTF? I mean, what the everlasting fucking fuck? The old fool of a deputy could not tell the difference between a gun and a taser, his own weapons?

It gets worse. The sheriff’s office says their guy, 73 year old Robert Bates, was a “‘true victim’ of a ‘slip and capture’ phenomenon, which causes confusion in high-stress situations.”
“He made an inadvertent mistake,” says Sheriff McKelvy.

Bates has not been charged with a crime, while the victim, one Eric Harris remains dead from a gunshot that nobody even claims was justified.

157 retired cynic  Apr 11, 2015 9:04:50pm

re: #156 Shiplord Kirel

Another one I can’t watch.

158 Targetpractice  Apr 11, 2015 9:09:30pm

re: #156 Shiplord Kirel

It gets worse. The sheriff’s office says their guy, 73 year old Robert Bates, was a “‘true victim’ of a ‘slip and capture’ phenomenon, which causes confusion in high-stress situations.”
“He made an inadvertent mistake,” says Sheriff McKelvy.

Bates has not been charged with a crime, while the victim, one Eric Harris remains dead from a gunshot that nobody even claims was justified.

It is amazing how many “mistakes” by cops end up with somebody dead and nothing more than some shrugged shoulders by their superiors. Nobody will lose their job over this, nobody will face the possibility of jail time, and the victim’s family will receive no compensation. Instead, if they try to sue for compensation, they’ll have to face the victim being put on trial instead of the cop.

This has ceased being a racial issue and started becoming a public safety one.

159 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 11, 2015 9:14:57pm

re: #158 Targetpractice

It is amazing how many “mistakes” by cops end up with somebody dead and nothing more than some shrugged shoulders by their superiors. Nobody will lose their job over this, nobody will face the possibility of jail time, and the victim’s family will receive no compensation. Instead, if they try to sue for compensation, they’ll have to face the victim being put on trial instead of the cop.

This has ceased being a racial issue and started becoming a public safety one.

QFT
If this doesn’t stop the law will become unenforceable, then where will be? If you push people long enough and hard enough, they will push back.
The cops are often indistinguishable from street thugs themselves (note the foul-mouthed apeman cuffing the mortally wounded suspect in the video.) Hell of a way to speak to a dying man. The “street war” paradigm that prevails among police today is utter bullshit to start with, since the crime rate has been declining for many years.

160 De Kolta Chair  Apr 11, 2015 9:16:35pm
My #1 nominee for getting their head gruesomely cut off this season.
161 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 11, 2015 9:19:56pm

Brutish cops have always counted on frightened old white people and other “conservatives” to support them no matter what they do. That is changing fast. This was posted tonight at free republic, where posts seem to be running about 5 to 1 against the Tulsa deputy.


If they lose the right wing, they have lost everything.
162 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 11, 2015 9:20:29pm

re: #158 Targetpractice

It is amazing how many “mistakes” by cops end up with somebody dead and nothing more than some shrugged shoulders by their superiors. Nobody will lose their job over this, nobody will face the possibility of jail time, and the victim’s family will receive no compensation. Instead, if they try to sue for compensation, they’ll have to face the victim being put on trial instead of the cop.

This has ceased being a racial issue and started becoming a public safety one.

This incident makes me wonder why Tasers are designed in such a way that they can be mistaken for a sidearm. A modest redesign of the housing would render it incapable of being mistaken for a pistol while in no way diminishing its usability.

163 #FergusonFireside  Apr 11, 2015 9:27:39pm

re: #162 Higgs Boson’s Mate

This incident makes me wonder why Tasers are designed in such a way that they can be mistaken for a sidearm. The a modest redesign of the housing would render it incapable of being mistaken for a pistol while in no way diminishing its usability.

Ya’ll remember Oscar Grant? Killed by the Bart Cop who said he thought he was tazing him? Shot him in the back?

The movie they made, Fruitvale Station was devastating. I could barely leave my seat when it was over.

One of the first camera videos of a cop killing.

en.wikipedia.org

164 prairiefire  Apr 11, 2015 9:30:27pm

...

165 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 11, 2015 9:31:58pm

re: #163 #FergusonFireside

The BART shooting was the first time I wondered about a redesign. These days, it seems like a good idea not only to preclude mistakes, but to obviate cops using the “I thought it was my Taser,” excuse.

166 De Kolta Chair  Apr 11, 2015 9:34:09pm
167 De Kolta Chair  Apr 11, 2015 9:55:27pm
Daredevil after one too many dinners at Chipotle
168 Dexter's New Approach  Apr 11, 2015 9:57:11pm

“He made an inadvertent mistake,” says Sheriff McKelvy.
Why ruin the life of a good man that made a mistake? Guess who is who?

169 Dark_Falcon  Apr 11, 2015 10:01:40pm

re: #165 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The BART shooting was the first time I wondered about a redesign. These days, it seems like a good idea not only to preclude mistakes, but to obviate cops using the “I thought it was my Taser,” excuse.

I agree about the redesign, though I will note I think the jury in the Fruitvale Station case got its verdict right: The cop screwed up badly and a fatal screw up like his is 2nd Degree Manslaughter.

170 BeachDem  Apr 11, 2015 10:02:17pm

re: #23 HappyWarrior

I think Walker but I won’t be shocked if it is Bush.

Cruz scares me because he’s smart acting stupid to appeal to the “base” and because he’s batshit crazy. Walker scares me because he’s stupid (and isn’t acting.)

171 De Kolta Chair  Apr 11, 2015 10:03:07pm

re: #168 Dexter’s New Approach

“He made an inadvertent mistake,” says Sheriff McKelvy.
Why ruin the life of a good man that made a mistake? Guess who is who?

“He shot me! He shot me, man. Oh, my god. I’m losing my breath.”

“Fuck your breath. Shut the fuck up!”

A broken headlight. A fucking broken headlight.

172 BeachDem  Apr 11, 2015 10:17:28pm

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

Well, I’m the other way. If its Jeb vs. Hillary, I’ll vote for Jeb Bush.

Is there a potential Republican candidate you would not vote for?

173 Belafon  Apr 11, 2015 10:22:46pm

re: #172 BeachDem

Abraham Lincoln.

174 Kragar  Apr 11, 2015 10:26:07pm

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

Well, I’m the other way. If its Jeb vs. Hillary, I’ll vote for Jeb Bush.

What seals the deal for you? His hatred of LGBT people or his science denial?

175 Joe Bacon  Apr 11, 2015 10:26:56pm

Right now what has me curious is who the running mates will be.

I think the best fit for Hillary would be Jim Webb.

For Jeb Bush, he’s going to need a female running mate—Susana Martinez, Mia Love, Deb Fischer, Cathy McMorris-Rogers, Nikki Haley or Marsha Blackburn.

176 Joe Bacon  Apr 11, 2015 10:27:52pm

re: #174 Kragar

What seals the deal for you? His hatred of LGBT people or his science denial?

Terri Schiavo????????

177 Belafon  Apr 11, 2015 10:30:49pm

re: #175 Joe Bacon

Right now what has me curious is who the running mates will be.

I think the best fit for Hillary would be Jim Webb.

For Jeb Bush, he’s going to need a female running mate—Susana Martinez, Mia Love, Deb Fischer, Cathy McMorris-Rogers, Nikki Haley or Marsha Blackburn.

Why? The only thing Webb brings to Clinton’s ticket is Jim Webb. He adds nothing. As for Bush, why would he NEED a female? Is a pantsuit the only thing you can see when you see Clinton?

178 BeachDem  Apr 11, 2015 10:32:46pm

re: #175 Joe Bacon

Right now what has me curious is who the running mates will be.

I think the best fit for Hillary would be Jim Webb.

For Jeb Bush, he’s going to need a female running mate—Susana Martinez, Mia Love, Deb Fischer, Cathy McMorris-Rogers, Nikki Haley or Marsha Blackburn.

Every one of those women (possible exception Martinez, because I don’t know that much about her) scares me more than Jeb (and equally as much as Sarah Palin did.)

179 De Kolta Chair  Apr 11, 2015 10:41:20pm

If I were given the choice right now of Jennifer Lawrence baking me pizza or finding my glasses, I’d go for the latter. I can’t see a goddamn thing. Just saying.

Where’s my glasses??!! Found ‘em. Never mind.

180 De Kolta Chair  Apr 11, 2015 11:01:03pm

re: #175 Joe Bacon

Right now what has me curious is who the running mates will be.

I think the best fit for Hillary would be Jim Webb.

For Jeb Bush, he’s going to need a female running mate—Susana Martinez, Mia Love, Deb Fischer, Cathy McMorris-Rogers, Nikki Haley or Marsha Blackburn.

I can easily see Jim Webb as Secretary Clinton’s veep, the Democratic macho macho man thing and all that, and with the added bonus that nobody in the press will bother to mention that as Reagan’s Secretary of the Navy Webb’s main initiative was to build a “600 ship Navy,” an incredible waste of money that eventually got him fired, rightfully in my opinion, by of all people the Reagan administration.

Then again, Reagan didn’t like Webb much, which works in Webb’s favor.

181 BeachDem  Apr 11, 2015 11:04:44pm

re: #180 De Kolta Chair

I can easily see Jim Webb as Secretary Clinton’s veep, the Democratic macho man thing and all that, and with the added plus that nobody in the press will bother to mention that as Reagan’s Secretary of the Navy, Webb’s main initiative was to build a “600 ship Navy,” which eventually got him fired, rightfully, in my opinion, by of all people the Reagan administration.

Then again, Reagan didn’t like Webb much, which works in Webb’s favor.

Don’t like Jim Webb. I’d prefer Martin O’Malley or Julián Castro. Particularly like O’Malley—and think he’d be a good counterpart for Clinton—more appealing to the liberal wing of the Dems.

182 De Kolta Chair  Apr 11, 2015 11:15:15pm

re: #181 BeachDem

Don’t like Jim Webb. I’d prefer Martin O’Malley or Julián Castro. Particularly like O’Malley—and think he’d be a good counterpart for Clinton—more appealing to the liberal wing of the Dems.

Both good, sharp politicians. I’ve been leaning towards Tim Kaine for the last few years, though the media will probably label him as a drunker version of Joe Biden, as they do all Catholic pols, and as they will with O’Malley and Castro.

183 BeachDem  Apr 11, 2015 11:25:38pm

re: #182 De Kolta Chair

Both good, sharp politicians. I’ve been leaning towards Tim Kaine for the last few years, though the media will probably label him as a drunker version of Joe Biden, as they do all Catholic pols, and as they will with O’Malley and Castro.

I like Tim Kaine as well—and he declared for Hillary a year ago (at the SC Democratic convention.) With O’Malley, they’ll try to go for “womanizer” and Castro as an “other” and “too inexperienced.”

184 De Kolta Chair  Apr 11, 2015 11:31:25pm

re: #183 BeachDem

I like Tim Kaine as well—and he declared for Hillary a year ago (at the SC Democratic convention.) With O’Malley, they’ll try to go for “womanizer” and Castro as an “other” and “too inexperienced.”

The Beltway media, always set on maximum feedback.

Btw, turns out that Jennifer Lawrence bakes a mighty fine Chicago-style thick crust pizza pie. Who knew? ;-)

185 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 11, 2015 11:44:12pm

A bit of good news:
Argentine court orders arrest of Justin Bieber over assault claim

(Reuters) - An Argentine judge ordered the arrest of pop star Justin Bieber if he sets foot in the country after the Canadian singer failed to face questions about an alleged assault at a Buenos Aires nightclub in 2013, his court secretary said on Friday.

Canadians and Americans call for extradition…

186 BeachDem  Apr 11, 2015 11:46:05pm

re: #184 De Kolta Chair

The Beltway media, always set on maximum feedback.

Btw, turns out that Jennifer Lawrence bakes a mighty fine Chicago-style thick crust pizza pie. Who knew? ;-)

Well, I hope that you find your glasses before she comes over to bake you that pizza. It would be a shame if you weren’t able to see her!

187 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 11, 2015 11:50:10pm

re: #158 Targetpractice

It is amazing how many “mistakes” by cops end up with somebody dead and nothing more than some shrugged shoulders by their superiors. Nobody will lose their job over this, nobody will face the possibility of jail time, and the victim’s family will receive no compensation. Instead, if they try to sue for compensation, they’ll have to face the victim being put on trial instead of the cop.

This has ceased being a racial issue and started becoming a public safety one.

Accidentally apropos of this, here’s what I found just now visiting UpChuck’s website:

Buckle up for safety
188 De Kolta Chair  Apr 11, 2015 11:50:56pm

Later, lizards, and watch out for that darn cat

189 Dr Lizardo  Apr 11, 2015 11:51:10pm

re: #96 TedStriker

Well, there’s the increased money to be made on the Wingnut Welfare circuit for running as a presidential candidate, so there’s that.

Not to mention that Walker, Cruz, et al, are basically angling for the VP slot.

190 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 11, 2015 11:54:20pm

re: #189 Dr Lizardo

Not to mention that Walker, Cruz, et al, are basically angling for the VP slot.

Either one as a VP scares the crap out of me. Palin was bad enough.

191 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 11, 2015 11:54:37pm

Authentic rightwing gibberish.

BREAKING: The State of Iowa Just Bowed Down to Shariah Law (freeper re-post)

This has to do with Iowa governor Terry Branstad signing a proclamation that designated April 8 as “Muslim Appreciation Day.” Apparently Branstad has been doing this for several years but the kook-o-sphere just got around to noticing. That’s it, no stonings, beheadings, crucifictions, or mandatory burkas, or special taxes on Christians, Jews and Heathens. At last report women are still allowed to drive in Iowa.
I can only guess that the administrators of this shariah system are therefore as incompetent as the masterminds of Obama’s plan to destroy free enterprise, to say nothing of the great gun roundup.

192 D.S.K.  Apr 11, 2015 11:57:51pm

This is not actually Romita’s first marvel comic work (The Avengers #23 bears that honor). His first Marvel character was Captain America, done back in 1953 when the company was known as Atlas Comics.
Daredevil did feature some great work by him though, and the new series is off to a fantastic start.

193 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 11, 2015 11:58:08pm

re: #191 Shiplord Kirel

Authentic rightwing gibberish.

BREAKING: The State of Iowa Just Bowed Down to Shariah Law (freeper re-post)

This has to do with Iowa governor Terry Branstad signing a proclamation that designated April 8 as “Muslim Appreciation Day.” Apparently Branstad has been doing this for several years but the kook-o-sphere just got around to noticing. That’s it, no stonings, beheadings, crucifictions, or mandatory burkas, or special taxes on Christians, Jews and Heathens. At last report women are still allowed to drive in Iowa.
I can only guess that the administrators of this shariah system are therefore as incompetent as the masterminds of Obama’s plan to destroy free enterprise, to say nothing of the great gun roundup.

Just tell them everyone must start using Arabic numbers and see how long it takes them to notice the joke.

194 De Kolta Chair  Apr 12, 2015 12:09:26am

Btw, did I ever mention here that my all-time favorite book title is…

195 Nyet  Apr 12, 2015 1:14:23am

re: #155 Shiplord Kirel

Even in the best case scenario he still should be in prison. Because even if it was a mistake, it was of a criminal nature.

196 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 12, 2015 2:38:04am

OH HAI
I’m in Amsterdam waiting for the flight to Detroit which is, of course, delayed. The free beer helps. :)

I had the pleasure of meeting @jihadijew at Ben Gurion airport which I see has already been posted.

197 Nyet  Apr 12, 2015 2:42:05am

re: #196 Lord Of The Pies

What are the chances? :)

198 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 12, 2015 2:47:40am

re: #197 Nyet

What are the chances? :)

That I would see a Breslover Hasid and guess that it’s @jihadijew because it looks like his Twitter avi?

It could have been somebody else. He wasn’t even on the flight to Amsterdam, just sitting at that departure gate because there were no seats at the gate for his flight to Istanbul (yes Turkish Airways is a popular airline for travelers from the USA to Israel, who knew?)

199 Nyet  Apr 12, 2015 2:51:37am

re: #198 Lord Of The Pies

Was it like,

- Aren’t you Jihadi Jew? Hello, I’m Vicious Babushka!
//
:D

200 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 12, 2015 2:54:41am

re: #199 Nyet

Was it like,

- Aren’t you Jihadi Jew? Hello, I’m Vicious Babushka!
//
:D

Yeah it was just like that. :)

201 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 12, 2015 2:55:16am

I don’t think I even told him my real name :)

202 Nyet  Apr 12, 2015 2:57:08am

re: #201 Lord Of The Pies

So cool. :)

203 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 12, 2015 3:09:31am

re: #201 Lord Of The Pies

I don’t think I even told him my real name :)

Members of the worldwide Juice spy organization never reveal their true identities.
//

204 Nyet  Apr 12, 2015 3:17:53am

re: #203 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Members of the worldwide Juice spy organization never reveal their true identities.
//

Nobody knew that VB is actually a Lizard.
///

205 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 12, 2015 3:21:37am

re: #198 Lord Of The Pies

That I would see a Breslover Hasid and guess that it’s @jihadijew because it looks like his Twitter avi?

It could have been somebody else. He wasn’t even on the flight to Amsterdam, just sitting at that departure gate because there were no seats at the gate for his flight to Istanbul (yes Turkish Airways is a popular airline for travelers from the USA to Israel, who knew?)

Very cool story!

And good morning, Lizardem!

206 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 12, 2015 3:25:19am

Well, after several years of faithful service, it appears my iPhone’s battery is dying. I charged it to 100 percent last night before I went to bed. This a.m., there is no charge whatsoever, and I didn’t use it at all last night.

I’m thinking of going back to a dumb phone, where I could charge it and it would last for days. :/

207 Justanotherhuman  Apr 12, 2015 3:41:17am

Palin-lover says what?

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., on President Obama’s remarks at Summit of the Americas: ‘So Pres. Obama goes to Panama, meets with Castro and attacks me - I’m sure Raúl is pleased’ - @SenJohnMcCain
see original on twitter.com

McCain gets smaller and smaller…

208 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 12, 2015 3:43:16am

re: #207 Justanotherhuman

Palin-lover says what?

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., on President Obama’s remarks at Summit of the Americas: ‘So Pres. Obama goes to Panama, meets with Castro and attacks me - I’m sure Raúl is pleased’ - @SenJohnMcCain
see original on twitter.com

McCain gets smaller and smaller…

Where’s that video where Obama said “I won”? That should play on a loop in McCain’s office.

209 Teukka  Apr 12, 2015 3:52:15am

re: #206 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Well, after several years of faithful service, it appears my iPhone’s battery is dying. I charged it to 100 percent last night before I went to bed. This a.m., there is no charge whatsoever, and I didn’t use it at all last night.

I’m thinking of going back to a dumb phone, where I could charge it and it would last for days. :/

No need to buy a rightwing phone, it’s just looking at what programs and services are active on the phone, like you don’t always need Bluetooth, WiFi or GNSS (GPS) enabled. You could also tell the thing to prefer 2G or 3G networks over 4G ones (that saves batteries too).

I’m sure there is a page for it on teh intertubes.
Also, remember that phone batteries are — at the time being — consumables.

210 Justanotherhuman  Apr 12, 2015 3:56:03am

I just saw this on CNN. The cops are really trying to cover this one up, from saying the suspect admitted to PCP use to medics, to the age of the reserve deputy, and on and on, saying it was a mistake. It’s that easy to mistake a taser for a real gun? Really?

Video released of deadly shooting in Tulsa after police chase

cnn.com

As a 74 yr old, I’m going on record as saying that some people don’t know when to retire because they believe the hype. It sure isn’t true, and I’m in pretty decent shape for my age with no major issues.

211 Justanotherhuman  Apr 12, 2015 3:58:49am

re: #209 Teukka

May I ask what a “rightwing” phone is?

212 Nyet  Apr 12, 2015 4:00:31am
This was not the only time the self-styled Christs came to fisticuffs over philosophical differences, but gradually the spirited discourse gave way to a shaky, mutually patronizing peace. The men sometimes humored one another’s delusions, and other times they tap-danced around them. Over time, each Christ cultivated new delusions to retain his claim to godliness. Clyde squared his reality with the others’ by concluding that the other men were actually dead—in his mind they were absurd corpse puppets whose limbs and faces were controlled by machines hidden inside of them. Leon explained away the others’ assertions as lies from attention-seeking imposters, or the result of technical-sounding nonsense terms such as “duping”, “interferences”, or “electronic imposition”. As for Joseph, he sagely observed that the other Christ claimants were, in fact, patients in a mental hospital, which proved that they were quite insane.

damninteresting.com

213 Nyet  Apr 12, 2015 4:00:43am

re: #211 Justanotherhuman

May I ask what a “rightwing” phone is?

Dumb. :D

214 Justanotherhuman  Apr 12, 2015 4:04:00am

re: #213 Nyet

Dumb. :D

OTOH, sometimes people don’t want to be connected to all the ignorance out there, either.

215 Teukka  Apr 12, 2015 4:05:45am

re: #211 Justanotherhuman

May I ask what a “rightwing” phone is?

A phone which isn’t smart *badumtssh*

216 Justanotherhuman  Apr 12, 2015 4:07:22am

re: #215 Teukka

A phone which isn’t smart *badumtssh*

And “smart” phones don’t make people any smarter when they’re already dumb.

217 Teukka  Apr 12, 2015 4:10:36am

re: #216 Justanotherhuman

And “smart” phones don’t make people any smarter when they’re already dumb.

TRUFAX.

218 Justanotherhuman  Apr 12, 2015 4:11:25am

How does it feel, this coming isolation?

Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov says moves of Finland and Sweden towards ties with NATO are of a ‘special concern’ - @Reuters
end of alert

219 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 12, 2015 4:17:34am

Amusingly apt typo at Free Republic:

Game Changer? Enhanced Video Shows Officer Slayer With Taser Darts in Chest, Leg; Wires Everywhere

As the author explains in a subsequent comment, this should be officer Slager. (Freep has no edit function).

The story itself is a hare-brained attempt to excuse Slager on the grounds that the victim, Walter Scott, had taken the officer’s taser and zapped him with it.
This is RWNJ straw-grasping in its purest form, since Scott was indisputably unarmed, running away, and not a threat by the time Slager the Slayer shot him.

220 Justanotherhuman  Apr 12, 2015 4:33:00am

re: #219 Shiplord Kirel

Did someone with very poor vision write that incredibly stupid article?

Yeah, I looked. Didn’t see anything of the sort even remotely suggesting that poor Slager the Slayer suffered anything, nor was it reported anywhere.

Incredible that there are such deniers liars on this planet that they just pull “facts” out of their ass and attempt to make it seem they’re real evidence.

221 Decatur Deb  Apr 12, 2015 4:45:51am

re: #161 Shiplord Kirel

Brutish cops have always counted on frightened old white people and other “conservatives” to support them no matter what they do. That is changing fast. This was posted tonight at free republic, where posts seem to be running about 5 to 1 against the Tulsa deputy.

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If they lose the right wing, they have lost everything.

This is why the Freepers are sympathetic to the shooting victim. He was involved in their kind of crime.

“He had bolted from officers who were trying to arrest him for selling a 9 mm. semiautomatic pistol and ammunition to undercover cops.”

222 Nyet  Apr 12, 2015 4:48:51am

re: #161 Shiplord Kirel

Brutish cops have always counted on frightened old white people

I say they should go back to their Brutain.

223 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 12, 2015 4:58:09am

re: #214 Justanotherhuman

OTOH, sometimes people don’t want to be connected to all the ignorance out there, either.

I’m just tired of being constantly connected, that’s right. I don’t mind the occasional text, but I don’t want to check my e-mail in the john.

224 darthstar  Apr 12, 2015 5:01:31am

Speaking of @Daredevil, apparently Peter Sagal thinks it’s pretty good.

225 Justanotherhuman  Apr 12, 2015 5:07:01am

Pope calls Armenian slaughter by Ottomans ‘first genocide of the 20th century’ - @AP
end of alert

Turkey summons Vatican ambassador over Pope Francis’ comments on Armenian genocide, official says - @Reuters
end of alert

226 darthstar  Apr 12, 2015 5:07:20am
227 Nyet  Apr 12, 2015 5:09:52am

re: #226 darthstar

wut

228 Nyet  Apr 12, 2015 5:13:02am

New Pope, same as the old Pope.

Vatican, France in showdown over gay ambassador

229 Justanotherhuman  Apr 12, 2015 5:25:59am

Fascinating, but he also seems to be still stuck in a backward view of women in that sect, for whom he has no empathy, according to the reviewer.

The Hasidic world through the eyes of a Jewish heretic

In his page-turner of a memoir, former Skverer Hasid Shulem Deen traces his years-long journey away from faith and family.

haaretz.com

230 Nyet  Apr 12, 2015 5:26:38am

Basically, that’s what Russian Communism degenerated into. In one message the main Russian commie manages to congratulate Christians with the Easter and has a picture equating Stalin with “the Good”.

kprf.ru

231 darthstar  Apr 12, 2015 5:27:24am

re: #227 Nyet

wut

Iran will be a good neighbor just to make Bibi look bad…I think.

Another reason we should just nuke ‘em. //

232 darthstar  Apr 12, 2015 5:29:50am
233 darthstar  Apr 12, 2015 5:30:12am

ixnay on the enocide-gay

234 darthstar  Apr 12, 2015 5:32:44am

Ooh…I didn’t know Vincent D’Onofrio was in it. I like his roles usually.

235 Justanotherhuman  Apr 12, 2015 5:41:06am

I don’t see any news reports on the “stop the wars on drugs and terrorism” event in Austin yesterday, starring GG, Radley Balko and Ron Paul (BTW, notice no women “stars”).

Must have been a bust.

These people’s outsized egos really do outweigh their influence by shit tons.

236 Dr Lizardo  Apr 12, 2015 5:41:18am

re: #233 darthstar

ixnay on the enocide-gay

IIRC, it’s actually illegal in Turkey to state the Turks committed genocide against the Armenians.

237 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 12, 2015 5:55:03am

If the shoe fits …

238 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 12, 2015 5:56:23am

re: #234 darthstar

Ooh…I didn’t know Vincent D’Onofrio was in it. I like his roles usually.

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D’Onofrio does a great job playing a character who’s borderline psychotic. Even his police detective in L&O: Criminal Intent was a little “off.” He’s playing Kingpin in Daredevil and nails the menace and megalomania of the character perfectly.

I just watched episode 4. Definitely not the kind of stuff that would fly on network TV.

239 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 12, 2015 6:01:46am

re: #238 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

D’Onofrio does a great job playing a character who’s borderline psychotic. Even his police detective in L&O: Criminal Intent was a little “off.” He’s playing Kingpin in Daredevil and nails the menace and megalomania of the character perfectly.

I just watched episode 4. Definitely not the kind of stuff that would fly on network TV.

A little? He was totally off.

240 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 12, 2015 6:03:02am

I find it fascinating that the comic books I loved reading as a kid are now live action movies and TV series. Not only that, they’ve been made into some of the best entertainment available — with certain exceptions that shall not be named.

241 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 12, 2015 6:04:21am

re: #239 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

A little? He was totally off.

OK. Point conceded.

242 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 12, 2015 6:05:34am

re: #241 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

OK. Point conceded.

That said, the only reason I watched that show was because of D’Onofrio’s totally off detective. :)

Edit: although Jeff Goldblum was a good save for them.

243 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 12, 2015 6:13:56am

re: #242 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

That said, the only reason I watched that show was because of D’Onofrio’s totally off detective. :)

Edit: although Jeff Goldblum was a good save for them.

I’ve caught a few of the Goldblum eps. He’s a good replacement — quirky in his own less freaky way.

244 Varek Raith  Apr 12, 2015 6:19:56am

re: #243 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’ve caught a few of the Goldblum eps. He’s a good replacement — quirky in his own less freaky way.

Just Jeff Goldblum Jeff Goldbluming the hell out of it.

245 Timothy Watson  Apr 12, 2015 6:36:40am

re: #244 Varek Raith

Just Jeff Goldblum Jeff Goldbluming the hell out of it.

My favorite Goldblum scenes:
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246 HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2015 6:40:04am

re: #238 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

D’Onofrio does a great job playing a character who’s borderline psychotic. Even his police detective in L&O: Criminal Intent was a little “off.” He’s playing Kingpin in Daredevil and nails the menace and megalomania of the character perfectly.

I just watched episode 4. Definitely not the kind of stuff that would fly on network TV.

I think Goren(his character on LO:CI) was possibly Asperger’s or something like that on the spectrum. Anyhow not a big fan of superhero stuff in general but I did hear this was good and I’ve liked D’Onofrio ever since I saw him as Edgar in Men in Black when I was a kid.

247 HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2015 6:41:37am

True Detective Season 2 starts on 6/21. I’m excited about that. Fargo Season 2 should start around the same time too.

248 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 12, 2015 6:43:54am

re: #246 HappyWarrior

I think Goren(his character on LO:CI) was possibly Asperger’s or something like that on the spectrum. Anyhow not a big fan of superhero stuff in general but I did hear this was good and I’ve liked D’Onofrio ever since I saw him as Edgar in Men in Black when I was a kid.

Daredevil’s powers are heightened senses (aside from vision) and an amazing ability to take a licking and keep on ticking. He’s more like Batman than Spider-Man in that regard

249 HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2015 6:46:32am

re: #180 De Kolta Chair

I can easily see Jim Webb as Secretary Clinton’s veep, the Democratic macho macho man thing and all that, and with the added bonus that nobody in the press will bother to mention that as Reagan’s Secretary of the Navy Webb’s main initiative was to build a “600 ship Navy,” an incredible waste of money that eventually got him fired, rightfully in my opinion, by of all people the Reagan administration.

Then again, Reagan didn’t like Webb much, which works in Webb’s favor.

I doubt Webb happens. A president and VP both over 70? I really do like Castro or O’Malley. Kaine too. I think Castro is a great choice. He’s got both experience in Washington and running a city. Plus I think he would help Hillary with younger voters. I really see him as someone with a really bright future.

250 HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2015 6:47:06am

re: #248 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Daredevil’s powers are heightened senses (aside from vision) and an amazing ability to take a licking and keep on ticking. He’s more like Batman than Spider-Man in that regard

Ah gotcha. Always did prefer Batman over Superman in that debate.

251 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 12, 2015 6:53:04am

re: #250 HappyWarrior

Ah gotcha. Always did prefer Batman over Superman in that debate.

Superman’s biggest problem, from a script-writing angle, is finding a nemesis mighty enough to pose a threat and create drama. He’s got god-like powers, so either pit against another god-like being, or against a genius with some kryptonite on hand. That limits your options.

Batman, on the other hand, offers more dramatic premises.

252 HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2015 6:55:14am

re: #251 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Superman’s biggest problem, from a script-writing angle, is finding a nemesis mighty enough to pose a threat and create drama. He’s got god-like powers, so either pit against another god-like being, or against a genius with some kryptonite on hand. That limits your options.

Batman, on the other hand, offers more dramatic premises.

Right, that was always my problem with Superman. “Oh, his Achilles heel is something from planets away? Pfft.” Batman always had a much more human element to the plot and character. I’ve always enjoyed more realistic material.

253 Dark_Falcon  Apr 12, 2015 6:55:41am

re: #207 Justanotherhuman

Palin-lover says what?

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., on President Obama’s remarks at Summit of the Americas: ‘So Pres. Obama goes to Panama, meets with Castro and attacks me - I’m sure Raúl is pleased’ - @SenJohnMcCain
see original on twitter.com

McCain gets smaller and smaller…

Nothing wrong with what McCain said, and he doesn’t love Sarah Palin, nor did he in 2008. He just nominated her to satisfy James Dobson.

254 stpaulbear  Apr 12, 2015 7:00:20am

re: #189 Dr Lizardo

Not to mention that Walker, Cruz, et al, are basically angling for the VP slot.

If Cruz were VP, he’d be setting up secret meetings to try to goad the house into impeaching the president. He already thinks of himself as leader of the house republicans.

255 Nyet  Apr 12, 2015 7:04:18am

re: #253 Dark_Falcon

Nothing wrong with what McCain said, and he doesn’t love Sarah Palin, nor did he in 2008. He just nominated her to satisfy James Dobson.

Why did he need to satisfy Dobson?

256 stpaulbear  Apr 12, 2015 7:04:42am

re: #253 Dark_Falcon

He just nominated her to satisfy James Dobson.

He chose her to be his running mate for the frickin’ VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. That’s not a decision you ‘just’ make casually as a favor to some religious whackjob. McCain totally fucked up and he’s never recovered and he’s never going to recover.

257 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 12, 2015 7:05:13am

re: #252 HappyWarrior

Right, that was always my problem with Superman. “Oh, his Achilles heel is something from planets away? Pfft.” Batman always had a much more human element to the plot and character. I’ve always enjoyed more realistic material.

I like them all, some more than others, of course. I’ve been a comics fan since my first Superman comic in 1962, but really have not been an avid reader since about the 1970s — I guess I parted ways when the Bronze Age came in. I still dabble in reading once in a while, mostly ecomics since the paper kind are not sold in China. The whole graphic novel format pretty much passed me by, and now I’m trying to catch up. An impossible task.

Green Lantern/Hal Jordan was my favorite, before the writers made him all batshit crazy. Then they made him mentally sane again, after going through some interesting … phases.

The constant reconfigurations are somewhat necessary, I know, to keep the characters fresh for each generation. But damn, keeping up with the multiple incarnations of these characters is impossible.

Next thing you know, they’ll be making Thor into a woman, or something wacky like that.
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258 HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2015 7:06:08am

re: #253 Dark_Falcon

Nothing wrong with what McCain said, and he doesn’t love Sarah Palin, nor did he in 2008. He just nominated her to satisfy James Dobson.

So you’re saying McCain is an appeaser. Really you can stop acting like McCain has scruples or principles when it’s clear he doesn’t.

259 darthstar  Apr 12, 2015 7:06:23am

re: #239 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

A little? He was totally off.

I also liked him as the Bug in Men in Black.

260 Dr Lizardo  Apr 12, 2015 7:07:10am

re: #255 Nyet

Why did he need to satisfy Dobson?

Because if the religious right had abstained from the 2008 election, McCain’s defeat would’ve been assured. Basically, political calculus. The GOP and the RR can’t live without each other. The RR needs the GOP for its party infrastructure, and the GOP needs the RR for its GOTV efforts.

261 HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2015 7:07:57am

re: #256 stpaulbear

He chose her to be his running mate for the frickin’ VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. That’s not a decision you ‘just’ make casually as a favor to some religious whackjob. McCain totally fucked up and he’s never recovered and he’s never going to recover.

It’s certainly not a decision you make when you would if elected become the oldest president ever. A foolish man chooses a VP to appease his base, a wise man chooses a VP to help him run the country. Obama could have gone with some young, liberal firebrand for his running mate too but he went with the guy who he thought would be best to help him lead the country.

262 HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2015 7:08:19am

re: #259 darthstar

I also liked him as the Bug in Men in Black.

My introduction to him since I was too young for FMJ.

263 Justanotherhuman  Apr 12, 2015 7:08:54am

re: #261 HappyWarrior

It’s certainly not a decision you make when you would if elected become the oldest president ever. A foolish man chooses a VP to appease his base, a wise man chooses a VP to help him run the country. Obama could have gone with some young, liberal firebrand for his running mate too but he went with the guy who he thought would be best to help him lead the country.

And that, my friend, is called the adult in the room.

264 darthstar  Apr 12, 2015 7:09:00am

re: #258 HappyWarrior

So you’re saying McCain is an appeaser. Really you can stop acting like McCain has scruples or principles when it’s clear he doesn’t.

That former war-hero turned sleazebag is now saying the GOP needs to woo Independents…yeah, because he wants to get one more term as Senator so he can try to erase his legacy of bigotry since losing to a black guy in 2008.

265 HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2015 7:09:20am

re: #260 Dr Lizardo

Because if the religious right had abstained from the 2008 election, McCain’s defeat would’ve been assured. Basically, political calculus. The GOP and the RR can’t live without each other. The RR needs the GOP for its party infrastructure, and the GOP needs the RR for its GOTV efforts.

I think a lot of people realize that Re: McCain but at the same time, I think he could have selected someone both more qualified and less extreme and still satisfied them. What gets me is how McCain is too proud to admit he fucked up with the Palin pick.

266 Romantic Heretic  Apr 12, 2015 7:09:21am

re: #214 Justanotherhuman

OTOH, sometimes people don’t want to be connected to all the ignorance out there, either.

It can be contagious, can’t it?

267 HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2015 7:10:07am

re: #264 darthstar

That former war-hero turned sleazebag is now saying the GOP needs to woo Independents…yeah, because he wants to get one more term as Senator so he can try to erase his legacy of bigotry since losing to a black guy in 2008.

I really wish he would just retire already. He’s offered nothing constructive to the conversation since Obama beat him in 2008. All he’s shown himself to be since the defeat is to be a man who doesn’t know how to lose.

268 darthstar  Apr 12, 2015 7:10:19am

re: #262 HappyWarrior

My introduction to him since I was too young for FMJ.

Oh, yeah…well, he never made it out of boot camp in that movie…and I didn’t realize it was him until some time after L&O CI came out. But fantastic acting as a young man.

269 HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2015 7:10:20am

re: #263 Justanotherhuman

And that, my friend, is called the adult in the room.

It’s why I voted for him.

270 darthstar  Apr 12, 2015 7:11:35am

re: #267 HappyWarrior

I really wish he would just retire already. He’s offered nothing constructive to the conversation since Obama beat him in 2008. All he’s shown himself to be since the defeat is to be a man who doesn’t know how to lose.

Oh he knows how to lose alright…he has lost every fight he’s picked with Obama. He just doesn’t know how to lose gracefully.

271 HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2015 7:11:48am

re: #268 darthstar

Oh, yeah…well, he never made it out of boot camp in that movie…and I didn’t realize it was him until some time after L&O CI came out. But fantastic acting as a young man.

Yeah he was great in FMJ. I actually related a bit to Pyle since my big thing as a kid when I was being yelled at was to have a giant grin whilst nervous. Great as Eames on LO:CI. I never saw it but my dad said he saw him play Abbie Hoffman in a movie and it was interesting.

272 Dark_Falcon  Apr 12, 2015 7:14:19am

re: #261 HappyWarrior

It’s certainly not a decision you make when you would if elected become the oldest president ever. A foolish man chooses a VP to appease his base, a wise man chooses a VP to help him run the country. Obama could have gone with some young, liberal firebrand for his running mate too but he went with the guy who he thought would be best to help him lead the country.

It’s like Dr. Lizardo said: McCain wanted Joe Lieberman, who he felt would show outreach and be useful in running the country. James Dobson regarded such a choice as unacceptable and issued John McCain what amounted to an ulimatum: Either nominate nominate an evangelical conservative for VP or Dobson would tell his followers to “go fishing” on election day.

McCain would have had no path to victory had Dobson made good on his threat and had other evangelical leaders followed suit, so he picked someone who they’d accept but who he also hoped would represent outreach by being a woman.

273 darthstar  Apr 12, 2015 7:15:00am

re: #271 HappyWarrior

Yeah he was great in FMJ. I actually related a bit to Pyle since my big thing as a kid when I was being yelled at was to have a giant grin whilst nervous. Great as Eames on LO:CI. I never saw it but my dad said he saw him play Abbie Hoffman in a movie and it was interesting.

Steal This Movie

274 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 12, 2015 7:15:17am

re: #265 HappyWarrior

I think a lot of people realize that Re: McCain but at the same time, I think he could have selected someone both more qualified and less extreme and still satisfied them. What gets me is how McCain is too proud to admit he fucked up with the Palin pick.

In 2008 I was seriously divided internally about McCain, Obama and Clinton before the primaries. I mean, I’ve always voted Democrat (except for John Anderson, a mistake of my younger days), but was willing to consider McCain as a possibility. Then he chose Palin as the VP candidate. End of story.

I favored Clinton on the Dem side, with Obama a close second. So, his winning the nomination didn’t upset me at all. His winning the election was a powerful statement to the world that the USA is not just about old white guys, though the old white guys are doing everything in their power (and failing) to make sure it never happens again.

275 darthstar  Apr 12, 2015 7:16:45am

re: #272 Dark_Falcon

It’s like Dr. Lizardo said: McCain wanted Joe Lieberman, who he felt would show outreach and be useful in running the country. James Dobson regarded such a choice as unacceptable and issued John McCain what amounted to an ulimatum: Either nominate nominate an evangelical conservative for VP or Dobson would tell his followers to “go fishing” on election day.

And that is why he would have been a shitty president. If you can’t stand up to a religious freak you have no business being in public office.

276 Romantic Heretic  Apr 12, 2015 7:17:33am

re: #226 darthstar

I can understand why Iran sticking to an agreement would piss Bibi off.

Syria and Iraq are too wrapped up in their civil wars to be a danger to Israel.

Jordan and Egypt have been fairly good, but not exactly friendly, neighbours for over thirty years now.

The Palestinians have been demonstrated to be nearly powerless to harm Israel for decades.

So who is Bibi going to use as a scary monster to get Israelis to vote for him?

277 stpaulbear  Apr 12, 2015 7:19:46am

re: #272 Dark_Falcon

McCain would have had no path to victory had Dobson made good on his threat and had other evangelical leaders followed suit, so he picked someone who they’d accept but who he also hoped would represent outreach by being a woman.

And the result was still no path to victory. He made those choices to appease the republican base but everyone who wasn’t a part of the republican base saw right through it and was horrified. Women still saw that the republican party was not their friend, and Palin embarassed them.

278 HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2015 7:20:26am

re: #275 darthstar

And that is why he would have been a shitty president. If you can’t stand up to a religious freak you have no business being in public office.

Yeah, DF you’re not helping McCain’s cause here. Really he lets James Dobson push him around? And it shows piss poor planning and thinking on his part that he had his heart set on Lieberman without considering other people. He let himself get bullied by the RR which is really a shame since he actually had called them out in the past.

279 Dark_Falcon  Apr 12, 2015 7:20:41am

re: #275 darthstar

And that is why he would have been a shitty president. If you can’t stand up to a religious freak you have no business being in public office.

In this case, standing up to Dobson was highly likely to get McCain crushed by Obama. And if standing up to someone just means losing, then I personally think truckling under is the smart play.

280 darthstar  Apr 12, 2015 7:21:02am
Click to Reveal

6,000 years old //

281 Dr Lizardo  Apr 12, 2015 7:21:16am

re: #272 Dark_Falcon

It’s like Dr. Lizardo said: McCain wanted Joe Lieberman, who he felt would show outreach and be useful in running the country. James Dobson regarded such a choice as unacceptable and issued John McCain what amounted to an ulimatum: Either nominate nominate an evangelical conservative for VP or Dobson would tell his followers to “go fishing” on election day.

McCain would have had no path to victory had Dobson made good on his threat and had other evangelical leaders followed suit, so he picked someone who they’d accept but who he also hoped would represent outreach by being a woman.

On the other hand, if McCain had stuck to his guns, got Lieberman as his VP pick, and then gone on to victory (and that’s not outside the realm of possibility, btw) then that would have been the end of the religious right as a political force. Their power would’ve been broken, perhaps irreparably. If they could no longer threaten the GOP with a denial of victory, what would they have? Nothing.

And America would have been better for it.

282 HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2015 7:21:46am

re: #274 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

In 2008 I was seriously divided internally about McCain, Obama and Clinton before the primaries. I mean, I’ve always voted Democrat (except for John Anderson, a mistake of my younger days), but was willing to consider McCain as a possibility. Then he chose Palin as the VP candidate. End of story.

I favored Clinton on the Dem side, with Obama a close second. So, his winning the nomination didn’t upset me at all. His winning the election was a powerful statement to the world that the USA is not just about old white guys, though the old white guys are doing everything in their power (and failing) to make sure it never happens again.

I think Palin was a dealbreaker for many. I was willing to give her a shot but then she saw both how unqualified for the job she is and how extreme she is.

283 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Apr 12, 2015 7:21:47am

re: #276 Romantic Heretic

He’ll think of something.

284 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 12, 2015 7:21:52am

re: #272 Dark_Falcon

It’s like Dr. Lizardo said: McCain wanted Joe Lieberman, who he felt would show outreach and be useful in running the country. James Dobson regarded such a choice as unacceptable and issued John McCain what amounted to an ulimatum: Either nominate nominate an evangelical conservative for VP or Dobson would tell his followers to “go fishing” on election day.

McCain would have had no path to victory had Dobson made good on his threat and had other evangelical leaders followed suit, so he picked someone who they’d accept but who he also hoped would represent outreach by being a woman.

A serious miscalculation on his part, as it turned out. I really wish the candidates in your chosen party would show some backbone and tell the pulpit-thumpers to take a hike. Sure, they’d leave with a sizable amount of voters and start a third party, which would all but guarantee a Democratic majority for a decade or more, but then the remaining GOP could be a party of grown-ups who can compromise when necessary and appeal to moderates, and maybe even non-white people.

They were like that once, maybe 60 years ago.

285 Justanotherhuman  Apr 12, 2015 7:22:17am

re: #279 Dark_Falcon

In this case, standing up to Dobson was highly likely to get McCain crushed by Obama. And if standing up to someone just means losing, then I personally think truckling under is the smart play.

It was a Hobson’s choice for McCain.

He wasn’t ever going to win anyway.

286 darthstar  Apr 12, 2015 7:22:36am

re: #279 Dark_Falcon

In this case, standing up to Dobson was highly likely to get McCain crushed by Obama. And if standing up to someone just means losing, then I personally think truckling under is the smart play.

I’ll let you in on a little secret…

Click to Reveal

Obama crushed him anyway

287 Romantic Heretic  Apr 12, 2015 7:22:37am

re: #246 HappyWarrior

I think Goren(his character on LO:CI) was possibly Asperger’s or something like that on the spectrum. Anyhow not a big fan of superhero stuff in general but I did hear this was good and I’ve liked D’Onofrio ever since I saw him as Edgar in Men in Black when I was a kid.

Been a fan of D’Onofrio since his role in Full Metal Jacket.

Been a fan of Goldblum since Buckaroo Banzai.

288 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 12, 2015 7:23:15am

re: #279 Dark_Falcon

In this case, standing up to Dobson was highly likely to get McCain crushed by Obama. And if standing up to someone just means losing, then I personally think truckling under is the smart play.

Um, he did get crushed by Obama even with Dobson’s help. Karma is a bitch, man.

289 Justanotherhuman  Apr 12, 2015 7:27:23am

BBL. Park time.

290 HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2015 7:27:48am

re: #281 Dr Lizardo

On the other hand, if McCain had stuck to his guns, got Lieberman as his VP pick, and then gone on to victory (and that’s not outside the realm of possibility, btw) then that would have been the end of the religious right as a political force. Their power would’ve been broken, perhaps irreparably. If they could no longer threaten the GOP with a denial of victory, what would they have? Nothing.

And America would have been better for it.

Where I disagree is the idea that McCain had to choose Palin. It’s being presented to us as if it were Lieberman or Palin and while I don’t recall who else was vetted at the time. I’m sure Palin wasn’t the only one that would have been acceptable to the religious right but as I said, the whole episode really shows why you don’t want McCain running your country and why Obama proved to be the wiser choice. McCain was focused on winning. Obama was focused on running a country. I was definitely leaning Obama’s way that summer but when McCain chose someone who not only unqualified for the job but a bitter ideological extremist, Barack Obama became an easy vote and McCain went from someone who I thought while I had differences of opinion with but a respect for to someone I completely lost respect for.

291 Decatur Deb  Apr 12, 2015 7:28:32am

re: #228 Nyet

New Pope, same as the old Pope.

Vatican, France in showdown over gay ambassador

Despite the fancy hats, Popes have a fairly narrow operating range.

292 darthstar  Apr 12, 2015 7:28:42am

re: #288 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Um, he did get crushed by Obama even with Dobson’s help. Karma is a bitch, man.

This is why I hope the GOP field swears loyalty to Phelps and the Duck Dynasty clan for 2016.

293 darthstar  Apr 12, 2015 7:29:43am
294 darthstar  Apr 12, 2015 7:30:34am
295 Dark_Falcon  Apr 12, 2015 7:32:42am

re: #285 Justanotherhuman

It was a Hobson’s choice for McCain.

He wasn’t ever going to win anyway.

It’s true he ultimately could not have won, but the event that doomed his campaign had not happened yet at the time of the Republican National Convention. It was the collapse of Leeman Brothers that effectively decided the election.

296 HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2015 7:33:04am

Here’s what I think happened regarding Palin. I think McCain was definitely in a tough spot, we all can agree on that but I think McCain and McCain’s advisers saw that Obama was perceived wrongly I may add to have a problem with women after the primary with Hillary. So, he hears about this hot shot young governor from Alaska. And I think he chose Palin without really thinking about it too hard and I think that’s why I have a big problem with McCain. He goes into things and pardon if I may say this crudely but dick first. (Not suggesting that McCain had the hots for Palin by the way) but anyhow I think it shows that McCain’s an impulsive guy. Meanwhile, I think Obama could have chosen a young liberal firebrand to please that part of the base and still won but fortunately I think Obama really wanted the best possible person for the job and I really think that was Biden.

297 darthstar  Apr 12, 2015 7:33:15am
298 darthstar  Apr 12, 2015 7:34:32am

Jeb looks a bit like D’Onofrio…someone needs to let SNL know they should use him.

299 darthstar  Apr 12, 2015 7:35:15am
300 HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2015 7:35:54am

re: #298 darthstar

Jeb looks a bit like D’Onofrio…someone needs to let SNL know they should use him.

He’s got the height for it too. VOD is 6 3.5 and Jeb is 6’4.

301 Belafon  Apr 12, 2015 7:37:54am

re: #299 darthstar

I’m not going to go hunting for it, but I’m assume the policies are:
Iran - we should be bombing.
Cuba - we should have taken it over when we had the chance.

302 stpaulbear  Apr 12, 2015 7:37:58am

re: #295 Dark_Falcon

It’s true he ultimately could not have won, but the event that doomed his campaign had not happened yet at the time of the Republican National Convention. It was the collapse of Leeman Brothers that effectively decided the election.

One of the big reasons that the financial collapse hurt McCain was because it revealed that he didn’t have a clue how to deal with an emergency. All of McCains instincts were political ass-covering, while Obama again looked like the grown-up in the room.

303 BeenHereAwhile  Apr 12, 2015 7:38:57am

re: #30 HappyWarrior

Yeah maybe I’m going too far here, I concede. I guess my point is that the right acted like ZOMG REVEREND WRIGHT but never had a word for people like Pat Robertson, a former GOP presidential candidate no less who flat out said we deserved 9/11.

Pat Robertson’s SCOTUS Death Panel:

[…] Would you join with me and many others in crying out to our Lord to change the Court? If we fast and pray and earnestly seek God’s face, then He will hear our prayer and give us relief.

One justice is 83 years old, another has cancer, and another has a heart condition. Would it not be possible for God to put it in the minds of these three judges that the time has come to retire? With their retirement and the appointment of conservative judges, a massive change in federal jurisprudence can take place […]

patrobertson.com

304 Dark_Falcon  Apr 12, 2015 7:39:04am

re: #302 stpaulbear

How do you figure?

305 darthstar  Apr 12, 2015 7:40:53am

re: #302 stpaulbear

One of the big reasons that the financial collapse hurt McCain was because it revealed that he didn’t have a clue how to deal with an emergency. All of McCains instincts were political ass-covering, while Obama again looked like the grown-up in the room.

He looked like Baghdad Bob - “The financial markets are sound, my friends.”

306 BeachDem  Apr 12, 2015 7:45:43am

re: #253 Dark_Falcon

Nothing wrong with what McCain said, and he doesn’t love Sarah Palin, nor did he in 2008. He just nominated her to satisfy James Dobson.

That makes him even worse, in my eyes. Do something that heinous and dangerous when you don’t even believe in it? I never thought much of McCain, but after the Palin bullshit (which he STILL claims was the right choice) I have nothing but total disdain for the guy. (And he speaks highly of Palin to this day—is he still trying to “satisfy” Dobson?)

307 darthstar  Apr 12, 2015 7:46:57am

Holy shit…Nancy’s still alive?

308 darthstar  Apr 12, 2015 7:49:07am

re: #306 BeachDem

That makes him even worse, in my eyes. Do something that heinous and dangerous when you don’t even believe in it? I never thought much of McCain, but after the Palin bullshit (which he STILL claims was the right choice) I have nothing but total disdain for the guy. (And he speaks highly of Palin to this day—is he still trying to “satisfy” Dobson?)

Religious right buttholes…kiss ‘em if you got ‘em.

309 darthstar  Apr 12, 2015 7:53:10am

Okay…now I see what happened. Obama told McCain to get the fuck out of Kerry’s way.

Barack Obama wants John McCain to leave John Kerry alone.
The president blasted the Arizona senator on Saturday for his recent comments questioning how forthcoming the secretary of state has been about what’s contained in the preliminary nuclear deal with Iran.

During a press conference in Panama City, Obama praised Kerry’s service to the country, noting that he’s a former senator and a Vietnam veteran.
For McCain (R-Ariz.) to imply that Kerry “is somehow less trustworthy in the interpretation of what’s in a political agreement than the supreme leader of Iran, that’s an indication of the degree to which partisanship has crossed all boundaries,” Obama said.

Read more: politico.com

310 stpaulbear  Apr 12, 2015 7:53:10am

re: #304 Dark_Falcon

How do you figure?

Well there was that stunt where McCain cancelled his campaign due to the financial crisis, but when a meeting was set up in late 2008 with Bush, McCain and Obama present, McCain didn’t say a word. He didn’t have anything to offer and was pissed because Obama wanted to dig in.

edit: another very good link WSJ

311 HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2015 7:53:54am

re: #303 BeenHereAwhile

Pat Robertson’s SCOTUS Death Panel:

[…] Would you join with me and many others in crying out to our Lord to change the Court? If we fast and pray and earnestly seek God’s face, then He will hear our prayer and give us relief.

One justice is 83 years old, another has cancer, and another has a heart condition. Would it not be possible for God to put it in the minds of these three judges that the time has come to retire? With their retirement and the appointment of conservative judges, a massive change in federal jurisprudence can take place […]

patrobertson.com

He’s a ghoul and with that I’m out to a Sunday baseball game folks.

312 darthstar  Apr 12, 2015 7:56:25am

Jesus Christ…McCain called Kerry delusional and said he was full of shit about the Iran deal…no wonder Obama had to slap him down.

Dark Falcon, you need to read this shit before you defend that fucker…he’s actively trying to sabotage international relations more than Bibi is. Fucking enemy of the state level shit, this is.

“I think you’re going to find out that they had never agreed to the things that John Kerry claimed that they had,” the senator told radio host Hugh Hewitt. “So in a way, I can’t blame the ayatollah, because I don’t think they ever agreed to it, and I think John Kerry tried to come back and sell a bill of goods, hoping maybe that the Iranians wouldn’t say much about it.”

Read more: politico.com

313 BeachDem  Apr 12, 2015 7:56:51am

re: #279 Dark_Falcon

In this case, standing up to Dobson was highly likely to get McCain crushed by Obama. And if standing up to someone just means losing, then I personally think truckling under is the smart play.

That statement really belies your “death before dishonor” mantra.

314 darthstar  Apr 12, 2015 8:01:45am

re: #313 BeachDem

That statement really belies your “death before dishonor” mantra.

McCain’s motto was “Country First”…that was another lie. Besides, wasn’t this country found on the principles of winning at any cost, even if that meant throwing your principles into the toilet? It’s really astounding…it’s a good thing DF is in sales and not an educator.

315 darthstar  Apr 12, 2015 8:03:53am

Okay…enough ranting about McCain and those who support him regardless of the facts. Time to take the dogs to the beach - damn the sun and the warm temperatures…we’re going anyway!

Then I’m off to pick up some of my wife’s relatives to give them a tour of the California coast - San Francisco to Santa Cruz for lunch and back…should be a lovely drive.

316 Nyet  Apr 12, 2015 8:07:40am

re: #272 Dark_Falcon

It’s like Dr. Lizardo said: McCain wanted Joe Lieberman, who he felt would show outreach and be useful in running the country. James Dobson regarded such a choice as unacceptable and issued John McCain what amounted to an ulimatum: Either nominate nominate an evangelical conservative for VP or Dobson would tell his followers to “go fishing” on election day.

McCain would have had no path to victory had Dobson made good on his threat and had other evangelical leaders followed suit, so he picked someone who they’d accept but who he also hoped would represent outreach by being a woman.

He lost more people by choosing Palin than he gained.

317 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2015 8:10:28am

I hate income tax returns.

Hate them…

318 Nyet  Apr 12, 2015 8:10:33am

re: #307 darthstar

littlegreenfootballs.com

319 ObserverArt  Apr 12, 2015 8:11:25am

Morning. Just a note. Rand Paul is coming up next on Meet The Todd.

I’m tuned in because I want to see how the two jerks fondle each other.

320 retired cynic  Apr 12, 2015 8:11:44am

re: #312 darthstar

Holy Mackerel, McCain got on his horse and couldn’t stop at the edge of the cliff! Good on Obama for calling him out. (I won’t read Politico; first I’ve read that.)

321 Nyet  Apr 12, 2015 8:17:59am

re: #297 darthstar

And by “allies” he means Israel. The relationship with which, if it was damaged, was damaged by Netanyahu, not Obama.

322 ObserverArt  Apr 12, 2015 8:23:13am

re: #272 Dark_Falcon

It’s like Dr. Lizardo said: McCain wanted Joe Lieberman, who he felt would show outreach and be useful in running the country. James Dobson regarded such a choice as unacceptable and issued John McCain what amounted to an ulimatum: Either nominate nominate an evangelical conservative for VP or Dobson would tell his followers to “go fishing” on election day.

McCain would have had no path to victory had Dobson made good on his threat and had other evangelical leaders followed suit, so he picked someone who they’d accept but who he also hoped would represent outreach by being a woman.

You can make all the excuses you can think up, but that is all they are Dark.

You often like to talk about true heroes who show real character.

Everything you just wrote about McCain says just the opposite. He wasn’t strong enough to stand up the the fundies and choose who he wanted. He went the path of least resistance and didn’t seem to really check how useless Palin would be as a running mate and even more as a potential president. A week later when Palin hit the road it was already pretty clear she was a nitwit.

This is why falling for party all the time is dangerous. Real character is doing the right thing. McCain proved he could not and that proved he was not worthy.

And for you, it gives you the opportunity to excuse what he did. Just think of what could have happened if Palin was the Vice President and found her way into the office of President. You would have been responsible for that. How would you have excused it?

323 Nyet  Apr 12, 2015 8:23:46am

OK, Netanyahu should really explain what his plan is. Bombing the facilities? OK, you have, what now? Iran is a pretty advanced nation, they will simply build everything anew.

324 jaunte  Apr 12, 2015 8:28:42am

Commitment.

325 ObserverArt  Apr 12, 2015 8:28:55am

Well, I just learned Rand Paul is a high trust candidate from Hugh Hewitt.

Oh, and Hillary isn’t.

Hahahahahahaaa.

Thankfully I only had to watch the last 15 minutes of Meet The Todd. Ugh.

326 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2015 8:29:46am
327 Targetpractice  Apr 12, 2015 8:33:41am

re: #323 Nyet

OK, Netanyahu should really explain what his plan is. Bombing the facilities? OK, you have, what now? Iran is a pretty advanced nation, they will simply build everything anew.

In the meantime, they will make our lives an utter living hell. Such as locking down the Strait of Hormuz to all shipping, which would send the oil market into a panic. Or ceasing operations against ISIS and pulling back, allowing them the breathing room they need to resume their expansion.

328 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 12, 2015 8:37:18am

At the time, McCain’s choice of Palin convinced me that he had a low regard for women. It looked to me that he took the first one presented to him because he felt that they were all the same.

As for submitting to Dobson’s extortion, did McCain think that Dobson was just going to leave him alone after he knuckled under on the most important choice that he, as a potential president, had to make?

329 Dark_Falcon  Apr 12, 2015 8:37:30am

re: #327 Targetpractice

In the meantime, they will make our lives an utter living hell. Such as locking down the Strait of Hormuz to all shipping, which would send the oil market into a panic. Or ceasing operations against ISIS and pulling back, allowing them the breathing room they need to resume their expansion.

Iran couldn’t shut those straits against the US, to a fairly high degree of probability. We might lose a minesweeper and a destroyer in clearing the straights, but we could do it.

330 stpaulbear  Apr 12, 2015 8:40:28am

re: #329 Dark_Falcon

Iran couldn’t shut those straits against the US, to a fairly high degree of probability. We might lose a minesweeper and a destroyer in clearing the straights, but we could do it.

You’re as bad as Tom Cotton.

331 Great White Snark  Apr 12, 2015 8:44:01am

re: #329 Dark_Falcon

Iran couldn’t shut those straits against the US, to a fairly high degree of probability. We might lose a minesweeper and a destroyer in clearing the straights, but we could do it.

Us and NATO. I don’t think they would do that. I think they would attack Israeli airbases etc with conventional missiles and suicide terror all over the world where Israeli interests or jewish populations exist.

But in any case we are way past the point destroying a facility would stop them. This is a war that simply must be avoided. The first strike would have to be one of the most massive ever to thwart a counter attack. Immense casualties and a non trivial risk of escalation to a place we never want to see.

332 Great White Snark  Apr 12, 2015 8:45:04am

re: #330 stpaulbear

You’re as bad as Tom Cotton.

Not unless he says we should do that.

333 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 12, 2015 8:46:03am

re: #329 Dark_Falcon

Iran couldn’t shut those straits against the US, to a fairly high degree of probability. We might lose a minesweeper and a destroyer in clearing the straights, but we could do it.

Nuts. First, the Straight of Hormuz is a perfect shooting gallery. Second, the tankers that traverse it are insured. Do you have any idea what the cost would be to insure a tanker and its cargo should Iran sink even one of them? That cost would be passed on to end users.

Pentagon report says Iran is fielding anti-ship ballistic missiles

Iran’s Khalij Fars anti-ship ballistic missile (AShBM) - a weapon that could shift the military balance in the Gulf region - is being delivered to operational units, according to the US Department of Defense’s annual report to Congress on the Islamic Republic’s military capabilities.

“Tehran is quietly fielding increasingly lethal symmetric and asymmetric weapon systems, including more advanced naval mines, small but capable submarines, coastal defence cruise missile batteries, attack craft, and anti-ship ballistic missiles,” the report’s declassified executive summary said.

This is the first corroboration of Iranian claims that the AShBM is in service. US officials declined to comment further on the report, which was submitted to Congress in January.

The Khalij Fars is a version of the Fateh-110 tactical ballistic missile with an electro-optical (EO) seeker that enables it to home in on a ship’s infrared signature in its terminal phase. The Iranian media has reported that the missile has the same 300 km range and 650 kg warhead as the more recent versions of the Fateh-110.

Vice Admiral James Syring, the director of the US Missile Defense Agency, submitted a statement to a Congressional subcommittee in June saying: “This ballistic missile has a range of 300 km, which means it is capable of threatening maritime activity throughout the Persian Gulf and Strait of Hormuz.” Vice Adm Syring confirmed the AShBM had been flight tested, but did not comment on whether it was operational.

The Khalij Fars would be harder to intercept than Iran’s conventional anti-ship missiles due to its significantly higher velocity (said to be Mach 3) and parabolic trajectory.

334 Great White Snark  Apr 12, 2015 8:48:54am

re: #329 Dark_Falcon

The US Navy could sail but oil tankers would not risk it. Not for months perhaps.

335 Dark_Falcon  Apr 12, 2015 8:53:53am

re: #330 stpaulbear

You’re as bad as Tom Cotton.

There’s a difference between thinking we can clear the Straits of Hormuz and thinking we can destroy nuclear facilities buried under a mountain.

336 Great White Snark  Apr 12, 2015 8:55:15am

re: #335 Dark_Falcon

I think the big point here is we do not find out how that fight plays out. Can’t overstate the value of not going to war again.

337 Dark_Falcon  Apr 12, 2015 8:57:09am

re: #333 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Nuts. First, the Straight of Hormuz is a perfect shooting gallery. Second, the tankers that traverse it are insured. Do you have any idea what the cost would be to insure a tanker and its cargo should Iran sink even one of them? That cost would be passed on to end users.

Pentagon report says Iran is fielding anti-ship ballistic missiles

I’m not severely concerned about those. They pose a danger, yes, but we’ve got AEGIS and the SM-3 ABM. I feel confident that the USN can handle the threat posed by the Khalij Fars .

338 Nyet  Apr 12, 2015 8:57:59am
Holy crap. This is a thing? Rich people can buy a gun, donate it to the police department, and then get a badge that allows them to hunt black people? Having lots of money is sufficient qualification to get yourself on the police force? And the Sheriff’s Office doesn’t see a problem with this?

freethoughtblogs.com

339 Targetpractice  Apr 12, 2015 8:59:11am

re: #337 Dark_Falcon

I’m not severely concerned about those. They pose a danger, yes, but we’ve got AEGIS and the SM-3 ABM. I feel confident that the USN can handle the threat posed by the Khalij Fars .

You do understand those weapon systems do not exist on commercial tankers, right? Do you want to imagine the cost and complexity of providing every tanker that enters and exits the Strait with an AEGIS escort?

340 Alyosha  Apr 12, 2015 9:02:13am

re: #337 Dark_Falcon

I’m not severely concerned about those. They pose a danger, yes, but we’ve got AEGIS and the SM-3 ABM. I feel confident that the USN can handle the threat posed by the Khalij Fars .

Well, not having to face them oneself does tend to lower one’s concern…

I keep hearing how it could be done rather than if it should.

341 Whack-A-Mole  Apr 12, 2015 9:10:33am

I just finished my “Daredevil” binge so I’m catching up on this thread late but, following up on the Vincent D’Onofrio discussion earlier, I think Marvel/Netflix hit it out of the park with this show.

In my opinion, the success of a superhero movie/show rides far more on the shoulders of the villain rather than the hero. While a strong antagonist is important for almost every story, I think it’s doubly true for superheroes; an entertaining, interesting, and engaging villain is vital to keep the story afloat during the bulk of the film when the powers aren’t being used and the action spectacle isn’t there to distract you from the basic silliness of the story. I don’t think “The Avengers” wouldn’t have been anywhere near as entertaining without Hiddleston’s gleeful malevolence as Loki during the action lulls and “The Dark Knight” would have a far lesser film without Ledger’s anarchic Joker.

I think D’Onofrio carries that burden with ease. He’s always been a very talented actor and he really brought a level of pathos to the character that I didn’t expect. He was definitely supported by some good writing, but his performance carries the show. The stilted speech, the fear and uncertainty and longing in his face when dealing with Vanessa, all the little things he brought to the role really elevated the character to, in my opinion, the star of the show. I wanted more screen time with him and would happily have given up action spectacle for it. And to be willing to give up the action and adventure in a superhero show, one that I come to for the action and adventure, tells me just how good he was in the role.

342 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 12, 2015 9:11:10am

re: #337 Dark_Falcon

I’m not severely concerned about those. They pose a danger, yes, but we’ve got AEGIS and the SM-3 ABM. I feel confident that the USN can handle the threat posed by the Khalij Fars .

Again, nuts. Iran has been manufacturing anti-ship missiles for years. Our high-tech defenses can be swamped by salvos of relatively cheap weapons. Iran has had plenty of time to study our war making and our capabilities. Its military planners are not stupid and they are not going to fight us the way we want them to. If your vessel is deaf, dumb and blind after a saturation strike by anti-ship missiles a boarding party of Iranian commandos will ruin your whole day.
In the end, no, Iran can’t win. All it can do is throw a fuck into us that will take years to get over. So far, we’ve found out that overthrowing stable but odious ME governments just opens the doors to the real assholes. Do we really want to find out what happens when we overthrow the government of Iran?

343 Great White Snark  Apr 12, 2015 9:11:57am

re: #338 Nyet

freethoughtblogs.com

The article distorts the reality. Pretty much anyone without a record can be a reserve officer. Lots of those are experts and donate skills in evidence or forensics or tech. Others go on patrol, but only after training. Ordinarily the same gun tests musts be passed to carry one. Ditto with the taser or stick. Maybe some small towns play fast and loose but not around LA County. I looked at the Sylmar PD program, almost joined but I lacked the time for training/certification and patrol and my regular job.

344 Dark_Falcon  Apr 12, 2015 9:15:39am

re: #340 Alyosha

Well, not having to face them oneself does tend to lower one’s concern…

I keep hearing how it could be done rather than if it should.

Glad to hear you made the distinction. Because I’ve only been saying we what we can do. I’m opposed to Obama proposed agreement (which I expect is going to fail due to Iranian insistence on an immediate removal of sanctions that Obama cannot deliver on), but that doesn’t mean i want a naval war with Iran.

345 Targetpractice  Apr 12, 2015 9:17:06am

re: #344 Dark_Falcon

Glad to hear you made the distinction. Because I’ve only been saying we what we can do. I’m opposed to Obama proposed agreement (which I expect is going to fail due to Iranian insistence on an immediate removal of sanctions that Obama cannot deliver on), but that doesn’t mean i want a naval war with Iran.

What part of the agreement do you oppose? And why?

346 Nyet  Apr 12, 2015 9:18:30am

re: #343 Great White Snark

Point taken.

347 Alyosha  Apr 12, 2015 9:22:02am

re: #344 Dark_Falcon

Glad to hear you made the distinction. Because I’ve only been saying we what we can do. I’m opposed to Obama proposed agreement (which I expect is going to fail due to Iranian insistence on an immediate removal of sanctions that Obama cannot deliver on), but that doesn’t mean i want a naval war with Iran.

You’re opposed to the framework which would effectively kill the Iranian bomb dead, because Iran wants sanctions removed ASAP…

Did I hear that correctly?

Assume the Iranians can be talked around by June. What happens to your objection then?

You specify an aversion to a naval war but pointedly leave an opening for an aerial assault which could never prevail and which would quickly become, whether you like it or not, a naval conflict too.

348 Dark_Falcon  Apr 12, 2015 9:25:35am

re: #347 Alyosha

You’re opposed to the framework which would effectively kill the Iranian bomb dead, because Iran wants sanctions removed ASAP…

Did I hear that correctly?

Assume the Iranians can be talked around by June. What happens to your objection then?

You specify an aversion to a naval war but pointedly leave an opening for an aerial assault which could never prevail and which would quickly become, whether you like it or not, a naval conflict too.

Actually, I thought I’d made clear I didn’t favor a bombing campaign:

re: #335 Dark_Falcon

There’s a difference between thinking we can clear the Straits of Hormuz and thinking we can destroy nuclear facilities buried under a mountain.

349 Fineday  Apr 12, 2015 9:28:01am

re: #293 darthstar

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In Germany, a 65 year old (you read that right) mother of 13 children has just announced that she is pregnant with quadruplets through artificial insemination.

Poor kids!

350 Alyosha  Apr 12, 2015 9:29:37am

re: #348 Dark_Falcon

Fair enough.

I am eager to hear what it is you oppose in the framework of the deal, though.

352 Justanotherhuman  Apr 12, 2015 9:38:46am

Bwahahaha! So this appears to be the GOP game plan…

RNC chairman on ‘Face the Nation’: Americans ‘can’t trust’ Hillary Clinton - @thehill
read more on thehill.com

Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky.: I’d treat Hillary Clinton the same as I’d ‘treat a man’ - @politico
read more on politico.com

Psssst! Rand Paul, she can take it; after all, she’s a hell of a lot more intelligent and competent than you could ever dream of being.

353 Nyet  Apr 12, 2015 9:39:42am

re: #351 Nyet

Translation: “it should be a white male, as it always was”.

354 Justanotherhuman  Apr 12, 2015 9:39:50am

re: #351 Nyet

Not even a whistle.

NRA’s Wayne LaPierre On Clinton And Obama: “Eight Years Of One Demographically Symbolic President Is Enough”

So whites aren’t a “demographic”?

Jesus, the Rs come up empty-handed every. single. time.

355 Dr Lizardo  Apr 12, 2015 9:43:17am

re: #351 Nyet

Not even a whistle.

NRA’s Wayne LaPierre On Clinton And Obama: “Eight Years Of One Demographically Symbolic President Is Enough”

In other words, Wayne LaPierre says, “Eight years of a n***** as president is enough”

356 Justanotherhuman  Apr 12, 2015 9:44:37am

Former NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly says Walter Scott shooting has changed his views on police wearing body cameras - @ThisWeekABC
read more on twimg.com

357 Justanotherhuman  Apr 12, 2015 9:45:38am

re: #355 Dr Lizardo

LaPierre is a POS.

But I repeat myself.

358 Nyet  Apr 12, 2015 9:48:22am

Racism and sexism in one comment. Congrats, Pierrot.

359 Targetpractice  Apr 12, 2015 9:49:17am

re: #356 Justanotherhuman

Former NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly says Walter Scott shooting has changed his views on police wearing body cameras - @ThisWeekABC
read more on twimg.com

Thing is, I’m curious if a body cam would have made much difference in the Scott case in the absence of the witness video.

360 Dark_Falcon  Apr 12, 2015 9:50:44am

re: #342 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Again, nuts. Iran has been manufacturing anti-ship missiles for years. Our high-tech defenses can be swamped by salvos of relatively cheap weapons. Iran has had plenty of time to study our war making and our capabilities. Its military planners are not stupid and they are not going to fight us the way we want them to. If your vessel is deaf, dumb and blind after a saturation strike by anti-ship missiles a boarding party of Iranian commandos will ruin your whole day.
In the end, no, Iran can’t win. All it can do is throw a fuck into us that will take years to get over. So far, we’ve found out that overthrowing stable but odious ME governments just opens the doors to the real assholes. Do we really want to find out what happens when we overthrow the government of Iran?

First point: Multiple anti-ship missile strikes don’t leave a destroyer or cruise “deaf, dumb, and blind”, they sink it. But that’s less likely than you think because.

Second Point: Our defense are designed to handle large salvos of missiles. Large-scale missile combat was the whole reason for designing the AEGIS system. Given it won’t just be one AEGIS ship, I think we can fare decently against a missile storm.

Third (subsidiary) Point; Not only are our defenses excellent, but they’ll get even better next year.

Fourth Point: No matter how many missiles Iran can fire, they’ll find it hard to find ships after our Tomahawks turn their battery’s search and initial guidance radar into scrap metal.

I don’t want to fight Iran, but on the water at least, it’s a fight the USN can and will win.

361 Charles Johnson  Apr 12, 2015 9:52:24am

re: #307 darthstar

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Holy shit…Nancy’s still alive?

Uh…

littlegreenfootballs.com

362 Justanotherhuman  Apr 12, 2015 9:52:47am

New York City Mayor and former Hillary Clinton campaign staffer Bill de Blasio holds off on endorsing her - @CNN
read more on cnn.com

363 Dark_Falcon  Apr 12, 2015 9:55:37am

re: #362 Justanotherhuman

New York City Mayor and former Hillary Clinton campaign staffer Bill de Blasio holds off on endorsing her - @CNN
read more on cnn.com

That just comes across as clickbait, with CNN chumming the waters with bloody minor details and hoping to draw in specimens of the majestic Hillary Hater Shark.

My own take is that CNN’s gonna need a bigger boat. ;)

364 ObserverArt  Apr 12, 2015 9:55:38am

re: #352 Justanotherhuman

Bwahahaha! So this appears to be the GOP game plan…

RNC chairman on ‘Face the Nation’: Americans ‘can’t trust’ Hillary Clinton - @thehill
read more on thehill.com

Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky.: I’d treat Hillary Clinton the same as I’d ‘treat a man’ - @politico
read more on politico.com

Psssst! Rand Paul, she can take it; after all, she’s a hell of a lot more intelligent and competent than you could ever dream of being.

Ahhh. So, the “can’t trust Hillary” is going to be the main theme the GOP will use. That is why idiot Hugh Hewitt parroted the same words on Meet The Todd this morning.

Easy turn on that. “If you can’t trust Hillary, then you certainly can’t trust a Republican by comparison.”

And then you mention wars, economy, education, climate, infrastructure, health care, etc. and how the last few Republicans have caused many problems for the country and gutted the middle class.

Then you say “Do you trust a Republican based on these facts? Do you trust a Republican telling you who to trust? Over two-thirds of the voting public does not!”

365 Justanotherhuman  Apr 12, 2015 10:01:46am

Who is this monster? IMHO, no man (or woman) is worth the life of your child.

cnn.com

Just fucking incredible.

366 Nyet  Apr 12, 2015 10:09:14am

re: #365 Justanotherhuman

If I weren’t against torture, I’d recommend doing to her what she did to the child.

367 BeachDem  Apr 12, 2015 10:09:21am

re: #352 Justanotherhuman

Bwahahaha! So this appears to be the GOP game plan…

RNC chairman on ‘Face the Nation’: Americans ‘can’t trust’ Hillary Clinton - @thehill
read more on thehill.com

Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky.: I’d treat Hillary Clinton the same as I’d ‘treat a man’ - @politico
read more on politico.com

Psssst! Rand Paul, she can take it; after all, she’s a hell of a lot more intelligent and competent than you could ever dream of being.

And if Chuck Todd were any more transparent in his approach to 2016 talking points for Republicans, you could see the wall behind him.

368 ObserverArt  Apr 12, 2015 10:15:27am

re: #367 BeachDem

And if Chuck Todd were any more transparent in his approach to 2016 talking points for Republicans, you could see the wall behind him.

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Disgusting. I can’t remember seeing legit journalists in pictures with their arm wrapped around a candidate…someone they are supposed to cover and tell the people the facts. And looking proud to do it.

Oh wait…that isn’t Chuck’s job.

369 Targetpractice  Apr 12, 2015 10:18:13am

re: #364 ObserverArt

Ahhh. So, the “can’t trust Hillary” is going to be the main theme the GOP will use. That is why idiot Hugh Hewitt parroted the same words on Meet The Todd this morning.

Easy turn on that. “If you can’t trust Hillary, then you certainly can’t trust a Republican by comparison.”

And then you mention wars, economy, education, climate, infrastructure, health care, etc. and how the last few Republicans have caused many problems for the country and gutted the middle class.

Then you say “Do you trust a Republican based on these facts? Do you trust a Republican telling you who to trust? Over two-thirds of the voting public does not!”

I can’t for the life of me think of a Republican candidate who wouldn’t provide a great counterpoint to such a strategy.

Bush? Between the email server he used, the millions of emails he continues to keep hidden, and his questionable business connections, the man is not the paragon of honesty he tried to portray himself as.

Walker? Oh, where to begin…

Paul? How can you trust a guy who can’t seem to stick to the same talking point for more than a day?

Cruz? The guy who continues to insist the government shutdown was the President’s fault because he wouldn’t give into Republican demands?

If their only avenue of attack is to go after her trustworthiness, then it’s gonna be a very long election season for them.

370 Great White Snark  Apr 12, 2015 10:18:14am

re: #351 Nyet

Not even a whistle.

NRA’s Wayne LaPierre On Clinton And Obama: “Eight Years Of One Demographically Symbolic President Is Enough”

That guy has done more damage to the NRA than he even thinks Obama has done to gun owners or the country.

371 Mattand  Apr 12, 2015 10:20:32am

re: #368 ObserverArt

Disgusting. I can’t remember seeing legit journalists in pictures with their arm wrapped around a candidate…someone they are supposed to cover and tell the people the facts. And looking proud to do it.

Oh wait…that isn’t Chuck’s job.

It always drive me nuts when Rachel Maddow gets all excited to have Todd on her show. As I’ve said before, the guy always feels like he treats every current job as a demo reel for a Fox News position.

372 Great White Snark  Apr 12, 2015 10:25:42am

Question for the democrats-Would you expect Hilary Clinton to run on significant moves to the left policy wise, get us out of the drone biz close Gitmo etc? Cut the military, eschew corporate ties?

Or run on a steady hand platform? Lets stipulate she owns foreign policy. And womens rights issues. Great. but what about domestic matters like the economy? Much different than the 2008 pitch?

373 Justanotherhuman  Apr 12, 2015 10:27:00am

‘Fuck Your Breath’ — Video Shows Cop Mocking Unarmed Man As He Dies From Police Bullet

thinkprogress.org

374 Justanotherhuman  Apr 12, 2015 10:29:11am

That was disgusting and shows the hatred some cops have for a certain segment of society.

I don’t care if the perp was a scumbag criminal, the cops weren’t supposed to be his executioner.

375 Mattand  Apr 12, 2015 10:30:19am

re: #372 Great White Snark

Question for the democrats-Would you expect Hilary Clinton to run on significant moves to the left policy wise, get us out of the drone biz close Gitmo etc? Cut the military, eschew corporate ties?

Or run on a steady hand platform? Lets stipulate she owns foreign policy. And womens rights issues. Great. but what about domestic matters like the economy? Much different than the 2008 pitch?

I doubt she’s going to move the left that much, for fear of upsetting the oh-so-precious and wise independents, who tend to shit their pants at anything that seems ‘liberal’.

IIRC, she pretty much was like “Fuck it, let W go bomb Iraq” like most ‘liberal’ senators in 2003. I can’t see her changing that strategy much.

376 Justanotherhuman  Apr 12, 2015 10:31:12am

So, Bates, the reserve deputy, bought his position and thought it gave him certain privileges even if he was little qualified for the job?

“An unusual twist in this story is that Bates, the reserve deputy who shot Harris, is not a full-time officer. He is a 73-year-old insurance executive and a wealthy donor to the sheriff’s department. The department includes 130 reserve deputies who are volunteers who donate their time to law enforcement. Bates is classified as “advanced reserve,” the highest level of reserve deputy, a position that permits him to “do anything a full-time deputy can do.”

377 Targetpractice  Apr 12, 2015 10:31:14am

re: #372 Great White Snark

Question for the democrats-Would you expect Hilary Clinton to run on significant moves to the left policy wise, get us out of the drone biz close Gitmo etc? Cut the military, eschew corporate ties?

Or run on a steady hand platform? Lets stipulate she owns foreign policy. And womens rights issues. Great. but what about domestic matters like the economy? Much different than the 2008 pitch?

I suppose it depends on what exactly one is looking for in a “steady hand.” A minimum wage increase? Tax reform weighted towards making the rich pay their fair share? Spending to address the very real problems that exist within our national infrastructure?

I know there’s an effort to portray Democrats like Warren as being some far-left loony, but most of what she’s talking about is shit we have all talked about at one time or another. I’ve heard conservatives and liberals alike remark that one of the biggest post-recession mistakes was not to hold the banks accountable for their actions.

378 allegro  Apr 12, 2015 10:31:16am

re: #372 Great White Snark

Question for the democrats-Would you expect Hilary Clinton to run on significant moves to the left policy wise, get us out of the drone biz close Gitmo etc? Cut the military, eschew corporate ties?

Or run on a steady hand platform? Lets stipulate she owns foreign policy. And womens rights issues. Great. but what about domestic matters like the economy? Much different than the 2008 pitch?

I think we need for her to make a current pitch on the economy to find out. Whatever her current plans, that they will be vastly superior to anything the Republican candidate proposes is a given.

379 GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 12, 2015 10:33:14am

re: #370 Great White Snark

National Racists Association.

380 Charles Johnson  Apr 12, 2015 10:34:12am

re: #192 D.S.K.

This is not actually Romita’s first marvel comic work (The Avengers #23 bears that honor). His first Marvel character was Captain America, done back in 1953 when the company was known as Atlas Comics.
Daredevil did feature some great work by him though, and the new series is off to a fantastic start.

Well, actually - that’s why I wrote “the first Marvel comic drawn by John Romita.” Romita inked Avengers #23, which means he basically traced over the pencil drawings of the illustrator - who was Don Heck. This issue of Daredevil was the first Marvel comic in which Romita actually did both the pencilling (the real drawing) and the inking.

By the way, Avengers #23 is in our collection too.

381 Mattand  Apr 12, 2015 10:34:59am

re: #377 Targetpractice

I suppose it depends on what exactly one is looking for in a “steady hand.” A minimum wage increase? Tax reform weighted towards making the rich pay their fair share? Spending to address the very real problems that exist within our national infrastructure?

I know there’s an effort to portray Democrats like Warren as being some far-left loony, but most of what she’s talking about is shit we have all talked about at one time or another. I’ve heard conservatives and liberals alike remark that one of the biggest post-recession mistakes was not to hold the banks accountable for their actions.

If Americans in general voted rationally, this would be a no-brainer.

Anecdotal, but most of the voters I’m related to or know tend to get quickly worked up over stuff like this. The running theme is usually along the lines of worrying about those people getting stuff for free.

382 Great White Snark  Apr 12, 2015 10:35:21am

re: #375 Mattand

Good point about the indys. But we must admit thats a natural outcome of the fact the GOP pissed off so many more people than the democratic party did. What else would you expect, kinda.

And the far left seems to not be playing ball with moderate democrats in elections. Maybe that changes for the better in a presidential election.

Advocates shape elections, moderates win them.

383 Great White Snark  Apr 12, 2015 10:36:37am

re: #377 Targetpractice

What I mean by steady hand is a largely stable continuation of Obama admin policies. Economy, immigration, GWOT.

384 Targetpractice  Apr 12, 2015 10:41:40am

re: #383 Great White Snark

What I mean by steady hand is a largely stable continuation of Obama admin policies. Economy, immigration, GWOT.

I’d argue that what people want is a president who’s prepared to champion those things that this administration either hasn’t or can’t. That if she runs on such a “steady hand” platform, Republicans will have an easier time portraying her as a continuation of the Obama presidency. And it will help the far-left, who I understand you don’t approve, of, argue that she’s just “more of the same,” as they (rightly or wrongly) portray the man as a continuation of Bush.

385 Mattand  Apr 12, 2015 10:43:49am

re: #382 Great White Snark

Good point about the indys. But we must admit thats a natural outcome of the fact the GOP pissed off so many more people than the democratic party did. What else would you expect, kinda.

Again anecdotal, but I do not see this reaction to Republican actions in my little corner of the planet. At best, the reaction is either “Well, not all Republicans are like that”, or appeals to the Magic Balance Fairy; aka the Dems are just as bad.

Any time I point out some of the truly atrocious actions the GOP has pulled (the letter to Iran, for example), people get mad at me for ‘making a mountain out of a mole hill’.

Of course, maybe being in NJ has a lot to do with it. The 3rd politician I’ve voted in the last 10 years is now under indictment for something. I also know teachers who support Christie, despite the fact he’s pretty much open about the fact he wants to fuck them over.

I’m also in a shitty mood because I’m starting to see people trying to portray the North Charleston shooting as “Now, now, let’s not make a big deal out of this”. Maybe I should just go ride my bike.

386 BeachDem  Apr 12, 2015 11:01:23am

re: #382 Great White Snark

Good point about the indys. But we must admit thats a natural outcome of the fact the GOP pissed off so many more people than the democratic party did. What else would you expect, kinda.

And the far left seems to not be playing ball with moderate democrats in elections. Maybe that changes for the better in a presidential election.

Advocates shape elections, moderates win them.

And while the right clings to the “we lost because our candidate wasn’t a TRUE CONSERVATIVE” line, the left has to admit “we won because our candidate wasn’t a TRUE LIBERAL.”

I was just reading some of the kos comments—they still think Warren is going to jump into the race this summer. How many times and ways does she have to say no before they’ll believe her?

387 Great White Snark  Apr 12, 2015 11:13:18am

re: #384 Targetpractice

Well one possible play is go big on the economy, get overtime back for managers, maybe finally update then attach the minimum wage to consumer inflation. Go big on womens rights.

388 Targetpractice  Apr 12, 2015 11:16:48am

re: #387 Great White Snark

Well one possible play is go big on the economy, get overtime back for managers, maybe finally update then attach the minimum wage to consumer inflation. Go big on womens rights.

A good start. But I would suggest that Hillary think bigger, perhaps stealing from Warren’s playbook if necessary. Hell, champion her as a major force in the Senate for good. Don’t shy away from her because there are those who try to portray her as “far-left,” instead embrace her as the advocate for those changes that need to happen.

389 Great White Snark  Apr 12, 2015 11:21:51am

Force for good? See Sec State record. big plus there too. I hope she goes big on the economy, really big. Someone has got to step up for the middle class on a scale of appeal like when we came out of that other big recession in the eighties.

390 allegro  Apr 12, 2015 11:22:08am

re: #388 Targetpractice

A good start. But I would suggest that Hillary think bigger, perhaps stealing from Warren’s playbook if necessary. Hell, champion her as a major force in the Senate for good. Don’t shy away from her because there are those who try to portray her as “far-left,” instead embrace her as the advocate for those changes that need to happen.

That is what I’ve been thinking and hoping for, that she enthusiastically embrace Warren’s advocacy of dealing seriously with the big banks, income inequality, student loan reform, etc. I would love to see Warren on the campaign trail for Hillary (assuming she’s the Dem candidate) and believe she would be a tremendous asset. She is as good and entertaining as Bill is at explaining policy issues.

391 Great White Snark  Apr 12, 2015 11:27:34am

Since Hilary herself is not an economic expert, watch who she taps for advisers on the economy. Paul Krugman?

392 Targetpractice  Apr 12, 2015 11:27:39am

re: #389 Great White Snark

Force for good? See Sec State record. big plus there too. I hope she goes big on the economy, really big. Someone has got to step up for the middle class on a scale of appeal like when we came out of that other big recession in the eighties.

Agreed, we need her to promote the sort of common good that Bill did during the 90s. Ignore the lies about how higher taxes will lead to economic slumps, how a higher minimum wage will hurt employers, and that deregulation will lead to a booming economy.

393 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 12, 2015 11:28:47am

re: #391 Great White Snark

Since Hilary herself is not an economic expert, watch who she taps for advisers on the economy. Paul Krugman?

He’s smart enough to do it right which means he’s also smart enough to run like hell the other way rather than get caught up in the firestorm.

394 allegro  Apr 12, 2015 11:29:45am

re: #392 Targetpractice

Agreed, we need her to promote the sort of common good that Bill did during the 90s. Ignore the lies about how higher taxes will lead to economic slumps, how a higher minimum wage will hurt employers, and that deregulation will lead to a booming economy.

I’d prefer to see those lies tackled dead on, debunked and thoroughly mocked rather than ignored.

395 Great White Snark  Apr 12, 2015 11:30:33am

re: #392 Targetpractice

Oh and paying CEO via stock options instead of real money has got to be trimmed back to that place where its original intent is the thing. So small cap companies can get big talent. Not so execs can dodge income tax.

396 Great White Snark  Apr 12, 2015 11:32:05am

re: #394 allegro

The best way to exploit the lack of a credible primary fight is go big early and stick to it. Coherent from now till November ‘16. By big I mean policy not ads and not vague.

397 Justanotherhuman  Apr 12, 2015 11:33:14am
398 bratwurst  Apr 12, 2015 11:33:59am

The next thing that impresses me about a Hillary presidential campaign will be the first ever.

Certainly her biggest selling point is destined to be a chance to vote against the eventual GOP nominee. Yes, I would like to see more daylight between her and Jeb on some issues…but there is no doubt I will like her judicial nominees a lot better than his, especially after he has to curry favor with the lunatic fringe.

I know I will be able to vote for Hillary with a clear conscience.

399 Great White Snark  Apr 12, 2015 11:34:14am

re: #392 Targetpractice

Bill had the boom to lean on. Hilary won’t have anything like that. way tougher climate to do the job

400 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 12, 2015 11:34:31am

re: #392 Targetpractice

Agreed, we need her to promote the sort of common good that Bill did during the 90s. Ignore the lies about how higher taxes will lead to economic slumps, how a higher minimum wage will hurt employers, and that deregulation will lead to a booming economy.

Yet … we need to remember that significant deregulation and dismantling of the safety net happened during the Clinton administration. Welfare ceased to exist in Wisconsin to be replaced by “Wisconsin Works” which basically means you must work for what ever hellish minimum wage exploiter comes along. That was part and parcel of his “trianglization” as were other rather conservative economic policies.

Just because someone is socially centrist (passes for leftist in America) doesn’t mean they aren’t’ doing real damage. Only that the damage done by some is less than would be done by others.

I really am not thrilled to be looking at the choice of a fascist or a blue dog.

401 allegro  Apr 12, 2015 11:34:58am

re: #396 Great White Snark

The best way to exploit the lack of a credible primary fight is go big early and stick to it. Coherent from now till November ‘16.

Agreed. The lack of a primary fight can be advantageous if used to fight Republican derp for a year while building a strong team and brand.

402 Justanotherhuman  Apr 12, 2015 11:38:05am

I don’t doubt Hillary will be leaned on by the left and I doubt there is anyone out there who can overtake her on the Dem side..

But the alternative is too fucking frightening to think about.

403 Justanotherhuman  Apr 12, 2015 11:40:49am

‘Game of Thrones’ episodes leak early online, HBO says - @NBCNews
read more on nbcnews.com

The first four episodes of “Game of Thrones” season five cropped up on on piracy networks late Saturday — nearly a full day before HBO’s scheduled April 12 premiere of the popular fantasy series.

“Sadly, it seems the leaked four episodes of the upcoming season of Game of Thrones originated from within a group approved by HBO to receive them,” said HBO in a statement. “We’re actively assessing how this breach occurred.”

The episodes appeared on torrent sites sometime between 9 and 10 p.m. ET Saturday. Through 7 a.m. Sunday, the leaked “Game of Thrones” eps had been downloaded by more than 550,000 individual clients worldwide, according to piracy-tracking firm Excipio — and by 9 a.m., the figure was up to 778,985. The pirated “GoT” episodes are legitimate copies, Excipio said; the source of the leak is unclear at this point but some outlets have speculated that it came from a press screener. More

404 Varek Raith  Apr 12, 2015 11:41:47am

re: #403 Justanotherhuman

‘Game of Thrones’ episodes leak early online, HBO says - @NBCNews
read more on nbcnews.com

The first four episodes of “Game of Thrones” season five cropped up on on piracy networks late Saturday — nearly a full day before HBO’s scheduled April 12 premiere of the popular fantasy series.

“Sadly, it seems the leaked four episodes of the upcoming season of Game of Thrones originated from within a group approved by HBO to receive them,” said HBO in a statement. “We’re actively assessing how this breach occurred.”

The episodes appeared on torrent sites sometime between 9 and 10 p.m. ET Saturday. Through 7 a.m. Sunday, the leaked “Game of Thrones” eps had been downloaded by more than 550,000 individual clients worldwide, according to piracy-tracking firm Excipio — and by 9 a.m., the figure was up to 778,985. The pirated “GoT” episodes are legitimate copies, Excipio said; the source of the leak is unclear at this point but some outlets have speculated that it came from a press screener. More

Yaarg!

405 allegro  Apr 12, 2015 11:42:32am

My vote for Hillary’s VP running mate is Julian Castro. He’s got the youth, talent and charisma to speak to the future and be a terrific balance for her age and experience.

406 Archangelus  Apr 12, 2015 12:21:41pm

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