New Study: Nearly 9% of Americans Are Angry and Impulsive, and They Own Lots of Guns

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I’ve been arguing for a while that the gun lobby’s focus on mental illness as a primary cause of gun violence is nothing more than a diversion from the real issue — the appalling prevalence of guns in the United States, where there are more than 290 million guns in the hands of private citizens.

A new study by researchers from Duke, Harvard and Columbia Universities lends even more weight to my argument, and reveals another disturbing wrinkle: many of those who own six or more guns have serious anger management issues.

Tread lightly, Americans: Nearly 9% of people in the United States have outbursts of anger, break or smash things, or get into physical fights — and have access to a firearm, a new study says. What’s more, 1.5% of people who have these anger issues carry their guns outside the home.

The findings, published Wednesday in the journal Behavioral Sciences and the Law, suggest that measures to reduce gun injuries and deaths should focus less on diagnosed mental illness and more on a history of violent behavior.

The new research also indicates that the 310 million firearms estimated to be in private hands in the United States are disproportionately owned by people who are prone to angry, impulsive behavior and have a potentially dangerous habit of keeping their guns close at hand. That’s because people owning six or more guns were more likely to fall into both of these categories than people who owned a single gun.

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Fewer than one in 10 of those angry people with access to guns had ever been admitted to a hospital for a psychiatric or substance abuse problem, the study found.

Their behavioral history might suggest a propensity for violence, according to the study. But nothing in their medical histories would bar them from legally purchasing guns under existing mental health related restrictions.

“Gun violence and serious mental illness are two very important but distinct public health issues that intersect only at their edges,” said study leader Jeffrey Swanson, a professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at Duke University School of Medicine.

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267 comments
1 HappyWarrior  Apr 13, 2015 2:04:16pm

The result of years and years of fear propaganad courtesy of the NRA.

2 GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 13, 2015 2:10:43pm

Damn. I only own 5 and I’m happy (for many other reasons).

3 Kid A  Apr 13, 2015 2:12:28pm

NRA, the merchants of death.

4 stpaulbear  Apr 13, 2015 2:12:28pm

re: #2 GlutenFreeJesus

Damn. I only own 5 and I’m happy (for many other reasons).

Buy one more and you’ll go nuts.

5 Nyet  Apr 13, 2015 2:20:57pm

LGF and some other liberal sites have taught me that one can be an eminently reasonable gun enthusiast. But something must be done about the 9%.

6 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 13, 2015 2:26:54pm

re: #2 GlutenFreeJesus

Damn. I only own 5 and I’m happy (for many other reasons).

I’m currently at 6 because I had to sell a few to meet bills over the winter. :(

The best loss though was the one I sold to fund my telecaster though. :)

I suppose punk/surf guitar means I’m angry too?

7 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 13, 2015 2:27:19pm

Vine here.

8 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 13, 2015 2:30:38pm

THESE ARE ALL BRISTOL’S FRIENDS==>

9 #FergusonFireside  Apr 13, 2015 2:31:56pm

And surprise surprise, the Tulsa police are lying about Eric Harris’ killing.

10 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 13, 2015 2:32:48pm
11 Justanotherhuman  Apr 13, 2015 2:33:12pm

Some with that kind of anger work in LE…

The Tulsa County D.A. is expected to announce charges against a reserve deputy in the death of a suspect. The killing was captured on a Tulsa another deputy’s bodycam.

nbcnews.com

It appears this feed has been lost for the time being.

You can scroll down and read this case of LE rage, though.

Horse-Riding California Beating Victim Says He Was in Cuffs the Whole Time

12 ObserverArt  Apr 13, 2015 2:33:15pm

I recently posted this in the last thread. It actually goes to this newer thread.

Be sure to listen to the alderman they interview toward the end of the video.

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re: #172 ObserverArt

Sorry if this was already posted…did not see it, but I did a quick check through today’s threads.

More American Gun Violence.

NBC News - Double-Fatal Shooting Follows Deadly Crash in Milwaukee, Wisconsin

Guns in everyone’s hands…cops take law into their own hands…why not citizens (or parents/relatives).

Welcome to the United State of Guns in America.

13 wrenchwench  Apr 13, 2015 2:34:53pm

re: #5 Nyet

LGF and some other liberal sites have taught me that one can be an eminently reasonable gun enthusiast. But something must be done about the 9%.

And a certain percentage of owners of automobiles, yet to be determined.

14 Nyet  Apr 13, 2015 2:34:58pm

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He means 50 CE, when he was still young?

15 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 13, 2015 2:35:03pm

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

Pat Robertson says, without a hint of irony, that Hillary Clinton will “take us back to the ’50s”

seriously i dont have clue one as to why pat robertson would have any objection to anything at all about the way america was in the 50s

did he say?

16 #FergusonFireside  Apr 13, 2015 2:35:29pm
17 thedopefishlives  Apr 13, 2015 2:35:48pm

Hmm. Looks like I’m behind the bell curve here. I need more guns and more angry. I guess that’s the problem when you marry a beautiful woman who makes you happy, and not some angry shrew or a timid “pure Christian bride”.

Evening Lizardim.

18 HappyWarrior  Apr 13, 2015 2:36:36pm

re: #8 Lord Of The Pies

THESE ARE ALL BRISTOL’S FRIENDS==>

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Yeah I don’t think Hillary would condone anyone on her staff doing that. Are those actually Bristol’s friends?

19 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 13, 2015 2:36:46pm

re: #13 wrenchwench

And a certain percentage of owners of automobiles, yet to be determined.

We were in SF this weekend (for the Alcatraz thing) and kept hearing lots of sirens on Friday night.

It turns out a pedestrian was killed in a crosswalk near where we were staying after being hit by a car driven by several suspects in three armed robberies (still at large at this point). :(

20 allegro  Apr 13, 2015 2:36:47pm

re: #15 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

seriously i dont have clue one as to why pat robertson would have any objection to anything at all about the way america was in the 50s

did he say?

90% tax rate on top 1% incomes.

21 Decatur Deb  Apr 13, 2015 2:37:06pm

re: #15 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

seriously i dont have clue one as to why pat robertson would have any objection to anything at all about the way america was in the 50s

did he say?

Tax rate:

bloombergview.com

22 HappyWarrior  Apr 13, 2015 2:37:20pm

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Now I’m confused. I thought the 50’s were the good old days.

23 Decatur Deb  Apr 13, 2015 2:37:47pm

re: #20 allegro

90% tax rate on top 1% incomes.

That’s what I get for documenting.

24 calochortus  Apr 13, 2015 2:37:48pm

Just back from a lovely weekend fiber conference (as in all things spinning and weaving, etc.) I took a wonderful workshop spinning rare fibers, but it’s good to be home and catching up here (and elsewhere.)

I see the amount of stupid in the world failed to decrease while I was gone.

25 wrenchwench  Apr 13, 2015 2:37:49pm

re: #17 thedopefishlives

Hmm. Looks like I’m behind the bell curve here. I need more guns and more angry. I guess that’s the problem when you marry a beautiful woman who makes you happy, and not some angry shrew or a timid “pure Christian bride”.

Evening Lizardim.

Your lack of angry helps you win the beautiful woman.

26 Lidane  Apr 13, 2015 2:38:17pm

This bullshit again:

27 Decatur Deb  Apr 13, 2015 2:38:18pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

Now I’m confused. I thought the 50’s were the good old days.

Good year if you were a polio bug.

28 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 13, 2015 2:38:26pm

re: #20 allegro

90% tax rate on top 1% incomes.

re: #21 Decatur Deb

Tax rate:

bloombergview.com

Ah, yes, the reality of the 50s that Republicans don’t like.

That pesky reality versus the alternate reality they adore, with the social restrictions they want back but none of the pesky economic things they dislike (higher tax rates, lots of unions, etc.).

29 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 13, 2015 2:38:39pm

Youth outreach, Rubio-style:

30 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 13, 2015 2:39:01pm

Nearly 9% of people in the United States have outbursts of anger, break or smash things, or get into physical fights — and have access to a firearm, a new study says.

9% of adult americans should be roughly 20 million people - if we include teen agers, more…

What’s more, 1.5% of people who have these anger issues carry their guns outside the home.

angry people with guns inside the home sound pretty dangerous too, but 1.5% of 20 million people amounts to several hundred thousand people with serious anger management problems wandering around free range while carrying guns

31 allegro  Apr 13, 2015 2:39:02pm

re: #23 Decatur Deb

That’s what I get for documenting.

LOL Glad you did cuz I just made that up.

32 Nyet  Apr 13, 2015 2:39:17pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

I have no idea what Robertson had in mind. Seems like wharblgharbl.

33 wrenchwench  Apr 13, 2015 2:39:35pm

re: #24 calochortus

Just back from a lovely weekend fiber conference (as in all things spinning and weaving, etc.) I took a wonderful workshop spinning rare fibers, but it’s good to be home and catching up here (and elsewhere.)

I see the amount of stupid in the world failed to decrease while I was gone.

My feeling of spinning however, has increased. Your fault!

34 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 13, 2015 2:39:52pm

re: #20 allegro

90% tax rate on top 1% incomes.

aha, that would account for all the saddle shoes and flattops

35 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 13, 2015 2:40:07pm

re: #33 wrenchwench

My feeling of spinning however, has increased. Your fault!

Spinning bodies!
36 calochortus  Apr 13, 2015 2:42:02pm

re: #33 wrenchwench

My feeling of spinning however, has increased. Your fault!

Mea culpa! I’ll wave my magic wand and restore your stability.

37 thedopefishlives  Apr 13, 2015 2:42:21pm

re: #25 wrenchwench

Your lack of angry helps you win the beautiful woman.

And if more people realized that, maybe more people would be happy with their marriages, instead of the ridiculously high divorce rate we have.

38 Justanotherhuman  Apr 13, 2015 2:44:23pm

Well, here’s a guy who’s going to be doing some serious time.

Chesco man admits to building 460 bombs

Read more at philly.com

39 wrenchwench  Apr 13, 2015 2:44:31pm

re: #37 thedopefishlives

And if more people realized that, maybe more people would be happy with their marriages, instead of the ridiculously high divorce rate we have.

It helps with with the task of winning a man, as well.

40 Great White Snark  Apr 13, 2015 2:44:51pm

How is an anger problem so severe as to actually incite physical violence (with or without a gun) not a mental illness? If you have a violent record, you can not legally buy a gun from a dealer. And maybe not even private party, depending on location.

41 HappyWarrior  Apr 13, 2015 2:44:58pm

re: #29 Backwoods_Sleuth

Youth outreach, Rubio-style:

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lol that’s almost as pathetic as Cruz claiming he started liking country music after 9/11 because he didn’t like how rock music “responded” to 9/11. Almost only because it’s not Marco himself saying this.

42 Justanotherhuman  Apr 13, 2015 2:44:58pm

Lawyers say there were already 3 Tulsa, Okla., officers subduing Eric Harris at the time shots were fired - @hash_said
end of alert

43 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 13, 2015 2:45:18pm

re: #18 HappyWarrior

Yeah I don’t think Hillary would condone anyone on her staff doing that. Are those actually Bristol’s friends?

I don’t know who they are, but they could be Bristol’s friends.

Wingnuts are spamming this picture as though HURR HURR ALL LIBTARDS!!!!!! are wearing this shirt.

There are many more appropriate words to say about Sarah Palin without using the “c” word.

44 thedopefishlives  Apr 13, 2015 2:45:25pm

re: #40 Great White Snark

How is an anger problem so severe as to actually incite physical violence (with or without a gun) not a mental illness?

Because America, that’s why.

45 wrenchwench  Apr 13, 2015 2:46:14pm

re: #40 Great White Snark

How is an anger problem so severe as to actually incite physical violence (with or without a gun) not a mental illness?

Could be one definition, or the person is very handy with excuses….

46 scottslemmons  Apr 13, 2015 2:46:44pm

re: #16 #FergusonFireside

Yeah, that seems really likely. People on drugs are always yelling out what drugs they’re on. It’s like kung fu masters shouting out their attacks.

“Shining Shaolin STRIKE!”
“Celestial Dragon KICK!”
“I’m on PCP!”

47 Kragar  Apr 13, 2015 2:46:48pm

So the diagnosis is hot bath + no breakfast + standing up to fast = fainting

She goes back next week for a check up and to get vaccinations she’s coming due for.

48 HappyWarrior  Apr 13, 2015 2:47:16pm

re: #43 Lord Of The Pies

I don’t know who they are, but they could be Bristol’s friends.

Wingnuts are spamming this picture as though HURR HURR ALL LIBTARDS!!!!!! are wearing this shirt.

There are many more appropriate words to say about Sarah Palin without using the “c” word.

Yeah I seriously doubt liberals would be wearing that shirt. I mean I do use the word bitch I won’t lie but the c-word is one I will not use to describe a woman. And far worse has been said about Hillary by the right but we knew this already.

49 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 13, 2015 2:47:35pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

Now I’m confused. I thought the 50’s were the good old days.

Well in some ways they kind of were.

50 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 13, 2015 2:47:52pm

re: #47 Kragar

Glad it is nothing more serious than that.

mr. klys’s doctor’s appointment today yielded a surgery date set for May 1st. Both knees.

Apparently our 11 mile walk yesterday did not earn him any brownie points with the surgeon.

51 wrenchwench  Apr 13, 2015 2:48:05pm

re: #47 Kragar

So the diagnosis is hot bath + no breakfast + standing up to fast = fainting

She goes back next week for a check up and to get vaccinations she’s coming due for.

And breakfast for everyone!

52 Decatur Deb  Apr 13, 2015 2:48:41pm

re: #40 Great White Snark

How is an anger problem so severe as to actually incite physical violence (with or without a gun) not a mental illness? If you have a violent record, you can not legally buy a gun from a dealer. And maybe not even private party, depending on location.

When I inherited my FIL’s guns, Hardin County got a hell of a lot safer.

53 thedopefishlives  Apr 13, 2015 2:48:49pm

re: #49 Lord Of The Pies

Ugh. You and your facts. When are you going to stop being right?

54 Charles Johnson  Apr 13, 2015 2:49:06pm
55 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 13, 2015 2:49:25pm

re: #20 allegro

90% tax rate on top 1% incomes.

if republicans were in favor of this we would hear about how the 90% top rate was responsible for the ideal state of 50s america where the middle class was expanding rapidly, american military power was unchallenged around the world, and all good children ate their peas

and wimmens stayed in the home and baked pies all day

56 thedopefishlives  Apr 13, 2015 2:49:47pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

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As I’ve said before, I’ve always preferred to think of it as more of a bus. That makes it more convenient for them to start throwing each other under it.

57 HappyWarrior  Apr 13, 2015 2:49:55pm

re: #49 Lord Of The Pies

Well in some ways they kind of were.

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Well when conservatives like Pat say that, they’re not talking about economics. They’re talking about women and minorities knowing their place. Not that I think Ike was a bad president but I can’t in good faith call that era the good old days due to the sexism and racism that was more rampant than our own times. Now that said, I do think it’s interesting that era was much more economically left wing than we are now and we still prospered which I think throws a wrench in right wing economic theories.

58 ObserverArt  Apr 13, 2015 2:50:05pm

re: #49 Lord Of The Pies

Well in some ways they kind of were.

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And don’t forget he warned us about what was to come with the military and their suppliers…in which he was spot on.

Abe, Teddy and Ike…3 Republicans I like! *

*old t-shirt idea…still might try it.

59 Charles Johnson  Apr 13, 2015 2:50:55pm

re: #40 Great White Snark

How is an anger problem so severe as to actually incite physical violence (with or without a gun) not a mental illness? If you have a violent record, you can not legally buy a gun from a dealer. And maybe not even private party, depending on location.

Quote:

Their behavioral history might suggest a propensity for violence, according to the study. But nothing in their medical histories would bar them from legally purchasing guns under existing mental health related restrictions.

60 #FergusonFireside  Apr 13, 2015 2:51:03pm
61 thedopefishlives  Apr 13, 2015 2:51:05pm

About that 90% top income tax rate - I have a question. How many people are actually earning a salary or other paid wage that puts them in the top 1% of earners? I thought most rich people abused the ridiculously low capital gains tax to accrue their wealth.

62 De Kolta Chair  Apr 13, 2015 2:51:14pm
63 calochortus  Apr 13, 2015 2:51:25pm

re: #50 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Glad it is nothing more serious than that.

mr. klys’s doctor’s appointment today yielded a surgery date set for May 1st. Both knees.

Apparently our 11 mile walk yesterday did not earn him any brownie points with the surgeon.

What’s wrong with his knees?

64 ObserverArt  Apr 13, 2015 2:51:46pm

re: #50 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Glad it is nothing more serious than that.

mr. klys’s doctor’s appointment today yielded a surgery date set for May 1st. Both knees.

Apparently our 11 mile walk yesterday did not earn him any brownie points with the surgeon.

Ouch!!! Is that regular surgery on cartilage and the like and not two knee replacements (I hope).

65 HappyWarrior  Apr 13, 2015 2:52:10pm

re: #58 ObserverArt

And don’t forget he warned us about what was to come with the military and their suppliers…in which he was spot on.

Abe, Teddy and Ike…3 Republicans I like! *

*old t-shirt idea…still might try it.

Really is telling I think about their party that their best presidential candidates were all born over a century ago.

66 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 13, 2015 2:52:22pm

re: #63 calochortus

What’s wrong with his knees?

Arthritis (bone on bone in places) and meniscus tear on at least one, possibly both (the MRI wasn’t clear).

67 Great White Snark  Apr 13, 2015 2:52:40pm

re: #45 wrenchwench

Could be one definition, or the person is very handy with excuses….

I feel awkward as heck. Totally agree that those with anger issues that severe should be prohibited. Guys like that help justify defensive measures, guns or otherwise. But I think that point undermines the headline. Sorry Charles.

And it’s no secret that those who have guns at all tend to have several. I had more than 6, and never punched anyone in anger or had the cops called out over my actions. I’d hate to see a raw connection being alleged between owning a collection of guns and having an anger problem. Not hard to imagine the reverse, angry people will want the tools that enable their violence.

re: #59 Charles Johnson

This article seems to define a shortcoming in our mental health system (duh). We almost don’t have one. Dangerous individuals with access to dangerous devices is a pretty basic bad idea.

68 Lidane  Apr 13, 2015 2:52:40pm

HIRE ALL TEH WEB DEVELOPERS:

69 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 13, 2015 2:53:33pm

90% top rate

all the trouble in the united states started when kennedy brought down the top rate into the 70s in the early sixties

the result was riots in the ghettos, unruly youth protests, and the vietnam war

then reagan reduced it radically in the 80s

and what did we get? presidents who were soft on islam cutting and running when terrorists blew up a marine barracks in lebanon, and budget deficits going through the roof putting us in economic thrall to red china

bring back the 90% rate for peace and prosperity!

70 ObserverArt  Apr 13, 2015 2:53:34pm

re: #62 De Kolta Chair

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Heh. I made mention of the arrow pointing to the right yesterday just after Hillary announced and someone here at LGF put up a link to her web site.

What do I win?

(Probably nothing…I never win anything.)

71 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 13, 2015 2:53:36pm

re: #64 ObserverArt

Ouch!!! Is that regular surgery on cartilage and the like snd not two knee replacements (I hope).

No, thankfully not knee replacements! He’s done this once before for the meniscus thing, long before I was in the photo.

I get to be driver/helper/all-around useful person this time.

72 goddamnedfrank  Apr 13, 2015 2:55:14pm

re: #40 Great White Snark

If you have a violent record, you can not legally buy a gun from a dealer.

There’s a factor you’re glaringly not taking into account, plea bargains.

73 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 13, 2015 2:55:15pm

re: #61 thedopefishlives

About that 90% top income tax rate - I have a question. How many people are actually earning a salary or other paid wage that puts them in the top 1% of earners? I thought most rich people abused the ridiculously low capital gains tax to accrue their wealth.

I can’t speak to the 1950s, but these days, while it may be especially true for people in the top 0.1% (or even the top 0.5%), there are places in the country where cost of living (and resultant salaries) can result in a two-income household that hits the top 1% on actual wages.

74 calochortus  Apr 13, 2015 2:55:19pm

re: #66 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Arthritis (bone on bone in places) and meniscus tear on at least one, possibly both (the MRI wasn’t clear).

Ouch. I had a knee replaced a few years back (arthritis resulting from an old injury.) Life is better now that I’m bionic. I’m also grateful it was only one knee.

edit: I had the meniscus “tidied up” before the replacement and it did help for a couple years.

75 Decatur Deb  Apr 13, 2015 2:55:54pm

HEY!! IF WE CAN BE HALF-BLIND AND DRIVE, WHY SHOULDN’T WE BE HALF-CRAZY AND SHOOT????

76 Charles Johnson  Apr 13, 2015 2:56:17pm

re: #67 Great White Snark

The headline is nothing more than a description of the findings of the study.

77 wrenchwench  Apr 13, 2015 2:56:55pm

re: #67 Great White Snark

I feel awkward as heck. Totally agree that those with anger issues that severe should be prohibited. Guys like that help justify defensive measures, guns or otherwise. But I think that point undermines the headline. Sorry Charles.

And it’s no secret that those who have guns at all tend to have several. I had more than 6, and never punched anyone in anger or had the cops called out over my actions. I’d hate to see a raw connection being alleged between owning a collection of guns and having an anger problem. Not hard to imagine the reverse, angry people will want the tools that enable their violence.

This article seems to define a shortcoming in our mental health system (duh). We almost don’t have one. Dangerous individuals with access to dangerous devices is a pretty basic bad idea.

One of the problems is labeling or stereotyping that is feared by people who need treatment.

78 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 13, 2015 2:56:56pm

re: #74 calochortus

Ouch. I had a knee replaced a few years back (arthritis resulting from an old injury.) Life is better now that I’m bionic. I’m also grateful it was only one knee.

The reality is we may be looking at that down the line, but there are possible stopgap measures in the meantime.

It would have been scheduled for this Friday but we fly next week and blood clots and I’d rather not have any more trips to the ER from an airplane.

79 Dr. Matt  Apr 13, 2015 2:57:43pm

The data from their analyses come from a survey conducted between February 5, 2001, and April 7, 2003. The results could actually underestimate the true problem since the prevalence of gun ownership has gone up since then and the incidence of ammosexual-induced outrage has likely increased.

80 thedopefishlives  Apr 13, 2015 2:57:49pm

re: #73 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I can’t speak to the 1950s, but these days, while it may be especially true for people in the top 0.1% (or even the top 0.5%), there are places in the country where cost of living (and resultant salaries) can result in a two-income household that hits the top 1% on actual wages.

I want it known that I have no problems paying my fair share, and if I were earning a metric assload of money, I would be willing to cough up. However, I do think that any tax plan that aims to help rebalance the wealth disparity needs to have some element of playing games with capital gains to reduce the loophole for the rich while still promoting strong investment.

81 HappyWarrior  Apr 13, 2015 2:58:23pm

Part of the problem Re: Guns seems to me that the Gun Lobby and their allies block any serious studies of guns in this country that could perhaps alleviate people’s fears and not feel the need to overstock.

82 calochortus  Apr 13, 2015 2:59:08pm

re: #78 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Stopgaps are good-the meniscus trim did help me for a while, and the replacement is major surgery with power tools. Also, they don’t necessarily last forever and there is a limit to the number of times it can be redone.

83 HappyWarrior  Apr 13, 2015 2:59:09pm

On a lighter note, I got my niece dancing to Happy Happy Joy Joy today. I am an awesome uncle.

84 Charles Johnson  Apr 13, 2015 2:59:10pm

re: #67 Great White Snark

And it’s no secret that those who have guns at all tend to have several. I had more than 6, and never punched anyone in anger or had the cops called out over my actions. I’d hate to see a raw connection being alleged between owning a collection of guns and having an anger problem.

That’s not what the study says; you have it exactly backwards. It doesn’t say a collection of guns indicates an anger problem, it says people with anger problems tend to have large collections of guns. Not the same thing at all.

85 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 13, 2015 2:59:59pm

re: #77 wrenchwench

One of the problems is labeling or stereotyping that is feared by people who need treatment.

Another problem is that these are people for whom their ability to own guns is part of their definition of who they are. So. Does being in treatment (which may or may not be entirely successful) deprive them of their right to own a gun? If there is any chance that the answer to that question is yes, how do you convince them to go get said treatment when it could result in the loss of something they consider fundamental to their personal identity?

It’s a complicated question with no easy answer.

86 calochortus  Apr 13, 2015 3:00:05pm

re: #83 HappyWarrior

On a lighter note, I got my niece dancing to Happy Happy Joy Joy today. I am an awesome uncle.

Yes, you are.

87 Nyet  Apr 13, 2015 3:00:46pm

re: #62 De Kolta Chair

Finally an understandable New Yorker cartoon. /

88 goddamnedfrank  Apr 13, 2015 3:01:11pm

re: #72 goddamnedfrank

Also, juvenile records, witness intimidation, and being charged with a lesser offense to begin with. Lots of rage gets expressed as property destruction and then charged as petty vandalism, drunk and disorderly, etc.

89 HappyWarrior  Apr 13, 2015 3:01:24pm

re: #86 calochortus

Yes, you are.

I try not to toot my own horn too much and she didn’t get any of her dance ability from my brother’s genes for sure heh but man I love that I got her dancing to it. She really is an awesome little kid. So much energy and personality.

90 Lidane  Apr 13, 2015 3:01:32pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

Ben Carson is actually going through with it?

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91 wrenchwench  Apr 13, 2015 3:03:06pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

Also, juvenile records, witness intimidation, and being charged with a lesser offense to begin with. Lots of rage gets expressed as property destruction and then charged as petty vandalism, drunk and disorderly, etc.

Bullying peers and torturing animals.

92 HappyWarrior  Apr 13, 2015 3:03:13pm

re: #90 Lidane

Ben Carson is actually going through with it?

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Seriously the guy makes Herman Cain look like he was a serious candidate. This is the first time Carson has run for anything ever. Even Cain had that stupid 9-0-0 plan which while it resembled a pizza deal was at least a plan. What’s Carsnn’s plan?
9-9-9 I meant that.

93 Lidane  Apr 13, 2015 3:04:46pm

re: #92 HappyWarrior

What’s Carson’s plan?

Making millions off the rubes and then suddenly finding a reason to spend more time with his family right before the final filing deadline.

94 Kragar  Apr 13, 2015 3:04:58pm

re: #92 HappyWarrior

What’s Carson’s plan?

To pretend he’s electable because Obama got elected and claim any criticism against him proves liberals are the real racists.

95 HappyWarrior  Apr 13, 2015 3:05:08pm

re: #93 Lidane

Making millions off the rubes and then suddenly finding a reason to spend more time with his family right before the final filing deadline.

Heh indeed.

96 Lidane  Apr 13, 2015 3:05:14pm
97 Charles Johnson  Apr 13, 2015 3:05:36pm

This study points out a really good reason never to get in an altercation with a stranger - because if he’s one of these angerbots, chances are pretty good he’s also carrying a gun.

98 ObserverArt  Apr 13, 2015 3:05:39pm

re: #92 HappyWarrior

Seriously the guy makes Herman Cain look like he was a serious candidate. This is the first time Carson has run for anything ever. Even Cain had that stupid 9-0-0 plan which while it resembled a pizza deal was at least a plan. What’s Carsnn’s plan?

9-9-9!

Herman would be so disappointed to know that was not burned into your skull. It was about the only thing he said or did that was memorable.

/ : )

99 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 13, 2015 3:05:41pm

re: #92 HappyWarrior

Seriously the guy makes Herman Cain look like he was a serious candidate. This is the first time Carson has run for anything ever. Even Cain had that stupid 9-0-0 plan which while it resembled a pizza deal was at least a plan. What’s Carsnn’s plan?

personally perform free prefrontal lobotomies for anybody who is dissatisfied with his performance as president

i’d rather have a bottle in front of me

100 Decatur Deb  Apr 13, 2015 3:05:45pm

re: #90 Lidane

Ben Carson is actually going through with it?

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Never underestimate the power of agnostic prayer.

101 Dr. Matt  Apr 13, 2015 3:05:56pm

Here is the Conclusion from the publication:

“This nationally representative survey found that a large number of individuals in the United States have a combination of impulsive angry behavior and access to firearms. An estimated 8,865 per 100,000 of the population have guns at home in conjunction with impulsive angry behavior, while an estimated 1,488 per 100,000 carry guns and have impulsive angry behavior. The study also found a significant three-way association among owning multiple guns, carrying a gun, and having impulsive angry behavior. People owning six or more guns were about four times more likely to be in the high-risk anger/carry group than those owning only one gun (about 8% vs. 2% prevalence.)”

Persons with impulsive angry behavior who had access to guns at home were more likely to be male, younger, married, and to live in outlying areas around metropolitan centers rather than in central cities. Persons with impulsive angry behavior who carried guns were significantly more likely to meet diagnostic criteria for a wide range of mental disorders, including depression, bipolar and anxiety disorders, PTSD, intermittent explosive disorder, pathological gambling, eating disorder, alcohol and illicit drug use disorders, and a range of personality disorders.

[…]

102 HappyWarrior  Apr 13, 2015 3:05:57pm

re: #94 Kragar

To pretend he’s electable because Obama got elected and claim any criticism against him proves liberals are the real racists.

I can’t wait to see the rude awakening he gets. Presidential primaries aren’t CPAC where it’s a right wing circle jerk.

103 HappyWarrior  Apr 13, 2015 3:06:20pm

re: #98 ObserverArt

9-9-9!

Herman would be so disappointed to know that was not burned into your skull. It was about the only thing he said or did that was memorable.

/ : )

Oops I did mean 9-9-9.

104 wrenchwench  Apr 13, 2015 3:07:33pm
105 Dr. Matt  Apr 13, 2015 3:08:08pm
Policy Implications

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“Nonetheless, the new data presented here document associations between most of the common mental disorders studied and several behaviors that are likely to heighten risk for impulsive, gun-related violence. The associations are diagnostically non-specific, though, encompassing disorders that affect substantial proportions of the population (e.g., depression, anxiety disorders) and that are not usually thought to be associated with violence (e.g., eating disorders). Only a small minority of the people with such disorders are subject to current gun restrictions based on mental disorder, as they are never involuntarily hospitalized. Nor would it be easy for authorities otherwise to identify many of them as having one of these common mental disorders, as they will never have sought treatment. Even if these common disorders could be identified, furthermore, gun exclusions that swept up such a large proportion of the general population are not likely to be politically viable.

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106 allegro  Apr 13, 2015 3:08:44pm

IIRC, rage and anger issues would more often fall in the category of personality disorders that are not considered mental illness. Those with such personality disorders don’t think they have a problem so they would have no motivation to seek mental treatment or therapy unless anger management or something was ordered by a court.

107 Charles Johnson  Apr 13, 2015 3:09:15pm
108 Targetpractice  Apr 13, 2015 3:09:46pm

re: #96 Lidane

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Tell him to send the lemons back. Demand to see life’s manager. Tell him you’re gonna burn his house down…with the lemons.

/(Gamer moment)

109 wrenchwench  Apr 13, 2015 3:10:15pm

re: #101 Dr. Matt

Here is the Conclusion from the publication:

I’m glad we have readers here who make it to the end out of habit or whatever drives you.

110 Charles Johnson  Apr 13, 2015 3:10:19pm

re: #106 allegro

IIRC, rage and anger issues would more often fall in the category of personality disorders that are not considered mental illness. Those with such personality disorders don’t think they have a problem so they would have no motivation to seek mental treatment or therapy unless anger management or something was ordered by a court.

Exactly - and that’s what makes this study so disturbing.

111 Charles Johnson  Apr 13, 2015 3:11:05pm

re: #105 Dr. Matt

I can sum up those policy implications in two words.

We’re fucked.

112 Decatur Deb  Apr 13, 2015 3:11:36pm

re: #109 wrenchwench

I’m glad we have readers here who make it to the end out of habit or whatever drives you.

Still hoping there will be a Classics Illustrated version of the 2016 campaign reporting.

113 #FergusonFireside  Apr 13, 2015 3:13:01pm
114 Kragar  Apr 13, 2015 3:13:08pm

re: #111 Charles Johnson

I can sum up those policy implications in two words.

We’re fucked.

I wonder how many of those people overlap in a Venn diagram with neo-Confederates

115 Dr. Matt  Apr 13, 2015 3:13:30pm

Just stumbled across this publication in pubmed:

Legal status and source of offenders’ firearms in states with the least stringent criteria for gun ownership

Background: Gun possession by high-risk individuals presents a serious threat to public safety. U.S. federal law establishes minimum criteria for legal purchase and possession of firearms; many states have laws disqualifying additional categories for illegal possession.

Methods:< We used data from a national survey of state prison inmates to calculate: 1) the proportion of offenders, incarcerated for crimes committed with firearms in 13 states with the least restrictive firearm purchase and possession laws, who would have been prohibited if their states had stricter gun laws; and 2) the source of gun acquisition for offenders who were and were not legally permitted to purchase and possess firearms.

Results: Nearly three of ten gun offenders (73 of 253 or 28.9%) were legal gun possessors but would have been prohibited from purchasing or possessing firearms when committing their most recent offense if their states had stricter prohibitions. Offenders who were already prohibited under current law acquired their gun from a licensed dealer, where a background check is required, five times less often than offenders who were not prohibited (3.9% vs. 19.9%; 㱲=13.31; p𢙀.001). Nearly all (96.1%) offenders who were legally prohibited, acquired their gun from a supplier not required to conduct a background check.

Conclusions: Stricter gun ownership laws would have made firearm possession illegal for many state prison inmates who used a gun to commit a crime. Requiring all gun sales to be subject to a background check would make it more difficult for these offenders to obtain guns.

116 HappyWarrior  Apr 13, 2015 3:13:59pm

What troubles me really is I don’t see this getting better. I swear every time a Democratic candidate has a real shot of winning an important race whether it’s for president, governor, senator, or whatever the gun groups are there to tell them that “So and so is going to take your guns away so STOCK UP” and then when Obama or whoever actually wins. They keep on feeding the fuels of fear. Really I truly understand why someone would want to own a gun. My own grandfather was a hunter and I know people want to be able to protect themselves from intruders and while it’s not my cup of tea, I have a good friend who enjoys target shooting. But at the same time, there needs to be reason and realize that the 2nd amendment was written before the Industrial Revolution in the U.S. I also highly doubted the Founders intended for individuals to have mini-arsenals.

117 ObserverArt  Apr 13, 2015 3:14:06pm

re: #97 Charles Johnson

This study points out a really good reason never to get in an altercation with a stranger - because if he’s one of these angerbots, chances are pretty good he’s also carrying a gun.

What happens when you do not get into an altercation, but tragically kill a kid in a traffic incident and someone (parent/relative) comes out and guns you and a passenger down*)

See my number #12 above.

*All details still unknown and being investigated.

A friend of mine was telling me about a month ago, a woman cut him off in traffic and almost hit the side of his car. He yelled “watch what the hell you are doing” and she jumped out of her car and came back and made it known to him she wasn’t going to stand for his lip and showed she had a gun inside her jacket.

Its fucking nuts out there. I know people are going to bitch about their rights to own guns in America, but where are my rights not to have to face a gun owner that is out of control, roided out, drunk or just plain bad.

And if you want to jack around about percentages, even 10% of people with guns that could be problematic is unsafe for too many people.

And that is all I will say, because gun discussion cannot be done in this country. And that is fucking sad. And wrong. No one right should abridge a right to live.

118 Lidane  Apr 13, 2015 3:14:32pm

You know what else is over? Rubio’s campaign. The RWNJs will never vote for him. They see him as a traitor on immigration.

119 Kragar  Apr 13, 2015 3:14:52pm

re: #107 Charles Johnson

120 HappyWarrior  Apr 13, 2015 3:15:29pm

re: #118 Lidane

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Those are strong words from a man who will be lucky to finish in fourth place in his own party’s primary.

121 HappyWarrior  Apr 13, 2015 3:15:55pm

re: #119 Kragar

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122 Nyet  Apr 13, 2015 3:16:28pm

re: #107 Charles Johnson

Needs a bigger bottle.

123 thedopefishlives  Apr 13, 2015 3:17:11pm

re: #118 Lidane

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You know what else is over? Rubio’s campaign. The RWNJs will never vote for him. They see him as a traitor on immigration.

That’s rich coming from the guy whose party is going to campaign against a candidate who isn’t even eligible to run anymore.

124 Gus  Apr 13, 2015 3:17:21pm

re: #118 Lidane

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Yeah. Yesterday. Says the guy that wants to retain the US embargo on Cuba; repeal Roe. v. Wade; repeal this; repeal that.

125 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 13, 2015 3:18:29pm

re: #106 allegro

IIRC, rage and anger issues would more often fall in the category of personality disorders that are not considered mental illness. Those with such personality disorders don’t think they have a problem so they would have no motivation to seek mental treatment or therapy unless anger management or something was ordered by a court.

rule of thumb:

never issue a gun permit to anybody who says ‘I am NOT crazy!!!”

126 #FergusonFireside  Apr 13, 2015 3:19:08pm

re: #116 HappyWarrior

The NRA received a million or so dollar thank you check from a bullet manufacturer at their convention this weekend. Can’t find the photo.

127 ObserverArt  Apr 13, 2015 3:19:27pm

All the Republican candidates have are talking points.

And they aren’t even good at that.

128 Gus  Apr 13, 2015 3:19:48pm

Really is kind of funny how these Republican presidential candidates seem to be forgetting that for now they’re running against each other and not Hillary Clinton. Rather amusing this focus is of theirs on Hillary Clinton.

129 HappyWarrior  Apr 13, 2015 3:20:28pm

re: #126 #FergusonFireside

The NRA received a million or so dollar thank you check from a bullet manufacturer at their convention this weekend. Can’t find the photo.

I heard LaPierre also pretty much called for electing another white male president but don’t call Wayne the dick a racist or anything like that.

130 Gus  Apr 13, 2015 3:20:34pm

Marco Rubio thinks he’s running against Hillary Clinton while he’s really running against Jeb Bush.

131 Nyet  Apr 13, 2015 3:21:54pm

re: #125 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

rule of thumb:

never issue a gun permit to anybody who says ‘I am NOT crazy!!!”

Or “I’m not dead!”.

/

132 wrenchwench  Apr 13, 2015 3:22:37pm
133 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 13, 2015 3:22:46pm

re: #130 Gus

Marco Rubio thinks he’s running against Hillary Clinton while he’s really running against Jeb Bush.

that’s the way they started out in 2008 but we fooled them eh?

134 Charles Johnson  Apr 13, 2015 3:23:09pm
135 HappyWarrior  Apr 13, 2015 3:23:22pm

re: #133 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

that’s the way they started out in 2008 but we fooled them eh?

Operation Chaos lol @ Rush.

136 blueraven  Apr 13, 2015 3:23:28pm

Marco has a dry mouth problem. I don’t know if nerves or something medical, but it is a bit distracting.

137 Great White Snark  Apr 13, 2015 3:23:32pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

First, must admit I wish the whole thing was not behind a paywall. Not the Times, the study.

I’m just trying to point out a potential mistake easily made by some. Rather not backwards but assuming a mutual effect. No guns do not impart a propensity to violence. They have an obvious appeal to the violent same as any weapon.

It has been asserted in these pages that psychiatry/psychology will never ever be able to predict who is a killer among us. Not even those of us in for anger management treatment or therapy. Well I’m less convinced worthwhile progress could not be made. But let’s say that’s accurate at least for now.

So we have the question at hand-What level of alleged or demonstrated “propensity to violence” would mean a person loses the right to bear arms?

138 thedopefishlives  Apr 13, 2015 3:23:34pm

re: #134 Charles Johnson

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139 HappyWarrior  Apr 13, 2015 3:23:51pm

re: #134 Charles Johnson

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They’re going to hate him even more as an ex president.

140 Gus  Apr 13, 2015 3:23:52pm

Yeah, all those taxes and regulating leading to the USA surpassing Saudi Arabia in oil production and record DOW and NASDAQ. Think of the billionaires!

141 Decatur Deb  Apr 13, 2015 3:25:10pm

re: #131 Nyet

Or “I’m not dead!”.

/

My sheriff has very little latitude to refuse me a carry permit good in 24 states. As a vet (50 yrs ago), I don’t even have to take a class.

142 Gus  Apr 13, 2015 3:25:33pm

Meanwhile the corporations pay little taxes and continue to legally hide their money overseas. While Republicans pretend to equate small businesses with corporations and billionaires.

143 jaunte  Apr 13, 2015 3:26:15pm
144 Charles Johnson  Apr 13, 2015 3:27:01pm
145 Kragar  Apr 13, 2015 3:27:19pm
146 HappyWarrior  Apr 13, 2015 3:27:45pm

re: #144 Charles Johnson

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147 Kragar  Apr 13, 2015 3:27:50pm

re: #144 Charles Johnson

If only he used HTTPS…

I’M KIDDING!

148 goddamnedfrank  Apr 13, 2015 3:28:54pm

P.S. I have an embarrassingly large number of firearms. Two days ago I put money down on yet another, a Browning Double-Auto Twelvette.

Most people didn’t understand or appreciate these guns so Browning ended production the year before I was born. That’s because they’re kind of an oddball, a semi auto 12 gauge that only holds two rounds, one in the chamber and one in reserve. They have a unique lift gate mechanism that sucks up the first round and chambers it immediately on loading. Americans tend to think more is better, even though the third round you’re legally allowed to have while hunting almost never gets fired and the magazine just makes the gun front heavy. The Double Autos were designed to shoulder, point and fire quickly, and balance perfectly like a fine English double barreled gun but without the cost. They also require almost zero maintenance, and in fact yearly disassembly and lubrication was actively discouraged.

Anyway yeah I like guns, but I’ll be the first to admit that American gun culture is fucked up and there are a lot of scary ass people who gravitate towards it.

149 HappyWarrior  Apr 13, 2015 3:30:04pm

re: #143 jaunte

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I think that’s part of why I find him and also Cruz so despicable. As Cuban-Americans, they have had very special privileges. I’m sure many of you are familiar with the wet policy that applies to Cuban emigrants. That always bothered me. Not because I lack sympathy for Cubans fleeing the Castro regime mind you but because I think it’s unfair to other groups who may be escaping something far more tyrannical than the Castro brothers and despite what the Cuba lobby tells you, there are dictatorships that are.

150 wrenchwench  Apr 13, 2015 3:31:10pm
151 Justanotherhuman  Apr 13, 2015 3:31:15pm

re: #149 HappyWarrior

I think that’s part of why I find him and also Cruz so despicable. As Cuban-Americans, they have had very special privileges. I’m sure many of you are familiar with the wet policy that applies to Cuban emigrants. That always bothered me. Not because I lack sympathy for Cubans fleeing the Castro regime mind you but because I think it’s unfair to other groups who may be escaping something far more tyrannical than the Castro brothers and despite what the Cuba lobby tells you, there are dictatorships that are.

Yeah, look what’s going on in Central America, for instance.

152 Great White Snark  Apr 13, 2015 3:31:32pm

We can spend our time chasing felons guns and gun laws. Need that be to the out of hand dismissal of pursuing the reduction of violent human aggression? I say not. The path to reducing murderous violence is not limited to gun control.

re: #106 allegro

IIRC, rage and anger issues would more often fall in the category of personality disorders that are not considered mental illness. Those with such personality disorders don’t think they have a problem so they would have no motivation to seek mental treatment or therapy unless anger management or something was ordered by a court.

I think the upshot is psychology has no solutions. Gun control in the strictest sense is of limited value. Effectively prohibiting those who have demonstrated violent behavior, like assault and domestic violence should be prohibited. But that’s criminal justice not mental health authorities. Which is probably exactly how we want it.

153 Decatur Deb  Apr 13, 2015 3:32:15pm

No imaginable gun control law that could be passed in the next 50 years could make a 10-20% reduction in firearm deaths. What gun control campaigns can do is keep Democrats out of office. (And that extends the horizon to 100 years.)

154 Gus  Apr 13, 2015 3:33:25pm

The way these Republicans talk you’d think America doesn’t have billionaires who are getting richer everyday amassing billions more. You’d think American corporations would be going bankrupt and not making record profits. The DOW would be barely making 9,000 instead of breaking 18,000. That America doesn’t have a thriving petroleum industry and high-tech industry. According to Republicans America doesn’t have a thriving auto-industry, airline industry nor aircraft and defense industries. Heck, America still even has a thriving coal industry.

155 HappyWarrior  Apr 13, 2015 3:33:40pm

re: #151 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, look what’s going on in Central America, for instance.

Past and present. And then you have hypocritical right wing assholes who had no problem with the Contras. And I’m glad Gus is here but also the Argentine regime and also Pinochet. This by no means is a defense of the Castros but I resent the narrative made past and present that the Cuban government was by far the most despotic in the Western hemisphere ergo people fleeing form there get special protections that they would not get if they were from somewhere else.

156 Justanotherhuman  Apr 13, 2015 3:33:52pm

Ah, so Rubio’s theme is the future? Well, he can run for president in the future, then. Party on.

Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., formally announces candidacy for president, says he’s ‘inspired by the promise of our future’
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Sen. Marco Rubio: ‘Our leaders put us at a disadvantage by taxing, borrowing and regulating like it’s 1999’
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157 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 13, 2015 3:34:43pm
158 Gus  Apr 13, 2015 3:35:31pm

Instead, they paint an opposite picture of reality while billionaires and executives continue to make great advances while bathing in cash and resisting a living wage. American industry, Wall Street, and billionaires are doing great. They make more while continuing to be a bunch of cheapos and refuse to do the right thing and voluntarily share their wealth by way of higher incomes for the American people.

159 Great White Snark  Apr 13, 2015 3:36:29pm

re: #13 wrenchwench

And a certain percentage of owners of automobiles, yet to be determined.

Same guys I’d bet. Taking their cars may help as much as taking away the guns. After all a rage a holic is terrifying in a car.

160 HappyWarrior  Apr 13, 2015 3:37:10pm

re: #157 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s going to be amusing seeing Rubio try to pander to millennial trying to act “hip” when most of us will just see a fairly young politically speaking guy who sounds like an old man when he opens his mouth. Which really is what can be said about all the Republican “young guns.” They may be young men and women but they sound like old people when they actually talk about the issues. Rubio, Cruz, Paul, etc all are actually probably socially to the right of the older candidates like Bush and Christie.

161 wrenchwench  Apr 13, 2015 3:38:32pm

re: #152 Great White Snark

I think the upshot is psychology has no solutions.

Psychology is a way of studying one aspect of the problem. The Constitutional availability of guns is another aspect. Affecting what people choose to do with them is a psychological part. We have to make it harder to choose to kill. For everyone, including cops.

162 Justanotherhuman  Apr 13, 2015 3:38:34pm

re: #159 Great White Snark

Same guys I’d bet. Taking their cars may help as much as taking away the guns. After all a rage a holic is terrifying in a car.

Just another weapon they’re inside of.

163 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 13, 2015 3:38:55pm

Double checking numbers on the tax returns.

blech…

164 Gus  Apr 13, 2015 3:39:08pm

re: #149 HappyWarrior

I think that’s part of why I find him and also Cruz so despicable. As Cuban-Americans, they have had very special privileges. I’m sure many of you are familiar with the wet policy that applies to Cuban emigrants. That always bothered me. Not because I lack sympathy for Cubans fleeing the Castro regime mind you but because I think it’s unfair to other groups who may be escaping something far more tyrannical than the Castro brothers and despite what the Cuba lobby tells you, there are dictatorships that are.

Rubio is the forward thinking candidate that still thinks it’s October, 1962.

165 Kragar  Apr 13, 2015 3:40:19pm

re: #156 Justanotherhuman

166 allegro  Apr 13, 2015 3:41:01pm

re: #152 Great White Snark

We can spend our time chasing felons guns and gun laws. Need that be to the out of hand dismissal of pursuing the reduction of violent human aggression? I say not. The path to reducing murderous violence is not limited to gun control.

I think the upshot is psychology has no solutions. Gun control in the strictest sense is of limited value. Effectively prohibiting those who have demonstrated violent behavior, like assault and domestic violence should be prohibited. But that’s criminal justice not mental health authorities. Which is probably exactly how we want it.

I think you are assuming a fact certainly not in evidence in that gun control is of limited value. Increased regulations on firearm and ammunition purchases to remove background check loopholes, require gun registration, require insurance on firearms owned and proof thereof to buy ammo, increased training and documentation for concealed and open carry, etc. You’re right that people who are easily pissed off can’t be rounded up for the protection of the rest of us but we sure could make it more difficult for them to shoot us.

167 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 13, 2015 3:41:29pm
168 Gus  Apr 13, 2015 3:42:29pm

re: #165 Kragar

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169 Gus  Apr 13, 2015 3:43:26pm

Curious if anyone else has noticed that Russia still hasn’t invaded Ukraine.

170 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 13, 2015 3:43:42pm

Flashing Android 5.2 onto my Nexus 7. Pray for me. :)

RBS

171 Decatur Deb  Apr 13, 2015 3:43:51pm

re: #168 Gus

The Russians are coming!

Is starting World War Three and everybody is blaming you.

172 Great White Snark  Apr 13, 2015 3:45:29pm

re: #166 allegro

I think you are assuming a fact certainly not in evidence in that gun control is of limited value. Increased regulations on firearm and ammunition purchases to remove background check loopholes, require gun registration, require insurance on firearms owned and proof thereof to buy ammo, increased training and documentation for concealed and open carry, etc. You’re right that people who are easily pissed off can’t be rounded up for the protection of the rest of us but we sure could make it more difficult for them to shoot us.

By “strictest sense” I refer to rules about the guns. Magazine limits, saturday night special laws etc. The best “gun control” IMO is not really gun control. It’s prohibiting people for cause from access. Or people registering the fact they bought one. I should have made that clear.

173 Nyet  Apr 13, 2015 3:45:38pm

re: #169 Gus

Curious if anyone else has noticed that Russia still hasn’t invaded Ukraine.

It did officially in the Crimea and unofficially in Donbass.

174 Gus  Apr 13, 2015 3:45:47pm

re: #171 Decatur Deb

Is starting World War Three and is blaming you.

Gets pretty intense on Twitter. Never realized how neurotic foreign policy pundits tend to get. It’s like they have nervous breakdown about these things. Every single day it’s like the aliens have landed and will soon destroy the world.

175 ObserverArt  Apr 13, 2015 3:46:15pm

Later all. Gun debate depresses me too much. No reason to be a part of something that really makes no sense to me.

All I know is, I have rights granted by the Bill of Rights and the US Constitution that can be swiftly undone by someone with a gun. I just do not get that.

176 Gus  Apr 13, 2015 3:47:17pm

re: #173 Nyet

It did officially in the Crimea and unofficially in Donbass.

Yes. Crimea is pretty much gone for good from Ukraine.

177 GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 13, 2015 3:48:23pm

re: #4 stpaulbear

I’m holding steady! ;)

OT

Blackwater thugs getting what they deserve.

cnn.com

178 Gus  Apr 13, 2015 3:48:35pm

re: #173 Nyet

It did officially in the Crimea and unofficially in Donbass.

But the biggest threat to Western civilization isn’t a nuclear Iran but “Obots and SJWs.” //

179 GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 13, 2015 3:49:11pm

re: #175 ObserverArt

Because God and free dumb.

180 FemNaziBitch  Apr 13, 2015 3:49:17pm

Access to firearms is a big issue.

I am particularly sensitive to this issue in it’s regards to Domestic Violence.

Anger Management is not an issue with these criminals. They are very good at managing their anger until they get home and have a safe target.

Mass Shooting Analysis Finds Strong Domestic Violence Connection from Huff Post last July.

For Women, Gun Violence Often Linked to Domestic Violence | Josh Sugarmann LGF Pages October 2014

I am must less concerned about those that act out in a short fit of violence. It is those with a history of animal, child and intimate partner violence that are the problem.

Yet, no matter how much emphasis is put on the issues of Domestic Violence, Sexual Assault and the resulting PTSD, it is still an issue that people will not confront, and stand against.

We have laws, yet few appropriations, oversight and coordination between schools, social service agencies, law enforcement, the justice department and the medical community.

So, let’s continue to emphasize the headline grabbing and utterly misunderstood term “anger management”.

181 Great White Snark  Apr 13, 2015 3:49:21pm

By the way of experiencing angry people try confronting an angry customer at the gun range. Like that just illegally shot a bird, or cut loose rapid fire against the rules and refuses to comply. Now that’s not an experience I’d wish on the rest of you but have gone through while working as a range safety officer at Angeles Shooting Ranges. First thing is make them put away the guns, then start the conversation and walk off the facility. Unless you get a badge (friendly cop) to help.

182 Kragar  Apr 13, 2015 3:50:52pm

Why is Columbo one of my all time favorite shows?

Because not only do you get Peter Falk, but you get Leslie Nielson and Patrick McGoohan as rogue CIA agents.

183 GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 13, 2015 3:50:56pm

re: #8 Lord Of The Pies

What a relief. Palin is no politician.

184 Justanotherhuman  Apr 13, 2015 3:52:27pm

Wow, does Rubio need a better speech writer.

He’s not going to develop enough charisma or a better delivery even if he gets one, though.

185 Justanotherhuman  Apr 13, 2015 3:54:33pm

President Obama signs disaster declaration for January storm in Massachusetts - @AP
read more on abc6.com

186 FemNaziBitch  Apr 13, 2015 3:55:08pm
Attending FVIP classes is not a guarantee that an abuser will change, but it may make an abuser more aware of the role of power and control in the relationship. Attending anger management classes, couples counseling or substance abuse counseling is not the answer for domestic violence. Domestic violence is rarely a problem with anger. Instead, it is a problem of one person trying to gain or maintain power and control over an intimate partner. Anger management classes do not address the power and control that is behind domestic violence.

In short, people with a history of violence so not act as a result of anger. They act over a fear of losing power. They act to satiate their insecurities.

187 wrenchwench  Apr 13, 2015 3:56:21pm

Later, lizards.

188 Alyosha  Apr 13, 2015 3:56:23pm

As always a really agonizing kind of thread to read through. Informative, but sad.

We’re talking about almost as many guns as there are citizens concentrated in the hands of, yes, responsible collectors but also the very people who should not be able to possess them but who can only be qualified properly after the fact.

The horse has bolted. It’s just damage control now. And thanks to the power of the NRA…

Fuck.

189 Gus  Apr 13, 2015 3:57:04pm

Killing of other people is legitimized by our governments and institutions. We are taught at an early age that killing is a means to and end. Killing of other humans is a means to an end in foreign policy and national security. We accept killing as way to fix regional and global conflicts. We execute people that have broken laws — ergo, we kill them. We kill people who run away from cops. We watch movies and are entertained by murder and mayhem. It is in our literature and our cave paintings. Killing is part of Western civilization and other cultures. It can be defined as killing or murder but it still remain the taking of human lives.

190 Great White Snark  Apr 13, 2015 3:59:52pm

Oh boy. This looks really good.

Ex Machina

Video

191 CuriousLurker  Apr 13, 2015 4:00:46pm

re: #167 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Teehee—it went from “error establishing database connection” to a 503 error, and now it’s having Twitter issues on the main homepage:

Please check your Twitter Application details, that you have specified the number of tweets to load, if you have ran out of API requests, or if your account is set to private
Debug Details
stdClass Object ( [errors] => Array ( [0] => stdClass Object ( [message] => Rate limit exceeded [code] => 88 ) ) )

FFS, he doesn’t even have his WP Admin login page protected. *smh*

192 Charles Johnson  Apr 13, 2015 4:02:16pm

re: #154 Gus

The way these Republicans talk you’d think America doesn’t have billionaires who are getting richer everyday amassing billions more. You’d think American corporations would be going bankrupt and not making record profits. The DOW would be barely making 9,000 instead of breaking 18,000. That America doesn’t have a thriving petroleum industry and high-tech industry. According to Republicans America doesn’t have a thriving auto-industry, airline industry nor aircraft and defense industries. Heck, America still even has a thriving coal industry.

We’re doomed.

193 Gus  Apr 13, 2015 4:02:28pm

Thus we have a whole country that became angry and impulsive after 9/11 and we ended up killing 150-500,000 Iraqis. Society by and large sees this killing as a means to an end. We call these civilians we have killed collateral damage.

194 Great White Snark  Apr 13, 2015 4:03:12pm

re: #148 goddamnedfrank

Rapid fire 12ga?
OuchOuchOuch

195 Varek Raith  Apr 13, 2015 4:03:14pm

re: #191 CuriousLurker

Teehee—it went from “error establishing database connection” to a 503 error, and now it’s having Twitter issues on the main homepage:

FFS, he doesn’t even have his WP Admin login page protected. *smh*

That’s rich.

196 Gus  Apr 13, 2015 4:03:48pm

re: #193 Gus

Thus we have a whole country that became angry and impulsive after 9/11 and we ended up killing 150-500,000 Iraqis. Society by and large sees this killing as a means to an end. We call these civilians we have killed collateral damage.

One can also ask, why should only the civilians be important?

197 CuriousLurker  Apr 13, 2015 4:04:17pm

re: #190 Great White Snark

Oh boy. This looks really good.

Ex Machina

[Embedded content]

Video

Robots/andriods? Ugh. *shudder*

198 Gus  Apr 13, 2015 4:04:48pm

You know. When I saw Saddam Hussein in the gallows it was very disturbing.

199 Gus  Apr 13, 2015 4:05:33pm

re: #198 Gus

You know. When I saw Saddam Hussein in the gallows it was very disturbing.

“Why should you feel sorry for him!?”

“This is the one time I think the death penalty applies. And I’m against the death penalty!”

200 Alyosha  Apr 13, 2015 4:05:35pm

re: #193 Gus

Thus we have a whole country that became angry and impulsive after 9/11 and we ended up killing 150-500,000 Iraqis. Society by and large sees this killing as a means to an end. We call these civilians we have killed collateral damage.

And then have arseholes like Tim McVeigh use the term as if it relieves them of responsibility for their own crimes.

201 Varek Raith  Apr 13, 2015 4:06:01pm

re: #198 Gus

You know. When I saw Saddam Hussein in the gallows it was very disturbing.

That whole thing was fucked up.

202 Gus  Apr 13, 2015 4:06:52pm

re: #201 Varek Raith

That whole thing was fucked up.

We kill people for killing people because killing is wrong.

203 Decatur Deb  Apr 13, 2015 4:07:20pm

re: #192 Charles Johnson

We’re doomed.

We’ll get through, by the skin of our teeth.

204 Gus  Apr 13, 2015 4:07:58pm

re: #201 Varek Raith

That whole thing was fucked up.

What they did to Gaddafi was fucked up too.

205 Gus  Apr 13, 2015 4:08:56pm

re: #192 Charles Johnson

We’re doomed.

Soon we’ll have a thriving wind turbine and solar industry making billions in profits.

Doomed!

206 Gus  Apr 13, 2015 4:11:09pm

It’s just odd sometimes. This Roman like culture. We’re shocked at the murders as we should be then celebrate and cheer on executions.

207 Charles Johnson  Apr 13, 2015 4:11:11pm

re: #205 Gus

Soon we’ll have a thriving wind turbine and solar industry making billions in profits.

Doomed!

It’s time to take America back, and defeat the Washington machine while we rekindle the New American Century and build a stronger America.

208 CuriousLurker  Apr 13, 2015 4:12:15pm

Slide Show: Blackwater’s Youngest Victim - Ali Kinani, 9 years old.

209 Kragar  Apr 13, 2015 4:12:38pm

re: #207 Charles Johnson

It’s time to take America back, and defeat the Washington machine while we rekindle the New American Century and build a stronger America.

We have always been at war with _______

210 Gus  Apr 13, 2015 4:13:34pm

re: #206 Gus

It’s just odd sometimes. This Roman like culture. We’re shocked at the murders as we should be then celebrate and cheer on executions.

Romans BTW used to behead their enemies and carry their enemy’s heads in celebration. Romans are our heroes. So did British royalty and France in Vietnam before we took over France in Vietnam for freedom and a moral way of life.

211 Great White Snark  Apr 13, 2015 4:13:46pm

re: #97 Charles Johnson

This study points out a really good reason never to get in an altercation with a stranger - because if he’s one of these angerbots, chances are pretty good he’s also carrying a gun.

Absolutely the most important self defense/peaceful return home advice ever.
De escalate. If you are getting jacked give it up. If not just GTFO. Pride kills. Even if they don’t have a gun they probably have violent experience and certainly are adrenaline high. I bet if I polled us, all who ride public transit have a story or two.

212 Gus  Apr 13, 2015 4:14:14pm

re: #208 CuriousLurker

Slide Show: Blackwater’s Youngest Victim - Ali Kinani, 9 years old.

And some of use even defended Blackwater.

213 Gus  Apr 13, 2015 4:14:44pm

re: #212 Gus

And some of use even defended Blackwater.

Not for this of course. I’m sure. I hope, but some of these RWNJs probably still do.

214 Justanotherhuman  Apr 13, 2015 4:15:16pm

re: #205 Gus

Soon we’ll have a thriving wind turbine and solar industry making billions in profits.

Doomed!

Sometimes, I think I’m lucky, being 74. The ones I love the most, the young ones, not so much. Which is why I have the attitude I do about not having much longer to deal with it all and giving and caring as much as possible. That may sound a bit morbid, but the problems the entire world is facing—climate change, population overload, a world-wide oligarchy ruling us without trying very hard—all of it seen and considered together really is doom-inducing.

215 Alyosha  Apr 13, 2015 4:16:20pm

I know you guys and gals are sometimes fond of saying you’ll leave the country if X wins, but if an R wins come 2016, I’m starting a cut-rate, pirate space-colonisation venture that has maybe 2 grand’s funding and expects a Challenger-like result as a best-outcome.

The rest of us need you Yankee bastids to stay positive!!!!

216 Kragar  Apr 13, 2015 4:16:32pm

re: #210 Gus

Romans BTW used to behead their enemies and carry their enemy’s heads in celebration. Romans are our heroes. So did British royalty and France in Vietnam before we took over France in Vietnam for freedom and a moral way of life.

People also forget the original meaning of the term “decimation”

Roman units which failed their missions or broke in combat would draw lots and 1 in every 10 Legionaries would be executed to “improve morale”.

217 Charles Johnson  Apr 13, 2015 4:17:23pm

New Ant-Man trailer makes it look a lot better than the earlier ones…

218 CuriousLurker  Apr 13, 2015 4:19:23pm

re: #216 Kragar

People also forget the original meaning of the term “decimation”

Roman units which failed their missions or broke in combat would draw lots and 1 in every 10 Legionaries would be executed to “improve morale”.

E gad.

219 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 13, 2015 4:19:39pm

re: #216 Kragar

People also forget the original meaning of the term “decimation”

Roman units which failed their missions or broke in combat would draw lots and 1 in every 10 Legionaries would be executed to “improve morale”.

And I thought getting picked for the trash pickup detail sucked.

RBS

220 FemNaziBitch  Apr 13, 2015 4:20:40pm

re: #198 Gus

You know. When I saw Saddam Hussein in the gallows it was very disturbing.

yes, knowing how much satisfaction is gave me at first knowledge was a horrid reminder of just how much of an animal, I, the human, can be.

221 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 13, 2015 4:20:56pm

The show that made me realize that I really didn’t have any talent in music, dance or acting. So I became a geek instead.

RBS

222 Gus  Apr 13, 2015 4:21:18pm

re: #218 CuriousLurker

E gad.

Puts a different perspective on watching those Saturday morning Roman flicks with Victor Mature.

223 Gus  Apr 13, 2015 4:21:44pm

The Union troops were also very brutal.

224 Kragar  Apr 13, 2015 4:21:48pm

re: #217 Charles Johnson

Looking forward to it.

“My days of breaking into places and stealing stuff are over. What do you want me to do?”

“I want you to break into a place and steal some stuff.”

225 Great White Snark  Apr 13, 2015 4:21:59pm

re: #215 Alyosha

LOL, I’ll stick around no matter who wins.

It’s the campaign season I want out of! Anyone in Mexico or Canada need a precious metallurgist or photographer on a 12 month work visa?

226 FemNaziBitch  Apr 13, 2015 4:22:09pm

re: #215 Alyosha

I know you guys and gals are sometimes fond of saying you’ll leave the country if X wins, but if an R wins come 2016, I’m starting a cut-rate, pirate space-colonisation venture that has maybe 2 grand’s funding and expects a Challenger-like result as a best-outcome.

The rest of us need you Yankee bastids to stay positive!!!!

I doubt I’d survive the g-forces to leave the atmosphere.

227 Alyosha  Apr 13, 2015 4:23:52pm

re: #226 FemNaziBitch

I doubt I’d survive the g-forces to leave the atmosphere.

Leaving the atmosphere? Haha! Just the delusional optimism we need.

Welcome aboard!

228 Charles Johnson  Apr 13, 2015 4:24:08pm

WTF is Buzzfeed feeding Chuckie’s insanity?

229 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 13, 2015 4:24:46pm

re: #225 Great White Snark

LOL, I’ll stick around no matter who wins.

It’s the campaign season I want out of! Anyone in Mexico or Canada need a precious metallurgist or photographer on a 12 month work visa?

You’re a great person, but I’m not sure I’d describe you as “Precious”. ///

RBS

230 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 13, 2015 4:25:48pm

re: #228 Charles Johnson

WTF is Buzzfeed feeding Chuckie’s insanity?

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Nobody likes him…

231 Justanotherhuman  Apr 13, 2015 4:25:51pm

Goodbye job?

Alaska Airlines plane makes emergency landing in Seattle after worker heard trapped in cargo hold after takeoff; worker ‘appears okay’ - @AlaskaAir
read more on alaskaair.com

Ramp agent tells authorities he became trapped after falling asleep in cargo hold of Alaska Airlines plane at Seattle airport - @AlaskaAir
read more on alaskaair.com

232 Varek Raith  Apr 13, 2015 4:26:05pm

re: #215 Alyosha

I know you guys and gals are sometimes fond of saying you’ll leave the country if X wins, but if an R wins come 2016, I’m starting a cut-rate, pirate space-colonisation venture that has maybe 2 grand’s funding and expects a Challenger-like result as a best-outcome.

The rest of us need you Yankee bastids to stay positive!!!!

You know what I hate most?
The campaign commercials.
Good grief, if anything were to make me go postal…
/

233 Charles Johnson  Apr 13, 2015 4:26:28pm

Chuck won’t stop if you ignore him, but he’ll get much worse if he’s treated as if he were a real journalist with opinions that matter.

234 CuriousLurker  Apr 13, 2015 4:26:43pm

re: #222 Gus

Puts a different perspective on watching those Saturday morning Roman flicks with Victor Mature.

Women didn’t have it too good either…

The Roman Empire: in the First Century. The Roman Empire. Social Order. Women

Defined by the men in their lives, women in ancient Rome were valued mainly as wives and mothers. Although some were allowed more freedom than others, there was always a limit, even for the daughter of an emperor.

Not much information exists about Roman women in the first century. Women were not allowed to be active in politics, so nobody wrote about them. Neither were they taught how to write, so they could not tell their own stories.

Legal rights

We do know a little, however. Unlike society in ancient Egypt, Rome did not regard women as equal to men before the law. They received only a basic education, if any at all, and were subject to the authority of a man. Traditionally, this was their father before marriage. At that point, authority switched to their husband, who also had the legal rights over their children. […]

235 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 13, 2015 4:26:58pm

re: #226 FemNaziBitch

I doubt I’d survive the g-forces to leave the atmosphere.

I am betting that they are going to just power up slowly, like a diesel truck going up a mountain grade. It will take longer, but no g-force to deal with. (Haven’t quite figured out how they can carry enough fuel, but they can always add more fuel tanks)

RBS

236 FemNaziBitch  Apr 13, 2015 4:26:58pm

So, those lazy homeless people should just stay home and accept abuse?

237 FemNaziBitch  Apr 13, 2015 4:27:39pm

re: #227 Alyosha

Leaving the atmosphere? Haha! Just the delusional optimism we need.

Welcome aboard!

Wait, I get some of what you are smokin’?

Count me in.

238 FemNaziBitch  Apr 13, 2015 4:28:38pm

re: #234 CuriousLurker

Women didn’t have it too good either…

Women did have more rights (able to own property) later in the Republic, —maybe more the Empire stage.

239 Alyosha  Apr 13, 2015 4:29:03pm

re: #232 Varek Raith

There’s lazers…

240 Bubblehead II  Apr 13, 2015 4:29:50pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

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Great. Just what I needed to ruin my B-day. On the other hand, I guess I can look forward to the large amount of hysterical derp that will flow from his mouth. Lemons/lemonade sort of thing.

241 Charles Johnson  Apr 13, 2015 4:30:23pm

The Governor of Texas links to Jim Hoft.

242 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 13, 2015 4:30:53pm
243 Justanotherhuman  Apr 13, 2015 4:31:16pm

re: #241 Charles Johnson

The Governor of Texas links to Jim Hoft.

[Embedded content]

Grinning asshole.

244 Great White Snark  Apr 13, 2015 4:31:48pm

BTW not sure if we have any Armenian Lizards, but April 24th commemorates their holocaust from 1909. Yes very controversial if you speak for the Turkish government. I’d say the Pope did the right thing in his speech. Paged.

245 Gus  Apr 13, 2015 4:31:54pm

re: #234 CuriousLurker

Women didn’t have it too good either…

Western civilization waited well over 1,000 years to recognize women’s suffrage. And that happened just last century. This modern Western civilization took thousands of year to get things right and we’re still working on it and then look at Pakistan and expect them to change overnight.

246 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 13, 2015 4:31:58pm

re: #239 Alyosha

There’s lazers…

What if we tape about 500 laser pointers together, think that will do it?

RBS

247 b.d.  Apr 13, 2015 4:32:00pm

re: #217 Charles Johnson

New Ant-Man trailer makes it look a lot better than the earlier ones…

[Embedded content]

Video

I’m having a hard time snuggling up to the Marvel comic re-launch of Ant Man but the current cover (#004) is pretty awesome:

248 Charles Johnson  Apr 13, 2015 4:32:11pm
249 CuriousLurker  Apr 13, 2015 4:32:29pm

re: #238 FemNaziBitch

Women did have more rights (able to own property) later in the Republic, —maybe more the Empire stage.

Yeah, but I still wouldn’t wanna trade places with one of them. Hell, I wouldn’t even want to have traded places with my mom.

250 Gus  Apr 13, 2015 4:33:19pm

re: #248 Charles Johnson

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Oh boy.

251 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 13, 2015 4:33:21pm

re: #248 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

I love this reply..

Steve M. ‏@nomoremister 22h22 hours ago
You’re not commenter #48 in a Free Republic thread, you’re a governor. Act like one. @GregAbbott_TX

252 Alyosha  Apr 13, 2015 4:33:40pm

re: #246 RealityBasedSteve

What if we tape about 500 laser pointers together, think that will do it?

RBS

Shit, might’ve oversold it…

253 Kragar  Apr 13, 2015 4:33:44pm

Tacitus document a Centurion known by the nick name “Cedo Alteram”, “give me another”, based on his practice of beating his own troops with a baton until it broke, then asking for another.

Of course this practice eventually led to a mutiny.

254 FemNaziBitch  Apr 13, 2015 4:35:22pm

re: #244 Great White Snark

BTW not sure if we have any Armenian Lizards, but April 24th commemorates their holocaust from 1909. Yes very controversial if you speak for the Turkish government. I’d say the Pope did the right thing in his speech. Paged.

Yes, I agree. It is a long ignored crime.

255 FemNaziBitch  Apr 13, 2015 4:35:58pm

re: #249 CuriousLurker

Yeah, but I still wouldn’t wanna trade places with one of them. Hell, I wouldn’t even want to have traded places with my mom.

yup

256 FemNaziBitch  Apr 13, 2015 4:36:26pm

re: #246 RealityBasedSteve

What if we tape about 500 laser pointers together, think that will do it?

RBS

Didn’t MythBusters do a segment on that?

257 FemNaziBitch  Apr 13, 2015 4:37:39pm

re: #253 Kragar

Tacitus document a Centurion known by the nick name “Cedo Alteram”, “give me another”, based on his practice of beating his own troops with a baton until it broke, then asking for another.

Of course this practice eventually led to a mutiny.

I’ve tried to read Tacitus. I’ve tried to Listen to Tacitus.

I never seem to get very far into it.

258 FemNaziBitch  Apr 13, 2015 4:39:07pm

re: #235 RealityBasedSteve

I am betting that they are going to just power up slowly, like a diesel truck going up a mountain grade. It will take longer, but no g-force to deal with. (Haven’t quite figured out how they can carry enough fuel, but they can always add more fuel tanks)

RBS

Like a slow easy buzz?

259 Kragar  Apr 13, 2015 4:39:14pm

re: #257 FemNaziBitch

I’ve tried to read Tacitus. I’ve tried to Listen to Tacitus.

I never seem to get very far into it.

I actually remember that bit from reading Hans Delbruck’s “History of the Art of War”. Can’t recall if it was volume 1 or 2.

260 Thanos  Apr 13, 2015 4:39:49pm

re: #217 Charles Johnson

New Ant-Man trailer makes it look a lot better than the earlier ones…

[Embedded content]

Video

Looks great, I can’t wait.

261 Great White Snark  Apr 13, 2015 4:40:42pm

Well the most intimidating “Computer Virus/FBI has locked Your Computer” screen I ever saw was just now after mistyping drudgereport. Than you ctrl-alt-delete, damn browser was locked up.

262 CuriousLurker  Apr 13, 2015 4:40:59pm

Be nice, guys—sooner or later you’re gonna have to go to sleep:

263 FemNaziBitch  Apr 13, 2015 4:41:03pm

I forgot to pack my my laptop charger.

signing-off to conserve battery.

bbl

264 CuriousLurker  Apr 13, 2015 4:44:54pm

Annnnd the feline overlords say it’s dinnertime. Later, lizards.

265 Bubblehead II  Apr 13, 2015 5:17:27pm

re: #207 Charles Johnson

It’s time to take America back, and defeat the Washington machine while we rekindle the New American Century and build a stronger America.

WTF? You channeling Rand Paul all of the sudden? :-)

266 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 13, 2015 6:09:46pm

re: #217 Charles Johnson

New Ant-Man trailer makes it look a lot better than the earlier ones…

[Embedded content]

Video

I’ll watch it solely for the Thomas wreck…

267 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 14, 2015 7:13:37am

re: #249 CuriousLurker

Yeah, but I still wouldn’t wanna trade places with one of them. Hell, I wouldn’t even want to have traded places with my mom.

Celtic Briton women had far more rights (actual pretty mich equal with men) and the Romans could not understand or countenance that. The Roman distaste for female equality is what led to the Iceni revolt led by Boudicca.

(If I could change one thing in history, I would change the Iceni battle plan of the final battle which they lost, and attack before dawn. Eliminate the Roman shield wall…you eliminate the Roman advantage and chaos works towards Celtic individual fighting style.)


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