Why Are People Playing Dumb About Hillary’s Private Email Account?

There’s an obvious problem with this line of attack
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The big news today about Hillary Clinton is that GOP hatchet man Darrell Issa wrote to her two years ago and asked if she had used a private email account while serving as Secretary of State, but she never replied.

WASHINGTON — Hillary Rodham Clinton was directly asked by congressional investigators in a December 2012 letter whether she had used a private email account while serving as secretary of state, according to letters obtained by The New York Times.

But Mrs. Clinton did not reply to the letter. And when the State Department answered in March 2013, nearly two months after she left office, it ignored the question and provided no response.

But there’s a small problem with this “gotcha” story. If Clinton used her private email account exclusively for correspondence with government officials (as she has acknowledged), how could they not know it wasn’t a State Department account? The address would have been right there on every email she sent.

Am I missing something? Because this story looks foolish on its face.

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257 comments
1 darthstar  Apr 15, 2015 11:08:54am

Screw the emails, we’ve moved on to #CHIPOTLEGATE

2 Charles Johnson  Apr 15, 2015 11:10:26am
3 Kragar  Apr 15, 2015 11:10:39am

Checking an email address is beyond the technical skills of a member of Congress.

4 b.d.  Apr 15, 2015 11:11:50am

ARE YOU USING THE EMAIL ACCOUNT I AM SENDING THIS EMAIL TO?

5 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2015 11:12:41am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

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Chuck also has difficulty with the English language:

6 Eventual Carrion  Apr 15, 2015 11:13:00am

re: #4 b.d.

ARE YOU USING THE EMAIL ACCOUNT I AM SENDING THIS EMAIL TO?

One ringy dingy you have mail, two ringy dingies you have mail …

7 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2015 11:14:51am

Speaking Hillary…where’s Chuck’s big bombshell article that he promised on Monday?

8 Dr. Matt  Apr 15, 2015 11:17:21am

Hillary’s email is the 2015 faux outrage like Obama’s birth certificate back in 2008.

9 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2015 11:17:33am

I had a rather disconcerting experience at work last night. We had a team meeting which was really less of a team meeting and more our supervisor being nice and giving us a break from the production floor for awhile.

Anyway, eventually the topic turned to politics and suddenly almost everyone in the room (including the Supervisor) started throwing out right wing talking points about Obama and Hillary.

I stayed silent as I tend to do when these discussions arise.

I wonder if this is a common thing in the South or if ODS is really getting out of hand?

10 Targetpractice  Apr 15, 2015 11:23:29am

Emailgazigate is the new Whitewater, as in “If she wants to prove us wrong, she just has to hand over the server!” We’ll get this all the way through til next year and beyond if she’s elected, the idea that she’s not trustworthy because she won’t hand over the server for a “neutral” party to pick over.

Let’s think about that for a sec. We know about the server and we know about this letter now because of “leaks” from the House. Just what sort of fool believes that, if she handed over the server, any recovered data of a detrimental nature wouldn’t “leak” to the GOP’s nominee and then to the press?

11 Bubblehead II  Apr 15, 2015 11:23:32am

ROTFL!

12 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 15, 2015 11:24:10am

re: #6 Eventual Carrion

One ringy dingy you have mail, two ringy dingies you have mail …

“Have I reached the party to whom I am speaking?”

13 Mike Lamb  Apr 15, 2015 11:24:22am

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

Speaking Hillary…where’s Chuck’s big bombshell article that he promised on Monday?

He’s got Lionel Hutz checking on whether his plan is legal…

14 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 15, 2015 11:28:38am

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY (EARLY AFTERNOON EDITION)

15 Eventual Carrion  Apr 15, 2015 11:33:07am

re: #14 Lord Of The Pies

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY (EARLY AFTERNOON EDITION)

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Then maybe employers should pay for their employees clothing, medical, housing, food, etc. That could make up for it.

16 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 15, 2015 11:33:58am

re: #9 Eclectic Cyborg

Wow, this sucks.

17 Jack Burton  Apr 15, 2015 11:34:01am

re: #14 Lord Of The Pies

And I’ve done the math on it. They only time US military service members make less than minimum wage is when they are in boot camp.

18 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 15, 2015 11:34:36am

re: #14 Lord Of The Pies

What is this TCOT whining about?

19 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2015 11:35:29am

re: #17 Jack Burton

And I’ve done the math on it. They only time US military service members make less than minimum wage is when they are in boot camp.

I was just about to ask…

Not to mention all the perks they get besides a paycheck.

20 Targetpractice  Apr 15, 2015 11:35:51am

re: #14 Lord Of The Pies

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY (EARLY AFTERNOON EDITION)

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How many of those burger flippers do you think would kill to have no taxes taken out of their paychecks for months at a stretch?

21 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 15, 2015 11:36:40am

re: #13 Mike Lamb

He’s got Lionel Hutz checking on whether his plan is legal…

In the meantime, would you like to hear about how many awards UpChuck won in middle school?

22 Jack Burton  Apr 15, 2015 11:38:12am

re: #19 Eclectic Cyborg

I was just about to ask…

Not to mention all the perks they get besides a paycheck.

After boot camp, they get (If you think of them as salaried employees on 24 hour-call), the equivalent of about $9/hour. Then they get free room and board, free medical, etc. on top of that.

Federal minimum wage is still $7.25/hour at the time of this post.

23 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 15, 2015 11:40:09am

re: #15 Eventual Carrion

Then maybe employers should pay for their employees clothing, medical, housing, food, etc. That could make up for it.

If wingnuts SUPPORT THE TROOPS!!!! as much as their memes full of flags, eagles, guns & colonial dudes, they would WANT to raise the wage for military, but then they would lose their poor-shaming talking point.

24 Targetpractice  Apr 15, 2015 11:40:43am

re: #22 Jack Burton

After boot camp, they get (If you think of them as salaried employees on 24 hour-call), the equivalent of about $9/hour. Then they get free room and board, free medical, etc. on top of that.

Federal minimum wage is still $7.25/hour at the time of this post.

As well as free medical care for life, financial aid to obtain a college education, and if they stay in long enough a pension as well. Not a 401K, an actual pension that will pay out til the day they die.

25 Lidane  Apr 15, 2015 11:42:39am

THIS ASSHOLE:

26 Mike Lamb  Apr 15, 2015 11:43:06am

re: #14 Lord Of The Pies

Aside from your salient point that soldiers are underpaid (in terms of a wage), what’s the total comp package when factoring in housing, meals, insurance, etc. etc.?

27 Jack Burton  Apr 15, 2015 11:45:43am

re: #25 Lidane

Rand Paul: No to DREAM Act; Yes to repealing 14th Amendment’s birthright citizenship provision bit.ly

…

28 aagcobb  Apr 15, 2015 11:45:43am

re: #14 Lord Of The Pies

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY (EARLY AFTERNOON EDITION)

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Speaking of minimum wage, I love this storyof a CEO cutting his own pay to $70k, and making it the minimum wage for his company. We need more raises, corporate America!

29 b_sharp  Apr 15, 2015 11:46:07am

I can send my emails through a secondary SMTP server that will add its tag. I can also set up my private SMTP server to fake the sending SMTP tag.

At one time I was sending emails from firstnationadmin.ca and the receiver would see them as firstnation.ca emails.

30 Jack Burton  Apr 15, 2015 11:47:22am

re: #28 aagcobb

Speaking of minimum wage, I love this storyof a CEO cutting his own pay to $70k, and making it the minimum wage for his company. We need more raises, corporate America!

At the company I work for the former CEO (she recently retired) made less than I did at the time. She had a self-imposed wage cap that she stuck to for decades.

31 Targetpractice  Apr 15, 2015 11:47:37am

re: #25 Lidane

THIS ASSHOLE:

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I don’t think you’ll find a Republican candidate, either announced or potential, who is not prepared to kick the DREAMers out.

32 Kragar  Apr 15, 2015 11:47:55am

re: #14 Lord Of The Pies

How many minimum wage employees have 100% coverage for all their dental and medical bills, have free housing and access to facilities providing free meals 3 times a day?

33 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 15, 2015 11:49:38am

re: #25 Lidane

THIS ASSHOLE:

“Heck, while we’re at it, let’s just repeal the 14th and 15th Amendments. And the 16th and 17th as well. Freedom.”

/

34 Targetpractice  Apr 15, 2015 11:50:26am

re: #33 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

“Heck, while we’re at it, let’s just repeal the 14th and 15th Amendments. And the 16th and 17th as well. Freedom.”

/

Don’t give them ideas.

35 aagcobb  Apr 15, 2015 11:50:39am

re: #25 Lidane

THIS ASSHOLE:

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Yes, what we need is a permanent, unassimilated underclass of people who can never hope for a better life for themselves and their kids. Asshole.

36 Jack Burton  Apr 15, 2015 11:51:21am

re: #33 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

“Heck, while we’re at it, let’s just repeal the 14th and 15th Amendments. And the 16th and 17th as well. Freedom.”

/

They do want to repeal the 17th amendment. Basically boils down to “States Rights” bullshit with only a sliver of legitimate Federalism concerns.

37 Kragar  Apr 15, 2015 11:52:54am

re: #35 aagcobb

Yes, what we need is a permanent, unassimilated underclass of people who can never hope for a better life for themselves and their kids. Asshole.

And what does Rand intend to use as citizenship criteria? Pure bloods lines, land ownership, military service?

38 retired cynic  Apr 15, 2015 11:52:56am

re: #24 Targetpractice

As well as free medical care for life, financial aid to obtain a college education, and if they stay in long enough a pension as well. Not a 401K, an actual pension that will pay out til the day they die.

Well. I tried to get medical help (maybe 25 years ago) for my husband, who served honorably in the Navy during the Korean War, and was told sorry, there was a long waiting list. Bye, bye! He’s never had any medical assistance from them. Maybe it is better now, but it sure didn’t work for us then!

39 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2015 11:54:12am

re: #28 aagcobb

Speaking of minimum wage, I love this storyof a CEO cutting his own pay to $70k, and making it the minimum wage for his company. We need more raises, corporate America!

I came across that story on a right wing site where all the responses were along the lines of:

This guy is a moron and doesn’t have a clue how to run a company! He’ll be out of business in 5 years! Dur hur!

40 Mike Lamb  Apr 15, 2015 11:54:31am

re: #37 Kragar

And what criteria does Rand intend to use as citizenship criteria? Pure bloods lines, land ownership, military service?

Party affiliation…

41 Jack Burton  Apr 15, 2015 11:54:39am

re: #38 retired cynic

We never said it was of good quality, just that it’s free. You have to put up with a metric shit ton of red tape and several flaming hoops to jump through, but it’s still better than a minimum wage job with no benefits.

42 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2015 11:54:58am

Also, if you repeal the birthright provision…how exactly does one become a U.S. citizen? Is Rand suggesting every person born in this country would need to APPLY for citizenship just like I, as an immigrant, had to?

43 retired cynic  Apr 15, 2015 11:55:59am

re: #41 Jack Burton

We never said it was of good quality, just that it’s free. You have to put up with a metric shit ton of red tape and several flaming hoops to jump through, but it’s still better than a minimum wage job with no benefits.

I wasn’t referring to quality. They just flat turned us down and said they weren’t accepting new patients. Unless we moved to another state (and took the farm with us?), that was that.

44 Sinistershade  Apr 15, 2015 11:56:34am

re: #37 Kragar

And what criteria does Rand intend to use as citizenship criteria? Pure bloods lines, land ownership, military service?

Well, first, you have to be lighter than a brown paper bag…

45 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2015 11:56:35am

re: #43 retired cynic

I wasn’t referring to quality. They just flat turned us down and said they weren’t accepting new patients. Unless we moved to another state (and took the farm with us?), that was that.

Was this a VA hospital or VA facility?

46 Lidane  Apr 15, 2015 11:56:52am

re: #31 Targetpractice

I don’t think you’ll find a Republican candidate, either announced or potential, who is not prepared to kick the DREAMers out.

IIRC during the Christie blab-a-thon (i.e., the town hall) I was watching here in the office he pointed out that we don’t have the manpower to round up and deport everybody here illegally and that we will never truly stop illegal immigration. I think he said something about a guest worker program, which will not do him any favors with the drooling wingnuts in the GOP base, but which would be a pragmatic stance in the general election.

47 retired cynic  Apr 15, 2015 11:56:57am

VA office for central Illinois.

48 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2015 11:57:00am

re: #37 Kragar

And what does Rand intend to use as citizenship criteria? Pure bloods lines, land ownership, military service?

Jesus!

49 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 15, 2015 11:57:10am

Please proceed heritage….

50 Jack Burton  Apr 15, 2015 11:57:47am

re: #42 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, if you repeal the birthright provision…how exactly does one become a U.S. citizen? Is Rand suggesting every person born in this country would need to APPLY for citizenship just like I, as an immigrant, had to?

I’d imagine it works out to something like this in his head. Because fuck you.

What’s your name?

“Bob Johnson”

Welcome citizen. Here’s where you go to vote.

What’s your name?

“Enrico Salazar”

Get on the bus foreigner…

51 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2015 11:57:54am

re: #47 retired cynic

VA office for central Illinois.

I heard some nightmare tales about the VA hospital near where I live too. I’ll be the first one to say that government run healthcare isn’t perfect but for them to outright turn you down is messed up.

We need better resources available to veterans in this country.

52 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 15, 2015 11:58:04am
53 Kragar  Apr 15, 2015 11:58:50am
54 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2015 11:59:03am

re: #50 Jack Burton

I’d imagine it works out to something like this in his head. Because fuck you.

What’s your name?

“Bob Johnson”

Welcome citizen. Here’s where you go to vote.

What’s your name?

“Enrico Salazar”

Get on the bus foreigner…

Or…

What’s your name?

“Mohammed El-shib”

“TERRORIST! Officers, arrest this man!!”

55 Targetpractice  Apr 15, 2015 11:59:28am

re: #42 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, if you repeal the birthright provision…how exactly does one become a U.S. citizen? Is Rand suggesting every person born in this country would need to APPLY for citizenship just like I, as an immigrant, had to?

Because such a policy has worked so well for Europe, particularly France, where you have legions of youths born to refugees who are not French by birth, but also cannot claim citizenship in the country their parents fled, and thus are effectively stateless. They feel no connection to France, no duty to it, but are still expected to pay its taxes, obey its laws, and put up with the shit of native Frenchmen who look down on this underclass.

Or, as ISIS calls them, “recruits.”

56 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2015 11:59:33am
57 nearly-headless smith25  Apr 15, 2015 12:00:56pm

re: #42 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, if you repeal the birthright provision…how exactly does one become a U.S. citizen? Is Rand suggesting every person born in this country would need to APPLY for citizenship just like I, as an immigrant, had to?

What some would prefer…

58 retired cynic  Apr 15, 2015 12:01:28pm

re: #51 Eclectic Cyborg

I heard some nightmare tales about the VA hospital near where I live too. I’ll be the first one to say that government run healthcare isn’t perfect but for them to outright turn you down is messed up.

We need better resources available to veterans in this country.

I’m going to try again, and hope I have better luck getting him to be eligible for a Veterans home if we get to that, because he has advanced Parkinson’s.

59 Jay C  Apr 15, 2015 12:02:28pm
Because this story looks foolish on its face.

And this makes it different from most (if not all) of the “Hillary Clinton scandal” nonsense just HOW?

60 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 15, 2015 12:02:43pm

Shari Moon Zombie avi has blocked me. Whatever shall I do?

61 retired cynic  Apr 15, 2015 12:02:48pm

Sorry to leave in a conversation, but I have an appointment! BBL

62 #FergusonFireside  Apr 15, 2015 12:04:39pm

re: #56 Backwoods_Sleuth

I would vote for Robert Reich for anything.

63 Dr Lizardo  Apr 15, 2015 12:05:27pm

re: #60 Lord Of The Pies

Shari Moon Zombie avi has blocked me. Whatever shall I do?

What gets me is that those who argue against a minimum wage increase don’t seem to realize is that if the minimum wage was indexed to inflation, it would be around $15 p/h right now.

64 freetoken  Apr 15, 2015 12:08:23pm

re: #56 Backwoods_Sleuth

As I’ve written before, I’m not a big supporter of this idea that making a minimum wage a value = $X as the central theme in addressing the economics of America in 2015.

Reich likes the publicity but I think the cause is based more on emotion. It’s a wrapped-up-meme inside of a meme.

Wage and price controls don’t have that shiny of a reputation.

I’d rather the focus be put on taxation, on the rise of more and more regressive taxes (e.g. sales taxes) and the under-requirement of taxation on wealth and the artifices of “capital gains”.

65 Decatur Deb  Apr 15, 2015 12:08:37pm

re: #56 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’s one of the three I would want for President. Never gonna happen.

66 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2015 12:09:15pm

re: #57 nearly-headless smith25

What some would prefer…

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It shocking how accurate that is.

67 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 15, 2015 12:09:25pm

re: #63 Dr Lizardo

What gets me is that those who argue against a minimum wage increase don’t seem to realize is that if the minimum wage was indexed to inflation, it would be around $15 p/h right now.

It would be $21/hr but that’s from Huff Post THAT’S TEH LIBRUL MEDIA!!!!!!!

68 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 15, 2015 12:09:31pm

re: #52 Lord Of The Pies

Hurr hurr I werk so hard at my job don’t have time for Twitter1!!1

69 freetoken  Apr 15, 2015 12:11:51pm

This whole thing about Hillary and email escapes me. I’ve not followed it closely enough to understand what the issue is supposed to be.

The motive of the GOP henchmen is clear, it’s just the MacGuffin that I don’t grok.

70 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 15, 2015 12:11:54pm

re: #49 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Please proceed heritage….

Will this include UpChuck’s all important Vetted mark?

/

71 Decatur Deb  Apr 15, 2015 12:13:10pm

re: #67 Lord Of The Pies

It would be $21/hr but that’s from Huff Post THAT’S TEH LIBRUL MEDIA!!!!!!!

Index it to congressional pay.

72 freetoken  Apr 15, 2015 12:14:21pm

Speaking of taxes… today my wallet is $1k lighter.

Usually I feel better when I lose weight.

73 Doofus  Apr 15, 2015 12:18:02pm

From the ashes of the failed primary run of former Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton will rise a phoenix, Senator Elizabeth Warren.

74 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 15, 2015 12:18:43pm

re: #64 freetoken

As I’ve written before, I’m not a big supporter of this idea that making a minimum wage a value = $X as the central theme in addressing the economics of America in 2015.

I do not like the fact that many minimum wage workers still receive government aid to the tune of up to $150 billion annually, which means that taxpayers are de facto subsidizing wages.

75 Timothy Watson  Apr 15, 2015 12:18:51pm

re: #72 freetoken

Speaking of taxes… today my wallet is $1k lighter.

Usually I feel better when I lose weight.

Thanks, you paid for part of my refund back in February. :)

76 Dr Lizardo  Apr 15, 2015 12:21:08pm

And with that, goodnight, Lizards.

77 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 15, 2015 12:21:21pm

re: #72 freetoken

Speaking of taxes… today my wallet is $1k lighter.

Usually I feel better when I lose weight.

Our refund hit today.

I know where your weight went.

78 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2015 12:22:45pm

Our refund is the return of what’s left over from our 100% interest-free loan to the government.

79 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2015 12:23:09pm

re: #74 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I do not like the fact that many minimum wage workers still receive government aid to the tune of up to $150 billion annually, which means that taxpayers are de facto subsidizing wages.

Hey better the taxpayers deal with it than risk precious corporate profits!

/

80 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 15, 2015 12:23:32pm

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

Our refund is the return of what’s left over from our 100% interest-free loan to the government.

Technically true, but I generally consider it worth it to avoid paying them interest because the income level fluctuated again.

81 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2015 12:23:59pm

re: #80 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Technically true, but I generally consider it worth it to avoid paying them interest because the income level fluctuated again.

indeed.

82 Lidane  Apr 15, 2015 12:26:10pm

re: #72 freetoken

It cost me more to file than it did to pay. That pissed me off.

83 CuriousLurker  Apr 15, 2015 12:26:28pm

From Gus, LOL:

Someone get Alex Jones on the phone, stat!

84 Ace-o-aces  Apr 15, 2015 12:28:16pm

re: #83 CuriousLurker

85 calochortus  Apr 15, 2015 12:28:30pm

re: #80 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Technically true, but I generally consider it worth it to avoid paying them interest because the income level fluctuated again.

Except I believe that if you pay as least as much as you did last year, even if it isn’t 90% of your tax due, you’re OK. However, I am in no way a tax professional, so you might want to check that before putting it into practice.

86 calochortus  Apr 15, 2015 12:30:22pm

re: #83 CuriousLurker

Because I think we all know there is no reason why Marines would be anywhere near Camp Pendleton…
/

87 BeachDem  Apr 15, 2015 12:31:27pm

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

Our refund is the return of what’s left over from our 100% interest-free loan to the government.

I selected an arbitrary number that equaled my checking account balance minus 20% and sent it in along with an extension form. I’m pretty sure I owe less than that, but better safe than sorry—now I can wait 5 month and 29 days before getting serious about my actual return! (Actually, I’m just going to wait a few weeks till the dust settles at my accountant’s office and throw myself on the mercy of his understanding that I’m a doofus about taxes.)

88 CuriousLurker  Apr 15, 2015 12:32:05pm

re: #80 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Technically true, but I generally consider it worth it to avoid paying them interest because the income level fluctuated again.

You don’t have to worry about any of that. America is over and the redistribution has commenced. //

89 Targetpractice  Apr 15, 2015 12:32:18pm

re: #83 CuriousLurker

From Gus, LOL:

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Someone get Alex Jones on the phone, stat!

I was just about to ask if Alex Jones knows what’s going down?

90 Kilroy01  Apr 15, 2015 12:32:52pm

re: #84 Ace-o-aces

91 Ace-o-aces  Apr 15, 2015 12:33:23pm

re: #86 calochortus

Because I think we all know there is no reason why Marines would be anywhere near Camp Pendleton…
/

Seriously though, if they were forced to land, there are so many better places to put down near there (like, the Del Mar Fairgrounds. You know, large empty field. Or the wetland preserves).

92 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 15, 2015 12:33:37pm

re: #85 calochortus

Except I believe that if you pay as least as much as you did last year, even if it isn’t 90% of your tax due, you’re OK. However, I am in no way a tax professional, so you might want to check that before putting it into practice.

It’s …complicated, and depends on your income bracket to boot. The short summary:

Your total tax payments made before before January 15th must add up to the lessor of these two amounts:

90 percent of the tax you owe for the current year, or
100 percent of the tax you owed for last year. If your 2012 adjusted gross income was more than $150,000 (more than $75,000 if married filing separately,) substitute 110 percent for 100 percent.

In general meeting the number means that we end up with some sort of refund, depending on how much over we were. It is still preferable to a significant penalty.

(ETA: Summary from here. I don’t feel like stabbing my eyes out to find the IRS version.)

93 Timothy Watson  Apr 15, 2015 12:34:53pm

In re helicopter on the Capitol grounds: Someone needs to get Mathias Rust to comment on this. What a complete clusterfrak.

94 calochortus  Apr 15, 2015 12:36:36pm

re: #92 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It’s …complicated,
.

There. I fixed for you. Mercifully, our taxes aren’t hugely complicated-and even better-Mr. Calochortus does them.

95 Eventual Carrion  Apr 15, 2015 12:42:55pm

re: #37 Kragar

And what does Rand intend to use as citizenship criteria? Pure bloods lines, land ownership, military service?

Would you like to know more?

96 Decatur Deb  Apr 15, 2015 12:48:05pm

re: #90 Kilroy01

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1st Cav patch is a nice touch.

97 calochortus  Apr 15, 2015 12:48:25pm

re: #91 Ace-o-aces

Seriously though, if they were forced to land, there are so many better places to put down near there (like, the Del Mar Fairgrounds. You know, large empty field. Or the wetland preserves).

They were thought to be leaking fuel, so the wetlands wouldn’t be a good choice, and they do tend to fly up and down the beaches or just offshore, so the beach probably looked good. Not a great spot for leaking fuel, but better than the wetlands. I don’t know how close they were to the fairgrounds, but that could have been a good choice.

98 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 15, 2015 12:51:18pm

hillary email

placeholder scandal until something with bite comes along or is fabricated

“you are the benghazi of the earth, but, if the benghazi has lost its savor, what then?”

99 allegro  Apr 15, 2015 12:52:58pm

re: #98 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

hillary email

placeholder scandal until something with bite comes along or is fabricated

“you are the benghazi of the earth, but, if the benghazi has lost its savor, what then?”

Add salt.

100 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 15, 2015 12:55:08pm

re: #99 allegro

Add salt.

i hear earth salt is very artisan and stuff

101 BeachDem  Apr 15, 2015 12:55:31pm

I love my accountant for his calm, unflappable attitude. He just called me (3:51 EDT) to say, “We’re kind of getting down to the wire—do you still need me to do your taxes?” I told him I’d sent in some random $ and an extension form and I could just hear him shaking his head in wonder at my attention to detail! But I was pretty impressed that he still would have done them today if I’d asked him to.

102 Decatur Deb  Apr 15, 2015 12:57:04pm

For the record, Charlie does surf now:

wannasurf.com

103 Sionainn  Apr 15, 2015 1:00:26pm

re: #3 Kragar

Checking an email address is beyond the technical skills of a member of Congress.

It only requires them to be able to read. Oh, hey, literacy tests for members of Congress before they can be sworn in!

104 leftynyc  Apr 15, 2015 1:02:07pm

Wasn’t a big fan of PETA before and this isn’t helping:

thinkprogress.org

A controversial, anti-immigrant Arizona sheriff and a former Baywatch star will join together at a press conference Wednesday to promote an all-vegetarian diet for prisoners nationwide. In 2013, the Maricopa County jail system, run by the self-proclaimed “America’s Toughest Sheriff” Joe Arpaio, became the first in the nation to serve meat-free meals to prisoners. Pamela Anderson is an animal-rights activist representing People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) as a spokeswoman.

Do the same clowns who cheer saving $200,000 feeding the prisoners like animals appreciate this vile sheriff has cost them tens of millions of dollars in penalties for his actions?

105 blueraven  Apr 15, 2015 1:05:25pm

See, they are pro-choice. ///

106 leftynyc  Apr 15, 2015 1:07:38pm

Speaking of Sheriff Joe:

azcentral.com

A three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals largely upheld a federal judge’s ruling against the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office in a racial-profiling case, according to a statement filed Wednesday.

In 2013, U.S. District Judge G. Murray Snow found Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s deputies had disproportionately targeted Latinos during their traffic operations. The ruling extended to both regular and “saturation” patrols, where deputies would flood predominantly Hispanic neighborhoods.

Arpaio’s subsequent appeal did not contest the saturation patrol finding, only the portion dealing with regular patrols.

107 calochortus  Apr 15, 2015 1:08:13pm

BBL

108 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 15, 2015 1:13:22pm

re: #10 Targetpractice

Emailgazigate is the new Whitewater, as in “If she wants to prove us wrong, she just has to hand over the server!” We’ll get this all the way through til next year and beyond if she’s elected, the idea that she’s not trustworthy because she won’t hand over the server for a “neutral” party to pick over.

Let’s think about that for a sec. We know about the server and we know about this letter now because of “leaks” from the House. Just what sort of fool believes that, if she handed over the server, any recovered data of a detrimental nature wouldn’t “leak” to the GOP’s nominee and then to the press?

The server is sitting under the box that contains Mitt Romney’s tax returns.
//

109 darthstar  Apr 15, 2015 1:13:29pm

Okay, so now that I’ve watched seven or eight episodes of @Daredevil, I have to say, this is a pretty good fucking series. I hope they film a bunch more before I watch the remaining five episodes.

110 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 15, 2015 1:14:03pm

Adobe, I just want to fucking deactivate the serial number so that I can reactivate it later if I need to reinstall.

And now I’m stuck in your chat room support to try and sort this out because your software can’t even manage that.

111 Charles Johnson  Apr 15, 2015 1:15:39pm

re: #109 darthstar

Okay, so now that I’ve watched seven or eight episodes of @Daredevil, I have to say, this is a pretty good fucking series. I hope they film a bunch more before I watch the remaining five episodes.

I finished it last night - it’s one of the best shows (movie OR TV) ever made from a Marvel comic character.

Hope it doesn’t take too long for the second season to appear.

112 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 15, 2015 1:15:58pm

re: #35 aagcobb

Yes, what we need is a permanent, unassimilated underclass of people who can never hope for a better life for themselves and their kids. Asshole.

Sounds like a great way to build up a potential 5th column. Offer them no hope and their hope will turn to other ends.
/

113 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 15, 2015 1:17:16pm

re: #40 Mike Lamb

Party affiliation…

Hmm… what other places really required party affiliation in order to get ahead in any thing. Can’t think of any off the top of my head.
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114 Lidane  Apr 15, 2015 1:18:37pm

re: #111 Charles Johnson

I finished it last night - it’s one of the best shows (movie OR TV) ever made from a Marvel comic character.

Agreed. Daredevil is really, really well done. Plus, it’s got a Mighty Duck:

Heh.

Hope it doesn’t take too long for the second season to appear.

Definitely. I’m a fan. I can’t wait to see where they take the series from here.

115 Kragar  Apr 15, 2015 1:18:41pm

re: #111 Charles Johnson

I finished it last night - it’s one of the best shows (movie OR TV) ever made from a Marvel comic character.

Hope it doesn’t take too long for the second season to appear.

I’m thinking the Punisher would be a good fit for a anti-hero/antagonist in the 2nd Season based on the format they come up with in the 1st Season. Its hard to pull off the Punisher in 2 hr movie, but it could work in the 12-13 episode arcs they use

116 darthstar  Apr 15, 2015 1:19:48pm

re: #111 Charles Johnson

I finished it last night - it’s one of the best shows (movie OR TV) ever made from a Marvel comic character.

Hope it doesn’t take too long for the second season to appear.

The fight scene at the end of episode 2 with the Russians and the kidnapped kid was pretty fucking brutal. Also, D’Onofrio and a car door…not to be fucked with.

117 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 15, 2015 1:20:19pm

re: #110 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Adobe, I just want to fucking deactivate the serial number so that I can reactivate it later if I need to reinstall.

And now I’m stuck in your chat room support to try and sort this out because your software can’t even manage that.

…they say they can’t do it either, and it would just be automatically deactivated on uninstall. Which is I suppose why it has a huge warning about deactivating it on the uninstall screen.

Whatever, I will leave Dreamweaver installed on the off chance I ever want to use it ever and uninstall the rest of it in favor of keeping CS6 versions of those.

118 Kragar  Apr 15, 2015 1:20:22pm

re: #116 darthstar

The fight scene at the end of episode 2 with the Russians and the kidnapped kid was pretty fucking brutal. Also, D’Onofrio and a car door…not to be fucked with.

“YOU EMBARRASSED ME!”

119 b_sharp  Apr 15, 2015 1:20:55pm

re: #109 darthstar

Okay, so now that I’ve watched seven or eight episodes of @Daredevil, I have to say, this is a pretty good fucking series. I hope they film a bunch more before I watch the remaining five episodes.

I really like it. I just finished episode 7.
Not enough nudity though.

120 darthstar  Apr 15, 2015 1:21:43pm

re: #114 Lidane

Agreed. Daredevil is really, really well done. Plus, it’s got a Mighty Duck:

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Heh.

Definitely. I’m a fan. I can’t wait to see where they take the series from here.

The opening credits seem to have taken a page from Game of Thrones - similar music, and the bleeding animation of Hell’s Kitchen is like the animated models of Westeros coming up in GoT.

121 allegro  Apr 15, 2015 1:21:50pm

re: #111 Charles Johnson

I finished it last night - it’s one of the best shows (movie OR TV) ever made from a Marvel comic character.

Hope it doesn’t take too long for the second season to appear.

What impressed me the most - besides Vincent D’Onofrio’s exquisite performance - is that it isn’t a superhero story so much as it is a very human story. Every character, including the villain, is so frail and vulnerable. Serious masterpiece of writing.

122 darthstar  Apr 15, 2015 1:22:06pm

re: #119 b_sharp

I really like it. I just finished episode 7.
Not enough nudity though.

Watch it naked.

123 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 15, 2015 1:23:12pm

re: #82 Lidane

It cost me more to file than it did to pay. That pissed me off.

I’m not complaining about my taxes. I happen to have investments and they did very well last year. So the Feds are taking a cut*.

First world problems. I have income, a steady job, a place to sleep, internet access, etc. etc. Things could be a whole lot worse. Would I like to keep more of it? Sure, just about everyone would. But I also appreciate having a social safety net, roads, public services, etc.

* - But at a lower percentage than they hit wage income. Of course.

124 Lidane  Apr 15, 2015 1:24:32pm

re: #115 Kragar

I’m thinking the Punisher would be a good fit for a anti-hero/antagonist in the 2nd Season based on the format they come up with in the 1st Season. Its hard to pull off the Punisher in 2 hr movie, but it could work in the 12-13 episode arcs they use

Punisher would be interesting. I’d also like to see them use the Ultimate version of Moon Knight in a future Daredevil season just because. I think they could do a lot with it.

125 b_sharp  Apr 15, 2015 1:25:30pm

re: #122 darthstar

Watch it naked.

That would scare the neighbors.

126 Kragar  Apr 15, 2015 1:26:15pm

re: #121 allegro

What impressed me the most - besides Vincent D’Onofrio’s exquisite performance - is that it isn’t a superhero story so much as it is a very human story. Every character, including the villain, is so frail and vulnerable. Serious masterpiece of writing.

I like they dropped in so many subtle clues to other things without belaboring the point with “LOOK AT THIS” moments.

Fisk had his benefit at the Van Lunt building and they joked about his astrologist.

Cornelious Van Lunt was the super villain Taurus.

They joked about the Greek girl Murdock dated in college.

Elektra was Greek.

127 darthstar  Apr 15, 2015 1:27:59pm

re: #125 b_sharp

That would scare the neighbors.

Okay, maybe don’t watch it naked on an iPad sitting in a lounge chair in the front yard.

128 Eventual Carrion  Apr 15, 2015 1:28:02pm

re: #108 Feline Fearless Leader

The server is sitting under the box that contains Mitt Romney’s tax returns.
//

And probably has the Bush/Cheney lost emails backed up on it also.

129 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 15, 2015 1:28:33pm

This, is an automobile. It is the 1911 FIAT S76, known at the time as the Beast of Turin. It was unofficially the fastest car in the world more than 100 ears ago. It runs a 28 liter (1708 cu in) four cylinder engine. Recently restored, you can see, and hear, it thundering down an English back road for the first time in 100 years HERE.

130 darthstar  Apr 15, 2015 1:29:02pm
131 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 15, 2015 1:29:44pm
Annoyed Cat
132 Lidane  Apr 15, 2015 1:31:16pm

re: #126 Kragar

I like they dropped in so many subtle clues to other things without belaboring the point with “LOOK AT THIS” moments.

133 Jenner7  Apr 15, 2015 1:32:28pm

re: #129 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Reminds me of The Great Race…

134 Timothy Watson  Apr 15, 2015 1:33:44pm

re: #111 Charles Johnson

I finished it last night - it’s one of the best shows (movie OR TV) ever made from a Marvel comic character.

Hope it doesn’t take too long for the second season to appear.

No Netflix here: Where are the Blu-rays?

135 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 15, 2015 1:33:46pm

re: #133 Jenner7

Reminds me of The Great Race…

If Max presses the button maybe it splits open and a smaller car comes out.
:)

136 Justanotherhuman  Apr 15, 2015 1:34:05pm

These people playing dumb about Hillary’s Private Email Account.

Are they the same ones who still can’t go to the bathroom by themselves?

137 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 15, 2015 1:35:23pm

re: #133 Jenner7

Reminds me of The Great Race…

Ran a JAP grasstrack bike back in the early Seventies. I thought that was a thumper.

138 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 15, 2015 1:39:09pm

While I’m going all historical, today marks the 103rd anniversary of the sinking of the RMS Titanic.

139 b_sharp  Apr 15, 2015 1:40:44pm

re: #127 darthstar

Okay, maybe don’t watch it naked on an iPad sitting in a lounge chair in the front yard.

Yah, take the fun out of everything.

140 Justanotherhuman  Apr 15, 2015 1:46:12pm

Idiot.

Gyrocopter lands on Capitol’s West Lawn in apparent protest; pilot arrested

Read more: wjla.com

(snip)

“Capitol Police didn’t immediately identify the pilot or comment on his motive, but a 61-year-old Florida postal carrier named Doug Hughes took responsibility for the stunt on a website where he said he was delivering letters to all 535 members of Congress in order to draw attention to campaign finance corruption.

“As I have informed the authorities, I have no violent inclinations or intent,” Hughes wrote on his website, thedemocracyclub.org. “An ultralight aircraft poses no major physical threat - it may present a political threat to graft. I hope so. There’s no need to worry - I’m just delivering the mail.”“

“Hughes had contemplated the plan for more than two years, according to the a report by the Tampa Bay Times newspaper” More

141 Justanotherhuman  Apr 15, 2015 1:54:02pm

I didn’t even know he was going to be in Charlotte. And it did rain, all damned day.

142 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2015 2:01:08pm

Apparently Chuck doesn’t know that people already pay HBO for Game of Thrones and they can watch it on demand.

but he doesn’t mind admitting that he’s a thief and proud of it:

143 Justanotherhuman  Apr 15, 2015 2:03:35pm

No doubt there will be more—the season is very, very early.

Survey: 92 Democratic lawmakers endorse Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential bid, @thehill reports

thehill.com

144 No Country For Old Haters  Apr 15, 2015 2:05:39pm

re: #142 Backwoods_Sleuth

Apparently Chuck doesn’t know that people already pay HBO for Game of Thrones and they can watch it on demand.

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145 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 15, 2015 2:07:35pm

Protest in Philly currently blocking JFK Blvd lanes crossing the Schuylkill River. Already causing some massive traffic snarls in that part of Center City.

Presumably part of the minimum wage protests going on in multiple cities today.

146 CuriousLurker  Apr 15, 2015 2:10:10pm

re: #144 No Country For Old Haters

Not that I’d ever waste my money on anything he writes, but I’m fairly certain that if a pirated copy of his book was being distributed he’d be squealing like a stuck pig and threatening lawsuits.

147 Kragar  Apr 15, 2015 2:10:52pm
148 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2015 2:14:30pm

LOLOLOL:

149 Ace-o-aces  Apr 15, 2015 2:14:49pm

Way to prioritize there Hamas. Can’t think of anything else that needs fixing in Gaza?

150 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2015 2:15:04pm

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOL:

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Or maybe marry someone who has a real job and sponge off of her and her parents.

151 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 15, 2015 2:15:12pm

re: #147 Kragar

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The next plan is to implement the more lucrative model of charging people to *not* send him information.
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152 Ace-o-aces  Apr 15, 2015 2:16:41pm

re: #146 CuriousLurker

Not that I’d ever waste my money on anything he writes, but I’m fairly certain that if a pirated copy of his book was being distributed he’d be squealing like a stuck pig and threatening lawsuits.

He’s committed a crime. By his own logic, it’s OK to shoot him now.

153 No Country For Old Haters  Apr 15, 2015 2:16:48pm

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOL:

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154 No Country For Old Haters  Apr 15, 2015 2:17:49pm

re: #152 Ace-o-aces

He’s committed a crime. By his own logic, it’s OK to shoot him now.

I still don’t want to shoot him, unless you have some kind of self-awareness ray that would make him realize how awful he is and change his ways.

155 Kragar  Apr 15, 2015 2:22:44pm

re: #153 No Country For Old Haters

156 thedopefishlives  Apr 15, 2015 2:32:55pm

Evening Lizardim.

157 Kragar  Apr 15, 2015 2:36:50pm
158 thedopefishlives  Apr 15, 2015 2:39:35pm

re: #157 Kragar

Wut.

159 Jenner7  Apr 15, 2015 2:40:25pm

Welp. That’s it. She’s lost. Game over. Everybody go home.

160 Lidane  Apr 15, 2015 2:40:30pm

I can feel my arteries clogging just by looking at this:

161 Kragar  Apr 15, 2015 2:40:51pm
162 HappyWarrior  Apr 15, 2015 2:42:29pm

re: #159 Jenner7

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Welp. That’s it. She’s lost. Game over. Everybody go home.

I wasn’t even aware Chipolte had a tip jar.

163 Lidane  Apr 15, 2015 2:42:40pm

re: #161 Kragar

Their pro-bigotry law would never have been a big story if they’d been smart enough to wait until AFTER the Final Four to sign it.

164 Lidane  Apr 15, 2015 2:44:41pm

My excuse is that I don’t play the drums. Heh.

165 Kragar  Apr 15, 2015 2:46:57pm
166 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2015 2:51:01pm

oh dear:

167 Kragar  Apr 15, 2015 2:53:25pm

re: #166 Backwoods_Sleuth

I question a system where a Coast Guard veteran with a broken tail light ends up dead yet an amazing specimen like that gets taken alive.

168 Lidane  Apr 15, 2015 2:56:09pm

re: #166 Backwoods_Sleuth

He seems nice.

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169 HappyWarrior  Apr 15, 2015 3:00:30pm

re: #166 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh dear:

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I swear that guy is an ugly tattoed and shaved head version of my brother. My brother doesn’t have a goat beard either though he does look like a mountain man right now which I guess is fitting since he did climb one of the seven peaks.

170 HappyWarrior  Apr 15, 2015 3:01:37pm

re: #167 Kragar

I question a system where a Coast Guard veteran with a broken tail light ends up dead yet an amazing specimen like that gets taken alive.

Yeah but he’s white ya see. But really I’ve tried pointing out to those who defend Wilson and the other cops who have kliled unarmed people that we have been able to get armed perps alive like this guy, Alex Holmes, and a host of others.

171 Justanotherhuman  Apr 15, 2015 3:02:48pm

Later, Lizards!

Keep calm…

172 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2015 3:09:39pm
173 HappyWarrior  Apr 15, 2015 3:09:52pm

I mean if you can get Timothy fucking McVeigh alive and not even wounded. You can get some guy with a broken tail light who owned child support alive. Why do they run I hear asked. Well they run because they see people like Eric Garner get strangled, they see Rodney King get beatened, etc. I realize police officers have tough, stressful jobs but that’s no excuse for brutality. Just as being a member of the military and combat stresses being no excuse for war crimes. “Oh he was just stressed out” is a cop-out and it furthermore is a disservice to the people who actually doing their jobs by the rules and with a sense of honor and duty.

174 HappyWarrior  Apr 15, 2015 3:10:14pm

re: #172 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Rautner’s a rat.

175 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2015 3:14:39pm
176 Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 15, 2015 3:15:40pm

re: #129 Higgs Boson’s Mate

[Embedded content]

This, is an automobile. It is the 1911 FIAT S76, known at the time as the Beast of Turin. It was unofficially the fastest car in the world more than 100 ears ago. It runs a 28 liter (1708 cu in) four cylinder engine. Recently restored, you can see, and hear, it thundering down an English back road for the first time in 100 years HERE.

God god! That means EACH CYLINDER has a displacement of 7L, equal to the big-ass muscle car engines of the late 60s! (Mopar’s 426, Ford’s 429, and Chevy’s 427)

177 Kragar  Apr 15, 2015 3:19:27pm

“You are casting yourself as a candidate of a new generation, but there is an issue where you are very out of step with younger voters — even younger Republican voters,” Tapper told Rubio. “According to a Pew poll, 61 percent of Republican voters under the age of 30, I believe, support same-sex marriage. On that issue, same-sex marriage, senator, you’re the candidate of yesterday.”

178 Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 15, 2015 3:21:14pm

re: #177 Kragar

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But his economic policies are so new and different!
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179 wrenchwench  Apr 15, 2015 3:21:40pm

It’s Pasco, not Paco.

The shooting was in February.

180 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 15, 2015 3:30:50pm

re: #176 Blind Frog Belly White

God god! That means EACH CYLINDER has a displacement of 7L, equal to the big-ass muscle car engines of the late 60s! (Mopar’s 426, Ford’s 429, and Chevy’s 427)

That blew me away. Sounds like the engine RPM was in the low hundreds. That this car is more than 100 years old makes the technology all the more amazing to me.

181 thedopefishlives  Apr 15, 2015 3:31:07pm

Oh, and I have something to delight the lizardfolk from my wonderfully conservative FB feed.

HILTER!
182 Kragar  Apr 15, 2015 3:33:38pm

re: #181 thedopefishlives

Conservatism in 5 words: “Fuck you, I got mine.”

183 Mike Lamb  Apr 15, 2015 3:34:06pm

re: #181 thedopefishlives

Oh, and I have something to delight the lizardfolk from my wonderfully conservative FB feed.

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Hitler also used the words “the”, “and”, “I”, and “or”.

184 thedopefishlives  Apr 15, 2015 3:36:17pm

re: #180 Higgs Boson’s Mate

That blew me away. Sounds like the engine RPM was in the low hundreds. That this car is more than 100 years old makes the technology all the more amazing to me.

A modern oil-burning ship runs a two- or four-stroke diesel engine that runs in the low hundreds of RPM and can have cylinder bores up to 3 feet across. Think of this car as the predecessor to a Navy cruiser - literally, the world’s first “boat” car.

185 Nyet  Apr 15, 2015 3:41:02pm

re: #181 thedopefishlives

Both quotes likely fake = double dose of derp.

186 ObserverArt  Apr 15, 2015 3:44:14pm

re: #180 Higgs Boson’s Mate

That blew me away. Sounds like the engine RPM was in the low hundreds. That this car is more than 100 years old makes the technology all the more amazing to me.

My brother has a book about early car engine design and he was showing me the drawing to a Peugeot design that had multiple valves, hemispherical heads and all kinds of great engine design elements. Problem was, at the time they didn’t have the electric spark and timing technology needed to fire the engine at the RPMs it would turn.

It made me realize sometimes a designer/engineer/thinker can be way ahead of the curve and needs to have other technologies catch up. And sometimes a great idea might never be exposed to the world because it was too ahead of its time.

187 thedopefishlives  Apr 15, 2015 3:44:45pm

re: #183 Mike Lamb

Hitler also used the words “the”, “and”, “I”, and “or”.

The comments on the original image point out things like this. The share on my FB feed merely reminds the reader to “remember that she and Bill are ‘broke’”.

188 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Apr 15, 2015 3:51:06pm

re: #38 retired cynic

Well. I tried to get medical help (maybe 25 years ago) for my husband, who served honorably in the Navy during the Korean War, and was told sorry, there was a long waiting list. Bye, bye! He’s never had any medical assistance from them. Maybe it is better now, but it sure didn’t work for us then!

I signed up for the VA last fall in Ann Arbor. It was quick, easy, and every time I have engaged with them they have been incredibly helpful and good. Truly amazing. You should try again. (I only have a 10% service related disability from Vietnam.)

Also, Aid and Attendance is a little-known veteran-spouse-survivor long term care benefit that can be substantial, for spouses of those who served in war time—which your husband may qualify you for. It’s income dependent but excellent if you qualify.

189 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2015 3:51:07pm

Looks like Alice’s excellent live tweeting this morning is going viral:

190 ObserverArt  Apr 15, 2015 3:51:15pm

re: #184 thedopefishlives

A modern oil-burning ship runs a two- or four-stroke diesel engine that runs in the low hundreds of RPM and can have cylinder bores up to 3 feet across. Think of this car as the predecessor to a Navy cruiser - literally, the world’s first “boat” car.

A big old stroke at slow speed is all about torque…needed to drive those big old screws to drive the ship.

One of the reasons I’ve always liked German car engines. They tend to go for a taller cylinder, longer stroke and lower RPM for the power band.

191 thedopefishlives  Apr 15, 2015 3:52:48pm

re: #190 ObserverArt

A big old stroke at slow speed is all about torque…needed to drive those big old screws to drive the ship.

One of the reasons I’ve always liked German car engines. They tend to go for a taller cylinder, longer stroke and lower RPM for the power band.

This is what’s always gotten me about bigger American engines. The small, high-speed motors have a lot going for them in terms of technological advancement (twin-turbo V6, yes please!), but there’s nothing like idling down the road with a V8 cranking 600 rpm.

192 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2015 3:53:14pm

re: #185 Nyet

Left something downstairs for you:
littlegreenfootballs.com

193 Charles Johnson  Apr 15, 2015 4:00:03pm

re: #181 thedopefishlives

Oh, and I have something to delight the lizardfolk from my wonderfully conservative FB feed.

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That’s an old, old smear against Hillary Clinton - apparently the quote attributed to her is fake. The Hitler quote is accurate.

194 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Apr 15, 2015 4:01:23pm

re: #101 BeachDem

I love my accountant for his calm, unflappable attitude. He just called me (3:51 EDT) to say, “We’re kind of getting down to the wire—do you still need me to do your taxes?” I told him I’d sent in some random $ and an extension form and I could just hear him shaking his head in wonder at my attention to detail! But I was pretty impressed that he still would have done them today if I’d asked him to.

I tell my friends: “If you don’t have an accountant, you are in what I call the Sucker Pool.” It hurts to say it and hear it,* but it is SO true. I then add: “If you’re over 50 and you don’t have a business, you are also in the Sucker Pool.” I’ve now got an S Corp and two LLCs, and I don’t make that much money, but the businesses really stretch it out.

* Especially when so many people don’t even live in a world where they can consider an accountant.

195 wrenchwench  Apr 15, 2015 4:06:54pm

My applications for time extensions for filing my taxes have Harvey Milk stamps on them. Too bad he didn’t get an extension to his time.

196 Nyet  Apr 15, 2015 4:09:07pm

re: #193 Charles Johnson

That’s an old, old smear against Hillary Clinton - apparently the quote attributed to her is fake.

littlegreenfootballs.com
littlegreenfootballs.com

The Hitler quote is accurate.

Do you know the source then? I couldn’t find one.

197 retired cynic  Apr 15, 2015 4:15:13pm

re: #188 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

I signed up for the VA last fall in Ann Arbor. It was quick, easy, and every time I have engaged with them they have been incredibly helpful and good. Truly amazing. You should try again. (I only have a 10% service related disability from Vietnam.)

Also, Aid and Attendance is a little-known veteran-spouse-survivor long term care benefit that can be substantial, for spouses of those who served in war time—which your husband may qualify you for. It’s income dependent but excellent if you qualify.

Thank you! I will follow up!

198 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 15, 2015 4:22:54pm

re: #191 thedopefishlives

This is what’s always gotten me about bigger American engines. The small, high-speed motors have a lot going for them in terms of technological advancement (twin-turbo V6, yes please!), but there’s nothing like idling down the road with a V8 cranking 600 rpm.

I’ve owned and driven cars at both extremes: an Austin-Healey 100-6 with a 3000 MK II engine and a FIAT 600 with an Abarth 850 Nurburgring Corsa engine. Each was fun in its own way though the Healey, with that big, torquey tractor engine, required a lot less effort to drive.

199 thedopefishlives  Apr 15, 2015 4:23:29pm

re: #193 Charles Johnson

That’s an old, old smear against Hillary Clinton - apparently the quote attributed to her is fake. The Hitler quote is accurate.

My surprise, let me show you it.

200 Decatur Deb  Apr 15, 2015 4:26:13pm

What could be wrong about an organization called The Foundation for Moral Law? I really admire their optimistic spirit—the donation card in their 9-piece mailing starts with a checkoff for $500,000 and goes all the way down to $50. if I send them 500 Large, they promise to redouble their efforts to get the USSC to void Obamacare.

You would think an organization founded by Roy Moore and run by his wife and kid would use less bulky postings, but they do get the non-profit USPS rate.

201 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2015 4:30:19pm

UpChuck needs to get outraged about this:

202 Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 15, 2015 4:30:50pm

re: #198 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I’ve owned and driven cars at both extremes: an Austin-Healey 100-6 with a 3000 MK II engine and a FIAT 600 with an Abarth 850 Nurburgring Corsa engine. Each was fun in its own way though the Healey, with that big, torquey tractor engine, required a lot less effort to drive.

That’s the advantage of displacement over forced induction - the flat torque curve.

203 Nyet  Apr 15, 2015 4:31:06pm

re: #199 thedopefishlives

My surprise, let me show you it.

Take a probably fake quote from Hitler, add a probably fake quote from Clinton, stir, add a handful of logical fallacies (reductio ad Hitlerum, guilt by association), bake for 30 minutes. The wingnut shit cake meme is ready!

204 Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 15, 2015 4:31:54pm

re: #203 Nyet

Take a probably fake quote from Hitler, add a probably fake quote from Clinton, stir, add a handful of logical fallacies (reductio ad Hitlerum, guilt by association), bake for 30 minutes. The wingnut shit cake meme is ready!

“You know who ELSE never said that? Hitler.”

205 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 15, 2015 4:40:39pm

re: #202 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s the advantage of displacement over forced induction - the flat torque curve.

Old fashioned soul that I am, I believe that turbos are best suited to WWII piston engined aircraft. My current screwing around car is a ‘99 Miata with a mildly built 2004 engine (For the variable valve timing) and no turbo. I messed around with those things years ago and unless the installation is very carefully thought through and includes an intercooler, you may as well just just use nitrous.

206 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 15, 2015 4:40:48pm

re: #181 thedopefishlives

Oh, and I have something to delight the lizardfolk from my wonderfully conservative FB feed.

[Embedded content]

A fake Hitler quote next to a fake Hillary quote.
HURR HURR TROOF!!!!!!

207 GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 15, 2015 4:41:29pm

re: #172 Backwoods_Sleuth

Don’t worry. He’s still taking money from everyone in IL who has autism.

208 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 15, 2015 4:42:48pm

re: #193 Charles Johnson

That’s an old, old smear against Hillary Clinton - apparently the quote attributed to her is fake. The Hitler quote is accurate.

But…

What kind of sickass goes looking through Hitler’s speeches and writings to find quotes to post on The Internet?

209 thedopefishlives  Apr 15, 2015 4:43:02pm

re: #205 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Old fashioned soul that I am, I believe that turbos are best suited to WWII piston engined aircraft. My current screwing around car is a ‘99 Miata with a mildly built 2004 engine (For the variable valve timing) and no turbo. I messed around with those things years ago and unless the installation is very carefully thought through and includes an intercooler, you may as well just just use nitrous.

I would love to have a turbocharged engine. One of the most unique driving experiences I’ve had was a Nissan with the old standby 2.0T 4-cylinder and an infinitely variable transmission. It was almost enough to sell me on buying Japanese when I went shopping for my Fishmobile a year later.

210 Nyet  Apr 15, 2015 4:44:56pm

re: #208 Lord Of The Pies

But…

What kind of sickass goes looking through Hitler’s speeches and writings to find quotes to post on The Internet?

If they did that, they would at least be doing some research, however questionable it might be. All they’re doing is lifting probably fake quotes from wingnut sites.

211 Nyet  Apr 15, 2015 4:46:52pm

BTW, they couldn’t even spell Hitler’s name right.

212 Timothy Watson  Apr 15, 2015 4:51:44pm
213 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 15, 2015 4:52:22pm

re: #209 thedopefishlives

I would love to have a turbocharged engine. One of the most unique driving experiences I’ve had was a Nissan with the old standby 2.0T 4-cylinder and an infinitely variable transmission. It was almost enough to sell me on buying Japanese when I went shopping for my Fishmobile a year later.

It’s all good. I run SCCA Solo II (AKA Autocross) and, besides those pesky regulations, there’s the fact that turbo lag makes a mess of things when the course is a succession of tight corners.

214 b_sharp  Apr 15, 2015 4:53:35pm

re: #209 thedopefishlives

I would love to have a turbocharged engine. One of the most unique driving experiences I’ve had was a Nissan with the old standby 2.0T 4-cylinder and an infinitely variable transmission. It was almost enough to sell me on buying Japanese when I went shopping for my Fishmobile a year later.

An Impreza STI has 305 hp because of a turbo. I’d love to drive one on dirt roads.

215 b.d.  Apr 15, 2015 4:53:56pm

re: #208 Lord Of The Pies

But…

What kind of sickass goes looking through Hitler’s speeches and writings to find quotes to post on The Internet?

Some of them are good though.

I can’t believe John McCain has more houses than me. - Adolph Hitler

216 Charles Johnson  Apr 15, 2015 5:05:12pm
217 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 15, 2015 5:05:27pm

Chipotleghazi! E-mailgate!
Stop! I’m already sick of this, and there are 16 months to go!

218 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2015 5:06:34pm

re: #216 Charles Johnson

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It does appear that Chuck’s time is running out.
He’s got nothing and everyone on twitter is laughing at him.

219 Charles Johnson  Apr 15, 2015 5:06:39pm

If you look at the retweets and favorites for Chuck’s BREAKING post, they’re just lousy with white supremacists.

220 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2015 5:08:23pm

re: #219 Charles Johnson

If you look at the retweets and favorites for Chuck’s BREAKING post, they’re just lousy with white supremacists.

And MRA…

221 Charles Johnson  Apr 15, 2015 5:10:21pm

re: #196 Nyet

Do you know the source then? I couldn’t find one.

Well, I find it at a lot of quotation sites, but none of them seem to list a source. You’re right, it could be fake too, but the Hillary quote definitely is.

222 Nyet  Apr 15, 2015 5:14:32pm

re: #221 Charles Johnson

The probably fake HC quote is also on all those sites, here’s BrainyQuote: brainyquote.com

The quote sites are motherlodes of fake quotes.

223 thedopefishlives  Apr 15, 2015 5:17:05pm

re: #219 Charles Johnson

If you look at the retweets and favorites for Chuck’s BREAKING post, they’re just lousy with white supremacists.

Birds of a feather, etc., etc.

224 #FergusonFireside  Apr 15, 2015 5:21:52pm

Hey if Charles is here, note I finally did it!!!! :)

225 #FergusonFireside  Apr 15, 2015 5:23:29pm

Ya’ll, I am hooking up a desktop computer at home - I haven’t done this in forever and just want to make sure:

I need to go buy an ethernet cable, hook it to the cable box & to the computer. That’s it????

226 thedopefishlives  Apr 15, 2015 5:24:03pm

re: #225 #FergusonFireside

Ya’ll, I am hooking up a desktop computer at home - I haven’t done this in forever and just want to make sure:

I need to go buy an ethernet cable, hook it to the cable box & to the computer. That’s it????

Should be, unless you did something funny with your networking setup.

227 #FergusonFireside  Apr 15, 2015 5:25:16pm

re: #226 thedopefishlives

Should be, unless you did something funny with your networking setup.

Thanks Fishy!

Nope. Just installed by Time Warner 3 years ago. I’ve only used WiFi.

Off to Best Buy. I’ll report back later.

228 thedopefishlives  Apr 15, 2015 5:26:55pm

re: #227 #FergusonFireside

Thanks Fishy!

Nope. Just installed by Time Warner 3 years ago. I’ve only used WiFi.

Off to Best Buy. I’ll report back later.

You can get wireless adapters to stick in the USB port, if that tickles your fancy. For a desktop computer, though, there’s nothing wrong with an Ethernet cable if you intend on keeping it within range of the cable box.

229 ObserverArt  Apr 15, 2015 5:32:10pm

re: #205 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Old fashioned soul that I am, I believe that turbos are best suited to WWII piston engined aircraft. My current screwing around car is a ‘99 Miata with a mildly built 2004 engine (For the variable valve timing) and no turbo. I messed around with those things years ago and unless the installation is very carefully thought through and includes an intercooler, you may as well just just use nitrous.

Turbo design has come a long long way.

More and more small engines will be turbo charged in the future. If you look at the VW/Audi line, it has turbo engines all up and down it.

They have discovered better ways to use less boost meaning less wear, heat, etc. My understanding is they are getting cleaner burning engines with direct injection, better piston head design, trick valve and valve timing, etc.

Also, it is looking like small boosted gas/diesel/fuel engines will be used to get a car rolling and charge batteries in hybrid combinations.

I follow Formula One racing and they are starting to get their new 1.6 liter V6 turbos to generate around 650 or so horsepower and they take the energy being spun off the turbo and the rear brakes for what they term energy recovery to charge a battery that drives a direct drive electric motor. The driver can mix the electric motor into the gas engine and get a combo power of around 1000 horsepower for acceleration and passing, going down a long straight etc.

The engines are very trick. They use a single turbo that is as big as the engine block. The Mercedes engine has the turbo split with the cold air side on the front of the plenum and the exhaust driven side hung off the back of the engine so they can blow the air off the back and behind the car. Keeps the cold air charge cooler by its layout nature. There is a main shaft that goes through the middle of the block and drives the energy recovery.

Basically gas will be used to run a turbo generator.

230 thedopefishlives  Apr 15, 2015 5:35:04pm

re: #229 ObserverArt

I’m still waiting for micro-turbines to make an appearance in the auto engine market. I know turbines have been tried in race cars (back in the ‘60’s or ‘70’s, I think, an Indy car ran with a turbine), but a reliable cheap mass-producible turbine burning light gas would be a major paradigm shift.

231 ObserverArt  Apr 15, 2015 5:43:17pm

re: #230 thedopefishlives

I’m still waiting for micro-turbines to make an appearance in the auto engine market. I know turbines have been tried in race cars (back in the ‘60’s or ‘70’s, I think, an Indy car ran with a turbine), but a reliable cheap mass-producible turbine burning light gas would be a major paradigm shift.

Andy Granatelli with his STP Specials in 1967 and 1968. I think they used a helicopter turbine. They were outlawed. I think once the bugs were worked out of them in race car use, they would have been real hard to beat. They just about won in ‘67 but an inexpensive part (some kind of coolant seal?) broke the car with just a few laps to go.

I love engine designs…all kinds. I like things that make sweet mechanical noises. Part of the “boom”er generation and the last kid in an all-boy motorhead family.

232 Decatur Deb  Apr 15, 2015 5:44:20pm

re: #230 thedopefishlives

I’m still waiting for micro-turbines to make an appearance in the auto engine market. I know turbines have been tried in race cars (back in the ‘60’s or ‘70’s, I think, an Indy car ran with a turbine), but a reliable cheap mass-producible turbine burning light gas would be a major paradigm shift.

That would be a natural development from the pulse-jet gocart.

…

233 thedopefishlives  Apr 15, 2015 5:45:11pm

re: #231 ObserverArt

Andy Granatelli with his STP Specials in 1967 and 1968. I think they used a helicopter turbine. They were outlawed. I think once the bugs were worked out of them in race car use, they would have been real hard to beat. They just about won in ‘67 but an inexpensive part (some kind of coolant seal?) broke the car with just a few laps to go.

I love engine designs…all kinds. I like things that make sweet mechanical noises. Part of the “boom”er generation and the last kid in an all-boy motorhead family.

I inherited the family tendency toward jack-of-all-trades. My strong suit is as a gearhead, but I can do minor plumbing, electrical, drywall, carpentry, and of course my professional pursuits in electronics and computing.

234 thedopefishlives  Apr 15, 2015 5:46:15pm

re: #232 Decatur Deb

That would be a natural development from the pulse-jet gocart.

My father-in-law has a micro-pulsejet that powered some kind of remote-controlled boat. Fascinating simple tech.

235 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 15, 2015 5:47:08pm

re: #233 thedopefishlives

I inherited the family tendency toward jack-of-all-trades. My strong suit is as a gearhead, but I can do minor plumbing, electrical, drywall, carpentry, and of course my professional pursuits in electronics and computing.

I will take pride in the fact that I a) found where the damn ants were getting in, b) caulked it shut, and c) it looks damn good and there are no more ants.

236 Decatur Deb  Apr 15, 2015 5:47:56pm

re: #234 thedopefishlives

Pencil: Got some kind of overlay.

237 thedopefishlives  Apr 15, 2015 5:48:29pm

re: #235 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I will take pride in the fact that I a) found where the damn ants were getting in, b) caulked it shut, and c) it looks damn good and there are no more ants.

Last summer, I rebuilt my deck railing. All of it.

238 thedopefishlives  Apr 15, 2015 5:48:42pm

re: #236 Decatur Deb

Pencil: Got some kind of overlay.

Already done.

239 thedopefishlives  Apr 15, 2015 5:49:11pm

re: #238 thedopefishlives

Charles, I seem to have issues in Spy mode when quoting YouTube videos. It shows up all funny.

240 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 15, 2015 5:49:57pm

re: #237 thedopefishlives

Last summer, I rebuilt my deck railing. All of it.

I’m not inclined to put too much effort into this house at this point because the timeline for selling is probably in the < 2 year range at this point.

Couple of factors up there. If my sister doesn’t get the job in CA, the possibility exists we’ll be out by the end of the year.

241 Decatur Deb  Apr 15, 2015 5:50:51pm

re: #234 thedopefishlives

My father-in-law has a micro-pulsejet that powered some kind of remote-controlled boat. Fascinating simple tech.

We had cheap model ‘jet’ engines as kids that generated acetylene from carbide, Jet-X. Think they still exist, but not cheap.

242 thedopefishlives  Apr 15, 2015 5:51:41pm

re: #240 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m not inclined to put too much effort into this house at this point because the timeline for selling is probably in the < 2 year range at this point.

Couple of factors up there. If my sister doesn’t get the job in CA, the possibility exists we’ll be out by the end of the year.

We just refinanced; we’re pretty entrenched. The problem there is that the driveway and the roof are both due for major overhaul Soon (tm).

243 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 15, 2015 5:53:53pm

re: #242 thedopefishlives

We just refinanced; we’re pretty entrenched. The problem there is that the driveway and the roof are both due for major overhaul Soon (tm).

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244 Decatur Deb  Apr 15, 2015 5:54:19pm

re: #242 thedopefishlives

We just refinanced; we’re pretty entrenched. The problem there is that the driveway and the roof are both due for major overhaul Soon (tm).

Unless the roof is complex, you can pick up solid DIY skills by working several weekends with Habitat (if they’re active and the time works out).

245 thedopefishlives  Apr 15, 2015 5:56:58pm

re: #244 Decatur Deb

Unless the roof is complex, you can pick up solid DIY skills by working several weekends with Habitat (if they’re active and the time works out).

I … don’t do roofs. I just can’t walk on them.

246 thedopefishlives  Apr 15, 2015 5:58:21pm

re: #245 thedopefishlives

Also, I’ve done two spring-break trips to Habitat sites, which is what really solidified my carpentry skills.

247 ObserverArt  Apr 15, 2015 6:06:10pm

re: #241 Decatur Deb

We had cheap model ‘jet’ engines as kids that generated acetylene from carbide, Jet-X. Think they still exist, but not cheap.

Have you ever seen the scale model remote control jet aircraft fly? I used to do some graphics for a local club that held a Model Jet Scramble every Labor Day at a private airport on the west side of Columbus. Full blown jet fan engine.

They have all the characteristics of real jet engines. They warm them up the same way and everything. Cool as heck and they are damn fast. The climb rate is incredible…almost hard to keep your eye on one. You need to be back to really appreciate them.

248 ObserverArt  Apr 15, 2015 6:08:09pm

Heh. Video form the 2003 Jet Scramble.

…

249 Decatur Deb  Apr 15, 2015 6:13:19pm

re: #248 ObserverArt

Heh. Video form the 2003 Jet Scramble.

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Video

And that’s one I can’t play. Gonna have to reload Ubuntu on the next upgrade, hoping for an integrated flash player.

250 ObserverArt  Apr 15, 2015 6:16:53pm

re: #249 Decatur Deb

And that’s one I can’t play. Gonna have to reload Ubuntu on the next upgrade, hoping for an integrated flash player.

Awwww. Shoot.

251 Bubblehead II  Apr 15, 2015 6:17:48pm

Night Lizards.

252 Decatur Deb  Apr 15, 2015 6:19:58pm

re: #250 ObserverArt

Awwww. Shoot.

15.04 should be out in a couple weeks.

253 lostlakehiker  Apr 15, 2015 7:06:47pm

re: #74 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I do not like the fact that many minimum wage workers still receive government aid to the tune of up to $150 billion annually, which means that taxpayers are de facto subsidizing wages.

But that’s a good idea. Some people just cannot do work that will earn them $20 an hour. If that’s the price of their labor, then nobody’s going to buy it.

Some can’t earn $15 an hour, for the same reason.

Hence, the earned income tax and other subsidies. We don’t want the working poor, who are doing their meager best, to suffer undue financial hardship simply because their skills are not sufficient to sustain them. Neither do we want them to just drop out and be, and feel, entirely useless. The earned income tax ought to be expanded, so that married couples can collect what they would have collected if they were simply living together, and so that the implicit marginal tax rate on extra earnings is lower…that is, the benefits don’t phase out so fast. If benefits under EITC are cut by $1 for each extra $2 earned, it’s an incentive killer.

254 lostlakehiker  Apr 15, 2015 7:11:49pm

re: #1 darthstar

Screw the emails, we’ve moved on to #CHIPOTLEGATE

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We could move on to immigrantgate. Hillary has lied, [either that, or the link lies] persistently, in claiming that all her grandparents were immigrants to the United States. That’s what the link says, anyhow.

From my perspective, having come up against a really shady character who had the Rose Law Firm backing his plays before Bill and Hillary were players on the world stage, this just figures. If she was in any way involved with the Rose Law Firm, then she was in the same company as this guy, and so much for her.

255 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Apr 15, 2015 7:48:06pm

re: #253 lostlakehiker

A guaranteed minimum income is much more sensible.

256 lostlakehiker  Apr 15, 2015 8:00:08pm

re: #1 darthstar

Screw the emails, we’ve moved on to #CHIPOTLEGATE

[Embedded content]

We could move on to immigrantgate. Hillary has lied, [either that, or the link lies] persistently, in claiming that all her grandparents were immigrants to the United States. That’s what the link says, anyhow.

From my perspective, having come up against a really shady character who had the Rose Law Firm backing his plays before Bill and Hillary were players on the world stage, this just figures. If she was in any way involved with the Rose Law Firm, then she was in the same company as this guy, and so much for her.

re: #255 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

Perhaps, though there was an experiment along those lines in Washington State if memory serves, and it didn’t work out very well.

In any case, the EITC is law already, and can be changed without having to move mountains to make it happen. It can be made more generous, both in who qualifies and in moderating the rate at which benefits are canceled as income increases. That still leaves disabled people to be taken care of by other programs, but we have those other programs. It still leaves people who simply would rather not work. But—-how much do we really owe them? Maybe a job, if there is no other to be had. Something along the lines of the WPA.

257 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 15, 2015 8:19:04pm

re: #256 lostlakehiker

Perhaps, though there was an experiment along those lines in Washington State if memory serves, and it didn’t work out very well.

It doesn’t.

Don’t care what the other blithering was about—I assume it was just as fact-free.


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