Newsweek Reports on the Growing Alliance Between Netanyahu’s Likud Party and Europe’s Anti-Semitic Far Right

The disturbing acceptance of European hate groups in Israeli politics
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Long-time readers of LGF will recognize many of the names of people and organizations called out in this piece by Charles Hawley; these are the very fascists and antisemites who made alliances with American “counter-jihad” groups years ago, leading me to make a clean break with them and their hateful agenda. (Click on any of the tags below this post for more information on this back story.)

For the past few years I’ve been watching in horror as Israeli political parties like Likud increasingly embrace these awful people: Netanyahu’s Unholy Alliance With Europe’s ‘Anti-Semitic’ Far Right.

But one growing faction in Europe is welcoming Benjamin Netanyahu and his re-election with open arms. On the ultra-conservative periphery, among the xenophobic, nativist fringe, right-wing populists are unabashedly rejoicing. For them, Europe is engaged in a battle against encroaching Islam - and the hardliner Netanyahu, they believe, is doing yeoman’s work on the front lines. “Benjamin Netanyahu’s victory is a good thing for several reasons,” Geert Wilders, the vociferous anti-Islam incendiary from the Netherlands, said in an emailed statement. “We share his criticism of Iran … and his opposition to a Palestinian state in Judea and Samaria.”

“We are very happy,” agrees Filip Dewinter, a leading member of Belgian right-wing party Vlaams Belang. “It is a good thing for Israel, but also good for right-wing parties in Europe because he understands that the first danger for Europe is Islamisation.” David Lasar, a foreign policy co-ordinator for the Austrian Freedom Party, echoed that sentiment. “For sure, I am very happy,” says Lasar, who has worked hard in recent years to develop ties with staunchly conservative parties overseas. “It is a very important step that Netanyahu has won the election.”

From the perspective of a European chauvinistic periphery that has increasingly been striving for mainstream legitimacy in the recent past, the enthusiasm is understandable. As groups like the Austrian Freedom Party, France’s Front National and the Swedish Democrats have long histories of anti-Semitism, recent years have seen them attempting to refocus their enmity on Islam and Islamists. With that shift has come a recognition that Israeli conservatives, with their rejection of a Palestinian state and hardline approach to Islamism, are their natural allies.

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157 comments

1 freetoken  Apr 18, 2015 10:41:03am

Politics makes for strange bedfellows?

2 freetoken  Apr 18, 2015 10:44:13am

Modern inventions break down walls between nations.

For nationalists that is a bad thing, the loss of identity.

Reaction against modernity is taking many forms.

3 darthstar  Apr 18, 2015 10:50:04am

Strange bedfellows indeed.

4 darthstar  Apr 18, 2015 10:50:32am

And this trumps the asshole story about Kansas I was about to post.

5 b.d.  Apr 18, 2015 10:52:08am

I’m not going to accuse the hard right Christians in America of anti-Semitism but what they expect and pray for to happen to Israel should give any sane Israeli pause too.

6 darthstar  Apr 18, 2015 10:56:30am

Please, please tell me that Rand Paul is partnering with Chuck C. Johnson on the seekrit Hillary story

7 Chrysicat  Apr 18, 2015 10:56:51am

re: #4 darthstar

No, no, go ahead and post. Pages aren’t getting all that much love lately, especially in terms of comments!

8 darthstar  Apr 18, 2015 11:01:00am

re: #7 Chrysicat

No, no, go ahead and post. Pages aren’t getting all that much love lately, especially in terms of comments!

Here it is…

9 retired cynic  Apr 18, 2015 11:09:35am

Nauseating. The lead story, the story out of Kansas, Rand Paul (and his yellow teeth), and CCJ. All of them, nauseating.

10 Lancelot Link  Apr 18, 2015 11:12:01am

The same far-right groups (especially Vlaams Belang) are behind a lot of the anti-Turkish propaganda showing up in the EU parliament these days.

11 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2015 11:12:10am

Chuck doesn’t quite understand the analogy:

12 Decatur Deb  Apr 18, 2015 11:13:26am

re: #1 freetoken

Politics makes for strange bedfellows?

The enemy of my enemy is a mensch?

Nah.

13 allegro  Apr 18, 2015 11:14:43am

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

Chuck doesn’t quite understand the analogy:

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Effective, if by effective he means quickly proving their point that he’s not very bright. LOL

14 Decatur Deb  Apr 18, 2015 11:17:53am

re: #6 darthstar

Please, please tell me that Rand Paul is partnering with Chuck C. Johnson on the seekrit Hillary story

Actual Senator Rand Paul says he knows a ‘secret’ that will doom Hillary, but he’s not telling

Does this have something to do with insuring high-mileage cars?

15 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 11:18:51am

Chuck just copied the text from this page and added a stupid slur against Hillary Clinton: The Menotomy Minute Men.

…three Menotomy men who perished in the town that day: Jason Russell, Jason Winship, and Jabez Wyman.

16 Nyet  Apr 18, 2015 11:21:21am

Interesting how the name of the report mirrors this LGF page:

The Unholy Alliance: how Israeli wingnuts befriended Russian Hitlerophiles

17 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 18, 2015 11:21:45am

re: #8 darthstar

Here it is…

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So regardless of where their money comes from, I suppose welfare recipients couldn’t use swimming pools or go to movies or whatever, because there’s no way to prove that that money didn’t come from their benefits? They’d be guilty of commingling?

When I was living in my car back in 1990/1, it was a real godsend that I could go to the local pool and use the shower for 50¢—of course, I had no welfare benefits to spend on that, but man, this is really petty shit.

18 ObserverArt  Apr 18, 2015 11:27:08am

Hmmm. Why am I thinking of the fable of “The Scorpion and the Frog?”

19 Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 18, 2015 11:35:00am

re: #12 Decatur Deb

The enemy of my enemy is a mensch?

Nah.

The enemy of my enemy may be a real asshole.

20 Dave In Austin  Apr 18, 2015 11:35:12am

Couple of things about Texas.
1st, there’s Texas. It’s awesome.
2nd, There’s Texans… And I really really don’t have an explanation.

crooksandliars.com

To be honest, I kind of feel the same way about feral Toms. but not like this.

21 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2015 11:39:07am

re: #8 darthstar

Here it is…

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That’s pure and simple segregation. Totally.

As a child I remember Charlotte’s pools were segregated but de-segregated, finally, in the early 70s. Naturally, whites stopped using them (as if they’d get cooties) and whites continued to use a commercial public pool until it shut down for lack of customers when people started putting pools (esp the “above-ground” types) in their back yards.

22 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2015 11:40:44am

Dr. Kristen Lindsey, DVM posted a picture on her Facebook page of her holding an arrow that is sticking through the head of a dead cat. The post read “My first bow kill, lol. The only good feral tomcat is one with an arrow through it’s head! Vet of the year award … Gladly accepted.”

12:48 p.m. Update:

Animal rescue group says the cat that was killed was not feral. It was owned by an elderly couple.

She has been fired.

23 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2015 11:41:26am

re: #20 Dave In Austin

I should have refreshed the page first.

24 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2015 11:44:10am

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

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12:48 p.m. Update:

She has been fired.

Jesushchristonabiscuit, the entitlement and ego of this witch knows no bounds.

“Lindsey works for the Washington Animal Clinic in Brenham. In the comment section of her post, she wrote “no I did not lose my job. Lol. Psshh. Like someone would get rid of me. I’m awesome!”

Anyone who would let their pet near her is an idiot.

25 Dave In Austin  Apr 18, 2015 11:44:58am

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

No biggie. An Austin Vet at that. Hope she never works in this town again. Whoops “Austin County”

Never mind

26 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2015 11:56:20am

If “educated” people like those we constantly see these days who infect the right wing aren’t enough, there will probably be a new crop to replace them.

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal gets applause at New Hampshire Republican Leadership Summit for touting his lawsuit over Common Core - @bethreinhard
see original on twitter.com

27 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2015 11:58:03am

good grief…

The female business owner who declared on Facebook earlier this week that women aren’t fit to be president stood by her views Saturday, citing “hormones” and a “biblical background.”

“That’s how God wanted it, and again, it’s my belief and how I run my household and how I am,” Cheryl Rios, the CEO of Go Ape Marketing in Dallas, said on CNN’s “New Day.”

“Like I believe in the woman should cook the meal for the man, like I believe in staying home when you have your child,” she said.

28 allegro  Apr 18, 2015 11:58:25am

re: #20 Dave In Austin

Couple of things about Texas.
1st, there’s Texas. It’s awesome.
2nd, There’s Texans… And I really really don’t have an explanation.

crooksandliars.com

To be honest, I kind of feel the same way about feral Toms. but not like this.

That cat was very likely the pet cat of her neighbors who had been looking for him. But even if feral, this is inexcusable as well as criminal. That she’s a vet who was proud of her “accomplishment” is unconscionable and deserving of loss of license to ever practice again anywhere and in any capacity.

29 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2015 11:59:36am

As long as you and your party continue to keep your feet on their necks you won’t convince them at all.

At New Hampshire summit, Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-SC says his message to Hispanics in America will be ‘I believe that you should be a Republican’ - @ZekeJMiller
see original on twitter.com

30 allegro  Apr 18, 2015 12:01:38pm

re: #24 Justanotherhuman

Jesushchristonabiscuit, the entitlement and ego of this witch knows no bounds.

“Lindsey works for the Washington Animal Clinic in Brenham. In the comment section of her post, she wrote “no I did not lose my job. Lol. Psshh. Like someone would get rid of me. I’m awesome!”

Anyone who would let their pet near her is an idiot.

She sounds a lot like Chuckie, doesn’t she? I wonder if they see each other at the sociopathic narcissist meetings?

31 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2015 12:02:06pm

re: #27 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief…

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Is she voting for Fiorina?

Carly Fiorina on stage at Republican Leadership Summit in New Hampshire: Hillary Clinton ‘cannot be president, but not because she is a woman’ - @jdistaso
see original on twitter.com

Fiorina has almost 100% less of a chance than Hillary.

32 ObserverArt  Apr 18, 2015 12:06:35pm

Heh. I was following a link from a sports site to an article at Deadspin on Brittney McHenry the ESPN reporter suspended because of the way she treated the tow truck operator. I was scrolling down through the comments and came across these two which I screen captured.

The reputation of an award winning journalist seems to be well known everywhere.

Deadspin - ESPN Reporter Britt McHenry Has A History Of Being Rude As Hell

33 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2015 12:11:06pm

re: #27 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief…

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The comments are devastating at YELP.

yelp.com

Also, here. linkedin.com

She’s getting attention, which is all she wants.

34 No Country For Old Haters  Apr 18, 2015 12:14:45pm

re: #30 allegro

She sounds a lot like Chuckie, doesn’t she? I wonder if they see each other at the sociopathic narcissist meetings?

She sounds like she’s manic.

35 Varek Raith  Apr 18, 2015 12:15:11pm

re: #27 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief…

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I cook meals for my girlfriend.
/I’VE BEEN DOING IT WRONG!

36 allegro  Apr 18, 2015 12:19:16pm

re: #32 ObserverArt

Heh. I was following a link from a sports site to an article at Deadspin on Brittney McHenry the ESPN reporter suspended because of the way she treated the tow truck operator. I was scrolling down through the comments and came across these two which I screen captured.

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Deadspin - ESPN Reporter Britt McHenry Has A History Of Being Rude As Hell

The ease of which those nasty and very personal insults poured from her mouth was telling. No apology or “bad day” excuse could cover that.

37 CuriousLurker  Apr 18, 2015 12:20:41pm
Many conservatives in Israel now see the European right wing as being the only reliable partner on a continent where, they say, anti-Semitism has become rooted in the political mainstream.

Can they really be so stupid as to believe that the European far-right has had some sort of epiphany and is no longer antisemitic at its core? *smh*

38 Nyet  Apr 18, 2015 12:21:13pm

A year ago:

Jerusalem is worried about the results of this week’s European Parliament elections, in which far right and even neo-Nazi parties drastically gained strength, a senior Israeli official said late Monday.

timesofisrael.com

39 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2015 12:34:17pm

heh

40 Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 18, 2015 12:35:03pm

re: #27 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief…

“Like I believe in the woman should cook the meal for the man, like I believe in staying home when you have your child,” she said.

Who’s stopping you?

41 Nyet  Apr 18, 2015 12:39:16pm

re: #37 CuriousLurker

Can they really be so stupid as to believe that the European far-right has had some sort of epiphany and is no longer antisemitic at its core? *smh*

It’s almost as if Netanyahu wants more Jews to emigrate from Europe. //

42 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 12:40:58pm
43 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2015 12:42:20pm

So tired of this bullshit, too, but I suppose a lot of people obviously have very empty lives and too much time to waste.

People evacuated from Washington State University recreation center after man reportedly makes threats

44 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2015 12:42:51pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

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Who? : )

45 Nyet  Apr 18, 2015 12:47:06pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

Heh, I remember Schmalfeldt. Also, the white nationalist American Renaissance author RS McCain is obviously a racist kook, so why does he complain that kooks flock to him?

46 jaunte  Apr 18, 2015 12:47:32pm

re: #27 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief…

Female business owner: sole proprietor working out of an ‘executive suite’ servcorp.com

Looking for some of that wingnut welfare cash.

47 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 12:48:37pm
48 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2015 12:49:35pm

re: #46 jaunte

Female business owner: sole proprietor working out of an ‘executive suite’ servcorp.com

Looking for some of that wingnut welfare cash.

Probably more like this:

VIRTUAL
OFFICES
Best business address
Local telephone number issued instantly
Dedicated receptionist
Technology that saves you time and money
Book all your meeting rooms and resources online in real-time
READ MORE »
Read more at servcorp.com

She doesn’t actually work there, but from her laptop on the kitchen table?

49 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2015 12:49:49pm

re: #46 jaunte

Female business owner: sole proprietor working out of an ‘executive suite’ servcorp.com

Looking for some of that wingnut welfare cash.

Looks like a high tech mail drop for dodgy businesses.

50 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 12:50:43pm
51 jaunte  Apr 18, 2015 12:51:00pm

re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ve had a business like that, but I called it freelancing, not being a CEO.

52 Nyet  Apr 18, 2015 12:52:59pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

One can’t trust the number on the first search page, it’s just an estimate. Here’s a more realistic number:

Page 18 of 174 results (0.32 seconds)

This would supposedly include comments under posts written by others.

53 Nyet  Apr 18, 2015 12:55:01pm

re: #52 Nyet

There is a stalker impersonator troll who comments under the name “Charles Johnson”, which probably accounts for a hefty portion of the 174 results.

54 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2015 12:57:56pm

Are there absolutely no adults in the Republican Party?

Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, at New Hampshire GOP summit: ‘If only the terrorists attacked a golf course, that might get the White House’s attention’ - @kasie
see original on twitter.com

55 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 12:59:53pm

Just to be precise, the number of actual posts that contain my name is currently 208. (Using his own WordPress search function.)

56 jaunte  Apr 18, 2015 1:00:10pm

re: #54 Justanotherhuman

57 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 1:00:50pm

The Google results include every time my name is mentioned, and he frequently uses it more than once in a crazy rant about me.

58 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2015 1:01:06pm

Now we have Washington Man.

WSU gym evacuated following possible bomb threat

khq.com

“Campus police have evacuated the gym on the campus of Washington State University after a man made threats and yelled that he had a bomb late Saturday morning.

“Witnesses say a man a tall man in his mid-20s with blond hair was running through the University Recreation (UREC) building making death threats and saying he had a bomb. The man then ran out of the gym area.” More

Witnesses also tell KHQ that an ROTC student tackled the man who is now in police custody.

59 jaunte  Apr 18, 2015 1:01:23pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

Must be cramped and smelly, living inside his head like that.

60 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 1:01:33pm

Actually - 212. I forgot to count the last partial page of results.

61 Nyet  Apr 18, 2015 1:02:11pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

The Google results include every time my name is mentioned, and he frequently uses it more than once in a crazy rant about me.

They also include technical repeats, like the archive pages, comment pages and so on. That’s why the number on the very last search results page us usually the most precise.

62 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 1:04:11pm

re: #61 Nyet

Actually, the most precise number is the one from the WordPress search feature, which only counts the posts at his blog.

63 b_sharp  Apr 18, 2015 1:05:15pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

Actually - 212. I forgot to count the last partial page of results.

More than a couple and you have to conclude he’s obsessed.

64 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2015 1:06:02pm
65 jaunte  Apr 18, 2015 1:07:58pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

Actually - 212. I forgot to count the last partial page of results.

He’s probably written fewer letters to his family members.

66 Nyet  Apr 18, 2015 1:08:17pm

re: #62 Charles Johnson

Actually, the most precise number is the one from the WordPress search feature, which only counts the posts at his blog.

I counted 23 full search pages, 8 results per page, plus 4 results on the last page, for 188 total.

theothermccain. com/page/24/?s=%22charles+johnson%22

67 Mattand  Apr 18, 2015 1:08:56pm

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

Favorited. That made my afternoon.

68 Nyet  Apr 18, 2015 1:09:18pm

re: #62 Charles Johnson

Actually, the most precise number is the one from the WordPress search feature, which only counts the posts at his blog.

The precise number in context of google.

69 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2015 1:09:27pm

re: #56 jaunte

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Fuck him. He can shove his vote up his own ass.

See? I can be child-like, also. : )

But I’m not running for POTUS, either.

70 jaunte  Apr 18, 2015 1:14:46pm
71 allegro  Apr 18, 2015 1:16:46pm

re: #70 jaunte

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The creeping description is particularly apt. Eek.

72 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 18, 2015 1:16:54pm

re: #58 Justanotherhuman

Now we have Washington Man.

WSU gym evacuated following possible bomb threat

khq.com

“Campus police have evacuated the gym on the campus of Washington State University after a man made threats and yelled that he had a bomb late Saturday morning.

“Witnesses say a man a tall man in his mid-20s with blond hair was running through the University Recreation (UREC) building making death threats and saying he had a bomb. The man then ran out of the gym area.” More

Witnesses also tell KHQ that an ROTC student tackled the man who is now in police custody.

“Coug Dad” finally went apeshit—well, we all saw it coming…. ;)

73 jaunte  Apr 18, 2015 1:17:16pm

re: #71 allegro

Looks like he’s coming for you with oven mitts.

74 Varek Raith  Apr 18, 2015 1:20:06pm

re: #70 jaunte

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KILL IT WITH FIRE

75 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 1:21:10pm

re: #45 Nyet

Heh, I remember Schmalfeldt. Also, the white nationalist American Renaissance author RS McCain is obviously a racist kook, so why does he complain that kooks flock to him?

Schmalfeldt actually didn’t get a very good reception at LGF, because he tended to go way over the top with his posts.

76 Nyet  Apr 18, 2015 1:23:30pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

Yep. He didn’t last long.

77 Nyet  Apr 18, 2015 1:24:09pm

re: #76 Nyet

Bill Schmalfeldt (Bill Schmalfeldt)
This user is blocked.

Registered since: Apr 9, 2012 at 10:43 am
No. of comments posted: 21
No. of Pages posted: 4

78 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2015 1:26:13pm

Good grief, the RW is doing everything in their power against women and allowing men getting away with not supporting their children. Good for you, Taryn!

Rathdrum woman gains national attention for stance on child support bill

khq.com

RATHDRUM, Idaho -
Governor Butch Otter is setting the ground work for a special session to address Idaho’s Child Support Program. Legislators voted to table Senate Bill 1067, just before the session was adjourned, because they felt language in the legislation would open the doors for Sharia law in Idaho. The bill, if passed, would have brought Idaho to federal standards when it comes to child support enforcement laws. Now, legislators have 60 days to comply with federal law or risk losing $16 million in federal funding.

“The tabling of the bill has sparked outrage across the state with one woman gaining national recognition. A letter on Facebook, written by Taryn Thompson of Rathdrum, was recently recognized by the New York Times for her stance on this issue.

“I just couldn’t keep my mouth shut,” says Thompson. “I had to speak up.” More

49 states comply with the Federal Uniform Interstate Family Support Act.

All but Idaho.

79 CuriousLurker  Apr 18, 2015 1:27:06pm

re: #76 Nyet

Yep. He didn’t last long.

I wonder what ever happened to that old guy that was writing wingnutty letters to Obama every day and posting them here as well. Can’t remember of his nic…

80 Nyet  Apr 18, 2015 1:27:47pm

re: #79 CuriousLurker

Musta missed him.

81 CuriousLurker  Apr 18, 2015 1:29:44pm

re: #80 Nyet

Musta missed him.

I felt a little bit bad for him because he was so utterly sincere. One of those older retired people who watch Fox all day and have been convinced that the sky is falling, y’know?

82 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2015 1:30:31pm

You put the lime in the coconut…

Jamaican government organizing trade mission to Cuba; will meet April 20-23 to discuss possible partnerships - @AP
read more on bigstory.ap.org

This is great; hope more open up to Cuba like this.

83 ObserverArt  Apr 18, 2015 1:30:36pm

re: #79 CuriousLurker

I wonder what ever happened to that old guy that was writing wingnutty letters to Obama every day and posting them here as well. Can’t remember of his nic…

Why am I thinking of the name Buck???

84 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 1:30:50pm

re: #77 Nyet

I think this was an automatic suspension for not logging in for a long time. (I no longer use this code because it created more problems than it solved.)

85 allegro  Apr 18, 2015 1:31:23pm

So after stressing out over it and staying glued to weather reports for days, I finally cried “uncle” and cancelled (actually postponed til tomorrow) this evening’s cook-out birthday party for my best friend. Now it looks like all the rain is well to the south of us and all we got is clouds. If it doesn’t rain at all I’m gonna be so pissed off. I’ll be even more pissed off if it doesn’t rain today and it does rain tomorrow. All these groceries (appetizers, dinner, and dessert for 6) gots to get eated. I can take out the wine by myself.

86 CuriousLurker  Apr 18, 2015 1:33:08pm

re: #83 ObserverArt

Why am I thinking of the name Buck???

E gad NO! Shhhhh, don’t speak that name…

87 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2015 1:33:24pm

re: #83 ObserverArt

Why am I thinking of the name Buck???

It wasn’t Buck.
I remember the guy CL is talking about.
His letters were a wonder of misspelling and abuse of grammar and punctuation.

88 jaunte  Apr 18, 2015 1:34:31pm
“Stay on the down low boys, and we might just creep in”
89 Nyet  Apr 18, 2015 1:34:40pm

re: #86 CuriousLurker

E gad NO! Shhhhh, don’t speak that name…

90 ObserverArt  Apr 18, 2015 1:35:20pm

re: #86 CuriousLurker

E gad NO! Shhhhh, don’t speak that name…

Sorry! Like I said, that name popped in my head…

91 CuriousLurker  Apr 18, 2015 1:36:06pm

re: #89 Nyet

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Video

Buck was sooooo…. ugh.

92 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 1:36:22pm
93 Varek Raith  Apr 18, 2015 1:36:28pm

re: #88 jaunte

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Good god, spoiler tag that!

94 b_sharp  Apr 18, 2015 1:36:58pm

re: #91 CuriousLurker

Buck was sooooo…. ugh.

What happened to good old Buck?

95 Nyet  Apr 18, 2015 1:37:03pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

“Galileo didn’t have to deal w/ Twitter”

*eyeroll*

96 CuriousLurker  Apr 18, 2015 1:37:39pm

re: #90 ObserverArt

Sorry! Like I said, that name popped in my head…

I wonder how long it’s been since he wrote an email to Charles scolding him for not (in his mind) being sufficiently supportive of Israel.

97 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2015 1:37:44pm

Tornado watch issued for parts of Colorado, Kansas, Nebraska until 8 pm MT; threats include a few tornadoes, hail, damaging winds - @NWSSPC
read more on noaa.gov

98 Decatur Deb  Apr 18, 2015 1:38:42pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

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Visions of CCJ explaining himself to the Holy Office.

“Nonetheless, it still shits.”

99 TedStriker  Apr 18, 2015 1:39:54pm

re: #91 CuriousLurker

Buck was sooooo…. ugh.

One of the few Lizards that outdid Dark at the conservative “RAH RAH TEAM!!!” bullshit…and he was Canadian to boot, IIRC.

100 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 1:40:13pm
101 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 1:40:39pm
102 CuriousLurker  Apr 18, 2015 1:41:16pm

re: #94 b_sharp

What happened to good old Buck?

I dunno. At one point he had unpublished all his pages, then (IIRC) he put them back. Don’t know why he finally left for good.

Seems like satt & njd are gone too now.

103 CuriousLurker  Apr 18, 2015 1:43:01pm

re: #99 TedStriker

One of the few Lizards that outdid Dark at the conservative “RAH RAH TEAM!!!” bullshit…and he was Canadian to boot, IIRC.

Yeah. At least Dark is likable when he’s not doing the GO TEAM! thing. Buck, not so much. Not at all, IMO.

104 ObserverArt  Apr 18, 2015 1:44:41pm

re: #102 CuriousLurker

I dunno. At one point he had unpublished all his pages, then (IIRC) he put them back. Don’t know why he finally left for good.

Seems like satt & njd are gone too now.

I was just thinking the same. I get the feeling they got to the point they were no longer comfortable around here. And maybe the Kilgore thing had a wee bit of influence too.

105 CuriousLurker  Apr 18, 2015 1:46:10pm

re: #104 ObserverArt

I was just thinking the same. I get the feeling they got to the point they were no longer comfortable around here. And maybe the Kilgore thing had a wee bit of influence too.

Heh, yeah, not much of a tag team left.

106 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2015 1:46:32pm

yes, Chuck, go do that:

107 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 1:47:11pm
108 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 1:47:26pm
109 Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 18, 2015 1:47:32pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

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Yeah. As an actual Scientist*, there’s nothing quite so eyerollingly aggravating as the folks who presume that we’re so stupid we’d never have thought of whatever stupid think they thought of. Like thinking that Climate Scientists never thought about input from the sun, or the effect of clouds.

*It said so on my business cards. Then I got promoted.

110 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 1:47:38pm
111 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Apr 18, 2015 1:50:19pm

the very cynical nature of the Israeli hard right is being exposed now.

Along with the more neo-Nazi Euro far right groups, Likud also lubs them some Evangelical Americans with hard right Fundamentalist Christian views. These views usually involving a “love” for Jews and Israel with an affection that extends only as far as how the Jews can be fit into the bizarre Jesus-with-an-M16 End-Times Rapture fantasy concocted over the past 50 years or so. Of course, after said Rapture and Apocalyptic Christian- army-ill ‘em all orgasm the Jews will be thrown into the pit of Hell, so who cares about alliances with neo-Nazis after all that?

112 goddamnedfrank  Apr 18, 2015 1:50:24pm
113 Nyet  Apr 18, 2015 1:51:25pm

Breivik’s worldview as explained in his cut&paste “manifesto” mirrors that of Chuck. (Since then Breivik claimed that the manifesto was a ruse, so who knows, though I doubt that.)

114 Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 18, 2015 1:53:11pm

re: #112 goddamnedfrank

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Seriously? Have you ever SEEN a clearer morph of two parents than Chelsea? Or is he aiming for more of a Andrew Sullivan/Trig Palin kind of thing - that she popped out of a different Mom?

115 allegro  Apr 18, 2015 1:53:12pm

re: #112 goddamnedfrank

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Calling Secret Service, Yikes. And ewww what a creep, indeed.

116 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 1:54:19pm
117 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 1:54:37pm
118 goddamnedfrank  Apr 18, 2015 1:54:46pm
119 CuriousLurker  Apr 18, 2015 1:55:22pm

re: #87 Backwoods_Sleuth

It wasn’t Buck.
I remember the guy CL is talking about.
His letters were a wonder of misspelling and abuse of grammar and punctuation.

Francis! That was his name—I just remembered.

120 Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 18, 2015 1:55:53pm

re: #118 goddamnedfrank

There should be at least one person on the Internet who just says what they are thinking & reveals what they know to be true.

Yeah, because god knows all the OTHER people on the internet are so polite and circumspect.

121 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 1:57:02pm

re: #113 Nyet

(Since then Breivik claimed that the manifesto was a ruse, so who knows, though I doubt that.)

I wasn’t able to confirm that report with a credible source, for what it’s worth.

122 CuriousLurker  Apr 18, 2015 1:57:42pm

re: #112 goddamnedfrank

Ugh. Okay, enough. I’m gonna go make some caldo de res.

Later, lizards.

123 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2015 2:01:31pm

lolololol!!!

124 Nyet  Apr 18, 2015 2:07:36pm

re: #121 Charles Johnson

The letter reads like him.
Expo confirmed that he did send it:

expo.se

Expo is a Swedish anti-racist mag co-founded by Stieg Larsson (creator of Lisbeth Salander).

The reason given (to discredit the Jewish and pro-Jewish “counter-Jihadis”) is so braindead (I mean, if that was your goal, why tell now?) that I think rather this excuse is a ruse. But who knows what went and goes on in that disturbed brain.

125 ObserverArt  Apr 18, 2015 2:07:38pm

Later LGFers.

126 b.d.  Apr 18, 2015 2:09:59pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

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More like the Galliano of Twitter.

127 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 2:09:59pm
128 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 2:16:04pm
129 TedStriker  Apr 18, 2015 2:16:37pm

re: #108 Charles Johnson

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CCJ blew my irony meter to smithereens with that one…

130 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 2:17:14pm

re: #124 Nyet

The letter reads like him.
Expo confirmed that he did send it:

expo.se

Expo is a Swedish anti-racist mag co-founded by Stieg Larsson (creator of Lisbeth Salander).

The reason given (to discredit the Jewish and pro-Jewish “counter-Jihadis”) is so braindead (I mean, if that was your goal, why tell now?) that I think rather this excuse is a ruse. But who knows what went and goes on in that disturbed brain.

Definitely sounds like a ruse.

131 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2015 2:20:11pm

And Chuck defeats another scientist with his mad science and debating skillz:

132 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2015 2:22:11pm

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh, this was in the middle of that:

133 darthstar  Apr 18, 2015 2:30:38pm

Pics from my SUP session today…first time out on a paddle board. Good fun. Of course, my wife asked, “How the hell did you take a selfie?” (ran into another paddle boarder, of course)

Saw this little guy and his drooling sibling on my SUP ride around Half Moon Bay.
134 Mattand  Apr 18, 2015 2:41:26pm

re: #123 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Rand Paul is saying there’s a huge scandal about to come out on Hillary. What say ye ole’ Charles C.? Any inside info?”

“Yes, I’m fundraising for it!”

So, no inside info, then.

135 darthstar  Apr 18, 2015 2:46:26pm

re: #134 Mattand

“Rand Paul is saying there’s a huge scandal about to come out on Hillary. What say ye ole’ Charles C.? Any inside info?”

“Yes, I’m fundraising for it!”

So, no inside info, then.

So now someone has to ask Rand Paul if he’s associated with Chuck C. Johnson, because we know how Rand Paul loves having racists on his staff.

136 Mattand  Apr 18, 2015 2:47:47pm

re: #102 CuriousLurker

I dunno. At one point he had unpublished all his pages, then (IIRC) he put them back. Don’t know why he finally left for good.

Seems like satt & njd are gone too now.

I pressed Satt a few times about where he stood politically (I think once after he started caucusing with the “Maybe Trayvon Martin had it coming” shit show) and he would always hide behind a “How I vote is private” defense; which, IMO, is a cousin to the “Independent who somehow always votes GOP” shtick.

I think he saw the writing on the wall as the readership here grew, shall we saw, more disenchanted with conservatives in general. Probably the same deal with NJD, but he least seemed likable enough.

Plus NJD didn’t purposely punctuate his posts like ee cummings having a fucking grand mol seizure, like Satt.

137 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2015 2:48:11pm

And now he’s very belatedly discovered that #CalgaryExpo is a thing and is trying to insert himself into that story.

138 darthstar  Apr 18, 2015 2:49:01pm

re: #135 darthstar

So now someone has to ask Rand Paul if he’s associated with Chuck C. Johnson, because we know how Rand Paul loves having racists on his staff.

But it also wouldn’t hurt to tie the little fucker to Rand…

139 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 18, 2015 2:49:09pm

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

And he now he’s very belatedly discovered that #CalgaryExpo is a thing and is trying to insert himself into that story.

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Please Chuck, leave Canada alone.

/

140 Nyet  Apr 18, 2015 2:49:32pm

re: #130 Charles Johnson

Definitely sounds like a ruse.

I found a site with lots of Breivik’s letters written to various neo-Nazis (e.g. to Beate Zschäpe). In a 05.07.12 letter to an unnamed Russian neo-Nazi he writes in accordance with the “manifesto”:

All Asian, Africans and Southern Europeans who are defined as disloyal towards the interests of the indigenous peoples (Nordics) should be deported. All jews who are disloyal towards the interests of the indigenous peoples (Nordics) should be deported. In reality, this will mean that more than 80% of them will be deported. However, I do support Israel’s struggle against Jihad. We should not forget that there is a minority of Israeli Jews (20%) that shares our ideology of ethnocentric nationalism and they too want to deport the disloyal foreigners from their country. So no, I’m not a “Zionist”. And is it true that I am against National Socialism? Well, yes. But this means that I am against the 20% of the negative policies of National Socialism; the expansionistic nature (I’m an isolationist) and the anti-semitic nature (I’m not against all Jews, only against the disloyal Jews which make out approximately 80%), and the anti-Christian nature (I believe Christendom can be reformed into an ethnocentric militant Christendom somewhat like it was before the enlightenment-reforms).

Also:

But the compendium 2083 was written for Western Europe only, so a Russian translation and version should be adapted for the circumstances in Russia in order to make good use of it. Keep in mind though that the manifesto 2083 is a draft and not a finished product. I do stand for almost everything written in it with some exception.

What I think he was trying to do with the disavowal letter is trying to gain more cred among the hardcore Nazis for building his proposed “prison network”.

141 Chrysicat  Apr 18, 2015 2:52:52pm

re: #133 darthstar

Yikes. That thing looks even more likely to dump you in the water than a surfski was. And definitely more than a sea kayak or sea canoe.

142 darthstar  Apr 18, 2015 2:59:02pm

re: #141 Chrysicat

Yikes. That thing look even more likely to dump you in the water than a surfski was. And definitely more than a sea kayak or sea canoe.

Actually, it was quite stable. Large floater of a board. It was my first time out on one and I stayed dry the whole time…even fished out some plastic I saw in the harbor and stacked it on the board as I toured around.

But yes, it’s quite easy to fall off…and I suspect I will. I only went out because my wife wants to go out with her girlfriend and she didn’t know the process for checking out a board at the yacht club…(there isn’t one). I was out for about an hour and went all over the place…even checked out the abalone farm near the harbor entrance.

Abalone Farm
143 Nyet  Apr 18, 2015 3:02:33pm

From the trial transcripts, 04.06.2012:

15:10 Lippestad: - We have heard the experts say about the ideologues and thinkers within the right-wing environment. I would like to hear who you have been affected by. You mentioned someone in an interview in October?

15:11 Breivik: - It is very important to emphasize that the distinction between methodological influences and role models. There are many different role models.

15:12 Lippestad pull off some names: - Robert Spencer? Fjordman?

15:12 Breivik: - They write very well, but they do not support violence.

15:12 Lippestad: - Pam Gellar?

15:13 Breivik: - She’s a Jew, but supports the struggle.

Also this:

Interrogation of the accused 08.02.12

[…]

About role models:

“moderate, non-violent ideologues on the right, as Fjordman, Robert Spencer, etc., have been important to convey a truth that does not appear in the media. They are then “ideological role models.” “Methodological role models,” ie “military role models” in relation to the method used. Here is perhaps the most important role model Al. Qaeda and other Islamist groups. “

144 marsl  Apr 18, 2015 3:03:57pm

Likud is becoming a far-right party, because of the their refusal of a negociated solution for the israeli-palestinian conflit.
Their refusal means that heir main supporters are the settlers and religious Jews, who are the most conservative people in Israel.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
For the european far-right parties, the Muslims replaced the Jews and the Communists as main enemies.
So, this unholy alliance is some kind of natural.
Also, Israel is becoming tired of the lack of support from the european goverments, who prefers the petrodollars and not the shekels.
For me, as a european, Europe is becoming something very nasty.

145 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 3:08:41pm

re: #140 Nyet

I found a site with lots of Breivik’s letters written to various neo-Nazis (e.g. to Beate Zschäpe). In a 05.07.12 letter to an unnamed Russian neo-Nazi he writes in accordance with the “manifesto”:

Also:

What I think he was trying to do with the disavowal letter is trying to gain more cred among the hardcore Nazis for building his proposed “prison network”.

Yes, that’s very likely the reason. Trying to curry favor with the Nazis he knows he’ll encounter in prison. It doesn’t ring true at all that he created that massive document just to mislead people.

146 Nyet  Apr 18, 2015 3:09:19pm

Anders Behring Breivik Court Statement 2012-06-04

It is very important to emphasize the distinction between ideological and methodological role models. The ideological role models do not support violence, but they describe the ideology very thoroughly. But when it comes to methodological role models you have Al Qaeda.

When it comes to ideological role models Robert Spencer describes problems in a good way. The same for Fjordman. They describe Europe’s problems even if they do not support violence. Bat Yeor also describes very well. Pamela Geller supports the efforts against the Islamization of the U.S. but she is Jewish herself so she does not support the European Rights of Indigenous Peoples. Bruce Bawer describes the censorship and sums up Europe’s problems. Andrew Bostom is good at some issues.

147 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 3:10:16pm

re: #144 marsl

And it really doesn’t help the situation for Jews in Europe when Israel’s dominant political party is aligning with fascist groups. It’s a vicious cycle that can’t possibly end well.

148 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 3:12:44pm

re: #146 Nyet

You have no idea how happy I am that I strongly renounced all those people long before Breivik committed his horrible crimes. It would have crushed me to have him cite my name at his trial.

It didn’t even slow down Spencer, Geller, Bostom and Fjordman, though.

149 Nyet  Apr 18, 2015 3:17:29pm

re: #145 Charles Johnson

In his letters he writes:

Me and other patriots are in the process of building up a prison network in Northern Europe for politically oriented prisoners (far right) focussing on the following countries: Germany, Russia, Denmark, Sweden and Norway. But our goal is also to get in touch with ideologically oriented prisoners in other European countries as well.

Judging by the letters, he was beginning to orient himself towards the most extreme neo-Nazis, particularly murderers, like the NSU or Russia’s Nikolay Korolyov. For that purpose he had to erase his ostensible “pro-Israel” (however laughable that label might be as applied to him) image and build a new, even more starkly anti-Jewish image now. Which explains this 180 turn.

150 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2015 3:18:13pm

Just spent an excruciating hour on the phone with my DIL who’s out of work. WalMart did do her exceedingly wrong, after she even won the “employee of the month” award and was not even a perm employee and PT. She got sick with the flu and her COPD didn’t help matters. So, after her dr’s note of a 3 day layout ended, they would call her and tell her not to come in until she was 100% (they even knew she had COPD). So as she said, she’ll never be “100%”. So, after about 4 more days of not working, they fired her. And according to her, they get away with it all the time. Now she’s looking for work.

Meanwhile, I asked about her health ins, which she is paying $20/mo for, after her complaints about “Obamacare”, ad nauseam, and had to explain to her how the 3 branches of govt works, because after all, it’s all fucking Obama’s fault!.

I had to tell her that because the Rs in Raleigh didn’t accept Medicaid expansion, if not for “Obamacare”, she would have no health care at all, and if it came down to it, I’d pay the $20/mo. Of course, she’s not going to stop smoking, either, and even in her condition she thinks she can hold down a FT job or work as many hours as she can get. She is a hard worker, if unskilled except at retail, but I try to convince her to pace herself better because they don’t appreciate it anyway and she’s just going to kill herself trying. {sigh} She’s really in worse health than I am and only 46.

151 #FergusonFireside  Apr 18, 2015 3:23:06pm

re: #105 CuriousLurker

Heh, yeah, not much of a tag team left.

I don’t miss the morning wingnut wave.

152 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2015 3:28:03pm

Now Chuck is calling a gamer “honey”.

This will end well…

153 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2015 3:28:16pm

The above is certainly not an isolated case among people I know, either.

My next door neighbor, who hasn’t really been working, has been without health coverage for a long time. She started a new job this afternoon at a grocery chain. I don’t know how long she can hold up to it since she’s morbidly obese and has numerous health issues.

She also was unable to get Medicaid, because it’s not offered in NC unless you have underaged kids (hers are all over 18 now) or are on SSI disability. She’s not even 40 yet.

154 allegro  Apr 18, 2015 3:30:30pm

re: #150 Justanotherhuman

Didn’t she get hit with a major added cost on her insurance for smoking? On the federal exchange it’s like +$300/mo.

That actually kinda pisses me off to see only smokers thusly punished with exorbitantly higher costs when I see guys zooming about on motorcycles and no helmets, gun nuts swinging their penis extensions about, and other such behavior guaranteed to result in high medical bills.

155 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2015 3:33:31pm

re: #154 allegro

Didn’t she get hit with a major added cost on her insurance for smoking? On the federal exchange it’s like +$300/mo.

That actually kinda pisses me off to see only smokers thusly punished with exorbitantly higher costs when I see guys zooming about on motorcycles and no helmets, gun nuts swinging their penis extensions about, and other such behavior guaranteed to result in high medical bills.

She didn’t even mention that, but she would have told them no. She’s not totally dumb, just can’t kick the habit.

Sometimes people have so little in life, they will keep up the very habit that might wind up killing them. I’ve seen it happen over and over. You may have, also.

156 allegro  Apr 18, 2015 3:39:16pm

re: #155 Justanotherhuman

She didn’t even mention that, but she would have told them no. She’s not totally dumb, just can’t kick the habit.

Sometimes people have so little in life, they will keep up the very habit that might wind up killing them. I’ve seen it happen over and over. You may have, also.

It wasn’t my intent to be judgmental - I totally get the grip of nicotine. I only quit cigarettes by replacing them with vaping, something she might try as well especially since it costs only a fraction of cigarettes. I was just curious about her low cost of insurance and wondering if that penalty was only imposed on those of us on the federal exchange.

157 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2015 3:52:33pm

re: #156 allegro

It wasn’t my intent to be judgmental - I totally get the grip of nicotine. I only quit cigarettes by replacing them with vaping, something she might try as well especially since it costs only a fraction of cigarettes. I was just curious about her low cost of insurance and wondering if that penalty was only imposed on those of us on the federal exchange.

I don’t know. She didn’t go through healthcare.gov, but bought outside with a company called “Coventry One”. It actually pays quite a bit with a low co-pay (except for the nebulizer she is supposed to use, which is a $55 co-pay), so it sounds like a good deal for someone with not much income.

The fact of the matter is, though, that most of us, even on Medicare, are paying pretty high co-pays in spite of having coverage. Medical costs are just skyrocketing and I’m hard pressed to keep up, and putting off a couple of procedures I need to have since the bills are still piling up from my last round of dr visits, lab tests, cat scan, mammogram, etc.

Some stuff which Medicare used to pay fully, or almost so, aren’t being paid like that anymore because costs are rising above what their schedules dictate paying. For instance, I’ve never had to pay anything on an ambulance bill until the ride the Fri evening after Thanksgiving and got a bill that included mileage and a balance of over $100 recently.


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