Saturday Afternoon Jam: Death Cab for Cutie, NPR Music Tiny Desk Concert

An intimate set from an excellent band
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This is a really great live performance by Death Cab for Cutie. I was trying to think who singer Ben Gibbard’s voice reminds me of, when it suddenly hit me: he sounds like a less edgy version of Stan Ridgway from Wall of Voodoo.

(Their name, by the way, comes from a song by another of my favorite bands, the wacky British Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band.)

Death Cab For Cutie came as a trio: Ben Gibbard sang, Nick Harmer played bass, and we wheeled in our piano for Zac Rae. This intimate set included two new songs — including “Black Sun,” the first single from their new album Kintsugi.

The album title refers to the Japanese art of reassembling broken pottery and making the breakage part of the newly formed pot. Death Cab For Cutie, a groundbreaking band formed in 1997, has gone through its own rebuilding of sorts. Chris Walla, a founding member of the band, has left, after contributing music to Kintsugi, but that’s his farewell offering.

Death Cab For Cutie is still strongly defined by Gibbard’s words, and that couldn’t be more evident in this beautifully stark performance, which also includes “No Room In Frame” from Kintsugi, as well as two stripped-down favorites from the past. One, “Your Heart Is An Empty Room,” is from Plans, while a beautiful love song from Transatlanticism, “Passenger Seat,” moistened more than a few eyes in the crowd.

Set List
“Black Sun” 0:07
“No Room In Frame” 5:13
“Your Heart Is An Empty Room” 9:23
“Passenger Seat” 14:00

Credits
Producers: Bob Boilen, Maggie Starbard; Audio Engineer: Kevin Wait; Videographers: Maggie Starbard, Carlos Waters; Assistant Producer: Emily Jan; photo by Emily Jan/NPR

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537 comments
1 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 18, 2015 3:40:48pm

Any thread that begins with Death Cab for Cutie then includes mentions of Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band and Wall of Voodoo is already platinum in my book.

2 ObserverArt  Apr 18, 2015 3:57:52pm

Nice Tiny Music performance. I really like Ben Gibbard’s voice and his phrasing.

When I heard this tune (YouTube - Long Album Version) back years ago, I was hooked on Death Cab for Cutie. I’m not sure what it is, but there is a haunting loneliness to his voice. The music to this tune fit his voice perfectly. It gives me chills.

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3 BigPapa  Apr 18, 2015 3:58:06pm

The Periodic Table of Irrational Nonsense

4 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2015 3:58:43pm

They were formed in 1997?

Christalmighty, that was 18 yrs ago. I am getting very old. : )

5 Nyet  Apr 18, 2015 4:02:47pm

re: #3 BigPapa

The Periodic Table of Irrational Nonsense

Neat!

6 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 18, 2015 4:03:46pm

re: #4 Justanotherhuman

They were formed in 1997?

Christalmighty, that was 18 yrs ago. I am getting very old. : )

Time goes by quickly my friend.

7 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2015 4:04:07pm

re: #3 BigPapa

The Periodic Table of Irrational Nonsense

They left out the “illuminati”.

8 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 18, 2015 4:04:54pm

re: #7 Justanotherhuman

They left out the “illuminati”.

18 - AKA New World Order (Il)

9 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2015 4:07:17pm

re: #6 Eclectic Cyborg

Time goes by quickly my friend.

Yeah, I’m lucky to be ambulatory, I suppose. ; )

I still love driving down the road with the sun roof open and listening to either Pink Floyd or the 1812 Overture.

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10 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2015 4:15:09pm

Most people probably think astronauts just float around the cabin all day…

11 b.d.  Apr 18, 2015 4:19:08pm

Why hasn’t the new Texas wingnut Governor Abbott mobilized the National Guard or sent additional DPS troopers down to where the bagger media says the ISIS army is routinely crossing over?

12 ObserverArt  Apr 18, 2015 4:22:56pm

re: #11 b.d.

Why hasn’t the new Texas wingnut Governor Abbott mobilized the National Guard or sent additional DPS troopers down to where the bagger media says ISIS is routinely crossing over?

Yeah!

And where are the patrol boats with Ricky Perry on ‘em??? Oh wait, he is too busy kissing butt in New Hampshire pretending he has a chance in hell of getting the GOP nomination.

I guess the ol’ southern border isn’t a problem until the next mention of immigration hits the GOP parroting points.

13 jaunte  Apr 18, 2015 4:25:06pm

re: #11 b.d.

14 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2015 4:25:43pm

re: #11 b.d.

Easier to talk than to act, eh?

And bagger media doesn’t even get upset over that. They know it’s just lies they’re spouting, but someone “out there” will believe it.

Idiots.

15 b.d.  Apr 18, 2015 4:27:07pm

re: #13 jaunte

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I think the answer is no obvious, we must impeach that RINO Abbott and keep impeaching the Governors until they come with a few dead Mexico living ISIS Army members.

16 Nyet  Apr 18, 2015 4:27:22pm

re: #13 jaunte

They arrested a dozen prayer rugs!

17 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 4:27:47pm

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18 jaunte  Apr 18, 2015 4:28:25pm

Fox Austin, Feb 23:

Republican Gov. Greg Abbott is keeping the Texas National Guard on the border until they’re replaced by troopers.

But Democrats and some Republicans are showing frustration with a skyrocketing tab is approaching $1 billion since 2008. Border security was major issue among GOP voters last year, but Democrats and some Republicans want better metrics attached to more money.

The state last week announced it will offer fast-tracker training to veteran Texas police officers who want to become troopers.
myfoxaustin.com

Maybe we can get some 73 year olds who want to shoot up some suspected ISIS river-crossers.

20 A Cranky One  Apr 18, 2015 4:30:34pm

In evil moments, I think about starting a rumor that Obama is waiting until the election and then will declare martial law and put everyone who voted Republican into the FEMA camps (after confiscating their guns, of course).

Think CCJ would bite? <evil grin>

21 b.d.  Apr 18, 2015 4:31:37pm

re: #18 jaunte

Fox Austin, Feb 23:

Maybe we can get some 73 year olds who want to shoot up some suspected ISIS river-crossers.

Nothing at all could ever go wrong with that.

22 Nyet  Apr 18, 2015 4:32:41pm

re: #21 b.d.

Nothing at all could ever go wrong with that.

They might meet O’Queef in a Bin Laden mask…

23 #FergusonFireside  Apr 18, 2015 4:38:53pm

re: #12 ObserverArt

Yeah!

And where are the patrol boats with Ricky Perry on ‘em??? Oh wait, he is too busy kissing butt in New Hampshire pretending he has a chance in hell of getting the GOP nomination.

I guess the ol’ southern border isn’t a problem until the next mention of immigration hits the GOP parroting points.

Ted Cruz in New Hampshire had a line (I’m paraphrasing)….abolish the IRS and send the 90k people who work for it to the border. Imagine an illegal seeing an IRS agent? They’d run back home…

Disgusting.

And beyond common sense to say out loud we should lay off 90K fellow Americans.

But that’s Ted.

24 teleskiguy  Apr 18, 2015 4:40:07pm
25 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2015 4:40:27pm

Someone questions Chuck’s fundraiser:

26 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2015 4:42:49pm

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

Someone questions Chuck’s fundraiser:

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Apparently, grifting is a “business model” in Chuck’s world.

27 stpaulbear  Apr 18, 2015 4:44:21pm

Bwahahaha.

When George Lucas tried to expand his production company studios in California’s wealthy Marin County, the community pushed back. Then the “Star Wars” creator wanted to sell the land to a developer who would build affordable housing.

“It’s inciting class warfare,” Carolyn Lenert, then head of the North San Rafael Coalition of Residents, told The New York Times at the time.

Now, two years after that project stalled, Lucas has decided to build the affordable housing and pay for it all himself.

“We’ve got enough millionaires here. What we need is some houses for regular working people,” Lucas said through his lawyer Gary Giacomini.

Because providing housing for service industry employees is just like waging war on the rich.

28 Varek Raith  Apr 18, 2015 4:47:59pm

People are assholes.
I was on Sudley Road earlier and an ambulance was passing through. No one would move.

29 b.d.  Apr 18, 2015 4:48:26pm

re: #18 jaunte

Fox Austin, Feb 23:

Maybe we can get some 73 year olds who want to shoot up some suspected ISIS river-crossers.

$1 Billion of Texans tax dollars and zero arrests?

30 stpaulbear  Apr 18, 2015 4:48:52pm

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

Someone questions Chuck’s fundraiser:

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Is he up to $500 yet?

31 Bubblehead II  Apr 18, 2015 4:51:34pm

Evening Lizards. The Falcons are back. 4 eggs so far.

32 jaunte  Apr 18, 2015 4:52:49pm

re: #29 b.d.

$1 Billion of Texans tax dollars and zero arrests?

According to this AP article, (2014) The Border Patrol has arrested 420,000 in the last budget year:
mercurynews.com

I think he’s talking about just the National Guard deployment.

33 jaunte  Apr 18, 2015 4:54:20pm

The Posse Comitatus act prevents the National Guard from making arrests.
houstonchronicle.com

So it’s right to wonder why we’re spending the money.

35 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2015 4:55:23pm

Oh, Scahill still looking for his next “scoop”, too.

Glenn Greenwald retweeted
jeremy scahill @jeremyscahill * Apr 17
The U.S. is “doing shady stuff behind the scenes” in Germany to run its drone war, says ex-drone operator interc.pt

Judge for yourself, but that “doing shady stuff behind the scenes” isn’t exactly what that blip said it is. More of an opinion, nothing more.

“…Bryant, who has become an outspoken critic of the drone program, told The Intercept. The U.S. is “doing shady stuff behind the scenes like using satellite and information technologies that, if able to continue being used, are going to just continue to perpetuate the drone war,” he charged.

And Gilgamesh, people!

These are not serious journalists. Are there any out there?

36 b.d.  Apr 18, 2015 4:55:23pm

This is the writing of a Super Genius?

I need $40,000 to hire private eyes, pick up the material, run the requisite stupidly expensive tests, and produce a high production quality video.

Any money leftover (and there shouldn’t be) or raised over the will be used as a fund to induce people in the Clinton world to leak material to us. As there is serious dissension in the Clinton empire, this shouldn’t be too hard to get them to rat on one another. (We are also working at establishing more connection with the hacker Guccifer to see if we obtain some of his materials legally.)

37 b.d.  Apr 18, 2015 4:56:06pm

re: #33 jaunte

The Posse Comitatus act prevents the National Guard from making arrests.
houstonchronicle.com

So it’s right to wonder why we’re spending the money.

$1 Billion for a bunch of guys to stand around and not do anything but the baggers hate govt. waste.

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38 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 18, 2015 4:56:21pm

re: #30 stpaulbear

Is he up to $500 yet?

$630 actually.

39 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 4:57:55pm
40 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 4:58:06pm

It never stops.

41 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 5:03:14pm

Two of the worst stalkers have been suspended by Twitter recently, so the second string of psychos is now acting up.

42 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 5:03:50pm
43 b.d.  Apr 18, 2015 5:04:00pm

re: #35 Justanotherhuman

Oh, Scahill still looking for his next “scoop”, too.

Glenn Greenwald retweeted
jeremy scahill @jeremyscahill * Apr 17
The U.S. is “doing shady stuff behind the scenes” in Germany to run its drone war, says ex-drone operator interc.pt

Judge for yourself, but that “doing shady stuff behind the scenes” isn’t exactly what that blip said it is. More of an opinion, nothing more.

“…Bryant, who has become an outspoken critic of the drone program, told The Intercept. The U.S. is “doing shady stuff behind the scenes like using satellite and information technologies that, if able to continue being used, are going to just continue to perpetuate the drone war,” he charged.

And Gilgamesh, people!

These are not serious journalists. Are there any out there?

Schaill may be the worst of the insufferable “founding editors” of The Intercept he has always been a piece of work but he has completely gone off the rails once his co-worker won an Academy Award after he got snubbed.

44 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 5:04:44pm

They love to jump into my conversations with followers and post weird insults. They think they’re gaining something by doing this - but they just look like complete insane freaks to any normal people.

45 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 18, 2015 5:05:25pm

re: #43 b.d.

An outspoken critic is such an unbiased, objective source.

46 b.d.  Apr 18, 2015 5:07:45pm

re: #45 Eclectic Cyborg

An outspoken critic is such an unbiased, objective source.

Scahill doing that story is like having Donald Trump write an article on what the historical impact of the Obama Administration will be.

47 b_sharp  Apr 18, 2015 5:09:47pm

re: #31 Bubblehead II

Evening Lizards. The Falcons are back. 4 eggs so far.

We have a couple of families of the peregrine’s cousins, merlins, living close by.

48 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 5:12:50pm

Pretty soon these psychotic nutcases will have been stalking and harassing me every single day for TEN fucking years.

49 #FergusonFireside  Apr 18, 2015 5:15:29pm
50 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 5:17:15pm

Looks like Chuck got two suckers to contribute $100 each to his CLINTON SECRET OPPO PROJECT today.

51 teleskiguy  Apr 18, 2015 5:18:01pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

Yikes. The dominant pathology is latent psychopathy.

Psychotic losers, all.

52 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 5:18:35pm
53 #FergusonFireside  Apr 18, 2015 5:19:29pm

Reminds me of this one, I saw it from my window when we lived in the area looking over Lindbergh field in SD.

54 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2015 5:19:34pm

re: #43 b.d.

Who are these people who think that using drones with satellite and information technology to pinpoint targets of one or a few people (like leaders and commanders of forces) is worse than, say, using thousands of bombs and killing hundreds or thousands?

55 b.d.  Apr 18, 2015 5:19:35pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

Looks like Chuck got two suckers to contribute $100 each to his CLINTON SECRET OPPO PROJECT today.

It’s probably him donating to get the ball rolling.

56 Bubblehead II  Apr 18, 2015 5:21:16pm

re: #47 b_sharp

We have a couple of families of the peregrine’s cousins, merlins, living close by.

Cool. This is the second year for me watching them.

57 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2015 5:22:59pm

re: #55 b.d.

It’s probably him donating to get the ball rolling.

Probably his wife and mother in law from whom he borrowed the money.

58 b.d.  Apr 18, 2015 5:24:39pm

re: #54 Justanotherhuman

Who are these people who think that using drones with satellite and information technology to pinpoint targets of one or a few people (like leaders and commanders of forces) is worse than, say, using thousands of bombs and killing hundreds or thousands?

Exactly, wake me up when President Obama kills as many total civilians as FDR did in one night during WW2.

I guess that a US pilot has to have the opportunity to be killed for it to be an ok weapon?

59 b_sharp  Apr 18, 2015 5:26:01pm

re: #56 Bubblehead II

Cool. This is the second year for me watching them.

We have several peregrins downtown but they were seeded there. The merlins came back because cats & dogs now have to be leashed in the city.

60 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2015 5:26:07pm

Awww.

61 Bubblehead II  Apr 18, 2015 5:26:09pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

Pretty soon these psychotic nutcases will have been stalking and harassing me every single day for TEN fucking years.

I haven’t popped up on their radar as often as Gus, CL, DF and others. Wonder what I am doing wrong?

62 teleskiguy  Apr 18, 2015 5:26:26pm
Someone get me an ice pack.
63 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2015 5:27:30pm

re: #62 teleskiguy

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Without a helmet?

64 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 5:28:17pm

Uh, no, we can’t.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen an ego so out of control, and I’m a musician for Pete’s sake.

65 teleskiguy  Apr 18, 2015 5:29:22pm

Scott Walker’s gonna ride a Harley through New Hampshire. He’s so cool! I’mma vote for him!

The damn election is something like 19 months away, folks. I’m going to get brain damage from all the *headdesks*.

66 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 5:29:22pm

re: #61 Bubblehead II

They really hate Gus because he wrote a post exposing “Rodan” as the psychotic racist he is.

67 b_sharp  Apr 18, 2015 5:31:03pm

re: #64 Charles Johnson

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Uh, no, we can’t.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen an ego so out of control, and I’m a musician for Pete’s sake.

Pete Seeger?

68 b.d.  Apr 18, 2015 5:32:03pm

re: #65 teleskiguy

Scott Walker’s gonna ride a Harley through New Hampshire. He’s so cool! I’mma vote for him!

The damn election is something like 19 months away, folks. I’m going to get brain damage from all the *headdesks*.

The New Hampshire Primary is on Feb. 20th, he should do it a week before that for prime impact.

69 stpaulbear  Apr 18, 2015 5:33:41pm

re: #62 teleskiguy

Because everyone likes it when 3-4 dozen reving Harleys pull into town.

70 Bubblehead II  Apr 18, 2015 5:33:45pm

re: #59 b_sharp

We have several peregrins downtown but they were seeded there. The merlins came back because cats & dogs now have to be leashed in the city.

Were I work, we have an owl that has built a nest in one of the letters of our sign (on a 10 story building). Would be cool if they would install camera to monitor the nest.

71 b.d.  Apr 18, 2015 5:33:46pm

re: #64 Charles Johnson

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Uh, no, we can’t.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen an ego so out of control, and I’m a musician for Pete’s sake.

Why does Wikileaks publishing the stolen documents mean that North Korea didn’t steal them?

72 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 5:34:42pm

re: #71 b.d.

Why does Wikileaks publishing the stolen documents mean that North Korea didn’t steal them?

Who knows? It apparently makes sense in Chuckworld.

73 teleskiguy  Apr 18, 2015 5:35:12pm

Whoa. Just noticed a slight code change. Hover your cursor over the karma pluses and minuses, the comment edit buttons. They…shift.

74 b_sharp  Apr 18, 2015 5:36:53pm

re: #73 teleskiguy

Whoa. Just noticed a slight code change. Hover your cursor over the karma pluses and minuses, the comment edit buttons. They…shift.

You’ve been asleep.

75 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2015 5:36:56pm

re: #68 b.d.

The New Hampshire Primary is on Feb. 20th, he should do it a week before that for prime impact.

Maybe he’ll just keep on riding into the sunset…

76 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2015 5:38:02pm

re: #73 teleskiguy

Whoa. Just noticed a slight code change. Hover your cursor over the karma pluses and minuses, the comment edit buttons. They…shift.

And give off seekret messages, too!

77 stpaulbear  Apr 18, 2015 5:38:37pm

re: #67 b_sharp

Pete Seeger?

At least Seeger spent his life trying to expand the rights of people on the bottom rather than trashing them.

78 Bubblehead II  Apr 18, 2015 5:40:58pm

re: #60 Justanotherhuman

Awww.

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Practice makes perfect. Elon never said that doing this would be a walk in the park. Hell, he predicted it would be a failure from the get go. But, they would figure out how to do it. And they will. Because lets face it, if we could land a man on the moon with a computer that had a bit more processing power than a C-64 we can land a booster on a barge sitting off the coast.

79 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 18, 2015 5:41:29pm

re: #53 #FergusonFireside

Reminds me of this one, I saw it from my window when we lived in the area looking over Lindbergh field in SD.

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Were both the right and left engines FOX, or just the one?
;P

80 teleskiguy  Apr 18, 2015 5:43:18pm
81 b_sharp  Apr 18, 2015 5:43:42pm

Watching Annie Lennox.

The old girl can still sing.

82 Bubblehead II  Apr 18, 2015 5:44:26pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

They really hate Gus because he wrote a post exposing “Rodan” as the psychotic racist he is.

Yep. And if I am not mistaken, that was one of the reasons you distanced yourself and this blog from them.

83 A Cranky One  Apr 18, 2015 5:46:31pm

re: #55 b.d.

It’s probably him donating to get the ball rolling.

That was my thought as well.

84 Bubblehead II  Apr 18, 2015 5:47:19pm

re: #73 teleskiguy

Whoa. Just noticed a slight code change. Hover your cursor over the karma pluses and minuses, the comment edit buttons. They…shift.

You still in Utah? As for the shifting, noticed that a couple of days ago. Still trying figure out the private comment addition.

85 #FergusonFireside  Apr 18, 2015 5:47:37pm

I’m having the flashing reload reload reload reload on chrome.

86 teleskiguy  Apr 18, 2015 5:49:00pm

re: #84 Bubblehead II

I’m back home. Skied Vail today. What a difference fresh snow makes.

87 b_sharp  Apr 18, 2015 5:49:48pm

re: #85 #FergusonFireside

I’m having the flashing reload reload reload reload on chrome.

RUN! ITS ABOUT TO BLOW!!!

88 #FergusonFireside  Apr 18, 2015 5:49:48pm

re: #85 #FergusonFireside

I’m having the flashing reload reload reload reload on chrome.

I reloaded & it stopped. :)

89 b_sharp  Apr 18, 2015 5:50:29pm

re: #88 #FergusonFireside

I reloaded & it stopped. :)

YOU SAVED US! BLESS YOU STANLEY!

90 Justanotherhuman  Apr 18, 2015 5:51:08pm

Later, Lizards!

Keep calm…

re: #80 teleskiguy

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Well, just, what was that again?

More word salad from a sitting governor?

91 #FergusonFireside  Apr 18, 2015 5:51:21pm

re: #89 b_sharp

YOU SAVED US! BLESS YOU STANLEY!

You are very welcome.

Send money.

92 Bubblehead II  Apr 18, 2015 5:52:57pm

re: #86 teleskiguy

I’m back home. Skied Vail today. What a difference fresh snow makes.

Bummer. I don’t know if you got my IM on twitter, but if you are ever up my way, like skiing Sun Valley, drop me a line. I’ll buy you lunch/dinner.

93 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 18, 2015 5:54:33pm

re: #62 teleskiguy

Scott Walker floats the idea of a two-day Harley tour of all 10 New Hampshire counties.

Born to be nearly wiiiiild
Born to be nearly wiiiiild!

94 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 5:55:24pm

Excuse me while I file some reports on these psychos.

95 teleskiguy  Apr 18, 2015 5:56:54pm

re: #92 Bubblehead II

I got that. I replied. :)

Haven’t skied Idaho in four years. Maybe a trip up there if I take up this dude - who comes in the ski shop a lot who has a house at The Yellowstone Club, “Oh man, Charlie, nobody skis this place!” No shit! - on a trip further north. Maybe next winter.

96 Nyet  Apr 18, 2015 5:57:14pm

re: #93 Higgs Boson’s Mate

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97 Bubblehead II  Apr 18, 2015 5:57:16pm

OK, this one should go into the weird news category.

Parrots call for help in Canyon County house fire

98 Nyet  Apr 18, 2015 6:04:12pm

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99 A Cranky One  Apr 18, 2015 6:05:48pm

re: #84 Bubblehead II

You still in Utah? As for the shifting, noticed that a couple of days ago. Still trying figure out the private comment addition.

To use the new private feature, do the following:

[priv] your content here [/priv] except use the word “private” instead of “priv”.

Private Comment

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100 PhillyPretzel  Apr 18, 2015 6:06:21pm

re: #97 Bubblehead II

That reminds me of an old TV show called Baretta. He was exhausted and the phone rang. His bird answered and then woke him up. After his CO heard how tired Baretta was he said put the bird back on he sounds better.

101 Bubblehead II  Apr 18, 2015 6:07:24pm

re: #95 teleskiguy

I got that. I replied. :)

Haven’t skied Idaho in four years. Maybe a trip up there if I take up this dude - who comes in the ski shop a lot who has a house at The Yellowstone Club, “Oh man, Charlie, nobody skis this place!” No shit! - on a trip further north. Maybe next winter.

Well if you do get up here, drop me a line. I’ll be there until I A. get fired (unlikely), B. die or C. Retire.

102 Bubblehead II  Apr 18, 2015 6:08:37pm

re: #99 A Cranky One

To use the new private feature, do the following:

[priv] your content here [/priv] except use the word “private” instead of “priv”.

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Thanks

103 Great White Snark  Apr 18, 2015 6:12:06pm

Charles sorry stepped away to some post on todays shots. Your question about settings…

104 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 6:13:17pm

re: #103 Great White Snark

Charles sorry stepped away to some post on todays shots. Your question about settings…

Thanks! Speedy.

105 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 6:13:56pm
106 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 6:18:28pm

Chuck is now starting to defend Jeremiah True in earnest.

107 GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 18, 2015 6:19:05pm

re: #58 b.d.

Or Bush in 2003.

108 PhillyPretzel  Apr 18, 2015 6:19:51pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

I would love to help him but I just cannot reach him. ///…

109 CBGB  Apr 18, 2015 6:20:01pm

Ugh, did Edmonton really just win the McDavid sweepstakes?

Ugh.

110 jaunte  Apr 18, 2015 6:20:35pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

Help me out here.

Seriously? He’s a sociopath.

111 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 6:22:16pm
112 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 18, 2015 6:26:02pm

re: #105 Charles Johnson

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That whole thing is so fucking stupid. How does it help the birthers’ cause? If it were true, all that would do is give Obama one for-sure-American-citizen-resident-in-the-United-States-for-more-than-so-many-years-after-the-age-of-whatever-the-fuck parent.

113 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 18, 2015 6:29:32pm

re: #112 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

They are Otaku who have unfortunately specialized in bullshit.

114 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 6:30:38pm

re: #112 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

That whole thing is so fucking stupid. How does it help the birthers’ cause? If it were true, all that would do is give Obama one for-sure-American-citizen-resident-in-the-United-States-for-more-than-so-many-years-after-the-age-of-whatever-the-fuck parent.

The real Birthers know this, and they’re bashing Chuck right now for bringing it up.

115 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 18, 2015 6:32:21pm

re: #114 Charles Johnson

The real Birthers know this, and they’re bashing Chuck right now for bringing it up.

Oh well…please proceed, Chuck.

116 b_sharp  Apr 18, 2015 6:34:39pm

re: #109 CBGB

Ugh, did Edmonton really just win the McDavid sweepstakes?

Ugh.

From what I hear.

I was hoping the Leafs would get him and Domi.

117 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 6:35:14pm
118 A Cranky One  Apr 18, 2015 6:35:44pm

re: #111 Charles Johnson

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Sooper genius couldn’t take 10 seconds to look up assault?

In common law, assault is the act of creating apprehension of an imminent harmful or offensive contact with a person. An assault is carried out by a threat of bodily harm coupled with an apparent, present ability to cause the harm.

So unwanted touching along with threatening comments meet the definition of assault easily. Since the charge was sexual assault, “sexual abuser” seems approprate.
Note: I am not a lawyer and don’t play one of TV.

119 teleskiguy  Apr 18, 2015 6:36:44pm
120 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 18, 2015 6:37:45pm

re: #117 Charles Johnson

Even his Birther smears are huge fails.

So, Orly Taitz is smarter than he is?

121 #FergusonFireside  Apr 18, 2015 6:37:54pm
122 #FergusonFireside  Apr 18, 2015 6:38:23pm

re: #119 teleskiguy

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Hope air traffic control is on it’s game. That looks crazy.

123 Nyet  Apr 18, 2015 6:38:29pm

re: #112 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

That whole thing is so fucking stupid. How does it help the birthers’ cause?

Since Chuck does not dispute Obama’s birth in the US, his aim is certainly not advancing the birthers’ cause.

124 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 6:40:10pm

Now taking bets that he’ll show up again on Twitter long before Monday.

125 GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 18, 2015 6:40:40pm

Chuck’s dad is BILL THE CAT. CONFIRMED FACT from my source on the inside, yo.

126 CBGB  Apr 18, 2015 6:40:45pm

re: #116 b_sharp

Domi? Max? Tie? All I remember that name from is the Niedermayer incident in 2001…

Personally, I was hoping my Devils would get McDavid butHAHAHAHAH, I can’t even finish typing that sentence. I’d have been OK with Toronto getting him, strangely enough. Kessel would be a shoo-in for 50 every year, skating on his wing.

127 A Cranky One  Apr 18, 2015 6:41:35pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

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Now taking bets that he’ll show up again on Twitter long before Monday.

My bet is that he’ll be drunk tweeting tonight.

128 GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 18, 2015 6:41:45pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

He will be back in a few hours, after a few bumps.

129 teleskiguy  Apr 18, 2015 6:43:06pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

Next few minutes. I’m down for twenty!

130 GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 18, 2015 6:43:28pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

ALPHA MALE!!!!!!

131 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 18, 2015 6:45:21pm

Ha!

132 b_sharp  Apr 18, 2015 6:45:40pm

re: #126 CBGB

Domi? Max? Tie? All I remember that name from is the Niedermayer incident in 2001…

Personally, I was hoping my Devils would get McDavid butHAHAHAHAH, I can’t even finish typing that sentence. I’d have been OK with Toronto getting him, strangely enough. Kessel would be a shoo-in for 50 every year, skating on his wing.

Max.

Domi & McDavid played extremely well in the 2015 world juniors.

133 PhillyPretzel  Apr 18, 2015 6:45:50pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

I think the “wife” is a complete work of fiction. And I agree he will tweet before the end of this weekend.

134 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 18, 2015 6:46:20pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

I don’t drink anymore. Is there a cheap brand of vodka named “Wife”?

135 b_sharp  Apr 18, 2015 6:46:36pm

re: #130 GlutenFreeJesus

ALPHA MALE!!!!!!

Aleph male?

136 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 18, 2015 6:47:00pm

re: #135 b_sharp

Aleph male?

Aleph null.

137 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 6:47:03pm

re: #133 PhillyPretzel

I think the “wife” is a complete work of fiction. And I agree he will tweet before the end of this weekend.

Unfortunately (for her) there really is an Asian wife.

138 PhillyPretzel  Apr 18, 2015 6:47:57pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

She must have needed USA citizenship badly.

139 teleskiguy  Apr 18, 2015 6:49:28pm

Umphrey’s McGee is streaming their show in Austin tonight. The streaming outfit, TourGigs, is beta-testing broadcasting the stream at 4K. The band said up front on their website that there would be problems.

Hey, what do you want for free?

140 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 18, 2015 6:49:43pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

Unfortunately (for her) there really is an Asian wife.

And she has a big calendar with the word “Citizenship” somewhere near the end of it. Each evening she crosses out another day…

141 jaunte  Apr 18, 2015 6:52:37pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

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Now taking bets that he’ll show up again on Twitter long before Monday.

She made him come out of the bathroom. He’ll be back in.

142 teleskiguy  Apr 18, 2015 6:53:32pm
143 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 18, 2015 6:54:28pm

I read the previous thread about the Likud being BFF’s with ACTUAL FUCKING NAZIS and I’m like WTFITS.

144 A Cranky One  Apr 18, 2015 6:56:52pm

If a drugged looking guy were to approach the asian wife, start touching her and making lewd comments, I wonder how Upchuck would react? Would he be fine with it?

He’d probably hypocritically continue to defend Jeremiah True even if it happened, because admitting error isn’t in his repertoire.

To be clear, the asian wife has enough problems; I’m not suggesting I’d want to have the above happen. Besides, it’s all hypothetical anyway because CCJ is such an alpha male that no one would dare. /

145 GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 18, 2015 7:02:01pm

re: #131 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Would be excellent if it was a gay wedding.

146 Bubblehead II  Apr 18, 2015 7:04:09pm

re: #143 Lord Of The Pies

I read the previous thread about the Likud being BFF’s with ACTUAL FUCKING NAZIS and I’m like WTFITS.

Simple. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. It’s going to bite him and Likud in the ass in the end.

147 goddamnedfrank  Apr 18, 2015 7:05:41pm

LOLWUT? Notice he says “if” not “because”. He’s repeatedly asked to clarify and he doesn’t. It’s unambiguously a completely racist / sexist statement.

148 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 18, 2015 7:08:58pm

re: #145 GlutenFreeJesus

Would be excellent if it was a gay wedding.

But can you imagine if your wedding bumped a future president’s first big campaign appearance like that? (Too bad it’s Scooter.)

149 teleskiguy  Apr 18, 2015 7:09:09pm

re: #122 #FergusonFireside

Hope air traffic control is on it’s game. That looks crazy.

Pilots too.

150 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 7:09:27pm
151 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 7:10:07pm

Wow.

152 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 18, 2015 7:10:42pm

re: #147 goddamnedfrank

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LOLWUT? Notice he says “if” not “because”. He’s repeatedly asked to clarify and he doesn’t. It’s unambiguously a completely racist / sexist statement.

He just don’t English gud—and won’t admit it.

153 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 18, 2015 7:11:52pm

So I was looking through my Twitter timeline of the past 24 hours and I found some mention from an idiot who claims inheritance can’t be taxed because it was once somebody’s “earned income” and therefore “already taxed”

I just can’t even.

No I’m not embedding it because I already blocked that dumbshit.

154 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 18, 2015 7:12:01pm

re: #151 Charles Johnson

Wow.

So do you think Reagan would be assassin Hinckley knows Jodi Foster is gay?

Case in point.

156 teleskiguy  Apr 18, 2015 7:12:23pm

re: #151 Charles Johnson

Wow.

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What. The. Fuck?!?
157 Bubblehead II  Apr 18, 2015 7:19:54pm

re: #155 Charles Johnson

National Enquirer Claims Hillary’s Deleted Emails Contained Names of Numerous Lesbian Lovers

An exclusive report by the National Enquirer this week attempted to address that issue, citing an anonymous source close to Clinton who claims she is desperately trying to hide names and details about her many lesbian lovers.

Well I am for sure going to believe an anonymous source. ////

In the the long run, so what? She had a lover who knew how to use her tongue and maybe a strap-on/dildo.

158 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 18, 2015 7:20:57pm

re: #109 CBGB

Ugh, did Edmonton really just win the McDavid sweepstakes?

Ugh.

As was said elsewhere, we continue to try to answer the question of “how many top picks does it take to get into the playoffs?”

I’m just glad my two teams don’t seem to be completely reliant on that as a way to build up their talent base.

159 goddamnedfrank  Apr 18, 2015 7:22:28pm

re: #155 Charles Johnson

Right wing idiots have been spreading the Hillary is a lesbian crap for decades now. I first heard it from a couple of my relatives who were notorious for spreading bullshit. It’s like this viral lie where each teller claims they have “a friend who works in the Secret Service” and he told them Hillary is a Lickalottapus.

160 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 7:22:50pm

Sorry, but I find it very difficult to believe Hillary would send emails containing “lesbian references and lovers’ names.”

Hillary may be a lot of things, but she’s NOT stupid.

161 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 7:23:51pm
162 goddamnedfrank  Apr 18, 2015 7:28:27pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

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163 Decatur Deb  Apr 18, 2015 7:30:14pm

re: #159 goddamnedfrank

Right wing idiots have been spreading the Hillary is a lesbian bullshit for decades now. I first heard it from a couple of my relatives who were notorious for spreading bullshit. It’s like this viral lie where each teller claims they have “a friend who works in the Secret Service” and he told them Hillary is a Lickalottapus.

This could be bad. They might be Republican lesbians.

164 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 7:33:39pm
165 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 7:35:07pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

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Now taking bets that he’ll show up again on Twitter long before Monday.

OK, pay up.

166 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 18, 2015 7:36:40pm

re: #164 Charles Johnson

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3 pump chump?

RBS

167 teleskiguy  Apr 18, 2015 7:37:15pm

re: #165 Charles Johnson

OK, pay up.

I said “minutes” #129 so is this Price is Right rules, closest without going over?

168 Bubblehead II  Apr 18, 2015 7:45:13pm

Night Lizards.

169 A Cranky One  Apr 18, 2015 7:47:06pm

I’m willing to concede, unless he’s already drunk. If he is, I’ll be contacting CCJ’s libel lawyers to do the paperwork to file and prove it was my scoop.

//

170 #FergusonFireside  Apr 18, 2015 7:49:37pm

I just made some really really strong coffee. Fuck sleep tonight I guess.

171 A Cranky One  Apr 18, 2015 7:51:24pm

re: #170 #FergusonFireside

I just made some really really strong coffee. Fuck sleep tonight I guess.

What is this sleep thing of which you speak? ;)

172 #FergusonFireside  Apr 18, 2015 7:52:13pm

re: #171 A Cranky One

What is this sleep thing of which you speak? ;)

I’ll tell you in 48 hrs.

173 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 18, 2015 7:55:22pm

Tonight’s totally irrelevant pet peeve:

Thousand Island dressing is tartar sauce + chili powder, not mayonnaise + hamburger relish!

174 #FergusonFireside  Apr 18, 2015 7:59:47pm
175 sagehen  Apr 18, 2015 8:10:48pm

re: #153 Lord Of The Pies

So I was looking through my Twitter timeline of the past 24 hours and I found some mention from an idiot who claims inheritance can’t be taxed because it was once somebody’s “earned income” and therefore “already taxed”

I just can’t even.

No I’m not embedding it because I already blocked that dumbshit.

Your idiot is actually *WRONG*WRONG*WRONG*.

Some 70% of what would be the taxable part of the estate is unrealized capital gains. It hasn’t been taxed yet.

176 A Cranky One  Apr 18, 2015 8:17:18pm

re: #175 sagehen

Your idiot is actually *WRONG*WRONG*WRONG*.

Some 70% of what would be the taxable part of the estate is unrealized capital gains. It hasn’t been taxed yet.

Well, we know how the republicans feel about capital gains, don’t we?

177 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 18, 2015 8:19:35pm

re: #175 sagehen

Your idiot is actually *WRONG*WRONG*WRONG*.

Some 70% of what would be the taxable part of the estate is unrealized capital gains. It hasn’t been taxed yet.

Wouldn’t matter. They’ve been calling tax on interest “double taxation” and “penalizing thrift” for 80 years that I know about. So they succeeded in virtually eliminating capital gains, now they’re going to eliminate the estate tax.

178 Great White Snark  Apr 18, 2015 8:21:57pm

re: #170 #FergusonFireside

Eh who needs it?
//

179 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 8:22:16pm
180 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 18, 2015 8:23:11pm

This is going to drive me crazy all night. Is there anyone unblocked by UpChuck who could kindly ask him to diagram that “Reagan-assassin-Hinckley” sentence for me?

181 teleskiguy  Apr 18, 2015 8:26:33pm

re: #180 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

He’s saying Hey, John Hinckley had the hots for Jodie Foster so he shot the president - like in Taxi the TV show - so she could fall in love with him. But he doesn’t have a chance with her, she’s teh gayz! HURR HURR DURR!

That’s it. Fucking dim as shit.

182 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 18, 2015 8:29:24pm

re: #181 teleskiguy

He’s saying Hey, John Hinckley had the hots for Jodie Foster so he shot the president - like in Taxi the TV show - so she could fall in love with him. But he doesn’t have a chance with her, she’s teh gayz! HURR HURR DURR!

That’s it. Fucking dim as shit.

I got the thrust of it. I just want this guy who writes the English language for a living (supposedly) to show me how he’s earning it.

183 Great White Snark  Apr 18, 2015 8:31:24pm
184 A Cranky One  Apr 18, 2015 8:33:27pm

re: #182 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I got the thrust of it. I just want this guy who writes the English language for a living (supposedly) to show me how he’s earning it.

Supposedly is right. Assumes facts not in evidence. ;)

185 teleskiguy  Apr 18, 2015 8:36:41pm

re: #182 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I just want this guy who writes the English language for a living (supposedly) to show me how he’s earning it.

Fuck man, the dude just got just north of $600 for his supposed Hillary take down.

186 teleskiguy  Apr 18, 2015 8:47:45pm

Richard Lyons Weil for President.

And while Weil states matter-of-factually, “I’ve got as good a chance as anyone,” his platforms seem specially aimed at the political third-rail: A $22 per hour minimum wage, national legalization and regulation of marijuana, mandatory gun insurance for gun owners and free abortions are just a few of his platforms.

He’s thinking about running as a Democrat but the challenge of getting onto primary ballots might push the candidate toward independent.

187 Jenner7  Apr 18, 2015 8:58:49pm

Video

Beth Gibbons from Portishead

188 A Cranky One  Apr 18, 2015 9:08:35pm

The guitars must have heard me playing the music on this thread. Now they’re nagging me. There’s a 50’s replica Tele in particular that’s being whiny.

They’re like kids sometimes. ;) Later lizards. Sleep tight and don’t let the wingnuts bite.

189 #FergusonFireside  Apr 18, 2015 9:11:14pm

Night all.

Well, not really, I’m sure I’ll be reading till 2 am.

Just done with the ‘net for the evening.

190 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 9:11:41pm

Guthrie Govan is an alien.

…

191 WhatEVs  Apr 18, 2015 9:12:45pm

re: #147 goddamnedfrank

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LOLWUT? Notice he says “if” not “because”.

He does that all the time; use inappropriate words that often changes the meaning completely.

I can only imagine what an embarrassment he is to his institution of higher learning.

192 WhatEVs  Apr 18, 2015 9:15:19pm

re: #152 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

He just don’t English gud—and won’t admit it.

I am GROOT!

193 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 18, 2015 9:21:20pm

re: #191 WhatEVs

He does that all the time; use inappropriate words that often changes the meaning completely.

I can only imagine what an embarrassment he is to his institution of higher learning.

There’s a contributor at another blog I used to follow all the time—someone I respect enormously—who always writes “try and” for “try to”. Depending on the sentence, this can be anything from perfectly fine to an absolute train wreck. I hate to be that kind of guy, but sometimes it was all I could do not to call their attention to it.

194 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 18, 2015 9:29:58pm

well good night gang. Had a fun day, but all that time in the cold water has me ready to crash. Have a great evening and I’ll see ya all later.

195 WhatEVs  Apr 18, 2015 9:32:33pm

re: #193 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I know. I, too, hate being the word police, but sometimes it’s hard not to be a shit. There’s a difference between a typo (which we all do), leaving off words (again, it happens), and sounding like a complete moron by using wording and phrases that makes the author look stupid.

My inner editor goes batshit insane when I see them. It makes me cringe.

196 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 18, 2015 9:33:25pm

re: #179 Charles Johnson

Follow the disastrous exploits of 20-something romantic, Dylan, who must contact all the girls he has ever slept with to inform them that he has Chlamydia.

Someone must be running low on ideas.

197 Chrysicat  Apr 18, 2015 10:05:08pm

re: #153 Lord Of The Pies

If I didn’t know for a fact he’s never touched any social media site, I’d think my father had crossed your timeline somehow :’>

198 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 10:15:49pm
199 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 10:21:38pm
200 Snarknado!  Apr 18, 2015 10:22:59pm

re: #198 Charles Johnson

So now ChuckC is a Christian?

201 Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2015 10:28:01pm
202 Fineday  Apr 18, 2015 10:32:09pm

re: #199 Charles Johnson

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Chuck is a piece of shit, we know that. But are all people named Glenn just assholes?

203 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 18, 2015 10:35:05pm

re: #202 Fineday

Chuck is a piece of shit, we know that. But are all people named Glenn just assholes?

Yes. That’s why Glenn Brin uses the name “David”. (Not because “Glenn Brin” sounds silly….)

204 BigPapa  Apr 18, 2015 10:35:16pm

You prey on young men?

Because it seems like CCJ preys on all kinds of men. Young old. Dumb and dumberer.

205 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 18, 2015 10:53:59pm

re: #199 Charles Johnson

He’s a pathetic little flop who is becoming increasingly desperate. This marks a milestone on his road to dumpster diving for food.

206 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 18, 2015 11:58:41pm

re: #205 Higgs Boson’s Mate

He’s a pathetic little flop who is becoming increasingly desperate. This marks a milestone on his road to dumpster diving for food.

Somebody needs to photoshop him with a sign: “Will stalk for Cheetos”

207 Kragar  Apr 18, 2015 11:59:24pm

re: #198 Charles Johnson

I see one problem right off the bat.

He claims a friend told him.

I doubt he ever had one.

208 Kragar  Apr 19, 2015 12:01:51am

re: #198 Charles Johnson

His bio: “Christian… Conservative…Clear thinker…Gun owner…”

In other words, a complete fucking idiot

209 goddamnedfrank  Apr 19, 2015 12:09:17am

re: #208 Kragar

His bio: “Christian… Conservative…Clear thinker…Gun owner…”

In other words, a complete fucking idiot

Conservatives really seem to like using their twitter bios to signal their place within the herd’s reproductive milieu. I’ve seen a ton of “Husband, Father, Grandfather, Wife, Mother, Grandmother” etc self descriptions. It’s always coupled with some variant of “I’m a Christian, own guns and hate liberals and bears.”

210 Kragar  Apr 19, 2015 12:17:16am

The reality: The military isn’t treating Christians like precious little snowflakes anymore. If Huck wanted to see open hostility for a someone’s religious beliefs, he should have checked out how Agnostics or atheists were treated when I was in.

Oh, right, he never served.

211 Kragar  Apr 19, 2015 12:28:04am

When I went to boot camp, we had maybe a dozen of us who were “No religious preference.

The first Sunday. it was time for Church.

“Are you going to Catholic or Protestant mass?”

“We’re non-believers.”

“Pick one.”

“Neither?”

“Clean the squad bay. Protestant Mass goes at 10:00”

Try arguing with a drill instructor when you were a 19 year old recruit and see how far your get.

The phrase Godless Heathens was used several times.

212 freetoken  Apr 19, 2015 1:59:21am

MP3 Audio

213 Nyet  Apr 19, 2015 2:57:12am

re: #209 goddamnedfrank

Conservatives really seem to like using their twitter bios to signal their place within the herd’s reproductive milieu. I’ve seen a ton of “Husband, Father, Grandfather, Wife, Mother, Grandmother” etc self descriptions. It’s always coupled with some variant of “I’m a Christian, own guns and hate liberals and bears.”

I’ve noticed it too. So you’re a husband, or a son, or a brother… wow!

…

214 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2015 2:58:02am

MINNEAPOLIS (WCCO) — A 10-year-old girl with a rare genetic disorder just wanted people to come to her birthday.

Mackenzie Moretter has Sotos Syndrome-it left her with some brain damage and makes it difficult for her to make friends. When no one responded to invitations to her birthday party, her mom reached out on Facebook and Mackenzie got much more than a party.

Music, cake and games aren’t unique for a birthday party, but this is not an ordinary party for an ordinary girl.

Mackenzie thought no one would come to her 10th birthday party.

“I have a hard time making friends at school,” she said.

But when people heard her story, they responded in a very big way. Everyone showed up to celebrate — from neighbors, to strangers, to big names. Even Elsa from Frozen made an appearance.

215 Nyet  Apr 19, 2015 3:07:49am

re: #214 Backwoods_Sleuth

Even former Minnesota Vikings wide receiver Charles Johnson came out to celebrate with Mackenzie.

This restores The Balance. IYKWIM :)

216 Nyet  Apr 19, 2015 3:12:28am

re: #208 Kragar

…nothing…says…clear…thinker…like…the…dots…

217 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 3:12:47am

I see fun was had here tonight while I slept. : )

Meanwhile, those few acres that were burning in Chino?

Chino, Calif., brush fire grows to 300 acres, now 15% contained; 800 firefighters on scene - @NBCLA
read more on nbclosangeles.com

Sorry, CA. It seems there is no longer a “fire season”.

218 Kragar  Apr 19, 2015 3:15:09am

I looked around the news. The only people talking about a military retention issue are Huck’s band of crackpots. In fact, some of the services are tightening retention, making it harder to stay in anyways.

In 2015, Army will lose nearly 20,000 soldiers in drawdown

The Army stands to lose 18,200 soldiers in the drawdown plan for 2015, through attrition and reduced accessions, but also with retention screening boards that may lead to soldiers being forced out.

Chief of Staff Gen. Ray Odierno said involuntary separation actions will be targeted at the various officer and noncommissioned officer ranks “to keep the force in balance,” and to compensate for the additional soldiers who were brought into service during the manpower buildup for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

“Now that we are reducing the Army, we have got to bring (those levels) back down, and we are going to continue to make decisions to do that,” said the chief during a September interview at his Pentagon office.

“My guess is that as we continue to draw the force down, we will have to do (selective release) boards every year through 2019,” he said.

Now, lets just say for a minute that its true, that fewer troops are choosing to renlist. Allow me to offer another theory.

After being at war since 2001, Veterans can hear the GOP pounding the war drums again and have zero interest in fighting Iran to line the pockets of the GOP’s contractor buddies.

219 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 19, 2015 3:15:32am

re: #216 Nyet

…nothing…says…clear…thinker…like…the…dots…

Hey, that’s my thing! “I can’t think of a punchline for this, so I’ll just trail off with an ellipsis and let you fill it in for me….”

220 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2015 3:17:20am
221 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 3:19:18am

re: #219 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Hey, now, I often use ellipses…

But that’s because (a) i know you already know the punchline, or (b) you’re so smart you can finish it. : P

222 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 19, 2015 3:22:08am

re: #218 Kragar

….After being at war since 2001, Veterans can hear the GOP pounding the war drums again and have zero interest in fighting Iran to line the pockets of the GOP’s contractor buddies.

As opposed to the GOP chickenhawks, real soldiers know the score. They know Iraq was absolutely made for the kind of force we can bring, as long as you define “victory” correctly, and don’t care what happens afterwards.

They also know Iran is Afghanistan with a large, well-trained, motivated, and relatively well-equipped military. I’d be bailing for goddamn sure…. (Ellipsis!)

223 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 3:24:04am

re: #222 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

As if on cue:

Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei says Iran should be prepared militarily even without overt threats - @Reuters
end of alert

More: Iran’s Ayatollah Khamenei says United States, not Iran, is the source of security threats - FARS via @Reuters
end of alert

224 Decatur Deb  Apr 19, 2015 3:25:24am

‘Morning, all.

…

225 Nyet  Apr 19, 2015 3:26:34am

re: #224 Decatur Deb

‘Morning, all.

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Morning, one.

:P

226 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 19, 2015 3:28:03am

re: #220 Backwoods_Sleuth

I was searching online for car insurance in a dream last night.

My life has officially reached an all time low.

Ha! That’s nothing! I’ve had this horrible cold for nearly two weeks, and a few days ago, between that and the Nyquil, I dreamt I was stopped at an intersection I’ve spent a lot of time stopped at (well, kind of a composite of a couple of them) and sat there and sat there for hours with the light never changing. Now that’s a boring dream!

227 Nyet  Apr 19, 2015 3:28:39am

re: #219 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Trailing off… is fine… Using it… after every second word… shows… lack of mental discipline… I guess…

228 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 3:29:29am

re: #224 Decatur Deb

‘Morning, all.

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Video

Morning! That was a beautiful brain cleanser for a Sunday morning. : )

229 Decatur Deb  Apr 19, 2015 3:30:46am

re: #228 Justanotherhuman

Morning! That was a beautiful brain cleanser for a Sunday morning. : )

Seems someone just posted a complete high-quality collection to YT.

230 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 3:34:01am

re: #222 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Again, right on cue:

Afghanistan’s President Ghani arrives in Tehran on his first trip to Iran since taking office - @AFP
read more on ahram.org.eg

231 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 19, 2015 3:34:30am

re: #222 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

They also know Iran is Afghanistan with a large, well-trained, motivated, and relatively well-equipped military. I’d be bailing for goddamn sure…. (Ellipsis!)

Plus it sounds like they want them to trudge through radioactive dust to boot, so: “No way, José!”

232 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 3:40:28am

Most victims of last year’s ferry disaster were young students on a class trip.

South Korea police clash with protesters over ferry disaster

reuters.com

(Reuters) - South Korean police clashed with thousands of protesters, blocking their way to the presidential palace, where they hoped to demand a more vigorous government response to a ferry disaster that claimed more than 300 lives a year ago.

“About 13,000 police and 470 police buses were deployed in the area around Seoul’s main ceremonial thoroughfare and 100 protesters were arrested, an official of the Seoul Metropolitan Police Agency said.

“Saturday’s rally, organised by a group representing families of the victims, was the largest in recent weeks as the country marked the first anniversary of the April 16 disaster.” More

233 Decatur Deb  Apr 19, 2015 3:47:35am

Cautionary tale.

…

234 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 4:05:23am

Oh damn, not again.

New Islamic State video purportedly shows killing of captured Ethiopian Christians in Libya - @AP
end of alert

Does ISIL thinks this kind of religious genocide is going to win friends and influence people? If so, this is going to be a long fight against a new kind of fascism the world has yet to experience. I don’t mean the usual “Islamofascist” crap from the right wing, either. This is something different, something which can pull in people from western countries eager to experience and contribute to a “cause” which allows them to achieve something which fills an empty existence without thinking about it, even if it means slaughtering innocents.

I wish I could express this more clearly. Being an atheist, I have no religious dog in this fight, just the preservation of lives against the insanity we are currently witnessing, this zealotry gone mad, which I think is more about power than religion in the long run.

235 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2015 4:19:55am
236 Nyet  Apr 19, 2015 4:24:33am

Jizz. Hmm.

237 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 4:28:52am

Thus, we get appeals like this, involving a young couple with 4 children, with very worried family members left behind:

Amended - Police appeal for missing family who might be travelling to Syria

thamesvalley.police.uk

ISIL appears to be an “alternative” for those who no longer wish to work within the system, who simply give up and offer the ultimate sacrifice. This seems to be a core element of the insanity—self-preservation, for oneself, one’s mate, even for one’s children, be damned.

238 Nyet  Apr 19, 2015 4:35:19am

re: #237 Justanotherhuman

If someone is like, “I don’t like the system so I’ll travel far away to burn people alive and cut off heads”, I’d say the problem is not with the system [whatever the fuck that is at all] but with the person.

239 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 4:35:32am

re: #235 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sadly, this isn’t going away. Too many fleeing the conflicts in N Africa, too many overloaded boats. It’s truly sad, although groups are trying their best to rescue as many as possible.

Doctors Without Borders is launching a new rescue effort in the Mediterranean, also.

doctorswithoutborders.org

240 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2015 4:42:21am
241 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 4:48:16am

re: #238 Nyet

If someone is like, “I don’t like the system so I’ll travel far away to burn people alive and cut off heads”, I’d say the problem is not with the system [whatever the fuck that is at all] but with the person.

We don’t always get what we want and have perfect lives—that hasn’t happened for the majority of people in history. Most of us come to this conclusion as we mature and do the best with what we have even while we try to make things better, not just for ourselves but for others. We can certainly keep our own identities while we work within the system we live. We see that happening even today, in the US, as racism once again becomes a huge element in this society, along with women’s rights, LGBT rights, etc, both in every day life and in the upcoming election.

I’m not saying we have a perfect “system” that should be transferable to other countries whole, but what’s being offered in the ME and North Africa isn’t democracy from any side at this point. There is no “democracy” in war zones.

242 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2015 4:56:05am

sigh:

243 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 5:05:26am

re: #242 Backwoods_Sleuth

sigh:

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More “might is right” bullshit from the gunfuckers, no doubt.

244 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 19, 2015 5:12:23am

re: #243 Justanotherhuman

More “might is right” bullshit from the gunfuckers, no doubt.

Less gun nuts and more anti-union political nuts. There can be significant overlap down there but it’s much more about the latter and “creeping Sharia unions” than anything.

245 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 5:14:26am

I do not want a college dropout president who spouts inanities from the RW and glories in his destruction of Wisconsin’s history of progressive thought.

I want someone more educated, more intelligent, more attuned to the interests of all of us everyday people, not the wealthy, who are sucking our life’s blood from us. Someone whose qualities exceed my own.

I want 4 more years, but as an alternative, I’ll take Hillary Clinton. : )

246 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 5:16:52am

re: #244 William Barnett-Lewis

Less gun nuts and more anti-union political nuts. There can be significant overlap down there but it’s much more about the latter and “creeping Sharia unions” than anything.

I’m familiar with it, having worked with unions in the early ’70s, at which time the IAM was one of the best around (a few even joined us on the bus to a peace march).

And NC is the least unionized state in the country, so there’s that. Anti-union sentiment is deep, but at least I never ran into a gun back then.

247 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2015 5:19:12am

Giant Puppet Heads!

248 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 19, 2015 5:22:32am

Check out Buzzfeed in bed with the Kochs:
buzzfeed.com

249 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 19, 2015 5:23:35am

re: #246 Justanotherhuman

I’m familiar with it, having worked with unions in the early ’70s, at which time the IAM was one of the best around (a few even joined us on the bus to a peace march).

And NC is the least unionized state in the country, so there’s that. Anti-union sentiment is deep, but at least I never ran into a gun back then.

It still amazes me that NC is the lowest. I’d have guessed Mississippi, maybe Florida.

250 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 5:35:24am

re: #248 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Who reads Buzzfeed anymore?

251 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 5:41:13am

Haha, even in Israel. Looks like a nice operation which will sadly be destroyed.

Anyone know what Israel’s position on pot currently is?

252 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 19, 2015 5:42:42am

re: #246 Justanotherhuman

I’m familiar with it, having worked with unions in the early ’70s, at which time the IAM was one of the best around (a few even joined us on the bus to a peace march).

And NC is the least unionized state in the country, so there’s that. Anti-union sentiment is deep, but at least I never ran into a gun back then.

My FiL did fairly often as an organizer for the United Brotherhood of Carpenters. He was a very good man.

253 Dave In Austin  Apr 19, 2015 5:42:45am

re: #251 Justanotherhuman

Morning all…

I bet it smells lovely in there…..

254 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2015 5:46:34am

re: #253 Dave In Austin

Morning all…

I bet it smells lovely in there…..

Smells like skunks…

255 Nyet  Apr 19, 2015 5:52:57am

re: #251 Justanotherhuman

From what I read it’s illegal. Interestingly some hardline wingnuts with a “libertarian” streak actually support legalization.

257 Nyet  Apr 19, 2015 5:57:59am

re: #247 Backwoods_Sleuth

I wanna see “Cats react to…” video :)

258 Dave In Austin  Apr 19, 2015 6:06:46am

OWLZ!!!

259 Nyet  Apr 19, 2015 6:08:25am

re: #258 Dave In Austin

Is it sleeping?

260 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 19, 2015 6:10:10am

re: #209 goddamnedfrank

Conservatives really seem to like using their twitter bios to signal their place within the herd’s reproductive milieu. I’ve seen a ton of “Husband, Father, Grandfather, Wife, Mother, Grandmother” etc self descriptions. It’s always coupled with some variant of “I’m a Christian, own guns and hate liberals and bears.”

My Twitter bio says:

Auto Industry professional #Obama, #GM, #Ford, #UAW, #Israel, #UniteBlue, #LGBT, PIE! Vicious to Kochbots

261 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 19, 2015 6:10:49am

re: #256 Nyet

:D

Religious leaders aim high to make kosher marijuana available

CAN’T WAIT!!! GIMME TEH KOSHER WEED EDIBLES!!!!!!!

262 Dave In Austin  Apr 19, 2015 6:11:16am

On a clutch….
chrisowlcam.net

263 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 19, 2015 6:11:28am

They should make the edibles KOSHER and HALAL.

Then we would have peace in the Middle East at last :)

264 Nyet  Apr 19, 2015 6:11:58am

re: #260 Lord Of The Pies

BTW, when someone lists “mother” and “grandmother”, it doesn’t annoy me (unlike “father”, etc. - yeah, great accomplishment there, dude).

And a grandmother of ~40 is certainly an accomplishment :D

265 Nyet  Apr 19, 2015 6:12:30am

re: #263 Lord Of The Pies

Yesss!

266 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 19, 2015 6:15:34am

re: #264 Nyet

BTW, when someone lists “mother” and “grandmother”, it doesn’t annoy me (unlike “father”, etc. - yeah, great accomplishment there, dude).

And a grandmother of ~40 is certainly an accomplishment :D

I used to have “Mom of 9, Grandmom of 38” in my Twitter bio but then I got shit for being pro-choice.

267 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 19, 2015 6:17:48am

I’m going swimming now. The JCC won’t be open much longer, the Jewish Federation is closing down the facility in the working-class Jewish neighborhood so they can focus all their attention on the country club facility they have in the rich folks neighborhood.

268 SteelPH  Apr 19, 2015 6:22:51am

re: #260 Lord Of The Pies

Mine says:

I draw, play video games, and yell a lot for the internet. Truly an idyllic life.

269 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 6:28:09am

Raining here again, in the low 60s. Rain tomorrow in the 70s.

Can’t wait for the bush hogs to come in for all the overgrowth. {sigh}

We’re definitely going to have to find some place to move at this rate, and I dread it. We’re probably in for a rent hike anyway, and if they think we’re going to mow, we’d rather have another place, like a house, where we wouldn’t mind doing it for our own benefit, not for a fucking mgmt co that is supposed to do it as one of their responsibilities.

270 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 6:29:28am

re: #268 SteelPH

Love you for that. : )

271 BigPapa  Apr 19, 2015 6:31:02am
Wrangler of Stuffs, Pragmatic Prognosticator, Professor of Paella

I forgot to put in something about liberty.

272 Nyet  Apr 19, 2015 6:33:34am

I have a B.S. in pineapple pizza.

273 darthstar  Apr 19, 2015 6:34:47am

re: #268 SteelPH

Mine says:

Mine’s: Political junkie. Sometimes a little sarcastic. Believe in decriminalizing the word ‘fuck.’

274 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 6:34:57am

This is just awful, awful.

RALEIGH MAN CHARGED WITH KILLING PREGNANT GIRLFRIEND [not my shouting]

abc11.com

Either they were in a car, or at a shopping center in that block. Truly tragic for this woman. The fetus survived, at least at this time, but will have lost both parents.

275 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 6:38:27am
276 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 6:38:35am

How is it now?

277 Stephen T.  Apr 19, 2015 6:41:05am

re: #264 Nyet

BTW, when someone lists “mother” and “grandmother”, it doesn’t annoy me (unlike “father”, etc. - yeah, great accomplishment there, dude).

And a grandmother of ~40 is certainly an accomplishment :D

Fathering children isn’t much of an accomplishment, but sticking around to be a father is.

278 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 6:42:19am

re: #274 Justanotherhuman

This is just awful, awful.

RALEIGH MAN CHARGED WITH KILLING PREGNANT GIRLFRIEND [not my shouting]

abc11.com

Either they were in a car, or at a shopping center in that block. Truly tragic for this woman. The fetus survived, at least at this time, but will have lost both parents.

Although rare, it is not unheard of. Something about the man not feeling up to the responsibility of having a family -power/control.

I don’t get it. It shouldn’t happen in a 1st world society, without most taboos and with social services, but it does.

so sad.

279 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 6:43:08am

re: #260 Lord Of The Pies

My Twitter bio says:

Mine says something about repro rights and then I warn people that I am sarcastic.

280 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 6:43:28am

re: #261 Lord Of The Pies

CAN’T WAIT!!! GIMME TEH KOSHER WEED EDIBLES!!!!!!!

OMG!!!!

think of the pies you could make …

281 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 6:46:09am

re: #278 FemNaziBitch

Although rare, it is not unheard of. Something about the man not feeling up to the responsibility of having a family -power/control.

I don’t get it. It shouldn’t happen in a 1st world society, without most taboos and with social services, but it does.

so sad.

It’s the ultimate act of misogyny.

Men need to grow the fuck up, everywhere. Of course, here in the US, the “party of responsibility” can shed crocodile tears over something like this, but their agenda only shows their hypocrisy and misogyny.

282 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 6:46:16am

...

283 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 6:47:36am

?????

284 Nyet  Apr 19, 2015 6:47:52am

!

285 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 6:47:59am

Mediterranean migrants: Hundreds feared dead after boat capsizes
bbc.com”

286 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 6:48:08am

re: #284 Nyet

!

*&^%

287 Nyet  Apr 19, 2015 6:48:42am

re: #286 FemNaziBitch

*&^%

Per aspera ad astra!

288 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 6:50:09am

re: #3 BigPapa

The Periodic Table of Irrational Nonsense

retweeted and printed for future reference

289 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 6:50:50am

re: #287 Nyet

Per aspera ad astra!

second star on the right and straight on ‘til morning!

290 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 6:51:15am

I hope Bill Clinton and others speaking call this the way it was—domestic terrorism from the rightwing.

291 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 6:51:34am
292 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 6:52:22am
293 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 6:52:56am
294 Nyet  Apr 19, 2015 6:53:55am

re: #292 FemNaziBitch

One way certain religious views can doom us all.

295 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 6:54:41am

Audrey Beardsley: The Silencing of the Educators, A Dangerous Trend

Audrey Beardsley, a professor at Arizona State University, recently visited parents, educators, students, and state leaders in New Mexico. There she learned that the state had adopted gag orders for teachers, forbidding them from discussing or expressing an opinion about the state tests (PARCC).

Eduation and forbidden topics — just wrong.

296 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 6:55:08am

re: #293 FemNaziBitch

Robert Jeffress, RW religious freak.

ptv.org

297 Nyet  Apr 19, 2015 6:55:19am

re: #293 FemNaziBitch

The answer to that is simple: if there is a purely secular, non-moral reason they can’t get married, they can’t get married. If there isn’t, fuck off: they should be able to get married.

298 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 6:55:29am

Feline Overlord is bugging the shit out of me.

(not literally)

299 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 6:56:36am

re: #296 Justanotherhuman

Robert Jeffress, RW religious freak.

ptv.org

Something about having “jeff” in the name.

The Mormon offshoot cult pedofile was Jeffries —IIRC.

300 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 6:57:42am

re: #299 FemNaziBitch

Sort of like murderers having the middle name “Wayne”?

301 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 6:58:13am

re: #290 Justanotherhuman

I hope Bill Clinton and others speaking call this the way it was—domestic terrorism from the rightwing.

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While Fox was on in the background (hubby -sigh) I heard some pundit say that poll results indicated that Americans felt that Terrorism was the #1 issue facing the nation.

They didn’t specify Domestic or Foreign - conveniently.

302 Nyet  Apr 19, 2015 6:58:14am

re: #300 Justanotherhuman

Sort of like murderers having the middle name “Wayne”?

No way!

303 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 7:01:21am

re: #302 Nyet

No way!

Way.

newsoftheweird.com

304 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 7:01:36am

A friend with whom I share book recommendations said this was for me. He said it was just right up my alley—as it was way weird. Then he shook his head.

I enjoyed it, but I hate to tell him it wasn’t all that weird. A novel angle on a standard Zombie story —with a sci-fi bent instead of a horror.

I liked it. But on a 1-5 scale of weirdness, it barely rated.

Made me wonder about the average person’s tolerance for weird.

305 Nyet  Apr 19, 2015 7:02:41am

re: #303 Justanotherhuman

Thanks, learned something interesting again.

306 BigPapa  Apr 19, 2015 7:04:08am

re: #301 FemNaziBitch

While Fox was on in the background (hubby -sigh) I heard some pundit say that poll results indicated that Americans felt that Terrorism was the #1 issue facing the nation.

They didn’t specify Domestic or Foreign - conveniently.

On the anniversary of OK City bombing, no less. From the main network that foments anti gov derision and mistrust.

307 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 7:04:45am

re: #303 Justanotherhuman

Way.

newsoftheweird.com

There is a Weird Map!

308 BigPapa  Apr 19, 2015 7:06:38am

Wayne Middle Name Theory is a thing. Cool.

309 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 7:09:18am

re: #304 FemNaziBitch

A friend with whom I share book recommendations said this was for me. He said it was just right up my alley—as it was way weird. Then he shook his head.

I enjoyed it, but I hate to tell him it wasn’t all that weird. A novel angle on a standard Zombie story —with a sci-fi bent instead of a horror.

I liked it. But on a 1-5 scale of weirdness, it barely rated.

Made me wonder about the average person’s tolerance for weird.

The reviews make it sound as though “The Road” was light reading. And it was anything but.

310 ObserverArt  Apr 19, 2015 7:10:26am

Morning all. I am getting ready to go to a friend’s place to watch the Grand Prix of Bahrain. Unfortunately I will not be watching Meet The Press this morning to see if the speculation that Ohio governor John Kasich will be using the show to announce he is getting aboard the GOP 2016 clown car.

Two local NBC news shows are pushing the central Ohio crowd hard to tune in. I don’t know if that is to help Kasich or MTP ratings.

If anyone watches, please post up some comments. LGF hasn’t had much comment on Kasich, and if he gets in the clown car, I expect the members to let it rip.

I hope people in the media ride Kasich hard. He doesn’t like criticism and hopefully someone will say something nationally that gets him heated up and the asshole in him comes flying out.

I guess I’ll have to try to catch a repeat late tonight.

Heh…one of the local GOP talking heads just said “There is no clear front runner. John Kasich could become that front runner.” Yuck.

Oh look, Rob “I think I am a senator” Portman is talking now. God that man is so boring. You almost fall asleep as he tries to form words to actually say something.

Later. This comment is from Battleground Ohio.

311 darthstar  Apr 19, 2015 7:12:45am

What the fuck?

312 darthstar  Apr 19, 2015 7:16:26am

re: #311 darthstar

What the fuck?

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Okay…two separate incidents…one a shooting in a fight and the other an apparent drive-by.

Just your normal every day Greatest Nation gun violence. Not some whacko to worry about.

313 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 7:19:07am

re: #305 Nyet

But wait! There’s more!

For instance, this one:

Wooden Head

Archeologists on a dig in Gdansk, Poland found something interesting in a 18th century toilet. A 300 year old dildo. It is constructed from leather with a wooden head. At 8 inches it seems to indicate high expectations.
Posted By: patty | Date: Thu Apr 16, 2015 | Comments (4)

weirduniverse.net

314 BigPapa  Apr 19, 2015 7:19:35am

re: #312 darthstar

Okay…two separate incidents…one a shooting in a fight and the other an apparent drive-by.

Just your normal every day Greatest Nation gun violence. Not some whacko to worry about.

If there would be more people with guns it would be cool. Because freedom.

315 Nyet  Apr 19, 2015 7:23:11am

re: #313 Justanotherhuman

Oh… kay. //

316 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 7:24:03am

re: #313 Justanotherhuman

Here’s a photo of the “object”.

So, it was found at the site of a possible fencing school?

upi.com

317 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 7:26:07am

re: #316 Justanotherhuman

Here’s a photo of the “object”.

So, it was found at the site of a possible fencing school?

upi.com

If so, someone must have really been into pain.

318 darthstar  Apr 19, 2015 7:27:01am

I’m following Chuckles grift efforts on gofundme. He got another $5 donation last night. He’s up to 21 donations now. A number of them are anonymous so I suspect they’re donations he’s making with his mom’s credit card to make it look like he has a following.

But hey, he’s already at 1.5% of his goal. He just needs another 2,000 donations or so and he’ll get there.

319 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 7:27:21am

GOT . MORE . COFFEE

320 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 7:28:25am

re: #316 Justanotherhuman

Here’s a photo of the “object”.

So, it was found at the site of a possible fencing school?

upi.com

“The faux phallus was taken away for “maintenance,” the office said.”

321 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 7:30:11am

re: #314 BigPapa

If there would be more people with guns it would be cool. Because freedom.

Okay…two separate incidents…one a shooting in a fight and the other an apparent drive-by.

neither of which meets the requirement for “self-defense from imminent danger” —IMHO

There is a real reason for the 2nd Amendment argument for firearm ownership —that being self-defense—yet when humans are involved … .

322 darthstar  Apr 19, 2015 7:31:15am
323 darthstar  Apr 19, 2015 7:32:39am

re: #316 Justanotherhuman

Here’s a photo of the “object”.

So, it was found at the site of a possible fencing school?

upi.com

It looks like shit. But it was found in a toilet so I suppose that’s to be expected.

324 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 7:38:13am

I AM SO HAPPY that we can finally have the windows open, air out the house and enjoy the pleasant temperatures —-BUT ——even after taking a handful of allergy meds, using nasal sprays and the neti pot, I wake up a hoarse and feel the stuffyness all day long.

1st world problems

oy

325 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 19, 2015 7:38:13am

John Bolton and music in the same sentence? I can’t even (shudder)

326 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 7:39:01am

just a little horse

can I have one-or two.

327 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 7:40:39am

another little horse

328 darthstar  Apr 19, 2015 7:41:40am

re: #325 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

John Bolton and music in the same sentence? I can’t even (shudder)

I confuse him with the other Bolton too.

329 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 7:48:14am

Oh, Bernie.

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders ‘making sure’ of enough money to challenge Hillary Clinton - @politico
read more on politico.com

It’s not going to happen.

330 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 19, 2015 7:50:09am

So there’s this:
April 19 Has Become Everyone-is-a-Threat Day

It’s a bug. In a jar. A chemically contaminated bug that was a prop in a military exercise held last month in Georgia. Engineers and security police at Moody air force base played out a scenario where “sovereign citizens” used weapons of mass destruction—in the form of contaminated bugs—to attack the base, a trifecta of trickery that melds terrorism, Armageddon and sedition all into one convenient domestic soup. That bug is the greatest threat to American freedom. Not because of Iran or North Korea or al Qaeda but because of a lazy and thoughtless convergence—that’s the hot word in military circles these days—that can define anyone who does anything as a homegrown terrorist threat. And it’s all about April 19.

331 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 7:51:37am

Well, at least the OK City Mayor “sort of” acknowledged who did it. Left out right wing, though, since he’s a Republican. If it had been from the left, however, wonder what would have been said?

Oklahoma City mayor: ‘We’ve lived our finest hour for 20 years’ on community recovering from worst domestic terror attack - @KellyO
see original on twitter.com

332 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 7:53:50am
333 Belafon  Apr 19, 2015 7:56:00am

re: #329 Justanotherhuman

Oh, Bernie.

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders ‘making sure’ of enough money to challenge Hillary Clinton - @politico
read more on politico.com

It’s not going to happen.

Maybe he could ask Chuck C for pointers on fundraising.

//

Seriously, though, he has a model if he really wants to try: A 2008 candidate running against Clinton faced the same odds. I would argue if you aren’t trying to set up Obama’s network, you aren’t serious.

334 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 7:56:32am
335 Belafon  Apr 19, 2015 7:58:39am

re: #328 darthstar

I confuse him with the other Bolton too.

The other Bolton, who went by the last name Boloton, was one of the drummers, in David Lynch’s Dune, playing at the fight scene between Agent Cooper and Sting.

336 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 7:58:48am

re: #333 Belafon

I agree. A lesson the Rs will never learn since they’re all going after all the same demographic in essence.

I think Hillary Clinton has a handle on it, though.

337 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 19, 2015 8:01:48am

I actually got to tour the OKC memorial right before it opened. It’s amazing to see how 20 years has changed it.

Those trees were just sapplings at the time.

338 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 8:02:33am

re: #335 Belafon

The other Bolton, who went by the last name Boloton, was one of the drummers, in David Lynch’s Dune, playing at the fight scene between Agent Cooper and Sting.

Yes, actually born Michael Bolotin. All of his grandparents were Russian Jewish immigrants.

339 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 19, 2015 8:03:21am

re: #335 Belafon

The other Bolton, who went by the last name Boloton, was one of the drummers, in David Lynch’s Dune, playing at the fight scene between Agent Cooper and Sting.

The less said about that movie the better. ;)

340 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 8:05:38am

re: #335 Belafon

Also, Bolton says the extra part in Dune wasn’t him.

blogs.abc.net.au

341 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 8:10:02am

You go, Neil. Tell it.

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Politicians Denying Science Is ‘Beginning Of The End Of An Informed Democracy’

thinkprogress.org

342 Nyet  Apr 19, 2015 8:11:02am

re: #320 FemNaziBitch

“The faux phallus was taken away for “maintenance,” the office said.”

Yes, we know what they “mean”.

PS: the joy of the “false” scare-quotes…

343 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2015 8:13:11am

re: #12 ObserverArt

Yeah!

And where are the patrol boats with Ricky Perry on ‘em??? Oh wait, he is too busy kissing butt in New Hampshire pretending he has a chance in hell of getting the GOP nomination.

I guess the ol’ southern border isn’t a problem until the next mention of immigration hits the GOP parroting points.

The patrol boats are limited to lakes and those parts of the Rio Grande with enough water to float them. They draw around 3-4 feet so they can’t operate in some parts of the river for much of the year.

Here’s some more about what’s going on down on the border. Good stuff, including how US drones are used to provide ISR support for the Mexican army.

344 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 8:14:21am

MUST WATCH

necessary information, humor and shameless Pages promotion.

345 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 19, 2015 8:14:36am

I can’t imagine how horrible this must be:
24 Dead, Hundreds Missing After Migrant Boat Sinks in Mediterranean

346 darthstar  Apr 19, 2015 8:14:41am
347 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 8:15:06am

re: #341 Justanotherhuman

“How does the media fit into this? What responsibility do we have?

“There’s this journalistic ethos saying if I get one opinion then I need to get another opinion that countervails that. So if I say the world is round, are you obligated to say the world is flat, lest someone think you are being biased in your reporting? Well, that’s absurd. You wouldn’t do that, you’re educated. You know that there are certain points of view that have no foundation at all in objective truth.

“So the question arises then at what point should a journalist give equal time to equal points of view that are opposite or in denial of emergent scientific truths. If you allocated column inches in proportion to the scientific consensus of experiments, there would be one sentence talking about people who deny climate change and the rest of the ten columns talking about research that supports it. But that’s not what we see in the public.

“I think journalists are abandoning what would be their sensibility of following the emergent truths and in some cases painting a debate as though there’s a scientific debate when in fact there isn’t one — and that makes for headlines and more clicks.”

Well said. Something those using the internet needs to learn.

348 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 8:16:28am

re: #341 Justanotherhuman

You go, Neil. Tell it.

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Politicians Denying Science Is ‘Beginning Of The End Of An Informed Democracy’

thinkprogress.org

de Toucqueville commented on how literate Americans were. Every house, cabin and hovel he visited at books —at the very least one —The Bible—and the inhabitants read.

349 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 19, 2015 8:16:53am

re: #344 FemNaziBitch
“there are no roles for white people anymore …” WUT?

350 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 8:17:33am

re: #349 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

“there are no roles for white people anymore …” WUT?

FOX NEWS DRONE MENTALITY

351 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 8:18:10am

re: #350 FemNaziBitch

FOX NEWS DRONE MENTALITY

It’s the extreme paranoid’s belief in the Slippery Slope outcome.

“give ‘em an inch . . .”

352 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 19, 2015 8:20:30am

re: #350 FemNaziBitch

It’s just so jaw-droppingly idiotic. Has she even seen a recent blockbuster?

353 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2015 8:20:50am

re: #329 Justanotherhuman

Oh, Bernie.

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders ‘making sure’ of enough money to challenge Hillary Clinton - @politico
read more on politico.com

It’s not going to happen.

No, but I can see three positive potential outcomes of a Sanders run, although the last two are only positive to Republicans (such as I):

1. Sanders plus O’Malley is probably enough to force Hillary Clinton to agree to at least a handful of debates. Primaries are better with voters getting to see all the candidates at one time and thus learning about their voting options.

2. Sanders the Socialist might force Clinton to the left on an issue or two, thus giving the eventual Republican nominee an opening on those issues to occupy the center and leave Clinton looking more liberal in the general election.

3. A possibly humiliating defeat for Bernie Sanders is always a good thing in my book.

354 Belafon  Apr 19, 2015 8:21:01am

re: #340 Justanotherhuman

The last time I watched it - it’s one of those movies I show my kids so they in part get cultural references (Spongebob makes a reference to it) - I saw the drummer and swore I saw Michael Bolotin in the credits, but I cannot find a copy, and I could have been mixing memories.

355 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 8:21:45am

I REALLY want these.

But, will I wear them more than one season?

356 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2015 8:27:31am

re: #355 FemNaziBitch

I REALLY want these.

But, will I wear them more than one season?

The link didn’t work.

357 Iwouldprefernotto  Apr 19, 2015 8:28:34am

re: #356 Dark_Falcon

The link didn’t work.

Maybe he just wants a broken link. Who are we to judge?

358 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 8:30:11am

re: #354 Belafon

The last time I watched it - it’s one of those movies I show my kids so they in part get cultural references (Spongebob makes a reference to it) - I saw the drummer and swore I saw Michael Bolotin in the credits, but I cannot find a copy, and I could have been mixing memories.

No, the rumor has been around for years.

Here’s a photo, in which the hair is similar, but I don’t think it’s him.

Image: Bolton-766015.jpg

359 darthstar  Apr 19, 2015 8:31:14am

re: #356 Dark_Falcon

The link didn’t work.

delete the smile. before www and it works fine.

360 darthstar  Apr 19, 2015 8:36:41am
361 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 8:40:30am

re: #356 Dark_Falcon

The link didn’t work.

fixed?

362 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2015 8:40:38am

re: #355 FemNaziBitch

I REALLY want these.

But, will I wear them more than one season?

[DF shakes his head slowly while smiling fondly]

363 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 8:44:31am

re: #358 Justanotherhuman

No, the rumor has been around for years.

Here’s a photo, in which the hair is similar, but I don’t think it’s him.

Image: Bolton-766015.jpg

bolotin sounds like a neutraceutical (fancy name for chemical or vitamin that is has a fandom)

364 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 8:47:24am

Fox News Drone Horrors:

365 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 8:48:58am

VOCABULARY WORD OF THE DAY:

Negropean

African American that knowingly or unknowingly perpetuates the agenda of elitism colonialism puritanism or other race / bias platforms

Man do you know what this Negropean just told me?

“If Emmit Till had not dressed like a thug he would not have been killed” Mane FOH

366 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 8:49:14am

re: #361 FemNaziBitch

Love those! I could wear ‘em from April until Oct down here. : )

I’m crazy for floral as I’m wearing floral cotton tights (pink roses) with a pink tshirt right now.

And I used to hate pink, or any pastels. Must be getting mellow in my old age.

368 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 8:51:06am

re: #366 Justanotherhuman

Love those! I could wear ‘em from April until Oct down here. : )

I’m crazy for floral as I’m wearing floral cotton tights (pink roses) with a pink tshirt right now.

And I used to hate pink, or any pastels. Must be getting mellow in my old age.

AREN’T THE KEWL!!!!!

I’m just afraid that my vain/snooty side won’t want to wear them next year —as they will be “so last season”.

I kinda know myself.

369 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 8:52:04am
370 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 19, 2015 8:55:50am

re: #355 FemNaziBitch

I REALLY want these.

But, will I wear them more than one season?

So? Wear them that one and enjoy the heck out of them.

371 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 8:56:00am

re: #368 FemNaziBitch

Haha, I’m no fashionista. In fact, I think these pants are vintage ’80s. : )

But I do dress somewhat differently from those around here in my age group.

372 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 19, 2015 8:56:54am

re: #364 FemNaziBitch

Fox News Drone Horrors:

Embedded Image

I’m far more afraid of a world where there are adults who think Fox News is true or news.

373 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 8:58:05am

What can possibly go wrong? cont.

Crowd gathering at gun range to hear Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas - @daveweigel
see original on twitter.com

Wait, have to show you the “crowd”:

374 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2015 9:00:30am

re: #365 FemNaziBitch

VOCABULARY WORD OF THE DAY:

“elitism colonialism puritanism”? Those three words don’t equate very well, and what many people see as “puritanism” (but is more properly simply called “religious moralism”) is hardly a “European” (which in this context means ‘Western’) trait. I also don’t like the word because it assigns a overall negative connotation to ‘Europe’, and seems to say that black people have to maintain a distance from things that are ‘European’.

To be honest, I regard “Negropean” to be synonymous with the slang usage of ‘Oreo’ in its practical meaning.

375 darthstar  Apr 19, 2015 9:00:35am
377 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 9:02:28am

re: #374 Dark_Falcon

“elitism colonialism puritanism”? Those three words don’t equate very well, and what many people see as “puritanism” (but is more properly simply called “religious moralism”) is hardly a “European” (which in this context means ‘Western’) trait. I also don’t like the word because it assigns a overall negative connotation to ‘Europe’, and seems to say that black people have to maintain a distance from things that are ‘European’.

To be honest, I regard “Negropean” to be synonymous with the slang usage of ‘Oreo’ in its practical meaning.

Uncle Tom

378 lawhawk  Apr 19, 2015 9:02:34am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Got back from a minor driving trip through history. About 1400 miles driving total, and a comparable number of photos. It was much needed to be sure, as the ongoing family medical issues reasserted themselves yesterday so another weekend evening was spent in a regional ER.

Having visited the residences of Jefferson, Madison, and Monroe, I can’t help but take Lafayette’s position and rage against the fact that they all talked about equal rights and freedom for man, all while each held slaves and refused to address the issue substantively. It’s the paradox that we still live with to this day. It was also interesting to hear about how each of these founders may have been brilliant politically and philosophically, but their financial acumen was less than one would expect. Each was left with significant debts on their deaths, and one of the reasons that their homes don’t have the possessions they could was that much was sold off to pay off the debts they racked up.

Curiously, one of the big reasons for the debts, was that land prices fell into a depression during this time - a consequence of the Louisiana purchase more than doubling the size of the nation, reducing the value of land throughout the original territory of the US due to a glut of land.

379 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 9:03:23am

re: #376 FemNaziBitch

Report confirms that police killed Natasha McKenna with her hands cuffed and legs shackled

That’s one of the worse incidents I’ve seen so far, even though all are horrible instances of police gone wild with power.

380 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2015 9:04:07am

re: #373 Justanotherhuman

What can possibly go wrong? cont.

Crowd gathering at gun range to hear Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas - @daveweigel
see original on twitter.com

Wait, have to show you the “crowd”:

[Embedded content]

I’m surprised to see a guy with what looks like an Philadelphia Eagles jersey. I thought wearing the jersey of a major east coast city’s team at a Texas Republican event got you thrown out as a RINO.

/kidding

381 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 19, 2015 9:04:13am

So, far worse for my wallet than shoes, I’m GASing really hard for a new guitar out of my tax refund. Either this:

or this:

to complement the Telecaster… Sigh. If I were smart, I’d probably pay a couple of months rent, but who ever claimed I was smart? LOL

382 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 9:05:17am
383 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 9:06:34am

re: #378 lawhawk

Wonderful photos! Thank you. : )

384 lawhawk  Apr 19, 2015 9:07:04am

re: #379 Justanotherhuman

Saw a report this morning of a rookie cop (whose family bought him a body cam) managed to avoid shooting and killing a man who was being sought on murder charges and had rushed towards this cop while calling for the cop to kill him. This cop showed tremendous restraint, and the lesson other cops should learn from it is that firearms should be used only as a last resort - not the first thing they think of in a situation.

The epidemic of officer-involved shootings will come to an end when cops are trained that firearms are not the first line of defense; they are a last resort when all else has been exhausted.

385 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 9:08:44am
386 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 19, 2015 9:09:16am

re: #382 FemNaziBitch

And probably still fairly “Hot” radioactively as she took a lot from being a nuclear target twice during Operation Crossroads.

A good reminder of how utterly stupid we were about how we, as a nation, conducted those early above ground nuclear tests.

387 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 9:09:17am

re: #381 William Barnett-Lewis

Treat yourself. That’s an order, haha. : )

388 PhillyPretzel  Apr 19, 2015 9:10:24am

re: #385 FemNaziBitch

Oy Vey. ::: eye roll ::: Now Walmart is prescribing meds.

389 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2015 9:10:29am

re: #382 FemNaziBitch

[Embedded content]

It’s fitting she was found soon after the Japanese battleship Musashi was found, for Independence was one of the carriers whose planes sank that super-battleship.

390 Great White Snark  Apr 19, 2015 9:11:16am

re: #370 William Barnett-Lewis

Hey Will
Catch that whole new album yet ? Loved “Dear daughter”

391 FemNaziBitch  Apr 19, 2015 9:12:13am

nap time

windows open —feel like Dorothy in the Poppy Field.

392 CuriousLurker  Apr 19, 2015 9:16:10am

re: #378 lawhawk

Great photos, but I’m curious to know which lenses you used. Did you use a neutral density filter for the one of the waterfall? I’m guessing you probably did, but interested to know for sure.

393 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2015 9:18:19am

re: #381 William Barnett-Lewis

So, far worse for my wallet than shoes, I’m GASing really hard for a new guitar out of my tax refund. Either this:

[Embedded content]

to complement the Telecaster… Sigh. If I were smart, I’d probably pay a couple of months rent, but who ever claimed I was smart? LOL

Sure you wouldn’t rather put in a bid on this baby?

Click to Reveal

Superlative condition with a National Match-marked barrel.

394 Great White Snark  Apr 19, 2015 9:22:30am

re: #392 CuriousLurker

It always bugs me that canon at least skipped the low sensitivity settings that we had with slow film. ND filter? pffft. ISO 25.

395 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 19, 2015 9:23:16am

re: #390 Great White Snark

Hey Will
Catch that whole new album yet ? Loved “Dear daughter”

Great track. I also like “I like it heavy” too (“Since I was 13 years old
I’ve had my horns to the sky”). Still think “Amen” is my favorite on the album though. Definitely a change of pace for them but a strong gig nonetheless.

396 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 19, 2015 9:25:59am

re: #393 Dark_Falcon

Nice but I just put a Stevens 311 SxS double 12 gauge on layaway for this coming fall’s bird seasons. Besides, the RIA house is too rich for my blood - i love looking at the circular I get mailed or watching Ian’s videos (the new one on the Japanese Pederson is cool) is enough for me.

397 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 19, 2015 9:28:06am

re: #394 Great White Snark

It always bugs me that canon at least skipped the low sensitivity settings that we had with slow film. ND filter? pffft. ISO 25.

I miss seriously silver rich ISO25 film in 120 format. Nothing finer in my Rolleicord III. Out on a bright sunny day, some clouds and a red filter… Ah.

398 CuriousLurker  Apr 19, 2015 9:36:35am

re: #394 Great White Snark

It always bugs me that canon at least skipped the low sensitivity settings that we had with slow film. ND filter? pffft. ISO 25.

Wow, never having owned anything beyond a cheap point & shoot (in terms of film cameras) before I bought my T3i, I wasn’t even aware ISO went that low! My dad had an Argus that was built like a tank (we’re talking 1960s-70s here) that he used to take gorgeous photos with, but I never paid much attention to how he took them—I hardly noticed anything BUT the photos.

He always used slide film and would develop any prints he wanted based on that. He had hundreds & hundreds of them taken in national parks (before I was born), the Texas coast, the Southwest… We’d set up the slide projector & screen a couple of times a year and look at them all. Because viewing slides meant you were looking at light passing through the photo/film instead of being reflected off paper, the colors were amazing. He could also take some amazing b&w photos. He had a great eye.

399 lawhawk  Apr 19, 2015 9:36:45am

re: #392 CuriousLurker

The waterfall shot was done with a Sigma 17-50 2.8. Only filter was skylight 1A. No ND filter used.

That particular waterfall shot (which was one of a series taken) is possible because the light was coming from the right angle to let me shoot slow 1/4 second at f16. Late afternoon and this particular waterfall’s location allows spring shots like that with the sun filtering through the not yet bloomed forest canopy without full intensity.

I got the timing/lighting right on that hike to get some great shots of the falls.

400 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 19, 2015 9:40:42am

re: #393 Dark_Falcon

Sure you wouldn’t rather put in a bid on this baby?

[Embedded content]

Look, don’t go interrupting our guitar p0rn with your gun p0rn! ;)

401 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2015 9:40:58am

re: #396 William Barnett-Lewis

Nice but I just put a Stevens 311 SxS double 12 gauge on layaway for this coming fall’s bird seasons. Besides, the RIA house is too rich for my blood - i love looking at the circular I get mailed or watching Ian’s videos (the new one on the Japanese Pederson is cool) is enough for me.

I thought the Japanese Pederson was pretty cool too. Seemed to come from the same group of Ordnance personnel sent to the Philippines as the Type 1 MMG Forgotten Weapons featured a while back. The Japanese were so desperate they were sending design-testers to war, and those testers decided to try to do more damage before dying by bringing some of the prototypes they had to hand with them.

402 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2015 9:43:12am

re: #400 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Look, don’t go interrupting our guitar p0rn with your gun p0rn! ;)

Phooey on youee! M1 Garands have historical value and the posting of one for auction is not pornographic in any sense of that term.

/I know you were somewhat kidding, but still.

403 stpaulbear  Apr 19, 2015 9:44:12am

re: #381 William Barnett-Lewis

So, far worse for my wallet than shoes, I’m GASing really hard for a new guitar out of my tax refund. Either this:

or this:

to complement the Telecaster… Sigh. If I were smart, I’d probably pay a couple of months rent, but who ever claimed I was smart? LOL

My car insurance bill usually arrives at the same time I get my tax return. Boring but nice to get that bill paid and have a little left over.

I’ll vote for the Les Paul just because of the finish. Aren’t Les Pauls heavy as all get out (I mean weight on your shoulder as well as the sound)?

404 CuriousLurker  Apr 19, 2015 9:48:49am

Oh look, Argus had a plastic “lady” camera. LOL, can you imagine the Twitter reaction if they did something like that today? The Argus Lady Carefree…

*facepalm, headdesk*

405 stpaulbear  Apr 19, 2015 9:57:29am

Obituary asks that people don’t vote for Hillary.

O_o

Link

406 Belafon  Apr 19, 2015 9:58:20am

re: #388 PhillyPretzel

Oy Vey. ::: eye roll ::: Now Walmart is prescribing meds.

I’m assuming you’re talking about deciding whether or not she gets them because Wal-Marts have had pharmacies for years.

407 Belafon  Apr 19, 2015 9:59:00am

re: #405 stpaulbear

Obituary asks that people don’t vote for Hillary.

O_o

Link

He doesn’t have to worry about the consequences of that decision.

408 CuriousLurker  Apr 19, 2015 10:02:56am
409 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 10:03:19am

re: #405 stpaulbear

Obituary asks that people don’t vote for Hillary.

O_o

Link

Well, fuck, it’s Concord, NC. Expected.

410 stpaulbear  Apr 19, 2015 10:04:22am

re: #407 Belafon

He doesn’t have to worry about the consequences of that decision.

FOX loses another viewer. It is kind of deranged that someone would want that in an obituary. Wonder if the family just slipped that in or if it was really a request of the deceased?

411 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2015 10:11:14am

re: #410 stpaulbear

FOX loses another viewer. It is kind of deranged that someone would want that in an obituary. Wonder if the family just slipped that in or if it was really a request of the deceased?

It says “Also, the family respectfully asks that you do not vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016.” So it was likely the family.

But if you think that’ deranged’, You’re not seeing it right, as I’m sure RWC will agree. It’s really an understanding by family subsumed within the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy that, if they do not use their newspaper space to try to Stop Hillary, then that would be a concession to Socialism.

/kidding about that last.

412 Mattand  Apr 19, 2015 10:12:51am

re: #381 William Barnett-Lewis

So, far worse for my wallet than shoes, I’m GASing really hard for a new guitar out of my tax refund. Either this:

Embedded Image

or this:

Embedded Image

to complement the Telecaster… Sigh. If I were smart, I’d probably pay a couple of months rent, but who ever claimed I was smart? LOL

Les Paul. Hands down.

413 Belafon  Apr 19, 2015 10:13:24am

re: #411 Dark_Falcon

It says “Also, the family respectfully asks that you do not vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016.” So it was likely the family.

But if you think that’ deranged’, You’re not seeing it right, as I’m sure RWC will agree. It’s really an understanding by family subsumed within the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy that, if they do not use their newspaper space to try to Stop Hillary, then that would be a concession to Socialism.

/kidding about that last.

Ok, that did make me laugh.

414 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 10:13:43am

re: #411 Dark_Falcon

It says “Also, the family respectfully asks that you do not vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016.” So it was likely the family.

But if you think that’ deranged’, You’re not seeing it right, as I’m sure RWC will agree. It’s really an understanding by family subsumed within the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy that, if they do not use their newspaper space to try to Stop Hillary, then that would be a concession to Socialism.

/kidding about that last.

Concord? That last is probably true.

415 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 10:18:30am

Not Ready for Prime Time says what?

Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., says people are ‘born with’ their sexual preference, believes states should define marriage - @CBSPolitics
read more on cbsnews.com

416 CuriousLurker  Apr 19, 2015 10:19:38am

OFFS, these guys are being so incredibly dickish about this, emphasis mine:

Pope’s remarks ‘to accelerate Hagia Sophia’s conversion into mosque’

Pope Francis’ labeling of the mass killings of the Ottoman Armenians as “the first genocide of the 20th century” will only accelerate the reopening of Hagia Sophia to Muslim worship, the top Islamic official in Ankara has suggested.

“Frankly, I believe that the pope’s remarks will only accelerate the process for Hagia Sophia to be re-opened for [Muslim] worship,” Professor Mefail Hizli, the mufti of Ankara, said in a written statement released late April 15.

According to Hizli, the pope’s statement “has reflected a modern color of the crusader wars launched in these lands for centuries.” These lands have long been the “standard bearer” of the Muslim world, meaning many enemies, both from inside and outside of the country, have been launching attacks with different methods. […]

Crusader wars? Srsly? *facepalm*

417 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 10:23:46am

The stench must be horrific.

Two 1,000-gallon anhydrous ammonia tanks fell off truck on I-70 at Warrenton in St. Louis, Mo.; 10 businesses evacuated - @Brpkelly
see original on twitter.com

418 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2015 10:24:19am

re: #414 Justanotherhuman

Concord? That last is probably true.

I know of Concord, New Hampshire, and Concord, Massachusetts, but not of Concord, North Carolina. Google Maps tells me its a suburb of Charlotte, but beyond that I know nothing of it.

419 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2015 10:24:52am

re: #417 Justanotherhuman

The stench must be horrific.

Two 1,000-gallon anhydrous ammonia tanks fell off truck on I-70 at Warrenton in St. Louis, Mo.; 10 businesses evacuated - @Brpkelly
see original on twitter.com

Stench is the least of their worries.

420 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2015 10:28:25am

re: #416 CuriousLurker

OFFS, these guys are being so incredibly dickish about this, emphasis mine:

Pope Francis’ labeling of the mass killings of the Ottoman Armenians as “the first genocide of the 20th century” will only accelerate the reopening of Hagia Sophia to Muslim worship, the top Islamic official in Ankara has suggested.

“Frnkl, blv tht th pp’s rmrks wll nl cclrt th prcss fr Hagia Sophia t b r-pee fr [Muslim] wrshp,” Professor Mefail Hizli, the mufti of Ankara, said in a written statement released late April 15.

According to Hizli, the pope’s statement “hs rflctd mdrn clr f th crsdr wrs lnchd n ths lnds fr cntrs.” These lands have long been the “stndrd brr” of the Muslim world, meaning many enemies, both from inside and outside of the country, have been launching attacks with different methods. […]

Crusader wars? Srsly? *facepalm*

The genocide denying bigot says what?

421 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2015 10:28:56am

re: #419 Backwoods_Sleuth

Stench is the least of their worries.

If the tanks are leaking, it is a life-threatening situation to anyone in the area, and I’m not talking about explosions.

422 CuriousLurker  Apr 19, 2015 10:31:27am

In case anyone missed it when I posted it last month, time is running out for this free access to Brill articles.

423 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 10:36:16am

re: #418 Dark_Falcon

I know of Concord, New Hampshire, and Concord, Massachusetts, but not of Concord, North Carolina. Google Maps tells me its a suburb of Charlotte, but beyond that I know nothing of it.

Home of the Charlotte Motor Speedway. Former mill town residence for Cannon Mills workers and “sister city” of Kannapolis, NC.

424 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2015 10:36:47am

God sure is having fun fooling the rubes again:

425 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2015 10:39:15am

Jump right on in, Lindsey!

426 PhillyPretzel  Apr 19, 2015 10:40:42am

re: #424 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #425 Backwoods_Sleuth

They think they hear G-d but it is their own silliness.

427 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2015 10:40:59am

re: #416 CuriousLurker

OFFS, these guys are being so incredibly dickish about this, emphasis mine:

Crusader wars? Srsly? *facepalm*

And on a related note, Mefail Hizli seems have had classes in tucking his head up his ass as part of his education. Because for him to talk of essentially saying “The Hagia Sophia is now a mosque again. No Christians will be allowed in and Christian artwork will be removed.” makes him look like a massive jerk and someone who intolerant of the opinions of others.

He also plays right into the negative stereotypes of Muslims thrown around by Pam Geller and her ilk.

428 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 10:41:28am

re: #425 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Klown Kar is getting crowded. Think Kasich will jump in, too?

429 PhillyPretzel  Apr 19, 2015 10:43:07am

re: #428 Justanotherhuman

The more the merrier. /half

430 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 10:43:21am

There isn’t enough popcorn to go around to endure these Krazy Klowns in the Republican Party.

431 Belafon  Apr 19, 2015 10:45:52am

re: #425 Backwoods_Sleuth

Jump right on in, Lindsey!

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I would love to know how he came up with 91%. I wonder if he’s 67% or 95% sure of that.

432 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 10:46:05am

In more White People News, you can see why they made Walker’s meet and greet move for a wedding party.

433 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 10:51:13am

O’Malley cites Republican talking point, “executive experience”, as something he would bring to a Dem primary.

Martin O’Malley will decide on 2016 bid by end of May

cbsnews.com

I welcome his entry, but Hillary Clinton has some also, as Secy of State, and she knows how Congress works as well, having been a US Senator.

434 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Apr 19, 2015 10:53:17am

Bitch session:

“History” Channel is showing some show about the World Wars. I’m looking at the final episode and they’re getting everything wrong in the most infantile way. Then DICK Cheney is one of their presenters. ‘Nuff said.

435 Iwouldprefernotto  Apr 19, 2015 10:53:40am

re: #433 Justanotherhuman

O’Malley cites Republican talking point, “executive experience”, as something he would bring to a Dem primary.

Martin O’Malley will decide on 2016 bid by end of May

cbsnews.com

I welcome his entry, but Hillary Clinton has some also, as Secy of State, and she knows how Congress works as well, having been a US Senator.

o’who?

436 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2015 10:55:22am

re: #434 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Bitch session:

“History” Channel is showing some show about the World Wars. I’m looking at the final episode and they’re getting everything wrong in the most infantile way. Then DICK Cheney is one of their presenters. ‘Nuff said.

What are they getting wrong?

437 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 19, 2015 10:57:22am

re: #434 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Bitch session:

“History” Channel is showing some show about the World Wars. I’m looking at the final episode and they’re getting everything wrong in the most infantile way. Then DICK Cheney is one of their presenters. ‘Nuff said.

What’s the name of the dreck?

438 allegro  Apr 19, 2015 10:58:59am

re: #433 Justanotherhuman

O’Malley cites Republican talking point, “executive experience”, as something he would bring to a Dem primary.

Martin O’Malley will decide on 2016 bid by end of May

cbsnews.com

I welcome his entry, but Hillary Clinton has some also, as Secy of State, and she knows how Congress works as well, having been a US Senator.

She also spent 8 years in the White House as first lady - unique and applicable experience no one else has ever had.

439 Belafon  Apr 19, 2015 10:59:13am

re: #433 Justanotherhuman

O’Malley cites Republican talking point, “executive experience”, as something he would bring to a Dem primary.

Martin O’Malley will decide on 2016 bid by end of May

cbsnews.com

I welcome his entry, but Hillary Clinton has some also, as Secy of State, and she knows how Congress works as well, having been a US Senator.

George W. Bush vs Barack Obama. Enough said about “executive experience.”

440 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Apr 19, 2015 11:00:59am

re: #437 William Barnett-Lewis

“The World Wars”

441 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2015 11:01:47am

Is there something wrong with O’Malley running?

Or is it the fact that he and Graham are waiting till May to formally start their runs?

Because I don’t see what either of them did to merit mockery in the quoted stories.

442 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2015 11:04:13am

hmmm…

443 b.d.  Apr 19, 2015 11:04:24am

re: #434 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Bitch session:

“History” Channel is showing some show about the World Wars. I’m looking at the final episode and they’re getting everything wrong in the most infantile way. Then DICK Cheney is one of their presenters. ‘Nuff said.

You mean Brad Pitt didn’t blow up Hitler?

444 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Apr 19, 2015 11:04:35am

re: #436 Dark_Falcon

I only looked for about 10 minutes or so, but in their recall of the battle of Midway, all four Japanese carriers were destroyed in six minutes. later, they Russsia’s secret weapon was winter, the winter caused the surrender of the Sixth Army at Stalingrad, and the surrender of the Sixth Army took Hitler by surprise.

445 A Cranky One  Apr 19, 2015 11:04:57am

Stumbled across this. Wow.

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446 CuriousLurker  Apr 19, 2015 11:06:09am

re: #445 A Cranky One

Stumbled across this. Wow.

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Video

Wow indeed. Klys, especially, will like that one.

447 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 19, 2015 11:06:46am

re: #438 allegro

She also spent 8 years in the White House as first lady - unique and applicable experience no one else has ever had.

And she’s crossed the commander-in-chief threshold:

In a Cabinet-style setting, surrounded by retired military leaders, Sen. Hillary Clinton said the public should ask whether Democratic presidential rival Barack Obama has met the criteria needed to become the nation’s commander in chief.

“I think that since we now know Sen. (John) McCain will be the nominee for the Republican Party, national security will be front and center in this election. We all know that. And I think it’s imperative that each of us be able to demonstrate we can cross the commander-in-chief threshold,” the New York senator told reporters crowded into an infant’s bedroom-sized hotel conference room in Washington.

“I believe that I’ve done that. Certainly, Sen. McCain has done that and you’ll have to ask Sen. Obama with respect to his candidacy,” she said.

Calling McCain, the presumptive GOP nominee a good friend and a “distinguished man with a great history of service to our country,” Clinton said, “Both of us will be on that stage having crossed that threshold. That is a critical criterion for the next Democratic nominee to deal with.”

448 Belafon  Apr 19, 2015 11:07:25am

re: #442 Backwoods_Sleuth

But he still thinks the states get to define marriage:

“I don’t believe same-sex marriage is a Constitutional right,”

He’s decided he doesn’t want to win anyone’s vote.

449 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2015 11:07:44am

While I wait for answers to my questions, here’s a Sanity Break:

‘It’s our responsibility as moms’: Mother-of-two Kristen Bell urges parents to vaccinate their children as she stars in spring-inspired cover shoot

Kristen Bell, the voice of Frozen’s Anna and the spunky star of House of Lies, believes that parents take the anti-vaccination debate too far and endanger other kids while they are at it.

‘Your child is 100 times more likely to be struck by lightning than to have a severe reaction to a vaccine; that’s a fact,’ Kristen said in an interview for the May issue of Good Housekeeping.

The mother of two daughters, Lincoln, two, and Delta, just four months, with actor Dax Sheppard shares how her views on vaccinations actually changed after the birth of her girls, as well as her own self-acceptance of her changing body and the hustle of her acting career.

Kristen takes a hard stance on vaccinating her kids and urges other parents to do so as well. Citing scientific research, she shares her intimate belief that it’s her duty to not only protect her children, but other children, too - especially those who may suffer from autoimmune diseases or cancer.

‘If your kid can’t get vaccinations; if he goes to school with my kid and I choose not to give my kid vaccinations, I’m putting your kid at risk,’ she said. ‘To me, that’s unacceptable.’

‘As moms, our responsibility is not just to our kids - it’s to all the other kids, too,’ she added.

450 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2015 11:08:04am

re: #448 Belafon

But he still thinks the states get to define marriage:

He’s decided he doesn’t want to win anyone’s vote.

I noticed that.
:D

451 CuriousLurker  Apr 19, 2015 11:09:20am

re: #441 Dark_Falcon

Is there something wrong with O’Malley running?

Or is it the fact that he and Graham are waiting till May to formally start their runs?

Because I don’t see what either of them did to merit mockery in the quoted stories.

IMO, the Graham snark was probably for the weird 91% claim, also he’s just not generally well liked on the left. I don’t know anything about O’Malley other than that he was previously the Governor of Maryland, so I can’t comment on that.

452 Belafon  Apr 19, 2015 11:11:28am

re: #441 Dark_Falcon

Is there something wrong with O’Malley running?

Or is it the fact that he and Graham are waiting till May to formally start their runs?

Because I don’t see what either of them did to merit mockery in the quoted stories.

Graham won’t even win his home state; forget everywhere else. If he had any self-awareness, he would understand that.

453 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2015 11:12:20am

re: #451 CuriousLurker

IMO, the Graham snark was probably for the weird 91% claim, also he’s just not generally well liked on the left. I don’t know anything about O’Malley other than that he was previously the Governor of Maryland, so I can’t comment on that.

Lindsey is, for all general purposes, mockable on most levels when it comes to him even considering running for President.
O’Malley is going to announce that he’s running, but will ultimately settle for a VP offer (which, I think, is his actual game plan).

454 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2015 11:15:40am

re: #444 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I only looked for about 10 minutes or so, but in their recall of the battle of Midway, all four Japanese carriers were destroyed in six minutes. later, they Russsia’s secret weapon was winter, the winter caused the surrender of the Sixth Army at Stalingrad, and the surrender of the Sixth Army took Hitler by surprise.

To be fair, lots of people in the West still think the only advantages the Red Army had were numbers and winter.

And if this is the mini-series I think it is, I watched a few minutes of it some months back. I changed the channel when it showed German paratroopers dropping over what the text on the screen said was the Maginot Line. When I saw the very important 1940 German campaign against France being depicted so briefly and inaccurately I knew the series was worthless.

I understand why an American TV program might not want to lavish attention on the German campaign against France and the Low Countries in May-June 1940, but having a basic understanding of how that campaign went down is vital to understand how the US Army trained, planned and fought later in the war (US tank destroyer doctrine was a direct reaction to that campaign, to take just one example).

For the History Channel to care so little about accuracy and actually informing its viewers is to do said viewers a great disservice.

455 CuriousLurker  Apr 19, 2015 11:16:49am

re: #453 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lindsey is, for all general purposes, mockable on most levels when it comes to him even considering running for President.
O’Malley is going to announce that he’s running, but will ultimately settle for a VP offer (which, I think, is his actual game plan).

I keep forgetting that some of them only enter the game shooting for a chance at the VP spot.

456 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 11:17:45am

Note that this guy is connected to the Electronic Frontier Foundation. He should have known better.

Computer researcher denied from boarding flight after tweet poking United Airlines about aircraft security - @AP

bigstory.ap.org

457 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 11:19:16am

re: #438 allegro

She also spent 8 years in the White House as first lady - unique and applicable experience no one else has ever had.

Yeah, that’s true, but I was trying to avoid it, and concentrate on her own accomplishments outside of being FLOTUS.

458 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Apr 19, 2015 11:20:47am

re: #454 Dark_Falcon

I has occurred to me that it is odd that there is so little Japanese film from the war.

459 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2015 11:20:58am

re: #448 Belafon

But he still thinks the states get to define marriage:

He’s decided he doesn’t want to win anyone’s vote.

Well, I don’t think same-sex marriage is a constitutional right either. But that matters only to a limited degree, since;

1. The Constitution does not bar it, either. Rather, I see our founding document as being silent on the matter.

2. It’s enactment is the right thing to do. The arguments against it do not add up to enough to justify the pain its refusal inflicts.

460 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 19, 2015 11:21:03am

re: #444 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I only looked for about 10 minutes or so, but in their recall of the battle of Midway, all four Japanese carriers were destroyed in six minutes. later, they Russsia’s secret weapon was winter, the winter caused the surrender of the Sixth Army at Stalingrad, and the surrender of the Sixth Army took Hitler by surprise.

Looks like a very carefully constructed Pop version of the history with nothing even slightly controversial or challenging the standard accounts (see the book “Shattered Swords” for a better understanding of Midway for example).

461 A Cranky One  Apr 19, 2015 11:21:52am

re: #454 Dark_Falcon

The “History” channel, with such great shows about history such as:

Ancient Aliens
Big Rig Bounty Hunters
Cajun Pawn Stars
Search for the Lost Giants

Yup, going to get real history there. /

462 Justanotherhuman  Apr 19, 2015 11:24:34am

BBL.

463 PhillyPretzel  Apr 19, 2015 11:25:47am

re: #444 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

This is one of quite a few reasons why I try to post information of my late Dad’s unit SHAEF. Here is the wiki entry for this group: en.wikipedia.org

464 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2015 11:26:01am

re: #458 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I has occurred to me that it is odd that there is so little Japanese film from the war.

Japan did not have the camera and film industry Germany and even Italy did. Cameras were much more rare in Japan at the time. Moreover, the Japanese forces were often far from the facilities needed to develop film.

465 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 19, 2015 11:26:04am

re: #454 Dark_Falcon

(US tank destroyer doctrine was a direct reaction to that campaign, to take just one example).
.

A hideously mistaken doctrine that killed a lot of troops needlessly at that but, yes, derived from our (mis)understanding of Fall Gelb.

466 Belafon  Apr 19, 2015 11:29:47am

re: #459 Dark_Falcon

Well, I don’t think same-sex marriage is a constitutional right either. But that matters only to a limited degree, since;

1. The Constitution does not bar it, either. Rather, I see our founding document as being silent on the matter.

2. It’s enactment is the right thing to do. The arguments against it do not add up to enough to justify the pain its refusal inflicts.

I see the Constitution as being in favor of SSM because of the fourteenth amendment. No state should be able to decide that laws apply to only one group of people and not another.

467 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 19, 2015 11:30:38am

re: #412 Mattand

I think the boat anchor has a better tone than the Strat, but that’s just my biased Telecaster opinion.

468 Eventual Carrion  Apr 19, 2015 11:31:22am

re: #424 Backwoods_Sleuth

God sure is having fun fooling the rubes again:

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I’m trying to think if I have ever heard one of them say god told them NOT to run.

469 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 19, 2015 11:31:53am

re: #466 Belafon

I see the Constitution as being in favor of SSM because of the fourteenth amendment. No state should be able to decide that laws apply to only one group of people and not another.

I think contract law should cover SSM, and not religiousity. It’s not about fancy ceremonies, it’s about benefits.

470 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 19, 2015 11:33:33am

re: #458 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I has occurred to me that it is odd that there is so little Japanese film from the war.

I’ve actually seen Japanese film from the war, and heaven help me I’d rather not have (Nanking, Unit 731).

471 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2015 11:34:01am

re: #469 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I think contract law should cover SSM, and not religiousity. It’s not about fancy ceremonies, it’s about benefits.

That’s what happens when people erroneously equate legal marriage certificate with a religious ceremony.

472 Lidane  Apr 19, 2015 11:34:31am
473 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 19, 2015 11:34:50am

re: #461 A Cranky One

The “History” channel, with such great shows about history such as:

Ancient Aliens
Big Rig Bounty Hunters
Cajun Pawn Stars
Search for the Lost Giants

Yup, going to get real history there. /

Those ancient aliens shows are to be avoided for the sake of my blood pressure. They seem unable to resist “Humans couldn’t possibly have…” in order to move on to insisting that aliens from outer space had to have traveled many light years just to help our ancestors pile up giant stone blocks. The shows’ denial of human ingenuity and our capacity for collective labor is beyond annoying.

474 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 19, 2015 11:36:24am

re: #473 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I might suggest this for your blood pressure:

…

Apparently, he’s a nut on other subjects, but he hits Ancient Aliens square in the sensitive areas.

475 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 19, 2015 11:36:39am

Good afternoon Lizards from partly sunny Philadelphia. Some sun, but mainly light overcast and in the 60s. Good day to have the windows open and use a few small fans to move the air around. (Not so good for my allergies.)

Pie is cooling and lamb marinating in the fridge to start making stew around 4pm. So I am resting up a bit before starting on further prep work.

Weekend activities have been hampered by a cold/sinus infection making me feel tired. And a set of bug bites* from last Monday or so are in full allergic reaction as well and make standing up and sitting down a bit painful. Cortisone cream helping a bit, but this too needs to be ridden out.

* - Mainly small clusters of 2-4 bite weals, but one group on the front of my waistline is in an annoying spot. Plus one large array of about 20 bites on the backside. Not sure what the culprits were, but it took 2-3 days for the bite sites to flare up. Not ticks luckily.

476 Lidane  Apr 19, 2015 11:38:06am

re: #466 Belafon

I see the Constitution as being in favor of SSM because of the fourteenth amendment. No state should be able to decide that laws apply to only one group of people and not another.

EXACTLY.

Equal protection under the law means equal access TO the law. If it’s legal for straight people to get married there’s no reason why gay people can’t get married either.

re: #469 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I think contract law should cover SSM, and not religiousity. It’s not about fancy ceremonies, it’s about benefits.

Ayep. Under the law, marriage is a legal contract that confers certain rights and obligations on people. Why should that contract only apply to straight people? It makes no sense.

477 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2015 11:38:31am

re: #475 Feline Fearless Leader

* - Mainly small clusters of 2-4 bite weals, but one group on the front of my waistline is in an annoying spot. Plus one large array of about 20 bites on the backside. Not sure what the culprits were, but it took 2-3 days for the bite sites to flare up. Not ticks luckily.

sand fleas or maybe no see ums?

478 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 19, 2015 11:39:18am

re: #474 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Thank you for that. In a sane world, Erik von Daniken’s books would have been made into movie comedies.

479 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Apr 19, 2015 11:39:28am

re: #475 Feline Fearless Leader

Make sure you look both ways when crossing the street. Been a lot of hit and runs lately

480 ObserverArt  Apr 19, 2015 11:42:38am

So, apparently all that build up on local Columbus media to be sure to watch John Kasich on Meet the Press for a big announcement on his presidential aspirations came down to him waiting for a message from God?

I think what he meant was the money gods. They probably aren’t talking right now.

Glad I missed MTP. The race I watched with a friend was much better.

481 CuriousLurker  Apr 19, 2015 11:46:17am

Since ya’ll are talking about WW2, I started reading The War That Ended Peace: The Road to 1914. It seems to be well written and grabbed my attention from the first page.

Once I’m done with that—it’ll probably take a good long while as I’m a fast reader but have little time for it and it weighs in at almost 800 pages—and have wrapped my head around what happened, then I’ll move on to either From the Ashes of War: The Creation of the Middle East or A Peace to End All Peace: The Fall of the Ottoman Empire and the Creation of the Modern Middle East. Maybe I’ll read both since the former is only 62 pages.

If anyone has recommendations on other books. let me know. Note: I love history, but it needs to read like a novel and I’m not interested in detailed discussion of military strategies or weapons and the like. I want to know how human lives were affected and why.

BTW, A Line in the Sand: The Anglo-French Struggle for the Middle East, 1914-1948 also looks interesting, but I don’t know if I want to invest the time reading 500 pages about it when I have dozens & dozens of other Kindle books on various subjects that I’ve already purchased…

482 Lidane  Apr 19, 2015 11:48:19am

Hallelujah! I haz a new phone. I’m digging it.

Between this phone and my Kindle there’s almost no reason to use a laptop anymore except for work or for updating iTunes. Me likey.

483 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 19, 2015 11:49:26am

re: #481 CuriousLurker

I can recomend “A Peace To End All Peace”. Depressing because it’s accurate…

484 jaunte  Apr 19, 2015 11:49:37am

re: #472 Lidane

“…I’ve met friends who have come out of that lifestyle, I’ve met men who are willing and ready and begging for a bill to come up in the Texas legislature that they can testify in support of in order to defend the right of parents and defend the right of those individuals who choose to seek a way out of sexual perversion.”

Cathie’s invisible friends.

485 CuriousLurker  Apr 19, 2015 11:49:59am

re: #471 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s what happens when people erroneously equate legal marriage certificate with a religious ceremony.

This. If contract law should cover SSM, then it should cover ALL marriage. Let the churches, synagogues, mosques and temples perform the religious rites.

486 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2015 11:50:17am

re: #445 A Cranky One

It is an amazing performance.

Pedal harp, which is different than what I play. That’s why she can pull off all the �*(&%*(&%*(@# chromatics in the piece. :)

487 CuriousLurker  Apr 19, 2015 11:52:28am

re: #483 William Barnett-Lewis

I can recomend “A Peace To End All Peace”. Depressing because it’s accurate…

Thanks. I’m guessing that most of this war reading isn’t gonna be terribly uplifting, but I feel like it’s a context I need to understand. *sigh*

488 jaunte  Apr 19, 2015 11:53:45am

re: #481 CuriousLurker

I wish some of the people running for President would read history.

489 CuriousLurker  Apr 19, 2015 11:54:17am

re: #488 jaunte

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I wish some of the people running for President would read history.

Indeed. *smh*

490 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2015 11:55:21am

re: #485 CuriousLurker

This. If contract law should cover SSM, then it should cover ALL marriage. Let the churches, synagogues, and temples perform the religious rites.

There’s a good argument for that, CL, but I still argument against it. It’s not worth the anger and fear of government such a legal regime of marriage would bring. It would be seen as stripping powers from the clergy and vesting them in the state. And there are places in America where that could lead to major violence, egged on by irresponsible media outlets (Fox News, this means YOU!).

I’d prefer inconsistency to insurrection. I’ll document my concern about that last point in my next post.

491 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 19, 2015 11:56:59am

re: #490 Dark_Falcon

First Amendment much?

492 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 19, 2015 11:57:11am

re: #485 CuriousLurker

This. If contract law should cover SSM, then it should cover ALL marriage. Let the churches, synagogues, and temples perform the religious rites.

Because there is a distinction between the sacrament of holy matrimony and the legal status of marriage. That nuance is lost on a lot of Americans, or willingly and cynically ignored to promote anti-gay talking points.

493 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 19, 2015 11:57:28am

re: #477 Backwoods_Sleuth

sand fleas or maybe no see ums?

Most likely since I avoided contact with brush while walking around beaches and the state park where Fort Miles used to be that day.

However mites or chiggers I guess are possible since most of the bite action was under clothing at the upper climb limit due to my belt constricting higher access. Which I guess would be possible given I spent time at a picnic bench in a rest area eating lunch. That would normally raise the possibility of wasps or ants, but their stings and bites tend to draw your immediate attention.

494 Belafon  Apr 19, 2015 11:58:02am

re: #490 Dark_Falcon

The clergy has no power under the US constitution beyond what every other person has. They have to power to decide who gets to follow what laws.

495 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 19, 2015 11:59:25am

re: #488 jaunte

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I wish some of the people running for President would read history.

Or they have and saw the phrase “short and victorious war” without understanding the context.
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496 Lidane  Apr 19, 2015 12:00:09pm

re: #488 jaunte

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I wish some of the people running for President would read history.

497 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2015 12:00:30pm

re: #490 Dark_Falcon

As promised:

Militia heads to Oregon gold mine as tensions mount with BLM (VIDEO)

up.anv.bz

In an event reminiscent of the standoff last year between Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy and authorities representing the Bureau of Land Management, members of the group known as Oath Keepers have began to set up camp in Josephine County, Oregon, where the owners of a mining claim have become involved in a battle over property rights with the BLM.

The current owners of the Sugar Pine mining claim, who have battled with the BLM for some time now, said their rights to the claim have been grandfathered in, passed down for well over 100 years, but according to reports from a local ABC affiliate, the BLM said the claim’s documents are outdated and since the claim has changed owners at some point in the past, those documents are now obsolete.

However, unlike the Bundy dispute, the BLM isn’t telling the claim owners they must desert their operation altogether.

Jim Whittington, with the Bureau of Land Management, said the mining operations that are currently being performed at the claim are such that require more than just a basic mining claim. Whittington said they must either cut back the operation so that it falls in line with regulations or obtain the proper documents.

However, the owners of the claim are apparently concerned that authorities will shut down their mining operation without due process, and that’s why they called in the Oath Keepers.

“Because we are a constitutional group,” said Mary Emerick with Oath Keepers. “We defend the Constitution … and we are here just to make sure that they receive their Fifth Amendment rights which is due process.”

498 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2015 12:00:48pm

We currently let religious folks perform a ceremony that has legal implications. They can perform that ceremony without any legal implications too, but the government doesn’t recognize it then. The government only recognizes it if they have the appropriate paperwork, specific to the couple.

In other words, contract law already applies to marriage.

What people are saying is that the contract law should be applied equally. However, because of the conflation of having the paperwork with the religious ceremony, a lot of people feel that their religion gets a say in who should have access to that paperwork.

It doesn’t.

499 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2015 12:02:30pm

re: #494 Belafon

The clergy has no power under the US constitution beyond what every other person has. They have to power to decide who gets to follow what laws.

I’m not saying the government doesn’t have that power. I’m saying that it does have that power but when it comes to letting clergy legally marry people that government should not exercise its power in the manner CL suggests.

500 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2015 12:03:37pm

re: #493 Feline Fearless Leader

Most likely since I avoided contact with brush while walking around beaches and the state park where Fort Miles used to be that day.

However mites or chiggers I guess are possible since most of the bite action was under clothing at the upper climb limit due to my belt constricting higher access. Which I guess would be possible given I spent time at a picnic bench in a rest area eating lunch. That would normally raise the possibility of wasps or ants, but their stings and bites tend to draw your immediate attention.

I would have mentioned chiggers, because they prefer belt, sock and other tighter clothing areas, but those are more likely in brushy or scrub areas.
Sand fleas are my guess now since no see ums are also pretty obvious at first bite.

501 Lidane  Apr 19, 2015 12:03:52pm

re: #497 Dark_Falcon

As promised:

Militia heads to Oregon gold mine as tensions mount with BLM (VIDEO)

Related:

502 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2015 12:04:49pm

re: #498 klys (maker of Silmarils)

And it’s worth noting that the people who feel their religious beliefs should prevent SSM are perfectly happy to stomp all over the folks whose religious beliefs don’t have any issue with it and are, in fact, perfectly happy to offer religious ceremonies to those couples.

If there is a constitutional right to marriage (and the Supreme Court has held that there is), then there is no constitutionally valid reason that I can see to deny the right to same sex marriage.

503 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2015 12:05:15pm

re: #499 Dark_Falcon

I’m not saying the government doesn’t have that power. I’m saying that it does have that power but when it comes to letting clergy legally marry people that government should not exercise its power in the manner CL suggests.

The government is not requiring clergy to officiate any and all marriages.

504 CuriousLurker  Apr 19, 2015 12:05:16pm

re: #490 Dark_Falcon

There’s a good argument for that, CL, but I still argument against it. It’s not worth the anger and fear of government such a legal regime of marriage would bring. It would be seen as stripping powers from the clergy and vesting them in the state. And there are places in America where that could lead to major violence, egged on by irresponsible media outlets (Fox News, this means YOU!).

I’d prefer inconsistency to insurrection. I’ll document my concern about that last point in my next post.

But it’s already basically just a contractual thing. A justice of the peace who (in my experience) is usually the one who performs a civil ceremony, isn’t a cleric.

505 Lidane  Apr 19, 2015 12:05:39pm

re: #499 Dark_Falcon

Clergy don’t have any special powers. They’re given the ability to marry people, but they don’t get to decide what the law says on who can or can’t get married. That’s not their job.

506 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2015 12:08:17pm

Good grief, clergy can refuse to perform weddings if the bride and/or groom are not members of their church.
That has not a damned thing to do with the law.

507 CuriousLurker  Apr 19, 2015 12:08:26pm

re: #498 klys (maker of Silmarils)

We currently let religious folks perform a ceremony that has legal implications. They can perform that ceremony without any legal implications too, but the government doesn’t recognize it then. The government only recognizes it if they have the appropriate paperwork, specific to the couple.

In other words, contract law already applies to marriage.

What people are saying is that the contract law should be applied equally. However, because of the conflation of having the paperwork with the religious ceremony, a lot of people feel that their religion gets a say in who should have access to that paperwork.

It doesn’t.

You said that WAY better than I did. Faster too. ;)

508 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2015 12:08:26pm

re: #503 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #505 Lidane

Guys, I know and I agree. I’m sorry for not expressing myself more clearly.

509 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2015 12:09:31pm

re: #504 CuriousLurker

But it’s already basically just a contractual thing. A justice of the peace who (in my experience) is usually the one who performs a civil ceremony, isn’t a cleric.

Hell, in Alaska, I think anyone is allowed to serve as officiant for a marriage ceremony.

And those marriages are just as valid in the eyes of the government as any religious ceremony (provided the appropriate paperwork has been filed in all cases).

510 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2015 12:11:17pm

re: #508 Dark_Falcon

Guys, I know and I agree. I’m sorry for not expressing myself more clearly.

So, what are you talking about with this? It has nothing to do with contract law and it certainly doesn’t force clergy to do anything they don’t want.

re: #490 Dark_Falcon

There’s a good argument for that, CL, but I still argument against it. It’s not worth the anger and fear of government such a legal regime of marriage would bring. It would be seen as stripping powers from the clergy and vesting them in the state. And there are places in America where that could lead to major violence, egged on by irresponsible media outlets (Fox News, this means YOU!).

I’d prefer inconsistency to insurrection. I’ll document my concern about that last point in my next post.

511 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2015 12:13:01pm

re: #510 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, what are you talking about with this? It has nothing to do with contract law and it certainly doesn’t force clergy to do anything they don’t want.

Where is this

I may be wrong, but I think DF read CL’s comment as saying that we should move to a system like England’s, where the civil ceremony is separate from the religious ceremony.

That’s certainly not how I would read CL’s comment (just that she was emphasizing that the civil and religious aspects are separate, even though they are often conflated) but I could sort of understand how he might get there.

512 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2015 12:14:26pm

re: #510 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sorry but I’m on my way out the door. BBL

513 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2015 12:15:02pm

re: #511 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I may be wrong, but I think DF read CL’s comment as saying that we should move to a system like England’s, where the civil ceremony is separate from the religious ceremony.

That’s certainly not how I would read CL’s comment (just that she was emphasizing that the civil and religious aspects are separate, even though they are often conflated) but I could sort of understand how he might get there.

That’s how I read it. Oops.

514 CuriousLurker  Apr 19, 2015 12:15:45pm

re: #499 Dark_Falcon

I’m not saying the government doesn’t have that power. I’m saying that it does have that power but when it comes to letting clergy legally marry people that government should not exercise its power in the manner CL suggests.

Nothing would change WRT the clergy. If they have the proper paperwork, then the state still recognizes the marriage.

If people want to bring religion into marriage, then let’s make it even-Steven and have religion—not the courts—dictate under what conditions a couple can divorce. Yeah, propose that to the people who claim marriage is a religious institution and you’ll hear all kinds of howling.

Also, if marriage is a religious institution, then why are atheists allowed to marry? Why are people of different religions allowed to marry, regardless of what their respective religions dictate?

515 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2015 12:17:10pm

re: #511 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I may be wrong, but I think DF read CL’s comment as saying that we should move to a system like England’s, where the civil ceremony is separate from the religious ceremony.

That’s certainly not how I would read CL’s comment (just that she was emphasizing that the civil and religious aspects are separate, even though they are often conflated) but I could sort of understand how he might get there.

But we already do have separate civil and religious aspects.
I’ve been married twice (widowed and then remarried). Both of my marriages were civil ceremonies, not a church in sight.

516 A Cranky One  Apr 19, 2015 12:18:16pm

re: #486 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It is an amazing performance.

Pedal harp, which is different than what I play. That’s why she can pull off all the ‘*(&%*(&%*(@# chromatics in the piece. :)

I noticed her using the pedals, now that you’ve taught me what to look for. ;)

Had to chuckle at your description of the chromatics. LOL.

517 Belafon  Apr 19, 2015 12:19:18pm

re: #499 Dark_Falcon

I’m not saying the government doesn’t have that power. I’m saying that it does have that power but when it comes to letting clergy legally marry people that government should not exercise its power in the manner CL suggests.

I think CL is more correct. For the application of the law - how taxes are determined, who gets to speak for the spouse in an emergency, property ownership - the clergy has no authority. It all has to do with the state. Churches can perform any wedding they want, but it doesn’t count with the government unless the correct paperwork is filed. Conversely, a church cannot oppose a government sanctioned wedding just because they don’t like it.

518 BeachDem  Apr 19, 2015 12:20:17pm

re: #497 Dark_Falcon

As promised:

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519 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 19, 2015 12:20:47pm

re: #517 Belafon

I think CL is more correct. For the application of the law - how taxes are determined, who gets to speak for the spouse in an emergency, property ownership - the clergy has no authority. It all has to do with the state. Churches can perform any wedding they want, but it doesn’t count with the government unless the correct paperwork is filed. Conversely, a church cannot oppose a government sanctioned wedding just because they don’t like it.

Well, they can oppose it, or a divorce even. But they don’t have a legal leg to stand on.

520 Belafon  Apr 19, 2015 12:21:58pm

re: #519 Feline Fearless Leader

Well, they can oppose it, or a divorce even. But they don’t have a legal leg to stand on.

Yeah, I meant oppose to mean being able to stop or undo a marriage.

521 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2015 12:22:18pm

I remember, many decades ago it was not unheard of for retired couples to have a religious ceremony (so they wouldn’t be “living in sin”) but not go through with a legal marriage so as to protect their Social Security and other retirement benefits.
Might still be a “thing” with retirees.

522 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2015 12:22:38pm

re: #515 Backwoods_Sleuth

But we already do have separate civil and religious aspects.
I’ve been married twice (widowed and then remarried). Both of my marriages were civil ceremonies, not a church in sight.

Right, here in the US we can have a civil ceremony, or a combined civil/religious ceremony. The decision about which is up to the couple.

In England, there is the civil ceremony, and then there can be a separate religious ceremony if the couple chooses. *

DF apparently thought CL was advocating for the complete separation of the civil and religious aspects, requiring all couples to be married in a civil ceremony and then allowing a religious ceremony afterwards.

* Although double checking on this there are apparently churches that can register the marriage with the register office after the religious ceremony, which would be like our combined civil/religious thing. I don’t know if that’s new or was just a misunderstanding on my part previously.

523 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2015 12:23:01pm

re: #516 A Cranky One

I noticed her using the pedals, now that you’ve taught me what to look for. ;)

Had to chuckle at your description of the chromatics. LOL.

Lever flipping is a bitch.

524 A Cranky One  Apr 19, 2015 12:23:45pm

re: #490 Dark_Falcon

There’s a good argument for that, CL, but I still argument against it. It’s not worth the anger and fear of government such a legal regime of marriage would bring. It would be seen as stripping powers from the clergy and vesting them in the state. And there are places in America where that could lead to major violence, egged on by irresponsible media outlets (Fox News, this means YOU!).

I’d prefer inconsistency to insurrection. I’ll document my concern about that last point in my next post.

We need to stop conflating Holy Matrimony with a civil contract. And clergy should have no say in civil contracts, period. Clergy are under no obligation to perform marriage ceremonies they don’t approve of, so why should we care what they think? And if we refused to acknowledge rights because some object, we’d still have slavery. SMH.

525 CuriousLurker  Apr 19, 2015 12:25:34pm

re: #511 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I may be wrong, but I think DF read CL’s comment as saying that we should move to a system like England’s, where the civil ceremony is separate from the religious ceremony.

That’s certainly not how I would read CL’s comment (just that she was emphasizing that the civil and religious aspects are separate, even though they are often conflated) but I could sort of understand how he might get there.

I’m basically saying leave the freaking religion out of it unless it was a religious ceremony—i.e. if you want to be married by your imam, rabbi, priest, whatever and s/he files the appropriate paperwork, then nothing changes (the state still recognizes it). In short, I guess what I’m saying is it should be a constitutional right under our system.

526 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2015 12:25:38pm

re: #522 klys (maker of Silmarils)

* Although double checking on this there are apparently churches that can register the marriage with the register office after the religious ceremony, which would be like our combined civil/religious thing. I don’t know if that’s new or was just a misunderstanding on my part previously.

Yes, I have several friends who are vicars in CoE and their “wedding book entries” are filed with the registry office as legal documents.

527 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2015 12:27:54pm

Our wedding was officiated by a UU minister (friend of my mother’s who had known me since I was 6 months old and only became a minister while I was in college).

That was pretty much the only reason we had a minister involved, because of the family friend aspect.

As a nod to making my mother happy, we included one Bible reading. From Ruth, about how she wouldn’t abandon Naomi.

We also included a reading from the original CA Supreme Court decision allowing SSM in the state, describing what the institution of marriage means to people. We weren’t in anyone’s face about what that case was, but it was my own form of protest about it. Also probably went way over the heads of most of my relatives, who take a …disappointing stance on this issue - but I didn’t want a lot of drama about it, I just wanted us to be able to do something to make our feelings known if you knew where to look.

528 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2015 12:29:48pm

re: #526 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yes, I have several friends who are vicars in CoE and their “wedding book entries” are filed with the registry office as legal documents.

Oh hey, it turns out that it’s France where the civil ceremony is required and must be performed in the council offices.

>.>

529 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 19, 2015 12:30:32pm

re: #526 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yes, I have several friends who are vicars in CoE and their “wedding book entries” are filed with the registry office as legal documents.

Also, there’s other paperwork, like a government-issued certificate.

530 A Cranky One  Apr 19, 2015 12:30:36pm

re: #523 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Lever flipping is a bitch.

Need to build the specific muscle groups to make it easier. Perhaps a targeted exercise such as flipping desks? /

531 CuriousLurker  Apr 19, 2015 12:31:03pm

re: #528 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Oh hey, it turns out that it’s France where the civil ceremony is required and must be performed in the council offices.

>.>

Not surprised considering their insistence on public secularism.

532 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 19, 2015 12:32:23pm

re: #530 A Cranky One

Need to build the specific muscle groups to make it easier. Perhaps a targeted exercise such as flipping desks? /

It’s more the whole “do it while in the middle of the song so quickly because you need that hand to play notes again and don’t forget to flip it back or else you’re going to have bad chromatics!”

I’m not very good at fast.

533 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 19, 2015 12:35:00pm

re: #445 A Cranky One

Stumbled across this. Wow.

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Video

Wow indeed. How old is that little girl?

534 sagehen  Apr 19, 2015 12:53:44pm

re: #481 CuriousLurker

If anyone has recommendations on other books. let me know. Note: I love history, but it needs to read like a novel and I’m not interested in detailed discussion of military strategies or weapons and the like. I want to know how human lives were affected and why.

Are you looking only for WWII? ‘Cause I’d highly recommend the greatest Civil War book ever, Battle Cry of Freedom
There’s enough military stuff to please people who do want that, but also lots of politics and economics and personalities and just everything. Very big on the “why”.

535 A Cranky One  Apr 19, 2015 12:55:53pm

re: #533 Lord Of The Pies

Wow indeed. How old is that little girl?

Don’t know, looked around a bit but no joy.

536 CuriousLurker  Apr 19, 2015 12:56:40pm

re: #534 sagehen

I’m looking for WW1 & WW2 right now, but I’ll put that one on my list also. Thanks.

537 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 19, 2015 1:19:16pm

re: #512 Dark_Falcon

Sorry but I’m on my way out the door. BBL

Why did I expect this.


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