Video: Pres. Obama Says Elizabeth Warren Is ‘Wrong’ About the TPP Deal

“I love Elizabeth, we’re allies… but she’s wrong on this.”
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There’s a lot of discussion about the Trans-Pacific Partnership deal in the previous thread, so here’s a relevant video clip from the Chris Matthews show, with President Obama making his case for the deal.

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495 comments

1 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 22, 2015 5:17:55pm

I believe Bill Clinton said the same thing about NAFTA.

Also, OT, any way you could up the image limit to 1MB? It’s hell to get an animated gif under 500K. :)

2 ObserverArt  Apr 22, 2015 5:19:14pm

Thanks for putting up the video Charles. I won’t have to write about it again!

3 Decatur Deb  Apr 22, 2015 5:20:02pm

They’re both allowed to be wrong occasionally. Of course we could inpeech them and try them for treason and mopery.

4 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 22, 2015 5:20:30pm

Your video is loading … and loading … and loading. At least it’s not autoplaying.

5 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 22, 2015 5:20:56pm

re: #4 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Your video is loading … and loading … and loading. At least it’s not autoplaying.

There are no better words on the internet than that.

6 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 22, 2015 5:22:54pm

re: #5 klys (maker of Silmarils)

There are no better words on the internet than that.

ESPN has always been bad. Now, YouTube has the damn autoplay next rec’d video. I show a video in class about one thing (kumbucha, for instance) and suddenly, it’s about to play another video about Baboon mating habits.

7 Decatur Deb  Apr 22, 2015 5:23:45pm

re: #6 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

ESPN has always been bad. Now, YouTube has the damn autoplay next rec’d video. I show a video in class about one thing (kumbucha, for instance) and suddenly, it’s about to play another video about Baboon mating habits.

That could go downhill fast.

8 Charles Johnson  Apr 22, 2015 5:24:28pm

re: #6 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

ESPN has always been bad. Now, YouTube has the damn autoplay next rec’d video. I show a video in class about one thing (kumbucha, for instance) and suddenly, it’s about to play another video about Baboon mating habits.

You can turn that off - look at the top of the right column next to the video. There’s a switch to turn it off, and your browser will remember the setting.

9 Varek Raith  Apr 22, 2015 5:24:30pm

re: #6 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

ESPN has always been bad. Now, YouTube has the damn autoplay next rec’d video. I show a video in class about one thing (kumbucha, for instance) and suddenly, it’s about to play another video about Baboon mating habits.

Yeah, youtube.
:/

10 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 22, 2015 5:24:34pm

re: #6 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

ESPN has always been bad. Now, YouTube has the damn autoplay next rec’d video. I show a video in class about one thing (kumbucha, for instance) and suddenly, it’s about to play another video about Baboon mating habits.

I would really like to kill the autoplay next video thing on YouTube with fire.

11 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 22, 2015 5:25:07pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

You can turn that off - look at the top of the right column next to the video. There’s a switch to turn it off, and your browser will remember the setting.

Maybe sometimes. Not always.

In the meantime, KILL IT WITH FIRE.

12 Varek Raith  Apr 22, 2015 5:26:34pm

re: #11 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Maybe sometimes. Not always.

In the meantime, KILL IT WITH FIRE.

I really wished youtube would auto volume level all vids.
Sometimes a vid is too quite then, BAM! Blown eardrums.

13 Eigth Immortal  Apr 22, 2015 5:27:41pm

It hasn’t been secret for a while now. The details of the TPP are in Senate Bill 1900.

Spandan Chakrabarti over on The People’s View did a long, detailed analysis of S. 1900.

14 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 22, 2015 5:27:45pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

You can turn that off - look at the top of the right column next to the video. There’s a switch to turn it off, and your browser will remember the setting.

Yeah. The computer resets every time it’s logged out (instructor computers and security, natch) and sometimes I forget to switch that off, since it’s a new thing they sprung on us.

15 freetoken  Apr 22, 2015 5:28:13pm

This issue highlights, once again, that fundamental issues of politics are not about parties but based on deeper feelings, usually about security or insecurity, in this case about jobs and such.

16 Charles Johnson  Apr 22, 2015 5:29:03pm

re: #11 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Maybe sometimes. Not always.

In the meantime, KILL IT WITH FIRE.

Some videos are part of a playlist, and that’s a different thing - the next video in the playlist will automatically start playing, and I don’t think there’s a setting to permanently disable that. If a video’s in a playlist, there’s a frame at the top of the right column that shows the other videos in the list.

17 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 22, 2015 5:29:45pm

re: #12 Varek Raith

I really wished youtube would auto volume level all vids.
Sometimes a vid is too quite then, BAM! Blown eardrums.

Oh, FSM, yes. It’s also weird in the opposite direction, where you hear a loud video and you’ve adjusted the volume accordingly, and next thing you know, you can’t hear a thing because the audio levels are too low.

Also, on a related subject, do the networks think they’re fooling anyone by increasing the volume on the commercials in the middle of their programs? I’m surprised a TV manufacturer hasn’t come up with a software fix for this bullshit.

18 patrick II  Apr 22, 2015 5:30:21pm

We can’t tell whether President Obama or Senator Warren is right about the TPP, because the agreement is being kept secret. In that, Warren is correct, we live in what should be an informed democracy and secret deals made with only large corporations at the table should be dumped.

19 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 22, 2015 5:30:49pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

Some videos are part of a playlist, and that’s a different thing - the next video in the playlist will automatically start playing, and I don’t think there’s a setting to permanently disable that. If a video’s in a playlist, there’s a frame at the top of the right column that shows the other videos in the list.

Yeah, this isn’t playlist, it’s when I select a specific video. I get the switch, but it’s still annoying to have to proactively request not to be bombarded with random YouTube bullshit.

20 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2015 5:31:05pm
21 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 22, 2015 5:31:30pm

re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth

Aww.

22 Varek Raith  Apr 22, 2015 5:33:40pm

Well, then, the details of this agreement should be made public before it is passed so that we may see if it is any good for America and not some companies.
Until then, I’m skeptical.

23 Charles Johnson  Apr 22, 2015 5:34:09pm

Unreal. Glenn Greenwald is now defending mass murderer Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.

24 Eigth Immortal  Apr 22, 2015 5:36:07pm

re: #22 Varek Raith

It is. Senate Bill S.1900

25 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 22, 2015 5:37:44pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

Unreal. Glenn Greenwald is now defending mass murderer Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.

With GG, nothing is “unreal.”

26 BillinGlendaleCA  Apr 22, 2015 5:43:34pm

re: #22 Varek Raith

Generally negotiations are not done in public, the parties negotiate a deal and then it’s open to public discussion.

27 b.d.  Apr 22, 2015 5:43:45pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

Unreal. Glenn Greenwald is now defending mass murderer Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev would be a free man today if it weren’t for the intrusive Big Brother surveillance state recording, without a warrant, the movements on the streets that day

28 Varek Raith  Apr 22, 2015 5:46:04pm

re: #26 BillinGlendaleCA

Generally negotiations are not done in public, the parties negotiate a deal and then it’s open to public discussion.

It really sounds like NAFTA all over again.
We are being assured it’ll be fine when it, in fact, isn’t.
Sigh.

29 Great White Snark  Apr 22, 2015 5:49:55pm

Well I disagreed with president Obama downstairs and now I’m on his side. do the deal. Elizabeth and others can help ensure the worst scenarios about manufacturing and unions are dealt with.

30 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 22, 2015 5:50:09pm

The usual suspects are going apeshit over the Pentagon’s “Jade Helm” exercise, which will send military units into various real towns in an exercise of civil affairs capability and small unit mobility.

In response, I have thrown some gasoline on the fire with this communique:

Subject: Update, “Jade Helm” H-Hour dispositions.
From: Supreme Global Headquarters and Conspiracy Compound
To: All Texas operatives
The “Visitors” are still offering the new velcro formula and they have thrown in half a million of the individual invisibility units, so there will be plenty left once DHS and NSA take their share and everybody will get one. In return they have increased their order slightly, to 6 million head of ignoramus conspiracy dupe and 1 million of gullible yuppie, on the hoof, to be delivered to our processing facility under the Denver airport and prepared for shipment to the Home World. Our black helicopter squadrons will leave their bases as soon as the chemtrail units have finished spraying the targeted trailer parks and suburbs with the amnesia gas we got in return for all the hippies we rounded up two years ago. I know this is an extra effort and at short notice, but there will be fat bonuses for everyone if it all goes smoothly.

PS I would like to thank Alex Jones and our other media assets for the hard work they have done in helping us to identify suitable subjects.

31 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2015 5:50:10pm

Off to sleep in hopes of waking up pre-dawn for the meteorite shower.
(And there is a frost advisory: low temp is forecast to be 36F…yikes!)

laters…

32 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 22, 2015 5:50:40pm
Hey Glenn, this is for you.
33 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 22, 2015 5:50:53pm

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

Off to sleep in hopes of waking up pre-dawn for the meteorite shower.
(And there is a frost advisory: low temp is forecast to be 36F…yikes!)

laters…

#*&%)#*)$ pre-dawn wakeups.

Mine is for a plane. :(

34 b.d.  Apr 22, 2015 5:51:24pm

re: #28 Varek Raith

It really sounds like NAFTA all over again.
We are being assured it’ll be fine when it, in fact, isn’t.
Sigh.

Too early to tell. It is secret so every Senator Cruz and Representative Gohmert out there doesn’t latch on to certain things to get quashed because no negotiations can happen when you have 536 people negotiating for the USA.

For Fast Track Congress still has to vote on it, they just can’t change it which is only fair to the people who brokered the deal.

35 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 22, 2015 5:51:38pm

re: #33 klys (maker of Silmarils)

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

Why can’t they have meteor showers at more convenient hours?! ////

36 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 22, 2015 5:52:42pm

re: #35 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Why can’t they have meteor showers at more convenient hours?! ////

Why can’t they have flights to the east coast at more reasonable hours????

Oh right, because we want to get there in time to do dinner with 10+ family members from his side, the majority of whom I haven’t met before.

37 BillinGlendaleCA  Apr 22, 2015 5:54:00pm

re: #36 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Could be worse, like meeting the family members for the first time and not being able speak their language.

38 A Cranky One  Apr 22, 2015 5:54:52pm

re: #33 klys (maker of Silmarils)

#*&%)#*)$ pre-dawn wakeups.

Mine is for a plane. :(

But think of all the fun after you get there. ;)

39 Charles Johnson  Apr 22, 2015 5:56:19pm

And the thing is, if you try to call out Greenwald on supporting Tsarnaev, he’ll come up with a legalistic nit-picking argument to demonstrate why he didn’t actually mean to support Tsarnaev, because he’s a coward who doesn’t have the courage of his convictions.

40 Charles Johnson  Apr 22, 2015 5:56:59pm
41 Charles Johnson  Apr 22, 2015 5:57:52pm

Wow. Twitter has changed the design of embedded tweets. For no reason, as usual.

42 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 22, 2015 5:58:34pm

re: #37 BillinGlendaleCA

Could be worse, like meeting the family members for the first time and not being able speak their language.

True.

Although they’re from GA.

>.>

43 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 22, 2015 6:00:00pm

All Marvel Posters are the same….

44 BillinGlendaleCA  Apr 22, 2015 6:00:15pm

Point taken, you might have the same problem.

In my case it was after a 10 or 12 hour flight and they were speaking Korean.

Why yes, I do have a “Hot Asian Wife”.

45 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 22, 2015 6:02:12pm

re: #44 BillinGlendaleCA

Point taken, you might have the same problem.

In my case it was after a 10 or 12 hour flight and they were speaking Korean.

Why yes, I do have a “Hot Asian Wife”.

My second wife was full Cajun, and when I met her family they would switch to Cajun, talk back and forth, look at me and laugh. Yea, that was odd.

RBS

46 Timothy Watson  Apr 22, 2015 6:04:02pm

re: #43 RealityBasedSteve

All Marvel Posters are the same….

Embedded Image

If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it?

47 Charles Johnson  Apr 22, 2015 6:05:16pm

re: #43 RealityBasedSteve

They’re shiny.

48 Charles Johnson  Apr 22, 2015 6:05:39pm
49 BillinGlendaleCA  Apr 22, 2015 6:06:20pm

re: #45 RealityBasedSteve

The pointing and laughing was the worst. I did eventually take a year of Korean so I’d have some idea what was going on.

50 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 22, 2015 6:06:34pm

re: #43 RealityBasedSteve

All Marvel Posters are the same….

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How so? The cool color palette? The iconic stances? Some of those are reminiscent of the Star Wars posters.

51 Varek Raith  Apr 22, 2015 6:08:54pm

re: #49 BillinGlendaleCA

The pointing and laughing was the worst. I did eventually take a year of Korean so I’d have some idea what was going on.

That’s always fun. In my case, it was Spanish.
Heh, sure surprised them!
:)

52 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 22, 2015 6:11:52pm

I will leave these links about the TPP here for folks to peruse.

I personally think there’s not enough information out there yet for me to freak out, so. I’m gonna refrain from doing so.

Actually I’m trying pretty hard to reduce the amount of freaking out that I do about politics in general, although the thought of the GOP selecting the next several justices for the SC comes close to triggering that no matter what I do. Sigh.

53 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 22, 2015 6:13:17pm

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY, EVENING EDITION==>

54 A Cranky One  Apr 22, 2015 6:18:55pm

re: #53 Lord Of The Pies

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY, EVENING EDITION==>

[Embedded content]

Gee, I Still Don’t Know How My Reproductive System Can Be 100% Their Business AND 0% Their Financial Responsibility.

Edit: rewrite of the tweet was clumsy.

55 Charles Johnson  Apr 22, 2015 6:19:14pm

re: #52 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Liberals need to freak out a LOT less about what Obama does and a LOT MORE about what the Republicans are doing. People don’t seem to realize that the right wing is in overdrive, in every state in the US. And in too many places they’re succeeding in promoting a horrible regressive religious fanatic agenda.

56 prairiefire  Apr 22, 2015 6:20:39pm

re: #45 RealityBasedSteve

My second wife was full Cajun, and when I met her family they would switch to Cajun, talk back and forth, look at me and laugh. Yea, that was odd.

RBS

Did you ever throw a hatchet at a bullseye target, or a beer can?

57 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 22, 2015 6:21:06pm

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY, PART 2, EVENING EDITION==>
NONE OF THESE THINGS ARE PERSONS

58 Varek Raith  Apr 22, 2015 6:21:16pm

re: #52 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I will leave these links about the TPP here for folks to peruse.

I personally think there’s not enough information out there yet for me to freak out, so. I’m gonna refrain from doing so.

Actually I’m trying pretty hard to reduce the amount of freaking out that I do about politics in general, although the thought of the GOP selecting the next several justices for the SC comes close to triggering that no matter what I do. Sigh.

59 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 22, 2015 6:21:41pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

Pretty much.

Would be why I prefer it here instead of someplace that doesn’t get this.

60 ObserverArt  Apr 22, 2015 6:21:59pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

Liberals need to freak out a LOT less about what Obama does and a LOT MORE about what the Republicans are doing. People don’t seem to realize that the right wing is in overdrive, in every state in the US. And in too many places they’re succeeding in promoting a horrible regressive religious fanatic agenda.

AMEN!!!

/

61 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 22, 2015 6:22:26pm

re: #53 Lord Of The Pies

He’s half right: my reproductive system is 0% his business.

62 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 22, 2015 6:24:30pm

re: #61 klys (maker of Silmarils)

He’s half right: my reproductive system is 0% his business.

It’s not 100% of his financial responsibility either. Duh.

63 BillinGlendaleCA  Apr 22, 2015 6:26:15pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

I agree. There are some liberals that are against any trade deal.

64 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 22, 2015 6:27:01pm

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY, RUNNER-UP EVENING EDITION==>
Srsly “Patriots” stop your colonial dudes worship. What if the Colonials lost?
WE WOULD ALL BE CANADIANS

65 lawhawk  Apr 22, 2015 6:27:44pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

There’s a bunch of vaccines under development that can prevent cancers.

There’s even a vaccine currently on the market that prevents certain cervical cancers and other related cancers caused by strains of HPV. There’s another vaccine that can prevent certain liver cancers.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved two types of vaccines to prevent cancer: vaccines against the hepatitis B virus, which can cause liver cancer, and vaccines against human papillomavirus types 16 and 18, which are responsible for about 70 percent of cervical cancer cases.<.blockquote>

Yet you’ve got idiots who think that the vaccinations are a bad thing. Or cause promiscuity.

A jab for even a few hundred bucks to prevent cancer? People who HAVE cancer would pay anything for something that would have prevented it.

Because anyone who has cancer or knows someone who does knows the costs - both physical and monetary. It’s huge.

66 austin_blue  Apr 22, 2015 6:28:17pm

re: #57 Lord Of The Pies

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY, PART 2, EVENING EDITION==>
NONE OF THESE THINGS ARE PERSONS

[Embedded content]

We’ve got a pretty good definition of human death, which allows us to harvest organs for donation without being vivisectionists. Over the years, it seems to have passed pretty much everyone’s moral and ick test.

Why can’t we logically apply the same standard to human life? No functioning forebrain, no human.

67 Single-handed sailor  Apr 22, 2015 6:32:45pm
68 ObserverArt  Apr 22, 2015 6:34:53pm

I’d like to live in an ideal world. But, I know the worst thing that can happen right now is for too many people to beg off the next big election and say “well I don’t like Hillary and I wish there was someone younger” and then stay home.

If you don’t like Hillary, then give our entire government over to this current version of GOP politicians and then you will be able to forget all about Hillary. You’ll be real busy bitching about a whole hell of a lot.

I’ll take bitching about Hillary, every time, given this circumstance, time and selections.

And with that…later lizard types. I got some sketchin’ to do.

69 teleskiguy  Apr 22, 2015 6:35:48pm
70 lawhawk  Apr 22, 2015 6:36:40pm

re: #69 teleskiguy

The right wing will ignore all that even after Lake Tahoe becomes Pond Tahoe.

71 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 22, 2015 6:38:37pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

Liberals need to freak out a LOT less about what Obama does and a LOT MORE about what the Republicans are doing. People don’t seem to realize that the right wing is in overdrive, in every state in the US. And in too many places they’re succeeding in promoting a horrible regressive religious fanatic agenda.

So to stop them on social issues we have to surrender on economic issues? This bill would gut workers rights by levels that make NAFTA look like it was good for America. It’s about tying intellectual property rights up in the giant companies. It’s about keeping wages stagnant. It’s about being able to destroy what little remains of the trade union movement. It’s about making our food safely laws irrelevant. It’s about destroying our ability to protect the environment at home much less abroad. This is a Republican wet dream and the best Republican president since Ike is leading the way on it.

This IS the Republican agenda but with out the Theocratic buzzwords.

72 Great White Snark  Apr 22, 2015 6:39:00pm

re: #70 lawhawk

The right wing will ignore all that even after Lake Tahoe becomes Pond Tahoe.

I harbor more worry about the water we can not see that we have used up. The aquifers and spring waters. The ground drops and drops. But those waters feed millions via California agriculture. Hello food inflation.

73 Mattand  Apr 22, 2015 6:41:52pm

re: #68 ObserverArt

I’d like to live in an ideal world. But, I know the worst thing that can happen right now is for too many people to beg off the next big election and say “well I don’t like Hillary and I wish there was someone younger” and then stay home.

If you don’t like Hillary, then give our entire government over to this current version of GOP politicians and then you will be able to forget all about Hillary. You’ll be real busy bitching about a whole hell of a lot.

I’ll take bitching about Hillary, every time, given this circumstance, time and selections.

And with that…later lizard types. I got some sketchin’ to do.

Currently watching Rachel Maddow. She started the show covering some of the 19 (nineteen!!!!!) passengers of the GOP Krazy Klown Kar, and their various ideas of what functional government is.

I know it’s Maddow, and she has a certain viewpoint, blah blah blah, but Jesus; these fucking people are insane.

What’s sad is that 2016 will be a lot close than it should be, and that Americans thinking a President Walker or another President Bush is great idea is a real possiblilty.

74 Targetpractice  Apr 22, 2015 6:42:08pm

re: #57 Lord Of The Pies

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY, PART 2, EVENING EDITION==>
NONE OF THESE THINGS ARE PERSONS

[Embedded content]

Yes, we were all embryos once. But not every embryo makes it. In fact, the vast majority do not. How one squares that with a belief that every embryo is a unique and individual person from the moment of conception, I have no clue.

75 blueraven  Apr 22, 2015 6:44:20pm

re: #24 Eigth Immortal

It is. Senate Bill S.1900

I dont think that is true.

Senate bill 1900 appears to be from a few years back and it is about the President’s authority to negotiate trade deals, not the trade deal specifics.

My understanding is once the negotiation is done Congress gets an up or down approval vote…no amendments, within a three month time frame.

77 A Cranky One  Apr 22, 2015 6:50:30pm

I Am Cranky.

78 Targetpractice  Apr 22, 2015 6:55:28pm

re: #76 Varek Raith

ThinkProgress Report: Schweizer Admits He Cannot Prove Allegations In Clinton Cash

I think we’ve all followed this sort of shit enough times to know that the accusations will get front page attention, with the eventual retractions/mea culpas being relegated to Page A12.

79 b_sharp  Apr 22, 2015 6:59:22pm

re: #64 Lord Of The Pies

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY, RUNNER-UP EVENING EDITION==>
Srsly “Patriots” stop your colonial dudes worship. What if the Colonials lost?
WE WOULD ALL BE CANADIANS

[Embedded content]

Not that there’s anything wrong with that…

80 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 22, 2015 6:59:52pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

Liberals need to freak out a LOT less about what Obama does and a LOT MORE about what the Republicans are doing. People don’t seem to realize that the right wing is in overdrive, in every state in the US. And in too many places they’re succeeding in promoting a horrible regressive religious fanatic agenda.

Obama doesn’t get a free pass on what looks to be an awful treaty because the right is composed of assholes. This treaty is a shit sandwich for workers here and overseas.

81 blueraven  Apr 22, 2015 7:00:23pm

‘tis true.

82 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 22, 2015 7:01:02pm

re: #79 b_sharp

Not that there’s anything wrong with that…

#IfAmericansLostTheRevolution Slavery would have ended 30 years earlier, without a horrific war

83 b_sharp  Apr 22, 2015 7:01:28pm

Well. Looks like CSI Cyber is on, so it’s time for me to be somewhere away from the TV.

Now abandoning my comfy chair and laptop.

84 blueraven  Apr 22, 2015 7:01:31pm

re: #80 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Obama doesn’t get a free pass on what looks to be an awful treaty because the right is composed of assholes. This treaty is a shit sandwich for workers here and overseas.

What is in the treaty?

85 Timothy Watson  Apr 22, 2015 7:01:42pm

re: #81 blueraven

‘tis true.

[Embedded content]

Another reason to never live in Texas?

86 calochortus  Apr 22, 2015 7:02:23pm

re: #81 blueraven

I’ll take the bats over those thunderstorms.

87 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 22, 2015 7:03:25pm

re: #81 blueraven

‘tis true.

[Embedded content]

This is hardly a new phenomenon. The bats under bridges in Austin provide similar radar effects.

88 A Cranky One  Apr 22, 2015 7:03:30pm

re: #85 Timothy Watson

Another reason to never live in Texas?

It takes a lot of bat shit to make that many people bat shit crazy!

///

89 blueraven  Apr 22, 2015 7:04:00pm

re: #85 Timothy Watson

Another reason to never live in Texas?

I live here and it is awesome to see the bats come out in Austin!

90 #FergusonFireside  Apr 22, 2015 7:06:13pm

re: #36 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Why can’t they have flights to the east coast at more reasonable hours????

Oh right, because we want to get there in time to do dinner with 10+ family members from his side, the majority of whom I haven’t met before.

It will be fine. Just be your normal friendly self.

91 Varek Raith  Apr 22, 2015 7:06:32pm

re: #79 b_sharp

Not that there’s anything wrong with that…

Yes.
Yes there is.
/

92 austin_blue  Apr 22, 2015 7:06:52pm

re: #72 Great White Snark

I harbor more worry about the water we can not see that we have used up. The aquifers and spring waters. The ground drops and drops. But those waters feed millions via California agriculture. Hello food inflation.

After WW2, cotton farming moved from east and central Texas to the Llano Estacado around Lubbock because of the Ogallala Aquifer and the fact that boll weevils couldn’t live there. It began the dry land farming cycle of treating the aquifer as an extractive asset.

My friend Monty Newton’s dad came back from the war and irrigated his 1,560 acres using a surplus Allison V-12 Mustang engine as a pump.

This was typical. The aquifer has been drawn down by well over a hundred feet in many areas, and as the level of water drops, the Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) in the remaining water (nitrates, phosphates, and sulfates) increases. This stresses the surface soils, because as the TDS increases, the poorer irrigation water evaporates and the minerals bleach out as salts. Over time, what was once great agricultural land turns into Carthage after the Romans exacted their revenge.

So you are quite correct to be worried about the water you can’t see. It’s quality decreases as it is mined. It kills farms.

Old Texas idiom:

Whiskey’s for drinkin’, water’s for fightin’.

This is the new paradigm for the American west.

93 Great White Snark  Apr 22, 2015 7:08:49pm

re: #92 austin_blue

V-12?
Best sounding farm ever…

94 #FergusonFireside  Apr 22, 2015 7:11:49pm

Any Portland Oregon Lizards?

95 austin_blue  Apr 22, 2015 7:12:40pm

re: #93 Great White Snark

V-12?
Best sounding farm ever…

I know, can you imagine one of those screaming meemies every square mile? Granted, they didn’t run anywhere near all the time, but damn, the snarl of those things would shake the earth.

96 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 22, 2015 7:14:11pm

re: #82 Lord Of The Pies

#IfAmericansLostTheRevolution Slavery would have ended 30 years earlier, without a horrific war

There would have been another war with the home Government in around 1812~20 as well because it was official policy to try and bottle the colonists up east of the Appalachians. They weren’t going to stop moving west and fighting to throw the Native Americans off the land. The Crown would have either had to acquiesce leading to something not much different than modern North America (just with official slavery ending sooner) or fought to protect the tribes between the mountains and the Mississippi. And don’t forget that west of the Mississippi would be New France and Nappy wouldn’t not happen just because a few colonists got hanged in the 1770’s.

97 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 22, 2015 7:17:10pm

re: #96 William Barnett-Lewis

There would have been another war with the home Government in around 1812~20 as well because it was official policy to try and bottle the colonists up east of the Appalachians. They weren’t going to stop moving west and fighting to throw the Native Americans off the land. The Crown would have either had to acquiesce leading to something not much different than modern North America (just with official slavery ending sooner) or fought to protect the tribes between the mountains and the Mississippi. And don’t forget that west of the Mississippi would be New France and Nappy wouldn’t not happen just because a few colonists got hanged in the 1770’s.

#IfAmericansLostTheRevolution would there have been a French Revolution? Probably, yeah, anyway. There was a Second French Revolution in the 1830’s that nobody would even know about if it wasn’t for Les Miserables.

98 thecommodore  Apr 22, 2015 7:26:22pm

WELL HE’S STILL AN UNMITIGATED SOCIALIST!!! HE’S TAKING AMERICA DOWN BRICK BY BRICK BECAUSE HE HATES THIS NATION HE’S A TREASONOUS TRAITOR! !!!!!!!!!

99 Mattand  Apr 22, 2015 7:28:52pm

re: #76 Varek Raith

ThinkProgress Report: Schweizer Admits He Cannot Prove Allegations In Clinton Cash

I keep hoping that the NYT is secretly trolling Schweizer, and is about to publish an expose of what a liar he is.

Then again, the NYT went to Schweizer as a legitimate news source. It’s like saying you have proof that Obama is weak on immigration, because the crazy homeless guy on the corner claims he was abducted by aliens.

100 austin_blue  Apr 22, 2015 7:32:08pm

I’m going off topic two posts early. Read this in the NYT today and was wondering what other Lizards thought:

nytimes.com

He wasn’t really a guard, he was a bookkeeper (the only English word with three different double letters in sequence). Does he deserve this prosecution?

I can spin it both ways, but I’m interested in what others think. Is a 20-year old conscript the same as Himmler?

101 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 22, 2015 7:39:37pm

re: #100 austin_blue

I’m going off topic two posts early. Read this in the NYT today and was wondering what other Lizards thought:

nytimes.com

He wasn’t really a guard, he was a bookkeeper (the only English word with three different double letters in sequence). Does he deserve this prosecution?

I can spin it both ways, but I’m interested in what others think. Is a 20-year old conscript the same as Himmler?

I think he made a useful statement when he admitted moral guilt but then asked if that was the same as criminal guilt. The German nation, as a whole, has tended to admit that it was morally wrong - unlike some other nations that have been discussed today - yet his criminal guilt? He starts off as a conscript with little choice but then volunteers for the SS. From ideology or propaganda? Once joined there is even less choice left than he would have had in the Wehrmacht. The final question to be answered then is if simply joining the SS - with or without a full understanding of what that entailed - was a criminal act in and of itself.

I am glad to not be on that court.

102 calochortus  Apr 22, 2015 7:39:50pm

re: #100 austin_blue

I think it is a very, very difficult question. There can be no doubt that young people get themselves into situations that they can’t get out of, and as you say, there is apparently no evidence that he was an active participant in killing.
I think a trial is appropriate, but I would not want to be on the jury.

103 austin_blue  Apr 22, 2015 7:44:01pm

re: #101 William Barnett-Lewis

I think he made a useful statement when he admitted moral guilt but then asked if that was the same as criminal guilt. The German nation, as a whole, has tended to admit that it was morally wrong - unlike some other nations that have been discussed today - yet his criminal guilt? He starts off as a conscript with little choice but then volunteers for the SS. From ideology or propaganda? Once joined there is even less choice left than he would have had in the Wehrmacht. The final question to be answered then is if simply joining the SS - with or without a full understanding of what that entailed - was a criminal act in and of itself.

I am glad to not be on that court.

My feeling exactly. How does one parse “criminal guilt” in such a situation? It’s a bitch kitty.

104 Kragar  Apr 22, 2015 7:44:37pm
105 Targetpractice  Apr 22, 2015 7:45:31pm

re: #104 Kragar

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Damnit, did I forget to take my tricorn hat off again?

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106 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 22, 2015 7:47:56pm

re: #103 austin_blue

My feeling exactly. How does one parse “criminal guilt” in such a situation? It’s a bitch kitty.

Reading the article, it would appear he’s in this court room because he spoke out against a holocaust denier using his personal experience as proof. There is a deep level of irony there.

107 austin_blue  Apr 22, 2015 7:48:20pm

re: #104 Kragar

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TPs, union activists, enviros. Strange bedfellows.

Danger is the watchword and the danger is in the details.

108 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 22, 2015 7:52:21pm

A historian with a nitpick about the Netflix Daredevil series:

aelarsen.wordpress.com

109 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 22, 2015 7:52:36pm

re: #94 #FergusonFireside

Did you see this comment, #FF?
littlegreenfootballs.com

110 Kragar  Apr 22, 2015 7:53:26pm

re: #105 Targetpractice

Damnit, did I forget to take my tricorn hat off again?

//

Objections are fine.

Saying it was better to have no deal and getting nothing done rather than make a deal which does have some benefits and drawbacks is silly.

111 Targetpractice  Apr 22, 2015 7:57:13pm

re: #110 Kragar

Objections are fine.

Saying it was better to have no deal and getting nothing done rather than make a deal which does have some benefits and drawbacks is silly.

I’m presently of the opinion that both sides have a point, that we should see the deal in full before Congress is expected to vote upon it, but “all-or-nothing” is not the way forward.

112 #FergusonFireside  Apr 22, 2015 7:58:31pm

re: #109 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Did you see this comment, #FF?
littlegreenfootballs.com

NO! thank you for reposting. 53 minutes. I will watch when I retire tonight.

Thanks so much.

113 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 22, 2015 7:59:51pm

re: #112 #FergusonFireside

NO! thank you for reposting. 53 minutes. I will watch when I retire tonight.

Thanks so much.

It’s infuriating, just so you’re warned.

114 Kragar  Apr 22, 2015 8:00:28pm

re: #111 Targetpractice

I’m presently of the opinion that both sides have a point, that we should see the deal in full before Congress is expected to vote upon it, but “all-or-nothing” is not the way forward.

Diplomacy and Government is based on compromise.

I get enough of the “NO DEAL!” BS when the GOP threatens to shut down the government every time they try to bully Congress into getting their way.

115 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 22, 2015 8:00:47pm

re: #111 Targetpractice

I want some guarantees by the Asian countries that they will have labor protections, or else, the deal is shit. Full stop.

116 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 22, 2015 8:02:00pm

re: #114 Kragar

Diplomacy and Government is based on compromise.

I get enough of the “NO DEAL!” BS when the GOP threatens to shut down the government every time they try to bully Congress into getting their way.

That’s the key word. If the other trade parties aren’t “compromising” on legitimate grounds, then it’s fuck-all to do with “negotiations.”

117 Charles Johnson  Apr 22, 2015 8:03:14pm

re: #80 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Obama doesn’t get a free pass on what looks to be an awful treaty because the right is composed of assholes. This treaty is a shit sandwich for workers here and overseas.

Not saying he should get a free pass, but I think people are over-reacting to the TPP and I’m not sure why. On every issue since he was elected, Obama has demonstrated he’ll do the right thing to advance progressive causes, and I don’t know why people suddenly seem to think he’s going to betray them. I don’t think he will.

If I’m wrong I’ll be the first to admit it, but the reaction to the TPP seems totally out of whack to me.

118 #FergusonFireside  Apr 22, 2015 8:03:21pm

re: #113 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

It’s infuriating, just so you’re warned.

Every fucking day is infuriating.

Silence = compliance

119 Belafon  Apr 22, 2015 8:06:29pm

I say we require Obama to show the negotiations for both the TPP and Iran right now. Let everyone in on both of them. Or do you just get to pick which one you like the least?

120 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 22, 2015 8:07:07pm

re: #118 #FergusonFireside

Every fucking day is infuriating.

Silence = compliance

Not saying it isn’t. But putting faces to the complaints in the DOJ report is just … wow.

121 Targetpractice  Apr 22, 2015 8:08:08pm

re: #117 Charles Johnson

Not saying he should get a free pass, but I think people are over-reacting to the TPP and I’m not sure why. On every issue since he was elected, Obama has demonstrated he’ll do the right thing to advance progressive causes, and I don’t know why people suddenly seem to think he’s going to betray them. I don’t think he will.

If I’m wrong I’ll be the first to admit it, but the reaction to the TPP seems totally out of whack to me.

I think it has to do with this nation having a history in recent decades of getting shafted on trade deals. One thing we have to bear in mind is that, on the chance that a Republican does win next year, it will be they who will oversee the implementation of this trade deal. And we know whose side of the workers/corporations line they are firmly on.

122 austin_blue  Apr 22, 2015 8:09:24pm

re: #106 William Barnett-Lewis

Reading the article, it would appear he’s in this court room because he spoke out against a holocaust denier using his personal experience as proof. There is a deep level of irony there.

Deep irony, indeed. On the one hand, he slapped down an idiot by being a witness to what he saw. Good!

On the other hand, he was working in the admin building adjacent to a death camp wearing lightning bolts on his collar tabs, a Death’s Head on his cap, and totting up the amount of gold recovered out of corpses’ teeth. That would be bad.

Finally, he’s a 93 year old man with a walker. His crimes, if they were crimes, are seventy years old.

I don’t have any idea what I would say during Voir Dire for that trial. I would probably say that he wouldn’t be indicted if he wasn’t guilty so I could get booted off in ten seconds. I’d want no part of it.

Cowardly? Maybe.

But some decisions may be beyond human judgement. This may be one.

I’m torn.

123 Charles Johnson  Apr 22, 2015 8:09:58pm
124 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 22, 2015 8:11:30pm

re: #123 Charles Johnson

Carly for President!

Demon Sheep!
125 Kragar  Apr 22, 2015 8:11:36pm

re: #123 Charles Johnson

126 austin_blue  Apr 22, 2015 8:13:12pm

re: #119 Belafon

I say we require Obama to show the negotiations for both the TPP and Iran right now. Let everyone in on both of them. Or do you just get to pick which one you like the least?

The problem with that is that the Executive, constitutionally, has the right to make treaties which are then approved by the Senate, or not.

That’s the law. Those are the rules. Full stop.

127 Lancelot Link  Apr 22, 2015 8:15:24pm

I would rather have a trade agreement negotiated by Obama than by anyone currently running to be the next president.

128 Targetpractice  Apr 22, 2015 8:17:30pm

The thing that puts me off about TPP is that the GOP seems to be in agreement with it. Considering how hard they fought the ACA, and how much of a fuss they’ve made over the Iran deal, anything this major that doesn’t have the GOP howling in frustration is cause for concern.

129 freetoken  Apr 22, 2015 8:18:43pm

re: #128 Targetpractice

The GOP money men - yes. The PaleoPat-ish base - not so much.

130 De Kolta Chair  Apr 22, 2015 8:18:46pm
Apropos of you know nothing Jon Snow, I’m reading “A Dance with Dragons” and seriously dude I did not see that coming. (No spoiler alerts were harmed during the posting of this comment, just read the book cuz it may take the show three or four seasons to get to that mindblowing reveal, unless they just decide not to do it, which wouldn’t surprise me one bit, but anyway if you haven’t read the book I know something you don’t know nyah nyah)
131 Targetpractice  Apr 22, 2015 8:21:01pm

re: #129 freetoken

The GOP money men - yes. The PaleoPat-ish base - not so much.

Yeah, that’s what’s got me. When the guys on Capital Hill are in agreement that what’s going on is good, and the party bases that normally are at each others throat are equally uneasy about this deal, it can only means one of two things: Either this is gonna be a most excellent deal…or we’re about to get royally screwed.

132 Charles Johnson  Apr 22, 2015 8:22:55pm
133 freetoken  Apr 22, 2015 8:24:35pm

PaleoPat sez:

Obama’s Republican Collaborators

This week, Congress takes up legislation to cede His Majesty full authority to negotiate the largest trade deal in history, the 12-nation Trans-Pacific Partnership, and to surrender Congress’ right to amend any TPP that Obama might bring home.

Why the capitulation? Why would Republicans line up to kiss the royal ring? Is Middle America clamoring for “fast track”? Are blue-collar workers marching in the streets to have Congress grant “Trade Promotion Authority Now!” to Barack Obama?

[…]

134 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 22, 2015 8:26:33pm

I need this gif now.

135 Belafon  Apr 22, 2015 8:26:50pm

re: #126 austin_blue

The problem with that is that the Executive, constitutionally, has the right to make treaties which are then approved by the Senate, or not.

That’s the law. Those are the rules. Full stop.

I know. But I hear people complaining about this being negotiated in secret on the same sites that I hear people defending Obama’s negotiations with Iran being done in secret. Hence, the last sentence.

136 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 22, 2015 8:27:25pm
137 austin_blue  Apr 22, 2015 8:27:51pm

re: #128 Targetpractice

The thing that puts me off about TPP is that the GOP seems to be in agreement with it. Considering how hard they fought the ACA, and how much of a fuss they’ve made over the Iran deal, anything this major that doesn’t have the GOP howling in frustration is cause for concern.

/Concern troll on/

I’m concerned when liberals (such as myself) believe that if the GOP agrees with something that the President supports, that it means that the President is being completely stupid, a real fucking moron, discarding Liberal ideals, and working for the other side.

/Concern troll off/

It’s Liberal Black Helicopter theology, and it’s rock dumb. Let’s not go there until we see the treaty language, OK?

138 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 22, 2015 8:27:53pm

Fuck, why aren’t gifs working half the time?

139 Belafon  Apr 22, 2015 8:29:06pm

re: #138 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Fuck, why aren’t gifs working half the time?

It probably has something to do with the TPP.

140 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 22, 2015 8:29:33pm

re: #137 austin_blue

/Concern troll on/

I’m concerned when liberals (such as myself) believe that if the GOP agrees with something that the President supports, that it means that the President is being completely stupid, a real fucking moron, discarding Liberal ideals, and working for the other side.

/Concern troll off/

It’s Liberal Black Helicopter theology, and it’s rock dumb. Let’s not go there until we see the treaty language, OK?

I have a real simple solution: Are there worker safeguards in the treaty? Equitable pay? Representation? OK, then. Otherwise, it’s another boondoggle.

141 Targetpractice  Apr 22, 2015 8:31:40pm

re: #137 austin_blue

/Concern troll on/

I’m concerned when liberals (such as myself) believe that if the GOP agrees with something that the President supports, that it means that the President is being completely stupid, a real fucking moron, discarding Liberal ideals, and working for the other side.

/Concern troll off/

It’s Liberal Black Helicopter theology, and it’s rock dumb. Let’s not go there until we see the treaty language, OK?

Hey now, there’s no need to insult me. I don’t suspect the President is selling us all out or that this is a grand conspiracy to screw us all over. But it’s been my experience that when the government and corporations are on the same page, bad things tend to outweigh the good.

142 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 22, 2015 8:31:50pm

Off to the hotel for the night. Later lizards!

143 austin_blue  Apr 22, 2015 8:32:14pm

re: #140 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I have a real simple solution: Are there worker safeguards in the treaty? Equitable pay? Representation? OK, then. Otherwise, it’s another boondoggle.

Exactly. Let’s wait until the treaty language is presented. It’s either there, or it isn’t.

Until we see it, all of this speculation is just a crap sandwich.

144 austin_blue  Apr 22, 2015 8:35:42pm

re: #141 Targetpractice

Hey now, there’s no need to insult me. I don’t suspect the President is selling us all out or that this is a grand conspiracy to screw us all over. But it’s been my experience that when the government and corporations are on the same page, bad things tend to outweigh the good.

I wasn’t insulting you and we are on the same side. I just think we all need to step back and take a breath. Griping about the potential good/bad of any trade agreement before the treaty language is released is pointless. The proof will be in the plain text of the treaty.

145 De Kolta Chair  Apr 22, 2015 8:36:08pm

re: #132 Charles Johnson

Aren’t Emo Philips and Uranus jokes synonymous?

146 Belafon  Apr 22, 2015 8:36:36pm

re: #143 austin_blue

The flip-side to fast track authority is Congress can decide - with the people’s help - that it’s good too many bad things, and since it can’t be amended, it can just be voted down.

147 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 22, 2015 8:36:51pm

re: #144 austin_blue

I wasn’t insulting you and we are on the same side. I just think we all need to step back and take a breath. Griping about the potential good/bad of any trade agreement before the treaty language is released is pointless. The proof will be in the plain text of the treaty.

And when the Chinese ignore the plain text of the treaty to do whatever they want.

148 Targetpractice  Apr 22, 2015 8:39:36pm

re: #144 austin_blue

I wasn’t insulting you and we are on the same side. I just think we all need to step back and take a breath. Griping about the potential good/bad of any trade agreement before the treaty language is released is pointless. The proof will be in the plain text of the treaty.

I’m a cynic by nature. I usually expect the worst, because that way when it doesn’t happen I can be pleasantly surprised.

149 austin_blue  Apr 22, 2015 8:41:33pm

re: #146 Belafon

The flip-side to fast track authority is Congress can decide - with the people’s help - that it’s good too many bad things, and since it can’t be amended, it can just be voted down.

re: #147 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

And when the Chinese ignore the plain text of the treaty to do whatever they want.

That’s it! I’m not serving you any more drinks!

150 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 22, 2015 8:42:34pm

re: #149 austin_blue

That’s it! I’m not serving you any more drinks!

Like we can’t get drinks anywhere else? ;)

151 freetoken  Apr 22, 2015 8:43:17pm

One of the slickest efforts at rebranding/wordsmithing the past couple of years is to replace “genetic engineering” with “editing DNA”.

Anyway, Carl Zimmer reports:

Editing Human Embryos: So This Happened

Earlier this week, Chinese researchers reported that they edited the genes of human embryos using a new technique called CRISPR. While these embryos will not being growing up into genetically modified people, I suspect this week will go down as a pivotal moment in the history of medicine. David Cyranoski and Sara Reardon broke the news today at Nature News. Here I’ve put together a quick guide to the history behind this research, what the Chinese scientists did, and what it may signify.

[…]

As I think someone noted up-thread, the embryo-is-a-person crowd will not take kindly to this, though it is pretty clear that an embryo is not really anything other than a cell.

The future is here now, and some large portion of the US population is in flight mode, being abetted by opportunistic con-men posing as political leaders.

152 Charles Johnson  Apr 22, 2015 8:44:10pm
153 De Kolta Chair  Apr 22, 2015 8:44:42pm
To paraphrase Mitt Romney, how do you say snow job in Nicaraguan?
154 freetoken  Apr 22, 2015 8:46:39pm
But meanwhile, a team of researchers led by Junju Huang at Sun Yat-sen University were testing out CRISPR on human embryos. Huang told Nature that both Nature and Science rejected the paper based on ethical objections. So they ended up publishing the results in the journal Protein Cell (open access, by the way).

The old guard will not change easily.

155 Single-handed sailor  Apr 22, 2015 8:48:29pm

re: #153 De Kolta Chair

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I remember my teacher talking about that plan in 1970.

156 austin_blue  Apr 22, 2015 8:49:02pm

re: #148 Targetpractice

I’m a cynic by nature. I usually expect the worst, because that way when it doesn’t happen I can be pleasantly surprised.

I agree that NAFTA had some galactic holes in it, but I would hope we learned from (and based on many other trade agreements it appears we have) it and will adjust how we deal with the TPP, once the treaty is presented.

I’m a cynic, also, and a snarky one, but when Obama’s team is leading the negotiations, I am more sanguine that he is not actively screwing the middle class.

Of course, I could also be a complete idiot and my world view is completely fucked due to the actual existence and influence of the Trilateral Commission and the Knights of the Templar.

157 freetoken  Apr 22, 2015 8:51:03pm
Just because this experiment came out poorly doesn’t mean that future experiments will. There’s nothing in this study that’s a conceptual deal-breaker for CRISPR. It’s worth recalling the early days of cloning research. Cloned embryos often failed to develop, and animals that were born successfully often ended up with serious health problems. Cloning is much better now, and it’s even getting to be a business in the world of livestock and pets. We still don’t clone people, though-not because we can’t, but because we choose not to. We may need to make the same choice about editing embryos before too long.

Or, we could just dump the last vestiges of creationism, accept that we are colonies of cells, and get on with it.

158 De Kolta Chair  Apr 22, 2015 8:51:21pm

re: #155 Single-handed sailor

I remember my teacher talking about that plan in 1970.

I remember Charles Ponzi talking about a similar plan in 1920. ;-)

On second thought, not a good analogy since signore Ponzi actually had investors.

159 Lancelot Link  Apr 22, 2015 8:52:11pm

re: #147 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

And when the Chinese ignore the plain text of the treaty to do whatever they want.

China is not a member of the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

160 Charles Johnson  Apr 22, 2015 8:53:10pm
161 austin_blue  Apr 22, 2015 8:53:28pm

re: #155 Single-handed sailor

I remember my teacher talking about that plan in 1970.

Wasn’t there once a plan to use nukes as excavation devices to open that route?

Or maybe I’m in the grips of a fever dream….

162 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 22, 2015 8:53:36pm

re: #159 Lancelot Link

China is not a member of the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

I stand corrected. Pick another country, then.

163 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 22, 2015 8:55:47pm

re: #152 Charles Johnson

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Obama respecting Lizard authority.
:)

164 austin_blue  Apr 22, 2015 8:56:23pm

re: #162 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I stand corrected. Pick another country, then.

Bhutan! I pick Bhutan!

did i win?

165 suesista  Apr 22, 2015 8:56:26pm

re: #22 Varek Raith

I believe there will be a 4 month period of public discussion before a vote.

166 Kragar  Apr 22, 2015 9:02:34pm
167 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 22, 2015 9:02:45pm

re: #161 austin_blue

Wasn’t there once a plan to use nukes as excavation devices to open that route?

Or maybe I’m in the grips of a fever dream….

You may be—but so was Edward Teller. That was one of the many geoengineering feats that his Project Plowshare was supposed to pull off.

168 De Kolta Chair  Apr 22, 2015 9:02:51pm

re: #160 Charles Johnson

She picked the wrong town to play that game in.
169 The War TARDIS  Apr 22, 2015 9:05:08pm

re: #168 De Kolta Chair

Kamala Khan to NYC!

170 De Kolta Chair  Apr 22, 2015 9:07:28pm

re: #169 The War TARDIS

Kamala Khan to NYC!

Neither Ms. Khan nor NYC fuck around.

171 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 22, 2015 9:09:10pm

re: #152 Charles Johnson

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That’s not an Alligator,


This is an Alligator.
172 austin_blue  Apr 22, 2015 9:12:21pm

re: #171 RealityBasedSteve

That’s not an Alligator,

Embedded Image

This is an Alligator.

Them’s good eatin’.

173 #FergusonFireside  Apr 22, 2015 9:12:49pm

re: #171 RealityBasedSteve

That’s not an Alligator,

Embedded Image

This is an Alligator.

How close were you?

I grew up in Florida, I was never that close. holy hell.

174 #FergusonFireside  Apr 22, 2015 9:15:33pm

I’m going down for the night.

Rev. Belling, I don’t think I can hack it tonight. (bookmarked, thanks) I’ll watch tomorrow when I get home. More time to get my mind clear after that.

I’m pretty sure I’ve heard many reports from Orlando de Guzman on PRI, so look forward to his work.

Nighty!

175 freetoken  Apr 22, 2015 9:16:08pm

The GOP is in God’s hand, or something:

Klingenschmitt announces bigger political plans at Colorado Springs town hall

What was billed as a town hall meeting turned into a half-hour tease for Rep. Gordon Klingenschmitt’s announcement that he plans to run for a state Senate seat.

[…]

Klingenschmitt said he fasted for 72 hours before the Wednesday night meeting and asked for God’s advice on his political future. He sent a poll to constituents after a recent controversy in which he made national news for making a comment in a video for his for-profit activist ministry, “Pray in Jesus Name,” about a woman in Longmont whose baby was cut from her womb. Klingenschmitt concluded the video by reading a Bible passage about pregnant women of Samaria being ripped open.

[…]

176 The War TARDIS  Apr 22, 2015 9:21:38pm

re: #175 freetoken

I am feeling calmer and less hateful.

I am so glad to have left that rathole city.

177 freetoken  Apr 22, 2015 9:22:15pm

Local news outlet ignores the truth about Allen West:

West: ‘Americans are “allowing tyranny to take its hold’

West’s appearance, billed as “An Evening With (Lt.) Col. Allen West,” was a fundraiser sponsored by the conservative group East Texans for Liberty. Besides paying at least $15 admission to see the former decorated U.S. Army officer and onetime congressman, those attending could participate in a silent auction.

They totally ignore of course why West had to leave the service.

The rest is the usual THEY’RE PERSECUTING US!!!

178 De Kolta Chair  Apr 22, 2015 9:22:26pm

Nice chatting with you lizards. And now, the nadir of western civilization…

179 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 22, 2015 9:24:17pm

re: #173 #FergusonFireside

How close were you?

I grew up in Florida, I was never that close. holy hell.

That was down in the everglades, at the Big Osprey (IIRC) wildlife area in the Everglades. I was probably 10-12 foot away (but up on a walkway / bridge). Took it with my Olympus E-PL1, with the 40-150mm (80-300 Full Frame Equiv) zoomed all the way in at 150.

I’ve also been to “Shark Valley” in the ‘glades a few times, got some good pics from there.

My Dad loves that part of Florida, we always make a run down that way when I go to visit.

RBS

180 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 22, 2015 9:31:16pm

I’m going off to bed. One of my ears is bothering me a bunch this last day or so, Sort of a “swimmers ear” thing. It’s sore and irritated on the outer ear canal. I’ll put some ear-beer in it (half denatured alcohol and half white vinegar) and it will clear up in a day or so. It’s not serious, just an aggravation.

RBS

181 BeachDem  Apr 22, 2015 9:32:37pm

So, this Alabamasshole is trying to shut down a women’s health clinic and says, “To me, the whole atmosphere around abortion clinics is very unsettling, with protesters on both sides, and to me not something we need to have the children of Alabama subjected to.”

rawstory.com

Uh huh-so, since he is THINKING OF THE CHILDREN, is he going to add an amendment that forced birthers cannot take their children to clinic protests? Of course he isn’t, because he is a lying sack o’shit.

182 austin_blue  Apr 22, 2015 9:40:25pm

re: #175 freetoken

The GOP is in God’s hand, or something:

Klingenschmitt announces bigger political plans at Colorado Springs town hall

He fasted for 72 hours? Thank God that God buoyed him up so that he could make his speech! And thank God that God answered his prayers and directed him to divinely run for the Senate!

Did he mention what happened to the woman in Longmont that had her baby cut from her womb?

Horrors!

And it’s happening in Samaria, too!

Horrors and nightmares!

Allrighty, then, I’m going to bed. The level of Derp is obviously increasing to levels that will result in torches and pitchforks wielded by the great unwashed. So be it.

You get what you vote for. These people are insane.

Fuck my life.

183 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 22, 2015 9:59:30pm

re: #108 Feline Fearless Leader

A historian with a nitpick about the Netflix Daredevil series:

aelarsen.wordpress.com

So, I read this nitpick, and it reminds me of the nitpicking we physics guys do of science fiction shows and movies, not to mention comic books. There is no law that says literature must completely hew to historical fact (or known science, for that matter). We can nitpick all we like, but Daredevil is set in an imaginary universe that’s only marginally connected to the one we inhabit. So what if the TV Daredevil’s Hell’s Kitchen is a Gotham-like den of vice, corruption and poverty and the real one isn’t anymore? This is the same universe where Thor is an extraterrestrial, a genetically modified spider gave a teenager superpowers, and a selfish rich dude built a red-and-gold suit of armor to help people. In this universe, Hell’s Kitchen never got gentrified. Now shut up, I’m trying to listen to the movie here.

Speaking of Iron Man, here’s a physics nitpick to ponder: inertia does not seem to exist for Tony Stark. He gets slammed around something awful in that suit of his, but somehow he never suffers any serious injuries. In reality, in a major impact his suit might be fine, but Tony inside would be a goopy mess. Just because the suit has stopped moving doesn’t mean all of Tony’s insides have. Ask any pro football player.

Now I’ll shut up, and listen to the movie.

184 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 22, 2015 10:26:20pm

re: #183 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

So, I read this nitpick, and it reminds me of the nitpicking we physics guys do of science fiction shows and movies, not to mention comic books. There is no law that says literature must completely hew to historical fact (or known science, for that matter). We can nitpick all we like, but Daredevil is set in an imaginary universe that’s only marginally connected to the one we inhabit. So what if the TV Daredevil’s Hell’s Kitchen is a Gotham-like den of vice, corruption and poverty and the real one isn’t anymore? This is the same universe where Thor is an extraterrestrial, a genetically modified spider gave a teenager superpowers, and a selfish rich dude built a red-and-gold suit of armor to help people. In this universe, Hell’s Kitchen never got gentrified. Now shut up, I’m trying to listen to the movie here.

Speaking of Iron Man, here’s a physics nitpick to ponder: inertia does not seem to exist for Tony Stark. He gets slammed around something awful in that suit of his, but somehow he never suffers any serious injuries. In reality, in a major impact his suit might be fine, but Tony inside would be a goopy mess. Just because the suit has stopped moving doesn’t mean all of Tony’s insides have. Ask any pro football player.

Now I’ll shut up, and listen to the movie.

The comic book stuff in general doesn’t understand physics and inertia. Superman picking up a battleship (or other large object) would end up under the object resting in a Superman-shaped dent, or simply holding a relatively small chunk since the rest of the object broke off.

185 Amory Blaine  Apr 22, 2015 10:26:44pm

Is Baby Buddha’s chalice of choice the beer bong?

Rand Paul’s son cited for DUI in Lexington

He needs to stop before he kills someone.

186 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 22, 2015 10:36:58pm

re: #184 Feline Fearless Leader

The comic book stuff in general doesn’t understand physics and inertia. Superman picking up a battleship (or other large object) would end up under the object resting in a Superman-shaped dent, or simply holding a relatively small chunk since the rest of the object broke off.

Not to mention holding a jetliner by its nose and gently placing it on the ground.

Along those lines, I used to have a Word file called Cartoon Physics that I got from some teacher friend. It’s mostly based on the physics of Looney Tunes, as in, “the Law of Conscious Falling: Character in midair doesn’t fall until he looks down and realizes he is in midair” or “The Uncertainty Principle of painted doorways and holes: The first character to paint a door on a wall may open the door to escape, but his pursuer only runs into a solid wall.”

ADDENDUM: Of course, there is an entry at en.wikipedia.org

187 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 22, 2015 11:09:31pm

re: #186 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

And stated clearly here: gshotts.com

188 Nyet  Apr 23, 2015 12:36:53am

re: #160 Charles Johnson

Who the fuck is on the right?

189 Nyet  Apr 23, 2015 12:38:07am

So David Duke ads are a fair game now too?

190 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 23, 2015 12:44:13am

I’m sure that’s an authentic quote—it’s got quotation marks around it and everything. Punctuation don’t lie!

191 goddamnedfrank  Apr 23, 2015 12:46:03am

re: #188 Nyet

Who the fuck is on the right?

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David Yerushalmi, Pam’s lawyer.

192 Nyet  Apr 23, 2015 12:57:28am

re: #190 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’m sure that’s an authentic quote—it’s got quotation marks around it and everything. Punctuation don’t lie!

Could very well be.

palwatch. org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=8091

193 Nyet  Apr 23, 2015 12:59:19am

What’s with the wingnut hang up on the Mufti? Sure, he was a genocidally evil fuck, but his evil deeds are his evil deeds, not anyone else’s.

194 Nyet  Apr 23, 2015 1:24:42am

An old article by Okun on “E=mc2” as a misleading “element of mass culture”.

195 Justanotherhuman  Apr 23, 2015 1:47:32am

Want to know the raw fundamentals of the TPP and which countries will be affected?

ustr.gov

President Obama’s trade agenda is dedicated to expanding economic opportunity for American workers, farmers, ranchers, and businesses. That’s why we are negotiating the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a 21st century trade agreement that will boost U.S. economic growth, support American jobs, and grow Made-in-America exports to some of the most dynamic and fastest growing countries in the world.

As the cornerstone of the Obama Administration’s economic policy in the Asia Pacific, the Trans-Pacific Partnership reflects the United States’ economic priorities and values. The TPP not only seeks to provide new and meaningful market access for American goods and services exports, but also set high-standard rules for trade, and address vital 21st-century issues within the global economy.

The TPP will support Made-in-America exports

The TPP will enforce fundamental labor rights

The TPP will promote strong environmental protection

The TPP will help small businesses benefit from trade.

There is also an interactive map that you can click on to see how the TPP will affect your state. For instance,

North Carolina’s export shipments of merchandise in 2013 totaled $29.3 billion. North Carolina exported $12 billion annually in goods to all TPP markets (2011-2013 average). North Carolina’s goods exports to all TPP markets increased by 10 percent from 2011 to 2013. During this period, 43 percent of North Carolina’s total goods exports went to the TPP region. The top three product categories exported to TPP-member economies in 2013 were chemical manufactures, machinery manufactures, and transportation equipment.

This gives us a broad idea of this deal. Also, I read the other day that there will be no amendments allowed to this bill to monkey up special interests—it will be either passed or rejected as presented.

196 Justanotherhuman  Apr 23, 2015 2:00:42am

Framework of the TPP agreement (this has been almost 4 yrs in the making).

On November 12, 2011, the Leaders of the nine Trans-Pacific Partnership countries - Australia, Brunei Darussalam, Chile, Malaysia, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore, Vietnam, and the United States - announced the achievement of the broad outlines of an ambitious, 21st-century Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) agreement that will enhance trade and investment among the TPP partner countries, promote innovation, economic growth and development, and support the creation and retention of jobs.

ustr.gov

We have to ask ourselves: Do we want these kind of trade agreements, or would we prefer that corporations and businesses just have their will with the world in a libertarian wet dream without considerations from all countries?

Even comments assume that this is all the doing of the US when years of negotiations have been with every country contributing ideas that will benefit all. These negotiations are what have lead us to the final legislation we now are awaiting.

197 Justanotherhuman  Apr 23, 2015 2:14:29am

We really should stop thinking in terms of what only affects the US. We live in the world, not just in our own little corner. If we don’t think what happens in other countries in one aspect don’t affect us, well, just look at situations like the drownings in the Mediterranean, the conflict in the ME, the situation in Russia, just for starters.

Wherever people suffer, they also have the same needs everyone of us has—and some of them don’t even have the basics of a roof over their heads and food on the table. Bad govts can be made to “behave” in their own citizens interests through trade but never through war. This is a lesson that was always lost on the US and while we have great wealth as a country, our wars haven’t made it the same for others. We can’t summarily change other govts, but we can set an example when we treat not just our own citizens, but those of other countries with respect.

I’d rather be the beneficiary of what the world has to offer, not what any country would take away through force.

198 Nyet  Apr 23, 2015 2:16:27am

re: #194 Nyet

199 Justanotherhuman  Apr 23, 2015 2:33:22am

Maltese soldiers carry bodies of 24 unidentified migrants who died at sea at today’s interfaith ceremony.

vine.co

To paraphrase, any person’s death diminishes me. Since Donne didn’t live in the modern age, he wrote about his own world at the time but the poem itself rings even more true in the 21st century world and I don’t mean in a metaphysical sense but a material, even literal, one.

No man is an island,
Entire of itself,
Every man is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thy friend’s
Or of thine own were:
Any man’s death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in mankind,
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.

John Donne

200 Justanotherhuman  Apr 23, 2015 2:52:34am

I think this is much ado about nothing. The charity receives, and distributes, a lot of money since it’s basically an org that does work world-wide. This isn’t a scandal in and of itself but appears to be accounting errors. And BTW, is there a law against accepting money from foreign govts for a charity? I don’t think so, although it is for campaign funds, an entirely different animal. Unless Reuters can prove that, they’re simply fishing for “dirt” against Clinton.

Exclusive: Clinton charities will refile tax returns, audit for other errors

reuters.com

(snip)

“The decision to review the returns was made last month following inquiries from Reuters, and the foundation has not ruled out extending the review to tax returns extending back 15 or so years.

“Minassian declined to comment on why the foundation had not included the necessary break-down of government funding in its 990 forms. He said it was rare to find an organization as transparent as the foundation.

“No charity is required to disclose their donors,” he said. “However, we voluntarily disclose our more than 300,000 donors and post our audited financial statements on our website along with the 990s for anyone to see.” (my emphasis) More

I’m waiting to see if Republican candidates are as forthcoming about the donors to their charities as the Clinton Foundation is.

201 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 23, 2015 3:27:56am

re: #199 Justanotherhuman

Lit-trivia: Donne wrote those words as part of a meditation, a prose essay. This section was later pulled out and reorganized as a poem by others.

Here’s the entire Meditation XVII. isu.indstate.edu

Meditation XVII

from Devotions Upon Emergent Occasions

Nunc lento sonitu di****, morieris.
Now this bell tolling softly for another, says to me, Thou must die.

Perchance he for whom this bell tolls may be so ill as that he knows not it tolls for him; and perchance I may think myself so much better than I am, as that they who are about me and see my state may have caused it to toll for me, and I know not that. The church is catholic, universal, so are all her actions; all that she does belongs to all. When she baptizes a child, that action concerns me; for that child is thereby connected to that head which is my head too, and ingrafted into the body whereof I am a member. And when she buries a man, that action concerns me: all mankind is of one author and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated. God employs several translators; some pieces are translated by age, some by sickness, some by war, some by justice; but God’s hand is in every translation, and his hand shall bind up all our scattered leaves again for that library where every book shall lie open to one another. As therefore the bell that rings a sermon calls not upon the preacher only, but upon the congregation to come, so this bell calls us all; but how much more me, who am brought so near the door by this sickness. There was a contention as far as a suit (in which piety and dignity, religion and estimation, were mingled) which of the religious orders should ring to prayers first in the morning; and it was determined that they should ring first that rose earliest. If we understand aright the dignity of this bell that tolls for our evening prayer, we would be glad to make it ours by rising early, in that application, that it might be ours as well as his whose indeed it is. The bell doth toll for him that thinks it doth; and though it intermit again, yet from that minute that that occasion wrought upon him, he is united to God. Who casts not up his eye to the sun when it rises? but who takes off his eye from a comet when that breaks out? Who bends not his ear to any bell which upon any occasion rings? but who can remove it from that bell which is passing a piece of himself out of this world? No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend’s or of thine own were. Any man’s death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. Neither can we call this a begging of misery or a borrowing of misery, as though we are not miserable enough of ourselves but must fetch in more from the next house, in taking upon us the misery of our neighbors. Truly it were an excusable covetousness if we did; for affliction is a treasure, and scarce any man hath enough of it. No man hath affliction enough that is not matured and ripened by it, and made fit for God by that affliction. If a man carry treasure in bullion, or in a wedge of gold, and have none coined into current moneys, his treasure will not defray him as he travels. Tribulation is treasure in the nature of it, but it is not current money in the use of it, except we get nearer and nearer our home, heaven, by it. Another man may be sick too, and sick to death, and this affliction may lie in his bowels as gold in a mine and be of no use to him; but this bell that tells me of his affliction digs out and applies that gold to me, if by this consideration of another’s dangers I take mine own into contemplation and so secure myself by making my recourse to my God, who is our only security.

You can hear it read aloud here global-language.com

NOTE: In case you get asterisks, the fourth Latin word is D-I-C-U-N-T (says to).

202 Romantic Heretic  Apr 23, 2015 3:29:11am

Free trade deals are never about free trade. They’re always about undercutting any sort of social balancing legislation that a country possesses. They are entirely and without exception flag posts on the race to the bottom.

203 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 23, 2015 3:35:03am

re: #199 Justanotherhuman

re: #201 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’ll note here that Donne was clearly relying on the Liberal Bible, not the Conservatarian Bible as understood by some today. /.

204 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 23, 2015 3:53:59am

re: #201 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I dearly love both his secular and sacred poetry. I have about 5 of the sacred poems taped into my personal prayer book. Good Friday, 1613, Riding Westward is one of my favorites.

205 Justanotherhuman  Apr 23, 2015 4:00:34am

re: #203 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

As liberal as he could be as a Church of England cleric at the time, I suppose. : )

206 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 23, 2015 4:03:18am

re: #204 William Barnett-Lewis

“Holy Sonnet X”
Death be not proud, though some have called thee
Mighty and dreadful, for, thou art not so,
For, those, whom thou think’st, thou dost overthrow,
Die not, poore death, nor yet canst thou kill me.
From rest and sleepe, which but thy pictures bee,
Much pleasure, then from thee, much more must flow,
And soonest our best men with thee doe goe,
Rest of their bones, and souls deliverie.
Thou art slave to Fate, Chance, kings, and desperate men,
And dost with poyson, warre, and sicknesse dwell,
And poppie, or charmes can make us sleepe as well,
And better then thy stroake; why swell’st thou then;
One short sleepe past, wee wake eternally,
And death shall be no more; Death, thou shalt die.

Of course, the above requires a belief in the afterlife, and the final resurrection. But it’s still a way to sneer at the Grim Reaper.

207 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 23, 2015 4:05:32am

re: #205 Justanotherhuman

As liberal as he could be as a Church of England cleric at the time, I suppose. : )

True. I’m not suggesting he’d be all for gay marriage, for example, but at least he had a better understanding of compassion for one’s fellows than many modern day RR preachers.

208 Justanotherhuman  Apr 23, 2015 4:12:47am

re: #202 Romantic Heretic

Free trade deals are never about free trade. They’re always about undercutting any sort of social balancing legislation that a country possesses. They are entirely and without exception flag posts on the race to the bottom.

Could you expand on that? I’m not quite getting your meaning.

209 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 23, 2015 4:16:00am

re: #208 Justanotherhuman

Could you expand on that? I’m not quite getting your meaning.

What you talkin’ about, Willis?

210 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Apr 23, 2015 4:20:43am

re: #74 Targetpractice

Yes, we were all embryos once. But not every embryo makes it. In fact, the vast majority do not. How one squares that with a belief that every embryo is a unique and individual person from the moment of conception, I have no clue.

In fact, more than half of all fertilized eggs abort before birth, without any human help at all. I call those God’s abortions.

211 Justanotherhuman  Apr 23, 2015 4:24:07am

BBL.

212 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 23, 2015 4:38:17am

Try not to burn too many desks, Lizards.

I’ll be back on Tuesday.

213 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 4:50:43am

re: #188 Nyet

Who the fuck is on the right?

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Way to promote anti-Semitism by Jews who act like evil fucks. Thanks loads Pamela & David.

ps Fuck you.

214 Decatur Deb  Apr 23, 2015 5:14:56am

re: #213 Lord Of The Pies

Way to promote anti-Semitism by Jews who act like evil fucks. Thanks loads Pamela & David.

ps Fuck you.

On the other hand, the monthly interfaith luncheon my wife attended had representation by:
Catholic (heavy)
Jewish (reform female rabbi, one of the driving forces)
Hindu (lonely MD)
Baptist (only 1???)
Presbyterian (heavy, host church)
Vague Spiritual Group (guys sponsored the Tibetan monks last month)
Muslim (flying solo this time)

This is progress in Lower Alabama. Does anyone know how to make a
freakin’ Singing Bowl sing?

215 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 5:16:23am

re: #214 Decatur Deb

On the other hand, the monthly interfaith luncheon my wife attended had representation by:
Catholic (heavy)
Jewish (reform female rabbi, one of the driving forces)
Hindu (lonely MD)
Baptist (only 1???)
Presbyterian (heavy, host church)
Vague Spiritual Group (guys sponsored the Tibetan monks last month)
Muslim (flying solo this time)

This is progress in Lower Alabama. Does anyone know how to make a
freakin’ Singing Bowl sing?

Why u not invite my son? (Chabad rabbi in Alabama) I has a sad. :(

216 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 23, 2015 5:18:13am

re: #214 Decatur Deb

Folks in the South either don’t recognize how diverse the population is becoming, or fear how diverse it is becoming.

217 Decatur Deb  Apr 23, 2015 5:20:24am

re: #215 Lord Of The Pies

Why u not invite my son? (Chabad rabbi in Alabama) I has a sad. :(

He’s about a six hour drive away. Long way to come for a bag lunch. I’ll let wife know if he’s heading to Panama City Beach. (The Spring breakers washed away over the last two weeks.)

218 Justanotherhuman  Apr 23, 2015 5:22:03am

re: #216 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

They fear it intensely in some circles. It’s a shame and backwards as hell.

219 Decatur Deb  Apr 23, 2015 5:22:07am

re: #216 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Folks in the South either don’t recognize how diverse the population is becoming, or fear how diverse it is becoming.

Our diversity and sanity are greatly influenced by Ft. Rucker. The tiny temple here hosted a seder for almost 2000 soldiers during WWII training.

220 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 23, 2015 5:26:19am

re: #186 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Not to mention holding a jetliner by its nose and gently placing it on the ground.

Along those lines, I used to have a Word file called Cartoon Physics that I got from some teacher friend. It’s mostly based on the physics of Looney Tunes, as in, “the Law of Conscious Falling: Character in midair doesn’t fall until he looks down and realizes he is in midair” or “The Uncertainty Principle of painted doorways and holes: The first character to paint a door on a wall may open the door to escape, but his pursuer only runs into a solid wall.”

ADDENDUM: Of course, there is an entry at en.wikipedia.org

Yep. Fun stuff. I even played Toon a few times in college where we used that game as a one-off break now and then between playing other RPGs.

221 Justanotherhuman  Apr 23, 2015 5:32:10am

Oh, for chrissakes. It took a year? I may not like the Bush family all that much, but this is fucking ridiculous. I’m going to assume this wasn’t the ordinary “security system” that’s peddled out there for the public, either.

Secret Service took a year to fix broken alarm at George H.W. Bush home

washingtonpost.com

222 wrenchwench  Apr 23, 2015 5:36:58am

Antidote for Geller:

223 Justanotherhuman  Apr 23, 2015 5:41:17am

Migration is a huge part of human history and always will be. Either countries accept that fact, or we get the kind of nationalistic, inhumane blowback that we’re seeing everywhere. Sometimes people living in horrific circumstances just are unable to wait for the niceties of obtaining permission if they want to continue living.

U.N. calls for urgent EU steps to save migrants and admit refugees

reuters.com

224 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 23, 2015 5:55:20am

On the subject of death poetry:

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

225 wrenchwench  Apr 23, 2015 6:00:49am

re: #223 Justanotherhuman

Migration is a huge part of human history and always will be. Either countries accept that fact, or we get the kind of nationalistic, inhumane blowback that we’re seeing everywhere. Sometimes people living in horrific circumstances just are unable to wait for the niceties of obtaining permission if they want to continue living.

U.N. calls for urgent EU steps to save migrants and admit refugees

reuters.com

Best DREAMERS slogan: ‘Children don’t migrate; they flee.’

226 Decatur Deb  Apr 23, 2015 6:03:08am

re: #224 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

On the subject of death poetry:

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Why should not old men be mad?
Some have known a likely lad
That had a sound fly-fisher’s wrist
Turn to a drunken journalist;
A girl that knew all Dante once
Live to bear children to a dunce;
A Helen of social welfare dream,
Climb on a wagonette to scream…

227 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 6:06:35am
228 Snarknado!  Apr 23, 2015 6:09:34am

And now for something completely different. The CA vaccination bill is out of the education committee and heading for the judiciary committee (last step before full Senate) where it is expected to pass.

229 wrenchwench  Apr 23, 2015 6:10:52am

Baby birds!

230 Sionainn  Apr 23, 2015 6:12:07am

re: #210 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

In fact, more than half of all fertilized eggs abort before birth, without any human help at all. I call those God’s abortions.

I had two very early miscarriages that probably wouldn’t have been noticed by a normal person, but since I was hypersensitive to my body because of infertility treatments I’d undergone years before, I went straight in to them to get a blood test. I don’t understand people who think that those are babies. I grieved for a little while, not the loss of a child, but the loss of a potential child when I wanted one so much. It doesn’t bother me a bit now because I didn’t lose a child!

So, in my case I had two miscarriages and two live births. 50/50.

231 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 23, 2015 6:23:52am

re: #229 wrenchwench

Baby birds!

Increased demand for pigeon-on-the-wing in Atlanta.
;)

232 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 6:27:31am

A NEW IDIOT IN MY TIME LINE==>

233 BeenHereAwhile  Apr 23, 2015 6:30:11am

re: #45 RealityBasedSteve

My second wife was full Cajun, and when I met her family they would switch to Cajun, talk back and forth, look at me and laugh. Yea, that was odd.

RBS

Q: What’s the difference between Cajun music & Zydeco

A: If you can’t dance to it, it’s Zydeco.

234 BeenHereAwhile  Apr 23, 2015 6:32:58am

This is a good read:

[…] What we didn’t know until 2006 was that Saddam knew he would be defeated and used al-Douri to organize an armed insurgency led by the Saddam Fedayeen to recreate the Great Arab Revolution of 1920, where the British were kicked out of southern Iraq after a multi-year insurgency.

Al-Douri and the Revolutionary Command Council also had deep relations with Hafez al-Assad and the Syrian Baath party. At al-Douri’s urging, Saddam opened oil pipelines to Syria and built a cash relationship with the al-Assad family.

In the run-up to the U.S. invasion in 2003, Saddam and al-Douri “Islamicised” the coming insurgency, allowing foreign terrorists into the country. Syria became the pipeline for al-Qaeda foreign fighters and al-Assad happily let them cross the border, using his intelligence agencies to distribute weapons and facilitate travel.

One key group to arrive was that of Jordanian-born Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and his men of Tawhid wal-Jihad (Monotheism and Holy War). They hated the Baathists but could not move freely through Iraq without their assistance. A partnership was formed, and they worked symbiotically. Soon afterwards, Zarqawi’s group became al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI)[…]

phasezero.gawker.com

235 Eventual Carrion  Apr 23, 2015 6:33:08am

re: #227 Backwoods_Sleuth

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See, business do care about the little people. They told the government to tell the little people not to drink the water the business polluted.

236 BeenHereAwhile  Apr 23, 2015 6:34:34am

The ironic lesson (according to the Gawker article) is that Saddam denied AQI access to Iraq (contrary to what Dick Cheney claimed), and did not embrace AQI until the US made clear its intention to invade Iraq.

237 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 6:42:48am
238 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 23, 2015 6:43:55am

re: #236 BeenHereAwhile

The ironic lesson (according to the Gawker article) is that Saddam denied AQI access to Iraq (contrary to what Dick Cheney claimed), and did not embrace AQI until the US made clear its intention to invade Iraq.

And Saddam, seeing it coming, sort of “poisoned his wells” in advance by preparing to fight a guerrilla war in addition to the initial conventional conflict he expected to lose.

239 WhatEVs  Apr 23, 2015 6:48:19am

re: #237 Lord Of The Pies

Really. At least use U R as that shows you understand that two words are involved.

Let’s not try them on their, there or they’re either. That would really throw them for a loop.

240 FemNaziBitch  Apr 23, 2015 6:48:45am

From Tammy Duckworth’s fb Page:

As a new mom who had the privilege of giving birth to my daughter at age 46, I am especially heartbroken to know that women can be fired for using treatments like in vitro fertilization.
So I proposed an amendment last night that would protect women from being fired for trying to start or expand their family.
Add your name: tell Congress to prevent employers from firing women who use infertility treatments:

241 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 6:48:51am
242 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 23, 2015 6:55:01am

<meta> Well, I updated Firefox to 37.0.2 last night, and so far, embedded tweets are showing fully without opening the post in a new tab. I don’t know if this is a fluke or not, but I’m keeping my fingers crossed. </meta>

243 b.d.  Apr 23, 2015 6:56:07am

re: #237 Lord Of The Pies

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hahaha!

244 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 7:02:23am

re: #227 Backwoods_Sleuth

Drinking water. All these people just want free stuff.

/

245 GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 23, 2015 7:02:31am

re: #237 Lord Of The Pies

What a looser!

246 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 7:03:27am
247 lawhawk  Apr 23, 2015 7:03:36am

re: #237 Lord Of The Pies

What do you call a CEO who fucks up, bankrupts a company & 10,000’s lose their jobs? A genius?

Chainsaw Al Dunlap?
Carly Fiorina?

248 Justanotherhuman  Apr 23, 2015 7:06:04am

re: #227 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah, I’m about 7 mi from that plant. It doesn’t affect us.

Yet.

249 Snarknado!  Apr 23, 2015 7:06:14am

re: #239 WhatEVs

Really. At least use U R as that shows you understand that two words are involved.

Let’s not try them on their, there or they’re either. That would really throw them for a loop.

Don’t you mean a loup?

250 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 7:06:48am

re: #177 freetoken

conservative group East Texans for Liberty

Tyrannies must be a real problem in East Texas.

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251 FemNaziBitch  Apr 23, 2015 7:11:24am
Their patriarchy is leaking.

Their misogyny is leaking.

We will not be censored.

shameless Pages Promotion

252 FemNaziBitch  Apr 23, 2015 7:11:50am

re: #247 lawhawk

What do you call a CEO who fucks up, bankrupts a company & 10,000’s lose their jobs? A genius?

Chainsaw Al Dunlap?
Carly Fiorina?

a future senator.

253 FemNaziBitch  Apr 23, 2015 7:12:40am
I would change this to Dear Person
254 WhatEVs  Apr 23, 2015 7:12:52am

re: #249 Snarknado!

Don’t you mean a loup?

Could be. :-)

255 FemNaziBitch  Apr 23, 2015 7:13:42am

How is it for everyone this morning? It’s rather cool here, but bright and beautiful. Well, except for the Amorous Cardinal. I rather enjoyed his absence during the past couple blustery days.

256 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 7:13:43am

re: #252 FemNaziBitch

a future senator.

A GOP candidate for President

257 Eventual Carrion  Apr 23, 2015 7:15:45am

re: #255 FemNaziBitch

How is it for everyone this morning? It’s rather cool here, but bright and beautiful. Well, except for the Amorous Cardinal. I rather enjoyed his absence during the past couple blustery days.

Surprised to see snow accumulated on cars in driveway this morning. Didn’t think it was going to snow that hard last night. Still flurries out there off and on at 10 AM.

258 Lidane  Apr 23, 2015 7:17:44am

Good luck with that:

“For too long, federal courts have overstepped their constitutionally limited duty to interpret the Constitution.” King said in a news release. “Rather, federal courts have perverted the Constitution to make law and create constitutional rights to things such as privacy, birth control, and abortion. These Unenumerated, so-called constitutionally-protected rights were not envisioned by our Founding Fathers.”

King’s bill strips away Article III of the Constitution, which gives federal courts the jurisdiction to hear or decide any question pertaining to the interpretation of, or the validity under the Constitution of, any type of marriage. The bill also prohibits federal funds from being used for any litigation in, or enforcement of any order or judgment by, any federal court.

259 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 23, 2015 7:17:50am

re: #257 Eventual Carrion

Surprised to see snow accumulated on cars in driveway this morning. Didn’t think it was going to snow that hard last night. Still flurries out there off and on at 10 AM.

Wait, what? You’ve got snow??!! Where do you live?

260 Justanotherhuman  Apr 23, 2015 7:18:42am

re: #257 Eventual Carrion

Surprised to see snow accumulated on cars in driveway this morning. Didn’t think it was going to snow that hard last night. Still flurries out there off and on at 10 AM.

The long, hard spring now?

261 FemNaziBitch  Apr 23, 2015 7:20:02am

re: #260 Justanotherhuman

The long, hard spring now?

Those suck. I hope we are done with that.

262 FemNaziBitch  Apr 23, 2015 7:20:31am

I should be doing laundry right now.

I don’t feel guilty for not doing it.

263 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 23, 2015 7:23:51am

re: #262 FemNaziBitch

I should be doing laundry right now.

I don’t feel guilty for not doing it.

It’ll be there tomorrow. ;-)

264 FemNaziBitch  Apr 23, 2015 7:25:31am

I made the mistake of commenting. There are so many, I can’t get to the bottom to copy mine. Most are sickening.

265 FemNaziBitch  Apr 23, 2015 7:25:40am

re: #263 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It’ll be there tomorrow. ;-)

and the day after.

266 Lidane  Apr 23, 2015 7:26:10am

re: #246 Backwoods_Sleuth

267 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 23, 2015 7:26:18am

I assume the usual “We Hate Obama” campers will be livid at this revelation of hostages being killed in a counter-terror strike, while simultaneously maintaining that Obama is weak on terrorism.

268 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 23, 2015 7:26:38am

re: #265 FemNaziBitch

and the day after.

That’s the spirit!

269 darthstar  Apr 23, 2015 7:27:23am

Why do I have to wake up to this kind of bullshit in my timeline?

270 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 7:28:57am

re: #264 FemNaziBitch

I made the mistake of commenting. There are so many, I can’t get to the bottom to copy mine. Most are sickening.

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271 Varek Raith  Apr 23, 2015 7:28:57am

re: #237 Lord Of The Pies

I sea what you did their.

272 Eventual Carrion  Apr 23, 2015 7:29:57am

re: #259 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Wait, what? You’ve got snow??!! Where do you live?

NW Pennsylvania. Lake Erie effect snow knows no seasons :-)

273 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 7:30:04am

re: #264 FemNaziBitch

I made the mistake of commenting. There are so many, I can’t get to the bottom to copy mine. Most are sickening.

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I made the above meme in response to THIS SHIT==>

274 FemNaziBitch  Apr 23, 2015 7:31:06am
275 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 23, 2015 7:32:28am

re: #264 FemNaziBitch

I made the mistake of commenting. There are so many, I can’t get to the bottom to copy mine. Most are sickening.

Someone needs to remind Pat that game show emcees made less money 30 years ago than they do now.

Also, without Vanna he’d just be another game show host.

276 darthstar  Apr 23, 2015 7:32:30am
277 Eventual Carrion  Apr 23, 2015 7:32:33am

re: #271 Varek Raith

I sea what you did their.

Ewe two, sew did eye.

278 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 23, 2015 7:34:02am

re: #277 Eventual Carrion

Ewe two, sew did eye.

Damn homonyms want equality. It ain’t natchural!

279 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 7:36:03am

re: #273 Lord Of The Pies

I made the above meme in response to THIS SHIT==>

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Saw a Pat Sajak tweet yesterday (he’s the wingnut who hosts Wheel of Fortune) where he says, words to the effect of,
Hurr hurr when I worked in minimum wage jobs I just focused on working harder not on boosting the minimum wage!!!!!1

This is an important element of democracy that I think most people have forgotten, the constitutional principle that people at the lower ends of life should suck it up, not bother anyone, not try to organize politically, not try to change anything, especially anything economic, etc.

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280 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 7:36:42am

re: #275 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Ah, yes, I see someone else saw this, too.

281 #FergusonFireside  Apr 23, 2015 7:37:19am

re: #276 darthstar

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I heard POTUS talk on my way in and my thought afterwards was I will be seeing GG’s holier than thou rage once I sign in. Yep, there ‘tis.

282 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 7:37:32am

re: #267 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I assume the usual “We Hate Obama” campers will be livid at this revelation of hostages being killed in a counter-terror strike, while simultaneously maintaining that Obama is weak on terrorism.

Why doesn’t Obama do something Why is Obama doing something?

283 FemNaziBitch  Apr 23, 2015 7:39:57am

Ray-Ban Asks Rand Paul To Remove Its Shades From His Campaign Store

Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) may be at “the intersection of politics and cool” when he wears his signature Ray-Ban Wayfarers, but the sunglass company isn’t keen on the presidential candidate slapping his name on its product.

Ray-Ban has asked Paul’s campaign to remove “Rand”-branded Wayfarer sunglasses from its online store, The Hill reported Wednesday

.

284 FemNaziBitch  Apr 23, 2015 7:40:25am

re: #275 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Someone needs to remind Pat that game show emcees made less money 30 years ago than they do now.

Also, without Vanna he’d just be another game show host.

feel free to do so, that comment thread needs more sanity.

285 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 7:40:58am

re: #258 Lidane

“Rather, federal courts have perverted the Constitution to make law and create constitutional rights to things such as privacy, birth control, and abortion.

So glad when conservative Republicans come right out with it about how they hate the right to privacy. Wish the media, Democrats would pay more attention.

286 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 7:41:13am

good freaking grief:

287 darthstar  Apr 23, 2015 7:41:16am

Heh…there be some sensitive wingnuts on the twitter.

288 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 7:41:33am

re: #275 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Someone needs to remind Pat that game show emcees made less money 30 years ago than they do now.

Also, without Vanna he’d just be another game show host.

Vanna must be getting on in years. Male game show hosts can be 170 but the females have to have perky boobs and long thin legs.

289 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 7:42:21am

re: #279 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Saw a Pat Sajak tweet yesterday (he’s the wingnut who hosts Wheel of Fortune) where he says, words to the effect of,
Hurr hurr when I worked in minimum wage jobs I just focused on working harder not on boosting the minimum wage!!!!!1

This is an important element of democracy that I think most people have forgotten, the constitutional principle that people at the lower ends of life should suck it up, not bother anyone, not try to organize politically, not try to change anything, especially anything economic, etc.

////

This is the same guy who called people who believe in global warming traitors. I really don’t think a guy who made his bones by smiling and making small talk while other people spin a wheel should be lecturing anyone about their work ethic but maybe that’s just me. He really does represent as you say that element that exists in winguttdom that the less well off should just shut up and not complain.

290 FemNaziBitch  Apr 23, 2015 7:42:28am

re: #279 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Saw a Pat Sajak tweet yesterday (he’s the wingnut who hosts Wheel of Fortune) where he says, words to the effect of,
Hurr hurr when I worked in minimum wage jobs I just focused on working harder not on boosting the minimum wage!!!!!1

This is an important element of democracy that I think most people have forgotten, the constitutional principle that people at the lower ends of life should suck it up, not bother anyone, not try to organize politically, not try to change anything, especially anything economic, etc.

////

Not really sure how becoming a game show personality counts as “bettering one’s self”. I mean REALLY?

291 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 7:42:48am

Under James Buchanan, Black unemployment was 0%

292 lawhawk  Apr 23, 2015 7:42:51am

re: #264 FemNaziBitch

293 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 7:43:25am
294 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 7:44:04am

re: #291 Lord Of The Pies

Under James Buchanan, Black unemployment was 0%

Another Republican “doctor” so busy with his practice he’s on Twitter all day.

295 Lidane  Apr 23, 2015 7:44:12am

ROFL:

296 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 7:45:07am

re: #295 Lidane

ROFL:

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Sorry Bobby, I couldn’t hear you since your head is up a corporation’s asshole.

297 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 7:45:09am

re: #295 Lidane

ROFL:

Oh, so Jindal’s admitting he’s a dictator, or aspires to such.

298 Eventual Carrion  Apr 23, 2015 7:45:44am

re: #258 Lidane

Good luck with that:

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Guess we only need 2 branches of government for “Checks” and “Balances” anyway.

299 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 23, 2015 7:46:17am

re: #272 Eventual Carrion

NW Pennsylvania. Lake Erie effect snow knows no seasons :-)

It’s that Canadian Arctic air trying to immigrate.
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300 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 7:46:23am

Jindal’s proof that all the education in the world won’t do you any good if you act like you have the intelligence level of a high school drop out who dropped out only because school is dumb.

301 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 23, 2015 7:47:19am

re: #288 Lord Of The Pies

Vanna must be getting on in years. Male game show hosts can be 170 but the females have to have perky boobs and long thin legs.

He’s 68. She’s 58. Their core audience is older, so they probably think Pat and Vanna are hot young things.

302 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 7:47:47am

re: #301 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He’s 68. She’s 58. Their core audience is older, so they probably think Pat and Vanna are hot young things.

Jeopardy is the better show*
*I said that before I knew Pat was an asshole.

303 darthstar  Apr 23, 2015 7:48:17am

re: #296 HappyWarrior

Sorry Bobby, I couldn’t hear you since your head is up a corporation’s asshole.

Shorter Jindal: If you think #BoycottIndiana was good, wait until you see #ExitLouisiana

304 lawhawk  Apr 23, 2015 7:48:44am

re: #274 FemNaziBitch

Prudential Financial? They got a sweetheart deal to remain in Newark, even though the company wasn’t going to move out of NJ. Just more of the same as the state funnels money to the chosen/privileged, while it claims that there’s no money to fund the pension fully or to keep the roads in a state of good repair.

Mind you, if NJ raised the gas tax a penny every other year, it would have had billions in the bank to cover its transportation and mass transit needs without putting on billions in debt. And it would still have a lower gas tax than neighboring states.

But Christie has also balked at raising the gas tax or requiring those who can afford to pay taxes to pay their fair share while shifting tax burdens.

I understand that the gas tax is regressive and hurts those who are of modest means, but the roads and bridges are a common good where everyone who uses roads/bridges should share burden; and the more money that goes towards mass transit will help keep fares down and keep those services going too. But NJ Transit is facing hikes and reduced services because they aren’t getting state support the way they used to either.

305 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 23, 2015 7:48:52am

re: #290 FemNaziBitch

Not really sure how becoming a game show personality counts as “bettering one’s self”. I mean REALLY?

He used to be a radio DJ and a TV weatherman. Game show host is like a lateral move.

306 Eventual Carrion  Apr 23, 2015 7:49:07am

re: #299 Feline Fearless Leader

It’s that Canadian Arctic air trying to immigrate.
//

I need to load up my heat gun and start fighting back?

307 lawhawk  Apr 23, 2015 7:49:29am

re: #295 Lidane

I’m sorry, but Jindal’s state is so far up the petrochemical business end of things, that all I see are oil slicks and sludge stains.

308 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 7:50:45am
309 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 23, 2015 7:50:50am

re: #295 Lidane

Lousiana’s Bobby Jindal: I won’t bow to liberals and big corporations like Indiana or Arkansas

He’s so busy bowing to Louisiana’s legions of toxic polluters that he doesn’t have the time to bow to anyone new.

310 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 7:51:14am

re: #308 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I like it.

311 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 23, 2015 7:54:10am

re: #302 HappyWarrior

Jeopardy is the better show*
*I said that before I knew Pat was an asshole.

My former MIL was a WoF addict, and clever enough to guess most of the words and phrases before the contestants (who are coached not to be *too* quick, or the show would be over in like 10 minutes). We tried to sway here to watch Jeopardy, but she was set in her ways. Very set.

312 darthstar  Apr 23, 2015 7:54:13am

re: #310 HappyWarrior

I like it.

Republicans don’t like the $10.10 idea, bump it up to $12. Nice.

313 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 7:55:05am

re: #312 darthstar

Republicans don’t like the $10.10 idea, bump it up to $12. Nice.

Exactly. Play hardball with the fuckers.

314 Teukka  Apr 23, 2015 7:56:48am

re: #312 darthstar

Republicans don’t like the $10.10 idea, bump it up to $12. Nice.

And if they don’t like $12, why not $12.34 :P ?

315 FemNaziBitch  Apr 23, 2015 7:58:06am

Hillary Clinton Obliterates The Latest Republican Benghazi Stunt With A Single Letter

Clinton wants to testify in public because she has nothing to hide. By calling Boehner and Gowdy’s bluff, she is painting Republicans into a corner. The House Republicans are trying to imply that she is guilty of wrongdoing by creating the false perception that Clinton is unwilling to testify. Sec. Clinton and her team are masterfully exposing the partisan motivations behind the latest Benghazi investigation.

Hillary Clinton laid to waste the latest Republican attack on her before it ever got started. The message to Republicans is that Hillary Clinton isn’t going to engage in their games, and if they want to dabble in conspiracies, the former Sec. of State is ready to make them pay.

316 FemNaziBitch  Apr 23, 2015 7:59:17am

re: #295 Lidane

ROFL:

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In the dictionary, next to the word: delusional is Jindal’s picture.

(someone, fix my punctuation—I’m still on my first cuppa)

317 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 23, 2015 8:00:21am

re: #316 FemNaziBitch

In the dictionary, next to the word: delusional is Jindal’s picture.

(someone, fix my punctuation—I’m still on my first cuppa)

In the dictionary, next to the word, “delusional,” is Jindal’s picture.

318 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 23, 2015 8:00:39am

And the Clinton Foundation is opening its books to show their donor base. That takes care of that as a potential issue, and also puts pressure on the various GOP candidate centered foundations to open up as well.

319 FemNaziBitch  Apr 23, 2015 8:02:00am

re: #300 HappyWarrior

Jindal’s proof that all the education in the world won’t do you any good if you act like you have the intelligence level of a high school drop out who dropped out only because school is dumb.

The more I think about it —I think he is trying to pander to what he thinks is his low-class, ignorant constituency.

His snobbery is showing.

320 FemNaziBitch  Apr 23, 2015 8:03:56am
321 FemNaziBitch  Apr 23, 2015 8:04:46am
322 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 8:05:14am

re: #319 FemNaziBitch

The more I think about it —I think he is trying to pander to what he thinks is his low-class, ignorant constituency.

His snobbery is showing.

He really is the and so is Cruz the worst kind of right wing elitist asshole. It’s one thing if you’re a genuine idiot like GOHMERT! but Jindal’s a former Rhodes Scholar and Cruz is a Princeton alum.

323 #FergusonFireside  Apr 23, 2015 8:05:15am

re: #311 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

My former MIL was a WoF addict, and clever enough to guess most of the words and phrases before the contestants (who are coached not to be *too* quick, or the show would be over in like 10 minutes). We tried to sway here to watch Jeopardy, but she was set in her ways. Very set.

My ex liked to watch Family Feud. It was the beginning of the end.

324 FemNaziBitch  Apr 23, 2015 8:05:24am
325 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 23, 2015 8:07:37am

re: #323 #FergusonFireside

My ex liked to watch Family Feud. It was the beginning of the end.

I liked it FF better when Richard Dawson was the host, but survey says it’s still a dumb show.

326 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 8:08:04am

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY, MIDMORNING EDITION==>
I kind of think these bakers are not Jews. Just sayin’

327 FemNaziBitch  Apr 23, 2015 8:08:29am
328 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 8:09:42am

re: #326 Lord Of The Pies

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY, MIDMORNING EDITION==>
I kind of think these bakers are not Jews. Just sayin’

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I don’t think so either and I think it’s disgusting that this bigoted piece of right wing garbage is comparing gay people to Nazis. He/she really needs to have a cup of go fuck yourself. Sorry for sounding so vulgar but I am sick of right wing bigots likening gay people who just want a frigging wedding cake to celebrate their wedding to one of the most genocidal regimes in history.

329 Varek Raith  Apr 23, 2015 8:10:25am
330 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 8:10:34am

re: #326 Lord Of The Pies

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY, MIDMORNING EDITION==>
I kind of think these bakers are not Jews. Just sayin’

So how are all the conservatives on Twitter still tweeting about dictators and tyrannies and all that, how come they all aren’t in jail FEMA camps?

/

331 Lidane  Apr 23, 2015 8:10:42am

re: #319 FemNaziBitch

The more I think about it —I think he is trying to pander to what he thinks is his low-class, ignorant constituency.

He’s aiming firmly at the Duck Dynasty fan base.

332 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 23, 2015 8:11:43am

re: #326 Lord Of The Pies

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY, MIDMORNING EDITION==>
I kind of think these bakers are not Jews. Just sayin’

Analogies are hard for some people. I bet they did poorly on that part of the SAT.
dictator :: prisoner as legal code :: ?

a. victim
b. martyr
c. bigot
d. whiner

333 FemNaziBitch  Apr 23, 2015 8:12:36am

I missed this:

334 Lidane  Apr 23, 2015 8:12:37am

This is helpful:

335 Varek Raith  Apr 23, 2015 8:12:37am

re: #332 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Analogies are hard for some people. I bet they did poorly on that part of the SAT.
dictator :: prisoner as legal code :: ?

a. victim
b. martyr
c. bigot
d. whiner

RON PAUL

336 FemNaziBitch  Apr 23, 2015 8:14:35am

Not to invoke the Roman version of Godwin but, IIRC, Rome suspended schools also —toward the end. Funds were diverted to the military.

337 b.d.  Apr 23, 2015 8:14:40am

Can we go ahead and open up those FEMA camps already?

338 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 8:15:06am

GOP-Approved Healthcare plan for Minimum Wage workers==>

339 FemNaziBitch  Apr 23, 2015 8:15:27am

re: #337 b.d.

Can we go ahead and open up those FEMA camps already?

I’m allergic to formaldehyde.

340 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 23, 2015 8:16:56am

re: #336 FemNaziBitch

Not to invoke the Roman version of Godwin but, IIRC, Rome suspended schools also —toward the end. Funds were diverted to the military.

Parents need to be told of the connection between having rugrats at home earlier than before and the governor’s fiscal policies that put them there. And they need to be reminded every election cycle.

341 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 23, 2015 8:16:57am

re: #334 Lidane

This is helpful:

Who is watching the cows in Nevada?
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342 Romantic Heretic  Apr 23, 2015 8:17:34am

re: #208 Justanotherhuman

Could you expand on that? I’m not quite getting your meaning.

It means that ‘free trade’ is simply a method that allows corporations to avoid any sort of social responsibility from taxes to workplace safety.

NAFTA (Not A Free Trade Agreement) is typical. About 97% of the trade between Canada and the US before NAFTA was free, that is free of duties and tariffs. What it did was allow companies in the Northern States and Canada which had high taxation and standards of employment to move their operations to the Southern States and Mexico which did not. The result was that some places lost jobs while other places got those jobs but in a manner that did little to improve their prosperity. Corporations and the wealthy prospered immensely.

What ‘free trade agreements’ do is remove the ability of a nation and its people to regulate how business is conducted and give it to corporations. If the people try to do so the corporations simply bugger off some place where they won’t be bothered with such ephemera as ethics.

As I said, ‘free trade agreements’ have nothing to do with free trade.

343 b.d.  Apr 23, 2015 8:17:37am

re: #341 Feline Fearless Leader

Who is watching the cows in Nevada?
//

Looks like the perfect time to build a fence.

344 lawhawk  Apr 23, 2015 8:18:20am

It’s definitely worth a read, and of note, the family’s demands for relief are geared towards reforming Ferguson and the FPD and not merely demanding financial compensation for Wilson shooting and killing their son Michael.

345 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 23, 2015 8:18:55am

re: #329 Varek Raith

Islamic school in Australia bans girls from running over virginity fears
IT DOESN’T WORK THAT WAY.
e_e

Girls in some Muslim countries are similarly discouraged from riding bikes. See the movie Wadjda for an example.

346 Lidane  Apr 23, 2015 8:19:57am

re: #341 Feline Fearless Leader

Who is watching the cows in Nevada?
//

Someone who’s getting paid minimum wage.

347 FemNaziBitch  Apr 23, 2015 8:20:00am

Workers Say Walmart Closed Stores to Retaliate Against ActivistsThe action in Pico Rivera, California, is linked to a store that has been the center of labor organizing.

348 FemNaziBitch  Apr 23, 2015 8:21:28am

re: #342 Romantic Heretic

It means that ‘free trade’ is simply a method that allows corporations to avoid any sort of social responsibility from taxes to workplace safety.

NAFTA (Not A Free Trade Agreement) is typical. About 97% of the trade between Canada and the US before NAFTA was free, that is free of duties and tariffs. What it did was allow companies in the Northern States and Canada which had high taxation and standards of employment to move their operations to the Southern States and Mexico which did not. The result was that some places lost jobs while other places got those jobs but in a manner that did little to improve their prosperity. Corporations and the wealthy prospered immensely.

What ‘free trade agreements’ do is remove the ability of a nation and its people to regulate how business is conducted and give it to corporations. If the people try to do so the corporations simply bugger off some place where they won’t be bothered with such ephemera as ethics.

As I said, ‘free trade agreements’ have nothing to do with free trade.

Free Trade seems like a good idea, but in practice —eh …

349 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 23, 2015 8:21:55am

re: #347 FemNaziBitch

Workers Say Walmart Closed Stores to Retaliate Against ActivistsThe action in Pico Rivera, California, is linked to a store that has been the center of labor organizing.

If local small business downtowns are paying attention this could be the key way to repel the local Walmart intrusion. Help the local workers organize and say “booga booga UNIONS”.

350 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 23, 2015 8:23:09am

re: #348 FemNaziBitch

If corporations are for it, then it doesn’t pass the public good’s smell test.

351 FemNaziBitch  Apr 23, 2015 8:23:12am
352 FemNaziBitch  Apr 23, 2015 8:24:40am
353 FemNaziBitch  Apr 23, 2015 8:25:32am
354 No Country For Old Haters  Apr 23, 2015 8:25:43am

re: #295 Lidane

ROFL:

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355 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 8:26:34am

A whole bunch of people here are observing “Take Your Child To Work Day”

356 Varek Raith  Apr 23, 2015 8:26:42am

re: #353 FemNaziBitch

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To answer that sign’s question;
Clowns.
Jesus would hate clowns.

357 darthstar  Apr 23, 2015 8:27:35am

re: #336 FemNaziBitch

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Not to invoke the Roman version of Godwin but, IIRC, Rome suspended schools also —toward the end. Funds were diverted to the military.

Now kids in Kansas won’t finish the chapter on Creation and they’ll fall behind Louisiana.

358 FemNaziBitch  Apr 23, 2015 8:27:44am

re: #350 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

If corporations are for it, then it doesn’t pass the public good’s smell test.

Well, back when the only source of revenue a the government had was tariffs etc. —the whole free trade thing made sense. I mean it did get a big ridiculous with graft and other shenanigans. Getting government out of that business was a beneficial result of the Income Tax.

(still on that first cuppa, tell me if I got my timeline right)

359 FemNaziBitch  Apr 23, 2015 8:29:00am

re: #355 Lord Of The Pies

A whole bunch of people here are observing “Take Your Child To Work Day”

You should turn off your computer and go play with the kids. Tell them that Baba is going to spoil them rotten so their parents will never bring them back.

360 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 23, 2015 8:29:55am

re: #355 Lord Of The Pies

A whole bunch of people here are observing “Take Your Child To Work Day”

We had a very low (might have been nil) turnout for that here. Combination of issues I think. Up here in IT it was most employees not having children, or all of them are too old (e.g. college-age or older).

361 retired cynic  Apr 23, 2015 8:30:10am

Listening to Sen. Klobuchar rip into Sen. Cruz after his extremely nasty speech on the Senate floor against Loretta Lynch. Lord, I could give her a hug!!!

362 darthstar  Apr 23, 2015 8:30:20am

Suck it, McCain

363 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 8:30:26am

Amy Klobuchar is absolutely nailing Ted Cruz’s ass right now for calling Loretta Lynch “lawless” over the subject of executive orders and immigration.

364 retired cynic  Apr 23, 2015 8:30:59am

re: #363 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just a few seconds!

365 FemNaziBitch  Apr 23, 2015 8:31:38am

I actually am a fan of the corporate structure. It’s done more for human beings, I think than any other business structure. I mean, have you been to a dollar store?

We can have oranges and mangos all year round for a couple of bucks. We ALL have cell phones. Very few go without shoes. (I still cringe that Frank McCourt reported that he didn’t have shoes in Hell’s Kitchen in the winter—Angela’s Ashes).

You get my point. It’s just that, well, humans . . .

366 retired cynic  Apr 23, 2015 8:32:03am

And Sen. Feinstein is following up with a shovel.

367 Varek Raith  Apr 23, 2015 8:32:28am

re: #362 darthstar

Suck it, McCain

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Well, yeah.
If I were an Iranian boat captain and saw what I had to run, I’d be all “Screw you guys, I’m going home.”

368 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 8:33:35am

re: #360 Feline Fearless Leader

We had a very low (might have been nil) turnout for that here. Combination of issues I think. Up here in IT it was most employees not having children, or all of them are too old (e.g. college-age or older).

In 2002 I grought 3 of my kids (all teenagers) to “Take Your Child To Work Day”

My daughters were like “This blows, let’s go to the mall!”

My son made a portfolio of his HTML and school graphics projects, full of Comic Sans, animated gifs and horrible clashing background & font colors.

He spent the entire day with graphics designers and actually learned something.

369 darthstar  Apr 23, 2015 8:34:08am

Morning joy.

370 FemNaziBitch  Apr 23, 2015 8:34:45am

I think my response to the minimum wage snobs is going to be “who does the work?”

371 lawhawk  Apr 23, 2015 8:35:19am
373 iossarian  Apr 23, 2015 8:37:17am

re: #368 Lord Of The Pies

My son made a portfolio of his HTML and school graphics projects, full of Comic Sans, animated gifs and horrible clashing background & font colors.

Your son sounds like he could make a living doing right-wing grift/donation sites.

“Click here to donate $10 to defeat libruls.”

374 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 8:37:49am

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY, LUNCHTIME EDITION==>

375 BeenHereAwhile  Apr 23, 2015 8:38:10am

re: #288 Lord Of The Pies

Vanna must be getting on in years. Male game show hosts can be 170 but the females have to have perky boobs and long thin legs.

Vanna sells yarn.

lionbrand.com

376 iossarian  Apr 23, 2015 8:38:43am

re: #369 darthstar

Morning joy.
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Video

Haha. Reminds me of the Bill Bryson “Lost Continent” opening when he talks about Iowa farmers coming into Des Moines to ride up and down the moving staircase.

377 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 8:39:46am

re: #352 FemNaziBitch

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This is why I don’t worry about Shariah happening here. I do worry more about Evangelicals trying to make some form of Christian law because A) more of them refuse to accept separation of church and state than American Muslims and B) American Muslims don’t have politicians willing to do their bidding like Evangelicals do.

378 FemNaziBitch  Apr 23, 2015 8:40:09am

Finding Our False Beliefs

8. You don’t understand the arguments of those that disagree with you, or see how they could believe what they believe (e.g. you know that a fetus is obviously a person). When you don’t understand contrary opinions, it is an indicator that you have mainly researched one side of an issue, and so are less likely to have really weighed the strength of arguments on all sides.

379 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 8:40:41am

re: #374 Lord Of The Pies

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY, LUNCHTIME EDITION==>

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You mean stupidest meme of the day 11:40 AM EST edition? And this from the party and ideology that champions hiding taxes on offshore havens. They really have no sense of self awareness at all.

380 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 8:41:52am

McCaskill just called her “Loretta Lynn”.

heh…

381 retired cynic  Apr 23, 2015 8:42:13am

And, oh, you should hear Sen. McCaskill pounding the table. She just called Sen. Cruz disgusting.

382 FemNaziBitch  Apr 23, 2015 8:43:12am

re: #374 Lord Of The Pies

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY, LUNCHTIME EDITION==>

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oh yeah, DEMONcrats are all black poor people, undocumented people of spanish descent and hippies.

None of them have college degrees, get hired by corporations or earn enough to pay taxes (if they do, they are all tax evaders)

/gah

383 Stephen T.  Apr 23, 2015 8:43:27am

re: #370 FemNaziBitch

I think my response to the minimum wage snobs is going to be “who does the work?”

The problem with this is that most minimum wage snobs see the person who sits in their office, takes meetings and drinks coffee, (ie, the manager/CEO/Owner) does far more work than the person who actually does the physical labor.

384 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 23, 2015 8:43:44am

Almost midnight here now. See you all later.

385 retired cynic  Apr 23, 2015 8:44:37am

Vote on Lynch nomination starting.

386 Eventual Carrion  Apr 23, 2015 8:45:07am

re: #355 Lord Of The Pies

A whole bunch of people here are observing “Take Your Child To Work Day”

Same here. But I get to grab a burger that they are supplying for them (and us), so there is that. I should have grabbed one off the grill before they took them over to the other building after cooking them at my building. I will swoop in after they are done.

387 FemNaziBitch  Apr 23, 2015 8:46:06am

bbl

388 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 8:50:29am

re: #374 Lord Of The Pies

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY, LUNCHTIME EDITION==>

Another hard-working conservative American patriot wingnut spending their day on Twitter.

389 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 8:52:14am

re: #382 FemNaziBitch

oh yeah, DEMONcrats are all black poor people, undocumented people of spanish descent and hippies.

None of them have college degrees, get hired by corporations or earn enough to pay taxes (if they do, they are all tax evaders)

/gah

The Romney Doctrine.

390 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 8:52:52am

re: #379 HappyWarrior

You mean stupidest meme of the day 11:40 AM EST edition? And this from the party and ideology that champions hiding taxes on offshore havens. They really have no sense of self awareness at all.

Well maybe that hipster is a trust fund kiddie who inherited millions?

391 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 8:53:10am

re: #385 retired cynic

Vote on Lynch nomination starting.

This is just the cloture vote, I think.

392 #FergusonFireside  Apr 23, 2015 8:55:19am

VB - what was that website for flights you used? Thanks!

393 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 8:56:00am

re: #392 #FergusonFireside

VB - what was that website for flights you used? Thanks!

bt-store.com

394 Justanotherhuman  Apr 23, 2015 8:57:21am

re: #372 Varek Raith

Elizabeth Warren is Not Telling the Truth About The Trans-Pacific Partnership Trade Deal

Getting some push back.

I feel vindicated for my earlier remarks on this issue.

395 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 8:57:42am

re: #382 FemNaziBitch

oh yeah, DEMONcrats are all black poor people, undocumented people of spanish descent and hippies.

None of them have college degrees, get hired by corporations or earn enough to pay taxes (if they do, they are all tax evaders)

/gah

HURR HURR!!!! TEH DEMOCRATS ALL WANTS EVERYONE TO BE TEH POOR & SIT AROUND & NOT WORK & TAKE TEH WELFARES & TEH FOODSTAMPS FROM ALL TEH HARD-WORKING REPUBLICANS WHO ARE TEH ONLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE TEH JERBS!!!!!!!!

396 blueraven  Apr 23, 2015 8:57:46am

re: #391 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is just the cloture vote, I think.

Only a simple majority for this vote is needed.

397 Lidane  Apr 23, 2015 8:58:23am

Please proceed:

Watching the RWNJs turn the 2016 GOP primaries into another mouth-breathing shitshow will be terrible for work, but hilarious to watch anyway.

398 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 9:00:02am

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY PART II, LUNCHTIME EDITION==>

399 Justanotherhuman  Apr 23, 2015 9:00:08am

BBL.

400 Ace-o-aces  Apr 23, 2015 9:00:08am

I’m going to regret asking this.

401 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 9:00:14am

re: #397 Lidane

Please proceed:

Watching the RWNJs turn the 2016 GOP primaries into another mouth-breathing shitshow will be terrible for work, but hilarious to watch anyway.

Well then where were all the gangbangers from Mexico in the 2010 and 2014 elections? Moar Obama and Democrat fail.

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402 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 9:00:41am

re: #397 Lidane

Please proceed:

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Watching the RWNJs turn the 2016 GOP primaries into another mouth-breathing shitshow will be terrible for work, but hilarious to watch anyway.

He doesn’t even try to hide the fact he’s a xenophobic piece of shit who would be flipping burgers if not for his Dad’s name, wealth, and influence,.

403 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 9:01:40am

re: #398 Lord Of The Pies

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY PART II, LUNCHTIME EDITION==>

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Another stupid wingnut doctor. The declaration of independence is NOT a legal document.

404 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 9:01:40am

re: #398 Lord Of The Pies

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY PART II, LUNCHTIME EDITION==>

Another hard working doctor on Twitter all day to talk about how after trusting god we all need to get all the gunz.

405 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 23, 2015 9:02:38am

re: #382 FemNaziBitch

oh yeah, DEMONcrats are all black poor people, undocumented people of spanish descent and hippies.

None of them have college degrees, get hired by corporations or earn enough to pay taxes (if they do, they are all tax evaders)

/gah

Last time I looked, all but two or three Red tates would be financially under water if not for the gov pushing Blue State tax money their way. The wingers always blow right past that one while they’re telling us How Things Are.

406 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 9:02:46am

re: #404 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Another hard working doctor on Twitter all day to talk about how after trusting god we all need to get all the gunz.

Why are there so many damn stupid wingnut doctors out there? Apologies to any doctors here but there seems to be a large amount of them? Not just on Twitter but also elected and aspiring office. See, Rand, Paul, Carson, Ben, or Paul, Ron.

407 blueraven  Apr 23, 2015 9:03:10am

Loretta Lynch is confirmed.

edit…oops, just cloture vote as Backwoods_Sleuth pointed out.

66 - 34

408 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 9:03:38am

re: #406 HappyWarrior

Why are there so many damn stupid wingnut doctors out there? Apologies to any doctors here but there seems to be a large amount of them? Not just on Twitter but also elected and aspiring office. See, Rand, Paul, Carson, Ben, or Paul, Ron.

Is Ron Paul a doctor?

Didn’t think he was but saw some “news” item on Yahoo the other day indicating he was.

409 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 9:03:40am

STUPIDEST WINGNUT MEME OF THE DAY, PART III, LUNCHTIME EDITION==>

410 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 9:03:40am

re: #405 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Last time I looked, all but two or three Red tates would be financially under water if not for the gov pushing Blue State tax money their way. The wingers always blow right past that one while they’re telling us How Things Are.

Virginia wouldn’t be one of the most prosperous states if not for blue Northern Virginia which the wingers love to hate on since we’re more liberal and actually over April 1865.

411 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 9:04:05am

re: #408 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Is Ron Paul a doctor?

Didn’t think he was but saw some “news” item on Yahoo the other day indicating he was.

Yeah he is. I think he delivered babies.

412 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 9:05:19am

re: #409 Lord Of The Pies

STUPIDEST WINGNUT MEME OF THE DAY, PART III, LUNCHTIME EDITION==>

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Then by your standards young stupid conservative, I shouldn’t be responsible for nuclear missiles. I guess you missed that part in civics class when they discussed the social contract. The whole “I shouldn’t pay for other people’s things” is just another illustration of how clueless conservatives are about how governments and societies work.

413 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 9:06:34am

re: #409 Lord Of The Pies

STUPIDEST WINGNUT MEME OF THE DAY, PART III, LUNCHTIME EDITION==>

Young Conservative on Twitter whose life experience has all been College Republicans and TCOT complaining about public schooling. Should the U.S. institute a China-like “one child” policy? For non-white, non-Christians of course. The Duggars and their 19 kids are fine.

/

414 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 9:06:45am

re: #412 HappyWarrior

Then by your standards young stupid conservative, I shouldn’t be responsible for nuclear missiles. I guess you missed that part in civics class when they discussed the social contract. The whole “I shouldn’t pay for other people’s things” is just another illustration of how clueless conservatives are about how governments and societies work.

It’s the whole Libertarian mindset, they think the roads just built themselves.

415 wrenchwench  Apr 23, 2015 9:06:46am
416 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 23, 2015 9:07:01am

re: #409 Lord Of The Pies

STUPIDEST WINGNUT MEME OF THE DAY, PART III, LUNCHTIME EDITION==>

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I’m confident that Young Asshat paid his or her way through K-12.

417 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 23, 2015 9:07:47am

re: #416 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I’m confident that Young Asshat paid his or her way through K-12.

His parents got him a janitorial job at the school at age 10 or so.
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418 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 9:07:49am

re: #411 HappyWarrior

Yeah he is. I think he delivered babies.

Dear sweet jeebus.

419 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 9:08:28am

The biggest lie that the wingnuts have come to believe and one that they believe due to shit peddlers like Rush, Hannity, etc is that the poor don’t pay taxes. Guess what right wing shit for brains they do. They still have to pay taxes when they’re making purchases at the store. Moreover, I’m more bothered by multi-millionaires who don’t pay their honest share in taxes than some guy making poverty level wages but that’s just me. I am not a stupid wingnut shit for brains who cries about greedy unions but thinks Ayn Rand’s philsophy was spot on.

420 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 9:09:05am

re: #418 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Dear sweet jeebus.

Yeah scary eh?

421 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 9:09:08am

re: #407 blueraven

Loretta Lynch is confirmed.

Now the GOP can get rid of Eric Holder who personally persecuted all the White Christian conservatives in America.

//

422 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 9:09:30am

GOP SENATOR HELPS STRUGGLING BILLIONAIRES MAKE ENDS MEET==>

423 Stephen T.  Apr 23, 2015 9:09:38am

re: #405 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Last time I looked, all but two or three Red tates would be financially under water if not for the gov pushing Blue State tax money their way. The wingers always blow right past that one while they’re telling us How Things Are.

There is a belief among some wingers that the only reason the Red states are so dependent on the Federal government is because the Federal Government is forcing them to accept Blue state tax money against their will. If they were to “go it alone,” either by seceding or by limiting the Federal governments ability to collect taxes in all states, then their economic dependence on Blue state tax money would cease and it would cause their economy to improve, and probably exceed the Blue states own economic stature.

Yeah, it doesn’t make any sense to be, either.

424 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 9:09:51am

re: #420 HappyWarrior

Yeah scary eh?

Yeah, at least Rand dr. Paul jr, was only messing with people’s eyes.

425 wrenchwench  Apr 23, 2015 9:10:58am

re: #380 Backwoods_Sleuth

McCaskill just called her “Loretta Lynn”.

heh…

I do that (in my mind) once a day.

426 blueraven  Apr 23, 2015 9:11:06am

re: #407 blueraven

Loretta Lynch is confirmed.

66 - 34

20 RINOs joined the Dems. //

427 Ace-o-aces  Apr 23, 2015 9:12:06am

re: #406 HappyWarrior

Why are there so many damn stupid wingnut doctors out there? Apologies to any doctors here but there seems to be a large amount of them? Not just on Twitter but also elected and aspiring office. See, Rand, Paul, Carson, Ben, or Paul, Ron.

I’m actually not sure of the political breakdown of my profession, but notice a lot of these wingnuts are older, coming from a time when there was less access to medical training for women and minorities.

428 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 23, 2015 9:13:30am

re: #423 Stephen T.

Phase 1: Collect Underpants
Phase 2: ?
Phase 3: Profit!

429 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 9:16:49am

re: #407 blueraven

Loretta Lynch is confirmed.

not yet. That was just the cloture motion.

430 retired cynic  Apr 23, 2015 9:17:05am

re: #426 blueraven

Not confirmed, but allowed a vote. The vote will go ahead after more debate this afternoon.

431 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 9:17:06am

re: #427 Ace-o-aces

I’m actually not sure of the political breakdown of my profession, but notice a lot of these wingnuts are older, coming from a time when there was less access to medical training for women and minorities.

True that’s a good point.

432 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 9:17:15am

re: #422 Lord Of The Pies

GOP SENATOR HELPS STRUGGLING BILLIONAIRES MAKE ENDS MEET==>

The Estate Tax?

433 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 9:18:00am

I’ll predict 61-39. Some of the ones that voted for cloture will still vote no on her confirmation because they know if they vote yes, mean things will be said about them.

434 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 9:18:26am

re: #432 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

The Estate Tax?

Free the multi-millionaires!

435 blueraven  Apr 23, 2015 9:18:39am

re: #429 Backwoods_Sleuth

not yet. That was just the cloture motion.

Oh heck, you’re right.

But in effect, it is a done deal.

436 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 23, 2015 9:19:43am

re: #372 Varek Raith

I really get a kick out of libs who say the president should have the authority to negotiate international treaties with Iran without congressional interference but get their panties in a bunch over trade agreements.

Bottom line is there is no “agreement” to vote on yet and until there is, and it’s been voted on, I reserve judgement on it. Also, as much as I love Rachel Maddow most of the time, her attempt to push the sexism card (Pres Obama calling Sen. Warren “Elizabeth”) was pretty sad.

437 Sionainn  Apr 23, 2015 9:19:52am

re: #368 Lord Of The Pies

In 2002 I grought 3 of my kids (all teenagers) to “Take Your Child To Work Day”

My daughters were like “This blows, let’s go to the mall!”

My son made a portfolio of his HTML and school graphics projects, full of Comic Sans, animated gifs and horrible clashing background & font colors.

He spent the entire day with graphics designers and actually learned something.

My kids went with their dad to his high school. He teaches physics. They’ll be in teams with the students playing Jeopardy. It was funny because last year, my 3rd grader was answering questions that her team didn’t know.

438 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 9:26:19am

re: #433 HappyWarrior

I’ll predict 61-39. Some of the ones that voted for cloture will still vote no on her confirmation because they know if they vote yes, mean things will be said about them.

Things will still be said about them. The NRA, the American Conservative Union Association for a Free America, and whoever else will probably be scoring the cloture vote for ideological purity, even though they hate Holder, too.

439 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 9:26:28am

Grassley going on and on about “Fast and Furious”…

440 Lidane  Apr 23, 2015 9:26:29am

Mah surprise, etc. —

While Pratt didn’t address the “sovereign citizen” movement directly, he told the caller that most federal laws are unconstitutional anyway and “should be stricken.”

“Well, I think you can make the same point with another argument, that the body of, the corpus of law and regulations you’re pointing to, almost none of it comes under the Constitution,” he said. “It gives powers to the federal government that were not given to the federal government in the Constitution. They should be stricken.”

441 gwangung  Apr 23, 2015 9:26:37am

re: #382 FemNaziBitch

oh yeah, DEMONcrats are all black poor people, undocumented people of spanish descent and hippies.

None of them have college degrees, get hired by corporations or earn enough to pay taxes (if they do, they are all tax evaders)

/gah

Just like all us Asian Americans who outwork you and overachieve you are all Republicans.

// (Guess I have to do that….)

442 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 9:27:02am

re: #439 Backwoods_Sleuth

Grassley going on and on about “Fast and Furious”…

He didn’t like the movie, either?

443 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 9:27:28am

Now with the IRS scandel…

gahhhhhh

444 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 23, 2015 9:27:35am

re: #442 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

He didn’t like the movie, either?

You mean the new one with the suped up Hearse?

445 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 9:29:53am

good fucking grief…Grassley is hitting every wingnut conspiracy crap talking point.

446 Varek Raith  Apr 23, 2015 9:31:07am

re: #439 Backwoods_Sleuth

Grassley going on and on about “Fast and Furious”…

An overrated movie.
;)

447 The War TARDIS  Apr 23, 2015 9:34:44am

re: #329 Varek Raith

The government should be intervening on this.

448 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 9:34:53am

re: #432 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

The Estate Tax?

No, this is about repealing REGULASHUNS!!!!!
What could go wrong?

449 Mike Lamb  Apr 23, 2015 9:35:52am

re: #398 Lord Of The Pies

With the amoutn of DERP flowing, I feel like you have to slow down with your nominations. It’s sort of like Olympic gymnastics, you can’t give a 10 to the first person on the apparatus…you need to see what is coming next…

450 Mike Lamb  Apr 23, 2015 9:37:13am

re: #409 Lord Of The Pies

Ya, he’s right…he doesn’t benefit at all from an educated public. And also, too, as well, am I subsidizing his church?

451 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 23, 2015 9:38:25am

re: #440 Lidane

Not surprising that wingnut constitutional experts ignore U.S. Constitution Article I, Section 8, which grants Congress the power to pass all laws necessary and proper for carrying out the enumerated list of powers.

452 Eventual Carrion  Apr 23, 2015 9:38:49am

re: #440 Lidane

Mah surprise, etc. —

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the corpus of law and regulations you’re pointing to, almost none of it comes under the Constitution

Where did these legislators get the idea that they could pass laws and stuff? Out of thin air?

453 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 23, 2015 9:39:11am

re: #445 Backwoods_Sleuth

good fucking grief…Grassley is hitting every wingnut conspiracy crap talking point.

Again?

454 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 9:39:27am

HURR HURR KETCHUP IS A VEGETABLE!!!!! ARE PATRIOT HERO REAGAN TEH GRATEST PRESNUT WHO EVER LIVED!!!!!
Also: that letter was written by a homeschooled 38-year-old, not an 8 year old

455 Varek Raith  Apr 23, 2015 9:41:09am

Nice to see freedom of ketchup is a priority for the wingnuts.
Or something.

456 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 9:43:43am

re: #455 Varek Raith

Nice to see freedom of ketchup is a priority for the wingnuts.
Or something.

I have a very hard time believing that an 8-year-old actually wrote that. My 8-year-old grandkids have much better handwriting and grasp of facts.

457 wrenchwench  Apr 23, 2015 9:46:12am
458 Lidane  Apr 23, 2015 9:46:42am

Looks like some folks don’t want Obamacare to be an issue next year:

Wonder what Ted Cruz thinks of that.

459 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 9:47:32am

re: #458 Lidane

Looks like some folks don’t want Obamacare to be an issue next year:

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Wonder what Ted Cruz thinks of that.

It will give him something to do if he’s elected.

460 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 23, 2015 9:47:43am
461 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 23, 2015 9:50:00am

Just for the lulz:
Fuller House: Olsen Twins ‘Shocked,’ Caught Off Guard By Full House Revival

Note their shocked expression. Oh, wait, they are the Olsen Twins: that’s their only expression.

462 #FergusonFireside  Apr 23, 2015 9:50:16am

If you want to get info on the lawsuit filed by Michael Brown’s parents, please check this timeline

@tchopstl

463 Lidane  Apr 23, 2015 9:52:15am

re: #461 Higgs Boson’s Mate

What do either of them even do anymore? Their sister is in the new Avengers film, but I haven’t seen anything about them in years that doesn’t involve some kind of tabloid hooey and them looking vacant and bored.

464 Timothy Watson  Apr 23, 2015 9:55:27am

re: #454 Lord Of The Pies

HURR HURR KETCHUP IS A VEGETABLE!!!!! ARE PATRIOT HERO REAGAN TEH GRATEST PRESNUT WHO EVER LIVED!!!!!
Also: that letter was written by a homeschooled 38-year-old, not an 8 year old

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The fact that they used a picture of Ashton Kutcher from That ’70s Show tells me enough.

465 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 9:57:26am

re: #464 Timothy Watson

The fact that they used a picture of Ashton Kutcher from That ’70s Show tells me enough.

I thought that was Dana Loesch. Shows how much I know.

466 Lidane  Apr 23, 2015 10:00:48am

Rand Paul could not be reached for comment:

467 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 10:04:48am

re: #466 Lidane

Rand Paul could not be reached for comment:

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nor Glenn Greenwald.

468 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 23, 2015 10:06:07am

re: #463 Lidane

What do either of them even do anymore? Their sister is in the new Avengers film, but I haven’t seen anything about them in years that doesn’t involve some kind of tabloid hooey and them looking vacant and bored.

I think that they get bored between bitch-fits.

469 b.d.  Apr 23, 2015 10:07:23am

re: #467 HappyWarrior

nor Glenn Greenwald.

Greenwald will only whine about the Dems who vote for it and give all of the Rs a pass like he always does.

470 darthstar  Apr 23, 2015 10:12:17am

re: #469 b.d.

Greenwald will only whine about the Dems who vote for it and give all of the Rs a pass like he always does.

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BWD said it best this morning:

471 Ace-o-aces  Apr 23, 2015 10:13:02am
472 darthstar  Apr 23, 2015 10:13:21am

Okay…battery about dead on this laptop, and the dog tripped over the cord last night breaking the tip off the cable, so I had to order a replacement cord - that means I’m going dark for a while, unless I want to ride the wild side on my wife’s Windows 8 laptop.

473 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 23, 2015 10:14:39am

re: #469 b.d.

Greenwald will only whine about the Dems who vote for it and give all of the Rs a pass like he always does.

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Like I always say; scratch a libertarian and you’ll get bullshit all over yourself.

474 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 23, 2015 10:16:02am

re: #472 darthstar

Okay…battery about dead on this laptop, and the dog tripped over the cord last night breaking the tip off the cable, so I had to order a replacement cord - that means I’m going dark for a while, unless I want to ride the wild side on my wife’s Windows 8 laptop.

Q: How can you tell if a laptop is running Windows 8?
A: By the fingerprints all over the screen.

475 Lidane  Apr 23, 2015 10:19:33am
476 #FergusonFireside  Apr 23, 2015 10:21:53am

Great pix of Bear the Cat

477 Kragar  Apr 23, 2015 10:21:54am

Holy shit, this means I might be able to engage in regular exercise with out gasping and coughing myself raw again.

478 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 10:23:08am

re: #455 Varek Raith

Nice to see freedom of ketchup is a priority for the wingnuts.
Or something.

Ketchup is in the same league as The Big Gulp. Highly Patriotic American stuff.

/

479 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 10:23:57am

re: #454 Lord Of The Pies

HURR HURR KETCHUP IS A VEGETABLE!!!!! ARE PATRIOT HERO REAGAN TEH GRATEST PRESNUT WHO EVER LIVED!!!!!
Also: that letter was written by a homeschooled 38-year-old, not an 8 year old

Must be terrible to be a wingnut—so Troubled by Michelle Obama.

480 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 10:25:05am

re: #454 Lord Of The Pies

HURR HURR KETCHUP IS A VEGETABLE!!!!! ARE PATRIOT HERO REAGAN TEH GRATEST PRESNUT WHO EVER LIVED!!!!!
Also: that letter was written by a homeschooled 38-year-old, not an 8 year old

I see this one is verified TGDN. A special kind of stupid.

481 freetoken  Apr 23, 2015 10:25:32am

re: #479 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Must be terrible to be a wingnut—so Troubled by Michelle Obama.

The Affront of Vegetable Gardens.

482 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 10:25:38am

Welp, yesterday Zedushka went shopping and he bought A BIG HUGE FREAKING BOTTLE OF BABY RAY’S BBQ SAUCE.

I’m like “Why did you buy this shit?’

He’s like “It was on sale!”

I’m like “I told you only buy Kraft because all the other brands are PURE HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP!!!”

He’s like “But it was on sale for like half the price of Kraft!!!”

Yep he’s diabetic.

483 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 23, 2015 10:25:56am

re: #478 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Ketchup is in the same league as The Big Gulp. Highly Patriotic American stuff.

/

Heinz ketchup and French’s mustard…American icons.

484 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 23, 2015 10:27:36am

re: #454 Lord Of The Pies

HURR HURR KETCHUP IS A VEGETABLE!!!!! ARE PATRIOT HERO REAGAN TEH GRATEST PRESNUT WHO EVER LIVED!!!!!
Also: that letter was written by a homeschooled 38-year-old, not an 8 year old

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that wouldn’t surprise me a bit, have you got a source on that so I can shut some people up?

RBS

485 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 10:27:50am

re: #475 Lidane

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L seven weenies.

486 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 10:28:20am

Zedushka also used to buy “low fat” salad dressing until I showed him on the label that:

1) “Low-fat” dressing has a higher calorie count
2) “Low-fat” dressing is loaded with HFCS

I make my own salad dressing because who needs that processed shit.

Did I mention that he’s diabetic?

487 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 10:29:23am

re: #484 RealityBasedSteve

that wouldn’t surprise me a bit, have you got a source on that so I can shut some people up?

RBS

I don’t know who wrote that actual letter, it could be a 3rd grader who is writing what his wingnut parents tell him, or it could be a 38 year old 3rd grade dropout. I was being Teh Snark.

488 danarchy  Apr 23, 2015 10:31:19am

re: #482 Lord Of The Pies

Welp, yesterday Zedushka went shopping and he bought A BIG HUGE FREAKING BOTTLE OF BABY RAY’S BBQ SAUCE.

I’m like “Why did you buy this shit?’

He’s like “It was on sale!”

I’m like “I told you only buy Kraft because all the other brands are PURE HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP!!!”

He’s like “But it was on sale for like half the price of Kraft!!!”

Yep he’s diabetic.

For what it is worth Sweet Baby Ray’s tastes an awful lot better than kraft. The original anyway, the other flavors have all been disappointing.

489 Kragar  Apr 23, 2015 10:31:40am

New York reports that while campaigning in New Hampshire on Sunday, Cruz claimed that he was “‘pressing’ McCain to hold hearings on allowing soldiers to carry concealed firearms on military bases.”

On Monday, McCain responded, stating:

“You know, I was fascinated to hear that because I haven’t heard a thing about it from him. Nor has my staff heard from his staff. Where did that come from? I have not a clue. I’d be glad to discuss the issue and see if we need a hearing, but it came as a complete surprise to me that he had been ‘pressing’ me.”

Twisting the knife one more turn, he added:

“Maybe it was through some medium that I’m not familiar with. Maybe bouncing it off the ozone layer, for all I know. There’s a lot of holes in the ozone layer, so maybe it wasn’t the ozone layer that he bounced it off of. Maybe it was through hand telegraph, maybe sign language, who knows?”

490 Lidane  Apr 23, 2015 10:33:29am

re: #482 Lord Of The Pies

I have an almost identical conversation with the boyfriend constantly:

Me: *points at obscenely unhealthy item* “Why’d you buy that?!”

Him: “It was on sale!” OR “I had a coupon!”

Me: “You realize it was on sale because this is pure garbage processed junk, right?”

Him: “But…but…sale! Coupon! Savings! Combo deal! Eleventy!”

Me: *sigh*

And he wonders why I’m far more inclined to go grocery shopping alone, or on my way home from work. Every time I let him loose in the store I end up with some of the worst foods imaginable in the fridge and pantry.

492 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 10:42:26am

I’ve finished my work for today (well, most of it).

Say “hi” to a little friend!

493 retired cynic  Apr 23, 2015 10:42:35am

re: #489 Kragar

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Maybe, but I just watched Cruz, McCain and Rubio being all buddy-buddy on the Senate floor, laughing together while they voted against Loretta Lynch.

494 Lancelot Link  Apr 23, 2015 1:21:39pm

re: #406 HappyWarrior

Why are there so many damn stupid wingnut doctors out there? Apologies to any doctors here but there seems to be a large amount of them? Not just on Twitter but also elected and aspiring office. See, Rand, Paul, Carson, Ben, or Paul, Ron.

What’s the difference between God and a surgeon?
God doesn’t think he’s a surgeon.

495 Great White Snark  Apr 24, 2015 10:32:04am

re: #477 Kragar

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Holy shit, this means I might be able to engage in regular exercise with out gasping and coughing myself raw again.

This would be life changing for Dragon_Lady


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