Video: Elizabeth Warren Says TPP Deal Is “Rigged”

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After President Obama said Elizabeth Warren was wrong about her objections to the Trans-Pacific Partnership deal, she appeared last night on the Rachel Maddow show to explain her objection to the process. In the interest of promoting a reasoned discussion on this deal (instead of what I see as a blizzard of propaganda) I’m presenting this video to you, dear readers.

I have to say, though, that it doesn’t strike me as unusual or unreasonable to keep draft negotiations of a sensitive multi-national trade agreement secret. One reason for doing so is illustrated by the reaction we’re seeing now — to prevent the deal from being undermined or even completely sabotaged by uninformed public pressure before there’s even a final agreement.

Meanwhile, there’s a detailed summary of the deal now online at the Office of the US Trade Representative; I recommend reading it for yourself: Trans-Pacific Partnership: Summary of U.S. Objectives.

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337 comments
1 Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2015 10:44:39am

For some reason the wrong video showed up when I first posted this - it’s fixed now.

2 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 10:46:42am

Lynch confirmation vote happening right now.

3 Great White Snark  Apr 23, 2015 10:47:36am

Okay, secrecy vs due process? Secrecy this time given the nature of the Senate? Mixed feelings here.

4 Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2015 10:48:26am

One of the main objections to the deal I’m seeing is the emphasis on intellectual property rights — but do these people realize how completely out of control piracy and theft of IP is in the Asian countries that are part of the deal? It’s absolutely rampant, and this definitely hurts the US economy, big time. Getting some control over this situation is a GOOD thing, not a bad thing, and if these countries will finally agree to respect the property rights of US creators that will be historic.

Yes, I have issues with some of the way the DMCA works. But the US is being badly hurt by the copyright chaos in Asian countries.

5 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 23, 2015 10:50:51am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

One of the main objections to the deal I’m seeing is the emphasis on intellectual property rights — but do these people realize how completely out of control piracy and theft of IP is in the Asian countries that are part of the deal? It’s absolutely rampant, and this definitely hurts the US economy, big time.

It also hurts the local economy: how can local musicians or film makers in Asia compete with Hollywood blockbuster hits when productions costs for the latter are next to nil?

6 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 10:53:37am

This Lynch confirmation vote is ridiculous.

7 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 10:54:27am

TCOT is having a massive Derpgasm over allegations that Hillary “sold U.S. uranium” to some Russian corporation.

But isn’t this exactly the kind of “Free Market” that the Republicans want?

8 gwangung  Apr 23, 2015 10:55:42am

re: #7 Lord Of The Pies

TCOT is having a massive Derpgasm over allegations that Hillary “sold U.S. uranium” to some Russian corporation.

But isn’t this exactly the kind of “Free Market” that the Republicans want?

I thought Putin and his crony capitalists were OK in their book?

9 Lidane  Apr 23, 2015 10:56:57am

re: #8 gwangung

I thought Putin and his crony capitalists were OK in their book?

Only when they actively persecute teh ghey.

If we sell Putin anything the RWNJ reflexive derp about filthy commies comes into play.

10 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 10:57:35am

There are enough aye votes recorded now, Loretta Lynch is our new AG.

11 Lidane  Apr 23, 2015 10:58:10am

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

There are enough aye votes recorded now, Loretta Lynch is our new AG.

And the GOP only kept Eric Holder around for what, another 6 months after he wanted to leave?

12 wrenchwench  Apr 23, 2015 10:58:52am

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

There are enough aye votes recorded now, Loretta Lynch is our new AG.

Good. Now let’s get rid of the Hyde Amendment.

13 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 11:04:00am

Vote: 56-43

14 Targetpractice  Apr 23, 2015 11:05:20am

re: #7 Lord Of The Pies

TCOT is having a massive Derpgasm over allegations that Hillary “sold U.S. uranium” to some Russian corporation.

But isn’t this exactly the kind of “Free Market” that the Republicans want?

The allegations are from the “tell-all” book that the Grey Lady is pimping on behalf of Rupert Murdoch. Thing is, Time Magazine did the legwork to actually investigate if there’s anything to the allegations. And wouldn’t you know it, everybody they talked to at the State Department says she was never a part of the negotiations, and that State was only one of nine agencies who had to give approval for the deal to go through.

15 Amory Blaine  Apr 23, 2015 11:06:14am

I want pressure being applied from the left because working people have concerns about how this affects them. Having said that I don’t think it’s good strategy to box yourself into a position, considering widespread sympathy for the concerns give enough political advantage to focus where that energy may be needed as info develops. Rather than an impotent ragegasm that has the potential to put negative pressure on an ally in Obama if rwnj pounce on it.

16 Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2015 11:06:19am
17 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 11:07:58am

TCOT DerpRagegasm begins==>

18 Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2015 11:09:40am

Sheesh. I posted a tweet about reading the TPP summary and not seeing where all the hostility was coming from, and got immediately swarmed by angry people.

19 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 11:09:40am
20 De Kolta Chair  Apr 23, 2015 11:10:05am

BREAKING NEWS: Tammy Wynette Fans Outraged By Loretta Lynn Confirmation

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21 Targetpractice  Apr 23, 2015 11:10:07am

re: #17 Lord Of The Pies

TCOT DerpRagegasm begins==>

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Wait a sec, haven’t the wingnuts been sure for weeks that the White House has a vendetta against Hillary because they read about it in the New York Post?

22 Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2015 11:10:24am

re: #17 Lord Of The Pies

I love that she spells out “rhino” like the animal rhinoceros. Our opponents are idiots.

23 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 11:11:57am

re: #22 Charles Johnson

I love that she spells out “rhino” like the animal rhinoceros. Our opponents are idiots.

This morning I got a Tweet from an actual wingnut saying “Your an idiot”

24 b.d.  Apr 23, 2015 11:12:00am

re: #17 Lord Of The Pies

TCOT DerpRagegasm begins==>

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What is Hillay supposed to be charged with anyways?

25 Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2015 11:12:13am
26 Targetpractice  Apr 23, 2015 11:12:46am

re: #24 b.d.

What is Hillay supposed to be charged with anyways?

Running for president while Democrat.

27 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 11:12:51am

re: #24 b.d.

What is Hillay supposed to be charged with anyways?

BENGHAZI!!!!!!!!!!!11!11

28 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 11:12:52am
29 Khal Wimpo  Apr 23, 2015 11:12:56am

OK, as I understand it, one of the big pieces of the TPP is a giveaway to the RIAA and MPAA studio types that Obama and the big-money (D) coalition have been milking for money the past six years (which is why there are choppers & traffic jams in my neighborhood every few months, when Obama comes for a dinner at some super-agent’s house).

Now this is coming out of a the Fight For the Future group - kinda associated with the EFF - which I tend to agree with a lot of issues. Trying hard to parse whether this is something to be concerned about - or if this is just a “well, this COULD happen” type deal.

[…] as of right now the Trans-Pacific Partnership will do all of the following:

Force sites to remove allegedly infringing content from the web without a court order - scarily similar to SOPA.

Create harsh criminal penalties for journalists and whistleblowers. Any disclosure of information with “commercial value” would be criminalized — and there would be absolutely no public interest of free speech exemption.

Punish Internet users who share copyrighted material, even without any personal gain. Here’s the proposed punishment from the leaked text: “sentences of imprisonment as well as monetary fines sufficiently high to provide a deterrent to future acts of infringement.” Again, that’s potential prison time for sharing something without any personal gain.

Limit Fair Use to make copyright even more restrictive on creative innovation. Last week, WikiLeaks revealed a series of emails surrounding the TPP where the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) explicitly argued against including any fair use provisions. And it looks pretty clear that if the TPP passes, they’ll have their way. That means remixes, sampling, and quoting of copyrighted material could become illegal outside the US.

Allow foreign corporations to sue the United States government if they think that our laws infringe on their profits. This is, quite simply, the most devastating part of the Trans-Pacific Partnership. It opens the door to undermining every good law we’ve ever passed to protect the Internet — the only thing corporations have to do is prove they could make more money if those laws didn’t exist.

In short, the TPP isn’t just bad — it’s zombie bad. It has parts of every misguided Internet policy we’ve killed over the last decade trying to become law by completely bypassing every part of our democratic process.

30 wrenchwench  Apr 23, 2015 11:12:57am

re: #18 Charles Johnson

Sheesh. I posted a tweet about reading the TPP summary and not seeing where all the hostility was coming from, and got immediately swarmed by angry people.

Takes angry people to show where all the hostility is coming from.

31 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 11:14:19am

TAKE YOUR CHILD TO WORK DAY

32 b.d.  Apr 23, 2015 11:15:13am

re: #27 Lord Of The Pies

BENGHAZI!!!!!!!!!!!11!11

Don’t we need moar commissions? Has Gowdy secretly folded up his Benghazi circus tent?

33 Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2015 11:15:38am

I just watched the Elizabeth Warren segment above for the second time and it’s striking how murky her objections are. Since the deal is classified she isn’t allowed to get into specifics - I understand that. But to be honest she sounds a bit like a conspiracy nut here. Surely she could have at least gone into detail about the parts covered in the public summary, and explained her objections.

I’m kind of disappointed in her reaction to this. If it’s really a bad deal explain why, don’t mutter about “people tell me the public wouldn’t like it if they knew what was in it.” That’s bullshit.

34 Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2015 11:17:56am

re: #29 Khal Wimpo

I’m really skeptical about pronouncements based on old drafts leaked through Wikileaks. I’ve also been pretty positive about the EFF in the past, but much less so since they increased their partnership with Wikileaks, who I do not believe should be trusted.

35 Khal Wimpo  Apr 23, 2015 11:18:19am

Basically, as I read the internet-related provisions of TPP, it’s a wishlist for all the angry music/movie guys who are still butthurt over BitTorrent sites. And I get that. Piracy is out of control.

But their remedies for piracy are the internet equivalent of summary field executions. This is the kind of stuff that we pushed through in Russia … and then Putin’s guys used the anti-piracy laws as pretexts to seize the computers of an opposition party members, or pro-democracy bloggers, because you could be sure that somewhere on those hard drives was something that was pirated.

Jail time for sharing songs or downloading movies?

We’re about to see the farcical show trials that were in vogue for a while after Napster hit, come back again with a vengeance.

36 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 11:19:10am

I admit to having some suspicions that the TPP can’t be good for the American worker.

But when I started this job 3 years ago, we supported USA and Mexico. Since then we have added call centers in Asia-Pacific, South America, and Europe. And it’s all coordinated here in the U.S. and HIRING HIRING HIRING HIRING.

37 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 11:19:50am

re: #19 Lord Of The Pies

The GOP Senate just confirmed an AG who openly promised to violate the Constitution in support of the WH do or say stuff I don’t like! #TCOT — TrulyConservative (@AmericaAscend) April 23, 2015

38 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 11:21:16am

re: #17 Lord Of The Pies

TCOT DerpRagegasm begins==>

Another hard-working TCOT spending their day complaining on Twitter.

39 Khal Wimpo  Apr 23, 2015 11:23:03am

re: #34 Charles Johnson

I’m really skeptical about pronouncements based on old drafts leaked through Wikileaks. I’ve also been pretty positive about the EFF in the past, but much less so since they increased their partnership with Wikileaks, who I do not believe should be trusted.

Yeah, I get that too. I’m a big fan of freedom of information, but the Wikileaks types seem very cavalier about the real-world impacts that their ivory-tower theories have. Much the same way that libertarians ignore reality.

Still. If - and I know this is a big if - the TPP basically contains provisions to allow peremptory DMCA takedowns until proven innocent — imagine how much fun angry shitheels like CCJ and your stalkers will have bombarding LGF and taking this site down over & over again when us commenters link/embed materials from some 3rd party news site?

40 No Country For Old Haters  Apr 23, 2015 11:23:22am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

One of the main objections to the deal I’m seeing is the emphasis on intellectual property rights — but do these people realize how completely out of control piracy and theft of IP is in the Asian countries that are part of the deal? It’s absolutely rampant, and this definitely hurts the US economy, big time. Getting some control over this situation is a GOOD thing, not a bad thing, and if these countries will finally agree to respect the property rights of US creators that will be historic.

Yes, I have issues with some of the way the DMCA works. But the US is being badly hurt by the copyright chaos in Asian countries.

When they roll copyright back to 28 years, I’ll accept the US dictating copyright terms. As it is with copyright locking down our culture to protect profits instead of the public good, I can’t support it.

41 Kragar  Apr 23, 2015 11:23:26am
42 Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2015 11:24:45am

re: #35 Khal Wimpo

Again - this is based on an old, out of date draft of a proposal. I’d caution against accepting this at face value. The full text of the deal will be posted online for 60 days before it’s voted on. I’m willing to wait and see if it really is as bad as these groups want you to think it is.

43 No Country For Old Haters  Apr 23, 2015 11:26:30am
44 Targetpractice  Apr 23, 2015 11:27:16am

re: #42 Charles Johnson

Again - this is based on an old, out of date draft of a proposal. I’d caution against accepting this at face value. The full text of the deal will be posted online for 60 days before it’s voted on. I’m willing to wait and see if it really is as bad as these groups want you to think it is.

See, that part I didn’t know about. The way some have been talking, you’d think the President was going to demand a vote within hours of the deal being inked.

45 Khal Wimpo  Apr 23, 2015 11:28:39am

re: #40 No Country For Old Haters

When they roll copyright back to 28 years, I’ll accept the US dictating copyright terms. As it is with copyright locking down our culture to protect profits instead of the public good, I can’t support it.

AKA the “Make Mickey Mouse our property until the sun turns black” provision that Disney has used every time copyright is set to expire. The collateral damage that inflicts, all in the name of preserving the $$ for The House Of Mouse, is one of the things that holds back innovation and small business, in favor of existing megacorps.

Yes, the piracy is off the hook in Asia, LatAm, Africa, Eastern Europe, etc. But these are users who cannot/would not pay U.S. prices for content anyway. I worked in East Africa for a couple years. No way was some average guy going to fork over $25 for a DVD, when that represents a week’s wages. Or $2600 for the Adobe software suite.

People will pay a price that makes sense to them. When that is not possible - and demand remains inelastic - they will find other ways (aka black market).

46 Khal Wimpo  Apr 23, 2015 11:35:02am

re: #42 Charles Johnson

Again - this is based on an old, out of date draft of a proposal. I’d caution against accepting this at face value. The full text of the deal will be posted online for 60 days before it’s voted on. I’m willing to wait and see if it really is as bad as these groups want you to think it is.

OK, I ain’t gonna be screaming from the rooftops - yet. But as the Pulitzer that the NYTimes won just a few days ago testifies, since SOPA went down in flames, the studio shysters have been grubbily working out of public view to try to ram through laws to roll things back to the days when we all had to pay $15 for a CD with one good song and the rest being shitty filler on it.

At the very least, this calls for doing a few laps with the yellow flag out.

47 Lidane  Apr 23, 2015 11:35:53am

Freepers are taking the Lynch confirmation with their usual class and wit:

She shoulda been “Borked”.
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E’ffing traitors. I hope the first shots fired in the revolution or the dirty bomb goes off under their dome.
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D.C. Republican leadership is guilty of treason.

This woman told the whole Senate that POTUS is above the Constitution, and they confirmed her.
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“over issues extraneous to her job”. Like Enforcing the Frickin’ LAW!???
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And Eric Holder laughs all the way to the Supreme Court.
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Yeah, on the day that the president admits that he killed innocent people and takes full responsibility; the GOP approves an attorney general that will not hold him responsible.
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That was predictable. Proctology is reserved for Republicans.
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I’m sorry, apparently I’m confused about something: didn’t Republicans win a huge victory in November - taking control of both houses?
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Beware of the Senate! Since the corrupt, citizen-elected Senate approves of U.S. AG and justices, it’s no wonder that everthing that the Constitution-ignoring Senate does is “constitutional.”

The 17th Amendment needs to disappear.
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Woe unto those spineless squishes and assorted political prostitutes who voted to confirm this baby killer when they find themselves before the Final Judgement! And it goes without saying; Woe unto her, her chief executive all her other ilk, as well!
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Un-freaking-believable. Just unbelievable. I am speechless. The GOP has done everything within their evil power to ensure that conservatives have nowhere to go in this country.
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They all committed treason against the US Constitution with that vote. They swore an oath to defend the US Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic, and then they voted to confirm as head of the “Justice Dept” somebody who flat-out stated that POTUS does not have to obey the Constitution or laws passed by Congress. IOW, she OPENLY STATED that she is an enemy of the US Constitution, and these traitors voted to put her in the top cop position in the nation.

They should all be hanged. Every. last. one. of. them. After very, very public due process, of course.

48 Great White Snark  Apr 23, 2015 11:36:00am

re: #42 Charles Johnson

Again - this is based on an old, out of date draft of a proposal. I’d caution against accepting this at face value. The full text of the deal will be posted online for 60 days before it’s voted on. I’m willing to wait and see if it really is as bad as these groups want you to think it is.

The harshest critics are almost always way off base. They are not the kind to double check, rather these are the people most subject of all to confirmation bias.Seems a universal rule in and around Washington DC.

If any Senator had been in classified briefings, he or she would only be permitted to discuss older information specifically, and wind up sounding vague and weasel wordish. Nature of the circumstance.

49 No Country For Old Haters  Apr 23, 2015 11:36:54am

re: #47 Lidane

Freepers are taking the Lynch confirmation with their usual class and wit:

I hope the FBI and Secret Service are keeping an eye on these potential terrorists.

50 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 23, 2015 11:37:17am

re: #42 Charles Johnson

Again - this is based on an old, out of date draft of a proposal. I’d caution against accepting this at face value. The full text of the deal will be posted online for 60 days before it’s voted on. I’m willing to wait and see if it really is as bad as these groups want you to think it is.

Both sides are capable of attempting to set the frame of the debate before the facts are officially allowed to be released. Partially due to knowing human nature and that arguing on the basis of an old version in advance is going to give your version of the facts greater initial traction.

I am of the wait-and-see school on this as well.

51 retired cynic  Apr 23, 2015 11:37:54am

re: #47 Lidane

Good grief!

52 Targetpractice  Apr 23, 2015 11:39:04am

re: #47 Lidane

Freepers are taking the Lynch confirmation with their usual class and wit:

Good to see they’re taking it so well.

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53 b.d.  Apr 23, 2015 11:39:13am

re: #47 Lidane

Freepers are taking the Lynch confirmation with their usual class and wit:

I never knew that the Freepers were such Holder fans and wanted him to stay put.

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54 No Country For Old Haters  Apr 23, 2015 11:40:32am

re: #53 b.d.

I never knew that the Freepers were such Holder fans and wanted him to stay put.

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Of course you’re kidding, because Freepers can’t think things through like that, or they wouldn’t be freepers. Obama’s playing chess, and the wingnuts can’t even handle checkers.

55 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 11:41:10am

re: #47 Lidane

Lots of hard-working American patriot conservatives busy at work complaining about politics on the Internets.

Love the comment about the horrors of “citizen-elected” Senators. FREEDOM!!!!!

56 Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2015 11:41:48am

re: #47 Lidane

Pssst… this would make a great LGF Page… just sayin’. Come on in, the water’s fine. (That’s why there’s a little green button in your comment’s info line - to make it easy to run a comment into a page, and get a wider audience for things like this.)

57 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 11:44:12am

re: #47 Lidane

E’ffing traitors. I hope the first shots fired in the revolution or the dirty bomb goes off under their dome.

So patriotic American patriots Christians wetting their beds over ISIS coming over the border complaining Obama, Dems and liberals don’t love America openly advocate terrorist bombing of American institutions.

Good to know.

58 Great White Snark  Apr 23, 2015 11:44:15am

re: #45 Khal Wimpo

AKA the “Make Mickey Mouse our property until the sun turns black” provision that Disney has used every time copyright is set to expire. The collateral damage that inflicts, all in the name of preserving the $$ for The House Of Mouse, is one of the things that holds back innovation and small business, in favor of existing megacorps.

Yes, the piracy is off the hook in Asia, LatAm, Africa, Eastern Europe, etc. But these are users who cannot/would not pay U.S. prices for content anyway. I worked in East Africa for a couple years. No way was some average guy going to fork over $25 for a DVD, when that represents a week’s wages. Or $2600 for the Adobe software suite.

People will pay a price that makes sense to them. When that is not possible - and demand remains inelastic - they will find other ways (aka black market).

Nothing is well protected in Asia except Chinese interests. Not heavy equipment, not software, not even Apple. In China there are whole stores dedicated to faking out the consumer it’s a real Apple store. Tariffs etc can drop, but rights must be protected. it would be the Senate’s job to see to that.

59 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 23, 2015 11:45:09am

re: #47 Lidane

If Obama had nominated Alabama’s Judge Roy Moore the wingers would be presenting evidence of Moore’s communistic tendencies.

60 Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2015 11:45:13am
61 blueraven  Apr 23, 2015 11:45:48am

re: #42 Charles Johnson

Again - this is based on an old, out of date draft of a proposal. I’d caution against accepting this at face value. The full text of the deal will be posted online for 60 days before it’s voted on. I’m willing to wait and see if it really is as bad as these groups want you to think it is.

Agree. What is the big issue with waiting until the deal is posted? Then if Warren and others still have a problem, they will have 60 days to convince Democrats to vote no. Public pressure will be applied as well.

One big problem to me is that some Democrats are behaving like tea party folks. That is not good. Disagreements are fine, expressing caution is fine, but we do not need a nasty split in the party. I like Warren, but I think she is overreacting here.

62 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 11:45:55am

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

Vote: 56-43

I was five off. Thought it would be 61-39. Who was the one abstaination? Curious given that all 100 voted on the cloture.

63 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 11:46:30am

re: #60 Charles Johnson

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He’s such a pathetic piece of shit.

64 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 11:47:25am

re: #47 Lidane

Freepers are taking the Lynch confirmation with their usual class and wit:

I cannot wait to see FR the day Hillary is elected.

65 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 11:48:28am

Is this an actual Joni Ernst quote or is it a fake like a number of Sarah Palin & Michele Bachmann memes that have been going around?

66 b.d.  Apr 23, 2015 11:48:54am

re: #62 HappyWarrior

I was five off. Thought it would be 61-39. Who was the one abstaination? Curious given that all 100 voted on the cloture.

HAHAHAHA, LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE RHINOS [sic] AND THAT ONE COWARDLY LOSER.

Republican Sens. Kelly Ayotte (N.H.), Orrin Hatch (Utah), Lindsey Graham (S.C.), Susan Collins (Maine), Jeff Flake (Ariz.), Mark Kirk (Ill.), Rob Portman (Ohio) Thad Cochran (Miss.), Ron Johnson (Wis.) and Mitch McConnell (Ky.) all voted for Lynch.

Ayotte, Kirk, Portman and Johnson are up for reelection in 2016.

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), a Republican presidential candidate who said he would oppose Lynch, didn’t vote.

thehill.com

67 No Country For Old Haters  Apr 23, 2015 11:49:06am

re: #65 Lord Of The Pies

Is this an actual Jodi Ernst quote or is it a fake like a number of Sarah Palin & Michele Bachmann memes that have been going around?

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Fake

68 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 11:50:44am

BTW, the 56-43 Lynch confirmation vote adds up to 99 total votes.
Guess who was that one senator who didn’t vote?

Ted Cruz.

That’s OK, though, according to Amanda; because procedural votes are waaaay more important than actual final votes:

69 blueraven  Apr 23, 2015 11:51:05am

re: #62 HappyWarrior

I was five off. Thought it would be 61-39. Who was the one abstaination? Curious given that all 100 voted on the cloture.

It was Ted Cruz.

70 Dr. Matt  Apr 23, 2015 11:51:06am

re: #47 Lidane

Freepers are taking the Lynch confirmation with their usual class and wit:

E’ffing traitors. I hope the first shots fired in the revolution or the dirty bomb goes off under their dome.

And that poster probably has a pro-life bumper sticker on his 79 Ford.

71 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 11:51:46am

I can’t find the text of that statement at Des Moines Register.

72 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 11:51:54am

re: #66 b.d.

Thad Cochran (Miss.),

A little thumb in the eye to the wingnut lunatic fringe for attacking him and his wife in the last election.

73 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 11:51:58am

re: #62 HappyWarrior

I was five off. Thought it would be 61-39. Who was the one abstaination? Curious given that all 100 voted on the cloture.

Cruz

74 No Country For Old Haters  Apr 23, 2015 11:52:37am

re: #71 Lord Of The Pies

I can’t find the text of that statement at Des Moines Register.

We googled it the first time it was posted here, and got zero hits.

75 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 23, 2015 11:52:52am

re: #66 b.d.

HAHAHAHA, LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE RHINOS [sic] AND THAT ONE COWARDLY LOSER.

thehill.com

Cruz was too confused since he has been frothing at the mouth about both Lynch and Holder and got into a “Dog and Its Reflection” conundrum without being able to decide which he disliked most.
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76 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 11:52:55am

re: #69 blueraven

It was Ted Cruz.

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Oh man, that is perfect.

77 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 11:53:29am

I mean say what you will about those who actually voted against now Attorney General Lynch. At least they actually voted.

78 Khal Wimpo  Apr 23, 2015 11:53:54am

re: #61 blueraven

One big problem to me is that some Democrats are behaving like tea party folks. That is not good. Disagreements are fine, expressing caution is fine, but we do not need a nasty split in the party. I like Warren, but I think she is overreacting here.

Maybe it’s deliberate? I tend to shy away from conspiracy theory stuff, but could it be that Warren is firing away at the TPP from the left to give cover to business-friendly (aka what passes for moderate these days) GOP types to support the TPP?

It’s the kind of thing that Rove was always good at orchestrating - have far-right wingnuts criticize Bush as being too squishy, so that whatever law doesn’t get pulled any further left, because there are some that are claiming that it’s too left-wing already…

79 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 11:54:24am

re: #66 b.d.

Republican Sens. Kelly Ayotte (N.H.), Orrin Hatch (Utah), Lindsey Graham (S.C.), Susan Collins (Maine), Jeff Flake (Ariz.), Mark Kirk (Ill.), Rob Portman (Ohio) Thad Cochran (Miss.), Ron Johnson (Wis.) and Mitch McConnell (Ky.) all voted for Lynch.

Kind of surprised by these yes votes, actually. Today’s GOP has really lowered the bar for me.

80 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 11:55:29am

The only real yes surprise is honestly Johnson and I think he’s trying to remake himself since he knows Feingold is eager to get his seat back and he thinks voting for Lynch will make Wisconsin voters forget that he’s still a right wing shill.

81 Lidane  Apr 23, 2015 11:56:23am

re: #56 Charles Johnson

I’d absolutely turn it into a Page if I didn’t have client reports that need to be sent to Mexico. The Freeper and RWNJ freakouts over Lynch are the kind of thing that need to be expanded on, fo sho.

82 Lidane  Apr 23, 2015 11:57:14am

re: #64 HappyWarrior

I cannot wait to see FR the day Hillary is elected.

I suspect that JimRob’s head will explode in a patriotic blaze of glory.

83 b_sharp  Apr 23, 2015 11:57:29am

Damn, but you people are beautiful.

84 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 11:57:42am

re: #82 Lidane

I suspect that JimRob’s head will explode in a patriotic blaze of glory.

It will be priceless.

85 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 23, 2015 11:59:25am

A democratic people have elected
King Log, King Stork, King Log, King Stork again.

Because I like a wide and silent pond
I voted Log. That party was defeated.

;)

86 Ace-o-aces  Apr 23, 2015 12:02:49pm
87 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 12:05:45pm

re: #86 Ace-o-aces

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He really needs to come to terms with the fact that he’s a pathetic loser that has gotten through this life using his father’s reputation.

88 Nyet  Apr 23, 2015 12:06:16pm

re: #65 Lord Of The Pies

Rule of thumb: Comes from FB or Twitter? Too good to be true? Fake.

89 b.d.  Apr 23, 2015 12:06:30pm

re: #64 HappyWarrior

I cannot wait to see FR the day Hillary is elected.

I can’t wait until 4 days before the election where JimRob tells all of his rubes that he will be voting for that non-conservative, RINO, GOPe republican candidate that he swore he would never vote for after-all.

Just like last time.

90 Kragar  Apr 23, 2015 12:07:33pm

re: #86 Ace-o-aces

Did I mention how much this pissed me off?

91 Nyet  Apr 23, 2015 12:07:45pm

re: #89 b.d.

Did he vote for Mitt?

92 Lidane  Apr 23, 2015 12:08:22pm

THIS ASSHOLE:

Sure, Huck. Because ISIS were just sitting around waiting until we started letting gays get married. They weren’t actively killing people before that.

93 retired cynic  Apr 23, 2015 12:08:38pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

Wow.

94 b.d.  Apr 23, 2015 12:09:24pm

re: #91 Nyet

Did he vote for Mitt?

Yes. He had a big announcement on how Obama was so bad that the only way to save ‘Merica was to go ahead and vote for Mittens even though he swore from day one that he never would.

Just change the names and the same thing will happen again. Guaranteed.

95 Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2015 12:09:39pm

re: #65 Lord Of The Pies

That’s a fake quote. Seen it before.

96 Nyet  Apr 23, 2015 12:09:52pm

re: #90 Kragar

The content aside, it’s like the artist can’t draw. What’s up with the grimaces/otherwise unnatural faces?

97 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 12:09:53pm
98 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 12:11:45pm

hahahahaaa!

99 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 12:11:58pm

re: #95 Charles Johnson

That’s a fake quote. Seen it before.

I realized it was fake when I Googled for it at Des Moines Register.

I have seen similar fake quotes attributed to Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann.

When I tell a #UniteBlue that the quote is fake they say “OK thanks for letting me know, I’ll take it down” unlike when I tell a #tcot their Founding Fathers gun quote is fake, they call me a Communist and block me.

100 Nyet  Apr 23, 2015 12:12:21pm

re: #94 b.d.

Hehe.

freerepublic. com/focus/f-news/2951524/posts

101 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 23, 2015 12:12:23pm

re: #92 Lidane

THIS ASSHOLE:

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Sure, Huck. Because ISIS were just sitting around waiting until we started letting gays get married. They weren’t actively killing people before that.

Everybody knows that Muslims never killed Christians before now.

102 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 23, 2015 12:12:38pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

One of the main objections to the deal I’m seeing is the emphasis on intellectual property rights — but do these people realize how completely out of control piracy and theft of IP is in the Asian countries that are part of the deal? It’s absolutely rampant, and this definitely hurts the US economy, big time. Getting some control over this situation is a GOOD thing, not a bad thing, and if these countries will finally agree to respect the property rights of US creators that will be historic.

Yes, I have issues with some of the way the DMCA works. But the US is being badly hurt by the copyright chaos in Asian countries.

I don’t see how them agreeing to the deal is going to stop rampant IP theft in Asian countries. It’s likely a handwave.

103 ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2015 12:13:40pm

re: #44 Targetpractice

See, that part I didn’t know about. The way some have been talking, you’d think the President was going to demand a vote within hours of the deal being inked.

Hey all!

Regarding Targetpractice’s comment: this is why a lack of a real media anymore is problematic.

We can no longer count on getting any facts and decent discussion. We get supposition and panic because it sells. So, we end up having to dig around and find out ourselves what is going on.

And we all know, three-quarters of America will not spend a minute educating themselves, but they will spend days bitching about something they may be totally mistaken as far as understanding.

This TPP deal is a great example.

And doesn’t a lot of the supposition and overall bitching remind anyone of the ACA?

104 b.d.  Apr 23, 2015 12:13:54pm

re: #91 Nyet

Did he vote for Mitt?

Romney Supporters Banned From Free Republic

Free Republic is a pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-small government, pro-constitution, pro-liberty site. Governor Romney is none of the above. His record is that of an abortionist, gay rights pushing, gun grabbing, global warming advocating, big government, mandate loving, constitution trampling, flip-flopping liberal progressive with no core values. That and the fact that he is the chief architect and advocate for ObamaCare disqualifies him for any consideration whatsoever on Free Republic as a potential nominee for the presidency.

freerepublic.com

10 Days before the election:

And I guess hell has frozen over because as much as I dislike Romney’s prior RINO positions, I’ve decided I will make my anti-Obama vote count in the only way it might actually do some good. I will mark my ballot for Romney and vote straight Republican right down the ticket and no on anything that raises taxes, spends money or aids big government or helps greedy, thieving socialist workers unions. - JimRob

freerepublic.com

105 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 12:14:11pm

re: #82 Lidane

I suspect that JimRob’s head will explode in a patriotic blaze of glory.

Who is JimRob? The grand pubah of FR?

106 retired cynic  Apr 23, 2015 12:14:25pm

re: #103 ObserverArt

… This TPP deal is a great example.

And doesn’t a lot of the supposition and overall bitching remind anyone of the ACA?

Yes. Yes, it does.

107 Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2015 12:14:32pm

Meanwhile, Chuck’s SECRET CLINTON OPPO PROJECT has stalled out again at $1030 in 6 days. At this rate, he’s got about 227 days left to reach his $40,000 goal.

108 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 12:15:26pm

re: #104 b.d.

Principle!!!

109 blueraven  Apr 23, 2015 12:15:52pm

David Petraeus sentenced to 2 years of probation, $100K fine

110 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 12:16:08pm

LOLWHUT==>

111 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 12:16:11pm

re: #107 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, Chuck’s SECRET CLINTON OPPO PROJECT has stalled out again at $1030 in 6 days. At this rate, he’s got about 227 days left to reach his $40,000 goal.

Did you see this? (Joan retweeted one of Chuck’s oppo project tweets)

112 Nyet  Apr 23, 2015 12:16:56pm

re: #109 blueraven

IOW, slap on the wrist for the good ole’ boy.

113 Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2015 12:17:10pm

re: #109 blueraven

David Petraeus sentenced to 2 years of probation, $100K fine

In other words, a wrist-slap.

114 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 12:17:13pm

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

Did you see this? (Joan retweeted one of Chuck’s oppo project tweets)

CCJ is one classy guy, alright.

//

115 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 23, 2015 12:17:27pm

re: #102 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I don’t see how them agreeing to the deal is going to stop rampant IP theft in Asian countries. It’s likely a handwave.

Most of the IP theft I saw was very small scale and local. It wasn’t as if there was a giant factory just outside of Jakarta pumping out copies of “The Expendables.” Sure it costs us some money but a treaty isn’t going to do much to stop some guy from duping DVDs on a home computer and then selling them at the local outdoor market.

116 Kragar  Apr 23, 2015 12:18:23pm

re: #110 Lord Of The Pies

117 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 12:18:35pm

Chuck just woke up and started tweeting about Lynch’s confirmation.

118 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 12:18:37pm

re: #110 Lord Of The Pies

LOLWHUT==>

Another hard-working TCOT who’s hard at work tweeting about HRC demanding impeachment on the basis of stuff she’s just seen on Fox.

119 Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2015 12:19:07pm

re: #117 Backwoods_Sleuth

Chuck just woke up and started tweeting about Lynch’s confirmation.

Notice that it happened right after my last tweet.

120 No Country For Old Haters  Apr 23, 2015 12:19:49pm

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

Did you see this? (Joan retweeted one of Chuck’s oppo project tweets)

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121 lawhawk  Apr 23, 2015 12:20:45pm

re: #40 No Country For Old Haters

Congress has been playing games with the copyright duration for decades. And it’s gotten to the point where they’ve got a Mickey Mouse rule (essentially written to protect Disney’s rights to Mickey from going into the public domain).

I get that patents for drugs might need special durations, in part because of the time to pass through FDA approval and the safety gauntlet, but copyright is a different breed - that life of the author plus X should be sufficient and that additional extensions actually reduce who can use the IP openly. Allow the author and successor/owners to maximize their profits for a period of time, and let it pass into the public domain.

122 Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2015 12:21:00pm

re: #120 No Country For Old Haters

Chuck is such a creepy misogynist psycho.

123 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 12:21:18pm

re: #118 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Another hard-working TCOT who’s hard at work tweeting about HRC demanding impeachment on the basis of stuff she’s just seen on Fox.

HURR HURR BENGHAZI!!!!1!!!!!

124 b.d.  Apr 23, 2015 12:21:23pm
125 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 23, 2015 12:21:26pm

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

Did you see this? (Joan retweeted one of Chuck’s oppo project tweets)

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That boy puts the “ass” in “class.”

126 EPR-radar  Apr 23, 2015 12:21:49pm

re: #115 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Most of the IP theft I saw was very small scale and local. It wasn’t as if there was a giant factory just outside of Jakarta pumping out copies of “The Expendables.” Sure it costs us some money but a treaty isn’t going to do much to stop some guy from duping DVDs on a home computer and then selling them at the local outdoor market.

I agree with comments upthread that we need to see what’s in the TPP before we can really know whether it’s a raw deal or not. However the odds of it being a good deal are low if the usual suspects (i.e., chamber of commerce, US copyright goons) were the only interests that were taken seriously when putting it together.

127 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 23, 2015 12:23:39pm

re: #126 EPR-radar

I agree with comments upthread that we need to see what’s in the TPP before we can really know whether it’s a raw deal or not. However the odds of it being a good deal are low if the usual suspects (i.e., chamber of commerce, US copyright goons) were the only interests that were taken seriously when putting it together.

I’d like to know if the EFF and any labor unions had input.

128 Targetpractice  Apr 23, 2015 12:23:59pm

re: #124 b.d.

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I’m sorta curious what it was that caused this deal to fall apart.

129 Great White Snark  Apr 23, 2015 12:25:13pm

re: #113 Charles Johnson

In other words, a wrist-slap.

A higher fine than Prosecutors wanted. Apparently Generals get less good ole boy cover than police do. And yes given the gravity, a wrist slap. Absolutely should have included jail.

130 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 23, 2015 12:25:30pm

Idiot:
…

131 Eventual Carrion  Apr 23, 2015 12:25:44pm

re: #128 Targetpractice

I’m sorta curious what it was that caused this deal to fall apart.

No one was at home at Time Warner when the person with the installation/merger papers showed up (7 hours late).

132 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 23, 2015 12:25:49pm

re: #128 Targetpractice

I’m sorta curious what it was that caused this deal to fall apart.

Death threats from TWC subscribers who’ve heard about Comcast’s stellar customer service?

133 ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2015 12:26:21pm

re: #99 Lord Of The Pies

I realized it was fake when I Googled for it at Des Moines Register.

I have seen similar fake quotes attributed to Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann.

When I tell a #UniteBlue that the quote is fake they say “OK thanks for letting me know, I’ll take it down” unlike when I tell a #tcot their Founding Fathers gun quote is fake, they call me a Communist and block me.

tcoters are saying: “You’ll need to pry those unsubstantiated quotes from my cold dead brain!”

Oh wait…

134 EPR-radar  Apr 23, 2015 12:26:49pm

re: #121 lawhawk

Congress has been playing games with the copyright duration for decades. And it’s gotten to the point where they’ve got a Mickey Mouse rule (essentially written to protect Disney’s rights to Mickey from going into the public domain).

I get that patents for drugs might need special durations, in part because of the time to pass through FDA approval and the safety gauntlet, but copyright is a different breed - that life of the author plus X should be sufficient and that additional extensions actually reduce who can use the IP openly. Allow the author and successor/owners to maximize their profits for a period of time, and let it pass into the public domain.

US copyright is effectively infinite in duration. Nothing that came out after Steamboat Willie will ever go into the public domain by expiration of its copyright. Every n years, as needed, Congress will emit a copyright term extension with all the debate and drama of a Pez dispenser operating properly.

Idealists who believe in the public good will file suit against each copyright extension, which will fail in the courts, assuming Congress always keeps the copyright term finite.

135 Kragar  Apr 23, 2015 12:27:05pm

re: #130 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Yeah, I think most states would prefer not to implode into bankrupt shitholes, Grover, but that is just me.

136 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 23, 2015 12:27:31pm

re: #128 Targetpractice

I’m sorta curious what it was that caused this deal to fall apart.

The fact that they would essentially be a monopoly cable company made up of two of the most hated companies in America?

137 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 23, 2015 12:28:36pm

re: #128 Targetpractice

I’m sorta curious what it was that caused this deal to fall apart.

Carly Fiorina saying something about it looking like a good deal is my bet.
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138 S'latch  Apr 23, 2015 12:28:45pm

I am getting concerned about the Trans-Pacific Partnership. It actually does sound like it is a bad idea.

I am with Elizabeth Warren on this one.

139 #FergusonFireside  Apr 23, 2015 12:29:26pm

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

Did you see this? (Joan retweeted one of Chuck’s oppo project tweets)

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omg. that fuck always goes lower.

140 BeachDem  Apr 23, 2015 12:29:48pm

re: #68 Backwoods_Sleuth

BTW, the 56-43 Lynch confirmation vote adds up to 99 total votes.
Guess who was that one senator who didn’t vote?

Ted Cruz.

That’s OK, though, according to Amanda; because procedural votes are waaaay more important than actual final votes:

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Teddy was probably busy pressing McCain about other issues.
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What a waste of space is Cruz.

141 Kragar  Apr 23, 2015 12:31:49pm
142 Snarknado!  Apr 23, 2015 12:32:12pm

re: #126 EPR-radar

I agree with comments upthread that we need to see what’s in the TPP before we can really know whether it’s a raw deal or not. However the odds of it being a good deal are low if the usual suspects (i.e., chamber of commerce, US copyright goons) were the only interests that were taken seriously when putting it together.

I agree with all the above — and what we’re talking about right now is fast track authority, not the treaty itself. I’m agin it. Not that I think the current Senate is a great forum for discussing the individual parts of TPP, but it’s all we got.

And who knows, maybe all this will start after the next election, and the new Senate will be made up of people who will give serious and intelligent consideration to the treaty’s provisions. Now if you’ll excuse me, I need to go exercise my unicorn.

143 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 23, 2015 12:32:31pm

re: #130 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

That’s right, Grover, follow Kansas and wind up with a huge budget shortfall.

144 ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2015 12:32:55pm

re: #115 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Most of the IP theft I saw was very small scale and local. It wasn’t as if there was a giant factory just outside of Jakarta pumping out copies of “The Expendables.” Sure it costs us some money but a treaty isn’t going to do much to stop some guy from duping DVDs on a home computer and then selling them at the local outdoor market.

I knew a printer here in Columbus Ohio that was doing just that back in the early 90s. He was duping the CD booklets. He was cock sure he would never ever get caught…thought he was too small time. He got caught. He lost everything…all equipment, all paper stock, his building and his house. I think he even got a bit of behind-the-bars time.

And, all this stuff was being sold exactly as you said, at flea markets and small little shops and stores. All right here in America.

145 ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2015 12:33:52pm

re: #119 Charles Johnson

Notice that it happened right after my last tweet.

Gots to fight them damn stalkers!

Send money. /

146 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 23, 2015 12:34:28pm

The X-47B successfully conducted the first ever Autonomous Aerial Refueling of an unmanned aircraft April 22.

SKYNET was not available for comment.

147 Great White Snark  Apr 23, 2015 12:34:40pm

re: #144 ObserverArt

I knew a printer here in Columbus Ohio that was doing just that back in the early 90s. He was duping the CD booklets. He was cock sure he would never ever get caught…thought he was too small time. He got caught. He lost everything…all equipment, all paper stock, his building and his house. I think he even got a bit of behind-the-bars time.

And, all this stuff was being sold exactly as you said, at flea markets and small little shops and stores. All right here in America.

Every week some dude with bootleg discs works the Jewelry district. He knows to stay away from me. He’s a young guy raising a family so I have not called him in despite some temptations to do so.

148 Great White Snark  Apr 23, 2015 12:35:49pm

I remember the fast track arguments in the Clinton days. Bah, what appears to us is unlikely to resemble the actual forces at play.

149 ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2015 12:36:25pm

re: #125 Higgs Boson’s Mate

That boy puts the “ass” in “class.”

And, he can’t seem to use the left over “cl” to help buy a clue.

Maybe he really has a mild social adjustment problem. He has no social filtering at all.

150 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 12:36:26pm

ETA: this is in New Jersey

151 Nyet  Apr 23, 2015 12:37:26pm

re: #141 Kragar

Can we all PLEASE stop referring to this asshole as a journalist in any way & deny him credentials for everything?

Haven’t we already?

152 blueraven  Apr 23, 2015 12:37:49pm

re: #128 Targetpractice

I’m sorta curious what it was that caused this deal to fall apart.

Probably this:

This week, U.S. Federal Communications Commission staff joined lawyers at the Justice Department in opposing the planned transaction. FCC officials told the two biggest U.S. cable companies on Wednesday that they are leaning toward concluding the merger doesn’t help consumers, a person with knowledge of the matter said.

An FCC hearing can take months to complete and effectively kill a deal by dragging out the approval process beyond the companies’ time frame for completion. Justice Department staff is also leaning against the deal, Bloomberg reported last week.

153 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 23, 2015 12:39:15pm

re: #146 Shiplord Kirel

The X-47B successfully conducted the first ever Autonomous Aerial Refueling of an unmanned aircraft April 22.

[Embedded content]

SKYNET was not available for comment.

That little angel has also taken off and landed on a carrier underway. Manned aircraft are becoming obsolete anachronisms for many missions - as well they should.

“Off we go, into the wild blue comfy chair…”

154 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 12:40:51pm

re: #89 b.d.

I can’t wait until 4 days before the election where JimRob tells all of his rubes that he will be voting for that non-conservative, RINO, GOPe republican candidate that he swore he would never vote for after-all.

Just like last time.

of the time before that or the time before that.

155 Kragar  Apr 23, 2015 12:42:51pm

Oh gamer gaters

156 No Country For Old Haters  Apr 23, 2015 12:43:10pm

re: #149 ObserverArt

And, he can’t seem to use the left over “cl” to help buy a clue.

Maybe he really has a mild social adjustment problem. He has no social filtering at all.

I wouldn’t call it mild. He’s totally out of control.

157 Targetpractice  Apr 23, 2015 12:43:34pm

re: #146 Shiplord Kirel

The X-47B successfully conducted the first ever Autonomous Aerial Refueling of an unmanned aircraft April 22.

[Embedded content]

SKYNET was not available for comment.

Shall we play a game?

158 Kragar  Apr 23, 2015 12:44:24pm
159 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 23, 2015 12:45:22pm

re: #158 Kragar

Nothing shocks me with Arpaio.

160 Kragar  Apr 23, 2015 12:46:37pm
161 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 23, 2015 12:47:04pm

re: #89 b.d.

I can’t wait until 4 days before the election where JimRob tells all of his rubes that he will be voting for that non-conservative, RINO, GOPe republican candidate that he swore he would never vote for after-all.

Just like last time.

GOP Nominates Blind, Three-Legged Dog for President

Before the election: “I ain’t votin’ for no dog - especially one that’s blind and only got three legs.”

After the Election: “Well, I voted for the dog because “dog” is “god” spelled backwards.”

162 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 12:47:53pm
163 ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2015 12:48:46pm

re: #156 No Country For Old Haters

I wouldn’t call it mild. He’s totally out of control.

Yeah. I was referring to his self claim he is autistic. Some have said he might have Aspergers. I don’t know, but he is definitely not right.

I get creeped out every time Charles puts up that dumb image of the grin on his face holding an automatic pistol. I would trust him with any guns.

164 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 12:49:10pm
165 Kragar  Apr 23, 2015 12:50:36pm
166 Ace-o-aces  Apr 23, 2015 12:51:04pm

re: #158 Kragar

167 CuriousLurker  Apr 23, 2015 12:51:29pm

#FACEPALM

168 Nyet  Apr 23, 2015 12:52:19pm

…

169 Lidane  Apr 23, 2015 12:53:27pm

re: #105 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Who is JimRob? The grand pubah of FR?

Yes. He’s the one driving the lead scooter in the Wingnut Rally 2016.

170 Nyet  Apr 23, 2015 12:55:59pm

…

171 ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2015 12:56:28pm

Is it okay to hope Sheriff Joe Arpaio ends up turning in his badge, his guns, pays a huge fine and even gets a little sentence?

The fucker deserves it. You just knew that arrogant fuckwad rode roughshod over the law and people and only his bravura and the stupid idiots that bought it all kept it all going.

I bet if he is indicted it will be Obama, Holder and now Lynch’s fault.

Welcome to your new post Madame Attorney Journal.

172 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 23, 2015 12:57:33pm

re: #167 CuriousLurker

Misstep? These were not thew words of some street corner bigot, they were the words of the head of the Baltimore police union. He deserves to lose his job.

173 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 12:58:07pm

re: #167 CuriousLurker

#FACEPALM

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Yeah how dare they be angry. Fucking tired of this.

174 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 12:58:41pm

re: #172 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Misstep? These were not thew words of some street corner bigot, they were the words of the head of the Baltimore police union. He deserves to lose his job.

I bet you he won’t even be admonished for the choice of words.

175 Kragar  Apr 23, 2015 12:59:32pm

Immediately after the judge announced the hearing, Sheriff Arpaio tried to buy his way out of the mess—admitting his guilt and promising to donate $100,000 to a civil rights organization if the judge would cancel the contempt hearing. Judge Snow said no and the proceedings began yesterday; he will decide if Arpaio and four key deputies are guilty of civil contempt or perhaps whether the case should move to a criminal phase.

The hearing’s first day was explosive, and not in a good way for the sheriff. First, his lead attorney resigned, stating a conflict of interest since he also works for Maricopa County.

176 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 23, 2015 1:00:10pm

re: #170 Nyet

Paging Terry Gilliam!

177 ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2015 1:00:47pm

re: #174 HappyWarrior

I bet you he won’t even be admonished for the choice of words.

Well, Baltimore’s mayor just happens to be an African American woman. I have a feeling she is not going to take too kindly to this. Would not be surprising to see her demand he step down.

178 CuriousLurker  Apr 23, 2015 1:01:07pm

re: #175 Kragar

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Arpaio should’ve been in jail a LONG time ago.

179 Nyet  Apr 23, 2015 1:02:25pm

re: #176 Higgs Boson’s Mate

On steroids.

…

180 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 1:02:36pm

re: #178 CuriousLurker

Arpaio should’ve been in jail a LONG time ago.

wearing pink underwear and being housed in a tent in the desert.

181 CuriousLurker  Apr 23, 2015 1:03:01pm

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

wearing pink underwear and being housed in a tent in the desert.

LOL, yes!

182 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 1:04:33pm

re: #167 CuriousLurker

#FACEPALM

Yeah I think this was yesterday. Surprised it hasn’t generated more comment so far.

But anyway, according to the head of the police union, which runs our society, no one is supposed to protest or complain or anything like that when someone is killed in police custody. /

183 Eventual Carrion  Apr 23, 2015 1:04:35pm

re: #176 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Paging Terry Gilliam!

Ha, that was my first thought. Salvador Dali meets Monty Python.

184 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 1:05:30pm

re: #175 Kragar

First, his lead attorney resigned, stating a conflict of interest since he also works for Maricopa County.

I wonder why Bull Co—I mean Sheriff Joe—didn’t have private counsel before.

185 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 23, 2015 1:05:49pm

re: #171 ObserverArt

Is it okay to hope Sheriff Joe Arpaio ends up turning in his badge, his guns, pays a huge fine and even gets a little sentence?

The fucker deserves it. You just knew that arrogant fuckwad rode roughshod over the law and people and only his bravura and the stupid idiots that bought it all kept it all going.

I bet if he is indicted it will be Obama, Holder and now Lynch’s fault.

Welcome to your new post Madame Attorney Journal.

OK? Hell, it’s practically required.

186 Targetpractice  Apr 23, 2015 1:05:53pm

Worst. Socialist. President. EVAH!
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187 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 1:06:12pm

re: #175 Kragar

What exactly is Sheriff Joe accused of in this case?

188 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 23, 2015 1:06:41pm

re: #179 Nyet

Amazing talent. As if the Quay Brothers collaborated with Terry Gilliam.

189 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 1:06:52pm

LOLOLOLOL!!!

Hey Chuck-for-brains: just because you refuse to believe mountains of information about President Obama doesn’t mean the rest of us “know nothing”.

190 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 1:07:11pm

re: #186 Targetpractice

Worst. Socialist. President. EVAH!
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Yes but under Reagan black unemployment decreased by 68.5% and under Obama black unemployment has increased 39.4%. Or so say the TCOT’s on Twitter and I believe them of course.

/

191 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 23, 2015 1:07:42pm

re: #187 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

What exactly is Sheriff Joe accused of in this case?

Since Being An Asshole Torturer Wielding Official Office” isn’t an actual charge, I’m not sure. But he should be convicted.

192 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 1:08:03pm

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOL!!!

Hey Chuck-for-brains: just because you refuse to believe mountains of information about President Obama doesn’t mean the rest of us “know nothing”.

Remember when TCOT’s defended Romney for not releasing his tax returns?

Man, that was great.

193 Kragar  Apr 23, 2015 1:08:50pm

re: #187 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

What exactly is Sheriff Joe accused of in this case?

Civil contempt for failing to follow court orders from a previous case.

194 Targetpractice  Apr 23, 2015 1:09:48pm

re: #193 Kragar

Civil contempt for failing to follow court orders from a previous case.

Which, between yesterday’s testimony and today’s explosive revelations, could quickly become criminal charges.

195 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 1:09:51pm

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

It is a national disgrace that we know more about Ted Cruz’s college past than we know about Barack Obama’s.
— Charles C. Johnson

I don’t mean to concern-troll here, but, CCJ, man, you should know there’s no grift money to be had anymore from bitching about Obama’s college transcripts. That ship has sailed.

196 Targetpractice  Apr 23, 2015 1:10:48pm

re: #195 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I don’t mean to concern-troll here, but, CCJ, man, you should know there’s no grift money to be had anymore from bitching about Obama’s college transcripts. That ship has sailed.

That ship has sailed, circumnavigated the globe, and returned laden with exotic spice.

197 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 23, 2015 1:10:59pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

One of the main objections to the deal I’m seeing is the emphasis on intellectual property rights — but do these people realize how completely out of control piracy and theft of IP is in the Asian countries that are part of the deal? It’s absolutely rampant, and this definitely hurts the US economy, big time. Getting some control over this situation is a GOOD thing, not a bad thing, and if these countries will finally agree to respect the property rights of US creators that will be historic.

Yes, I have issues with some of the way the DMCA works. But the US is being badly hurt by the copyright chaos in Asian countries.

thank you sir charles for posting the tpp webpage!

198 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 23, 2015 1:11:07pm

re: #194 Targetpractice

Which, between yesterday’s testimony and today’s explosive revelations, could quickly become criminal charges.

God(dess) doesn’t love us that much. :(

199 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 23, 2015 1:11:14pm

re: #195 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I don’t mean to concern-troll here, but, CCJ, man, you should know there’s no grift money to be had anymore from bitching about Obama’s college transcripts. That ship has sailed.

Chuck is always waiting at the airport for his ship to come in.

200 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 1:11:37pm

re: #193 Kragar

Civil contempt for failing to follow court orders from a previous case.

Yeah but wingnut sheriffs don’t have to follow court orders but OMG the new AG Lynch says Obama’s above the law!!!!111 Treason to all the Rinos who voted to confirm!!!!111

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201 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 23, 2015 1:11:45pm

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

It is a national disgrace that we know more about Ted Cruz’s college

i wanna see ted’s college id cards

202 Targetpractice  Apr 23, 2015 1:12:29pm

re: #198 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

God(dess) doesn’t love us that much. :(

Arpaio just admitted under oath that he broke the law in order to investigate the wife of the judge who wrote the original order and is now overseeing these contempt hearings. I think Ol’ Joe’s ass may well and truly be cooked.

203 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 1:12:39pm

re: #199 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Chuck’s gonna have to go out and get a real job someday.

Oh, who am I kidding. Erick son of Erick, DimJim, Michelle Malkin, they haven’t had to work for a living yet either.

204 Kragar  Apr 23, 2015 1:12:55pm

Contempt hearing against Arpaio begins

It’s Sheriff Joe Arpaio versus a federal court judge. Today Arapio’s civil contempt hearing begins. U.S. District Court Judge Murray Snow *could* end up recommending criminal charges for Arpaio, if the judge chooses to go that route.

The judge is deciding what will happen to the Sheriff for disobeying his orders to put a stop to immigration operations that date back to 2011.

Several witnesses are expected to testify that the civil rights of Latino citizens has been violated.

A former U.S. attorney says he’s never seen anyone charged with criminal contempt and he isn’t ruling anything out.

So far testimony has shown Arpaio told his staff to disregard the court orders, failed to implement training he was ordered to conduct, continued to target minorities, and had his officers investigate the Judge and his family.

205 WhatEVs  Apr 23, 2015 1:13:07pm

re: #65 Lord Of The Pies

Is this an actual Joni Ernst quote or is it a fake like a number of Sarah Palin & Michele Bachmann memes that have been going around?

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This is apparently the real quote:

“We’re looking at Obamacare right now. Once we start with those benefits in January, how are we going to get people off of those? It’s exponentially harder to remove people once they’ve already been on those programs…we rely on government for absolutely everything. And in the years since I was a small girl up until now into my adulthood with children of my own, we have lost a reliance on not only our own families, but so much of what our churches and private organizations used to do. They used to have wonderful food pantries. They used to provide clothing for those that really needed it. But we have gotten away from that. Now we’re at a point where the government will just give away anything.”

From an interview at Iowa Public Radio.

206 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 1:14:54pm

Totally O/T but important news of which we should be aware :D

207 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 23, 2015 1:15:15pm

re: #205 WhatEVs

But we have gotten away from that. Now we’re at a point where the government will just give away anything.

Where do I apply for my Maserati Tipo 61?

208 Nyet  Apr 23, 2015 1:15:26pm

Throw Arpaio in prison, throw away the key.

209 Targetpractice  Apr 23, 2015 1:15:33pm

re: #204 Kragar

Contempt hearing against Arpaio begins

So far testimony has shown Arpaio told his staff to disregard the court orders, failed to implement training he was ordered to conduct, continued to target minorities, and had his officers investigate the Judge and his family.

And before the hearing, he admitted to destroying evidence, because he thought if he did that and paid $100K of somebody else’s money to a charity of his choosing, the judge would let him slide.

This is a man who has become absolutely convinced he’d untouchable. But I think when he involved the judge’s family, he went one toke over the line.

210 CuriousLurker  Apr 23, 2015 1:16:06pm

Since Sergey is posting weirdness, I learned about this guy the other night:

Louis Wain

Louis Wain (5 August 1860 - 4 July 1939) was an English artist best known for his drawings, which consistently featured anthropomorphised large-eyed cats and kittens. In his later years he may have suffered from schizophrenia (although this claim is disputed), which, according to some psychiatrists, can be seen in his works. […]

Mental Disorder

Dr. Michael Fitzgerald disputes the claim of schizophrenia, indicating Wain more than likely had Asperger’s Syndrome (AS). Of particular note, Fitzgerald indicates that while Wain’s art took on a more abstract nature as he grew older, his technique and skill as a painter did not diminish, as one would expect from a schizophrenic. Moreover, elements of visual agnosia are demonstrated in his painting, a key element in some cases of AS.[citation needed] If Wain had visual agnosia, it might have manifested itself merely as an extreme attention to detail. […]

en.wikipedia.org

There are a bunch of his cats on Google Images, and here are some examples from his Wikipedia page:

211 Eventual Carrion  Apr 23, 2015 1:16:30pm

re: #205 WhatEVs

This is apparently the real quote:

[snip]
Now we’re at a point where the government will just give away anything.”

From an interview at Iowa Public Radio.

And not even make them convert to get it!

212 EPR-radar  Apr 23, 2015 1:16:40pm

re: #204 Kragar

Contempt hearing against Arpaio begins

So far testimony has shown Arpaio told his staff to disregard the court orders, failed to implement training he was ordered to conduct, continued to target minorities, and had his officers investigate the Judge and his family.

That’s a really good start to these proceedings. I hope the judge throws the book at Arpaio as harshly as possible while still keeping things legal. It wouldn’t do to give Arpaio a chance to escape justice by over-reaching.

Of course it has to be noted that the real problem here is the majority of Maricopa county voters who affirmatively vote for a thug like Arpaio as county sheriff.

213 The War TARDIS  Apr 23, 2015 1:18:07pm

re: #205 WhatEVs

My friend says the same things about how churches and private organizations should be a safety net.

Never mind that these organizations never go out and help minority communities. I learned that in Colorado Springs. A city of 500k+ took in less than 100 Internally Displaced Persons from Hurricane Katrina.

None of the Christian Organizations raised a finger to help. None of the ones I saw in the city, anyway.

It was at least a contributor to my eventual conversion. Especially combined with how Islamic Relief went out and did a lot of stuff.

214 Eventual Carrion  Apr 23, 2015 1:18:19pm

re: #210 CuriousLurker

Since Sergey is posting weirdness, I learned about this guy the other night:

Here are a bunch of his cats on Google Images, and here are some examples form Wikipedia:

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Fractal cats!

215 bratwurst  Apr 23, 2015 1:18:51pm

Only Bloomberg seems to be reporting this:

Comcast Plans to Drop Time Warner Cable Deal

If true, this is a GREAT day for the American consumer.

216 The War TARDIS  Apr 23, 2015 1:19:35pm

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

I call cats fur babies…..

217 No Country For Old Haters  Apr 23, 2015 1:21:17pm

re: #213 The War TARDIS

My friend says the same things about how churches and private organizations should be a safety net.

Never mind that these organizations never go out and help minority communities. I learned that in Colorado Springs. A city of 500k+ took in less than 100 Internally Displaced Persons from Hurricane Katrina.

Colorado Springs is a wingnut city, so they’re not the help-the-poor kind of Christian. They’re more the hate-everyone-outside-the-cult kind. You can’t judge how much Christians help the poor based on those assholes.

218 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 23, 2015 1:21:35pm

re: #202 Targetpractice

Arpaio just admitted under oath that he broke the law in order to investigate the wife of the judge who wrote the original order and is now overseeing these contempt hearings. I think Ol’ Joe’s ass may well and truly be cooked.

I will believe it when I see him in hot pink prisoner overalls on a chain gang.

219 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 23, 2015 1:22:34pm

re: #217 No Country For Old Haters

Colorado Springs is a wingnut city, so they’re not the help-the-poor kind of Christian. They’re more the hate-everyone-outside-the-cult kind. You can’t judge how much Christians help the poor based on those assholes.

Colorado Springs, home of Focus on the Family and the Air Force Academy. Make of that what you will.

220 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 1:22:42pm

dammit

221 Nyet  Apr 23, 2015 1:27:30pm

How the fuck did this get 338,237,876 views?

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222 CuriousLurker  Apr 23, 2015 1:27:30pm

re: #220 Backwoods_Sleuth

dammit

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It turned cold here in Jersey too. It was 70° yesterday and the dogwood tree across the street finally bloomed so I was going to go out and take photos of it today. Unfortunately, the temp dropped down into the 30s overnight and I woke up freezing (because I left the bedroom window cracked open).

I think it’s supposed to warm back up by the weekend, so I guess the photos will have to wait until then. Hopefully, it won’t be too late as the blossoms tend to start drooping & turning brown pretty quickly.

223 bratwurst  Apr 23, 2015 1:29:09pm

Ok, other news organizations are picking up on this:

I don’t imagine this is going to improve service or pricing for either party (just had one of the worst customer service experiences of my life with Comcast yesterday!), but this is still a big win. You will never convince me it is in the public interest to have one giant company that is also a major content provider dominating broadband connections in this country.

224 Kragar  Apr 23, 2015 1:29:12pm

Arpaio admits he hired PI to investigate judge’s wife

News that Arpaio, an elected official who was once the subject of an FBI investigation that he abused his law-enforcement power, decided to have someone investigate a federal judge who is overseeing efforts to reform the Sheriff’s Office was met with gasps and murmurs in the downtown Phoenix courtroom.

Arpaio made the confession to Snow himself, after the judge questioned him about allegations made in a New Times article in June.

Snow took center stage after plaintiffs’ and defense attorneys finished their examinations with Arpaio on civil-contempt of court allegations.

After a few questions on the contempt and immigration matters, Snow shifted his focus to some of Arpaio’s more unorthodox operations.

Arpaio carefully skirted Snow’s line questioning at the beginning, and only under intense scrutiny provided detail of the covert mission.

Arpaio said he that he had come into the possession of an email from a tipster who said he had met Snow’s wife at a restaurant, and that she said Snow “wanted to do everything to make sure I’m not elected.”

Arpaio said his counsel then hired a private investigator to look into the matter.

“Results confirmed that your wife was in that restaurant,” Arpaio told Snow. “I guess (the investigator) talked to the witness, confirmed that that remark was made.”

Snow additionally questioned Arpaio about county funds being paid to posse members conducting private investigations, and investigations into the Department of Justice, who is heading an ongoing racial-profiling lawsuit against the Sheriff’s Office.

The answers to those questions are at this point unclear, based on Arpaio’s responses.

225 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 1:29:55pm

re: #222 CuriousLurker

It turned cold here in Jersey too. It was 70° yesterday and the dogwood tree across the street finally bloomed so I was going to go out and take photos of it today. Unfortunately, the temp dropped down into the 30s overnight and I woke up freezing (because I left the bedroom window cracked open).

I think it’s supposed to warm back up by the weekend, so I guess the photos will have to wait until then. Hopefully, it won’t be too late as the blossoms tend to start drooping & turning brown pretty quickly.

I’ve got loads of things I have to cover tonight. Low is now forecast to be 31F here (so will get even colder down here in the holler).
Fruit trees and blueberry bushes are blooming! :(

226 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 1:30:31pm

re: #220 Backwoods_Sleuth

dammit

Winter’s lasting way too long this year.

227 freetoken  Apr 23, 2015 1:32:30pm

re: #209 Targetpractice

Is it a jury trial?

228 No Country For Old Haters  Apr 23, 2015 1:32:47pm

re: #226 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Winter’s lasting way too long this year.

Therefore, global warming is clearly a Liberal hoax.

229 Eventual Carrion  Apr 23, 2015 1:32:49pm

re: #220 Backwoods_Sleuth

dammit

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I brought all ours in yesterday after work. Looks like they will be in for a few days.

230 #FergusonFireside  Apr 23, 2015 1:33:17pm

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

wearing pink underwear and being housed in a tent in the desert.

On a vegan diet.

231 Kragar  Apr 23, 2015 1:34:06pm

re: #227 freetoken

Is it a jury trial?

Contempt hearing, over seen by the Judge who Arpaio just admitted to hiring a PI to investigate the Judge’s wife.

232 Nyet  Apr 23, 2015 1:34:12pm

re: #221 Nyet

Apparently this is a weird youtube subgenre where you are guaranteed to make at least 5 million views per video. And, if you’re lucky, you can reach the 455,860,809 mark:

…

233 Targetpractice  Apr 23, 2015 1:35:56pm

re: #224 Kragar

Arpaio admits he hired PI to investigate judge’s wife

Wait a sec, is he seriously trying to turn this back on Snow by saying that he did use public funds to hire a PI to investigate Snow and his wife, BUT she brought it on herself by saying that Snow wanted Arpaio to lose his reelection bid?

234 freetoken  Apr 23, 2015 1:37:35pm

re: #231 Kragar

Contempt hearing, over seen by the Judge who Arpaio just admitted to hiring a PI to investigate the Judge’s wife.

Does the judge then have to recuse himself?

235 Kragar  Apr 23, 2015 1:37:48pm

re: #233 Targetpractice

Wait a sec, is he seriously trying to turn this back on Snow by saying that he did use public funds to hire a PI to investigate Snow and his wife, BUT she brought it on herself by saying that Snow wanted Arpaio to lose his reelection bid?

Saying her husband wanted Arpaio to lose obviously proves the Judge and his wife were both godless commies who hate America!

236 leftynyc  Apr 23, 2015 1:38:00pm

re: #212 EPR-radar

That’s a really good start to these proceedings. I hope the judge throws the book at Arpaio as harshly as possible while still keeping things legal. It wouldn’t do to give Arpaio a chance to escape justice by over-reaching.

Of course it has to be noted that the real problem here is the majority of Maricopa county voters who affirmatively vote for a thug like Arpaio as county sheriff.

If there is a fine, who pays? The Sheriff’s office or Arpaio personally? Not that I would mind the taxpaying assholes that keep voting for him to be on the hook for the fines but I’m just curious.

237 The War TARDIS  Apr 23, 2015 1:38:23pm

re: #219 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

The Air Force issues would be fixed, I think, if you moved the Academy.

Obvious choice would be Fort Collins or Pueblo.

Fort Collins because it is a college city that prides itself of education.

Pueblo, because that city still needs economic help, and could be built cheaply.

re: #217 No Country For Old Haters

I would say though that the Calvinist Way of thinking is probably the Dominant Strain of the thinking in American Protestant Christianity. The Mainline Churches have dwindled in favor of Evangelical Churches. Having been part of them in the past, I can attest to the fact they are relatively insular communities, where little thought is done, and you don’t have to interact with minorities, though I also noticed a token couple in prominent positions. This is not an accident.

The contemporary Christian right became increasingly vocal and organized in reaction to a series of United States Supreme Court decisions, most notably Bob Jones University v. Simon and Bob Jones University v. United States. It has also engaged in battles over pornography, obscenity, abortion, state sanctioned prayer in public schools, textbook contents (concerning creationism), homosexuality, and sexual education. It was long believed that the Supreme Court’s decision to make abortion a Constitution-protected right in the 1973 Roe v Wade ruling was the driving force behind the New Christian Right Movement’s rise in the 1970s.[25] Despite the large grassroots campaigns that were organized by the movement to protest the Roe decision, comments made by senior figures, including the movement’s chief architect Paul Weyrich, have suggested that the New Christian Right Movement’s rise was not centered around the issue of abortion, but rather Bob Jones University’s refusal to comply with the Supreme Court’s 1971 Green v. Connally ruling that permitted the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) to collect penalty taxes from private religious schools that violated federal laws.[25] Biblical scholar and Religious Right critic Randall Balmer alleged that discussions he had with various New Christian Right Movement activists in the years following Roe v. Wade showed that there was widespread reluctance within the movement to push for new laws which would outlaw all forms of abortion.[25]

Demonstrators at the 2004 March for Life in Washington D.C.
In Thy Kingdom Come, Balmer recounted comments that Weyrich made at a conference sponsored by a Religious Right organization, that they both attended in Washington in 1990:[25]

In the course of one of the sessions, Weyrich tried to make a point to his Religious Right brethren (no women attended the conference, as I recall). Let’s remember, he said animatedly, that the Religious Right did not come together in response to the Roe decision. No, Weyrich insisted, what got us going as a political movement was the attempt on the part of the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) to rescind the tax-exempt status of Bob Jones University because of its racially discriminatory policies.

Bob Jones University, a private, non-denominational Protestant university located in Greenville, South Carolina, had policies that refused black students enrollment until 1971,[25] admitted only married blacks from 1971 to 1975,[25] and prohibited interracial dating and marriage between 1975 and 2000.[25] In the 1974 Bob Jones University v. Simon case, the US Supreme Court further enforced the Green decision and ruled that the IRS could penalize the University for enforcing segregation policies. The following year, the IRS sought to penalize Bob Jones University for refusing to allow interracial dating.[25] During this time, Weyrich organized a campaign to defend the University and alleged that various social issues that were deemed immoral by various religious conservatives justified the need to end federal intervention in religious schools.[25] As Balmer recalled:[25]

During the following break in the conference proceedings, I cornered Weyrich to make sure I had heard him correctly. He was adamant that, yes, the 1975 action by the IRS against Bob Jones University was responsible for the genesis of the Religious Right in the late 1970s. What about abortion? After mobilizing to defend Bob Jones University and its racially discriminatory policies, Weyrich said, these evangelical leaders held a conference call to discuss strategy. He recalled that someone suggested that they had the makings of a broader political movement—something that Weyrich had been pushing for all along—and asked what other issues they might address. Several callers made suggestions, and then, according to Weyrich, a voice on the end of one of the lines said, “How about abortion?” And that is how abortion was cobbled into the political agenda of the Religious Right.

I would argue that this is the crux of the problem in American Christianity right now. The suburbanites have left mainstream churches which wish for their congregations to go and serve and help out their fellow man, in exchange for the lazy and easy way, where focus is more towards bible studies and judging others. There were very, very few opportunities for volunteer work at the churches I went to in both OKC and COS.

Heck, my Imam is getting frustrated, because a lot of churches in the area are now having these sunday sermons telling the “truth” of Islam, which is the usual pack of lies about how we are all extremists.

I personally think they are doing this because, they know that the twisted, perverted form of Protestant Christianity that now dominates the Christian scene in the US (the small remaining mainline churches, and the Catholics notwithstanding), are morally bankrupt and having nothing to offer. They have become the Pharisees that Jesus/Isa (PBUH) worked so hard against.

238 Nyet  Apr 23, 2015 1:38:51pm

re: #232 Nyet

We’re in the wrong business. ///

239 Kragar  Apr 23, 2015 1:38:56pm

re: #234 freetoken

Does the judge then have to recuse himself?

A good question

240 CuriousLurker  Apr 23, 2015 1:39:20pm

re: #232 Nyet

Apparently this is a weird youtube subgenre where you are guaranteed to make at least 5 million views per video. And, if you’re lucky, you can reach the 455,860,809 mark:

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LOL, another example of the useful things you can learn on the internet. //

241 Eventual Carrion  Apr 23, 2015 1:39:46pm

re: #233 Targetpractice

Wait a sec, is he seriously trying to turn this back on Snow by saying that he did use public funds to hire a PI to investigate Snow and his wife, BUT she brought it on herself by saying that Snow wanted Arpaio to lose his reelection bid?

Guess in a democratic society people are not supposed to pick sides. They should vote the way the supreme leader says to vote, or suffer the consequences.

242 WhatEVs  Apr 23, 2015 1:41:33pm

re: #221 Nyet

How the fuck did this get 338,237,876 views?

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Video

338,237,8767

243 blueraven  Apr 23, 2015 1:41:49pm

Johnny Depp as Whitey Bulger. Yikes!
Trailer looks pretty good and it is good to see Depp in a role that is not cartoonish.

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244 The War TARDIS  Apr 23, 2015 1:42:02pm

re: #241 Eventual Carrion

You know, Arpaio reminds me of J. Edgar Hoover.

245 Kragar  Apr 23, 2015 1:43:23pm

re: #244 The War TARDIS

You know, Arpaio reminds me of J. Edgar Hoover.

I don’t want to see Arpaio in lingerie

246 Eventual Carrion  Apr 23, 2015 1:43:26pm

re: #244 The War TARDIS

You know, Arpaio reminds me of J. Edgar Hoover.

Wonder what he looks like in a slinky black evening dress … on second thought, no I don’t.

247 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 23, 2015 1:44:07pm

Other than a fine I suspect that Arpaio will walk. The only time he’s going to do will be on Fox News and, these days, The History Channel.

248 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 23, 2015 1:49:44pm
249 Nyet  Apr 23, 2015 1:50:10pm

That reminds me of a Sliders episode…

32. Skirted Cops Earth

Following the assassination of President Kennedy by the Rosenbergs, J. Edgar Hoover became President of this world’s United States. The U.S. Constitution, including the Bill of Rights, was abridged in 1962 or 1963 when martial law was declared. Now, possession of a copy of the full, unabridged version of the Constitution is an offense punishable by death.
Rock and Roll music has been largely suppressed on this Earth. Acceptable music includes: “Liberace Unplugged,” “Jim Morrison Sing Irving Berlin,” and Kurt Cobain’s new “The Christmas Album.”

The J. Edgar Hoover of this world was a cross dresser and, due to this influence, male police officers wear skirts when they are on duty.

250 Dr Lizardo  Apr 23, 2015 1:50:31pm

re: #243 blueraven

Johnny Depp as Whitey Bulger. Yikes!
Trailer looks pretty good and it is good to see Depp in a role that is not cartoonish.

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Video

Now that looks good! Definitely gonna have to see that when it comes out.

251 The War TARDIS  Apr 23, 2015 1:50:42pm

Marvel’s PR is having a horrible, horrible day.

252 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 1:50:44pm

re: #248 Aunty Entity Dragon

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Sad but true.

253 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 23, 2015 1:50:51pm

i must say the enforcement mechanisms in the state department’s summary of tpp ‘goals’ seem to be quite wimpy

254 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 23, 2015 1:52:34pm

re: #249 Nyet

The J. Edgar Hoover of this world was a cross dresser and, due to this influence, male police officers wear skirts when they are on duty.

im less cross after i dress than before

255 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 23, 2015 1:52:37pm

re: #251 The War TARDIS

Marvel’s PR is having a horrible, horrible day.

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Yeah…that’s a lot of not good.

256 The War TARDIS  Apr 23, 2015 1:54:22pm

re: #249 Nyet

Let’s see what Truman has to say about him….

According to President Harry S. Truman, Hoover transformed the FBI into his private secret police force; Truman stated that “we want no Gestapo or secret police. The FBI is tending in that direction. They are dabbling in sex-life scandals and plain blackmail. J. Edgar Hoover would give his right eye to take over, and all congressmen and senators are afraid of him”

257 wrenchwench  Apr 23, 2015 1:54:46pm
258 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 1:55:05pm

re: #243 blueraven

Johnny Depp as Whitey Bulger. Yikes!
Trailer looks pretty good and it is good to see Depp in a role that is not cartoonish.

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Video

Looks great and I agree about Depp. Two of my favorite roles of his are actually him playing criminals. George Jung in Blow and Donnie Brasco (I know he’s not really a crook in that but in a sense he does play a crook in that).

259 Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2015 1:55:48pm
260 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 1:55:53pm

re: #257 wrenchwench

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Arapaio thinks he’s bigger than the law.

261 wrenchwench  Apr 23, 2015 1:56:22pm

re: #260 HappyWarrior

Arapaio thinks he’s bigger than the law.

I had that very thought.

262 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 1:56:37pm

re: #259 Charles Johnson

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What does he have to say about his pathetic hero not even bothering to vote on Lynch’s confirmation?

263 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 1:57:29pm

re: #261 wrenchwench

I had that very thought.

Yeah, I’ve thought that for some time even when he was the tough on crime movement’s sweetheart with the whole pink underwear and chain gang stuff. The guy is an egotistical asshole who I really hope gets what he has coming to him.

264 The War TARDIS  Apr 23, 2015 1:57:30pm

re: #251 The War TARDIS

265 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 23, 2015 1:58:18pm

re: #237 The War TARDIS

The Air Force issues would be fixed, I think, if you moved the Academy.

Obvious choice would be Fort Collins or Pueblo.

Fort Collins because it is a college city that prides itself of education.

Pueblo, because that city still needs economic help, and could be built cheaply.

The Air Force Academy was there first (since 1958) so it might be more appropriate to move the fundies back to Texas or Alabama or wherever the hell they came from.
It is a mystery to me how Colorado Springs got to be such a fundy town. I lived there in the 50s and 60s, when it was a smallish (1960 pop. ca. 70,000) military and tourist community. My mother attended one of the few Southern Baptist churches. I remember her pastor once saying, “It’s not like Texas, where there is a Baptist church on every corner.” I was familiar with fire and brimstone fundyism, from our occasional visits to family in Texas, and thought it very odd and backward. There were a lot Mormons and Catholics there, but fundamentalists were few and far between and were regarded mostly as southern interlopers.

The Springs’ transition to a veritable Holy Roller Empire might have something to do with the city’s explosive growth over the intervening decades (a factor of 7 in 50 years) but I am not sure how that might work. My brother was born there and still lives there. He says it is quite rare for someone his age (56) to be an actual native of the place.

266 wrenchwench  Apr 23, 2015 1:59:10pm

Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio dropped a bombshell in court Thursday when he said his former lawyer had hired a private investigator to look into the wife of the federal judge presiding over a contempt of court case against the sheriff.

The hearing took the strange turn after Arpaio had finished his testimony and Judge Murray Snow began asking him questions, including whether the sheriff was investigating his family.

Arpaio said he believed his former lawyer, Tim Casey, had hired a private investigator to look into his wife. The investigation stemmed from a purported comment Snow’s wife made about the judge not wanting Arpaio to get re-elected in 2012.

Casey declined comment, citing attorney-client privilege, when The Associated Press reached him after the development in court.

[…]

267 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 23, 2015 1:59:20pm

Regarding the above block of African American fatalities this month…here is the video of a K9 fatally mauling an unconscious suspect in the street:

…

Story here:alternet.org

268 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 23, 2015 2:00:46pm

re: #267 Aunty Entity Dragon

Regarding the above block of African American fatalities this month…here is the video of a K9 fatally mauling an unconscious suspect in the street:

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So, THIS is how we managed to stamp out lynching in this country: We simply turned the job over to professionals.

269 Targetpractice  Apr 23, 2015 2:01:07pm

re: #266 wrenchwench

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So it wasn’t Arpaio, it was the same lawyer who yesterday said he had to drop his representation of Arpaio in this case. I wonder if he knew that this bombshell was going to be dropped and wanted to get out from under it?

270 Kragar  Apr 23, 2015 2:02:27pm

re: #269 Targetpractice

So it wasn’t Arpaio, it was the same lawyer who yesterday said he had to drop his representation of Arpaio in this case. I wonder if he knew that this bombshell was going to be dropped and wanted to get out from under it?

Arpaio said someone tipped him off to the Judge’s wife making the statement. Arpaio then told his attorney to hire a PI.

271 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 23, 2015 2:02:46pm

re: #257 wrenchwench

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I have heard more than once that Arpaio acts like a down scale Robert Mugabe in Zimbebwe.

272 Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2015 2:03:09pm
273 Nyet  Apr 23, 2015 2:04:07pm

From the humble beginnings… the 1st yt video:

…

274 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 2:05:59pm

re: #272 Charles Johnson

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He just loves making Ted out to be some victim. Say Chuckles, any comment about Ted’s admiration for Jesse Helms or do you continue to think that just posting a photo of Ted smiling with his black roommate somehow invalidates his praise for the biggest bigot in the Senate from the past 45 years.

275 Targetpractice  Apr 23, 2015 2:06:42pm

re: #270 Kragar

Arpaio said someone tipped him off to the Judge’s wife making the statement. Arpaio then told his attorney to hire a PI.

And made sure when answering to get out there that the reason he sicced a PI on her was because of a tip that she said her husband wanted Arpaio to lose reelection.

I can see the method in the madness: Yeah, he called a PI on the judge, but the judge has a conflict of interest in wanting to see Arpaio gone. So now, if the judge takes action against Arpaio, his lawyers argue that its a vendetta and push for dismissal of any charges.

276 The War TARDIS  Apr 23, 2015 2:06:49pm

re: #265 Shiplord Kirel

Also, I think the city will likely be reduced from being the second largest city to the 3-5th Largest in Colorado in the next several decades.

Why?

Well……

The state Forest Service and Colorado State University completed a study in 2013 that found that about 20% of Colorado’s population and 25% of Colorado homes are within in a “red zone”, or a place with high likelihood of fires. El Paso County is one of the top three counties for fire danger with 45% of its residents within a red zone.[g] Colorado has seen a 300 percent increase in wildfires between 2003 and 2013.

The footnote is more blunt and specific.

Approximately 45 percent of the population of El Paso County, or about 278,000 people, live in a fire danger zone. About 20,000 people and about 7,000 homes are located in the Black Forest Fire evacuation zone. Census data shows that half of those homes were built in the last decade. The Colorado Springs Briargate subdivision, just south of Black Forest, is certain to be exposed to fire in the future. Houses built in the forests are particularly in danger of fires.

Black Forest has already mostly burned down in 2013. The range of the fire scorched most of the forest.

Briargate, and for that matter, most of the city has an artificial forest of sorts, with large numbers of trees in most backyard.

Colorado Springs will likely suffer the fate of Sodom and Gomarrah. Considering my sister lost 4 friends to suicide there, and she now also has mental issues, my family has said they will not be sad to see it happen.

277 TedStriker  Apr 23, 2015 2:10:32pm

re: #59 Higgs Boson’s Mate

If Obama had nominated Alabama’s Judge Roy Moore the wingers would be presenting evidence of Moore’s communistic tendencies.

Which, frankly, would have been hilarious.

278 wrenchwench  Apr 23, 2015 2:11:51pm

[from last June]

This Week’s Lemons Column
Joe Arpaio’s Investigating Federal Judge G. Murray Snow, DOJ, Sources Say, and Using a Seattle Scammer To Do It

279 TedStriker  Apr 23, 2015 2:14:11pm

re: #64 HappyWarrior

I cannot wait to see FR the day Hillary is elected.

I think some of them would actually go Jonestown (or go postal) if that happens.

280 Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2015 2:15:04pm
281 The War TARDIS  Apr 23, 2015 2:15:41pm

re: #276 The War TARDIS

And having talked to my parents, it is likely it would be one big fire.

Colorado Springs, because of being so undertaxed, has a very undersized fire department.

When Waldo Canyon happened, and forced its way into Colorado Springs, we had to call in every fire department from Trinidad to Fort Collins, and everywhere in between. The town of Beulah sent there entire force over.

But, that took 6-10 hours. Denver’s departments didn’t arrive till near midnight.

By that point, the areas in trouble would already be cut off, and it would be too late.

282 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 2:16:09pm

re: #183 Eventual Carrion

Ha, that was my first thought. Salvador Dali meets Monty Python.

My first thought was “1950’s LSD trip”

283 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 2:16:52pm

re: #265 Shiplord Kirel

The Air Force Academy was there first (since 1958) so it might be more appropriate to move the fundies back to Texas or Alabama or wherever the hell they came from.
It is a mystery to me how Colorado Springs got to be such a fundy town. I lived there in the 50s and 60s, when it was a smallish (1960 pop. ca. 70,000) military and tourist community. My mother attended one of the few Southern Baptist churches. I remember her pastor once saying, “It’s not like Texas, where there is a Baptist church on every corner.” I was familiar with fire and brimstone fundyism, from our occasional visits to family in Texas, and thought it very odd and backward. There were a lot Mormons and Catholics there, but fundamentalists were few and far between and were regarded mostly as southern interlopers.

The Springs’ transition to a veritable Holy Roller Empire might have something to do with the city’s explosive growth over the intervening decades (a factor of 7 in 50 years) but I am not sure how that might work. My brother was born there and still lives there. He says it is quite rare for someone his age (56) to be an actual native of the place.

What transformed Colorado Springs from nice little town into a Holy Roller Empire was Family Research Institute and Focus on the Family moving in.

284 Romantic Heretic  Apr 23, 2015 2:17:30pm

re: #156 No Country For Old Haters

I wouldn’t call it mild. He’s totally out of control.

My wife and I are both concerned that UpChuck may go out in a blaze of glory. There will come a time when he will do something that he believes matches the size of his ego.

Then suicide by cop.

No one will say he is insignificant ever again. He’ll be hated and loathed even more than he is now but he won’t be insignificant.

285 TedStriker  Apr 23, 2015 2:18:06pm

re: #77 HappyWarrior

I mean say what you will about those who actually voted against now Attorney General Lynch. At least they actually voted.

And Cruz slunk away back home to avoid putting himself on the official record either way.

Fucking craven coward.

286 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 2:18:58pm

re: #285 TedStriker

And Cruz slunk away back home to avoid putting himself on the official record either way.

Fucking craven coward.

Cruz had to get home in time for his big presidential fundraiser at 6 p.m.

287 RadicalModerate  Apr 23, 2015 2:19:06pm

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

hahahahaaa!

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Cruz is missing the vote because of attending a fundraiser run by Tom Hicks.

This would be the same Tom Hicks who is probably the single most hated former sports team owner in the city of Dallas - as he succeeded in driving not one, not two, but THREE local professional sports franchises (and two overseas teams) into bankruptcy in the last decade - and did so by bleeding each of them dry and leaving the respective leagues on-hook with the creditors while pocketing hundreds of millions of dollars.

en.wikipedia.org

288 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 2:19:12pm

re: #285 TedStriker

And Cruz slunk away back home to avoid putting himself on the official record either way.

Fucking craven coward.

He is a coward and it’s going to be fun to watch him try to weasel his way out of this during the primary because I guarantee you it’s something that Rubio and the other Senators running will hit him on.

289 The War TARDIS  Apr 23, 2015 2:19:15pm

re: #281 The War TARDIS

And, now, thinking back, some of those departments didn’t get there till the next day.

Colorado Springs is a Dead CIty Walking.

290 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 2:19:53pm

re: #287 RadicalModerate

Cruz is missing the vote because of attending a fundraiser run by Tom Hicks.

This would be the same Tom Hicks who is probably the single most hated former sports team owner in the city of Dallas - as he succeeded in driving not one, not two, but THREE local professional sports franchises (and two overseas teams) into bankruptcy in the last decade - and did so by bleeding each of them dry and leaving the respective leagues on-hook with the creditors while pocketing hundreds of millions of dollars.

en.wikipedia.org

Ah yes Tom Hicks. The man who signed the infamous A-Rod deal. That’s someone that has a great idea of fiscal responsibility.

291 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 2:21:57pm

So, UpChuck-for-brains, were those all “fake rapes” back then, too?

292 WhatEVs  Apr 23, 2015 2:24:28pm

re: #278 wrenchwench

Fascinating article! Wow. Really. Just wow. Thanks!

293 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 2:24:37pm

SQUEEE!!!

294 Romantic Heretic  Apr 23, 2015 2:25:41pm

re: #196 Targetpractice

That ship has sailed, circumnavigated the globe, and returned laden with exotic spice.

And most of its crew dead from scurvy.

295 Lidane  Apr 23, 2015 2:25:48pm

WTFITS:

296 Lancelot Link  Apr 23, 2015 2:27:37pm

re: #29 Khal Wimpo

Now this is coming out of a the Fight For the Future group - kinda associated with the EFF - which I tend to agree with a lot of issues. Trying hard to parse whether this is something to be concerned about - or if this is just a “well, this COULD happen” type deal.

I’m not going to start panicking because of what these guys have to say.

297 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 2:29:20pm

re: #295 Lidane

WTFITS:

As in a banned book? As in a banned book you can buy or borrow anywhere?

298 TedStriker  Apr 23, 2015 2:32:15pm

re: #175 Kragar

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Suck it, Sheriff Joe.

299 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 2:32:19pm

re: #295 Lidane

WTFITS:

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Bryan’s taxi has arrived:

300 Decatur Deb  Apr 23, 2015 2:32:30pm

re: #295 Lidane

WTFITS:

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re: #297 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

As in a banned book? As in a banned book you can buy or borrow anywhere?

The faithful should avoid comparing their bible to Mein Kampf, just on general rhetorical grounds.

301 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 2:33:25pm

re: #300 Decatur Deb

The faithful should avoid comparing their bible to Mein Kampf, just on general rhetorical grounds.

Yeah I would assume so, too.

But Bryan is, well….

302 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 23, 2015 2:35:30pm

re: #291 Backwoods_Sleuth

UpChuck-for-brains

I think this will be a keeper

303 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 2:35:59pm

re: #295 Lidane

WTFITS:

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Explains why the Bible has been banned in Canada. Seriously this guy is such a little drama queen. The Supreme Court will rule that same sex marriage bans are unconstitutional and life will go on and Bryan will continue to be among the most sexually confused and repressed members of a group that specializes in that.

304 TedStriker  Apr 23, 2015 2:36:05pm

re: #178 CuriousLurker

Arpaio should’ve been in jail a LONG time ago.

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

wearing pink underwear and being housed in a tent in the desert.

re: #181 CuriousLurker

LOL, yes!

What’s good for the goose should be good for the gander.

305 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 2:36:27pm

re: #302 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I think this will be a keeper

Yep, that’s my new name for him.

306 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 2:37:36pm

I’m shaking in my boots, UpChuck-for-Brains.
Oh wait, I’m not…

307 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 2:37:37pm

Given Chuck’s love of actual smearing, I think it’s hysterical that he thinks the NYT smeared poor widdle Ted.

308 HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2015 2:38:11pm

re: #306 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m shaking in my boots, UpChuck-for-Brains.
Oh wait, I’m not…

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You can start with yourself then babycakes. Your pal Ted will be lucky to win one primary.

309 The War TARDIS  Apr 23, 2015 2:38:43pm

Moffat said something on Doctor Who Series 9.

“You’ve got Jenna onboard for another series, now one of the longest serving new series companions. What are you doing with Clara this series? What’s her journey this series? Oh, it’s very pronounced. I mean, I can’t really say too much about it, but, you know, she continues to complicate, as it were. And that relationship between the two of them is incredibly strong. Very, very strong.”

Things that make me go hmm, especially with what Jenna said earlier…

“It’s really interesting where it will take them next… it’s a direction that no-one was expecting.”

I predict gnashing of teeth, and the lamentation of their women from some portion of the fandom.

This goes two ways, either of which are plausible. Either a) Clara becomes and opponent to the Doctor, or b) their relationship takes a…May-December quality.

310 Targetpractice  Apr 23, 2015 2:43:18pm

re: #309 The War TARDIS

Moffat said something on Doctor Who Series 9.

Things that make me go hmm, especially with what Jenna said earlier…

I predict gnashing of teeth, and the lamentation of their women from some portion of the fandom.

This goes two ways, either of which are plausible. Either a) Clara becomes and opponent to the Doctor, or b) their relationship takes a…May-December quality.

Oh God, please no. Already bad enough that we spent last season basically watching them go through a very messy quasi-breakup. That was the entire point of the Danny Pink storyline, that she’d wanted a normal life after Chinny had been replaced by Malcolm Tucker. If they start a new romantic subplot, I’m abandoning the series.

311 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 2:43:30pm

ummmm….wheat has been holding out on us:

312 RadicalModerate  Apr 23, 2015 2:43:39pm

re: #295 Lidane

WTFITS:

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Funny, I don’t remember the Bible blaming specific religious, racial, and ethnic groups for all the ills of society - you know, like that other book does.
Not to mention that I hear Fischer making these same claims all the time.

313 Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2015 2:43:54pm

The thing is, there’s NO LIE in the New York Times article. It doesn’t accuse Ted Cruz of being “anti-woman” at all. This is the section Chuck is freaking out about - it clearly says Cruz was making an attempt at humor. That’s all.

Notice that in Chuck’s stupid post, he leaves out the first sentence of this paragraph.

314 Great White Snark  Apr 23, 2015 2:45:12pm

re: #186 Targetpractice

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Worst. Socialist. President. EVAH!
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Apparently a top conservative Democrat.
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315 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 2:50:25pm
316 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 2:52:13pm

awwwwwwwwwwww….

317 TedStriker  Apr 23, 2015 2:52:43pm

re: #286 Backwoods_Sleuth

Cruz had to get home in time for his big presidential fundraiser at 6 p.m.

Priorities, right?

318 Targetpractice  Apr 23, 2015 2:52:50pm

re: #316 Backwoods_Sleuth

awwwwwwwwwwww….

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I might have gone with “Phoenix” instead.

319 BeachDem  Apr 23, 2015 2:53:02pm

re: #306 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m shaking in my boots, UpChuck-for-Brains.
Oh wait, I’m not…

[Embedded content]

First, upchuck should learn what the word debunk means.

I read the NYT story, then (shudder) read the ginger avenger’s “debunking” story, which not only didn’t debunk anything but gish-galloped away on an argument that the NYT story didn’t even begin to make.

I could only think of—

what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

320 Great White Snark  Apr 23, 2015 2:53:43pm

re: #318 Targetpractice

I might have gone with “Phoenix” instead.

EightLives.

321 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 2:55:05pm

This was the news story I was looking for to share with the bike enthusiasts here, when I got briefly distracted by the kitten one:

(CNN) -

Trek bicycles is recalling nearly a million bikes due to an issue that left one biker paralyzed.

The issue is a quick release lever on the bike’s front wheel that can interfere with the disk brakes.

The problem can cause the wheel to stop turning or break away from the bike frame.

The bikes are model years 2000 to 2015 and were made in China and Taiwan.

Trek says it will replace the lever for free, and provide a $20 coupon for bike accessories made by Bontrager.

322 wrenchwench  Apr 23, 2015 3:09:56pm

re: #321 Backwoods_Sleuth

This was the news story I was looking for to share with the bike enthusiasts here, when I got briefly distracted by the kitten one:

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Trek should be in trouble— I’m a dealer of a competitor of theirs, who had to send me a letter explaining why they weren’t recalling their model with the same fork: the recall notice Trek sent out blamed the fork and not their proprietary quick release they put the wheel on with.

323 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 23, 2015 3:22:48pm

re: #321 Backwoods_Sleuth

This was the news story I was looking for to share with the bike enthusiasts here, when I got briefly distracted by the kitten one:

[Embedded content]

Well, it’s not an ice cream recall. ;)

324 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 3:23:53pm

good grief:

325 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 3:26:52pm
326 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 3:36:02pm

another awwww:

327 freetoken  Apr 23, 2015 3:47:53pm

re: #310 Targetpractice

Isn’t the Doctor technically a bigamist, anyway?

328 freetoken  Apr 23, 2015 3:50:48pm

Chrome has over the past several months been transforming into a monster on my machine. Google’s latest invention of new and improved bookmarks “stars” was the final straw.

I finally looked up how to change some of the innards, and discovered that if I set some flags to “disable”, including the stupid new bookmark stars innovation, life is better.

329 CuriousLurker  Apr 23, 2015 3:52:14pm

So someone RT this, which I didn’t believe at first, but it’s apparently a real thing, according to Courthouse News Service:

I thought @MassDeception1 was a kinda paranoid sounding handle, so I went to go take a peek… yep, they are way wayyyyy out there in the moronic convergence zone. Effing internet. Do people not realize RT stuff from groups like that makes them look *cough* less than credible?

330 Justanotherhuman  Apr 23, 2015 3:56:32pm

I have to admit that I’m a bit frustrated and peeved at all “the sky is falling” rhetoric over the TPP no matter where it comes from.

I didn’t have a lot of trust in the Bush admin for good reasons. But for some people, Pres Obama can do no right, even if he started farting rainbows.

331 Targetpractice  Apr 23, 2015 3:59:47pm

re: #327 freetoken

Isn’t the Doctor technically a bigamist, anyway?

I think that depends on whether the show writers ever choose to address his family from before he went on the run from Gallifrey. We know he was married long enough to have children, as one of his earliest companions was his granddaughter Susan. But whether his first wife is alive is a total mystery. Since then, the only relationship of his that rose above “affection friend” was River Song, and it’s confirmed that she’s dead…ish. Kinda hard to classify whether an imprint of one’s consciousness in a computer is technically alive or dead.

332 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 23, 2015 4:02:00pm

re: #324 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sharyl Attkisson Awarded Sunday Show By Right-Wing Sinclair Broadcast Corp

Sinclair is possessed of powerful magic: it can transform a stuck backspace key and an asshole into show host.

333 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 23, 2015 4:13:08pm

re: #283 Backwoods_Sleuth

What transformed Colorado Springs from nice little town into a Holy Roller Empire was Family Research Institute and Focus on the Family moving in.

I didn’t really know about the fundy take-over of the area until about 2000, when my nephew (then 13) told me that his middle-school science teacher was an outspoken (ie very stupid) young Earth creationist. I was astonished since I had not been there in 30 years. He said, “Oh, yeah, lots of teachers here are Bible thumpers. They’ve like taken over since I was in kindergarten.”
Focus on the Family had moved to Colorado Springs from Pomona, Ca in 1993.

334 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 4:23:25pm

re: #333 Shiplord Kirel

One of my cousins was on Colorado Springs city council back then.
He was a die-hard libertarian but was horrified at what was happening. In recent years has turned toward the light (with a little help from me) and is now actively questioning everything that he took as Libertarian gospel back in the day.

335 BillinGlendaleCA  Apr 23, 2015 4:51:09pm

re: #330 Justanotherhuman

Haven’t you heard? Obama had oatmeal for breakfast and is farting rainbows. Charles C. Johnson(award winning journalist with an IQ of 158) is investigating.

336 Decatur Deb  Apr 23, 2015 4:59:22pm

re: #323 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Well, it’s not an ice cream recall. ;)

Gonna have to stop all this dangerous stuff and let the kids smoke and drink. You never hear of a booze or cigarette recall.

337 Decatur Deb  Apr 23, 2015 5:02:40pm

I swear that thread was already dead when I got here.


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