New Study Shows Widespread Scientific Consensus on Guns - and the NRA Won’t Like It

The impact of firearms on US society is overwhelmingly negative
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Professor David Hemenway of the Harvard School of Public Health recently took a series of surveys of scientists in the fields of criminology, economics, public policy, political science and public health on the effects of firearms on society, and made some very interesting discoveries: There’s Scientific Consensus on Guns — and the NRA Won’t Like It.

I decided to determine objectively, through polling, whether there was scientific consensus on firearms. What I found won’t please the National Rifle Assn.

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Last May we began sending out short, monthly surveys. The first question on each survey asks how much the respondent agrees with a particular claim related to firearms, and the second and third questions ask the respondent to rate the quality of the scientific literature, as well as their own level of familiarity with the scientific literature on that particular topic.

So, for example, one survey asked whether having a gun in the home increased the risk of suicide. An overwhelming share of the 150 people who responded, 84%, said yes.

This result was not at all surprising because the scientific evidence is overwhelming. It includes a dozen individual-level studies that investigate why some people commit suicide and others do not, and an almost equal number of area-wide studies that try to explain differences in suicide rates across cities, states and regions. These area-wide studies find that differences in rates of suicide across the country are less explained by differences in mental health or suicide ideation than they are by differences in levels of household gun ownership.

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I also found widespread confidence that a gun in the home increases the risk that a woman living in the home will be a victim of homicide (72% agree, 11% disagree) and that a gun in the home makes it a more dangerous place to be (64%) rather than a safer place (5%). There is consensus that guns are not used in self-defense far more often than they are used in crime (73% vs. 8%) and that the change to more permissive gun carrying laws has not reduced crime rates (62% vs. 9%). Finally, there is consensus that strong gun laws reduce homicide (71% vs. 12%).

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54 comments
1 Justanotherhuman  Apr 23, 2015 4:11:52pm

Not that the NRA will acknowledge or care about this study, Charles.

It’s a crying shame how much power they have over so many legislators.

2 stpaulbear  Apr 23, 2015 4:15:37pm

re: #1 Justanotherhuman

They can’t handle the truth.

3 freetoken  Apr 23, 2015 4:22:47pm

The tact the gun-lovers may take is that yes, there are risks, but the price is worth it.

4 Justanotherhuman  Apr 23, 2015 4:23:37pm

Do you see “surround”? I see a crowd of protestors standing en mass in one location, but it appears it’s the police who are surrounding the bldg.

How about, “Protestors face police at the front of cop shop”?

5 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 4:24:20pm
6 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2015 4:29:53pm

re: #5 Lord Of The Pies

I hate you…

7 A Cranky One  Apr 23, 2015 4:32:20pm

re: #5 Lord Of The Pies

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Holy drooling lizards Batman!
8 Targetpractice  Apr 23, 2015 4:34:15pm

re: #5 Lord Of The Pies

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Why must you torture us so?!

9 Great White Snark  Apr 23, 2015 4:40:03pm

More interesting writing on this… Huffpo

Suicide Barriers and Gun Control

Less than three months after the Golden Gate Bridge opened, the first known suicide took place. Since then, over 1,500 people have taken their lives by jumping off the bridge, making the site one of the most popular suicide sites in the world. Calls for the construction of an anti-suicide barrier have been rejected by policymakers who argue that those committed to suicide will inevitably do so — they will, after all, “just go somewhere else.”

A famous study sought to challenge this contention, tracking 515 persons who were prevented from committing suicide at the Golden Gate Bridge. The study found that 90 ninety percent of people who were prevented from jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge did not go on to commit suicide. The findings support the idea that suicides are often “crisis-oriented” in nature, and that failed attempts often lead to a renewed commitment to living.

10 nkdee  Apr 23, 2015 4:46:42pm

Really? The NRA isn’t going to care. Except that they will say scientists are trying to take our guns away and the best way to counter that is to BUY MORE GUNS! Come on, women! The only way to fight a spouse who may shoot you with THEIR gun is to have one of those cute little pink guns of your own.

11 Skip Intro  Apr 23, 2015 4:55:19pm

Surf’s Up!

Mike Jones, owner of Azhiaziam surf shop in Morro Bay, caught this photo of what some people estimate was a 100-foot wave in Portugal in December.

Holy Crap!

Wave rider is Sebastian Steudtner of Germany.

12 Targetpractice  Apr 23, 2015 4:55:39pm

re: #10 nkdee

Really? The NRA isn’t going to care. Except that they will say scientists are trying to take our guns away and the best way to counter that is to BUY MORE GUNS! Come on, women! The only way to fight a spouse who may shoot you with THEIR gun is to have one of those cute little pink guns of your own.

Much like climate change or cigarette smoking, we’ll be told that the scientists are buying into the “politically correct” line, that they’re angling for that sweet government grant money when all the scientists who support their “MOAR GUNS!” line are the ones who are doing the “real” research and that the fact that they’re on the NRA/gun company payrolls does not in any way hurt their objectivity.

13 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 23, 2015 4:56:51pm

One problem we have with this issue is that gun contol advocates and politicians seem to take the term “gun control” too literally and this leads to things like bans on large magazines and similar technical panacea that don’t even begin to address the real problem. Is a drunken caveman really going to refrain from shooting his wife because he only has 10 rounds in his AR rather than 30? I am not saying measures like this are useless, but they do rather miss the point. There are something like 200 million guns out there. There is no plausible way to round them up. They could be buried or hidden by the millions and a cottage industry of clandestine workshops would develop overnight to make millions more. If we banned them tomorrow, people would still be killing each other with them a thousand years from now.

What we need is gun owner control. I can understand why politicians might be “gun shy” about that exact term, but I am sure they could come up with a suitable euphemism. They could call the legislation the “Second Amendment Heroes’ Honor and Responsibility Act” or something.

I have been flying planes and choppers for 50 years. I have a pilot’s license and nobody anywhere would suggest that I should be allowed to fly without one.
Similarly, I used to teach young people. I have a teacher’s license. I was a deputy sheriff in my misspent youth, so I have a police officer’s license. I drive motor vehicles on the public roads so I have a driver’s license.

I own several guns, though, and I don’t have a gun owner’s license. The reason is simple: There is no such thing in Texas.

I am willing to make a deal with the ammosexuals: We don’t care what kind of guns they have, short of artillery, or how many, provided they prove they know how to shoot, know the law, can be located when we might need them, are willing to take a psychological profile test, can afford a nominal fee and liability insurance, and don’t have restraining orders, indictments, or summary judgments, past or present, against them.

14 Khal Wimpo  Apr 23, 2015 4:57:57pm

Kinda buggin’ today. One of the feline overlords is overdue for daily chow. Usually sacked out on the back porch (we have a kitty door that allows them unlimited in/out privileges, thus to quell midnight meow-fests) every morning. Today? Nowhere in evidence.

His catbrother claims no knowledge.

15 Varek Raith  Apr 23, 2015 4:58:57pm

re: #11 Skip Intro

Surf’s Up!

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Holy Crap!

Wave rider is Sebastian Steudtner of Germany.

Haha, no.

16 Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2015 5:00:56pm
17 Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2015 5:03:59pm

I’m wasting my time with this one. He’s just saying anything.

18 Targetpractice  Apr 23, 2015 5:05:55pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

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I’m wasting my time with this one. He’s just saying anything.

That’s generally the point you know that they have nothing, when they start attacking the process itself in order to argue that the studies they don’t like aren’t authoritative.

19 BillinGlendaleCA  Apr 23, 2015 5:06:01pm

re: #13 Shiplord Kirel

I agree completely, however you will hear the argument, Second Amendment. You don’t have a constitutional right to a car, to fly a flying vehicle, to teach or to be a law enforcement officer.

20 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 23, 2015 5:06:25pm

rubio is flavor of the week in republic land

this is much too early to peak

21 Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2015 5:07:14pm
22 MomSense  Apr 23, 2015 5:07:47pm

re: #5 Lord Of The Pies

Yum.

23 Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2015 5:08:06pm

Where do these people learn to “argue” like this? They’re like children.

24 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 23, 2015 5:09:32pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

Where do these people learn to “argue” like this? They’re like children.

they study all the logical fallacies and apply them diligently

25 Targetpractice  Apr 23, 2015 5:09:35pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

Where do these people learn to “argue” like this? They’re like children.

Gish Gallop. Throw as much shit at you as quickly as possible so they can then claim “victory” when you give up in frustration.

26 Kragar  Apr 23, 2015 5:12:24pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

Where do these people learn to “argue” like this? They’re like children.

He’s wearing a Guy Fawkes mask and a fedora. What would you expect?

27 b_sharp  Apr 23, 2015 5:13:34pm

re: #5 Lord Of The Pies

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Recipe.

V would like a recipe for that pie if you have one.

As the primary muncher of pies in this house, so would I.

28 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 5:15:23pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

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I’m wasting my time with this one. He’s just saying anything.

Only assholes have Guy Fawkes mask avis.

29 Skip Intro  Apr 23, 2015 5:17:31pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

Where do these people learn to “argue” like this? They’re like children.

You’ve never listened to talk radio?

30 Kragar  Apr 23, 2015 5:17:37pm

re: #28 Lord Of The Pies

Only assholes have Guy Fawkes mask avis.

plus a fedora.

31 Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2015 5:19:05pm
32 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 5:19:44pm

re: #30 Kragar

plus a fedora.

That’s the jizz icing on the turd cake.

33 goddamnedfrank  Apr 23, 2015 5:20:42pm
34 Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2015 5:21:48pm

re: #33 goddamnedfrank

Oh Jesus Christ, Sinclair Broadcasting is giving Sharyl Attkinsson her own Sunday show.

Saw this earlier. Right wing journalism FTW.

35 Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2015 5:29:59pm

re: #33 goddamnedfrank

The woman whose brain-dead paranoid fantasy about the NSA deleting her articles as she typed them gets rewarded with a show on “investigative journalism.” Focusing on “accountability,” which she herself has somehow completely avoided.

Our media just gets more pathetic every day.

36 Justanotherhuman  Apr 23, 2015 5:31:32pm

Needs more cleaning, cont.

Blue Bell to begin ‘intensive cleaning’ at production facilities after a number of listeria illnesses were linked to the ice cream, company says - @NBCDFW
read more on nbcdfw.com

37 Targetpractice  Apr 23, 2015 5:32:57pm

Speaking of right-wing journalism, I hear the author behind “Clinton Cash” has a book on Jeb in the works, set for publication next summer. What do you want to bet that, if he’s the front-runner/nominee come next summer, those who are presently declaring that Hillary needs to bow out because of the allegations made in this book will instead be attacking the author’s credibility?

38 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 23, 2015 5:35:56pm

re: #27 b_sharp

Recipe.

V would like a recipe for that pie if you have one.

As the primary muncher of pies in this house, so would I.

39 freetoken  Apr 23, 2015 5:37:39pm

re: #37 Targetpractice

Maybe he’ll call it “Bush Bullion”? “Bush Bribe”?

40 Justanotherhuman  Apr 23, 2015 5:39:21pm

Later, Lizards!

Keep calm…

42 freetoken  Apr 23, 2015 5:41:45pm

re: #3 freetoken

The tact the gun-lovers may take is that yes, there are risks, but the price is worth it.

That should have been tactic, of course.

43 Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2015 5:44:30pm

re: #42 freetoken

That should have been tactic, of course.

“Tack” also works.

44 Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2015 5:45:00pm
45 PhillyPretzel  Apr 23, 2015 5:50:23pm

re: #41 Varek Raith

That is cute. :)

46 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 23, 2015 5:54:33pm

Having problems with a twitter page…

47 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 23, 2015 5:58:20pm
48 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 23, 2015 6:06:06pm

Not feeling good. See you all tomorrow.

49 PhillyPretzel  Apr 23, 2015 6:07:02pm

re: #48 Aunty Entity Dragon

I hope you feel better.

50 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 23, 2015 6:10:22pm

re: #48 Aunty Entity Dragon

Get well. I’ll be keeping you in my thoughts.

51 #FergusonFireside  Apr 23, 2015 6:22:19pm

@koshersoul / Michael Twitty has a great post about Ben Affleck & the history of slave ownership.

I can’t hide mine, please don’t hide yours - an open letter to Ben Affleck

52 #FergusonFireside  Apr 23, 2015 6:22:54pm

re: #51 #FergusonFireside

@koshersoul / Michael Twitty has a great post about Ben Affleck & the history of slave ownership.

I can’t hide mine, please don’t hide yours - an open letter to Ben Affleck

And definitely, read the comments.

53 Swift2991  Apr 23, 2015 7:26:47pm

Does anybody want to look at the comments section, to see what appears to me to be an organized pack of trolls, all with the line of “just an opinion by a pack of elitist liberals.” It’s a negative energy to shut off debate or any honest conversation. Our right wing today is the Bolshevik faction of Reagan conservatives. 35 years after.

54 CriticalDragon1177  Apr 24, 2015 12:54:57pm

Charles Johnson,

You’re right, the NRA won’t like this one bit. They can’t stand anyone not liking guns. In fact I’m beginning to think they may like guns more than people.


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