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1 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 5:25:57pm

I know I’m getting old since I don’t recognize any of those “correspondents” or whoever they are at the tables.

2 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 25, 2015 5:26:59pm

You misspelled Whorespondents, Charles. At this point, it’s all eating and grab-assing. Makes me throw up in my mouth.

3 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 5:27:09pm

They couldn’t just be people off the street there for the food? : P

4 Charles Johnson  Apr 25, 2015 5:31:03pm

Replaced the NBC feed with the YouTube live feed.

5 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 5:32:27pm

Russian hackers read Obama’s unclassified emails last year: NYT

reuters.com

(Reuters) - Russian hackers who penetrated sensitive parts of the White House computer system last year read President Barack Obama’s unclassified emails, the New York Times reported on Saturday, quoting U.S. officials.

“There is no evidence that the president’s email account itself was hacked, White House officials said. Still, the fact that some of Mr. Obama’s communications were among those retrieved by hackers has been one of the most closely held findings of the inquiry,” the paper said.

“A White House spokeswoman declined to comment on the report but the White House earlier this month confirmed the breach, saying it took place last year and that it did not affect classified information.

“The New York Times said on Saturday the breach had been “far more intrusive and worrisome than has been publicly acknowledged.” More

6 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 5:39:17pm

re: #5 Justanotherhuman

I would be more than pleased if they found Snowden’s hand prints all over this.

7 Charles Johnson  Apr 25, 2015 5:39:39pm

This is the part where they’re all getting as drunk as possible.

8 Charles Johnson  Apr 25, 2015 5:44:44pm

If you look really close you can see me there, at the Frank Zappa table next to the door to the kitchen. I’m wearing the scuba gear.

9 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 5:45:26pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

This is the part where they’re all getting as drunk as possible.

All that wine on top of Happy Hour must be taking effect.

I’ll have this one beer and be ready for bed. : P

10 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 5:49:04pm

Meanwhile in Baltimore…

11 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 5:50:54pm

That wait staff isn’t paid nearly enough, having to wade through all the bullshit.

12 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 5:53:16pm
13 Charles Johnson  Apr 25, 2015 5:55:37pm
14 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 5:57:28pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

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15 Belafon  Apr 25, 2015 5:59:23pm

re: #5 Justanotherhuman

But only Americans spy on other countries!

16 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 6:01:02pm
17 FemNaziBitch  Apr 25, 2015 6:01:41pm
18 FemNaziBitch  Apr 25, 2015 6:02:38pm
19 Belafon  Apr 25, 2015 6:03:18pm

re: #17 FemNaziBitch

That’s OK, the right will believe them because she’s Hillary Clinton. While the left, on the other hand, will believe them because she’s Hillary Clinton.

20 Charles Johnson  Apr 25, 2015 6:03:46pm
21 Charles Johnson  Apr 25, 2015 6:04:19pm
22 Charles Johnson  Apr 25, 2015 6:04:36pm
23 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 6:06:24pm
24 Charles Johnson  Apr 25, 2015 6:06:51pm
25 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 6:09:59pm
26 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 25, 2015 6:11:53pm

I feel like I’m living in the 60s (which I was born too late for). Freedom riders, Pettus Bridge, Bull Connor, etc. etc. - all live on the Internet.

27 Kragar  Apr 25, 2015 6:12:25pm

Guess who has got 2 new squads of Skirarii to work on?

28 b_sharp  Apr 25, 2015 6:14:58pm

re: #27 Kragar

Guess who has got 2 new squads of Skirarii to work on?

Chuck C Johnson?

29 Charles Johnson  Apr 25, 2015 6:15:02pm
30 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 6:15:19pm

re: #26 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Well, I was an adult during that period, and it’s as though it’s being played all over again in many respects.

I really wish Pres Obama would harsh this crowd’s mellow by talking about Baltimore and the other cities’ cops (the vast majority) that don’t recognize human beings when they see one.

31 Charles Johnson  Apr 25, 2015 6:15:22pm
32 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 6:17:31pm

Is Donald Trump there looking for publicity?

33 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 25, 2015 6:18:19pm

re: #32 Justanotherhuman

Is Donald Trump there looking for publicity?

Is it a day ending in ‘y’?

34 Charles Johnson  Apr 25, 2015 6:18:35pm
35 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 6:18:57pm
36 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 25, 2015 6:19:58pm

Jesus fuck
Video

37 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 6:21:55pm
38 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 6:24:35pm

The 2 screens I’m watching are quite a juxtaposition of the elite and the downtrodden.

39 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 6:25:09pm
40 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 6:25:41pm

Death toll from Nepal earthquake hits more than 1800 and is still expected to rise as more reports come in from far-flung areas, officials say - @CBCAlerts
read more on cbc.ca

41 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 6:27:39pm

OK, something happened. There were 2 vines, and now there are none.

I hope he’s all right.

42 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 25, 2015 6:28:28pm

I’m really ashamed of my country, and my race, and my gender, at the moment. Would a Lizard help me out and tell me something uplifting?

43 PhillyPretzel  Apr 25, 2015 6:31:44pm

re: #42 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Hmm. How about a musical that has Gene Kelly and Fred Astaire dancing their feet off?

44 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 6:31:54pm

I think Deray is all right.

45 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 6:33:38pm

Oh, for chrissakes.

46 PhillyPretzel  Apr 25, 2015 6:34:04pm

re: #45 Justanotherhuman

Oy.

47 Skip Intro  Apr 25, 2015 6:34:45pm

re: #26 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I feel like I’m living in the 60s (which I was born too late for). Freedom riders, Pettus Bridge, Bull Connor, etc. etc. - all live on the Internet.

This feels worse than that to me. Back then, it was confined to one area of the country. Now, it’s everywhere.

48 PhillyPretzel  Apr 25, 2015 6:35:50pm

Gene Kelly singing “Singing in the Rain.” A classic.

49 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 25, 2015 6:35:57pm

re: #42 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I’m really ashamed of my country, and my race, and my gender, at the moment. Would a Lizard help me out and tell me something uplifting?

I just discovered this organization, which works with youth in Afghanistan, Cambodia and South Africa. skateistan.org

50 Snarknado!  Apr 25, 2015 6:36:44pm

re: #47 Skip Intro

This feels worse than that to me. Back then, it was confined to one area of the country. Now, it’s everywhere.

It was pretty much everywhere then, but not publicized most places.

51 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 25, 2015 6:36:57pm

So what’s the count so far? Michael Brown, Freddie Gray, The kid in Cleveland, the choked guy in NYC - honestly, I’m unable to keep names in my head anymore.

52 A Cranky One  Apr 25, 2015 6:37:14pm

re: #42 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I’m really ashamed of my country, and my race, and my gender, at the moment. Would a Lizard help me out and tell me something uplifting?

You aren’t alone and have friends that understand how you feel. There are people out there fighting the good fight to make things better.

And,

Lizards look funny in sunglasses.

53 PhillyPretzel  Apr 25, 2015 6:37:36pm

re: #51 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Up ding for Alan Rickman.

54 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 25, 2015 6:39:24pm

re: #53 PhillyPretzel

Up ding for Alan Rickman.

Wilson Fisk does a mean table flip in Daredevil.

55 Charles Johnson  Apr 25, 2015 6:41:16pm

re: #54 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Wilson Fisk does a mean table flip in Daredevil.

…

56 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 25, 2015 6:42:29pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

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That’s the one. :-)

Needs gifification.

57 Charles Johnson  Apr 25, 2015 6:42:58pm
58 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 25, 2015 6:43:37pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

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Video

Why don’t we have a gif of that yet, Charles?

59 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 25, 2015 6:45:02pm

Fucking police state.
I don’t have enough desks left!

WTF?!
60 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 6:49:11pm

re: #51 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

So what’s the count so far? Michael Brown, Freddie Gray, The kid in Cleveland, the choked guy in NYC - honestly, I’m unable to keep names in my head anymore.

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Tamir Rice. Eric Garner. And there are others, not well known. Black people, poor people mostly Black, are killed every or seriously injured every day in this country by authorities, whether cops, in prisons or jails.

61 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 25, 2015 6:50:40pm

re: #60 Justanotherhuman

Tamir Rice. Eric Garner. And there are others, not well known. Black people, poor people mostly Black, are killed every or seriously injured every day in this country by authorities, whether cops, in prisons or jails.

And it’s been going on for years. Malcolm X wasn’t wrong, necessarily. :(

62 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 6:51:27pm
63 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 25, 2015 6:53:03pm

The key word is “people.” They’re people. Their blood is red just like anyone else. They eat, live, sleep, piss, shit and LOVE the exact same way as the Fine Upstanding People at the Whorespondent’s Dinner tonight. The only difference is their bank account, and the color of their skin. Goddammit, I am so angry and depressed tonight.

64 MomSense  Apr 25, 2015 6:53:25pm

I’m only watching nerd prom for the President. Otherwise it’s a lame event.

65 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 6:54:30pm

re: #63 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

The key word is “people.” They’re people. Their blood is red just like anyone else. They eat, live, sleep, piss, shit and LOVE the exact same way as the Fine Upstanding People at the Whorespondent’s Dinner tonight. The only difference is their bank account, and the color of their skin. Goddammit, I am so angry and depressed tonight.

I share your anger, truly It just isn’t right.

66 Kragar  Apr 25, 2015 6:54:35pm

re: #56 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

That’s the one. :-)

Needs gifification.

Made one a while back but it was too big to load here

67 goddamnedfrank  Apr 25, 2015 6:54:53pm

BAAAMMMM! No one wants your AUTOGRAPH!!!

…

68 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 6:55:17pm

Stirring up the fear, for chrissakes.

Baltimore officials ask baseball spectators at Oriole Park at Camden Yards to ‘stay inside stadium til further notice’ due to protest activity outside stadium - @BaltimoreOEM
see original on twitter.com

69 Jenner7  Apr 25, 2015 6:56:50pm

Oh look, they’re throwing things.

As opposed to being shot in the back or their spine severed or paralyzed by police.

Which headline plays better??

70 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 25, 2015 6:56:56pm

And of course all this shit would go down on a Saturday night when most people don’t even pay attention to the news.

71 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 25, 2015 6:58:40pm
72 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 25, 2015 7:01:36pm

WTFITS?

73 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 7:02:17pm
74 William Lewis  Apr 25, 2015 7:03:55pm

When is America going to wake up to the fact that unless you are White & Rich the police are the enemy? That they can and will kill you for no reason and will get away with it unless it’s politically expedient to have a scapegoat?

“You have the right not to be killed. Murder is a crime. Unless it was done by a policeman. Or an aristocrat.”
The Clash.

75 Targetpractice  Apr 25, 2015 7:07:45pm

re: #72 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

WTFITS?

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Probably another one of those who, like Ferguson, thought the mayor needed to order a crackdown and start busting heads.

Because it worked in LA after the King verdict, right?////

76 Jenner7  Apr 25, 2015 7:11:04pm

Just heard on ESPN that people in Camden can now leave….

77 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 7:11:26pm

That was totally unnecessary, making them wait.

Was Godzilla at the gates or something?

78 gwangung  Apr 25, 2015 7:11:31pm

re: #75 Targetpractice

Probably another one of those who, like Ferguson, thought the mayor needed to order a crackdown and start busting heads.

Because it worked in LA after the King verdict, right?////

#FirstWorldProblem.

Wanna see a REAL riot? Go to Tiananmen Square, 1989.

Dude’s a pansy ass who woulda lined up with the PRC back then.

79 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 7:15:29pm

re: #78 gwangung

Yes, it takes real guts, true bravery, to get out there and demand what you want as a citizen, what some take for granted, even when those people think you’re wrong and don’t want you to have it. Screw those who think “others” don’t deserve what they already have.

80 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 7:16:47pm

Defeated.

81 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 25, 2015 7:19:07pm

re: #80 Justanotherhuman

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Defeated.

If only.

82 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 25, 2015 7:19:45pm

Tom DeLay: People keep forgetting that God ‘wrote the Constitution’

I have no more desks to flip. :/

83 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 7:20:02pm
84 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 7:20:38pm

re: #82 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Tom DeLay: People keep forgetting that God ‘wrote the Constitution’

I have no more desks to flip. :/

And I have no more fucks to give about Tom Delay.

85 Snarknado!  Apr 25, 2015 7:21:15pm

re: #82 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Tom DeLay: People keep forgetting that God ‘wrote the Constitution’

I have no more desks to flip. :/

God wears a powdered wig?

86 RadicalModerate  Apr 25, 2015 7:23:15pm

President Obama now at the podium, says he doesn’t have a “bucket list” but instead something that rhymes with “bucket”

87 Targetpractice  Apr 25, 2015 7:23:22pm

re: #82 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Tom DeLay: People keep forgetting that God ‘wrote the Constitution’

I have no more desks to flip. :/

88 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 7:23:39pm

Oooo, Pres Obama!

Says someone asked him if he had a “bucket list”. Said he didn’t, but had one that sounded like it. Heh heh.

89 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 7:28:27pm

Secret Service is working to keep people off my lawn.

90 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 7:30:03pm

The only people impersonating journalists on CNN are on CNN.

Zing!

91 Amory Blaine  Apr 25, 2015 7:31:41pm

LOL Ted Cruz.

92 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 7:32:46pm

And Donald Trump is here. Still.

I cannot wait to see who the Koch Bros will pick.

93 Amory Blaine  Apr 25, 2015 7:33:31pm

Go Barack!!

94 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 7:33:55pm

Wow, the zingers keep on coming.

95 TedStriker  Apr 25, 2015 7:34:17pm

re: #88 Justanotherhuman

Oooo, Pres Obama!

Says someone asked him if he had a “bucket list”. Said he didn’t, but had one that sounded like it. Heh heh.

96 Amory Blaine  Apr 25, 2015 7:35:07pm

Luther!

97 Jenner7  Apr 25, 2015 7:37:59pm

oh my god lololol

98 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 25, 2015 7:38:05pm

Just finished watching a GREAT documentary on John Entwistle of The Who over on Hulu. Highly recommended it’s called “An Ox’s Tale: The John Entwistle Story”


Hulu Video

RBS

99 RadicalModerate  Apr 25, 2015 7:38:15pm

THAT’S WHY WE’RE RUNNING FOR OUR THIRD TERM!

“No we’re not”.

WHO SAID THAT?

100 Charles Johnson  Apr 25, 2015 7:39:32pm

Wolf Blitzer sitting there stone-faced.

101 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 7:42:39pm

re: #96 Amory Blaine

Luther!

I love the way some of those people looked so damned uncomfortable. : )

102 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 25, 2015 7:42:51pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

Wolf Blitzer siting there stone-faced.

Fuck Wolf Blitzer. He deserves everything he gets.

103 jaunte  Apr 25, 2015 7:43:37pm

re: #90 Justanotherhuman

The only people impersonating journalists on CNN are on CNN.

Zing!

Some of these journalists have a hard time laughing at themselves.

104 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 25, 2015 7:44:37pm

re: #92 Justanotherhuman

And Donald Trump is here. Still.

I cannot wait to see who the Koch Bros will pick.

Well they were about to pick Scott Walker, but then something happened and they unpicked him. I don’t know why.

105 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 7:44:53pm

Fuckit list: I can turn it off now.

106 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 7:46:21pm

re: #104 Lord Of The Pies

Well they were about to pick Scott Walker, but then something happened and they unpicked him. I don’t know why.

Totally too stupid?

107 William Lewis  Apr 25, 2015 7:47:05pm

re: #102 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Fuck Wolf Blitzer. He deserves everything he gets.

Wolf Blitzer could ask upchuck for journalism lessons and learn something.

108 William Lewis  Apr 25, 2015 7:49:31pm

re: #104 Lord Of The Pies

Well they were about to pick Scott Walker, but then something happened and they unpicked him. I don’t know why.

There are more than a few skeletons in his closet. I’m guessing their background check came back and they said Nope!

109 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 25, 2015 7:50:52pm

re: #108 William Barnett-Lewis

There are more than a few skeletons in his closet. I’m guessing their background check came back and they said Nope!

Maybe they think Brownback is doing more to harm the Poors.

110 Justanotherhuman  Apr 25, 2015 7:55:41pm

Later, Lizards!

Keep calm and don’t forget the Fuckit List. : )

111 stpaulbear  Apr 25, 2015 7:58:25pm

re: #104 Lord Of The Pies

Well they were about to pick Scott Walker, but then something happened and they unpicked him. I don’t know why.

According to the NYT, Walker said something about banning immigrants. The Koch brothers want cheap labor, so they’re not amused.

112 teleskiguy  Apr 25, 2015 8:01:55pm

Oh Twitter, you kill me sometimes.

113 Targetpractice  Apr 25, 2015 8:05:46pm

re: #111 stpaulbear

According to the NYT, Walker said something about banning immigrants. The Koch brothers want cheap labor, so they’re not amused.

He basically said the other day that, in addition to stamping out illegal immigration, he thinks we should consider slowing or stopping legal immigration for awhile, because there’s too many natives without jobs. Something that plays well with the cheap seats, but is toxic to the Koch crowd who rely heavily on H-1B visas to cover their educated labor needs cheaply.

114 jaunte  Apr 25, 2015 8:06:28pm

“A Libertarian is just a Republican you have to block on Twitter.”

115 psddluva4evah  Apr 25, 2015 8:08:07pm

I still can’t believe Obama brought on Luther…lol.

ICYMI: Courtesy of White House twitter

116 Jenner7  Apr 25, 2015 8:09:49pm

Just insane….

117 Targetpractice  Apr 25, 2015 8:10:39pm

Basically, Walker fell prey to the Wingnut Primary, by which I mean he tried too hard to sell himself as even crazier on immigration than Ted Cruz, and he instead made himself absolutely clown shoes to Big Money.

118 Jenner7  Apr 25, 2015 8:12:54pm

Cecily was not the worst. She had a couple good ones…

119 Targetpractice  Apr 25, 2015 8:14:59pm

A month ago, I’d think I was crazy for saying this, but I’m gonna say it now…I think Rubio might end up being the GOP nominee. Because it seems that all those things I used to write him off before now, from being hopelessly naive to having virtually no record to run on, makes him golden to the establishment.

120 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 25, 2015 8:24:28pm

re: #115 psddluva4evah

I still can’t believe Obama brought on Luther…lol.

ICYMI: Courtesy of White House twitter

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Khaleesi is coming to Westeros

121 ObserverArt  Apr 25, 2015 8:25:35pm

Oh, there has just got to be some big butthurting going on with Obama and this WHCD routine.

I can hear it all now. Undignified. Too Black. Too Angry. Too pointed. Too political.

Too funny.

122 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 25, 2015 8:27:51pm

re: #121 ObserverArt

Oh, there has just got to be some big butthurting going on with Obama and this WHCD routine.

I can hear it all now. Undignified. Too Black. Too Angry. Too pointed. Too political.

Too funny.

most of what I saw at FR was sniping on Michelle’s dress and appearance. The usual garbage.

RBS

123 ObserverArt  Apr 25, 2015 8:32:22pm

re: #119 Targetpractice

A month ago, I’d think I was crazy for saying this, but I’m gonna say it now…I think Rubio might end up being the GOP nominee. Because it seems that all those things I used to write him off before now, from being hopelessly naive to having virtually no record to run on, makes him golden to the establishment.

I am now wondering if John Kasich is figuring into this somehow. He’s like a snake out there hiding in the tall grass. I am pretty sure he is attractive to someone like the Kochs. The longer he can stay on the sidelines and out of the nuttiness, let all that play out, pick up the pieces that sell well, then he can ride in on his high horse like a white night funded by the Koch money.

124 Targetpractice  Apr 25, 2015 8:33:02pm

re: #121 ObserverArt

Oh, there has just got to be some big butthurting going on with Obama and this WHCD routine.

I can hear it all now. Undignified. Too Black. Too Angry. Too pointed. Too political.

Too funny.

Oh yeah, somebody tomorrow on the Sunday Funnies will have their knickers in a wad about something said tonight and it’ll carry over into the week. Something the President said or a guest said will be the subject of demands for an “apology.”

125 Targetpractice  Apr 25, 2015 8:35:35pm

re: #123 ObserverArt

I am now wondering if John Kasich is figuring into this somehow. He’s like a snake out there hiding in the tall grass. I am pretty sure he is attractive to someone like the Kochs. The longer he can stay on the sidelines and out of the nuttiness, let all that play out, pick up the pieces that sell well, then he can ride in on his high horse like a white night funded by the Koch money.

That’s the thing about a wide-open field that is ignored by those who are demanding a “strong” Dem bench, that that’s “strong” GOP bench is presently self-destructing before it even reaches the primaries. Walker’s imploding, Bush is stalling out, Aqua Buddha’s mystique is wearing off, and Cruz is an absolute joke. The only one who seems to be riding out the storm is Rubio, and that’s because nobody sees him as a serious threat.

126 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 25, 2015 8:48:05pm

Well gang, I’m gonna call it a night. Just got a text from my dive buddy, he’s coming down with a bad cold and is going to bail out of our dive tomorrow. Now I’m thinking that I may not go up to the quarry, with all the rain that has passed through this evening, visibility is going to suck, and I don’t really feel like going up there and hoping that there is somebody I can dive with.

Such is life. Maybe I’ll go see a movie tomorrow. Humm… Ex Machina, which is scoring a 90% at Rotten Tomatoes, and looks like a good thought provoking film, or Paul Blair: Mall Cop 2, which is coming in at 4%. (I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything score that low). Decisions, decisions.

RBS

127 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 25, 2015 8:52:10pm

re: #107 William Barnett-Lewis

Wolf Blitzer could ask upchuck for journalism lessons and learn something.

You’re giving UpChuck waaaaaay too much credit there.

128 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 25, 2015 8:53:41pm

re: #121 ObserverArt

…

129 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 25, 2015 9:00:55pm

And… it’s gone.

130 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 25, 2015 9:24:03pm

re: #125 Targetpractice

That’s the thing about a wide-open field that is ignored by those who are demanding a “strong” Dem bench, that that’s “strong” GOP bench is presently self-destructing before it even reaches the primaries. Walker’s imploding, Bush is stalling out, Aqua Buddha’s mystique is wearing off, and Cruz is an absolute joke. The only one who seems to be riding out the storm is Rubio, and that’s because nobody sees him as a serious threat.

The problem is that there are always more elections. Not getting potential nominees for 2016, 2020, and beyond in front of voters now is a missed opportunity.

131 CleverToad  Apr 25, 2015 9:25:53pm

re: #121 ObserverArt

Loud, sniffly, richly-deserved sore nether sides. That bit with Luther was priceless.

I’ve always liked Obama even when I didn’t agree with some of his positons actions. I am sooooo enjoying this I-never-have-to-run-again phase. More popcorn, please!

132 Lidane  Apr 25, 2015 9:44:30pm

re: #115 psddluva4evah

I still can’t believe Obama brought on Luther…lol.

ICYMI: Courtesy of White House twitter

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Shorter Obama/Luther:

133 sagehen  Apr 25, 2015 9:53:47pm

for those (like me) who didn’t watch live…

Cecily Strong
c-span.org

The President
c-span.org

134 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 25, 2015 10:05:49pm

We were comparing Arrow and Daredevil (the TV series, that is) the other day, and the verdict was DD is a much better drama. I noted that Arrow runs on network TV, which means the scriptwriters can’t be as explicit as they can on a paid-for “network” like Netflix. So, Arrow tends to be bland by comparison.

Watching Arrow just now, I realized another difference. DD writers have 14 more minutes per episode to develop a story. Once you remove the commercials, a typical Arrow ep is only 43 minutes long. Plus, the commercial breaks force each scene to be comparatively short.

Makes me wonder what Arrow would be like if each episode was closer to an hour long.

135 Lidane  Apr 25, 2015 10:34:25pm

re: #131 CleverToad

Loud, sniffly, richly-deserved sore nether sides. That bit with Luther was priceless.

I’ve always liked Obama even when I didn’t agree with some of his positons actions. I am sooooo enjoying this I-never-have-to-run-again phase. More popcorn, please!

Oh man. His speech at next year’s WHCD is going to be amazing. It’s going to be his last one, the election will be in full swing by then, and his Fuckit List will be even longer by that point.

I can’t wait.

136 Lidane  Apr 25, 2015 10:49:46pm

re: #119 Targetpractice

A month ago, I’d think I was crazy for saying this, but I’m gonna say it now…I think Rubio might end up being the GOP nominee. Because it seems that all those things I used to write him off before now, from being hopelessly naive to having virtually no record to run on, makes him golden to the establishment.

Plus Rubio’s already got his own birther nutbars, so he’s set. Heh.

I still say the big money donors are going to go with Jeb or Christie. They’ll pick the one that’s less damaged and run with him. I would’ve said that Walker had a chance, but once he decided to lose his goddamn mind and babble about cutting LEGAL immigration, I changed my mind.

The big money types who give millions of dollars want EASIER legal immigration because that helps them attract and retain the best talent. They also want things like same-sex marriage and non-discrimination laws protecting LGBT people for the same reason. Walker signed his death warrant when he went off-script to try and outcrazy Ted Cruz.

137 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Apr 25, 2015 11:01:41pm

re: #136 Lidane

The money will go with the guy who will win the primary. Immigration won’t mean a thing because the Republicans will just live with the status quo and use that to attack the Democrats; business will keep its labor stream. Ultimately, Jeb will be the nominee, just like it was obvious that Mitt was going to be the nominee last time. Christie doesn’t just have a problem with bridgegate, he will have a problem defending his tenure as US Attorney in NJ. He always manged to catch low and mid level bad guys, but never the big fish. He was really average. It was a blurb briefly a couple of years ago, but you can bet it will come back big if he runs.

138 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 25, 2015 11:02:05pm

re: #136 Lidane

Plus Rubio’s already got his own birther nutbars, so he’s set. Heh.

I still say the big money donors are going to go with Jeb or Christie. They’ll pick the one that’s less damaged and run with him. I would’ve said that Walker had a chance, but once he decided to lose his goddamn mind and babble about cutting LEGAL immigration, I changed my mind.

The big money types who give millions of dollars want EASIER legal immigration because that helps them attract and retain the best talent. They also want things like same-sex marriage and non-discrimination laws protecting LGBT people for the same reason. Walker signed his death warrant when he went off-script to try and outcrazy Ted Cruz.

Besides which, Walker is a pipsqueak. Running him would be like putting Ryan at the top of the ticket in 2012.

The only question in my mind is whether 2016 will see the teabagger revolt, or whether the plutocrats can keep the lid on for another cycle. If they can, after they lose again, then 2020 is going to be a shitshow such as has never been seen before.

139 Kragar  Apr 25, 2015 11:28:48pm
140 William Lewis  Apr 25, 2015 11:52:04pm

re: #127 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

You’re giving UpChuck waaaaaay too much credit there.

Not really. Wolf is that bad.

141 Nyet  Apr 26, 2015 12:35:30am

Federal Investigators Take Over Probe Into Police Operation In Grozny

When will the Dwarf understand that keeping Kadyrov does not contribute to stability in the region, in fact quite the contrary?

142 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 26, 2015 1:15:56am

re: #139 Kragar

In Iowa, GOP field stresses opposition to same-sex marriage:

They are making their market position clear, but they will be disappointed when all those masses of True Conservative American Voters do not turn out in droves to support them.

143 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 26, 2015 1:16:50am

re: #141 Nyet

Federal Investigators Take Over Probe Into Police Operation In Grozny

When will the Dwarf understand that keeping Kadyrov does not contribute to stability in the region, in fact quite the contrary?

Sort of like keeping Saddam in Iraq or Qaddafi in Libya: the alternatives are as bad or worse.

144 Nyet  Apr 26, 2015 1:21:32am

re: #143 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Sort of like keeping Saddam in Iraq or Qaddafi in Libya: the alternatives are as bad or worse.

Not true.

145 Kragar  Apr 26, 2015 1:21:39am

re: #142 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Every day, the GOP shows us the easiest way to prove a person is unfit to lead the nation is to win a GOP primary

146 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 26, 2015 1:24:25am

re: #145 Kragar

Every day, the GOP shows us the easiest way to prove a person is unfit to lead the nation is to win a GOP primary

We voters are simply unworthy of the GOP message. We have been corrupted by Free Government Stuff, Gay Marriage and Abortion on Demand.

147 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 26, 2015 1:25:12am

re: #144 Nyet

Not true.

I left off the question mark…why is he worse than the alternatives?

148 Nyet  Apr 26, 2015 1:26:50am

re: #147 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I left off the question mark…why is he worse than the alternatives?

Because he’s finally out of control.

149 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 26, 2015 1:29:10am

re: #148 Nyet

Because he’s finally out of control.

I assume that this is an example of the problem that comes when all authority flows from the top down: to admit that Kadyrov is making mistakes is to admit that that the Big Boss has made a mistake, and he does not err.

150 Nyet  Apr 26, 2015 1:31:09am

re: #149 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

You probably haven’t been paying attention to the recent news. Kadyrov has been shitting all over Putin’s “vertical of power” in the last few months.

151 Nyet  Apr 26, 2015 1:32:07am

re: #149 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

meduza.io

152 Dr Lizardo  Apr 26, 2015 1:32:47am

Looks like Nepal got hit with a pretty powerful aftershock, 6.7.

google.org

153 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 26, 2015 1:32:49am

re: #150 Nyet

You probably haven’t been paying attention to the recent news. Kadyrov has been shitting all over Putin’s “vertical of power” in the last few months.

I have not been following Chechnya very closely, no.

154 Dr Lizardo  Apr 26, 2015 1:34:53am

re: #150 Nyet

You probably haven’t been paying attention to the recent news. Kadyrov has been shitting all over Putin’s “vertical of power” in the last few months.

Not to mention this;

Russia’s Interior Ministry has denounced Kremlin-backed Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov’s comment encouraging law-enforcement officers to “shoot to kill” security forces from other parts of Russia that conduct operations in Chechnya without its consent.

The ministry said in an April 23 statement that it considers the comment “unacceptable for the leader of the Chechen Republic.”

Kadyrov made the remark at an April 21 meeting with law-enforcement officers in Chechnya’s capital, Grozny.

rferl.org

155 Nyet  Apr 26, 2015 1:38:13am

re: #154 Dr Lizardo

And already after that Kadyrov (verbally) attacked both MVD and Bastrykin’s Investigative Committee. No other figure in the system would dare to do 1/10th of what Kadyrov does while going completely unscathed.

156 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 26, 2015 1:38:37am

re: #154 Dr Lizardo

Russia’s Interior Ministry has denounced Kremlin-backed Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov’s comment encouraging law-enforcement officers to “shoot to kill” security forces from other parts of Russia that conduct operations in Chechnya without its consent.

Sounds like he could be governor of a southern US state…

157 Nyet  Apr 26, 2015 1:40:29am

re: #156 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Russia’s Interior Ministry has denounced Kremlin-backed Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov’s comment encouraging law-enforcement officers to “shoot to kill” security forces from other parts of Russia that conduct operations in Chechnya without its consent.

Sounds like he could be governor of a southern US state…

Fortunately your governors don’t have even a modicum of the power Kadyrov has in his fiefdom.

158 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 26, 2015 1:41:50am

re: #157 Nyet

Fortunately your governors don’t have even a modicum of the power Kadyrov has in his fiefdom.

They only dream of it…

159 Decatur Deb  Apr 26, 2015 1:45:25am

It’s 0340, and our town hasn’t figured out if we got hit by a tornado or not. At any rate, the power came back on while we slept. About 30,000 people or more lost it for most of the night. We’ve got trees where there were no trees before.

(It’s absurd to expect accurate information from serious remote disasters like Nepal. The first thing that goes is the ability to assess and communicate.)

160 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 26, 2015 2:00:24am

re: #159 Decatur Deb

It’s absurd to expect accurate information from serious remote disasters like Nepal. The first thing that go is the ability to assess and communicate.

Yes, I initially heard reports of 70-100 killed…

161 Nyet  Apr 26, 2015 2:38:24am

…

162 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 26, 2015 2:42:28am

re: #135 Lidane

Oh man. His speech at next year’s WHCD is going to be amazing. It’s going to be his last one, the election will be in full swing by then, and his Fuckit List will be even longer by that point.

I can’t wait.

This. I just saw the bit with Luther. And I would note that I “called” it before it happened. :)

163 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 3:38:46am

Anyone here? : ) Get off the mountain. Please.

Kathmandu Airport closed following 6.7 aftershock; no planes allowed to land - @vaitor
end of alert

Large earthquake felt on Mount Everest, tremor causes rockfall on surrounding peaks - @alpenglowexp
end of alert

@ClimberJim tweets: ‘Just had our biggest aftershock yet here at C1 on Everest. Smaller than original quake but glacier shook & avalanches’
end of alert

164 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 3:55:49am

Kathmandu Airport has re-opened following closure due to aftershock - @rahulkanwal
end of alert

165 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 3:57:48am

Nepal official says death toll could climb to around 5,000. Officially 2K now as bodies are recovered.

166 Kragar  Apr 26, 2015 3:58:00am
167 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 26, 2015 4:01:33am

re: #165 Justanotherhuman

Nepal official says death toll could climb to around 5,000. Officially 2K now as bodies are recovered.

Most of the buildings were made of brick and not earthquake-proof, so there were many collapses in the cities. I’ve seen reports of Aussies, Chinese and even a Google X executive among the fatalities.

168 Nyet  Apr 26, 2015 4:01:38am

re: #166 Kragar

169 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 26, 2015 4:04:39am

re: #168 Nyet

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obsessed not only with gay/trans sex, but with gay/trans pee and poo…

170 Nyet  Apr 26, 2015 4:04:51am

Wait until this dude learns that the ad creators are on his side of the political spectrum:

171 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 26, 2015 4:07:05am

re: #170 Nyet

Wait until this dude learns that the ad creators are on his side of the political spectrum:

NY Judge allows ad “Killing Jews is worship that draws you close to Allah.” More like hell

misses the point that the ad is quoting an ISIS member.

the fact that the ad is from Pam Geller and seeks to tar all Muslims by association with this fellow is another matter

172 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 4:17:12am

re: #166 Kragar

They need a rich white person with a little less money?

Transgender Reporter: Bruce Jenner’s ‘Still Trying to Cling Onto That Maleness’

mediaite.com

I noted on another thread that Jenner doesn’t refer to himself in female terms and I’m hoping this isn’t some publicity stunt to establish a brand for himself as all the Kardashian women have done. I can’t imagine living in that atmosphere myself.

173 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 26, 2015 4:18:58am

So, I’m getting this weird thing now with some websites, which I suspect is being caused by the Chinese Great Cannon. threatpost.com

Instead of the site I’ve requested, I get sent to wpkg.org, some kind of software installer app.

174 Nyet  Apr 26, 2015 4:20:57am

Heh, I love how Carrier turns the theistic argument against itself:

freethoughtblogs.com

P1: In the beginning, there was absolutely nothing.
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P2: If there was absolutely nothing, then (apart from logical necessity) nothing existed to prevent anything from happening or to make any one thing happening more likely than any other thing.
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C1: Therefore, in the beginning, nothing existed to prevent anything from happening or to make any one thing happening more likely than any other thing.
-
P3: Of all the logically possible things that can happen when nothing exists to prevent them from happening, continuing to be nothing is one thing, one universe popping into existence is another thing, two universes popping into existence is yet another thing, and so on all the way to infinitely many universes popping into existence, and likewise for every cardinality of infinity, and every configuration of universes.
-
C2: Therefore [given logical necessity], continuing to be nothing was no more likely than one universe popping into existence, which was no more likely than two universes popping into existence, which was no more likely than infinitely many universes popping into existence, which was no more likely than any other particular number or cardinality of universes popping into existence.
-
P4: If each outcome (0 universes, 1 universe, 2 universes, etc. all the way to aleph-0 universes, aleph-1 universes, etc. [note that there is more than one infinity in this sequence]) is no more likely than the next, then the probability of any finite number of universes (including zero universes) or less having popped into existence is infinitely close to zero, and the probability of some infinite number of universes having popped into existence is infinitely close to one hundred percent.
-
C3: Therefore, the probability of some infinite number of universes having popped into existence is infinitely close to one hundred percent.
-
P5: If there are infinitely many universes, and our universe has a nonzero probability of existing (as by existing it proves it does, via cogito ergo sum), then the probability that our universe would exist is infinitely close to one hundred percent (because any nonzero probability approaches one hundred percent as the number of selections approaches infinity, via the infinite monkey theorem, similar to the law of large numbers).
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C4: Therefore, if in the beginning there was absolutely nothing, then the probability that our universe would exist is infinitely close to one hundred percent.

175 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 26, 2015 4:27:43am

re: #173 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Well, I got the same result with my VPN. And even on my Android phone, some sites send me to wpkg.org. Any of you clever IT guys have a clue what’s going on?

176 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 4:41:20am

OTOH, Zoey Tur gets criticized by a male reporter at The Advocate for her own positions as a transgender woman.

Trans Reporter Zoey Tur in Hot Water Over Remarks on Trans Bodies, Rights
Following contentious commentary, trans advocates are vocally questioning Zoey Tur’s recently established role as a media spokesperson.

advocate.com

Even when you’re a transgender M/F, the men want to set you right about your chosen gender.

Fuck it. As a feminist most of my life, I saw this coming.

177 Lidane  Apr 26, 2015 5:09:49am

re: #139 Kragar

Please proceed. Making the 2016 election about teh ghey is a great idea.

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178 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 26, 2015 5:12:49am

re: #177 Lidane

Please proceed. Making the 2016 election about teh ghey is a great idea.

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gays, immigrants and abortions: three issues guaranteed to sink the GOP

179 Lidane  Apr 26, 2015 5:15:23am

re: #178 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

gays, immigrants and abortions: three issues guaranteed to sink the GOP

And three issues they all have to pander to the extremists about in order to win the nomination.

Fun times.

180 FemNaziBitch  Apr 26, 2015 5:22:19am

Most Excellent!!!

181 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 26, 2015 5:27:09am

Breitbart has a lurid account this morning of “violent riots” that have “shut down” the city of Baltimore. To anyone who was paying attention, it is obvious that it was the high handed antics of the Baltimore police, not the protests themselves, that shut down the city.

It is important to realize that in today’s cultishly authoritarian police culture, the resulting outrage is not a bug but a feature. From travelers stranded on the closed interstate to the imprisoned crowd at the ballpark, thousands of complete innocents got the message loud and clear that the cops can do anything they like and there is fuck all the little people can do about it.

I think we might be headed for a catastrophic breakdown of law and order in this country. People are fed up with being robbed and abused at every turn by the very people they have empowered to prevent robbery and abuse. Police excess and arrogance, from gleefully shooting dogs and beating old ladies to “asset forfeiture,” is designed for one thing, to intimidate the law abiding, to emphasize the power and supremacy of law enforcement to the “sheep.”
The problem with this is the apparent assumption by many police that their power and authority is theirs and theirs alone. This is why they remain so amazingly oblivious to the rising tide of anger and resentment from all points of the political spectrum. They lost the left decades ago, and they are in the process of losing the right.

Their power is not theirs alone, though. Their power and authority is still, both legally and practically, based solely on the consent of the public. Think about it: The average urban police department is outnumbered hundreds to one by the people they increasingly seek to dominate and whose consent is essential to their power. Some spark, an urban equivalent of Bundy Ranch for example, could lead to a conflagration that could spread across the country in a matter of hours when people realize just who has the real power and who does not.

182 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 26, 2015 5:29:29am

re: #181 Shiplord Kirel

It is nonetheless presented as proof by some that all the protestors are all losers and thugs who are only out to incite violence and chaos

183 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 5:29:43am

Officials say toll from Nepal earthquake now at more than 2,300 dead - @BBCSanjoyM
see original on twitter.com

184 Varek Raith  Apr 26, 2015 5:30:46am

Let’s try posting in the correct thread…

cnn.com

185 Decatur Deb  Apr 26, 2015 5:33:41am

re: #182 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It is nonetheless presented as proof by some that all the protestors are all losers and thugs who are only out to incite violence and chaos

Used to call ‘em ‘dirty hippies’, but then their music caught on.

186 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 5:38:29am

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, far left, speaks to workers involved in creating a 100-year seal over the former Chernobyl reactor, on the 29th anniversary of the nuclear disaster

187 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 5:48:55am
188 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 5:54:37am

re: #181 Shiplord Kirel

I’m sure the people of Baltimore will beg to differ.

189 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 5:59:20am
190 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 26, 2015 6:01:20am

I’ve spent the last few hours deep diving into Malcolm X documentaries. What a journey he had. When Maya Angelou says, it was only in the last few years that I forgave him for dying, that’s some powerful words. There just wasn’t enough time after his trip to Mecca. :(

This is just randomness spurred by the events of Baltimore last night.

191 William Lewis  Apr 26, 2015 6:18:39am

re: #181 Shiplord Kirel

I wait on the moment when Americans, all of them, understand that unless you’re white AND rich, the Police are the enemy. That will be a actual revolutionary moment.

192 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 26, 2015 6:20:54am

re: #138 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Besides which, Walker is a pipsqueak. Running him would be like putting Ryan at the top of the ticket in 2012.

The only question in my mind is whether 2016 will see the teabagger revolt, or whether the plutocrats can keep the lid on for another cycle. If they can, after they lose again, then 2020 is going to be a shitshow such as has never been seen before.

I’m reminded of the old joke, the punch line is “All I see is a monkey trying to get the cork back in”

RBS

193 FemNaziBitch  Apr 26, 2015 6:21:25am

re: #188 Justanotherhuman

I’m sure the people of Baltimore will beg to differ.

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does seem like a movie of a dystopian future —does it?

194 FemNaziBitch  Apr 26, 2015 6:22:26am

I’ve been hearing whisperings of revolution for a few years now. I was hoping it would be political and economic.

195 Dr Lizardo  Apr 26, 2015 6:24:02am

re: #192 RealityBasedSteve

I’m reminded of the old joke, the punch line is “All I see is a monkey trying to get the cork back in”

RBS

The wingnuts seem to be lining up behind Cruz; I think if he doesn’t get the nomination - or at least the VP slot - then you’ll see a teabagger revolt, possibly at the GOP convention.

Who knows? The convention itself could be the scene of the showdown between the wingnut base and the plutocrats who run the GOP. That could be interesting. I suspect there’s not enough popcorn in the world for that spectacle.

196 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 26, 2015 6:36:42am

re: #195 Dr Lizardo

The wingnuts seem to be lining up behind Cruz; I think if he doesn’t get the nomination - or at least the VP slot - then you’ll see a teabagger revolt, possibly at the GOP convention.

Who knows? The convention itself could be the site of the showdown between the wingnut base and the plutocrats who run the GOP. That could be interesting. I suspect there’s not enough popcorn in the world for that spectacle.

That WOULD be interesting. I annoyed a conservative friend of mine by pointing out that Rubio and Cruz are #4 and 6 respectively in terms of missed votes in the Senate. And that when you take out Mark Kirk (Out for a year due to a stroke), John McCain (Presidential campaign) and Tim Johnson (Brain hemorrhage) they move to positions 1 and 3 respectively.

Good article at nationaljournal.com

RBS

197 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 26, 2015 6:37:32am

re: #195 Dr Lizardo

The wingnuts seem to be lining up behind Cruz; I think if he doesn’t get the nomination - or at least the VP slot - then you’ll see a teabagger revolt, possibly at the GOP convention.

Sheldon Adelson spent tens of millions backing Newt Gingrich to split the base vote, making sure that Rick Santorum would be not be there to lead a floor fight at the GOP convention.

I don’t know if there will be enough millions to stop that from happening this time around.

198 Dr Lizardo  Apr 26, 2015 6:43:22am

re: #197 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Sheldon Adelson spent tens of millions backing Newt Gingrich to split the base vote, making sure that Rick Santorum would be not be there to lead a floor fight at the GOP convention.

I don’t know if there will be enough millions to stop that from happening this time around.

A floor fight at the GOP convention? Wingnut on plutocrat action?!

Hoo boy. That would be some prime entertainment.

199 Lidane  Apr 26, 2015 6:44:27am

re: #195 Dr Lizardo

The wingnuts seem to be lining up behind Cruz; I think if he doesn’t get the nomination - or at least the VP slot - then you’ll see a teabagger revolt, possibly at the GOP convention.

Who knows? The convention itself could be the scene of the showdown between the wingnut base and the plutocrats who run the GOP. That could be interesting. I suspect there’s not enough popcorn in the world for that spectacle.

If Ted Cruz gets marginalized at the polls and SCOTUS rules against the RWNJs on gay marriage, I expect a VERY contentious GOP convention next year. A floor fight is unlikely since both parties have changed their rules in recent years to prevent that from happening, but a massive infight at the RNC would be catastrophic.

Still, if Cruz gets ignored and SCOTUS strikes down SSM bans, there will be a lot of buthurt and demands from the RWNJs. The minimum that will satisfy them would be Cruz as VP. They’re going to be just like Tony Perkins and demanding SCOTUS impeachments for every justice that rules in favor of SSM.

200 Dr Lizardo  Apr 26, 2015 6:47:02am

re: #199 Lidane

If Ted Cruz gets marginalized at the polls and SCOTUS rules against the RWNJs on gay marriage, I expect a VERY contentious GOP convention next year. A floor fight is unlikely since both parties have changed their rules in recent years to prevent that from happening, but a massive infight at the RNC would be catastrophic.

Still, if Cruz gets ignored and SCOTUS strikes down SSM bans, there will be a lot of buthurt and demands from the RWNJs. The minimum that will satisfy them would be Cruz as VP. They’re going to be just like Tony Perkins and demanding SCOTUS impeachments for every justice that rules in favor of SSM.

Yeah, I can see that happening. The butthurt from the wingnut base would be off the charts under such a scenario.

201 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 26, 2015 6:47:33am

Perusing my Twitter TL tonight, I see that UpChuck is up to his usual tricks slutshaming Emma Sulkowicz of Columbia U. Plus, he’s reminding everyone of his own brush with accusations of sexual harassment.

202 Dr Lizardo  Apr 26, 2015 6:52:14am

Here’s a good example of your typical wingnut on the subject of SSM, courtesy of the fever swamp.

Tyrant is a judge that redefines and thus rewrite a law and practice upheld for centuries. Im afraid should they act again as tyrants we will need much more than marching to restore law and order to our land we will need impeachment and beheading. For there can be no law while employees in black robes can simply rewite it after 2 hundred years of settled practice.

This is a matter of rule of law written by the people & their states vs uneledcted federal employees in black robes.

You can’t after all have a nation of law that changes at the whim of tyrants rather than the due process of a legislator.

These folks vote.

*headdesk*

203 Lidane  Apr 26, 2015 7:01:28am

re: #202 Dr Lizardo

These folks vote.

*headdesk*

Now imagine those folks after SCOTUS rules against them AND after their favored wingnut candidate gets beaten soundly by an establishment type like Jeb Bush.

Fun times.

204 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 26, 2015 7:03:40am

A sampling of UpChuck’s tweets today:

The thing he wrote was a blog post in college that called his then-GF a liar and a cheater, which prompted her to file harassment charges against him. He then wrote about the whole affair, and his apparent exoneration, in The Claremont Conservative. claremontconservative.com

205 Dr Lizardo  Apr 26, 2015 7:08:12am

re: #203 Lidane

Now imagine those folks after SCOTUS rules against them AND after their favored wingnut candidate gets beaten soundly by an establishment type like Jeb Bush.

Fun times.

If SCOTUS rules against them on SSM, the derpocalypse will be upon us; they’ll be in a frenzy.

206 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 7:09:55am

Investigators are gathering data at scene of 2014 Tamir Rice shooting to create 3-D model of events that led to 12-year-old’s fatal shooting by officer - @wkyc

wkyc.com

207 ObserverArt  Apr 26, 2015 7:11:47am

re: #195 Dr Lizardo

The wingnuts seem to be lining up behind Cruz; I think if he doesn’t get the nomination - or at least the VP slot - then you’ll see a teabagger revolt, possibly at the GOP convention.

Who knows? The convention itself could be the scene of the showdown between the wingnut base and the plutocrats who run the GOP. That could be interesting. I suspect there’s not enough popcorn in the world for that spectacle.

Morning LGF gang!

I’ve been saying for some time there might be a connection to the TeaParty and the old hippie protesters. A tenuous connection as many are not real hippie protesters, but they still come from the generation of protester and maybe they see themselves as those old Vietnam era “take it to the streets” types.

If they get pissed off enough and they do have a convention showdown in Cleveland next summer, will it get as nasty as the 1968 Democratic National Convention? I doubt it, but one never knows these days.

208 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 7:12:07am
209 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 26, 2015 7:13:04am

re: #205 Dr Lizardo

If SCOTUS rules against them on SSM, the derpocalypse will be upon us; they’ll be in a frenzy.

I predict the Court will vote 6-3 to allow SSM to be legal. Thomas, Alito and Scalia are diehard cons and would probably oppose it, and will find some convoluted logic to support their position.

210 Dark_Falcon  Apr 26, 2015 7:14:15am

re: #204 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

A sampling of UpChuck’s tweets today:

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The thing he wrote was a blog post in college that called his then-GF a liar and a cheater, which prompted her to file harassment charges against him. He then wrote about the whole affair, and his apparent exoneration, in The Claremont Conservative. claremontconservative.com

UpChuck has all three of main weapons deployed in that series, plus one support weapon:

1. Doxing (or the threat to dox)

2. Gender-based attacks such as Slut shaming or calling the woman he’s targeted a ‘bitch’.

3. Calling the person he’s going after a liar (without offering proof, of course).

4 (Support). Describing his victim’s foe in laudatory terms.

So the pattern we see from Chucky is:

1. Dox
2. DARVO
3. Project
4. DARVO again

211 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 7:18:07am

re: #209 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I predict the Court will vote 6-3 to allow SSM to be legal. Thomas, Alito and Scalia are diehard cons and would probably oppose it, and will find some convoluted logic to support their position.

I’ll predict 6-3 too. And yes I totally expect the so-con nuts that make up the majority of the GOP to go nuts over it.

212 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 26, 2015 7:18:16am

re: #210 Dark_Falcon

UpChuck has all three of main weapons deployed in that series, plus one support weapon:

1. Doxing (or the threat to dox)

2. Gender-based attacks such as Slut shaming or calling the woman he’s targeted a ‘bitch’.

3. Calling the person he’s going after a liar (without offering proof, of course).

4 (Support). Describing his victim’s foe in laudatory terms.

So the pattern we see from Chucky is:

1. Dox
2. DARVO
3. Project
4. DARVO again

His knuckle-dragging fans will probably oblige him and offer up the two Jane Does as lambs for the slaughter. I wonder if he’ll also be as aggressive in doxxing John Doe.

Slimeball.

213 Dr Lizardo  Apr 26, 2015 7:20:19am

re: #209 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I predict the Court will vote 6-3 to allow SSM to be legal. Thomas, Alito and Scalia are diehard cons and would probably oppose it, and will find some convoluted logic to support their position.

That’s in line with what I’m thinking.

214 Dr Lizardo  Apr 26, 2015 7:21:21am

re: #211 HappyWarrior

I’ll predict 6-3 too. And yes I totally expect the so-con nuts that make up the majority of the GOP to go nuts over it.

Yep……expect overheated, overblown - and quite bluntly, violent - rhetoric.

215 Dark_Falcon  Apr 26, 2015 7:21:51am

re: #208 Justanotherhuman

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216 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 7:22:08am

Potential Shift in Hostage Policy: Officials to Recommend Families Be Free to Pay Ransom

abcnews.go.com

217 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 26, 2015 7:22:10am

re: #209 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I predict the Court will vote 6-3 to allow SSM to be legal. Thomas, Alito and Scalia are diehard cons and would probably oppose it, and will find some convoluted logic to support their position.

T, A & S would probably argue that it is up to states to determine who gets married there (and who is married)

218 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 7:22:12am

re: #213 Dr Lizardo

That’s in line with what I’m thinking.

I really hope it’s 6-3 and furthermore I hope it’s Roberts who writes the majority opinion. And I hope/think they will use Loving as part of the decision.

219 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 7:23:16am

re: #208 Justanotherhuman

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Gee I wonder why.

220 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 26, 2015 7:23:51am

re: #218 HappyWarrior

I really hope it’s 6-3 and furthermore I hope it’s Roberts who writes the majority opinion. And I hope/think they will use Loving as part of the decision.

Roberts strikes me as a pragmatic justice, which I why I think he’ll side with the majority.

221 Dr Lizardo  Apr 26, 2015 7:24:12am

re: #218 HappyWarrior

I really hope it’s 6-3 and furthermore I hope it’s Roberts who writes the majority opinion. And I hope/think they will use Loving as part of the decision.

To my strictly layman’s mind, Loving v Virginia is the most obvious precedent.

222 Dark_Falcon  Apr 26, 2015 7:24:55am

re: #212 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

His knuckle-dragging fans will probably oblige him and offer up the two Jane Does as lambs for the slaughter. I wonder if he’ll also be as aggressive in doxxing John Doe.

Slimeball.

John Doe he might well defend, claiming that male rape shows the “horror of gay passions unleashed” or some kind of shit like that there.

And if Paul Nungesser wants to show he’s not a dirtbag, he’ll tell Chuckie the Clown to get back in his clown car.

223 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 7:25:44am

re: #221 Dr Lizardo

To my strictly layman’s mind, Loving v Virginia is the most obvious precedent.

I actually did some reading on Loving the other day (had to read a law journal review article for my paralegal class) and the similarities are quite striking.

224 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 7:26:25am

re: #220 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Roberts strikes me as a pragmatic justice, which I why I think he’ll side with the majority.

Right, he’s not an idealogue like the other three conservatives are.

225 Dark_Falcon  Apr 26, 2015 7:27:43am

re: #216 Justanotherhuman

Potential Shift in Hostage Policy: Officials to Recommend Families Be Free to Pay Ransom

abcnews.go.com

I think that’s a bad idea. Paying ransom just ensures more terrorism.

226 ObserverArt  Apr 26, 2015 7:27:45am

So, idiot journalist boy wrote a blog about his girlfriend in college did he?

Yeah, that shows how classless he has been all along.

Who knows, maybe that is how the younger people treat each other in relationships now, blabbing it all out in blogs and social sites. But damn, I remember the old idea of being a gentleman and how that stuff stayed between the people in the relationship.

It also shows he was always willing to use the ‘net to tear people down. What a guy. What a cad. I wonder if he and many even know that word anymore.

227 ObserverArt  Apr 26, 2015 7:31:27am

re: #225 Dark_Falcon

I think that’s a bad idea. Paying ransom just ensures more terrorism.

It might just lead to flat out kidnapping for profit, not even in the realm of terrorism such as terrorism is understood these days.

228 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 26, 2015 7:31:59am

re: #222 Dark_Falcon

John Doe he might well defend, claiming that male rape shows the “horror of gay passions unleashed” or some kind of shit like that there.

And if Paul Nungesser wants to show he’s not a dirtbag, he’ll tell Chuckie the Clown to get back in his clown car.

Nungesser is dragging Sulkowicz’s reputation into the courts and thereby public scrutiny. I’m not too clear on what recourse she will now have as a result.

Chuck’s meddling is not going to help anyone in this case, including Nungesser. Already four women have come out to accuse him of sexual assault and/or rape. There may be others.

229 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 7:32:57am
230 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 26, 2015 7:35:29am

re: #226 ObserverArt

. But damn, I remember the old idea of being a gentleman and how that stuff stayed between the people in the relationship.

There was this odd cultural practice, practiced well into the second half of the 20th century in isolated rural parts of America, known as “courtship”. It involved allowing the male to demonstrate that he was a gentleman capable of respecting his partner’s wishes in a number of settings before engaging in any potentially compromising acts with him.

It has come to be supplanted by “the hookup”, in which the young man is only expected to be nice long enough to convince the woman to compromise, or barring that, use force, threats or coercion.

And then, if she complains about it, to call her a “slut” for having had anything to do with him at all in the first place.

231 Dark_Falcon  Apr 26, 2015 7:36:32am

re: #228 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Nungesser is dragging Sulkowicz’s reputation into the courts and thereby public scrutiny. I’m not too clear on what recourse she will now have as a result.

Chuck’s meddling is not going to help anyone in this case, including Nungesser. Already four women have come out to accuse him of sexual assault and/or rape. There may be others.

He pretty much had to sue her or be rendered unemployable.

232 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 7:39:10am

I’m glad Clinton is getting this out front.

Clinton Foundation: ‘Yes, we made mistakes, as many organizations of our size do, but we are acting quickly to remedy them, and have taken steps to ensure they don’t happen in the future’

clintonfoundation.org

For the RW, who seems to think all problems of the poor can be solved by private charity, their protestations ring empty.

233 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 7:41:50am

re: #232 Justanotherhuman

I’m glad Clinton is getting this out front.

Clinton Foundation: ‘Yes, we made mistakes, as many organizations of our size do, but we are acting quickly to remedy them, and have taken steps to ensure they don’t happen in the future’

clintonfoundation.org

For the RW, who seems to think all problems of the poor can be solved by private charity, their protestations ring empty.

Charities are some of the most corrupt entities you’ll encounter. I always laugh when wingers suggest replacing all government aid to the less well off with charity because of that.

234 ObserverArt  Apr 26, 2015 7:42:25am

re: #230 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

There was this odd cultural practice, practiced well into the second half of the 20th century in isolated rural parts of America, known as “courtship”. It involved allowing the male to demonstrate that he was a gentleman capable of respecting his partner’s wishes in a number of settings before engaging in any potentially compromising acts with him.

It has come to be supplanted by “the hookup”, in which the young man is only expected to be nice long enough to convince the woman to compromise, or barring that, use force, threats or coercion.

And then, if she complains about it, to call her a “slut” for having had anything to do with him at all in the first place.

Pretty much seems to be the case, sadly. I guess it all is a part of that ‘libertarianism’ excuse for being a jerk just because you feel like being a jerk.

All that crap is going to have to work itself out if the younger generations on down from here hopes to have some decent social interaction and ordered lives. I can’t see how they can trust one another on anything if they treat each other as just people to get over on and nothing more. How chilling.

235 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 26, 2015 7:45:06am

re: #226 ObserverArt

So, idiot journalist boy wrote a blog about his girlfriend in college did he?

Yeah, that shows how classless he has been all along.

Who knows, maybe that is how the younger people treat each other in relationships now, blabbing it all out in blogs and social sites. But damn, I remember the old idea of being a gentleman and how that stuff stayed between the people in the relationship.

It also shows he was always willing to use the ‘net to tear people down. What a guy. What a cad. I wonder if he and many even know that word anymore.

Here is what he wrote for The Claremont Conservative in 2011. I’ve redacted the GF’s name, even though the CC did not.

TUESDAY, MAY 17, 2011

What the College Accused Me Of — Or, Why I Haven’t Been Blogging
By Charles Johnson at 8:13 AM
Now that I have graduated it is time to explain to my readers why it is that I have been incommunicado these past days.

My cheating, lying ex-girlfriend, XXXXXXXXXXX, was apparently very upset with my blog post describing her as a cheating, lying ex-girlfriend who was making stuff about me and sending it to my admirers on Twitter.

XXXX then made up a frivolous complaint against me saying that I had “harassed” and “defamed” her and brought in the Dean of Students. There was only one problem: I had, in her own writing, emails and chats that showed she had cheated and lied.

He then goes on to detail what the college did and what he did in response to the harassment charges.

236 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 26, 2015 7:46:49am

re: #234 ObserverArt

Pretty much seems to be the case, sadly. I guess it all is a part of that ‘libertarianism’ excuse for being a jerk just because you feel like being a jerk.

In journalism, you reputation for truthful, balanced and responsible reporting was key to your professional success. In social interaction, being regarded as a gentleman was key to your personal success.

Nowadays it is about getting what you want without getting thrown in jail for it, and if you are, blaming it on everyone but yourself.

237 Unabogie  Apr 26, 2015 7:48:42am

re: #235 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Here is what he wrote for The Claremont Conservative in 2011. I’ve redacted the GF’s name, even though the CC did not.

He then goes on to detail what the college did and what he did in response to the harassment charges.

My first reaction is that he’s a really shitty writer.

238 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Apr 26, 2015 7:49:36am

re: #225 Dark_Falcon

I think that’s a bad idea. Paying ransom just ensures more terrorism.

There’s no good answer. Paying ransom helps keep the hostages safer. In the 80s President Reagan would sell weapons to Iran, they would release one hostage and grab another, then we would sell more weapons. Paying ransoms was also a big factor in the minimal loss of life to the Somali pirates.

239 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 7:54:06am

re: #233 HappyWarrior

Charities are some of the most corrupt entities you’ll encounter. I always laugh when wingers suggest replacing all government aid to the less well off with charity because of that.

Well, I don’t like to lump all charities into a generalization, but those who run the boards are most likely responsible for the tenor of charities.

Wherever you have greed, you’ll find corruption everywhere.

Don’t get me wrong; if the Clinton Foundation has made missteps, this is certainly a good time to rectify them. After all, charity, or philanthropy—if you want to call it that—has always been designed for the benefit of those who control the economy, to make themselves look generous.

However, considering the alternative, I will gladly support Clinton as the first female President. That would be a first step in trying to smash a patriarchal society that preys on women and seeks to corrupt all of us to some degree.

240 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 26, 2015 7:55:00am

re: #237 Unabogie

My first reaction is that he’s a really shitty writer.

Agreed. I think he’s one of those people who write one draft of everything, convinced their prose cannot be improved further.

241 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 26, 2015 7:57:01am

Bedtime for me here. I may check in before I head out tomorrow. I’ll be accompanying a student group to Chongqing till Wednesday, so I’m not sure how much I’ll be around here while I’m away.

Play nice, everyone.

242 Nyet  Apr 26, 2015 7:57:07am

re: #231 Dark_Falcon

He pretty much had to sue her or be rendered unemployable.

Then why didn’t he sue her?

243 Nyet  Apr 26, 2015 7:58:00am

re: #228 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Correction: three women and one man.

244 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 7:58:13am
245 Dark_Falcon  Apr 26, 2015 7:59:17am

re: #238 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

There’s no good answer. Paying ransom helps keep the hostages safer. In the 80s President Reagan would sell weapons to Iran, they would release one hostage and grab another, then we would sell more weapons. Paying ransoms was also a big factor in the minimal loss of life to the Somali pirates.

Yes, but the hostages were only part of the reason the weapons were being sold. Another was that some of the profits were funneled to the Contras fighting the Sandanista regime in Nicaragua. This support made the arms sales a ‘two-fer” against Moscow: Iran used I-TOW ATGMs to blow up Iraqi-manned T-72s, while the Sandanistas used supplied arms to fight a regime that the USSR also supplied with weapons.

A third, and much smaller reason, was to field-test systems like the I-TOW. Part of the sales agreement with Iran covered the Iranian Army passing user reports back to the CIA, which passed the critical data from said reports to the relevant armed services. I-TOW data obtained from Iran was used to help design TOW-2A so as to be able to overcome projected armor improvements in Soviet tanks.

246 Dark_Falcon  Apr 26, 2015 8:00:19am

re: #242 Nyet

Then why didn’t he sue her?

I though he had.

247 Nyet  Apr 26, 2015 8:01:12am

re: #246 Dark_Falcon

I though he had.

Maybe check your facts first? He sued Columbia, not Sulkowitz. Here is the complaint:

Scribd Document

248 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 26, 2015 8:02:06am

re: #244 Justanotherhuman

People horrified to see a window smashed in anger but content to watch entire neighborhoods crumble and their people suffer in poverty

Remember when a lot of people in America thought that property rights trumped human rights when it came to slavery?

249 Timothy Watson  Apr 26, 2015 8:02:52am

re: #245 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but the hostages were only part of the reason the weapons were being sold. Another was that some of the profits were funneled to the Contras fighting the Sandanista regime in Nicaragua. This support made the arms sales a ‘two-fer” against Moscow: Iran used I-TOW ATGMs to blow up Iraqi-manned T-72s, while the Sandanistas used supplied arms to fight a regime that the USSR also supplied with weapons.

A third, and much smaller reason, was to field-test systems like the I-TOW. Part of the sales agreement with Iran covered the Iranian Army passing user reports back to the CIA, which passed the critical data from said reports to the relevant armed services. I-TOW data obtained from Iran was used to help design TOW-2A so as to be able to overcome projected armor improvements in Soviet tanks.

You forgot the part where Iran reverse engineered both the TOW and Hawk missiles and now can use them against us when a GOP president invades. Not to mention, Iran only agreed to ceasefire and peace deal due to their heavy casualties and war weariness which would have been even higher if they didn’t have the damn missiles.

In effect, Reagan helped the Mullahs stay in power.

250 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 8:02:58am

Reports: Man Shot and Killed by NYPD at East Village Halfway House

gawker.com

The cops killed a psychiatric patient by invading a treatment center with warrant for a robbery?

How is this even legal?

251 Dark_Falcon  Apr 26, 2015 8:03:30am

re: #232 Justanotherhuman

I’m glad Clinton is getting this out front.

Clinton Foundation: ‘Yes, we made mistakes, as many organizations of our size do, but we are acting quickly to remedy them, and have taken steps to ensure they don’t happen in the future’

clintonfoundation.org

For the RW, who seems to think all problems of the poor can be solved by private charity, their protestations ring empty.

I don’t believe it and it’s unlikely I ever will. The Clinton’s have had too many such ‘mistakes’, and I stopped giving them the benefit of the doubt back in 1998. I’m assuming that the foundation was corrupt from 2009-2012, and possibly later.

252 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 8:04:47am

re: #248 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Remember when a lot of people in America thought that property rights trumped human rights when it came to slavery?

Some still do think property rights trump human rights.

253 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 8:07:45am

re: #248 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

254 Dark_Falcon  Apr 26, 2015 8:07:49am

re: #249 Timothy Watson

You forgot to part where Iran reverse engineered both the TOW and Hawk missiles and now can use them against us when a GOP president invades. Not to mention, Iran only agreed to ceasefire and peace deal due to their heavy casualties and war weariness which would have been even higher if they didn’t have the damn missiles.

In effect, Reagan helped the Mullahs stay in power.

I didn’t forget it. For the Reagan Administration the primary enemy was the Soviet Union. Iran had become a enemy in many ways, true, but if things could be set up so that Iran cost Iraq weapons that the Soviets had to resupply not-fully-at-cost, then so much the better in the Reagan Administration’s eyes.

The actions of both the USA and USSR regarding the Iran-Iraq War must be seen in the context of the larger and contemporaneous Cold War.

255 Dark_Falcon  Apr 26, 2015 8:11:18am

re: #250 Justanotherhuman

Reports: Man Shot and Killed by NYPD at East Village Halfway House

gawker.com

The cops killed a psychiatric patient by invading a treatment center with warrant for a robbery?

How is this even legal?

Being in treatment does not protect you from being arrested. It’s up to the DA and the police if you get to finish treatment before they arrest you, and then only if it’s an inpatient program. If there’s parts of the day where you’re free to leave, the cops will likely arrest you, treatment facility or no, in order to make sure you don’t commit further crimes or try to run.

256 Timothy Watson  Apr 26, 2015 8:12:36am

re: #254 Dark_Falcon

I didn’t forget it. For the Reagan Administration the primary enemy was the Soviet Union. Iran had become a enemy in many ways, true, but if things could be set up so that Iran cost Iraq weapons that the Soviets had to resupply not-fully-at-cost, then so much the better in the Reagan Administration’s eyes.

The actions of both the USA and USSR regarding the Iran-Iraq War must be seen in the context of the larger and contemporaneous Cold War.

So, Reagan’s brilliant idea was to give the Soviets a market for arms so they could end up with Iraqi oil?

…

Brilliant!

257 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 8:14:07am

re: #255 Dark_Falcon

Being in treatment does not protect you from being arrested. It’s up to the DA and the police if you get to finish treatment before they arrest you, and then only if it’s an inpatient program. If there’s parts of the day where you’re free to leave, the cops will likely arrest you, treatment facility or no, in order to make sure you don’t commit further crimes or try to run.

Except they usually don’t kill people. It’s wrong. So an arrest for robbery (property, again) is more important than that of a life being taken by the cops.

I see.

258 Dark_Falcon  Apr 26, 2015 8:14:21am

re: #256 Timothy Watson

So, Reagan’s brilliant idea was to give the Soviets a market for arms so they could end up with Iraqi oil?

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Brilliant!

No, it was to make the USSR spend money it didn’t really have supplying those arms.

259 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 8:15:20am

re: #256 Timothy Watson

So, Reagan’s brilliant idea was to give the Soviets a market for arms so they could end up with Iraqi oil?

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Brilliant!

Reagan was never the sharpest knife in the drawer.

He wasnt even a very good actor.

260 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 26, 2015 8:15:29am

re: #254 Dark_Falcon

The actions of both the USA and USSR regarding the Iran-Iraq War must be seen in the context of the larger and contemporaneous Cold War.

One thing it got us was a decade of super-cheap oil prices, what with both Iraq and Iran pumping and selling as much as they could to finance their war efforts, thus buying us another decade to ignore alternative energy sources…

261 Dark_Falcon  Apr 26, 2015 8:16:03am

re: #257 Justanotherhuman

Except they usually don’t kill people. It’s wrong. So an arrest for robbery (property, again) is more important than that of a life being taken by the cops.

I see.

You’re reading into my words something that isn’t there. You asked “How is this even legal?” and I was attempting to answer that question.

262 Iwouldprefernotto  Apr 26, 2015 8:17:15am

re: #259 Justanotherhuman

Reagan was never the sharpest knife in the drawer.

He wasnt even a very good actor.

He was a better actor than President.

263 ObserverArt  Apr 26, 2015 8:17:25am

re: #251 Dark_Falcon

I don’t believe it and it’s unlikely I ever will. The Clinton’s have had too many such ‘mistakes’, and I stopped giving them the benefit of the doubt back in 1998. I’m assuming that the foundation was corrupt from 2009-2012, and possibly later.

Awww Dark. Where is that benefit of the doubt you give for some of the GOP people we see you express from time to time? You know, the stuff about politics having certain needs that you have to cover to get elected and then go on to do good things.

This is just more politics and it is the GOP digging dirt that they can sell to you. Dirt you seem to have bought and stored away just like intended.

Later all. Got some stuff to do before running out to some friends for a burger cookout. Sure it is a little brisk, but the sun is out, not a cloud to yell at in the sky and burgers cooked up outside don’t know the temp.

264 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 26, 2015 8:20:13am

re: #251 Dark_Falcon

I don’t believe it and it’s unlikely I ever will. The Clinton’s have had too many such ‘mistakes’, and I stopped giving them the benefit of the doubt back in 1998. I’m assuming that the foundation was corrupt from 2009-2012, and possibly later.

Go fuck yourself, D_F. I am not in the mood for your shit today.

265 ObserverArt  Apr 26, 2015 8:20:44am

re: #262 Iwouldprefernotto

He was a better actor than President.

He was doing his real job. Acting as the President.

266 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 26, 2015 8:20:49am

I expect a BBL soon, as well.

/sorry, I’m just in a really pissy mood atm.

267 Varek Raith  Apr 26, 2015 8:22:20am

Bad morning.
I burned the hell out of the roof of my mouth.
Stupid pizza being hot.
I DEMAND JUSTICE.
Or something.
:)

268 Dark_Falcon  Apr 26, 2015 8:22:34am

re: #264 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I’m going to downding you, but i’m not going to fling hostility and snark your way. Instead, I’m going to suggest you fix yourself some breakfast. If nothing else, have a glass of orange juice.

269 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 26, 2015 8:23:02am

re: #265 ObserverArt

He was doing his real job. Acting as the President.

He was a shitty actor as well.

270 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 8:23:59am

re: #269 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

He was a shitty actor as well.

Heh my grandfather always said that too.

271 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 26, 2015 8:24:33am

re: #268 Dark_Falcon

I’m going to downding you, but i’m not going to fling hostility and snark your way. Instead, I’m going to suggest you fix yourself some breakfast. If nothing else, have a glass of orange juice.

You can downding me all you want. Your “side” has wrecked this nation, and my adopted home state (Illinois). I’m in Malcolm X mode today, so have yourself some OJ, you GOP fucker.

272 Timothy Watson  Apr 26, 2015 8:25:37am

re: #258 Dark_Falcon

No, it was to make the USSR spend money it didn’t really have supplying those arms.

And they replaced those tanks for free? And the United States had no problem with expanding Soviet influence in the Middle East?

So…why did Reagan give the Iraqis chemical weapons? Seems they would have lost more tanks if the Iraqis hadn’t had those chemical weapons.

273 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 8:26:36am

So more of the Cold War mentality this morning? Oh happy day.

274 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 26, 2015 8:26:56am

re: #272 Timothy Watson

And they replaced those tanks for free? And the United States had no problem with expanding Soviet influence in the Middle East?

So…why did Reagan give the Iraqis chemical weapons? Seems they would have lost more tanks if the Iraqis hadn’t had those chemical weapons.

I’d really like to see him answer about how Reagan sold arms to Iran.

275 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Apr 26, 2015 8:29:56am

When it comes to President Reagan, I never cared that he was an actor. He was a better than average President who built an administration of people who were generally pragmatic. By the end of the George H Bush administration those pragmatic people were pretty much pushed aside by the ideologues. Reagan had his flaws, even the one DF is trying to deflect by saying that the DOD needed to field test those missiles (how’s that for a reach!!). He did compromise an awful lot and that it largely forgotten.

276 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 8:30:07am

re: #274 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I’d really like to see him answer about how Reagan sold arms to Iran.

I’d like to see an answer too especially given his beloved party accuses Obama of coddling terrorist regimes yet Reagan teh same man many of them elevate to Lincoln, Washington status did just that. The shit Reagan did if Obama did even a fraction of it, I don’t even wanna know.

277 Varek Raith  Apr 26, 2015 8:34:51am

Asshole vs Asshole!

278 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 8:37:03am

re: #277 Varek Raith

Asshole vs Asshole!

Is that what they’re calling the Republican primary debates this year? I jest. Agree though, not big on eitehr Cenk or Sam Harris.

279 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 8:37:25am
280 Dark_Falcon  Apr 26, 2015 8:38:09am

re: #272 Timothy Watson

And they replaced those tanks for free? And the United States had no problem with expanding Soviet influence in the Middle East?

Iraq had been in the USSR’s orbit for a long time prior to 1979. Don’t forget that the IDF was destroying Iraqi manned T-55s sent to aid Syria in the Yom Kipur War of 1973. Iraq actually took delivery of its first two shipments of T-72s prior to its invading Iran.

As for the cost issue, Iraq paid for its Soviet tanks but the financing arrangement for the sales meant that Iraq’s debt kept increasing. And it wasn’t interest, it was additional purchases before earlier purchase sets’ costs had been recouped by the manufacturer.

281 Mattand  Apr 26, 2015 8:40:00am

re: #277 Varek Raith

Asshole vs Asshole!

Jesus, I didn’t know Sam Harris had a PR flack on the Banter’s staff. Pretty much how that thing reads to me.

Gotta love the ending paragraph of “I’m not saying Muslims are the cause of the world’s problems. But they’re they cause of the world’s problems.”

282 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 8:40:26am

re: #278 HappyWarrior

Is that what they’re calling the Republican primary debates this year? I jest. Agree though, not big on eitehr Cenk or Sam Harris.

This is what happens when people think that they should be bigger and more famous than they are.

283 Dark_Falcon  Apr 26, 2015 8:40:51am

re: #279 Justanotherhuman

[Embedded content]

Nobody, Mr. President. Just go on and enjoy your soda. Just don’t let Michael Bloomberg see you’ve got a Big Gulp or you’ll never hear the end of it!

/// :D

284 Dark_Falcon  Apr 26, 2015 8:41:24am

re: #282 Justanotherhuman

This is what happens when people think that they should be bigger and more famous than they are.

But enough about Chuckie C….

285 Varek Raith  Apr 26, 2015 8:43:13am

re: #281 Mattand

Jesus, I didn’t know Sam Harris had a PR flack on the Banter’s staff. Pretty much how that thing read to me.

Gotta love the ending paragraph of “I’m not saying Muslims are the cause of the world’s problems. But they’re they cause of the world’s problems.”

Yeah, Michael is like that. He also was the one who banned ‘dudebro’.
Cause, you know, he’s a dudebro.
;)

286 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 8:43:14am

What amuses me is there are actually a large number of Louisiana Republicans who blame Obama for the Katrina handling. ODS is a helluva drug and it’s going to be replaced by CDS 2.0 where everything bad in their miserable lives is Hillary’s fault.

287 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 26, 2015 8:46:01am

re: #233 HappyWarrior

Charities are some of the most corrupt entities you’ll encounter. I always laugh when wingers suggest replacing all government aid to the less well off with charity because of that.

They want that since private charities not getting federal or state funds can discriminate as much as they desire to.

288 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Apr 26, 2015 8:47:07am

in reply to dark Falcon:

That was childish, even by your standards. First of all, it ‘snot even a big gulp. Second, he usually drinks diet coke anyway, so he might as well have have a keg attached to an IV line. Finally, you know damn well RWNJs blame everything on President Obama.

289 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 26, 2015 8:48:20am

Good morning Lizards - Sunny in Philadelphia and warming into the 60s by noon.

See the majestik moose
290 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 8:49:29am

re: #287 Feline Fearless Leader

They want that since private charities not getting federal or state funds can discriminate as much as they desire to.

Hence the push for faith based initiatives by Bush which sounded nice until you saw that it would allow groups to discriminate which really defeats the whole purpose.

291 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 8:49:56am

re: #289 Feline Fearless Leader

Good morning Lizards - Sunny in Philadelphia and warming into the 60s by noon.

Image: See the majestik moose

Isn’t it always sunny there? ///

292 Dark_Falcon  Apr 26, 2015 8:53:05am

re: #288 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

First, you might want to edit your post if you were replying to me, since right now its replying to JAH’s post and not mine.

Second, the depicted cup resembles a variety of Big Gulp cup often seen in the Chicago area from late spring through Mid-Summer. The cup in question is colored white and various shades of blue. If That’s what it is, then I’m wrong, but its a joke based on my honest experience of 7-11’s products.

Third, Lighten Up, Francis.

293 Mattand  Apr 26, 2015 8:53:10am

re: #289 Feline Fearless Leader

Good morning Lizards - Sunny in Philadelphia and warming into the 60s by noon.

Image: See the majestik moose

For the non-Philly readers, that’s part of a series of statues in Eakins Oval, the traffic circle in front of the Art Museum, where Rocky made his triumphant run up its steps.

I’ve biked and driven past the statue for years, and only just now realized all of the Rocky and Bullwinkle jokes I could have been making.

Worst. Sunday. Ever.

294 #FergusonFireside  Apr 26, 2015 8:53:57am

Morning all.

295 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 26, 2015 8:54:04am

re: #291 HappyWarrior

Isn’t it always sunny there? ///

Some days more sunnier than other.

296 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 8:54:18am

When people like Harris and Cenk start presenting themselves as “authorities” on any issue, that’s when I start tuning out. They’re simply opinions, and we all have them.

That said, people have a right, everywhere, to live their lives as they see fit as long as they do no harm, of any kind. That goes for any ideology—political or religious/non-religious.

Right now, you could probably find a shit ton of excuses people use to inflict pain and suffering, even death, on billions of others due to those kinds of factors.

We see it in this country—how could you not see it?

297 #FergusonFireside  Apr 26, 2015 8:54:36am
298 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 26, 2015 8:55:34am

re: #293 Mattand

For the non-Philly readers, that’s part of a series of statues in Eakins Oval, the traffic circle in front of the Art Museum, where Rocky made his triumphant run up its steps.

I’ve biked and driven past the statue for years, and only just know realized all of the Rocky and Bullwinkle jokes I could have been making.

Worst. Sunday. Ever.

George and friends

Part of this complex of statues centered around George Washington on a horse.

299 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 8:55:41am

re: #288 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

That was childish, even by your standards. First of all, it ‘snot even a big gulp. Second, he usually drinks diet coke anyway, so he might as well have have a keg attached to an IV line. Finally, you know damn well RWNJs blame everything on President Obama.

What are you talking about? #282 wasn’t even related to what you’re saying.

300 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 8:55:52am

re: #295 Feline Fearless Leader

Some days more sunnier than other.

Heh I bet. It’s nice here today too. It’s a shame that my brother’s baseball team isn’t playing today.

301 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Apr 26, 2015 8:57:08am

re: #299 Justanotherhuman

What are you talking about? #282 wasn’t even related to what you’re saying.

I clicked on the wrong comment when I was replying to DF. I edited it

302 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 8:59:30am

re: #301 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I clicked on the wrong comment when I was replying to DF. I edited it

Thanks

And yes, it was childish of DF. That could be water in that cup, doncha know?

Repeating Sarah Palin memes is pretty stupid, anyway.

303 freetoken  Apr 26, 2015 8:59:45am

Full throttle theocracy, now the platform of the GOP:

Getting personal, Republicans talk faith in Iowa

Trying to be a God-talker - that is what this Republican primary is about.

304 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 26, 2015 8:59:45am

Other favorite tourist-y shot along the Ben Franklin Blvd is getting the fountain in Logan Circle with the Franklin Institute in the background.

305 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Apr 26, 2015 9:00:50am

re: #292 Dark_Falcon

Big Gulps are 32 ounces. That one’s a 22. Maybe the guy who pounced on the picture in the first place should lighten up. Michael Bloomberg has even been mayor for a year now. Let it go

306 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Apr 26, 2015 9:01:47am

re: #298 Feline Fearless Leader

Remember when people kept putting shopping carts on top of that statue?

307 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 9:02:23am

re: #303 freetoken

Full throttle theocracy, now the platform of the GOP:

Getting personal, Republicans talk faith in Iowa

Trying to be a God-talker - that is what this Republican primary is about.

I am almost to the point where I think Republican voters like being talked down to by their candidates and officials. And someone needs to smack Ted Cruz for using the absurdly stupid and offense “liberal fascism” which indicates that he understands neither liberalism or fascism. Ted is more closer to a fascist than any liberal.

308 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 26, 2015 9:02:28am

re: #305 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Big Gulps are 32 ounces. That one’s a 22. Maybe the guy who pounced on the picture in the first place should lighten up. Michael Bloomberg has even been mayor for a year now. Let it go

309 freetoken  Apr 26, 2015 9:03:00am
For her part, Fiorina said her and her husband’s relationship with God helped save them “from a desperate sadness” when they lost their adult daughter a few years ago to addiction.

Sometimes I wonder how we got to this point, but then I realize that this continent was conquered by a relentless series of wars and that was then justified by hyper-religious self-delusion… and it all makes sense.

310 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Apr 26, 2015 9:03:14am

re: #293 Mattand

Worst Sunday ever?

311 Dark_Falcon  Apr 26, 2015 9:03:25am

re: #302 Justanotherhuman

Thanks

And yes, it was childish of DF. That could be water in that cup, doncha know?

Repeating Sarah Palin memes is pretty stupid, anyway.

It was a joke about Bloomberg’s nanny state tendancies, OK? And those are pretty visible.

Besides, you’ve been using that picture a good bit lately, and I decided it would be a good thing to riff off of for a joke. Heck, the joke isn’t even about Barack Obama.

312 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 26, 2015 9:04:35am

Interesting (to me at least) comparison of how the new lens if going to be used. Took a shot of a robin with the standard lens, and then a roughly similar shot with the telephoto. Standard 1 is simply the base image shrunk to 11% size. Standard 2 is a clipped image centering on the robin. Telephoto 1 is an 11% sized image and Telephoto 2 is a clipped image. Nothing done with a editor to clean up anything.

Standard 1 - robin in shrunk image
Standard 2 - clipped image centering on robin
Telephoto 1 - shrunk image
Telephoto 2 - clipped image centering on robin
313 freetoken  Apr 26, 2015 9:05:16am
Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, the son of a preacher, walked on stage with a copy of the devotional “Jesus Calling” and read a passage that he said helped him when he was facing a recall in 2012.

Martyr for Je$u$, yup.

314 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 26, 2015 9:06:02am

re: #306 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Remember when people kept putting shopping carts on top of that statue?

Don’t recall that one. How far back was that? George did have some warpaint on, so there are still people climbing it at night I guess.

And the Rocky statue turns up wearing non-Philadelphia sports team jerseys now and then.

315 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 9:06:05am

re: #313 freetoken

Martyr for Je$u$, yup.

I didn’t realize Wanker was the son of a preacherman.

316 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 9:06:28am

re: #311 Dark_Falcon

It was a joke about Bloomberg’s nanny state tendancies, OK? And those are pretty visible.

Besides, you’ve been using that picture a good bit lately, and I decided it would be a good thing to riff off of for a joke. Heck, the joke isn’t even about Barack Obama.

Well, when idiots try to say that this or that is Obama’s fault when he clearly had nothing to do with said event or situation, then I have to post it occasionally.

Part of my Fuckit list.

317 freetoken  Apr 26, 2015 9:07:08am

re: #315 HappyWarrior

I didn’t realize Wanker was the son of a preacherman.

That’s why God picked him to rule Wisconsin.

318 Dark_Falcon  Apr 26, 2015 9:08:00am

re: #294 #FergusonFireside

Morning all.

[Embedded content]

Some might say that cops should show the same concernwhen policing drug addicts that they show in policing coyotes:

But the truth is that most people feel far more sympathy for that coyote than they would for an underclass human being in the same circumstances.

319 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Apr 26, 2015 9:08:06am

re: #314 Feline Fearless Leader

70s and 80s. I saw it a couple of times

320 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 9:08:22am

re: #317 freetoken

That’s why God picked him to rule Wisconsin.

But of course. Seriously these candidates just sound so blatantly pandering to me. I mean really Scott, faith got through the recall or was it through wealthy allies?

321 Decatur Deb  Apr 26, 2015 9:08:51am

re: #317 freetoken

That’s why God picked him to rule Wisconsin.

It was a powerful moment when he snatched the crown from Pat Robertson’s hands and placed it on his own head.

322 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 26, 2015 9:08:52am

Playing with telephoto lens Part II — ooo, you can do macro camera settings with it!

Nice definition on cat close-up
Objects in mirror are closer than they appear

OK. That’s pretty good definition. :)

323 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 26, 2015 9:09:23am

re: #319 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

70s and 80s. I saw it a couple of times

Ah, well before I moved here.

324 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 9:09:25am

re: #320 HappyWarrior

But of course. Seriously these candidates just sound so blatantly pandering to me. I mean really Scott, faith got through the recall or was it through wealthy allies?

His god is a monied god.

325 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 9:10:04am

It’s just a coincidence I’m sure but God told each of these Republican candidates to run for president. Me thinks the almighty is a supernatural version of that guy at the house party betting you that you can’t do shots of Everclear.

326 Dark_Falcon  Apr 26, 2015 9:10:25am

re: #322 Feline Fearless Leader

Playing with telephoto lens Part II — ooo, you can do macro camera settings with it!

[Embedded content]

OK. That’s pretty good definition. :)

Nice, but that eye pic makes clear your cat is Sauron in animal form. You do realize that, right?

/Nothing but a good time.

327 Dr Lizardo  Apr 26, 2015 9:10:27am

re: #320 HappyWarrior

But of course. Seriously these candidates just sound so blatantly pandering to me. I mean really Scott, faith got through the recall or was it through wealthy allies?

The Dead Kennedys said it best with this album cover:

328 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 9:10:33am

re: #324 Justanotherhuman

His god is a monied god.

I believe the proper name for his God is Koch.

329 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 9:10:55am

re: #327 Dr Lizardo

The Dead Kennedys said it best with this album cover:

Embedded Image

Brilliant and very true.

330 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 9:11:44am

re: #328 HappyWarrior

Exactly. I never capitalize god in any form.

331 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 26, 2015 9:12:45am

And here’s George on his horse.

332 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Apr 26, 2015 9:13:09am

re: #323 Feline Fearless Leader

Ah, well before I moved here.

At least you were born. I was telling my classmates about something or another from the movie Lethal Weapon, then I realized that I had to say it was a movie from before you were born. Gone With the Wind, Citizen Kane, Casablance, Ben Hur, those are movies that you’re supposed to say “before you were born.”

333 Dark_Falcon  Apr 26, 2015 9:13:28am

re: #328 HappyWarrior

I believe the proper name for his God is Koch.

Except that Charles and David Koch see their donations and organizational as being secular in nature. If you read their interviews and op-ed, they talk a lot about economics but not nearly as much about religion.

334 freetoken  Apr 26, 2015 9:14:27am

National Journal tries, in their own journalistic-y way, by how they wrote the headline, to make the whole thing sound like it was a serious policy discussion:

At Iowa Faith Summit, Foreign Policy Dominates

Thing is, the picture they run with that story is one of Walker holding up “Jesus Calling”, which of course really what the gathering was all about.

335 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 9:15:33am

re: #333 Dark_Falcon

Except that Charles and David Koch see their donations and organizational as being secular in nature. If you read their interviews and op-ed, they talk a lot about economics but not nearly as much about religion.

Do you have to be so literal? First off, it was a joke. Secondly, it was saying that the Kochs are Walker’s God which is more a riff of that they more than any bs spirituality he’s pushing on gullible Iowan Republicans is what got him through that recall.

336 freetoken  Apr 26, 2015 9:16:02am

re: #328 HappyWarrior

I believe the proper name for his God is Koch.

No vowels: KCH.

337 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 9:17:08am

re: #336 freetoken

No vowels: KCH.

Charles and David, sons of almighty Fred deliver us from union workers having the right to collective bargain. In the name of the father, son, and holy almighty dollar, amen.

338 Dark_Falcon  Apr 26, 2015 9:17:32am

re: #335 HappyWarrior

Do you have to be so literal? First off, it was a joke. Secondly, it was saying that the Kochs are Walker’s God which is more a riff of that they more than any bs spirituality he’s pushing on gullible Iowan Republicans is what got him through that recall.

I’m literal by nature. But I’ve got no beef with you on this point, just some disagreement. Carry on.

339 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 26, 2015 9:17:39am
Quack
340 Varek Raith  Apr 26, 2015 9:18:51am

re: #339 Feline Fearless Leader

[Embedded content]

Hey look, it’s Dr. Oz!

341 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 26, 2015 9:19:58am

“Investigative journalism; explanatory journalism; journalism that exposes corruption and injustice and gives a voice to the different, the marginalized, the voiceless—that’s power. It’s a privilege. It’s as important to America’s trajectory—to our values, our ideals—than anything that we could do in elected office.

We remember journalists we lost over the past year—journalists like Steven Sotloff and James Foley, murdered for nothing more than trying to shine a light into some of the world’s darkest corners. (Applause.) We remember the journalists unjustly imprisoned around the world, including our own Jason Rezaian. (Applause.) For nine months, Jason has been imprisoned in Tehran for nothing more than writing about the hopes and the fears of the Iranian people, carrying their stories to the readers of the Washington Post in an effort to bridge our common humanity. As was already mentioned, Jason’s brother, Ali, is here tonight and I have told him personally we will not rest until we bring him home to his family, safe and sound. (Applause.)

Obama Honors Slain and Imprisoned Journalists
These journalists and so many others view their work as more than just a profession, but as a public good; an indispensable pillar of our society. So I want to give a toast to them. I raise a glass to them and all of you, with the words of the American foreign correspondent Dorothy Thompson: “It is not the fact of liberty, but the way in which liberty is exercised, that ultimately determines whether liberty itself survives.”

342 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 9:20:36am

re: #338 Dark_Falcon

I’m literal by nature. But I’ve got no beef with you on this point, just some disagreement. Carry on.

I understand. It’s just that in no way was I talking about what the Kochs were motivated by. What do you disagree with me about? Come on, you don’t actually believe Walker’s bs do you? I mean he may well be a spiritual guy but this reeks of cynical bs to me in that he’s acting like it was his spirituality that got him through the recall and ignoring that he had some very wealthy friends (hi Chuck and Dave) that got him through that. If I were a religious person, I’d be disgusted by that. As I said, it seems to me that it’s almost like conservative evangelicals like being taken for suckers by people like Walker.

343 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 26, 2015 9:21:49am

And a last salvo before going to get some lunch. Blossoms from various spots in the azalea garden and paths near the Art Museum.

344 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 9:22:18am

Now the cops are making the guy’s life who took the Eric Garner video a living hell—including his family members.

345 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 9:22:25am

I’m always cynical when someone who has made their political bones on fucking the less well off in favor of the more well off talks about how big a role his faith plays in his life. When has Walker ever favored a policy as governor and now presidential candidate that would benefit the less well off at the expense of the very well off? I’ve never seen that. I’ve seen lots of the reverse though since his first election to Wisconsin’s governor’s mansion in 2010.

346 freetoken  Apr 26, 2015 9:22:52am

So, where are the Democratic candidates who will publicly call out the GOP candidates for working the religious nuts like a carney working a room full of marks?

347 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 9:23:21am

re: #344 Justanotherhuman

Now the cops are making the guy’s life who took the Eric Garner video a living hell—including his family members.

[Embedded content]

I grow more skeptical and disgusted with police departments every day.

348 Decatur Deb  Apr 26, 2015 9:24:08am

re: #346 freetoken

So, where are the Democratic candidates who will publicly call out the GOP candidates for working the religious nuts like a carney working a room full of marks?

It’s Sunday—In church.

349 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 9:24:18am

re: #346 freetoken

So, where are the Democratic candidates who will publicly call out the GOP candidates for working the religious nuts like a carney working a room full of marks?

They won’t unfortunately because they know if they do, the media and right will accuse them of being “anti religious bigots.” It would be nice to see a Democrat call this shit out. It’s unbelievably sleazy and I am not even religious.

350 Dark_Falcon  Apr 26, 2015 9:25:27am

re: #346 freetoken

So, where are the Democratic candidates who will publicly call out the GOP candidates for working the religious nuts like a carney working a room full of marks?

Well don’t look to Hillary Clinton on that point. She’s not in much of a position to issue criticism about money, given how much of it her campaign is raking in and who she’s getting it from.

2016 is going to be a big-budget election.

351 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 26, 2015 9:25:49am

re: #346 freetoken

So, where are the Democratic candidates who will publicly call out the GOP candidates for working the religious nuts like a carney working a room full of marks?

Terms like “religion”, “church”, “freedom” and “bigot” are used in such a broad and unclear manner in public discourse that it would simply do more harm than good.

352 #FergusonFireside  Apr 26, 2015 9:25:49am

Listen to this.

Haunting, crazy power, oppression.

353 Bear  Apr 26, 2015 9:25:57am

re: #339 Feline Fearless Leader

Thats a Quack? Thought a Quack was a doctor.

//

354 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Apr 26, 2015 9:26:36am

re: #344 Justanotherhuman

Oh, by the way, glossed over in that Vice story,
“Like many men of color in heavily policed neighborhoods, he’d had his share of arrests. Most were for minor violations, like turnstile-jumping, but a few of the charges were more serious. When he was still a teenager, he plea-bargained to a felony.”
That’s the extent of the detail.

355 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 26, 2015 9:27:03am

re: #353 Bear

Thats a Quack? Thought a Quack was a doctor.

//

A quackulon according to a sort of goofy acquaintance of mine.

356 Dark_Falcon  Apr 26, 2015 9:29:40am

re: #353 Bear

Thats a Quack? Thought a Quack was a doctor.

//

The photo is of a mallard drake. Were it of a mallard hen, I’d have note its propensity for feathering its nest and the its similarity in so doing to Illinois public sector unions.

357 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 9:31:34am

re: #354 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Oh, by the way, glossed over in that Vice story,
“Like many men of color in heavily policed neighborhoods, he’d had his share of arrests. Most were for minor violations, like turnstile-jumping, but a few of the charges were more serious. When he was still a teenager, he plea-bargained to a felony.”
That’s the extent of the detail.

“In the days following the arrest, anonymous law enforcement used tabloids like he New York Post to smear Orta as a hardened criminal. The Post quoted a claim from one unnamed cop who said that Orta had “24 previous arrests including for rape, assault and robbery with a boxcutter.” But when his attorneys ran through the rap sheet with me, I found that Orta had far fewer arrests then this cop had stated—and that he’d never been charged with rape. (The lawyers would not go on the record with specifics about their client’s past charges or convictions.)

“Statements have been made in both open court and to the media by “anonymous law enforcement sources, which are demonstrably false and simply misleading.” Orta’s attorney William Aronin told me. “We believe these are obvious attempts to prejudice the potential jury pool and the online comments to these articles seem to suggest that it may be working.”

358 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 26, 2015 9:33:12am

re: #356 Dark_Falcon

The photo is of a mallard drake. Were it of a mallard hen, I’d have note its propensity for feathering its nest and the its similarity in so doing to Illinois public sector unions.

FUCK YOU AND YOUR HOUSE YOU PIECE OF SHIT. I’ve been in a public union since moving to Illinois, and have PAID MY FAIR SHARE into my retirement, you worthless piece of shit. The state hasn’t. Stop with your bullshit.

359 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 9:33:36am

re: #357 Justanotherhuman

“In the days following the arrest, anonymous law enforcement used tabloids like he New York Post to smear Orta as a hardened criminal. The Post quoted a claim from one unnamed cop who said that Orta had “24 previous arrests including for rape, assault and robbery with a boxcutter.” But when his attorneys ran through the rap sheet with me, I found that Orta had far fewer arrests then this cop had stated—and that he’d never been charged with rape. (The lawyers would not go on the record with specifics about their client’s past charges or convictions.)

“Statements have been made in both open court and to the media by “anonymous law enforcement sources, which are demonstrably false and simply misleading.” Orta’s attorney William Aronin told me. “We believe these are obvious attempts to prejudice the potential jury pool and the online comments to these articles seem to suggest that it may be working.”

An organized smear campaign by the police, just fucking wonderful.

360 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 26, 2015 9:33:53am

re: #356 Dark_Falcon

The photo is of a mallard drake. Were it of a mallard hen, I’d have note its propensity for feathering its nest and the its similarity in so doing to Illinois public sector unions.

And if was a McDuck it would be more likely seen swimming in a pool of coins.

361 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 9:34:06am

More police propaganda about Baltimore last night.

362 Mattand  Apr 26, 2015 9:34:22am

re: #310 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Worst Sunday ever?

I have a low bar for worsts.

363 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Apr 26, 2015 9:35:41am

re: #357 Justanotherhuman

I have no doubt the guy will be harassed. By you’re going to have to be honest about Orta’s past. Suppose you’re trying to convince somebody that Orta’s recent arrest was part of that harassment, but you gloss over his record. That’s not going to help convince me that every time he has a run in with the law that it’s the police’ fault. It just makes me suspicious of his advocates’ credibility.

364 Dark_Falcon  Apr 26, 2015 9:37:46am

re: #358 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

FUCK YOU AND YOUR HOUSE YOU PIECE OF SHIT. I’ve been in a public union since moving to Illinois, and have PAID MY FAIR SHARE into my retirement, you worthless piece of shit. The state hasn’t. Stop with your bullshit.

You have, but others haven’t. You’ve read about the ‘two days as a substitute teacher’ scam Illinois’s pension system allowed to go forward? I believe that loophole’s been closed, but it was that kind of shit I was poking fun at.

365 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 9:39:03am

re: #363 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I have no doubt the guy will be harassed. By you’re going to have to be honest about Orta’s past. Suppose you’re trying to convince somebody that Orta’s recent arrest was part of that harassment, but you gloss over his record. That’s not going to help convince me that every time he has a run in with the law that it’s the police’ fault. It just makes me suspicious of his advocates’ credibility.

Well, I’d say try being a poor working class minority first before judging.

The system is stacked against them everywhere.

366 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 9:40:35am

NYPD chief: Internal Eric Garner probe ‘on standby’ pending DOJ investigation - @thehill
read more on thehill.com

367 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 9:40:35am

re: #364 Dark_Falcon

You have, but others haven’t. You’ve read about the ‘two days as a substitute teacher’ scam Illinois’s pension system allowed to go forward? I believe that loophole’s been closed, but it was that kind of shit I was poking fun at.

I have to ask you this regarding Rautner who you told us wasn’t as bad as the other Republicans. What the hell was his point cutting Autism research on world autism day? Your officials keep on doing sutff like this, I am going to keep seeing them as heartless dicks who are the puppets of the very elite.

368 Dark_Falcon  Apr 26, 2015 9:40:54am

re: #360 Feline Fearless Leader

And if was a McDuck it would be more likely seen swimming in a pool of coins.

I hear rumors Scrooge McDuck is going to fill up a medium-sized swimming pool with the gold coins he’s donating to Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

///

369 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Apr 26, 2015 9:43:01am

re: #365 Justanotherhuman

Well, I’d say try being a poor working class minority first before judging.

The system is stacked against them everywhere.

That was not my point. The “poor working class minority” already believes that he is targeted. Most people assume the cops will have it in for him now. But glossing over his arrest record like that was deceitful. There’s no way around that, no matter what you may think of my upbringing.

370 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 9:43:08am

crooksandliars.com
I know C&L is a highly partisan source but this is why even the so caleld moderate Republicans in office are on my shit list. It’s as is tough for people with Autism and then to do that and on Autism AWareness Day?

371 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 26, 2015 9:43:13am

re: #364 Dark_Falcon

You have, but others haven’t. You’ve read about the ‘two days as a substitute teacher’ scam Illinois’s pension system allowed to go forward? I believe that loophole’s been closed, but it was that kind of shit I was poking fun at.

You’re spreading bullshit even more. Most of us have it taken out automatically. Don’t tar the rank and file with the same brush as those people. It’s not fun. It’s our lives. Fuck that shit!

372 #FergusonFireside  Apr 26, 2015 9:43:48am

re: #361 Justanotherhuman

More police propaganda about Baltimore last night.

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Those injured cops will happily be collecting workers comp for years now.

373 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 9:44:05am

This is how it should be if you’re paying attention.

374 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 26, 2015 9:44:21am

re: #367 HappyWarrior

I have to ask you this regarding Rautner who you told us wasn’t as bad as the other Republicans. What the hell was his point cutting Autism research on world autism day? Your officials keep on doing sutff like this, I am going to keep seeing them as heartless dicks who are the puppets of the very elite.

Rauner is as bad as Walker, Perry and all the other RWNJs. He just has a better suit.

376 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 9:45:39am

re: #375 bratwurst

Amazingly, some pro-Israel Republican Senators are not pro-Israel enough for Aipac now.

Did they mention the Apocalypse?

377 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 26, 2015 9:46:06am

re: #368 Dark_Falcon

I hear rumors Scrooge McDuck is going to fill up a medium-sized swimming pool with the gold coins he’s donating to Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

///

Also, get off your high horse and teach some Illinois students every day before piping off with your Raunerisms.

378 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 9:46:13am

re: #374 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Rauner is as bad as Walker, Perry and all the other RWNJs. He just has a better suit.

I agree, I just want an answer on this.

379 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 26, 2015 9:48:50am

re: #378 HappyWarrior

I agree, I just want an answer on this.

Good luck. D_F will never answer. This is a constant theme with him.

Honestly, ask me a question and I will try my best to answer. I will never say BBL, or Got to go to work, or whatever. That’s chickenshit.

I give my apologies again. I’m usually pissed when people attack my career.

380 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 9:50:30am

re: #379 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Good luck. D_F will never answer. This is a constant theme with him.

Honestly, ask me a question and I will try my best to answer. I will never say BBL, or Got to go to work, or whatever. That’s chickenshit.

I give my apologies again. I’m usually pissed when people attack my career.

I don’t blame you. My godmother was a teacher and it always disgusts me when Republicans attack teachers and when DF defends it because teachers unions are the :”enemy” which is such a shallow and shitty way of viewing the men and women who are doing their best to educate our kids.

381 Dark_Falcon  Apr 26, 2015 9:51:02am

re: #375 bratwurst

Amazingly, some pro-Israel Republican Senators are not pro-Israel enough for Aipac now.

That’s not actually what AIPAC is saying:

At issue is the Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act, a bipartisan bill authored by the Republican chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Bob Corker. Earlier this month, the bill was voted out of Corker’s committee unanimously, with strong support from Democrats and a promise from President Barack Obama not to veto the bill if it reached his desk without amendments that he said could imperil the Iran nuclear negotiations.

Senate staff members tell us that since Monday, senior Aipac lobbyists and board members have had face-to-face meetings and phone calls with leading senators to try to dissuade lawmakers from voting for the Republican amendments.

But that is an awkward place to be for the largest pro-Israel lobby in Washington. Senator Marco Rubio, for example, filed an amendment Thursday evening requiring Obama to certify that Iran has publicly recognized Israel’s right to exist as a condition of getting Congressional approval of the Iran deal. Earlier this month, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu proposed a similar idea, but Obama said such a demand would wreck the negotiations. Aipac is now taking Obama’s side on whether a final nuclear accord with Iran should compel its regime to recognize Israel’s right to exist.

Aipac supports Corker’s bill as is. Earlier this year, it quietly dropped its campaign to get Congress to pass new sanctions on Iran latched onto a previous version of the chairman’s legislation. Corker’s new bill, which has added concessions to Obama, would give Congress a chance to review an Iran deal and could provide for a vote on the deal, although language inserted at the last minute makes clear that Obama could begin implementing the agreement even if Congress votes against it.

So AIPAC is trying to prevent to attachment of ‘killer’ amendments. That good, but I do feel the bill needs an amendment such that Congress can keep sanctions in place if they vote the deal down.

382 BigPapa  Apr 26, 2015 9:52:27am

re: #333 Dark_Falcon

Except that Charles and David Koch see their donations and organizational as being secular in nature. If you read their interviews and op-ed, they talk a lot about economics but not nearly as much about religion.

To them economics *is* a religion. And they are the freaking popes of that cult.

383 bratwurst  Apr 26, 2015 9:52:58am

re: #381 Dark_Falcon

That’s not actually what AIPAC is saying:

I disagree.

So AIPAC is trying to prevent to attachment of ‘killer’ amendments.

Yes…by self-proclaimed pro-Israel Republicans.

384 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2015 9:53:23am

re: #364 Dark_Falcon

You have, but others haven’t. You’ve read about the ‘two days as a substitute teacher’ scam Illinois’s pension system allowed to go forward? I believe that loophole’s been closed, but it was that kind of shit I was poking fun at.

In what part of your comment were you “poking fun”?
The sexist hen feathering her nest part or the description of unions are greedy corrupt part (and you implied any and all unions, not just one specific union incident)?

385 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 9:53:28am

re: #382 BigPapa

To them economics *is* a religion. And they are the freaking popes of that cult.

The capitalism as a religion mindset, yes. Though my comment is more a jab on how Walker gets down on his knees more for the Kochs than any god.

386 Nyet  Apr 26, 2015 9:54:35am

re: #375 bratwurst

I expected something bad, but the take-away was:

Aipac is now taking Obama’s side on whether a final nuclear accord with Iran should compel its regime to recognize Israel’s right to exist.

387 #FergusonFireside  Apr 26, 2015 9:55:36am

Hahaha, deal. You work for the people, all the people assholes.

388 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 9:56:01am
389 Nyet  Apr 26, 2015 9:56:13am

I wonder if all the “AIPAC runs the US” dopes are having splodey heads. :)

390 bratwurst  Apr 26, 2015 9:56:15am

re: #380 HappyWarrior

I don’t blame you. My godmother was a teacher and it always disgusts me when Republicans attack teachers and when DF defends it because teachers unions are the :”enemy” which is such a shallow and shitty way of viewing the men and women who are doing their best to educate our kids.

I have been involved in education for 21 years now but every year I do my best to teach less and do other work more. It’s bad enough that I generally earn the same money per teaching hour as I did when Bill Clinton was president and gas cost .99 per gallon…I and my colleagues also have to get shat upon by assholes trying to score political points. Fuck that.

391 freetoken  Apr 26, 2015 9:58:21am

re: #351 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Terms like “religion”, “church”, “freedom” and “bigot” are used in such a broad and unclear manner in public discourse that it would simply do more harm than good.

I did not write those terms.

What we need is someone in leadership to speak, well, eloquently, about the pandering to religious gatherings for the sake of buying votes, the currency of the buy being paranoia and ignorance.

392 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 9:58:25am

re: #390 bratwurst

I have been involved in education for 21 years now but every year I do my best to teach less and do other work more. It’s bad enough that I generally earn the same money per teaching hour as I did when Bill Clinton was president and gas cost .99 per gallon…I and my colleagues also have to get shat upon by assholes trying to score political points. Fuck that.

In my observations, the people who shit on teachers like asshole Christie are people who would never survive a day in a class room.it takes a special person to teach so people like you, Arthur, and my godmother not only have my appreciation but also my respect.

393 Varek Raith  Apr 26, 2015 9:59:48am

re: #360 Feline Fearless Leader

And if was a McDuck it would be more likely seen swimming in a pool of coins.

…

394 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 26, 2015 10:00:26am

re: #390 bratwurst

I have been involved in education for 21 years now but every year I do my best to teach less and do other work more. It’s bad enough that I generally earn the same money per teaching hour as I did when Bill Clinton was president and gas cost .99 per gallon…I and my colleagues also have to get shat upon by assholes trying to score political points. Fuck that.

I should mention at this point that I’m a uni professor, but my ex is an elementary teacher. And I wouldn’t put up with the stuff she had to put up with if my life depended on it.

To anyone who works in k-12, my supreme admiration is yours.

395 A Cranky One  Apr 26, 2015 10:03:31am

re: #379 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Good luck. D_F will never answer. This is a constant theme with him.

Honestly, ask me a question and I will try my best to answer. I will never say BBL, or Got to go to work, or whatever. That’s chickenshit.

I give my apologies again. I’m usually pissed when people attack my career.

My sister and her husband (both very highly regarded and awarded) teachers retired early because of being demonized by politicians and parents. My ex and daughter both work in the school system and I hear horror stories regularly about how they are treated. These are people who have dedicated their lives to improving the lives of others; people who make a real difference but are treated as greedy and evil.

RWNJs just don’t seem to understand that the reason for the attacks on teachers and public sector unions is simple: reduce the power of the unions, who typically support Democratic candidates and whose members typically vote Democratic. And if our kids are hurt or shortchanged in the process, well that’s just too bad.

Assholes.

396 BigPapa  Apr 26, 2015 10:03:58am

My SIL and BIL, and wife’s bestie, are all teachers. And SIL/BIL do school sports programs. And raise 3 of their own kids.

The denigration of the teaching profession is driven by anti-government zealotry.

397 BigPapa  Apr 26, 2015 10:06:19am

teachers = government

398 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 10:09:08am

re: #397 BigPapa

teachers = government

People = teachers = government. The point conservatives so often miss when making the government out to be evil.

399 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 26, 2015 10:09:52am

The weirdest part is that when I was growing up (30 years ago), teachers were respected. My parents were No Questions Asked about them.

400 blueraven  Apr 26, 2015 10:09:57am

re: #375 bratwurst

Amazingly, some pro-Israel Republican Senators are not pro-Israel enough for Aipac now.

That is not how I read the article. AIPAC doesn’t want republicans to demand amendments to Corker’s bill which several Senators like Rubio wants…like insisting Iran recognize Israel.

Senate staff members tell us that since Monday, senior Aipac lobbyists and board members have had face-to-face meetings and phone calls with leading senators to try to dissuade lawmakers from voting for the Republican amendments.

But that is an awkward place to be for the largest pro-Israel lobby in Washington. Senator Marco Rubio, for example, filed an amendment Thursday evening requiring Obama to certify that Iran has publicly recognized Israel’s right to exist as a condition of getting Congressional approval of the Iran deal. Earlier this month, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu proposed a similar idea, but Obama said such a demand would wreck the negotiations. Aipac is now taking Obama’s side on whether a final nuclear accord with Iran should compel its regime to recognize Israel’s right to exist.

401 Dark_Falcon  Apr 26, 2015 10:10:32am

re: #384 Backwoods_Sleuth

The ‘hen’ part isn’t sexist. The photo was of a male mallard duck (called a drake), and in duck species it is solely the female (who is called a hen) who builds the nest and takes care of the young (ducklings). Saying that a drake was feathering its nest would be factually incorrect because drakes don’t do that.

Male Canadian geese (ganders), by contrast, play an active role in nest building and keeping an eye on their offspring after they hatch.

402 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 26, 2015 10:11:45am

re: #401 Dark_Falcon

The ‘hen’ part isn’t sexist. The photo was of a male mallard duck (called a drake), and in duck species it is solely the female (who is called a hen) who builds the nest and takes care of the young (ducklings). Saying that a drake was feathering its nest would be factually incorrect because drakes don’t do that.

Male Canadian geese (ganders), by contrast, play an active role in nest building and keeping an eye on their offspring after they hatch.

Fuck off. Seriously, I don’t care if I ever see your shit again.

403 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 26, 2015 10:12:09am

re: #396 BigPapa

My SIL and BIL, and wife’s bestie, are all teachers. And SIL/BIL do school sports programs. And raise 3 of their own kids.

The denigration of the teaching profession is driven by anti-government zealotry.

And also a touch of the anti-intellectualism that underlies social conservatism in the US.

404 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 26, 2015 10:12:33am

I will accept a ban from Charles if it means I never have to hear your shit again, D_F.

405 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 10:13:38am

re: #404 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I will accept a ban from Charles if it means I never have to hear your shit again, D_F.

Calm down. I know your’e upset but don’t get yourself banned over it. It’s not worth ti.

406 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2015 10:15:06am

re: #401 Dark_Falcon

The ‘hen’ part isn’t sexist. The photo was of a male mallard duck (called a drake), and in duck species it is solely the female (who is called a hen) who builds the nest and takes care of the young (ducklings). Saying that a drake was feathering its nest would be factually incorrect because drakes don’t do that.

Male Canadian geese (ganders), by contrast, play an active role in nest building and keeping an eye on their offspring after they hatch.

It was and is completely sexist.
And if it was supposed to be the “funny” part, you failed.
As a matter of fact, the entire comment was a fail for you since you decided to use a great photo of a duck to make a completely irrelevant (and nasty) political comment.

407 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 10:15:10am

re: #403 Feline Fearless Leader

And also a touch of the anti-intellectualism that underlies social conservatism in the US.

Santorum even admittted that they’re not looking for the smart people. There’s a reason why social liberalism especially rises with more education and why social conservatives like Ricky have such contempt for secular post secondary education even though they received it themselves. Keep em ignorant and voting Republican. Budget cuts to education ahoy!

408 BigPapa  Apr 26, 2015 10:15:16am

re: #399 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

The weirdest part is that when I was growing up (30 years ago), teachers were respected. My parents were No Questions Asked about them.

30 years ago teachers were as well respected as cops and soldiers. Then the unis started churning out educated kids AKA ‘liberals.’ We need to return to greatness by taking our country back and using colleges as job training centers, not this cockamamie education stuff.

FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
WAR IS PEACE

409 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 26, 2015 10:16:34am

re: #391 freetoken

I did not write those terms.

What we need is someone in leadership to speak, well, eloquently, about the pandering to religious gatherings for the sake of buying votes, the currency of the buy being paranoia and ignorance.

Anyone attempting to broach the subject will find those terms twisted and thrown back in their faces. that prevents a lot of politicians from even trying.

410 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2015 10:16:43am

re: #401 Dark_Falcon

Oh, and since you want to be so literal about things, I’ll put on my retired teacher hat: the term is Canada geese, not Canadian geese.

411 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 10:16:50am

Conservatives love putting down government employees whether they’re teachers or bureaucrats but they never would put down a straight man in military uniform. Well guess what cons, military members are governmetn employees too.

412 A Cranky One  Apr 26, 2015 10:17:26am

re: #400 blueraven

The “recognizing Israel’s right to exist” ploy is a poison pill to prevent the arms agreement with Iran from moving forward. Republicans know it isn’t likely so it’s a convenient excuse to kill the treaty.

Folks who understand that nothing else has slowed Iran’s plans would like to see the agreement move forward. The alternatives are scary.

413 Nyet  Apr 26, 2015 10:17:53am

re: #383 bratwurst

I disagree.

Yes…by self-proclaimed pro-Israel Republicans.

So it’s basically the opposite: AIPAC is not “pro-Israel” (read: pro-Israeli right) enough for the Republicans ;)

414 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 26, 2015 10:18:01am

re: #403 Feline Fearless Leader

And also a touch of the anti-intellectualism that underlies social conservatism in the US.

It is an article of faith that the intellectually advanced are somehow morally degenerate. I think it stems from our inherent cultural and intellectual inferiority complex about Europe.

415 #FergusonFireside  Apr 26, 2015 10:20:19am

re: #404 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Hang loose right now. Don’t want to lose you here.

416 Dark_Falcon  Apr 26, 2015 10:21:01am

re: #399 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

The weirdest part is that when I was growing up (30 years ago), teachers were respected. My parents were No Questions Asked about them.

That was before the relentless drumbeat of school failure stories caused the public to lose faith in teachers. It was also early on in the sequence of events that produced Illinois’ present budget crisis. Back then governor James “Big Jim” Thompson still had enough budgetary room to maneuver to make concessions when needed on salaries. It wasn’t till his successor Jim Edgar that the disastrous policy of using pension increases as a substitute for salary increase was begun.

And that’s what I’ve got time for, because I really need to get going. I just wanted to leave having posted something substantive.

417 #FergusonFireside  Apr 26, 2015 10:21:19am

Loose/lose Teachers give me a gold star today!

418 Dark_Falcon  Apr 26, 2015 10:21:58am

re: #405 HappyWarrior

Calm down. I know your’e upset but don’t get yourself banned over it. It’s not worth ti.

Concur.

419 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2015 10:23:48am

re: #416 Dark_Falcon

We get it.
You despise teachers and unions in general.
That accounts for a substantial portion of the LGF community, but you really don’t care that you insult each and every one of us when you do this.

Please, enjoy your Sunday.

420 allegro  Apr 26, 2015 10:24:24am

re: #417 #FergusonFireside

Loose/lose Teachers give me a gold star today!

LOL I admit that I did notice that with gratitude and thought about commenting with a thank you.

421 blueraven  Apr 26, 2015 10:24:34am

re: #413 Nyet

So it’s basically the opposite: AIPAC is not “pro-Israel” (read: pro-Israeli right) enough for the Republicans ;)

The only way you can argue the opposite is if AIPAC thinks republicans trying to sour the deal will hurt Israel, thus they are not really pro Israel, just anti-Obama.

422 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 10:25:34am

re: #418 Dark_Falcon

Concur.

You do need to understand DF when you bash teachers unions, and echo talking points you are bashing someone’s livelihood whether that’s a Lizard themselves or a loved one. We all know about your own struggles with employment and empathize with it, Perhaps you should afford the same to our teachers. They don’t deserve to be used as scapegoats by politicians and I don’t care that teachers unions tend to support your party’s opponents more often than not, teachers are not the enemy.

423 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 10:26:31am

re: #419 Backwoods_Sleuth

We get it.
You despise teachers and unions in general.
That accounts for a substantial portion of the LGF community, but you really don’t care that you insult each and every one of us when you do this.

Please, enjoy your Sunday.

If teachers unions supported his party overwhelmingly, he’d be the first in line to support them.

424 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 10:26:58am

Nepal earthquake overwhelms country’s weak healthcare system, with only 50 hospital beds for every 10,000 people, WHO study says - @Reuters
read more on cnbc.com

425 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Apr 26, 2015 10:27:01am

re: #422 HappyWarrior

You do need to understand DF when you bash teachers unions, and echo talking points you are bashing someone’s livelihood whether that’s a Lizard themselves or a loved one. We all know about your own struggles with employment and empathize with it, Perhaps you should afford the same to our teachers. They don’t deserve to be used as scapegoats by politicians and I don’t care that teachers unions tend to support your party’s opponents more often than not, teachers are not the enemy.

THIS. So much this.

I’m actually crying atm, and my dog is wondering WTF is going on.

426 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 10:28:02am

re: #424 Justanotherhuman

Nepal earthquake overwhelms country’s weak healthcare system, with only 50 hospital beds for every 10,000 people, WHO study says - @Reuters
read more on cnbc.com

Awful.

427 A Cranky One  Apr 26, 2015 10:29:40am

re: #404 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I will accept a ban from Charles if it means I never have to hear your shit again, D_F.

Please, calm down. We’d hate to lose you.

I understand that it’s difficult to maintain calm with the avalanche of derp coming from the RWNJs lately. I think most of us have needed to step away from the world for a short time when the derp becomes suffocating. But this blog is an island of sanity; don’t walk away because a little derp leaks into the discussions.

428 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 10:30:25am

re: #425 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

THIS. So much this.

I’m actually crying atm, and my dog is wondering WTF is going on.

Hang in there. You teach history right? Man I can’t tell you how my history teachers from the very first history class I took to my last professor as an undergrad excited my imagination.

429 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 10:31:37am

re: #403 Feline Fearless Leader

And also a touch of the anti-intellectualism that underlies social conservatism in the US.

A touch? Its wide open anti-intellectualism. Wiiiide open.

430 Varek Raith  Apr 26, 2015 10:32:10am

FFS, I’m glad I kept my mouth shut.

431 Dr Lizardo  Apr 26, 2015 10:34:37am

re: #429 Justanotherhuman

A touch? Its wide open anti-intellectualism. Wiiiide open.

Yeah, anti-intellectualism is perhaps one of the defining features of what passes for conservatism these days.

432 A Cranky One  Apr 26, 2015 10:34:41am

re: #416 Dark_Falcon

That was before the relentless drumbeat of school failure stories caused the public to lose faith in teachers. It was also early on in the sequence of events that produced Illinois’ present budget crisis. Back then governor James “Big Jim” Thompson still had enough budgetary room to maneuver to make concessions when needed on salaries. It wasn’t till his successor Jim Edgar that the disastrous policy of using pension increases as a substitute for salary increase was begun.

And that’s what I’ve got time for, because I really need to get going. I just wanted to leave having posted something substantive.

Who pushed the “relentless drumbeat of school failures” stories and why?

Oh, and what party did Big Jim Thompson and Jim Edgar belong to?

433 Varek Raith  Apr 26, 2015 10:36:01am

How anyone can be so devoid of empathy is beyond me.

434 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 10:36:49am

re: #431 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, anti-intellectualism is perhaps one of the defining features of what passes for conservatism these days.

It’s anti-intellectualism pushed by people who are fairly intellectual themselves. Just like the hate on the coasts and its residents is brought to you from right wing periodicals published in NEw York.

435 Dr Lizardo  Apr 26, 2015 10:38:33am

Some good news, at least:

Mustafa Akinci, a veteran politician with a strong track record of reaching out to rival Greek Cypriots, has been elected as leader of the breakaway Turkish Cypriots in ethnically divided Cyprus.

Akinci handily defeated hard-line encumbent Dervis Eroglu with 60.38 percent of the vote, preliminary official results showed. Turnout for Sunday’s vote was just over 64 percent.

Akinci is seen as a moderate who can propel forward stalled reunification talks that are expected to resume next month. Akinci rode a wave of discontent with five years of rule by Eroglu who failed to rally right-wing supporters.

bigstory.ap.org

Hopefully, the Cypriots - both Turks and Greeks - will be able to move forward. It won’t be easy, to be sure, but the future’s what you gotta look forward to…..not keep looking back at the past.

436 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 10:39:21am

re: #433 Varek Raith

How anyone can be so devoid of empathy is beyond me.

Empathy is what truly separates liberalism and conservatism once you get past policy differences. I am a liberal in large part because I empathize with those who aren’t me. In my observations of prominent conservatives, it’s teh total opposite- they won’t empathize with people who aren’t them. Never an attempt to sympathize with teh gay kid told he’s going to hell, the unwed mother to be, the black kid harassed by cops.

437 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 10:40:53am

The empathy is why I don’t think much of libertarianism either as an ideology. That’s another ideology that just thinks and ironic given their claims thinks it knows what’s best for everyone.

438 Lidane  Apr 26, 2015 10:41:48am

re: #431 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, anti-intellectualism is perhaps one of the defining features of what passes for conservatism these days.

439 A Cranky One  Apr 26, 2015 10:42:31am

re: #433 Varek Raith

How anyone can be so devoid of empathy is beyond me.

I agree, but it seems to be the defining characteristic of the tea party and libertarian types.

Being sociopathic makes it much easier to get rich though, so I shouldn’t be terribly surprised that people who judge other’s worth based on their wealth have no empathy.

440 William Lewis  Apr 26, 2015 10:44:44am

Hey DF? You around?

441 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 10:46:11am

re: #425 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

THIS. So much this.

I’m actually crying atm, and my dog is wondering WTF is going on.

The love of my life, the most wonderful man I ever met, was a history professor. I wasn’t his student—he was the ex of a friend who recommended him highly. I was devastated when he took a position in Chicago.

He taught me a lot, not the least of which was to respect lifelong learning. I’ve followed his advice ever since. But I’ve always respected teachers and if circumstances had been different for me as a kid, I might have become one, also.

So, hang in there. You can only do what you can do, and hope for a good outcome.

442 Nyet  Apr 26, 2015 10:47:27am

I’m almost waiting for a fresh reverse CT: Evil Obama secretly controls AIPAC.

half-/

443 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 26, 2015 10:47:44am

Boy, time to seriously consider tossing Firefox. Newest version doesn’t have the Twitter picture bug, but it’s a major memory hog, and also pegs my CPU when I attempt to download new comments.

Running it and iTunes at the same time show this clearly as the speed a song is playing slows to a crawl due to Firefox not allowing iTunes any CPU cycles.

444 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 26, 2015 10:48:27am

Teachers have gone from being seen as major contributors to social advancement to inefficient, overpaid unionized moochers…in the course of just a couple of decades.

445 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2015 10:49:47am

OK, this made me laugh.
(I’m a bad person…)

446 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2015 10:50:37am
447 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 10:52:57am

re: #446 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Heh I finally started watching the show as my brother’s a big fan. I really am enjoying it. I like drawing historical parallels and similarities between other works. I’m on season 2- episode 4 so no spoilers but the Little Finger character reminds me of Iago from Othello.

448 Eventual Carrion  Apr 26, 2015 10:53:17am

re: #320 HappyWarrior

But of course. Seriously these candidates just sound so blatantly pandering to me. I mean really Scott, faith got through the recall or was it through wealthy allies?

Wealthy allies are who he has faith in.

449 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 10:54:24am

re: #448 Eventual Carrion

Wealthy allies are who he has faith in.

The holy trinity of gold, dollars, and coins.

450 Charles Johnson  Apr 26, 2015 10:55:18am
451 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 26, 2015 10:55:42am

re: #447 HappyWarrior

Heh I finally started watching the show as my brother’s a big fan. I really am enjoying it. I like drawing historical parallels and similarities between other works. I’m on season 2- episode 4 so no spoilers but the Little Finger character reminds me of Iago from Othello.

Even though I am a big fan of historical fiction and LOTR, after watching the first two episodes of GOT I had no great interest in watching any more of them.

452 Charles Johnson  Apr 26, 2015 10:55:44am

And Chuck followed this with…

453 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 26, 2015 10:56:50am

re: #452 Charles Johnson

And Chuck followed this with…

[Embedded content]

Chucky’s definition of slut: A woman who sleeps with everyone except him

454 Lidane  Apr 26, 2015 10:57:36am

re: #436 HappyWarrior

I am a liberal in large part because I empathize with those who aren’t me.

Same here. I think it’s that empathy that drives me. I’m not gay, but I have friends and family who are. I want them to have the same rights as me. I’m not black, but that doesn’t mean I don’t care about police abuses. I’m not a parent, but I want kids to have a good education free of RWNJ ignorance, and think kids should have access to healthy foods in school.

Recently, a friend of mine from high school thought he had pneumonia, so he went to the doctor. It turned out to be Stage IV glandular cancer. And he doesn’t have insurance because his last employer fucked him over. He’s had to move from Cali back to Texas and is now struggling to pay for his treatment out of pocket. A conservative would just blame Obamacare and move on. A liberal would try to find a way to help him.

re: #437 HappyWarrior

The empathy is why I don’t think much of libertarianism either as an ideology. That’s another ideology that just thinks and ironic given their claims thinks it knows what’s best for everyone.

Libertarianism — and Ayn Rand’s books in particular — tells you that empathy is bad. You’re not supposed to care about others unless it’s in your own self-interest to do so. Empathy for the sake of empathy is a weakness. You’re allowing the collective interest to poison the well and get in the way of the free market. *gag*

455 SteelPH  Apr 26, 2015 10:57:46am

re: #453 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Chucky’s definition of slut: A woman who sleeps with everyone except him

FTFY

456 Lidane  Apr 26, 2015 10:59:41am

re: #446 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m halfway through the third book and I have to agree.

I’d spend a weekend in Narnia or Middle-Earth, but Westeros? Haha, no.

457 Charles Johnson  Apr 26, 2015 11:00:51am

Chuck Johnson is a very sick man.

458 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 11:02:38am

re: #454 Lidane

Same here. I think it’s that empathy that drives me. I’m not gay, but I have friends and family who are. I want them to have the same rights as me. I’m not black, but that doesn’t mean I don’t care about police abuses. I’m not a parent, but I want kids to have a good education free of RWNJ ignorance, and think kids should have access to healthy foods in school.

Recently, a friend of mine from high school thought he had pneumonia, so he went to the doctor. It turned out to be Stage IV glandular cancer. And he doesn’t have insurance because his last employer fucked him over. He’s had to move from Cali back to Texas and is now struggling to pay for his treatment out of pocket. A conservative would just blame Obamacare and move on. A liberal would try to find a way to help him.

Libertarianism — and Ayn Rand’s books in particular — tells you that empathy is bad. You’re not supposed to care about others unless it’s in your own self-interest to do so. Empathy for the sake of empathy is a weakness. You’re allowing the collective interest to poison the well and get in the way of the free market. *gag*

Exactly on both counts.

459 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 26, 2015 11:04:26am

re: #451 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Even though I am a big fan of historical fiction and LOTR, after watching the first two episodes of GOT I had no great interest in watching any more of them.

I started reading GOT, could not get past the first 50 pages.

460 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 11:04:47am

re: #451 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Even though I am a big fan of historical fiction and LOTR, after watching the first two episodes of GOT I had no great interest in watching any more of them.

I didn’t think I would like it but I’m hooked.

461 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 11:09:12am
462 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 11:11:42am

Sunday is no “day of rest” when you’re marginalized.

463 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 26, 2015 11:14:44am

re: #457 Charles Johnson

Looks like CCJ has become adjusted to the fact that he’ll never be more than a crap flinging hack.

464 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 11:15:29am

I hope all these dishonest, “for profit” types are shut down forever.

For-profit Corinthian Colleges to shut down more than 2 dozen remaining schools - @latimes
latimes.com

465 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 26, 2015 11:17:11am

re: #459 Lord Of The Pies

I started reading GOT, could not get past the first 50 pages.

Same here. I read history and I love historical fiction. GOT just didn’t do it for me. Same with the show.

466 Dr Lizardo  Apr 26, 2015 11:18:35am

re: #457 Charles Johnson

Chuck Johnson is a very sick man.

Heh…..UpChuck’s fapping furiously reading that, and everyone knows it.

467 Varek Raith  Apr 26, 2015 11:19:05am

The death of Skyrim for me.
steamcommunity.com

468 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2015 11:20:04am

re: #466 Dr Lizardo

Heh…..UpChuck’s fapping furiously reading that, and everyone knows it.

While he tweets from his bathroom…

469 Lidane  Apr 26, 2015 11:20:47am

So I’m still paying attention to the reaction to POTUS having his Anger Translator on stage. Republicans and conservatives are nothing if not predictable.

DEMEANS TEH OFFICE! TOO LOUD! TOO ANGRY! NOT FUNNY! LOW CLASS! RACIST AGAINST WHITE PEOPLE! and that’s just for starters. The usual suspects are hitting their fainting couches hard over this one. I love it!

YES. THIS. It was awesome. And next year, for his last WHCD? it’s going to be amazing.

470 makeitstop  Apr 26, 2015 11:21:45am

re: #398 HappyWarrior

People = teachers Conservative politicians = government. The point conservatives so often miss when making the government out to be evil.

FTFY

471 Dr Lizardo  Apr 26, 2015 11:23:41am

re: #469 Lidane

So I’m still paying attention to the reaction to POTUS having his Anger Translator on stage. Republicans and conservatives are nothing if not predictable.

DEMEANS TEH OFFICE! TOO LOUD! TOO ANGRY! NOT FUNNY! LOW CLASS! RACIST AGAINST WHITE PEOPLE! and that’s just for starters. The usual suspects are hitting their fainting couches hard over this one. I love it!

@WhiteHouse We were *this close* to seeing Obama going full Bulworth. It was a thing of beauty.

YES. THIS. It was awesome. And next year, for his last WHCD? it’s going to be amazing.

Yep…..it was great. Loved it!

472 A Cranky One  Apr 26, 2015 11:23:41am

re: #468 Backwoods_Sleuth

While he tweets from his bathroom…

…generating content for gotnews. I can picture him: “Oh got a great poop scoop!”

473 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 11:24:02am

re: #469 Lidane

So I’m still paying attention to the reaction to POTUS having his Anger Translator on stage. Republicans and conservatives are nothing if not predictable.

DEMEANS TEH OFFICE! TOO LOUD! TOO ANGRY! NOT FUNNY! LOW CLASS! RACIST AGAINST WHITE PEOPLE! and that’s just for starters. The usual suspects are hitting their fainting couches hard over this one. I love it!

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YES. THIS. It was awesome. And next year, for his last WHCD? it’s going to be amazing.

I love that he did that. For what it’s worth, Jordan Peele who plays Obama in those sketches does one of the better Obama impressions. I love Key and Peele. Great show. They were great on Fargo last year as FBI agents too.

474 HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2015 11:25:00am

Obama and Biden both have senses of humor about themselves. I hope Hillary has that same gift.

475 Timothy Watson  Apr 26, 2015 11:25:50am

Wasn’t McChuckleNuts accused of urinating into the mouth of an ex-girlfriend or something?

476 William Lewis  Apr 26, 2015 11:28:08am

re: #465 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Same here. I read history and I love historical fiction. GOT just didn’t do it for me. Same with the show.

Half way through the first book when I threw it away. The post modernist fantasy riff on the War of the Roses where Richard of Gloucester would have been too ethical to survive and everyone is killed just the teh lulz was not something I found interesting.

477 A Cranky One  Apr 26, 2015 11:29:00am

re: #475 Timothy Watson

Wasn’t McChuckleNuts accused of urinating into the mouth of an ex-girlfriend or something?

Gawker
Verdict: Chuck Johnson is credibly accused of bragging about urinating in an ex-girlfriend’s mouth. Whether or not he actually performed such urination is unknown. You probably would not want to be romantically involved with him.

478 Dr Lizardo  Apr 26, 2015 11:29:07am

re: #475 Timothy Watson

Wasn’t McChuckleNuts accused of urinating into the mouth of an ex-girlfriend or something?

479 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2015 11:30:21am

LOL! Hey UpChuck-for-brains, you need an actual invitation to the NerdProm.

480 Dr Lizardo  Apr 26, 2015 11:30:53am

re: #476 William Barnett-Lewis

Half way through the first book when I threw it away. The post modernist fantasy riff on the War of the Roses where Richard of Gloucester would have been too ethical to survive and everyone is killed just the teh lulz was not something I found interesting.

My favorite Shakespeare film is still this:

…

481 Justanotherhuman  Apr 26, 2015 11:45:26am

>>>>>>>>>

482 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 26, 2015 11:45:58am

re: #480 Dr Lizardo

My favorite Shakespeare film is still this:

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A great performance, but as an unregenerate Yorkist, I don’t believe a word of that Tudor agitprop that Shakespeare preserved for posterity. I think Richard III was the victim of the most successful campaign of character assassination in history—and really, the beginning of that craft, pursued so relentlessly today.

As for George R. R. Martin, I haven’t read anything of his since Dying of the Light, so I have no opinion on GoT.

483 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 26, 2015 12:00:47pm

re: #480 Dr Lizardo

My favorite Shakespeare film is still this:

[Embedded content]

Oh, hell yes!

484 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 26, 2015 12:06:52pm

re: #467 Varek Raith

The death of Skyrim for me.
steamcommunity.com

Speaking as both a player and a modder I’m comfortable with charging for mods. Some of them are astonishingly well done and are the equivalent of expansion packs. The tools are there if you want to roll your own for free.

485 Varek Raith  Apr 26, 2015 12:21:46pm

re: #484 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Speaking as both a player and a modder I’m comfortable with charging for mods. Some of them are astonishingly well done and are the equivalent of expansion packs. The tools are there if you want to roll your own for free.

Well, it has turned into a disaster.
reddit.com

486 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 26, 2015 1:02:33pm

re: #485 Varek Raith

I don’t think that it’s a disaster. The post at your link does point out some of the pitfalls of the current setup. Unless you’re a very careful modder, it’s possible to inadvertently incorporate someone’s work in your mod. Skyrim has been around for a while and so a modder may have long ago replaced a file for, say, a hat, with a better looking one, created by someone else, and then forgotten about it. The structure of the modding tool makes it easiest to replace that original hat with a modded one by using the same file names as the original.
It’s early days. I’d like to see how this plays out.

487 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 26, 2015 2:22:28pm

re: #482 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

A great performance, but as an unregenerate Yorkist, I don’t believe a word of that Tudor agitprop that Shakespeare preserved for posterity. I think Richard III was the victim of the most successful campaign of character assassination in history—and really, the beginning of that craft, pursued so relentlessly today.

As for George R. R. Martin, I haven’t read anything of his since Dying of the Light, so I have no opinion on GoT.

Agitprop so successful that it succeeded in erasing the rule of Richard IV from history.


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