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1 Kragar  Apr 27, 2015 9:24:11pm
2 HappyWarrior  Apr 27, 2015 9:27:22pm

re: #1 Kragar

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This culture needs to change NOW.

3 austin_blue  Apr 27, 2015 9:28:32pm

That new thread smell! Thanks, Charles. Between Baltimore and Tibet, I need to disengage a bit from reality, which seems to consist of equal parts human viscousness and random acts of senseless geological destruction.

I work with several Nepalis and their families are all safe. On the other hand, we have a friend from Arkansas staying with us whose high school classmate (the Google engineer) got killed on Everest.

Life, and the world, is random. But it sure sucks to be a young black man in America.

4 Targetpractice  Apr 27, 2015 9:28:46pm

I think it a rather stark contrast how wingnuts are reacting to events in Baltimore today to the pearl-clutching they’ve tried to feign over NRO’s reports about “midnight raids” of “random conservatives” who supported Scott Walker.

5 Jay in Oregon  Apr 27, 2015 9:29:46pm

“Violence isn’t the answer!”
—People who probably brought AR-15s to town meetings about healthcare

6 Kid A  Apr 27, 2015 9:30:35pm

>>>>>over there>>>> Jonah Goldberg’s dog LOL >>>>over there>>>>

7 Targetpractice  Apr 27, 2015 9:31:07pm

re: #5 Jay in Oregon

“Violence isn’t the answer!”
—People who probably brought AR-15s to town meetings about healthcare

“The government is to be trusted…unless we’re talking about Jade Helm, in which case they’re planning to instigate a new terrorist attack in order to impose martial law and cancel the elections so Obama can remain President for life!”

8 Kid A  Apr 27, 2015 9:31:24pm

re: #5 Jay in Oregon

“Violence isn’t the answer!”
—People who probably brought AR-15s to town meetings about healthcare

Second amendment solutions!!!!

9 BeachDem  Apr 27, 2015 9:32:05pm

Why in the hell does this country never learn? Why does it never learn that invasion and occupation and bombing is not the way to spread democracy and virtually always comes to blowback and ruin? Why does it never learn that reactionary, militarized policing will inevitably lead to rioting, which will inevitably lead to repressive techniques that the rest of the country, watching on television, will approve?

The whole world is watching? Yes, the whole world is watching and applauding every burst of the water cannon and every swing of the truncheon. The country never learns because, goddammit, Americans never learn. Dr. King was right about an eye for an eye. The country is blind.

Freddie Gray should not be dead. He didn’t do anything before his arrest for which he should have been killed. He didn’t do anything during his arrest for which he should have been killed. He didn’t do anything after his arrest for which he should have been killed.

Very few of us live in a place where you can be killed for how you are riding your bicycle or walking down the street. Very few of us understand the frustration of living in a place like that, day after day, petty insult after petty insult. Very few of us understand.

esquire.com

10 austin_blue  Apr 27, 2015 9:32:19pm

re: #5 Jay in Oregon

“Violence isn’t the answer!”
—People who probably brought AR-15s to town meetings about healthcare

Of *course* violence is the answer. Just ask the founding fathers if reasoned arguments and pleading works with entrenched interests.

11 teleskiguy  Apr 27, 2015 9:34:30pm

Conor Friedersdorf is not the most liked guy around these parts, rightly so due to his sometimes orthodoxy thinking on “libertarianism.” But he’s a pretty good writer, and he’s right on with this article. Him and Radley Balko (another “libertine” with a nice job writing for a big publication) have been writing good stuff about racism and the police.

12 Kragar  Apr 27, 2015 9:35:57pm

Anyone who says violence never solves anything is ignoring several thousand years of recorded history.

13 darthstar  Apr 27, 2015 9:36:18pm

Hey everyone…can’t watch the riots. I’ve got peaceful protest/riot overload. Ferguson, New York, Baltimore…it’s like we’ve got a new national past time - kill innocent young men and then stoke the community until they riot and then blame them for being unstable so you can increase ‘security’ measures.

Fuck this shit. If I wanted to be oppressed like this I’d live in Israel or Burma.

14 Targetpractice  Apr 27, 2015 9:42:27pm

re: #12 Kragar

Anyone who says violence never solves anything is ignoring several thousand years of recorded history.

” … I was not making fun of you personally; I was heaping scorn on an inexcusably silly idea — a practice I shall always follow. Anyone who clings to the historically untrue and thoroughly immoral doctrine that violence never settles anything I would advise to conjure up the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and the Duke of Wellington and let them debate it. The ghost of Hitler could referee and the jury might well be the Dodo, the Great Auk, and the Passenger Pigeon. Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and their freedoms.”

Say what you will about Heinlein (and I’m sure a great deal could be said), but he had a way of coming up with quotes that stick with you.

15 jaunte  Apr 27, 2015 9:44:39pm

re: #9 BeachDem

”..I went back to the Kerner Report when Wolf Blitzer, on CNN, pronounced himself gobsmacked that something like this “could take place in an American city.” Jesus, Wolf, the Kerner Report was issued in 1968, after two years of serious rioting in places like Detroit, Newark, and Washington, D.C. It was issued in good faith. It was forgotten within a decade. It remained forgotten in Los Angeles in 1992, and in Ferguson last year. It was forgotten by both sides. It was forgotten by the criminals, on both sides, and it was forgotten by the victims, on both sides. No wonder Blitzer’s gob was so thoroughly smacked.”

What does Wolf Blitzer do so well that he has a job?

16 teleskiguy  Apr 27, 2015 9:45:22pm
17 BeachDem  Apr 27, 2015 9:49:09pm

re: #15 jaunte

What does Wolf Blitzer do so well that he has a job?

I’ve never been able to figure it out. He’s not smart (evidenced by his stellar Jeopardy appearance.) He’s not charismatic (I have socks that are more exciting.) He doesn’t have any particular area of expertise that makes him invaluable for discussion purposes. He’s not good-looking.

He either has the goods on some CNN exec or has serious family connections—that’s all I can come up with.

18 jaunte  Apr 27, 2015 9:50:20pm
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19 Joe Bacon  Apr 27, 2015 9:51:12pm

re: #15 jaunte

What does Wolf Blitzer do so well that he has a job?

Wolf flunks on Jeopardy.

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20 austin_blue  Apr 27, 2015 9:52:41pm

re: #17 BeachDem

I’ve never been able to figure it out. He’s not smart (evidenced by his stellar Jeopardy appearance.) He’s not charismatic (I have socks that are more exciting.) He doesn’t have any particular area of expertise that makes him invaluable for discussion purposes. He’s not good-looking.

He either has the goods on some CNN exec or has serious family connections—that’s all I can come up with.

Tremendous stripper name, though, for a Chippendale dancer.

21 Joe Bacon  Apr 27, 2015 9:53:43pm

re: #20 austin_blue

He got his start as a reporter with Pat Robertson…

yuricareport.com

it’s scary to hear someone carry-on like Pat. But it’s sort of strange to realize that Pat and Wolf Blitzer go way back together. Yep! Wolf used to work for Pat Robertson’s CBN way back when Pat was setting up his news bureau and Wolf was the 700 Club’s reporter from the Middle East. He was a lot younger in those days, but in those beginning days Pat exposed Wolf Blitzer to a viewing audience that topped the Nielsen ratings at 28.7 million monthly viewers! Thats a great way to launch one’s career. But Wolf Blitzer likes to keep that part of his career kind of quiet. He doesn’t list the 700 Clubs news bureau in his biography. He doesn’t tell CNN’s audience that Pat was like an angel to him when he was just an independent reporter starting out. But those of us who watched Pat’s show could never forget Wolf Blitzers reports. He was presented to us as such an expert and we were just so proud of him! And look how high he’s gone. You’d; think he’d; give Pat a little credit. No doubt he says thanks by inviting him on CNN!

22 darthstar  Apr 27, 2015 9:56:27pm

re: #15 jaunte

What does Wolf Blitzer do so well that he has a job?

His name is WOLF! BLITZER! And he was a 700 club personality before the first gulf war in 1991. Or he was a “reporter” for one of those jesus-fuck channels. Either way, he was an instant hit because WOLF!!! BLITZER!!! and patriot missiles and SCUDs and all that shit.

He’s basically Chuck Todd with hair.

23 jaunte  Apr 27, 2015 9:56:46pm

re: #19 Joe Bacon

Wolf flunks on Jeopardy.

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Waiting for Sean Connery to ask for the Pen is Mightier category.

24 Kragar  Apr 27, 2015 10:10:52pm
25 Kragar  Apr 27, 2015 10:14:11pm
26 Targetpractice  Apr 27, 2015 10:15:50pm

It really is days like these that I curse being a political junkie, cause otherwise I might have spent it playing Fallout 3 for the billionth time instead.

27 Kragar  Apr 27, 2015 10:17:45pm

re: #26 Targetpractice

It really is days like these that I curse being a political junkie, cause otherwise I might have spent it playing Fallout 3 for the billionth time instead.

I at least got to work on my Ad Mech troops while tweeting.

I showed my daughter my progress and she said “It looks like Starlord!” and I realized she was right.

28 Targetpractice  Apr 27, 2015 10:23:12pm

Well, I admit I didn’t spend all day feeding my addiction. I had to get some grocery shopping done, then I had to cook dinner, then I had to make a trip to Best Buy in the middle of the frakking night because my old monitor finally decided tonight was the night to call it quits. On the upside, I managed to snag a 21.5” LED for $130, so I guess it wasn’t a total wash.

29 Kragar  Apr 27, 2015 10:30:00pm
30 teleskiguy  Apr 27, 2015 10:30:44pm

Matt Drudge, he’s got to be the worst.

Shit guise, I first heard about LGF while I was listening to Matt Drudge on the radio. They were talking about Reuters fake photographs, maybe something else.

Matt Drudge is the worst. In that he has perfected the right wing fear factor to money ratio.

31 Targetpractice  Apr 27, 2015 10:34:07pm

You ever notice that the assholes giving the President the most shit for not fixing 150+ years of racial animosity are white dudes whose worst interactions with the police might have been a citation for having a broken taillight?

32 Swift2991  Apr 27, 2015 10:35:54pm

I’m not going to be a Pollyanna about it, I’m just thinking of message discipline and how to make it better. This is a big political win for the other guys. I haven’t followed too closely this series of demonstrations, but it seemed to me that until this, the cops were on the run for moral ground. They have no good excuse for this torture and killing. But now, this gives every local news station what to run. It bleeds, it scare whites, and it leads. The FEAR BLACKS meme is alive. The police are being strategic, accusing the demonstrators of being an alliance of gangs and African national movements — yeah, BS for sure; why not some “Black Muslims,” too? — the “crips and the bloods” are not political at all, they’re criminal dealers. This is a sad, but predictable cycle to news of racial injustice. Demonstrations, rallies, with an agenda, and then the cops figure out a way to make the young kids go nuts. Result: white backlash. The “la-la-la, we won’t listen” mode.

33 Targetpractice  Apr 27, 2015 10:42:35pm

re: #32 Swift2991

No offense, but what should be done instead? Like Ferguson and in NYC, the cops just kept escalating and fanning the flames until finally people went off. Yesterday, while people caught video of a press photographer getting beaten by several cops and another dragged off in cuffs only to be released on a “disorderly conduct” charge, the media focused on 12 arrests. Today, when the city shut down public transportation, had cops deploy in riot gear, and using force to break-up any gathering of kids stuck without a way to get home, the media reports on the explosion of the powder keg that the city leaders allowed to grow.

See, the days of water hoses and police dogs being used to intimidate are long gone. Cops got wise a long time back and realized that all they have to do to win the moral high ground is just keep the media on their side. Keep pressing on the demonstrators until they act out, then crack down and blame any violence on the “rioters.” If Dr. King were alive today, he’d be receiving sneers about being a “race pimp” and fanning racial animosity to make money.

34 DodgerFan1988  Apr 27, 2015 10:44:21pm

Hypocritical Conservatives who complains about “big government” trampling on their rights, calling for a strong police state to crackdown on the black community. rightwingnews.com

35 austin_blue  Apr 27, 2015 10:45:55pm

re: #32 Swift2991

I’m not going to be a Pollyanna about it, I’m just thinking of message discipline and how to make it better. This is a big political win for the other guys. I haven’t followed too closely this series of demonstrations, but it seemed to me that until this, the cops were on the run for moral ground. They have no good excuse for this torture and killing. But now, this gives every local news station what to run. It bleeds, it scare whites, and it leads. The FEAR BLACKS meme is alive. The police are being strategic, accusing the demonstrators of being an alliance of gangs and African national movements — yeah, BS for sure; why not some “Black Muslims,” too? — the “crips and the bloods” are not political at all, they’re criminal dealers. This is a sad, but predictable cycle to news of racial injustice. Demonstrations, rallies, with an agenda, and then the cops figure out a way to make the young kids go nuts. Result: white backlash. The “la-la-la, we won’t listen” mode.

Well that’s ultimately blaming the victims, isn’t it? If you protest your violent oppression with violence, you are then the bad guys.

Wrong on so many levels…

I’m for the rack. Night all.

36 LastYearsMan  Apr 27, 2015 10:50:36pm

RWNJs find message discipline easy because it’s easier to agree on a fantasy narrative than to make sense of the murk of the real world. It’s quicker, easier, more seductive … but ultimately it’s not stronger.

37 Targetpractice  Apr 27, 2015 10:53:04pm

Let’s be honest, the cops had already begun to win in Baltimore. After the initial wave of shock and outrage in the press about Gray’s death, the slow-walking of the investigation and the “missing” footage led to the press dropping coverage of the story. Is it any coincidence that the day before the funeral, when the story would get national attention again, that the police suddenly started showing up in riot gear and talking about “credible threats” as excuses for locking down the city?

38 team_fukit  Apr 27, 2015 10:53:06pm

re: #33 Targetpractice

I wouldn’t say cops got wise, that how they’ve been doing things in the North as opposed to the fire hose treatment in South. Reminds me of how the cops handled the media and the protesters during the Chicago ‘68 riot, surrounding and agitating the Yippies and then blaming them for the violence.

39 goddamnedfrank  Apr 27, 2015 10:59:58pm
40 Kragar  Apr 27, 2015 11:01:55pm
41 The War TARDIS  Apr 27, 2015 11:07:57pm

Baltimore Orioles COO John Angelos:

“Brett, speaking only for myself, I agree with your point that the principle of peaceful, non-violent protest and the observance of the rule of law is of utmost importance in any society. MLK, Gandhi, Mandela and all great opposition leaders throughout history have always preached this precept.

Further, it is critical that in any democracy, investigation must be completed and due process must be honored before any government or police members are judged responsible.

That said, my greater source of personal concern, outrage and sympathy beyond this particular case is focused neither upon one night’s property damage nor upon the acts, but is focused rather upon the past four-decade period during which an American political elite have shipped middle class and working class jobs away from Baltimore and cities and towns around the U.S. to third-world dictatorships like China and others, plunged tens of millions of good, hard-working Americans into economic devastation, and then followed that action around the nation by diminishing every American’s civil rights protections in order to control an unfairly impoverished population living under an ever-declining standard of living and suffering at the butt end of an ever-more militarized and aggressive surveillance state.

The innocent working families of all backgrounds whose lives and dreams have been cut short by excessive violence, surveillance, and other abuses of the Bill of Rights by government pay the true price, and ultimate price, and one that far exceeds the importances of any kids’ game played tonight, or ever, at Camden Yards. We need to keep in mind people are suffering and dying around the U.S., and while we are thankful no one was injured at Camden Yards, there is a far bigger picture for poor Americans in Baltimore and everywhere who don’t have jobs and are losing economic civil and legal rights, and this makes inconvenience at a ballgame irrelevant in light of the needless suffering government is inflicting upon ordinary Americans.”

I’m impressed.

42 Targetpractice  Apr 27, 2015 11:23:12pm

I continue to marvel at how anybody bought that, after decades of animosity, the Crips & Bloods decided that the death of Freddie Gray was reason to put aside their beefs and attack cops in Baltimore.

43 Kragar  Apr 27, 2015 11:44:01pm

re: #42 Targetpractice

I continue to marvel at how anybody bought that, after decades of animosity, the Crips & Bloods decided that the death of Freddie Gray was reason to put aside their beefs and attack cops in Baltimore.

What did you hear?

44 Targetpractice  Apr 27, 2015 11:47:32pm

re: #43 Kragar

What did you hear?

Rival Bloods and Crips gangs teaming up to ‘take out’ Baltimore cops: authorities

45 Kragar  Apr 27, 2015 11:50:48pm

re: #44 Targetpractice

Rival Bloods and Crips gangs teaming up to ‘take out’ Baltimore cops: authorities

I’ve heard they planned on working together to prevent looting, but nothing about “targeting cops.”

46 Kragar  Apr 27, 2015 11:56:57pm

I mentioned it last thread, but here it is again.

My mom worked as a teacher for 30 years, working with lots of at-risk and gang affiliated kids, helping them to graduate. She’s kept in regular contact with a lot of this kids, many of whom are gang members today. According to her, a lot of the gangs said they are definitely talking to each other more, but its mostly about protecting their neighborhoods from looting and vandalism, not targeting police.

47 Kragar  Apr 27, 2015 11:58:08pm
48 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 28, 2015 12:58:34am

This reminds of the BBC coverage of the Mau-Mau I saw when I was a little kid in England. If I hadn’t known some actual black kids at the AF base, the TV news could easily have convinced me that they had fangs, horns, and tails.

Racism keeps the sheep divided. Naturally the corporate media want to incite it as much as they can.

49 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 28, 2015 1:20:34am

re: #48 Shiplord Kirel

This reminds of the BBC coverage of the Mau-Mau I saw when I was a little kid in England. If I hadn’t known some actual black kids at the AF base, the TV news could easily have convinced me that they had fangs, horns, and tails.

Racism keeps the sheep divided. Naturally the corporate media want to incite it as much as they can.

Remember when Newt Gingrich said that Obama had a “Kenyan world view”?

I am sure he did not mean it in the sense of a former British colony that won independence through armed struggle but rather in the sense of savages rising up and slaughtering their white overlords.

50 Kragar  Apr 28, 2015 1:36:10am

Finger cramped up and I couldn’t get it to extend. Had to use my other hand to get it working again.

Odd.

51 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 28, 2015 1:36:55am

re: #50 Kragar

Finger cramped up and I couldn’t get it to extend. Had to use my other hand to get it working again.

Odd.

At least it didn’t get stuck up your nose…

52 Kragar  Apr 28, 2015 1:38:29am

re: #51 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

This time.

53 Kragar  Apr 28, 2015 1:57:59am
54 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 28, 2015 1:58:56am

re: #53 Kragar

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wow. just wow.

55 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 2:11:06am

More neglect in the city. Don’t have a medical emergency in the meantime.

Editor’s note: We are seeing reports of 911 calls going unanswered in the Baltimore area amid unrest. According to @PauLGessler, no operators are picking up. - Jillian
end of note

56 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 2:13:11am

This has to be the most ironic tweet yet.

57 Kragar  Apr 28, 2015 2:20:08am
58 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 2:21:45am

re: #57 Kragar

I wish I could make this viral.

59 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 2:24:03am
60 Kragar  Apr 28, 2015 2:26:32am

re: #59 Justanotherhuman

Why is no one talking about colonist on colonist violence?

61 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 2:35:29am

We used to call these ghettos. Well, they still exist in the richest country on earth. Of course, no one wants to “gentrify” these neighborhoods until white people decide to move in, for whatever reason. We’ve all seen it and wonder: Where do Black residents end up? Because whites don’t want them in their neighborhoods.

62 Kragar  Apr 28, 2015 2:41:00am
63 Decatur Deb  Apr 28, 2015 2:43:34am

re: #62 Kragar

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Retirement. How does it work?

64 William Lewis  Apr 28, 2015 2:44:35am

3rd shift - how does that work?

65 Kragar  Apr 28, 2015 2:46:45am

re: #63 Decatur Deb

re: #64 William Barnett-Lewis

FUCKING LIBERALS!
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And with that, bed.

66 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 2:47:57am

re: #62 Kragar

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How old is “Jordan”? 12? Or maybe a trust fund baby who will never know shit?

67 goddamnedfrank  Apr 28, 2015 2:48:11am

Nipple clamps, how does that work?

Wait … what?

68 Decatur Deb  Apr 28, 2015 2:49:23am

re: #66 Justanotherhuman

How old is “Jordan”? 12? Or maybe a trust fund baby who will never know shit?

Dallas. Pistachio Whisperer.

69 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 2:57:03am

re: #68 Decatur Deb

Dallas. Pistachio Whisperer.

Also appears to like to show what a warrior he is, also. Obviously loves to kill people and proud of it.

Iraq and Afghan vets I’ve met are a different breed, maybe because of being part of a volunteer army which made them “special”.

70 Decatur Deb  Apr 28, 2015 3:01:27am

re: #69 Justanotherhuman

Also appears to like to show what a warrior he is, also. Obviously loves to kill people and proud of it.

Iraq and Afghan vets I’ve met are a different breed, maybe because of being part of a volunteer army which made them “special”.

Pretty much everyone I worked with at HQDA was, or became, a Nam/Granada/Kuwait/Iraq/Afghanistan vet. It doesn’t make them qualitatively different, it just makes them more intense.

71 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 3:04:45am

We’re going to see more of this until the cops and white majority understand a thing or two. #BlackLivesMatter

72 Decatur Deb  Apr 28, 2015 3:07:24am

For the feedback, yesterday’s threads became impossible to follow—probably the vine issue. That’s with the freshest Ubuntu/FF running on a fairly heavy laptop.

Probably just as well. The easiest thing to say about Ferguson—>Baltimore is “Something Stupid”.

73 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 3:16:17am

re: #70 Decatur Deb

Pretty much everyone I worked with at HQDA was, or became, a Nam/Granada/Kuwait/Iraq/Afghanistan vet. It doesn’t make them qualitatively different, it just makes them more intense.

No, these young vets I’m meeting are different than the ‘Nam vets I met back in the day who were returning, even if they are having the same kind of problems. Many of the Vietnam vets were racked w/guilt over innocents they were forced to kill—not a few of those vets were very young draftees who couldn’t get out of it. Too many of the Iraq vets in particular bought Bush’s rationale for invading Iraq.

74 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 3:21:25am

re: #72 Decatur Deb

I’ll try not to embed vines. W/a new laptop, I’m having no issues,but didn’t realize others might.

75 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 3:27:48am

State offices in Baltimore will be closed from 6 am ET until end of day shift because of state of emergency; emergency personnel report as scheduled - @MdStateClosing
see original on twitter.com

76 Decatur Deb  Apr 28, 2015 3:31:03am

re: #74 Justanotherhuman

I’ll try not to embed vines. W/a new laptop, I’m having no issues,but didn’t realize others might.

Vines are going to happen when we get a lot of street-level reporting. NBD.

77 Decatur Deb  Apr 28, 2015 3:32:34am

re: #76 Decatur Deb

Vines are going to happen when we get a lot of street-level reporting. NBD.

(I might be compounding the problem by habitually keeping Spy and a couple threads open.)

78 Dire Straits  Apr 28, 2015 3:43:11am

Baltimore has always been overlooked and something of a Beltway I-95 joke because of its location between D.C. and Philly.

79 Dire Straits  Apr 28, 2015 3:44:31am

re: #19 Joe Bacon

Wolf flunks on Jeopardy.

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He has a great name!

80 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 3:47:00am

Doncha know FN loves this…

81 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 3:50:22am

Britain has sent a team of Nepalese Gurkha soldiers to assist earthquake survivors - @Reuters
end of alert

82 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 3:52:04am
83 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 3:54:54am

BBL.

84 Decatur Deb  Apr 28, 2015 3:59:01am

This bullshit is very helpful:

Baltimore in Ashes After Freddie Gray Protests Descend Into Chaos
nbcnews.com - 19 minutes ago

Burning out stores is pretty useless, but it’s not a city in ashes.

85 Alyosha  Apr 28, 2015 4:00:33am

My heart is with Baltimore tonight just as it is with all those who must suffer the brunt of the ‘law’.

Here, we are waiting for word of the executions of nine people convicted by Indonesia of drug trafficking, including two Australian citizens, Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran.

It’s all so sad.

mobile.abc.net.au

86 Decatur Deb  Apr 28, 2015 4:22:45am

How the NYT describes the city in ashes:

Reporters for The New York Times are covering the spreading violence. Here are developments as of early Tuesday morning:

Maryland’s governor has declared a state of emergency and activated the National Guard. City officials imposed a weeklong curfew from 10 p.m. to 5 a.m., starting Tuesday.
At least 15 officers were injured Monday, mostly from thrown rocks and bricks.
The police said they made at least 27 arrests on Monday.
Several businesses were looted, including a CVS. There were at least two large fires overnight.

nytimes.com

87 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 28, 2015 4:27:31am
88 makeitstop  Apr 28, 2015 4:55:40am

re: #86 Decatur Deb

How the NYT describes the city in ashes:

Reporters for The New York Times are covering the spreading violence. Here are developments as of early Tuesday morning:

Maryland’s governor has declared a state of emergency and activated the National Guard. City officials imposed a weeklong curfew from 10 p.m. to 5 a.m., starting Tuesday.
At least 15 officers were injured Monday, mostly from thrown rocks and bricks.
The police said they made at least 27 arrests on Monday.
Several businesses were looted, including a CVS. There were at least two large fires overnight.

nytimes.com

Media is complicit. Fuckers. Liberal media, my ass.

89 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 28, 2015 5:03:19am

re: #85 Alyosha

My heart is with Baltimore tonight just as it is with all those who must suffer the brunt of the ‘law’.

Here, we are waiting for word of the executions of nine people convicted by Indonesia of drug trafficking, including two Australian citizens, Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran.

It’s all so sad.

mobile.abc.net.au

I can’t feel too bad for people who would engage in drug trafficking in Indonesia knowing the consequences, but I do feel bad for people in America who cannot simply live their lives without facing the “consequences” of walking, driving or working while black.

90 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 28, 2015 5:21:55am

re: #86 Decatur Deb

Protesters and rioters are seen as identical although they are not necessarily so, but then again, all those people look alike, don’t they?

91 Decatur Deb  Apr 28, 2015 5:34:50am

re: #90 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Protesters and rioters are seen as identical although they are not necessarily so, but then again, all those people look alike, don’t they?

Early days. It takes the authorities a couple years to radicalize a generation. Then it takes the radicals a couple years to discipline themselves. That self-discipline will bring the clarity you want.

92 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 28, 2015 5:35:46am
93 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 5:37:47am

What’s wrong with this picture?

94 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 28, 2015 5:37:49am
95 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 5:39:13am
96 Decatur Deb  Apr 28, 2015 5:39:39am

re: #93 Justanotherhuman

What’s wrong with this picture?

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Confused cops are facing the wrong way.

97 ObserverArt  Apr 28, 2015 5:40:49am

Morning all. What a night. I am so disappointed with much of the news media, but the damn use of the word “suspect” for Freddie Gray by CNN just drove it home.

I hope those CNN idiots realize that this whole mess was caused by the Baltimore police thinking the same way, a young black man must be a suspect. So the young man knowing that he is being looked at as a suspect panics and runs…and then all of this.

I’m going to use the words of a preacher that many will recognize.

“God damn America — that’s in the Bible — for killing innocent people. God damn America, for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America, as long as she tries to act like she is God, and she is supreme. The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African descent”

Sigh. And summer is coming. It is going to be hot.

And oh yeah…take it back FOX and all the RWNJs that took Reverend Wright’s words to task. He was/is right!

98 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 5:41:29am

re: #96 Decatur Deb

And why is Hogan wearing a police jacket?

99 Decatur Deb  Apr 28, 2015 5:42:39am

re: #98 Justanotherhuman

And why is Hogan wearing a police jacket?

Might be a “Governor” jacket. The patch looks like the state flag.

100 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 5:45:48am

I’m telling you, SRB may be a one-time mayor.

101 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 28, 2015 5:47:35am
102 Decatur Deb  Apr 28, 2015 5:48:56am

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

Baltimore Mayor, Maryland Guv Abruptly Leave Don Lemon Interview

Why the hell would anyone start a Don Lemon interview?

103 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 5:49:04am

re: #99 Decatur Deb

Might be a “Governor” jacket. The patch looks like the state flag.

Yes, I blew it up and it does say “governor”—still looks like a shield, though.

104 Romantic Heretic  Apr 28, 2015 5:49:50am

re: #14 Targetpractice

” … I was not making fun of you personally; I was heaping scorn on an inexcusably silly idea — a practice I shall always follow. Anyone who clings to the historically untrue and thoroughly immoral doctrine that violence never settles anything I would advise to conjure up the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and the Duke of Wellington and let them debate it. The ghost of Hitler could referee and the jury might well be the Dodo, the Great Auk, and the Passenger Pigeon. Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and their freedoms.”

Say what you will about Heinlein (and I’m sure a great deal could be said), but he had a way of coming up with quotes that stick with you.

On the other hand.

Falkenberg looked at him grimly, then pointed to the bodies below. “Damn you, don’t say that,’ he shouted. “I haven’t saved anything. All a soldier can do is buy time.” from The Mercenary by Jerry Pournelle

Also:

“Oh, there’s one thing more,” Hawker added in a gentle voice as he willingly accepted the handclasp. “Profile, I’ll bet the Chief Executive thinks we were firing long bursts when we cleared the cave.”

“What,” said Radescu in amazement, pausing with the mercenary’s hand still in his.

“Oh, Via, no,” Profile Bourne blurted, his directed at the suggestion rather than the fact that the Loot had voiced it. “Blood ‘n martyrs, General, single shots only. Lord, the polish that stone had, the ricochets’d fry us all like pork rinds if we’d just tries to hose those things down.” He stared at Radescu in the hopeful horror of a specialist who prays he’s been able to prevent a friend from doing something lethally dangerous through ignorance.

“That’s right, sir,” said Enzo Hawker as he met the Chief Executive’s wondering eyes. “You have to know exactly what you’re doing before you decide to use guns.” From At Any Price by David Drake

105 Decatur Deb  Apr 28, 2015 5:50:15am

re: #103 Justanotherhuman

Yes, I blew it up and it does say “governor”—still looks like a shield, though.

Maryland’s flag is the old Lord Baltimore coat-of-arms.

106 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 5:54:38am

re: #105 Decatur Deb

Maryland’s flag is the old Lord Baltimore coat-of-arms.

Holy cow, MD, come into the 21st century.

107 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Apr 28, 2015 5:56:48am

On riots:

I have been in a riot. It was a riot was caused by a sports team whose fans were mostly white people rioting. There were some arrests and the white rioters were called ‘hooligans’ at one point which was a rather charming and cheeky descriptor. Quite different than ‘thugs’.

These riots clearly disturbed the white population, but it didn’t really scare them.

Riots of black people, on the other hand, scare ordinary white folk because ordinary white folk have an understanding of just how badly black people have been abused in this country and they fear that black people want vengeance.

In answer to that, i’d say the only thing that forestalls vengeance is justice.

108 Decatur Deb  Apr 28, 2015 6:01:17am

PT/Civ4 time. BBL

109 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 6:04:17am

Looks like Hogan just came to gawk like a tourist at the damage. As if anyone believes he’s interested in making things better for the people who live there.

110 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 6:07:51am

More props for these people. #Respect.

111 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 28, 2015 6:09:50am
112 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 6:10:15am

Death toll officially now over 5,000.

Official says 250 people missing after a mudslide in village near center of Nepal earthquake - @APhttp://news.yahoo.com
read more on yahoo.com

113 makeitstop  Apr 28, 2015 6:12:34am

I had to bail on Facebook today. Everybody’s letting their inner authoritarian asshole run free.

The media has done its intended job. Freddie Gray’s arrest record is everywhere.

Some days I hate this country.

114 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 6:13:50am

re: #55 Justanotherhuman

More neglect in the city. Don’t have a medical emergency in the meantime.

Editor’s note: We are seeing reports of 911 calls going unanswered in the Baltimore area amid unrest. According to @PauLGessler, no operators are picking up. - Jillian
end of note

Yeah but car set on fire.

/

115 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 6:14:43am

re: #61 Justanotherhuman

We used to call these ghettos. Well, they still exist in the richest country on earth. Of course, no one wants to “gentrify” these neighborhoods until white people decide to move in, for whatever reason. We’ve all seen it and wonder: Where do Black residents end up? Because whites don’t want them in their neighborhoods.

Yeah but CVS looting.

//

116 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 6:16:31am

re: #113 makeitstop

I had to bail on Facebook today. Everybody’s letting their inner authoritarian asshole run free.

The media has done its intended job. Freddie Gray’s arrest record is everywhere.

Some days I hate this country.

BTW, where’d the Tea Party go? Operation American Spring and all that? I miss their The Tree of Liberty Must Be Sprinkled With Blood From Time to Time parades.

/

117 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 6:17:39am

re: #116 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

BTW, where’d the Tea Party go? Operation American Spring and all that? I miss their The Tree of Liberty Must Be Sprinkled With Blood From Time to Time parades.

/

Just not their blood.

118 ObserverArt  Apr 28, 2015 6:20:38am

re: #116 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

BTW, where’d the Tea Party go? Operation American Spring and all that? I miss their The Tree of Liberty Must Be Sprinkled With Blood From Time to Time parades.

/

Probably at home satiated with all these killings of innocent African Americans and thinking their wishes are being met. Also trying to figure out how nutty they want their next presidential candidate to be.

119 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 6:23:25am
Sort of amazed that anyone familiar with Baltimore is shocked by the rioting tonight. t.co
— Ta-Nehisi Coates

Also sort of amazed that anyone who hasn’t followed the news for the past year would be surprised.

120 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 6:25:17am
121 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 6:28:38am

re: #119 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

122 Varek Raith  Apr 28, 2015 6:29:18am

What happened last night was unacceptable.
What the cops did to that man was unacceptable.

123 Alyosha  Apr 28, 2015 6:31:30am

re: #89 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I can’t feel too bad for people who would engage in drug trafficking in Indonesia knowing the consequences, but I do feel bad for people in America who cannot simply live their lives without facing the “consequences” of walking, driving or working while black.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard that exact same argument. I get it, though. They committed a crime that carries a capital punishment.
The existence of the death penalty for drug importation must in part be considered what makes the trade so lucrative.
I won’t even ask for sympathy on their behalf. Isn’t mercy enough? Just because it’s not my county’s law doesn’t mean I can’t protest.
Executing these young men, in a manner also reserved for the Bali bombers is repulsive.
To diminish their lives for an act of stupidity, for which they’ve atoned one might say spiritually whilst incarcerated, is to undermine one’s own humanity.

It’s not the same grinding injustice as that which confronts the African American community every day, but have some sympathy.

124 lawhawk  Apr 28, 2015 6:31:47am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Sadly and predictably, the media and law enforcement (plus the LEO sychophants who are all about cracking skulls and killing thugs who riot, but also simultaneously hold to 2A solutions, supported Cliven Bundy’s theft of federal services) are all holding to their predestined memes.

The media gets its riot. The police and political leaders establish the conditions for which a riot to occur, and those within the community take advantage and commit acts of violence themselves.

Who needs The Wire when you’ve got real world violence that is so much worse.

None of this brings back Freddie Gray. He’s dead. Arrested by police. Spine severed. No explanations. Nothing. His family left to grieve, and a community wondering who exactly the Baltimore PD is protecting and serving when they kill suspects with rough rides. It’s not the first time that this has happened (rough rides) or officer involved shootings.

Reforming law enforcement in the country has to happen. And it wont happen overnight, as much as that has to happen. Law enforcement will resist, and aided by politicians who feed/fan the flames of lawlessness will seek to absolve law enforcement when unarmed people - disproportionately black - are killed by cops.

We are supposed to uphold justice and equal protection under the law, but that ideal isn’t being followed. 150 years after the end of slavery, there is still racial injustice in the nation. I don’t have to be black to see it. I don’t have to be a minority to see it.

It’s there for all to see, if you just bother to look and open your eyes.

125 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 6:34:17am

Acceptance of “official” figures from LE via the press.

Baltimore mayor’s office reports 202 arrests, 144 vehicle fires, 15 structures burned since Monday afternoon - @baltimoresun
end of alert

126 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 6:36:41am

LE: Hell, let’s just lump all these “crimes” in together—who’ll notice?

127 ObserverArt  Apr 28, 2015 6:37:48am

re: #125 Justanotherhuman

Acceptance of “official” figures from LE via the press.

Baltimore mayor’s office reports 202 arrests, 144 vehicle fires, 15 structures burned since Monday afternoon - @baltimoresun
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And if you listen to the media “all of Baltimore Burns!!!”

Well, gotta get something done…lurk mode on. Later.

128 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 6:39:45am

No doubt cop trash left over are also in those bags.

129 darthstar  Apr 28, 2015 6:41:29am
130 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 6:43:47am

Some here may have already read the article linked.

131 Alyosha  Apr 28, 2015 6:46:01am

re: #123 Alyosha

Damn. I now realize I pointedly didn’t ask for sympathy as a rhetorical device before demanding it a few sentences later.

Fuck it. My point stands.

132 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 6:47:21am

deray mckesson retweeted
Brown:First Readings @FirstReadings * 33m 33 minutes ago
Protesters in Baltimore holding up copies of “The New Jim Crow” (@thenewjimcrow) vine.co (via: @deray)

I have to get this.

newjimcrow.com

133 E'Ville Mike  Apr 28, 2015 6:51:02am

re: #13 darthstar

Welcome back to the late 60s - 17…18…19…take your pick.

History does not repeat itself, but it sure as hell rhymes.

134 lawhawk  Apr 28, 2015 6:52:21am

re: #133 E’Ville Mike

Welcome back to the late 60s - 17…18…19…take your pick.

History does not repeat itself, but it sure as hell rhymes.

It doesn’t repeat. It stutters.

135 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 6:52:24am

Why don’t they just close all of Baltimore? ///

National Aquarium in Baltimore says it will be closed Tuesday, cancels events, at request of city officials - @NatlAquarium
see original on twitter.com

So, people not in school or at work (because the kids are not in school and nobody has transportation anyway) are expected to have all that time to do what, exactly?

You know if they leave their homes and start walking, they’ll be under surveillance with all the heat on the street. They’re even suspicious if they sit on their porches.

136 darthstar  Apr 28, 2015 6:52:46am

Cool page on pace of social change in America and how much shorter the cycles are getting. Funky graphics. Enjoy

bloomberg.com

137 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 6:56:00am

re: #136 darthstar

Cool page on pace of social change in America and how much shorter the cycles are getting. Funky graphics. Enjoy

bloomberg.com

So—doesn’t this also prove that “states rights” doesn’t work?

138 darthstar  Apr 28, 2015 7:01:17am
139 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 7:01:47am

re: #130 Justanotherhuman

Some here may have already read the article linked.

Yeah but looting.

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140 Lidane  Apr 28, 2015 7:04:53am

ZOMG LIBRUL MARXIST!

141 darthstar  Apr 28, 2015 7:07:16am

re: #137 Justanotherhuman

So—doesn’t this also prove that “states rights” doesn’t work?

States’ Rights is fine until it steps on the toes of federal legislation. And federal legislation, by definition, can fucking step wherever it wants, so states’ rights need to keep their toes back.

142 Lidane  Apr 28, 2015 7:09:16am

Following in Tony Perkins’s footsteps:

Yes, because the best way to convince SCOTUS that you’re right is by threatening to have them impeached if they disagree with you.

143 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 7:10:20am

re: #142 Lidane

Following in Tony Perkins’s footsteps:

Yes, because the best way to convince SCOTUS that you’re right is by threatening to have them impeached if they disagree with you.

Because a ruling I believe is wrong is an impeachable offense.

Glad we got that cleared up.

144 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 7:11:34am

re: #138 darthstar

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Those are old photos from Oakland from last year, Ferguson.

gawker.com

145 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 7:12:01am

re: #142 Lidane

Following in Tony Perkins’s footsteps:

Yes, because the best way to convince SCOTUS that you’re right is by threatening to have them impeached if they disagree with you.

I wonder if the anti-SSM lawyers in court will use this as one of their arguments.

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146 Lidane  Apr 28, 2015 7:14:24am

This is a novel approach:

Because legalizing gay marriage will make ISIS and Al Qaeda hate us more? WTF.

147 Dr Lizardo  Apr 28, 2015 7:15:55am

re: #142 Lidane

Following in Tony Perkins’s footsteps:

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Yes, because the best way to convince SCOTUS that you’re right is by threatening to have them impeached if they disagree with you.

They’re desperate because they reckon they’re gonna lose.

148 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 7:17:39am

Elizabeth Warren Targets Cruises, iPads in Probe of Finance Perks

The senator has a new target: the biggest sellers of annuities and the diamond-encrusted rings, iPads, stock options and cruises she says they’re using to entice brokers to sell their investments.

bloomberg.com

(snip)

“In the letters, Warren said car leases, National Football League Super Bowl-style rings and other perks are widely known in the industry and appear to be “kickbacks directed at annuity agents and brokers.” Warren’s office is asking the companies to provide by May 11 a list of all incentives offered to middlemen.

“Warren is latching onto incentives in the $235 billion market for annuities to build support for proposed Labor Department regulations that require brokers to act in their retirement clients’ best interest, a standard known as a fiduciary duty. The proposal issued this month is expected to face stiff opposition from Wall Street, Republicans and some Democrats.

“President Barack Obama endorsed Labor’s plan in February, putting new momentum behind the effort to revise rules that affect tens of millions of baby boomers nearing retirement age and workers who don’t have pension plans.” More

149 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 28, 2015 7:19:23am

good morning fellow Lizards. Just got a fitbit charge. If you’ve been thinking of getting one, so far, I recommend it. It’s pretty accurate etc.

150 Lidane  Apr 28, 2015 7:19:25am

re: #147 Dr Lizardo

They’re desperate because they reckon they’re gonna lose.

Their desperation is palpable. They know they don’t have a legitimate argument against gay marriage except EEEEW TEH GHEY and Gay marriage makes the Baby Jesus cry! and that’s not good enough in court.

If SCOTUS rules on the right side of history, it’s going to be fascinating to watch the GOP get sucked into another Jesus freak tent revival primary season. All that big donor money will get flushed down the socon toilet. Again.

151 makeitstop  Apr 28, 2015 7:23:11am

re: #149 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

good morning fellow Lizards. Just got a fitbit charge. If you’ve been thinking of getting one, so far, I recommend it. It’s pretty accurate etc.

My wife uses one and she loves it.

152 Dr Lizardo  Apr 28, 2015 7:24:22am

re: #150 Lidane

Their desperation is palpable. They know they don’t have a legitimate argument against gay marriage except EEEEW TEH GHEY and Gay marriage makes the Baby Jesus cry! and that’s not good enough in court.

If SCOTUS rules on the right side of history, it’s going to be fascinating to watch the GOP get sucked into another Jesus freak tent revival primary season. All that big donor money will get flushed down the socon toilet. Again.

There’s not enough popcorn in the world to accompany that spectacle.

153 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 28, 2015 7:24:33am

re: #151 makeitstop

My wife uses one and she loves it.

I’m thinking of getting the premium setup. It syncs well with My Fitness Pal and was super accurate tracking my sleep last night.

154 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 7:29:20am

live.scotusblog.com

We should be able to get a lot of clues during oral arguments. Wait for Kennedy to ask questions, which he always does. He has been the author of
the last 3 opinions in gay rights cases.

155 darthstar  Apr 28, 2015 7:30:20am

re: #146 Lidane

This is a novel approach:

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Because legalizing gay marriage will make ISIS and Al Qaeda hate us more? WTF.

Well, three hot blondes in a hot tub can be distracting and could cause a drone operator to lose focus on his mission, which is the only reason why the military doesn’t allow streaming of hot homo sex videos in the drone operations center. National security.

156 Dr Lizardo  Apr 28, 2015 7:33:01am

Hmm…….this could be trouble.

Iran has taken a U.S. cargo ship and 34 crew to Bandar Abbas port on the southern coast of Iran, Al Arabiya News Channel has reported on Tuesday.

(developing story)

english.alarabiya.net

157 Lidane  Apr 28, 2015 7:36:33am

Note the logo:

And that’s a tweet from Hillary, since it’s signed.

158 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 7:37:20am
159 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 7:39:02am

Justice Kennedy said he had “a word on his mind .. and that word is millennia”
by Eric Citron 10:35 AMComment

live.scotusblog.com

160 makeitstop  Apr 28, 2015 7:40:24am

re: #159 Justanotherhuman

Justice Kennedy said he had “a word on his mind .. and that word is millennia”
by Eric Citron 10:35 AMComment

live.scotusblog.com

I have no idea how to interpret that.

161 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 7:41:08am

Roberts is really a simpleton:

After Ginsburg’s Q, the Chief Justice went next. The petrs had said they were looking to “join the institution of marriage.” The chief objected that perhaps they were not looking to redefine it, not join it. And he emphasized that he had looked up all the definitions he could find, and it was always a man and a woman
by Eric Citron 10:34 AMComment

162 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 28, 2015 7:41:46am

America seems to disapprove of looting far less than it disapproves of convincing people that they need stuff to be happy and then making sure that they have no way to earn the money needed to buy all that stuff.

163 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 7:42:48am

re: #159 Justanotherhuman

Justice Kennedy said he had “a word on his mind .. and that word is millennia”
by Eric Citron 10:35 AMComment

live.scotusblog.com

He pointed out that the definition of marriage had prevailed for millennia and it seemed a fast change; on the other hand, he noted that the time between Lawrence and this case was about equal to the time between Brown and Loving — this raised the question for him of whether this might all be too fast to redefine such a long standing institution

Not sure I follow Kennedy’s “One the one hand, on the other hand” point here.

164 nearly-headless smith25  Apr 28, 2015 7:42:51am

Also in the news:

Think Progress: RFRA in KY protects business, Judge says.

A Kentucky judge has validated a printing company’s discrimination against an LGBT group under the state’s “Religious Freedom Restoration Act” (RFRA).
The case in question dates back to 2012, when Hands On Originals and its owner, Blaine Adamson, refused to produce T-shirts for the the Gay and Lesbian Services Organization (GLSO), which coordinates the Lexington Pride Festival. GLSO filed a complaint, and the Lexington-Fayette Urban County Human Rights Commission ruled that Hands On Originals (HOO) violated the city’s nondiscrimination order, which protects sexual orientation.
But Kentucky Circuit Court Judge James Ishmael overturned the Commission’s ruling, arguing that it impeded HOO’s freedoms of speech and religion. In terms of speech, Ishmael reasoned that the decision not to print was not because of the sexual orientation of GLSO or its members, but because the Pride Festival advocates “sexual activity outside of a marriage between one man and one woman.” In other words, that message, though inherent to the identity of gay, lesbian, and bisexual people, overrides the right of those people to be protected from discrimination.
Moreover, Ishmael ruled that the Commission’s ruling violates HOO’s protections under Kentucky’s “Religious Freedom Restoration Act” (RFRA), passed in 2013. The law, a simpler version of the more controversial bills introduced recently in Indiana, Arkansas, and other states, states that “government shall not substantially burden a person’s freedom of religion” except under limited circumstances. As Ishmael noted, Kentucky’s definition of “person” includes corporate bodies and other companies, so HOO was entitled to assert a claim under RFRA. “The Commission’s Order substantially burdens HOO’s and its owners’ free exercise of religion,” he wrote, “wherein the government (Commission) punished HOO and its owners by its order for exercising their sincerely held religious beliefs.” Because the shop would have been forced to “print shirts that convey messages contrary to their faith,” the Order “inflicts a substantial burden on their free exercise of religion.”

I’ll be honest, I remember this all as it happened, but I couldn’t tell you what messages were on the shirts that seem to be a big part of the issue. I will say this; Hands On Originals had been a staple of where many small groups ordered T-Shirts in Lexington for years. I have hazy memories of shirts from there with slogans of vague reference to drug and alcohol use, double entendres, and other things the might be questionable for a company with such “sincerely held religious beliefs” Of course, I and pretty sure others can’t remember them in any way referring to themselves as “Christian Outfitters” or anything like that before now.

165 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 7:44:14am

One seemingly striking moment came when Justice Ginsburg spoke of how it was recent changes to the institution of marriage that made it appropriate for gay and lesbian couples — in particular, it becoming an egalitarian institution rather than one dominated by the male partners who determined where and how the couple would live
by Eric Citron 10:39 AMComment

166 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 7:45:25am

re: #161 Justanotherhuman

Roberts is really a simpleton:

After Ginsburg’s Q, the Chief Justice went next. The petrs had said they were looking to “join the institution of marriage.” The chief objected that perhaps they were not looking to redefine it, not join it. And he emphasized that he had looked up all the definitions he could find, and it was always a man and a woman
by Eric Citron 10:34 AMComment

Not sure Citron is getting these quotes right.

167 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 7:46:19am

Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy says during same-sex marriage arguments before the court: ‘I think it is very difficult for this court to know better’ - @Reuters
end of alert

168 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 7:48:11am

re: #166 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Eric has maybe left the bldg.

After Eric left the lounge, there was one interesting exchange between Justice Scalia and two of his more liberal colleagues. Scalia asked whether, if petitioners win, a minister who objects to same sex marriages could refuse to perform a civil same-sex wedding. Bonauto answered yes. Scalia pressed the point though, arguing that he could not understand how a state could permit somebody to hold a license to marry people if that person would not exercise the power consistently with the Constitution. After a little more back-and-forth, Justice Kagan reminded the Court that many rabbis refuse to perform weddings between Jews and gentiles, even though there has long been a prohibition against religious discrimination. Justice Breyer then chimed in and quoted the First Amendment. Ultimately, Justice Scalia seemed satisfied that a minister could refuse to perform those weddings.
by Tejinder 10:46 AMComment

169 Frenchy  Apr 28, 2015 7:52:09am

re: #140 Lidane

When the freakin’ Pope is waaaaaaaaaaaay more Progressive than you, don’t you think a shred of self-awareness would lead to a realization that you have serious problems?

170 darthstar  Apr 28, 2015 7:53:32am

Dear god, they’re threatening to BRUNCH!

171 lawhawk  Apr 28, 2015 7:54:27am
172 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 7:55:02am

re: #171 lawhawk

Brunch has always been defined as one man, one woman.

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173 lawhawk  Apr 28, 2015 7:55:42am

re: #170 darthstar

174 darthstar  Apr 28, 2015 7:56:53am
175 lawhawk  Apr 28, 2015 7:57:30am

I blame Oprah (for inflicting both Dr. Phil and Dr. Oz on an unsuspecting public).

Seriously though, the Baltimore officials stopped running mass transit in the area just about the same time schools let out. Whose idea was it to keep all these folks bottled up, and then let things go out of control.

176 darthstar  Apr 28, 2015 8:00:23am

re: #175 lawhawk

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I blame Oprah (for inflicting both Dr. Phil and Dr. Oz on an unsuspecting public).

Seriously though, the Baltimore officials stopped running mass transit in the area just about the same time schools let out. Whose idea was it to keep all these folks bottled up, and then let things go out of control.

My guess is they were using the Forest Service’s strategy of lighting a backfire.

177 FemNaziBitch  Apr 28, 2015 8:01:56am
Ms Rawlings-Blake has ordered a week-long curfew from 22:00 to 05:00 local time (02:00 GMT to 09:00 GMT) starting on Tuesday. Public schools are to be closed on Tuesday.

National Guard commander Linda Singh said that up to 5,000 troops could be put on the streets.

“We will be out in massive force,” she said, adding that armoured vehicles would be used, but the city would not be under martial law.

Extra police officers are also being drafted in from the Mid-Atlantic region.

This is scary as shit to me.

5000 troops?

178 FemNaziBitch  Apr 28, 2015 8:02:55am

re: #175 lawhawk

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I blame Oprah (for inflicting both Dr. Phil and Dr. Oz on an unsuspecting public).

Seriously though, the Baltimore officials stopped running mass transit in the area just about the same time schools let out. Whose idea was it to keep all these folks bottled up, and then let things go out of control.

Where are the parents?

WTF?

I am so tired of that response.

As if everyone of their children are perfect.

179 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 8:04:15am

Is the argument bifurcated as to the first question and the second? Is full faith and credit reserved for the last half?
by Luck Stroke 10:55 AMComment (2)
Tejinder
Yes, that’s correct. In the first part of the argument, the parties will discuss whether states are required to allow same sex marriages. In the second part, it will discuss whether they must recognize valid same sex marriages from other states.
10:56 AM
Tejinder
I should point out that “full faith and credit” is not the actual basis for the argument for recognition, but it’s a similar idea.
10:58 AM

180 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 8:05:29am

re: #177 FemNaziBitch

This is scary as shit to me.

5000 troops?

Are they going to round up these people, also?

181 lawhawk  Apr 28, 2015 8:05:29am

The Kerner report was commissioned by LBJ and essentially tried to get to the bottom of why the riots in Newark and Detroit occurred.

On the issue of what can be done to prevent it from happening again? We’re just fractionally closer to addressing the underlying problems than we were then. But law enforcement continues to treat the lives of minorities as less than they should, and will use deadly force far more than they should.

When law enforcement can bring in a serial killer, mass murderer, or even a terror suspect without shots fired, but kill unarmed black men for jaywalking, or selling unlicensed cigarettes, or for no specific criminality at all, or for playing with a toy gun, something is seriously wrong.

182 makeitstop  Apr 28, 2015 8:06:10am

re: #177 FemNaziBitch

This is scary as shit to me.

5000 troops?

If 5000 troops on the street is ‘not martial law,’ then what the fuck is?

It’s like everyone involved on the government side is completely tone-deaf to how they’re coming off here.

183 FemNaziBitch  Apr 28, 2015 8:06:13am

re: #159 Justanotherhuman

Justice Kennedy said he had “a word on his mind .. and that word is millennia”
by Eric Citron 10:35 AMComment

live.scotusblog.com

The thing is that the Men of The Church —much like in 1984 —has thoroughly scrubbed history of anything it didn’t think appropriate. There could well have been gay marriage —but It wouldn’t appear anywhere in the archives.

184 Mattand  Apr 28, 2015 8:07:51am

re: #159 Justanotherhuman

Justice Kennedy said he had “a word on his mind .. and that word is millennia”
by Eric Citron 10:35 AMComment

live.scotusblog.com

re: #160 makeitstop

I have no idea how to interpret that.

I can. He’s looking for any excuse to say marriage should only be between opposite sex partners, because that’s the way people in the fucking Biblical Bronze Age did it.

185 FemNaziBitch  Apr 28, 2015 8:08:56am
186 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 8:09:28am

re: #184 Mattand

I can. He’s looking for any excuse to say marriage should only be between opposite sex partners, because that’s the way people in the fucking Biblical Bronze Age did it.

I’ve been really disappointed with Kennedy lately. I really really hope Obama can get another forward thinking minded judge in.

187 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 28, 2015 8:10:16am

We caught part of a protest against SSM on Saturday in DC, during the travels this weekend.

Otherwise it was mostly spent blessedly insulated from the news.

Maybe I will continue that for a few more days.

188 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 8:10:33am

re: #183 FemNaziBitch

Yeah, Kennedy’s search for “millenia” was clarified by his remarks about “marriage” being defined through “history” as between a man and a woman.

So, obviously, he’s not questioning history—at all, and therein lies his weakness as a SC justice—unless he can be swayed by those who do.

189 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 8:10:56am

re: #185 FemNaziBitch

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This! And this is why I get so angry at those who call the protesters and looters “thugs” but never have a word for those who did that to Freddie Gray. How come the police officers who bruise people up aren’t thugs? Oh wait, I know the answer.

190 Mattand  Apr 28, 2015 8:11:30am

re: #184 Mattand

And some of these asswipes are supposed to be the finest legal minds in all of America?

Christ, this is another reason we need another Dem to follow up Obama. Anyone they’d appoint would light years more rational than any GOP SCOTUS nominee.

191 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 28, 2015 8:12:12am

re: #182 makeitstop

If 5000 troops on the street is ‘not martial law,’ then what the fuck is?

It’s like everyone involved on the government side is completely tone-deaf to how they’re coming off here.

and this is different than any other day ending in Y? Caught the opening of TRMS last night and Rachel was rattling off how history keeps repeating itself. Hell the Tulsa sheriff’s office just release video of the guy who was shot by the “reserve” deputy that was completely unrelated to the shooting claiming “the media asked for it” just like what they did in MO with the Michael Brown “robbery”.

Cops and “authority” are completely out of control and as was shown in Ferguson they’re the tools of government to keep people in check, not to protect them.

192 Mattand  Apr 28, 2015 8:12:31am

re: #186 HappyWarrior

I’ve been really disappointed with Kennedy lately. I really really hope Obama can get another forward thinking minded judge in.

Fucking Magic Balance Fairy worshiper in a black robe.

193 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 8:12:55am

I’ll remind those that oppose SSM because marriage is a “sacred institution” that marriage for love is a fairly new intention too. Hell in many cases marriage between non relatives is fairly new. The court ruled in Loving that civil society using religious justification which is what the Virginia judge ruled in Loving before the case made it to the court is unconstitutional.

194 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 8:13:44am

re: #192 Mattand

Fucking Magic Balance Fairy worshiper in a black robe.

I know. We really need a new Warren Court but I think Roberts easily lasts another 20 years as CJ.

195 Zamb  Apr 28, 2015 8:14:45am

re: #182 makeitstop

If 5000 troops on the street is ‘not martial law,’ then what the fuck is?

It’s like everyone involved on the government side is completely tone-deaf to how they’re coming off here.

Martial law is when the white people are subject as well. For black people it’s just called policing.

196 FemNaziBitch  Apr 28, 2015 8:14:57am

Has this been posted:
amp.twimg.com

197 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 8:15:17am
198 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 8:17:16am

re: #197 Justanotherhuman

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Gah.

199 Mattand  Apr 28, 2015 8:17:23am

re: #150 Lidane

Their desperation is palpable. They know they don’t have a legitimate argument against gay marriage except EEEEW TEH GHEY and Gay marriage makes the Baby Jesus cry! and that’s not good enough in court.

If SCOTUS rules on the right side of history, it’s going to be fascinating to watch the GOP get sucked into another Jesus freak tent revival primary season. All that big donor money will get flushed down the socon toilet. Again.

Well, a court populated by judges who don’t think US law starts in the Bible. Which, IMO, is a huge problem with the current SCOTUS; particularly the Three Stooges.

You are right, though. Watching the GOP go even further down the fucking Religious Fanatic rabbit hole would be the second biggest benefit of the court ruling in favor of SSM. The first, or course, being that gay people would finally be allowed the same shot at happiness that straights get.

200 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 28, 2015 8:17:41am

TCOT full of shit like this==>

201 FemNaziBitch  Apr 28, 2015 8:17:42am

re: #195 Zamb

Martial law is when the white people are subject as well. For black people it’s just called policing.

so stole that!!!

202 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 8:18:03am

So, heteros don’t practice anal sex? The usual RW bullshit.

203 ObserverArt  Apr 28, 2015 8:19:03am

re: #183 FemNaziBitch

The thing is that the Men of The Church —much like in 1984 —has thoroughly scrubbed history of anything it didn’t think appropriate. There could well have been gay marriage —but It wouldn’t appear anywhere in the archives.

We discussed the history of homosexuality once before and I made a similar post.

Here is a link to some Greek art that might be NSFW depending on prying eyes.

Google Search Resluts - Homosexuality in Greek Art

I do not know Greek social history and if there was even marriage among the opposite genders, but I now wonder if the early Greeks did have it if they had marriage unions.

204 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 8:19:28am

re: #200 Lord Of The Pies

TCOT full of shit like this==>

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Terrorists?!?! Yeah because I am sure Mr. Rods and Guitars called the Bundy assholes who actually threatened law enforcement with guns that. But I get it, they’re only thugs and terrorists if they’re black. Fucking tired of the right’s bigoted bullshit.

205 FemNaziBitch  Apr 28, 2015 8:20:18am

He can show them how to go bankrupt …

206 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 8:20:47am

re: #205 FemNaziBitch

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He can show them how to go bankrupt …

or how not to comb your hair.

207 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 8:22:51am

re: #200 Lord Of The Pies

TCOT full of shit like this==>

These seem like nice, reasonable people.

208 danarchy  Apr 28, 2015 8:22:51am

re: #182 makeitstop

If 5000 troops on the street is ‘not martial law,’ then what the fuck is?

It’s like everyone involved on the government side is completely tone-deaf to how they’re coming off here.

Well technically it is only martial law if the military authorities have assumed control and the civil authorities no longer have any say. As long as the Mayor and governor are still calling the shots it is technically not martial law.

209 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 8:23:15am

I’d like to ask those who think looters should be shot on sight what they think the Boston Tea Party was.

210 FemNaziBitch  Apr 28, 2015 8:23:39am

Powerful video interview of Crips & Bloods disputing the claims of the Baltimore Police

…

I’m late to this series of threads —sorry if I repost anything already seen.

211 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 8:23:45am

My agency’s headquarters are in Baltimore, and they’re dismissing early in staggered shifts. FWIW

212 makeitstop  Apr 28, 2015 8:24:38am

re: #208 danarchy

Well technically it is only martial law if the military authorities have assumed control and the civil authorities no longer have any say. As long as the Mayor and governor are still calling the shots it is technically not martial law.

Technically, you’re right.

Sure isn’t going to be a lot of visible difference on the ground, though.

213 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 8:26:59am

re: #203 ObserverArt

We discussed the history of homosexuality once before and I made a similar post.

Here is a link to some Greek art that might be NSFW depending on prying eyes.

Google Search Resluts - Homosexuality in Greek Art

I do not know Greek social history and if there was even marriage among the opposite genders, but I now wonder if the early Greeks did have it if they had marriage unions.

From what I’ve read, it was a matter of the Greek upper class being “mentors” to young boys coming in to what we term puberty now. Most married and had a “boy” on the side, who was taught the “masculine arts” (including sex). It appeared to be more of a practical arrangement in which the youngster was taught his privileges as a man, although I don’t know if this interpretation is correct or not.

214 FemNaziBitch  Apr 28, 2015 8:27:36am

re: #212 makeitstop

Technically, you’re right.

Sure isn’t going to be a lot of visible difference on the ground, though.

Troops in camo and fully-automatic weapons walking around?

Yeah, I’d say that is a pretty clear message.

Adama again:
…

215 Lidane  Apr 28, 2015 8:27:54am
216 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 8:28:19am

Well they canceled the baseball game already tonight.

217 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 28, 2015 8:30:09am

re: #188 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, Kennedy’s search for “millenia” was clarified by his remarks about “marriage” being defined through “history” as between a man and a woman.

So, obviously, he’s not questioning history—at all, and therein lies his weakness as a SC justice—unless he can be swayed by those who do.

The earth was largely underpopulated in those bygone millennia to which Kennedy alludes. A close reading of ancient history reveals towns and cities that had been depopulated by plague or warfare offering free houses, farms and even bounties to immigrants. That same reading reveals kings who conquered various groups of people with the stated intention of resettling them in their territory. It was all about building population back then. It isn’t about that now. Would Justice Kennedy approve of bleeding as a cure because that’s how they did it in the old days?

218 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 28, 2015 8:31:11am

re: #213 Justanotherhuman

From what I’ve read, it was a matter of the Greek upper class being “mentors” to young boys coming in to what we term puberty now. Most married and had a “boy” on the side, who was taught the “masculine arts” (including sex). It appeared to be more of a practical arrangement in which the youngster was taught his privileges as a man, although I don’t know if this interpretation is correct or not.

Our contemporary concept of homosexuality as a black/white, either/or things is fairly recent, even the term is a recent one. There was a time when it was seen as unhealthy for men to go too long without sex, and turning to other men in need or desperation was not really frowned on.

The Greeks, however, did see it as part of one’s civic duties to sire soldiers to defend the Republic, and anyone who shirked his duties at that because he was into boys exclusively was in violation of the law.

219 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 8:33:03am

If ancient Greece is to be our norm I’m not confident of our future.

220 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 8:33:52am

Hasn’t Kennedy already sided against the traditional argument on SSM before (the prop 8 ruling, etc)?

221 FemNaziBitch  Apr 28, 2015 8:34:22am

If one sees sex as nothing but a vice (unless specifically trying to conceive a child) cannot see homosexual love as something that is real.

Some people can’t get-off unless they think they are doing something evil.

Some activities are more evil than others, I guess.

222 FemNaziBitch  Apr 28, 2015 8:35:56am

And why does there have to be precedent?

Who cares if there was ever a definition of marriage that include two of the same sex?

223 Lidane  Apr 28, 2015 8:36:48am

Desperate bigots are desperate:

224 Eventual Carrion  Apr 28, 2015 8:37:02am

re: #177 FemNaziBitch

This is scary as shit to me.

5000 troops?

So where are those white, crazy people that were at that Jade Helm 15 meeting? Should they not be in Baltimore speaking against this militarization?

225 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 8:38:04am

If court decides what? If it decides against SSM, you can bet your boots there will be more debate.

If court decides, said Roberts “there will be no more debate” on same-sex marriage, which “can close minds.” #SCOTUS

— Ryan J. Reilly (@ryanjreilly) April 28, 2015

I told you Roberts is a simpleton.

226 Dr Lizardo  Apr 28, 2015 8:38:54am

re: #223 Lidane

Desperate bigots are desperate:

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They’re salivating for their martyr cookies.

227 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 8:40:37am

re: #221 FemNaziBitch

Sex, even between heteros, is that dirty, forbidden thing that twists the minds of those people.

228 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 8:40:38am

re: #223 Lidane

Desperate bigots are desperate:

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They’re such whiners. Really, I’d like them to tell me how Christianity has been outlawed in Canada because of SSM. Oh wait, they can’t because they’re hysterical cry babies who cry on TV about LGBT people having the same rights of them to get more money from the gullible poor fools that watch them.

230 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 8:42:03am

re: #225 Justanotherhuman

If court decides what? If it decides against SSM, you can bet your boots there will be more debate.

If court decides, said Roberts “there will be no more debate” on same-sex marriage, which “can close minds.” #SCOTUS

— Ryan J. Reilly (@ryanjreilly) April 28, 2015

I told you Roberts is a simpleton.

I really hope a Democratic president gets to choose the next Chief Justice. Hasn’t happened in a very long time. Because there’s no way a Republican will pick an Earl Warren type these days.

231 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 8:43:42am

re: #228 HappyWarrior

They’re such whiners. Really, I’d like them to tell me how Christianity has been outlawed in Canada because of SSM. Oh wait, they can’t because they’re hysterical cry babies who cry on TV about LGBT people having the same rights of them to get more money from the gullible poor fools that watch them.

They’re whiners because their lives are based exclusively on pie-in-the-sky, magical thinking. Their feet never touch the ground and then they wonder why their “perfect lives” fall apart after the illusions wear off. So, they must continually keep repeating the cant, over and over.

232 FemNaziBitch  Apr 28, 2015 8:43:46am
233 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 8:44:34am

re: #224 Eventual Carrion

So where are those white, crazy people that were at that Jade Helm 15 meeting? Should they not be in Baltimore speaking against this militarization?

Baltimore is a distraction and diversion from Jade Helm 15.

Also ISIS coming over Mexican border.

/

234 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 8:44:42am

re: #230 HappyWarrior

I really hope a Democratic president gets to choose the next Chief Justice. Hasn’t happened in a very long time. Because there’s no way a Republican will pick an Earl Warren type these days.

I think Roberts is set for life, unless he retires.

235 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 8:45:43am

re: #234 Justanotherhuman

I think Roberts is set for life, unless he retires.

That’s why I said the next one. Roberts is here for the long run. I think either for the rest of his life which I think easily could be another 20 years. That’s not to say I wish harm on him but I really do hope a Democrat chooses his successor.

236 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 8:46:34am

It seems to me that the R chief justices get worse. Burger was worse than Warren, Rehnquist worse than Burger, and arguably Roberts is worse than Rehnquist. At least Dubya didn’t promote Scalia to CJ or made Alito CJ yikes.

237 Eventual Carrion  Apr 28, 2015 8:48:47am

re: #178 FemNaziBitch

Where are the parents?

WTF?

I am so tired of that response.

As if everyone of their children are perfect.

They were with Jeb’s daughter stealing and popping pills.

238 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 8:48:49am

re: #223 Lidane

Janet Porter is prepared to “go to jail” disobeying Supreme Court marriage decision

Somebody arrest me please I need my martyr badge!

“What do you want to be arrested for?”

Being politically incorrect and being a truth-telling Christian whose faith has been outlawed!

“But those aren’t crimes”

Yes they are take me away!!!!1

239 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 8:50:50am

re: #223 Lidane

Concerned Women for America: SCOTUS gay marriage ruling will lead to persecution of Christians, outlaw faith

Concerned women for American very concerned.

240 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 28, 2015 8:50:54am

re: #238 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Somebody arrest me please I need my martyr badge!

“What do you want to be arrested for?”

Being politically incorrect and being a truth-telling Christian whose faith has been outlawed!

“But those aren’t crimes”

Yes they are take me away!!!!1

They throw similar conniptions fits when they are called out for racism, bigotry, homophobia or misogyny. They act as if we are trying to silence them or throw them in jail, we are just asking them to own their words and accept the economic and social consequences.

241 Varek Raith  Apr 28, 2015 8:51:12am

My head, it hurts.

242 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 8:51:31am

re: #238 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Somebody arrest me please I need my martyr badge!

“What do you want to be arrested for?”

Being politically incorrect and being a truth-telling Christian whose faith has been outlawed!

“But those aren’t crimes”

Yes they are take me away!!!!1

I wish a real victim of real religious persecution could talk to these people especially say a Holocaust survivor so they would get to see straight out how pathetic and assholish of them it is to liken bigots opposing SSM marriage to victims of the Nazis. Really find a little old Jewish lady who lost everyone in her family to the Nazis and have them talk to Pat, Bryan, or any of these assholes who thinks same sex marriage being constitutional is analogous to what the Nazis did and see if they’re still showing that utter disrespect to Holocaust victims after that conversation.

243 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 8:52:23am

re: #239 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Concerned women for American very concerned.

They were concerned one time that Ellen Degeneres was too nice and that was ruining their anti gay propaganda. SHE’S NOT A TOTAL MENTAL MESS, OUR ANTI GAY AGITATION IS RUINED NOW!

244 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 28, 2015 8:53:16am

Dana takes a break in her busy day of grifting for homophobic bigots==>

245 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 8:53:45am

re: #240 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

They throw similar conniptions fits when they are called out for racism, bigotry, homophobia or misogyny. They act as if we are trying to silence them or throw them in jail, we are just asking them to own their words and accept the economic and social consequences.

These are people who seriously think being called a bigot is the same as Kristallnacht. They love to talk about how they love the Jewish people but they continue to show no respect at all for what the Jewish people have gone through for generations when they liken being called a bigot which make no mistake they certainly are to genocide and pogroms.

246 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 8:55:03am

re: #244 Lord Of The Pies

Dana takes a break in her busy day of grifting for homophobic bigots==>

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Like she actually gives a shit about that shopkeeper. This is just her way of attacking every protester. Say Dana, what about Freddie Gray? What are your words for the cops that killed him? Oh wait, you save your nastiness only for black people you gun fucking psychopath.

247 Varek Raith  Apr 28, 2015 8:56:57am

re: #246 HappyWarrior

Like she actually gives a shit about that shopkeeper. This is just her way of attacking every protester. Say Dana, what about Freddie Gray? What are your words for the cops that killed him? Oh wait, you save your nastiness only for black people you gun fucking psychopath.

Fuck the cops that killed him.
And fuck those who burned down that unfinished senior living center.
And those who beat this shop keeper.
WTF.

248 A Cranky One  Apr 28, 2015 8:57:40am

Raw Story has a little blurb about Upchuck. Just a few words and a couple of tweets by the floor defiler. RS

249 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 8:57:50am

Roberts just turned 60 in Jan. He was brought in from the outside specifically because of his age by GWB. It’s not known if he has a history of epilepsy because Justices are not required to reveal their health history, but it appears he had 2 publicized seizures, one in 2007 in which he fell, sustaining injuries. According to his neurologist, there is no “cause for concern”, but he has limited his driving.

Originally, when Sandra Day O’Connor announced her retirement, he was supposed to have filled her seat, but Renquist died, so GWB took that opportunity to elevate him to CJ.

250 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 28, 2015 8:58:22am

“Scary” ==> Fined for breaking the law
“Horrific” ==> Gofundme shut down their griftathon because they were raising money to pay a fine they incurred by breaking the law

251 Varek Raith  Apr 28, 2015 8:58:24am

Lol.
Obama Phones.

252 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 8:58:32am

The Nazis aren’t some punch line for some evangelical asshole to use every time an evangelical Christian acts like a bigoted jackass and someone calls him out on it. The Nazis were a real evil. Their actions resulted in the deaths of millions of people. Whole generations were wiped out. Whole villages destroy. You? You’re in America butt hurt because you’re being called out for the homophobic religious bigot you are. You’re nothing like a victim of the Nazis. Hell I would even go as far to suggest that you’re even more like the Nazis but I won’t insult the victims of Nazism by likening you to them because unlike you I have actually compassion for what the people of Europe went through from 1933-1945.

253 Eventual Carrion  Apr 28, 2015 8:58:37am

re: #208 danarchy

Well technically it is only martial law if the military authorities have assumed control and the civil authorities no longer have any say. As long as the Mayor and governor are still calling the shots it is technically not martial law.

It just looks and quacks like it.

254 FemNaziBitch  Apr 28, 2015 8:59:47am

re: #253 Eventual Carrion

It just looks and quacks like it.

de jure vs de facto

255 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 9:00:04am

re: #250 Lord Of The Pies

“Scary” ==> Fined for breaking the law
“Horrific” ==> Gofundme shut down their griftathon because they were raising money to pay a fine they incurred by breaking the law

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Oh no, we have to bake cakes for everyone. Yeah how horrible. Here’s a hint assholes. Don’t open a business if you specifically intent to discriminate against people.

256 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Apr 28, 2015 9:00:31am

I wonder how many US soldiers patrolled the streets of Fallujah.

257 Varek Raith  Apr 28, 2015 9:00:36am

Sheesh, why am I in such a foul mood?
I blame Bush.

258 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 9:02:02am

I swear Evangelical Christians are the biggest whiners in the country. Really they talk about how their faith is “strong” but they can’t handle the fact that gay couples will enjoy the same rights in marriage as they do without resorting to comparing gay marriage to Nazism and calling gay people demonic? You treat people how you want to be treated. Ergo you call my gay friends who want to get married demons and likened them wanting to get married to the horrors of Nazism, I am going to call you a bigoted piece of shit hiding behind religion.

259 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 28, 2015 9:02:33am

re: #255 HappyWarrior

Oh no, we have to bake cakes for everyone. Yeah how horrible. Here’s a hint assholes. Don’t open a business if you specifically intent to discriminate against people.

Cake Bigot said:

“I love everybody, and I would do anything for anybody… I would give the shirt off my back for anybody,” she said. “I wish I could be able to sit down and have everybody get to know me and have a cup of coffee and chat. We’re not hateful people at all.”

Why don’t you sit down and have a cup of coffee and get to know and give the shirt off your back for the person you refused to bake a cake for?

This is not difficult.

260 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 9:05:33am

re: #259 Lord Of The Pies

Cake Bigot said:

Why don’t you sit down and have a cup of coffee and get to know and give the shirt off your back for the person you refused to bake a cake for?

This is not difficult.

If she wasn’t hateful, she wouldn’t refuse to bake a cake for a gay couple. Really, it sounds simple but it really is true. Don’t want to be called a bigot? Don’t act like one.

261 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 28, 2015 9:06:18am

re: #185 FemNaziBitch

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262 A Cranky One  Apr 28, 2015 9:06:46am

re: #187 klys (maker of Silmarils)

How did your trip go? I take it you survived the flight and the meeting of the in-laws. Hope it went well.

263 makeitstop  Apr 28, 2015 9:06:59am

re: #257 Varek Raith

Sheesh, why am I in such a foul mood?
I blame Bush.

I logged on to Facebook this morning to read someone calling for summary execution of rioters, before I’d even finished my first cup of coffee.

That didn’t do too much for my mood, I’ll tell ya.

264 FemNaziBitch  Apr 28, 2015 9:07:49am

bbl

265 Varek Raith  Apr 28, 2015 9:08:08am

re: #263 makeitstop

I logged on to Facebook this morning to read someone calling for summary execution of rioters, before I’d even finished my first cup of coffee.

That didn’t do too much for my mood, I’ll tell ya.

That’ll do it.
Yeesh. Facebook.
:/

266 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 28, 2015 9:09:21am

WHUT==>

267 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 9:09:39am

re: #265 Varek Raith

The perfect reason I don’t use FB or Twitter.

I’d be a rage every fucking day.

268 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 9:10:57am

re: #266 Lord Of The Pies

WHUT==>

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Uh Rodney King riots happened when H.W Bush was president and when Pete Wilson was governor of California. Yeah kiss my liberal ass, right wign prick.

269 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 28, 2015 9:11:33am

Oh look at this “POORS SUCK!!!” from a Christiany Christian Blog for Christ==>

270 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 9:12:24am

For people in Black neighborhoods in Baltimore, this is an ongoing thing.

US consumer confidence falls to lowest level in 4 months, deflated by hiring slowdown - @AP
read more on bigstory.ap.org

271 meteor  Apr 28, 2015 9:13:09am

re: #53 Kragar

Oh my goodness, the dumbest person in history.

272 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 9:14:51am
273 Eventual Carrion  Apr 28, 2015 9:15:29am

re: #266 Lord Of The Pies

WHUT==>

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I can see this person researches as well as many RWNJ bloggers. Just say it, even if it isn’t true. I guess my question to her would be, “How many Americans died in terrorist attacks under Reagan, under Bush?” See if her history is selective there also, as our 2 biggest (in loss of life) happened under those two giants of national security.

274 Lidane  Apr 28, 2015 9:15:41am

re: #266 Lord Of The Pies

That’s almost as stupid as this Fox bimbo from yesterday:

275 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Apr 28, 2015 9:15:48am

re: #269 Lord Of The Pies

If all these people were going to be replaced by robots, don’t you think that would have already happened?

276 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 9:16:28am
277 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 28, 2015 9:17:24am

re: #275 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

If all these people were going to be replaced by robots, don’t you think that would have already happened?

You could replace the entire TCOT Twitter feed with a bunch of automatic fake-quote posting bots and nobody would know the difference.

278 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Apr 28, 2015 9:17:29am

re: #256 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

The coalition used about 13,000 in the offensive to retake Fallujah.

279 Justanotherhuman  Apr 28, 2015 9:18:14am

BBL.

280 Targetpractice  Apr 28, 2015 9:21:58am

re: #266 Lord Of The Pies

WHUT==>

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Yeah, we all remember the “real leadership” in NOLA after Katrina, don’t we?

281 blueraven  Apr 28, 2015 9:23:43am

re: #274 Lidane

That’s almost as stupid as this Fox bimbo from yesterday:

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Jeb BUSH 2016!!

282 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 28, 2015 9:23:59am
283 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 9:24:03am

re: #276 Justanotherhuman

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Not the military budget.//

284 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 28, 2015 9:24:13am

Yet the Reagan-worshippers don’t think this could apply to police officers breaking an innocent man’s neck, or choking a man to death, or tasing a shackled woman to death, or shooting a 12-year-old in a public park, or gunning down a teenager walking in the middle of the street…etc…etc…

285 sagehen  Apr 28, 2015 9:28:30am

re: #236 HappyWarrior

It seems to me that the R chief justices get worse. Burger was worse than Warren, Rehnquist worse than Burger, and arguably Roberts is worse than Rehnquist. At least Dubya didn’t promote Scalia to CJ or made Alito CJ yikes.

Many of us believe Earl Warren was Eisenhower’s greatest achievement; Eisenhower later said Earl Warren was his greatest regret.

286 Targetpractice  Apr 28, 2015 9:29:09am

Also, anyone who says there were no riots under Reagan is lying their ass off.

287 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 28, 2015 9:29:30am
288 Targetpractice  Apr 28, 2015 9:31:05am

re: #287 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Lot of rich guys who might like that…so long as they can also get the Biblical definition of divorce as well so that their wives can’t walk off with their wealth.

289 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 28, 2015 9:31:26am
290 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 28, 2015 9:31:49am

So, anyone here eat Bumble Bee tuna?

291 Targetpractice  Apr 28, 2015 9:32:39am

re: #290 Lord Of The Pies

So, anyone here eat Bumble Bee tuna?

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I thought that last can of tuna tasted fishy.

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292 Varek Raith  Apr 28, 2015 9:34:27am

re: #290 Lord Of The Pies

So, anyone here eat Bumble Bee tuna?

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…
Wow.

293 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 9:34:47am

re: #285 sagehen

Many of us believe Earl Warren was Eisenhower’s greatest achievement; Eisenhower later said Earl Warren was his greatest regret.

The more I learn about Warren, the more I consider him one of the unsung heroes of the 60’s and 50’s.

294 Dave In Austin  Apr 28, 2015 9:35:46am

re: #291 Targetpractice

I thought that last can of tuna tasted fishy.

//

I thought that last can of tuna tasted like chicken…

295 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 9:36:06am

re: #284 Lord Of The Pies

Yet the Reagan-worshippers don’t think this could apply to police officers breaking an innocent man’s neck, or choking a man to death, or tasing a shackled woman to death, or shooting a 12-year-old in a public park, or gunning down a teenager walking in the middle of the street…etc…etc…

When is the next Operation American Spring planning meeting?

/

296 Dr. Matt  Apr 28, 2015 9:37:46am

A couple hundred plus down-dings in such a short pan……pretty impressive assholery:

297 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 9:39:45am

re: #295 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

When is the next Operation American Spring planning meeting?

/

I had actually forgotten about that.

298 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 9:41:12am

re: #297 HappyWarrior

I had actually forgotten about that.

Violence and rioting is not the answer…When will someone arrest Obama and Biden and Hillary and Holder and Valerie Jarrett for treasons unconstitutionality and restore America?

/

299 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 28, 2015 9:41:56am

re: #290 Lord Of The Pies

So, anyone here eat Bumble Bee tuna?

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Used to be one of the 2 or 3 brand loyalties I’ve ever had—it was head and shoulders above all the other brands. Then suddenly, about 30 years ago, it went completely to hell. I don’t know why. (With Hills Bros. coffee I know why: they were bought out by Nestlé.)

300 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 9:42:28am

re: #298 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Violence and rioting is not the answer…When will someone arrest Obama and Biden and Hillary and Holder and Valerie Jarrett for treasons unconstitutionality and restore America?

/

We came unarmed this time. /// I need an AR-15 to protect myself against tyranny,… Yeah fuck the right’s hypocritical bs.

301 nearly-headless smith25  Apr 28, 2015 9:43:11am

re: #293 HappyWarrior

The more I learn about Warren, the more I consider him one of the unsung heroes of the 60’s and 50’s.

I include Earl Warren in my curriculum of Civil Rights Leaders in the United States.

302 danarchy  Apr 28, 2015 9:43:42am

re: #290 Lord Of The Pies

So, anyone here eat Bumble Bee tuna?

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I’ve always been more of Chicken of the Sea guy…although this may put me off tuna for a while anyhow…

303 Tigger2  Apr 28, 2015 9:44:06am

re: #290 Lord Of The Pies

So, anyone here eat Bumble Bee tuna?

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Not anymore. haha

304 Zamb  Apr 28, 2015 9:45:48am

re: #300 HappyWarrior

We came unarmed this time. /// I need an AR-15 to protect myself against tyranny,… Yeah fuck the right’s hypocritical bs.

I think they lost any credibility on their calls for non-violence when they started calling for shooting people in the streets. They don’t give a shit about peace, they just hate these people. Same way they treat foreign policy, unless you give in to all my demands and surrender completely to my authority we’re gonna fuck you up.

305 makeitstop  Apr 28, 2015 9:45:53am

re: #296 Dr. Matt

A couple hundred plus down-dings in such a short pan……pretty impressive assholery:

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Yeah, well, he flounced last night, with an assist from Charles.

He’d become nothing more than a troll anyway. Has he signed up over at the Stalker blog yet?

306 Dr. Matt  Apr 28, 2015 9:46:45am

re: #305 makeitstop

Yeah, well, he flounced last night, with an assist from Charles.

He’d become nothing more than a troll anyway. Has he signed up over at the Stalker blog yet?

They will welcome it with open arms.

307 Great White Snark  Apr 28, 2015 9:46:57am

So thought I had the flu, but got to Urgent care as things got worse. Pneumonia. Lost 12 lb in a couple days. Damn this got bad fast. they told me flat out if the zithromax does not kick this thing back it’s ER for me. Weak as a kitten. Kitten? Could totally kick my butt right now.

308 A Cranky One  Apr 28, 2015 9:50:19am

re: #307 Great White Snark

Best wishes for improved health.

309 Dave In Austin  Apr 28, 2015 9:50:41am

re: #307 Great White Snark

Please take care and listen to the professionals. That crap is nothing to mess with.

310 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 28, 2015 9:51:38am

re: #305 makeitstop

Yeah, well, he flounced last night, with an assist from Charles.

He’d become nothing more than a troll anyway. Has he signed up over at the Stalker blog yet?

Was fascinating to watch some negative karma folks stop by later to give him some updings (and downding some other folks).

311 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 28, 2015 9:51:49am

re: #290 Lord Of The Pies

So, anyone here eat Bumble Bee tuna?

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Kirkland from Costco.

312 Varek Raith  Apr 28, 2015 9:52:23am

re: #305 makeitstop

Yeah, well, he flounced last night, with an assist from Charles.

He’d become nothing more than a troll anyway. Has he signed up over at the Stalker blog yet?

Long-ass flounce was long.

313 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 28, 2015 9:53:13am

You know all those wingnuts who were shrieking WEAR IS TEH POTUS WHILE THIS RIOTS IN BALTIMORE IS GOING ON!!!!!!

314 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 28, 2015 9:53:36am

Well, I missed all the excitement yesterday and didn’t want to comment till I’d caught up, but that took a looong time.

I just don’t understand the cop-worship in this country. I’m an extremely white guy who grew up in what was then an almost completely white suburb, before the militarization of the police. I’ve never thought of cops as anything but the enemy.

I’ve had people ask me after one or two incidents: “Why didn’t you call the cops?” I was completely baffled by this question. “I already had trouble enough—why would I call the fucking cops?”

I’ve always thought of them as the bullies I grew up with, only now with guns. I can’t have any of them anywhere near me. If I’m driving and see a cop car, I take the next turn and go around the block to let them get out of sight—and as I said, I’m one of the demographic that has the least to fear from them.

It says a lot about the basic humanity of black people in America that they haven’t burned the whole fucking place down long before now. Anybody who can look at what’s been going on—the very small percentage of it that we even know about—and blame the victims for inflicting a little property damage is a waste of skin.

315 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 28, 2015 9:54:30am

STUPIDEST TWEET OF THE DAY, LUNCHTIME EDITION==>

316 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 28, 2015 9:56:51am

Stay classy, “Conservative Christian”==>

317 Great White Snark  Apr 28, 2015 9:57:14am

re: #308 A Cranky One

re: #309 Dave In Austin

Thanks, kudos to the two docs that came in to examine the xray and listen not just to my lungs but to me. They had me on this albuterol vaporizer thing, a bubbler some call it. Long plastic exhale tube on it. When a nurses came in to check on it’s progress I asked for a peanut, given my temporary elephantine profile.

318 ObserverArt  Apr 28, 2015 9:57:26am

re: #247 Varek Raith

Fuck the cops that killed him.
And fuck those who burned down that unfinished senior living center.
And those who beat this shop keeper.
WTF.

Has the unfinished senior center been confirmed being caused by rioters? It was unclear last I heard.

319 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 9:57:28am

re: #301 nearly-headless smith25

I include Earl Warren in my curriculum of Civil Rights Leaders in the United States.

That’s great. One of the things that fascinates me about him is how he went from as governor of California interning the Japanese-Americans to the writer of the decision in Brown and many other cases. Eisenhower shouldn’t have regretted Warren at all. Should have regretted Nixon.

320 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 28, 2015 9:57:33am

re: #307 Great White Snark

So thought I had the flu, but got to Urgent care as things got worse. Pneumonia. Lost 12 lb in a couple days. Damn this got bad fast. they told me flat out if the zithromax does not kick this thing back it’s ER for me. Weak as a kitten. Kitten? Could totally kick my butt right now.

Take care of yourself! I’ll keep you in my thoughts.

Doc offered me a shot of pneumonia vaccine when I saw him for a physical early this year. Hell yes, I took the shot. Lost one the best Chiefs I ever had in the Navy to that bugger.

321 Eventual Carrion  Apr 28, 2015 9:57:57am

re: #290 Lord Of The Pies

So, anyone here eat Bumble Bee tuna?

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I thought that last sandwich tasted a little soylent.

322 Dr Lizardo  Apr 28, 2015 9:58:42am

re: #307 Great White Snark

Yeesh, take care and get well soon. Pneumonia is no laughing matter.

323 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 9:59:25am

re: #313 Lord Of The Pies

I hear Martial Law in between the lines.

It’s all about persecutin’ the good patriot Americans Christians who are taxed enough already.

/

324 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 28, 2015 9:59:31am

THERE WAS CRIME THEN TOO, DIPSHIT

325 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 28, 2015 10:00:11am

re: #324 Lord Of The Pies

THERE WAS CRIME THEN TOO, DIPSHIT

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And there were riots back then, too.

326 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 28, 2015 10:00:37am

re: #324 Lord Of The Pies

Anyone sufficiently ignorant to ask that question is too ignorant to understand the answers.

327 missliberties  Apr 28, 2015 10:01:09am

re: #314 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

“It says a lot about the basic humanity of black people in America that they haven’t burned the whole fucking place down long before now.”

What gets me is while no one was looking so many cities have been infected with systemic excuses for violence from the police. Just say your were afraid for you life, file that in the paper work, and off you go.

Then folks wonder why the powder key suddenly blows up. I thought we were past this. *sigh*

328 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 28, 2015 10:01:16am

OBAMA PHONES!!11!!

329 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 10:01:20am

re: #325 Backwoods_Sleuth

And there were riots back then, too.

Most of them directed at African Americans. And they didn’t just do property damage.

330 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 10:01:46am

re: #324 Lord Of The Pies

THERE WAS CRIME THEN TOO, DIPSHIT

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Yeah. Idiot.

331 Eventual Carrion  Apr 28, 2015 10:02:14am

re: #313 Lord Of The Pies

You know all those wingnuts who were shrieking WEAR IS TEH POTUS WHILE THIS RIOTS IN BALTIMORE IS GOING ON!!!!!!

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Ooohhh.. Obama just called looters “thugs.”

The looters, yes. The protesters, no. Matt should learn the difference.

332 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 10:02:15am

re: #328 Backwoods_Sleuth

OBAMA PHONES!!11!!

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Maybe your mommy should take away your internet privileges Chucky.

333 ObserverArt  Apr 28, 2015 10:02:42am

re: #267 Justanotherhuman

The perfect reason I don’t use FB or Twitter.

I’d be a rage every fucking day.

Heh. I banned myself before they could ban me!

I know exactly how you feel. Plus, I don’t have a lot of desks.

334 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 10:03:13am

re: #331 Eventual Carrion

The looters, yes. The protesters, no. Matt should learn the difference.

To wingers like Matt, there is o difference.

335 Lidane  Apr 28, 2015 10:03:14am

*facepalm*

I sincerely hope that Roberts was bullshitting here. That’s almost the exact same arguments that were made about Jim Crow and interracial marriage. “Well, if some states have interracial marriage or let blacks into school, it’s a matter of time before the rest have to accept them.”

336 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 28, 2015 10:03:22am

He’s smarter than you, dipshit, who claimed there was “no crime” before 1951

337 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 10:03:38am

re: #328 Backwoods_Sleuth

OBAMA PHONES!!11!!

OK. And how do you propose to “take away the phones”, Mr. CCJ?

338 makeitstop  Apr 28, 2015 10:04:32am

re: #318 ObserverArt

Has the unfinished senior center been confirmed being caused by rioters? It was unclear last I heard.

I thought there was a definitive ‘no’ from a police spokesman last night. It was on one of last night’s threads.

339 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 28, 2015 10:05:05am
340 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 10:05:24am

re: #336 Lord Of The Pies

He’s smarter than you, dipshit, who claimed there was “no crime” before 1951

Why doesn’t Obama say something about riots and thugs?

Obama says something about riots and “thugs”.

Hurr hurr why does Obama have to speech everyday and make himself the narcistist?

341 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 28, 2015 10:05:26am

Dana brags about how poor she was growing up. Did you wear bread bags on your feet like Joni Ernst?

342 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 10:05:36am

re: #335 Lidane

*facepalm*

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I sincerely hope that Roberts was bullshitting here. That’s almost the exact same arguments that were made about Jim Crow and interracial marriage. “Well, if some states have interracial marriage or let blacks into school, it’s a matter of time before the rest have to accept them.”

This is exactly why he’s not a good judge.

343 ObserverArt  Apr 28, 2015 10:06:02am

re: #274 Lidane

That’s almost as stupid as this Fox bimbo from yesterday:

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Since Stacie Dash was an ‘actress’ is she saying this for reals or is it another acting job for a check?

I’d refer to her as an airhead, but I don’t want to disrespect air.

/

344 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 10:06:17am

re: #341 Lord Of The Pies

Dana brags about how poor she was growing up. Did you wear bread bags on your feet like Joni Ernst?

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I don’t believe a word she says about her childhood.

345 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 10:06:38am

re: #341 Lord Of The Pies

Dana brags about how poor she was growing up. Did you wear bread bags on your feet like Joni Ernst?

Walked to school barefoot, uphill, both ways, in the snow, without a gunz.

346 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 10:06:53am

re: #345 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Walked to school barefoot, uphill, both ways, in the snow, without a gunz.

25 miles.

347 ObserverArt  Apr 28, 2015 10:07:28am

re: #277 Lord Of The Pies

You could replace the entire TCOT Twitter feed with a bunch of automatic fake-quote posting bots and nobody would know the difference.

Free the parrots!!!

348 sagehen  Apr 28, 2015 10:07:32am

re: #319 HappyWarrior

That’s great. One of the things that fascinates me about him is how he went from as governor of California interning the Japanese-Americans to the writer of the decision in Brown and many other cases. Eisenhower shouldn’t have regretted Warren at all. Should have regretted Nixon.

He didnt just write the Brown decision; he did some heavy arm-twisting to ensure that it would be 9-0. It wasn’t enough for him that it would be a win — he wanted a very clear, unanimous, GODDAMN IT WE MEAN IT! vibe.

Then he pressed Ike to vigorously enforce it; that the authority of the entire justice system and all the courts in the land was at stake if Arkansas could ignore a unanimous SCOTSU decision.

349 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 28, 2015 10:07:32am

HURR HURR U HAS FRIDGE?? INTERNETS?? SHUTS UP MOOCHER.

350 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 10:07:42am

Oh and the minimum wage was higher when Dana was younger too so Dana like Marsha Blackburn shot her argument in the foot (no pun intended due to Dana’s love of gun fucking).

351 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 10:08:33am

re: #349 Lord Of The Pies

HURR HURR U HAS FRIDGE?? INTERNETS?? SHUTS UP MOOCHER.

You know who I bet intimately knows the experience of poor African Americans in urban cities? Dana Loesch and Rush Limbaugh.

///

352 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 28, 2015 10:08:46am

I don’t believe Dana didn’t party. That’s just bullshit.

353 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 10:09:06am

re: #348 sagehen

He didnt just write the Brown decision; he did some heavy arm-twisting to ensure that it would be 9-0. It wasn’t enough for him that it would be a win — he wanted a very clear, unanimous, GODDAMN IT WE MEAN IT! vibe.

Then he pressed Ike to vigorously enforce it; that the authority of the entire justice system and all the courts in the land was at stake if Arkansas could ignore a unanimous SCOTSU decision.

Are there any good, recent biographies out on him? I’d love to learn more about him and his time as CJ.

354 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 10:09:42am

re: #352 Lord Of The Pies

I don’t believe Dana didn’t party. That’s just bullshit.

Is Dana about to have an UpChuck meltdown?

355 Eventual Carrion  Apr 28, 2015 10:09:46am

re: #324 Lord Of The Pies

THERE WAS CRIME THEN TOO, DIPSHIT

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Back when Bonnie and Clyde were the cream of the crop.

356 Mike Lamb  Apr 28, 2015 10:09:56am

re: #324 Lord Of The Pies

THERE WAS CRIME THEN TOO, DIPSHIT

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They had debtor’s prisons, and it was easier to starve to death…

357 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 10:10:06am

re: #352 Lord Of The Pies

I don’t believe Dana didn’t party. That’s just bullshit.

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She loves talking down to people doesn’t she? Dana, your mother obviously didn’t do a good job raising you considering the bigoted gun fucking nut you are today.

358 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 28, 2015 10:10:24am

re: #351 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

You know who I bet intimately knows the experience of poor African Americans in urban cities? Dana Loesch and Rush Limbaugh.

///

HURR HURR I SAW WITH MY OWN EYES TEH SHOPPING CART LOADED UP WITH T BONE STEAKS & FILLAY MINON & LOBSTER & CRABS LEGS & DOLLEY MADISON ICE CREAMS THAT WAS PAYED FOR WITH A WHOLE DECK OF EBT CARDS!!!!!!!!!!

359 Lidane  Apr 28, 2015 10:10:28am
360 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 10:10:31am

re: #356 Mike Lamb

They had debtor’s prisons, and it was easier to starve to death…

The good old days. The real hero of Oliver Twist is Mr. Bumble!

361 ObserverArt  Apr 28, 2015 10:10:35am

You know what did not happen under Reagan?

FOX News.

362 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 10:10:37am

re: #356 Mike Lamb

They had debtor’s prisons, and it was easier to starve to death…

Never understood the idea of debtor’s prisons. Other than the inhumanity of them, how exactly is someone supposed to repay a debt while in prison?

363 Kragar  Apr 28, 2015 10:10:37am

re: #324 Lord Of The Pies

364 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 10:11:20am

re: #363 Kragar

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365 Targetpractice  Apr 28, 2015 10:12:04am

re: #359 Lidane

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Seriously?

366 Timothy Watson  Apr 28, 2015 10:12:28am

re: #352 Lord Of The Pies

I don’t believe Dana didn’t party. That’s just bullshit.

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Must be how she got pregnant before she married?

367 nearly-headless smith25  Apr 28, 2015 10:12:32am

re: #319 HappyWarrior

That’s great. One of the things that fascinates me about him is how he went from as governor of California interning the Japanese-Americans to the writer of the decision in Brown and many other cases. Eisenhower shouldn’t have regretted Warren at all. Should have regretted Nixon.

There is kind of an Legend,or Tradition in the black community about “Grandmothers Home”. Every black grandmother is supposed to have three pictures hanging on the wall of the living room(outside of family). In the middle is a picture of Jesus. There is a picture of Martin Luther King Jr., and then depending upon the time period and the year another figure that has high importance in the black community. Some have had Presidents FDR, JFK, or LBJ. Earl Warren has also occupied that third picture in some homes.

368 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 28, 2015 10:12:35am
369 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 10:12:44am

re: #366 Timothy Watson

Must be how she got pregnant before she married?

She was?

370 Kragar  Apr 28, 2015 10:12:55am

re: #359 Lidane

You know, I’m actually shocked by this. Its long past time.

371 #FergusonFireside  Apr 28, 2015 10:13:03am

re: #365 Targetpractice

Seriously?

Pretty huge.

372 ObserverArt  Apr 28, 2015 10:14:14am

re: #301 nearly-headless smith25

I include Earl Warren in my curriculum of Civil Rights Leaders in the United States.

You know what I think happened to Earl Warren? He read that damn US Constitution and then took his job very seriously. So seriously he decided to chuck party affiliation as he should have.

373 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 28, 2015 10:14:19am

re: #290 Lord Of The Pies

So, anyone here eat Bumble Bee tuna?

I saw the story about the OSHA charges. I hope there are potentially criminal charges as well and a large civil settlement against the company as well.

MSNBC Link to story

374 b.d.  Apr 28, 2015 10:14:46am

re: #349 Lord Of The Pies

HURR HURR U HAS FRIDGE?? INTERNETS?? SHUTS UP MOOCHER.

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Hey Dana;
Poor people today don’t have those fancy record or cassette tape players or hoity toitie walkmans like you did either. The poor people of today don’t have an entire dedicated line run exclusively to your home for you to make phone calls on either, like you did.

375 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 28, 2015 10:14:47am
376 Dr. Matt  Apr 28, 2015 10:15:06am

Have the TCOT mouth breathers suggested nuking Baltimore? That seems to be their response to every other conflict involving non-Whites.

377 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 28, 2015 10:16:14am

re: #376 Dr. Matt

Has the TCOT mouth breathers suggested nuking Baltimore? That seems to be their response to every other conflict involving non-Whites.

See, if Obama had nuked Baltimore instead of Charleston, none of this would be happening.

378 Timothy Watson  Apr 28, 2015 10:16:15am

re: #369 HappyWarrior

She was?

Dana Eaton dropped out of Webster after meeting Chris Loesch, her husband-to-be. She disclosed some of her own personal background while guest hosting the Glenn Beck program.

“I was a broke, unwed student from a single-parent household when I became pregnant with my first child,” she said.

Loesch has had money troubles. St. Louis County Court records show she was sued in 2002 by a New Hampshire corporation for failing to pay a credit-card bill. When she did not appear in court, a default judgment was issued, ordering payment of $2,008 in principal, interest and fees.

Jefferson County Circuit Court records show the Missouri Department of Revenue filed a case against Christopher and Dana Loesch in January 2011, seeking $2,009 in back taxes. A tax lien was filed, and in June of this year the amount was repaid.

gatewayjr.org

379 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 28, 2015 10:16:25am

re: #376 Dr. Matt

Has the TCOT mouth breathers suggested nuking Baltimore? That seems to be their response to every other conflict involving non-Whites.

They’ll greet us as liberators!

380 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 10:16:25am

re: #367 nearly-headless smith25

There is kind of an Legend,or Tradition in the black community about “Grandmothers Home”. Every black grandmother is supposed to have three pictures hanging on the wall of the living room(outside of family). In the middle is a picture of Jesus. There is a picture of Martin Luther King Jr., and then depending upon the time period and the year another figure that has high importance in the black community. Some have had Presidents FDR, JFK, or LBJ. Earl Warren has also occupied that third picture in some homes.

We had something like that in the homes of my older women relatives too. It was often Jesus, FDR, and in my great grandparents’ home John L. Lewis (The labor leader.) He really deserves more focus from history. I mean I did learn about what he did but the name really wasn’t brought up much. I’ve been thinking about Justice Warren and his court’s legacy a lot lately since I started taking my paralegal certificate course and seeing his court’s role on important decisions. My instructor brings up Loving quite a bit since he is a white man married to a black woman and Loving thankfully did away with interracial marriage bans. I also have a personal connection to Loving given my mom’s dad employed Richard Loving when the Lovings were living in D.C. before the court ruled in their favor.

381 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 10:16:32am

re: #370 Kragar

You know, I’m actually shocked by this. Its long past time.

I’m not seeing anything on ESPN.

382 ObserverArt  Apr 28, 2015 10:16:41am

re: #307 Great White Snark

So thought I had the flu, but got to Urgent care as things got worse. Pneumonia. Lost 12 lb in a couple days. Damn this got bad fast. they told me flat out if the zithromax does not kick this thing back it’s ER for me. Weak as a kitten. Kitten? Could totally kick my butt right now.

My Friday night guitar playing buddy had a case of it about a month ago. He is usually healthy as hell, but that knocked him back for about two to three weeks.

Take care!

383 b.d.  Apr 28, 2015 10:17:18am

Got this forwarded to me on work email.

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384 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 10:17:23am

re: #378 Timothy Watson

gatewayjr.org

Oh so she’s another right wing hypocrite who loves to lecture others. Surprsed, I am not.

385 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 10:17:27am

re: #378 Timothy Watson

gatewayjr.org

Responsibility.

/

386 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 28, 2015 10:18:10am

re: #325 Backwoods_Sleuth

And there were riots back then, too.

And even Confederate wimmins will riot if you push them too far.

Southern Bread Riots

387 Kragar  Apr 28, 2015 10:18:43am

re: #381 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

388 Lidane  Apr 28, 2015 10:19:00am

re: #365 Targetpractice

Seriously?

Yep:

389 Eventual Carrion  Apr 28, 2015 10:19:22am

re: #352 Lord Of The Pies

I don’t believe Dana didn’t party. That’s just bullshit.

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She did get knocked up and have to get married from what I understand. So mamma let down her guard long enough for a couple minutes of belly slappin’.

Don’t drink
Don’t smoke
What do you do?

390 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 28, 2015 10:19:37am

re: #325 Backwoods_Sleuth

And there were riots back then, too.

Yes, but they were the right kind of riots.

391 lawhawk  Apr 28, 2015 10:20:04am

re: #266 Lord Of The Pies

Wait, what?

Riots/civil unrest in 1980s.

Riots in 1990s.

Riots in the 2000s.

Riots since 2010.

Common threads? Well, you’ve got the sports hooliganism that gets excused as rowdy folks who drank too much, but who also destroy property, cause injuries, and are otherwise excused by a certain sort of people, and then you’ve got those civil disturbances that follow officer-involved shootings/excessive force incidents (LA riots, Ferguson, etc.). Often, those latter ones are in minority communities and the police force is largely white.

392 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 28, 2015 10:21:29am

re: #325 Backwoods_Sleuth

And there were riots back then, too.

Not in their rose-tinted, idealized memory of America.

393 Dave In Austin  Apr 28, 2015 10:22:12am
394 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 28, 2015 10:22:30am

re: #392 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Not in their rose-tinted, idealized memory of America.

Any riots were put down quickly with heavy artillery.

395 Kragar  Apr 28, 2015 10:22:48am

So on the one side, the NFL gives up its tax exempt status.

On the other side, reasonably sure they can afford the lawyers and accountants to make sure they qualify for a refund without ever paying an actual dime.

396 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 28, 2015 10:23:20am

re: #376 Dr. Matt

Have the TCOT mouth breathers suggested nuking Baltimore? That seems to be their response to every other conflict involving non-Whites.

UpChuck-for-brains mentioned it last night:

397 Dr. Matt  Apr 28, 2015 10:23:44am
NOT The Onion. #derp
398 Timothy Watson  Apr 28, 2015 10:24:19am

re: #396 Backwoods_Sleuth

UpChuck-for-brains mentioned it last night:

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That lamer really cites the politically correct The Sum of All Fears film?

399 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 10:24:32am

re: #393 Dave In Austin

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Well he is smarter than you Brian, sorry that chaps your ass that a black guy is smarter than you. You want a narcissist? Yeah look at all the Republicans running especially Ted Cruz who actually has his father saying he’s divinely annoated to run this country. But then again I bet our pal Brian here is someone who thinks Obama is a narcissist because he said I in a speech.

400 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 28, 2015 10:24:58am

Wolf is creaming his jeans:

401 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 10:25:18am

re: #397 Dr. Matt

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You could say the same thing about the Republican majority in the House, Matt that actually controls the purse strings, you hack job whose website is still stuck in 1998.

402 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 10:25:21am

My Maryland media Twitter feed suggests the riot is winding down, National Guard helping keep the official peace for now.

But unless I’m mistaken, this is a riot that hasn’t taken any lives.

403 Lidane  Apr 28, 2015 10:25:31am

Sure. Good luck with that:

Because the quality people want in a President is the willingness to disobey a legit SCOTUS ruling they don’t like.

404 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 28, 2015 10:26:19am

re: #400 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wolf is creaming his jeans:

The “live coverage” earlier today was a CNN correspondent interviewing another CNN correspondent to talk about his footage of him talking with a Vietnam Vet at the protests the evening before.

405 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 10:26:31am

re: #397 Dr. Matt

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Thanks, Drudge, for that insightful opinion.

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406 Kragar  Apr 28, 2015 10:26:34am

re: #394 Lord Of The Pies

Any riots were put down quickly with heavy artillery.

“All these problems could be solved if we just hired the Pinkertons!”

407 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 28, 2015 10:27:22am
408 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 10:27:22am

re: #404 Feline Fearless Leader

The “live coverage” earlier today was a CNN correspondent interviewing another CNN correspondent to talk about his footage of him talking with a Vietnam Vet at the protests the evening before.

Award-winning journalism.

The most trusted name in news.

/

409 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 10:27:36am

re: #403 Lidane

Sure. Good luck with that:

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Because the quality people want in a President is the willingness to disobey a legit SCOTUS ruling they don’t like.

Mat should be asking for an extra t instead of begging presidential candidates to join him in wanting modern Jim Crow.

410 sagehen  Apr 28, 2015 10:28:06am

re: #396 Backwoods_Sleuth

UpChuck-for-brains mentioned it last night:

He is mistaken; I read that book, it was Denver.

411 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 10:28:22am

re: #403 Lidane

Mat Staver expects every presidential candidate to sign his pledge to disobey any pro-gay marriage SCOTUS ruling:

Presidential candidate: Who the f0ck is Mat Staver?

412 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 28, 2015 10:28:24am

Punctuation is missing on this meme.
14 YEARS LATER WE HAVE A PRESIDENT!
WHO IS ARMING THE PEOPLE THAT DID THIS?

413 Dr. Matt  Apr 28, 2015 10:28:29am

Whatever Obama has been doing for the past seven years….It hasn’t worked….#raininginFloridatoday

414 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 28, 2015 10:28:33am

re: #410 sagehen

He is mistaken; I read that book, it was Denver.

Pesky, irrelevant detail…
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415 Timothy Watson  Apr 28, 2015 10:28:45am

re: #410 sagehen

He is mistaken; I read that book, it was Denver.

He’s referencing the awful movie, he’s too dumb to actually read the book.

416 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 10:28:46am

re: #407 Backwoods_Sleuth

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MARRIAGE SHOULD BE ABOUT CREATION AND BIRTH CONTROL IS SINFUL. So explain Rush and his four marriages and thank there thankfully are no little Limbaughs running around.

417 ObserverArt  Apr 28, 2015 10:29:01am

re: #378 Timothy Watson

gatewayjr.org

So Dana Loesch is a deadbeat prostitute with a kid born out of Traditional Christian Marriage. Tisk Tisk.

Hey, I just gave her the Dana Loesch treatment. ///

418 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 28, 2015 10:29:10am

This is a “trick question” There are no major cities run by Republicans.

419 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 28, 2015 10:29:13am

re: #403 Lidane

Sure. Good luck with that:

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Because the quality people want in a President is the willingness to disobey a legit SCOTUS ruling they don’t like.

If I aspired to the presidency I wouldn’t even consider taking orders from a little shit like Staver - even if I agreed with him.

420 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 10:29:30am

re: #413 Dr. Matt

Whatever Obama has been doing for the past seven years….It hasn’t worked….#raininginFloridatoday

Thanks Obama.

421 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 10:29:33am

re: #412 Lord Of The Pies

Punctuation is missing on this meme.
14 YEARS LATER WE HAVE A PRESIDENT!
WHO IS ARMING THE PEOPLE THAT DID THIS?

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Uh no young conservative twit, he killed the person who masterminded that. Perhaps you missed that while you were fapping to Atlas Shrugged and Ronald Reagan fan fiction porn.

422 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 10:30:07am

re: #418 Lord Of The Pies

Republicans run cities?

423 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 28, 2015 10:30:15am

re: #410 sagehen

He is mistaken; I read that book, it was Denver.

They blew up Baltimore instead in the movie.

424 Dr. Matt  Apr 28, 2015 10:30:20am

Whatever Obama has been doing for the past seven years….It hasn’t worked….#GreatWhiteSnarkhaspneumonia

Whatever Obama has been doing for the past seven years….It hasn’t worked….#Mycaffeinebuzzisgone

Whatever Obama has been doing for the past seven years….It hasn’t worked….#Ineednewtiresonmycar

Whatever Obama has been doing for the past seven years….It hasn’t worked….#RedWingslostlastnight

425 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 28, 2015 10:31:14am

re: #412 Lord Of The Pies

Red Nation Rising? Did someone put the beer up in the cupboard with the meth and the Bible?

426 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 28, 2015 10:31:17am
427 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 28, 2015 10:31:29am

re: #412 Lord Of The Pies

Punctuation is missing on this meme.
14 YEARS LATER WE HAVE A PRESIDENT!
WHO IS ARMING THE PEOPLE THAT DID THIS?

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20 years earlier we had a president who actually did arm the people that did this.

BTW, moron—it’s “people who”, not “people that”.

428 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 10:31:30am

re: #396 Backwoods_Sleuth

UpChuck-for-brains mentioned it last night:

Can’t really understand UpChuck’s tweet without hearing him read it in a slurry voice.

429 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 28, 2015 10:31:55am
430 Ace-o-aces  Apr 28, 2015 10:32:16am
431 Varek Raith  Apr 28, 2015 10:32:23am

re: #412 Lord Of The Pies

Punctuation is missing on this meme.
14 YEARS LATER WE HAVE A PRESIDENT!
WHO IS ARMING THE PEOPLE THAT DID THIS?

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OBL could not be reached for comment.

432 gwangung  Apr 28, 2015 10:32:40am

Wre: #424 Dr. Matt

Whatever Obama has been doing for the past seven years….It hasn’t worked….

Because the assholes he was talking to didn’t he think he meant THEM.

Yes, you…the ones who need suntan lotion.

433 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 10:33:04am

re: #426 Lord Of The Pies

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If only Jenna/Barbara Bush and Noelle Bush and George Prescott Bush had strong male role models.// Or how about the many children of Republican scions who have been arrested for possessing heavy drugs?

434 Kragar  Apr 28, 2015 10:33:58am
435 ObserverArt  Apr 28, 2015 10:35:22am

re: #418 Lord Of The Pies

This is a “trick question” There are no major cities run by Republicans.

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You know what really bothers me about Tweets?

Too many people showing their asses. They should at the very least make people wear pants.

436 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 10:36:01am

re: #434 Kragar

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I swear there’s something not right with that guy. What a fucking load of shit.

437 Timothy Watson  Apr 28, 2015 10:36:06am

re: #434 Kragar

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What can you expect from someone who has no idea how a parliamentary democracy works and has never heard of one?

438 nearly-headless smith25  Apr 28, 2015 10:36:43am
439 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 10:37:09am

re: #438 nearly-headless smith25

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Exactly, Mr. President.

440 Ace-o-aces  Apr 28, 2015 10:37:29am
441 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 10:37:50am

re: #437 Timothy Watson

What can you expect from someone who has no idea how a parliamentary democracy works and has never heard of one?

It’s a good thing that he doesn’t understand government.// wingnut

442 Lidane  Apr 28, 2015 10:38:31am

re: #435 ObserverArt

You know what really bothers me about Tweets?

Too many people showing their asses. They should at the very least make people wear pants.

443 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 28, 2015 10:38:48am

re: #441 HappyWarrior

It’s a good thing that he doesn’t understand government.// wingnut

Is there going to be a need soon for people who can speak wingnut in order to help deal with emergency situations?
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444 Targetpractice  Apr 28, 2015 10:39:18am

re: #429 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah, that photographer on Sunday who had six cops beating the shit out of him will be glad to know that the violence didn’t really begin until yesterday afternoon.

445 ObserverArt  Apr 28, 2015 10:39:30am

re: #426 Lord Of The Pies

[Wonkette @Wonkette
Rand Paul knows Baltimore thugs just need good dads, like his drunk, criming jerk son has ow.ly
1:29 PM - 28 Apr 2015]

Another fine example of Rand’s arrogance. He can’t seem to get past his big head how this was all in the recent news and if anything he should stay far away from such a comment.

File under the “My shit doesn’t stink” file. It’s easy to find, It is the largest file in his office. Actually, it’s right there on his desk…always open.

446 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 28, 2015 10:39:41am

re: #443 Feline Fearless Leader

Is there going to be a need soon for people who can speak wingnut in order to help deal with emergency situations?
///

Meet JimmyJoeBob: The Angry Wingnut Translator

447 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 10:40:32am

re: #445 ObserverArt

Another fine example of Rand’s arrogance. He can’t seem to get past his big head how this was all in the recent news and if anything he should stay far away from such a comment.

File under the “My shit doesn’t stink” file. It’s easy to find, It is the largest file in his office. Actually, it’s right there on his desk…always open.

You know speaking of Republican narcissists……………..

448 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 28, 2015 10:42:10am
449 A Cranky One  Apr 28, 2015 10:43:18am

Looks like the gardens are starting to wake up.

Good thing too. Need a little beauty in my life after the last few days.

450 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 10:43:27am

re: #446 Backwoods_Sleuth

Meet JimmyJoeBob: The Angry Wingnut Translator

Paging Key and Peele.

451 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 28, 2015 10:44:43am

Oh, the wingnuts will esplode when they hear this:

452 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 10:45:00am

re: #438 nearly-headless smith25

hurr hurr Obama sympathizes with terrorist thug CVS burners just like Saul Alinsky!

453 ObserverArt  Apr 28, 2015 10:45:49am

Well, those last few comments were fun. I needed it too. It lifts my spirits to be able to laugh and poke at RWNJs with all the Lizards.

Laugh or cry? Laugh!

Be back a bit later…staying logged in to lurk though!

454 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 10:45:55am

re: #434 Kragar

Just another shameless pander for the VP nomination.

/

455 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 10:46:07am

re: #452 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

hurr hurr Obama sympathizes with terrorist thug CVS burners just like Saul Alinsky!

I am expecting
Hurr hurr Obama thinks you shouldn’t care about looting.

456 Dave In Austin  Apr 28, 2015 10:46:38am

Bwahahaha!!!!

457 gwangung  Apr 28, 2015 10:47:37am

re: #456 Dave In Austin

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Bwahahaha!!!!

This twit wouldn’t know a Marxist if it bit him on the ass.

458 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 28, 2015 10:48:23am

Build a casino…
Build luxury condominiums…
Throw out all the poors…
Declare bankruptcy!

459 nearly-headless smith25  Apr 28, 2015 10:49:31am

Of course with the attention on Baltimore, word is now getting out about Terrence Kellum in Detroit. Apparently was unarmed when killed by police last night/this morning. Seen where it may have been 10 shots. Emergency protests at 4:30 today.

460 Targetpractice  Apr 28, 2015 10:49:48am

Oh god, I just saw two wingnuts collide and it was messy. Yesterday, before the riots began, I had one nattering in my ear about how NYC’s City Council wanting to roll back “Broken Windows” was a mistake, just like ending “Stop And Frisk,” and it would only lead to more crime and the backsliding of the city.

Today, another wingnut has jumped up to declare that the animosity between the police and the black community in Baltimore is due to O’Malley’s governorship. What did O’Malley do to make things “worse”? He implemented his own version of “Broken Windows” and had cops conducting “Stop and Frisk.”

And this is happening on the same board, but I’m sure the first wingnuts will now try to argue that what O’Malley did is “different.”

461 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 10:50:02am

re: #456 Dave In Austin

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Bwahahaha!!!!

Gee that solves everything. Maybe if we actually had an educated populiace, we wouldn’t have morons like Brian crying about “narcissistic neo-Marxists”

462 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 10:51:15am

re: #458 Lord Of The Pies

Build a casino…
Build luxury condominiums…
Throw out all the poors…
Declare bankruptcy!

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Donald, you’ve failed so much on your own time that I don’t think I would trust you to tie your own shoe let alone with a city. Why don’t you let the adults handle things and go back to being the host of a crappy reality show.

463 Varek Raith  Apr 28, 2015 10:51:36am

If you can’t run a freaking casino successfully…
Well…

464 Timothy Watson  Apr 28, 2015 10:52:05am

re: #460 Targetpractice

Oh god, I just saw two wingnuts collide and it was messy. Yesterday, before the riots began, I had one nattering in my ear about how NYC’s City Council wanting to roll back “Broken Windows” was a mistake, just like ending “Stop And Frisk,” and it would only lead to more crime and the backsliding of the city.

Today, another wingnut has jumped up to declare that the animosity between the police and the black community in Baltimore is due to O’Malley’s governorship. What did O’Malley do to make things “worse”? He implemented his own version of “Broken Windows” and had cops conducting “Stop and Frisk.”

And this is happening on the same board, but I’m sure the first wingnuts will now try to argue that what O’Malley did is “different.”

O’Malley ran the local police departments when he was Governor?

465 ObserverArt  Apr 28, 2015 10:53:08am

re: #458 Lord Of The Pies

Build a casino…
Build luxury condominiums…
Throw out all the poors…
Declare bankruptcy!

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GAH!!! That photo. Maybe I shouldn’t lurk. It is going to take time to recover after seeing that…that…thing!

/

466 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 28, 2015 10:53:27am
467 Targetpractice  Apr 28, 2015 10:53:28am

re: #464 Timothy Watson

O’Malley ran the local police departments when he was Governor?

Apparently the wingnut fallback position, now that it’s becoming impossible to deny just how fucked up things are in the Baltimore PD, is to blame Democrats for the situation.

468 Targetpractice  Apr 28, 2015 10:53:54am

re: #466 Lord Of The Pies

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Heckuva job, Brownie.

469 Dave In Austin  Apr 28, 2015 10:54:13am

Someone take over on this idiot. I have to go back to work.

470 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 10:54:59am

So conservatives who have never met a cut to education and infrastructure that they haven’t liked are complaining about governance. Yeah that makes sense.

471 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 28, 2015 10:55:38am

MRBWS has a temporary job reassignment doing disconnects this week while the guy who usually does it is recovering from eye surgery.
At first, hubs said the job was way too easy.
Yesterday, his first day of doing disconnects on his own, was a reality slap upside the head.
He now hates it. Little old ladies on Social Security, actual small businesses with landlords who don’t pay the bills as required in the lease, a church.
He said he was going to hell for cutting off the church. I told him that should have been the highlight of the day and we don’t believe in hell anyway.

472 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 10:55:42am

re: #469 Dave In Austin

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Someone take over on this idiot. I have to go back to work.

or Ted Cruz whose father literally thinks God picked him to be president. I would engage him but I don’t do Twitter.

473 Timothy Watson  Apr 28, 2015 10:55:50am

re: #469 Dave In Austin

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Someone take over on this idiot. I have to go back to work.

What’s the difference between a regular Marxist and a neo-Marxist?

474 b.d.  Apr 28, 2015 10:55:53am

re: #466 Lord Of The Pies

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ouch

475 b.d.  Apr 28, 2015 10:56:15am

re: #473 Timothy Watson

What’s the difference between a regular Marxist and a neo-Marxist?

The Dollar Shave Club

476 Kragar  Apr 28, 2015 10:57:25am
477 Dave In Austin  Apr 28, 2015 10:58:08am

re: #475 b.d.

Oh Fuck that hurts…. Soda on the console……

478 No Country For Old Haters  Apr 28, 2015 10:58:10am

re: #456 Dave In Austin

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Bwahahaha!!!!

479 Targetpractice  Apr 28, 2015 10:59:07am

re: #476 Kragar

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And remember, folks: White people stealing food from a flooded store are “looking for provisions,” while black people stealing food from the same store are “looters.”

480 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 10:59:23am

re: #460 Targetpractice

Oh god, I just saw two wingnuts collide and it was messy. Yesterday, before the riots began, I had one nattering in my ear about how NYC’s City Council wanting to roll back “Broken Windows” was a mistake, just like ending “Stop And Frisk,” and it would only lead to more crime and the backsliding of the city.

Today, another wingnut has jumped up to declare that the animosity between the police and the black community in Baltimore is due to O’Malley’s governorship. What did O’Malley do to make things “worse”? He implemented his own version of “Broken Windows” and had cops conducting “Stop and Frisk.”

And this is happening on the same board, but I’m sure the first wingnuts will now try to argue that what O’Malley did is “different.”

It all makes sense, I’m sure, to CCJ and Dana Loesch.

/

481 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 28, 2015 11:02:25am

re: #473 Timothy Watson

What’s the difference between a regular Marxist and a neo-Marxist?

The latter is going to free us from the tyranny of the machines.
///

482 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 11:02:58am

re: #466 Lord Of The Pies

Why does Ass on the Right care about a burning city?

Hey I’m just asking questions….

483 Lidane  Apr 28, 2015 11:03:35am

re: #482 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Why does Ass on the Right care about a burning city?

Because cities burn when Democrats are in charge wharglbargl.

484 Romantic Heretic  Apr 28, 2015 11:03:51am

re: #307 Great White Snark

So thought I had the flu, but got to Urgent care as things got worse. Pneumonia. Lost 12 lb in a couple days. Damn this got bad fast. they told me flat out if the zithromax does not kick this thing back it’s ER for me. Weak as a kitten. Kitten? Could totally kick my butt right now.

Sending strength and healing vibes your way.

485 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 11:04:16am

re: #483 Lidane

Because cities burn when Democrats are in charge wharglbargl.

and nothing ever goes wrong when a conservative’s in charge and when it does, it’s because they were too liberal.// Conservatism is never wrong. It can only be wronged!

486 nearly-headless smith25  Apr 28, 2015 11:05:44am
487 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 28, 2015 11:06:21am
488 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 28, 2015 11:08:18am

re: #484 Romantic Heretic

Sending strength and healing vibes your way.

Don’t forget to send a few kittens to mug him and take his wallet.
/ ;)

489 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 11:09:33am

re: #487 Backwoods_Sleuth

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They’re doomed. I think it’s going to be 6-3 in the end. Their whole argument against same sex marriage is that it offends their religious beliefs. Well people argued the same about interracial marriage too.

490 nearly-headless smith25  Apr 28, 2015 11:09:54am
491 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 28, 2015 11:10:29am

re: #487 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The Court’s conservatives fixated upon their belief that same-sex marriages are a very new institution. “Every definition [of marriage] I looked up prior to about a dozen years ago,” Chief Justice John Roberts claimed, limited marriages to opposite-sex couples. Advocates for equality, Roberts continued, are “seeking to change what the institution is.”

Meanwhile, Justice Samuel Alito argued that even “ancient Greece,” a society he perceived as welcoming to same-sex relationships, did not permit same-sex marriage. Justice Antonin Scalia insisted that “for millennia, not a single society” supported marriage equality.

Guess Scalia hasn’t heard about Canada.

492 nearly-headless smith25  Apr 28, 2015 11:10:49am

Just some posting before teaching final class of the day.

Topic: White Flight, Redlining, and Affirmative Action.

493 Varek Raith  Apr 28, 2015 11:11:04am

re: #491 Backwoods_Sleuth

Guess Scalia hasn’t heard about Canada.

To be fair, who has?
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494 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 11:11:40am

re: #491 Backwoods_Sleuth

Guess Scalia hasn’t heard about Canada.

or the UK. Scalia really is a bad judge. He’s not as bad as Thomas but I laugh when Republican candidates for president say this clown is what a model judge should be.

495 Dr Lizardo  Apr 28, 2015 11:12:22am

re: #489 HappyWarrior

They’re doomed. I think it’s going to be 6-3 in the end. Their whole argument against same sex marriage is that it offends their religious beliefs. Well people argued the same about interracial marriage too.

I’m thinking 6-3, but it could be 5-4 too.

496 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Apr 28, 2015 11:12:44am

How did that Atlantic City thing work for ya Donnie?

497 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 11:13:34am

re: #495 Dr Lizardo

I’m thinking 6-3, but it could be 5-4 too.

Yeah I think Roberts is the wild card here more than Kennedy. I really would love to see it 9-0 to put the bigots in their place once and for all but unfortunately Alito, Scalia, and Thomas are dinosaurs.

498 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 11:15:29am

I’m reading about “Rough rides” and holy fucking shit. Yeah let’s talk about thugs. The thugs that wear blue.

499 allegro  Apr 28, 2015 11:16:55am

re: #491 Backwoods_Sleuth

Guess Scalia hasn’t heard about Canada.

The abolition of slavery was a new idea once, too. Jeez, a SCOTUS judge is making such a stupid argument as a legal basis?

500 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 28, 2015 11:17:01am

re: #476 Kragar

Suddenly the wingers remember GW Bush.

501 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 28, 2015 11:17:07am

re: #493 Varek Raith

To be fair, who has?
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Only when they riot.

RBS

502 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 28, 2015 11:17:36am
503 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 28, 2015 11:17:53am

re: #501 RealityBasedSteve

Only when they riot.

RBS

Like in Vancouver 2011?

504 Dr Lizardo  Apr 28, 2015 11:18:21am

re: #498 HappyWarrior

I’m reading about “Rough rides” and holy fucking shit. Yeah let’s talk about thugs. The thugs that wear blue.

…

505 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 28, 2015 11:19:52am

re: #503 Lord Of The Pies

Like in Vancouver 2011?

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Those are just exuberant fans celebrating a win. Not same thing at all. ///

506 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 11:20:09am

re: #499 allegro

The abolition of slavery was a new idea once, too. Jeez, a SCOTUS judge is making such a stupid argument as a legal basis?

Exactly. The argument that I’m seeing Scalia make and I’ve seen it from Alito in the past is that gay marriage is “new” so ergo it shouldn’t be valid. What on earth kind of legal logic is that? And the whole idea that “Well most states have it, so the prejudices will die out” thing that I think Roberts has pushed is stupid too. Most states had gotten rid of their bans on itnerracial marriage pre-Loving but didn’t make Virginia’s ban on same sex marriage any less unconstitutional. Our supposed “constitutional conservative” judges are intellectually dishonest hacks.

507 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 28, 2015 11:20:15am

ooops!

508 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 11:20:53am

re: #502 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Bursch doesn’t have a clue what he’s doing.

509 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 11:21:06am

re: #487 Backwoods_Sleuth

We love Freedom and Liberty and Less Government

Justice Kennedy

—“personal decisions relating to marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, child rearing, and education” involve “choices central to personal dignity and autonomy,” and “are central to the liberty protected by the Fourteenth Amendment.”

Hurr hurr marriage isn’t about dignity or choice or liberty!!!

510 lawhawk  Apr 28, 2015 11:21:10am
511 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 28, 2015 11:21:17am

re: #508 HappyWarrior

Bursch doesn’t have a clue what he’s doing.

Ya think so? LOL!

512 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 11:22:01am

re: #506 HappyWarrior

Exactly. The argument that I’m seeing Scalia make and I’ve seen it from Alito in the past is that gay marriage is “new” so ergo it shouldn’t be valid. What on earth kind of legal logic is that?

Wingnut logic.

513 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 11:22:19am

re: #507 Backwoods_Sleuth

ooops!

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GEe another anti-gay Republican exposed as gay themselves.

514 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 11:22:45am

re: #512 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Wingnut logic.

But they’re strict constitutional conservatives.//

515 jaunte  Apr 28, 2015 11:23:01am

re: #508 HappyWarrior

Bursch doesn’t have a clue what he’s doing.

“When you change the definition of marriage,” Bursch declared, that has “consequences.”

When pressed to explain the consequences, Bursch asked the Court to consider two different couples, one of which believes that marriage exists for the benefit of children, and the other which believes that it exists to foster relationships between adults. If the Court adopts the view of the second couple — a position he claimed the justices would implicitly embrace if they allowed same-sex couples, who cannot procreate, to marry — that will send the message that marriage has little to do with children, which will in turn lead to more children being born out-of-wedlock. The “reasonable voter,” Bursch insisted, could conclude that it was necessary to ban same-sex couples from marrying in order to halt this attenuated chain of events that allegedly ends in more children being born to unmarried couples.

He’s wandering into Rube Goldberg territory.

516 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 28, 2015 11:23:20am
517 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 11:24:45am

re: #516 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Well she did clerk for one of my favorite justices. Good on Justice Kagan for pointing this out. And I agree, she’s looking like a great pick.

518 Dr Lizardo  Apr 28, 2015 11:24:50am

re: #509 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

We love Freedom and Liberty and Less Government

Justice Kennedy:

—“personal decisions relating to marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, child rearing, and education” involve “choices central to personal dignity and autonomy,” and “are central to the liberty protected by the Fourteenth Amendment.”

Hurr hurr marriage isn’t about dignity or choice or liberty!!!

And there it is; I think that’s the way Kennedy’s gonna vote, thus making it 5-4.

The headsplosions and derpgasms such a SCOTUS ruling will produce are going to be unprecedented. Brace yourselves.

519 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 28, 2015 11:24:55am

re: #509 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

We love Freedom and Liberty and Less Government

Justice Kennedy

Hurr hurr marriage isn’t about dignity or choice or liberty!!!

Yep. “Traditional marriage” is all about property rights in a patriarchal society.
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520 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 28, 2015 11:25:21am
521 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 11:25:23am

re: #515 jaunte

He’s wandering into Rube Goldberg territory.

Man what a failure.

522 Lidane  Apr 28, 2015 11:25:34am

re: #489 HappyWarrior

They’re doomed. I think it’s going to be 6-3 in the end. Their whole argument against same sex marriage is that it offends their religious beliefs. Well people argued the same about interracial marriage too.

The only way it’s 6-3 is if Roberts decides that his historical legacy as Chief Justice is worth more than the howling of the rubes.

I’m guessing it will be 5-4, with Kennedy writing the opinion.

523 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 28, 2015 11:25:54am

re: #505 RealityBasedSteve

Those are just exuberant fans celebrating a win. Not same thing at all. ///

Actually they lost.

524 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 11:27:10am

re: #520 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I agree with Mr. Black. I don’t see any way Kennedy rules against SSM now. Hell I wouldn’t be surprised if he writes the majority opinion on it and honestly if it is 5-4, I really feel he should write the opinion because the majority opinion coming from a conservative like Kennedy will really show the right just how absurd their bigotry is and has been.

525 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 11:27:46am

re: #522 Lidane

The only way it’s 6-3 is if Roberts decides that his historical legacy as Chief Justice is worth more than the howling of the rubes.

I’m guessing it will be 5-4, with Kennedy writing the opinion.

I think Roberts really does value his legacy ergo my 6-3 bet. We do agree about Kennedy writing the opinion though.

526 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 11:28:42am

Oh, good. The SCOTUS has been interrupted by a protester shouting about the Bible teaching that gays will burn in hell for eternity.

This should prove persuasive.

/

527 Kryptik  Apr 28, 2015 11:28:44am

re: #490 nearly-headless smith25

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I would say, more appropriately, they’re interested in all of what MLK Jr. had to say, with respective context, than cherry picked MLK Jr. soundbites that make for good twitter memes.

528 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 28, 2015 11:29:08am

re: #516 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Meme that has been running around the “WingnuttySphere” the last few days is that if the Court rules against them, the ruling is invalid. The argument is that since both Ginsburg and Kegan have attended or perfomed the ceremeony at Gay Marriages, they are not impartial, and should have recused themselves.

It’s sort of like un-skewing the polls.

RBS

529 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 28, 2015 11:29:15am

Um Ben, “race-baiting leftists” are not breaking peoples’ necks, chocking out people so they can’t breathe, shooting little kids in the park, tasing people while they are tied up….

530 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 28, 2015 11:29:27am

re: #525 HappyWarrior

I think Roberts really does value his legacy ergo my 6-3 bet. We do agree about Kennedy writing the opinion though.

And once they establish that marriage is not simply about procreation the corporations can start marrying each other since spin-off of subsidiary companies is no longer expected to be mandatory.
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531 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 28, 2015 11:30:05am

re: #527 Kryptik

I would say, more appropriately, they’re interested in all of what MLK Jr. had to say, with respective context, than cherry picked MLK Jr. soundbites that make for good twitter memes.

Isn’t “good twitter meme” sort of contradictory?

532 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 11:30:46am

re: #528 RealityBasedSteve

Meme that has been running around the “WingnuttySphere” the last few days is that if the Court rules against them, the ruling is invalid. The argument is that since both Ginsburg and Kegan have attended or perfomed the ceremeony at Gay Marriages, they are not impartial, and should have recused themselves.

It’s sort of like un-skewing the polls.

RBS

They tried to claim that the California judge that ruled against them on Prop 8 was “biased” because he’s gay. But yet you know they would have been just fine with a Regent University and dues paying Christian Coalition member making that decision. They’re desperate and unfortunately I think they’re going to get even more bigoted towards gays than they already are.

533 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 28, 2015 11:31:03am

re: #531 Feline Fearless Leader

Isn’t “good twitter meme” sort of contradictory?

I tweet good memes.

534 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 11:31:08am

re: #529 Lord Of The Pies

Um Ben, “race-baiting leftists” are not breaking peoples’ necks, chocking out people so they can’t breathe, shooting little kids in the park, tasing people while they are tied up….

Are Ben and CCJ really the same person?

/

535 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 11:31:20am

re: #529 Lord Of The Pies

Um Ben, “race-baiting leftists” are not breaking peoples’ necks, chocking out people so they can’t breathe, shooting little kids in the park, tasing people while they are tied up….

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Fuck off Ben seriously. It’s not the “leftists” that broke Freddie Gray’s neck you fucking turd.

536 Dr Lizardo  Apr 28, 2015 11:31:53am

re: #532 HappyWarrior

They tried to claim that the California judge that ruled against them on Prop 8 was “biased” because he’s gay. But yet you know they would have been just find with a Regent University and dues paying Christian Coalition member making that decision. They’re desperate and unfortunately I think they’re going to get even more bigoted towards gays than they already are.

Sadly, I have to agree - the wingnuts are gonna get even more assholish towards LGBT Americans going forward.

537 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 11:32:17am

re: #534 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Are Ben and CCJ really the same person?

/

Here they are in their childhood in the cornfield.
Image: chil2-top-100-horror-villains-part-2.jpeg

538 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 11:33:19am

re: #536 Dr Lizardo

Sadly, I have to agree - the wingnuts are gonna get even more assholish towards LGBT Americans going forward.

Which is why we’ve seen the rise in things like the Indiana law. It’s not unlike how after the Brown decision, you saw the KKK make a comeback after it had declined after the Depression and WWII.

539 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 11:35:49am

We’re going to see cries for nullification if the court rules against them and more cries about “tyrants” in robes. Because you know it’s down right tyrannical to rule that someone has the same rights you do. Wingnuts don’t know jack shit about what tyranny is and when they do, they cheer it on.

540 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 28, 2015 11:37:08am

re: #535 HappyWarrior

Fuck off Ben seriously. It’s not the “leftists” that broke Freddie Gray’s neck you fucking turd.

Ben has almost as much knowledge and empathy with African Americans living in urban areas with boarded up housing and poor services as Dana and Rush.

/

541 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 28, 2015 11:37:50am

If procreation is the basis for a valid marriage, then the end result should obviously be that NO marriage should be declared valid until a child is produced.
Do the wingnuts really want to test that?

542 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 11:38:47am

re: #541 Backwoods_Sleuth

If procreation is the basis for a valid marriage, then the end result should obviously be that NO marriage should be declared valid until a child is produced.
Do the wingnuts really want to test that?

Time to ban marriage between adults over the age of 50. Sorry Newt and Calista.

543 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 28, 2015 11:58:56am

re: #539 HappyWarrior

We’re going to see cries for nullification if the court rules against them and more cries about “tyrants” in robes. Because you know it’s down right tyrannical to rule that someone has the same rights you do. Wingnuts don’t know jack shit about what tyranny is and when they do, they cheer it on.

I’ve seen some comments (mainly FB) from “a pox on both their houses” libertarians on how we need a dictatorship for a period of time in order to set up re-establishing non-corrupt democratic government.

I didn’t feel like getting into an argument with their pipe dream* since history is replete with example after example of “reformer” governments whose temporary seizure of power to form the republic or return rule to the people seems to never get to the stage where power is given up. (Rome, Russia, France, etc. - take your pick.)

Libertarian philosophy disregards human nature as much as communist and the other political philosophies - it does not apply to our species. And therefore it really is a pipe dream - you only get it when you’re smoking an opium pipe or some other wild substance.

544 Lidane  Apr 28, 2015 12:11:52pm

re: #543 Feline Fearless Leader

Libertarian philosophy disregards human nature as much as communist and the other political philosophies - it does not apply to our species. And therefore it really is a pipe dream - you only get it when you’re smoking an opium pipe or some other wild substance.

Libertarianism is the selfish asshole version of Marxism. They’re both pipe dream fantasies that completely misunderstand human nature and are totally illiterate when it comes to economics.


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