Jeb Bush Reiterates His Pandering to the Latino Community

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The right wing base will be apoplectic over this statement by Jeb Bush, of course: Jeb Bush: Give 11 Million Immigrants Chance to Stay.

HOUSTON (AP) — Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush declared Wednesday that 11 million immigrants in the country illegally should have an opportunity to stay, wading yet again into his party’s contentious immigrant debate.

In tone and substance, Bush stands out among the many Republicans lining up for the GOP’s next presidential primary, where conservatives who oppose an immigration overhaul often hold outsized influence. As he moves toward a presidential campaign, the brother and son of former presidents has not backed away from his defense of immigrants in the country illegally and a policy that would allow them to attain legal status under certain conditions.

“We’re a nation of immigrants,” Bush said at the National Christian Hispanic Leadership Conference that brought several hundred Hispanic evangelical leaders to Houston this week. “This is not the time to abandon something that makes us special and unique.”

The thing is, it costs Jeb nothing to make statements like this, and may win him some votes from the Latino community, who are overwhelmingly opposed to most Republicans. (At least, from those Latinos naïve enough to believe Jeb is being sincere.) But Bush is pandering, pure and simple, and if he were to become president nothing would change in the GOP’s stance toward immigration reform.

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276 comments
1 EPR-radar  Apr 29, 2015 1:30:32pm

Jeb Bush may well pay a price for this. This will mightily piss off the xenophobes in the GOP base.

This irritation may be enough for the GOP base turnout to drop in 2016 if Bush ends up as the nominee, especially if the GOP establishment has to resort to dirty tricks to ram the nomination through.

2 HappyWarrior  Apr 29, 2015 1:30:33pm

He is pandering because he’ll move to the right on the subject the second Paul, Huckabee,, and the other clown car members call im out.

3 wrenchwench  Apr 29, 2015 1:32:09pm

Hispanics aren’t falling for him:

4 wrenchwench  Apr 29, 2015 1:33:11pm
5 Great White Snark  Apr 29, 2015 1:33:24pm

re: #2 HappyWarrior

Based on his record as Gov., is it pandering now? Day to day reality shapes border governors on immigration. Some for the better some worse.

6 HappyWarrior  Apr 29, 2015 1:34:08pm

re: #4 wrenchwench

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Pander
????
Profit

7 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 1:34:19pm

Bush’s wife is from Mexico, but Colomba has stayed out of the spotlight as much as possible during his previous entire political career. She is said to be a very devout Catholic, and no doubt is the reason he converted.

I don’t think she’ll change her previous stance, making only a few tentative appearances if and when he gets the nomination, but no doubt he will mention his family as being “Hispanic” and try to convince Latinos that he, too, is “one of them”. I don’t think it’s going to work all that well, though, maybe among some segments, but not the majority, Latinos being 17% of the US population, a pretty large voting bloc and very diverse as well.

8 HappyWarrior  Apr 29, 2015 1:34:49pm

re: #5 Great White Snark

Based on his record as Gov., is it pandering now? Day to day reality shapes border governors on immigration. Some for the better some worse.

Honestly, yes it is given that he has been pandering on this subject given that he has been using different rhetoric on the subject with different audiences.

9 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 1:37:17pm

This doesn’t sound good for the BPD.

Baltimore Police Captain Eric Kowalczyk says report on Freddie Gray’s death will not be issued Friday; police will turn over findings to State’s Attorney’s office - @cbsbaltimore
see original on twitter.com

10 wrenchwench  Apr 29, 2015 1:37:44pm

re: #7 Justanotherhuman

Bush’s wife is from Mexico, but Colomba has stayed out of the spotlight as much as possible during his previous entire political career. She is said to be a very devout Catholic, and no doubt is the reason he converted.

I don’t think she’ll change her previous stance, making only a few tentative appearances if and when he gets the nomination, but no doubt he will mention his family as being “Hispanic” and try to convince Latinos that he, too, is “one of them”. I don’t think it’s going to work all that well, though, maybe among some segments, but not the majority, Latinos being 17% of the US population, a pretty large voting bloc and very diverse as well.

Diverse is right. Some are even gay!

11 HappyWarrior  Apr 29, 2015 1:38:08pm

re: #9 Justanotherhuman

This doesn’t sound good for the BPD.

Baltimore Police Captain Eric Kowalczyk says report on Freddie Gray’s death will not be issued Friday; police will turn over findings to State’s Attorney’s office - @cbsbaltimore
see original on twitter.com

Yeah that’s not good.

12 piratedan  Apr 29, 2015 1:38:18pm

re: #5 Great White Snark

that’s true, Florida has a real issue with people from Alabama and Georgia immigrating to the state… //////////////////

13 No Country For Old Haters  Apr 29, 2015 1:38:21pm

Of course Jeb should never be allowed any sort of power over others due to his prior abuse of power.

14 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 29, 2015 1:39:17pm
15 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 1:39:23pm

re: #11 HappyWarrior

Yeah that’s not good.

Meanwhile,

Refresh!

16 HappyWarrior  Apr 29, 2015 1:40:00pm

re: #13 No Country For Old Haters

Of course Jeb should never be allowed any sort of power over others due to his prior abuse of power.

Small government conservatism y’all.

17 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 1:41:40pm

re: #16 HappyWarrior

Small government conservatism y’all.

Just more of their “respect mah moral authoritay”.

18 Iwouldprefernotto  Apr 29, 2015 1:42:35pm

re: #13 No Country For Old Haters

Of course Jeb should never be allowed any sort of power over others due to his prior abuse of power.

I was going to give Jeb a pass, but then a read the link about Terry Schiavo and changed my mind. F him.

19 CuriousLurker  Apr 29, 2015 1:44:15pm

re: #5 Great White Snark

Based on his record as Gov., is it pandering now? Day to day reality shapes border governors on immigration. Some for the better some worse.

Wait—border governors? He was governor of Florida.

20 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 29, 2015 1:45:06pm

re: #19 CuriousLurker

Wait—border governors? He was governor of Florida.

Cuba. 70 miles away or something. Etc. Etc.

21 HappyWarrior  Apr 29, 2015 1:45:52pm

re: #19 CuriousLurker

Wait—border governors? He was governor of Florida.

To be fair, Florida does have a very high immigrant population so while it’s not a border state, it’s different than say Iowa.

22 EPR-radar  Apr 29, 2015 1:45:53pm

re: #18 Iwouldprefernotto

I was going to give Jeb a pass, but then a read the link about Terry Schiavo and changed my mind. F him.

Indeed. Jeb may not be as overtly crazy as the rest of the GOP field, but he is still a senior leader in the US Republican party of 2015.

You don’t get to be in that position if you don’t have many policy positions and/or past misdeeds that are show stoppers for any civilized person.

23 Iwouldprefernotto  Apr 29, 2015 1:46:19pm

re: #18 Iwouldprefernotto

I was going to give Jeb a pass, but then a read the link about Terry Schiavo and changed my mind. F him.

Still reading article and even more pissed off. The words “executive overreach” come to mind.

24 HappyWarrior  Apr 29, 2015 1:46:30pm

re: #22 EPR-radar

Indeed. Jeb may not be as overtly crazy as the rest of the GOP field, but he is still a senior leader in the US Republican party of 2015.

You don’t get to be in that position if you don’t have many policy positions and/or past misdeeds that are show stoppers for any civilized person.

That’s how I felt about the so called moderate Huntsman. Guy still wanted to gut the EPA.

25 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 1:46:50pm

re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth

Cuba. 70 miles away or something. Etc. Etc.

Lots of SA immigrants as well.

26 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 1:47:26pm
27 Great White Snark  Apr 29, 2015 1:47:38pm

If there is a topic among all the policies a candidate has, Jeb Bush is less of a problem on that than immigration I don’t know what it is.

28 EPR-radar  Apr 29, 2015 1:48:13pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

That’s how I felt about the so called moderate Huntsman. Guy still wanted to gut the EPA.

Huntsman also wanted no taxes on interest or capital gains. To the ninth circle of hell with that kind of ‘moderate Republican’.

29 HappyWarrior  Apr 29, 2015 1:49:08pm

re: #27 Great White Snark

If there is a topic among all the policies a candidate has, Jeb Bush is less of a problem on than immigration I don’t know what it is.

That’s fair but I will remind you that he could and I suspect probably will pander on the issue. Do well to remember that McCain went from working with Ted Kennedy on the subject to “build the dang fence.” Now, I hope Jeb has more decency than that given that it’s an issue that hits home for him given his wife is an immigrant but pardon me if I am skeptical given how GOP politicians do pander.

30 ObserverArt  Apr 29, 2015 1:49:15pm

So, Jeb is taking a stand that pokes an eye into many a GOP current congressperson and in a way supports Obama’s Executive Order thinking.

I bet there are some major groans in the offices of Mitch McConnell and Johnny Boehner. I wonder if Jeb or anyone got a call from some of the current Clown Truck contingent? Something along the lines of “what are you doing to me?!”

This is fun. Please continue.

31 HappyWarrior  Apr 29, 2015 1:49:24pm

re: #28 EPR-radar

Huntsman also wanted no taxes on interest or capital gains. To the ninth circle of hell with that kind of ‘moderate Republican’.

Yes, there’s that too.

32 Amory Blaine  Apr 29, 2015 1:50:20pm

Seems like a good strategy. The RWNJ will not stay home, the world is ending doncha know. This could also peel some independents who pine for a saner GOP candidate.

33 Great White Snark  Apr 29, 2015 1:50:23pm

If we can’t use the term “moderate” in a sense relative to other candidates we should just delete the term from the books. Somebody get a note to Merriam Webster stat.

34 ObserverArt  Apr 29, 2015 1:50:49pm

re: #19 CuriousLurker

Wait—border governors? He was governor of Florida.

Damn right. Those East Coaster Snow Birds be all worried about those Georgians and Alabamians.

35 EPR-radar  Apr 29, 2015 1:51:37pm

re: #27 Great White Snark

If there is a topic among all the policies a candidate has, Jeb Bush is less of a problem on that than immigration I don’t know what it is.

In some sense, it doesn’t matter what Jeb Bush’s real views on immigration are, assuming normal levels of political expediency are present. The GOP base will not permit candidate Bush (or, God forbid, POTUS Bush) to deviate from GOP hardline orthodoxy on this subject.

36 CuriousLurker  Apr 29, 2015 1:53:00pm

re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth

Cuba. 70 miles away or something. Etc. Etc.

Yeah, I thought of that, but there’s a big difference between that and a land border that people can walk, drive, or quickly swim across.

37 Charles Johnson  Apr 29, 2015 1:53:02pm

re: #30 ObserverArt

It’s all kabuki theater. The GOP establishment is just fine with Jeb saying these things - he’s being positioned as the “moderate” candidate, which of course he IS NOT. But he wouldn’t have said this unless it was already approved by the good old boys.

38 ObserverArt  Apr 29, 2015 1:53:19pm

re: #23 Iwouldprefernotto

Still reading article and even more pissed off. The words “executive overreach” come to mind.

Hey, hey hey!!!

Only Obama is capable of executive overreach.

/

39 Great White Snark  Apr 29, 2015 1:53:26pm

re: #19 CuriousLurker

Right, sorry, it’s a short boat ride so they have very similar issues. Immigration issues good and bad as in the economic benefit on the upside and the controversies on the bad side. Just a bigger Rio Grande LOL at myself.

40 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 29, 2015 1:53:41pm

re: #15 Justanotherhuman

Meanwhile,

Refresh!

Hmm, where have we seen this before.

41 Charles Johnson  Apr 29, 2015 1:53:44pm
42 EPR-radar  Apr 29, 2015 1:54:04pm

re: #33 Great White Snark

If we can’t use the term “moderate” in a sense relative to other candidates we should just delete the term from the books. Somebody get a note to Merriam Webster stat.

“moderate GOPer” is sufficiently close to a contradiction in terms as to be essentially meaningless. So I agree that it is a pointless term to use in a political discussion.

43 Charles Johnson  Apr 29, 2015 1:54:47pm
44 De Kolta Chair  Apr 29, 2015 1:55:19pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

That’s how I felt about the so called moderate Huntsman. Guy still wanted to gut the EPA.

Naturally, he would. Huntsman is the skein of a very large chemical company.

45 Jenner7  Apr 29, 2015 1:55:41pm

re: #26 Justanotherhuman

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That’s all I got.

46 freetoken  Apr 29, 2015 1:55:41pm

re: #7 Justanotherhuman

Don’t worry. During the primaries the usual machinery will make sure everyone knows his wife is Mexican.

47 HappyWarrior  Apr 29, 2015 1:56:10pm

re: #44 De Kolta Chair

Naturally, he would. Huntsman is the skein of a very large chemical company.

Yeah he’s got his own interests. I didn’t know that though.

48 De Kolta Chair  Apr 29, 2015 1:57:27pm

re: #47 HappyWarrior

I wasn’t at all surprised that was rarely, if ever, mentioned by the press during the last GOP primaries.

49 ObserverArt  Apr 29, 2015 1:57:32pm

re: #33 Great White Snark

If we can’t use the term “moderate” in a sense relative to other candidates we should just delete the term from the books. Somebody get a note to Merriam Webster stat.

Better yet. Point us in the direction of the actual moderates.

Good luck!

/

50 Great White Snark  Apr 29, 2015 1:58:13pm

re: #42 EPR-radar

Except these are customarily conversation worth having without boxing in the meaning of words for political effect. That’s wrong. Nobody should let critics change the meaning of words. Kinda reminds me of the reaction I got from a couple folks when I pointed out Governor Jerry Browns economic conservative lifestyle, words and policies. Politics don’t define terms except in a self serving way.

51 HappyWarrior  Apr 29, 2015 1:58:36pm

re: #48 De Kolta Chair

I wasn’t at all surprised that was rarely, if ever, mentioned by the press during the last GOP primaries.

Given that the media didn’t say anything about Romney accusing POTUS of sympathy with the Benghazi attackers, nothing shocks me with what they omit these days.

52 TedStriker  Apr 29, 2015 2:01:06pm

re: #15 Justanotherhuman

Meanwhile,

Refresh!

Shades of Ferguson right there.

What in the fuck do these PDs do, after seeing what happens when other agencies go completely ham-fisted in their responses to people protesting cops killing people unnecessarily? Most of them appear to be working from the same goddamn playbook, completely disregarding the fucking messes that happened before, because they will brook no resistance to their authoritah.

53 freetoken  Apr 29, 2015 2:01:12pm

This is going to be quite the primary season.

With Running For President now edging into the reality TV genre, I think we could start off with at least a cast of two dozen.

54 Great White Snark  Apr 29, 2015 2:01:25pm

As long (if?) we are talking among GOP candidates, who is head and shoulders above Jeb on immigration? Pretend we have a police lineup of the GOP candidates. Let immigration advocates behind the two way mirror. Tell them they can eliminate all those except for one or two.

Who would be left? None is not an answer to this particular question.

55 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 2:01:28pm

re: #34 ObserverArt

Damn right. Those East Coaster Snow Birds be all worried about those Georgians and Alabamians.

Northern FL down to Central FL is already an AL/GA annex.

56 CuriousLurker  Apr 29, 2015 2:01:45pm

re: #33 Great White Snark

If we can’t use the term “moderate” in a sense relative to other candidates we should just delete the term from the books. Somebody get a note to Merriam Webster stat.

Yes, but the Overton window has shifted dramatically in the past 7 years.

57 EPR-radar  Apr 29, 2015 2:02:06pm

re: #50 Great White Snark

Except these are customarily conversation worth having without boxing in the meaning of words for political effect. That’s wrong. Nobody should let critics change the meaning of words. Kinda reminds me of the reaction I got from a couple folks when I pointed out Governor Jerry Browns economic conservative lifestyle, words and policies. Politics don’t define terms except in a self serving way.

I have a big problem when a whack job like Huntsman (no taxes on capital gains, etc.) is deemed a ‘moderate’ because the rest of the GOP 2012 crowd was more visibly extreme.

This game of deeming parts of the GOP to be ‘moderate’ in contradiction to reality is a propaganda ploy by the GOP I don’t intend to either fall for or support.

58 Targetpractice  Apr 29, 2015 2:02:09pm

re: #49 ObserverArt

Better yet. Point us in the direction of the actual moderates.

Good luck!

/

I was about to ask what exactly constitutes “moderation” in the modern GOP. Take Scott Walker, who once supported immigration reform, now going on Beck’s show to suggest we need to slow or stop legal immigration. He’s pitched as a “moderate.”

59 De Kolta Chair  Apr 29, 2015 2:03:02pm

re: #51 HappyWarrior

Given that the media didn’t say anything about Romney accusing POTUS of sympathy with the Benghazi attackers, nothing shocks me with what they omit these days.

The family chemical company probably would’ve become an issue if he’d gotten the nomination. And to go with that hallucination, I’m opening the first beer of this lovely sunny NYC day.

60 ObserverArt  Apr 29, 2015 2:03:31pm

re: #55 Justanotherhuman

Northern FL down to Central FL is already an AL/GA annex.

ENCROACHMENT!!!

61 EPR-radar  Apr 29, 2015 2:04:12pm

re: #58 Targetpractice

I was about to ask what exactly constitutes “moderation” in the modern GOP. Take Scott Walker, who once supported immigration reform, now going on Beck’s show to suggest we need to slow or stop legal immigration. He’s pitched as a “moderate.”

Walker is no moderate. Moderates don’t have gushing fan boys on RedState talking about the ‘mountain of skulls’ they have collected (in reference to Walker’s war on unions in Wisconsin).

62 lawhawk  Apr 29, 2015 2:05:12pm

I think the odds of ppl like Christie are even worse than that, given the guilty plea for Wildstein, the pending indictments for others in Bridgegate, and the fact that NJ’s economy remains in shambles even as rest of nation sees economic growth, job growth, and improved economic outlook.

63 HappyWarrior  Apr 29, 2015 2:05:54pm

re: #58 Targetpractice

I was about to ask what exactly constitutes “moderation” in the modern GOP. Take Scott Walker, who once supported immigration reform, now going on Beck’s show to suggest we need to slow or stop legal immigration. He’s pitched as a “moderate.”

And Wisconsin by the way is a border state. Anyhow, yeah Jeb does have a record of being moderate on this issue. That much is true but I think we have earned and deserve the right ot be skeptical of him given how supposed moderates have shifted on issues like this in the past. And I believe some months back Charles had a page showing Jeb doing exactly this on this very issue. I believe it was around the president’s immigration executive order.

64 #FergusonFireside  Apr 29, 2015 2:06:22pm

re: #26 Justanotherhuman

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I don’t have sound, what happened?

65 De Kolta Chair  Apr 29, 2015 2:06:58pm

re: #62 lawhawk

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I think the odds of ppl like Christie are even worse than that, given the guilty plea for Wildstein, the pending indictments for others in Bridgegate, and the fact that NJ’s economy remains in shambles even as rest of nation sees economic growth, job growth, and improved economic outlook.

Trust the Economist to put the one with the Irish name at the end of the list. //

66 HappyWarrior  Apr 29, 2015 2:07:08pm

re: #61 EPR-radar

Walker is no moderate. Moderates don’t have gushing fan boys on RedState talking about the ‘mountain of skulls’ they have collected (in reference to Walker’s war on unions in Wisconsin).

Moderate is frankly noting but a relative term. I’m moderate if I’m with a group of socialists. I’m a liberal if I’m with a bunch of centrists. And I’m an extremist near socialist if I’m with a bunch of communists.

67 Iwouldprefernotto  Apr 29, 2015 2:07:24pm

re: #23 Iwouldprefernotto

Still reading article and even more pissed off. The words “executive overreach” come to mind.

Read entire article on
Jeb and Terry Schiavo

this is the killer quote.

Bush read the autopsy—then wrote a letter to the top prosecutor in Pinellas County. He raised questions about Michael Schiavo’s involvement in her collapse and about the quickness of his response calling 911. “I urge you,” the governor wrote to Bernie McCabe, “to take a fresh look at this case without any preconceptions as to the outcome.”

If he gets the nomination, i want to publish this article far and wide. He’s a stubborn ass like his brother.

68 ObserverArt  Apr 29, 2015 2:07:59pm

re: #54 Great White Snark

As long (if?) we are talking among GOP candidates, who is head and shoulders above Jeb on immigration? Pretend we have a police lineup of the GOP candidates. Let immigration advocates behind the two way mirror. Tell them they can eliminate all those except for one or two.

Who would be left? None is not an answer to this particular question.

Since you like ‘what ifs’ even if Jeb is moderate on immigration, how does it play with the main GOP congress people and can he actually do anything legislatively about immigration with the current congress and GOP thinking?

And if the current GOP mob that actually votes doesn’t want this type of moderation, what chances does Jeb have to actually get elected?

I think in the current political climate, being a GOP moderate is a political death sentence.

69 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 2:08:01pm

re: #64 #FergusonFireside

I don’t have sound, what happened?

Evidently, it sounded as though the guy was saying “I can’t breathe, I can’t breathe” as the cops had their knees and weight on his back and then his neck.

70 HappyWarrior  Apr 29, 2015 2:08:07pm

re: #67 Iwouldprefernotto

Read entire article.

this is the killer quote.

Bush read the autopsy—then wrote a letter to the top prosecutor in Pinellas County. He raised questions about Michael Schiavo’s involvement in her collapse and about the quickness of his response calling 911. “I urge you,” the governor wrote to Bernie McCabe, “to take a fresh look at this case without any preconceptions as to the outcome.”

If he gets the nomination, i want to publish this article far and wide. He’s a stubborn ass like his brother.

The way he and Terri’s parents dragged Michael’s name through the mud was disgusting. The guy got death threats because of that shit.

71 Great White Snark  Apr 29, 2015 2:08:08pm

re: #56 CuriousLurker

Yes, but the Overton window has shifted dramatically in the past 7 years.

Indeed. Had time to look back on that last few days. As a moderate guy and a firm indy, well bandwagon views just don’t sit well with me. That’s prolly gonna test the patience of some left leaning friends this time around. And enrage a couple right wing pals. But hey so be it. I do my best to approach any election a step back from the parties, honestly, watching actions and records and pretty much ignoring road to the WH rhetoric. from Jeb, Rand and indeed Hilary.

72 freetoken  Apr 29, 2015 2:08:09pm

re: #62 lawhawk

Mark Burnett could only hope to have such a cast of characters.

73 EPR-radar  Apr 29, 2015 2:09:12pm

re: #54 Great White Snark

As long (if?) we are talking among GOP candidates, who is head and shoulders above Jeb on immigration? Pretend we have a police lineup of the GOP candidates. Let immigration advocates behind the two way mirror. Tell them they can eliminate all those except for one or two.

Who would be left? None is not an answer to this particular question.

What on earth is wrong with ‘none’ as an answer to the question posed? The parties are far enough apart on this issue (as on most issues) that party affiliation really is the only relevant piece of information for activists pro and con.

The public conversation I’d really like to have about US politics would focus on how so many people who are not themselves bigots, cranks and wingnuts consistently vote for the party of bigots, cranks and wingnuts.

This conversation doesn’t get off the ground if the media persists in fostering the illusion that ‘moderate Republicans’ exist.

74 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 2:09:23pm

re: #62 lawhawk

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I think the odds of ppl like Christie are even worse than that, given the guilty plea for Wildstein, the pending indictments for others in Bridgegate, and the fact that NJ’s economy remains in shambles even as rest of nation sees economic growth, job growth, and improved economic outlook.

Seems as though The Economist is taking a very shallow look at these candidates. Have some of them even announced yet?

75 HappyWarrior  Apr 29, 2015 2:10:04pm

Moderate Republicans do exist. They just stopped calling themselves Republicans.

76 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 29, 2015 2:10:15pm

Bush can take this stand on immigration and run with it. He has the experience, the organization and the money behind him to easily afford to let the real loonies take states like South Carolina in the primaries and still steamroll them overall. Will it suppress the Republican vote in the General Election? Someone remind me how Mitt Romney’s religion suppressed the Republican vote in 2012.

77 Iwouldprefernotto  Apr 29, 2015 2:10:59pm

re: #70 HappyWarrior

The way he and Terri’s parents dragged Michael’s name through the mud was disgusting. The guy got death threats because of that shit.

The even threatened his children*

of course it must have been liberals making the threats because right wringers never do.

78 CuriousLurker  Apr 29, 2015 2:11:26pm

re: #39 Great White Snark

Right, sorry, it’s a short boat ride so they have very similar issues. Immigration issues good and bad as in the economic benefit on the upside and the controversies on the bad side. Just a bigger Rio Grande LOL at myself.

I tend to confuse Jeb with his brother too, heh.

The immigration issues WRT Cubans are quite different IMO, first and foremost because our relationship with Cuba is very different from that of Mexico. Ditto for imigration policy—vastly different.

79 HappyWarrior  Apr 29, 2015 2:12:43pm

re: #77 Iwouldprefernotto

The even threatened his children*

of course it must have been liberals making the threats because right wringers never do.

Yeah, they threatened his kids too. But yeah of course. You know us liberals, George Soros and Saul Alinsky told us form beyond the grave no less to threaten the Schiavo kids and pretend to be conservatives while we did it. All the while we took money from the government. Bwahahhaha.

80 Targetpractice  Apr 29, 2015 2:13:33pm

If Jeb took himself out of contention and then said stuff like this, I might take him at his word and view him as a “moderate.” But he’s in contention, he’s trying to win a segment of the vote that others are ignoring or pushing away, and I just can’t take anything he says seriously.

81 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 2:14:35pm

Woah.

82 HappyWarrior  Apr 29, 2015 2:14:39pm

re: #78 CuriousLurker

I end to confuse Jeb with his brother too, heh.

The immigration issues WRT Cubans are quite different IMO, first and foremost because our relationship with Cuba is very different from that of Mexico. Ditto for imigration policy—vastly different.

Our economic relationship with Cuba was non-existent until very recent. Now granted there is the DR, Haiti, and Jamaica too and as I said Florida does have a higher immigrant population than many states including some border states. What troubles me about Jeb is the guy hasn’t been in any sort of political office since before 2006. And yes that would worry me about a Democrat too which is why you never saw me jump on the Al Gore 2008 bandwagon.

83 lawhawk  Apr 29, 2015 2:14:43pm

re: #74 Justanotherhuman

Think it’s based on those who have already declared, are likely to declare, or are stalking about to raise their visibility for speaking engagements.

For instance, Graham has said he’s thought of running. King has declared. Pataki has also heard the calling.

84 freetoken  Apr 29, 2015 2:14:58pm

re: #80 Targetpractice

He’s trying to carry his own state of Florida. If Jeb has any chance of a political future he as to at least carry Florida.

85 Great White Snark  Apr 29, 2015 2:15:01pm

re: #68 ObserverArt

Since you like ‘what ifs’ even if Jeb is moderate on immigration, how does it play with the main GOP congress people and can he actually do anything legislatively about immigration with the current congress and GOP thinking?

And if the current GOP mob that actually votes doesn’t want this type of moderation, what chances does Jeb have to actually get elected?

I think in the current political climate, being a GOP moderate is a political death sentence.

It might be. Probably so. And that’s a better man than the guy that rolls over for the Tea Party. I hope he stays that course but that’s not so I can vote him, I think that’s the better example to set.

86 Great White Snark  Apr 29, 2015 2:15:54pm

re: #73 EPR-radar

Because the question is deliberately focused on the GOP. What’s wrong with that?

87 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 2:15:58pm
88 HappyWarrior  Apr 29, 2015 2:16:21pm

It’s well to point out that Jeb is homophobic as well in his record so if you’re gay and have an immigrant partner, tough shit to you says Jeb.

89 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 2:16:46pm

{sigh}

So much obeying, so little time.

90 lawhawk  Apr 29, 2015 2:17:50pm

re: #87 Justanotherhuman

91 Great White Snark  Apr 29, 2015 2:18:38pm

re: #78 CuriousLurker

I so should have said immigration state not border. Hmm was that dumb mistake because fact I have had zero solid food since Saturday? No, thought through slow typed too fast. I think i’ll go get another Ensure now.

92 HappyWarrior  Apr 29, 2015 2:18:46pm

re: #90 lawhawk

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I think they’re trying to intimidate.

93 lawhawk  Apr 29, 2015 2:20:23pm

re: #92 HappyWarrior

That’s exactly how I read that.

94 Nyet  Apr 29, 2015 2:21:04pm
95 CuriousLurker  Apr 29, 2015 2:21:56pm

re: #91 Great White Snark

E gad, go make a sandwich or something!

96 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 2:22:06pm

More disinformation?

97 De Kolta Chair  Apr 29, 2015 2:22:22pm

NY Times: Jean Nidetch, 91, Dies; Eyeing Her Girth, She Helped Start Weight Watchers

Say what you will about her company, but in some ways she was a game-changer.

98 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 29, 2015 2:22:28pm

re: #87 Justanotherhuman

Example #834 in not getting it.

99 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 29, 2015 2:22:40pm

re: #90 lawhawk

These people…..

100 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 2:22:57pm
101 GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 29, 2015 2:23:05pm

Don’t break the law, and you won’t get shot.

Ok. Fair enough.

And what if it’s the cops breaking the law?

102 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 29, 2015 2:23:28pm

re: #94 Nyet

His page needs just one more downding to disappear from the pages list.

103 HappyWarrior  Apr 29, 2015 2:23:44pm

Video
I love Larry Whitmore.

104 Kragar  Apr 29, 2015 2:23:49pm

re: #96 Justanotherhuman

105 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 29, 2015 2:24:00pm

re: #96 Justanotherhuman

More disinformation?

Actually Freddy Gray was already dead before the cops started chasing him.

/

106 HappyWarrior  Apr 29, 2015 2:24:32pm

re: #104 Kragar

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Just a cocidink.

107 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 29, 2015 2:24:55pm

re: #104 Kragar

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zombies!!!

108 Nyet  Apr 29, 2015 2:25:02pm

re: #96 Justanotherhuman

More disinformation?

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Well, if true, they should have been super-careful with him, much more careful than with a healthy person. It’s not an exculpating info, quite the opposite…

109 Timothy Watson  Apr 29, 2015 2:25:35pm

re: #105 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Actually Freddy Gray was already dead before the cops started chasing him.

/

I read it on the Internet, it must be true.

110 Great White Snark  Apr 29, 2015 2:25:50pm

re: #95 CuriousLurker

E gad, go make a sandwich or something!

No can do quite yet. But when I get healthy I am going to throw a two pit BBQ that may upset the SoCal Air Quality Management Board. One BBQ for us meat eaters, one for the vegan/Kosher/halal pals.

Never ever try the pneumonia diet. You lose 5 lb a day.

111 HappyWarrior  Apr 29, 2015 2:26:02pm

re: #108 Nyet

Well, if true, they should have been super-careful with him, much more careful than with a healthy person. It’s not an exculpating info, quite the opposite…

They shouldn’t be doing the nickel riding period.

112 Nyet  Apr 29, 2015 2:26:12pm

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ta da.

113 Great White Snark  Apr 29, 2015 2:29:24pm

Funniest comment I ever saw in one of my Pages. Well done De Kolta Chair

littlegreenfootballs.com

114 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 29, 2015 2:29:32pm

re: #94 Nyet

IT’S ALIVE! Oy.

It can die in a fire.

115 iossarian  Apr 29, 2015 2:29:33pm

re: #105 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Actually Freddy Gray was already dead before the cops started chasing him.

/

I heard he had an orbital fracture.

116 CuriousLurker  Apr 29, 2015 2:29:49pm

re: #100 Justanotherhuman

Detention-without-charge is legal, even for 24 hours? WTF? Image, just imagine, if POTUS was calling a state of emergency somewhere and doing the same thing…

117 HappyWarrior  Apr 29, 2015 2:29:57pm

re: #115 iossarian

I heard he had an orbital fracture.

University of Iowa.

118 HappyWarrior  Apr 29, 2015 2:30:47pm

re: #116 CuriousLurker

Detention-without-charge is legal, even for 24 hours? WTF? Image, just imagine, if POTUS was calling a state of emergency somewhere and doing the same thing…

Yeah yikes.

119 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 29, 2015 2:30:54pm

re: #116 CuriousLurker

Detention-without-charge is legal, even for 24 hours? WTF? Image, just imagine, if POTUS was calling a state of emergency somewhere and doing the same thing…

Extended to 48 hours as part of the State of Emergency declared by the Gov.

120 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 2:31:03pm

This is kind of surreal after the last few days of cops cars, armored Humvees and other crap the cops used in #Baltimore.

121 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 29, 2015 2:31:06pm

perhaps mr bush is less than enthusiastic about accepting the republic party nomination

122 thedopefishlives  Apr 29, 2015 2:32:09pm

Evening Lizardim. What new crazy has happened since last we spoke?

123 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 29, 2015 2:33:19pm

tsk tsk tsk what will happen to the gop if they fail to nominate the jeb?

124 Iwouldprefernotto  Apr 29, 2015 2:33:33pm

From Slate

slate.com”>Twitter at the Crossroads

They are really good at losing money. Would like to blame CCJ

125 De Kolta Chair  Apr 29, 2015 2:33:48pm

re: #7 Justanotherhuman

She is said to be a very devout Catholic, and no doubt is the reason he converted.

That would explain why he’s already chosen his Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services:

126 iossarian  Apr 29, 2015 2:34:21pm

re: #122 thedopefishlives

Evening Lizardim. What new crazy has happened since last we spoke?

Baltimore PD twitter-bot is channeling Pravda.

127 thedopefishlives  Apr 29, 2015 2:36:22pm

re: #126 iossarian

Baltimore PD twitter-bot is channeling Pravda.

My policeman brother-in-law’s wife posted a “POLICE ARE PEOPLE TOO HURR HURR” meme on her Facebook the other day. No one here is claiming they aren’t, only that perhaps they shouldn’t brutalize people who don’t actually pose a threat.

128 ObserverArt  Apr 29, 2015 2:36:53pm

re: #122 thedopefishlives

Evening Lizardim. What new crazy has happened since last we spoke?

UFOs above Colorado!!!

Again.

129 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 2:36:59pm
130 Jenner7  Apr 29, 2015 2:37:03pm
131 Nyet  Apr 29, 2015 2:37:48pm

re: #125 De Kolta Chair

That would explain why he’s already chosen his Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services:

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Kurt Cobain is a good choice.

132 Bubblehead II  Apr 29, 2015 2:37:59pm

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

His page needs just one more downding to disappear from the pages list.

Done.

133 De Kolta Chair  Apr 29, 2015 2:39:28pm

re: #129 Justanotherhuman

Holy holograms, I’m speechless.

134 darthstar  Apr 29, 2015 2:40:00pm

re: #123 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

tsk tsk tsk what will happen to the gop if they fail to nominate the jeb?

The same thing that will happen if they do - they’ll lose the Presidential election.

135 BeachDem  Apr 29, 2015 2:40:03pm

re: #67 Iwouldprefernotto

Read entire article on
Jeb and Terry Schiavo

this is the killer quote.

Bush read the autopsy—then wrote a letter to the top prosecutor in Pinellas County. He raised questions about Michael Schiavo’s involvement in her collapse and about the quickness of his response calling 911. “I urge you,” the governor wrote to Bernie McCabe, “to take a fresh look at this case without any preconceptions as to the outcome.”

If he gets the nomination, i want to publish this article far and wide. He’s a stubborn ass like his brother.

Let us not forget the other woman in Jeb’s past—Katherine Harris. Until she was cast aside as no longer useful to the Bush brothers, she was quite the little helper—purging voter roles in Florida, aiding and abetting the Bushies. Rumors of the Jeb/Katherine affair aside, I’d say she’s quite a large skeleton in his closet.

136 HappyWarrior  Apr 29, 2015 2:40:20pm

re: #127 thedopefishlives

My policeman brother-in-law’s wife posted a “POLICE ARE PEOPLE TOO HURR HURR” meme on her Facebook the other day. No one here is claiming they aren’t, only that perhaps they shouldn’t brutalize people who don’t actually pose a threat.

I’m tired of that nonsense. Yeah police are people too. They shouldn’t be above the law or above reproach from criticism. I hear from people like your bil “Oh the police have a tough job so go easy on them. You don’t know what it’s like blah blah.” And yes I don’t knwo what it’s like and they ado have a stressful job but they still have an oath that they took as officers of the law and they shouldn’t be above the law when it comes to killing people. It’s an absolute travesty of justice that officers that kill unarmed people are seldom indicted since prosecutors are like Robert McCulloch and instead of seeing them as representatives of the people in their counties see themselves as the police’s buddy in a sports coat and tie.

137 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 2:40:34pm

I don’t care what they say, #Baltimore is occupied, y’all.

138 Nyet  Apr 29, 2015 2:42:41pm

The police are people too, which is why the question of the corrupt cop culture is not out of bounds.

When a “respectable” - and surely not the worst - cop publishes sociopathic crap like this, one has to wonder.

139 Great White Snark  Apr 29, 2015 2:42:44pm

re: #116 CuriousLurker

$500,000 bail for rioting or breaking curfew? That pretty clearly takes the reasonable out of reasonable bail.

140 thedopefishlives  Apr 29, 2015 2:43:18pm

re: #136 HappyWarrior

My brother-in-law is a decent, upstanding police officer in a decent, upstanding community with little history of police abuse. He doesn’t understand that there are places in this country where hating black people is a job requirement to be on the police force. Even in the relatively mild downtown environs of the Twin Cities, we have had racially charged officer-involved incidents.

141 HappyWarrior  Apr 29, 2015 2:43:27pm

re: #139 Great White Snark

$500,000 bail for rioting or breaking curfew? That pretty clearly takes the reasonable out of reasonable bail.

Yeah definitely. I hope someone does sue.

142 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 2:43:49pm

re: #130 Jenner7

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Yeah, consider the source—FReeperville.

143 thedopefishlives  Apr 29, 2015 2:44:37pm

re: #137 Justanotherhuman

Seeing photos from the completely unattended Orioles-White Sox game today really kind of brought it home to me. It was real.

144 HappyWarrior  Apr 29, 2015 2:44:43pm

re: #140 thedopefishlives

My brother-in-law is a decent, upstanding police officer in a decent, upstanding community with little history of police abuse. He doesn’t understand that there are places in this country where hating black people is a job requirement to be on the police force. Even in the relatively mild downtown environs of the Twin Cities, we have had racially charged officer-involved incidents.

Yeah I am sure he’s a good guy. It’s just that too many don’t understand that there are bigots on police forces. Hell that one town n Florida had the sheriff I think exposed as a klan member.

145 darthstar  Apr 29, 2015 2:45:02pm

I hope he sings like a motherfucker to get a reduced sentence.

146 teleskiguy  Apr 29, 2015 2:45:19pm

The junior tea bag Senator from Arkansas is an asshole, ahistorical and a bully.

147 Nyet  Apr 29, 2015 2:45:51pm

Among some people the Cult of the Cop is as strong as the Cult of the Troops. Both cults are pernicious and creepy.

148 HappyWarrior  Apr 29, 2015 2:45:53pm

re: #130 Jenner7

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Saw the SPLC post a debunking of this earlier. Thanks. Going to mention it if someone tries to claim it though my point will be that these nickel rides are shti anyhow.

149 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 2:46:16pm

re: #145 darthstar

I hope he sings like a motherfucker to get a reduced sentence.

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I hope Wildstein—and the others—sing like fucking canaries.

150 ObserverArt  Apr 29, 2015 2:46:57pm

Time for dinner. Back later.

In the meantime, I will also be pondering Baltimore and why so much that has been revealed this week makes me wonder why law and order conservatives seem to have their own problems with following laws and keeping order in their own ranks.

151 teleskiguy  Apr 29, 2015 2:47:05pm

re: #147 Nyet

152 HappyWarrior  Apr 29, 2015 2:47:07pm

re: #146 teleskiguy

The junior tea bag Senator from Arkansas is an asshole, ahistorical and a bully.

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This is a U.S SEnator? Egads and hey Tom, where’s your contempt to people like Cheney, your war mongreling friend Kristol who actually did chicken out of service during Vietnam? And what do you say to your fellow vets who find your actions disgusting.

153 Nyet  Apr 29, 2015 2:47:32pm

re: #125 De Kolta Chair

Crazy eyes, BTW.

154 wrenchwench  Apr 29, 2015 2:47:49pm
155 Targetpractice  Apr 29, 2015 2:48:52pm

re: #146 teleskiguy

The junior tea bag Senator from Arkansas is an asshole, ahistorical and a bully.

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Were I Zarif, I’d respond back openly telling Tom Fuckhead that if he wants a debate on the “tyranny, treachery, & terror” records of Iran and the US, I’m game. But I’m not going to show up just to have some little shitheel whose understanding of foreign policy could be written on a notecard lecture to me about how “horrible” my country is.

156 BeachDem  Apr 29, 2015 2:50:07pm

re: #96 Justanotherhuman

More disinformation?

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Wingnuts were pounding that last night—according to this report—it’s BUNK.

Those reports — which raise questions about the injury that led to his death in April 19 — point to Howard County court records as proof.

But court records examined Wednesday by The Baltimore Sun show the case had nothing to do with a car accident or a spine injury. Instead, they are connected to a lawsuit alleging that Gray and his sister were injured by exposure lead paint.

wonkette.com

157 Great White Snark  Apr 29, 2015 2:50:27pm

Really glad DARPA is on our side… I’m remembering an old crappy movie with Tom Selleck.

WATCH DARPA’S ‘MAGIC’ BULLET SWERVE TO CORRECT ITS COURSE

Fortunately it will be a while before cops get these bullets.

158 Targetpractice  Apr 29, 2015 2:51:11pm

re: #130 Jenner7

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Like I noted last night, even if Gray had a pre-existing injury, the “eggshell skull rule” would be in effect. You can’t argue in court that you had no idea that the guy you killed by first tackling him to the ground and then bouncing him around in the back of a van was previously injured. You take him as you found him.

159 De Kolta Chair  Apr 29, 2015 2:51:21pm

re: #113 Great White Snark

Funniest comment I ever saw in one of my Pages. Well done De Kolta Chair

Glad ya liked it!

160 teleskiguy  Apr 29, 2015 2:53:04pm

That “Iraq-Iran war” Sen. Cotton (R-Hazzard County) referenced when calling Javad Zarif a coward for “hiding out in the U.S. in his 20s,” who gave Iraq billions of dollars in military aid to fight Iran? I’ll wait.

161 HappyWarrior  Apr 29, 2015 2:53:47pm

re: #158 Targetpractice

Like I noted last night, even if Gray had a pre-existing injury, the “eggshell skull rule” would be in effect. You can’t argue in court that you had no idea that the guy you killed by first tackling him to the ground and then bouncing him around in the back of a van was previously injured. You take him as you found him.

It’s kind of like how President Garfield’s killer tried to blame the doctors for President Garfield’s death. Really pathetic if you ask me.

162 De Kolta Chair  Apr 29, 2015 2:53:56pm

re: #151 teleskiguy

Antonin Scalia @SCOTUS

Support the police

Support Dredd Scott, not so much.

163 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 2:54:11pm

re: #152 HappyWarrior

This is a U.S SEnator? Egads and hey Tom, where’s your contempt to people like Cheney, your war mongreling friend Kristol who actually did chicken out of service during Vietnam? And what do you say to your fellow vets who find your actions disgusting.

Yeah, the quality of senators is slowly being eroded by asshats like him. The damage was done long ago in the House.

164 wrenchwench  Apr 29, 2015 2:54:36pm

“NM True” is a slogan of the state’s tourism dept.

165 Decatur Deb  Apr 29, 2015 2:57:10pm

NASA has posted what it considers the ‘official’ Hubble 25th anniversary photo. Makes a very nice desktop.

space.com

166 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 29, 2015 2:57:17pm
167 Kragar  Apr 29, 2015 2:57:53pm

re: #146 teleskiguy

And in the other corner:

168 Nyet  Apr 29, 2015 2:58:14pm

re: #146 teleskiguy

Normally I would say that they both should go to hell, but since Zarif is at least useful at the moment, he can go there after Tommy-boy.

169 HappyWarrior  Apr 29, 2015 2:58:46pm

re: #163 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, the quality of senators is slowly being eroded by asshats like him. The damage was done long ago in the House.

The House being it’s so much bigger is easier open to crazies like GOHMERT!, Steve King, Steve Stockman, Michele Bachmann. A little harder in the Senate since it’s a whole state

170 darthstar  Apr 29, 2015 2:58:56pm

re: #146 teleskiguy

The junior tea bag Senator from Arkansas is an asshole, ahistorical and a bully.

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I really dislike Tom Cotton.

171 HappyWarrior  Apr 29, 2015 2:59:26pm

re: #167 Kragar

And in the other corner:

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I really admire the hell out of her and I would love to see her as the next senator from Illinois.

172 Great White Snark  Apr 29, 2015 3:01:35pm

re: #73 EPR-radar

This conversation doesn’t get off the ground if the media persists in fostering the illusion that ‘moderate Republicans’ exist.

Er, there can’t be conversations about a particular party primary? Don’t get that at all.

173 Jenner7  Apr 29, 2015 3:01:49pm
174 HappyWarrior  Apr 29, 2015 3:02:25pm

re: #173 Jenner7

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Get that man a Boh and a Crabcake sandwich on the double.

175 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 3:04:23pm

re: #164 wrenchwench

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“NM True” is a slogan of the state’s tourism dept.

Sad, but a crime of opportunity, the thief probably didn’t know whose car it was. Sometimes, when I take the Munchkin to the park, I leave mine in the trunk and lock the car. There’s nothing else valuable in the car, and I can even see the car from where we usually are.

Never, ever leave valuables in plain sight.

176 teleskiguy  Apr 29, 2015 3:04:40pm

re: #170 darthstar

I really dislike Tom Cotton.

So polite here! But on Twitter,

Twitter has coarsened the discourse, hasn’t it?

177 Nyet  Apr 29, 2015 3:05:33pm

re: #166 klys (maker of Silmarils)

He didn’t add “Kinder, Küche, Kirche”?

178 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 3:05:45pm

re: #169 HappyWarrior

The House being it’s so much bigger is easier open to crazies like GOHMERT!, Steve King, Steve Stockman, Michele Bachmann. A little harder in the Senate since it’s a whole state

But there appear to be states where there’s a whole lot of crazy, too, even if they only get 2 senators.

179 De Kolta Chair  Apr 29, 2015 3:06:34pm

NY Times: Supreme Court Upholds Limit on Judicial Fund-Raising

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Wednesday ruled that states may prohibit judicial candidates from personally asking their supporters for campaign contributions. The vote was 5 to 4, with Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. joining the court’s four-member liberal wing to form a majority.

In dissent, Justice Antonin Scalia said the decision was a disguised attack on judicial elections that “flattens one settled First Amendment principle after another.”

180 HappyWarrior  Apr 29, 2015 3:06:59pm

re: #178 Justanotherhuman

But there appear to be states where there’s a whole lot of crazy, too, even if they only get 2 senators.

Yeah that’s part of why it doesn’t surprise me anymore.

181 HappyWarrior  Apr 29, 2015 3:08:05pm

re: #179 De Kolta Chair

NY Times: Supreme Court Upholds Limit on Judicial Fund-Raising

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Wednesday ruled that states may prohibit judicial candidates from personally asking their supporters for campaign contributions. The vote was 5 to 4, with Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. joining the court’s four-member liberal wing to form a majority.

In dissent, Justice Antonin Scalia said the decision was a disguised attack on judicial elections that “flattens one settled First Amendment principle after another.”

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I really don’t like the money = speech argument because it implies to me more money = more speech and that’s not democratic. I don’t like judicial elections in the first place honestly though.

182 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 29, 2015 3:08:17pm

re: #172 Great White Snark

Er, there can’t be conversations about a particular party primary? Don’t get that at all.

The conversation EPR was referring to was the one mentioned in his previous paragraph, about how we as a country need to have a conversation about how people who are supposedly not racists, bigots, and nutcases keep voting for them.

183 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 3:13:43pm

re: #165 Decatur Deb

NASA has posted what it considers the ‘official’ Hubble 25th anniversary photo. Makes a very nice desktop.

space.com

I’m always in awe of Hubble’s amazing journey and the technology that made it possible.

184 Dave In Austin  Apr 29, 2015 3:14:19pm
185 Amory Blaine  Apr 29, 2015 3:14:56pm

Lots of cash available for occupation, nothing productive though. How about bringing in the national guard once(?) a year to actually help the community. Nope. No money for that.

186 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 3:16:38pm

Lots of other photos and vines over at her acct.

187 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 3:18:35pm
188 Great White Snark  Apr 29, 2015 3:18:44pm

re: #182 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The conversation EPR was referring to was the one mentioned in his previous paragraph, about how we as a country need to have a conversation about how people who are supposedly not racists, bigots, and nutcases keep voting for them.

Yes of course. Thing is, these things really need not be exclusive. The answer “none” bears a logic problem with the premise of the question.Think I saw that answer coming maybe? A point that I will repeat. “Moderate” is a legitimate term in a relative use. For all an election can do, it’s rhetoric does not give the critics special powers over our language. Not even the ones with a good point to make.

189 Amory Blaine  Apr 29, 2015 3:19:04pm

re: #176 teleskiguy

Ha! Those would make great song lyrics.
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190 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 3:20:22pm

re: #185 Amory Blaine

191 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 3:22:22pm

In solidarity with #Baltimore

192 Amory Blaine  Apr 29, 2015 3:23:03pm

re: #190 Justanotherhuman

They should be carrying nail guns, on their way to build some community centers.

193 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 3:24:02pm
194 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 3:25:11pm
195 Great White Snark  Apr 29, 2015 3:28:27pm

deleted.

BBL folks.

196 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 29, 2015 3:28:35pm

re: #188 Great White Snark

Yes of course. Thing is, these things really need not be exclusive. The answer “none” bears a logic problem with the premise of the question.Think I saw that answer coming maybe? A point that I will repeat. “Moderate” is a legitimate term in a relative use. For all an election can do, it’s rhetoric does not give the critics special powers over our language. Not even the ones with a good point to make.

I’m really not sure what the point of your question was. Most immigration activists - the people you wanted to select the “least bad” option in the question you posed - aren’t going to vote in the Republican primary anyway. Why should they? As a whole the party is anti-immigrant. The activists’ time and effort are better spent working with politicians who are actually going to care about what they have to say, as opposed to only caring about them for their vote but being willing to drop them like a hot potato if necessary to cater to the crazies, who matter an awful lot in the primaries.

Which was EPR’s point. Sure, say Jeb isn’t as extreme on immigration as, say, Steve King. But if Steve King (and people like him) are the ones writing the immigration portion of the GOP party platform, I’m not sure what difference Jeb’s so-called moderation makes. On the flip side, casting him a “moderate” in the sense that he is more “centrist” (hahahahaha, oh man) distracts the conversation from the fact that the Republican party has moved so far to the right that they’re off in the fucking weeds. That’s the issue I think EPR was getting at.

197 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 3:32:11pm
198 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 3:33:13pm
199 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 29, 2015 3:34:21pm

Not big enough to be called a “creek” or “crick”, here we call it a “branch”.
Still a nice bit of a water feature that makes a nice burbling sound, on the way to the barn:

200 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 3:34:30pm
201 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 29, 2015 3:35:27pm

After some thought I concluded that I don’t care why Bush took this stand on immigration. He came out against the xenophobes. To me that’s a good thing.

202 Single-handed sailor  Apr 29, 2015 3:39:18pm

re: #199 Backwoods_Sleuth

in California that’s “A creek, with water in it!”

203 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 29, 2015 3:40:17pm

Looks like I’ve adopted a stray cat. It is obviously my magickal life-affirming spiritual aura that attracted the little creature. That and the food I set out. Free food is the universal language.

204 Nyet  Apr 29, 2015 3:40:57pm

re: #203 Shiplord Kirel

Photos or didn’t happen! ///

205 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 29, 2015 3:41:26pm

re: #203 Shiplord Kirel

Looks like I’ve adopted a stray cat. It is obviously my magickal life-affirming spiritual aura that attracted the little creature. That and the food I set out. Free food is the universal language.

I demand pictures.

206 EPR-radar  Apr 29, 2015 3:41:31pm

re: #161 HappyWarrior

It’s kind of like how President Garfield’s killer tried to blame the doctors for President Garfield’s death. Really pathetic if you ask me.

Although that was a pathetic move by the killer, it may well have been true.

Most historians and medical experts now believe that Garfield probably would have survived his wound had the doctors attending him been more capable.[48][49] Unfortunately for Garfield, most American doctors of the day did not believe in anti-sepsis measures or the need for cleanliness to prevent infection.[50] Several inserted their unsterilized fingers into the wound to probe for the bullet, and one doctor punctured Garfield’s liver in doing so. Also, self-appointed chief physician D. Willard Bliss had supplanted Garfield’s usual physician, Jedediah Hyde Baxter. Bliss and the other doctors who attended Garfield had guessed wrong about the path of the bullet in Garfield’s body. They had erroneously probed rightward into Garfield’s back instead of leftward, missing the location of the bullet but creating a new channel which filled with pus. The autopsy not only discovered this error but revealed pneumonia in both lungs and a body that was filled with pus due to uncontrolled septicemia.[51]

en.wikipedia.org

207 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 3:43:07pm

re: #199 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh my, is that goldenrod?

208 Kragar  Apr 29, 2015 3:43:53pm
209 Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 29, 2015 3:45:22pm

re: #208 Kragar

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Well, i suppose they could just say “NO!”

210 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 3:45:32pm
211 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 29, 2015 3:46:27pm

re: #202 Single-handed sailor

in California that’s “A creek, with water in it!”

:D

212 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 3:46:40pm

Future doctor, I hope.

213 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 3:48:35pm
214 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 29, 2015 3:49:14pm

re: #204 Nyet

Photos or didn’t happen! ///

Blurry Piglet agrees!

Pictures! We Require Pictures!
215 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 29, 2015 3:49:35pm

re: #207 Justanotherhuman

Oh my, is that goldenrod?

No, it’s wild mustard.

216 EPR-radar  Apr 29, 2015 3:52:37pm

re: #196 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m really not sure what the point of your question was. Most immigration activists - the people you wanted to select the “least bad” option in the question you posed - aren’t going to vote in the Republican primary anyway. Why should they? As a whole the party is anti-immigrant. The activists’ time and effort are better spent working with politicians who are actually going to care about what they have to say, as opposed to only caring about them for their vote but being willing to drop them like a hot potato if necessary to cater to the crazies, who matter an awful lot in the primaries.

Which was EPR’s point. Sure, say Jeb isn’t as extreme on immigration as, say, Steve King. But if Steve King (and people like him) are the ones writing the immigration portion of the GOP party platform, I’m not sure what difference Jeb’s so-called moderation makes. On the flip side, casting him a “moderate” in the sense that he is more “centrist” (hahahahaha, oh man) distracts the conversation from the fact that the Republican party has moved so far to the right that they’re off in the fucking weeds. That’s the issue I think EPR was getting at.

That is precisely my point. There really is no such thing as a moderate GOPer, for any definition of ‘moderate’ that is not made relative to the batshit GOP norm.

Since most people don’t realize that this peculiar usage is the only meaningful definition of ‘moderate GOPer’, it is basically deceptive to use the term at all. More specifically, mention of a ‘GOP moderate’ by the mainstream media conjures up a false image of someone who might be a pragmatic deal maker as opposed to the reality of a blinkered zealot or someone so beholden to blinkered zealots that there is no real distinction to be made.

Of course, such deception is intentional on the part of the GOP establishment and its media lapdogs, since they can pretend to be ‘the adults in the room’.

217 CuriousLurker  Apr 29, 2015 3:53:02pm

So, I wanna know where all those freedom- and constitution-loving white American Patriots™ are. Is martial law and suspension of due process okay as long as it only happens to blacks muslims, other PoC and liberals? And gays, and atheists, and feminists, and… who they hate is a long list.

218 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 3:53:30pm

re: #215 Backwoods_Sleuth

No, it’s wild mustard.

Do you eat them? You can. Use the small, tender leaves and just strip them off the plant, and cook as you would any greens.

219 Kragar  Apr 29, 2015 3:54:04pm
220 Kragar  Apr 29, 2015 3:55:20pm
221 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 3:55:27pm
222 wrenchwench  Apr 29, 2015 3:55:44pm
223 William Lewis  Apr 29, 2015 3:56:29pm

re: #217 CuriousLurker

So, I wanna know where all those freedom- and constitution-loving white American PatriotsTM are. Is martial law and suspension of due process okay as long as it only happens to blacks muslims, other PoC and liberals? And gays, and atheists, and feminists, and… who they hate is a long list.

As I’ve been saying. unless you are White AND Rich, the police are the enemy.

224 Charles Johnson  Apr 29, 2015 3:56:33pm

Just testing™ something.

225 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 29, 2015 3:56:56pm

re: #214 Backwoods_Sleuth

Blurry Piglet agrees!

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re: #205 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I demand pictures.

re: #204 Nyet

Photos or didn’t happen! ///

Okay, okay. I have my camera in hand and I am trying to induce the varmint to come back for a photo op.
In the meantime, here is a pic from Traces of Texas of Pecos County sheriff E. B. Kiser walking his pet alligator some time between 1918 and 1930. Note the length of the leash. Pet or not, EB obviously doesn’t want to risk a reptile dysfunction.

226 CuriousLurker  Apr 29, 2015 3:57:06pm

re: #219 Kragar

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Well, yeah—duh. DIdn’t you read about the woman on Fox who said if Bush was president terrorists wouldn’t be beheading anyone? (Except when they were, like Daniel Pearl in 2002…)

227 Charles Johnson  Apr 29, 2015 3:57:49pm

Testing™ again.

228 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 29, 2015 3:57:57pm

Wolf Blitzer is creaming his jeans in anticipation:

229 Kragar  Apr 29, 2015 3:58:08pm
230 wrenchwench  Apr 29, 2015 3:58:38pm

re: #226 CuriousLurker

This one was partly for you.

231 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 4:00:06pm

Yay!

5m
Baltimore public defender’s office says 101 people arrested during Monday’s unrest are being released without charges - @justin_fenton
end of alert

More: Baltimore Police say that during Monday’s unrest they had trouble matching people to officers who arrested them; some could still be charged after investigation - @justin_fenton
see original on twitter.com

Good luck with that last one. How do you charge someone w/o a prosecuting witness? Invent one?

232 William Lewis  Apr 29, 2015 4:00:37pm

re: #229 Kragar

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34 years of Reaganomics coming home to roost.

233 William Lewis  Apr 29, 2015 4:01:24pm

re: #231 Justanotherhuman

Good luck with that last one. How do you charge someone w/o a prosecuting witness? Invent one?

I’m sure they have plenty of practice in doing just that.

234 CuriousLurker  Apr 29, 2015 4:02:41pm

re: #230 wrenchwench

This one was partly for you.

Oh man, I think I’d prefer the car too.

Speaking of noggins, my 2-year anniversary is tomorrow. Makes me a little nervous even though I know feeling so is totally irrational.

235 Nyet  Apr 29, 2015 4:02:41pm

Re: this: I went to Pat’s site, and his latest blog entry has this curious graphic…

buchanan. org/blog/biblical-values-or-vegas-values-15928

236 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 29, 2015 4:03:08pm

71 get life sentences for torching Christian church in Egypt

Cairo (CNN)An Egyptian court has sentenced 71 people to life in prison for their role in the August 2013 burning of a Christian church in the Giza province village of Kafr Hakim, state news reports.

The Virgin Mary Church was torched and looted by a mob, some of whom chanted against Coptic Christians and called for Egypt to become an “Islamic state,” one of at least 42 churches and many more businesses and homes targeted that August, the advocacy group Human Rights Watch reports. Others attacked included St. George Church in Sohag, a city south of Cairo on the Nile River, and Prince Tadros Church in Fayoum, which is southwest of Cairo, according to reports.

In addition to those getting life sentences, two minors were sentenced to 10 years in prison and fined 10,000 Egyptian pounds (about $1,300), Egypt’s official Egynews reported.

Most of those sentenced — 52 of the 73 defendants — were tried in absentia, with 21 already in prison, according to Egynews.

237 Kragar  Apr 29, 2015 4:04:14pm
238 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 29, 2015 4:04:16pm
239 wrenchwench  Apr 29, 2015 4:04:30pm

re: #234 CuriousLurker

Oh man, I think I’d prefer the car too.

Speaking of noggins, my 2-year anniversary is tomorrow. Make me a little nervous even though I know feeling so is totally irrational.

Irrational is your privilege! How shall we ‘celebrate’?

240 blueraven  Apr 29, 2015 4:05:42pm

Uh oh…Baltimore police say, despite promise, no report will be publicly released on Friday.

241 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 4:06:55pm

More amazing space stuff. Wonder why there’s water ice on Charon and not Pluto?

New Horizons’ Pluto Pictures Reveal Surface Details — and a Polar Cap?

nbcnews.com

242 Charles Johnson  Apr 29, 2015 4:08:09pm
243 CuriousLurker  Apr 29, 2015 4:08:13pm

re: #239 wrenchwench

Irrational is your privilege! How shall we ‘celebrate’?

How about by not having anything happen to our brains? I’d settle for that, boring as it may be. Kinda feel like I’m on borrowed time, y’know?

244 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 29, 2015 4:08:29pm

re: #216 EPR-radar

That is precisely my point. There really is no such thing as a moderate GOPer, for any definition of ‘moderate’ that is not made relative to the batshit GOP norm.

Isn’t today’s definition of liberal Democrat also relative to the general tone of the party?

245 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 29, 2015 4:09:51pm
246 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 29, 2015 4:10:29pm

re: #238 Backwoods_Sleuth

Calvin Peete’s life story is really great.
Do read the Detroit News article!

247 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 4:11:03pm
248 Kragar  Apr 29, 2015 4:11:07pm
249 Nyet  Apr 29, 2015 4:12:59pm

re: #248 Kragar

Has he already deleted his Grindr account?

250 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 29, 2015 4:14:38pm
251 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 4:14:58pm
252 Kragar  Apr 29, 2015 4:16:10pm

re: #249 Nyet

Lawmaker Says He Was Outed As Gay As Revenge For Voting Down Gay Rights Bill

To which the obvious response is “Yes, your point being?”

253 Nyet  Apr 29, 2015 4:16:19pm

rawstory.com

Louisiana’s law against marriage equality is one of the four state bans being considered by the high court in the Obergefell v. Hodges case. The resolution argued that Ginsburg and Kagan have “engaged in public conduct” suggesting that they would be likely to rule that such laws are unconstitutional.

And Scalia didn’t?

254 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 4:17:05pm

re: #250 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Damn, that was a thing of beauty!

255 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 29, 2015 4:19:16pm

Kind of explains why UpChuck-for-brains TM lost all of his previous jobs and can’t get one now.
He’s two-for-two on this:

256 Nyet  Apr 29, 2015 4:19:34pm

Doesn’t Geraldo have some vault somewhere to explore?

257 HappyWarrior  Apr 29, 2015 4:19:38pm

re: #248 Kragar

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This is everything wrong about the GOP in a nutshell.

258 HappyWarrior  Apr 29, 2015 4:20:05pm

re: #255 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kind of explains why UpChuck-for-brains TM lost all of his previous jobs and can’t get one now.
He’s two-for-two on this:

[Embedded content]

Sometimes having shitty views means you’re shitty at your job. See Bachmann, Michele.

259 Targetpractice  Apr 29, 2015 4:20:13pm

re: #240 blueraven

Uh oh…Baltimore police say, despite promise, no report will be publicly released on Friday.

Word upthread was that they’re not going to release the results of the investigation, but forward them directly to the State Attorney’s office. If true, the BPD might be in trouble.

260 HappyWarrior  Apr 29, 2015 4:20:29pm

re: #256 Nyet

Doesn’t Geraldo have some vault somewhere to explore?

I wish we could have left him in there. I can’t stand that arrogant prick.

261 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 29, 2015 4:21:24pm
262 Nyet  Apr 29, 2015 4:22:04pm

Make sure you’re not eating or drinking anything before clicking.

Image: selfies11n-1-web_1_.jpg

263 EPR-radar  Apr 29, 2015 4:22:27pm

re: #244 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Isn’t today’s definition of liberal Democrat also relative to the general tone of the party?

Yes. Normally it makes sense to have these definitions be relative to the party in question.

‘moderate GOPer’ is a special case because the GOP as a whole is simply too extreme for that term to make sense in normal usage. The correct term for ‘moderate GOPer’ is ‘somewhat less crazy GOPer than usual’.

I realize it looks like I’ve got a bad case of being Humpty Dumpty, insisting on my definitions of words.

However, words do have meaning, and ‘moderate GOPer’ is a logical impossibility for any definition of moderate that suggests being centrist, a deal maker, not an ideological zealot or owned by zealots, etc.

Imagine the hypothetical case of an ultra-left party in the US, where two factions within the party were Maoist communists and Pol Pot style fanatics. Referring to the Maoists as ‘moderates’ would be wrong, even if true in a relative sense.

264 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 29, 2015 4:22:28pm
265 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 29, 2015 4:22:54pm

re: #262 Nyet

Make sure you’re not eating or drinking anything before clicking.

Image: selfies11n-1-web_1_.jpg

A classic!

266 Justanotherhuman  Apr 29, 2015 4:23:18pm

You bet.

267 ObserverArt  Apr 29, 2015 4:27:46pm

re: #240 blueraven

Uh oh…Baltimore police say, despite promise, no report will be publicly released on Friday.

Chris Matthews is drumming this fact real hard tonight. He is worried that once the demonstrators and the agitators here this news all hell is going erupt in Baltimore.

Also reporting the police and Gray family and its handlers are trying to get ahead of it by saying ‘don’t read too much into it.”

Oh, that’s just great.

Hello Ferguson again…and Baltimore Monday night #2.

268 Dave In Austin  Apr 29, 2015 4:29:09pm

re: #261 Backwoods_Sleuth

“We all, every single one of us whether we admit it or not, we all know what the deal is in Baltimore.”

Yep

269 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 29, 2015 4:29:50pm
270 ObserverArt  Apr 29, 2015 4:31:10pm

re: #256 Nyet

Doesn’t Geraldo have some vault somewhere to explore?

It was found to be empty.

Oh wait, that was the contents of his head. Sorry.

271 Great White Snark  Apr 29, 2015 4:31:27pm

re: #234 CuriousLurker

Oh man, I think I’d prefer the car too.

Speaking of noggins, my 2-year anniversary is tomorrow. Makes me a little nervous even though I know feeling so is totally irrational.

Congratulations! And no not irrational after peering at the edge of the cliff like that. Nope not in my book.

272 BeachDem  Apr 29, 2015 5:03:10pm

re: #269 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He is such a wonderful writer. upchuck is not fit to be the crap Jim Wright scrapes off his boots after walking in a cow pasture.

There must be something in the air—my eyes are a little bit soggy.

273 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 29, 2015 5:08:20pm

re: #231 Justanotherhuman

Yay!

5m
Baltimore public defender’s office says 101 people arrested during Monday’s unrest are being released without charges - @justin_fenton
end of alert

More: Baltimore Police say that during Monday’s unrest they had trouble matching people to officers who arrested them; some could still be charged after investigation - @justin_fenton
see original on twitter.com

Good luck with that last one. How do you charge someone w/o a prosecuting witness? Invent one?

They just need a bit of extra time to get some extra baggies of crack and switchblades ready.
////

274 De Kolta Chair  Apr 29, 2015 6:07:58pm

BBL folks, I hear a “Justice Now!” rally outside. I’ll take photos.

De Kolta in lower Manhattan

275 De Kolta Chair  Apr 29, 2015 6:19:34pm

Grabbed my camera and a jacket, took the elevator down, looked all around and like that they were gone.

276 De Kolta Chair  Apr 29, 2015 7:06:21pm

‘Night gators. Take us out, if you would please, Miss Mary Ann & The Ragtime Wranglers


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