Jeb Bush Is a Fan of “Scientific Racist” Charles Murray

Jeb Bush and “scientific racism”
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Jeb Bush, who’s currently being positioned as the “moderate” among the GOP’s 2016 Clown Car Full of Loons, said today he’s a big fan of white nationalist Charles Murray’s books.

Lowry asked Bush, “… is there any policy or anything public officials can do to help turn back what has been a rising tide of family breakdown crossing decades now?”

“Absolutely, there is,” Bush, a likely 2016 Republican presidential candidate, said. “It’s not exactly the core. My views on this were shaped a lot on this by Charles Murray’s book, except I was reading the book and I was waiting for the last chapter with the really cool solutions — didn’t quite get there.”

Later in the interview, Lowry asked Bush what he likes to read. Again, he cited Murray.

“I like Charles Murray books to be honest with you, which means I’m a total nerd I guess,” Bush said.

In case you don’t know the name, Murray was responsible for “The Bell Curve,” an academically suspect book that argues blacks are less intelligent than whites for genetic reasons; a book that gave rise to the “scientific racism” movement increasingly popular on the right wing.

Murray is currently a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute.

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381 comments
1 Kragar  Apr 30, 2015 3:32:38pm

Wow, another Republican turns out to be a racist fuck. What are the odds?

2 Ace-o-aces  Apr 30, 2015 3:36:15pm

Now CCJ will have to reassess his feelings towards Bush.

3 Kragar  Apr 30, 2015 3:37:31pm

“Hey, just because he reads Charles Murray and likes his idea doesn’t make …”

SHUSH!

Racist fuck.

4 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 30, 2015 3:40:08pm

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6 Kragar  Apr 30, 2015 3:45:08pm
7 ObserverArt  Apr 30, 2015 3:46:08pm

Every time I see video of Jeb lately he looks to me…

Pause. Breaking News. Baltimore Police Update!

…very uncomfortable with what he is saying.

8 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2015 3:46:25pm

Asshole.
Try working night shifts in the hospital ER in the inner city like I did.

9 HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2015 3:47:41pm

A racist nerd.

10 ObserverArt  Apr 30, 2015 3:47:44pm

re: #2 Ace-o-aces

Now CCJ will have to reassess his feelings towards Bush.

He’ll claim he got Jeb to change his stance. Jeb reads his crappy site ya’ know.

/

11 HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2015 3:49:18pm

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Asshole.
Try working night shifts in the hospital ER in the inner city like I did.

So because ghettos have crime problems, police brutality is okay? That’s seriously his message here? He really needs a cup of shut the fuck up.

12 wrenchwench  Apr 30, 2015 3:49:42pm
13 HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2015 3:49:49pm

And I’d rather be a “SJW” than a pussy conservative who spends his days in his in law’s basement casting judgement on people less well off than me.

14 wrenchwench  Apr 30, 2015 3:50:23pm
15 HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2015 3:50:50pm

This is why it’s a joke to call Jeb a moderate.

16 HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2015 3:51:15pm

If Jeb Bush is what passes for a moderate Republican these days. Then that party is beyond help.

17 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 30, 2015 3:54:00pm

Yes, this gives us an insight into JEB!’s views on race and, yes, Charles Murray is repugnant. Unless Murray goes on Dancing with the Stars the overwhelming majority of American voters will know exactly fuckall about him and even fewer of them will know that JEB! is a fan or what that means.

18 HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2015 3:58:33pm

re: #17 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Yes, this gives us an insight into JEB!’s views on race and, yes, Charles Murray is repugnant. Unless Murray goes on Dancing with the Stars the overwhelming majority of American voters will know exactly fuckall about him and even fewer of them will know that JEB! is a fan or what that means.

Sad but true. Romney employing Kris Kobach really didn’t hurt him that much.

19 KingKenrod  Apr 30, 2015 3:59:29pm

Chuck making excuses for murder. Tough job = gotta crack some skulls.

20 HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2015 4:01:29pm

re: #19 KingKenrod

Chuck making excuses for murder. Tough job = gotta crack some skulls.

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He’s a despicable little prick. Having a beat in a high crime neighborhood is no reason at all to take someone’s life and violate liberties. By saying that, Chuck insults every single police officer who does take the liberties of the citizenry seriously.

21 freetoken  Apr 30, 2015 4:02:11pm

Some dog whistles are just more erudite than others.

22 Kragar  Apr 30, 2015 4:03:07pm

Some more “Wisdom” from Charles Murray:

Try to imagine a GOP presidential candidate saying in front of the cameras, “One reason that we still have poverty in the United States is that a lot of poor people are born lazy.” You cannot imagine it because that kind of thing cannot be said. And yet this unimaginable statement merely implies that when we know the complete genetic story, it will turn out that the population below the poverty line in the United States has a configuration of the relevant genetic makeup that is significantly different from the configuration of the population above the poverty line. This is not unimaginable. It is almost certainly true.

-Murray, Charles (January 24, 2000). “Deeper into the Brain”. American Enterprise Institute.

In audio obtained by the Burnt Orange Report, American Enterprise Institute scholar Charles Murray can be heard explaining to an audience at the University of Texas that his views on women had not changed since a 2005 paper, in which he asserted that one or “maybe” two women had played significant roles in the field of philosophy.

When a woman at the event on Tuesday asked Murray if he still believed what he wrote, Murray quipped, “Who do you have in mind?”

Murray argued that in “certain traditions” like literature, women had been at the “peak of accomplishment.” But he said that he could only recall one important female philosopher, “and she was not a significant thinker in the estimation of historians of philosophy.”

“So, yeah, I still stick with that,” he insisted. “Until somebody gives me evidence to the contrary, I’ll stick with that statement.”

rawstory.com

23 Justanotherhuman  Apr 30, 2015 4:08:50pm

It really doesn’t matter. Those who agree with Murray will be praising Bush. Those who don’t even know who Murray is and hold the same views will still vote for him when the rest of the Klown Kar Kandidates don’t survive the primary, because the entire R base is racist as fuck.

24 S'latch  Apr 30, 2015 4:10:33pm

“a rising tide of family breakdown”

That phrase alone sounds like a loaded racist dog whistle to me.

25 Drive By Commenter  Apr 30, 2015 4:16:06pm

“I like Charles Murray books to be honest with you, which means I’m a total nerd I guess,” Bush said.
Uh, no.

26 De Kolta Chair  Apr 30, 2015 4:18:52pm
Oliver Sacks, Greenwich Village 1961
27 EPR-radar  Apr 30, 2015 4:21:03pm

“The last chapter with the really cool solutions”??!!

Give me a fucking break. I’ve read the Bell Curve, and in that book the ‘last chapter with the really cool solutions’ was truly feeble. The rest of the Bell Curve at least had a thesis and made out a case (a repellant case for racism, to be sure). Its conclusion was mindless drivel and pap because Charles Murray was too chickenshit to give any real recommendations based on his thesis, such as ethnic cleansing, pogroms and/or genocide. That was for the readers to fill in.

Since scientific racists like Murray are notorious for never changing their habits, I’m sure his new book has exactly the same weakness at the end.

Finally, I agree that this is more evidence that there is simply no such thing as a moderate Republican.

28 CriticalDragon1177  Apr 30, 2015 4:21:20pm

Charles Johnson,

“moderate” doesn’t seem to mean much anymore when it comes to Republican presidential candidates. The GOP needs to lose a bunch of elections, and hopefully that we lead them to actually pick some genuinely moderate and reasonable candidates. This “scientific” racism nonsense should be over with, at least when it comes to mainstream presidential candidates by now.

29 Dave In Austin  Apr 30, 2015 4:21:29pm

re: #26 De Kolta Chair

Nice Beemer…..

30 calochortus  Apr 30, 2015 4:22:09pm

I read “Coming Apart” a couple years ago, kind of by accident, as the subtitle was intriguing and I didn’t recall Murray’s name and previous work. To say his logic is flawed would be an understatement.
He was inclined to blame people in a no-win financial situation for their problems, ascribing it essentially to a lack of moral character.

31 GeorgetownPress  Apr 30, 2015 4:22:31pm

I have not read Charles Murray’s Coming Apart (the book that Bush is referencing), but I did watch an long interview of him about that book on TV Ontario’s The Agenda. His comments in that interview did not come across as racist, rather he emphasized the similarity between black and white family breakdown; the difference being that black family breakdown was “30 years ahead” of white family breakdown. That is, black and white America was converging in regards to family breakdown, but the social context (not any genetic difference) meant that it occurred earlier in black America.

I cannot say whether Bell Curve is racist, but condemning Jeb Bush as a racist because he references a book by an author who also wrote something racist 20 years ago is like condemning Obama as a communist because of his relationship with Bill Ayers.

32 ObserverArt  Apr 30, 2015 4:23:03pm

Did Murray grow up in the Ward Cleaver house?

33 EPR-radar  Apr 30, 2015 4:24:24pm

re: #31 GeorgetownPress

I have not read Charles Murray’s Coming Apart (the book that Bush is referencing), but I did watch an long interview of him about that book on TV Ontario’s The Agenda. His comments in that interview did not come across as racist, rather he emphasized the similarity between black and white family breakdown; the difference being that black family breakdown was “30 years ahead” of white family breakdown. That is, black and white America was converging in regards to family breakdown, but the social context (not any genetic difference) meant that it occurred earlier in black America.

I cannot say whether Bell Curve is racist, but condemning Jeb Bush as a racist because he references a book by an author who also wrote something racist 20 years ago is like condemning Obama as a communist because of his relationship with Bill Ayers.

Not really. At the very least, Bush cites Murray (who has not changed his stripes at all since the Bell Curve came out) as an ongoing present-day inspiration.

Obama certainly didn’t do that with respect to Ayers.

34 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 30, 2015 4:24:35pm

re: #31 GeorgetownPress

Just to point out, at the bottom of the excerpt, he refers to the books (plural).

Which sort of implies that he has read The Bell Curve, the book that’s prompting the whole bit about scientific racism.

35 calochortus  Apr 30, 2015 4:24:50pm

re: #31 GeorgetownPress

I cannot say whether Bell Curve is racist, but condemning Jeb Bush as a racist because he references a book by an author who also wrote something racist 20 years ago is like condemning Obama as a communist because of his relationship with Bill Ayers.

It has been a long time since I read The Bell Curve but I think I can help you out here. It is racist. Polite, pseudo-scientific racism.

36 Justanotherhuman  Apr 30, 2015 4:24:55pm

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37 Kragar  Apr 30, 2015 4:25:48pm

re: #25 Drive By Commenter

38 freetoken  Apr 30, 2015 4:27:13pm

re: #31 GeorgetownPress

Murray has spent decades crafting erudite but still dog whistle articles and books, aimed at bolstering the superiority of the white male.

So no, he get’s no passes, nor does his followers (Jeb.)

39 Justanotherhuman  Apr 30, 2015 4:28:33pm

re: #32 ObserverArt

Did Murray grow up in the Ward Cleaver house?

Murray was raised in Newton, Iowa in a Republican, non-collegiate “Norman Rockwell kind of family” that stressed moral responsibility. He is the son of Frances B. (née Patrick) and Alan B. Murray, a Maytag Company executive.[5]

en.wikipedia.org

40 DodgerFan1988  Apr 30, 2015 4:29:25pm

But they’re not racists, they’re “realists.”

41 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 30, 2015 4:29:49pm

Moderate schmoderate. I’ll bet my next pension check that once the other lackwits get done trying to out-Tea Party each other in the primaries the media will be describing JEB! as “a pragmatic centrist who will be able to build bridges with the Democrats.”

42 EPR-radar  Apr 30, 2015 4:30:29pm

re: #30 calochortus

I read “Coming Apart” a couple years ago, kind of by accident, as the subtitle was intriguing and I didn’t recall Murray’s name and previous work. To say his logic is flawed would be an understatement.
He was inclined to blame people in a no-win financial situation for their problems, ascribing it essentially to a lack of moral character.

US conservatism in a nutshell, really. It’s all the fault of those poor people.

It really was striking that this narrative was stretched to fit the financial crisis, which was self-evidently due to misbehavior by the banks and other financial institutions.

43 ObserverArt  Apr 30, 2015 4:31:22pm

re: #39 Justanotherhuman

Murray was raised in Newton, Iowa in a Republican, non-collegiate “Norman Rockwell kind of family” that stressed moral responsibility. He is the son of Frances B. (née Patrick) and Alan B. Murray, a Maytag Company executive.[5]

en.wikipedia.org

Sounds close to a Beaver Cleaver existence.

44 EPR-radar  Apr 30, 2015 4:31:51pm

re: #41 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Moderate schmoderate. I’ll bet my next pension check that once the other lackwits get done trying to out-Tea Party each other in the primaries the media will be describing JEB! as “a pragmatic centrist who will be able to build bridges with the Democrats.”

This. And this is precisely why I object to calling any GOPer a ‘moderate’. It isn’t true and it is dangerous to pretend that it is.

45 calochortus  Apr 30, 2015 4:32:57pm

re: #42 EPR-radar

US conservatism in a nutshell, really. It’s all the fault of those poor people.

It really was striking that this narrative was stretched to fit the financial crisis, which was self-evidently due to misbehavior by the banks and other financial institutions.

Well, all those bankers, etc. went to work every day to maximize their return, so they really do have the superior moral character.

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46 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2015 4:35:01pm

Always interesting to see what draws out the people who haven’t commented at LGF in years.

47 b_sharp  Apr 30, 2015 4:35:08pm

If he was a science nerd, he’d recognize the crap assumptions The Bell Curve is based on, and the wild jumps it makes to conclusions based on spurious correlations while pretending to be science.

48 darthstar  Apr 30, 2015 4:35:17pm

Jeb Bush may be a racist, but I got a new dishwasher…and it’s sexy.

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49 b_sharp  Apr 30, 2015 4:37:37pm

re: #48 darthstar

Jeb Bush may be a racist, but I got a new dishwasher…and it’s sexy.

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Is it self loading?

Everything sexy is self loading.

50 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 30, 2015 4:37:44pm

re: #48 darthstar

Oh man, I admit to being somewhat tempted by the two drawer models.

51 Kragar  Apr 30, 2015 4:39:15pm

re: #46 Charles Johnson

Always interesting to see what draws out the people who haven’t commented at LGF in years.

HE IS THE KWISATZ HADERACH!

52 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2015 4:39:27pm

LOL!!!

UpChuck-for-brains apparently didn’t read the other responses to that tweet.

53 darthstar  Apr 30, 2015 4:41:41pm

re: #50 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Oh man, I admit to being somewhat tempted by the two drawer models.

It’ll take some getting used to. But the Kitchenaid DW we had stopped responding - even after I rebooted it and this was a screaming hot deal - and my wife likes it a lot. That is the key.

54 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2015 4:41:51pm
55 TedStriker  Apr 30, 2015 4:47:59pm

re: #30 calochortus

I read “Coming Apart” a couple years ago, kind of by accident, as the subtitle was intriguing and I didn’t recall Murray’s name and previous work. To say his logic is flawed would be an understatement.
He was inclined to blame people in a no-win financial situation for their problems, ascribing it essentially to a lack of moral character.

Ironic that Murray and his acolytes tend to believe that anything bad or negative that happens to someone is that person’s fault until the end of time, whether it really is or not; yet, when they fuck up, those who prescribe a stiff dose of “personal responsibility” for everyone else show anything but.

56 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2015 4:48:45pm

re: #31 GeorgetownPress

I cannot say whether Bell Curve is racist, but condemning Jeb Bush as a racist because he references a book by an author who also wrote something racist 20 years ago is like condemning Obama as a communist because of his relationship with Bill Ayers.

First, please point out where I “condemned Jeb Bush as a racist” in my post.

Second, what exactly do you imagine Obama’s “relationship” was with Bill Ayers? Because it appears to be nothing more than a casual acquaintance. Jeb Bush, on the other hand, unequivocally described himself as a fan of Charles Murray, influenced by his books.

Your comparison isn’t even close to being accurate.

57 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2015 4:49:29pm

re: #31 GeorgetownPress

Oh, and also? Yes, The Bell Curve is a racist book.

58 b_sharp  Apr 30, 2015 4:51:46pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

Oh, and also? Yes, The Bell Curve is a racist book.

Very much so. Its premises and analysis are designed to make blacks look genetically less intelligent.

59 TedStriker  Apr 30, 2015 4:54:24pm

re: #31 GeorgetownPress

You’re so full of shit, your eyes are turning brown.

Jeb Bush, presumed frontrunner for the 2016 GOP presidential nomination, mentioning and gushing praise upon the highly questionable works of Charles Murray right now is absolutely nothing like President Obama’s past relationship with Bill Ayers, and you know it.

60 Justanotherhuman  Apr 30, 2015 4:54:29pm

Heh.

Chief of police for Port of Los Angeles indicted on federal corruption charges that accuse him of hiding business links to software developer he was helping win contract at port - @LATimes
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61 #FergusonFireside  Apr 30, 2015 4:54:35pm

re: #26 De Kolta Chair

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Wow.

62 EPR-radar  Apr 30, 2015 4:57:28pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

First, please point out where I “condemned Jeb Bush as a racist” in my post.

Second, what exactly do you imagine Obama’s “relationship” was with Bill Ayers? Because it appears to be nothing more than a casual acquaintance. Jeb Bush, on the other hand, unequivocally described himself as a fan of Charles Murray, influenced by his books.

Your comparison isn’t even close to being accurate.

Of course Jeb Bush is a racist.

From the mere fact that Jeb Bush is a leading Republican, one can assess the probability of his being a racist at well over 90%.

Jeb Bush being a fan of Charles Murray removes all doubt.

63 Snarknado!  Apr 30, 2015 5:02:16pm

So this afternoon going across campus, I walked by a couple of ferns that are brown and dead because of the drought (not that common around here because we have fog). I haz a sad.

And the House just passed a - balanced! - budget resolution that drops yet more money on the military and guts social services. If you have any Republican friends left, rub their noses in it. (Clinton One managed to run a surplus without soaking the poor.)

64 #FergusonFireside  Apr 30, 2015 5:02:35pm

re: #48 darthstar

Jeb Bush may be a racist, but I got a new dishwasher…and it’s sexy.

Oops…doublepasted the first image.

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Hell yeah. Do you just toss shit in the bottom drawer?

65 #FergusonFireside  Apr 30, 2015 5:03:51pm

re: #52 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL!!!

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UpChuck-for-brains apparently didn’t read the other responses to that tweet.

Bread Christ = my newest follow.

66 Justanotherhuman  Apr 30, 2015 5:04:09pm

It looks like CNN got what it’s been waiting for all day.

67 calochortus  Apr 30, 2015 5:04:14pm

re: #63 Snarknado!

And the House just passed a - balanced! - budget resolution that drops yet more money on the military and guts social services. If you have any Republican friends left, rub their noses in it. (Clinton One managed to run a surplus without soaking the poor.)

I think maybe we need to get past the election before we have to differentiate between Clinton One and Clinton Two. But it does have a nice ring to it.

68 Justanotherhuman  Apr 30, 2015 5:04:48pm
69 EPR-radar  Apr 30, 2015 5:05:12pm

re: #55 TedStriker

Ironic that Murray and his acolytes tend to believe that anything bad or negative that happens to someone is that person’s fault until the end of time, whether it really is or not; yet, when they fuck up, those who prescribe a stiff dose of “personal responsibility” for everyone else show anything but.

It’s like the old stand-up comedy routine where one guy is boasting about being an iron man, impervious to pain, etc., and the other guy jabs a pin into the first guy’s ass.

“I meant I was impervious to other people’s pain, you idiot!”

It is remarkable that this appears to be taken seriously by the GOP as part of its platform.

70 EPR-radar  Apr 30, 2015 5:06:45pm

re: #67 calochortus

I think maybe we need to get past the election before we have to differentiate between Clinton One and Clinton Two. But it does have a nice ring to it.

At the very least, I will be suitably grateful if the Republicans lose the 2016 POTUS election.

71 sagehen  Apr 30, 2015 5:06:48pm

re: #63 Snarknado!

(Clinton One managed to run a surplus without soaking the poor.)

So did Eisenhower, and he also had a Marshall Plan and interstate highways to pay for.

72 Snarknado!  Apr 30, 2015 5:07:28pm

re: #67 calochortus

I think maybe we need to get past the election before we have to differentiate between Clinton One and Clinton Two. But it does have a nice ring to it.

…but I can still dream.

73 darthstar  Apr 30, 2015 5:07:37pm

It is hot today (73 degrees currently). Too hot to swim - but I did it anyway. Pool felt refreshing, but a bit warm (it was 84 degrees at the club). Hot tub - also warm. Too hot to take the dogs to the beach - but I did it - twice - anyway. Everywhere I look it’s hot. Just looked in the mirror, and I’m hot…okay, different kind of hot…more of a hawt!!, but you get my drift.

I’d go surfing, but I know the second I put on my wetsuit I’m going to be…hot. And the water temp is already up to 57 degrees…FIFTY FUCKING SEVEN! …IN APRIL! (May is tomorrow). Normal temp is 52-54, so we’re already pushing into the danger zone - last year it got to 67. That’s when you see those pretty fuzzy little harbor seals rotting dead from starvation on the beach because there is no food source as it’s all gone deeper to cold water.

I fucking hate global warming. I can’t even bitch about the heat without thinking about the ramifications.

It’s going to be a long, hot summer.

74 calochortus  Apr 30, 2015 5:08:33pm

re: #72 Snarknado!

…but I can still dream.

I hope your dream comes true.

75 darthstar  Apr 30, 2015 5:09:01pm

re: #64 #FergusonFireside

Hell yeah. Do you just toss shit in the bottom drawer?

One doesn’t “toss” china. One slams that shit down like it’s nobody’s business! America! Fuck yeah!

76 Justanotherhuman  Apr 30, 2015 5:09:16pm

I hate to say it, but dishwashers kill my back. I’ve used mine about 3-4 times in the 5 yrs I’ve lived in these 2 apts. Therefore, I handwash everything.

I’d rather reach up into the higher cupboards than use it.

77 freetoken  Apr 30, 2015 5:09:46pm

This happened:

Judge sentences man to 20 years in death of Mississippi black man, second sentencing delayed

A judge has sentenced a white man to 20 years in prison for repeated assaults on African-Americans in Mississippi’s capital city, and a second sentencing has been delayed.

[…]

78 Snarknado!  Apr 30, 2015 5:11:47pm

re: #71 littlegreenfootballs.com

So did Eisenhower, and he also had a Marshall Plan and interstate highways to pay for.

Nitpick: the Marshall Plan was before his time (1948-1952). But I agree.

79 darthstar  Apr 30, 2015 5:11:56pm

re: #76 Justanotherhuman

I hate to say it, but dishwashers kill my back. I’ve used mine about 3-4 times in the 5 yrs I’ve lived in these 2 apts. Therefore, I handwash everything.

I’d rather reach up into the higher cupboards than use it.

At my ripe old age (51) I’m starting to get the creaks. The other day I was getting up from the couch, and my back hurt for a second, and my wife said, “Are you okay?” and I croaked out, “Oh, I’m fine…just straightening up…this happens sometimes, and then I find myself talking like Bill Clinton.” One of the best laughs I gave her this week as, seriously, I sounded like Bill Clinton. I suspect the bottom drawer won’t get a ton of use.

80 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2015 5:12:14pm

BALTIMORE (WJZ ) — From the beginning, the investigation into what killed Freddie Gray has centered on what happened inside the police transport van.

We knew there was another prisoner inside the van and tonight we hear from him.

WJZ’s Mike Schuh is the first to speak with Donta Allen about what he heard.

“I am Donta Allen. I am the one who was in the van with Freddie Gray,” Allen said.

The one who the police commissioner calls the second prisoner in the van.

“The second prisoner who was picked up said that he didn’t see any harm done to Freddie at all,” Commissioner Anthony Batts said. “What he has said us that he heard Freddie thrashing about.”

But Allen wants to set something straight.

“All I did was go straight to the station, but I heard a little banging like he was banging his head,” he said.

He tells WJZ he’s angry about an internal police report published in The Washington Post.

“And they trying to make it seem like I told them that, I made it like Freddie Gray did that to hisself (sic),” Allen said. “Why the [expletive] would he do that to hisself (sic)?”

81 #FergusonFireside  Apr 30, 2015 5:12:45pm

re: #68 Justanotherhuman

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They were trying to get on the freeway. No go. The police opened up a corridor & the protesters moved on.

The CNN woman on the ground is repeatedly saying peaceful, peaceful. Which is a relief.

82 freetoken  Apr 30, 2015 5:13:00pm

IIRC there were a whole lot of people involved in that MS murder. Today’s sentencing is just one in a series that has been coming down this month.

83 darthstar  Apr 30, 2015 5:13:19pm

Okay, take Baltimore off my list of vacation destinations.

84 freetoken  Apr 30, 2015 5:16:33pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

The comments on that story are already taking a sad turn.

85 #FergusonFireside  Apr 30, 2015 5:17:16pm

re: #63 Snarknado!

So this afternoon going across campus, I walked by a couple of ferns that are brown and dead because of the drought (not that common around here because we have fog). I haz a sad.

And the House just passed a - balanced! - budget resolution that drops yet more money on the military and guts social services. If you have any Republican friends left, rub their noses in it. (Clinton One managed to run a surplus without soaking the poor.)

And they are gasping at the events in Baltimore.

They created this, and they are perpetuating this.

Ya’ll afraid of Jade whatever? Ya’ll way more afraid of the cities rising up. With the help of their SJW’s. (I had to look up that chuck tweet, which is awesome, his hate gave me knowledge)

86 Justanotherhuman  Apr 30, 2015 5:17:40pm

re: #81 #FergusonFireside

They were trying to get on the freeway. No go. The police opened up a corridor & the protesters moved on.

The CNN woman on the ground is repeatedly saying peaceful, peaceful. Which is a relief.

Glad to know CNN was denied. : )

87 #FergusonFireside  Apr 30, 2015 5:19:59pm

re: #73 darthstar

It is hot today (73 degrees currently). Too hot to swim - but I did it anyway. Pool felt refreshing, but a bit warm (it was 84 degrees at the club). Hot tub - also warm. Too hot to take the dogs to the beach - but I did it - twice - anyway. Everywhere I look it’s hot. Just looked in the mirror, and I’m hot…okay, different kind of hot…more of a hawt!!, but you get my drift.

I’d go surfing, but I know the second I put on my wetsuit I’m going to be…hot. And the water temp is already up to 57 degrees…FIFTY FUCKING SEVEN! …IN APRIL! (May is tomorrow). Normal temp is 52-54, so we’re already pushing into the danger zone - last year it got to 67. That’s when you see those pretty fuzzy little harbor seals rotting dead from starvation on the beach because there is no food source as it’s all gone deeper to cold water.

I fucking hate global warming. I can’t even bitch about the heat without thinking about the ramifications.

It’s going to be a long, hot summer.

You jest, signed 92 when I left the office SoCal.

88 darthstar  Apr 30, 2015 5:20:21pm
89 calochortus  Apr 30, 2015 5:21:39pm

re: #88 darthstar

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According to their rating, this is a very technical and difficult install.

90 Snarknado!  Apr 30, 2015 5:22:02pm

re: #85 #FergusonFireside

And they are gasping at the events in Baltimore.

They created this, and they are perpetuating this.

Ya’ll afraid of Jade whatever? Ya’ll way more afraid of the cities rising up. With the help of their SJW’s. (I had to look up that chuck tweet, which is awesome, his hate gave me knowledge)

I had to look it up too, the first time I saw it. And just when the hell did “social justice worker” become a bad thing to be?

91 #FergusonFireside  Apr 30, 2015 5:23:51pm

re: #76 Justanotherhuman

I hate to say it, but dishwashers kill my back. I’ve used mine about 3-4 times in the 5 yrs I’ve lived in these 2 apts. Therefore, I handwash everything.

I’d rather reach up into the higher cupboards than use it.

I hand wash all the time, single woman, 5 dishes max. BUT I bought the expensive as fuck Cascade cubes. I’ll save up for them, pile my sink. The heat fricking sanitizes I don’t care anymore, my dishes are clean.

YA’LL I LOVE LGF. I HAVE APPT AT 630. whoops big time.

92 freetoken  Apr 30, 2015 5:24:26pm

This happened, too:

Cruz ducks question about blacks panhandling

One day after Texas Sen. Ted Cruz said Hispanics don’t panhandle because it would be shameful for them, the Republican presidential contender is refusing to offer an opinion about African-Americans who beg for money on the street.

Asked Thursday what he thought of them, Cruz turned away without speaking, […]

Speaking yesterday at a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce meeting, Cruz recalled once having lunch with a Hispanic entrepreneur who asked when the last time was he had seen a Hispanic panhandler.

“It’s a great question,” Cruz said, adding, “I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a Hispanic panhandler, and the reason is in our community it would be shameful to be begging on the street.”

Well Ted, you don’t get out much I see.

93 calochortus  Apr 30, 2015 5:25:28pm

BBL

94 darthstar  Apr 30, 2015 5:26:43pm

re: #89 calochortus

According to their rating, this is a very technical and difficult install.

That’s because it requires getting down onto the floor.

95 ObserverArt  Apr 30, 2015 5:27:03pm

re: #92 freetoken

This happened, too:

Cruz ducks question about blacks panhandling

Well Ted, you don’t get out much I see.

Cruz and daddy are both panhandlers. They just wear suits and stand on stages instead of curbs/sidewalks.

96 darthstar  Apr 30, 2015 5:27:06pm

re: #94 darthstar

That’s because it requires getting down onto the floor.

And it pretty much just fucking snaps on.

97 BeachDem  Apr 30, 2015 5:27:44pm

On the WaPo bullshit story—Charles Pierce, reminiscing about a certain incident in Boston (ah yes, I remember it well):

Most of all, it reminded me of a guy named Willie Bennett.

On a rainy night in 1989, a well-dressed, well-spoken thug named Charles Stuart capped his pregnant wife as they were returning from a childbirth class in the Mission Hill neighborhood of Boston.

As part of the plan, Stuart shot himself in the stomach. He told the Boston police that an unidentified black man had done the crime. This was a nice white couple from the suburbs shot in a largely African American neighborhood.

The Boston cops went completely wild, strip-searching men at random, busting down doors, and rousting everyone who looked at them crossways. Then, they heard about a kid who had been joking about his uncle’s having shot the couple. His uncle was named Willie Bennett. The cops picked him up and then fed him into the media maw, drowning out the complaints from Mission Hill about the excessive police response to the incident.

As The Master put it in another context, the newspapers, especially Mike Barnicle of The Boston Globe, went along for the ride. Not long after, my wife and I attended the annual dinner of the Boston community development organization, and we were sitting next to several of the city’s old-line African American activists.

“He shot her himself,” one of them said. “Everybody in the neighborhood knows that.”

He was right. The cops were wrong.

esquire.com

98 Belafon  Apr 30, 2015 5:27:49pm

re: #84 freetoken

The comments on that story are already taking a sad turn.

Something about his English, I bet (I’m not looking). Probably full of misspellings and incorrect usage.

99 goddamnedfrank  Apr 30, 2015 5:30:55pm

re: #92 freetoken

This happened, too:

“I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a Hispanic panhandler”

I have, literally yesterday. I see them all the time because I’m not an insulated elitist cock-bag.

100 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2015 5:31:28pm

re: #52 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL!!!

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UpChuck-for-brains apparently didn’t read the other responses to that tweet.

It’s amazing how the floor-pooping meme caught on. It’s going to follow him for his whole life.

101 Belafon  Apr 30, 2015 5:33:00pm

re: #5 Nyet

When ‘Jesus’ was ‘Judas’ and other pretty stupendous Bible typos

Inerrant, huh?

102 thedopefishlives  Apr 30, 2015 5:33:24pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

It’s amazing how the floor-pooping meme caught on. It’s going to follow him for his whole life.

This is what one gets when one takes dumps indiscriminately.

Evening Lizardim from the beautiful wild north country.

103 Justanotherhuman  Apr 30, 2015 5:33:51pm

re: #97 BeachDem

I remember that well, also. It was appalling. Five years later, Susan Smith pulled the same thing when she murdered her 2 small boys, saying a Black man had carjacked them

104 BeachDem  Apr 30, 2015 5:36:44pm

re: #95 ObserverArt

Cruz and daddy are both panhandlers. They just wear suits and stand on stages instead of curbs/sidewalks.

His even more revealing comment during the original interview was:

Now if you want people to work their fingers to the bones — hard work — you’ll have Hispanic men and women lining up to work hard and provide for their families. Those are all conservative values.

Yes, Teddy, working your fingers to the bones is a great aspiration, you tool (who has probably never broken a sweat working in his whole pathetic life.)

105 goddamnedfrank  Apr 30, 2015 5:38:21pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

It’s amazing how the floor-pooping meme caught on. It’s going to follow him for his whole life.

What’s funny is that he only has himself to blame. If he hadn’t pre-emptively brought up the allegation in an informal exchange with Greg Howard it absolutely never would have become a thing. By being the first one to bring it up in conversation he gave Howard license to write about it, practically dared him to actually. Then followed all of his toothless threats of a filing libel lawsuit and demands for a retraction over an allegation that Howard never actually made.

The whole thing was a classic own goal.

106 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 30, 2015 5:39:40pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

It’s amazing how the floor-pooping meme caught on. It’s going to follow him for his whole life.

His denials are less than convincing, too.

@SlimiHendrix’s side by side is a winner!

Image by Bread Christ @SlimiHendrix
107 Justanotherhuman  Apr 30, 2015 5:42:02pm

This lawyer has a humorous tag. And yes, he’s big.

108 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 30, 2015 5:46:55pm

re: #87 #FergusonFireside

You jest, signed 92 when I left the office SoCal.

A WTF IS THIS IT’S STILL FUCKING APRIL 91 here today.

109 freetoken  Apr 30, 2015 5:47:16pm

I see the Charles Murray guy is gone.

Oh well, we don’t get many around these parts anymore.

I expect a lot worse in the coming election.

110 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 30, 2015 5:47:19pm
111 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2015 5:47:40pm

Colbert has a new look:

112 thedopefishlives  Apr 30, 2015 5:48:05pm

re: #108 klys (maker of Silmarils)

A WTF IS THIS IT’S STILL FUCKING APRIL 91 here today.

It was a breezy and enjoyable 70 degrees here astride the 45th Parallel. You should come visit. ;)

113 Decatur Deb  Apr 30, 2015 5:48:34pm

re: #108 klys (maker of Silmarils)

A WTF IS THIS IT’S STILL FUCKING APRIL 91 here today.

Uh…Lower Alabama made it to 85 today, only 75 expected tomorrow.

114 BlueSpotinAL  Apr 30, 2015 5:48:35pm

re: #45 calochortus

Well, all those bankers, etc. went to work every day to maximize their return, so they really do have the superior moral character.

///

Republican Johnny Cochran: “Not poor as shit, you must acquit!”

115 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 30, 2015 5:49:09pm

re: #113 Decatur Deb

Uh…Lower Alabama made it to 85 today, only 75 expected tomorrow.

All I can say is, the whole “you don’t need air conditioners in the Bay Area” thing is complete and utter bullshit.

116 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 30, 2015 5:49:17pm

fucking little shit monster

117 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2015 5:49:55pm

re: #113 Decatur Deb

Uh…Lower Alabama made it to 85 today, only 75 expected tomorrow.

I’m feeling a bit chilly. It’s almost 45F outside.
Think I’ll curl up under the duvet.

laterz, lizardz!

118 freetoken  Apr 30, 2015 5:50:35pm

re: #108 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It’s been a very messed up year.

No rain so far except for one system.

April feels hot and is cloud free during the days when it should be cool and cloudy. It’s been in the high 80’s here this week.

Loquat trees are dying :-(

119 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 30, 2015 5:50:38pm

re: #116 Lord Of The Pies

fucking little shit monster

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He asked for her date of birth earlier.

120 thedopefishlives  Apr 30, 2015 5:52:24pm

re: #116 Lord Of The Pies

fucking little shit monster

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It’s pretty obvious. He’s going to stalk her. He’s probably got a crush and doesn’t understand what the social norms are for expressing interest in another person.

121 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 30, 2015 5:52:39pm

Okay, it was nine degrees cooler in Joshua Tree (84°) than it was here in the San Gabriel valley (93°).

122 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 30, 2015 5:53:13pm

re: #119 Backwoods_Sleuth

He asked for her date of birth earlier.

Identity theft?

123 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 30, 2015 5:54:33pm

re: #120 thedopefishlives

It’s pretty obvious. He’s going to stalk her. He’s probably got a crush and doesn’t understand what the social norms are for expressing interest in another person.

I doubt it’s a crush. Sulkowicz is not a Hott Asian. He’s plotting some character assassination, no doubt.

124 thedopefishlives  Apr 30, 2015 5:57:17pm

re: #123 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I doubt it’s a crush. Sulkowicz is not a Hott Asian. He’s plotting some character assassination, no doubt.

Sorry, that should’ve come with some sarc tags. It was a poor excuse to hurl some insults at the poor defenseless Ginger Avenger. I’m sure he’ll threaten to sue me now.

125 Justanotherhuman  Apr 30, 2015 5:57:26pm

re: #83 darthstar

“The holding cells are approximately 10 by 10 (some slightly larger), with one open sink and toilet. The women were instructed that the water was “bad” and that they shouldn’t drink it. There are no beds — just a concrete cube. No blankets or pillows. The cells were designed to hold people for a few hours, not a few days. In the one cell which housed 15 women, there wasn’t even enough room for them all to lie down at the same time. Three times a day, the guards brought each woman four slices of bread, a slice of American cheese, and a small bag of cookies. They sometimes got juice, but water was scarce, as the COs had to wheel a watercooler through every so often (the regular water being “broken”).”

I just can’t even imagine.

“Interviewing these women was emotionally exhausting. Quite a few of them began crying — so happy to finally see someone who might know why they were there, or perhaps how they might get out of this Kafkaesque nightmare. These women came from all walks of life. We interviewed high school students, college students, people with graduate degrees, people with GEDs, single women, married women, mothers, the well-employed, the unemployed, black women, and white women. Almost all of them had no record. Those that did had things like DUIs and very minor misdemeanors. Our group didn’t interview any of the men on the other side, but my colleagues reported very similar situations. On the men’s side there were journalists and activists, as well as high school kids with no records, barely 18 years old.”

126 Mattand  Apr 30, 2015 5:57:56pm

re: #62 EPR-radar

Of course Jeb Bush is a racist.

From the mere fact that Jeb Bush is a leading Republican, one can assess the probability of his being a racist at well over 90%.

Jeb Bush being a fan of Charles Murray removes all doubt.

There’s a reason I keep calling it the GOP Krazy Klown Kar.

127 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2015 5:59:00pm

re: #124 thedopefishlives

Sorry, that should’ve come with some sarc tags. It was a poor excuse to hurl some insults at the poor defenseless Ginger Avenger. I’m sure he’ll threaten to sue me now.

Interestingly, he’s completely dropped all the lawsuit threats lately. Maybe he realized how ridiculous they were making him look.

128 freetoken  Apr 30, 2015 5:59:50pm

That video of Bush was from the National Review confab.

Now live Sen Sasse:

…

Bunch of lies, mostly, and rewriting history.

Sasse claims something about people being free to work in the young republic… he totally ignores the slaves.

129 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2015 6:00:08pm

re: #123 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I doubt it’s a crush. Sulkowicz is not a Hott Asian. He’s plotting some character assassination, no doubt.

There’s no doubt he’s planning something vile. It’s what he does. He’s plotting to harm Sulkowicz in some way.

130 freetoken  Apr 30, 2015 6:01:00pm

PAYING MOTHERS TO HAVE OUT OF WEDLOCK KIDS.

LOOK AT BALTIMORE!!!!!!

131 thedopefishlives  Apr 30, 2015 6:01:03pm

re: #127 Charles Johnson

Interestingly, he’s completely dropped all the lawsuit threats lately. Maybe he realized how ridiculous they were making him look.

That presumes that he has some level of self-awareness. Given how he acts, I’m legitimately not sure he does.

132 Justanotherhuman  Apr 30, 2015 6:01:36pm

re: #127 Charles Johnson

Interestingly, he’s completely dropped all the lawsuit threats lately. Maybe he realized how ridiculous they were making him look.

Self-awareness he has none. I’ll bet it was all those cease and desist letters he got.

133 Single-handed sailor  Apr 30, 2015 6:01:49pm

re: #108 klys (maker of Silmarils)

A WTF IS THIS IT’S STILL FUCKING APRIL 91 here today.

93.5F, 17% humidity in Contra Costa.

134 freetoken  Apr 30, 2015 6:02:48pm

BALTIMORE AS FAR AS THE EYE CAN SEE!!!!!

135 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 30, 2015 6:03:08pm

re: #129 Charles Johnson

There’s no doubt he’s planning something vile. It’s what he does. He’s plotting to harm Sulkowicz in some way.

He was tweeting some nonsense last week saying her account of being raped in high school was BS. Note that he paid her long-standing public protest at Columbia absolutely no attention until his fellow dudebro —the alleged rapist — took Columbia to court.

136 BlueSpotinAL  Apr 30, 2015 6:03:11pm

re: #103 Justanotherhuman

I remember that well, also. It was appalling. Five years later, Susan Smith pulled the same thing when she murdered her 2 small boys, saying a Black man had carjacked them

Ted Cruz could tell you that nobody ever falsely claims that a Hispanic man did the murder.

137 dholmes32  Apr 30, 2015 6:03:39pm

re: #4 Higgs Boson’s Mate

OT: Steam, Bethesda Softworks, and Valve mutually agreed to remove paid mods from the Steam Workshop. Refunds are being issued to those who paid for mods.

This is good news, I think. I’m an occasional gamer now, but back in the day I played a TON of DOOM 2 mods.

138 Justanotherhuman  Apr 30, 2015 6:03:48pm

re: #133 Single-handed sailor

58 here; 60% humidity.

I even had to turn the heat on for a couple of nights when it got down to 39 and 40 with rain. Brrr.

139 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 30, 2015 6:05:27pm

re: #127 Charles Johnson

Interestingly, he’s completely dropped all the lawsuit threats lately. Maybe he realized how ridiculous they were making him look.

I doubt he has the self-awareness to realize how ridiculous he looks. It is possible that someone he threatened decided to sue him back.

140 Justanotherhuman  Apr 30, 2015 6:06:38pm
141 ObserverArt  Apr 30, 2015 6:08:50pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

It’s amazing how the floor-pooping meme caught on. It’s going to follow him for his whole life.

“The new website is here! The new website is here! I am somebody now. Millions of people look at the internet every day.”

*Hat tip to The Jerk

142 Justanotherhuman  Apr 30, 2015 6:15:39pm

Later, Lizards!

Again,

143 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 30, 2015 6:16:12pm

re: #139 Lord Of The Pies

I doubt he has the self-awareness to realize how ridiculous he looks. It is possible that someone he threatened decided to sue him back.

There was a guy, Daniel Gouldman, who did threaten to sue him for libel a while ago. UpChuck had published a piece outing Gouldman’s day job and alleging Gouldman was an anti-Semite. Gouldman, who is editor of addictinginfo.org, sent him a private email, which UpChuck then published. I have not been able to determine whether Gouldman ever followed through.

EDIT: Corrected Addicting Info link

144 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 30, 2015 6:19:06pm

If CCJ is such a superstar researcher why can’t he find the damn address himself?

145 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 30, 2015 6:21:28pm

re: #137 dholmes32

This is good news, I think. I’m an occasional gamer now, but back in the day I played a TON of DOOM 2 mods.

It was an interesting idea, but the compensation was 75% for them, 25% for the modder. It was also poorly thought through because most of the more complex mods incorporate content from other mods.

Two other things worked against the idea. First, the amount of time and learning that it takes to create a noteworthy mod is immense. You’d have to sell many copies in order to realize more than a couple of bucks an hour for your work. Second, mods have been free for so long that gamers were outraged at anyone having the temerity to suggest that they pay for them.

146 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 30, 2015 6:22:21pm

re: #144 Eclectic Cyborg

If CCJ is such a superstar researcher why can’t he find the damn address himself?

He probably wants her address in NYC, not her family home address. Besides, doxxing sites like Instant Check Mate, Spokeo, etc., rely on credit reporting agencies, court documents and other “paper trails” a college student is not yet likely to have.

147 freetoken  Apr 30, 2015 6:24:53pm

I guessing here… but Jeb probably dropped the Murray name because it is an NRO get together, and of course Murray is one of their favorites.

It reminds me of his brother, way back in the 1999/2000 debates, when GWB would claim the Bible is his favorite book and Jesus who inspired him most.

GWB new he had to get the Bible thumpers on board.

And now, today, Jeb knows he needs the white nationalists, at least to keep them from chopping at him.

148 thedopefishlives  Apr 30, 2015 6:25:23pm

re: #142 Justanotherhuman

Actually, funny you should mention doing all the things. Mrs. Fish wanted a birthday present. A BIG birthday present. So on Saturday, I am going to meander over to the Mrs. Fish’s folks’ house and dig out a veritable land whale from their fence row - a 1979 Lincoln Continental - and attempt to return it to a driveable state. It needs all the things done to it after sitting for 12 years.

149 freetoken  Apr 30, 2015 6:28:18pm

Somebody will, hopefully, somewhere sometime on the campaign trail, ask Rand Paul about Art Robinson and Jane Orient.

150 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 30, 2015 6:29:50pm

re: #148 thedopefishlives

Actually, funny you should mention doing all the things. Mrs. Fish wanted a birthday present. A BIG birthday present. So on Saturday, I am going to meander over to the Mrs. Fish’s folks’ house and dig out a veritable land whale from their fence row - a 1979 Lincoln Continental - and attempt to return it to a driveable state. It needs all the things done to it after sitting for 12 years.

That will be a labor of true love. The longer a car sits, the harder it is to restore. If the engine has not been run in a long while, the gasoline has probably dried to a kind of varnish in the carb(s), and those will need overhauling. Plus, the cylinder walls have probably rusted a bit and/or the rings have rusted to the walls, so squirting some penetrating oil into each cylinder before you crank the engine is advised.

151 ObserverArt  Apr 30, 2015 6:31:21pm

re: #148 thedopefishlives

Actually, funny you should mention doing all the things. Mrs. Fish wanted a birthday present. A BIG birthday present. So on Saturday, I am going to meander over to the Mrs. Fish’s folks’ house and dig out a veritable land whale from their fence row - a 1979 Lincoln Continental - and attempt to return it to a driveable state. It needs all the things done to it after sitting for 12 years.

Does she have her boating license renewed too?

152 thedopefishlives  Apr 30, 2015 6:32:54pm

re: #150 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

That will be a labor of true love. The longer a car sits, the harder it is to restore. If the engine has not been run in a long while, the gasoline has probably dried to a kind of varnish in the carb(s), and those will need overhauling. Plus, the cylinder walls have probably rusted a bit and/or the rings have rusted to the walls, so squirting some penetrating oil into each cylinder before you crank the engine is advised.

Both of those are in the plan, along with a bunch of other things (changing all the fluids, checking the hoses, changing the belts, new tires). I’m a pretty fair hand at all things mechanical after spending my formative years in my dad’s barn, maintaining his fleet of antique John Deere tractors. Their carbs are a lot more primitive than the one on this car, but the operating principle is the same and most of it is just gasket work and cleaning all the little micro-passages.

153 thedopefishlives  Apr 30, 2015 6:35:38pm

re: #152 thedopefishlives

In addition to dropping some oil down the spark plug holes prior to turning it over, I’m also going to wiggle it with a breaker bar by hand rather than hitting the starter straight off. I don’t want to bend anything if it’s stuck, and if I can work it loose gently by hand, then everything else should add up to a purring kitten by the time I’m done. Then next year maybe I can fix some of the weather damage - it needs a new vinyl top, and Mrs. Fish says it’ll probably need some interior refurbishing from mouse attacks.

154 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 30, 2015 6:37:43pm

re: #152 thedopefishlives

Both of those are in the plan, along with a bunch of other things (changing all the fluids, checking the hoses, changing the belts, new tires). I’m a pretty fair hand at all things mechanical after spending my formative years in my dad’s barn, maintaining his fleet of antique John Deere tractors. Their carbs are a lot more primitive than the one on this car, but the operating principle is the same and most of it is just gasket work and cleaning all the little micro-passages.

I learned that last part from an old-timer mechanic who worked on my old heap years ago. Also, cranking the engine a few times with the coil wire disconnected and grounded will push the oil around inside and get things ready for when the engine is running for real.

Now I want an old car to work on. Not too many these parts, China does not yet have a huge used car market.

155 Pawn of the Oppressor  Apr 30, 2015 6:39:17pm

re: #42 EPR-radar

US conservatism in a nutshell, really. It’s all the fault of those poor people.

“Fuck everybody who isn’t like me and my friends.”

Shorter version

156 ObserverArt  Apr 30, 2015 6:40:37pm

re: #154 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I learned that last part from an old-timer mechanic who worked on my old heap years ago. Also, cranking the engine a few times with the coil wire disconnected and grounded will push the oil around inside and get things ready for when the engine is running for real.

Now I want an old car to work on. Not too many these parts, China does not yet have a huge used car market.

Pull the plugs, cut the compression and she will spin free with just a bump of the starter. It will help ‘fish even if he wants to spin it by hand with the front pulley, etc.

157 GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 30, 2015 6:41:37pm

Someone should just post Chuck’s address all over the place. But I doubt even that would shut him up.

158 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 30, 2015 6:42:21pm

re: #153 thedopefishlives

In addition to dropping some oil down the spark plug holes prior to turning it over, I’m also going to wiggle it with a breaker bar by hand rather than hitting the starter straight off. I don’t want to bend anything if it’s stuck, and if I can work it loose gently by hand, then everything else should add up to a purring kitten by the time I’m done. Then next year maybe I can fix some of the weather damage - it needs a new vinyl top, and Mrs. Fish says it’ll probably need some interior refurbishing from mouse attacks.

It’ll need de-mousing, for sure. I lived in the countryside for 16 years, and the damned mice loved building a nest in my daily driver, just below the heater core and squirrel cage fan in the HVAC system. After blenderizing a few hapless mice with the fan, I finally installed some wire mesh to keep the little buggers out.

Plus, no more smell of warmed up mouse piss.

159 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 30, 2015 6:42:41pm

re: #148 thedopefishlives

Good luck! If all else fails: Bring A Trailer.

160 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 30, 2015 6:44:18pm

re: #157 GlutenFreeJesus

Someone should just post Chuck’s address all over the place. But I doubt even that would shut him up.

One of the commenters at The Daily Banter did publish it. It’s in Clovis, CA. If Trulio and Zillow are to be believed, it’s a rental and the lease expires in June.

161 #FergusonFireside  Apr 30, 2015 6:44:20pm

re: #83 darthstar

Okay, take Baltimore off my list of vacation destinations.

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Hey, back from appt.

But to this post.

We have on our hands a shitshow.

Get ready. And be on the side of justice.

162 goddamnedfrank  Apr 30, 2015 6:44:24pm

For someone with a degree in Politics and Government Chuck repeatedly demonstrates a piss poor understanding about how government actually works. Like the time he blamed Attorney General Kamala Harris for business tax filing regs that are actually enforced by the Secretary of State’s office.

163 Cheechako  Apr 30, 2015 6:44:58pm

re: #153 thedopefishlives

I would be worried about the wiring. How’s the field mouse population in your area? Mice can easily destroy complete wiring harnesses and any fabric inside the vehicle.

164 ObserverArt  Apr 30, 2015 6:46:33pm

Later. Peace in Baltimore.

165 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 30, 2015 6:49:20pm
166 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Apr 30, 2015 6:51:28pm

re: #88 darthstar

They refer to 1 installation. I will say in advance I don’t know what a kickstrip is or where the installation takes place (in the store or at home). If it’s at home, the work time may include the time the driver meandered around town, hitting a drive-thru on the way, and counting all that time to the job. The customer may only see the installer for five minutes, but maybe that’s how the time gets skewed

167 HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2015 6:52:14pm

re: #162 goddamnedfrank

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Man he’s even dumber than I thought.

168 GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 30, 2015 6:52:40pm

re: #160 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

re: #160 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Heh. Bet he will be one of those tenants that refuses to leave or strips the place of everything valuable.

169 #FergusonFireside  Apr 30, 2015 6:53:43pm

re: #97 BeachDem

On the WaPo bullshit story—Charles Pierce, reminiscing about a certain incident in Boston (ah yes, I remember it well):

Most of all, it reminded me of a guy named Willie Bennett.

On a rainy night in 1989, a well-dressed, well-spoken thug named Charles Stuart capped his pregnant wife as they were returning from a childbirth class in the Mission Hill neighborhood of Boston.

As part of the plan, Stuart shot himself in the stomach. He told the Boston police that an unidentified black man had done the crime. This was a nice white couple from the suburbs shot in a largely African American neighborhood.

The Boston cops went completely wild, strip-searching men at random, busting down doors, and rousting everyone who looked at them crossways. Then, they heard about a kid who had been joking about his uncle’s having shot the couple. His uncle was named Willie Bennett. The cops picked him up and then fed him into the media maw, drowning out the complaints from Mission Hill about the excessive police response to the incident.

As The Master put it in another context, the newspapers, especially Mike Barnicle of The Boston Globe, went along for the ride. Not long after, my wife and I attended the annual dinner of the Boston community development organization, and we were sitting next to several of the city’s old-line African American activists.

“He shot her himself,” one of them said. “Everybody in the neighborhood knows that.”

He was right. The cops were wrong.

esquire.com

I’m way behind.

But.

The press legitimizes the racists, no research required or ever done. Susan Smith, the horrible woman who killed her kids and blamed it on black men.

They ran with this story until it was bullshit.

170 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2015 6:53:57pm

Chuck’s OPPO CLINTON SECRET PROJECT is dead, folks. Five days since the last donation. He can’t even grift any more.

171 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 30, 2015 6:54:36pm

re: #168 GlutenFreeJesus

Heh. Bet he will be one of those tenants that refuses to leave or strips the place of everything valuable.

He lives with his in-laws, who I expect are decent people who have no clue what a putz their son-in-law is online.

172 thedopefishlives  Apr 30, 2015 6:55:25pm

re: #163 Cheechako

I would be worried about the wiring. How’s the field mouse population in your area? Mice can easily destroy complete wiring harnesses and any fabric inside the vehicle.

That’s my biggest fear right now. I know there is a nest (current or past is undetermined) inside the glove box. I’ll have a look-see when I pull it out to see if they have gotten after any of the wiring, either under the dash or under the hood. If it looks reasonably intact, this should be smooth sailing; if it’s been attacked and destroyed, well, it might be time to call in a professional. A full wiring harness is above my pay grade.

173 #FergusonFireside  Apr 30, 2015 6:56:36pm

re: #110 Lord Of The Pies

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Ya know, I think cherry is the best.

174 HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2015 6:56:39pm

re: #170 Charles Johnson

Chuck’s OPPO CLINTON SECRET PROJECT is dead, folks. Five days since the last donation. He can’t even grift any more.

Hahahha.

175 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 30, 2015 6:56:51pm

re: #170 Charles Johnson

Chuck’s OPPO CLINTON SECRET PROJECT is dead, folks. Five days since the last donation. He can’t even grift any more.

He’ll cook up some lame story to try to revive it. Just you wait.

Everytime I see “oppo,” I smile a little. It’s the brand name of a Chinese-made cellphone maker, which markets mostly to women aged 18-35.

176 retired cynic  Apr 30, 2015 6:58:08pm

re: #173 #FergusonFireside

Ya know, I think cherry is the best.

My favorite was my mother’s pear crumb top, but I love the one I’m with!

177 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2015 6:58:11pm
178 GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 30, 2015 6:58:29pm

re: #171 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Is that really the case though… I seriously doubt he’s married anymore.

179 b_sharp  Apr 30, 2015 6:58:41pm

re: #173 #FergusonFireside

Ya know, I think cherry is the best.

Definitely one of the best.

180 HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2015 6:59:00pm

re: #177 Charles Johnson

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Sheesh.

181 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2015 7:00:20pm

Does Joe Rogan really not understand that Chuck was sucking up to him because he wanted something — the publicity? Good grief.

182 thedopefishlives  Apr 30, 2015 7:00:40pm

re: #181 Charles Johnson

Does Joe Rogan really not understand that Chuck was sucking up to him because he wanted something — the publicity? Good grief.

He wants to believe.

183 goddamnedfrank  Apr 30, 2015 7:02:36pm
184 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 30, 2015 7:02:58pm

re: #178 GlutenFreeJesus

Is that really the case though… I seriously doubt he’s married anymore.

He mentioned his wife and he were questioned by Capitol Police when he went to the wrong California GOP fundraiser in Bakersfield in March. So, I think he’s sill married.

185 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 30, 2015 7:03:56pm

re: #173 #FergusonFireside

Ya know, I think cherry is the best.

Cherry is great… so is Apple. My favorite would have to be Blueberry, or any other berry-based pie. I’m not a huge fan of peach or shoo-fly pie, but I’ll eat a piece or two to be polite. :)

When I did RAGBRAI (a 10,000 rider bike ride across Iowa) I tried to have a piece of pie at each and every little town we passed through. (and there were many each day). I found that any pie is better than no pie, and that I can’t eat that much pie and still be able to ride.

It’s the only time I’ve done a multiday bike ride and weighted MORE at the end than at the start.

RBS

186 #FergusonFireside  Apr 30, 2015 7:05:00pm

re: #140 Justanotherhuman

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A systemic Jim Crow going on.

187 retired cynic  Apr 30, 2015 7:05:10pm

re: #185 RealityBasedSteve

Gooseberry! Rhubarb! Custard! All of them!

188 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 30, 2015 7:05:43pm

re: #185 RealityBasedSteve

Cherry is great… so is Apple. My favorite would have to be Blueberry, or any other berry-based pie. I’m not a huge fan of peach or shoo-fly pie, but I’ll eat a piece or two to be polite. :)

When I did RAGBRAI (a 10,000 rider bike ride across Iowa) I tried to have a piece of pie at each and every little town we passed through. (and there were many each day). I found that any pie is better than no pie, and that I can’t eat as that much pie and still be able to ride.

It’s the only time I’ve done a multiday bike ride and weighted MORE at the end than at the start.

Speakin’ a which, the Derby runs tomorrow.

RBS

Derby Pie™ is concentrated death-by-sugar-overdose in disguise.

189 Kragar  Apr 30, 2015 7:06:40pm

Just curious as to why Charles blocked this guy. He usually seems harmless enough. Did I miss something?

190 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 30, 2015 7:07:46pm

re: #187 retired cynic

Gooseberry! Rhubarb! Custard! All of them!

191 BeachDem  Apr 30, 2015 7:08:10pm

Hadn’t looked at the ginger cretin’s timeline in awhile. Sheesh—what a fucking cesspool.

192 #FergusonFireside  Apr 30, 2015 7:09:00pm

re: #147 freetoken

I guessing here… but Jeb probably dropped the Murray name because it is an NRO get together, and of course Murray is one of their favorites.

It reminds me of his brother, way back in the 1999/2000 debates, when GWB would claim the Bible is his favorite book and Jesus who inspired him most.

GWB new he had to get the Bible thumpers on board.

And now, today, Jeb knows he needs the white nationalists, at least to keep them from chopping at him.

Ah memories of a complete and utter fake out.

193 William Lewis  Apr 30, 2015 7:10:02pm

Well, just got back from 4 hours of making cheap pizza and found a nice email from the Democratic Socialists of America asking for volunteers to help with Bernie’s campaign. I jumped at that one :D

It will be nice to work, no matter how without chance he has, for an actual socialist.

To paraphrase Melissa Etheridge, “Yes We Are.”

194 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2015 7:10:46pm
195 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2015 7:12:09pm

Manger of the Customer Love Team at the t-shirt printer called back and said they would be in production and mailed next-day to my house to arrive on Saturday.

I sure hope the t-shirts get here.

196 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 30, 2015 7:12:10pm

re: #191 BeachDem

Hadn’t looked at the ginger cretin’s timeline in awhile. Sheesh—what a fucking cesspool.

Best reviewed with a strong drink in hand.

I have this mental image of him as an awkward, but apparently nice guy in the meatworld, who becomes a total raging asshole on the Internet.

197 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2015 7:12:17pm

Can’t a banana cream pie get any love around here?

I do loves me some banana cream pie.

198 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 30, 2015 7:12:18pm

My favorite pies that I love to bake over and over:
1. Cherry
2. Blueberry
3. Apple
4. Lemon Meringue
5. Key Lime
6. Fresh Fruit Tart with Custard Filling
7. Cheesecake baked in a pie pan
8. Chocolate cream

Pies I will never bake again or ever:
1. Pecan
2. Shoo-Fly
3. Chess pie (aka Vinegar pie)
4. Coconut
5. Mince

199 #FergusonFireside  Apr 30, 2015 7:12:40pm

re: #162 goddamnedfrank

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One day, one day he will direct message you/email you for advice.

You are his smartest adviser.

200 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2015 7:12:46pm

KEY LIME

201 b_sharp  Apr 30, 2015 7:13:45pm

re: #197 Charles Johnson

Can’t a banana cream pie get any love around here?

I do loves me some banana cream pie.

No.

202 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2015 7:13:50pm

re: #196 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Best reviewed with a strong drink in hand.

I have this mental image of him as an awkward, but apparently nice guy in the meatworld, who becomes a total raging asshole on the Internet.

He’s not a nice guy in real life, either. That’s just how he likes to ingratiate himself to people he thinks can benefit him.

I’ve communicated with some of his former co-workers. Chuck is an evil bastard IRL too.

203 thedopefishlives  Apr 30, 2015 7:14:00pm

re: #197 Charles Johnson

Can’t a banana cream pie get any love around here?

I do loves me some banana cream pie.

Banana cream is respectable, but my mom made Mrs. Fish an Oreo pie for her birthday. OM NOM NOM NOM NOM.

Also, I think I’m the only one around here to say this, but we’ve talked about it before: Vinegar pie. There’s another name for it that I don’t remember, but yes.

204 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 30, 2015 7:14:47pm

Coconut cream pie
Sweet potato pie — the Southern version of pumpkin pie

205 retired cynic  Apr 30, 2015 7:15:25pm

re: #198 Lord Of The Pies

I love ‘em all, every last one!

206 William Lewis  Apr 30, 2015 7:15:29pm

re: #198 Lord Of The Pies

My favorite pies:
1. Cherry
2. Blueberry
3. Apple
4. Lemon Meringue
5. Key Lime
6. Fresh Fruit Tart with Custard Filling
7. Cheesecake baked in a pie pan
8. Chocolate cream

Pies I will never bake again or ever:
1. Pecan
2. Shoo-Fly
3. Chess pie (aka Vinegar pie)
4. Coconut
5. Mince

Me?
1) Apple
2) Apple (er, did I say that already? :)
3) Cherry
4) Blueberry
5) Peach
6) Rhubarb
7) Banana Cream
8) Dutch Apple :D
9) Apple Walnut
10) Apple Pear

207 TedStriker  Apr 30, 2015 7:15:31pm

re: #197 Charles Johnson

Can’t a banana cream pie get any love around here?

I do loves me some banana cream pie.

Banana cream pie’s good, but coconut cream pie’s better.

208 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2015 7:16:22pm

I think we have a consensus. Pie is good.

209 #FergusonFireside  Apr 30, 2015 7:16:27pm

re: #185 RealityBasedSteve

Cherry is great… so is Apple. My favorite would have to be Blueberry, or any other berry-based pie. I’m not a huge fan of peach or shoo-fly pie, but I’ll eat a piece or two to be polite. :)

When I did RAGBRAI (a 10,000 rider bike ride across Iowa) I tried to have a piece of pie at each and every little town we passed through. (and there were many each day). I found that any pie is better than no pie, and that I can’t eat that much pie and still be able to ride.

It’s the only time I’ve done a multiday bike ride and weighted MORE at the end than at the start.

RBS

That is called success.

210 TedStriker  Apr 30, 2015 7:16:43pm

re: #198 Lord Of The Pies

My favorite pies that I love to bake over and over:
1. Cherry
2. Blueberry
3. Apple
4. Lemon Meringue
5. Key Lime
6. Fresh Fruit Tart with Custard Filling
7. Cheesecake baked in a pie pan
8. Chocolate cream

Pies I will never bake again or ever:
1. Pecan
2. Shoo-Fly
3. Chess pie (aka Vinegar pie)
4. Coconut
5. Mince

Blasphemy!!!

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211 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 30, 2015 7:16:53pm

re: #202 Charles Johnson

He’s not a nice guy in real life, either. That’s just how he likes to ingratiate himself to people he thinks can benefit him.

I’ve communicated with some of his former co-workers. Chuck is an evil bastard IRL too.

Ah. That would explain why he never stayed at any job longer than a year. That, and his apparent aversion to following standard rules of grammar, syntax, vocabulary and fact-checking.

212 Higgs Boson's Mate  Apr 30, 2015 7:17:13pm

huckleberry pie

That is all.

213 Jenner7  Apr 30, 2015 7:17:33pm
214 #FergusonFireside  Apr 30, 2015 7:17:34pm

re: #189 Kragar

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Just curious as to why Charles blocked this guy. He usually seems harmless enough. Did I miss something?

yeah, he’s one of the biters on twitter. love them.

215 Bear  Apr 30, 2015 7:18:53pm

re: #198 Lord Of The Pies

I agree with most of the list. Would change order somewhat. And you may add raisin pie to the never list.

216 #FergusonFireside  Apr 30, 2015 7:19:44pm

re: #198 Lord Of The Pies

My favorite pies:
1. Cherry
2. Blueberry
3. Apple
4. Lemon Meringue
5. Key Lime
6. Fresh Fruit Tart with Custard Filling
7. Cheesecake baked in a pie pan
8. Chocolate cream

Pies I will never bake again or ever:
1. Pecan
2. Shoo-Fly
3. Chess pie (aka Vinegar pie)
4. Coconut
5. Mince

Ya’ll, listen to the master. Do not fuck around.

217 goddamnedfrank  Apr 30, 2015 7:21:20pm

I think Rogan is just embarrassed and doesn’t want to admit he should have at least done some due diligence and come to the interview prepared to make Chuck confront and defend his outrageous behavior. As it stands now all Rogan did was provide a venue wherein several of his less intelligent and rather latently racist fans who’d never heard of Chuck before now support him.

218 teleskiguy  Apr 30, 2015 7:22:02pm

Rhubarb pie.

219 A Cranky One  Apr 30, 2015 7:22:34pm
Pie Chart
220 TedStriker  Apr 30, 2015 7:22:55pm

re: #203 thedopefishlives

Banana cream is respectable, but my mom made Mrs. Fish an Oreo pie for her birthday. OM NOM NOM NOM NOM.

Also, I think I’m the only one around here to say this, but we’ve talked about it before: Vinegar pie. There’s another name for it that I don’t remember, but yes.

Vinegar pie is basically just chess pie with a little vinegar added to cut the sweetness down.

221 thedopefishlives  Apr 30, 2015 7:22:56pm

re: #218 teleskiguy

Rhubarb pie.

My family recipe for rhubarb pie was published in a major home magazine recently. We all laughed because there’s only one person in the family who actually likes rhubarb pie, and they had to pick THAT recipe.

222 Kragar  Apr 30, 2015 7:23:51pm

re: #219 A Cranky One

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223 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2015 7:24:23pm

re: #189 Kragar

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Just curious as to why Charles blocked this guy. He usually seems harmless enough. Did I miss something?

It must have been an accident - I don’t remember blocking him at all. Unblocked now.

224 BeachDem  Apr 30, 2015 7:24:25pm

re: #196 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Best reviewed with a strong drink in hand.

I have this mental image of him as an awkward, but apparently nice guy in the meatworld, who becomes a total raging asshole on the Internet.

I think you’re being WAYYYYYY too charitable. Look at some of the crap he pursued in college—both on his blog and, apparently, in meatworld. He’s an asshole in any venue as far as I can discern.

225 Belafon  Apr 30, 2015 7:24:45pm

re: #203 thedopefishlives

Banana cream is respectable, but my mom made Mrs. Fish an Oreo pie for her birthday. OM NOM NOM NOM NOM.

Also, I think I’m the only one around here to say this, but we’ve talked about it before: Vinegar pie. There’s another name for it that I don’t remember, but yes.

Did anyone other than Muriel Banks make a vinegar pie?

226 TedStriker  Apr 30, 2015 7:25:38pm

re: #221 thedopefishlives

My family recipe for rhubarb pie was published in a major home magazine recently. We all laughed because there’s only one person in the family who actually likes rhubarb pie, and they had to pick THAT recipe.

My grandma’s rhubarb cobbler was the bomb.

227 RadicalModerate  Apr 30, 2015 7:26:03pm

re: #198 Lord Of The Pies

My favorite pies:
1. Cherry
2. Blueberry
3. Apple
4. Lemon Meringue
5. Key Lime
6. Fresh Fruit Tart with Custard Filling
7. Cheesecake baked in a pie pan
8. Chocolate cream

Pies I will never bake again or ever:
1. Pecan
2. Shoo-Fly
3. Chess pie (aka Vinegar pie)
4. Coconut
5. Mince

Remove fruit tart and cheesecake (sorry, this one should only be prepared in a proper cheesecake pan), and add the following -

Rhubarb
Pumpkin (or sweet potato, depending on your tastes)
buttermilk

Peach is left off the list because it only belongs in a cobbler

228 teleskiguy  Apr 30, 2015 7:28:31pm

re: #221 thedopefishlives

Must be Midwest thing. All of my mom’s side of the family all live in South Dakota and Minnesota. I first ate rhubarb pie as a very young child over Christmas at my mom’s relatives in rural SW Minnesota.

I love rhubarb pie. I’ll be in Vegas this weekend, do you think they’ll have some there? Been too long since I’ve had rhubarb pie.

229 BeachDem  Apr 30, 2015 7:28:45pm

re: #211 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Ah. That would explain why he never stayed at any job longer than a year. That, and his apparent aversion to following standard rules of grammar, syntax, vocabulary and fact-checking.

And the fact that, setting aside the grammar, syntax, vocabulary and fact-checking, he’s a terrible writer. Boring, poorly constructed, scattered thought process—just plain unreadable.

230 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 30, 2015 7:29:08pm

re: #203 thedopefishlives

Banana cream is respectable, but my mom made Mrs. Fish an Oreo pie for her birthday. OM NOM NOM NOM NOM.

Also, I think I’m the only one around here to say this, but we’ve talked about it before: Vinegar pie. There’s another name for it that I don’t remember, but yes.

Also called “Chess Pie” or “A Big Bunch of Sugar Pie” or “Diabeetus Pie”

231 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2015 7:29:16pm

re: #224 BeachDem

I think you’re being WAYYYYYY too charitable. Look at some of the crap he pursued in college—both on his blog and, apparently, in meatworld. He’s an asshole in any venue as far as I can discern.

Chuck is a classic sociopath. He’s capable of being charming to people if he thinks they can help him in some way - like Joe Rogan, a guy with millions of followers, or to reporters who haven’t encountered the real Chuck yet.

But he’s a snake, and he’ll turn on anyone as soon as he thinks they’re not useful to him.

232 Belafon  Apr 30, 2015 7:30:35pm

re: #198 Lord Of The Pies

My dad’s chocolate pie, coconut cream pie, and banana pudding all start with the same initial filling, cooked in a double boiler. Way too complicated for me to sit through.

233 thedopefishlives  Apr 30, 2015 7:31:16pm

re: #228 teleskiguy

Must be Midwest thing. All of my mom’s side of the family all live in South Dakota and Minnesota. I first ate rhubarb pie as a very young child over Christmas at my mom’s relatives in rural SW Minnesota.

I love rhubarb pie. I’ll be in Vegas this weekend, do you think they’ll have some there? Been too long since I’ve had rhubarb pie.

I’m sure it is a Midwest thing. There are a lot of what you’d call “rustic” recipes around here, like the vinegar pie. Very meat and potatoes folk, us of the heartland.

234 #FergusonFireside  Apr 30, 2015 7:31:49pm

re: #231 Charles Johnson

Chuck is a classic sociopath. He’s capable of being charming to people if he thinks they can help him in some way - like Joe Rogan, a guy with millions of followers, or to reporters who haven’t encountered the real Chuck yet.

But he’s a snake, and he’ll turn on anyone as soon as he thinks they’re not useful to him.

The worst thing about Chuck is his idea that being a prick is a money maker.

235 A Cranky One  Apr 30, 2015 7:32:45pm

re: #160 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

One of the commenters at The Daily Banter did publish it. It’s in Clovis, CA. If Trulio and Zillow are to be believed, it’s a rental and the lease expires in June.

Well, Upchuck claims that they’re buying a house:

I was wondering if that was why he bumped up the Clinton “oppo” to 40K; maybe he needed a down payment for the house.

236 thedopefishlives  Apr 30, 2015 7:33:17pm

re: #235 A Cranky One

Oh, damn. No more insulting him for living in his mom’s basement.

Now he’ll just live in his wife’s basement.

237 retired cynic  Apr 30, 2015 7:33:17pm

I believe my insistent pounding on pies has helped balance out the yucky Chuckiness in this thread.

238 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 30, 2015 7:33:54pm

It’s a well know fact that upChuck doesn’t like any kind of pie. Proof!!!!

RBS

239 BeachDem  Apr 30, 2015 7:33:57pm

re: #231 Charles Johnson

Chuck is a classic sociopath. He’s capable of being charming to people if he thinks they can help him in some way - like Joe Rogan, a guy with millions of followers, or to reporters who haven’t encountered the real Chuck yet.

But he’s a snake, and he’ll turn on anyone as soon as he thinks they’re not useful to him.

And creepy—don’t forget creepy. (I truly can’t imagine anyone being charmed by someone with his outward and inward creepiness. Those half-closed eyes, the slovenly appearance—ewwww.)

240 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2015 7:34:03pm

The Politico reporter who talked to me for his profile on Chuck actually mentioned how pleasant Chuck was, too. He said Chuck told him his online persona was an act, exaggerated for effect.

And then when the article came out, Chuck turned rabid and threatened to sue.

This is who Chuck is. A person who ruthlessly exploits other people, and savagely turns on them when that seems a better way to go.

241 TedStriker  Apr 30, 2015 7:34:18pm

re: #230 Lord Of The Pies

Also called “Chess Pie” or “A Big Bunch of Sugar Pie” or “Diabeetus Pie”

242 RadicalModerate  Apr 30, 2015 7:34:50pm

re: #233 thedopefishlives

I’m sure it is a Midwest thing. There are a lot of what you’d call “rustic” recipes around here, like the vinegar pie. Very meat and potatoes folk, us of the heartland.

There is also a bit of a divide between rhubarb and mince meat pie when it comes to the “heartland” varieties. Seems that people I know swear by one or the other, but never both - if they like one, they almost invariably detest the other.

243 Belafon  Apr 30, 2015 7:34:56pm

re: #240 Charles Johnson

The Politico reporter who talked to me for his profile on Chuck actually mentioned how pleasant Chuck was, too. He said Chuck told him his online persona was an act, exaggerated for effect.

And then when the article came out, Chuck turned rabid and threatened to sue.

This is who Chuck is. A person who ruthlessly exploits other people, and savagely turns on them when that seems a better way to go.

At least he’s not a painter.

244 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2015 7:36:27pm

re: #235 A Cranky One

His wife is the one with the real job.

245 retired cynic  Apr 30, 2015 7:36:31pm

re: #242 RadicalModerate

There is also a bit of a divide between rhubarb and mince meat pie when it comes to the “heartland” varieties. Seems that people I know swear by one or the other, but never both - if they like one, they almost invariably detest the other.

Nope. Love ‘em both!

246 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2015 7:37:01pm
247 retired cynic  Apr 30, 2015 7:38:14pm

re: #246 FemNaziBitch

Love her, too.

248 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2015 7:38:49pm

hubby loves some Shepards Pie

249 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2015 7:39:40pm
250 A Cranky One  Apr 30, 2015 7:40:50pm

re: #228 teleskiguy

Must be Midwest thing. All of my mom’s side of the family all live in South Dakota and Minnesota. I first ate rhubarb pie as a very young child over Christmas at my mom’s relatives in rural SW Minnesota.

I love rhubarb pie. I’ll be in Vegas this weekend, do you think they’ll have some there? Been too long since I’ve had rhubarb pie.

Good timing on this thread. I need to remind Mrs Cranky to plant some rhubarb again this year. She grows it behind the garage, where the dogs can’t “fertilize” it. ;)

251 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2015 7:42:34pm

Weight Watchers Founder Jean Nidetch Dies At 91

252 BeachDem  Apr 30, 2015 7:43:20pm

re: #249 Charles Johnson

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Does he ever do any of his own, you know, research? He claims he’s a big-ass researcher, but all he seems to do is try to enlist other twits to do his “work” for him.

253 allegro  Apr 30, 2015 7:43:34pm

re: #245 retired cynic

Nope. Love ‘em both!

Me, too! Though I haven’t had either one since my mom died. She was the Master Baker of the family.

254 jayjaybear  Apr 30, 2015 7:44:39pm
Murray is currently a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute.

Of course he is…

255 retired cynic  Apr 30, 2015 7:44:52pm

re: #253 allegro

Ditto.

256 A Cranky One  Apr 30, 2015 7:47:04pm

re: #244 Charles Johnson

His wife is the one with the real job.

I’m sure, which is why I got a really good laugh at this:

257 goddamnedfrank  Apr 30, 2015 7:47:10pm
258 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 30, 2015 7:51:23pm

re: #235 A Cranky One

Well, Upchuck claims that they’re buying a house:

I was wondering if that was why he bumped up the Clinton “oppo” to 40K; maybe he needed a down payment for the house.

Ah, this could be true. But, he was asking for referrals to financial advisors on Twitter the other day — for his in-laws. I wonder if they are providing the DP.

259 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2015 7:52:40pm
260 goddamnedfrank  Apr 30, 2015 7:53:07pm

re: #240 Charles Johnson

I’m sure lots of people are surprised by Chuck being more amenable in person. He sets the bar so low with his stories and twitter feed that anything less than constantly screaming “shit-cock” in public comes off as comparatively reasonable behavior.

The thing is, anybody with a certain level of maturity or real world experience dealing with psychopaths sees the disparity itself as an enormous red flag. His interpersonal transmission only has two functioning gears, manipulation and abuse.

261 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2015 7:53:29pm

re: #258 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Ah, this could be true. But, he was asking for referrals to financial advisors on Twitter the other day — for his in-laws. I wonder if they are providing the DP.

Almost certainly.

262 HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2015 7:53:43pm

re: #249 Charles Johnson

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He’s such a pathetic creep.

263 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2015 7:54:35pm
264 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2015 7:55:29pm
265 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 30, 2015 7:55:43pm

re: #259 Charles Johnson

Why is he going after her again?

266 retired cynic  Apr 30, 2015 7:56:00pm

re: #263 FemNaziBitch

That almost looks shopped.

267 A Cranky One  Apr 30, 2015 7:56:11pm

re: #259 Charles Johnson

Not to mention he retweeted a call to have her dog killed. Bet she’d be thrilled to hear from him.

268 Pawn of the Oppressor  Apr 30, 2015 7:56:48pm

re: #148 thedopefishlives

I salute you, sir. I’ve just acquired a 14-year-old Italian motorcycle and I’m already facing a mountain of difficulty finding parts… I can imagine that’s a much bigger fight for an older car.

I well remember a 1976 Cadillac Fleetwood in “Florentine Gold” I came across while driving around with a friend back in high school days (1996 or so)… Pretty similar to this. It was for sale for $7,000 and it had a goldenrod leather interior that matched the paint, with some kind of lace-work overlay on the seats. It was an absolutely amazing gunboat of a car. They really don’t make them like that anymore… I have a soft spot for the monster sedans of the “old days” because of that car. Good luck to you!

269 HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2015 7:57:21pm

re: #263 FemNaziBitch

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Reminds me of a Newfoundland.

270 allegro  Apr 30, 2015 7:57:24pm

re: #264 FemNaziBitch

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I have never seen a WTF expression on an eagle before. LOL

271 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2015 7:57:25pm
272 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2015 7:58:19pm

re: #265 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Because she’s in the news again for her worker’s comp suit against the hospital, and he thinks he can feed off some of that energy.

thescoopblog.dallasnews.com

273 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2015 7:58:37pm

re: #266 retired cynic

That almost looks shopped.

National Geographic

274 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2015 7:59:14pm
275 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2015 7:59:56pm
276 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2015 8:00:09pm

By the way, I post these tweets from Chuck in our comments mainly so they’re archived in our Media Library and I can easily find them.

277 BeachDem  Apr 30, 2015 8:00:29pm

re: #274 Charles Johnson

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My, he’s quite the little traveler—Dallas this week, DC next week. However does he find the time to do all of his “work?”

278 HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2015 8:01:10pm

re: #277 BeachDem

My, he’s quite the little traveler—Dallas this week, DC next week. However does he find the time to do all of his “work?”

This is his work. Getting drunk.

279 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 30, 2015 8:01:48pm

re: #260 goddamnedfrank

I’m sure lots of people are surprised by Chuck being more amenable in person. He sets the bar so low with his stories and twitter feed that anything less than constantly screaming “shit-cock” in public comes off as comparatively reasonable behavior.

The thing is, anybody with a certain level of maturity or real world experience dealing with psychopaths sees the disparity itself as an enormous red flag. His interpersonal transmission only has two functioning gears, manipulation and abuse.

Unless someone is a very good actor and careful not to drop out of character, a toxic persona on the Internet reveals a lot about what might be buried deep beneath a person’s real world mask. Bryan J, Fischer, for example, has a lot of buried anger or revulsion about something, or he couldn’t constantly be such a hateful bigot online. As for CCJ, I was thinking more along the lines of an awkward nice guy persona at first meeting — the kind of guy who will cheerfully pose for joint selfies and ingratiate himself to certain people, but will turn on that same person in an instant if something goes even slightly wrong.

I’m sure his ex-college GF has a lot of tales to tell, if she were willing to risk his wrath again.

280 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2015 8:02:29pm

:(

281 Kragar  Apr 30, 2015 8:02:36pm
282 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 30, 2015 8:02:53pm

Ant update: after coming home on Monday night to discover the catfood absolutely crawling with them, I have been waging war.

We haven’t seen them in the kitchen after cleaning up the feeders/mopping the floor between there and the bathroom they’ve been coming in through. Today I picked up some borax at the supermarket and mixed up a borax/sugar water solution. Cotton balls soaked in that are currently in the bathroom. The ants seem …partially interested.

I don’t have any peanut butter in the house or I’d do up some of that as well.

In the meantime, the cats have been disturbed by the appearance of the mop three times so far this week (normally they’re in hiding when the housekeeper is here) and are continually whiny because the feeders aren’t producing their food, dammit.

Fingers crossed something fucking works.

283 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2015 8:03:38pm

re: #279 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The Chuck you see on Twitter is the real Chuck.

284 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 30, 2015 8:04:20pm

re: #274 Charles Johnson

And visit your hotel room later on?

If Murray is smart, he’ll decline the invitation. If he’s the kind who needs his ego stroked, CCJ will be more than happy to oblige, since he adores Murray as much as he worships Ted Cruz.

285 William Lewis  Apr 30, 2015 8:04:22pm

re: #281 Kragar

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Heh.

BTW, what show is that gif from?

286 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 30, 2015 8:05:33pm

re: #283 Charles Johnson

The Chuck you see on Twitter is the real Chuck.

Now I get it. I hope to dog never to encounter him in real life.

287 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2015 8:06:01pm

re: #282 klys (maker of Silmarils)

When I had my last ant invasion, these Terro ant traps completely got rid of them in one day.

amazon.com

288 Kragar  Apr 30, 2015 8:06:39pm

re: #285 William Lewis

Braveheart

…

289 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 30, 2015 8:07:20pm

re: #287 Charles Johnson

When I had my last ant invasion, these Terro ant traps completely got rid of them in one day.

amazon.com

Terro is essentially borax. :) I’m trying the cheap homemade route first.

290 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2015 8:07:28pm

100 year old pictures of Girl in Red

291 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2015 8:08:44pm

re: #284 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

And visit your hotel room later on?

If Murray is smart, he’ll decline the invitation. If he’s the kind who needs his ego stroked, CCJ will be more than happy to oblige, since he adores Murray as much as he worships Ted Cruz.

Murray’s in tight with the GOP establishment, and Chuck is poison to them. I predict he’ll totally ignore Chuck.

I should say, “Chuck’s poison to them but they’ll still use him to attack their enemies.”

292 Snarknado!  Apr 30, 2015 8:09:12pm

re: #282 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I cut off the ants’ food supply by putting little moats around all the cat food containers (saucers or pie pans, depending on size of container).

Could be worse. You could have a wasp nest in your kitchen window frame.

293 HappyWarrior  Apr 30, 2015 8:09:31pm

re: #291 Charles Johnson

Murray’s in tight with the GOP establishment, and Chuck is poison to them. I predict he’ll totally ignore Chuck.

I should say, “Chuck’s poison to them but they’ll still use him to attack their enemies.”

He’s someone they’ll use gladly but they won’t break bread with.

294 William Lewis  Apr 30, 2015 8:09:35pm

re: #288 Kragar

Braveheart

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Ah. Never could get past dimwit to actually watch it. Read too much of the real history of the era.

295 retired cynic  Apr 30, 2015 8:09:45pm

re: #290 FemNaziBitch

Gorgeous!

296 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2015 8:10:35pm

re: #293 HappyWarrior

He’s someone they’ll use gladly but they won’t break bread with.

Exactly. Chuck is the lunatic they’ll happily use when it’s convenient, but they don’t want him at the dinner table.

297 William Lewis  Apr 30, 2015 8:10:37pm

re: #290 FemNaziBitch

100 year old pictures of Girl in Red

Oh, that’s sweet work. Thank you for posting this.

298 A Cranky One  Apr 30, 2015 8:10:46pm

re: #276 Charles Johnson

By the way, I post these tweets from Chuck in our comments mainly so they’re archived in our Media Library and I can easily find them.

I appreciate it. When I looked for his retweet about killing Nina Pham’s dog, I found it here in one of your articles. Really beats looking at his twitter feed; doing so reminds me of the escape scene from Shawshank Redemption.

Upchucks Twitter feed
299 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2015 8:11:40pm

re: #297 William Lewis

Oh, that’s sweet work. Thank you for posting this.

There is one of Mark Twain from one of the photographers!

300 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 30, 2015 8:12:09pm

re: #268 Pawn of the Oppressor

I salute you, sir. I’ve just acquired a 14-year-old Italian motorcycle and I’m already facing a mountain of difficulty finding parts… I can imagine that’s a much bigger fight for an older car.

I well remember a 1976 Cadillac Fleetwood in “Florentine Gold” I came across while driving around with a friend back in high school days (1996 or so)… Pretty similar to this. It was for sale for $7,000 and it had a goldenrod leather interior that matched the paint, with some kind of lace-work overlay on the seats. It was an absolutely amazing gunboat of a car. They really don’t make them like that anymore… I have a soft spot for the monster sedans of the “old days” because of that car. Good luck to you!

Moto Guzzi? I was in love with them in my younger days, never had one however.

RBS

301 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 30, 2015 8:12:11pm

re: #292 Snarknado!

I cut off the ants’ food supply by putting little moats around all the cat food containers (saucers or pie pans, depending on size of container).

Could be worse. You could have a wasp nest in your kitchen window frame.

It’s true, that would be worse.

Because certain of our furry children are giant pigs, we have timed feeders. Giant huge timed feeders. The moat technique won’t work, so it’s been manual feeding since we got home. If I can get the problem corralled at the entry point (currently coming up under the toilet in the master bathroom, now that I’ve cut off the cracks in the grout by re-caulking), I’d be okay with putting the food back out, but… we’re not quite there yet.

302 calochortus  Apr 30, 2015 8:12:31pm

re: #282 klys (maker of Silmarils)

We put a few tablespoons of boric acid and sugar water in those cheap semi-disposable plastic cup size containers. Make a couple decent size holes in the cover, and leave a little solution on the top to help the ants get the idea. Works for us.
You can also try disrupting their trails by cleaning the trails thoroughly to remove the scent they lay down.

303 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2015 8:12:37pm

re: #298 A Cranky One

I appreciate it. When I looked for his retweet about killing Nina Pham’s dog, I found it here on one of your articles. Really beats looking at his twitter feed; doing so reminds me of the escape from Shawshank Redemption.

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There’s a link to the Media Library in the pop-down “Menu” at upper right, in the login panel. You should check it out. It has all the tweets and videos and audio files you’ve ever posted at LGF, easily searchable.

304 jayjaybear  Apr 30, 2015 8:12:39pm

re: #196 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I have this mental image of him as an awkward, but apparently nice guy in the meatworld, who becomes a total raging asshole on the Internet.

Where, I’m sure coincidentally, he can’t get his face bashed in by someone he’s goaded into a rage.

305 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2015 8:13:46pm

tweeting about killing someone’s dog will get you the 10th circle of Hell.

306 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2015 8:14:35pm
307 calochortus  Apr 30, 2015 8:15:37pm

re: #306 FemNaziBitch

Apparently he was rehabbed in Southern CA a few weeks ago and thought he’d try things up here for a change.

308 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 30, 2015 8:17:01pm

re: #302 calochortus

We put a few tablespoons of boric acid and sugar water in those cheap semi-disposable plastic cup size containers. Make a couple decent size holes in the cover, and leave a little solution on the top to help the ants get the idea. Works for us.
You can also try disrupting their trails by cleaning the trails thoroughly to remove the scent they lay down.

The lemon Clorox wipes do a great job of that.

We had a bad experience in the shop on Friday. I got in first, coffee maker was all set up with water, so I put coffee in, hit the button and went off to get the opening chores done.

Owner and his wife come in, and there a ton of little ants running out of the coffee maker. Apparently a soda can had leaked under the counter, and that attracted them in. We still aren’t sure why they decided to make the coffee maker home however.

Needless to say, we got a new coffee maker that afternoon. We figured that spraying it down with ant killer probably wasn’t a good idea overall.

RBS

309 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2015 8:17:13pm

re: #306 FemNaziBitch

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That might be the saddest picture I’ve ever seen.

310 Pawn of the Oppressor  Apr 30, 2015 8:19:02pm

re: #300 RealityBasedSteve

It’s a Ducati. I’d love a Guzzi too but 2 bikes in my little apartment garage is enough! If I ever hit it big I dream of a big epoxy-floored garage with organized tools and plenty of space and several bitchin’ rad bikes…

311 Great White Snark  Apr 30, 2015 8:19:28pm

re: #305 FemNaziBitch

Threaten my pets and you threaten me and my people. verbal, just internet BS., well no biggie. Take that step to any real physical action and it gets serious, Dangerously so for all involved. AFAIK anyone willing to come around and hurt an animal will be treated as a person trying to hurt me or worse, the wife.

312 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2015 8:19:43pm
313 Snarknado!  Apr 30, 2015 8:20:08pm

re: #309 Charles Johnson

That might be the saddest picture I’ve ever seen.

And about to become common, as the sea heats up and the food supply shrinks.

314 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2015 8:20:48pm
315 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2015 8:21:10pm

re: #309 Charles Johnson

That might be the saddest picture I’ve ever seen.

Rubbish is part of a much bigger crisis, researchers and advocates say, as record numbers of sea lions have washed up on California’s shores thanks to changing wind patterns and warmer ocean waters. These creatures, top predators, serve as indicators of what else is happening in the ocean, said Shawn Johnson, director of Veterinary Science at the Marine Mammal Center.

“We know everything is connected — a change in the winds is leading to thousands of sea lions stranding on the beach,” Johnson said in a statement.

Why they had to name him “Rubbish”?

316 calochortus  Apr 30, 2015 8:21:56pm

re: #308 RealityBasedSteve

They might have been tapinoma ants. They set up housekeeping in any handy, cozy space and move fairly frequently. When we lived in PA we had some that set up housekeeping between the basement insulation and the floor of the kitchen. Very convenient for raiding the pantry.

317 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2015 8:22:34pm

Can I have a Sea Lion?????

318 A Cranky One  Apr 30, 2015 8:23:37pm

re: #282 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Have you walked around the house and checked the foundation? You can often find the entry point where the ants are coming in and deal with them outside.

319 Belafon  Apr 30, 2015 8:25:35pm

re: #315 FemNaziBitch

Because SL3526 isn’t as interesting.

320 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 30, 2015 8:28:01pm

re: #308 RealityBasedSteve

The lemon Clorox wipes do a great job of that.

We had a bad experience in the shop on Friday. I got in first, coffee maker was all set up with water, so I put coffee in, hit the button and went off to get the opening chores done.

Owner and his wife come in, and there a ton of little ants running out of the coffee maker. Apparently a soda can had leaked under the counter, and that attracted them in. We still aren’t sure why they decided to make the coffee maker home however.

Needless to say, we got a new coffee maker that afternoon. We figured that spraying it down with ant killer probably wasn’t a good idea overall.

RBS

Our rented coffee maker at one former workplace had a roach colony inside. They made it their home over the summer, while school was closed. Of course, we didn’t discover their presence until we’d already made a few pots.

321 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 30, 2015 8:29:07pm

re: #318 A Cranky One

Have you walked around the house and checked the foundation? You can often find the entry point where the ants are coming in and deal with them outside.

We have a raised perimeter foundation (my understanding) which means it’s quite possible that the nest is below the house (again, my understanding).

I refuse to go down and check.

322 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2015 8:30:03pm

maybe he liked to get in the garbage

323 BeachDem  Apr 30, 2015 8:31:13pm

re: #279 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Unless someone is a very good actor and careful not to drop out of character, a toxic persona on the Internet reveals a lot about what might be buried deep beneath a person’s real world mask. Bryan J, Fischer, for example, has a lot of buried anger or revulsion about something, or he couldn’t constantly be such a hateful bigot online. As for CCJ, I was thinking more along the lines of an awkward nice guy persona at first meeting — the kind of guy who will cheerfully pose for joint selfies and ingratiate himself to certain people, but will turn on that same person in an instant if something goes even slightly wrong.

I’m sure his ex-college GF has a lot of tales to tell, if she were willing to risk his wrath again.

Maybe I just have a highly sensitive creep sensor. There are some people who just totally creep me out when I am around them. Tim Scott, our esteemed Senator, is one of them.

Any time I’ve been in the same room with him, I have an extreme visceral reaction, chills up and down my spine, and I can’t get away fast enough. There is just something about him that sets off alarms.

I believe, even if I didn’t know what I already know about him, that upchuck would cause the same reaction. There is just something creepy about his persona.

324 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2015 8:31:34pm

What did I say yesterday?

325 goddamnedfrank  Apr 30, 2015 8:31:45pm

Still don’t get why Chuck was trying to deny that he’d been business partners with Joel S Gilbert earlier, and that the two of them launched GotNews together. Was that just his ego talking, a need to pretend he built that crapshack by himself?

326 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2015 8:32:06pm
327 retired cynic  Apr 30, 2015 8:32:34pm

re: #323 BeachDem

Reagan affected me that way. I don’t mean that I met him; just that my hair rose up when I saw or heard him.

328 A Cranky One  Apr 30, 2015 8:33:59pm

re: #321 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Husband’s knee surgery tomorrow? Best wishes and positive thoughts if so.

329 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2015 8:34:19pm

George and Brad Takei —groan!

330 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 30, 2015 8:34:31pm

re: #323 BeachDem

Maybe I just have a highly sensitive creep sensor. There are some people who just totally creep me out when I am around them. Tim Scott, our esteemed Senator, is one of them.

Any time I’ve been in the same room with him, I have an extreme visceral reaction, chills up and down my spine, and I can’t get away fast enough. There is just something about him that sets off alarms.

I believe, even if I didn’t know what I already know about him, that upchuck would cause the same reaction. There is just something creepy about his persona.

Some people can’t help but exude their inner self, no matter how much they try to disguise it. Something in their manner, or their eyes, or speech patterns, or all of that can send up alarms. If dogs bark at them for no apparent reason, and toddlers avoid them or cry when nearby, chances are something is wrong.

331 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2015 8:35:00pm

re: #330 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Some people can’t help but exude their inner self, no matter how much they try to disguise it. Something in their manner, or their eyes, or speech patterns, or all of that can send up alarms. If dogs bark at them for no apparent reason, and toddlers avoid them or cry when nearby, chances are something is wrong.

IN DOG I TRUST!

332 Kragar  Apr 30, 2015 8:35:03pm

re: #322 FemNaziBitch

A man is watching a little girl play in the park with her dog. He asks her what her name is.

“Blossom”.

He says “What a pretty name. How did you get such a pretty name?”

“When my momma was pregnant, she walked outside and a cherry blossom fell on her stomach just as she felt the first contraction, so she named me blossom.”

He says “What a beautiful name for such a beautiful girl. What is your dog’s name?”

“His name is Porky.”

He says “That is cute. How did he get that name?”

“He likes to fuck pigs.”

333 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 30, 2015 8:35:40pm

re: #328 A Cranky One

Husband’s knee surgery tomorrow? Best wishes and positive thoughts if so.

It is. We have a 4am wakeup, he’s in surgery at 7. Should be home by 10, assuming all goes well and traffic doesn’t suck too horribly on the way home.

I have the fixings for chicken noodle soup with matzoh balls (his request) and a bunch of other favorites to cook for him this weekend.

334 A Cranky One  Apr 30, 2015 8:36:48pm

re: #331 FemNaziBitch

IN DOG I TRUST!

We’ll sea. They could be lion. /runs away

335 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 30, 2015 8:37:53pm

re: #334 A Cranky One

We’ll sea. They could be lion. /runs away

This almost, almost tempts me to share the really bad joke my dad has been telling about some recent news involving his employer.

It is completely and absolutely a horrible engineer joke.

336 BeachDem  Apr 30, 2015 8:39:04pm

re: #327 retired cynic

Reagan affected me that way. I don’t mean that I met him; just that my hair rose up when I saw or heard him.

Well, now that you mention it, Ted Cruz does that to me now, and thank dog, I’ve never been in the same room with him.

337 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2015 8:39:24pm
338 A Cranky One  Apr 30, 2015 8:39:24pm

re: #335 klys (maker of Silmarils)

This almost, almost tempts me to share the really bad joke my dad has been telling about some recent news involving his employer.

It is completely and absolutely a horrible engineer joke.

Well, as a completely and absolutely horrible engineer, I must hear it now!

339 A Cranky One  Apr 30, 2015 8:41:13pm

re: #336 BeachDem

Well, now that you mention it, Ted Cruz does that to me now, and thank dog, I’ve never been in the same room with him.

You have good instincts. I have the same reaction.

340 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 30, 2015 8:41:42pm

re: #338 A Cranky One

Well, as a completely and absolutely horrible engineer, I must hear it now!

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341 retired cynic  Apr 30, 2015 8:41:44pm

re: #336 BeachDem

You know, there are a group of prominent R’s that affect me that way now. None perhaps as strongly as Reagan did, but Cruz is certainly up there. His father more so.

342 No Country For Old Haters  Apr 30, 2015 8:42:41pm

re: #256 A Cranky One

I’m sure, which is why I got a really good laugh at this:

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I find it hard to believe that his fake news site is getting enough ad income to pay for itself and earn chuck some pocket cash. He probably consider his fundraisers to support his “investigations” to be income.

343 CuriousLurker  Apr 30, 2015 8:43:35pm

OFFS: I just now got around to looking at some of today’s Google alerts. Guess who’s responsible for the brutality in the Baltimore PD? (Three guesses, the first two don’t count.)

Wait for it…

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Israel.

SURPRISE! //

Nation of Islam group says Israeli security trained Baltimore cops
*facepalm, headdesk*

344 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2015 8:43:53pm

hmmmm

345 BeachDem  Apr 30, 2015 8:45:01pm

re: #330 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Some people can’t help but exude their inner self, no matter how much they try to disguise it. Something in their manner, or their eyes, or speech patterns, or all of that can send up alarms. If dogs bark at them for no apparent reason, and toddlers avoid them or cry when nearby, chances are something is wrong.

Without comment:

346 A Cranky One  Apr 30, 2015 8:45:30pm

re: #340 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Private Comment

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347 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 30, 2015 8:46:06pm

re: #345 BeachDem

Case in point.

Wait for the eventual Cruz-holding-squalling-baby photos.

348 calochortus  Apr 30, 2015 8:46:18pm

Goodnight Lizards. Hasta mañana.

349 Kragar  Apr 30, 2015 8:46:26pm

re: #340 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I had a co-worker going the other day. We had been talking about advances in medical science made over the last few years. I told him about a radical new procedure they had pioneered in Europe, where they could graft a donor penis onto another person, for both reconstructive surgery for injuries and for sexual reassignment surgery.

He was totally amazed that such a procedure was even possible.

“Yeah, they call it an Addadicktome.”

The look on his face was priceless.

350 goddamnedfrank  Apr 30, 2015 8:46:43pm

Wait, they finally released Volgarr the Viking for Mac, and it’s on sale 80% off on Steam? Fuck yes!

351 goddamnedfrank  Apr 30, 2015 8:48:39pm

re: #344 FemNaziBitch

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hmmmm

True but the UK police use of biting sarcasm has left deep and lasting wounds.

352 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 30, 2015 8:49:21pm

re: #346 A Cranky One

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353 BeachDem  Apr 30, 2015 8:50:38pm

re: #347 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Case in point.

Wait for the eventual Cruz-holding-squalling-baby photos.

He’ll have his hands full, so to speak, holding all of those Hispanic babies whose parents have worked their fingers to the bones, displaying true conservative values.
//

354 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2015 8:50:42pm
355 Kragar  Apr 30, 2015 8:51:18pm

re: #351 goddamnedfrank

They know all the tricks; dramatic irony, metaphor, bathos, puns, parody, litotes and satire.

356 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 30, 2015 8:51:38pm

re: #342 No Country For Old Haters

I find it hard to believe that his fake news site is getting enough ad income to pay for itself and earn chuck some pocket cash. He probably consider his fundraisers to support his “investigations” to be income.

He only said it made a profit last quarter, not how much profit.

357 bratwurst  Apr 30, 2015 8:52:02pm

re: #343 CuriousLurker

OFFS: I just now got around to looking at some of today’s Google alerts. Guess who’s responsible for the brutality in the Baltimore PD? (Three guesses, the first two don’t count.)

Wait for it…

Israel.

SURPRISE! //

Nation of Islam group says Israeli security trained Baltimore cops
*facepalm, headdesk*

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The ultimate alpha male, Glenn Greenwald, got up to the same shenanigans last summer:

358 A Cranky One  Apr 30, 2015 8:53:28pm

re: #352 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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359 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 30, 2015 8:55:01pm

Burning First World Question:

Will the Mozilla Foundation ever fix the Firefox memory leak? I had four tabs open, and within an hour, FF was already using almost 500MB of RAM. My laptop’s CPU fan was going crazy. Closed FF, fan is back to normal.

360 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2015 8:55:52pm

Please retweet this, folks - especially anyone who’s in Texas. This is no joke. Nina Pham needs to know Chuck’s looking for her.

361 FemNaziBitch  Apr 30, 2015 8:55:52pm

bbl

362 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2015 8:55:56pm
363 BeachDem  Apr 30, 2015 8:56:01pm
364 CuriousLurker  Apr 30, 2015 8:56:08pm

re: #357 bratwurst

The ultimate alpha male, Glenn Greenwald, got up to the same shenanigans last summer:

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I missed that one (thankfully). I can’t stand GG, so I never read his articles.

365 Charles Johnson  Apr 30, 2015 8:59:21pm
366 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 30, 2015 9:01:01pm

re: #365 Charles Johnson

Oh, yeah. I forgot he’s in Dallas now.

367 Great White Snark  Apr 30, 2015 9:05:04pm

re: #343 CuriousLurker

Good on you for digging in. I would stop cold at “Nation of Islam says”. Are those guys not regarded as rank heretics or worse by mainstream Islam pretty much across the board?

368 CuriousLurker  Apr 30, 2015 9:09:11pm

re: #367 Great White Snark

Good on you for digging in. I would stop cold at “Nation of Islam says”. Are those guys not regarded as rank heretics or worse by mainstream Islam pretty much across the board?

They were. I’d heard they were supposedly trying to go more mainstream, but they still seem pretty far out there to me.

369 CuriousLurker  Apr 30, 2015 9:11:20pm

It’s past midnight here, so I’m out.

Later, lizards.

370 Targetpractice  Apr 30, 2015 9:14:47pm

Well, having seen Age of Ultron tonight, I have one thing to say: Joss Whedon is a damned troll to fans!

371 Kragar  Apr 30, 2015 9:15:04pm
372 Kragar  Apr 30, 2015 9:15:24pm

re: #370 Targetpractice

Well, having seen Age of Ultron tonight, I have one thing to say: Joss Whedon is a damned troll to fans!

Not seeing it till Saturday

373 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 30, 2015 9:16:02pm

re: #371 Kragar

Apartheid-era passbooks in the RSA.

374 Targetpractice  Apr 30, 2015 9:16:46pm

re: #372 Kragar

Not seeing it till Saturday

I know, hence why I’m not getting any more spoiler-ish.

375 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 30, 2015 9:19:50pm

re: #374 Targetpractice

I know, hence why I’m not getting any more spoiler-ish.

Opens 5/12 in China.

376 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 30, 2015 9:20:06pm

re: #370 Targetpractice

Well, having seen Age of Ultron tonight, I have one thing to say: Joss Whedon is a damned troll to fans!

I saw Ex Machina this afternoon. Highly recommended. I’m saving AoU until later in the week probably.

RBS

377 Targetpractice  Apr 30, 2015 9:24:17pm

Bah, ya’ll are no fun.//

Well, I’ve had my fun for the night, so now some much needed rest. Later.

378 William Lewis  Apr 30, 2015 9:37:07pm

re: #375 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Opens 5/12 in China.

I’ll not worry till it’s on Netflix as Irondick is involved. How soon till Guardians of the Galaxy II comes out? ////

379 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 30, 2015 9:37:59pm

re: #206 William Lewis

Me?
1) Apple
2) Apple (er, did I say that already? :)
3) Cherry
4) Blueberry
5) Peach
6) Rhubarb
7) Banana Cream
8) Dutch Apple :D
9) Apple Walnut
10) Apple Pear

I’ve been modifying one of my apple pie recipes by adding a cup of dried cranberries to the filling. Said cranberries diced a bit and then soaked in a TBSP of Bénédictine for a half hour or so.

380 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 30, 2015 9:39:15pm

re: #359 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Burning First World Question:

Will the Mozilla Foundation ever fix the Firefox memory leak? I had four tabs open, and within an hour, FF was already using almost 500MB of RAM. My laptop’s CPU fan was going crazy. Closed FF, fan is back to normal.

I gave up on Firefox due to it bringing my laptop to its knees. Switched over to Google Chrome and seeing a lot lower memory use.

381 teleskiguy  Apr 30, 2015 9:44:35pm

The Aurora, CO theater shooting trial began on Monday. It’s expected to last five months. Survivors of the massacre are testifying.

On Tuesday, the prosecution’s first witness, Katie Medley, described how she was nine months pregnant when she went to see the movie with her husband Caleb, an aspiring stand-up comedian.

Her husband, who was shot through the eye, testified briefly from his wheelchair, just a few feet away from Holmes, who looked on expressionless.

The brain injury Caleb Medley suffered left him unable to walk or speak clearly. Instead, he pointed at an alphabet board to spell out his answers as he confirmed his name.

After the gunfire began, his wife said she quickly realized he was badly hurt: “I saw blood pouring from his face, and I knew he got shot in the head,” she told the hushed courtroom.

[…]

Another survivor, Munirih Gravelly, an employee of Aurora’s Buckley Air Force Base, went to the Century 16 multiplex with a friend who was killed there.

She said the movie had been playing for about 15 or 20 minutes when a tear gas canister was thrown into theater nine, and then the shooting started. She lay on the floor.

“I heard all the gunfire and a lot of yelling, you know, out of confusion, but then it shortly turned to screams. I heard a lot of people calling other people’s names,” she said.

During a pause in the shooting, she tried to crawl to safety, but froze when the shots began again.

Finally the gunfire and the movie stopped, and the lights came on.

“Then I could see down the aisle I was in, and I wouldn’t have been able to get out anyway because there were bodies in it,” Gravelly said. She had to step over her friend’s corpse to leave.

The perpetrator of this crime is a monster, insane or not. Whatever happens to him, he cannot be a part of society ever again.

If found guilty at trial the jury will decide whether to apply the death penalty, which is a goddamned clusterfuck as it is in Colorado. We’re the most wishy-washy fuckin’ state in the union IMO in re: the death penalty. Three guys are on death row right now (one guy for 22 years) and the litigation for those guys has cost taxpayers millions over the years. We’ve executed exactly one prisoner since the Supreme Court declared the death penalty constitutional in 1977. Gov. John Hickenlooper gave one of the death row inmates (the 22-year-long inmate) an indefinite reprieve right before an election he was running in. He was re-elected and has sole authority to grant any death row inmate a commutation to life in prison, which no governor of Colorado has ever done.

All four of the death row inmates I’ve described above, and the Aurora theater shooter in the midst of a death row trial, these are all very bad actors, unsavory characters who killed people in cold blood. That fact is not in dispute. But the application of their sentence? It’s bullshit.

*rant off, sorry for such a long comment*


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