Ted Cruz Latest Republican To Fall for Loony Conspiracy Theory

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Rand Paul, Abbot of Texas, now Ted Cruz. If they aren’t directly and blatantly pandering to the nutjob Base of their party, then they are all complete Idiots. With a capital I.

I bet Harvard wishes they could just erase this particular alumnus from their ranks. What a fucking embarrassment.

Speaking at the South Carolina Republican Party’s annual convention Saturday, the Texas senator told Bloomberg’s David Weigel that his office had contacted the Pentagon about the exercise, which officially consists of a series of training drills throughout the Southwest for about 1,200 special operations personnel, including Green Berets and Navy SEALs. Conspiracy theorists operating on the fringes of the conservative blogosphere, however, have other ideas about what the exercise, known as Jade Helm 15, is intended to do - such as implement martial law, seize Americans’ guns, and imprison political dissidents.

Rather than squash those theories outright, Cruz apparently decided it was better to be safe than sorry.

“My office has reached out to the Pentagon to inquire about this exercise,” he said. “We are assured it is a military training exercise. I have no reason to doubt those assurances, but I understand the reason for concern and uncertainty, because when the federal government has not demonstrated itself to be trustworthy in this administration, the natural consequence is that many citizens don’t trust what it is saying.”

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228 comments
1 RealityBasedSteve  May 2, 2015 9:59:19pm

I read that first as Ted Nugent. Oh well…. getting so that you can’t tell the wackos without a scorecard.

RBS

2 Eclectic Cyborg  May 2, 2015 10:13:03pm

This from a guy who wants to be our next President.

He also has kind words for Abbott too:

“I have a great deal of faith and confidence in Governor Abbott,” the senator said to Bloomberg. “He is a long-time friend and mentor of mine.”

3 Drive By Commenter  May 3, 2015 6:21:52am

He just took pandering to a whole new level. He then should have stated that he could not do anything about the Boogie Man or the creature under the bed, but would be looking into it. maybe start a petition in Congress or something.

4 Eigth Immortal  May 3, 2015 6:53:34am

So, somebody please remind me how the Republicans are the pro-military or strong on defense party again? Oh right, they aren’t really.

5 sizzzzlerz  May 3, 2015 6:55:51am

It used to be these nutjobs were only heard from at 1 a.m. on some clear channel AM station blasting out of Juarez, Mexico. Now they’re GOP senators and governors. How far we’ve come.

6 Drive By Commenter  May 3, 2015 7:05:01am

re: #5 sizzzzlerz

It used to be these nutjobs were only heard from at 1 a.m. on some clear channel AM station blasting out of Juarez, Mexico. Now they’re GOP senators and governors. How far we’ve come.

Overnight AM radio is now Prime Time.

7 No Country For Old Haters  May 3, 2015 9:10:23am

re: #3 Drive By Commenter

He just took pandering to a whole new level.

Yes, it’s clear from this article that Cruz didn’t actually fall for this insane conspiracy theory, but wants to be seen by the nutjobs as someone who takes their concerns seriously. He knows he’s completely full of shit. We see this a lot from the right-wing con-men who are working the wingnut rubes.

8 Kid A  May 3, 2015 10:11:17am

For the last fucking time, THIS IN NOT SOME FRINGE ELEMENT OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY! IT IS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!

9 Kid A  May 3, 2015 10:11:44am

re: #5 sizzzzlerz

It used to be these nutjobs were only heard from at 1 a.m. on some clear channel AM station blasting out of Juarez, Mexico. Now they’re GOP senators and governors. How far we’ve come.

And presidential candidates.

10 makeitstop  May 3, 2015 10:11:57am

Yeah, but most conservatives don’t go in for this shit.
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11 Justanotherhuman  May 3, 2015 10:14:13am

Maybe Cruz should have attended the briefing given by the Army in TX the other day?

Or at least looked it up on the Intertubes.

Bastrop Co. addresses ‘Jade Helm 15’ concerns

kvue.com

12 makeitstop  May 3, 2015 10:17:31am

re: #11 Justanotherhuman

Maybe Cruz should have attended the briefing given by the Army in TX the other day?

Or at least looked it up on the Intertubes.

Bastrop Co. addresses ‘Jade Helm 15’ concerns

kvue.com

Too easy. He has to make it look like he’s going to be privy to the most top-secret-est of info, stuff that the average wingnut couldn’t find out without him.

That said, I’ll bet he doesn’t even bother telling anyone his ‘findings,’ because they won’t fit the paranoid narrative that his wingnut devotees want it to.

13 b_sharp  May 3, 2015 10:17:42am

Stonekettle hits it again.

stonekettle.com

14 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  May 3, 2015 10:21:02am

re: #8 Kid A

For the last fucking time, THIS IN NOT SOME FRINGE ELEMENT OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY! IT IS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!

I posted something like this at the tail end of the last thread, but The Republicans need you. The sanity flight is leaving the reins to one of the country’s most important institutions in the hands of the wingnuts.

15 Jay in Oregon  May 3, 2015 10:21:50am

re: #5 sizzzzlerz

It used to be these nutjobs were only heard from at 1 a.m. on some clear channel AM station blasting out of Juarez, Mexico. Now they’re GOP senators and governors. How far we’ve come.

America: the land of opportunity!

16 Timothy Watson  May 3, 2015 10:22:12am

Anyone remember when McConnell asked the Pentagon if the prisoners at Gitmo were getting G.I. Bill benefits because some obviously satirical website had posted a story saying as such as a joke about servicemen being tortured fighting with the VA to get their G.I. Bill benefits?

17 Timothy Watson  May 3, 2015 10:24:04am

re: #8 Kid A

For the last fucking time, THIS IN NOT SOME FRINGE ELEMENT OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY! IT IS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!

And it’s been that way for awhile. One of the major things that made me break from the Republican Party was the Republican Party of Virginia had no problem nominating a militia member, who had blamed the federal government for the Oklahoma City bombing, to be their nominee for a state house seat in 2009.

18 stpaulbear  May 3, 2015 10:26:44am

re: #13 b_sharp

Stonekettle hits it again.

stonekettle.com

Glad you posted that link in this thread. The previous thread has a lot of discussion about Wright’s righteous rant. A must-read.

Edit: Wright’s post is the ‘must read’, not the previous thread.

19 Justanotherhuman  May 3, 2015 10:27:25am

re: #12 makeitstop

I wish the Senate would censure his ass. And other wingnut types, Tom Cotton, for instance.

They do nothing to help get anything done, just to further their own careers by pandering to the lowest elements of their party.

20 b_sharp  May 3, 2015 10:28:56am

re: #18 stpaulbear

Glad you posted that link in this thread. The previous thread has a lot of discussion about Wright’s righteous rant. A must-read.

I’ve been busy landscaping so I didn’t see it on the other thread.

21 Skip Intro  May 3, 2015 10:31:37am

I don’t know how much more of this cosmic stupidity I can take. These loons and their followers are really starting to scare me.

22 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  May 3, 2015 10:32:10am

re: #18 stpaulbear

Glad you posted that link in this thread. The previous thread has a lot of discussion about Wright’s righteous rant. A must-read.

I went down a couple of of posts and found this gem:
“You are the very absolutists, the very religious fanatics, this country was designed to protect its citizens from.

“You are, in point of fact, the small men your own prophet spoke so forcefully against and in that story? You’re not the ones who carried the cross, you’re the ones who pounded in the nails. “

23 ObserverArt  May 3, 2015 10:32:32am

I’m going to put a comment I just made in response to SteveMcGaziBolaGate in the last thread…who has picked up his point in number #14 above.

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I disagree. The Republican seems to have abandoned the idea of representing anyone other than the ultra rich. How will you turn that around? Sane moderates are being ignored. You cannot help that which does not want to be helped. I think any attempt like you say is naive and enabling.

It’s like the drug addict that doesn’t want help or intervention. They either end up asking for it after they have fallen as far down as they can go, or they die. I am thinking we are going to see that death, they sure show no signs of wanting actual help. They do like enablers and people that excuse them. That keeps them alive, not viable, but able to keep up the abuse.

Remember how they said 2016 would be different? They would throw that big tent open and invite everyone form every ilk into it. They lied. They will keep lying. How long will they keep lying? As long as they can read responses like your’s and Dark’s. In fact they count on it.

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Later! I’m going into lurk mode and working some more on my wood trim projects.

24 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  May 3, 2015 10:36:01am

re: #23 ObserverArt

Just for the halibut, I’ll paste my response over here:
I am aware of these things. The only one I disagree with is that the Republican Party will die. It won’t. The craziness is here to stay, and the only recourse is to hold your nose, jump in the pool and crowd them out.

25 b_sharp  May 3, 2015 10:36:24am

Am I walking too close to the conspiracy cliff edge by wondering if this might be more than a little true?

mondoweiss.net

26 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 3, 2015 10:37:33am

re: #24 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Just for the halibut, I’ll paste my response over here:
I am aware of these things. The only one I disagree with is that the Republican Party will die. It won’t. The craziness is here to stay, and the only recourse is to hold your nose, jump in the pool and crowd them out.

Which candidate would you endorse as the sane choice for the Republican nominee for President in this cycle? Noting, of course, their behavior during the primary season in tacking to the right.

Just curious.

27 Justanotherhuman  May 3, 2015 10:39:00am

It’s not as though Cruz, Cotton and their ilk don’t have enough help to get the facts. They don’t want that, though, they want dissension.

senate.gov

Starting at page 6, you can see they all have more than $1M/yr each to operate their offices, called an MRA (Members’ Representational Allowances).

In 2014, each Members’ MRA increased by 1% from the 2013 level.17 The 2014 allowances ranged from $1,195,554 to $1,370,009, with an average MRA of $1,255,909.18.

The MRA is funded in the House “Salaries and Expenses” account in the annual legislative branch appropriations bills.

28 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 3, 2015 10:39:32am

re: #25 b_sharp

Am I walking too close to the conspiracy cliff edge by wondering if this might be more than a little true?

mondoweiss.net

They post all sorts of way-out-there stuff.

29 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  May 3, 2015 10:40:09am

Rachel Maddow had an interesting segment a couple of weeks ago in which she explained how the Republicans took advantage of the confluence of the 2010 midterms, low voter turnout and the 2010 census (and subsequent redistricting) to leverage their minority into a lasting power bloc. It isn’t going to be easy to undo these things, especially with the ways Democrats only show up for Presidential elections, and even then it’s closer than I would care for.

30 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 3, 2015 10:41:21am

The Republican leadership can’t cut the nutjobs loose, though. They’re aware of the demographics. Even 11 years ago, a Republican “wartime president” in the middle of a war, managed to pull out a small victory against a candidate whose character they managed to successfully assassinate just before the election. That required a gay marriage scare to get some of the most backward knuckledraggers to the polls—and if the fix hadn’t been in in Ohio (like Karl Rove thought it was in 2012), they would have lost the electoral vote.

Things have only gotten worse for them now. They have to hang onto this progressively shrinking but ever crazier and crazier segment, or they’re done for good. With gerrymandering, they can hang onto the House indefinitely, but it’s going to take massive voter suppression to win the White House ever again. Maybe they have enough State Houses that they can do it—but the number of people who are going to be turned away from the polls is going to start looking bad. If they do enough of it to win that is.

They just can’t give up the Crazy Vote™—and they won’t.

31 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 3, 2015 10:42:22am

In other news, UpChuck-for-brains is still drunk and tweeting nonsense.
Today, he wonders what it will take for twitter to suspend him.
Oh, and last night’s twitter crapfest was him just joking while drunk…

32 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  May 3, 2015 10:42:31am

re: #26 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Which candidate would you endorse as the sane choice for the Republican nominee for President in this cycle? Noting, of course, their behavior during the primary season in tacking to the right.

Just curious.

It’s too late to have any influence on this election cycle because the party is so far skewed to the right. I wouldn’t vote for any of these assholes, and I’m a Republican. Normal people have to run and have legitimate support in the primaries in order to begin the process of restoring sanity.

33 Dark_Falcon  May 3, 2015 10:42:32am

I first encountered the whole ‘Jade Helm matter with this article. That weaponsman.com article talked about the conspiracism in order to debunk it, and proceeded to deliver a strong dose of Special Forces Reality. As such, it proven an excellent vaccination against this form of conspiracist insanity.

Send the linked to article to anyone you know who mentions Jade Helm as a ‘front for a UN takeover’ or some such thing. It may help them fight off the Alex Jones infection.

Warning: ‘Hognose’, the writer of the article, is seriously hostile to recent events in Baltimore, he’s always skeptical of the ‘liberal media’ and he doesn’t like Barack Obama much at all (though he’s not a birther). But those traits are why his piece should be sent to those right-of-center who are “Jonesin”: He’s a source they’ll listen to.

34 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 3, 2015 10:44:09am

re: #33 Dark_Falcon

The lunatic fringe will not listen to anyone who does not follow the preferred wingnut narrative.

35 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 3, 2015 10:47:33am

re: #32 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

It’s too late to have any influence on this election cycle because the party is so far skewed to the right. I wouldn’t vote for any of these assholes, and I’m a Republican. Normal people have to run and have legitimate support in the primaries in order to begin the process of restoring sanity.

The primary hasn’t happened yet and you’re saying it’s too late in the election cycle to have influence.

And yet you’re encouraging people to register and vote in the Republican primary, and you didn’t add any of those caveats before.

For the record, I’m not going to - I’d rather have influence on the downticket D races where I live. There’s other Lizards here who already do that, because they live in places where that’s the only way to have any say in the general election. To each their own. The Republican party as it’s existed for the past 29 years has been of little interest to me anyway - I have no desire to live in a Christian theocracy where I am a second class citizen and don’t have complete rights to my own body.

36 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  May 3, 2015 10:48:06am

re: #30 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

“They just can’t give up the Crazy VoteTM—and they won’t.”

They had the crazy vote for a couple of decades now. It varies in intensity, but hasn’t really had such a grip on the party until the last 20 years or so.

37 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 3, 2015 10:48:38am
38 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 3, 2015 10:50:36am
39 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 3, 2015 10:51:07am

re: #38 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

‘Red Dwarf’ to return for two new seasons in 2016 and 2017.

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!

40 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  May 3, 2015 10:53:02am

re: #35 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The primary hasn’t happened yet and you’re saying it’s too late in the election cycle to have influence.

And yet you’re encouraging people to register and vote in the Republican primary, and you didn’t add any of those caveats before.

For the record, I’m not going to - I’d rather have influence on the downticket D races where I live. There’s other Lizards here who already do that, because they live in places where that’s the only way to have any say in the general election. To each their own. The Republican party as it’s existed for the past 29 years has been of little interest to me anyway - I have no desire to live in a Christian theocracy where I am a second class citizen and don’t have complete rights to my own body.

Come on, you know that it takes a long time to organize a campaign. That’s why it’s too late for a sane Prez candidate in this cycle. I encourage people to register in order to start the process of getting normal people to run for downticket races. You may have no desire for a Christian Theocracy, but the Democrats aren’t doing a whole hell of a lot to stop them, if you haven’t noticed.

41 Dark_Falcon  May 3, 2015 10:53:45am

But for me, the association I keep coming back to is:

Jade Helm relates to Jade Falcon. So here’s some big stompy robots (and one space fighter) from the unit whose insignia I used for my avatar.

BBL

42 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 3, 2015 10:56:59am

re: #40 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Come on, you know that it takes a long time to organize a campaign. That’s why it’s too late for a sane Prez candidate in this cycle. I encourage people to register in order to start the process of getting normal people to run for downticket races. You may have no desire for a Christian Theocracy, but the Democrats aren’t doing a whole hell of a lot to stop them, if you haven’t noticed.

And when the “normal” Republicans caucus with the crazies, that’s doing an awful lot to stop them, right?

Seriously, you want to vote Republican, go ahead. I choose to vote in a primary where the candidates actually reflect my position on the issues, instead of holding my nose to try and choose the least-bad. But let’s not pretend that the so-called “normal” Republicans are doing anything to stand in the way of the crazies, right now, because that’s complete and utter bullshit.

43 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 3, 2015 10:58:38am

With the word “Jade” in the name of the exercise, the wingnuts haven’t started hyperventilating about a Chinese takeover? Obama giving them Texas in exchange for our debt, maybe? I am disappoint!

44 ObserverArt  May 3, 2015 10:58:56am

re: #24 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Just for the halibut, I’ll paste my response over here:
I am aware of these things. The only one I disagree with is that the Republican Party will die. It won’t. The craziness is here to stay, and the only recourse is to hold your nose, jump in the pool and crowd them out.

Saw your comment as I was catching up before going into lurk mode.

What ever happened to the Federalist Party? You might want to check all that out. I do believe it had something to do with the party’s elitism and serving the rich.

The name and makeup of our two parties is not set in stone and isn’t really even mentioned in the US Constitution.

Change the name of the second party, clean it up and we can all move on, with a hard lesson learned for those that need it.

45 stpaulbear  May 3, 2015 10:59:55am

re: #40 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

You may have no desire for a Christian Theocracy, but the Democrats aren’t doing a whole hell of a lot to stop them, if you haven’t noticed.

OK, that’s just wrong. What I’ve noticed is that all of these bills designed to ‘protect’ christian rights may be picking up one or two D votes, but votes on this kind of shit have been overwhelmingly partisan, with democrats trying to keep religion out of government.

46 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 3, 2015 11:01:32am

re: #43 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

With the word “Jade” in the name of the exercise, the wingnuts haven’t started hyperventilating about a Chinese takeover? Obama giving them Texas in exchange for our debt, maybe? I am disappoint!

Actually, yes, I’ve seen some of the “Chinese are taking over” insanity on FB and twitter.

47 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  May 3, 2015 11:03:06am

re: #45 stpaulbear

OK, that’s just wrong. What I’ve noticed is that all of these bills designed to protect christian rights may be picking up one or two D votes, but votes on this kind of shit have been overwhelmingly partisan, with democrats trying to keep religion out of government.

From realclearpolitics:
“The GOP now controls 68 out of 98 partisan state legislative chambers — the highest number in the history of the party. Republicans currently hold the governorship and both houses of the legislature in 23 states (24 if Sean Parnell wins re-election in Alaska), while Democrats have that level of control in only seven”
Keep up the good work, Democrats.

48 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 3, 2015 11:03:36am

OT, but for any fellow Lizards who use Audible, they’re doing a sale on some of the Great Courses lectures for the summer.

Definitely some interesting courses in there worth checking out for $7 a pop. :)

49 Joe Bacon  May 3, 2015 11:04:38am

It’s time to bring the Fairness Doctrine and Equal Time provisions back to broadcasting. Another way to put a damper on the right wing insanity flooding the airwaves is to make sponsors liable for the content of the programs they advertise on.

50 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  May 3, 2015 11:06:19am

I try to avoid posting provocative stuff and bailing, like certain other people, but I do have to go. My last word on the matter for the time being is that for better or worse, our govt functions with a two party system, and when pne of those parties is screwed up, we’re all screwed up

51 allegro  May 3, 2015 11:06:41am

re: #47 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

From realclearpolitics:
“The GOP now controls 68 out of 98 partisan state legislative chambers — the highest number in the history of the party. Republicans currently hold the governorship and both houses of the legislature in 23 states (24 if Sean Parnell wins re-election in Alaska), while Democrats have that level of control in only seven”
Keep up the good work, Democrats.

That hardly supports your pleas for more of us sane Democrats to turn Republican to save your party. What it does support is for the few relatively sane Repubs left to finally jump off that crazy train to help us get a viable government back.

52 darthstar  May 3, 2015 11:10:58am
53 ObserverArt  May 3, 2015 11:13:03am

re: #50 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I try to avoid posting provocative stuff and bailing, like certain other people, but I do have to go. My last word on the matter for the time being is that for better or worse, our govt functions with a two party system, and when pne of those parties is screwed up, we’re all screwed up

Nice excuse. Very creative. Mutual Screwedtivity!

54 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  May 3, 2015 11:13:12am

re: #51 allegro

That hardly supports your pleas for more of us sane Democrats to turn Republican to save your party. What it does support is for the few relatively sane Repubs left to finally jump off that crazy train to help us get a viable government back.

One last one but I really gotta go, but if the Democrats can’t be bothered to show up at the polls when it’s so important (like last November), this sort of thing is going to continue.

55 stpaulbear  May 3, 2015 11:13:13am

re: #47 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

From realclearpolitics:
“The GOP now controls 68 out of 98 partisan state legislative chambers — the highest number in the history of the party. Republicans currently hold the governorship and both houses of the legislature in 23 states (24 if Sean Parnell wins re-election in Alaska), while Democrats have that level of control in only seven”
Keep up the good work, Democrats.

You changed the subject. You had said that Democrats were as guilty as Republicans in trying to create a christian theocracy, and now your’re pointing out how many states are republican led (which, if I may point out, was followed by a HUGE increase in bills which are based on religious views).

I live in MN where voters got fed up with budgeting tricks and anti-gay bills. We have a democratic governor and senate, and the state is doing GREAT. Lots of jobs and social freedoms and we actually take care of our state parks and natural resources. We look at WI next door and feel horror and sympathy for our friends there. The republicans are busting up that state and giving the good chunks to the wealthy. They’re absolutely destroying that state.

I see the difference between the two parties VERY clearly.

56 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  May 3, 2015 11:14:04am

re: #55 stpaulbear

“You changed the subject. You had said that Democrats were as guilty as Republicans in trying to create a christian theocracy,”

Where the hell did I say that? My argument is the Democrats are lame

57 darthstar  May 3, 2015 11:14:25am

I haven’t used one of my favorite words, urglfrp, in some time, but here I had to.

58 darthstar  May 3, 2015 11:16:48am

re: #57 darthstar

I haven’t used one of my favorite words, urglfrp, in some time, but here I had to.

[Embedded content]

Never mind…he’s a batshit fucking crazy racist.

59 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 3, 2015 11:17:08am

re: #56 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

“You changed the subject. You had said that Democrats were as guilty as Republicans in trying to create a christian theocracy,”

Where the hell did I say that? My argument is the Democrats are lame

re: #40 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Come on, you know that it takes a long time to organize a campaign. That’s why it’s too late for a sane Prez candidate in this cycle. I encourage people to register in order to start the process of getting normal people to run for downticket races. You may have no desire for a Christian Theocracy, but the Democrats aren’t doing a whole hell of a lot to stop them, if you haven’t noticed.

Most people logically read that as “Democrats aren’t doing anything to stop Republicans from pushing a Christian theocracy,” not “Democrats are lame.”

60 stpaulbear  May 3, 2015 11:18:24am

re: #56 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

“You changed the subject. You had said that Democrats were as guilty as Republicans in trying to create a christian theocracy,”

Where the hell did I say that? My argument is the Democrats are lame

You may have no desire for a Christian Theocracy, but the Democrats aren’t doing a whole hell of a lot to stop them, if you haven’t noticed.

Your comment #40.

61 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 3, 2015 11:21:33am

re: #54 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

One last one but I really gotta go, but if the Democrats can’t be bothered to show up at the polls when it’s so important (like last November), this sort of thing is going to continue.

It’s almost like that’s an argument to work to get Democrats to the polls and to realize that midterm elections are important, instead of jumping ship to vote in the Republican primaries in the hopes that somehow electing a “normal” Republican will stop the crazies from taking over the party.

I mean, I get that you’re pissed off your party has been taken over by lunatics. I would be too. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that I’m going to be gung-ho about voting for people who hold a shit-ton of positions I disagree with and lose my chance to vote for people who I do agree with, and I’m not going to sit there and tell other people that’s how they need to vote either.

Maybe you should work on getting some of the “sane” conservatives we keep hearing about to vote for non-nutcases in the primaries.

62 makeitstop  May 3, 2015 11:23:39am

re: #49 Joe Bacon

It’s time to bring the Fairness Doctrine and Equal Time provisions back to broadcasting. Another way to put a damper on the right wing insanity flooding the airwaves is to make sponsors liable for the content of the programs they advertise on.

I’d add repealing the Telecommunications Act of 1996 - the one that all but did away with local ownership of media outlets, and the limits on how many outlets in any given metropolitan statistical area can be owned by one entity.

That law allowed outfits like Clear Channel to flood markets with right-wing swill like Limbaugh and all his imitators, and pretty much removed any competition between outlets due to media corporations buying competing stations within a market and making sure they both delivered the same content (in my area, the prime example is WCBS and 1010WINS - two former competitors in news radio, now under the same ownership.

It’s probably the one thing I’ll never forgive Bill Clinton for.

63 Great White Snark  May 3, 2015 11:27:27am

re: #61 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Maybe you should work on getting some of the “sane” conservatives we keep hearing about to vote for non-nutcases in the primaries.

Who would that be?

64 Eclectic Cyborg  May 3, 2015 11:28:07am

The wild card for 2016 may be how many anti-Clinton democrats hold their nose and vote for her. If enough do NOT, the door may be open for a GOP President.

65 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 3, 2015 11:28:36am

re: #63 Great White Snark

Who would that be?

I don’t know. I asked him that question above and it was his answer that we should all switch parties to Republican to start voting for them. In order to encourage them to run.

66 Great White Snark  May 3, 2015 11:29:34am

re: #64 Eclectic Cyborg

Where is the moderate conservative running as a Democrat?

67 Great White Snark  May 3, 2015 11:32:17am

re: #65 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Point is there are none running on either side. Leaving those of us who would like to see someone champion the economy and take Jerry Brown style approach to budgeting? Really, really tired of being asked again and again to hold my nose and “do the right thing”. If I have to hold my nose, it’s highly unlikely I’m doing the right thing.

68 Eclectic Cyborg  May 3, 2015 11:32:58am

re: #66 Great White Snark

Where is the moderate conservative running as a Democrat?

Not sure what you mean.

69 Great White Snark  May 3, 2015 11:34:14am

re: #68 Eclectic Cyborg

Okay Where Who is the moderate conservative running as a Democrat?

70 EPR-radar  May 3, 2015 11:34:51am

re: #24 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Just for the halibut, I’ll paste my response over here:
I am aware of these things. The only one I disagree with is that the Republican Party will die. It won’t. The craziness is here to stay, and the only recourse is to hold your nose, jump in the pool and crowd them out.

Personally, I don’t care what party people register as, or how they deal with their primaries.

What I do advocate is that all civilized people never vote Republican in a contested general election.

The GOP needs to have an extended streak of big losses in order to have any chance of reform. That hasn’t happened since the FDR era.

Until the GOP starts losing big, all attempted reform will be futile, because the GOP insanity and malice du jour will be seen as ‘working’.

71 makeitstop  May 3, 2015 11:35:48am

re: #66 Great White Snark

Where is the moderate conservative running as a Democrat?

Hillary Clinton.

The fact is, the Democratic party is now the home of right-leaning Centrists, conservative screams of LIBRUL!!11ty notwithstanding.

The Overton Window has been pushed so far to the Right in this country, anyone to the left of Dwight Eisenhower is now portrayed as the offspring of Karl Marx.

72 Varek Raith  May 3, 2015 11:35:48am

re: #70 EPR-radar

Until the GOP starts losing big, all attempted reform will be futile, because the GOP insanity and malice du jure will be seen as ‘working’.

QFT.

73 William Lewis  May 3, 2015 11:35:53am

re: #66 Great White Snark

Where is the moderate conservative running as a Democrat?

She is running.

Thankfully so too is Bernie. That will adjust the conversation to a place where the rest of the party will at least feel that they had a say and be far more likely to vote for her if she does, in fact, get the nomination.

74 Great White Snark  May 3, 2015 11:38:20am

re: #71 makeitstop

Hillary Clinton.

*Carefully wipes off screen and drains keyboard*

Wut? Hilary is flat out lucky Jerry Brown ain’t running. That’s a fiscal conservative/moderate Dem.

75 William Lewis  May 3, 2015 11:39:04am

re: #74 Great White Snark

*Carefully wipes off screen and drain keyboard*

Wut? Hilary is flat out lucky Jerry Brown ain’t running. That’s a fiscal conservative/moderate Dem.

Sorry, but she’s pure corporate Blue Dog.

76 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 3, 2015 11:39:30am

Man, why won’t a fucking unicorn run for President? I want my unicorn. I’m so sick and tired of not being able to vote for my unicorn. I WAS FUCKING PROMISED A UNICORN, DAMMIT.

//

Just saying.

77 Great White Snark  May 3, 2015 11:39:52am

re: #75 William Lewis

Why sorry? I agree Hilary is not it.

78 Great White Snark  May 3, 2015 11:40:15am

re: #76 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Man, why won’t a fucking unicorn run for President? I want my unicorn. I’m so sick and tired of not being able to vote for my unicorn. I WAS FUCKING PROMISED A UNICORN, DAMMIT.

//

Just saying.

Sorry no third term.
///

79 makeitstop  May 3, 2015 11:41:06am

re: #74 Great White Snark

*Carefully wipes off screen and drain keyboard*

Wut? Hilary is flat out lucky Jerry Brown ain’t running. That’s a fiscal conservative/moderate Dem.

Think what you want, RWC.

Bill Clinton was a Centrist, too. Just like Barack Obama.

You know, the presidents who had to take two terms each to clean up the mess of their Republican predecessors.

80 Great White Snark  May 3, 2015 11:43:14am

re: #79 makeitstop

That would be the dot com boom that boosted the economy. Not the President. Centrists don’t propose big energy tax increases right out of the gate. And Bill… well so what? He is not running.

81 blueraven  May 3, 2015 11:43:31am

re: #79 makeitstop

Think what you want, RWC.

Bill Clinton was a Centrist, too. Just like Barack Obama.

You know, the presidents who had to take two terms each to clean up the mess of their Republican predecessors.

When the other party moves so far to the right, they fail to understand what a true centrist is.

82 Great White Snark  May 3, 2015 11:44:54am

Come on folks admit it. Fact-The kind of candidate I outlined does not exist this time around.

And that’s a fail x 2, by way of opinion.

83 Varek Raith  May 3, 2015 11:46:18am

re: #82 Great White Snark

Come on folks admit it. Fact-The kind of candidate I outlined does not exist this time around.

And that’s a fail x 2, by way of opinion.

It’s not our fault the GOP is batshit crazy.
You sound like you want a moderate R.
Well, you’re right. They no longer have any power in the GOP.

84 makeitstop  May 3, 2015 11:46:41am

re: #80 Great White Snark

That would be the dot com boom that boosted the economy. Not the President. Centrists don’t propose big energy tax increases right out of the gate. And Bill… well so what? He is not running.

So? Clinton was still a Centrist.

Assholes like Limbaugh made their listeners believe that Clinton was an evil liberal.

Just like he did with the Centrist Obama.

And just like he’ll do with the Centrist Hillary Clinton.

Just like every single Democrat who runs for president magically becomes ‘The most liberal (senator, governor, whatever) in history. Remember, Kerry got hit with that label, too - until they dusted it off and applied it to Obama.

85 stpaulbear  May 3, 2015 11:47:51am

Oh look. Another moderate republican announces that he wants to be the republican presidential candidate:

In Michigan on Monday, Carson will pray with a group of pastors at the Charles H. Wright Museum of African American History before officially launching his bid for the Republican presidential nomination before supporters at the Detroit Performing Arts Center. He chose to launch his campaign in his hometown, and his afternoon is booked with events across Iowa.

Faith has permeated Carson’s personal, professional and now his public life. His political manifesto contains frequent references to the Ten Commandments and God’s creation. He uses parables to explain policy goals. His 2014 book “One Nation” slams the “godless” government.

His swift rise in conservative circles began after he criticized President Barack Obama’s health care policies at the February 2013 prayer breakfast — as Obama sat two seats away.

He’ll fit right in.

86 Great White Snark  May 3, 2015 11:47:56am

re: #83 Varek Raith

It’s not our fault the GOP is batshit crazy.
You sound like you want a moderate R.
Well, you’re right. They no longer have any power in the GOP.

Nor in the Democratic party from all appearances. I’ll take a moderate of any party or none.

87 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  May 3, 2015 11:48:13am

Just got back and had a minute to read about the stuff I didn’t say. Just because I said the Democrats are lame doesn’t mean I said they are equally as guilty as the Republicans. Somebody has me confused with Ralph Nader.

88 Weet  May 3, 2015 11:48:16am
Twerk It Baby
89 blueraven  May 3, 2015 11:49:35am

re: #82 Great White Snark

Come on folks admit it. Fact-The kind of candidate I outlined does not exist this time around.

And that’s a fail x 2, by way of opinion.

There is only one far left candidate and that is Bernie. Clinton is slightly left of center at best.

90 makeitstop  May 3, 2015 11:49:35am

And if you want to lay Clinton’s cleanup of Bush’s mess off on the dot-com boom, then answer me this -

To what do you ascribe Obama’s pretty successful cleanup of Bush the Lesser’s mess? Surely not those tax-and-spend evil librul policies?
/

91 Varek Raith  May 3, 2015 11:49:43am

re: #88 Weet

OH GOD MY EYES.

92 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  May 3, 2015 11:49:47am

re: #84 makeitstop

So? Clinton was still a Centrist.

Assholes like Limbaugh made their listeners believe that Clinton was an evil liberal.

Just like he did with the Centrist Obama.

And just like he’ll do with the Centrist Hillary Clinton.

Just like every single Democrat who runs for president magically becomes ‘The most liberal (senator, governor, whatever) in history. Remember, Kerry got hit with that label, too - until they dusted it off and applied it to Obama.

And when they apply it to Hilary Clinton how will she react? Remember Snipergate? She totally embarrassed herself in that episode.

93 allegro  May 3, 2015 11:50:10am

re: #86 Great White Snark

Nor in the Democratic party from all appearances. I’ll take a moderate of any party or none.

How does Hillary differ from a conservative moderate in your opinion?

94 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 3, 2015 11:50:42am

Well, mr. klys is up. I think I’m going to do the smart thing and go spend time with my husband.

Later Lizards.

95 Great White Snark  May 3, 2015 11:51:02am

re: #84 makeitstop

If you expect me to defend or answer for those I disagree with you are in for a long wait. How is it moderate is getting defined so narrowly around here and centrist so broadly?

How about not burdening me with the belief system I don’t have and take another look at the one I do?

96 Varek Raith  May 3, 2015 11:51:08am

re: #86 Great White Snark

Nor in the Democratic party from all appearances. I’ll take a moderate of any party or none.

Ok, now you sound kind of silly.
I think you are more to the right then you realize if you think Clinton is not moderate.
What makes her not in your view?

97 Charles Johnson  May 3, 2015 11:52:21am

Chuck Johnson has been retweeting this guy today: iPad Hacker and “Troll” Weev Is Now a Straight-Up White Supremacist.

98 Bubblehead II  May 3, 2015 11:52:41am

re: #88 Weet

99 makeitstop  May 3, 2015 11:53:06am

re: #92 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

And when they apply it to Hilary Clinton how will she react? Remember Snipergate? She totally embarrassed herself in that episode.

How she’ll respond is up to her campaign team.

I’m just making the point that all of these politicians, who hew pretty close to the center, have been portrayed as wild-eyed liberals.

In another time, they’d all have been ‘rock-ribbed Republicans.’ Cloth coats optional.
/

100 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  May 3, 2015 11:53:36am

re: #93 allegro

I’m going to jump in. Bill Clinton struck me as a pragmatist. I really don’t know about Hilary Clinton. I really don’t know how she’ll respond when faced with adversity. I guess that doesn’t really answer the question, but I don’t really know how much of her presentation is because she is really a liberal and how much is opportunism.

101 Great White Snark  May 3, 2015 11:55:18am

re: #96 Varek Raith

govtrack.us

The graphic will illustrate she sits in the middle of the left, not really near the moderate middle. Senate voting record. Her connections to corporate interests are profound.

102 BeachDem  May 3, 2015 11:56:19am

re: #42 klys (maker of Silmarils)

And when the “normal” Republicans caucus with the crazies, that’s doing an awful lot to stop them, right?

Seriously, you want to vote Republican, go ahead. I choose to vote in a primary where the candidates actually reflect my position on the issues, instead of holding my nose to try and choose the least-bad. But let’s not pretend that the so-called “normal” Republicans are doing anything to stand in the way of the crazies, right now, because that’s complete and utter bullshit.

That’s why, even in a crimson state like South Carolina, it’s important for Democrats to be Democrats and to find candidates to run against the loons from the sane side of the street.

Although it often feels like walking uphill with 50 pound weights, and like spending money to support candidates who are inevitably going to lose is an exercise in futility, I think it’s still worth the time, the money, and the effort to stand up and be counted.

When we don’t, we get morons like Nikki Haley (well, truth be told, we usually get them even when we do, but at least we’re trying.)

The governor has opposed proposals to issue bonds of up to $500 million and roads funding plans that raise the state gas tax and other vehicle fees without a large, corresponding income-tax cut

(because that makes so much sense)

Haley listed 17 of 105 Republicans in the Legislature who she said have agreed with her…

Now that’s some real consensus there, Nikki.

She’s trying to come across as a real fighter—bucking her own party—whew, what a MAVERICK. Thinks it will keep her front and center in the eyes of the loons who are running for pres.

“At a time where presidential candidates will be coming though South Carolina, how can WE hold our head up when all year I have been fighting my own Republicans?” Haley asked. “These are the people that are supposed to be with me. … Where’s my army?”
thestate.com

The Pubs had their convention this week—ours was last week.

We had Warner, Sanders, O’Malley, McAuliffe as our main speakers. They had Cruz, Santorum, Graham, Perry, Bush.

Yeah—let me run over to the Republican side to bring some sanity to their proceeding.///

103 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  May 3, 2015 11:56:39am

re: #99 makeitstop

How she’ll respond is up to her campaign team.

I’m just making the point that all of these politicians, who hew pretty close to the center, have been portrayed as wild-eyed liberals.

In another time, they’d all have been ‘rock-ribbed Republicans.’ Cloth coats optional.
/

Hell, I must be a wild-eyed liberal too. God forbid you should advocate conserving your resources, protecting the environment for future generations, and not sticking your kids and grandkids with the bills.

104 Great White Snark  May 3, 2015 11:56:55am

re: #93 allegro

I thought I made that clear above- See Jerry Brown for example.

105 makeitstop  May 3, 2015 11:58:29am

re: #95 Great White Snark

If you expect me to defend or answer for those I disagree with you are in for a long wait. How is it moderate is getting defined so narrowly around here and centrist so broadly?

How about not burdening me with the belief system I don’t have and take another look at the one I do?

Who’s asking you to defend anything here? I’m not.

I’m just pointing out that political definitions have been distorted to the point of nearly complete uselessness.

Why do you think moonbats are so pissy about Obama? Could it be because he’s nowhere near the liberal that the media made him out to be?

106 Nyet  May 3, 2015 11:58:38am

re: #25 b_sharp

A few days ago I visited that committee’s yt account and their latest ad is for Cotton.

That said, I don’t think we want to legitimize mondoweiss as a source here.

107 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 3, 2015 11:59:06am

re: #100 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I’m going to jump in. Bill Clinton struck me as a pragmatist. I really don’t know about Hilary Clinton. I really don’t know how she’ll respond when faced with adversity. I guess that doesn’t really answer the question, but I don’t really know how much of her presentation is because she is really a liberal and how much is opportunism.

BENGHAZI!!!111!!! “WHO CARES??!!!???”

Guess that wasn’t enough adversity…

108 Dr Lizardo  May 3, 2015 11:59:35am

re: #88 Weet

Brilliant. I love it.

109 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  May 3, 2015 11:59:36am

FOr better or worse, Ronald Reagan had a vision of America, So did George H Bush, Bill Clinton, and Barack Obama. Somebody gave George W Bush a picture. Hilary, Clinton, I just don’t really know how much is vision and how much is optics.

110 Varek Raith  May 3, 2015 12:00:40pm

So, according to that chart, Snowe, Collins, and Lugar are to the left of center.
I think not.

111 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 3, 2015 12:00:47pm

re: #97 Charles Johnson

oh.

112 Great White Snark  May 3, 2015 12:01:24pm

Okay folks I made my case as best i can but way outnumbered here. i mean when I’m asked to answer for the worst of the GOP whilst asking for moderate candidates of any kind it’s pretty telling. Have fun folks. See ya on a less burdened topic.

113 makeitstop  May 3, 2015 12:01:45pm

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

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oh.

CCJ and Cumia. That should be a hate-packed hour of pretend radio.

114 Nyet  May 3, 2015 12:02:28pm

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

Will Chuck acquire a new fan soon?

115 Varek Raith  May 3, 2015 12:03:07pm

re: #114 Nyet

Will Chuck acquire a new fan soon?

Thinking the same thing.
;)

116 The Ghost of a Flea  May 3, 2015 12:05:23pm

re: #114 Nyet

Will Chuck acquire a new fan soon?

Not necessarily a fan, but somebody who will explain how awful it is that he’s being CENSORED by being contradicted or criticized, because seriously, everyone on Twitter is just whiny and oversensitive and they love OUTRAGE and being offended.

117 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 3, 2015 12:05:34pm

re: #114 Nyet

Will Chuck acquire a new fan soon?

heh…no doubt!

118 bratwurst  May 3, 2015 12:06:07pm

re: #112 Great White Snark

i mean when I’m asked to answer for the worst of the GOP whilst asking for moderate candidates of any kind it’s pretty telling.

This part was all in your mind.

119 Charles Johnson  May 3, 2015 12:07:01pm

re: #114 Nyet

Will Chuck acquire a new fan soon?

He’s going to end up on Political Cesspool soon, at this rate. Cumia already did. He’s putting himself squarely in the white supremacist camp.

120 Varek Raith  May 3, 2015 12:07:40pm

re: #112 Great White Snark

Okay folks I made my case as best i can but way outnumbered here. i mean when I’m asked to answer for the worst of the GOP whilst asking for moderate candidates of any kind it’s pretty telling. Have fun folks. See ya on a less burdened topic.

That’s cool.
I just don’t understand what about Hillary makes her liberal. You posted a chart. That doesn’t tell me what liberal policies she holds that you don’t like. If we had some specifics on that, it would be great.

121 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 3, 2015 12:08:32pm

re: #119 Charles Johnson

He’s going to end up on Political Cesspool soon, at this rate. Cumia already did. He’s putting himself squarely in the white supremacist camp.

We were thinking of someone who used to be closer to home here…

122 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 3, 2015 12:09:55pm

re: #110 Varek Raith

So, according to that chart, Snowe, Collins, and Lugar are to the left of center.
I think not.

Yeah, that pretty well discredits the whole enterprise right there.

In global terms, there is nobody left of center in political office in this country. Bernie Sanders can call himself a “Socialist”, but he’s dead-center at best internationally.

123 freetoken  May 3, 2015 12:10:39pm

UKIP may just have crossed the proverbial line:

Nigel Farage says BBC should exterminate Dr Who and scrap Strictly Come Dancing

Nigel Farage risked losing the votes of millions of Doctor Who fans after calling for the Time Lord to be axed.

The UKIP leader also criticised Strictly Come Dancing - loved by Saturday night viewers - as he called on the BBC to scrap entertainment shows and focus on news instead.

[…]

Two weeks ago he moaned about a BBC leaders’ debate audience being “incredibly left-wing, even by the BBC’s standards”.

[…]

124 Varek Raith  May 3, 2015 12:12:08pm

re: #123 freetoken

UKIP may just have crossed the proverbial line:

Nigel Farage says BBC should exterminate Dr Who and scrap Strictly Come Dancing

Talk about stepping on a landmine…

125 ObserverArt  May 3, 2015 12:12:21pm

I love this cover everyone with the Republican slime thinking. It seems so, well, Republican.

They sell the GOP as the party of responsibility. They just don’t take part in being responsible for it.

126 Amory Blaine  May 3, 2015 12:12:39pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Red Dwarf? Huh never knew CCJ had a show.

127 makeitstop  May 3, 2015 12:12:45pm

re: #112 Great White Snark

Okay folks I made my case as best i can but way outnumbered here. i mean when I’m asked to answer for the worst of the GOP whilst asking for moderate candidates of any kind it’s pretty telling. Have fun folks. See ya on a less burdened topic.

Again - unless I’m reading my own words completely wrong, I didn’t ask you to defend anything.

My point - which I apparently utterly failed at making from the look of it - was to point out how moderate politicians are erroneously (in my view) labelled as far to the left of where they actually stand.

128 EPR-radar  May 3, 2015 12:14:48pm

re: #122 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Yeah, that pretty well discredits the whole enterprise right there.

In global terms, there is nobody left of center in political office in this country. Bernie Sanders can call himself a “Socialist”, but he’s dead-center at best internationally.

One of the biggest lies the GOP has gotten away with is pretending that Democrats, including Obama, are way left of center.

The simple truth is that the Democratic party mainstream is centrist/corporate, with some effort made to curb the worst excesses of unregulated capitalism. There is a left wing of the Democratic party, but it certainly isn’t in control.

Meanwhile, the Republicans are steadily marching off to the right, with proto-fascist tendencies becoming more apparent every year, such as the politics of scapegoating.

129 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 3, 2015 12:15:07pm

re: #126 Amory Blaine

Red Dwarf? Huh never knew CCJ had a show.

LOL!

Guess he’s a bit sensitive about that…

130 Varek Raith  May 3, 2015 12:15:41pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL!

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Guess he’s a bit sensitive about that…

Compared to me, he’s still short.
:P

131 allegro  May 3, 2015 12:17:21pm

re: #104 Great White Snark

I thought I made that clear above- See Jerry Brown for example.

Just stating a name isn’t very specific. I would like to know what specifically differentiates Hillary from a moderate conservative in your view.

132 Charles Johnson  May 3, 2015 12:18:39pm
133 GlutenFreeJesus  May 3, 2015 12:20:47pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

Don’t think they’re talking about his “height”.

134 Varek Raith  May 3, 2015 12:21:22pm

re: #133 GlutenFreeJesus

Don’t think they’re talking about his “height”.

That’ what she…
Oh.
Bummer.
/

135 The Pie Mother  May 3, 2015 12:23:37pm

What is wrong with this dress or the beautiful girl wearing it?

136 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 3, 2015 12:25:06pm

re: #135 Lord Of The Pies

What is wrong with this dress or the beautiful girl wearing it?

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Absolutely nothing.

137 stpaulbear  May 3, 2015 12:25:16pm

re: #132 Charles Johnson

I’m glad Sanders is in too and I hope he’s in all of the debates. He can take a strong stand on income inequality in a very public forum.

I just hope that all of his followers don’t turn PUMA when he doesn’t win the nomination. I hope that Sanders really pushes hard on the fact that every democrat must vote in the 2016 elections.

138 The Pie Mother  May 3, 2015 12:26:00pm

re: #136 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Absolutely nothing.

HURR HURR SHE’S NOT HEALTHY!!!!! SHE SHOULD HIDE IN HER ROOM & NOT EAT FOOD UNTIL SHE’S THIN ENOUGH TO BE SEEN IN SOCIETY!!!!!!

139 Justanotherhuman  May 3, 2015 12:26:36pm

It appears people are fed up with police brutality all over.

140 Belafon  May 3, 2015 12:27:22pm

re: #135 Lord Of The Pies

What is wrong with this dress or the beautiful girl wearing it?

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I’m pretty sure the bible explicitly talks about cleavage, let me see if I can find it.

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141 Dr Lizardo  May 3, 2015 12:28:29pm

re: #135 Lord Of The Pies

What is wrong with this dress or the beautiful girl wearing it?

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Nothing wrong with it, at least to me; my prom date’s dress was a strapless number, and I suppose would be considered quite “revealing” to some.

142 Justanotherhuman  May 3, 2015 12:29:03pm
143 allegro  May 3, 2015 12:29:24pm

re: #138 Lord Of The Pies

HURR HURR SHE’S NOT HEALTHY!!!!! SHE SHOULD HIDE IN HER ROOM & NOT EAT FOOD UNTIL SHE’S THIN ENOUGH TO BE SEEN IN SOCIETY!!!!!!

Seriously, she must be publicly shamed! That breaks my heart. She spent so much time and effort and clearly is feeling beautiful. Those assholes for taking that away from her …. just grrrrr.

144 PhillyPretzel  May 3, 2015 12:29:37pm

re: #141 Dr Lizardo

The same with my sister’s. It was a strapless with a ruffle in the back. They would have a fit over it.

145 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 3, 2015 12:31:19pm

re: #135 Lord Of The Pies

Our granddaughter, who is also plus size (as are some of her girlfriends), wore a more “revealing” prom dress (strapless, no less, teh horrors!) and was named prom queen at her high school last week.

Some “adults” need to get over showing a hint of voluptuous cleavage and stop with the fat shaming.

146 WhatEVs  May 3, 2015 12:32:31pm

re: #135 Lord Of The Pies

What is wrong with this dress or the beautiful girl wearing it?

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That’s just sad. That is a beautiful girl and a beautiful dress.

147 darthstar  May 3, 2015 12:33:32pm
148 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 3, 2015 12:35:19pm

Remember we had a Socialist Party in this country. Eugene V. Debs got 8% of the vote in 1908—from a prison cell!

Their platform was extremely radical (for America): The federal government to be financed by a graduated net income tax; Workman’s compensation; Public schools to be run by elected officials and paid for by taxes; The Initiative, Referendum, and Recall; Parks and recreation areas to be financed by the public; and direct election of U.S. senators.

Debs’ showing frightened the main parties so much that the Democrats and the Roosevelt wing of the Republican party adopted it in toto. The Taft wing gradually regained control of the Republican party, and now they’re trying to destroy most of these reforms, but for most of the 20th century we accepted these things as the basis of a civilized existence. There’s certainly nothing radical about any of them in International political terms.

149 Justanotherhuman  May 3, 2015 12:35:23pm

We wore strapless dresses back in the ’50s to school dances, even.

Alas, none of us had the cleavage you see today, though. No pushup bras, either. We had to make do with tissue paper or falsies. : )

150 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 3, 2015 12:37:19pm

re: #138 Lord Of The Pies

HURR HURR SHE’S NOT HEALTHY!!!!! SHE SHOULD HIDE IN HER ROOM & NOT EAT FOOD UNTIL SHE’S THIN ENOUGH TO BE SEEN IN SOCIETY!!!!!!

Well, as someone who thinks Rebel Wilson, for example, is a fucking goddess, I can’t agree. I know there’s a lot of that kind of thinking out there, though.

151 EPR-radar  May 3, 2015 12:38:00pm

re: #147 darthstar

It’s easy to find the words to describe Louis Gohmert. ‘Stupid Texas wingnut’.

152 Dr Lizardo  May 3, 2015 12:38:28pm

re: #148 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

For many years, I was a member of the Socialist Labor Party of America - the oldest Socialist party in the USA, as I recall.

They’re pretty much defunct now.

153 ObserverArt  May 3, 2015 12:39:14pm

re: #112 Great White Snark

Okay folks I made my case as best i can but way outnumbered here. i mean when I’m asked to answer for the worst of the GOP whilst asking for moderate candidates of any kind it’s pretty telling. Have fun folks. See ya on a less burdened topic.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink.

You admit you don’t know all that much about Hillary other than the obvious GOP talking points about her that are well-worn and many here are trying to explain it, but you are so set in your thinking it isn’t going to be accepted by you.

We aren’t here to answer for the worst of the GOP either and I am sorry for America there are no moderate Republicans. It’s been going on since at least 1980…maybe ‘84. I guess you and others were either not looking or unconcerned. That is enabling.

154 sagehen  May 3, 2015 12:41:41pm

re: #135 Lord Of The Pies

What is wrong with this dress or the beautiful girl wearing it?

The lining under the lace that keeps it from being revealing… is close to her skin tone. On a white girl it would be obvious, but for this girl the school pretends they can’t see it.

It’s not ‘cause she’s large, it’s cause she’s black.

155 EmmaAnne  May 3, 2015 12:41:54pm

re: #135 Lord Of The Pies

What is wrong with this dress or the beautiful girl wearing it?

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Nothing. There is nothing wrong with that dress or the young lady.

156 BeachDem  May 3, 2015 12:41:58pm

re: #135 Lord Of The Pies

What is wrong with this dress or the beautiful girl wearing it?

[Embedded content]

Wonder if Ariel Winter (on the right—Modern Family actress) got thrown out of her prom? Ah, no—(both girls and both dresses are lovely.)

157 Weet  May 3, 2015 12:44:04pm

Somebody here actually thinks registering as a Republican is going to help — like that’s the salvo they need?

Some inside-party activism might help. How about implementing policies that are fair, like not attempting to give more tax breaks for billionaires? How about staying out of people’s bedrooms? This list could go on a long time.

Your goal should be trying to get to the point where you don’t need fanatics, extremists, and crazy people voting for you in order to get elected.

Oh, and stop the blatant lying and false advertising your party depends upon. “We believe in freedom, and that’s why we don’t want teh gay getting married.”

158 Dr Lizardo  May 3, 2015 12:44:52pm

re: #155 EmmaAnne

Nothing. There is nothing wrong with that dress or the young lady.

This is pretty similar to what my prom date wore:

159 Justanotherhuman  May 3, 2015 12:45:21pm

re: #153 ObserverArt

Actually, I’ve been fighting this shit for 45 years. I would never, ever vote for a Republican. I might have “liked Ike” when I was a child but I was a child and didn’t know a thing about politics. When I grew up, I knew there was no way, no how, that I could turn my back on anyone for my own self-gratification when it came to politics.

Call me a social democrat or a democratic socialist, none of that bothers me because those are basically the tenets I believe. We live among society, we take from society, we should give back to society, with whatever talents and skills we possess.

160 freetoken  May 3, 2015 12:48:03pm

Well, if you are a Republican, and are willing to stand up to the stupidity in your party, your courage just might be recognized:

Ex-US Rep. Inglis gets JFK courage award for climate stance

161 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 3, 2015 12:48:29pm

Too Revealing?

162 b_sharp  May 3, 2015 12:49:10pm

re: #161 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Too Revealing?

Embedded Image

for what?

163 Kragar  May 3, 2015 12:49:56pm
164 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 3, 2015 12:50:36pm

re: #162 b_sharp

for what?

Too scandalous for a prom?

165 Bubblehead II  May 3, 2015 12:52:12pm

re: #135 Lord Of The Pies

What is wrong with this dress or the beautiful girl wearing it?

[Embedded content]

Nothing. From what I found when I Goggled this story was it came down to two things, she is plus sized and has bigger breast than the other girls.

Alexus, who plans to graduate next month, said the assistant principal told her as much Tuesday.

“She said, ‘You have more boobs than other girls,” Alexus said. “‘The other girls have less to show.’”

All the other links echo these assertations as well.

166 William Lewis  May 3, 2015 12:52:26pm

re: #152 Dr Lizardo

For many years, I was a member of the Socialist Labor Party of America - the oldest Socialist party in the USA, as I recall.

They’re pretty much defunct now.

I stick to Mike Harrington’s old group, the Democratic Socialists of America. They’re already organizing to campaign for Bernie.

167 EPR-radar  May 3, 2015 12:52:28pm

re: #101 Great White Snark

govtrack.us

The graphic will illustrate she sits in the middle of the left, not really near the moderate middle. Senate voting record. Her connections to corporate interests are profound.

It should be noted that the govtrack methodology for their ‘ideology’ scale is completely 100% relative. The only information used is co-sponsorship of bills, with the content of the bills being completely irrelevant for the score.

In other words, that ‘ideology’ score is essentially a distillation of the social phenomenon of bill sponsorship in Congress. The parties differ on this score merely because members of the same party tend to have similar sponsorship patterns.

So this business of pretending that Clinton is well left of center because of govtrack scores is just another example of the all too common pastime of seeking a ‘sensible middle ground’ between a batshit crazy Republican party and a centrist Democratic party.

Just what elements of batshit crazy Republican stupidity are we supposed to accept to make such a farcical compromise?

168 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 3, 2015 12:53:08pm

re: #165 Bubblehead II

good freaking grief…

169 Kragar  May 3, 2015 12:53:12pm
170 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 3, 2015 12:55:01pm

re: #148 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I should add to this that in 1912 (‘14?) there were ten elected Socialist congressmen. The house simply refused to seat them, leaving their districts without representation. Some were reelected several times, I think two wound up being reelected till 1920, their districts unrepresented all that time.

171 Justanotherhuman  May 3, 2015 12:55:52pm

re: #165 Bubblehead II

There’s not a thing wrong with her dress. She’s a large young woman and she’s going to have large boobs. So what?

I think it’s actually rather modest.

172 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 3, 2015 1:04:02pm

For a change of pace, I’m going to make my royal baby names prediction:
In no particular order:
Jane, Victoria, Diana. (Other potential names: Alice, Elizabeth.)

Charlotte seems to be a front-runner, however.

173 freetoken  May 3, 2015 1:05:54pm

re: #172 Backwoods_Sleuth

Seems a bit… recycled. Bluebloods are way, way too conservative.

174 allegro  May 3, 2015 1:05:57pm

re: #172 Backwoods_Sleuth

For a change of pace, I’m going to make my royal baby names prediction:
In no particular order:
Jane, Victoria, Diana. (Other potential names: Alice, Elizabeth.)

Charlotte seems to be a front-runner, however.

I will just bet it won’t be Camille. :D

175 Bubblehead II  May 3, 2015 1:06:13pm

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

good freaking grief…

re: #171 Justanotherhuman

There’s not a thing wrong with her dress. She’s a large young woman and she’s going to have large boobs. So what?

I think it’s actually rather modest.

Yep. Looks like a case of good old fashioned jealousy in my opinion.

176 stpaulbear  May 3, 2015 1:08:31pm

re: #159 Justanotherhuman

I’ve voted for a couple of republicans. I voted for Dave Durenberger because he was so good at health care policy and was the kind of moderate that Great White Shark wishes was in the republican party now (he’s probably very close to HRC). I also voted for Arne Carlson for MN governor. He’s seen as a traitor to the party now. It’s fun to listen to him when he’s on the radio - he just hates what the GOP has become.

There haven’t been any remotely attractive republican candidates since then. They’re either prosperity gospel hacks or Norm Coleman-type grifters.

177 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 3, 2015 1:08:31pm

re: #174 allegro

I will just bet it won’t be Camille. :D

:D

178 Dr Lizardo  May 3, 2015 1:08:40pm

re: #172 Backwoods_Sleuth

For a change of pace, I’m going to make my royal baby names prediction:
In no particular order:
Jane, Victoria, Diana. (Other potential names: Alice, Elizabeth.)

Charlotte seems to be a front-runner, however.

As long as they don’t name her Madeline, ‘cuz then I’ll be thinking of Madeline ‘every time a fairy blows its wee nose, a baby is born’ Bassett and of course, Roderick Spode.

179 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 3, 2015 1:09:16pm

re: #178 Dr Lizardo

As long as they don’t name her Madeline, ‘cuz then I’ll be thinking of Madeline ‘every time a fairy blows its wee nose, a baby is born’ Bassett and of course, Roderick Spode.

LOL!

Also, cookies!

180 Justanotherhuman  May 3, 2015 1:12:12pm

re: #178 Dr Lizardo

Well, since we’re guessing, I’m going with Charlotte Victoria Eizabeth and whatever other names they tack on. Royal names tend to be long, although most aren’t used every day, just officially.

Maybe they’ll call her Charlie, as a nod to modernism. ; )

181 freetoken  May 3, 2015 1:12:40pm

The surname appears to be ” Mountbatten-Windsor”, correct?

Here are prospective given names for the little princess:

Moon - as in “Moon Mountbatten”.

Or, if one must also have a common name in use today, how about “Meagan Moon Mountbatten”? It has a certain alliteration that could carry well for the rest of the century.

182 Dr Lizardo  May 3, 2015 1:13:12pm

This quote about Roderick Spode by Bertie Wooster could just as easily be said about Chuckles (or some of the other RWNJ’s):

“The trouble with you, Spode, is that just because you have succeeded in inducing a handful of half-wits to disfigure the London scene by going about in black shorts, you think you’re someone. You hear them shouting “Heil, Spode!” and you imagine it is the Voice of the People. That is where you make your bloomer. What the Voice of the People is saying is: “Look at that frightful ass Spode swanking about in footer bags! Did you ever in your puff see such a perfect perisher?”

183 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 3, 2015 1:13:28pm

re: #180 Justanotherhuman

Well, since we’re guessing, I’m going with Charlotte Victoria Eizabeth and whatever other names they tack on. Royal names tend to be long, although most aren’t used every day, just officially.

Maybe they’ll call her Charlie, as a nod to modernism. ; )

Frontrunner is Charlotte as a nod to Prince Charles, especially if Diana is one of the middle names.

184 Dr Lizardo  May 3, 2015 1:15:01pm

re: #180 Justanotherhuman

Well, since we’re guessing, I’m going with Charlotte Victoria Eizabeth and whatever other names they tack on. Royal names tend to be long, although most aren’t used every day, just officially.

Maybe they’ll call her Charlie, as a nod to modernism. ; )

I wonder if royal names are as long as that of the name of Alexander Siddig - Siddig El Tahir El Fadil El Siddig Abderrahman Mohammed Ahmed Abdel Karim El Mahdi.

He’s gonna need a bigger boat business card.

185 freetoken  May 3, 2015 1:16:31pm

re: #184 Dr Lizardo

“Charlotte Elizabeth Diana Mountbatten-Windsor” is pretty long already.

186 Amory Blaine  May 3, 2015 1:16:42pm

Here’s what my prom date wore.

187 Dr Lizardo  May 3, 2015 1:17:03pm

re: #185 freetoken

“Charlotte Elizabeth Diana Mountbatten-Windsor” is pretty long already.

Yes it is.

188 BeachDem  May 3, 2015 1:17:31pm

re: #160 freetoken

Well, if you are a Republican, and are willing to stand up to the stupidity in your party, your courage just might be recognized:

Ex-US Rep. Inglis gets JFK courage award for climate stance

And he lost his seat to Trey Gowdy. Does that tell you all you need to know about South Carolina?

189 William Lewis  May 3, 2015 1:19:31pm

re: #172 Backwoods_Sleuth

Georgette ?

190 Kragar  May 3, 2015 1:19:49pm
191 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 3, 2015 1:19:57pm

re: #188 BeachDem

And he lost him seat to Trey Gowdy. Does that tell you all you need to know about South Carolina?

I can’t believe I’ve lived long enough that there are grown-ass men going by “Trey” and “Newt” and so forth being taken seriously and elected to political office.

192 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 3, 2015 1:21:56pm

re: #189 William Lewis

Georgette ?

Or like a high school classmate: Georgina.

193 BeachDem  May 3, 2015 1:22:10pm

re: #180 Justanotherhuman

Well, since we’re guessing, I’m going with Charlotte Victoria Eizabeth and whatever other names they tack on. Royal names tend to be long, although most aren’t used every day, just officially.

Maybe they’ll call her Charlie, as a nod to modernism. ; )

Uh oh—isn’t Chelsea’s little girl named Charlotte? If they name the royal baby Charlotte, the wingers will certainly develop a conspiracy theory about collaboration, Bilderberg something something 11ty!!

194 Kragar  May 3, 2015 1:23:35pm

re: #191 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

195 Targetpractice  May 3, 2015 1:25:08pm

re: #190 Kragar

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Wait, you mean he wasn’t?

196 Dr Lizardo  May 3, 2015 1:25:44pm

Well, goodnight Lizards.

197 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 3, 2015 1:27:22pm

re: #191 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I can’t believe I’ve lived long enough that there are grown-ass men going by “Trey” and “Newt” and so forth being taken seriously and elected to political office.

A Pakistani Indian guy who renamed himself “Bobby”…

198 Targetpractice  May 3, 2015 1:30:18pm

re: #197 Backwoods_Sleuth

A Pakistani guy who renamed himself “Bobby”…

A Cuban-Canadian who sells himself as a Texan named “Ted.”

199 The Pie Mother  May 3, 2015 1:34:18pm

re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth

Or like a high school classmate: Georgina.

Hey There Georgie Girl

200 WhatEVs  May 3, 2015 1:34:58pm

re: #159 Justanotherhuman

Actually, I’ve been fighting this shit for 45 years. I would never, ever vote for a Republican. I might have “liked Ike” when I was a child but I was a child and didn’t know a thing about politics. When I grew up, I knew there was no way, no how, that I could turn my back on anyone for my own self-gratification when it came to politics.

Call me a social democrat or a democratic socialist, none of that bothers me because those are basically the tenets I believe. We live among society, we take from society, we should give back to society, with whatever talents and skills we possess.

Well said. Worth repeating.

201 BeachDem  May 3, 2015 1:41:19pm

re: #197 Backwoods_Sleuth

A Pakistani Indian guy who renamed himself “Bobby”…

And his female counterpart—Nikki.

202 Rocky-in-Connecticut  May 3, 2015 1:41:49pm

re: #125 ObserverArt

The entire ideology of modern right wing nutbags these days is how to avoid responsibility. Their entire ethos can be distilled to:

All profits are to be Private.
All Responsibilities and Ramifications are to be Socialized.

203 Targetpractice  May 3, 2015 1:42:07pm

And last presidential election, we had a fellow who kept selling himself as “Mitt.”

204 Targetpractice  May 3, 2015 1:42:37pm

re: #202 Rocky-in-Connecticut

The entire ideology of modern right wing nutbags these days is how to avoid responsibility. Their entire ethos can be distilled to:

All profits are to be Private.
All Responsibilities and Ramifications are to be Socialized.

Shorter and pithier: “Privatize the profit, socialize the consequences.”

205 WhatEVs  May 3, 2015 1:47:37pm

re: #172 Backwoods_Sleuth

For a change of pace, I’m going to make my royal baby names prediction:
In no particular order:
Jane, Victoria, Diana. (Other potential names: Alice, Elizabeth.)

Charlotte seems to be a front-runner, however.

Charlotte is a lovely name. As is Alexandra of whatever flavor they’re discussing.

206 WhatEVs  May 3, 2015 1:48:07pm

re: #174 allegro

I will just bet it won’t be Camille. :D

Thank God. ;-)

207 WhatEVs  May 3, 2015 1:51:32pm

re: #181 freetoken

The surname appears to be ” Mountbatten-Windsor”, correct?

Here are prospective given names for the little princess:

Moon - as in “Moon Mountbatten”.

Or, if one must also have a common name in use today, how about “Meagan Moon Mountbatten”? It has a certain alliteration that could carry well for the rest of the century.

I think it’s simply Windsor (I asked my Canadian husband and he agreed). Mountbatten is a separate family.

208 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 3, 2015 1:59:54pm

re: #207 WhatEVs

I think it’s simply Windsor (I asked my Canadian husband and he agreed). Mountbatten is a separate family.

Admiral Prince Louis of Battenberg was widely mistrusted during WWI because of his German-sounding name, so they (half) translated it to Mountbatten.

209 Snarknado!  May 3, 2015 2:02:27pm

The royals don’t have surnames. Elizabeth is of the House of Windsor, Phillip is Mountbatten.

(Up to WWI, it was Saxe-Coburg-Gotha and Battenberg. Hyphenate THAT.)

210 sagehen  May 3, 2015 2:03:23pm

re: #209 Snarknado!

The royals don’t have surnames. Elizabeth is of the House of Windsor, Phillip is Mountbatten.

(Up to WWI, it was Saxe-Coburg-Gotha and Battenberg. Hyphenate THAT.)

When William and Harry were in the military and everybody had to go by last names… they were called “Wales”.

211 WhatEVs  May 3, 2015 2:05:22pm

re: #210 sagehen

When William and Harry were in the military and everybody had to go by last names… they were called “Wales”.

Yes. I was thinking Wales when I said Windsor.

212 Great White Snark  May 3, 2015 2:06:50pm

re: #153 ObserverArt

Obvious GOP talking points? You say that like I cited fox or something. This is a bandwagon, and it has very little patience for an opposing view, including reasonable and moderate objections. I may as well be posting on her campaign blog. Now that we are talking Hilary, not a Republican, now moderate is a relative term. Please. Maybe it takes an indy to see through the slats on the bandwagon trailer.

213 Snarknado!  May 3, 2015 2:07:52pm

re: #210 sagehen

Going by title, not house. Well, you have to have something.

214 Great White Snark  May 3, 2015 2:11:16pm

If someone asked me for economic conservative credentials for my Governor, it would be easy. May I see the same for Hilary Rodham Clinton please?

215 allegro  May 3, 2015 2:25:43pm

re: #214 Great White Snark

If someone asked me for economic conservative credentials for my Governor, it would be easy. May I see the same for Hilary Rodham Clinton please?

Several of us asked for specifics. I don’t know what “economic conservative” means and not being from California, I don’t have details on what Gov Brown has done. It would be helpful to understand your definition so we can all be on the same page in a discussion.

216 sagehen  May 3, 2015 2:34:36pm

re: #214 Great White Snark

If someone asked me for economic conservative credentials for my Governor, it would be easy. May I see the same for Hilary Rodham Clinton please?

Wall Street. Every single thing that would please Goldman Sachs, Hillary is passionately in favor of.

217 Lidane  May 3, 2015 2:34:40pm

RE: the original post in this thread, Imma let Jim Wright say it all for me, since he nailed it:

218 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 3, 2015 2:35:52pm

re: #217 Lidane

219 Great White Snark  May 3, 2015 2:38:42pm

re: #215 allegro

Okay her legislative career is pretty short. Her time at state has zip to do with this topic. And we will necessarily have to ignore her lack of executive branch experience as in zip. Maybe the best start is with a well recognized definition. Wiki do? I struck where I part ways, and fortunately those are the less tightly associated factors. I don’t expect Hilary to drive a personal vehicle… But what a fine example in general Gov Brown sets.

Fiscal conservatism is a politicoeconomic philosophy with regard to fiscal policy and the advocating of fiscal responsibility. Fiscal conservatives advocate the avoidance of deficit spending, the reduction of overall government spending and national debt, and ensuring balanced budgets. Fiscal conservatives would also support pay-as-you-go financial policies.[citation needed] Free trade, deregulation of the economy, lower taxes, and other conservative policies are also often, but not necessarily, associated with fiscal conservatism.[citation needed]

On Jerry-Again Wiki

After taking office, Brown gained a reputation as a fiscal conservative.[9] The American Conservative later noted he was “much more of a fiscal conservative than Governor Reagan.”[10] His fiscal restraint resulted in one of the biggest budget surpluses in state history, roughly $5 billion.[11][12] For his personal life, Brown refused many of the privileges and perks of the office, forgoing the newly constructed governor’s residence and instead renting a modest apartment at the corner of 14th and N Streets, adjacent to Capitol Park in downtown Sacramento.[13] Instead of riding as a passenger in a chauffeured limousine as previous governors had done, Brown walked to work and drove in a Plymouth Satellite sedan.[14][15]

220 Decatur Deb  May 3, 2015 2:39:47pm

re: #218 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Need to repeat what someone in those comments missed. That’s the Texas State Guard. Obama owns the TXNG, he just lets Abbot use it for parades.

221 Great White Snark  May 3, 2015 2:40:02pm

re: #216 sagehen

Wall Street. Every single thing that would please Goldman Sachs, Hillary is passionately in favor of.

That’s not good, and if we had a real primary on the left might actually hurt her.

222 drool  May 3, 2015 2:42:00pm

Somebody should contact the Pentagon to see if the Cruz crew ever contacted them. He’s probably lying about that too.

223 allegro  May 3, 2015 2:53:46pm

re: #219 Great White Snark

Okay her legislative career is pretty short. Her time at state has zip to do with this topic. And we will necessarily have to ignore her lack of executive branch experience as in zip. Maybe the best start is with a well recognized definition. Wiki do? I struck where I part ways, and fortunately those are the less tightly associated factors. I don’t expect Hilary to drive a personal vehicle… But what a fine example in general Gov Brown sets.

On Jerry-Again Wiki

Cool, now I understand where you’re coming from and I agree that we don’t have that information wrt Hillary. Her corporate attachments are my biggest concerns about her which is why I can’t call her a leftist/liberal and instead think of her as a more of the classic Republican outside of some social liberal positions.

224 Great White Snark  May 3, 2015 2:56:10pm

re: #223 allegro

Thank you very much and if I need some help getting the correct impression of where I’m at so as to not be thought of as a GOP supporter feel free to point out any ill choices in my turn of phrase.

225 Bass Reeves  May 3, 2015 3:05:05pm

From that Wiki definition, are you looking for a moderate who is more of a fiscal conservative than Reagan?

226 Great White Snark  May 3, 2015 3:14:03pm

re: #225 Bass Reeves

I don’t think that’s a useful comparison.

227 darthstar  May 3, 2015 6:50:46pm
228 BeenHereAwhile  May 3, 2015 8:27:36pm

re: #5 sizzzzlerz

It used to be these nutjobs were only heard from at 1 a.m. on some clear channel AM station blasting out of Juarez, Mexico. Now they’re GOP senators and governors. How far we’ve come.

I’d rather have Wolfman Jack.


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