In Which Seymour Hersh Comes Off as a Paranoid Nut

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Wow. It’s almost impossible to describe this interview with Seymour Hersh by Slate’s Isaac Chotiner; it’s really really out there. Just go read it: Seymour Hersh Interview: On His Bin Laden Story, the New Yorker, Journalism, and His Own Bad Mood.

When I posted my criticisms of his piece on Osama bin Laden a couple of days ago, I didn’t expect to see validation of my points quite this soon.

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118 comments
1 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 13, 2015 6:13:12pm

I’m sorry, I know politicians lie and all that happy horseshit, but President Obama has earned enough trust from me that I’m sure the broad outlines of his version are substantially correct.

2 teleskiguy  May 13, 2015 6:15:47pm

Update: UpChucks Super Serial Seekrit Hillary Oppo Project GoFundMe hasn’t had a single donation in 18 days.

3 Charles Johnson  May 13, 2015 6:17:49pm
4 psddluva4evah  May 13, 2015 6:21:04pm

Ya know what…a one point this man was revered in the Black community. If you were Black and wanted to be a Doctor or a surgeon, Ben Carson was a name you knew and respected. As someone who once wanted to be a doctor, this one hits me hard.

Now I consider him a freakin’ joke, no better than Herman Cain or Allen West. How the mighty have fallen.

It’s a sad day for my community…SMDH.

tmz.com

5 Eclectic Cyborg  May 13, 2015 6:21:21pm

CCJ seems determined to obliterate the needle on the asshole meter.

6 Skip Intro  May 13, 2015 6:21:32pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

He should sue them all. Is CCJ losing his nerve?

7 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2015 6:22:47pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

They do not know you exist, UpChuck.
Nor do they care.

8 b_sharp  May 13, 2015 6:22:51pm

Wow, what a self involved tedious old fuck.

9 Unabogie  May 13, 2015 6:23:28pm

I have to agree, Charles. Hersh does not come off well here.

10 Eclectic Cyborg  May 13, 2015 6:23:29pm

re: #8 b_sharp

Wow, what a self involved tedious old fuck.

Carson or CCJ?

/

11 Skip Intro  May 13, 2015 6:23:33pm

re: #8 b_sharp

Getting old changes people. Ask me how I know.

12 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2015 6:23:44pm

And Hersh sounds like he’s suffering from dementia.
Seriously.

13 Charles Johnson  May 13, 2015 6:25:41pm
14 makeitstop  May 13, 2015 6:26:28pm

I haven’t even gotten to the meat of the interview yet, and Hersh is coming off as such a total asshole to the interviewer, I don’t even think I can keep reading

15 b.d.  May 13, 2015 6:26:31pm
Hersh
16 b_sharp  May 13, 2015 6:26:38pm

re: #10 Eclectic Cyborg

Carson or CCJ?

/

Hersh.

17 Charles Johnson  May 13, 2015 6:27:03pm
18 b_sharp  May 13, 2015 6:27:09pm

re: #11 Skip Intro

Getting old changes people. Ask me how I know.

I’m getting up there too. Be 60 shortly.

19 stpaulbear  May 13, 2015 6:27:26pm

re: #10 Eclectic Cyborg

Carson or CCJ?

/

All of them, Katie!

20 Eclectic Cyborg  May 13, 2015 6:28:31pm

Oh boy Chuck is calling you out Charles, whatever will you do?

21 Charles Johnson  May 13, 2015 6:28:34pm
22 teleskiguy  May 13, 2015 6:33:42pm

re: #4 psddluva4evah

Ya know what…a one point this man was revered in the Black community. If you were Black and wanted to be a Doctor or a surgeon, Ben Carson was a name you knew and respected. As someone who once wanted to be a doctor, this one hits me hard.

Now I consider him a freakin’ joke, no better than Herman Cain or Allen West. How the mighty have fallen.

It’s a sad day for my community…SMDH.

tmz.com

I know what you mean. I wrote something to the same effect last night.

23 CuriousLurker  May 13, 2015 6:34:20pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

Still waiting for him to make the Daesh connection. From downstairs:

Based on his name, Abid Gilani, one of the dead is probably Muslim. I wonder if UpChuck will also try to tie in some kind of terrorism/suicidal jihadi angle.

littlegreenfootballs.com

24 ObserverArt  May 13, 2015 6:35:11pm

Did not MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell report part of this Hersh story and use it as some kind of a dig at Obama? I thought someone hinted at that here at LGF.

He manages to take a pretty good swipe at her. I haven’t heard much of the reporting on this whole story. It seemed to be more a look-at-me type of story from the get-go designed to bring Hersh’s name back out to relive some glory. So, I’ve ignored it until reading this Slate piece.

25 WhatEVs  May 13, 2015 6:36:55pm

re: #9 Unabogie

I have to agree, Charles. Hersh does not come off well here.

He comes off like a raving lunatic. That Salon article was bizarre!

26 stpaulbear  May 13, 2015 6:37:14pm

re: #18 b_sharp

I’m getting up there too. Be 60 shortly.

I’m feeling old today (turning 61 in a month). I had to drive 4.5 hours to look at a completed construction project. It was pouring rain when I got there so I couldn’t get any good pictures, and the actual meeting took less than an hour. I then got back in the car and drove back into the heart of Twin Cities rush hour.

The meeting was in the heart of MN summer vacation territory. It was just like going on vacation only without the vacation.

It’s nice to get out of the office, but nine hours of driving in one day sucks.

27 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2015 6:37:40pm

Welp, after all this twisted logic “journalism” today, I’m gonna head off to sleep.

niterz, lizardz!

28 Charles Johnson  May 13, 2015 6:38:07pm

re: #23 CuriousLurker

Still waiting for him to make the Daesh connection. From downstairs:

They’ve dropped the “scary ISIS terrorists” meme now, in favor of the “radical left wing gay activist” meme.

29 Lidane  May 13, 2015 6:40:26pm

…

30 RealityBasedSteve  May 13, 2015 6:41:56pm

re: #26 stpaulbear

I’m feeling old today (turning 61 in a month). I had to drive 4.5 hours to look at a completed construction project. It was pouring rain when I got there so I couldn’t get any good pictures, and the actual meeting took less than an hour. I then got back in the car and drove back into the heart of Twin Cities rush hour.

The meeting was in the heart of MN summer vacation territory. It was just like going on vacation only without the vacation.

It’s nice to get out of the office, but nine hours of driving in one day sucks.

I pretty much hate anything where Total Drive Time > Total Time Spend Doing Said Thing. And it’s pretty much in a direct relationship. Same way about shopping. If I’m making a 120 mile round trip to The Woodcraft Shop, or 100 to REI, you better believe that I’m spending a bunch o bucks. (Pretty much has to be a buck per mile to make me feel like it was worth it).

And upChuck is a warped little troglodyte and in a kinder and more civilized society would be expelled beyond the city gates with nothing more than a loin-cloth. In Winter. At Night.

31 Targetpractice  May 13, 2015 6:42:01pm

re: #1 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’m sorry, I know politicians lie and all that happy horseshit, but President Obama has earned enough trust from me that I’m sure the broad outlines of his version are substantially correct.

Even if you believe the Hersh story (and I sure as hell don’t), the result is still the same: OBL is dead. It doesn’t matter if you believe the official story or Hersh’s long fanfic about a grand conspiracy between the Pakistani gov’t, ISI, and the White House. Doesn’t matter if you believe OBL is fish food or rotting on some mountain. He’s dead, it’s over, let’s move on.

32 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 13, 2015 6:42:21pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

They’ve dropped the “scary ISIS terrorists” meme now, in favor of the “radical left wing gay activist” meme.

Well, he lives in a “Democrat district”! What more do you need? Jade Helm was just a feint! The Gummint’s coming for Pennsylvania!

33 PhillyPretzel  May 13, 2015 6:43:02pm

I just noticed something on the story from Philly com. The times posted for the story are 4:50 AM and last up date 8:26 PM. And when did CCJ get his “information” again?

philly.com

34 Charles Johnson  May 13, 2015 6:44:26pm
35 Kragar  May 13, 2015 6:52:59pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

36 RealityBasedSteve  May 13, 2015 6:53:21pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

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I had my doubts about going to see it, but the fact that Gamer Gate / MRAs are against it means that I’ve got to go now.

RBS

37 Kragar  May 13, 2015 6:54:48pm

re: #36 SteveBasedSteve

A MRA speaks!

[…] men in America and around the world are going to be duped by explosions, fire tornadoes, and desert raiders into seeing what is guaranteed to be nothing more than feminist propaganda, while at the same time being insulted AND tricked into viewing a piece of American culture ruined and rewritten right in front of their very eyes.

38 Kragar  May 13, 2015 6:57:19pm

Nobody tell the MRA’s that Mad Max is Australian.

39 ObserverArt  May 13, 2015 6:57:43pm

So, can someone help me out here?

These Men’s RIghts/Gamer Gater types do not like Charlize Theron in a freaking movie???

Am I right in thinking these guys are supposed to be highly fuled by testosterone and want to come off as men’s men?

Charlize Theron?

Uh, I’d think they would want to see a lot of her in a movie?

///

40 stpaulbear  May 13, 2015 6:57:47pm

re: #37 Kragar

<…blockquote>a piece of American culture ruined and rewritten right in front of their very eyes

Umm, Mad Max is Austrailian.

Edit: Too slow once again.

41 Kragar  May 13, 2015 6:58:34pm

re: #40 stpaulbear

<…blockquote>a piece of American culture ruined and rewritten right in front of their very eyes

Umm, Mad Max is Austrailian.


QUIET YOU BETA!
/

42 Lord Of The Pies  May 13, 2015 6:59:31pm

Hersh is such an obnoxious prick. Like Chucky, but with dementia.

43 RealityBasedSteve  May 13, 2015 6:59:56pm

re: #40 stpaulbear

<…blockquote>a piece of American culture ruined and rewritten right in front of their very eyes

Umm, Mad Max is Austrailian.

Forget it, he’s rolling

44 Targetpractice  May 13, 2015 7:00:15pm

re: #38 Kragar

Nobody tell the MRA’s that Mad Max is Australian.

What’ll really bake their noodles is when they find out that Hardy and Theron are English and South African respectively.

45 team_fukit  May 13, 2015 7:00:42pm

What bugs me about the whole Hersch thing was the Wingnuts’ speed to accept it because it fits their Obama confirmation bias… why don’t they read Hersch’s other stuff that he wrote about the Second Iraq War, Cheney et al.’s plans for Iran since after the First Gulf War, the tensions between DoD and the CIA over the “Copper Green” sexual humiliation/torture program, etc?

46 Kragar  May 13, 2015 7:01:15pm

re: #42 Lord Of The Pies

Hersh is such an obnoxious prick. Like Chucky, but with dementia.

Interviewer: So let me ask..
Hersh: I’LL BE ASKING THE QUESTION HERE!
Interviewer: But… we’re supposed to be..
Hersh: DON’T TELL ME ABOUT HOW THIS IS SUPPOSED TO WORK KID!

47 RealityBasedSteve  May 13, 2015 7:01:20pm

re: #37 Kragar

A MRA speaks!

I’m betting that the Kill Bill movies aren’t big with them either.

RBS

48 Kragar  May 13, 2015 7:03:57pm
49 austin_blue  May 13, 2015 7:04:28pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

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I wouldn’t fuck with Charlize. Her mom blew her dad away with a shotgun.

Justified! A daughter learns these things…

50 teleskiguy  May 13, 2015 7:07:52pm

Shootin’ fish in a barrel full of fish, with a machine pistol.

51 Kragar  May 13, 2015 7:08:56pm

re: #50 teleskiguy

Shootin’ fish in a barrel full of fish, with a machine pistol.

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3 hours in Chuck Johnson time is like what, 5 hours of normal time?

52 stpaulbear  May 13, 2015 7:09:55pm

re: #40 stpaulbear

Man, I’m fried tonight. I just noticed I screwed up the blockquote. Time for bed.

53 Lord Of The Pies  May 13, 2015 7:10:13pm

re: #51 Kragar

3 hours in Chuck Johnson time is like what, 5 hours of normal time?

More like 5 days. I don’t think he counts the time he’s passed out drunk.

54 Kragar  May 13, 2015 7:12:08pm

Chuckjohnsoned: verb

The act of injecting oneself uninvited into a topic of discussion to express the most unbelievably batshit insane opinion possible, usually using racism, homophobia, misogyny or a combination of the 3 to do so.

55 ObserverArt  May 13, 2015 7:13:59pm

re: #54 Kragar

Chuckjohnsoned: verb

The act of injecting oneself uninvited into a topic of discussion to express the most unbelievably batshit insane opinion possible, usually using racism, homophobia, misogyny or a combination of the 3 to do so.

Be sure to add political tilt to your definition.

56 Kragar  May 13, 2015 7:15:26pm

re: #55 ObserverArt

Be sure to add political tilt to your definition.

I was stressing the negative aspects of Chuckjohnsoning

57 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 13, 2015 7:15:55pm

re: #44 Targetpractice

What’ll really bake their noodles is when they find out that Hardy and Theron are English and South African respectively.

I had no idea about her until she hosted SNL and came out and introduced herself in Afrikaans.

58 Charles Johnson  May 13, 2015 7:16:23pm

If Chucky actually posts any “dick pics” I’ll be very surprised. More likely, he’ll claim his team of lawyers advised him against it.

59 RealityBasedSteve  May 13, 2015 7:18:41pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

If Chucky actually posts any “dick pics” I’ll be very surprised. More likely, he’ll claim his team of lawyers advised him against it.

Yep, due to those unconstitutional “Revenge Porn” laws. Wasn’t that going to be his next big money maker, some scam where he would give people the right to buy the pics from him instead of them being posted. Seems like he was hinting around at something like that.

RBS

60 teleskiguy  May 13, 2015 7:19:26pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

team of lawyers

The guy is dangerous. He’s got a team of lawyers like I’m dating Lindsey Vonn. He’s a loose cannon who’s highly delusional.

61 WhatEVs  May 13, 2015 7:19:43pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

If Chucky actually posts any “dick pics” I’ll be very surprised. More likely, he’ll claim his team of lawyers advised him against it.

They’ll probably be pics of his own, erm, Johnson (sorry!)

Ok, I just threw up a little in my mouth.

62 RealityBasedSteve  May 13, 2015 7:21:18pm

re: #60 teleskiguy

The guy is dangerous. He’s got a team of lawyers like I’m dating Lindsey Vonn. He’s a loose cannon who’s highly delusional.

She might date you…. she’s on the rebound, and is used to things going downhill fast.

RBS

63 Lord Of The Pies  May 13, 2015 7:21:43pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

If Chucky actually posts any “dick pics” I’ll be very surprised. More likely, he’ll claim his team of lawyers advised him against it.

Team of lawyers: some guy who stayed at a Holiday Inn Express

64 Kragar  May 13, 2015 7:22:06pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

If Chucky actually posts any “dick pics” I’ll be very surprised. More likely, he’ll claim his team of lawyers advised him against it.

CA is very strict about posting private nude photos without permission. It would mean serious fines and jail time for Chuck

65 PhillyPretzel  May 13, 2015 7:22:11pm

re: #61 WhatEVs

Then all we need is for the “hot asian wife” to verify that it is the one. //

66 Charles Johnson  May 13, 2015 7:23:03pm
67 psddluva4evah  May 13, 2015 7:24:10pm

Ya kno what, I just don’t think Jeb seriously wants to be Prez. I mean did he really not have an answer prepared for the Iraq question? I mean duh. Maybe he just didn’t expect it from Conserv media, but still…

I mean. Is it just Bush family privilege? Cause his answers have been ridiculously tone deaf. I just can’t imagine that he didn’t have a better answer…SMH. I expected an implosion, but not this soon and NOT over questions about GWB and Iraq. Jeez. talk about a question that you already knew would be asked…smh

I mean…WAIT WHUT? the newest answer doesn’t even make sense…

68 teleskiguy  May 13, 2015 7:24:18pm

re: #62 SteveBasedSteve

She might date you…. she’s on the rebound, and is used to things going downhill fast.

RBS

Oh Stevie boy what it would be to even ski with that woman…

I’m confident that if her and I ever did ski together that I could keep up and she’d be all like “Damn Charlie, you’re a good telemark skier.”

69 ObserverArt  May 13, 2015 7:27:37pm

Later! Remember, go easy on the ground Chuck.

70 RealityBasedSteve  May 13, 2015 7:27:56pm

re: #68 teleskiguy

Oh Stevie boy what it would be to even ski with that woman…

I’m confident that if her and I ever did ski together that I could keep up and she’d be all like “Damn Charlie, you’re a good telemark skier.”

Glad you took it in the spirit it was meant. Looking at it after I posted, realized that it had come off a bit snarkier than I had intended.

Put her on a set of Telemarks, and then you can wait for her.

RBS

71 Amory Blaine  May 13, 2015 7:29:27pm

Conservatives make me want to fucking puke.

Assembly passes food stamp restrictions, drug testing

Most of the bills putting new requirements on public benefits probably won’t be implemented even if signed into law. That’s because they depend on federal approval and finding the millions of state taxpayer dollars needed to carry out drug tests and treatment and to force people on FoodShare to avoid luxuries and eat healthier meals.

The food stamp bill is opposed by a coalition of state business groups that say it could prevent the purchase of foods grown and made in Wisconsin.

“Though well-intentioned, Assembly Bill 177 is a threat to both job creation in our state and our right to decide for ourselves what to put in our grocery carts,” a statement reads from the coalition that includes the Grocery Manufacturers Association, the Midwest Food Processors Association, the Wisconsin Pork Association, the Wisconsin Potato and Vegetable Growers, and the Wisconsin State Cranberry Association.

Under the proposal, people couldn’t buy crab, lobster or other shellfish with food stamps and would have to spend two-thirds of their benefits on produce, beef, pork, poultry, potatoes, dairy products or food available under the Women, Infants and Children nutrition program.

72 BlueSpotinAL  May 13, 2015 7:30:34pm

re: #61 WhatEVs

They’ll probably be pics of his own, erm, Johnson (sorry!)

Ok, I just threw up a little in my mouth.

The pixels would be smaller than most pictures, right?

73 gwangung  May 13, 2015 7:34:21pm

re: #67 psddluva4evah

Ya kno what, I just don’t think Jeb seriously wants to be Prez. I mean did he really not have an answer prepared for the Iraq question? I mean duh. Maybe he just didn’t expect it from Conserv media, but still…

I mean. Is it just Bush family privilege? Cause his answers have been ridiculously tone deaf. I just can’t imagine that he didn’t have a better answer…SMH. I expected an implosion, but not this soon and NOT over questions about GWB and Iraq. Jeez. talk about a question that you already knew would be asked…smh

I mean…WAIT WHUT? the newest answer doesn’t even make sense…

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This is not going to matter to Republicans. The only thing that matters if it has an R behind their name.

74 teleskiguy  May 13, 2015 7:34:49pm

re: #70 SteveBasedSteve

Glad you took it in the spirit it was meant. Looking at it after I posted, realized that it had come off a bit snarkier than I had intended.

Put her on a set of Telemarks, and then you can wait for her.

RBS

Dude, I think your #62 is entirely appropriate and funny in this forum. Let’s face it, I’d love to be Lindsey Vonn’s girlfriend! She’s sponsored by Red Bull and Audi. And she’s the best female skier on the planet. Hubba hubba!

As to the emphasized part of your comment,

75 RealityBasedSteve  May 13, 2015 7:39:29pm

re: #74 teleskiguy

Dude, I think your #62 is entirely appropriate and funny in this forum. Let’s face it, I’d love to be Lindsey Vonn’s girlfriend! She’s sponsored by Red Bull and Audi. And she’s the best female skier on the planet. Hubba hubba!

As to the emphasized part of your comment,

Embedded Image

Is there something you’re not telling us?

76 makeitstop  May 13, 2015 7:39:35pm

OT but cool - a French photographer takes photos of Paris from the 40s and uses the current locations as backgrounds.

Paris Overlays

77 jaunte  May 13, 2015 7:40:58pm

re: #37 Kragar

A MRA speaks!

[…] men in America and around the world are going to be duped by explosions, fire tornadoes, and desert raiders into seeing what is guaranteed to be nothing more than feminist propaganda, while at the same time being insulted AND tricked into viewing a piece of American culture ruined and rewritten right in front of their very eyes.

That doesn’t say much for the intelligence of the people he’s worried will be “duped”

78 Charles Johnson  May 13, 2015 7:42:00pm
79 Jenner7  May 13, 2015 7:42:19pm

re: #24 ObserverArt

NBC has now walked back the story.

huffingtonpost.com

80 teleskiguy  May 13, 2015 7:42:30pm

re: #75 SteveBasedSteve

Is there something you’re not telling us?

In all honesty, I love @jaztelemark’s style.

…

Sorry not sorry for “Happy” by Pharrell Williams.

81 Charles Johnson  May 13, 2015 7:47:01pm
82 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 13, 2015 7:47:05pm

Okay, if I had ever harbored the tiniest bit of belief in Hersh’s crap—up-to-date insider info from some guy who quit working in Pakistani intelligence over 20 years ago—now that I’ve read that interview, I wouldn’t believe him if he told me water was wet.

83 WhatEVs  May 13, 2015 7:48:02pm

re: #80 teleskiguy

In all honesty, I love @jaztelemark’s style.

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Sorry not sorry for “Happy” by Pharrell Williams.

I love Happy. It makes me…happy!

84 Jenner7  May 13, 2015 7:48:33pm

re: #67 psddluva4evah

He also told a whopper:

“Then Ms. Ziedrich asked: “Why are you saying that ISIS was created by us not having a presence in the Middle East when it’s pointless wars where we send young American men to die for the idea of American exceptionalism? Why are you spouting nationalist rhetoric to get us involved in more wars?”

Mr. Bush replied: “We respectfully disagree. We have a disagreement. When we left Iraq, security had been arranged, Al Qaeda had been taken out. There was a fragile system that could have been brought up to eliminate the sectarian violence.”“

talkingpointsmemo.com

85 BeachDem  May 13, 2015 7:53:24pm

re: #61 WhatEVs

They’ll probably be pics of his own, erm, Johnson (sorry!)

Ok, I just threw up a little in my mouth.

Well, he has mentioned how much the engineer guy looks like him, so maybe not so far off. (other than the red hair, I don’t see it, but…)

86 A Cranky One  May 13, 2015 7:57:22pm
This tweet is a fake, just like Upchuck
87 BeachDem  May 13, 2015 7:58:50pm

re: #83 WhatEVs

I love Happy. It makes me…happy!

And watching John Lewis happily dancing to Happy makes me even happier!

…

88 Jenner7  May 13, 2015 7:58:51pm

re: #86 A Cranky One

Sad thing is, you can’t really tell it’s fake.

89 Eclectic Cyborg  May 13, 2015 7:59:03pm

What would CCJ do without Twitter?

90 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 13, 2015 8:03:27pm

It’s VB’s fault:

91 Skip Intro  May 13, 2015 8:04:00pm

His followers are even dumber than he is.

92 RealityBasedSteve  May 13, 2015 8:04:31pm

re: #86 A Cranky One

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93 Jenner7  May 13, 2015 8:05:52pm

Sigh…

94 Skip Intro  May 13, 2015 8:06:11pm

Looks like “back in 3 hours” means one in hour in CCJ’s out of kilter universe.

95 A Cranky One  May 13, 2015 8:22:39pm
Later, Lizards!
96 RealityBasedSteve  May 13, 2015 8:29:12pm

Majority of Ted Cruz, Rick Perry and Tea Party members believe that the federal gov. is planning on invading and taking over Texas.

They have the breakouts / crosstabs at RWW

A new survey from Public Policy Polling finds [PDF] that one-third of Republicans believe the Jade Helm 15 conspiracy theory that “the government is trying to take over Texas,” and another 28 percent of GOP voters haven’t made up their minds yet about the matter.

The right-wing frenzy over an upcoming military exercise called Jade Helm 15 has swept up the Republican governor of Texas and several other GOP leaders who wonder if the drill is part of a plan by President Obama to seize Texas, impose martial law, confiscate firearms and throw conservatives into closed Walmart stores that have been converted into FEMA camps.

Among Republicans, PPP found that supporters of former Texas Gov. Rick Perry and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz were most likely to believe the conspiracy theory.

- See more at: rightwingwatch.org

97 Belafon  May 13, 2015 8:31:11pm

re: #89 Eclectic Cyborg

What would CCJ do without Twitter?

The same thing he does with Twitter, though fewer people would care.

98 RealityBasedSteve  May 13, 2015 8:31:21pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

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He’s like a train wreck occurring during a train wreck.

99 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 13, 2015 8:31:55pm

Dead. DEAD.

100 CleverToad  May 13, 2015 8:32:37pm

re: #76 makeitstop

The Paris pics are very cool indeed

101 teleskiguy  May 13, 2015 8:32:41pm

Just got into a screaming match with my pops over the phone. It started when I asked him ‘Who’d you vote for? Hillary or [fill in the blank with random GOP clown car candidate]?’ He went off on me, saying the Clintons are murderers and that Bill let the genocide happen in Rwanda. It was ugly. He asked ‘So are you gonna fuckin’ vote for Hillary?’ ‘Maybe.’ He hung on up me. I have to go over to their house tomorrow and fuckin’ smooth things over. Ugh.

102 austin_blue  May 13, 2015 8:33:10pm

re: #93 Jenner7

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Sigh…

Poor kid was lucky he didn’t get tased or shot.

Really, Lizards, (if this story is accurate), what kind of human sprays mace into the face of a ten year old child?

Isn’t it time we have a serious discussion about the level of police violence against our citizens?

103 Belafon  May 13, 2015 8:33:31pm

re: #96 SteveBasedSteve

I live in a conservative suburb of Dallas. My family and I were talking about this at dinner last week, and I wondered how many people in the restaurant believe that the invasion of Texas in imminent.

104 calochortus  May 13, 2015 8:37:21pm

re: #101 teleskiguy

Just got into a screaming match with my pops over the phone. It started when I asked him ‘Who’d you vote for? Hillary or [fill in the blank with random GOP clown car candidate]?’ He went off on me, saying the Clintons are murderers and that Bill let the genocide happen in Rwanda. It was ugly. He asked ‘So are you gonna fuckin’ vote for Hillary?’ ‘Maybe.’ He hung on up me. I have to go over to their house tomorrow and fuckin’ smooth things over. Ugh.

Good luck with that.

105 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 13, 2015 8:38:18pm

re: #101 teleskiguy

Are they Republican or way left?

Either way, good luck. This is why I rarely talk politics with my family. I’m supposed to get along with them.

106 CleverToad  May 13, 2015 8:39:50pm

Different day, same news
*sigh*
nite all, sleep as well as you can

107 RealityBasedSteve  May 13, 2015 8:42:07pm

Well, I’m going to be outta here early tonight. Did my swim tests for Divemaster, 400 meter swim (just trunks, no gear), 800 meters with fins / mask / snorkel (legs only, no arms allowed), tread water 15 minutes (last two with hands out of water), 100 yards towing another diver (both of us in full gear). All the swim events were timed, and I did well enough on them that I won’t have to redo any.

I had planned on spending a month or so training for it, sort of got surprised with it, said “What the hell, if I don’t pass it, no biggie, at least I’ve got a baseline to work from”.

In any case, I’m feeling it now. : )

in any case, stolen from a FB post…

108 teleskiguy  May 13, 2015 8:44:36pm

I would consider my parents on the political spectrum thus: mom’s center-left, dad’s center-right. But there is a seething hatred of anything Clinton that I had forgotten about until tonight with dad. I can remember him being virulently anti-Clinton anything when he was president. My pops listened to Rush Limbaugh a lot in those days, he loved it. He doesn’t listen to talk radio anymore, thank dog.

First thing I’m saying to my dad tomorrow in his face, “I promise to never talk about the Clintons with you ever again. Buds?”

109 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 13, 2015 8:45:23pm
110 b_sharp  May 13, 2015 8:46:08pm

re: #109 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Do I see celery & onions in that?

111 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 13, 2015 8:48:57pm

GotNwes has pinpointed the real cause of the Amtrak188 crash

BREAKING: GotNwes IDs black Muslim gay ginger #Amtrak188 train conductor engineer
Thanks to the efforts of, like, real journalists, gotnwes.com has independently identified the engineer at the center of the Amtrak crash that has killed at least seven.

The fact that he was at the center of the crash may have had something to do with it. Probably he should have been in the lead car, y’know?

The engineer is a 32-year-old ginger! And we all know they shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near machinery of any kind, including computers and cellphones, or they might get onto Twitter and say shit that makes no sense.

I have a thought criminal. Join me in the gulag. It will be our base of operations. #Amtrak

— Charles C. Johnson (@ChuckCJohnson) May 14, 2015

112 jaunte  May 13, 2015 8:51:45pm
113 jaunte  May 13, 2015 8:52:42pm
114 jaunte  May 13, 2015 8:55:17pm
“…HB 3994 contains unconstitutional modifications to the judicial bypass for abortion procedure compromising confidentiality, impeding expeditiousness, and creating a new procedure that will function as an impermissible arbitrary veto over a minor’s decision to have an abortion.”
janesdueprocess.org

“HB 3994 would prohibit access to abortion for all women who do not posses a government ID.”

115 Dark_Falcon  May 13, 2015 8:56:56pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

They’ve dropped the “scary ISIS terrorists” meme now, in favor of the “radical left wing gay activist” meme.

The sick part of that is that ISIS really did do something horrible today, in Benghazi no less:

Four children were killed in rocket attack on an area of the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi where Islamic State militants claimed responsibility for a mortar attack, officials said on Wednesday.

The children were killed on Tuesday when a rocket hit their neighborhood, near an area where army forces and Islamist brigades have been fighting, Libya’s internationally recognized government said in a statement.

“Four innocent children were killed by an extremist terrorist group in one of the ugliest crimes,” the government of Prime Minister Abdullah al-Thinni said in a statement.

Militants claiming loyalty to Islamic State said on Twitter they had fired mortar rockets into the district where the children were killed. They posted pictures purportedly showing their fighters loading and firing mortars, without mentioning the children.

“OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGES!!1” aren’t needed to show the monstrous nature of the so-called Islamic State, as its followers commit a steady stream of atrocities, this latest one worse than the Benghazi Consulate attack in 2012.

And yes, I said this is worse, morally if nothing else. Those who died in the consulate attack were all grown men who’d volunteered to be there, whereas today’s dead were all children who were simply born to people living in Benghazi and who were murdered in what amounts to a terror bombardment.

116 teleskiguy  May 13, 2015 9:04:11pm

Wow.

117 Dark_Falcon  May 13, 2015 9:05:37pm

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

Sorry about the depressing story, folks. But some of the “screaming about the wrong problem” aspects of UpChuck’s DERPery got on my nerves, and at such times I find it useful to remember the real evil of the enemy. Because the screamers still don’t get it: Attacking America is a secondary matter for Daesh, what they really want is to take territory in the Islamic world. They don’t want Benghazi as a base from which to run criminal operations and mount terror attacks, as Al-Qaeda would, they seek to control the city because they want rule it.

A very simple but effective case against ISIS is this: They think they have the right to rule the world, and they’re willing to randomly children in furtherance of their goal.

118 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 13, 2015 9:12:31pm

re: #110 b_sharp

Do I see celery & onions in that?

Yes, there were.


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