Family Values, Duggar Style: Jim Bob Duggar Didn’t Report Son Josh’s Alleged Sex Offenses for More Than a Year

The executive director of the Family Research Council’s political wing is a molester
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Entertainment journal In Touch has the latest horrible news about the scandal breaking for the far right ultra-Christian incredibly fertile Duggar family: Bombshell Duggar Police Report: Jim Bob Duggar Didn’t Report Son Josh’s Alleged Sex Offenses for More Than a Year.

Josh DuggarJim Bob Duggar waited more than a year after his son, Josh, confessed to sexually molesting several female minors before contacting police, In Touch Magazine is reporting exclusively, based on information contained in the official police report.

What’s more, Jim Bob informed the elders of his church about Joshua’s actions and they waited three months before contacting authorities. The explosive new information is contained in a Springdale, Ark., police report obtained by In Touch magazine.

The report has been hidden since 2006 and was just obtained by the mag through a Freedom of information Act request. Jim Bob also refused to allow police to interview Josh when they opened a felony investigation in 2006. The Duggars star on TLC’s hit show 19 Kids and Counting.

In Touch magazine first broke the news of the Duggars’ underage sexual molestation scandal in this week’s magazine. (Note: Josh’s name is redacted from the police report but In Touch has confirmed the passages that refer to him.)

Other bombshells in the police report are: Josh Duggar was investigated for multiple sex offenses — including forcible fondling — against five minors. Some of the alleged offenses investigated were felonies. Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar were interviewed by the Springdale Police department on Dec. 12, 2006. The report says that James told police he was alerted in March, 2002 by a female minor that Josh — who turned 14-years-old that month — had been touching her breasts and genitals while she slept. This allegedly happened on multiple occasions. In 2006, Jim Bob told police that in July, 2002 Josh admitted to fondling a minor’s breasts while she slept. “James said that they disciplined (redacted, Josh) after this incident.” The family did not alert authorities.

Josh Duggar has now reportedly resigned from the Family Research Council, where he specialized in making statements like this: Flashback: Duggars Call LGBT People a Threat to Child Safety.

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Duggar’s group, the Family Research Council, regularly paints the LGBT community as a precarious threat to children, and he and his family have participated in that rhetoric.

Last December, Duggar led a successful campaign to defeat a LGBT nondiscrimination measure in Fayetteville, Arkansas, which he said jeopardized the safety of children during an interview on the FRC radio program “Washington Watch.”

Disgusting people.

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223 comments
1 Justanotherhuman  May 21, 2015 5:20:32pm

I’m wondering how much else he’s gotten away with?

2 calochortus  May 21, 2015 5:21:38pm

Love all that wholesomeness.
IIRC their older children supervised their younger children. What could possibly go wrong?

3 Rocky-in-Connecticut  May 21, 2015 5:25:01pm

I bet most supporters of this vile organization still consider Obama and “those damn LIberals” more of a personal threat to their children than this cretin.

Ass-wipes all.

4 Targetpractice  May 21, 2015 5:28:51pm

Anyone with a brain and a sense of morality would see this as another reason to despise the Duggars. But we can be sure wingnuts will be quick to depict the family, if not Josh himself, as “victims” of the “liberal media.”

5 Justanotherhuman  May 21, 2015 5:29:04pm

“The Duggars chose to wait before having children and used birth control pills in the early years of their marriage. Their eldest child, Josh, was born in 1988. They resumed using oral contraceptives after Josh’s birth but conceived again despite this precaution. Michelle miscarried that pregnancy. Michelle has mentioned that they named that child Caleb, despite not knowing the baby’s sex for certain.[7] The Duggars believed the miscarriage was due to their use of contraceptives, and decided to stop using birth control. They decided to “allow God to determine the number of children they would have.”[8]

There were 5 younger girls by 2002, one had a fraternal twin brother. The youngest would have been 5 in 2002. The twin would have been 12, one 11, one 10, one 9. Then there was a spate of boys.

en.wikipedia.org

6 calochortus  May 21, 2015 5:29:12pm

Incidentally the article makes it sound like the Family Research Council is a Duggar family organization. Actually it is James Dobson’s creation, though I’m not sure how involved he still is. Tony Perkins runs it now, I think.

7 Justanotherhuman  May 21, 2015 5:30:15pm

re: #6 calochortus

Incidentally the article makes it sound like the Family Research Council is a Duggar family organization. Actually it is James Dobson’s creation, though I’m not sure how involved he still is. Tony Perkins runs it now, I think.

It doesn’t matter—they’re all horrible hypocrites.

8 calochortus  May 21, 2015 5:30:59pm

re: #7 Justanotherhuman

It doesn’t matter—they’re all horrible hypocrites.

Yes, they are.

9 b_sharp  May 21, 2015 5:31:38pm

re: #6 calochortus

Incidentally the article makes it sound like the Family Research Council is a Duggar family organization. Actually it is James Dobson’s creation, though I’m not sure how involved he still is. Tony Perkins runs it now, I think.

Do they put the family first, or god (whichever they worship)? Do they do any research or just read the Bible and interpret it to fit their preconceptions?

10 allegro  May 21, 2015 5:32:38pm

I’m not a parent so I wouldn’t be comfortable demonizing the parents for trying to protect their son from law enforcement and trying other ways to deal with his disturbing behavior. That said, he sure wouldn’t ever be alone with my other children ever again.

11 Justanotherhuman  May 21, 2015 5:33:02pm

BTW, the police chief has said the cop had a taser—which he didn’t use.

12 Charles Johnson  May 21, 2015 5:33:17pm

re: #6 calochortus

Incidentally the article makes it sound like the Family Research Council is a Duggar family organization. Actually it is James Dobson’s creation, though I’m not sure how involved he still is. Tony Perkins runs it now, I think.

Yes, Perkins runs it, but Josh Duggar was the head of their “political wing,” until today.

13 Bubblehead II  May 21, 2015 5:35:30pm

Once again, the moral (hah!) religious right has been to shown as nothing more than a sham. As I said down stairs, watch Teddy and the rest of them run away from the Duggars and the quiver full movement as fast as they can.

14 calochortus  May 21, 2015 5:36:04pm

re: #9 b_sharp

Do they put the family first, or god (whichever they worship)? Do they do any research or just read the Bible and interpret it to fit their preconceptions?

I believe they are adherents of this nutcase (Bill Gothard)

15 lawhawk  May 21, 2015 5:36:29pm

Covering up molestation. Molesting family members.

Real family values there. And they have the gall to judge others when they’re busy engaging in this kind of criminality.

Josh deserves to see the inside of a jail. So too do his parents for covering up a crime (and conspiracy to cover up, among others). They engaged in obstruction of justice and deserve to see prison as well.

This just really irks me to no end.

16 Justanotherhuman  May 21, 2015 5:37:17pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

You mean propaganda wing, don’t you? : )

17 calochortus  May 21, 2015 5:37:43pm

re: #15 lawhawk

Well, apparently Bill Gothard has been accused of sexually harassing and molesting female employees, so I’m sure he’s a great role model.

18 calochortus  May 21, 2015 5:38:57pm

re: #15 lawhawk

I’m guessing the paterfamilias views all the children as his property, so meting out justice for anything within the family is his prerogative.

19 Jenner7  May 21, 2015 5:39:04pm

Don’t kiss until you’re married, but have at it with the groping!

Sorry, but these people are sick. What those parents have inflicted on their children is just horrible.

20 Justanotherhuman  May 21, 2015 5:40:11pm

re: #17 calochortus

Well, apparently Bill Gothard has been accused of sexually harassing and molesting female employees, so I’m sure he’s a great role model.

I’ve met assholes like him before in my long lifetime. All nicey-nicey so they can get close enough to start feeling you up. Damn perverts.

And they think nothing of it and call you names.

21 BeachDem  May 21, 2015 5:40:23pm

Since we’re talking about the Family Research Council, let me repeat this from the last thread—a scene by scene breakdown—it is hilarious.

FRC “Stand for Marriage”

Synopsis: The leader of the socially conservative Family Research Council interrupts his rigorous study of self-righteousness to urge his fellow Adam-and-Evers to oppose legalization of gay marriage before U.S. Christians are rounded up by despotic homosexuals and forced to swear allegiance to Satan.

pointlessplanet.com

22 Bubblehead II  May 21, 2015 5:41:39pm

re: #15 lawhawk

The victims were FEMALE. Just pay a (biblical) price for damages and let it go, After all, it was what Jesus would do.

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23 calochortus  May 21, 2015 5:41:47pm

re: #20 Justanotherhuman

I’ve met assholes like him before in my long lifetime. All nicey-nicey so they can get close enough to start feeling you up. Damn perverts.

And they think nothing of it and call you names.

I think we’ve all (well, at least the females among us) met someone like that.

24 Charles Johnson  May 21, 2015 5:42:10pm

I fully expect Chuck Johnson to start defending Josh Duggar any minute.

25 calochortus  May 21, 2015 5:42:37pm

Oops, lost track of time. Have to go start dinner.

26 allegro  May 21, 2015 5:44:59pm

re: #19 Jenner7

Don’t kiss until you’re married, but have at it with the groping!

Sorry, but these people are sick. What those parents have inflicted on their children is just horrible.

That’s what keeps getting into my head. Are these kids taught anything about normal sexuality? Yeah, Mom is popping a kid out every year but are they left completely on their own to deal with their changing bodies and desires? It seems so and thus fertile ground for this kind of sick attitude and behavior.

27 lawhawk  May 21, 2015 5:46:58pm

And it just gets worse and worse.

28 Charles Johnson  May 21, 2015 5:47:13pm
29 #FergusonFireside  May 21, 2015 5:49:12pm

Forgiven! It’s the Jesus way!

Interpreted to give any horrific person the way forward.

pew.

30 Jenner7  May 21, 2015 5:51:00pm

Reading the comments on their FB page. Ugh. A lot of “don’t judge” and one where the lefties were defending Lena after her confession in her book.

Don’t judge him, but let’s judge gay people who just want to get married. MMkay.

31 Justanotherhuman  May 21, 2015 5:51:18pm

This guy is on the run and he’s a horrible person. Had already been in prison 13 yrs for raping another woman. I just wonder why this woman, if she knew about his past, didn’t have him locked up since it would have saved her life and her son’s as well.

Suspect not found in Sedalia search after woman held captive in box is slain along with her son

Read more here: kansascity.com

32 Charles Johnson  May 21, 2015 5:51:22pm
33 Charles Johnson  May 21, 2015 5:53:28pm

Here they come.

34 Charles Johnson  May 21, 2015 5:54:26pm
35 Justanotherhuman  May 21, 2015 5:57:31pm

Later, Lizards!

36 Lord Of The Pies  May 21, 2015 5:57:37pm

I just blocked a bunch of assholes in my timeline complaining that retired teachers & firefighters are sucking ALL TEH MONEYS out of “Democrat controlled cities” and GOP governors are just trying to give some of that money back to the “private sector” of poor harassed billionaires.

Fuck this shit.

37 Charles Johnson  May 21, 2015 5:58:56pm
38 Targetpractice  May 21, 2015 6:02:21pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

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That’s their only real way to deal with it, to deflect and go “Well yeah, but (insert “liberal hero” here)…”

What interests me is whether Rush the Hutt will touch on it and what his excuse will be. I imagine it’s gonna be a whopper.

39 #FergusonFireside  May 21, 2015 6:03:23pm

The 2nd brother & the third & the 4th are prob doing the same thing.

40 thedopefishlives  May 21, 2015 6:03:38pm

Evening Lizardim from the beautiful clear wild north country. The monsoons have slackened just enough for some cold weather (lows below 40 degrees) and, finally, today - a beautiful, 75-degree, cloudless day that was perfect for mowing the yard and prepping for major car surgery. How go things among the lizardfolk? Has everyone been on their best behavior in my absence? Don’t make me bust out the sledgehammer!

41 Charles Johnson  May 21, 2015 6:05:00pm
42 thedopefishlives  May 21, 2015 6:05:47pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

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He’s probably too pickled at the moment. He’ll get back to you when his level of drunk is low enough for the talking points to stick in his head.

43 Eclectic Cyborg  May 21, 2015 6:06:01pm

This is a larger societal problem than we think. It’s not just family values types either.

A guy I go to church with was busted for child porn last week.

I have no idea what the problem is.

44 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 21, 2015 6:06:10pm

re: #40 thedopefishlives

I have a new toy or two.

45 thedopefishlives  May 21, 2015 6:07:04pm

re: #44 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I have a new toy or two.

Do tell.

And for the interested Lizardim, no, the land yacht is not yet alive, but I expect that to change shortly. That is one of two major car surgeries I am prepping for this weekend, time and weather permitting.

46 Charles Johnson  May 21, 2015 6:07:10pm
47 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 21, 2015 6:09:59pm

re: #45 thedopefishlives

DMC thread color card (with samples!), which will be useful for doing my own patterns/color conversions.

And the HP Spectre x360, which is just about set up at this point. i7, 8 gigs RAM, 256 gig hard drive, converts to a tablet, and can actually be used in my lap.

Third time appears to have been the charm on the whole “development environment setup” thing. I finally may have some clue what I am doing.

48 #FergusonFireside  May 21, 2015 6:10:01pm
49 allegro  May 21, 2015 6:11:34pm

re: #43 Eclectic Cyborg

This is a larger societal problem than we think. It’s not just family values types either.

A guy I go to church with was busted for child porn last week.

I have no idea what the problem is.

IMO it’s our culturally repressed and shame-based attitudes about sexuality. Look at the insanity over a flashed nipple while children are denied knowledge and healthy self awareness.

50 Targetpractice  May 21, 2015 6:12:40pm

re: #48 #FergusonFireside

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Speaking of which, I’m wondering how TLC will handle this.

51 #FergusonFireside  May 21, 2015 6:13:55pm

re: #50 Targetpractice

Speaking of which, I’m wondering how TLC will handle this.

They are freaking out about the $$$. They killed Honey Boo Boo. Must do the same.

52 Charles Johnson  May 21, 2015 6:14:09pm
53 Charles Johnson  May 21, 2015 6:14:27pm
54 Kragar  May 21, 2015 6:14:41pm
55 psddluva4evah  May 21, 2015 6:15:33pm

the accusation is 5 FREAKIN gurls!!! Not some random one off…5 freakin girls!

56 #FergusonFireside  May 21, 2015 6:17:30pm

re: #55 psddluva4evah

the accusation is 5 FREAKIN gurls!!! Not some random one off…5 freakin girls!

His young sisters.

57 Charles Johnson  May 21, 2015 6:17:50pm

re: #55 psddluva4evah

the accusation is 5 FREAKIN gurls!!! Not some random one off…5 freakin girls!

He got away with it, and then kept doing it.

58 allegro  May 21, 2015 6:19:55pm

Since he was doing this repeatedly throughout his puberty I gotta wonder how ingrained it became. Isn’t that a thing? That it becomes a necessity to get off like forever?

59 Kragar  May 21, 2015 6:20:06pm
60 psddluva4evah  May 21, 2015 6:20:10pm

He was confronted at 17 and taken to PD. The PD did nothing and the family sought counciling.

Here is a spotify. Nothing graphic, but I’m giving a Trigger Warning, just in case.

61 Kragar  May 21, 2015 6:21:40pm
62 lawhawk  May 21, 2015 6:22:30pm

So, has TLC decided to close up shop on the endless parade of lifeless packaging that they claim to be reality tv, but is nothing of the sort? No? Seems like they keep running these shows out there.

It’s cheap programming filler and has attracted a following for whatever reason - because some people just can’t help watch train wrecks, or think that this is funny or insightful or that there’s nothing better on tv. I just don’t know.

But one has to wonder just what the network knew and when they knew it, if all this was going on. You’d think they’d do their due diligence, especially with other issues with reality tv shows and all manner of criminality or improper behavior. There was another couple of shows of recent vintage that also ended over sexual molestation: that show with Honey Boo Boo and Sons of Guns.

63 Kragar  May 21, 2015 6:24:01pm
64 Dr. Matt  May 21, 2015 6:24:25pm

Contact the sponsors of the Duggar’s show and boycott them!

Hidden Valley: Phone #:[no phone numbers allowed] Email: goo.gl

Disney: Phone #:[no phone numbers allowed] Email: goo.gl Address: 500 S Buena Vista St, Burbank, California 91521-6369

Little Ceasars: Phone # [no phone numbers allowed] Address: 2211 Woodward Ave.
Detroit, MI 48201

Capital One: Address: 1680 Capital One Drive McClean, VA 22102 Phone #: [no phone numbers allowed] Email: webinfo@capitalone.com

H&R Block: One H&R Block Way Kansas City, MO 64105 Phone #: [no phone numbers allowed] Email: info@hrblock.com

KAO Brands: Address: 312 Plum Street Building Cincinnati, OH 45201 Phone #:[no phone numbers allowed] Email: goo.gl

Mars: Address: 6885 Elm St. McLean, VA Phone #: [no phone numbers allowed] Email: goo.gl

P&G: goo.gl

Maybellene: goo.gl

State Farm: goo.gl

Nestle: goo.gl
Flonase:

Lysol, Mucinex, Sandals Resort, Charmin, Geico, Chase, Vidal Sasoon, and Post.
Here’s the ones in Canada
Jergens, Caesar dog food, Rogers (a Canadian telecom), Nivea, X Company (a new show coming on CBC, our national broadcaster, which is not affiliated with TLC or Discovery), Juvéderm, Haute Look (a Nordstrom company), an American lawyer (re: vaginal mesh lawsuits), Chapstick, IAMS, John Frieda, David’s Bridal, Brookside chocolate, Downy, Joss & Main, Lancaster caramels, Carraba’s restaurant, DeVry University, Meta Health Bars, Jimmy Dean, Ricola, Discover credit card, Lays chips, Band-Aid, Jenny Craig, Skinny Cow, Listerine, KFC, Zzzquil, Rolo, Pizza Hut, Hershey’s, Light & Fit protein shakes, Liberty Mutual, Birch Box beauty products, Quaker Oats, and illuMask light therapy mask.

65 psddluva4evah  May 21, 2015 6:24:55pm

The “friendly cop” is now serving time for child porn charges.

66 Charles Johnson  May 21, 2015 6:25:57pm
67 Targetpractice  May 21, 2015 6:26:13pm

re: #51 #FergusonFireside

They are freaking out about the $$$. They killed Honey Boo Boo. Must do the same.

Yeah, there’s gotta be some serious cases of heartburn going on right now. Killing one cash cow was bad, but two in less than a year? I can’t wait to see the mental gymnastics they engage in in some vain hope to keep the show on the air sans controversy.

68 thedopefishlives  May 21, 2015 6:27:00pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

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I haven’t watched anything on TLC in years. The closest I come is the Discovery Channel, which carries Mythbusters. I don’t even look at TLC programming on the guide anymore.

69 Targetpractice  May 21, 2015 6:27:24pm

re: #63 Kragar

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And they wonder why the number of people identifying themselves as Christians has nosedived in this country.

70 #FergusonFireside  May 21, 2015 6:28:25pm

re: #62 lawhawk

So, has TLC decided to close up shop on the endless parade of lifeless packaging that they claim to be reality tv, re: #67 Targetpractice

Yeah, there’s gotta be some serious cases of heartburn going on right now. Killing one cash cow was bad, but two in less than a year? I can’t wait to see the mental gymnastics they engage in in some vain hope to keep the show on the air sans controversy.

I believe this IS reality TV.

71 #FergusonFireside  May 21, 2015 6:28:52pm

fucked up my quote. don’t care.

72 [deleted]  May 21, 2015 6:28:58pm
73 lawhawk  May 21, 2015 6:29:13pm

Everything about this case is going to get worse the deeper people dig. This isn’t going to end well, and I feel for the young girls who had to suffer from all of this abuse and likely told by their family that this was acceptable or appropriate behavior. Their parents abandoned them to a sexual predator who was their own brother. Their parents shielded their son over doing what was right.

And then spent how many months and years proclaiming that they were good, righteous, and godly for all of their actions? This isn’t just hypocrisy on parade, but a total abdication of responsibility and showing the rank misogyny at play within the Duggars and their backers.

74 psddluva4evah  May 21, 2015 6:29:31pm

re: #64 Dr. Matt

Is there a link to this list? I’d like to post it elsewhere.

75 Dr. Matt  May 21, 2015 6:32:33pm

re: #74 psddluva4evah

Is there a link to this list? I’d like to post it elsewhere.

No. I collated it from some posts on social media.

76 #FergusonFireside  May 21, 2015 6:33:33pm

bbl

77 Dr. Matt  May 21, 2015 6:33:36pm
78 Bubblehead II  May 21, 2015 6:35:39pm

…

79 Dr. Matt  May 21, 2015 6:36:05pm
80 Lidane  May 21, 2015 6:36:42pm

This is what happens when you raise your kids in a fanatical religious environment where they’re not even allowed to hold hands before they’re engaged or kiss anyone before they get married.

No wonder this kid ended up molesting his own sisters. He was completely twisted from the get go in the freak belief system his parents foisted on him.

The Duggar kids are not allowed to hold hands with the opposite sex until they are engaged. They can’t give someone a frontal hug until they are married. They can’t kiss until they are married. They have to have chaperones the entire time they’re courting, have to carbon copy their parents all of their text messages until they are engaged, etc.

NO ONE grows up in that kind of severely repressed environment and comes out normal. Their parents foisted beliefs on them that denied even the most basic human affection and basic human contact to these kids before marriage. They’ve been brainwashed since birth in some freak religious movement where their only purpose in life is to breed as much as possible for Jesus. It’s insane when you think about it.

I have nothing against being religious, but when even the most innocent touch is forbidden, is anyone surprised that something like this would happen?

81 Targetpractice  May 21, 2015 6:37:48pm

re: #73 lawhawk

Everything about this case is going to get worse the deeper people dig. This isn’t going to end well, and I feel for the young girls who had to suffer from all of this abuse and likely told by their family that this was acceptable or appropriate behavior. Their parents abandoned them to a sexual predator who was their own brother. Their parents shielded their son over doing what was right.

And then spent how many months and years proclaiming that they were good, righteous, and godly for all of their actions? This isn’t just hypocrisy on parade, but a total abdication of responsibility and showing the rank misogyny at play within the Duggars and their backers.

The usual refrain about “It’s not the crime, it’s the cover-up” sorta falls flat here, because both are equally appalling. When your first instinct in dealing with your son molesting any child, let alone your own daughters, is to act as if it’s a minor error in judgment, then you’ve lost any sense of what right and wrong is. Any other father would probably have seriously considered castrating their son after learning such, but I can’t help but figure the Duggar patriarch saw all this through the lens of his fucked-up religious beliefs and decided there must be some devilry at work.

82 Kragar  May 21, 2015 6:40:16pm

re: #80 Lidane

The Duggar women need a cult deprogrammer to talk to them.

83 Kragar  May 21, 2015 6:40:38pm
84 Jenner7  May 21, 2015 6:42:49pm

re: #83 Kragar

And I doubt his claim that he got help. The story doesn’t validate that claim.

85 thedopefishlives  May 21, 2015 6:44:45pm

re: #80 Lidane

This is something I’ve been harping on for a while. I’ve mentioned before that the fundamentalists I’m acquainted with often turn out to have the most surprising (and disturbing) fetishes; the prevalence of child porn among fundamentalists is no coincidence. Then, of course, in order to maintain the “holy and righteous” image, the coverups become incredibly convoluted as the participants strive to rationalize their lies. In my mind, the church is doing a piss-poor job with its “abstinence only” and “all things sexual are wrong until marriage” lines; while I may agree with the ideas in principle, there also needs to be education on proper sexual outlets and how to handle sexual urges, including seeking help for improper things like pedophilia. If the church is going to make it its business to meddle in bedroom affairs, they damn well better have more to offer than “DON’T DO IT.” I’ve said before, churches need to start offering sexual education for their youth groups and young adult groups.

86 psddluva4evah  May 21, 2015 6:44:46pm
87 lawhawk  May 21, 2015 6:45:12pm

Now they’re reeling? Not when the abuse occurred, not when the coverup occurred? No, they were reeling in the dollars as they had their show airing, they gained access to all manner of right wing politicians and religious leaders, and even the cops were looking the other way.

But they’re reeling.

88 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 21, 2015 6:45:24pm

Top Ten new species this year.

This one may be a new phylum.

89 allegro  May 21, 2015 6:45:25pm

re: #84 Jenner7

And I doubt his claim that he got help. The story doesn’t validate that claim.

Getting help to them apparently is praying a bunch and getting a stern talking to from a child pornography freak.

90 Kragar  May 21, 2015 6:46:03pm

I understand that a molestation in the family can be a sensitive issue. I hope the victims were cared for (Extremely doubtful given the family) and I hope Josh actually did receive treatment and counseling for what he did.

The fact that he and his family have gone forward from this, claiming that they are good Christians while claiming LGBT people are all sexual predators renders them lower than fucking pond scums and I hope it destroys them.

91 allegro  May 21, 2015 6:47:03pm

re: #88 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Top Ten new species this year.

This one may be a new phylum.

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A sea shroom

92 Charles Johnson  May 21, 2015 6:47:59pm
93 lawhawk  May 21, 2015 6:49:13pm
94 thedopefishlives  May 21, 2015 6:50:30pm

I’m just going to lay it all out on the line: I’m a Christian and I don’t want to be perceived as “holier than thou.” I’m a fucking sinner and I admit it. I don’t have a problem with that and neither should anyone else. To sit idly by for YEARS and to cover up shit like this is pointless, it is dangerous, it is disgusting and it is WRONG. Fess up, seek help, and people will respect you; cover up, hide, and people will despise you. Christians in general, and American Christians in particular, have a real problem with selective reading of the Bible; it says right in there to “confess your sins to each other and pray for each other.”

95 allegro  May 21, 2015 6:50:51pm

re: #93 lawhawk

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Watch me grieve… for his victims, direct and indirect.

96 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 21, 2015 6:51:08pm

re: #84 Jenner7

And I doubt his claim that he got help. The story doesn’t validate that claim.

The “treatment” he got was to get sent to spend some time with a family friend who was in the home remodeling business (per Wonkette). So that worked out…

97 William Lewis  May 21, 2015 6:52:10pm

re: #93 lawhawk

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They better bury him in an asbestos suit - he’s going to need it where he’s going…

98 psddluva4evah  May 21, 2015 6:53:10pm

re: #90 Kragar

What I read says he was confronted at 17? It was multiple girls. Some were his sisters, others were not. The number I’m hearing was 5 girls, don’t quote me on that.

Sorry, but the counseling he seems to have received was from church elders. “The church” doesn’t have a great record when it comes to reporting or handling sexual abuse of children.

Familial molestation is more common than people know, yes, but really hate the need to try to wrap in the same vein as say marital problems or couples counseling type issues. Child molestation should not just be treated as a let’s keep it in the family type counseling.

I know from personal family experience that keeping it within leads to terror for the victim.

99 CleverToad  May 21, 2015 6:54:47pm

re: #88 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Interesting! (and a nice break from the depressing/frustrating/appalling news, thank you)

100 Amory Blaine  May 21, 2015 6:55:01pm

GOP lawmakers vote to remove Scott Walker from jobs agency board

In an attempt to put more oversight on the state’s fledgling job-creation agency, Republican legislators voted to remove Gov. Scott Walker as chairman of the Wisconsin Economic Development Corp.

Walker and his fellow Republicans in the Legislature in 2011 dissolved the state Commerce Department and created the economic development corporation in an attempt to make a more nimble agency. But WEDC has been plagued by lax oversight, including the disclosure this week that in September 2011 it gave an unsecured $500,000 loan to Building Committee Inc. of Milwaukee.

The company’s owner, William Minahan, had been taken to court on Nov. 1, 2010 for $15,700 in delinquent taxes — the same day that Minahan gave Walker’s campaign a $10,000 donation, according to campaign finance records.

Walker’s flagship job laser, or something.

101 Charles Johnson  May 21, 2015 6:56:29pm
102 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 21, 2015 6:56:51pm

re: #100 Amory Blaine

GOP lawmakers vote to remove Scott Walker from jobs agency board

Walker’s flagship job laser, or something.

Job Sharks with frickin’ laser beams in their heads!

103 allegro  May 21, 2015 7:01:44pm

I’m not familiar with the Lena story but I do know she has not made a career out of demonizing others for their sexuality and actively fighting to deny them their human rights. Big difference there.

104 Amory Blaine  May 21, 2015 7:02:22pm

re: #100 Amory Blaine

If state lawmakers and then federal officials agree, the state could charge the lowest-income BadgerCare Plus recipients basic premiums as well as higher charges for undisclosed risky behaviors that might range from smoking to obesity.

The GOP-controlled finance committee began its work at 4 p.m., six hours late, and was debating into the night. It is planning to wrap up its work next week so the Legislature can vote on the budget in June, just as Walker prepares to launch a likely presidential bid.

105 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 21, 2015 7:02:40pm

re: #103 allegro

I’m not familiar with the Lena story but I do know she has not made a career out of demonizing others for their sexuality and actively fighting to deny them their human rights. Big difference there.

She had some excerpts in her autobiography that were …extremely questionable, at best, relating to her younger sister.

Agree with the rest of it.

106 psddluva4evah  May 21, 2015 7:04:14pm

re: #103 allegro

To be clear, there were those on the Left who called foul to the Lena D thing as well, but…those voices were shouted down by a number of others on the left. So it’s come back to bite em in the ass.

Having said that, this is a whole other situation and I say that as someone who is vocal about my distaste of Dunham

107 #FergusonFireside  May 21, 2015 7:09:16pm

A 17 year old male, feeling up his sisters when they slept is so vastly different than the sexual discovery done when you are 7-9 years of age.

108 #FergusonFireside  May 21, 2015 7:09:58pm

re: #107 #FergusonFireside

A 17 year old male, feeling up his sisters when they slept is so vastly different than the sexual discovery done when you are 7-9 years of age.

I’m not talking about Lena, I’m talking about what we all probably did.

109 allegro  May 21, 2015 7:10:31pm

Whoa! Go ROCKETS! They were 17 points down, now going into halftime with a tied score. I love these guys! Whee!

110 teleskiguy  May 21, 2015 7:11:53pm

re: #108 #FergusonFireside

I’m not talking about Lena, I’m talking about what we all probably did.

I showed my penis to girls on the playground when I was six years old. I got in a lot of trouble with the adults for that little stunt.

111 #FergusonFireside  May 21, 2015 7:12:11pm

Yes, this.

112 #FergusonFireside  May 21, 2015 7:13:13pm

re: #109 allegro

Whoa! Go ROCKETS! They were 17 points down, now going into halftime with a tied score. I love these guys! Whee!

How’s Corey Brewer (GATOR) doing?

113 Lord Of The Pies  May 21, 2015 7:13:54pm

The wingnut talking point is HURR HURR LOOK OVER THERE!!!! OBAMA!!!!1 BILL CLINTON PORN ISLAND!!!!!

114 Lord Of The Pies  May 21, 2015 7:14:18pm

Goodnight folks.

115 b_sharp  May 21, 2015 7:15:03pm

re: #110 teleskiguy

I showed my penis to girls on the playground when I was six years old. I got in a lot of trouble with the adults for that little stunt.

And you still have it?

116 teleskiguy  May 21, 2015 7:15:11pm

This whole sad Duggar episode is just one more instance of gross religious hypocrisy lade bare for all to see. And most evangelicals will not even bat an eye. I’m seeing it on Twitter, lots of Christians defending Josh Duggar.

Yuck.

117 teleskiguy  May 21, 2015 7:16:01pm

re: #115 b_sharp

And you still have it?

Do I ever! Gotta have a cock ‘n’ balls to ski some of the stuff I ski!

:-P

118 allegro  May 21, 2015 7:18:37pm

re: #112 #FergusonFireside

How’s Corey Brewer (GATOR) doing?

Too good, of course. I keep hoping he’ll get a cramp. LOL

119 teleskiguy  May 21, 2015 7:19:10pm
120 b_sharp  May 21, 2015 7:20:59pm

re: #117 teleskiguy

Do I ever! Gotta have a cock ‘n’ balls to ski some of the stuff I ski!

:-P

Had I done what you did, my mother would have docked me.

121 allegro  May 21, 2015 7:21:07pm

re: #118 allegro

Too good, of course. I keep hoping he’ll get a cramp. LOL

Oh wait… duh. I had a brain cramp. He’s our guy and yes, he’s awesome, having a terrific year.

122 teleskiguy  May 21, 2015 7:24:08pm

re: #120 b_sharp

Had I done what you did, my mother would have docked me.

Well, your mother didn’t dock you, ‘cause you are a nice Canuck, and I’m a hippy ski fanatic.

Yeah man!
123 Charles Johnson  May 21, 2015 7:25:18pm
124 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 21, 2015 7:26:21pm

re: #107 #FergusonFireside

A 17 year old male, feeling up his sisters when they slept is so vastly different than the sexual discovery done when you are 7-9 years of age.

In the interest of accuracy and not to excuse what he did at all:

He was 14 when he abused the girls.

He was 17 when the police got involved.

/my understanding of the situation.

125 lawhawk  May 21, 2015 7:27:19pm
126 #FergusonFireside  May 21, 2015 7:28:24pm

re: #118 allegro

Too good, of course. I keep hoping he’ll get a cramp. LOL

Wait, thought he played for the Rockets??

127 allegro  May 21, 2015 7:28:29pm

re: #124 klys (maker of Silmarils)

In the interest of accuracy and not to excuse what he did at all:

He was 14 when he abused the girls.

He was 17 when the police got involved.

/my understanding of the situation.

If it had stopped why would the police have become involved then?

128 #FergusonFireside  May 21, 2015 7:28:43pm

re: #121 allegro

Oh wait… duh. I had a brain cramp. He’s our guy and yes, he’s awesome, having a terrific year.

lol, me too, I had to re-verify.

129 teleskiguy  May 21, 2015 7:28:54pm

re: #124 klys (maker of Silmarils)

In the interest of accuracy and not to excuse what he did at all:

He was 14 when he abused the girls.

He was 17 when the police got involved.

/my understanding of the situation.

These are the facts as I see them, too. I think there’s more horrible chicanery with the whole Duggar family that hasn’t been brought to light.

130 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 21, 2015 7:29:44pm

re: #127 allegro

If it had stopped why would the police have become involved then?

Someone who knew what had happened had written a letter and stuck it in a book, which was loaned out to a church member.

When they were set to appear on Oprah in 2006, someone emailed a copy of this letter to the producers of Oprah, who called CPS and got them involved.

That is why the police finally found out. Because someone told the Oprah producers.

131 #FergusonFireside  May 21, 2015 7:30:04pm

re: #124 klys (maker of Silmarils)

In the interest of accuracy and not to excuse what he did at all:

He was 14 when he abused the girls.

He was 17 when the police got involved.

/my understanding of the situation.

Edit, read your comment.
I recall the Oprah involvement, didn’t hear about the letter in a book story.

132 Amory Blaine  May 21, 2015 7:30:21pm

GOP lawmakers poised to restore SeniorCare prescription cuts

This is how Walker governed while county executive. He would propose unrealistically low budgets and rely on the board to override his nonsense. Then he’d spend the next year spewing bullshit about big spending liberals and how he “holds the line”. Rinse and repeat every year.

133 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 21, 2015 7:31:04pm

re: #129 teleskiguy

These are the facts as I see them, too. I think there’s more horrible chicanery with the whole Duggar family that hasn’t been brought to light.

Quite possible. And it doesn’t excuse what the parents did at all.

It’s a royally fucked up situation and the people I feel for the most right now are the girls who are having to deal with all of this, even anonymously.

134 Drive By Commenter  May 21, 2015 7:31:17pm

Duggars. Yeah. Nothing could go wrong there. Not one thing. Nope.

135 allegro  May 21, 2015 7:32:05pm

re: #128 #FergusonFireside

lol, me too, I had to re-verify.

I read Corey and thought Curry. The latter has been pissing me off he’s so darn good.

136 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 21, 2015 7:32:52pm

re: #135 allegro

I read Corey and thought Curry. The latter has been pissing me off he’s so darn good.

CA would say sorry except they’re not.

I would like all this basketball shit to be over so I can stop having to pay attention to when these games are happening when deciding whether or not to go out.

137 #FergusonFireside  May 21, 2015 7:33:04pm

re: #135 allegro

I read Corey and thought Curry. The latter has been pissing me off he’s so darn good.

Think Gator and who the fuck knows.

138 Lidane  May 21, 2015 7:33:52pm
139 #FergusonFireside  May 21, 2015 7:35:46pm

re: #138 Lidane

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He had no worldly reason to be promoted to his position.

Who the fuck was he without the show and his freak father?

140 Kragar  May 21, 2015 7:35:47pm
141 Charles Johnson  May 21, 2015 7:38:35pm
142 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 21, 2015 7:42:05pm

These people really are diseased animals, aren’t they?

143 Targetpractice  May 21, 2015 7:42:09pm

That seems to be the talking point that’s popping up: “It’s in the past! He was 14! He’s a changed guy!”

This, of course, brought to you by the same people who love to remind you that the President smoked pot in college.

144 teleskiguy  May 21, 2015 7:44:23pm

AIEEE!

145 allegro  May 21, 2015 7:45:11pm

re: #141 Charles Johnson

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Josh Duggar is alive with a child molestation record who has made a career accusing innocent people of being dangers to children. Brown was a kid with no criminal record murdered by a cop for jaywalking. Yeah, just the same.

146 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 21, 2015 7:45:49pm

re: #143 Targetpractice

That seems to be the talking point that’s popping up: “It’s in the past! He was 14! He’s a changed guy!”

This, of course, brought to you by the same people who love to remind you that the President smoked pot in college.

The past never happened—except the part where the Democrats were pro-slavery 160 years ago. Then the past is the present, and nothing ever changes, and no takesy-backsies, times infinity.

147 Lidane  May 21, 2015 7:46:31pm
148 Dark_Falcon  May 21, 2015 7:47:17pm
149 Charles Johnson  May 21, 2015 7:47:21pm
150 #FergusonFireside  May 21, 2015 7:49:10pm

re: #144 teleskiguy

AIEEE!

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Like I said, how in the fuck did he get his haughty position to begin with?

151 psddluva4evah  May 21, 2015 7:50:31pm

re: #147 Lidane

yeah. no one paying attention to that detail. Instead they are comparing Duggar to children younger than 14 and “sexual discovery”.

Showing your whohaw to some random cousin once, is WAY different than TOUCHING AND FONDLING the genitalia of said cousin WHILE THEY WERE ASLEEP!

Also too, Josh was 14, the oldest…14 IS NOT 7. Can a 14 year old be accused of rape? Yes. Can a 14 year old be accused of murder? Yes. Yet this incident is being treated by some (and NOT JUST RWNJ defenders) as just “childhood sexual discovery”.

Ugh…

152 Charles Johnson  May 21, 2015 7:51:30pm
153 teleskiguy  May 21, 2015 7:52:58pm

He’s trying to cop a feel! Look!

Creep!

154 William Lewis  May 21, 2015 7:53:01pm

re: #148 Dark_Falcon

Hey, DF.
OT but you might get a kick out of this image…

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155 Targetpractice  May 21, 2015 7:53:41pm

re: #148 Dark_Falcon

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The last one sticks out like a sore thumb. Everybody involved in this shit, including the patriarch of the Duggar clan, acknowledges that what Josh did was wrong. But yet the wingnuts are out there, trying to treat it as “normal sexual discovery” and arguing that he didn’t know any better at 14.

156 psddluva4evah  May 21, 2015 7:54:42pm

And his apology…

157 Targetpractice  May 21, 2015 7:55:51pm

re: #156 psddluva4evah

And his apology…

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Ah, the “I’m the real victim here!” non-apology apology.

158 Dark_Falcon  May 21, 2015 7:56:37pm

re: #151 psddluva4evah

yeah. no one paying attention to that detail. Instead they are comparing Duggar to children younger than 14 and “sexual discovery”.

Showing your whohaw to some random cousin once, is WAY different than TOUCHING AND FONDLING the genitalia of said cousin WHILE THEY WERE ASLEEP!

Also too, Josh was 14, the oldest…14 IS NOT 7. Can a 14 year old be accused of rape? Yes. Can a 14 year old be accused of murder? Yes. Yet this incident is being treated by some (and NOT JUST RWNJ defenders) as just “childhood sexual discovery”.

Ugh…

And the really stupid thing is that by doing that they are going further than the Duggars themselves. For all his flaws, Jim Bob Duggar has enough sense to know that trying to simply excuse his son’s misdeeds is a stupid idea. But some of the Twitter haters are so hell-bent in their determination to find ‘the left’ wrong on everything that they’ll defend conduct that in utterly indefensible. I can’t say that they’re beclowning themselves, because the matter is just too serious for that.

159 #FergusonFireside  May 21, 2015 7:56:40pm

re: #156 psddluva4evah

And his apology…

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They’ll be married off and birthing soon. Nothing more for them.

160 Lidane  May 21, 2015 7:58:15pm

re: #158 Dark_Falcon

For all his flaws, Jim Bob Duggar has enough sense to know that trying to simply excuse his son’s misdeeds is a stupid idea.

Jim Bob did such a bang up job of not excusing his son’s behavior that he had a personal friend that’s a sheriff give Josh Duggar a stern talking to after Josh molested five children, including four of his own younger sisters.

Oh, and that sheriff is now serving a 56-year prison sentence for child porn.

161 #FergusonFireside  May 21, 2015 7:59:53pm

re: #160 Lidane

Jim Bob did such a bang up job of not excusing his son’s behavior that he had a personal friend that’s a sheriff give Josh Duggar a stern talking to after Josh molested five children, including four of his own younger sisters.

Oh, and that sheriff is now serving a 56-year prison sentence for child porn.

Their whole community is insular and cultish. Can’t expect them to react normally.

162 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  May 21, 2015 7:59:54pm

evening lizards. freaking out a bit, my old cat is not his usual self and is moving very slow/not walking far before laying down. Vet is closed so have to wait until morning to take him in.

163 TedStriker  May 21, 2015 8:00:38pm

re: #159 #FergusonFireside

They’ll be married off and birthing soon. Nothing more for them.

And expected to follow in the “family tradition” of poppin’ youngins out like livestock.

For a fucked up version of Jesus.

164 allegro  May 21, 2015 8:00:46pm

Another thing that makes this even more tragic for those girls is that as the oldest child he was made responsible for the younger ones, playing a surrogate parental role. Then molested them as they slept in their beds where, and with whom, they should have been the most safe.

This is a seriously fucked up family on so many levels.

165 Dark_Falcon  May 21, 2015 8:01:35pm

re: #160 Lidane

Jim Bob did such a bang up job of not excusing his son’s behavior that he had a personal friend that’s a sheriff give Josh Duggar a stern talking to after Josh molested five children, including four of his own younger sisters.

Oh, and that sheriff is now serving a 56-year prison sentence for child porn.

I was referring to his recent statements on the matter, not to his actions at the time. My apologies if I didn’t make that clear.

166 Charles Johnson  May 21, 2015 8:02:52pm

I totally called it. Chuck’s on a crazed rant about Lena Dunham. He’ll probably be going all night in this vein.

167 teleskiguy  May 21, 2015 8:02:54pm
168 Targetpractice  May 21, 2015 8:04:36pm

re: #166 Charles Johnson

I totally called it. Chuck’s on a crazed rant about Lena Dunham. He’ll probably be going all night in this vein.

A serial doxer getting worked up over Josh Duggar’s past getting dug up and made public.

I think we’ve reached a whole new level of chutzpah here.

169 teleskiguy  May 21, 2015 8:04:42pm

re: #166 Charles Johnson

I totally called it. Chuck’s on a crazed rant about Lena Dunham. He’ll probably be going all night in this vein.

I thought I’d get into the predicting game as well.

Kevin Williamson will make the Lena Dunham connection with Josh Duggar, and add to it a veneer of respectability and nuance.

*spit*

170 Charles Johnson  May 21, 2015 8:06:48pm
171 jaunte  May 21, 2015 8:08:07pm

Oh, well the sin isn’t mortal, so that’s ok then.////////////////////////////

172 stpaulbear  May 21, 2015 8:08:36pm

re: #167 teleskiguy

That’s kind of cool but it’s weird and pointless at the same time. Why didn’t they give it to the National Park System or some other favored agency. Giving it to the government like that means that it could just pay for a couple days of house and senate bickering.

173 Decatur Deb  May 21, 2015 8:09:39pm

re: #93 lawhawk

The man who perfected online stalking of abortion providers just died.

He’ll be missed.

174 jaunte  May 21, 2015 8:10:30pm

re: #170 Charles Johnson

Speaking of which:

Quiverfull: Inside the Christian Patriarchy Movement

“…Members of the movement use militaristic metaphors and see themselves waging a war to win back the culture and rescue American society.”

amazon.com

175 Dark_Falcon  May 21, 2015 8:12:17pm

re: #168 Targetpractice

A serial doxer getting worked up over Josh Duggar’s past getting dug up and made public.

I think we’ve reached a whole new level of chutzpah here.

No, this is just par for the course for him. I don’t expect UpChuck to actually be stupid enough to attack josh Duggar’s victims (though he might do that, since there’s no low he won’t stoop to), so instead of that he goes after Lena Dunham. Attacking a successful woman whom he disagrees with typical behavior from Chuckles and not at all surprising to me.

176 Blind Frog Belly White  May 21, 2015 8:12:36pm

re: #171 jaunte

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Oh, well the sin isn’t mortal, so that’s ok then.////////////////////////////

Uh, the Duggars aren’t Catholic, so there’s no confessional. There’s also no distinction in their religion, AFAIK, between venial and mortal sin. Moreover, the ‘sanctity of the confessional’ has never applied to law enforcement.

So, basically the author of that tweet is throwing out a lot of chaff.

177 psddluva4evah  May 21, 2015 8:13:14pm

BTW in 2002 when Duggar was 14, the age of his sisters ranged from 4-12. Police report was 2006, when he was 17, but it abuse was when he was 14. said 5 girls, few of which were his sisters.

I mean what age does the defense? Does it depend on the age of the victims?

I’d love them to defend the “sexual discovery” defense knowing the posible age of the sisters.

178 The Mountain That Blogs  May 21, 2015 8:15:56pm

re: #176 Blind Frog Belly White

Read the rest of his timeline. That guy is in no way defending Duggar.

179 teleskiguy  May 21, 2015 8:16:55pm

For good information’s sake here goes:

Josh Duggar talked to police when he was 17 about molesting five different girls (some his sisters, all younger than Josh) when he was 14. The reports say some of the violations were felonies. Charges were never filed. The statute of limitations in Arkansas for those crimes when Josh was 14 is three years (which has been extended as I write this, not sure how long it is now, though longer than three years) so no criminal case will be pursued with the allegations we’re all talking about tonight.

180 Charles Johnson  May 21, 2015 8:17:52pm
181 Blind Frog Belly White  May 21, 2015 8:18:25pm

re: #178 The Mountain That Blogs

Read the rest of his timeline. That guy is in no way defending Duggar.

I’ll take your word for it. Regardless, it’s irrelevant bullshit.

182 psddluva4evah  May 21, 2015 8:18:26pm

re: #179 teleskiguy

yep. that’s what I understand it. FELONIES, so not just flashing his junk then.

And the sisters at the time he was 14 were aged 4-12. So again I ask is their an age of the victims that the “sexual discovery” defenders WON’T defend?

183 jaunte  May 21, 2015 8:20:01pm

re: #181 Blind Frog Belly White

It appears he was explaining the loophole without supporting it.

184 #FergusonFireside  May 21, 2015 8:20:47pm
185 jaunte  May 21, 2015 8:22:11pm
186 Blind Frog Belly White  May 21, 2015 8:24:54pm

There: #183 jaunte

It appears he was explaining the loophole without supporting it.

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Well, then, I take it back.

187 jaunte  May 21, 2015 8:25:58pm

re: #186 Blind Frog Belly White

I thought he was defending it, too.

188 Blind Frog Belly White  May 21, 2015 8:26:37pm

re: #187 jaunte

I thought he was defending it, too.

That’s the problem with Twitter. EVERYTHING is out of context.

189 William Lewis  May 21, 2015 8:27:58pm

Off to the motel for the night. I’ll check in later.

190 Targetpractice  May 21, 2015 8:29:17pm

re: #188 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s the problem with Twitter. EVERYTHING is out of context.

That’s the problem with the internet entirely. As social creatures, we look for cues in everything from the tone of one’s voice to body language to facial expressions to understand whether a person is actually preaching something they believe or just explaining some very screwed up shit. The Internet already robs us of most of that, and then Twitter piles on with limiting the size of an individual tweet, leaving us trying to figure out if a person is really preaching or just explaining.

191 Higgs Boson's Mate  May 21, 2015 8:30:33pm

Anyone else old enough to remember when conservatives were outraged at “moral relativism”? Now their game is to find someone on the opposite side who did something vaguely similar and use that to avoid condemning their own.

192 Targetpractice  May 21, 2015 8:32:26pm

re: #191 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Anyone else old enough to remember when conservatives were outraged at “moral relativism”? Now their game is to find someone on the opposite side who did something vaguely similar and use that to avoid condemning their own.

I still remember when they were big on “personal responsibility,” whereas now they seem to be all about finding a way to blame others for their actions or excuse them as being totally out of their control.

193 Blind Frog Belly White  May 21, 2015 8:34:33pm

Honestly, I don’t blame the father for covering it up. That’s what parents do - you don’t see your own children as criminals or perverts, and you don’t want a ‘youthful indiscretion’ to label them as a Sexual Predator for the rest of their lives.

HOWEVER, the ‘stern talking to’ by the sheriff over what were apparently felonies, because the family are ‘Good Christians and upstanding members of the community’ is the very soul of White Privilege.

AND I blame the father for raising his children in such a fucked up, depraved, repressive environment. They work very hard to make their kids into fucked up, repressed, sex-obsessed, twisted freaks. AND I blame him for being so fucking irresponsible that he placed a puberty-addled child in a position of authority over women he was told should be submissive.

194 Blind Frog Belly White  May 21, 2015 8:37:19pm

re: #192 Targetpractice

I still remember when they were big on “personal responsibility,” whereas now they seem to be all about finding a way to blame others for their actions or excuse them as being totally out of their control.

While Conservatives do have principles, they are fooling themselves about what they are. Most of them are various excuses for maintaining the privileges of the privileged.

That and hating Liberals.

195 Charles Johnson  May 21, 2015 8:39:44pm
196 #FergusonFireside  May 21, 2015 8:40:10pm

I am so into self flagellation. The dinner I ate 2 hours ago is finally digesting.

I had salad today so I was all like whoo hoo, let’s mange! When will I ever learn/care?

197 Charles Johnson  May 21, 2015 8:40:39pm

Why is John Fugelsang texting to this psycho??!

199 teleskiguy  May 21, 2015 8:43:42pm

re: #195 Charles Johnson

AWWWWW…….

200 allegro  May 21, 2015 8:45:30pm

re: #197 Charles Johnson

Why is John Fugelsang texting to this psycho??!

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Wow, he really is quite the little panty and peck sniffer isn’t he.

202 goddamnedfrank  May 21, 2015 8:47:02pm
203 #FergusonFireside  May 21, 2015 8:47:28pm

Chuckie wants so hard to be Breitbart v. Anthony Weiner.

It’s his goal. He’s as we know a sociopath, so he will not stop.

204 teleskiguy  May 21, 2015 8:49:55pm
205 Varek Raith  May 21, 2015 8:51:32pm

FFS, twitter.
They cleary don’t give a shit about sociopaths using their service to dox and stalk people.
I’m done with them.

206 teleskiguy  May 21, 2015 8:53:19pm

re: #197 Charles Johnson

I love it how UpChuck just goes right out there and says he has everything he needs to destroy John Fugelsang (a comedian? right?), like he’s been working on it for a long time and he has all the dirt.

Wanker.

207 teleskiguy  May 21, 2015 8:53:55pm

re: #205 Varek Raith

FFS, twitter.
They cleary don’t give a shit about sociopaths using their service to dox and stalk people.
I’m done with them.

You never said hi to me!

208 Charles Johnson  May 21, 2015 8:55:01pm
209 teleskiguy  May 21, 2015 8:58:37pm

re: #205 Varek Raith

FFS, twitter.
They cleary don’t give a shit about sociopaths using their service to dox and stalk people.
I’m done with them.

Your Twitter experience is entirely up to you. Just ask klys.

It’s all about curating your feed properly and controlling your shit when you see stupid shit.

Yeah, that’s crude advice. But as you’ve discovered Varek Raith, Twitter is a crude place.

210 teleskiguy  May 21, 2015 8:59:53pm

O_o

211 #FergusonFireside  May 21, 2015 9:06:54pm

re: #206 teleskiguy

I love it how UpChuck just goes right out there and says he has everything he needs to destroy John Fugelsang (a comedian? right?), like he’s been working on it for a long time and he has all the dirt.

Wanker.

He’s waiting for the extortion oppty.

212 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 21, 2015 9:10:39pm

re: #190 Targetpractice

That’s the problem with the internet entirely. As social creatures, we look for cues in everything from the tone of one’s voice to body language to facial expressions to understand whether a person is actually preaching something they believe or just explaining some very screwed up shit. The Internet already robs us of most of that, and then Twitter piles on with limiting the size of an individual tweet, leaving us trying to figure out if a person is really preaching or just explaining.

This would be why I am the world’s biggest fan of sarc tags, and wish they would expand beyond LGF.

I know some folks (even here) think they serve no purpose but seriously. They do.

213 RealityBasedSteve  May 21, 2015 9:11:50pm

Dive Club meeting tonight, and it was a cookout for Memorial day. Brats, burgers, somebody did a smoked pork shoulder pulled pork, a pot of beef tips braised in BBQ sauce, and one lonely plate of raw veggies and dip sitting all alone on the corner of the table.

Good food, good times, lots of laughs.

RBS

214 goddamnedfrank  May 21, 2015 9:12:41pm
215 teleskiguy  May 21, 2015 9:13:29pm

re: #212 klys (maker of Silmarils)

This would be why I am the world’s biggest fan of sarc tags, and wish they would expand beyond LGF.

I know some folks (even here) think they serve no purpose but seriously. They do.

So much YES!

Well, I’ll give it the ol’ college try!

216 Kragar  May 21, 2015 9:16:23pm
217 teleskiguy  May 21, 2015 9:17:24pm

re: #215 teleskiguy

218 #FergusonFireside  May 21, 2015 9:18:58pm

I never use the sarc tag, cause it’s up to you.

219 teleskiguy  May 21, 2015 9:25:19pm

re: #218 #FergusonFireside

I never use the sarc tag, cause it’s up to you.

Sarcasm is all about how well you know your audience. That’s what’s so fucking cool about sarcasm, you know who gets it and who doesn’t right away.

Well, who you want as an audience can get quite blurred. You say a lot of things, next thing you know some people are saying “Yeah, man!” and some people are calling you an asshole. I’ve seen it in my own interactions, in every town I’ve lived in. There’s been a number of moments where I was being sarcastic around friends and someone comes up to me and says “Are you serious? What the FUCK, yo?” Maybe I took it too far, maybe not, but I’m still in the position to have to explain what I said, always uncomfortable.

So I use sarc tags every now and again here at LGF, ‘cause I don’t know, man.

220 teleskiguy  May 21, 2015 9:27:08pm

FTR, goddamnedfrank thinks sarc tags are for lepers.

221 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 21, 2015 9:28:55pm

re: #219 teleskiguy

Sarcasm is all about how well you know your audience. That’s what’s so fucking cool about sarcasm, you know who gets it and who doesn’t right away.

Well, who you want as an audience can get quite blurred. You say a lot of things, next thing you know some people are saying “Yeah, man!” and some people are calling you an asshole. I’ve seen it in my own interactions, in every town I’ve lived in. There’s been a number of moments where I was being sarcastic around friends and someone comes up to me and says “Are you serious? What the FUCK, yo?” Maybe I took it too far, maybe not, but I’m still in the position to have to explain what I said, always uncomfortable.

So I use sarc tags every now and again here at LGF, ‘cause I don’t know, man.

See, that’s the thing.

When you’re with a group of people you know, and you say something, there’s no need for sarc tags. They know you. They know what you mean. It’s all cool.

But in most cases, the Internet is an inherently public place. And so you don’t get to control your audience, and you don’t get to set it to be “only people who know you well enough to get your sarcasm.” So there is a benefit to avoiding misunderstandings and not being dogpiled on because someone didn’t get the joke, whether it is Twitter or your grandmother on Facebook.

(Seriously, Grandma, I KNOW MY MOTHER DIDN’T KICK ME OUT, IT WAS A JOKE.)

222 Decatur Deb  May 21, 2015 9:36:07pm

…

223 Blind Frog Belly White  May 21, 2015 9:37:05pm

re: #221 klys (maker of Silmarils)

See, that’s the thing.

When you’re with a group of people you know, and you say something, there’s no need for sarc tags. They know you. They know what you mean. It’s all cool.

But in most cases, the Internet is an inherently public place. And so you don’t get to control your audience, and you don’t get to set it to be “only people who know you well enough to get your sarcasm.” So there is a benefit to avoiding misunderstandings and not being dogpiled on because someone didn’t get the joke, whether it is Twitter or your grandmother on Facebook.

(Seriously, Grandma, I KNOW MY MOTHER DIDN’T KICK ME OUT, IT WAS A JOKE.)

I’d suggest that it’s not ‘knowing your audience’, it’s your audience knowing YOU. (Sounds like Jacov Smirnov - “Een Soviet Russia, Audience know YOU!”)

I’ve been on here long enough that I feel confident that most everyone would know if I posted something sarcastically without sarc tags. Same with family on FB.


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