Chuck Johnson Threatens Everybody: “This Will Be the Summer of Justice!”

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BEWARE, journalists! Chuck is COMING FOR YOU!

When even Daily Caller hack Betsy Rothstein mocks you openly, as she does in this interview with Chuck “Babycakes” Johnson (she calls him “Gingerhead” throughout), you know you’ve got no friends left even on the loony right: BEWARE! Charles Johnson Is on the Warpath | the Daily Caller.

He’s on the WARPATH and it’s hysterically funny!

THRILL as Chuck says he’d have huge scoops to break on the Hastert case, if only he weren’t being CENSORED!

Gingerhead: I would love to tell the world what I know about Hastert corruption but I am being censored so there’s really no point.

GUFFAW as Chuck says people are complaining that Twitter is BORING without him!

Gingerhead: People are already calling me and emailing me telling me that Twitter is a newly boring place now that I am gone.

GIGGLE as Chuck threatens to GO TO WAR with Twitter unless they restore his account!

Gingerhead: No, I want my Twitter account back because I did nothing wrong. And even fucking Slate realizes it. They’ll give me back my account or we will go to war. I didn’t pick this fight.

And last but not least, GASP in trepidation and foreboding as Chuck promises he’s “COMING FOR” everybody who criticized him!

Gingerhead: I’m coming for every single journalist that lied about me. This summer will go down as the summer of justice.

And then the EXCITING CONCLUSION…

Gingerhead: And now I have to clean.

Oops! Did someone have a floor-pooping incident again?

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497 comments
1 thedopefishlives  May 29, 2015 5:09:44pm
Oops! Did someone have a floor-pooping incident again?

Careful there, Charles. He’ll threaten to sue you again.

2 Justanotherhuman  May 29, 2015 5:10:11pm
Guess Who?
3 goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2015 5:11:17pm

Heh, I suspected the 1022 in his chuckwalla1022 email address was a Ruger reference.

4 Jay in Oregon  May 29, 2015 5:11:21pm

“This Will Be the Summer of Justice!”

Man, Warner Bros has got to fire whoever is in charge of its viral marketing for Superman vs. Batman.

5 jaunte  May 29, 2015 5:11:35pm
Gingerhead: No, I want my Twitter account back because I did nothing wrong. And even fucking Slate realizes it. They’ll give me back my account or we will go to war. I didn’t pick this fight.

The Mirror: Yeah, I know. It’s ridiculous. The free speech aspect is a big deal.

Yet another one that doesn’t understand the First Amendment.

6 Justanotherhuman  May 29, 2015 5:11:50pm

You can watch the rest of the immature brats who seemed to have arrived mostly in cars and trucks, not on motorcycles, here:

nbcnews.com

7 #FergusonFireside  May 29, 2015 5:12:35pm

Remind me of the stages of grief. Is he anger or denial?

8 scottslemmons  May 29, 2015 5:12:39pm

And then he had one final attack of decency, vanished into the ether, and was never heard from again.

Aww, my happy dreams never turn out to be real. :(

9 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 29, 2015 5:13:16pm

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

10 Lord Of The Pies  May 29, 2015 5:13:31pm

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11 thedopefishlives  May 29, 2015 5:13:35pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

Surprised he hasn’t started a GoFundMe to bribe Twitter to get his account back.

12 goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2015 5:13:44pm

Also, this is getting really sad. I feel like we’re now in the final act of a really awful movie.

13 Lord Of The Pies  May 29, 2015 5:15:36pm

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14 Egregious Philbin  May 29, 2015 5:15:45pm

This will be the summer that the angry little ginger poops on the floor again!

15 #FergusonFireside  May 29, 2015 5:16:07pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

GDFrank. ever since you mentioned his aperture logo being off…all I see. Ty.

16 Lord Of The Pies  May 29, 2015 5:16:58pm

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17 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2015 5:17:06pm

re: #11 thedopefishlives

Surprised he hasn’t started a GoFundMe to bribe Twitter to get his account back.

He’s angry at GoFundMe too.

18 thecommodore  May 29, 2015 5:17:29pm

One day this terrible little man will simply go away.

And that will be the day Obama confesses to releasing a forged birth certificate.

19 rtth  May 29, 2015 5:17:37pm

I love how nobody ever characterized message boards on the Internet banning abusive users as a free speech issue until just now.

If Twitter is the Gestapo for banning Johnson, then all moderated message boards are the Gestapo.

20 jaunte  May 29, 2015 5:18:10pm

re: #15 #FergusonFireside

GDFrank. ever since you mentioned his aperture logo being off…all I see. Ty.

Possibly a sphincter.

21 TedStriker  May 29, 2015 5:18:15pm

re: #3 goddamnedfrank

Heh, I suspected the 1022 in his chuckwalla1022 email address was a Ruger reference.

Looking at that pic above of him at a range, it looks like he’s shooting a youth model; the gun looks small to me.

22 bratwurst  May 29, 2015 5:19:48pm

Chuck’s tantrum about withholding information on Hastert due to the way he has been treated reminds me of a former poster here who remarked he had lost all motivation to help expose tea partiers due to the negative reaction he received to his strident views on Occupy Wall Street.

23 thecommodore  May 29, 2015 5:20:03pm

Meanwhile Phyllis Schlafly remains certifiably insane:

Phyllis Schlafly: Today’s Immigrants Are ‘Not The Same Sort’ As Europeans ‘Who Contributed So Much’

24 De Kolta Chair  May 29, 2015 5:20:40pm

Somebody’s gotta stand up for the poor miserable bastards.

25 thedopefishlives  May 29, 2015 5:20:43pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

He’s angry at GoFundMe too.

Is this because he can’t post GoFundMe requests for people to murder other people anymore?

26 Higgs Boson's Mate  May 29, 2015 5:22:50pm

No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!

27 Eclectic Cyborg  May 29, 2015 5:23:04pm

re: #25 thedopefishlives

Is this because he can’t post GoFundMe requests for people to murder other people anymore?

That would be my guess. Also I think they yanked one of his fundraisers not too long ago.

28 Lord Of The Pies  May 29, 2015 5:24:53pm

Must sign off now to eat pie.

29 Justanotherhuman  May 29, 2015 5:25:32pm

It appears he might try to invoke “journalistic privileges” under the First Amendment over at the Change petition site. He’s hoping that flies with Twitter w/100 signatures. He has 40 now and they’re all idiots.

Heh.

30 thedopefishlives  May 29, 2015 5:26:16pm

re: #29 Justanotherhuman

It appears he might try to invoke “journalistic privileges” under the First Amendment over at the Change petition site. He’s hoping that flies with Twitter w/100 signatures. He has 40 now and they’re all idiots.

Heh.

Journalistic privilege does not guarantee you the right to an account at Twitter. I don’t care how many times he cries First Amendment tears.

31 darthstar  May 29, 2015 5:27:24pm

Who taught Chuck how to hold a rifle? Never mind that he’s always right handed in his other pics. Honestly, I think that .22 is too much gun for him. Best give him a Daisy BB gun.

32 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2015 5:28:45pm

re: #29 Justanotherhuman

Linky?

33 De Kolta Chair  May 29, 2015 5:29:00pm
34 Gus  May 29, 2015 5:30:56pm
35 Justanotherhuman  May 29, 2015 5:31:08pm

re: #30 thedopefishlives

Journalistic privilege does not guarantee you the right to an account at Twitter. I don’t care how many times he cries First Amendment tears.

He has no idea. Even if he was a real reporter and went off his nut to dox and threaten people, he would get kicked off. Not to mention get fired from his job.

But of course, we know Upchuck can’t get a real job like normal people because he’s a fucking socio—wait, he makes sociopaths look normal.

36 Justanotherhuman  May 29, 2015 5:31:57pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

Linky?

change.org

37 jaunte  May 29, 2015 5:32:33pm

re: #34 Gus

GLORK!

38 goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2015 5:32:39pm
39 prairiefire  May 29, 2015 5:32:49pm

re: #34 Gus

Hi, Gus, hope you are well!

40 PhillyPretzel  May 29, 2015 5:33:26pm

re: #38 goddamnedfrank

I like the pic. The tweeter bird has good aim. /half

41 Gus  May 29, 2015 5:33:26pm

re: #39 prairiefire

Hi, Gus, hope you are well!

Thanks. I’m OK. Hope things are well with you.

42 prairiefire  May 29, 2015 5:34:15pm

re: #41 Gus

Ok.

43 EPR-radar  May 29, 2015 5:34:55pm

It is a nonsense phrase, but “rage felcher” as a epithet for CCJ seems pretty good to me.

44 Dave In Austin  May 29, 2015 5:35:01pm

re: #38 goddamnedfrank

Not a good thing to see while eating chips and salsa……
Napkin Please!!

45 #FergusonFireside  May 29, 2015 5:35:47pm

re: #42 prairiefire

Ok.

I want more than ok my friend.

46 PhillyPretzel  May 29, 2015 5:35:57pm

re: #44 Dave In Austin

::: napkins :::

47 prairiefire  May 29, 2015 5:36:45pm

Hope lizards have a fun and “dry” Friday!

48 A Cranky One  May 29, 2015 5:38:02pm

I’ll bet that Upchuck is going through serious Twitter withdrawal. Given that we’ve seen him claim he wouldn’t be tweeting only to see him begin tweeting almost immediately, it was obviously a big part of his life. Since he also claimed to be some sort of Twitter master or god compared to the mere mortals, a good part of his identity may have been stripped away.

I worry that all the vitriol he normally spews will be bottled up and will come out at once. Hope no one helpless is around when that happens.

I think he’s still in the denial stage right now, stunned that Twitter would have the audacity to act against him, the super genius journalist. Assuming Twitter doesn’t reverse the ban, the anger stage won’t be pretty.

But it may be amusing, from a safe distance.

49 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2015 5:39:17pm

re: #34 Gus

You should do a new one with his horrible beard.

50 Justanotherhuman  May 29, 2015 5:39:33pm

This is far more productive than Upchuck who just destroys all good things.

51 Gus  May 29, 2015 5:39:39pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

You should do a new one with his horrible beard.

I’ll put that on my bucket list.

52 EPR-radar  May 29, 2015 5:40:16pm

re: #48 A Cranky One

I suppose it would be petty to hope for CCJ to get nontrivial psychosomatic symptoms from choking on all that bile. However, that would be very appropriate.

53 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 29, 2015 5:40:28pm

Shannon via the new @gotnewsresearch twitter account is now linking to GotNews.
That should get the account suspended.

54 Kryptik  May 29, 2015 5:42:03pm

re: #50 Justanotherhuman

Huh. I pass by that intersection to work nearly every day. Always kind of weird seeing pictures of specific locales like that you see regularly when it’s a picture from someone outside your social sphere.

55 Justanotherhuman  May 29, 2015 5:42:05pm

re: #53 Backwoods_Sleuth

Shannon via the new @gotnewsresearch twitter account is now linking to GotNews.
That should get the account suspended.

Going around one’s ass to get to one’s elbow can only result in abject failure.

56 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2015 5:42:31pm

re: #36 Justanotherhuman

change.org

Ah, OK - looks like that was started by somebody else, not Chuck himself. It has a grand total of 25 supporters right now.

57 nkdee  May 29, 2015 5:43:51pm

re: #6 Justanotherhuman

DOZENS showed up? Wow! Dozens.

58 goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2015 5:44:20pm

re: #53 Backwoods_Sleuth

Shannon via the new @gotnewsresearch twitter account is now linking to GotNews.
That should get the account suspended.

One would hope.

59 Justanotherhuman  May 29, 2015 5:44:57pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

Ah, OK - looks like that was started by somebody else, not Chuck himself. It has a grand total of 25 supporters right now.

You know he put the person up to it, or it’s just himself under a pseudonym.

I mean, really? change.org

60 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 29, 2015 5:45:00pm

I’m gonna get a head start on resting up for the weekend.

niterz, lizardz!

61 jaunte  May 29, 2015 5:45:03pm

Winning!

Redstate, July 19th, 2014.

62 b.d.  May 29, 2015 5:45:46pm

Ok, this post was a welcome sight after another beating of a week.

Maybe Chuck could team up with Brian Williams and form an outcast news outlet?

63 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2015 5:46:20pm
64 jaunte  May 29, 2015 5:47:34pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

Chance the Gardener doing a guest spot?

65 b.d.  May 29, 2015 5:47:57pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

Ah, OK - looks like that was started by somebody else, not Chuck himself. It has a grand total of 25 supporters right now.

It was probably that printer who he owes all of that poster money to who started the petition, I bet he figures that is his only prayer of getting paid

66 De Kolta Chair  May 29, 2015 5:48:24pm

This Bob Dylan cover by Yo La Tengo seems somewhat appropriate

…

67 thedopefishlives  May 29, 2015 5:49:19pm

Okay, TV has officially jumped the shark. I just saw an ad for a TV show about … making a reality TV show.

68 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2015 5:49:26pm

re: #61 jaunte

Winning!

Embedded Image

Redstate, July 19th, 2014.

Funniest thing about that quote is, the Mississippi senate race was when Chuck started to seriously lose whatever mojo he had.

69 EPR-radar  May 29, 2015 5:49:26pm

re: #5 jaunte

Yet another one that doesn’t understand the First Amendment.

I still can’t believe the moron quoted in an earlier LGF thread on this subject who apparently thought that Twitter being publicly traded made the first amendment relevant.

Just repeating that nonsense is a brain cell killer.

70 bratwurst  May 29, 2015 5:49:42pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

71 freetoken  May 29, 2015 5:49:49pm

I”m finding it hard to connect to some websites today. That last nytimes link being yet another example.

Cox is not so reliable when it comes to connections.

72 thedopefishlives  May 29, 2015 5:50:17pm

re: #69 EPR-radar

I still can’t believe the moron quoted in an earlier LGF thread on this subject who apparently thought that Twitter being publicly traded made the first amendment relevant.

Just repeating that nonsense is a brain cell killer.

Wut.

73 BlueSpotinAL  May 29, 2015 5:50:17pm

That shot pattern is terrible. Dude have some self respect!

74 EPR-radar  May 29, 2015 5:51:29pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

I find the observations of Driftglass on the subject of Mr. Brooks to be very useful. One might even say definitive. driftglass.blogspot.com

75 goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2015 5:52:25pm

re: #68 Charles Johnson

Funniest thing about that quote is, the Mississippi senate race was when Chuck started to seriously lose whatever mojo he had.

He still can’t travel to Mississippi for fear of being arrested on that Grand Jury subpoena he dodged, all because he didn’t want to testify under oath about paying Stevie Fielder to lie.

76 b.d.  May 29, 2015 5:55:02pm

re: #73 BlueSpotinAL

That shot pattern is terrible. Dude have some self respect!

And is that a .22? Even after a case of Red Bulls all your shots should be within 6” of each other with a .22.

77 Justanotherhuman  May 29, 2015 5:55:19pm

I’m still laughing…crowds? I’ve seen more people at the car wash.

78 b.d.  May 29, 2015 5:56:13pm

re: #75 goddamnedfrank

He still can’t travel to Mississippi for fear of being arrested on that Grand Jury subpoena he dodged, all because he didn’t want to testify under oath about paying Stevie Fielder to lie.

Shame Twitter’s HQ aren’t in Mississippi

79 thedopefishlives  May 29, 2015 5:56:16pm

re: #77 Justanotherhuman

I’m still laughing…crowds? I’ve seen more people at the car wash.

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Make it a topless car wash and you’ll definitely get more than that.

80 Gus  May 29, 2015 5:58:30pm
81 Egregious Philbin  May 29, 2015 5:58:33pm

Glad to see that there aren’t too many goobers out protesting, of course, it is 104 degrees out there. Maybe some of them will heat stroke out….

82 jaunte  May 29, 2015 5:59:54pm

I see Punisher Cosplay.

83 goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2015 6:00:18pm

re: #73 BlueSpotinAL

That shot pattern is terrible. Dude have some self respect!

Yeah, it really is. You should be able to create a single ragged hole with that many shots from a 1022 at indoor range distances, even using iron sights.

I bought a Takedown model a few years ago, upgraded to a Kidd two stage trigger, bolt charging handle, put on a wood stock and a Leupold 2.5 fixed scope. Like pretty much all my guns it almost never gets shot.

84 Justanotherhuman  May 29, 2015 6:00:44pm

re: #80 Gus

Oh, I see. The “big guns” haven’t arrived yet.

Blech.

85 b.d.  May 29, 2015 6:01:51pm

re: #80 Gus

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I’d like to see how much they love free speech if I sponsored a “draw Chris Kyle” or a “draw Ted Cruz” contest.

86 De Kolta Chair  May 29, 2015 6:02:05pm

re: #77 Justanotherhuman

I’m still laughing…crowds? I’ve seen more people at the car wash.

Hey-oh!

87 Belafon  May 29, 2015 6:02:37pm

re: #82 jaunte

The white hoods have gone digital in the same way Navy dungarees have. If they’re too cowardly to walk around without a mask, they shouldn’t be there.

For the record, I would have loved the new work uniform when I was in the Navy.

88 Gus  May 29, 2015 6:03:03pm

re: #85 b.d.

I’d like to see how much they love free speech if I sponsored a “draw Chris Kyle” or a “draw Ted Cruz” contest.

So true.

89 goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2015 6:05:17pm
90 Gus  May 29, 2015 6:06:09pm

Chemtrails! See nutter on right.

91 Decatur Deb  May 29, 2015 6:08:16pm

re: #90 Gus

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Chemtrails! See nutter on right.

Dr Who fan is at the wrong event.

92 freetoken  May 29, 2015 6:08:19pm

nbcnews.com

93 darthstar  May 29, 2015 6:08:24pm

re: #90 Gus

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Chemtrails! See nutter on right.

Nothing like posting a selfie at the bigot brigade on facebook.

94 Decatur Deb  May 29, 2015 6:09:12pm

re: #91 Decatur Deb

Dr Who fan is at the wrong event.

poisonskymovie.com

95 Gus  May 29, 2015 6:09:22pm
96 goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2015 6:10:06pm
97 Justanotherhuman  May 29, 2015 6:10:14pm

re: #95 Gus

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Damn straight!

98 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2015 6:10:44pm

How do you think right wing media would react if a group of Muslims showed up outside a church carrying weapons, holding a contest to draw insulting cartoons of Jesus?

99 b.d.  May 29, 2015 6:11:16pm

re: #90 Gus

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Chemtrails! See nutter on right.

I need that shirt! I also love how those patriots are showing their love of this country by wrapping a flag around their head to mop up their sweat. How classy and contemptuous of the flag code.

100 thedopefishlives  May 29, 2015 6:11:18pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

How do you think right wing media would react if a group of Muslims showed up outside a church carrying weapons, holding a contest to draw insulting cartoons of Jesus?

You could probably see the outrage from space.

101 Justanotherhuman  May 29, 2015 6:12:18pm

Are those vigilantes on the private property of the mosque?

Why don’t the cops throw them off?

102 jaunte  May 29, 2015 6:12:55pm

re: #90 Gus

The “No, You Really Aren’t Charlie” Rally.

103 Gus  May 29, 2015 6:13:13pm

re: #100 thedopefishlives

You could probably see the outrage from space.

The pale blue dot…

Oh, wait, what’s that thing there?

104 freetoken  May 29, 2015 6:13:36pm

Might stream a bit better for you:

…

105 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 6:13:42pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

How do you think right wing media would react if a group of Muslims showed up outside a church carrying weapons, holding a contest to draw insulting cartoons of Jesus?

I’m sure they’d be totally fine with it.//

106 thedopefishlives  May 29, 2015 6:14:01pm

re: #103 Gus

The pale blue dot…

Oh, wait, what’s that thing there?

We should’ve sent wingnut tears aboard the Voyagers. An offering of goodwill for any interstellar travelers.

107 Justanotherhuman  May 29, 2015 6:14:13pm

Some stupid woman with a Guy Fawkes mask on.

Duh.

108 jaunte  May 29, 2015 6:14:53pm

re: #106 thedopefishlives

We should’ve sent wingnut tears aboard the Voyagers. An offering of goodwill for any interstellar travelers.

Aliens: “This species is way too bitter.”

109 freetoken  May 29, 2015 6:15:27pm

The Fox10 talking head is clueless.

110 Decatur Deb  May 29, 2015 6:16:47pm

re: #99 b.d.

I need that shirt! .

$50 at the website in my #94. (It’s a Dr Who Movie shirt.)

((Actually, it’s not from that DW plotline.))

111 freetoken  May 29, 2015 6:17:40pm

The Fox10 talking head can’t seem to understand that the organizers are doing an anti-Islam gathering.

112 Justanotherhuman  May 29, 2015 6:18:29pm

Oh wait. There appears to be a counter demonstration.

Guy Fawkes woman has a sign saying. “Love All” on one side and “Respect all” on the other.

113 jaunte  May 29, 2015 6:18:52pm

re: #112 Justanotherhuman

114 b.d.  May 29, 2015 6:19:18pm

re: #110 Decatur Deb

$50 at the website in my #94. (It’s a Dr Who Movie shirt.)

$50 for a t-shirt. I’m too old.

115 BlueSpotinAL  May 29, 2015 6:20:07pm

re: #31 darthstar

Who taught Chuck how to hold a rifle? Never mind that he’s always right handed in his other pics. Honestly, I think that .22 is too much gun for him. Best give him a Daisy BB gun.

If Chuck is right handed, that picture is an epic fail.

116 Justanotherhuman  May 29, 2015 6:20:34pm

re: #113 jaunte

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I wondered why the crowd had gotten so large. : )

117 freetoken  May 29, 2015 6:22:41pm

re: #112 Justanotherhuman

Guy Fawkes woman has a sign saying. “Love All” on one side and “Respect all” on the other.

Just like Guy Fawkes did???

118 Tigger2  May 29, 2015 6:22:51pm

re: #104 freetoken

Might stream a bit better for you:

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Video

Bikers my ass, mostly all I see are a bunch of Rightwing bigots.

119 Decatur Deb  May 29, 2015 6:23:11pm

re: #117 freetoken

Just like Guy Fawkes did???

He was more of an IED guy.

120 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 6:23:25pm

Can I have a draw right wing assholes day armed people?//

121 jaunte  May 29, 2015 6:23:53pm
122 b.d.  May 29, 2015 6:23:55pm

re: #117 freetoken

Just like Guy Fawkes did???

Guy Fawkes was some kind of free love, tolerant hippie wasn’t he?

123 De Kolta Chair  May 29, 2015 6:25:13pm

re: #82 jaunte

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I see Punisher Cosplay.

124 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2015 6:25:43pm

I’m a bit stunned that Greenwald fan Marcy Wheeler retweeted this, without even including a gratuitous insult.

125 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 6:25:51pm

re: #121 jaunte

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When was the last time a Republican presidential hopeful called out anti-Muslim bigotry? I’m serious here. Even when McCain “called” out the woman who called out the woman who called Obama an Arab, he didn’t really call out her bigotry.

126 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 6:26:21pm

re: #122 b.d.

Guy Gawkes was some kind of free love, tolerant hippie wasn’t he?

Just like Che.

127 b.d.  May 29, 2015 6:27:13pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

I’m a bit stunned that Greenwald fan Marcy Wheeler retweeted this, without even including a gratuitous insult.

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Marcy was smart enough to run away as fast as she could from First Look

128 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2015 6:27:31pm
129 De Kolta Chair  May 29, 2015 6:28:15pm
Know Nothing Party flag.
130 Justanotherhuman  May 29, 2015 6:28:22pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

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“But I’m no bigot.” ///

131 b.d.  May 29, 2015 6:28:24pm

re: #126 HappyWarrior

Just like Che.

And the Spartans were all about freedom, right?

132 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 6:28:28pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

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That’s an SS symbol. Gee Pam nice friends ya got there but I know the Muslims and left are the real Nazis right?

133 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 6:28:47pm

re: #129 De Kolta Chair

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Not much has really changed just the subject of their hate.

134 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2015 6:28:48pm

In case you were wondering where New York Observer’s Ryan Holiday stands:

135 thedopefishlives  May 29, 2015 6:29:00pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

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The hair and beard is reminiscent of Ragnar Lothbrok from the Vikings series. Which really fits in perfectly with the whole “Aryan supremacy” thing, I suppose.

136 Decatur Deb  May 29, 2015 6:29:03pm

False Beard !!1

137 goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2015 6:29:30pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

I’m a bit stunned that Greenwald fan Marcy Wheeler retweeted this, without even including a gratuitous insult.

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I noticed yesterday that her brother threw some shade your way.

138 Gus  May 29, 2015 6:29:36pm
139 Justanotherhuman  May 29, 2015 6:29:41pm

re: #134 Charles Johnson

In case you were wondering where New York Observer’s Ryan Holiday stands:

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Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right…

140 freetoken  May 29, 2015 6:29:49pm

Fox10 talking heads are more than clueless. They just aren’t very good.

141 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 29, 2015 6:30:17pm

re: #95 Gus

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Only the 13 stripes represent the Constitutional states. The rest are 14th Amendment states and don’t count. Unless there’s fringe on the bottom, or something….

142 Eclectic Cyborg  May 29, 2015 6:30:54pm

This seems like little more than a gathering of attention whores.

143 Decatur Deb  May 29, 2015 6:31:28pm

re: #141 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

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Only the 13 stripes represent the Constitutional states. The rest are 14th Amendment states and don’t count. Unless there’s fringe on the bottom, or something….

I think you’re talking about the surrey from Oklahoma.

144 thedopefishlives  May 29, 2015 6:31:48pm

re: #132 HappyWarrior

That’s an SS symbol. Gee Pam nice friends ya got there but I know the Muslims and left are the real Nazis right?

How anyone can wear that out in public and not be ashamed is beyond me.

145 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2015 6:32:02pm

The white supremacist bikers in Phoenix are hoping to provoke a violent incident. Couldn’t be more obvious.

146 Justanotherhuman  May 29, 2015 6:32:11pm
147 De Kolta Chair  May 29, 2015 6:32:19pm

re: #134 Charles Johnson

In case you were wondering where New York Observer’s Ryan Holiday stands:

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During its first several years of publication, I read the Observer every week because reporter Joe Conason and film critic Andrew Sarris and a few other smart folks were on their staff, plus the crossword wasn’t bad. After about five years, the stench of the pro-business libertarian Manhattan Institute finally became unbearable.

148 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 6:33:00pm

adl.org
Per the ADL.

149 thedopefishlives  May 29, 2015 6:33:06pm

re: #145 Charles Johnson

The white supremacist bikers in Phoenix are hoping to provoke a violent incident. Couldn’t be more obvious.

In case there is any doubt about what Geller et al.’s strategy is, this, right here, is it. Piss people off, make them do something stupid, claim sympathy and then slam home your message.

150 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 6:33:56pm

re: #144 thedopefishlives

How anyone can wear that out in public and not be ashamed is beyond me.

I know right? Especially because I imagine he has an older relative that served in the armed forces during WWII. I feel the same way about the CSA flag honestly too.

151 thedopefishlives  May 29, 2015 6:35:56pm

re: #150 HappyWarrior

I know right? Especially because I imagine he has an older relative that served in the armed forces during WWII. I feel the same way about the CSA flag honestly too.

I’m right there with you. As I posted on Facebook for Memorial Day, my maternal grandfather served in the European Theater. I also have ancestors who served the Union during the Civil War. I don’t do well with neo-nazis or Confederate homeboys.

152 dholmes32  May 29, 2015 6:37:50pm

Channel 12 is on scene and there were two people going at it, yelling. Reporter said there looked like a shouting match between two gang dudes.

It’s 100 degrees outside.

Arizona: It’s a dry hate.

ETA: I live here (about 35 miles away). I’m mortified. :(

153 TedStriker  May 29, 2015 6:38:24pm

re: #152 dholmes32

Channel 12 is on scene and there were two people going at it, yelling. Reporter said there looked like a shouting match between two gang dudes.

It’s 100 degrees outside.

Arizona: It’s a dry hate.

I see what you did there…

154 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 6:38:25pm

re: #151 thedopefishlives

I’m right there with you. As I posted on Facebook for Memorial day, my maternal grandfather served in the European Theater. I also have ancestors who served the Union during the Civil War. I don’t do well with neo-nazis or Confederate homeboys.

Yeah I had a great great grandfather in the Army of the Potomac. I also have an Irish brigade tribute tattoo on my right arm. Neither of my grandfathers were in WWII- one too young and the other 4A too due to his back but plenty of uncles on both sides of the family that served honorably.

155 jaunte  May 29, 2015 6:39:32pm

re: #152 dholmes32

Arizona: It’s a dry hate.

It’s not the heat, it’s the stupidity.

156 Justanotherhuman  May 29, 2015 6:39:48pm

Later, Lizards!

Keep calm and hope those idiots in Phoenix do.

157 Archangelus  May 29, 2015 6:40:47pm

re: #134 Charles Johnson

You know, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a petition on change.org - or anywhere else really - with a goal as low as 100 signatures before.

It’s almost as if someone thought it might be hard to get supporters for some bizarre reason… //

158 thedopefishlives  May 29, 2015 6:41:29pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

Yeah I had a great great grandfather in the Army of the Potomac. I also have an Irish brigade tribute tattoo on my right arm. Neither of my grandfathers were in WWII- one too young and the other 4A too due to his back but plenty of uncles on both sides of the family that served honorably.

I’ve posted this picture before; my grandfather is the one on the left. He was a mechanic for the Army Air Corps, enlisting in 1942.

Bomber maintenance crew
159 goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2015 6:42:06pm

re: #134 Charles Johnson

In case you were wondering where New York Observer’s Ryan Holiday stands:

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Totally expected. Holiday’s entire career is about marketing to young white frat system assholes. Even if he didn’t agree he’d say he did just because that’s what passes for edgy “based” wisdom in his demographic.

160 freetoken  May 29, 2015 6:42:09pm

Fox10 talking heads are surprised there are white supremacists among bikers?

161 prairiefire  May 29, 2015 6:42:30pm

re: #158 thedopefishlives

A strapping gentleman!

162 De Kolta Chair  May 29, 2015 6:43:55pm

re: #158 thedopefishlives

That’s one helluva photograph. My dad, a career Air Force NCO, had a jacket like the one worn by the gentleman on the left. I loved that jacket. It was warm and snug on cold winter Arizona nights (believe it or not, they have been known to occur), and it looked really cool.

163 thedopefishlives  May 29, 2015 6:43:56pm

re: #161 prairiefire

A strapping gentleman!

He’s the one I get my height from; I tower over the rest of my family at a comfortable 6’ 2”. My mom idolizes him to this day, though he’s been gone for 25 years. I never got to know him.

164 Tigger2  May 29, 2015 6:44:14pm

re: #160 freetoken

Fox10 talking heads are surprised there are white supremacists among bikers?

LOL Fox is a joke.

165 #FergusonFireside  May 29, 2015 6:45:16pm

re: #113 jaunte

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YES

166 RealityBasedSteve  May 29, 2015 6:46:22pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

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Obviously a liebrul plant. ////

167 goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2015 6:47:08pm

Okay, that was funny.

168 The Ghost of a Flea  May 29, 2015 6:47:47pm

re: #160 freetoken

Fox10 talking heads are surprised there are white supremacists among bikers?

My biker gang is most about Rimbaud and pastries.

Then again, we mostly ride penny-farthings, though.

169 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 6:47:48pm

re: #158 thedopefishlives

I’ve posted this picture before; my grandfather is the one on the left. He was a mechanic for the Army Air Corps, enlisting in 1942.

Image: Bomber maintenance crew

Respect. This is my grandfather (on the left) with an Army buddy in Korea. I don’t know how he did it. He was 5 years younger than I am when he got drafted. I’m honored to be named after him for many reasons and this is one of them

170 RealityBasedSteve  May 29, 2015 6:48:23pm

re: #129 De Kolta Chair
No-Nothing Party Flag

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You know, if the Original Natives had been more careful regarding foreign influence…..

171 thedopefishlives  May 29, 2015 6:49:19pm

re: #169 HappyWarrior

I have an uncle who served in Vietnam. He and one of his sons also served honorably in the Indiana State Police. Patriotism runs deep in my family, as wingnut as they are, and I love them for it. You can always count on fishfolk to step up when America needs help.

172 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 29, 2015 6:50:59pm
173 Eric The Fruit Bat  May 29, 2015 6:51:26pm

re: #134 Charles Johnson

What a git. Supporting a person whose business model based on extortion. Now here have I seen this before?

174 Tigger2  May 29, 2015 6:51:55pm

I see this as another wingnut failure and hope that this is a sign or country is slowly changing for the good.

175 goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2015 6:53:10pm

Okay fuck it, these Fox10 commenter are the worst. One side is “young people, peace and love” i.e. hippies, the other are “veterans who fought for their country.”

Click.

176 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 6:54:04pm

re: #175 goddamnedfrank

Okay fuck it, these Fox10 commenter are the worst. One side is “young people, peace and love” i.e. hippies, the other are “veterans who fought for their country.”

Click.

In other words, more keyboard warriors that are still fighting the 60’s inside their heads.

177 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 29, 2015 6:54:04pm

re: #174 Tigger2

I see this as another wingnut failure and hope that this is a sign or country is slowly changing for the good.

They picked the wrong locale. It may be Arizona, but Phoenix is an actual city and full of them commie liebrul islamofascist moochers.

178 freetoken  May 29, 2015 6:54:05pm

re: #175 goddamnedfrank

One wonders if the Fox10 management knows how their talking heads sound like clueless novices.

179 BlueSpotinAL  May 29, 2015 6:54:10pm
rifle

This is from shooting outside with a slight breeze, five shots per target.

180 Decatur Deb  May 29, 2015 6:54:27pm

re: #168 The Ghost of a Flea

My biker gang is most about Rimbaud and pastries.

Then again, we mostly ride penny-farthings, though.

Moved up from boneshakers, did you?

181 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2015 6:54:45pm
182 prairiefire  May 29, 2015 6:56:56pm

re: #169 HappyWarrior

Very handsome. I admire the vitality of these young American men.

183 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2015 6:57:57pm
184 goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2015 6:59:16pm
185 EmmaAnne  May 29, 2015 6:59:23pm

re: #95 Gus

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“represents” misspelled though

186 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 6:59:40pm

re: #182 prairiefire

Very handsome. I admire the vitality of these young American men.

Thanks. He was an amazing man. My mom, grandmother, me, my middle brother, his wife, daughter, and I were at his grave site on Friday and we stopped by the house my mom grew up in. My brother and his wife struck up a conversation with a woman who was the sister of the current homeowner and she said the current owners bought the house because they were impressed with the brickwork- Grandpa was a brick mason for many years

187 The Ghost of a Flea  May 29, 2015 7:00:37pm

re: #180 Decatur Deb

Moved up from boneshakers, did you?

Actually, it was a lateral move from rickshaws.

188 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 7:00:37pm

re: #183 Charles Johnson

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Charles, I can read the White Boy part but what does it say above? That’s definitely an SS lightning bolt. I’ve watched enough documentaries about the Nazis and Neo-Nazis to know ti on site plus the guy really looks the part. Nevermind, it says “Support Your Blood.” Errr I suck it’s “Support Your Local White Boy” Thanks Dopefish.

189 thedopefishlives  May 29, 2015 7:01:17pm

re: #188 HappyWarrior

Charles, I can read the White Boy part but what does it say above? That’s definitely an SS lightning bolt. I’ve watched enough documentaries about the Nazis and Neo-Nazis to know ti on site plus the guy really looks the part.

“Support your local white boy.”

190 Tigger2  May 29, 2015 7:01:34pm

I wish the talking heads would quit calling them bikers because most of them aren’t bikers.

191 Gus  May 29, 2015 7:01:43pm

re: #185 EmmaAnne

“represents” misspelled though

Dang it.

192 goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2015 7:02:01pm

re: #188 HappyWarrior

Charles, I can read the White Boy part but what does it say above? That’s definitely an SS lightning bolt. I’ve watched enough documentaries about the Nazis and Neo-Nazis to know ti on site plus the guy really looks the part. Nevermind, it says “Support Your Blood.”

“Support your Local”

193 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 7:02:18pm

re: #189 thedopefishlives

“Support your local white boy.”

Man I need glasses. Read that as “Support Your Blood.”

194 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 7:02:31pm

re: #192 goddamnedfrank

“Support your Local”

Yep seeing that now.

195 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 7:02:44pm

Thanks guys.

196 Gus  May 29, 2015 7:03:07pm

re: #185 EmmaAnne

“represents” misspelled though

Mis-typed. ;)

197 thedopefishlives  May 29, 2015 7:03:22pm

re: #186 HappyWarrior

Thanks. He was an amazing man. My mom, grandmother, me, my middle brother, his wife, daughter, and I were at his grave site on Friday and we stopped by the house my mom grew up in. My brother and his wife struck up a conversation with a woman who was the sister of the current homeowner and she said the current owners bought the house because they were impressed with the brickwork- Grandpa was a brick mason for many years

Just think - for every Chuck C. Johnson douchecanoe out there, there are at least two other guys who are like our grandfathers - strong, self-confident, skilled men who loved America genuinely - none of this wishy-washy “only if a Republican is in power” bullshit.

198 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 7:03:25pm

re: #190 Tigger2

I wish the talking heads would quit calling them bikers because most of them aren’t.

They’re not allowed to say tiny dick Nazis wearing leather on the news I guess but I agree.

199 Gus  May 29, 2015 7:04:28pm

Fixed.

200 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 7:04:44pm

re: #197 thedopefishlives

Just think - for every Chuck C. Johnson douchecanoe out there, there are at least two other guys who are like our grandfathers - strong, self-confident, skilled men who loved America genuinely - none of this wishy-washy “only if a Republican is in power” bullshit.

Yep. I’ve been thinking about my ancestors a lot lately since I started our family tree. First veteran in the family was a Alsacian immigrant who ended up serving in the War of 1812. I had always suspected our first vet was an immigrant but did not know it went that far back.

201 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 7:05:14pm

re: #199 Gus

Fixed.

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Amen and when it says Congress should prohibit no religion it does not say “except Muslims.”

202 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2015 7:05:32pm
203 freetoken  May 29, 2015 7:06:43pm

The talking heads seem to fail to understand they don’t have to ramble on with their own opinions. They just need to speak what they see.

204 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 29, 2015 7:07:05pm

re: #197 thedopefishlives

Just think - for every Chuck C. Johnson douchecanoe out there, there are at least two other guys who are like our grandfathers - strong, self-confident, skilled men who loved America genuinely - none of this wishy-washy “only if a Republican is in power” bullshit.

My grandfather was Korean/Vietnam vet who loved America. Did 20 in the military and 20 in civil service.

He also loved Texas and voted pretty much straight Republican. Maybe it got more concentrated as he got older, but politics was something I didn’t talk with him about.

205 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 7:07:19pm

re: #202 Charles Johnson

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It’s not a strawman at all to point out that Anti-Islam “activists” are filled with white supremacist fuckwads.

206 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 29, 2015 7:07:51pm

re: #200 HappyWarrior

Haha, I don’t know if you saw the note but we found out the other week that mr. klys’s great-grandfather was a veteran of the War of 1812. Has the military tombstone and everything.

207 thedopefishlives  May 29, 2015 7:07:56pm

re: #200 HappyWarrior

Yep. I’ve been thinking about my ancestors a lot lately since I started our family tree. First veteran in the family was a Alsacian immigrant who ended up serving in the War of 1812. I had always suspected our first vet was an immigrant but did not know it went that far back.

I started our family tree last year after the matriarch of the fish family passed away. I did it to honor her, because she kept all of the family genealogy we had. I only regret that I didn’t start sooner so I could share the information with her. We had veterans in the Revolutionary and Civil Wars, besides my grandfather, a great-uncle who served in WWII, and the uncle I mentioned previously in ‘Nam. My family is an interesting dichotomy because fishfolk are all established colonials, whereas Mrs. Fish’s family came across in the 1860’s from Sweden and Denmark.

208 dholmes32  May 29, 2015 7:08:51pm

Ugh. Check out the stickers on the guy’s megaphone.

209 goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2015 7:09:23pm

re: #202 Charles Johnson

Fuck, he’s an asshole and an idiot. She was right, it was a textbook strawman. He substituted his own hyperbolic bullshit for her actual point and addressed that instead.

210 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 7:10:03pm

re: #206 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Haha, I don’t know if you saw the note but we found out the other week that mr. klys’s great-grandfather was a veteran of the War of 1812. Has the military tombstone and everything.

Nah I missed that. That’s really cool. I found a copy of a veterans pension that went to his widow. I love finding this stuff out.

211 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2015 7:10:14pm
212 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 7:10:54pm

re: #208 dholmes32

Ugh. Check out the stickers on the guy’s megaphone.

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Goes to show you their only problem with Islam is that it’s not Christianity.

213 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 29, 2015 7:11:25pm

re: #210 HappyWarrior

Nah I missed that. That’s really cool. I found a copy of a veterans pension that went to his widow. I love finding this stuff out.

Wait, I was off by a generation. His great-great grandfather.

To be fair, his great-grandfather was born in 1814.

The men on that side lived long and had children late.

214 jaunte  May 29, 2015 7:12:37pm

re: #208 dholmes32

“Evolution is Science Fiction”

They’re really ticking all the boxes.

215 De Kolta Chair  May 29, 2015 7:13:03pm

At the moment, Bruce Springsteen’s “New York Serenade City” is the greatest piece of music in the history of history.

Fish lady, fish lady, fish lady!

216 b.d.  May 29, 2015 7:13:21pm

re: #214 jaunte

“Evolution is Science Fiction”

They’re really ticking all the boxes.

Hive mind in action.

217 BeachDem  May 29, 2015 7:13:44pm

re: #61 jaunte

Winning!

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Redstate, July 19th, 2014.

Erick son of Erick doesn’t get out much. That’s a bastardization of a quote usually attributed to Gandhi and widely re-quoted everywhere, but according the the CSM,

there’s no evidence that the Great Soul ever said this.

We don’t know where this quote came from, but it is strikingly similar to something that the trade unionist Nicholas Klein gave in a 1918 address to the Amalgamated Clothing Workers of America in Baltimore:

“First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. And then they attack you and want to burn you. And then they build monuments to you. And that, is what is going to happen to the Amalgamated Clothing Workers of America.”

csmonitor.com

218 dholmes32  May 29, 2015 7:13:50pm

re: #212 HappyWarrior

Pretty much.

You know, I’ve picketed Scientology numerous times. But I was protesting the organization’s actions. I wasn’t trying to proselytise for another religion. I just wanted people to know that their bridge to total freedom (TM) would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. If people want to practice Scientology, that’s fine, but they ought to know what they’re getting into.

This protest is fundamentally different. The protesters hate Islam and Muslims with a white-hot hate. And they do want to convert people to their religion.

219 Tigger2  May 29, 2015 7:14:02pm

re: #198 HappyWarrior

They’re not allowed to say tiny dick Nazis wearing leather on the news I guess but I agree.

An old pic of me. lol. Wasn’t to long after I had my bypass had lost a lot of weight.

220 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2015 7:15:08pm

re: #209 goddamnedfrank

Fuck, he’s an asshole and an idiot. She was right, it was a textbook strawman. He substituted his own hyperbolic bullshit for her actual point and addressed that instead.

I was wondering how much of the Observer interview was just cluelessness and how much was sympathy for Chuck. Now I know.

221 jaunte  May 29, 2015 7:15:11pm

re: #217 BeachDem

And of course Chuck C. would let it be mistaken for his own thought.

222 De Kolta Chair  May 29, 2015 7:16:13pm

re: #219 Tigger2

An old pic of me. lol

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You wouldn’t happen to be from Western or Central Massachusetts, would you? I have scrapbooks full of family photos that photo would fit comfortably in. ;-)

223 darthstar  May 29, 2015 7:16:15pm

re: #219 Tigger2

An old pic of me. lol

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Aluminum folding ROCKERS…fancy.

224 Tigger2  May 29, 2015 7:17:24pm

re: #222 De Kolta Chair

You wouldn’t happen to be from Western or Central Massachusetts, would you? I have scrapbooks full of family photos that photo would fit comfortably in. ;-)

Indiana

225 goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2015 7:17:52pm
226 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2015 7:17:53pm
227 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 7:17:58pm

re: #213 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Wait, I was off by a generation. His great-great grandfather.

To be fair, his great-grandfather was born in 1814.

The men on that side lived long and had children late.

I actually come from a similiar type family only it was more a result of my ancestors being in the latter part of their family’s lineage. Both of my parents are the youngest. Two grandparents were the youngest too and my one grandfather was the second youngest and my one grandmother was the middle child of her father’s second marriage. I’ve looked at other people’s genealogies and have been amazed to see they had great grandparents alive or only recently deceased when they were born. My last great grandparent died 25 years before I was born. My parents have no memories at all of their grandparents..

228 prairiefire  May 29, 2015 7:18:16pm

My grandfather was a country club republican, but he kept his southern Missouri business associates from being reactionary in a negative way to the black community when MLK was assassinated. He argued through the night with these sba men to remain calm.

229 Dave In Austin  May 29, 2015 7:19:04pm

I think this takes things to a whole new level
Youtube Video

230 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 7:19:07pm

re: #219 Tigger2

An old pic of me. lol. Wasn’t to long after I had my bypass had lost a lot of weight.

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Ah cool. My uncle likes to bike.

231 Tigger2  May 29, 2015 7:19:28pm

re: #223 darthstar

Aluminum folding ROCKERS…fancy.

LOL, It was a Friends house our MC met there before we when on a run to a hog roast.

232 darthstar  May 29, 2015 7:19:40pm

I watched Blackhat this afternoon on PPV. Wasn’t bad. Giving it a second pass now since I have it paid for so I can pick it apart on technical grounds.

233 De Kolta Chair  May 29, 2015 7:19:53pm

If you haven’t heard Steve Earle & The Dukes’ latest, “Terraplane,” you really should.

…

234 thecommodore  May 29, 2015 7:19:54pm

I’m really starting to wonder if Chuck hasn’t had his tongue firmly implanted in cheek this whole time - especially since he started gotnews. And I also wonder if some Andy Kaufman type of stunt is coming down the pike, because he really seems to be enjoying all this.

235 b.d.  May 29, 2015 7:20:40pm

Was there actually a drawing contest or was that just cover for a moron gathering?

236 darthstar  May 29, 2015 7:20:47pm

re: #231 Tigger2

LOL, It was a Friends house our MC met there before we when on a run to a hog roast.

They don’t make those things anymore.

237 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2015 7:20:52pm

Wow. Holiday is a case study in clueless white privileged libertarian idiocy.

238 Eclectic Cyborg  May 29, 2015 7:21:02pm

re: #234 thecommodore

I’m really starting to wonder if Chuck hasn’t had his tongue firmly implanted in cheek this whole time - especially since he started gotnews. And I also wonder if some Andy Kaufman type of stunt is coming down the pike, because he really seems to be enjoying all this.

I’d say severe mental illness the more likely.

239 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 29, 2015 7:21:05pm

re: #227 HappyWarrior

His grandfather was born in 1860-something, I think.

Meanwhile I knew all 4 of my grandparents and 3 of my great-grandparents, but I’m the first born of two first born kids.

240 goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2015 7:21:21pm
241 Gus  May 29, 2015 7:21:31pm
242 whitebeach  May 29, 2015 7:22:44pm

re: #179 BlueSpotinAL

Decent precision but not such good accuracy. What was making you pull right?

OTOH, for those who don’t know, the black on those 50 ft targets is about the diameter of a half dollar and the center ring is roughly the same as that of a .22 bullet itself.

243 #FergusonFireside  May 29, 2015 7:23:38pm

re: #235 b.d.

Was there actually a drawing contest or was that just cover for a moron gathering?

Denny’s, ie, the tables, closed down.

So no.

244 Tigger2  May 29, 2015 7:23:59pm

re: #179 BlueSpotinAL

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This is from shooting outside with a slight breeze, five shots per target.

Nice grouping.

245 goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2015 7:24:04pm

I’m sure Holiday would be super diligent about confronting abject racist bullshit if those pesky rules of journalism didn’t hamstring him so unfairly.

246 #FergusonFireside  May 29, 2015 7:24:22pm

re: #241 Gus

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fucking bullshit.

247 jaunte  May 29, 2015 7:25:03pm

re: #245 goddamnedfrank

Stenography; it’s a demanding gig.

248 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 7:25:53pm

re: #239 klys (maker of Silmarils)

His grandfather was born in 1860-something, I think.

Meanwhile I knew all 4 of my grandparents and 3 of my great-grandparents, but I’m the first born of two first born kids.

Yeah that is late. I knew three of my four but as I said 0 of the great greats. I am always astonished to read about living great great grandparents given how far removed I am from their lives. Hell half of mine never stepped foot in the US and all I know is their names and nothing else. The others I know their names but not really a ton about them. Want to know something really amazing though? President Tyler who was president in the early 1840’s has two living grand sons. He had two marriages so it’s two of the sons of one of his sons that was born in his second marriage who like the President married again late in life. Just amazes me to think that there are people who had a grandparent born before the Constitution was ratified.

249 Gus  May 29, 2015 7:26:07pm
250 De Kolta Chair  May 29, 2015 7:26:33pm

re: #241 Gus

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Back in my day, by jiminy, the punk rockers from the Phoenix burbs would’ve taken this opportunity to sneak into the local police station parking lot and set the black & whites on fire. Seriously, when the Clash played Mesa in the early ’80s that’s exactly what happened. The conflagration could be seen for miles.

The concert was kick ass, btw.

251 Gus  May 29, 2015 7:26:34pm

Wonder what happened with the original inhabitants. :D

252 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 7:26:39pm

re: #233 De Kolta Chair

If you haven’t heard Steve Earle & The Dukes’ latest, “Terraplane,” you really should.

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Thanks. I like Steve. His son’s pretty talented too.

253 goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2015 7:26:57pm

Fucking done with his self justifying ass, but no. Just no. There’s no rule that you can’t followup on anything you want in an email interview.

254 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2015 7:27:09pm
255 The Ghost of a Flea  May 29, 2015 7:28:22pm

re: #249 Gus

With headline like that, it’s either an adorable kitten or a Gabon viper.

256 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2015 7:29:45pm

re: #253 goddamnedfrank

That’s my last tweet to him, too. It’s just infuriating when these privileged white fuckheads pretend they’re being highly principled people. Done.

257 Gus  May 29, 2015 7:30:34pm
258 Gus  May 29, 2015 7:32:05pm

Just another Klan rally.

259 DodgerFan1988  May 29, 2015 7:32:12pm

Oh dear lord…
Fox News praising the anti-muslim rally in Phoenix as a victory for the 1st and 2nd Amendment. (But the Black Lives Matters protesters are thugs).

260 Tigger2  May 29, 2015 7:32:27pm

re: #236 darthstar

They don’t make those things anymore.

A couple pic of the Hog Roast.

261 CleverToad  May 29, 2015 7:32:34pm

re: #213 klys (maker of Silmarils)

My husband’s side of the family is like that, wide spread between generation. He was born in ‘55; his dad in ‘15, his grandfather was born in 1869. Our son was born in ‘98, so we kept up the tradition.

On my side, my mother has a picture of her mother’s family that goes back to 1603 in Norway. Some of her dad’s ancestors landed in New York before the Revolution. My dad always said his ancestors were a bunch of barefooted Southern horse thieves, but my sister has traced one of his lines back to New Amsterdam. (Mind you, that was the guy who got kicked out of New Amsterdam for selling his wife to another colonist…)

Genealogy is fascinating when you get into it. I’m eternally grateful to the sister who’s doing the actual work on it.

262 goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2015 7:32:36pm

Shit, I broke my vow and responded:

263 bratwurst  May 29, 2015 7:33:03pm

Wow, I just got a reply from the most pedantic idiot on Twitter!

Check his timeline!

264 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 7:33:47pm

re: #259 DodgerFan1988

Oh dear lord…
Fox News praising the anti-muslim rally in Phoenix as a victory for the 1st and 2nd Amendment. (But the Black Lives Matters protesters are thugs).

That’s not a victory for the first amendment at all considering they’re protesting the Phoenix Muslims right to have 1st amendment rights so no Fox do not pass go and do not collect 200 dollars.

265 jaunte  May 29, 2015 7:34:27pm

re: #263 bratwurst

Tell him ‘dox’ is not an appropriate abbreviation of ‘documents’.

266 bratwurst  May 29, 2015 7:34:52pm

re: #265 jaunte

Tell him ‘dox’ is not an appropriate abbreviation of ‘documents’.

I…uh…don’t think I care to engage this fellow.

267 BeachDem  May 29, 2015 7:35:00pm

He might not have been the one who actually posted the change dot org petition, but the twit definitely wrote the description:

…is routinely tarred with the brush of “Troll” when “Oracle” is probably more appropriate.

followed immediately by the grammatical mess of:

Politics and “Journalists” fear him because he holds no loyalty

Guessing he meant politicians, but who am I to argue with an ORACLE.

Funniest thing I’ve read all day.

268 De Kolta Chair  May 29, 2015 7:35:35pm

re: #252 HappyWarrior

Thanks. I like Steve. His son’s pretty talented too.

After all these years, he finally released a blues album, and it’s a fine one. I like his kid too. Speaking of musicians’ kids, Townes Van Zandt’s son J.T. is pretty darn talented as well.

…

269 goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2015 7:36:06pm

Do you see what she did there? It was super subtle LOL.

270 De Kolta Chair  May 29, 2015 7:36:14pm

re: #257 Gus

Schmucks in mufti.

271 freetoken  May 29, 2015 7:36:25pm

“This is proof there is tyranny in America”.

Delusional much?

272 jaunte  May 29, 2015 7:36:27pm
273 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 29, 2015 7:36:29pm

re: #261 CleverToad

The branch of the family I know about (my grandmother does genealogy) is from Denmark/Sweden with a little bit of other northern European thrown in.

I know there’s some Irish somewhere; one of the names is a giveaway.

The rest of it? No clue. Maybe someday I’ll decide to change that.

274 BlueSpotinAL  May 29, 2015 7:37:03pm

re: #242 whitebeach

Decent precision but not such good accuracy. What was making you pull right?

OTOH, for those who don’t know, the black on those 50 ft targets is about the diameter of a half dollar and the center ring is roughly the same as that of a .22 bullet itself.

It was not my rifle, either sight needed adjustment or I naturally flinch. I also did AR15 simulation at Fort Rucker, got 17 out of 20. All with Boy Scouts.

275 CleverToad  May 29, 2015 7:38:59pm

re: #273 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Do what you can while there are folks here to ask! Before they go, or their memories do.

276 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 29, 2015 7:41:46pm

re: #275 CleverToad

Do what you can while there are folks here to ask! Before they go, or their memories do.

It’s too late on that side, in a lot of ways.

I actually cleaned out my inbox yesterday, and went through the emails from that set of grandparents. I had to put in a filter because my grandmother forwarded EVERY stupid right-wing forwarding meme and I had no desire to deal with the racism and stupidity. I pulled out the ones that were actually addressed to me (including a few I missed) and was sad some yesterday.

It’ll be four years for her this year, five for my grandfather.

277 prairiefire  May 29, 2015 7:43:15pm

re: #261 CleverToad

I’ve got a grand mum called the “flying angel” because she was kicked out of New Amsterdam for insulting another tavern owner. A lady after me own heart, she was.

278 freetoken  May 29, 2015 7:45:04pm

The Fox10 talking heads can’t bring themselves to say that the organizer is delusional with violent tendencies.

No wonder I only stayed a winter in AZ.

279 CleverToad  May 29, 2015 7:45:27pm

re: #277 prairiefire

Sounds like good genes to inherit ;)

280 Tigger2  May 29, 2015 7:45:47pm

re: #257 Gus

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I wonder if they know how stupid they look to most Americans.

281 De Kolta Chair  May 29, 2015 7:47:08pm

re: #268 De Kolta Chair

Shite and onions, that was Lyle Lovett! Sorry ‘bout that, though he’s cool. For several years after September 11, 2001, Lyle put on a free show in Battery Park on the fourth of July. Extra points for Randy Newman, who was the first musician to perform down here, just a few months after September 11th,. and he came back every year. We finally had to ask him to stop. Just kidding, Rand’s the best.

282 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2015 7:47:10pm
283 Tigger2  May 29, 2015 7:49:17pm

re: #282 Charles Johnson

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I hope he’s chocking at all the hateful bile he’s having to keep inside.

284 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 7:49:42pm

re: #273 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The branch of the family I know about (my grandmother does genealogy) is from Denmark/Sweden with a little bit of other northern European thrown in.

I know there’s some Irish somewhere; one of the names is a giveaway.

The rest of it? No clue. Maybe someday I’ll decide to change that.

I actually got a really heartwarming story about my Irish background. I studied abroad in Ireland as an undergrad and the Irish just love meeting visitors with ancestral ties to Ireland. We had a weekend trip to Kerry. I had purchased a family history of my surname which is German already on the way there but on the way back, I saw another kiosk and I just wanted to look at my grandmother’s maiden name since it’s a rare name that you can’t find too much out through a google search. The man running the thing asked me if I was American and I told him that I was but I could not afford the history sheet of the surname since I was out of dough at the time. He gave it to me for free. I have so many fond memories of the Irish people on both trips to Ireland. I know you’ve been too. Everyone talks about the Irish bartenders but some of the best conversations I’ve had in Ireland were with Dublin cab drivers. Mostly middle aged guys who were very fatherly and eager to hear my impressions of their country. I was so happy for Ireland passing gay marriage last week. Ireland still needs to improve when it comes to things like choice obviously but I really think the passing of the same sex marriage referendum showed how great the Irish people really are.

285 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 7:50:44pm

re: #280 Tigger2

I wonder if they know how stupid they look to most Americans.

They think they look tough and that this look will “scare the libtards.”

286 Tigger2  May 29, 2015 7:51:48pm

That stupid asshole talking don’t know tyranny.

287 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 7:52:48pm

re: #286 Tigger2

That stupid asshole talking don’t know tyranny.

They know that they want it for Muslims.

288 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2015 7:53:06pm
289 BeachDem  May 29, 2015 7:53:43pm

re: #263 bratwurst

Wow, I just got a reply from the most pedantic idiot on Twitter!

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Check his timeline!

I believe you have found the person for whom the phrase “get a life” was originally intended.

290 Gus  May 29, 2015 7:53:44pm
291 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 29, 2015 7:54:19pm

re: #285 HappyWarrior

They think they look tough and that this look will “scare the libtards.”

Yeah—if one of them were forced to go on George McGovern’s easiest mission they’d die of fright.

292 calochortus  May 29, 2015 7:54:49pm

re: #261 CleverToad

I just barely remember 3 out of my 4 grandparents. One grandfather I knew well, but I’m another younger child of younger children who generally married late. The grandfather who lived until I was in my late teens was born in the 1880s, the other grandfather was born in 1868. My grandmothers were each a bit younger than their husbands.

I’m another lizard with one set of ancestors that were kicking around New England in the 1620s (maybe Mayflower, maybe not) and Scandinavian immigrant grandparents. Apparently it’s not all that uncommon!

293 Gus  May 29, 2015 7:55:39pm
294 jaunte  May 29, 2015 7:57:20pm

re: #293 Gus

295 freetoken  May 29, 2015 7:57:35pm

re: #293 Gus

Cosplay for haters.

296 Viscous Obama  May 29, 2015 7:58:03pm

I’m late on this whole Hastert controversy but, wow, I always felt that there was mega-corruption around this dude. He was a lobbyist, his kid was a lobbyist, and he was a principal actor in the worst period in recent American history. His political epitaph will be the execrable Hastert Rule, but his corpulent ass will be forever known for abusing his authority as a teacher, a congressman, and as a spokesman of “moral rights”.

and oh, yeah

If I understand the history correctly, in the late 1990s, the President was impeached for lying about a sexual affair by a House of Representatives led by a man who was also then hiding a sexual affair, who was supposed to be replaced by another Congressman who stepped down when forced to reveal that he too was having a sexual affair, which led to the election of a new Speaker of the House who now has been indicted for lying about payments covering up his sexual contact with a boy.

297 The War TARDIS  May 29, 2015 7:58:50pm

re: #294 jaunte

WTF is a Keyblade doing there?

298 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 7:58:56pm

re: #294 jaunte

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If he had a background that wasn’t an American flag, I swear to you my first thought would have been ISIS. But I guess that’s the thing here. These people really do believe that we’re fighting another Crusade.

299 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2015 7:59:09pm

re: #293 Gus

They’re really insane.

300 freetoken  May 29, 2015 7:59:25pm

There’s a comicon in Phoenix going on:
phoenixcomicon.com

Maybe some of the weirdos who showed up at the Mosque just ended up in the wrong place?

301 RealityBasedSteve  May 29, 2015 7:59:30pm

re: #294 jaunte

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What’s up with the a giant freaking key thing?

RBS

302 teleskiguy  May 29, 2015 8:00:04pm

re: #296 Viscous Obama

I’m late on this whole Hastert controversy but, wow, I always felt that there was mega-corruption around this dude. He was a lobbyist, his kid was a lobbyist, and he was a principal actor in the worst period in recent American history. His political epitaph will be the execrable Hastert Rule, but his corpulent ass will be forever known for abusing his authority as a teacher, a congressman, and as a spokesman of “moral rights”.

I take serious issue with the bolded above. What the frick are you on, bro? Not cool.

303 calochortus  May 29, 2015 8:00:20pm

re: #275 CleverToad

Do what you can while there are folks here to ask! Before they go, or their memories do.

Also, while you can share your discoveries with older generations. Often immigrants truly left the old country behind and looked forward. I’ve found out things I know my father didn’t know about his grandparents, and even his parents. Nothing particularly shocking or anything, but his parents apparently never talked about the past, at least in front of the children.

304 jaunte  May 29, 2015 8:00:30pm

re: #301 RealityBasedSteve

“…In order to conquer the light of Kingdom Hearts, people forged the first Keyblades in the image of the χ-blade, and they clashed with each other in a great Keyblade War that involved those who served the light, those who served the darkness, those who sought balance, and those who simply sought power….”
khwiki.com

305 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 8:00:46pm

re: #296 Viscous Obama

I’m late on this whole Hastert controversy but, wow, I always felt that there was mega-corruption around this dude. He was a lobbyist, his kid was a lobbyist, and he was a principal actor in the worst period in recent American history. His political epitaph will be the execrable Hastert Rule, but his corpulent ass will be forever known for abusing his authority as a teacher, a congressman, and as a spokesman of “moral rights”.

I hear ya but I’m honestly shocked about what was going on. I think that the kids involved were probably his wrestlers. But that’s just speculation on my part.

306 jaunte  May 29, 2015 8:00:57pm

re: #301 RealityBasedSteve

What’s up with the a giant freaking key thing?

RBS

Fantasyland.

307 #FergusonFireside  May 29, 2015 8:00:59pm

no.

308 The War TARDIS  May 29, 2015 8:01:27pm

re: #301 RealityBasedSteve

That’s Kingdom Hearts.

It’s a game series from Square Enix and Disney, featuring characters from Disney, and to a lesser extant Final Fantasy.

309 freetoken  May 29, 2015 8:02:24pm

There’s something about what the Fox10 talkingheads kept repeating that irked me (well, several things.)

Namely, what I’ll call the cult of the uniform.

They kept trying to be deferential to the idiot who organized this because he had been in the military.

So?

Lots of nut cases have worn an American uniform. Doesn’t make them any less nut cases.

310 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 8:03:02pm

If Chappelle Show were around today, Pam, Spencer, and friends would be saying his comedy is a way of sneaking Shariah law through humor. I miss Dave by the way. I love Key and Peele’s sketch show but Chappelle Show ruled back in the day.

311 teleskiguy  May 29, 2015 8:03:10pm

re: #307 #FergusonFireside

No. Viscous Obama has forgotten Vietnam, the social unrest of the 60s, etc. Yeah, things were bad under Bush, yeah, soldiers died, yeah, 9/11. But Viscous Obama is missing some serious historical context.

312 WhatEVs  May 29, 2015 8:03:56pm

re: #22 bratwurst

Chuck’s tantrum about withholding information on Hastert due to the way he has been treated reminds me of a former poster here who remarked he had lost all motivation to help expose tea partiers due to the negative reaction he received to his strident views on Occupy Wall Street.

It reminds me of McCain saying he knows how to get bin Laden but he wouldn’t tell anyone until he was elected…or something. Not for the good of the country (Mr Country First, fuck yeah!) only what was good for McCain (and bible Barbie Palin).

313 prairiefire  May 29, 2015 8:04:06pm

re: #284 HappyWarrior

The English folk I met in the early 80’s were incredibly kind. The phone operator who was trying to place my phone call home could tell I was crying from homesickness, “try again later, love. They’ll be there then.”

314 goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2015 8:04:43pm

re: #294 jaunte

I’m not grasping the iconography of the key shaped mace.

315 teleskiguy  May 29, 2015 8:04:51pm

It’s taking me a while, (like, months and months) but I will finish Steven Pinker’s “The Better Angels Of Our Nature” one of these days.

316 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 8:05:32pm

re: #303 calochortus

Also, while you can share your discoveries with older generations. Often immigrants truly left the old country behind and looked forward. I’ve found out things I know my father didn’t know about his grandparents, and even his parents. Nothing particularly shocking or anything, but his parents apparently never talked about the past, at least in front of the children.

Found out that my mom’s mom’s mother was of illegitimate birth and there’s no way to know who the father is since none is listed on either her death certificate or baptism certificate. I’m really curious to find out more about that but I think it’s one of those family mysteries that go to the grave.

317 #FergusonFireside  May 29, 2015 8:05:35pm

Oh ha yeah!

318 jaunte  May 29, 2015 8:06:12pm

re: #314 goddamnedfrank

I’m not grasping the iconography of the key shaped mace.

It’s from a game:

Keyblades (キーブレード Kኻurᄽo?) are mysterious weapons that are prominently featured in the Kingdom Hearts series. These weapons play an important role in the battle between Darkness and Light; they are wielded by many of the series’ major characters, particularly its main protagonist, Sora.
khwiki.com

319 goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2015 8:06:45pm

re: #314 goddamnedfrank

I mean, if he was holding a Fasces that would make sense.

320 jaunte  May 29, 2015 8:07:34pm

re: #319 goddamnedfrank

It’s his version of a Star Trek phaser.

321 The War TARDIS  May 29, 2015 8:07:39pm

re: #318 jaunte

It’s a good game too.

I still have no idea how the two are connected.

322 jaunte  May 29, 2015 8:08:15pm

re: #321 The War TARDIS

Totems.

323 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 29, 2015 8:08:17pm

re: #317 #FergusonFireside

eMac Cat™!

324 RealityBasedSteve  May 29, 2015 8:08:42pm

re: #306 jaunte

Fantasyland.

Thanks.

Seems to me that real world martial edged weapons had a particular size / shape / balance / edge configuration because they were proven in the most Darwinian of environments, battle. Things that didn’t measure up were quickly killed off (literally), and the best characteristics of the surviving models went into the next gen of design.

Fantasy edged weapons are designed to rapidly separate money from insecure wanna-be’s and Never-were’s.

FWIW, I’m neither an expert on edged weapons or fantasy, but I do have a good eye for clean and efficient design

325 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 8:09:05pm

re: #313 prairiefire

The English folk I met in the early 80’s were incredibly kind. The phone operator who was trying to place my phone call home could tell I was crying from homesickness, “try again later, love. They’ll be there then.”

They’re really nice people. Two of my cousins are married to Englishmen and they’re just the nicest guys you’ll meet. The one was the first person that my Dad had ever known of someone meeting through online dating. When I went out for drinks at the pub with him one night when I was there, he told me the story of how he made the ad in the first place. It was just a gag at first place but he started talking to my cousin and they really fell for each other. He’s also I think the only Englishman who does not like soccer so I couldn’t really talk up the World Cup with him when I was over there last summer but he like my cousin is a big music fan so we talked a lot of music.

326 calochortus  May 29, 2015 8:09:20pm

re: #315 teleskiguy

It’s taking me a while, (like, months and months) but I will finish Steven Pinker’s “The Better Angels Of Our Nature” one of these days.

It’s on my list-my brother is going to lend it to me when he finishes his copy because I suspect it will nice to not have the pressure of it being due at the library.

327 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 29, 2015 8:09:47pm

re: #318 jaunte

It’s from a game:

Looks as useful as a bat’leth—i.e. not at all.

328 jaunte  May 29, 2015 8:09:53pm

re: #324 RealityBasedSteve

It looks like you could really hurt yourself if you tried to fence or slash with that thing.

329 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 29, 2015 8:10:34pm

re: #3 goddamnedfrank

Heh, I suspected the 1022 in his chuckwalla1022 email address was a Ruger reference.

Or his birthday. Many of my students here put their birthday in their social media account names.

And I see Chuck is still trying desperately to be relevant, or even remembered.

330 CleverToad  May 29, 2015 8:10:57pm

re: #316 HappyWarrior

We keep saying that what we should do is get all of the cousins in my generation together and say, “Now tell us everything about the family that your parents told you and said to never tell anyone.” It’s not scandal any more, it’s history.

331 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 8:11:18pm

re: #312 WhatEVs

It reminds me of McCain saying he knows how to get bin Laden but he wouldn’t tell anyone until he was elected…or something. Not for the good of the country (Mr Country First, fuck yeah!) only what was good for McCain (and bible Barbie Palin).

I look at McCain now and I ask myself “How did I ever respect this man?” Yes, I do appreciate his service to our country during the Vietnam War but he’s such an ass. I’m sorry. Maybe that’s harsh but I don’t give him a pass just because he’s a veteran. I mean I appreciate that he’s not a chickenhawk shit like Cheney but at the same time, I think McCain is very war thirsty and I think he holds a grudge against Obama for beating him.

332 jaunte  May 29, 2015 8:11:40pm
333 teleskiguy  May 29, 2015 8:11:58pm

re: #326 calochortus

It’s on my list-my brother is going to lend it to me when he finishes his copy because I suspect it will nice to not have the pressure of it being due at the library.

The scope of the book is remarkable. Reminds me of “Guns, Germs, and Steel,” another book that took me a long time to finish.

334 calochortus  May 29, 2015 8:12:12pm

re: #316 HappyWarrior

Found out that my mom’s mom’s mother was of illegitimate birth and there’s no way to know who the father is since none is listed on either her death certificate or baptism certificate. I’m really curious to find out more about that but I think it’s one of those family mysteries that go to the grave.

Of course, having someone’s name on your birth certificate doesn’t mean they actually are related to you. ;-) I’d be idly interested in a DNA test if it would show whether my presumptive forebears actually are my ancestors.

335 CleverToad  May 29, 2015 8:12:26pm

re: #292 calochortus

Yay for the Scandahoovians!

336 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2015 8:13:57pm

Another Chuck Johnson supporter weighs in.

337 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 8:14:30pm

re: #330 CleverToad

We keep saying that what we should do is get all of the cousins in my generation together and say, “Now tell us everything about the family that your parents told you and said to never tell anyone.” It’s not scandal any more, it’s history.

I think my great grandmother honestly did not know. My grandmother when I talked to her said that her mother always told her that her father died when she was young and I guess she took that as fact. I’m really wondering what happened. I am wondering if she was perhaps a victim of rape or perhaps the father was from a wealthy family who wouldn’t let their son marry my great great grandmother but I really know nothing about the class structure in that part of Slovakia during that time period.

338 calochortus  May 29, 2015 8:15:25pm

re: #333 teleskiguy

The scope of the book is remarkable. Reminds me of “Guns, Germs, and Steel,” another book that took me a long time to finish.

That was one of the least successful books we ever tried to discuss at my book club. Pretty much everyone said “Wow, that was really great.” And thus ended the discussion.
There was a sort of stupid novel we read that rivaled, but didn’t quite beat, Guns, Germs and Steel in lack of discussion.

339 teleskiguy  May 29, 2015 8:15:29pm

re: #311 teleskiguy

I think Nixon was a more consequential leader in terms of human life lost, than Bush II.

340 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 8:15:29pm

re: #336 Charles Johnson

Another Chuck Johnson supporter weighs in.

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Is that someone with a swastika in their username seriously complaining about fascism? You forfeit your right to complain about fascism when you’re a Nazi fan. Sorry.

341 jaunte  May 29, 2015 8:15:34pm

re: #336 Charles Johnson

“The Three Stigmata of Ginger Eldritch.”

342 The War TARDIS  May 29, 2015 8:15:53pm

re: #336 Charles Johnson

Lack of self-awareness on line 1.

343 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 8:16:51pm

re: #339 teleskiguy

I think Nixon was a more consequential leader in terms of human life lost, than Bush II.

I would say the Civil War was our nation’s darkest hour. But I disagree respectfully with your downding since I think it’s something reasonable people can disagree on but I am not going to tell you who or who not to DD. I do agree with you regarding Nixon. I also feel that without Nixon there is no Bush II to begin with.

344 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 8:17:20pm

re: #342 The War TARDIS

Lack of self-awareness on line 1.

Ha seriously nothing more sad than someone with a swastika complaining about fascism.

345 calochortus  May 29, 2015 8:17:45pm

re: #337 HappyWarrior

I think my great grandmother honestly did not know. My grandmother when I talked to her said that her mother always told her that her father died when she was young and I guess she took that as fact. I’m really wondering what happened. I am wondering if she was perhaps a victim of rape or perhaps the father was from a wealthy family who wouldn’t let their son marry my great great grandmother but I really know nothing about the class structure in that part of Slovakia during that time period.

Or the father could have died before they could get married. There are a lot of possibilities. There are a lot of things we can never know and annoying as it is, we just have to accept it.

346 goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2015 8:18:02pm

re: #318 jaunte

It’s from a game:

Violent gamer racist protest cosplay with real guns. You’ve got to be fucking kidding me.

That is the most retarded thing I’ve seen in a long time.

Just sad for the world right now.

347 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 29, 2015 8:18:22pm

re: #341 jaunte

“The Three Stigmata of Ginger Eldritch.”

“Confessions of a Crap Artist”

348 CleverToad  May 29, 2015 8:19:53pm

re: #337 HappyWarrior

Happened here too. One of my mom’s relatives had an illegitimate daughter, born about 1915 — father was a rich boy whose family paid the girl $10,000 to go away. Against his wishes, apparently, because he got back in touch years later and stayed in contact with his daughter till he died.

349 teleskiguy  May 29, 2015 8:20:04pm

re: #338 calochortus

That was one of the least successful books we ever tried to discuss at my book club. Pretty much everyone said “Wow, that was really great.” And thus ended the discussion.

Perhaps a testament to its persuasiveness. To compare mediums, I think that a film is successful if you walk away from the film without anything to say, other than “Wow” or “That was great.” The work speaks for itself.

Then again, it’s hard to compartmentalize the ideas in “Guns, Germs, and Steel” into mere conversation. Believe me, I’ve tried, and I know what you’re talking about when it comes to discussing that book.

350 Viscous Obama  May 29, 2015 8:20:11pm

re: #311 teleskiguy

No. Viscous Obama has forgotten Vietnam, the social unrest of the 60s, etc. Yeah, things were bad under Bush, yeah, soldiers died, yeah, 9/11. But Viscous Obama is missing some serious historical context.

Well, I guess “recent” means different things depending on when you were born, but Hastert’s tenure coincided with the worst period in the past 30 years. The Patriot Act, horrid environmental policies, decaying infrastructure, stultifying civil rights, a total disregard for the deficit, the Iraq War, and horrible, corporate legislation up and down the board. There was absolutely no progress whatsoever. He is absolutely culpable for bringing into existence the Tea Party.

351 jaunte  May 29, 2015 8:20:12pm
352 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 8:20:47pm

re: #345 calochortus

Or the father could have died before they could get married. There are a lot of possibilities. There are a lot of things we can never know and annoying as it is, we just have to accept it.

That’s a good point too though I think even if he was deceased that he would have been listed as the father but I don’t know. And yeah nothing we can do about it but imagination is a fascinating thing.

353 prairiefire  May 29, 2015 8:21:03pm

re: #339 teleskiguy

Nixon ended Vietnam.

354 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 29, 2015 8:23:52pm

re: #353 prairiefire

Nixon ended Vietnam.

Yeah, Nixon compares very favorably with Reagan or either Bush. In all four cases, it’s the assholes they brought into government that are the problem—some of the Nixon retreads still destroying America in 2015!

355 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 29, 2015 8:24:13pm

re: #316 HappyWarrior

Found out that my mom’s mom’s mother was of illegitimate birth and there’s no way to know who the father is since none is listed on either her death certificate or baptism certificate. I’m really curious to find out more about that but I think it’s one of those family mysteries that go to the grave.

There’s a similar event in my mother’s family tree, too. One of her ancestresses was recorded as “oakta” in the parish registry, but the same registry lists both her parents. Her father was an itinerant worker of some kind, I guess. My uncle (mom’s younger older brother) said their family had Roma blood in them, which I doubt. I figure the family way back when needed to explain away the premarital affair and opted to blame the Gypsys.

That same uncle also said his family was related to the Bernadottes, the royals of Sweden. The next time I see Carl Gustaf, I’ll ask for a cheek swab.

356 teleskiguy  May 29, 2015 8:24:20pm

re: #350 Viscous Obama

There was absolutely no progress whatsoever.

What do you think of Obama’s tenure? Do you think there was progress?

357 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 8:24:36pm

re: #351 jaunte

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Yeah but Hitler was talking about Jews and Slavs not Muslims so it’s different.// if Hitler were around now, I have no doubt that he would be taking advantage of Anti-Muslim sentiment and I would not be shocked at all if he were embraced by elements of the right.

358 Tigger2  May 29, 2015 8:25:25pm

re: #353 prairiefire

Nixon ended Vietnam.

Remember that well was sitting at a bar when a Nixon News Bulletin broke into the show I was watching on TV to announce the end of the war.

359 lawhawk  May 29, 2015 8:25:30pm

Definitely needing some good vibes again; spent another part of the day in the ER and the news wasn’t good. Beginning to look like the beginning of the end. I’ve already come to terms with this, but the rest of my family - not so much. So the news today hit them harder, except for the one person who this directly affects who is in denial about all of this. That makes it harder on everyone else who has to help make care decisions.

There’s going to be a bunch of long sleepless nights ahead. Oy.

360 CleverToad  May 29, 2015 8:26:03pm

Nite all, keeping the fingers crossed that the idiots in Phoenix don’t get anyone killed like they’d like to.

In the meantime, dream big

(Probably shopped. Don’t care, adorable anyway)
361 teleskiguy  May 29, 2015 8:26:25pm

re: #353 prairiefire

Nixon ended Vietnam.

Well, as they say in open-relationship forums, it’s complicated. I blame Henry Kissinger for a lot of the rotten state of affairs we’re still dealing with today. And when he and Nixon were together in the same room, it was like two spiders in a jar.

362 jaunte  May 29, 2015 8:27:13pm

re: #359 lawhawk

everyone else who has to help make care decisions.

Take care of yourself, too.

363 prairiefire  May 29, 2015 8:27:35pm

re: #355 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Ha! Roma should show up in a DNA, perhaps it would explain your wandering far afield.

364 teleskiguy  May 29, 2015 8:27:42pm

re: #359 lawhawk

You? A friend? Relative? A little out of the loop.

Sending good real-world karma your way.

365 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 8:28:02pm

re: #355 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

There’s a similar event in my mother’s family tree, too. One of her ancestresses was recorded as “oakta” in the parish registry, but the same registry lists both her parents. Her father was an itinerant worker of some kind, I guess. My uncle (mom’s younger older brother) said their family had Roma blood in them, which I doubt. I figure the family way back when needed to explain away the premarital affair and opted to blame the Gypsys.

That same uncle also said his family was related to the Bernadottes, the royals of Sweden. The next time I see Carl Gustaf, I’ll ask for a cheek swab.

It’s interesting. You just find all sorts of surprises when researching these sort of things. I actually found out that some of my great great grandparents on my Dad’s side were likely residing in the same town in Pennsylvania a half century before my mom’s parents emigrated to the very town. I didn’t notice ti before.

366 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 29, 2015 8:28:06pm

re: #336 Charles Johnson

Nothing like being a martyr. I’m convinced if he had been banned for actually threatening to murder DeRay, his supporters wouldn’t care. It’s all about the Liberal Media (Twitter? Really?) squelching conservative voices by any means possible.

That was the line he and Milo took in that interview, BTW. The SJWs, feminists and radicals have taken over Twitter. Also, Jezebel and Gawker.

367 Dave In Austin  May 29, 2015 8:28:39pm

re: #359 lawhawk

Blessing my Friend…..

368 Viscous Obama  May 29, 2015 8:29:08pm

re: #354 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Yeah, Nixon compares very favorably with Reagan or either Bush. In all four cases, it’s the assholes they brought into government that are the problem—some of the Nixon retreads still destroying America in 2015!

I feel the same way about Boehner the same way I feel about Roberts. Sure, they’re both assholes, but they’re an improvement compared to Hastert and Rehnquist.

Ever read what Rehnquist had to say about homosexuals? Man, what a total fucko.

369 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 29, 2015 8:29:55pm

re: #355 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

There’s a similar event in my mother’s family tree, too. One of her ancestresses was recorded as “oakta” in the parish registry, but the same registry lists both her parents. Her father was an itinerant worker of some kind, I guess. My uncle (mom’s younger older brother) said their family had Roma blood in them, which I doubt. I figure the family way back when needed to explain away the premarital affair and opted to blame the Gypsys.

That same uncle also said his family was related to the Bernadottes, the royals of Sweden. The next time I see Carl Gustaf, I’ll ask for a cheek swab.

All’s ya gotta do is win a Nobel Prize—easy peasy!

370 prairiefire  May 29, 2015 8:29:57pm

re: #359 lawhawk

Good vibes and prayers, dear Lawhawk.

371 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 8:30:58pm

The other interesting thing are immigrants who go back. I’m sure some of you read Angela’s Ashes and how the McCourts actually went back to Ireland. I think I may have had some Irish family members who did that. I have a copy of a journal my dad’s mom wrote in her early 80’s and I trust the information in it since it’s accurate with what I’ve found later but she talks about how after her mother died a great aunt came over from Ireland to take care of her and her sister. I would love to find relatives today descended from ancestors who stayed behind and I know for a fact I have some on my mom’s side since my great aunt corresponded with some but she sadly has since passed on and I didn’t really get the chance to talk to her much about genealogy.

372 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 29, 2015 8:32:43pm

re: #363 prairiefire

Ha! Roma should show up in a DNA, perhaps it would explain your wandering far afield.

I’d have to get a full DNA scan, which are really expensive, because the Roma would have come from a male ancestor not in my paternal line. My mtDNA test did not turn up anything conclusively Roma-ish, though that particular haplotype (U2) appears in some Central European Roma populations.

373 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 8:32:44pm

re: #368 Viscous Obama

I feel the same way about Boehner the same way I feel about Roberts. Sure, they’re both assholes, but they’re an improvement compared to Hastert and Rehnquist.

Ever read what Rehnquist had to say about homosexuals? Man, what a total fucko.

Reagan promoting Rehnquist to CJ may be the worst thing Reagan did that no one discusses.

374 lawhawk  May 29, 2015 8:32:52pm

re: #362 jaunte

The Mrs is amazing in making sure I’m taking care of myself and other family. She’s got my back. I’ve got hers. So that makes things a little easier.

375 The War TARDIS  May 29, 2015 8:34:23pm

re: #374 lawhawk

So… it’s you?

:(

376 Belafon  May 29, 2015 8:35:17pm

re: #353 prairiefire

Nixon ended Vietnam.

After derailing the Paris talks.

377 BeachDem  May 29, 2015 8:35:44pm

re: #329 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Or his birthday. Many of my students here put their birthday in their social media account names.

And I see Chuck is still trying desperately to be relevant, or even remembered.

Well, you should know his birthday from your dossier info when he was joining the 26 club or whatever.

BTW—read all of the installments, and almost lost in on chapter 3 with your screen caps and captions. Funny stuff.

378 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 8:36:06pm

re: #363 prairiefire

Ha! Roma should show up in a DNA, perhaps it would explain your wandering far afield.

Wonder what Roma would show up as in one of those Ancestry DNA tests. My results said I have a “trace” amount of Central Asian and Middle Eastern ancestry but the amount was so tiny that it could be practically non-existent. The real interesting find in that though was Scandinavian ancestry. Now I’m not totally shocked by it. The Vikings did go into Ireland and Germany where I have ancestry from but I was just shocked to see more Scandinavian than Western European which is where the Germans mostly are. Being a Celtophile, my brother was busting on me a little bit when he saw that we had Great Britain blood but I explained to him about the Norman-Irish who went over to Ireland in the 12th century I believe as the likely source of that.

379 Gus  May 29, 2015 8:36:18pm
380 prairiefire  May 29, 2015 8:37:54pm

re: #376 Belafon

And as well, Cambodia…My younger brothers did not have to enter the grisly lottery, for that I am thankful.

381 teleskiguy  May 29, 2015 8:38:12pm

re: #376 Belafon

After derailing the Paris talks.

Kissinger did this.

382 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 29, 2015 8:38:57pm

re: #371 HappyWarrior

The other interesting thing are immigrants who go back. I’m sure some of you read Angela’s Ashes and how the McCourts actually went back to Ireland. I think I may have had some Irish family members who did that. I have a copy of a journal my dad’s mom wrote in her early 80’s and I trust the information in it since it’s accurate with what I’ve found later but she talks about how after her mother died a great aunt came over from Ireland to take care of her and her sister. I would love to find relatives today descended from ancestors who stayed behind and I know for a fact I have some on my mom’s side since my great aunt corresponded with some but she sadly has since passed on and I didn’t really get the chance to talk to her much about genealogy.

I’ve connected with an elderly distant cousin in Gotland, Sweden, where my maternal grandmother came from. This lady is about 85 and as sharp as a tack, but she’s the only member of her family who’s at all interested in genealogy and the American cousins. She told me life for my grandmother’s generation was very hard for younger children in large families. Grandma was a domestic worker as a teenager before she came to the USA. It was common for the girls to be sent out from farming families in this way to make sure there was enough food for the kids still at home.

383 jaunte  May 29, 2015 8:38:58pm
384 jaunte  May 29, 2015 8:39:23pm
385 Viscous Obama  May 29, 2015 8:40:02pm

re: #373 HappyWarrior

Reagan promoting Rehnquist to CJ may be the worst thing Reagan did that no one discusses.

Nixon/Ford appointees Blackmun and John Paul Stevens were notable dissents in Bowers v. Hardwick. Rehnquist continued being a prick on social issues until he end of his term.

386 lawhawk  May 29, 2015 8:40:42pm

re: #375 The War TARDIS

No, not me. I intend to live forever (or at least until they’ve figured out how to do that Futurama thingy with the heads) /

387 De Kolta Chair  May 29, 2015 8:41:27pm

re: #359 lawhawk

There’s going to be a bunch of long sleepless nights ahead. Oy.

I have no words, but I can offer a story and a song by a friend of a friend (sorry if it’s a bit morbid, but it’s the Irish way)

On second thought, that’s morbid as hell. (Wassup with that, Ireland?) I wish you all the best, lawhawk.

388 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 29, 2015 8:41:52pm

re: #377 BeachDem

Well, you should know his birthday from your dossier info when he was joining the 26 club or whatever.

BTW—read all of the installments, and almost lost in on chapter 3 with your screen caps and captions. Funny stuff.

Thanks! I noticed today that part 1 got well over 500 hits, but the others much less, and the numbers get smaller with each installment. tl;dr, I guess. :D

Milo’s expressions as Chuck rambles on are priceless.

389 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 8:43:22pm

re: #385 Viscous Obama

Nixon/Ford appointees Blackmun and John Paul Stevens were notable dissents in Bowers v. Hardwick. Rehnquist continued being a prick on social issues until he end of his term.

Yep. Regarding Stevens, that’s one reason I like Ford quite a bit. He always defended Justice Stevens against the right wingers who complained about him being part of the court’s liberal bloc in the latter years. I really hope Stevens is enjoying his retirement. I am glad that he didn’t retire and then immediately pass away. He still seems sharp too since I think he wrote a memoir not that long ago.

390 prairiefire  May 29, 2015 8:43:23pm

re: #378 HappyWarrior

Hmmm, perhaps the ” illigetimate” ancestor added some Scand.? I’m 49% great Britain, much tracing back to Normans and Scott’s, Scandinavians being the root of that, although it is not described as such.

391 teleskiguy  May 29, 2015 8:46:06pm

re: #386 lawhawk

No, not me. I intend to live forever (or at least until they’ve figured out how to do that Futurama thingy with the heads) /

392 BeachDem  May 29, 2015 8:46:11pm

re: #383 jaunte

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I love Rex Huppke, but I always forget about him for weeks on end until somebody posts a tweet. He is so funny. Thanks for the reminder!

393 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 8:47:29pm

re: #390 prairiefire

Hmmm, perhaps the ” illigetimate” ancestor added some Scand.? I’m 49% great Britain, much tracing back to Normans and Scott’s, Scandinavians being the root of that, although it is not described as such.

I don’t think so. I think almost certain he was another Eastern European. My grandmother and her siblings do not look they had close Scandinavian ancestors. Plus, after Eastern European- my number one by fair is the Scandinavian which makes up 17%- my second overall. But you never know I guess.

394 RealityBasedSteve  May 29, 2015 8:49:26pm

Well I’m off to bed. Busy day today… the owner and I cracked up when we finally were able to close the doors this evening. I had brewed up a pot of Cafe du Monde coffee w/chicory, and I don’t think either of us managed to even get a full cup of it. We were busy from the moment the door opened to when we finally got the last person out the door about 30 past regular closing time. (Lots of people renting gear for this weekend, signing up for classes).

When we were done we just started laughing, and he told me “This is exactly why you are the right person for this position”.

Working the shop tomorrow, and diving Sunday.

Catch you later.

RBS
Who spent a lot of money digging up his family tree, and even more money getting it hidden again. /joke

395 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 8:50:16pm

These were my results by the way: And I’m also aware that the results differ slightly from sibling to sibling. I definitely have the most Eastern European appearance of my brothers. I think my brothers look much more Germanic than I do though all three of us have blue eyes.
Europe East 43%
Scandinavia 17%
Great Britain 13%
Ireland 11%
Europe West 6%
Trace Regions 8%
Italy/Greece 5%
Iberian Peninsula 3%
Middle East 1%
Asia Central < 1%

396 prairiefire  May 29, 2015 8:51:01pm

Night lizards, sleep well.

397 calochortus  May 29, 2015 8:51:31pm

re: #382 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Boys apparently also tended to leave home at about the age of 17, unless they were the eldest and in line to inherit the farm-or more commonly take over the lease of the farm, since the gentry owned the land.

Then there was the issue of population and bad weather leading to crop failures. My grandfather’s parents failed at farming and were “inhyseshjon” for several years. Inhyseshjon is charitably translated as “landless peasant,” and more commonly as “parasite.” They lost 3 infants during this period and their 6 year old daughter to scarlet fever.

No wonder Dad’s father didn’t wax nostalgic about the old country.

398 teleskiguy  May 29, 2015 8:52:38pm

re: #343 HappyWarrior

What I saw in Viscous Obama’s comment was hyperbole, I pointed out that I thought as such, with requisite downding. The fact of the matter is I came to LGF over a decade ago to get some other perspective besides GEORGE BUSH IS HITLER and I certainly found that in those days. I know it’s different now, LGF has changed for the better. I’ll call out folks here who say that Bush II was the worst thing that happened in American history, because that’s horrifying ignorance.

399 #FergusonFireside  May 29, 2015 8:53:22pm

re: #396 prairiefire

Night lizards, sleep well.

Me too

400 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 8:53:54pm

re: #398 teleskiguy

What I saw in Viscous Obama’s comment was hyperbole, I pointed out that I thought as such, with requisite downding. The fact of the matter is I came to LGF over a decade ago to get some other perspective besides GEORGE BUSH IS HITLER and I certainly found that in those days. I know it’s different now, LGF has changed for the better. I’ll call out folks here who say that Bush II was the worst thing that happened in American history, because that’s horrifying ignorance.

Fair enough. I definitely do agree with you that Bush II wasn’t the worst thing to happen in US history. I am actually amazed how he looks compared to what the party is today.

401 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 29, 2015 8:54:35pm

re: #395 HappyWarrior

These were my results by the way: And I’m also aware that the results differ slightly from sibling to sibling. I definitely have the most Eastern European appearance of my brothers. I think my brothers look much more Germanic than I do though all three of us have blue eyes.
Scandinavia 17%
Great Britain 13%
Ireland 11%
Europe West 6%
Trace Regions 8%
Italy/Greece 5%
Iberian Peninsula 3%
Middle East 1%
Asia Central < 1%

Remember Central Asia is where the Finns (and Hungarians and Bulgarians) came from. A lot of Scandinavians have “troll” blood—they’re not all Æsir, despite what they tell you.

402 Lidane  May 29, 2015 8:56:13pm
403 jaunte  May 29, 2015 8:56:23pm

re: #397 calochortus

Then there was the issue of population and bad weather leading to crop failures. My grandfather’s parents failed at farming and were “inhyseshjon” for several years. Inhyseshjon is charitably translated as “landless peasant,” and more commonly as “parasite.”

My great grandfather’s parents’ farm suffered some bad harvests, and to survive they took him to Hamburg and sent him off on a whaling ship. They got the ‘signing bonus’, he got a job at age 10, and ten years later, he left the ship in San Francisco. They corresponded, but he never saw them again.

404 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 8:57:01pm

re: #401 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Remember Central Asia is where the Finns (and Hungarians and Bulgarians) came from. A lot of Scandinavians have “troll” blood—they’re not all Æsir, despite what they tell you.

That’s right. Didn’t know that about the Bulgarians though. Knew about the Finns and Hungarians though. I am not surprised at all that the plurality is Eastern European. My mom’s grandparents all came from villages where I imagine their ancestors had lived for generations before emigrating to the US.

405 Tigger2  May 29, 2015 8:57:30pm

re: #402 Lidane

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Go hide in another country dickhead.

406 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 8:57:52pm

re: #402 Lidane

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Asshole if tyranny was in America, your stupid rally wouldn’t have been allowed to happen in the first place and no way would you have been allowed to bring your dick substitutes. Stop complaining about tyranny where there is none.

407 BeachDem  May 29, 2015 8:58:59pm

re: #388 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Thanks! I noticed today that part 1 got well over 500 hits, but the others much less, and the numbers get smaller with each installment. tl;dr, I guess. :D

Milo’s expressions as Chuck rambles on are priceless.

It took me a few minutes to find 2, 3 and 4—didn’t read the headers on them following #1—I even posted a comment about waiting for the next installment, then saw it and corrected my comment.

Maybe if you put the link to the next segment right at the end of each preceding…

Really, the expressions are priceless, particularly the first one in part 3. And Chuckle’s looks like he hasn’t bathed or washed his hair in a week and he’s sitting in a cave—what’s up with that?

408 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 9:00:09pm

re: #403 jaunte

That’s always sad to think about. You think about what our ancestors did and how for many when they left their home country it was the last time they’d ever see it but also their loved ones. I’m reminded of an Irish folk song called Spancil Hill where the narrator who has emigrated to California to take part in the Gold Rush falls asleep and dreams about his home village in Ireland. It’s a truly beautiful song.
…

409 teleskiguy  May 29, 2015 9:00:10pm

And this whole time I haven’t been addressing our fellow lizard by their proper name, which is supposed to be my custom. Viscous Obama is actually dragonath. My bad!

410 The War TARDIS  May 29, 2015 9:00:16pm

re: #393 HappyWarrior

The highest contributor to my ancestry, and the origin of my last name, is Frisian. At something like 25-30%.

Norwegian is second at 9%.

THere is British and Irish in there too.

Research shows only a tiny amount of the Basic 4, (Anglo-Saxon, Welsh, Scottish, and Irish).

No, I got the goofy ones. The Norman and Nordic groups mixed in, plus the Wallace family. And a few Anglo-Scots too.

But then, this is what you get when you can trace family names back to the 1600’s, with a number of noble families (Mom’s Dad side).

Lots of background. Unfortunately, researching the most recent contributors (Norway/Sweden and Eastern Europe), will be incredibly difficult. WWII did hell to the records.

I only found out about the Lipka Tatars a month ago, and am now curious.

When I have a family, I really want to revive some traditions from my ancestral nations. American Culture has become so much about Greed and Money, and everything has gotten really bland, at least to me.

411 BeachDem  May 29, 2015 9:00:55pm

My, my—whoever could he be talking about?

412 calochortus  May 29, 2015 9:01:01pm

re: #403 jaunte

I can’t truly imagine what it was like.
It’s enough to make me quit whining when I can’t find artichokes or something at the farmer’s market. /

413 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2015 9:01:20pm
414 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2015 9:01:40pm
415 The War TARDIS  May 29, 2015 9:01:51pm

re: #404 HappyWarrior

Mom’s side is still very curious about the unknown group on her dad’s side.

We have an unknown Central Asian or Indian contributor.

416 teleskiguy  May 29, 2015 9:03:27pm

re: #400 HappyWarrior

I am actually amazed how he looks compared to what the party is today.

George and Laura were present at Selma, AL for the 50th anniversary march across Pettus Bridge this year. My respect for the man inched up a bit when I saw that.

417 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 9:03:47pm

re: #410 The War TARDIS

The highest contributor to my ancestry, and the origin of my last name, is Frisian. At something like 25-30%.

Norwegian is second at 9%.

THere is British and Irish in there too.

Research shows only a tiny amount of the Basic 4, (Anglo-Saxon, Welsh, Scottish, and Irish).

No, I got the goofy ones. The Norman and Nordic groups mixed in, plus the Wallace family. And a few Anglo-Scots too.

But then, this is what you get when you can trace family names back to the 1600’s, with a number of noble families (Mom’s Dad side).

Lots of background. Unfortunately, researching the most recent contributors (Norway/Sweden and Eastern Europe), will be incredibly difficult. WWII did hell to the records.

I only found out about the Lipka Tatars a month ago, and am now curious.

When I have a family, I really want to revive some traditions from my ancestral nations. American Culture has become so much about Greed and Money, and everything has gotten really bland, at least to me.

Oh those are my DNA results, that’s a little different from nationality.
My national background as far as I know it is:
4/16: German
4/16: Rusyn (They were living in Slovakia tho)
4/16: Slovene
3/16: Irish
1/16: Alsace. As you know Alsace was contested for years by the Germans and French and the Alsace connection goes back far enough where I can’t tell what the ancestors were. The surname does not help at all since the surname is “Good” and I have no idea if that’s French or German.

418 calochortus  May 29, 2015 9:03:59pm

re: #415 The War TARDIS

Mom’s side is still very curious about the unknown group on her dad’s side.

We have an unknown Central Asian or Indian contributor.

That’s going to be hard to track down, but a nice addition to the mix.

419 The War TARDIS  May 29, 2015 9:05:07pm

re: #418 calochortus

There is also a very, very small Jewish contribution from Austria, about 300 years ago.

420 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 9:05:18pm

re: #416 teleskiguy

George and Laura were present at Selma, AL for the 50th anniversary march across Pettus Bridge this year. My respect for the man inched up a bit when I saw that.

I heard that he wants to perform a same sex marriage now too. Now it bothered me knowing that means no doubt he used opposition to LGBT rights as a political tool for re-election but I am also glad to see that he’s not a bigoted prick like Santorum who flat out said he wouldn’t even attend a gay relative’s wedding. I did like Laura. She didn’t deserve the hate the moonbats gave to her. The daughters are nice people too.

421 Pawn of the Oppressor  May 29, 2015 9:05:23pm

I’m late to the party, but looking at that grouping, I’m thinking Jesus Christ, was he shooting while drunk? I could group better than that standing up with a .22 when I was five. Sad… Just sad.

The depressing thing here is that Chucksie’s ego can never be starved. No matter what happens to him, that mis-wired little sociopath brain of his will re-direct the energy to keep him going. He’s like a Terminator of Assholery. There’s no such thing as shame or accountability in his universe. He will never, ever be a decent human being, and he’s figured out how to get attention in the electronic world, so we’re stuck with him until he’s marginalized off of the public stage, or one of his victims finally shows up to HIS apartment and pounds him off of it physically.

Maybe the world is becoming a kinder place. Even twenty years ago he wouldn’t have made it this far without somebody taking him into an alley and putting him in a coma. He’d either be in the hospital, or running successfully for office.

422 De Kolta Chair  May 29, 2015 9:05:43pm

re: #398 teleskiguy

What I saw in Viscous Obama’s comment was hyperbole, I pointed out that I thought as such, with requisite downding. The fact of the matter is I came to LGF over a decade ago to get some other perspective besides GEORGE BUSH IS HITLER and I certainly found that in those days. I know it’s different now, LGF has changed for the better. I’ll call out folks here who say that Bush II was the worst thing that happened in American history, because that’s horrifying ignorance.

My loathing of the Bush’s is second to none, but intertubal lib-progs need to drop that trite meme about how Prescott Bush, or one of those Connecticut yankees, was a major backer of Hitler.

But if someone wants to say that Dubya was the worst thing since sugar water was marketed as a health drink, well I’m all for that.

423 Gus  May 29, 2015 9:05:58pm

re: #402 Lidane

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424 Charles Johnson  May 29, 2015 9:06:45pm
425 jaunte  May 29, 2015 9:07:51pm

re: #402 Lidane

His wife has got to be extremely pissed that he dragged her into this.

426 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 9:08:04pm

re: #422 De Kolta Chair

My loathing of the Bush’s is second to none, but intertubal lib-progs need to drop that meme about how Prescott Bush, or one of those Connecticut yankees, was a major backer of Hitler.

But if someone wants to say that Dubya was the worst thing since sugar water was marketed as a health drink, well I’m all for that.

That one always bothered me since A) you can’t judge a man for his grandfather’s sins and B) Joe Kennedy’s relationship with the Nazis was much more cozy than Prescott Bush’s and you’re hearing this from someone who loves the Kennedy family by and large. I actually like Prescott Bush from what I know about him better than his son and grandson. It’s actually to note that Prescott Bush was a board member of Planned Parenthood in those days before the Republican Party saw Planned Parenthood as evil incarnated and I think Prescott Bush was a supporter of Civil Rights too.

427 jaunte  May 29, 2015 9:09:07pm

re: #402 Lidane

428 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 9:09:30pm

re: #427 jaunte

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And boom goes the dynamite.

429 Gus  May 29, 2015 9:12:19pm
430 freetoken  May 29, 2015 9:12:48pm

re: #378 HappyWarrior

Not sure I would trust those tests as far as picking out the details within a small region.

I’d bet that you have ancestors from all of the place. We all do. Even if you think your ancestors are colonial Americans there were lots of people form all over the place pouring into this continent. Swedes in New Sweden, lots of Germans in the 1700’s, sailors from the Med, and so forth.

431 Gus  May 29, 2015 9:13:37pm

Splat! :D

432 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 29, 2015 9:14:33pm

re: #397 calochortus

Boys apparently also tended to leave home at about the age of 17, unless they were the eldest and in line to inherit the farm-or more commonly take over the lease of the farm, since the gentry owned the land.

Then there was the issue of population and bad weather leading to crop failures. My grandfather’s parents failed at farming and were “inhyseshjon” for several years. Inhyseshjon is charitably translated as “landless peasant,” and more commonly as “parasite.” They lost 3 infants during this period and their 6 year old daughter to scarlet fever.

No wonder Dad’s father didn’t wax nostalgic about the old country.

My mom’s father was the youngest of nine kids, and the last to leave Sweden around 1900. Their parents stayed behind, too old and too settled to make the trip to America. Grandpop was the son who had to go back (twice) to deal with their deaths.

Sweden up to the 19th century was a mess. Too many people, not enough arable land, no industry to speak of, a State Church that actively stamped out competing sects, and a strict social hierarchy that prevented the poor from ascending to the middle class. So, there were all sorts of reasons for people to leave forever and not look back.

Losing all those people, meanwhile, helped Sweden change into the modern quasi-socialist nation it is now. My grandparents would not even recognize it now.

433 freetoken  May 29, 2015 9:14:33pm

Every time I look into early American history I’m always surprised at what I find. It was a wild place.

434 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 9:14:59pm

re: #430 freetoken

Not sure I would trust those tests as far as picking out the details within a small region.

I’d bet that you have ancestors from all of the place. We all do. Even if you think your ancestors are colonial Americans there were lots of people form all over the place pouring into this continent. Swedes in New Sweden, lots of Germans in the 1700’s, sailors from the Med, and so forth.

I don’t necessarily but I think it’s a good starting point. You do make a good point about colonial America though having people from all over the place.

435 freetoken  May 29, 2015 9:17:11pm

re: #434 HappyWarrior

Lots of people don’t realize that more religious refugees went to Barbados than to Massachusetts, in the early settling of the colonies. And there was a flow of people to and from Barbados and the English colonies on the mainland.

All sorts of interesting stuff happened back there.

436 lawhawk  May 29, 2015 9:18:06pm

re: #387 De Kolta Chair

I’ve been chewing over the idea of writing a book about my experiences with all this - the medical community, end of life care, and the whole enchilada. It would be irreverent and uncouth, and full of expletives, because when you’re dealing with something like this, sailors will blush at your language.

And then cheer because you’ve bested them at their own game.

437 Viscous Obama  May 29, 2015 9:18:43pm

re: #398 teleskiguy

What I saw in Viscous Obama’s comment was hyperbole, I pointed out that I thought as such, with requisite downding. The fact of the matter is I came to LGF over a decade ago to get some other perspective besides GEORGE BUSH IS HITLER and I certainly found that in those days. I know it’s different now, LGF has changed for the better. I’ll call out folks here who say that Bush II was the worst thing that happened in American history, because that’s horrifying ignorance.

Bush was pretty shitty, but I wonder what he could have been. You certainly got a interesting perspective when you neighbors and colleagues were excoriating you for not supporting the Iraq War, and sadly, he enabled a lot of it.

Honestly, the last two years of Bush weren’t that bad, had the economy not died on his watch. He was able to clean house in the Defense Department after the election and signed a bill creating the largest marine sanctuary in the world, which must have been a gratifying experience for him. He really could have been a relatively popular conservative politician. His speech after the crash was the only time after 9/11 where I felt like he was able to speak to the country as a whole, and the GOP repaid him by voting against TARP.

438 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 9:19:02pm

re: #435 freetoken

Lots of people don’t realize that more religious refugees went to Barbados than to Massachusetts, in the early settling of the colonies. And there was a flow of people to and from Barbados and the English colonies on the mainland.

All sorts of interesting stuff happened back there.

Hamilton was born on the Virgin Islands wasn’t he? You’re right. A lot of movement not just to the mainland US during those times. The Caribbean saw a ton of emigration.

439 Whack-A-Mole  May 29, 2015 9:20:21pm

re: #402 Lidane

Yeah, going into hiding because of death threats. Makes for a nice excuse to set up a GoFundMe, dunnit? He probably started the whole thing just to get on the grift.

440 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 29, 2015 9:20:34pm

re: #407 BeachDem

Maybe if you put the link to the next segment right at the end of each preceding…

I did, probably after you read them and just before I went to bed.

Really, the expressions are priceless, particularly the first one in part 3. And Chuckle’s looks like he hasn’t bathed or washed his hair in a week and he’s sitting in a cave—what’s up with that?

I think it’s his “home office.” From the acoustics and lighting, I suspect it’s in the basement of the house. When he did his videos with Peter Duke, I thought the room was featureless — just plain white walls — but in Milo’s video I can just barely see two pictures hanging on the wall on either side of Chuck.

Considering Twitter was his constant companion (tweeting while folding laundry - really?), not having his addiction available must be pretty hard on him.

441 freetoken  May 29, 2015 9:20:41pm

re: #438 HappyWarrior

I bet only a very small fraction of people can accurately trace their family tree all the way back to 1600.

442 teleskiguy  May 29, 2015 9:22:03pm

re: #388 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Thanks! I noticed today that part 1 got well over 500 hits, but the others much less, and the numbers get smaller with each installment. tl;dr, I guess. :D

Milo’s expressions as Chuck rambles on are priceless.

I read the whole thing! All I need to know about that stupid 70 minute interview. I think it took me 10 or 15 minutes to read all four parts. You’re doing a great service wheatdogg! I don’t know how you do it. I tried to watch the interview myself and I ended up UpChucking on my lap and pooping on the floor!*

*no, the lapse of body functions did not actually happen, I just got bored and stopped watching. UpChuck says the word “like” a lot.

443 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 9:22:28pm

re: #437 Viscous Obama

Bush was pretty shitty, but I wonder what he could have been. You certainly got a interesting perspective when you neighbors and colleagues were excoriating you for not supporting the Iraq War, and sadly, he enabled a lot of it.

Honestly, the last two years of Bush weren’t that bad, had the economy not died on his watch. He was able to clean house in the Defense Department and signed a bill creating the largest marine sanctuary in the world, which must have been a gratifying experience for him. He really could have been a relatively popular conservative politician. His speech after the crash was the only time after 9/11 where I felt like he was able to speak to the country as a whole, and the GOP repaid him by voting against TARP.

Where I grew more respect for Bush was seeing how genuinely tolerant he is about immigrants compared to the rest of the right. Like I think the guy genuinely does realize that your average immigrant just wants to make a better life for their family. I mean, I’ll admit it, I mocked his Spanish but looking back on it with more mature eyes, I realize that it was an attempt to be welcoming to immigrants which really is a nice contrast from the present GOP which acts like the DREAM Act will invite ISIS in. I think the big Bush fuck up was letting Cheney name himself VP. No idea who else Bush considered for VP but most of them would have been better than Cheney was. You make a good point about the defense department too. Bush fired Rummy and brought in Gates who was a reasonable voice.

444 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 9:23:02pm

re: #441 freetoken

I bet only a very small fraction of people can accurately trace their family tree all the way back to 1600.

I’ll go a step further and say 1800.

445 De Kolta Chair  May 29, 2015 9:23:58pm

re: #426 HappyWarrior

That one always bothered me since A) you can’t judge a man for his grandfather’s sins and B) Joe Kennedy’s relationship with the Nazis was much more cozy than Prescott Bush’s and you’re hearing this from someone who loves the Kennedy family by and large. I actually like Prescott Bush from what I know about him better than his son and grandson. It’s actually to note that Prescott Bush was a board member of Planned Parenthood in those days before the Republican Party saw Planned Parenthood as evil incarnated and I think Prescott Bush was a supporter of Civil Rights too.

Agreed. 41 and 43 were godawful enough without dragging in a bunch of ahistorical history. Hopefully, Web 3.0 will fix all that. ////

446 calochortus  May 29, 2015 9:24:48pm

re: #432 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It’s so easy to see Sweden in the late 19th century through the lens of Carl Larsson paintings and I suppose there were some people who lived like that, but certainly not my family. It must have been pretty grim.

Which makes me wonder where my grandfather got the ambition and enough money to further his education, going first to Germany and then Chicago to attend college (he became a minister.)

447 teleskiguy  May 29, 2015 9:25:08pm

re: #429 Gus

Gus haz embarassing amounts of LGF updings

448 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 9:26:21pm

re: #445 De Kolta Chair

Agreed, 41 and 4 were bad enough without dragging in a bunch of ahistorical history. Hopefully, Web 3.0 will fix all that. ////

I mean if there were evidence of Prescott Bush saying Anti-Semitic things or having opposed Jewish emigration during the Nazi period then I may buy it a little but as I said, sins of the grandfather. I don’t think you can judge JFK, RFK, and Teddy for Joe’s Anti-Semitism so I would apply the same standard to Dubya and his Dad.

449 freetoken  May 29, 2015 9:28:32pm

re: #446 calochortus

Which reminds me once again of how looney some of the faux historians of the wingnuts are. They want to paint America as being built by people wanting “religious liberty”. But that is only partially true. Most people came here because life was crappy in the old world and they wanted to escape that.

Economics, not religion, drove the founding of European colonization.

450 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 9:30:55pm

re: #449 freetoken

Which reminds me once again of how looney some of the faux historians of the wingnuts are. They want to paint America as being built by people wanting “religious liberty”. But that is only partially true. Most people came here because life was crappy in the old world and they wanted to escape that.

Economics, not religion, drove the founding of European colonization.

Religious liberty was part of the driving force for many of the New England colonists however it’s not like colonial Massachusetts became a beacon of religious freedom either. And definitely right on about economics. Being a Virginian, we learn a lot about the Virginia Company’s role in pushing colonization of Virginia and how Pocohontas’s husband John Rolfe played a big role in making tobacco a cash crop that made the empire a lot of money.

451 calochortus  May 29, 2015 9:31:11pm

re: #449 freetoken

Even some of the folks on the Mayflower, the Fortune, etc. were coming for economic reasons or adventure, not religion.

452 De Kolta Chair  May 29, 2015 9:31:41pm

re: #446 calochortus

It’s so easy to see Sweden in the late 19th century through the lens of Carl Larsson paintings and I suppose there were some people who lived like that, but certainly not my family. It must have been pretty grim.

Which makes me wonder where my grandfather got the ambition and enough money to further his education, going first to Germany and then Chicago to attend college (he became a minister.)

Have you ever seen the 1948 movie I Remember Mama? Quite sentimental, and yet beautiful. Maybe it was because it was adapted from a very popular play, so they couldn’t change it too much, but for once Hollywood presented a working class family, in this case a Swedish immigrant family in San Francisco, with respect. And all of the cast was terrific.

453 calochortus  May 29, 2015 9:31:49pm

And with that, I think it’s time to say good night, lizards. Hasta mañana.

454 calochortus  May 29, 2015 9:33:08pm

re: #452 De Kolta Chair

Have you ever seen the 1948 movie I Remember Mama? Quite sentimental, and yet beautiful. Maybe it was because it adapted from a very popular play, so they couldn’t change it too much, but for once Hollywood presented a working class family with respect. And all the cast were terrific.

Yes indeed. I suspect the Scandinavian working classes were considered ‘higher class’ than say, southern Europeans, so it was OK to show them as having dignity.

455 teleskiguy  May 29, 2015 9:33:38pm

re: #437 Viscous Obama

Bush was pretty shitty, but I wonder what he could have been. You certainly got a interesting perspective when you neighbors and colleagues were excoriating you for not supporting the Iraq War, and sadly, he enabled a lot of it.

Wut?!?

456 The War TARDIS  May 29, 2015 9:33:38pm

re: #446 calochortus

If I am not mistaken, wasn’t Scandinavia one of the poorest parts of Europe in the 1800’s?

457 sagehen  May 29, 2015 9:34:07pm

re: #450 HappyWarrior

Religious liberty was part of the driving force for many of the New England colonists however it’s not like colonial Massachusetts became a beacon of religious freedom either. And definitely right on about economics. Being a Virginian, we learn a lot about the Virginia Company’s role in pushing colonization of Virginia and how Pocohontas’s husband John Rolfe played a big role in making tobacco a cash crop that made the empire a lot of money.

The whole reason there’s a Rhode Island is because “religious freedom” in Massachussetts Bay Colony was only for those who strictly adhered to one very specific denomination. Roger Smith and his followers were run out with torches and pitchforks.

458 calochortus  May 29, 2015 9:36:45pm

re: #456 The War TARDIS

If I am not mistaken, wasn’t Scandinavia one of the poorest parts of Europe in the 1800’s?

You’re probably correct. Things were often pretty bad, though things seemed to be better for the branch of my family that was in Finland (which of course isn’t truly Scandinavian, but my ancestors there were of primarily Swedish extraction.)

Anyway, truly out now.

459 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 9:37:30pm

re: #457 sagehen

The whole reason there’s a Rhode Island is because “religious freedom” in Massachussetts Bay Colony was only for those who strictly adhered to one very specific denomination. Roger Smith and his followers were run out with torches and pitchforks.

Williams not to be a pedant since this is absolutely right on. And I believe Connecticut was also founded under similar circumstances. We like to picture the pilgrims fleeing religious persecution in England and they most certainly were doing that but we ignore that they weren’t exactly tolerant to people who didn’t subscribe to their religious worldview. I think I remember hearing that Cromwell came very close to emigrating to America at one point. Interesting to ponder how that would have changed both British and American history.

460 freetoken  May 29, 2015 9:37:35pm

re: #456 The War TARDIS

If I am not mistaken, wasn’t Scandinavia one of the poorest parts of Europe in the 1800’s?

In many parts, yes. The lack of farmland was always a problem. And the verb “viking” really expresses the role of the population moving into and exploiting their neighbors because of the wealth and especially the land to be had.

The Danelaw allowed Denmark to have resources that they couldn’t have had in Norway and Sweden.

After the black death the population of Norway was probably less than 200 thousand people. As that grew afterwards they simply didn’t have enough farmland, which is why seafood is so important. Sweden was better off but also had more people and thus the same problem.

461 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 9:38:54pm

Interesting learning all this about Scandinavia in this time period. Not really a region I know a ton about. Yet another reason why this is a great blog.

462 De Kolta Chair  May 29, 2015 9:40:47pm

re: #448 HappyWarrior

I mean if there were evidence of Prescott Bush saying Anti-Semitic things or having opposed Jewish emigration during the Nazi period then I may buy it a little but as I said, sins of the grandfather. I don’t think you can judge JFK, RFK, and Teddy for Joe’s Anti-Semitism so I would apply the same standard to Dubya and his Dad.

Again, agreed. Not to defend Prescott Bush, who was extremely progressive compared to the GOP of today, but the majority of his fellow Congress folk, Dems and Reps alike, were all for quotas. Back then being an asshole was considered the norm. (I’m being a tad simplistic here, but I’m also a bit sleepy and tipsy.)

As for Joe Kennedy, his sad sorry self-involved self-destructive story is worthy of a Shakespearean tragedy.

463 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 9:45:06pm

re: #462 De Kolta Chair

Again, agreed. Not to defend Prescott Bush, but the majority of his fellow Congress folk, Dems and Reps, were all for quotas. Back then being an asshole was considered the norm. (I’m being a tad simplistic here, but I’m also a bit sleepy and tipsy.)

As for Joe Kennedy, his sad self-involved self-destructive story is worthy of a Shakespearean tragedy.

Right. Many in both parties didn’t really Nazi Germany as a problem sadly until they declared war on us. There’s a reason why historians consider it a blunder that the Nazis declared war on us. If one listens to FDR’s Day of Infamy speech, notice he asks for a declaration of war against Japan not Germany. A lot of Americans saw the “European War” as their problem not ours. Now it’s certainly true that most Americans were sympathetic to the Allies but it’s also true that many Americans weren’t eager to rush into help the Allies either which is part of why I resent peacemakers constantly being likened to Chamberlain. There’s a lot of hindsight bias there and ignoring American reluctance to enter WWII and furthermore ignoring the reason for that reluctance.

464 Xamichee  May 29, 2015 9:45:07pm

re: #53 Backwoods_Sleuth

Shannon via the new @gotnewsresearch twitter account is now linking to GotNews.
That should get the account suspended.

465 freetoken  May 29, 2015 9:45:37pm

re: #461 HappyWarrior

The big scholar of medieval Norway was Oluf Rygh. His work on the remaining manuscripts and letters, etc., of the time are the reference used for lots of Norwegian research. I don’t know who is equivalent is in Denmark and Sweden. The Swedish royalty have a more continuous history than Norway and Denmark I think, which might help in writing some of the history.

Importantly, the history of the North is interwined with the German speaking people (from whom the written script was adopted around Christianization) and the British Isles.

We like to think that nothing much happened back then, compared to France or Italy, but from Moscow to Edinburgh there was lots of east-west interaction.

466 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 29, 2015 9:46:43pm

re: #462 De Kolta Chair

As for Joe Kennedy, his sad sorry self-involved self-destructive story is worthy of a Shakespearean tragedy.

I liked in Robert Harris’ novel Fatherland (which was butchered unmercifully by Showtime into a made-for-TV movie), everyone is gearing up for a much-anticipated visit by President Kennedy to celebrate Hitler’s 75th birthday and bury the hatchet between the two countries. It takes you a minute to realize that “President Kennedy” is Joe.

467 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 9:48:46pm

re: #465 freetoken

The big scholar of medieval Norway was Oluf Rygh. His work on the remaining manuscripts and letters, etc., of the time are the reference used for lots of Norwegian research. I don’t know who is equivalent is in Denmark and Sweden. The Swedish royalty have a more continuous history than Norway and Denmark I think, which might help in writing some of the history.

Importantly, the history of the North is interwined with the German speaking people (from whom the written script was adopted around Christianization) and the British Isles.

We like to think that nothing much happened back then, compared to France or Italy, but from Moscow to Edinburgh there was lots of east-west interaction.

Thanks. I really want to read more medieval history some of these days. Most of my history classes were in modern times.

468 The War TARDIS  May 29, 2015 9:50:01pm

re: #465 freetoken

Caliphate-to-Viking contact too.

469 Viscous Obama  May 29, 2015 9:53:21pm

re: #455 teleskiguy

you, your, you

>:(

470 BeachDem  May 29, 2015 9:54:57pm

re: #440 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I did, probably after you read them and just before I went to bed.

Ah, yes—I see them now. And I was mistaken—it is the 2nd Milo face in part three—the “Come again?” look that absolutely slayed me.

He (Milo) is a strange looking dude, but he certainly has an expressive face.

471 De Kolta Chair  May 29, 2015 9:55:35pm

re: #466 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

As for Joe Kennedy, his sad sorry self-involved self-destructive story is worthy of a Shakespearean tragedy.

I liked in Robert Harris’ novel Fatherland (which was butchered unmercifully by Showtime into a made-for-TV movie), everyone is gearing up for a much-anticipated visit by President Kennedy to celebrate Hitler’s 75th birthday and bury the hatchet between the two countries. It takes you a minute to realize that “President Kennedy” is Joe.

I haven’t read that, but Richard Condon’s mid-seventies novel “Winter Kills” is a very funny send up of JFK conspiracy theories. [Spoiler alert: Papa Joe was behind it.] When Condon was at his best, as he was with “The Manchurian Candidate,” he was unbeatable as a political satirist, and “Winter Kills” is also Condon at his best.

The 1979 movie adaptation, starring Jeff Bridges and John Huston, is worth checking out.

472 freetoken  May 29, 2015 9:56:24pm

re: #467 HappyWarrior

The Hanseatic League was a force that helped mix Scandinavia with the rest of Northen Europe. It’s a part of history that many people miss, but it also explains why it is nearly impossible on those DNA tests to tease apart ancestry from this or that Northern European region.

People got around a lot more than I think some moderns believe.

473 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 9:58:49pm

re: #472 freetoken

The Hanseatic League was a force that helped mix Scandinavia with the rest of Northen Europe. It’s a part of history that many people miss, but it also explains why it is nearly impossible on those DNA tests to tease apart ancestry from this or that Northern European region.

People got around a lot more than I think some moderns believe.

Wow I had never heard of the Hanseatic League before. Very interesting to see this before both the Age of Exploration and the Industrial Revolution.

474 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 29, 2015 9:59:55pm

re: #472 freetoken

The Hanseatic League was a force that helped mix Scandinavia with the rest of Northen Europe. It’s a part of history that many people miss, but it also explains why it is nearly impossible on those DNA tests to tease apart ancestry from this or that Northern European region.

People got around a lot more than I think some moderns believe.

Also, when you talk about the Swedish Empire, people look at you like you’re nuts. No, George Costanza—there’s no such thing as a “Latvian Orthodox Church”. They became Lutherans when they were part of…the Swedish Empire!

475 Higgs Boson's Mate  May 29, 2015 10:01:05pm

re: #295 freetoken

Cosplay for haters.

Makes me wonder just how powerless they feel in their everyday lives.

476 BeachDem  May 29, 2015 10:02:35pm

re: #444 HappyWarrior

I’ll go a step further and say 1800.

Or, in my case, the late 1800s, when they left western Russia/Ukraine—not a lot of good records of Jewish families in that area. And not a lot of good record-keepers in the gang who came over.

Plus, many of them took the names of their sponsors here, rather than the family name—i.e. one of my grandfathers had two brothers who came to the US, and they all ended up with different surnames. The ones who died in the pogroms, and the few who went to Australia—who the hell knows what names they took with them.

477 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 10:04:28pm

re: #474 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Also, when you talk about the Swedish Empire, people look at you like you’re nuts. No, George Costanza—there’s no such thing as a “Latvian Orthodox Church”. They became Lutherans when they were part of…the Swedish Empire!

A lot of Finns are Lutherans too aren’t they? Now what I’ve found interesting in my studies is how German speakers get around. We all know about the infamous Sudentland in what is today the Czech Republic there was also the Volga Germans and the Baltic Germans which I believe famous Russian PM Sergei Witte was descended from. I believe also that Transylvania historically had a lot of German speakers as well. We also have to realize another thing. Nationalism as we know it as a fairly new thing that came in with the Napoleonic wars. Our ancestors likely didn’t think of themselves as “I’m ethnic group A but rather I’m region A.” This was probably especially true in modern Germany and Italy where the country was not unified until much later. Italy as we know it I think has really only existed since the 20’s. I think it was a big fight with the church that got Rome to be part of the Italian state.

478 BeachDem  May 29, 2015 10:07:00pm

re: #452 De Kolta Chair

Have you ever seen the 1948 movie I Remember Mama? Quite sentimental, and yet beautiful. Maybe it was because it was adapted from a very popular play, so they couldn’t change it too much, but for once Hollywood presented a working class family, in this case a Swedish immigrant family in San Francisco, with respect. And all of the cast was terrific.

I remember watching the TV show “I Remember Mama” with Peggy Wood as Mama when I was little. (Must have seen the later seasons, as it started in 1949, and I was born in 1948!)

imdb.com

479 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 10:07:51pm

re: #476 BeachDem

Or, in my case, the late 1800s, when they left western Russia/Ukraine—not a lot of good records of Jewish families in that area. And not a lot of good record-keepers in the gang who came over.

Plus, many of them took the names of their sponsors here, rather than the family name—i.e. one of my grandfathers had two brothers who came to the US, and they all ended up with different surnames. The ones who died in the pogroms, and the few who went to Australia—who the hell knows what names they took with them.

With my mom’s dad’s grandparents. All I know is their names since Pennsylvania thankfully had parents listed on the death certificates but even that’s tough since my grandfather has three different spellings of his name and some siblings kept the name that the parents used and were buried with and others like my grandfather adapted a different name. It’s funny since his parents’ home country- Slovenia is by far the smallest of the nations I’ve been researching my tree on but by far the most elusive. Germany by contrast i the largest and I’ve had perhaps the most success with it since the old saying about the Germans being detailed record keepers is true. I’ve gone back the furthest with my German ancestors.

480 De Kolta Chair  May 29, 2015 10:10:40pm

re: #478 BeachDem

I remember watching the TV show “I Remember Mama” with Peggy Wood as Mama when I was little. (Must have seen the later seasons, as it started in 1949, and I was born in 1948!)

I’m a tad younger than you, but I caught it in syndication in the early sixties and have fond memories of watching it with my folks, who never missed anything on the tube or at the movies that had to do with immigrants, being that their parents were immigrants to this weird and wacky country.

For instance, my dad, who was first-generation Irish, was a big fan of the Sean Connery flick “The Molly McGuires,” which is about Irish-American coal miners. Have you seen that? A good flick but not a great flick, but it has excellent photography by the brilliant James Wong Howe, himself a first-generation immigrant.

481 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 10:14:54pm

I always did like that one scene at the beginning of Godfather Part II where you see all the immigrants of all the various nationalities and young Vito Corleone being among them. I always watch that scene and try to imagine my own ancestors experiences when they first arrived in one of our port cities.

482 BeachDem  May 29, 2015 10:17:36pm

re: #480 De Kolta Chair

I’m a tad younger than you, but I caught it in syndication in the early sixties and have fond memories of watching it with my folks, who never missed anything on the tube or movies that had to do with immigrants, being that their parents were immigrants to this weird and wacky country.

I still remember the opening scene, where they’re turning the pages of an album, and the sister says:

This old album makes me remember so many things in the past. San Francisco and the house on Steiner Street where I was born. It brings back memories of my cousins, aunts, and uncles; all the boys and girls I grew up with. And I remember my family as we were then. My brother Nels, my little sister Dagmar, and of course, Papa. But most of all when I look back to those days so long ago, most of all, I remember Mama.

Note—I remember the scene and the “most all, I remember Mama”; the rest I found at imdb.

It was a definite “must watch” in our house in the 50s (crap, I’m old!)

483 freetoken  May 29, 2015 10:18:02pm

re: #473 HappyWarrior

Wow I had never heard of the Hanseatic League before. Very interesting to see this before both the Age of Exploration and the Industrial Revolution.

They were, I think, one of the instigators of the age of exploration (along with the Italian states and rise of the kingdom of Spain). The Hanseatic traders would rely on sea trade, so there was a big market for ship building. Typically they would go to Norway to get lumber (the oak of southern Norway apparently the preferred ship building material), and then construct their ships in their port towns, and travel long distances to trade.

It’s why the Dutch would play such an outsized role in colonization. The region was already on the cutting edge of sea faring trade.

In my mind I summarize the era of one of an arms race, in this case for ships. Italian states, newly developing Spain, the remnants of the Hanseatic league - all competing to be on the cutting edge.

484 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 10:20:40pm

re: #483 freetoken

They were, I think, one of the instigators of the age of exploration (along with the Italian states and rise of the kingdom of Spain). The Hanseatic traders would rely on sea trade, so there was a big market for ship building. Typically they would go to Norway to get lumber (the oak of southern Norway apparently the preferred ship building material), and then construct their ships in their port towns, and travel long distances to trade.

It’s why the Dutch would play such an outsized role in colonization. The region was already on the cutting edge of sea faring trade.

In my mind I summarize the era of one of an arms race, in this case for ships. Italian states, newly developing Spain, the remnants of the Hanseatic league - all competing to be on the cutting edge.

Yes, this makes sense. I like your arms race point. I had never thought about it that way but it’s a good point considering the competition these countries had overseas and domestically.

485 freetoken  May 29, 2015 10:25:54pm

re: #484 HappyWarrior

Yes, this makes sense. I like your arms race point. I had never thought about it that way but it’s a good point considering the competition these countries had overseas and domestically.

The arms race - and there always are arm races - was centered on naval power for so many states/cities back then. The farther and faster one could sail the better.

The invention of the gunpowder hand weapon would I suppose be seen as the big technological advance. But controlling movement by sea was the strategic center of inter-state politics. Most European states have ports. It’s one reason, I think, why Europe got moving so quickly regarding economies. It’s a lot easier to ship goods by sea than by overland.

486 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 10:28:11pm

re: #485 freetoken

The arms race - and there always are arm races - was centered on naval power for so many states/cities back then. The farther and faster one could sail the better.

The invention of the gunpowder hand weapon would I suppose be seen as the big technological advance. But controlling movement by sea was the strategic center of inter-state politics. Most European states have ports. It’s one reason, I think, why Europe got moving so quickly regarding economies. It’s a lot easier to ship goods by sea than by overland.

Yeah don’t historians talk about a naval arms race when discussing pre-WWI Germany and Britain too? I definitely agree with you with in regards to why Europe’s economy took off due to the many ports. The vast majority of European nation-states at that time either had access to an ocean or large sea like the Mediterranean or North. In fact, I think I read a book review for a book that discusses the rise in the North Sea as an important trading post.

487 freetoken  May 29, 2015 10:33:41pm

re: #486 HappyWarrior

Because the British Isles are in fact islands, seafaring is really important.

But for continental Europe that was true too. How could there be the prosperous city states on the Italian peninsula be without ports?

Sea travel is still under appreciated today - it makes our economies work.

488 De Kolta Chair  May 29, 2015 10:35:18pm

re: #481 HappyWarrior

I always did like that one scene at the beginning of Godfather Part II where you see all the immigrants of all the various nationalities and young Vito Corleone being among them. I always watch that scene and try to imagine my own ancestors experiences when they first arrived in one of our port cities.

I love those scenes as well, and it’s a great movie, but I always chuckle at how they show the ship heading out of New York harbor instead of towards Ellis Island. Movie magic! ;-)

489 BeachDem  May 29, 2015 10:38:28pm

re: #488 De Kolta Chair

Are you still here—I found a few Mama episodes that have been archived. Haven’t looked at them yet, so don’t know the quality, but here’s the link if you’re interested.

archive.org

490 De Kolta Chair  May 29, 2015 10:47:48pm

re: #489 BeachDem

Are you still here—I found a few Mama episodes that have been archived. Haven’t looked at them yet, so don’t know the quality, but here’s the link if you’re interested.

archive.org

Tack så mycket, Beach! [If I got that wrong, thank Google Translation and of course blame Obama ;-)]

491 nickzi  May 29, 2015 11:19:57pm

“Free Chuck C Johnson!”

Five hours pass…

“As our second offer, we’ll pay you to take him away!”

Five hours pass…

“As our third offer, you get money and a lifetime supply of chocolate”

Five hours pass…

“Limited availability Chuck C Johnson now available with lifetime supply of chocolate, cash for you to remove him and a guarantee that Donald Trump will never speak in public again…”

Five hours pass…

“Ok, that’s it. I am now a believer in reincarnation, because the next life has to be better than one involving Chuck C Johnson…”

492 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2015 6:59:38am

re: #372 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’d have to get a full DNA scan, which are really expensive, because the Roma would have come from a male ancestor not in my paternal line. My mtDNA test did not turn up anything conclusively Roma-ish, though that particular haplotype (U2) appears in some Central European Roma populations.

Late to this, but I had a DNA thing done. My maternal haploid group is K1, a subset of U8b’K.
Mom’s mom was Slovak (got that traced back to my gg grandparents to Zipov Presov, Slovakia), Mom’s dad was 100% Roma. My father’s side is Irish.

493 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2015 7:11:09am

re: #441 freetoken

I bet only a very small fraction of people can accurately trace their family tree all the way back to 1600.

MrBWS has his direct paternal line traced and documented back that far.

494 urbanmeemaw  May 30, 2015 7:52:20am

re: #386 lawhawk

{{{{{{lawhawk and family}}}}}}}}

495 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2015 7:58:11am

Just logged into 23andMe for the first time in 3 months and see my brother’s results are finally there. Paternal haplogroup is I2b1* — Doggerland. Wow.

496 Eric The Fruit Bat  May 30, 2015 1:23:58pm

Now let’s see what happens with this one.

497 retired cynic  May 30, 2015 3:15:43pm

re: #372 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’d have to get a full DNA scan, which are really expensive, because the Roma would have come from a male ancestor not in my paternal line. My mtDNA test did not turn up anything conclusively Roma-ish, though that particular haplotype (U2) appears in some Central European Roma populations.

Oddly enough, legend in my husband’s family is that his great grandfather was on the wrong side of the blanket from Swedish royalty, coming here from Sweden 100+ years ago.


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