Overnight Podcast: The Bob and Chez Show, 5/28/15 - and by the Way, Chuck Johnson Is Back on Twitter Again

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Here’s the latest edition of The Bubble Genius Bob & Chez Show for your podcast-listening enjoyment.

And by the way… Chuck Johnson has sneaked back onto Twitter again. He’s now using the @GotNewsResearch account, and is up to his old tricks. Time for all LGF readers to report this guy for targeted abuse once again.

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1 VegasGolfer  May 29, 2015 9:21:16pm
2 HappyWarrior  May 29, 2015 9:24:06pm

re: #1 VegasGolfer

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lol. Oh boy.

3 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 29, 2015 9:25:50pm

re: #1 VegasGolfer

Read the terms of service, idiot. It’s like a contract. You sign it, and Twitter can do whatever the TOS says it can do.

Saying Twitter is a public utility does not make it so. Chuck was saying in his interview with Milo that there was “all this talk” about Twitter being a utility. All that talk is in his head, or maybe with his shyster lawyer.

What a bunch of spoiled idiot children they are.

4 Kragar  May 29, 2015 9:29:47pm
5 WhatEVs  May 29, 2015 9:33:39pm

re: #4 Kragar

6 goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2015 9:36:32pm
7 Viscous Obama  May 29, 2015 9:54:08pm

I didn’t know Twitter was a country

8 teleskiguy  May 29, 2015 10:01:35pm
9 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 29, 2015 10:03:09pm

BTW, peoples, after Beach_Dem called it to my attention, I fixed the link in part 1 of the Milo-Chuck Comedy Hour. I realized after the first cup of morning coffee that the original link text (“To be continued”) suggested the next part was not yet available. I’ve fixed it to be more clear the other parts do exist.

10 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 29, 2015 10:04:40pm

re: #8 teleskiguy

But UpChuck says his white supremacists friends say they just want to be left alone, so they can live in peace in their little whites-only compounds.

11 Targetpractice  May 29, 2015 10:05:21pm

Can’t find time in their release schedule for a Tron sequel, can find time for a movie about a white guy who laid claim to land in Africa so his daughter could be a “princess.”

12 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 29, 2015 10:06:42pm

All Russian military deaths are now state secrets. Guess Putin learned that from Bush.

13 teleskiguy  May 29, 2015 10:07:58pm

re: #9 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I read it on my iPad. Just followed the links at the bottom. “Stay Tuned” “And The Answer To This Question Next” etc.

Seriously, great work. I admire your Princetonian mind, and your patience with toxic fools like UpChuck. And the fact that you write all this shit from China, the great Firewall.

14 darthstar  May 29, 2015 10:10:52pm

Ah, so he finally realized editor at gotnews dot com was a flagged email for Twitter. Oh well, shit happens.

15 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 29, 2015 10:23:29pm

re: #13 teleskiguy

Thanks, and I like the School of Rock gif, too.

16 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 29, 2015 10:25:41pm

re: #14 darthstar

Ah, so he finally realized editor at gotnews dot com was a flagged email for Twitter. Oh well, shit happens.

Yeah, funny thing that. He’s mentioned it every chance he gets, so it’s probably ended up in a lot of followers’ tweets.

I should create an email addy at gotnwes.com just to see what happens. {Looks slyly to the right, and snickers.}

ADDENDUM: Actually, I can’t, since gotnwes is a subdomain of wheatdogg.com, so editor AT gotnwes DOT com probably wouldn’t work.

17 teleskiguy  May 29, 2015 10:36:09pm

I’m inserting this into LGF’s image bank.

18 BeachDem  May 29, 2015 10:42:27pm
19 De Kolta Chair  May 29, 2015 11:01:06pm

With apologies to Messrs. Harold Arlen and Johnny Mercer:

It’s quarter to two
And nobody’s in the place
Except me and you

So set ‘em Joe
I got a little story
You really don’t wanna know

I’m drinking my friend
To the end
Of that gross Chuck C. Johnson episode

So make it one for my baby
And one more for the road

20 Kragar  May 29, 2015 11:15:38pm
21 De Kolta Chair  May 29, 2015 11:24:44pm

re: #20 Kragar

Nice try, creep, but even that giant key won’t get you out of your parents’ basement.

22 De Kolta Chair  May 29, 2015 11:30:31pm

re: #20 Kragar

This is how it’s done, son

Some things are best left to the professionals. ///
23 De Kolta Chair  May 29, 2015 11:50:48pm

This comic panel pretty much sums it up for me. ‘Night lizards, catch ya on the rebop.

24 goddamnedfrank  May 30, 2015 12:04:57am

Straight racist trolling.

25 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 30, 2015 12:10:21am

re: #24 goddamnedfrank

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Straight racist trolling.

Is that for real, or a spoof? It’s believable , either way.

26 goddamnedfrank  May 30, 2015 12:21:33am

re: #25 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Is that for real, or a spoof? It’s believable , either way.

Oh it’s real. I posted it as a Grab in case the account gets suspended.

27 goddamnedfrank  May 30, 2015 12:23:51am

I guarantee you that Chuck ordered Shannon to post that. It’s his voice.

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28 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 30, 2015 12:38:35am

re: #27 goddamnedfrank

Roger that

29 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 30, 2015 12:49:30am

re: #27 goddamnedfrank

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30 goddamnedfrank  May 30, 2015 12:53:06am

re: #29 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

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31 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 30, 2015 12:55:02am

re: #30 goddamnedfrank

I did so. I’ll get back to you in a moment.

32 goddamnedfrank  May 30, 2015 12:56:02am
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33 Nyet  May 30, 2015 1:02:18am

Gingergate?

34 Nyet  May 30, 2015 1:04:58am

re: #20 Kragar

They make dildos key-shaped these days?

35 goddamnedfrank  May 30, 2015 1:05:46am
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36 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 30, 2015 1:08:15am

re: #35 goddamnedfrank

pas de probleme

37 Nyet  May 30, 2015 1:18:30am

So, Amanda Hess seems to specialize in defending all kinds of twitter shitheads who need to get the boot: slate.com

38 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 30, 2015 1:20:02am

OK, one project done. Now working on another.

39 Nyet  May 30, 2015 1:31:24am

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40 goddamnedfrank  May 30, 2015 1:38:17am

re: #37 Nyet

So, Amanda Hess seems to specialize in defending all kinds of twitter shitheads who need to get the boot: slate.com

She has no problem understanding harassment when (white) women are the target.

She’s clearly in the pay per click phase of her writing career. The CCJ/Deray article carved out a deliberately controversial position and blithely stealth quoted neo nazi Auernheimer because she needed page views. Also, it aids her view that clout and power is all that really matters to Twitter’s management, which if she’d stopped there would contain a strong kernel of truth. Unfortunately she also felt it necessary to throw in a bunch of false equivalence, nonsense about “transparency” and ridiculous political pandering bullshit to pull in the idiotic snake person demographic.

41 Nyet  May 30, 2015 1:42:13am

Occupy!

42 Nyet  May 30, 2015 1:43:37am

“Conservative revolution” has always been a codeword for literal fascism.

43 goddamnedfrank  May 30, 2015 1:48:54am

I really don’t understand the fixation a lot of writers have about needing consistency and clearly identified rules of conduct on Twitter. I think the problem is the overall lack of moderation, not that innocent people might get inadvertently banned by poorly delineated rules. Adults know when they’re acting like assholes, when they’re lashing out, what the rules are.

Would you accept some random guy threatening your Mom, doxing your sister, creeping on your daughter? No? Then don’t do it to anybody else, male or female.

Do you expect to be forgiven two, three or more times for acting like a dick in a private brick and mortar establishment? No? Then you absolutely do not need a rule spelling out for you exactly how many conduct violations you’re allowed before a free online service gets fed up enough with you to send you packing.

44 Nyet  May 30, 2015 1:54:08am

re: #43 goddamnedfrank

I’m of two minds about this. On one hand, consistency is always appreciated, just as a matter of principle. On the other hand, Twitter, as a private company, doesn’t have to be consistent. It’s their right to ban whoever they choose on whatever laughable - or respectable - pretexts.

Also, it’s not a public utility, it’s a site about sending 140-character messages. Sometimes it can be important, but: meh. It’s like a storm in a teacup.

45 goddamnedfrank  May 30, 2015 1:55:35am

re: #41 Nyet

46 Nyet  May 30, 2015 1:58:41am

I mean, if they don’t like it, they can create their own racist/sexist Twitter with blackjack and hookers, where they can doxx anyone (and reap legal consequences), “kill all white/black/purple males/females/puppies”, and so on. Nobody is stopping them.

47 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 30, 2015 2:01:01am

re: #46 Nyet

I mean, if they don’t like it, they can create their own racist/sexist Twitter with blackjack and hookers, where they can doxx anyone (and reap legal consequences), “kill all white/black/purple males/females/puppies”, and so on. Nobody is stopping them.

CCj was saying some nonsense to Milo about how starting a Twitter competitor would be so difficult because regulations, White House, government, and other CT BS. He really seems to believe Twitter has become an arm of the Evil Librul in the White House or something.

48 goddamnedfrank  May 30, 2015 2:03:09am

re: #44 Nyet

I’m of two minds about this. On one hand, consistency is always appreciated, just as a matter of principle. On the other hand, Twitter, as a private company, doesn’t have to be consistent. It’s their right to ban whoever they choose on whatever laughable - or respectable - pretexts.

Also, it’s not a public utility, it’s a site about sending 140-character messages. Sometimes it can be important, but: meh. It’s like a storm in a teacup.

I feel like a hard and fast set of how many strikes an account gets can easily lead to the gaming of abuse.

If somebody goes on a long drunken bender and says a bunch of really fucked up gawdawful shit, but then writes out a genuinely contrite apology (and say goes into rehab) I’d probably forgive them quicker than someone who just toes over the line once but is absolutely obstinate about acknowledging error and has a long history of sniveling micro-aggressions that were never acted upon.

Governing conduct is a fluid human problem. Guidelines are valuable, absolutist obedience to the rules frequently isn’t. And I have zero tolerance for the ever present playground level “so and so does it too / did something much worse” argument.

50 Kragar  May 30, 2015 2:22:12am

re: #41 Nyet

51 Timothy Watson  May 30, 2015 2:37:06am

re: #49 Nyet

Boing Boing: Rickrolling is sexist, racist and often transphobic in context

I am so lucky I never had to take a women’s studies class. Any chance that was written by Suey Park?

52 Nyet  May 30, 2015 2:42:48am

re: #51 Timothy Watson

Whoever wrote that, the analysis was deep and piercing.

53 Timothy Watson  May 30, 2015 2:44:13am

re: #52 Nyet

Whoever wrote that, the analysis was deep and piercing.

Ah, I see it now. One should at least follow the link to the original piece. The wording of the first link caused a Divide by zero error in my brain and I closed the tab. :)

54 Nyet  May 30, 2015 2:44:31am

:)

55 Varek Raith  May 30, 2015 2:45:06am

re: #49 Nyet

Boing Boing: Rickrolling is sexist, racist and often transphobic in context

I see what you did there.

56 Justanotherhuman  May 30, 2015 2:45:47am

re: #49 Nyet

Boing Boing: Rickrolling is sexist, racist and often transphobic in context

Huh?

57 Justanotherhuman  May 30, 2015 2:53:38am

I hate getting rickrolled in the morning.

58 Varek Raith  May 30, 2015 2:53:56am

re: #56 Justanotherhuman

Huh?

Click link.
Click link in article.
Hit Sergey.
/

59 Nyet  May 30, 2015 2:57:06am

(BTW, I didn’t know inasfar was a word.)

60 Justanotherhuman  May 30, 2015 2:59:32am

I just got up. Thought it was something insipid written by that Hamm, Xeni Jardin.

61 Justanotherhuman  May 30, 2015 3:03:13am

So, I see the counter protest and the police presence were pretty effective and spoiled the neo-fascists’ plans last night?

Most protesters leave Phoenix mosque protest; no reports of violence or arrests - @Reuters
end of alert

62 Nyet  May 30, 2015 3:06:07am

If you need another reason to hit me:

63 Justanotherhuman  May 30, 2015 3:22:55am

Trained by Blackwater.

Commander trained to fight terrorism joins ISIS

cnn.com

64 Nyet  May 30, 2015 3:25:33am

re: #63 Justanotherhuman

Trained by Blackwater.

Commander trained to fight terrorism joins ISIS

cnn.com

Note that that he was perceived as an ally (and he was, in a sense). Nobody knew that such a high-ranking police officer would turn out to be a turncoat. It’s like blaming Obama for helping the Syrian rebels, many of whom later joined ISIS.

65 Nyet  May 30, 2015 3:27:08am

Image: shoebill_img01-l.jpg

66 Justanotherhuman  May 30, 2015 3:36:01am

re: #63 Justanotherhuman

Well, if you followed Blackwater throughout the Bush years, they’re weren’t exactly loyal about anything but the money they made, either. Iraq was just another Crusades battle they were training people for.

67 Nyet  May 30, 2015 3:36:01am

Hahahahaha.

…

68 Timothy Watson  May 30, 2015 3:39:51am

ROFL at CNN:

He then demonstrates his dexterity with a sniper rifle by blowing apart a tomato from a distance of perhaps 25 yards. The scene is played in slow motion.

Wow, 25 yards with a sniper rifle!

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

69 Nyet  May 30, 2015 3:40:17am

An alleged list of Europeans who can’t enter Russia.

70 Nyet  May 30, 2015 3:44:29am

Wait. So Kung Fury finally saw the light of the day.

OK, time to watch it.

Upd: warning, contains gore.

…

71 Varek Raith  May 30, 2015 3:48:43am

re: #62 Nyet

If you need another reason to hit me:

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Incoming internet punch.
/

72 Justanotherhuman  May 30, 2015 4:03:25am

re: #69 Nyet

An alleged list of Europeans who can’t enter Russia.

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Haha, I can see Andrew Parker, the head of MI5, but Nick Clegg? Bernard-Henri Levy?

metro.co.uk

73 Timothy Watson  May 30, 2015 4:11:54am

re: #69 Nyet

An alleged list of Europeans who can’t enter Russia.

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That list is a little out of date, John Sawers hasn’t been head of MI6 since November 2014. Alex Younger is the current head.

74 Varek Raith  May 30, 2015 4:18:17am

re: #70 Nyet

Wait. So Kung Fury finally saw the light of the day.

OK, time to watch it.

[Embedded content]

Video

That was awesome.
XD

75 Nyet  May 30, 2015 4:22:42am

re: #70 Nyet

Best. Action flick. Ever.

76 Nyet  May 30, 2015 4:27:33am

…

77 Nyet  May 30, 2015 4:35:53am

re: #73 Timothy Watson

That list is a little out of date, John Sawers hasn’t been head of MI6 since November 2014. Alex Younger is the current head.

That doesn’t mean it’s out of date.

78 Justanotherhuman  May 30, 2015 4:53:08am

7.8 earthquake hits Japan. earthquake.usgs.gov

79 Nyet  May 30, 2015 5:06:15am

Onoz, It postponed.

80 Nyet  May 30, 2015 5:21:12am

Video

81 Decatur Deb  May 30, 2015 5:50:41am

re: #57 Justanotherhuman

I hate getting rickrolled in the morning.

Metarick
Metatrick
Metaroll
Metatroll

82 CleverToad  May 30, 2015 6:03:25am

Drat, had to sign off too early last night and missed most of the history/genealogy/fun stuff on the last thread. Love this place!

But so relieved nothing blew up in Phoenix. So what’s the next move for these idiots, try another ‘rally’ at another mosque, or come back to this one every week and hope the cops get bored with guarding it? They may not have very good luck trying to rally in Texas till things dry out a lot — too many real and very immediate problems to deal with there.

Speaking of which, good thoughts to all of the Texas lizards. Hope you catch a break in this soon.

83 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 30, 2015 6:21:08am

re: #82 CleverToad

They just don’t want to see Arizona outdone as America’s Stupidest State, there has been stiff competition lately.

84 Xamichee  May 30, 2015 6:27:13am

This would constitute evidence and/or proof that @GotNewsResearch is just another sock, wouldn’t it?

85 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  May 30, 2015 6:29:51am

re: #84 Xamichee

Please reinstate Charles C. Johnson’s Twitter accounts @ChuckCJohnson and @gotnewsdotcom.

Mr. Johnson fights for truth in a world increasingly dominated by political correctness.

Homophobia, Islamophobia, Misogyny and Racism are most often propagandistic labels that have been coined by Fascists and used by Cowards, to manipulate Morons.

Mr. Johnson fights political correctness by going head to head with individuals that that use these hyperbolic tools and is routinely tarred with the brush of “Troll” when “Oracle” is probably more appropriate.

Politics and “Journalists” fear him because he holds no loyalty

Restore Mr. Johnson’s Twitter accounts and return credibility to Twitter.

187 supporters!

hahhahahahahahahahahahahahah

86 Nyet  May 30, 2015 6:31:15am

re: #84 Xamichee

Depends on who Rivera is?

87 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 30, 2015 6:42:06am

re: #85 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

187 supporters!

hahhahahahahahahahahahahahah

Twitter still has credibility. It still has Gateway Pundit!

//

88 BigPapa  May 30, 2015 6:44:30am

He’s an Oracle!

Can you imagine if SMOTI and Ginger had a baby?

89 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  May 30, 2015 6:49:07am

That fucking “oracle” line kills me!

90 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 30, 2015 6:49:35am

Looking over Chuck’s whinefest about threatening tweets directed at him now.

Half of them don’t even refer to committing violence, or say what the comment about them says. For instance,

And here’s someone wishing that he kills himself, again a violation of Twitter’s term of services.

@dankmtl @HolidayToad popehat is going to kill chuck johnson floor shitting jokes

— raandy (@randygdub) December 10, 2014

Soliciting a crime? No problem!

Please someone tell me @YourAnonNews plans to hack & destroy Chuck C. Johnson’s twitter account soon.

— Michael Curry (@mcurryfelidae07) May 3, 2015

Written in third person, but Chuck wrote it.

91 BigPapa  May 30, 2015 6:54:49am

BigPapa writes in third person because he’s an oracle.

92 Belafon  May 30, 2015 6:57:57am

Here in the Dallas area, we’re getting through another round of rain. Thursday night, a system came through and stalled over Garland, dumping six inches on the city and surrounding areas. This morning, we’ve had another heavy bout of rain. A lot of our streets are starting to look like what we saw earlier this week down in Austin/San Antonio.

For those who like numbers, here’s the Army Corps of Engineers’ page for lakes under Fort Worth Area managment: swf-wc.usace.army.mil. At the beginning of the year, at least 90% of the Difference column was red. The two lakes nearest me, Ray Hubbard and Lavon (which feeds into Ray Hubbard) were 10 and 14 ft below. Now, Lavon is over flood stage, and Ray Hubbard is a foot over, and that’s with them opening the dams for the last two weeks. The numbers at the dams now are incredible: Ray Hubbard is releasing 20,000 cfs.

93 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 30, 2015 7:00:59am

re: #91 BigPapa

BigPapa writes in third person because he’s an oracle.

He’s channeling Andrew Breitbart.

94 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  May 30, 2015 7:01:32am

re: #92 Belafon

Stay dry. Seems like most every part of Texas East of San Antonio has gotten hammered.

95 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 7:15:22am

re: #67 Nyet

Hahahahaha.

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Video

Damn it. My niece just moved and she always dances to the original Beyonce video. I am going to have to ask my brother or sister in law to show her this and see if she dances.

96 Amory Blaine  May 30, 2015 7:55:44am
Running Wisconsin Aground Into A Bridge Abutment

GOP plan would cut UW System funding, tenure

97 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 30, 2015 7:58:20am

re: #96 Amory Blaine

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GOP plan would cut UW System funding, tenure

edukation is a librul plot!

98 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 7:59:00am

re: #96 Amory Blaine

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GOP plan would cut UW System funding, tenure

Walker again shows why he’s nothing but a tool of the very wealthy.

99 Amory Blaine  May 30, 2015 8:06:47am
100 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 8:09:37am

re: #99 Amory Blaine

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Didn’t one of his Wisconsin legislative allies get the same request? I believe the guy’s name was Fitzgerald or something.

101 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 30, 2015 8:13:32am

I’m playing with some of the frame grabs I have.

102 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 30, 2015 8:14:49am

I have no caption for this one yet.

103 Justanotherhuman  May 30, 2015 8:16:58am

Is O’Malley running against HC, or Bernie Sanders? He sure is pandering to every group he can think of. I’m sure there are some Black Baltimoreans who will disagree with this, also:

O’Malley says “it took new leadership. New perspectives. And new approaches.” to turn Baltimore/MD around, nation needs same - @ZekeJMiller
see original on twitter.com

Ewwww. I’m so powerful. ///

Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., says he will force the expiration of the Patriot Act by refusing to allow expedited debate - @politico
read more on politico.com

104 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 8:20:55am

re: #102 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I have no caption for this one yet.

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“My brain is this big.”

105 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  May 30, 2015 8:21:41am

re: #102 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Portrait of a sad and lonely little man.

106 Justanotherhuman  May 30, 2015 8:22:40am
107 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 30, 2015 8:25:21am

re: #105 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Portrait of a sad and lonely little man.

Considering he lived on Twitter, not having access to it now must make his day empty and meaningless.

108 A Cranky One  May 30, 2015 8:26:13am

re: #102 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I have no caption for this one yet.

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My floor poops really stink!

Wipe the cocaine off your nose like this before going out in public.

I stuck my nose up Breitbart’s butt and he gave me a thumbs up!

109 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 8:26:13am

Disappointed in O’Malley. I know this is typical politician talk- i.e. the whole I brought fresh approaches and results shit. Of those running on the Democratic side, I have the most respect for Sanders but I really don’t know what kind of president he’d make. Sometimes the best legislators aren’t necessarily the best presidents.

110 Amory Blaine  May 30, 2015 8:26:24am

re: #102 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

“I really like the drip”

111 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 8:27:37am

I think I saw a blurb the other day that Lincoln Chaffee is going to declare early in June.

112 Justanotherhuman  May 30, 2015 8:28:06am

re: #109 HappyWarrior

Yeah, it was a pretty white political rally. He’s appealing to the suburbanites, I think.

113 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 8:28:11am

So this is actually looking to be a little different than when Gore just had Bradley as an opponent in 2000.

114 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 8:29:31am

re: #112 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, it was a pretty white political rally. He’s appealing to the suburbanites, I think.

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Well he ought to know that without the African-American population he never beats Ehrlich to become governor in the first place. As I said disappointed in him. That said, he does have my respect for being one of the first elected officials to come in favor of SSM.

115 Charles Johnson  May 30, 2015 8:30:14am

This could be another Chuck Johnson sock puppet - same speech patterns, calls people “honey,” etc.

@GoKaboom11

116 nearly-headless smith25  May 30, 2015 8:31:23am
117 Justanotherhuman  May 30, 2015 8:32:57am

re: #114 HappyWarrior

Still, he’s not addressing the poverty, lack of jobs, and racism that languishes in Baltimore which is the primary issue for Black residents.

118 ObserverArt  May 30, 2015 8:32:59am

Good day everyone.

So, is the red-headed twitter tormentor really back in full tweet mode?

And if he is back in business, is he lying low and not going off as he usually does? There doesn’t seem to be anyone here adding his insanity to the comments.

That is not necessarily a bad thing mind you, just a status check on the further need of barf bags.

And regarding Scotty Walker and his war on education, does anyone know what is really behind his tearing up the higher-education system in Wisconsin?

All I can see is it has been way too liberal for the block-headed conservatives and they think they can kill off liberal progressive thinking by destroying the colleges.

Or, they see it all as a threat to their power and riches and they don’t want that competition, so gut it and turn it all into a large vocational school system to feed them just the workers they need to keep that power and riches going in their direction.

It all seems so un-Amnerican and I really can’t see what they find the benefit in tearing up a great education system.

I don’t get it, but then I don’t get Scott Walker. Sign me confused…more and more.

119 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 8:34:02am

re: #117 Justanotherhuman

Still, he’s not addressing the poverty, lack of jobs, and racism that languishes in Baltimore which is the primary issue for Black residents.

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Right.

120 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 8:36:31am

re: #116 nearly-headless smith25

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White privilege is not every mistake you did in your life being twisted into you being made out to be a thug. Every small mistake that Mike, Eric, Treyvon, and the others have made has been used by the media to try to make it out like these guys were “bad seeds.” Really using their logic, it would be perfectly acceptable for the police to shoot Josh Duggar and that’s obviously not something I would condone but if Josh Duggar were shot by the police unarmed, I think we all could bet good money that the media would not be using his criminal past to search for rationalization of his death and would certainly not use an unflattering photo.

121 darthstar  May 30, 2015 8:37:43am

re: #115 Charles Johnson

This could be another Chuck Johnson sock puppet - same speech patterns, calls people “honey,” etc.

@GoKaboom11

Looks like it. BaronRed is a self reference most likely.

122 Eric The Fruit Bat  May 30, 2015 8:37:46am

re: #115 Charles Johnson

And following the same Three Stooges, too.

123 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 8:37:50am

re: #118 ObserverArt

Good day everyone.

So, is the red-headed twitter tormentor really back in full tweet mode?

And if he is back in business, is he lying low and not going off as he usually does? There doesn’t seem to be anyone here adding his insanity to the comments.

That is not necessarily a bad thing mind you, just a status check on the further need of barf bags.

And regarding Scotty Walker and his war on education, does anyone know what is really behind his tearing up the higher-education system in Wisconsin?

All I can see is it has been way too liberal for the block-headed conservatives and they think they can kill off liberal progressive thinking by destroying the colleges.

Or, they see it all as a threat to their power and riches and they don’t want that competition, so gut it and turn it all into a large vocational school system to feed them just the workers they need to keep that power and riches going in their direction.

It all seems so un-Amnerican and I really can’t see what they find the benefit in tearing up a great education system.

I don’t get it, but then I don’t get Scott Walker. Sign me confused…more and more.

I think Walker is what he is- a willing tool of the Kochs and like minded individuals who want to create an oligarchical state with little room for upward mobility.

124 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 8:38:28am

re: #115 Charles Johnson

This could be another Chuck Johnson sock puppet - same speech patterns, calls people “honey,” etc.

@GoKaboom11

Yeesh it’s not even 9 AM on the west coast and he’s already drinking this early?

125 Dark_Falcon  May 30, 2015 8:38:32am

re: #20 Kragar

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I dunno, but a baklava and an AKM don’t really say “peaceful protest” to me.

126 Justanotherhuman  May 30, 2015 8:40:16am
127 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 30, 2015 8:41:14am

re: #115 Charles Johnson

This could be another Chuck Johnson sock puppet - same speech patterns, calls people “honey,” etc.

@GoKaboom11

New account on May 27, it seems.

128 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 8:41:15am

re: #126 Justanotherhuman

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Yes and that needs to fucking change now. It’s 20 fucking 15.

129 calochortus  May 30, 2015 8:42:23am

re: #120 HappyWarrior

White privilege is not every mistake you did in your life being twisted into you being made out to be a thug. Every small mistake that Mike, Eric, Treyvon, and the others have made has been used by the media to try to make it out like these guys were “bad seeds.” Really using their logic, it would be perfectly acceptable for the police to shoot Josh Duggar and that’s obviously not something I would condemn but if Josh Duggar were shot by the police unarmed, I think we all could bet good money that the media would not be using his criminal past to search for rationalization of his death and would certainly not use an unflattering photo.

You might want to change that to “condone” while the magic pencil still works.

130 Dark_Falcon  May 30, 2015 8:42:51am

re: #109 HappyWarrior

Disappointed in O’Malley. I know this is typical politician talk- i.e. the whole I brought fresh approaches and results shit. Of those running on the Democratic side, I have the most respect for Sanders but I really don’t know what kind of president he’d make. Sometimes the best legislators aren’t necessarily the best presidents.

Sanders is too far to the left to have much of a chance even if he could get past Hillary. Maybe against Ted Cruz he’d have a shot, but Rand Paul has enough libertarian-populist positions to undercut Sanders badly. Marco Rubio or Jed Bush would walk to victory against Sanders.

131 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 8:43:13am

re: #129 calochortus

You might want to change that to “condone” while the magic pencil still works.

Thanks.

132 calochortus  May 30, 2015 8:45:57am

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

sanders is too far to the left to have much of a chance even if he could get past Hillary. Maybe against Ted Cruz he’d have a shot, but Rand Paul has enough libertarian-populist positions to undercut Sanders badly. Marco Rubio or Jed Bush would walk to victory against Sanders.

Now that would be an interesting election: Cruz v. Sanders. I’m not sure whether the end result would be optimal, but it would be more fun to follow than Clinton v. Bush.

133 nearly-headless smith25  May 30, 2015 8:46:03am

re: #120 HappyWarrior

White privilege is not every mistake you did in your life being twisted into you being made out to be a thug. Every small mistake that Mike, Eric, Treyvon, and the others have made has been used by the media to try to make it out like these guys were “bad seeds.” Really using their logic, it would be perfectly acceptable for the police to shoot Josh Duggar and that’s obviously not something I would condemn but if Josh Duggar were shot by the police unarmed, I think we all could bet good money that the media would not be using his criminal past to search for rationalization of his death and would certainly not use an unflattering photo.

Yep, and that that mindset seeps into so many of the public school systems(that just happen to be as segregated as they were in the 60’s). The statistics on discipline are appalling. The way that racial bias exists in school discipline matches the way it exists in society as a whole. And when you have black and brown kids that are made into thugs and vagrants from the time that they are 5 years old by authority figures, is there any wonder why there is a natural distrust of all law enforcement.

134 Decatur Deb  May 30, 2015 8:46:34am

I want Sanders for president. I want Warren for president. I don’t want either of them for Democratic nominee.

President Scott Walker
President Scott Walker
President Scott Walker
President Scott Walker

135 Dark_Falcon  May 30, 2015 8:47:12am

re: #123 HappyWarrior

I think Walker is what he is- a willing tool of the Kochs and like minded individuals who want to create an oligarchical state with little room for upward mobility.

I don’t think that’s what Charles and David Koch really want. If you want your company to compete and grow, oligarchic stasis is something that does not help that occur.

136 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 8:47:30am

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

sanders is too far to the left to have much of a chance even if he could get past Hillary. Maybe against Ted Cruz he’d have a shot, but Rand Paul has enough libertarian-populist positions to undercut Sanders badly. Marco Rubio or Jed Bush would walk to victory against Sanders.

Well honestly I was talking strictly how he would do as a president. Some people just aren’t presidential material. Being a principled guy doesn’t necessarily mean he’d be a good president as part of the job is deal making. But as for Rubio and Paul, I think Sanders would actually do better against them than you think. Their views are actually much more outside the mainstream when it comes to the American people. I’m sure they’d try to use the evil “S” label on Sanders but he’d point out that those two are the real fringe nuts especially Paul who is on record of saying he would have voted against the trademark civil rights legislation of last century.

137 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 8:48:31am

re: #132 calochortus

Now that would be an interesting election: Cruz v. Sanders. I’m not sure whether the end result would be optimal, but it would be more fun to follow than Clinton v. Bush.

Anything would be more fun to watch than Bush v Clinton.I am really hoping that this isn’t the election.

138 Dark_Falcon  May 30, 2015 8:48:42am

re: #136 HappyWarrior

Well honestly I was talking strictly how he would do as a president. Some people just aren’t presidential material. Being a principled guy doesn’t necessarily mean he’d be a good president as part of the job is deal making. But as for Rubio and Paul, I think Sanders would actually do better against them than you think. Their views are actually much more outside the mainstream when it comes to the American people. I’m sure they’d try to use the evil “S” label on Sanders but he’d point out that those two are the real fringe nuts especially Paul who is on record of saying he would have voted against the trademark civil rights legislation of last century.

Was it Rand or Ron Paul who said that?

139 nearly-headless smith25  May 30, 2015 8:48:44am

re: #134 Decatur Deb

I want Sanders for president. I want Warren for president. I don’t want either of them for Democratic nominee.

President Scott Walker
President Scott Walker
President Scott Walker
President Scott Walker

There are 4 Lochner Era Conservative Justices on the Supreme Court now. That number could becomes 5 with any Republican President

140 Justanotherhuman  May 30, 2015 8:49:03am

re: #128 HappyWarrior

It’s deeper than you think. Did you know the US military does not bar enlistment for those who are members of outlaw motorcycle gangs?

“According to the Defense Department, military personnel cannot be involved in “extremist groups” or actively advocate “criminal gang doctrine,” but the regulations do not explicitly prohibit membership in an outlaw motorcycle gang. Commanders have the authority to discipline or take criminal action against anyone who flouts the rule.”

141 Dark_Falcon  May 30, 2015 8:50:32am

re: #137 HappyWarrior

Anything would be more fun to watch than Bush v Clinton.I am really hoping that this isn’t the election.

Quite Concur. We don’t need “24 Years After 1992, its the same names once again on the ballot for the Dems and GOP.”

142 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2015 8:51:22am

re: #138 Dark_Falcon

Was it Rand or Ron Paul who said that?

Rand

143 Charles Johnson  May 30, 2015 8:51:30am
144 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 8:51:50am

re: #133 nearly-headless smith25

Yep, and that that mindset seeps into so many of the public school systems(that just happen to be as segregated as they were in the 60’s). The statistics on discipline are appalling. The way that racial bias exists in school discipline matches the way it exists in society as a whole. And when you have black and brown kids that are made into thugs and vagrants from the time that they are 5 years old by authority figures, is there any wonder why there is a natural distrust of all law enforcement.

My brother had a lot of African American friends growing up. He’s seen first hand how white authority figures treat people of color differently. Hell I still remember one time when he got in trouble for I think cursing back at a kid who called him a white n-word that the principal tried to excuse it by saying “Oh he just meant he was wigging out.” My dad had to explain to the principal what that word actually was. And even with that still, I don’t think the kid got any discipline. Later when him and his friends were in middle school, the elementary school principal immediately blamed them for it to the police even though she had no evidence at all it was them.

145 Decatur Deb  May 30, 2015 8:52:38am

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur. We don’t need “24 Years After 1992, its the same names once again on the ballot for the Dems and GOP.”

President Adams on line 3…

146 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 8:53:22am

re: #138 Dark_Falcon

Was it Rand or Ron Paul who said that?

It was Rand.

147 darthstar  May 30, 2015 8:53:32am
148 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 8:56:26am

re: #145 Decatur Deb

President Adams on line 3…

Adams went on the ballot for the first time 24 years after his father left office. Hillary and W meanwhile first sought it 8 years after their husband and father left respectively. I understand that it is the situation we are in and Hillary will be a good candidate but you do have to excuse me if I don’t have understandable Bush/Clinton fatigue and worry if that may play a role in decreased turnout thus aiding Jeb. That said I do think Hillary being on the top of the ticket could genuinely excite women voters who will be excited to see the first major party woman nominee for president.

149 nearly-headless smith25  May 30, 2015 8:56:53am

Have a good weekend everyone. On the way to the ballpark. Both kids play double headers today and tomorrow. Positive thoughts to all with stress or needs.

150 stpaulbear  May 30, 2015 8:57:40am

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

sanders is too far to the left to have much of a chance even if he could get past Hillary. Maybe against Ted Cruz he’d have a shot, but Rand Paul has enough libertarian-populist positions to undercut Sanders badly. Marco Rubio or Jed Bush would walk to victory against Sanders.

My facebook friends are in LOVE with Sanders. I agree that he’s not going to replace Hillary, but he’s make the democratic debates much more lively. He can bring up topics that Hillary really can’t initiate, and she doesn’t even have to make a contrary stand in order to remain the front runner. She probably agrees with most of what Sanders stands for (and that doesn’t mean she’s a commie ///).

As for Rand Paul having ‘enough’ l-p positions, Rand has hundreds of positions on everything. If you don’t like todays position, wait until tomorrow.

151 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  May 30, 2015 8:57:55am

re: #148 HappyWarrior

Adams went on the ballot for the first time 24 years after his father left office. Hillary and W meanwhile first sought it 8 years after their husband and father left respectively. I understand that it is the situation we are in and Hillary will be a good candidate but you do have to excuse me if I don’t have understandable Bush/Clinton fatigue and worry if that may play a role in decreased turnout thus aiding Jeb. That said I do think Hillary being on the top of the ticket could genuinely excite women voters who will be excited to see the first major party woman nominee for president.

I quite concur. I’m sick of Bush/Clinton.

152 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 8:58:09am

re: #149 nearly-headless smith25

Have a good weekend everyone. On the way to the ballpark. Both kids play double headers today and tomorrow. Positive thoughts to all with stress or needs.

Damn dude, I thought we had it crazy with my younger brother having doubleheaders on Sunday. Hope the kids do well and have fun.

153 Dark_Falcon  May 30, 2015 8:59:05am

re: #142 Backwoods_Sleuth

Rand

re: #146 HappyWarrior

It was Rand.

Thanks.

154 Decatur Deb  May 30, 2015 8:59:38am

re: #151 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I quite concur. I’m sick of Bush/Clinton.

If the ballot is Walker or Cruz vs Zombie George Wallace, I’ll be brainlocked in the voting booth until the polls close.

155 stpaulbear  May 30, 2015 9:00:28am

re: #135 Dark_Falcon

I don’t think that’s what Charles and David Koch really want. If you want your company to compete and grow, oligarchic stasis is something that does not help that occur.

Funny.

The Kochs aren’t interested in competition. They want it all, and they want government to give it to them.

156 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 9:02:09am

re: #150 stpaulbear

My facebook friends are in LOVE with Sanders. I agree that he’s not going to replace Hillary, but he’s make the democratic debates much more lively. He can bring up topics that Hillary really can’t initiate, and she doesn’t even have to make a contrary stand in order to remain the front runner. She probably agrees with most of what Sanders stands for (and that doesn’t mean she’s a commie ///).

As for Rand Paul having ‘enough’ l-p positions, Rand has hundreds of positions on everything. If you don’t like todays position, wait until tomorrow.

Paul has basically become like Mitt Romney in that respect. He knows he has to be more successful than dear old Dad and he thinks the way to do it is to be one thing to one audience and another to another audience. I have to say I did not like his Dad at all and I think Ron Paul is one of the worst people to run for president in recent years but he was generally consistent. Rand meanwhile will rag on Israel and foreign aid to Israel in one instance and the other kiss Bibi’s ass. And he’s like this on a host of other issues. I have a lot of friends who love Sanders too. I think and this pains me since I really do respect him the most of all the prospective candidates but I don’t know if he’d make a good president. I think too many liberals think that just having a staunch liberal in there is all the left needs. You need someone more practical minded I guess. I really hate to sound like I’m ragging on Bernie here because he really is genuinely principled but I just don’t know if he’d make a good president.

157 Charles Johnson  May 30, 2015 9:02:10am
158 Decatur Deb  May 30, 2015 9:03:05am

re: #157 Charles Johnson

All the worst people are coming out in support of Chuck Johnson: Infowars, far right bloggers, “men’s rights” headcases, white supremacists.

At last, a Uniter !!1!

159 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 9:03:38am

re: #154 Decatur Deb

If the ballot is Walker or Cruz vs Zombie George Wallace, I’ll be brainlocked in the voting booth until the polls close.

Well none of us are saying we won’t vote for Clinton against those guys, DD. We’re just saying you have to understand why Clinton’s not generating the enthusiasm that Obama did in 08 or even her husband did in ‘92. I’ll give her a chance and I’m in violent agreement that she’d be better than any of the Republicans running by a mile and I won’t do the stupid bs saying that she’s no different than Bush.

160 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 30, 2015 9:04:12am

re: #157 Charles Johnson

You forgot “nerd researchers.”

161 ObserverArt  May 30, 2015 9:04:14am

re: #135 Dark_Falcon

I don’t think that’s what Charles and David Koch really want. If you want your company to compete and grow, oligarchic stasis is something that does not help that occur.

Dark, have you any feel for why Walker is hell bent on cutting funding for the great Wisconsin University and other colleges in that state?

It make no business sense, so to me it seems political, and that can only mean one thing, its long-held liberal/progressive thinking is some kind of threat.

162 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 9:06:20am

re: #157 Charles Johnson

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163 ObserverArt  May 30, 2015 9:07:17am

re: #157 Charles Johnson

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Carried on the shoulders of a trash heap…the bearded wonder becomes a symbol of free speech in America!

(Hand me one of those barf bags…I’m feeling queasy.)

164 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  May 30, 2015 9:08:02am

re: #159 HappyWarrior

Well none of us are saying we won’t vote for Clinton against those guys, DD. We’re just saying you have to understand why Clinton’s not generating the enthusiasm that Obama did in 08 or even her husband did in ‘92. I’ll give her a chance and I’m in violent agreement that she’d be better than any of the Republicans running by a mile and I won’t do the stupid bs saying that she’s no different than Bush.

I’ll vote for Clinton over any nutcase coming out of the GOP thunderderp, but that doesn’t mean I can’t wish for new blood.

165 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 9:09:45am

re: #164 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I’ll vote for Clinton over any nutcase coming out of the GOP thunderderp, but that doesn’t mean I can’t wish for new blood.

Precisely.

166 ObserverArt  May 30, 2015 9:10:41am

re: #150 stpaulbear

My facebook friends are in LOVE with Sanders. I agree that he’s not going to replace Hillary, but he’s make the democratic debates much more lively. He can bring up topics that Hillary really can’t initiate, and she doesn’t even have to make a contrary stand in order to remain the front runner. She probably agrees with most of what Sanders stands for (and that doesn’t mean she’s a commie ///).

As for Rand Paul having ‘enough’ l-p positions, Rand has hundreds of positions on everything. If you don’t like todays position, wait until tomorrow.

You don’t need to wait a day. I think I’ve seen him change a position based on the makeup of the next crowd he faces and what feedback he got from the last one.

The man is a constant agent of change!

167 Dark_Falcon  May 30, 2015 9:10:57am

T-72Bs being brought by train to a staging area near the Russo-Ukrainian border;

reuters.com

The tank on the right is equipped with the ‘EDZ’ 1st generation Explosive Reactive Armor (ERA), while the one on the left has the 2nd Generation package. Most of the tanks in the slideshow have 1st Gen ERA, which is still decently effective against infantry anti-tank weapons, though less so against vehicle-launched missiles.

But Putin’s movin’ a great deal of force into place opposite Maripol. Don’t know what Russia’s up to, but it can’t be good.

168 allegro  May 30, 2015 9:11:16am

re: #161 ObserverArt

Dark, have you any feel for why Walker is hell bent on cutting funding for the great Wisconsin University and other colleges in that state?

It make no business sense, so to me it seems political, and that can only mean one thing, its long-held liberal/progressive thinking is some kind of threat.

They’re threatened by knowledge and thinking people. That’s what is behind the direct and concerted efforts to destroy all of public education in the country.

169 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 9:13:42am

re: #168 allegro

They’re threatened by knowledge and thinking people. That’s what is behind the direct and concerted efforts to destroy all of public education in the country.

Indeed, they’re afraid of people who think outside the box hence why they make out teachers to be agents of “indoctrination” when in reality the teachers are challenging the indoctrination that they want to have in children’s heads. David Barton, Mike Huckabee, etc are far more into indoctrination than some random liberal arts teacher who just happens to self id as a socialist.

170 stpaulbear  May 30, 2015 9:15:07am

re: #167 Dark_Falcon

1. Make statement.
2. (statement gets pushback)
3. War porn.

171 ObserverArt  May 30, 2015 9:15:24am

re: #168 allegro

They’re threatened by knowledge and thinking people. That’s what is behind the direct and concerted efforts to destroy all of public education in the country.

Definitely my fear. Seems to have been going on for some time too. Death to the liberal arts degrees.

We want you to think inside this box…not outside it.

172 Amory Blaine  May 30, 2015 9:15:47am

re: #168 allegro

Walker Backs Off Plan To Remove ‘Truth’ From University Of Wisconsin Mission

Gov. Scott Walker abruptly backed off Wednesday from a contentious plan to eliminate the University of Wisconsin System’s public service mission statement known as the “Wisconsin Idea” and replace it with the charge of meeting the state’s workforce needs.

173 BeenHereAwhile  May 30, 2015 9:15:59am

re: #155 stpaulbear

Funny.

The Kochs aren’t interested in competition. They want it all, and they want government to give it to them.

Koch Brother’s Dream World with no EPA regulations:

[…] When I became a South Asia correspondent for The New York Times three years ago, my wife and I were both excited and prepared for difficulties — insistent beggars, endemic dengue and summertime temperatures that reach 120 degrees. But we had little inkling just how dangerous this city would be for our boys.[…]

[…] Delhi, we discovered, is quietly suffering from a dire pediatric respiratory crisis, with a recent study showing that nearly half of the city’s 4.4 million schoolchildren have irreversible lung damage from the poisonous air.[…]

mobile.nytimes.com

174 Decatur Deb  May 30, 2015 9:16:46am

re: #164 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I’ll vote for Clinton over any nutcase coming out of the GOP thunderderp, but that doesn’t mean I can’t wish for new blood.

175 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 9:18:51am

re: #171 ObserverArt

Definitely my fear. Seems to have been going on for some time too. Death to the liberal arts degrees.

We want you to think inside this box…not outside it.

They want everyone to be a business major. Santorum the other day was bitching about community colleges of all things and man you have no idea how much that one pisses me off since I myself had struggled some in high school and did not have the grades to get to a four year school and frankly I do not think I was ready to live away from home at that point either. Anyhow, I worked hard at community college and transferred to a four year school. My brother just did the same. Community colleges are a great thing and it’s disgusting to see Rick Santorum who has benefited from public high education from the undergrad level through law and business school bash it.

176 allegro  May 30, 2015 9:19:27am

re: #171 ObserverArt

Definitely my fear. Seems to have been going on for some time too. Death to the liberal arts degrees.

We want you to think inside this box…not outside it.

That’s the whole point of the voucher thing. Starve the public schools of funding to send the dollars to christian fundy schools where kids really are indoctrinated into authoritarian rule obeying. An ignorant, obedient population is the goal.

177 Charles Johnson  May 30, 2015 9:20:20am
178 Dark_Falcon  May 30, 2015 9:20:21am

re: #161 ObserverArt

Dark, have you any feel for why Walker is hell bent on cutting funding for the great Wisconsin University and other colleges in that state?

It make no business sense, so to me it seems political, and that can only mean one thing, its long-held liberal/progressive thinking is some kind of threat.

It’s a quasi-privatization, and it is to a good degree political. But its much less about threat removal than about a school of thought (forgive the phrase, its the best fit possible, despite the subject matter) on how to reform higher education. In ultra-short form, the idea is that by removing government direct funding universities can be induced to get rid of wasteful programs and overhead and focus on providing useful education. The definition of ‘useful’ of course depends on who’s doing the defining.

179 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 9:21:02am

re: #176 allegro

That’s the whole point of the voucher thing. Starve the public schools of funding to send the dollars to christian fundy schools where kids really are indoctrinated into authoritarian rule obeying. An ignorant, obedient population is the goal.

Yep, that’s why I opposed vouchers fifteen years ago and still do now. Vouchers is something that sounds nice but then when you really look at what the end goal is you see it for the rotten scheme it really is. It’s the RR’s way of destroying public schools and getting tax monies and students sent to them.

180 BeenHereAwhile  May 30, 2015 9:21:31am

re: #147 darthstar

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181 Amory Blaine  May 30, 2015 9:21:56am

Going to take a stab at this number.

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182 Dark_Falcon  May 30, 2015 9:22:32am

re: #174 Decatur Deb

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A Dark Crystal reference. I think its cool, but it would be lost on anyone who’s too young to remember the 1980’s.

183 stpaulbear  May 30, 2015 9:23:03am

re: #164 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I’ll vote for Clinton over any nutcase coming out of the GOP thunderderp, but that doesn’t mean I can’t wish for new blood.

That’s what I meant to say too. When election day comes, I will happily vote for Hillary.

184 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  May 30, 2015 9:23:14am

re: #178 Dark_Falcon

It’s a quasi-privatization, and it is to a good degree political. But its much less about threat removal than about a school of thought (forgive the phrase, its the best fit possible, despite the subject matter) on how to reform higher education. In ultra-short form, the idea is that by removing government direct funding universities can be induced to get rid of wasteful programs and overhead and focus on providing useful education. The definition of ‘useful’ of course depends on who’s doing the defining.

In short, it’s bullshit.

Geez, dark, I don’t know how you traffic with these people and sleep at night.

185 Decatur Deb  May 30, 2015 9:23:49am

re: #183 stpaulbear

That’s what I meant to say too. When election day comes, I will happily vote for Hillary.

The battle will be decided before then.

186 Charles Johnson  May 30, 2015 9:24:25am
187 allegro  May 30, 2015 9:24:47am

re: #178 Dark_Falcon

It’s a quasi-privatization, and it is to a good degree political. But its much less about threat removal than about a school of thought (forgive the phrase, its the best fit possible, despite the subject matter) on how to reform higher education. In ultra-short form, the idea is that by removing government direct funding universities can be induced to get rid of wasteful programs and overhead and focus on providing useful education. The definition of ‘useful’ of course depends on who’s doing the defining.

It seems much more likely that your party wants to deny government funding in order to deny higher education to all but the very wealthy. Yanno, those who deserve it.

188 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 9:25:18am

I always do laugh when the right accuses liberal academic institutions of being intolerant of other people’s opinions. I am not saying that it doesn’t happen but uh you have a case of Liberty University actually banning a College Democrats chapter, several Christian schools banning Gay Straight alliances, and my own alma mater Mason whose economics department is heavily helped by the Kochs and like minded individuals who have test prompts and questions that only require you to answer in a means that bashes the Obama administration. I met an economics major at the university who told me about a test question that was specifically “Why is the Stimulus bad?” when the question should have been something more like “Why or why not is the stimulus bad?” Right wingers got a fun habit of accusing the left of doing things they do time and time again.

189 ObserverArt  May 30, 2015 9:27:02am

re: #178 Dark_Falcon

It’s a quasi-privatization, and it is to a good degree political. But its much less about threat removal than about a school of thought (forgive the phrase, its the best fit possible, despite the subject matter) on how to reform higher education. In ultra-short form, the idea is that by removing government direct funding universities can be induced to get rid of wasteful programs and overhead and focus on providing useful education. The definition of ‘useful’ of course depends on who’s doing the defining.

I notice you sort of gloss over your own comment by not saying whether you agree this thinking is good or bad.

Do you want to carry your comment to a conclusion drawn by your thoughts?

Is it good to not have generalized education that is more for critical thinking overall, a pathway to further education by teaching how to learn and think instead of only thinking in a tech area that makes you a great tech, but not so great at what you could possibly become?

I see it as a way to damage real free expression that does lead to greatness.

190 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2015 9:27:10am

re: #163 ObserverArt

Carried on the shoulders of a trash heap…the bearded wonder becomes a symbol of free speech in America!

(Hand me one of those barf bags…I’m feeling queasy.)

ask and ye shall receive:

191 Justanotherhuman  May 30, 2015 9:28:31am

re: #171 ObserverArt

Our “lovely” governor is quoted in this piece. He really wants to turn out people already trained for a job so companies don’t have to do any training whatsoever.

The case for a liberal arts education

cnbc.com

McCrory himself got degrees in PoliSci and Education from a small, liberal arts college, Catawba, in Salisbury, NC.

192 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2015 9:31:11am

re: #178 Dark_Falcon

It’s a quasi-privatization, and it is to a good degree political. But its much less about threat removal than about a school of thought (forgive the phrase, its the best fit possible, despite the subject matter) on how to reform higher education. In ultra-short form, the idea is that by removing government direct funding universities can be induced to get rid of wasteful programs and overhead and focus on providing useful education. The definition of ‘useful’ of course depends on who’s doing the defining.

But Wisconsin GOP has no problem expanding the school voucher program to the tune of $800 million. (I posted links to that twice in previous threads this week.)

193 darthstar  May 30, 2015 9:31:23am

Want to get some drone selfies but are afraid you’ll crash the fucking thing and throw $1000 down the toilet?

Meet Lily

Check out the video. I suspect this could be a bit of a problem when too many Lilies show up at the same park.

194 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 9:32:14am

re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth

But Wisconsin GOP has no problem expanding the school voucher program to the tune of $800 million. (I posted links to that twice in previous threads this week.)

So basically it’s not about wasteful spending at all. It’s about diverting funds from public education to private education.

195 Dark_Falcon  May 30, 2015 9:32:17am

re: #189 ObserverArt

I notice you sort of gloss over your own comment by not saying whether you agree this thinking is good or bad.

Do you want to carry your comment to a conclusion drawn by your thoughts?

No, I’ve decided I’m just going to provide the explanation and keep my opinions on the matter to myself. I was happy to give you a concise explanation, but as for adding my own editorializing?

196 Great White Snark  May 30, 2015 9:32:43am

re: #179 HappyWarrior

With all respect to how abuses must be opposed and set aside-
My opposition is proportionate to the quality of the public school system. Where those are solid schools whose students enjoy good solid scholastic results, we hardly have any need for vouchers or home schooling.

Where the public school system fails, I want those options on the books. My motivation is completely about enabling parents to have a good school at hand, or be able to adjust as required by circumstances.

197 Charles Johnson  May 30, 2015 9:33:12am
198 darthstar  May 30, 2015 9:35:22am
199 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 9:36:38am

re: #196 Great White Snark

With all respect to how abuses must be opposed and set aside-
My opposition is proportionate to the quality of the public school system. Where those are solid schools whose students enjoy good solid scholastic results, we hardly have any need for vouchers or home schooling.

Where the public school system fails, I want those options on the books. My motivation is completely about enabling parents to have a good school at hand, or be able to adjust as required by circumstances.

I understand that. I just think those options should be secular or if they are parochial, let them in the tradition of the religious institutions that encourage critical thinking i.e. the Jesuits which unfortunately many of these institutions do not do i.e. Liberty.

200 Dark_Falcon  May 30, 2015 9:37:18am

re: #193 darthstar

Want to get some drone selfies but are afraid you’ll crash the fucking thing and throw $1000 down the toilet?

Meet Lily

Check out the video. I suspect this could be a bit of a problem when too many Lilies show up at the same park.

Needs to be made higher flying, given a more powerful radio for better range, and an engine with at least triple the flight ceiling:

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201 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 9:37:27am

re: #198 darthstar

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Thank you flash drives.

202 Justanotherhuman  May 30, 2015 9:38:27am

Tragic. Preventable.

India’s Heat Wave Deadliest In Over Three Decades, Death Toll Crosses 2,000

ibtimes.com

(snip)

Most of those who died in the calamity are believed to be daily wage laborers or old people suffering from sunstroke or dehydration. Hospitals in the country have reportedly been directed to provide emergency treatment to people suffering from heatstroke. State authorities have also set up water distribution points in affected areas. Although advisories have been issued warning people not to venture out, laborers and farmers struggling to make ends meet do not consider it a viable option.

“How do we cope up with the heat? We have to raise kids and so we have to work even though it’s hot. Otherwise what will our children eat?” Sunder, a 38-year-old bricklayer from city of Gurgaon in Haryana, told Reuters.

Meanwhile, the surge in consumption of electricity by air conditioners is causing frequent power cuts across the country. “If they cut power in the afternoon then it gets unbearably hot, and we also run into a water shortage since the overhead tanks can’t be refilled,” a resident of Hyderabad, the capital of Telangana, told Agence France-Presse (AFP). More

203 ObserverArt  May 30, 2015 9:39:47am

re: #195 Dark_Falcon

No, I’ve decided I’m just going to provide the explanation and keep my opinions on the matter to myself. I was happy to give you a concise explanation, but as for adding my own editorializing?

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You do realize by not answering we can pretty much assume you are in some agreement with what Walker is doing.

I do think by not wanting to discuss you in a way feel that this is not a good thing to do, but are willing to go with it because, hey it’s what my party wants and I am a party man. In other words, you may not find this thinking defensible yourself.

But I will admit, you have just given a very good example of the problem in politics in this country. No one is willing to really discuss it. Sad, that.

204 allegro  May 30, 2015 9:41:31am

Willfully ignorant people are certainly welcome to raise ignorant, fearful children just like they are welcome to be members of their private, insular clubs… on their own dime. This is why I oppose ed vouchers and want to see churches taxed on income that is not being directly and without attached strings being used for public good.

205 gwangung  May 30, 2015 9:41:33am

re: #196 Great White Snark

With all respect to how abuses must be opposed and set aside-
My opposition is proportionate to the quality of the public school system. Where those are solid schools whose students enjoy good solid scholastic results, we hardly have any need for vouchers or home schooling.

Where the public school system fails, I want those options on the books. My motivation is completely about enabling parents to have a good school at hand, or be able to adjust as required by circumstances.

Then make sure the options actually apply. Vouchers are a solution for parents, not schools. And vouchers are only a solution for parents when they cover ALL costs for school, not just tuition.

As it works out, where schools fail, it is in areas where spending per student is below other more successful schools, and it is an indirect, blunderbuss approach that has far more effects in others other than effectiveness in educating students.

IOW, the law of unintended consequences apply to EVERYONE.

206 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 9:41:39am

re: #202 Justanotherhuman

Tragic. Preventable.

India’s Heat Wave Deadliest In Over Three Decades, Death Toll Crosses 2,000

ibtimes.com

(snip)

Most of those who died in the calamity are believed to be daily wage laborers or old people suffering from sunstroke or dehydration. Hospitals in the country have reportedly been directed to provide emergency treatment to people suffering from heatstroke. State authorities have also set up water distribution points in affected areas. Although advisories have been issued warning people not to venture out, laborers and farmers struggling to make ends meet do not consider it a viable option.

“How do we cope up with the heat? We have to raise kids and so we have to work even though it’s hot. Otherwise what will our children eat?” Sunder, a 38-year-old bricklayer from city of Gurgaon in Haryana, told Reuters.

Meanwhile, the surge in consumption of electricity by air conditioners is causing frequent power cuts across the country. “If they cut power in the afternoon then it gets unbearably hot, and we also run into a water shortage since the overhead tanks can’t be refilled,” a resident of Hyderabad, the capital of Telangana, told Agence France-Presse (AFP). More

Maybe we can send Senator Inholfe with snowballs to India.// Sorry to come off crass but I really have no patience or respect for those who just focus on the local weather and ignore global climate when calling climate change a hoax.

207 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 9:42:22am

re: #205 gwangung

Then make sure the options actually apply. Vouchers are a solution for parents, not schools. And vouchers are only a solution for parents when they cover ALL costs for school, not just tuition.

As it works out, where schools fail, it is in areas where spending per student is below other more successful schools, and it is an indirect, blunderbuss approach that has far more effects in others other than effectiveness in educating students.

IOW, the law of unintended consequences apply to EVERYONE.

Exactly and that’s not a coincidence.

208 Dark_Falcon  May 30, 2015 9:44:40am

re: #200 Dark_Falcon

It should be noted, however, that the movie version of The Pentagon Wars (but not Burton’s book) leaves out the fact that a major reason for the redesign of the M2 Bradley in the 1970’s was the US Army’s evaluation of a Soviet-built BMP-1 captured from the Syrian Army by the IDF in 1973 and delivered to the US by Israel in the winter of 1974. The original specs for the Bradley were felt to be inferior to the BMP and it was felt that America needed something able to fight the BMP and win consistently.

And the M2 Bradley did ultimately meet that goal in 1991, as US Bradleys scored a lopsided kill ratio against Iraqi BMP-1s and 2s. But getting to that point likely could have been done better.

209 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 9:45:32am

It’s like W’s faith based initiatives program. That too sounds nice when you look at it but when you see that these institutions want to still be able to discriminate people based on sexuality or whatever. If government is to subsidize private institutions, these institutions need to treat all people fairly.

210 A Cranky One  May 30, 2015 9:48:50am

re: #196 Great White Snark

With all respect to how abuses must be opposed and set aside-
My opposition is proportionate to the quality of the public school system. Where those are solid schools whose students enjoy good solid scholastic results, we hardly have any need for vouchers or home schooling.

Where the public school system fails, I want those options on the books. My motivation is completely about enabling parents to have a good school at hand, or be able to adjust as required by circumstances.

The problem is that if the public schools are failing, moving funds out of the school district to finance private schools just exacerbates the problems at the public schools. The answer should be to fix the public schools, not move away from them.

I’ve seen very little evidence that the majority of private schools provide a better education than the public schools (obviously there are some exceptions). When the private schools refuse to allow testing to compare their students against others, you have to wonder about their motivation.

Much of the privatization push is about lining the pockets of the owners of private schools and not about improving education.

211 Justanotherhuman  May 30, 2015 9:49:18am

SWAT standoff continues at motorcycle club in San Diego’s Mt. Hope area with armed suspect holed up inside building - @nbcsandiego

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212 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 9:53:00am

The other problem I have with private education is that it does not have a system in place to help students with learning disabilities. The public school system has the IEP which I have to say really did help me out in my middle and high school years out. Private schools just aren’t equipped to help children with learning disabilities. Now some of them do have smaller classes but I think the IEP helps more so because you special ed teachers who are good at dealing with children with learning disabilities. I still remember my struggle with seventh grade math. The regular math teacher wasn’t really a bad guy but I don’t think he could help kids like myself that had learning disabilities. The other teacher in the class though was and she helped me pass the class. That class was the closest I ever got to having to go to summer school.

213 sagehen  May 30, 2015 9:56:33am

re: #210 A Cranky One

I’ve seen very little evidence that the majority of private schools provide a better education than the public schools (obviously there are some exceptions). When the private schools refuse to allow testing to compare their students against others, you have to wonder about their motivation.
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Well, obviously, schools that can choose their students perform better than schools that are left with the students that weren’t wanted by the schools that can choose their students. Sort of goes without saying.

(sort of like… what makes Harvard grads so successful isn’t anything that happened for them at Harvard, it’s that Harvard has the luxury of only accepting students who already are/have the qualities that would make them successful no matter where they went to school.)

214 stpaulbear  May 30, 2015 9:57:29am

Jebus, this is a real ad by a Rand Paul PAC (via JoeMyGod)

America’s Liberty PAC — a pro-Paul super PAC — is releasing a five-figure digital ad buy over the weekend, featuring a WWE-style video that promotes a rare gathering of the U.S. Senate this Sunday to debate the Patriot Act just as key provisions of the law are set to expire. “Sunday, Sunday, Sunday,” the juiced-up narrator says, previewing what the PAC is calling a “brawl for liberty” on the Senate floor.

…

215 Great White Snark  May 30, 2015 9:57:35am

re: #205 gwangung

Where I live the spending per student is well above average among public systems, and the academic results are on a scale of chronic severe under funding. Really awful. The reasons are arguable, but all beside my point. IMO vouchers as i describe how they should be allowed are about the schools not parents. We have this other huge thing going on for those that afford it but can’t move or go private. I call it the other home schooling. It’s time and money spent on tutors undoing the damage done by the school that was attended earlier in the day. I don’t agree narrowing the options for parents to get better education is helpful at all. Not where I live.

But then we have those who can not afford tutors, the two income family in an expensive city like Los Angeles. Maybe a stay at home mom giving up the salary to be home for the kids.

And still many want a couple good options if regulated just reasonably well outlawed. i don’t share that baby with the bathwater approach.

216 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2015 10:01:00am

re: #212 HappyWarrior

That is one of the huge problems with the argument that private schools produce better results.
The reason for that is because private schools can choose who can and who can NOT be admitted.
Gaming the system and stacking the odds for best outcomes.

217 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 10:02:20am

re: #214 stpaulbear

Jebus, this is a real ad by a Rand Paul PAC (via JoeMyGod)

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Video

You owe me one minute of my life back on SUNDAY, SUNDAY, SUNDAY. Seriously does Rand’s PAC allies think this makes him look appealing? It looks like a parody of those monster truck events that I remember from the mid 90’s.

218 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 10:04:13am

re: #216 Backwoods_Sleuth

That is one of the huge problems with the argument that private schools produce better results.
The reason for that is because private schools can choose who can and who can NOT be admitted.
Gaming the system and stacking the odds for best outcomes.

Yeah my youngest brother just had a couple friends that got accepted into a private boarding school. I know public education has its problems but public education at least doesn’t ignore things like ADD, ADHD(I have a diagnosis), etc. I also don’t know if these private schools have speech therapy. I know there are private speech therapists but not every parent can afford one.

219 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 10:05:37am

One kid I knew growing up who could have really benefited from an IEP. His mother homeschooled him briefly and then sent him to the same religious based school that his siblings went to. A shame honestly. I really think he could have benefited from the IEP system.

220 Great White Snark  May 30, 2015 10:06:37am

re: #210 A Cranky One

The problem is that if the public schools are failing, moving funds out of the school district to finance private schools just exacerbates the problems at the public schools. The answer should be to fix the public schools, not move away from them.

Above average funding got us this result. LA Schools rated a four out of a possible ten.

221 Justanotherhuman  May 30, 2015 10:07:42am

re: #214 stpaulbear

Holy shit. That was one of the most offensive ad I’ve ever seen.

Heh.

Editor’s note: Sen. Rand Paul’s vow to shut down attempts to authorize an extension of the Patriot Act comes after Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) called a rare Sunday session to attempt to resolve some of the legislation’s details. Without Senate action, the measure will expire at midnight. - Tom
end of note

222 Dark_Falcon  May 30, 2015 10:08:46am

re: #214 stpaulbear

Jebus, this is a real ad by a Rand Paul PAC (via JoeMyGod)

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“It’ll be a Old-Fashioned Kentucky Feud, as Rand ‘Aqua Budda’ Paul attempts to stop Snapping Turtle McConnell! And don’t miss the Ladders of Illogic Match, as Portlandian Ron Wyden faces Texas Thunder Ted Cruz!”

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223 A Cranky One  May 30, 2015 10:09:54am

re: #220 Great White Snark

Above average funding got us this result. LA Schools rated a four out of a possible ten.

The answer is still to fix the schools rather than moving students away. We need to be thinking about the entire student population and not just the ones who can afford other opportunities.

224 allegro  May 30, 2015 10:10:53am

re: #223 A Cranky One

The answer is still to fix the schools rather than moving students away. We need to be thinking about the entire student population and not just the ones who can afford other opportunities.

This.

225 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 10:12:21am

re: #222 Dark_Falcon

“It’ll be a Old-Fashioned Kentucky Feud, as Rand ‘Aqua Budda’ Paul attempts to stop Snapping Turtle McConnell! And don’t miss the Ladders of Illogic Match, as Portlandian Ron Wyden faces Texas Toronto Thunder Ted Cruz!”

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Staying true to the original spirit of the ad lol.

226 Justanotherhuman  May 30, 2015 10:13:17am

re: #220 Great White Snark

Then there is a real problem in the school system itself and how it’s administered.

Not to mention having to deal with 60 different languages spoken by children attending public schools.

dq.cde.ca.gov

227 Kragar  May 30, 2015 10:13:59am
228 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 10:14:10am

re: #223 A Cranky One

The answer is still to fix the schools rather than moving students away. We need to be thinking about the entire student population and not just the ones who can afford other opportunities.

Yes, this. I understand that funding doesn’t always fix the problems but I agree with you. The solution needs to be fixing the schools rather than just moving the students away and that the thought needs to be on the student body as a whole. We need to look at successful school districts and look at what has made them successful rather than just giving up on the schools. Plus when you close down the schools, you are also taking away jobs too I should add.

229 wrenchwench  May 30, 2015 10:14:50am
230 Great White Snark  May 30, 2015 10:15:19am

re: #223 A Cranky One

The answer is still to fix the schools rather than moving students away. We need to be thinking about the entire student population and not just the ones who can afford other opportunities.

First things first-Leave parents options as open as possible until the schools are fixed. Why even locally do I hear louder more politically powerful cries against vouchers than I do to break up LAUSD? because LAUSD has very powerful friends in the legislature and among union leadership. Hand in glove. Suppliers and contractors like the big contracts that go with that great big system. Vouchers and home schooling is a threat to that system, sadly on too small a scale to motivate change. I don’t want Los Angeles regulated on a basis of a religious private school problem way down in the south. Or anywhere else.

231 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 10:15:33am

re: #226 Justanotherhuman

Then there is a real problem in the school system itself and how it’s administered.

Not to mention having to deal with 60 different languages spoken by children attending public schools.

dq.cde.ca.gov

I have to imagine California has ESL programs. A lot of people oppose those too for some weird reason. Don’t know why. There are still plenty of people who still come this country as children and don’t know the language.

232 wrenchwench  May 30, 2015 10:15:44am

re: #226 Justanotherhuman

Then there is a real problem in the school system itself and how it’s administered.

Not to mention having to deal with 60 different languages spoken by children attending public schools.

dq.cde.ca.gov

Something no private school will deal with, even if the parents could afford it.

233 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 10:17:22am

re: #232 wrenchwench

Something no private school will deal with, even if the parents could afford it.

Yeah ESL is another thing along with learning disabilities that the private institutions just aren’t equipped for. Really, I see the appeal but I also am seeing what seems like a classic band aid solution.

234 wrenchwench  May 30, 2015 10:17:33am

re: #230 Great White Snark

First things first-Leave parents options as open as possible until the schools are fixed

That only helps the well-off.

235 allegro  May 30, 2015 10:17:49am

OT baby bird update. As of yesterday I see two little baby mockingbird heads - well mostly mouths - popping up from the nest whenever their busy mom or dad shows up with nosh. Can’t see inside the nest so there might be another hatchling in there. Too cute and so much fun to watch. Hoping they stay safe when we have yet ANOTHER stormy night tonight.

236 Justanotherhuman  May 30, 2015 10:18:36am

re: #235 allegro

Hope these don’t come after them. ///

237 wrenchwench  May 30, 2015 10:19:51am

re: #235 allegro

OT baby bird update. As of yesterday I see two little baby mockingbird heads - well mostly mouths - popping up from the nest whenever their busy mom or dad shows up with nosh. Can’t see inside the nest so there might be another hatchling in there. Too cute and so much fun to watch. Hoping they stay safe when we have yet ANOTHER stormy night tonight.

I heard a mocking bird this morning as I walked to work, I looked up, and it looked like a robin! I thought, ‘wow, they’re including costumes now!’

238 BeachDem  May 30, 2015 10:21:11am

re: #205 gwangung

Then make sure the options actually apply. Vouchers are a solution for parents, not schools. And vouchers are only a solution for parents when they cover ALL costs for school, not just tuition.

As it works out, where schools fail, it is in areas where spending per student is below other more successful schools, and it is an indirect, blunderbuss approach that has far more effects in others other than effectiveness in educating students.

IOW, the law of unintended consequences apply to EVERYONE.

I agree with everything you say, except that I think it is the law of INTENDED consequences.

Jonathan Kozol has written about the inequality of education for decades in books like “Savage Inequalities: Children in America’s Schools” and “Fire in the Ashes: Twenty-Five Years Among the Poorest Children in America.”

I’ll never forget when I was reading “Ordinary Resurrections,” which was one of his more hopeful books—and got into his direct interactions with kids in the South Bronx. I was sitting in a coffee shop while reading, and just burst into tears. People were staring at me, and asking me what was wrong. It was hard to explain that I was reading a non-fiction book about education.

The thing that has stayed with me all these years later, is one particular passage where he talks about business people coming into the schools to convince kids to train for specific jobs—not aspirational careers, but “make a living” type jobs. And doing it to young kids—more or less saying to them, “You’ll never be a doctor or an engineer, so start early and learn a trade.” So damn sad.

One of the Amazon reviews describes it pretty well: Stories shared indicate that expectations are set lower than other areas of the city and children’s dreams for the future are effectively stifled. They are encouraged to plan careers as hairdressers, nurse’s aides, or technicians, rather than professionals requiring a college degree. Kozol urges us not to impose “global preconceptions on a multitude of diverse personalities and motivations in a given group of’ children”.

Factoid—when creepy Bernie Goldberg wrote “100 People Who Are Screwing Up America,” Jonathan Kozol was his number nine. And factoid #2—Fred Rogers worked with Kozol a lot (one more reason to love Mr. Rogers.)

239 Dark_Falcon  May 30, 2015 10:22:53am

re: #230 Great White Snark

First things first-Leave parents options as open as possible until the schools are fixed. Why even locally do I hear louder more politically powerful cries against vouchers than I do to break up LAUSD? Because LAUSD has very powerful friends in the legislature and among union leadership. Hand in glove. Suppliers and contractors like the big contracts that go with that great big system. Vouchers and home schooling is a threat to that system, sadly on too small a scale to motivate change. I don’t want Los Angeles regulated on a basis of a religious private school problem way down in the south. Or anywhere else.

Your point about why LAUSD can’t be broken up is very well made, your point in the sentence I bolded even more so.

And it bears repeating that different educational systems in different parts of the US have different problems, and the person who says he or she has a near-universal education fix is either delusional or a liar. America’s a big and diverse country and its education solutions, such as they may be found, will be equally diverse.

240 wrenchwench  May 30, 2015 10:24:28am

re: #238 BeachDem

I read The Night Is Dark and I Am Far From Home. And we had him come speak at my college, which resulted in one student dropping out and joining the Peace Corps.

241 b_sharp  May 30, 2015 10:24:31am

re: #236 Justanotherhuman

Hope these don’t come after them. ///

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Don’t they have self powered, self fueling, autonomous, jumping thing-a-ma-bobbers you can ride already?

Somebody told me they’re called ‘horses’.

242 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 10:24:34am

The other problem is too often legislatures see cutting education as a solution. Legislatures would rather cut education funding than be seen as “tax raisers” and that really is a damned shame.

243 Great White Snark  May 30, 2015 10:25:46am

re: #234 wrenchwench

That only helps the well-off.

Not necessarily. The well off can go private without vouchers, or can home school with private full time tutors. The middle and down can be surprisingly creative. Given the chance anyway. One option should be de criminalizing violating school system borders.

244 sagehen  May 30, 2015 10:26:02am

re: #226 Justanotherhuman

Then there is a real problem in the school system itself and how it’s administered.

Not to mention having to deal with 60 different languages spoken by children attending public schools.

dq.cde.ca.gov

I confess, I don’t exactly understand why the languages are such a problem. Children’s brains are incredibly language-malleable, it’s only grown-ups who can’t learn another. When my dad was a kid, half the students at his elementary school were from Yiddish-speaking homes, the other half were from Italian-speaking homes, he was a teenager before he ever met anybody whose parents spoke English, but school was entirely in English and the kids picked it up right quick.

245 wrenchwench  May 30, 2015 10:26:58am

re: #243 Great White Snark

Not necessarily. The well off can go private without vouchers, or can home school with private full time tutors. The middle and down can be surprisingly creative. Given the chance anyway. One option should be de criminalizing violating school system borders.

Homeschooling only works for the unemployed.

246 Great White Snark  May 30, 2015 10:28:12am

re: #245 wrenchwench

That’s one way to describe a stay at home parent I guess.

247 Pip's Squeak  May 30, 2015 10:29:44am

re: #231 HappyWarrior

I have to imagine California has ESL programs. A lot of people oppose those too for some weird reason. Don’t know why. There are still plenty of people who still come this country as children and don’t know the language.

A young child will learn a foreign language within weeks. All what is necessary is immersion. In this I speak from personal experience. And no, neither parent spoke English.

248 wrenchwench  May 30, 2015 10:30:05am

re: #246 Great White Snark

That’s one way to describe a stay at home parent I guess.

I’m talking about those who need the income.

249 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2015 10:32:25am

re: #247 Pip’s Squeak

A young child will learn a foreign language within weeks. All what is necessary is immersion. In this I speak from personal experience. And no, neither parent spoke English.

I grew up in an immigrant neighborhood in Buffalo NY.
I knew at least a dozen different languages before I entered my teenage years, just by interacting with the parents of my friends.

Learned a lot of curse words in the process. :D

250 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 10:35:50am

re: #247 Pip’s Squeak

A young child will learn a foreign language within weeks. All what is necessary is immersion. In this I speak from personal experience. And no, neither parent spoke English.

Well young children yes but there are also children like my sisters in law who were close to high school age when they got here. A grade school aged child definitely does pick it up better which is why those who take foreign language in elementary school I think do better than those who did not.

251 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 10:36:27am

re: #249 Backwoods_Sleuth

I grew up in an immigrant neighborhood in Buffalo NY.
I knew at least a dozen different languages before I entered my teenage years, just by interacting with the parents of my friends.

Learned a lot of curse words in the process. :D

You gotta teach me some Slovak ones. My grandmother doesn’t remember and I think would be too prudish to tell me even if she did.

252 Great White Snark  May 30, 2015 10:36:30am

re: #248 wrenchwench

I’m talking about those who need the income.

Those that need the income and face a poor public school are exactly the ones that might need a voucher the most. Income qualified, Check. Local public school not up to academic average let alone better? Check.

Sure, fix the local school! All that becomes un necessary. Not fixed yet? Let the parents do or decide what is needed. Around here going fundy just is not a risk like it is in the Bible belt.

253 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 10:36:59am

re: #245 wrenchwench

Homeschooling only works for the unemployed.

It works for those who have a lot of time on their hands. Homeschooling is a middle class luxury.

254 BeachDem  May 30, 2015 10:37:26am

re: #240 wrenchwench

I read The Night Is Dark and I Am Far From Home. And we had him come speak at my college, which resulted in one student dropping out and joining the Peace Corps.

Lucky you, to see him in person. I’ve watched interviews with him on “Book Week” and the like, and I think he is just an extraordinary person. “Rachel and Her Children,” about homelessness just ripped my heart out.

255 makeitstop  May 30, 2015 10:38:03am

Good morning and greetz from the Wild, Wild West - Las Vegas, specifically.

Sure is warm out here. Killing time before the Big Rock Show tonight.

256 wrenchwench  May 30, 2015 10:38:50am

re: #252 Great White Snark

Those that need the income and face a poor public school are exactly the ones that might need a voucher the most. Income qualified, Check. Local public school not up to academic average let alone better? Check.

Sure, fix the local school! All that becomes un necessary. Not fixed yet? Let the parents do or decide what is needed. Around here going fundy just is not a risk like it is in the Bible belt.

But vouchers don’t solve their problems. They do reduce the pressure to fix the public schools, which are a necessity for the poor and middle class.

257 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2015 10:39:29am

re: #251 HappyWarrior

You gotta teach me some Slovak ones. My grandmother doesn’t remember and I think would be too prudish to tell me even if she did.

youswear.com

258 wrenchwench  May 30, 2015 10:39:39am

re: #254 BeachDem

Lucky you, to see him in person. I’ve watched interviews with him on “Book Week” and the like, and I think he is just an extraordinary person. “Rachel and Her Children,” about homelessness just ripped my heart out.

He’s quite a guy. Seemed very sad.

259 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  May 30, 2015 10:39:40am

re: #254 BeachDem

Lucky you, to see him in person. I’ve watched interviews with him on “Book Week” and the like, and I think he is just an extraordinary person. “Rachel and Her Children,” about homelessness just ripped my heart out.

I can’t read anything by Kozol. It makes me too pissed off, sorta like Eirenreich’s “Nickled and Dimed.”

260 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 10:40:05am

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

youswear.com

Thanks.

261 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 10:41:02am

re: #259 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I can’t read anything by Kozol. It makes me too pissed off, sorta like Eirenreich’s “Nickled and Dimed.”

I feel that way reading Zinn myself I know Zinn had some uh quite radical views but that doesn’t change the history.

262 wrenchwench  May 30, 2015 10:44:33am
263 Justanotherhuman  May 30, 2015 10:44:43am

re: #244 sagehen

Well, ESL has been mandated. A lot depends on, I suppose, the emphasis on having to speak English in a predominantly English speaking country in order to succeed, and that used to be the case. And we have a far more diverse immigration population today from all over the globe.

There wasn’t much emphasis on even taking a foreign language for “native” English speakers. I took Spanish because as a teen, I was around a lot of Cuban and Puerto Rican kids and it appealed to me (also took more of it 20 yrs later). We can’t simply go back to 60 yrs earlier, when I was an elem student, and demand that it’s a “sink or swim” situation anymore. And that literally was what it was. A lot of kids just dropped out before they even reached HS, with parents’ permission because they were needed (or wanted) to be earning money.

My mother and her siblings all graduated from HS, AFAIK, but only one made it to college. OTOH, my father only went as far as 8th grade, and after my mother died, didn’t really care if we finished HS or not. He simply wanted us out of the house when he felt we were old enough to make our own way.

264 Dark_Falcon  May 30, 2015 10:44:57am

re: #256 wrenchwench

But vouchers don’t solve their problems. They do reduce the pressure to fix the public schools, which are a necessity for the poor and middle class.

They reduce the pressure on the public and reduce some pressure on the politicians to fix the schools, but the most problematic group out RWC’s way is the teacher’s union and vouchers do increase pressure on a teachers union in the same way US assembly plants for Honda and Toyota put pressure on the UAW: Either the union finds a way to produce greater value in its labor or it sees its membership and power erode as the public takes its money elsewhere.

Note: The above applies to LA, but should not be read as universal. Places like Mississippi might indeed be unable to make such a system work for religious and social (read race-relations reasons).

265 BeachDem  May 30, 2015 10:45:52am

re: #259 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I can’t read anything by Kozol. It makes me too pissed off, sorta like Eirenreich’s “Nickled and Dimed.”

I hear you. I admit, I have to read him in small doses, with a lot of breaks.

266 #FergusonFireside  May 30, 2015 10:45:52am

re: #193 darthstar

Want to get some drone selfies but are afraid you’ll crash the fucking thing and throw $1000 down the toilet?

Meet Lily

Check out the video. I suspect this could be a bit of a problem when too many Lilies show up at the same park.

I think that is awesome. It would be fun to track your dogs down the beach.

267 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2015 10:46:02am

re: #260 HappyWarrior

Thanks.

The f-word seems quite popular in many variations. ;)

268 The War TARDIS  May 30, 2015 10:46:35am

re: #256 wrenchwench

You are making the mistake that you think he cares about about the poor, middle class, or disabled.

He is a conservative. As far as he is concerned, we can rot.

Having a bad day, and instead lashing out at the close conservative friend I usually berate, I am venting here.

269 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 10:47:13am

re: #267 Backwoods_Sleuth

The f-word seems quite popular in many variations. ;)

Yep, I’m Slovak. I love the f-word for how delightfully versatile it is.

270 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  May 30, 2015 10:47:18am

re: #264 Dark_Falcon

They reduce the pressure on the public and reduce some pressure on the politicians to fix the schools, but the most problematic group out RWC’s way is the teacher’s union and vouchers do increase pressure on a teachers union in the same way US assembly plants for Honda and Toyota put pressure on the UAW: Either the union finds a way to produce greater value in its labor or it sees its membership and power erode as the public takes its money elsewhere.

Note: The above applies to LA, but should not be read as universal. Places like Mississippi might indeed be unable to make such a system work for religious and social (read race-relations reasons).

So you’re drawing it back to the unions. Ugh.

271 wrenchwench  May 30, 2015 10:47:39am

re: #264 Dark_Falcon

They reduce the pressure on the public and reduce some pressure on the politicians to fix the schools, but the most problematic group out RWC’s way is the teacher’s union and vouchers do increase pressure on a teachers union in the same way US assembly plants for Honda and Toyota put pressure on the UAW: Either the union finds a way to produce greater value in its labor or it sees its membership and power erode as the public takes its money elsewhere.

Note: The above applies to LA, but should not be read as universal. Places like Mississippi might indeed be unable to make such a system work for religious and social (read race-relations reasons).

I grew up out RWC’s way. Don’t tell me teacher’s unions are the problem.

272 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 10:48:57am

re: #268 The War TARDIS

You are making the mistake that you think he cares about about the poor, middle class, or disabled.

He is a conservative. As far as he is concerned, we can rot.

Having a bad day, and instead lashing out at the close conservative friend I usually berate, I am venting here.

That really isn’t fair to him and you know that. Please.

273 Great White Snark  May 30, 2015 10:49:00am

re: #256 wrenchwench

The well off ought not even qualify for a voucher. As I described them wholly unlike the abuses of other areas, they support the poor and lower middle by helping prevent the under education K-10 of their kids. When they do get to a better school, it does indeed reduce or remove the problem of under education.

Improve the schools and you get fewer voucher applications.

274 Kragar  May 30, 2015 10:49:10am
275 The War TARDIS  May 30, 2015 10:50:04am

re: #272 HappyWarrior

How is he different?

276 wrenchwench  May 30, 2015 10:51:10am

re: #268 The War TARDIS

You are making the mistake that you think he cares about about the poor, middle class, or disabled.

He is a conservative. As far as he is concerned, we can rot.

Having a bad day, and instead lashing out at the close conservative friend I usually berate, I am venting here.

I don’t think he doesn’t care. I think he is not familiar with the way some people live. If you can share the cause of your bad day (verbally), you might benefit more folks than just yourself.

277 wrenchwench  May 30, 2015 10:52:43am

re: #273 Great White Snark

The well off ought not even qualify for a voucher. As I described them wholly unlike the abuses of other areas, they support the poor and lower middle by helping prevent the under education K-10 of their kids. When they do get to a better school, it does indeed reduce or remove the problem of under education.

Improve the schools and you get fewer voucher applications.

I see some possible benefit in the competition, but I doubt the possibility of a level playing field.

278 ObserverArt  May 30, 2015 10:52:50am

re: #255 makeitstop

Good morning and greetz from the Wild, Wild West - Las Vegas, specifically.

Sure is warm out here. Killing time before the Big Rock Show tonight.

The big rock show in Las Vegas???

I thought the absolute biggest rock show was tonight in Ohio Stadium, “The Shoe” when the Rolling Stones take the stage.

Why, even Mike Jagger tweeted local Columbus media saying they were looking forward to being in the largest venue they will be playing this tour.

By the way, weather seems like it could be iffy tonight. Stones might get a wet crowd. Tickets were still available too, so that might ding walk-up buyers.

I imagine they could pack 100,000 plus in there, but I doubt it will be that big. You never know though…it the Stones.

279 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 10:52:59am

re: #276 wrenchwench

I don’t think he doesn’t care. I think he is not familiar with the way some people live. If you can share the cause of your bad day (verbally), you might benefit more folks than just yourself.

Thanks WW. Said it better than I could. There really is nothing in RWC’s words here that suggests to me that he doesn’t care about education for the disabled or less well off. Agree with your point about the source of the bad day too.

280 A Cranky One  May 30, 2015 10:53:33am

re: #275 The War TARDIS

How is he different?

We are having a fairly civil discussion of an issue. While there is disagreement, it is a civil discussion. Let’s keep it that way please.

281 Dark_Falcon  May 30, 2015 10:53:36am

re: #270 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

re: #271 wrenchwench

I’ll get to you two in a little bit. Let me take care of this other dust-up first.

282 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2015 10:53:49am

re: #275 The War TARDIS

How is he different?

And there was some high moral road reason you downdinged HW at 269?

283 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 10:54:57am

re: #275 The War TARDIS

How is he different?

Show me anything in his words here that suggests that he does. Yes, RWC is considerably more conservative than you or I on this issue but that doesn’t mean that he doesn’t care. You can’t use the fact you’re having a bad day to tell him that he doesn’t care about higher education opps for poor and disabled people. I’m sorry. I know you’re having a rough day and that sucks but please just stop using that as an excuse to do question his motivations.

284 Great White Snark  May 30, 2015 10:55:08am

re: #268 The War TARDIS

You are making the mistake that you think he cares about about the poor, middle class, or disabled.

He is a conservative. As far as he is concerned, we can rot.

Having a bad day, and instead lashing out at the close conservative friend I usually berate, I am venting here.

And you are wrong about me and the points i made above. Take it easy. Try and repair the day.

285 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  May 30, 2015 10:56:20am

I’ve never seen GWS as a RWNJ - maybe Libertarian-curious. Am I missing something here?

286 The War TARDIS  May 30, 2015 10:56:26am

re: #282 Backwoods_Sleuth

I am on a phone.

Fixing that. My dexterity is poor. I did not know I tapped it.

287 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  May 30, 2015 10:57:19am

re: #286 The War TARDIS

I am on a phone.

Fixing that. My dexterity is poor. I did not know I tapped it.

Have accidentally downdinged on a phone before.

288 A Cranky One  May 30, 2015 10:57:50am

re: #287 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Have accidentally downdinged on a phone before.

Me three.

289 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 10:58:15am

re: #285 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I’ve never seen GWS as a RWNJ - maybe Libertarian-curious. Am I missing something here?

I think Libertarian leaning but reasonable people are allowed to have differing opinions. My objection was with Tardis saying that he didn’t care about poor or disabled people. RWC never said anything like “Tough shit if they’re poor or disabled.”

290 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 10:59:03am

re: #288 A Cranky One

Me three.

me four. No big deal. Didn’t even notice the DD until BS brought it up which amused me more than upset me.

291 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2015 11:00:36am

re: #286 The War TARDIS

I am on a phone.

Fixing that. My dexterity is poor. I did not know I tapped it.

ok. was just wondering if it was that or more venting. :)

292 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2015 11:01:18am

re: #290 HappyWarrior

me four. No big deal. Didn’t even notice the DD until BS brought it up which amused me more than upset me.

My Slovak grandma would have wanted a word with him if it had been intentional. :D

293 The War TARDIS  May 30, 2015 11:01:41am

re: #276 wrenchwench

Not hearing from people when I need too.

Usually, I would lash at a conservative friend I have in DC. But I feel bad about it now, considering she let’s me each time, and keeps being nice.

294 ObserverArt  May 30, 2015 11:02:17am

re: #256 wrenchwench

But vouchers don’t solve their problems. They do reduce the pressure to fix the public schools, which are a necessity for the poor and middle class.

You know what else is sad. The whole private schools and voucher thing is only workable in a big city or large metro area. At least that seems to be the case.

What happens to the small towns that are already down and struggling? No one is going to be quick to set up a charter school in a depressed small town.

And Ohio has many of them. And they have always had a funding problem. Many years ago the Ohio Supreme courts found in favor of New Lexington schools that the method of funding public schools in Ohio was unconstitutional and needs to be fixed.

I think that was in ‘95 or so. Still no fix. All the politicians have turned a blind eye to finding a solution. In the meantime, hey look charter schools…that’ll be cool.

And here in Columbus, the charter schools in some cases didn’t last too long, forcing kids last minute shifts to another school because the one they were going to go to shut down. Funny thing. They seem to be doing better as a concept in the richer communities than in the poorer. Just like the public schools.

295 Dark_Falcon  May 30, 2015 11:02:26am

re: #268 The War TARDIS

You are making the mistake that you think he cares about about the poor, middle class, or disabled.

He is a conservative. As far as he is concerned, we can rot.

Having a bad day, and instead lashing out at the close conservative friend I usually berate, I am venting here.

I know what you’re doing and venting on people who aren’t the authors of the problems you face is not a solution. Believe me, I used to do that myself, and even now I’ve caught myself doing it and had to change course. However less bad you end up feeling, attacking someone for being something others know they are not makes you look like an asshole, just like it made me look like an asshole. It’s not fair to the target and it’s not worth the social blowback you suffer from doing it.

You’ve said you want romance and you want more friends. If so, you gotta stop lashing out like that. It not only annoys others, but it scares them as well, since they know the target of the attack doesn’t deserve it. Please, PLL, for your own sake, calm down and think about what you’re doing.

296 Great White Snark  May 30, 2015 11:02:51am

re: #289 HappyWarrior

Thanks for that. I think TWT flat out missed or did not even read my point about vouchers possibly being better for the poor parent near crappy public schools, having an income means test that would exclude the well off,

297 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 11:04:27am

re: #292 Backwoods_Sleuth

My Slovak grandma would have wanted a word with him if it had been intentional. :D

Mine too. And Slovak women as you know are tough cookies. Got a fun story though about being Slovak. It was my first trip in Europe and my roommate and I were in Vienna one night looking for a bar. We found one and the bartender was from Slovakia. I mentioned my grandmother’s folks having emigrated from there and she just loved that since I think so many Americans mix up Slovenia and Slovakia which amuses me being Slovene as well. Anyhow, we just hit it off. Got a complimentary shot of Jager and we cheered to Slovakia and we visited again our final night there.

298 The War TARDIS  May 30, 2015 11:05:04am

re: #296 Great White Snark

I simply don’t believe in Conservative solutions.

299 Great White Snark  May 30, 2015 11:05:29am

Just to take this in a perhaps interesting direction-Why not subsidize tutors with vouchers? Means testing, performance tested, credentials required. Less problematic?

300 #FergusonFireside  May 30, 2015 11:06:15am

re: #255 makeitstop

Good morning and greetz from the Wild, Wild West - Las Vegas, specifically.

Sure is warm out here. Killing time before the Big Rock Show tonight.

If you walk too far on black top your shoes will melt.

301 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 11:06:35am

re: #296 Great White Snark

Thanks for that. I think TWT flat out missed or did not even read my point about vouchers possibly being better for the poor parent near crappy public schools, having an income means test that would exclude the well off,

Don’t mention it. You weren’t being nasty or even disagreeable. You just had a differing point of view.

302 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 11:07:35am

re: #298 The War TARDIS

I simply don’t believe in Conservative solutions.

Then attack the idea not the individual espousing them. I’m sorry if I sound like I’m ganging up on you here man, I really am and I empathize with a lot of what you go through with people but at the same time, you have to realize that you’re dealing with a person here just like you.

303 bratwurst  May 30, 2015 11:08:51am

re: #268 The War TARDIS

You are making the mistake that you think he cares about about the poor, middle class, or disabled.

He is a conservative. As far as he is concerned, we can rot.

Having a bad day, and instead lashing out at the close conservative friend I usually berate, I am venting here.

People here are more empathetic than perhaps anywhere else on the web…but nobody likes to have their empathy tested on a regular basis.

304 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 11:09:04am

re: #299 Great White Snark

Just to take this in a perhaps interesting direction-Why not subsidize tutors with vouchers? Means testing, performance tested, credentials required. Less problematic?

Now you got me interested. My problem with the voucher program A( involves the monies going into ultra religious institutions and B) and how special needs children are neglected by private schools(which I concede isn’t out of choice always but a reality). I still agree with the big focus should be on fixing the schools but this is an interesting idea.

305 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  May 30, 2015 11:09:05am

I like the principled disagreements here. Even though I disagree wholeheartedly with D_F on just about everything, I’d like to think we could have a Chicago hotdog together.

306 Justanotherhuman  May 30, 2015 11:09:36am

re: #298 The War TARDIS

Then you should say that.

No ad hominem attacks, please.

307 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 11:11:14am

re: #305 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I like the principled disagreements here. Even though I disagree wholeheartedly with D_F on just about everything, I’d like to think we could have a Chicago hotdog together.

I think you guys could have a hot dog more enjoyably together than either of you could with me since you both would be calling me a heathen since I’m in team Ketchup when it comes to hot dogs and I make no apologies about that hahaha though I must say, I had a layover at Midway and those Maxwell Street sausages you guys have are to die for.

308 Justanotherhuman  May 30, 2015 11:12:33am

Of course. Faux News. Of course.

Editor’s note: Fox announced Saturday that Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar will speak with Fox anchor Megyn Kelly next Wednesday about the Josh Duggar molestation scandal. - Tom
end of note

What more could they possibly say, except to lie some more?

309 Targetpractice  May 30, 2015 11:13:51am

re: #308 Justanotherhuman

Of course. Faux News. Of course.

Editor’s note: Fox announced Saturday that Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar will speak with Fox anchor Megyn Kelly next Wednesday about the Josh Duggar molestation scandal. - Tom
end of note

What more could they possibly say, except to lie some more?

Needed a few days for their lawyers to come up with a believable cover story. I wonder if the TLC suits told them it’s time to throw Josh under the bus?

310 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 11:13:59am

And let me say this about RWC, we have a totally differing perspective on guns but he’s been one of the best spoken lizards when it comes to discussing police brutality and misconduct.

311 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 11:15:03am

re: #308 Justanotherhuman

Of course. Faux News. Of course.

Editor’s note: Fox announced Saturday that Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar will speak with Fox anchor Megyn Kelly next Wednesday about the Josh Duggar molestation scandal. - Tom
end of note

What more could they possibly say, except to lie some more?

It’s probably a way for the Duggars and FNC to try to make Jim Bob and Michelle to be the real victims and for the real bad guy not to be Josh but those on the left rightfully pointing out what a nasty piece of hypocritical crap he is.

312 CBGB  May 30, 2015 11:15:21am

re: #236 Justanotherhuman

<Solid Snake>

“Metal…Gear…!?”

</Solid Snake>

313 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 11:16:16am

re: #312 CBGB

<Solid Snake>

“Metal…Gear…!?”

</Solid Snake>

Win. Always good to meet other MGS fans too.

314 A Cranky One  May 30, 2015 11:19:08am

re: #307 HappyWarrior

I think you guys could have a hot dog more enjoyably together than either of you could with me since you both would be calling me a heathen since I’m in team Ketchup when it comes to hot dogs and I make no apologies about that hahaha though I must say, I had a layover at Midway and those Maxwell Street sausages you guys have are to die for.

Here I am encouraging civility and then you have to mention Ketchup on hot dogs. Get off my lawn!!!

/ ;)

315 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 11:21:20am

re: #314 A Cranky One

Here I am encouraging civility and then you have to mention Ketchup on hot dogs. Get off my lawn!!!

/ ;)

I just don[‘t see why it’s such a big deal. I mean I’ve seen the arguments now like ketchup being too sweet to put on meat but I like it. Condiments are kind of funny to think about it though. French fries and ketchup. Dipping tomato sauce into potatoes. I remember reading the the original ketchup was a fish sauce more originally and Americans played a big role in making it tomatoey.

316 CleverToad  May 30, 2015 11:21:27am

re: #182 Dark_Falcon

Don’t underestimate the kids — mine loved Dark Crystal. They have the advantage of being able to watch a wide range of movies & TV old and new, and a lot of the kid’s friends seem to be taking advantage of it. Always amusing when they break out in Monty Python routines!

317 Justanotherhuman  May 30, 2015 11:21:59am

re: #309 Targetpractice

Even TLC should be able to discern that Josh was a minor and he himself, as well as his sisters, the actual victims, were manipulated by these sanctimonious asshole parents, by covering up his criminal activity. He was the first child, the first boy, and he was “golden”, except for those awful things he did. They had their own reputations, as well as his, to protect, in the long run.

318 CBGB  May 30, 2015 11:22:12am

re: #313 HappyWarrior

It’s like being in a secret club. You hear someone make a “what’s the box” joke and think to yourself, “yeah, they know.”

319 Justanotherhuman  May 30, 2015 11:22:54am

re: #315 HappyWarrior

You have company. Like most kids, the Munchkin prefers his hot dogs w/ketchup, too. : )

320 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 11:23:48am

re: #319 Justanotherhuman

You have company. Like most kids, the Munchkin prefers his hot dogs w/ketchup, too. : )

Hey my grandmother worked at Heinz and I’m a Pittsburgher at heart even though I’ve never lived there or even in Pennsylvania.

321 A Cranky One  May 30, 2015 11:24:01am

re: #299 Great White Snark

Just to take this in a perhaps interesting direction-Why not subsidize tutors with vouchers? Means testing, performance tested, credentials required. Less problematic?

Intriguing suggestion. Don’t think I’d have any problem with that. Could actually help.

322 The War TARDIS  May 30, 2015 11:24:09am

re: #306 Justanotherhuman

I do have a culture war mindset. So I see it as that one is on one side or the other. The other side being bad.

You are saying the same thing as the friend in DC. She is also saying that there are many Republicans and Democrats that are friends in DC, and wishes that I could see that.

Actually, the more I think about it the worse I feel. When she came out and said she was Republican, I immediately accused her of wanting Muslims killed. And since then, every few weeks, I lash out at her for something a Republican on the national stage has done. And yet, she would like me to come to DC.

323 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2015 11:24:22am

Totally O/T but I was sleeping during the genealogy/DNA discussion downstairs and added a few late comments to the thread.
Coolest thing happened today when I found out my eejit brother finally got around to activating his 23andMe account so I can see what the family’s paternal haplogroup is.
I was expecting something seriously seriously Irish but, instead, it’s a somewhat finely defined group that starts in the Mediterranean (mostly Italy and Balkans), then breaks off a few times and, ultimately, is almost always directly connected with Doggerland.

This is so very cool.

324 Dark_Falcon  May 30, 2015 11:24:27am

re: #308 Justanotherhuman

Of course. Faux News. Of course.

Editor’s note: Fox announced Saturday that Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar will speak with Fox anchor Megyn Kelly next Wednesday about the Josh Duggar molestation scandal. - Tom
end of note

What more could they possibly say, except to lie some more?

Well, Fox has let Megyn Kelly take guests to the woodshed at times so perhaps that’s the Duggars’ plan: Being chastised by Kelly on-air as a act of public penance. They can’t expect her to go lightly on them, since she’s a mother of a girl herself. Which is why its Jim Bob and Michelle Ms. Kelly will be interviewing: If she caught sight of their eldest son right now she’d likely carve a ‘P’ onto his forehead with whatever she had to hand.

325 BeachDem  May 30, 2015 11:24:34am

re: #311 HappyWarrior

It’s probably a way for the Duggars and FNC to try to make Jim Bob and Michelle to be the real victims and for the real bad guy not to be Josh but those on the left rightfully pointing out what a nasty piece of hypocritical crap he is.

And, if only he were not running for president, Huckabee could provide a musical accompaniment for the bullshit.

326 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 11:25:12am

re: #318 CBGB

It’s like being in a secret club. You hear someone make a “what’s the box” joke and think to yourself, “yeah, they know.”

Haha yep. I still have my PSX copy of MGS. I must have beaten that game like 50 times now. I had a pal rig a gameshark to get me the stealth camo and bandana. I still have my original save from 1998. I like showing it to my youngest brother and his friends and going “See this digital data is older than you.”

327 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  May 30, 2015 11:25:22am

re: #307 HappyWarrior

I think you guys could have a hot dog more enjoyably together than either of you could with me since you both would be calling me a heathen since I’m in team Ketchup when it comes to hot dogs and I make no apologies about that hahaha though I must say, I had a layover at Midway and those Maxwell Street sausages you guys have are to die for.

Team Ketchup did you say? (¬_¬)

328 Varek Raith  May 30, 2015 11:27:39am

re: #312 CBGB

<Solid Snake>

“Metal…Gear…!?”

</Solid Snake>

SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKKKEEEEEEEEEEE!

329 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 11:28:33am

re: #327 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Team Ketchup did you say? (¬_¬)

Yeah I’m sorry. I know it’s heresy to Chicagoans but I like it on my dog.

330 Justanotherhuman  May 30, 2015 11:29:28am

When I ate meat many years ago, there was nothing more perfect than a “Carolina” hot dog: Grilled with chili (no beans) and cole slaw. : )

Hot dog wars!

331 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 11:30:12am

mentalfloss.com

332 Dark_Falcon  May 30, 2015 11:30:14am

re: #307 HappyWarrior

I think you guys could have a hot dog more enjoyably together than either of you could with me since you both would be calling me a heathen since I’m in team Ketchup when it comes to hot dogs and I make no apologies about that hahaha though I must say, I had a layover at Midtown and those Maxwell Street sausages you guys have are to die for.

It’s probably treason for me to say this but:

Click to Reveal

I cut my hot dogs up and dip each piece in ketchup before eating them.

But I seldom have eaten a hot bog these part two years. Chicago hot dogs are made of beef, and my gout means I’ve had to cut my beef intake back.

333 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  May 30, 2015 11:30:43am

re: #329 HappyWarrior

Yeah I’m sorry. I know it’s heresy to Chicagoans but I like it on my dog.

Hey, I grew up in Texas, so I give you a plus one for the ketchup kurve.

334 A Cranky One  May 30, 2015 11:30:43am

re: #315 HappyWarrior

I just don[‘t see why it’s such a big deal. I mean I’ve seen the arguments now like ketchup being too sweet to put on meat but I like it. Condiments are kind of funny to think about it though. French fries and ketchup. Dipping tomato sauce into potatoes. I remember reading the the original ketchup was a fish sauce more originally and Americans played a big role in making it tomatoey.

I tease. Mrs Cranky likes ketchup on hot dogs and pineapple on pizza. I love her anyway, despite her heresies.

335 Varek Raith  May 30, 2015 11:30:53am

WTF.

336 Varek Raith  May 30, 2015 11:32:00am

re: #332 Dark_Falcon

It’s probably treason for me to say this but:

[Embedded content]

But I seldom have eaten a hot bog these part two years. Chicago hot dogs are made of beef, and my gout means I’ve had to cut my beef intake back.

That sucks.
But I hear ya.
My acid reflux goes haywire when I have beef.
So, less beef here too.
Sigh.

337 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 11:32:03am

re: #332 Dark_Falcon

It’s probably treason for me to say this but:

[Embedded content]

But I seldom have eaten a hot bog these part two years. Chicago hot dogs are made of beef, and my gout means I’ve had to cut my beef intake back.

Hope your health gets better. I was just teasing you and Arthur since everyone I’ve ever met from Chicago insists no ketchup and gives me the old stink eye if I think it’s a good idea. I like trying different methods though.

338 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 11:32:39am

re: #333 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Hey, I grew up in Texas, so I give you a plus one for the ketchup kurve.

Haha I thought you were rolling your eyes at me.

339 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 11:33:05am

re: #335 Varek Raith

WTF.

I hate reality TV.

340 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  May 30, 2015 11:33:10am

I’m not in Chicago, so it’s no sweat off my back. I still don’t get the pickle.

341 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  May 30, 2015 11:33:54am

re: #338 HappyWarrior

Haha I thought you were rolling your eyes at me.

That was my side-eye of “where can you hook me up with some of that stuff :D”

342 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 11:34:19am

I actually realized recently that my problem isn’t with the pickle on the burger at McD’s. It’s that the pickles they use stink and have no crunch. Got some deli pickles the other day and used them on my burger the other night and they enhanced it.

343 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 11:35:27am

re: #341 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

That was my side-eye of “where can you hook me up with some of that stuff :D”

Ohhhhhhhh gotcha. But yeah I do what I call a tricolor-hot dog. Kethcup, deli mustard, and relish. Now my one thing is I am definitely a strong supporter of team deli mustard over regular yellow mustard. The latter just doesn’t do it for me.

344 Justanotherhuman  May 30, 2015 11:36:35am

re: #335 Varek Raith

WTF.

What the fuck indeed. Exploit much, CBS?

345 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  May 30, 2015 11:39:35am

re: #343 HappyWarrior

Ohhhhhhhh gotcha. But yeah I do what I call a tricolor-hot dog. Kethcup, deli mustard, and relish. Now my one thing is I am definitely a strong supporter of team deli mustard over regular yellow mustard. The latter just doesn’t do it for me.

Deli Mustard and yellow mustard? Please. This debate doesn’t need to happen. Deli Mustard ftw!

346 Dark_Falcon  May 30, 2015 11:39:59am

re: #325 BeachDem

And, if only he were not running for president, Huckabee could provide a musical accompaniment for the bullshit.

He’s the only presidential candidate who’ll talk to them at this point. Rick Santorum cut off any association with them, saying he was disgusted by Josh Duggar’s actions. Of course, I’m pretty sure that Rick Santorum has a daughter near in age to the girls Josh victimized at the time of his gross misdeeds, so his reaction was that of a father not that of a politician.

Note: The above isn’t praise of Rick Santorum. His reaction to josh Duggar being outer as a child molester is the normal and appropriate one, so having it wins a person no points (it just means they don’t lose any for trying to weasel).

347 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 11:41:19am

re: #345 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Deli Mustard and yellow mustard? Please. This debate doesn’t need to happen. Deli Mustard ftw!

Yeah it’s not even close.

348 Justanotherhuman  May 30, 2015 11:41:47am

re: #332 Dark_Falcon

My son, who will be 56 this year, developed gout. He’s having to cut back on his beef, also, as well as his beer. And he’s a grillin’ steaks on the weekend kind of guy and lounging w/a beer watching sports. Otherwise, he’s a hard working guy who even walks his dog around the neighborhood. Still pretty trim at his age.

349 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2015 11:51:13am

re: #346 Dark_Falcon

Technically speaking, Santorum is disgusted with the allegations against Josh Dugger. He hasn’t completely disassociated himself with the actions as yet.
And, since Josh admits to it, they really aren’t “allegations” anymore.

350 Dark_Falcon  May 30, 2015 11:57:08am

re: #349 Backwoods_Sleuth

Technically speaking, Santorum is disgusted with the allegations against Josh Dugger. He hasn’t completely disassociated himself with the actions as yet.
And, since Josh admits to it, they really aren’t “allegations” anymore.

That’s a fine point, but one worth noting. Although it won’t amount to much since as you also noted Duggar’s admitted to it his wrongdoing and (I just saw today) is moving back to Arkansas in disgrace.

351 ObserverArt  May 30, 2015 12:14:27pm

re: #315 HappyWarrior

I just don[‘t see why it’s such a big deal. I mean I’ve seen the arguments now like ketchup being too sweet to put on meat but I like it. Condiments are kind of funny to think about it though. French fries and ketchup. Dipping tomato sauce into potatoes. I remember reading the the original ketchup was a fish sauce more originally and Americans played a big role in making it tomatoey.

Take a couple tablespoons of ketchup and then add in two teaspoons of worcestershire sauce. Boom! Fake A1 steak sauce.

352 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 30, 2015 12:15:13pm

re: #351 ObserverArt

Take a couple tablespoons of ketchup and then add in two teaspoons of worcestershire sauce. Boom! Fake A1 steak sauce.

Add a bit of horseradish and now we’re talking SAUCY!

353 makeitstop  May 30, 2015 12:39:02pm

re: #278 ObserverArt

The big rock show in Las Vegas???

I thought the absolute biggest rock show was tonight in Ohio Stadium, “The Shoe” when the Rolling Stones take the stage.

Twisted’s first show since their drummer died. I’m photographing it for the web site. Also, some R&R for a weekend.

We went to the ‘Pawn Stars’ pawn shop for the heck of it. They wanted $10 grand for a completely beat ‘66 Telecaster. It must be nice to charge roughly twice fair market value because you’re on TV.

Also, the shop is way smaller than it looks on TV.

354 EPR-radar  May 30, 2015 1:45:54pm

re: #322 The War TARDIS

I do have a culture war mindset. So I see it as that one is on one side or the other. The other side being bad.

You are saying the same thing as the friend in DC. She is also saying that there are many Republicans and Democrats that are friends in DC, and wishes that I could see that.

Actually, the more I think about it the worse I feel. When she came out and said she was Republican, I immediately accused her of wanting Muslims killed. And since then, every few weeks, I lash out at her for something a Republican on the national stage has done. And yet, she would like me to come to DC.

It may help to stick to provable truths.

For example, if someone votes Republican, it is not reasonable to conclude that they personally want to see Muslims killed.

What is true is that voting GOP (especially at the Federal level) is a vote to increase the political power of GOP extremists who do want Muslims killed, and the political power of GOP enablers who would look the other way as the extremists do their thing.


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