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1 Dark_Falcon  May 30, 2015 7:12:12pm

My family has had all too much experience with cancer, and I agree with what everyone else said on the previous thread: Cancer sucks. Alot.

2 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 7:14:57pm

I didn’t even know he was sick. This is really sad. 46 is far too young and it’s another sad tragedy for the VP. I think it’s a testament to the VP’s strength and character that with all the tragedy that has effected him that he remains I think one of the most genuinely warm people in politics.

3 teleskiguy  May 30, 2015 7:21:00pm

{{{ Dark_Falcon }}}

4 RealityBasedSteve  May 30, 2015 7:21:07pm

I just had to do it…. FreeRepugnant is living up to its name….

To: lowbridge
Brain cancer….is that what they are calling cocaine addiction nowadays?

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21 posted on 5/30/2015, 8:59:24 PM by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (Hope the holland tunnel gets the makeover I suggested.)
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To: lowbridge
He was democrat. He will still vote in the next 15 presidential elections

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And only one or two comments pushing back on those.

RBS

5 PhillyPretzel  May 30, 2015 7:21:34pm

My condolences to the VP and his family and they are in my prayers.

6 teleskiguy  May 30, 2015 7:22:04pm

re: #4 RealityBasedSteve

We’re nothing if not vigilant against bad craziness here at LGF.

7 BeachDem  May 30, 2015 7:23:29pm

I swear, if the right wing dirtbags start being ugly about Beau Biden, I am going to lose it.

Joe Biden is, and always has been, a stand up guy. Love him or not (and I definitely do), he and his family deserve respect and condolences.

So please, wingers, for once in your pathetic lives, do the right thing and keep it zipped.

EDIT—Too late, I see—just saw RBS’s post with the Freeper ugliness.
Ugh.

8 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 7:23:58pm

re: #4 RealityBasedSteve

I just had to do it…. FreeRepugnant is living up to its name….

And only one or two comments pushing back on those.

RBS

Not shocked at all to see those kind of comments. Agh, I am not someone who believes the recently deceased should be beyond criticism but just strikes me as really really poor taste to rag on him simply because of his party.

9 PhillyPretzel  May 30, 2015 7:24:13pm

re: #7 BeachDem

Amen.

10 RealityBasedSteve  May 30, 2015 7:24:31pm

re: #6 teleskiguy

We’re nothing if not vigilant against bad craziness here at LGF.

I know. I got a “not so subtle” admonishment that I better clean-up / delete a particularly vitriolic posting against some RWNJ that I made one time. I was told “You can clean it up, or Charles will clean it up for you, and you may not like that”.

:)

RBS

11 teleskiguy  May 30, 2015 7:27:57pm

re: #10 RealityBasedSteve

I know. I got a “not so subtle” admonishment that I better clean-up / delete a particularly vitriolic posting against some RWNJ that I made one time. I was told “You can clean it up, or Charles will clean it up for you, and you may not like that”.

:)

RBS

Sounds like you almost got a date with Stinky Beaumont. Many many moons ago Stinky whacked me one time because I said Glenn Beck deserved to be flogged. I was wrong, and a quick cordial email exchange with Charles healed up that nasty bump I got from Stinky’s banhammer.

12 goddamnedfrank  May 30, 2015 7:29:48pm

I really don’t understand people sometimes. Pro tip: When someone’s child dies it’s a bit crass to inject your own issues into the mix.

13 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 7:33:37pm

re: #12 goddamnedfrank

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I really don’t understand people sometimes. Pro tip: When someone’s child dies it’s a bit crass to inject your own issues into the mix.

Yeah people can be really annoyingly self-righteous. I also see nothing wrong with calling it a battle with cancer but even so, it’s clear as hell that no one is calling sufferers of cancer losers.

14 teleskiguy  May 30, 2015 7:35:01pm

re: #12 goddamnedfrank

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I really don’t understand people sometimes. Pro tip: When someone’s son dies it’s a bit crass to inject your own issues into the mix.

While I agree with you to a point, I also empathize with Ms. Jardin to a point. It does seem rude to inject your POV into a tragedy like Beau Biden’s death. Xeni, though, has battled cancer for a long time and I can understand her frustration with the language of cancer treatment.

15 PhillyPretzel  May 30, 2015 7:35:20pm

re: #12 goddamnedfrank

I agree. Talk about grammar/language later.

16 goddamnedfrank  May 30, 2015 7:37:37pm

re: #13 HappyWarrior

Yeah people can be really annoyingly self-righteous. I also see nothing wrong with calling it a battle with cancer but even so, it’s clear as hell that no one is calling sufferers of cancer losers.

I think she has kind of a point, in the pure abstract. But @xeni is also a journalist and has no excuse for not knowing that’s what Joe Biden wrote in the announcement he released. It’s trying to make the focus of this deeply personal moment impacting the VP’s family about this thing that she finds annoying that’s so utterly off-putting.

17 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 7:38:23pm

re: #16 goddamnedfrank

I think she has kind of a point, in the pure abstract. But @xeni is also a journalist and has no excuse for not knowing that’s what Joe Biden wrote in the announcement he released. It’s trying to make the focus of this deeply personal moment impacting the VP’s family about this thing that she finds annoying that’s so utterly off-putting.

Right. Not the time to be a pedant.

18 #FergusonFireside  May 30, 2015 7:39:29pm

re: #14 teleskiguy

While I agree with you to a point, I also empathize with Ms. Jardin to a point. It does seem rude to inject your POV into a tragedy like Beau Biden’s death. Xeni, though, has battled cancer for a long time and I can understand her frustration with the language of cancer treatment.

Wrong time.

19 subterraneanhomesickalien  May 30, 2015 7:39:42pm

I guess my uncle was a loser when his Pancreatic Cancer metastasized in his brain and killed him two months later.

There are just awful people in this world.

20 teleskiguy  May 30, 2015 7:40:15pm

Internet and social media has made it too easy to inject yourself into things that are happening. Gladly-departed-from-Twitter UpChuck is a most egregious example.

Xeni did it too, tonight, and goddamnedfrank is right to point it out.

I guess what I’m saying here is goddamnedfrank is right, Xeni’s right, Xeni spoke too soon?

Am I being pedantic?

21 #FergusonFireside  May 30, 2015 7:42:00pm

re: #17 HappyWarrior

Right. Not the time to be a pedant.

Sometimes the pedant is an asshole. Reel it in. Wrap your fingers w rubber bands.

22 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 7:42:28pm

re: #20 teleskiguy

Internet and social media has made it too easy to inject yourself into things that are happening. Gladly-departed-from-Twitter UpChuck is a most egregious example.

Xeni did it too, tonight, and goddamnedfrank is right to point it out.

I guess what I’m saying here is goddamnedfrank is right, Xeni’s right, Xeni spoke too soon?

Am I being pedantic?

You’re fine. I just think she should realize that it’s clear that no one is saying Beau Biden is a loser for having died of cancer. If she was cool about and went something like “Hey guys, just so you know a lot of people with cancer don’t like the battle with cancer thing”, that’d be okay but she comes off passive aggressive with the whole “if you die, you’re a loser” bit.

23 subterraneanhomesickalien  May 30, 2015 7:43:04pm

My uncle Jeff went from being a 220 pound 6 foot 3 inch man to a 140 pound skeleton within six months of his diagnosis.

He died such an awful drawn out death, it makes me cry every time I think about it.

24 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 30, 2015 7:43:12pm

I would just really like to know her suggestion for a different term. “Battle”, “fight”, “deal with”…whatever you choose, a lot of people <verb> cancer, and some of them die (including my mother). If they do, they “failed” at <verb>-ing. It’s not a judgment, it’s just an observation.

25 psddluva4evah  May 30, 2015 7:43:30pm

@markdubya: From Obama’s statement on the death of Beau Biden: “We swing our lanterns higher.” t.co t.co

26 #FergusonFireside  May 30, 2015 7:45:41pm

re: #23 subterraneanhomesickalien

:( xoxo

27 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 7:45:50pm

When my godmother (great aunt) died, my grandmother could hardly believe it was her baby sister that she was looking at. The leukemia and the treatment with it had aged her that much. It sucked. She spent her life dedicated to kids- she was a third grade teacher and not long after her retirement she got diagnosed with leukemia. She never forgot my birthday those thirteen years. She also always made our trips to my grandmother’s hometown so enjoyable. That’s ,my cancer story. I’m sure everyone else has one. Cancer doesn’t play favorites.

28 teleskiguy  May 30, 2015 7:45:59pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

but she comes off passive aggressive with the whole “if you die, you’re a loser” bit.

And that’s where I agree with her pedantic tweet above. She’s a cancer survivor of a fairly serious order - like, she’s almost died lots of times - so I can empathize with her making a stupid nit-picky point about the language of cancer treatment on Twitter the way she said it.

That’s just me.

29 goddamnedfrank  May 30, 2015 7:46:09pm

Biden’s twitter mentions tonight are going to turn from a firehose of sympathy into a firehose of vicious trolling. I can feel the vibrations from them rolling away the rock that blocks their cave lair as we speak.

30 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 7:46:27pm

re: #25 psddluva4evah

@markdubya: From Obama’s statement on the death of Beau Biden: “We swing our lanterns higher.” t.co t.co

He quoted Yeats which reminds me of when Teddy Kennedy quoted another Yeats poem when JFK Jr died.

31 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 7:47:17pm

re: #28 teleskiguy

And that’s where I agree with her pedantic tweet above. She’s a cancer survivor of a fairly serious order - like, she’s almost died lots of times - so I can empathize with her making a stupid nit-picky point about the language of cancer treatment on Twitter the way she said it.

That’s just me.

Yeah knowing she’s a cancer survivor herself now, I can understand and empathize with her a little more on it now but as Frank said, these were the words of a grieving father not the media. I just disagree is all. Not saying you’re wrong to agree with her. I just think she could have phrased her disapproval better if it bothered her that much.

32 goddamnedfrank  May 30, 2015 7:47:49pm

re: #29 goddamnedfrank

Immediately after I posted that I looked at @VP’s mention column in Tweetdeck and saw this:

Gonna just close it down for the evening.

33 lawhawk  May 30, 2015 7:48:14pm

re: #12 goddamnedfrank

As someone who’s had more people I can count battle cancer, the fact is that survivability and remission are dependent on how soon the cancer is discovered, the type of cancer, and the course of treatment, among other things.

It’s an illness to be sure, but the person with cancer (and their family, friends and anyone who’s there supporting them) is most definitely battling every step of the way, and if the cancer is metastatic, they are most definitely battling for every day. Every day is a challenge. Every day is a pain. Literally.

Bone mets are the worst.

You think you’ve experienced pain? Docs use a 1-10 scale for pain, with 10 being the worst. Well, with bone mets, you’re off the chart. How about a 15 on a 10 scale. Pain meds that would be strong enough to take out a horse wont so much as dull the pain for someone with bone mets where every move or even just sitting still is painful.

Morphine is child’s play compared to oxycontin and oxycodone, which are child’s play as compared to dilaudid. Now imagine needing that every couple of hours, just to get a break from the unbearable pain. Just to take the edge off the pain.

Just to go on another day. Battling.

And eventually, the body simply can’t keep battling - the pain meds cause their own issues - stomach discomfort - and the pain can eventually break through. More bone fractures. More discomfort.

Until the body simply gives out.

But it’s a battle every step of the way.

Xeni just doesn’t get it.

34 Great White Snark  May 30, 2015 7:48:30pm

re: #16 goddamnedfrank

Even in the abstract equating losing your life to a disease like cancer and the “loser” insult as per the lazy, the incompetent etc has no merit anyway. Nobody gets out of here alive. Naming the battle does no harm.

35 Charles Johnson  May 30, 2015 7:48:48pm
36 subterraneanhomesickalien  May 30, 2015 7:49:14pm

re: #26 #FergusonFireside

I helped this man build a deck with my father when I was 14 years old.

He could carry two chemically treated water logged 2x12x12 boards at once.

And then he got cancer and died.

37 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 7:49:14pm

re: #32 goddamnedfrank

Immediately after I posted that I looked at @VP’s mention column in Tweetdeck and saw this:

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Gonna just close it down for the evening.

Somehow I doubt they said this when Ronald Reagan died and Reagan unlike Beau Biden actually signed a law liberalizing abortion. These people can fuck off so much.

38 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 30, 2015 7:49:31pm

re: #33 lawhawk

My sympathy has limits.

39 teleskiguy  May 30, 2015 7:50:35pm

re: #33 lawhawk

Shit, man. I feel like an asshole. Really, I do.

40 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 7:51:32pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

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That’s exactly what they’re going to Charles. They’re going to bitch at you for bringing attention to the right wing shitbirds crowing over Beau’s death rather than calling it out. Kind of like their first defense to people spitting on Ted Kennedy’s grave was BUT THE LEFT DID IT WHEN SO AND SO DIED SO IT’S OKAY. As I said, I don’t believe being recently deceased gives you a pass from criticism but I’d like to know what Beau Biden did that deserves the hatred he is getting.

41 teleskiguy  May 30, 2015 7:51:35pm

I’m sorry. Fuck, really guys, I’m crying right now.

42 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 30, 2015 7:52:09pm

re: #41 teleskiguy

It’s not your fault. And it is a fair point, just …she chose a poor time to make it.

43 goddamnedfrank  May 30, 2015 7:52:23pm

SO glad that Chuck isn’t on Twitter right now.

44 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  May 30, 2015 7:52:26pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

You’re fine. I just think she should realize that it’s clear that no one is saying Beau Biden is a loser for having died of cancer. If she was cool about and went something like “Hey guys, just so you know a lot of people with cancer don’t like the battle with cancer thing”, that’d be okay but she comes off passive aggressive with the whole “if you die, you’re a loser” bit.

*surfaces from oblivion to comment*

It’s hard for me to agree with being too aggressive about the phrase ‘lost the fight’, but I’ve had several people I know and love die from Cancer and Depression. I hate the phrase ‘lost his/her fight.’ The people who die, didn’t lose their fight. Their life has ended, but they won, with every person they helped, every life they touched, and every thing they did to make that difference in the world around them.

Maybe the timing isn’t right, but for some of us who are still hurting from loss, hearing someone say that phrase feels like the lives of our friends and family is somehow reduced to ‘losing a fight with x.’ I dunno, maybe I’m just touchy and over sensitive. But for me that’s why I am averse to the phrase, ‘lost their fight’

But you can’t explain something like that in 140 characters. but that’s part of the reason I think Twitter is evidence of the decline and fall of Western Civilization. :)

45 #FergusonFireside  May 30, 2015 7:53:14pm

I love Joe Biden & I’m so sorry he has to go through this. As well of course Beau’s wife n kids

46 PhillyPretzel  May 30, 2015 7:53:24pm

re: #38 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Perhaps someone should “tweet” back to that person; if you cannot say anything good, do not say anything. In this case silence is golden.

47 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 7:53:46pm

re: #44 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

*surfaces from oblivion to comment*

It’s hard for me to agree with being too aggressive about the phrase ‘lost the fight’, but I’ve had several people I know and love die from Cancer and Depression. I hate the phrase ‘lost his/her fight.’ The people who die, didn’t lose their fight. Their life has ended, but they won, with every person they helped, every life they touched, and every thing they did to make that difference in the world around them.

Maybe the timing isn’t right, but for some of us who are still hurting from loss, hearing someone say that phrase feels like the lives of our friends and family is somehow reduced to ‘losing a fight with x.’ I dunno, maybe I’m just touchy and over sensitive. But for me that’s why I am averse to the phrase, ‘lost their fight’

But you can’t explain something like that in 140 characters. but that’s part of the reason I think Twitter is evidence of the decline and fall of Western Civilization. :)

Oh I understand why she has a problem with it. I just think she did it in poor form. And you’re right. That’s something you can’t do in 140 character s and a large part of why I as a very wordy person do not do Twitter.

48 BeachDem  May 30, 2015 7:53:49pm

re: #38 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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My sympathy has limits.

Why does she have to say anything at all, other than offering condolences? Jeez—time and place, Xeni, time and place.

49 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 30, 2015 7:54:03pm

re: #44 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

Here’s the thing: that’s the phrasing that the Biden family chose to use.

I can respect other people’s feelings on the topic but at the moment, I’m not going to chew the family out over a pedantic word choice.

50 goddamnedfrank  May 30, 2015 7:54:36pm

re: #41 teleskiguy

I’m sorry. Fuck, really guys, I’m crying right now.

No reason to be sorry or feel bad. Like I said I can actually kind of see her point. I just still think it was a terribly unthinking blunder for her to post that.

Like I said yesterday:

51 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 30, 2015 7:56:12pm

Anyway, off here, but thoughts with the Biden family and with all those who also are dealing with the effects of cancer in their lives.

52 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 7:57:03pm

re: #41 teleskiguy

I’m sorry. Fuck, really guys, I’m crying right now.

You don’t need to apologize. It’s not a simple black/white issue. What it boils down to though is A) this was the language the Bidens chose to use so ergo nitpicking I think is really inappropriate and B) I think she could have been more polite about it, I for one was not aware that many cancer sufferers are bothered by that phrasing. And as I said I had no idea she herself is a cancer survivor.

53 teleskiguy  May 30, 2015 7:57:53pm

re: #50 goddamnedfrank

lawhawk brought it home #33, like a sack of potatoes to the head.

54 #FergusonFireside  May 30, 2015 7:59:23pm

re: #44 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

I so remember you. Thanks for being here again.

55 RealityBasedSteve  May 30, 2015 8:02:20pm

I’m outta here. Gotta an early wake up (around 6 or so), so I need to get to catch up on some paperwork and then go to bed.

See ya later.

RBS

56 lawhawk  May 30, 2015 8:02:25pm

re: #41 teleskiguy

You’ve got nothing to apologize for. I’ve used the words battle cancer, because that’s probably the best way to view how the disease is treated, especially in later stages.

Another way that I think is apt, is that you’re dealing with wildfires. You put out one, and another hotspot erupts. So, you’re putting out the fires - all while trying to keep spirits up and getting the person into a better place health wise.

But as for when a person dies? If the grieving family says that they “lost the battle”, that’s fine by me. If they say, “they died”, that too is accurate and fine by me. If they say “they’ve passed on and are now at peace, etc.” then that too is fine. I shouldn’t be judging the person on their word choice at a moment of grief.

I should be there to support that person in a time of grief. I should be there to help if called upon.

Not to call out the person for their choice of words hours after watching their loved one pass away. That’s just the wrong time to question a choice of words that so many others have used.

57 teleskiguy  May 30, 2015 8:04:46pm

re: #56 lawhawk

Thanks lawhawk.

And I’m thinking of you and yours in re: stupid scourge cancer.

58 teleskiguy  May 30, 2015 8:09:50pm

Fuck man, I’ve NEVER gotten this emotional commenting at LGF. I’ve been emotional at times commenting because of things that happened in my life, but never just commenting and following a thread.

I guess I’m an emasculated SJW according to the Awesomely-Departed-From-Twitter UpChuck.

59 psddluva4evah  May 30, 2015 8:10:59pm
60 BeachDem  May 30, 2015 8:11:27pm

To move on from semantics, here are some nice pics of Joe and Beau.

61 ipsos  May 30, 2015 8:14:01pm

I really looked forward to voting for Beau for president someday.

Fuck, fuckety fuck fuck.

62 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 8:14:27pm

re: #60 BeachDem

To move on from semantics, here are some nice pics of Joe and Beau.

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He looks just like his father did as a young man.

63 blueraven  May 30, 2015 8:17:14pm
In recent weeks, the vice president’s public schedule had declined as he regularly visited his son. Two weeks ago, during Yale University’s graduation ceremonies, he delivered a deeply personal speech to thousands of students and parents who had no idea what the vice president was personally enduring.

Close advisers viewed it as the closest Joe Biden ever came to fully explaining how much his personal life and tragedy informed his own career. Of his Amtrak ride home every night to see his two sons, he said that it wasn’t for them.

“The real reason I went home every night was that I needed my children more than they needed me,” he told the Yale crowd.

So true, and so heartbreaking.
Thoughts with the Biden family tonight.

64 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 8:19:37pm

re: #63 blueraven

So true, and so heartbreaking.
Thoughts with the Biden family tonight.

I remember reading that in 2008. Really a truly loving father he is and was. I’m sure his boys never forgot what he did.

65 b_sharp  May 30, 2015 8:22:05pm

re: #33 lawhawk

As someone who’s had more people I can count battle cancer, the fact is that survivability and remission are dependent on how soon the cancer is discovered, the type of cancer, and the course of treatment, among other things.

It’s an illness to be sure, but the person with cancer (and their family, friends and anyone who’s there supporting them) is most definitely battling every step of the way, and if the cancer is metastatic, they are most definitely battling for every day. Every day is a challenge. Every day is a pain. Literally.

Bone mets are the worst.

You think you’ve experienced pain? Docs use a 1-10 scale for pain, with 10 being the worst. Well, with bone mets, you’re off the chart. How about a 15 on a 10 scale. Pain meds that would be strong enough to take out a horse wont so much as dull the pain for someone with bone mets where every move or even just sitting still is painful.

Morphine is child’s play compared to oxycontin and oxycodone, which are child’s play as compared to dilaudid. Now imagine needing that every couple of hours, just to get a break from the unbearable pain. Just to take the edge off the pain.

Just to go on another day. Battling.

And eventually, the body simply can’t keep battling - the pain meds cause their own issues - stomach discomfort - and the pain can eventually break through. More bone fractures. More discomfort.

Until the body simply gives out.

But it’s a battle every step of the way.

Xeni just doesn’t get it.

As poorly as she put it, I think her point is that by calling it a battle there are winners and losers when neither people who survive nor those who do not should be labelled losers.

I agree with you, however, I’ve had 4 people in my immediate family struck by cancer and they all went through the terror, the pain, the struggle and in two cases the death that can come from that war.

66 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 8:22:27pm

I just remember it bothering me that in the debate between Palin and Biden, Palin was desperately trying to paint Biden as a woefully out of touch Washington bureaucrat and while it was true that Biden had at that time been in the Senate for well over 30 years, he had and still has remained very true to himself and his principles and he was very much in touch with the concerns of the average citizen much more than Palin was.

67 ipsos  May 30, 2015 8:23:08pm

I made the mistake of clicking the Breitbart link that a friend posted on FB with the news. The majority of commenters were actually classy, saying this isn’t a time for politics, just condolences. But a significant minority were just what you’d expect to find there. Ugh.

68 psddluva4evah  May 30, 2015 8:24:05pm
69 BeachDem  May 30, 2015 8:25:25pm

If you’ve never seen it, Joe’s 2012 TAPS speech, where he talks about his own grief after the death of his wife and daughter, is probably the best speech I’ve ever heard.

If you don’t want to watch it now, bookmark it—it’s amazing.

…

70 Charles Johnson  May 30, 2015 8:26:11pm

One of the first comments I saw at Breitbart “News”…

Prayers have Ben answered…Obama family next…praying hard…

71 Charles Johnson  May 30, 2015 8:27:43pm

This guy is blaming Obama for the hatred:

There was a time in America, and not too long ago, that no one ever expressed glee or happiness on the death of a fellow American.

We differed politically, spiritually, economically, educationally, culturally and a myriad other ways.

But we did not hate one another. Reading these comments has proven that Barack Obama has achieved his goal of ‘fundamentally transforming’ the United States of America.

We are so fractured, so divided and so full of hatred, mistrust and envy that our Republic is lost, and we openly cheer one another’s grief. How sad.

72 Charles Johnson  May 30, 2015 8:28:21pm

Closing that window now. I just can’t.

73 b_sharp  May 30, 2015 8:28:23pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

One of the first comments I saw at Breitbart “News”…

Disgusting excuse for a human.

74 BeachDem  May 30, 2015 8:29:09pm

re: #66 HappyWarrior

I just remember it bothering me that in the debate between Palin and Biden, Palin was desperately trying to paint Biden as a woefully out of touch Washington bureaucrat and while it was true that Biden had at that time been in the Senate for well over 30 years, he had and still has remained very true to himself and his principles and he was very much in touch with the concerns of the average citizen much more than Palin was.

And when he got emotional during that debate and talked about his personal life, Princess Dumbass of the Northwoods pretty much ignored him and moved on to her next talking point.

75 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 8:29:31pm

re: #71 Charles Johnson

This guy is blaming Obama for the hatred:

Yeah it’s all Obama’s fault. What a load of shit. These right wing assholes are the ones who have reflexively hated President Obama and anyone associated with him from the day he was nominated by his party to be the next president.

76 jaunte  May 30, 2015 8:29:42pm

re: #71 Charles Johnson

“…There was a time in America, and not too long ago, that no one ever expressed glee or happiness on the death of a fellow American…”

Sorry to say, that’s a fantasy on par with the 1950’s being the happiest time in America.

77 Charles Johnson  May 30, 2015 8:29:57pm
78 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 8:30:16pm

re: #74 BeachDem

And when he got emotional during that debate and talked about his personal life, Princess Dumbass of the Northwoods pretty much ignored him and moved on to her next talking point.

Yeah I do remember that now. He was too classy during that debate. The right wingers in and out of the media tried to claim that he was condescending towards her but it wasn’t that way at all.

79 jaunte  May 30, 2015 8:31:17pm

No one ever expressed glee or happiness at the assassination of Abraham Lincoln.

80 Mich-again  May 30, 2015 8:31:41pm

I’m so sorry for the Biden family and I will ignore all the hate from the right wing trolls just like always,

81 blueraven  May 30, 2015 8:31:51pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

Closing that window now. I just can’t.

Good.
That stuff can darken the soul.

Later all.

82 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 8:32:33pm

re: #76 jaunte

Sorry to say, that’s a fantasy on par with the 1950’s being the happiest time in America.

Well the 1950’s was a happy time if you were well to do and white which is what this person was. It’s the Chris Matthews mythologizing the relationship between Reagan and Tip O’Neill bullshit that all was fine in the distant past before now. We forget that in the 1850’s a Congressman actually attacked another with a cane and another prevented people from aiding the wounded Congressman (Charles Sumter) by bringing out a gun and the 1950’s? Well that was when McCarthy was calling everyone associated with the Truman state department a Communist subversive. And I’m not even touching on how racial/sexual minorities and women were treated in that era.

83 Belafon  May 30, 2015 8:33:50pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

There is nothing you can say to these people.

84 subterraneanhomesickalien  May 30, 2015 8:34:09pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

Why doesn’t “MP” go drink some fucking anti-freeze?

85 Charles Johnson  May 30, 2015 8:34:38pm

Yes, there are a lot of comments expressing condolences to the Biden family. But they’re right next to the haters, ignoring what’s going on right in their midst. The condolences ring pretty hollow when they tolerate this kind of deranged madness and don’t say a fucking word about it.

And by tomorrow, the hatred is going to be in full swing.

86 BeachDem  May 30, 2015 8:34:54pm

re: #68 psddluva4evah

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Yep, that’s the speech (see my #69)

87 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 8:35:36pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

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And again I ask the conservatives bringing up abortion if they had any nastiness directed Ronald Reagan’s way since Reagan unlike Biden and most of the other pro-choice people they hate actually signed a liberalizing of abortion bill.

88 GlutenFreeJesus  May 30, 2015 8:35:39pm

RIP Beau. Thanks for all you did for this country.

Not going to let those right wing ass sores ruin a great night.

89 teleskiguy  May 30, 2015 8:36:59pm

re: #79 jaunte

No one ever expressed glee or happiness at the assassination of Abraham Lincoln.

goddamnedfrank, you’re goddamned right. Sarc tags are for lepers.

90 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 8:37:37pm

re: #88 GlutenFreeJesus

RIP Beau. Thanks for all you did for this country.

Not going to let those right wing ass sores ruin a great night.

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I expect the Bidens to remember Beau the way any good Irish family does a loved one and that’s to celebrate the life. When my grandmother died. My family put together a beautiful ceremony celebrating her and my grandfather who had died 25 years earlier lives. It was a truly beautiful ceremony. I weeped talking about her that day but I also was happy to celebrate the life of someone who had a profound impact on me. I hope the Bidens can find that with Beau.

91 psddluva4evah  May 30, 2015 8:37:37pm
@jbendery: Per VP’s office: Beau Biden was diagnosed w/ brain cancer in Aug 2013. Was treated, all clear in Nov. 2013. Cancer back in May 2015.

@jbendery: Per VP’s office: Beau Biden died Sat night surrounded by his entire family (wife, children, parents, siblings, uncles, aunts, cousins).

92 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 8:38:14pm

re: #91 psddluva4evah

That just sucks. Fucking cancer.

93 teleskiguy  May 30, 2015 8:39:54pm

Finally, something that made me genuinely laugh!

instagram.com

94 A Cranky One  May 30, 2015 8:43:07pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

One of the first comments I saw at Breitbart “News”…

WTF is wrong with some people?!?!?!

95 subterraneanhomesickalien  May 30, 2015 8:44:26pm

re: #93 teleskiguy

That little girl has very colorful looking parents.

96 ipsos  May 30, 2015 8:44:27pm

re: #79 jaunte

No one ever expressed glee or happiness at the assassination of Abraham Lincoln.

Sure they did. Plenty of them.

But history has not remembered them, for the most part, which is as it should be.

97 psddluva4evah  May 30, 2015 8:45:12pm

I’m off to bed soon. Condolences to the Biden family. RIP Beau.

Oh, and FUQ CANCER!

98 teleskiguy  May 30, 2015 8:48:17pm

re: #95 subterraneanhomesickalien

That little girl has very colorful looking parents.

The guy with the funny t-shirt and sloppy mohawk is her father. The one with the purple hair is her father’s girlfriend. Her parents divorced six years ago.

:(

99 subterraneanhomesickalien  May 30, 2015 8:48:49pm

re: #96 ipsos

Sure they did. Plenty of them.

But history has not remembered them, for the most part, which is as it should be.

They’ve also become a majority in the party that he helped legitimize.

I doubt there be many Lincoln lovers among their ranks these days.

100 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 8:49:42pm

re: #99 subterraneanhomesickalien

They’ve also become a majority in the party that he helped legitimize.

I doubt there be many Lincoln lovers among their ranks these days.

If Lincoln saw how many CSA flag lovers there are in the GOP today, he’d switch parties so fucking fast.

101 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 30, 2015 8:52:43pm

re: #99 subterraneanhomesickalien

They’ve also become a majority in the party that he helped legitimize.

I doubt there be many Lincoln lovers among their ranks these days.

When a Federal detachment captured Jefferson Davis in his escape attempt across Georgia, one of them called to some Rebels passing close by: “Hey, Johnny! We’ve got your President!”

The reply was: “Yeah? Well, the Devil’s got yours!”

That’s their base nowadays.

102 psddluva4evah  May 30, 2015 8:56:54pm

oh and I really kinda hate when people say “putting politics aside…” before offering condolences. if u were truly putting politics aside there would be no need to say so right? it’s like people saying, “I hate to be rude…”. well how’s about u just don’t say it and ya know NOT be rude about

103 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 8:56:58pm

re: #101 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

When a Federal detachment captured Jefferson Davis in his escape attempt across Georgia, one of them called to some Rebels passing close by: “Hey, Johnny! We’ve got your President!”

The reply was: “Yeah? Well, the Devil’s got yours!”

That’s their base nowadays.

But but they were Democrats then so they were liberals.// Speaking of that. I was looking at Biden’s bio on wiki. He actually apparently considered himself a Republican as a young man because he felt the Republicans in Delaware were more liberal than the Democrats. Apparently, some local Republicans thought he’d make a good candidate for office but Biden turned them down at the time since he did not like Nixon who was the face of the party at that time. Interesting to see that. I just love the conservative idiots on Twitter who want to try to convince people that the two parties ideologies were exactly the same as they are now during the Civil War era even though weirdly enough they probably also rag on the current Democratic party for not “respecting” states rights and thinking the CSA was racist.

104 BeachDem  May 30, 2015 8:59:38pm

Beau’s birthday tweet to Joe last year. (I think there’s something in my eye—damn.)

105 b_sharp  May 30, 2015 8:59:39pm

re: #58 teleskiguy

Fuck man, I’ve NEVER gotten this emotional commenting at LGF. I’ve been emotional at times commenting because of things that happened in my life, but never just commenting and following a thread.

I guess I’m an emasculated SJW according to the Awesomely-Departed-From-Twitter UpChuck.

You’re good bro.

106 goddamnedfrank  May 30, 2015 9:00:24pm

re: #102 psddluva4evah

oh and I really kinda hate when people say “putting politics aside…” before offering condolences. if u were truly putting politics aside there would be no need to say so right? it’s like people saying, “I hate to be rude…”. well how’s about u just don’t say it and ya know NOT be rude about

Yeah that shit grates hard on my nerves. It’s like saying “I’m going to condescend to treating you like an actual person for the moment, y’know, for appearances sake. But first let me remind you of the WIDE fucking gulf between the two of us m’kay?”

107 teleskiguy  May 30, 2015 9:01:27pm

re: #105 b_sharp

You’re good bro.

Whatever, dude. I’m bad. Baaad to the bone!

108 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 9:01:44pm

re: #104 BeachDem

Beau’s birthday tweet to Joe last year. (I think there’s something in my eye—damn.)

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Awww.

109 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 9:02:21pm

re: #107 teleskiguy

Whatever, dude. I’m bad. Baaad to the bone!

Fitting since George Thorogood is from Delaware.

110 teleskiguy  May 30, 2015 9:04:46pm

re: #109 HappyWarrior

:)

111 HappyWarrior  May 30, 2015 9:06:18pm

re: #110 teleskiguy

:)

Wilmington even which is where Joe is based out of I believe originally. I always have a special fondness for Delaware. The beach cottage that I went to as a kid was in Dewey Beach.

112 goddamnedfrank  May 30, 2015 9:26:34pm
113 Jay C  May 30, 2015 9:28:16pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

Yes, there are a lot of comments expressing condolences to the Biden family. But they’re right next to the haters, ignoring what’s going on right in their midst. The condolences ring pretty hollow when they tolerate this kind of deranged madness and don’t say a fucking word about it.

And by tomorrow, the hatred is going to be in full swing.

Not even waiting for tomorrow, some of them: the first link I followed on Beau Biden’s death was to the Washington Post - God knows why they opened a comment thread, but among the sincere condolence comments, some trolls were shitting all over it with the usual vile garbage. Ain’t the age of Modern Media wonderful….

114 Kryptik  May 30, 2015 9:35:56pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

This is why I have so little hope for things sometimes. Sure, you have people who aren’t being total asshats about these kinds of things, but they gloss over the raging disgusting assholes as if ignoring them will make them go away, missing the fact that, far too often, the assholes are in significant enough number that you simply can’t ‘ignore them and make them go away’. They’re already validated by their fellow assholes saying the exact same thing. They become self-sustaining that ignoring them simply becomes enabling them. And far too many people do that for the sake of being ‘polite’. Being ‘polite’ in this case by acting like they’re not there is like pretending nothing is wrong as dogs shit on the floor around you. Sure you step around it, but you leave the mess for everyone else

115 A Cranky One  May 30, 2015 9:38:55pm

OT: interesting graph from NCSE:

Support for environmental regulation/evolution by religious affiliation

Article can be found here: Evolution, the Environment, and Religion

Not a rigorous study but an interesting look at some data. Wonder how people feel about the placement of the yellow circles in particular?

Edit: asking because I have no knowledge and would like to fix that omission

116 goddamnedfrank  May 30, 2015 9:43:54pm
117 sagehen  May 30, 2015 9:47:45pm

re: #115 A Cranky One

OT: interesting graph from NCSE:

Support for environmental regulation/evolution by religious affiliation

Article can be found here: Evolution, the Environment, and Religion

Not a rigorous study but an interesting look at some data. Wonder how people feel about the placement of the yellow circles in particular?

awww… look at the Jews up there in the top right corner….

118 b_sharp  May 30, 2015 9:56:31pm

re: #117 sagehen

awww… look at the Jews up there in the top right corner….

Nice to see atheists/agnostics up there, even though there are some pretty right wing members of the groups.

119 Eclectic Cyborg  May 30, 2015 10:03:55pm

Anyone who considers themselves a Christian should NOT be mocking Beaus death.

I don’t care what the fuck your politics are. At a time like this you reach out and do whatever you have to do to help a grieving fellow man.

120 BeachDem  May 30, 2015 10:07:51pm

re: #115 A Cranky One

OT: interesting graph from NCSE:

Support for environmental regulation/evolution by religious affiliation

Article can be found here: Evolution, the Environment, and Religion

Not a rigorous study but an interesting look at some data. Wonder how people feel about the placement of the yellow circles in particular?

Wonder if Pew has updated that chart. (It’s from 2007). Wonder if it’s gotten better or worse. I found the 2014 study, but can’t find that chart.

Edit—guess if I’d read the article instead of just looking at the chart I could have answered my question--(a new version of this survey was just published, but the raw data aren’t available, nor have results from any questions on evolution been published)

Duh

121 teleskiguy  May 30, 2015 10:15:50pm

re: #111 HappyWarrior

Wilmington even which is where Joe is based out of I believe originally. I always have a special fondness for Delaware. The beach cottage that I went to as a kid was in Dewey Beach.

I’ve never been to Delaware and unfortunately every time I think of Delaware I think of Wayne’s World.

122 Kragar  May 30, 2015 10:20:02pm

re: #119 Eclectic Cyborg

Anyone who considers themselves a Christian should NOT be mocking Beaus death.

I don’t care what the fuck your politics are. At a time like this you reach out and do whatever you have to do to help a grieving fellow man.

A lot of people who consider themselves Christians aren’t.

123 A Cranky One  May 30, 2015 10:20:45pm

re: #120 BeachDem

Wonder if Pew has updated that chart. (It’s from 2007). Wonder if it’s gotten better or worse. I found the 2014 study, but can’t find that chart.

Study has been done but the data isn’t available in the proper form and the evolution results haven’t been published yet.

I’m also curious to see if it’s changed. Since the religious right gained significant power in the Republican party, it seems that a lot of right wing ideas have suddenly become adopted as theology by some religious groups. The data might give a hint.

124 A Cranky One  May 30, 2015 10:25:07pm

re: #122 Kragar

A lot of people who consider themselves Christians aren’t.

By their fruit you will recognize them.

125 BeachDem  May 30, 2015 10:34:21pm

re: #123 A Cranky One

Study has been done but the data isn’t available in the proper form and the evolution results haven’t been published yet.

I’m also curious to see if it’s changed. Since the religious right gained significant power in the Republican party, it seems that a lot of right wing ideas have suddenly become adopted as theology by some religious groups. The data might give a hint.

I noticed that the data wasn’t available yet from the 2014 study after I wrote that—would love to see it. Skimming through the charts, there’s been some falloff of religious participation, but will be interesting to see that graph updated with the 2014 data. I fear what it will show!

126 A Cranky One  May 30, 2015 10:53:34pm

Later, lizards.

127 Higgs Boson's Mate  May 30, 2015 11:04:00pm

re: #125 BeachDem

I noticed that the data wasn’t available yet from the 2014 study after I wrote that—would love to see it. Skimming through the charts, there’s been some falloff of religious participation, but will be interesting to see that graph updated with the 2014 data. I fear what it will show!

Researchers at UCSD just released some survey results that point to contemporary adolescents as being the least religiously inclined generation since the survey started in 1966.

128 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 30, 2015 11:06:34pm

re: #127 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Researchers at UCSD just released some survey results that point to contemporary adolescents as being the least religiously inclined generation since the survey started in 1966.

Considering the role models they have, is it any wonder?

129 Viscous Obama  May 30, 2015 11:10:56pm

I enjoyed listening to Beau on public radio when he came on. This is a loss - for all of us.

130 Higgs Boson's Mate  May 30, 2015 11:12:52pm

re: #128 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Considering the role models they have, is it any wonder?

I think that you have something there. Prof. Jean Twenge, the head of the study, commented that this study was able to pinpoint cultural change as the prime factor in the adolescents’ decreased interest in religion. Nothing else will do in an institution as quickly as becoming uncool.

131 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 30, 2015 11:18:04pm

re: #130 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I think that you have something there. Prof. Jean Twenge, the head of the study, commented that this study was able to pinpoint cultural change as the prime factor in the adolescents’ decreased interest in religion. Nothing else will do in an institution as quickly as becoming uncool.

The loudest proponents of “Christianity” in the USA are virulently anti-gay, anti-science, misogynistic, and Islamophobic, among other things. Most teens nowadays are media and Internet savvy, and much less judgmental than their parents about LGBT, for example. They know not all gays and Muslims are evil. They know science works, even if they are hazy about how it works. Extremism just doesn’t bring these kinds of people into your church to stay. It repels them.

Pope Francis’ tactic is quite the opposite. It will be interesting to see if he can bring more people to the RCC.

132 Viscous Obama  May 30, 2015 11:33:16pm

Check this out

Hundreds gather in Arizona for armed anti-Muslim protest

Although the event was marked by inflammatory messages and a tangible divide between the two sides, it wasn’t without some reconciliation.

Jason Leger, a Phoenix resident wearing one of the profanity-laced shirts, accepted an invitation to join the evening prayer inside the mosque, and said the experience changed him.

“It was something I’ve never seen before. I took my shoes off. I kneeled. I saw a bunch of peaceful people. We all got along,” Leger said. “They made me feel welcome, you know. I just think everybody’s points are getting misconstrued, saying things out of emotion, saying things they don’t believe.”

Paul Griffin, who had earlier said he didn’t care if his t-shirt was offensive, assured a small crowd of Muslims at the end of the rally that he wouldn’t wear it again.

“I promise, the next time you see me, I won’t be wearing this shirt,” he told one man while shaking his hand and smiling. “I won’t wear it again.”

Usama Shami, the president of the ICCP, invited anyone to join him and the 800 members of the mosque for a prayer.

133 CuriousLurker  May 30, 2015 11:35:14pm

Oh God, that’s the second child he has lost. I can’t even imagine…

Prayers & condolences.

Inna Lillahi wa inna ilaihi raji’un

…

You, gypsy [woman] who foresees,
Tu gitana, que adivinhas,
Tell me, for I don’t know
Me lo digas, pues no lo sé
If I will make it through this adventure,
Si saldré dessa aventura,
Or if on it I will die.
O si nela moriré.
Or if on it I will ruin my life
O si nela perco la vida
Or if on it I will triumph.
O si nela triumfare.
You, gypsy [woman] who foresees,
Tu gitana, que adivinhas,
Tell me, for I don’t know.
Me lo digas, pues no lo sé.


Photo: By Noumenon (Own work) [CC BY-SA 3.0 or GFDL], via Wikimedia Commons

134 teleskiguy  May 30, 2015 11:49:28pm

Ah memories. This was 10 or 11 months ago, whatever. Time is a goddamned construct. I’m on the far left.

135 CuriousLurker  May 30, 2015 11:55:34pm

re: #119 Eclectic Cyborg

Anyone who considers themselves a Christian decent human being should NOT be mocking Beaus death.

I don’t care what the fuck your politics are. At a time like this you reach out and do whatever you have to do to help a grieving fellow man.

FTFY

136 Shiplord Kirel  May 31, 2015 12:31:20am

re: #4 RealityBasedSteve

I just had to do it…. FreeRepugnant is living up to its name….

And only one or two comments pushing back on those.

RBS

The freeper mods have removed more than 20 of the 197 comments on one string about this, and it takes a lot to get them to act. Some really loathsome comments remain.

I don’t think Charles will have to delete over 10% of the comments here when some right wing politico loses a family member.

137 Nyet  May 31, 2015 12:56:50am

I don’t want to imagine what it’s like to be in Joe Biden’s skin, with all the tragedies he’s had to experience. Dunno how I would have fared. He still remains an unbroken man and just a cool guy, an example for all.

138 Nyet  May 31, 2015 1:42:35am

…

139 Nyet  May 31, 2015 1:54:05am

A two-legged kitty’s instagram:

instagram.com

140 Nyet  May 31, 2015 1:57:37am

re: #139 Nyet

I have a new theory about cats evolving from T-Rex. I think it explains everything.

;)

141 ObserverArt  May 31, 2015 2:02:29am

Awwww, damn. So sad to hear about the death of Beau Biden.

Condolences to the Biden family, friends and relatives.

And thoughts to anyone that hearing the words “died from cancer” brings up past pain from a family member or a friend that has gone through the loss of life from the disease.

And lets not forget the pain of a parent having to deal with the death of a child gone to early.

I know about the pain, reading the comments above brings back the memories of my father going through it all. The only thing that got me through it was the fact that he was 71 and had a pretty long life, but it could have been longer.

Anyone low enough to make negative comments about this isn’t worthy of acknowledgement. They are another form of cancer that needs eradicated.

142 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 31, 2015 2:03:48am

re: #119 Eclectic Cyborg

Anyone who considers themselves a Christian should NOT be mocking Beaus death.

I don’t care what the fuck your politics are. At a time like this you reach out and do whatever you have to do to help a grieving fellow man.

It reminds us again of how political discourse has gone from winning people over to your side with convincing arguments to attacking your opponents and branding them losers, moochers, takers, terrorist sympathizers, sex perverts America-haters, baby-killers, communisist/fascists, secret Muslims, etc.

143 Nyet  May 31, 2015 2:29:09am
Northwestern University professor Laura Kipnis found herself entangled in one such trial after two female graduate students filed Title IX charges against her because of an essay and a tweet she authored. Kipnis was then plunged into a secretive and labyrinthine bureaucratic process that she believes threatens her academic freedom.
[…]
For the rest of the insane and increasingly paradoxical twists to Kipnis’ ordeal (which is still ongoing), including the Title IX investigators asking Kipnis if she would like to file her own retaliation claim against the students, read her dispatch here. It is a stunning example of feminism devouring itself.

jezebel.com

Something is mighty rotten in the state of Denmark.

144 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 2:36:49am

re: #142 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Right.

And anyone who considers herself a journalist” should not be inserting herself into someone else’s death. But then, Xeni Jardin has always been about Xeni Jardin.

RIP, Beau Biden. You left part of yourself behind in your 2 children, your wife, and parents who will never forget you and love you no matter what anyone else thinks.

145 Nyet  May 31, 2015 2:45:21am

…

146 darthstar  May 31, 2015 3:06:12am

God, that sucks about Biden’s son.

147 darthstar  May 31, 2015 3:09:37am

re: #132 Viscous Obama

Check this out

Hundreds gather in Arizona for armed anti-Muslim protest

Love is a powerful weapon.

148 goddamnedfrank  May 31, 2015 3:10:48am

Sometimes lefties can be idiots and feel the need to remind the world of that fact.

149 darthstar  May 31, 2015 3:21:11am

Summertime clothing advice.

150 goddamnedfrank  May 31, 2015 3:21:21am
GENEVA — Secretary of State John F. Kerry suffered a leg injury Sunday morning in an accident while bicycling and was transported by medical helicopter to a hospital here.
151 Nyet  May 31, 2015 3:22:36am

re: #149 darthstar

So you would be happy to see Rush Limbaugh in a bikini, I guess.
/

152 darthstar  May 31, 2015 3:23:19am

re: #150 goddamnedfrank

I saw that too. He does love road riding. Hopefully air transport was just due to his position and not because of a critical injury.

153 darthstar  May 31, 2015 3:27:21am

Time to check the buoys.

154 darthstar  May 31, 2015 3:29:18am

re: #153 darthstar

Time to check the buoys.

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155 darthstar  May 31, 2015 3:36:51am

Damn you Putin!

156 Decatur Deb  May 31, 2015 3:53:38am

re: #148 goddamnedfrank

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Sometimes lefties can be idiots and feel the need to remind the world of that fact.

A few of us have always had trouble understanding that “classless society” thing.

157 William Lewis  May 31, 2015 4:02:57am

re: #156 Decatur Deb

A few of us have always had trouble with that “classless society” thing.

I see what you did there.

Pity it’s true…

158 Nyet  May 31, 2015 4:19:59am

While I’m not able to evaluate this claim properly, it seems credible enough at first glance:

159 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 4:24:26am

re: #143 Nyet

Such as? I think this whole brouhaha boils down to something fundamental.

Sure, you can argue that 18 yr olds are “adults” and should be able to handle college on their own. OTOH, should those in power positions, those who run and work in the institutions that these young people attend, show their own immaturity in not being able to keep a bright line intact for both students and those authority figures? I don’t think young women (or men) actually have the kind of experience and tools with which to manage their freedom from their previous background of family and community. College is another world for them and requires adjustments and new ways of seeing the world, of being “free” and on their own to say and act as they please. But let’s not equate sexual activity with adult maturity and the rigors of academic life, something those in positions of authority in these schools should know.

Age itself doesn’t determine maturity.

Even as a 32 yr old and as a feminist, I refused to curry favor with those who taught me through such activities as giving in to a sexual attraction. I had already seen enough of that in the workplace to know that it didn’t, in most cases, turn out well for the woman (since in every case the workplace “superior” was always a man).

And Kipnis is defending the actions of a male professor for exploiting the drunken feelings of a young student? He should have never have put himself in that situation to begin with. He is the one who should have known better and showed his own maturity. For a “feminist” to, in effect, sanction such behavior is outrageous, IMHO. Harvard has banned all sexual relationships between student and teacher at the undergraduate level, which is more appropriate, given the younger ages of those students. Any teacher who cannot find a partner outside of his or her work place and preys on young students, whether or not the student initiates the relationship, is a poor teacher indeed. This may also be about “academic freedom” but even that can be determined by one’s own actions.

But to file a Title IX charge against Kipnis? A bit of overreaction which just exemplifies what I’ve tried to say.

And her “essay” certainly sounds pretty damned reactionary. Even down to this: “For the record, I strongly believe that bona fide harassers should be chemically castrated, stripped of their property, and hung up by their thumbs in the nearest public square. ” Whoa.

160 Nyet  May 31, 2015 4:27:23am

re: #159 Justanotherhuman

Such as?

*shrugs*

161 Nyet  May 31, 2015 4:36:14am
162 Nyet  May 31, 2015 4:40:57am
163 Decatur Deb  May 31, 2015 4:43:09am

re: #158 Nyet

While I’m not able to evaluate this claim properly, it seems credible enough at first glance:

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Is it a more focused version of a “post-modernism generator”?

164 Timothy Watson  May 31, 2015 4:44:23am

re: #162 Nyet

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Chuckie’s new project got funding?

…but the site looks too professional.

165 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  May 31, 2015 4:45:19am

What is an SJP?

166 Decatur Deb  May 31, 2015 4:45:25am

Looks more like a boob-pun that slipped a little.

167 Nyet  May 31, 2015 4:45:42am

The neo-fascist fuck Fawstin is at it again.

168 Nyet  May 31, 2015 4:46:05am

re: #165 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Students for Justice in Palestine

169 Timothy Watson  May 31, 2015 4:46:45am

re: #167 Nyet

The neo-fascist fuck Fawstin is at it again.

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OICW? Are we back in the ’00s?

170 Nyet  May 31, 2015 4:46:48am

re: #168 Nyet

They may not be “nice”, but comparing them to KKK is desperate idiocy.

171 Timothy Watson  May 31, 2015 4:47:59am

re: #165 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

What is an SJP?

Students for Justice in Palestine apparently.

172 Decatur Deb  May 31, 2015 4:53:01am

re: #167 Nyet

The neo-fascist fuck Fawstin is at it again.

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Not with that technology, probably not even with nukes. IIRC, it cost $250,000 (1970’s) to kill each of the opposition KIA in Viet Nam. With today’s wildly more expensive PG weapons it is much higher. Even if our morality would let us, our bankers won’t.

173 Nyet  May 31, 2015 4:53:49am

Targeted groups (from the Canary website):

SJP

AMP

MSA

BDS

JVP

CAIR

Hamas

Muslim Brotherhood

Electronic Intifada

Mondoweiss

End The Occupation

ISM

Of course, putting the more moderate groups on the level of Hamas or MB is their whole point.

174 Nyet  May 31, 2015 4:56:31am

If anything, it’s the Horowitz style.

175 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 4:57:29am

re: #173 Nyet

Heh, @canarymission also retweets Ted Cruz and Breitbart.

176 Decatur Deb  May 31, 2015 4:57:49am

re: #173 Nyet

Targeted groups (from the Canary website):

Of course, putting the more moderate groups on the level of Hamas or MB is their whole point.

Haven’t been paying close attention, but I thought Mondoweiss was 180 degrees out from the others listed.

177 Nyet  May 31, 2015 4:58:32am

“Radical Obama friend Rashid Khalidi 2007 Lecture.” LOL

178 Nyet  May 31, 2015 4:59:19am

re: #176 Decatur Deb

Mondoweiss are a bunch of schmucks (though even they don’t deserve the Hamas comparisons). I was thinking more about JVP and such.

179 Decatur Deb  May 31, 2015 5:01:36am

Daytime stuff. BBL

180 darthstar  May 31, 2015 5:08:43am

re: #162 Nyet

They’re like Chuck Johnson, only smart and organized. Scary fucking people.

181 darthstar  May 31, 2015 5:10:49am

re: #176 Decatur Deb

Haven’t been paying close attention, but I thought Mondoweiss was 180 degrees out from the others listed.

What do they have against the California Association For Institutional Research?

cair.org

182 darthstar  May 31, 2015 5:15:49am

Mr. Cruz also added: “That’s probably one of the reasons why all those left-wing satire sites are writing so much about me, they’re probably threatened or something. But, there’s no reason for that; it’s not like I plan on shutting them down when I’m President.”

But the thought has crossed your mind?

183 Nyet  May 31, 2015 5:16:35am

re: #182 darthstar

Newslo
@TheNewslo
The First Ever Hybrid News/Satire Site! #ClickShowFacts! #Satire #Humor

184 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 31, 2015 5:17:11am

re: #182 darthstar

But the thought has crossed your mind?

I see now why Chuck Johnson adores Cruz so much. Birds of a feather.

Oh. Parody site. nm

185 Dark_Falcon  May 31, 2015 5:19:25am

re: #180 darthstar

They’re like Chuck Johnson, only smart and organized. Scary fucking people.

I don’t agree. I think its fully appropriate to post info about the people behind ‘Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions’ initiatives and get the people around them to ask why they hate Israel and and provide political cover for terrorists. I realize that things can thereafter get nasty for the people targeted, but things are far rougher for Israelis subjected to rocket attacks or who’ve had some Palestinian asshole try to run them down because they’re Jews.

186 Nyet  May 31, 2015 5:21:08am

*sigh*

187 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 31, 2015 5:24:25am

re: #185 Dark_Falcon

I am speechless.

188 Nyet  May 31, 2015 5:28:08am

From the Canary website:

He [Khalidi] was formerly the spokesperson of the PLO under Yasir Arafat.

Khalidi:
edition.cnn.com

Khalidi has been a harsh critic of U.S. foreign policy toward Israel and has accused the country of “occupying” Palestinian territories. But he has denied acting as a PLO spokesman during a seven-year period in the 1970s and 1980s.

WashTimes:

Today, however, Mr. Khalidi distances himself from his past. In reply to our questions, he wrote that between 1976 and 1983, “I was teaching full time as an Assistant Professor in the Political Studies and Public Administration Dept. at the American University of Beirut, published two books and several articles, and also was a research fellow at the independent Institute for Palestine Studies,” and says he had no time for anything else. Mr. Khalidi dismisses the allegation that he served as a PLO spokesman, saying, “I often spoke to journalists in Beirut, who usually cited me without attribution as a well-informed Palestinian source. If some misidentified me at the time, I am not aware of it.”

189 Nyet  May 31, 2015 5:30:34am
190 Nyet  May 31, 2015 5:31:13am
191 Nyet  May 31, 2015 5:32:16am

It’s a wingnut site for wingnuts, not a legitimate database of haters.

Shame on people defending it.

192 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 31, 2015 5:36:08am

re: #167 Nyet

The neo-fascist fuck Fawstin is at it again.

Worked for Santa Ana at the Alamo…

193 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  May 31, 2015 5:37:05am

Interesting that the Canary Mission is doxing people, but won’t use their own names on their website.

194 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 31, 2015 5:37:29am

re: #182 darthstar

Mr. Cruz also added: “That’s probably one of the reasons why all those left-wing satire sites are writing so much about me, they’re probably threatened or something. But, there’s no reason for that; it’s not like I plan on shutting them down when I’m President.”

You mean just like Obama plans to shut down all those right-wing sites?

195 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  May 31, 2015 5:38:48am

See if I can get this FB video to work:

BEST FIELD TRIP EVER: As a child in the segregated South, Mrs. Bailey never went on a field trip. Only the white kids were allowed to, she says. Yesterday, the 97-year-old school volunteer went on a tour of the White House— something she dreamed about doing. Mrs. Bailey never expected to meet President Obama, but she did! See more pictures from Mrs. Bailey's visit, here: bit.ly

Posted by Fox 5 DC & MyFoxDC on Wednesday, May 27, 2015
196 Nyet  May 31, 2015 5:40:10am

re: #194 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

You mean just like Obama plans to shut down all those right-wing sites?

Yes, the parody Cruz means that.

197 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 31, 2015 5:45:29am

re: #196 Nyet

Yes, the parody Cruz means that.

You mean he is going to shut down only parody sites?

198 Nyet  May 31, 2015 5:47:34am

re: #197 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

You mean he is going to shut down only parody sites?

Oh, the day can’t come too soon. ;)

199 Nyet  May 31, 2015 5:48:23am

Parody Cruz/Sarah Palin 2017.5!

200 Timothy Watson  May 31, 2015 5:48:55am

re: #193 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Interesting that the Canary Mission is doxing people, but won’t use their own names on their website.

Yep, and the domain is registered through a proxy.

201 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 5:51:52am

John Kerry returning to US after breaking his femur in a bicycling accident in Europe - @NetSecCNN
end of alert

202 Nyet  May 31, 2015 5:53:49am

re: #200 Timothy Watson

Another criticism levelled at Canary Mission is that we are outing radicals but not owning up to who we are and who supports us. However, from ISIS, to Hamas to domestic American radicals, there is a true physical danger. See the comments on our Twitter feed and Youtube video and get an idea of why we are not particularly forthcoming for now.

They are like martyrs or something./

203 Feline Fearless Leader  May 31, 2015 5:54:40am

re: #155 darthstar

Damn you Putin!

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I thought you normally found Prince Albert in the can.

204 Nyet  May 31, 2015 5:57:02am
The curious thing is, that now, the pro-Israel voice occupies the place of the underdog in the public-opinion realm. The Saudi-funded, Muslim Brotherhood-orchestrated millions-strong anti-Israel lobby is technically the strong one, and the tiny pro-Israel voice, the struggling underdog. So why do we not see reams of people turning their heads, changing their sides and rushing to the pro-Israel lobby to defend the unlikely choice?

The reason is, for the pro-Israel movement, being a victor has been branded as synonymous with being an abuser. Thus the work of the pro-Israel lobby is a subtle one. The subtle truth is that the pro-Israel movement is the underdog, but their position in the media is being framed as the abuser. This is the clever work of the anti-Israel lobby, and the reason the pro-Israel movement is so behind. In order for the pro-Israel movement to make ground, it will take a reframe of the foundations, of the assumptions people make about the entire dynamic of the Israel-Palestine conflict.

205 Feline Fearless Leader  May 31, 2015 5:58:58am
Feline Overlord - 1969 Edition. What, No catnip!?!
206 Nyet  May 31, 2015 6:00:47am

re: #185 Dark_Falcon

I realize that things can thereafter get nasty for the people targeted, but things are far rougher for Israelis

You do understand that there is no logical connection between the statements, right?

207 Belafon  May 31, 2015 6:01:40am

re: #204 Nyet

If my friend allowed me to shoot myself in the foot, he wouldn’t be much of a friend.

People who think that “if you don’t allow Israel to do whatever it wants then you aren’t a friend” have the whole idea backwards.

208 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 6:11:06am

Sohel Rana, owner of Bangladesh garment factory that collapsed killing more than 1,100 people, to face murder charges

abc.net.au

Sohel Rana, owner of the Rana Plaza factory complex on the outskirts of the capital Dhaka, was among those who were expected to be formally charged over the disaster, lead investigator Bijoy Krishna Kar said.

“We are going to press murder charges against 41 people including the owners of the building, Sohel Rana and his parents, later today,” Mr Kar said, adding that if convicted all could be sentenced to death.

“It was a mass killing. All 41 of those charged have a collective responsibility for the tragedy.” More

209 Joe Bacon  May 31, 2015 6:13:43am

re: #189 Nyet

And then there’s this showing how stupid Rafael Cruz is…

…

210 Dark_Falcon  May 31, 2015 6:16:17am

re: #207 Belafon

If my friend allowed me to shoot myself in the foot, he wouldn’t be much of a friend.

People who think that “if you don’t allow Israel to do whatever it wants then you aren’t a friend” have the whole idea backwards.

Demanding is Israel be subjected to a boycott, and sanctions is not the act of a friend, and neither is trying to mandate divestment from Raytheon for developing missile defense tech used in Israel’s Iron Dome system. If a person is saying, as does the BDS(I) crowd, that Raytheon should not ship such tech to Israel, then that person is objectively in favor of the rocket attacks Iron Dome keeps from hitting cities.

211 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 6:18:58am

re: #195 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

That kind of pernicious racism lasted for years in the south. Just one example of how Black children were segregated, and even after Brown v Board, their education neglected, even up to the present day, in predominantly Black communities.

212 BeenHereAwhile  May 31, 2015 6:22:18am

re: #137 Nyet

I don’t want to imagine what it’s like to be in Joe Biden’s skin, with all the tragedies he’s had to experience. Dunno how I would have fared. He still remains an unbroken man and just a cool guy, an example for all.

When I hear RWNJ or media comments about Joe Biden, I think of this photo.

213 Nyet  May 31, 2015 6:23:06am

re: #210 Dark_Falcon

Because all critics of Israel are for BDS and want more dead Jews.

…

214 Nyet  May 31, 2015 6:26:41am

Some of the people listed on the site are indeed haters. That doesn’t change the fact that this site is bullshit.

215 Nyet  May 31, 2015 6:39:10am

In the process of digging I found this piece about Max Blumenthal that should put an end to any speculations about whether he’s a bigot or not:

forward.com

Almost halfway through their 83-minute encounter (minute 34:00 on YouTube), Lustick emotionally asks Blumenthal whether he believes, like Abraham at Sodom, that there are enough “good people” in Israel to justify its continued existence — or whether he’s calling for a mass “exodus,” the title of his last chapter, and “the end of Jewish collective life in the land of Israel.”

Blumenthal gives a convoluted answer that comes down to this: “There should be a choice placed to the settler-colonial population” (meaning the entire Jewish population of Israel): “Become indigenized,” that is, “you have to be part of the Arab world.” Or else…? “The maintenance and engineering of a non-indigenous demographic majority is non-negotiable.”

Lustick appears stunned. And not only Lustick. Philip Weiss, founder and co-editor of Mondoweiss, who was in the audience, wrote afterwards, in a rare rebuke of his own writer, that he saw “some intolerance in that answer.”

We live in a “multicultural world,” Weiss wrote. There should be room for Israelis. “The issue in the end involves the choice between an Algerian and a South African outcome.” Mass expulsion versus coexistence. “I’m for the South African outcome.”

Blumenthal isn’t. It’s a chilling moment, even for the anti-Zionists among us.

216 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 6:57:38am

re: #182 darthstar

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But the thought has crossed your mind?

Contrast that with the father of this page’s subject, Joe Biden who loves the Onion’s parodies of him and can laugh at it. Humility, Ted, try it sometime, but I know your Dad has convinced you that you’re the Canadian Cuban messiah.

217 Nyet  May 31, 2015 7:00:02am

And, I’m sorry to say, I caught SPLC in a bit of dishonesty.

splcenter.org

During one such week in 2010, Horowitz appeared at the University of California-Santa Barbara. Midway through the program, he began to debate a Muslim student wearing a traditional Palestinian keffiyah — what Horowitz called a “terrorist neckerchief.” When the young woman asked Horowitz to clarify the connections he had been drawing between the Muslim Student Association on campus and radical terrorists, he instead asked the woman to denounce Hamas.

“For it, or against it?” he barked, demanding an answer. It was a trap.

While she would later claim she was thinking unclearly and intimidated, she bashfully replied, “For it.” Horowitz nodded and smiled. It was a rhetorical trick — the kind Horowitz has perfected. If she supported Hamas, Horowitz argued, the Muslim Student Association to which she belonged was actually tied to a terrorist organization, as defined by the State Department.

The actual answer “For it” as it appears on the video was not to the question about Hamas. Rather it was to this question:

“The head of Hezbollah has said, that he hopes that we [Jews] will gather in Israel so he doesn’t have to hunt us down globally. For it or against it?”

…

Everything should be fact-checked.

PS: for fairness’s sake, here is her own explanation:

Click to Reveal

Towards the end of the exchange, I became emotional. I could no longer hear Mr. Horowitz speaking and so did not even hear his injection of Hezbollah’s credo of “rounding up” Jews in his last tangent. I could no longer contain my anger at being implicitly and improperly labeled a terrorist, an anti-Semite, and a proponent of genocide. The answer I was coerced into giving grossly misrepresented my beliefs and ideologies.

My answer, “for it,” in the context in which it was said does NOT mean “for” genocide. I was referring to his initial question that asked me for my position on Hamas, a topic that for his own political reasons he was relentless in pursuing. “For it” was not a legitimization of Hezbollah’s or anyone else’s credo for that matter that Jews should be exterminated. In fact, Mr. Horowitz’s intent was to entrap me with his barrage of questions so that he could avoid answering my question, and construe any answer that I would provide as anti-Semitic, genocidal hate speech in order to further his political agenda.

Whether you buy it or not (I don’t, because of sheer implausibility and the fact that by that time she had already addressed the Hamas question at some length, not that being for Hamas is any better), Lenz distorted the record.


PPS: oh, and Horowitz is scum, regardless.

218 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 7:02:35am

People have a right to demand boycotts and sanctions for Israel. I’m sorry but this kind of shit does nothing to help Israel at all. I’d be saying the same thing if this was the 40’s and people were doing the same to pro-Zionist activists.

219 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 7:03:56am

re: #217 Nyet

And, I’m sorry to say, I caught SPLC in a bit of dishonesty.

The actual answer “For it” as it appears on the video was not to the question about Hamas. Rather it was to this question:

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Everything should be fact-checked.

PS: for fairness’s sake, here is her own explanation:

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PPS: oh, and Horowitz is scum, regardless.

Horowitz is a well known apologist for white supremacy. He’s no different than what he claims to hate.

220 Nyet  May 31, 2015 7:05:37am

re: #219 HappyWarrior

Horowitz is a well known apologist for white supremacy. He’s no different than what he claims to hate.

See my PPS.

221 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 7:10:33am

re: #220 Nyet

See my PPS.

I know, I was agreeing with you. I’m saying he’s no different from the Anti-Semites he claims to hate. I just think people like him do more harm for Israel’s reputation than good.

222 Nyet  May 31, 2015 7:23:48am

Quite a lot of folks on the Canary bullshit site don’t have any personal “sins” except belonging to some org like SJP.

223 Nyet  May 31, 2015 7:32:12am

re: #222 Nyet

Example:

Overview

Israeli born Tom Pessah completed a Ph.D. dissertation in Sociology at the University of California Berkeley. He has written extensively on the inaccuracy of the comparison between the situation in Gaza and the Holocaust.

Despite his virulently anti-Israel stance, Pessah stated in an interview with jweekly.com that he’s proud to be Jewish, and that although it’s important to speak out on anti-Semitism when it surfaces, he feels many Jews exaggerate the extent of it.

He currently lives in Tel Aviv and is studying Political and Cultural Sociology at Hebrew University.

SJP

Pessah was an active member of Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) UC Berkeley.

224 Mattand  May 31, 2015 7:36:40am

re: #85 Charles Johnson

Yes, there are a lot of comments expressing condolences to the Biden family. But they’re right next to the haters, ignoring what’s going on right in their midst. The condolences ring pretty hollow when they tolerate this kind of deranged madness and don’t say a fucking word about it.

And by tomorrow, the hatred is going to be in full swing.

That right there is the problem with “moderate” Republicans: too fucking chickenshit or too fucking complacent to stand up to the truly horrible people infesting their political worldview. And then keep right on rolling along with them.

225 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 7:38:44am

re: #224 Mattand

That right there is the problem with “moderate” Republicans: too fucking chickenshit or too fucking complacent to stand up to the truly horrible people infesting their political worldview. And then keep right on rolling along with them.

The problem I noticed with so called moderates is they try to excuse the excesses by going all MBF. “Sure they say nasty things about Obama but what about all the stuff the left said about Bush.” And yes it’s true the left was nasty towards Bush but there wasn’t the concerted effort by Democratic politicians that questioned Bush’s love of our country. And I could use a thousand other examples.

226 ObserverArt  May 31, 2015 7:41:03am

Interesting. A local Columbus NBC politics show is talking about John Kasich running for president. They (both the Republican and Democrat spokesmen) say it seems from what they can tell, Kasich will try to position himself as an independent Republican, away from the strict Tea Party/RWNJ parroting all the same talking points, and run on his differences on things like Medicaid expansion, the economy (protecting the middle class and poor), less gun-ho on Mid East wars etc.

They likened it to McCain trying to be a mavericky candidate separating himself from the pack and how that almost worked for McCain and might work for Kasich more this time.

They are saying the strategy is maybe he can take some moderate Dem voters away from Hillary to allow him to ignore the more crazy aspect of his own party making the party big wigs want to get behind him as the only legitimate guy with a chance against her.

Problem is, can he get a GOP nomination with all the crazies involved on the GOP side? And will any moderate Dems ever vote for any Republican when the party seems to weigh down any of their candidates with the crazy crap?

The other issue is the way Kasich often times comes off. If he wants to be seen as different, then he will go on the attack of the other GOP candidates and he can often turn into an asshole doing it. He is a “let me tell you” kind of guy.

As I’ve been saying. Watch Kasich. If anything he will shake things up.

227 darthstar  May 31, 2015 7:42:50am

re: #185 Dark_Falcon

228 darthstar  May 31, 2015 7:43:17am

Gingerhead

229 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 7:44:54am

re: #226 ObserverArt

Interesting. A local Columbus NBC politics show is talking about John Kasich running for president. They (both the Republican and Democrat spokesmen) say it seems from what they can tell, Kasich will try to position himself as an independent Republican, away from the strict Tea Party/RWNJ parroting all the same talking points, and run on his differences on things like Medicaid expansion, the economy (protecting the middle class and poor), less gun-ho on Mid East wars etc.

They likened it to McCain trying to be a mavericky candidate separating himself from the pack and how that almost worked for McCain and might work for Kasich more this time.

They are saying the strategy is maybe he can take some moderate Dem voters away from Hillary to allow him to ignore the more crazy aspect of his own party making the party big wigs want to get behind him as the only legitimate guy with a chance against her.

Problem is, can he get a GOP nomination with all the crazies involved on the GOP side? And will any moderate Dems ever vote for any Republican when the party seems to weigh down any of their candidates with the crazy crap.

The other issue is the way Kasich often times comes off. If he wants to be seen as different, then he will go on the attack of the other GOP candidates and he can often turn into an asshole doing it. He is a “let me tell you” kind of guy.

As I’ve been saying. Watch Kasich. If anything he will shakes things up.

I think he’ll be an afterthought but you do know him better than I do being an Ohioan.

230 darthstar  May 31, 2015 7:45:30am

re: #226 ObserverArt

Kasich is going after Bush…mocking his ‘Right to rise’ SuperPac and trying to get some attention. I suspect if the money pays attention to him, the media will. Right now he’s got to score popularity points to get on stage for the debates in August.

231 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 7:47:54am

I am still feeling Walker will emerge. I don’t know. I think they’re going to like the fact that eh’s won three elections in a solid Democratic state, that he’s fairly young politically, and that he seems to appeal to the Teanuts, the base, and the corporate bigwigs. I think Bush is definitely a possibility since you never count out the establishment’s man in a Republican race.

232 Timothy Watson  May 31, 2015 7:48:32am

re: #226 ObserverArt

Interesting. A local Columbus NBC politics show is talking about John Kasich running for president. They (both the Republican and Democrat spokesmen) say it seems from what they can tell, Kasich will try to position himself as an independent Republican, away from the strict Tea Party/RWNJ parroting all the same talking points, and run on his differences on things like Medicaid expansion, the economy (protecting the middle class and poor), less gun-ho on Mid East wars etc.

They likened it to McCain trying to be a mavericky candidate separating himself from the pack and how that almost worked for McCain and might work for Kasich more this time.

They are saying the strategy is maybe he can take some moderate Dem voters away from Hillary to allow him to ignore the more crazy aspect of his own party making the party big wigs want to get behind him as the only legitimate guy with a chance against her.

Problem is, can he get a GOP nomination with all the crazies involved on the GOP side? And will any moderate Dems ever vote for any Republican when the party seems to weigh down any of their candidates with the crazy crap?

The other issue is the way Kasich often times comes off. If he wants to be seen as different, then he will go on the attack of the other GOP candidates and he can often turn into an asshole doing it. He is a “let me tell you” kind of guy.

As I’ve been saying. Watch Kasich. If anything he will shakes things up.

So…Kasich is going to be the Jon Huntsman of 2016?

233 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 7:50:12am

re: #232 Timothy Watson

So…Kasich is going to be the Jon Huntsman of 2016?

If that’s the case then I stand by my afterthought comment.

234 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 8:02:51am

re: #231 HappyWarrior

I am still feeling Walker will emerge. I don’t know. I think they’re going to like the fact that eh’s won three elections in a solid Democratic state, that he’s fairly young politically, and that he seems to appeal to the Teanuts, the base, and the corporate bigwigs. I think Bush is definitely a possibility since you never count out the establishment’s man in a Republican race.

Certainly Walker is more like “them”, the base: Will regurgitate all the talking points of both the base, ‘baggers and his backers, and isn’t a college graduate, like many of them. Just a guy you might meet in the local church, or club.

235 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 8:07:41am
236 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 8:12:55am

As if war wasn’t enough…

Fire at clinic in northeast Syria kills 27, mostly children, state media reports - @AFP

uk.news.yahoo.com

How are you “spared from violence” in your own country that’s ablaze with it? Physically, perhaps, but not the terror of it.

237 allegro  May 31, 2015 8:17:17am

It seems we all survived yet another round of storms and flooding, including the baby mockingbirds I have so been enjoying in their nest by my patio. I was so happy to see their little faces pop up for bites from mom and dad this morning.

All this rain and overcast weather has seriously stunted my veggie crops. Only have 3 tomatoes on my heirloom plant, one of which is just coming ripe. Just another day or two to be picked and savored. I had such plans for that juicy morsel I’ve been nurturing and drooling over in sweet anticipation! A little while ago activity caught my attention… a mockingbird going to town on that tomato. Oh no! Noooooooo not my ONE tomato!

Then that mockingbird gave the babies a good meal of my tomato. It was for a good cause at least.

238 Feline Fearless Leader  May 31, 2015 8:21:08am
Need a bigger box!
239 ObserverArt  May 31, 2015 8:22:54am

And look who is on Meet The Chuck. Johnny Kasich.

Chuck Todd said, well, if and when you make a decision to run we’ll have you back on. Kasich: “Looking forward to it!” (with a bog old smile on his face…and he does not smile like that a lot)

Let me clarify my position on Kasich. I do not like the guy. At all. But I do recognize him as a damn tough politician. He is not a John Huntsman, nor is he a Scott Walker.

I do not want to see all three branches of our government held by one party. Therefore I fear a guy like Kasich because I do know how he can sell himself to the people of this time and place in American politics.

240 Eventual Carrion  May 31, 2015 8:26:04am

re: #203 Feline Fearless Leader

I thought you normally found Prince Albert in the can.

Better let him out, he’s gonna suffocate.

241 Dark_Falcon  May 31, 2015 8:31:50am

re: #239 ObserverArt

And look who is on Meet The Chuck. Johnny Kasich.

Chuck Todd said, well, if and when you make a decision to run we’ll have you back on. Kasich: “Looking forward to it!” (with a bog old smile on his face…and he does not smile like that a lot)

Let me clarify my position on Kasich. I do not like the guy. At all. But I do recognize him as a damn tough politician. He is not a John Huntsman, nor is he a Scott Walker.

I do not want to see all three branches of our government held by one party. Therefore I fear a guy like Kasich because I do know how he can sell himself to the people of this time and place in American politics.

I don’t like John Kasich. It has nothing to do with his positions, he just has a syrupy voice that I can’t stand hearing.

242 Eventual Carrion  May 31, 2015 8:31:59am

re: #208 Justanotherhuman

Sohel Rana, owner of Bangladesh garment factory that collapsed killing more than 1,100 people, to face murder charges

[snip]

“We are going to press murder charges against 41 people including the owners of the building, Sohel Rana and his parents, later today,” Mr Kar said, adding that if convicted all could be sentenced to death.

“It was a mass killing. All 41 of those charged have a collective responsibility for the tragedy.” More

And we were crucifying BP here in the USA according to some wingnuts when they killed some people.

243 PhillyPretzel  May 31, 2015 8:32:17am

re: #238 Feline Fearless Leader

Quick order something from Amazon. Just kidding. :) Check out the latest perk from Amazon: littlegreenfootballs.com

244 BeachDem  May 31, 2015 8:33:12am

re: #226 ObserverArt

The other issue is the way Kasich often times comes off. If he wants to be seen as different, then he will go on the attack of the other GOP candidates and he can often turn into an asshole doing it. He is a “let me tell you” kind of guy.

As I’ve been saying. Watch Kasich. If anything he will shakes things up.

Probably because being an asshole is his natural state of being. (I really dislike John Kasich.) But you’re right, he is a sleazy chameleon.

245 Mattand  May 31, 2015 8:34:21am

re: #240 Eventual Carrion

Better let him out, he’s gonna suffocate.

Let him suffocate. Guy keeps letting his parakeets poop on my lawn.

246 Feline Fearless Leader  May 31, 2015 8:34:36am

re: #243 PhillyPretzel

Quick order something from Amazon. Just kidding. :)

She already has a shoebox (hiking boots) and another cardboard box as permanent sit-in spots. She just gets to play with any new boxes that come into the apartment for a few days before I recycle them.

That one was a sort of test case for how small of a box she will try to fit herself into. (There is a Maru video on that subject as well.)

247 Romantic Heretic  May 31, 2015 8:35:05am

re: #143 Nyet

jezebel.com

Something is mighty rotten in the state of Denmark.

It’s what happens to every movement that tries to expand rights and freedom. Before too long some people involved in it lose the ability to discern between support for the opposing side and differences of opinion.

Humans tend to be uncomfortable with thought and so many reduce everything to black and white, good and evil. At which point the old Taoist proverb, “What you resist, you become,” takes effect.

248 BeachDem  May 31, 2015 8:36:10am

re: #241 Dark_Falcon

I don’t like John Kasich. It has nothing to do with his positions, he just has a syrupy voice that I can’t stand hearing.

Yeah, even when he’s not being sarcastic (which he usually is) he sounds that way.

249 Feline Fearless Leader  May 31, 2015 8:36:54am

Did a photo-walk through the Art Museum area and up into Fairmount Park yesterday. Haven’t downloaded the Nikon yet, but I got a few Iphone shots that came out pretty nice IMO.

250 Mattand  May 31, 2015 8:38:49am

re: #226 ObserverArt

They are saying the strategy is maybe he can take some moderate Dem voters away from Hillary to allow him to ignore the more crazy aspect of his own party making the party big wigs want to get behind him as the only legitimate guy with a chance against her.

I could see that happening. I know enough Magic Balance Fairy Democrats who would buy that brand of bullshit: “DURRRR, he supports all Republican policies but he’s not running as GOP DURRRRR!”

A neighboring town has a mayor who initially got elected a Republican; at some point got re-elected as a Democrat; and then switched back to being a Republican once he got back into office.

Anything is possible, given the lack of intellectual awareness many American voters purposely afflict themselves with.

251 ObserverArt  May 31, 2015 8:41:05am

re: #241 Dark_Falcon

I don’t like John Kasich. It has nothing to do with his positions, he just has a syrupy voice that I can’t stand hearing.

You are baffling. I would think Kasich is right up your alley. He is a GOPer that offers a chance that I don’t think even Walker can muster.

I bet you’d vote for him against Hillary!

(Notice…I did not add ‘wouldn’t you?’ to the last line. I didn’t want to put you in an obvious trap thinking you’d have to actually answer it)

252 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 8:43:50am

re: #239 ObserverArt

And look who is on Meet The Chuck. Johnny Kasich.

Chuck Todd said, well, if and when you make a decision to run we’ll have you back on. Kasich: “Looking forward to it!” (with a bog old smile on his face…and he does not smile like that a lot)

Let me clarify my position on Kasich. I do not like the guy. At all. But I do recognize him as a damn tough politician. He is not a John Huntsman, nor is he a Scott Walker.

I do not want to see all three branches of our government held by one party. Therefore I fear a guy like Kasich because I do know how he can sell himself to the people of this time and place in American politics.

Esp one which directly challenges the power of the Democratic President we now have, such powers of authority that are outlined in the Constitution. These Congressional Republicans are drunk with power and barely recognize the 3 branches as being separate to stop exactly what they would like to do, not what the Constitution requires.

If they have to go outside DC to get who they want, this is their plan, under the guise of “he (and it will be a he) isn’t an “inside the Beltway” kind of guy.

We simply cannot allow that to happen.

253 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 8:45:19am

re: #234 Justanotherhuman

Certainly Walker is more like “them”, the base: Will regurgitate all the talking points of both the base, ‘baggers and his backers, and isn’t a college graduate, like many of them. Just a guy you might meet in the local church, or club.

Yeah I just think Walker fits the template. And if I were a Dem strategist, I wouldn’t take him lightly because as I said he’s won three elections in a strong Democratic state. That doesn’t necessarily mean it would translate nationally but if I’m a strategist, I’m noticing that and not scoffing at it. A guy like Walker would be a lot more dangerous in a GE than Cruz or Paul IMO because of that and as you say he can do the regular schmo bit.

254 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 8:46:57am

It’s a strange world where John Kasich is a supposed moderate. But then again I was saying this about Jon “Abolish the EPA” Huntsman too. Moderate is but in the eyes of the beholder or something like that. And I’m not saying that anyone here is saying Kasich is a moderate. I understand that you guys are talking about how the media is going to present him.

255 ObserverArt  May 31, 2015 8:47:23am

re: #252 Justanotherhuman

Esp one which directly challenges the power of the Democratic President we now have, such powers of authority that are outlined in the Constitution. These Congressional Republicans are drunk with power and barely recognize the 3 branches as being separate to stop exactly what they would like to do, not what the Constitution requires.

If they have to go outside DC to get who they want, this is their plan, under the guise of “he (and it will be a he) isn’t an “inside the Beltway” kind of guy.

We simply cannot allow that to happen.

Even Chris Matthews gushes over Kasich…whether that matters or not. It is just an example of how some see him as a legit, non-nutty politician.

256 Dark_Falcon  May 31, 2015 8:48:44am

re: #247 Romantic Heretic

It’s what happens to every movement that tries to expand rights and freedom. Before too long some people involved in it lose the ability to discern between support for the opposing side and differences of opinion.

Humans tend to be uncomfortable with thought and so many reduce everything to black and white, good and evil. At which point the old Taoist proverb, “What you resist, you become,” takes effect.

Laura Kipnis is a rare case that has Jezebel, The Nation, and National Review all on the same side. It’s become the case of a group of students who will brook no disagreement with them.

And for those inclined to bring up what I wrote about that Berkley Group ‘Canary Mission’, I will note that there is a difference between saying someone should be confronted about the cause they support and saying a person should be disciplined or fired for same. I support the former, but I oppose the latter. I don’t believe the views one has on Israel or Feminism should be grounds for termination or employer discipline (excepting only those views that are truly outside the bounds of decency, an example of which would be someone advocating the abuse of women or ethnic cleansing).

257 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 8:49:00am

Man am I glad that we in Virginia dodged the Cuccinnelli train. One of the few times I’m glad we have our gubertorial elections in odd years since I feel fairly certain that he would have won if Cuccinneli ran in the 2014 electorate environment.

258 Dark_Falcon  May 31, 2015 8:51:45am

re: #251 ObserverArt

You are baffling. I would think Kasich is right up your alley. He is a GOPer that offers a chance that I don’t think even Walker can muster.

I bet you’d vote for him against Hillary!

(Notice…I did not add ‘wouldn’t you?’ to the last line. I didn’t want to put you in an obvious trap thinking you’d have to actually answer it)

My dislike of John Kasich is not over policy, its personal and about aesthetics. But would I vote for him over Hillary Clinton? Yes, absolutely.

259 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 8:53:28am
260 Feline Fearless Leader  May 31, 2015 8:53:30am

re: #258 Dark_Falcon

My dislike of John Kasich is not over policy, its personal and about aesthetics. But would I vote for him over Hillary Clinton? Yes, absolutely.

Then again you’re going to vote for whoever gets the GOP label on the ballot over Hillary anyways.

261 ObserverArt  May 31, 2015 8:54:23am

re: #254 HappyWarrior

It’s a strange world where John Kasich is a supposed moderate. But then again I was saying this about Jon “Abolish the EPA” Huntsman too. Moderate is but in the eyes of the beholder or something like that.

I get the feeling you really haven’t got a bearing on Kasich. If you see Walker as the guy the GOP would go with, all I can say is what I’ve been saying.

I think Kasich can out Walker Walker on the same things you think Walker adds. And I can almost guarantee you in the debates Kasich will cut and dice Walker into fine pieces. He is much quicker on his feet than Walker, he is too smart not to say dumb stuff even if he believes it or knows it is political expedient and he has as much if not more meaty accomplishments than Walker. He already is established with the GOP rank and file types. He was a big part of the balanced budgets under Clinton and believe me he will ride on that aspect big time.

And with that…see you all later.

262 Lidane  May 31, 2015 8:54:25am

Speaking of the GOP, it looks as if the Murdoch narrative has been set re: Rand Paul —

Between the WSJ going after Rand for his comments about the GOP hawks creating ISIS and this continued talking point on Fox, Rand is toast in the primaries. He might as well give up now and go back to Kentucky to focus on his Senate re-election.

Paultards are predictably losing their minds this morning. It’s amusing.

263 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 8:55:50am

re: #261 ObserverArt

I get the feeling you really haven’t got a bearing on Kasich. If you see Walker as the guy the GOP would go with, all I can say is what I’ve been saying.

I think Kasich can out Walker Walker on the same things you think Walker adds. And I can almost guarantee you in the debates Kasich will cut and dice Walker into fine pieces. He is much quicker on his feet than Walker, he is too smart not to say dumb stuff even if he believes it or knows it is political expedient and he has as much if not more meaty accomplishments than Walker. He already is established with the GOP rank and file types. He was a big part of the balanced budgets under Clinton and believe me he will ride on that aspect big time.

And with that…see you all later.

You’re right. I’m not that familiar with him and I do defer to you as an Ohioan here. You make a good point about his role in the 90’s Congress too.

264 darthstar  May 31, 2015 8:56:09am

re: #258 Dark_Falcon

My dislike of John Kasich is not over policy, its personal and about aesthetics. But would I vote for him over Hillary Clinton? Yes, absolutely.

You’d vote for Ted Cruz over Hillary Clinton.
You’d vote for Marco Rubio over Hillary Clinton.
You’d vote for Carly Fiorina over Hillary Clinton.
You’d vote for Rick Santorum over Hillary Clinton.
You’d vote for Lindsey Graham over Hillary Clinton.
You’d vote for Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton.
You’d vote for Mike Huckabee over Hillary Clinton.

Sorry DF, but as you’ve made clear, I could replace “Hillary Clinton” with “Barack Obama” and the result would be the same. Please see cat picture upthread.

265 ObserverArt  May 31, 2015 8:56:44am

re: #258 Dark_Falcon

My dislike of John Kasich is not over policy, its personal and about aesthetics. But would I vote for him over Hillary Clinton? Yes, absolutely.

There’s the Dark we’ve all come to know…

: )

266 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 8:57:18am

re: #262 Lidane

Speaking of the GOP, it looks as if the Murdoch narrative has been set re: Rand Paul —

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Between the WSJ going after Rand for his comments about the GOP hawks creating ISIS and this continued talking point on Fox, Rand is toast in the primaries. He might as well give up now and go back to Kentucky to focus on his Senate re-election.

Paultards are predictably losing their minds this morning. It’s amusing.

I’ve always found that Rand’s undoing will not be his reactionary views on economics and civil rights but how he flirts with both old style Taftian views on foreign policy and hawkishness. The hawks understandably don’t trust him and the hawks have much more sway in the GOP than the Taftians have.

267 Dark_Falcon  May 31, 2015 9:00:12am

re: #264 darthstar

You’d vote for Ted Cruz over Hillary Clinton.
You’d vote for Marco Rubio over Hillary Clinton.
You’d vote for Carly Fiorina over Hillary Clinton.
You’d vote for Rick Santorum over Hillary Clinton.
You’d vote for Lindsey Graham over Hillary Clinton.
You’d vote for Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton.
You’d vote for Mike Huckabee over Hillary Clinton.

Sorry DF, but as you’ve made clear, I could replace “Hillary Clinton” with “Barack Obama” and the result would be the same. Please see cat picture upthread.

No, those last two I’d never vote for. I might not vote for Cruz either.

268 darthstar  May 31, 2015 9:00:18am

Somebody else DF would vote for.

269 Nyet  May 31, 2015 9:02:18am

re: #256 Dark_Falcon

And for those inclined to bring up what I wrote about that Berkley Group ‘Canary Mission’, I will note that there is a difference between saying someone should be confronted about the cause they support and saying a person should be disciplined or fired for same. I support the former, but I oppose the latter. I don’t believe the views one has on Israel or Feminism should be grounds for termination or employer discipline (excepting only those views that are truly outside the bounds of decency, an example of which would be someone advocating the abuse of women or ethnic cleansing).

So you would have no problem with some local lefty anonymous group making a site “They are members of the racist GOP” and having your name on it?

270 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 9:02:43am

What I’m curious is who the big wigs are considering for VP. A lot of people think O’Malley is positioning himself to be Clinton’s running mate and maybe but O’Malley really doesn’t help Clinton with an area of weakness like Biden did with white working class voters and Maryland’s going to Hillary regardless of what happens so it’s not like O’Malley adds a region. I really would like and I’ve said it before Hlilary if she’s the nominee to take a serious look at Julian Castro. He’s got executive experience being mayor of a major city- San Antonio’s got more people than Sarah Palin’s Alaska and Julian was mayor much longer than she was governor and presently he is the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development so he’s got some understanding of how Washington works now too. Plus he’s young, energetic, and I think would really help Hillary with younger and Hispanic voters though she already is popular with them. No idea who the R’s are considering. I expect the worst with them after Cheney, Palin, and Ryan since they seem hellbent on picking reactionaries.

271 darthstar  May 31, 2015 9:03:27am

re: #267 Dark_Falcon

No, those last two I’d never vote for. I might not vote for Cruz either.

You’d vote for Santorum but not Huckabee? Santorum was the Duggar-darling in 2012. Now they stand behind Huckabee(not too close though…obviously).

272 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 9:03:31am

re: #267 Dark_Falcon

No, those last two I’d never vote for. I might not vote for Cruz either.

I thought you said Cruz was an absolute no go earlier. And Santorum really? I thought you actually cared about gay citizens and women being respected?

273 darthstar  May 31, 2015 9:04:06am

re: #272 HappyWarrior

I thought you said Cruz was an absolute no go earlier.

That was before he ticked up in the polls.

274 Dark_Falcon  May 31, 2015 9:05:49am

re: #271 darthstar

I haven’t said much about Santorum because I don’t see him winning.

275 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 9:06:25am

Not going to get into a big discussion on this since I gotta get ready for a baseball game soon but seriously DF- Santorum and maybe Cruz? I get that you’re conservative so I can see Rubio, Walker, Graham, and even Fiorina who has never run a political office before but those two yikes.

276 darthstar  May 31, 2015 9:07:47am

re: #274 Dark_Falcon

I haven’t said much about Santorum because I don’t see him winning.

So you’ll just keep your fingers crossed and hope a non-batshit-crazy Republican rises to the top of the cesspool like a gas-filled turd. Now THAT’S a candidate I can vote for!

277 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 9:08:30am

re: #274 Dark_Falcon

I haven’t said much about Santorum because I don’t see him winning.

Yet he was Mitt’s biggest challenge in 2012. if you’re going to say you’d hypothetically vote for him. I’m honestly curious why. The man’s a rampant homophobe and sexist, thinks that wanting higher education for all children is “snobbery”, and attacked community colleges. And I could go on and on. I get that you think Santorum’s a “decent man” and he may well be a loving father and husband but he’s a total shithead to everyone else.

278 darthstar  May 31, 2015 9:09:12am

It’s okay, DF. I find your party before country loyalty disturbingly charming. As you were.

279 darthstar  May 31, 2015 9:10:22am

re: #277 HappyWarrior

Yet he was Mitt’s biggest challenge in 2012. if you’re going to say you’d hypothetically vote for him. I’m honestly curious why. The man’s a rampant homophobe and sexist, thinks that wanting higher education for all children is “snobbery”, and attacked community colleges. And I could go on and on. I get that you think Santorum’s a “decent man” and he may well be a loving father and husband but he’s a total shithead to everyone else.

You say this like it’s a bad thing.

280 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 9:11:41am

re: #277 HappyWarrior

Yet he was Mitt’s biggest challenge in 2012. if you’re going to say you’d hypothetically vote for him. I’m honestly curious why. The man’s a rampant homophobe and sexist, thinks that wanting higher education for all children is “snobbery”, and attacked community colleges. And I could go on and on. I get that you think Santorum’s a “decent man” and he may well be a loving father and husband but he’s a total shithead to everyone else.

Which is why I said what I said about Walker.

There’s such an anti-intellectual bias in this country, it can only get worse under any Republican, esp Walker, if you look at his record as gov.

281 darthstar  May 31, 2015 9:11:51am
282 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 9:12:15am

re: #279 darthstar

You say this like it’s a bad thing.

Ha, seriously I’m honestly curious to why Santorum is okay but Huckabee and Trump aren’t. They have a lot more in common than they do not and DF I’ve seen you condemn anti-gay bigotry on here before and hats off to that but you kind of come off insincere if you’re just going to vote for these guys anyohw. I get that you’re not a single issue voter thus opposition to LGBT rights may not bother you as much but it just as I said rings insincere.

283 Feline Fearless Leader  May 31, 2015 9:12:45am

re: #281 darthstar

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You don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

284 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 9:13:25am

re: #280 Justanotherhuman

Which is why I said what I said about Walker.

There’s such an anti-intellectual bias in this country, it can only get worse under any Republican, esp Walker, if you look at his record as gov.

Yet here’s Santorum who pretty much did check list of accomplishments of what to get in higher education. He’s got a MBA and JD and yet Frothy still shits on higher education.

285 Lidane  May 31, 2015 9:14:06am

re: #270 HappyWarrior

I really would like and I’ve said it before Hlilary if she’s the nominee to take a serious look at Julian Castro.

I’m convinced this is the long-term plan.

Castro gave the 2012 DNC keynote speech. Democrats tend to give their keynote to someone they think will be a rising star in the party (Ann Richards in 1988, Barack Obama in 2004, Mark Warner in 2008, etc.) and it’s a springboard for their futures. After the 2012 election, Julian started doing more and more public things. He was active on Twitter and in social media highlighting accomplishments in San Antonio, he was taking photos and having PR events with other rising Democratic stars and party establishment types, etc. They were clearly grooming him for higher office. My assumption is that they wanted him to run for governor here in Texas in 2014, but we saw how that turned out with the Wendy Davis candidacy.

It’s no accident that once the Texas Democrats nominated Wendy Davis for governor, that Julian Castro was suddenly resigning his mayorship to accept a Cabinet post in DC. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him either positioned as Hillary’s VP or as a future candidate for higher office here in Texas.

286 Feline Fearless Leader  May 31, 2015 9:14:36am

re: #284 HappyWarrior

Yet here’s Santorum who pretty much did check list of accomplishments of what to get in higher education. He’s got a MBA and JD and yet Frothy still shits on higher education.

I guess it’s important to him that the *right* people get that higher education. Bootstrappers need not apply.

287 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 9:15:37am

re: #284 HappyWarrior

Yet here’s Santorum who pretty much did check list of accomplishments of what to get in higher education. He’s got a MBA and JD and yet Frothy still shits on higher education.

It all ties in to “business as usual” and the Republican efforts to totally dismantle and privatize all public schooling. Not to mention other social safety net programs.

288 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 9:15:55am

re: #286 Feline Fearless Leader

I guess it’s important to him that the *right* people get that higher education. Bootstrappers need not apply.

Yeah. I am still amused that he called the presidents words snobbery though. Uh Rick, it was the total opposite of snobbery for the president to suggest that every child should have some form of higher education. Jon Stewart’s take on it was funny. I forget what he said but he used the snooty voice he sometimes uses.

289 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 9:16:45am

re: #287 Justanotherhuman

It all ties in to “business as usual” and the Republican efforts to totally dismantle and privatize all public schooling. Not to mention other social safety net programs.

Right but as I said Frothy himself has his BA, MBA, and JD all from public institutions. I agree that mass privatization is the end goal but it’s just funny to see a man who has so explictly benefited from public education shit on it with such force.

290 darthstar  May 31, 2015 9:17:05am

This is why I’m waiting for Titanium blades before I buy a drone.

291 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 9:18:09am

re: #285 Lidane

I’m convinced this is the long-term plan.

Castro gave the 2012 DNC keynote speech. Democrats tend to give their keynote to someone they think will be a rising star in the party (Ann Richards in 1988, Barack Obama in 2004, Mark Warner in 2008, etc.) and it’s a springboard for their futures. After the 2012 election, Julian started doing more and more public things. He was active on Twitter and in social media highlighting accomplishments in San Antonio, he was taking photos and having PR events with other rising Democratic stars and party establishment types, etc. They were clearly grooming him for higher office. My assumption is that they wanted him to run for governor here in Texas in 2014, but we saw how that turned out with the Wendy Davis candidacy.

It’s no accident that once the Texas Democrats nominated Wendy Davis for governor, that Julian Castro was suddenly resigning his mayorship to accept a Cabinet post in DC. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him either positioned as Hillary’s VP or as a future candidate for higher office here in Texas.

I think you’re right. They got high hopes for him in the future and the DNC spot was no consequence. I’d be honestly curious to see who they have in mind for the 2016 keynote but man that is so far away. Davis running instead ended up being a saving grace for Julian I think. 2014 ended up being a very Republican year and I don’t think he would have beat Abbott. Didn’t Clinton also give a big speech in ‘88 too on that subject?

292 BigPapa  May 31, 2015 9:18:37am

I’d vote for Hillary way before any of those whacked out theocrats.

293 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 9:19:52am

re: #289 HappyWarrior

Right but as I said Frothy himself has his BA, MBA, and JD all from public institutions. I agree that mass privatization is the end goal but it’s just funny to see a man who has so explictly benefited from public education shit on it with such force.

Because all the Rs are really hypocritical about it. Part of the “I’ve got mine, fuck the rest of you.”

294 Dr. Matt  May 31, 2015 9:20:16am
295 Dark_Falcon  May 31, 2015 9:21:00am

re: #282 HappyWarrior

I’m not a fan of Rick Santorum, and I’d not vote for him in the primary. But if, against all my hopes he was the general election candidate, would I vote for him?

Answer: If it wasn’t close, no. But if it was close, maybe. I would not want to vote for him, but he was an effective senator and I think he’s level-headed in a way Ted Cruz is not. I don’t agree with him on social matters, but I do think on matters economic and foreign he’d be solid. I’d really have to think and yes, pray, about a vote between H.R. Clinton and R. Santorum. i really hope it doesn’t come to that.

296 Decatur Deb  May 31, 2015 9:22:28am

re: #295 Dark_Falcon

I’m not a fan of Rick Santorum, and I’d not vote for him in the primary. But if, against all my hopes he was the general election candidate, would I vote for him?

Answer: If it wasn’t close, no. But if it was close, maybe. I would not want to vote for him, but he was an effective senator and I think he’s level-headed in a way Ted Cruz is not. I don’t agree with him on social matters, but I do think on matters economic and foreign he’d be solid. I’d really have to think and yes, pray, about a vote between H.R. Clinton and R. Santorum. i really hope it doesn’t come to that.

I do.

297 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  May 31, 2015 9:22:36am

re: #295 Dark_Falcon

If it wasn’t close, no. But if it was close, maybe.

dafuq?

298 darthstar  May 31, 2015 9:23:05am
299 darthstar  May 31, 2015 9:23:56am

re: #297 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

dafuq?

Party before country. Party before planet.

300 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 9:24:13am

re: #295 Dark_Falcon

I’m not a fan of Rick Santorum, and I’d not vote for him in the primary. But if, against all my hopes he was the general election candidate, would I vote for him?

Answer: If it wasn’t close, no. But if it was close, maybe. I would not want to vote for him, but he was an effective senator and I think he’s level-headed in a way Ted Cruz is not. I don’t agree with him on social matters, but I do think on matters economic and foreign he’d be solid. I’d really have to think and yes, pray, about a vote between H.R. Clinton and R. Santorum. i really hope it doesn’t come to that.

That just astounds me. I’m sorry. It just does. And I have to laugh if you think he’s level headed in a way Cruz is not since I’ve pointed out to you the ways he certainly is not. A level headed man does not equate sex between consenting adults to bestiality, a level headed man does not call wanting higher education for all children snobbery, etc. I just don’t know how you could overlook the fact he’s a social reactionary and even consider a vote for him.

301 darthstar  May 31, 2015 9:25:07am

re: #296 Decatur Deb

I do.

I’d love to see Santorum get the nomination. There will be Santorum for President condoms everywhere.

302 jamesfirecat  May 31, 2015 9:25:08am

re: #297 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

dafuq?

Dark wants it to be a blow out one way or another so he can keep his hands clean and not want to have to make the hard choice where his vote might actually matter, if it’s going to be a blowout he can just shrug and say “what you gonna do it’s not like my vote would have made a difference.”

DF I’m sorry if I am putting words in your mouth but this is how I read your “if it was close I would vote” stance. Please correct me if I am wrong.

303 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 9:25:22am

re: #296 Decatur Deb

I do.

Jeb Bush or Scott Walker will be sounding like him anyhow on social issues by then so we may as well be having Santorum for dinner in 2016.

304 darthstar  May 31, 2015 9:26:24am

Remember, we’re talking about a guy who brought a dead fetus home for the rest of his kids to spend a day with before it went into the ground.

305 Decatur Deb  May 31, 2015 9:27:17am

re: #303 HappyWarrior

Jeb Bush or Scott Walker will be sounding like him anyhow on social issues by then so we may as well be having Santorum for dinner in 2016.

Yes, but Jeb would be faking a dorkgasm. Walker is already nastier.

306 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 9:27:44am

I just don’t get how someone can rightfully condemn homophobia and sexism and yet still go “I’ll consider a vote for him anyhow because he’s my way on economics and foreign policy.” Agh, I’m sorry, I mean if there were hypothetically a Democratic candidate that shared my views on economics and FP but he was staunchly anti-choice, anti LGBT rights, etc, I wouldn’t even consider a vote for him. That’s just me of course.

307 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 9:28:21am

re: #305 Decatur Deb

Yes, but Jeb would be faking a dorkgasm. Walker is already nastier.

Ha I guess my point DD is that he’s pretty much going to be voting for the Santorum view of social issues anyhow in 2016.

308 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 9:30:33am

re: #304 darthstar

Remember, we’re talking about a guy who brought a dead fetus home for the rest of his kids to spend a day with before it went into the ground.

Yeah I mean I know everyone mourns differently but he probably traumatized his kids doing that. And it’s not the action of a level headed individual.

309 Dark_Falcon  May 31, 2015 9:31:08am

re: #302 jamesfirecat

Dark wants it to be a blow out one way or another so he can keep his hands clean and not want to have to make the hard choice where his vote might actually matter, if it’s going to be a blowout he can just shrug and say “what you gonna do it’s not like my vote would have made a difference.”

DF I’m sorry if I am putting words in your mouth but this is how I read your “if it was close I would vote” stance. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Only if if it was someone who has views that really bother, to clarify. But otherwise, you’re right. If voted for Santorum and you knew I’d done so, you’d all be angry with me. If I voted for Clinton and my dad and best friend knew I’d done so, they’d be angry. So it’d be lose-lose either way.

310 darthstar  May 31, 2015 9:31:11am
311 darthstar  May 31, 2015 9:34:40am

re: #309 Dark_Falcon

Only if if it was someone who has views that really bother, to clarify. But otherwise, you’re right. If voted for Santorum and you knew I’d done so, you’d all be angry with me. If I voted for Clinton and my dad and best friend knew I’d done so, they’d be angry. So it’d be lose-lose either way.

You do know the ballot box is a private place, right? And never vote for Daddy’s approval. He’ll just think you’re weak and not your own man.

312 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 9:35:00am

re: #309 Dark_Falcon

So, the prospect of “losing” with someone you know or love informs your vote? What kind of principled decision is that?

My entire family disagreed with my politics, and that never dissuaded me from voting for the person I thought aligned more with my own politics.

313 bratwurst  May 31, 2015 9:35:53am

re: #309 Dark_Falcon

If voted for Santorum and you knew I’d done so, you’d all be angry with me. If I voted for Clinton and my dad and best friend knew I’d done so, they’d be angry. So it’d be lose-lose either way.

I can honestly say that my relationships online and off have absolutely positively ZERO to do with my decisions about who I do and don’t vote for.

314 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 9:37:52am

re: #309 Dark_Falcon

Only if if it was someone who has views that really bother, to clarify. But otherwise, you’re right. If voted for Santorum and you knew I’d done so, you’d all be angry with me. If I voted for Clinton and my dad and best friend knew I’d done so, they’d be angry. So it’d be lose-lose either way.

You shouldn’t be voting or not voting for people based on what people think of you. If you really think Santorum’s or really any of these guys views on economics and FP offset his so-con craziness, then I guess that’s your choice in the end. I am just astonished that you can see clear as day that Santorum does not value women and LGBT people’s rights and would still consider a vote for him.

315 BeachDem  May 31, 2015 9:38:46am

re: #267 Dark_Falcon

No, those last two I’d never vote for. I might not vote for Cruz either.

Wait—you would really vote for Carly Fiorina (for anything)?

316 jamesfirecat  May 31, 2015 9:43:38am

re: #309 Dark_Falcon

Only if if it was someone who has views that really bother, to clarify. But otherwise, you’re right. If voted for Santorum and you knew I’d done so, you’d all be angry with me. If I voted for Clinton and my dad and best friend knew I’d done so, they’d be angry. So it’d be lose-lose either way.

Here’s the good news, I’m pretty sure right now that your vote doesn’t matter

You live in Illinois right?

I have to go back to Regan to find a time when the GOP was able to win that state, every other time they’ve come in at around 44% of the vote give or take.

Welcome to the wonders of electoral college, and I speak as someone living in Maryland, my vote is never EVER going to matter is an Presidential election.

But really do try and think about why you vote for someone, doing it just to be “in” with your family is a horrible reason, I’d honestly support voting your conscience and then lying to them/us over doing that.

317 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 9:48:03am

I find myself thinking like the immigrant juror in 12 Angry Men telling Jack Warden to vote guilty or not guilty because he really feels that way. I mean we don’t vote for approval of our peers. We vote for who we think will be better for our country and I guess it just amazes me and I hate to come off as ganging up on him that DF would vote for the Republican simply because he fears his dad and friend will be angry at him if he didn’t. Your father chose to be a Republican and I will concede you chose too but we aren’t forced to stay with these parties. Your party’s own icon Reagan left the Democratic Party when he felt its principles no longer resembled his. Hillary Clinton did the same with the Republican Party. If you really feel Santorum would be better for this country than Clinton then that saddens me more than angers me.

318 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 9:48:47am
319 blueraven  May 31, 2015 9:49:23am

I’m afraid John Kerry’s bike accident will jeopardize the Iran Nuclear Agreement. I mean he is over 70. Breaking a femur will take a while to heal and I imagine he is in quite a bit of pain.

There may need to be an extension, and if so, that will spur republicans to balk even more than they are now.

320 jaunte  May 31, 2015 9:49:44am
321 Dark_Falcon  May 31, 2015 9:51:00am

re: #315 BeachDem

Wait—you would really vote for Carly Fiorina (for anything)?

She has no problematic social views and she aligns better with my own views than Clinton. So yes, I’d vote for her.

322 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 9:52:28am

re: #320 jaunte

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Dicks

323 stpaulbear  May 31, 2015 9:53:19am

O_o

324 jaunte  May 31, 2015 9:53:42am

re: #322 HappyWarrior

Of course it would be someone with an Eagle/Rattlesnake/Electric guitar/”Come Get Some” theme.

325 Dark_Falcon  May 31, 2015 9:54:17am

re: #320 jaunte

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326 Decatur Deb  May 31, 2015 9:54:28am

If LGF played with this a couple weeks ago, I missed it. RWNJs in Alabama have bought in to an RT/Pravda report of an Israeli nuke attack on Yemen.

(Google: Yemen nuke.)

327 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 9:57:44am

re: #326 Decatur Deb

If LGF played with this a couple weeks ago, I missed it. RWNJs in Alabama have bought in to an RT/Pravda report of an Israeli nuke attack on Yemen.

(Google: Yemen nuke.)

Google won’t let me have it.

328 jaunte  May 31, 2015 9:58:20am

re: #326 Decatur Deb

If LGF played with this a couple weeks ago, I missed it. RWNJs in Alabama have bought in to an RT/Pravda report of an Israeli nuke attack on Yemen.

(Google: Yemen nuke.)

A rich vein of crazy.

329 Decatur Deb  May 31, 2015 9:59:00am

re: #327 Justanotherhuman

Google won’t let me have it.

??

google.com

330 BeachDem  May 31, 2015 9:59:01am

re: #321 Dark_Falcon

She has no problematic social views and she aligns better with my own views than Clinton. So yes, I’d vote for her.

The fact that she has a terrible record in the corporate world and zero political experience doesn’t bother you at all?

331 Dark_Falcon  May 31, 2015 9:59:22am

re: #324 jaunte

Of course it would be someone with an Eagle/Rattlesnake/Electric guitar/”Come Get Some” theme.

And he’s got some shitty friends:

332 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 9:59:37am

re: #329 Decatur Deb

Ha, the link worked, but not when I typed it in myself.

333 Decatur Deb  May 31, 2015 10:00:00am

re: #328 jaunte

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A rich vein of crazy.

Lots of variation. One theme has IDF jets in Saudi paint.

334 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 10:00:40am

Another crane collapse in Manhattan.

335 jaunte  May 31, 2015 10:01:17am

re: #331 Dark_Falcon

It’s remarkable how they can spend years feeding one another’s fear addictions, and then when nothing happens, just go on as if they were never concerned.

336 Dark_Falcon  May 31, 2015 10:02:13am
337 De Kolta Chair  May 31, 2015 10:02:37am

re: #290 darthstar

This is why I’m waiting for Titanium blades before I buy a drone.

Finally, a reason to see the Ice Capades.

338 jamesfirecat  May 31, 2015 10:06:37am

re: #336 Dark_Falcon

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Is this 2015 or 2004? Stop the world I want to get off!

339 Dark_Falcon  May 31, 2015 10:07:06am

That Yemen DERP-load makes no sense, even for conspiracy mongers. Why would Saudi Arabia do something that would ensure Iranian retaliation? Iran has ballistic missiles and now land-attack cruise missiles. The use of those wouls seriously damage the Saudi oil industry, if not take it offline entirely. Why would King Salman risk that?

340 CleverToad  May 31, 2015 10:08:14am

re: #309 Dark_Falcon

Don’t like to pile on, DF, and others have said much the same. But there are three points in the decision, not two — it’s not just the lizards vs. your dad & friends. Think about it for the year and more, and see who’s running. And know that if you walk into the ballot box for any election and choose the candidate who you truly feel will give the best outcome for the most number of citizens in the country/state/city that they’re being elected to serve, YOU haven’t lost. You’ve done your best as an adult and as a citizen. If you vote based on fear of someone’s disapproval, there’s no way you can win.

341 Great White Snark  May 31, 2015 10:12:43am

re: #326 Decatur Deb

If LGF played with this a couple weeks ago, I missed it. RWNJs in Alabama have bought in to an RT/Pravda report of an Israeli nuke attack on Yemen.

(Google: Yemen nuke.)

I guess all those University physics departments missed the massive neutron spike….

///

342 De Kolta Chair  May 31, 2015 10:15:34am

Missing from the press coverage of that anti-Muslim bigotfest in Phoenix the other day was any mention of the winner of the cartoon contest, and whether they used Crayola brand crayons or a cheap knock-off.

R.I.P. retired Crayola colors, especially green blue.
343 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 10:15:50am

I don’t see why he can’t continue his duties once a cast is in place.

Statement from State Department on John Kerry’s injury: ‘Secretary Kerry broke his right femur in a bicycling accident this morning in Scionzier, France. Given the injury is near the site of his prior hip surgery, he will return to Boston today to seek treatment at Massachusetts General Hospital with his doctor who did the prior surgery. The Secretary is stable and never lost consciousness, his injury is not life-threatening, and he is expected to make a full recovery’

facebook.com

344 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 10:16:25am

re: #342 De Kolta Chair

Missing from the press coverage of that anti-Muslim bigotfest in Phoenix the other day is any mention of the winner of the cartoon contest, and whether they used Crayola crayons or a cheap knock-off.

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They retired Thistle?

Damn.

345 Decatur Deb  May 31, 2015 10:21:39am

re: #344 Justanotherhuman

They retired Thistle?

Damn.

Thistle was purple-ish? We could only afford B&W crayons back in my day.

346 Dark_Falcon  May 31, 2015 10:23:13am

re: #342 De Kolta Chair

Missing from the press coverage of that anti-Muslim bigotfest in Phoenix the other day was any mention of the winner of the cartoon contest, and whether they used Crayola brand crayons or a cheap knock-off.

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I liked violet blue myself.

347 De Kolta Chair  May 31, 2015 10:25:42am

re: #346 Dark_Falcon

I liked violet blue myself.

I don’t remember there being a magic mint, but I like the name.

348 Dark_Falcon  May 31, 2015 10:26:17am

re: #343 Justanotherhuman

I don’t see why he can’t continue his duties once a cast is in place.

Statement from State Department on John Kerry’s injury: ‘Secretary Kerry broke his right femur in a bicycling accident this morning in Scionzier, France. Given the injury is near the site of his prior hip surgery, he will return to Boston today to seek treatment at Massachusetts General Hospital with his doctor who did the prior surgery. The Secretary is stable and never lost consciousness, his injury is not life-threatening, and he is expected to make a full recovery’

facebook.com

it’s surgery, and near the site of a prior operation, he’ll likely be out for a few weeks. but if Kerry’s on the DL, then Obama’s needs to be looking at who he’s going to bring up from AAA to replace him.

/Baseball humor.

349 Dark_Falcon  May 31, 2015 10:26:49am

re: #347 De Kolta Chair

I don’t remember there being a magic mint, but I like the name.

I don’t remember it either, but I like the name and shade of green.

350 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 10:27:19am

re: #345 Decatur Deb

Thistle was purple-ish? We could only afford B&W crayons back in my day.

More like a light mauve. : )

google.com.

351 Varek Raith  May 31, 2015 10:48:21am

re: #345 Decatur Deb

Thistle was purple-ish? We could only afford B&W crayons back in my day.

…
Gramps is telling stories again.
:P

352 Decatur Deb  May 31, 2015 10:51:57am

re: #351 Varek Raith

…
Gramps is telling stories again.
:P

The grand-daughters just stopped through from their trip to the beach, to clean the shells they had collected. They’ve gone, and I’m left trying to find Purina Hermit Crab Chow.

353 bratwurst  May 31, 2015 10:55:43am
354 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 31, 2015 10:59:20am

re: #342 De Kolta Chair

Missing from the press coverage of that anti-Muslim bigotfest in Phoenix the other day is any mention of the winner of the cartoon contest, and whether they used Crayola brand crayons or a cheap knock-off.

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I think I remember “thistle” from the olden days, but all those compound names must be after my time. I do remember “raw umber” though—I don’t know why they’d discontinue that. And no “Breen”? I remember when Kelly Bundy invented that.

355 Eventual Carrion  May 31, 2015 10:59:33am

re: #353 bratwurst

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Because who would be worried about nuts with guns at a “protest”?

356 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 31, 2015 11:02:37am

re: #353 bratwurst

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The right-wingers are soooo fucking scared of “terrorism”—well there it is. As long as it’s cold-blooded murder by Bill O’Reilly and Rupert Murdoch it’s hunky-dory.

357 De Kolta Chair  May 31, 2015 11:12:08am

re: #354 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I think I remember “thistle” from the olden days, but all those compound names must be after my time. I do remember “raw umber” though—I don’t know why they’d discontinue that. And no “Breen”? I remember when Kelly Bundy invented that.

Raw umber was one of my faves too. Made no sense they dropped it.

358 De Kolta Chair  May 31, 2015 11:19:02am
The crayons my wife uses for her abstract drawings are a bit more expensive than Crayola’s.
359 Higgs Boson's Mate  May 31, 2015 11:28:22am

re: #358 De Kolta Chair

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Ya’ done gone and spoilt that woman. Next thing you know she’ll be getting Ideas. I

360 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 11:32:02am

re: #354 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

And they still have “yellow green”.

That always reminded me of baby shit.

361 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 31, 2015 11:34:50am

re: #360 Justanotherhuman

And they still have “yellow green”.

That always reminded me of baby shit.

Century 21 Jacket, you mean?

362 darthstar  May 31, 2015 11:36:47am

re: #319 blueraven

I’m afraid John Kerry’s bike accident will jeopardize the Iran Nuclear Agreement. I mean he is over 70. Breaking a femur will take a while to heal and I imagine he is in quite a bit of pain.

There may need to be an extension, and if so, that will spur republicans to balk even more than they are now.

Was it a femur? I was hoping for tib-fib. Femur would explain the helicopter. Tight squeeze, getting a patient into a helicopter with a Sager splint(traction device) on a femur - sticks out a good foot below the bottom of the leg.

363 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 31, 2015 11:38:59am

re: #362 darthstar

Was it a femur? I was hoping for tib-fib. Femur would explain the helicopter. Tight squeeze, getting a patient into a helicopter with a Sager splint(traction device) on a femur - sticks out a good foot below the bottom of the leg.

Femur—up high, too. They said it was close to where his hip surgery was. That’s why they flew him back to Boston so the same doctor who did his surgery could deal with it. Hope he recovers quickly.

364 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 11:42:04am

re: #361 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Naw, those were some crappy shade of “gold”.

365 darthstar  May 31, 2015 11:42:14am

re: #363 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Femur—up high, too. They said it was close to where his hip surgery was. That’s why they flew him back to Boston so the same doctor who did his surgery could deal with it. Hope he recovers quickly.

He’ll be wearing a titanium hip & femur in a day or two. A week in the hospital, and then he’ll be flying back to Geneva to talk with the Iranians. Or he’ll be video-conferenced in with them. He wants to make this deal work, and I suspect he will.

366 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 31, 2015 11:46:45am

re: #364 Justanotherhuman

Naw, those were some crappy shade of “gold”.

We always called them “Baby-shit-yellow”. The color and the name “caca des infants” goes back to Louis XVI’s time.

The one I could never figure out was the line officers’ uniforms in the old Star Trek. Were they supposed to be baby-shit yellow or snot green like a marine uniform? I’d twiddle the hue on the TV, and making the uniforms baby-shit yellow seemed to make faces too red, but who knows?

367 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 11:47:17am

Atlanta

368 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 11:48:34am

re: #366 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

We always called them “Baby-shit-yellow”. The color and the name “caca des infants” goes back to Louis XVI’s time.

The one I could never figure out was the line officers’ uniforms in the old Star Trek. Were they supposed to be baby-shit yellow or snot green like a marine uniform? I’d twiddle the hue on the TV, and making the uniforms baby-shit yellow seemed to make faces too red, but who knows?

If you ever feed a baby strained peas, you’ll see what I mean. : )

369 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 31, 2015 11:50:13am

re: #368 Justanotherhuman

If you ever feed a baby strained peas, you’ll see what I mean. : )

Is that why I prefer yellow split peas to green for soup?

370 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 11:54:36am

Yuck. Our weather for the next week and beyond is thunderstorms, probability of thunderstorms, possibility of thunderstorms…mid 80s, lows 60s. Plenty of clouds the last few days and intermittent rain.

371 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 11:55:34am

re: #369 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Is that why I prefer yellow split peas to green for soup?

Lentils.

372 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 31, 2015 12:03:26pm

re: #371 Justanotherhuman

Lentils.

Never met a legume I didn’t like….

373 BeenHereAwhile  May 31, 2015 12:22:56pm

re: #283 Feline Fearless Leader

You don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

The pump won’t work cause the vandals stole the handle.

374 BeenHereAwhile  May 31, 2015 12:37:50pm

re: #356 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The right-wingers are soooo fucking scared of “terrorism”—well there it is. As long as it’s cold-blooded murder by Bill O’Reilly and Rupert Murdoch it’s hunky-dory.

William Gibson:

The fear leverage in the game of terrorism depends on faulty pattern recognition.

After all, terrorist acts are rare and tend to kill fewer people than, say, automobile accidents or drugs and alcohol.

375 palomino  May 31, 2015 1:14:15pm

re: #185 Dark_Falcon

I don’t agree. I think its fully appropriate to post info about the people behind ‘Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions’ initiatives and get the people around them to ask why they hate Israel and and provide political cover for terrorists. I realize that things can thereafter get nasty for the people targeted, but things are far rougher for Israelis subjected to rocket attacks or who’ve had some Palestinian asshole try to run them down because they’re Jews.

You’re essentially an authoritarian, as you want people punished for merely holding views you find unacceptable. Not for actions, just for expressing thoughts.

You think you believe in democracy, but you don’t. You would fit in very well as a dutiful functionary in a 1984/Animal Farm sort of world.

376 Tigger2  May 31, 2015 5:10:10pm

re: #258 Dark_Falcon

My dislike of John Kasich is not over policy, its personal and about aesthetics. But would I vote for him over Hillary Clinton? Yes, absolutely.

Just like I would vote for any Dem running even if he was on his last leg before I would vote for any Republican. But that’s because I really hate the Republicans policies.


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