Busted! National Review Crops and “Dirties” Photo From Austin Walmart, Claims It Shows “Venezuela”

Alleged pic of empty shelves in Venezuela is actually from a Wal-Mart in the US
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Get a load of this….

So Michelle Malkin in National Review did a piece on Bernie Sanders a few days ago, still whining about the underarm deodorant issue…

Ask Venezuelans How Sanders-Style Socialism Is Working Out for Them

Venezuela’s vibrant economy.

Wow, horrible pic of some lady in a store with empty shelves and disgustingly dirty too — along with a caption “Venezuela’s vibrant economy.”

So I did an image search and turned up this….

Defying the Laws of Physics at Walmart

Now it appears that this may be a Wal-Mart in Wisconsin (?), but it’s not clear from the story. But if you look at a larger version of the image, you can see the English signs in the background, so it’s clearly NOT from Venezuela.

Preparing for Hurricane Rita, Maria Chavez of Austin looks for a loaf of bread Thursday in the empty shelves of a Wal-Mart at Interstate 35 and Slaughter Lane. The store was sold out. (Credit: Jay Janner, Austin-American Statesman)

So whoever posted this story to National Review purposely cropped out the English signs and then applied a dirty filter to it — because we all know Hispanics are filthy people, right?

In an argument with a wingnut friend of mine, his response was “It’s clearly a stock photo.” ORLY? Even if true, why crop it, make it dirty, and label it as a sign of Venezuela’s economy?

So, bottom line, a scare story about empty shelves that will plague the U.S. if Sanders is elected used a picture from a Wal-Mart in the U.S. that had trouble keeping their shelves stocked.

UPDATE at 5/31/15 2:18:56 pm by Charles Johnson

LGF contributor Backwoods_Sleuth discovered the true origin of the photo, from a 2005 post at this blog: Fergie’s Tech Blog: Austin Hurricane Panic Insanity.

The photographer was Jay Janner from the Austin-American Statesman, and the photo shows a Walmart in Austin, Texas. The original caption from their front page:

“Preparing for Hurricane Rita, Maria Chavez of Austin looks for a loaf of bread Thursday in the empty shelves of a Wal-Mart at Interstate 35 and Slaughter Lane. The store was sold out.”

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568 comments
1 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 31, 2015 1:32:12pm

Well done, weave!

2 Nyet  May 31, 2015 1:34:21pm

The author of the photo is Jay Janner from Austin American-Statesman. It’s at least as old as 2007. Janner usually works in the US, so the photo almost certainly depicts an American store (likely in Texas).

Either NRO is infringing on Janner’s copyright, and he can sue them, or they know what the photo depicts and are lying.

3 Charles Johnson  May 31, 2015 1:35:21pm

I added the National Review’s altered version to your post, for comparison.

4 Charles Johnson  May 31, 2015 1:42:20pm

A Google Images search shows that this photo has been posted at hundreds of websites. But the “dirtied up” version is only found at National Review — so they almost certainly altered and cropped it themselves.

5 Charles Johnson  May 31, 2015 1:45:44pm

Promoted!

6 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 1:47:39pm

Excellent page, Weave!

Dirty, rotten NR bastards.

7 Nyet  May 31, 2015 1:48:25pm

Not sure it’s a Walmart (never been in one, so you guys know better), and it’s probably somewhere in Texas, since most of Janner’s photos seem to depict Texas.

8 Thanos  May 31, 2015 1:48:41pm

My guess is this is a pre storm photo, where people deplete stocks of things like water, bread, milk, flour and soups before winter storms, floods, and hurricanes. Katrina? Sandy? Boston Blizzards? *judging from the Febreze & water it’s more likely hurricane prep or flood prep than blizzard, and she’s on the bread aisle in a US store.*

9 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 1:49:41pm

Could that image have been a post-Katrina one?

10 Belafon  May 31, 2015 1:50:22pm

re: #7 Nyet

The Low Prices sign at the end of the aisle is from Walmart.

11 darthstar  May 31, 2015 1:50:41pm

I finally took the plunge and put a natural oil on the table I’ve been refinishing. This is going to look lovely in our dining room when it’s done.

12 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 31, 2015 1:52:02pm

re: #9 Justanotherhuman

Could that image have been a post-Katrina one?

That would be extra-ironic, wouldn’t it? “Ask Louisianans How Bush-Style Disaster Relief is Working Out for Them.”

13 stpaulbear  May 31, 2015 1:52:02pm

re: #8 Thanos

re: #9 Justanotherhuman

Last year Walmart was having trouble keeping their shelves stocked just due to the normal operating procedure of understaffing their stores. It was a big story for a while. I need to hunt for some links.

14 Thanos  May 31, 2015 1:52:22pm

re: #9 Justanotherhuman

I’m betting this is a photo from the recent Texas flooding.

15 Charles Johnson  May 31, 2015 1:53:33pm

re: #10 Belafon

The Low Prices sign at the end of the aisle is from Walmart.

Yup. Here’s a similar one:

16 Nyet  May 31, 2015 1:53:40pm

re: #14 Thanos

It’s at least as old as 2007.

17 Charles Johnson  May 31, 2015 1:54:38pm

re: #14 Thanos

I’m betting this is a photo from the recent Texas flooding.

Nope - it shows up on other websites as early as 2007.

18 jaunte  May 31, 2015 1:55:42pm
19 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 31, 2015 1:56:24pm

re: #13 stpaulbear

Last year Walmart was having trouble keeping their shelves stocked just due to the normal operating procedure of understaffing their stores. It was a big story for a while. I need to hunt for some links.

ILL EAGLES STOLED ALL THE THINGS!!11!!

20 jaunte  May 31, 2015 1:56:26pm
21 goddamnedfrank  May 31, 2015 1:57:04pm
22 Nyet  May 31, 2015 1:57:12pm

re: #18 jaunte

I’m pretty sure they called him a Stalinist, not a Nazi. Hence purges and gulags.

23 stpaulbear  May 31, 2015 1:57:44pm

re: #13 stpaulbear

Last year Walmart was having trouble keeping their shelves stocked just due to the normal operating procedure of understaffing their stores. It was a big story for a while. I need to hunt for some links.

Lots of stories at Google. This one is representative.

24 RadicalModerate  May 31, 2015 1:59:06pm

From having to go to Walmart during late-night due to a odd work schedule, I can tell you that empty bread shelves are a common occurrence on late Sunday nights before the weekly deliveries start to arrive. However, with all the bottled water she’s also buying, that would indicate probably some sort of weather event - hurricane landfall perhaps?

25 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 31, 2015 1:59:10pm

Here’s a link for the photo from September 22, 2005:

Caption, from the front page of the Austin American-Statesman:

“Preparing for Hurricane Rita, Maria Chavez of Austin looks for a loaf of bread Thursday in the empty shelves of a Wal-Mart at Interstate 35 and Slaughter Lane. The store was sold out.”

fergdawg.blogspot.com

26 Nyet  May 31, 2015 1:59:14pm

Concentration camps != Nazis.
GULAG was a bunch of Soviet concentration camps.

27 goddamnedfrank  May 31, 2015 1:59:28pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

Nope - it shows up on other websites as early as 2007.

Obama’s time machine rears it’s nefarious head yet again.

28 Nyet  May 31, 2015 1:59:30pm

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hurray!

29 Varek Raith  May 31, 2015 1:59:46pm

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

Here’s a link for the photo from September 22, 2005:

Caption, from the front page of the Austin American-Statesman:

“Preparing for Hurricane Rita, Maria Chavez of Austin looks for a loaf of bread Thursday in the empty shelves of a Wal-Mart at Interstate 35 and Slaughter Lane. The store was sold out.”

fergdawg.blogspot.com

Boom.

30 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 31, 2015 1:59:48pm

re: #28 Nyet

Hurray!

:D

31 jaunte  May 31, 2015 1:59:57pm

re: #22 Nyet

I’m pretty sure they called him a Stalinist, not a Nazi. Hence purges and gulags.

Remembering NRO is home to the author of
‘Liberal Fascism:”

“Contrary to what most people think, the Nazis were ardent socialists (hence the term “National socialism”). They believed in free health care and guaranteed jobs.”
amazon.com”

32 Thanos  May 31, 2015 1:59:58pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

Nope - it shows up on other websites as early as 2007.

Febreze makes me think South or gulf, so maybe Erin, that landed in Texas in August 2007.

33 Thanos  May 31, 2015 2:00:33pm

re: #29 Varek Raith

Boom.

Ding ding ding ding ding! We have a winner!

34 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 31, 2015 2:01:04pm

Whew, sure put my sleuth reputation to the test with that one.
:D

35 Nyet  May 31, 2015 2:01:10pm

re: #31 jaunte

Sure. They still didn’t call him a Nazi though.

36 goddamnedfrank  May 31, 2015 2:01:23pm

NRO’s studio art minions missed a classic opportunity to toss in some fast zombies.

37 Nyet  May 31, 2015 2:01:27pm

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

OK, do tell how you found it.

38 jaunte  May 31, 2015 2:01:37pm

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

Maria Chavez? Must be Venezuelan.

39 RadicalModerate  May 31, 2015 2:02:45pm

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

Here’s a link for the photo from September 22, 2005:

fergdawg.blogspot.com

Nice find.

Someone needs to contact the Austin American-Statesman to let them know that one of their photographs was used without attribution, and I would assume without permission.

40 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 31, 2015 2:03:12pm

re: #37 Nyet

OK, do tell how you found it.

Did a Google image search with the tags “empty shelves austin statesman”.
It shows up on the first page.

I had to tinker with the key words for a while, though.

41 Nyet  May 31, 2015 2:03:42pm
This is a very old and thoroughly discredited idea, one that dates back to Karl Marx and to the anti-capitalists who preceded him. It is a facet of the belief that free markets are irrational, and that if reason could be imposed on markets — which is to say, if reason could be imposed on free human beings — then enlightened planners could ensure that resources are directed toward their best use. This line of thinking historically has led to concentration camps, gulags, firing squads, purges, and the like, for a few reasons:

He talks specifically about commies.

Now, sure, those folks mix up their Nazis and commies all the time. But that doesn’t mean that while calling him a commie they also called him a Nazi.

42 Thanos  May 31, 2015 2:03:54pm

The original citation of the article’s and photo’s appearance would make for a good post update.

43 Nyet  May 31, 2015 2:04:13pm

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

You should get an LGF badge or something :D

44 Charles Johnson  May 31, 2015 2:04:52pm

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

Here’s a link for the photo from September 22, 2005:

fergdawg.blogspot.com

That’s it.

45 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 2:05:03pm

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yeah, I found a few “survivalist” and “prepper” sites that used the same photo for their dystopian fantasies.

46 goddamnedfrank  May 31, 2015 2:05:09pm

re: #26 Nyet

Concentration camps != Nazis.
GULAG was a bunch of Soviet concentration camps.

So were Manzanar and the rest of the West Coast US Japanese internment camps. Though obviously far less horrific in their treatment of their illegally held captives, they absolutely were concentration camps.

47 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 31, 2015 2:05:23pm

re: #43 Nyet

You should get an LGF badge or something :D

At any rate, now we have a timeframe to find the original post at the Statesman.
I’m too exhausted to do it now. :D

48 Nyet  May 31, 2015 2:07:39pm

re: #46 goddamnedfrank

Ayep. Also see: the Boer wars.

49 Charles Johnson  May 31, 2015 2:08:31pm

re: #47 Backwoods_Sleuth

At any rate, now we have a timeframe to find the original post at the Statesman.
I’m too exhausted to do it now. :D

It’s 10 years old - may not be available at the statesman.com site any more.

50 Nyet  May 31, 2015 2:08:50pm

re: #47 Backwoods_Sleuth

Collective work does wonders!

Onoz, am I a commienazi?

51 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 31, 2015 2:10:28pm

re: #48 Nyet

Ayep. Also see: the Boer wars.

Campos Renconcentrados were “invented” by General Maximiliano Weyler y Nicolau in Cuba. That’s where the British in South Africa got the idea.

52 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 2:11:02pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

And Katrina hit southern LA on 8/29/05. As we all remember, a lot of residents were displaced to TX, also.

A weakened Rita made landfall on Sabine Pass, Texas with winds of 120 mph (195 km/h) on September 24 which dissipated further over land.

53 weave  May 31, 2015 2:12:33pm

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

Here’s a link for the photo from September 22, 2005:

fergdawg.blogspot.com

Awesome work!

Can’t wait to update my Facebook ;-)

54 gwangung  May 31, 2015 2:12:54pm

re: #31 jaunte

Remembering NRO is home to the author of
‘Liberal Fascism:”

Still a moron.

You know who else believes in free health care? South Korea and Singapore.

55 Nyet  May 31, 2015 2:13:10pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

I’m guessing it would be this one, available for a fee:

HURRICANE RITA: PREPARATION

Date: September 22, 2005 Publication: Austin American-Statesman (TX) Word Count: 1535

Can you put your life in a duffel bag?
How fast can you pack food, water and supplies for three days? What would you grab if you were told to evacuate because of a catastrophe? A teddy bear? College diploma? Wedding photos? Cash?
The finger-pointing continues in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Powerless to reform the Federal Emergency Management Agency, a mayor’s office or governor’s staff, I can take stock. This week’s threat from Hurricane Rita to the Gulf Coast and possible

56 jaunte  May 31, 2015 2:14:10pm

re: #54 gwangung

Still a moron.

You know who else believes in free health care? South Korea and Singapore.

More commienazis or nazicommies, according to NRO.

57 Nyet  May 31, 2015 2:15:33pm

re: #55 Nyet

Could be available in Lexis Nexis.

58 De Kolta Chair  May 31, 2015 2:18:03pm

A nice big spring shower — with thunderclaps! — falling in lower Manhattan right now, and about time too.

Now, on to the second episode of A Casual Vacancy. So far two thumbs up. BBL

59 Lidane  May 31, 2015 2:18:30pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

It’s 10 years old - may not be available at the statesman.com site any more.

The Statesman has a full archive here:

statesman.com

The one problem is that the Statesman archives don’t have photos or graphics. It’s just the articles.

60 Nyet  May 31, 2015 2:19:45pm

re: #59 Lidane

They don’t need to contain graphics as long as they contain captions, as is usually the case with serious archives.

61 Charles Johnson  May 31, 2015 2:20:21pm

I updated the post with the original caption and credit to Backwoods_Sleuth for discovering it.

62 PhillyPretzel  May 31, 2015 2:20:38pm

re: #58 De Kolta Chair

It looks like Philly is going to get some of that a little later this evening.

63 jaunte  May 31, 2015 2:26:49pm
64 Charles Johnson  May 31, 2015 2:27:57pm
65 Nyet  May 31, 2015 2:28:19pm

The photo would presumably have been here… if not for fucking Flash.

web.archive.org

66 palomino  May 31, 2015 2:29:12pm

OK, Sanders has referred to himself as a democratic socialist, and he speaks glowingly of the social and economic policies of much of western Europe. “Sanders style socialism” is what you find in places like Sweden, the Netherlands, France, Germany, and many other western democracies. Not Venezuela. And how are all those evil socialist countries in Europe doing? A lot better than Venezuela.

For nearly a century, this has been the common overreaction on the right (NR being a prime example) to anyone who gets near the dreaded s-word. Just call them a commie and ignore all substance.

67 goddamnedfrank  May 31, 2015 2:29:50pm

re: #48 Nyet

Ayep. Also see: the Boer wars.

Also, Malkin who the NRO obvious has no problem publishing since her article is the subject of this page, wrote an impassioned defense of the Japanese American internment camps. And of course the writer of the piece, Williamson, is enamored with the free market right up until the point of reproductive freedom, where he advocates hanging women who’ve had abortions until they’re dead.

68 Nyet  May 31, 2015 2:31:01pm

re: #67 goddamnedfrank

And Malkin writes for VDARE.

69 goddamnedfrank  May 31, 2015 2:33:38pm

re: #68 Nyet

And Malkin writes for VDARE.

It’s a circle-derp.

70 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 31, 2015 2:34:25pm

re: #64 Charles Johnson

Making me blush, he is. :D

71 Thanos  May 31, 2015 2:36:36pm

This is just the sort of thing they’d go on about endlessly at “Twitchy” if the shoe were on the other foot.

72 RadicalModerate  May 31, 2015 2:37:04pm

One thing I noticed about that “Ask Venezuelans How Sanders-Style Socialism Is Working Out for Them” Malkin article - after you remove the doctored photograph, essentially there are no Venezuelans to be found in it, at all - in fact there is just one anecdotal reference to “Sanders’s utopia in South America” that talks about how the military is in charge of food distribution - which is nowhere near what Sanders is advocating.

73 Charles Johnson  May 31, 2015 2:38:46pm
74 jaunte  May 31, 2015 2:39:46pm

re: #72 RadicalModerate

They would look silly panicking over “Eisenhower Taxation.”

75 EPR-radar  May 31, 2015 2:39:47pm

This certainly simplifies things. Citing NRO for anything is as fact-based as citing Fox News, Free Republic or Stormfront.

76 RadicalModerate  May 31, 2015 2:40:09pm

re: #68 Nyet

And Malkin writes for VDARE.

And agrees with their white nationalist views of rounding up non-whites and putting them into concentration camps. Hell, she even wrote a book on it.

77 bratwurst  May 31, 2015 2:41:35pm

There is a new game on Twitter…to get Trump to retweet the most ridiculous thing possible:

78 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 2:41:55pm

re: #76 RadicalModerate

Does she actually think being that way makes her “edgy”?

79 Belafon  May 31, 2015 2:42:17pm

Any time someone talks about how great the free market is, I ask them how much they charge their children for room and board. The market is great for some decisions, generally those that don’t directly involve humans. But it breaks down when a person is involved.

80 Charles Johnson  May 31, 2015 2:42:42pm

I just noticed - Twitter seems to have greatly reduced the amount of time they cache their Twitter Cards that show a synopsis of an article. I just edited the title of this post a few minutes ago and it’s already showing up on Twitter. That’s great. They used to cache the Cards for a week or more, which meant that if you had a typo or an error of some kind, you couldn’t change what showed up beneath a tweet. Now you can. Excellent.

81 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 31, 2015 2:43:28pm

re: #78 Justanotherhuman

Does she actually think being that way makes her “edgy white”?

FTFY

82 missliberties  May 31, 2015 2:44:40pm

These sickening out and out lies as fear mongering propaganda.

I am so putridly disgusted of the right wing and their puz oozing lies.

Why is the right afraid of the truth? Why do they have to make up lies every other minute?

83 goddamnedfrank  May 31, 2015 2:45:27pm

re: #78 Justanotherhuman

Does she actually think being that way makes her “edgy”?

Who knows, but she’s always been nuts. She was famously nuts in college, nuts early in her carer writing for the Seattle Times, nuts everywhere. She married a nut, lives in a house made from nuts, eats nuts, craps nuts, it’s nuts all the way down.

The point I’m trying to convey here is …

84 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 31, 2015 2:46:22pm

re: #83 goddamnedfrank

Who knows, but she’s always been nuts. She was famously nuts in college, nuts early in her carer writing for the Seattle Times, nuts everywhere. She married a nut, lives in a house made from nuts, eats nuts, craps nuts, it’s nuts all the way down.

The point I’m trying to convey here is …

Pistachios?

85 allegro  May 31, 2015 2:46:24pm

re: #82 missliberties

These sickening out and out lies as fear mongering propaganda.

I am so putridly disgusted of the right wing and their puz oozing lies.

Why is the right afraid of the truth? Why do they have to make up lies every other minute?

Because the truth shows them for the greedy, sociopathic assholes they are.

86 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 31, 2015 2:46:47pm

ThirtyBirdy in the house…welcome hatchling!
And thanks for the nice words on twitter.
Sit by me and have a beer or cake or pie.

87 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 2:47:13pm

re: #83 goddamnedfrank

Ah, so nuttier than a fruitcake?

88 Kid A  May 31, 2015 2:47:14pm

Why do wingnuts suck at Photoshop so bad?

89 goddamnedfrank  May 31, 2015 2:47:29pm

Peter Duke is still fighting the good fight. Sad.

90 Eric The Fruit Bat  May 31, 2015 2:49:06pm

Time to have some fun with NRO. It may take some time, but we we got all the time in the world. This incident will be the one that finally puts the stake in their vampiric heart.

91 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 31, 2015 2:49:06pm

re: #89 goddamnedfrank

Peter Duke is still fighting the good fight. Sad.

[Embedded content]

hahahahaa

92 goddamnedfrank  May 31, 2015 2:49:36pm

re: #87 Justanotherhuman

Ah, so nuttier than a fruitcake?

She’s a neutron star of crazy made of compressed matter that was formerly 100% nuts.

93 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 2:49:36pm

re: #89 goddamnedfrank

Peter Duke is still fighting the good fight. Sad.

[Embedded content]

Appears Duke’s idea of “good” is different than that of most sane beings.

94 blueraven  May 31, 2015 2:49:54pm

I am sure the claim will be something like “fake, but accurate”.

95 Eclectic Cyborg  May 31, 2015 2:50:06pm

Which naturally leads one to ask: How much is CCJ paying Peter Duke?

96 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 2:50:24pm

re: #90 Eric The Fruit Bat

Time to have some fun with NRO. It may take some time, but we we got all the time in the world. This incident will be the one that finally puts the stake in their vampiric heart.

If only. : )

97 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 31, 2015 2:50:27pm

re: #83 goddamnedfrank

Who knows, but she’s always been nuts. She was famously nuts in college, nuts early in her carer writing for the Seattle Times, nuts everywhere. She married a nut, lives in a house made from nuts, eats nuts, craps nuts, it’s nuts all the way down.

The point I’m trying to convey here is …

She wrote for The Seattle Times? How did I miss that? Of course, I always avoided The Times’ editorial page like the plague. Long after they killed off The P.I., they would insert their editorial pages in the middle of their front section, so it was easy.

98 Nyet  May 31, 2015 2:50:40pm

re: #95 Eclectic Cyborg

Which naturally leads one to ask: How much is CCJ paying Peter Duke?

Peanuts.

99 ThirtyBirdy  May 31, 2015 2:50:42pm

Bravo to Backwoods Sleuth for finding the original! I had been searching as well but didn’t narrow it down that fast! Bravo!

Irony is, she/they used a pic that actually shows Spanish captioned aisle signs, but cropped them out, to depict a Venezuelan Walmart, however Walmart doesn’t operate in Venezuela. LOL They know their audience quite well. They will swallow this “journalism” chapter and verse, without question and then spread the scourge on Facebook and elsewhere.

100 Charles Johnson  May 31, 2015 2:50:53pm

re: #89 goddamnedfrank

Peter Duke is still fighting the good fight. Sad.

[Embedded content]

Remember, Peter Duke was the guy who took those photos of Chuck stalking me at my former apartment. So he’s clearly got a serious problem with the meaning of “good guys.”

101 Dave In Austin  May 31, 2015 2:51:04pm
102 goddamnedfrank  May 31, 2015 2:51:25pm

re: #97 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

She wrote for The Seattle Times? How did I miss that? Of course, I always avoided The Times’ editorial page like the plague. Long after they killed off The P.I., they would insert their editorial pages in the middle of their front section, so it was easy.

This was back in the 1990’s. Maybe before your time?

103 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 31, 2015 2:51:39pm

re: #88 Kid A

Why do wingnuts suck at Photoshop so bad?

Wingnuts are evil, Adobe is evil—you’d think it would be a match made in heaven….

104 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 31, 2015 2:52:11pm

re: #94 blueraven

I am sure the claim will be something like “fake, but accurate”.

“artistic license”
*spit*

105 ThirtyBirdy  May 31, 2015 2:52:55pm

re: #39 RadicalModerate

Tweet the photagraher @jayjanner and the newspaper @statesman

106 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 2:53:24pm

re: #101 Dave In Austin

What underarm deodorant issue? Did I miss much?

107 ThirtyBirdy  May 31, 2015 2:54:26pm

re: #64 Charles Johnson

Again, full credit to Backwoods Sleuth for finding the source :-) Bravo!

108 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 31, 2015 2:55:08pm

re: #102 goddamnedfrank

This was back in the 1990’s. Maybe before your time?

That’s about when I stopped reading the newspapers—so more like after my time.

109 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 31, 2015 2:56:06pm

re: #107 ThirtyBirdy

Again, full credit to Backwoods Sleuth for finding the source :-) Bravo!

Again, I’m blushing.

110 Charles Johnson  May 31, 2015 2:56:25pm

Journalist/writer Sam Tanenhaus retweeted this one. It’s getting noticed.

111 Charles Johnson  May 31, 2015 2:57:21pm

Big ups to “weave” as well, for noticing the fakery in the first place.

112 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 31, 2015 2:57:58pm

re: #104 Backwoods_Sleuth

“artistic license”
*spit*

“Technically true, but collectively nonsense.”

113 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 31, 2015 2:58:05pm

This is what happens when a real journalist/photographer (me) gets really fed up with hacks.

I find things.

114 Lidane  May 31, 2015 2:59:03pm

re: #105 ThirtyBirdy

Tweet the photagraher @jayjanner and the newspaper @statesman

Done and done.

115 ThirtyBirdy  May 31, 2015 2:59:10pm

Bonus takeaway, I had to learn how to correctly spell Venezuela this afternoon…lol

116 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 31, 2015 2:59:56pm

re: #115 ThirtyBirdy

Bonus takeaway, I had to learn how to correctly spell Venezuela this afternoon…lol

lol I saw that!
You certainly aren’t alone about that.

117 William Lewis  May 31, 2015 3:00:16pm

It’s warms my Christian & Democratic Socialist heart to see how they fear Bernie being in the race even though he’s got less chance of winning than even the Falangist & Libertarian candidates (Santorum & Paul). Shows they know what it would take to repair the damage they’ve done constantly since January 20, 1981.

118 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 3:00:32pm

Yet another pathetic moment for National Review. Props to Backwoods_Sleuth for noticing and thank you Charles for promoting this. I’m for anything that exposes what a pathetic rag NRO is. Why not show a photo of a grocery store in Norway or Sweden since that’s actually close to what Sanders wants? Oh that’s right because NRO has to convince their readers that all socialist nations are tyrannical and poor.

119 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 31, 2015 3:00:34pm

re: #104 Backwoods_Sleuth

“artistic license”
*spit*

They’ll skate on this, but Joe Biden forgot to credit Neil Kinnock one time out of a thousand when he quoted him in a speech, and that was the crime of the century. (Can you tell I’m still mad about that?)

120 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 3:01:15pm

re: #115 ThirtyBirdy

Bonus takeaway, I had to learn how to correctly spell Venezuela this afternoon…lol

It’s always a tough one.

121 Nyet  May 31, 2015 3:02:43pm

re: #115 ThirtyBirdy

Bonus takeaway, I had to learn how to correctly spell Venezuela this afternoon…lol

Try spelling Streichholzschächtelchen.

Then try pronouncing it.

122 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 3:02:56pm

re: #119 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

They’ll skate on this, but Joe Biden forgot to credit Neil Kinnock one time out of a thousand when he quoted him in a speech, and that was the crime of the century. (Can you tell I’m still mad about that?)

Ah yes the Biden “plagiarism” scandal.

123 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 3:03:16pm

re: #121 Nyet

Try spelling Streichholzschächtelchen.

Then try pronouncing it.

or anything Welsh heh.

124 weave  May 31, 2015 3:04:37pm

re: #111 Charles Johnson

Big ups to “weave” as well, for noticing the fakery in the first place.

Thanks, but unfortunately with my Dad being full-frontal wingnut, I constantly hear about the outrage of the day and then think “there must be more to this” or “it must be misleading or an exaggeration” and spend a few minutes looking around and it is almost always that’s the case. :-(

125 ThirtyBirdy  May 31, 2015 3:05:23pm

re: #119 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The little photo caption in the lower left “Venezuela’s Vibrant Economy” and the numerous mentions in the article to empty shelves in Venezuela will be hard to overcome.

126 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 3:05:57pm

re: #124 weave

Thanks, but unfortunately with my Dad being full-frontal wingnut, I constantly hear about the outrage of the day and then think “there must be more to this” or “it must be misleading or an exaggeration” and spend a few minutes looking around and it is almost always that’s the case. :-(

Props to you too. Sorry for not mentioning ya in my original post. Good eye noticing something was amok.

127 Lidane  May 31, 2015 3:06:00pm

OT, but wow. I hope they find whoever left this:

128 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 31, 2015 3:06:29pm

re: #125 ThirtyBirdy

The little photo caption in the lower left “Venezuela’s Vibrant Economy” and the numerous mentions in the article to empty shelves in Venezuela will be hard to overcome.

Here’s hoping!

129 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 3:08:31pm

Notice that they’re likening him to a Stalinist as well. Well NRO, let’s talk about your own history with authoritarianism shall we. Do you want to talk about WFB’s apologies for Jim Crow, Franco, or Apartheid first?

130 Kid A  May 31, 2015 3:09:02pm
131 Eric The Fruit Bat  May 31, 2015 3:09:19pm

re: #118 HappyWarrior

Be carfule, tho: Some of the things that are happening in Sweden by some of the landlords are buying up buildings, kicking out pensioners and disabled for immigrants (from mostly Islamic background) are starting to boil over, becuase they are able to charge the government more for the immigrants.

It’s getting ugly.

132 PhillyPretzel  May 31, 2015 3:10:20pm

re: #130 Kid A

And so the mud slinging commences. :(

133 Nyet  May 31, 2015 3:12:24pm

re: #132 PhillyPretzel

And so the mud slinging commences. :(

Kid A posted his tweet ;)

134 PhillyPretzel  May 31, 2015 3:14:26pm

re: #133 Nyet

Okay, but there is going to be lots of finger-pointing and other things going on. I know this is how it is but sometimes it makes me sad. :(

135 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 3:15:26pm

re: #131 Eric The Fruit Bat

Be carfule, tho: Some of the things that are happening in Sweden by some of the landlords are buying up buildings, kicking out pensioners and disabled for immigrants (from mostly Islamic background) are starting to boil over, becuase they are able to charge the government more for the immigrants.

It’s getting ugly.

That stinks. Guess my point is that Sanders is merely advocating what democratic socialists have achieved in Europe already. He’s not some Chavezista anymore than the average capitalist is Gordon Gecko.

136 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 31, 2015 3:16:08pm

re: #127 Lidane

OT, but wow. I hope they find whoever left this:

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Yeah, I posted a link to the AP story downstairs. I sure hope they can find her. Props to them for trying—many wouldn’t.

137 ObserverArt  May 31, 2015 3:16:12pm

To all the folks that put this thread together…good work. LGF…citizen journalism and accurate analysis at its best!

Now about that photo. The dirt job sucks. You wouldn’t see dirt like that on the shelves. The dirt is the same tone on all surfaces and in the shadows. A little extra work on adding select tonal changes and you might have made it just a bit more realistic. Maybe.

And you can tell the dirt is on a layer. You can see where the dirt has been cleared away from the woman. Probably used an erase brush tool. It even lightens up the area around the woman because it is clear of the dirt.

Fail all around. But no surprise with Malkin and National Review.

138 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 31, 2015 3:18:00pm

re: #137 ObserverArt

To all the folks that put this thread together…good work. LGF…citizen journalism and accurate analysis at its best!

Now about that photo. The dirt job sucks. You wouldn’t see dirt like that on the shelves. The dirt is the same tone on all surfaces and in the shadows. A little extra work on adding select tonal changes and you might have made it just a bit more realistic. Maybe.

And you can tell the dirt is on a layer. You can see where the dirt has been cleared away from the woman. Probably used an erase brush tool. It even lightens up the area around the woman because it is clear of the dirt.

Fail all around. But no surprise with Malkin and National Review.

I’m going: “That’s supposed to make the store look dirty? All it does is make the camera lens look dirty.”

139 blueraven  May 31, 2015 3:18:07pm

re: #131 Eric The Fruit Bat

Be carfule, tho: Some of the things that are happening in Sweden by some of the landlords are buying up buildings, kicking out pensioners and disabled for immigrants (from mostly Islamic background) are starting to boil over, becuase they are able to charge the government more for the immigrants.

It’s getting ugly.

Well that seems very wrong and stupid. Do you have a link you can share that would shed more light on this?

140 William Lewis  May 31, 2015 3:18:14pm

re: #131 Eric The Fruit Bat

Be carfule, tho: Some of the things that are happening in Sweden by some of the landlords are buying up buildings, kicking out pensioners and disabled for immigrants (from mostly Islamic background) are starting to boil over, becuase they are able to charge the government more for the immigrants.

It’s getting ugly.

Just goes to show that you never arrive at perfection any more than you can perfect people. However you can tweak programs to gain the behavior you want by leading them with whatever carrot works best. Usually that’s $$$$ but not always.

141 EPR-radar  May 31, 2015 3:18:29pm

re: #118 HappyWarrior

Yet another pathetic moment for National Review. Props to Backwoods_Sleuth for noticing and thank you Charles for promoting this. I’m for anything that exposes what a pathetic rag NRO is. Why not show a photo of a grocery store in Norway or Sweden since that’s actually close to what Sanders wants? Oh that’s right because NRO has to convince their readers that all socialist nations are tyrannical and poor.

The purpose of NRO has always been to pretend that US conservatism has a veneer of civilization. The accuracy of “crypto-fascist” as applied to Buckley et al. increases every year.

142 Nyet  May 31, 2015 3:19:33pm

LGF just can’t escape from fauxtography, eh.

143 PhillyPretzel  May 31, 2015 3:20:55pm

re: #142 Nyet

It is just part of who we are.

144 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 3:21:19pm

re: #141 EPR-radar

The purpose of NRO has always been to pretend that US conservatism has a veneer of civilization. The accuracy of “crypto-fascist” as applied to Buckley et al. increases every year.

Precisely. Really Buckley was a bastard. I don’t care if he was articulate, well-spoken, and intelligent. A totalitarianism apologist is still one even if he’s smart. Buckley and his magazine are a large part of why conservatism in this country has such a reactionary tune to it.

145 William Lewis  May 31, 2015 3:23:24pm

re: #142 Nyet

LGF just can’t escape from fauxtography, eh.

And just the other day it was typewriter fonts … :LOL:

146 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 31, 2015 3:24:02pm

re: #144 HappyWarrior

Precisely. Really Buckley was a bastard. I don’t care if he was articulate, well-spoken, and intelligent. A totalitarianism apologist is still one even if he’s smart. Buckley and his magazine are a large part of why conservatism in this country has such a reactionary tune to it.

After he died they could have chosen to be what they always claimed to be but weren’t. Instead they went Full Metal Teatard. Fuck them sideways with a rusty chainsaw.

147 ObserverArt  May 31, 2015 3:24:55pm

re: #138 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’m going: “That’s supposed to make the store look dirty? All it does is make the camera lens look dirty.”

Exactly. That is because it is flat. No tones that change with the light and under the shelves in the shade. It is stringy too. Like it was a spider web or webs and dust strings filter effect they messed with.

But with their stupid audience it doesn’t matter. They are going to believe the story anyway. The image is just icing. It is like a bad fun house display. Aunt Ethel and Uncle Joe are terrified!

148 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 3:25:35pm

re: #146 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

After he died they could have chosen to be what they always claimed to be but weren’t. Instead they went Full Metal Teatard. Fuck them sideways with a rusty chainsaw.

Yep and honestly I still contend that his decision to distance himself from the Birchers was not out of principle but because he didn’t like conservatives being linked with a bunch of crazies. He was just peachy with the Birchers racism, seeing reds everywhere, etc.

149 Kragar  May 31, 2015 3:26:15pm
150 Eric The Fruit Bat  May 31, 2015 3:26:37pm

re: #140 William Lewis

When you watch this video, is just makes you wonder what’s next.

151 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 3:27:22pm

I wouldn’t have noticed it was a fake if not for this but when you look at it. There’s something about the far left of the image. It appears the shelves on the left are made of a different material than those to the woman’s right and it honestly almost looks like a painting.

152 Charles Johnson  May 31, 2015 3:27:33pm
153 ObserverArt  May 31, 2015 3:30:18pm

re: #152 Charles Johnson

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???

What’s up Gus?

154 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 3:30:39pm

Nothing from Sept 2005, much less Sept 22 2005 at the Wayback Machine.

web.archive.org

They only have stories from Oct 2005 - Dec 2005

155 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 3:31:25pm

re: #152 Charles Johnson

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I don’t understand what Gus is objecting to. He’s right. There are good examples of mixed socialist states in Europe which is exactly what is close to Sanders’ worldview. It is NRO who painted Sanders as a Chavez style leftist. I have no defense of the Venezuelan economic system but this was clearly intended to deceive people on NRO’s part about Venezuela and even more so to liken Sanders to that when in reality Sanders is much more closer to policies advocated by the British Labour Party, French Socialist Party, or the Socialist Party of Germany.

156 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 3:32:52pm

Fact is NRO wants to liken every single self-described socialist with Hugo Chavez just like in the past they would have with Joseph Stalin or V.I. Lenin. It’s a disgusting tactic and a constant throughout conservative red baiting.

157 bubba zanetti  May 31, 2015 3:33:04pm

Considering how empty those shelves are, that socialist state sure has a lot of water to hand out…

158 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 31, 2015 3:33:31pm

re: #153 ObserverArt

???

What’s up Gus?

Another victim of right-wing propaganda. HUGO CHAVEZ!!11!! BE AFRAID!!! BE VERY AFRAID!!1!!. I spent eight years saying I would trade presidents with Venezuela in a hot minute. And I meant it.

159 Nyet  May 31, 2015 3:35:47pm

re: #146 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

After he died they could have chosen to be what they always claimed to be but weren’t. Instead they went Full Metal Teatard. Fuck them sideways with a rusty chainsaw.

…

160 BeenHereAwhile  May 31, 2015 3:36:22pm

...

161 Nyet  May 31, 2015 3:37:33pm

re: #154 Justanotherhuman

Nothing from Sept 2005, much less Sept 22 2005 at the Wayback Machine.

web.archive.org

They only have stories from Oct 2005 - Dec 2005

You’re looking at the wrong link. There is a copy of Sep. 22, but the story is not available.

162 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 3:37:49pm

re: #160 BeenHereAwhile

ISTR that the Brits were the first to use concentration camps during the Boer War.

The Boers were successfully using guerrilla tactics at will against the Brits.

So the British rounded up the Boer women & children into concentration camps and literally let them starve until the Boers fighting the Brits surrendered.

The same tactics were used in Kenya during the Mau Mau rebellion.

Yeah I think you’re right about that regarding the Brits and concentration camps during the Boer War. It built up generations of anti-British hostility among Afrikaners. Sadly, the lesson wasn’t really learned on many of them.

163 William Lewis  May 31, 2015 3:38:05pm

re: #156 HappyWarrior

Fact is NRO wants to liken every single self-described socialist with Hugo Chavez just like in the past they would have with Joseph Stalin or V.I. Lenin. It’s a disgusting tactic and a constant throughout conservative red baiting.

It’s the same as how they paint Franco and Pinochet as simple champions of democracy and capitalism…

164 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 31, 2015 3:39:06pm

re: #160 BeenHereAwhile

ISTR that the Brits were the first to use concentration camps during the Boer War.

The Boers were successfully using guerrilla tactics at will against the Brits.

So the British rounded up the Boer women & children into concentration camps and literally let them starve until the Boers fighting the Brits surrendered.

The same tactics were used in Kenya during the Mau Mau rebellion.

The British got the idea from General Maximiliano Weyler y Nicolau, the Spanish General sent to quell the rebellion in Cuba. “Concentrate” all the rebels’ women and children in Campos Renconcentrados along the rail lines so they could be easily supplied, and soldiers could be rushed to any of them to foil any rescue attempt.

165 Nyet  May 31, 2015 3:39:07pm

re: #153 ObserverArt

???

What’s up Gus?

Gus does have a point, although not about (most of) LGF. Chavez was a fucker and it’s good he’s dead. Chavistas are vomit-inducing.

166 Lidane  May 31, 2015 3:39:19pm

Wheee!

167 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 3:40:01pm

re: #166 Lidane

Wheee!

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He’s going to be standing in the unemployment line when Tammy Duckworth is through with him.

168 Lord Of The Pies  May 31, 2015 3:41:25pm

GAH.

The power was out here for 10 hours.

There is also a bunch of flooding in Dearborn, like right near where I work.

169 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 3:41:29pm

re: #163 William Lewis

It’s the same as how they paint Franco and Pinochet as simple champions of democracy and capitalism…

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Yeah I always felt it funny that the conservatives that rail against the Castros and Chavez as tyrants are always the first to lead up in defense of Pinochet simply because Pinoceht was a capitalist. A dictator is a dictator.

170 bratwurst  May 31, 2015 3:42:19pm

re: #165 Nyet

Gus does have a point, although not about (most of) LGF.

I have been here 6 years. There used to be one open Stalinist here, and he is now banned. I have never one seen anyone else here ever come even CLOSE to endorsing Chavez or his Bolivarian policies.

He doesn’t have a point.

171 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 3:42:23pm

re: #164 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The British got the idea from General Maximiliano Weyler y Nicolau, the Spanish General sent to quell the rebellion in Cuba. “Concentrate” all the rebels’ women and children in Campos Renconcetrados along the raillines so they could be easily supplied, and soldiers could be rushed to any of them to foil any rescue attempt.

I had heard about that now that you mention it too. Yet another nasty legacy of colonialism but remember it’s a bad thing to be anti-colonialism like Barack Obama, Sr was.

172 Charles Johnson  May 31, 2015 3:42:41pm

re: #166 Lidane

Wheee!

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Rand Paul is thoroughly alienating his Republican base with this stuff. I’d be tempted to show him some grudging respect for it, but I suspect he’s just trying to pander to the libertarian crowd.

173 Nyet  May 31, 2015 3:43:39pm

re: #170 bratwurst

I have been here 6 years. There used to be one open Stalinist here, and he is now banned. I have never one seen anyone else here ever come even CLOSE to endorsing Chavez or his Bolivarian policies.

He doesn’t have a point.

He does have a point about Venezuela. I wrote very explicitly that he doesn’t have a point about (most of) LGF.

174 ComradeDread  May 31, 2015 3:44:00pm
Ask Venezuelans How Sanders-Style Socialism Is Working Out for Them

We could ask the Germans, the French, the Canadians, Icelanders, Fins, Swedes or quite a few other European nations that are doing just fine how democratic socialism is working out for them.

In most cases, it’s just fine and provides a higher quality of life to its citizens.

175 Chez Ko Pe  May 31, 2015 3:44:39pm
In an argument with a wingnut friend of mine, his response was “It’s clearly a stock photo.” ORLY? Even if true, why crop it, make it dirty, and label it as a sign of Venezuela’s economy?

”Behold! Evidence! Chetmake, libtardos! Hurr hurr hurr!!”
”It’s faked. See, here’s the original.”
”Well, uh……….IT’S JUST A STOCK PHOTO MAN IT DON’T MEAN ANYTHING WHY U GOTTA BE A NARC?”

176 bratwurst  May 31, 2015 3:44:41pm

re: #173 Nyet

He does have a point about Venezuela. I wrote very explicitly that he doesn’t have a point about (most of) LGF.

And I am very explicitly telling you that the (most of) part of that is wrong.

177 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 31, 2015 3:45:57pm

so thanks to the wonders of digital photo processing and the Internet, journalism has reverted to the days of Harper’s magazines when the only images we had were artists’ impressions of events…

178 Nyet  May 31, 2015 3:46:01pm

re: #176 bratwurst

And I am very explicitly telling you that the (most of) part of that is wrong.

I’m not sure about that.

179 jaunte  May 31, 2015 3:46:18pm

re: #174 ComradeDread

We could ask the Germans, the French, the Canadians, Icelanders, Fins, Swedes or quite a few other European nations that are doing just fine how democratic socialism is working out for them.

In most cases, it’s just fine and provides a higher quality of life to its citizens.

NRO misses the fine distinction between a cooperative nation and a failed petro-state.

180 BeachDem  May 31, 2015 3:46:20pm

re: #117 William Lewis

It’s warms my Christian & Democratic Socialist heart to see how they fear Bernie being in the race even though he’s got less chance of winning than even the Falangist & Libertarian candidates (Santorum & Paul). Shows they know what it would take to repair the damage they’ve done constantly since January 20, 1981.

Not if you read some of the diaries over at the koskids place. They’re 100% convinced that Bernie is going to squash Hillary and ride to the presidency on a populist wave unicorn.

I like Bernie, and I admire their enthusiasm, but all of the populist paths they envision for Bernie assume that Hillary is doing nothing, has no ground game and no enthusiastic supporters. That couldn’t be further from the truth. She’s even got a massive ground operation in South Carolina—I’m having one of the interns stay at my house next month.

181 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 3:47:28pm

re: #179 jaunte

NRO misses the fine distinction between a cooperative nation and a failed petro-state.

NRO always misses fine distinctions just like how their readers want it.

182 BeachDem  May 31, 2015 3:48:15pm

re: #119 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

They’ll skate on this, but Joe Biden forgot to credit Neil Kinnock one time out of a thousand when he quoted him in a speech, and that was the crime of the century. (Can you tell I’m still mad about that?)

I’m right there with you. And also, notice that Luap Dnar plagiarizes on a regular basis, and they shrug it off with, “Oh, Rand.”

183 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  May 31, 2015 3:48:47pm

re: #181 HappyWarrior

NRO always misses fine distinctions just like how their readers want it.

only liberals deal in nuances!

184 Lidane  May 31, 2015 3:49:04pm

Jim Wright nails it again, this time about Rand Paul:

I can’t stand this mangy little labradoodle.

I agree that NSA domestic surveillance needs to be curtailed and placed under strict judicial review.

HOWEVER, the crap that Paul is currently pushing is nothing but pure distilled bullshit.

NSA domestic spying programs ARE NOT illegal. They were fully authorized by congress in the panicked wake of 911 via the Patriot Act and expanded under the Protect America Act. Warrantless wiretapping, mass collection, and total intrusion into global communications were authorized by Congress. The constitutional limitations put in place after Watergate, FISA requirements, and domestic intelligence oversight requirements were SPECIFICALLY dismissed by very same gun waving patriots who told us that fucking TORTURE was an acceptable tool for a civilized people.

Don’t believe me? Here, right here, is where the steel meets flesh: CONGRESS has reauthorized funding for these programs for the last 14 years.

Members of Congress, including Tea Party Patriots like Rand Paul and the head of the Congressional Tea Party Caucus herself, Michele Bachmann, oversaw these programs as part of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, which SPECIFICALLY gave her authority over the CIA, NSA, DIA, and the rest of the U.S. intelligence community.

While the constitutionality of these programs has not been fully examined by the Supreme Court, they WERE fully authorized by Congress (on BOTH sides of the aisle, and the Tea Party) and two Presidents. They ARE are legal under the law and NO American including Rand Fucking Paul would have a problem with them if they only targeted dark skinned Muslims and don’t you goddamned pretend otherwise.

In point of fact, if these programs ARE illegal, then Rand Paul and his fellows in Congress on both sides of the aisle are guilty of conspiracy (in the legal sense of conspiring to break the law) by repeatedly funding this activity.

While I am a huge advocate for returning to ALL intelligence gathering operations to strict FISA review and intense uncompromising oversight, the horseshit Rand Paul is currently shovelling is nothing but pure partisan grandstanding.

He’s running for president. Caveat Emptor.

185 Belafon  May 31, 2015 3:49:23pm

re: #178 Nyet

This post is about the NRO faking a picture.
Gus writes about not defending Venezuela.

His comment made no sense.

186 blueraven  May 31, 2015 3:49:36pm

re: #158 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Another victim of right-wing propaganda. HUGO CHAVEZ!!11!! BE AFRAID!!! BE VERY AFRAID!!1!!. I spent eight years saying I would trade presidents with Venezuela in a hot minute. And I meant it.

Really?

187 William Lewis  May 31, 2015 3:50:42pm

re: #180 BeachDem

Not if you read some of the diaries over at the koskids place. They’re 100% convinced that Bernie is going to squash Hillary and ride to the presidency on a populist wave unicorn.

I like Bernie, and I admire their enthusiasm, but all of the populist paths they envision for Bernie assume that Hillary is doing nothing, has no ground game and no enthusiastic supporters. That couldn’t be further from the truth. She’s even got a massive ground operation in South Carolina—I’m having one of the interns stay at my house next month.

KOS has never been grounded in reality. But what Bernie can do is force the discussion of issues that Hillary would rather not deal with as well as drag her back closer to the center rather than her usual Blue Dog positions. God willing he might get a cabinet job (Treasury? Labor?) or even as VP (as a way to keep the lefties mollified) to help his retirement paycheck.

188 Nyet  May 31, 2015 3:52:02pm

re: #185 Belafon

You should know Gus’ style, he will go off on tangents. Which is why I specified where I thought he had a point, and where not.

189 Bubblehead II  May 31, 2015 3:52:51pm

Afternoon Lizards. Hell, whoever did the shop on this pic needs to take some lessons from the North Koreans. Even I can see this is an obvious fake.

*smh*

Now back to the top of the thread.

190 Charles Johnson  May 31, 2015 3:52:57pm

re: #185 Belafon

Gus really doesn’t like Maduro, and I don’t blame him. I think he reacted to the Venezuela connection and jumped to a wrong conclusion about this post.

191 GlutenFreeJesus  May 31, 2015 3:53:27pm

Anyone tweet this to Walmart yet? >=]

192 CuriousLurker  May 31, 2015 3:53:31pm

I think this article might be of some interest to the Christians here as well as the atheists. It’s about how the Southern Baptist church is changing and, more specifically, about a small church in Murfreesboro, Tennessee (yes, the same Murfreesboro where all the uproar over the mosque was happening). The church was dying and facing total bills that were higher than what it had in its bank account, so they reached out to some Arab Christians to see if they wanted to buy it. They did.

It’s pretty long, but worth reading for a couple of reasons, IMO. Unfortunately, it doesn’t sound like the Arab guy now leading the church is any more tolerant & open-minded than the old Southern Baptists were—maybe even less. They also seem to be particularly interested in “saving” Muslims, which could cause more than a little friction.

Emphasis in the last paragraph is mine:

One church’s sunset means a new day for another

How an Arabic Baptist church came to be, much less came to be in Murfreesboro, Tenn., is another story of the changing South, which is now home to seven of the top 10 suburban areas with the fastest-growing immigrant populations, a list that includes the Nashville-Murfreesboro corridor along Interstate 24.

Specifically, it is the story of Raouf Ghattas, who was born in Egypt and grew up a Presbyterian. As an adult, he came to the United States to work as a nuclear engineer in Charlotte, where he learned to pronounce biscuit “biskit” instead of “biskwit,” grew tired of fast living and fond of Billy Graham, and in a mood of desperation one night, called out, “Lord, even if I die, I can’t live like this anymore.”

“The Lord made it clear,” he said. “No more drinking. No more girls. No more smoking. I slept like a baby. The next morning, I said, ‘I am a new creation in Christ.’ “

As a new creation, Raouf decided to stop being a nuclear engineer and attend a Southern Baptist seminary to become a preacher. He was drawn to a denomination that embraced evangelism and, as he saw it, conservative values similar to those in the Arab world, where men headed the family, and homosexuality was against God’s order. […]

If anyone’s interested in paging this, feel free to do so as I’m not in the mood to create & babysit one.

193 b_sharp  May 31, 2015 3:56:54pm

re: #11 darthstar

I finally took the plunge and put a natural oil on the table I’ve been refinishing. This is going to look lovely in our dining room when it’s done.

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Oh my.

194 BeenHereAwhile  May 31, 2015 3:58:39pm

re: #162 HappyWarrior

Yeah I think you’re right about that regarding the Brits and concentration camps during the Boer War. It built up generations of anti-British hostility among Afrikaners. Sadly, the lesson wasn’t really learned on many of them.

I deleted my post after reading someone had previously posted the same info, and learned that concentration camps were first used in Cuba.

Learn something new every day.

195 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 3:59:29pm

re: #194 BeenHereAwhile

I deleted my post after reading someone had previously posted the same info, and learned that concentration camps were first used in Cuba.

Learn something new every day.

Yeah me too. That’s what keeps on bringing me back.

196 Belafon  May 31, 2015 4:00:42pm

re: #190 Charles Johnson

Gus really doesn’t like Maduro, and I don’t blame him. I think he reacted to the Venezuela connection and jumped to a wrong conclusion about this post.

I agree. When I read the tweets you posted, I went, as you were trying to do, “What does that have to do with the NRO picture?”

NRO could spin Gus’s statement into “Not everyone on the left disagrees that this is what Venezuelan store shelves look like.” While Venezuela might have empty store shelves, NRO should not be given any chance to escape their photo doctoring.

197 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 4:01:21pm

re: #192 CuriousLurker

I think this article might be of some interest to the Christians here as well as the atheists. It’s about the Southern Baptist church is changing and, more specifically, about a small church in Murfreesboro, Tennessee (yes, the same Murfreesboro where all the uproar over the mosque was happening). The church was dying and facing total bills that were higher than what it had in its bank account, so they reached out to some Arab Christians to see if they wanted to buy it. They did.

It’s pretty long, but worth reading for a couple of reasons, IMO. Unfortunately, it doesn’t sound like the Arab guy now leading the church is any more tolerant & open-minded than the old Southern Baptists were—maybe even less. They also seem to be particularly interested in “saving” Muslims, which could cause more than a little friction.

Emphasis in the last paragraph is mine:

If anyone’s interested in paging this, feel free to do so as I’m not in the mood to create & babysit one.

Interesting read. As an agnostic, I just wish people of all faiths and non-faiths realized that we’re all in this world together and that we should be aware of our differences. I don’t care if someone wants to be Christian, Muslim, Jewish, etc as long as they’re not damning me and others for not choosing that. It seems to me after reading that article that this new minister has much of the same intolerance as in the past.

198 Higgs Boson's Mate  May 31, 2015 4:01:51pm

re: #194 BeenHereAwhile

I deleted my post after reading someone had previously posted the same info, and learned that concentration camps were first used in Cuba.

Learn something new every day.

Now that I’m in my late sixties I learn something every ten minutes. I learn where I put my glasses, I learn where I left my coffee…

199 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 31, 2015 4:02:15pm

It’s not like NRO couldn’t have found a real photo of an actual store with empty shelves in Venezuela.

200 Nyet  May 31, 2015 4:02:57pm

re: #199 Backwoods_Sleuth

201 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 31, 2015 4:03:33pm

re: #200 Nyet

exactly

202 BeachDem  May 31, 2015 4:03:37pm

re: #187 William Lewis

KOS has never been grounded in reality. But what Bernie can do is force the discussion of issues that Hillary would rather not deal with as well as drag her back closer to the center rather than her usual Blue Dog positions. God willing he might get a cabinet job (Treasury? Labor?) or even as VP (as a way to keep the lefties mollified) to help his retirement paycheck.

The funny thing is that Kos, himself, has come out for Hillary and the kidz are not happy with him. But reading some of the diaries, where Bernie gets a gazillion-ninety-five votes to every one for every other candidate, is humorous.

Cabinet, maybe, but he’s definitely too old for VP (but, according to the kidz, not for president—and there will be no anti-Semitism raised against him from the right because shut up.)

203 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 4:04:18pm

re: #200 Nyet

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And if they had used those images, that would have been fine. The other problem I have and I think Gus agrees is their attempt to liken Sanders to Venezuelan style economics since Gus did bring up that there are plenty of examples of European mixed economic states.

204 Nyet  May 31, 2015 4:04:38pm

re: #202 BeachDem

Kos is pretty conservative compared to many Kossacks.

205 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 4:05:45pm

re: #204 Nyet

Kos is pretty conservative compared to many Kossacks.

He’s always been. It always amused me in 2003-2004 to see Kos likened as a lefty radical. He’s just very strongly spoken in his beliefs.

206 stpaulbear  May 31, 2015 4:05:47pm

re: #187 William Lewis

KOS has never been grounded in reality. But what Bernie can do is force the discussion of issues that Hillary would rather not deal with as well as drag her back closer to the center rather than her usual Blue Dog positions. God willing he might get a cabinet job (Treasury? Labor?) or even as VP (as a way to keep the lefties mollified) to help his retirement paycheck.

I’m not so sure about Hillary being afraid of Bernie’s issues. Bernie gets to bring a lot of stuff to the table that Hillary can’t really initiate, but when push comes to shove they probably agree on more stuff than disagree. Right now I see Hillary/Bernie as more of a good cop/bad cop thing where they’re both trying to reach the same result.

207 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 31, 2015 4:06:11pm

re: #204 Nyet

Kos is pretty conservative compared to many Kossacks.

I know a lot of places where I would be considered fairly liberal, but Kos is one of the few places where I end up feeling more to the right.

I don’t know if that’s necessarily because I disagree on issues or because some of the people present things that don’t allow for any disagreement whatsoever.

208 Belafon  May 31, 2015 4:06:58pm

re: #204 Nyet

Kos is pretty conservative compared to many Kossacks.

I remember back in 2010. Kos kept telling everyone at DK that the polls show the Democrats are going to get hammered. People kept saying no. He kept repeating it. When the Democrats got hammered, everyone else was shocked and couldn’t figure out what happened.

The site is kind of independent of him now, and he really is just one voice among many.

209 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 4:07:52pm

re: #207 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I know a lot of places where I would be considered fairly liberal, but Kos is one of the few places where I end up feeling more to the right.

I don’t know if that’s necessarily because I disagree on issues or because some of the people present things that don’t allow for any disagreement whatsoever.

I always felt more to the right among some of my former college classmates. And even then I never met any honest to god communists. Socialists, yes but never a full out communist who thinks Stalin got a big deal. I’ve encountered a handful of Stalinists online. I think I’d probably a centrist at Kos. I’m definitely pretty left wing but I’m also practical.

210 BeachDem  May 31, 2015 4:08:19pm

re: #204 Nyet

Kos is pretty conservative compared to many Kossacks.

And if they could run him off his own site, they definitely would. As amused as I am when they go nutz, I’m sure he just shakes his head and laughs out loud.

211 Nyet  May 31, 2015 4:08:43pm

re: #207 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Well, for one, they have lots of Chavistas…

212 Nyet  May 31, 2015 4:09:00pm

re: #210 BeachDem

On the way to the bank.

213 jaunte  May 31, 2015 4:10:39pm

re: #200 Nyet

“….The result is that people are really pissed in Venezuela today. At Maduro, at the military, at the cops, at the supermarkets and their owners, at scarcity and at all the lies they keep feeding them in Government media.

But Chavismo thinks that a President with 20% popularity can continue getting away with blaming the opposition for all the problems. Because this is not going away anytime soon. Price controls, exchange controls, absurd economic policies are coming home to roost. What is going on, is a reflection of the lack of foreign currency, for a Government used to solving supply problems with massive imports of scarce items. Except that the too many items are now scarce, national production has been decimated and the biggest scarcity is that of foreign currency. And neither the Chinese, nor the Russians, nor the Iranians, will give Maduro much at this time.”
devilexcrement.com

214 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 31, 2015 4:10:47pm

re: #209 HappyWarrior

I always felt more to the right among some of my former college classmates. And even then I never met any honest to god communists. Socialists, yes but never a full out communist who thinks Stalin got a big deal. I’ve encountered a handful of Stalinists online. I think I’d probably a centrist at Kos. I’m definitely pretty left wing but I’m also practical.

Probably the biggest reason why I don’t feel like I fit in over there (I have lurked occasionally but not regularly at this point, because of things like that).

I’m a realist. Part of that means recognizing where compromise needs to happen in order to allow the bigger picture goals to move forward.

I mean sure, I would have loved universal health care. But the ACA is a whole lot better than what we had, and it was something that could actually happen. I’d love to see more forward progress on this issue, but for millions of Americans this was a HUGE step forward.

215 Teukka  May 31, 2015 4:11:18pm

re: #73 Charles Johnson

216 bratwurst  May 31, 2015 4:11:42pm

Fox psychoanalyzes Joe Biden after son’s death with psychiatrist who accused VP of being a drunk

Naturally, it was Dr. Keith Ablow, the most loathsome man on television.

217 Romantic Heretic  May 31, 2015 4:12:51pm

re: #26 Nyet

Concentration camps != Nazis.
GULAG was a bunch of Soviet concentration camps.

From my understanding the first concentration camps were created by the British during the Boer War.

218 Eric The Fruit Bat  May 31, 2015 4:13:46pm

re: #216 bratwurst

Why he still has a license is amazing.

219 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 4:13:51pm

re: #216 bratwurst

Fox psychoanalyzes Joe Biden after son’s death with psychiatrist who accused VP of being a drunk

Naturally, it was Dr. Keith Ablow, the most loathsome man on television.

Of course.

220 ObserverArt  May 31, 2015 4:14:55pm

re: #206 stpaulbear

I’m not so sure about Hillary being afraid of Bernie’s issues. Bernie gets to bring a lot of stuff to the table that Hillary can’t really initiate, but when push comes to shove they probably agree on more stuff than disagree. Right now I see Hillary/Bernie as more of a good cop/bad cop thing where they’re both trying to reach the same result.

Good summation. I’d add Bernie adds the extreme desires on some issues that everyone on the left likes and runs on wanting it all. He’s idealistic.

I think Hillary shares those ideals but has been around long enough to know what you can sell in an election. She is realistic.

Together and what ever O’Malley kicks up in the dust about the banking system will make Hilliary have to explain and tune her campaign to some of those issues. It’s a good thing to have happen.

221 thedopefishlives  May 31, 2015 4:15:08pm

Evening Lizardim from the beautiful, cool, clear wild north country. For those who have been following my spring automotive project, I finally have success! The old girl started and ran for the first time in 16 years today, and rolled up and down the driveway under her own power. I am beyond ecstatic right now and can’t wait to get some of the little details cleaned up. How go things among the lizardfolk on this lovely late spring day?

222 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 4:15:37pm

re: #214 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Probably the biggest reason why I don’t feel like I fit in over there (I have lurked occasionally but not regularly at this point, because of things like that).

I’m a realist. Part of that means recognizing where compromise needs to happen in order to allow the bigger picture goals to move forward.

I mean sure, I would have loved universal health care. But the ACA is a whole lot better than what we had, and it was something that could actually happen. I’d love to see more forward progress on this issue, but for millions of Americans this was a HUGE step forward.

That’s a great point regarding the ACA. And as I said, the one place where I felt more centrist was among college friends who were disappointed that the ACA was not universal and single payer. But I see it like you in that the ACA is a big improvement over what we had before. I used to be more of the Kos/DU type in my high school days but experience, education, and wisdom has made me a pragmatist.

223 Iwouldprefernotto  May 31, 2015 4:18:26pm

It’s pouring in Brooklyn.

224 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 4:19:32pm

At Berkeley, I’d be a conservative. At Kos a centrist, At NRO, I’d be a socialist. And at a Tea Party rally, I’d be a Stalinist. Here I am just me, a regular boring liberal.

225 Nyet  May 31, 2015 4:19:40pm

via Gus

226 Romantic Heretic  May 31, 2015 4:21:00pm

re: #88 Kid A

Why do wingnuts suck at Photoshop so bad?

Because they always believe they are the smartest people on the planet. Therefore no one will see through their ‘truthiness’.

227 allegro  May 31, 2015 4:21:14pm

re: #221 thedopefishlives

Evening Lizardim from the beautiful, cool, clear wild north country. For those who have been following my spring automotive project, I finally have success! The old girl started and ran for the first time in 16 years today, and rolled up and down the driveway under her own power. I am beyond ecstatic right now and can’t wait to get some of the little details cleaned up. How go things among the lizardfolk on this lovely late spring day?

I bow to your awesomeness. I changed a headlight in my Datsun B210 in 1975. It took me all afternoon and taught me that I needed to stick to handling wild critters cuz screwdrivers were dangerous in my hands.

228 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 4:22:39pm

re: #225 Nyet

via Gus

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I’m sure Rand wants to convince Republican voters that Democrats invented the NSA to spy on conservatives.

229 jaunte  May 31, 2015 4:23:45pm

The right of men to be left alone is the most cherished of rights!
…

230 allegro  May 31, 2015 4:24:24pm

re: #229 jaunte

The right of men to be left alone is the most cherished of rights!
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He did specify men.

231 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 4:25:16pm

re: #230 allegro

He did specify men.

and then added that he meant
white men
and then added that he meant
straight men
and then added he meant
Christian men.

232 Nyet  May 31, 2015 4:26:16pm

re: #229 jaunte

He sounds very bored.

233 Romantic Heretic  May 31, 2015 4:26:20pm

re: #121 Nyet

Try spelling Streichholzschächtelchen.

Then try pronouncing it.

I tried. My tongue broke.

You’ll be hearing from my solicitor. //

234 jaunte  May 31, 2015 4:26:48pm

re: #232 Nyet

Yes, almost phoning it in.

235 Nyet  May 31, 2015 4:28:10pm

re: #233 Romantic Heretic

I tried. My tongue broke.

You’ll be hearing from my solicitor. //

I’ll use tschechisches Streichholzschächtelchen on him.

236 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 4:29:55pm

Are the Kentucky Dems preparing to run anyone good against Rand in 2016?

237 thedopefishlives  May 31, 2015 4:30:39pm

re: #227 allegro

I bow to your awesomeness. I changed a headlight in my Datsun B210 in 1975. It took me all afternoon and taught me that I needed to stick to handling wild critters cuz screwdrivers were dangerous in my hands.

I come from a long line of mechanics, both of the backyard variety and the professional variety. Those who were in-thread with me a couple of days ago will remember that picture of my maternal grandfather, who ran a garage in their little hometown, and served in the Army Air Corps as a mechanic during WWII. Mechanical inclination runs strong in the fishfolk.

238 BeachDem  May 31, 2015 4:30:45pm

re: #214 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Probably the biggest reason why I don’t feel like I fit in over there (I have lurked occasionally but not regularly at this point, because of things like that).

I’m a realist. Part of that means recognizing where compromise needs to happen in order to allow the bigger picture goals to move forward.

I mean sure, I would have loved universal health care. But the ACA is a whole lot better than what we had, and it was something that could actually happen. I’d love to see more forward progress on this issue, but for millions of Americans this was a HUGE step forward.

Realist, you say? Pshaw. Why, look at how easy-peasy they believe the Bernie groundswell will occur according to one of their commenters:

The key is getting at least 10 volunteers in 192,480 precincts, getting them organized rapidly, and having the ability to coordinate their efforts closely. And do it without a whole lost of financial cost. 1,924,800 volunteers.

Two million volunteers, spread evenly across every precinct in the county without spending any money. Why, they should be able to put that together before breakfast tomorrow!

239 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 31, 2015 4:31:04pm

re: #236 HappyWarrior

Are the Kentucky Dems preparing to run anyone good against Rand in 2016?

Busy with the governor’s race at the moment.

240 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 4:31:40pm

re: #239 Backwoods_Sleuth

Busy with the governor’s race at the moment.

Ah that’s right. You guys do it in odd years just like we do.

241 EPR-radar  May 31, 2015 4:33:26pm

re: #180 BeachDem

Not if you read some of the diaries over at the koskids place. They’re 100% convinced that Bernie is going to squash Hillary and ride to the presidency on a populist wave unicorn.

I like Bernie, and I admire their enthusiasm, but all of the populist paths they envision for Bernie assume that Hillary is doing nothing, has no ground game and no enthusiastic supporters. That couldn’t be further from the truth. She’s even got a massive ground operation in South Carolina—I’m having one of the interns stay at my house next month.

Some of the best news I’m seeing so far is that Clinton is running a proper primary campaign as opposed to taking things for granted and assuming a coronation is inevitable.

242 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 4:34:38pm

re: #241 EPR-radar

Some of the best news I’m seeing so far is that Clinton is running a proper primary campaign as opposed to taking things for granted and assuming a coronation is inevitable.

If that’s the case then I am glad. I was really turned off by her first campaign that definitely did that. I hope it’s caused her not only to be a better candidate but a better leader too.

243 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  May 31, 2015 4:35:42pm

Whoever was looking for UpChuck’s tweets at his vanity site: you can still find Google caches of them.

244 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 31, 2015 4:37:23pm

Have a Sherlock Holmes film from 2009 on the TV as background noise.
I am amused that the villain is the “Ginger Midget”.

245 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 31, 2015 4:40:10pm

re: #238 BeachDem

Realist, you say? Pshaw. Why, look at how easy-peasy they believe the Bernie groundswell will occur according to one of their commenters:

The key is getting at least 10 volunteers in 192,480 precincts, getting them organized rapidly, and having the ability to coordinate their efforts closely. And do it without a whole lost of financial cost. 1,924,800 volunteers.

Two million volunteers, spread evenly across every precinct in the county without spending any money. Why, they should be able to put that together before breakfast tomorrow!

LOL.

Ah, idealism.

246 Nyet  May 31, 2015 4:40:39pm

re: #243 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Whoever was looking for UpChuck’s tweets at his vanity site: you can still find Google caches of them.

Then there’s topsy.

topsy.com

247 BlueSpotinAL  May 31, 2015 4:42:36pm

Now the news for the hard of hearing: “Hugo Chavez is still dead!”

Seriously, the shelves in Venezuela are empty because of currency manipulation leading to official prices, and higher unofficial prices (black market).

248 Archangelus  May 31, 2015 4:43:20pm

Question for you fine folks: Seeing how Hillary has, in my humble opinion, the best chance for taking the Democratic nomination for 2016, who do you think will be her VP pick?

Personally, i’ve been mentally toying around with the thought of a joint Hillary/Sanders ticket, if only because the exploding-head reaction that would be seen across the RWNJ sphere would be amusing to watch…

249 BeachDem  May 31, 2015 4:43:26pm

re: #241 EPR-radar

Some of the best news I’m seeing so far is that Clinton is running a proper primary campaign as opposed to taking things for granted and assuming a coronation is inevitable.

Yeah, the intern who is probably staying with me is from Seattle. Can you imagine? Bringing somebody cross-country to work on her campaign in South Carolina? Hillary is not going to get caught flat-footed this time. South Carolina hurt her badly in 2008—she only took one county, and she hasn’t forgotten that!

250 Nyet  May 31, 2015 4:44:58pm

re: #247 BlueSpotinAL

Now the news for the hard of hearing: “Hugo Chavez is still dead!”

… but his cause lives on.

251 Dave In Austin  May 31, 2015 4:45:00pm
252 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 4:45:50pm

re: #248 Archangelus

Question for you fine folks: Seeing how Hillary has, in my humble opinion, the best chance for taking the Democratic nomination for 2016, who do you think will be her VP pick?

Personally, i’ve been mentally toying around with the thought of a joint Hillary/Sanders ticket, if only because the exploding-head reaction that would be seen across the RWNJ sphere would be amusing to watch…

Discussed it earlier but again Julian Castro. He’s young yet has some executive experience in and outside of Washington, he’s Latino, etc. I was really impressed with his DNC Keynote three years ago. He reminded me a lot of a young Obama honestly.I don’t see anyway it’s Sanders. I like him and hell I’m probably going to vote for him in the primary but it won’t be him.

253 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 4:46:12pm

re: #246 Nyet

Someone should inform Topsy…

254 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 4:48:17pm

re: #245 klys (maker of Silmarils)

LOL.

Ah, idealism.

You think that’s bad. In my idealistic days, I thought Dennis Kucinich had a real shot at being president.

255 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 4:49:23pm

re: #251 Dave In Austin

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This is about the NSA right? Didn’t see Todd objecting to this stuff when I dunno Bush was signing it. I am no fan of unwarranted surveillance programs but the narrative that Paul is pushing is dishonest and does not help the debate.

256 thedopefishlives  May 31, 2015 4:49:35pm

re: #254 HappyWarrior

You think that’s bad. In my idealistic days, I thought Dennis Kucinich had a real shot at being president.

We all thought some stupid things. I used to idolize Rush Limbaugh.

257 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 4:49:42pm

Staten Island

258 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 4:50:45pm

re: #256 thedopefishlives

We all thought some stupid things. I used to idolize Rush Limbaugh.

Heh isn’t it amazing how we all change. To be fair, this was before Kucinich basically became the favorite Congressman for dictatorships to use to bash the US. I also was of course 17 years old too.

259 Nyet  May 31, 2015 4:51:27pm

re: #256 thedopefishlives

We all thought some stupid things. I used to idolize Rush Limbaugh.

And Limbaugh used to be an honorary Lizard ;)

260 BeachDem  May 31, 2015 4:51:50pm

re: #252 HappyWarrior

Discussed it earlier but again Julian Castro. He’s young yet has some executive experience in and outside of Washington, he’s Latino, etc. I was really impressed with his DNC Keynote three years ago. He reminded me a lot of a young Obama honestly.

I’d be fine with Castro. And, depending on how badly O’Malley gets beat up during his presidential run, he might be okay—although I’ve seen a lot of negative stuff about him, particularly since the Baltimore police issues, and there doesn’t seem to be the enthusiasm about him that I saw earlier on the left. (That was before Bernie saddled up his unicorn.)

While Bernie as a VP choice would definitely cause the right to freak, I don’t think Hillary can afford to have a VP who’s 6 years older than she is.

261 BeachDem  May 31, 2015 4:53:10pm

re: #256 thedopefishlives

We all thought some stupid things. I used to idolize Rush Limbaugh.

Well now, that’s just downright depressing.
/

262 ObserverArt  May 31, 2015 4:53:37pm

re: #259 Nyet

And Limbaugh used to be an honorary Lizard ;)

Ugh!!!

263 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 4:55:06pm

re: #260 BeachDem

I’d be fine with Castro. And, depending on how badly O’Malley gets beat up during his presidential run, he might be okay—although I’ve seen a lot of negative stuff about him, particularly since the Baltimore police issues, and there doesn’t seem to be the enthusiasm about him that I saw earlier on the left. (That was before Bernie saddled up his unicorn.)

While Bernie as a VP choice would definitely cause the right to freak, I don’t think Hillary can afford to have a VP who’s 6 years older than she is.

She needs to go younger for a running mate. As for Marty, I don’t see him as VP material. I think he’s someone who should be considered cabinet material. He really doesn’t put much in play for Hillary that she doesn’t on her own i.e. Biden helping Obama with white working class and general white older voters and his state/region won’t be a problem for Hillary either. I don’t see Sanders as VP material. I’m trying to think though about who else would be good. I guess I wouldn’t mine my own state’s Tim Kaine but I suspect Hillary will and should go with someone with a more progressive reputation for a running mate.

264 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 4:55:13pm

re: #256 thedopefishlives

Yuch. Limpballs is a self-indulgent loudmouth even without the politics.

265 thedopefishlives  May 31, 2015 4:55:15pm

re: #261 BeachDem

Well now, that’s just downright depressing.
/

And now you know why I speak fluent wingnut. This was the environment I grew up in.

266 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 4:56:41pm

re: #265 thedopefishlives

And now you know why I speak fluent wingnut. This was the environment I grew up in.

I’m honestly curious about what his appeal was. Not to knock you since you’re obviously not a Dittohead anymore but everytime I hear that a guy I just feel for the people who listen to him and say “Right on Rush” because he’s such a nasty piece of shit.

267 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 4:57:29pm

Senate Majority Leader McConnell says House-passed USA Freedom Act has ‘serious flaws’ but is now ‘the only realistic way forward’ - @markknoller

Senate now voting to move forward on USA Freedom Act; 60 votes required - @markknoller

268 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 4:57:40pm

re: #264 Justanotherhuman

Yuch. Limpballs is a self-indulgent loudmouth even without the politics.

Well now you know why I didn’t really like Air America that much. I didn’t like the idea of the left trying to out-right wing the right on the talk radio front. I find talk radio hosts obnoxious by and large in the first place and I never liked many of them even the ones I agree with.

269 ObserverArt  May 31, 2015 4:59:15pm

re: #267 Justanotherhuman

Senate Majority Leader McConnell says House-passed USA Freedom Act has ‘serious flaws’ but is now ‘the only realistic way forward’ - @markknoller

Senate now voting to move forward on USA Freedom Act; 60 votes required - @markknoller

Enter Rand Paul stage left to upstage right!

270 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 5:00:02pm

Don’t know why but O’Malley strikes me as a good possible AG but Democratic AGs have been people like Holder, Lynch, and Reno more than elected officials. I don’t even know if Marty is a lawyer by training and that perhaps the only reason why I think of him as a possible AG is that his wife is a judge in Maryland.

271 thedopefishlives  May 31, 2015 5:00:42pm

re: #266 HappyWarrior

I’m honestly curious about what his appeal was. Not to knock you since you’re obviously not a Dittohead anymore but everytime I hear that a guy I just feel for the people who listen to him and say “Right on Rush” because he’s such a nasty piece of shit.

Honestly, it was because he was feeding our confirmation biases. We enjoyed listening to him talk shit about Democrats and stoke the fires of the Clinton conspiracy theories. He’s a pompous blowhard and a royal asshole, but for those who are content to sit inside the echo chamber, his words are a soothing balm.

272 Belafon  May 31, 2015 5:01:00pm

I debated on whether to reply to this picture on Facebook that maybe God hates gun ranges:

Garland Gun Range
273 Nyet  May 31, 2015 5:01:27pm

re: #262 ObserverArt

Think about it positively: some things change for the better. Much better.

274 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 5:04:28pm

re: #271 thedopefishlives

Honestly, it was because he was feeding our confirmation biases. We enjoyed listening to him talk shit about Democrats and stoke the fires of the Clinton conspiracy theories. He’s a pompous blowhard and a royal asshole, but for those who are content to sit inside the echo chamber, his words are a soothing balm.

Makes sense. Thanks for explaining. I just never could get his appeal but as I’ve often said, I was raised in a Democratic household so I wasn’t going to be exposed to him. I’ve only actually listened to his show a couple times really outside the excerpts that sometimes get posted here and that was because a bus driver used to play him on the way to community college when I commuted there and my iPod had run out of battery.

275 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 5:05:33pm

I always thought Savage was the worst of the talk radio bunch. Not that Rush is better in comp but I always had a special loathing for Savage after he said some shit about autistic children. For obvious reasons, that earns a special place in hell for me.

276 Lidane  May 31, 2015 5:08:47pm
277 BeachDem  May 31, 2015 5:09:57pm

re: #263 HappyWarrior

She needs to go younger for a running mate. As for Marty, I don’t see him as VP material. I think he’s someone who should be considered cabinet material. He really doesn’t put much in play for Hillary that she doesn’t on her own i.e. Biden helping Obama with white working class and general white older voters and his state/region won’t be a problem for Hillary either. I don’t see Sanders as VP material. I’m trying to think though about who else would be good. I guess I wouldn’t mine my own state’s Tim Kaine but I suspect Hillary will and should go with someone with a more progressive reputation for a running mate.

My heart would say Russ Feingold (my heart talks about him a lot!)
I think you’re probably right about O’Malley. I’m trying to think of somebody from a swing state—Kaine fills that bill, and he and Hillary are buds, but I can’t see it. Hmmm—Ohio, Florida, North Carolina—nobody comes to mind…

278 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 5:10:38pm

By way of Deray:

279 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 31, 2015 5:10:52pm

Really, he may not have any chance of winning, but he should not be ignored or minimized.

280 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 5:11:41pm

Pout much?

281 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 5:12:05pm

re: #280 Justanotherhuman

Pout much?

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Showboat much Rand?

282 Nyet  May 31, 2015 5:12:23pm

re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth

One of the reasons he doesn’t have a chance is the media culture. A vicious circle, as it were.

283 bratwurst  May 31, 2015 5:12:25pm

I am so sick of this nonsense:

Trump is not a candidate. He never has been…and he will NEVER EVER submit to the necessary financial disclosure requirements to become one.

284 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 5:12:32pm

Well, look who they give the press to.

The Big Loser today.

285 Lidane  May 31, 2015 5:13:46pm

Haha. This is awesome. Malkin is now tweeting at me to Correct teh record! about the photo.

She’s apparently decided to throw NRO under the bus.

286 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 5:14:15pm
287 thedopefishlives  May 31, 2015 5:14:44pm

re: #274 HappyWarrior

Makes sense. Thanks for explaining. I just never could get his appeal but as I’ve often said, I was raised in a Democratic household so I wasn’t going to be exposed to him. I’ve only actually listened to his show a couple times really outside the excerpts that sometimes get posted here and that was because a bus driver used to play him on the way to community college when I commuted there and my iPod had run out of battery.

He’s entertaining if you agree with him. For everyone else (read: sane people), he’s a loud-mouthed, obnoxious git.

288 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 31, 2015 5:14:52pm

re: #278 Justanotherhuman

By way of Deray:

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Massie, my creepy congresscritter (and I even know him, personally).
There’s talk here that if Rand gets the nom for president on the same ballot for Senate, Massie will run for his Senate seat.

Excuse me while I throw up…

289 Timothy Watson  May 31, 2015 5:15:03pm

re: #257 Justanotherhuman

Staten Island

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That’s it, I am never buying a used car that was ever in New York.

290 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 5:15:12pm

re: #277 BeachDem

My heart would say Russ Feingold (my heart talks about him a lot!)
I think you’re probably right about O’Malley. I’m trying to think of somebody from a swing state—Kaine fills that bill, and he and Hillary are buds, but I can’t see it. Hmmm—Ohio, Florida, North Carolina—nobody comes to mind…

I do think Kaine is a possibility and he has been vetted before. What would be unfortunate though is we would lose a Senator and I don’t want to open up any possibility of George “Macaca” Allen coming back or Eric Cantor and I have no idea who we’d run for Senate if it came to that since two of our three Congressmen are from bright blue Democratic areas and I don’t think Gerry Connolly has senate ambitions and he’s fairly old too. Having a hard time thinking of people from those three states who fit the bill. Maybe Debbie Wasserman Schultz but I doubt they’d go with a representative and I don’t know if they want the conversation to be about two women on the same ticket which would be unfair given hundreds of all male tickets but you know how sexism is.

291 goddamnedfrank  May 31, 2015 5:15:27pm
292 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 5:16:37pm

re: #285 Lidane

Haha. This is awesome. Malkin is now tweeting at me to Correct teh record! about the photo.

She’s apparently decided to throw NRO under the bus.

The wheels under Michele Malkin’s bus go round and round.

293 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 5:17:18pm

re: #291 goddamnedfrank

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Yeah it always amazed me that W was considered “tough” on terrorism while his Democratic opponents were not.

294 ObserverArt  May 31, 2015 5:17:35pm

re: #273 Nyet

Think about it positively: some things change for the better. Much better.

Ugh is just a generalized response for anything Rush.

295 BeachDem  May 31, 2015 5:17:45pm

re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Really, he may not have any chance of winning, but he should not be ignored or minimized.

I agree—the media are being total jerks about Bernie. He is certainly more relevant than Carly Fiorina or Donald Trump or several of the other wingnut quasi-candidates.

He’s an actual candidate; has a real record to review; talks about issues; draws big crowds, and the media morons would rather cover Carly Fiorina holding an idiotic 10-minute press conference outside the hotel where Hillary is speaking. It does really piss me off.

296 Eric The Fruit Bat  May 31, 2015 5:17:59pm

To: Editorial Staff, National Review
Sub: Ask Venezuelans How Sanders-Style Socialism Is Working Out for Them

Is it the corporate policy of National Review to use doctored photographs from contributors in articles?

What procedures will you take in the future to insure such deceit will not occurr again? And what action will you take against the contributor who clearly lied when they submitted this article with the associated photograph?

297 Nyet  May 31, 2015 5:18:27pm

Meltdown!

298 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 5:18:36pm

re: #287 thedopefishlives

He’s entertaining if you agree with him. For everyone else (read: sane people), he’s a loud-mouthed, obnoxious git.

YEah as I said, unlike you I didn’t grow up in a conservative household so it’s my own bias telling me that I would find Limbaugh repugnant even if I had. I am just astonished that the guy’s still doing the same old thing after over 20 years. He was doing the same crap he is now over 20 years ago. I guess what I am trying to say is I am astonished that more conservatives don’t see him as the con man he is.

299 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 31, 2015 5:18:54pm
300 Nyet  May 31, 2015 5:19:15pm

re: #294 ObserverArt

Well deserved too.

301 thedopefishlives  May 31, 2015 5:20:04pm

re: #298 HappyWarrior

As you’ve probably gathered, conservatives as a bunch are generally extremely predisposed to confirmation bias. It comes along with the typical right-wing authoritarian indoctrination.

302 BeachDem  May 31, 2015 5:20:09pm

re: #283 bratwurst

I am so sick of this nonsense:

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Trump is not a candidate. He never has been…and he will NEVER EVER submit to the necessary financial disclosure requirements to become one.

Notice the headline doesn’t mention that the runner-up in 2012, Santorum, would also be ineligible.

303 Nyet  May 31, 2015 5:20:16pm
304 Timothy Watson  May 31, 2015 5:20:30pm

re: #297 Nyet

Meltdown!

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Irony just committed suicide:

305 Nyet  May 31, 2015 5:22:03pm

8)

306 Higgs Boson's Mate  May 31, 2015 5:22:07pm

re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Really, he may not have any chance of winning, but he should not be ignored or minimized.

Agreed. For all of the acreage that the media gives every last hopeless shitbird who’s thrown his or her hat into the ring on the Republican side, stinting Bernie is bullshit.

This is a far cry from when Perot raised his grizzled head. I thought that he was a crank from the beginning. The media chose to give him a great ride.

His running mate, VIce Admiral James Stockdale, earned a permanent place in my esteem with his words, “Who am I? Why am I here?” at the opening of the vice presidential debate.

About Admiral Stockdale, courtesy of Wikipedia:

Flying from USS Oriskany on a mission over North Vietnam on September 9, 1965, Stockdale ejected from his Douglas A-4E Skyhawk, which had been struck by enemy fire and completely disabled. He parachuted into a small village, where he was severely beaten and taken prisoner.

Stockdale was held as a prisoner of war in the Hoa Lo prison (popularly known as the Hanoi Hilton) for the next seven and a half years. As the senior Naval officer, he was one of the primary organizers of prisoner resistance. Tortured routinely and denied medical attention for the severely damaged leg he suffered during capture, Stockdale created and enforced a code of conduct for all prisoners which governed torture, secret communications, and behavior. In the summer of 1969, he was locked in leg irons in a bath stall and routinely tortured and beaten. When told by his captors that he was to be paraded in public, Stockdale slit his scalp with a razor to purposely disfigure himself so that his captors could not use him as propaganda. When they covered his head with a hat, he beat himself with a stool until his face was swollen beyond recognition. When Stockdale was discovered with information that could implicate his friends’ “black activities”, he slit his wrists so they could not torture him into confession.

Interesting.

307 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 5:22:12pm

re: #297 Nyet

Meltdown!

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Didn’t she, she who famously defended internment of the Japanese Americans during WWII clam he would have Soviet style gulags? The photo itself is not her individual fault but as the writer of the piece, she should have noticed something was up with the photo. If a bunch of regular schmos like us can notice something was amok than surely a “journalist” like MM can but as I said the wheels under MM’s bus go round and round.

308 thedopefishlives  May 31, 2015 5:22:22pm

re: #304 Timothy Watson

What in the living hell. I mean, I know she practically lives in the deep end of the pool, but it sounds like somebody really struck a nerve.

309 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 5:24:14pm

re: #304 Timothy Watson

Irony just committed suicide:

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She’s one to complain about race baiting given her connections to the racist NRO and VDARE. No one has used her race when discussing this joke of an article. Funny how it’s okay for her to be prejudiced against Japanese-Americans but anyone who criticizes Michele is being racist. Isn’t that exactly what cons accuse President Obama of doing? Except he never does that but it’s what Michele Malkin does it when anyone calls her out for being a dishonest nut.

310 Lidane  May 31, 2015 5:24:59pm

You’ve got to be fucking kidding me:

311 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 5:25:05pm

wow thank you Mr. Pencil, I am really off today. No caffeine at all today.

312 Decatur Deb  May 31, 2015 5:25:11pm

re: #297 Nyet

Meltdown!

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She might be FUBAHR, but at least she has a blue check.

313 ThirtyBirdy  May 31, 2015 5:25:50pm
Malkin article through Disqus with alternate pic

Curious, that accessing the article through disqus displays a different pic.

314 EPR-radar  May 31, 2015 5:25:55pm

re: #298 HappyWarrior

YEah as I said, unlike you I didn’t grow up in a conservative household so it’s my own bias telling me that I would find Limbaugh repugnant even if I had. I am just astonished that the guy’s still doing the same old thing after over 20 years. He was doing the same crap he is now over 20 years ago. I guess what I am trying to say is I am astonished that more conservatives don’t see him as the con man he is.

Why would they? As indicated upthread, confirmation bias is a sufficient explanation. And for Conservatives, Limbaugh is not a con man. He’s telling it like it is (from their POV).

315 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 31, 2015 5:26:30pm

I sent him links to the two tweets posted here at LGF, he favorited my response, then he tweeted this:

hahaha!

316 jaunte  May 31, 2015 5:26:31pm

re: #310 Lidane

How much do you think we’ll have to pay to ship it down here?

317 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 5:27:09pm

re: #314 EPR-radar

Why would they? As indicated upthread, confirmation bias is a sufficient explanation. And for Conservatives, Limbaugh is not a con man. He’s telling it like it is (from their POV).

True that.

318 freetoken  May 31, 2015 5:27:10pm

re: #313 ThirtyBirdy

More fundamentally, if they want to show shelf stores from socialist countries, why not show store shelves from Sweden?

319 ObserverArt  May 31, 2015 5:27:18pm

Damn…there are vibes of Chucky in some of Malkin’s tweets.

Fear Me. Fear My Words. Fear My Bile!

320 Nyet  May 31, 2015 5:28:44pm

Malkin is Unhinged.

321 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 5:28:46pm

re: #313 ThirtyBirdy

The online version still has the dirty Walmart photo they used.

322 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 5:29:09pm

re: #318 freetoken

More fundamentally, if they want to show shelf stores from socialist countries, why not show store shelves from Sweden?

Image: 220px-Stefan_L%C3%B6fven_edited_and_cropped.jpg
This guy isn’t as scary as Hugo Chavez or Maduro to NRO’s readers.

323 ThirtyBirdy  May 31, 2015 5:29:43pm

re: #321 Justanotherhuman

I know, I’m wondering why the pic is different through Disqus.

324 goddamnedfrank  May 31, 2015 5:29:49pm
325 ThirtyBirdy  May 31, 2015 5:30:35pm

re: #318 freetoken

Or just show empty shelves from Venezuela. Pics are readily available through Google.

326 freetoken  May 31, 2015 5:31:14pm

re: #325 ThirtyBirdy

But tying Bernie Sanders to Venezuela in the first place is a fallacy.

327 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 5:31:43pm

She’s ignoring that the picture isn’t the only problem here. It’s her pathetic claim that Sanders is a Chavez like minded individual with nothing at all to back it up. She and NRO want you to believe that there are no democratic and functioning socialist style economic systems out there so they go with Venezuela, a favorite boogeyman to use to strike up the fears.

328 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 5:32:12pm

So, Rand Paul knew the fix was in?

US Senate is not expected to hold any more votes tonight; Patriot Act provisions set to expire at 12 am ET - @frankthorpNBC

329 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 5:32:17pm

re: #326 freetoken

But tying Bernie Sanders to Venezuela in the first place is a fallacy.

Precisely.

330 BeachDem  May 31, 2015 5:33:13pm

re: #306 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Agreed. For all of the acreage that the media gives every last hopeless shitbird who’s thrown his or her hat into the ring on the Republican side, stinting Bernie is bullshit.

This is a far cry from when Perot raised his grizzled head. I thought that he was a crank from the beginning. The media chose to give him a great ride.

His running mate, VIce Admiral James Stockdale, earned a permanent place in my esteem with his words, “Who am I? Why am I here?” at the opening of the vice presidential debate.

About Admiral Stockdale, courtesy of Wikipedia:

Interesting.

The way the media treated Stockdale was really the last straw for me. He was an incredible man, a courageous, unbreakable POW in Vietnam, and brilliant. The media, in their lazy asshole way, chose to make fun of him and belittle him, and I have never gotten over it.

The book “In Love and War,” written by him and his wife about his POW experience and her work on the homefront to help POWs and their families, is worth the read.

amazon.com

I had read it before he was picked for VP, and the way they treated him totally infuriated me.

331 Belafon  May 31, 2015 5:34:07pm

re: #310 Lidane

You’ve got to be fucking kidding me:

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I almost agreed with you and then I saw this:

Through investment funds tied to its public universities and other entities, Texas has $1 billion-plus in gold currently stored in other states.

332 jaunte  May 31, 2015 5:34:25pm

Rand, center of the universe.

333 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 5:34:43pm

re: #330 BeachDem

The way the media treated Stockdale was really the last straw for me. He was an incredible man, a courageous, unbreakable POW in Vietnam, and brilliant. The media, in their lazy asshole way, chose to make fun of him and belittle him, and I have never gotten over it.

The book “In Love and War,” written by him and his wife about his POW experience and her work on the homefront to help POWs and their families, is worth the read.

amazon.com

I had read it before he was picked for VP, and the way they treated him totally infuriated me.

I made the mistake of making a crack at him regarding the famous “Who am I” moment and my international relations professor thankfully corrected me. The media really is a disgrace in this country. They’re a big part of the problem.

334 Decatur Deb  May 31, 2015 5:34:52pm

re: #328 Justanotherhuman

So, Rand Paul knew the fix was in?

US Senate is not expected to hold any more votes tonight; Patriot Act provisions set to expire at 12 am ET - @frankthorpNBC

Patriot Act was sloppy overkill, but it’s a disgrace that it dies, not as policy, but because of our inability to govern ourselves.

335 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 5:35:06pm

re: #332 jaunte

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Rand, center of the universe.

Rand Paul: Drama Queen.

336 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 31, 2015 5:35:11pm
337 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 5:35:12pm

This reminds me of the beat up old small pickup I saw the other day driving the Munchkin to school that had Confed flag on one side and a S&S on the other—the same size as these.

338 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 5:35:56pm

re: #334 Decatur Deb

Exactly.

339 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 5:36:04pm

re: #336 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’s a hack.

340 jaunte  May 31, 2015 5:36:09pm

re: #335 HappyWarrior

Because Rand Paul is the first thing people will think of if there’s a terrorist attack.

341 Teukka  May 31, 2015 5:36:21pm

re: #318 freetoken

More fundamentally, if they want to show shelf stores from socialist countries, why not show store shelves from Sweden?

Because there aren’t empty store shelves here, most stores are fully stocked.

342 thedopefishlives  May 31, 2015 5:36:40pm

re: #341 Teukka

Because there aren’t empty store shelves here, most stores are fully stocked.

Damn socialists

343 ObserverArt  May 31, 2015 5:37:14pm

re: #336 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wow. Cesca’s going for the kill.

And it’s early!

344 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 5:37:22pm

re: #337 Justanotherhuman

This reminds me of the beat up old small pickup I saw the other day driving the Munchkin to school that had Confed flag on one side and a S&S on the other—the same size as these.

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OFFS y’all are from New Jersey. It’s always upset me more for some reason when I see rebel flags in states that stayed with the Union especially when I’ve been in the Antietam and Gettysburg area.

345 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 5:37:39pm

re: #340 jaunte

Because Rand Paul is the first thing people will think of if there’s a terrorist attack.

ZOMG RAND PAUL IS A MUSLIM!

346 Charles Johnson  May 31, 2015 5:38:34pm

It’s a right wing food fight, folks!

They’re going at it tooth and nail. Langdale is a wacko who used to be a fan of Chuck Johnson, but now hates him.

347 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 31, 2015 5:38:59pm

re: #343 ObserverArt

Wow. Cesca’s going for the kill.

And it’s early!

And Cesca is not letting up anytime soon.

348 Charles Johnson  May 31, 2015 5:39:40pm

Notice that Malkin is just completely ignoring me and tweeting to everyone else. LOL

349 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 31, 2015 5:40:15pm
350 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 5:41:09pm

I feel sorry for anyone who actually believes Rand Paul values liberty.

351 jaunte  May 31, 2015 5:41:15pm
352 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 5:41:38pm

re: #344 HappyWarrior

No, we’re in NC.

But the photo is from Jersey, and if you read the “Philly” story, you’ll find it’s there, also.

Not surprising to me, since the working class neighborhood I lived in ove r 40 yrs ago in Philly had a NeoNazi group that met in the rear of a corner grocery in the neighborhood.

353 Eric The Fruit Bat  May 31, 2015 5:42:19pm

re: #346 Charles Johnson

Now that we know that, then National Review is 100% on the hook for their placement of the hacked photo.

This could get real interesting real quick.

354 ObserverArt  May 31, 2015 5:42:33pm

re: #350 HappyWarrior

I feel sorry for anyone who actually believes Rand Paul values liberty.

You went that little bit too far.

355 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 5:42:38pm

re: #352 Justanotherhuman

No, we’re in NC.

But the photo is from Jersey, and if you read the “Philly” story, you’ll find it’s there, also.

Not surprising to me, since the working class neighborhood I lived in ove r 40 yrs ago in Philly had a NeoNazi group that met in the rear of a corner grocery in the neighborhood.

I was referring to the twats in the photo. I know that Camden is in New Jersey.

356 Decatur Deb  May 31, 2015 5:42:45pm

re: #351 jaunte

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I miss Michele Bachmann, but at least we still have the eyes.

357 Teukka  May 31, 2015 5:42:52pm

re: #342 thedopefishlives

Damn socialists

All propaganda, I tells ya, all propaganda! Lib and soshulist media lie!!!!!1!

I get ya
*SMH*

358 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 5:43:17pm

re: #353 Eric The Fruit Bat

Now that we know that, then National Review is 100% on the hook for their placement of the hacked photo.

This could get real interesting real quick.

They’ll probably throw Malkin under the bus and we’ll have a bus full of wingnuts underneath them.

359 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 5:43:45pm

re: #356 Decatur Deb

I miss Michele Bachmann, but at least we still have the eyes.

Beware the eyes of March.

360 ThirtyBirdy  May 31, 2015 5:44:14pm

re: #348 Charles Johnson

She explained that she has no control over the pics used for publication of her syndicated “column” so all she had to do was reply that she would contact NRO and ask them to remove a doctored pic that damages her integrity. Instead, she chose to battle a few random Twitter users who pointed out that her integrity was in jeopardy. Then, she tweets that her “Sunday night lesson in squashing false smears is over.” Yeah, that makes sense.

361 Higgs Boson's Mate  May 31, 2015 5:44:17pm

re: #346 Charles Johnson

Away with it you cannot get and fuck with me.

What an age I live in.

362 jaunte  May 31, 2015 5:44:18pm

Malkin is fine with the fake photo, but doesn’t like “smears.”

363 Charles Johnson  May 31, 2015 5:44:20pm
364 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 5:44:31pm

re: #355 HappyWarrior

I was referring to the twats in the photo. I know that Camden is in New Jersey.

Haha, maybe they’re from Camden, SC. Originally. The venue was a some kind of country music event on a local radio station in or near Camden.

365 freetoken  May 31, 2015 5:44:38pm

re: #358 HappyWarrior

I doubt NRO actually cares. They exist for webhits. That’s why they kept Derbyshire onboard for so long.

366 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 5:44:44pm

re: #351 jaunte

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You’d think someone whose father was in Congress for years would be aware of these rules.

367 thedopefishlives  May 31, 2015 5:45:18pm

re: #366 HappyWarrior

You’d think someone whose father was in Congress for years would be aware of these rules.

Oh, he’s probably aware of them. But what does he care? Rules don’t apply when you’re doing God’s work, remember?

368 Higgs Boson's Mate  May 31, 2015 5:45:40pm

re: #366 HappyWarrior

You’d think someone whose father was in Congress for years would be aware of these rules.

Rules don’t apply to Iron Rand!

369 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 5:45:51pm

re: #364 Justanotherhuman

Haha, maybe they’re from Camden, SC. Originally. The venue was a some kind of country music event on a local radio station in or near Camden.

Nah, it was Camden, NJ. I forgot that there was a Camden, SC too though.

370 freetoken  May 31, 2015 5:45:51pm

re: #356 Decatur Deb

I miss Michele Bachmann, but at least we still have the eyes.

You want eyes? Here are some eyes:

…

Homeschool mom who debunked evolution visits Ken Ham’s creationism museum: ‘It’s pretty convincing’

371 ObserverArt  May 31, 2015 5:46:00pm

re: #363 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson @Green_Footballs

.@michellemalkin is tweeting furiously at everyone else, but completely ignoring me. It’s a hoot. Do I actually exist?
8:41 PM - 31 May 2015

You are irrelevant damn it!!!

372 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 5:46:05pm

re: #365 freetoken

I doubt NRO actually cares. They exist for webhits. That’s why they kept Derbyshire onboard for so long.

Yeah no doubt.

373 Charles Johnson  May 31, 2015 5:46:20pm
374 thedopefishlives  May 31, 2015 5:46:30pm

re: #356 Decatur Deb

I miss Michele Bachmann, but at least we still have the eyes.

Come up here and visit. She’s a regular guest (or at least, she was; now that she’s retired she may no longer have sufficient power/influence to be welcome anymore) at the local megachurch.

375 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 5:47:09pm

re: #369 HappyWarrior

Nah, it was Camden, NJ. I forgot that there was a Camden, SC too though.

Haha, I meant the country music venue was in Jersey.

376 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 5:47:17pm

re: #362 jaunte

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Malkin is fine with the fake photo, but doesn’t like “smears.”

Michelle, we all know you’re not 25 years old. Really I only first heard of this nut when she defended the internment of the Japanese-Americans during WWII which actually is a fair criticism of FDR’s legacy but MM being a good conservative authoritarian decided to defend that.

377 Eric The Fruit Bat  May 31, 2015 5:47:25pm

re: #363 Charles Johnson

You must carry a “anti” spell of some sort. It’s the only explanation. In which case, i’d say, engage.

378 Decatur Deb  May 31, 2015 5:47:54pm

re: #370 freetoken

You want eyes? Here are some eyes:

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Video

Homeschool mom who debunked evolution visits Ken Ham’s creationism museum: ‘It’s pretty convincing’

“I like this movie”.

380 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 31, 2015 5:49:18pm
381 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 5:49:25pm

re: #375 Justanotherhuman

Haha, I meant the country music venue was in Jersey.

Ohhh I see. But yeah I just don’t get northerners who wave the rebel flag. I’ve been to Sharpsburg(closest town where the battle of Antietam happened) and Gettysburg and there’s always been plenty of CSA flags in the area and I just don’t for the life of me get why. Hence the OFFS y’all are from New Jersey. I’m very proud of my German born, Pennsylvania residing great great grandfather who fought for the Union.I really think he was in the end more patriotic than the “noble” Southern generals who seceded.

382 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 5:49:32pm

re: #378 Decatur Deb

That quote tells you a lot about this country and the level of some people’s intelligence.

383 ObserverArt  May 31, 2015 5:49:40pm

re: #370 freetoken

You want eyes? Here are some eyes:

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This woman scares me.

And there are more like her out there.

S-S-SHUDDER-R-R

384 ThirtyBirdy  May 31, 2015 5:49:59pm

re: #379 Charles Johnson

LOL do you think Malkin muted you?

385 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 31, 2015 5:50:13pm
386 weave  May 31, 2015 5:50:35pm

Oh look, one of her minions finally allegedly found a real photo of a pic of empty shelves in Venezuela. She could have come here and found the ones posted two hours ago and saved time.

Oh well, “she wins.” Checkmate LGF!

387 goddamnedfrank  May 31, 2015 5:51:27pm
388 Bubblehead II  May 31, 2015 5:51:36pm

Night Lizards. Charles, just an idea. Since we are more or less tied into twitter, how about a button that lets us tweet said post?

389 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 5:52:14pm

re: #386 weave

Oh look, one of her minions finally allegedly found a real photo of a pic of empty shelves in Venezuela. She could have come here and found the ones posted two hours ago and saved time.

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Oh well, “she wins.” Checkmate LGF!

She’s pathetic and a very immature person.

390 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 5:52:59pm

re: #387 goddamnedfrank

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It’s your usual conservative personal responsibility, scream at those who call you out on your bullshit and then pat yourself on the pat for being a conservative because conservatism is just the greatest thing ever.

391 goddamnedfrank  May 31, 2015 5:53:20pm

re: #387 goddamnedfrank

I swear, wingnuts like Malkin just can’t NOT be riled up about shit.

392 Charles Johnson  May 31, 2015 5:53:40pm

re: #384 ThirtyBirdy

LOL do you think Malkin muted you?

Maybe. She’s been deliberately shunning me for years, like most right wing bloggers, because they don’t like what I stand for — somebody who saw through their bullshit, walked away from it, and now criticizes them mercilessly.

393 darthstar  May 31, 2015 5:55:39pm

What’s up with all the flooding? Just because Texas did it doesn’t mean everyone else has to. Shit.

394 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 31, 2015 5:56:31pm

re: #393 darthstar

What’s up with all the flooding? Just because Texas did it doesn’t mean everyone else has to. Shit.

On the other hand, if we got in on the action here I wouldn’t complain.

I’ll post photos when I tie the floaties to the cats though.

395 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 31, 2015 5:56:53pm

It’s a five alarm fire now.

396 Charles Johnson  May 31, 2015 5:57:04pm
397 Higgs Boson's Mate  May 31, 2015 5:57:16pm

re: #393 darthstar

What’s up with all the flooding? Just because Texas did it doesn’t mean everyone else has to. Shit.

California raises its hand.

398 thedopefishlives  May 31, 2015 5:58:42pm

re: #395 Backwoods_Sleuth

Prayers to the New York lizards.

399 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 31, 2015 5:59:01pm

re: #396 Charles Johnson

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Shannon finally woke up.

400 Kragar  May 31, 2015 6:00:29pm

re: #396 Charles Johnson

401 Charles Johnson  May 31, 2015 6:00:43pm
402 darthstar  May 31, 2015 6:01:44pm

re: #397 Higgs Boson’s Mate

California raises its hand.

i know, we need the water. We needed the snow. All the other states get snow and bitch about it, then they get rain and bitch about it. Give us a lake filling deluge and we’ll be dancing around naked and happy as shit - even after a few of our low-lying friends and family are washed away.

403 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 6:02:10pm

re: #396 Charles Johnson

Also, this, from Weev: “I’m an ardent nationalist, and a lot of Chuck’s politics are quite different from mine.”

storify.com

His neck is on the Twitter block now.

404 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 6:03:49pm

So Weev is a nationalist, a white supremacist…

Need I say more?

405 Mattand  May 31, 2015 6:04:58pm

re: #337 Justanotherhuman

This reminds me of the beat up old small pickup I saw the other day driving the Munchkin to school that had Confed flag on one side and a S&S on the other—the same size as these.

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OH FOR FUCK’S SAKE…

I was hoping that was not my Camden and some other one, but that looks a lot like the Ben Franklin Bridge in the background. Idiots…

Said it before, will say it again: anyone flying a rebel flag in South Jersey is either a straight up racist, or is too fucking deluded to admit it.

406 jaunte  May 31, 2015 6:04:58pm
407 freetoken  May 31, 2015 6:06:13pm

re: #386 weave

Or, they could read about how nasty (not) “socialism” is in a country like Norway, which is barely socialist on a global scale but redistributes its wealth much better than the US:

In Norway, Start-ups Say Ja to Socialism

408 Charles Johnson  May 31, 2015 6:06:28pm

re: #403 Justanotherhuman

He seems nice.

409 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 31, 2015 6:06:31pm

no words for what an asshole he is:

…

(there’s a transcipt at the link if you don’t want to listen to him rant this fantasy)

410 Kragar  May 31, 2015 6:06:32pm

re: #401 Charles Johnson

Chuck Johnson: “Yo brah, I’ll suck your dick for a Twitter account.”

411 freetoken  May 31, 2015 6:07:27pm

You want to know why NRO and Malkin really compares Sanders to Venezuela and not Sweden or Norway?

Because BROWN PEOPLE!, that’s why.

412 Mattand  May 31, 2015 6:07:55pm

re: #409 Backwoods_Sleuth

no words for what an asshole he is:

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(there’s a transcipt at the link if you don’t want to listen to him rant this fantasy)

LOL, “asshole” will serve nicely. If you want, add “Egotistical” and “Monomaniacal” to the front.

413 Kragar  May 31, 2015 6:08:19pm

re: #406 jaunte

414 Justanotherhuman  May 31, 2015 6:10:02pm

Later, Lizards!

Keep calm…

415 Great White Snark  May 31, 2015 6:10:19pm

How can you tell a bill is a con job? when it has a name like “USA Freedom Act”, which continues certain extraordinary powers of surveillance. Titled as if it was a bill that expanded civil protections.

SMH.

cnn.com

416 goddamnedfrank  May 31, 2015 6:11:18pm

Chuck welded his ban shut and then cemented over it with his multiple account stunt and his lawyer’s insane clownshoes of a cease and desist legal demand letter. Twitter absolutely cannot afford to capitulate to that kind of behavior or their legal department will become inundated with nuisance suits brought by sociopathic trolls. His whole “They’ll give me back my account or we will go to war” ultimatum reads like a terroristic threat, not the kind of statement any sane organization would ever reward.

417 Charles Johnson  May 31, 2015 6:12:25pm

re: #416 goddamnedfrank

By the way, he finally got charlescjohnson.com back online.

418 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 6:13:27pm

re: #411 freetoken

You want to know why NRO and Malkin really compares Sanders to Venezuela and not Sweden or Norway?

Because BROWN PEOPLE!, that’s why.

I was thinking the same thing CHAVEZ gets their blood boiling more than Löfven

419 freetoken  May 31, 2015 6:13:52pm

Wow, the tweets on this story jumped from 600-something to over 900 rather quickly.

420 thedopefishlives  May 31, 2015 6:14:48pm

re: #417 Charles Johnson

By the way, he finally got charlescjohnson.com back online.

He’s desperate to be heard. Too bad nobody wants to listen to his tripe.

421 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 6:15:23pm

re: #408 Charles Johnson

He seems nice.

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422 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 31, 2015 6:15:58pm

niterz, lizardz!

423 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 6:16:21pm

re: #412 Mattand

LOL, “asshole” will serve nicely. If you want, add “Egotistical” and “Monomaniacal” to the front.

Shameless. Frank Gallagher’s got nothing on Rand Paul.

424 freetoken  May 31, 2015 6:17:47pm

So, I see that Fox’s Kelly is going to interview Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar.

While it is no surprise they chose Fox, I wonder how comfortable Jim Bob will be talking to a woman?

And, what’s the chance that Kelly will ask the real questions, like why Jim Bob didn’t act faster to protect his daughters?

425 goddamnedfrank  May 31, 2015 6:17:53pm

re: #417 Charles Johnson

By the way, he finally got charlescjohnson.com back online.

Private Comment

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426 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 6:21:58pm

re: #424 freetoken

So, I see that Fox’s Kelly is going to interview Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar.

While it is no surprise they chose Fox, I wonder how comfortable Jim Bob will be talking to a woman?

And, what’s the chance that Kelly will ask the real questions, like why Jim Bob didn’t act faster to protect his daughters?

Kelly sometimes does surprise but I won’t be shocked if it’s a softball interview and FNC tries to make the Duggars critics the “real bad guys.”

427 thedopefishlives  May 31, 2015 6:23:34pm

re: #426 HappyWarrior

Kelly sometimes does surprise but I won’t be shocked if it’s a softball interview and FNC tries to make the Duggars critics the “real bad guys.”

They almost have no choice. There’s a reason the Duggars went to Faux News.

428 Joe Bacon  May 31, 2015 6:23:40pm

re: #277 BeachDem

My heart would say Russ Feingold (my heart talks about him a lot!)
I think you’re probably right about O’Malley. I’m trying to think of somebody from a swing state—Kaine fills that bill, and he and Hillary are buds, but I can’t see it. Hmmm—Ohio, Florida, North Carolina—nobody comes to mind…

I’m thinking that Hillary will pick Sherrod Brown for VP especially if Kaisich gets the GOP nomination…

429 ThirtyBirdy  May 31, 2015 6:23:56pm

re: #424 freetoken

Or question Jebthro about is political campaign when he stated his position that incest should be a capital crime.

.

430 freetoken  May 31, 2015 6:25:46pm
431 ThirtyBirdy  May 31, 2015 6:26:17pm

re: #424 freetoken

Or question Michelle about her ridiculous and hyperbolic robo call.

432 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 6:26:22pm

re: #429 ThirtyBirdy

Or question Jebthro about is political campaign when he stated his position that incest should be a capital crime.

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I’d be shocked if Kelly asked him about that. I would love for someone to ask him though just to see the look on his face.

433 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 6:27:10pm

re: #431 ThirtyBirdy

Or question Michelle about her ridiculous and hyperbolic robo call.

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These two really are nasty people. Although their adult children are bigots too, I feel sorry for them since they’re victims of these two bigots and the culture they brought them up in.

434 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 6:27:54pm

re: #427 thedopefishlives

They almost have no choice. There’s a reason the Duggars went to Faux News.

Yeah I suspect you are right.

435 Charles Johnson  May 31, 2015 6:28:38pm

re: #425 goddamnedfrank

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436 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 6:28:58pm

I would seriously be tempted to ask what they would have done if they found Josh making out with another boy who wasn’t part of the family. Somehow I don’t think Josh would be “forgiven” if he were gay the way he has been for being a molester.

437 freetoken  May 31, 2015 6:29:13pm

re: #434 HappyWarrior

Well, they could have gone to CBN or TBN or something like that, but Fox has a wider audience.

438 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 6:30:24pm

re: #437 freetoken

Well, they could have gone to CBN or TBN or something like that, but Fox has a wider audience.

Right. Maybe Megyn will pleasantly surprise us but the cynic in me expects softballs and at the very least attempts to make them sympathetic.

439 freetoken  May 31, 2015 6:32:26pm

BTW, when searching twitter for “national review”, guess what comes up as the top of the “Top” results?

440 Charles Johnson  May 31, 2015 6:34:09pm

re: #439 freetoken

BTW, when searching twitter for “national review”, guess what comes up as the top of the “Top” results?

Oh yes, this makes me smile.

441 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 6:34:51pm

re: #440 Charles Johnson

Oh yes, this makes me smile.

Well earned.

442 freetoken  May 31, 2015 6:37:36pm

re: #438 HappyWarrior

Right. Maybe Megyn will pleasantly surprise us but the cynic in me expects softballs and at the very least attempts to make them sympathetic.

Cynical me expects the LIBRUL MEDIA OUT TO GET SCALPS approach.

443 ThirtyBirdy  May 31, 2015 6:37:59pm

re: #436 HappyWarrior

They could answer why they didn’t follow their Bible, Romans 13: 1-7 for example or Deuteronomy 22: 28-29 that states their son must pay the their father 250 shekels for the violation(s).

444 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 6:38:32pm

re: #442 freetoken

Cynical me expects the LIBRUL MEDIA OUT TO GET SCALPS approach.

Same.

445 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 6:39:09pm

re: #443 ThirtyBirdy

They could answer why they didn’t follow their Bible, Romans 13: 1-7 for example or Deuteronomy 22: 28-29 that states their son must pay the their father 250 shekels for the violation(s).

Maybe they thought 250 shekels was a PR job at the FRC.//

446 RealityBasedSteve  May 31, 2015 6:40:57pm

re: #443 ThirtyBirdy

They could answer why they didn’t follow their Bible, Romans 13: 1-7 for example or Deuteronomy 22: 28-29 that states their son must pay the their father 250 shekels for the violation(s).

Are those old shekels or new shekels? If you have bronze ones that have tarnished, is that “Sheckel Green”?

I’m here for the week folks, tell your friends.

RBS

447 ThirtyBirdy  May 31, 2015 6:41:56pm

re: #446 RealityBasedSteve

The standard silver ones. LOL

448 Charles Johnson  May 31, 2015 6:43:08pm
449 stpaulbear  May 31, 2015 6:44:22pm

re: #443 ThirtyBirdy

They could answer why they didn’t follow their Bible, Romans 13: 1-7 for example or Deuteronomy 22: 28-29 that states their son must pay the their father 250 shekels for the violation(s).

Maybe he did but we just haven’t heard about it…

450 RealityBasedSteve  May 31, 2015 6:45:34pm

re: #448 Charles Johnson

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Some Irrelevant guy with a little read blog that was a Liberal plant pretending to be a conservative and then turned against his friends? (did I miss any of their talking points?)

Well done Charles. You stand upon the field, your opponents vanquished and fleeing.

RBS

451 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 6:47:54pm

Bet they won’t be apologizing for the photo or for calling Senator Sanders a Stalinist either but don’t you dare point out conservatism’s including NRO itself’s links to sexism and racism. NRO really is a shitty magazine. I enjoy ragging on it whenever we get the chance to and they make our job easy.

452 bratwurst  May 31, 2015 6:50:02pm
453 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 6:51:50pm

re: #452 bratwurst

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12:03 AM: Christian bakers are forced to serve gay Muslim couples sausage cakes.

454 thedopefishlives  May 31, 2015 6:53:34pm

re: #452 bratwurst

Oh, dear God, please tell me this twit isn’t serious.

455 Charles Johnson  May 31, 2015 6:55:02pm
456 thedopefishlives  May 31, 2015 6:56:05pm

re: #455 Charles Johnson

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He strikes me as that guy who likes to listen to himself talk.

457 goddamnedfrank  May 31, 2015 6:56:07pm

re: #452 bratwurst

12:02am - Starbucks closes, re-opens as chain of victory mosques

I’m okay with that. I’ve become addicted to their double smoked bacon sandwiches and need to kick the habit.

458 freetoken  May 31, 2015 6:56:11pm

In case anyone missed the slippery-slope ride yesterday, Ross Douthat goes for the ride:

The Prospects for Polygamy

Yeah, he went there, and now the religious right bloggers are hopping on the train.

Perhaps we owe the Mormons an apology?

What little I’ve thought through on this, I think we will eventually end up with what I’ll label the “Domestic Covenant”. In such a Covenant two people (gender unnecessary) agree to raise a household, but additional members may be added to such a covenant if all agree.

I don’t think this is really that hard to work with in our legal system, which already allows for legal partnerships.

459 goddamnedfrank  May 31, 2015 6:58:03pm

Can’t imagine being Shannon Knutsen right now. Cringing every time she looks at her email inbox and seeing Chuck demanding to know what she’s doing to get him back on Twitter.

460 Lord Of The Pies  May 31, 2015 6:58:14pm

re: #285 Lidane

Haha. This is awesome. Malkin is now tweeting at me to Correct teh record! about the photo.

She’s apparently decided to throw NRO under the bus.

The fact is, #tcot was using that photo as a meme long before NR used it to illustrate Twitch Bitch’s rant.

461 freetoken  May 31, 2015 6:59:20pm

Punched above a thousand tweets.

I declare this one a success.

462 allegro  May 31, 2015 6:59:28pm

re: #458 freetoken

In case anyone missed the slippery-slope ride yesterday, Ross Douthat goes for the ride:

The Prospects for Polygamy

Yeah, he went there, and now the religious right bloggers are hopping on the train.

Perhaps we owe the Mormons an apology?

What little I’ve thought through on this, I think we will eventually end up with what I’ll label the “Domestic Covenant”. In such a Covenant two people (gender unnecessary) agree to raise a household, but additional members may be added to such a covenant if all agree.

I don’t think this is really that hard to work with in our legal system, which already allows for legal partnerships.

If corporations are people, poly marriages can just incorporate. Right?

463 Charles Johnson  May 31, 2015 7:00:34pm

re: #459 goddamnedfrank

Can’t imagine being Shannon Knutsen right now. Cringing every time she looks at her email inbox and seeing Chuck demanding to know what she’s doing to get him back on Twitter.

I’d hate to be anyone in Chuck’s contacts list right now.

464 freetoken  May 31, 2015 7:02:29pm

re: #462 allegro

If corporations are people, poly marriages can just incorporate. Right?

The religious want to deny that as far as the legal system in our country is concerned, marriage is just such an arrangement, if a very special case of one. Our Constitution makes no basis for a religious system of marriage. It’s just not in there. So states have marriages but they are special types of contracts between parties, still not religious rites.

It’s hard for the religious right in this country, constantly being preached that this is a “Christian nation”, to understand that our laws are not in fact religious laws.

465 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 31, 2015 7:03:17pm
466 allegro  May 31, 2015 7:05:28pm

re: #465 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

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I just lost IQ points reading that.

467 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 31, 2015 7:06:25pm

re: #465 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Anne Laurie has a great series of tweets on the subject.

468 goddamnedfrank  May 31, 2015 7:07:28pm

re: #458 freetoken

In case anyone missed the slippery-slope ride yesterday, Ross Douthat goes for the ride:

The Prospects for Polygamy

Yeah, he went there, and now the religious right bloggers are hopping on the train.

Perhaps we owe the Mormons an apology?

What little I’ve thought through on this, I think we will eventually end up with what I’ll label the “Domestic Covenant”. In such a Covenant two people (gender unnecessary) agree to raise a household, but additional members may be added to such a covenant if all agree.

I don’t think this is really that hard to work with in our legal system, which already allows for legal partnerships.

It’s actually really difficult legally, because the legal marriage framework is built around two people and includes something like hundreds of individual benefits, legislative and regulatory call outs.

How do you legislate the spousal testimonial and marital secrets privileges when they involve multiple (possibly adversarial) relationships. How about the dynastic use of rolling polygamous marriages to avoid inheritance taxes entirely, with two wealthy families just marrying each other’s children in alternating waves.

Remember that the permutation of various bilateral privilege relationships scales with the equation (N!/(N-2)!)/2

No, polygamy is just an insanely bugged idea.

469 TedStriker  May 31, 2015 7:11:02pm

re: #466 allegro

I just lost IQ points reading that.

Why? I saw it as a bit of snark.

470 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 31, 2015 7:11:48pm

re: #468 goddamnedfrank

It’s actually really difficult legally, because the legal marriage framework is built around two people and includes something like hundreds of individual benefits, legislative and regulatory call outs.

How do you legislate the spousal testimonial and marital secrets privileges when they involve multiple (possibly adversarial) relationships. How about the dynastic use of rolling polygamous marriages to avoid inheritance taxes entirely, with two wealthy families just marrying each other’s children in alternating waves.

Remember that the permutation of various bilateral privilege relationships scales with the equation (N!/(N-2)!)/2

No, polygamy is just an insanely bugged idea.

Exactly. Same-sex marriage changes absolutely nothing—it just expands the eligibility pool by a few percent. Polygamy, box turtles, all that shit, would involve enormous changes in existing laws. These RWNJs are lying their asses off.

471 allegro  May 31, 2015 7:12:16pm

re: #469 TedStriker

Why? I saw it as a bit of snark.

Oh. Okay. Never know these days.

472 jaunte  May 31, 2015 7:13:33pm

re: #465 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

But you can still get a Patriot Act ivity Book:
amazon.com

473 calochortus  May 31, 2015 7:15:59pm

OT, but we just had an insanely good dinner of sear-roasted salmon with beurre blanc, oven roasted asparagus with a crust of bread crumbs and parmesan, and brown rice. That’s what happens when you turn me loose at the farmers’ market at this season. I’m happy to report that the salmon came out absolutely perfect. Money better spent than at some restaurant IMHO.

474 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 31, 2015 7:17:27pm

re: #472 jaunte

But you can still get a Patriot Act ivity Book:
amazon.com

475 allegro  May 31, 2015 7:17:33pm

re: #473 calochortus

OT, but we just had an insanely good dinner of sear-roasted salmon with beurre blanc, oven roasted asparagus with a crust of bread crumbs and parmesan, and brown rice. That’s what happens when you turn me loose at the farmers’ market at this season. I’m happy to report that the salmon came out absolutely perfect. Money better spent than at some restaurant IMHO.

Want.

476 Higgs Boson's Mate  May 31, 2015 7:21:25pm

re: #474 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

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Remember those talking dolls that would squawk out a different phrase every time you you pulled the string? I’m sure glad that those are out of fashion.

477 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 7:21:35pm

re: #474 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

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and if you call within the next 15 minutes, you’ll get a Rand filabuster shot glass and Rand crocs.

478 Charles Johnson  May 31, 2015 7:22:13pm

LOL

479 Amory Blaine  May 31, 2015 7:22:29pm

Where are all the empty shelves in Germany?

480 allegro  May 31, 2015 7:22:30pm

re: #476 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Remember those talking dolls that would squawk out a different phrase every time you you pulled the string? I’m sure glad that those are out of fashion.

Oh dear. Chatty Randy. Now he’ll do it.

481 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 31, 2015 7:23:01pm

re: #476 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Remember those talking dolls that would squawk out a different phrase every time you you pulled the string? I’m sure glad that those are out of fashion.

A Chatty Randy Doll™? Do. Not. Want!

482 Charles Johnson  May 31, 2015 7:23:03pm

re: #478 Charles Johnson

NOPE

483 Kid A  May 31, 2015 7:23:37pm

re: #477 HappyWarrior

484 Amory Blaine  May 31, 2015 7:23:38pm

re: #478 Charles Johnson

Holy fuck

485 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 7:23:45pm

re: #481 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

A Chatty Randy DollTM? Do. Not. Want!

But it says things like “It’s not in the constitution” and “I am allowed to discriminate against people” and “I love liberty.”

486 allegro  May 31, 2015 7:24:01pm

re: #481 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

A Chatty Randy DollTM? Do. Not. Want!

Ha! One time I came in first!

487 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 7:24:24pm

re: #483 Kid A

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Whoo boy.

488 jaunte  May 31, 2015 7:24:50pm
“…Ray-Ban has asked Sen. Rand Paul’s presidential campaign to quit selling the brand’s Wayfarer sunglasses, which Paul had imprinted with the “Rand” logo….”
thehill.com
489 RealityBasedSteve  May 31, 2015 7:25:06pm

re: #480 allegro

Oh dear. Chatty Randy. Now he’ll do it.

Or “Rand and Spell”

F… F is for Free market, how Hard Workers get things
H… H is for Handouts, how Moochers get things.

The possibilities are boundless

490 Amory Blaine  May 31, 2015 7:25:11pm

Presidential socks with crocs. I wonder if the crocs have a seal on them.

491 Lord Of The Pies  May 31, 2015 7:26:06pm

re: #479 Amory Blaine

Where are all the empty shelves in Germany?

Oh look at this Socialist Bakery in Denmark, empty shelves & no selection anywhere!

492 RealityBasedSteve  May 31, 2015 7:26:13pm

re: #483 Kid A

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“Great Looking Crocs, Mr. President” (Said by no one, ever. )

RBS

493 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 7:26:32pm

re: #488 jaunte

LOL, I’ve heard of musicians asking politicians to stop playing their tunes. This is the first I’ve heard of a sunglasses company asking a politician to stop ripping them off.

494 thedopefishlives  May 31, 2015 7:26:39pm

re: #478 Charles Johnson

LOL

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Eau de bullshit.

495 calochortus  May 31, 2015 7:26:42pm

re: #475 allegro

Want.

Next time, I’ll have to invite you over. ;)

496 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 7:27:04pm

re: #491 Lord Of The Pies

Oh look at this Socialist Bakery in Denmark, empty shelves & no selection anywhere!

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Damn it I already had my dessert. Damn you Denmark and your delicious sweets.

497 Charles Johnson  May 31, 2015 7:27:39pm
498 allegro  May 31, 2015 7:27:49pm

re: #495 calochortus

Next time, I’ll have to invite you over. ;)

Please. I’ll bring wine. :D

499 VegasGolfer  May 31, 2015 7:28:45pm

I’m going to Germany later this year, I wonder if should bring my own food and medical supplies just in case?

500 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 31, 2015 7:30:38pm

re: #499 VegasGolfer

I’m going to Germany later this year, I wonder if should bring my own food and medical supplies just in case?

Some Lucky Strikes and Nylons as well.

501 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 7:30:41pm

re: #499 VegasGolfer

I’m going to Germany later this year, I wonder if should bring my own food and medical supplies just in case?

Do NOT bring your own beer. Your hosts will do just fine. Jokes aside, where are you headed? I went to Germany six years ago- Berlin, Munich, Heidleberg. Planning a second trip in a couple years with my kid brother for his first trip abroad when he turns sixteen.

502 Charles Johnson  May 31, 2015 7:30:44pm
503 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 7:31:23pm

Storm tonight. I always have liked thunder and lightning storms. There’s an odd peace about them.

504 thedopefishlives  May 31, 2015 7:33:54pm

re: #503 HappyWarrior

Storm tonight. I always have liked thunder and lightning storms. There’s an odd peace about them.

We had a storm a few weeks ago that had me feeling nostalgic, for some reason. So I turned out all the lights in the house and turned on my iPhone’s flashlight and pretended we had a power outage, like we had all the time when I was a kid. It was fun to lay in the dark, read by the light of my phone, and watch the lightning outside.

505 allegro  May 31, 2015 7:34:34pm

re: #503 HappyWarrior

Storm tonight. I always have liked thunder and lightning storms. There’s an odd peace about them.

Privilege. I can say that after our last week here in Texas. ;)

506 Kragar  May 31, 2015 7:34:44pm

re: #478 Charles Johnson

I remember that fucker defending Chuck quite fervently

507 VegasGolfer  May 31, 2015 7:35:04pm

re: #501 HappyWarrior

Starting out in Frankfurt, then meet up with my buddies friend who’s local, he’s gonna be our tour guide so it’s up to him. Also plan to spend two days in Munich for Oktoberfest.

508 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 7:36:40pm

re: #504 thedopefishlives

We had a storm a few weeks ago that had me feeling nostalgic, for some reason. So I turned out all the lights in the house and turned on my iPhone’s flashlight and pretended we had a power outage, like we had all the time when I was a kid. It was fun to lay in the dark, read by the light of my phone, and watch the lightning outside.

We lived by a creek when I was a kid. Whenever the storms would stop, we’d go down to the creek and look at how fast the water was moving. There had been a bridge that I used to cross to walk to high school but it got destroyed so many times by storms they stopped rebuilding it.

509 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 7:36:58pm

re: #505 allegro

Privilege. I can say that after our last week here in Texas. ;)

Yeah it’s been fairly normal weather front wise here in Virginia.

510 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 7:37:20pm

re: #507 VegasGolfer

Starting out in Frankfurt, then meet up with my buddies friend who’s local, he’s gonna be our tour guide so it’s up to him. Also plan to spend two days in Munich for Oktoberfest.

Awesome. Never been to Frankfurt. Munich for Oktoberfest sounds awesome.

511 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 7:39:01pm

So apparently Ted Cruz did the usual JFK would be a Republican today bit because ya know tax cuts. I don’t know if you’ve been paying attention Ted but Obama and Bill Clinton both cut taxes as president. It’s just laughable for conservatives to try to claim JFK as one of their own considering how much contemporary conservatives trashed JFK and conservative Republicans have grown a lot more reactionary since JFK died. He also apparently quoted RFK quoting George Bernard Shaw. Bernard Shaw was of course a SOCIALIST!

512 Higgs Boson's Mate  May 31, 2015 7:39:04pm

re: #502 Charles Johnson

You might like the band Oregon if you like Weather Report.

513 Charles Johnson  May 31, 2015 7:40:18pm

re: #506 Kragar

I remember that fucker defending Chuck quite fervently

Indeed he did, and not very long ago. Now he wants to be my friend? I’m thinking NOPE.

514 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 31, 2015 7:41:53pm
515 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 7:42:32pm

re: #514 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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516 prairiefire  May 31, 2015 7:43:33pm

Love lightning, from a distance. I sleep in the downstairs den now and can get quite a show through the sliding glass doors.

517 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 31, 2015 7:44:54pm
518 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 7:45:31pm

Does anyone notice with lightning that you kind of have a reaction to it before you see it? Hard to phrase this I guess. I always thought that was neat and perhaps an evolutionary adaption.

519 thedopefishlives  May 31, 2015 7:46:17pm

re: #517 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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There’s nothing quite like a summer afternoon thunderstorm, that’s for sure. I always love the way the sun looks when silhouetted against a storm cloud. The bright sunny clear blue contrasted with the heavy grey. And then the cloud rolls across the sun, the land grows dark, and the fireworks begin.

520 allegro  May 31, 2015 7:49:22pm

re: #518 HappyWarrior

Does anyone notice with lightning that you kind of have a reaction to it before you see it? Hard to phrase this I guess. I always thought that was neat and perhaps an evolutionary adaption.

When it’s the hair standing up on your arms it’s too close.

521 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 7:49:40pm

re: #519 thedopefishlives

There’s nothing quite like a summer afternoon thunderstorm, that’s for sure. I always love the way the sun looks when silhouetted against a storm cloud. The bright sunny clear blue contrasted with the heavy grey. And then the cloud rolls across the sun, the land grows dark, and the fireworks begin.

Sun showers or the weird phrase I’ve heard “The devil’s beating his wife.” I remember quite a bit of those my times in Ireland.

522 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 7:49:58pm

re: #520 allegro

When it’s the hair standing up on your arms it’s too close.

Never have had that fortunately.

523 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 31, 2015 7:50:44pm

re: #521 HappyWarrior

Sun showers or the weird phrase I’ve heard “The devil’s beating his wife.” I remember quite a bit of those my times in Ireland.

Munich gets glorious thunderstorms in the summer. Oh man. It was every afternoon we were there, it seemed.

The Bay Area is not a good place to live if you like variety in your weather.

524 prairiefire  May 31, 2015 7:52:39pm

re: #518 HappyWarrior

Like when my mom had a startle from a brief glance at my daughter wearing her cap with wolf ears on it. Lol, she said it was the strangest sensation.

525 calochortus  May 31, 2015 7:53:16pm

re: #522 HappyWarrior

Never have had that fortunately.

I have-and the crawly feeling on your scalp. Not good. Years ago we backpacked in Hawaii and among other things climbed Mauna Loa. Almost at the top there was an area with an unsettling amount of electricity-but fortunately no thunderstorm and we all survived nicely.

526 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 7:54:07pm

re: #523 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Munich gets glorious thunderstorms in the summer. Oh man. It was every afternoon we were there, it seemed.

The Bay Area is not a good place to live if you like variety in your weather.

Yeah the Bay Area seems pretty consistent weather wise. Not too hot in the summer but not too cold in the winter. One thing I always have enjoyed about Virginia is the four seasons. Munich is beautiful. I liked the Bay Area too but it got a little too cold in the summer for me which normally wouldn’t bother me but that means the water is cold too and being an East coaster all the way, it would take me a while to adjust to the Pacific’s colder waters. The Beach Boys never told us about that in their songs about California. Thanks Brian.//

527 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 31, 2015 7:55:49pm

re: #526 HappyWarrior

I will say, cold is not how most of us have described our summers recently.

528 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 7:57:23pm

re: #527 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I will say, cold is not how most of us have described our summers recently.

When I was in SF/Santa Cruz in Summer 2012, I needed a hoodie or jeans at night. But yeah the temperatures are I understand warmer than usual.

529 calochortus  May 31, 2015 7:58:09pm

re: #526 HappyWarrior

The water temperature being cold has more to do with the currents than the air temperature-and the cold water keeps the climate mild.

For kids growing up in the Bay Area it was all about going in the ocean until your lips turned purple and your mom made you get out and warm up for a while.

530 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 31, 2015 8:00:04pm

re: #528 HappyWarrior

When I was in SF/Santa Cruz in Summer 2012, I needed a hoodie or jeans at night. But yeah the temperatures are I understand warmer than usual.

SF and Santa Cruz, although nice, are not good representatives of the weather in the overall Bay Area. They are definitely cooler microclimates in the bigger picture.

I, on the other hand, live in one of the hotter microclimates. And it sucks.

531 calochortus  May 31, 2015 8:00:50pm

re: #530 klys (maker of Silmarils)

SF and Santa Cruz, although nice, are not good representatives of the weather in the overall Bay Area. They are definitely cooler microclimates in the bigger picture.

I, on the other hand, live in one of the hotter microclimates. And it sucks.

But now you have A/C.

532 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 31, 2015 8:01:06pm

re: #531 calochortus

But now you have A/C.

Thank god.

533 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 8:01:43pm

re: #529 calochortus

The water temperature being cold has more to do with the currents than the air temperature-and the cold water keeps the climate mild.

For kids growing up in the Bay Area it was all about going in the ocean until your lips turned purple and your mom made you get out and warm up for a while.

Gotcha. Yeah I think if I grew up with it, I could get used to it. I’ve been spoiled by east coast waters for sure.

534 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 8:02:22pm

re: #530 klys (maker of Silmarils)

SF and Santa Cruz, although nice, are not good representatives of the weather in the overall Bay Area. They are definitely cooler microclimates in the bigger picture.

I, on the other hand, live in one of the hotter microclimates. And it sucks.

Ahhh I see. What about the Big Sur area? Or does that not count as Bay Area?

535 calochortus  May 31, 2015 8:03:26pm

re: #533 HappyWarrior

Gotcha. Yeah I think if I grew up with it, I could get used to it. I’ve been spoiled by east coast waters for sure.

I know, we lived in the east for a few years and it was hard to get used to the idea that the ocean is actually fairly warm in places (other than Hawaii, where it is a little odd, but hey, the tropics are like that.)

536 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 31, 2015 8:05:47pm

re: #534 HappyWarrior

Ahhh I see. What about the Big Sur area? Or does that not count as Bay Area?

Most people would consider Big Sur central coast and not part of the Bay Area. I live in the South Bay (as we call it), which includes San Jose. Gilroy, of garlic fame, is …borderline. I think most people wouldn’t classify that as Bay Area, ultimately.

Santa Cruz is actually considered over the mountains (or over the hill, as is said here) and typically excluded as well from a more local point of view. The culture is certainly very different.

But even Big Sur is warming up, for them.

537 Higgs Boson's Mate  May 31, 2015 8:07:40pm

re: #522 HappyWarrior

Never have had that fortunately.

“Oh, fuck!” was what I thought the first time lightning struck very close to me. The hair on my arms stood up just before right before the big, and entirely too long lasting, bolt fed itself into the ground - or vice-versa. That electrified feeling was a lot stronger the second time and I thought, “OH, FUUUUUUUUCK!”

538 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 8:08:20pm

re: #535 calochortus

I know, we lived in the east for a few years and it was hard to get used to the idea that the ocean is actually fairly warm in places (other than Hawaii, where it is a little odd, but hey, the tropics are like that.)

Yeah even up north on the East Coast, the water’s fairly warm in the summers. When I visited my aunt and uncle in the Keys one summer, I didn’t even have to get used to the water. Have to say while I liked the water down there, there’s no waves which is kind of a bummer.

539 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 8:10:50pm

re: #536 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Most people would consider Big Sur central coast and not part of the Bay Area. I live in the South Bay (as we call it), which includes San Jose. Gilroy, of garlic fame, is …borderline. I think most people wouldn’t classify that as Bay Area, ultimately.

Santa Cruz is actually considered over the mountains (or over the hill, as is said here) and typically excluded as well from a more local point of view. The culture is certainly very different.

But even Big Sur is warming up, for them.

I see. I did wonder about that since looking at a map the Big Sur area definitely looks too North to be Southern California but I wondered if it was north enough to be Bay Area. It looks quite nice. My brother, his wife, and daughter just moved out to Lake Tahoe this past week and when I visit this summer, we’re planning a camping trip to Big Sur or maybe Yosemite. It’s an exciting move for them. I have a feeling he’s going to love Tahoe since he’s an outdoorsy type.

540 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 31, 2015 8:13:54pm

re: #539 HappyWarrior

Tahoe is great, although I prefer other parts of the Sierras personally.

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541 calochortus  May 31, 2015 8:16:33pm

re: #539 HappyWarrior

Yosemite tends to be extremely crowded in the summer, and it will be pretty dry this summer so the waterfalls will be unimpressive, but everyone should probably see it at some point.

542 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 8:17:09pm

re: #540 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Tahoe is great, although I prefer other parts of the Sierras personally.

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543 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 8:18:15pm

re: #541 calochortus

Yosemite tends to be extremely crowded in the summer, and it will be pretty dry this summer so the waterfalls will be unimpressive, but everyone should probably see it at some point.

When would you say the best time to go is? I think when my mom and youngest brother visit them they’re going to do Yosemite. Not sure. My brother’s always got ideas though.

544 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 31, 2015 8:19:43pm

re: #543 HappyWarrior

When would you say the best time to go is? I think when my mom and youngest brother visit them they’re going to do Yosemite. Not sure. My brother’s always got ideas though.

Winter.

Definitely winter.

You can’t do the drive over Tioga Pass then, but if you get snow in the valley it is one of the most magical, wonderful experiences.

Maybe early spring when the runoff is starting too but you’re still avoiding the crowds.

545 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 8:22:03pm

re: #544 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Winter.

Definitely winter.

You can’t do the drive over Tioga Pass then, but if you get snow in the valley it is one of the most magical, wonderful experiences.

Maybe early spring when the runoff is starting too but you’re still avoiding the crowds.

I’ll have to bring that up to him then. Though i imagine by the time winter hits Tahoe, he’s going to be into his schoolbooks and on the weekends snowboarding. He showed me an info video on Reno, it looks like a nice little city. They’ve only been gone since Wednesday and I miss them already. I am thankful though that due to things like SkyPE and Facebook, it’s easier to stay in touch now but I am going to miss all three of them especially my niece.

546 calochortus  May 31, 2015 8:23:18pm

re: #543 HappyWarrior

Spring is best for waterfalls, but that ship has sailed for this year. Just go whenever is convenient for you.
This will be a dry year everywhere in the Sierras. My brother called the ranger station up in the Emigrant Wilderness about the likelihood of having running water in the streams by the end of June. They said it was about 50/50. This is an area which not infrequently is still snow covered at that time of year.

547 klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 31, 2015 8:23:32pm

re: #545 HappyWarrior

I’ll have to bring that up to him then. Though i imagine by the time winter hits Tahoe, he’s going to be into his schoolbooks and on the weekends snowboarding. He showed me an info video on Reno, it looks like a nice little city. They’ve only been gone since Wednesday and I miss them already. I am thankful though that due to things like SkyPE and Facebook, it’s easier to stay in touch now but I am going to miss all three of them especially my niece.

Reno is a fun little city. mr. klys and I have an ongoing joke where when we are unsure what to do at the end of a weekend away but don’t want to go home yet, we drive to Reno.

548 HappyWarrior  May 31, 2015 8:26:34pm

re: #547 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Reno is a fun little city. mr. klys and I have an ongoing joke where when we are unsure what to do at the end of a weekend away but don’t want to go home yet, we drive to Reno.

It looked like there was a lot to do there. I feel like I’d much rather go to Reno than Vegas. I mean Vegas is on my bucket list too but Reno seemed more my kind of place.

549 Feline Fearless Leader  May 31, 2015 8:32:57pm

re: #541 calochortus

Yosemite tends to be extremely crowded in the summer, and it will be pretty dry this summer so the waterfalls will be unimpressive, but everyone should probably see it at some point.

I was out there two years ago and it was fantastic. Except for the more famous falls being a trickle running down the rocks.

550 Chez Ko Pe  May 31, 2015 9:27:14pm

re: #491 Lord Of The Pies

Twitchy B****: ”But I’ll bet all those grapes are hella hella sour, because socialismism.”

551 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 1, 2015 5:32:21am

Now the picture is totally GONE.

552 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 1, 2015 7:31:24am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

A Google Images search shows that this photo has been posted at hundreds of websites. But the “dirtied up” version is only found at National Review — so they almost certainly altered and cropped it themselves.

JOURNALISM!!!! CONSERVATIVE!!!!!

553 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 1, 2015 7:33:16am

re: #53 weave

Awesome work!

Can’t wait to update my Facebook ;-)

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554 DC Wilson  Jun 1, 2015 8:03:33am

Pretty lame brushwork. The “dirt” rolls over the edges of the shelves and down the floor, but miraculously, the area of the floor the woman is standing on is pristine. Was this some kid’s first Photoshop project?

555 antonk9000  Jun 1, 2015 11:05:04am

Putting aside NRO’s questionable ethics and photoshop skills, they are pretty on-point about the real situation in Venezuela.

That’s from mesaredondacontracomunistabg.blogspot.com - more pics & videos on that page.

556 antonk9000  Jun 1, 2015 11:06:37am

From clubdarwin.net:

557 antonk9000  Jun 1, 2015 11:07:30am

From opinionesdegabriel.blogspot.com - people waiting in line for hours for basic food supplies:

558 antonk9000  Jun 1, 2015 11:08:00am

Another one, from gurusblog.com

559 antonk9000  Jun 1, 2015 11:09:09am

So yeah, good job with the whole “OMG, because this one site, like, Photoshopped a pic, that means the whole economic crisis is fake, and Socialism actually works awesomely!” discussion.

Oh, and feel free to Google the phrase “Venezuela sin cola” if this isn’t enough.

560 antonk9000  Jun 1, 2015 11:13:01am

Socialism is awesome, especially if you love standing in lines that are so long you need to have numbers:

(From gurusblog.com)

561 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 1, 2015 11:13:18am

re: #559 antonk9000

I know reading comprehension is hard, but nobody said in the article or the comments that Venezuela’s economy was doing fine. People just pointed out the use of a Photoshopped photo taken in the US.

Besides, you’re late to the party with the photos anyway, see: #200.

562 antonk9000  Jun 1, 2015 11:14:56am

Things are just peachy in the Socialist paradise:

563 Dr. Matt  Jun 1, 2015 11:15:56am

re: #560 antonk9000

Are you pretending to be retarded?

564 Kragar  Jun 1, 2015 11:16:15am

re: #559 antonk9000

Hush now. grown ups talking.

565 WhatEVs  Jun 1, 2015 11:18:54am

re: #563 Dr. Matt

Are you pretending to be retarded?

I don’t think s/he is pretending.

Besides, there’s a meme to be had, a talking point to disseminate! FTW!

Only right wing idiots would compare anything Sanders says to Venezuelan socialism. Not that it matters. That’s besides the meme and the talking points.

566 wrenchwench  Jun 1, 2015 11:19:27am

re: #555 antonk9000

Putting aside NRO’s questionable ethics and photoshop skills, they are pretty on-point about the real situation in Venezuela.

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That’s from mesaredondacontracomunistabg.blogspot.com - more pics & videos on that page.

The linked article said this about Venezuela:

In Venezuela, the shelves are unburdened by “too many” deodorants and shoes and too much soap, milk, or coffee. Food distribution is under military control. The currency of the socialist paradise just collapsed on the black market by 30 percent.

Is this the analysis you call ‘on point’? And support with photos that were actually taken in Venezuela? You mentioned NRO’s ‘questionable ethics’, but your purpose here seems to be support for Michelle Malkin. Otherwise you might consider making a Page about Venezuela, or at least posting on a live thread,

Greetings, hatchling.

567 Charles Johnson  Jun 1, 2015 11:20:24am

re: #562 antonk9000

Are you trying to parody a right wing loon who doesn’t care what anybody says and just keeps spouting nonsense, or are you actually this dense?

568 palomino  Jun 1, 2015 2:13:02pm

re: #555 antonk9000

Putting aside NRO’s questionable ethics and photoshop skills, they are pretty on-point about the real situation in Venezuela.

Embedded Image

That’s from mesaredondacontracomunistabg.blogspot.com - more pics & videos on that page.

Is anyone here claiming that Venezuela has a good economy? The point is that Sanders doesn’t support what NRO calls “Venezuela style socialism”. He’s an admirer of Scandinavian style democratic socialism which is an entirely different animal. The photoshopping is just another bit of shoddiness and dishonesty to accompany the big lie that Sanders is just like Hugo Chavez.


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