Following the Passage of Bobby Jindal’s Stealth Creationism Law, Louisiana Leads the Way Into the New Dark Age

Welcome to the new Dark Age
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In 2008, I wrote about the awful stealth creationist bill signed into law by Republican Governor Bobby Jindal, and predicted it would lead to a giant step backward for science education.

It gives me no joy to report, via Zack Kopplin (who’s doing an awesome job of bringing this awfulness to the attention of the public), that the giant step backward is now well under way: Louisiana Science Education: School Boards, Principals, and Teachers Endorse Creationism in Public School.

When a student in Louisiana opens her textbook in biology class, she might not have the standard Miller and Levine Biology with a dragonfly on the cover, and she might not ever learn about evolution. For some Louisiana public school students, their science textbook is the Bible, and in biology class they read the Book of Genesis to learn the “creation point of view.”

Through a public records request, I obtained dozens of emails from the Bossier Parish school district that specifically discuss teaching creationism. Shawna Creamer, a science teacher at Airline High School, sent an email to the principal, Jason Rowland, informing him of which class periods she would use to teach creationism. “We will read in Genesis and them [sic] some supplemental material debunking various aspects of evolution from which the students will present,” Creamer wrote.

In another email exchange with Rowland, a parent had complained that a different teacher, Cindy Tolliver, actually taught that evolution was a “fact.” This parent complained that Tolliver was “pushing her twisted religious beliefs onto the class.” Principal Rowland responded, “I can assure you this will not happen again.”

Another email was sent by Bossier High School assistant principal Doug Scott to Michael Stacy, a biology teacher at that school. “I enjoyed the visit to your class today as you discussed evolution and creationism in a full spectrum of thought,” Scott wrote. “Thank you for the rich content as you bring various sources to bear in your curriculum.”

Welcome to the new Dark Age, folks. It’s starting in Louisiana, but make no mistake — this is what the Republican Party stands for, and what they’ll impose on the rest of the United States if we don’t vote them all out of office.

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568 comments
1 HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2015 6:51:14pm

This is so wrong on so many levels. Typical Jindal though.

2 Belafon  Jun 2, 2015 6:51:57pm

The Roman Empire was doing fine until the Christians took over.

3 Nyet  Jun 2, 2015 6:54:05pm

Winning strategy: keep the electorate stupid and ignorant.

4 Odie Hugh Manatee  Jun 2, 2015 6:56:20pm

The only good thing about this is that Jesus wasn’t a cave man.

I almost moved to Shreveport in the late 80’s because of a job offer down there. I thought the terms sounded too good to be true so I decided to travel and go check them out. I went down there (from Spokane, WA) for one day and night, left and never looked back.

It’s sad that it was a damned good decision to make.

5 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 2, 2015 7:00:16pm

Slides being scanned tonight are from the long western trip the family took in 1971.

Angel Glacier

Still in the Jasper NP and British Columbia section. Things should shift to Glacier/Banff next and then south to Yellowstone.

6 jaunte  Jun 2, 2015 7:00:37pm
“Every year I have taught school, and I have taught in southern California, Nashville, Tenn., and here, kids are disturbed when they hear or read that we evolved from apes.”
theadvertiser.com

Bullshit.

7 EPR-radar  Jun 2, 2015 7:01:06pm

Yoo hoo. Calling all GOP ‘moderates’.

This is the crap you vote for when you vote GOP. Are you really in favor of this kind of rampant stupidity? If not, then stop voting GOP.

There is no hope for GOP reform, so the fastest way to get to a conservative party in the US that is not an abomination is to abandon the GOP en masse and let it crater in 1-2 election cycles. After that, the GOP can reform itself to be a civilized center-right party, or a new party can become the second party by taking over that role.

8 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 2, 2015 7:01:33pm

re: #6 jaunte

Bullshit.

Maybe the disturbing is the realization that their parents and preachers are lying to them. Knowingly.

9 Dr. Matt  Jun 2, 2015 7:02:18pm

BOOM!

Hail, Hail, to Michigan!!!!

10 HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2015 7:03:53pm

re: #6 jaunte

Bullshit.

I think most kids are quite fascinated by it really. I know I was fascinated by how closely related to chmps we are. They like to do this same tactic in regards to gay people by the way too “WHAT WILL WE TELL THE CHILDREN” but most kids especially kids these days are like okay there are gay people, big fucking deal.

11 jaunte  Jun 2, 2015 7:05:12pm

“This Section shall not be construed to promote any religious doctrine, promote discrimination for or against a particular set of religious beliefs, or promote discrimination for or against religion or nonreligion.”

I really hate to burst his bubble here, but the same exact language was contained in the Balanced Treatment Act, which the U.S. Supreme Court struck down as unconstitutional and a violation of the Establishment Clause. Boilerplate language like this is exceedingly common in statutes; it’s just a recapitulation of existing law. But its mere presence in a law does not inoculate the law against Establishment Clause challenges, particularly if the law is cynically designed to introduce religious beliefs in the science classroom.
theind.com

12 HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2015 7:05:42pm

The other thing and I apologize if this has been brought up that I have with opposing evolutionary theory being taught in schools in favor of Creactionism is the latter doesn’t teach kids anything. It just teaches kids “GOD” and that’s it. Evolutionary theory teaches kids how to think scientifically and critically. Creationism is just a lazy excuse.

13 Great White Snark  Jun 2, 2015 7:05:52pm

For all the hue and cry let’s not forget a single salient fact. Contrary to the memes and the complaints we can teach science and Darwinian evolution in every school in the country. And that would not stop any private or religious school from teaching the bible as their denomination sees fit on Sunday. or Saturday. Any day right after school. They still have every right to all the religious lessons they like.

They insist on instead of? Um, no. Ban secular lessons? Not allowed.

14 darthstar  Jun 2, 2015 7:09:29pm

Jesus…I leave the place for one day and look at all the shit that happened. Bobby Jindal did something stupid, Huckabee flies his pervert flag, and the Senate bows before the altar of Snowden.

Of course, that probably would have happened if I was here.

15 allegro  Jun 2, 2015 7:12:17pm

re: #14 darthstar

Jesus…I leave the place for one day and look at all the shit that happened. Bobby Jindal did something stupid, Huckabee flies his pervert flag, and the Senate bows before the altar of Snowden.

Of course, that probably would have happened if I was here.

Nope. Your fault. All yours.

16 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 2, 2015 7:12:55pm

Jindal is pretty much wiping his ass with the Constitution and he doesn’t give a shit. Literally.

17 darthstar  Jun 2, 2015 7:13:07pm

re: #15 allegro

Nope. Your fault. All yours.

Cool. I’m having an impact on the world.

18 Dr. Matt  Jun 2, 2015 7:14:02pm
19 palomino  Jun 2, 2015 7:14:06pm

re: #13 Great White Snark

For all the hue and cry let’s not forget a single salient fact. Contrary to the memes and the complaints we can teach science and Darwinian evolution in every school in the country. And that would not stop any private or religious school from teaching the bible as their denomination sees fit on Sunday. or Saturday. Any day right after school. They still have every right to all the religious lessons they like.

Jindal and his crowd aren’t interested in teaching creationism to their own kids in public schools. They’ve already taken care of that at home and church. They want to teach creationism to everyone else’s kids.

The point is to “spread the good word” and indoctrinate as many people as possible, preferably when they’re young. It’s kind of a feature of evangelicalism, and Jindal’s state (especially outside NO) is pretty much hardcore bible belt.

20 HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2015 7:14:18pm

Creationists I think are deeply threatened by a view of the world that is more complex than just God and God that. And that’s not to attack religion because there are indeed many religious minded believers in evolution. But the fundamentalist world view really teaches children nothing about how to understand the world around us. It simplifies everything to God and that really if there is a God is actually I think a disservice. The world’s a complex and beautiful place. Billions of species, climates that range from tropical rain forests to the Antarctic desserts, etc. The world’s too much full of wonder to just to dismiss it as “God and don’t ask any more questions.”

21 goddamnedfrank  Jun 2, 2015 7:16:27pm
Chuck C. Johnson’s permanent Twitter suspension has ground his media operation to a pathetic halt

Good.

22 HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2015 7:17:00pm

re: #19 palomino

Jindal and his crowd aren’t interested in teaching creationism to their own kids in public schools. They’ve already taken care of that at home and church. They want to teach creationism to everyone else’s kids.

The point is to “spread the good word” and indoctrinate as many people as possible, preferably when they’re young. It’s kind of a feature of evangelicalism, and Jindal’s state (especially outside NO) is pretty much hardcore bible belt.

Yes, this. Jindal and the legislators that pushed this already have taught their own children creationism and that evolution is false but what they want to do is push their vision on other people’s kids. It’s yet another right wing example of doing exactly what they accuse other people of doing. If you want to hear God created the Earth, send your kid to a religious private school or enroll them in a Sunday school that teaches that but a publically funded school should not be teaching Creationism over a scientific theory that has proven valid to scientific research.

23 jaunte  Jun 2, 2015 7:17:47pm

re: #20 HappyWarrior

It’s really as Sergey said up in #3. They aren’t going to be looking to hire any Biblical literalist geologists to work for oil companies in Louisiana.

24 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 2, 2015 7:19:12pm
25 #FergusonFireside  Jun 2, 2015 7:19:29pm

re: #9 Dr. Matt

BOOM!

Hail, Hail, to Michigan!!!!

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PFAW

26 Decatur Deb  Jun 2, 2015 7:20:37pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

Yes, this. Jindal and the legislators that pushed this already have taught their own children creationism and that evolution is false but what they want to do is push their vision on other people’s kids. It’s yet another right wing example of doing exactly what they accuse other people of doing. If you want to hear God created the Earth, send your kid to a religious private school or enroll them in a Sunday school that teaches that but a publically funded school should not be teaching Creationism over a scientific theory that has proven valid to scientific research.

Jindal does not push YEC because he’s religious. He does it because he’s a pimp. He’s a Catholic, like Mendel and De Chardin, and Lemaitre, and the Franciscan priest who taught me evolution.

27 jaunte  Jun 2, 2015 7:22:48pm
28 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 2, 2015 7:24:41pm

re: #23 jaunte

It’s really as Sergey said up in #3. They aren’t going to be looking to hire any Biblical literalist geologists to work for oil companies in Louisiana.

Isn’t how to find the oil described in the Book of Exxon? Has something to do with using willow sticks and some spun wool from a pure ram.

29 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 2, 2015 7:26:45pm

re: #27 jaunte
152 years ago today, Harriet Tubman led union soldiers on a raid that destroyed plantations & freed over 700 slaves.

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Another example of a diversity thug ganging with the Feral Gubment to strip law abiding Christians of their property rights. Takers all of them

30 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 2, 2015 7:28:03pm

IN 50 years, large areas of the American south and southwest will be no-go zone for visitors from first world countries. Hell, some parts already are.

31 jaunte  Jun 2, 2015 7:30:09pm
“…In the early morning hours of June 2, 1863, Union troops based at Port Royal, South Carolina conducted a daring raid up the Combahee River, which winds inland from Port Royal Sound. Union Naval forces had captured Port Royal in November of 1861. After Port Royal fell to Union forces, the surrounding lands were abandoned by planting families, yet hundreds of enslaved people remained. Led by Colonel James Montgomery, African American troops of the 2nd South Carolina Regiment advanced upon the Combahee River plantations, destroying several plantations and carrying away more than 700 enslaved people.”
lowcountryafricana.com

“…The Civil War in South Carolina website contains statements filed by planters whose plantations were affected. The statements, sworn before Magistrate G.W. Pringle, list the names and ages of many of the enslaved people who escaped to the Union gunboats from the plantations of Joshua Nichols (also rendered Nicholls), William L. Kirkland, and William C. Heyward.”
sciway3.net

The second link is not a bad response to anyone who claims the Civil War wasn’t about slavery.

32 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 2, 2015 7:33:10pm
Needs more mirrors

:)

I always loved this photo.

33 Drive By Commenter  Jun 2, 2015 7:33:19pm

Pass every test by writing down this wierd answer! “God Said So!”

34 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 2, 2015 7:34:11pm

re: #30 Shiplord Kirel

IN 50 years, large areas of the American south and southwest will be no-go zone for visitors from first world countries. Hell, some parts already are.

More advanced countries like Mexico and Guatemala will demand that Washington do something about the hordes of disease ridden, unvaccinated, violently superstitious peasants pouring across the southern border to pillage and take advantage of a basic social safety net. The latter, of course, will be an irrestistible novelty to them.
Washington will have its own problems, trying to maintain order and keep southern social problems from infecting more enlightened areas.

35 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 2, 2015 7:35:59pm

re: #33 Drive By Commenter

Pass every test by writing down this wierd answer! “God Said So!”

This ONE Weird Trick is Driving Science Teachers Crazy!!!!!!

36 Kragar  Jun 2, 2015 7:39:47pm

re: #33 Drive By Commenter

Pass every test by writing down this wierd answer! “God Said So!”

Everyone knows you can pass every multiple choice test by answering “Abba Cadaba” all the way down

37 CleverToad  Jun 2, 2015 7:40:00pm

re: #32 Feline Fearless Leader

Enjoying the scans! This one’s a classic.

38 Charles Johnson  Jun 2, 2015 7:41:55pm
39 Charles Johnson  Jun 2, 2015 7:42:28pm
40 ObserverArt  Jun 2, 2015 7:45:23pm

Just slid by to catch if there were any new topics. Saw this and had to log in to say…

Fuck you Louisiana fundies, ignorants and Bobby Jindal.

GOP Regressives at work. As Charles stated, Stamp them out.

Do it for your country not for your party!!!

41 Lidane  Jun 2, 2015 7:52:48pm

Meanwhile, in Scotland:

42 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 2, 2015 7:53:46pm

Caught up on latest episode of Game Of Thrones last night. (NO SPOILERS) This was the best episode of the season, and one of the best of the series. The scenes with Tyrion and Daenerys were fantastic. Dinklage is really a hell of an actor, and really showed he has honed his craft.

43 b_sharp  Jun 2, 2015 7:53:52pm

As a young adolescent I lived with my YEC paternal grandparents and that time convinced me YECism was nonsense. Back in 2002 I joined Talk Origins in order to learn evolution and biology because I was running up against a lot of YECs in my own family. I spent several years at T.O. learning at the feet of some highly intelligent scientists and branched out to Free Republic in about 2005 because it was a YEC stronghold.

In 2007 I started focusing on AGW/Climate Change because that seemed to be the new target of malignant anti-science. As with evolution I spent most of my time talking with scientists and verifying I actually understood at a layman’s level the important science behind the research. I expected to find a site where I could hone my chops against deniers, but then 2009 happened. The US elected a socialist, atheist, Muslim as president, the shit hit the fan, and I ended up here.

A few years later, racism and fundamentalism is oozing from the walls of the Internet and I find myself going back to defending science against the YECs who have apparently found new support among all the haters who found the balls to crawl out from under their rocks because a black man was elected president.

They haven’t changed their arguments, but they have released a whole new cohort of young, confused, uneducated, extremely well indoctrinated youngsters to do their work for them.

44 Kragar  Jun 2, 2015 8:00:07pm

You can’t really call this kind of thinking “Dark Age” mentality because even in the Dark Ages, many Christians realized the Bible was allegorical and believed in trusting science.

St. Augustine, ~415AD

Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of the world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion [quoting 1 Tim 1:7].

From the interpretation:

Augustine’s claim is nothing less than that a Christian who attempts to interpret passages of the Bible with cosmological implication s will misinterpret the Bible if that believer does not take account of what can be learned “from reason and experience.” To limit oneself only to the Scriptures in such instances, says Augustine, is to misread the Bible. (p. 203, emphasis in original)

And Aquinas

Aquinas, who reasoned thus: God is the author of all truth; the aim of scientific research is the truth; therefore, there can be no fundamental incompatibility between the two. Provided we understand Christian doctrine properly and do our science well, we will find the truth.

Yet, what about the apparent conflict between notion of creation from nothing and the scientific principle that for every natural motion or state there is an antecedent motion or state? Seeing a conflict here, Aquinas says, is a result of a confusion regarding the nature of creation and natural change. It is an error that might be called the Cosmogonical Fallacy.

Aquinas argued that their error was a failure to distinguish between cause in the sense of a natural change of some kind and cause in the sense of an ultimate bringing into being of something from no antecedent state whatsoever. Creatio non est mutatio says Aquinas: The act of creation is not some species of change.

The Greek natural philosophers were quite correct in saying that from nothing, nothing comes. But by “comes” they meant a change from one state to another, which requires some underlying material reality. It also requires some pre-existing possibility for that change, a possibility that resides in something.

45 EPR-radar  Jun 2, 2015 8:01:25pm

On this topic, the thoughts of one of those enlightenment types (Voltaire) that RWNJs would like to remove from history:

Formerly there were those who said: You believe things that are incomprehensible, inconsistent, impossible because we have commanded you to believe them; go then and do what is unjust because we command it. Such people show admirable reasoning. Truly, whoever is able to make you absurd is able to make you unjust. If the God-given understanding of your mind does not resist a demand to believe what is impossible, then you will not resist a demand to do wrong to that God-given sense of justice in your heart. As soon as one faculty of your soul has been dominated, other faculties will follow as well. And from this derives all those crimes of religion which have overrun the world.

I am convinced that this enablement of atrocity is the whole point of promoting creationist mumbo-jumbo in the US.

46 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 2, 2015 8:02:01pm

re: #27 jaunte

Aside from her skin color, her activity for the Union and abolition is probably why many conservatives today are horrified that she might end up on the $20 bill. I have a feeling if Ulysses S. Grant were being proposed now for inclusion on our currency, there would be a huge pushback from Neo-Confederates.

47 EPR-radar  Jun 2, 2015 8:03:39pm

re: #46 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Aside from her skin color, her activity for the Union and abolition is probably why many conservatives today are horrified that she might end up on the $20 bill. I have a feeling if Ulysses S. Grant were being proposed now for inclusion on our currency, there would be a huge pushback from Neo-Confederates.

Can you imagine the neo-Confederate whining if it were proposed to put General Sherman on the $50 bill instead of Grant?

48 William Lewis  Jun 2, 2015 8:04:38pm

re: #32 Feline Fearless Leader

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:)

I always loved this photo.

Nice Argus C4!

49 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 2, 2015 8:05:28pm

re: #44 Kragar

They don’t count. Augustine and Aquinas were Catholics — heathens and apostates!

50 Kragar  Jun 2, 2015 8:06:10pm
Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren.
51 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 2, 2015 8:06:19pm

re: #47 EPR-radar

Can you imagine the neo-Confederate whining if it were proposed to put General Sherman on the $50 bill instead of Grant?

Sadly, yes, I can.

52 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 2, 2015 8:06:22pm

re: #37 CleverToad

Enjoying the scans! This one’s a classic.

I’m looking into doing anti-blur work as well. Just so many that are a bit (or a lot out of focus). Indicates to me how spoiled I am by the automatic work my Nikon does. Some in here that are real nice pictures of a gorge - but they’re dark since I expect my father had a shorter exposure setting going due to pictures just before (that were not into the gorge) had much more light.

That mirror shot shows my father’s older camera. No idea what brand or make it is. He replaced it with a Canon AE-1 sometime later in the 70s.

I also saw a picture with my brother carrying a pair of binoculars. That same pair is sitting on a shelf in my living room.

53 Kragar  Jun 2, 2015 8:06:58pm

re: #47 EPR-radar

Can you imagine the neo-Confederate whining if it were proposed to put General Sherman on the $50 bill instead of Grant?

SHERMANIZE ALL THE MONIES!

54 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 2, 2015 8:08:41pm

Kids have pretty good BS detectors. The ones exposed to creationist indoctrination will often spot the half-truths, strawmen, and outright fabrications that make up the bulk of creationist arguments. These kids will not learn to love Jesus, they will learn that deceit, hypocrisy, and the methodology of the con-artist are acceptable ways to get ahead in society.

It is not just a mistaken or ignorant idea, it is downright evil.

55 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 2, 2015 8:09:02pm

re: #48 William Lewis

Nice Argus C4!

Ooh. Is that the camera make!!?! Never knew that.

56 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 2, 2015 8:10:46pm

re: #53 Kragar

SHERMANIZE ALL THE MONIES!

Has anyone seriously proposed R.E. Lee or Jeff Davis as currency faces — I mean, since 1865?

57 BlueSpotinAL  Jun 2, 2015 8:11:19pm

re: #43 b_sharp

As a young adolescent I lived with my YEC paternal grandparents and that time convinced me YECism was nonsense. Back in 2002 I joined Talk Origins in order to learn evolution and biology because I was running up against a lot of YECs in my own family. I spent several years at T.O. learning at the feet of some highly intelligent scientists and branched out to Free Republic in about 2005 because it was a YEC stronghold.

In 2007 I started focusing on AGW/Climate Change because that seemed to be the new target of malignant anti-science. As with evolution I spent most of my time talking with scientists and verifying I actually understood at a layman’s level the important science behind the research. I expected to find a site where I could hone my chops against deniers, but then 2009 happened. The US elected a socialist, atheist, Muslim as president, the shit hit the fan, and I ended up here.

A few years later, racism and fundamentalism is oozing from the walls of the Internet and I find myself going back to defending science against the YECs who have apparently found new support among all the haters who found the balls to crawl out from under their rocks because a black man was elected president.

They haven’t changed their arguments, but they have released a whole new cohort of young, confused, uneducated, extremely well indoctrinated youngsters to do their work for them.

I remember you from those talk.origins days.

58 Belafon  Jun 2, 2015 8:11:26pm

re: #54 Shiplord Kirel

Kids have pretty good BS detectors. The ones exposed to creationist indoctrination will often spot the half-truths, strawmen, and outright fabrications that make up the bulk of creationist arguments. These kids will not learn to love Jesus, they will learn that deceit, hypocrisy, and the methodology of the con-artist are acceptable ways to get ahead in society.

It is not just a mistaken or ignorant idea, it is downright evil.

Depends on the kid and family. My kids, no problem. Me as a kid, no problem. But I know plenty of kids who will take any information home and run it by their parents.

59 EPR-radar  Jun 2, 2015 8:11:58pm

re: #44 Kragar

You can’t really call this kind of thinking “Dark Age” mentality because even in the Dark Ages, many Christians realized the Bible was allegorical and believed in trusting science.

Another reason it is bad to call creationism in the 21st century an example of Dark Age thinking is that for most of human history, including the Dark Ages, people were mostly doing the best that they reasonably could to deal with reality. It took centuries for the accumulated weight of scientific progress to provide models that worked significantly better than superstition and baseless speculation, and since that gap has opened up, scientific progress has been rapid.

To reject much or all of that progress in favor of a return to deliberately ignorant superstition is a distinctly modern thing to do, and can have no real parallel in pre-modern history.

60 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 2, 2015 8:12:11pm

re: #48 William Lewis

re: #55 Feline Fearless Leader

Argus were high quality rangefinders, right?

61 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 2, 2015 8:12:40pm

re: #55 Feline Fearless Leader

Ooh. Is that the camera make!!?! Never knew that.

Checking on Wikipedia that is probable. Looks like it was made 1951-57. And that would match my father graduating college and going into the Navy. And he’d buy a new camera as the lead-in to that adventure.

62 freetoken  Jun 2, 2015 8:13:31pm

re: #59 EPR-radar

Modern American creationism is a reactionary movement, part of the bigger picture of the problems with the 20th and now the 21st centuries.

63 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 2, 2015 8:14:48pm

re: #60 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Argus were high quality rangefinders, right?

Appears that the preceeding C3 model was very popular.

en.wikipedia.org

64 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 2, 2015 8:15:24pm

I think this is somewhere near my house, but I’ve forgotten exactly where.

65 William Lewis  Jun 2, 2015 8:15:56pm

re: #55 Feline Fearless Leader

Ooh. Is that the camera make!!?! Never knew that.

Yep. Reasonable, cheap, reliable. Not bad cameras, very typically American in many ways. His Canon was a huge leap forward when he got it.

66 b_sharp  Jun 2, 2015 8:16:05pm

re: #57 BlueSpotinAL

I remember you from those talk.origins days.

It was a long time ago. Nice to see somebody remembers me.

67 EPR-radar  Jun 2, 2015 8:16:15pm

re: #62 freetoken

Modern American creationism is a reactionary movement, part of the bigger picture of the problems with the 20th and now the 21st centuries.

There been a lot of progress in the past few centuries, and conservatives have been against all of it.

It really is kind of hard to justify the existence of deliberate conservatism in politics, except in the immediate aftermath of some kind of revolutionary excess (which in fact is exactly how it got started).

68 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 2, 2015 8:17:27pm

re: #63 Feline Fearless Leader

Appears that the preceeding C3 model was very popular.

en.wikipedia.org

I think my dad might have had one.

69 EPR-radar  Jun 2, 2015 8:17:29pm

re: #66 b_sharp

It was a long time ago. Nice to see somebody remembers me.

I’m old enough to remember talk.origins (read some there, never posted). Some of the creationists there were astonishingly persistent.

70 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 2, 2015 8:18:14pm

re: #65 William Lewis

Yep. Reasonable, cheap, reliable. Not bad cameras, very typically American in many ways. His Canon was a huge leap forward when he got it.

It will be interesting to see if I can pick up the transition when I get to that period in the slides. Should be in this first box since it looks to be roughly 1970-1979 time period. And I posted a reflecting picture (Christmas ball) that shows the Canon being used to take the picture.

71 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 2, 2015 8:18:21pm

re: #64 Shiplord Kirel

That’s pretty funny, actually.

72 William Lewis  Jun 2, 2015 8:18:25pm

re: #60 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Argus were high quality rangefinders, right?

Moderate quality, I’d say. Real quality rangefinders were made by Canon, Nikon & Leica and each cost more than the last. I have an old Canon 7 rangefinder as my last 35mm film camera and it’s much nicer than an Argus. That said, the Argus was priced so that an average worker could have a decent camera on vacation.

73 scottslemmons  Jun 2, 2015 8:18:43pm

Perhaps non-crazy doctors in Louisiana need to start checking whether their patients are creationists. Non-creationists get medicine; creationists get a cross and exhortations to pray harder to git the demons out.

74 b_sharp  Jun 2, 2015 8:20:52pm

re: #69 EPR-radar

I’m old enough to remember talk.origins (read some there, never posted). Some of the creationists there were astonishingly persistent.

Some from back then are still there now, giving the same arguments.

75 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 2, 2015 8:21:39pm

re: #72 William Lewis

Moderate quality, I’d say. Real quality rangefinders were made by Canon, Nikon & Leica and each cost more than the last. I have an old Canon 7 rangefinder as my last 35mm film camera and it’s much nicer than an Argus. That said, the Argus was priced so that an average worker could have a decent camera on vacation.

Yeah, my folks didn’t have the kind of money to afford a higher end camera, so that makes sense.

But Dad did have an Exa SLR. He didn’t use it all that much, then after his retirement he started to play around with it again.

76 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 2, 2015 8:23:52pm

re: #72 William Lewis

Moderate quality, I’d say. Real quality rangefinders were made by Canon, Nikon & Leica and each cost more than the last. I have an old Canon 7 rangefinder as my last 35mm film camera and it’s much nicer than an Argus. That said, the Argus was priced so that an average worker could have a decent camera on vacation.

From the Wikipedia page it says the Canon 7 was initially produced in 1961. The Argus C3 was in production from 1939 to 1966. In comparison the Leica M3 started production in 1954. So I’d say the Argus C3 is essentially a previous generation. (And the C4 my father had looks like an attempt to modernize “the Brick’s” appearance a bit.)

And compared to the Canon I bet my dad preferred to fiddle with things a bit. He was an engineer.

77 Bear  Jun 2, 2015 8:23:54pm

re: #70 Feline Fearless Leader

I have several thousand 35 mm slides that my father and I took. Dads color slides started in 1939 during the SF Fair. That camera was a Balda Jublette

78 Kragar  Jun 2, 2015 8:24:18pm
79 Cheechako  Jun 2, 2015 8:24:24pm

re: #60 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Argus were high quality rangefinders, right?

I still have my Dad’s Argus C-44 camera including a couple of extra lenses and flash.

80 EPR-radar  Jun 2, 2015 8:24:59pm

re: #74 b_sharp

Some from back then are still there now, giving the same arguments.

Robert Bales and Ted Holden?

81 Belafon  Jun 2, 2015 8:25:07pm

“I’d love to hire Americans, but they’re not educated enough for the type of work we do. That’s why we bring in workers from other countries.”

82 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 2, 2015 8:27:17pm

re: #79 Cheechako

I still have my Dad’s Argus C-44 camera including a couple of extra lenses and flash.

I should see what’s in the one camera bag in the closet. I suspect it will be a Canon AT-1 and some additional glass. Probably a telephoto lens at a minimum. My brother probably has the AE-1, and possibly the Argus too. But he went digital with a decent Pentax a while back and has no plans to go back to film. Since he takes macro pictures of rocks he doesn’t not miss the issues he had getting film through airports.

83 allegro  Jun 2, 2015 8:28:29pm

re: #62 freetoken

Modern American creationism is a reactionary movement, part of the bigger picture of the problems with the 20th and now the 21st centuries.

I know this sounds cliched at this point but I can clearly see this coming about in the 80s. Yeah Reagan, Fallwell, the RR. I was like in first grade in Enid, OK in the 50s hearing about Scopes and how silly they were to not accept evolution. It just wasn’t an issue. It was in the 80s when someone said they didn’t believe in evolution and I laughed. Of course it was a joke. Wait, you aren’t joking? My gast was flabbered. It was about then that I left the FWS for the university position and every year there were a few more students coming in with this nonsense. It got worse every year after. Fighting this stupid, ignorant battle that just grew increasingly aggressive is one of the main reasons I took early retirement. Students were coming into my classes less and less prepared so I felt as though I was no longer teaching college classes but remedial junior high science. It was exhausting and just no fun anymore.

84 CleverToad  Jun 2, 2015 8:29:02pm

re: #52 Feline Fearless Leader

Old pics are so much fun. One of the waytoomany projects I need to work on is scanning more of my mother’s photo collection. We scanned a bunch of the OLD family pics about ten years ago (1890s-1930s or so) but have done very few of the ones from my generation yet. Mom has pictures and even some negatives from the Brownie camera her dad bought in 1917.

85 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 2, 2015 8:31:35pm

Busy day at the shop today. I’m going to stop making a pot of my good Cafe du Monde Coffee (W/Chicory) because I never get a chance to enjoy a cup of it.

I’m going to enjoy a cup of Plantation Mint tea (it’s real tea, flavored with mint) and then go to bed.

RBS

86 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 2, 2015 8:32:27pm

re: #84 CleverToad

Old pics are so much fun. One of the waytoomany projects I need to work on is scanning more of my mother’s photo collection. We scanned a bunch of the OLD family pics about ten years ago (1890s-1930s or so) but have done very few of the ones from my generation yet. Mom has pictures and even some negatives from the Brownie camera her dad bought in 1917.

It’s becoming a little time machine adventure for me. I am recognizing places, people, *clothes*. And this saves me taking a Yellowstone vacation for a few years. ;)

87 HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2015 8:33:43pm

re: #84 CleverToad

Old pics are so much fun. One of the waytoomany projects I need to work on is scanning more of my mother’s photo collection. We scanned a bunch of the OLD family pics about ten years ago (1890s-1930s or so) but have done very few of the ones from my generation yet. Mom has pictures and even some negatives from the Brownie camera her dad bought in 1917.

My grandmother’s sister had some home videos done in the 30’s so we got to see some footage of my grandmother and great aunts. Really cool to see. OTOH I wish there were some photos of my mom’s folks, their siblings, and their folks but there aren’t that many and I think the reason was they were quite poor.

88 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 2, 2015 8:33:57pm

re: #86 Feline Fearless Leader

It’s becoming a little time machine adventure for me. I am recognizing places, people, *clothes*. And this saves me taking a Yellowstone vacation for a few years. ;)

LIES, there is never a good reason to delay a Yellowstone vacation.

/I get one day this year, but that’s a damn sight better than no days.

89 allegro  Jun 2, 2015 8:34:30pm

re: #85 RealityBasedSteve

Busy day at the shop today. I’m going to stop making a pot of my good Cafe du Monde Coffee (W/Chicory) because I never get a chance to enjoy a cup of it.

I’m going to enjoy a cup of Plantation Mint tea (it’s real tea, flavored with mint) and then go to bed.

RBS

I like to brew green tea and Plantation mint together for iced tea. Delicious.

90 William Lewis  Jun 2, 2015 8:34:32pm

Fun stuff, but time to go do the workie workie thing instead. Have a good night lizards!

91 Belafon  Jun 2, 2015 8:34:56pm

re: #88 klys (maker of Silmarils)

LIES, there is never a good reason to delay a Yellowstone vacation.

/I get one day this year, but that’s a damn sight better than no days.

The road melting in Yellowstone is probably a good reason to delay.

92 CleverToad  Jun 2, 2015 8:37:00pm

re: #86 Feline Fearless Leader

Oh yeah, the clothes. Looking at the double-knits in horse-blanket plaids and remembering how danged uncomfortable they were, let alone unbecoming. What were we thinking?!?

93 freetoken  Jun 2, 2015 8:37:11pm

Creationism of itself can not do much harm, I think. However, it is a litmus test (yes, really). Creationism is accompanied by other types of religious teachings that are far more harmful.

E.g., Duggar Badness - the inability to deal with sexuality as a natural function because the body is viewed as fallen.

94 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 2, 2015 8:37:25pm

re: #91 Belafon

The road melting in Yellowstone is probably a good reason to delay.

One teeny section of road on one side of the park, likely related to poor asphalt choice.

One of the geyser gazers I chat with regularly is a former transportation department guy. >.>

95 HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2015 8:38:18pm

One of my most cherished personal items is a complication of writings by my Nana that my aunt compiled together not long after she died. She wrote them retrospectively in the early 90’s not long after her last sister died mostly about my Grandfather and the love she had for him but also about her childhood. I came off really impressed with how observant, intelligent, occasionally funny my Nana was. She has one instance where she’s talking about my Grandfather and how even a Republican (she was a staunch Democrat and I think got my grandfather in that camp since he came from a Republican family) about how even a Republican could see how great a man he was. But where I teared up some is when she briefly mentions me and how she hoped to see me do my ice skating lessons that I was doing at the time and another time she mentions a mix tape that my Dad and I made for her with my name on it. Really this was probably the most kind person I’ve ever met. I read her words and think it’s a shame how my kid brother only knew her after she had lost her memory and how others like my niece and children of some of my couins never knew her.

96 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 2, 2015 8:40:05pm

re: #88 klys (maker of Silmarils)

LIES, there is never a good reason to delay a Yellowstone vacation.

/I get one day this year, but that’s a damn sight better than no days.

Heh.

True. But I’m working on new places in the next few years. Boston, Civil War battlefields in Northern VA, and hopefully France next year.

Then I look at something like this and want to go west now. :(

near Banff
97 freetoken  Jun 2, 2015 8:40:37pm

Related to sexuality is the view of women. Creationists almost always have a patriarchal view of the family with the male as the head and the female as his servant.

The Shem, Ham, and Japheth story is an ancient excuse for discrimination which has gotten recycled endlessly as a reason dark skinned people are cursed.

And then of course there is the story of Sodom…

98 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 2, 2015 8:41:04pm

re: #92 CleverToad

Oh yeah, the clothes. Looking at the double-knits in horse-blanket plaids and remembering how danged uncomfortable they were, let alone unbecoming. What were we thinking?!?

I saw a kepi in some sort of colorful pattern on my brother’s head.

99 HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2015 8:41:19pm

Photos I think bring the past so much closer to home. Same Nana I mention, whenever I would visit her as a kid, the first place I would go to a big box of photos she kept underneath the guest bed in her house and she would tell me about all the people in the photos if I could not identify them. I don’t know which of my aunts, uncles, or cousins got that box after she passed but I hope someone got it. I took two books from her home when she passed that I felt represented her. A photo book of her native Pittsburgh and another photo book of Ireland which is where her grandparents and great grandparents had emigrated from and she thankfully got to visit in her life.

100 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 2, 2015 8:41:24pm

re: #96 Feline Fearless Leader

Heh.

True. But I’m working on new places in the next few years. Boston, Civil War battlefields in Northern VA, and hopefully France next year.

Then I look at something like this and want to go west now. :(

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Banff and Glacier didn’t make the cut this year for reasons, but are definitely high on the list for soon.

I’d say we are trying for new places but he is pushing for 3 weeks in Japan next year so…

101 HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2015 8:42:20pm

New places are always fun to try. Hoping to go west this summer myself.

102 freetoken  Jun 2, 2015 8:43:23pm

re: #100 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I prefer fall for photos in Japan, but spring has its charms too. Color is best in the north usually in October, in Kansai around November.

103 Bear  Jun 2, 2015 8:43:38pm

One nice thing is that Kodachrome 35mm slides have the processing date stamped on them. Thus that helps me recalling where and what was going on when the picture was taken.

104 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 2, 2015 8:43:46pm

re: #101 HappyWarrior

New places are always fun to try. Hoping to go west this summer myself.

Since my sister got the job we’ll be moving her out west towards the end of July. Mostly drive-through stuff, but working hard to get one full day in Yellowstone. It’s going to be the three of us sisters in the car, and the baby hasn’t been.

Also on the list: the Badlands, Wall Drugs, and the Corn Palace.

105 b_sharp  Jun 2, 2015 8:43:48pm

re: #80 EPR-radar

Robert Bales and Ted Holden?

Ray Martinez & Glenn (can’t remember his last name)

John McNameless seems to have disappeared.

Edit: Come to think of it I may have seen Holden’s name last time I was there a few months ago.

106 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 2, 2015 8:45:10pm

re: #102 freetoken

I prefer fall for photos in Japan, but spring has its charms too. Color is best in the north usually in October, in Kansai around November.

Cherry blossoms. Also, I haven’t done Kyoto or Hiroshima yet, and he’d like to go back to the Kanagawa area, and there’s all of Kyushu, and the food in Osaka…

107 CleverToad  Jun 2, 2015 8:45:21pm

re: #95 HappyWarrior

That’s priceless — a wonderful keepsake to keep her memories alive

108 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 2, 2015 8:47:10pm

re: #104 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Since my sister got the job we’ll be moving her out west towards the end of July. Mostly drive-through stuff, but working hard to get one full day in Yellowstone. It’s going to be the three of us sisters in the car, and the baby hasn’t been.

Also on the list: the Badlands, Wall Drugs, and the Corn Palace.

I think there are Corn Palace shots on the next carousel. :D

109 allegro  Jun 2, 2015 8:47:24pm

re: #93 freetoken

Creationism of itself can not do much harm, I think. However, it is a litmus test (yes, really). Creationism is accompanied by other types of religious teachings that are far more harmful.

E.g., Duggar Badness - the inability to deal with sexuality as a natural function because the body is viewed as fallen.

It is a litmus test indeed however I disagree that it in itself doesn’t do much harm. Of course my perspective is one of a university biology professor. As I said above, students are coming in increasingly unprepared with basic science understanding they should have well learned long before. The bullshit the RR have brought into the schools have flat out bullied teachers and administrators into avoiding teaching science because they just don’t want the headaches. It affects all disciplines ultimately.

110 HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2015 8:48:23pm

re: #107 CleverToad

That’s priceless — a wonderful keepsake to keep her memories alive

It also proved invaluable when starting our family tree but it really reminded me just how lucky I was to have known here but it of course made me sad since she’s been gone ten years already and it’s hard for me to read about my grandfather and not want to cry a little since I never knew him. I’ve had so many people tell me how great a guy he was. They really loved each other and he really valued her as his equal.

111 BobC  Jun 2, 2015 8:49:24pm

In another email exchange with Rowland, a parent had complained that a different teacher, Cindy Tolliver, actually taught that evolution was a “fact.” This parent complained that Tolliver was “pushing her twisted religious beliefs onto the class.” Principal Rowland responded, “I can assure you this will not happen again.”
Obviously Rowland needs to be fired and publicly humiliated. I wonder how Ms. Tolliver reacted when her moronic boss threatened her for being competent. The stupidity is out of control in Idiot America.

112 HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2015 8:49:36pm

re: #109 allegro

It is a litmus test indeed however I disagree that it in itself doesn’t do much harm. Of course my perspective is one of a university biology professor. As I said above, students are coming in increasingly unprepared with basic science understanding they should have well learned long before. The bullshit the RR have brought into the schools have flat out bullied teachers and administrators into avoiding teaching science because they just don’t want the headaches. It affects all disciplines ultimately.

Right, it affects all the disciplines and it really is too bad that teachers and admins feel the need to avoid it because they don’t want the local RR group crying that they’re discriminating against Christians. I am afraid it will bite us in the ass if it hasn’t already.

113 CleverToad  Jun 2, 2015 8:50:34pm

re: #103 Bear

Dates on pictures are very helpful! Very rare in Mom’s collection, but helpful. “Let’s see, how old do the kids look in this shot…? What year did we sell the red station wagon…? Which house was that…?”

114 freetoken  Jun 2, 2015 8:50:38pm

re: #109 allegro

I guess the question I have is whether your students are coming in unprepared because of creationism, or if they just didn’t have a good high school education in general.

What’s the biggest problem you are finding? I.e., language (English), math (quantitative thinking), general science knowledge, mental discipline?

115 Bear  Jun 2, 2015 8:50:39pm

re: #106 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I got a ticket for riding a bike in Kyoto in 1946.

116 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 2, 2015 8:52:10pm

re: #115 Bear

I got a ticket for riding a bike in Kyoto in 1946.

My grandparents weren’t even married in 1946.

>.>

117 freetoken  Jun 2, 2015 8:52:43pm

Fox is really pushing that the big story around the Duggars is the release of the police report:

Release of Josh Duggar’s Police Report Raises New Legal Questions

Totally ignoring the unwillingness of the parents to take proper steps to protect the innocent.

118 HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2015 8:54:40pm

re: #117 freetoken

Fox is really pushing that the big story around the Duggars is the release of the police report:

Release of Josh Duggar’s Police Report Raises New Legal Questions

Totally ignoring the unwillingness of the parents to take proper steps to protect the innocent.

Gee, it’s too bad that he wasn’t a young black man shot unarmed black the cops because otherwise Fox would be trying to find everything he ever did wrong in his life in an attempt to vindicate the police. FFS. Gotta love the right, Josh Duggar is a victim but Michael Brown, Treyvon Martin, etc all had ti coming.

119 CleverToad  Jun 2, 2015 8:55:17pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

It’s already biting us, in an ignorant electorate and an unprepared workforce. The teethmarks are just going to get deeper.

120 HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2015 8:56:24pm

re: #119 CleverToad

It’s already biting us, in an ignorant electorate and an unprepared workforce. The teethmarks are just going to get deeper.

Yeah we have a much lower belief in science than what a developed nation ought to.

121 freetoken  Jun 2, 2015 8:56:58pm

A typical tweet:

Anything to divert from looking at the real problems of the Duggars.

122 Dark_Falcon  Jun 2, 2015 8:58:06pm

re: #29 RealityBasedSteve

152 years ago today, Harriet Tubman led union soldiers on a raid that destroyed plantations & freed over 700 slaves.

Another example of a diversity thug ganging with the Feral Gubment to strip law abiding Christians of their property rights. Takers all of them

“War is cruelty, you cannot refine it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.” - Lt. Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman
Despite his largely negative depiction in Glory, Col. James Montgomery was one of the Union officers who had come to see striking at the South’s economy as being more effective than striking at the Confederate Army. Charleston’s forts were well armed and strong, but the soldiers manning them needed to eat and burning plantations and freeing slaves not only struck at the ability of the region to supply its troops, it also went directly after the planter class chiefly responsible for the war.

It should be noted however, that such tactics, justified and successful though they were, also created major blowback in terms of white southern anger, blowback that even today has not fully abated. But there was likely nothing for it, as Harriet Tubman understood: South Carolina was the home of the most ardent secessionists and its level of defiance meant that bringing it to heel would require tactics of material devastation and desolation.

123 HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2015 8:59:01pm

Growing more and more into a cynic everyday. If Duggar had been an unarmed black man shot and killed by the police, the wingnuts would be looking for anything in his past to justify killing him. Josh Duggar and his family are rightfully being called out for pedophila and doing nothing about it and they defend him. Must be fucking nice.

124 HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2015 9:00:55pm

Seriously fuck the Duggars. Fuck the politicians who enabled their bigotry by posing with Josh too. And especially fuck Mike Huckabee who continues to defend this piece of shit all the while still making savage attacks on gay and trans people.

125 freetoken  Jun 2, 2015 9:01:08pm
126 Dark_Falcon  Jun 2, 2015 9:03:39pm

re: #117 freetoken

Fox is really pushing that the big story around the Duggars is the release of the police report:

Release of Josh Duggar’s Police Report Raises New Legal Questions

Totally ignoring the unwillingness of the parents to take proper steps to protect the innocent.

What in your view should they have done? I’m not asking in a hostile manner, I really want to know.

127 HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2015 9:03:59pm

I am honestly shocked they’er going this route. Doesn’t anyone at Fox have a daughter? A kid sister that they would protect? a niece? A granddaughter? Amazing what being an evangelical Christian can do for you in the conservative world. It’s all forgiveness but it’s perfectly okay to continue to say bigoted crap about gay people, trans people, working women, non-evangelicals, etc but yeah sure Josh go ahead and touch your underaged sister, we’ll just sweep it under the rug and hand the case over to our cop friend who liked underaged kids too and send you to a camp run by our friend the pedo because that’s family values.

128 CleverToad  Jun 2, 2015 9:04:44pm

Hafta go to sleep and miss all the fun again, phlbbbt
Niteynite, o lizards, sweet dreams

This is why I have to learn how to Photoshop someday — indoor shot, dim light, color slide film. Maybe there’s a way to lighten & tone down the red.

(Me in the gloves, circa 1960)
129 HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2015 9:05:11pm

re: #126 Dark_Falcon

What in your view should they have done? I’m not asking in a hostile manner, I really want to know.

Uh gone to the police immediately and not used their family as a reality TV show and portrayed themselves as this “All-American family that is moral and holier than thou.” Jim Bob and Michelle are just as fucked up as Josh in this story as far as I’m concerned.

130 HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2015 9:08:29pm

And yeah this pisses me off. Because these assholes and the politicians that enable them continue to spread lies about gay people who just want to be treated equally and not be discriminated against because of who they love. These people preach crap about how Muslims worship a pedophile. They put down liberalism as an immoral and even demonic ideology all the fuck while they sat on their asses when they had a son touching his sisters. And to top it off they belong to a sect that blames victims of sexual assault for them being assaulted.

131 freetoken  Jun 2, 2015 9:08:44pm

re: #126 Dark_Falcon

What in your view should they have done? I’m not asking in a hostile manner, I really want to know.

The #1 problem staring America in the face wrt Josh Duggar is how poorly sexual misconduct is treated and how a cloistered community - in this case Jim Bob Duggar and his associates such as Bill Gothard - enables people to not address this issue as it needs to be.

But Fox appears not to want to go there, because then the nature of the entire religious cult will have to be investigated and that will expose why indeed fundamentalism can lead to these kinds of problems.

And given that Fox (Murdoch) is profiting by selling the Christians-are-being-martyred-in-America scam, the last thing you’re going to see on Fox is an investigation into the problems of Christian fundamentalism in this country.

132 goddamnedfrank  Jun 2, 2015 9:09:11pm

re: #126 Dark_Falcon

What in your view should they have done?

Not blamed the entire LGBT community for the exact same shit they covered up.

133 HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2015 9:11:11pm

re: #132 goddamnedfrank

Not blamed the entire LGBT community for the exact same shit they covered up.

Yeah Frank, at the very least they could have stopped doing ads that spread the lie that being LGBT causes sexual abuse to happen. At the very least they could have done that but they didn’t. It’s just like Fox to defend these bastards too. Fox will defend anyone who’s in team Conservative if they think it will push the message that conservatives in this country are victims of the mean old left.

134 Dark_Falcon  Jun 2, 2015 9:12:11pm

re: #129 HappyWarrior

Uh gone to the police immediately and not used their family as a reality TV show and portrayed themselves as this “All-American family that is moral and holier than thou.” Jim Bob and Michelle are just as fucked up as Josh in this story as far as I’m concerned.

Most parents don’t want to throw their son to the wolves and having prosecuted would have had that effect. It also would have made the family into social outcasts for a good while, simply because of the severe stigma that comes from a member of a family being discovered to be a child molester. It’s certainly understandable why, given those realities, Jim Bob and Michelle wanted things kept quiet.

I’m not agreeing with their decision, but their motives in making it were not all bad ones.

135 The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 2, 2015 9:13:31pm

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

Most parents don’t want to throw their son to the wolves and having prosecuted would have had that effect. It also would have made the family into social outcasts for a good while, simply because of the severe stigma that comes from a member of a family being discovered to be a child molester. It’s certainly understandable why, given those realities, Jim Bob and Michelle wanted things kept quiet.

I’m not agreeing with their decision, but their motives in making it were not all bad ones.

Except for the part where they had to chuck four daughters to the wolves.

And however they got the not-a-daughter victim to shut up.

136 allegro  Jun 2, 2015 9:15:56pm

re: #114 freetoken

I guess the question I have is whether your students are coming in unprepared because of creationism, or if they just didn’t have a good high school education in general.

What’s the biggest problem you are finding? I.e., language (English), math (quantitative thinking), general science knowledge, mental discipline?

I encountered it primarily in Bio 101 that all students are required to take. There isn’t much math involved there - my bio statistics classes hammered everyone but that was an advanced majors class - so I can’t speak to that. Mental discipline is always an issue for freshmen. LOL It was certainly an increasing lack of general science understanding, even something so basic as cellular structure or phylum organization or simple AaBb genetics. When I started teaching that used to be one of my favorite courses to teach since I could pull all of their past science education together and watch the lights snap on in their heads as they started to see the connections and get excited. Without those basics I felt like I was constantly trying to fill in the pot holes in a dirt road. The only other area I heard similar complaints from other profs was English and especially literature.

137 goddamnedfrank  Jun 2, 2015 9:16:35pm

re: #132 goddamnedfrank

Because if they hadn’t done that, acted literally holier than thou, and horribly demonized an entire segment of society, nobody would have gone digging into Josh Duggar’s past.

And while I get that there’s a certain impropriety in unearthing records that should have been sealed, those records also impugn the characters of JimBob and Clown-Car Vagina Duggar, who’ve marketed themselves to the tune of millions of dollars on their Christian uber parent status. If they hadn’t victimized innocent people along the way this wouldn’t be an issue for most. But of course they did, and continue to, and their “Church” literally uses up women’s bodies and turns them into incubators with legs. Incubators that don’t apparently have the right within their marriages to say no.

138 HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2015 9:17:12pm

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

Most parents don’t want to throw their son to the wolves and having prosecuted would have had that effect. It also would have made the family into social outcasts for a good while, simply because of the severe stigma that comes from a member of a family being discovered to be a child molester. It’s certainly understandable why, given those realities, Jim Bob and Michelle wanted things kept quiet.

I’m not agreeing with their decision, but their motives in making it were not all bad ones.

Okay what about my point about making themselves into reality TV stars and Frank’s bit about continuing to lie about LGBT people and child abuse? And what about their daughters? Didn’t they throw them to the wolf by continuing to keep Josh around? Jim Bob was on record as saying that people who commit incest and rape should be executed. Funny how that changed when Sonny Boy did it huh. He failed as a father to protect his daughters here.

139 bubba zanetti  Jun 2, 2015 9:17:59pm

re: #128 CleverToad

Doesn’t take much playing around to get some decent results. I’m no expert by any means.

140 HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2015 9:18:38pm

re: #135 The Ghost of a Flea

Except for the part where they had to chuck four daughters to the wolves.

And however they got the not-a-daughter victim to shut up.

Exactly. We want to talk about throwing to the wolves. They threw their own daughters to the wolf right there when they swept it under the table.

141 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 2, 2015 9:19:30pm

re: #140 HappyWarrior

Exactly. We want to talk about throwing to the wolves. They threw their own daughter to the wolf right there when they swept it under the table.

Daughters. Four of them.

Not as important as one son.

142 Dark_Falcon  Jun 2, 2015 9:20:54pm

re: #138 HappyWarrior

Okay what about my point about making themselves into reality TV stars and Frank’s bit about continuing to lie about LGBT people and child abuse? And what about their daughters? Didn’t they throw them to the wolf by continuing to keep Josh around? Jim Bob was on record as saying that people who commit incest and rape should be executed. Funny how that changed when Sonny Boy did it huh. He failed as a father to protect his daughters here.

It could be argued that they did not, at least as far as there is no evidence of Josh committing any further crimes after his parents confronted him about his misdeeds. It’s quite possible Jim Bob let him know if he ever did something like that again he’d end up in an unmarked grave. But that last is just speculation.

143 goddamnedfrank  Jun 2, 2015 9:21:09pm

You should really look into how their movement treats women.

I could’ve been a Duggar Wife.

You should read the whole thing, it’s chilling. Then really give some consideration to how the Duggars view their daughters.

144 The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 2, 2015 9:22:41pm

re: #135 The Ghost of a Flea

…which is not to say they were actually doing Josh a favor with the massive cover-up, either.

If at 15 you’re touching up a 12 year-olds and 5-year-olds, you’re not in the normal range of teenage sexual exploration. You’re deeply fucked up and desperately need help.

But getting him actually help with understanding sexual urges and appropriate contact is just as unthinkable as not making the girls feel like they provoked their brother. Both their cults—Quiverfull and Gothard—postulate men as incapable of sexual restraint, but also as the naturally dominant parties. Mistakes happen on the way to being a proper just-below-God family patriarch.

145 blueraven  Jun 2, 2015 9:23:07pm

Fascinating exposé of The Russian Troll factory known as the Internet Research Agency. NY Times: The Agency

Around 8:30 a.m. on Sept. 11 last year, Duval Arthur, director of the Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness for St. Mary Parish, Louisiana, got a call from a resident who had just received a disturbing text message. “Toxic fume hazard warning in this area until 1:30 PM,” the message read. “Take Shelter. Check Local Media and columbiachemical.com.”

St. Mary Parish is home to many processing plants for chemicals and natural gas, and keeping track of dangerous accidents at those plants is Arthur’s job. But he hadn’t heard of any chemical release that morning. In fact, he hadn’t even heard of Columbia Chemical. St. Mary Parish had a Columbian Chemicals plant, which made carbon black, a petroleum product used in rubber and plastics. But he’d heard nothing from them that morning, either. Soon, two other residents called and reported the same text message. Arthur was worried: Had one of his employees sent out an alert without telling him?

If Arthur had checked Twitter, he might have become much more worried. Hundreds of Twitter accounts were documenting a disaster right down the road. “A powerful explosion heard from miles away happened at a chemical plant in Centerville, Louisiana #ColumbianChemicals,” a man named Jon Merritt tweeted. The #ColumbianChemicals hashtag was full of eyewitness accounts of the horror in Centerville. @AnnRussela shared an image of flames engulfing the plant. @Ksarah12 posted a video of surveillance footage from a local gas station, capturing the flash of the explosion. Others shared a video in which thick black smoke rose in the distance.

Dozens of journalists, media outlets and politicians, from Louisiana to New York City, found their Twitter accounts inundated with messages about the disaster. “Heather, I’m sure that the explosion at the #ColumbianChemicals is really dangerous. Louisiana is really screwed now,” a user named @EricTraPPP tweeted at the New Orleans Times-Picayune reporter Heather Nolan. Another posted a screenshot of CNN’s home page, showing that the story had already made national news. ISIS had claimed credit for the attack, according to one YouTube video; in it, a man showed his TV screen, tuned to an Arabic news channel, on which masked ISIS fighters delivered a speech next to looping footage of an explosion. A woman named Anna McClaren (@zpokodon9) tweeted at Karl Rove: “Karl, Is this really ISIS who is responsible for #ColumbianChemicals? Tell @Obama that we should bomb Iraq!” But anyone who took the trouble to check cnn.com would have found no news of a spectacular Sept. 11 attack by ISIS. It was all fake: the screenshot, the videos, the photographs.

Much More…

146 EPR-radar  Jun 2, 2015 9:25:20pm

It seems kind of rude (and pathetic) to downding the OP without providing anything by way of explanation.

Perhaps there is some factual error there that can be explained in a comment. Oh hell, who am I kidding.

147 HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2015 9:25:35pm

re: #142 Dark_Falcon

It could be argued that they did not, at least as far as there is no evidence of Josh committing any further crimes after his parents confronted him about his misdeeds. It’s quite possible Jim Bob let him know if he ever did something like that again he’d end up in an unmarked grave. But that last is just speculation.

No way to know 100% that he would never do it again at the time. It’s fortunate that he did not seem to have did it again but you don’t get to cover up a crime because you think someone will never do it again. The fact of the matter is they acted improperly here and yes definitely threw their daughters to the wolf regardless of whether he committed the act again. Do you think those girls felt comfortable being in the same house as the person who abused them and knowing that Mom and Dad swept it under the rug and then presented your family as the “Good Christian family.”

148 Dark_Falcon  Jun 2, 2015 9:26:46pm

re: #145 blueraven

Fascinating exposé of The Russian Troll factory known as the Internet Research Agency. NY Times: The Agency

Russian Intelligence types call this kind of fake story “Active Measures”, the objective being to sow fear and mistrust amid the targeted population.

149 EPR-radar  Jun 2, 2015 9:27:42pm

re: #141 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Daughters. Four of them.

Not as important as one son.

Of course. Since when is property more important than a human being? /////

150 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 2, 2015 9:28:46pm

re: #136 allegro

I encountered it primarily in Bio 101 that all students are required to take. There isn’t much math involved there - my bio statistics classes hammered everyone but that was an advanced majors class - so I can’t speak to that. Mental discipline is always an issue for freshmen. LOL It was certainly an increasing lack of general science understanding, even something so basic as cellular structure or phylum organization or simple AaBb genetics. When I started teaching that used to be one of my favorite courses to teach since I could pull all of their past science education together and watch the lights snap on in their heads as they started to see the connections and get excited. Without those basics I felt like I was constantly trying to fill in the pot holes in a dirt road. The only other area I heard similar complaints from other profs was English and especially literature.

I’ve never taught American college students, but I have taught American high school students. Most high schools — not my former employer, though — do not put a lot of effort into teaching essay writing and seldom require students to analyze closely a few works of literature. Usually, high school English courses follow a survey model, with a quick overview of several works over a term. Compositions are awarded grades for being done, not necessarily for style and content. The typical English teacher has at least 150 students, so their reluctance/inability to carefully mark so many papers is understandable. Hence, the reliance on short answers and multiple choice tests.

Common Core has hopefully changed this situation somewhat, but not substantially so. Class sizes have not changed, and HS teachers don’t have a luxury of teaching assistants.

151 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 2, 2015 9:29:17pm
152 HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2015 9:29:56pm

re: #151 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Doesn’t look a day over 677 ;). Way cool.

153 Dark_Falcon  Jun 2, 2015 9:30:58pm

re: #147 HappyWarrior

That Jim bob and Michelle didn’t handle things right is a given. At a minimum, they should have sent their son away from extensive treatment and rehad. if that made him less inclined to their views, they should have had faith and love strong enough to accept it. But they decided to let “Us Versus Them” outweigh all other considerations.*

*: I know I some get into that same mode, but not to the extremes the Duggers take it.

154 HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2015 9:36:17pm

re: #153 Dark_Falcon

That Jim bob and Michelle didn’t handle things right is a given. At a minimum, they should have sent their son away from extensive treatment and rehad. if that made him less inclined to their views, they should have had faith and love strong enough to accept it. But they decided to let “Us Versus Them” outweigh all other considerations.*

*: I know I some get into that same mode, but not to the extremes the Duggers take it.

Well frankly I am just not seeing your point about stigma. Yes sexual assault carries a strong stigma, we all agree about that but don’t you think they owed it to their daughters to have at least gotten Josh out of the home? As for their beliefs, they continued to push this stuff knowing full well what their son had done. Josh happily took a job at the FRC and spread lies about gay people and child molestation knowing what he had done. Jim Bob and Michelle I guarantee you would have been a lot less forgiving of Josh if they had instead caught him with another boy or perhaps smoking a joint. It also bothers me that they paraded their family as an example of Christian virtue for years knowing what had happened.

155 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 2, 2015 9:37:06pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

They also owed it to their daughters to make sure they knew it wasn’t their fault, and got any counseling they needed.

Hah.

156 HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2015 9:38:00pm

re: #155 klys (maker of Silmarils)

They also owed it to their daughters to make sure they knew it wasn’t their fault, and got any counseling they needed.

Hah.

Yes that too. They also should have assured their daughters repeatedly that what Josh did to them wasn’t their fault but they don’t appear to have done that at all.

157 The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 2, 2015 9:38:06pm

re: #142 Dark_Falcon

It could be argued that they did not, at least as far as there is no evidence of Josh committing any further crimes after his parents confronted him about his misdeeds. It’s quite possible Jim Bob let him know if he ever did something like that again he’d end up in an unmarked grave. But that last is just speculation.

Man, that would almost be meaningful if his “misdeeds” were reported in a timely manner, as opposed “Josh, it turns out you’ve been molesting your sisters for years, let’s scare you straight by reporting this after the statute of limitations is expired…to a cop who’s a family associate and who will give you a stern lecture as opposed to freaking the fuck out and asking actual questions about whether there’s been re-offenses.”

And it really doesn’t help that all available material about how the Duggars operate—Quiverfull doctrine, ATI materials, the turning-out-to-be-true gossip—is that they “fixed” the situation by making the girls do penance for provoking Josh.

So we’ve got parents who were so absent they failed to notice the offense, acted to conceal it until after there was no legal recourse, and belong to a culture wherein the victims and blamed and shamed alongside the perpetrator. And they’re all under the same roof.And his victim pool are: (1) children under his power, since his parents sub parenting duties to their older children: (2) are aware that complaints of a sexual nature will get them punished.

No, we can’t “assume” that everything was suddenly hunky-dory. Sex offenders re-offend more than other criminal types.

158 goddamnedfrank  Jun 2, 2015 9:39:40pm

re: #153 Dark_Falcon

That Jim bob and Michelle didn’t handle things right is a given. At a minimum, they should have sent their son away from extensive treatment and rehad. if that made him less inclined to their views, they should have had faith and love strong enough to accept it. But they decided to let “Us Versus Them” outweigh all other considerations.*

*: I know I some get into that same mode, but not to the extremes the Duggers take it.

You don’t get it. The abuse happened because of the way the Duggars raise their children. It’s the predictable result of the way they don’t educate them, the way they indoctrinate gender roles, the way they drill in the divinely mandated subservient role of the female. It happened because they had too many kids to pay attention to, to emotionally nourish, to supervise and monitor. It happened because they’re the kinds of people who would wait a year after their daughters came to them before doing a goddamned thing about it. It happened because when they finally did contact a cop, it just by fucking happenstance was a cop who was into child porn. It happened because they’re the kinds of people whose idea of a fix was sending their son to some Christian “blame the rape victim” camp.

It happened because of who they fucking are.

159 HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2015 9:40:28pm

Instead of going to right wing events that trashed gay people’s very right to exist, the Duggars should have been focused on helping their daughters recover from what was a difficult event to say the least. But Jim Bob and Michelle didn’t care about that. They wanted to push this falsehood that they the Duggars are a great Christian family and that anyone not like them especially gay people are awful and hellbound. They let their daughters down by choosing being reality TV stars instead of what they funnily claim is sacred-parenthood.

160 Dark_Falcon  Jun 2, 2015 9:41:08pm

re: #159 HappyWarrior

Instead of going to right wing events that trashed gay people’s very right to exist, the Duggars should have been focused on helping their daughters recover from what was a difficult event to say the least. But Jim Bob and Michelle didn’t care about that. They wanted to push this falsehood that they the Duggars are a great Christian family and that anyone not like them especially gay people are awful and hellbound. They let their daughters down by choosing being reality TV stars instead of what they funnily claim is sacred-parenthood.

Quite Concur.

161 HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2015 9:42:48pm

re: #158 goddamnedfrank

You don’t get it. The abuse happened because of the way the Duggars raise their children. It’s the predictable result of the way they don’t educate them, the way they indoctrinate gender roles, the way they drill in the divinely mandated subservient role of the female. It happened because they had too many kids to pay attention to, to emotionally nourish, to supervise and monitor. It happened because they’re the kinds of people who would wait a year after their daughters came to them before doing a goddamned thing about it. It happened because when they finally did contact a cop, it just by fucking happenstance was a cop who was into child porn. It happened because they’re the kinds of people whose idea of a fix was sending their son to some Christian “blame the rape victim” camp.

It happened because of who they fucking are.

It’s a cult.

162 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 2, 2015 9:44:31pm

re: #159 HappyWarrior

Instead of going to right wing events that trashed gay people’s very right to exist, the Duggars should have been focused on helping their daughters recover from what was a difficult event to say the least. But Jim Bob and Michelle didn’t care about that. They wanted to push this falsehood that they the Duggars are a great Christian family and that anyone not like them especially gay people are awful and hellbound. They let their daughters down by choosing being reality TV stars instead of what they funnily claim is sacred-parenthood.

A large part of the Gothard cult is to smile and act as if “everything is just perfectly fine, we’re all fine here” and to cheerfully accept whatever task or demand is given you.

163 goddamnedfrank  Jun 2, 2015 9:47:01pm

The Duggars wouldn’t be the Duggars if they gave a shit about women. JimBob is a misogynistic abuser, his wife is in thrall to an abuser. Their ATI Church serves to legitimize and further this abuse by providing it with a thin patina of piety. They raise their kids in an abusive environment masquerading as a loving Christian home. Everything about their lifestyle is about defining women as a kind of livestock, a resource to be harnessed, ridden and exploited.

Let’s just be honest and say what this really is, evil.

164 b_sharp  Jun 2, 2015 9:48:39pm

I walked down the stairs to the basement and cracked the top of my head against the beam. Without any hair to cushion my head, it sure hurt and I’m damned sure I heard something rattle in there.

165 HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2015 9:49:40pm

re: #163 goddamnedfrank

The Duggars wouldn’t be the Duggars if they gave a shit about women. JimBob is a misogynistic abuser, his wife is in thrall to an abuser. Their ATI Church serves to legitimize and further this abuse by providing it with a thin patina of piety. They raise their kids in an abusive environment masquerading as a loving Christian home. Everything about their lifestyle is about defining women as a kind of livestock, a resource to be harnessed, ridden and exploited.

Let’s just be honest and say what this really is, evil.

Yep.

166 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 2, 2015 9:50:00pm

Well gang, I’m off to bed. In the mean time, remember, whoever dies with the most stuff is still dead.

RBS

167 HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2015 9:52:20pm

re: #162 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

A large part of the Gothard cult is to smile and act as if “everything is just perfectly fine, we’re all fine here” and to cheerfully accept whatever task or demand is given you.

Doesn’t surprise me at all that’s part of their belief system. The whole thing just pisses me off. Not just the crimes themselves but the gymnastics to defend it that they would otherwise be blaming liberalism if Josh had grown up in a liberal household or how Job Bob himself loved to talk tough about these sort of things as an elected official. It is as Frank said evil and I am as pissed off at Jim Bob, Michelle, and the politicians that enable them as I am Josh.

168 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 2, 2015 10:16:31pm

re: #167 HappyWarrior

Doesn’t surprise me at all that’s part of their belief system. The whole thing just pisses me off. Not just the crimes themselves but the gymnastics to defend it that they would otherwise be blaming liberalism if Josh had grown up in a liberal household or how Job Bob himself loved to talk tough about these sort of things as an elected official. It is as Frank said evil and I am as pissed off at Jim Bob, Michelle, and the politicians that enable them as I am Josh.

In China, there was a famous incident involving a spoiled kid who killed a college student and injured another with his car. On being arrested, he famously declared, “My father is Li Gang!” In other words, my dad is an official and you can’t get me.

Social media was his downfall, because netizens identified who his father was and published his identity online. The government later suppressed the tweets and blogs referring to the incident, but most Chinese know all about it anyway.
en.wikipedia.org

Josh Duggar had his Li Gang moment as a teenager, and now he can’t duck back into obscurity.

169 EPR-radar  Jun 2, 2015 10:30:06pm

re: #158 goddamnedfrank

You don’t get it. The abuse happened because of the way the Duggars raise their children. It’s the predictable result of the way they don’t educate them, the way they indoctrinate gender roles, the way they drill in the divinely mandated subservient role of the female. It happened because they had too many kids to pay attention to, to emotionally nourish, to supervise and monitor. It happened because they’re the kinds of people who would wait a year after their daughters came to them before doing a goddamned thing about it. It happened because when they finally did contact a cop, it just by fucking happenstance was a cop who was into child porn. It happened because they’re the kinds of people whose idea of a fix was sending their son to some Christian “blame the rape victim” camp.

It happened because of who they fucking are.

100% agree. If one were able to get accurate numbers, it is virtually certain that extreme patriarchal religion would have a strong correlation with at least wife abuse and in-family child abuse, and it wouldn’t surprise me at all if such religion also correlated with various other crimes against women and children (e.g., stranger rape, abuse of unrelated children, etc.).

Beliefs have consequences, and the belief in extreme patriarchal religion that women and children are lesser beings than men cannot possibly be an exception to this rule.

170 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 3, 2015 12:26:41am

OK, Chuckie’s deadline has passed.

ANALYSIS: Smoking gun implicates blogger’s involvement in illegal fake email caper

Ah, so, Mr. Johnson, when did you know she was Josie?

Circumstantial, but compelling evidence points to blogger Chuck C. Johnson’s likely involvement in, or knowledge of a fake email used to trick an anonymous sexual assault victim into revealing her real name. Impersonating someone in a forged email is illegal in most states.
Johnson has not responded to questions emailed to him yesterday by GotNwes, and earlier refused to answer similar questions by a Buzzfeed reporter.

This case gets complicated, so bear with us as we do the Lieutenant Columbo thing and run down the facts as we know them.

More at GotNwes.com

171 Single-handed sailor  Jun 3, 2015 1:27:53am

Jon Stewart Slams The Chickenhawks On Foreign Policy: ‘Learning Curves Are For P*ssies’

from Crooks and Liars

crooksandliars.com

172 Nyet  Jun 3, 2015 1:50:03am

Re: Troll factory: Kremlin does it the old-fashioned way by hiring a bunch of lemming students. The US govt is on another level, wishing to automatize the whole process.

rawstory.com

173 Timothy Watson  Jun 3, 2015 2:31:22am

I’ve been watching ER from the beginning through iTunes HD and I really should sit down and do a post on my blog pointing out all the guest stars who ended up big.

174 Dave In Austin  Jun 3, 2015 3:16:42am
175 CleverToad  Jun 3, 2015 3:21:59am

re: #139 bubba zanetti

Alleflippenlujah, I am gobsmacked. That’s Photoshop??? The focus is sharpened, the faces are clear, the colors are true, even to the green of my little sister’s lace dress and the ribbons of the flower girls’ bouquets.

I thought I could maybe make the image a little clearer. I didn’t know someone could reel back time 55 years. I have tears in my eyes, looking at this. Thank you so very much, Bubba Zanetti!!!

I love you lizards!
And I definitely have to learn how to do this

176 Dark_Falcon  Jun 3, 2015 3:54:19am

Follow-up on the would-be terrorist shot in Boston yesterday:

Source: Man fatally shot by officers in Boston part of terror network

A man who waved a large military knife at officers and is believed to have been radicalized by ISIS was shot and killed by police in Boston on Tuesday, according to officials.

The suspect, identified as Usaama Rahim, 26, was under 24-hour surveillance by anti-terrorism authorities, said FBI Special Agent in Charge Vincent B. Lisi.

Later Tuesday, authorities arrested a second man in connection with the case, CNN affiliate WHDH reported. But that person’s name or the charges against him wasn’t released. And CNN was unable to confirm the arrest independently.

SNIP

[Boston Police Commissioner William] Evans said the shooting occurred about 7 a.m. after officers and FBI agents confronted Rahim, who suddenly turned around with a large black knife and lunged at officers and federal agents. The officers had not drawn their weapons at that point.

The officers retreated and ordered the man to put down the weapon before they opened fire, Evans said. The shooting was captured by surveillance video and observed by witnesses.

“Unfortunately, he came at the officers and, you know, they do what they were trained to do and, unfortunately, they had to take a life,” Evans said.

Good federal and local coordination at work here to stay heads up and prevent terror attacks.

177 weave  Jun 3, 2015 4:01:30am

Your morning update.

Buzzpo has replaced the pic of Make Peggy with another one and issued an apology.

This time they put up a picture of a White woman with 15 kids. Hahahahah, I kill myself at times. As if.

Update: The original image associated with this article has been changed since it was first published. We apologize to anyone whom we may have offended and will be more diligent about sourcing images in the future. The woman featured in the image above has 15 children by three different fathers and continues to expect the taxpayers to support her. Thank you to those who alerted us to our initial mistake.

178 weave  Jun 3, 2015 4:11:27am

I wonder why Buzzpo didn’t put up a pic of Octomom. She has 14 children and has pleaded no contest to welfare fraud.

179 Varek Raith  Jun 3, 2015 4:32:13am

re: #172 Nyet

Re: Troll factory: Kremlin does it the old-fashioned way by hiring a bunch of lemming students. The US govt is on another level, wishing to automatize the whole process.

rawstory.com

That’s just plain creepy.

180 Dr. Matt  Jun 3, 2015 4:44:49am

Another right-wing talking point goes down in flames…..

181 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 3, 2015 4:50:22am

The wingnuts are up and Derping early==>

182 Decatur Deb  Jun 3, 2015 4:51:30am

re: #148 Dark_Falcon

Russian Intelligence types call this kind of fake story “Active Measures”, the objective being to sow fear and mistrust amid the targeted population.

Why don’t they just retweet Fox News? It’s cheaper.

183 Dr. Matt  Jun 3, 2015 4:52:54am

re: #181 Lord Of The Pies

I think @TeaPartyOne1 is a parody account.

184 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 3, 2015 4:55:35am

re: #183 Dr. Matt

I think @TeaPartyOne1 is a parody account.

Poe’s Law strikes again.

185 Decatur Deb  Jun 3, 2015 4:58:00am

The Gay has almost destroyed marriage in Alabama. Glad I’ve got mine already. (‘Course it’s a Yankee marriage, so might not count.)

Bill scrapping marriage licenses hits Alabama House after passing Senate

whnt.com

186 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 3, 2015 5:00:26am

re: #13 Great White Snark

For all the hue and cry let’s not forget a single salient fact. Contrary to the memes and the complaints we can teach science and Darwinian evolution in every school in the country. And that would not stop any private or religious school from teaching the bible as their denomination sees fit on Sunday. or Saturday. Any day right after school. They still have every right to all the religious lessons they like.

They insist on instead of? Um, no. Ban secular lessons? Not allowed.

The other thing (and I’ve not read the whole thread yet) is why aren’t these La. schools required to teach other creation stories? Why is the Bible given preference over other sacred texts.

I know, because shut up, that’s why.

187 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 3, 2015 5:01:33am

re: #185 Decatur Deb

The Gay has almost destroyed marriage in Alabama. Glad I’ve got mine already. (‘Course it’s a Yankee marriage, so might not count.)

Bill scrapping marriage licenses hits Alabama House after passing Senate

whnt.com

You’re going to have to re-gay-marriage, unfortunately. That’s what Big Gay is aiming for. /////

188 Joe Bacon  Jun 3, 2015 5:02:13am

The Chinese Politburo is looking at what’s going on in Louisiana and they’re laughing at us.

They know we are a nation in decline.

189 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 3, 2015 5:04:56am

Welp, somebody doesn’t like me==>

190 Dr. Matt  Jun 3, 2015 5:05:46am

When your state’s contribution to mankind is beads, boobs, and deep-fried foods, I don’t think we should expect anything less than teaching creationism.

191 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 3, 2015 5:07:40am

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY, OBAMA DERANGEMENT CATEGORY==>

192 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 3, 2015 5:10:20am

re: #171 Single-handed sailor

Jon Stewart Slams The Chickenhawks On Foreign Policy: ‘Learning Curves Are For P*ssies’

from Crooks and Liars

crooksandliars.com

I really don’t understand how anyone gives Paul Bremer the time of day. He was utterly horrid in Iraq.

193 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 3, 2015 5:11:50am

So what does creepy Matt Barber think is “Stupid, Cruel & Godless”?

He’s whining about a 1992[!] SCOTUS decision that overturned a PA law requiring a woman to get her husband’s permission before having an abortion.

194 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 3, 2015 5:12:33am

re: #190 Dr. Matt

When your state’s contribution to mankind is beads, boobs, and deep-fried foods, I don’t think we should expect anything less than teaching creationism.

This doesn’t reckon with the fact that it also gave us gumbo and jambalaya … and zydeco music.

195 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 3, 2015 5:13:35am

re: #190 Dr. Matt

When your state’s contribution to mankind is beads, boobs, and deep-fried foods, I don’t think we should expect anything less than teaching creationism.

Don’t forget the Dick Die Nasty family.

196 Decatur Deb  Jun 3, 2015 5:15:45am

Taking a long, quiet walk with the dog. Going to try to explain the Alabama legislature to him. BBL.

197 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 3, 2015 5:40:24am

LIVE THREAD! LIVE!

198 lawhawk  Jun 3, 2015 5:42:17am

re: #197 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Rise.

199 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 5:45:22am

My grandson told me this morning not to put too much hope into his generation (he’s 24). He said considering those he knows, have worked with and have met, “This country is fucked.” I’m not quite as pessimistic, but he is says the stupid is really deep.

I really didn’t want to hear that kind of bad news this morning, but he’s turning out to be a thinker, and a good dad, also, although he says he sometimes “over-thinks” things. He picked the Munchkin up from pre-K yesterday and one of the teachers said some of the boys had been slapping the girls on their bottoms. So he gave him another lesson in keeping his hands to himself and not touching anyone w/o permission, as well as instructing him to apologize to his teacher for his behavior. The Munchkin has actually known that rule for some time, but “herd behavior” must have kicked in.

200 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 3, 2015 5:46:49am

re: #199 Justanotherhuman

My grandson told me this morning not to put too much hope into his generation (he’s 24). He said considering those he knows, have worked with and have met, “This country is fucked.” I’m not quite as pessimistic, but he is says the stupid is really deep.

I don’t blame his generation for that. The stupid has always run deep in this country.

201 lawhawk  Jun 3, 2015 5:55:06am

And like that, the thread lives again. Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. For the first time this week, there’s actually peeks of sun this morning, and no rain forecast for today. Good thing too, since I thought moss was going to start developing on me, the house, car, and everything else since it’s so damp here after the deluge of rain we got over the past few days as the storms kept training over the same spots.

The situation in Louisiana is the canary in the coal mine. Louisiana is among the worst states for health care, education, wealth generation (it’s among the poorest states in the country on per capita basis) and the only real thing the state has going for it is New Orleans/Mardi Gras and that it sits atop a huge pile of oil/natural gas at the mouth of the Mississippi River. Without the geographical fortuitousness, Louisiana would be a backwater. As it is, Jindal’s doing his best to see that occur despite all the benefits of geography.

202 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 3, 2015 5:59:07am

re: #201 lawhawk

And like that, the thread lives again. Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. For the first time this week, there’s actually peeks of sun this morning, and no rain forecast for today. Good thing too, since I thought moss was going to start developing on me, the house, car, and everything else since it’s so damp here after the deluge of rain we got over the past few days as the storms kept training over the same spots.

The situation in Louisiana is the canary in the coal mine. Louisiana is among the worst states for health care, education, wealth generation (it’s among the poorest states in the country on per capita basis) and the only real thing the state has going for it is New Orleans/Mardi Gras and that it sits atop a huge pile of oil/natural gas at the mouth of the Mississippi River. Without the geographical fortuitousness, Louisiana would be a backwater. As it is, Jindal’s doing his best to see that occur despite all the benefits of geography.

The sad thing is that Louisiana (territory) is really a neat ecosystem. Too bad so many fucknozzles are running the place (I could say the same about Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, pretty much all the CSA).

203 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 3, 2015 5:59:38am

re: #200 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I don’t blame his generation for that. The stupid has always run deep in this country.

Stupid is loud and gets right up in your face, intelligence tends to remain quiet and relatively obscure unless you actively seek it. So I would be concerned but not too overly worried.

204 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 5:59:42am

re: #200 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

The cynicism also runs very deep. It doesn’t bode well when every part of a society’s structure is questioned but so many people’s understanding is limited to shallow, uninformed, slanted, and flawed analysis (if there is any at all). The Ididocracy seems to be already forming. He says just about everyone he knows is so self-centered and so not willing to give an inch to anyone else’s opinion, it’s as though people are living in little boxes of self-delusion.

205 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 6:02:30am

re: #201 lawhawk

We’re getting rain and there’s some real activity in the eastern part of the state. Don’t know for sure if it’s coming your way, though.

206 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 3, 2015 6:06:02am

re: #175 CleverToad

Alleflippenlujah, I am gobsmacked. That’s Photoshop??? The focus is sharpened, the faces are clear, the colors are true, even to the green of my little sister’s lace dress and the ribbons of the flower girls’ bouquets.

I thought I could maybe make the image a little clearer. I didn’t know someone could reel back time 55 years. I have tears in my eyes, looking at this. Thank you so very much, Bubba Zanetti!!!

I love you lizards!
And I definitely have to learn how to do this

Concur. A pointer to a site, or simply some simple clues on what to do would be appreciated. I haven’t hit anything quite lit like that, but I assume I will at some point in this project. The reason I am also looking at specific de-blur software as well.

This project is looking like a go-through of this material 2-3 times. First time is the initial scan. Second run is review of contents to pick stuff out for re-scan, further work, or deletion*. Then doing the re-work before sorting and distributing.

* - I have no interest in a picture of half a tackle box and a towel. See these due to how my dad would take a few pictures while getting a fresh roll of film wound into the camera.

207 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 3, 2015 6:06:48am

re: #177 weave

Your morning update.

Buzzpo has replaced the pic of Make Peggy with another one and issued an apology.

This time they put up a picture of a White woman with 15 kids. Hahahahah, I kill myself at times. As if.

“Yeah were sorry not sorry for that pic and heres another one with a scenario were exaggerating and no we don’t pay any attention to the actual welfare rules that since 1996 have greatly limited the amounts and length of time that welfare can be paid out.”

/

208 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jun 3, 2015 6:07:18am

re: #195 Lord Of The Pies

Don’t forget the Dick Die Nasty family.

if I were a student there I would bring a stack of books on the subject of ancient mythology from Babylon, Hindu, Zoroastrian, various Euro-pagan myths, Native American, Chinese, Japanese Shinto, Buddhist, African, and Native Australian and insist all of these be taught in accordance and with the same length of time given to Evangelical Christian Myth.

Then….Lawsuit once this is denied.

209 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 3, 2015 6:08:05am

re: #205 Justanotherhuman

We’re getting rain and there’s some real activity in the eastern part of the state. Don’t know for sure if it’s coming your way, though.

We’re having one of the worst weather weeks here in the Mid-Atlantic I can remember for an early June. Cold and rainy for three straight days now. Grrrrr.

210 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 6:10:30am

re: #209 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Yeah, supposed to get down to 58 here tonight, 73 tomorrow for a high.

Only 71 today. Crazy for June 3.

211 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 3, 2015 6:10:50am

re: #208 Rocky-in-Connecticut

if I were a student there I would bring a stack of books on the subject of ancient mythology from Babylon, Hindu, Zoroastrian, various Euro-pagan myths, Native American, Chinese, Japanese Shinto, Buddhist, African, and Native Australian and insist all of these be taught in accordance and with the same length of time given to Evangelical Christian Myth.

Then….Lawsuit once this is denied.

These people are blithely unaware that the Wall of Separation is meant to keep other religions out, too…

212 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 3, 2015 6:12:23am

re: #185 Decatur Deb

The Gay has almost destroyed marriage in Alabama. Glad I’ve got mine already. (‘Course it’s a Yankee marriage, so might not count.)

Bill scrapping marriage licenses hits Alabama House after passing Senate

whnt.com

What a stupid dodge. And you just get another court case challenging the state accepting a civil union contract from some people and not from other people on the basis of something arbitrary and unconstitutional?

Plus they then get to work through all their other laws that refer to the legal rights that refer to marriage licenses and change them to refer to the new civil contracts. The “plus” of this is that it does explicitly separate religious marriage from the civil contract.

213 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 3, 2015 6:14:47am

re: #186 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

The other thing (and I’ve not read the whole thread yet) is why aren’t these La. schools required to teach other creation stories? Why is the Bible given preference over other sacred texts.

I know, because shut up, that’s why.

More lawsuits in waiting if someone opts to challenge it and is willing to wait out the years of court time and appeals. Maybe Louisiana needs a few school districts driven into bankruptcy*.

* - Though, like the current situation, the real victims will be the children.

214 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 3, 2015 6:16:20am

re: #171 Single-handed sailor

Jon Stewart Slams The Chickenhawks On Foreign Policy: ‘Learning Curves Are For P*ssies’

from Crooks and Liars

crooksandliars.com

Wish Jon could pick another way to rail on these men other than comparing them to women.
:p

215 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 3, 2015 6:19:20am

re: #208 Rocky-in-Connecticut

if I were a student there I would bring a stack of books on the subject of ancient mythology from Babylon, Hindu, Zoroastrian, various Euro-pagan myths, Native American, Chinese, Japanese Shinto, Buddhist, African, and Native Australian and insist all of these be taught in accordance and with the same length of time given to Evangelical Christian Myth.

Then….Lawsuit once this is denied.

The Pastafarians protest being left off that list!

216 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 3, 2015 6:20:24am

re: #208 Rocky-in-Connecticut

if I were a student there I would bring a stack of books on the subject of ancient mythology from Babylon, Hindu, Zoroastrian, various Euro-pagan myths, Native American, Chinese, Japanese Shinto, Buddhist, African, and Native Australian and insist all of these be taught in accordance and with the same length of time given to Evangelical Christian Myth.

Then….Lawsuit once this is denied.

Or The Silmarillion by Tolkien.

What do you mean, it’s fiction? We believe Tolkien channeled these stories from the Ancient Ones, and it is an inerrant early history of Earth!
/

217 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 3, 2015 6:20:49am

re: #209 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

We’re having one of the worst weather weeks here in the Mid-Atlantic I can remember for an early June. Cold and rainy for three straight days now. Grrrrr.

The wind angle has been right that I have been able to have a few windows open. Nice to be able to sleep without having the A/C on and making noise. A bit humid, but tolerable with a few fans moving air around the apartment.

218 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 6:20:58am

re: #214 Feline Fearless Leader

Well, he’s a guy, and sometimes they’re harder to teach.

219 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 3, 2015 6:24:09am

re: #218 Justanotherhuman

Well, he’s a guy, and sometimes they’re harder to teach.

Work in progress. Still have older relatives about who unthinkingly use various ethnic or racial terms indiscriminately. The next generation needs to work on the use of the sexist words as derogatory terms.

220 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 3, 2015 6:27:10am

Good morning Lizards from currently not-sunny Philadelphia. Cloudy and in the 50s, but no rain (yet) today.

Last night was productive. Did laundry, converted 4lbs of pork shoulder into pulled pork product*, and also scanned ~160 35mm slides. And didn’t have to stay at a Holiday Inn Express in order to do it.

* - Feeding coworkers today. The cats dislike this since I make the apartment smell like cooking meat for 7-8 hours - and they don’t get any. (Or they get offered a bit and decide they don’t want to eat it. Cats.)

221 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 6:28:51am

re: #219 Feline Fearless Leader

I’ve been trying for 50 years. It seems it’s just as bad, or worse, than ever, just as their behavior is. Maybe because it’s just more out in the open now, not just locker room or club talk among themselves, or said to individual women.

222 Decatur Deb  Jun 3, 2015 6:31:29am

re: #200 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I don’t blame his generation for that. The stupid has always run deep in this country.

I’ve worked around the world. Stupidity is evenly distributed. Sometimes the accent throws you off.

223 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 6:32:08am

Finally.

E.P.A. to Set New Limits on Airplane Emissions

nytimes.com

224 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 3, 2015 6:44:16am

Hey remember the “Burger Robot” that was supposed to replace every minimum wage fast food worker in the world?

momentummachines.com has scrubbed all mentions of the burger robot from their website and replaced it with their CVs.

225 Decatur Deb  Jun 3, 2015 6:45:34am

re: #224 Lord Of The Pies

Hey remember the “Burger Robot” that was supposed to replace every minimum wage fast food worker in the world?

momentummachines.com has scrubbed all mentions of the burger robot from their website and replaced it with their CVs.

It probably found work in a union shop, and gave notice.

226 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 3, 2015 6:55:32am

re: #225 Decatur Deb

It probably found work in a union shop, and gave notice.

Chipotle offered better wages and bennies. It reprogrammed itself to make burrito wraps.

227 BigPapa  Jun 3, 2015 6:56:14am

re: #223 Justanotherhuman

Will that limit Obummer’s HomoGay Chemtrail dust?

228 andres  Jun 3, 2015 6:56:24am

re: #10 HappyWarrior

I think most kids are quite fascinated by it really. I know I was fascinated by how closely related to chmps we are. They like to do this same tactic in regards to gay people by the way too “WHAT WILL WE TELL THE CHILDREN” but most kids especially kids these days are like okay there are gay people, big fucking deal.

This reminds me of several scenes in Hogfather. In one of them, DEATH (dressed as the Hogfather1)2, appears inside a toy store with his hogs3. The kids in the store are excited to see real life hogs, while the parents are terrorized.

——
1. The Discworld’s equivalent to Santa.
2. Long story.
3. Hogfather’s hogs, not DEATH. DEATH usually travels by Binky.

229 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 6:57:30am

re: #224 Lord Of The Pies

Hey remember the “Burger Robot” that was supposed to replace every minimum wage fast food worker in the world?

momentummachines.com has scrubbed all mentions of the burger robot from their website and replaced it with their CVs.

Which tells me that the market they expected for it totally dried up, so they’ve moved on.

230 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 3, 2015 6:58:25am

Teaching creationism is a perfect tactic for conservatives. Not only does it reduce science to the status of another belief system, to be ignored or vilified just like Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism, etc., it ensures that the generation being thus taught will emerge incurious, barely employable, and angry about it. It will be a piece of cake to convince them that they’re being marginalized because of their Christian values and not because of their ignorance.

231 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 3, 2015 6:58:55am

re: #229 Targetpractice

Which tells me that the market they expected for it totally dried up, so they’ve moved on.

Because the long-term operating costs are still higher than hiring someone at minimum wage.

232 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 3, 2015 6:59:58am

re: #230 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Teaching creationism is a perfect tactic for conservatives. Not only does it reduce science to the status of another belief system, to be ignored or vilified just like Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism, etc., it ensures that the generation being thus taught will emerge incurious, barely employable, and angry about it. It will be a piece of cake to convince them that they’re being marginalized because of their Christian values and not because of their ignorance.

Make sure they have lots of guns to express their anger with…

233 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 7:00:53am

re: #193 Lord Of The Pies

So what does creepy Matt Barber think is “Stupid, Cruel & Godless”?

He’s whining about a 1992[!] SCOTUS decision that overturned a PA law requiring a woman to get her husband’s permission before having an abortion.

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Matt Barber is probably jealous of Saudi Arabia where a woman needs her husband’s permission for a lot of things. Yes. Matt, it’s stupid, cruel, and godless to overturn a law requiring a woman to get her husband’s permission for a medical procedure she’s getting. I’m afraid you have it reversed. Conservatism is stupid, cruel, and godless.

234 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 7:02:54am

I swear everyday I read more from these RR types the more I am convinced that they would gladly be a Christian Taliban if they ever got in power. I used to think Christian Taliban was hyperbole in the past but they show that they not only oppose gay marriage and abortion which frankly I do think reasonable people can disagree on but no they oppose the very idea of gay people and women being able to use birth control which reasonable people cannot disagree on.

235 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 3, 2015 7:03:02am

Momentummachines needs to work on Johnny Cab*, to compete with Uber and Lyft.

I’ll work for free! Plus no toilet breaks or lunch time needed!

* Voiced by Robert Picardo, btw.

236 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 3, 2015 7:04:51am

re: #232 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Make sure they have lots of guns to express their anger with…

It’s almost as if someone wants swaths of this country to be no-go zones for federal law enforcement.

237 Lidane  Jun 3, 2015 7:05:16am
238 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 7:05:23am

re: #191 Lord Of The Pies

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY, OBAMA DERANGEMENT CATEGORY==>

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Uh we weren’t rioting when Bush did things a lot worse than Obama like invading a country under false pretenses. We did not riot when he signed the Patriot Act into law. So no right wing shit for brains we would not. We dealt with Bush’s bullshit for eight years and your blind defenses of it. You can deal with Obama being president for another full year without getting butt hurt.

239 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 3, 2015 7:06:39am

re: #236 Higgs Boson’s Mate

It’s almost as if someone wants swaths of this country to be no-go zones for federal law enforcement.

Just wait until there is a major natural and/or man-made disaster that results in calling out federal troops to restore order and basic services…they will be convinced that it is some sort of Jade Helm takeover attempt and come out shooting.

240 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 7:07:45am

re: #231 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Because the long-term operating costs are still higher than hiring someone at minimum wage.

My guess is that they simply couldn’t promise 100% reliability, which to be honest, nobody really can. So no business was going to invest in something that might break down right in the middle of a big lunch rush.

241 Kilroy01  Jun 3, 2015 7:08:24am

re: #239 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

But don’t worry the press will downplay any shooting because they’re good old boys and patriots.

242 Eventual Carrion  Jun 3, 2015 7:08:48am

re: #6 jaunte

Bullshit.

But are just fine with an entity that will wipe mankind off the face of the earth if you piss he/she/it off?

243 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 7:10:25am

It’s here!

…

And the first thing I can tell is I’m gonna need to look at investing in new hardware. Either a new graphics card, or a next gen console.

244 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 7:11:43am

re: #242 Eventual Carrion

But are just fine with an entity that will wipe mankind off the face of the earth if you piss he/she/it off?

Yeah seriously, the tale of God asking Abraham to kill Issac in the Bible is a lot more disturbing than “Hey you and apes share a common ancestor from million of years ago.” The OT if it were a movie would be rated R. The Origin of Species would be rated G.

245 Charles Johnson  Jun 3, 2015 7:13:18am
246 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 3, 2015 7:16:37am

re: #245 Charles Johnson

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So Chucky thinks he can pretend to be Black?

I can’t wait for his Twitter account pretending to be a woman.

247 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 3, 2015 7:17:03am

re: #245 Charles Johnson

I am stupid, too.

248 Lidane  Jun 3, 2015 7:17:18am

*headdesk*

249 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 7:18:39am

re: #248 Lidane

*headdesk*

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I think we’re close approaching a day when there’s a big dust-up about which is going to guide this nation: Religious theocracy or secular democracy. And I worry that the former will end come out the winner.

250 William Lewis  Jun 3, 2015 7:18:42am

re: #237 Lidane

And lots of neo-confederates in the comments whining about “states rights” and “the north was aggressive first”. Fair bit of pushback though.

251 Charles Johnson  Jun 3, 2015 7:19:33am

Chuck’s blog has basically turned into a graveyard.

252 Lidane  Jun 3, 2015 7:20:26am

For the gamer nerds:

…

253 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 7:20:34am

re: #248 Lidane

*headdesk*

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I think he cheated to get his Rhodes Scholarship. That or he really enjoys playing stupid. Yes, Bobby banning discrimination based off of religion means we want to ban religion. That makes total sense.//

254 bubba zanetti  Jun 3, 2015 7:20:38am

re: #175 CleverToad

Alleflippenlujah, I am gobsmacked. That’s Photoshop??? The focus is sharpened, the faces are clear, the colors are true, even to the green of my little sister’s lace dress and the ribbons of the flower girls’ bouquets.

I thought I could maybe make the image a little clearer. I didn’t know someone could reel back time 55 years. I have tears in my eyes, looking at this. Thank you so very much, Bubba Zanetti!!!

I love you lizards!
And I definitely have to learn how to do this

I think I only made three adjustments, using the easier tools. A pro would probably use different techniques, like using Curves and Levels on the individual color bands.

I used the Color Balance tool to get the colors looking better. It’s just three sliders and you slide them back and forth until the colors look right.

At that point things looked pretty good but I still had a little purplish cast to things. I used Hue and Saturation to target the purples and desaturate them a little.

I probably used Levels just to fine tune the brightness of the image.

I ran the basic Sharpen tool that doesn’t have any settings. Also before I saved the image I made it smaller and used the Bicubic Sharpen resampling.

That’s it. It’s not anything you couldn’t learn in an hour or two.

255 BigPapa  Jun 3, 2015 7:20:44am

re: #245 Charles Johnson

Charles, I’m warning you: he has a measured 130 IQ.

That’s measured Charles. Measured.

Be very careful.

256 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 7:21:37am

re: #249 Targetpractice

I think we’re close approaching a day when there’s a big dust-up about which is going to guide this nation: Religious theocracy or secular democracy. And I worry that the former will end come out the winner.

That’s why it’s important to vote. I am also afraid of what will happen if the religious theocrats see they’ve lost.

257 Decatur Deb  Jun 3, 2015 7:23:34am

re: #253 HappyWarrior

I think he cheated to get his Rhodes Scholarship. That or he really enjoys playing stupid. Yes, Bobby banning discrimination based off of religion means we want to ban religion. That makes total sense.//

“He’s just a pimp, trying to find his way to Pimp Heaven.”
—William of Occam

258 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 7:23:57am

For a man who said the GOP should stop being the stupid party, Bobby Jindal should have considered getting his vocal cords removed or becoming a mute because after he says some of the stupidest shit in that party and a lot of people say stupid shit in that party.

259 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 7:24:18am

re: #251 Charles Johnson

Chuck’s blog has basically turned into a graveyard.

“And on the pedestal these words appear:
‘My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!’
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”

260 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 7:24:32am

re: #257 Decatur Deb

“He’s just a pimp, trying to find his way to Pimp Heaven.”
—William of Occam

You think he’s all act? Wouldn’t surprise me.

261 makeitstop  Jun 3, 2015 7:25:12am

re: #251 Charles Johnson

Chuck’s blog has basically turned into a graveyard.

So much for that media empire.

Could this be proof that you actually can be too offensive on the internet? That there might actually be a limit after all?

262 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 3, 2015 7:25:40am

re: #251 Charles Johnson

Chuck’s blog has basically turned into a graveyard.

He must be demoralized. No Twitter, no ad clicks, very little sympathy from the RW.

Or from me.

263 Decatur Deb  Jun 3, 2015 7:26:13am

re: #260 HappyWarrior

You think he’s all act? Wouldn’t surprise me.

He’s whatever he needs to be, sans name, sans religion, sans fidelity.

264 Lidane  Jun 3, 2015 7:26:45am

re: #251 Charles Johnson

Chuck’s blog has basically turned into a graveyard.

Related:

265 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 7:26:54am

re: #263 Decatur Deb

He’s whatever he needs to be, sans name, sans religion, sans fidelity.

A classic opportunist then. I can see that. He just takes it to a whole new level at times.

266 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 7:27:24am

You’d think a brilliant journalist could operate without Twitter. I guess not. #fail

267 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 3, 2015 7:27:31am

re: #262 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He must be demoralized. No Twitter, no ad clicks, very little sympathy from the RW.

Or from me.

He’s still gonna burn down the Establishment. Or something.

///

268 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 7:27:59am

re: #267 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

He’s still gonna burn down the Establishment. Or something.

///

It will be the summer of JUSTICE rum and cokes!

269 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 3, 2015 7:28:06am

re: #264 Lidane

Related:

He still has MySpace, I mean, Facebook.

////

270 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 3, 2015 7:28:36am

re: #251 Charles Johnson

Chuck’s blog has basically turned into a graveyard.

Who?

/

271 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 7:29:37am

re: #269 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

He still has MySpace, I mean, Facebook.

////

He’ll be publishing his screeds in his Live Journal and trying to find out rape victims AIM SN’s too.

272 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 7:29:46am

WTFITS?

Results of Tamir Rice shooting investigation given to prosecutors; no word on whether findings will be made public - @WesleyLowery
see original on twitter.com

273 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 3, 2015 7:30:53am

re: #261 makeitstop

So much for that media empire.

Could this be proof that you actually can be too offensive on the internet? That there might actually be a limit after all?

That was the Big Weakness in his master plan to demolish Big Media — depending on a Big Medium to market his blog. If he had stayed within the bounds of the TOS, he might have been able to keep his Twitter account, but he got too cocky. And oops! Discovered the fatal flaw in his great plan.

It’s like a Greek tragedy — protagonist with too much hubris gets smacked down by the indifferent universe. I’m thinking Agamemnon as a fitting parallel here.

274 allegro  Jun 3, 2015 7:31:05am

re: #262 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He must be demoralized. No Twitter, no ad clicks, very little sympathy from the RW.

Or from me.

It’s always discomforting to me to see someone melt down particularly in public. That said, if anyone is the author of his own self-destruction, Chuck is the poster boy.

275 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 7:31:20am

re: #272 Justanotherhuman

WTFITS?

Results of Tamir Rice shooting investigation given to prosecutors; no word on whether findings will be made public - @WesleyLowery
see original on twitter.com

Translation: Now commences the cover-up.

276 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 3, 2015 7:33:04am

re: #273 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

That was the Big Weakness in his master plan to demolish Big Media — depending on a Big Medium to market his blog. If he had stayed within the bounds of the TOS, he might have been able to keep his Twitter account, but he got too cocky. And oops! Discovered the fatal flaw in his great plan.

It’s like a Greek tragedy — protagonist with too much hubris gets smacked down by the indifferent universe. I’m thinking Agamemnon as a fitting parallel here.

Didn’t Agamemnon irritate his hot Asian wife a little bit too far?

277 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 3, 2015 7:33:52am

re: #274 allegro

It’s always discomforting to me to see someone melt down particularly in public. That said, if anyone is the author of his own self-destruction, Chuck is the poster boy.

Twitter was his drug of choice, and he’s been forced to go cold turkey. Thankfully for us, we don’t need to hear or watch the withdrawal symptoms. He must be driving his family up a wall now.

278 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 3, 2015 7:35:45am

re: #273 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

That was the Big Weakness in his master plan to demolish Big Media — depending on a Big Medium to market his blog. If he had stayed within the bounds of the TOS, he might have been able to keep his Twitter account, but he got too cocky. And oops! Discovered the fatal flaw in his great plan.

It’s like a Greek tragedy — protagonist with too much hubris gets smacked down by the indifferent universe. I’m thinking Agamemnon as a fitting parallel here.

Almost as if he was trying to get suspended. It worked.

279 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 3, 2015 7:35:48am

re: #276 Feline Fearless Leader

Didn’t Agamemnon irritate his hot Asian wife a little bit too far?

He listened to the oracle, made a choice his wife didn’t like, and got what he wanted. Then she killed him.

Oops!

280 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 3, 2015 7:36:14am

I just can’t even…

281 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 3, 2015 7:36:22am

“I’m gonna burn down the Establishment DOWN!!”

“Hey, how come I can’t get on my Twitter account?”

/////

282 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 3, 2015 7:36:48am

re: #278 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Almost as if he was trying to get suspended. It worked.

That’s about what Milo said in the interview he did with CCJ.

283 TedStriker  Jun 3, 2015 7:37:23am

re: #259 Targetpractice

“And on the pedestal these words appear:
‘My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!’
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”

I love the reading Bryan Cranston did of it for a commercial for the last Breaking Bad episodes:

…

284 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 3, 2015 7:37:24am

Maybe Chuck can get on Twitchy.

///

285 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 3, 2015 7:38:15am

re: #284 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Maybe Chuck can get on Twitchy.

///

He will when he doxxes Michelle Malkin :)

286 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 3, 2015 7:38:25am

re: #281 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

“I’m gonna burn down the Establishment DOWN!!”

“Hey, how come I can’t get on my Twitter account?”

/////

“I can’t stand living here anymore! I’m gonna run away from home!!”

{Time passes}

“Mom, can you pick me up at the bus station? I don’t have any money for a ticket.”

287 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 3, 2015 7:39:39am

re: #285 Lord Of The Pies

He will when he doxxes Michelle Malkin :)

Oh, that would not go over well with the Twitchy crowd. He’d be banished from every RWNJ confab from now till eternity.

288 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 7:40:50am

re: #280 Lord Of The Pies

I just can’t even…

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Unfuckingbelievable. And of course the superintendent doesn’t go on camera to defend what he did. Such bullshit.

289 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 3, 2015 7:40:50am

re: #287 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Oh, that would not go over well with the Twitchy crowd. He’d be banished from every RWNJ confab from now till eternity.

Maybe he’ll send her an email pretending to be Dana Loesch.

290 Dr. Matt  Jun 3, 2015 7:41:30am

re: #251 Charles Johnson

Chuck’s blog has basically turned into a graveyard.

He’s killing it on facebook though. As of yesterday he had over 3500 “friends”.
//

291 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 7:44:22am

re: #290 Dr. Matt

He’s killing it on facebook though. As of yesterday he had over 3500 “friends”.
//

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Fortunately it will be harder for him to harass strangers on facebook.

292 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 7:44:35am
293 weave  Jun 3, 2015 7:46:28am

re: #199 Justanotherhuman

My grandson told me this morning not to put too much hope into his generation (he’s 24). He said considering those he knows, have worked with and have met, “This country is fucked.” I’m not quite as pessimistic, but he is says the stupid is really deep.

Tell him I thought the same thing 30 years ago (I’m 55). The good news is, it only takes a few good people to make a big difference (and unfortunately only a few bad people to ruin it). Get him into some sort of respectable leadership development program (that isn’t just an MLM for God’s sake). People like your Grandson need to learn how to lead because no matter what the age, most people are just followers and if good leaders don’t step up, shitty ones will do the job.

294 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 3, 2015 7:46:32am

re: #291 HappyWarrior

Fortunately it will be harder for him to harass strangers on facebook.

“Hey, how come I can’t post on this random person’s page?”

295 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 7:46:51am

re: #292 Justanotherhuman

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Oh Jesus Christ.

296 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 3, 2015 7:47:17am

re: #278 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Almost as if he was trying to get suspended. It worked.

From the interview with Milo Yiannopoulos:

CCJ has just volunteered an explanation of why he used the n-word so freely on Twitter, while saying he doesn’t really like the word at all.

{MY’s look — say what? 37:10}

MY: Why would you use that word at all, if people get so upset about it and it’s not useful and you don’t need to do it?

CCJ: Oh, I did that to prove a point about how Twitter’s algorithm works and how people would follow me and retweet it.

MY: RIght, and you kind of proved the point by getting banned, didn’t you?

CCJ: Oh no, not in this case. I was banned in this case for the “take out” phrase. I’ve never been banned for saying …

MY {interrupting}: Let’s talk a little about Twitter.

297 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 7:47:20am

re: #294 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

“Hey, how come I can’t post on this random person’s page?”

WHY WON’T THEY LET ME ACCESS THEIR PROFILE. THIS IS A VIOLATION OF MY FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS.//

298 Dr. Matt  Jun 3, 2015 7:47:56am

re: #291 HappyWarrior

Fortunately it will be harder for him to harass strangers on facebook.

But, he’ll be able to obsess over profile pics of ladies in bikinis.

299 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 7:48:06am

re: #296 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

From the interview with Milo Yiannopoulos:

He’s a troll. Twitter was right to have banned him.

300 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 3, 2015 7:49:10am

re: #206 Feline Fearless Leader

Concur. A pointer to a site, or simply some simple clues on what to do would be appreciated. I haven’t hit anything quite lit like that, but I assume I will at some point in this project. The reason I am also looking at specific de-blur software as well.

This project is looking like a go-through of this material 2-3 times. First time is the initial scan. Second run is review of contents to pick stuff out for re-scan, further work, or deletion*. Then doing the re-work before sorting and distributing.

* - I have no interest in a picture of half a tackle box and a towel. See these due to how my dad would take a few pictures while getting a fresh roll of film wound into the camera.

This is relatively easy to do in Photoshop. Even using auto levels should clear up the red tint. Otherwise, use the eye-dropper under adjustments > levels should solve most of the slide-film tint. Good luck with the project. It looks time consuming, but rewarding.

# sorry if this has already been addressed.

301 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 3, 2015 7:49:35am

re: #286 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

“I can’t stand living here anymore! I’m gonna run away from home!!”

{Time passes}

“Mom, can you pick me up at the bus station? I don’t have any money for a ticket.”

My brother did the equivalent of that a few times in his late pre-teens.

302 darthstar  Jun 3, 2015 7:50:01am

re: #281 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

“I’m gonna burn down the Establishment DOWN!!”

“Hey, how come I can’t get on my Twitter account?”

/////

I’m surprised GG’s team hasn’t picked him up by now. He’s unethical, doesn’t care about accuracy…perfect for FirstLook Media.

303 darthstar  Jun 3, 2015 7:50:36am

re: #291 HappyWarrior

Fortunately it will be harder for him to harass strangers on facebook.

Dox me again, son, and you’ll get no dessert tonight.

304 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 3, 2015 7:50:41am

re: #290 Dr. Matt

He’s killing it on facebook though. As of yesterday he had over 3500 “friends”.
//

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That might be useful as a way to identify a pile of troll accounts on FB.

305 Ace-o-aces  Jun 3, 2015 7:51:22am

re: #251 Charles Johnson

Chuck’s blog has basically turned into a graveyard.

There’s not a violin small enough for me to play.

306 Dr. Matt  Jun 3, 2015 7:54:12am

re: #299 HappyWarrior

He’s a troll. Twitter was right to have banned him.

CCJ is the logical result from the de-evolution of conservative “media”. From father Coughlin we got Rush, from Rush we got Savage-Weiner and Levin, from Savage-Weiner/Levin we got Hannity, Ingraham, and O’Reilly, from there we got Drudge/Breitbart, following them we got O’Queef, and now we have the perfectly de-evolved mole crab known as CCJ. I can’t imagine what will follow in his footsteps.

307 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 3, 2015 7:54:46am

I see bubba addressed the PS upthread. That’s what I get for walking away for a while. :)

308 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 3, 2015 7:54:47am

re: #299 HappyWarrior

He’s a troll. Twitter was right to have banned him.

One of his biggest problems is his motor mouth. He keeps rambling and eventually says shit that discredits everything he says he’s trying to do. If you watch the interview, you can tell Milo has decided by the halfway point that interviewing CCJ was perhaps not a wise choice.

309 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 3, 2015 7:55:51am

re: #300 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

This is relatively easy to do in Photoshop. Even using auto levels should clear up the red tint. Otherwise, use the eye-dropper under adjustments > levels should solve most of the slide-film tint. Good luck with the project. It looks time consuming, but rewarding.

# sorry if this has already been addressed.

Thanks. I’ll poke around with the editor I use and see how the equivalents there work out.

The project is going to be time-consuming, but it has a lot of win-win in it. I get closet space eventually. Material that is uselessly moldering away gets put into a more useful format and distributed out. And I get small rewards as I go along and rediscover old things.

310 darthstar  Jun 3, 2015 7:56:23am

Oh, this is sad…

So far, the response has been more than underwhelming, with only 277 signers (as of this writing) since the petition was launched on change.org 4 days ago.

311 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 3, 2015 7:57:01am

re: #306 Dr. Matt

CCJ is the logical result from the de-evolution of conservative “media”. From father Coughlin we got Rush, from Rush we got Savage-Weiner and Levin, from Savage-Weiner/Levin we got Hannity, Ingraham, and O’Reilly, from there we got Drudge/Breitbart, following them we got O’Queef, and now we have the perfectly de-evolved mole crab known as CCJ. I can’t imagine what will follow in his footsteps.

[CCJ]Scratches head…can someone call up some radio stations to see if I can get one of those talk radio gigs?[/CCJ]

312 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 3, 2015 7:57:19am

re: #310 darthstar

Oh, this is sad…

Maybe he needs to start a Brown Ribbon campaign.

313 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 7:57:24am

re: #308 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

One of his biggest problems is his motor mouth. He keeps rambling and eventually says shit that discredits everything he says he’s trying to do. If you watch the interview, you can tell Milo has decided by the halfway point that interviewing CCJ was perhaps not a wise choice.

I actually wouldn’t be too shocked if he is in fact on the spectrum like he claims but I can tell you this, being on the spectrum gives you no excuse to do the shit he does and if anything because of what he may have experienced due to being on the spectrum as a child should give him empathy. He’s a hothead and yes a motor mouth who thinks he’s the greatest.

314 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 7:58:24am

re: #306 Dr. Matt

CCJ is the logical result from the de-evolution of conservative “media”. From father Coughlin we got Rush, from Rush we got Savage-Weiner and Levin, from Savage-Weiner/Levin we got Hannity, Ingraham, and O’Reilly, from there we got Drudge/Breitbart, following them we got O’Queef, and now we have the perfectly de-evolved mole crab known as CCJ. I can’t imagine what will follow in his footsteps.

Not to nitpick your devolution of conservative “media” but Hannity comes directly from Rush. And Drudge has been around for a long time too. That said, I’m with you, it’s disturbing to think what kind of psychotic nut will come after CCJ.

315 Dr. Matt  Jun 3, 2015 7:59:00am

re: #311 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

[CCJ]Scratches head…can someone call up some radio stations to see if I can get one of those talk radio gigs?[/CCJ]

I’m actually surprised CCJ hasn’t decided to start up an internet “radio station” or follow the highly “successful” PPV model championed by Sister Sarah and Beck.

316 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 3, 2015 7:59:36am

re: #308 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

One of his biggest problems is his motor mouth. He keeps rambling and eventually says shit that discredits everything he says he’s trying to do. If you watch the interview, you can tell Milo has decided by the halfway point that interviewing CCJ was perhaps not a wise choice.

Beyond that I get the impression that he is inherently lazy as well with expectations of being handed more than he deserves or works for. In combination with the other behaviors it would be laughable if it was not so annoying and destructive.

317 b_sharp  Jun 3, 2015 7:59:38am

re: #210 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, supposed to get down to 58 here tonight, 73 tomorrow for a high.

Only 71 today. Crazy for June 3.

Going up to 21C (70F) up here above the 50th parallel.

318 ObserverArt  Jun 3, 2015 8:00:34am

re: #175 CleverToad

Alleflippenlujah, I am gobsmacked. That’s Photoshop??? The focus is sharpened, the faces are clear, the colors are true, even to the green of my little sister’s lace dress and the ribbons of the flower girls’ bouquets.

I thought I could maybe make the image a little clearer. I didn’t know someone could reel back time 55 years. I have tears in my eyes, looking at this. Thank you so very much, Bubba Zanetti!!!

I love you lizards!
And I definitely have to learn how to do this

re: #206 Feline Fearless Leader

Concur. A pointer to a site, or simply some simple clues on what to do would be appreciated. I haven’t hit anything quite lit like that, but I assume I will at some point in this project. The reason I am also looking at specific de-blur software as well.

This project is looking like a go-through of this material 2-3 times. First time is the initial scan. Second run is review of contents to pick stuff out for re-scan, further work, or deletion*. Then doing the re-work before sorting and distributing.

* - I have no interest in a picture of half a tackle box and a towel. See these due to how my dad would take a few pictures while getting a fresh roll of film wound into the camera.

It is kind of hard to explain all the ways you can work out balancing the color in a photo on a web discussion board. One thing I can show is where to start and give some quick clues as to what to do to fix it.

I bet others will be adding some additional comments to further help.

I always start by selecting an area that you know should be a pure white. I think CleverToad said that was her on the left. So, I figure her gloves are to be a fairly pure white. Take the color picking tool and click on the gloves and then go to the foreground color indicator. The color in the gloves is now the foreground color. Click on that and look at the colors in the area that is supposed to be white. You will notice in the CMYK area there is a ton of Magenta and Yellow. That right there tells you the need to cut back on those colors.

Then go to the “image” tab select “adjustments” and then select “color balance” and start to work the balance back to what is normal. Use the slider bars knowing that you will need to remove most of the color in the mid range and the highlights.

Of course that is a very basic explanation. There are other tools like adjusting “hue/saturation” and “selective color”.

Another suggestion for while you are learning…save your original file and save other files as you adjust. If you get out of balance and not sure where you lost it, delete that file and go back the one that was your last best result, save it again and start working on that. It is best done in stages and maybe even keep some notes or screens captures of what you had done so you know what you did and what the results were etc.

The second image is my quick attempt to balance it too. I think bubba zanetti got the color a little better than I have in #139, but we are both in the ballpark.

I see bubba added some more to this conversation since I have been putting my examples together. Good advice bubba!

Use the color selector tool and select a portion of the white glove - Outlined area in black. Notice 73 magenta and 57 yellow. Way too much of each obviously.
Quick color balance to remove the over saturation of magenta and yellow that was indicated by the selected area that should be white.
319 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 3, 2015 8:02:04am

re: #313 HappyWarrior

I actually wouldn’t be too shocked if he is in fact on the spectrum like he claims but I can tell you this, being on the spectrum gives you no excuse to do the shit he does and if anything because of what he may have experienced due to being on the spectrum as a child should give him empathy. He’s a hothead and yes a motor mouth who thinks he’s the greatest.

He’s got one of the fatal flaws of a very intelligent person. He thinks he’s the expert in everything, and therefore always right. It explains in part why he fails to see his big scoops are big flops, and why he seems to have zippo critical thinking skills. Also, he’s a bit paranoid. I met William Shockley as a teenager, and CCJ’s behavior reminds me a lot of Shockley’s. I figured at the time Shockley was going senile, but after reading about his younger days, I now realize Shockley was always an insufferable, paranoid asshole.

320 darthstar  Jun 3, 2015 8:03:13am
321 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 8:03:39am

re: #319 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He’s got one of the fatal flaws of a very intelligent person. He thinks he’s the expert in everything, and therefore always right. It explains in part why he fails to see his big scoops are big flops, and why he seems to have zippo critical thinking skills. Also, he’s a bit paranoid. I met William Shockley as a teenager, and CCJ’s behavior reminds me a lot of Shockley’s. I figured at the time Shockley was going senile, but after reading about his younger days, I now realize Shockley was always an insufferable, paranoid asshole.

Sounds about right.

322 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 8:04:00am

re: #320 darthstar

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Did he think of another cabinet department to abolish?

323 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 3, 2015 8:04:32am

re: #320 darthstar

Almost forgot about Perry. He can ride on the hood.

324 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 8:05:33am

I’m not sure Fox wanted this to hit the news the day before Megyn Kelly’s fluff job:

325 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 3, 2015 8:06:26am
326 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 8:06:39am

re: #324 Targetpractice

I’m not sure Fox wanted this to hit the news the day before Megyn Kelly’s fluff job:

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His youngest sister at the time.

327 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 8:06:47am

re: #324 Targetpractice

I’m not sure Fox wanted this to hit the news the night before Megyn Kelly’s fluff job:

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Sheesh.

328 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 8:07:59am

You know when you devote more time to creating more kids than actually raising kids and teach your sons that women have to be subservient to you, it’s not at all shocking that this sort of thing happens.

329 darthstar  Jun 3, 2015 8:08:11am

re: #324 Targetpractice

I’m not sure Fox wanted this to hit the news the day before Megyn Kelly’s fluff job:

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Is Megyn going to give a fair and balanced Duggar interview? Fuck her.

330 Ace-o-aces  Jun 3, 2015 8:08:58am

re: #319 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He’s got one of the fatal flaws of a very intelligent person. He thinks he’s the expert in everything, and therefore always right.

Except, I don’t even think he was that bright. He may have gotten a high score on some BS “IQ” test and then decided, based on his reading of “The Bell Curve”, that he was some kind of Übermensch and that fame and glory were somehow due to him. Notice how insanely jealous and resentful he became when someone else, who didn’t fit his conception of the “intellectual elite” succeeded. For instance, his insane and ultimately impotent crusade against Wesley Lowery.

331 b_sharp  Jun 3, 2015 8:09:42am

re: #329 darthstar

Is Megyn going to give a “fair and balanced” Duggar interview? Fuck her.

You needed the Fox News quotes.

332 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 3, 2015 8:09:49am

What the actual pluperfect fuck

333 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 3, 2015 8:09:58am

re: #324 Targetpractice

I’m not sure Fox wanted this to hit the news the day before Megyn Kelly’s fluff job:

No. Way.

334 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2015 8:10:00am

re: #315 Dr. Matt

I’m actually surprised CCJ hasn’t decided to start up an internet “radio station” or follow the highly “successful” PPV model championed by Sister Sarah and Beck.

He was actually twitter sourcing how to do that before he got banned.
He was tweeting everybody who does it. Far as I remember, only Joe Walsh replied to him and pretty much told him to figure it out for himself.

335 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 8:10:45am

re: #332 Lord Of The Pies

What the actual pluperfect fuck

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Scotty continuing to bury his general election chances in pursuit of the wingnut vote.

336 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 8:11:11am

re: #332 Lord Of The Pies

What the actual pluperfect fuck

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How the fuck would you know Scott?

337 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 8:11:39am

re: #335 Targetpractice

Scotty continuing to bury his general election chances in pursuit of the wingnut vote.

In this episode of Wingnut Theater, the role of Todd Akin will be played by Scot Walker.

338 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 3, 2015 8:11:58am

re: #332 Lord Of The Pies

What the actual pluperfect fuck

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Walker is about as idiotic as an elected head of a state can be. And that’s including Perry, Jindal, Scott, etc. I can think of no better example of failing upwards.

339 Nyet  Jun 3, 2015 8:12:25am

re: #179 Varek Raith

That’s just plain creepy.

One of the good things the Anon has done is hacking the HBGary fuckers. That’s how we learned about this in 2011.

340 b_sharp  Jun 3, 2015 8:12:47am

re: #332 Lord Of The Pies

What the actual pluperfect fuck

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They worry about getting pregnant from rape in the first few months and the fear doesn’t go away until they’re sure they aren’t pregnant. It certainly has nothing to do with women accepting being pregnant after being raped.

The man’s a rationalization machine (ignorant moron).

341 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 8:13:00am

re: #330 Ace-o-aces

Except, I don’t even think he was that bright. He may have gotten a high score on some BS “IQ” test and then decided, based on his reading of “The Bell Curve”, that he was some kind of Übermensch and that fame and glory were somehow due to him. Notice how insanely jealous and resentful he became when someone else, who didn’t fit his conception of the “intellectual elite” succeeded. For instance, his insane and ultimately impotent crusade against Wesley Lowery.

Yeah I don’t think he’s that intelligent either but I can see him being on the spectrum now that I am seeing more of him. Now that of course does not excuse his behavior. Hell, I’ve said if anything my experiences being on the spectrum make me more sensitive about what others go through.

342 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 8:13:26am

re: #338 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Walker is about as idiotic as an elected head of a state can be. And that’s including Perry, Jindal, Scott, etc. I can think of no better example of failing upwards.

The man’s a meat puppet for the Kochs. High intelligence was a negative on the resume.

343 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 8:14:03am

re: #342 Targetpractice

The man’s a meat puppet for the Kochs. High intelligence was a negative on the resume.

“Has original thoughts, better cross him off the list David.”

344 Lidane  Jun 3, 2015 8:14:47am

re: #332 Lord Of The Pies

This is what happens when wingnut college dropouts get elected governor.

Fuck Walker and anyone who agrees with him.

345 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 3, 2015 8:14:54am

re: #330 Ace-o-aces

Except, I don’t even think he was that bright. He may have gotten a high score on some BS “IQ” test and then decided, based on his reading of “The Bell Curve”, that he was some kind of Übermensch and that fame and glory were somehow due to him. Notice how insanely jealous and resentful he became when someone else, who didn’t fit his conception of the “intellectual elite” succeeded. For instance, his insane and ultimately impotent crusade against Wesley Lowery.

Yeah, his IQ score changed a little bit each time he referred to it. It’s too late to ask him now, but we should have asked for the documentation.

Besides, who brags about his IQ score? I’m sure I took an IQ test in school, but no one told me the results, and if they did, I forgot it. One’s IQ score is not the be-all, end-all of your life, anyway. There’s plenty of people with average IQ scores (like the majority of the people under the Bell curve) who have done great things, and many high IQ people who have done jack shit.

346 darthstar  Jun 3, 2015 8:15:23am
347 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 3, 2015 8:16:39am

re: #346 darthstar

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Is it a coloring book?

348 Dr. Matt  Jun 3, 2015 8:16:40am

I’m expecting a reply from Megyn Kelly….any….moment….now:

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349 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 3, 2015 8:16:42am

re: #254 bubba zanetti

A nice job nonetheless. I use PS5 to create textures for 3D models and I rarely play with photos so I was thinking maybe Lab Color and Curves.

350 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 3, 2015 8:16:51am

Amanda Marcotte calls out DOCTOR OF EVERYTHING TO DO WITH SEX for rape apologizing

351 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 3, 2015 8:18:18am

re: #350 Lord Of The Pies

Amanda Marcotte calls out DOCTOR OF EVERYTHING TO DO WITH SEX for rape apologizing

Amanda is a sex-denialist?

352 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 8:18:32am

re: #345 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

“…many high IQ people who have done jack shit.” That would be me. ; /

353 Dr. Matt  Jun 3, 2015 8:18:49am

re: #346 darthstar

Actual quote from Malkin:

I, lowly toilet paper, am the lofty result of faith in freedom, not the product of a bureaucrat’s mandate.

How embarrassing.

354 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 3, 2015 8:18:56am

re: #349 Higgs Boson’s Mate

A nice job nonetheless. I use PS5 to create textures for 3D models and I rarely play with photos so I was thinking maybe Lab Color and Curves.

I suspect there are some good tutorials on YouTube for color correcting scanned images as well. I seem to remember from long ago using scanners that there was a way to automate the color correction based on what type of film you were scanning. Like those red-tinted scans would be auto-corrected when ingesting them digitally. Might look into that as well.

355 Nyet  Jun 3, 2015 8:19:59am

re: #345 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

And lots of folks who turned their high IQs to sheer evil purposes. The Nazi leadership was pretty high-IQ.

356 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 8:20:01am

re: #346 darthstar

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Uh Michele the “You didn’t build that meme” failed just about three years ago. Sheesh Malkin being even more lame than Ron Johnson complaining about the Lego Movie.

357 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 3, 2015 8:20:31am

re: #353 Dr. Matt

Actually quite from Malkin:

How embarrassing.

“I, lowly toilet paper, am the result of people needing to wipe after they shit.”

Jeez, this woman is a cartoon.

358 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 3, 2015 8:20:42am

re: #351 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Amanda is a sex-denialist?

She is saying DR RUTH THE SEX GURU OF EVERYTHING TO DO WITH TEH SEXYTIMES is wrong about rape.

I am shocked.

359 makeitstop  Jun 3, 2015 8:20:45am

re: #290 Dr. Matt

He’s killing it on facebook though. As of yesterday he had over 3500 “friends”.
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As a point of comparison - I admin the Twisted Sister Facebook page.

They’ll do 3500 new friends in a week.

360 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 8:21:05am

re: #355 Nyet

And lots of folks who turned their high IQs for sheer evil purposes. The Nazi leadership was pretty high-IQ.

Yeah psychologists analyzed them at Nuremberg. Pretty much all the defendants had considerably high IQs.

361 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 3, 2015 8:21:27am

re: #355 Nyet

And lots of folks who turned their high IQs to sheer evil purposes. The Nazi leadership was pretty high-IQ.

And a lot of them came to the US to help with the cold war (eyeing you, Werner von Braun).

362 b_sharp  Jun 3, 2015 8:21:45am

re: #345 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Yeah, his IQ score changed a little bit each time he referred to it. It’s too late to ask him now, but we should have asked for the documentation.

Besides, who brags about his IQ score? I’m sure I took an IQ test in school, but no one told me the results, and if they did, I forgot it. One’s IQ score is not the be-all, end-all of your life, anyway. There’s plenty of people with average IQ scores (like the majority of the people under the Bell curve) who have done great things, and many high IQ people who have done jack shit.

My IQ has varied from 124 to 147 so either I’m mentally super inconsistent (flaky) or IQ tests aren’t all that meaningful. I suspect the latter.

363 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 3, 2015 8:21:54am

re: #353 Dr. Matt

Actually quite from Malkin:

How embarrassing.

Sounds like the result of playing Mad Libs game.

I, [adjective] [noun] , am the [adjective] result of [noun] in [noun], not the product of a [possessive noun] [noun].

364 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 8:22:04am

re: #359 makeitstop

As a point of comparison - I admin the Twisted Sister Facebook page.

They’ll do 3500 new friends in a week.

Not my kind of music but I do have a lot of respect for Dee Snider. He seems like a legit good dude. Much more normal than the people who were trying to censor his music.

365 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 8:22:34am

re: #350 Lord Of The Pies

Well, Dr. Ruth did backpedal a little bit.

“I am very worried about college campuses saying that a woman and a man—or two men or two women, but I talk right now about women and men—can be in bed together, Diane, and at one time, naked, and at one time he or she, most of the time they think she, can say “I changed my mind.”

“No such thing is possible. In the Talmud, in the Jewish tradition, it says when that part of the male anatomy is aroused and there’s an erection, the brain flies out of that and we have to take that very seriously, so I don’t agree with that.”

Sorry, but the erect cock doesn’t rule.

366 b_sharp  Jun 3, 2015 8:22:42am

re: #352 Justanotherhuman

“…many high IQ people who have done jack shit.” That would be me. ; /

I’ve never done Jack Shit, I am Jack Shit.

367 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 8:22:57am

re: #353 Dr. Matt

Actually quote from Malkin:

How embarrassing.

That’s Stephanie Meyer bad.

368 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 3, 2015 8:24:10am

re: #365 Justanotherhuman

Well, Dr. Ruth did backpedal a little bit.

“I am very worried about college campuses saying that a woman and a man—or two men or two women, but I talk right now about women and men—can be in bed together, Diane, and at one time, naked, and at one time he or she, most of the time they think she, can say “I changed my mind.”

“No such thing is possible. In the Talmud, in the Jewish tradition, it says when that part of the male anatomy is aroused and there’s an erection, the brain flies out of that and we have to take that very seriously, so I don’t agree with that.”

Sorry, but the erect cock doesn’t rule.

Dr. Ruth The Sex Expert Of Teh Sexytimes is not a Talmudic scholar. Oy.

369 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 8:25:31am

You’d think they would have learned something, but no…

Four day traders charged with insider trading by SEC

marketwatch.com

370 Dr. Matt  Jun 3, 2015 8:25:31am

re: #359 makeitstop

As a point of comparison - I admin the Twisted Sister Facebook page.

They’ll do 3500 new friends in a week.

Twisted Sister was my first concert. They opened for Iron Maiden at The Joe in 1985. The two things I remember the most from that show: 1) Dee Snider swore a lot, and 2) it was LOUD!

371 ObserverArt  Jun 3, 2015 8:25:41am

re: #332 Lord Of The Pies

What the actual pluperfect fuck

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That guy is one stupid ass. Actually doubly stupid. One for saying what he said and another for knowing he should probably cut back on saying stupid crap as you are running for office.

But, I am glad he does this all the time. Now hoping enough people are paying attention.

372 Nyet  Jun 3, 2015 8:26:38am

re: #360 HappyWarrior

Except Streicher. Of course.

373 Nyet  Jun 3, 2015 8:27:17am

re: #361 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

And a lot of them came to the US to help with the cold war (eyeing you, Werner von Braun).

Werner von Braun wasn’t the worst Nazi brought in during the Operation Paperclip.

374 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 8:27:21am

re: #369 Justanotherhuman

You’d think they would have learned something, but no…

Four day traders charged with insider trading by SEC

marketwatch.com

I’m shocked, SHOCKED!

375 Dave In Austin  Jun 3, 2015 8:27:28am

This is special!!!

Obama is responsible for the rain and flooding in Texas!!

Agenda 21!!!

themillenniumreport.com

It’s been 23yrs but I think I’ll take up the bottle again.

376 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 8:28:08am

re: #362 b_sharp

And a lot can happen between 16 and 60. ; /

It’s not consistent by any means.

377 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 8:28:12am

re: #372 Nyet

Except Streicher. Of course.

Yeah I was going to say there was exception in the lot. Forgot who it was but that it was Streicher makes sense. But the others i.e. Goering and Speer tested quite well.

378 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 3, 2015 8:28:35am

re: #354 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I suspect there are some good tutorials on YouTube for color correcting scanned images as well. I seem to remember from long ago using scanners that there was a way to automate the color correction based on what type of film you were scanning. Like those red-tinted scans would be auto-corrected when ingesting them digitally. Might look into that as well.

The scanner I bought (Epson V600) has options for auto orientation and color correction built into the scanner’s internal software. I am using those options - so my “base” slides might actually be red-tinting and the scanner is fixing that before I see it.

379 darthstar  Jun 3, 2015 8:28:59am

re: #290 Dr. Matt

He’s killing it on facebook though. As of yesterday he had over 3500 “friends”.
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Look at the bright side - he’s getting published by the same people as Sarah Palin.

380 Nyet  Jun 3, 2015 8:29:17am

re: #368 Lord Of The Pies

Besides, and I mean no offense, unless her audience consists solely of Orthodox Jews, it’s hard to see why she brought up the Talmud, which is not some universal font of truth.

381 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 8:29:23am

re: #373 Nyet

Werner von Braun wasn’t the worst Nazi brought in during the Operation Paperclip.

The fact that we(the US) hid Barbie from prosecution for decades is a black mark. You are talking about the CIA using Barbie and other former Gestapo and SS men for counter-intel right?

382 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 8:29:48am

re: #373 Nyet

Werner von Braun wasn’t the worst Nazi brought in during the Operation Paperclip.

Von Braun’s worst crime was he was willing to condone inhuman acts, namely the utilization of slave labor to build the rockets he was designing.

383 b_sharp  Jun 3, 2015 8:29:53am

re: #375 Dave In Austin

This is special!!!

Obama is responsible for the rain and flooding in Texas!!

Agenda 21!!!

themillenniumreport.com

It’s been 23yrs but I think I’ll take up the bottle again.

I hope that’s a satirical site because the thought of people actually believing shit like that is giving me an anxiety attack.

384 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 8:30:21am

re: #373 Nyet

Werner von Braun wasn’t the worst Nazi brought in during the Operation Paperclip.

He died aged 65, so I doubt he was one of the Nazis who collected all that SS.

385 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 3, 2015 8:30:26am

re: #380 Nyet

Besides, and I mean no offense, but unless her audience consists solely of Orthodox Jews, it’s hard to see why she brought up the Talmud, which is not some universal font of truth.

I do not know of even one Orthodox Jew who relies on “Dr. Ruth” for expert advice on Sexytimes and the Talmud. Or Rabbi Shmuley for that matter.

386 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 3, 2015 8:30:50am

re: #355 Nyet

And lots of folks who turned their high IQs to sheer evil purposes. The Nazi leadership was pretty high-IQ.

There’s a lot more to it than just IQ. Being motivated, ability to be organized, etc. etc. I know people who are smart as blazes but can’t organize to do things worth a damn, are so over-organized they’re in a constant state of stress paralysis, and some who have no common sense or tact. All shortcomings that would bring the plan for world conquest to a screeching halt.

Though they can just try again the next night. And every night.

387 Nyet  Jun 3, 2015 8:30:58am

re: #362 b_sharp

IQ varies with age.

388 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 3, 2015 8:31:21am

re: #353 Dr. Matt

Actually quote from Malkin:

How embarrassing.

And Malkin’s point is….?

389 b_sharp  Jun 3, 2015 8:31:21am

re: #376 Justanotherhuman

And a lot can happen between 16 and 60. ; /

It’s not consistent by any means.

True, but the 2 extreme tests were taken in my early 20s.

Did I mention I hate that I’m hitting 60 this year?

390 b_sharp  Jun 3, 2015 8:31:51am

re: #384 Justanotherhuman

He died aged 65, so I doubt he was one of the Nazis who collected all that SS.

Ouch.

391 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 3, 2015 8:32:02am

re: #383 b_sharp

I hope that’s a satirical site because the thought of people actually believing shit like that is giving me an anxiety attack.

I made joke about that like a week ago here. Obviously, someone read it and did an in-depth investigation into the matter, and well, I was right!!

Now I can sue for copyright infringement.

//

392 ObserverArt  Jun 3, 2015 8:32:19am

re: #365 Justanotherhuman

Well, Dr. Ruth did backpedal a little bit.

“I am very worried about college campuses saying that a woman and a man—or two men or two women, but I talk right now about women and men—can be in bed together, Diane, and at one time, naked, and at one time he or she, most of the time they think she, can say “I changed my mind.”

“No such thing is possible. In the Talmud, in the Jewish tradition, it says when that part of the male anatomy is aroused and there’s an erection, the brain flies out of that and we have to take that very seriously, so I don’t agree with that.”

Sorry, but the erect cock doesn’t rule.

Now I see where my problems were in my younger days. I actually let my brain rule. Damn, that must have been why the other guys were the bad asses and I was just another nice guy. Sigh.

///…with a bit of truth.

393 Nyet  Jun 3, 2015 8:33:11am

re: #386 Feline Fearless Leader

IQ basically has to do with academic achievement, which is correlated with income in today’s world. If you have a low IQ, it’s unlikely that you’ll be a good astrophysicist, but it’s just as unlikely if you have a big IQ and no self-discipline.

394 Dr. Matt  Jun 3, 2015 8:33:20am

re: #388 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

And Malkin’s point is….?

She’s still obsessing over the “you didn’t build that” comment and decided to write a book 3 years later trying to one-up the POTUS. hashtag butthurt

395 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 8:33:20am

re: #388 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

And Malkin’s point is….?

Government hands off my toilet paper.

396 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 3, 2015 8:33:38am

re: #389 b_sharp

True, but the 2 extreme tests were taken in my early 20s.

Did I mention I hate that I’m hitting 60 this year?

Is 60 hitting back?

397 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 3, 2015 8:33:53am

re: #395 HappyWarrior

Government hands off my toilet paper.

Chucky don’t need no toilet paper.

398 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 8:34:15am

re: #394 Dr. Matt

She’s still obsessing over the “you didn’t build that” comment and decided to write a book 3 years later trying to one-up the POTUS. hashtag butthurt

I think even Mitt Romney is over that and he wasn’t over losing a race to black guy that he had to ask Evander Holyfield to let him beat win in a boxing match.

399 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 3, 2015 8:35:15am

re: #388 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

And Malkin’s point is….?

We don’t need government to wipe our butts. Or her butt, anyway.

400 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 8:35:40am

re: #394 Dr. Matt

She’s still obsessing over the “you didn’t build that” comment and decided to write a book 3 years later trying to one-up the POTUS. hashtag butthurt

I guess she found out the hard way that the number of companies not raking in government contracts/subsidies is so small that TP was the greatest achievement she could flog.

401 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 3, 2015 8:35:57am

re: #393 Nyet

IQ basically has to do with academic achievement, which is correlated with income in today’s world. If you have a low IQ, it’s unlikely that you’ll be a good astrophysicist, but it’s just as unlikely if you have a big IQ and no self-discipline.

A lot has to do with how the test is formulated as well. You can’t measure it directly - so what indirect means are you using? Volcabulary, general knowledge, etc. And a poorly designed one will bring in a lot of cultural baggage, and then suddenly minorities and immigrants test out poorly due to not being knowledgeable about the predominant culture in the ways you expect.

402 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 3, 2015 8:38:10am

re: #401 Feline Fearless Leader

A lot has to do with how the test is formulated as well. You can’t measure it directly - so what indirect means are you using? Volcabulary, general knowledge, etc. And a poorly designed one will bring in a lot of cultural baggage, and then suddenly minorities and immigrants test out poorly due to not being knowledgeable about the predominant culture in the ways you expect.

A high IQ score just means you can do very well on IQ tests. There may be a correlation with native intelligence and/or academic ability, but even that’s debatable.

It’s an example of reification. We have turned the test score into a tangible measure of a person’s ability and/or worth, when it is really just a score on a specific test taken at a specific time. See en.wikipedia.org

403 b_sharp  Jun 3, 2015 8:39:15am

re: #396 Feline Fearless Leader

Is 60 hitting back?

Hard.

404 makeitstop  Jun 3, 2015 8:39:45am

re: #345 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Besides, who brags about his IQ score? I’m sure I took an IQ test in school, but no one told me the results, and if they did, I forgot it. One’s IQ score is not the be-all, end-all of your life, anyway.

Yeah, but remember - you’re talking about a guy who crowed about building model rockets when he was a kid like it was some kind of earth-shaking accomplishment.

405 ObserverArt  Jun 3, 2015 8:40:42am

Did Dark_Falcon really downding Charles for writing this topic???

Damn, that dude can be just downright confounding.

I sure would like to know what the problem was. It seems pretty clear Jindal is a wack job.

Oh wait, maybe Dark has been holding out and believes in creationism.

No, maybe he was pissed that Charles called it a stealth law. Republican governor and all.

Aww…who knows with Dark. Maybe if it was about guns or war history he would have gone on a bit with his criticism.

406 lawhawk  Jun 3, 2015 8:41:39am

re: #290 Dr. Matt

Gee, I could have had that many just for Mafia Wars. /

407 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 8:41:47am

Justice Department: Swiss banks Rothschild Bank AG and Banca Creditinvest SA reach deals with US over charges of helping Americans evade taxes - @Reuters
end of alert

408 ObserverArt  Jun 3, 2015 8:42:20am

re: #399 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

We don’t need government to wipe our butts. Or her butt, anyway.

I would suggest she stuff a roll of TP in her mouth!

That is the orifice that needs to cleaned up as it pumps out all her waste.

409 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 3, 2015 8:42:45am

re: #402 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

A high IQ score just means you can do very well on IQ tests. There may be a correlation with native intelligence and/or academic ability, but even that’s debatable.

That came up in a college course (Sociology related IIRC) that I took as an elective. A week was spent talking about IQ tests (various types), the issue with what you are actually testing, and also some material on survey questions and how easily it is to bias those to fit preconceived conclusions.

Another reason for asshole politicians to hate secondary education. :p

410 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 3, 2015 8:42:48am

re: #404 makeitstop

Yeah, but remember - you’re talking about a guy who crowed about building model rockets when he was a kid like it was some kind of earth-shaking accomplishment.

And winning lame J awards while in college, as if that were the equivalent of a Pulitzer.

411 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 8:43:03am

re: #406 lawhawk

Gee, I could have had that many just for Mafia Wars. /

Mafia Wars: Where even middle aged moms can join the mob.

412 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 3, 2015 8:44:00am

re: #373 Nyet

Werner von Braun wasn’t the worst Nazi brought in during the Operation Paperclip.

Let’s not even mention the evil shit the Japanese got away with in Unit 731.

413 makeitstop  Jun 3, 2015 8:44:08am

re: #353 Dr. Matt

Actually quote from Malkin:

How embarrassing.

What. The. Fuck.

Aren’t these people embarrassed by anything?

414 lawhawk  Jun 3, 2015 8:45:24am

re: #413 makeitstop

Nope. They aren’t - and they’ll blame it on you for pointing it out.

415 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 3, 2015 8:45:33am

re: #404 makeitstop

Yeah, but remember - you’re talking about a guy who crowed about building model rockets when he was a kid like it was some kind of earth-shaking accomplishment.

There was an award winning SF/F* short story I read once that featured a middle-aged man entering a shop where part of it was him reading a book that revealed what the ultimate highlight of his life was.

In his case it was making some fantastic catch in a neighborhood baseball game when he was 12.

* - SF/F = Science Fiction/Fantasy. I didn’t use just SF since the science rating of the story is rather low.

416 Dr. Matt  Jun 3, 2015 8:45:48am

re: #413 makeitstop

What. The. Fuck.

Aren’t these people embarrassed by anything?

Just a reminder: Malkin is the proud “thinktank” behind Twitchy. Enough said…..

417 ObserverArt  Jun 3, 2015 8:46:05am

You know who is big in toilet paper???

No, no, not Hitler.

The Koch brothers. They built that.

Angel Soft toilet paper, Quilted Northern toilet paper, Soft ‘n Gentle toilet paper. All Koch Industries products.

418 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 3, 2015 8:46:22am

re: #409 Feline Fearless Leader

That came up in a college course (Sociology related IIRC) that I took as an elective. A week was spent talking about IQ tests (various types), the issue with what you are actually testing, and also some material on survey questions and how easily it is to bias those to fit preconceived conclusions.

Another reason for asshole politicians to hate secondary education. :p

One of my teacher prep courses for my MAT was a seminar on the science of education, and we spent quite a bit of time discussing IQ tests and their limited validity and usefulness, as well as their abuse. The professor was one of the best teachers I’ve ever had. He made the whole IQ charade clear as day.

419 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 3, 2015 8:47:19am

DR SEX EXPERT OF ALL TEH SEXYTIMES, IT’S TIME TO RETIRE FROM TEH SEX ADVICE

420 BigPapa  Jun 3, 2015 8:47:57am

re: #416 Dr. Matt

Just a reminder: Malkin is the proud “thinktank” behind Twitchy. Enough said…..

Twitchy/Michelle Malkin just might be the Hadron Collider of Irony.

421 makeitstop  Jun 3, 2015 8:48:35am

re: #364 HappyWarrior

Not my kind of music but I do have a lot of respect for Dee Snider. He seems like a legit good dude. Much more normal than the people who were trying to censor his music.

I’ve been their webmaster for 15 years now (since their reunion for a benefit for 9/11 PD and FD widows and children), I was a big fan back in the 70s, because their bar shows were second to none.

Now, they still headline festivals in Europe, and for a bunch of guys in their 60s, they still put on a hell of a show.

All great guys, to boot. More typical New York wiseasses you will never find.

422 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 3, 2015 8:48:57am

re: #418 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

One of my teacher prep courses for my MAT was a seminar on the science of education, and we spent quite a bit of time discussing IQ tests and their limited validity and usefulness, as well as their abuse. The professor was one of the best teachers I’ve ever had. He made the whole IQ charade clear as day.

423 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 3, 2015 8:48:59am

re: #418 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

One of my teacher prep courses for my MAT was a seminar on the science of education, and we spent quite a bit of time discussing IQ tests and their limited validity and usefulness, as well as their abuse. The professor was one of the best teachers I’ve ever had. He made the whole IQ charade clear as day.

Falls in line with directed surveys and horoscopes. With the right wording you can make it say whatever you want it to say. Which then leads into “lies, damned lies, and statistics” territory since the skewed survey provides the statistical data to make whatever biased claim you wanted to make in the first place.

424 Nyet  Jun 3, 2015 8:49:56am

re: #401 Feline Fearless Leader

That was the mistake of the earlier IQ researchers, since then the tests should have become as culture-independent as possible (meaning e.g. that not knowing what “Walmart” is doesn’t mean you’re dumb). When they are not, the researchers are at least aware of the problem and (must) take it into account.

That said, the very process of thinking itself is culturally dependent. James Flynn, who discovered the rise of average national IQs in the 20th century, has put forth a hypothesis (which seems plausible to me) that the IQ gains have to do with the changing way people have come to see the world - modern people are more and more open to abstract reasoning, whereas just a century before they were more “practically minded”. Here’s a description of an exchange with an older Soviet peasant:

Q: All bears are white where there is always snow; in Novaya Zemlya there is always snow; what color are the bears there?
A: I have seen only black bears and I do not talk of what I have not seen.
Q: What do my words imply?
A: If a person has not been there he can not say anything on the basis of words. If a man was 60 or 80 and had seen a white bear there and told me about it, he could be believed.

Obviously, this way of thinking does not indicate that the man is somehow congenitally deficient. When such a person is presented with Raven’s matrices, (s)he may refuse to try and solve them not because (s)he is stupid, but simply because “Why?”.

425 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 8:50:41am

re: #421 makeitstop

I’ve been their webmaster for 15 years now (since their reunion for a benefit for 9/11 PD and FD widows and children), I was a big fan back in the 70s, because their bar shows were second to none.

Now, they still headline festivals in Europe, and for a bunch of guys in their 60s, they still put on a hell of a show.

All great guys, to boot. More typical New York wiseasses you will never find.

Way cool. I’ve seen Dee interviewed before. As I said it’s really not my cup of tea but hey we all have different music tastes but I really like Dee. He just seems genuine and a decent guy. That’s a cool gig that you do for them. Cousin’s husband has met a lot of musicians due to his time as a sound engineer.

426 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 8:51:24am

I think some people just test better than others.

427 makeitstop  Jun 3, 2015 8:51:48am

re: #370 Dr. Matt

Twisted Sister was my first concert. They opened for Iron Maiden at The Joe in 1985. The two things I remember the most from that show: 1) Dee Snider swore a lot, and 2) it was LOUD!

I just went out to Vegas to photograph their first show of the year (and the first after their original drummer’s untimely death) on Saturday night.

Believe it or not, Extreme was on the bill, and they were louder than Twisted. TS was loud, sure - but Nuno Bettencourt had 5 stacks on stage and had all of them turned up to 11. He’s a great player, but it was quite annoying.

428 ObserverArt  Jun 3, 2015 8:52:32am

re: #423 Feline Fearless Leader

Feline Fearless Leader…

Did you catch my #318? I had some advice for you on color correcting and the posting has been pretty fast this morning. Just wanted to make sure you caught it and add it to your thinking. It might be of help.

429 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 3, 2015 8:52:36am

re: #422 Lord Of The Pies

This is course I took back then: Seminar in History of Science of Education

And the professor wku.edu

He was at U of L when I was a master’s student there.

430 Nyet  Jun 3, 2015 8:52:46am

And yes, IQ tests are scientific, meaningful (in aggregate) and no more a charade than AGW. But their misuse is another issue.

431 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 3, 2015 8:55:51am

re: #430 Nyet

And yes, IQ tests are scientific, meaningful (in aggregate) and no more a charade than AGW. But their misuse is another issue.

Agreed. They have limited scope and meaning, but their misuse and misinterpretation is the much bigger issue.

And I wish I could stay and talk about this some more, but it’s midnight here and I have an 8:00 class. So, later on!

432 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 3, 2015 8:56:14am

re: #421 makeitstop

I’ve been their webmaster for 15 years now (since their reunion for a benefit for 9/11 PD and FD widows and children), I was a big fan back in the 70s, because their bar shows were second to none.

Now, they still headline festivals in Europe, and for a bunch of guys in their 60s, they still put on a hell of a show.

All great guys, to boot. More typical New York wiseasses you will never find.

Pretty cool!

433 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 8:57:20am

I think IQ tests probably do have a legitimate use but just not as an end all. In otherwords, if you’re using your IQ and your IQ only to boast about how smart you are then yeah that’s a fail.

434 Dave In Austin  Jun 3, 2015 8:59:00am
435 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 8:59:02am

re: #424 Nyet

I think a lot of it has to do with where people are located, as you illustrated, where you get your education, how much of formal education you’re able to obtain (and how good that is), and what you consider priorities in your life.

Thus, we have the illustration (and joke) of someone who can perform brain surgery but doesn’t know how to change a tire. Which isn’t always true, since some people can do neither and some can do both.

436 makeitstop  Jun 3, 2015 9:00:17am

re: #432 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Pretty cool!

The level of reciprocal ball-busting between band, band and crew, crew and management, management and guys like me is completely off the scale.

Their bass player was telling me about the rehearsals with their fill-in drummer (the excellent Mike Portnoy from Dream Theater). He said poor Mike was completely unprepared for being teased by band, crew and management.

But it’s a rite of passage. If TS doesn’t bust your chops, you’re probably not long for whatever job you’ve got with them. :)

437 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 9:01:28am

re: #434 Dave In Austin

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You could say the same thing about Christianity. Fucking bigot fuckwit.

438 Kid A  Jun 3, 2015 9:02:49am

The absurdity of the wingnut mind:

439 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 9:03:38am
440 bubba zanetti  Jun 3, 2015 9:05:15am

Talking about IQ tests reminds me of something that happened to me in 6th grade. We had these math worksheets we would do in class. They were word problems based on some sort of theme. We would grade each others work and then the teacher would call out our names to get our scores.

I was very good at math and would almost always get 100%. But then one day we got a worksheet where the theme was football. I’m a first generation American and I grew up playing soccer. I had a little exposure to football playing with friends at recess, but since we didn’t have a proper goalpost unbeknownst to me we skipped the extra point kick. To me a touchdown was 7 points.

So the worksheet had a bunch of questions like “Jimmy James ran 3 touchdowns in the first quarter and 1 touchdown in the fourth. How many points did Jimmy score”. My answer was 28, when they were looking for 24. There wasn’t anything in the directions that explained what the points were worth. Naturally, I bombed the test. When I told the teacher my score (probably fighting back tears) the whole class gasped in astonishment.

That forever changed my perspective on test scores.

441 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 3, 2015 9:05:15am

re: #438 Kid A

The absurdity of the wingnut mind:

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But Tammy Duckworth is a “libtard” to them

442 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 9:05:25am

re: #438 Kid A

The absurdity of the wingnut mind:

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I said it yesterday but being openly transgender is definitely courageous when you consider that people get murdered in this country for being trans and have to do deal with a lot of hostility. I also wonder what Fucknut would say to Kristin Beck, a former NAVY Seal and transwoman. The troops are definitely courageous but the wingnuts need to stop using them to claim other people don’t have any legit gripes.

443 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 3, 2015 9:05:59am

re: #428 ObserverArt

Feline Fearless Leader…

Did you catch my #318? I had some advice for you on color correcting and the posting has been pretty fast this morning. Just wanted to make sure you caught it and add it to your thinking. It might be of help.

I saw it. Thanks for the reminder.

444 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 9:07:10am

re: #441 Lord Of The Pies

But Tammy Duckworth is a “libtard” to them

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And he has my respect and I actually would have voted for him over Jenner. What don’t fucking wingnuts get is that there are many ways to be courageous. This guy being courageous doesn’t mean it’s not courageous for Jenner to be openly transgender when you have fucking presidential candidates like Huckabee likening her to a sex deviant and others who think its okay to kill people who are transgender.

445 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 9:07:12am

re: #440 bubba zanetti

Those are the kinds of questions that are biased against women, as well.

446 Kid A  Jun 3, 2015 9:07:23am

And the creator of that wingnut meme? Ted Nugent.

447 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 9:08:27am

re: #446 Kid A

And the creator of that wingnut meme? Ted Nugent.

Oh, Mr. I shat my pants to get out of the draft, yeah his respect for the troops is so “noble.”

448 Nyet  Jun 3, 2015 9:08:31am

re: #437 HappyWarrior

You could say the same thing about Christianity. Fucking bigot fuckwit.

The second comment in this thread is like Fawstin’s, but seems to have been well-liked.

I don’t like overgeneralizations/oversimplifications, even if I don’t like religion as such at the same time.

449 Nyet  Jun 3, 2015 9:10:06am

re: #440 bubba zanetti

“Jimmy James ran 3 touchdowns in the first quarter and 1 touchdown in the fourth. How many points did Jimmy score”.

I don’t even know what a touchdown is. I would have done super on that test. ///

450 Ace-o-aces  Jun 3, 2015 9:10:20am

re: #439 Justanotherhuman

451 Lidane  Jun 3, 2015 9:10:25am

re: #438 Kid A

I’ve seen every permutation of that meme. Amputee veterans who now run marathons, firefighters or cops that died in the line of duty, etc.

It’s like people think courage or bravery only comes if you get maimed in war or if you die. I don’t get it at all.

452 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 9:10:25am

re: #448 Nyet

The second comment in this thread is like Fawstin’s, but seems to have been well-liked.

I don’t like overgeneralizations/oversimplifications, even if I don’t like religion as such at the same time.

Didn’t upding it myself. My point is that many of the accusations they throw about Islam i.e. anti women, anti-semitic, etc could easily be said about Christianity. So yeah I agree with you. I don’t like over-generalizing religion either. I’ve actually said that I find banning gay marriage to be discriminatory towards liberal Christians who are okay with it being legal.

453 Dr. Matt  Jun 3, 2015 9:10:46am

re: #438 Kid A

The absurdity of the wingnut mind:

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Oooooooh, so NOW the wing-nuts like our troops? I thought they needed to be armed to fight against them during the JadeHelm invasion?

454 Ace-o-aces  Jun 3, 2015 9:11:12am
455 Nyet  Jun 3, 2015 9:11:20am

re: #440 bubba zanetti

That forever changed my perspective on test scores.

That said, no proper IQ test will have a question like this.

456 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 9:12:18am

re: #450 Ace-o-aces

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Well, his brother is white, of course, so there’s that. Prosecute for harming a white man; get away with killing Black people.

I’ll bet he beats his wife, too.

457 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 9:12:26am

If you really respect the troops, you wouldn’t use them to put other people down. You especially shouldn’t use the fact that the troops are poorly pay to tell minimum wage workers (some of whom are vets by the way) that they shouldn’t complain about poor wages.

458 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 9:12:56am

re: #450 Ace-o-aces

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From the George Zimmerman school.

459 allegro  Jun 3, 2015 9:14:08am

re: #389 b_sharp

True, but the 2 extreme tests were taken in my early 20s.

Did I mention I hate that I’m hitting 60 this year?

No two tests have the same standard deviation which is why the numbers seem so inconsistent. Comparing the numbers between tests is comparing apples to oranges. Where consistency us found is in percentiles of the population when the same population is taking both tests.

460 Nyet  Jun 3, 2015 9:16:48am

I have no idea what my IQ is. I took a test in school, but the result wasn’t a usual IQ number, and after that I never bothered.

461 Lidane  Jun 3, 2015 9:17:27am

The new Florence and the Machine album is brilliant. I’m in love all over again.

462 Dr. Matt  Jun 3, 2015 9:17:47am

Georgia man wandered around Atlanta airport with a loaded AR-15 (with 100 round drum) because ‘something might happen’

Imagine if a bearded man wearing a dishdasha walked around an airport like that?

463 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 3, 2015 9:18:01am

re: #460 Nyet

I have no idea what my IQ is. I took a test in school, but the result wasn’t a usual IQ number, and after that I never bothered.

I probably had it tested when I was in grade school but have not taken a test since and remain blissfully unaware

464 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 3, 2015 9:18:44am

re: #462 Dr. Matt

Georgia man wandered around Atlanta airport with a loaded AR-15 (with 100 round drum) because ‘something might happen

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Imagine if a bearded man wearing a dishdasha walked around an airport like that?

How did he get into the terminal and it wasn’t locked down and flights cancelled and connecting flights fucked up all over the world?

466 lawhawk  Jun 3, 2015 9:19:27am

The wingnuts are quick to denigrate Caitlyn Jenner’s courage in her choice of actions, and deem soldiers fighting in recent wars to be true heroes.

What they forget - or conveniently ignore is that there were plenty of heroes in past wars that were ignored and their heroism buried because of racism, anti Semitism, and likely homophobia.

Some of the long overlooked soldiers include Private Henry Johnson, who was accorded the Medal of Honor yesterday, who was a member of the Harlem Hellfighters, a New York batallion of African Americans who couldn’t even fight under the US command because of segregation, and instead fought under the French command in World War I. He could have died fighting for his country, but not under a US command because of segregation.

Likewise, the heroism of Jews who fought for the US was often overlooked because of anti Semitism, and that oversight was corrected yesterday when Seargant William Shemin was accorded the Medal of Honor as well.

These soldiers who won the MoH did so that we can enjoy all of our freedoms - and that includes Caitlyn Jenner. Caitlyn’s actions have likely inspired others to be true to themselves, and serves as an inspiration to overcome hate and bigotry. There are still lots of barriers to be overcome, but Caitlyn’s actions are heroic; they didn’t happen on a battlefield, but the hate and venom directed at her shows just how much people are resistant to change and to others enjoying the freedoms that many of us take for granted.

Moreover, some of the same people who are going after Caitlyn Jenner are more than happy to fight to restore racial disparities (and seek to intimidate through flying the Confederate flag or linking/approvingly posting to white supremacists/racists, etc.) or seek to impose religious views that undermine the religious freedoms of others - like religious minorities that in the US include Jews, Muslims, Hindus, and other non-Christian denominations.

467 Dr. Matt  Jun 3, 2015 9:20:04am

re: #464 Lord Of The Pies

How did he get into the terminal and it wasn’t locked down and flights cancelled and connecting flights fucked up all over the world?

Georgia law allows guns everywhere including the unsecure locations of an airport.

468 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 3, 2015 9:20:53am

re: #440 bubba zanetti

That forever changed my perspective on test scores.

It is amazing that people buy the premise that

relative score on a written intelligence test = absolute intelligence.

Might as well say that

relative distance of shotput toss = absolute athletic ability

469 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 9:20:55am

re: #464 Lord Of The Pies

How did he get into the terminal and it wasn’t locked down and flights cancelled and connecting flights fucked up all over the world?

I imagine he was only in luggage pick up area (pre-security) but still a man with a fucking AR-15 walking around one of the nation and world’s busiest airports. Yeah that’s smart. These people need to stop. We get it, you love guns. Go hunting or target shooting but stay the hell away from areas where there’s a ton of people.

470 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 9:21:41am

re: #466 lawhawk

The wingnuts are quick to denigrate Caitlyn Jenner’s courage in her choice of actions, and deem soldiers fighting in recent wars to be true heroes.

What they forget - or conveniently ignore is that there were plenty of heroes in past wars that were ignored and their heroism buried because of racism, anti Semitism, and likely homophobia.

Some of the long overlooked soldiers include Private Henry Johnson, who was accorded the Medal of Honor yesterday, who was a member of the Harlem Hellfighters, a New York batallion of African Americans who couldn’t even fight under the US command because of segregation, and instead fought under the French command in World War I. He could have died fighting for his country, but not under a US command because of segregation.

Likewise, the heroism of Jews who fought for the US was often overlooked because of anti Semitism, and that oversight was corrected yesterday when Seargant William Shemin was accorded the Medal of Honor as well.

These soldiers who won the MoH did so that we can enjoy all of our freedoms - and that includes Caitlyn Jenner. Caitlyn’s actions have likely inspired others to be true to themselves, and serves as an inspiration to overcome hate and bigotry. There are still lots of barriers to be overcome, but Caitlyn’s actions are heroic; they didn’t happen on a battlefield, but the hate and venom directed at her shows just how much people are resistant to change and to others enjoying the freedoms that many of us take for granted.

Moreover, some of the same people who are going after Caitlyn Jenner are more than happy to fight to restore racial disparities (and seek to intimidate through flying the Confederate flag or linking/approvingly posting to white supremacists/racists, etc.) or seek to impose religious views that undermine the religious freedoms of others - like religious minorities that in the US include Jews, Muslims, Hindus, and other non-Christian denominations.

Brilliant.

471 lawhawk  Jun 3, 2015 9:21:53am

re: #462 Dr. Matt

Imagine the same man walking up even near an El Al counter. Or walked near/in the US Holocaust Museum.

472 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 9:22:25am

Quick everybody, look shocked:

473 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 3, 2015 9:22:35am

re: #469 HappyWarrior

I imagine he was only in luggage pick up area (pre-security) but still a man with a fucking AR-15 walking around one of the nation and world’s busiest airports. Yeah that’s smart. These people need to stop. We get it, you love guns. Go hunting or target shooting but stay the hell away from areas where there’s a ton of people.

If you want to protect your home and property, then that is your right. But to be of any use in a public place during a shooting incident, you need nerves of steel, good situational awareness and years of experience.

That is a skills set you cannot purchase at the local Wal-Mart sporting goods counter.

474 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 3, 2015 9:22:53am

re: #467 Dr. Matt

Georgia law allows guns everywhere including the unsecure locations of an airport.

Yeah I just read that. smfh

475 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2015 9:22:56am

Jon Ritzheimer’s FB meltdown is something else.

476 Dr. Matt  Jun 3, 2015 9:23:12am

It must be terrible to live in such an utter state of fear and paranoia that you need to carry an AR-15, with 100 round drum, everywhere you go.

477 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 9:23:28am

re: #472 Targetpractice

Quick everybody, look shocked:

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Maybe we should ask the Supreme Court to allow marriages between men and guns because I think given the choice all the Congressional Republicans would leave their spouse for a gun.

478 b_sharp  Jun 3, 2015 9:23:41am

re: #460 Nyet

I have no idea what my IQ is. I took a test in school, but the result wasn’t a usual IQ number, and after that I never bothered.

Negative territory?

479 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 9:24:02am

re: #476 Dr. Matt

It must be terrible to live in such an utter state of fear and paranoia that you need to carry an AR-15, with 100 round drum, everywhere you go.

I know right? They think they’re tough but they’re actually quite cowardly when you think about it.

480 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 9:24:23am

re: #473 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

If you want to protect your home and property, then that is your right. But to be of any use in a public place during a shooting incident, you need nerves of steel, good situational awareness and years of experience.

That is a skills set you cannot purchase at the local Wal-Mart sporting goods counter.

Precisely.

481 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 3, 2015 9:24:30am

re: #476 Dr. Matt

It must be terrible to live in such an utter state of fear and paranoia that you need to carry an AR-15, with 100 round drum, everywhere you go.

Asked by a reporter if there was reasonable to alarm people by lugging the loaded gun around even if it was legal, Cooley replied, “If you don’t exercise your rights, the government doesn’t have any hesitation taking them away.”

482 Nyet  Jun 3, 2015 9:25:26am

re: #478 b_sharp

:)
Just a custom test. I did well, but it wasn’t the usual IQ score.

483 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 9:25:43am

re: #481 Lord Of The Pies

Well shit asshole, I don’t go around shouting racist things at black people and then going “It’s my free speech.” You do have a right to your penis substitute but keep it away from the fucking airport.

484 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 3, 2015 9:26:04am

re: #481 Lord Of The Pies

Asked by a reporter if there was reasonable to alarm people by lugging the loaded gun around even if it was legal, Cooley replied, “If you don’t exercise your rights, the government doesn’t have any hesitation taking them away.”

A well regulated militia, indeed…

485 Lidane  Jun 3, 2015 9:26:12am

re: #463 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I probably had it tested when I was in grade school but have not taken a test since and remain blissfully unaware

Same here.

I took some placement tests before 6th grade because I switched schools and they wanted to know where to put me. And I know I took an IQ test at some point, but I couldn’t tell you the score even if you held a gun to my head. The only standardized test I know my results for is the MBTI since I took it in grad school. That’s it.

486 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 9:26:17am

Next gun nuts will push for defendants to be able to be armed in the court house.

487 Lidane  Jun 3, 2015 9:27:20am
488 Nyet  Jun 3, 2015 9:27:36am

(A continuation of the exchange with that peasant (or a group of peasants) might be of interest, also. From one of Flynn’s books.)

Click to Reveal

Camels and Germany (p. 112):

Q: There are no camels in Germany; the city of B is in Germany; are there camels there or not?
A: I don’t know, I have never seen German villages. If is a large city, there should be camels there.
Q: But what if there aren’t any in all of Germany?
A: If B is a village, there is probably no room for camels.

The peasants are entirely correct. They understand the difference between analytic and synthetic propositions: pure logic cannot tell us anything about facts: only experience can. But this will do them no good on current IQ tests. As for the effect of attachment to the concrete on classification, the kind of thing required in the Similarities subtest, Luria (1976) serves to drive the point home:

Dogs and chickens (pp. 81-82):

Q: What do a chicken and a dog have in common?
A: They are not alike. A chicken has two legs, a dog has four. A chicken has wings but a dog doesn’t. A dog has big ears and a chicken’s are small.
Q: Is there one word you could use for them both?
A: No, of course not.
Q: Would the word “animal” fit?
A: Yes.

Fish and crows (p. 82)

Q: What do a fish and a crow have in common?
A: A fish — it lives in water. A crow flies. If the fish just lies on top of the water, the crow could peck at it. A crow can eat a fish but a fish can’t eat a crow.
Q: Could you use one word for them both?
A: If you call them “animals”, that wouldn’t be right. A fish isn’t an animal and a crow isn’t either. A crow can eat a fish but a fish can’t eat a bird. A person can eat fish but not a crow.

Note that even after an abstract term is suggested, that kind of answer is still alien. Today we are so familiar with the categories of science that it seems obvous that the most important attribute things have in comon is that they are both animate, or mammals, or chemical compounds. However, people attached to the concrete will not find those categories natural at all. First, they will be far more reluctant to classify. Second, when they do classify, they will have a strong preference for concrete similarities (two things look alike, two animals are functionally related, for example, one eats the other) over a similarity in terms of abstract categories.

489 Dr. Matt  Jun 3, 2015 9:28:00am

re: #475 Backwoods_Sleuth

Jon Ritzheimer’s FB meltdown is something else.

PHOENIX - Ever since Friday’s “Freedom of Speech Rally” outside a Phoenix mosque, its controversial organizer says hackers have ruined his life.

He called it a “Freedom of Speech Rally.” But, many counter-protestors say it was protest against all Muslims and Islam. John Ritzheimer admits this whole thing blew up in his face and he was ill-prepared for what happened outside the mosque.

“I went there that night with a gun on my hip, fully thinking I was going to die, that a terrorist was going to try to kill me for exercising my first amendment,” Ritzheimer says in a video post he made on social media.

ABC15 asked for proof he was being hacked and he sent us a link showing his private information exposed in shocking detail, including: his full name, date of birth, social security number, mother’s maiden name, IP addresses, credit card numbers, you name it.

At the end of the link, there’s even a message which says in part, quote: “Jon you are the exactly what’s wrong with America. You call yourself a patriot. Freedom and liberty for all, unless you are a Muslim of course.”

The message goes on to say, quote: “You are the true terrorist not the people you rally against. Please go die slowly in a dark hole alone.”

Ritzheimer says, “I hate seeing my family going through this distress, it’s killing them. They just want their normal lives back.”

He also claims someone fraudulently charged $3,000 to his credit card. The Peoria Police Department says he has filed a fraud report and the investigation is still pending.
abc15.com

You can call me a prick, but frankly I find it hard to feel sorry for him.

490 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 9:29:51am

re: #489 Dr. Matt

PHOENIX - Ever since Friday’s “Freedom of Speech Rally” outside a Phoenix mosque, its controversial organizer says hackers have ruined his life.

He called it a “Freedom of Speech Rally.” But, many counter-protestors say it was protest against all Muslims and Islam. John Ritzheimer admits this whole thing blew up in his face and he was ill-prepared for what happened outside the mosque.

“I went there that night with a gun on my hip, fully thinking I was going to die, that a terrorist was going to try to kill me for exercising my first amendment,” Ritzheimer says in a video post he made on social media.

ABC15 asked for proof he was being hacked and he sent us a link showing his private information exposed in shocking detail, including: his full name, date of birth, social security number, mother’s maiden name, IP addresses, credit card numbers, you name it.

At the end of the link, there’s even a message which says in part, quote: “Jon you are the exactly what’s wrong with America. You call yourself a patriot. Freedom and liberty for all, unless you are a Muslim of course.”

The message goes on to say, quote: “You are the true terrorist not the people you rally against. Please go die slowly in a dark hole alone.”

Ritzheimer says, “I hate seeing my family going through this distress, it’s killing them. They just want their normal lives back.”

He also claims someone fraudulently charged $3,000 to his credit card. The Peoria Police Department says he has filed a fraud report and the investigation is still pending.
abc15.com

You can call me a prick, but frankly I find it hard to feel sorry for him.

I have no problem feeling zero sympathy for him. I call bullshit big time that he felt he was going to be killed by Muslim terrorists. Big time bullshit and he talks about how he was exercising his first amendment rights. ASshole, you were trying to deny those Muslims their first amendment rights. No sympathy for this guy. I hope his children marry Muslims and he has Muslim in laws and grandchildren.

491 ObserverArt  Jun 3, 2015 9:30:03am

re: #461 Lidane

The new Florence and the Machine album is brilliant. I’m in love all over again.

I love her/them.

I wonder if Klys follows them at all. They use harp in some of their tunes. Actually they use many different instruments for a rock band.

Saw her on the Jools Holland show a few weeks back. She was seated on a stool and singing. I guess she busted up her foot.

492 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 9:30:38am

re: #487 Lidane

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They’re legitimately awful people as are the politicians and media that make excuses for them.

493 b_sharp  Jun 3, 2015 9:31:22am

re: #482 Nyet

:)
Just a custom test. I did well, but it wasn’t the usual IQ score.

I was tested several times through elementary and high school because they couldn’t figure out why my marks weren’t higher. They even did sight/hearing tests.

They should have just asked me why.

494 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 3, 2015 9:32:10am

re: #489 Dr. Matt

“I went there that night with a gun on my hip, fully thinking I was going to die, that a terrorist was going to try to kill me for exercising my first amendment,”

OFFS

Can’t you see I’m the real victim here!?!??!

495 allegro  Jun 3, 2015 9:32:44am

re: #489 Dr. Matt

PHOENIX - Ever since Friday’s “Freedom of Speech Rally” outside a Phoenix mosque, its controversial organizer says hackers have ruined his life.

He called it a “Freedom of Speech Rally.” But, many counter-protestors say it was protest against all Muslims and Islam. John Ritzheimer admits this whole thing blew up in his face and he was ill-prepared for what happened outside the mosque.

“I went there that night with a gun on my hip, fully thinking I was going to die, that a terrorist was going to try to kill me for exercising my first amendment,” Ritzheimer says in a video post he made on social media.

ABC15 asked for proof he was being hacked and he sent us a link showing his private information exposed in shocking detail, including: his full name, date of birth, social security number, mother’s maiden name, IP addresses, credit card numbers, you name it.

At the end of the link, there’s even a message which says in part, quote: “Jon you are the exactly what’s wrong with America. You call yourself a patriot. Freedom and liberty for all, unless you are a Muslim of course.”

The message goes on to say, quote: “You are the true terrorist not the people you rally against. Please go die slowly in a dark hole alone.”

Ritzheimer says, “I hate seeing my family going through this distress, it’s killing them. They just want their normal lives back.”

He also claims someone fraudulently charged $3,000 to his credit card. The Peoria Police Department says he has filed a fraud report and the investigation is still pending.
abc15.com

You can call me a prick, but frankly I find it hard to feel sorry for him.

He went there with his gun fully expecting to kill some evil doers. That was his whole point, to provoke and draw blood. Fuck him.

496 Ace-o-aces  Jun 3, 2015 9:33:17am

re: #489 Dr. Matt

Ritzheimer says, “I hate seeing my family going through this distress, it’s killing them. They just want their normal lives back.”

Yeah, I can’t imagine what it’s like to have your family terrorized like that. I mean it must be like - I don’t know - going to your local place of worship with your family only to find it surrounded by a gang of heavily armed neo-Nazis. Now that would be stressful, wouldn’t it.

497 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 9:33:28am

re: #494 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

OFFS

It’s even more pathetic when you see that the imam has been welcoming. This dipshit knows he lost the PR battle so he has to try to make himself out to be a martyr.

498 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 9:34:33am

re: #496 Ace-o-aces

Yeah, I can’t imagine what it’s like to have your family terrorized like that. I mean it must be like - I don’t know - going to your local place of worship with your family only to find it surrounded by a gang of heavily armed neo-Nazis. Now that would be stressful, wouldn’t it.

No kidding. Self awareness he has none.

499 Kid A  Jun 3, 2015 9:34:58am

Question: I have a friend that was diagnosed with some rare form of bone cancer in his spine. He’s 40. The tumor is about the size of an apple, and he’s been in chemo the last three months to reduce the size, then he’ll go into surgery in a month to get the rest of it out. He has insurance but we’re having a fundraiser for him this Sunday. My question is doesn’t the ACA prevent his insurance company from capping their payment amount? Another friend said that our friend is trying some kind of experimental technique and the insurance company is not obligated to cover it. So, for the most part, isn’t the ACA a good thing for my friend as far as the majority of the cost of the treatment? Sorry so long, but I have a lot of questions about it. Any help is appreciated!

Thank you!

500 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 9:35:39am

re: #487 Lidane

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This isn’t a family, it’s a cult. There’s no other way to explain how you can have your five year old daughter telling you her eldest brother, the one expected to watch over and protect her, is fondling her in the middle of the night and your response is bury the whole mess.

501 ObserverArt  Jun 3, 2015 9:36:23am

re: #495 allegro

You can call me a prick, but frankly I find it hard to feel sorry for him.

He went there with his gun fully expecting to kill some evil doers. That was his whole point, to provoke and draw blood. Fuck him.

When did the first amendment go from freedom of speech to freedom to be a complete mouthy asshole without a brain in public without repercussion?

I must’a’ missed that.

502 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 9:36:23am

re: #500 Targetpractice

This isn’t a family, it’s a cult. There’s no other way to explain how you can have your five year old daughter telling you her eldest brother, the one expected to watch over and protect her, is fondling her in the middle of the night and your response is bury the whole mess.

They’re scum.

503 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 9:37:19am

re: #501 ObserverArt

When did the first amendment go from freedom of speech to freedom to be a complete mouthy asshole without a brain in public without repercussion?

I must’a’ missed that.

I also missed where the first amendment gave you the right to threaten other people exercising their first amendment rights. Yes fucknuts, Muslims have first amendment rights too. Shocker I know.

504 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2015 9:37:21am

Retizheimer’s FB posts are all about how he’s the victim and that no news outlets will interview him anymore. He hates Anderson Cooper. His identity has been stolen by hackers. 3% stuff. And there’s a couple videos of him shirtless showing off a huge flag tattoo on his chest.

Leave me alone! Why won’t anybody interview me??!!??

505 goddamnedfrank  Jun 3, 2015 9:37:27am

re: #475 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL. “I’m extremely malnutritioned myself.” Talking shirtless into laptop so everyone can see his raggedy flag tattoo with “hard knock life” banner.

“The media is the reasons for all this.”

“I went there that night with a gun on my hip fully thinking that I was going to die, that a terrorist was going to try to kill me, for exercising my First Amendment.”

“I fully, fully expected I was going to die that night.”

“I’m taking cover right now during a verbal firefight.”

“I’m really pissed off at our government for letting this shit happen.”

facebook.com

506 b_sharp  Jun 3, 2015 9:37:33am

re: #499 Kid A

Question: I have a friend that was diagnosed with some rare form of bone cancer in his spine. He’s 40. The tumor is about the size of an apple, and he’s been in chemo the last three months to reduce the size, then he’ll go into surgery in a month to get the rest of it out. He has insurance but we’re having a fundraiser for him this Sunday. My question is doesn’t the ACA prevent his insurance company from capping their payment amount? Another friend said that our friend is trying some kind of experimental technique and the insurance company is not obligated to cover it. So, for the most part, isn’t the ACA a good thing for my friend as far as the majority of the cost of the treatment? Sorry so long, but I have a lot of questions about it. Any help is appreciated!

Thank you!

Sorry, I can’t help you, but someone here should know something.

507 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 3, 2015 9:38:14am

Scott Walker finds even trivial little things to be a douche about.

508 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 9:38:46am

What’s disturbing to me is as much of the country does appear to be growing more progressive, we seem to like Europe be developing a much nastier far and more prominent far right. Now the far right has always been there. The KKK goes back to the 1860’s but it’s the mainstreaming of the far right that disturbs me. In this very state Arizona, the senate majority leader was allied with a Neo-Nazi, Ready.

509 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 9:40:11am

re: #507 Lord Of The Pies

Scott Walker finds even trivial little things to be a douche about.

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He better watch out for WW then. Seriously bikes? What a wanker this guy is.

510 goddamnedfrank  Jun 3, 2015 9:40:17am

I’mma just go ahead and presume that Jon Ritzheimer has done a lot of meth.

511 Dave In Austin  Jun 3, 2015 9:40:36am
512 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 3, 2015 9:40:56am

LOL Bryan gets pwn3d.
I’m pretty sure this is another spoof site like NationalReport.

513 ObserverArt  Jun 3, 2015 9:41:09am

As far as IQ…I think I was tested right before entering first grade in Catholic school. I think my mom asked “how’d he do” and the answer was “he’s maybe too smart for his own good.”

: )

514 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 3, 2015 9:41:38am

re: #505 goddamnedfrank

“I fully, fully expected I was going to die that night.”

“I mean, it was just me and my buddies, and our guns, and these Muslims quietly worshiping in their mosque.”

/

515 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 3, 2015 9:42:14am

re: #512 Lord Of The Pies

LOL Bryan gets pwn3d.
I’m pretty sure this is another spoof site like NationalReport.

Bryan J Fischer is a very serious person.

/

516 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 3, 2015 9:42:49am

re: #512 Lord Of The Pies

LOL Bryan gets pwn3d.
I’m pretty sure this is another spoof site like NationalReport.

WHY WONT THE MEDIA ADDRESS THIS????

517 lawhawk  Jun 3, 2015 9:43:13am

re: #499 Kid A

Sorry to hear about your friend’s diagnosis. I wish him luck with the treatments.

The ACA eliminates lifetime caps on treatment so that an insurer can’t limit total treatments to X dollars (like say $500,000 for lifetime cancer treatments so that if there’s a reoccurrence or new cancer, that the person wont run up against the limit and then be forced into out-of-pocket payments).

Insurers aren’t obligated to cover experimental treatments, and they may have a preferred treatment that they cover in its place (if there is one). Sometimes, you’ll be able to negotiate with the insurer to get part/all of the treatment covered by insurance, and that would likely involve having the oncologists showing how this treatment would be successful where others would not - running the cost/benefits, or that this would end up being less costly in the long run, etc.

At the same time, the fundraiser would likely help with the portions not covered by insurance, or where you are going to an in-network hospital, but the anesthesiologist is out-of-network and for who you never identified before surgery b/c they are picked based on availability and the bills rack up on those expenses that you’re not aware of.

518 goddamnedfrank  Jun 3, 2015 9:43:14am

re: #514 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

“I mean, it was just me and my buddies, and our guns, and these Muslims quietly worshiping in their mosque.”

/

Islam comes with laser vision.

519 Dr. Matt  Jun 3, 2015 9:43:59am

re: #504 Backwoods_Sleuth

Retizheimer’s FB posts are all about how he’s the victim and that no news outlets will interview him anymore. He hates Anderson Cooper. His identity has been stolen by hackers. 3% stuff. And there’s a couple videos of him shirtless showing off a huge flag tattoo on his chest.

Awwwwww, poor whiddle baby. Here’s my sympathetic response to Retizheimer:

520 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 9:44:39am

re: #512 Lord Of The Pies

LOL Bryan gets pwn3d.
I’m pretty sure this is another spoof site like NationalReport.

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Based out of Tel Aviv. Possibly an Israeli National Enquirer or something like that? I’d honestly be shocked if Hillary even knew Yoko in the 70’s. Fischer I think just got hard thinking about Yoko and Hillary going at it so he ran with it without giving it any actual thought.

521 goddamnedfrank  Jun 3, 2015 9:44:59am

Also, sometimes muslims will join together like Voltron and form giant gestalt robot muslims. They’re crafty like that.

522 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 3, 2015 9:45:07am

I’ve discovered Facebook’s “follow” button, which can be clicked to “unfollow” a “friend’s” updates. That button’s getting quite a workout these days.

Yeah, I know, I should just either get off FB or defriend most of my “friends”. But for now, this gives me some relief.

523 Dr. Matt  Jun 3, 2015 9:45:49am

re: #512 Lord Of The Pies

LOL Bryan gets pwn3d.
I’m pretty sure this is another spoof site like NationalReport.

WOMAN FALLS PREGNANT AFTER CAVITY SEARCH, BLAMES ‘DIRTY GLOVES’

Naw. Seems legit.

524 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 9:46:24am

realorsatire.com
Here you go VB. I doubt Fischer will respond to you directly but if some other fuckstickles try to push it as legitimate. You were close, it is like Freewood post but more like a traditional tabloid.

525 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 9:47:08am

re: #523 Dr. Matt

WOMAN FALLS PREGNANT AFTER CAVITY SEARCH, BLAMES ‘DIRTY GLOVES’

Naw. Seems legit.

Or the one where the black Canadian journalist claims to be Prince William’s father and the one where evidence of the first gay couple was found at Sodom and Gommorah.

526 Iwouldprefernotto  Jun 3, 2015 9:51:17am

re: #512 Lord Of The Pies

LOL Bryan gets pwn3d.
I’m pretty sure this is another spoof site like NationalReport.

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Perhaps it was Hillary that broke up the beatles.

527 Decatur Deb  Jun 3, 2015 9:52:54am

re: #440 bubba zanetti

Talking about IQ tests reminds me of something that happened to me in 6th grade. We had these math worksheets we would do in class. They were word problems based on some sort of theme. We would grade each others work and then the teacher would call out our names to get our scores.

I was very good at math and would almost always get 100%. But then one day we got a worksheet where the theme was football. I’m a first generation American and I grew up playing soccer. I had a little exposure to football playing with friends at recess, but since we didn’t have a proper goalpost unbeknownst to me we skipped the extra point kick. To me a touchdown was 7 points.

So the worksheet had a bunch of questions like “Jimmy James ran 3 touchdowns in the first quarter and 1 touchdown in the fourth. How many points did Jimmy score”. My answer was 28, when they were looking for 24. There wasn’t anything in the directions that explained what the points were worth. Naturally, I bombed the test. When I told the teacher my score (probably fighting back tears) the whole class gasped in astonishment.

That forever changed my perspective on test scores.

The bias went the other way for me. The edition of the GRE I took had a reading comprehension/reasoning section. The test builders wanted an obscure block of text they could be sure was equally unfamiliar to all sorts of students, so they picked one from the weird little corner of Anthropology I had specialized in. Sometimes you win.

528 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 9:53:40am

re: #526 Iwouldprefernotto

Perhaps it was Hillary that broke up the beatles.

I would think that Fischer would be happy about that given I bet he still looks for Beatles albums to burn over John’s Jesus comment.

529 Dr. Matt  Jun 3, 2015 9:54:17am

It has returned.

530 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 9:55:22am

re: #529 Dr. Matt

It has returned.

Someone call the wahhhhhhbulance for that one.

531 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 9:56:03am

literallyunbelievable.org
This is a fun site if you like seeing people on Facebook especially take Onion and ClickHole articles as legit. There’s even Anderson Cooper falling for one.

532 Kid A  Jun 3, 2015 9:58:13am

re: #529 Dr. Matt

Jourmalism?

533 Eventual Carrion  Jun 3, 2015 9:59:20am

re: #189 Lord Of The Pies

Welp, somebody doesn’t like me==>

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What are you wearing “Jake”?

534 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 10:00:01am

The difference is the people here who proved that photo was bs actually proved bs. Chuck’s idea of journalism is releasing the names of victims of crimes and telling his friends to harass them. The first one is actually journalistic in nature and it would be nice if the media actually did more of it, the second one is cyberbullying.

535 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 3, 2015 10:01:23am

re: #464 Lord Of The Pies

How did he get into the terminal and it wasn’t locked down and flights cancelled and connecting flights fucked up all over the world?

From the picture it looks like he is in the outer terminal where the security is minimal, often just local police. Just ticket counters and baggage claim.

Not like an attack there wouldn’t get a lot of victims anyways.

536 Dr. Matt  Jun 3, 2015 10:01:24am

re: #529 Dr. Matt

It has returned.

Looks like Charles zapped it.

537 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 10:03:45am

re: #536 Dr. Matt

Looks like Charles zapped it.

Thought I smelled something burning.

538 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 3, 2015 10:04:14am

re: #535 Feline Fearless Leader

From the picture it looks like he is in the outer terminal where the security is minimal, often just local police. Just ticket counters and baggage claim.

Not like an attack there wouldn’t get a lot of victims anyways.

If somebody wanted to attack with a high body count, they could just open fire where people are all bunched up at the TSA line.

I also remember a terrorist attack in Tel Aviv in 1972 at the baggage claim.

539 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 3, 2015 10:04:27am

re: #536 Dr. Matt

Looks like Charles zapped it.

Like a bug hitting a light.

540 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 3, 2015 10:06:18am

re: #488 Nyet

I am beginning to wonder if you’d see some of the same categorization errors if you started asking RWNJs about minorities and immigrants.

Is it possible that they don’t even realize it’s wrong?

541 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2015 10:07:09am

heh:

542 Ace-o-aces  Jun 3, 2015 10:07:33am

re: #504 Backwoods_Sleuth

Retizheimer’s FB posts are all about how he’s the victim and that no news outlets will interview him anymore. He hates Anderson Cooper. His identity has been stolen by hackers. 3% stuff. And there’s a couple videos of him shirtless showing off a huge flag tattoo on his chest.

Check out that tat….

543 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 10:11:21am

re: #542 Ace-o-aces

Check out that tat….

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His tattoo artist said the lyrics from “Tomorrow” wouldn’t look good inked.

544 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2015 10:11:47am

re: #542 Ace-o-aces

heh, from Wonkette about those social media threats he got:

Now, are those real threats? Thanks to the Supreme Court, there’s just no telling! Oh, you’re not a woman being threatened by her ex? Then yeah, they’re probably real threats.

545 Ace-o-aces  Jun 3, 2015 10:15:44am

From the GOPs favorite stenographer…

546 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2015 10:16:52am

Those crazy kids today:

547 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 10:17:58am

re: #545 Ace-o-aces

From the GOPs favorite stenographer…

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Presidents generally enjoy some boost in approval the longer they’re out of office and the more their “legacy” plays out. You have to be a pretty rotten bastard (I’m looking at you, Tricky Dick) to have your reputation only get worse as time goes on.

548 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 10:18:10am

re: #545 Ace-o-aces

From the GOPs favorite stenographer…

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This is terrible news for when George W. Bush runs against Barack Obama then. Oh wait. Seriously, what’s Rubin’s point supposed to be/ I didn’t see conservatives caring that Clinton’s approval rating was better than Bush’s for much of Bush’s time in office. Jen is just desperate.

549 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 10:18:20am

re: #546 Backwoods_Sleuth

Those crazy kids today:

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“Youthful indiscretion.”

550 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 10:19:04am

re: #547 Targetpractice

Presidents generally enjoy some boost in approval the longer they’re out of office and the more their “legacy” plays out. You have to be a pretty rotten bastard (I’m looking at you, Tricky Dick) to have your reputation only get worse as time goes on.

Hell though TP even Tricky Dick’s legacy got better in the 80’s some since he was able to position himself as a “respected statesman” type.

551 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 10:19:34am

re: #549 Targetpractice

“Youthful indiscretion.”

Only if he’s a Republican policymaker in 30 years.

552 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 10:22:27am

re: #550 HappyWarrior

Hell though TP even Tricky Dick’s legacy got better in the 80’s some since he was able to position himself as a “respected statesman” type.

True, though his reputation has cratered in recent years. I’m not sure there’s any way to revive it after the revelation in recent months that he was in fact working to kill the Paris Peace Talks in order to deny LBJ a very-much needed peace agreement in order to get the war off people’s minds.

553 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 10:22:53am
554 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 10:25:50am

re: #552 Targetpractice

True, though his reputation has cratered in recent years. I’m not sure there’s any way to revive it after the revelation in recent months that he was in fact working to kill the Paris Peace Talks in order to deny LBJ a very-much needed peace agreement in order to get the war off people’s minds.

The tapes hurt too. They show him to be an even bigger asshole than thought.

555 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 10:27:06am

W Bush had Truman after firing MacArthur levels of unpopularity and the right and Rubin I’m sure tried to rationalize it. It’s not a popularity contest and Jen ignores that many Americans disapprove of everything Obama does and they make up the GOP base.

556 piratedan  Jun 3, 2015 10:27:54am

re: #121 freetoken

I’m sure that they were equally outraged about the release of info about Trayvon Martin, Martin Brown and Tamir Rice…..

557 Romantic Heretic  Jun 3, 2015 10:28:19am

re: #441 Lord Of The Pies

But Tammy Duckworth is a “libtard” to them

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I wonder if they posted that picture with his permission? Somehow, I doubt it.

558 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 3, 2015 10:30:03am

re: #548 HappyWarrior

This is terrible news for when George W. Bush runs against Barack Obama then. Oh wait. Seriously, what’s Rubin’s point supposed to be/ I didn’t see conservatives caring that Clinton’s approval rating was better than Bush’s for much of Bush’s time in office. Jen is just desperate.

JRubin—Another person I’d almost happily forgotten about.

559 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 10:35:03am
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560 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 10:36:58am

re: #558 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

JRubin—Another person I’d almost happily forgotten about.

Yeah I had too. I stopped reading the WaPo’s op-eds a long time ago.

561 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2015 10:40:46am

re: #559 HappyWarrior

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562 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 10:46:22am

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563 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 10:47:42am

re: #561 Backwoods_Sleuth

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564 Romantic Heretic  Jun 3, 2015 10:56:00am

re: #462 Dr. Matt

Asked why he carried the weapon, pausing to pose with it for a picture he later posted to his Facebook page, Cooley explained, “It shouldn’t matter what I carry, just that I choose to carry. You never know where something might happen.”

I simply cannot fathom being so frightened of your fellow citizens every minute of every day for the extent of your life.

Now I’m envisioning me walking by him in the airport and saying, “I’m so sorry about the size of your penis.”

565 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 10:57:11am

re: #564 Romantic Heretic

I simply cannot fathom being so frightened of your fellow citizens every minute of every day for the extent of your life.

I know right? That you would need that kind of weapon to pick up groceries? As I said they think they’re tough but they actually come off as wusses to me. Far more cowardly than those of us who don’t have such weapons or feel the need to bring such weapons everywhere.

566 Romantic Heretic  Jun 3, 2015 11:08:42am

re: #484 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

A well regulated militia, indeed…

Made me think of this bit by Confucius.

To put the world in order, we must first put the nation in order; to put the nation in order, we must first put the family in order; to put the family in order; we must first cultivate our personal life; we must first set our hearts right.

The guy with the gun does not have his heart set right.

567 Eventual Carrion  Jun 3, 2015 11:38:51am

re: #523 Dr. Matt

WOMAN FALLS PREGNANT AFTER CAVITY SEARCH, BLAMES ‘DIRTY GLOVES’

Naw. Seems legit.

SHe was probably sitting on a toilet at the time.

568 CleverToad  Jun 3, 2015 6:27:31pm

re: #318 ObserverArt

Very belated thanks to everyone who’s adding PhotoShop tips! I’m favoriting all these comments to be able to go back to ‘em.


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