The Josh Duggar Scandal Gets Worse; One of His Victims Was a 5-Year Old Girl

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Entertainment journal In Touch has obtained a sheriff’s report with new, even more awful details about the child molestation allegedly committed by Josh Duggar.

Josh DuggarJosh Duggar confessed to his father Jim Bob Duggar on THREE separate occasions to multiple acts of sexual molestation against his sisters and a family friend, according to a new police report obtained exclusively by In Touch magazine.

The document also makes clear that Josh was 15 years old when he molested his 5-year-old sister and committed at least SEVEN acts of sexual molestation.

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1 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 1:00:01pm

Josh Duggar: Molests five year old sister and still continues to liken homosexuality to child abuse. There’s a word for that and that is evil.

2 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 1:01:32pm

Yeah, I know every parent has an instinct to protect their child, but I still would have had to fight awful hard not to geld the little shit the first time I found out. Especially if it came from my own daughter.

3 lawhawk  Jun 3, 2015 1:03:10pm

re: #2 Targetpractice

Yeah, I know every parent has an instinct to protect their child, but I still would have had to fight awful hard not to geld the little shit the first time I found out. Especially if it came from my own daughter.

Protect their son. That’s what they did. What happens to their daughters didn’t even enter into the discussion apparently. They were too busy covering the sex abuse up to do anything right by their daughters (all of them).

4 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 1:03:22pm

re: #2 Targetpractice

Yeah, I know every parent has an instinct to protect their child, but I still would have had to fight awful hard not to geld the little shit the first time I found out. Especially if it came from my own daughter.

especially one that young. The thing is Jim Bob Duggar certainly talked tough about child abusers as an elected official. He even said they should be executed but it’s awfully interesting how he doesn’t even report his own son to the police? I mean he and Michelle failed those girls so much on so many levels.

5 mr.fusion  Jun 3, 2015 1:04:07pm

I blame teh ghey marriages

6 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 1:04:34pm

re: #3 lawhawk

Protect their son. That’s what they did. What happens to their daughters didn’t even enter into the discussion apparently. They were too busy covering the sex abuse up to do anything right by their daughters (all of them).

And that is the real horror here. That they chose coddling their son over helping their daughters recover from what had to be a very difficult event. But Jim Bob and Michelle decided it was more important to continue making babies, become reality TV stars, etc than actual be parents.

7 Kragar  Jun 3, 2015 1:04:47pm

Awaiting more wingnuts to rant “By law, those reports should never have been leaked!”

Because by law, the Duggars should have been investigated by Child services and the kids placed in foster care.

8 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 1:06:07pm

I’m wondering if those daughters, all adults now, are anywhere near coming to grips with what their brother did, and the terrible way they were raised?

All of them should be in therapy, away from this terrible family.

9 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 3, 2015 1:06:22pm

re: #1 HappyWarrior

Josh Duggar: Molests five year old sister and still continues to liken homosexuality to child abuse. There’s a word for that and that is evil.

The patriarchs are only answerable to God himself. And I am sure Josh prayed and the little voice in his head told him that everything was alright and he was forgiven.

(Not that we’re going to see a Beckert-class* monologue.)

* - Peter Lorre’s character in the 1931 movie “M”. I’m sure it’s on YouTube with just that part, though the whole movie is very good.

10 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2015 1:06:25pm

With all the crying about how the Duggars (read: Jim Bob and his wife and Josh) are the victims here, the real victims continue to go unnoticed: those girls, who likely never got any kind of counseling to deal with what happened to them, who were likely told it was their fault, and who had to continue to live in the family home with the person who molested them.

You know the decision was made that they couldn’t get treatment outside the home because any medical or mental health professional would have been compelled to report this.

I have no words to express my disgust with these so-called “parents” and the people who continue to support them.

11 freetoken  Jun 3, 2015 1:06:31pm

So, will Megyn Kelly tonight tell us that the really big scandal is how these sheriff reports were “leaked” to the public?

12 piratedan  Jun 3, 2015 1:07:00pm

circle the wagons time for the RW Media Circus…. I expect the amount of poo flung at this is going to be epic in order to distract from the real issue here is that we had a teenager molesting his sisters and the family not only suppressed it; they apparently didn’t do anything for any of the kids to deal with it. They simply prayed it away…..

13 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2015 1:07:07pm

re: #8 Justanotherhuman

I’m wondering if those daughters, all adults now, are anywhere near coming to grips with what their brother did, and the terrible way they were raised?

All of them should be in therapy, away from this terrible family.

The one that was five years old is still a minor.

14 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 1:07:12pm

This report also makes all the “sexual discovery” BS all the more glaring. Once might have been “discovery,” but SEVEN TIMES is impossible to argue as anything other than a kid in very real need of a sit down with a psychologist and a cop, in that order. That he had the balls to then sue the state years later because they investigated the matter tells me he learned absolutely nothing from the episode other than the necessity of keeping such shit behind closed doors.

I really would advise his Stepford wife to wake up and consider getting a divorce, because there’s no telling what he’s doing with the kids when she’s not around.

15 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 1:07:23pm

re: #8 Justanotherhuman

I’m wondering if those daughters, all adults now, are anywhere near coming to grips with what their brother did, and the terrible way they were raised?

All of them should be in therapy, away from this terrible family.

One is still under 18.

16 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 3, 2015 1:07:29pm

re: #11 freetoken

So, will Megyn Kelly tonight tell us that the really big scandal is how these sheriff reports were “leaked” to the public?

I expect that will be the main deflection point used to portray themselves and Josh as the victims of a liberal witch hunt.

17 mr.fusion  Jun 3, 2015 1:07:52pm

I don’t know all the details here, but these people should lose custody of all of the kids under the age of 18 right?

18 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 1:08:11pm

re: #10 klys (maker of Silmarils)

With all the crying about how the Duggars (read: Jim Bob and his wife and Josh) are the victims here, the real victims continue to go unnoticed: those girls, who likely never got any kind of counseling to deal with what happened to them, who were likely told it was their fault, and who had to continue to live in the family home with the person who molested them.

You know the decision was made that they couldn’t get treatment outside the home because any medical or mental health professional would have been compelled to report this.

I have no words to express my disgust with these so-called “parents” and the people who continue to support them.

Cheers, said it better than I did. Thakns Klys.

19 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 1:08:54pm

re: #16 Feline Fearless Leader

I expect that will be the main deflection point used to portray themselves and Josh as the victims of a liberal witch hunt.

Right wing SOP. When you fuck up, blame the left and claim God forgives you.

20 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2015 1:09:09pm

re: #18 HappyWarrior

Cheers, said it better than I did. Thakns Klys.

I just wish expressing this wasn’t necessary because those “parents” had done the right thing in the first place.

Fuck.

21 sizzzzlerz  Jun 3, 2015 1:09:12pm

Okey-dokey Huckster, the ball is back in your court. Tell us again why you still support this pervert and his creepy family.

22 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 1:09:30pm

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

The one that was five years old is still a minor.

Wasn’t that in 2003? She’ll be 18 in Oct, old enough to understand and leave if she choses to do so.

But those kids have been terribly brainwashed, esp the girls.

23 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 1:10:12pm

re: #20 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I just wish expressing this wasn’t necessary because those “parents” had done the right thing in the first place.

Fuck.

I know. It’s disgusting. They ruined any chance of their daughters being able to recover from this by covering it up.

24 Mike Lamb  Jun 3, 2015 1:10:20pm

re: #5 mr.fusion

I blame teh ghey marriages

No…Caitlynn Jenner.

25 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 3, 2015 1:10:32pm

re: #16 Feline Fearless Leader

I expect that will be the main deflection point used to portray themselves and Josh as the victims of a liberal witch hunt.

Liberals are the perverts for making a big deal out Josh’s numerous explorations. Leave that fine, Christian family aloooooone!

26 Nyet  Jun 3, 2015 1:11:09pm

AND WHY DON’T YOU LEAVE THE TRUE CHRISTIAN JOSH DUGGAR ALONE!! :~~~~~(((

27 sizzzzlerz  Jun 3, 2015 1:11:10pm

re: #24 Mike Lamb

No…Caitlynn Jenner.

Oh, let’s cut to the chase. It’s Obama’s fault.

28 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 1:11:43pm

re: #25 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Liberals are the perverts for making a big deal out Josh’s numerous explorations. Leave that fine, Christian family aloooooone!

what I expect is some false equivalencies to happen. BUT LIBERALS TOLERANT GAY SEX AND CAITLYN JENNER, HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT.

29 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2015 1:12:26pm

re: #23 HappyWarrior

I know. It’s disgusting. They ruined any chance of their daughters being able to recover from this by covering it up.

I’m willing to believe that the girls could still recover, but if they do it will be in spite of what their “parents” did, not because of it.

It would probably also help to get out of that cult as well.

30 Mike Lamb  Jun 3, 2015 1:12:27pm

re: #11 freetoken

So, will Megyn Kelly tonight tell us that the really big scandal is how these sheriff reports were “leaked” to the public?

Rhetorical, no?

31 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 1:13:48pm

re: #29 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m willing to believe that the girls could still recover, but if they do it will be in spite of what their “parents” did, not because of it.

It would probably also help to get out of that cult as well.

For sure. IF they’re going to recover, it will be in spite of their shitty parents not because of them and yeah leaving the family will help but unfortunately I don’t see that happening.

32 Boss Bosch  Jun 3, 2015 1:13:57pm

The Duggars do represent ‘fundamentalist family values’, and fundamentalist propaganda over time has actually promoted behavior exactly paralleling that of the Duggars as appropriate and holy. Check out this Chick tract (trigger warnings apply):
scans-daily.dreamwidth.org

In a better world, Mike Huckabee’s remarks defending Josh Duggar after this story broke would have instantly discredited his candidacy and forced his withdrawal from the race. Instead he’s either tied for 1st or polling only 2-3% behind the 1st place candidate (depending on which poll you look at).

33 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 1:14:07pm

Really, the entire wingnut response to this could be summed up pretty simply: “Stop making us look bad for being associated with these creeps!” That was most of Megyn’s whine yesterday, when she wasn’t partaking in the idea that the real villains of this story are those who leaked the records, it’s that “liberals” are being so mean by bringing up all the instances of Republicans and conservative bigwigs posing for pics with Josh. She and the rest of the Brain-Dead Brigade want people to believe that Josh was just some random guy that these fine, upstanding conservatives happened to pose for a picture with, just like any other supporter they’d get a picture with. That there are pictures of him with so many conservatives doesn’t mean it’s anything but pure coincidence, so stop being so mean to the Duggars!!!

34 makeitstop  Jun 3, 2015 1:14:24pm

re: #19 HappyWarrior

Right wing SOP. When you fuck up, blame the left and claim God forgives you.

I posted on Facebook about this whole tawdry saga when the news first broke, and my wingnut sister immediately came at me with ‘Why are you bashing Christians?’ and ‘What’s up with the hate speech?’

My love for my sister helped me hold my tongue, but others on the thread had no problem calling her a fucking idiot - an assessment, sadly, with which I agree to a point.

35 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 1:15:23pm

re: #34 makeitstop

I posted on Facebook about this whole tawdry saga when the news first broke, and my wingnut sister immediately came at me with ‘Why are you bashing Christians?’ and ‘What’s up with the hate speech?’

My love for my sister helped me hold my tongue, but others on the thread had no problem calling her a fucking idiot - an assessment, sadly, with which I agree to a point.

Frustrating. Really, it’s not “hate speech” or “bashing Christians” to talk abuot this.

36 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 3, 2015 1:15:30pm

re: #34 makeitstop

I posted on Facebook about this whole tawdry saga when the news first broke, and my wingnut sister immediately came at me with ‘Why are you bashing Christians?’ and ‘What’s up with the hate speech?’

My love for my sister helped me hold my tongue, but others on the thread had no problem calling her a fucking idiot - an assessment, sadly, with which I agree to a point.

Some Christians have this thing where they think they’re allowed to criticize everyone else and no one is allowed to criticize them or those they admire.

37 goddamnedfrank  Jun 3, 2015 1:16:25pm

re: #14 Targetpractice

This report also makes all the “sexual discovery” BS all the more glaring.

It’s a rather predictable result stemming from their church’s doctrine on strict gender roles and the total lack of sex education the kids received. The Duggar’s put Josh in charge of the supervising his younger siblings, and taught them all that women are essentially passive chattel in God’s order, subservient to the needs of intrinsically lustful men. What the fuck did they think was going to happen?

38 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 1:16:29pm

Hell we see excuses here for the Republican politicians that associate with them from time to time. And yes I know those politicians didn’t know about the child abuse that happened but they were aware about how the Duggars view women which is definitely part of what led to the abuse in the first place.

39 darthstar  Jun 3, 2015 1:16:52pm

Fuck the Duggar parents for not protecting their daughters from a known predator. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that Jim Bob also “diddled” his daughters…fucking hypocrites.

40 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 1:17:02pm

Bears repeating but when you spend more time creating kids than actually raising children, you’re a shitty parent.

41 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2015 1:17:25pm

re: #36 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Some Christians have this thing where they think they’re allowed to criticize everyone else and no one is allowed to criticize them or those they admire.

I think that’s a trait exhibited by a wide range of humans, some of whom happen to be Christian.

I will grant that the right wing media is very happy to cater to their beliefs on this score, which is not helping matters.

42 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 1:17:31pm

re: #39 darthstar

Fuck the Duggar parents for not protecting their daughters from a known predator. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that Jim Bob also “diddled” his daughters…fucking hypocrites.

I would sadly expect that at this point given their cop friend and the “counselor” they sent Josh to.

43 freetoken  Jun 3, 2015 1:17:44pm

From the little tidbits released as a teaser, it looks like Kelly’s report tonight will be about getting sympathy for the Duggars.

44 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 1:18:23pm

re: #36 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Some Christians have this thing where they think they’re allowed to criticize everyone else and no one is allowed to criticize them or those they admire.

That’s a human characteristic as Klys says but what makes it worse is you have the right wing media echoing it time and time again.

45 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 1:19:09pm

re: #43 freetoken

From the little tidbits released as a teaser, it looks like Kelly’s report tonight will be about getting sympathy for the Duggars.

The only Duggars I have sympathy for are the girls that were molested. Jim Bob and Michelle and Josh? I have more sympathy for the viruses that my white blood cells kill. Hy[erbole obviously but what I obviously mean is Jim Bob, Michelle, and Josh don’t deserve anyone’s sympathy.

46 b.d.  Jun 3, 2015 1:20:35pm

re: #11 freetoken

So, will Megyn Kelly tonight tell us that the really big scandal is how these sheriff reports were “leaked” to the public?

I assume this story was released when it was with the fluff FoxNews “interview” in mind.

Sadly, I am afraid there will be another story that comes out later which will contradicts things that Duggar says tonight.

Has TLC officially canceled their show yet?

47 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 1:20:40pm

Tony Robinson killing.

48 aagcobb  Jun 3, 2015 1:20:44pm

re: #28 HappyWarrior

what I expect is some false equivalencies to happen. BUT LIBERALS TOLERANT GAY SEX AND CAITLYN JENNER, HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT.

They already did that with Lena Dunham.

49 wee beastie  Jun 3, 2015 1:21:12pm

re: #8 Justanotherhuman

My wife watches the show…. not b/c she’s religious but to watch the trainwreck. Anyway, she pointed out that the two daughters recently got married on the show and did not include Josh in the wedding party.

50 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 1:21:13pm

The people whose family are trapped on that boat in China? A child with a mom or dad stationed overseas and not being able to see them daily. Those people get my sympathy. Two assholes who covered up abuse and are being called out on it? Nope. None.

51 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 3, 2015 1:22:02pm

re: #32 Boss Bosch

The Duggars do represent ‘fundamentalist family values’, and fundamentalist propaganda over time has actually promoted behavior exactly paralleling that of the Duggars as appropriate and holy. Check out this Chick tract (trigger warnings apply):
scans-daily.dreamwidth.org

In a better world, Mike Huckabee’s remarks defending Josh Duggar after this story broke would have instantly discredited his candidacy and forced his withdrawal from the race. Instead he’s either tied for 1st or polling only 2-3% behind the 1st place candidate (depending on which poll you look at).

Jack Chick was a very sick puppy and his propaganda still circulates almost as a kind of fundy underground (Most organized churches disavow it, but it is sold openly in many Christian bookstores.)
When I was teaching at Texas Tech, I would find Chick tracts under my windshield wipers two or three times a week. This had to do with my endorsement of Evil-ution.

52 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 1:22:02pm

re: #48 aagcobb

They already did that with Lena Dunham.

Oh yeah that’s right they did. Nevermind that Lena was seven when what happened with her and her sister and it was once.

53 Maxwell Not So Smart  Jun 3, 2015 1:23:12pm
Josh was 15 years old when he molested his 5-year-old sister and committed at least SEVEN acts of sexual molestation.

Reading that makes me want to revoke my membership with the human race.

That guy is pure scum and evil in one very ugly and sickening package.

54 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 3, 2015 1:23:24pm

More and more, it looks to me like a substantial portion of America is future shocked to the point that it’s irrevocably decided to slump back to a halcyon past that never really existed. That’s sad, but I don’t want to be taken along for the ride. Maybe it’s time to rethink the Union and part ways as amicably as possible.

55 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 1:23:37pm

re: #49 wee beastie

And 2 of the other daughters, the 25 yr old fraternal twin, and and the 21 yr old, are not married yet. Neither is the twin brother of the 25 yr old.

56 Nyet  Jun 3, 2015 1:24:12pm

re: #47 Justanotherhuman

From what I know about this case, the Kenny ruling seems to be justified, unlike this one:

57 aagcobb  Jun 3, 2015 1:24:24pm

re: #52 HappyWarrior

Oh yeah that’s right they did. Nevermind that Lena was seven when what happened with her and her sister and it was once.

Apparently when they were older she also bribed her sister with candy for a kiss, which is just like molesting a sister ten years younger than you.

58 freetoken  Jun 3, 2015 1:24:37pm

Michelle Duggar Tells Megyn Kelly She Felt Like ‘Failure’ As In Touch Releases Second Police Report On Son Fondling Sisters

[…]

“They very much understand their show and reputation are on the line,” Kelly told Deadline of this interview. But, she said, the Duggars also believe the show “has a chance still. It’s not totally done.”

“I think they knew they needed to speak to somebody and get their story out,” Kelly added — their story being that the information about their son and daughters was “released without their consent.”

To that end, Kelly said she was particularly interested to learn more about the police chief who gave the redacted report to In Touch. “It’s a little suspicious how it went down,” Kelly said adding, “Very clearly she had no business releasing” the police report.

That comment was made in advance of In Touch’s new report. And, the mayor, Doug Sprouse, has been quoted saying Springdale Police Chief Kathy O’Kelly had consulted with Springdale’s city attorney when the publication set out to get the report via a Freedom of Information Act, concluding together that the police report had to be released in accordance with the law.

[…]

In other words, the Kelly interview is about keeping the Duggar brand viable, so the scam can keep their marks.

And Fox running after the police chief is very much a diversion tactic.

59 wrenchwench  Jun 3, 2015 1:25:21pm

re: #29 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m willing to believe that the girls could still recover, but if they do it will be in spite of what their “parents” did, not because of it.

It would probably also help to get out of that cult as well.

I think that’s a necessity for a full recovery. Otherwise, feelings of being temptresses and of heading to hell if they don’t forgive the bad brother won’t go away.

60 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 1:25:40pm

re: #43 freetoken

From the little tidbits released as a teaser, it looks like Kelly’s report tonight will be about getting sympathy for the Duggars.

Fox didn’t do any real coverage on the story, less than two minutes, until Megyn Kelly secured the “exclusive” interview. Now they’re covering the story, but only in way that supports Kelly’s narrative that the Duggars are “victims” of whoever leaked the report.

61 makeitstop  Jun 3, 2015 1:26:20pm

re: #36 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Some Christians have this thing where they think they’re allowed to criticize everyone else and no one is allowed to criticize them or those they admire.

They’ve really latched on to ‘hate speech’ as a buzzword.

I suspect that my sister got it straight from her cult church.

62 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 3, 2015 1:26:27pm

re: #58 freetoken

Michelle Duggar Tells Megyn Kelly She Felt Like ‘Failure’ As In Touch Releases Second Police Report On Son Fondling Sisters

In other words, the Kelly interview is about keeping the Duggar brand viable, so the scam can keep their marks.

And Fox running after the police chief is very much a diversion tactic.

It’s all about The Show. That’s what’s important, that’s what must be kept running and held in high regard.

/

63 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 1:27:07pm

re: #57 aagcobb

Apparently when they were older she also bribed her sister with candy for a kiss, which is just like molesting a sister ten years younger than you.

Yeah totally.

64 Nyet  Jun 3, 2015 1:27:22pm

re: #58 freetoken

W.T.F.

65 makeitstop  Jun 3, 2015 1:27:44pm

re: #39 darthstar

Fuck the Duggar parents for not protecting their daughters from a known predator. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that Jim Bob also “diddled” his daughters…fucking hypocrites.

I suspect that there’s a whole lot of that going on among the Quiverful cult.

66 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 1:27:58pm

re: #56 Nyet

Tony Robinson was unarmed. Also, suffered from ADHD, anxiety disorder and depression. A mixed up kid, who if had been white, would probably have never been killed.

67 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 3, 2015 1:28:45pm

re: #61 makeitstop

They’ve really latched on to ‘hate speech’ as a buzzword.

I suspect that my sister got it straight from her cult church.

Yeah and I say this as someone who grew up in that culture and spent most of my life in it—there’s much good there I’ll admit. Very close communities, strongly supportive of one another, etc. But it’s also a culture that’s highly argumentative about many things and hypercritical of “the world” and most others outside of the church.

68 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 1:28:50pm

re: #58 freetoken

Michelle Duggar Tells Megyn Kelly She Felt Like ‘Failure’ As In Touch Releases Second Police Report On Son Fondling Sisters

In other words, the Kelly interview is about keeping the Duggar brand viable, so the scam can keep their marks.

And Fox running after the police chief is very much a diversion tactic.

Really, what Kelly and other conservatives are arguing is that the city should have refused to release the report, forcing In Touch to take the matter to court long enough for Josh and or his parents to file to have the records expunged, as they did immediately after they became public.

69 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 1:28:54pm

re: #59 wrenchwench

I think that’s a necessity for a full recovery. Otherwise, feelings of being temptresses and of heading to hell if they don’t forgive the bad brother won’t go away.

Unfortunately the only way they’re leaving that family is by choice. Hell some of them may even want to leave but may not feel they have anywhere they can go. Someone on here was mentioning that one of the sisters wanted to move to New York and Jim Bob forbade it and then I think she said D.C or something and they were willing to allow that if Josh moved in with her and she immediately changed her mind.

70 piratedan  Jun 3, 2015 1:28:54pm

re: #58 freetoken

if only Faux felt the same way about Michael Brown or Trayvon Martin

71 De Kolta Chair  Jun 3, 2015 1:29:10pm

Heh heh…

Unauthorised flying of Ireland’s national flag over Northern Ireland’s assembly building condemned by unionist politicians and under police investigation.
72 Frenchy  Jun 3, 2015 1:29:18pm

I have to admit that I have watched the Duggars’ show in the past and enjoyed it. I was fooled by the wholesome image they put forth when the cameras are rolling.

I guess I knew they were RWNJs but on TV they seemed to handle their huge clan of children with much more patience and grace than my wife and I are usually able to muster with our “paltry” 3.

I’m pretty embarrassed to have been so easily misled. These are frightening and despicable people.

73 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 3, 2015 1:29:24pm

re: #68 Targetpractice

Really, what Kelly and other conservatives are arguing is that the city should have refused to release the report, forcing In Touch to take the matter to court long enough for Josh and or his parents to file to have the records expunged, as they did immediately after they became public.

But we need all the files for Michael Brown released yesterday to prove he was a thug.

/

74 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 1:30:30pm

re: #58 freetoken

Michelle Duggar Tells Megyn Kelly She Felt Like ‘Failure’ As In Touch Releases Second Police Report On Son Fondling Sisters

In other words, the Kelly interview is about keeping the Duggar brand viable, so the scam can keep their marks.

And Fox running after the police chief is very much a diversion tactic.

She cares more about being a reality TV star than being a mother. this Kelly interview is going to be even worse than I thought after seeing that blurb.

75 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 3, 2015 1:30:31pm

re: #60 Targetpractice

Fox didn’t do any real coverage on the story, less than two minutes, until Megyn Kelly secured the “exclusive” interview. Now they’re covering the story, but only in way that supports Kelly’s narrative that the Duggars are “victims” of whoever leaked the report.

Guess it took Fox, Inc some time to decide what angle they wanted to run with.

76 Nyet  Jun 3, 2015 1:30:40pm

re: #57 aagcobb

Lena is partially to blame for the outrage, the way she formulated things:

As she grew, I took to bribing her time and affection: one dollar in quarters if I could do her makeup like a “motorcycle chick.” Three pieces of candy if I could kiss her on the lips for five seconds. Whatever she wanted to watch on TV if she would just “relax on me.” Basically, anything a sexual predator might do to woo a small suburban girl, I was trying.

But it’s an adult’s memories, which do not necessarily correspond to anything that actually happened. False memory is esp. rampant when we “remember” childhood.

77 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 1:31:43pm

re: #70 piratedan

if only Faux felt the same way about Michael Brown or Trayvon Martin

You ain’t kidding. Treyvon having pot in his system made him a thug and Michael having stolen cigars made him one too but poor Josh he had records released that made him lose his job from a foundation that says gay people do exactly what he did to this sisters and his parents lost their reality TV Show. Where is the justice for Josh Duggar? //

78 freetoken  Jun 3, 2015 1:32:09pm
79 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 3, 2015 1:32:39pm

re: #60 Targetpractice

Fox didn’t do any real coverage on the story, less than two minutes, until Megyn Kelly secured the “exclusive” interview. Now they’re covering the story, but only in way that supports Kelly’s narrative that the Duggars are “victims” of whoever leaked the report.

It’s all the fault of the new social media scourge and journalism scandal sheets that leaked this report and how come Twitter banned Chuck Johnson for doxxing people on the Web when he was just trying to get the truth out?

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80 Nyet  Jun 3, 2015 1:32:43pm

re: #66 Justanotherhuman

Tony Robinson was unarmed. Also, suffered from ADHD, anxiety disorder and depression.

None of which makes Kenny guilty.

A mixed up kid, who if had been white, would probably have never been killed.

I’ve seen no reason to assume Kenny is a racist.

81 The Ghost of a Bikini Shank  Jun 3, 2015 1:32:59pm

re: #62 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

It’s all about The Show. That’s what’s important, that’s what must be kept running and held in high regard.

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The Show is the storefront window through which they market their belief system. As I mentioned back during the Brian Williams scandal, television is about curating footage to create verisimilitude. Reality television takes that curation a further step and creates narrative. As grossed out as I am with this molestation scandal, it’s not like the rest of ATI/Quiverfull is better…so I’m fascinated by how their existence is chopped/filtered to look good on camera.

TLC gets zero dollars from me because I’ve never liked their “reality” shows, but I really hope that this particular case makes people think about what they’re presented with.

82 piratedan  Jun 3, 2015 1:34:26pm

re: #77 HappyWarrior

and you got to love how they pick their battles…. shoplifting and recreational drugs… justifiable death by cop. Child molestation… obstruction of justice… allowable in the continued pursuit of profits since they’re tribal members.

83 Mattand  Jun 3, 2015 1:34:41pm

re: #10 klys (maker of Silmarils)

With all the crying about how the Duggars (read: Jim Bob and his wife and Josh) are the victims here, the real victims continue to go unnoticed: those girls, who likely never got any kind of counseling to deal with what happened to them, who were likely told it was their fault, and who had to continue to live in the family home with the person who molested them.

You know the decision was made that they couldn’t get treatment outside the home because any medical or mental health professional would have been compelled to report this.

I have no words to express my disgust with these so-called “parents” and the people who continue to support them.

You know the old saw about how the older you get, the less you realize you didn’t know?

These last few years have really opened my eyes to how much of a fucking raw deal women get in general, and specifically in situations like sexual assault and its aftermath.

84 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 1:34:57pm

re: #82 piratedan

and you got to love how they pick their battles…. shoplifting and recreational drugs… justifiable death by cop. Child molestation… obstruction of justice… allowable in the continued pursuit of profits since they’re tribal members.

Team Conservative must be protected at all costs.

85 wrenchwench  Jun 3, 2015 1:35:39pm

re: #69 HappyWarrior

Unfortunately the only way they’re leaving that family is by choice. Hell some of them may even want to leave but may not feel they have anywhere they can go. Someone on here was mentioning that one of the sisters wanted to move to New York and Jim Bob forbade it and then I think she said D.C or something and they were willing to allow that if Josh moved in with her and she immediately changed her mind.

The road to recovery is full of hurdles for them. Accepting the facts that one’s brother attacked, and one’s parents were more concerned about protecting the brother then their daughters… it means a good self-opinion might require rejection of their entire family if no sisters will come with. It’s a hard road. Can be very lonely.

86 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 1:36:13pm

re: #83 Mattand

You know the old saw about how the older you get, the less you realize you didn’t know?

These last few years have really opened my eyes to how much of a fucking raw deal women get in general, and specifically in situations like sexual assault and its aftermath.

I know what you mean. I feel bad for having been insufficiently pro-choice in the past. I understand completely why many women will not consider voting for a candidate opposed to choice much better now.

87 allegro  Jun 3, 2015 1:36:41pm

re: #58 freetoken

Michelle Duggar Tells Megyn Kelly She Felt Like ‘Failure’ As In Touch Releases Second Police Report On Son Fondling Sisters

In other words, the Kelly interview is about keeping the Duggar brand viable, so the scam can keep their marks.

And Fox running after the police chief is very much a diversion tactic.

Oh dear, the report was released without ma and pa Duggar’s consent. NOW they’re big fans of consent? Only theirs, not their daughters who couldn’t even sleep in their beds without being molested.

88 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2015 1:37:00pm

re: #76 Nyet

Lena is partially to blame for the outrage, the way she formulated things:

But it’s an adult’s memories, which do not necessarily correspond to anything that actually happened. False memory is esp. rampant when we “remember” childhood.

What I read left me with the feeling that I was very uncomfortable with what she described doing, especially some of the sections that went beyond what we’ve talked about here.

However, her existence and what she might have done doesn’t negate what Josh did to his sisters (plus apparently one unrelated victim) or the things that Jim Bob and his wife did to cover it up and keep their image clean.

89 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 1:37:00pm

re: #85 wrenchwench

The road to recovery is full of hurdles for them. Accepting the facts that one’s brother attacked, and one’s parents were more concerned about protecting the brother then their daughters… it means a good self-opinion might require rejection of their entire family if no sisters will come with. It’s a hard road. Can be very lonely.

I can imagine. I feel for them.

90 aagcobb  Jun 3, 2015 1:37:15pm

re: #62 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

It’s all about The Show. That’s what’s important, that’s what must be kept running and held in high regard.

/

Even with no new shows, the syndication deal is worth a fortune and must be protected.

91 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2015 1:37:55pm
92 Nyet  Jun 3, 2015 1:39:17pm

re: #91 Backwoods_Sleuth

Seems like while some parts of the US are progressing towards more openness and equality, others are sliding even more back into primeval mud.

93 Mattand  Jun 3, 2015 1:39:50pm

Also, can we get a hearty “Go fuck yourself” to Megyn Kelly for doing her damnedest to distract people from multiple young girls being assaulted?

“There is a special place in hell for women who don’t help other women.”

Madeleine Albright

94 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 1:40:11pm

re: #92 Nyet

Seems like while some parts of the US are progressing towards more openness and equality, others are sliding even more back into primeval mud.

Would you say it’s similar to a lot of Europe having grown progressively minded on certain issues while a far right grew in reaction to that?

95 freetoken  Jun 3, 2015 1:40:19pm

Mediaite grabs the Fox teaser:

Michelle Duggar to Megyn Kelly: ‘As Parents, We Felt We Were Failures’

Michelle playing the “we felt like failures as parents” angle, to stroke sympathy from all those parents out there who have had that thought a time or two.

96 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 3, 2015 1:41:02pm

re: #91 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yeah more Less Government.

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97 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 1:41:09pm

re: #93 Mattand

Also, can we get a hearty “Go fuck yourself” to Megyn Kelly for doing her damnedest to distract people from multiple young girls being assaulted?

I love that Madeline quote so much and I can’t thank FemNaziBitch enough for posting it all the time when women like Kelly pull these stunts but don’t forget Michelle Duggar too with that phrase.

98 Mattand  Jun 3, 2015 1:41:56pm

re: #95 freetoken

Mediaite grabs the Fox teaser:

Michelle Duggar to Megyn Kelly: ‘As Parents, We Felt We Were Failures’

Michelle playing the “we felt like failures as parents” angle, to stroke sympathy from all those parents out there who have had that thought a time or two.

Um, letting your son get away with molesting your daughters?

Lady, you and the hubs are the fucking textbook definition of parenting failure.

99 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 1:42:18pm

re: #95 freetoken

Mediaite grabs the Fox teaser:

Michelle Duggar to Megyn Kelly: ‘As Parents, We Felt We Were Failures’

Michelle playing the “we felt like failures as parents” angle, to stroke sympathy from all those parents out there who have had that thought a time or two.

That line alone is going to get a bunch of sympathy where it isn’t warranted.

100 freetoken  Jun 3, 2015 1:43:03pm

In case you missed the Gawker article this afternoon on Gothard still blaming the women:

Insane Duggar Cult Leader Posts “New Statement,” Immediately Deletes It

Many of these young ladies told me that I was their “spiritual father.” I accepted this position with joy and delight. Even today, many remind me of this status with them. However, when I felt that a young lady was spiritually strong I began to work with another one. The first one would feel neglected and in some cases rejected. This was hurtful to them.

101 piratedan  Jun 3, 2015 1:43:25pm

re: #98 Mattand

yeah, but admitting that Josh has an issue and getting him “treated” or counseled for it would have tarnished their reputation, so just suppressing it was the obvious solution because “Jesus Saves”….

not to mention that the girls were essentially just seen as collateral damage

102 freetoken  Jun 3, 2015 1:43:44pm

re: #99 HappyWarrior

That line alone is going to get a bunch of sympathy where it isn’t warranted.

The religion industry has perfected the art of not only the guilt trip but also sympathy card playing.

103 wrenchwench  Jun 3, 2015 1:43:58pm

re: #98 Mattand

Um, letting your son get away with molesting your daughters?

Lady, you and the hubs are the fucking textbook definition of parenting failure.

They are also failures as spouses for not handling this better.

104 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 3, 2015 1:44:21pm

re: #24 Mike Lamb

No…Caitlynn Jenner.

No Problem…Rod Dreher is right there for you in todays bird spattered issue of TAC:

My friend Damon Linker has a theory about why we religious and social conservatives are so unnerved by the Caitlyn Jenner freakshow. Excerpts:

Given all of this, panic and even a dose of anger on the right are perfectly understandable. Still, I worry that thoughtful conservatives are moving a little too rashly to denunciation, resorting to language about the triumph of “Autonomous Eroticized Individualism,” and writing about the advent of a new “diabolic age.” (Both phrases come from my friend Rod Dreher.)

Yes, something important in America’s moral culture has changed (with the change accelerating in recent years), but that change isn’t simply a triumph of “postmodern freedom.” (Also Dreher.) What we’re witnessing is the withering away of the morality of ends — including a vision of human flourishing rooted in Protestant Christianity — that once prevailed in American public and private life. This comprehensive moral vision is being supplanted by a much more minimalist (but no less absolutist) morality of rights that aims above all to protect individuals from various forms of harm.

Before I go further, it’s important to point readers to the essay in which I elaborated on what I meant by a “diabolic age.” I’m deliberately playing off the conventional meaning of “diabolic,” but deepening and broadening it by discussing that etymologically, “diabolic” is the antonym of “symbolic,” meaning that what is diabolic separates, tears in two, rather than unites and harmonizes. In that post to which I link, I talk about how modern globalized economics tears communities to bits, as well as how modern sexual ethics, built as they are on an ideology of the supremacy of individualism and eroticism. As a Christian, I see the hand of el Diablo in all of this, but you do not have to be any sort of believer to recognize the rapid and ongoing atomization of human solidarity with the past, with tradition, with each other, and with anything outside of the willed, chosen Self.

Those diabolic transgenders are all behind it.

105 stpaulbear  Jun 3, 2015 1:45:20pm

re: #98 Mattand

Um, letting your son get away with molesting your daughters?

Lady, you and the hubs are the fucking textbook definition of parenting failure.

But God forgave them, so they only felt that way for a minute, then everything was A-OK again. God always forgives the righteous. Over and over and over again.

106 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 1:45:38pm

I would feel sympathy for them if they had A) immediately reported it. I am sorry but there’s no excuse for that. I know a parent wants to protect their child but sexual abuse is fucking serious. B) Stopped the reality TV show from happening. C) Stopped with the LGBT hatred and lies, D) Stopped having kids and actually worked on being parents to your kids especially the ones that were abused. Michelle says they felt like failures as parents and that’s because they did fail as parents.

107 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 1:46:26pm

re: #91 Backwoods_Sleuth

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AFAIK, Pat McCrory and his wife have no children. I hope he has the sense to veto this POS bill.

108 Dr Lizardo  Jun 3, 2015 1:47:26pm

re: #92 Nyet

Seems like while some parts of the US are progressing towards more openness and equality, others are sliding even more back into primeval mud.

It’s fear - actually, more like stark terror - at modernity. The modern world, changing social mores, everything, is simply too much for some people or groups to grasp. Thus, the reversion to a more primitive ideal, or at least, an excessively nostalgic attachment to - and a desire to revert to - a past that never really existed.

For some folks, modernity is a bridge too far. It’s disruptive to their settled routines, to their underlying worldview, and as far as they’re quite concerned, it must be stopped, no matter what. What was it William Buckley once said? “A conservative is someone who stands athwart history, yelling ‘Stop!’, at a time when no one is inclined to do so, or to have much patience with those who so urge it.”

That sums it quite nicely. They wish to halt the forward momentum of history for no other reason then it makes them uncomfortable.

109 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 3, 2015 1:47:45pm

BY the way…this is the question I posted to Rod over at TAC and he refused to run the comment (all comments are pre-appvoved by him)

The freak out is that you no longer dictate control over another person’s body or life. You can dress it up in dusty Greek metaphysical jargon like ontology and teleology…but really you are merely afraid that general society no longer cares about obscure philosophy and will not hand you the means to enforce it. It is interesting that you decry “atomizaton” of individual will even though that is precisely what allowed you to change religious belief (If you tried that in 1632 Germany, well…good luck avoiding a bonfire). Moreover, you predicate “reality” on unprovable, legalistic philosophical musings that you preselect to fit your existing bias. Your experience of worshipping an invisible God who does not speak to or interact with humans in any provable fashion is reality(for you), while Caitlen Jenner’s attempts to deal with a real, observable problem as she thinks best is something to mock.

Why should your “reality” based on unprovable philosophical traditions that essentially amount to an appeal to authority have any particular credence in Ms Jenner’s personal life? Serious question.

110 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 1:47:56pm

re: #104 Aunty Entity Dragon

No Problem…Rod Dreher is right there for you in todays bird spattered issue of TAC:

Before I go further, it’s important to point readers to the essay in which I elaborated on what I meant by a “diabolic age.” I’m deliberately playing off the conventional meaning of “diabolic,” but deepening and broadening it by discussing that etymologically, “diabolic” is the antonym of “symbolic,” meaning that what is diabolic separates, tears in two, rather than unites and harmonizes. In that post to which I link, I talk about how modern globalized economics tears communities to bits, as well as how modern sexual ethics, built as they are on an ideology of the supremacy of individualism and eroticism. As a Christian, I see the hand of el Diablo in all of this, but you do not have to be any sort of believer to recognize the rapid and ongoing atomization of human solidarity with the past, with tradition, with each other, and with anything outside of the willed, chosen Self.

Those diabolic transgenders are all behind it.

Yeah Rod no sex abuse ever happened before this age. It was all fine until this age where more people started treating LGBT people like human beings rather than demonically possessed that everything went ot hell. Why don’t you go fuck yourself Rod and stop blaming LGBT people and demons for the actions of what people who subscribe to a worldview like yours do? It’s not the fault of LGBT people that Josh Duggar molested his sisters. LGBT people actually treat their children with love and respect which isn’t what the Duggars did here.

111 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 3, 2015 1:48:36pm

re: #104 Aunty Entity Dragon

What we’re witnessing is the withering away of the morality of ends — including a vision of human flourishing rooted in Protestant Christianity — that once prevailed in American public and private life.

Good grief. When individuals—factory workers, say—we’re treated like disposable machine parts, when racial minorities were terrorized, when immigrants and the poor were segregated into urban slums, etc.

112 freetoken  Jun 3, 2015 1:49:00pm

I wonder if Kelly will have some of the sisters on the interview? I wonder if they will play the “we forgive our brother so stop picking on him” angle?

113 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 3, 2015 1:49:00pm

re: #107 Justanotherhuman

AFAIK, Pat McCrory and his wife have no children. I hope he has the sense to veto this POS bill.

Our utterly fucking insane legislature has been over riding his vetos.

114 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2015 1:49:26pm

re: #106 HappyWarrior

Anyone who makes the “they wanted to protect their child” argument is full of bullshit and going to get the side-eye because it completely writes off the four children of theirs who they completely failed to protect.

Their son and their image are clearly worth far, far more to them than their daughters. This is sadly not surprising, but it is incredibly disgusting, and for someone to sign onto that means that they feel the same way on at least some level.

115 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 1:49:50pm

re: #91 Backwoods_Sleuth

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116 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 3, 2015 1:49:55pm

re: #104 Aunty Entity Dragon

This comprehensive moral vision is being supplanted by a much more minimalist (but no less absolutist) morality of rights that aims above all to protect individuals from various forms of harm.

Oh, sorry, that’s right. It’s just all about the social betters protecting individuals from various forms of harm.

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117 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 1:49:58pm

re: #111 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Good grief. When individuals—factory workers, say—we’re treated like disposable machine parts, when racial minorities were terrorized, when immigrants and the poor were segregated into urban slums, etc.

Tehy really do see the Guilded Age as the good old days. If you really press them they will tell you slavery was fine because they think it kept African American families together.

118 Nyet  Jun 3, 2015 1:50:03pm
119 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 3, 2015 1:50:54pm

re: #113 Aunty Entity Dragon

Our utterly fucking insane legislature has been over riding his vetos.

So the NC legislature is even more wingnut crazy than the wingnut governor?

120 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 3, 2015 1:51:39pm

re: #116 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Oh, sorry, that’s right. It’s just all about the social betters protecting individuals from various forms of harm.

/

But we can send thousands of Americans, mostly poor ones, to their deaths in war and nothing is said about the “harm” done them.

121 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 1:51:40pm

re: #104 Aunty Entity Dragon

How does he square that with Jenner being a Christian Republican?

122 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 1:52:56pm

re: #121 Justanotherhuman

How does he square that with Jenner being a Christian Republican?

I doubt he knows that Jenner is Christian let alone Republican. Reminds me. I saw a great comeback to the “Liberals are hating on Josh Duggar because he’s Republican.” It pointed out that many liberals are praising a Republican (Caitlyn Jenner). HEh.

123 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 3, 2015 1:53:12pm

re: #104 Aunty Entity Dragon

Given all of this, panic and even a dose of anger on the right are perfectly understandable.

Given all what? Is there a link to this or is it something easy enough to find at TAC?

124 piratedan  Jun 3, 2015 1:53:17pm

re: #121 Justanotherhuman

didn’t matter when the Germans bomber Pearl Harbor, did it?

125 Dr Lizardo  Jun 3, 2015 1:53:44pm

Well, goodnight, Lizards.

126 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 1:53:50pm

re: #113 Aunty Entity Dragon

Nobody in NC is happy with that lot. Well, except for that 35% that is insane.

127 Frenchy  Jun 3, 2015 1:54:42pm

If they seriously go on Faux and try to make a case for saving their SHOW…I just don’t know how one gets more clueless than that.

128 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2015 1:56:31pm

Mohr cuteness:

129 freetoken  Jun 3, 2015 1:57:34pm

Yup:

Megyn Kelly Interviews Two Josh Duggar Victims/Sisters For Tonight’s Broadast

Fox News Channel’s Megyn Kelly interviewed two of the Duggar daughters for tonight’s broadcast. It will be the first time any of Josh Duggar’s molestation victims have been named. All police reports posted by In Touch magazine, which broke the news of Josh Duggar having, when he was a teen, molested five minors, including four of his sisters, redacted the names of the victims.

130 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 3, 2015 1:58:57pm

re: #111 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Good grief. When individuals—factory workers, say—we’re treated like disposable machine parts, when racial minorities were terrorized, when immigrants and the poor were segregated into urban slums, etc.

Rod is a deeply authoritarian traditionalist, and order is far more important to rights.

Transgendered people and gay people violate his sense order (based on appeals to 3,000 year old Greek musings), and he literally cannot stand that. From his link on rights vs ends.

If you’re committed to an overarching (religious or philosophical) vision of human flourishing that precludes gender reassignment surgery, then an expression of disapproval and perhaps even disgust at the Vanity Fair cover would seem to be in order. But if you’ve left behind any such comprehensive morality of ends in favor of a morality of rights, then it’s hard to see what’s wrong with Jenner’s actions, or with the magazine in promoting them publicly on its cover

You see what they are getting at ? Conservative morality is not interested in rights…only in the ends of a moral, structured society. I think I begin to understand why a certain strain of conservative was so utterly inimical to the civil rights campaigns in our history and why they (Rod included) are so hostile to civil rights unrest in Amerca now. Order leads to a moral society.

131 freetoken  Jun 3, 2015 1:59:31pm

re: #127 Frenchy

If they seriously go on Faux and try to make a case for saving their SHOW…I just don’t know how one gets more clueless than that.

The Duggars know their audience.

132 Nyet  Jun 3, 2015 2:00:08pm

re: #128 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think it’s about to kick someone’s ass.

133 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2015 2:00:09pm

The baby owl reminds me that my neighbor, who is in charge of tending our mutually owned chicken flock, stopped by this morning to say that one of the hens had escaped a while back and yesterday afternoon showed up in his front yard with 8 chicks.
They are little gray fluffs with little white mohawks. Mom is a dominicker, so daddy must have been one of the featherhead breeds.

134 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 3, 2015 2:00:41pm

re: #117 HappyWarrior

Tehy really do see the Guilded Age as the good old days. If you really press them they will tell you slavery was fine because they think it kept African American families together.

That has been posted in comments at his site.

135 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 3, 2015 2:01:52pm

re: #123 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Given all what? Is there a link to this or is it something easy enough to find at TAC?

theamericanconservative.com

136 Charles Johnson  Jun 3, 2015 2:02:06pm

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137 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 3, 2015 2:04:32pm

re: #123 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Given all what? Is there a link to this or is it something easy enough to find at TAC?

Dreher at TAC says this:

Jenner and the media are harming the body politic.

Wingnut conservatives have turned that Vanity Fair cover into the equivalent of Japan bombing Pearl Harbor. After dominating the national discourse for hundreds of years and marginalizing and sometimes putting to death its opponents, wingnut conservativism is now facing for the first time a fractional loss of its still considerable privilege.

138 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 3, 2015 2:05:02pm

re: #135 Aunty Entity Dragon

theamericanconservative.com

Thanks, yeah I tried reading some of it. TL;DR

139 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 2:05:17pm

re: #134 Aunty Entity Dragon

That has been posted in comments at his site.

I remember Bachmann saying that once. Horrifying. I mean even without talking about how bad slavery is, that also ignores how slave families were split up all the time.

140 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2015 2:06:22pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

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Cat does not realize how lucky it is that there was a window between them.

141 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 2:06:52pm

re: #129 freetoken

Yup:

Megyn Kelly Interviews Two Josh Duggar Victims/Sisters For Tonight’s Broadast

And they’ve no doubt been coached to tell Kelly that they totally forgive Josh, they understand it was so long ago, and they’ve moved on with their lives and people should just drop the matter and move on.

142 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 3, 2015 2:07:00pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

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Man o man was that one angry cat! :)

143 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 2:07:26pm

I guarantee you most of the people in the “good old days” would gladly trade places with us. Oh you don’t have to worry about your drinking water? Sign me up!

144 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 3, 2015 2:07:38pm

re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth

Cat does not realize how lucky it is that there was a window between them.

They both looked pretty capable of getting a real fight on. Not sure who I would bet on.

145 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 3, 2015 2:08:15pm

re: #137 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Dreher at TAC says this:

Wingnut conservatives have turned that Vanity Fair cover into the equivalent of Japan bombing Pearl Harbor. After dominating the national discourse for hundreds of years and marginalizing and sometimes putting to death its opponents, wingnut conservativism is now facing for the first time a fractional loss of its still considerable privilege.

It’s just really weird after having read a lot of American history, let alone world history, to have wingnut conservatives suddenly wax eloquent about some supposed moral flourishing they wished for and made possible for the unwashed masses.

146 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 2:08:40pm

re: #141 Targetpractice

And they’ve no doubt been coached to tell Kelly that they totally forgive Josh, they understand it was so long ago, and they’ve moved on with their lives and people should just drop the matter and move on.

And it will ignore that was another victim that wasn’t in the family. But yeah if JEssa and Jill shrug it off, I am totally expecting the usual suspects to go SEEE, THEY’RE NOT UPSET.

147 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 2:09:15pm

The more I See about conservatism the more I am thankful I grew up in a nominally liberal household.

148 Nyet  Jun 3, 2015 2:09:24pm

re: #128 Backwoods_Sleuth

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149 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2015 2:09:40pm

What he wrote…
Wow, just … wow.

150 freetoken  Jun 3, 2015 2:10:44pm

Fox News’ Megyn Kelly Teases Duggar Interview, Talks Big ‘Gets’ and Bigger Ratings

“It will not be a ‘gotcha’ or an attempt to bring down the Duggars,” Fox News anchor tells TheWrap about her sit-down with the embattled reality-TV family […]

Although she promises it won’t be her last headline-making sit-down. “We are very much in contention for the biggest ‘gets’ right now,” Kelly said. “It’s a jump ball, but I think that ball is tipping over to me.”

[…]

In other words, it’s all about harvesting the Duggar marks for their last penny.

151 prairiefire  Jun 3, 2015 2:11:17pm

re: #144 Aunty Entity Dragon

They both looked pretty capable of getting a real fight on. Not sure who I would bet on.

I have a question for you , are you here?

152 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 3, 2015 2:11:49pm

re: #145 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

It’s just really weird after having read a lot of American history, let alone world history, to have wingnut conservatives suddenly wax eloquent about some supposed moral flourishing they wished for and made possible for the unwashed masses.

I have trouble just getting past the metaphysical jargon of “atomization”, “teleogy”, and “ontology” that inevitably accompany his latest attempt to bash teh gheys and teh trannies over the head with another appeal to authority based on something from a Greek philosopher.

153 freetoken  Jun 3, 2015 2:12:49pm

re: #150 freetoken

… fixed the strike out lines…

154 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 3, 2015 2:12:50pm

re: #151 prairiefire

I have a question for you , are you here?

I don’t follow your meaning.

155 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 3, 2015 2:12:56pm

re: #130 Aunty Entity Dragon

Dreher goes on for some paragraphs about the details of gender reassignment and makes it sound like everyone who doesn’t feel completely comfortable in their gender will seek to, and will succeed in changing their gender.

Admittedly my knowledge of the transgendered community isn’t substantial, but I find it very hard to believe that very many people would opt for the treatment Jenner has undergone.

156 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 3, 2015 2:13:56pm

re: #152 Aunty Entity Dragon

I have trouble just getting past the metaphysical jargon of “atomization”, “teleogy”, and “ontology” that inevitably accompany his latest attempt to bash teh gheys and teh trannies over the head with another appeal to authority based on something from a Greek philosopher.

Yeah basically a lot of gobbledygook.

157 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 2:16:16pm

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

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What he wrote…
Wow, just … wow.

Holy fuck.

158 allegro  Jun 3, 2015 2:16:37pm

re: #144 Aunty Entity Dragon

They both looked pretty capable of getting a real fight on. Not sure who I would bet on.

The owl would have had his talons wrapped around that cat’s spine and punctured his lungs before the cat even knew what hit him. Owls are extremely efficient predators.

159 EPR-radar  Jun 3, 2015 2:16:38pm

re: #152 Aunty Entity Dragon

I have trouble just getting past the metaphysical jargon of “atomization”, “teleogy”, and “ontology” that inevitably accompany his latest attempt to bash teh gheys and teh trannies over the head with another appeal to authority based on something from a Greek philosopher.

A bunch of $20 words to cover up the fact that Dreher’s arguments come down to mindless traditionalism.

160 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 2:16:58pm

re: #146 HappyWarrior

And it will ignore that was another victim that wasn’t in the family. But yeah if JEssa and Jill shrug it off, I am totally expecting the usual suspects to go SEEE, THEY’RE NOT UPSET.

Jessa and Jill are the married sisters. Of course.

161 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 3, 2015 2:17:30pm

re: #155 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Dreher goes on for some paragraphs about the details of gender reassignment and makes it sound like everyone who doesn’t feel completely comfortable in their gender will seek to, and will succeed in changing their gender.

Admittedly my knowledge of the transgendered community isn’t substantial, but I find it very hard to believe that very many people would opt for the treatment Jenner has undergone.

He consistently treats it as a manifestation of will that undermines the teleos of Christian America and violates basic ontological principle in that a reproductive organ is made to one certain thing and can not and must not be changed because to do so….would violate it!!!!!!!!!!

Dreher et al really fucking despise free will whanever it is used to do somehting they do not like, and they really fucking despise that they no longer have legal authority to come over with guns and batons to make us do what they say.

162 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 2:17:33pm

Kelly will give the Duggars a platform upon which to argue that they totally screwed up, but hey, it was an “honest mistake” that any parent could make. That yeah, they lied their asses off, but it was only to protect their son who they were afraid “the government” would take away from them and toss in a nuthouse when all he needed was some understanding and care so he could get right with God again. Then she’ll bring in the girls who will inform Kelly that the reports don’t tell the whole story, that Josh has apologized and they’ve forgiven him, and so long as God forgives him then it’s all good. And they’ll close the whole segment by hoping that, now that “their side” has been told, people can understand that the Duggar clan has put this all behind them and so should America. Oh, and call TLC to get their show back on the air, because they’ve got more “story” to tell.

163 prairiefire  Jun 3, 2015 2:18:21pm

re: #154 Aunty Entity Dragon

I don’t follow your meaning.

Cousin, I found a Douglas grandma in the 1600s, can I wear a Douglas tartan?

164 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 3, 2015 2:20:44pm

re: #158 allegro

The owl would have had his talons wrapped around that cat’s spine and punctured his lungs before the cat even knew what hit him. Owls are extremely efficient predators.

Depends who gets the first lick in, since cats are pretty good at dealing with flying things themselves (and have a lot of sharp pointy bits). The owl has 3 attack vectors (beak and two claws) while the cat has 5…and the front 2 claws are equiped to hold while the back 2 disembowel.

Good for both of them the window was there.

165 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 3, 2015 2:21:04pm

re: #163 prairiefire

Cousin, I found a Douglas grandma in the 1600s, can I wear a Douglas tartan?

Yep!

166 allegro  Jun 3, 2015 2:21:17pm

re: #161 Aunty Entity Dragon

He consistently treats it as a manifestation of will that undermines the teleos of Christian America and violates basic ontological principle in that a reproductive organ is made to one certain thing and can not and must not be changed because to do so….would violate it!!!!!!!!!!

Dreher et al really fucking despise free will whanever it is used to do somehting they do not like, and they really fucking despise that they no longer have legal authority to come over with guns and batons to make us do what they say.

Wonder how he feels about nose jobs and orthodontics.

167 William Lewis  Jun 3, 2015 2:21:42pm

re: #137 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Dreher at TAC says this:

Wingnut conservatives have turned that Vanity Fair cover into the equivalent of Japan bombing Pearl Harbor. After dominating the national discourse for hundreds of years and marginalizing and sometimes putting to death its opponents, wingnut conservativism is now facing for the first time a fractional loss of its still considerable privilege.

A better WWII metaphor is D-Day. The beginning of the end and there was little the forces of Germany could do to stop the invasion because they were fighting on too many fronts and had an strategic idiot leading them.

168 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 2:21:57pm

re: #162 Targetpractice

Kelly will give the Duggars a platform upon which to argue that they totally screwed up, but hey, it was an “honest mistake” that any parent could make. That yeah, they lied their asses off, but it was only to protect their son who they were afraid “the government” would take away from them and toss in a nuthouse when all he needed was some understanding and care so he could get right with God again. Then she’ll bring in the girls who will inform Kelly that the reports don’t tell the whole story, that Josh has apologized and they’ve forgiven him, and so long as God forgives him then it’s all good. And they’ll close the whole segment by hoping that, now that “their side” has been told, people can understand that the Duggar clan has put this all behind them and so should America. Oh, and call TLC to get their show back on the air, because they’ve got more “story” to tell.

Way it’s looking, I expect this will be the narrative. I really was hoping Kelly would actually act like a human being here as she did defending mothers on maternity leave but I guess this is too much to ask.

169 prairiefire  Jun 3, 2015 2:22:31pm

re: #165 Aunty Entity Dragon

Yep!

Yay! It’s a lovely one.

170 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 3, 2015 2:23:45pm

re: #167 William Lewis

A better WWII metaphor is D-Day. The beginning of the end and there was little the forces of Germany could do to stop the invasion because they were fighting on too many fronts and had an strategic idiot leading them.

Yep

171 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 3, 2015 2:23:48pm

re: #166 allegro

Wonder how he feels about nose jobs and orthodontics.

People have tried to ask him that. If God sticks you with a malformed back, are you violating anything in getting it fixed? He may say “No” since you are essentially restoring or improving the “intended function”…but what about piercings and tatoos? They seem like a definite no-no.

172 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 3, 2015 2:24:09pm

re: #169 prairiefire

Yay! It’s a lovely one.

Douglas grey is beautiful.

173 William Lewis  Jun 3, 2015 2:24:18pm

re: #144 Aunty Entity Dragon

They both looked pretty capable of getting a real fight on. Not sure who I would bet on.

Owl. One talon clench and kitty is the guest of honor at dinner. Would need to be bobcat sized at least to have tooth & claw enough to hold it’s own against that sized owl.

174 prairiefire  Jun 3, 2015 2:25:57pm

On “Nature”, when an owl lands on a rodent in a field, it is with the velocity of being hit by a semi truck at many miles per hour.

175 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 2:26:21pm

re: #166 allegro

Wonder how he feels about nose jobs and orthodontics.

I think some of the real diehards have a problem with those sort of things. NOt a defense at all mind you.

176 freetoken  Jun 3, 2015 2:26:32pm

…

177 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 2:26:33pm

Who knew the House was just a bunch of heads?

Oh, wait. Forgot about the states righters.

178 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 3, 2015 2:28:08pm

re: #177 Justanotherhuman

Who knew the House was just a bunch of heads?

Oh, wait. Forgot about the states righters.

Yeah but wingnut conservatism usually discards State’s Rights when we’re talking about Reefer Madness.

179 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2015 2:30:44pm

Can you feel the excitement???

180 freetoken  Jun 3, 2015 2:31:19pm

TLC could test waters for Duggars’ future with Fox News interview

Experts said the Duggars’ interview with Fox News host Megyn Kelly could offer TLC the chance to test the waters for future programming, gauging viewer interest in watching the Duggars publicly apologize.

“The network is waiting to see whether Jim Bob and Michelle can dig their family out of this substantial hole that they’ve created,” said Craig Detweiler, a communications professor at Pepperdine University in California.

181 Decatur Deb  Jun 3, 2015 2:31:44pm

re: #174 prairiefire

On “Nature”, when an owl lands on a rodent in a field, it is with the velocity of being hit by a semi truck at many miles per hour.

At our school in N Pennsylvania, we often walked through the deep snow to find a 3’ radius of disturbed pink surface, dotted with rabbit fur. (We ran a licensed bird banding operation, did a few hummingbirds and one Great Horned.)

182 Great White Snark  Jun 3, 2015 2:31:45pm

Just popping in to register a ton or palpable anger at Josh Duggar. That kind of molestation hit very close to home for me, my once foster daughter found her now in prison ex husband doing the same to their daughter.

I can’t express myself adequately without sounding like a raging maniac. This will have to do.

183 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 3, 2015 2:32:10pm

re: #173 William Lewis

Owl. One talon clench and kitty is the guest of honor at dinner. Would need to be bobcat sized at least to have tooth & claw enough to hold it’s own against that sized owl.

The problem is that most cats will have a two to one (or better) weight advantage on most owls and unless they have been declawed or some such, are quite capable of inflicting serious or fatal damage themselves (and have really freaking good reflexes). There are a few cases of large barn owls killing house cats in a surprise attack at night, but that is not in effect here. Both animals are aware of the other and are prepared to fight. My sense is that after a one good go around, the owl would conclude that there is nothing to be gained meal wise here and would vacate rather then risk losing a wing.

184 freetoken  Jun 3, 2015 2:32:31pm

re: #179 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is the room 15 minutes before Lincoln Chafee is scheduled to announce

…. ??

Announce that he too deserves a reality TV show?
Announce that he too saved money with Geico?
Announce …??

185 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2015 2:34:06pm

re: #184 freetoken

…. ??

Announce that he too deserves a reality TV show?
Announce that he too saved money with Geico?
Announce …??

186 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 3, 2015 2:35:09pm

Out for now. BBL

187 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 2:36:39pm

re: #185 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Well that’s four now. I think Webb may announce and that will leave 5 Democrats running. I don’t think any of the four are VP material.

188 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 2:38:43pm

Trying to figure out what Chaffee’s appeal is going to be towards. I like the guy actually but not seeing who he appeals to.

189 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2015 2:38:59pm
190 Decatur Deb  Jun 3, 2015 2:39:34pm

re: #188 HappyWarrior

Trying to figure out what Chaffee’s appeal is going to be towards. I like the guy actually but not seeing who he appeals to.

FDR Republicans.

191 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 2:40:05pm

re: #190 Decatur Deb

FDR Republicans.

I believe the proper term is Rockefeller Republicans.

192 freetoken  Jun 3, 2015 2:40:06pm

Megyn discovers that the Duggars are just a wonderful all-American family with all smiling children:

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193 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 2:40:28pm

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah nice guy but he’ll be the first to drop out.

194 Decatur Deb  Jun 3, 2015 2:40:54pm

re: #191 HappyWarrior

I believe the proper term is Rockefeller Republicans.

No, they actually existed before the Flood.

195 freetoken  Jun 3, 2015 2:40:59pm

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

Dear Lincoln: “Polite applause” will never get you fame. C.f. the Duggars.

196 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 2:41:24pm

re: #192 freetoken

Megyn discovers that the Duggars are just a wonderful all-American family with all smiling children:

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The house that Discovery/TLC built for them. And furnished,

197 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 2:41:41pm

re: #194 Decatur Deb

No, they actually existed before the Flood.

Just yanking, really I like the guy. I just don’t know what he’s trying to accomplish here.

198 allegro  Jun 3, 2015 2:41:59pm

re: #180 freetoken

TLC could test waters for Duggars’ future with Fox News interview

For all the shit folks give Oprah, she didn’t even hesitate to not only cancel the Duggar’s appearance last minute on her show, she called the police. TLC should consider that lesson.

199 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 2:42:43pm

re: #198 allegro

For all the shit folks give Oprah, she didn’t even hesitate to not only cancel the Duggar’s appearance last minute on her show, she called the police. TLC should consider that lesson.

Yeah was thinking the same.

200 CuriousLurker  Jun 3, 2015 2:42:54pm

I wasn’t aware until today that Jim Bob was a state representative in Arkansas from 1999-2002. Wasn’t it 2002 when Josh got in trouble? I would imagine that having recently served as a politician Jim Bob would’ve been able to pull some strings. Also interesting are the committees he served on:

83rd General Assembly > Regular Session, 2001

Vice Chair: Judiciary - House Corrections & Criminal Law Subcommittee
Judiciary Committee - House
Insurance & Commerce - House
Insurance & Commerce - House Insurance Subcommittee
Non-Voting: State Agencies & Govt’L Affairs - House
Alternate: Legislative Council Alternates

82nd General Assembly > Regular Session, 1999

Vice Chair: Judiciary Committee - House
Vice Chair: Judiciary - House Courts & Civil Law Subcommittee
Vice Chair: City, County & Local Affairs Committee - House
Vice Chair: City, County & Local Affairs - House Planning Subcommittee
ex officio: Education Committee - House

Additionally, he was the primary or co-sponsor on a LOT of bills during his two terms. I won’t post them as the lists are too long and the page they’re on also lists his address & phone number. They’ve probably changed since then, but nonetheless I don’t want to run afoul of the LGF rules.

The Arkansas State Legislature’s website is not at all intuitive or user friendly, but once you figure out how it works you can find what you need. If you want to go digging yourself, starting here will save you a little time.

201 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 2:43:07pm

re: #179 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Can you feel the excitement???

Lincoln who?

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202 ObserverArt  Jun 3, 2015 2:44:08pm

Isn’t FOX walking a very fine line here?

First, are they prepared to throw cops under the bus for releasing a report that had to my understanding be released due to disclosure laws. I read where all the names were redacted but everyone in the media and friends of the family put two and two together and knew who the perp and victims were.

Second, there are going to be FOX viewers who are very family protective themselves of their children that might not like FOX softballing this whole story.

I am hoping Charles puts up the video of the interview. I sure as hell am not turning on FOX News.

203 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 2:44:50pm

re: #200 CuriousLurker

I wasn’t aware until today that Jim Bob was a state representative in Arkansas from 1999-2002. Wasn’t it 2002 when Josh got in trouble? I would imagine that having recently served as a politician Jim Bob would’ve been able to pull some strings. Also interesting is the committees he served on:

83rd General Assembly > Regular Session, 2001

Vice Chair: Judiciary - House Corrections & Criminal Law Subcommittee
Judiciary Committee - House
Insurance & Commerce - House
Insurance & Commerce - House Insurance Subcommittee
Non-Voting: State Agencies & Govt’L Affairs - House
Alternate: Legislative Council Alternates

82nd General Assembly > Regular Session, 1999

Vice Chair: Judiciary Committee - House
Vice Chair: Judiciary- House Courts & Civil Law Subcommittee
Vice Chair: City, County & Local Affairs Committee - House
Vice Chair: City, County & Local Affairs - House Planning Subcommittee
ex officio: Education Committee - House

Additionally, he was the primary or co-sponsor on a LOT of bills during his two terms. I won’t post them as is the lists are too long and the page they’re on lists his address & phone number. They’ve probably changed since then, but nonetheless I don’t want to run afoul of the LGF rules.

The Arkansas State Legislature’s website is not at all intuitive or user friendly, but once you figure out how it works you can find what you need. If you want to go digging yourself, starting here will save you a little time.

2002 sounds about right if the youngest victim was five but turns 18 this year. Hmmm. Think he steppe down because fear that it would leak and sink his career after all the talk about executing incestous people and rapists?

204 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 2:46:18pm

re: #202 ObserverArt

Isn’t FOX walking a very fine line here?

First, are they prepared to throw cops under the bus for releasing a report that had to my understand be released due to disclosure laws. I read where all the names were redacted but everyone in the media and friends of the family put two and two together and knew who the perp and victims were.

Second, there are going to be FOX viewers who are very family protective themselves of the children that might not like FOX softballing this whole story.

I am hoping Charles puts up the video of the interview. I sure as hell am not turning on FOX News.

I don’t get it either Art but you have to be remember that there is that segment of the right who constantly believes the left is picking on them and this nterview seems to be trying to re-enforce that but yeah you would think that the majority of people who watch Fox are parents themselves and aren’t going to buy the cock and bull about how the police shouldn’t have released this being the real issue here.

205 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 2:47:04pm

re: #201 Targetpractice

Lincoln who?

//

Can you feel the Chaffementum? Is Webb still rumored to be running?

206 CuriousLurker  Jun 3, 2015 2:47:15pm

re: #203 HappyWarrior

2002 sounds about right if the youngest victim was five but turns 18 this year. Hmmm. Think he steppe down because fear that it would leak and sink his career after all the talk about executing incestous people and rapists?

I had the same thought about his departure, but there’s no way to know for sure, I guess. I didn’t bother looking up the next election to see if he ran or not.

207 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2015 2:48:00pm

re: #206 CuriousLurker

I had the same thought about his departure, but there’s no way to know for sure, I guess. I didn’t bother looking up the next election to see if he ran or not.

I think he ran for state senate that year, but don’t quote me.

208 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 2:49:54pm

re: #206 CuriousLurker

I had the same thought about his departure, but there’s no way to know for sure, I guess. I didn’t bother looking up the next election to see if he ran or not.

Hmmm I think I’m wrong. He ran for US Senate in 2002. Lost in the primary to the incumbent GOP Senator who is the current GOP governor’s brother who I believe had a controversy about leaving his wife for his secretary. He also ran for the State Senate in 2006 but lost the primary there too. So he didn’t step down because of what happened with his son.
en.wikipedia.org

209 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 2:50:18pm

re: #207 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I think he ran for state senate that year, but don’t quote me.

US Senate in 2002 and state senate in 2006. I checked because I was curious too.

210 freetoken  Jun 3, 2015 2:50:36pm

re: #200 CuriousLurker

He lists his profession, among others, as “politician”.

I wonder if Megyn will raise the issue of which you are now aware, of just how multi-dimensional is the Duggar hypocrisy.

re: #208 HappyWarrior

Yes, I thought Duggar lost his race.

211 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2015 2:50:41pm

re: #209 HappyWarrior

US Senate in 2002 and state senate in 2006. I checked because I was curious too.

I had a word right, I’ll take that. >.>

212 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 2:51:30pm

re: #210 freetoken

He lists his profession, among others, as “politician”.

I wonder if Megyn will raise the issue of which you are now aware, of just how multi-dimensional is the Duggar hypocrisy.

Yes, I thought Duggar lost his race.

Yes, he lost both primaries. So my guess is in 2002 after sometime in the state legislature he decided to run for Senate and stepped down from his state legislature gig.

213 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 2:51:44pm

I notice that, with the exception of Sanders, all those others who are challenging Hillary are primarily center-right Democrats who are trying to pick up votes from those folks who might think she’s “too far to the left.” Yeah, there’s a winning strategy right there, running as a Diet Republican. All the conservatism, half the bullshit.

214 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 2:52:21pm

re: #211 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I had a word right, I’ll take that. >.>

Hey you know without looking. I just verified. I didn’t realize the family campaigned for Ken Cuccinneli up here.

215 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2015 2:52:47pm

re: #214 HappyWarrior

Hey you know without looking. I just verified. I didn’t realize the family campaigned for Ken Cuccinneli up here.

I remembered the quote about incest coming from a campaign page.

216 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 2:54:05pm

re: #213 Targetpractice

I notice that, with the exception of Sanders, all those others who are challenging Hillary are primarily center-right Democrats who are trying to pick up votes from those folks who might think she’s “too far to the left.” Yeah, there’s a winning strategy right there, running as a Diet Republican. All the conservatism, half the bullshit.

Eh I’d say O’Malley is closer to Sanders than not. I also think Chaffee will remind primary voters that his record in the Senate wasn’t as hawkish as Hillary’s either. I understand what you’re saying though especially if Webb runs.

217 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 2:54:18pm

re: #215 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I remembered the quote about incest coming from a campaign page.

Ah ha, good memory.

218 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2015 2:55:04pm

re: #217 HappyWarrior

Ah ha, good memory.

It is excellent for useless knowledge.

Useful stuff, the jury is still out on.

219 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 2:55:11pm

re: #216 HappyWarrior

Eh I’d say O’Malley is closer to Sanders than not. I also think Chaffee will remind primary voters that his record in the Senate wasn’t as hawkish as Hillary’s either. I understand what you’re saying though especially if Webb runs.

Chaffee’s entire selling point is “I voted against the Iraq War.” Bully for him, but what else is he bringing to the table?

220 CuriousLurker  Jun 3, 2015 2:55:39pm

re: #207 klys (maker of Silmarils)

re: #209 HappyWarrior

I’m not at all surprised he was trying to move up to the national level. A lot of the bills he sponsored (or co-sponsored) at the state level were typical wingnut things, so it follows that he’d want to step up to the next level. FWIW, a lot of the bills he was involved with died without going anywhere, but all that was back before the GOP went full metal wingnut—i.e. he was basically a Tea Bagger before it was considered “cool”.

221 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 2:55:54pm

re: #219 Targetpractice

Chaffee’s entire selling point is “I voted against the Iraq War.” Bully for him, but what else is he bringing to the table?

I don’t disagree with you at all there. I like the guy but I am curious what he honestly brings to the conversation that Clinton, Sanders, and O’Malley don’t.

222 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2015 2:55:54pm

re: #219 Targetpractice

Chaffee’s entire selling point is “I voted against the Iraq War.” Bully for him, but what else is he bringing to the table?

I’m pretty sure it’s not a ground game working hard to build up enthusiasm and get people aware, engaged, and ready to vote.

Just guessing.

223 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 2:56:35pm

re: #220 CuriousLurker

I’m not at all surprised he was trying to move up to the national level. A lot of the bills he sponsored (or co-sponsored) at the state level were typical wingnut things, so it follows that he’d want to step up to the next level. FWIW, a lot of the bills he was involved with died without going anywhere, but all that was back before the GOP went full metal wingnut—i.e. he was basically a Tea Bagger before it was considered “cool”.

sounds right.

224 EPR-radar  Jun 3, 2015 2:57:15pm

re: #213 Targetpractice

I notice that, with the exception of Sanders, all those others who are challenging Hillary are primarily center-right Democrats who are trying to pick up votes from those folks who might think she’s “too far to the left.” Yeah, there’s a winning strategy right there, running as a Diet Republican. All the conservatism, half the bullshit.

Chaffee is an ex-Republican, and IIRC Webb was a blue dog.

I agree that it is pointless for a Democrat to run to the right of Hillary Clinton.

225 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 2:57:24pm

But yeah if Howard Dean didn’t get the nomination based on being opposed to the Iraq War, Lincoln Chaffee’s not going to get it now based on that. As I said, nice guy, but I see nothing that screams out potential president in him.

226 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 2:58:12pm

re: #200 CuriousLurker

They live in Tontitown, AR.

227 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 2:58:31pm

re: #224 EPR-radar

Chafee is an ex-Republican, and IIRC Webb was a blue dog.

I agree that it is pointless for a Democrat to run to the right of Hillary Clinton.

I don’t think the Senate has blue dogs technically but Webb was definitely among the more right wing of the Senators. Someone brought it to my attention here and hell may have been you EPR that Webb was one of the worst Democrats when it came to climate change.

228 Nyet  Jun 3, 2015 2:58:37pm
Chafee did not vote for President George W. Bush in the 2004 presidential election, instead casting a write-in vote for Bush’s father George H. W. Bush.
229 freetoken  Jun 3, 2015 2:58:47pm

O’Malley, Chafree, Sanders, whoever - these are not household names. I bet most Americans have no clue who they are. The hill is too steep for them to climb.

I think it is better with more candidates, but here is the problem of a party having a President incumbent after 8 years - no one in the party has run a national platform for 8 years.

Hillary has overcome that with two advantages: 1) Bill, 2) being SoS under Obama.

No one else has.

230 Nyet  Jun 3, 2015 2:59:58pm
In September 2013, with low approval ratings and faring poorly in public polls of the Democratic primary and the general election, Chafee announced that he would not run for re-election in 2014.[4] On April 9, 2015, Chafee announced that he was exploring a run for President of the United States as a Democrat in the 2016 election.[5]

Ummmm…

231 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2015 3:00:24pm

I’m going OT here, but happy dance: I got my fourth review for the app (2nd 5 star!) and have over 150 installs now. Looking at doing a small feature upgrade this week and a bigger one to tweak some of the sorting options for users down the road, but still. I’m really pleased with my niche app and all the feedback I’ve received has been positive.

And every bug reported that results in a crash has been fixed within 24 hours, although the one yesterday with someone trying to import PDFs …well, the fix was a check to make sure you’re NOT importing a PDF and a toast telling the user they can’t do that.

232 CuriousLurker  Jun 3, 2015 3:00:29pm

re: #226 Justanotherhuman

They live in Tontitown, AR.

Well, then I guess their address has indeed changed. Not surprising considering the family has basically doubled in size since that time.

233 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 3:01:16pm

re: #232 CuriousLurker

Well, then I guess their address has indeed changed. Not surprising considering the family has basically doubled in size since that time.

HE’s a real estate agent IIRC when not covering up his son’s molesting and moralizing.

234 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 3:01:41pm

re: #230 Nyet

Ummmm…

What that tells me is Chaffee realized his future as a “moderate” Republican was finished, so now he’s trying to run as a “moderate” Democrat.

Gonna be a hard sell.

235 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 3:01:56pm

re: #228 Nyet

I do remember that. Struck me as silly. Granted I wanted to do a protest primary vote in 2006 and vote for Thomas Jefferson instead of Webb and the other Dem that ran that year since I didn’t like Webb much then,.

236 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 3:02:27pm

re: #234 Targetpractice

What that tells me is Chaffee realized his future as a “moderate” Republican was finished, so now he’s trying to run as a “moderate” Democrat.

Gonna be a hard sell.

YEah primary voters don’t like that kind of thing.

237 allegro  Jun 3, 2015 3:02:54pm

re: #229 freetoken

O’Malley, Chafree, Sanders, whoever - these are not household names. I bet most Americans have no clue who they are. The hill is too steep for them to climb.

I think it is better with more candidates, but here is the problem of a party having a President incumbent after 8 years - no one in the party has run a national platform for 8 years.

Hillary has overcome that with two advantages: 1) Bill, 2) being SoS under Obama.

No one else has.

She also has several national campaigns behind her. I’m sure she learned a whole lot with the mistakes she made last time.

238 EPR-radar  Jun 3, 2015 3:03:28pm

re: #234 Targetpractice

What that tells me is Chaffee realized his future as a “moderate” Republican was finished, so now he’s trying to run as a “moderate” Democrat.

Gonna be a hard sell.

Especially with HRC already being a moderate (D).

239 William Lewis  Jun 3, 2015 3:05:32pm

re: #238 EPR-radar

Especially with HRC already being a moderate (D).

Well, a Blue Dog if nothing else. Sanders, thank god, is better than yet another moderate.

240 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2015 3:05:35pm
241 ObserverArt  Jun 3, 2015 3:06:20pm

re: #221 HappyWarrior

I don’t disagree with you at all there. I like the guy but I am curious what he honestly brings to the conversation that Clinton, Sanders, and O’Malley don’t.

Appearances!

He’s another body for anyone that says…hey, the GOP side has so many cool candidates, what about you damn Dems?

Just what Great White Snark wanted all along.

/ Don’t hit me Great White.

242 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 3:06:40pm

He’s only been a Dem since 2013? Shit I stopped doing campaigns longer ago than Lincoln Chaffee has been a Democrat. That’s not going to work.

243 Nyet  Jun 3, 2015 3:06:56pm

*shudder*
I agree with Sant*rum! But does Sant*rum agree with Sant*rum?

rawstory.com

“The church has gotten it wrong a few times on science, and I think that we probably are better off leaving science to the scientists,” the candidate insisted.

244 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 3:08:48pm

re: #243 Nyet

*shudder*
I agree with Sant*rum! But does Sant*rum agree with Sant*rum?

rawstory.com

The Pope actually is a scientist though heh. Masters in chemistry. I know not a climate change scientist but he has a background in science.

245 allegro  Jun 3, 2015 3:09:21pm

Who has stopped Snowden from coming home? Ever.

246 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 3:09:22pm

re: #241 ObserverArt

Appearances!

He’s another body for anyone that says…hey, the GOP side has so many cool candidates, what about you damn Dems?

Just what Great White Snark wanted all along.

/ Don’t hit me Great White.

Sure true point. And hell he’ll get a nice book and some publicity out of this. No harm.

247 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 3:09:22pm

re: #233 HappyWarrior

His mother owns a real estate company, “Good Neighbors Realty” which it appears Jim Bob has taken over. ar-reab.com

248 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 3:10:19pm

re: #241 ObserverArt

Appearances!

He’s another body for anyone that says…hey, the GOP side has so many cool candidates, what about you damn Dems?

Just what Great White Snark wanted all along.

/ Don’t hit me Great White.

I’m curious as to RWS opinion on Chaffee’s entry and Webb considering a run, in light of his previous remarks on wanting someone in the race who appealed to “moderates” but wasn’t a Clinton.

249 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 3:11:16pm

re: #245 allegro

Who has stopped Snowden from coming home? Ever.

Yeah I don’t know what he’s talking about there but I expect the fireprogs to eat that up.

250 allegro  Jun 3, 2015 3:11:32pm

re: #247 Justanotherhuman

His mother owns a real estate company, “Good Neighbors Realty” which it appears Jim Bob has taken over. ar-reab.com

His mother works outside the home?! OMG jump back Jesus. Isn’t that demonic or something in their kinky worldview?

251 Nyet  Jun 3, 2015 3:11:41pm

re: #244 HappyWarrior

The Pope actually is a scientist though heh. Masters in chemistry. I know not a climate change scientist but he has a background in science.

S*ntorum obviously did not understand what he’s just said.

252 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 3:12:23pm

re: #240 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh, for the love of God, is he going to try to fight for the Paulian vote? Because if he is, I’m gonna need more booze.

253 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 3:12:34pm

re: #251 Nyet

S*ntorum obviously did not understand what he’s just said.

Does he ever?

254 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 3:13:52pm

re: #248 Targetpractice

I’m curious as to RWS opinion on Chaffee’s entry and Webb considering a run, in light of his previous remarks on wanting someone in the race who appealed to “moderates” but wasn’t a Clinton.

I think he’d like Webb more than Chaffee but obviously I can’t speak for him. I hope he’s glad to see more than two candidates running in the Dem race because he understandably was worried about Hillary’s nomination becoming a mere formality.

255 TedStriker  Jun 3, 2015 3:14:29pm
Entertainment journal In Touch has obtained a sheriff’s report with new, even more awful details about the child molestation allegedly committed by Josh Duggar.

And a billion irony meters exploded in spectacular fashion…

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256 ObserverArt  Jun 3, 2015 3:15:34pm

re: #251 Nyet

S*ntorum obviously did not understand what he’s just said.

He does that all the time. That is why I can’t let him slide over the ‘nig’ and ‘blah’ comments.

Whatever…not presidential material.

257 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 3:15:43pm

re: #250 allegro

I think she’s pretty elderly now which is why he’s running it.

BTW, there’s a Duggar fan page and evidently, over the years, they’ve encouraged people to write and send pkgs (FedEx, UPS) to the Duggars.
duggarfansacrosstheworld.weebly.com

258 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2015 3:16:11pm
259 freetoken  Jun 3, 2015 3:16:27pm

re: #240 Backwoods_Sleuth

Chafee calls for letting Snowden come home/moving America to the metric system

Something tells me this is not a winning platform.

260 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 3:17:16pm

re: #258 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Bad choices is when I have too many beers and try to be funny when I am not. These weren’t bad choices. These were fucking up your daughters to protect your son.

261 Decatur Deb  Jun 3, 2015 3:17:51pm

re: #257 Justanotherhuman

I think she’s pretty elderly now which is why he’s running it.

BTW, there’s a Duggar fan page and evidently, over the years, they’ve encouraged people to write and send pkgs (FedEx, UPS) to the Duggars.
duggarfansacrosstheworld.weebly.com

Why the hell aren’t the Duggars the Buzzop Freeloader Family?

262 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 3:18:14pm

re: #259 freetoken

Something tells me this is not a winning platform.

Yeah I don’t think he’s thought this through carefully. The candidate with the most clear message so far to me seems to be Sanders though of course as we know the candiidate with the clearest message isn’t the most successful but running on the metric system?

263 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 3:19:07pm

re: #257 Justanotherhuman

I think she’s pretty elderly now which is why he’s running it.

BTW, there’s a Duggar fan page and evidently, over the years, they’ve encouraged people to write and send pkgs (FedEx, UPS) to the Duggars.
duggarfansacrosstheworld.weebly.com

He’s like 50 so she’s gotta be at least 70. Not sure if his father is still alive.

264 BeachDem  Jun 3, 2015 3:19:09pm

re: #188 HappyWarrior

Trying to figure out what Chaffee’s appeal is going to be towards. I like the guy actually but not seeing who he appeals to.

When I saw him speak last month, his big thing was that he has always had integrity and that nobody would be able to find any scandal about him (obviously in preparation for his going back 15 years for dirt about Hillary.)

I thought he seemed like a nice guy—did get to talk to him one-on-one for awhile (there weren’t many others showing any interest in him). It was right after one of the news sites had run their “There’s a Democrat who nobody’s ever heard of running” stories. I told him that I HAD heard of him—he laughed. Talked more to one of his staffers, who was really quite interesting.

This was at our state Dem convention. He wasn’t treated badly, but there was next to no enthusiasm about him.

265 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 3:20:43pm

re: #264 BeachDem

When I saw him speak last month, his big thing was that he has always had integrity and that nobody would be able to find any scandal about him (obviously in preparation for his going back 15 years for dirt about Hillary.)

I thought he seemed like a nice guy—did get to talk to him one-on-one for awhile (there weren’t many others showing any interest in him). It was right after one of the news sites had run their “There’s a Democrat who nobody’s ever heard of running” stories. I told him that I HAD heard of him—he laughed. Talked more to one of his staffers, who was really quite interesting.

This was at our state Dem convention. He wasn’t treated badly, but there was next to no enthusiasm about him.

Yeah that’s true. Never heard of him in any scandals. He just sounds meh and now I see he’s running on putting us on the metric system. I mean just seems like he’s in A ball while Hillary is in the majors to use some baseball talk.

266 allegro  Jun 3, 2015 3:21:11pm

Yeah he made “a mistake” and they made “some bad choices.”

Just… no.

267 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 3:21:17pm

re: #261 Decatur Deb

Not only that, but it appears that someone contributed heavily to Jim Bob to get the land on which their property sits (built by Discovery/TLC). It’s worth millions. See here for a discussion: freejinger.org

268 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 3:21:39pm

All I see being set up by Chafee jumping into the race is the GOP’s work being done by the time they get to the general election. He’s got nothing to run on, so I expect his to be a campaign based upon tearing down Hillary as much as possible.

269 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 3:21:46pm

re: #267 Justanotherhuman

Oh, and the property is held in a trust.

270 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2015 3:22:29pm

re: #264 BeachDem

I saw someone on twitter comparing him to a loaf of Wonder bread.

271 Decatur Deb  Jun 3, 2015 3:22:42pm

re: #262 HappyWarrior

Yeah I don’t think he’s thought this through carefully. The candidate with the most clear message so far to me seems to be Sanders though of course as we know the candiidate with the clearest message isn’t the most successful but running on the metric system?

Hate to tell LC, but I think we’re ‘on’ the metric system. We just don’t use it.

272 TedStriker  Jun 3, 2015 3:22:47pm

re: #265 HappyWarrior

Yeah that’s true. Never heard of him in any scandals. He just sounds meh and now I see he’s running on putting us on the metric system. I mean just seems like he’s in A ball while Hillary is in the majors to use some baseball talk.

All hat, no cattle.

273 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 3:23:46pm

“Josh made some really bad choices, which is why we made some by covering this all up so we could continue on being sanctimonious assholes.”

274 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 3:24:03pm

re: #272 TedStriker

All hat, no cattle.

Yeah. I mean I appreciate that he was one of the most sane Republican senators but that doesn’t qualify him to be his new party’s nominee for president.

275 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 3:25:07pm

re: #271 Decatur Deb

Hate to tell LC, but I think we’re ‘on’ the metric system. We just don’t use it.

Don’t know what you mean. We still measure distance in miles and feet and not kilometers and meters. It’s just a silly thing to run a campaign on.

276 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2015 3:25:26pm

re: #269 Justanotherhuman

Oh, and the property is held in a trust.

Just as an aside, holding property in a trust is not necessarily a bad thing, and there are a lot of reasons to do so. Here in CA, putting property in the trust means taking it out of the probate process, which can take years to get resolved.

I can’t speak to any of the rest of it, just commenting on that one, very small aspect.

277 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2015 3:28:05pm

Not a fake quote.

278 Decatur Deb  Jun 3, 2015 3:28:13pm

re: #275 HappyWarrior

Don’t know what you mean. We still measure distance in miles and feet and not kilometers and meters. It’s just a silly thing to run a campaign on.

We went metric around Carter’s time, officially. No one much bought into it except the government and international marketers. Everything I did for the Army had to be metric or both systems. (If you want to kill a bunch of people, take a guy who has worked with thousands of pounds of explosives for 20 years, and make him start working with kilos.)

279 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 3:29:19pm

re: #277 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Not a fake quote.

Uh RIck. It’s different you asshole. Maybe actually learn science and stop drinking.

280 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 3:29:40pm

re: #278 Decatur Deb

We went metric around Carter’s time, officially. No one much bought into it except the government and international marketers. Everything I did for the Army had to be metric or both systems. (If you want to kill a bunch of people, take a guy who has worked with pounds of explosives for 20 years, and make him start working with kilos.)

Oh yeah, I think I did read about that now.

281 Great White Snark  Jun 3, 2015 3:33:52pm

re: #240 Backwoods_Sleuth

282 TedStriker  Jun 3, 2015 3:33:56pm

re: #273 Targetpractice

“Josh made some really bad choices, which is why we made some by covering this all up so we could continue on being sanctimonious assholes.”

Making lots of money whoring our “family” out on TV (including our molester son and the girls that he violated) for the world to see…

283 BeachDem  Jun 3, 2015 3:35:06pm

re: #272 TedStriker

All hat, no cattle.

Not even that much hat.

284 Decatur Deb  Jun 3, 2015 3:35:22pm

re: #280 HappyWarrior

Oh yeah, I think I did read about that now.

“The U.S. Metric Study recommended that the United States implement a carefully planned transition to the principal use of the metric system over a decade. Congress passed the Metric Conversion Act of 1975 “to coordinate and plan the increasing use of the metric system in the United States”. Voluntary conversion was initiated, and the United States Metric Board (USMB) was established for planning, coordination, and public education. The public education component led to public awareness of the metric system, but the public response included resistance, apathy, and sometimes ridicule.[9] In 1981, the USMB reported to Congress that it lacked the clear Congressional mandate necessary to bring about national conversion. Because of this ineffectiveness and an effort of the Reagan administration — particularly from Lyn Nofziger’s efforts[10] as a White House advisor to the Reagan administration, to reduce federal spending — the USMB was disbanded in the autumn of 1982.”

en.wikipedia.org

285 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2015 3:35:32pm

I haven’t too many problems with moving back and forth between metric and US customary systems, maybe because I’ve been using both since I was a kid.
Recipes can sometimes be challenge when the metric instructions are in grams since that’s the only time I have to deal with metric weight measurements.

286 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 3:35:45pm

re: #284 Decatur Deb

“The U.S. Metric Study recommended that the United States implement a carefully planned transition to the principal use of the metric system over a decade. Congress passed the Metric Conversion Act of 1975 “to coordinate and plan the increasing use of the metric system in the United States”. Voluntary conversion was initiated, and the United States Metric Board (USMB) was established for planning, coordination, and public education. The public education component led to public awareness of the metric system, but the public response included resistance, apathy, and sometimes ridicule.[9] In 1981, the USMB reported to Congress that it lacked the clear Congressional mandate necessary to bring about national conversion. Because of this ineffectiveness and an effort of the Reagan administration — particularly from Lyn Nofziger’s efforts[10] as a White House advisor to the Reagan administration, to reduce federal spending — the USMB was disbanded in the autumn of 1982.”

en.wikipedia.org

Thanks.

287 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2015 3:37:41pm
288 EPR-radar  Jun 3, 2015 3:37:54pm

re: #277 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is why it’s a bad idea to argue for GLBT rights on the grounds that orientation etc. is inborn.

The simpler and better argument is that the relevant behavior between consenting adults is simply nobody else’s business (subject to the usual time and place issues that affect everyone equally).

289 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 3:39:14pm

re: #277 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Not a fake quote.

It’s a different way of saying “Being gay is a choice!!” Remember when Goodhair was sold as being a “smart”?

290 EPR-radar  Jun 3, 2015 3:39:46pm

re: #285 Backwoods_Sleuth

I haven’t too many problems with moving back and forth between metric and US customary systems, maybe because I’ve been using both since I was a kid.
Recipes can sometimes be challenge when the metric instructions are in grams since that’s the only time I have to deal with metric weight measurements.

IIRC, we recently lost a Mars mission because of a unit conversion issue. Even so, going metric is way the hell down on the list of issues to consider in a POTUS campaign.

291 EPR-radar  Jun 3, 2015 3:40:30pm

re: #289 Targetpractice

It’s a different way of saying “Being gay is a choice!!” Remember when Goodhair was sold as being a “smart”?

“So what if it is a choice” is a good reply to that.

292 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 3, 2015 3:40:44pm

re: #111 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Good grief. When individuals—factory workers, say—we’re treated like disposable machine parts, when racial minorities were terrorized, when immigrants and the poor were segregated into urban slums, etc.

Who doesn’t miss the real good old days, eh? The days before penicillin when you could die from an infected tooth. Oh, yes. The days when children went to work at the age of eight. But, folks didn’t suffer for long because life expectancy from1865-1869 was exactly 40 years. Then it was off to heaven to get all of the things that you’d been denied on earth. Right?

293 Decatur Deb  Jun 3, 2015 3:40:53pm

re: #290 EPR-radar

IIRC, we recently lost a Mars mission because of a unit conversion issue. Even so, going metric is way the hell down on the list of issues to consider in a POTUS campaign.

After the Designated Hitter Rule.

294 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2015 3:42:05pm

re: #290 EPR-radar

The primary cause of this discrepancy was that one piece of ground software supplied by Lockheed Martin produced results in a United States customary unit (“American”), contrary to its Software Interface Specification (SIS), while a second system, supplied by NASA, that used those results expected them to be in metric units, in accord with the SIS. Software that calculated the total impulse produced by thruster firings calculated results in pound-seconds. The trajectory calculation used these results to correct the predicted position of the spacecraft for the effects of thruster firings. This software expected its inputs to be in newton-seconds.[16]

The discrepancy between calculated and measured position, resulting in the discrepancy between desired and actual orbit insertion altitude, had been noticed earlier by at least two navigators, whose concerns were dismissed. A meeting of trajectory software engineers, trajectory software operators (navigators), propulsion engineers, and managers, was convened to consider the possibility of executing Trajectory Correction Maneuver-5, which was in the schedule. Attendees of the meeting recall an agreement to conduct TCM-5, but it was ultimately not done.

The Mars Climate Orbiter, in 1999.

295 EPR-radar  Jun 3, 2015 3:42:40pm

re: #281 Great White Snark

Snowden isn’t so modest as to take a centimeter when given an inch. It’s the other way around.

296 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2015 3:42:59pm
297 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 3:44:20pm

re: #276 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I think perhaps this is for the benefit of Mary Duggar, JB’s mother, who lives with them. She is probably invested heavily in the property without putting her name on it, but theirs.

I know in NC that people were putting their parent’s homes in trusts to avoid the possibility of it being used as an asset when applying for nursing home care, and that was stopped.

298 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2015 3:44:30pm
299 Khal Wimpo  Jun 3, 2015 3:45:18pm

re: #9 Feline Fearless Leader

(Not that we’re going to see a Beckert-class* monologue.)

* - Peter Lorre’s character in the 1931 movie “M”. I’m sure it’s on YouTube with just that part, though the whole movie is very good.

Ooo! One of my favorite film-nerd nuggets: the scene where Beckert is put before a tribunal of other crooks … the “extras” in the scene were actually members of the Berlin criminal underground. M is often cited as one of the movies that was decades before its time.

300 EPR-radar  Jun 3, 2015 3:45:20pm

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

What the heck is a Unniversity?

301 Great White Snark  Jun 3, 2015 3:45:51pm

re: #248 Targetpractice

I’m curious as to RWS opinion on Chaffee’s entry and Webb considering a run, in light of his previous remarks on wanting someone in the race who appealed to “moderates” but wasn’t a Clinton.

Gonna have to learn about these guys, got no clue as of yet. Gotta see how close or how friendly they are to a middle class economy first, decouple from the corporate powers policies.

302 Decatur Deb  Jun 3, 2015 3:46:38pm

re: #300 EPR-radar

What the heck is a Unniversity?

‘Bama.

303 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 3:47:04pm

re: #301 Great White Snark

Gonna have to learn about these guys, got no clue as of yet. Gotta see how close or how friendly they are to a middle class economy first, decouple from the corporate powers policies.

Fair enough.

304 Great White Snark  Jun 3, 2015 3:47:06pm

re: #295 EPR-radar

Snowden isn’t so modest as to take a centimeter when given an inch. It’s the other way around.

Yeah, shoulda said kilometer but wanted to scale the whole issue down, not up. ;-)

305 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2015 3:47:07pm

re: #300 EPR-radar

What the heck is a Unniversity?

Yep. pretty sure it’s fake. ;)

306 Great White Snark  Jun 3, 2015 3:48:44pm

re: #305 Backwoods_Sleuth

Like the Un cola maybe…

307 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2015 3:56:48pm
308 sagehen  Jun 3, 2015 3:58:05pm

re: #219 Targetpractice

Chaffee’s entire selling point is “I voted against the Iraq War.” Bully for him, but what else is he bringing to the table?

He’s also pretty strong on environmental issues and civil rights, and being willing to go against party discipline (before he finally gave up on being the last remaining Rockefeller Republican and changed his registration).

309 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 4:06:12pm

Eh.

Solar-powered ‘Solar Impluse’ plane stuck for at least a week in Japan due to damaged wing - @NBCNews

nbcnews.com

310 Mattand  Jun 3, 2015 4:07:47pm

Guess who just burned another Facebook bridge?

ME!!!!

311 unproven innocence  Jun 3, 2015 4:08:06pm

re: #245 allegro

Who has stopped Snowden from coming home? Ever.

As I recall, the US State Department revoked his travel visa shortly after he went public.

312 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2015 4:08:35pm

For folks interested in how El Nino and CA weather might connect:

313 Mattand  Jun 3, 2015 4:09:45pm

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

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On the bright side, he’s not a religious anti-gay bigot like the majority of the GOP Krazy Klown Kar.

314 TedStriker  Jun 3, 2015 4:11:26pm

re: #302 Decatur Deb

‘Bama.

Roll Tide!

/a phrase that is anathema to Tennessee Vols everywhere

315 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 4:14:48pm

Further ripping off the poor, cont. It unraveled when someone shoplifted steaks from a Walmart to sell to one of these stores, which they would then sell at marked-up prices.

Corner stores turned EBT cards into cash for drugs, wired profit to Yemen, authorities say

al.com

(snip)

The government reloads money onto those EBT cards monthly. Once the store owners and managers bought the cards, they would then go to a wholesaler where they would buy goods and bring them back to their stores to sell at a further inflated price. In return, the person who sold their EBT card now had cash to buy items not allowed to be purchased under the government system, such as alcohol, tobacco and drugs.

“They’re selling their cards to get those things,” Deputy District Attorney Cynthia Raulston said.

“Part of the problem, in my opinion, is now they don’t have their food stamps card so they don’t have the money to take care of their families or themselves,” Raulston said. “I think it’s a huge cycle of remaining impoverished.”

“One of the biggest issues is they’re marking up these items in the stores and charging more than what retailers would charge and they’re in the middle of food deserts with no transportation so they don’t have a lot of options,” Raulston said. “It’s not only the EBT card beneficiaries, but you’ve got the working poor paying marked up prices. They’re getting ripped off.”

316 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 4:16:11pm

re: #313 Mattand

He’s running as a Democrat.

317 Justanotherhuman  Jun 3, 2015 4:18:04pm

Bastards.

US House approves proposal to block Obama administration from defending immigration actions in court; amendment to Justice Department funding bill passed on party lines, 222-204 - @thehill
read more on thehill.com

318 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2015 4:28:44pm
319 #FergusonFireside  Jun 3, 2015 4:31:34pm

re: #314 TedStriker

Roll Tide!

/a phrase that is anathema to Tennessee Vols everywhere

And Florida Gators.

Game on at 8pm (5 pacific)

320 Great White Snark  Jun 3, 2015 4:32:24pm

re: #241 ObserverArt

Appearances!

He’s another body for anyone that says…hey, the GOP side has so many cool candidates, what about you damn Dems?

Just what Great White Snark wanted all along.

/ Don’t hit me Great White.

Finally got a look at Chaffe’s Wiki. Very interesting so far. Obviously not terribly attached to party loyalty, goes with his head rather than blind loyalty. To me huge plus right there, and experienced too.

On the metric system, strikes me as a quirk. Unimportant in the face of current events. I have to switch measuring systems so much as part of my day job I’m darn near bilingual. I can think in either system.

321 b.d.  Jun 3, 2015 4:32:57pm

I can’t wait for Lincoln to go to Iowa and talk about the price of a liters of milk and ethanol.

322 Dr. Matt  Jun 3, 2015 4:33:50pm
323 Dave In Austin  Jun 3, 2015 4:34:51pm

Ah Haa!!

324 Great White Snark  Jun 3, 2015 4:39:54pm

re: #312 klys (maker of Silmarils)

325 Dave In Austin  Jun 3, 2015 4:39:58pm
326 Dr. Matt  Jun 3, 2015 4:40:24pm

20 mins until they drop the puck and tix still hovering around $300. Damn.

327 EPR-radar  Jun 3, 2015 4:42:17pm

re: #323 Dave In Austin

“Indentured servitude in the United States”

When will we finally see this as an MSM headline?

328 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2015 4:42:17pm
329 darthstar  Jun 3, 2015 4:43:58pm

Josh Duggar’s daughter is almost five now, isn’t she? I hope his wife puts a camera in the kid’s room.

330 darthstar  Jun 3, 2015 4:45:09pm

re: #326 Dr. Matt

20 mins until they drop the puck and tix still hovering around $300. Damn.

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Standing outside ready to buy from your phone? I know some people who have done that. I’ll buy baseball tickets an hour before the game and get good seats for $20 that way.

331 stpaulbear  Jun 3, 2015 4:46:08pm

The Rolling Stones are playing at the U of M’s new football stadium tonight. I’m not going but my boss is all psyched about it. I just checked WeatherUnderground and there’s a really sharp band of heavy rain that’ll probably hit the Cities by about 7:00-7:30. There have been rain showers (sometimes heavy) moving through town all day today so the concert may be really soggy.

I’m not going to watch the Duggars on TV tonight although I’ll be watching the blogs for a disaster report.

Edit: It just started pouring buckets outside.

332 darthstar  Jun 3, 2015 4:46:13pm

I upgraded my Dell e6500 from Ubuntu 12.10 to 14.10. Wifi was gone. Did a little linux judo, rebooted, and it was back.

333 darthstar  Jun 3, 2015 4:46:51pm

64 bit. My computer looks a lot better and performance seems fine.

334 Dr. Matt  Jun 3, 2015 4:48:27pm

re: #330 darthstar

Standing outside ready to buy from your phone? I know some people who have done that. I’ll buy baseball tickets an hour before the game and get good seats for $20 that way.

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335 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2015 4:49:57pm

My surprise, etc.

336 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2015 4:50:25pm

re: #330 darthstar

Standing outside ready to buy from your phone? I know some people who have done that. I’ll buy baseball tickets an hour before the game and get good seats for $20 that way.

I would suspect that doesn’t work for the World Series, though, which this would be the equivalent of.

I’ve gotten to go to one game of the Stanley Cup Finals, way back when. It’s absolutely fantastic, especially if you’re invested in one of the teams.

337 bratwurst  Jun 3, 2015 4:52:49pm

Forgive me for being dubious about this:

338 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 4:53:12pm

re: #335 Backwoods_Sleuth

My surprise, etc.

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Had a wingnut the other day swear to me that this was the city’s fault, because they didn’t properly plan for the failure of the pipe. Yes, that’s right, it’s not the company’s fault for allowing the pipe to corrode to the point that it spewed oil, it’s the city’s for not preparing for the company allowing its own pipe to fail.

339 Cheechako  Jun 3, 2015 4:53:36pm

re: #326 Dr. Matt

Hockey should NOT be played in June!!! It’s a winter sport.

340 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2015 4:55:45pm

re: #339 Cheechako

Hockey should NOT be played in June!!! It’s a winter sport.

…and baseball should be played in November?

341 darthstar  Jun 3, 2015 4:56:32pm

re: #336 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I would suspect that doesn’t work for the World Series, though, which this would be the equivalent of.

I’ve gotten to go to one game of the Stanley Cup Finals, way back when. It’s absolutely fantastic, especially if you’re invested in one of the teams.

Speaking of the WS - my missus got her ring yesterday. This one’s the ‘team ring’ - same as the players get. It’s fuckin’ gorgeous. Now we have to insure the damn thing. Pics will come later.

342 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2015 4:56:51pm

Ted Cruz campaigning in Michigan today:

asshole.

343 darthstar  Jun 3, 2015 4:57:11pm

re: #339 Cheechako

Hockey should NOT be played in June!!! It’s a winter sport.

Finish the season by April, or make the Finals field hockey…wouldn’t that be fun?

344 Single-handed sailor  Jun 3, 2015 4:57:46pm

re: #338 Targetpractice

What city? Refugio Beach State Park is 20 miles north of Goleta.

345 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 4:58:57pm

re: #344 Single-handed sailor

What city? Refugio Beach State Park is 20 miles north of Goleta.

That’s what had me scratching my head as well. I’m fairly certain the moron just belched out the first “small government” BS that came to mind.

346 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2015 4:59:48pm
347 b.d.  Jun 3, 2015 5:00:22pm

Glenn is shocked that people don’t really know or care about who is thieving ruskie mealticket is.

348 darthstar  Jun 3, 2015 5:06:24pm

re: #347 b.d.

Glenn is shocked that people don’t really know or care about who is thieving ruskie mealticket is.

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I’m here to help.

349 Mattand  Jun 3, 2015 5:09:02pm

re: #316 Justanotherhuman

He’s running as a Democrat.

Yeah, I know. I just like pointing out how fucked up the GOP POTUS hopefuls are every chance I get! :)

350 b.d.  Jun 3, 2015 5:11:23pm

re: #348 darthstar

I’m here to help.

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That’s nice.

I would imagine that with the recent US Gvt. law changes that Snowden is now as in demand as a pumpkin is on Nov. 1st.

351 Cheechako  Jun 3, 2015 5:14:00pm

re: #340 klys (maker of Silmarils)

You’re right…baseball should not be played in November. The sports leagues are just destroying the natural order of the world.

352 VegasGolfer  Jun 3, 2015 5:23:05pm

re: #326 Dr. Matt

That’s cheap compared to what they’ll cost in Chicago, and what they were in NY and LA last year

353 Gus  Jun 3, 2015 5:24:20pm
354 darthstar  Jun 3, 2015 5:30:42pm

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

She misspelled University.

355 VegasGolfer  Jun 3, 2015 5:37:19pm

re: #336 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I would suspect that doesn’t work for the World Series, though, which this would be the equivalent of.

I’ve gotten to go to one game of the Stanley Cup Finals, way back when. It’s absolutely fantastic, especially if you’re invested in one of the teams.

I went to the final game in LA in 2012 when the Kings won their 1st Cup. It was one of the greatest things I have witnessed. There was an older gentleman sitting next to me and when the clock was ticking down the final seconds, he said he had waited since 1967 to see the Kings win the Cup as tears were rolling down his face, I just put my arm around him and gave him a hug.

356 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2015 5:38:41pm

re: #355 VegasGolfer

I went to the final game in LA in 2012 when the Kings won their 1st Cup. It was one of the greatest things I have witnessed. There was an older gentleman sitting next to me and when the clock was ticking down the final seconds, he said he had waited since 1967 to see the Kings win the Cup as tears were rolling down his face, I just put my arm around him and gave him a hug.

It pains me to upding this, as my second team is the Sharks, but I will do so, because a) being there would have been awesome to experience (except I would want another team than the Kings) and b) the story deserves an upding.

357 VegasGolfer  Jun 3, 2015 5:44:58pm

re: #356 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It pains me to upding this, as my second team is the Sharks, but I will do so, because a) being there would have been awesome to experience (except I would want another team than the Kings) and b) the story deserves an upding.

Thanks.

358 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2015 5:45:39pm

re: #357 VegasGolfer

Thanks.

I won’t lie, last year sucked horribly because my first team is the NJ Devils. So the Kings versus the Rangers was …painful.

359 Bubblehead II  Jun 3, 2015 6:40:05pm
360 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 3, 2015 7:04:51pm

re: #311 unproven innocence

As I recall, the US State Department revoked his travel visa shortly after he went public.

His passport.

361 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 3, 2015 7:06:45pm

re: #317 Justanotherhuman

Bastards.

US House approves proposal to block Obama administration from defending immigration actions in court; amendment to Justice Department funding bill passed on party lines, 222-204 - @thehill
read more on thehill.com

Wouldn’t that be, y’know, unconstitutional and all?

362 KerFuFFler  Jun 3, 2015 11:50:51pm

re: #99 HappyWarrior

Michelle playing the “we felt like failures as parents” angle, to stroke sympathy from all those parents out there who have had that thought a time or two.

That line alone is going to get a bunch of sympathy where it isn’t warranted.

Oh yeah, they felt like such failures at parenting that they decided to participate in a television series showcasing their “wholesome” family and celebrating their “virtuous, “Godly” lifestyle. What fucking HYPOCRITES!!!!

That’s what really kills me. Sure, molestation is probably pretty common amongst severely sex education deprived young people. I confess that while Josh’s behavior was execrable, the way he was being brought up make his initial offenses seem possilbly marginally forgivable (…..maybe……I like to give young people the benefit of the doubt. I can imagine that the kind of exploration so many kids engage in when they are 6 or 7 was so FORBIDDEN in his experience that he did not even dare to experience that until he was 14!——-maybe….)

However, his continued adult hypocrisy in chastising the gay community for transgressions that he himself committed is unspeakably vile.


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