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1 psddluva4evah  Jun 3, 2015 7:35:16pm

Glad u and others watched it so I don’t have to.

I mean…so this makes it okay Jim Bob…ugh!

2 Charles Johnson  Jun 3, 2015 7:35:44pm

They knew.

3 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 7:35:49pm

And the sad part is that these two will likely walking away convinced that they’ve helped their case, that the interview went swimmingly, and nobody who watched it could come away thinking anything other than they’re the real “victims” in all of this.

I can’t wait to see what Friday will bring.

4 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 3, 2015 7:35:55pm

I am not going to watch. As a parent and teacher, I find the Duggars’ lack of awareness or contrition disgusting.

5 electrotek  Jun 3, 2015 7:36:54pm

They make me sick, along with Megyn Kelly. I hate her so much.

6 Charles Johnson  Jun 3, 2015 7:37:01pm
7 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 3, 2015 7:37:47pm
Maybe the most horrible thing about this horrible interview: they claim the girls molested by Josh Duggar “didn’t know that anything happened.”

Well, they do now, you fucknugget!

8 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 3, 2015 7:38:00pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

It’s possible the girls lied to their parents, too.

9 BeachDem  Jun 3, 2015 7:38:10pm
10 Charles Johnson  Jun 3, 2015 7:38:15pm
11 psddluva4evah  Jun 3, 2015 7:38:37pm

Again, I don’t think this will do what they think it will.

IDK since this isn’t LIVE, could Megyn Kelly and Faux News been working as a “trojan horse” so to speak. Cause this interview just blew the lid open

12 Charles Johnson  Jun 3, 2015 7:38:45pm

re: #8 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It’s possible the girls lied to their parents, too.

And if so, the parents knew they were lying.

13 stpaulbear  Jun 3, 2015 7:39:02pm
14 EPR-radar  Jun 3, 2015 7:39:43pm

Of course the girls knew. However, in the Duggar cult it may well have been best for the girls to claim to not know anything happened, to be spared an inquisition into how their behavior was a temptation to the abuser.

15 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 3, 2015 7:39:58pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

And if so, the parents knew they were lying.

Yeah. They heard what they wanted to hear, and didn’t press the issue.

16 Drive By Commenter  Jun 3, 2015 7:39:59pm

Pop needs a punch in the mouth and Jr needs to be thrown down a flight of stairs.

17 Charles Johnson  Jun 3, 2015 7:41:03pm
18 Great White Snark  Jun 3, 2015 7:41:26pm
19 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 3, 2015 7:42:23pm

This is worse that watching a beheading video.

20 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 3, 2015 7:42:38pm

Does anybody here believe that Josh wasn’t just following in Jim Bob’s footsteps?

21 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 3, 2015 7:43:46pm

I suspect counselors and psychs will be able to use this interview as an example of family denial of molestation.

22 b_sharp  Jun 3, 2015 7:44:03pm

It doesn’t matter if the girls knew or not, this isn’t about them, this is about the mental state of Josh when he fondled them. That he did it when they were asleep just means he knew it was wrong.

He knew the girls would say no, because they believed it wrong or that they would tell someone else it was happening because they believed it wrong.

23 TedStriker  Jun 3, 2015 7:44:07pm

re: #20 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Does anybody here believe that Josh wasn’t just following in Jim Bob’s footsteps?

You thinking the apple didn’t fall far from the tree? It wouldn’t surprise me one damn bit with that crowd.

24 Gus  Jun 3, 2015 7:45:33pm
25 Drive By Commenter  Jun 3, 2015 7:48:19pm

It was a nice night of noose knitting on Fox News…..Megyn Kelly needs to take a good look at her soul. That is if she has a shred left.
re: #24 Gus

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It’s OK. She was asleep…

26 Charles Johnson  Jun 3, 2015 7:48:56pm
27 Gus  Jun 3, 2015 7:49:04pm

re: #25 Drive By Commenter

It was a nice night of noose knitting on Fox News…..Megyn Kelly needs to take a good look at her soul. That is if she has a shred left.

It’s OK. She was asleep…

Dr. Ruth?

28 Dave In Austin  Jun 3, 2015 7:49:19pm
29 Drive By Commenter  Jun 3, 2015 7:50:35pm

re: #27 Gus

Dr. Ruth?

Dr Duggar. He’s a genius.

30 Charles Johnson  Jun 3, 2015 7:50:48pm

re: #28 Dave In Austin

“Our son’s heart had gone astray?”

No, I think it was a different organ that went horribly “astray.”

31 ObserverArt  Jun 3, 2015 7:51:48pm

A ton of good fundie Christians have been going on about their disgust with Bruce becoming Caitlyn Jenner.

I wonder how they are going to deal with the disgust of their own in this case. Jenner is not hurting anyone.

Here they were worried about LGBT people turning into creepy molesters and look what you have in your own home. Actual deviancy. Yes deviant. Like the deviant ‘devil’ found in fundie thinking.

And if it is being hinted this happens a lot in these types of Quiverfull families, then we are getting into the whole issues the Catholic church has had with pedophile priests. Acceptance and long looking the other way.

This is not going to go down easy.

32 goddamnedfrank  Jun 3, 2015 7:51:55pm
33 Gus  Jun 3, 2015 7:52:06pm

re: #29 Drive By Commenter

Dr Duggar. He’s a genius.

Dr. Gas Drugs

34 Drive By Commenter  Jun 3, 2015 7:52:57pm

re: #33 Gus

Dr. Gas Drugs

Dr. Nocturnal. Here, take this…

35 BeachDem  Jun 3, 2015 7:53:36pm
36 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 7:54:10pm

If the world were just, whatever good will Megyn Kelly has built up for past confrontational interviews disappeared in a puff a smoke with this interview. But I don’t doubt that the next time she has a stopped clock moment and gives a conservative the third degree, we’ll hear again about what a “tough” interviewer she is.

37 The Ghost of a Bikini Shank  Jun 3, 2015 7:55:14pm

I find it really interesting that this precedes their entire reality show.

Which kind of suggests that the whole thing was artifice, above and beyond the normal degree that reality TV is artifice.

38 Drive By Commenter  Jun 3, 2015 7:55:24pm

re: #35 BeachDem

Oh man is she laying on the leather. “HE’S DOWN!”

39 b.d.  Jun 3, 2015 7:55:30pm

Did FoxNews expect their rubes viewers to buy this?

It doesn’t sound like they, or anybody, did.

40 teleskiguy  Jun 3, 2015 7:55:36pm
41 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 7:55:59pm

re: #32 goddamnedfrank

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Soros yeah not basic human decency.

42 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 7:56:37pm

re: #37 The Ghost of a Flea

I find it really interesting that this precedes their entire reality show.

Which kind of suggests that the whole thing was artifice, above and beyond the normal degree that reality TV is artifice.

That to me makes it all the more horrible.

43 EPR-radar  Jun 3, 2015 7:56:55pm

re: #13 stpaulbear

re: #35 BeachDem

Mrs. Bowers is dropping one Earth-shattering Ka-Boom after another on twitter.

44 Tigger2  Jun 3, 2015 7:57:11pm

re: #28 Dave In Austin

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Jim and Michelle Dugger are despicable and if Megyn continues to help them try and smooth this over she is just as despicable.

45 Drive By Commenter  Jun 3, 2015 7:58:05pm

re: #43 EPR-radar

The Duggars are in their corner telling Mick to cut them so they can see.

46 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 7:58:41pm

re: #39 b.d.

Did FoxNews expect their rubes viewers to buy this?

It doesn’t sound like they, or anybody, did.

There will still be those who defend them and try to play down or just outright ignore this interview. Except those parts that they can use without issue, like Jim Bob talking about how he intends to sue the woman who released the report. These two probably really do believe that the sheriff should have dove on that grenade for them.

47 A Cranky One  Jun 3, 2015 7:58:58pm

Chicago wins game 1 of the Stanley Cup Finals. Mrs Cranky is happy.

48 psddluva4evah  Jun 3, 2015 7:59:27pm
49 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 7:59:35pm

re: #31 ObserverArt

A ton of good fundie Christians have been going on about their disgust with Bruce becoming Caitlyn Jenner.

I wonder how they are going to deal with the disgust of their own in this case. Jenner is not hurting anyone.

Here they were worried about LGBT people turning into creepy molesters and look what you have in your own home. Actual deviancy. Yes deviant. Like the deviant ‘devil’ found in fundie thinking.

And if it is being hinted this happens a lot in these types of Quiverfull families, then we are getting into the whole issues the Catholic church has had with pedophile priests. Acceptance and long looking the other way.

This is not going to go down easy.

That may be after the assaults themselves what pisses me off the most about this. They continued to spread lie after lie about LGBT people knowing that their son was doing the very thing they accuse LGBT people of doing.

50 Drive By Commenter  Jun 3, 2015 7:59:58pm

re: #47 A Cranky One

Chicago wins game 1 of the Stanley Cup Finals. Mrs Cranky is happy.

Like I said…The longer it’s a one goal game it’s good for the Hawks. Ultimate hang around team.

51 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 8:01:06pm

re: #36 Targetpractice

If the world were just, whatever good will Megyn Kelly has built up for past confrontational interviews disappeared in a puff a smoke with this interview. But I don’t doubt that the next time she has a stopped clock moment and gives a conservative the third degree, we’ll hear again about what a “tough” interviewer she is.

Oh of course.

52 EPR-radar  Jun 3, 2015 8:01:39pm

re: #36 Targetpractice

If the world were just, whatever good will Megyn Kelly has built up for past confrontational interviews disappeared in a puff a smoke with this interview. But I don’t doubt that the next time she has a stopped clock moment and gives a conservative the third degree, we’ll hear again about what a “tough” interviewer she is.

The good doesn’t erase the bad, and the bad doesn’t erase the good. That bit about “is this the math you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better?” remains on-record as a evergreen source of entertainment.

Although I don’t think the Republican math business was on-message for Fox News, while it would appear that the Duggar interview is on-message.

53 b.d.  Jun 3, 2015 8:01:40pm

So the Honey Boo Boo and her mom got their show yanked from TLC for the mom hanging around a child abuser, a guy who never was on the show, but the Duggars get to keep their TLC show even though one of the stars molested children?

Yep, sounds like Honey Boo Boo’s mom does have a case and I am ashamed that I know any of this.

54 ObserverArt  Jun 3, 2015 8:01:55pm

re: #39 b.d.

Did FoxNews expect their rubes viewers to buy this?

It doesn’t sound like they, or anybody, did.

Arrogance at its best.

I hope it becomes a “jump the shark” moment.

I can only hope.

55 Gus  Jun 3, 2015 8:02:32pm

He was unarmed.

56 bratwurst  Jun 3, 2015 8:04:19pm

Want some insight into the mentality of people still supporting the Duggars?

57 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 8:05:04pm

re: #55 Gus

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He was unarmed.

No doubt it was his fault, probably made the cop feel scared.

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58 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 8:05:58pm

re: #56 bratwurst

Want some insight into the mentality of people still supporting the Duggars?

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Oh, sure they have standards. They have a problem with child molesters if they’re gay. But if they’re family, then it was “bad choices.”

59 Drive By Commenter  Jun 3, 2015 8:06:53pm

Maybe the Duggars will have to move and go under Federal protection…..Change their family name….Diddlers….The Diddlers from Paducah.. ..Yeah.

60 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 8:07:31pm

re: #56 bratwurst

Want some insight into the mentality of people still supporting the Duggars?

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Yeah they have standards in that they tolerate child abuse and we don’t. You got us liberals Bill. How did you figure it out? //

61 teleskiguy  Jun 3, 2015 8:07:38pm

re: #56 bratwurst

62 psddluva4evah  Jun 3, 2015 8:07:53pm

I am noticing the news org twitter acct now leading with some sort of “Duggars admit son Josh molested/touched sisters”

so there’s a change. so far nothing but the most staunch defenders are still clinging to Christian persecution.

63 stpaulbear  Jun 3, 2015 8:08:35pm

re: #55 Gus

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He was unarmed.

So when do we reach the point that the US is somewhere that foreigners just don’t want to visit any more?

64 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 3, 2015 8:08:38pm

re: #40 teleskiguy

A perfect example of why we must have a la carte programming.

65 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 8:08:51pm

re: #58 Targetpractice

Oh, sure they have standards. They have a problem with child molesters if they’re gay. But if they’re family, then it was “bad choices.”

Pretty much. This really is why modern conservatism is an ideological cult in a nutshell. Instead of being mad at the Duggars for condoning child molestation in their home and throwing their daughters to the wolf, this asshole is whining about the left and how the Duggars are still morally superior to the “left.”

66 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 8:10:25pm

Go Team Conservative Go!//

67 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 8:11:00pm

re: #63 stpaulbear

So when do we reach the point that the US is somewhere that foreigners just don’t want to visit any more?

Usually when a country sees this many deaths involving the authorities killing unarmed civilians on a weekly basis, the State Department issues a travel warning.

68 EPR-radar  Jun 3, 2015 8:13:05pm

re: #56 bratwurst

So, what’s the median expected time until we see a prominent US conservative media type support child molestation on the grounds that it pisses off liberals?

In an uncharacteristic fit of optimism, I’ll guess that we’re at least 20 years away from something this farcical and horrible.

69 Gus  Jun 3, 2015 8:13:58pm

That was weird.

70 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 8:14:19pm

re: #68 EPR-radar

So, what’s the median expected time until we see a prominent US conservative media type support child molestation on the grounds that it pisses off liberals?

In an uncharacteristic fit of optimism, I’ll guess that we’re at least 20 years away from something this farcical and horrible.

I don’t even want to think about that but it seems to me that some conservatives will defend anything because “it pisses off liberals.” This isn’t even really an ideology. Ht’s that they hate liberals and their beliefs are based on how much they hate us.

71 Lidane  Jun 3, 2015 8:14:35pm

The fact that these disgusting freaks are on television giving their rehearsed sob story instead of serving time for covering up their son’s felonies is sickening.

The Duggars should have automatically lost custody of their remaining minor children after it was revealed that they’d covered up for their oldest son’s molestation of his sisters. They’re clearly unfit to take care of children.

They spent more time breeding for Jesus instead of raising the kids they were popping out like PEZ candies. Maybe if they’d actually been parents instead of breeders their son wouldn’t have molested his four younger sisters.

72 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 8:14:53pm

re: #68 EPR-radar

So, what’s the median expected time until we see a prominent US conservative media type support child molestation on the grounds that it pisses off liberals?

In an uncharacteristic fit of optimism, I’ll guess that we’re at least 20 years away from something this farcical and horrible.

I’d say I was waiting for someone to come forward and suggest we’re hating on the Duggars for their “religious beliefs,” but I’ve no doubt that that sort of shit started up on twitter within minutes of the initial info hitting the airwaves.

73 makeitstop  Jun 3, 2015 8:15:22pm

re: #24 Gus

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The reason these assholes want people to stop having sex is they apparently want it all for themselves. Creeps.

74 teleskiguy  Jun 3, 2015 8:15:32pm

This whole sad and sordid Duggar family fiasco has made me angry and sad. And even after all that’s been revealed, there’s still millions of rubes who take the Duggar family at face value.

75 ObserverArt  Jun 3, 2015 8:15:40pm

Just goes to show what you are capable of doing when you are in the good graces of your lord.

You can have a good heart.

And forget all about the black souls.

Later…enough disgust for tonight. Fallout watching tomorrow.

/ nothing meant against good Christians. I hope you get the tone.

76 EPR-radar  Jun 3, 2015 8:15:43pm

re: #67 Targetpractice

Usually when a country sees this many deaths involving the authorities killing unarmed civilians on a weekly basis, the State Department issues a travel warning.

That would make a hell of a petition to whitehouse.gov (if they are still doing that).

Something like this might work: A petition for the US state department to include domestic locations in its travel advisories relating to unsafe conditions due to acts by local authorities.

77 electrotek  Jun 3, 2015 8:15:59pm

re: #55 Gus

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He was unarmed.

And brown and Muslim too.

Christ, that could have been me since I’ve done some fucked up shit dealing with drugs in my teens. Hits a little close to home for me.

78 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 3, 2015 8:16:07pm

Texas inmate, 67, executed for slayings 31 years ago

I knew one of the victims, Philip Good. He was just 29 years old. I won’t waste any sympathy on the man who killed him and who finally went to the death chamber today. Even so, if the State of Texas can kill this POS they can kill others. The state is utterly corrupt and they cannot be trusted with that kind of power. Even if they were not corrupt they are not infallible. Better to have let the old bastard rot in prison till he shuffles off to hell on his own.

79 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 3, 2015 8:17:46pm

Hello and good night. I see that the Duggars managed to show the rest of the world just how awful they are.

I’m really hoping that something comes out that there can at least be some kind of legal proceedings brought against them. Probably too much to hope for. Perhaps the family of the child that wasn’t his sister will file a civil suit, but given the insular nature of that particular sub-sect of Christianity, it’s highly unlikely.

RBS

80 makeitstop  Jun 3, 2015 8:17:47pm

re: #35 BeachDem

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Betty’s on a roll tonight.

81 The Ghost of a Bikini Shank  Jun 3, 2015 8:18:05pm

What I really hope comes out of this is that people actually look, in depth, at what ATI and similar groups believe—and teach—about family issues.

Because this particular incident of molestation, and how it was dealt with and explained away, is the tip of the iceberg of gross, dehumanizing shit that ATI presents as ideal and pious.

82 Dark_Falcon  Jun 3, 2015 8:18:13pm

re: #16 Drive By Commenter

Pop needs a punch in the mouth and Jr needs to be thrown down a flight of stairs.

I’d like to strap both enabler father and molester son to chairs, gagged with their eyes taped open, and make them spend two hours listening to Richard Dawkins prove that their creationist ideas are a load of crap.

Naturally, Mr. Dawkins would do so from behind protective glass, since the bone splinters from wingnut head explosions can inflict injury.

83 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 8:19:25pm

re: #81 The Ghost of a Flea

What I really hope comes out of this is that people actually look, in depth, at what ATI and similar groups believe—and teach—about family issues.

Because this particular incident of molestation, and how it was dealt with and explained away, is the tip of the iceberg of gross, dehumanizing shit that ATI presents as ideal and pious.

I hope so.

84 EPR-radar  Jun 3, 2015 8:21:03pm

re: #81 The Ghost of a Flea

What I really hope comes out of this is that people actually look, in depth, at what ATI and similar groups believe—and teach—about family issues.

Because this particular incident of molestation, and how it was dealt with and explained away, is the tip of the iceberg of gross, dehumanizing shit that ATI presents as ideal and pious.

Rarely is the iceberg metaphor more accurate than for something like this. Extreme patriarchal religious cults are pretty much always chock-full of rape, child abuse and child sexual abuse.

Edited to add: Furthermore, these cults also do a great deal of damage with their ‘teachings’ that women are lesser beings, even in cases where no crime is committed.

85 teleskiguy  Jun 3, 2015 8:23:05pm
86 stpaulbear  Jun 3, 2015 8:23:28pm

re: #70 HappyWarrior

I don’t even want to think about that but it seems to me that some conservatives will defend anything because “it pisses off liberals.” This isn’t even really an ideology. Ht’s that they hate liberals and their beliefs are based on how much they hate us.

Over at Balloon Juice they’ve been referring to it as ‘Cleek’s Law’ for many years:

Today’s conservatism is the opposite of what liberals want today: updated daily.

It’s simple and it’s stood the test of time really well.

87 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 8:24:13pm

re: #86 stpaulbear

Over at Balloon Juice they’ve been referring to it as ‘Cleek’s Law’ for many years:

It’s simple and it’s stood the test of time really well.

I like that.

88 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 8:27:46pm

I do notice, upon reviewing, something that was commented on earlier, which is it looks like Michelle keeps looking to Jim Bob as if to ask “Is that what you wanted me to say, honey?”

89 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 3, 2015 8:28:47pm

Where is all that “spare the rod” crap fundies invoke when they get caught beating children? Why didn’t Jim Bob beat the shit out of the little pissant? I’m not endorsing corporal punishment, mind you, but there is no doubt at all that the Duggars themselves support it.
I just see this as yet another glaring inconsistency in fundy standards.

90 teleskiguy  Jun 3, 2015 8:29:34pm

re: #88 Targetpractice

I do notice, upon reviewing, something that was commented on earlier, which is it looks like Michelle keeps looking to Jim Bob as if to ask “Is that what you wanted me to say, honey?”

Totally. She’s not an autonomous human being by any stretch of the imagination.

91 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 3, 2015 8:29:49pm

Here’s a thought exercise: would Fox be expending all of their airtime and resources if the Duggars were not white?

Chew on that one.

92 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 3, 2015 8:30:22pm

re: #91 Eric The Fruit Bat

Here’s a thought exercise: would Fox be expending all of their airtime and resources if the Duggars were not white?

Chew on that one.

Or Muslims.

93 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 8:31:08pm

re: #89 Shiplord Kirel

Where is all that “spare the rod” crap fundies invoke when they get caught beating children? Why didn’t Jim Bob beat the shit out of the little pissant? I’m not endorsing corporal punishment, mind you but there is no doubt at all that the Duggars themselves support it.
I just see this as yet another glaring inconsistency in fundy standards.

He ran on capital punishment for child molesters too. Not that I advocate that but it’s funny how the rhetoric differs from the reality where it took him long to even bother contacting the police.

94 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 8:31:32pm

re: #91 Eric The Fruit Bat

Here’s a thought exercise: would Fox be expending all of their airtime and resources if the Duggars were not white?

Chew on that one.

Gutfield had a stopped clock moment earlier today by asking aloud if conservatives would be defending the Duggars if they were Muslims and members of CAIR. I think we all know that the answer is no, they wouldn’t have even agreed to the idea of them having a TV show. All-American Muslim proved that wingnuts will not abide any program that shows Muslims in a positive light.

95 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 8:31:37pm

re: #92 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Or Muslims.

Or a liberal same sex couple

96 Gus  Jun 3, 2015 8:32:08pm
97 William Lewis  Jun 3, 2015 8:32:09pm

re: #91 Eric The Fruit Bat

Here’s a thought exercise: would Fox be expending all of their airtime and resources if the Duggars were not white?

Chew on that one.

Possibly - if it suited their need to make a “christian persecution” case. After all, look how much support they give to certain GOP presidential candidates.

But the damage level for “cut and run” would be far lower.

Now off to work. Later lizards.

98 Dark_Falcon  Jun 3, 2015 8:32:18pm

re: #85 teleskiguy

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Retweeted. I’d been prepared to grant Jim Bob Duggar some sympathy when this first came out, but his performance tonight has convinced me he deserves none. His primary concern was to keep his son out of trouble, and at he pursued that goal at the expense of his daughters. That is not the action of a good and loving father; It is the action of a man who values appearances and his ‘heir’ above all else.

I will, however, continue to have sympathy for the Duggar children other than Josh, since they’ve been trapped in a system not of their design.

99 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 8:34:10pm

re: #98 Dark_Falcon

Retweeted. I’d been prepared to grant Jim Bob Duggar some sympathy when this first came out, but his performance tonight has convinced me he deserves none. His primary concern was to keep his son out of trouble, and at he pursued that goal at the expense of his daughters. That is not the action of a good and loving father; It is the action of a man who values appearances and his ‘heir’ above all else.

I will, however, continue to have sympathy for the Duggar children other than Josh, since they’ve been trapped in a system not of their design.

Think sympathy for the 18 children is a given here, after all they’ve had to live with these monsters:

100 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 3, 2015 8:37:57pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

“Our son’s heart had gone astray?”

No, I think it was a different organ that went horribly “astray.”

10 fingers that sure as fuck went astray…

101 makeitstop  Jun 3, 2015 8:38:26pm

re: #93 HappyWarrior

He ran on capital punishment for child molesters too. Not that I advocate that but it’s funny how the rhetoric differs from the reality where it took him long to even bother contacting the police.

At the time all of this was going on, he was running for office and starting to negotiate a TV deal.

There was a lot riding on people not knowing about this.

Jim Bob covered up for his son and tossed his 4 daughters under a goddamned bus so as not to jeopardize his aspirations.

What a good Christian man.
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102 The Ghost of a Bikini Shank  Jun 3, 2015 8:38:38pm

re: #99 HappyWarrior

Think sympathy for the 18 children is a given here, after all they’ve had to live with these monsters:

Fucking blanket training.

Yes, there are worse things in the world; things that cause more death and pain. But intentionally inflicting pain on a baby just able to crawl to “teach” it obedience?

Disgusting. More disgusting if you’ve actually study the psychology of punishment as conditioning mechanism.

103 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 8:38:51pm

Jim Bob is a monster. I even feel for Michelle a little bit too since a woman being outspoken in this culture probably does not get treated too kindly to say the least.

104 teleskiguy  Jun 3, 2015 8:39:15pm

re: #98 Dark_Falcon

Just saw that. My thanks.

The children in this whole fucked up quiverfull of arrows we all know as the Duggar family are the ones I feel for the most. For the same reason you describe (system not of their own design) and more - they’ve been robbed of their minds, the beauty of free inquiry and self-expression, and in the cases of molestation, their sexuality and sense of security as well.

The whole thing is really quite disgusting. And I’m not really seeing a circling of the wagons, as it were.

105 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 8:39:17pm

All-American Muslim got shit-canned by TLC after a single season because the wingnuts went nuts over the idea of a TV series that portrayed Muslims in a positive light and scared advertisers into pulling their ads from the show.

Then they yanked the plug on Here Comes Honey Boo Boo within hours of pictures of the mother in the company of an ex-boyfriend who’d gone to prison for child molestation going public.

But 19 Kids has been on the air for 10 seasons and the most that TLC has done in light of the Duggars basically admitting that Josh was molesting his own sisters is pull reruns from their TV schedule until further notice.

A truly bizarre hill upon which to die, TLC.

106 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 3, 2015 8:40:05pm

re: #31 ObserverArt

A ton of good fundie Christians have been going on about their disgust with Bruce becoming Caitlyn Jenner.

I wonder how they are going to deal with the disgust of their own in this case. Jenner is not hurting anyone.

Here they were worried about LGBT people turning into creepy molesters and look what you have in your own home. Actual deviancy. Yes deviant. Like the deviant ‘devil’ found in fundie thinking.

And if it is being hinted this happens a lot in these types of Quiverfull families, then we are getting into the whole issues the Catholic church has had with pedophile priests. Acceptance and long looking the other way.

This is not going to go down easy.

The fundies think trans women are part of the general deviancy of America. See, if Caitlyn Jenner wasn’t having dirty thoughts about being a wimmin folk, Josh would never have touched his sisters.

107 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 8:41:22pm

re: #102 The Ghost of a Flea

Fucking blanket training.

Yes, there are worse things in the world; things that cause more death and pain. But intentionally inflicting pain on a baby just able to crawl to “teach” it obedience?

Disgusting. More disgusting if you’ve actually study the psychology of punishment as conditioning mechanism.

What the fuck is wrong with these people? Oh man you have no idea how mad this makes me. If someone did that to my niece, I’d probably go nuts and beat them as hard as I could. I am not a violent person at all but there’s a special place in my contempt for people like this.

108 EPR-radar  Jun 3, 2015 8:41:37pm

re: #102 The Ghost of a Flea

Fucking blanket training.

Yes, there are worse things in the world; things that cause more death and pain. But intentionally inflicting pain on a baby just able to crawl to “teach” it obedience?

Disgusting. More disgusting if you’ve actually study the psychology of punishment as conditioning mechanism.

That’s just hideous. There really is no bottom when it comes to regressive social attitudes.

109 makeitstop  Jun 3, 2015 8:42:12pm

re: #105 Targetpractice

All-American Muslim got shit-canned by TLC after a single season because the wingnuts went nuts over the idea of a TV series that portrayed Muslims in a positive light and scared advertisers into pulling their ads from the show.

Then they yanked the plug on Here Comes Honey Boo Boo within hours of pictures of the mother in the company of an ex-boyfriend who’d gone to prison for child molestation going public.

But 19 Kids has been on the air for 10 seasons and the most that TLC has done in light of the Duggars basically admitting that Josh was molesting his own sisters is pull reruns from their TV schedule until further notice.

A truly bizarre hill upon which to die, TLC.

I’m wondering why TLC gets involved with so many fucking child molesters. Let’s not forget that ‘Sons of Guns’ guy, either.

What the hell is going on over at Discovery, anyway?

110 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 8:43:14pm

re: #101 makeitstop

At the time all of this was going on, he was running for office and starting to negotiate a TV deal.

There was a lot riding on people not knowing about this.

Jim Bob covered up for his son and tossed his 4 daughters under a goddamned bus so as not to jeopardize his aspirations.

What a good Christian man.
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He’s a scumbag. He may be the worst actor in this whole fucked up story. Not that what Josh did wasn’t horrible as it most certainly was but Jim Bob. Man I don’t even know the word for a man like this.

111 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 3, 2015 8:43:44pm

Charles, did you happen to catch this radio interview with UpChuck?
johnandleahshow.com

He’s at the end of hour 2, and beginning of hour 3. EDITED: Chuck is not in hour 3, thankfully.

Chuck’s playing the “free speech” angle again, and saying DeRay is a friend of George Soros and also with a Twitter founder, so THAT’S why Twitter kicked Chuck off the platform.

I gather the John and Leah show is yet another RWNJ talk show.

112 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 3, 2015 8:44:14pm
113 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 3, 2015 8:44:39pm

re: #111 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Charles, did you happen to catch this radio interview with UpChuck?
johnandleahshow.com

He’s at the end of hour 2, and beginning of hour 3. Chuck’s playing the “free speech” angle again, and saying DeRay is a friend of George Soros and also with a Twitter founder, so THAT’S why Twitter kicked Chuck off the platform.

I gather the John and Leah show is yet another RWNJ talk show.

Freeze peach!

114 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 8:47:08pm

Take away all the Duggars children under the age of 18. I fucking mean it.

115 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 3, 2015 8:48:01pm

re: #103 HappyWarrior

Jim Bob is a monster. I even feel for Michelle a little bit too since a woman being outspoken in this culture probably does not get treated too kindly to say the least.

From what I hve read, Jim Bob was wired in tight with the political machine in Arkansas for some time, and he is not the only Quiverfull batshit crazy idiot in that group. Josh was “betrothed” to another politicians daughter until the molestation issue came out and the pol (and Jim Bob) blamed “sexual sin” for the guy noting getting elected. That destroyed the betrothal.

Remember this is 21st century America.

116 Dark_Falcon  Jun 3, 2015 8:48:55pm

re: #106 Aunty Entity Dragon

The fundies think trans women are part of the general deviancy of America. See, if Caitlyn Jenner wasn’t having dirty thoughts about being a wimmin folk, Josh would never have touched his sisters.

Well, the Duggar’s sole remaining political friend managed to slather on the creepsauce regarding Caitlyn Jenner (Yes, I know its NRO, but it’s hard to say this one better):

Hey Huckabee — Maybe Don’t Suggest That You’re a Sexual Predator

The debate over whether or not people should be able to pick which bathrooms and locker rooms they use based on their self-reported gender identity often centers around one issue: whether or not it would put the girls in these spaces at risk.

Those against the idea argue that if all a man had to do was simply say he identified as a woman in order to gain access to these spaces, voyeuristic sexual predators would have license to spy on all the naked girls they wanted — leaving the girls with no defense against these kind of terrible people.

Those in favor of the policy, however, maintain that it’s ignorant and offensive to associate the transgender community with the kind of people who would engage in such despicable behavior. They’re just trying to pee!

Now, notice that both sides accept the same premise: A man who would pretend to be a woman to look at innocent girls naked is a bad person.

So just one question: Why on earth would Governor Huckabee think it was a good move to suggest, even jokingly, that he is one of these people?

Bolding mine. Seriously, saying shit like that makes me wonder if his standing by the Duggars has an additional, even worse, dimension to it.

117 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 8:49:08pm

re: #115 Aunty Entity Dragon

From what I hve read, Jim Bob was wired in tight with the political machine in Arkansas for some time, and he is not the only Quiverfull batshit crazy idiot in that group. Josh was “betrothed” to another politicians daughter until the molestation issue came out and the pol (and Jim Bob) blamed “sexual sin” for the guy noting getting elected. That destroyed the betrothal.

Remember this is 21st century America.

Not surprised unfortunately but yeah the Duggars campaigned for Cuccinnelli here in Virginia a a couple years back.

118 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 3, 2015 8:49:16pm

re: #109 makeitstop

SNIP

What the hell is going on over at Discovery, anyway?

They had to shitcan Kari, Grant, and Tory off Mythbusters to save money to pay the Duggars….

119 psddluva4evah  Jun 3, 2015 8:49:31pm
120 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 8:50:16pm

re: #118 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

They had to shitcan Kari, Grant, and Tory off Mythbusters to save money to pay the Duggars….

And that was actually an educational show. Sigh.

121 Jay in Oregon  Jun 3, 2015 8:50:20pm

I’m so old, I remember when Fox News thought child predators were so bad, they pretended they were liberals:

crooksandliars.com

122 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 8:50:48pm

re: #121 Jay in Oregon

I’m so old, I remember when Fox News thought child predators were so bad, they pretended they were liberals:

crooksandliars.com

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Heh my how times change.

123 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 8:52:30pm

re: #115 Aunty Entity Dragon

From what I hve read, Jim Bob was wired in tight with the political machine in Arkansas for some time, and he is not the only Quiverfull batshit crazy idiot in that group. Josh was “betrothed” to another politicians daughter until the molestation issue came out and the pol (and Jim Bob) blamed “sexual sin” for the guy noting getting elected. That destroyed the betrothal.

Remember this is 21st century America.

Arkansas, the same state that gave us a state legislator who pawned off his adopted daughters to a child molester because he was convinced the girls were “possessed,” then whined about how he was the victim of a “conspiracy” by CPS. What the fuck is in the water down there?

124 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 3, 2015 8:53:35pm

re: #119 psddluva4evah

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Every time I see a picture of Ted Cruz I think of the “Rodents of Unusual Size” from The Princess Bride.

125 Lidane  Jun 3, 2015 8:56:38pm

re: #114 HappyWarrior

Take away all the Duggars children under the age of 18. I fucking mean it.

I’ve been saying that for ages.

In a just world, Jim Bob and Michelle would’ve immediately lost custody of all their remaining children when it was revealed that Josh had repeatedly molested four of his younger sisters and they looked the other way for years.

126 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 8:56:42pm

re: #124 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Every time I see a picture of Ted Cruz I think of the “Rodents of Unusual Size” from The Princess Bride.

I think of a bastard child of Joe McCarthy and Grandpa Munster.

127 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 8:57:31pm

re: #125 Lidane

I’ve been saying that for ages.

In a just world, the revelation that Jim Bob and Michelle would’ve immediately lost custody of all their remaining children when it was revealed that Josh had repeatedly molested four of his younger sisters and they looked the other way for years.

In an even juster world, I’d like to take all their assets that they earned from the show and donate it to a foundation that helps abused kids.

128 makeitstop  Jun 3, 2015 8:59:19pm

re: #118 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

They had to shitcan Kari, Grant, and Tory off Mythbusters to save money to pay the Duggars….

For real?

That sucks.

129 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 3, 2015 8:59:54pm

re: #120 HappyWarrior

And that was actually an educational show. Sigh.

Getting rid of them killed the show for me.

130 makeitstop  Jun 3, 2015 9:00:50pm

re: #123 Targetpractice

Arkansas, the same state that gave us a state legislator who pawned off his adopted daughters to a child molester because he was convinced the girls were “possessed,” then whined about how he was the victim of a “conspiracy” by CPS. What the fuck is in the water down there?

What was that guy’s name again?

I’m wondering if he was buds with Jim Bob…

131 dholmes32  Jun 3, 2015 9:01:17pm

I hate these two. I’d like to smack the tar out of both of them. I was molested by a high schooler only slightly older than Josh Dugger way back in the late 1960s. Yeah, it’s still there, you two prize winning asshats, F*** them.

Sorry to be so angry, but back in the 1960s, there wasn’t the emphasis on child abuse as there has been in the last couple of decades. These two knew or should have known better and FAILED TO PROTECT THEIR DAUGHTERS. And now they’re parading the daughters around on Friday. F*** that noise.

132 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 9:02:53pm

re: #131 dholmes32

I hate these two. I’d like to smack the tar out of both of them. I was molested by a high schooler only slightly older than Josh Dugger way back in the late 1960s. Yeah, it’s still there, you two prize winning asshats, F*** them.

Sorry to be so angry, but back in the 1960s, there wasn’t the emphasis on child abuse as there has been in the last couple of decades. These two knew or should have known better and FAILED TO PROTECT THEIR DAUGHTERS. And now they’re parading the daughters around on Friday. F*** that noise.

You have nothing to be sorry about. Nothing. Your anger at them is 100% right on.

133 Gus  Jun 3, 2015 9:03:10pm
134 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 9:03:27pm

re: #130 makeitstop

What was that guy’s name again?

I’m wondering if he was buds with Jim Bob…

Justin Harris.

135 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 9:03:42pm

re: #133 Gus

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Luke Kelly had such a beautiful voice.

136 missliberties  Jun 3, 2015 9:04:31pm

Did someone say cult?

The underlying tone, Jesus has forgiven our daughters for being so sexually attractive to their brother.

Christian family values.

137 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 3, 2015 9:04:48pm

re: #123 Targetpractice

Arkansas, the same state that gave us a state legislator who pawned off his adopted daughters to a child molester because he was convinced the girls were “possessed,” then whined about how he was the victim of a “conspiracy” by CPS. What the fuck is in the water down there?

In Texas, fundyism is a cancer. In Arkansas, it’s an STD.

138 Gus  Jun 3, 2015 9:05:25pm

No shit my friends.

139 missliberties  Jun 3, 2015 9:05:31pm

re: #110 HappyWarrior

He’s a scumbag. He may be the worst actor in this whole fucked up story. Not that what Josh did wasn’t horrible as it most certainly was but Jim Bob. Man I don’t even know the word for a man like this.

He has a guilty look in his eyes. Maybe he molested his daughters too?

140 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 9:05:56pm

re: #139 missliberties

He has a guilty look in his eyes. Maybe he molested his daughters too?

Nothing would shock me at this point.

141 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 3, 2015 9:07:30pm

re: #128 makeitstop

For real?

That sucks.

And to give their CEO a raise to $156,000,000.

142 teleskiguy  Jun 3, 2015 9:08:42pm

re: #113 Aunty Entity Dragon

I’ll follow you if you follow me.

@teleskiguy
@Scottishlizard1

143 stpaulbear  Jun 3, 2015 9:12:30pm

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144 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 3, 2015 9:12:42pm

re: #142 teleskiguy

I’ll follow you if you follow me.

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145 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 3, 2015 9:13:28pm

re: #129 Aunty Entity Dragon

Getting rid of them killed the show for me.

Same here.

146 The Ghost of a Bikini Shank  Jun 3, 2015 9:13:43pm

On other sites I’m seeing comments by people who read the reports released by InTouch, and are claiming that the Duggar’s answers in interview don’t match what’s in the police reports.

I haven’t read the original, primary source materials, so I can’t comment, but keep your eyes peeled.

147 EPR-radar  Jun 3, 2015 9:15:06pm

re: #124 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Every time I see a picture of Ted Cruz I think of the “Rodents of Unusual Size” from The Princess Bride.

I was thinking earlier today that Trey Gowdy resembles Zippy the Pinhead.

148 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 9:16:39pm

re: #146 The Ghost of a Flea

On other sites I’m seeing comments by people who read the reports released by InTouch, and are claiming that the Duggar’s answers in interview don’t match what’s in the police reports.

I haven’t read the original reports, so I can’t comment, but keep your eyes peeled.

Wouldn’t surprise me. The whole interview has the feeling of something performed from a script, that they’re saying what somebody else thinks will make them sound sincere and regretful, forgetting that Jim Bob seemed to think the only problem is that anybody outside the family found out about it.

149 makeitstop  Jun 3, 2015 9:17:46pm

I don’t know if this link has been posted here, but my wife (who has known about and loathed the Quiverfull cult for a long time now) said it’s a pretty good blog - No Longer Quivering

150 Kragar  Jun 3, 2015 9:17:53pm

Its people like the Duggars that make me wish that “The War on Christians” was a real thing

151 teleskiguy  Jun 3, 2015 9:18:18pm

So, who’s it gonna be in this game of chicken? Who’ll hit the follow button first, @teleskiguy or @Scottishlizard1? It’s a goddamned nailbiter, folks!

152 The Ghost of a Bikini Shank  Jun 3, 2015 9:19:22pm

re: #148 Targetpractice

This was a softball interview; plenty of time to lay down talking points uninterrupted.

ETA: at least theoretically. Some of the shit they said was just…not a good idea. Like that bit about “we talked to other people, and they said this happens a lot.”

The other thing I’ve seen, but can’t confirm, is that they’ve hired a handler: Chad Gallagher of Legacy Consulting.

153 Dark_Falcon  Jun 3, 2015 9:19:29pm

re: #146 The Ghost of a Flea

On other sites I’m seeing comments by people who read the reports released by InTouch, and are claiming that the Duggar’s answers in interview don’t match what’s in the police reports.

I haven’t read the original, primary source materials, so I can’t comment, but keep your eyes peeled.

InTouch isn’t always concerned with accuracy, as seen in their recent bit of stupidity about Caitlyn Jenner’s youngest daughter Kylie being pregnant. So it is possible they reported something without fact-checking in their rush to scoop the competition. Wouldn’t make Jim Bob or Josh Duggar stop being shitbirds, of course.

154 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 3, 2015 9:19:34pm

That final scene in Vera Cruz is so damned sad. Burt Lancaster’s character just cannot rid himself of the evil in his soul, and watching Ben Trane (Gary Cooper) having to gun down his friend (and seeing the anger and sorrow in his face) in wrenching…and then you see the aftermath of the Juarista attack on the French fort with hundreds of bodies strewn about and the women coming to search for their dead husbands.

155 EPR-radar  Jun 3, 2015 9:19:41pm

re: #148 Targetpractice

Wouldn’t surprise me. The whole interview has the feeling of something performed from a script, that they’re saying what somebody else thinks will make them sound sincere and regretful, forgetting that Jim Bob seemed to think the only problem is that anybody outside the family found out about it.

The difficulty with this theory is that a Fox-News provided script would not include an admission like in #13.

156 The Ghost of a Bikini Shank  Jun 3, 2015 9:21:49pm

re: #153 Dark_Falcon

InTouch isn’t always concerned with accuracy, as seen in their recent bit of stupidity about Caitlyn Jenner’s youngest daughter Kylie being pregnant. So it is possible they reported something without fact-checking in their rush to scoop the competition. Wouldn’t make Jim Bob or Josh Duggar stop being shitbirds, of course.

Mind you, I’m working at second- to third-hand distance, but folks aren’t saying “the InTouch article said”—they’re talking about the actual police report and interviews with victims.

157 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 3, 2015 9:22:13pm

re: #141 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

And to give their CEO a raise to $156,000,000.

A possible solution:

I know, I know, the RWNJ media will have a field day with the “socialist” label. I think Sanders should take that label and rub their faces in it. It might be a chance to educate the public about what the word really means, correcting decades of RWNJ misinformation and abuse. There are indications that he intends to do exactly that.

To really rub their faces in it, he should get an armored train like Strelnikov’s in Doctor Zhivago. To further educate the public, he could arm it with actual class 3 licensed machine guns to emphasize his support for real (as opposed to NRA guano) gun rights.

…

158 Tigger2  Jun 3, 2015 9:25:15pm

re: #56 bratwurst

Want some insight into the mentality of people still supporting the Duggars?

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If those are the standards that they have then he’s right those are standards I will not tolerate.

159 teleskiguy  Jun 3, 2015 9:26:03pm

re: #157 Shiplord Kirel

160 Belafon  Jun 3, 2015 9:26:08pm

re: #157 Shiplord Kirel

Speaking of unions. I went to the Kroger here in Rockwall, TX, and saw that they had a sticker on the door that said union shop. I don’t remember the initials for the union so I can’t tell you what it was, but I was surprised that a union was actually functioning in Texas that wasn’t tied to a government contractor.

161 Great White Snark  Jun 3, 2015 9:26:50pm

re: #148 Targetpractice

Wouldn’t surprise me. The whole interview has the feeling of something performed from a script, that they’re saying what somebody else thinks will make them sound sincere and regretful, forgetting that Jim Bob seemed to think the only problem is that anybody outside the family found out about it.

162 Kragar  Jun 3, 2015 9:26:53pm

re: #56 bratwurst

163 EPR-radar  Jun 3, 2015 9:28:28pm

Further details on Gothard’s (a guru of the Duggar cult) revolting views at DKos dailykos.com

A sample:

According to Benner, students at Gothard’s Advanced Training Institute were actually trained to see if there were ways a victim was responsible for being assaulted. One way is if you somehow “defraud” your assailant by dressing or acting in a way that stirs up lustful thoughts in the attacker. According to Recovering Grace, a group of Gothard refugees who helped expose him as a serial harasser and molester last year, it’s theoretically possible for a woman to defraud a man just by tossing her hair.

Another way is if you do something to put yourself outside the protection of your father. According to Gothard, as long as your father has no sin in his life, nothing can happen to his wife or children. However, if you sin, you open yourself up to evil. So if you’re sexually assaulted and your father did nothing wrong, supposedly you brought it on yourself by being outside his protection.

Honestly, this shit makes me seriously consider putting certain cults outside the boundaries of first amendment protection.

164 Tigger2  Jun 3, 2015 9:29:57pm

re: #159 teleskiguy

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I like his agenda but to enact it he would need a big Dem Majority in the House and Senate to get it done and I just don’t see that happening.

165 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 3, 2015 9:32:07pm

re: #157 Shiplord Kirel

A possible solution:

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I know, I know, the RWNJ will have a field day with the “socialist” label. I think Sanders should take that label and rub their faces in it. It might be a chance to educate the public about what the word really means, correcting decades of RWNJ misinformation and abuse. There are indications that he intends to do exactly that.

To really rub their faces in it, he should get an armored train like Strelnikov’s in Doctor Zhivago. To further educate the public, he could arm it with actual class 3 licensed machine guns to emphasize his support for real (as opposed to NRA guano) gun rights.
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Larger

That scene and the train in Reds (maybe) that was festooned with red banners on the front. Amazing images.

166 Belafon  Jun 3, 2015 9:34:07pm

re: #164 Tigger2

I like his agenda but to enact it he would need big Dem Majority in the House and Senate to get it done and I just don’t see that happening.

One question I would like to ask him is what would he do if Congress put a bill on his desk that reduced all tuition to $1000/year in 2020, and indexed to inflation after that.

167 Great White Snark  Jun 3, 2015 9:34:52pm

re: #162 Kragar

168 Dark_Falcon  Jun 3, 2015 9:35:05pm

re: #157 Shiplord Kirel

A possible solution:

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I know, I know, the RWNJ media will have a field day with the “socialist” label. I think Sanders should take that label and rub their faces in it. It might be a chance to educate the public about what the word really means, correcting decades of RWNJ misinformation and abuse. There are indications that he intends to do exactly that.

To really rub their faces in it, he should get an armored train like Strelnikov’s in Doctor Zhivago. To further educate the public, he could arm it with actual class 3 licensed machine guns to emphasize his support for real (as opposed to NRA guano) gun rights.
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There’s not enough Maxim Model 1910 and Colt Model 1895 MGs available in the US to outfit a Russian Civil War-era armored train. To use a famous example, the Czech armored train Orlik mounted 8 Maxims per cannon armed car for a total of 16, plus 8 more on the self-propelled ‘rail-cruiser’ Zaamurets.

Source: New Vanguard 140: Armored Trains by Steven J. Zaloga. Osprey Publishing, London, UK an New York City, USA, 2008.

/Yeah, I know I went over the top here, but I had to do it.

169 Kragar  Jun 3, 2015 9:35:55pm
170 Dark_Falcon  Jun 3, 2015 9:36:42pm

re: #157 Shiplord Kirel

Moreover, an armored train would depict Sanders as vulnerable to Fascism, since Soviet armored trains fared badly against Luftwaffe dive bombers.

171 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 3, 2015 9:37:08pm

re: #168 Dark_Falcon

There’s not enough Maxim Model 1910 and Colt Model 1895 MGs available in the US to outfit a Russian Civil War-era armored train. To use a famous example, the Czech armored train Orlik mounted 8 Maxims per cannon armed car for a total of 16, plus 8 more on the self-propelled ‘rail-cruiser’ Zaamurets.

Source: New Vanguard 140: Armored Trains by Steven J. Zaloga. Osprey Publishing, London, UK an New York City, USA, 2008.

/Yeah, I know I went over the top here, but I had to do it.

Bah. You can still find old Vickers .30 cal machineguns around. Substitute!

172 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 3, 2015 9:38:03pm

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

Moreover, an armored train would depict Sanders as vulnerable to Fascism, since Soviet armored trains fared badly against Luftwaffe dive bombers.

Needs moar 40mm Bofors guns.

173 meteor  Jun 3, 2015 9:39:20pm

Give me some holy water. Somebody’s possessed.

174 EPR-radar  Jun 3, 2015 9:42:47pm

Perhaps we can add a word to the language:

Duggary (n): the act of condoning in-tribe child sexual abuse while condemning out-tribe child sexual abuse.

175 teleskiguy  Jun 3, 2015 9:43:05pm

re: #164 Tigger2

I like his agenda but to enact it he would need a big Dem Majority in the House and Senate to get it done and I just don’t see that happening.

I’m a real politic guy, I know what can and can’t be done in the electoral process.

I’m in sort of a unique position, though, in my fevered Satan-driven mind. The first election I ever voted in (age 18) was the year 2000. I voted yea for Amendment 20, which made medicinal cannabis legal in the state of Colorado. It passed. Everything else I voted for on that ballot went the opposite of what I voted for. But I remembered that victory, always will.

I became part of the grassroots (pun intended) of cannabis legalization for a time in the early aughts. I helped get enough valid signatures to get outright legalization on the Colorado ballot twice, in ‘04 and ‘06. ‘06 was a heady time, as we got a lot of money to try and pass the law - at this time entitled Amendment 44. I was handing out t-shirts at Red Rocks that summer and registered I-don’t-know-how-many-people to vote. Amendment 44 did not pass in 2006.

I gave up on the activism after that, just continued to do the word-of-mouth stuff. Fast-forward to 2012, with Amendment 64.

Cannabis enthusiasts! Come to Colorado! It’ll BLOW YOUR MIND!

176 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 3, 2015 9:43:26pm

re: #168 Dark_Falcon

There’s not enough Maxim Model 1910 and Colt Model 1895 MGs available in the US to outfit a Russian Civil War-era armored train. To use a famous example, the Czech armored train Orlik mounted 8 Maxims per cannon armed car for a total of 16, plus 8 more on the self-propelled ‘rail-cruiser’ Zaamurets.

Source: New Vanguard 140: Armored Trains by Steven J. Zaloga. Osprey Publishing, London, UK an New York City, USA, 2008.

/Yeah, I know I went over the top here, but I had to do it.

We could use M-1917s or -19 with a cooling jacket added on by a union shop somewhere. Authenticity must bow to practicability. As for being vulnerable to fascism. that is true but the Texas RWNJs don’t have Stukas, at least not yet anyway.

178 Dark_Falcon  Jun 3, 2015 9:47:19pm

re: #163 EPR-radar

Further details on Gothard’s (a guru of the Duggar cult) revolting views at DKos dailykos.com

A sample:

Honestly, this shit make me seriously consider putting certain cults outside the boundaries of first amendment protection.

Now that actually does remind me of Communism, the Maoist variety, complete with shaming rituals.

179 The Ghost of a Bikini Shank  Jun 3, 2015 9:47:58pm

An older post, but one that provides some interesting details about the Duggars…who, remember have written and spoken often about their parenting methods. It works as a summary of why I’m bothered by them.

Carefully scripted lives: My concerns about the Duggars

And another article that addresses one specific aspect of their micro-culture: But They Look So Happy!

When I persist in using terms like “curation” and “narrative,” its not because I’m a fussy academic, but because it the best way to encapsulate this social activity of picking and choosing what you present, and to what end.

The Duggars curate their behavior to put a good face on their lifestyle, because they’re proselytizing. TLC further curates the Duggars to trim off any objectionable or distinct features of their insular religous culture. So what does the audience see?

(I am, however, a fussy autodidact.)

180 Dark_Falcon  Jun 3, 2015 9:49:40pm

re: #172 Aunty Entity Dragon

Needs moar 40mm Bofors guns.

Those the Soviet Union could not get, since the US and UK would not supply them via Lend-Lease, for the simple reason that neither nation had all the 40mm it felt it needed, and the demand for them on warships kept increasing.

181 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 3, 2015 9:49:50pm

Oh boy…

The Daily Beast reporting right now that the terror suspect shot and killed yesterday while carrying a machete was intercepted on the way to assassinate Pam Geller.

CNN reports that conservative activist Pamela Geller was the target of a beheading plot by Boston terror suspect Usaama Rahim, who was killed by police on Tuesday. Geller organized the “Draw Muhammad” cartoon contest in Texas, where two Muslim gunmen were killed. In an interview with CNN on Wednesday, Gellar said, “They targeted me for violating Sharia blasphemy laws. They mean to kill everyone who doesn’t do their bidding and abide by their law voluntarily. This is a showdown for American freedom. Will we stand against this savagery or bow down to them and silence ourselves?”

*cannot link individual stories at TDB*

182 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 3, 2015 9:50:13pm

re: #180 Dark_Falcon

Those the Soviet Union could not get, since the US and UK would not supply them via Lend-Lease, for the simple reason that neither nation had all the 40mm it felt it needed, and the demand for them on warships kept increasing.

I mean for today :)

183 makeitstop  Jun 3, 2015 9:51:02pm

re: #177 Kragar

TV Guide: The Duggars Interview Backfires and Proves Why They Really Don’t Belong on TV

Fucking frauds.

184 teleskiguy  Jun 3, 2015 9:53:24pm

re: #175 teleskiguy

I hope folks notice the word “Amendment” in this comment of mine. Amendment 64 was passed with over 55% of the vote in Colorado, which effectively legalized cannabis for sale and use by adults. It’s an amendment to the Colorado state constitution, law of the land.

We also have a constitutional amendment - colloquially known as the TABOR bill, or “Taxpayers Bill of Rights”, passed in the heady 90s - that requires a popular vote for tax increases, which has predictably led to awful shortfalls for municipalities without huge tax bases.

Ah, Colorado. Wouldn’t have it any other way. I’ll be here always, tip your server.

185 BeachDem  Jun 3, 2015 9:55:28pm

re: #105 Targetpractice

All-American Muslim got shit-canned by TLC after a single season because the wingnuts went nuts over the idea of a TV series that portrayed Muslims in a positive light and scared advertisers into pulling their ads from the show.

Then they yanked the plug on Here Comes Honey Boo Boo within hours of pictures of the mother in the company of an ex-boyfriend who’d gone to prison for child molestation going public.

But 19 Kids has been on the air for 10 seasons and the most that TLC has done in light of the Duggars basically admitting that Josh was molesting his own sisters is pull reruns from their TV schedule until further notice.

A truly bizarre hill upon which to die, TLC.

Hey, they kept “Welcome to Myrtle Manor” on for three seasons, after three of the “stars” got arrested in one weekend during Season 1—1 of them for criminal sexual assault with a minor.
(He was off after that season, but the show went on.)

I guess because it was a show about scumbags for scumbags, it was OK—(they added Trailer Park to the title later on.)

Oh, and he just got sentenced a few months ago—got off pretty easy with probation.

carolinalive.com

Welcome to TLC

186 allegro  Jun 3, 2015 9:55:48pm

I didn’t watch but if I’m understanding what y’all have been saying about it correctly, they said that other families they knew had worse stuff going on in their homes to make their shit stink less? Considering the insular cult community they live in, how welcome are they going to be there after this? While it seems they are forgiving of child molestation and abuse, I’m not so sure their cult buddies will slide under that bus so gracefully.

187 Targetpractice  Jun 3, 2015 9:56:04pm

re: #177 Kragar

TV Guide: The Duggars Interview Backfires and Proves Why They Really Don’t Belong on TV

This line at the end stuck out at me:

“I don’t know if the rest of our family should be punished for the act of one of our children that happened 12 years ago,” said Jim Bob. “We’re fine if they film us or not.”

And with the girls giving their interview on Friday, I get the feeling all this was a test to see if there was any hope of salvaging the show as-is or whether they might go with the rumored spin-off with the two married daughters.

188 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 3, 2015 9:56:35pm

The shrieking Harpy is going to ride this for decades now.

I was targeted by terrorists!!!!

Okay, yeah, we get that. Yeah, we get that free speech means you can say whatver you want about somebody else’s religion and not have to live in fear.

We also get that you have done everything possible to fucking get somebody to come after you so you can play martyr.

189 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 3, 2015 9:56:50pm

First SMOTI, now Free Republic. What is RWNJ world coming to?

Freepers are hammering the Duggars, at least the majority seem to be with a few delusional type still stepping up to defend the creeps, as in this exchange:

“That mother has a loose screw.”

“She acts like a brainwashed cult member. Gives me the creeps.”

“Wow, Christians give you the creeps!”

“Some Christians are creepy. I’ve known a few.”

or this one:

“Mia Farrow’s brother is in prison for molestation of two 10-year-old boys. Bet you didn’t hear about that.”

“Did Mia Farrow’s brother have a hit TV show?”

“He is in prison paying for his crimes. Josh isn’t.”

190 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 3, 2015 9:59:55pm

I just saw that our useless POS governor in NC just had his veto overridden again on a bill that would mandate a 72 hour wait to get an abortion.

I wonder how his re-election ads will play?

McCrory! The vaguely likable and ineffective buffoon North Carolina deserves!

191 teleskiguy  Jun 3, 2015 9:59:58pm

re: #189 Shiplord Kirel

…

192 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 3, 2015 10:00:07pm

re: #188 Aunty Entity Dragon

The shrieking Harpy is going to ride this for decades now.

I was targeted by terrorists!!!!

Okay, yeah, we get that. Yeah, we get that free speech means you can say whatver you want about somebody else’s religion and not have to live in fear.

We also get that you have done everything possible to fucking get somebody to come after you so you can play martyr.

She does seem to be leaving a trail of dead nutcakes behind her. Oh, well, we don’t need people who would substitute murder for debate and public exposure.

193 Kragar  Jun 3, 2015 10:00:44pm
194 Kragar  Jun 3, 2015 10:01:55pm
195 Dark_Falcon  Jun 3, 2015 10:02:49pm

re: #181 Aunty Entity Dragon

Oh boy…

The Daily Beast reporting right now that the terror suspect shot and killed yesterday while carrying a machete was intercepted on the way to assassinate Pam Geller.

*cannot link individual stories at TDB*

That was his original plan, but then he decided to be an even bigger shithead and go after police officers:

(CNN)Usaamah Rahim, who was fatally shot after waving a military knife at law enforcement officers in Boston, was originally plotting to behead Pamela Geller, an activist and conservative blogger, law enforcement sources told CNN on Wednesday.

But Rahim, a 26-year-old security guard who officials believe was radicalized by ISIS and other extremists, decided instead to target the “boys in blue,” a reference to police, according to court documents.

“I can’t wait that long,” he said of the original beheading plan, according to an FBI affidavit filed in federal court in Boston.

Meanwhile, Geller is being her usual evil self about this whole thing, amaking it all about her. What it should be about is the some thing that the thwarting of the Garland Attack was about: The capability and willingness of good cops to protect the public from the scum of the earth.

The cops and fed who who took out these terrorists did their duty and I cheer them. Pam Geller isn’t worthy to lace their boots.

196 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 10:03:28pm

re: #193 Kragar

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Beautiful. Well done Biden family.

197 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 3, 2015 10:09:16pm

re: #195 Dark_Falcon

That was his original plan, but then he decided to be an even bigger shithead and go after police officers:

Meanwhile, Geller is being her usual evil self about this whole thing, amaking it all about her. What it should be about is the some thing that the thwarting of the Garland Attack was about: The capability and willingness of good cops to protect the public from the scum of the earth.

The cops and fed who who took out these terrorists did their duty and I cheer them. Pam Geller isn’t worthy to lace their boots.

Yep. She is still going to crow about this before trying to find some more terror idiots she can entice into coming after her.

198 Dark_Falcon  Jun 3, 2015 10:15:14pm

You can know a person pretty well by the company they keep:

Duggar family pastor says Caitlyn Jenner no longer an American champion because of gender transition…but that God can forgive Josh’s molester past

So to Ronnie Floyd the person who by everyone’s account has always been a good father is to be condemned for wanting to live as a woman, while pedophilia committed is dismissed by a man the pastor favors is dismissed with “God will forgive him”. To me, Ronnie Floyd is both corrupt and unChristian.

199 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 3, 2015 10:16:14pm

I’ll say the same thing about Pam Geller’s beheading as Dorothy Parker said about Calvin Coolidge’s death: “How can they tell?”

EDIT: Or what BadExampleMan said downstairs.

200 Tigger2  Jun 3, 2015 10:20:10pm

re: #198 Dark_Falcon

You can know a person pretty well by the company they keep:

Duggar family pastor says Caitlyn Jenner no longer an American champion because of gender transition…but that God can forgive Josh’s molester past

So to Ronnie Floyd the person who by everyone’s account has always been a good father is to be condemned for wanting to live as a woman, while pedophilia committed is dismissed by a man the pastor favors is dismissed with “God will forgive him”. To me, Ronnie Floyd is both corrupt and unChristian.

I like the way those assholes think God will forgive who they like but God wont forgive who they don’t like, Some of those people don’t live in the real world.

201 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 3, 2015 10:20:42pm

A wingnut just asked me on Facebook if I, personally, would shoot an attacker to keep him from murdering Pamela Geller.

Like most RWNJ hypotheticals, this one could not happen in the real world. (Why, for example, would I be that close to Geller, with a gun no less?)

Nevertheless, I answered immediately: “Yes, I would. Murder is murder and I will prevent it if I have it within my power to do so. And I would still tell her what a hateful bigot she is. “

202 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 3, 2015 10:21:52pm

re: #201 Shiplord Kirel

A wingnut just asked me on Facebook if I, personally, would shoot an attacker to keep him from murdering Pamela Geller.

Like most RWNJ hypotheticals, this one could not happen in the real world. (Why, for example, would I be that close to Geller, with a gun no less?)

Nevertheless, I answered immediately: “Yes, I would. Murder is murder and I will prevent it if I have it within my power to do so. And I would still tell her what a hateful bigot she is. “

Yep. I would absolutely protect her freedom to be a hateful idiot. I would still call her a hateful idiot.

203 Kragar  Jun 3, 2015 10:26:52pm
204 BeachDem  Jun 3, 2015 10:27:36pm

re: #130 makeitstop

What was that guy’s name again?

I’m wondering if he was buds with Jim Bob…

I had read a while back that there was some interaction between the Duggars and Justin Harris through some church (can’t remember the name). And Harris continues to operate his Christian Pre-school (with mostly tax dollars.)

And here’s how legislators in Arkansas have reacted to both:

A Republican state legislator, Justin Harris, a daycare operator, has admitted an act that would now be a felony in fobbing off child to the home of a sexual predator. Another former Republican legislator, Jim Bob Duggar, star of a TV show, failed to report repeated incidents of child molestation in his own home, though he and his wife have led a campaign to demonize gay people as child molesters.

Reaction? Not a single Republican colleague has chastised either Harris or Duggar. Indeed, Republicans have risen to defense of both men. One condemned the Arkansas Times to hell for writing about the Harris “rehoming” case.

arktimes.com

205 allegro  Jun 3, 2015 10:28:16pm

Who was it who said that he didn’t wish anyone’s death though there were some obituaries he would read with delight? I think Geller would fall on a lot of those lists.

206 Dark_Falcon  Jun 3, 2015 10:28:36pm

re: #201 Shiplord Kirel

re: #202 Aunty Entity Dragon

Me three. She’s a fellow citizen and letting her be murdered for exercising her rights is not something I could permit to happen. But that doesn’t mean she’s not a vile hater, because she is.

207 The War TARDIS  Jun 3, 2015 10:30:37pm

re: #202 Aunty Entity Dragon

I just stumbled on this meanwhile:

Apparently, Daniel Pipes has defended the Japanese Internment during WWII, and thinks it was a good idea.

208 BeachDem  Jun 3, 2015 10:31:09pm

re: #201 Shiplord Kirel

(Why, for example, would I be that close to Geller, with a gun no less?)

A question for the ages, my friend.

209 The War TARDIS  Jun 3, 2015 10:34:04pm

re: #207 The War TARDIS

Sorry for off-topic.

I found it while link-following on Wikipedia, and couldn’t believe what I saw, so I clicked it.

210 Cheechako  Jun 3, 2015 10:35:36pm

re: #205 allegro

Who was it who said that he didn’t wish anyone’s death though there were some obituaries he would read with delight? I think Geller would fall on a lot of those lists.

I believe that was Mark Twain.

I’m going to be MIA for the next several days. Going to have knee replacement surgery on my left knee. Now I’ll have two metallic knees to set off the detectors at the airports. As my Doctor said, “Get ‘re done so you have more time to enjoy them.”

211 Jay C  Jun 3, 2015 10:36:50pm

re: #187 Targetpractice

This line at the end stuck out at me:

And with the girls giving their interview on Friday, I get the feeling all this was a test to see if there was any hope of salvaging the show as-is or whether they might go with the rumored spin-off with the two married daughters.

Yeah, I noticed that too: old Jim Bob seems to have added self-righteous entitlement to his roster of rather obvious personal flaws: while bitching about how his family shouldn’t be “punished”, he seems to take it for granted that they (all) should somehow be rewarded ; just for being their own smarmy loved-by-Jesus selves, I suppose.

212 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 10:36:55pm

re: #201 Shiplord Kirel

A wingnut just asked me on Facebook if I, personally, would shoot an attacker to keep him from murdering Pamela Geller.

Like most RWNJ hypotheticals, this one could not happen in the real world. (Why, for example, would I be that close to Geller, with a gun no less?)

Nevertheless, I answered immediately: “Yes, I would. Murder is murder and I will prevent it if I have it within my power to do so. And I would still tell her what a hateful bigot she is. “

Of course. I mean I hate what she believes but she shouldn’t be murdered over it.

213 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 10:38:24pm

re: #210 Cheechako

I believe that was Mark Twain.

I’m going to be MIA for the next several days. Going to have knee replacement surgery on my left knee. Now I’ll have two metallic knees to set off the detectors at the airports. As my Doctor said, “Get ‘re done so you have more time to enjoy them.”

Yes that’s Twain. Good luck with your knee operation. Hope it goes well.

214 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 3, 2015 10:39:01pm

re: #212 HappyWarrior

Of course. I mean I hate what she believes but she shouldn’t be murdered over it.

If I let her get beheaded, I’d miss my chance to tell her what an insane harpy she is and that a bleeding-heart, non-Islamophobe lie-brul has just saved her worthless life.

215 Dr Lizardo  Jun 3, 2015 10:39:13pm

re: #210 Cheechako

Good luck with the knee operation.

216 Dr Lizardo  Jun 3, 2015 10:40:13pm

re: #214 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

If I let her get beheaded, I’d miss my chance to tell her what an insane harpy she is and that a bleeding-heart non-Islamophobe, lie-brul has just saved her worthless life.

Yeah……..for me, I’d want that opportunity to tell her, “Yep. A Muslim just saved your hide. So……live with that.”

217 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 3, 2015 10:40:20pm

re: #213 HappyWarrior

Yes that’s Twain. Good luck with your knee operation. Hope it goes well.

I always thought it was Clarence Darrow. Anyway, good luck, Cheechako. I know a couple of people who’ve had that done, with good results.

218 Single-handed sailor  Jun 3, 2015 10:41:10pm

Is that OUR Lidane commenting at Mediate on the Duggars? Good work.

219 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 10:42:50pm

re: #214 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

If I let her get beheaded, I’d miss my chance to tell her what an insane harpy she is and that a bleeding-heart non-Islamophobe, lie-brul has just saved her worthless life.

Heh but seriously I may despise her but I don’t want her dead. I oppose executing murderers for fuck same. I just want her ostracized for being a bigot although ideally I’d hope she would realize most Muslims are decent people like most Jews, Christians, etc are. Want her dead? Not at all but I am not someone who is good with a gun so it’s a silly scenario. If they had a katana would they protect me from the Inquisition?

220 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2015 10:44:34pm

re: #210 Cheechako

I believe that was Mark Twain.

I’m going to be MIA for the next several days. Going to have knee replacement surgery on my left knee. Now I’ll have two metallic knees to set off the detectors at the airports. As my Doctor said, “Get ‘re done so you have more time to enjoy them.”

Best wishes on the surgery. mr. klys just had some minor procedures done on both knees last month but (thankfully) not a knee replacement yet.

Good healing and a good surgeon!

221 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 10:45:19pm

re: #217 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I always thought it was Clarence Darrow. Anyway, good luck, Cheechako. I know a couple of people who’ve had that done, with good results.

You’d actually be correct and I’d be wrong. It’s often attributed to Twain but it turns out it was Darrow, another person from that era I admire.
thewire.com

222 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 10:47:42pm

re: #216 Dr Lizardo

Yeah……..for me, I’d want that opportunity to tell her, “Yep. A Muslim just saved your hide. So……live with that.”

That reminds me. I remember Herman Cain freaking out if he had a hypothetical Muslim doctor and I immediately thought about the doctor who performed my cornea surgery. I am not positive she’s Muslim since there are a lot of Arab Christians out there but I just thought about that whenever I hear people freaking out about Muslims.

223 Cheechako  Jun 3, 2015 10:50:57pm

Everyone

Thanks for the good vibes. I had my right knee replaced 7 years ago and I felt great. But , for the last 6 months, I’ve been gimping around with some pain. Good ol’ osteoarthritis from all the hill climbing I did in my wildland firefighting days. The key to success is to follow the PT regime. Tough at times, but worth it for the results.

Cheechako

224 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2015 10:53:01pm

re: #223 Cheechako

Everyone

Thanks for the good vibes. I had my right knee replaced 7 years ago and I felt great. But , for the last 6 months, I’ve been gimping around with some pain. Good ol’ osteoarthritis from all the hill climbing I did in my wildland firefighting days. The key to success is to follow the PT regime. Tough at times, but worth it for the results.

Cheechako

A good surgeon helps too.

Grandma’s had both, and …well, the first one wasn’t so good. And the consequences have sucked. She had someone else do the second and it’s been smoother sailing since then!

225 Dark_Falcon  Jun 3, 2015 10:53:26pm

re: #209 The War TARDIS

Some links for you:

Libyan National Army continues to receive support from Egypt, UAE

Here’s the vehicle the UAE is sending to the LNA: Streit Group Typhoon 4x4 MRAP Mine Resistant Ambush Protected. MRAPs are a favored choice for aid to armies facing Daesh because of their ability to survive the IEDs Daesh loves to use.

226 Cheechako  Jun 3, 2015 10:54:47pm

re: #224 klys (maker of Silmarils)

A good surgeon helps too.

Grandma’s had both, and …well, the first one wasn’t so good. And the consequences have sucked. She had someone else do the second and it’s been smoother sailing since then!

I’m using the same surgeon as last time. I was very pleased with his demeanor and concern for my well being.

227 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2015 10:56:05pm

re: #226 Cheechako

I’m using the same surgeon as last time. I was very pleased with his demeanor and concern for my well being.

Excellent. If it’s someone you know and are happy with, and things went smoothly last time, then I have high hopes it goes well. :) Still, best wishes as you get through that initial push!

228 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2015 10:56:33pm

re: #227 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Edited, because hopefully there won’t be a next time.

229 Dark_Falcon  Jun 3, 2015 10:58:52pm

I also want to post this story, since its some actual good news out of Iraq:

Strike levels huge Iraq car bomb factory in blow to IS

Kirkuk (Iraq) (AFP) - An air strike in the Iraqi town of Hawijah completely levelled one of the Islamic State group’s largest car bomb factories, causing heavy casualties and extensive destruction, officials said.

The blast caused by the strike and the destruction of explosive material was heard as far as Kirkuk, a city under Kurdish control that lies 55 kilometres (34 miles) away.

Iraqi officials said the strike was carried out by a US-led coalition, which has defended its 10-month air campaign against IS despite a number of recent advances by the jihadists in Iraq and Syria.

The facility, which included tanks, Humvees and large quantities of explosives, was “the biggest factory in Iraq and Syria”, an Iraqi colonel said.

Mohammed Khalil al-Juburi, the deputy head of the Kirkuk province security committee, confirmed details of the attack, which took place early on Wednesday.

230 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 3, 2015 11:02:11pm

re: #229 Dark_Falcon

I also want to post this story, since its some actual good news out of Iraq:

Strike levels huge Iraq car bomb factory in blow to IS

Iraqi officials said the strike was carried out by a US-led coalition, which has defended its 10-month air campaign against IS despite a number of recent advances by the jihadists in Iraq and Syria.

WHY WONT OBUMMER FITE TEH TERRISTS?

231 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 11:03:59pm

re: #230 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

WHY WONT OBUMMER FITE TEH TERRISTS?

More apologies from Obummer.

232 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 3, 2015 11:08:26pm

On the topic of the interview, I lurk on a cross stitching board and while I normally avoid the political threads because otherwise I get disgusted with the world, I did click on the one dealing with the interview to see what the general opinion was …and it was not positive towards the Duggars.

And this is a board where roughly half the membership is unwilling to understand the context in which thug is frequently used these days, and several of whom are happy to misgender Caitlyn Jenner because “she was born a man and she will always be a man.”

233 Dark_Falcon  Jun 3, 2015 11:09:54pm

re: #230 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

WHY WONT OBUMMER FITE TEH TERRISTS?

This isn’t the turning point, but what it will do is decrease the ability of Daesh (ISIS) to build and deploy one of their most effective weapons at the very time that weapons have arrived in quantity to enable the forces loyal to the Iraqi government to destroy Daesh’s supersized VBIEDs. And that should give those forces a chance to make some gains and put those Daesh bastards back on their heels.

Good Night, All.

234 HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2015 11:13:28pm

re: #232 klys (maker of Silmarils)

On the topic of the interview, I lurk on a cross stitching board and while I normally avoid the political threads because otherwise I get disgusted with the world, I did click on the one dealing with the interview to see what the general opinion was …and it was not positive towards the Duggars.

And this is a board where roughly half the membership is unwilling to understand the context in which thug is frequently used these days, and several of whom are happy to misgender Caitlyn Jenner because “she was born a man and she will always be a man.”

I think they really alienated a lot of people tonight. I expect Fox to turn on them now that the verdict is in or to double down on the idiocy Kelly gave us tonight.

235 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 3, 2015 11:18:55pm

re: #234 HappyWarrior

I think they really alienated a lot of people tonight. I expect Fox to turn on them now that the verdict is in or to double down on the idiocy Kelly gave us tonight.

This is such a hot-button issue, I’m half-expecting some kind of schism—the real question being: Which side will Murdoch and Ailes plop down on? If their diktat is that the Duggars must be whitewashed at every cost, they may have some defections on their hands.

Or maybe not—if you weren’t morally bankrupt, you wouldn’t be working for Faux Noise anyway.

236 Kragar  Jun 3, 2015 11:25:10pm
237 goddamnedfrank  Jun 3, 2015 11:31:15pm
238 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 4, 2015 12:00:24am

re: #235 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

This is such a hot-button issue, I’m half-expecting some kind of schism—the real question being: Which side will Murdoch and Ailes plop down on? If their diktat is that the Duggars must be whitewashed at every cost, they may have some defections on their hands.

Or maybe not—if you weren’t morally bankrupt, you wouldn’t be working for Faux Noise anyway.

Freeper opinion is running about 4-1 against the Duggars, and they have even lost SMOTI. Murdoch and Ailes can lead the sheep anywhere but they can’t make them fly. This may be too much even for them. The faux reporters might end up getting the word to pile on.

239 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 4, 2015 12:13:11am

Aviation porn: FG1D Corsair at airshow in New Zealand. This is the only former Royal New Zealand AF Corsair still flying. The Corsair was the RNZAF’s main fighter during the last two years of the war. …

240 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 4, 2015 12:26:34am

re: #239 Shiplord Kirel

Aviation porn: FG1D Corsair at airshow in New Zealand. This is the only former Royal New Zealand AF Corsair still flying. The Corsair was the RNZAF’s main fighter during the last two years of the war. [Embedded content]

Too bad the F5U never made it into production….


241 teleskiguy  Jun 4, 2015 12:38:26am
242 Frenchy  Jun 4, 2015 12:50:52am

Like the various beheading videos, I’m not even the least bit tempted to watch, and I will not watch. Nope.

Fuck you, Jim Bob and Michelle.
Fuck you, Fox.
Fuck you, Megyn Kelly.

243 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 4, 2015 1:05:20am

Since we’re being quiet:

244 Kragar  Jun 4, 2015 1:06:16am

I pity anyone trapped in that cult.

245 piratedan  Jun 4, 2015 1:19:37am

well perhaps it’s time for a summation….

1) Josh Duggar molested not just one of his sisters, but 4 of them AND a family friend.
2) Mom and Dad KNEW
3) They used their position to:

a) not have any charges brought against their son
b) do nothing for those affected, neither the girls or Josh himself got counseled or treatment

4) the Network that airs the show is allowing the Production company to run interference for them instead of simply cancelling the show, because of “profits!”

5) because of the audience for that show also happens to identify with the GOP because of their roots in Fundamentalist Christianity, the Quiverfull movement and the entire home schooling is better because we’re moral and ethical….because who needs the government because we’re Christians….RW media circus has circled the wagons which has led to:

a) Christians are being “persecuted”
b) we’re the real victims here, thanks to the police report “leakage”
c) a really creepy TMI moment from Mike Huckabee

6) A national television Network attempts to “tell” the Parents side of the story in an obviously scripted reality TV unknowing parody because of #5 and attempts to provide their base audience with the appropriate soothing tones to assure them that they are the epitome of Christian ideals while glossing over the fact that a crime has been perpetrated by:

a) Josh Duggar for molesting the girls
b) the parents for covering it up
c) the local authorities for going along

and now they wonder what’s so important about 6a, 6b and 6c because they’re Christians and they know that God has forgiven them for their sins.

that about sum it up?

makes you nauseous doesn’t it?

246 Dr Lizardo  Jun 4, 2015 1:34:29am

re: #245 piratedan

A good summation.

The other day, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the “caliph” (snort) of Da’esh, Tweeted out that it was OK for Da’esh members to have sex with young boys if girls weren’t available.

This is the same group that throws gay men off roofs to their deaths.

Cognitive dissonance seems to be a universal extremist trait.

*smh*

247 Frenchy  Jun 4, 2015 1:42:59am

Obviously most have come to the conclusion that the Duggars come off worse with this interview than if they had just faded into obscurity, never to be heard from again. So taking that as a given, based on what I’ve read it seems moreover like they have clearly told many easily refutable lies in this interview, directly at odds with what has been reported based on the obtained records. Such as

1. Josh came to us to confess;
2. The girls didn’t know anything had happened to them;
3. Touching was just on top of clothes;
…

Etc. etc. So they’re not only showing no humility or remorse with this interview, they’re not only defending their horrible mishandling of the situation, they’re moreover flat lying through their teeth in an attempt at damage control, yes?

248 Nyet  Jun 4, 2015 1:53:24am

The way to look at the latest “exciting” news in Pam Geller’s sad life: imagine if JDF was trying to take out David Duke. Duke would be technically a victim, JDF would have to be punished for the crime, but this wouldn’t add an ounce of sympathy towards Duke.

And Geller is just David Duke in a skirt.

249 Nyet  Jun 4, 2015 1:56:44am

Re: Duggars: seems like this behavior arises naturally in a cultic ultraconservative atmosphere (regardless of religion).

250 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 4, 2015 2:01:12am

Duggar parents address ‘19 Kids and Counting’ scandal in interview:

The Duggars have a P.R. expert helping the Duggars tell their story: Chad Gallagher, the head of the Arkansas firm Legacy Consulting.

Gallagher is also a longtime adviser to Huckabee, and is the executive director of Huck PAC.

251 Dr Lizardo  Jun 4, 2015 2:06:57am

re: #249 Nyet

Re: Duggars: seems like this behavior arises naturally in a cultic ultraconservative atmosphere (regardless of religion).

I quite agree - this kind of insanity is all-too-often found in cults/sects of an extremely conservative or patriarchal/traditionalist nature.

Of course, not all cults are like that……Raëlians are pretty far from being extremely conservative. But they’re certainly quite wacky, to say the least. But then again, I guess most UFO religions would likely fall into the “zany” category.

252 Dr Lizardo  Jun 4, 2015 2:23:41am

Back later. Off to teach.

253 Kragar  Jun 4, 2015 2:31:27am

Now, I consider myself to be a pretty good modeler, with better than average skills and able to field fully painted armies, which is a rarity in a lot of gaming groups. Still, when I see something like this, it blows me away.

Now, for the sense of scale, if you take a look at his feet, you can see that he is standing in a circle set into the larger base. That circle is roughly the size of a nickel

254 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2015 2:38:09am

This is absolutely disgusting. These people are such throwbacks, uneducated, ignorant, interested only in fucking and making money from it. None of their kids are educated worth a shit for a modern world, either, yet they manage to get well paying jobs continuing to rip off the rubes in those “christian” orgs that push the same agenda. These are the same people, with some being a bit more educated beyond HS, that are filling the legislatures in many states and making laws that affect every single person in their states.

It doesn’t take much except a twisted mind to be able to live this kind of life. To make money, lots of it, just integrate this kind of “christianity” into your entire life and sell it and the other ignorati will buy it hook, line and sinker. You can do their “thinking” for them so they don’t have to suffer with it.

No doubt the daughters have been as brainwashed to think their molestation by their brother is no big deal. I don’t expect them to think much of it, as is apparent in this interview. Daddy is boss, and don’t you forget it. BTW, did anyone notice that Michelle Duggar has a voice like a 10 yr old? Yeah, that’s petty, but it doesn’t surprise me that someone who wants the world to see her as some kind of “innocent” breeder would incorporate that kind of voice. And as far as the girls actually “forgetting” those incidents?

Well, it’s been 60 yrs now and I still remember the 18 yr old “christian” friend of the family who attempted to go straight for my genitals when I was 14 and innocently thought I was going to the drive in with a couple of other people to actually watch a movie. At that point in time, in 1955, I hadn’t even kissed a boy and stupidly thought I would be OK with the brother of the woman my uncle was marrying. All of them were “christians” and when I told my grandmother, it just added to her hatred of that family, and it just blew over. I hate to say it, but I think she was more concerned about the well-being of her son, who she thought was being seduced by the mother of the woman my uncle was marrying.

This is the atmosphere of the 50s—boys valued, girls were on their own to fight their own battles and to “get over it”.

The guy who tried to molest me? Became a big wheel in the local Salvation Army.

255 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2015 3:07:26am

BTW, the Salvation Army is very corporate these days, including having a member of the Koch family on their “Advisory Board”:

MRS. ELIZABETH B. KOCH
Chairperson of the Board,
Kansas Cultural Trust
President, Fred C. & Mary
R. Koch Foundation
Wichita, Kansas

(pdf)

256 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 4, 2015 3:19:17am

re: #255 Justanotherhuman

The SA has been corporate, and leaning toward fundamentalism for a very long time. I have never really felt comfortable with that kind of “evangelism” that links charity to hearing about Christian salvation. I’ll choose Goodwill or a local food bank over the SA if given the opportunity.

257 William Lewis  Jun 4, 2015 3:19:37am

I really don’t like the Salvation Army. It is not Christ like to hold desperate people hostage to your preaching. “salvation alamode and a cup of tea”… They could learn a lot from the poor and needy that they (barely) help.

258 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 4, 2015 3:19:58am

re: #253 Kragar

Now, I consider myself to be a pretty good modeler, with better than average skills and able to field fully painted armies, which is a rarity in a lot of gaming groups. Still, when I see something like this, it blows me away.

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Now, for the sense of scale, if you take a look at his feet, you can see that he is standing in a circle set into the larger base. That circle is roughly the size of a nickel

That’s amazing. My hands aren’t steady enough to do anything that detailed.

259 William Lewis  Jun 4, 2015 3:22:57am

re: #258 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Agreed. I never got into lead pushing despite my love of war games because I could not paint my Grenadier guards and the rest appropriately. That figure is astonishing.

260 weave  Jun 4, 2015 3:27:44am

A comment on etonline.com from “Jimmy Beam”

You know the boy was 14 and for the human male this is when they are getting sexually active and getting urges that are extremely hard to control, josh was a child himself so how does a Christian blame a child for this, what happened to forgives, not to mention if he only touched them then their is no long term mental anguish. Now if he tried to have intercourse then that could be traumatizing. intercourse and touching are different, and kids don’t make good decision.

WHAT THE LIVING FUCK?

261 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 4, 2015 3:35:33am

I was amazed that Jim Boob Duggar went with the “I’m not a mandated reporter as a parent” (paraphrase) excuse. I mean, WTF?!

262 weave  Jun 4, 2015 3:36:28am

What did the Duggar’s hope to gain from this interview? Was this an attempt to repair their reputation in front of the public?

DO THEY REALIZE THEY ARE ENABLING OTHERS TO DO THE SAME?

If you’re mentally disturbed, you’re going to look for all sorts of justifications for your behavior. So there’s going to be similar teenagers that age seeing this and thinking “Hey, it’s not that big of a deal if they are sleeping — and as long as I don’t have intercourse.”

I’m seeing that said over and over in comments about this from others already… It’s disgusting.

Yet if you’re a gay adult in a consensual relationship —- THAT is evil.

I can’t even begin to understand the mental gymnastics involved here…

263 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 4, 2015 3:44:38am

Duggan defender at Gawker getting raked over the coals for this defense:

But I don’t think these parents did absolutely nothing. They dealt with it, privately. It may not have been the exact right thing to do, but people should try and put there selves in other people’s shoes, before they start throwing rocks.

And this may be controversial, but he didn’t rape anybody. He was a 14 year old kid who touched a couple of pussies. It was the wrong thing to do, and he told his parents. Do you really think he would have gone to jail, or that jail would be the right place for him?

(emphasis added)

264 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2015 3:45:23am

re: #261 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

How can you possibly give individualized attention, much less as a collective, to those kids? As I understand it, the older ones were responsible for “raising” the younger, and doing the housework and other chores. The only “education” given these kids was indoctrination. Then, a way to be more financially “secure” for the parents and to grift from the public was to get a reality show. And they’ve played that to excess. At one point early on, HS graduate Jim Bob boasted about having so much income he didn’t have to work and could stay home, which of course, he really didn’t except to act as majordomo over the entire enterprise.

This isn’t teaching responsibility so much as it’s exploiting your own children who have no real freedom to be kids and explore their own dreams, get a good education, and be a truly free person with one’s own ideas of how to live.

265 Timothy Watson  Jun 4, 2015 3:48:36am

The Brookings Institution isn’t a neocon outfit, right? Are they just idiots?

They had one of their talking heads on WTOP and sheesh.

266 weave  Jun 4, 2015 3:48:37am

Their absolute job 1 should have been protecting their other children — and they failed because it continued.

I don’t know how I could even live with myself, let alone go on a TV interview and try to repair my reputation by making excuses.

267 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 4, 2015 3:49:41am

re: #265 Timothy Watson

The Brookings Institution isn’t a neocon outfit, right? Are they just idiots?

They had one of their talking heads on WTOP and sheesh.

The Brookings Institution is basically a Magical Balance Fairy outfit these days.

268 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 4, 2015 3:50:29am

re: #264 Justanotherhuman

I don’t really watch the show. What is Jim Bob’s actual profession?

269 Frenchy  Jun 4, 2015 3:52:03am

re: #262 weave

That they did the interview at all can only be chalked up to extreme hubris. I think the only thing for them to do in this situation was just say “no comment”, realize that their 15 minutes of fame are over and done with, fade away into obscurity and hope everyone forgets about them, and (if they have any decency at all) try to privately repair the damage done to their family.

But they of course do the exact opposite of all that.

270 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2015 3:54:32am

re: #268 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Professional huckster and PT real estate agent, iirc. His mommy had money from her own land investments which probably wound up in his hands. He allegedly runs her “real estate” co from the Duggar house now.

271 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 4, 2015 3:56:06am

re: #270 Justanotherhuman

Thanks. I know they make enough off of the show not to have to really work. I figured it had to be some kind of bullshit career for him not to have to go out 9-5 every day.

272 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2015 3:57:40am

re: #270 Justanotherhuman

The Duggars also were organizing and hosting “financial freedom” seminars given by another member of the Gothard cult; don’t know if they still do.

At any rate, Jim Bob seems to have so many irons in the fire to get money I doubt either of them actually had that much time with their kids except for the cameras.

273 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 4, 2015 4:03:51am

Per a comment at another site, as mentioned upthread, there appear to be discrepancies in the telling of the tale:

In the police report it describes how the oldest victim actually approached her parents about Josh touching her while they were on the couch together. The Duggars straight up lied on television tonight when they said all of the incidents were told to them by Josh.

274 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2015 4:12:48am

re: #273 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

They probably thought she lied and told her to “get over it”.

275 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2015 4:13:57am

Michelle Duggar, there’s a special place in hell for women like you, esp those who refuse to help their own daughters.

276 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jun 4, 2015 4:25:33am

The standard of leadership conduct for a solid 25%-35% of the American Public has reached so low that truly sociopathic behaviors as well as deeply criminal activities are routinely washed under the bridge and forgotten down the Fox News memory hole as quickly as possible.

This is what racism, anti-Science, and corporate money in near unlimited amounts does to a population. It will only get worse as their world view continues its decline.

277 Dark_Falcon  Jun 4, 2015 4:26:02am

re: #250 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Duggar parents address ‘19 Kids and Counting’ scandal in interview:

P.R. Expert my ass! Chad Gallagher is only expert at spewing talking points that sound good to fundies. If he had any skill or loyalty Huckabee would never have committed his fuck-up-by-the-numbers of the past week. Trying to keep his clients on the same page is only ensuring that the Duggars drag Huckabee down with them. Although from my perspective that’s actually a good outcome.

278 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 4, 2015 4:30:11am

Semi-Nazi pickup artists blame Caitlyn Jenner’s Vanity Fair cover on “ruthless agents of Zion”.

279 Dr. Matt  Jun 4, 2015 4:35:01am
280 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 4, 2015 4:40:06am

If they’d handled this appropriately after the first time, none of this would have been an issue, in my mind. The more I read about this family, the more fucked up they seem. I could have lived my whole life not knowing of their existence, and I would have been the better for it. I feel really sad for all the Duggar kids.

281 Dave In Austin  Jun 4, 2015 4:42:20am
282 William Lewis  Jun 4, 2015 4:44:20am

re: #279 Dr. Matt

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In a just world, Kelly would be facing charges as an accessory to these molestation crimes; for Aiding and abetting these felons.

283 Dr. Matt  Jun 4, 2015 4:46:30am

re: #282 William Lewis

In a just world, Kelly would be facing charges as an accessory to these molestation crimes; for Aiding and abetting these felons.

She did a great job making the Duggar’s even more hated. So, there is something “positive” about it….

284 Dr. Matt  Jun 4, 2015 4:52:13am

re: #280 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

If they’d handled this appropriately after the first time, none of this would have been an issue, in my mind. The more I read about this family, the more fucked up they seem. I could have lived my whole life not knowing of their existence, and I would have been the better for it. I feel really sad for all the Duggar kids.

The first time I heard about a family that had 19 kid for the sake of having 19 kids, I was immediately disgusted.

285 b.d.  Jun 4, 2015 4:55:12am

Contortionists in action:

286 lawhawk  Jun 4, 2015 4:58:33am

These are the people who knew, but didn’t care:

They knew. They knew Josh abused his sisters, and they did nothing. They didn’t get him proper counseling. They didn’t contact the police in a timely fashion (a criminal act). They didn’t seek counseling for their daughters.

They did nothing.

That makes them as bad as Josh, because they abetted his abuse and then buried all the details so that they could go about their own lives procreating and adding to the litter of kids that they are clearly unable to properly parent and care for. If you think I’m being harsh, just remember what Children’s services will do if and when they find that a parent doesn’t address abuse within the family. Just remember what happens when Childrens’ Services doesn’t take away a kid from an abusive situation and bad things happen to the kid.

The Duggars did nothing, and their daughters were repeatedly abused by Josh. There’s no amount of prayer that absolves them of the criminality that they allowed under their roofs.

There’s no amount of prayer for the pain and suffering that they needlessly heaped upon the daughters who did nothing wrong, but were treated as though they did - that it was somehow their fault - that they tempted their brother to sexually abuse them. Blaming the victim.

And those that defend these people? They too are more than willing to blame everyone but Josh and his parents for this. They would rather blame the media for shining the hot light on the abuse and coverup. They’d rather blame liberals than a bunch of hypocrites who were always blaming someone else - Teh GHEY! - for all manner of abuse, when they covered up a massive amount of sexual abuse - abuse under their own roof.

287 Timothy Watson  Jun 4, 2015 5:01:22am

WTFITS

Revoke Caitlyn Jenner’s Olympic medals.

Dear International Olympic Committee,

It has recently come to light that gold medalist Bruce Jenner is in fact transgender, and therefore, identifies as a woman. We congratulate Ms. Jenner on these new developments and wish her the best. However, this creates somewhat of a problem as Ms. Jenner (as talented as she is) claims that she has always believed herself to be truly female, and therefore, was in violation of committee rules regarding women competing in men’s sports and vice versa. Therefore, it is with a heavy heart that we must ask whether or not it is proper that Ms. Jenner should retain her olympic records in light of this, as we must now either claim that Bruce Jenner and Caitlyn Jenner are two entirely different people (which we know is not true), or that Bruce Jenner was, in fact, a woman participating in a men’s event. It is only fair to all involved that women receive their credit as champions of the Decathalon and that the men racing Ms. Jenner are not expected to compete with a superior, streamlined being such as herself.

change.org

288 Dr. Matt  Jun 4, 2015 5:09:24am

These are actual comments on Salon regarding the child molester Duggar. What a fucking cesspool:

Conservativeslayer 2 minutes ago
Honestly, how many of you people would turn your kid into the police? If you said you would, I bet a lot of you are lying. Especially knowing how much police brutality goes on in jails and prisons.

robcrawford 16 minutes ago
Does anyone else think this has reached a level of hysteria and excessive Schadenfreude, due to a political agenda? He was an adolescent, uninformed due to his nutty upbringing, and he did some groping (ok, they could be lying about that, but I don’t think so). If it was rape, that is a different matter, but it appears he was experimenting, a bit desperately given that he was completely ignorant of the birds and the bees and full of new feelings - he was horny and couldn’t control himself.

289 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 4, 2015 5:16:00am

This made me so angry:

Plaintiff In Jewish ‘Gay Conversion’ Suit Tells Of Therapy Methods

Jersey City, NJ - One of four plaintiffs who sued a nonprofit that promised to turn them from gay to heterosexual wept on the witness stand Wednesday as he described cutting off contact with his mother after being told she was the cause of his homosexuality.

Benjamin Unger also described for jurors an exercise in which he was encouraged to take a tennis racket and repeatedly beat a pillow, meant to symbolize his mother.

“I had a gash in my hand” from taking so many swipes with the racket, Unger said.

The four men sued Jersey City-based Jews Offering New Alternatives for Healing in 2012 under New Jersey’s consumer fraud laws, claiming the group violated state consumer fraud laws by characterizing homosexuality as a mental disorder and claiming it could successfully change patients’ sexual orientation.

The plaintiffs say they underwent treatment that included being told to spend more time naked with their fathers and participating in role-playing in which they were subjected to anti-gay slurs in a locker room setting.

The group’s attorney said during his opening statement Wednesday that even the plaintiffs’ experts will testify that its methods are commonly used by therapists and that some patients have reported successful experiences.

Three of the four plaintiffs were young men from Orthodox Jewish families, plaintiffs’ attorney David Dinielli said, who were grappling with their sexuality in a culture in which “there were no gay people” and there was pressure to marry and have children. The fourth, Michael Ferguson, is a Mormon who sought out JONAH.

“My clients needed help but JONAH lied and JONAH made it worse,” Dinielli told jurors. “All they got was junk science and so-called cures.”

Now here’s some brain bleach.

290 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 4, 2015 5:18:31am

Until they started the whitewashing tour on TV (and I saw screencaps here), I had no idea what this goober Joe-Jim-Bob-whatever Duggar looked like. WTF is in the water down there that specimens like this can get these harems of brainwashed women? If I had to pick the guy who was destined to die a virgin out of a huge lineup, he’d be it. Must be a regional thing.

291 Dr. Matt  Jun 4, 2015 5:23:03am

NOT a parody account:

292 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 4, 2015 5:32:44am

re: #245 piratedan

It’s about what I suspected. Too many reasons for them to do into full-denial mode and attempt to bury or ride things out. And their surrounding community/advisers/friends are abetting that approach.

At this point I also think the parents are in Paterno-land in terms of the actual events. The story of the daughters “not knowing” is their band-aid for denying any damage to them (or their neglect in that regard), and also simplifies the issue to just dealing with Josh. That these happenings corresponded with Jim-Bob’s political career and getting the TV show off the ground would just be more motivation to cover-up and deny.

And unless they are complete empathy-less scum they have to bury this and pave it over with thoughts of God’s forgiveness. Otherwise they would have to face up to the massive hypocrisy and lies of their lives for the past decade plus.

And given the patriarchal nature of this clan this gets laid at the feet of Jim-Bob. Some pity for the wife, but she also has apparently accepted being a subservient breeder without any thought of challenging unethical and harmful actions. And that is giving her maximum benefit of the doubt.

293 lawhawk  Jun 4, 2015 5:33:10am
294 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 4, 2015 5:45:08am

Much as I miss TBogg’s Basset Hounds, he has a pretty good analysis of Megyn Kelly’s coached testimony from the Duggars here:

The Duggars: The real ‘bad guys’ are the people who blew our conspiracy of silence about our pervy son.

295 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 4, 2015 5:53:58am

Good morning Lizards. Cloudy and cool for early June here in Philly. I don’t mind it since I prefer the cooler temps. Can sleep with the windows open — except for the %**&%% construction people a block down running a table saw until after midnight. My guess is they were cutting dry wall.

Finished the fourth carousel of slides last night. Middle of the “big” western vacation trip in 1971. Will probably post some pics from the next carousel since the Yellowstone segment is starting and there *will* *be* *geysers*.

;)

296 Dr. Matt  Jun 4, 2015 6:05:26am

I just started watching the video. Jim Bob is clearly a fucking liar. First he’s stating that Josh touched the girls over their clothes and the girls didn’t know it even happened. He continues throughout the interview to state that Josh ” touched the girls over their clothes” and then quickly slips in that once it was under the clothes, but only for a few seconds. Jim Bob even says “the law allows for parents to do what they think is best for their child”. WTF?!!? Is this what they teach in homeschooling!? Jim Bob is fucking creepy. I won’t be surprised if it is revealed that he’s a pedophile. I need another shower.

297 Iwouldprefernotto  Jun 4, 2015 6:07:52am

re: #291 Dr. Matt

NOT a parody account:

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The ghost of chucky

298 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 4, 2015 6:08:11am

re: #296 Dr. Matt

The more I hear about this interview (I’m choosing not to watch it to preserve my sanity) the more I am convinced of two things:
1. Ma and Pa Duggar are batshit crazy.
2. Ma and Pa Duggar dug their own grave (metaphorically speaking) with this interview. TMI. Again, see #1.

299 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 4, 2015 6:09:30am

Morning, Lizards

300 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 4, 2015 6:09:54am

re: #296 Dr. Matt

Jim Bob

301 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 4, 2015 6:10:39am

re: #291 Dr. Matt

NOT a parody account:

“Hey, we’re just asking questions…”

302 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 4, 2015 6:12:12am

re: #268 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I don’t really watch the show. What is Jim Bob’s actual profession?

Good question.

303 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 4, 2015 6:14:11am

re: #302 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Good question.

My guess is “Christian Evangelical Grifter”.

304 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 4, 2015 6:15:52am

re: #303 Feline Fearless Leader

My guess is “Christian Evangelical Grifter”.

Semen implanter

305 Eventual Carrion  Jun 4, 2015 6:18:37am

re: #300 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Jim Bob

The Walton’s gone bad.

306 Dr. Matt  Jun 4, 2015 6:19:05am

re: #298 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The more I hear about this interview (I’m choosing not to watch it to preserve my sanity) the more I am convinced of two things:
1. Ma and Pa Duggar are batshit crazy.
2. Ma and Pa Duggar dug their own grave (metaphorically speaking) with this interview. TMI. Again, see #1.

Hubris of the conservative mind: “If I run to Fox “news”, they will solve everything”.

307 b.d.  Jun 4, 2015 6:20:36am

When you lose the “Entertainment Show” people, who you depend on, then you really are done.

308 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 4, 2015 6:21:23am

re: #305 Eventual Carrion

The Walton’s gone bad.

The Waltons are much worse than the Duggars in terms of the suffering they inflict on humanity.

309 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 4, 2015 6:25:59am

re: #306 Dr. Matt

Hubris of the conservative mind: “If I run to Fox “news”, they will solve everything”.

Yup, hubris. I used the same word to describe the situation UpChuck is in now. He figured he could game Twitter’s system (the Algorithm he constantly refers to now) to his advantage. Well, that didn’t work out so well when Twitter changed the rules of engagement. The nerve of them! It’s all Twitter’s fault — and the legion of evil librulz and Teh Blahs who gamed the Algorithm to chuck Chuck off Twitter.

No sense of personal responsibility is the other conversa-turd attribute.

310 Romantic Heretic  Jun 4, 2015 6:32:23am

re: #200 Tigger2

I like the way those assholes think God will forgive who they like but God wont forgive who they don’t like, Some of those people don’t live in the real world.

Once again pulling up that old Emo Phillips joke.

I used to pray for a bicycle. Then I realized I was doing it wrong so I stole a bicycle and prayed for forgiveness.

311 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2015 6:33:25am

Well, this is interesting. Will other employees of online sites follow this? It’s the Writers Guild of America—not Walmart by any means, but good on them anyway.

More: Gawker is now the 1st online-only media outlet to organize into a union - @capitalnewyork

capitalnewyork.com

312 Romantic Heretic  Jun 4, 2015 6:35:56am

re: #212 HappyWarrior

Of course. I mean I hate what she believes but she shouldn’t be murdered over it.

Pity that sentiment isn’t reciprocated. She wouldn’t even grant her ‘enemies’ (that is the entire world save for those few vicious haters like herself) the mercy of a quick death.

313 Drive By Commenter  Jun 4, 2015 6:36:00am

re: #296 Dr. Matt

I just started watching the video. Jim Bob is clearly a fucking liar. First he’s stating that Josh touched the girls over their clothes and the girls didn’t know it even happened. He continues throughout the interview to state that Josh ” touched the girls over their clothes” and then quickly slips in that once it was under the clothes, but only for a few seconds. Jim Bob even says “the law allows for parents to do what they think is best for their child”. WTF?!!? Is this what they teach in homeschooling!? Jim Bob is fucking creepy. I won’t be surprised if it is revealed that he’s a pedophile. I need another shower.

Beyond lying. You are witnessing the extent a family of creeps will go to to make a buck. And what does all religion teach of material over people? And these are their own children. Yet they have the gall to pontificate and tell others what is best and who is evil. Right. There. In. Front. Of. You.

314 Romantic Heretic  Jun 4, 2015 6:36:43am

re: #210 Cheechako

I believe that was Mark Twain.

I’m going to be MIA for the next several days. Going to have knee replacement surgery on my left knee. Now I’ll have two metallic knees to set off the detectors at the airports. As my Doctor said, “Get ‘re done so you have more time to enjoy them.”

Good luck with the surgery.

315 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 4, 2015 6:36:55am

re: #308 Lord Of The Pies

The Waltons are much worse than the Duggars in terms of the suffering they inflict on humanity.

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I think Eventual Carrion was referring to the TV show The Waltons. No argument about the Wal-Mart Waltons….

316 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 4, 2015 6:38:39am

re: #315 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I think Eventual Carrion was referring to the TV show The Waltons. No argument about the Wal-Mart Waltons….

Was The Waltons TV show about the Walmart family, or just some fictional family with the same name?

317 Eventual Carrion  Jun 4, 2015 6:38:48am

re: #308 Lord Of The Pies

The Waltons are much worse than the Duggars in terms of the suffering they inflict on humanity.

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Ha, true but I was goofing on Jim Bob, Mary Ellen, John Boy from the TV show The Walton’s.

318 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2015 6:40:47am

What grown man goes by the name Jim Bob? If that were the case in every name combination, I know someone who would be Jim Dick.

It’s so damned juvenile.

319 b.d.  Jun 4, 2015 6:41:23am
320 b.d.  Jun 4, 2015 6:43:03am

re: #317 Eventual Carrion

Ha, true but I was goofing on Jim Bob, Mary Ellen, John Boy from the TV show The Walton’s.

Be careful, John Boy is now a big shot in the FBI.

(The Americans)

321 Drive By Commenter  Jun 4, 2015 6:43:54am

re: #318 Justanotherhuman

What grown man goes by the name Jim Bob? If that were the case in every name combination, I know someone who would be Jim Dick.

It’s so damned juvenile.

It’s because his other brothers name was Jim and he had to be Jim Bob to cut down on the confusion. Ask his sisters Mary Sue and Mary about that…..

322 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 4, 2015 6:44:03am

re: #316 Lord Of The Pies

Was The Waltons TV show about the Walmart family, or just some fictional family with the same name?

Fictional family same name

323 Bubblehead II  Jun 4, 2015 6:45:03am

re: #316 Lord Of The Pies

Was The Waltons TV show about the Walmart family, or just some fictional family with the same name?

The Waltons

324 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 4, 2015 6:45:25am

re: #318 Justanotherhuman

What grown man goes by the name Jim Bob? If that were the case in every name combination, I know someone who would be Jim Dick.

It’s so damned juvenile.

It’s a Southern thang. People go by two names. Peggy Sue. Bobby Jo. Jim Bob.

325 Eventual Carrion  Jun 4, 2015 6:45:26am

re: #316 Lord Of The Pies

Was The Waltons TV show about the Walmart family, or just some fictional family with the same name?

I think fictional family. Jim Bob was one of the boys.

326 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2015 6:47:05am

re: #321 Drive By Commenter

He only has one older sister, Deanna, no brothers.

327 Drive By Commenter  Jun 4, 2015 6:48:58am

re: #326 Justanotherhuman

He only has one older sister, Deanna, no brothers.

In jest.

328 Romantic Heretic  Jun 4, 2015 6:49:16am

re: #239 Shiplord Kirel

Sweet! What a gorgeous airplane.

One of the reasons I play War Thunder is to be able to fly, in simulation, planes like that.

…

329 bratwurst  Jun 4, 2015 6:50:07am

DONE!

330 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 4, 2015 6:50:52am

re: #325 Eventual Carrion

I think fictional family. Jim Bob was one of the boys.

I never watched it, but I had this vague notion that it was about the origins of the Walmart family. Glad to find out it wasn’t.

331 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 4, 2015 6:51:42am

re: #325 Eventual Carrion

I think fictional family. Jim Bob was one of the boys.

Quasi-fictional. Earl Hamner Jr. wrote a book, Spencer’s Mountain, based on his own childhood, then adapted it to the big screen, and finally as the TV series, The Waltons. en.wikipedia.org.

Hamner is still alive, age 91.

332 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 4, 2015 6:52:49am

re: #329 bratwurst

DONE!

Nobody cares about Lindsey today. Rick Perry’s climbing on the clown car!

Then next week sometime Jeb! will officially declare and we can go back to not caring about Rick Perry anymore.

Then sometime after that True Detective Season 2 starts and we can go back to not caring about any of the clown car riders.

333 wrenchwench  Jun 4, 2015 6:53:23am
334 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 4, 2015 6:53:42am

re: #330 Lord Of The Pies

I never watched it, but I had this vague notion that it was about the origins of the Walmart family. Glad to find out it wasn’t.

Wasn’t everyone legally required to watch The Waltons in the ‘70’s?

335 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 4, 2015 6:54:19am

re: #331 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Quasi-fictional. Earl Hamner Jr. wrote a book, Spencer’s Mountain, based on his own childhood, then adapted it to the big screen, and finally as the TV series, The Waltons. en.wikipedia.org.

Hamner is still alive, age 91.

Learn something new every day.

336 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 4, 2015 6:55:39am

Meanwhile Ted Cruz is really sorry if anyone was offended by his Joe Biden joke.

/

337 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 4, 2015 6:55:51am

re: #330 Lord Of The Pies

I never watched it, but I had this vague notion that it was about the origins of the Walmart family. Glad to find out it wasn’t.

TV trivia time: The man who played patriarch John Walton also played the curmudgeonly father of Jethro Gibbs in NCIS. en.wikipedia.org

He was also a Democrat, bless his soul.

338 ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2015 6:56:29am

Morning!

I saw upthread the revelation that Pam Geller was a supposed target by Usaamah Rahim, the Boston guy shot dead by the Boston police.

Well, for the very first time ever, the name Pam Geller was mentioned on local Columbus TV. The NBC morning news show said she was a target.

Then a bit later, I heard another report where I think it was the Boston Police Chief said Geller wasn’t really a target, more a fantasy by Rahim. It almost sounded like he didn’t want to give her any credit for being a shit-stirrer. Seems the police know about her and aren’t big fans.

Oh yeah, Geller is referenced as the person responsible for putting on the Mohammed cartoon drawing contest in Garland Texas and an anti-sharia law activist.

Ugh. She doesn’t need any notoriety. It will go straight to that crazy head.

339 Drive By Commenter  Jun 4, 2015 6:57:28am

re: #329 bratwurst

He’s going to step out of that closet with a big ass can of Whoop Assssss. Lindsay “Kill” Graham. Don’t mess with him. He’ll cut you.

340 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 4, 2015 6:58:29am

re: #337 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

TV trivia time: The man who played patriarch John Walton also played the curmudgeonly father of Jethro Gibbs in NCIS. en.wikipedia.org

He was also a Democrat, bless his soul.

Grandpa was pretty cool, too, apparently.

en.wikipedia.org

[Will]Geer was born in Frankfort, Indiana, the son of Katherine (née Aughe), a teacher, and Roy Aaron Ghere, a postal worker.[1][2] He was deeply influenced by his grandfather, who taught him the botanical names of the plants in his native state. Geer started out to become a botanist, studying the subject and obtaining a master’s degree at the University of Chicago. While at Chicago he also became a member of Lambda Chi Alpha Fraternity.

He began his acting career touring in tent shows and on river boats. He worked on several left-oriented documentaries, including narrating Sheldon Dick’s Men and Dust, about silicosis among miners.

341 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 4, 2015 6:58:34am

re: #338 ObserverArt

I was going to make a remark earlier conflating Geller with Medusa, but decided it was probably in poor taste.

342 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 4, 2015 6:59:40am

[Spends morning at work reading up on history and character of The Waltons on Wikipedia….]

343 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2015 6:59:42am

re: #338 ObserverArt

The original story was that these guys were going to kill cops, their original targets.

Geller never got a mention whatsoever.

344 ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2015 7:00:37am

re: #336 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Meanwhile Ted Cruz is really sorry if anyone was offended by his Joe Biden joke.

/

Hope you don’t mind…a little touch up.

I think Ted did himself some major damage.

It was a good night to Duggar a hole for some careers.

(My new political verb for burying your name/career - Duggar!)

345 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2015 7:01:18am

IOKIYAR

Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson earned up to $27 million in last 16 months, mainly from book royalties and paid speeches - @rebeccaballhaus

346 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 4, 2015 7:02:13am

re: #340 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Grandpa was pretty cool, too, apparently.

en.wikipedia.org

Geer was also gay, and joined the Communist party. Was blacklisted in the ’50s, but appeared in a shitload of movies and TV shows, nonetheless. You’ll see him in Westerns a lot.

347 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2015 7:02:39am
348 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 4, 2015 7:03:32am

re: #345 Justanotherhuman

IOKIYAR

Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson earned up to $27 million in last 16 months, mainly from book royalties and paid speeches - @rebeccaballhaus

Regular man of the people.

If we all work hard enough we too can earn up to $27 mill giving speeches.

/

349 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 4, 2015 7:03:53am

Michelle Duggar’s mullet is just the icing on the crazy cake.

350 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 4, 2015 7:04:12am

re: #334 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Wasn’t everyone legally required to watch The Waltons in the ‘70’s?

I just couldn’t. John-Boy gives me the freakin’ heebie-jeebies. He found his niche in You’ll Like My Mother.

351 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 4, 2015 7:04:16am

re: #348 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Regular man of the people.

If we all work hard enough we too can earn up to $27 mill giving speeches.

/

BUT HILLARY HURR HURR!!!!!!!

352 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 4, 2015 7:04:25am

re: #342 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

[Spends morning at work reading up on history and character of The Waltons on Wikipedia….]

There are worse ways to kill time.

I watched a good bit of the series. The writing and acting were both really good, especially for the John Boy character, who is essentially Hamner himself.

353 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2015 7:04:40am

re: #349 Lord Of The Pies

Michelle Duggar’s mullet is just the icing on the crazy cake.

Someone on twitter said her hair looks like cocker spaniel ears.

354 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2015 7:04:57am

These Republicans—none of them—can be allowed to run this country any more than they already do.

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker says he would approve state’s bill that would ban abortions after 20 weeks, including cases of rape and incest - @CBSPolitics
cbsnews.com

355 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 4, 2015 7:05:01am
The town of Walton’s Mountain was built in the rear area of the Warner Bros. Studios, but the mountain itself was part of the range opposite Warner studios in Burbank, California. The Waltons’ house facade was built in the back of the Warner Brothers lot. After the series concluded, the set was destroyed.

Damn. Is there nothing pure in America anymore?

/

356 makeitstop  Jun 4, 2015 7:05:16am

re: #210 Cheechako

I believe that was Mark Twain.

I’m going to be MIA for the next several days. Going to have knee replacement surgery on my left knee. Now I’ll have two metallic knees to set off the detectors at the airports. As my Doctor said, “Get ‘re done so you have more time to enjoy them.”

Actually, Calrence Darrow. (Didn’t read through, so apologies if this has been answered.)

357 Eventual Carrion  Jun 4, 2015 7:05:52am

re: #330 Lord Of The Pies

I never watched it, but I had this vague notion that it was about the origins of the Walmart family. Glad to find out it wasn’t.

Just a hokey, feel good TV series set in the depression era.

358 Eventual Carrion  Jun 4, 2015 7:07:03am

re: #333 wrenchwench

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Didn’t we already have this trial YEARS ago.

359 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 4, 2015 7:08:20am

re: #347 Justanotherhuman

Why does Democrat party hate successful people!?!?!?!?

360 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 4, 2015 7:08:56am

Michelle Duggar doubles down on her anti-transgender robocalls==>
…

361 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2015 7:10:10am

I found out on NPR earlier that McCrory will sign a bill in NC that contains a 3 day waiting period for abortions. Fuckers.

(snip)

The House initially approved the abortion measure in April. It also requires doctors who perform an abortion when the fetus is more than 16 weeks old to transmit ultrasounds to the Department of Health and Human Services in Raleigh so state officials could determine whether anyone was violating the ban on abortion following 20 weeks.

However, the Senate combined the bill, now titled the Women and Children’s Protection Act, with several criminal law provisions, such as cracking down on sex offenders who commit crimes in other states and then move to North Carolina and making it easier for women to seek legal protection from domestic violence.

Rep. Mickey Michaux, D-Durham, used a parliamentary maneuver to try to sever the non-abortion portions from the bill and allow the House to take two votes, but members defeated that effort 47-68.

Read more at wral.com

362 Romantic Heretic  Jun 4, 2015 7:10:40am

re: #262 weave

I can’t even begin to understand the mental gymnastics involved here…

That’s why so many of those types of people have broken minds and twisted ethics.

363 ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2015 7:10:50am

re: #358 Eventual Carrion

Didn’t we already have this trial YEARS ago.

Another fine example of “if you don’t learn your lessons, history will repeat itself.”

Some fundies never learn anything. History, their own religion…

364 sagehen  Jun 4, 2015 7:10:59am

re: #350 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I just couldn’t. John-Boy gives me the freakin’ heebie-jeebies. He found his niche in You’ll Like My Mother.

The actor is now on “The Americans”, playing the head of the FBI’s counter-espionage division. Three seasons into the show, and I still see John-Boy every time I look at him (it only took one season for me to see “new character” instead of “actor’s previous job” on Babylon 5 or Hawaii Five-0).

365 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 4, 2015 7:11:47am

Horrific:
Texas House Proposal Would Force Women to Carry Non-Viable Fetuses to Term

Rep. Matt Schaefer (R-Tyler) put forward an amendment that would make it illegal to terminate a pregnancy after 20 weeks, even if a fetus “has a severe and irreversible abnormality,” effectively forcing families with wanted, but unsustainable pregnancies to carry to term at the behest of the state and against the advice of their doctors or their own wishes.

Schaefer said, during debate over his amendment, that suffering is “part of the human condition, since sin entered the world.”

366 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 4, 2015 7:12:57am

re: #364 sagehen

The actor is now on “The Americans”, playing the head of the FBI’s counter-espionage division. Three seasons into the show, and I still see John-Boy every time I look at him (it only took one season for me to see “new character” instead of “actor’s previous job” on Babylon 5 or Hawaii Five-0).

I see Neil Patrick Harris and think “Doogie Hauser.”

367 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 7:13:26am

re: #329 bratwurst

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DONE!

Happy to so Linz.

368 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2015 7:13:57am

Anyone else notice that Michelle Duggar is holding a script on her lap and Jim Bob is holding a lit-up iPod (or something similar) during the interview?

369 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 4, 2015 7:14:20am

re: #365 Lord Of The Pies

Horrific:
Texas House Proposal Would Force Women to Carry Non-Viable Fetuses to Term

Moar less government I see.

/

370 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 4, 2015 7:14:34am

Hey where’s FemNaziBitch these days?

371 ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2015 7:15:46am

re: #368 Backwoods_Sleuth

Anyone else notice that Michelle Duggar is holding a script on her lap and Jim Bob is holding a lit-up iPod (or something similar) during the interview?

Teleprompters!!!

372 weave  Jun 4, 2015 7:17:40am

re: #365 Lord Of The Pies

Schaefer said, during debate over his amendment, that suffering is “part of the human condition, since sin entered the world.”

Of course, once that child is born, conservatives won’t want the same government that forced them to have it to help the family raise it through any social services or financial assistance.

373 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 7:17:57am

re: #243 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Since we’re being quiet:

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Heh the journal I got for impromptu writing has that as its cover. Cool image.

374 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 4, 2015 7:18:04am

Alex Jones: While You Were Staring At Caitlyn Jenner’s Funbags, Obama Grabbed Your Guns.

375 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 4, 2015 7:18:18am

re: #368 Backwoods_Sleuth

Anyone else notice that Michelle Duggar is holding a script on her lap and Jim Bob is holding a lit-up iPod (or something similar) during the interview?

Probably the notes prepared by their PR handler.

376 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2015 7:18:22am

re: #365 Lord Of The Pies

If Texas women would think about it, they’d pull a different kind of Lysistrata on these fuckers, because this really is a war on women and it’s no comedy.

Except then, these assholes would probably legislate rape as a means of men getting what they want, in every instance.

Women should always have autonomy over their own bodies. Always.

377 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 7:18:54am

re: #372 weave

Of course, once that child is born, conservatives won’t want the same government that forced them to have it to help the family raise it through any social services or financial assistance.

And there you have in a nutshell what has always bothered me about the political pro-life movement. They truly are pro-life right until birth.

378 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2015 7:18:56am

re: #368 Backwoods_Sleuth

Gotta keep “on message”, doncha know.

379 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 7:19:42am

re: #374 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Alex Jones: While You Were Staring At Caitlyn Jenner’s Funbags, Obama Grabbed Your Guns.

Actually Alex due to paranoids like you gun owners have more guns than ever.

380 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 7:21:38am

Michelle was trying to claim that the girls feel more victimized by the revelations than the crimes themselves. I just have to call bullshit on that. That’s such bullshit. And of course her daughters weren’t Josh’s only victims too. In covering up the molestation of their daughters, they covered up the molesting of someone else’s daughter too.

381 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 4, 2015 7:21:43am

re: #376 Justanotherhuman

If Texas women would think about it, they’d pull a different kind of Lysistrata on these fuckers, because this really is a war on women and it’s no comedy.

Except then, these assholes would probably legislate rape as a means of men getting what they want, in every instance.

Women should always have autonomy over their own bodies. Always.

Since you bring up Lysistrata, I always thought it ironic that it was a play written by a dude for other dudes to be performed in a theater women weren’t even allowed to attend, much less act in.

382 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 4, 2015 7:22:13am

re: #379 HappyWarrior

Actually Alex due to paranoids like you gun owners have more guns than ever.

One of my freshmen asked me about guns in America today. She believed that everyone in America has a gun, and thought that was rather dangerous.

383 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 4, 2015 7:22:15am

re: #379 HappyWarrior

Actually Alex due to paranoids like you gun owners have more guns than ever.

“Conspiracy theorist extraordinaire Alex Jones always has his finger on the prostate of The Real Story that everybody’s missing, if people could only OPEN THEIR EYES!”

384 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 7:23:45am

re: #382 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

One of my freshmen asked me about guns in America today. She believed that everyone in America has a gun, and thought that was rather dangerous.

I would too. From what I understand the percentage of Americans who own guns has actually decreased but average guns per gun owner has gone up which makes sense. I think our gun culture disturbs a lot of foreigners and hell it disturbs me too.

385 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 7:24:06am

re: #383 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

They ignored him when he told the truth about Newtown.//

386 Dr Lizardo  Jun 4, 2015 7:24:30am

re: #365 Lord Of The Pies

Horrific:
Texas House Proposal Would Force Women to Carry Non-Viable Fetuses to Term

Maybe Rep. Schaefer there would be so kind as to explain the difference between himself and, say, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi?

I’m looking forward to his reply.

Seriously - what manner of fuckery is going on in Texas? Makes me think about selling the whole state lock, stock and barrel to Mexico (no offense to any Lizards who may be resident in TX).

387 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 4, 2015 7:24:39am

re: #381 Lord Of The Pies

Since you bring up Lysistrata, I always thought it ironic that it was a play written by a dude for other dudes to be performed in a theater women weren’t even allowed to attend, much less act in.

In Athens, women were allowed to attend tragedies, but they had to leave when comedies came on.

388 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 4, 2015 7:26:26am

re: #387 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

In Athens, women were allowed to attend tragedies, but they had to leave when comedies came on.

Lysistrata was a comedy. I had to read it in high school. The theme was actually making fun of women, HURR HURR LOOK AT THIS AWESOME POWER TEH BITCHEZ HAS, BUT THEY TOO DUMB & SLUTTY TO USE IT!!!!!

389 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 4, 2015 7:27:04am

re: #384 HappyWarrior

I would too. From what I understand the percentage of Americans who own guns has actually decreased but average guns per gun owner has gone up which makes sense. I think our gun culture disturbs a lot of foreigners and hell it disturbs me too.

I told her I, my father, and his father never owned guns, partly because we were not hunters and we lived in metro NY. One of my ex-brother-in-laws does hunt, and he has one shotgun, one rifle and a pistol. And that’s about it for my family, AFAIK.

Well, a stepson used to be security guard and an MP. He probably has a service weapon around in a lockbox at home.

390 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2015 7:27:49am

Oh hell.

Seoul doctor diagnosed with Middle East respiratory syndrome came into direct or indirect contact with 1,000 people, city official says - @TheKoreaHerald
koreaherald.com

391 makeitstop  Jun 4, 2015 7:28:14am

re: #291 Dr. Matt

NOT a parody account:

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‘Abuse aside?’ Seriously, fuck her.

392 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 4, 2015 7:28:51am

re: #390 Justanotherhuman

Oh hell.

Seoul doctor diagnosed with Middle East respiratory syndrome came into direct or indirect contact with 1,000 people, city official says - @TheKoreaHerald
koreaherald.com

They have quarantined 18 Koreans visiting Hong Kong who are suspected of having MERS.

393 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2015 7:29:02am

re: #389 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’ve never owned a gun and prior to my son getting one in the last year, no one else in my family did, AFAIK.

394 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 7:30:07am

re: #389 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I told her I, my father, and his father never owned guns, partly because we were not hunters and we lived in metro NY. One of my ex-brother-in-laws does hunt, and he has one shotgun, one rifle and a pistol. And that’s about it for my family, AFAIK.

Well, a stepson used to be security guard and an MP. He probably has a service weapon around in a lockbox at home.

A lot of the men on my mom’s side of the family owned guns. Grandpa liked to hunt from time to time when he was younger and I’m pretty sure it was the case for his brothers and my grandma’s too but no one on my Dad’s side does that I know.

395 ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2015 7:30:19am

re: #380 HappyWarrior

Michelle was trying to claim that the girls feel more victimized by the revelations than the crimes themselves. I just have to call bullshit on that. That’s such bullshit. And of course her daughters weren’t Josh’s only victims too. In covering up the molestation of their daughters, they covered up the molesting of someone else’s daughter too.

It will be interesting to see if any of the young Duggar women decide to leave that family behind for their own sanity.

Maybe some lights are coming on in the Duggar home. I sure as hell hope so.

396 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 4, 2015 7:30:21am

re: #393 Justanotherhuman

I’ve never owned a gun and prior to my son getting one in the last year, no one else in my family did, AFAIK.

We are apparently not Real Americans, and should turn in our national ID cards.

Oh, wait …

397 Romantic Heretic  Jun 4, 2015 7:31:44am

re: #365 Lord Of The Pies

Schaefer said, during debate over his amendment, that suffering is “part of the human condition, since sin entered the world.”

You don’t know anything about suffering, you heartless dick. I won’t say more as it might be legally actionable.

398 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 7:32:12am

re: #395 ObserverArt

It will be interesting to see if any of the young Duggar women decide to leave that family behind for their own sanity.

Maybe some lights are coming on in the Duggar home. I sure as hell hope so.

I hope so but from what I saw last night, it’s not the case with Jenna or Jill. Someone posted here that one of the daughters wanted to move to NY and Jim Bob forbade it and then suggested it would be okay for her to move to D.C. but if Josh lived with her and then she changed her mind.

399 makeitstop  Jun 4, 2015 7:32:21am

re: #320 b.d.

Be careful, John Boy is now a big shot in the FBI.

(The Americans)

I dig that show. Still have a few episodes to catch up on, thanks for the reminder.

400 b.d.  Jun 4, 2015 7:33:10am

re: #374 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Alex Jones: While You Were Staring At Caitlyn Jenner’s Funbags, Obama Grabbed Your Guns.

I hope he didn’t touch my heirloom seeds or my colloidal silver.

//

401 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 4, 2015 7:37:40am

re: #379 HappyWarrior

Actually Alex due to paranoids like you gun owners have more guns than ever.

I don’t understand the big hoo-hah about Caitlyn in some quarters. I heard about it, saw the VF cover, shrugged my shoulders and got on with my life. From the reactions of some, you’d think the freakin’ world was coming to an end TOMORROW! because Bruce became Caitlyn.

Jeez, people. Get a life.

402 Decatur Deb  Jun 4, 2015 7:37:40am

re: #382 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

One of my freshmen asked me about guns in America today. She believed that everyone in America has a gun, and thought that was rather dangerous.

She’s just about right, on ‘average’.

403 ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2015 7:38:13am

Did the architects of the GOP platform on Pro Life and Women’s Issues study under Josef Mengele???

Damn, some of this is just pure evil.

And men…it is all brought up by men. Is the whole state of Texas Duggarville???

By the way, saw the mention of FemNazi not being around. Hope she is okay. But I imagine she is absolutely furious over this Duggar crap and some of these abortion laws being mentioned.

And with that…gotta get busy. Later all!

404 darthstar  Jun 4, 2015 7:39:09am
405 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 7:39:46am

re: #401 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I don’t understand the big hoo-hah about Caitlyn in some quarters. I heard about it, saw the VF cover, shrugged my shoulders and got on with my life. From the reactions of some, you’d think the freakin’ world was coming to an end TOMORROW! because Bruce became Caitlyn.

Jeez, people. Get a life.

I don’t either. I can even understand why it may be a little shocking but to be an object dick over it and act like society’s doomed because of it or what Alex Jones said yesterday. Sheesh.

406 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 7:40:18am

re: #404 darthstar

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407 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 4, 2015 7:41:15am

re: #405 HappyWarrior

I don’t either. I can even understand why it may be a little shocking but to be an object dick over it and act like society’s doomed because of it or what Alex Jones said yesterday. Sheesh.

And more “throat-cramming”. What is it with right-wingers and the throat-cramming?

408 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2015 7:42:08am
409 Decatur Deb  Jun 4, 2015 7:42:23am

re: #379 HappyWarrior

Actually Alex due to paranoids like you gun owners have more guns than ever.

If you want a gun, Obama will sell you one, cheaply.

thecmp.org

410 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 4, 2015 7:42:46am

re: #397 Romantic Heretic

You don’t know anything about suffering, you heartless dick. I won’t say more as it might be legally actionable.

Schaefer said, during debate over his amendment, that suffering is “part of the human condition, since sin entered the world.”

But you can’t take mah Freedoms and gunz!!!!1 Repeal Obamacare!!!!11

411 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 4, 2015 7:43:50am

re: #405 HappyWarrior

I don’t either. I can even understand why it may be a little shocking but to be an object dick over it and act like society’s doomed because of it or what Alex Jones said yesterday. Sheesh.

It was a surprise to me, because I don’t follow the Jenners or the Kardashians at all. But it wasn’t like my jaw dropped to the floor, and I said, WHAT! Say it ain’t so!! It’s Jenner’s business, not mine, and it has zero effect on my life. Anyway, I have two former (girl) students who are now former (boy) students, and I guess I’m just keeping up with the times better than some others.

412 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 7:44:44am

re: #407 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

And more “throat-cramming”. What is it with right-wingers and the throat-cramming?

They do love that metaphor a lot. There’s so much going down their throats. Gay weddings, health care reform, Caitlyn Jenner, etc.

413 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 4, 2015 7:45:08am

re: #407 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

And more “throat-cramming”. What is it with right-wingers and the throat-cramming?

Something to do with their off-hours activities, perhaps?

414 piratedan  Jun 4, 2015 7:45:55am

re: #413 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

yeah, but they never swallowed, or inhaled….

415 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 7:46:17am

re: #411 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It was a surprise to me, because I don’t follow the Jenners or the Kardashians at all. But it wasn’t like my jaw dropped to the floor, and I said, WHAT! Say it ain’t so!! It’s Jenner’s business, not mine, and it has zero effect on my life. Anyway, I have two former (girl) students who are now former (boy) students, and I guess I’m just keeping up with the times better than some others.

I’ve never actually met anyone transgender that I know of. However, as with gay friends and classmates I’ve had, I would continue to treat them with the same respect as before. I won’t insult Caitlyn and call her Bruce or “he” because it’s common respect.

416 ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2015 7:48:17am

Okay…I haven’t left. Yet.

After reading a couple more comments I wanted to put up a very fitting tune for some of the discussion.

It came out in 1972, the year I entered art college and got to meet art students from great places like New York, LA, Pittsburgh, Detroit, Philly, Atlanta. And some of them were admitted gay. One, Rondney, became a really great friend. And he never pushed it on anyone.

1972.

43 Years!

…

417 Dr Lizardo  Jun 4, 2015 7:48:39am

re: #413 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Something to do with their off-hours activities, perhaps?

Something do to with their fantasies, more likely.

418 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 7:49:22am

re: #417 Dr Lizardo

Something do to with their fantasies, more likely.

I definitely think there’s a lot of fantasy and repression involving sexuality in the right wing world.

419 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2015 7:49:43am

There is nothing in AR law that mandates that an adult, other than those mentioned below, to report any instance of child sexual abuse in Arkansas. Only public condemnation can cause any punishment to the Duggar miscreants. Tell me the Duggars didn’t know this. As a State rep, JB would have had access to anyone who knew, even if he didn’t himself and he acted accordingly, to cover it up. I imagine there’s a whole lot of that kind of shit happening there.

ncsl.org

Arkansas
2013 HB 1262
Provides for mandated reporter training In the 2013-2014 school year and every fourth school year thereafter.
Enacted

Arkansas
2013 HB 1447
Adds reproductive healthcare facility employees and volunteers to mandated reporters.
Enacted

Arkansas
2013 HB 1451
Requires mandatory reporters to, within ten days after calling the hotline, to report in writing each instance of alleged or suspected abuse, sexual abuse, or sexual crimes against a child to the appropriate law enforcement or designated state agencies.
Failed

420 Timothy Watson  Jun 4, 2015 7:50:13am

re: #409 Decatur Deb

If you want a gun, Obama will sell you one, cheaply.

thecmp.org

Those don’t have to go through an FFL?

421 De Kolta Chair  Jun 4, 2015 7:51:20am

This must be that “Megyn Kelly Moment” that the NY Times was talking about earlier this year. //

422 Timothy Watson  Jun 4, 2015 7:51:31am

re: #419 Justanotherhuman

There is nothing in AR law that mandates that an adult, other than those mentioned below, to report any instance of child sexual abuse in Arkansas. Only public condemnation can cause any punishment to the Duggar miscreants. Tell me the Duggars didn’t know this. As a State rep, JB would have had access to anyone who knew, even if he didn’t himself and he acted accordingly, to cover it up. I imagine there’s a whole lot of that kind of shit happening there.

ncsl.org

Arkansas
2013 HB 1262
Provides for mandated reporter training In the 2013-2014 school year and every fourth school year thereafter.
Enacted

Arkansas
2013 HB 1447
Adds reproductive healthcare facility employees and volunteers to mandated reporters.
Enacted

Arkansas
2013 HB 1451
Requires mandatory reporters to, within ten days after calling the hotline, to report in writing each instance of alleged or suspected abuse, sexual abuse, or sexual crimes against a child to the appropriate law enforcement or designated state agencies.
Failed

How broad is Arkansas law’s language as it relates to child neglect/endangerment?

423 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 7:53:22am

I was perhaps naively expecting Kelly to go somewhat tough on them since she is a mother herself.

424 Dr Lizardo  Jun 4, 2015 7:54:08am

re: #418 HappyWarrior

I definitely think there’s a lot of fantasy and repression involving sexuality in the right wing world.

Were I a betting man, I’d be willing to wager quite a few bucks on that - I’m pretty sure there’s no way I could lose.

425 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2015 7:55:33am

re: #422 Timothy Watson

These laws include neglect: MANDATORY REPORTING OF CHILD ABUSE AND NEGLECT 2013 INTRODUCED STATE LEGISLATION

426 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2015 7:56:22am

re: #425 Justanotherhuman

These laws include neglect: MANDATORY REPORTING OF CHILD ABUSE AND NEGLECT 2013 INTRODUCED STATE LEGISLATION

These are laws that require certain persons to report abuse and neglect; it doesn’t include everyone who might know about it.

427 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 7:56:45am

re: #424 Dr Lizardo

Were I a betting man, I’d be willing to wager quite a few bucks on that - I’m pretty sure there’s no way I could lose.

CPAC and the other right wing events is high season for the prostitution in the DC metro area.

428 BlackPearl  Jun 4, 2015 7:57:25am

Ok, I have to point this out because no one else has, from the OP:

“the girls molested by Josh Duggar “didn’t know that anything happened.”

THIS. IS. A. LIE.

The youngest girl was awake and having a book read to her by Josh, on his lap, when he fondled her. He trapped another girl in the laundry room. This is clearly reported in the first police report that In Touch released.

429 De Kolta Chair  Jun 4, 2015 7:57:36am

re: #408 Backwoods_Sleuth

I am appalled by how Stephen Colbert, that once stalwart champion of patriotic conservative values, has sold out by becoming a comedic talk show host.

(Sarc marks deleted because dammit I’m serious. ///)

430 Dr Lizardo  Jun 4, 2015 7:58:56am

re: #427 HappyWarrior

CPAC and the other right wing events is high season for the prostitution in the DC metro area.

Oh, the stories the ladies of the evening who work those events must have.

431 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2015 7:59:34am

Another notorious twitter stalker gets zapped:

432 Dr Lizardo  Jun 4, 2015 8:00:02am

re: #428 BlackPearl

Ok, I have to point this out because no one else has, from the OP:

“the girls molested by Josh Duggar “didn’t know that anything happened.”

THIS. IS. A. LIE.

The youngest girl was awake and having a book read to her by Josh, on his lap, when he fondled her. He trapped another girl in the laundry room. This is clearly reported in the first police report that In Touch released.

Well, now; who you gonna believe - the police or those fine, upstanding, God-fearing Duggars? /////

*barf*

433 Dr Lizardo  Jun 4, 2015 8:01:43am

re: #431 Backwoods_Sleuth

Who was this m_shale individual? Aside from being obnoxious enough to get the Twitter banhammer?

434 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2015 8:02:55am

re: #433 Dr Lizardo

Who was this m_shale individual? Aside from being obnoxious enough to get the Twitter banhammer?

He’s a really nasty piece of work.

435 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 4, 2015 8:03:50am

re: #433 Dr Lizardo

Who was this m_shale individual? Aside from being obnoxious enough to get the Twitter banhammer?

Someone giving sedimentary rocks a bad name.

436 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 4, 2015 8:03:52am

re: #434 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s a really nasty piece of work.

Sounds like a Flintstones character.

437 Dr Lizardo  Jun 4, 2015 8:04:22am

re: #434 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #435 Feline Fearless Leader

Ah, OK.

438 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 4, 2015 8:04:36am

re: #434 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s a really nasty piece of work.

aka “Assholster” — yeah, I’ve heard about him

439 #FergusonFireside  Jun 4, 2015 8:05:13am

Robert Spencer on CNN right now.

:(

440 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 8:05:38am

re: #439 #FergusonFireside

Robert Spencer on CNN right now.

:(

Ack. May as well have David Duke on CNN.

441 BlackPearl  Jun 4, 2015 8:07:30am

Link to the original police report, that In Touch posted: imgur.com

And that the Duggars had the youngest victim march down to the police and have destroyed (because she’s still a minor). Because she totally did that on her own.

(Flames. On the side of my face.)

442 Drive By Commenter  Jun 4, 2015 8:09:09am

re: #329 bratwurst

I was just wondering……So a POTUS has his Cabinet……Would Lindsay, if elected, (right before the meteor impacts earth) have……a……..Closet?

443 Dr Lizardo  Jun 4, 2015 8:09:27am

re: #440 HappyWarrior

Ack. May as well have David Duke on CNN.

Today on CNN, we’ll have an interview with David Duke, a prominent civil-rights activist who campaigns on behalf of oppressed white Americans!

GAAAHHH!!!!! The stupid is becoming overwhelming - thank God I don’t have to encounter it first hand in the US, or I’d probably be screaming at my TV.

444 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 4, 2015 8:11:06am

re: #439 #FergusonFireside

Robert Spencer on CNN right now.

:(

Gah!

445 Dr Lizardo  Jun 4, 2015 8:13:33am

re: #442 Drive By Commenter

I was just wondering……So a POTUS has his Cabinet……Would Lindsay, if elected, (right before the meteor impacts earth) have……a……..Closet?

Heh, Lindsay Graham as POTUS. Fuck that……I’m voting for Lindsay Lohan!! She’s got about the same chance as getting elected, and the press conferences would certainly never be boring!

446 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 4, 2015 8:14:28am

A horrible new PayPal policy opts you into getting robocalls

The payments company is rolling out an update to its user agreement that threatens to bombard you with “autodialed or prerecorded calls and text messages” — and worse, by agreeing to the updated terms, you’re immediately opted in.

PayPal can even reach you at phone numbers that you didn’t provide. Through undisclosed means, PayPal says it has the right to contact you on numbers “we have otherwise obtained.”

447 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 4, 2015 8:17:02am

re: #431 Backwoods_Sleuth

Another notorious twitter stalker gets zapped:

Must not have used the reliable #TGDN

//

448 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 4, 2015 8:17:51am

Got a Benghazi fuckbag in my timeline.

449 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 4, 2015 8:18:22am

re: #448 Lord Of The Pies

Got a Benghazi fuckbag in my timeline.

Haven’t heard any Benghazi derp in a while. Haven’t missed it.

450 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 4, 2015 8:18:49am

re: #448 Lord Of The Pies

Got a Benghazi fuckbag in my timeline.

Hurr hurr!!

451 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2015 8:18:58am
452 Dave In Austin  Jun 4, 2015 8:19:58am

re: #349 Lord Of The Pies

Michelle Duggar’s mullet is just the icing on the crazy cake.

FYI, it’s my understanding the the female version of the “Mullet” is pronounced “Mu-lay”.

That’s French……

453 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2015 8:20:01am

So, over 2 yrs Josh Duggar confessed to his father about what he was doing, and crickets from Daddy? The Supreme Being of the Household “handled” it himself, of course.

Confessed 3 times over 2 yrs.

Let that sink in.

454 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2015 8:20:27am

re: #451 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The Fucking Internet Is Forever!

455 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 8:20:45am

re: #451 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Fucking coward.

456 sagehen  Jun 4, 2015 8:21:18am

re: #416 ObserverArt

Okay…I haven’t left. Yet.

After reading a couple more comments I wanted to put up a very fitting tune for some of the discussion.

It came out in 1972, the year I entered art college and got to meet art students from great places like New York, LA, Pittsburgh, Detroit, Philly, Atlanta. And some of them were admitted gay. One, Rondney, became a really great friend. And he never pushed it on anyone.

1972.

43 Years!

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And in a similar vein,

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457 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 4, 2015 8:21:21am

re: #452 Dave In Austin

FYI, it’s my understanding the the female version of the “Mullet” is pronounced “Mu-lay”.

That’s French……

Nah, has to be feminine: “mullette”.

458 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2015 8:22:31am

re: #453 Justanotherhuman

This means that after the first confession, Josh Duggar continued to do it, also after the second confession. It was only after the third time that Daddy Dearest decided his plan of action. And it wasn’t actually turning this little pervert in to LE, just getting “advice” and working it his way.

Fuck these fucking parents.

459 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 8:25:02am

Jim Bob is the worst actor in this I think. I know that Josh did the actual touching and assault but Jim Bob is the worst actor in this to me.

460 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 4, 2015 8:25:20am

Blocked the Benghazitard.

461 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 4, 2015 8:25:34am

re: #458 Justanotherhuman

This means that after the first confession, Josh Duggar continued to do it, also after the second confession. It was only after the third time that Daddy Dearest decided his plan of action. And it wasn’t actually turning this little pervert in to LE, just getting “advice” and working it his way.

Fuck these fucking parents.

And that’s assuming that Josh’s “confessions” were honest to the total extent of what he was doing.

462 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 4, 2015 8:25:55am

BENGHAZI TROLL HAMMER

463 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2015 8:26:56am

re: #459 HappyWarrior

He allowed it to continue for 2 years. Two fucking years, with more victims.

464 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 8:27:16am

re: #463 Justanotherhuman

He allowed it to continue for 2 years. Two fucking years, with more victims.

Exactly.

465 piratedan  Jun 4, 2015 8:27:48am

re: #459 HappyWarrior

agreed, not excusing or condoning Josh’s behavior but he went to his father for help, knowing that what he was doing was wrong and his old man just completely fucking dropped the ball.

From all accounts he did bupkis, reassured Josh that he wasn’t bad and continued to ride the gravy train. Not even sure he spoke to the girls other than to get them to keep quiet.

466 Dr Lizardo  Jun 4, 2015 8:27:52am

Back later.

467 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2015 8:28:59am
468 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 8:29:31am

I saw some of their defenders in a comment section on one of the story going
Oh, you must all be perfect and have never made any mistakes in your lives.. I don’t claim to be perfect and I have made my fair share of mistakes in this life but I never threw victims of a crime under the bus to protect someone else and given how the Duggars judge everyone who isn’t like them that just makes me laugh.

469 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 4, 2015 8:29:52am

re: #458 Justanotherhuman

This means that after the first confession, Josh Duggar continued to do it, also after the second confession. It was only after the third time that Daddy Dearest decided his plan of action. And it wasn’t actually turning this little pervert in to LE, just getting “advice” and working it his way.

Fuck these fucking parents.

Reminds me of something William Faulkner could have written.

470 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 8:30:05am

re: #465 piratedan

agreed, not excusing or condoning Josh’s behavior but he went to his father for help, knowing that what he was doing was wrong and his old man just completely fucking dropped the ball.

From all accounts he did bupkis, reassured Josh that he wasn’t bad and continued to ride the gravy train. Not even sure he spoke to the girls other than to get them to keep quiet.

That’s how I am looking at it too. Said it better than I could.

471 makeitstop  Jun 4, 2015 8:33:56am

re: #422 Timothy Watson

How broad is Arkansas law’s language as it relates to child neglect/endangerment?

Arkansas’ child molestation laws apply to anyone over the age of 10 who abuses anyone under the age of 18. So Josh could have been charged with molesting even the older girls.

And there are provisions that apply directly to ‘caretakers,’ which Josh most definitely was. Strike two.

However, the statute of limitations is three years - which is probably the most maddening aspect about this case. While Jim Bob and Michelle were fucking around with ‘stern talks’ and bogus ‘rehabilitation’ (and running for the Senate and negotiating their TV deal), they ran out the clock.

And they knew exactly what the fuck they were doing.

472 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 4, 2015 8:38:21am

Bryan is all LOOK OVER THERE, A MUSLIM!!!!!!

473 Nyet  Jun 4, 2015 8:39:28am

re: #471 makeitstop

Actually it applies to all ages:

By a person younger than age 10 to a person younger than age 18:
Sexual intercourse, deviate sexual activity, or sexual contact by forcible compulsion
Attempted sexual intercourse, deviate sexual activity, or sexual contact by forcible compulsion

474 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 8:40:14am

re: #472 Lord Of The Pies

Bryan is all LOOK OVER THERE, A MUSLIM!!!!!!

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You really do have no sense of self-awareness do you Bryan? Go under your rock again fuckface.

475 calochortus  Jun 4, 2015 8:40:23am

Since we’re still discussing the Duggars, I wonder how much of this abuse stemmed from experimenting with power rather than sex, per se? The titillation would be an added bonus, but also make him feel guilty.

I said a few days ago that as the mother of a son and a daughter, I might well not report my son for a first offense (lifelong sexual predator label, etc.) But he wouldn’t be anywhere near his sister until he could be trusted. Multiple victims over a period of years? I don’t think so.

The only thing I can figure out is that these are people who think that all people are totally evil, and cannot be expected to control themselves. Enter Thomas Hobbes’ Leviathan-or in this case a group of self-selected white guys. Problem is, they can’t control themselves either.

476 Eventual Carrion  Jun 4, 2015 8:41:35am

re: #435 Feline Fearless Leader

Someone giving sedimentary rocks a bad name.

Frack him/her/it.

477 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 8:42:07am

re: #475 calochortus

Since we’re still discussing the Duggars, I wonder how much of this abuse stemmed from experimenting with power rather than sex, per se? The titillation would be an added bonus, but also make him feel guilty.

I said a few days ago that as the mother of a son and a daughter, I might well not report my son for a first offense (lifelong sexual predator label, etc.) But he wouldn’t be anywhere near his sister until he could be trusted. Multiple victims over a period of years? I don’t think so.

The only thing I can figure out is that these are people who think that all people are totally evil, and cannot be expected to control themselves. Enter Thomas Hobbes’ Leviathan-or in this case a group of self-selected white guys. Problem is, they can’t control themselves either.

I am not sure. I bet he really didn’t have much knowledge about sex that the average boy of that age would have but I can definitely see it as a power thing since he no doubt saw how his father treated his mother and other females in and outside of the household.

478 makeitstop  Jun 4, 2015 8:43:39am

re: #473 Nyet

Actually it applies to all ages:

Ah. I missed that bit.

I skimmed to see if there was anything in there about minors not being charge-able. Had the old man done the right thing, the kid would have been in a world of trouble - but that would have meant that Jim Bob’s electoral chances would have gone down the tubes and the TV show would have been scotched.

So Jim Bob did what was best for him, and fuck everybody else.

479 calochortus  Jun 4, 2015 8:46:53am

re: #477 HappyWarrior

I am not sure. I bet he really didn’t have much knowledge about sex that the average boy of that age would have but I can definitely see it as a power thing since he no doubt saw how his father treated his mother and other females in and outside of the household.

Yeah, I’m sure he was experimenting sexually too, but considering the family’s culture, and as the eldest son, I just see a lot of projection of power going on there. And some profoundly mixed messages from the family about whose fault it was.

480 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 8:48:12am

re: #479 calochortus

Yeah, I’m sure he was experimenting sexually too, but considering the family’s culture, and as the eldest son, I just see a lot of projection of power going on there. And some profoundly mixed messages from the family about whose fault it was.

Yes, I’m inclined to believe it was a power thing given the family culture too.

481 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2015 8:50:01am

re: #478 makeitstop

But there is nothing in the law governing actual, mandatory reporting that would have compelled him to report Josh. He knew that. And he probably cautioned the girls from reporting it as well. If they had attended public school and told a teacher, that teacher would have been obligated to report it, since they’re part of those mandated to report child abuse.

Is it any wonder so many of these fuckers want to home school?

JB was always in control. And had a submissive wife to back him up.

482 Kryptik  Jun 4, 2015 8:50:30am

re: #382 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

One of my freshmen asked me about guns in America today. She believed that everyone in America has a gun, and thought that was rather dangerous.

re: #384 HappyWarrior

I would too. From what I understand the percentage of Americans who own guns has actually decreased but average guns per gun owner has gone up which makes sense. I think our gun culture disturbs a lot of foreigners and hell it disturbs me too.

The problem is that, even as the percentage of owners has decreased, the political capital of the NRA and the concentrated number of ‘gun owners’ has shot through the fucking roof and made them essentially a political juggernaut, Gun control as an issue is literally dead for at least a generation if not more, and it’s likely only going to get worse. It’s no wonder the rest of world thinks we’re all gunned up to the gills, that’s the exact end game for the NRA and they’re winning phenomenally, to the detriment of everyone except the gun company’s profits.

483 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 8:52:04am

re: #482 Kryptik

The problem is that, even as the percentage of owners has decreased, the political capital of the NRA and the concentrated number of ‘gun owners’ has shot through the fucking roof and made them essentially a political juggernaut, Gun control as an issue is literally dead for at least a generation if not more, and it’s likely only going to get worse. It’s no wonder the rest of world thinks we’re all gunned up to the gills, that’s the exact end game for the NRA and they’re winning phenomenally, to the detriment of everyone except the gun company’s profits.

Right. Said better than I could.

484 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 8:52:50am

re: #481 Justanotherhuman

But there is nothing in the law governing actual, mandatory reporting that would have compelled him to report Josh. He knew that. And he probably cautioned the girls from reporting it as well. If they had attended public school and told a teacher, that teacher would have been obligated to report it, since they’re part of those mandated to report child abuse.

Is it any wonder so many of these fuckers want to home school?

JB was always in control. And had a submissive wife to back him up.

They didn’t do therapy either. A therapist would have been obligated under law to report it too.

485 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 4, 2015 8:54:24am

re: #484 HappyWarrior

They didn’t do therapy either. A therapist would have been obligated under law to report it too.

What? That doesn’t include home remodelers? The hell you say!

486 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2015 8:54:37am

re: #484 HappyWarrior

Their “therapy” is the same cult religion—just do more of it.

487 Eventual Carrion  Jun 4, 2015 8:54:55am

re: #484 HappyWarrior

They didn’t do therapy either. A therapist would have been obligated under law to report it too.

Seems they sent him to another pedo for “therapy”. Possbly to learn how to hide it better.

488 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 8:55:02am

The Duggars kept this dirty little secret in their household and with like minded individuals because they knew that Jim Bob’s career as a politician and realtor would be fucked if it got out and that the reality show would never happened. So yeah Jim Bob and Michelle failed as parents big time here. There is no excuse at all for what they did. And that’s not even considering they continued to take part in organized bigotry and slandering of LGBT people when it comes to sexual assault and child molestation. Shame on them, shame on TLC, and shame on Josh.

489 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 8:55:19am

re: #486 Justanotherhuman

Their “therapy” is the same cult religion—just do more of it.

It’s a cult.

490 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 8:56:14am

re: #487 Eventual Carrion

Seems they sent him to another pedo for “therapy”. Possbly to learn how to hide it better.

I am seriously not going to be surprised if it comes out later that Jim Bob abused the girls himself.

491 calochortus  Jun 4, 2015 8:58:41am

I saw only a short clip of the interview which showed up on a network news show, but was struck that Michelle went on about how when they first learned of Josh’s behavior they felt they had failed as parents. Not a word about “how will this affect the girls?” I’m guessing from the comments that they never said anything about that except that the girls never knew it happened.

I guess it’s all about the parents. Eyeroll.

492 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 8:59:53am

re: #491 calochortus

I saw only a short clip of the interview which showed up on a network news show, but was struck that Michelle went on about how when they first learned of Josh’s behavior they felt they had failed as parents. Not a word about “how will this affect the girls?” I’m guessing from the comments that they never said anything about that except that the girls never knew it happened.

I guess it’s all about the parents. Eyeroll.

That’s what has struck me about their rhetoric throughout this whole affair. It’s all about them and Josh but not really a word about the you know actual victims.

493 makeitstop  Jun 4, 2015 9:04:52am

re: #491 calochortus

I guess it’s all about the parents. Eyeroll.

And the male children. The females are apparently good for nothing besides cranking out more babies, and are treated accordingly.

This whole thing makes me want to throw up.

494 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2015 9:08:27am

These 2 young women are now lost (they’re also the married ones).

“In the video clip, the sisters focused on the new violation of privacy, not the old violations by their brother. Jill tearfully said, “They can’t do this to us. We’re victims.”

By “they,” she meant the officials who released the juvenile records.

Jessa also said, “The system that was set up to protect kids, both those who make stupid mistakes or have problems like this in their life and the ones that are affected by those choices. It’s greatly failed.”

money.cnn.com

495 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2015 9:09:49am

As more presidential aspirants this week announced their intention to jump into a crowded field of declared 2016 candidates, Twitter effectively shut down a popular service that in recent years has surfaced some of the most memorable gaffes in national politics.

Twitter issued a statement Wednesday to Gawker explaining that it was blocking Politwoops, a project of the government transparency non-profit Sunlight Foundation, from accessing its application programming interface, or API, which gives software developers access to the social media behemoth’s data.

“We strongly support Sunlight’s mission of increasing transparency in politics and using civic tech and open data to hold government accountable to constituents, but preserving deleted Tweets violates our developer agreement,” the statement read. “Honoring the expectation of user privacy for all accounts is a priority for us, whether the user is anonymous or a member of Congress.”

496 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2015 9:10:34am

If TLC continues to pay these criminals, or gives the 2 married sisters and their husbands their own show, I hope TLC collapses like a cheap chair.

497 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 9:11:15am

re: #494 Justanotherhuman

These 2 young women are now lost (they’re also the married ones).

“In the video clip, the sisters focused on the new violation of privacy, not the old violations by their brother. Jill tearfully said, “They can’t do this to us. We’re victims.”

By “they,” she meant the officials who released the juvenile records.

Jessa also said, “The system that was set up to protect kids, both those who make stupid mistakes or have problems like this in their life and the ones that are affected by those choices. It’s greatly failed.”

money.cnn.com

I feel bad for them. They’ve been brainwashed big time.

498 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 4, 2015 9:12:16am

I wonder what CCJ is saying on Twitter about the Duggars…

Oh wait….

/

499 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 9:13:12am

re: #498 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I wonder what CCJ is saying on Twitter about the Duggars…

Oh wait….

/

I do wonder what he thinks of them given he hates their political patron, Huckabee.

500 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2015 9:17:09am

assholster is now permanently suspended:

501 Great White Snark  Jun 4, 2015 9:17:59am

re: #482 Kryptik

The problem is that, even as the percentage of owners has decreased, the political capital of the NRA and the concentrated number of ‘gun owners’ has shot through the fucking roof and made them essentially a political juggernaut, Gun control as an issue is literally dead for at least a generation if not more, and it’s likely only going to get worse. It’s no wonder the rest of world thinks we’re all gunned up to the gills, that’s the exact end game for the NRA and they’re winning phenomenally, to the detriment of everyone except the gun company’s profits.

That is not really about just guns, it’s more indicative of lobby/corporate control of our legislature. Big Oil, Big Guns, Big Banks…. That’s why the next President needs to have decoupling corporate power from legislative power on the top two or three agenda items. The NRA is representing gun makers and accessory/ammo makers, not gun owners.

502 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2015 9:18:34am

re: #500 Backwoods_Sleuth

assholster is now permanently suspended:

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503 calochortus  Jun 4, 2015 9:23:48am

re: #496 Justanotherhuman

If TLC continues to pay these criminals, or gives the 2 married sisters and their husbands their own show, I hope TLC collapsed like a cheap chair.

I can’t imagine any company wanting to advertise on the show at this point. My imagination has, of course, proved itself insufficiently wild in the past.

504 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 4, 2015 9:24:02am

“The Summer of Revolution…”

“Shit.”

“I’m still in the Summer of Revolution.”

“At first I’d wake up and there’d be nothing.”

505 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2015 9:25:16am

re: #497 HappyWarrior

I feel bad for them. They’ve been brainwashed big time.

They have, indeed. If they’re going to get any kind of life, they should leave this cult immediately.

But I doubt they will.

506 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 4, 2015 9:29:08am

re: #505 Justanotherhuman

They have, indeed. If they’re going to get any kind of life, they should leave this cult immediately.

But I doubt they will.

Maybe they will once the gravytrain griftmachine stops and they have to get jobs and interact with actual people.

507 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2015 9:30:35am
508 calochortus  Jun 4, 2015 9:31:11am

re: #505 Justanotherhuman

They have, indeed. If they’re going to get any kind of life, they should leave this cult immediately.

But I doubt they will.

They may be in for a very rude financial shock at some point. Assuming they don’t get their own show, or if they do, that it isn’t a screaming success, they will probably have some trouble supporting their own brood on a single salary. I’m happy to say I have no idea what either of the young men do for a living, but I’m guessing they aren’t investment bankers or high powered lawyers or anything.
The same is probably true for Josh’s family.

509 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2015 9:31:59am

re: #506 Lord Of The Pies

I certainly hope so.

510 De Kolta Chair  Jun 4, 2015 9:33:00am

Call me old-fashioned, but a real journalist would’ve interviewed Josh Duggar himself.

511 Targetpractice  Jun 4, 2015 9:35:01am

re: #491 calochortus

I saw only a short clip of the interview which showed up on a network news show, but was struck that Michelle went on about how when they first learned of Josh’s behavior they felt they had failed as parents. Not a word about “how will this affect the girls?” I’m guessing from the comments that they never said anything about that except that the girls never knew it happened.

I guess it’s all about the parents. Eyeroll.

It’s all about Jim Bob, that was pretty clear last night when Michelle kept looking to him like a scared little girl looking for daddy’s approval. Jim Bob’s spent time off and on in politics, and he even got Josh betrothed to the daughter of a political ally who called off the wedding when he lost his political bid and had Josh stand up in church to take the blame by having sinned. And, of course, the same time that the police investigation was going on after Oprah’s people blew the whistle, Jim Bob was negotiating a deal with TLC for their show.

This has been, start to finish, all about Jim Bob and the exploitation of his own family for his personal gain.

512 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2015 9:38:16am

re: #511 Targetpractice

Whatever it is, it’s all wrong, from beginning to the present.

513 calochortus  Jun 4, 2015 9:38:35am

re: #511 Targetpractice

I think we need to give Michelle some “credit” too. I feel confident that she was fully on board with the decision to make a boatload of money and do things she never dreamed she’d be able to do.

514 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2015 9:40:25am

re: #513 calochortus

Yes, after all, she’s a full grown woman who kept on having all those kids she couldn’t take are of without the other ones, no matter how much she kowtowed to Her Lord and Master, JB.

She went into this with her eyes wide open, I have no doubt, and gloried in being a “star”.

515 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2015 9:41:37am
516 De Kolta Chair  Jun 4, 2015 9:42:01am

re: #511 Targetpractice

Jim Bob’s spent time off and on in politics, and he even got Josh betrothed to the daughter of a political ally who stood called off the wedding when he lost his political bid and had Josh stand up in church to take the blame by having sinned. And, of course, the same time that the police investigation was going on after Oprah’s people blew the whistle, Jim Bob was negotiating a deal with TLC for their show.

Please tell me that’s the plot of Will Ferrell’s next movie and not something that actually happened.

517 Targetpractice  Jun 4, 2015 9:42:13am

re: #513 calochortus

I think we need to give Michelle some “credit” too. I feel confident that she was fully on board with the decision to make a boatload of money and do things she never dreamed she’d be able to do.

I think Michelle’s completely cut off from the real world. After last time, I’m more convinced than ever that that story we heard days ago about her asking if New York was “overrun” with “the gays” and flipping out when she found out that one of the producers on the show was gay is mostly if not entirely true. Jim Bob and the rest of the cult has the entire family cocooned off in this little world, totally divorced from reality, in order to maintain control over them.

518 calochortus  Jun 4, 2015 9:45:54am

re: #517 Targetpractice

I imagine Jim Bob is cut off from reality too-cults are like that.

519 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2015 9:46:58am

re: #517 Targetpractice

This is always, always, the RWNJ’s version of “privacy”. And the Duggars pretty much live in a compound.

hookedonhouses.net

520 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 4, 2015 9:48:34am

LOL

521 TedStriker  Jun 4, 2015 9:49:34am

re: #160 Belafon

Speaking of unions. I went to the Kroger here in Rockwall, TX, and saw that they had a sticker on the door that said union shop. I don’t remember the initials for the union so I can’t tell you what it was, but I was surprised that a union was actually functioning in Texas that wasn’t tied to a government contractor.

The UFCW (United Food and Commercial Workers) represents Kroger’s hourly workers in most, if not all, of their stores.

522 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 9:51:57am

re: #521 TedStriker

The UFCW (United Food and Commercial Workers) represents Kroger’s hourly workers in most, if not all, of their stores.

UFCW I think covers most grocery store employees.

523 Decatur Deb  Jun 4, 2015 9:52:58am

re: #420 Timothy Watson

Those don’t have to go through an FFL?

Mailorder might, though these are almost all long guns. Anniston AAD isn’t that far from here, dealing over-the-counter.

524 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 4, 2015 9:54:44am

re: #511 Targetpractice

It’s all about Jim Bob, that was pretty clear last night when Michelle kept looking to him like a scared little girl looking for daddy’s approval. Jim Bob’s spent time off and on in politics, and he even got Josh betrothed to the daughter of a political ally who called off the wedding when he lost his political bid and had Josh stand up in church to take the blame by having sinned. And, of course, the same time that the police investigation was going on after Oprah’s people blew the whistle, Jim Bob was negotiating a deal with TLC for their show.

This has been, start to finish, all about Jim Bob and the exploitation of his own family for his personal gain.

Of course it’s about Jim Bob…and Jim Bob likes things just his way! Jim Bob wants smiing women to bring him savory tater tot casserole (Dad’s favorite!) and do his laundry, clean his dishes and keep the babies on their blankets just like Bil Gothard has written (so let it be done!)

525 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2015 9:54:48am

I remember seeing something on TV about Michelle Duggar getting a makeover and new hairstyle for her 46th birthday. She was uncomfortable with the “new look”, and actually looked frightened to think about how Jim Bob would react (he didn’t like it at all).

526 freetoken  Jun 4, 2015 9:56:02am

This latest Geller thing, which is now getting mainstream coverage, reminds me again why I detest fundamentalists of all stripes.

Geller certainly wouldn’t agree with me here, and some of you might not also, but Geller and the alleged guy who was conspiring against her need each other. By hating each other they are validating their own bigotry. One can’t have an enemy if the supposed enemy doesn’t act like one.

This takes me back to GWB and his attempt to moderate his (and perhaps a large number of Americans’) anti-muslim feelings post 9/11 when he would say that not all Islam was behind 9/11 and so forth (which brought him lots of sniping from the hate right.)

But Geller and Spencer and their ilk need the truly radicalized Muslims just as the latter need their enemies to validate their religious beliefs.

And now American media is getting back into the act, featuring Geller et. al.

527 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 4, 2015 9:56:49am

re: #525 Backwoods_Sleuth

I remember seeing something on TV about Michelle Duggar getting a makeover and new hairstyle for her 46th birthday. She was uncomfortable with the “new look”, and actually looked frightened to think about how Jim Bob would react (he didn’t like it at all).

I remember something about that. If the women don’t look like Little House on the Prarie refugees, Jim Bob and the boys are being “defrauded”(IE having dirty thoughts)

BTW, the real Laura Ingalls would have scoffed at these brain washed cultists.

528 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 4, 2015 9:57:33am

re: #525 Backwoods_Sleuth

I remember seeing something on TV about Michelle Duggar getting a makeover and new hairstyle for her 46th birthday. She was uncomfortable with the “new look”, and actually looked frightened to think about how Jim Bob would react (he didn’t like it at all).

She’s totally gone back to her 1980’s mullet.

529 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 4, 2015 9:58:08am
530 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 4, 2015 9:58:45am

re: #519 Justanotherhuman

This is always, always, the RWNJ’s version of “privacy”. And the Duggars pretty much live in a compound.

hookedonhouses.net

“Why can’t people just watch our show and leave us alone?”

/

531 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 4, 2015 10:00:06am
532 Timothy Watson  Jun 4, 2015 10:00:49am

re: #523 Decatur Deb

Mailorder might, though these are almost all long guns. Anniston AAD isn’t that far from here, dealing over-the- counter.

Interesting, been wanting a M1 Garand for awhile.

533 TedStriker  Jun 4, 2015 10:02:57am

re: #522 HappyWarrior

UFCW I think covers most grocery store employees.

With the notable exception of Walmart, with whom the UFCW has been locked in a knock-down, drag-out fight to unionize for years and years.

My father was a member when he was employed as a butcher with the now-defunct Rudy’s Farm sausage company (the company was bought in 1990 by Sara Lee, the Nashville plant where he worked was closed, and operations were moved to a new Sara Lee plant in Dyer County) and my grandma (my father’s mom) was in the UFCW with Kroger at the old Nashville Farmer’s Market store for 20-30 years until cancer forced her to retire.

534 Decatur Deb  Jun 4, 2015 10:03:03am

re: #532 Timothy Watson

Interesting, been wanting a M1 Garand for awhile.

They have a detailed condition grading system that is said to be honest. I’m told the availability of better historical pieces is shrinking.

535 William Lewis  Jun 4, 2015 10:03:16am

re: #420 Timothy Watson

Those don’t have to go through an FFL?

Yes and no - if you are the holder of a Curios and Relics type 03 FFL they can mail the arms directly to you. However you are, technically, the FFL in the instance.

536 Great White Snark  Jun 4, 2015 10:03:50am

re: #526 freetoken

Gellar is being treated as way too sympathetic a figure. Maybe a few days from now would be a good time to Page a thorough review of her most egregious moments.

537 William Lewis  Jun 4, 2015 10:05:22am

re: #532 Timothy Watson

Interesting, been wanting a M1 Garand for awhile.

There are detailed requirements - including belonging to an accredited gun club (the Liberal Gun Club is accredited BTW). If you want one, I’d suggest going to the thecmp.org asap.

538 calochortus  Jun 4, 2015 10:06:30am

I guess it’s time to go do something constructive.

Laters, all.

539 Decatur Deb  Jun 4, 2015 10:06:34am

re: #535 William Lewis

Yes and no - if you are the holder of a Curios and Relics type 03 FFL they can mail the arms directly to you. However you are, technically, the FFL in the instance.

At least until recently, there were locals at Anniston who would act as an agent, assuring selection but jacking the price a bit. Don’t know if they dried up.

540 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2015 10:06:56am

Rick Perry is going full-throated jingo-populist.

541 wrenchwench  Jun 4, 2015 10:10:33am

re: #526 freetoken

Geller certainly wouldn’t agree with me here, and some of you might not also, but Geller and the alleged guy who was conspiring against her need each other. By hating each other they are validating their own bigotry. One can’t have an enemy if the supposed enemy doesn’t act like one.

I know what you mean there, and I agree in other cases (know some real well), but Geller and Spencer can make up their enemies and the action of their enemies from whole cloth woven by themselves. There was plenty of thread laying around to work with, all they needed was a post-9/11 atmosphere in which to bray.

542 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 10:11:25am

re: #533 TedStriker

With the notable exception of Walmart, with whom the UFCW has been locked in a knock-down, drag-out fight to unionize for years and years.

My father was a member when he was employed as a butcher with the now-defunct Rudy’s Farm sausage company (the company was bought in 1990 by Sara Lee, the Nashville plant where he worked was closed, and operations were moved to a new Sara Lee plant in Dyer County) and my grandma (my father’s mom) was in the UFCW with Kroger at the old Nashville Farmer’s Market store for 20-30 years until cancer forced her to retire.

Yeah Wal-Mart is awful when it comes to unionization.

543 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 10:11:59am

re: #531 Lord Of The Pies

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They’re horrible people.

544 Targetpractice  Jun 4, 2015 10:12:29am

re: #531 Lord Of The Pies

[Embedded content]

It just hit me now, rereading through Jim Bob’s remarks to Kelly’s questions about whether they were afraid this shit would get out when the family began to become the focus of the media, that he keeps repeating the words “taken care of.” It wasn’t “handled” or “addressed,” it was “taken care of.” In the man’s mind, it seems he saw the whole episode as a task like taking out the garbage or mowing the lawn, something to get over and done with so he could move on.

545 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 4, 2015 10:13:33am

re: #517 Targetpractice

I think Michelle’s completely cut off from the real world. After last time, I’m more convinced than ever that that story we heard days ago about her asking if New York was “overrun” with “the gays” and flipping out when she found out that one of the producers on the show was gay is mostly if not entirely true. Jim Bob and the rest of the cult has the entire family cocooned off in this little world, totally divorced from reality, in order to maintain control over them.

You, too, can have North Korea in your very own home!

546 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 4, 2015 10:13:37am

Look who photobombed Rick Perry!
My surprise, let me show you.

547 Dr. Matt  Jun 4, 2015 10:13:50am

re: #520 Lord Of The Pies

LOL

Perry has his own specially written campaign theme song.
— Dana Loesch (@DLoesch) June 4, 2015

That seems to be the trend because no sensible artist wants these idiots using their songs.

548 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 10:14:16am

re: #544 Targetpractice

It just hit me now, rereading through Jim Bob’s remarks to Kelly’s questions about whether they were afraid this shit would get out when the family began to become the focus of the media, that he keeps repeating the words “taken care of.” It wasn’t “handled” or “addressed,” it was “taken care of.” In the man’s mind, it seems he saw the whole episode as a task like taking out the garbage or mowing the lawn, something to get over and done with so he could move on.

Yes, that’s what has struck me when reading the transcripts as I can’t bear to watch the actual interview. Fucking asshole.

549 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 10:15:00am

re: #546 Lord Of The Pies

Look who photobombed Rick Perry!
My surprise, let me show you.

[Embedded content]

Is there any GOP pres candidate that Josh did not try to suck up to?

550 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 4, 2015 10:15:32am

re: #547 Dr. Matt

That seems to be the trend because no sensible artist wants these idiots using their songs.

LOL I remember the Sarah Palin campaign getting a C&D about playing “Barracuda”

551 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2015 10:15:54am

re: #546 Lord Of The Pies

Since this all happened more than 10 yrs ago, as soon as this publicity blows over, the Rs will go into lost memory mode and in a few years, you’ll see Josh running for something. All will be quashed and he’ll be further protected.

Mark my words.

552 Targetpractice  Jun 4, 2015 10:16:53am

re: #551 Justanotherhuman

Since this all happened more than 10 yrs ago, as soon as this publicity blows over, the Rs will go into lost memory mode and in a few years, you’ll see Josh running for something. All will be quashed and he’ll be further protected.

Mark my words.

I don’t have a hard time imagining that, before the year is out, he’ll be back to working for the FRC. All will be forgiven, he’ll be welcomed back into the flock, and anybody who raises a stink will be told “God has forgiven him, so we should too!”

553 wrenchwench  Jun 4, 2015 10:17:33am
554 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 10:17:43am

re: #550 Lord Of The Pies

LOL I remember the Sarah Palin campaign getting a C&D about playing “Barracuda”

Jackson Browne was pissed when McCain-Palin used Running on Empty when talking about Obama. My favorite campaign music flub of all time though is the original though- Reagan and Springsteen’s Born in the USA. I can actually imagine Reagan or more realistically one of his handlers hearing the chorus and nothing else and thinking “Man we have to use this song!”

555 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2015 10:18:01am

re: #552 Targetpractice

Of course! And he’ll continue to keep tabs in his favor bank for a future political career. Don’t forget, he’s only 27.

556 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 10:18:55am

re: #552 Targetpractice

I don’t have a hard time imagining that, before the year is out, he’ll be back to working for the FRC. All will be forgiven, he’ll be welcomed back into the flock, and anybody who raises a stink will be told “God has forgiven him, so we should too!”

I expect that will be the defense and his brainwashed sisters are already going with “We forgave him and you’re worse than he is for pointing out what he did.” Seems like classic abuse victim symptoms to me.

557 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 10:21:12am

I think Huckabee once got one wingnutty guy from Boston to endorse him and he used that to claim the band Boston endorses Mike Huckabee and the other members were like uh no.

558 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 4, 2015 10:21:32am

re: #547 Dr. Matt

That seems to be the trend because no sensible artist wants these idiots using their songs.

Ted Nugent!!!

559 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 10:22:26am

re: #558 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Ted Nugent!!!

Kid Rock endorsed Carson I saw. Kid Rock doesn’t seem to be a bigot but an absolute idiot when it comes to judging political candidates given he says he loves Detroit but happily supported Mitt.

560 Dr. Matt  Jun 4, 2015 10:23:28am

re: #558 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Ted Nugent!!!

I can actually picture Rick Perry walking out to the stage to wang dang sweet poontang.

561 Targetpractice  Jun 4, 2015 10:25:39am

re: #556 HappyWarrior

I expect that will be the defense and his brainwashed sisters are already going with “We forgave him and you’re worse than he is for pointing out what he did.” Seems like classic abuse victim symptoms to me.

Yeah, I’m sure they’ve had it beaten into their heads, not simply by their parents by everybody in the twisted little cult, that they were expected to forgive Josh because “God has forgiven him” and if they wanted to keep their family’s love, they had to put the whole matter behind them. And if they couldn’t do that, then they were not only letting down their family, they were disobeying God.

562 Justanotherhuman  Jun 4, 2015 10:25:59am

re: #558 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Well, now with the Duggar scandal, they can use TG’s song, “Jailbait”.

563 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 10:26:32am

re: #561 Targetpractice

Yeah, I’m sure they’ve had it beaten into their heads, not simply by their parents by everybody in the twisted little cult, that they were expected to forgive Josh because “God has forgiven him” and if they wanted to keep their family’s love, they had to put the whole matter behind them. And if they couldn’t do that, then they were not only letting down their family, they were disobeying God.

Yep.

564 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 4, 2015 10:28:24am

re: #529 Lord Of The Pies

Some of the pointing and laughing will now go from Cruz to Perry?

565 HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2015 10:29:11am

re: #564 Feline Fearless Leader

Some of the pointing and laughing will now go from Cruz to Perry?

Yeah Cruz hasn’t showed up to a forum yet on the sauce.

566 BeachDem  Jun 4, 2015 10:32:18am

re: #554 HappyWarrior

Jackson Browne was pissed when McCain-Palin used Running on Empty when talking about Obama. My favorite campaign music flub of all time though is the original though- Reagan and Springsteen’s Born in the USA. I can actually imagine Reagan or more realistically one of his handlers hearing the chorus and nothing else and thinking “Man we have to use this song!”

Jackson Browne wasn’t just pissed. He sued and got a settlement.
(YAY, Jackson Browne!!)

Under the terms of the settlement, McCain, the Republican National Committee and the Ohio Republican Party jointly settled the lawsuit.

voices.washingtonpost.com

567 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 4, 2015 10:36:10am

re: #560 Dr. Matt

I can actually picture Rick Perry walking out to the stage to wang dang sweet poontang.

He should put on his glasses, a red plastic flower pot on his head, and use something by DEVO.

568 Eventual Carrion  Jun 4, 2015 10:38:52am

re: #517 Targetpractice

I think Michelle’s completely cut off from the real world. After last time, I’m more convinced than ever that that story we heard days ago about her asking if New York was “overrun” with “the gays” and flipping out when she found out that one of the producers on the show was gay is mostly if not entirely true. Jim Bob and the rest of the cult has the entire family cocooned off in this little world, totally divorced from reality, in order to maintain control over them.

Refugees from M. Night Shyamalan’s The Village. Jim Boob and his ilk were even too crazy for them.


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The Pandemic Cost 7 Million Lives, but Talks to Prevent a Repeat Stall In late 2021, as the world reeled from the arrival of the highly contagious omicron variant of the coronavirus, representatives of almost 200 countries met - some online, some in-person in Geneva - hoping to forestall a future worldwide ...
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Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ...
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