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Vocals, acoustic and electric guitars, keyboards, mellotron M4000, programming - SW / Chapman Stick and backing vocals - Nick Beggs / Fender Rhodes - Adam Holzman / Drums - Marco Minnemann / Voice - Katherine Begley.

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443 comments
1 Bubblehead II  Jun 6, 2015 6:03:45pm

DAMN YOU CHARLES! ALWAYS STEALING MY THUNDER BY STARTING A NEW THREAD!!! :-)

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2 Charles Johnson  Jun 6, 2015 6:04:19pm
3 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 6, 2015 6:05:58pm
4 Kragar  Jun 6, 2015 6:10:33pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

5 Charles Johnson  Jun 6, 2015 6:13:10pm
6 Justanotherhuman  Jun 6, 2015 6:17:45pm

It’s always been a woman’s “fault” ever since someone invented that fiction about “Eve”.

We just keep fighting it.

7 Kragar  Jun 6, 2015 6:17:49pm
8 goddamnedfrank  Jun 6, 2015 6:18:46pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

You following @Shoq’s back and forth with the Naval War College bros or is this a reference to something else.

9 Dark_Falcon  Jun 6, 2015 6:19:53pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

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What brought this on?

10 Charles Johnson  Jun 6, 2015 6:21:00pm

re: #8 goddamnedfrank

You following @Shoq’s back and forth with the Naval War College bros or is this a reference to something else.

Bingo.

11 freetoken  Jun 6, 2015 6:21:40pm

Republican Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker is leader of 2016 election pack in Iowa

I suspect the GOP ticket will end up being Walker/Rubio.

12 Charles Johnson  Jun 6, 2015 6:21:42pm

re: #8 goddamnedfrank

You following @Shoq’s back and forth with the Naval War College bros or is this a reference to something else.

That, and lots of other indicators that the “fake rape” meme is really catching on with right wingers.

13 Bubblehead II  Jun 6, 2015 6:22:05pm
14 freetoken  Jun 6, 2015 6:22:44pm

And I don’t see a reason why they can’t win. My gut tells me this will be a hard race for the Democrats to turn out more votes than Obama got in 2008.

15 Justanotherhuman  Jun 6, 2015 6:23:41pm

re: #11 freetoken

And neither one of them is ready for Prime Time.

16 Charles Johnson  Jun 6, 2015 6:24:26pm

Remember when Todd Akin talked about “legitimate rape?” He was a ground-breaker, and we didn’t even know it. The right wing is adopting this view of rape en masse.

Shouldn’t be surprising. Right wing ideology holds that women are second class citizens. Everything about the GOP agenda derives from this basic misogyny.

17 freetoken  Jun 6, 2015 6:26:22pm

re: #15 Justanotherhuman

And neither one of them is ready for Prime Time.

It’s one of those learn-on-the-job types of job.

18 Justanotherhuman  Jun 6, 2015 6:27:27pm

re: #17 freetoken

Well, if that’s the ticket and they actually win, this country is fucked up beyond fixing.

19 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 6, 2015 6:27:29pm
20 Targetpractice  Jun 6, 2015 6:28:05pm

re: #11 freetoken

Republican Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker is leader of 2016 election pack in Iowa

I suspect the GOP ticket will end up being Walker/Rubio.

Walker/Rubio 2016: All the Corruption, Half the Experience.

21 Kragar  Jun 6, 2015 6:31:05pm

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) plans to take one lucky supporter with him on an upcoming “shooting excursion” as part of a recently launched fundraiser and sweepstakes for his presidential campaign. But there’s a catch: the winner may have to endure a background check first.

The caveat is an interesting one given that Cruz helped lead the effort to defeat a 2013 bill that would have expanded background checks for gun sales nationwide. The bill, which was championed by President Obama in the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre, ultimately went down after an intense lobbying effort from pro-gun groups.

22 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 6, 2015 6:33:32pm

I’ve mentioned before that I am the black sheep of my family, at least as far as my mother’s extended clan of yokels is concerned. This is because I was pretty smart as a kid (something these people hate and fear like the plague) and because I was conceived out of wedlock, making me an outcast by their “Christian,” that is tribal, jungle-law standards.
This has led them to formulate a number of legends about me, beginning with the notion that I was gay. My acceptance at an Ivy League college helped confirm this to them, in spite of my previous army service. Anyplace whose workings are a complete mystery to them, as Cornell’s certainly are, would automatically be a den of depravity.
In more recent years, their predictions of failure, death, and prison failed to materialize and I started to do alarmingly well in the financial realm. This was a crisis for the family feces flingers, since solvency is next to godliness for them. They got some traction claiming that my science fiction was pornography but they realized this was unsustainable even for them and they could not bring themselves to believe anyone would make money from such stuff anyway. Then they hit on the way that all bad people make dough these days. They eventually had me re-invented as an enforcer, gun runner, and general evil-doer for the international drug cartels.

This has now boomeranged on them. I had been mystified by how polite they were in our last few meetings, then someone explained it to me: They are too terrified to mess with me in even the slightest way.

Unfortunately my evil brother Judas is smarter than the rest of the pack and does not believe this himself. Sigh. I can still enjoy seeing evil liars being hoist by their own petard, even if I can’t get every last one of them.

23 Dark_Falcon  Jun 6, 2015 6:36:31pm

re: #22 Shiplord Kirel

Success is the best revenge anyways, SK.

24 Justanotherhuman  Jun 6, 2015 6:37:15pm

re: #23 Dark_Falcon

I don’t think it’s revenge he wants.

25 TedStriker  Jun 6, 2015 6:39:38pm

re: #22 Shiplord Kirel

A life well lived is the best revenge.

26 Bubblehead II  Jun 6, 2015 6:40:22pm

re: #23 Dark_Falcon

Success is the best revenge validation that I was right, you were wrong.

ftfy.

27 Great White Snark  Jun 6, 2015 6:42:20pm

re: #22 Shiplord Kirel

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28 Justanotherhuman  Jun 6, 2015 6:42:48pm

Hardly anyone in my family talks to me anymore. I’ve gotten over it, because they’ll never change and I don’t need the drama.

I understand them far more than they understand me.

29 Justanotherhuman  Jun 6, 2015 6:43:22pm

My sons always talked to me and that’s what really counted.

30 Bubblehead II  Jun 6, 2015 6:44:41pm
31 goddamnedfrank  Jun 6, 2015 6:44:53pm

re: #21 Kragar

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It’s a lot deeper than the typical NICS eligibility check too.

Sponsor determines, in its sole discretion that awarding the Prize to such potential winner could result in a safety or security risk to any person or persons or could result in the disruption of any event associated with the Promotion. Sponsor will, in its sole discretion, then select one (1) winner from the list of eligible potential winners on the basis of criteria determined and applied by Sponsor to provide for an appropriate range of views, backgrounds, and interests among the winners selected.”

Basically that translates as, “since you support Senator Cruz we have reasonable suspicion that you ain’t quite right in the head, and therefore need to see if you’ve posted anything super messed up online about the Jews or the gays or the Mexicans or whatever. Maybe you said some embarrassing really gross shit about rape, or you’re a chemtrail freak, maybe you’re on Youtube talking about the merits of drinking your own pee. The point is odds are we’re going to have to weed through a ton of you crazy ass motherfuckers before we find someone that can be in a photo op with Cruz holding a gun without ruining his campaign.

32 Dark_Falcon  Jun 6, 2015 6:46:15pm

This piece is from November, but I think it speaks to a lot of the worry many people have regarding the handling of matters sexual on campus (non-wingnut writer on a non-wingnut site):

#TeamHarpy and “Taking One For The Team”

It would be one thing if #teamharpy supporters were taking this position because there was public proof that the accusations against Murphy were true, or if #teamharpy’s statements were clearly ones of opinion rather than fact. But that’s not the case. Instead, #teamharpy’s supporters seem to proceed from the premise that an accusation of sexual harassment ought to be absolutely privileged from suit, and that, for the good of the community, individuals must endure accusations without legal remedy, even if they are not true. That’s a view that echoes the position of one of the blog posts at issue in the case:

We can and must take a stance of siding with victims. There needs to be a super clear message that whenever someone speaks up about abuse or harassment that they’ve experienced and encountered within a professional space (conference, work, whatever) that this person will be supported and believed.

What this looks like:

Don’t ask for ‘proof’.
Don’t treat ‘both sides of the story’ as if they hold equal weight.
Do not engage in any type of victim blaming behaviour.
Listen to the victim. Do it. And don’t judge.

To the extent they believe this, #teamharpy and its supporters are logically, legally, and morally incoherent. It’s one thing to put a very difficult burden of proof on a defamation plaintiff, as the United States properly does. That gives broad elbow room for important speech. But saying that an individual should endure false and harmful accusations without complaint for the good of the collective is offensive. It’s no more principled than saying that women should endure sexual harassment quietly for the good of the community and so as not to “rock the boat” — something that has too often said to women. American law offers some very broad privileges for reporting misconduct — take, for instance, California’s absolute privilege for reports to the police. None of those privileges are broad enough to say that you can tweet or blog about sexual harassment with complete immunity because sexual harassment is an important subject. Nor should they be. American law protects many false statements (because the plaintiff can’t prove falsity) or negligent and baseless statements (because of the burden of proof on the plaintiff). But our law doesn’t do that because false or negligent accusations are admirable or desirable. We do it to give true statements, and genuine efforts at true statements, maximum protection.

I’ve never given ‘fake rape’ memes any credence, but I do worry wheseem to consider the accusation reason enough for conviction and that accuse those who do not agree with them of ‘victim blaming’.

33 Charles Johnson  Jun 6, 2015 6:49:21pm

re: #21 Kragar

Ted Cruz isn’t stupid. He was a debate champ. He knows there are probably a lot of psycho gun nuts among his followers, and he’s not taking any chances.

34 TedStriker  Jun 6, 2015 6:51:35pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

Ted Cruz isn’t stupid. He was a debate champ. He knows there are probably a lot of psycho gun nuts among his followers, and he’s not taking any chances.

Needless to say, he doesn’t want to end up dead like Chris Kyle.

35 Charles Johnson  Jun 6, 2015 6:53:00pm

re: #32 Dark_Falcon

Sorry, but “Popehat” is definitely a wingnut, first class.

36 b.d.  Jun 6, 2015 6:53:34pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

Ted Cruz isn’t stupid. He was a debate champ. He knows there are probably a lot of psycho gun nuts among his followers, and he’s not taking any chances.

Shouldn’t “wanting to shoot guns with Ted Cruz” be an automatic disqualifier in any background check?

37 b_sharp  Jun 6, 2015 6:54:37pm

re: #22 Shiplord Kirel

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38 goddamnedfrank  Jun 6, 2015 6:54:55pm

re: #34 TedStriker

Needless to say, he doesn’t want to end up dead like Chris Kyle.

I’d say the greater danger is being photographed next to some dude wearing an armadillo hat.

39 Justanotherhuman  Jun 6, 2015 6:55:58pm

Later, Lizards!

Keep calm…and don’t buy any armadillo hats.

40 Great White Snark  Jun 6, 2015 6:57:05pm

re: #36 b.d.

Shouldn’t “wanting to shoot guns with Ted Cruz” be an automatic disqualifier in any background check?

Except for Dick Cheney.
//// Let’s not have any gun incidents out there on the campaign trail!

41 Kragar  Jun 6, 2015 6:57:10pm

Suddenly… DIO!

42 HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2015 6:57:45pm

re: #21 Kragar

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There was something like this with the NRA too wasn’t there?

43 HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2015 6:58:23pm

re: #36 b.d.

Shouldn’t “wanting to shoot guns with Ted Cruz” be an automatic disqualifier in any background check?

Yeah I’d seriously wonder about anyone who actually wants to hang out with Ted Cruz.

44 HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2015 7:00:22pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

Ted Cruz isn’t stupid. He was a debate champ. He knows there are probably a lot of psycho gun nuts among his followers, and he’s not taking any chances.

Yeah i don’t blame him at all. I just wish he’d understand why many of us feel this way about guns period.

45 Dark_Falcon  Jun 6, 2015 7:00:39pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

Sorry, but “Popehat” is definitely a wingnut, first class.

Popehat’s the site, and Ken White’s the writer. And White’s review of Mad Max: Fury Road doesn’t strike me as the sort of piece a wingnut would write. Someone right-of-center, with a touch of Dudebro perhaps, but not a wingnut.

46 TedStriker  Jun 6, 2015 7:02:34pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

Sorry, but “Popehat” is definitely a wingnut, first class.

Popehat, “wingnut”? I always thought of them as left-of-center, unless something’s changed.

47 Charles Johnson  Jun 6, 2015 7:02:40pm

re: #45 Dark_Falcon

It’s obviously a right wing site. This is exactly what I was talking about. The “fake rape” meme is becoming a mainstream right wing opinion.

48 bratwurst  Jun 6, 2015 7:02:59pm
49 HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2015 7:03:24pm

The problem Re: rape is we’ve come to doubt rape victims and have people who try to blame the victims i.e. by bringing up what she was wearing, try to use the fact that she was drunk to make it okay, and others who don’t even see why forcing yourself on someone is a crime. Are false rape accusations going to happen. Sure absolutely but we need to stop treating rape victims with hostility.

50 HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2015 7:03:52pm

re: #48 bratwurst

In Raleigh, Donald Trump all but announces presidential bid

Probably too good to be true.

Oh please run Donald. Please. I need some comedy. The Clown 747 needs a pilot.

51 Kragar  Jun 6, 2015 7:04:16pm

re: #48 bratwurst

In Raleigh, Donald Trump all but announces presidential bid

Probably too good to be true.

He’ll keep hinting and his meat puppets will keep begging, but he knows he will never run.

52 HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2015 7:04:30pm

re: #51 Kragar

He’ll keep hinting and his meat puppets will keep begging, but he knows he will never run.

See, Palin, Sarah.

53 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 6, 2015 7:07:06pm

niterz, lizardz…

54 Dark_Falcon  Jun 6, 2015 7:08:31pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

It’s obviously a right wing site. This is exactly what I was talking about. The “fake rape” meme is becoming a mainstream right wing opinion.

That article I linked to didn’t have a ‘fake rape’ meme. There’s a difference between arguing “She’s faking having been raped!” and arguing “Her supporters are engaging in a rush to judgement and are intolerant of any disagreement with their views”.

I grant that the difference isn’t a vast one, as someone going after a rape victim can often use the “I’m just asking questions.” tactic, but that is not what Ken White is doing.

55 Kragar  Jun 6, 2015 7:12:45pm
56 HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2015 7:14:03pm

re: #55 Kragar

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Lightweight. A real man uses his hands.

57 jaunte  Jun 6, 2015 7:14:10pm

re: #55 Kragar

I must admit, that’s the first time I’ve ever seen anyone eat barbecue with gloves on.

58 HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2015 7:14:49pm

re: #57 jaunte

I must admit, that’s the first time I’ve ever seen anyone eat barbecue with gloves on.

Too bad Maryland’s not going to be competitive because I’d love to see how Walker eats crabs.

59 Kragar  Jun 6, 2015 7:15:10pm

re: #56 HappyWarrior

Lightweight. A real man uses his hands.

I thought pizza with a fork was bad, but this… wtf?

60 TedStriker  Jun 6, 2015 7:15:20pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

It’s obviously a right wing site. This is exactly what I was talking about. The “fake rape” meme is becoming a mainstream right wing opinion.

It feels odd to defend Dark, but in this case, did you read the entire PH post that Dark linked to? If anything, I took it that Ken White (proprietor of Popehat) was saying to let the legal system determine guilt or innocence, not private parties.

#Teamharpy’s supporters seem to suggest that Murphy should rely on the goodwill of the librarian community, not the legal system, to vindicate him. If there’s truth to the accusations against him, he should get legally curbstomped. But if there’s not, why should he rely on the goodwill of a community that apparently wants to define him as guilty by dint of having been accused? Does this sound like a community that will judge him fairly?

61 Charles Johnson  Jun 6, 2015 7:16:01pm

re: #54 Dark_Falcon

Sure, there’s a difference; he isn’t outright screaming “fake rape,” he’s just concocting a labored rationale to support the people who ARE screaming “fake rape.”

62 Charles Johnson  Jun 6, 2015 7:18:25pm

I expect the “fake rape” meme to become absolutely mainstream on the right during the next year leading up to the 2016 election.

63 HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2015 7:19:05pm

re: #59 Kragar

I thought pizza with a fork was bad, but this… wtf?

Yeah I’m actually amused by the bystanders in the photo who are probably thinking the same especially the little girl.

64 Kragar  Jun 6, 2015 7:20:12pm

re: #62 Charles Johnson

I expect the “fake rape” meme to become absolutely mainstream on the right during the next year leading up to the 2016 election.

Real rape is always a violent attack and if the woman had a gun, she would have been perfectly safe!

65 TedStriker  Jun 6, 2015 7:20:49pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

Sure, there’s a difference; he isn’t outright screaming “fake rape,” he’s just concocting a labored rationale to support the people who ARE screaming “fake rape.”

Huh? Are we talking about the same article here?

66 Dark_Falcon  Jun 6, 2015 7:24:21pm

re: #60 TedStriker

Thank you for that.

67 William Lewis  Jun 6, 2015 7:26:34pm

re: #55 Kragar

I can’t believe I’m defending the slimebag, but it would appear he was helping to either prepare or serve the ribs and might well be legally required to be gloved up in that circumstance. Even he’s not dumb enough to not know how it would look otherwise. Not a “Governor in a Tank” moment, alas.

68 Charles Johnson  Jun 6, 2015 7:26:44pm

re: #65 TedStriker

Huh? Are we talking about the same article here?

Yes, we are.

69 HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2015 7:27:22pm

re: #67 William Lewis

I can’t believe I’m defending the slimebag, but it would appear he was helping to either prepare or serve the ribs and might well be legally required to be gloved up in that circumstance. Even he’s not dumb enough to not know how it would look otherwise. Not a “Governor in a Tank” moment, alas.

Ah well that would make sense then. As for the Dukakis moment, I will point out that Dukakis had been in the military. I know it looked bad and was silly but it wasn’t as if he hadn’t been in the service ever.

70 Mattand  Jun 6, 2015 7:27:34pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

Ted Cruz isn’t stupid. He was a debate champ. He knows there are probably a lot of psycho gun nuts among his followers, and he’s not taking any chances.

“I will go to my grave extolling the virtues of people french-kissing angry rattlesnakes, but you’re out of your fucking mind if you think I’m actually going to do it myself.”

71 HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2015 7:29:06pm

re: #70 Mattand

“I will go to my grave extolling the virtues of people french-kissing angry rattlesnakes, but you’re out of your fucking mind if you think I’m actually going to do it myself.”

That pretty much is what he’s saying. “Oh sure do away with background checks for guns but I want to know who’s going to be hunting with me.”

72 teleskiguy  Jun 6, 2015 7:29:59pm

Beau’s passing is obviously the saddest thing in Joe Biden’s life. Joe’s usually excellent at keeping his composure in public, he’s having a rough time doing that these days, understandably.

So sad.

73 Mattand  Jun 6, 2015 7:31:47pm

re: #72 teleskiguy

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Beau’s passing is obviously the saddest thing in Joe Biden’s life. Joe’s usually excellent at keeping his composure in public, he’s having a rough time doing that these days, understandably.

So sad.

When you think about the crushing personal tragedies Biden has had to deal with while being a public figure, it makes me admire him that much more.

74 HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2015 7:32:01pm

re: #72 teleskiguy

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Beau’s passing is obviously the saddest thing in Joe Biden’s life. Joe’s usually excellent at keeping his composure in public, he’s having a rough time doing that these days, understandably.

So sad.

I feel so bad for him. I hope this moment has helped him realize though that he’s done a lot of good things as a Senator and VP and people haven’t forgotten. He really is one of the best people in politics and I wish I could vote for him to be president but I’d be shocked if he runs especially after Beau’s passing and I would be surprised even if Beau were in great health.

75 Archangelus  Jun 6, 2015 7:32:06pm

re: #55 Kragar

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Hells bells, that’s worse than eating M&Ms in a bowl with a spoon or eating a Mars bars with a knife and fork insofar as I’m concerned…

76 HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2015 7:33:13pm

re: #73 Mattand

When you think about the crushing personal tragedies Biden has had to deal with while being a public figure, it makes me admire him that much more.

How he’s dealt with them makes me admire him. Loses his wife and daughter in that first tragedy and manages to take that commuter train back and forth everyday to be there for them. My mom was remarking about her own commute which is about two hours and she remarked that after reading about what Biden did that she had no room to complain about hers.

77 Kragar  Jun 6, 2015 7:33:59pm
78 Mattand  Jun 6, 2015 7:36:22pm

re: #75 Archangelus

Hells bells, this worse than eating M&Ms in a bowl with a spoon or eating a Mars bars with a knife and fork insofar as I’m concerned…

Much as I don’t like Walker, I’m willing to let him slide on this one. He’s probably shaking hands all day long; wearing the gloves is just being efficent.

Now, eating pizza with a fork and knife? Eff that noise.

79 Charles Johnson  Jun 6, 2015 7:37:26pm

I’m kind of bemused that I have to defend my opinion that “Popehat” is a right wing blog. Seriously. Just look at the blogs they link to. Yes, this is a right wing website, no question about it.

80 HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2015 7:38:55pm

re: #77 Kragar

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Yeah have to roll my eyes at that one too. Hasn’t Kasparov heard of the expression too many chefs? And as for the GOP and democracy I just have to laugh since they haven’t liked a voter suppression effort they haven’t liked. And the Dems have four candidates running too. Yes, Hillary is the favorite but is that really any different than everytime there’s been a next in line for the GOP i.e. McCain in 2008, W Bush in 2000, his father in ‘88, and Reagan in ‘80.

81 b_sharp  Jun 6, 2015 7:39:22pm

re: #78 Mattand

Much as I don’t like Walker, I’m willing to let him slide on this one. He’s probably shaking hands all day long; wearing the gloves is just being efficent.

Now, eating pizza with a fork and knife? Eff that noise.

V always eats pizza with a knife and fork.

Don’t ask me, I only live with the woman.

82 Gus  Jun 6, 2015 7:39:54pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

I’m kind of bemused that I have to defend my opinion that “Popehat” is a right wing blog. Seriously. Just look at the blogs they link to. Yes, this is a right wing website, no question about it.

He has his broken clock moments but I actually had him blocked for a while. But yeah, he’s basically right of center and sometimes well to the right.

83 HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2015 7:40:06pm

re: #78 Mattand

Much as I don’t like Walker, I’m willing to let him slide on this one. He’s probably shaking hands all day long; wearing the gloves is just being efficent.

Now, eating pizza with a fork and knife? Eff that noise.

You do have a point even though it seems that he was preparing the food too. Not a biggie. I don’t think anyone of us are going to be voting against Walker because he eats ribs strangely.

84 Kragar  Jun 6, 2015 7:40:42pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

Also Bernie Sanders, Lincoln Chaffee, and Martin O’Malley don’t exist

85 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jun 6, 2015 7:40:46pm

re: #48 bratwurst

In Raleigh, Donald Trump all but announces presidential bid

Probably too good to be true.

He’ll never run. Lawrence O’Donnell (I think that’s the guy’s name, I’m suddenly drawing a blank) made the point four years ago that the Donald will simply NOT make the financial disclosures he would have to if he were a declared candidate, and he wouldn’t cancel the Celebrity Apprentice series. He’ll flirt with the wingnuts, be he doesn’t have the guts.

86 HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2015 7:41:51pm

re: #84 Kragar

Also Bernie Sanders, Lincoln Chaffee, and Martin O’Malley don’t exist

Exactly. I mean yeah Hillary is the overwhelming favorite but okay so that just means Democratic voters have a favorite and GOP voters don’t.

87 Charles Johnson  Jun 6, 2015 7:42:14pm

re: #82 Gus

He has his broken clock moments but I actually had him blocked for a while. But yeah, he’s basically right of center and sometimes well to the right.

I have him blocked for good, after he viciously attacked me with stalker blog talking points. That’s who this is.

88 Mattand  Jun 6, 2015 7:42:52pm

re: #83 HappyWarrior

You do have a point even though it seems that he was preparing the food too. Not a biggie. I don’t think anyone of us are going to be voting against Walker because he eats ribs strangely.

LOL, speak for yourself. You have no idea of the depth of my shallowness!

Wait, what?

89 HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2015 7:44:09pm

re: #88 Mattand

LOL, speak for yourself. You have no idea of the depth of my shallowness!

Wait, what?

I do have to admit it always amuses me when candidates try to act like everymen and end up looking silly in the process.

90 Mattand  Jun 6, 2015 7:45:59pm

re: #85 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

He’ll never run. Lawrence O’Donnell (I think that’s the guy’s name, I’m suddenly drawing a blank) made the point four years ago that the Donald will simply NOT make the financial disclosures he would have to if he were a declared candidate, and he wouldn’t cancel the Celebrity Apprentice series. He’ll flirt with the wingnuts, be he doesn’t have the guts.

Yeah, that’s been my take on it. Given all of the bankruptcies in his wake, it’s really hard to believe he’d leave himself open to that kind of abuse.

Trump’s either bullshitting everyone for the publicity, and doesn’t care that most people are on to it; or he’s that effing round the bend in his delusions.

91 teleskiguy  Jun 6, 2015 7:47:21pm

92 danarchy  Jun 6, 2015 7:47:42pm

re: #59 Kragar

I thought pizza with a fork was bad, but this… wtf?

Just wondering, but he is standing in front of the cutting board, before he took that bite was he actually serving people? If so the gloves make sense.

93 Mattand  Jun 6, 2015 7:47:52pm

re: #87 Charles Johnson

I have him blocked for good, after he viciously attacked me with stalker blog talking points. That’s who this is.

Geez, I need to go review this guy’s stuff. I was aware of who Popehat is, but maybe have perused the blog a tiny handful of times.

94 teleskiguy  Jun 6, 2015 7:48:31pm

re: #62 Charles Johnson

I expect the “fake rape” meme to become absolutely mainstream on the right during the next year leading up to the 2016 election.

95 HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2015 7:48:55pm

re: #94 teleskiguy

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Thanks I was looking for that. That’s a great illustration of how cavalier the GOP is to rape.

96 Dark_Falcon  Jun 6, 2015 7:51:09pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

I’m kind of bemused that I have to defend my opinion that “Popehat” is a right wing blog. Seriously. Just look at the blogs they link to. Yes, this is a right wing website, no question about it.

‘Right-of-center’ ≠ ‘Wingnut’.

It’s entirely possible to be conservative without being misogynistic. But also, while the blogroll includes ex-lizard Iowahawk, it does not include Jim Hoft, nor Michelle Kalkin and her ‘Twitchy’ crowd. And it also includes blogs such as the Juvenile Justice Blog, which are far from being right-wing.

Charles, Ken White is right-of-center, but he’s not a nut. I know don’t agree with him, but he really isn’t a malefactor.

97 Charles Johnson  Jun 6, 2015 7:58:03pm

re: #96 Dark_Falcon

I seem to recall you saying the same thing about Kevin Williamson.

98 teleskiguy  Jun 6, 2015 7:58:37pm

re: #97 Charles Johnson

I seem to recall you saying the same thing about Kevin Williamson.

GO TEAM GO!

99 BeachDem  Jun 6, 2015 7:58:53pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

Remember when Todd Akin talked about “legitimate rape?” He was a ground-breaker, and we didn’t even know it. The right wing is adopting this view of rape en masse.

Shouldn’t be surprising. Right wing ideology holds that women are second class citizens. Everything about the GOP agenda derives from this basic misogyny.

Never a bad time to remind everyone where the GOP stands on rape:
9 volumes and counting.

goprapeadvisorychart.com

100 Dark_Falcon  Jun 6, 2015 8:02:02pm

re: #98 teleskiguy

GO TEAM GO!

I’ve gone after the rape deniers like Chuckles and the excuse-makers like Huckabee. I just don’t think this particular blogger is one of those anti-women assholes.

And with that, I need to take a step back.

101 HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2015 8:02:32pm

re: #99 BeachDem

Never a bad time to remind everyone where the GOP stands on rape:
9 volumes and counting.

goprapeadvisorychart.com

Yes, this is the biggie I was looking for. As we cam see Akin actually wasn’t that new. It was just fortunate that he got called out on it loudly.

102 teleskiguy  Jun 6, 2015 8:04:09pm

re: #99 BeachDem

That’s horrifying.

I fear Charles may be correct on this one. We’ll be hearing about “fake rape” during the GOP debates.

103 Dark_Falcon  Jun 6, 2015 8:06:51pm

re: #100 Dark_Falcon

Actually, before I leave I’m gonna post two links to stories from the Juvenile Justice Blog, because they make important arguments to counter the spews of women haters:

Why do Victims “Lie”?

And here’s one aimed straight at dicks like Todd Akin:

No Perfect Victim

Now I’ll step back.

104 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 6, 2015 8:10:24pm

Contingency Plans

In a never-before-released thesis, Reagan’s FEMA director discussed the potential internment of millions of blacks in concentration camps.

From Ann Laurie @ Balloon Juice, in response to this incredible piece of Schweinerei:

105 HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2015 8:11:51pm

re: #104 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Contingency Plans

From Ann Laurie @ Balloon Juice, in response to this incredible piece of Schweinerei:

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What in the.

106 Kragar  Jun 6, 2015 8:15:10pm
107 Kragar  Jun 6, 2015 8:15:35pm

re: #104 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

108 BeachDem  Jun 6, 2015 8:15:39pm

re: #101 HappyWarrior

Yes, this is the biggie I was looking for. As we cam see Akin actually wasn’t that new. It was just fortunate that he got called out on it loudly.

Always here to help (it’s one of my most frequently used bookmarks!)

109 Gus  Jun 6, 2015 8:16:43pm

re: #104 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Contingency Plans

From Ann Laurie @ Balloon Juice, in response to this incredible piece of Schweinerei:

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110 HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2015 8:17:12pm

re: #109 Gus

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I dunno, I liked Jan 20th 1989.

111 palomino  Jun 6, 2015 8:17:47pm

re: #45 Dark_Falcon

Popehat’s the site, and Ken White’s the writer. And White’s review of Mad Max: Fury Road doesn’t strike me as the sort of piece a wingnut would write. Someone right-of-center, with a touch of Dudebro perhaps, but not a wingnut.

It’s not a bad review. But White goes out of his way to insist that Mad Max is not making a feminist statement. That it’s not a “feminist film”, as if somehow that would ruin it.

112 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 6, 2015 8:17:49pm

Why is everybody going crazy over some dumb horse?

113 HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2015 8:17:56pm

re: #108 BeachDem

Always here to help (it’s one of my most frequently used bookmarks!)

Yes- much thanks.

114 Kragar  Jun 6, 2015 8:18:52pm
115 William Lewis  Jun 6, 2015 8:19:24pm

re: #104 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

My favorite Reagan moment was when he woke up in hell.

116 HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2015 8:20:20pm

re: #114 Kragar

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Yes I’ve been saying something like this for years.

117 teleskiguy  Jun 6, 2015 8:21:58pm

re: #112 Lord Of The Pies

Why is everybody going crazy over some dumb horse?

118 palomino  Jun 6, 2015 8:23:23pm

re: #112 Lord Of The Pies

Why is everybody going crazy over some dumb horse?

It’s a slow sports day. So everyone pretends to be excited cuz the horse did something that hasn’t been done since the 70s.

But I agree, it’s pretty dumb. And horse racing seems like its heyday was about a half century ago, at least.

119 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 6, 2015 8:24:54pm

re: #118 palomino

It’s a slow sports day. So everyone pretends to be excited cuz the horse did something that hasn’t been done since the 70s.

But I agree, it’s pretty dumb. And horse racing seems like its heyday was about a half century ago, at least.

I remember about 10 years ago a champion horse broke its leg and had to be euthanized. Yayy we love horses.

120 Great White Snark  Jun 6, 2015 8:27:22pm

re: #112 Lord Of The Pies

Why is everybody going crazy over some dumb horse?

1%er $ glamour plus gambling.

121 teleskiguy  Jun 6, 2015 8:27:58pm

re: #107 Kragar

That whole thread is 95% “Reagan’s a criminal” and 5% “Reagan’s a hero.”

All the lulz!

122 William Lewis  Jun 6, 2015 8:29:18pm

They lost one in an earlier race today too. Broke a leg and they put it down out there in the infield.

Horse racing isn’t very big in America these days but it is still big in places like England, Ireland, Australia and through out much of the middle east.

I’d rather a nice crossbreed saddle horse, maybe a quarter horse, just to saddle ride if I ever had to deal with one again. Give me mah saber and I’ll get them kids off of mah lawn!!!

123 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 6, 2015 8:29:28pm

re: #120 Great White Snark

1%er $ glamour plus gambling.

Well, you’d think the favorite would win once every 37 years or so…otherwise it might look like the bookies don’t know what they’re doing!

124 BeachDem  Jun 6, 2015 8:31:32pm

re: #115 William Lewis

My favorite Reagan moment was when he woke up in hell.

My favorite Reagan memory is what James Garner said about him:

Ronald Reagan wasn’t qualified to be governor, let alone president. I was a vice president of the Screen Actors Guild when he was its president. My duties consisted of attending meetings and voting. The only thing I remember is that Ronnie never had an original thought and that we had to tell him what to say. That’s no way to run a union, let along a state or a country.”

Loved me some James Garner. So sad he’s gone.

Garner is what he calls a “bleeding-heart liberal,” having participated in the 1963 civil rights March on Washington and later advocating for a number of progressive causes. He voted for Dwight D. Eisenhower in 1952, he writes, but never cast a ballot for a Republican again. He voted for Adlai Stevenson in 1956, and calls him “the most intelligent presidential candidate we’ve ever had. I think Obama runs a close second.”

variety.com

125 Kragar  Jun 6, 2015 8:32:04pm
126 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 6, 2015 8:32:14pm

I have to admit I loved Seattle Slew—he would look behind and scamper ahead just as fast as he needed to to stay in front. He was just playing with them. We’ll never know how fast he really was.

127 HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2015 8:32:56pm

re: #124 BeachDem

My favorite Reagan memory is what James Garner said about him:

Ronald Reagan wasn’t qualified to be governor, let alone president. I was a vice president of the Screen Actors Guild when he was its president. My duties consisted of attending meetings and voting. The only thing I remember is that Ronnie never had an original thought and that we had to tell him what to say. That’s no way to run a union, let along a state or a country.”

Loved me some James Garner. So sad he’s gone.

Garner is what he calls a “bleeding-heart liberal,” having participated in the 1963 civil rights March on Washington and later advocating for a number of progressive causes. He voted for Dwight D. Eisenhower in 1952, he writes, but never cast a ballot for a Republican again. He voted for Adlai Stevenson in 1956, and calls him “the most intelligent presidential candidate we’ve ever had. I think Obama runs a close second.”

variety.com

Loved him as Henley in the Great Escape.

128 Kilroy01  Jun 6, 2015 8:34:00pm

re: #127 HappyWarrior

Loved him as Henley in the Great Escape.

New on Netflix this week by the way.

129 HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2015 8:34:29pm

re: #128 Kilroy01

New on Netflix this week by the way.

I saw. I own it on DVD but I was really happy to see that none the less.

130 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 6, 2015 8:36:16pm

re: #122 William Lewis

They lost one in an earlier race today too. Broke a leg and they put it down out there in the infield.

Horse racing isn’t very big in America these days but it is still big in places like England, Ireland, Australia and through out much of the middle east.

I’d rather a nice crossbreed saddle horse, maybe a quarter horse, just to saddle ride if I ever had to deal with one again. Give me mah saber and I’ll get them kids off of mah lawn!!!

I’m actually a bit afraid of horses. They are too big, their brains are too small, and they know that I’m not sure around them.

RBS

131 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 6, 2015 8:37:07pm

re: #128 Kilroy01

New on Netflix this week by the way.

A 52-year-old movie is “new” this week on Netflix? Boy, that makes me want to jump right in and pay them money every month!

132 Great White Snark  Jun 6, 2015 8:38:41pm

re: #119 Lord Of The Pies

I remember about 10 years ago a champion horse broke its leg and had to be euthanized. Yayy we love horses.

Kinda like the NFL but the horses can’t talk or get arrested

133 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 6, 2015 8:40:13pm

And there is some freaking out because the horse owner is an Arab Jew and people are like how is that even possible.

134 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 6, 2015 8:41:04pm

Now if only the horse owner was also Black, gay and a woman we would have all bases covered.

135 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 6, 2015 8:41:32pm

re: #133 Lord Of The Pies

And there is some freaking out because the horse owner is an Arab Jew and people are like how is that even possible.

No mention of Tariq Aziz being a Christian, either, I notice.

136 Gus  Jun 6, 2015 8:42:55pm
137 HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2015 8:43:02pm

re: #135 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

No mention of Tariq Aziz being a Christian, either, I notice.

IIRC most Arab-Americans are Christian. Not sure if that number is still true but it always amuses me when people assume Arab/Middle Eastern= definitely Muslim. I wonder how these people would respond if they ever met Bosnians.

138 ObserverArt  Jun 6, 2015 8:43:11pm

It almost seems like the word ‘rape’ is under attack. Like if you fight over the actual meaning and say the whole issues is so muddled the word becomes an eye-roller type word.

“Oh, she/he said she/he was raped. Yeah, right…don’t they all (eyeroll)”

Adding ‘fake’ in front to form the phrase ‘fake rape’ seems to be a rape of the word rape. If someone is faking a story that she/he was raped but wasn’t that would be lying, false accusation of a crime. Can a rape ever be fake? Is it even proper to put the two words together?

Add in the far right conservative thinking that a women must carry a rapist child to term and other similar thinking, there might be a reason the same people would want to have fake rapes as a phrase. If there is an immediately questionable chance a woman was faking the rape, then all the reason not to allow her an abortion, she is just getting out of a pregnancy by faking it.

I hope I make sense, getting late. Tough subject too. But I saw Charles’ posts and thought I’d at least add to how the GOP might benefit from pushing fake rapes as a phrase for scorn. There is also the gamer dude and CCJ take about fake rapes.

I guess what surprises me most is that there is now more question about how real a rape is than I can remember when I was younger. It was a very serious allegation and the word was powerful. It really does seem there is some kind of strange movement to hurt the whole concept there ever can be rape.

Later…off to nodville!

139 Belafon  Jun 6, 2015 8:43:54pm

re: #131 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

A 52-year-old movie is “new” this week on Netflix? Boy, that makes me want to jump right in and pay them money every month!

Considering movie companies won’t just hand them to Netflix, this isn’t exactly surprising. The major studios would rather sit on their films and not make money rather than having a home viewing service that they don’t control succeed.

140 TedStriker  Jun 6, 2015 8:44:51pm

re: #87 Charles Johnson

I have him blocked for good, after he viciously attacked me with stalker blog talking points. That’s who this is.

Damn…seriously?

141 HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2015 8:45:11pm

re: #139 Belafon

Considering movie companies won’t just hand them to Netflix, this isn’t exactly surprising. The major studios would rather sit on their films and not make money rather than having a home viewing service that they don’t control succeed.

Yeah. On the other hand, I did see that Seinfeld is coming to Hulu. Know what I’ll be binge watching. I was too young when Seinfeld was at its peak to watch.

142 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 6, 2015 8:45:20pm

Wingnuts be fucking crazy

143 HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2015 8:46:48pm

re: #142 Lord Of The Pies

Wingnuts be fucking crazy

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You know I appreciate the military but do wingnuts have to always go “Well but but the military.” Not that I don’t appreciate that the US cavalry has done- I know about their role at the Battle of Gettysburg but this is just tacky

144 Great White Snark  Jun 6, 2015 8:47:57pm

re: #131 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well not to defend Netflix, but more the whole streaming classic/old movie genre. A lot of the old movies are being remastered, and for the first time ever in original form to your television. By close to original I mean 1080 or 4k/UHD. Not pan and scan. Not 420 like on television for decades. Good deep colors.

To get that your other option is a screening at a real theater. Also worthwhile for the classics.

145 HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2015 8:48:04pm

The streaming shows is probably the best thing NF has to offer.

146 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 6, 2015 8:48:05pm

re: #142 Lord Of The Pies

Wingnuts be fucking crazy

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What about the Confederate States’ War-of-Northern-Aggression cavalry? I thought those were their heroes?

147 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 6, 2015 8:48:25pm

re: #143 HappyWarrior

You know I appreciate the military but do wingnuts have to always go “Well but but the military.” Not that I don’t appreciate that the US cavalry has done- I know about their role at the Battle of Gettysburg but this is just tacky

Horses did not volunteer for the cavalry. They did not even know what they were doing there.

148 HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2015 8:48:45pm

re: #144 Great White Snark

Well not to defend Netflix, but more the whole streaming classic/old movie genre. A lot of the old movies are being remastered, and for the first time ever in original form to your television. By close to original I mean 1080 or 4k/UHD. Not pan and scan. Not 420 like on television for decades. Good deep colors.

To get that your other option is a screening at a real theater. Also worthwhile for the classics.

It’s also on the studios more so than NF. I am sure if NF had their choice, they’d stream all they could find.

149 HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2015 8:49:03pm

re: #147 Lord Of The Pies

Horses did not volunteer for the cavalry. They did not even know what they were doing there.

That’s a good point too.

150 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 6, 2015 8:50:14pm

re: #142 Lord Of The Pies

Wingnuts be fucking crazy

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And no wingnut has ever shown the courage of those that braved the firehoses, dogs and lynchings in places like Montgomery, Selma and Birmingham.

RBS

151 HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2015 8:50:42pm

Now back to horses. They’re incredible animals. My dad’s parents raised them. It was one of my grandmother’s saddest days when she had to sell them since she could not take care of them anymore.

152 HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2015 8:50:56pm

re: #150 RealityBasedSteve

And no wingnut has ever shown the courage of those that braved the firehoses, dogs and lynchings in places like Montgomery, Selma and Birmingham.

RBS

Word.

153 teleskiguy  Jun 6, 2015 8:51:08pm

This tweet has proven to be somewhat popular (for me anyways). It’s been getting fav’d and retweeted slow and steady since I posted it.

Bill Zedler is a Republican representative in the Texas State House for District 96.

154 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 6, 2015 8:51:42pm

re: #144 Great White Snark

Well not to defend Netflix, but more the whole streaming classic/old movie genre. A lot of the old movies are being remastered, and for the first time ever in original form to your television. By close to original I mean 1080 or 4k/UHD. Not pan and scan. Not 420 like on television for decades. Good deep colors.

To get that your other option is a screening at a real theater. Also worthwhile for the classics.

Feel free to tell me this, ‘cause I really don’t know how any of this works:

155 Kragar  Jun 6, 2015 8:52:19pm

re: #153 teleskiguy

156 HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2015 8:53:22pm

re: #153 teleskiguy

This tweet has proven to be somewhat popular (for me anyways). It’s been getting fav’d and retweeted slow and steady since I posted it.

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Bill Zedler is a Republican representative in the Texas State House for District 96.

Great response. I didn’t realize that he was an elected official before yesterday.

157 teleskiguy  Jun 6, 2015 8:56:41pm

re: #156 HappyWarrior

Great response.

Thanks. 30 other people on Twitter agree as well.

158 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 6, 2015 8:57:24pm
159 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 6, 2015 8:57:41pm

Well, I’m off to bed. Get up and go diving tomorrow with a buddy and his daughters (11 and 13). They are both good little divers, keep track of each other well, both have a good head on their shoulders.

The only problem is that they swim like little tadpoles, and us old bullfrogs are in back trying to keep up. :)

Have a good evening, and remember to feel free to help yourselves to the pickled hard-boiled eggs in the jar at the end of the bar. I’m sure they are still good.

RBS

160 HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2015 8:57:45pm

re: #157 teleskiguy

Thanks. 30 other people on Twitter agree as well.

Really what kind of fucking asshole is this guy? I’d be ashamed if he were my rep.

161 HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2015 8:58:45pm

re: #158 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Huckabee campaign downplays disappearing Duggar endorsement: They were just old.

Bull-fucking shit Mike. You had them right up until Michelle and Jim Bob showed the whole country what many of us already suspected. So go fuck yourself, you were happy to have their endorsement before.

162 HappyWarrior  Jun 6, 2015 8:59:29pm

Yet Huckabee hasn’t deleted his Ted Nugent endorsement.

163 teleskiguy  Jun 6, 2015 8:59:41pm

re: #153 teleskiguy

And the cockpunch hasn’t tweeted since.

164 teleskiguy  Jun 6, 2015 9:05:31pm

So much for “scientific racism.”

165 Belafon  Jun 6, 2015 9:09:26pm

re: #164 teleskiguy

So much for “scientific racism.”

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Eh, he’s just one of the good ones.

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166 EPR-radar  Jun 6, 2015 9:13:59pm

re: #32 Dark_Falcon

I’m late to this party, but I don’t see anything really objectionable in the linked Popehat piece. His main point seems to be that it is a mistake to treat any allegation, include a rape allegation, as inherently being true and beyond question. I don’t think it is reasonable to equate this position with the MRA “fake rape” crap (which really is indefensible).

Also, it would be bizarre if a lawyer like Ken White were to take the position that allegations are inherently true. Just think of all the lost business.//

167 Belafon  Jun 6, 2015 9:17:47pm

re: #165 Belafon

I went digging for the problem he’s supposed to have solved, and the real answer to that is that he didn’t solve any math problem. He did seem to have graduated at the top, but there is no math problem he solved.

quora.com

168 jaunte  Jun 6, 2015 9:18:09pm
169 TedStriker  Jun 6, 2015 9:19:31pm

re: #140 TedStriker

To be clear, I never looked at Popehat’s blogroll and I don’t frequent the place; I just basically read about their involvement with the whole Charles Carreon vs. The Oatmeal deal via Ars Technica and may have looked over there at the time for such related things. Maybe, I was relying on a faulty read of how Popehat/Ken White leans; in any case, I had no idea of your personal dealings with them, which is why I was surprised to hear you say that White is a wingnut.

170 jaunte  Jun 6, 2015 9:19:53pm
171 Great White Snark  Jun 6, 2015 9:20:49pm

re: #154 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

So much is happening in “film”.
To keep the theater experience way ahead of home we now have the first true 3d sound, called Atmos. 65mm, 70mm, IMAX film and 8k digital cameras ruling production of features right now. Studios are supplying special anamorphic lenses to certain high end theaters for the latest formats. Custom lenses for particular film makers.

172 BeachDem  Jun 6, 2015 9:20:59pm

I love this—wish they could make it happen:

One of the most high-stakes issues facing elected leaders currently is climate change. Powerful lobbying efforts to obfuscate the science that shows what’s driving it have turned the issue into a messy partisan squabble, with many conservatives denying it as a hoax.

A group called ScienceDebate wants to reverse this by making presidential candidates participate in a debate dedicated to science issues during the general election, ThinkProgress reports.

rawstory.com

thinkprogress.org

173 Gus  Jun 6, 2015 9:22:38pm

&re: #170 jaunte

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When craters look convex rather than concave.

We used to turn photos upside down back when we were kids to see that trick.

174 EPR-radar  Jun 6, 2015 9:24:05pm

re: #169 TedStriker

To be clear, I never looked at Popehat’s blogroll and I don’t frequent the place; I just basically read their coverage of the whole Charles Carreon vs. The Oatmeal deal via Ars Technica. Maybe, I was relying on a faulty read of how Popehat/Ken White leans; in any case, I had no idea of your personal dealings with them, which is why I was surprised to hear you say that White is a wingnut.

The write-ups of the Prenda Law saga at Popehat are worth reading, purely for the entertainment value.

The brief summary is that Prenda Law had the enterprising business model of sending unsolicited pornography to people and then threatening to sue them for copyright infringement unless they were paid off. The principals and legal counsel of this shady enterprise are presently in the process of getting raked over the coals in Federal Court.

175 jaunte  Jun 6, 2015 9:24:15pm

re: #173 Gus

Hyperion looks like a piece of pumice.
jpl.nasa.gov

176 TedStriker  Jun 6, 2015 9:30:20pm

re: #174 EPR-radar

The write-ups of the Prenda Law saga at Popehat are worth reading, purely for the entertainment value.

The brief summary is that Prenda Law had the enterprising business model of sending unsolicited pornography to people and then threatening to sue them for copyright infringement unless they were paid off. The principals and legal counsel of this shady enterprise are presently in the process of getting raked over the coals in Federal Court.

Forgot about the Prenda Law/Popehat stuff, even though I shouldn’t have.

IIRC, it was even worse than what you summarized; supposedly, Prenda (or a Prenda front) seeded torrents of the porn in question, then tracked who downloaded it and went after the downloaders to settle or sue.

177 BeachDem  Jun 6, 2015 9:30:25pm

Well, another Sunday to sleep in. The yak shows have all the usual suspects. Lowlights:

Chris Christie and Rick Perry on Face the Nation.
Newt and Scottie Walker on This Week.
Santorum all over Fox.
And, CNN is really breaking the bank with this hideous group on State of the Union— Lindsey Graham, Rick Perry, Lincoln Chafee, Joni Ernst and the very awful Tom Cotton. (four CREEPY Republicans, and former Republican, Chafee)

178 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 6, 2015 9:31:51pm

re: #175 jaunte

Hyperion looks like a piece of pumice.
jpl.nasa.gov

Looks like a tiny little rock, doesn’t it? If it were a sphere of the same volume, it’d be a little bit larger in surface area than Minnesota. Since it’s not spherical, it’d be larger yet. Don’t drop your keys!

179 sagehen  Jun 6, 2015 9:32:17pm

re: #126 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I have to admit I loved Seattle Slew—he would look behind and scamper ahead just as fast as he needed to to stay in front. He was just playing with them. We’ll never know how fast he really was.

cough*cough*cough

J. O. Tobin was the superior animal.

180 teleskiguy  Jun 6, 2015 9:35:48pm

re: #167 Belafon

I went digging for the problem he’s supposed to have solved, and the real answer to that is that he didn’t solve any math problem. He did seem to have graduated at the top, but there is no math problem he solved.

quora.com

I wouldn’t expect anything less from a Banksy fan Twitter account.

Bring any claim to LGF and we’ll fuckin’ get to the bottom of it! Good website.

181 Gus  Jun 6, 2015 9:37:21pm
182 sagehen  Jun 6, 2015 9:37:40pm

re: #177 BeachDem

Well, another Sunday to sleep in. The yak shows have all the usual suspects. Lowlights:

Chris Christie and Rick Perry on Face the Nation.
Newt and Scottie Walker on This Week.
Santorum all over Fox.
And, CNN is really breaking the bank with this hideous group on State of the Union— Lindsey Graham, Rick Perry, Lincoln Chafee, Joni Ernst and the very awful Tom Cotton. (four CREEPY Republicans, and former Republican, Chafee)

Your liberal media in action.

183 Kragar  Jun 6, 2015 9:38:36pm

re: #181 Gus

or as those of us who work on base call it, an extra 30 minutes to get to and from work

184 Gus  Jun 6, 2015 9:39:27pm

re: #183 Kragar

or as those of us who work on base call it, an extra 30 minutes to get to and from work

:P

185 Gus  Jun 6, 2015 9:40:03pm

re: #183 Kragar

or as those of us who work on base call it, an extra 30 minutes to get to and from work

Seriously though. That’s one fucking great shot. :D

186 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 6, 2015 9:40:15pm

re: #181 Gus

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All lies! Obama personally throws himself in front of the planes to keep them from hurting a hair on ISIS’ head!

187 BeachDem  Jun 6, 2015 9:40:54pm

re: #182 sagehen

Your liberal media in action.

Yeah, the utter left-leaning lineups are just breathtaking.
///

188 Gus  Jun 6, 2015 9:42:00pm

re: #183 Kragar

or as those of us who work on base call it, an extra 30 minutes to get to and from work

AKA “Family Day” too. :D

189 retired cynic  Jun 6, 2015 9:42:07pm

re: #151 HappyWarrior

Now back to horses. They’re incredible animals. My dad’s parents raised them. It was one of my grandmother’s saddest days when she had to sell them since she could not take care of them anymore.

They are. That’s what we did, was raise horses all our lives. They aren’t stupid. They are better at being horses than people are!

190 Kragar  Jun 6, 2015 9:42:54pm

re: #188 Gus

AKA “Family Day” too. :D

*SHUDDER*

191 Gus  Jun 6, 2015 9:44:17pm

re: #190 Kragar

*SHUDDER*

I NEED TO GET OFF THIS FUCKING BOAT NOW AND GET BACK HOME I’M TIRED OF THIS 6 MONTH DEPLOYMENT!

192 Gus  Jun 6, 2015 9:45:11pm

ABBA

193 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 6, 2015 9:48:12pm

re: #188 Gus

AKA “Family Day” too. :D

Or Armed Forces Day and/or Base Open House.
Better: have some high ranking admiral visit the base and, as the host squadron, require the flight line personnel to work in Undress Whites.

194 Gus  Jun 6, 2015 9:49:23pm

re: #193 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Or Armed Forces Day and/or Base Open House.
Better: have some high ranking admiral visit the base and, as the host squadron, require the flight line personnel to work in Undress Whites.

Air shows are great.

195 Targetpractice  Jun 6, 2015 9:52:50pm

re: #183 Kragar

or as those of us who work on base call it, an extra 30 minutes to get to and from work

Around here, you can tell a carrier is coming in or heading out by the sudden upswing in noise from the air wing flying in. Good God, what a racket.

196 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 6, 2015 9:54:41pm

re: #194 Gus

Air shows are great.

In January of 1969 I was TAD at NALF El Centro. At the time it was the winter home of the Blue Angels. They shut down the field every day for them to practice. They were flying F4s at the time and the way they wrestled those big mothers around was scary.

197 Targetpractice  Jun 6, 2015 9:58:08pm

re: #196 Higgs Boson’s Mate

In January of 1969 I was TAD at NALF El Centro. At the time it was the winter home of the Blue Angels. They shut down the field every day for them to practice. They were flying F4s at the time and the way they wrestled those big mothers around was scary.

The F-4 Phantom: The triumph of thrust over aerodynamics.

198 TedStriker  Jun 6, 2015 9:59:20pm

re: #197 Targetpractice

The F-4 Phantom: The triumph of thrust over aerodynamics.

The Flying Brick

199 Gus  Jun 6, 2015 9:59:47pm

re: #196 Higgs Boson’s Mate

In January of 1969 I was TAD at NALF El Centro. At the time it was the winter home of the Blue Angels. They shut down the field every day for them to practice. They were flying F4s at the time and the way they wrestled those big mothers around was scary.

I squeezed in one F-4 BA show as a kid. Then saw the A-4s later. Both at Lakehurst NAS. About the same with the Thunderbirds only from the F-4E to the T-38. I still prefer the latter.

200 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 6, 2015 10:07:53pm

re: #199 Gus

I squeezed in one F-4 BA show as a kid. Then saw the A-4s later. Both at Lakehurst NAS. About the same with the Thunderbirds only from the F-4E to the T-38. I still prefer the latter.

The squadron I was in at the time was flying F9s, F9F8 single seaters and TF9 two seaters. Great, rugged, aircraft. We later transitioned to TA4Js and they were simple marvelous. You could throw those little sweethearts all over the sky and do axial rolls in them until the cows came home,

201 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 6, 2015 10:08:24pm

No photos, because they had signs up all over asking people not to take them, but I had a fantastic time today examining cross stitch and quilts and whatnot at the county fair.

County fairs are still definitely worth going to.

202 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 6, 2015 10:12:56pm

Truer words, etc:

You Can Ride The But-That’s-Just-Not-Fucking-True Fact-Go-Round:

It’s your right. It’s a free country.

But eventually, most sane people start to realize that they’re wasting their time trying to argue pod bay doors with HAL. That sadly, these are just meatbag reflex puppets who will never stop being loudly and proudly fucked-in-the head wrong because they like the feeling of being loud and proud and don’t really care about the fucked-in-the-head wrong part.

Because Freedumb.

203 teleskiguy  Jun 6, 2015 10:24:53pm

Just got to thinking about my grandfathers. George, who was around until I was 17, and Mike, who died before I was born of lung cancer in the early 70s, both WWII veterans. George was in the Air Force. He sat in this little ball underneath a big airplane and dropped huge bombs on buildings and people in Germany, Belgium and France. Mike was a Marine who fought at Guadalcanal and Okinawa. He had to kill human beings up close and personal. It’s an interesting and oft-discussed dichotomy in my family. George (father of my father) told me, his grandson, that the war was the best days of his life. Mike (father of my mother) never ever talked about his experiences in the war, according to my mom and aunt.

I wish I would have known Mike. He would have liked me.

:’(

204 Amory Blaine  Jun 6, 2015 10:27:26pm

Governor Dropout being all smart and stuff with his charts. The slogan he chose to promote a new arena for the Milwaukee Bucks has to be the worst I’ve ever seen.

205 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 6, 2015 10:31:56pm

re: #204 Amory Blaine

Governor Dropout being all smart and stuff with his charts. The slogan he chose to promote a new arena for the Milwaukee Bucks has to be the worst I’ve ever seen.

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Lends itself to making new memes, though.

206 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 6, 2015 10:32:09pm

re: #204 Amory Blaine

Governor Dropout being all smart and stuff with his charts. The slogan he chose to promote a new arena for the Milwaukee Bucks has to be the worst I’ve ever seen.

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Was Cheaper to Keep Her the worst movie ever made? Discuss….

207 Kragar  Jun 6, 2015 10:33:40pm

re: #204 Amory Blaine

Governor Dropout being all smart and stuff with his charts. The slogan he chose to promote a new arena for the Milwaukee Bucks has to be the worst I’ve ever seen.

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If sports arenas are such guaranteed money makers, why do leagues need taxpayer funds to subsidize their construction?

208 teleskiguy  Jun 6, 2015 10:36:18pm

It’s too fucking far out to tell, but I think that Scott Walker will be the top of the 2016 Republican ticket. I’ve been saying Ted Cruz Ted Cruz Ted Cruz in these comments, but I’m allowed to change my mind! And these are just stupid little goddamned internet comments!

Scott Walker is the ultimate 21st Century GOP Puppet. And he’ll have Koch Bros. money supporting his campaign.

Ugh.

209 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 6, 2015 10:36:52pm

re: #207 Kragar

If sports arenas are such guaranteed money makers, why do leagues need taxpayer funds to subsidize their construction?

Because you don’t stay rich if you have to actually use your money when you could get other people to invest theirs for you.

210 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 6, 2015 10:41:48pm

re: #209 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Because you don’t stay rich if you have to actually use your money when you could get other people to invest theirs for you.

It’s called leveraging other people’s money.

211 Kragar  Jun 6, 2015 10:47:08pm

re: #210 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

212 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 6, 2015 10:47:23pm

re: #210 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It’s called leveraging other people’s money.

Politicians are always happy to help, because they know it’s cheaper for rich folks to donate to a politician than it is to, say, pay to build a new arena.

213 teleskiguy  Jun 6, 2015 10:59:24pm

re: #211 Kragar

214 Kragar  Jun 6, 2015 11:01:29pm

re: #213 teleskiguy

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People who bought this also bought…

215 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 6, 2015 11:04:49pm

re: #212 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Politicians are always happy to help, because they know it’s cheaper for rich folks to donate to a politician than it is to, say, pay to build a new arena.

Arenas pander to every city leader’s fervent hope that his city will become the go-to place for a pro sports team and tourist dollars. Louisville’s city leaders had been craving an arena for a pro basketball team for decades, and finally they have one, in the downtown area of all places.

Still no pro team, though. The arena is struggling to bring in enough revenue to be a going concern. Without tax incentives, bonds and government support, no businessman in his right mind would build such a huge facility in a city the size of Louisville.

insiderlouisville.com

216 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 6, 2015 11:08:10pm
Amusingly, I did see this piece at the county fair today.
217 teleskiguy  Jun 6, 2015 11:08:20pm

re: #214 Kragar

Radium suppositories. Huh.

218 Kragar  Jun 6, 2015 11:12:00pm

re: #217 teleskiguy

Radium suppositories. Huh.

Order now and they’ll thrown in…

219 dell*nix  Jun 6, 2015 11:13:15pm

re: #198 TedStriker

Designed by a drunken foreman in an angle iron factory.

220 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 6, 2015 11:16:40pm

re: #218 Kragar

Order now and they’ll thrown in…

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And:

221 teleskiguy  Jun 6, 2015 11:18:56pm

re: #218 Kragar

Sign me up! It’s a local company too!

222 Kragar  Jun 6, 2015 11:22:56pm

re: #221 teleskiguy

Sign me up! It’s a local company too!

How can you not purchase something called a “Scrotal Radioendocrinator”?

223 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 6, 2015 11:25:25pm

re: #222 Kragar

How can you not purchase something called a “Scrotal Radioendocrinator”?

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Customers liked the glow-the-in-dark feature.

224 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 6, 2015 11:25:26pm

re: #222 Kragar

Nothing like putting it where it’s most useful.

225 Single-handed sailor  Jun 6, 2015 11:29:03pm

Shoe-Fitting Fluoroscope (ca. 1930-1940)

A little bit of knowledge can be dangerous. //

226 Single-handed sailor  Jun 6, 2015 11:31:44pm

re: #225 Single-handed sailor

A little bit of alcohol can make you fuck up the link the first time.

note to self : preview every damn time, idiot.

227 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 6, 2015 11:32:08pm

re: #226 Single-handed sailor

A little bit of alcohol can make you fuck up the link the first time.

note to self : preview every damn time, idiot.

Lies, that’s why the pencil exists.

228 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 6, 2015 11:32:18pm

We laugh at these radioactive products, but really most of them offered only a (usually low) probability of harm. That’s nothing like giving kids industrial bleach enemas and “treatments” with industrial chelators in order to “cure” autism. Oh, and chemical castration with Lupron—mustn’t forget that.

Today’s snake oil salesmen are much worse, and they have political clout—and the influence to get millions of people to avoid vaccines.

229 Single-handed sailor  Jun 6, 2015 11:32:51pm

re: #226 Single-handed sailor

and the second.

230 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 6, 2015 11:33:39pm

re: #225 Single-handed sailor

Shoe-Fitting Fluoroscope (ca. 1930-1940)

A little bit of knowledge can be dangerous. //

I still got my feet fluoroscoped at Buster Brown shoe stores in the late 50s to (very) early 60s.

231 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 6, 2015 11:34:21pm

re: #229 Single-handed sailor

and the second.

I was even nice and edited the quote for you. :)

232 Lancelot Link  Jun 6, 2015 11:43:19pm

re: #213 teleskiguy

At least (real) snake oil has some slight health benefits.

233 teleskiguy  Jun 6, 2015 11:44:48pm

So, this is how I advertise my religion on Facebook.

234 Single-handed sailor  Jun 6, 2015 11:47:06pm

Is anybody else watching the new Netflix series Sense8? I like it, but I don’t think it’s going to go over well in rural America.

PIMF

235 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 6, 2015 11:47:14pm

re: #228 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

We laugh at these radioactive products, but really most of them offered only a (usually low) probability of harm. That’s nothing like giving kids industrial bleach enemas and “treatments” with industrial chelators in order to “cure” autism. Oh, and chemical castration with Lupron—mustn’t forget that.

Today’s snake oil salesmen are much worse, and they have political clout—and the influence to get millions of people to avoid vaccines.

Radium emits alpha, beta and gamma radiation. Long-term exposure would not be recommended. en.wikipedia.org

From an NPR report about a former “Radium Girl,” who left the job because she didn’t like it. She died at 107 last year.

Other women weren’t so lucky. By the mid-1920s, dial painters were falling ill by the dozens, afflicted with horrific diseases. The radium they had swallowed was eating their bones from the inside.

“There was one woman who the dentist went to pull a tooth and he pulled her entire jaw out when he did it,” says Blum. “Their legs broke underneath them. Their spines collapsed.”

Dozens of women died. At a factory in New Jersey, the women sued the U.S. Radium Corp. for poisoning and won. Many of them ended up using the money to pay for their own funerals.

In all, by 1927, more than 50 women had died as a direct result of radium paint poisoning.

npr.org

236 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 6, 2015 11:56:12pm

re: #235 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Radium emits alpha, beta and gamma radiation. Long-term exposure would not be recommended. en.wikipedia.org

The amount of radium that could be sold at those kind of prices would provide very, very weak activity, and the thorium toothpaste even less. Plus for anything that’s in any kind of a container, thin foil can stop beta particles and paper can stop alphas. The only thing you’d need to worry about would be gamma rays, and they’d be very weak.

Now the radium dial-painters licking their brushes is a whole different thing.

237 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 7, 2015 12:09:48am

re: #236 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The amount of radium that could be sold at those kind of prices would provide very, very weak activity, and the thorium toothpaste even less. Plus for anything that’s in any kind of a container, thin foil can stop beta particles and paper can stop alphas. The only thing you’d need to worry about would be gamma rays, and they’d be very weak.

Now the radium dial-painters licking their brushes is a whole different thing.

Probably you’re right, but holding a radium emitter near your gonads for extended periods of time now seems very unwise. As for the radium suppositories and radium water, probably the radiation levels were only slightly above background radiation levels, but there was no paper or foil wrapping applied in such cases.

It’s with good reason these products were eventually banned.

238 Targetpractice  Jun 7, 2015 12:20:00am

Thing about radiation is it accumulates, particularly if ingested. Passing that radium emitter near my marbles probably won’t do much. But I wear it every day, even the low levels of radiation are going to build up. Sort of like how I could probably chug a glass of that radium water once and suffer no ill effects. But if I drank it every day, multiple times a day, then the radium is going to build-up in my system and eventually I’m going to drop dead from radiation poisoning, if I don’t end up a walking tumor first.

239 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 7, 2015 12:21:44am

Why Are Only Three Observant Sikh Men Serving In The U.S. Military?

NPR audio

Sikhs hope that the recent SCOTUS decision about women wearing hijab in the workplace will encourage the military to reverse a 30-year-old rule change forbidding facial hair and headgear.

Only the Army has granted waivers for Sikh men, and there are only three now on active duty.

240 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 7, 2015 12:25:28am

re: #238 Targetpractice

Thing about radiation is it accumulates, particularly if ingested. Passing that radium emitter near my marbles probably won’t do much. But I wear it every day, even the low levels of radiation are going to build up. Sort of like how I could probably chug a glass of that radium water once and suffer no ill effects. But if I drank it every day, multiple times a day, then the radium is going to build-up in my system and eventually I’m going to drop dead from radiation poisoning, if I don’t end up a walking tumor first.

There have been similar cases involving chronic colloidal silver ingestion. Too much will turn your skin grayish or bluish.

241 goddamnedfrank  Jun 7, 2015 12:26:08am

re: #238 Targetpractice

Thing about radiation is it accumulates, particularly if ingested. Passing that radium emitter near my marbles probably won’t do much. But I wear it every day, even the low levels of radiation are going to build up. Sort of like how I could probably chug a glass of that radium water once and suffer no ill effects. But if I drank it every day, multiple times a day, then the radium is going to build-up in my system and eventually I’m going to drop dead from radiation poisoning, if I don’t end up a walking tumor first.

That’s why I think those tritium glow in the dark keychain fobs are a bad idea. Bremsstrahlung radiation kicking out soft x-rays in your pocket, right by your boys, for hours every day.

242 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 7, 2015 12:31:42am

re: #238 Targetpractice

Thing about radiation is it accumulates, particularly if ingested. Passing that radium emitter near my marbles probably won’t do much. But I wear it every day, even the low levels of radiation are going to build up. Sort of like how I could probably chug a glass of that radium water once and suffer no ill effects. But if I drank it every day, multiple times a day, then the radium is going to build-up in my system and eventually I’m going to drop dead from radiation poisoning, if I don’t end up a walking tumor first.

Well, the radium water in particular—supposedly there’s a tiny amount of radium (or something) inside that capsule, but all that’s going to make it out are gamma rays. All they could do would be to break up and ionize a few water molecules. The atomic hydrogens and oxygens would immediately recombine, so all you’d have is a tiny, tiny bit of hydrogen gas, hydrogen peroxide and even less ozone in the water. Whether it would be detectable, much less noticeable, I don’t know.

You do want to avoid ingesting alpha-emitters, because they can penetrate the cell wall and cause damage, so the “radium” suppositories and thorium toothpaste would be a bad idea, all right. I’m just skeptical as to how much activity any of them would provide.

243 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 7, 2015 12:33:10am

Saturday night at LGF: discussing radiation exposure limits in old quack cures.

244 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 7, 2015 12:37:39am

re: #243 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Saturday night at LGF: discussing radiation exposure limits in old quack cures.

Well, in my case, it’s a rainy Sunday afternoon.

245 freetoken  Jun 7, 2015 12:37:55am
246 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 7, 2015 12:38:28am

re: #244 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Well, in my case, it’s a rainy Sunday afternoon.

True. You get a pass.

247 Pip's Squeak  Jun 7, 2015 12:48:24am

...

248 freetoken  Jun 7, 2015 12:49:10am

Next up, the enigmatic Glagolitic Mass:

Kyrie eleison
MP3 Audio

249 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 7, 2015 12:51:12am

carry a laser

250 Kragar  Jun 7, 2015 12:53:10am

re: #249 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

carry a laser

Lasers? How quaint…

251 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 7, 2015 12:54:34am

re: #246 klys (maker of Silmarils)

True. You get a pass.

THANKS!

252 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 7, 2015 12:56:12am

re: #251 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

So I am hearing from mr. klys that Japanese media is reporting that a memorial service was held for the ferry victims but none of the families were invited.

Yes/no?

253 Dr Lizardo  Jun 7, 2015 1:07:06am

re: #124 BeachDem

My favorite Reagan memory is what James Garner said about him:

Ronald Reagan wasn’t qualified to be governor, let alone president. I was a vice president of the Screen Actors Guild when he was its president. My duties consisted of attending meetings and voting. The only thing I remember is that Ronnie never had an original thought and that we had to tell him what to say. That’s no way to run a union, let along a state or a country.”

Loved me some James Garner. So sad he’s gone.

Garner is what he calls a “bleeding-heart liberal,” having participated in the 1963 civil rights March on Washington and later advocating for a number of progressive causes. He voted for Dwight D. Eisenhower in 1952, he writes, but never cast a ballot for a Republican again. He voted for Adlai Stevenson in 1956, and calls him “the most intelligent presidential candidate we’ve ever had. I think Obama runs a close second.”

variety.com

That’s the same thing my father once said about Stevenson: “The smartest man who ever ran for President. America would’ve been a hell of a great place if he’d won.”

254 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 7, 2015 1:07:18am

re: #252 klys (maker of Silmarils)

So I am hearing from mr. klys that Japanese media is reporting that a memorial service was held for the ferry victims but none of the families were invited.

Yes/no?

Let me check.

255 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 7, 2015 1:12:16am

re: #138 ObserverArt

It almost seems like the word ‘rape’ is under attack. Like if you fight over the actual meaning and say the whole issues is so muddled the word becomes an eye-roller type word.

“Rape” is an emotionally charged word. The legal definition is simply “sex without consent”.

Whether consent is not given because of force or, threats, or because the victim is too young or too inebriated to be in a position to grant consent, is irrelevant to the charge itself.

256 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 7, 2015 1:17:35am

re: #252 klys (maker of Silmarils)

So I am hearing from mr. klys that Japanese media is reporting that a memorial service was held for the ferry victims but none of the families were invited.

Yes/no?

The San Diego U-T has this report that says family members were taken to a place upriver, and not within sight of the ship, for a memorial service.
utsandiego.com

257 Nyet  Jun 7, 2015 1:23:07am

re: #77 Kragar

Many people who are (called) liberals in Russia have surprisingly right-wing views compared to the US/Europe.

258 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 7, 2015 1:32:57am

re: #257 Nyet

Many people who are (called) liberals in Russia have surprisingly right-wing views compared to the US/Europe.

remember that “left” and “right” is an arbitrary designation based on the seating arrangements of the French Parliament. There is no absolute definition.

And between the rather stodgy and prude Soviet “morals” and those of the dominant Orthodox Church, Russian society’s views of women’s and LGBT rights are rather socially backwards when compared to much of the West (with the exception of the US Midwest and South)

259 Nyet  Jun 7, 2015 1:35:51am

re: #258 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

True. The later Soviet regime was a socially right-wing regime, despite all the external pretense of gender or racial equality.

260 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 7, 2015 1:38:32am

re: #259 Nyet

True. The later Soviet regime was a socially right-wing regime, despite all the external pretense of gender or racial equality.

The only “equality” they promoted was that women were expected to work full-time alongside their husbands.

261 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 7, 2015 1:46:58am

re: #259 Nyet

True. The later Soviet regime was a socially right-wing regime, despite all the external pretense of gender or racial equality.

The same can be said of present-day China. Social change here will take another generation (maybe two) to catch up to present-day Western standards. Much of the glacial progress results from China’s strong traditional culture, but of course the leaders in power, who are largely middle-aged men, encourage following the “old ways” to maintain the social stability they crave.

262 electrotek  Jun 7, 2015 2:04:59am

Okay so I get on Facebook and somehow I stumbled upon this: how does Pamela Geller have 159,000 “likes” on there?

263 Single-handed sailor  Jun 7, 2015 2:14:17am

re: #262 electrotek

There are millions and millions of idiots in America, that’s the true Bell Curve story.

264 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 7, 2015 3:14:44am

re: #263 Single-handed sailor

There are millions and millions of idiots in America, that’s the true Bell Curve story.

I sometimes wonder if it isn’t a normal distribution, but one that’s weighted toward the low end (the stupid side).

265 Justanotherhuman  Jun 7, 2015 3:22:14am

re: #264 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I sometimes wonder if it isn’t a normal distribution, but one that’s weighted toward the low end (the stupid side).

Well, it does take some effort to learn new things. : )

266 Nyet  Jun 7, 2015 3:46:49am

This is fucking brilliant.

Yiddish metal.

267 Justanotherhuman  Jun 7, 2015 4:09:22am

So fed up with real estate agents who are dumber than shit or just don’t want to bother. Luckily, I’ve been through the house buying process a few times. I kept getting “I don’t know”s for the very questions an agent for the house owner should know. How old is the HVAC? When was then roof replaced? Lots of structural “don’t knows” and emphasizing the draw of the cosmetics, not the stuff that will cost money to fix or replace. Always get an inspection, but go with and behind the inspector, too. Sometimes they don’t do a very good job, either, as I found out with my second house.

Those agents don’t get why they’re not selling houses. They think the internet will do it for them and people will do all their own research, or that the customer is dumber than shit. Then they want to collect that 6% commission for doing minimal work.

268 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 7, 2015 4:11:02am

re: #262 electrotek

Okay so I get on Facebook and somehow I stumbled upon this: how does Pamela Geller have 159,000 “likes” on there?

“And the perverted fear of violence
Chokes the smile on every face
And common sense is ringing out the bell
This ain’t no technological breakdown
Oh no, this is the road to hell”

—Chris Rea-The Road to Hell

269 Justanotherhuman  Jun 7, 2015 4:16:03am

Sorry to sound so gripey this am. I’m actually pretty happy otherwise. : )

But, sheeeesh!

270 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 7, 2015 4:20:01am

re: #269 Justanotherhuman

Sorry to sound so gripey this am. I’m actually pretty happy otherwise. : )

But, sheeeesh!

When I sold real estate—36,7,8 years ago—we had to make sure we knew all the problems that might exist with a property, and get a signed statement from the buyers that we’d informed them of them. If not, it could bite us on the ass. Hard.

271 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 7, 2015 4:32:11am

re: #267 Justanotherhuman

So fed up with real estate agents who are dumber than shit or just don’t want to bother. Luckily, I’ve been through the house buying process a few times. I kept getting “I don’t know”s for the very questions an agent for the house owner should know. How old is the HVAC? When was then roof replaced? Lots of structural “don’t knows” and emphasizing the draw of the cosmetics, not the stuff that will cost money to fix or replace. Always get an inspection, but go with and behind the inspector, too. Sometimes they don’t do a very good job, either, as I found out with my second house.

Those agents don’t get why they’re not selling houses. They think the internet will do it for them and people will do all their own research, or that the customer is dumber than shit. Then they want to collect that 6% commission for doing minimal work.

A fundamental law of sales is to “know thy product.” Telling a prospective buyer that you don’t know about some aspect of the product does not instill confidence in you or the product.

272 Timothy Watson  Jun 7, 2015 4:34:47am

re: #270 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Nowadays, saying “I don’t know” is a better answer, legally.

273 Justanotherhuman  Jun 7, 2015 4:35:42am

re: #270 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

When I sold real estate—36,7,8 years ago—we had to make sure we knew all the problems that might exist with a property, and get a signed statement from the buyers that we’d informed them of them. If not, it could bite us on the ass. Hard.

Yeah, I bought my first house 38 yrs ago and the agent was great. I noticed a bit of difference between her and the second one (a guy) when I bought the second house 14 yrs later. I’ve been doing a lot of research on my own and can pretty much spot potential future problems, but you do need to know the age of mechanicals, any renos, etc unless the property is advertised “as is”. Even the permits at the county office aren’t always right, either. Not only was there water damage to roof rafters in the last house (I didn’t go into the attic myself but depended on the “inspector”), there was a leak in one of the bathrooms going into the cellar, which I threatened with a lawsuit if it wasn’t fixed. They fixed that because it was a sanitary issue, but not the rafters. I was told by a lawyer that there was nothing I could do about that one. It’s always a “caveat emptor” situation.

So believe me, knowing what you’re looking for as far as defects is pretty much the buyer’s responsibility anymore and it helps to have as much knowledge as possible about what to look for because good luck in proving the defect was there when you bought it.

274 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 7, 2015 4:41:01am

re: #273 Justanotherhuman

If you live in a flood-prone area, be suspicious of any house with a recently renovated cellar…

275 prairiefire  Jun 7, 2015 4:42:31am

People around here rely on the house inspections done prior to closing to get the real skinny. But, how old the roof and heating systems are, come on.

276 Justanotherhuman  Jun 7, 2015 5:00:17am

re: #275 prairiefire

Those are huge expenses, running into the thousands. Many newbies are “house poor” after spending all that money getting into a house and not prepared for those kinds of expenses.

Imagine having to replace both at the same time. Inspectors, esp those recommended by a RE agent, aren’t always the most objective.

277 Justanotherhuman  Jun 7, 2015 5:03:02am

re: #274 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Until you get into hilly areas or the mountains (around here, at least), you don’t find too many basements. Most houses built with crawl spaces, and the newer developments on slabs (ugh),

278 Justanotherhuman  Jun 7, 2015 5:06:41am

G7: European Council President Donald Tusk says Russia won’t be invited to G8 ‘as long as it behaves aggressively towards Ukraine and others’ - @Reuters
end of alert

279 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 7, 2015 5:13:20am

re: #277 Justanotherhuman

Until you get into hilly areas or the mountains (around here, at least), you don’t find too many basements. Most houses built with crawl spaces, and the newer developments on slabs (ugh),

Where I grew up in NW Indiana, flooding is a major issue, lots of it is low-lying glacial morraine.

280 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 7, 2015 5:24:26am
281 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 7, 2015 5:28:59am

heh:

It is hard to describe just how bad things are for the Republican Party. Each day it looks more and more like the Bates Motel from Alfred Hitchcock’s classic film Psycho.

More precisely, the GOP is actually most like the central character who owns the motel: Norman Bates and his alter ego, “Mother,” a.k.a. Norma. Norman appears to be a polite, sincere young man, if strongly dominated by Mother. But so what if he’s idiosyncratic, even eccentric, with a mother fixation? As a private individual, he has the right to be odd.

Mother, meanwhile, wants absolute control over her son. She prefers the status quo — just like the GOP establishment. Consider the senior GOP leadership’s embrace of the National Security Agency’s enveloping surveillance activities. Mother is always spying on Norman. And Norman, when in the grip of his alter-ego, spies on private citizens.

The real Norman is akin to the Tea Party. As played by Tony Perkins, Norman is peaceful, an individualist if a bit naïve. He just wants to be left alone.

So much more at the link.

282 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 7, 2015 5:32:51am

re: #281 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh:

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So much more at the link.

The point is that they not only accept but glamorize some seriously extreme behavior and points of view.

283 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 7, 2015 5:41:18am
284 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 7, 2015 6:06:18am

re: #101 HappyWarrior

Late comment, but thanks for that. Posted to FB, Twitter.

285 Romantic Heretic  Jun 7, 2015 6:09:33am

re: #207 Kragar

If sports arenas are such guaranteed money makers, why do leagues need taxpayer funds to subsidize their construction?

Because one of the best ways to get rich is to use other people’s money, never risk your own and collect the profits of the enterprise.

Taxpayers are best for this grift as politicians are rarely savvy business people and often hidebound ideologically.

286 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 7, 2015 6:10:32am

Good morning Lizards!

So this is sort of a meta question, perfect for reflection on a Sunday morning, I think.

When you’ve slept or gone and done something in the meatspace world, and you come back to your computer and see 2-3 new threads, each with 200+ comments on them, how do you approach reading them?

a) ignore the previous threads and begin with the newest thread at the top of comments.
b) start at the last thread you missed and work your way up to the latest one.
c) ignore the previous threads and begin with the newest thread at the bottom of comments.
d) some other approach entirely.

I admit, I woke up this morning, got to about 100+ comments, and wanted to just jump to the bottom and see what the most recent topic was, but I’m afraid I’ll miss something.

Anyway, just some coffee cup musings.

287 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 7, 2015 6:11:01am

Good Morning Lizardia!

Today is Challah Day!

I also found that my sourdough starter starved to death so I have to make up a new batch. :(

288 Lord Of The Pies  Jun 7, 2015 6:12:15am

WTFITS==>

289 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 7, 2015 6:12:32am

re: #286 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

b
Even though sometimes it takes a long time.
Like you, I don’t want to miss something.

290 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 7, 2015 6:14:29am

re: #288 Lord Of The Pies

What is he talking about? What happened June 4?

291 Romantic Heretic  Jun 7, 2015 6:16:49am

re: #239 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Why Are Only Three Observant Sikh Men Serving In The U.S. Military?

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Sikhs hope that the recent SCOTUS decision about women wearing hijab in the workplace will encourage the military to reverse a 30-year-old rule change forbidding facial hair and headgear.

Only the Army has granted waivers for Sikh men, and there are only three now on active duty.

What?! The Sikhs, along with the Gurkhas, were among the best soldiers in the British Army!

Oi, racism never really lets go, does it?

292 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 7, 2015 6:17:15am

re: #286 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

a, unless I have a lot of time on my hands. Then I will work my way downstairs. Usually, I’m sleeping while Charles puts up 2-3 new posts, so I always have to play catch up.

293 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 7, 2015 6:18:35am

re: #288 Lord Of The Pies

WTFITS==>

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Apparently is has to do with the US Embassy in Jakarta.
jakarta.usembassy.gov

JihadWatch, Jim Hoft and the like just found out about it.

294 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 7, 2015 6:18:51am

re: #291 Romantic Heretic

What?! The Sikhs, along with the Gurkhas, were among the best soldiers in the British Army!

Oi, racism never really lets go, does it?

If you visit the NPR link, you’ll see a photo of the three in camo, turbans included.

295 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 7, 2015 6:19:56am

I wonder if there would be a way to do a poll on that question in a page, or Charles could do a post on the FP about it? I’m always afraid I’ll miss some of the educational opportunities in previous posts (WWII, hobbies, history, computer stuff, etc - yes, even the gun pr0n).

Just curious what the rest of Lizard Nation does. :)

296 Romantic Heretic  Jun 7, 2015 6:22:32am

re: #255 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Don’t know if this has been posted here, but it does an excellent and funny job of defining consent.

<iframe src=”Vimeo” width=”500” height=”281” frameborder=”0” webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen allowfullscreen></iframe> Tea and Consent (Clean) from Blue Seat Studios on Vimeo.

Sorry, can’t figure out how to get just the video to show up. The link clicks through though.

297 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 7, 2015 6:22:50am

re: #291 Romantic Heretic

What?! The Sikhs, along with the Gurkhas, were among the best soldiers in the British Army!

Oi, racism never really lets go, does it?

“Sikh men are currently allowed to serve with beards and turbans in the military services in Canada, the United Kingdom and India, among other countries, and they were permitted in the U.S. military until the early 1980s, when the policy was changed.”
Hmmm. Who was president then? Probably more afraid of those dirty hippies than the Sikhs.

298 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 7, 2015 6:24:51am

re: #294 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

If you visit the NPR link, you’ll see a photo of the three in camo, turbans included.

I think the turbans look a damn site better than some of the hats/caps the regular military wears (I’m not going to say what my step-father called his side cap!)

299 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 7, 2015 6:25:07am

re: #288 Lord Of The Pies

re: #293 Backwoods_Sleuth

So it wasn’t Obama per se, but our ambassador to Indonesia who probably moved the date, perhaps in consultation with State.

And there is likely precedent for such a move. Besides, it doesn’t prevent embassy staff from celebrating July 4th in house. A June celebration would permit Muslim guests to partake of refreshments, etc. You know, for diplomatic reasons and all.

300 ObserverArt  Jun 7, 2015 6:25:39am

Morning…

So, I turn on the TV and the French Open is on. I really don’t care, but what is up with Stan Wawrinka’s tennis outfit?

I know at one time is was very much ‘tennis whites’ and that has changed to colors. But in this case, we are getting close to classic boxer short underwear…with color coordinated shoes.

I haven’t watched any tennis lately. I see corporate logos are also creeping onto the clothing too. One step away from a race driver’s suit.

Ah…sponsorship. Where would we be without it?

301 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 7, 2015 6:29:22am

re: #300 ObserverArt

I see corporate logos are also creeping onto the clothing too. One step away from a race driver’s suit.

More like a soccer uniform. I hear rumor that the NBA is looking for a way to put an advertisement on the front of their jerseys soon.

302 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 7, 2015 6:30:07am

re: #286 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Good morning Lizards!

So this is sort of a meta question, perfect for reflection on a Sunday morning, I think.

When you’ve slept or gone and done something in the meatspace world, and you come back to your computer and see 2-3 new threads, each with 200+ comments on them, how do you approach reading them?

a) ignore the previous threads and begin with the newest thread at the top of comments.
b) start at the last thread you missed and work your way up to the latest one.
c) ignore the previous threads and begin with the newest thread at the bottom of comments.
d) some other approach entirely.

I admit, I woke up this morning, got to about 100+ comments, and wanted to just jump to the bottom and see what the most recent topic was, but I’m afraid I’ll miss something.

Anyway, just some coffee cup musings.

B). Just obsessive-compulsive, I guess. Then I’m current just in time for the day’s postings to start petering out.

303 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 7, 2015 6:33:21am

re: #290 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

What is he talking about? What happened June 4?

From That 70s Show:

Kelso: “….And I’ve had some really bad ideas. I mean, a firecracker suit? What was that?”

Hyde: “Best 4th of June ever, is what!”

304 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 7, 2015 6:33:41am

re: #299 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

So it wasn’t Obama per se, but our ambassador to Indonesia who probably moved the date, perhaps in consultation with State.

And there is likely precedent for such a move. Besides, it doesn’t prevent embassy staff from celebrating July 4th in house. A June celebration would permit Muslim guests to partake of refreshments, etc. You know, for diplomatic reasons and all.

Judging from this chart Image: Ramadan100years1938-2037.png

the last time July 4th fell within Ramadan was the early 1980s. So, I wonder how the Saint Ronnie administration handled this issue.

305 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 7, 2015 6:37:57am

re: #267 Justanotherhuman

So fed up with real estate agents who are dumber than shit or just don’t want to bother. Luckily, I’ve been through the house buying process a few times. I kept getting “I don’t know”s for the very questions an agent for the house owner should know. How old is the HVAC? When was then roof replaced? Lots of structural “don’t knows” and emphasizing the draw of the cosmetics, not the stuff that will cost money to fix or replace. Always get an inspection, but go with and behind the inspector, too. Sometimes they don’t do a very good job, either, as I found out with my second house.

Those agents don’t get why they’re not selling houses. They think the internet will do it for them and people will do all their own research, or that the customer is dumber than shit. Then they want to collect that 6% commission for doing minimal work.

Unfortunately they act that way because it works. “Reality” shows out there showing how you can spend <$1000 to spruce up your house and make it more showable - and it’s all neatening, not leaving empty rooms, and putting in cosmetic crap. Nothing about the real value of the place; e.g. structural status and age/condition of the facilities.

306 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 7, 2015 6:43:39am

re: #286 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Good morning Lizards!

So this is sort of a meta question, perfect for reflection on a Sunday morning, I think.

When you’ve slept or gone and done something in the meatspace world, and you come back to your computer and see 2-3 new threads, each with 200+ comments on them, how do you approach reading them?

a) ignore the previous threads and begin with the newest thread at the top of comments.
b) start at the last thread you missed and work your way up to the latest one.
c) ignore the previous threads and begin with the newest thread at the bottom of comments.
d) some other approach entirely.

I admit, I woke up this morning, got to about 100+ comments, and wanted to just jump to the bottom and see what the most recent topic was, but I’m afraid I’ll miss something.

Anyway, just some coffee cup musings.

It depends. :)

This morning I just picked up where I left off reading last night.

Some days I skip to the newest thread and try to read it from the beginning in order to catch up on the tone. It might also depend on the subject matter. For instance, if the main discussion topic is the latest antics of Upchuck I’ll skip to the most recent stuff.

307 Decatur Deb  Jun 7, 2015 6:43:41am

re: #297 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

“Sikh men are currently allowed to serve with beards and turbans in the military services in Canada, the United Kingdom and India, among other countries, and they were permitted in the U.S. military until the early 1980s, when the policy was changed.”
Hmmm. Who was president then? Probably more afraid of those dirty hippies than the Sikhs.

Not going with discrimination on this. In the early ’80s the military got very serious about NBC warfare, and the MOPP protective gear, based on the M17 mask, would not seal on a beard. A civilian in our shop had to shave a 20-year beard to make an excursion to the incinerator on Johnston Island.

In 1965 I was in A PX, and saw a soldier with hair half-way down his back—definitely not the style then. When he turned around I learned about the exception for Apache Scouts.

308 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 7, 2015 6:46:27am

re: #301 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

More like a soccer uniform. I hear rumor that the NBA is looking for a way to put an advertisement on the front of their jerseys soon.

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The corporations should start just naming the teams after the corporation rather than the host city. Sames time if/when they start skipping around to get better stadium deals. And also gets us one step closer to Rollerball.

309 Decatur Deb  Jun 7, 2015 6:50:17am

re: #308 Feline Fearless Leader

The corporations should start just naming the teams after the corporation rather than the host city. Sames time if/when they start skipping around to get better stadium deals. And also gets us one step closer to Rollerball.

The Steelers would never do that.

310 ninja cat  Jun 7, 2015 6:51:46am

re: #286 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

b I mainly lurk and read because I’m always playing catch up. During the work week, it seems I’m always 500+ posts behind. But, it’s always a good read, so I don’t mind.

311 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 7, 2015 6:53:03am
Corn Palace in Mitchell

More 1971 stuff.

312 Decatur Deb  Jun 7, 2015 6:53:47am

re: #310 ninja cat

I spend way too much time here, and I can’t keep up. Usually I go for that new thread smell, unless something hot played overnight.

313 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 7, 2015 7:05:32am

A follow-up on the real estate thing. When I sold my house near Pittsburgh in 2007-08 it initially sat on the market for an extended period of time. And I also put $4-5,000 into fixing issues and items as required by changes in code since I had purchased it. Electrical, patio doors, etc. And also some re-painting in the basement since work had been done there to deal with a seepage issue.*

The contract with the first agent eventually timed out. So I went with a second agent who put the place up “as is” and it was sold within 2 months.

So part of the issue is the agents. The second agent was a middle-aged woman with a large practice and a reputation for high sales figures. And when initially consulted when the whole thing started recommended putting the place up “as is” and at a figure close to what it eventually sold for. So she obviously knew the local market better than the more optimistic first agent.

* - House was on a slope. So water during heavy rain would accumulate against the uphill side of the foundation and then seep through. Mainly due to the 40-year-old drainage pipes on the front of the house being clogged/broken. I’d shifted things to move water away from the house, but there was still a minor issue. And I think in these older houses there was not yet a standard for putting in decent amounts of gravel around foundations to help with drainage.

314 Justanotherhuman  Jun 7, 2015 7:12:25am

re: #301 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

More like a soccer uniform. I hear rumor that the NBA is looking for a way to put an advertisement on the front of their jerseys soon.

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Is Rollerball almost here?

315 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 7, 2015 7:17:07am

The Banff “money” shot.

Mount Rundle across Vermilion Lake

en.wikipedia.org

316 Timothy Watson  Jun 7, 2015 7:18:11am

re: #286 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Good morning Lizards!

So this is sort of a meta question, perfect for reflection on a Sunday morning, I think.

When you’ve slept or gone and done something in the meatspace world, and you come back to your computer and see 2-3 new threads, each with 200+ comments on them, how do you approach reading them?

a) ignore the previous threads and begin with the newest thread at the top of comments.
b) start at the last thread you missed and work your way up to the latest one.
c) ignore the previous threads and begin with the newest thread at the bottom of comments.
d) some other approach entirely.

I admit, I woke up this morning, got to about 100+ comments, and wanted to just jump to the bottom and see what the most recent topic was, but I’m afraid I’ll miss something.

Anyway, just some coffee cup musings.

a) this morning, but I was tempted to comment on something upthread but the topic seemed to have drifted pretty far away from that by the time I got on.

317 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 7, 2015 7:18:35am

re: #314 Justanotherhuman

Is Rollerball almost here?

The Mad Magazine satire of Rollerball had the other sports dying out due to their seasons getting longer and longer and overlapping so much they all collapsed. So maybe it is closer than we realize.

318 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 7, 2015 7:19:11am

re: #301 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

More like a soccer uniform. I hear rumor that the NBA is looking for a way to put an advertisement on the front of their jerseys soon.

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Belmont Stakes Allowing Sponsors To Brand Logos Onto Side Of Race Horses

319 Justanotherhuman  Jun 7, 2015 7:23:31am

re: #318 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Capitalism, like communism, eventually ruins everything.

320 Justanotherhuman  Jun 7, 2015 7:26:15am

One of the worst of the worst—with insanely rich rulers.

Saudi Arabia’s Supreme Court upholds verdict against liberal blogger Raif Badawi flogged for insulting Islam - @AP

321 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 7, 2015 7:26:29am
322 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 7, 2015 7:39:16am

re: #319 Justanotherhuman

Capitalism, like communism, eventually ruins everything.

True, but link goes to The Onion.

323 Iwouldprefernotto  Jun 7, 2015 7:44:36am

re: #322 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

True, but link goes to The Onion.

The Onion is like bacon it makes everything better.

324 JadeHelmCurious  Jun 7, 2015 7:45:55am

So this is going down now:
Ferguson Police Department from interim chief’s point of view

We got a lot of negative notoriety and it all stemmed from Michael Brown’s body having to [lie] on the parking lot for 41/2 hours. The reason he was there for so long was because of hostile fire against our officers. We could not get to Michael Brown’s body.

Twitter is most predictably erupting:

A pretty outrageous situation that doesn’t seem to get any better.

325 retired cynic  Jun 7, 2015 7:46:52am

re: #324 BigPapa

Stupid, stupid, stupid!!!

326 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 7, 2015 7:50:54am

re: #324 BigPapa

So this is going down now:
Ferguson Police Department from interim chief’s point of view
We got a lot of negative notoriety and it all stemmed from Michael Brown’s body having to [lie] on the parking lot for 41/2 hours. The reason he was there for so long was because of hostile fire against our officers. We could not get to Michael Brown’s body.

A pretty outrageous situation that doesn’t seem to get any better.

It’s almost like the whole situation wasn’t filmed and reported on by journalists and citizens with cell phones.

327 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 7, 2015 7:54:26am

re: #324 BigPapa

So this is going down now:
Ferguson Police Department from interim chief’s point of view

Twitter is most predictably erupting:

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A pretty outrageous situation that doesn’t seem to get any better.

Looks like they are going to develop a bunker mentality, try to ride things out while lying, justifying, and blaming external agencies. And in the end change nothing in their behavior patterns or practices. And the local electorate will probably fail to turn them out.

Not to mention that the St Louis County (?) force needs a serious reworking as well.

328 darthstar  Jun 7, 2015 7:56:32am

re: #309 Decatur Deb

The Steelers would never do that.

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I think the Pittsburg Chik-Fil-A has a nice ring to it.

329 JadeHelmCurious  Jun 7, 2015 8:01:51am

Silverman would make an excellent full time satirist.

330 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 7, 2015 8:17:07am

From Ed Brayton on today’s 50th anniversary of Griswold vs. Connecticut:

Happy Access to Birth Control Day

The inimitable (who would want to imitate him?) Bob Bork on the decision:

Every clash between a minority claiming freedom and a majority claiming power to regulate involves a choice between the gratification of the two groups…why is sexual gratification more worthy than moral gratification?…

No activity that society thinks immoral is victimless. Knowledge that an activity is taking place is a harm to those who find it profoundly immoral….

Unless we can distinguish forms of gratification, the only course for a principled court is to let the majority have its way in both cases. It is clear that the court cannot make the necessary distinction. There is no principled way to decide that one man’s gratifications are more deserving of respect than another’s or that one form of gratification is more worthy than another.

(Emphasis mine)

331 Nyet  Jun 7, 2015 8:18:10am
…HIV should be treated as a public health issue not as a criminal one. Legally requiring disclosure privileges the lives of White people not living with HIV over Black people who are living with HIV.

Really? Requiring to tell a prospective sexual parter about HIV status is about “white privilege”? Wow.

via the f’n nation

332 ObserverArt  Jun 7, 2015 8:19:06am

Ferguson…Ferguson…Ferguson.

Sigh.

333 #FergusonFireside  Jun 7, 2015 8:21:02am

re: #324 BigPapa

So this is going down now:
Ferguson Police Department from interim chief’s point of view

Twitter is most predictably erupting:

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A pretty outrageous situation that doesn’t seem to get any better.

Mike Brown’s body laid in the street for 4.5 hours because of hostile fire?

What a load.

334 Decatur Deb  Jun 7, 2015 8:23:08am

re: #333 #FergusonFireside

The Mike Brown’s body laid in the street for 4.5 hours because of hostile fire?

What a load.

Well, there was concern about the possible chance of hostile fire someday. These people lack the courage required to be an effective cop. Must not be on the test.

335 Decatur Deb  Jun 7, 2015 8:25:39am

re: #330 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

From Ed Brayton on today’s 50th anniversary of Griswold vs. Connecticut:

Happy Access to Birth Control Day

The inimitable (who would want to imitate him?) Bob Bork on the decision:

(Emphasis mine)

That’s the best apologia ever for dropping virgins down a volcano.

336 b_sharp  Jun 7, 2015 8:27:42am

re: #331 Nyet

…HIV should be treated as a public health issue not as a criminal one. Legally requiring disclosure privileges the lives of White people not living with HIV over Black people who are living with HIV.

Really? Requiring to tell a prospective sexual parter about HIV status is about “white privilege”? Wow.

via the f’n nation

Why the addition of races in that comment by the OP? I’d think there would be a point if the words ‘white’ & ‘black’ were not used, nonsensical as it would be, but adding the race kills any argument it may have had.

Some health issues are simply also legal issues.

337 HappyWarrior  Jun 7, 2015 8:27:50am

re: #329 BigPapa

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Silverman would make an excellent full time satirist.

She also accused people criticizing the Duggars of hating on the military too. I think she was drunk when she posted that screed.

338 darthstar  Jun 7, 2015 8:28:20am
339 HappyWarrior  Jun 7, 2015 8:29:31am

re: #331 Nyet

Really? Requiring to tell a prospective sexual parter about HIV status is about “white privilege”? Wow.

via the f’n nation

Yeah that’s a lot of crap from The Nation. Disclosure helps people of all races. White privilege is a thing but The Nation looks really silly and over the top posing stuff like that.

340 ObserverArt  Jun 7, 2015 8:31:02am

You know, I was just making a long rant about Ferguson, and I just wiped it out. I don’t think it would be taken well.

So, I am going to condense it to this:

At least in the past era of racism people were up front about their hatred. You knew where they stood.

Today, they dance, they deceive, they don’t have the guts to admit it. They are slime.

341 Nyet  Jun 7, 2015 8:32:53am

re: #336 b_sharp

Why the addition of races in that comment by the OP? I’d think there would be a point if the words ‘white’ & ‘black’ were not used, nonsensical as it would be, but adding the race kills any argument it may have had.

Some health issues are simply also legal issues.

To add some context, this was a letter signed by 89 sociopaths sent to a guy who was convicted for infecting a gay lover with HIV without telling him about the status: musedmagonline. com/2015/05/89-black-gay-men-pen-letter-michael-tiger-mandingo-johnson-freeblackgaymen/

These sociopaths also write:

We do not care about whether or not you disclosed, or any intention you may or may not have had.

Which is why I am calling them sociopaths.
HIV status is basically a part of consent.

342 Nyet  Jun 7, 2015 8:33:41am

re: #339 HappyWarrior

The Putin-loving rag is just quoting (although supportively) some other assholes.

343 HappyWarrior  Jun 7, 2015 8:34:25am

re: #342 Nyet

The Putin-loving rag is just quoting (although also supporting) some other assholes.

Well they look silly giving it substance in that case.

344 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 7, 2015 8:35:52am
345 Nyet  Jun 7, 2015 8:36:53am

re: #343 HappyWarrior

They, and all who are retweeting this crap.

346 b_sharp  Jun 7, 2015 8:37:40am

re: #341 Nyet

To add some context, this was a letter signed by 60 sociopaths sent to a guy who was convicted for infecting a gay lover with HIV without telling him about the status.
musedmagonline. com/2015/05/89-black-gay-men-pen-letter-michael-tiger-mandingo-johnson-freeblackgaymen/
These sociopaths also write:

Which is why I am calling them sociopaths.
HIV status is basically a part of consent.

That’s a very good point. Too bad they didn’t think of it.

347 electrotek  Jun 7, 2015 8:38:09am

re: #262 electrotek

Not just in America, but throughout the world too. Let’s not assume majority of her fans are in America. There are plenty of fans of her that reside in Europe obviously but also in South America and the Asia-Pacific too. I’m sure she would receive widespread acclaim in her honour had she made a visit to Burma to support Wirathu since he uses the same talking points about Muslims that she does.

348 Great White Snark  Jun 7, 2015 8:38:12am

re: #333 #FergusonFireside

The Mike Brown’s body laid in the street for 4.5 hours because of hostile fire?

What a load.

Here is what kills me!
Lying about an investigation is still not a firing offense.

349 whitebeach  Jun 7, 2015 8:39:03am

Fuck a buncha worry and calamity. The Tigers beat the Ragin Cajuns last night on a walkoff, and they play again tonight and maybe even tomorrow. Then one of em goes to the CWS. These are the best of times. Ever.

350 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 7, 2015 8:40:07am

re: #344 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Your dad picked Sarah Palin. The end. twitter.com

And her dad would never have heard of Sarah Palin if it weren’t for Bloody Bill Kristol, who is still getting paid by the lie-brul lamestream media to pontificate about shit….

351 HappyWarrior  Jun 7, 2015 8:48:06am

re: #350 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

And her dad would never have heard of Sarah Palin if it weren’t for Bloody Bill Kristol, who is still getting paid by the lie-brul lamestream media to pontificate about shit….

Leave McCain alone, he was just afraid if he didn’t pick Palin, James Dobson would say mean things about him.

352 CuriousLurker  Jun 7, 2015 8:54:15am

Our pals, the Saudis:

353 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 7, 2015 8:56:20am

re: #351 HappyWarrior

Leave McCain alone, he was just afraid if he didn’t pick Palin, James Dobson would say mean things about him.

If he had gone with Joe Liebermann, the entire Christian fundamentalist wing would have abandoned him and run a third-party candidate.

354 Decatur Deb  Jun 7, 2015 8:56:57am

re: #353 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

If he had gone with Joe Liebermann, the entire Christian fundamentalist wing would have abandoned him and run a third-party candidate.

In that case, Obama would have won.

355 Nyet  Jun 7, 2015 8:57:16am

re: #352 CuriousLurker

SA is basically a slightly more chill ISIS that has already gained the power.
Otherwise their religious interpretations and their practical implementation (up to destroying historical monuments for fear of “polytheism”) seem to be mirror images of each other.

356 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 7, 2015 8:57:45am

re: #352 CuriousLurker

Our pals, the Saudis:

Part of America’s twisted view of Islam is that we view the Saudis as “moderates” because they are our political and economic allies.

They forget the 1973 oil embargo, the regime’s support for Wahabism and the fact that Bin Laden and 15 of the 19 9/11 terrorists were Saudis.

357 HappyWarrior  Jun 7, 2015 8:58:48am

re: #353 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

If he had gone with Joe Liebermann, the entire Christian fundamentalist wing would have abandoned him and run a third-party candidate.

It’s not like he had to absolutely pick her. I get that Lieberman would have ensured a riot but I don’t buy that there weren’t other viable candidates for the job.

358 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 7, 2015 8:58:56am

re: #354 Decatur Deb

In that case, Obama would have won by an even bigger margin.

359 HappyWarrior  Jun 7, 2015 8:59:55am

re: #354 Decatur Deb

In that case, Obama would have won.

I think he was winning either way. My problem with the Palin pick was that it was a cynical move and one that his staff obviously didn’t research. If they had, they would have found out that this woman really wasn’t cut to be governor of Alaska let alone VP of the whole US.

360 Decatur Deb  Jun 7, 2015 9:00:06am

re: #358 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Might have gone on to a second term.

361 HappyWarrior  Jun 7, 2015 9:00:46am

I just don’t buy that it was Lieberman or Palin. You often see five names or so that are heavily vetted. I don’t know who else McCAin considered but he could have picked someone not batshit insane that had appeal to the base.

362 Great White Snark  Jun 7, 2015 9:00:59am

re: #352 CuriousLurker

Our pals, the Saudis:

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Morally inconsistent with being the home country and caretaker of Mecca. Just my secular take on it. Those religious leaders who find their way to be so weak as to commit violence over mere words simply do not understand faith.

363 Decatur Deb  Jun 7, 2015 9:01:17am

re: #361 HappyWarrior

I just don’t buy that it was Lieberman or Palin. You often see five names or so that are heavily vetted. I don’t know who else McCAin considered but he could have picked someone not batshit insane that had appeal to the base.

I blame Bush.

364 HappyWarrior  Jun 7, 2015 9:01:52am

re: #363 Decatur Deb

I blame Bush.

Yes, he started the craze of out there VP picks with Quayle.

365 Nyet  Jun 7, 2015 9:02:22am

re: #362 Great White Snark

Did the Bible’s authors understand faith? ;)

366 Nyet  Jun 7, 2015 9:04:45am

Coupla photos from Kiev’s gay pride:
meduza.io

367 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 7, 2015 9:06:15am

re: #359 HappyWarrior

I think he was winning either way. My problem with the Palin pick was that it was a cynical move and one that his staff obviously didn’t research. If they had, they would have found out that this woman really wasn’t cut to be governor of Alaska let alone VP of the whole US.

I guess they really thought that she would just stand there, keep her mouth shut, make McCain seem younger, and serve as a blank canvas for voters to project their image of the ideal candidate.

But she did not even have to open her mouth for that approach to unwravel.

368 JadeHelmCurious  Jun 7, 2015 9:06:43am

re: #366 Nyet

Coupla photos from Kiev’s gay pride:
meduza.io

Who are the police arresting/subduing? Celebrators or antagonists?

369 Nyet  Jun 7, 2015 9:07:25am

re: #368 BigPapa

Neo-Nazis.
In Russia it would have been 180.

370 b_sharp  Jun 7, 2015 9:07:33am

re: #352 CuriousLurker

Our pals, the Saudis:

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That’s what happens in theocracies. Best idea the enlightenment came up with is separation of religion and state.

Now to separate wingnut lunacy from state.

371 HappyWarrior  Jun 7, 2015 9:07:34am

re: #367 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I guess they really thought that she would just stand there, keep her mouth shut, make McCain seem younger, and serve as a blank canvas for voters to project their image of the ideal candidate.

But she did not even have to open her mouth for that approach to unwravel.

As I said they didn’t do their jobs. I think we agree that McCain had to do a Hail Mary to a base that did not trust him. I just do not think it was Palin or Lieberman. I do feel that he could have made a more reasonable choice.

372 HappyWarrior  Jun 7, 2015 9:08:48am

re: #370 b_sharp

That’s what happens in theocracies. Best idea the enlightenment came up with is separation of religion and state.

Now to separate wingnut lunacy from state.

It really was. I always cringe when I hear separation of church and state linked to Leninism or to the really disturbed Nazism..

373 b_sharp  Jun 7, 2015 9:08:51am

re: #354 Decatur Deb

In that case, Obama would have won.

Whew. Glad that didn’t happen.

Can you imagine all the racist crap that would have crawled out from under rocks if Obama had won?

374 Nyet  Jun 7, 2015 9:10:38am

re: #373 b_sharp

Whew. Glad that didn’t happen.

Can you imagine all the racist crap that would have crawled out from under rocks if Obama had won?

… and that he would have been blamed for. Hey, why are you looking at me like I’m crazy?
/

375 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 7, 2015 9:10:51am

re: #372 HappyWarrior

It really was. I always cringe when I hear separation of church and state linked to Leninism or to the really disturbed Nazism..

They were seriously anti-clerical. The Russian Orthodox Church was a pillar of Tsarist absolutism.

376 Great White Snark  Jun 7, 2015 9:11:11am

re: #365 Nyet

Did the Bible’s authors understand faith? ;)

Good point. The christian religious leaders of today that do understand faith, the bible and even men pretty well are the ones I respect. Think certain Jesuits, St Thomas etc. I read some prominent Muslim leaders articles that might agree with me I just don’t recall them by name.

A religion that lacks enough confidence to kindly stand up to critics and resorts to violence far too easily is just an angry army of the prideful. The worst individuals multiplied and organized.

Faith has to go both ways.

377 Nyet  Jun 7, 2015 9:12:33am

re: #372 HappyWarrior

And we’re talking practical separation here. The situation in UK, where there is no separation, is practically better than in Russia, where it’s supposedly a constitutional law written in stone.

378 HappyWarrior  Jun 7, 2015 9:13:24am

re: #375 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

They were seriously anti-clerical. The Russian Orthodox Church was a pillar of Tsarist absolutism.

Oh I know but attributing the concept of separation church and state to Leninism is dishonest. It’s like saying the Nazis were the originators of European Anti-Semitism.

379 HappyWarrior  Jun 7, 2015 9:13:44am

re: #377 Nyet

And we’re talking practical separation here. The situation in UK, where there is no separation, is practically better than in Russia, where it’s supposedly a constitutional law written in stone.

Correct.

380 Nyet  Jun 7, 2015 9:14:54am

re: #376 Great White Snark

Wait, my point was that acc. to this logic the Bible’s authors did not understand faith (since the recommended punishments there are even worse than 1000 lashes).

And if the Bible’s authors did not understand faith, then who does?

:P

—-

My larger point is that understanding faith and punishments are orthogonal.

381 Nyet  Jun 7, 2015 9:16:00am

re: #375 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

They were seriously anti-clerical. The Russian Orthodox Church was a pillar of Tsarist absolutism.

Looking at the corrupt, authoritarian, repressive Russian Orthodox Church of today, I […]

382 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 7, 2015 9:17:43am

re: #381 Nyet

Looking at the corrupt, authoritarian, repressive Russian Orthodox Church of today, I […]

…which has gone back to the same coddling relationship to Putin that it enjoyed under the Czars.

383 Nyet  Jun 7, 2015 9:20:01am

There should be no states in which religion is not separate, no exceptions.

384 Nyet  Jun 7, 2015 9:20:25am

re: #382 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Honestly, they kissed Yeltsin’s ass too.

385 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 7, 2015 9:22:28am

re: #384 Nyet

Honestly, they kissed Yeltsin’s ass too.

But Putin has made them an active part of enforcing his policies.

386 Nyet  Jun 7, 2015 9:23:34am

re: #385 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

But Putin has made them an active part of enforcing his policies.

Kirill is totally Putin’s man.
If the regime ever crumbles in his lifetime, I hope he answers for everything.

387 b_sharp  Jun 7, 2015 9:25:13am

re: #377 Nyet

And we’re talking practical separation here. The situation in UK, where there is no separation, is practically better than in Russia, where it’s supposedly a constitutional law written in stone.

The Brits got tired of the religion in their politics/royalty so they had something to say about it during the enlightenment period & decided to practice what they preach despite the tradition of Anglican rule.

388 Nyet  Jun 7, 2015 9:26:14am

And yes, there are still many democracies (better and worse ones) that still have official religions.

They should clean up their act.

389 Nyet  Jun 7, 2015 9:29:00am

Apparently the crazy Fox “doctor” Ablow had a sane moment and unloaded on the Duggars. A sure sign of the coming Apocalypse.

390 b_sharp  Jun 7, 2015 9:30:41am

re: #389 Nyet

Apparently the crazy Fox “doctor” Ablow had a sane moment and unloaded on the Duggars. A sure sign of the coming Apocalypse.

He really is insane.

This just shows that randomness can reduce entropy.

391 darthstar  Jun 7, 2015 9:32:11am
392 Nyet  Jun 7, 2015 9:32:26am

Chuck seemingly abandoned his stupid site.

393 Nyet  Jun 7, 2015 9:33:35am

re: #391 darthstar

For shame! /

394 Dr Lizardo  Jun 7, 2015 9:34:00am

re: #391 darthstar

A most unfortunate title card.

395 Nyet  Jun 7, 2015 9:34:24am
396 HappyWarrior  Jun 7, 2015 9:34:34am

re: #389 Nyet

Apparently the crazy Fox “doctor” Ablow had a sane moment and unloaded on the Duggars. A sure sign of the coming Apocalypse.

Yeah I saw that. Huckabee’s been running away from them too. Claiming that the endorsement on his site was an “old one.”

397 Great White Snark  Jun 7, 2015 9:34:52am

re: #380 Nyet

Wait, my point was that acc. to this logic the Bible’s authors did not understand faith (since the recommended punishments there are even worse than 1000 lashes).

And if the Bible’s authors did not understand faith, then who does?

:P

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My larger point is that understanding faith and punishments are orthogonal.

Rightly so but frightened men apply punishments as they please. They depart from the lesson of logic. Just thinking out loud FWIW.

Not sure to what extent the authors that originally wrote of the crime and punishments for their society were the same people that wrote of things more spiritual, about the soul etc. Or shared that mindset back then when life was harder, brutal than modern America or Saudi Arabia.

Mercy and tolerance are treated like luxuries that may or may not be afforded. Only some understand those things are essential checks on baser impulses. How often they get to write the books or lead, well that’s a sad rarity.

Every religion will have it’s doubting Thomas. Over and over as the young and intelligent come along. How they are dealt with teaches more about the application of the religion than it does the alleged crime or accused criminal.

It’s the most insecure men who insist on violent punishment.

398 Justanotherhuman  Jun 7, 2015 9:34:58am
399 HappyWarrior  Jun 7, 2015 9:35:16am

re: #398 Justanotherhuman

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OFFS.

400 CuriousLurker  Jun 7, 2015 9:35:30am

re: #355 Nyet

Speaking of extremism, I dipped my toe into the world of Chechen internal conflicts yesterday trying to find out more about Kadyrov. It appears that the Mujahideen consider him (and many others) to be apostates for siding with the Russian infidels (their wording, not mine).

Some of those guys are/were really wild looking with their long hair & beards. I got totally lost trying to follow which group/gang/clan was which, and who killed whom for what reason.

Here’s a bit of ghoulish new info I picked up on a North Caucasus group message board (emphasis mine):

Therefore, an initial report by the Chechen Interior Ministry may have been truthful: it said that the servicemen were blown up during a demining operation. Another peculiarity of the attack was the fact that parts of the suicide bomber’s belt survived, which is quite unusual. Normally, only the head of a suicide bomber survives the blast. […]

Not gonna link to it—anyone who really wants to go there can Google one of the sentences. Once I started hitting photos of dead fighters with horrific injuries, I was done. (I understand that the Russians treated the Chechens very brutally also, but still… the clans were killing each other too. Ugh.)

401 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 7, 2015 9:35:32am

Just rescued a mama and baby bat from the kittehs.

402 darthstar  Jun 7, 2015 9:36:15am

re: #392 Nyet

Chuck seemingly abandoned his stupid site.

Heh…someone left him a note.

403 HappyWarrior  Jun 7, 2015 9:37:20am

re: #402 darthstar

Heh…someone left him a note.

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Is that anyone here?

404 ObserverArt  Jun 7, 2015 9:38:37am

re: #383 Nyet

There should be no states in which religion is not separate, no exceptions.

I would love to see that, but damn, that is a lot of power and control that many will find hard to give up.

405 darthstar  Jun 7, 2015 9:38:57am

re: #396 HappyWarrior

Yeah I saw that. Huckabee’s been running away from them too. Claiming that the endorsement on his site was an “old one.”

The endorsement was just a little curious experimenting. Only lasted a few seconds. He didn’t even feel it.

406 Justanotherhuman  Jun 7, 2015 9:39:05am

re: #403 HappyWarrior

I’ll be glad to claim it. ; )

407 CuriousLurker  Jun 7, 2015 9:40:33am

re: #383 Nyet

There should be no states in which religion is not separate, no exceptions.

I’m inclined to agree, but who would enforce such a rule?

408 Justanotherhuman  Jun 7, 2015 9:43:35am

There’s that “administrative leave” stuff again. With pay, no doubt.

409 darthstar  Jun 7, 2015 9:46:20am

re: #408 Justanotherhuman

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There’s that “administrative leave” stuff again. With pay, no doubt.

When water weenies are outlawed, only outlaws will have water weenies.

410 Decatur Deb  Jun 7, 2015 9:47:29am

re: #404 ObserverArt

I would love to see that, but damn, that is a lot of power and control that many will find hard to give up.

Realizing that we are looking at a pretty chaotic future, it’s likely that political and religious power could re-fuse for the survival value. If most environmental threats are evaded, say through abundant low-cost energy, then the happy democracies with established religions will just see the supernatural aspects attenuate to the level of folk tales.

411 Dr. Matt  Jun 7, 2015 9:47:46am

re: #408 Justanotherhuman

412 Great White Snark  Jun 7, 2015 9:48:34am

re: #407 CuriousLurker

I’m inclined to agree, but who would enforce such a rule?

Only by internal consensus. Nothing else would produce anything but disaster. “Spreading Democracy” anyone?

413 Justanotherhuman  Jun 7, 2015 9:48:44am

Privately run non-profit couldn’t get its shit together, even with $130M.

Hawaii to shutter state health insurance exchange

thehill.com

(snip)

Last week, the Centers for Medicaid and Medicare Services informed the exchange that federal funds were no longer avilable to support its long-term operations, Ige’s office said.
The exchange has suffered from technological issues and low enrollment numbers.

The move comes after the state invested $130 million in the exchange, according to the Hawaii Star-Advertiser.

414 Nyet  Jun 7, 2015 9:53:42am

re: #400 CuriousLurker

There were no good sides in the Federal-Chechen conflict at least since mid-1990s. Some think Dudayev wanted to create an independent secular democratic state at first (and was prevented by the federal center). Maybe so, the details are murky for me. However it began, it ended in pure extremism (even if arguably it was partially caused by the Federal actions). In the end the Ichkerian leaders created a bandit Sharia state (a real one, unlike the product of Geller’s imagination). Here is a public Sharia execution of a man and a woman in the center of Grozny, the Friendship square, in 1997:

What followed, followed. Most leaders of “Ichkeriya” were tied to terrorism, one way or another, including, in the end, the “moderate” Maskhadov. So ending this state of affairs would not have been bad, if not for the fact that after all that blood Kadyrov created just such a bandit Sharia monarchy, just nominally tied to the Russian Federation.

415 CuriousLurker  Jun 7, 2015 9:57:37am

re: #414 Nyet

Public execution in “Friendship” square… *sigh*

I can’t watch stuff like that, but thanks for the other info—trying to read about it left my head spinning.

416 b_sharp  Jun 7, 2015 9:58:22am

re: #407 CuriousLurker

I’m inclined to agree, but who would enforce such a rule?

The people of that country.

They first have to leave their extremism behind and recognize religion and governing don’t mix well as societies change. Technology and research will always contribute to societal change so a stagnant belief system isn’t going to last.

417 Nyet  Jun 7, 2015 10:03:51am

re: #415 CuriousLurker

If you take a look at Kavkaz Center, the organ of “Ichkerya” (I think Movladi Udugov’s site), you’ll see a lot of hate directed not only against Russia (obviously), but also against the US, Europe, Jews, etc.
Holocaust denial, 9/11 CTs and so on - everything goes.

418 Dr Lizardo  Jun 7, 2015 10:04:00am

Meanwhile, here in the Czech Republic, a new law that was intended to stop poverty trafficking may end up making a whole lotta people homeless.

Some background. Many of those classified as “socially disadvantaged” - including a good many Romani - live in what are termed residential hotels, where their rent was paid by the Labor Office. Well, Czechs being a somewhat business-minded folk (and never failing to take advantage of a get-rich-quick scheme), owners of several large apartment blocks turned them into residential hotels. They’d take a 300 square foot room, and put two people into it. Then they charge, on average, $150 per person - not per room. So that one room makes $300. Multiply that out and, depending on how large the building is, the owner of that building can make a tidy sum each and every month.

Needless to say, a lot of Czechs find that…….disturbing. So, a law was passed that took control of housing benefits away from the Labor Office and transferred it to the control of local municipalities, many of who would be over the moon to see these places shut down.

Hundreds more people have become potentially homeless in the Czech Republic over the past few days. They are impoverished, and up until now they have been living in residential hotels.

There are many Romani people among them. Municipalities are now able to reject applications for housing benefits to persons living in these facilities as a result of a recently adopted amendment to the law on aid to those in material distress.

Many local officials are now doing exactly that. They are also giving various reasons for their decisions.

Mayor Liana Janáčková of the Mariánské Hory Municipal Department of Ostrava, for example, has said these applications will be rejected across the board because “residential hotels are not appropriate environments for families with children”. There is no point in reviewing in detail the hypocrisy of this particular politician, who has never made any secret of her racism - the problem is that other politicians “across the political spectrum” are proceeding in a similarly hypocritical way, and primarily, that their moves are completely misconceived.

As to Liana Janáčková, mentioned as the District Mayor here in Ostrava, (as well as a Senator) yeah……she seems like a real sweetheart. (snort) Here’s a quote from her:

“I do not agree with any integration of Gypsies in our district - unfortunately, I am a racist. We chose Bedřiška so that’s where they will be, with a high electric fence for all I care - I’ll tell the whole world that.”

romea.cz

and for the quote from Liana Janáčková, no doubt a candidate for Stormfront’s Humanitarian of the Year Award, there’s this: romea.cz

*smh*

419 BeenHereAwhile  Jun 7, 2015 10:04:04am

re: #122 William Lewis

They lost one in an earlier race today too. Broke a leg and they put it down out there in the infield.

Horse racing isn’t very big in America these days but it is still big in places like England, Ireland, Australia and through out much of the middle east.

I’d rather a nice crossbreed saddle horse, maybe a quarter horse, just to saddle ride if I ever had to deal with one again. Give me mah saber and I’ll get them kids off of mah lawn!!!

While in Jr High & freshman High School, we dated on horseback until old enough to drive legally.

The strawberry roan didn’t get along with horses she didn’t pasture with, so I would ride a half Tennessee walker, who was a really smooth ride, and could canter to the group meeting place about 3 miles (cutting through orange groves) away, in about 20 minutes.

A good horse is a neat animal to have around.

420 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 7, 2015 10:06:01am
421 BeenHereAwhile  Jun 7, 2015 10:10:08am

re: #143 HappyWarrior

You know I appreciate the military but do wingnuts have to always go “Well but but the military.” Not that I don’t appreciate that the US cavalry has done- I know about their role at the Battle of Gettysburg but this is just tacky

It worked for George Armstrong Custer at Gettysburg, but not at Little Big Horn.

422 Dr. Matt  Jun 7, 2015 10:13:43am
423 CuriousLurker  Jun 7, 2015 10:15:05am

re: #416 b_sharp

The people of that country.

They first have to leave their extremism behind and recognize religion and governing don’t mix well as societies change. Technology and research will always contribute to societal change so a stagnant belief system isn’t going to last.

But things are already like that, aren’t they? Some sovereign states have chosen theocracy and/or authoritarianism, while others have switched to various forms of representative democracy, etc.

Granted, in many cases the people of the countries didn’t really have much say in deciding what sort of government they’d have and, as we’ve witnessed with the Arab Spring, that’s often easier said than done.

The only alternative I can see is some outside “world policeman” enforcing the rules, in which case you’ll most likely end up with resentment (not to mention the idea of any one country or alliance of countries being able to dictate such things strikes me as extremely dangerous).

424 b_sharp  Jun 7, 2015 10:15:46am

re: #421 BeenHereAwhile

It worked for George Armstrong Custer at Gettysburg, but not at Little Big Horn.

Racist arrogance killed him.

425 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 7, 2015 10:16:28am
426 Nyet  Jun 7, 2015 10:16:50am

re: #423 CuriousLurker

Obviously it’s not a rule, rather a wish. But there are all sorts of political and economic pressures that can be applied by other countries, like they do in other situations (see South Africa, Russia, etc.). In a better world.

427 Decatur Deb  Jun 7, 2015 10:19:13am

re: #423 CuriousLurker

But things are already like that, aren’t they? Some sovereign states have chosen theocracy and/or authoritarianism, while others have switched to various forms of representative democracy, etc.

Granted, in many cases the people of the countries didn’t really have much say in deciding what sort of government they’d have and, as we’ve witnessed with the Arab Spring, that’s often easier said than done.

The only alternative I can see is some outside “world policeman” enforcing the rules, in which case you’ll most likely end up with resentment (not to mention the idea of any one country or alliance of countries being able to dictate such things strikes me as extremely dangerous).

Wouldn’t take more than one Federation battle cruiser.

428 CuriousLurker  Jun 7, 2015 10:19:34am

re: #417 Nyet

If you take a look at Kavkaz Center, the organ of “Ichkerya” (I think Movladi Udugov’s site), you’ll see a lot of hate directed not only against Russia (obviously), but also against the US, Europe, Jews, etc.
Holocaust denial, 9/11 CTs and so on - everything goes.

Ah, so that’s what it is. I saw links from the forum to the Kavkaz Center site, but I didn’t click them because I didn’t know what it was and was already more confused than I wanted to be.

429 CuriousLurker  Jun 7, 2015 10:20:19am

re: #427 Decatur Deb

Wouldn’t take more than one Federation battle cruiser.

LOL

430 JadeHelmCurious  Jun 7, 2015 10:25:36am

re: #427 Decatur Deb

Wouldn’t take more than one Federation battle cruiser.

You need to add Freedom or Liberty to it, because freedom and liberty.

431 Justanotherhuman  Jun 7, 2015 10:25:43am
432 Nyet  Jun 7, 2015 10:25:51am

A group that was pushing for “peace in Chechya”:

American Committee for Peace in Chechnya

Now, peace is good and all that, but when you look at the list of the names:

web.archive.org

and see that it’s basically a who’s who in neoconservatism, including people who certainly don’t give a fuck about Muslims otherwise (or worse; Frank Gaffney, anyone?), the “peace” agenda starts to look pretty thin. It’s more of a “let’s use Chechnya against Russia in this big geopolitical chess game we’re playing” thing.

433 Dr. Matt  Jun 7, 2015 10:27:07am

This video is so fucking frustrating. The driver is no doubt some Libertaran dudebro fucktard who thinks they are a legal scholar but is completely ignorant and makes a fool of himself. It’s amazing that he sat there for 7 minutes refusing to comply with the officer and didn’t get shot, maced, tased, etc. White Privilege:

Edit: wingnut: “As a man, what right do you have to stop another man?”

434 b_sharp  Jun 7, 2015 10:28:39am

re: #423 CuriousLurker

But things are already like that, aren’t they? Some sovereign states have chosen theocracy and/or authoritarianism, while others have switched to various forms of representative democracy, etc.

Granted, in many cases the people of the countries didn’t really have much say in deciding what sort of government they’d have and, as we’ve witnessed with the Arab Spring, that’s often easier said than done.

The only alternative I can see is some outside “world policeman” enforcing the rules, in which case you’ll most likely end up with resentment (not to mention the idea of any one country or alliance of countries being able to dictate such things strikes me as extremely dangerous).

That’s why I qualified my point by saying the people have to be convinced first. It has to be a bottom up process rather than an external top down process. The short term consequences of policing the world may be positive but the resentments will poison long term results. Just look at history to see how resentments get passed down from one generation to the next, many times exaggerated and ideologically purified.

Humans are stubborn assholes who believe their way of life is the best way and everybody should be constrained to that path. Forcing them to be part to something else just makes them more stubborn. The right wing and religion has the methods to change peoples minds down pat. Start with a strong emotion such as fear, make everything external threatening, make staying rewarding and you can sway people to believe just about anything.

I think open information flow, like Twitter (gag) and Facebook (barf) will do more to change government’s positions, which do flow from popular opinion, than force would.

But, I could be wrong.

435 Justanotherhuman  Jun 7, 2015 10:28:40am
436 CuriousLurker  Jun 7, 2015 10:36:25am

Okay, I’m off to go start preparing some Tah Chin. Nom, nom, nom…

TTYL

438 Decatur Deb  Jun 7, 2015 10:42:43am

re: #430 BigPapa

You need to add Freedom or Liberty to it, because freedom and liberty.

USS Liberator (NCC-67016)
en.memory-alpha.wikia.com

439 Justanotherhuman  Jun 7, 2015 10:42:43am

Backlash grows as Italy migrant arrivals top 50,000

news.yahoo.com

(snip)

Lombardy president Roberto Maroni said he would be writing to local mayors and prefects in his region on Monday to warn them not to accept any more “illegal immigrants” allocated by the government

Municipalities that did not tow the line would have their funding from the region cut, he said.

Giovanni Toti, the newly-elected president of Liguria, backed that stance.

“We will not receive any more migrants,” he said.

Luca Zaia, the right-wing president of Veneto, said the region that includes Venice was “like a bomb ready to go off. The social tensions are absolutely crazy.” More

440 Decatur Deb  Jun 7, 2015 10:46:27am

re: #439 Justanotherhuman

Backlash grows as Italy migrant arrivals top 50,000

news.yahoo.com

(snip)

Lombardy president Roberto Maroni said he would be writing to local mayors and prefects in his region on Monday to warn them not to accept any more “illegal immigrants” allocated by the government

Municipalities that did not tow the line would have their funding from the region cut, he said.

Giovanni Toti, the newly-elected president of Liguria, backed that stance.

“We will not receive any more migrants,” he said.

Luca Zaia, the right-wing president of Veneto, said the region that includes Venice was “like a bomb ready to go off. The social tensions are absolutely crazy.” More

At present, the Veneto is run by Lega Nord, a group very like the Alaska Independence Movement, but with more vowels and fascists.

441 Justanotherhuman  Jun 7, 2015 10:50:59am

You might want to read this Buzzfeed story and find out that white adults at the pool started a racist backlash against the minority kids invited to this pool party by a white classmate.

442 Justanotherhuman  Jun 7, 2015 10:53:50am

re: #441 Justanotherhuman

Teens at the pool party told BuzzFeed News the police were called after a fight broke out between adults and youths at the pool after the adults made racist comments telling the black children to leave the area and return to “Section 8 [public] housing.”

Brooks, the 15-year-old who shot the YouTube video, told BuzzFeed News many students had arrived at the end-of-school celebration at the pool on guest passes.

“I think a bunch of white parents were angry that a bunch of black kids who don’t live in the neighborhood were in the pool,” said Brooks, who is white.
Grace Stone, a white 14-year-old, told BuzzFeed News that when she and her friends objected to the racist comments about public housing an adult woman then became violent.

443 TedStriker  Jun 7, 2015 10:57:11am

re: #442 Justanotherhuman

Might want to put that story clip in blockquotes.


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