Wednesday Night Acoustic: Michael Chapdelaine, “Come Together”

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Here’s a great arrangement of a classic Beatles tune by acoustic guitar maestro Michael Chapdelaine.

Michael Chapdelaine’s arrangement of ‘Come Together’ by The Beatles on Acoustic Guitar.

TAB and/or music notation for this arrangement and many others by Michael can be found at: michaelchapdelaine.com

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1 Belafon  Jun 10, 2015 6:13:32pm

How can you ask a person to make the last comment in a thread?

2 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 10, 2015 6:17:19pm
3 Belafon  Jun 10, 2015 6:20:14pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

Once again, 1984 was not an instruction manual.

4 Great White Snark  Jun 10, 2015 6:20:53pm

Is that guitar strung special? Low octave or something?

5 allegro  Jun 10, 2015 6:20:55pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’d love to send Ben into The Barn. Jackass.

6 EPR-radar  Jun 10, 2015 6:23:34pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, that is a stupid pile of festering dogshit, even for a Republican policy proposal.

Everyone who has been exposed to it should be checked for medically significant brain liquefaction.

7 Decatur Deb  Jun 10, 2015 6:25:44pm

re: #5 allegro

I’d love to send Ben into The Barn. Jackass.

Our neighbour had his kid visiting over the weekend, so they had three SUV’s with Ben Carson stickers in the driveway.

(One also had a sticker showing the outline of Sasquatch and the wording “I Believe”.)

8 FemNaziBitch  Jun 10, 2015 6:28:55pm

I’M GOING TO FIND some mind numbing mindless violent movie to watch on Netflix.

Any suggestions?

9 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 10, 2015 6:29:02pm

Must read comment by Curious Lurker downstairs!
littlegreenfootballs.com

10 EPR-radar  Jun 10, 2015 6:29:23pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

One wonders what Ben Carson’s reaction would be to a proposal to admit poo-flinging monkeys into operating rooms where he does surgery to provide oversight vs. medical fraud and inefficiency.

11 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 10, 2015 6:34:09pm

Well looky here, the grift is back on

12 CuriousLurker  Jun 10, 2015 6:35:05pm

As suggested by , I’m reposting this from downstairs.

*gives Charles the side eye for creating the new thread the moment I posted, as per usual* //


An aside to my #33: After reading the article, one thing led to another and I ended up at Wikipedia reading about Nordicism. Thanks to our repeated exposure to UpChuck’s febrile rantings, this jumped out at me (emphasis mine):

In the United States

In the United States, the primary spokesman for Nordicism was the eugenicist Madison Grant. His 1916 book, The Passing of the Great Race, or the Racial Basis of European History about Nordicism was highly influential among racial thinking and government policy making.

Grant used the theory as justification for immigration policies of the 1920s, arguing that the immigrants from certain areas of Europe, such as Italians and other Southern Europeans and Eastern Europeans, represented a lesser type of European and their numbers in the United States should not be increased. Grant and others urged this as well as the complete restriction of non-Europeans, such as the Chinese and Japanese.

Grant argued the Nordic race had been responsible for most of humanity’s great achievements, and admixture was “race suicide” and unless eugenic policies were enacted, the Nordic race would be supplanted by inferior races. Future president Calvin Coolidge agreed, stating “Biological laws tell us that certain divergent people will not mix or blend. The Nordics propagate themselves successfully. With other races, the outcome shows deterioration on both sides.”

The Immigration Act of 1924 was signed into law by President Coolidge. This was designed to reduce the number of immigrants from Southern Europe, Eastern Europe and Russia, exclude Asian immigrants altogether, and favor immigration from the British Isles, Germany, Denmark, Sweden and Norway. […]

Now it’s much clearer “Why Coolidge Matters” (to some). //

13 EPR-radar  Jun 10, 2015 6:35:51pm

re: #8 FemNaziBitch

I’M GOING TO FIND some mind numbing mindless violent movie to watch on Netflix.

Any suggestions?

If an anime series is in-scope, Hellsing Ultimate scores high on the ultra-violence scale, although it is not completely mindless.

14 EPR-radar  Jun 10, 2015 6:38:03pm

re: #12 CuriousLurker

I wonder what this Madison Grant pinhead’s response would have been to the simple observation that civilizations did not first form in the hinterlands of north Europe?

15 A Cranky One  Jun 10, 2015 6:38:56pm

re: #12 CuriousLurker

As suggested by , I’m reposting this from downstairs.

*gives Charles the side eye for creating the new thread the moment I posted, as per usual* //
…

Every time I see a 500+ comment thread I know you haven’t been posting. ;)

16 FemNaziBitch  Jun 10, 2015 6:39:19pm

re: #14 EPR-radar

I wonder what this Madison Grant pinhead’s response would have been to the simple observation that civilizations did not first form in the hinterlands of north Europe?

Well, unless one believes a Harry Turtledove (or the like) alternative history …

bbl all

17 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 10, 2015 6:40:03pm

re: #14 EPR-radar

I wonder what this Madison Grant pinhead’s response would have been to the simple observation that civilizations did not first form in the hinterlands of north Europe?

WHAT HAVE THE ROMANS EVER DONE FOR US!!!!!!

18 CuriousLurker  Jun 10, 2015 6:40:36pm

re: #14 EPR-radar

I wonder what this Madison Grant pinhead’s response would have been to the simple observation that civilizations did not first form in the hinterlands of north Europe?

I don’t know, but the supremacist types alway come up with something, even if they have to lie.

19 CuriousLurker  Jun 10, 2015 6:41:00pm

re: #15 A Cranky One

Every time I see a 500+ comment thread I know you haven’t been posting. ;)

LOL

20 CuriousLurker  Jun 10, 2015 6:42:47pm

Gotta run, I’m supposed to be studying.

Later, lizards.

21 EPR-radar  Jun 10, 2015 6:44:36pm

re: #12 CuriousLurker

More seriously, I don’t view this as a particularly significant point with respect to Coolidge specifically or specifically to Republicans of that era. The reason is that eugenics really did have incredibly broad appeal in the US in the first part of the 20th century.

en.wikipedia.org

Among other telling points in this Wikipedia tale of woe is this:

After the eugenics movement was well established in the United States, it spread to Germany. California eugenicists began producing literature promoting eugenics and sterilization and sending it overseas to German scientists and medical professionals.[63] By 1933, California had subjected more people to forceful sterilization than all other U.S. states combined. The forced sterilization program engineered by the Nazis was partly inspired by California’s.[7]

22 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 10, 2015 6:46:39pm

re: #8 FemNaziBitch

Iron Sky. ;)

23 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 10, 2015 6:52:10pm

niterz, lizardz!

24 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 10, 2015 6:54:19pm

First brought up by Curious Lurker in the last thread:

The first were hunter-gatherers who arrived some 45,000 years ago in Europe. Then came farmers who arrived from the Near East about 8,000 years ago.

Finally, a group of nomadic sheepherders from western Russia called the Yamnaya arrived about 4,500 years ago. The authors of the new studies also suggest that the Yamnaya language may have given rise to many of the languages spoken in Europe today.

Yeah, no. If by that they mean that the Indo-European languages were brought into Europe by these latecomers, that’s just carrying on Marija Gimbutas’ fantasy about the Indo-European homeland being in the Ukraine, identified with the Kurgan culture, and entering Europe way too late.

Colin Renfrew demonstrated many years ago that the Indo-European languages came into Europe with the first agriculturalists, spreading from a homeland in eastern Anatolia. Agriculture could support a much denser population, and so the newcomers were able to submerge the previous inhabitants, except in a few cases, such as the Pyrenees, where the mountainous terrain was unsuitable, and the Basque language remains today.

The Mesolithic inhabitants of the Baltic and North Sea coast were able to maintain a much denser population due to eating seafood, as the shell middens they left demonstrate. The Germanic languages are Indo-European, but the substrate (which theorists no longer call “Völkisch” for obvious reasons) has left many more traces and make Germanic the most radically-changed branch of the family.

When the agricultural incursion finally reached the steppes of the Ukraine and agriculture became more difficult, they adopted horse-riding from the people there and spread east and over the top of the Caspian, to enter southwest and south Asia as the “Aryans”, conquering India and what is now Iran. Note that Lithuanian peasants in the 19th century were able to understand certain carefully selected sentences in Vedic Sanskrit.

Of course, eastern Anatolia was only the northwestern lobe of the mountainous areas above the Fertile Crescent where agriculture (in Western Asia) began. It seems pretty obvious that the southwestern lobe was the center of the spread of the Afro-Asiatic languages (what in my day was called Hamito-Semitic), and the eastern lobe the source of the Elamo-Dravidian languages that spread into Pakistan and India and later formed the Indus Valley civilization. This is resisted much more vociferously by “splitters” and people who are wedded to the much later spread of agriculture, but that doesn’t make it any less true.

Now I’ll go back and finish the last thread….

25 allegro  Jun 10, 2015 7:02:27pm

Someone needs to introduce Shannon to bath water. She’s getting quite stinky.

26 Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2015 7:12:09pm

re: #21 EPR-radar

More seriously, I don’t view this as a particularly significant point with respect to Coolidge specifically or specifically to Republicans of that era. The reason is that eugenics really did have incredibly broad appeal in the US in the first part of the 20th century.

But I think it is a significant point when considering why people like Chuck Johnson admire Calvin Coolidge today.

27 stpaulbear  Jun 10, 2015 7:13:19pm

re: #8 FemNaziBitch

I’M GOING TO FIND some mind numbing mindless violent movie to watch on Netflix.

Any suggestions?

Russian Dashcam Videos.

28 Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2015 7:15:51pm
29 #FergusonFireside  Jun 10, 2015 7:16:27pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

But I think it is a significant point when considering why people like Chuck Johnson admire Calvin Coolidge today.

He stumbled upon it while researching for his graduate term paper/self published tome.

Ya, he’s just a very loud punk who’s spouting something he read and agreed with. Quite typical.

30 Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 10, 2015 7:18:16pm

re: #3 Belafon

Once again, 1984 was not an instruction manual.

Modern Conservatism, for all its bitching about Liberals and ‘Moral Relativism’, appear to have principles of Good and Bad based not on the act itself, but on who is performing it, and on whom. It’s not torture for US to waterboard THEM, but it’s torture for THEM to waterboard US, for example. It’s unconscionable for the Government to spy on people who openly discuss the need for secession, violent rebellion, or even a coup d’etat. But spy on Government workers? That’s perfectly fine!

31 ipsos  Jun 10, 2015 7:20:28pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

I’ve asked several times and have yet to hear from anyone who’s actually read Chuck’s Coolidge “book” and can testify to what it contains.

Because (a) it’s pretty hard to believe that the guy who wrote all those incoherent GoutNews posts could actually produce something even vaguely readable as a book, and (b) damned if I’m going to be the first one to actually buy the thing and try to read it.

32 #FergusonFireside  Jun 10, 2015 7:21:28pm

Not posting the “do as the cops tell you” letter, but this response

In a situation where you have seconds to make life or death decisions” The McKinney cop would have had more seconds to think if he don’t do that sweet barrel roll.

33 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 10, 2015 7:22:26pm

re: #31 ipsos

I’ve asked several times and have yet to hear from anyone who’s actually read Chuck’s Coolidge “book” and can testify to what it contains.

Because (a) it’s pretty hard to believe that the guy who wrote all those incoherent GoutNews posts could actually produce something even vaguely readable as a book, and (b) damned if I’m going to be the first one to actually buy the thing and try to read it.

I thought Amity Shlaes wrote a Coolidge biography. Maybe he just copied it and put his name watermark on it.

34 ObserverArt  Jun 10, 2015 7:25:22pm

Just logged back in to say that was a nice rendition of Come Together. He managed to capture/hint at the parts of all 4 Beatles too.

And a beautiful guitar with the oval head, oval openings and the oval cut on the end of the neck at the body. I’ve never seen one of those before.

Later Lizards.

35 allegro  Jun 10, 2015 7:33:37pm

re: #30 Blind Frog Belly White

Modern Conservatism, for all its bitching about Liberals and ‘Moral Relativism’, appear to have principles of Good and Bad based not on the act itself, but on who is performing it, and on whom. It’s not torture for US to waterboard THEM, but it’s torture for THEM to waterboard US, for example. It’s unconscionable for the Government to spy on people who openly discuss the need for secession, violent rebellion, or even a coup d’etat. But spy on Government workers? That’s perfectly fine!

What I find amusing is Carson’s apparent misconception that all government employees are desk bound bureaucrats who can be spied on by… who? I spent my entire career first as a federal Fish & Wildlife Service biologist then state university researcher/educator. So some O’Keefe or Chuck brat is gonna be wading into mocassin infested water or tagging bears to see if we’re doing our jobs? Are they gonna pose as forest fire fighters? Go into battle in the ME with the soldiers? They would curl into fetal positions from the fear and pain.

36 Timothy Watson  Jun 10, 2015 7:37:08pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

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What can we expect from a political party that will spend millions of dollars a year to catch the one or two people on welfare who are using drugs and end their ten thousand dollars or so of benefits a year?

For all the GOP talk of economics, they constantly show they have no ability whatsoever to apply basic economic principles in real life (e.g., the concept of marginal cost = marginal revenue).

Of course, they’re the same people who subscribe to the Austrian school of economic thought which says that ‘your pesky data and statistics can’t disprove my theories’.

37 Kragar  Jun 10, 2015 7:40:54pm
38 The War TARDIS  Jun 10, 2015 7:41:12pm

Oh boy….

Should note that I have learned that another friend became a mother recently.

While I do have person who is wanting to learn more, and possibly be in a relationship, there are two problems.

1) I still feel pressure from the appearance that I am “behind” others (This may be affected by the fact that almost all of my friends are women).

but more importantly

2) I am the older one in this situation. I feel like I should be the “lead” in where ever this is going. But with no innate sense of social stuff, I have no idea what to do. I want her to be the “lead.” But, I have no idea how to convey “I am blind socially, and have less than no idea what I am doing, can you be the lead socially?”

39 BlueSpotinAL  Jun 10, 2015 7:44:13pm

re: #33 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I thought Amity Shlaes wrote a Coolidge biography. Maybe he just copied it and put his name watermark on it.

Is there a way to check Chuck’s book for plagiarism?

40 LadyBehir  Jun 10, 2015 7:46:07pm

re: #39 BlueSpotinAL

Is there a way to check Chuck’s book for plagiarism?

Not without actually reading it, sorry.

41 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 10, 2015 7:47:31pm

A friend of mr. klys’s is taking intensive cooking classes as the cooking school near the house.

He dropped off some food today.

Guess dinner is sorted out and I’ll do today’s plan tomorrow.

Also, the eyedrops at the eye doctor’s suck. I hate them.

42 #FergusonFireside  Jun 10, 2015 7:47:32pm

re: #36 Timothy Watson

What can we expect from a political party that will spend millions of dollars a year to catch the one or two people on welfare who are using drugs and end their ten thousand dollars or so of benefits a year?

For all the GOP talk of economics, they constantly show they have no ability whatsoever to apply basic economic principles in real life (e.g., the concept of marginal cost = marginal revenue).

Of course, they’re the same people who subscribe to the Austrian school of economic thought which says that ‘your pesky data and statistics can’t disprove my theories’.

The drug testers are GOP buddies. It’s another racket built on top of the poor. To keep them there, because racket.

43 BeachDem  Jun 10, 2015 7:50:05pm

re: #31 ipsos

I’ve asked several times and have yet to hear from anyone who’s actually read Chuck’s Coolidge “book” and can testify to what it contains.

Because (a) it’s pretty hard to believe that the guy who wrote all those incoherent GoutNews posts could actually produce something even vaguely readable as a book, and (b) damned if I’m going to be the first one to actually buy the thing and try to read it.

From what I remember from reading the back and forths on his and other blogs at the time at Claremont-McKenna, it was his senior “thesis,” and it didn’t win the best thesis prize, but was noted as being the longest one ever turned in. Somebody, somewhere wrote something about how upchuck couldn’t even do a very good job of defending it when presented.

So there’s that. (will try to find the relevant entries.)

44 BeachDem  Jun 10, 2015 7:58:33pm

re: #43 BeachDem

From what I remember from reading the back and forths on his and other blogs at the time at Claremont-McKenna, it was his senior “thesis,” and it didn’t win the best thesis prize, but was noted as being the longest one ever turned in. Somebody, somewhere wrote something about how upchuck couldn’t even do a very good job of defending it when presented.

So there’s that. (will try to find the relevant entries.)

OK—found his blog post where he apologized for being an ass—now looking for the original facebook where he was a total ass…

Mike Whatley CMC ‘11 and Andrew Grimm CMC ‘11 won the two highest awards the Government Department can bestow, that of Best Government Student and Best Government Thesis.

Apparently, the little twit had been “misinformed” and originally published:

Grimm and I competed for Best Government thesis, with his work on debt winning out against my work on Coolidge.

The vote was very close between different factions of the Government department, with 6 votes in his favor, 5 votes for mine, and 6 votes abstaining. This is, as best as I understand it, unprecedented in the history of the department. More often than not, the decision is by consensus. Here a vote took place.

I confess to being very confused with this result, especially as I don’t see how it was possible for both theses in contention to have been read, merely a day after we had to hand them in. My own readers haven’t been able to read all of my thesis, so I don’t know what rubric the decision was made.

(In his mea culpa, this last section is printed as strike-through.

And he not only lost that one (sob) but another as well.

…The close vote I mentioned previously was between me and unnamed student who won best thesis to address public affairs. (I was apparently nominated for both awards.) (And apparently your tripe wasn’t good enough to win either of them.)

claremontconservative.com

45 Kragar  Jun 10, 2015 8:03:05pm
46 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 10, 2015 8:03:15pm

re: #40 LadyBehir

Not without actually reading it, sorry.

I think you can read some sample pages with Amazon’s “Look Inside” feature. But you’d need to copy passages manually to check for plagiarism at a site like plagiarisma.net, for example.

But, I would imagine Claremont-McKenna has an institutional account with turnitin.com, and CCJ’s adviser would have already checked the thesis for plagiarism. That’s SOP nowadays for most colleges/universities and even some high schools.

47 allegro  Jun 10, 2015 8:04:57pm

re: #44 BeachDem

As grammatically incorrect and incoherently as he writes, it wouldn’t be necessary to wade through much of his thesis to make one’s eyes cross, I suspect.

48 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 10, 2015 8:08:37pm

re: #47 allegro

As grammatically incorrect and incoherently as he writes, it wouldn’t be necessary to wade through much of his thesis to make one’s eyes cross, I suspect.

He must have had a very patient proofreader or editor in college. It’s also possible he has mastered the art of academic writing, which is somewhat formulaic, but not the art of extemporaneous writing.

49 Belafon  Jun 10, 2015 8:08:44pm

re: #45 Kragar

So, all those kids were part of the Pool Party Gang?

50 allegro  Jun 10, 2015 8:15:22pm

re: #48 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He must have had a very patient proofreader or editor in college. It’s also possible he has mastered the art of academic writing, which is somewhat formulaic, but not the art of extemporaneous writing.

Regardless of the type of writing, it requires coherent and organized thought - a beginning, middle, and end - at the least. I haven’t seen any evidence of that capability. He seems to have difficulty with single sentences as demonstrated by his tweets. I understand in his interviews that he can’t maintain a topic for more than a minute before rambling off. His extremely long thesis is additional evidence.

51 Kragar  Jun 10, 2015 8:16:03pm
52 teleskiguy  Jun 10, 2015 8:18:45pm

Screenshot everything!!! Drats!

So @GotNewsResearch responded to this tweet:

something along the lines of “That’s not what I was doing there, LOLOL”

I reported the tweet for impersonation and harassment. Tweet is now gone.

53 sagehen  Jun 10, 2015 8:19:32pm

re: #38 The War TARDIS

but more importantly

2) I am the older one in this situation. I feel like I should be the “lead” in where ever this is going. But with no innate sense of social stuff, I have no idea what to do. I want her to be the “lead.” But, I have no idea how to convey “I am blind socially, and have less than no idea what I am doing, can you be the lead socially?”

And yet, you just conveyed exactly that. Clearly, with words.

54 Pip's Squeak  Jun 10, 2015 8:20:35pm

re: #24 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

It’s been a long time.

Nevertheless, Elamo-Dravidian? Unproved. As for (Parpola’s?) notion that the language of the Indus valley civilization was related to Dravidian, this may or may not be, but it is also unproved, as is his possible decipherment of the Indus valley script, if a script what it be.

55 freetoken  Jun 10, 2015 8:25:25pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

Carson now is so exposed that it is clear he will be targeted even by other Republicans. He’s just too easy of a target for his loony talk. He and Rand Paul will be easy for the institutional Republican candidates to play off, as a way to make them (the institutional ones) sound more “reasonable”.

56 HappyWarrior  Jun 10, 2015 8:25:54pm

re: #52 teleskiguy

Screenshot everything!!! Drats!

So @GotNewsResearch responded to this tweet:

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something along the lines of “That’s not what I was doing there, LOLOL”

I reported the tweet for impersonation and harassment. Tweet is now gone.

Shocked, seems the Ginger Boy Wonder has some self awareness.

57 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 10, 2015 8:26:46pm

re: #50 allegro

Regardless of the type of writing, it requires coherent and organized thought - a beginning, middle, and end - at the least. I haven’t seen any evidence of that capability. He seems to have diffuculty with single sentences as demonstrated by his tweets. I understand in his interviews that he can’t maintain a topic for more than a minute before rambling off. His extremely long thesis is additional evidence.

Well, I agree with you there. I’ve watched three of his “interviews.” Really, they all amount to the interlocutor asking a question and letting CCJ ramble for 2-3 minutes and sometimes answering the question in the process. AFAIK, no one has done an actual live interview with him, where the interviewer presses him to answer a question succinctly.

His other issue is that he tends to volunteer information that damages his narrative. During the Milo Yiannopoulos interview, for example, CCJ interrupted Milo’s attempt to steer the topic back to the original question by volunteering that CCJ does not like the “n-word.” Milo naturally asked, “Then why do you use it so much?” And Chuck said he merely used it as way to exploit Twitter’s “Algorithm” — fancy words for “I wuz trollin’ Huh huh huh!”

58 HappyWarrior  Jun 10, 2015 8:27:00pm

re: #55 freetoken

Carson now is so exposed that it is clear he will be targeted even by other Republicans. He’s just too easy of a target for his loony talk. He and Rand Paul will be easy for the institutional Republican candidates to play off, as a way to make them (the institutional ones) sound more “reasonable”.

I suspect Rand’s undoing will be that he’s not nearly as hawkish as the institutional GOP/establishment will like. It’s why I think Rubio and even Cruz will ultimately finish ahead of him.

59 HappyWarrior  Jun 10, 2015 8:28:22pm

Somehow I doubt Hannity would have the same condescending language to white people. Guy’s a bigoted jackass. Always has been, just like his mentor Rush.

60 freetoken  Jun 10, 2015 8:28:42pm

re: #12 CuriousLurker

Repeating myself from earlier, there is a widespread fallacy I call “race essentialism” and not just the usual candidates (e..g, AmRen) fall for it.

61 BeachDem  Jun 10, 2015 8:29:45pm

re: #48 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He must have had a very patient proofreader or editor in college. It’s also possible he has mastered the art of academic writing, which is somewhat formulaic, but not the art of extemporaneous writing.

Well, from the banter at @NotClrmtConsrv (most of which is true and hilarious)

62 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 10, 2015 8:29:56pm

re: #54 Pip’s Squeak

It’s been a long time.

Nevertheless, Elamo-Dravidian? Unproved. As for (Parpola’s?) notion that the language of the Indus valley civilization was related to Dravidian, this may or may not be, but it is also unproved, as is his possible decipherment of the Indus valley script.

Well, I said that part was less solid than the Indo-European languages spreading into Europe with agriculture. That would have been the 8,000 year-ago group. The article implied that the horsemen from the steppes 4,500 years ago brought the I-E languages with them, and that’s just wrong.

Parpola’s decipherment of the Indus Valley script might very well be baloney—probably is. As for the language(s) the Indus Valley civilization spoke—maybe it/they belonged to yet another family that has completely disappeared, but I think the most parsimonious theory is that the Dravidian languages came in with agriculture, just as I-E in Europe, and were swept aside and forced into the south of India by the Aryans.

63 William Lewis  Jun 10, 2015 8:29:59pm

re: #54 Pip’s Squeak

It’s been a long time.

Nevertheless, Elamo-Dravidian? Unproved. As for (Parpola’s?) notion that the language of the Indus valley civilization was related to Dravidian, this may or may not be, but it is also unproved, as is his possible decipherment of the Indus valley script, if a script what it be.

One of the things I realized a long time ago is that there are factions in linguistics that make paleo-anthropology look tame. Every one has a position staked out and defends it tooth and claw :) I’ll stick to arguing about splitting and lumping Australopithecus species rather than stick my nose in the Gimbutas/Renfrew civil war again.

64 teleskiguy  Jun 10, 2015 8:34:26pm

OK, finally got around to lampooning UpChuck stalking Twitter headquarters on Twitter.

65 Kragar  Jun 10, 2015 8:36:55pm
66 #FergusonFireside  Jun 10, 2015 8:37:14pm

re: #59 HappyWarrior

Somehow I doubt Hannity would have the same condescending language to white people. Guy’s a bigoted jackass. Always has been, just like his mentor Rush.

Hannity is the Mt. Everest of Talking Head Media Trash

METHMT

67 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 10, 2015 8:37:17pm

re: #61 BeachDem

Well, from the banter at @NotClrmtConsrv (most of which is true and hilarious)

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I found that account’s TL, too. The information fed to that account somehow is linked to his ex-girlfriend, or so CCJ says, and his response acting on that information prompted her to retaliate. Then, he got caught up in a harassment case at his college. Since we only have his side of the mess, it’s impossible to say how all those aspects of that drama are connected.

The Twitter account does slyly suggest the possibility that CCJ did not write his thesis, since he could not defend it very well.

68 HappyWarrior  Jun 10, 2015 8:38:07pm

re: #66 #FergusonFireside

Hannity is the Mt. Everest of Talking Head Media Trash

METHMT

I love that phrasing.

69 freetoken  Jun 10, 2015 8:39:42pm

Continuing on my soapbox about “race”: Looking at the post below about Hannity, we can be sure from all he has said and written before that he believes many fallacies around “race”.

However, his two black guests - do they also? Probably. it is very hard to get the general population to accept the latest science discoveries and this is especially true when it comes to genetics and anthropology.

Someone mentioned Henry Gates. He tries, at least to a certain extent, to show how mixed the entire American population truly is. But even he, when he shows those graphs (on FYR) from the genetic companies is reinforcing some misbeliefs, if he doesn’t explain all the limitations of what those graphs really mean.

70 #FergusonFireside  Jun 10, 2015 8:41:05pm

re: #61 BeachDem

That timeline is entertaining.

71 #FergusonFireside  Jun 10, 2015 8:43:16pm

Nighty all.

72 freetoken  Jun 10, 2015 8:43:29pm

And getting back to the early 20th century beliefs about “Nordicism” - the irony is that the racists back then wanted to include the British Isles.

But guess what? It is pretty clear from DNA that all the Angles, Jutes, Saxons, and Vikings combined still make up the minority of the DNA of those on the British Isles. The biggest component appears to be from older European groups.

73 Kragar  Jun 10, 2015 8:48:09pm

re: #72 freetoken

And getting back to the early 20th century beliefs about “Nordicism” - the irony is that the racists back then wanted to include the British Isles.

But guess what? It is pretty clear from DNA that all the Angles, Jutes, Saxons, and Vikings combined still make up the minority of the DNA of those on the British Isles. The biggest component appears to be from older European groups.

Well, they say your ancestors can’t be Pict.

74 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 10, 2015 8:48:13pm

re: #69 freetoken

Continuing on my soapbox about “race”: Looking at the post below about Hannity, we can be sure from all he has said and written before that he believes many fallacies around “race”.

However, his two black guests - do they also? Probably. it is very hard to get the general population to accept the latest science discoveries and this is especially true when it comes to genetics and anthropology.

Someone mentioned Henry Gates. He tries, at least to a certain extent, to show how mixed the entire American population truly is. But even he, when he shows those graphs (on FYR) from the genetic companies is reinforcing some misbeliefs, if he doesn’t explain all the limitations of what those graphs really mean.

It bothers me, as a scientist/science teacher, when charts say someone’s genes are 39% British Isles, 11% Middle Eastern or whatever. Those geographic designations really only have value for the last several thousand years, given the mixing of the genetic pool in Europe (and elsewhere). For example, my Y-DNA is British Isles Celtic, meaning it closely matches other samples from southern Wales and Devon. But those Celtic forebears did not originally come from the British Isles. One possible origin of the Celtic peoples is Anatolia. So, I could just as easily argue I’m Turkish — not that there was a Turkey several thousand years ago.

Ultimately, we’re all Africans.

75 allegro  Jun 10, 2015 8:49:51pm

re: #67 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I found that account’s TL, too. The information fed to that account somehow is linked to his ex-girlfriend, or so CCJ says, and his response acting on that information prompted her to retaliate. Then, he got caught up in a harassment case at his college. Since we only have his side of the mess, it’s impossible to say how all those aspects of that drama are connected.

The Twitter account does slyly suggest the possibility that CCJ did not write his thesis, since he could not defend it very well.

I suspect he couldn’t defend it because it was a rambling mess with no direction and no ultimate point. All he could answer when asked was that it was about Coolidge.

Q: So what about Coolidge?

Chuck: It’s about Coolidge, you know the president.

Q: What is your premise? His economic policies? Arguments on the success or failures of his foreign policies?

Chuck: It’s about Coolidge, you idiot!

76 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 10, 2015 8:52:35pm

re: #75 allegro

I suspect he couldn’t defend it because it was a rambling mess with no direction and no ultimate point. All he could answer when asked was that it was about Coolidge.

Q: So what about Coolidge?

Chuck: It’s about Coolidge, you know the president.

Q: What is your premise? His economic policies? Arguments on the success or failures of his foreign policies?

Chuck: It’s about Coolidge, you idiot!

Read the book! I’m not going to do your research for you!

77 freetoken  Jun 10, 2015 8:52:44pm

re: #74 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

You raise several issues. But I think the biggest one is describing discoveries to the laymen. Those graphs of which you write come with error bars, but almost no customer will try to wrestle with what those mean.

To me the biggest problem with many of those tests is that they use contemporary state names (i.e. “British”) which conjure up meanings in the minds of customers which may be misleading.

78 allegro  Jun 10, 2015 8:53:38pm

re: #76 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Read the book! I’m not going to do your research for you!

Exactly! LOL

79 Jenner7  Jun 10, 2015 8:54:24pm

Out of all the racist right wing talkers, I cannot stand Hannity the most. He’s a smug, self-righteous, bigoted prick.

I’m proud of DeRay. He was so calm on his show last night. Me? I would have been a screaming, mouth foaming fool. lol I admit, he gets me angry.

80 BeachDem  Jun 10, 2015 8:56:09pm

re: #67 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The Twitter account does slyly suggest the possibility that CCJ did not write his thesis, since he could not defend it very well.

I didn’t get that they thought he didn’t write it; more that it was such an incomprehensible pile o’shit that he couldn’t defend it (and that it was, in fact, a biography and not a thesis as it made no point.) I loved the one that mentioned that he had 10 pages of acknowledgements in it.

81 Great White Snark  Jun 10, 2015 8:57:37pm

re: #74 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Are you a scifi fan? The novel seveneves gets well into where humanity could ethnically go, if pushed to the hardest choices for survival. Written by Neal Stephenson, known for Anathem.

amazon.com

82 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 10, 2015 8:59:32pm

re: #74 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It bothers me, as a scientist/science teacher, when charts say someone’s genes are 39% British Isles, 11% Middle Eastern or whatever. Those geographic designations really only have value for the last several thousand years, given the mixing of the genetic pool in Europe (and elsewhere). For example, my Y-DNA is British Isles Celtic, meaning it closely matches other samples from southern Wales and Devon. But those Celtic forebears did not originally come from the British Isles. One possible origin of the Celtic peoples is Anatolia. So, I could just as easily argue I’m Turkish — not that there was a Turkey several thousand years ago.

Ultimately, we’re all Africans.

Yeah, “Celtic” covers a lot of ground—or did before they were ground between the millstones of Romans and Germans. Celtic languages were once spoken from Portugal to Poland and from Ireland to Anatolia. You can prove anything with “Celtic”.

83 Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2015 8:59:47pm

re: #52 teleskiguy

I reported the tweet for impersonation and harassment. Tweet is now gone.

Nope - still there:

84 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 10, 2015 8:59:50pm

Somebody’s fee-fees are hurt.

85 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 10, 2015 9:00:42pm

re: #76 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Read the book! I’m not going to do your research for you!

“Google it, you moron!”

86 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 10, 2015 9:01:07pm

re: #80 BeachDem

I didn’t get that they thought he didn’t write it; more that it was such an incomprehensible pile o’shit that he couldn’t defend it (and that it was, in fact, a biography and not a thesis as it made no point.) I loved the one that mentioned that he had 10 pages of acknowledgements in it.

Ah, I hadn’t considered that possibility. Yeah, a thesis is supposed to argue something, not throw out a lot of shit and let the reader sort it out him- or herself.

87 teleskiguy  Jun 10, 2015 9:01:29pm

re: #83 Charles Johnson

Nope - still there:

[Embedded content]

Huh?!?!!! I guess I can’t see it because I reported it?

Anyhoo, Twitizens, you know what to do. UpChuck is obviously in some control over @GotNewsResearch.

88 allegro  Jun 10, 2015 9:02:28pm

re: #84 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Somebody’s fee-fees are hurt.

[Embedded content]

So Chuck himself, speaking in the first person, is tweeting from Shannon’s account?

89 Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2015 9:02:43pm

re: #84 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Somebody’s fee-fees are hurt.

[Embedded content]

Wow, he’s just admitting it’s his account now.

90 BeachDem  Jun 10, 2015 9:03:33pm

re: #84 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Somebody’s fee-fees are hurt.

[Embedded content]

Wait—is that tweet Chuck talking in first person? (As “Mr. Johnson” would say, BUSTED)

EDIT—Why am I always two comments too late! (it’s typing in the dark and having to keep backspacing.)

91 teleskiguy  Jun 10, 2015 9:04:16pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

Wow, he’s just admitting it’s his account now.

I thought the same thing when I saw the tweet in #83.

The bender he’s been on since Memorial Day is proving to be his detriment with Twitter. He’s getting sloppy.

92 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 10, 2015 9:04:32pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

Wow, he’s just admitting it’s his account now.

Egg -sactly

93 Charles Johnson  Jun 10, 2015 9:05:25pm
94 Pip's Squeak  Jun 10, 2015 9:07:02pm

re: #62 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I have no set opinion on the relative merits of Gimbutas and Renfrew although since I heard Gimbutas give a lecture on the geographic origin of the Indo-Europeans in Los Angeles years ago, I’m prejudiced.

95 BeachDem  Jun 10, 2015 9:07:31pm

re: #86 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Ah, I hadn’t considered that possibility. Yeah, a thesis is supposed to argue something, not throw out a lot of shit and let the reader sort it out him- or herself.

And, apparently it was lonnnngggg—very longggggg

96 Bird in the Paw  Jun 11, 2015 7:22:56am

re: #35 allegro

What I find amusing is Carson’s apparent misconception that all government employees are desk bound bureaucrats who can be spied on by… who? I spent my entire career first as a federal Fish & Wildlife Service biologist then state university researcher/educator. So some O’Keefe or Chuck brat is gonna be wading into mocassin infested water or tagging bears to see if we’re doing our jobs? Are they gonna pose as forest fire fighters? Go into battle in the ME with the soldiers? They would curl into fetal positions from the fear and pain.

Or, that we’re too stupid* to unable to recognize ‘new and fundamentally wrong’ in our workspace. Given that I work in a highly technical and extremely specialized arena, anyone who is here to check up on our work would stand out like a ginger-freak in front of Twitter’s HQ.

‘Hi, here is unqualified person being placed in your group, assimilate and don’t notice lack of vetting or fact that you can’t hire the FTEs that you actually need’

*though this is a group of people who think that government worker are non-thinking automatons.

97 Romantic Heretic  Jun 11, 2015 8:51:39am

re: #13 EPR-radar

If an anime series is in-scope, Hellsing Ultimate scores high on the ultra-violence scale, although it is not completely mindless.

Oh yeah. That’s a great one.

That scene where Seras rips that Nazi zeppelin out of the sky with hand held twin 30mm cannon rocks.

The bit just before that, Bernadotte’s speech about the horrors of war is thoughtful and poignant.


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