Overnight Podcast: The Bob & Chez Show, 6/11/15

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In tonight’s episode, we find that Chez Pazienza was hacked! Hacked, I say!

Doocy in the Box: Hack-Fraud Chuck C. Johnson Stalks Twitter Headquarters Then Gets Suspended Again; The Texas Cop Resigns, and O’Reilly Blames MSNBC; Steve Doocy Repeats RNC Talking Points Verbatim; The Doocy in the Box; The Duggars in Trouble Again; Huckabee’s Co-Author Accused of Child Molestation; Ben Carson Derps on Gay Marriage Again; Lindsey Graham is a Ghoul; Abortion Rates Down in Pro-Choice States; and much more.

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408 comments
1 allegro  Jun 11, 2015 10:07:52pm

So I’m OT already… Charles, why cannot I embed a video when I paste in the youtube URL from my kindle fire? All I get is a direct link.

2 allegro  Jun 11, 2015 10:14:39pm

Like this….

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3 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 11, 2015 10:30:53pm

re: #1 allegro

So I’m OT already… Charles, why cannot I embed a video when I paste in the youtube URL from my kindle fire? All I get is a direct link.

I am not Charles but I am guessing whatever his embedded stuff is doing doesn’t recognize the m.youtube prefix versus the normal one (www.youtube or whatever).

4 teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2015 10:31:33pm

re: #2 allegro

Like this….

m.youtube.com

You have to use the web-based URL, not the mobile URL. You have to remove the letter m after “http://” in the URL.

5 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 11, 2015 10:32:45pm

re: #3 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I am not Charles but I am guessing whatever his embedded stuff is doing doesn’t recognize the m.youtube prefix versus the normal one (www.youtube or whatever).

My problem is, everybody else gets the start screen for the video to show in their post. All I get is a button that says “Video” (or whatever I choose to put on it).

6 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 11, 2015 10:34:29pm

re: #5 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

My problem is, everybody else gets the start screen for the video to show in their post. All I get is a button that says “Video” (or whatever I choose to put on it).

Huh. No idea. Any example link I could look at?

7 allegro  Jun 11, 2015 10:40:57pm

Trying….

Youtube Video

8 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 11, 2015 10:41:42pm

re: #6 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Huh. No idea. Any example link I could look at?

Just searching the word “video”, this is the first one that comes up. It’s no hardship—all you have to do is hit the button and the screen apears, but everybody else’s shows automatically.

9 allegro  Jun 11, 2015 10:42:10pm

So that didn’t go well neither.

10 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 11, 2015 10:42:44pm

And then I forgot to put in the link!

11 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 11, 2015 10:43:57pm

re: #7 allegro

Trying….

youtube.com

Clicking that link just took me to my “hub” page. Same one as before?

I’m trying to look for patterns in the web addresses, because I think Charles uses regexes to pull out the stuff for embedding.

12 allegro  Jun 11, 2015 10:45:51pm

re: #11 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Clicking that link just took me to my “hub” page. Same one as before?

I’m trying to look for patterns in the web addresses, because I think Charles uses regexes to pull out the stuff for embedding.

Weird. It took me to the video.

13 teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2015 10:47:49pm

The link has to look like this when you paste it.

And now, that link.

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14 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 11, 2015 10:47:59pm

Youtube is maybe being strange tonight?

…

I’ll help test.

15 allegro  Jun 11, 2015 10:50:54pm

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16 allegro  Jun 11, 2015 10:52:21pm

Oh wow. I took stuff out but what did I do. LOL

17 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 11, 2015 10:53:18pm

re: #10 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

And then I forgot to put in the link!

You are using the embed address. Don’t do that. Just copy/paste the Youtube address instead of grabbing the embed code. Charles does all the heavy lifting for us. ;)

18 #FergusonFireside  Jun 11, 2015 10:55:18pm

Hey all!

I took a couple of shifts hostessing. We are insanely busy due to graduation people. First one was tonight. Whoa, way more physical activity than waitroning. I’m sore!!

I’ll take exercise anyway I can, pay me please.

19 BeachDem  Jun 11, 2015 10:57:02pm

re: #11 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Clicking that link just took me to my “hub” page. Same one as before?

I’m trying to look for patterns in the web addresses, because I think Charles uses regexes to pull out the stuff for embedding.

Hunh. Did the same for me—which was nice, because I didn’t know I HAD a hub page. (You should see me trying to assemble furniture!)
But, since I’m there, and it’s just about 2 am—I’ll go ahead and post this (because I’m on my desktop, so I can get the screens to post—yay me):

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20 allegro  Jun 11, 2015 10:57:43pm

re: #18 #FergusonFireside

Hey all!

I took a couple of shifts hostessing. We are insanely busy due to graduation people. First one was tonight. Whoa, way more physical activity than waitroning. I’m sore!!

I’ll take exercise anyway I can, pay me please.

I’d rather invite ya over for a pizza. Ohhh I have such plans for your dad’s recipe.

21 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 11, 2015 10:58:03pm

re: #17 klys (maker of Silmarils)

You are using the embed address. Don’t do that. Just copy/paste the Youtube address instead of grabbing the embed code. Charles does all the heavy lifting for us. ;)

Yeah, I’ve tried that, too. Never have gotten the video to show, but I’ll try that again next time….

22 allegro  Jun 11, 2015 11:00:49pm

re: #21 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Yeah, I’ve tried that, too. Never have gotten the video to show, but I’ll try that again next time….

Yeah, I had to take out the m at the beginning and the whole / thru / and then it worked. I think.

23 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 11, 2015 11:00:58pm

I have no idea why this showed up on my “recommended” page—but it looks weird, so:

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24 #FergusonFireside  Jun 11, 2015 11:01:59pm

re: #20 allegro

I’d rather invite ya over for a pizza. Ohhh I have such plans for your dad’s recipe.

I eagerly await your results! I’ll let him know some liberal dem is doing his pie justice!!!

25 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 11, 2015 11:02:44pm

re: #23 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I have no idea why this showed up on my “recommended” page—but it looks weird, so:

[Embedded content]

Whaddaya know! I’ve tried that before, on the model of tweets and never got anywhere. I guess the 20th time’s the charm! Thanks, klys.

26 allegro  Jun 11, 2015 11:03:19pm

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27 Nyet  Jun 11, 2015 11:04:35pm

re: #4 teleskiguy

You have to use the web-based URL, not the mobile URL. You have to remove the letter m after “http://” in the URL.

Mobile URLs do embed, I posted one yesterday, for example.

28 allegro  Jun 11, 2015 11:05:43pm

Yup, there it is. Take out the m and then the stuff between the first / and /. Even then it doesn’t show up right in preview.

29 allegro  Jun 11, 2015 11:08:36pm

re: #24 #FergusonFireside

I eagerly await your results! I’ll let him know some liberal dem is doing his pie justice!!!

I’m gonna do a stuffed crust thing with mozzerella, vine ripened romas, and fresh basil with an herbed olive oil dipping sauce.

30 Nyet  Jun 11, 2015 11:10:52pm

Here goes an URL with m: …

31 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 11, 2015 11:14:26pm

re: #27 Nyet

Mobile URLs do embed, I posted one yesterday, for example.

It might also depend on what extra crap is attached to it. But both appear to have gotten things sorted out, hooray!

…

Let’s celebrate with Maru.

32 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 11, 2015 11:16:49pm

I think the Chinese have hacked my YouTube page:

Explorer Interrupts Mating Tortoises, Slowest Chase Ever Ensues

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33 Nyet  Jun 11, 2015 11:19:40pm

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34 allegro  Jun 11, 2015 11:22:07pm

re: #33 Nyet

Choosing that particular video kinda freaks me out.

35 Nyet  Jun 11, 2015 11:22:37pm

re: #34 allegro

Why?

36 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 11, 2015 11:23:12pm

OK, I’d previously tried the bare embed code, the bare URL, both with the embed button, and for the sake of completeness, both with the regular link button, and never had any luck before…but that prompts the question: What is the embed button for?

37 allegro  Jun 11, 2015 11:23:53pm

re: #35 Nyet

Why?

Time and place thing. It has peculiar memories for me.

38 #FergusonFireside  Jun 11, 2015 11:25:16pm

I’m going to crawl into my clean sheets.

Night all, take care.

39 Nyet  Jun 11, 2015 11:26:12pm

re: #36 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

For embedding videos from sites that LGF doesn’t support automatically.

In fact you can embed any flash application. Didn’t you see me embed a Super Mario game a few weeks back?

40 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 11, 2015 11:29:41pm

re: #39 Nyet

For embedding videos from sites that LGF doesn’t support automatically.

In fact you can embed any flash application. Didn’t you see me embed a Super Mario game a few weeks back?

I did, but I’m used to people being able to do things I can’t. :-)

re: #37 allegro

Time and place thing. It has peculiar memories for me.

It’s Riders on the Storm that creeps me right the fuck out. They played that a lot on the radio at the beginning of the Ted Bundy…unpleasantness.

41 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 11, 2015 11:37:56pm

CAT

42 Nyet  Jun 11, 2015 11:42:08pm

So we’ve had moon of Alabama, so let’s try the same with Kentucky
…
while we’re on the way to Oklahoma
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43 allegro  Jun 11, 2015 11:46:47pm

re: #37 allegro

Time and place thing. It has peculiar memories for me.

Okay the story… it was at Bradley U in Peoria, Ilinois in 1971. Went to this guy’s dorm room in Geisert Hall and that song was playing. His roomie was lying on his bunk bed tripping his ass off. Dunno what he’d swallowed but it was real meaningful to him. The guy I went there with was surely hoping to get somewhere with me but his roomie wasn’t helping - kept jumping up and putting that same song on over and over again. I was like, I think I’ll go back to my dorm now, and the guy was like, no stay, we can play a different song. LOL

He didn’t get there that night… or ever… but we all ended up friends in the end.

44 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 11, 2015 11:48:41pm

Welcome to the new new hatchling from the Wonkette Editrix:

45 freetoken  Jun 11, 2015 11:52:58pm

Magical musical memory machine lands in a Disney never-land:

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46 piratedan  Jun 12, 2015 12:16:12am

with my memory not being as good as it used to be… how long ago was Snowden in Hong Kong and would there be any possible correlation to the hack pulled off by the Chinese and the data he shared with them?

47 Kragar  Jun 12, 2015 12:25:12am

re: #44 Eric The Fruit Bat

Has she been sarcastic yet?

48 Kragar  Jun 12, 2015 1:03:27am
49 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2015 1:58:48am

re: #46 piratedan

with my memory not being as good as it used to be… how long ago was Snowden in Hong Kong and would there be any possible correlation to the hack pulled off by the Chinese and the data he shared with them?

He was in HK in spring 2013 sometime. There is a slight chance he provided them with clues to hack the OPM systems, but I doubt he provided them with access codes, etc., since he was in a different branch of the government.

50 freetoken  Jun 12, 2015 2:31:18am

Je$u$ Inc. and the GOP yesterday:

Senator James Inhofe on Climate Change: “God Is Still Up There”

At a conference of climate-change deniers in Washington on Thursday, Oklahoma Senator James Inhofe showed his audience a slide of global temperature trends and said, “If you look, you’ll see God is still up there.”

Bible-waving California lawmaker blames state’s drought on God’s wrath over abortion

California State Assemblywoman Shannon Grove, a Republican, hinted last week that if the drought-stricken state would adopt laws restricting abortions like Texas, God would make it rain.

“Texas was in a long period of drought until Governor Perry signed the fetal pain bill,” RH Reality Check reports she said at the California ProLife Legislative Banquet, held in Sacramento last Monday. “It rained that night. Now God has His hold on California.”

[…]

Take that, you disbelievers in correlative causation!

51 freetoken  Jun 12, 2015 2:47:45am

Meanwhile, the lord of Lies for Lucre, the Baron of Boobs, has his plans in order for his princes:

Murdoch’s sons to become CEO, co-chair at 21st Century Fox

Rupert Murdoch is preparing to hand over the CEO job at Twenty-First Century Fox Inc. to his son, James, while his other son, Lachlan, will become executive co-chairman, according to a person with direct knowledge of the matter.

Murdoch, 84, one of the world’s most powerful media magnates, will become executive chairman and remain deeply involved in the company, while his sons are to run the business in a partnership, the person said.

[…]

The elder Murdoch will retain a grip on the corporation behind Fox News Channel, Fox broadcast network and the 20th Century Fox movie studio through a family trust that owns 38 percent of the voting shares. He has been CEO since 1979 and chairman since 1991.

[…]

52 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2015 3:03:22am

re: #50 freetoken

Je$u$ Inc. and the GOP yesterday:

Senator James Inhofe on Climate Change: “God Is Still Up There”

Bible-waving California lawmaker blames state’s drought on God’s wrath over abortion

Take that, you disbelievers in correlative causation!

More evidence that religion should stay out of public policy making. God did not tell humans, “Just do whatever the fuck you want to the Earth. I’ll take care of it, OK?” God told humans to be stewards. If anything, he said he’d make sure the next time he had to clean things up, he wasn’t going to mess around with global flood waters.

Inhofe and the other God-botherers suck at theology.

53 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 12, 2015 3:22:55am

re: #52 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Inhofe and the other God-botherers suck at theology.

This is something our Founding Fathers understood well: Theology and divining “God’s Will” are highly personal and subjective matters and should never serve as the basis for public laws, but only for a personal moral code.

54 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 3:26:34am

German prosecutors close investigation of alleged US tapping of Chancellor Angela Merkel’s cellphone - @AP
end of alert

55 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 3:38:51am

This is awful, to think that children would be driven to this. It sounds as though the mother may have been abused, and the kids were victims of both parents.

China ‘left behind’ kids take own lives

skynews.com.au

Four siblings, aged between five and 13 and left unattended by their parents for months, apparently took their own lives in southwest China.

The children, a boy and his younger sisters, were found by a villager while struggling with convulsions after drinking pesticide late on Tuesday at their home in Bijie in the remote province of Guizhou, the official Xinhua news agency said, highlighting the plight faced by rural children left behind by their migrant guardians.

(snip)

Offspring of China’s vast army of migrant workers, referred to as “left behind children”, often stay in their rural homes, usually with their ageing grandparents, partly because access to kindergartens and schools in cities is either extremely hard to obtain or expensive.

56 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2015 3:52:35am

re: #55 Justanotherhuman

Guizhou is one of the poorest provinces in China, FWIW. But the situation there is common across China, including where I am. The hukou system means that every citizen can only get local public services in their place of birth. So parents who leave their village to work in factories elsewhere cannot take their kids with them, because the kids can’t attend school near their parents’ place of work. Meanwhile, the big cities fear loosening the system will inundate their school systems with kids from rural provinces.

Grandparents are often illiterate, or maybe got only a grade school education, so they are ill prepared to deal with their grandkids’ education. As a result, many kids are simply terrors to teach, according to my former students who are now teaching in rural schools. The kids see no reason to learn, and with no parental support at home, they can run wild when not in school.

Reformers here are warning that China will have a huge juvenile delinquency problem if the government can’t address this enormous social dilemma.

57 William Lewis  Jun 12, 2015 4:03:47am

re: #52 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Inhofe and the other God-botherers suck at theology.

Can I get an Amen brothers and sisters,?

58 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 4:16:25am

When in ________, observe the local customs and don’t be a douche just because you think you can? Esp in Malaysia where you can step in deep shit easily. It’s not just “ugly Americans” anymore, just more western world “affluenza” generally, I suppose.

Mount Kinabalu naked photo accused plead guilty

bbc.com

59 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 4:18:57am

re: #56 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

This is really an issue that should affect the consciousness of westerners who consume China’s products. It does me.

China isn’t managing itself domestically very well, while the upper class becomes even richer and the poor suffer.

60 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 12, 2015 4:24:20am

G’morning Lizards. I see we’re having a youtube extravaganza. Here’s my contribution:
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61 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2015 4:30:10am

re: #59 Justanotherhuman

This is really an issue that should affect the consciousness of westerners who consume China’s products. It does me.

China isn’t managing itself domestically very well, while the upper class becomes even richer and the poor suffer.

I teach many former “left behind” kids, who managed to do well enough in school and pass the national college entrance exam to enter college. Often, they are the first in their village to attend college. While I am no longer in loco parentis, as I was while a US high school teacher, I sometimes end up being a surrogate parent to some students. They ask me for advice about non-academic stuff, for example. I try to support their activities by attending as many as I can — kind of like Dad going to your school plays.

It’s not in my contract. I just do it because I should.

62 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2015 4:53:55am

It seems @STKnutsen’s Twitter account is back in operation.

63 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 4:54:45am

Wingnut freakout fake outrage of the day:

OMG A WHITE WOMAN PASSED AS BLACK!!!!!!

64 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 4:55:37am

re: #62 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It seems @STKnutsen’s Twitter account is back in operation.

It wasn’t Shannon’s personal account that was suspended, it was the GotNewsResearch that she was curating for Chuck.

65 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 4:56:59am

What a waste!

66 darthstar  Jun 12, 2015 4:57:04am
67 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2015 5:00:55am

re: #64 Lord Of The Pies

It wasn’t Shannon’s personal account that was suspended, it was the GotNewsResearch that she was curating for Chuck.

I thought it had been suspended yesterday. Maybe it was temporary — a shot across the bow, as it were.

68 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 5:03:56am

The round watermelons seem to have taken over the Georgia Rattlesnake melons which used to be ubiquitous in the south.

Georgia Rattlesnake Watermelon
69 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 12, 2015 5:07:01am

re: #68 Justanotherhuman

The round watermelons seem to have taken over the Georgia Rattlesnake melons which used to be ubiquitous in the south.

[Embedded content]

I can only assume it has to do with ease of packaging/transport. The Japanese are still prefecting their work on square melons.

70 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 5:07:13am

re: #54 Justanotherhuman

German prosecutors close investigation of alleged US tapping of Chancellor Angela Merkel’s cellphone - @AP
end of alert

Basically because the US kept mum (of course).

spiegel.de

71 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 5:10:07am

re: #69 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I can only assume it has to do with ease of packaging/transport. The Japanese are still prefecting their work on square melons.

Caged watermelons, who knew? : )

72 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 12, 2015 5:13:05am

re: #71 Justanotherhuman

Caged watermelons, who knew? : )

let my melons go!

73 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 5:13:23am

Yemeni men working to dig families out of their destroyed homes in Sana’a’s Old City

instagram.com

74 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 12, 2015 5:15:55am

Morning, Lizards. Happy Friday.

Into the office a little early today. Might take off early, too, enjoy some of this fine heat and humidity in your nation’s capital.

75 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 12, 2015 5:18:33am

Another day with temps in the 90’s (F) in Germany. Quite hot for the humidity and general lack of domestic AC.

But in general, this weather breaks (usually just in time for our expat July 4th celebration) and turns cool and rainy for the rest of July/August.

76 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 5:23:19am

Also it’s wrong to call the tapping alleged when it was confiirmed to WSJ by WH sources:

wsj.com

WASHINGTON—The National Security Agency ended a program used to spy on German Chancellor Angela Merkel and a number of other world leaders after an internal Obama administration review started this summer revealed to the White House the existence of the operation, U.S. officials said.

[…]

The White House cut off some monitoring programs after learning of them, including the one tracking Ms. Merkel and some other world leaders, a senior U.S. official said. Other programs have been slated for termination but haven’t been phased out completely yet, officials said.

The account suggests President Barack Obama went nearly five years without knowing his own spies were bugging the phones of world leaders. Officials said the NSA has so many eavesdropping operations under way that it wouldn’t have been practical to brief him on all of them.
[…]

Officials said the U.S. already has stopped collection efforts against Ms. Merkel and a number of other world leaders.

When something is a fact, it’s no longer “alleged”, dear AP.

77 Dr Lizardo  Jun 12, 2015 5:24:19am

re: #75 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Another day with temps in the 90’s (F) in Germany. Quite hot for the humidity and general lack of domestic AC.

But in general, this weather breaks (usually just in time for our expat July 4th celebration) and turns cool and rainy for the rest of July/August.

Here it’s about 81 F; possibly thunderstorms tonight, but rain is definitely forecast for Monday, with highs in the upper 60s. Here, it usually rains in July - thunderstorm season - and then August and September are nice, with August typically being pretty hot.

78 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 12, 2015 5:24:37am

re: #76 Nyet

Also it’s wrong to call the tapping alleged when it was confiirmed to WSJ by WH sources:

wsj.com

When something is a fact, it’s no longer “alleged”, dear AP.

The alleged news agency, AP…

79 Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2015 5:32:21am

The Onion is probably upset that they didn’t come up with this headline first:

80 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 5:33:59am

re: #76 Nyet

Also it’s wrong to call the tapping alleged when it was confiirmed to WSJ by WH sources:

wsj.com

When something is a fact, it’s no longer “alleged”, dear AP.

Just more fuel for the far left to hate on Pres Obama.

I wouldn’t trust the far left, nor the far right, to tell the truth about anything.

81 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 5:40:51am
82 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 5:51:50am

re: #80 Justanotherhuman

Just more fuel for the far left to hate on Pres Obama.

I wouldn’t trust the far left, nor the far right, to tell the truth about anything.

Nor far center. ;)

83 goddamnedfrank  Jun 12, 2015 5:54:11am

This woman took a painting class from Dolezal at Hoaward University.

I went and took a look at Dolezal’s painting and mural work and @shannboogie is right, she is very talented. It’s literally like she decided to take the whole “life imitates art” thing to another level.

84 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 5:55:34am
85 goddamnedfrank  Jun 12, 2015 5:57:52am
86 Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2015 5:59:45am
87 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 6:00:09am

This is weird, but, frankly, nothing to be outraged about.

88 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 6:02:01am
89 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 6:03:00am

Tweetdeck is being flaky, I get to a point in my “Sent Tweets” timeline and I can’t scroll past it.

90 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 6:03:19am
91 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 6:04:06am

OFFS this is the STUPIDEST FAKE OUTRAGE EVER

92 Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2015 6:04:14am

re: #87 Nyet

This is weird, but, frankly, nothing to be outraged about.

I haven’t heard whether she did a poor job for NAACP or as a professor. Everyone is focused on her race. Would like to know if she excelled in her positions.

93 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 12, 2015 6:05:41am

re: #87 Nyet

This is weird, but, frankly, nothing to be outraged about.

It makes me feel bad for her, but it’s probably involved a lot of lying to people who thought they had an honest relationship, which isn’t cool.

But that’s between her and them.

94 nearly-headless smith25  Jun 12, 2015 6:09:31am

re: #93 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

It makes me feel bad for her, but it’s probably involved a lot of lying to people who thought they had an honest relationship, which isn’t cool.

But that’s between her and them.

I haven’t gotten involved in the commentary about her yet, but my initial feelings of the situation are looking at her honesty. Like her mindset and her heart are in the right place, but within the current protest movement, and a general idea of equality, honesty is of major importance.

95 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 6:09:45am

re: #91 Lord Of The Pies

OFFS this is the STUPIDEST FAKE OUTRAGE EVER

Yep. She didn’t fake it to become a member of a privileged group.

Also, race is at least partially, if not wholly, a social construct. It figures that some will “bend” the barriers.

96 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 6:12:58am

re: #95 Nyet

Yep. She didn’t fake it to become a member of a privileged group.

Also, race is at least partially, if not wholly, a social construct. It figures that some will “bend” the barriers.

Light-skinned Black people “passed” as white for generations.

97 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 12, 2015 6:18:01am

Meanwhile, things don’t look good in Iraq.

washingtonpost.com

I can’t help thinking the U.S. will become more heavily involved there again and I’m not sure what to think about that.

98 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Jun 12, 2015 6:19:41am

re: #97 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I can’t help thinking the U.S. will become more heavily involved there again and I’m not sure what to think about that.

I know what I think about that. I am getting angry again. I have relatives among the cannon fodder.

99 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 6:21:03am
100 darthstar  Jun 12, 2015 6:26:12am
101 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 12, 2015 6:27:58am

re: #95 Nyet

Yep. She didn’t fake it to become a member of a privileged group.

Also, race is at least partially, if not wholly, a social construct. It figures that some will “bend” the barriers.

It kind of reminds me of a boxer who’s name is slipping my mind for the moment. He was identified as Jewish despite not being Jewish, but since he had a Jewish trainer and a Jewish manager and the ‘identification’ of him came from anti-semites, he went along with it and said that he was Jewish in interviews.

This was back during the time when Jews dominated boxing, so it might have been a little more self-serving than the legend, but he definitely spoke out against anti-semitism pugnaciously.

102 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 6:28:05am

re: #95 Nyet

Labeling race a “social construct” doesn’t erase real oppression, though.

103 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 6:28:20am

Chucky must be gnashing his teeth to stumps over this White Woman Passed For Black

104 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 12, 2015 6:29:06am

re: #103 Lord Of The Pies

Chucky must be gnashing his teeth to stumps over this White Woman Passed For Black

Which reminds me, think I’ll go over to CCJ’s Twitter to see what he’s saying about all this….oh wait

105 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 6:30:00am

Ben Shapiro is filling in for Chuck in the Twitter Idiocy department

106 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 12, 2015 6:32:01am

She was harassed because of her perceived race, though. People thought she was black, so she got treated as black.

Does Shapiro think the police have, like, real race sensors or something?

107 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 12, 2015 6:32:13am

re: #105 Lord Of The Pies

Ben Shapiro is filling in for Chuck in the Twitter Idiocy department

Oh, Ben.

Hurr hurr this means none of the blacks killed or assaulted by police matter and the whole all The Left is the stupid. All your arguments is unvalidated!

108 Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2015 6:32:53am
109 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 6:34:00am
110 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 12, 2015 6:34:14am

re: #105 Lord Of The Pies

#RachelDolezal complained about police harassing her because of race. #BlackLivesMatter, people.

Not sure why African Americans wouldn’t want to be involved with any party or movement made up of people like Ben.

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111 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 6:34:29am

How wingnuts are “just asking questions” if she received scholarships or affirmative action.

112 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2015 6:35:47am

re: #111 Lord Of The Pies

How wingnuts are “just asking questions” if she received scholarships or affirmative action.

All y’all need is one drop.

113 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 12, 2015 6:35:48am

re: #109 Lord Of The Pies

Unbridled. Sometimes Ben’s joy is bridled. How unfortunate.

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114 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 6:37:18am

re: #102 Justanotherhuman

Labeling race a “social construct” doesn’t erase real oppression, though.

Isn’t that an argument TERFs use against people like Caitlyn Jenner?

Besides, as pointed out above, she was oppressed.

115 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 12, 2015 6:37:36am

re: #111 Lord Of The Pies

How wingnuts are “just asking questions” if she received scholarships or affirmative action.

hurr hurr Eliminate all affirmative action racial scholarships because you can’t proves anyone is Black!!!!11

116 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 6:39:16am

Ben just went Birther==>

117 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 12, 2015 6:41:47am

re: #116 Lord Of The Pies

Ben just went Birther==>

I’m glad wingnuts don’t care that much about race and are just concerned about character.

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118 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 6:44:15am

Stupidest Man On The Internet Shows Us How Stupid He Is==>

119 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 6:49:09am

Race/ethnicity, apart from being social constructs to a significant degree, are also personal constructs. There are no objective rules for determining them.

I once made a list of high-level Bolshevik/communist party functionaries with their ethnicities in brackets to debunk a well-known antisemitic claim. I listed Kamenev (Rozenfeld) as Jewish, to which someone objected that he didn’t count since only his father was Jewish, and traditionally Jewishness is determined by the mother. To which I replied that Kamenev self-identified as Jewish (judging by his party card) and that maternal lineage is a religious requirement which doesn’t necessary hold for those who aren’t adherents of Judaism.

The fact is, we were both right. We just subjectively chose different criteria.

120 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 6:49:11am
121 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 6:52:31am

The reason for this freakout is that wingnuts consider Rachel Dolesal a “race traitor”

122 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2015 6:52:47am

re: #120 Lord Of The Pies

Someday, Ben will wake up and realize on some future Yom Kippur that he has a lot of shit to atone for.

123 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 12, 2015 6:53:03am

re: #120 Lord Of The Pies

Ben’s gonna knock himself out with stupid before noon if he’s not careful.

124 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 12, 2015 6:53:49am

re: #119 Nyet

Italians, Poles, Irish—didn’t used to be ‘white’. To most Americans surprised, North Africans, Arabs, and Persians are all ‘white’ according to the US government.

If the Right wing wants to use this moment to have a discussion about race in America, I’m all for it.

But they don’t.

125 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 6:54:03am

Rachel Dolezal in 2009. She’s about as “Black” as I am. Just another self-promoter who found a schtick.

The Real Rachel Dolezal
126 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 6:55:44am

Oh. Now I’m seeing a bunch of Blacks on Twitter are not cool with Rachel.

127 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 12, 2015 6:55:55am

What’s a lot more troubling is that she sent herself fake threatening letters. That is both a waste of police resources, and trivializes those who get real threats.

128 Timothy Watson  Jun 12, 2015 6:56:32am

re: #122 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Someday, Ben will wake up and realize on some future Yom Kippur that he has a lot of shit to atone for.

I guess he skips the Erev Yom Kippur part of Yom Kippur?

129 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 12, 2015 6:56:38am

re: #126 Lord Of The Pies

Oh. Now I’m seeing a bunch of Blacks on Twitter are not cool with Rachel.

This might confuse Ben.

130 Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2015 6:56:40am
131 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 6:57:25am
132 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 6:57:47am
133 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 12, 2015 6:58:41am

re: #126 Lord Of The Pies

Oh. Now I’m seeing a bunch of Blacks on Twitter are not cool with Rachel.

The thing is, she didn’t just say she was black. she lied about a lot of stuff. She created an entire fictional persona, including claims that she was born in a tipi, hunted animals for food with a bow and arrow, etc. etc. She hasn’t just identified as black, she’s supported it with a ton of lies.

I’m always fascinated by people who do this. It used to be a lot easier—back before we had records that followed us around, people could abandon their old identities, move somewhere else, and claim a new history. I think that this is one of the reasons why ‘manners’ and stuff like what cutlery to use used to be really important: it was to prevent people from pretending they were from a class that they weren’t.

134 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 12, 2015 6:58:41am

re: #127 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

What’s a lot more troubling is that she sent herself fake threatening letters. That is both a waste of police resources, and trivializes those who get real threats.

Yeah that would be very much not OK.

135 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 6:59:30am

re: #126 Lord Of The Pies

You may be able to steal “identity” but you can’t steal oppression.

136 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 12, 2015 6:59:47am

re: #133 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

The thing is, she didn’t just say she was black. she lied about a lot of stuff. She created an entire fictional persona, including claims that she was born in a tipi, hunted animals for food with a bow and arrow, etc. etc. She hasn’t just identified as black, she’s supported it with a ton of lies.

I’m always fascinated by people who do this. It used to be a lot easier—back before we had records that followed us around, people could abandon their old identities, move somewhere else, and claim a new history. I think that this is one of the reasons why ‘manners’ and stuff like what cutlery to use used to be really important: it was to prevent people from pretending they were from a class that they weren’t.

A lot of effort to do that kind of stuff.

137 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 7:00:34am
138 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 7:03:04am

re: #133 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

The thing is, she didn’t just say she was black. she lied about a lot of stuff. She created an entire fictional persona, including claims that she was born in a tipi, hunted animals for food with a bow and arrow, etc. etc.

Wait, she actually said that? I thought that was wingnuts making fun of her.

That really is fucked up.

139 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 7:05:36am

re: #109 Lord Of The Pies

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Man what a fucking dick.

140 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 7:06:18am

re: #133 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

Yes, the most disturbing aspect is not racial. Lies are always bad.

141 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 7:07:57am

re: #133 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

The thing is, she didn’t just say she was black. she lied about a lot of stuff. She created an entire fictional persona, including claims that she was born in a tipi, hunted animals for food with a bow and arrow, etc. etc. She hasn’t just identified as black, she’s supported it with a ton of lies.

I’m always fascinated by people who do this. It used to be a lot easier—back before we had records that followed us around, people could abandon their old identities, move somewhere else, and claim a new history. I think that this is one of the reasons why ‘manners’ and stuff like what cutlery to use used to be really important: it was to prevent people from pretending they were from a class that they weren’t.

I was reading that she passed off her adopted brothers as her sons. Sheesh what a mess. That’s an interesting point about manners and decorum. I had never thought about that. It’s good to see you this morning Obdi.

142 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 7:09:10am

But: Stop the press, human lied!

:)

143 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 7:10:17am

What pisses me off about this is she discredits as already said real threats and crap that African-American people go through. Rachel could have still be an effective voice against the discrimination of black people she chose to make up all these lies. I don’t care that she pretended to be black. So called passing has existed for years and people have always identified with other cultures but it pisses me off that she did a lot of lying and thus discrediting a lot of good people in the process.

144 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 7:12:28am

re: #130 Dr. Matt

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Little Ben has no room at all here to talk given he works for Breitbart which has done all sorts of dishonest bullshit too. So go ahead Ben, use this to rail against “leftism” and I’ll gladly point out that your website’s name sake attempt to ruin Shirley Sherrod.

145 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2015 7:12:43am

re: #143 HappyWarrior

What pisses me off about this is she discredits as already said real threats and crap that African-American people go through. Rachel could have still be an effective voice against the discrimination of black people she chose to make up all these lies. I don’t care that she pretended to be black. So called passing has existed for years and people have always identified with other cultures but it pisses me off that she did a lot of lying and thus discrediting a lot of good people in the process.

How long did she seriously expect to continue this charade before someone found out she was a fraud?

146 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2015 7:12:54am

re: #119 Nyet

Race/ethnicity, apart from being social constructs to a significant degree, are also personal constructs. There are no objective rules for determining them.

I once made a list of high-level Bolshevik/communist party functionaries with their ethnicities in brackets to debunk a well-known antisemitic claim. I listed Kamenev (Rozenfeld) as Jewish, to which someone objected that he didn’t count since only his father was Jewish, and traditionally Jewishness is determined by the mother. To which I replied that Kamenev self-identified as Jewish (judging by his party card) and that maternal lineage is a religious requirement which doesn’t necessary hold for those who aren’t adherents of Judaism.

The fact is, we were both right. We just subjectively chose different criteria.

With any effort we could find four or five definitions of race, all more or less useful. One could be based on physiology, probably the least useful. There are certainly real-world legal definitions, carrying hard benefits and deficits. There is sociological race, on which social engineering efforts are based, and cultural definitions that rely heavily on self-identification and community consensus. So race is real and unreal simultaneously, like a cat.

My favorite perspective is Brazilian, with a great number of very permeable linguistic distinctions. “Money makes the skin lighter.”

This Seattle case might lead to some interesting definitional revisions.

147 goddamnedfrank  Jun 12, 2015 7:12:54am

re: #133 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

Right. Like I have no idea what exactly is going on in this image, but it seems exploitative as all hell.

In any event, given the nature of her fraud there’s no way that any of that was a good idea.

148 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 7:13:24am

re: #145 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

How long did she seriously expect to continue this charade before someone found out she was a fraud?

Honestly I have no idea. Crazy.

149 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 7:13:31am

re: #140 Nyet

Well, it’s both.

She’s white and lied about it for whatever gain she thought she could get.

A total fraud.

You can be white and listen to Black people, but you can never come from where they are and lead them in overcoming their oppression. The history is there, and that can’t ever be changed.

And I absolutely feel the same way about the oppression of women, along with the divide between Black and White women, and even class/caste. Men can be empathic or whatever you want to call it, but they can never experience the entirety of women’s lives. Just as women can’t that of men.

150 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2015 7:15:12am

re: #147 goddamnedfrank

Right. Like I have no idea what exactly is going on in this image, but it seems exploitative as all hell.

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In any event, given the nature of her fraud there’s no way that any of that was a good idea.

From the artifacts, identifiable members of the Lycra tribe.

151 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 12, 2015 7:15:14am
152 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 12, 2015 7:16:09am

re: #149 Justanotherhuman

Well, it’s both.

She’s white and lied about it for whatever gain she thought she could get.

We don’t know it was for gain, though. She may have gone down this road for other reasons than wanting to get ahead, she may have had the ‘best’ intentions while being an idiot.

153 Timothy Watson  Jun 12, 2015 7:17:22am

re: #145 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

How long did she seriously expect to continue this charade before someone found out she was a fraud?

You see that a lot with people who try to pull off cons (for lack of a better word) or mentally ill, they’re just keep coming up with crazier and crazier stories or adding new details to one they told previously.

154 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 7:17:26am

re: #152 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

Read her timeline. Most of it is about selling her “art”.

155 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2015 7:17:30am

re: #152 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

We don’t know it was for gain, though. She may have gone down this road for other reasons than wanting to get ahead, she may have had the ‘best’ intentions while being an idiot.

She was born a poor white child…

156 goddamnedfrank  Jun 12, 2015 7:18:46am

And again, by all accounts she’s a very talented artist. Here’s her blogspot page. There’s no reason with her portfolio and MFA degree that she couldn’t have made a good living as a freelance illustrator. That kind of work largely gets done over the internet today, she could have done that even while living in artistically and culturally impoverished Spokane.

I don’t get it at all.

157 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 7:18:47am

re: #143 HappyWarrior

Given that this will be ascribed to a disturbed white woman, the harm won’t be great.

158 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 7:19:04am

re: #154 Justanotherhuman

Read her timeline. Most of it is about selling her “art”.

So this is Performance Art.

159 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 7:19:29am

re: #157 Nyet

Given that this will be ascribed to a disturbed white woman, the harm won’t be great.

True.

160 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 7:19:43am

Wingnuts are comparing her to Elizabeth Warren now.

161 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 12, 2015 7:20:24am

re: #154 Justanotherhuman

Read her timeline. Most of it is about selling her “art”.

Her art is pretty damn good, and she was successful as an artist back when she identified as white, too.

I know quite a lot of people who have pretended to be black online in order to confront racists—I know others who have pretended to be black in order to make shitty conservative arguments and pretend that black people supported them. Neither are good, but I can sympathize with the former.

Hell, when I used to play online FPSs, I reacted to the torrent of people calling me “faggot” by saying, “Yep, I am. You just got owned by a gay dude. And here I am owning you again.” I don’t feel bad about this.

162 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2015 7:20:37am

re: #158 Lord Of The Pies

So this is Performance Art.

Bad timing, though. The TPGOP Primary Happening will drive it out of critical consciousness.

163 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 7:21:11am

re: #156 goddamnedfrank

And again, by all accounts she’s a very talented artist. Here’s her blogspot page. There’s no reason with her portfolio and MFA degree that she couldn’t have made a good living as a freelance illustrator. That kind of work largely gets done over the internet today, she could have done that even while living in artistically and culturally impoverished Spokane.

I don’t get it at all.

That makes me think about all the “memoirists” whose stories turn out to be bs and I am always “You obviously have a gift for words so why not be a fiction writer instead.” I don’t get it either.

164 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2015 7:21:20am

re: #157 Nyet

Given that this will be ascribed to a disturbed white woman, the harm won’t be great.

The “Lone Cougar” theory?

165 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 7:21:44am

re: #160 Lord Of The Pies

Wingnuts are comparing her to Elizabeth Warren now.

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I thought they would do that. Idiots.

166 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 7:22:29am

re: #162 Decatur Deb

Bad timing, though. The TPGOP Primary Happening will drive it out of critical consciousness.

Yes, it will.

167 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 7:22:48am

re: #160 Lord Of The Pies

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That doesn’t even rise to this level.

Lots of people have Native American blood to some degree (like me, thinned out considerably), but it’s not enough to make a claim for purposes of affirmative action, and that’s not what Warren did.

168 Timothy Watson  Jun 12, 2015 7:23:25am

re: #160 Lord Of The Pies

Wingnuts are comparing her to Elizabeth Warren now.

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At least she never falsely claimed to be at the liberation of a concentration camp, like one former GOP President did.

169 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 7:23:48am

re: #163 HappyWarrior

That makes me think about all the “memoirists” whose stories turn out to be bs and I am always “You obviously have a gift for words so why not be a fiction writer instead.” I don’t get it either.

It is easier to get published in non-fiction than in fiction.

170 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2015 7:24:19am

Poking around the ‘Net about her, I came across this 2010 article from Idaho.

cdapress.com

Seems she resigned from a human rights organization claiming discrimination, but her superiors claimed she made demands for promotion that they couldn’t meet.

I’m wondering if she’s just a compulsive liar whose lies finally caught up with ther.

171 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 12, 2015 7:24:24am

re: #160 Lord Of The Pies

Wingnuts are comparing her to Elizabeth Warren now.

It wasn’t, Dana. Kthanks bye.

172 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 7:24:40am

I have a confession to make. I have been “passing” as a ginger for years.

I don’t really have red hair and no one in my family has red hair.

173 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 7:24:45am

re: #161 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

I just don’t think it’s honest for someone to pretend they’re not just to make a point.

Sometimes people online used to think I was a guy, until I immediately set them straight.

174 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 7:25:31am

re: #149 Justanotherhuman

If she honestly identifies as black in her mind, it’s her prerogative and not a scandal, it’s not much different from a biological male identifying as female. A biological male won’t experience the oppression until she comes out as a female, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t treat her as a female, right?

The way Rachel chose to go about it publicly is of course inexcusable.

175 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 7:26:04am

re: #168 Timothy Watson

At least she never falsely claimed to be at the liberation of a concentration camp, like one former GOP President did.

Can you imagine if a Democratic presidential candidate had did that? Yeesh.Reagan wasn’t even in Europe during the war.

176 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 7:26:27am

re: #171 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

It wasn’t, Dana. Kthanks bye.

Elizabeth Warren never claimed to be Native American in order to get a special scholarship or a job. This is bullshit that wingnuts made up.

177 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2015 7:26:51am

re: #172 Lord Of The Pies

I have a confession to make. I have been “passing” as a ginger for years.

I don’t really have red hair and no one in my family has red hair.

I can be anything I want to be—Bastard’s Privilege.

178 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 7:27:00am

re: #170 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Poking around the ‘Net about her, I came across this 2010 article from Idaho.

cdapress.com

Seems she resigned from a human rights organization claiming discrimination, but her superiors claimed she made demands for promotion that they couldn’t meet.

I’m wondering if she’s just a compulsive liar whose lies finally caught up with ther.

I think that’s what this is here.

179 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 7:28:12am

Yep, Ben is the New Chuck==>

180 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 12, 2015 7:28:14am

re: #160 Lord Of The Pies

Wingnuts are comparing her to Elizabeth Warren now.

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OFFS.

181 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 7:28:28am

re: #170 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Some people just can’t take “no” for an answer. And I’m assuming this was when she was still a “white woman” and not posing. This was about power and money and she simply didn’t appear to have the qualifications.

“Dolezal said she submitted a written proposal to the Human Rights Education Institute’s board last week suggesting they give her compensation and authority equivalent to that of the executive director’s position. She gave the board three days to make a decision, and offered her two weeks’ notice if they did not accept her proposal.

“Muehlbach wouldn’t discuss the proposal, but said, “She made some demands that we weren’t able to accept.”

182 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 12, 2015 7:28:38am

re: #160 Lord Of The Pies

Wingnuts are comparing her to Elizabeth Warren now.

Not sure what the wingnuts expect to get out of this, other than to publicize even more how much they abhor African Americans (and other racial and demographic minorities in general), public policies that might benefit African Americans, and any person or group who acts on their behalf.

183 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 7:28:52am

Didn’t Warren tell a family anecdote about her great grandparents being Cherokee or something? A family legend if you will which given her roots in Oklahoma wouldn’t have shocked me if it was true though it’s come out that she had no close Cherokee ancestors.

184 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 12, 2015 7:29:24am

re: #179 Lord Of The Pies

Yep, Ben is the New Chuck==>

Because, why not, let’s just add some misogyny to our racism.

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185 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 7:29:46am

re: #179 Lord Of The Pies

Yep, Ben is the New Chuck==>

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He really is a squirmy little asshole. Really Ben just shut the fuck already.

186 goddamnedfrank  Jun 12, 2015 7:30:11am

The student of Dolezal’s whose tweets I embedded above, @shannboogie, is a Creative Director for Grey in New York. She’s the one who said Dolezal was “a beast of an artist” and said her work was “scary good.”

You can’t tell me that as an instructor at Howard who had made that good of an impression that Dolezal couldn’t have made an excellent living as a freelance illustrator.

187 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 7:30:27am

I guess Benny saw that Chucky got canned and he was eager to take his place in the “biggest wingnut dickhead on TWitter.”

188 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 7:30:31am

Warren never faked anything. It’s unlikely she has Native roots, but she honestly believed in a family legend.

189 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 7:30:54am

re: #183 HappyWarrior

Didn’t Warren tell a family anecdote about her great grandparents being Cherokee or something? A family legend if you will which given her roots in Oklahoma wouldn’t have shocked me if it was true though it’s come out that she had no close Cherokee ancestors.

She said she thought she MIGHT have some Native American ancestors. She DID NOT claim any scholarships or affirmative action positions set aside for Native Americans.

190 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 7:31:29am

re: #174 Nyet

I disagree and stand by my statement.

191 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 12, 2015 7:31:46am

re: #187 HappyWarrior

I guess Benny saw that Chucky got canned and he was eager to take his place in the “biggest wingnut dickhead on TWitter.”

[CCJ]Hey, over here, look at ME!!!!1 [/CCJ]

192 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2015 7:32:40am

re: #187 HappyWarrior

I guess Benny saw that Chucky got canned and he was eager to take his place in the “biggest wingnut dickhead on TWitter.”

Tough race through a crowded field.

193 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 7:32:48am

re: #187 HappyWarrior

I guess Benny saw that Chucky got canned and he was eager to take his place in the “biggest wingnut dickhead on TWitter.”

Ben hasn’t asked for money or doxxed anyone.

194 Timothy Watson  Jun 12, 2015 7:33:04am

re: #188 Nyet

Warren never faked anything. It’s unlikely she has Native roots, but she honestly believed in a family legend.

Yep, and a bunch of lizards have posted on here about how they deconstructed family legends while doing genealogical research.

195 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 7:33:10am

re: #189 Lord Of The Pies

She said she thought she MIGHT have some Native American ancestors. She DID NOT claim any scholarships or affirmative action positions set aside for Native Americans.

Right, worlds different. I think we all have similar family legends that we heard from older relatives as kids. Likening Senator Warren to what Rachel did is fucking absurd is my point here. I was just trying to remember exactly what happened with Warren and it seems that my memory is mostly correct.

196 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 12, 2015 7:33:33am

re: #193 Lord Of The Pies

Ben hasn’t asked for money or doxxed anyone.

Ben’s got that wingnut welfare money.

197 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 7:33:44am

Ben is projecting a bunch of shit onto an imaginary thing he calls “The Left”

198 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 7:34:48am

re: #190 Justanotherhuman

I disagree and stand by my statement.

You disagree that trans people should be treated as who they say they are? Oh kay…

199 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 12, 2015 7:34:55am

re: #197 Lord Of The Pies

Ben is projecting a bunch of shit onto an imaginary thing he calls “The Left”

We WORSHIPPED her!!!!

Never heard of her till this morning, but….

200 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 7:35:25am

re: #197 Lord Of The Pies

Ben is projecting a bunch of shit onto an imaginary thing he calls “The Left”

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Who the fuck on the “left” worshiped her, Ben? I had never even heard of this lady and I wager most everyone here hadn’t until the story broke out. But we can talk about a conservative who people on the right really do worship in Reagan that claimed that he was present for the liberation of a concentration camp. Or Pat Robertson who has had much more influence on the right claiming to be a combat Korean War veteran.

201 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2015 7:35:33am

re: #199 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

We WORSHIPPED her!!!!

Never heard of her till this morning, but….

She’s world-famous in Seattle.

202 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 7:36:06am

re: #199 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

We WORSHIPPED her!!!!

Never heard of her till this morning, but….

I know, right? It’s like Saul Alinsky. Another person I never heard of until they became the right’s boogeyman.

203 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 7:36:18am

re: #189 Lord Of The Pies

Well, it wasn’t “might”, she claimed to be one.

204 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 12, 2015 7:36:23am

re: #173 Justanotherhuman

I just don’t think it’s honest for someone to pretend they’re not just to make a point.

It’s tautologically not honest. But there is a difference between, say identifying as Hispanic to get a loan meant for Hispanic people, and pretending to be Hispanic and speaking out against racism against Hispanics.

This woman told a hell of a lot of other lies, though, and, as I said, faked threatening letters to herself. That’s the most fucked-up thing to me, far, far outstripping pretending to be another race.

That so many people are focusing on the race thing rather than “Faked threatening letters” thing is weird to me, but it does show how important race remains in the US. Post-racial my bouncy black ass.

(note: Ass not black, nor bouncy.)

205 Timothy Watson  Jun 12, 2015 7:37:21am

re: #200 HappyWarrior

Who the fuck on the “left” worshiped her, Ben? I had never even heard of this lady and I wager most everyone here hadn’t until the story broke out. But we can talk about a conservative who people on the right really do worship in Reagan that claimed that he was present for the liberation of a concentration camp. Or Pat Robertson who has had much more influence on the right claiming to be a combat Korean War veteran.

And I am sure that by the end of the year, 99% of Americans still will never have heard of her.

206 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 7:38:05am

re: #205 Timothy Watson

And I am sure that by the end of the year,week 99% of Americans still will never have heard of her.

207 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 12, 2015 7:39:56am

re: #197 Lord Of The Pies

Ben is projecting a bunch of shit onto an imaginary thing he calls “The Left”

Which is totally different than wingnuts who worship the various radio talk show hosts, former neurosurgeons who hate Obama and Obamacare, etc.

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208 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 7:40:14am

Michael Twitty as usual nails it==>

209 darthstar  Jun 12, 2015 7:40:19am
210 #FergusonFireside  Jun 12, 2015 7:40:29am

One thing I learned last night from twitter was that the native American so famous for that commercial for the environment with a tear running down his cheek, was a 100% Italian actor.

211 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 12, 2015 7:40:50am

re: #197 Lord Of The Pies

Ben is projecting a bunch of shit onto an imaginary thing he calls “The Left”

Maybe Ben and Dana think Deray and BlackLivesMatter will go away now.

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212 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 12, 2015 7:41:42am

re: #203 Nyet

Well, it wasn’t “might”, she claimed to be one.

Trans people in general don’t claim to not have been born with the biological sex they were, and in fact often make the point that that biological sex doesn’t match their gender and that that’s why they face problems. Not all trans people want to ‘pass’ as members of the opposite sex, a lot of them identify publicly as trans, with that identification being important to them.

Now, I do think you’re onto something interesting that in the US, anyway, someone saying they were born white but identified as black, publically, would have that identification rejected by nearly everyone, rejected by racists as threatening to their race-is-important-view, and rejected by at least a lot of black people as “you don’t have the history to claim that, you didn’t undergo a black childhood”.

213 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 7:41:57am

re: #204 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

I listen to the response by Black people themselves.

And they’re not happy with this.

What I, or any white person, says about it is pretty irrelevant.

214 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 12, 2015 7:42:36am

re: #207 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Which is totally different than wingnuts who worship the various radio talk show hosts, former neurosurgeons who hate Obama and Obamacare, etc.

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And totally different from the wingnut worship that regularly occurs at the various conservatives for American values confabs that are put on about every or other month.

215 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 7:43:50am

re: #212 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

Trans people in general don’t claim to not have been born with the biological sex they were, and in fact often make the point that that biological sex doesn’t match their gender and that that’s why they face problems. Not all trans people want to ‘pass’ as members of the opposite sex, a lot of them identify publicly as trans, with that identification being important to them.

Now, I do think you’re onto something interesting that in the US, anyway, someone saying they were born white but identified as black, publically, would have that identification rejected by nearly everyone, rejected by racists as threatening to their race-is-important-view, and rejected by at least a lot of black people as “you don’t have the history to claim that, you didn’t undergo a black childhood”.

Mark Twain’s “Pudd’nhead Wilson” over a century ahead of its time.

216 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 12, 2015 7:45:35am

re: #210 #FergusonFireside (YT: Family Guy - Religion)

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One thing I learned last night from twitter was that the native American so famous for that commercial for the environment with a tear running down his cheek, was a 100% Italian actor.

And in a sort of inversion to that, a ton of people don’t know that Will Rogers had American Indian ancestry, even though he was never shy about it.

217 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 7:46:16am

All of wingnuttia is jumping onto this dogpile, except for Chucky who’s crying in a corner and wetting his pants.

218 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 12, 2015 7:46:27am
Republican Party officials in Iowa have voted to cancel the decades-old Iowa Straw Poll, amid waning interest from GOP presidential candidates.

foxnews.com

Oh well, no clown car parade in Iowa this Summer.

219 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 12, 2015 7:47:23am

re: #217 Lord Of The Pies

All of wingnuttia is jumping onto this dogpile, except for Chucky who’s crying in a corner and wetting his pants.

CCJ is over on Friendster. Let’s see what he’s saying about it.

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220 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 12, 2015 7:48:06am

re: #217 Lord Of The Pies

All of wingnuttia is jumping onto this dogpile, except for Chucky who’s crying in a corner and wetting his pants.

And Bryan J Fischer can pretend to be a Christian.

221 darthstar  Jun 12, 2015 7:48:10am

re: #147 goddamnedfrank

Right. Like I have no idea what exactly is going on in this image, but it seems exploitative as all hell.

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In any event, given the nature of her fraud there’s no way that any of that was a good idea.

Okay, so she’s a white woman pretending to be a black woman pretending to be a Native American.

Yes, she’s easy to mock…even Ben Shapiro is capable of it, though he thinks he’s insulting black people because she worked for the NAACP. He doesn’t get that she’s a white woman from Idaho. But she apparently did good work for the NAACP.

222 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 7:48:21am

WHUT it just got weirder

223 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2015 7:48:37am

re: #217 Lord Of The Pies

All of wingnuttia is jumping onto this dogpile, except for Chucky who’s crying in a corner and wetting his pants.

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Let them howl. She’s not going to be on the 2016 ticket.

224 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 12, 2015 7:49:14am

re: #213 Justanotherhuman

I listen to the response by Black people themselves.

And they’re not happy with this.

What I, or any white person, says about it is pretty irrelevant.

I’m not sure how this is a response to what I said.

To quote from the article Alouette cited above:

Is this a question of fantasy? Delusion? Is the mantle of being a “strong Black woman” critical to her soul view? Right now a lot of African Americans are confused by this story. Does she want “everything but the burden”? Or is the burden what she craves? We are bemused and befuddled but this is for sure, if Rachel wanted in on the tribe, there were much easier ways to achieve that.

…

If you look at it from that perspective, it’s not hard to go a little soft on Rachel. White culture in America is a victim of its own urge to be Israel Zangwill’s “melting pot.” Black culture despite losing an enormous amount during our forced exile and humiliating assimilation process became meaningful and rich and interesting because it had goals and movements and aspirations. White culture’s urge towards appropriation rather than assimilation is not a surprise, it’s a symptom.

I wish Rachel Dolezal well in her search for her authentic self. Maybe she is the tan sister with the mixed-chick hair. Maybe she’s going to have a change of heart in how she expresses herself. Either way, her contributions for the good have been appreciated and if she wants in on our tribe, her application is already filled out.

Black people don’t have monolithic views.

225 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2015 7:49:25am

re: #222 Lord Of The Pies

WHUT it just got weirder

Her own family says she’s white, with European ancestry, AFAIK.

226 Timothy Watson  Jun 12, 2015 7:49:35am

You know, I just don’t have any fucks to give.

227 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2015 7:50:04am

re: #221 darthstar

Okay, so she’s a white woman pretending to be a black woman pretending to be a Native American.

Yes, she’s easy to mock…even Ben Shapiro is capable of it, though he thinks he’s insulting black people because she worked for the NAACP. He doesn’t get that she’s a white woman from Idaho. But she apparently did good work for the NAACP.

NAACP has never been an all-AA organization.

228 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 12, 2015 7:50:17am

re: #223 Decatur Deb

Let them howl. She’s not going to be on the 2016 ticket.

Yeah but, but…something something race, inequality, something…

229 goddamnedfrank  Jun 12, 2015 7:50:32am

re: #204 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

It’s tautologically not honest. But there is a difference between, say identifying as Hispanic to get a loan meant for Hispanic people, and pretending to be Hispanic and speaking out against racism against Hispanics.

This woman told a hell of a lot of other lies, though, and, as I said, faked threatening letters to herself. That’s the most fucked-up thing to me, far, far outstripping pretending to be another race.

That so many people are focusing on the race thing rather than “Faked threatening letters” thing is weird to me, but it does show how important race remains in the US. Post-racial my bouncy black ass.

(note: Ass not black, nor bouncy.)

A lot of the anger comes from the appropriation that her lies accomplished more than the lies themselves. That Dolezal took jobs that otherwise would have gone to a black person. It’s seen as theft and part of a larger context where a white dominated establishment profits inordinately off of black culture while doing nothing substantial to dismantle structural racism. I can totally understand this point of view.

230 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 7:52:00am

re: #224 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

No, but Black people have a shared culture, a culture of oppression.

I think he’s wrong in his conclusions, but it doesn’t matter since I’m a white woman.

231 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 7:54:21am

Ben is really going all out to claim Chuck’s vacated space

232 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 7:55:25am

“Privilege” is not always earned, but sometimes stolen, esp by the dominant race, sex and class.

233 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 7:56:04am

Now wingnuts think HURR HURR BUT RACHEL DOLEZAL!!!!!! is an automatic argument-invalidator, just like HURR HURR BUT AL SHARPTON!!!!!!

234 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 7:56:10am

re: #231 Lord Of The Pies

Ben is really going all out to claim Chuck’s vacated space

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Asshat.

235 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 7:56:19am

re: #212 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

Sure, the cases are not causally symmetrical - when a person with light skin self-identifies as black, it’s an issue of socialization rather than innate drive.

But if the end result is analogous…

236 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 12, 2015 7:57:09am

re: #230 Justanotherhuman

No, but Black people have a shared culture, a culture of oppression.

I think he’s wrong in his conclusions, but it doesn’t matter since I’m a white woman.

Okay. Then, by your logic, what I’m saying is that you saying this:

re: #213 Justanotherhuman

I listen to the response by Black people themselves.

And they’re not happy with this.

Is going against your own views, because you’re speaking for black people. I mean, i’m not claiming any black person is ‘happy’ about this, but ‘not happy’ as an idiom isn’t the inverse of happy.

I completely agree that the most important response to this comes from the black community, but I am absolutely sure it will be complex, layered, and not sum-uppable in a sentence.

237 darthstar  Jun 12, 2015 7:57:36am

Same sex couple threatens not to give a shit if other couple divorces.

In response to threats from a Canberra couple to divorce were equal marriage laws to pass, a local couple in a committed same-sex relationship have in turn threatened to absolutely not give the slightest shit were that to happen.

Local couple Brett and Harry have said that while they are not heterophobic and do their best to be open to all different kinds of views if this divorce does go ahead they will have no choice but to go on with their lives completely unaffected by such a dumb stunt.

238 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 7:59:04am
239 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 8:00:55am

re: #236 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

Explain why you think I’m “speaking for black people”?

They speak for themselves.

240 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 12, 2015 8:01:03am

re: #235 Nyet

Sure, the cases are not causally symmetrical - when a person with light skin self-identifies as black, it’s an issue of socialization rather than innate drive.

But if the end result is analogous…

The end result is not always analogous. It’s only analogous for a ‘passing’ trans person who conceals their original biological sex. In my experience, this is rare, most of my trans friends are open about having been born with the biological sex they were. It is generally important to them to identify in that way, in order to make others aware of the issue of transexuality.

If she had been honest about having been white, but identifying as black—well, like I said, I don’t think it would be accepted in the US, but it’d be a lot more analogous.

Now, there definitely are trans people who completely ‘pass’, and consider their original biological gender irrelevant and conceal it, without being dishonest, just completely invested in their gender identification. In that case, the analogy is there. I’m just saying when you open up the trans issue as an analogy you’re adding in a whole other spectrum of issues that will just be confusing rather than clarifying. As part of a discussion it’s interesting, but the analogy doesn’t clarify the situation.

241 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 12, 2015 8:01:41am

re: #239 Justanotherhuman

Explain why you think I’m “speaking for black people”?

They speak for themselves.

Because you said “They are not happy with this”.

242 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2015 8:02:48am

It would be very nice if the biggest worry in the AA community were too many whites passing for black.

243 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 8:03:53am

re: #241 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

Read the tweets.

244 darthstar  Jun 12, 2015 8:04:10am
245 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 8:06:40am

re: #244 darthstar

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Throw in Ben Carson and Allen West

246 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2015 8:07:13am

Y’know, despite her really great cornrows, I’ve always had my doubts about Miley Cyrus.

247 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 12, 2015 8:07:20am

re: #243 Justanotherhuman

I have. As I said, black people are not monolithic, nor do they have monolithic views. That’s why I quoted the article I did.

I’m not sure what you’re not understanding about what I’m saying. All that I am saying is that saying the phrase “Black people are X” or “Black people feel X” isn’t something that a non-black person should say (or, really, a black person, but for different reasons), and I think you actually agree.

You can say “A lot of black people aren’t happy with this”, and that’s non-problematic. But if you say “black people aren’t happy with this”, you turn them from a collection of individuals with individual views, into a monolithic block identified solely by race.

248 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 8:08:33am
249 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 8:10:19am

While y’all were freaking out over Rachel Dolezal this happened==>

250 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 12, 2015 8:10:59am

re: #231 Lord Of The Pies

Ben is really going all out to claim Chuck’s vacated space

Gosh we just can’t get anything past Ben. He’s a super sharp guy.

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251 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2015 8:11:10am

re: #249 Lord Of The Pies

While y’all were freaking out over Rachel Dolezal this happened==>

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Exactly. Rage is a precious, perishable commodity.

252 Justanotherhuman  Jun 12, 2015 8:11:51am

Holy shit.

A fireball lights up night sky in Nanjing, China after a chemical plant explosion; no immediate word on how many people may have been at the facility

253 Great White Snark  Jun 12, 2015 8:13:34am

re: #241 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

re: #239 Justanotherhuman

This is going to (got?) get thick fast. Nobody wants to agree with the perpetual outrage wingnuts. Trouble is lots of different people are going to be all over this each with their own axe to grind. Hot cross currents, posturing outrage.

I’m gonna sit back and let those most involved work this out. When they are done I’ll be genuinely interested. My interest in all those opinions out there is inversely proportionate to how closely they are affected. Distant pundits talking this up? Zero time.

254 Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2015 8:14:56am

re: #119 Nyet

Race/ethnicity, apart from being social constructs to a significant degree, are also personal constructs. There are no objective rules for determining them.

Actually, there are “objective rules” for determining race and ethnicity: ancestry-informative markers. I use them quite frequently to account for population stratification in my larger cohorts. But, indeed, there are still constructs behind race and ethnicity.

255 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 8:15:58am

re: #240 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

I didn’t say all cases are analogous.

And certainly the analogy isn’t helpful for discussing each and every detail of the issue. It does however hold for the issue of authenticity.

256 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 8:18:30am

re: #254 Dr. Matt

Actually the example I provided in the comment you are responding to challenges exactly this claim.

257 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 12, 2015 8:20:01am

re: #254 Dr. Matt

Actually, there are “objective rules” for determining race and ethnicity: ancestry-informative markers. I use them quite frequently to account for population stratification in my larger cohorts. But, indeed, there are still constructs behind race and ethnicity.

There aren’t. You can have people who are clearly part of the group who lack those markers, and people who are clearly outside the group that has them. Genetic information is indicative but not determinative.

258 Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2015 8:20:55am

re: #256 Nyet

Actually the example I provided in the comment you are responding to challenges exactly this claim.

You can challenge the claim that there isn’t “objective rules” but it doesn’t change the fact there are indeed objective, scientific classifications of race and ethnicity based on germline genetics.

259 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2015 8:21:06am

re: #246 Decatur Deb

Y’know, despite her really great cornrows, I’ve always had my doubts about Miley Cyrus.

And before her, there was Bo Derek.

260 makeitstop  Jun 12, 2015 8:21:22am

The fact that numbskulls like Shapiro and Loesch are jumping all over this only serves to further illustrate the fact that they don’t now, and probably never will, have a constructive thought in their little pea brains.

All they can do is scream about the behavior of a ‘left’ that doesn’t exist outside of their minds. It’s all they’ve got.

261 goddamnedfrank  Jun 12, 2015 8:21:23am

I don’t see the point on focusing on her lies while largely ignoring the positions those lies bought. Dolezal leveraged her bullshit into a position heading the local NAACP, an adjunct professorship in African studies and a civilian police oversight position. Few people are focusing on that last one but it’s by far the most troubling since she applied under false pretenses and the interaction between the police and black citizens is notoriously fraught with the misapplication of force.

262 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2015 8:22:34am

re: #261 goddamnedfrank

I don’t see the point on focusing on her lies while largely ignoring the positions those lying bought. Donezal leveraged her bullshit into a position heading the local NAACP, an adjunct professorship in African studies and a civilian police oversight position. Few people are focusing on that last one but it’s by far the most troubling since she applied under false pretenses and the interaction between the police and black citizens is notoriously fraught with the misapplication of force.

She gamed the system, basically.

263 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 8:23:27am

re: #258 Dr. Matt
Uh, no. There are genetic markers, but what one does with them is a matter of interpretation.

264 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 8:23:31am

Ben projectin’ like an IMAX

265 Dr. Matt  Jun 12, 2015 8:23:52am

re: #257 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

There aren’t. You can have people who are clearly part of the group who lack those markers, and people who are clearly outside the group that has them. Genetic information is indicative but not determinative.

Yes, you can find outliers in data. It doesn’t change the fact that AIMs are indeed objective classifications of race and ethnicity.

So much for the left being “pro-science”.

I’ll put my peer-reviewed publication list up against yours. Deal?

266 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 12, 2015 8:24:00am

re: #258 Dr. Matt

You can challenge the claim that there isn’t “objective rules” but it doesn’t change the fact there are indeed objective, scientific classifications of race and ethnicity based on germline genetics.

There really aren’t. Race is not a coherent biological construct in any way. Ancestry is. Ancestry is not race. Ancestries contain multiple ‘races’ non-problematically. The presence or absence of markers may suggest ancestry but it is not definite.

267 makeitstop  Jun 12, 2015 8:25:01am

re: #264 Lord Of The Pies

Ben projectin’ like an IMAX

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And to think he gets paid good money for such assholery.

268 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 12, 2015 8:26:01am

re: #265 Dr. Matt

Yes, you can find outliers in data. It doesn’t change the fact that AIMs are indeed objective classifications of race and ethnicity.

So much for the left being “pro-science”.

I’ll put my peer-reviewed publication list up against yours. Deal?

How about you give me a peer-reviewed paper claiming that there’s objective classifications of race?

Ethnicity I don’t even know what to say to. In no way is ethnicity a hard-science term, it is only a social-science term.

269 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 8:27:45am

If I didn’t know that activist Shaun King identifies as black, I would have thought he is a white guy.

Some blacks think Pushkin was black because of his ancestry. For me he has always and will always be a white guy.

No amount of genetic information will ever solve these issues.

270 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2015 8:28:09am

re: #262 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

She gamed the system, basically.

The system deserved to be gamed. None of those positions are inherently dependent on race. A buddy at one of my installations was the chief of the HR staff shop charged with eliminating gender discrimination. At a seminar a lady asked how he, a black male, got that slot. His answer: “I submitted an SF-171 (CV) and was chosen on merit.”

271 darthstar  Jun 12, 2015 8:33:57am
272 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2015 8:34:17am

re: #270 Decatur Deb

The system deserved to be gamed. None of those positions are inherently dependent on race. A buddy at one of my installations was the chief of the HR staff shop charged with eliminating gender discrimination. At a seminar a lady asked how he, a black male, got that slot. His answer: “I submitted an SF-171 (CV) and was chosen on merit.”

Sure, but I bet he didn’t lie on his SF171. This woman apparently created an entirely false history. I could almost excuse her claiming she was African-America if it weren’t for the other layers of fabrication on top of that.

I’m wondering if this revelation won’t chase some more previous lies out of the bushes, as her former associates or employers put two and two together.

Then, when it’s all over, she’ll write a book, which will be optioned for a movie. Maybe she’ll appear on Oprah, too.

273 darthstar  Jun 12, 2015 8:35:01am

re: #264 Lord Of The Pies

Ben projectin’ like an IMAX

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Nobody is claiming Rachel is a hero for lying about her race.

274 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 12, 2015 8:35:07am

White is a color. Just sayin’.

275 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 8:36:09am

As usual Bryan gets “Net Neutrality” exactly bass-ackwards.

276 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2015 8:37:40am

re: #272 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Sure, but I bet he didn’t lie on his SF171. This woman apparently created an entirely false history. I could almost excuse her claiming she was African-America if it weren’t for the other layers of fabrication on top of that.

I’m wondering if this revelation won’t chase some more previous lies out of the bushes, as her former associates or employers put two and two together.

Then, when it’s all over, she’ll write a book, which will be optioned for a movie. Maybe she’ll appear on Oprah, too.

The lying (or some kind of delusion) is her failure. There’s no real info on it, but I think she might have built some kind of alternate reality actually believes. The Breitbrats will scope it out for us.

277 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 8:38:43am

re: #275 Lord Of The Pies

As usual Bryan gets “Net Neutrality” exactly bass-ackwards.

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Well given this guy’s only take away from the Holocaust is we should discriminate against gay people, it’s no wonder that he doesn’t understand NN.

278 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2015 8:39:32am

re: #277 HappyWarrior

Well given this guy’s only take away from the Holocaust is we should discriminate against gay people, it’s no wonder that he doesn’t understand NN.

It’s the ODS speaking. He can’t help himself.

279 darthstar  Jun 12, 2015 8:40:10am
280 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 8:40:13am

re: #273 darthstar

Nobody is claiming Rachel is a hero for lying about her race.

And most people on the left had no idea who she was until this morning. Calling her a left wing “hero” is laughable.

281 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2015 8:41:03am

re: #280 HappyWarrior

And most people on the left had no idea who she was until this morning. Calling her a left wing “hero” is laughable.

The RWNJs consider the NAACP left-wing, because reasons.

282 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 12, 2015 8:41:11am

re: #275 Lord Of The Pies

As usual Bryan gets “Net Neutrality” exactly bass-ackwards.

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283 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 8:41:30am

re: #278 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

It’s the ODS speaking. He can’t help himself.

Yep his ODS defines how he approaches every issue. If Obama/s for/against it, it must be bad/good. It’s like a choose your own adventure book starring your favorite sexually repressed FRC spokesman.

284 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 8:42:09am

re: #281 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The RWNJs consider the NAACP left-wing, because reasons.

Yet Rand Paul loves to brag about how Republicans founded the NAACP. He doesn’t mention later that W.E.B DuBois became quite left wing.

285 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 12, 2015 8:42:17am

re: #264 Lord Of The Pies

Ben projectin’ like an IMAX

Hurr hurr the only real women heroes are Phylis Shlafly and Dana Loesche!!!!111

286 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2015 8:42:37am

Daystuff—BBL.

287 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 8:42:42am

re: #285 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Hurr hurr the only real women heroes are Phylis Shlafly and Dana Loesche!!!!111

And Ann Coulter and Michele Malkin. Real women who put down other women!

288 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 12, 2015 8:43:13am

re: #284 HappyWarrior

Yet Rand Paul loves to brag about how Republicans founded the NAACP. He doesn’t mention later that W.E.B DuBois became quite left wing.

Well the NAACP was founded in like 1909, so yeah, Paul Rand, whatevs.

289 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 12, 2015 8:45:25am

re: #280 HappyWarrior

And most people on the left had no idea who she was until this morning. Calling her a left wing “hero” is laughable.

The cons are desperate for something to offset the Josh Duggar story and this will have to do.

290 goddamnedfrank  Jun 12, 2015 8:45:50am

re: #270 Decatur Deb

The system deserved to be gamed. None of those positions are inherently dependent on race. A buddy at one of my installations was the chief of the HR staff shop charged with eliminating gender discrimination. At a seminar a lady asked how he, a black male, got that slot. His answer: “I submitted an SF-171 (CV) and was chosen on merit.”

I’m not going to get into a discussion over the merits of affirmative action in general. But I will say that a civilian oversight board handling police misconduct in this country needs to always have at least one person on it who understands from personal experience what it means to grow up as an african-american. No matter what her intentions actually are, where her sympathies lie, it’s unbelievably fucked up that she took that job under false pretenses.

291 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 8:46:45am

re: #288 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Well the NAACP was founded in like 1909, so yeah, Paul Rand, whatevs.

Yeah he was trying to “school” the kids at Howard by pointing that out. I mean if you have to point out that a century ago your party weren’t total dicks on racial issues, then you’ve got problems.

292 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2015 8:49:45am

Meanwhile, I’ve been listening to the latest interview CCJ gave and hearing the same shit he told Milo Yiannopoulos.

Here’s my fave quote so far:

[Social Justice Warriors] travel in packs, or like in large groups. What they do is take umbrage at what a lot of people are doing on Twitter, and other social media platforms, and they try to report them to the twitter authorities. They try to send people to jail who they don’t like. .. and they’re a kind of pernicious group and they’ve singled out me in particular because of the stories I’ve broken like the ebola [nurse].

it’s like an Animal Planet video. Packs of SJWs roaming the savannah, hunting for innocent trolls to attack and rip to shreds. it’s the law of the jungle, or something.

293 makeitstop  Jun 12, 2015 8:49:46am

So, I drove out to Red Bank, NJ last night to play a gig. Went well, finished up, got paid, driving home and making good time until I got to the Outerbridge Crossing - then this happened:

I rolled up on an accident just minutes after it happened and ended up sitting on the bridge for better than an hour. Talk about slowing my roll…

Good thing my work day is pretty light today. I don’t expect to be a whirlwind of activity for the next few hours.

294 darthstar  Jun 12, 2015 8:50:42am
295 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 8:51:03am

And, another wingnut meme pwn3d==>

296 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 8:51:30am

re: #292 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Meanwhile, I’ve been listening to the latest interview CCJ gave and hearing the same shit he told Milo Yiannopoulos.

Here’s my fave quote so far:

it’s like an Animal Planet video. Packs of SJWs roaming the savannah, hunting for innocent trolls to attack and rip to shreds. it’s the law of the jungle, or something.

Try to send people to jail? Hysterical much? Really, these people can say all the vicious shit they want but don’t cry about the mean “SJWs” when you say something bigoted online and there are people there to call you out on your bullshit.

297 darthstar  Jun 12, 2015 8:52:18am

re: #295 Lord Of The Pies

And, another wingnut meme pwn3d==>

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They made her darker too.

298 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2015 8:52:31am

re: #293 makeitstop

Brings back memories, driving from NJ across Staten Island to LI.

Yeah, nothing like an accident on that route to totally screw up your day.

299 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 8:52:55am

re: #297 darthstar

They made her darker too.

Ah good eye.

300 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 8:53:13am

re: #297 darthstar

They made her darker too.

Because of course they did.

301 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 12, 2015 8:53:15am

re: #296 HappyWarrior

Try to send people to jail? Hysterical much? Really, these people can say all the vicious shit they want but don’t cry about the mean “SJWs” when you say something bigoted online and there are people there to call you out on your bullshit.

Well CCJ means “Twitter jail.” I think.

302 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 8:54:09am

re: #301 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Well CCJ means “Twitter jail.” I think.

All the more reason this is pathetic. Oh so you lost your Twitter posting privileges. Boo fuckin’ hoo.

303 Slap  Jun 12, 2015 8:55:13am

re: #42 Nyet

OK, you made my day with both of those! Two of my absolute favorites….loved hearing the original Sparks again. Therefore, I return the favor with a bit of the newest Sparks, with Franz Ferdinand (called FFS) live from Jools Holland’s show, sounding energized as hell:

…

And Residents’ early collaborator, the late Snakefinger:

…

Happy Friday!

304 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2015 8:55:28am

re: #296 HappyWarrior

Try to send people to jail? Hysterical much? Really, these people can say all the vicious shit they want but don’t cry about the mean “SJWs” when you say something bigoted online and there are people there to call you out on your bullshit.

Chuck has learned to play the RWNJ victim card. And, as with the Milo interview, no one is bothering to bring up the Twitter TOS and rules, which are the real reason CCJ got banned multiple times.

Just another softball interviewer. I’m at the 52:50 mark, and I assume it doesn’t get much better. I’ll leave it for tomorrow.

305 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 8:56:29am

re: #304 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Chuck has learned to play the RWNJ victim card. And, as with the Milo interview, no one is bothering to bring up the Twitter TOS and rules, which are the real reason CCJ got banned multiple times.

Just another softball interviewer. I’m at the 52:50 mark, and I assume it doesn’t get much better. I’ll leave it for tomorrow.

You’re a much braver person than I. Anyhow as Charles has said, I’m glad to be a so called SJW. I’d much rather be that than those right wingers on Twitter who are lackeys for the very wealthy and powerful.

306 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2015 8:58:41am

re: #302 HappyWarrior

All the more reason this is pathetic. Oh so you lost your Twitter posting privileges. Boo fuckin’ hoo.

Really. I wish one of these interviewers would just break type and ask CCJ point blank, “So you got banned from Twitter. So fucking what? Didn’t you like break the rules or something?”

It’s like a card counter complaining that a casino bounced him out for winning too many blackjack hands.

307 goddamnedfrank  Jun 12, 2015 9:00:07am

re: #304 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Chuck has learned to play the RWNJ victim card. And, as with the Milo interview, no one is bothering to bring up the Twitter TOS and rules, which are the real reason CCJ got banned multiple times.

Just another softball interviewer. I’m at the 52:50 mark, and I assume it doesn’t get much better. I’ll leave it for tomorrow.

Is this the interview with @jason? I tried to just leave it on in the background but had to turn it off.

308 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 9:00:23am

re: #306 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Really. I wish one of these interviewers would just break type and ask CCJ point blank, “So you got banned from Twitter. So fucking what? Didn’t you like break the rules or something?”

It’s like a card counter complaining that a casino bounced him out for winning too many blackjack hands.

I know. Milo and the other interviewers are acting like CCJ has been actually jailed for what he’s said. BFD. Talk to someone who has actually been jailed for expressing dissent and then we’ll talk.

309 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 9:01:02am

Does his (CCJ’s_ voice sound as condescending and know-it-all as I imagine it would?

310 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2015 9:02:15am

re: #305 HappyWarrior

You’re a much braver person than I. Anyhow as Charles has said, I’m glad to be a so called SJW. I’d much rather be that than those right wingers on Twitter who are lackeys for the very wealthy and powerful.

I feel like the guy on Lie To Me watching these vids. Since he’s not in his featureless room, Chuck is not as twitchy/fidgety, but he still has some “tells” when he says something that’s borderline untruthful.

He’s clearly going for the “free speech” angle, and the “oppression from the left” angle. Too bad his Twitter history belies the narrative.

311 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 9:03:33am

re: #310 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I feel like the guy on Lie To Me watching these vids. Since he’s not in his featureless room, Chuck is not as twitchy/fidgety, but he still has some “tells” when he says something that’s borderline untruthful.

He’s clearly going for the “free speech” angle, and the “oppression from the left” angle. Too bad his Twitter history belies the narrative.

Yeah, really he had been posting hateful shit for years on there but what seems to have finally did him in when he threatened Deray. It would be nice if those interviewing brought that up but they wouldn’t have their stupid “the left is censoring free speech” bullshit meme that they’re pushing by interviewing him.

312 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2015 9:03:42am

re: #307 goddamnedfrank

Is this the interview with @jason? I tried to just leave it on in the background but had to turn it off.

Yeah. I couldn’t remember his name. AFAIC, he’s just another dudebro conducting another softball interview.

313 goddamnedfrank  Jun 12, 2015 9:06:49am

re: #312 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Yeah. I couldn’t remember his name. AFAIC, he’s just another dudebro conducting another softball interview.

Charles reported that he called Chuck out on his race and IQ bullshit. I’d given up long before that.

314 blueraven  Jun 12, 2015 9:07:19am

OK maybe this woman just created a whole new existence in her mind. Her art is almost entirely of black people (and quite good). It could be that she slipped into some sort of mental self delusion rather than an overt deception.

Certainly, her family relationships sound “complicated” to say the least. Probably a lot more to this story.

315 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2015 9:07:50am

re: #309 HappyWarrior

Does his (CCJ’s_ voice sound as condescending and know-it-all as I imagine it would?

In this interview, he’s being less didactic and bellicose than when he’s at home. Jason has a real studio and they are sitting across the table from each other. But, as before, Chuck likes to bring up his stint at the WSJ, his awards, his research position with Dershowitz as a high school student, and how he was “researching” the new media by working at different places.

Uh huh, uh huh.

316 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2015 9:09:06am

re: #313 goddamnedfrank

Charles reported that he called Chuck out on his race and IQ bullshit. I’d given up long before that.

Well, I’ll maybe catch that tomorrow after I have a good rest.

317 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 9:09:26am

re: #315 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

In this interview, he’s being less didactic and bellicose than when he’s at home. Jason has a real studio and they are sitting across the table from each other. But, as before, Chuck likes to bring up his stint at the WSJ, his awards, his research position with Dershowitz as a high school student, and how he was “researching” the new media by working at different places.

Uh huh, uh huh.

Gotcha. Curious but did he have something of a monotone voice? He’s been saying he’s on the spectrum for some time and that’s a trait though not necessarily a given since I’m on the spectrum and I’m not monotone.

318 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 9:10:17am
319 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 9:10:41am

re: #318 Lord Of The Pies

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Yummay.

320 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 9:11:59am

re: #312 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Reduced from 24K followers to doing an interview circuit with nobodies and marginals?

GREAT SUCCESS!

321 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2015 9:12:43am

re: #317 HappyWarrior

Gotcha. Curious but did he have something of a monotone voice? He’s been saying he’s on the spectrum for some time and that’s a trait though not necessarily a given since I’m on the spectrum and I’m not monotone.

He’s not the world’s most gifted speaker. I haven’t noticed a monotone, but now that you mention it, I’ll listen more closely tomorrow. So far I’ve been focusing on what he says, not how he says it.

One interesting factoid: he says his SAT combined score was 2370 (on the new 2400 scale).

322 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2015 9:13:16am

re: #320 Nyet

Reduced from 24K followers to doing an interview circuit with nobodies and marginals?

GREAT SUCCESS!

How the mighty have fallen. //

323 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 12, 2015 9:13:45am

OK. Midnight here. See you all later on.

324 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 9:14:28am

re: #318 Lord Of The Pies

Careful, it seems to want to eat you!

325 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 9:14:41am

Well lost in the mix up over the Spokane NAACP controversy is today is Loving day. 48 years ago today the Supreme Court ruled bans on interracial marriage illegal. I’m honored to say that I have some small connection of that history given that my own grandfather employed Mr. Loving as a bricklayer while the Lovings lived in D.C waiting for the USSC to rule. And while I know Hispanic is a culture designation not a racial one, I’m the proud uncle of a beautiful little Hispanic girl who always makes me smile.

326 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 9:15:30am

re: #321 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He’s not the world’s most gifted speaker. I haven’t noticed a monotone, but now that you mention it, I’ll listen more closely tomorrow. So far I’ve been focusing on what he says, not how he says it.

One interesting factoid: he says his SAT combined score was 2370 (on the new 2400 scale).

Okay I was curious. He seems really narcissistic from what you say.

327 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 9:16:26am

re: #322 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

How the mighty have fallen. //

Even though you read my thoughts, I refrained from writing it because that would be granting him the status of mighty at least in the past.

328 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 12, 2015 9:20:26am

re: #325 HappyWarrior

Well lost in the mix up over the Spokane NAACP controversy is today is Loving day. 48 years ago today the Supreme Court ruled bans on interracial marriage illegal. I’m honored to say that I have some small connection of that history given that my own grandfather employed Mr. Loving as a bricklayer while the Lovings lived in D.C waiting for the USSC to rule. And while I know Hispanic is a culture designation not a racial one, I’m the proud uncle of a beautiful little Hispanic girl who always makes me smile.

Wish we could go back in time to read the Tweets from the Southern Baptist Convention when this happened.

329 Great White Snark  Jun 12, 2015 9:20:40am

re: #320 Nyet

Reduced from 24K followers to doing an interview circuit with nobodies and marginals?

GREAT SUCCESS!

Remember “Winning” ala Charlie Sheen? Well ‘cept his next show actually did okay. Chucky, well that’s all over but the crying.

330 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 12, 2015 9:21:05am

re: #329 Great White Snark

Remember “Winning” ala Charlie Sheen? Well ‘cept his next show actually did okay. Chucky, well that’s all over but the crying.

UpChuck has all that red hot Tiger Blood.

//////

331 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 12, 2015 9:23:27am

re: #320 Nyet

Reduced from 24K followers to doing an interview circuit with nobodies and marginals?

GREAT SUCCESS!

CCJ: Hi, my name is the world famous Charles C Johnson. I’m an award-winning journalist victimized by Twitter. Would you like to interview me?

News outlet: Oh, you’re Charles Johnson from Little Green Footballs?

CCJ: Uh, no. That’s an irrelevant website. No one goes there anymore.

News outlet: (click).

CCJ: Hello? Hello?

332 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 9:23:57am

re: #328 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Wish we could go back in time to read the Tweets from the Southern Baptist Convention when this happened.

No kidding. I know they like to say gay marriage bans are different than interracial bans since sexuality and race are different things but the fact of the matter is interracial bans were used using biblical justification too.

333 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 9:26:17am
334 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 9:26:43am

Fellow gamers. Been replaying Medal of Honor: Allied Assault. Still a solid FPS after all these years. I wouldn’t mind WWII FPS’s making a come back.

335 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 12, 2015 9:34:01am

Living large with the PB&J sandwich today.

336 ObserverArt  Jun 12, 2015 9:36:21am

Hey all. Damn it is already hot and humid here in Columbus. Looking at the long range forecast I think the deep south climate is moving north. We have high 80s into 90s with 50% chances of thunderstorms everyday next week. And it isn’t late July/August.

I see the big topic (and fast moving comments…damn) is Rachel Dolezal. Interesting story. I just don’t get the outrage. Maybe she suffers some kind of mental health issues.

What really amazes me is little Benny Shapiro going off on twitter. What’s his problem? He’s been faking being a human being for years now.

And her story again touches on the race issues in this country. What are the White folk all upset about? Is it that someone would want to come off as Black and they can’t figure out why anyone would want to ‘lower’ their social class?

If that be it, then you have admitted that Whites have indeed made Blacks lesser in their eyes. Are you offended anyone White would ever want to be Black? Maybe they all should try it sometime. Might learn a lot.

Very strange social dynamics going on. Not unusual though.

337 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 9:37:18am

Lee just had an encounter with a troll who thinks Teh Juice are blood-drinking devils but ISIS are just big cuddly bunnies protecting their bunny farms

338 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 9:38:33am

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
That’s a lava lamp

339 Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2015 9:40:23am

My stinky sense is tingling.

littlegreenfootballs.com

I was giving the first guy the benefit of the doubt, but two more accounts just registered using the same IP address. Looks like someone’s trying to use LGF to spread propaganda.

340 retired cynic  Jun 12, 2015 9:42:00am

re: #336 ObserverArt

When I was in school, we were required to read ‘Black Like Me,’ by John Howard Griffin. It blew me away, and truly opened my eyes.

341 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 9:43:08am

re: #339 Charles Johnson

My stinky sense is tingling.

littlegreenfootballs.com

I was giving the first guy the benefit of the doubt, but two more accounts just registered using the same IP address. Looks like someone’s trying to use LGF to spread propaganda.

He was just about to start having conversations with himself.

342 ObserverArt  Jun 12, 2015 9:46:35am

re: #270 Decatur Deb

The system deserved to be gamed. None of those positions are inherently dependent on race. A buddy at one of my installations was the chief of the HR staff shop charged with eliminating gender discrimination. At a seminar a lady asked how he, a black male, got that slot. His answer: “I submitted an SF-171 (CV) and was chosen on merit.”

Thank you. A point I was going to make but in a joking way.

Maybe the White people she deceived felt more comfortable with this particular Black Person. And to me that again shows who has the real issues. And in a weird way, I wonder if that wasn’t a bit of her reasoning.

343 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 12, 2015 9:47:11am

re: #338 Lord Of The Pies

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
That’s a lava lamp

Liberty, less government, mandated ultra-sounds….

/

344 ObserverArt  Jun 12, 2015 9:49:31am

re: #274 Higgs Boson’s Mate

White is a color. Just sayin’.

Actually from a study of color as an art student (The Munsell Theory) white is the absence of color and black is a saturation of all color.

Which is why Black folks are way cool, they have it all going on! ////

345 Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2015 9:52:19am
346 Decatur Deb  Jun 12, 2015 9:53:16am

re: #344 ObserverArt

Actually from a study of color as an art student (The Munsell Theory) white is the absence of color and black is a saturation of all color.

Which is why Black folks are way cool, they have it all going on! ////

“Subtractive.”

“Additive.”

“Subtractive !”

“Additive !”

“Splitter !!!”

347 Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2015 9:58:34am

…

348 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 10:01:05am

re: #333 Lord Of The Pies

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Some of them in Russia.

349 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 10:02:22am

Example: Nash Sovremennik devoted a couple of issues to the Beilis trial, you know from what perspective.

Lest you think it’s some marginal outlet, it received personal congrats from Putin when it had an anniversary.

350 Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2015 10:05:10am

Youtube Video

351 Great White Snark  Jun 12, 2015 10:05:52am

Oh my.

Video

After that I’d certainly want a mini bottle of something strong.

352 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 12, 2015 10:08:40am

re: #350 Charles Johnson

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Video

Not working for me.

353 ObserverArt  Jun 12, 2015 10:12:01am

re: #352 Eclectic Cyborg

Not working for me.

Me either. And I saw a message I’ve never seen before with a YouTube vid.

“An error occurred. Please try again later.”

354 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 10:12:40am

*eyeroll*

355 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 10:13:31am

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY BECAUSE OF COURSE==>

356 ObserverArt  Jun 12, 2015 10:13:50am

re: #351 Great White Snark

Oh my.

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Video

After that I’d certainly want a mini bottle of something strong.

Now that is a hell of a climb rate!

357 makeitstop  Jun 12, 2015 10:14:00am

re: #352 Eclectic Cyborg

Not working for me.

Me neither.

“An error occurred. Please try again later.”

Looks like a Youtube thing.

358 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 10:14:35am

re: #355 Lord Of The Pies

What does this sign in the avi mean?

359 Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2015 10:15:22am

Trying again…

…

360 Great White Snark  Jun 12, 2015 10:16:10am

re: #359 Charles Johnson

Thats working fine now

361 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 10:16:32am

re: #358 Nyet

What does this sign in the avi mean?

It’s a symbol used to show solidarity* with Christians being persecuted by ISIS

*Solidarity=using Iraqi Christians in memes to attack Obama but otherwise not giving a shit about them.

362 Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2015 10:19:25am

And one more time…

…

363 Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2015 10:20:30am

I’ve never seen that YouTube URL format posted by allegro up above, but it’s now supported.

364 Lidane  Jun 12, 2015 10:25:21am

ROFL:

I’m sure that will go over well on the right.

365 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 10:25:31am

re: #361 Lord Of The Pies

It’s a symbol used to show solidarity* with Christians being persecuted by ISIS

*Solidarity=using Iraqi Christians in memes to attack Obama but otherwise not giving a shit about them.

IOW a wingnut tsatske.

366 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 10:25:57am

re: #363 Charles Johnson

We need a cat photo for SUPPORTED./

367 ObserverArt  Jun 12, 2015 10:28:37am

re: #364 Lidane

ROFL:

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I’m sure that will go over well on the right.

Reclaim??? Have they ever claimed it before?

If you go by Rushbo…never. Why, it is downright unAmerican.

368 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 10:29:17am

Ben descends even deeper using the Douche Diving Bell==>

369 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 12, 2015 10:30:00am

re: #368 Lord Of The Pies

Ben descends even deeper using the Douche Diving Bell==>

POTUS: How do I use this Block button again?

370 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 10:31:06am
Ben Shapiro of the Corn
371 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 10:31:59am

re: #370 Lord Of The Pies

He looks like his has a corn knob up his.

372 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 12, 2015 10:32:12am

re: #368 Lord Of The Pies

Ben descends even deeper using the Douche Diving Bell==>

I imagine Ben thinks he knows what he’s arguing about with all these derpy posts but I’m not sure anyone else does.

373 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 10:32:38am
374 ObserverArt  Jun 12, 2015 10:32:40am

re: #368 Lord Of The Pies

Ben descends even deeper using the Douche Diving Bell==>

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I feel sorta bad for Benny. His butt is really hurting today. He may need to go sit on a block of ice or something and see if he can get that swelling down.

Later…gonna see if I can do something constructive until I get too soggy with sweat. Pretty sure Benny will be crying all day. Rachel really seems to have gotten him all cranky.

375 Dave In Austin  Jun 12, 2015 10:35:04am

re: #355 Lord Of The Pies

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY BECAUSE OF COURSE==>

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I’ve gotten to the point where I ask these trolls how the weather is in Moscow these days…. And that Putin must be paying them well to sow hate and discontent in the U.S. Drives them nuts…

376 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 12, 2015 10:35:44am

re: #355 Lord Of The Pies

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY BECAUSE OF COURSE==>

[Embedded content]

377 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 12, 2015 10:36:48am

re: #364 Lidane

ROFL:

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I’m sure that will go over well on the right.

378 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 12, 2015 10:37:15am

If only we get could get Shapiro kicked off Twitter too…

Thing is, I don’t think he’s QUITE as stupid or reckless as CCJ.

I guess time will tell.

379 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 12, 2015 10:38:04am

re: #373 Lord Of The Pies

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380 PhillyPretzel  Jun 12, 2015 10:38:34am

re: #378 Eclectic Cyborg

It would be a wonderful thing to have that happen but I do not think it will. :(

381 makeitstop  Jun 12, 2015 10:40:26am

re: #364 Lidane

ROFL:

It’s time for the GOP to reclaim the term feminist

I’m sure that will go over well on the right.

After the years and years they’ve spent demonizing feminists, this shows that the GOP is out of touch for the demonization, and poor Carly is out of touch for believing that the GOP would be the least bit interested in rebuilding the bridge they burned so long ago.

In a strange way, they deserve each other.

382 Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2015 10:41:16am
383 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 10:41:28am
384 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 12, 2015 10:44:10am

re: #364 Lidane

I’ve wanted to meet Fiorina in person just so I could ask ehr, “Why the long face, Carly?”

385 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 10:45:49am

re: #383 Lord Of The Pies

…

386 Charles Johnson  Jun 12, 2015 10:47:29am
387 PhillyPretzel  Jun 12, 2015 10:48:08am

re: #386 Charles Johnson

That is so puurrrfect.

388 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 10:49:52am
389 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 12, 2015 10:51:46am
390 Kragar  Jun 12, 2015 10:52:17am
391 allegro  Jun 12, 2015 10:56:52am

re: #363 Charles Johnson

I’ve never seen that YouTube URL format posted by allegro up above, but it’s now supported.

Whee! Thanks!

392 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 12, 2015 10:57:20am

re: #390 Kragar

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Maybe they should have renamed it the Iowa Strawman Poll?

393 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 10:57:41am

re: #364 Lidane

ROFL:

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I’m sure that will go over well on the right.

Reclaim? It was never yours to “claim”. Liberals embrace feminism because we well believe in equality of the sexes, that women should be paid the same as men, and that they should have the say with their bodies. Your side OTOH Carly gave the world the term “feminazi” so take up with Rush.

394 HappyWarrior  Jun 12, 2015 10:58:33am

re: #379 No Country For Old Haters

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I think he’s drunk. He thinks he’s being funny and mocking the left but he’s actually looking even more pathetic than he usually does which I have to give the guy credit is quite the feat.

395 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jun 12, 2015 11:00:27am

Happy Friday Lizards. I am happy to report that I am now at 209lbs. Overall I am down about 30-40lbs and feel absolutely amazing. Still eating right and working out but now to add some weight lifting/strength training. I can actually fit in 36 jeans now and haven’t been able to do that in about 10 years.

396 Kragar  Jun 12, 2015 11:01:18am
397 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 12, 2015 11:01:38am

re: #395 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Happy Friday Lizards. I am happy to report that I am now at 209lbs. Overall I am down about 30-40lbs and feel absolutely amazing. Still eating right and working out but now to add some weight lifting/strength training. I can actually fit in 36 jeans now and haven’t been able to do that in about 10 years.

Awesome news! Keep at it and congratulations!

398 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 12, 2015 11:02:06am

re: #396 Kragar

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Hahahahaha. Peter Cushing, who’s been dead 20 years now.

399 PhillyPretzel  Jun 12, 2015 11:02:56am

re: #398 Eclectic Cyborg

I guess there are no Star Wars fans at Fox. /

400 b_sharp  Jun 12, 2015 11:03:18am

I’m now invisible.

401 Timothy Watson  Jun 12, 2015 11:05:03am

re: #396 Kragar

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It’s fake, original image here:
Image: 120419_POL_MegynKellyEX.jpg.CROP.rectangle3-large.jpg

402 Timothy Watson  Jun 12, 2015 11:06:36am

re: #401 Timothy Watson

403 b_sharp  Jun 12, 2015 11:09:33am

re: #401 Timothy Watson

It’s fake, original image here:
Image: 120419_POL_MegynKellyEX.jpg.CROP.rectangle3-large.jpg

Awww.

404 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 12, 2015 11:15:47am

re: #395 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Congratulations! Being able to again fit into long-ago-sized Levis is sublime.

405 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 11:16:26am

re: #396 Kragar

Unless it’s a fake screenshot…

406 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 11:16:45am

re: #401 Timothy Watson

Thought so.

407 Nyet  Jun 12, 2015 11:18:00am

Seems like the left isn’t really better than the right in what concerns spreading fakes.

408 makeitstop  Jun 12, 2015 11:41:52am

re: #396 Kragar

[Embedded content]

Isn’t that Basil Rathbone?

(funny name, great actor.)


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