Dallas Police HQ Attacked: Sniper Shoots Suspect in “Zombie Assault Vehicle”

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A man who said he blamed police for losing custody of his son, and for labeling him as a “terrorist,” has reportedly been shot dead by a sniper after a stand-off that lasted several hours. Luckily no one was injured when he fired dozens of rounds at police headquarters; he also had numerous explosive devices.

But the strangest part of the story: he was driving an armored vehicle with gun ports, described by the manufacturer as a “Zombie Apocalypse Assault Vehicle and Troop Transport.”

The van had a Georgia license plate, and online records indicate that a company in Newman, Ga., sold a similar vehicle on eBay for $8,250.

The company that sold it, Jenco Sales Inc., described the vehicle on Facebook: “Zombie Apocalypse Assault Vehicle and Troop Transport. This full armored zombie busting vehicle features convenient gun ports so no zombie juice touches you during a mass zombie take down. It also has benches in the back so you can take turns resting during long Zombie sieges. The tactical step boards are installed for when you only need swords and axes for drive by mow downs. The bumpers are made of reinforced steel tubing, so no dents from smashing zombie heads! It’s full armor plated and has bullet proof windows just in case you run into other zombie hunting hordes who might try to take this bad boy from you. Like anything, there is a price attached to this fine piece of zombie fighting machinery.”

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1 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 13, 2015 10:45:20am

Bullet proof windows*

*No, not really.

2 Great White Snark  Jun 13, 2015 10:46:28am

Okay nobody gets to buy/drive one of these without registration and a background check. Gun ports? That’s one cowardly rig to hunt bears in.

3 EPR-radar  Jun 13, 2015 10:47:10am

For something like this (i.e., selling a zombie assault vehicle), there is little doubt that ‘zombie’ is code for black. A common fantasy among gun nuts etc. is the total breakdown of civilization, at which point it will be ‘necessary’ to fend off incoming hordes of ******s with extreme prejudice.

4 Great White Snark  Jun 13, 2015 10:48:43am

re: #3 EPR-radar

In general you mean (?), maybe not this guy that went after cops.

5 Charles Johnson  Jun 13, 2015 10:49:51am
6 EPR-radar  Jun 13, 2015 10:49:58am

re: #4 Great White Snark

In general you mean (?), maybe not this guy that went after cops.

Good point. Edited for clarity above.

7 Charles Johnson  Jun 13, 2015 10:52:15am

Just took a run around some right wing blogs — quite a few commenters are totally convinced this guy has to be a Muslim.

8 stpaulbear  Jun 13, 2015 10:54:16am
The company that sold it, Jenco Sales Inc., described the vehicle on Facebook: “Zombie Apocalypse Assault Vehicle and Troop Transport.

Because describing it in realistic terms would have made it clear that it was really stupid to sell a vehicle like this to a random public.

edit: …or what EPR-radar said in comment 3. Sigh.

9 mroop  Jun 13, 2015 10:56:01am

Heading to Ebay to get my ZAAV before the prices go up.

10 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 13, 2015 10:58:14am

re: #3 EPR-radar

For something like this (i.e., selling a zombie assault vehicle), there is little doubt that ‘zombie’ is code for black. A common fantasy among gun nuts etc. is the total breakdown of civilization, at which point it will be ‘necessary’ to fend off incoming hordes of ******s with extreme prejudice.

You don’t say…

11 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 13, 2015 10:59:01am

re: #7 Charles Johnson

Just took a run around some right wing blogs — quite a few commenters are totally convinced this guy has to be a Muslim.

Either that or a LONE WOLF!(tm)

12 Lidane  Jun 13, 2015 10:59:42am

Where are the parents? When will moderates start speaking out about this unchecked hatred and disrespect of police? Why wasn’t he trained to be obedient and polite to cops? If he’d just complied and acted like a civilized human being this would not have happened.

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13 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 13, 2015 11:00:17am

It may or may not be effective against zombies, but it wasn’t worth a damn against the SWAT team.

This is similar to the armored vans we drove when I worked for an armored transport company back in the day. The windows are “bullet-resistant” lexan and the steel armor is effective only against low to medium velocity (handgun) bullets. Most center fire rifle rounds will penetrate it. Our vehicles did not have gun ports.

There is no legal restriction on armored vehicles, though they must meet the same roadworthiness standards as any other vehicle if you intend to operate them on the public roads.

14 EPR-radar  Jun 13, 2015 11:00:45am

re: #11 Eclectic Cyborg

A lone wolf who has an anti-government ideology nearly identical to that of the tea baggers, most likely. What an amazing coincidence. ///

15 Nyet  Jun 13, 2015 11:03:58am
17 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 13, 2015 11:04:17am

Has anyone called for investigating the (late) driver’s juvenile records? Has anyone investigated his parents? We’ve come to know that a propensity for violence is inherited so someone had better get cracking on that second item.

18 Nyet  Jun 13, 2015 11:05:13am

re: #16 FemNaziBitch

uggh

19 FemNaziBitch  Jun 13, 2015 11:05:49am

bbl

20 Nyet  Jun 13, 2015 11:06:43am

Well, fuck.

21 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 13, 2015 11:08:57am

In contrast, this Daimler Ferret scout car, is the very low end of military armor. Its armor will stop rifle bullets at anything but point blank range and, thanks to the flat plate construction, it is easily strengthened to deal with those.

This fully restored example is advertised by Hyman classic cars for &47,500 but you could probably get a decent one for a lot less. They also refer to it as a “tank” hinting that perhaps they hope to target an uninformed audience, which would also explain the high price.

The problem with the Ferret for lunatic use is that it takes two people to operate it, not to mention that it would be a bit conspicuous on the way to the mosque, the IRS offices, or police headquarters. The driver is closed down under the hatch in the front center, while weapons (usually a machinegun) are operated by the commander in the turret.

22 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 13, 2015 11:10:11am

re: #17 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Has anyone called for investigating the (late) driver’s juvenile records? Has anyone investigated his parents? We’ve come to know that a propensity for violence is inherited so someone had better get cracking on that second item.

If he or his parents ever belonged to a union we’ll probably hear about it.

23 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 13, 2015 11:30:25am

Wait, $8,250? Wouldn’t that be cheap for a van without anything special?

24 ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2015 11:35:33am

Nyet,

Regarding the last thread. I had not read the entire thing before trying to explain the TPP fast track mess. I did not realize you were debating theory over reality. My mistake.

I did find an article you might find interesting about the one part of your debate that being congress getting to see the terms of the treaty. Check out the link below.

And another bit about the reality. What Congress can currently view is a draft. They still are not viewing the actual finished points, so they may be arguing over something that might not be in there. The article I am linking seems to say that congress does have ways to get more clarity, but they might be doing some political dancing so they can say they did not vote for the TPP.

Here is the meat of the article as far as your concern.

This example shows that the question of transparency around the TPP isn’t just a question of administration transparency. As in so many other cases, it’s also a question of congressional transparency.

The two-step process of voting on fast track now and the TPP later — when the fast track vote is in fact the key vote to approve the agreement, and when key, knowable provisions of the TPP agreement are shrouded in public fog at the time of the fast track vote — is designed to allow swing members of Congress to vote yes on fast track while pretending that they are not thereby voting yes on the TPP. Later, some of these members will vote no on passage of the TPP, just as former House Majority Leader Dick Gephardt (D-MO) cast a key enabling vote for fast track in 1991 and then subsequently voted against NAFTA.

Therefore, the transparency complaint should also be directed against Congress.

Link: Bill Moyers.com - Congress Can — and Should — Declassify the TPP

25 makeitstop  Jun 13, 2015 11:37:20am

The vehicle in question:

26 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 13, 2015 11:37:32am

re: #23 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

Wait, $8,250? Wouldn’t that be cheap for a van without anything special?

As I understand, it’s not a brand new vehicle decked out with extras but rather a used van with some modifications.

27 Charles Johnson  Jun 13, 2015 11:38:32am

re: #24 ObserverArt

There’s another big point about the TPP people often miss: when the treaty is finalized, there will be a 90-day period in which it will be public, for debate and discussion, before the up/down vote. The idea that this is going to be rammed through with no one ever knowing what’s in it is just bullshit.

28 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 13, 2015 11:39:24am

re: #27 Charles Johnson

There’s another big point about the TPP people often miss: when the treaty is finalized, there will be a 90-day period in which it will be public, for debate and discussion, before the up/down vote. The idea that this is going to be rammed through with no one ever knowing what’s in it is just bullshit.

But, but, but…Obama…Tyranny…Socialism!!

29 makeitstop  Jun 13, 2015 11:39:48am

In the pic on the Dallas Morning News’ site, the guy just looks he’s in ‘pissed off forever’ mode.

30 Nyet  Jun 13, 2015 11:40:22am

re: #24 ObserverArt

Thanks, OA!

PS: I readily, and consciously, debate the number of angels on the head of a pin, which the last “debate” actually was. I understand it’s not many people’s cup of tea.

31 JadeHelmCurious  Jun 13, 2015 11:41:25am

re: #23 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

Wait, $8,250? Wouldn’t that be cheap for a van without anything special?

I hasn’t been field tested with actual zombies.

32 Charles Johnson  Jun 13, 2015 11:42:16am

re: #27 Charles Johnson

However, the vote that took away Obama’s trade promotion authority may have scuttled the whole thing, in any case.

There was a whole lot of fear-mongering about the TPP, and now we may end up with a much worse situation — with Pacific countries making their own deals among themselves, and the US totally cut out of the equation. There’s no way this is going to lead to a better outcome.

33 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 13, 2015 11:42:51am

My inner captain obvious just raised an important point that had unaccountably escaped me before:

Why would an anti-zombie vehicle need to be armored against gunfire?

34 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 13, 2015 11:44:11am

re: #32 Charles Johnson

I’m struggling to find a distinction between the “it’s horrible even though we don’t know what’s in it” on this versus the “it’s horrible even though we don’t know what’s in it” on the Iran deal.

Because a lot of people who condemned the latter are engaging in the former.

35 goddamnedfrank  Jun 13, 2015 11:44:12am
36 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2015 11:45:36am
37 ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2015 11:45:38am

re: #30 Nyet

Thanks, OA!

PS: I readily, and consciously, debate the number of angels at the head of a pin, which the last “debate” actually was. I understand it’s not many people’s cup of tea.

Heh. I dance on pinheads!

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38 makeitstop  Jun 13, 2015 11:47:07am

re: #37 ObserverArt

Heh. I dance on pinheads!

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I’m known to be a pinhead from time to time. Does that count?

39 Nyet  Jun 13, 2015 11:47:26am

re: #34 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m struggling to find a distinction between the “it’s horrible even though we don’t know what’s in it” on this versus the “it’s horrible even though we don’t know what’s in it” on the Iran deal.

Because a lot of people who condemned the latter are engaging in the former.

We know much more about it than about the Iran deal plus the two are simply different and not really comparable issues.

40 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 13, 2015 11:47:35am

Cue right-wing morons saying stuff like “But I thought liberals hated the police why aren’t they happy about this” and being smug.

41 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2015 11:48:12am
42 makeitstop  Jun 13, 2015 11:48:15am

re: #35 goddamnedfrank

White privilege is having a @CNN anchor call your armed attack & standoff with cops “courageous and brave.”

Someone on CNN actually said that?

43 goddamnedfrank  Jun 13, 2015 11:48:25am
44 goddamnedfrank  Jun 13, 2015 11:49:50am

re: #42 makeitstop

Someone on CNN actually said that?

Fredricka Whitfield reportedly. Hers and CNN’s mentions are blowing up over it.

45 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 13, 2015 11:50:45am

re: #33 Shiplord Kirel

My inner captain obvious just raised an important point that had unaccountably escaped me before:

Why would an anti-zombie vehicle need to be armored against gunfire?

Best guess: Non zombie mercenary carjackers and other potential non zombie threats.

46 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2015 11:51:26am

What can possibly go wrong that hasn’t already? Please don’t answer that.

47 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2015 11:52:11am

What could be more obvious that you’re working for the gun lobby than signing an open carry bill in a gun store?

48 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 13, 2015 11:53:16am

re: #46 Justanotherhuman

What can possibly go wrong that hasn’t already? Please don’t answer that.

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Riddle me this: Why haven’t I, to the best of my memory, seen one single photo of a Black or Asian Open Carry nut?

49 ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2015 11:53:28am

re: #32 Charles Johnson

However, the vote that took away Obama’s trade promotion authority may have scuttled the whole thing, in any case.

There was a whole lot of fear-mongering about the TPP, and now we may end up with a much worse situation — with Pacific countries making their own deals among themselves, and the US totally cut out of the equation. There’s no way this is going to lead to a better outcome.

Yep, the whole thing may have died yesterday. I am usually a union supporter but in this case I think they were not being fully fair. They fought the whole fight against NAFTA and granted no room for the President to realize NAFTA had it’s issues and to make up some of those problems this time.

They have not really fought the details in the TPP, how could they.

And like you say, there may well be no treaty at all and like the Republicans on Obamacare having no replacement, the Democrats will have nothing to offer.

So, if we get cut out, what stops our country from still exporting jobs any way? I have yet to see anyone address the negatives of not having this treaty. If we have no treaty and it is business as usual the unions have still gained nothing. Maybe if they actually worked on the damn thing instead of lobbing bombs everyone might get something.

50 Nyet  Jun 13, 2015 11:54:14am

BTW, it’s Gawker, but I found this article about TPP to be informative. It sort of tries to look at the issue from both progressive perspectives. Obviously not an endorsement, etc.

gawker.com

51 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 13, 2015 11:55:40am

The initial freeper response is riotously funny in its well nigh uniform rush to blame blacks, Muslims, or even gays for this assault. The winking, knowing sarcasm is especially prominet.

As usual, they are utterly shameless now that these initial assumptions have once again turned out to be complete bullshit.

If we were into stereotyping, it would appear on the evidence that fat white guys who have lost their razors are a much greater menace than all the right’s usual suspects put together.

52 William Lewis  Jun 13, 2015 11:56:24am

re: #48 Eclectic Cyborg

Riddle me this: Why haven’t I, to the best of my memory, since one single photo of a Black or Asian Open Carry nut?

Because most black & asian gun owners are not suicidal? The only black open carry I recall was a pre-announced march by Black Panthers in Dallas or Houston IIRC. It was a response to Mr. Trilby.

53 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2015 11:57:11am

re: #48 Eclectic Cyborg

Riddle me this: Why haven’t I, to the best of my memory, seen one single photo of a Black or Asian Open Carry nut?

Tea Party/Libertarian type here.

54 ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2015 11:57:33am

re: #47 Justanotherhuman

What could be more obvious that you’re working for the gun lobby than signing an open carry bill in a gun store?

I was going to mention that too.

But hey, it is Texas. We screw you right in front of your face, and without a smile. Why should we be sensitive to setting. Fuck you!

55 William Lewis  Jun 13, 2015 12:00:02pm

re: #49 ObserverArt

They weren’t going to fix NAFTA - they were claiming that, despite reality, NAFTA was an unaduterated good thing for America and that TPP was going to be the same thing for the Pacific Rim. Plus destroying Intellectual property use by individuals and making copyright forever.

If this really does spike TPP it will be a very good thing for America.

They can start over and try to come up with a trade agreement that _doesn’t_ hurt the economy and American workers but it won’t pass either - the real bosses of the GOP don’t want that. They want NAFTA PLUS and unless stopped that’s what they’ll get.

56 CuriousLurker  Jun 13, 2015 12:00:11pm

I just went by to make sure the Freepers started out blaming Muslims/Blacks. They did, by the 3rd comment.

Freepers: Muslim! Black! Black Muslim! [Insert scores of racist, bigoted comments.]

Upon learning it was a local white guy?

Freepers: Leftist! Atheist! Liberal RAT! Bill Ayers, etc.

I wish they’d be less predictable. It’s getting kinda boring.

57 Nyet  Jun 13, 2015 12:02:20pm

re: #56 CuriousLurker

Liberal, n, - a conservative who shoots up people.

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58 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2015 12:02:48pm

Woman claiming the cops negotiated with Boulware because neighborhood was residential got this response.

60 CuriousLurker  Jun 13, 2015 12:03:06pm

re: #57 Nyet

Liberal, n, - a conservative who shoots up people.

//

LOL

61 JadeHelmCurious  Jun 13, 2015 12:04:07pm

trans sexual - somebody turned on by public transportation.

62 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2015 12:06:15pm
63 CuriousLurker  Jun 13, 2015 12:08:51pm

re: #62 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Whoa, great photo. I’m gonna guess the photog was using a very long lens.

64 CuriousLurker  Jun 13, 2015 12:11:06pm

Arrgh. Feline overlord demanding attention. BBL

65 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2015 12:12:45pm
66 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 13, 2015 12:13:39pm
67 ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2015 12:14:11pm

re: #55 William Lewis

They weren’t going to fix NAFTA - they were claiming that, despite reality, NAFTA was an unaduterated good thing for America and that TPP was going to be the same thing for the Pacific Rim. Plus destroying Intellectual property use by individuals and making copyright forever.

If this really does spike TPP it will be a very good thing for America.

They can start over and try to come up with a trade agreement that _doesn’t_ hurt the economy and American workers but it won’t pass either - the real bosses of the GOP don’t want that. They want NAFTA PLUS and unless stopped that’s what they’ll get.

Does this comment touch on what Obama is/was trying to do? I see mention of the GOP, but nothing on Obama.

I have heard Obama say that he thought NAFTA wasn’t good, and they were trying to make sure some of the language was different, better and more protected to prevent the NAFTA issues. You don’t seem to mention that. Do you think Obama has no feel for that and he is more or less bullshitting you?

And, if this gets killed, do you really think there will be further negotiations on a new form, or will the US get shut out and China gets to try to swing a deal in the area?

I have a feeling since this has been going on for years and if it is killed we lose a lot of cred. In a way, we may be seen as trade isolationists and that isn’t going to help anything.

Remember how everyone used to laugh about the quality of Hyundai. Now they make a car equal to the US. What if they get to fill Asia with Hyundais and Kias and no Fords or Chevies? What is to be gained by the UAW? ANd that is just an example.

Look at all the stuff made in Asia under American names. That is not going to change. So, really what is the real benefit of not having trade agreements? What the unions are scared of isn’t going to change. Or, am I wrong on that?

68 makeitstop  Jun 13, 2015 12:15:03pm

Here’s Whitfield’s ‘courageous and brave’ remark:

What a total brain fart on her part. The dangers of having to fill up air time, I guess.

But she’s been in the news game a long time. She really should have checked herself before saying that.

69 BeachDem  Jun 13, 2015 12:16:51pm

re: #51 Shiplord Kirel

The initial freeper response is riotously funny in its well nigh uniform rush to blame blacks, Muslims, or even gays for this assault. The winking, knowing sarcasm is especially prominet.

re: #56 CuriousLurker

I just went by to make sure the Freepers started out blaming Muslims/Blacks. They did, by the 3rd comment.

Freepers: Muslim! Black! Black Muslim! [Insert scores of racist, bigoted comments.]

Upon learning it was a local white guy?

Freepers: Leftist! Atheist! Liberal RAT! Bill Ayers, etc.

I wish they’d be less predictable. It’s getting kinda boring.

According to the “well-informed” comments on the Dallas newspaper article (WHY did I read the comments??) he’s a

leftist, liberal, atheist who had his child stolen by an Obama-appointed Texas judge (yes, Obama appoints all judges in all jurisdictions everywhere) and said child was then put into foster care to be raped (actually, the guy’s mother got custody) and then the guy was released on other charges by a liberal, leftist judge (also Obama-appointed, I guess) and that’s why this all happened.

So—in summary—all Obama’s fault!!

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70 blueraven  Jun 13, 2015 12:17:24pm

all 10 reports now posted at twitter account

71 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2015 12:17:35pm

U.S. Poised to Put Heavy Weaponry in East Europe

nytimes.com

RIGA, Latvia — In a significant move to deter possible Russian aggression in Europe, the Pentagon is poised to store battle tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and other heavy weapons for as many as 5,000 American troops in several Baltic and Eastern European countries, American and allied officials say.

The proposal, if approved, would represent the first time since the end of the Cold War that the United States has stationed heavy military equipment in the newer NATO member nations in Eastern Europe that had once been part of the Soviet sphere of influence. Russia’s annexation of Crimea and the war in eastern Ukraine have caused alarm and prompted new military planning in NATO capitals.

It would be the most prominent of a series of moves the United States and NATO have taken to bolster forces in the region and send a clear message of resolve to allies and to Russia’s president, Vladimir V. Putin, that the United States would defend the alliance’s members closest to the Russian frontier. More

72 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 13, 2015 12:22:45pm

re: #45 Eclectic Cyborg

Best guess: Non zombie mercenary carjackers and other potential non zombie threats.

Ah, the fabled “marauders,” that is, welfare moochers and clueless libruls who didn’t have sense enough to prepare for the apocalypse.

73 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 13, 2015 12:25:04pm

re: #68 makeitstop

Here’s Whitfield’s ‘courageous and brave’ remark:

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Video

What a total brain fart on her part. The dangers of having to fill up air time, I guess.

But she’s been in the news game a long time. She really should have checked herself before saying that.

Video already gone.

74 Nyet  Jun 13, 2015 12:26:15pm

twitter.com has posted the Tamir report.

75 Kragar  Jun 13, 2015 12:30:25pm
76 ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2015 12:31:17pm

Is ‘heat index’ the opposite of ‘wind chill’?

Right now in Columbus, local weather is reporting a temp of 87° that feels like 92°.

I do not like!

77 Tigger2  Jun 13, 2015 12:32:41pm

re: #76 ObserverArt

Is ‘heat index’ the opposite of ‘wind chill’?

Right now in Columbus, local weather is reporting a temp of 87° that feels like 92°.

I do not like!

It’s the humidity level that does that.

78 ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2015 12:33:34pm

re: #68 makeitstop

Here’s Whitfield’s ‘courageous and brave’ remark:

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Video

What a total brain fart on her part. The dangers of having to fill up air time, I guess.

But she’s been in the news game a long time. She really should have checked herself before saying that.

Awww man…the video has been removed by the user. Probably to protect the dumbasses.

79 makeitstop  Jun 13, 2015 12:34:52pm

re: #73 Eclectic Cyborg

Video already gone.

Mediaite got it.

80 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2015 12:35:04pm

This is weak sauce indeed.

81 ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2015 12:35:22pm

re: #77 Tigger2

It’s the humidity level that does that.

I know. And it bums me out. Maybe we need some wind to chill it out. I am no good in high humidity and high temps. I freaking hate it. And it is mid-June. I am not looking forward to July and August.

82 Nyet  Jun 13, 2015 12:35:42pm

re: #80 Justanotherhuman

What bullshit. What was that, 5 sec?

83 gwangung  Jun 13, 2015 12:37:01pm

re: #82 Nyet

What bullshit. What was that, 5 sec?

Seriously.

And we KNOW the officers lied multiple times in their police report (about giving three warnings and giving first aid).

84 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2015 12:37:27pm

re: #82 Nyet

The cop hadn’t even exited the cruiser; in fact, the cruiser hadn’t even come to a complete stop,

BULLSHIT statement all around.

85 makeitstop  Jun 13, 2015 12:37:37pm

re: #82 Nyet

What bullshit. What was that, 5 sec?

I heard on the radio the other day that investigators put it closer to 2 seconds.

The police cruiser hadn’t even stopped rolling and Tamir was already on the ground.

86 Nyet  Jun 13, 2015 12:38:25pm

“He gave me no choice” - no, moron, you had always had a choice.

87 Tigger2  Jun 13, 2015 12:38:35pm

re: #80 Justanotherhuman

This is weak sauce indeed.

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In a situation like that were you don’t know what to expect, you could have pulled up across the street and assessed the situation and maybe opened a dialog.

88 ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2015 12:38:56pm

Cop butt protection. Good for outright lies!

Grrrrrrr.

89 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 13, 2015 12:39:23pm

Iconic gunmaker Colt is on the brink of bankruptcy
They defaulted on a $10M interest payment.

Believe it or not, Forbes used this photo to illustrate the article:

James Bond used a Colt gun in this scene.

My caption: “Enough lawyer bullshit, Colt. Pay up!”

90 ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2015 12:39:54pm

re: #87 Tigger2

In a situation like that were you don’t know what to expect, you could have pulled up across the street and assessed the situation and maby opened a dialog.

That may have not been brave and courageous enough.

/

91 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2015 12:40:03pm

re: #87 Tigger2

In a situation like that were you don’t know what to expect, you could have pulled up across the street and assessed the situation and maby opened a dialog.

And of course they couldn’t tell it was a young boy, either, could they?

Fucking covering their asses in the worst possible way.

92 Targetpractice  Jun 13, 2015 12:41:15pm

re: #80 Justanotherhuman

This is weak sauce indeed.

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This sounds like the half-assed excuse you give after you’ve spent days avoiding your friend for breaking some prized possession of his, something like “It just happened.” No, dipshit, you had a choice and your choice was to shoot a kid without any warning or time to surrender.

93 Tigger2  Jun 13, 2015 12:43:16pm

re: #92 Targetpractice

This sounds like the half-assed excuse you give after you’ve spent days avoiding your friend for breaking some prized possession of his, something like “It just happened.” No, dipshit, you had a choice and your choice was to shoot a kid without any warning or time to surrender.

Yeah I gave better excuses then that in grade school. haha

94 Romantic Heretic  Jun 13, 2015 12:44:33pm

My first thought when I heard about the incident this morning?

“That took longer than I thought it would.”

95 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2015 12:44:42pm

He was just a boy, looked no more than 12, too. This is not an old photo but one from a recent class, iirc.

Tamir Rice, RIP
96 blueraven  Jun 13, 2015 12:45:38pm
“He gave me no choice. He reached for the gun and there was nothing I could do,” Loehmann told a fellow officer in the moments after he shot Tamir at a gazebo outside the Cudell Recreation Center last Nov. 22.

The report also notes that Loehmann and his partner each refused to be interviewed by sheriff’s investigators. The report, however, notes the observations of fellow officers, many of whom said Loehmann appeared distraught after the shooting when police learned that Tamir was much younger than first thought and that his gun was actually a BB gun.

97 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2015 12:46:47pm
98 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 13, 2015 12:47:57pm

re: #34 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Remember when Gore was debating Perot over NAFTA and how Perot said that NAFTA would lead to a giant sucking sound of jobs leaving?

Now let’s fast forward to Last Week Tonight when Jon Oliver did his segment on Big Tobacco using a treaty to usurp Australia’s plain packaging laws.

So, assuming that TPA and TTIP survive the 60-day review period and get signed into law, nothing prevents any of these multinationals from pulling the same kind of shenanigans that Phillip Morris did and move IP from country to country in order to get around countries laws-including the US.

So when the Obama Administration claims that TPA and TTIP won’t result in our surrendering our laws and sovereignty-well, history is very cruel teacher. Just ask Germany and their dealings with Vattenfall when Germany announced they were going to retire nuclear plants in 20 years-Vettenfall sued the German government for lost profits (I shit you not).

99 Tigger2  Jun 13, 2015 12:49:15pm

re: #97 Justanotherhuman

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And why would anyone but lunatics pull up right next to someone they have been told had a gun,

100 Targetpractice  Jun 13, 2015 12:49:59pm

re: #96 blueraven

The report also notes that Loehmann and his partner each refused to be interviewed by sheriff’s investigators. The report, however, notes the observations of fellow officers, many of whom said Loehmann appeared distraught after the shooting when police learned that Tamir was much younger than first thought and that his gun was actually a BB gun.

But not so distraught that it kept him and his buddy from grabbing Tamir’s sister, cuffing her, and throwing her in the back of their patrol car.

101 Nyet  Jun 13, 2015 12:50:06pm

re: #99 Tigger2

And why would anyone but lunatics pull up right next to someone they have been told had a gun,

This is the main question.
This is what I meant by him always having had a choice.

102 gwangung  Jun 13, 2015 12:50:11pm

re: #87 Tigger2

In a situation like that were you don’t know what to expect, you could have pulled up across the street and assessed the situation and maybe opened a dialog.

This suggests the officer intended to shoot the moment he got out of his car.

Seriously. If you know you’re confronting someone with a gun, you don’t stop five feet from him and let him draw first.

103 Nyet  Jun 13, 2015 12:50:34pm

re: #100 Targetpractice

There’s a term for that - crocodile tears.

104 Nyet  Jun 13, 2015 12:52:15pm

re: #97 Justanotherhuman

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Worse, didn’t they tell him to drop the gun? Which he would then have to reach for.

105 ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2015 12:52:16pm

See you all later. I am not in a good place with the Cleveland crap and am only going to be bitter. Best to do something creative and come back when in a productive rather than negative mood.

106 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2015 12:53:05pm

This is such bullshit.

My grandson bought a pellet gun that is metal and heavy, but it doesn’t look like a long gun that I’ve ever seen. You’d think a cop would be able to discern the differences. But that cop wasn’t having any discernment; he saw a Black kid with a gun and assumed the worst.

107 Kryptik  Jun 13, 2015 12:54:08pm

re: #106 Justanotherhuman

They didn’t even see a black kid. They saw black. Fuck’s sake, didn’t they radio in after the shooting and estimate him at fucking 20 or something?

108 Nyet  Jun 13, 2015 12:55:28pm

There’s still a very slim hope that the Grand Jury will decide correctly.

109 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 13, 2015 12:56:24pm

I was under the impression most BB/Pellet guns were supposed to have a bright orange tip specifically to make them easy to distinguish from the real thing.

110 blueraven  Jun 13, 2015 12:56:43pm

re: #98 Eric The Fruit Bat

Remember when Gore was debating Perot over NAFTA and how Perot said that NAFTA would lead to a giant sucking sound of jobs leaving?

Now let’s fast forward to Last Week Tonight when Jon Oliver did his segment on Big Tobacco using a treaty to usurp Australia’s plain packaging laws.

So, assuming that TPA and TTIP survive the 60-day review period and get signed into law, nothing prevents any of these multinationals from pulling the same kind of shenanigans that Phillip Morris did and move IP from country to country in order to get around countries laws-including the US.

So when the Obama Administration claims that TPA and TTIP won’t result in our surrendering our laws and sovereignty-well, history is very cruel teacher. Just ask Germany and their dealings with Vattenfall when Germany announced they were going to retire nuclear plants in 20 years-Vettenfall sued the German government for lost profits (I shit you not).

So are we to assume nothing has been learned from mistakes of treaties dating back more than 20 years?

Also, that trade agreement was between Australia and Hong Kong. Have our laws in the USA been directly and successfully challenged by another country?

111 jaunte  Jun 13, 2015 12:57:19pm

re: #109 Eclectic Cyborg

I was under the impression most BB/Pellet guns were supposed to have a bright orange tip specifically to make them easy to distinguish from the real thing.

But that would be onerous regulation.

112 Nyet  Jun 13, 2015 12:57:40pm

re: #109 Eclectic Cyborg

I was under the impression most BB/Pellet guns were supposed to have a bright orange tip specifically to make them easy to distinguish from the real thing.

This gun was disassembled once and they apparently couldn’t fit the tip back on.

113 Nyet  Jun 13, 2015 12:59:00pm

re: #109 Eclectic Cyborg

114 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2015 12:59:03pm

re: #107 Kryptik

They didn’t even see a black kid. They saw black. Fuck’s sake, didn’t they radio in after the shooting and estimate him at fucking 20 or something?

That was another CYA moment for them. White-sounding guy on this 911 call saying gun was probably fake. Then, I don’t know if it’s real or not.

latimes.com

115 Tigger2  Jun 13, 2015 12:59:54pm

re: #109 Eclectic Cyborg

I was under the impression most BB/Pellet guns were supposed to have a bright orange tip specifically to make them easy to distinguish from the real thing.

That wouldn’t even help now.
Images of Colored Guns.
Some of these real guns look more like toys then toy guns look like toys, We need to do away with colored guns.
google.com

116 Targetpractice  Jun 13, 2015 1:00:09pm

re: #106 Justanotherhuman

This is such bullshit.

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My grandson bought a pellet gun that is metal and heavy, but it doesn’t look like a long gun that I’ve ever seen. You’d think a cop would be able to discern the differences. But that cop wasn’t having any discernment; he saw a Black kid with a gun and assumed the worst.

Let’s just call this report what it is: Blaming Rice’s death on his own actions so as to (once again) absolve a fellow cop of any blame whatsoever.

117 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2015 1:00:26pm

re: #112 Nyet

The rifle type pellet gun my grandson bought has no orange tip.

118 Romantic Heretic  Jun 13, 2015 1:00:58pm

re: #89 Shiplord Kirel

Iconic gunmaker Colt is on the brink of bankruptcy
They defaulted on a $10M interest payment.

Believe it or not, Forbes used this photo to illustrate the article:

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My caption: “Enough lawyer bullshit, Colt. Pay up!”

I thought that, thanks to the enormous fear being spread about Obama and all the evil things he is going to do, that guns were flying off the shelves.

Was I wrong? If not then it takes some doing to go out of business in a seller’s market.

119 Targetpractice  Jun 13, 2015 1:01:35pm

This is like the Crawford case, where the cops shot him within seconds of catching sight of him, then tried to claim that he was waving the “gun” around and aiming it at people, when he was on his fucking cellphone!

120 jaunte  Jun 13, 2015 1:02:01pm

“BB guns aren’t required to have orange-tipped barrels.”
blogs.findlaw.com

121 nearly-headless smith25  Jun 13, 2015 1:03:02pm

Let’s also remember that Ohio is an Open Carry State. Crawford and Rice(the one they assumed was 20) would be legally allowed to carry as they were. They were shot for one reason alone.

122 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2015 1:06:20pm
123 Jay C  Jun 13, 2015 1:07:39pm

re: #77 Tigger2

It’s the humidity level that does that.

Yep. Just like Florida. Or Hell.*

*terms are interchangeable

124 wrenchwench  Jun 13, 2015 1:07:41pm
125 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 13, 2015 1:07:41pm

re: #122 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The clown posse now has actual arrest powers!

126 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2015 1:07:51pm

For chrissakes, Denver Post.

127 Romantic Heretic  Jun 13, 2015 1:08:18pm

re: #110 blueraven

So are we to assume nothing has been learned from mistakes of treaties dating back more than 20 years?

Also, that trade agreement was between Australia and Hong Kong. Have our laws in the USA been directly and successfully challenged by another country?

This is the problem. We don’t know! The entirety of both treaties is secret.

As pointed out history indicates that we shouldn’t be hopeful until we see what’s being negotiated.

128 Targetpractice  Jun 13, 2015 1:08:47pm

I’ll take a guess why Loehmann was “distraught.” He’s gunned down what he thought was a “thug” who was waving his “piece” around and scaring the white folk, but then was informed he’d shot a kid with a fucking BB gun. At that point, he panicked because he knew his ass was gonna fry.

129 TedStriker  Jun 13, 2015 1:13:05pm

re: #128 Targetpractice

I’ll take a guess why Loehmann was “distraught.” He’s gunned down what he thought was a “thug” who was waving his “piece” around and scaring the white folk, but then was informed he’d shot a kid with a fucking BB gun. At that point, he panicked because he knew his ass was gonna fry.

Then, with the aftermaths of Crawford, Garner, and Brown (in addition to the actions and staements of his own department post-mortem), I’m sure he was no longer distraught, because he knew he was likely in the clear, barring a prosecutor taking charge and bring charges as in Balitmore.

Another fucking whitewash, another dead black person swept under the blue rug.

130 blueraven  Jun 13, 2015 1:14:56pm

re: #127 Romantic Heretic

This is the problem. We don’t know! The entirety of both treaties is secret.

As pointed out history indicates that we shouldn’t be hopeful until we see what’s being negotiated.

And we will get to see the completed deal. We can read the whole thing. Then congress can vote yes or no.

131 Targetpractice  Jun 13, 2015 1:16:59pm

re: #129 TedStriker

Then, with the aftermaths of Crawford, Garner, and Brown (in addition to the actions and staements of his own department post-mortem), I’m sure he was no longer distraught, because he knew he was likely in the clear, barring a prosecutor taking charge and bring charges as in Balitmore.

Another fucking whitewash, another dead black person swept under the blue rug.

Oh, we saw the CYA start within a matter of days, when the “arrest report” was written up to accuse Rice of “menacing” and “causing panic.” Gotta get it into the record that he was such a “scary” little black kid.

132 blueraven  Jun 13, 2015 1:26:06pm
133 wrenchwench  Jun 13, 2015 1:26:12pm
134 Targetpractice  Jun 13, 2015 1:27:35pm

re: #132 blueraven

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Let’s all take a second to think about how likely it is that prosecutor is going to let half the shit that makes Loehmann look guilty either appear before the grand jury without some measure of excuse-making.

136 Jenner7  Jun 13, 2015 1:32:06pm

re: #132 blueraven

Wait, did the prosecutor decide to go to a grand jury?

137 FemNaziBitch  Jun 13, 2015 1:36:44pm

how is it now?

138 BeachDem  Jun 13, 2015 1:38:36pm

re: #96 blueraven

Oh, well as long as he appeared “distraught” after murdering the child, no biggie.//

I wonder if he was more “distraught” or less “distraught” than when he melted down on his prior law enforcement job because of a fight with his girlfriend?

Spit.

139 Nyet  Jun 13, 2015 1:38:56pm

re: #136 Jenner7

Yeah.

140 wrenchwench  Jun 13, 2015 1:39:34pm

A Brit working in Istanbul says:

141 blueraven  Jun 13, 2015 1:41:00pm

re: #136 Jenner7

Wait, did the prosecutor decide to go to a grand jury?

Scott Taylor says it is policy

142 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 13, 2015 1:41:04pm

It was unbelievably reckless for the Cleveland cop to drive the car right up to what has been reported as an armed man, and skid to a stop with the cop on the passenger side fully exposed in the potential line of fire. This could well have been fatal for the second officer if Tamir had been an actual bad guy rather than a child.
The more normal procedure would be to stop the car as soon as you recognize the subject, and as close to some kind of additional cover as possible. The car should be pointed straight at the subject so the officers can use the doors for cover while they get out. Once behind cover, the officers can challenge the subject from there.

143 gwangung  Jun 13, 2015 1:45:11pm

re: #142 Shiplord Kirel

It was unbelievably reckless for the Cleveland cop to drive the car right up to what has been reported as an armed man, and skid to a stop with the cop on the passenger side fully exposed in the potential line of fire. This could well have been fatal for the second officer if Tamir had been an actual bad guy rather than a child.

Not unless the cop decided he wanted to get the drop on the “bad guy” and pop him the moment he got out of the car.

The more I think about it, the more I’m convinced that the ass intended to shoot “the perp” the moment he got out of the car.

144 Jenner7  Jun 13, 2015 1:47:09pm

It seems rather absurd to me to even argue whether the officer was negligent. Yeah, yeah, court of law and junk. But, I only had to watch one time to know he murdered that child.

145 DodgerFan1988  Jun 13, 2015 1:48:13pm

The Conservatives new talking point of the day: Tamir Rice was shooting at car tires, he wasn’t an innocent kid.

146 Eigth Immortal  Jun 13, 2015 1:48:23pm

re: #110 blueraven

So are we to assume nothing has been learned from mistakes of treaties dating back more than 20 years?

Also, that trade agreement was between Australia and Hong Kong. Have our laws in the USA been directly and successfully challenged by another country?

No, the US has never lost an Investor-state dispute case. I don’t believe Australia has either.

147 BeachDem  Jun 13, 2015 1:57:49pm

re: #144 Jenner7

It seems rather absurd to me to even argue whether the officer was negligent. Yeah, yeah, court of law and junk. But, I only had to watch one time to know he murdered that child.

The other thing that seems to be overlooked in all of the reporting is that the guy should have never been hired by Cleveland in the first place--his pathetic record at his prior law enforcement job should have been a gigantic red flag to keep the idiot away from a police job.

148 b_sharp  Jun 13, 2015 1:58:02pm

re: #145 DodgerFan1988

The Conservatives new talking point of the day: Tamir Rice was shooting at car tires, he wasn’t an innocent kid.

If he was shooting at car tires it would have been obvious to the cops it wasn’t a real gun.

149 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 13, 2015 1:58:40pm

re: #143 gwangung

Not unless the cop decided he wanted to get the drop on the “bad guy” and pop him the moment he got out of the car.

The more I think about it, the more I’m convinced that the ass intended to shoot “the perp” the moment he got out of the car.

It’s grotesque but reasonable to conclude that he not only intended to shoot but knew that the subject was not going to shoot him first.

150 Belafon  Jun 13, 2015 1:59:48pm

re: #48 Eclectic Cyborg

Riddle me this: Why haven’t I, to the best of my memory, seen one single photo of a Black or Asian Open Carry nut?

We have a black open carry group here in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. They get followed by cops when they wonder about.

151 jaunte  Jun 13, 2015 2:03:14pm

Golf clap.

152 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2015 2:03:15pm

True fact, says MrBWS:

153 Nyet  Jun 13, 2015 2:07:03pm

re: #151 jaunte

Douchebag Club.

154 jaunte  Jun 13, 2015 2:07:58pm

re: #153 Nyet

Almost like a NASCAR event with all those sponsor logos hanging in the background.

155 gwangung  Jun 13, 2015 2:09:34pm

re: #153 Nyet

Douchebag Club,

Damn….thought you were talking about Cleveland.

156 Nyet  Jun 13, 2015 2:10:08pm

God knows it was gonna disappear any second now, but brave Sir Robin Abbott saved it from the godless liberal Mozlems!

157 b_sharp  Jun 13, 2015 2:11:51pm

re: #151 jaunte

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Golf clap.

That looks like the ‘All Things Dead’ store in the movie Roxanne.

158 RadicalModerate  Jun 13, 2015 2:12:28pm

re: #151 jaunte

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Golf clap.

There’s something to be said about a Republican Governor who signs an open-carry law in a gun store while surrounded by ten white men, and not a POC (with the exception of one guy who might be hispanic) in sight.

159 blueraven  Jun 13, 2015 2:12:46pm

re: #146 Eigth Immortal

No, the US has never lost an Investor-state dispute case. I don’t believe Australia has either.

From Ron Wyden. Not exactly a corporate flunky.

Over the last several weeks, there have been some misstatements about what this trade package will and will not do.

The far-fetched hypotheticals keep coming. At this rate, you’re bound to hear that a future president working on a trade deal might have second thoughts about the Louisiana Purchase.

It is absolutely vital, in my view, to keep this debate grounded in facts. And the fact is, the bipartisan legislation passed by the Finance Committee says in clear terms that trade deals cannot change or override American laws or regulations. But still, there’s a lot of spin out there regarding this legislation and potential future trade agreements.

Many of these hypotheticals are centered on a common part of trade deals called Investor State Dispute Settlement, or ISDS. Over the course of three decades with ISDS in our trade deals, the U.S. has never lost a single dispute settlement case or paid one dime in penalties. In fact, our country has been sued only 17 times. So the notion that ISDS causes a tidal wave of litigation is wrong.

[…]

My bottom line is this. The bipartisan trade legislation that’s now before the Senate will go further than ever before to protect American sovereignty and affirm the fact that only democratically elected leaders write the laws in this country. And done right, our trade policies will help guarantee that American companies - who have grown up here, invested here, and found opportunities to sell Brand Oregon and Brand America around the world - get the same fair treatment abroad that they get here at home.

160 jaunte  Jun 13, 2015 2:13:45pm

re: #156 Nyet

Texans have to suck up to God as much as possible or he might decide to send more rain. Or less rain.

161 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 13, 2015 2:16:54pm

re: #144 Jenner7

It seems rather absurd to me to even argue whether the officer was negligent. Yeah, yeah, court of law and junk. But, I only had to watch one time to know he murdered that child.

Who is arguing negligence?

162 Nyet  Jun 13, 2015 2:17:50pm

*eyeroll*

163 jaunte  Jun 13, 2015 2:18:51pm

re: #162 Nyet

Maybe he’s sharing Gohmert’s twitter intern.

164 Charles Johnson  Jun 13, 2015 2:19:45pm

By the way, I made a change to the way images are uploaded — if you’re uploading an image to use in a comment, it no longer makes two smaller scaled copies of the image.

The scaling feature now only happens when you’re posting Pages (or when I’m posting a front page article), because that’s where the scaled images are actually useful.

So if you’ve been annoyed by all those extra images accumulating in your library (like teleskiguy mentioned a couple of days ago), it won’t annoy you any more when you upload an image for a comment.

165 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 13, 2015 2:20:05pm

re: #162 Nyet

*eyeroll*

Scientists say they’re closer to resurrecting extinct species. Might want to start with the Founding Fathers

Texas schoolbooks got rid of Thomas Jefferson and replaced him with John Calvin.

166 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 13, 2015 2:20:36pm

re: #148 b_sharp

If he was shooting at car tires it would have been obvious to the cops it wasn’t a real gun.

That would explain their reckless approach to the supposedly dangerous subject.
If true, they knew he was harmless and they intended to shoot him anyway. That is Murder One.

167 Nyet  Jun 13, 2015 2:21:31pm

I didn’t know that FFs were a different, non-human species.

168 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 13, 2015 2:22:31pm

re: #162 Nyet

*eyeroll*

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Greg Abbott ✔@GregAbbott_TX
Scientists say they’re closer to resurrecting extinct species. Might want to start with the Founding Fathers.

Just go to the top: Jesus Christ Himself. It would be fun to see him get a whip and start chasing Republicans out of the state house.

169 blueraven  Jun 13, 2015 2:22:49pm

Seriously, Eric The Fruit Bat. You downdinged me for my comment #110

for questioning an assumption?

OK, but damn. I thought it was a normal back and forth going on.

170 b_sharp  Jun 13, 2015 2:23:00pm

re: #167 Nyet

I didn’t know that FFs were a different, non-human species.

I sent him a tweet to that effect.

171 jaunte  Jun 13, 2015 2:26:04pm

Next, Abbott will try to trade in his Amex card for a Texmex card.

172 Nyet  Jun 13, 2015 2:26:49pm

re: #168 Shiplord Kirel

Just go to the top: Jesus Christ Himself. It would be fun to see him get a whip and start chasing Republicans out of the state house.

But wouldn’t that cancel out the resurrection and salvation and damn us all for eternity? /

173 Timothy Watson  Jun 13, 2015 2:28:03pm
174 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 13, 2015 2:29:22pm

re: #172 Nyet

But wouldn’t that cancel out the resurrection and salvation and damn us all for eternity? /

Nah, we would have two resurrections instead of one, sort of an insurance policy.

175 Nyet  Jun 13, 2015 2:30:52pm

re: #174 Shiplord Kirel

Nah, we would have two resurrections instead of one, sort of an insurance policy.

Good engineering thinking. Redundancy doesn’t hurt.

176 Nyet  Jun 13, 2015 2:33:00pm
As Lapin put it, “the good Lord created men with an infinite capacity to produce seed at almost any age whereas he chose to create women with an absolute finite limited number of eggs. And so the loss of an egg every month, for any sensitive woman, is sad because it’s one less opportunity for life. And so foolish and insensitive people say, ‘Oh, it’s just a hormonal imbalance,’ it isn’t; it’s a genuine, authentic sadness which suffuses any sensitive woman at the loss of an egg.”

Beck, of course, was blown away by this revelation.

“Wow, I’ve never thought of it that way,” he said. “It is actually a God-given sadness.”

rightwingwatch.org

177 Timothy Watson  Jun 13, 2015 2:33:04pm

Shocker:

178 BeachDem  Jun 13, 2015 2:36:13pm

The fix is definitely in:

The “redacted” FBI agent in the report explains away the inaction of the murderers:

The officers seemed to freeze, the agent said. “They wanted to do something, but they didn’t know what to do,” the agent told investigators. Uh huh

Loehmann, who had sprained his ankle while falling back after the shooting, was described as distraught by the agent.

Aw, poor baby.

The agent guessed that Tamir, who was 5-foot-7 and weighed 195 pounds, was an “older teenager.”

Quite the observation about a kid lying on the ground bleeding—did the agent have a tape measure and scale in his bag o’tricks?

Then we get to the “how the fuck could the kid respond to anything when you killed him within 2 seconds” question.

Cleveland police said Loehmann told him three times to drop the weapon before the boy reached toward his waistband and the officer fired.

Sheriff’s detectives wrote that from witness interviews it was unclear if Loehmann shouted anything to Tamir from inside the cruiser before opening fire.

Oh—that explains everything doesn’t it—maybe officer asshole was shouting through a closed window as the car was moving in—um hmm.

And the wording—sooooo interesting:

the responding officers seemed almost shell-shocked… (well, all is probably forgiven then.)

Grainy, choppy surveillance video … (who ya gonna believe, officer asshole or your lying eyes?)

Ugh.

179 Tigger2  Jun 13, 2015 2:36:18pm

re: #162 Nyet

*eyeroll*

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Yeah they should start with the Founding Fathers so they can straighten you Republicans out on the way you have twisted around the meanings of what they said on a few things.

180 urbanmeemaw  Jun 13, 2015 2:36:24pm

re: #12 Lidane

Where are the parents? When will moderates start speaking out about this unchecked hatred and disrespect of police? Why wasn’t he trained to be obedient and polite to cops? If he’d just complied and acted like a civilized human being this would not have happened.

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Also, too, zombie on zombie crime.

181 BeachDem  Jun 13, 2015 2:38:47pm

re: #171 jaunte

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Next, Abbott will try to trade in his Amex card for a Texmex card.

Great—and once the gold is all in TX, somebody can buy another zombie-hunting vehicle, pull up out back, and steal the whole stash. Yee haw!

182 urbanmeemaw  Jun 13, 2015 2:45:27pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

However, the vote that took away Obama’s trade promotion authority may have scuttled the whole thing, in any case.

There was a whole lot of fear-mongering about the TPP, and now we may end up with a much worse situation — with Pacific countries making their own deals among themselves, and the US totally cut out of the equation. There’s no way this is going to lead to a better outcome.

Booman had an interesting take on this latest Congressional action:

boomantribune.com

I think his analyses are usually pretty spot on.

183 CuriousLurker  Jun 13, 2015 2:46:05pm

re: #56 CuriousLurker

I just went by to make sure the Freepers started out blaming Muslims/Blacks. They did, by the 3rd comment.

Freepers: Muslim! Black! Black Muslim! [Insert scores of racist, bigoted comments.]

Upon learning it was a local white guy?

Freepers: Leftist! Atheist! Liberal RAT! Bill Ayers, etc.

I wish they’d be less predictable. It’s getting kinda boring.

I was just thinking: Isn’t it weird how (with so many wingnuts) religion and/or skin color is only a factor that contributes to your criminal tendencies if you’re non-white? If you’re white then it’s all about your lack of religion and your political affiliation—IF you can be painted as a liberal.

If you turn out to be white conservative, then you’re a patriot who was driven to violence by feminism, abortion, the fascist police, the nanny state, Obama, etc. Or a mentally disturbed lone wolf, therefore your politics & religion don’t count. The only exception I can think of is Josh Duggar, and even that got downplayed by Fox, Huckabee, etc.

Since this guy was apparently distraught over losing custody of his child, I wonder how long it’ll be before the MRA’s start making excuses for him?

184 goddamnedfrank  Jun 13, 2015 2:46:41pm

True story.

185 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 13, 2015 2:46:49pm

re: #179 Tigger2

Yeah they should start with the Founding Fathers so they can straighten you Republicans out on the way you have twisted around the meanings of what they said on a few things.

They want Zombie Founding Fathers just like they have Zombie Reagan: Blank canvasses onto which they can project their own idiotic ideology.

186 TedStriker  Jun 13, 2015 2:49:05pm

re: #173 Timothy Watson

Hey, Texas Stadium would be perfect for that!

187 blueraven  Jun 13, 2015 2:49:34pm

re: #183 CuriousLurker

I was just thinking: Isn’t it weird how (with so many wingnuts) religion and/or skin color is only a factor that contributes to your criminal tendencies if you’re non-white? If you’re white then it’s all about your lack of religion and your political affiliation—IF you can be painted as a liberal.

If you turn out to be white conservative, then you’re a patriot who was driven to violence by feminism, abortion, the fascist police, the nanny state, Obama, etc. Or a mentally disturbed lone wolf, therefore your politics & religion don’t count. The only exception I can think of is Josh Duggar, and even that got downplayed by Fox, Huckabee, etc.

Since this guy was apparently distraught over losing custody of his child, I wonder how long it’ll be before the MRA’s start making excuses for him?

Probably not long! But as both the mother and Boulware were found unfit to parent by the court, I don’t think they have a leg to stand on…as if they ever do.

188 Belafon  Jun 13, 2015 2:51:44pm

re: #162 Nyet

Abbott and the others would be very surprised at what the founding fathers said about abortion.

189 TedStriker  Jun 13, 2015 2:51:57pm

re: #178 BeachDem

The fix is definitely in:

The “redacted” FBI agent in the report explains away the inaction of the murderers:

The officers seemed to freeze, the agent said. “They wanted to do something, but they didn’t know what to do,” the agent told investigators. Uh huh

Loehmann, who had sprained his ankle while falling back after the shooting, was described as distraught by the agent.

Aw, poor baby.

The agent guessed that Tamir, who was 5-foot-7 and weighed 195 pounds, was an “older teenager.”

Quite the observation about a kid lying on the ground bleeding—did the agent have a tape measure and scale in his bag o’tricks?

Then we get to the “how the fuck could the kid respond to anything when you killed him within 2 seconds” question.

Cleveland police said Loehmann told him three times to drop the weapon before the boy reached toward his waistband and the officer fired.

Sheriff’s detectives wrote that from witness interviews it was unclear if Loehmann shouted anything to Tamir from inside the cruiser before opening fire.

Oh—that explains everything doesn’t it—maybe officer asshole was shouting through a closed window as the car was moving in—um hmm.

And the wording—sooooo interesting:

the responding officers seemed almost shell-shocked… (well, all is probably forgiven then.)

Grainy, choppy surveillance video … (who ya gonna believe, officer asshole or your lying eyes?)

Ugh.

Once again, the fix was in.

190 CuriousLurker  Jun 13, 2015 2:52:01pm

re: #176 Nyet

rightwingwatch.org

Hahahahahaha—it’s hard to believe someone actually said that with a straight face. I don’t recall ever being sad about the passing of an effing egg. I just… *snerk* Hahahahahahaha… *gasp* Hahahahahahaha…

Prolly ‘cause I’m a liberal and we hate kids (and eggs) or whatever. Oh crap, I feel another wave coming on… Hahahahahahaha…

191 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 13, 2015 2:53:27pm

200th anniversary of Waterloo is coming up this week, gonna celebrate next weekend with a blowout on my gaming table, around 1,000 painted 1/72 figures doing the battle of Quatre Bras (the fight for the strategic crossroads the day before Waterloo).

Just finished 120 Dutch & Belgian troops, starting on the Brunswick Avant Garde unit. Only problem is that the latter are just too cool and ironically self-distanced to actually stand or march in line…

192 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 13, 2015 2:54:45pm

re: #171 jaunte

What problem does he think he’s solving by relocating the physical gold to Texas? Isn’t he aware that the process of relocation will cause a loss ?

193 Targetpractice  Jun 13, 2015 2:55:53pm

re: #178 BeachDem

And you can be sure that, when the prosecutor finally puts this before the grand jury, that FBI agent will take center stage to tell them how “distraught” Loehmann was and how there’s just no way he could have made a bad call because the agent couldn’t tell that it was a BB gun so how could the officers? The lack of eyewitnesses saying Loehmann shouted to Rice to drop the gun? Oh, surely we can’t trust the eyewitnesses, you know how wrong they always are. No, this agent is gonna be the prosecutor’s go-to guy for getting Loehmann free.

194 goddamnedfrank  Jun 13, 2015 2:57:53pm

I’m just going to step right on the land mine.

195 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 13, 2015 2:59:15pm

re: #182 urbanmeemaw

Also note that a shitpot full of Republicans gave Obama a big middle finger to this deal as well. Now you have to figure how many of these are true 100% anti-Obama vs. those who truly believe that TPA and TTIP are a shit sandwich for the US.

196 Targetpractice  Jun 13, 2015 3:01:46pm

re: #195 Eric The Fruit Bat

Also note that a shitpot full of Republicans gave Obama a big middle finger to this deal as well. Now you have to figure how many of these are true 100% anti-Obama vs. those who truly believe that TPA and TTIP are a shit sandwich for the US.

Yeah, instead of addressing the fact that Boehner totally failed to deliver a majority of Republican votes, they’re screaming “DEMOCRATS IN DISARRAY!!!,” as if it was supposed to be a given that Democrats would support whatever the President proposed.

197 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 13, 2015 3:02:24pm

re: #184 goddamnedfrank

My childhood friend Diamon was 7 feet tall and black. He was six six by the time he was 15. People always said “You must be amazing at basketball”. He never played basketball. He’d tell them that, and they’d say “Well you should!” with bright smiles, like they were giving him a golden idea.

198 Belafon  Jun 13, 2015 3:04:02pm

re: #194 goddamnedfrank

I’ll accept #policelivesmatter if the also include #blacklivesmatter every time a black person is killed by cop

199 blueraven  Jun 13, 2015 3:04:57pm

Wow, so the dispatcher who failed to pass along the info to police that Tamir Rice was a child and that the gun was probably a fake, refused to answer any questions in the investigation. She is lawyered up.

I am afraid no one will be held accountable for not properly doing their jobs, resulting in a dead kid. Not the dispatcher and not the cops.

Let us watch the RW defend this while berating teachers at every turn for any tiny infraction, real or perceived.

smh

200 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 13, 2015 3:05:16pm

re: #162 Nyet

201 Timothy Watson  Jun 13, 2015 3:09:52pm

re: #200 Eric The Fruit Bat

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THE NEW YORKERS ARE STEALING OUR GOLD!!1!

202 TedStriker  Jun 13, 2015 3:10:41pm

re: #199 blueraven

Wow, so the dispatcher who failed to pass along the info to police that Tamir Rice was a child and that the gun was probably a fake, refused to answer any questions in the investigation. She is lawyered up.

I am afraid no one will be held accountable for not properly doing their jobs, resulting in a dead kid. Not the dispatcher and not the cops.

Let us watch the RW defend this while berating teachers at every turn for any tiny infraction, real or perceived.

smh

Swept under the blue rug, once again.

203 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jun 13, 2015 3:10:51pm

re: #47 Justanotherhuman

the next logical step is for Texas to mandate crosses in every church to be represented not by tree limbs or hand cut wood but by crossed assault rifles.

Then, Texas will mandate a Texas-scientific way to have gun juice made and required intravenously injections for every child in school.

204 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 13, 2015 3:11:01pm
205 blueraven  Jun 13, 2015 3:13:54pm

re: #204 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I await the freak-out by the usual suspects.

206 goddamnedfrank  Jun 13, 2015 3:14:16pm

LOL.

207 Dark_Falcon  Jun 13, 2015 3:16:54pm

re: #1 GlutenFreeJesus

Bullet proof windows*

*No, not really.

Well, the police used a .50 BMG rifle on the vehicle and something designed to stop rounds of 7.62X39mm is not going to fare well against 12.7X99mm armor-piercing rounds.

208 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 13, 2015 3:19:46pm

re: #162 Nyet

209 jaunte  Jun 13, 2015 3:23:19pm

re: #200 Eric The Fruit Bat

I’m almost certain this is another public expense that will only benefit the private, connected players.

210 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 13, 2015 3:25:25pm

re: #209 jaunte

I can’t wait when the transport happens and organized crime picks off the load in transit.

211 HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2015 3:25:42pm

re: #208 Eric The Fruit Bat

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I can’t believe this guy is a governor. He comes off more stupid than Perry. And I know he’s trying to be clever by acting like the Founding Fathers were a distinct species but I would actually say we got plenty of men and women today who are as brilliant as them in our government. Unfortunately for Mr. Abbott, he’s not close to being one of them.

212 Dark_Falcon  Jun 13, 2015 3:27:10pm

re: #211 HappyWarrior

I can’t believe this guy is a governor. He comes off more stupid than Perry. And I know he’s trying to be clever by acting like the Founding Fathers were a distinct species but I would actually say we got plenty of men and women today who are as brilliant as them in our government. Unfortunately for Mr. Abbott, he’s not close to being one of them.

Abbott’s not an idiot, is the thing. He’s actually got a pretty good brain, but he uses it to put on stunts he thinks wingnuts will want to see.

213 HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2015 3:28:23pm

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

Abbott not an idiot, is the thing. He’s actually got a pretty good brain, but he uses it to put on stunts he thinks wingnuts will want to see.

Okay, so he’s like Bobby Jindal then. He likes acting like an idiot because that’s how you get far in GOP politics these days.

214 Cheechako  Jun 13, 2015 3:30:47pm

re: #200 Eric The Fruit Bat

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Just makes the gold closer to home so it can be substituted for gold painted lead bars.

215 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 13, 2015 3:31:30pm

re: #211 HappyWarrior

He’s a steaming pile of right-wing hypocrisy. He’s trying to cap payouts for paralyzed individuals that he himself benefited from.

If I ever ran across him in an accident, he would be an individual I would not render aid to.

216 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 13, 2015 3:32:32pm

re: #214 Cheechako

Replace Lead with Tungsten. Tungsten is closer to Gold’s density.

217 teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2015 3:33:38pm

re: #164 Charles Johnson

Thanks Charles! I noticed this change. Annoyance is a strong word, I wouldn’t describe my tinkering with my Image Library as annoyance. I got into this routine where I erased the two smaller images after I posted an image, it became reflexive over the months.

218 blueraven  Jun 13, 2015 3:33:45pm

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

Abbott not an idiot, is the thing. He’s actually got a pretty good brain, but he uses it to put on stunts he thinks wingnuts will want to see.

No, he really doesn’t have a “good brain”. He has spent a lot of taxpayer money on stupid shit.

219 HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2015 3:34:49pm

re: #215 Eric The Fruit Bat

He’s a steaming pile of right-wing hypocrisy. He’s trying to cap payouts for paralyzed individuals that he himself benefited from.

If I ever ran across him in an accident, he would be an individual I would not render aid to.

Yeah I didn’t know he was paralyzed until recently. Seems like he took the exact opposite mindset FDR did after FDR got wheelchair confined.

220 teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2015 3:35:06pm

Can we call the Texas state government what it is, the RWNJ Talk Radio governance?

221 stpaulbear  Jun 13, 2015 3:35:46pm

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

Abbott not an idiot, is the thing. He’s actually got a pretty good brain, but he uses it to put on stunts he thinks wingnuts will want to see.

And he’s willing to sign all the idiotic bills that TX wingnuts pass.

222 HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2015 3:36:19pm

re: #220 teleskiguy

Can we call the Texas state government what it is, the RWNJ Talm Radio governance?

When George W. Bush looks good (remember how poorly Texas rated under education when he was governor) compared to your successors, you got problems. And what’s disturbing is Abbott’s Lt Governor Dan Patrick is even more batshit whacko and probably actually believes the bs he spews.

223 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 13, 2015 3:36:44pm

If Abbot has a good brain he should donate it to someone who will use it.

224 jaunte  Jun 13, 2015 3:36:49pm

re: #221 stpaulbear

And he’s willing to sign all the idiotic bills that TX wingnuts pass.

Because they only hurt people in his state that he doesn’t give a shit about.

225 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 13, 2015 3:37:33pm

re: #223 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

If Abbot has a good brain he should donate it to someone who will use it.

DROPS MIC!

226 teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2015 3:37:34pm

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

He’s actually got a pretty good brain

You know who else had a pretty good brain?

227 jaunte  Jun 13, 2015 3:37:55pm

re: #226 teleskiguy

Abbie Normal?

228 HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2015 3:37:56pm

re: #221 stpaulbear

And he’s willing to sign all the idiotic bills that TX wingnuts pass.

Yeah so honestly I probably have less respect for a guy like that than an actual idiot when I really think about it.

229 wrenchwench  Jun 13, 2015 3:38:01pm

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

Abbott not an idiot, is the thing. He’s actually got a pretty good brain, but he uses it to put on stunts he thinks wingnuts will want to see.

That means the brain may be OK, but the heart is faulty.

230 b_sharp  Jun 13, 2015 3:38:45pm

So?

231 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 13, 2015 3:39:25pm

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

I missed your defense of Mark Kirk today. Bros without Ho’s. What say you?

232 goddamnedfrank  Jun 13, 2015 3:40:47pm

Getting a little tired of the “he’s not stupid, just crafty in a really retarded way” defense.

233 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 13, 2015 3:42:55pm

re: #223 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

If Abbot has a good brain he should donate it to someone who will use it.

Abb-ot? Abb-ie? Abb-ie normal?

234 teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2015 3:43:30pm

Here’s something that should give you pause. Only 25% of voting-age citizens in Texas even bothered to show up to vote in the 2014 gubernatorial election. And now your poor Texans are being governed by Yosemite Sam in a wheelchair.

235 b_sharp  Jun 13, 2015 3:43:43pm

re: #232 goddamnedfrank

Getting a little tired of the “he’s not stupid, just crafty in a really retarded way” defense.

So they aren’t stupid, just immoral liars.

236 HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2015 3:44:32pm

re: #232 goddamnedfrank

Getting a little tired of the “he’s not stupid, just crafty in a really retarded way” defense.

What I don’t think he realizes is that this actually makes them look worse in many of our eyes. I have much more respect for an individual who may not be intelligent or informed but is willing to educate themselves than someone like Abbott or Jindal who apparently are intelligent but they act this way for votes.

237 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 13, 2015 3:45:27pm

re: #236 HappyWarrior

What I don’t think he realizes is that this actually makes them look worse in many of our eyes. I have much more respect for an individual who may not be intelligent or informed but is willing to educate themselves than someone like Abbott or Jindal who apparently are intelligent but they act this way for votes.

Yeah. When people say Ann Coulter is just playing a role, that makes her so much shittier a human being.

238 HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2015 3:45:58pm

re: #234 teleskiguy

Here’s something that should give you pause. Only 25% of voting-age citizens in Texas even bothered to show up to vote in the 2014 gubernatorial election. And now your poor Texans are being governed by Yosemite Sam in a wheelchair.

Local elections should have the highest turnouts since those policies impact us the most on a daily basis but alas they do not. I was actually polled recently. And to my own embarrassment, I had no idea who either of the two Democrats running for State Senate and the house of delegates were. I wager to you that most Americans have no idea who their state senator/delegate are.

239 HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2015 3:48:11pm

re: #237 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

Yeah. When people say Ann Coulter is just playing a role, that makes her so much shittier a human being.

Precisely. And to be clear I actually didn’t call Abbott stupid, I said he was acting more stupid than Perry which actually fits into what we’re saying.

240 jaunte  Jun 13, 2015 3:53:04pm
241 Dark_Falcon  Jun 13, 2015 3:55:59pm

re: #216 Eric The Fruit Bat

Replace Lead with Tungsten. Tungsten is closer to Gold’s density.

No, because the tungsten is needed for non-DU armor-piercing rounds for various weapons, the M1A2’s 120mm cannon for example.

242 HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2015 3:56:35pm

re: #240 jaunte

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Sheesh.

243 Pawn of the Oppressor  Jun 13, 2015 3:58:10pm

re: #208 Eric The Fruit Bat

The Founding Fathers wouldn’t last ten minutes in this political climate. All that “knowing stuff” and “thinking about consequences” and all that old-fashioned 18th-century erudition? They’d be torn apart as stuffy old nerds and laughed out of whatever TV show or press conference you put them in.

Most of these Freedumb-fellators calling themselves “patriots” and admirers of the Founding Fathers probably couldn’t parse period speech, never mind debate with any of those men.

244 goddamnedfrank  Jun 13, 2015 3:58:49pm

re: #236 HappyWarrior

What I don’t think he realizes is that this actually makes them look worse in many of our eyes. I have much more respect for an individual who may not be intelligent or informed but is willing to educate themselves than someone like Abbott or Jindal who apparently are intelligent but they act this way for votes.

There’s also the fact that telling a lie over and over again actually causes a person to believe it. Similarly, people repeatedly saying shit that they know is stupid actually makes them stupid.

It’s basic child development. Most kids go through a phase where they actually figure this stuff out on their own, even if they never articulate it.

245 freetoken  Jun 13, 2015 4:02:49pm

Get this bratfrat headline: “CLIMATE EXPERT: MARXISTS, GLOBAL WARMING EXTREMISTS CONTROL VATICAN”

You get one guess as to whom they are applying the noun “EXPERT”.

246 HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2015 4:03:08pm

re: #244 goddamnedfrank

There’s also the fact that telling a lie over and over again actually causes a person to believe it. Similarly, people repeatedly saying shit that they know is stupid actually makes them stupid.

It’s basic child development. Most kids go through a phase where they actually figure this stuff out on their own, even if they never articulate it.

A good point too.

247 teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2015 4:03:12pm

re: #238 HappyWarrior

I wager to you that most Americans have no idea who their state senator/delegate are.

I am represented in the Colorado State House by Dianne Mitsch-Busch (D-Steamboat Springs) the State Senate by Kerry Donovan (D-Vail), the US Congress by Scott Tipton (R-Cortez) and my US Senators are Cory Gardner (R-Yuma) and Michael Bennet (D-Denver).

I am not “most Americans.”

248 Decatur Deb  Jun 13, 2015 4:04:56pm

re: #245 freetoken

Get this bratfrat headline: “CLIMATE EXPERT: MARXISTS, GLOBAL WARMING EXTREMISTS CONTROL VATICAN”

You get one guess as to whom they are applying the noun “EXPERT”.

Rhymes with “Yeller”?

249 HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2015 4:05:20pm

re: #247 teleskiguy

I am represented in the Colorado State House by Dianne Mitsch-Busch (D-Steamboat Springs) the State Senate by Kerry Donovan (D-Vail), the US Congress by Scott Tipton (R-Cortez) and my US Senators are Cory Gardner (R-Yuma) and Michael Bennet (D-Denver).

I am not “most Americans.”

Va State House of Delegates- Dave LaRock
Va State Senate- Dick Black
House- Barbara Comstock
Senate- Mark Warner & Tim Kaine.
But yeah I just wish more Democratic voters would realize that these local races impact us a lot. Hey though. Steamboat Springs? Isn’t that near Silverthorne? My brother and his wife lived out there for a little while.

250 freetoken  Jun 13, 2015 4:08:48pm

re: #248 Decatur Deb

Rhymes with “Yeller”?

In this case, the name doesn’t rhyme with anything (easily), though scam does rhyme with ham.

251 Decatur Deb  Jun 13, 2015 4:09:38pm

From The Hill, caught by 538:

$9.1 million per day
How much money the Pentagon spent on average to combat ISIS from last August through May, according to a new report.
[thehill.com]

At that, we’re trying to do it on the cheap.

252 HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2015 4:11:04pm

re: #250 freetoken

In this case, the name doesn’t rhyme with anything (easily), though scam does rhyme with ham.

Oh damn that was going to be my guess. I saw that he got butthurt about Miley Cyrus calling Noah’s ark nonsense.

253 HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2015 4:11:27pm

re: #251 Decatur Deb

From The Hill, caught by 538:

$9.1 million per day
How much money the Pentagon spent on average to combat ISIS from last August through May, according to a new report.
[thehill.com]

At that, we’re trying to do it on the cheap.

But Obama’s an appeaser.//

254 teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2015 4:13:03pm

re: #249 HappyWarrior

Hey though. Steamboat Springs? Isn’t that near Silverthorne? My brother and his wife lived out there for a little while.

90 minutes to the north. I lived there for eight years.

255 freetoken  Jun 13, 2015 4:14:41pm

re: #252 HappyWarrior

Perhaps I misled you. It was not the creationist.

Rather, it was the LORD HIGH DENIER (love that bratfrat upper-case embrace). Who is the biggest ham on the denier circuit, and also a sham, given how he presents himself as a UK gov’t expert and as a “lord”.

256 HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2015 4:14:54pm

re: #254 teleskiguy

90 minutes to the north. I lived there for eight years.

Ah okay. My brother’s a big snowboarder. Always been into the extreme sports since we were kids.

257 HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2015 4:15:27pm

re: #255 freetoken

Perhaps I misled you. It was not the creationist.

Rather, it was the LORD HIGH DENIER (love that bratfrat upper-case embrace). Who is the biggest ham on the denier circuit, and also a sham, given how he presents himself as a UK gov’t expert and as a “lord”.

Oh so not Ken Ham but “Lord” Monckton instead. Thanks for clarifying.

258 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2015 4:15:43pm

re: #240 jaunte

Texas LE are slow learners, aren’t they?

259 Cheechako  Jun 13, 2015 4:15:54pm

re: #247 teleskiguy

Do you have a relative in Steamboat named Kim?

260 De Kolta Chair  Jun 13, 2015 4:16:37pm

re: #251 Decatur Deb

$9.1 million per day
How much money the Pentagon spent on average to combat ISIS from last August through May, according to a new report.

At that, we’re trying to do it on the cheap.

“That’s way, way, way too much!” — Rand Paul

261 jaunte  Jun 13, 2015 4:16:53pm

re: #258 Justanotherhuman

I believe they do recruit from the Moregunsgood tribe.

262 teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2015 4:17:07pm

re: #259 Cheechako

Do you have a relative in Steamboat named Kim?

I don’t.

263 Cheechako  Jun 13, 2015 4:18:07pm

re: #262 teleskiguy

I don’t.

Thanks but I think you know who I’m referring to.

264 teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2015 4:19:13pm
265 teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2015 4:21:01pm

re: #263 Cheechako

Thanks but I think you know who I’m referring to.

Li’l Kim, from Pass Christian, MS?

266 Cheechako  Jun 13, 2015 4:21:58pm

re: #265 teleskiguy

Li’l Kim, from Pass Christian, MS?

No, local leader for the Big Green Machine.

267 BeachDem  Jun 13, 2015 4:25:08pm

I worry that… pseudo-science and superstition will seem year by year more tempting, the siren song of unreason more sonorous and attractive. Where have we heard it before?

Whenever our ethnic or national prejudices are aroused, in times of scarcity, during challenges to national self-esteem or nerve, when we agonize about our diminished cosmic place and purpose, or when fanaticism is bubbling up around us-then, habits of thought familiar from ages past reach for the controls.

The candle flame gutters. Its little pool of light trembles. Darkness gathers. The demons begin to stir.

Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World:Science as a Candle in the Dark

268 freetoken  Jun 13, 2015 4:28:12pm

This will probably be worth catching:

Coming: ‘First Peoples’ on PBS

269 wrenchwench  Jun 13, 2015 4:29:17pm
270 goddamnedfrank  Jun 13, 2015 4:32:12pm
271 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2015 4:34:56pm

Report: South Korea reports 7 more MERS cases, bringing total to 145 - @YonhapNews
read more on yonhapnews.co.kr

272 Amory Blaine  Jun 13, 2015 4:35:07pm

re: #151 jaunte

Those corporate flags behind him really drive that image home.

273 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 13, 2015 4:35:28pm

re: #237 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

Yeah. When people say Ann Coulter is just playing a role, that makes her so much shittier a human being.

Ann Coulter is the ultimate hypocrite. She believes women shouldn’t vote.

274 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2015 4:36:20pm

Shit.

275 Dark_Falcon  Jun 13, 2015 4:37:03pm

re: #251 Decatur Deb

From The Hill, caught by 538:

$9.1 million per day
How much money the Pentagon spent on average to combat ISIS from last August through May, according to a new report.
[thehill.com]

At that, we’re trying to do it on the cheap.

We’re sending more:

White House pledges Iraq another $9 million in aid

276 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2015 4:39:26pm
277 HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2015 4:39:30pm

re: #273 Eric The Fruit Bat

Ann Coulter is the ultimate hypocrite. She believes women shouldn’t vote.

She is basically Phyillis Schalfry if they decided to make Phyillis “sexy.”

278 freetoken  Jun 13, 2015 4:40:03pm

Je$u$ Inc., in action:

Nikki Haley, Bobby Jindal explain their faith during The Response prayer meeting Saturday

Evangelicals worshiped and swayed to gospel songs inside the North Charleston Coliseum on Saturday as part of “The Response: a Call to Prayer for Our Nation,” where Gov. Nikki Haley asked for blessings on families, troops and those struggling to break free from the addiction of drugs and alcohol.

As one of the lead-off speakers, Haley spoke of those brutally beheaded overseas on account of their beliefs, families struggling to find work in America, and also of “Ferguson and Baltimore, where we are seeing complete collapse.”

[…]

While promoters insisted the meeting was not to be injected with politics, the crowd, which looked to be at about 3,000 at its peak, was made up largely of the types of church-attending voters projected to dominate the state’s Republican presidential primary in February.

[…]

279 Dark_Falcon  Jun 13, 2015 4:41:15pm

re: #274 Justanotherhuman

280 wrenchwench  Jun 13, 2015 4:41:24pm

Later, lizards.

281 Justanotherhuman  Jun 13, 2015 4:43:50pm

UK agents ‘moved over Snowden files’

bbc.com

UK intelligence agents have been moved because Russia and China can read files stolen by a US whistleblower, a senior government source has told the BBC.

The Sunday Times is reporting that Russia and China have cracked the encryption of the computer files.

The government source told the BBC the countries “have information” that led to agents being moved but added there was “no evidence” any had been harmed.

Edward Snowden, now in Russia, leaked intelligence data two years ago.

More

It hasn’t sunk in for a lot of people just how much Snowden has compromised the security of not just the US but our allies as well.

282 Dark_Falcon  Jun 13, 2015 4:51:17pm

re: #281 Justanotherhuman

UK agents ‘moved over Snowden files’

bbc.com

UK intelligence agents have been moved because Russia and China can read files stolen by a US whistleblower, a senior government source has told the BBC.

The Sunday Times is reporting that Russia and China have cracked the encryption of the computer files.

The government source told the BBC the countries “have information” that led to agents being moved but added there was “no evidence” any had been harmed.

Edward Snowden, now in Russia, leaked intelligence data two years ago.

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It hasn’t sunk in for a lot of people just how much Snowden has compromised the security of not just the US but our allies as well.

Too many were blinded by the ‘snow job’, but those understand how things really work see the Snowden Operation for what it really is.

283 DodgerFan1988  Jun 13, 2015 4:57:38pm

Right Wingers commenting they’re glad that “thug” Tamir Rice is dead. And these people call themselves Pro-Life.
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284 BeachDem  Jun 13, 2015 4:58:11pm

re: #278 freetoken

Je$u$ Inc., in action:

Nikki Haley, Bobby Jindal explain their faith during The Response prayer meeting Saturday

Oh, Nikki, so worried about “Ferguson and Baltimore, where we are seeing complete collapse…” and
“families, troops and those struggling to break free from the addiction of drugs and alcohol.”

She should spend a bit more time worrying about women being beaten and murdered in her very own state. (But that would’t get the big response from your fellow travelers, would it, Nikki?)

More than 300 women were shot, stabbed, strangled, beaten, bludgeoned or burned to death over the past decade by men in South Carolina, dying at a rate of one every 12 days while the state does little to stem the carnage from domestic abuse.

More than three times as many women have died here at the hands of current or former lovers than the number of Palmetto State soldiers killed in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars combined.

Fuck Nikki Haley and the rest of her phony pious buddies.
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285 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 13, 2015 4:58:36pm

Feds Eye Link to Private Contractor in Massive Government Hack

The hackers who recently launched a massive cyber-attack on the U.S. government, exposing sensitive information of millions of federal workers and millions of others, may have used information stolen from a private government contractor to break into federal systems, according to sources briefed on the matter.

Authorities suspect the hackers, likely from China, entered the U.S. Office of Personnel Management’s computer systems after first gaining access last year to the systems of KeyPoint Government Solutions — one of the primary providers of background checks for the U.S. government, sources said…

Because the private sector, which also employed Mr. Snowden, always does a better job than the government.

286 urbanmeemaw  Jun 13, 2015 5:25:47pm

re: #195 Eric The Fruit Bat

Also note that a shitpot full of Republicans gave Obama a big middle finger to this deal as well. Now you have to figure how many of these are true 100% anti-Obama vs. those who truly believe that TPA and TTIP are a shit sandwich for the US.

Well if Obama supports it Republicans automatically won’t, so there’s that.

287 Decatur Deb  Jun 13, 2015 5:28:37pm

re: #275 Dark_Falcon

We’re sending more:

White House pledges Iraq another $9 million in aid

FOB F-18.

288 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 13, 2015 5:41:54pm

re: #285 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Because the private sector, which also employed Mr. Snowden, always does a better job than the government.

It also conveniently deflects accountability and responsibility. Funny thing is that this is one of the key responsibilities of the NSA-information Assurance.

NSA’s Information Assurance Directorate (IAD) protects and defends National Security Information and Information Systems, in accordance with National Security Directive 42. National Security Systems are defined as systems that handle classified information or information otherwise critical to military or intelligence activities.

IAD is responsible for NSA’s defensive mission and is widely acknowledged for leading innovative security solutions. Partnering extensively with government, industry, and academia, allows IAD to ensure appropriate security solutions are in place to protect and defend information systems, as well as our Nation’s critical infrastructure. IAD’s work is guided by its vision to create “Confidence in Cyberspace.”

What Do We Do?

IAD delivers mission enhancing cyber security technologies, products, and services that enable customers and clients to secure their networks; trusted engineering solutions that provide customers with flexible, timely and risk sensitive security solutions; as well as, traditional IA engineering and fielded solutions support.
Information Assurance Operations which include remote and deployed operational groups, with 24X7 integrated support as needed that protect critical national security networks.
Fusion, Analysis, and Mitigations teams that analyze and characterize large volumes of IA data, using an automated and persistent approach to identify vulnerabilities, and develop solutions to mitigate them.
Training and security awareness support.
The Key Management Infrastructure that provisions end cryptographic units.

So, why should we trust the NSA with spying on US citizens when they couldn’t protect our own systems form (what it looks like) the Chinese?

If there is any justice in this whole thing, at least those in the higher echelons of the intelligence community are about to get a big taste of “oh, fuck” thanks to the mismanagement of security thanks to the idiots of the NSA, OPM, DHS and who the fuck else is involved in this massive clusetrfuck.


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