Blogger Linked to Chuck Johnson’s Crusade Against Thad Cochran Sentenced to 2.5 Years in Prison

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Chuck Johnson posing in front of Thad Cohran’s house

Far right blogger Clayton Kelly, an associate of cyberstalker Chuck C. Johnson in his crusade to smear Sen. Thad Cochran in Mississippi, has now been sentenced to 2 and a half years in prison for conspiring to take video of Cochran’s wife as she lay bedridden in a nursing home.

Kelly on Monday was sentenced to 2 1/2 years in prison for his role in the conspiracy to photograph the late wife of Sen. Thad Cochran as she lay in her nursing home bed suffering dementia. John Mary and Richard Sager had previously pleaded guilty and got no jail time in exchange for their cooperation. Another defendant, Richland attorney Mark Mayfield, committed suicide in June 2014, about a month after his arrest.

Kelly, an aspiring political blogger, was egged on by others to photograph Rose Cochran at St. Catherine’s Village nursing home. He used the image in a political hit piece video against Cochran, who was in the biggest political battle of his long career in his re-election battle against tea party challenger state Sen. Chris McDaniel.

Records released Monday show online correspondence between Kelly, other defendants and others about the scheme to create a video showing Cochran was having an affair with a longtime staffer while his wife languished in a nursing home.

From testimony from an investigator and records introduced Monday, it appears Mary, a former radio talk show host and tea party leader from Hattiesburg, was the ring leader in the plan to photograph Rose Cochran and make the hit piece video.

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Chapman said it’s been his experience with armed robberies and other crimes that the smarter criminals talk the less intelligent ones into doing the actual crime.

“This defendant probably fits into that category,” Chapman said before sentencing Kelly.

Chuck C. Johnson offered a $2000 bounty for photos of Cochran’s wife in the nursing home (screenshots from Google’s cache):

… and continued to defend Clayton Kelly on Twitter for this disgusting scheme, even after he was arrested and charged:

Kelly’s wife apparently tried to talk him out of it:

The judge noted a statement from Kelly’s wife that “I told him it was a stupid idea and that it was just plain wrong,” and said he couldn’t sum it up any better.

He should have listened to her.

Note: Chuck Johnson was subpoenaed to appear before a grand jury in Mississippi in a related case, but ignored it.

UPDATE at 6/15/15 6:54:03 pm by Charles Johnson

Here are some of the creepy messages these right wing conspirators exchanged as they schemed to break into the nursing home: ‘Great Work, Ace Ventura’: Cochran Photo Case Messages.

(h/t: @ProgressGA.)

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660 comments

1 Kragar  Jun 15, 2015 3:23:57pm

Guessing Chuck has no plans to visit Clay anytime soon

2 Ace-o-aces  Jun 15, 2015 3:25:11pm
3 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 15, 2015 3:26:17pm

I swear if I ever see Chucky around these parts I’ll turn him in myself.

4 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 15, 2015 3:28:25pm

If I read the article correctly, it’s unlikely he’ll do the full 2.5 years, so we’ll have to see what happens.

5 HappyWarrior  Jun 15, 2015 3:32:28pm

It was a disgusting thing they did to the senator’s wife. Really shows you that they’ll do anything for power.

6 Tigger2  Jun 15, 2015 3:34:11pm

re: #4 Eric The Fruit Bat

If I read the article correctly, it’s unlikely he’ll do the full 2.5 years, so we’ll have to see what happens.

I thought he would do the whole 2.5 years because he was really sentenced to 4 something years.

7 TedStriker  Jun 15, 2015 3:36:46pm

re: #6 Tigger2

I thought he would do the whole 2.5 years because he was really sentenced to 4 something years.

The maximum sentence of five years: half in prison, half on probation

8 ipsos  Jun 15, 2015 3:39:12pm

Dear Chuck,

I can get you back on Twitter.

But you have to meet me in person in Jackson, Mississippi to make it happen.

9 Tigger2  Jun 15, 2015 3:39:36pm

re: #7 TedStriker

Five..half in prison, half on probation

Then you add the good behavior and stuff like that to the 2.5 which come make it shorter. Ok understand now.

10 Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2015 3:42:49pm

Added a screenshot of Chuck’s offer of a $2000 bounty for photos of Cochran’s wife in the nursing home. How is this not considered suborning a crime?

11 TedStriker  Jun 15, 2015 3:45:46pm

re: #8 ipsos

Dear Chuck,

I can get you back on Twitter.

But you have to meet me in person in Jackson, Mississippi to make it happen.

12 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 15, 2015 3:48:39pm

Dim Jim thinks the Pope is not Catholic==>

13 Kragar  Jun 15, 2015 3:51:31pm

re: #12 The Vicious Babushka

Dim Jim thinks the Pope is not Catholic==>

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14 #FergusonFireside  Jun 15, 2015 3:52:49pm

Red Francis.

smh

15 Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2015 3:53:41pm
16 Justanotherhuman  Jun 15, 2015 3:53:42pm
17 Justanotherhuman  Jun 15, 2015 3:55:14pm
18 Xamichee  Jun 15, 2015 3:56:25pm

Looks like Chuckie’s world is crumbling…. the Twitter ban, the Jessica Testa fiasco (which he’s been absolutely silent about), now this. No new articles on his website.

Should we be worried about Chuckie? Maybe check in with #HotAsianWife to see how he’s doing? Put him on 72-hr watch? Something?

On a serious note, though… I think he could blow his top, and it could be very ugly.

19 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2015 3:56:26pm
20 Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2015 3:58:34pm

re: #12 The Vicious Babushka

Dim Jim thinks the Pope is not Catholic==>

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Oh, how horrible, that a pope from South America would not have grown up in a world of plenty and know the plight of the poor rather than buying into the wingnut fantasy of charities being able to take care of all the poor’s problems.

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21 Justanotherhuman  Jun 15, 2015 3:58:41pm

re: #19 Backwoods_Sleuth

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No locusts? It’s all good, then. ; /

22 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2015 4:00:41pm

re: #17 Justanotherhuman

23 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2015 4:01:27pm
24 Justanotherhuman  Jun 15, 2015 4:04:01pm

Game postponed due to storms.

25 Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2015 4:04:05pm
26 #FergusonFireside  Jun 15, 2015 4:05:05pm
27 Justanotherhuman  Jun 15, 2015 4:09:27pm

re: #26 #FergusonFireside

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And oh, it’s rich!

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28 Kid A  Jun 15, 2015 4:09:55pm

LOOK AT THIS COMMIE BASTARD!!!

29 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2015 4:19:39pm
30 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 15, 2015 4:21:38pm

re: #28 Kid A

No dignity? That’s not a problem for the conservatives of 2015.

31 freetoken  Jun 15, 2015 4:26:16pm

Waiting for the right wing screed about PAPIST!! heresy.

In the good ol’ days, real Protestants had no problem calling the Bishop of Rome the Antichrist.

32 freetoken  Jun 15, 2015 4:28:59pm

One headline says it all:

Jeb Bush runs away from his family name

Of course Millbank couldn’t help himself:

If Jeb Bush is going to run for president as something other than a Bush, it will take a transformation worthy of Rachel Dolezal.

33 Snarknado!  Jun 15, 2015 4:35:17pm

re: #29 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’d say more so. Lots of dinosaurs are herbivorous, and they’re all dumb. Fear Jurassic Cats.

34 CuriousLurker  Jun 15, 2015 4:38:54pm

OT (photography question) - This might be a stupid question, but I can’t figure it out and would rather look stupid than continue not knowing.

In the specs for some lenses the angle of view is indicated in degrees. I understand what that means. Others show degrees followed by what looks like feet:

59° 10’
57° 30’
107° 30’ - 74° 20’

That 2nd number has me stumped and Google isn’t helping. Anyone?

35 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 15, 2015 4:39:23pm

re: #34 CuriousLurker

OT (photography question) - This might be a stupid question, but I can’t figure it out and would rather look stupid than continue not knowing.

In the specs for some lenses the angle of view is indicated in degrees. I understand what that means. Others show degrees followed by what looks like feet:

59° 10’
57° 30’
107° 30’ - 74° 20’

That 2nd number has me stumped and Google isn’t helping. Anyone?

Arc minutes, pretty sure.

36 EPR-radar  Jun 15, 2015 4:40:15pm

re: #35 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Arc minutes, pretty sure.

That looks right to me.

Edited to add: However, it seems completely insane to give the field of view of a lens to that precision. It’s like saying I weigh 150.3645 pounds.

37 CuriousLurker  Jun 15, 2015 4:40:16pm

re: #35 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Arc minutes, pretty sure.

In English, please? ;)

38 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 15, 2015 4:40:50pm

re: #37 CuriousLurker

In English, please? ;)

One sixtieth of a degree. :) Here’s the wiki page, as I have since confirmed that I was right.

39 freetoken  Jun 15, 2015 4:41:57pm

re: #34 CuriousLurker

Degrees, Minutes, Seconds - that is an old form of angular reckoning.

In the digital age most people use decimal degrees, but the old ways continue among some.

40 CuriousLurker  Jun 15, 2015 4:42:18pm

re: #38 klys (maker of Silmarils)

One sixtieth of a degree. :) Here’s the wiki page, as I have since confirmed that I was right.

Yay—thank youuuu! Sometimes it doesn’t help to use Google if you don’t know the name of what you’re looking for.

41 freetoken  Jun 15, 2015 4:44:48pm

We can blame the Babylonians for all this, btw.

42 freetoken  Jun 15, 2015 4:45:01pm

12 is a magic number.

43 CuriousLurker  Jun 15, 2015 4:45:18pm

See? Less than five minutes here and like that—*snaps fingers*—I’m already smarter. Easy peasy. Thanks to all who responded.

44 Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2015 4:48:06pm

re: #32 freetoken

One headline says it all:

Jeb Bush runs away from his family name

Of course Millbank couldn’t help himself:

There really is nothing funnier than Jeb Bush making a visible effort to avoid being associated with his brother.

45 EPR-radar  Jun 15, 2015 4:48:46pm

re: #42 freetoken

12 is a magic number.

IIRC, the Babylonians used base 60 notation for their numbers.

46 freetoken  Jun 15, 2015 4:49:05pm

re: #44 Targetpractice

There really is nothing funnier than Jeb Bush making a visible effort to avoid being associated with his brother.

Except when Jeb next claims that it is the “liberals” who just want power.

47 freetoken  Jun 15, 2015 4:49:23pm

re: #45 EPR-radar

60 = magic number x your fingers

48 EPR-radar  Jun 15, 2015 4:50:38pm

re: #44 Targetpractice

There really is nothing funnier than Jeb Bush making a visible effort to avoid being associated with his brother.

Indeed. A race that ends up being billed as Clinton 2.0 vs. Bush 3.0 doesn’t scare me at all.

Clinton vs. Walker, Cruz or Rubio make me more nervous.

49 Kragar  Jun 15, 2015 4:50:49pm
50 Belafon  Jun 15, 2015 4:51:05pm

re: #47 freetoken

60 = magic number x your fingers

It’s useful that 60 is divisible by 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 10, 12, 15, 20, 30, and 60.

51 Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2015 4:51:19pm

re: #46 freetoken

Except when Jeb next claims that it is the “liberals” who just want power.

Oh yeah, the bit about the presidency should not be passed from liberal to the next? He sure knocked that one into the cheap seats, didn’t he?

52 Tigger2  Jun 15, 2015 4:54:52pm

re: #51 Targetpractice

Oh yeah, the bit about the presidency should not be passed from liberal to the next? He sure knocked that one into the cheap seats, didn’t he?

He’s the third Bush trying to be the President I think he needs to stop regroup and rethink that stupid comment about who’s just wanting to have power.

53 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 15, 2015 4:55:37pm
54 CuriousLurker  Jun 15, 2015 4:56:28pm

re: #43 CuriousLurker

One of the benefits of NOT being the smartest person in the room.

See? Less than five minutes here and like that—*snaps fingers*—I’m already smarter. Easy peasy. Thanks to all who responded.

I’m just sayin’.

Later, lizards.

55 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 15, 2015 4:58:18pm
56 sagehen  Jun 15, 2015 5:11:29pm

re: #44 Targetpractice

There really is nothing funnier than Jeb Bush making a visible effort to avoid being associated with his brother.

He could get some real mileage from the remaining Sensible Conservatives out of announcing that he now realizes his Dad’s foreign policy was exponentially superior to his brother’s… more realist, less end-times fanatacist…

57 EPR-radar  Jun 15, 2015 5:15:02pm

re: #56 sagehen

He could get some real mileage from the remaining Sensible Conservatives out of announcing that he now realizes his Dad’s foreign policy was exponentially superior to his brother’s… more realist, less end-times fanatacist…

What is the point of going after the votes of 30% or less of GOP primary voters?

58 #FergusonFireside  Jun 15, 2015 5:15:07pm

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59 goddamnedfrank  Jun 15, 2015 5:18:48pm

This one is precious and super duper retarded:

60 blueraven  Jun 15, 2015 5:25:16pm
61 Zamb  Jun 15, 2015 5:25:50pm

re: #57 EPR-radar

What is the point of going after the votes of 30% or less of GOP primary voters?

Because 10 other people are going after the other chunks

62 EPR-radar  Jun 15, 2015 5:33:05pm

re: #61 Zamb

Because 10 other people are going after the other chunks

Fair point. However, I just don’t see a way for Jeb! to win. Even if he wins the primary, he’d be doomed in the general by the combination of relatively low turnout among the GOP base, and the Bush name among sane people.

63 HappyWarrior  Jun 15, 2015 5:35:34pm

re: #60 blueraven

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Could NRO be any more of a garbage publication?

64 EPR-radar  Jun 15, 2015 5:36:24pm

re: #59 goddamnedfrank

It’s a pity that this

What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.

is longer than 140 characters. It really is a perfect response to this kind of out and proud aggressive stupidity.

65 A Cranky One  Jun 15, 2015 5:38:34pm

Hoping Chicago wins the Stanley Cup tonight. Go Hawks!

We have flood warnings and they just issued a tornado warning for the county next door. At least the weather may keep rowdy fans under control if the Hawks win.

66 HappyWarrior  Jun 15, 2015 5:38:56pm

re: #64 EPR-radar

It’s a pity that this

is longer than 140 characters. It really is a perfect response to this kind of out and proud aggressive stupidity.

That’s why I don’t like Twitter. 140 characters is too little.

67 A Cranky One  Jun 15, 2015 5:40:14pm

re: #64 EPR-radar

It’s a pity that this

is longer than 140 characters. It really is a perfect response to this kind of out and proud aggressive stupidity.

Really only need the last sentence.

68 Zamb  Jun 15, 2015 5:41:10pm

re: #62 EPR-radar

Fair point. However, I just don’t see a way for Jeb! to win. Even if he wins the primary, he’d be doomed in the general by the combination of relatively low turnout among the GOP base, and the Bush name among sane people.

I don’t think he’ll have to worry about turning out the base in the general, these people really hate democrats, like it’s all they live for type of hate. The name definitely kills him in the general though. I think the hard part for him in the primary is that the establishment candidate has to have a feeling of inevitability and Jeb just doesn’t have that, it wasn’t that long ago when Christie held the “it’s his turn” position before that bridgegate thing went down. So that support will probably bleed to a few other candidates (likely Walker). So it depends on how the hardcore vote splits, if they do it like last time and there is a new front runner every week a candidate like Jeb can pull it off, if someone like Walker holds some of the establishment support while still managing a good chunk of the crazy in each state it will go to that person.

69 EPR-radar  Jun 15, 2015 5:41:11pm

re: #63 HappyWarrior

Could NRO be any more of a garbage publication?

No. Not that this is anything new. NR was formed to pretend that US conservativism have a veneer of civilization. NR is and always has been birdcage liner (virtual for the online version).

Back in the WFB days, the crypto-fascism at least included $10 words that could be used as vocabulary building material.

70 Belafon  Jun 15, 2015 5:43:26pm

re: #59 goddamnedfrank

Seems like a good time to link to the twitter reasons for kicking Chuck off. I don’t have it, but someone here does.

71 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 15, 2015 5:44:05pm
72 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2015 5:45:09pm
73 Jenner7  Jun 15, 2015 5:45:12pm

Just. Insane.

74 goddamnedfrank  Jun 15, 2015 5:46:29pm

re: #70 Belafon

Seems like a good time to link to the twitter reasons for kicking Chuck off. I don’t have it, but someone here does.

I already had by the time I posted that. Didn’t matter.

I indulged the stupid for far too long. Muted it now.

75 jamesfirecat  Jun 15, 2015 5:48:23pm

re: #73 Jenner7

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Just. Insane.

Jesus wept, what part of “right to a fair and Speedy trial has some part of our justice system forgotten?

76 HappyWarrior  Jun 15, 2015 5:48:40pm

re: #73 Jenner7

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Just. Insane.

How the hell is this not been ruled unconstitutional?

77 Khal Wimpo  Jun 15, 2015 5:51:25pm

We’re about 75 posts into this news item so far, and nobody’s made the obvious joke about CCJ shitting his pants at hearing this news?

People. People.

I’m really disappointed in you all.

78 Belafon  Jun 15, 2015 5:51:33pm

re: #76 HappyWarrior

How the hell is this not been ruled unconstitutional?

He’s black.

79 EPR-radar  Jun 15, 2015 5:51:39pm

re: #68 Zamb

I don’t think he’ll have to worry about turning out the base in the general, these people really hate democrats, like it’s all they live for type of hate. The name definitely kills him in the general though. I think the hard part for him in the primary is that the establishment candidate has to have a feeling of inevitability and Jeb just doesn’t have that, it wasn’t that long ago when Christie held the “it’s his turn” position before that bridgegate thing went down. So that support will probably bleed to a few other candidates (likely Walker). So it depends on how the hardcore vote splits, if they do it like last time and there is a new front runner every week a candidate like Jeb can pull it off, if someone like Walker holds some of the establishment support while still managing a good chunk of the crazy in each state it will go to that person.

It’s true that the typical member of the GOP base hates the Democrats with mindless ferocity. However, these people also really despise Republicans they see as sellouts or traitors to their cause. From their point of view, the losses of McCain in 2008 and Romney in 2012 were both failures caused by insufficiently conservative GOP nominees. Conservative orthodoxy also requires that W Bush be regarded as a RINO, in order to protect conservative ideology from any criticism based on its results in practice.

For Jeb! to get the nomination, he’s going to have to be the last person standing as the loons wipe each other out, and he’s also going to have to do plenty of negative campaigning against the loons.

All this taken together is pretty much the worst possible case for an establishment GOP candidate to motivate the GOP base in a general election.

80 Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2015 5:57:13pm

re: #79 EPR-radar

Thing is, the GOP base may hate RINOs, but they hate the thought of another Democrat in office even more. So I expect Jeb to be as nasty as necessary to win the primary, secure in the knowledge that the wingnuts will turn up on Election Day just to keep Hillary out of the White House.

81 darthstar  Jun 15, 2015 5:57:33pm
82 Jenner7  Jun 15, 2015 5:58:56pm

re: #81 darthstar

Not sure if anyone has talked about this here, but could the recent hack by the Chinese have anything to do with the Snowden releasing docs??

83 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 15, 2015 5:59:21pm

From what I am seeing on Teh Wingnut Twitters, they are all fapping to Ted Cruz HE IS TEH NEW REAGAN & HE WILL RESTORE ARE BELOVED CONSTITION & BRING BACK TEH PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS LIKE TEH FOUNDING FATHERS INTENDED!!!!!!

84 goddamnedfrank  Jun 15, 2015 6:03:30pm
85 prairiefire  Jun 15, 2015 6:04:16pm

re: #80 Targetpractice

I have read comments on Redstate against Bush. They’re afraid of his last name.

86 #FergusonFireside  Jun 15, 2015 6:04:24pm

re: #76 HappyWarrior

How the hell is this not been ruled unconstitutional?

He has no $ to fight the man.

Most likely.

87 Jebediah, RBG  Jun 15, 2015 6:05:21pm

re: #36 EPR-radar

Edited to add: However, it seems completely insane to give the field of view of a lens to that precision. It’s like saying I weigh 150.3645 pounds.

I don’t know about that . You looked WAY better when you were 150.3642 pounds.

88 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jun 15, 2015 6:05:37pm

re: #76 HappyWarrior

How the hell is this not been ruled unconstitutional?

He should have had at least some court appointed representation.

89 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 15, 2015 6:06:17pm
90 darthstar  Jun 15, 2015 6:06:23pm

Okay…never let this woman clean your car.

91 TedStriker  Jun 15, 2015 6:08:18pm

re: #90 darthstar

Okay…never let this woman clean your car.

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Video

92 Romantic Heretic  Jun 15, 2015 6:08:43pm

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m wondering if Harry is having another conference with Titiania again.

93 EPR-radar  Jun 15, 2015 6:11:13pm

re: #85 prairiefire

I have read comments on Redstate against Bush. They’re afraid of his last name.

Indeed. Even without the ‘Bush’ curse, there isn’t much love for Jeb! over at RedState.

If he is the nominee, that site will be very interesting to watch, since 3rd party advocacy is a bannable offense, as is departing from ” the conservative in the primary, Republican in the general” party line.

94 Zamb  Jun 15, 2015 6:11:24pm

re: #79 EPR-radar

Thing is, he’s not going to be campaigning specifically against the lunacy, just whoever is out front at that moment. If this is anything like 2012 then the entire field will be trying to take down the king of shit mountain so they can take their rightful place as lord of the crazy. The rest of the field suffers from to much narcissism to band together in a targeted effort to take out the establishment candidate.

95 #FergusonFireside  Jun 15, 2015 6:13:38pm

re: #90 darthstar

Okay…never let this woman clean your car.

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Video

She has kids?

96 goddamnedfrank  Jun 15, 2015 6:14:41pm

Just followed me.

Why?

97 EPR-radar  Jun 15, 2015 6:15:12pm

re: #94 Zamb

Thing is, he’s not going to be campaigning specifically against the lunacy, just whoever is out front at that moment. If this is anything like 2012 then the entire field will be trying to take down the king of shit mountain so they can take their rightful place as lord of the crazy. The rest of the field suffers from to much narcissism to band together in a targeted effort to take out the establishment candidate.

What I see in this GOP primary that wasn’t there in 2012 is Walker, a fully bought tool of the Koch brothers. That’s probably the biggest single obstacle Jeb! has in the primary.

It will be interesting to see how the freak of the week pattern plays out with Walker and Bush both having the $$$ to outlast everyone else.

98 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2015 6:17:40pm

re: #96 goddamnedfrank

Just followed me.

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Why?

They are easily confused.

99 Belafon  Jun 15, 2015 6:20:01pm

re: #96 goddamnedfrank

Southern Rock with a Conservative Message

Isn’t that redundant these days?

100 #FergusonFireside  Jun 15, 2015 6:21:00pm
101 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jun 15, 2015 6:24:10pm

re: #96 goddamnedfrank

Aw, you made a friend. How nice.

102 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2015 6:25:50pm
103 prairiefire  Jun 15, 2015 6:28:36pm

Yep, just checked Redstate and they are mocking Jeb! ‘s logo and rejecting his liberal, immigrant loving ass. Must mean he will get the nomination!

104 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 15, 2015 6:29:34pm

#TCOT is getting spammed with Cruzettes.

105 freetoken  Jun 15, 2015 6:31:25pm

re: #104 The Vicious Babushka

Cruz is the the perfect hater in the far right. He can both hate immigrants and be one simultaneously.

106 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 15, 2015 6:35:50pm

re: #96 goddamnedfrank

Just followed me.

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Why?

“You’re not supposed to touch me there, Unkul Josh.”

107 A Cranky One  Jun 15, 2015 6:37:03pm

re: #104 The Vicious Babushka

#TCOT is getting spammed with Cruzettes.

A 70’s house band has taken over TCOT?
108 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 15, 2015 6:38:01pm

re: #107 A Cranky One

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LOL!!

109 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 15, 2015 6:39:00pm

Typical Cruzette*

*Ted Cruz meme, not golden oldie band

110 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 15, 2015 6:39:24pm

“What are you having for breakfast, Ted Cruz?”

111 makeitstop  Jun 15, 2015 6:40:09pm

re: #96 goddamnedfrank

Just followed me.

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Why?

The song sucks. Like Bon Jovi, without any of the stuff that made people like Bon Jovi.

112 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jun 15, 2015 6:40:34pm

re: #109 The Vicious Babushka

What about the Bible?

113 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2015 6:41:53pm

Purists are responding “idiots, it’s Voyager”.

LOL

114 Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2015 6:43:43pm

re: #103 prairiefire

Yep, just checked Redstate and they are mocking Jeb! ‘s logo and rejecting his liberal, immigrant loving ass. Must mean he will get the nomination!

Yeah, I remember how all the wingnut blogs and boards were anti-Romney…until he won the nomination, then talking bad about him was a bannin’.

115 goddamnedfrank  Jun 15, 2015 6:44:52pm

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Purists are responding “idiots, it’s Voyager”.

LOL

Still, that is nerding hard.

116 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 15, 2015 6:44:55pm

Looking at #TCOT now, it’s wall to wall Cruz

117 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 15, 2015 6:48:45pm

re: #72 Backwoods_Sleuth

118 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2015 6:48:53pm

bwahahahaaaa
She is such an idiot.

119 BlueSpotinAL  Jun 15, 2015 6:49:39pm

Someone should ask #TCOT where in the Constitution it says that blacks and whites should be able to get married.

120 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jun 15, 2015 6:49:54pm

re: #118 Backwoods_Sleuth

Should say “unravel”.

121 A Cranky One  Jun 15, 2015 6:50:57pm

Over the weekend, we had torrential rains which resulted in the sewer backing up in the basement. Fortunately it was contained to the unfinished rooms and didn’t get to the man cave. Guitars are safe! But what a nasty mess. Got everything cleaned up and sanitized.

Major flood and storm warnings today, so I decided to come home around lunchtime to keep an eye on the basement. This weekend was the first time we’ve had a problem, but was worried. Sure enough, torrential rains again and floor drains began to fountain nastiness again.

Got lucky. Was able to contain it to the concrete floors. Even more lucky, called the city and they came out within the hour to check the sewers. Most lucky, was able to get a highly recommended guy to agree to come over at 5 pm to clear the sewer line. All should be good now. Sigh.

After a day like today, it’s cathartic to watch a bunch of guys with sticks beat each other up. Am I a bad person? ;)

And the Hawks score!

122 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2015 6:51:41pm

re: #117 Eric The Fruit Bat

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hahahaha.
This morning:

Burst of laughter near end of Scalia announcement of Din. He referred to Ginsburg as Goldberg. Reminded that Justice Goldsberg is no longer sitting, he said, what did I say? He then said, “Sorry, Ruth.” You had to be there. - See more at: live.scotusblog.com

123 EPR-radar  Jun 15, 2015 6:51:57pm

re: #118 Backwoods_Sleuth

The GOP field: 1 establishment hack, 1 Koch brothers tool, and a grab-bag of assorted cranks, loons and fools.

Admittedly, this is a diverse sampling of the worst aspects of human nature.

124 Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2015 6:52:47pm

re: #118 Backwoods_Sleuth

bwahahahaaaa
She is such an idiot.

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Yes, a dozen different flavors of shit. How nice of the GOP to give us such “choice.”

125 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 15, 2015 6:53:20pm

Ted Cruz thanks his bots for all their lame memes.

126 jaunte  Jun 15, 2015 6:55:36pm

re: #96 goddamnedfrank

Garage band from conservative, suburban Lake Jackson TX.

127 Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2015 6:56:07pm

Seriously, find me a Republican who’s actually running (not theoretical but running) who says we need to do something about climate change. Or supports gay marriage, not couches it in “states rights.” Or thinks we need something other than tax cuts to fix the economy. Or has some approach to foreign policy other than “MORE WAR!”

128 teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2015 6:57:00pm
129 EPR-radar  Jun 15, 2015 6:57:13pm

re: #125 The Vicious Babushka

A GOP plan to ‘reignite the promise of America’. This must be a euphemism for burying the country neck-deep in shit and starting the world’s largest dumpster fire.

130 Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2015 6:59:59pm

Updated the post with a link to the incredibly creepy emails these wingnuts exchanged as they plotted to break into the nursing home.

These are the heirs of Breitbart.

131 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 15, 2015 7:03:38pm

re: #130 Charles Johnson

Updated the post with a link to the incredibly creepy emails these wingnuts exchanged as they plotted to break into the nursing home.

These are the heirs of Breitbart.

Was Chuck not invited to these email chitchats?

132 Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2015 7:06:20pm
133 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 15, 2015 7:07:06pm

re: #131 The Vicious Babushka

Chuck was working on the other part of the Cochrane scam (vote buying).

134 goddamnedfrank  Jun 15, 2015 7:07:25pm

¡O.o!

Best one yet.

135 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 15, 2015 7:08:53pm

Garbage fuckers who suck at being human==>

136 Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2015 7:10:44pm
137 EPR-radar  Jun 15, 2015 7:11:13pm

re: #132 Charles Johnson

Twitter “fails to unilaterally apply their TOS”? This particular preliterate should stick to 2-syllable words. Or perhaps playing with blocks and brightly colored bits of string would be a more appropriate activity.

138 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 15, 2015 7:12:51pm

re: #132 Charles Johnson

Unilaterally? I guess using words appropriately doesn’t matter when you’re on your way to making Twitter think that it’s a chicken that got caught in a tractor’s nuts.

139 teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2015 7:14:18pm

Not exactly what east-central Texas needs right now. Oy.

140 Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2015 7:15:22pm

Another stalker blog account has been shut down tonight by Twitter, but they’re giving this psycho another chance, for some reason. Maybe he’ll buy some of the products Twitter advertises.

141 TedStriker  Jun 15, 2015 7:15:30pm

re: #138 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Unilaterally? I guess using words appropriately doesn’t matter when you’re on your way to making Twitter think that it’s a chicken that got caught in a tractor’s nuts.

Nice use of a Blazing Saddles quote, dear sir…

142 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 15, 2015 7:15:57pm

re: #132 Charles Johnson

143 Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2015 7:19:10pm

re: #140 Charles Johnson

I’m gonna go out on a limb and predict this psycho stalker will promise to obey Twitter’s policies, get his account unlocked, and then go right back to the same harassment.

144 Belafon  Jun 15, 2015 7:20:17pm

re: #139 teleskiguy

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Not exactly what east-central Texas needs right now. Oy.

I think the people in Abilene are praying for it.

145 austin_blue  Jun 15, 2015 7:27:04pm

re: #139 teleskiguy

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Not exactly what east-central Texas needs right now. Oy.

Yeah, well, this is what an El Nino spring looks like, here:

waterdatafortexas.org

We end droughts with floods. That’s five years of drinking water for Austin in two weeks.

Oh, and evening, all. Got back in town from running a two-week music festival in Arkysaw last night.

Good to back in my cyber home. Hope all of the Lizard Nation is fan-fucking-tastic!

146 allegro  Jun 15, 2015 7:28:40pm

re: #144 Belafon

I think the people in Abilene are praying for it.

They do need it. Hoping it will scooch to the west so those who need the drenching get it. We sure don’t and we’re on the dirty side of it. Gonna be a tense couple of days.

147 teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2015 7:31:27pm

Hey austin_blue! Wuz wunderin’ ‘bout ye.

149 #FergusonFireside  Jun 15, 2015 7:42:55pm

Timothy isn’t here! Gators playing UVA in the College World Series right now. 0-0

150 austin_blue  Jun 15, 2015 7:43:20pm

re: #147 teleskiguy

Hey austin_blue! Wuz wunderin’ ‘bout ye.

We do 14 concerts in fourteen days, all classical, all college and post graduate kids, all on scholarship. They get there, they pay for food, and we cover the rest, which includes mentors, lodging, and music (which ain’t cheap).

Lots of chamber, but two large orchestral concerts and one chamber orchestra concert, with chorus. The big finish was Saturday, with Prelude to the Afternoon of a Faun and Daphnis and Chloe as the showstoppers. D&C is a monster.

Great festival, wonderful music, but damn, I’m worn out carting tymps and marimbas to various venues and setting up chairs and podia, getting into ceilings and setting lights, building soloist’s platforms, and everything else that nuts-and-bolts production requires.

151 teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2015 7:48:19pm

re: #150 austin_blue

Why Zappa never really could get his music played by an orchestra; too much money, too much effort, too much time. So he fronted a few rock n roll bands…

152 teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2015 7:52:23pm

re: #150 austin_blue

That sounds like a gas! I was a small child the last time I saw a full chamber orchestra play, in Beaver Creek, CO for Tchaikovsky’s 1812 Overture, with real cannons being blasted up on the hillside for the Coda!

153 William Lewis  Jun 15, 2015 7:54:04pm

re: #150 austin_blue

We do 14 concerts in fourteen days, all classical, all college and post graduate kids, all on scholarship. They get there, they pay for food, and we cover the rest, which includes mentors, lodging, and music (which ain’t cheap).

Lots of chamber, but two large orchestral concerts and one chamber orchestra concert, with chorus. The big finish was Saturday, with Prelude to the Afternoon of a Faun and Daphnis and Chloe as the showstoppers. D&C is a monster.

Great festival, wonderful music, but damn, I’m worn out carting tymps and marimbas to various venues and setting up chairs and podia, getting into ceilings and setting lights, building soloist’s platforms, and everything else that nuts-and-bolts production requires.

Debussy & Ravel? That’s a heck of a show right there. Would have loved to have heard that concert. All you’d need to add to really make an ultimate French classical music show would be Faure’. Perhaps his “Requiem”?

154 makeitstop  Jun 15, 2015 7:55:23pm

re: #131 The Vicious Babushka

Was Chuck not invited to these email chitchats?

I’m wondering if he was the caller with the number that the ring leader didn’t recognize. It would be just like CCJ to try and horn in like that.

155 goddamnedfrank  Jun 15, 2015 7:55:54pm
156 Timothy Watson  Jun 15, 2015 7:56:41pm

re: #148 The War TARDIS

Breaking News, Final Fantasy VII is getting a remake.

Aerith still dies.

*ducks*

157 A Cranky One  Jun 15, 2015 7:57:30pm

So UpChuck and his cronies are going to destroy Twitter.

Chuck plots to destroy Twitter.

I get a mental image of the super genius in a drunken haze, writing lists of all the people and organizations he plans to destroy/sue and drunk calling Alan Dershowitz for advice.

Just out of curiosity, checked his personal website and goatnews and nothing recent on either. Don’t do FB so don’t know if he’s doing anything there, but he’s not working at his claimed profession.

I must confess his “protest” picture with the mouth covered makes me chuckle. Because I always wanted the asshole to shut up.

And Chicago wins the Stanley Cup!

158 The War TARDIS  Jun 15, 2015 7:58:33pm

re: #156 Timothy Watson

The spoiler for that is expired.

The game is now 18 years old. The spoiler warning expired in the early 2000’s.

159 Timothy Watson  Jun 15, 2015 8:01:25pm

re: #158 The War TARDIS

The spoiler for that is expired.

The game is now 18 years old. The spoiler warning expired in the early 2000’s.

Oh, I wasn’t trying to spoiler anything, I was just trolling the fans who were so upset about that scene. :)

160 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2015 8:02:31pm

re: #157 A Cranky One

And Chicago wins the Stanley Cup!

162 The War TARDIS  Jun 15, 2015 8:06:19pm

re: #159 Timothy Watson

Here is the trailer.

163 austin_blue  Jun 15, 2015 8:06:48pm

re: #153 William Lewis

Debussy & Ravel? That’s a heck of a show right there. Would have loved to have heard that concert. All you’d need to add to really make an ultimate French classical music show would be Faure’. Perhaps his “Requiem”?

The first two pieces on that show were Chabrier’s España and Françaix’s L’horloge de Flore, an oboe concerto.

So, yeah, it was Froggie night.

We did the Faure a couple of years ago. A wonderful piece of music. The Pi’e, if you can find a bell-tone soprano, is just magical.

164 Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2015 8:07:26pm

re: #148 The War TARDIS

Breaking News, Final Fantasy VII is getting a remake.

I’m waiting to see what Square-Enix has to show tomorrow, if they’re going to have any gameplay so we can see if all they did was update the graphics. If that’s all they did, then I’ll save my money and just play the old game on Steam.

165 goddamnedfrank  Jun 15, 2015 8:08:20pm
166 HappyWarrior  Jun 15, 2015 8:08:33pm

I’d love it if Konami remade MGS. I’ll have to play this. I’ve never been a big RP guy but I’ll have to check it out.

167 Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2015 8:11:04pm

There’s only one game I presently have on my “Must Buy” list, and that’s Fallout 4.

168 austin_blue  Jun 15, 2015 8:11:28pm

re: #165 goddamnedfrank

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Miscegenation. The end of civilization…

169 Belafon  Jun 15, 2015 8:12:59pm

Does anyone watch Steven Universe? If so, did you catch the new intro, specifically Connie with Rose’s sword? And Pearl’s lessons?

170 HappyWarrior  Jun 15, 2015 8:13:47pm

Anyone watch Making of the American Mob- New York tonight? A lot of stuff I already knew but I did not know how Rothstein and Luciano met.

171 A Cranky One  Jun 15, 2015 8:14:33pm

re: #168 austin_blue

Miscegenation. The end of civilization…

Don’t want no ligers in my neighborhood!

Liger cubs

172 Belafon  Jun 15, 2015 8:15:04pm

re: #168 austin_blue

Miscegenation. The end of civilization…

They’re white. It’s OK.

173 austin_blue  Jun 15, 2015 8:15:49pm

re: #171 A Cranky One

Don’t want no ligers in my neighborhood!

Liger cubs

Or tigons, you racist!

174 The War TARDIS  Jun 15, 2015 8:16:24pm

re: #164 Targetpractice

From the Final Fantasy VII fansite the LifeStream.

A statement on Square Portal has confirmed that the game is being redeveloped from the ground up, unlike the many recent ports of the game, the latest of which was announced at last year’s PlayStation Experience.

Today, we’re finally able to talk about a long-awaited announcement that could even be count as a miracle amongst Final Fantasy community. After years of Final Fantasy VII fans demanding the nearly impossible to happen, they have made the impossible possible - Final Fantasy VII is getting a real remake for the new-generation consoles. We repeat: it’s not a port or a small remaster with old models, but a completely new version of the classic role-playing game which was revealed at Sony’s E3 press briefing. The game is developed in collaboration between Square Enix and Cyberconnect 2 and has been in the works for a while now - about a year and half. Earlier this year, Cyberconnect2 told Famitsu that they are working hard on creating photo-realistic RPG experience with Unreal Engine 4. It’s very likely Final Fantasy VII Remake is running on it too.

175 austin_blue  Jun 15, 2015 8:16:58pm

re: #172 Belafon

They’re white. It’s OK.

Now, see, that’s comedy!

Well played.

176 teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2015 8:17:24pm

Oh gawd…

177 Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2015 8:18:13pm

re: #174 The War TARDIS

From the Final Fantasy VII fansite the LifeStream.

No offense, but when it comes to games these days, I’m very much “Show, don’t tell.”

178 HappyWarrior  Jun 15, 2015 8:18:46pm

re: #176 teleskiguy

Oh gawd…

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179 William Lewis  Jun 15, 2015 8:19:04pm

re: #163 austin_blue

The first two pieces on that show were Chabrier’s España and Françaix’s L’horloge de Flore, an oboe concerto.

So, yeah, it was Froggie night.

We did the Faure a couple of years ago. A wonderful piece of music. The Pi’e, if you can find a bell-tone soprano, is just magical.

Oh, my. I can only imagine.

180 Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2015 8:19:27pm

re: #176 teleskiguy

Oh gawd…

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What I wanna see is his tax records, because that’s where the real horror stories will be.

181 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 15, 2015 8:21:37pm

re: #12 The Vicious Babushka

Dim Jim thinks the Pope is not Catholic==>

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182 austin_blue  Jun 15, 2015 8:21:43pm

re: #176 teleskiguy

Oh gawd…

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Well, yeah, he’s got $9 billion in assets, but he’s gone bankrupt three times because he’ s got $12.47 that’s liquid and isn’t mortgaged.

Does anyone understand that assets without liquidity is a lottery ticket?

Sheesh.

183 The War TARDIS  Jun 15, 2015 8:22:33pm

re: #180 Targetpractice

It sounds like it will be running on what both FF15 and Kingdom Hearts 3 will be running on.

184 HappyWarrior  Jun 15, 2015 8:22:49pm

re: #181 No Country For Old Haters

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The fact of the matter is popes have been speaking like this for years. The difference is Francis actually walks the talk to a degree and he talks more about this than the so-con stuff that nutjobs like DimJim want to hear.

185 teleskiguy  Jun 15, 2015 8:23:57pm

re: #180 Targetpractice

What I wanna see is his tax records, because that’s where the real horror stories will be.

Hah! That’ll happen.

186 Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2015 8:24:24pm

re: #183 The War TARDIS

It sounds like it will be running on what both FF15 and Kingdom Hearts 3 will be running on.

KH3 is what my sister is really looking forward to. Personally, what I want to see tomorrow from Square-Enix is some gameplay from their Deus Ex sequel.

187 The War TARDIS  Jun 15, 2015 8:25:43pm

Also, we get Cloud’s crossdressing sequence in High Definition!

188 The War TARDIS  Jun 15, 2015 8:25:57pm

re: #186 Targetpractice

Oh god yes.

189 Kragar  Jun 15, 2015 8:29:21pm

My day was made:

190 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 15, 2015 8:34:08pm

re: #157 A Cranky One

So UpChuck and his cronies are going to destroy Twitter.

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I get a mental image of the super genius in a drunken haze, writing lists of all the people and organizations he plans to destroy/sue and drunk calling Alan Dershowitz for advice.

Just out of curiosity, checked his personal website and goatnews and nothing recent on either. Don’t do FB so don’t know if he’s doing anything there, but he’s not working at his claimed profession.

I must confess his “protest” picture with the mouth covered makes me chuckle. Because I always wanted the asshole to shut up.

And Chicago wins the Stanley Cup!

It’s been nine days since anything was posted at GotNooz. gotnwes.wheatdogg.com

Aside from two interviews with fellow dudebros who seemed less than sympathetic, Chuck’s been surprisingly quiet.

191 The War TARDIS  Jun 15, 2015 8:37:30pm

Also, Square Enix’s stock just jumped.

192 The Ghost of a Bikini Shank  Jun 15, 2015 8:38:39pm

re: #169 Belafon

Does anyone watch Steven Universe? If so, did you catch the new intro, specifically Connie with Rose’s sword?

There’s a new one? Missed it.

193 Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2015 8:38:59pm

re: #189 Kragar

My day was made:

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Bethesda absolutely rocked the competition Sunday. Doom, Dishonored 2, and then capped it off with roughly 40 minutes dedicated to Fallout 4.

194 Pip's Squeak  Jun 15, 2015 8:39:19pm

re: #62 EPR-radar

Fair point. However, I just don’t see a way for Jeb! to win. Even if he wins the primary, he’d be doomed in the general by the combination of relatively low turnout among the GOP base, and the Bush name among sane people.

The Republican turnout wouldn’t be low. Clinton is so hated by the GOP right wing (I know, a pleonasm) that they’d turn out to defeat her. The reverse wouldn’t be as true. In fact, I think that having Clinton as opponent is Bush’s only chance of ever being elected president.

195 Belafon  Jun 15, 2015 8:40:47pm

re: #192 The Ghost of a Bikini Shank

There’s a new one? Missed it.

They’re new all this week.

196 The Ghost of a Bikini Shank  Jun 15, 2015 8:42:41pm

re: #195 Belafon

They’re new all this week.

Nice. The last week-long run is actually what got me into the show.

197 The War TARDIS  Jun 15, 2015 8:43:25pm

re: #193 Targetpractice

Fallout 4 has me excited (Boston, woohoo!)

But FF7 is the cherry on top.

No, to see if we have KH3 or FF15 news.

198 Lidane  Jun 15, 2015 8:44:30pm

199 HappyWarrior  Jun 15, 2015 8:45:49pm

re: #198 Lidane

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Goes to show you how far crazy can get you in today’s GOP.

200 Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2015 8:47:18pm

re: #198 Lidane

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The guy who hasn’t announced and has had major staff defections is the guy who’s leading?

201 HappyWarrior  Jun 15, 2015 8:48:10pm

I think I could poll well enough in the GOP with a little anti-Obama and anti-liberal rhetoric.

202 Belafon  Jun 15, 2015 8:49:04pm

re: #199 HappyWarrior

Goes to show you how far crazy can get you in today’s GOP.

With that many candidates, anyone who doesn’t understand margin of error is going to have a heart attack. Not that I’ll be sad.

203 austin_blue  Jun 15, 2015 8:52:22pm

re: #62 EPR-radar

Fair point. However, I just don’t see a way for Jeb! to win. Even if he wins the primary, he’d be doomed in the general by the combination of relatively low turnout among the GOP base, and the Bush name among sane people.

re: #194 Pip’s Squeak

The Republican turnout wouldn’t be low. Clinton is so hated by the GOP right wing (I know, a pleonasm) that they’d turn out to defeat her. The reverse wouldn’t be as true. In fact, I think that having Clinton as opponent is Bush’s only chance of ever being elected president.

Both points are fair, but it’s (very) early days. Let’s see how Sanders and O’Malley push Clinton from the left, and how the myriad of Gaspers push Jeb from the right.

Yes, the Gaspers hate the Hildebeast, but that is tempered by Jeb being viewed as another RINO. The bigger problem for the R’s is that they are being, slowly, demographically fucked.

If the D’s can actually get black and brown people to show up and vote on election day, they’ll take the Executive and the Senate. The House is a gerrymandered lost cause until the D’s take back some State Legislatures.

Writing about 2016 at this point makes my brain bleed. I just want to eat popcorn and watch the cars wreck.

204 HappyWarrior  Jun 15, 2015 8:53:31pm

Jeb I think like McCain and Romney before him will be pushed to the right to the point where any moderate positions he may have held will be replaced by right wing ones that he will adopt to win the primary.

205 Lidane  Jun 15, 2015 8:55:08pm

re: #203 austin_blue

Writing about 2016 at this point makes my brain bleed. I just want to eat popcorn and watch the cars wreck.

I get paid to pay attention to this stuff and it still makes my eyes cross. Or maybe it’s all the statistics I look at every day. Heh.

OTOH, it’s more entertaining than watching Wheels and the rest of the GOP fuckwits destroy this state more every day, so there’s that.

206 Kragar  Jun 15, 2015 8:55:09pm

re: #204 HappyWarrior

Jeb I think like McCain and Romney before him will be pushed to the right to the point where any moderate positions he may have held will be replaced by right wing ones that he will adopt to win the primary.

I honestly can’t think of any moderate position he holds now which aren’t already overshadowed by RWNJ BS

207 HappyWarrior  Jun 15, 2015 8:55:47pm

re: #206 Kragar

I honestly can’t think of any moderate position he holds now which aren’t already overshadowed by RWNJ BS

Yeah I can’t either. He’s no moderate. Calling him so is an absolute joke by the media.

208 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2015 8:55:57pm

niterz, lizardz!

209 Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2015 9:00:13pm

re: #206 Kragar

I honestly can’t think of any moderate position he holds now which aren’t already overshadowed by RWNJ BS

I get a laugh when the Beltway crowd try to sell him as a “moderate.” Really? A Republican “moderate” these days is just a squish who thinks if he says that he wants to leave gay marriage up to the states rather than thumping a Bible and threatening to remove any judge who rules in favor, he sounds “reasonable.”

210 austin_blue  Jun 15, 2015 9:03:51pm

re: #205 Lidane

I get paid to pay attention to this stuff and it still makes my eyes cross. Or maybe it’s all the statistics I look at every day. Heh.

OTOH, it’s more entertaining than watching Wheels and the rest of the GOP fuckwits destroy this state more every day, so there’s that.

Well, that’s done for two years, m’dear. Hopefully, open carry on all University campuses in Texas (well, the public ones) won’t result in blazing shootouts between the Phi Delt’s and the Sigma Nu’s after pledge drive keggers. But I’m not holding my breath.

What wasn’t addressed this year by the Lege was the savage inequality in how schools are financed in the State and how property taxes are levied to compensate for the State’s woeful contribution to public education. She Who Must Be Obeyed and I bought our house in ‘97 for $155,000 and our property taxes due in December are now just under $10,000.

211 freetoken  Jun 15, 2015 9:15:59pm

re: #204 HappyWarrior

Jeb is already jockeying for the Limbaugh vote by whining about power-hungry liberals.

212 Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2015 9:30:34pm

Testing something.

213 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 15, 2015 9:31:42pm

re: #210 austin_blue

Well, that’s done for two years, m’dear. Hopefully, open carry on all University campuses in Texas (well, the public ones) won’t result in blazing shootouts between the Phi Delt’s and the Sigma Nu’s after pledge drive keggers. But I’m not holding my breath.

What wasn’t addressed this year by the Lege was the savage inequality in how schools are financed in the State and how property taxes are levied to compensate for the State’s woeful contribution to public education. She Who Must Be Obeyed and I bought our house in ‘97 for $155,000 and our property taxes due in December are now just under $10,000.

Damn, that shit has been going on since I was in school over 20 years ago. There was a “Robin Hood” plan at that time, so the tiny school district with a Nuclear power plant in its back yard was coughing up funds for the inner city poors in Houston.

I expect that got sidelined after I left.

214 Single-handed sailor  Jun 15, 2015 9:38:27pm

re: #210 austin_blue

In California on our $200k house we bought in 1994 we pay almost $4000. Yay prop 13.

215 Pip's Squeak  Jun 15, 2015 9:38:59pm

re: #153 William Lewis

Debussy & Ravel? That’s a heck of a show right there. Would have loved to have heard that concert. All you’d need to add to really make an ultimate French classical music show would be Faure’. Perhaps his “Requiem”?

Any symphony by Roussel.

216 Belafon  Jun 15, 2015 9:39:46pm

re: #213 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Damn, that shit has been going on since I was in school over 20 years ago. There was a “Robin Hood” plan at that time, so the tiny school district with a Nuclear power plant in its back yard was coughing up funds for the inner city poors in Houston.

I expect that got sidelined after I left.

Every few years, the state Supreme Court will tell the state that they are not funding schools according to the constitution, and the state ignores them.

217 darthstar  Jun 15, 2015 9:48:40pm

Try to get my dark side.

218 bratwurst  Jun 15, 2015 9:59:36pm

Uh oh…”thugs” going after cops on the streets of Chicago. Right wing punditry, get your talking points ready!

Oh wait…it’s a hockey celebration. These aren’t “thugs” at all. They are reveling citizens. Carry on.

219 austin_blue  Jun 15, 2015 10:16:18pm

Night all. Sweet scaly dreams. Go USA tomorrow night!

Yes, I’m a soccer geek. Can we call it football now?

220 meteor  Jun 15, 2015 10:19:53pm

While checking someone else’s Twitter stuff, I wandered onto a link to a Twitter from a neo-Nazi. Ugh. I need eye bleach now.

221 #FergusonFireside  Jun 15, 2015 10:51:27pm

Ya’ll I’m wide awake. Too much excitement.

Except here on LGF, all asleep.

222 #FergusonFireside  Jun 15, 2015 10:56:36pm

Nighty…I guess.

223 Dark_Falcon  Jun 15, 2015 10:57:13pm

re: #218 bratwurst

Uh oh…”thugs” going after cops on the streets of Chicago. Right wing punditry, get your talking points ready!

[Embedded content]

Oh wait…it’s a hockey celebration. These aren’t “thugs” at all. They are reveling citizens. Carry on.

No, it still works for Hannity et al: Wrigleyville is right next to Boystown, so logically some of the revelers are gay. This will allow the placing of the headline “Gay hoard rampages through Obama’s Chicago!!1”

224 Kragar  Jun 15, 2015 10:57:20pm

re: #221 #FergusonFireside

Ya’ll I’m wide awake. Too much excitement.

Except here on LGF, all asleep.

Nobody here but us jive turkeys

225 Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2015 11:07:31pm

It’s horrible how Obama isn’t doing anything about terrorism, isn’t it?

/////

226 Kragar  Jun 15, 2015 11:09:34pm

re: #225 Targetpractice

[Embedded content]

It’s horrible how Obama isn’t doing anything about terrorism, isn’t it?

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Our inferior military simply isn’t up to the task.
///

227 Varek Raith  Jun 15, 2015 11:16:44pm

re: #225 Targetpractice

[Embedded content]

It’s horrible how Obama isn’t doing anything about terrorism, isn’t it?

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Iknowrite.

228 Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2015 11:20:00pm

This was the highlight of the Fallout 4 presentation for me:

229 Varek Raith  Jun 15, 2015 11:23:10pm

Deathclaws, my arch-nemesis.

230 Varek Raith  Jun 15, 2015 11:25:46pm

Nice power armor ya got there. Too bad my claws ignore armor ratings.

Wait, what?

….

231 Kragar  Jun 15, 2015 11:27:13pm

re: #230 Varek Raith

Nice power armor ya got there. Too bad my claws ignore armor ratings.

Wait, what?

….

Deathclaws aka “Why my sniper carried landmines.”

232 Varek Raith  Jun 15, 2015 11:28:47pm

re: #231 Kragar

Deathclaws aka “Why my sniper carried landmines.”

And the wonderful dartgun in FO3. Don’t leave home without it.

233 Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2015 11:30:44pm

re: #231 Kragar

Deathclaws aka “Why my sniper carried landmines.”

In FO3, I just abused the hell out of sneak criticals.

Come New Vegas, I had to upgrade…to a suppressed anti-materiel rifle. And a riot shotgun loaded with beanbag rounds just in case I missed.

234 Kragar  Jun 15, 2015 11:31:02pm

re: #232 Varek Raith

And the wonderful dartgun in FO3. Don’t leave home without it.

Hoping they’ve got something like the covert ops suit from New Vegas.

235 Varek Raith  Jun 15, 2015 11:32:00pm

What made them all the more terrible was how often the bastards would sneak up on me.
OH HAI DIE!

236 Varek Raith  Jun 15, 2015 11:33:59pm

re: #233 Targetpractice

In FO3, I just abused the hell out of sneak criticals.

Come New Vegas, I had to upgrade…to a suppressed anti-materiel rifle. And a riot shotgun loaded with beanbag rounds just in case I missed.

I didn’t like how close that damn quarry was to the start of the game.
Because that’s what a low level character wants to deal with.
xD

237 Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2015 11:34:34pm

re: #235 Varek Raith

What made them all the more terrible was how often the bastards would sneak up on me.
OH HAI DIE!

Yeah, that’s why I don’t feel like a total coward in admitting that, whenever I explored the wasteland, I did it while sneaking. Yeah, I may not move as fast, but I knew if the bastards had seen me. Nothing is quite as frightening as a Surprise Deathclaw.

238 Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2015 11:37:02pm

re: #236 Varek Raith

I didn’t like how close that damn quarry was to the start of the game.
Because that’s what a low level character wants to deal with.
xD

It’s a cheap way of making you go where the designers wanted you to go. You try going up the main road, you hit Deathclaws. Go up to the north road, you run into Cazadores. Try going through the canyon, you run into huge Radscorpions.

239 Varek Raith  Jun 15, 2015 11:38:05pm

re: #238 Targetpractice

It’s a cheap way of making you go where the designers wanted you to go. You try going up the main road, you hit Deathclaws. Go up to the north road, you run into Cazadores. Try going through the canyon, you run into huge Radscorpions.

I hate cazadores almost as much as deathclaws thanks to NV.

240 Kragar  Jun 15, 2015 11:38:36pm

I hated the Cazadores more than the Deathclaws

241 Kragar  Jun 15, 2015 11:40:05pm

I forget the name of the weapon, but it was the long range flame gun. I ended up using that as a mortar when it came to Cazadore.

242 Varek Raith  Jun 15, 2015 11:44:47pm

re: #240 Kragar

I hated the Cazadores more than the Deathclaws

Yeah, with their tendency to swarm you with the stingers and the poison and the pain.

243 Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2015 11:50:17pm

Speaking of flamethrowers, even though I usually avoid them, I always take one with me to Vault 22. I think that has to be the creepiest of the vaults in FO3 or NV.

244 Kragar  Jun 15, 2015 11:54:18pm

re: #243 Targetpractice

Speaking of flamethrowers, even though I usually avoid them, I always take one with me to Vault 22. I think that has to be the creepiest of the vaults in FO3 or NV.

Vault 108

245 Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2015 11:55:56pm

re: #244 Kragar

Vault 108

Gary!

*shudders*

246 Varek Raith  Jun 15, 2015 11:58:31pm

re: #245 Targetpractice

Gary!

*shudders*

Haha! Gary.

247 Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2015 12:05:35am

Actually, if I think about it, Vault 11 is probably the creepiest. Especially when you find out what the holotape you found at the entrance was all about. You really have to wonder what sort of sick, twisted mind at Vault-Tec came up with the idea of basing an experiment on whether people would be willing to sacrifice one of their own every year to avoid the vault shutting down and killing everyone.

248 Kragar  Jun 16, 2015 12:07:16am

I see they announced the release date

10 November

249 Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2015 12:12:39am

re: #248 Kragar

I see they announced the release date

10 November

Yeah, it’s definitely a change from the last two games. They teased FO3 & NV just before or at E3, then set a release date the following year with a gameplay trailer at that year’s E3.

250 Varek Raith  Jun 16, 2015 12:13:34am

re: #248 Kragar

I see they announced the release date

10 November

Late birthday present.
Woot.

251 Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2015 12:15:51am

I still remember that, when I got to the end of the FO3 teaser trailer and it says “Fall 2008.” God, what a tease.

252 FemNaziBitch  Jun 16, 2015 1:05:55am

Isn’t it cute?

I don’t think it’s a bad price, but I can’t bring myself to buy it.

253 FemNaziBitch  Jun 16, 2015 1:09:18am

There is also a beautiful Hidalgo enameled ring, but way, WAY more than I can spend today :)

254 Varek Raith  Jun 16, 2015 1:16:31am

re: #252 FemNaziBitch

Isn’t it cute?

I don’t think it’s a bad price, but I can’t bring myself to buy it.

Neat.

255 Nyet  Jun 16, 2015 1:39:32am

re: #81 darthstar

[Embedded content]

Ahem, that’s not Germans. That’s über-wingnut John Schindler.

256 Justanotherhuman  Jun 16, 2015 1:48:29am

re: #81 darthstar

[Embedded content]

Did you catch this reference? GG on 7/14/13 saying that Snowden had the documents? On that date, Snowden had been stuck in Sheremetyevo International Airport since June 23.

Why hasn’t Greenwald been arrested? Why hasn’t Poitras and the others who aided and abetted Snowden?

257 Justanotherhuman  Jun 16, 2015 1:50:46am

re: #255 Nyet

Translated from this article: bild.de

258 Nyet  Jun 16, 2015 1:58:54am

re: #257 Justanotherhuman

Translated from this article: bild.de

You got it exactly backwards. The Bild article is translated from the English original.

Just because people hate eddie doesn’t mean that it’s now excusable to rely on a racist wingnut.

259 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 16, 2015 2:03:26am

re: #258 Nyet

You got it exactly backwards. The Bild article is translated from the English original.

Just because people hate eddie doesn’t mean that it’s now excusable to rely on a racist wingnut.

I never needed any mansplaining or racistsplaining to understand that the bulk of the information that Snowden compromised was unrelated to his claims of uncovering illegal government activity.

260 Nyet  Jun 16, 2015 2:05:37am

This paragraph from Schindler’s article shows his typical dishonesty:

Ironically, given the intense debate over the Snowden revelations in Germany, it has been this country where the real unraveling of the storyline has begun. The end of the year-long Federal inquiry into Snowden’s allegation’s led by Attorney General Harald Range, without any charges against NSA, has disappointed many admirers of Snowden. Yet this inquiry failed due to a lack of hard evidence. Some of the documents offered as “proof” of NSA espionage against Chancellor Angela Merkel are copies, not originals, and therefore lack probative value.

The inquiry was not into Snowden’s allegations. The allegations were by Spiegel which relied on a copy of a document supplied by a source which is not known to us. The allegations concerned spying on Merkel’s phone, which is a proven fact. However there were no proofs that would be accepted by a German court - in large part due to the NSA’s stonewalling. How that means that anyone’s story is falling apart is beyond me.

261 Nyet  Jun 16, 2015 2:07:17am

re: #259 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Me too. All the more I’m surprised by people who rely on bigots to support this obvious point.

262 Justanotherhuman  Jun 16, 2015 2:08:45am

re: #258 Nyet

Ah, see that now. However, explain the Youtube reference, and also, this, among other details:

“Where was Snowden during the ten days in May 2013, after he left Hawaii and before he checked in on June 1 in Hong Kong Hotel “Mira”?”

I have no doubt in my mind, that regardless of who is criticizing Snowden, he did this country a terrible disservice when he stole those documents.

And I consider him a liar, thief and traitor. He has zero loyalty to any citizen of this country and far less than those he’s critical of.

So, you can call me a wingnut for those thoughts if you wish.

263 Nyet  Jun 16, 2015 2:09:50am

An American wingnut writes an article for a yellow German tabloid. Big whoop.

264 Nyet  Jun 16, 2015 2:13:38am

re: #262 Justanotherhuman

Ah, see that now. However, explain the Youtube reference, and also, this, among other details:

”.

Since I wasn’t contesting the reference, I’m not sure why you’re asking me to explain anything.

265 Justanotherhuman  Jun 16, 2015 2:21:45am

re: #264 Nyet

Because the Youtube reference was in the body of the article, which you condemned, since it was written by Schindler.

266 FemNaziBitch  Jun 16, 2015 2:24:46am
267 Nyet  Jun 16, 2015 2:25:13am

re: #265 Justanotherhuman

Because the Youtube reference was in the body of the article, which you condemned, since it was written by Schindler.

Um, just because I condemn relying on bigots or misrepresenting their opinions as those of “the Germans” doesn’t mean that I claim that everything they say is false. Even Upchuck was right several times, it’s not an excuse for relying on him.

Goals don’t always justify the means.

268 Justanotherhuman  Jun 16, 2015 2:40:25am

re: #267 Nyet

I’m not “relying” on Schindler’s opinions. I never did. I’ve always thought there was something very hinky about Snowden, a low-ranking contractor, and the motives of Greenwald and Poitras, and their subsequent actions. It’s very easy for ex-pats like those 2 to criticize this country and push their own self-colored opinions since they obviously have little to lose by doing so. By pushing their own motives in “protecting” and elevating Snowden to some kind of perverted “martyrdom” and “sainthood”, they’ve handily manipulated the narrative surrounding this entire body of treason. They’re clever, but it almost rises to the level of a Machiavellian plot. Almost.

269 Justanotherhuman  Jun 16, 2015 2:46:02am

Is the tide turning?

Activists, Kurdish commander say Kurds in full control of Tal Abyad, dealing major blow to Islamic State - @AP
end of alert

270 Justanotherhuman  Jun 16, 2015 2:52:18am

Egypt’s deposed president Mohamed Morsi sentenced to 25 years in jail - @AlArabiya_Eng, @Reuters
end of alert

271 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 16, 2015 2:54:35am

Morning Lizardem!

central IL was spared most of the deluge last night, but it looks like t-storms throughout the week.

Started commenting on a thread at Gizmodo last night about California’s rich and their sense of entitlement wrt water.

Almost immediately, some yahoos started up talking about the 20 million illegals hogging all the water. I fear nothing is ever going to be accomplished on immigration reform when there are so many xenophobic racists running around who can’t even understand how the census works, much less how “they’re takin’ our jrbs” is bullshit.

272 Justanotherhuman  Jun 16, 2015 3:01:55am

re: #271 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I’m sure those very well-off Californians would just love to take those ag jobs, do their own housekeeping and mow their own lawns, among other work, wouldn’t they?

Well, if they did, it would reduce them to their real level and perhaps give those they condemn a fighting chance, which would make a lot of us very happy.

273 Justanotherhuman  Jun 16, 2015 3:10:23am

Kensington Palace tweets: ‘Prince Harry was very pleased to host Mrs Michelle Obama for tea at Kensington Palace this morning’
end of alert

274 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 16, 2015 3:11:43am

re: #271 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Almost immediately, some yahoos started up talking about the 20 million illegals hogging all the water.

In a sense, they are right. Without all those illegal immigrant farm workers, a lot of the agriculture in California would go belly-up, reducing demand for water…

275 Justanotherhuman  Jun 16, 2015 3:11:51am
277 FemNaziBitch  Jun 16, 2015 3:16:27am

re: #271 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Morning Lizardem!

central IL was spared most of the deluge last night, but it looks like t-storms throughout the week.

Started commenting on a thread at Gizmodo last night about California’s rich and their sense of entitlement wrt water.

Almost immediately, some yahoos started up talking about the 20 million illegals hogging all the water. I fear nothing is ever going to be accomplished on immigration reform when there are so many xenophobic racists running around who can’t even understand how the census works, much less how “they’re takin’ our jrbs” is bullshit.

WE got it. All day and all night. Power went off a couple of times. Flash Flood warnings on the Fox River.

278 Dave In Austin  Jun 16, 2015 3:17:04am

If you look at the weather map this morning, it looks like Pac-Man is about to eat Corpus Christi, TX.
Austin is in the maw as well. Looks like I’ll be living in the data center for the next few days…..

279 Timothy Watson  Jun 16, 2015 3:18:29am

Frelling exhausted, can’t wait for this week to be over with.

280 Justanotherhuman  Jun 16, 2015 3:22:03am

re: #274 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Interesting story from across The Pond (Apr 6 2015):

California water shortage: One drought for the rich and another for everyone else as Golden State goes brown again

independent.co.uk

They say 80% of CA water goes to ag. I noticed that my local grocery chain is using more FL and Mexican produce. Even the watermelon I bought came from FL. Quite delish, BTW. Haven’t seen any local yet, a bit early here. And lettuce is selling for 99 cents a head.

281 FemNaziBitch  Jun 16, 2015 3:23:50am
282 FemNaziBitch  Jun 16, 2015 3:25:01am
283 FemNaziBitch  Jun 16, 2015 3:28:28am

off to feed the four-footed critters … .

284 urbanmeemaw  Jun 16, 2015 3:35:48am

re: #21 Justanotherhuman

No locusts? It’s all good, then. ; /

I was thinking the same thing, LOL!

285 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 16, 2015 3:36:32am

I’m watching the Roast of Justin Bieber on YouTube, because I’m a glutton for punishment.

Right off the bat, the host says:

“Justin Bieber has tens of millions of fans, most of them are either in middle schools, or standing at least 500 feet away from one.”

BOOM!

286 Varek Raith  Jun 16, 2015 3:55:03am

re: #285 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I’m watching the Roast of Justin Bieber on YouTube, because I’m a glutton for punishment.

Right off the bat, the host says:

“Justin Bieber has tens of millions of fans, most of them are either in middle schools, or standing at least 500 feet away from one.”

BOOM!

Indeed.

287 Nyet  Jun 16, 2015 4:22:26am

re: #268 Justanotherhuman

I’m not “relying” on Schindler’s opinions. I never did. I’ve always thought there was something very hinky about Snowden, a low-ranking contractor, and the motives of Greenwald and Poitras, and their subsequent actions. It’s very easy for ex-pats like those 2 to criticize this country and push their own self-colored opinions since they obviously have little to lose by doing so. By pushing their own motives in “protecting” and elevating Snowden to some kind of perverted “martyrdom” and “sainthood”, they’ve handily manipulated the narrative surrounding this entire body of treason. They’re clever, but it almost rises to the level of a Machiavellian plot. Almost.

Again, we’re not arguing about Snowden. We mostly agree about him. He’s a schmuck who should answer before an American court, end of story.

It’s about how one goes about criticizing him. If tomorrow Rush Limbaugh will write a great article summarizing anti-Snowden arguments, I will object to posting it not because Limbaugh will or will not be correct, but because it’s Limbaugh. (Note that I won’t say “it’s Limbaugh, so his arguments are incorrect” - that’s an ad hominem fallacy. His correctness or lack thereof would be aside).

Schindler has shown through multiple tweets that he’s a highbrow analog to Rush.

288 Justanotherhuman  Jun 16, 2015 4:29:08am
289 Justanotherhuman  Jun 16, 2015 4:30:08am
290 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2015 4:30:29am

Poor widdle wingnut is butthurt that his fake meme was called out
“Race Baiters” = wingnut name for those who call out their racism

291 Justanotherhuman  Jun 16, 2015 4:33:07am

Berkeley police say many of those injured in collapse have critical, life-threatening wounds; officers still investigating scene

hosted.ap.org

292 Justanotherhuman  Jun 16, 2015 4:39:04am

re: #287 Nyet

Sorry I’m not perfect, but no human ever is. IMHO.

294 Varek Raith  Jun 16, 2015 4:41:08am

re: #293 Nyet

So much for allegedly feeling black.

NAACP Imposter Sued School Over Race Claims
Rachel Dolezal alleged she was victim of white discrimination

That girl ain’t right.

295 Nyet  Jun 16, 2015 4:42:40am

re: #294 Varek Raith

I would have defended her had she really, honestly, “felt black”. But it’s now more than clear that she’s been an impostor every step of the way. For whatever reason.

296 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2015 4:44:03am

re: #295 Nyet

I would have defended her had she really, honestly, “felt black”. But it’s now more than clear that she’s been an impostor every step of the way. For whatever reason.

It’s all performance art.

297 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 16, 2015 4:52:51am

re: #204 HappyWarrior

Jeb I think like McCain and Romney before him will be pushed to the right to the point where any moderate positions he may have held will be replaced by right wing ones that he will adopt to win the primary.

But we have to call him the moderate candidate so that DF has a ledge of sanity for his fingertips to continue to cling to.

298 Nyet  Jun 16, 2015 4:56:27am

So I took a look, and Schindler is still repeating the false claims about the Handygate:

20committee. com/2015/06/12/snowden-is-a-fraud

Back in December, Attorney General Range offered a warning about the dubious nature of much of the “evidence” against NSA:

The document presented in public as proof of an actual tapping of the mobile phone is not an authentic surveillance order by the NSA. It does not come from the NSA database. There is no proof at the moment which could lead to charges that Chancellor Merkel’s phone connection data was collected or her calls tapped.

Got that? That’s the polite, legalistic way of saying the Snowden claims are backed by faked NSA documents, as has been clear for some time to anybody who understands counterintelligence and the SIGINT system. This should surprise no one, since using fake or doctored Western intelligence documents to embarrass democracies is a venerable tradition for Russian intelligence — the proper espionage term is Active Measures — and since Snowden’s been in Moscow for the last two years and shows no signs of going anywhere else anytime soon, two and two can be added together here.

No, moron, it’s a polite way of saying that no matter how tantalizing a document looks, and no matter that the spying on Merkel’s phone has been confirmed by the WH through WSJ, a copy is still a copy and thus doesn’t stand up to a scrutiny in a German court. In fact, the prosecutor explicitly denied that the document is a fake. I wrote about it at some length a few months ago. (Plus, to repeat, those are not “Snowden’s claims”.)

So John Schindler is either a liar or an ignoramus.

299 Justanotherhuman  Jun 16, 2015 4:57:08am

re: #293 Nyet

So much for allegedly feeling black.

NAACP Imposter Sued School Over Race Claims
Rachel Dolezal alleged she was victim of white discrimination

William Bastone, who runs The Smoking Gun (owned now by Time Warner):

“… I’m a big fan of Drudge Report, we have political differences, he’s much more conservative than myself or my colleagues. But I love that his site looks the same as it looked when it started. Our site really hasn’t changed much either.

A few years ago we went to a focus group run by Court TV. They had two groups of 20 people and they had them go through our site, Court TV’s site and the Drudge Report. And almost to a person, they talked about the Drudge Report as the worst designed site they’d ever seen, and all I could think of is that it’s the perfect site for what he does. And they were crapping on it, saying ‘It’s the ugliest site I’ve ever seen.’ But it works unbelievably well for what he’s doing.”

pbs.org

300 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 16, 2015 5:00:05am

re: #268 Justanotherhuman

I’m not “relying” on Schindler’s opinions. I never did. I’ve always thought there was something very hinky about Snowden, a low-ranking contractor, and the motives of Greenwald and Poitras, and their subsequent actions. It’s very easy for ex-pats like those 2 to criticize this country and push their own self-colored opinions since they obviously have little to lose by doing so. By pushing their own motives in “protecting” and elevating Snowden to some kind of perverted “martyrdom” and “sainthood”, they’ve handily manipulated the narrative surrounding this entire body of treason. They’re clever, but it almost rises to the level of a Machiavellian plot. Almost.

Or they’ve been very well-played by Chinese and Russian intelligence. Possibly willing dupes to a degree as well. But part of intelligence operations is finding those kinds of people and pressing the correct buttons to get them to inflict the damage for you.

301 Justanotherhuman  Jun 16, 2015 5:00:36am

re: #295 Nyet

You can’t “feel” Black. I called her bullshit at the outset.

Feelings aren’t enough to change who you are. There is only “empathy” and that’s never enough.

302 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 16, 2015 5:01:50am

re: #271 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

Morning Lizardem!

central IL was spared most of the deluge last night, but it looks like t-storms throughout the week.

Started commenting on a thread at Gizmodo last night about California’s rich and their sense of entitlement wrt water.

Almost immediately, some yahoos started up talking about the 20 million illegals hogging all the water. I fear nothing is ever going to be accomplished on immigration reform when there are so many xenophobic racists running around who can’t even understand how the census works, much less how “they’re takin’ our jrbs” is bullshit.

And one of the major political parties has zero interest in correcting any of these misconceptions. Along with at least one major player in the media market.

303 Nyet  Jun 16, 2015 5:04:16am

re: #301 Justanotherhuman

You can’t “feel” Black. I called her bullshit at the outset.

Feelings aren’t enough to change who you are. There is only “empathy” and that’s never enough.

But then you also denied that Caitlyn Jenner is a woman, so what you think about that is neither here nor there.

304 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 16, 2015 5:11:14am

Good morning Lizards from a very hazy Philadelphia.

Congratulations to the Blackhawks on winning another Stanley Cup. A well-played series and Crawford was stellar in goal when it counted. My neighbor the Tampa Bay fan is still a touch upset.

Apartment A/C is still on the fritz. A contractor is coming in today and hopefully it will get fixed. Had the windows open even though it was 80F outside simply to have better air circulation. And it cooled down outside into the 70s once some rain went through the area. So it eventually got cool enough to sleep, but was still horribly humid. (And *still* first world problems!)

Feline Overlords got an opportunity last night to scamper into the apartment hallway and took it. And didn’t come back. Chat Noir went to the far end of the hall, went under a low couch, and just laid there on the tile. Not a bad idea since that was much cooler than being in the apartment. Tuxedo Cat wandered about the hall and essentially did not want to come back in either.

On the food front the stuffed peppers from Saturday are gone. Have meatballs from Sunday, red sauce I made last night, and plans for pasta with meatballs either tonight or tomorrow. Need to get a nice loaf of bread to go with that.

Back to work. Need another cup of coffee and some motivation to work on documentation and a “what if” scenario since we have a data problem* looming that needs to be addressed in the next few months.

* - Some brilliant person decided that the year indicator in our abstract naming convention for batch numbers would only be one digit; e.g. 0-9. And, guess what, that decision was about eight years ago.

305 Justanotherhuman  Jun 16, 2015 5:15:14am

re: #303 Nyet

So, you’re mansplaining my very existence as a woman.

OK.

306 Nyet  Jun 16, 2015 5:16:41am

re: #305 Justanotherhuman

So, you’re mainsplaining my very existence as a woman.

OK.

LOL.

307 Nyet  Jun 16, 2015 5:17:54am

More like you’re cis-splaining trans-women’s existence as women.

308 Justanotherhuman  Jun 16, 2015 5:18:06am

Becoming rich and famous by being a fake.

You know there will be a book and a movie.

Just more white privilege.

309 Justanotherhuman  Jun 16, 2015 5:22:19am

re: #307 Nyet

More like you’re cis-splaining trans-women’s existence as women.

Nope. Obviously women don’t exist as women. “Cis” belongs to chemistry, and I don’t accept as a criticism of who I am.

310 Nyet  Jun 16, 2015 5:22:53am

re: #307 Nyet

I suppose I’m a TERF

311 Nyet  Jun 16, 2015 5:23:39am
312 Iwouldprefernotto  Jun 16, 2015 5:24:19am

Why?

Trump will make Tuesday’s announcement at a rally at his Trump Tower in New York City. He will then travel to Iowa, and then to New Hampshire on Wednesday.

If Trump does in fact announce his candidacy, he will be the wealthiest current Republican presidential candidate.

313 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 16, 2015 5:29:49am

re: #312 Iwouldprefernotto

Why?

Trump will make Tuesday’s announcement at a rally at his Trump Tower in New York City. He will then travel to Iowa, and then to New Hampshire on Wednesday.

If Trump does in fact announce his candidacy, he will be the wealthiest current Republican presidential candidate.

Just headline grabbing. He’ll back out again proclaiming that he’s above the playing in the pit with the other candidates and only willing to actually run if the nomination is handed to him on a silver platter right now. Sounds like a demand for privilege or divine right when you look at it that way.

314 Nyet  Jun 16, 2015 5:30:35am
315 b.d.  Jun 16, 2015 5:30:59am

re: #312 Iwouldprefernotto

Why?

Trump will make Tuesday’s announcement at a rally at his Trump Tower in New York City. He will then travel to Iowa, and then to New Hampshire on Wednesday.

If Trump does in fact announce his candidacy, he will be the wealthiest current Republican presidential candidate.

Mitt Romney, being scared off by Jeb Bush, looks like the biggest chump in the world right now.

He should run again too.

:P

316 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2015 5:31:34am

re: #313 Feline Fearless Leader

Just headline grabbing. He’ll back out again proclaiming that he’s above the playing in the pit with the other candidates and only willing to actually run if the nomination is handed to him on a silver platter right now. Sounds like a demand for privilege or divine right when you look at it that way.

ELECTION BY ACCLAMATION

317 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2015 5:33:07am
318 Justanotherhuman  Jun 16, 2015 5:35:02am

re: #311 Nyet

theterfs.com

I was agreeing with the description, more or less, in that I don’t agree with the attacks on women who disagree with what I see coming out of this phenomenon of “transgender”. Men, as usual, are setting the agenda, not women. And they are continuing. So call me whatever you wish. It bounces right off me.

319 Nyet  Jun 16, 2015 5:36:46am

re: #318 Justanotherhuman

I was agreeing with the description, more or less, in that I don’t agree with the attacks on women who disagree with what I see coming out of this phenomenon of “transgender”. Men, as usual, are setting the agenda, not women. And they are continuing. So call me whatever you wish. It bounces right off me.

Transgender also includes woman->man transitions. But this fact will probably bounce off you.

320 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2015 5:39:19am
321 Justanotherhuman  Jun 16, 2015 5:39:26am

re: #314 Nyet

Another male, of course. amptoons.com

322 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 16, 2015 5:39:50am

What do you call a female-to-male sex change operation?

An add-a-dick-to-me!

323 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2015 5:40:47am
324 Nyet  Jun 16, 2015 5:41:02am

re: #321 Justanotherhuman

Another male, of course. amptoons.com

And yet how true.

325 Timothy Watson  Jun 16, 2015 5:41:37am

re: #322 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

What do you call a female-to-male sex change operation?

An add-a-dick-to-me!

….I’ve heard that joke before…on Rush Limbaugh.

326 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 16, 2015 5:42:49am

re: #325 Timothy Watson

….I’ve heard that joke before…on Rush Limbaugh.

I heard it from a woman…

327 Varek Raith  Jun 16, 2015 5:45:03am

e_e

328 Nyet  Jun 16, 2015 5:46:43am
No amount of imagining, if you were born with intact male sex organs, will make you anything else even if you can change how you look, even if you resort to radical surgery and hormones for the rest of your life.

That’s so ignorant I can’t even.
There’s no “imagining” involved. It’s innate. It’s who they know they are. Since early childhood. Before they even understand the difference between boys and girls.

*smh*

329 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 16, 2015 5:48:49am

re: #308 Justanotherhuman

Becoming rich and famous by being a fake.

You know there will be a book and a movie.

Just more white privilege.

I called it first! Also, she’ll be on Oprah.

330 Justanotherhuman  Jun 16, 2015 5:51:45am

re: #319 Nyet

A minority, and most times there is no function because the internal organs generally remain. Men “transgender” 3x more than women.

There’s a difference between wanting the same privileges and opportunities, equality, as men (which the majority of women want, as well as minorities) than changing your physical being. Reassigning yourself a “gender” doesn’t mean you belong to that sex.

nytimes.com

331 Nyet  Jun 16, 2015 5:54:08am

Even Russia lets people change sex legally. Think about it. Russia is more progressive than the f’n TERFs.

332 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 16, 2015 5:54:11am

re: #330 Justanotherhuman

A minority, and most times there is no function because the internal organs generally remain. Men “transgender” 3x more than women.

There’s a difference between wanting the same privileges and opportunities, equality, as men (which the majority of women want, as well as minorities) than changing your physical being. Reassigning yourself a “gender” doesn’t mean you belong to that sex.

nytimes.com

It also involves the basic right of not getting the shit beat out of you when you appear in public, but that right has been rather under threat lately for people of many persuasions and races.

333 Nyet  Jun 16, 2015 5:55:26am

re: #330 Justanotherhuman

Your views belong in the previous century. I’m done talking to you about this.

334 lawhawk  Jun 16, 2015 5:56:39am
335 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 16, 2015 5:56:59am

re: #333 Nyet

Your views belong in the previous century. I’m done talking to you about this.

Everything needs a category, both moral and physical. No point in arguing with people who have to think that way.

336 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 16, 2015 5:57:45am

re: #312 Iwouldprefernotto

Why?

Trump will make Tuesday’s announcement at a rally at his Trump Tower in New York City. He will then travel to Iowa, and then to New Hampshire on Wednesday.

If Trump does in fact announce his candidacy, he will be the wealthiest current Republican presidential candidate.

I don’t know…he’s unemployed?

Trying to imagine the “rally”. Who would knowingly go to a Trump presidential announcement “rally”?

337 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 16, 2015 5:58:43am

re: #293 Nyet

So much for allegedly feeling black.

NAACP Imposter Sued School Over Race Claims
Rachel Dolezal alleged she was victim of white discrimination

When she was in Idaho, she left a post at a human rights group, alleging some of discrimination. From what I read, it sounded like she made a bunch of wild demands that the executives felt were inappropriate, and so they denied them.

Her history suggests someone whose head is not screwed on very tight.

338 Timothy Watson  Jun 16, 2015 5:59:26am

re: #334 lawhawk

Don’t forget this one:

In its first enforcement action involving the abuse of so-called pro forma accounting, the Securities and Exchange Commission yesterday charged that Trump Hotels and Casino Inc. had ”recklessly” misled shareholders in 1999.

Trump Hotels agreed to settle the charges and consented to the S.E.C.’s cease-and-desist order, acknowledging its findings without admitting or denying them. The company, whose chairman is Donald J. Trump, will not pay a fine.

In recent years, companies in many industries have emphasized their pro forma financial results as the preferred measure of their performance. Wall Street analysts have often accepted the companies’ logic.

The pro forma numbers typically exclude costs involving mergers, interest, taxes and other charges. Pro forma calculations do not conform to generally accepted accounting principles, and the S.E.C.’s former chief accountant observed that pro forma statements tend to be ”E.B.S.” accounting, for ”everything but bad stuff.”

nytimes.com

339 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 16, 2015 5:59:29am

re: #336 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I don’t know…he’s unemployed?

Trying to imagine the “rally”. Who would knowingly go to a Trump presidential announcement “rally”?

Trump employees, because it would be mandatory.

340 Nyet  Jun 16, 2015 5:59:57am

Seeing who updings anti-trans bigotry is pretty revealing.

341 Varek Raith  Jun 16, 2015 6:01:23am

Oh dear Zod let Trump run.

342 Justanotherhuman  Jun 16, 2015 6:01:37am

re: #328 Nyet

How is it “innate”? Because someone obsesses about it over time? It didn’t matter that a 3 times married man of 6 kids didn’t see fit to stop living a lie far before he wanted to make a name for himself as a “female” in a houseful of women? This is a person of extreme privilege who must be bored shitless with his life, not to mention envious of all the estrogen circulating around him for so many years.

If I had encouraged the Munchkin to keep saying that he wants to be me when he grows up and childishly played with my lipstick and bracelets, I would be grooming him for the same fate as the parents who believe a child knows what they’re “feeling” and start “transistioning” them before they even reach puberty. This is now a “thing” among the stupid and it’s being encouraged by other stupids.

That’s child abuse to me, but it’s part and parcel of a manipulation of people to believe what they know not to be true.

343 Nyet  Jun 16, 2015 6:02:37am

Wow.

344 Varek Raith  Jun 16, 2015 6:04:02am

Ok, wth.

345 lawhawk  Jun 16, 2015 6:04:07am

Jeb Bush’s notion of what constitutes a broken military is itself … broken.

I have no doubt that Jeb thinks that his path to win 2016 is to make it sound like the military is broken and can be rolled over by any third rate nation and that our carrier fleet is falling apart or can be hulled by Iranian missiles without us even seeing them coming.

We’d just have to ignore that the US spends more on its military than the next 9/10 countries combined. That includes Russia and China, plus allies like Germany, France and the UK. And India. And Saudi Arabia.

Or that the US carrier fleet is set to start getting the Ford class carriers soon, upgrading our capabilities even further.

But you know what’s interesting - that for all his talk about spending more on the military, nothing said about paying service members more for their service, or increased VA services for service members who find themselves in need of mental health care etc.

It’s all a sham to get gullible right wingers to think that Obama’s gutted the military, when he’s done no such thing - in fact, the troop withdrawals from Iraq meant that those units have much needed downtime to regroup, rearm, and prepare for whatever comes next. That’s after years of nonstop fighting that wears down manpower and gear.

And we’d also have to ignore that Congress decided in its infinite wisdom to allow the military to buy gear it doesn’t want/need - like M1 tanks that are in surplus, and seeks to continue the F-35 boondoggle that will cost more than a trillion dollars for a plane that doesn’t do any of its supposed missions particularly well.

346 Nyet  Jun 16, 2015 6:04:24am
Leelah Alcorn (November 15, 1997 - December 28, 2014) was an American transgender girl whose suicide attracted international attention. Alcorn had posted a suicide note to her Tumblr blog, writing about societal standards affecting transgender people and expressing the hope that her death would create a dialogue about discrimination, abuse and lack of support for transgender people.
Assigned to the male gender at birth and given the name Joshua Ryan Alcorn, she was raised in a conservative Christian household in Ohio. At age 14, she came out as trans to her parents, Carla and Doug Alcorn, who refused to accept her female gender identity. When she was 16, they denied her request to undergo transition treatment, instead sending her to Christian conversion therapy with the intention of convincing her to reject her gender identity and accept her gender as assigned at birth. After she revealed her attraction toward males to her classmates, her parents removed her from school and revoked her access to social media. In her suicide note, Alcorn cited loneliness and alienation as key reasons for her decision to end her life and blamed her parents for causing these feelings. She committed suicide by walking out in front of oncoming traffic on the Interstate 71 highway.

en.wikipedia.org

347 Nyet  Jun 16, 2015 6:04:37am

Seriously, fuck you.

348 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 16, 2015 6:04:48am

re: #342 Justanotherhuman

If I had encouraged the Munchkin to keep saying that he wants to be me when he grows up and childishly played with my lipstick and bracelets, I would be grooming him for the same fate as the parents who believe a child knows what they’re “feeling” and start “transistioning” them before they even reach puberty. This is now a “thing” among the stupid and it’s being encouraged by other stupids.

That’s child abuse to me, but it’s part and parcel of a manipulation of people to believe what they know not to be true.

Playing with lipstick or painting fingernails does not make a young boy into a trans or a gay. That is just honest curiosity about genders and roles. That is some mighty outdated thinking on your part.

349 lawhawk  Jun 16, 2015 6:05:13am

re: #341 Varek Raith

Oh dear Zod let Trump run.

Trump’s running. His hair is his co-president.

350 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 16, 2015 6:05:57am

re: #349 lawhawk

Trump’s running. His hair is his co-president.

Will he also have rotating firlst ladies? Will they rotate around a brass pole?

351 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2015 6:06:49am

re: #349 lawhawk

Trump’s running. His hair is his co-president.

Trump’s hair is running.

352 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 16, 2015 6:07:56am

re: #337 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

When she was in Idaho, she left a post at a human rights group, alleging some of discrimination. From what I read, it sounded like she made a bunch of wild demands that the executives felt were inappropriate, and so they denied them.

Her history suggests someone whose head is not screwed on very tight.

Here’s one story about her Idaho deal. cdapress.com

That was in 2010, about the time she reported a hangman’s noose being left at her home. She was described as “multi-racial” then.

While she was education director, Dolezal, who is multiracial, said she was the victim of racial harassment, slurs and threats against her and her son by white supremacists.

On two occasions she reported finding hangman’s nooses tied to her garage’s rafters, and a swastika sticker on the door of the institute, The Spokesman-Review has reported.

spokesman.com

353 Nyet  Jun 16, 2015 6:12:23am

re: #346 Nyet

To put it simply, I feel like a girl trapped in a boy’s body, and I’ve felt that way ever since I was 4. I never knew there was a word for that feeling, nor was it possible for a boy to become a girl, so I never told anyone and I just continued to do traditionally “boyish” things to try to fit in.

When I was 14, I learned what transgender meant and cried of happiness. After 10 years of confusion I finally understood who I was. I immediately told my mom, and she reacted extremely negatively, telling me that it was a phase, that I would never truly be a girl, that God doesn’t make mistakes, that I am wrong. If you are reading this, parents, please don’t tell this to your kids. Even if you are Christian or are against transgender people don’t ever say that to someone, especially your kid. That won’t do anything but make them hate them self. That’s exactly what it did to me.

My mom started taking me to a therapist, but would only take me to christian therapists, (who were all very biased) so I never actually got the therapy I needed to cure me of my depression. I only got more christians telling me that I was selfish and wrong and that I should look to God for help.

When I was 16 I realized that my parents would never come around, and that I would have to wait until I was 18 to start any sort of transitioning treatment, which absolutely broke my heart. The longer you wait, the harder it is to transition. I felt hopeless, that I was just going to look like a man in drag for the rest of my life. On my 16th birthday, when I didn’t receive consent from my parents to start transitioning, I cried myself to sleep.

web.archive.org

354 Justanotherhuman  Jun 16, 2015 6:12:59am

There’s nothing like a woman being figuratively beaten up by males for having her own POV as a woman.

355 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 16, 2015 6:16:43am

re: #354 Justanotherhuman

There’s nothing like a woman being figuratively beaten up by males for having her own POV as a woman.

No, it is not at all like a trans person being physically beaten up for having their own view of their sexual identity than the one being imposed on them by both men and women whose thinking is stuck in the Middle Ages.

356 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 16, 2015 6:17:55am

re: #334 lawhawk

I guess in certain viewpoints that could be considered ‘great success’.

However, that doesn’t mean I want him running the country.

357 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 16, 2015 6:18:16am

re: #336 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I don’t know…he’s unemployed?

Trying to imagine the “rally”. Who would knowingly go to a Trump presidential announcement “rally”?

The ones paid to?

358 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 16, 2015 6:18:23am

re: #297 Feline Fearless Leader

But we have to call him the moderate candidate so that DF has a ledge of sanity for his fingertips to continue to cling to.

The media will do anything to maintain the desperate fiction that one of our two political parties hasn’t gone mad.

359 Nyet  Jun 16, 2015 6:19:09am

re: #355 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

But then, you’re just another male, so this proves something something.

360 SteelPH  Jun 16, 2015 6:19:56am

re: #336 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I don’t know…he’s unemployed?

Trying to imagine the “rally”. Who would knowingly go to a Trump presidential announcement “rally”?

Trump’s hair.

361 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 16, 2015 6:21:11am

re: #349 lawhawk

Trump’s running. His hair is his co-president.

Master-Blaster combo. And the caterpillar is the Master part.

362 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 16, 2015 6:23:17am

re: #342 Justanotherhuman

Usually I’m with you on stuff, but here I am not. I know two transgender people personally, and I know it’s not a kind of “phase” or self-deception or fashion statement. It’s that deep down inside they don’t feel as if they belong in the body/gender that they have. And they have had this feeling since they were little. Biologically speaking, maleness or femaleness is not discrete; there’s a range of values, as it were. You might be born with the sex organs of one sex, but still have the hormones or innate psychological makeup of the other.

Since I don’t have this feeling, I can’t describe how it feels, but I can kind of understand how someone would feel it necessary for their own sanity or happiness or whatever to switch their gender. Both my transgender friends were women who will be (or already are) men now. They identify themselves as men, and since I’m not going to do the Crocodile Dundee thing and grab their crotch, I’ll take them at their word.

As for Caitlyn Jenner, she can be whatever she wants. No skin off my nose.

363 b.d.  Jun 16, 2015 6:25:24am

I’m going to love seeing Trump in the debates.

He is going to go over his time, be rude to the moderators and interrupt all other candidates. I can’t wait to see the sh*tstorm he has once they cut his mike.

364 darthstar  Jun 16, 2015 6:25:44am

Great photos. Squirrel lives.

365 Nyet  Jun 16, 2015 6:26:28am

Gender dysphoria is a real thing. Science. Not hard to look it up. No “imagining” involved.

366 darthstar  Jun 16, 2015 6:29:06am

re: #363 b.d.

I’m going to love seeing Trump in the debates.

He is going to go over his time, be rude to the moderators and interrupt all other candidates. I can’t wait to see the sh*tstorm he has once they cut his mike.

The Republican debates won’t be a lot different from Celebrity Apprentice, so he should do fine.

367 b.d.  Jun 16, 2015 6:31:43am

re: #366 darthstar

The Republican debates won’t be a lot different from Celebrity Apprentice, so he should do fine.

heh;

If only George R.R. Martin were in charge of the RNC…

balloon-juice.com

368 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 16, 2015 6:31:55am

re: #366 darthstar

The Republican debates won’t be a lot different from Celebrity Apprentice, so he should do fine.

Will we get to hear him say “You’re fired!”? That would be so sweet.

369 unproven innocence  Jun 16, 2015 6:33:29am

re: #354 Justanotherhuman

There’s nothing like a woman being figuratively beaten up by males for having her own POV as a woman.

Are you aware of AIS — Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome? I learned of it from Woman by Natalie Angier.

370 Varek Raith  Jun 16, 2015 6:36:34am

371 Eventual Carrion  Jun 16, 2015 6:36:45am

re: #351 The Vicious Babushka

Trump’s hair is running.

I’d let it get away.

372 makeitstop  Jun 16, 2015 6:36:51am

re: #366 darthstar

The Republican debates won’t be a lot different from Celebrity Apprentice, so he should do fine.

I guaran-damn-tee that he’ll use that stupid ‘You’re fired’ catch phrase over and over and over and over…

It’ll be the centerpiece of his stump speech.

373 darthstar  Jun 16, 2015 6:38:39am

re: #372 makeitstop

I guaran-damn-tee that he’ll use that stupid ‘You’re fired’ catch phrase over and over and over and over…

It’ll be the centerpiece of his stump speech.

Or maybe Fox will script the debate so Jeb! gets to use it on the Donald first.

374 darthstar  Jun 16, 2015 6:51:58am
375 Nyet  Jun 16, 2015 6:53:43am

re: #374 darthstar

She identifies as black, which is why she sued a university for alleged discrimination against her as white.

Yeah, the story pans out. //

377 Varek Raith  Jun 16, 2015 6:54:39am

re: #376 The Vicious Babushka

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THEY TOOK R JERBS!

378 Nyet  Jun 16, 2015 6:55:27am

Jerp 2016.

379 SteelPH  Jun 16, 2015 6:55:31am

re: #376 The Vicious Babushka

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“Caution: Nutjob ahead.”

380 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2015 6:56:25am

re: #379 SteelPH

“Caution: Nutjob ahead.”

Nutjeb

381 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 16, 2015 6:57:57am

re: #375 Nyet

She identifies as black, which is why she sued a university for alleged discrimination against her as white.

Yeah, the story pans out. //

At Howard, she was white. In Idaho, she was multiracial. In Washington, she was black. It was a gradual thing, like losing or gaining weight.
////

382 Nyet  Jun 16, 2015 6:58:41am

re: #381 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

At Howard, she was white. In Idaho, she was multiracial. In Washington, she was black. It was a gradual thing, like losing or gaining weight.
////

So 50 Shades of Grey was a book about Dolezal?

383 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 16, 2015 7:06:01am

re: #382 Nyet

So 50 Shades of Grey was a book about Dolezal?

Each story is about as believable as the other.

384 Jayleia  Jun 16, 2015 7:07:48am

re: #321 Justanotherhuman

I’m going to be very blunt: Transgender people commit suicide far more often than almost any other group, they face employment discrimination, are more often subject to violence and harassment from random people and from law enforcement than almost any other group, depression, housing discrimination leading to homelessness…

But hey, those trans sure do have great lives, we just get to wear all the pretty clothes and look FABULOUS and get to use the womens restrooms…no, fuck, trans people actually suffer higher than normal UTI and kidney damage…due to not being able to use ANY public restrooms out of fear.

OK…I think I’m calming down…

re: #342 Justanotherhuman

Why do I get the feeling you just unloaded a whole cartful of seriously mixed up and fairly creepy baggage here?

How is it “innate”? Because someone obsesses about it over time? It didn’t matter that a 3 times married man of 6 kids didn’t see fit to stop living a lie far before he wanted to make a name for himself as a “female” in a houseful of women? This is a person of extreme privilege who must be bored shitless with his life, not to mention envious of all the estrogen circulating around him for so many years.

Gender Dysphoria does not work that way. As far as I know, it always starts early, and I’ve never heard of anything resembling developing it due to being around women (or being around strong women or famous women or…), and of course noone has EVER felt they needed to hide their minority status in the US out of fear…EVER…except for when they’ve needed to hide due to race, gender, sexuality, religion

If I had encouraged the Munchkin to keep saying that he wants to be me when he grows up and childishly played with my lipstick and bracelets, I would be grooming him for the same fate as the parents who believe a child knows what they’re “feeling” and start “transistioning” them before they even reach puberty. This is now a “thing” among the stupid and it’s being encouraged by other stupids.

Gender Dysphoria does not work that way. You don’t just say “I’m a girl now”, this requires long periods of time, and effort…its more work than almost anyone would choose to go through to usually end up in a WORSE place than they were at.

385 urbanmeemaw  Jun 16, 2015 7:09:04am

re: #349 lawhawk

Trump’s running. His hair is his co-president.

Maybe Trump’s hair and Rand Paul’s hair can have lunch. Or be rescued by an animal shelter…

386 Jayleia  Jun 16, 2015 7:09:46am

re: #383 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

No, I think 50 shades is more unbelievable…but that’s only because I know things about…stuff

*whistles innocently*

387 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 16, 2015 7:09:59am

re: #385 urbanmeemaw

Maybe Trump’s hair and Rand Paul’s hair can have lunch. Or be rescued by an animal shelter…

As long as they don’t mate …

388 Nyet  Jun 16, 2015 7:10:54am

re: #383 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Each story is about as believable as the other.

I’ve heard the book’s characters are more likable tho. /

389 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 16, 2015 7:12:19am

re: #386 Jayleia

No, I think 50 shades is more unbelievable…but that’s only because I know things about…stuff

*whistles innocently*

The heroine (?) of 50 Shades is a total dimbulb.

390 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 16, 2015 7:12:27am

re: #290 The Vicious Babushka

Poor widdle wingnut is butthurt that his fake meme was called out
“Race Baiters” = wingnut name for those who call out their racism

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391 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 16, 2015 7:12:58am

re: #387 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

As long as they don’t mate …

“The Hair That Ate the Republican Party.” coming soon to theater near you!

392 A Cranky One  Jun 16, 2015 7:13:10am

re: #387 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

As long as they don’t mate …

Why, why did they let Trump’s and Rand Paul’s hair mate?!?!
393 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 16, 2015 7:14:02am

re: #392 A Cranky One

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Just make sure you don’t feed them.

394 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 16, 2015 7:14:38am

re: #393 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Just make sure you don’t feed them.

They seek out gold and make plans to invade Canada.

395 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2015 7:14:42am

re: #393 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Just make sure you don’t feed them.

Or get them wet.

396 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 16, 2015 7:15:29am

re: #395 The Vicious Babushka

Or get them wet.

Yeah. Different species, though.

397 unproven innocence  Jun 16, 2015 7:15:38am

re: #392 A Cranky One

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IIRC Dr McCoy believed the Tribbles were born pregnant. No mating required.

398 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 16, 2015 7:16:31am

re: #397 unproven innocence

IIRC Dr McCoy believed the Tribbles were born pregnant. No mating required.

I think so. Feeding them encouraged their self-fertility.

399 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 16, 2015 7:18:08am

re: #397 unproven innocence

IIRC Dr McCoy believed the Tribbles were born pregnant. No mating required.

Just like some species of aphids.

400 Jayleia  Jun 16, 2015 7:19:01am

re: #389 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I can’t really call her a heroine or even much of a protagonist, she’s basically just a sounding board that was *just* put together.

401 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 16, 2015 7:20:29am

re: #362 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Usually I’m with you on stuff, but here I am not. I know two transgender people personally, and I know it’s not a kind of “phase” or self-deception or fashion statement.

Me too, JAH is one of my favorite lizards, but is really, really wrong on this topic.

402 urbanmeemaw  Jun 16, 2015 7:24:01am

re: #12 The Vicious Babushka

Dim Jim thinks the Pope is not Catholic==>

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New Dim Jim Idea of a Joke:

Person A: Do you really think Obummer is an Islamofascist Kenyan Userper who has destroyed America?

Dime Jim: Is the Pope a Commie?

//rim shot

403 Eventual Carrion  Jun 16, 2015 7:26:30am

re: #391 Higgs Boson’s Mate

“The Hair That Ate the Republican Party.” coming soon to theater near you!

The hair then went into the kitchen and started hacking up derpballs.

404 Jayleia  Jun 16, 2015 7:31:30am

Here’s a Venn diagram that basically explains the whole gender thing in one picture…it isn’t be accurate by the percentages, but it does get the necessary point across.

This is easy…isn’t it?
405 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 16, 2015 7:32:02am

re: #400 Jayleia

I can’t really call her a heroine or even much of a protagonist, she’s basically just a sounding board that was *just* put together.

I haven’t read the book, but the reviews made it sound like the characters were cardboard cutouts, and the author a complete hack. Now, a very rich hack.

Life is so unfair sometimes.

406 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 16, 2015 7:33:41am

re: #404 Jayleia

Here’s a Venn diagram that basically explains the whole gender thing in one picture…it isn’t be accurate by the percentages, but it does get the necessary point across.

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That’s the concept I was trying to express earlier. Good graphic!

407 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 16, 2015 7:35:26am

re: #404 Jayleia

Here’s a Venn diagram that basically explains the whole gender thing in one picture…it isn’t be accurate by the percentages, but it does get the necessary point across.

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I like that Venn diagram. In addition to explaining concepts, the colors and symmetry are sharp looking.

408 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 16, 2015 7:38:39am

re: #390 No Country For Old Haters

409 Nyet  Jun 16, 2015 7:38:43am

re: #404 Jayleia

It’s basically a colorful Stay Puft Man seen from below :D

410 SteelPH  Jun 16, 2015 7:39:23am

re: #409 Nyet

It’s basically a colorful Stay Puft Man seen from below :D

Damn it man, now I can’t unsee that.
//

411 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 16, 2015 7:41:01am

re: #408 GlutenFreeJesus

So Michelle Obama made them all racists. Interesting. If I buy her the wool will she make me one too?

412 Nyet  Jun 16, 2015 7:41:28am

re: #410 SteelPH

Damn it man, now I can’t unsee that.
//

Then the evil plan works! MWAHAHAHAHA!

413 darthstar  Jun 16, 2015 7:41:32am
414 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 16, 2015 7:41:50am

re: #409 Nyet

re: #410 SteelPH

The big white robot from Big Hero 6 could be an alternative..

415 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 16, 2015 7:43:08am

I’m going to bed. See you cats later.

416 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2015 7:44:18am

HURR HURR WHO NEEDS ROADS!!!!! Libertarian tries to Aynsplain that aircraft are a “competitor” to surface transport.

417 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 16, 2015 7:46:50am

re: #416 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR WHO NEEDS ROADS!!!!! Libertarian tries to Aynsplain that aircraft are a “competitor” to surface transport.

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Don’t disrespect those planes! After all, they built their own airports, the roads to them, and the air traffic control system. Let’s see a car do that.

418 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2015 7:47:50am

re: #417 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Don’t disrespect those planes! After all, they built their own airports, the roads to them, and the air traffic control system. Let’s see a car do that.

419 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2015 7:51:36am

I have a feeling that Andres will meet the mute button in about 5 seconds.

420 Nyet  Jun 16, 2015 7:53:13am

I see that German-speaking wingnuts write the same shit about themselves as their American counterparts:

Nerd/Geek, Ehemann, Vater, Golfer, #NurdieSGE, (Neo-)Liberaler, #mehrmarkt #wenigerstaat

421 Dr Lizardo  Jun 16, 2015 7:54:03am

So, now that the Kurds have taken Tal Abyad, the Turks are seething. Which was entirely predictable.

Erdogan’s strategy has just blown up in his face.

422 Nyet  Jun 16, 2015 7:54:10am

They are like children.

423 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 16, 2015 7:54:39am

re: #416 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR WHO NEEDS ROADS!!!!! Libertarian tries to Aynsplain that aircraft are a “competitor” to surface transport.

This sort of thing sounds more and more like the fictious letters to the BBC that turned up on Monty Python’s Flying Circus. Except for the part about the letters showing greater intellectual input, forethought, and some cleverness in their satire. Hmm, I guess that makes them completely different when you get down to it.

These people also need to read the adage about keeping silent and letting people think you’re an idiot rather than opening your mouth and removing all doubt.

424 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2015 7:55:01am

re: #422 Nyet

They are like children.

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WHAT HAVE THE ROMANS EVER DONE FOR US!!!!!

425 Nyet  Jun 16, 2015 7:55:51am

oh

426 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2015 7:57:04am

re: #425 Nyet

oh

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Wolfwoman: Never Have A Bad Hair Day Again

427 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 16, 2015 7:59:47am

re: #422 Nyet

They are like children.

I live on the Rhine, where, in the Golden Age of Individual Entrepreneurship and Weak Central Government, you had to pay a toll every couple of miles to be allowed to pass.

Not that the barons were providing any sort of service in exchange for the tolls in the form of improvements, the only service they provided was not killing you and keeping everything you owned.

428 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2015 8:01:12am

re: #427 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I live on the RHine, where, in the GOlden Age of INdividual Entrepreneurship, you had to pay a toll every couple of miles to be allowed to pass.

Not that the barons were providing any sort of service in exchange for the tolls in the form of improvements, the only service they provided was not killing you and keeping everything you owned.

The roads were already in place (by those Romans who never did anything for us), the barons just blocked the right of way and demanded tribute. That’s why they’re called Robber Barons and not Road Building Barons.

429 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 16, 2015 8:03:06am

re: #428 The Vicious Babushka

The roads were already in place (by those Romans who never did anything for us), the barons just blocked the right of way and demanded tribute. That’s why they’re called Robber Barons and not Road Building Barons.

Actually, there was nothing but a towpath along the Rhine, the river was too full of rapids to be passable for whipping. It was Napoleon who built a fully connected road along the Rhine when it was a French province.

430 Eventual Carrion  Jun 16, 2015 8:04:26am

re: #416 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR WHO NEEDS ROADS!!!!! Libertarian tries to Aynsplain that aircraft are a “competitor” to surface transport.

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A runway in every backyard!

431 ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2015 8:04:53am

re: #347 Nyet

Seriously, fuck you.

You know, that is totally out of line.

Can you at least practice some common respect?

Yeah, Justanotherhuman has a different opinion. It may be generational.

Does that deserve that response.

We are all products of our times and what was accepted, and what we were taught.

Just like the views of some of the younger members here that are more open to LBGT issues are probably different from some of their parents. Do you just tell your parents to “fuck off.” Did you tell you grandparents that may have even more issue with someone like Caitlyn Jenner to fuck off too, or did you show common decency because you knew they just don’t understand.

But then, my thinking you are out of line is possibly generational too. So maybe I get a fuck you for pointing out that you and everyone that updinged you for being disrespectful to an elder have no respect.

I see justanotherhuman has logged out. I bet she is very upset. And that bothers me because it is obvious she finds discussion here pretty entertaining and a big part of her day. That may now be ruined for her. And for what reason?

Damn, sometimes I don’t understand humans doing what you and others just did. No feel for the person that said it. All you did was see her as an enemy. To me that is as out of line as what some of you thought of her comments.

I think a very heartfelt apology is warranted. But maybe I am old-time thinking that too.

Once again, the internet proves that it can kill off proper behavior.

What ever happened to what was considered the ‘high road.’

And I bet you I am not the only one uncomfortable right now. Damn.

432 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2015 8:05:23am

re: #430 Eventual Carrion

A runway in every backyard!

433 Lidane  Jun 16, 2015 8:07:56am
434 unproven innocence  Jun 16, 2015 8:09:02am

re: #432 The Vicious Babushka

“How do you get to the airport?” Bicycle — old school method.

435 Eventual Carrion  Jun 16, 2015 8:09:06am

re: #432 The Vicious Babushka

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How do you get to the airport?

Everyone has to live at the Airport Ramada.

436 #FergusonFireside  Jun 16, 2015 8:09:15am

Oh geeze Trump hates all countries.

437 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2015 8:10:08am

re: #434 unproven innocence

“How do you get to the airport?” Bicycle — old school method.

I BUILD MY HOUSE ON THE RUNWAY. FUCK YOUR REGULATIONS!!!!

438 blueraven  Jun 16, 2015 8:10:29am

re: #436 #FergusonFireside

Oh geeze Trump hates all countries.

They’re rapist

439 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 16, 2015 8:10:37am

re: #433 Lidane

What!?! That announcement didn’t include Delay entering the GOP nominee sweepstakes. A missed opportunity.

440 blueraven  Jun 16, 2015 8:11:43am

Trump: We should have taken their oil.

talking about Iraq

441 #FergusonFireside  Jun 16, 2015 8:12:44am

He is crazy.

442 Nyet  Jun 16, 2015 8:12:59am

re: #431 ObserverArt

I might have been more calm had this been the first time.
She’d already had this discussion here, the discussion included two transwomen even, but apparently this didn’t help at all.

So yes, when she began to spout about how it’s all just “imaginings” and how taking your kid’s nature into account is “child abuse”, and after re-reading Leelah’s story, I wrote what I thought. It goes far beyond a mere “different opinion”.

443 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 16, 2015 8:12:59am

re: #437 The Vicious Babushka

I BUILD MY HOUSE ON THE RUNWAY. FUCK YOUR REGULATIONS!!!!

There’s a small community near me where the people do have planes in their garages, which open to a runway, but obviously it would be completely insane to replace cars with much more expensive air travel. The people you’re wasting your time arguing with believe what they want to believe, no matter how insane their beliefs are.

444 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 16, 2015 8:13:53am

re: #443 No Country For Old Haters

There’s a small community near me where the people do have planes in their garages, which open to a runway, but obviously it would be completely insane to replace cars with much more expensive air travel. The people you’re wasting your time arguing with believe what they want to believe, no matter how insane their beliefs are.

Also hard to evacuate during a tornado or hurricane.

445 blueraven  Jun 16, 2015 8:16:01am

Trump can build a website for 3 dollars!!

446 allegro  Jun 16, 2015 8:16:22am

re: #443 No Country For Old Haters

There’s a small community near me where the people do have planes in their garages, which open to a runway, but obviously it would be completely insane to replace cars with much more expensive air travel. The people you’re wasting your time arguing with believe what they want to believe, no matter how insane their beliefs are.

But are there landing strips at grocery stores?

447 #FergusonFireside  Jun 16, 2015 8:16:39am

re: #445 blueraven

Trump can build a website for 3 dollars!!

I thought I mis-heard that!

448 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2015 8:17:35am

So is Trump throwing his hair in the ring or is he just farting out of his face anus?

449 darthstar  Jun 16, 2015 8:17:42am

Trump is doing this free-form, a la Sarah Palin. No script, no teleprompter.

periscope.tv

Go check it out…he’s all over the fucking map.

450 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 16, 2015 8:18:27am

re: #446 allegro

But are there landing strips at grocery stores?

Presumably in the road-free libertarian world, Peapod does air-drops of your groceries. We also work from home since there’s no runway at work. This is starting to sound just a little impractical. ;>

451 blueraven  Jun 16, 2015 8:18:34am

re: #448 The Vicious Babushka

So is Trump throwing his hair in the ring or is he just farting out of his face anus?

Who the hell knows. He is just rambling now.

452 Eventual Carrion  Jun 16, 2015 8:19:49am

re: #450 No Country For Old Haters

Presumably in the road-free libertarian world, Peapod does air-drops of your groceries. We also work from home since there’s no runway at work. This is starting to sound just a little impractical. ;>

Jetpacks!

453 Lidane  Jun 16, 2015 8:19:59am

re: #451 blueraven

Who the hell knows. He is just rambling now.

Shorter Trump:

454 allegro  Jun 16, 2015 8:20:03am

re: #450 No Country For Old Haters

Presumably in the road-free libertarian world, Peapod does air-drops of your groceries. We also work from home since there’s no runway at work. This is starting to sound just a little impractical. ;>

Never work. I like to squeeze my own tomatoes.

455 Lidane  Jun 16, 2015 8:21:54am

re: #453 Lidane

Related:

456 blueraven  Jun 16, 2015 8:22:23am

Trump says he is running for POTUS.

457 Varek Raith  Jun 16, 2015 8:23:05am

Lol.

458 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2015 8:23:24am
459 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 16, 2015 8:23:50am

re: #456 blueraven

Trump says he is running for POTUS.

That’s awesome. The clown-car just got even goofier.

460 Lidane  Jun 16, 2015 8:23:51am
461 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2015 8:24:07am

Donald Trump’s mouth hole looks like an anus with teeth.

462 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 16, 2015 8:24:11am

re: #458 The Vicious Babushka

Of the United States?

/

463 #FergusonFireside  Jun 16, 2015 8:24:28am

TMZ (yes TMZ) is running his announcement live.

464 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 16, 2015 8:25:36am

re: #460 Lidane

And to think that John Michael Bolton’s Mustache didn’t want in on this parade.

/

465 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 16, 2015 8:25:38am

Trump is the greatest performance artist of our generation, bar none. holy shit. There are rapists. $0 GDP. $3 websites.

466 Nyet  Jun 16, 2015 8:26:08am

Had this been said about any other persecuted minority, there wouldn’t have been any allowance for “age”, “upbringing”, or finger-wagging about lack of politeness in response - and rightly so.

467 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2015 8:26:49am

re: #462 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Of the United States?

/

PRESIDENT OF ALL THE THINGS!!!1!!!!

468 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 16, 2015 8:27:14am

When did we beat Japan.

When did we beat Japan?

When did we beat Japan?

469 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 16, 2015 8:27:53am

Oh and trans people are real and have really tough lives and spending your time castigating them is super shitty behavior. It’s Trump-level behavior.

470 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 16, 2015 8:28:10am

re: #433 Lidane

From his exterminating business office?

471 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2015 8:28:34am
472 Varek Raith  Jun 16, 2015 8:28:36am

re: #468 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

When did we beat Japan.

When did we beat Japan?

When did we beat Japan?

Never.

473 Mike Lamb  Jun 16, 2015 8:29:21am

re: #460 Lidane

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But the Democrats have like 4 candidates, which means they are in disarray.

474 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 16, 2015 8:30:03am

Trump is running to help Jeb! by taking votes from…um…

475 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 16, 2015 8:30:56am

We beat Japan in the 2011 Little League World Series, as any fool knows.

476 Varek Raith  Jun 16, 2015 8:31:11am

The world is looking at us and saying, “WTF, America?”

477 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 16, 2015 8:31:57am

re: #476 Varek Raith

The world is looking at us and saying, “WTF, America?”

Comedy is hard, but the GOP is trying too much to achieve it.

478 Ace-o-aces  Jun 16, 2015 8:32:50am

re: #422 Nyet

They are like children.

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To be fair, they hide that kind of information in books.

479 blueraven  Jun 16, 2015 8:33:18am

Mexico is our enemy too.

Trump - Ford building a plant there. He would put a stop that shit even before he is President.

480 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 16, 2015 8:33:34am

re: #476 Varek Raith

The world is looking at us and saying, “WTF, America?”

I think the more advanced western nations have known for a long time that despite our military might, we’re a backwater, with a poorly educated, highly gullible population. In some ways we’re more like Pakistan than the UK.

481 ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2015 8:33:50am

re: #442 Nyet

I might have been more calm had this been the first time.
She’d already had this discussion here, the discussion included two transwomen even, but apparently this didn’t help at all.

So yes, when she began to spout about how it’s all just “imaginings” and how taking your kid’s nature into account is “child abuse”, and after re-reading Leelah’s story, I wrote what I thought. It goes far beyond a mere “different opinion”.

And you continue to miss the point.

Some people are not going to change. It’s been like that through the history of man.

This is a discussion board. She shared her opinion. You don’t like it, fine. But to say fuck you to her doesn’t make you some shining light for gender issues.

It makes you a bully. Once you utter something like that…all reasonableness goes right out the door. It does nothing to change anyone’s view. Good job.

Later. I’m bummed by all this. I have to run out and mail some carp. A good time to do it.

482 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 8:33:53am

re: #471 The Vicious Babushka

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Heh remember that time that someone posted a photo of his “parents” that was a British serial killing couple and asked that Donald retweet. He got pissed. Even threatened to sue. I doubt Donald will ever run but if he does, it will be just a game to him. He’s someone I can totally see getting in a scandal regarding in illegal personal use of campaign money because A) he’s got no idea what it actually means to run for office and B) he’s a crook anyhow.

483 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 16, 2015 8:34:00am

re: #479 blueraven

Mexico is our enemy too.

Trump - Ford building a plant there. He would put a stop that shit even before he is President.

So capital can’t move freely, relocate?

Interesting.

//

484 #FergusonFireside  Jun 16, 2015 8:35:06am

wipe the spittle off your mouth. GAH

485 blueraven  Jun 16, 2015 8:35:31am

re: #483 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

So capital can’t move freely, relocate?

Interesting.

//

So much for that small government.
I am sure ALL the big corporations will love him! /

486 Varek Raith  Jun 16, 2015 8:36:36am

We need some appropriate music for this grand occasion.

487 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 16, 2015 8:37:13am

re: #481 ObserverArt

Saying ‘fuck you’ to someone isn’t bullying them. It’s saying ‘fuck you’ to them.

I know two trans kids who killed themselves, because of bullying. Including among the bullying was a lot of shit that Justanotherhuman said. They killed themselves because they felt so alienated, like they’d never be possibly accepted by anyone, like they simply disgusted other people and were seen as broken wrecks of human beings.

I don’t think saying ‘fuck you’ is useful, but it’s far less harmful than what she was saying. Calling it just an opinion is the Limbaugh defense.

488 lawhawk  Jun 16, 2015 8:37:14am

Trump’s mainlining all the worst traits in the GOP right now - a bunch of xenophobic know nothings.

489 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 16, 2015 8:37:43am

re: #485 blueraven

So much for that small government.
I am sure ALL the big corporations will love him! /

Executive orders coming out from a Trump Administration would be both high comedy gold and extremely corrosive to our society and governmental structures.

490 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 8:37:44am

re: #486 Varek Raith

We need some appropriate music for this grand occasion.
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Video

This needs to be played every GOP debate and Reince Preibus needs to wear a pinstriped suit and tell GOP voters to step right up.

491 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 8:38:41am

re: #488 lawhawk

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Trump’s mainlining all the worst traits in the GOP right now - a bunch of xenophobic know nothings.

You forgot his worst trait at all. His hair! //

492 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 16, 2015 8:38:59am

Don’t tell a GOP audience that the saudis are in the building, they’re likely to panic.

493 Ace-o-aces  Jun 16, 2015 8:39:40am
494 Eventual Carrion  Jun 16, 2015 8:40:16am

re: #481 ObserverArt

[snip]

Later. I’m bummed by all this. I have to run out and mail some carp. A good time to do it.

Triple wrap them, they can really stink up a delivery truck.

495 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 16, 2015 8:40:23am

And the Chinese don’t need to set up a Manchurian Candidate - the GOP is doing that on their own without any help.

496 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jun 16, 2015 8:42:06am

Can The Daily Show do a one hour episode tonight?

497 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 16, 2015 8:42:29am
498 ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2015 8:43:01am

re: #466 Nyet

Had this been said about any other persecuted minority, there wouldn’t have been any allowance for “age”, “upbringing”, or finger-wagging about lack of politeness in response - and rightly so.

Obviously not to you.

I tend to consider the individual who made the statement and keep what I know about them in context.

I don’t know, I guess it has something to do with feelings. Something that has been lost on the ‘net. Yes, I am considerate to people even when they are wrong.

(Saw this and commented. Going now.)

499 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 8:43:23am

re: #497 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

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I see the DNC has been in Britain.

500 Lidane  Jun 16, 2015 8:43:34am

The Daily Show writers room right about now:

Trump is running. Jon Stewart couldn’t have asked for a better send off.

501 makeitstop  Jun 16, 2015 8:43:59am

re: #497 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

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That statement needs sarc tags. Lots and lots of them.

502 Dr Lizardo  Jun 16, 2015 8:44:14am

re: #490 HappyWarrior

This needs to be played every GOP debate and Reince Preibus needs to wear a pinstriped suit and tell GOP voters to step right up.

Don’t forget the hat to complete the ensemble.

503 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 8:44:16am

re: #500 Lidane

The Daily Show writers room right about now:

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Trump is running. Jon Stewart couldn’t have asked for a better send off.

Yeah it’s a comedy writer’s wet dream.What a thing to wake up to.

504 Varek Raith  Jun 16, 2015 8:44:36am

re: #501 makeitstop

That statement needs sarc tags. Lots and lots of them.

This whole thing needs sarc tags.
/

505 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 8:45:25am

re: #502 Dr Lizardo

Don’t forget the hat to complete the ensemble.

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Oh yes, the hat. HERE WE HAVE THE THRICE BANKRUPTCY DECLARED MILLIONAIRE WHO HAS NEVER BEEN ELECTED FOR ANYTHING AND IS A BIRTHER

506 Varek Raith  Jun 16, 2015 8:46:54am

507 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 8:47:29am

Okay so we have
Bush
Huckabee
Santorum
Paul
Carson
Rubio
Cruz
Graham
Fiorina Thanks VB
who have all officially declared
and
Walker
who has not?

508 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2015 8:48:14am

re: #507 HappyWarrior

Okay so we have
Bush
Huckabee
Santorum
Paul
Carson
Rubio
Cruz
Graham
who have all officially declared
and
Walker
who has not?

Carly. You forgot Carly.

509 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 8:48:17am

So basically you got a baseball team of GOP candidates rather than the power trio that the Dems currently have.

510 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 8:48:40am

re: #508 The Vicious Babushka

Carly. You forgot Carly.

Thanks. So this is going to be over 10!?!?!

511 blueraven  Jun 16, 2015 8:48:42am

The Last Words of Dutch Schultz

Q. (from Sergeant Conlon) - Who shot you?

A.- The boss himself.

Q.- He did?

A.- Yes, I don’t know.

Q.- What did he shoot you for?

A.- I showed him boss; did you hear him meet me? An appointment. Appeal stuck. All right, mother.

Q.- Was it the boss shot you?

A.- Who shot me? No one.

Q.- We will help you.

A.- Will you help me up? O.K. I won’t be such a big creep. Oh, mama. I can’t go through with it, please. Oh, and then he clips me; come on. Cut that out, we don’t owe a nickel; hold it; instead, hold it against him; I am a pretty good pretzler -Winifred- Department of Justice. I even got it from the department. Sir, please stop it. Say listen the last night!

512 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 16, 2015 8:48:58am

I love Republican fantasies about getting other countries to pay for shit we do. We’ll make Iraq pay for our invasion of them, Mexico pay for a wall we want to build. let’s make Canada pay for French lessons for us, too.

513 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 8:49:56am

re: #512 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

I love Republican fantasies about getting other countries to pay for shit we do. We’ll make Iraq pay for our invasion of them, Mexico pay for a wall we want to build. let’s make Canada pay for French lessons for us, too.

It’s easy to be “fiscally responsible” I guess when someone else is paying.

514 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 16, 2015 8:51:03am

Did he just say “guns on every table” or I have I entered a hallucinatory fugue state?

515 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 8:51:16am

It’s going to be hilarious to see guys winning primaries with less than 20% of the vote.

516 #FergusonFireside  Jun 16, 2015 8:51:37am

re: #514 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

Did he just say “guns on every table” or I have I entered a hallucinatory fugue state?

I’m still stuck on the $3.00 websites.

Oh and the great wall.

517 Varek Raith  Jun 16, 2015 8:52:00am

Guns not bread!

518 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 8:52:04am

re: #514 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

Did he just say “guns on every table” or I have I entered a hallucinatory fugue state?

We certainly have come a long way from Herbert Hoover wanting a chicken in every pot. I don’t know since I am not watching but honestly given the fetish in the GOP, it wouldn’t shock me if you did indeed hear that.

519 makeitstop  Jun 16, 2015 8:52:14am

re: #510 HappyWarrior

Thanks. So this is going to be over 10!?!?!

I saw somewhere this morning that Trump makes 12.

520 blueraven  Jun 16, 2015 8:52:20am

Trump did say something reasonable and true, “rebuild our infrastructure”

521 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 8:52:47am

re: #519 makeitstop

I saw somewhere this morning that Trump makes 12.

12 Angry Men. And yes I know Carly is a woman and running.

522 Lidane  Jun 16, 2015 8:53:09am
523 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 8:53:17am

re: #520 blueraven

Trump did say something reasonable and true, “rebuild out infrastructure”

Well there goes his shot to deal with the GOP Congress.

524 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 16, 2015 8:53:47am

re: #514 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

Did he just say “guns on every table” or I have I entered a hallucinatory fugue state?

Do you want to have to get up to reach for your gun? If they’re on every table, we can start shooting wherever we happen to be. Pew pew! Yehaw!

525 makeitstop  Jun 16, 2015 8:53:50am

re: #512 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

I love Republican fantasies about getting other countries to pay for shit we do. We’ll make Iraq pay for our invasion of them, Mexico pay for a wall we want to build. let’s make Canada pay for French lessons for us, too.

Let’s get Germany to buy the beer!

/

526 lawhawk  Jun 16, 2015 8:53:56am
527 #FergusonFireside  Jun 16, 2015 8:54:41am

SE Cupp eviscerating him.

She was howling.

528 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 8:54:42am

re: #525 makeitstop

Let’s get Germany to buy the beer!

/

Vut you Americans buy isn’t bier. //

529 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jun 16, 2015 8:54:57am

Republicans would be happy to rebuild infrastructure. They just don’t want to let anything decent happen when there’s a Democrat in the big chair.

530 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 8:55:02am

re: #527 #FergusonFireside

SE Cupp eviscerating him.

She was howling.

Isn’t she a Rand Paul fan?

531 Jenner7  Jun 16, 2015 8:55:25am

My local radio host, who is Republican, was trashing Donald left and right this morning. I even went to right wing radio and Beck was just hammering this guy. You know it’s bad when Glenn Beck thinks you’re a joke.

I noticed that the only network that didn’t cover his speech is MSNBC. Thank you.

532 allegro  Jun 16, 2015 8:55:33am

re: #526 lawhawk

news.yahoo.com

At age 98, I think a stated cause of death is probably not necessary.

533 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 8:55:54am

re: #532 allegro

At age 98, I think a stated cause of death is probably not necessary.

Death was his cause of death. I mean no disrespect, just a smart ass way of saying he had a long go at it.

534 makeitstop  Jun 16, 2015 8:56:00am

re: #528 HappyWarrior

Vut you Americans buy isn’t bier. //

Maybe I should have said ‘Let’s get Germany to supply the beer.’

535 ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2015 8:56:37am

re: #487 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

Saying ‘fuck you’ to someone isn’t bullying them. It’s saying ‘fuck you’ to them.

I know two trans kids who killed themselves, because of bullying. Including among the bullying was a lot of shit that Justanotherhuman said. They killed themselves because they felt so alienated, like they’d never be possibly accepted by anyone, like they simply disgusted other people and were seen as broken wrecks of human beings.

I don’t think saying ‘fuck you’ is useful, but it’s far less harmful than what she was saying. Calling it just an opinion is the Limbaugh defense.

Damn, another comment to be responded to.

Context Obdi.

This is a discussion board. She was discussing the debate, wright or wrong.

Would she say that to someone directly, I don’t know, but everyone is treating it like she did. Would she prevent her grand kid from expressing his feminine side. I can’t say. Sure it would be tough on her given her thoughts.

But I am hopeful she is open minded enough that should that arise in her own family, maybe this day triggers her to consider it differently. Maybe she is already having a think about it now. Knowing her from this board, I think she is always open to reconsideration and learning. Which can be tough as an elder.

I think some of the members are shutting that door and that helps no one.

I always give people the chance to grow and learn. Fuck yous don’t help that at all. And all I have been arguing is about respect. That doesn’t change and Sergey seems reluctant to acknowledge it was not needed.

536 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 8:56:59am

re: #534 makeitstop

Maybe I should have said ‘Let’s get Germany to supply the beer.’

Heh I was actually kind of joking. We’re not Germany or Belgium yet but domestic IPAs are good.

537 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 16, 2015 8:58:33am

re: #527 #FergusonFireside

SE Cupp eviscerating him.

She was howling.

I’ve seen her on Maher’s show. She’s a lunatic.

538 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 8:58:48am

Damn though. If you cut the GOP primary candidate number in half, you still have more Republicans running than Democrats.

539 makeitstop  Jun 16, 2015 8:59:15am

re: #536 HappyWarrior

Heh I was actually kind of joking. We’re not Germany or Belgium yet but domestic IPAs are good.

Wait, wait. I’d like to change my nomination.

Czech Republic, you’re it!
540 Varek Raith  Jun 16, 2015 8:59:16am

re: #538 HappyWarrior

Damn though. If you cut the GOP primary candidate number in half, you still have more Republicans running than Democrats.

DISARRAY

541 allegro  Jun 16, 2015 8:59:29am

re: #533 HappyWarrior

Death was his cause of death.

I remember some time ago an article about a plane crash stating that the cause of death of passengers had not yet been released. I’ll just leave that there.

542 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 8:59:34am

re: #537 No Country For Old Haters

I’ve seen her on Maher’s show. She’s a lunatic.

She’s the hipsterative. // And the go to where the right likes to claim they have religious skeptics on their side. She may well be a genuine skeptic but she kisses the RR’s ass a lot.

543 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 16, 2015 8:59:53am

re: #538 HappyWarrior

Damn though. If you cut the GOP primary candidate number in half, you still have more Republicans running than Democrats.

For practical purposes there is only one Deocratic candidate.

And for practical purposes, there are no viable GOP candidates.

544 William Lewis  Jun 16, 2015 8:59:54am

re: #502 Dr Lizardo

Don’t forget the hat to complete the ensemble.

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Good bye pork pie hat…

545 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 9:00:05am

re: #541 allegro

I remember some time ago an article about a plane crash stating that the cause of death of passengers had not yet been released. I’ll just leave that there.

Heh I think I do remember that.

546 blueraven  Jun 16, 2015 9:00:23am

Philadelphia Naval Installation evacuated.

547 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 9:00:59am

re: #539 makeitstop

Wait, wait. I’d like to change my nomination.

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Ooooh good choice.

548 Dr Lizardo  Jun 16, 2015 9:01:50am

re: #539 makeitstop

No.

549 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 9:02:08am

“I Will Be The Greatest Jobs President That God Ever Created”
Well Donald unless you plan on full employment, Mr. Roosevelt might want to have a word with you.

550 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 9:02:44am

re: #548 Dr Lizardo

No.

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease. I can “make” the pirohi.

551 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 16, 2015 9:03:32am

re: #541 allegro

I remember some time ago an article about a plane crash stating that the cause of death of passengers had not yet been released. I’ll just leave that there.

A long time ago we were on a canoeing trip in Russia. A terrible storm came up thone night and one of the canoes on the bank started rolling towards me, I managed to jump out of the way just in time.

I imagined them reporting that to the authorities:
“Our American comrade was killed in a canoeing accident.”
- “How did he die?”
“He was run over!”

552 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 16, 2015 9:03:56am

re: #543 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

For practical purposes there is only one Deocratic candidate.

And for practical purposes, there are no viable GOP candidates.

I’m still going to show up to vote. It shouldn’t even be close, but we have a lot of ignorant, regressive voters in this country.

553 William Lewis  Jun 16, 2015 9:04:42am

re: #442 Nyet

I’m with you on this. It’s a good thing I wasn’t online earlier; I might well be in trouble with Charles based on what I see in this thread.

554 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 9:04:46am

re: #543 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

For practical purposes there is only one Deocratic candidate.

And for practical purposes, there are no viable GOP candidates.

And that is a good point too.

555 makeitstop  Jun 16, 2015 9:04:57am

re: #548 Dr Lizardo

No.

Hey! C’mon, share. I love that stuff.

556 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jun 16, 2015 9:04:58am

re: #551 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

However I go, I don’t want my final word to be “OOPS”

557 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 16, 2015 9:05:20am

re: #552 No Country For Old Haters

I’m still going to show up to vote. It shouldn’t even be close, but we have a lot of ignorant, regressive voters in this country.

Let us take nothing for granted and let us force the GOP to face the fact that it has become dysfunctional and no longer represents a majority of Americans.

558 Lidane  Jun 16, 2015 9:05:43am
559 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 9:05:44am

re: #555 makeitstop

Hey! C’mon, share. I love that stuff.

It was actually one of the first ones I had over 21.

560 lawhawk  Jun 16, 2015 9:05:49am

re: #516 #FergusonFireside

561 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 9:06:28am

re: #558 Lidane

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Why the hell hack a team you barely ever play? I have read that Houston’s GM used to work for the Cards but still.

562 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 16, 2015 9:07:34am

re: #535 ObserverArt

Damn, another comment to be responded to.

Context Obdi.

This is a discussion board. She was discussing the debate, wright or wrong.

She really wasn’t. She’s done this a bunch of times before, and she doesn’t listen at all to the other side, just spews venom at trans people and says it’s child abuse to respect the feelings of a trans kid.

Would she say that to someone directly, I don’t know, but everyone is treating it like she did. Would she prevent her grand kid from expressing his feminine side. I can’t say. Sure it would be tough on her given her thoughts.

We have trans members who read here, you know. She is saying it directly to people. Unless you think talking about how black people are dumb in the same room as them is okay ‘cuz you’re not directly addressing them.

But I am hopeful she is open minded enough that should that arise in her own family, maybe this day triggers her to consider it differently. Maybe she is already having a think about it now. Knowing her from this board, I think she is always open to reconsideration and learning. Which can be tough as an elder.

I haven’t seen any even remote sign of even beginning to consider having a think about possibly at some point in the future deigning in the least bit to consider any other point of view, and a reminder that her point of view is bigoted and causes actual harm.

I always give people the chance to grow and learn. Fuck yous don’t help that at all. And all I have been arguing is about respect. That doesn’t change and Sergey seems reluctant to acknowledge it was not needed.

I don’t have any data on what helps people who are severely bigoted change their mind, except that hanging out with people who they’re bigoted against generally helps. Other than that, nothing seems to really work, persuasive arguments really don’t. It’s sad, but true.

Again: What she was saying is 500x worse than ‘fuck you’. Someone says ‘fuck you’ to someone, oh man, ruined their day. Someone denying that trans women exist and talking about how encouraging a trans kid to express themselves is child abuse, and how they’ll never accept them—that leads to real, lasting damage and pain. Trans kids kill themselves. A lot. Because they face this kind of bigotry.

I don’t have to respect that opinion any more than I have to respect the opinion that gay men are mentally disturbed. It comes from the same anti-scientific place.

563 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2015 9:08:49am

re: #539 makeitstop

Wait, wait. I’d like to change my nomination.

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That’s my favorite beer!

564 lawhawk  Jun 16, 2015 9:08:56am

re: #561 HappyWarrior

Probably to gain access to confidential info, or to gain advantage on minor league info. That and it sounds like someone forgot to tell ‘em that the Astros aren’t in the NL Central anymore.

565 Dr Lizardo  Jun 16, 2015 9:09:19am

My favorite here is this stuff.

566 Varek Raith  Jun 16, 2015 9:09:36am

Coffee>Beer

567 makeitstop  Jun 16, 2015 9:10:08am

re: #563 The Vicious Babushka

That’s my favorite beer!

I remember you mentioning that. Mine, too!

568 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 9:10:22am

re: #564 lawhawk

Probably to gain access to confidential info, or to gain advantage on minor league info. That and it sounds like someone forgot to tell ‘em that the Astros aren’t in the NL Central anymore.

Yeah minor league info is a good possibility. The Stros are loaded with prospects.

569 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2015 9:10:36am
570 makeitstop  Jun 16, 2015 9:10:56am

re: #565 Dr Lizardo

My favorite here is this stuff.

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Better than Urquell? I shall have to investigate, then.

571 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 16, 2015 9:11:44am

re: #569 The Vicious Babushka

572 William Lewis  Jun 16, 2015 9:12:16am

re: #431 ObserverArt

Actually, no, he was not out of line. Jah was verging on hate speech in my opinion and had I been here my response might not have been that gentle.

573 lawhawk  Jun 16, 2015 9:12:33am

re: #569 The Vicious Babushka

Someone should really remind him that declaring bankruptcy and hosing the creditors isn’t a sound fiscal strategy for a government, especially the US Government. It might work when you’re running casinos into the ground, but it doesn’t work if you’re the US Government.

574 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jun 16, 2015 9:13:20am

When I was a kid, my favorite beer was Shaeffer Beer. “Shaeffer is the one beer to have when you’re having more than one.” I always charged my dad a beer tax when I would get him one from the garage. Whenever he got one from me the level was down around the bottom of the neck. One day it was all the way down to the label. He winked and told me to clean up the beer I spilled.

575 De Kolta Chair  Jun 16, 2015 9:13:47am

re: #536 HappyWarrior

Heh I was actually kind of joking. We’re not Germany or Belgium yet but domestic IPAs are good.

Here’s a domestic IPA I enjoy quaffing (maybe a little too much last Friday night):

576 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2015 9:14:14am

re: #573 lawhawk

Someone should really remind him that declaring bankruptcy and hosing the creditors isn’t a sound fiscal strategy for a government, especially the US Government. It might work when you’re running casinos into the ground, but it doesn’t work if you’re the US Government.

It’s just like Carly bragging about her “executive experience” outsourcing workers, destroying a company & bailing out with a golden parachute, but with MOAR BAD HAIR

577 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2015 9:14:44am
578 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jun 16, 2015 9:14:58am

I wonder if anybody will ask The Donald when the last time was that America was great. Or if there were more than one time, which time period is he trying to duplicate?

579 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 9:16:27am
580 jaunte  Jun 16, 2015 9:16:33am

re: #577 The Vicious Babushka


(all photos from Shutterstock)
581 Jenner7  Jun 16, 2015 9:16:44am
582 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 9:17:39am

re: #575 De Kolta Chair

Here’s a domestic IPA I enjoy quaffing (maybe a little too much last Friday night):

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That’s a good one. In fact, that’s the last IPA I had with my brother before he moved out there.

583 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jun 16, 2015 9:18:47am

I hope he wins so we can find out his seekrit plan to defeat ISIS.

//

584 #FergusonFireside  Jun 16, 2015 9:18:57am

Remember this? Ordered months ago & forgot all about it. Just got email that it shipped!!

Yes!

585 makeitstop  Jun 16, 2015 9:19:17am

Trump’s campaign slogan:

We Shall Overcomb!

586 makeitstop  Jun 16, 2015 9:19:49am

re: #575 De Kolta Chair

Here’s a domestic IPA I enjoy quaffing (maybe a little too much last Friday night):

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My wife loves the IPAs. I’m not so big on them.

587 bratwurst  Jun 16, 2015 9:19:59am
588 allegro  Jun 16, 2015 9:20:22am

re: #584 #FergusonFireside

Remember this? Ordered months ago & forgot all about it. Just got email that it shipped!!

Yes!

Want!

589 A Cranky One  Jun 16, 2015 9:20:44am

re: #580 jaunte

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Well, that would scare me away.

590 #FergusonFireside  Jun 16, 2015 9:21:08am
591 jaunte  Jun 16, 2015 9:21:24am

re: #589 A Cranky One

Seems fairly repellent.

592 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jun 16, 2015 9:22:13am

re: #580 jaunte

Wait till you see the graffitti.

593 allegro  Jun 16, 2015 9:22:18am
594 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 9:24:58am

Okay someone with better nutritional knowledge help a guy out here. What are transfats and how are they different from regular fats?

595 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 16, 2015 9:26:51am

re: #594 HappyWarrior

Okay someone with better nutritional knowledge help a guy out here. What are transfats and how are they different from regular fats?

A dangerous un-natural form of fat, that is probably dangerous to our health.
en.wikipedia.org

596 lawhawk  Jun 16, 2015 9:27:18am

re: #586 makeitstop

I’m a big IPA fan, the Mrs. not so much; she prefers her porters and stouts.

Then again, give me a Guinness and I’m a happy camper. :)

597 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 9:28:01am

re: #595 No Country For Old Haters

A dangerous un-natural form of fat, that is probably dangerous to our health.
en.wikipedia.org

Thanks. I figured they were unnatural and worse for the body.

598 A Cranky One  Jun 16, 2015 9:28:58am

re: #594 HappyWarrior

Okay someone with better nutritional knowledge help a guy out here. What are transfats and how are they different from regular fats?

Mayo Clinic

Short answer:

Most trans fats are made from oils through a food processing method called partial hydrogenation. By partially hydrogenating oils, they become easier to cook with and less likely to spoil than do naturally occurring oils. Research studies show that these partially hydrogenated trans fats can increase unhealthy LDL cholesterol and lower healthy high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol. This can increase your risk of cardiovascular disease.

599 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 9:29:34am

re: #596 lawhawk

I’m a big IPA fan, the Mrs. not so much; she prefers her porters and stouts.

Then again, give me a Guinness and I’m a happy camper. :)

LH if you ever go to Dublin, you gotta do the Guinness Storehouse tour. I too am a Guinness guy and I had a blast. Plus you get a complimentary Guinness from the Gravity Bar while enjoying some of the best views of Dublin. Dublin also is probably one of the most friendly cities I’ve ever been to.

600 Varek Raith  Jun 16, 2015 9:30:13am

re: #597 HappyWarrior

Interesting.

On November 7, 2013, the FDA issued a preliminary determination that trans fats are not “generally recognized as safe”, which was widely seen as a precursor to a reclassification of trans fats as a “food additive,” meaning they could not be used in foods without specific regulatory authorization. This would have the effect of virtually eliminating trans fats from the US food supply.[143][144] The ruling was formally enacted on June 16, 2015, requiring that within three years, all food prepared in the United States must not include trans fats, unless approved by the FDA

601 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 9:30:38am

re: #598 A Cranky One

Mayo Clinic

Short answer:

Most trans fats are made from oils through a food processing method called partial hydrogenation. By partially hydrogenating oils, they become easier to cook with and less likely to spoil than do naturally occurring oils. Research studies show that these partially hydrogenated trans fats can increase unhealthy LDL cholesterol and lower healthy high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol. This can increase your risk of cardiovascular disease.

Thanks. Just saw a blurb on Buzzfeed about how we’re about to ban them and I am expecting those who freak out at pro-nutrition initiatives to bitch about this.

602 jaunte  Jun 16, 2015 9:32:26am
603 allegro  Jun 16, 2015 9:32:28am

re: #597 HappyWarrior

Thanks. I figured they were unnatural and worse for the body.

Without going into the chemistry, the good fats in your diet are polyunsaturated and better, monounsaturated that are those found in olive oil, avocadoes, etc. They help reduce bad cholesterol and aid in the body’s utilization of fat soluable nutrients.

604 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 9:34:09am

re: #603 allegro

Without going into the chemistry, the good fats in your diet are polyunsaturated and better, monounsaturated that are those found in olive oil, avocadoes, etc. They help reduce bad cholesterol and aid in the body’s utilization of fat soluable nutrients.

Thanks for doing it in layman’s term. I’m a historian damnit not a chemist. I do like olive oil and avocado.

605 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 16, 2015 9:34:31am

re: #601 HappyWarrior

Thanks. Just saw a blurb on Buzzfeed about how we’re about to ban them and I am expecting those who freak out at pro-nutrition initiatives to bitch about this.

The people protesting it are people in the food and restaurant businesses who want to avoid additional costs even if that’s better for their customers, and reactionaries that aren’t going to let a Liberal nanny-state come between them and their deaths from cardiovascular disease.

606 piratedan  Jun 16, 2015 9:34:33am

Don’t forget that John Kasich is likely to declare as well. He’s more or less under the radar and I could see a whole bunch of corpratists types gravitating to him because he “sounds” sane and has experience and is relatively media savvy… just not as frothy as the others.

607 lawhawk  Jun 16, 2015 9:34:41am

re: #602 jaunte

Irony alert - Trump appeared and “wrestled” in a WWE story line.

608 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 9:35:34am

re: #602 jaunte

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Do Dim Jim and Trump seriously think Mexico’s going to “Go okay sure you can force us to build a wall and after that we’ll wear that kick me sign too.” Trump demanding that Mexico pay for a wall totally underscores the fact that these guys do not understand international relations at all.

609 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 16, 2015 9:35:44am

re: #607 lawhawk

Irony alert - Trump appeared and “wrestled” in a WWE story line.

In that case he has my vote. Who else is going to break a folding chair over Putin’s back?

610 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 9:36:12am

re: #606 piratedan

Don’t forget that John Kasich is likely to declare as well. He’s more or less under the radar and I could see a whole bunch of corpratists types gravitating to him because he “sounds” sane and has experience and is relatively media savvy… just not as frothy as the others.

I did forget about Kasich. Sheesh this is well over a dozen now huh.

611 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 9:36:54am

re: #605 No Country For Old Haters

The people protesting it are people in the food and restaurant businesses who want to avoid additional costs even if that’s better for their customers, and reactionaries that aren’t going to let a Liberal nanny-state come between them and their deaths from cardiovascular disease.

Right. Seems like the right move to ban it. Banning it could help with the obesity epidemic too.

612 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 16, 2015 9:36:58am

re: #608 HappyWarrior

he said he’d appoint someone to directly negotiate with other nations on our behalf. It’s a novel idea. I wonder what to call it. In marketing, they call these people ‘brand ambassadors’, so maybe we should call them ‘United States Ambassadors”. Pretty radical idea.

613 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 16, 2015 9:37:11am

re: #577 The Vicious Babushka

And the Mescixans will pay for it.

/

614 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 16, 2015 9:37:39am

re: #612 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

he said he’d appoint someone to directly negotiate with other nations on our behalf. It’s a novel idea. I wonder what to call it. In marketing, they call these people ‘brand ambassadors’, so maybe we should call them ‘United States Ambassadors”. Pretty radical idea.

Pretty wild idea.

615 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 16, 2015 9:39:14am

Wow, Rachel Dolezal did her tour of the media this morning, the Today show and Melissa Harris Perry on MSNBC. This thing just gets weirder and weirder.

616 jaunte  Jun 16, 2015 9:39:26am

re: #612 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

he said he’d appoint someone to directly negotiate with other nations on our behalf. It’s a novel idea. I wonder what to call it. In marketing, they call these people ‘brand ambassadors’, so maybe we should call them ‘United States Ambassadors”. Pretty radical idea.

They might have to have special houses with offices attached, and some security. Trump’s probably thought all that out too.

617 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 9:39:30am

re: #612 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

he said he’d appoint someone to directly negotiate with other nations on our behalf. It’s a novel idea. I wonder what to call it. In marketing, they call these people ‘brand ambassadors’, so maybe we should call them ‘United States Ambassadors”. Pretty radical idea.

Heh now you have me thinking of the Family Guy episode where Peter inspired by the Tea Party dismantles the government only to restart the government that we had without realizing the irony.

618 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2015 9:39:47am

So out of this entire swarm of idiots who’s going to come out in front?

My guess is Jeb! with Cruz as VP.

619 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 16, 2015 9:40:12am

re: #616 jaunte

They might have to have special houses with offices attached, and some security. Trump’s probably thought all that out too.

Who the f0ck is going to PAY for all of this?

/

620 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 9:40:21am

re: #616 jaunte

They might have to have special houses with offices attached, and some security. Trump’s probably thought all that out too.

And we might need the Senate to approve them so the President can’t just appoint any yahoo to do it. I mean we don’t want Vince McMahon being the Ambassador to China do we.

621 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 16, 2015 9:41:19am

re: #618 The Vicious Babushka

So out of this entire swarm of idiots who’s going to come out in front?

My guess is Jeb! with Cruz as VP.

The Republicans have shot themselves in the foot nominating a crazy VP to please the wingnuts before. It led to me donating a lot of money to the Obama campaign. I’m not alone in this.

622 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 9:41:22am

re: #618 The Vicious Babushka

So out of this entire swarm of idiots who’s going to come out in front?

My guess is Jeb! with Cruz as VP.

Walker- “Elder statesman.” I definitely think you’re on to something with Jeb picking Cruz, I definitely think he’ll go with someone young and “fresh”(read ultra wingnutty).

623 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 16, 2015 9:43:07am

re: #538 HappyWarrior

Damn though. If you cut the GOP primary candidate number in half, you still have more Republicans running than Democrats.

And still absolutely little differentiation among them in terms of espoused policies.

624 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2015 9:43:39am

re: #622 HappyWarrior

Walker- “Elder statesman.” I definitely think you’re on to something with Jeb picking Cruz, I definitely think he’ll go with someone young and “fresh”(read ultra wingnutty).

Has Walker declared? I heard he was the Koch pick but then he did something to piss them off

625 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2015 9:44:11am
626 A Cranky One  Jun 16, 2015 9:44:34am

re: #622 HappyWarrior

Walker- “Elder statesman.” I definitely think you’re on to something with Jeb picking Cruz, I definitely think he’ll go with someone young and “fresh”(read ultra wingnutty).

I don’t see Cruz being picked as a VP candidate. Too much of a loose cannon.

627 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 16, 2015 9:45:05am

re: #622 HappyWarrior

Walker- “Elder statesman.” I definitely think you’re on to something with Jeb picking Cruz, I definitely think he’ll go with someone young and “fresh”(read ultra wingnutty).

I think this is Jeb!’s race to lose. He could pick Walker as VP or Christie.

I remain surprised that Rubio is doing as well as he is, or is being taken as seriously as he is.

628 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2015 9:45:14am
629 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 9:45:19am

re: #624 The Vicious Babushka

Has Walker declared? I heard he was the Koch pick but then he did something to piss them off

Not formally yet. Here’s why I like Walker for the nominee. I think he has the ability to appeal to the big money donors i.e. the Kochs as you mention but also the base. A guy like Jeb really only appeals to the establishment and on the flip side you have Cruz who only really appeals to the base. I also think Walker is goign to push himself as a “winner” in that he’s won three elections in quite blue Wisconsin.

630 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 9:45:55am

re: #626 A Cranky One

I don’t see Cruz being picked as a VP candidate. Too much of a loose cannon.

I don’t either but I definitely see a Cruz type as a possibility especially if the base still loathes Jeb.

631 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 16, 2015 9:46:00am

re: #629 HappyWarrior

Not formally yet. Here’s why I like Walker for the nominee. I think he has the ability to appeal to the big money donors i.e. the Kochs as you mention but also the base. A guy like Jeb really only appeals to the establishment and on the flip side you have Cruz who only really appeals to the base. I also think Walker is goign to push himself as a “winner” in that he’s won three elections in quite blue Wisconsin.

But Wisconsin is in the toilet. Or is that a feature not a bug.

632 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 9:46:15am

re: #628 The Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

He’s Donnie the Moocher.

633 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2015 9:46:26am

Pretty sure there’s a reasonable metaphor here:

634 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 9:47:34am

re: #631 The Vicious Babushka

But Wisconsin is in the toilet. Or is that a feature not a bug.

See your mistake here is you are thinking rationally about what he’s actually done as governor. He’s going to paint himself as a winner. It doesn’t matter if he fucked up Wisconsin. Just like Paul Ryan having only two bills passed to his name in over 10 years of Congressional service meant nothing to Mitt.

635 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 16, 2015 9:47:53am

re: #579 HappyWarrior

[Embedded content]

Now there’s a head on a beer - that can hold the beer *in* the glass. Do you need a straw in order to drink it?

636 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2015 9:48:46am

heh:

638 blueraven  Jun 16, 2015 9:50:09am

I have been using the hilarious Jeb! when speaking of Jeb Bush. I have decided, no more.

I will forever, in the future, refer to him as Jeb Bush. He has to own that name.

639 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2015 9:50:16am
640 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 16, 2015 9:50:22am

re: #612 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

he said he’d appoint someone to directly negotiate with other nations on our behalf. It’s a novel idea. I wonder what to call it. In marketing, they call these people ‘brand ambassadors’, so maybe we should call them ‘United States Ambassadors”. Pretty radical idea.

And maybe appoint a separate one just to deal with the UN.

641 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 9:51:48am

re: #635 Feline Fearless Leader

Now there’s a head on a beer - that can hold the beer *in* the glass. Do you need a straw in order to drink it?

Heh didn’t need a straw no. Not a bad job pouring. I miss Dublin. As I told LH, it really is a friendly place. I made friends with the guide who gave the Easter Rising tour. He loved my tattoo(Irish brigade). Real interesting guy. You could tell he definitely was a radical.

642 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 16, 2015 9:53:49am

re: #641 HappyWarrior

Heh didn’t need a straw no. Not a bad job pouring. I miss Dublin. As I told LH, it really is a friendly place. I made friends with the guide who gave the Easter Rising tour. He loved my tattoo(Irish brigade). Real interesting guy. You could tell he definitely was a radical.

You did notice that the posted picture is sideways, didn’t you?
:)

643 HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2015 9:55:26am

re: #642 Feline Fearless Leader

You did notice that the posted picture is sideways, didn’t you?
:)

Of course, I took it.

644 allegro  Jun 16, 2015 9:58:05am

re: #638 blueraven

I have been using the hilarious Jeb! when speaking of Jeb Bush. I have decided, no more.

I will forever, in the future, refer to him as Jeb Bush. He has to own that name.

Or just Bush. Even better.

645 ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2015 10:13:40am

re: #562 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

She really wasn’t. She’s done this a bunch of times before, and she doesn’t listen at all to the other side, just spews venom at trans people and says it’s child abuse to respect the feelings of a trans kid.

We have trans members who read here, you know. She is saying it directly to people. Unless you think talking about how black people are dumb in the same room as them is okay ‘cuz you’re not directly addressing them.

I haven’t seen any even remote sign of even beginning to consider having a think about possibly at some point in the future deigning in the least bit to consider any other point of view, and a reminder that her point of view is bigoted and causes actual harm.

I don’t have any data on what helps people who are severely bigoted change their mind, except that hanging out with people who they’re bigoted against generally helps. Other than that, nothing seems to really work, persuasive arguments really don’t. It’s sad, but true.

Again: What she was saying is 500x worse than ‘fuck you’. Someone says ‘fuck you’ to someone, oh man, ruined their day. Someone denying that trans women exist and talking about how encouraging a trans kid to express themselves is child abuse, and how they’ll never accept them—that leads to real, lasting damage and pain. Trans kids kill themselves. A lot. Because they face this kind of bigotry.

I don’t have to respect that opinion any more than I have to respect the opinion that gay men are mentally disturbed. It comes from the same anti-scientific place.

Thanks for the response Obdi. I appreciate it.

I don’t hang on here all the time, and I must say I haven’t followed Justanotherhuman’s comments on this particular subject.

I would have hoped she would be more open about it, seeing that she knows how people of color have been treated and how she herself has been treated in her life.

And I agree you don’t have to respect the opinion. I’m just old school on still respecting the person. It’s part of that thinking that I don’t have to like the message, but someone has the right to express it. Yes, there are lines that should not be crossed. And there are points to where the respect dies out because someone doesn’t want to learn and change.

I think that can be expressed in better ways. Some members have done just that.

The other thing to consider in debate, is there are most likely other LGF members that have trouble with the transgender issue. They probably choose not to even get into a discussion knowing how it would go. Did the FU help bring them to the discussion or make them decide they will never talk about it?

Justanotherhuman said it, and there is some merit in that. She didn’t hide her feelings. I see that as at least stating her opinion and that is also part of respect. At least she was willing to let it out. How many are hiding it which probably means there is not even any consideration? I think hiding it is far more dangerous.

I am talking more about the respect on the board. Respect for Charles and how things usually go around here. This thread caught me out.

Moving on. and dropping it. I hope justanother is considering it all too, as we all should. We all have some issues to work on.

646 Drive By Commenter  Jun 16, 2015 10:23:20am

re: #638 blueraven

I have been using the hilarious Jeb! when speaking of Jeb Bush. I have decided, no more.

I will forever, in the future, refer to him as Jeb Bush. He has to own that name.

Bush The Elder. Bush The Junior. Bush The Should Know Better.

647 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 16, 2015 11:17:16am

For the record, since apparently men talking about how transgendered women should be treated with respect is just “mansplaining to the woman”, I am a female (born and gendered) and I believe that transgendered women (and in fact all trans folk) should be treated with respect. Their experience as women is going to be different than mine, but that doesn’t invalidate it. So they can’t bear children. So what? Bearing kids isn’t required for me to be a woman. We don’t claim that infertile women are not women.

This isn’t something people do on a lark, or because they want to for a weekend. It is something that people wrestle with a lot, because our culture has a lot of very defined views about how this should be and is very, very cruel to those who want to go against them to be true to themselves. Sometimes it takes people a long, long time of trying to fit what society thinks before they have the courage to embrace the change. I am not going to judge someone for that.

If nothing else, respecting their decision takes very little away from me and offers a huge amount of support to them. Even if you don’t necessarily agree, how do you justify calling it child abuse? Child abuse is what was done to Leelah, failing to get her the support she needed. I think everyone involved in this discussion would think her parents did wrong to go for conversion therapy if she was gay. Even simple things like refusing to use the correct pronouns for someone tell the people around you what your attitude is - and you never know who is struggling with that issue. I don’t believe in making someone’s life harder when it doesn’t impact me at all.

To our trans Lizards, I hope in particular that you know that I feel strongly about your right to the life that fits you and I will back you on that decision 100%. It’s not my decision or anyone else’s to make, and I believe you are all extraordinary people, to have the courage to embrace it.

648 wrenchwench  Jun 16, 2015 11:21:15am

re: #647 klys (maker of Silmarils)

So they can’t bear children. So what?

Even that is not necessarily true. I have seen abortion doctors work on their trans-inclusivity.

649 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 16, 2015 11:23:15am

re: #648 wrenchwench

Even that is not necessarily true. I have seen abortion doctors work on their trans-inclusivity.

Female to male or male to female? Just curious.

650 wrenchwench  Jun 16, 2015 11:24:46am

re: #649 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Female to male or male to female? Just curious.

The latter, from what I’ve seen. Could go either way, I suppose.

651 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 16, 2015 11:28:10am

re: #650 wrenchwench

The latter, from what I’ve seen. Could go either way, I suppose.

Then we can consider that phrase to be “can’t necessarily have children.”

652 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 16, 2015 11:53:25am

re: #645 ObserverArt

And I agree you don’t have to respect the opinion. I’m just old school on still respecting the person. It’s part of that thinking that I don’t have to like the message, but someone has the right to express it. Yes, there are lines that should not be crossed. And there are points to where the respect dies out because someone doesn’t want to learn and change.

She’s not respecting other persons. You called out the ‘fuck you’, but not the hateful stuff she said about trans people.

653 Jayleia  Jun 16, 2015 11:56:56am

re: #647 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Thank you, klys. You made my day much better.

654 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 16, 2015 11:59:53am

re: #653 Jayleia

Thank you, klys. You made my day much better.

I’m glad that my words, however small, helped. I only wrote the truth as I see it.

655 ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2015 2:39:53pm

re: #652 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)

She’s not respecting other persons. You called out the ‘fuck you’, but not the hateful stuff she said about trans people.

I would think from my comments you’d be able to gather that I don’t think calling her out or saying FU is going to work.

And that is what all my comments have been about in this thread.

And yes, I do believe people of a certain age get some respect even when they are wrong. Call me old fashioned. It was the way I was taught and it is what I believe.

I know some people have some problem with Pope Francis and some of his viewpoints that are not agreed to by all. Do you walk up to him and say “Hey Pope, fuck you on the Catholic churches stand on birth control.”

What about the good that might come from his thinking on climate science and equality in workers wages? Is he 100% worthy of the fuck you, or 20% and you hope even that changes?

Show me anyone that is 100% correct on all issues. I thought we are humans.

By the way, I agree with all of you on what transgender people go through.

I hope that JAH keeps thinking about it, and maybe it opens up her mind a little more. But that is a big change for her obviously and nothing that happened above is going to help that change.

I hope you understand my viewpoint.

656 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 16, 2015 2:53:30pm

re: #655 ObserverArt

I would think from my comments you’d be able to gather that I don’t think calling her out or saying FU is going to work.

Then why do you think calling Sergey out is going to work?

You’ll notice it didn’t.

And yes, I do believe people of a certain age get some respect even when they are wrong. Call me old fashioned. It was the way I was taught and it is what I believe.

What does age have to do with anything? I’m supposed to respect Limbaugh because he’s old?

I know some people have some problem with Pope Francis and some of his viewpoints that are not agreed to by all. Do you walk up to him and say “Hey Pope, fuck you on the Catholic churches stand on birth control.”

You must have missed me saying that I wasn’t on board with saying ‘fuck you’, but if I did meet the pope, I would tell him that the Catholic church was completley wrong on birth control and it was causing mass human misery and that the Catholic church should be ashamed of their illogical, unscientific stance on it.

What about the good that might come from his thinking on climate science and equality in workers wages? Is he 100% worthy of the fuck you, or 20% and you hope even that changes?

Again, you’re pretending I said ‘fuck you’. Why? Why not deal with what I actually said?

Show me anyone that is 100% correct on all issues. I thought we are humans.

Nobody is asking for 100% correctness.

I hope that JAH keeps thinking about it, and maybe it opens up her mind a little more. But that is a big change for her obviously and nothing that happened above is going to help that change.

She isn’t thinking about it.

I hope you understand my viewpoint.

I think it’s naive, wrong, and coddles bigots, gaining us nothing. I think it is the viewpoint of the ‘liberal moderate’ that MLK talked about, who inhibit progress out of politeness and not wanting to make waves. You would rather call out Sergey for saying ‘fuck you’ than call out her for her bigotry. Bigotry is worse, and more impolite, than ‘fuck you’.

It’s funny, during the time period this conversation between you and I was taking place, my father made a lame joke about Jenner “or whatever he or she calls herself or himself these days”. I said “She, and herself.” My dad makes these unfortunate little jabs, and I call him out on them, and at other times I tell him that they make me embarrassed on his behalf and that in twenty years he’ll be viewed in the same way that the people who opposed black marriage will. He’s never said anything as hateful and weird as Justanoterhhuman did in this thread, but I have confronted him and called him out on his stance on gay rights and other stuff, and he has moderated over the years.

How do you expect views to change if they’re not challenged? The only argument you have is a tone argument, that somehow if the right conciliatory tone is struck, that will work. You have no reason to believe that.

657 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 16, 2015 3:00:25pm

re: #655 ObserverArt

I suspect, although I can’t say for sure because I am not one of them, that our trans Lizards found what she said in the thread today to be even more hurtful than someone saying “fuck you.”

She equated parents supporting their children - support I suspect most trans folk don’t see, but would give anything to have - with child abuse. She completely dismissed their lives, their decisions, as invalid. And this isn’t the first time the conversation has happened along these lines, and people have tried to educate.

There are times I disagree with her opinion but I don’t say anything because in the grand scheme of things, it’s not a big deal. There’s times where it’s important to speak up. This is one of them. Being a bigot should be uncomfortable.

658 originalben  Jun 16, 2015 3:42:22pm

re: #575 De Kolta Chair

What an odd thing to reply to as my first post ever…lurker for several years…beer is my thing…and politics.
I brew myself and vote blue.;^)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo is one of the top 5 beers -by at least a single source, I guess;^) -in the country and what is in front of me right now- great stuff.
If you’re not a hops lover, it’s easy to discount what American craft brewers have been crankin’ out for the last decade or 3, but they are starting to be all kinds of other styles that American craft guys are really killin- including the old German faves- Victory’s Pils is a fantastic pilsner, as a single example.
Anyway- hello, everyone. Thanks for being the single best site for all many of info for the past several years. Prost.

659 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 16, 2015 3:43:09pm

re: #658 originalben

Welcome hatchling. :) Come upstairs, as they say, and join the fun!

660 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 16, 2015 3:53:37pm

re: #658 originalben

Try the Anchor IPA.


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