White Supremacist Suspect in Charleston Church Massacre Captured

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A photo of Dylann Storm Roof wearing a jacket with the flags of apartheid-era South Africa, and white-ruled Rhodesia (now called Zimbabwe)

The suspect in last night’s horrific mass murder at the historic Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina, has been arrested 200 miles away in North Carolina.

And the suspect, Dylann Storm Roof, is a white supremacist who had a license plate labeled “Confederate States of America.” From his Facebook page:

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580 comments

1 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 10:19:14am

TCOT has received their talking points for this atrocity
HURR HURR GUN FREE ZONES!!! WE NEED MOAR GUNZ!!!!!!

2 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 10:19:26am

And as we speak, wingnuts are spinning like centrifuges to make this about anything but race, but the popular target seems to be the parents, in light of reports that he received a gun as a birthday gift from them.

3 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 10:21:14am

The excuses so far:

1. He isn’t white/he’s Muslim (before better photos emerged).
2. He’s a druggie.
3. He targeted Christians, not blacks.

4 Dr Lizardo  Jun 18, 2015 10:21:26am

re: #2 Targetpractice

And as we speak, wingnuts are spinning like centrifuges to make this about anything but race, but the popular target seems to be the parents, in light of reports that he received a gun as a birthday gift from them.

They’re spinning so fast we could power the entire Eastern Seaboard for a decade if we could but harness that energy.

5 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 18, 2015 10:22:35am

Re posting this here…Dreher is letting a human biodiversity nut comment on the Charleston shooting (all comments are pre-approved by Rod)

Selvar says:

June 18, 2015 at 12:26 pm

I consider myself a believer in HBD and,to be perfectly frank, have a pretty low opinion of black people, collectively speaking. However, events like this give me pause, and make me question whether or not HBD, neoreaction and “race realism” going mainstream would be, on balance, a beneficial development in a multi-racial society. I think there are many whites, especially low IQ and impulsive whites who do not grasp the finer points of statistical analysis, who would use the findings of HBD to justify devaluing innocent non white, especially black, life.

To acknowledge inherent, aggregate racial variances in average intelligence and criminality is generally harmless when done within an academic and intellectual context where such issues are well understood, and the data less prone to misinterpretation.

However, when such knowledge finally makes the leap from the ivory tower (or the obscure blogosphere) to the popular culture, and is filtered through the lens of ignorance and misinterpretation the popular culture imposes upon all such knowledge, I fear that the end result will not be an increase in the number of Jared Taylors, Steve Sailers, or even David Dukes, but rather, an increase in the number of whites who believe that “You rape our women and you are taking over our country. And you have to go.”

theamericanconservative.com

Dreher has been keeping company with Steve Sailer (our host can fill in the details on that particular piece of polished copralite) and this is what he chooses to let stand on his blog after he asks for prayer for the victims.

6 Amory Blaine  Jun 18, 2015 10:23:44am

It allows the wingnut to share in the outrage while still holding fast to their racist qualities.

7 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 10:24:15am

re: #3 Nyet

The excuses so far:

1. He isn’t white/he’s Muslim (before better photos emerged).
2. He’s a druggie.
3. He targeted Christians, not blacks.

What does “druggie” even mean? People who choose safer alternatives to alcohol, or people with problems with dangerous drugs like alcohol, tobacco, and opiates?

8 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 18, 2015 10:24:41am

re: #6 Amory Blaine

It allows the wingnut to share in the outrage while still holding fast to their racist qualities.

DING DING DING!

We have winner, folks! Step right up and claim your prize…

9 weave  Jun 18, 2015 10:25:19am

Going to say this again…. he probably would not have been caught so fast, if at all, if it wasn’t for the decent security cameras mounted in that church. I work in a predominantly Black church and am having this conversation with them currently. The cams we happen to have our cheap low-res garbage.

True, those cams wouldn’t have stopped this — but there’s probably one or more churches out there that will not suffer the same fate because he was apprehended so quickly.

10 Amory Blaine  Jun 18, 2015 10:25:35am

re: #8 Aunty Entity Dragon

Yay me! :)

11 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 10:26:35am

re: #1 The Vicious Babushka

TCOT has received their talking points for this atrocity
HURR HURR GUN FREE ZONES!!! WE NEED MOAR GUNZ!!!!!!

Of course, this is the same crowd who argued that Tamir Rice’s death was due to having something that looked like a gun. And frequently term the death of a black man or teen as “good” if they so much as reached towards their waist band. Hell, I had wingnuts who were absolutely convinced that the one kid that cop in McKinney pulled a gun on was reaching for a gun himself.

12 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 10:26:48am

re: #3 Nyet

The excuses so far:

1. He isn’t white/he’s Muslim (before better photos emerged).
2. He’s a druggie.
3. He targeted Christians, not blacks.

He targeted Christians at an AFRICAN Methodist Church. And one whose pastor had been in the news following the Walter Scott shooting. The druggie angle is lame too. But i get it, anything to ignore guns.

13 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 10:27:35am

re: #9 weave

Going to say this again…. he probably would not have been caught so fast, if at all, if it wasn’t for the decent security cameras mounted in that church. I work in a predominantly Black church and am having this conversation with them currently. The cams we happen to have our cheap low-res garbage.

True, those cams wouldn’t have stopped this — but there’s probably one or more churches out there that will not suffer the same fate because he was apprehended so quickly.

Without the cameras, it would have been treated as a mystery, with speculation about “gang activity.”

14 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 10:27:36am

Freep, after hundreds of comments saying he doesn’t look white, he’s an Arab, etc., like:

That boy is colored. Race question aside, this is why I take my Bible and Colt to church.
50 posted on 6/18/2015, 1:32:20 PM by Lion Den Dan

Suddenly:

To: Yaelle
Look, this guy is white. We may not like it but he is white.
I don’t think anyone here had any trouble believing he could be white.

[blah blah blah Ayers blah]

15 Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2015 10:27:48am

Stand back, he’s suing everybody!

dailycaller.com

Charles C. Johnson called. He remarked, “We’re filing within the hour. We’re suing the Gawker employees individually as well as Gawker Media. J.K. Trotter, Greg Howard, Erin Gloria Ryan, and Adam Weinstein. Those are the ones we are for sure suing. That list may expand. We’re planning got sue @LittleGreenFootballs and Politico. I wish that it hadn’t come to this, but unfortunately these people have removed my right to defend myself on Twitter, so now I have to use the court to defend my reputation. On the whole, it’s nice to team up with Hulk Hogan and his people should call my people. I confess to walking around the house going watchagonnado brother? It’s going to be a lot of fun. We’re suing them first in Missouri and then in Fresno. I think it will change a lot of the calculation for the whole media once we start suing the reporters individually. …If I can be the straw that breaks Gawker’s back, I’m quite pleased.”

16 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 10:28:00am

re: #12 HappyWarrior

He targeted Christians at an AFRICAN Methodist Church. And one whose pastor had been in the news following the Walter Scott shooting. The druggie angle is lame too. But i get it, anything to ignore guns.

Anything to ignore race.

17 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 10:28:00am

re: #9 weave

Going to say this again…. he probably would not have been caught so fast, if at all, if it wasn’t for the decent security cameras mounted in that church. I work in a predominantly Black church and am having this conversation with them currently. The cams we happen to have our cheap low-res garbage.

True, those cams wouldn’t have stopped this — but there’s probably one or more churches out there that will not suffer the same fate because he was apprehended so quickly.

If you need donations for those cameras, set up a fundraiser and post it here. I’ll kick in a little on pay day. We all need to work to help make vulnerable people safer wherever we can.

18 Amory Blaine  Jun 18, 2015 10:28:15am

re: #14 Nyet

Clingers.

19 Patricia Kayden  Jun 18, 2015 10:28:17am

re: #3 Nyet

The excuses so far:

1. He isn’t white/he’s Muslim (before better photos emerged).
2. He’s a druggie.
3. He targeted Christians, not blacks.

4. He’s mentally ill (even seeing Liberals going with that one)

20 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 10:28:46am

re: #13 Targetpractice

Without the cameras, it would have been treated as a mystery, with speculation about “gang activity.”

Every single wingnut would have called it black on black crime.

21 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 10:29:49am

re: #20 No Country For Old Haters

Every single wingnut would have called it black on black crime.

Or suggested it was a Muslim terrorist who had shot up a bunch of Christians on orders from ISIS.

22 makeitstop  Jun 18, 2015 10:29:55am

re: #15 Charles Johnson

Stand back, he’s suing everybody!

dailycaller.com

Whistling past his own graveyard.

Maybe he’s trying to see just how many times his suits will be tossed out.

23 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 10:29:57am

re: #16 Nyet

Anything to ignore race.

Yes.

24 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 10:30:24am

re: #19 Patricia Kayden

4. He’s mentally ill (even seeing Liberals going with that one)

Outside of a declared war, I don’t think you can gun down a bunch of people without being mentally ill. He went beyond that and prayed with them for an hour first. I’m not religious, but even to me, that’s totally insane.

25 Amory Blaine  Jun 18, 2015 10:30:36am

re: #15 Charles Johnson

Totes fer sure.

26 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 10:31:47am

re: #15 Charles Johnson

Stand back, he’s suing everybody!

dailycaller.com

That is the picture of a man who has lost all touch with reality.

27 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 10:32:08am

re: #24 No Country For Old Haters

Outside of a declared war, I don’t think you can gun down a bunch of people without being mentally ill. He went beyond that and prayed with them for an hour first. I’m not religious, but even to me, that’s totally insane.

I know what you mean but at the same time, I think using mental illness sort of distracts from the reality that some of a sound mental mind could plan something like this. I understand why people do that- no one wants to believe that a person of a sound mind is capable of such evil.

28 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 10:32:10am

re: #24 No Country For Old Haters

Outside of a declared war, I don’t think you can gun down a bunch of people without being mentally ill. He went beyond that and prayed with them for an hour first. I’m not religious, but even to me, that’s totally insane.

Extremist ideologies will do that. One could argue it’s a form of a mental illness, of course…

He may be mentally ill, but this is often said to deny he’s a white supremacist terrorist. And yet those are not incompatible.

29 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 10:32:25am

re: #15 Charles Johnson

Stand back, he’s suing everybody!

dailycaller.com

You get sued
Everyone gets sued!

30 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 18, 2015 10:32:56am
31 jaunte  Jun 18, 2015 10:33:06am

This terrorism is enabled by everyone who “celebrates their Confederate heritage.”

32 Dr. Matt  Jun 18, 2015 10:33:10am

The postandcourier.com has IDed 6 of the victims and have a pic of Roof’s home.

33 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 10:33:59am

Hate crimes affect a much wider circle of people than normal crimes. Something “legal libertarians” refuse to see.

34 Lidane  Jun 18, 2015 10:34:04am

re: #3 Nyet

The excuses so far:

1. He isn’t white/he’s Muslim (before better photos emerged).
2. He’s a druggie.
3. He targeted Christians, not blacks.

I’m also seeing the ZOMG MENTAL ILLNESS line being trotted out by the RWNJs.

“No sane person does this!” And yet, he was sane. Dude had enough sanity to stitch apartheid-era flags onto his jacket and get a CSA plate. He was known in high school for “expressing strong Southern pride” and for making racist jokes which apparently no one around him took seriously.

I bet they’re not laughing now.

35 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 18, 2015 10:34:08am

re: #15 Charles Johnson

Stand back, he’s suing everybody!

dailycaller.com

A boy named SUE!

36 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 10:34:32am

re: #15 Charles Johnson

Stand back, he’s suing everybody!

dailycaller.com

37 weave  Jun 18, 2015 10:34:34am

re: #17 No Country For Old Haters

If you need donations for those cameras, set up a fundraiser and post it here. I’ll kick in a little on pay day. We all need to work to help make vulnerable people safer wherever we can.

That’s greatly appreciated, but I would suggest contacting a local church and offering to donate directly, or even help with expertise to get them installed if you have it. Then you can see that your donation made a difference.

Color me cynical but too often crowd-funded donation drives on the Internet to strangers you don’t know are mismanaged or even fraudulent. Even still, I can’t begin to tell you how grateful I am for your show of generosity and concern. Thank you! :)

38 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 18, 2015 10:35:06am

re: #15 Charles Johnson

Stand back, he’s suing everybody!

dailycaller.com

Whatcha gonna do when Chuckymania runs wild on you?!

39 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 10:35:30am

re: #30 Aunty Entity Dragon

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40 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 10:36:02am

re: #34 Lidane

I’m also seeing the ZOMG MENTAL ILLNESS line being trotted out by the RWNJs.

“No sane person does this!” And yet, he was sane. Dude had enough sanity to stitch apartheid-era flags onto his jacket and get a CSA plate. He was known in high school for “expressing strong Southern pride” and for making racist jokes which apparently no one around him took seriously.

I bet they’re not laughing now.

Oh this is the first I’ve heard of expressing “Southern pride.” I thought with the South Africa and Zimbabwe flag patches he’d have connections to South Africa. Definitely someone who’s done his homework.

41 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2015 10:36:11am

re: #15 Charles Johnson

I confess to walking around the house going watchagonnado brother?

LOL! I can even picture what he looks like while doing that.

42 wrenchwench  Jun 18, 2015 10:36:18am

re: #24 No Country For Old Haters

Outside of a declared war, I don’t think you can gun down a bunch of people without being mentally ill. He went beyond that and prayed with them for an hour first. I’m not religious, but even to me, that’s totally insane.

Well-thought out racism is very stupid, but not necessarily insane. Of course we consider anyone with such obvious disregard for human life as insane, but without dismissing his thought system and beliefs.

43 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 18, 2015 10:36:59am

I’ve been trying to see if there is any connection between Roof and CCJ. So far nothing.

44 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 10:37:07am

STOPPED CLOCK

45 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 10:37:45am

re: #39 No Country For Old Haters

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No, not at all violent crimes are hate crimes. Does crime of passion mean nothing to them? Crime for profit? What conservatives don’t want to admit is they’re the reason why hate crimes legislation exists in the first place. We wouldn’t have hate crimes laws if conservative Southern juries didn’t acquit or deadlock on white defendants who killed black people or juries that buy absurd crap like the twinkie defense.

46 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 10:38:03am

re: #42 wrenchwench

Well-thought out racism is very stupid, but not necessarily insane. Of course we consider anyone with such obvious disregard for human life as insane, but without dismissing his thought system and beliefs.

Exactly WW, well said.

47 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 10:38:07am

re: #42 wrenchwench

Well-thought out racism is very stupid, but not necessarily insane. Of course we consider anyone with such obvious disregard for human life as insane, but without dismissing his thought system and beliefs.

I think there’s more than one kind of insanity. Building and acting on a hate-based delusional worldview is one of them, and being so far gone you don’t know what day it is is another kind. He’s obviously the former.

48 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 10:38:21am

Now Dana is using bullshit fake statistics

49 Skip Intro  Jun 18, 2015 10:39:01am

Obviously what’s needed are 24/7 machine gun encampments in all churches, schools, malls, parks, grocery stores, homes, apartment buildings, office buildings, beaches, highways, national parks, etc. because the one thing we can’t even talk about is that little part of the 2nd Amendment that starts with “a well trained militia”.

The NRA’s ideal America.
50 makeitstop  Jun 18, 2015 10:39:11am

re: #28 Nyet

Extremist ideologies will do that. One could argue it’s a form of a mental illness, of course…

He may be mentally ill, but this is often said to deny he’s a white supremacist terrorist. And yet those are not incompatible.

He did have the presence of mind to get out of Dodge and try to evade arrest, though. Just saying.

51 jaunte  Jun 18, 2015 10:39:20am

re: #44 The Vicious Babushka

If you’re a parent who gives your racist, Dumb and Dumber haircut, druggie criminal son a gun for his birthday, you’re part of the problem.

Deliberately ignoring the white supremacist part.

52 Sionainn  Jun 18, 2015 10:39:38am

re: #15 Charles Johnson

Stand back, he’s suing everybody!

dailycaller.com

I’ll bet you’re shaking in your shoes, Charles. LOL.

53 Lidane  Jun 18, 2015 10:40:02am

re: #40 HappyWarrior

Oh this is the first I’ve heard of expressing “Southern pride.” I thought with the South Africa and Zimbabwe flag patches he’d have connections to South Africa. Definitely someone who’s done his homework.

Everything Known About Charleston Shooting Suspect Dylann Roof

White Knoll High School had a mix of black and white students. Mullins says they occasionally mixed, and the school had “a lot of preps, a little bit of gang members, and a lot of outcasts.” But Roof wasn’t one of the outcasts, Mullins said.

Yet Roof did have a reputation for spouting racist messages.

“I never heard him say anything, but just he had that kind of Southern pride, I guess some would say. Strong conservative beliefs,” he said. “He made a lot of racist jokes, but you don’t really take them seriously like that. You don’t really think of it like that.

But now, “the things he said were kind of not joking,” Mullins added.

54 Mike Lamb  Jun 18, 2015 10:40:11am

re: #14 Nyet

Freep, after hundreds of comments saying he doesn’t look white, he’s an Arab, etc., like:

Suddenly:

Why is the shooter’s ethnicity something to like/not like? Who thinks like that?

55 Dr. Matt  Jun 18, 2015 10:40:16am

re: #15 Charles Johnson

Stand back, he’s suing everybody!

dailycaller.com

So, the dead broke CCJ is going to file 7 different lawsuits? OK, please proceed.

56 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 10:40:22am

re: #47 No Country For Old Haters

I think there’s more than one kind of insanity. Building and acting on a hate-based delusional worldview is one of them, and being so far gone you don’t know what day it is is another kind. He’s obviously the former.

And that’s what gets me when people pull the “mentally ill” card in cases like this. As if he was not in control of his actions and thus cannot be blamed for them. While a person so ate up with hate that they’re spewing it out their mouth may seem crazy, it’s distinctly different from someone who thinks the voices in his head want him to slather himself in butter.

57 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 10:40:22am

re: #51 jaunte

Deliberately ignoring the white supremacist part.

To be fair, she does use the “r” word

58 jaunte  Jun 18, 2015 10:40:43am

re: #57 The Vicious Babushka

I should have said “minimizing.”

59 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 10:40:55am

re: #48 The Vicious Babushka

I may be missing something, but vol. 30 is 2007.

60 Skip Intro  Jun 18, 2015 10:40:57am

re: #15 Charles Johnson

We’re planning got sue @LittleGreenFootballs

Hmm. Sound serious. Let’s go to the mattresses everybody.

61 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 10:41:09am

re: #55 Dr. Matt

So, the dead broke CCJ is going to file 7 different lawsuits? OK, please proceed.

Can’t he make it 8? I’ve made fun of him on Twitter, and feel left out.

62 Skip Intro  Jun 18, 2015 10:41:31am

re: #48 The Vicious Babushka

Now Dana is using bullshit fake statistics

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And they were black, so who gives a shit?

63 jaunte  Jun 18, 2015 10:41:50am

When “Dumb Haircut” steals focus from “racist” someone’s playing games.

64 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 18, 2015 10:41:52am
65 Mike Lamb  Jun 18, 2015 10:42:31am

re: #30 Aunty Entity Dragon

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Geez…these people…I’ll type this slowly: It’s not about prioritizing the victim. It’s about society determining that certain criminal motivations are worse than others and punishing accordingly. It’s literally no different that providing stiffer punishment for pre-meditated murder vs. manslaughter.

66 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 10:42:50am

re: #50 makeitstop

He did have the presence of mind to get out of Dodge and try to evade arrest, though. Just saying.

Mental illness is not the same as debilitation. It can lead to delusions without impairing all mental functions, for example. So I can’t exclude mental illness, but that’s neither here, nor there. The issues don’t go away.

67 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 18, 2015 10:42:50am

re: #48 The Vicious Babushka

She’s referencing data from NINE years ago????

68 Dr. Matt  Jun 18, 2015 10:42:57am
I wish that it hadn’t come to this, but unfortunately these people have removed my right to defend myself on Twitter

Since when does anyone have a “right” to use Twitter?

69 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 10:43:29am

re: #64 Aunty Entity Dragon

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70 Amory Blaine  Jun 18, 2015 10:43:29am

CCJ will do whatever it takes to keep from getting a job. Frivolous lawsuits are the domain of conmen.

71 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 10:43:43am

re: #67 Eclectic Cyborg

She’s referencing data from NINE years ago????

Who was President nine years ago?

72 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 10:44:15am

Well she’s sort of saying what some of us have been saying for years. Dana thinks it’s bad to give your “racist, dumb and dumber hair cut druggie” son a gun. Well Dana we think that gun shop owners should know who they’re selling guns to and when we say that, you call us gungrabbers.

73 wrenchwench  Jun 18, 2015 10:44:25am

Words matter.

Shut up, racists.

74 TedStriker  Jun 18, 2015 10:44:26am

re: #15 Charles Johnson

Stand back, he’s suing everybody!

dailycaller.com

I wish that it hadn’t come to this, but unfortunately these people have removed my right to defend myself on Twitter, so now I have to use the court to defend my reputation.

What an entitled little putz…

75 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 10:44:35am

Actually this is a very good article and the headline is misleading, it about a skinhead who met some Juice and changed his ways

76 jaunte  Jun 18, 2015 10:44:47am

Racists call for “taking our country back,” and mentally ill terrorists are first to act.

77 makeitstop  Jun 18, 2015 10:44:49am

re: #66 Nyet

Mental illness is not the same as debilitation. It can lead to delusions without impairing all mental functions, for example. So I can’t exclude mental illness, but that’s neither here, nor there. The issues don’t go away.

Agreed.

78 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 10:44:52am

re: #48 The Vicious Babushka

I suppose she means this article (I’m posting without having read it):

79 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 18, 2015 10:44:56am

re: #65 Mike Lamb

Geez…these people…I’ll type this slowly: It’s not about prioritizing the victim. It’s about society determining that certain criminal motivations are worse than others and punishing accordingly. It’s literally no different that providing stiffer punishment for pre-meditated murder vs. manslaughter.

They absolutely cannot admit that. The crime and victim become the same, and they will not have black victims given recognition…ergo the crime cannot be recogized.

80 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 10:45:00am

re: #70 Amory Blaine

CCJ will do whatever it takes to keep from getting a job. Frivolous lawsuits are the domain of conmen.

Considering that he’s made himself unemployable, unless he changes his name, moves out of the country, and dyes his hair to establish a new identity, what other choice does he have.

81 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 10:46:03am

re: #80 No Country For Old Haters

Considering that he’s made himself unemployable, unless he changes his name, moves out of the country, and dyes his hair to establish a new identity, what other choice does he have.

He could go all Rachel Dolezal and become a Black man

82 Dr. Matt  Jun 18, 2015 10:46:20am

UPDATE 2 from dailycaller.com: “J.K. Trotter did not reply in words to my request for comment. But he did offer this link, which is a countdown of how long it has been since Johnson has threatened to sue someone.”

83 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 10:47:22am

The other thing about the “mental illness” card is that it works to portray mental illness as a stigma and those who suffer from it as ticking time bombs rather than people in need of help. Whenever I hear a wingnut play that card, they almost certainly think the answer is just to start locking “crazy people” up again. That the issue is not the ease with which a mentally ill person can acquire a gun, but that the government isn’t protecting “responsible gun owners” from all the mentally ill people running around.

84 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 10:47:34am

re: #77 makeitstop

The racist ideas themselves are not his own invention, that’s the whole point. All those Rhodesian flags, neo-Confederate hate rags, racist jokes - all this comes from a specific milieu. If this pushed an allegedly mentally ill person (and, to repeat, we have no idea about it - at this point it’s just an excuse), this begs the question about the responsibility of these people around him.

85 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 10:48:55am

re: #83 Targetpractice

The other thing about the “mental illness” card is that it works to portray mental illness as a stigma and those who suffer from it as ticking time bombs rather than people in need of help. Whenever I hear a wingnut play that card, they almost certainly think the answer is just to start locking “crazy people” up again. That the issue is not the ease with which a mentally ill person can acquire a gun, but that the government isn’t protecting “responsible gun owners” from all the mentally ill people running around.

I agree, that’s why I don’t like the mental illness card.

86 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 10:49:03am
87 wrenchwench  Jun 18, 2015 10:49:32am
88 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 10:49:43am

re: #84 Nyet

The racist ideas themselves are not his own invention, that’s the whole point. All those Rhodesian flags, neo-Confederate hate rags, racist jokes - all this comes from a specific milieu. If this pushed an allegedly mentally ill person (and, to repeat, we have no idea about it - at this point it’s just an excuse), this begs the question about the responsibility of these people around him.

I assume the people around him are totally irresponsible, and possibly as racist and hate-fueled as the shooter is. I sure wouldn’t hand someone that crazy a gun.

89 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 10:49:53am

I guess I was wrong about him having connections to South Africa. I have heard nothing about that. My bet now is he’s definitely well versed in racism and racist ideology. Be real interesting to see if they find what he was saying around the time of Mandela’s passing.

90 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 10:50:11am
91 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 10:50:14am

re: #87 wrenchwench

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92 Lidane  Jun 18, 2015 10:50:19am
93 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 10:50:39am

re: #90 The Vicious Babushka

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What is this, good cop/bad cop time? Dana sounds like he voice of reason while Chris goes off on a tear?

94 Patricia Kayden  Jun 18, 2015 10:51:08am

re: #5 Aunty Entity Dragon

Thanks for that post. I’ve always thought that Dreher was a sensible conservative and usually enjoy his posts. Sad to learn that he supports and fraternizes with racists. Well, what should I expect from a Rightwinger? Sigh.

95 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 10:51:08am

re: #90 The Vicious Babushka

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Background checks on gun owners isn’t restricting your rights Chris. It’s making sure arms don’t get in the arms of someone who will take your natural right to live.

96 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 10:51:14am

HURR HURR HE COULD OF MURDERED THOSE PEOPLE WITH HIS HANDS & FEET, OR A SWIMMING POOL OR A BIG MAC!!!!!!

97 Skip Intro  Jun 18, 2015 10:51:27am

re: #44 The Vicious Babushka

STOPPED CLOCK

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But Second Amendment doesn’t say anything about prohibiting “racist, Dumb and Dumber haircut, druggie criminal son a gun for his birthday” from owning as many guns as his evil little mind desires. Just ask the NRA.

98 TedStriker  Jun 18, 2015 10:51:41am

re: #93 Targetpractice

What is this, good cop/bad cop time? Dana sounds like he voice of reason while Chris goes off on a tear?

No, it’s “bad cop, worse cop”.

/Tango & Cash

99 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 10:51:45am

re: #92 Lidane

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I bet none of those twits actually own or know anything about guns but they just echo the pro-gun bullshit since that’s what Rupert and Roger ordered.

100 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 10:51:46am

re: #93 Targetpractice

What is this, good cop/bad cop time? Dana sounds like he voice of reason while Chris goes off on a tear?

He has to defend the family’s reputation with the wingnuts they grift. Dana could fuck that all up by being reasonable about keeping guns from crazies.

101 Khal Wimpo  Jun 18, 2015 10:52:04am

re: #15 Charles Johnson

Stand back, he’s suing everybody!

dailycaller.com

You do have decent E&O insurance to handle the MSJ (Motion for Summary Judgment), right? This little fink might just have found a lawyer as dumb as he is that will keep gnawing away & racking up bills. And a countersuit against someone who assets basically fall into the “indigent” category may not be enough of a deterrent. Certainly not when obsessive-compulsive behavior and personality disorder are behind a suit.

102 wrenchwench  Jun 18, 2015 10:52:21am
103 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 10:52:23am

re: #95 HappyWarrior

Background checks on gun owners isn’t restricting your rights Chris. It’s making sure arms don’t get in the arms of someone who will take your natural right to live.

Yeah, but you’re using common sense. To “responsible gun owners,” background checks are just the first step down the slippery slope to confiscation and Diane Feinstein showing up at your door with BATF stormtroopers to grab up all your guns.

104 Patricia Kayden  Jun 18, 2015 10:53:01am

re: #84 Nyet

The racist ideas themselves are not his own invention, that’s the whole point. All those Rhodesian flags, neo-Confederate hate rags, racist jokes - all this comes from a specific milieu. If this pushed an allegedly mentally ill person (and, to repeat, we have no idea about it - at this point it’s just an excuse), this begs the question about the responsibility of these people around him.

The Shooter is responsible for his own actions. There is no collective responsibility. Now there can be an argument that he used racist arguments to motivate his heinous actions but that’s about as far as that goes. The people who influenced his actions won’t be going to jail with him. And he doesn’t have to be mentally ill to be evil.

105 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 10:53:06am

re: #102 wrenchwench

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No kidding Elon.

106 jaunte  Jun 18, 2015 10:53:13am

re: #90 The Vicious Babushka

Good grief, for these people EVERYTHING is about someone grabbing their guns.

107 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 10:53:40am

re: #103 Targetpractice

Yeah, but you’re using common sense. To “responsible gun owners,” background checks are just the first step down the slippery slope to confiscation and Diane Feinstein showing up at your door with BATF stormtroopers to grab up all your guns.

Once a subculture has succumbed to contagious paranoia, it’s very hard to reel them back into reality. The same thing happened to the nerds at Slashdot.

108 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 10:53:49am

re: #103 Targetpractice

Yeah, but you’re using common sense. To “responsible gun owners,” background checks are just the first step down the slippery slope to confiscation and Diane Feinstein showing up at your door with BATF stormtroopers to grab up all your guns.

They think anything that doesn’t mandate every child a bazooka is gun grabbing. *Rollin’ of the eyes*

109 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 10:54:47am

re: #108 HappyWarrior

They think anything that doesn’t mandate every child a bazooka is gun grabbing. *Rollin’ of the eyes*

A grenade launcher in every crib to defend against the tricksy Liberals who took our country.

110 #FergusonFireside  Jun 18, 2015 10:54:58am

re: #15 Charles Johnson

Stand back, he’s suing everybody!

dailycaller.com

In Missouri, which means he’s using that idjit as his atty.

111 Skip Intro  Jun 18, 2015 10:54:59am

I’m sure within the next few years the gunhumpers are going to start demanding their 2nd Amendment rights to carry on airplanes.

Just wait and watch.

112 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 10:55:02am

I mean Obama hasn’t even called for prohibiting any guns. If Chris follows the law and doesn’t exhibit violent tendencies, he’s not going to lose his right to own an arm and despite what he believes, President Obama thinks the same way but he has to make him and the other gun fucks the victims here.

113 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 10:55:26am

re: #111 Skip Intro

I’m sure within the next few years the gunhumpers are going to start demanding their 2nd Amendment rights to carry on airplanes.

Just wait and watch.

I think they already have done that.

114 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 10:55:28am

re: #110 #FergusonFireside

In Missouri, which means he’s using that idjit as his atty.

He’s representing himself?

115 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 10:55:50am

There is a Dylann Storm Roof “parody” account posting to tcot.

I blocked it.

116 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 18, 2015 10:56:20am

re: #106 jaunte

Good grief, for these people EVERYTHING is about someone grabbing their guns.

That is the chosen distraction from admitting this was a racially motivated cold-blooded and premeditated terrorist act carried out in the US by a white non-Muslim man against Christians doing Bible study in a church.

It points a very clear finger at the poison being poured into our society, and they do not want to face up to where this bile is coming from and the damage the constant fear-mongering is causing.

117 blueraven  Jun 18, 2015 10:56:26am

re: #3 Nyet

The excuses so far:

1. He isn’t white/he’s Muslim (before better photos emerged).
2. He’s a druggie.
3. He targeted Christians, not blacks.

How about this…it is really all a photoshop!

I can’t even.

118 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 10:56:29am

re: #104 Patricia Kayden

The Shooter is responsible for his own actions. There is no collective responsibility. Now there can be an argument that he used racist arguments to motivate his heinous actions but that’s about as far as that goes. The people who influenced his actions won’t be going to jail with him. And he doesn’t have to be mentally ill to be evil.

People who are pushing hateful ideas are responsible - if not legally, then morally.

119 A Cranky One  Jun 18, 2015 10:56:45am

re: #15 Charles Johnson

Stand back, he’s suing everybody!

dailycaller.com

If he’s filing in Missouri first that probably means his attorney friend that sent Twitter the letter is his lawyer. This could get amusing.

I am especially amused that he claims to be suing so many people at once. Doesn’t he understand that by doing so he is just adding more attorneys to the opposition side? And increasing the time/cost of discovery? Not to mention what a half dozen attorneys will put him through during the discovery process?

What a moran.

120 makeitstop  Jun 18, 2015 10:57:06am

re: #84 Nyet

The racist ideas themselves are not his own invention, that’s the whole point. All those Rhodesian flags, neo-Confederate hate rags, racist jokes - all this comes from a specific milieu. If this pushed an allegedly mentally ill person (and, to repeat, we have no idea about it - at this point it’s just an excuse), this begs the question about the responsibility of these people around him.

The flags are of particular interest. Was it a case of a school kid reading up on a subject and immersing himself and becoming obsessed? A familial thing? We’ll need to wait and see on that, I guess.

But the statement in the church about blacks taking over the country - straight out of the RWNJ Big Book of Blame. No shortage os sources for that kind of hate.

Also, South Carolina. A place where people don’t ‘take racism seriously.’

I might have to just jump off the internet today. I think I’m too wrapped up in this story for my own good at this point.

121 jaunte  Jun 18, 2015 10:57:12am

re: #117 blueraven

Heatmaps?

122 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 10:57:24am

re: #117 blueraven

The Return of the Bride of the Heat Map.

123 Skip Intro  Jun 18, 2015 10:57:30am

re: #87 wrenchwench

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That’s why you don’t vote Republican.

124 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 18, 2015 10:57:33am

re: #92 Lidane

‘Opportunistic’: Fox Hosts Hit Obama for Being Quick to Invoke Guns on Charleston

Because those people could just as easily have been killed with a salami.

125 Amory Blaine  Jun 18, 2015 10:57:53am

A well regulated militia doesn’t mean sleeping in the back of a concealed carry class.

126 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 10:58:13am

re: #124 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Because those people could just as easily have been killed with a salami.

Hey that salami is dangerous.//

127 Mike Lamb  Jun 18, 2015 10:58:15am

re: #110 #FergusonFireside

In Missouri, which means he’s using that idjit as his atty.

It also means he can avoid California’s Anti-SLAPP laws.

128 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 10:58:16am

re: #117 blueraven

How about this…it is really all a photoshop!

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I can’t even.

HEAT LAYERS!!!!!!!

129 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 10:58:44am
130 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 10:59:19am

re: #129 The Vicious Babushka

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Oh man she’s going to freak at that but yes I definitely do think that makes you look mental.

131 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 10:59:20am

re: #117 blueraven

That idiot misses the forest for the trees. If it was a photoshop (which it wasn’t), it was his photoshop.

132 weave  Jun 18, 2015 11:00:22am

re: #117 blueraven

How about this…it is really all a photoshop!

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I can’t even.

So explain to me again how a photo posted to Facebook on May 21st AND IS STILL THERE was photoshopped?

133 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 11:00:46am

If it was a Photoshop it should be easy to pull up the “real” photo with Tineye.

134 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 11:01:03am

re: #129 The Vicious Babushka

135 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 11:01:37am

re: #131 Nyet

That idiot misses the forest for the trees. If it was a photoshop (which it wasn’t), it was his photoshop.

Yeah. He obviously has an affinity for Rhodesia and Apartheid era South Africa. Now what I am curious about given that he is young is how he knows about this. That’s why I thought at first his folks may have been immigrants or something like that.

136 S'latch  Jun 18, 2015 11:01:37am

What a sick young man. I hope he goes to prison for a very long time.

137 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 11:01:58am

re: #133 The Vicious Babushka

The photo is from his facebook.

If it were a photoshop, it would be as meaningful as the real thing.

138 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 11:02:01am
139 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 11:02:15am

re: #134 No Country For Old Haters

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I’ve always thought so too. I don’t think it makes them look tough at all. Quite the opposite actually, I think it shows insecurity.

140 makeitstop  Jun 18, 2015 11:02:37am

re: #117 blueraven

How about this…it is really all a photoshop!

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I can’t even.

That pic was from the kid’s Facebook page, so if it was ‘Shopped he did it himself.

141 TedStriker  Jun 18, 2015 11:03:48am

re: #140 makeitstop

That pic was from the kid’s Facebook page, so if it was ‘Shopped he did it himself.

Someone might want to get a full screen of it, before FB nukes it.

142 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 11:03:49am

re: #138 The Vicious Babushka

143 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 11:04:01am
144 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 11:04:04am

re: #138 The Vicious Babushka

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They did execute or enslave captured Black union soldiers. The idea that the forces of the CSA acted honorably is crap. Yes, there was honor between the white forces by and large but if you were a black man wearing an Army of the Potomac uniform and got captured, you would either be executed or returned to slavery and even “anti-slavery” Robert E. Lee took part in that latter.

145 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 11:04:53am

Bryan, if Jesus is resurrected right now he’s coming to kick your ass.

146 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2015 11:05:08am

re: #117 blueraven

How about this…it is really all a photoshop!

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I can’t even.

Is she related to UpChuck’s cat lady pixel expert?

147 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 11:05:13am

re: #142 No Country For Old Haters

- Nyah nyah nyah, your dad is stupider than my dog!
- SHUT UP! MY DAD IS SMARTER THAN YOUR DOG!

148 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 11:05:15am

re: #143 Nyet

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That idiot claims to be a liberal centrist who hates feminists.

149 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 11:05:21am

re: #143 Nyet

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OFFS. Just stop it cons, please. Yes crime in our major cities is a serious problem but this was a murder of 9 people simply because of their race.

150 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 11:07:00am

re: #148 No Country For Old Haters

He’s from UK, and “liberal centrist” might have another meaning there.

151 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 18, 2015 11:07:04am

re: #94 Patricia Kayden

Thanks for that post. I’ve always thought that Dreher was a sensible conservative and usually enjoy his posts. Sad to learn that he supports and fraternizes with racists. Well, what should I expect from a Rightwinger? Sigh.

Dreher has been citing Steve Sailer and Gates of Vienna for the last 2 or 3 years.

Bad, bad stuff. Sailer in particular is a “race realist” who wrote for white supremacist site VDARE.

152 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 18, 2015 11:07:12am

No serious forensics site would use “Foto” in its name.

/

153 makeitstop  Jun 18, 2015 11:07:39am

re: #141 TedStriker

Someone might want to get a full screen of it, before FB nukes it.

They might have 86’d his page already. I was able to get to it this morning, but now there’s a Community page with Roof’s name in its place.

154 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 11:07:43am

re: #150 Nyet

He’s from UK, and “liberal centrist” might have another meaning there.

Thanks. I expect it does.

155 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 11:07:59am

re: #150 Nyet

He’s from UK, and “liberal centrist” might have another meaning there.

Yes liberal in the British lexicon is closer to what we call Libertarian here. Wouldn’t be surprised if he’s a UKIP guy,.

156 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 11:08:29am

re: #154 No Country For Old Haters

Thanks. I expect it does.

Which is why the famous Churchill quote is misunderstood.

157 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 11:08:38am

re: #154 No Country For Old Haters

Something like “neoliberal”.

158 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 18, 2015 11:08:58am

re: #156 HappyWarrior

Which is why the famous Churchill quote is misunderstood.

He is a jelly doughnut.

159 Khal Wimpo  Jun 18, 2015 11:09:17am

I keep waiting for someone, anyone, to follow up on the bleating of RWNJs for “a serious conversation about mental illness” by asking, “Great. So, this person was mentally ill because they said crazy racist stuff. Does that mean that we get to declare as mentally ill & lock up people who say crazy racist stuff? Or at least take their guns away?”

(crickets chirp)

“But … but … but… “

(crickets chirp. audience shifts uncomfortably in seats. some pull out smartphones, start deleting Facebook & Twitter profiles)

160 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 11:09:22am

re: #158 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

He is a jelly doughnut.

Well played, now I want a Berliner.

161 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 11:10:15am

WHAT IN THE FUCKING FUCK

162 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 11:10:18am

re: #156 HappyWarrior

Which is why the famous Churchill quote is misunderstood.

And is also a fake: winstonchurchill.org

163 Dr Lizardo  Jun 18, 2015 11:10:32am
164 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 11:10:58am

re: #161 The Vicious Babushka

WHAT IN THE FUCKING FUCK

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165 Kragar  Jun 18, 2015 11:11:00am

Waiting for RWNJs to spin this guy into a liberal democrat

166 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 18, 2015 11:11:18am

re: #153 makeitstop

They might have 86’d his page already. I was able to get to it this morning, but now there’s a Community page with Roof’s name in its place.

Fortunately I still had my browser open from earlier:

167 ObserverArt  Jun 18, 2015 11:12:09am

re: #15 Charles Johnson

Stand back, he’s suing everybody!

dailycaller.com

Got your quakin’ boots on?

By the way…if Wrenchwench and makeitstop are around, thanks for the comments in the last thread.

168 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 11:12:29am

re: #164 No Country For Old Haters

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Typical right wing bullshit.

169 makeitstop  Jun 18, 2015 11:12:45am

re: #166 Eclectic Cyborg

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I’m getting this one, which is pretty interesting:

facebook.com

170 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 18, 2015 11:13:11am

OT: Waiting to hear on a possible promotion at work. All good thoughts appreciated. Should know one way or another by tomorrow.

171 makeitstop  Jun 18, 2015 11:13:32am

re: #170 Eclectic Cyborg

OT: Waiting to hear on a possible promotion at work. All good thoughts appreciated. Should know one way or another by tomorrow.

Good luck!

172 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 11:13:39am

His page has indeed been deleted.

facebook.com

173 Great White Snark  Jun 18, 2015 11:13:40am

re: #163 Dr Lizardo

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Dude must have missed the Oklahoma city mass murder.

174 Amory Blaine  Jun 18, 2015 11:13:53am

You cannot erase crime in our cities by beating the poor and minorities into submission.

175 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 18, 2015 11:13:59am

re: #169 makeitstop

When I refreshed the page after taking the screen cap I got a “profile not available” error.

176 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 11:14:30am

re: #169 makeitstop

I’m getting this one, which is pretty interesting:

facebook.com

Some derp there about how Obama isn’t doing enough about ISIS and whining about him pointing out that this happens way too much in our country.

177 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 18, 2015 11:16:30am

re: #174 Amory Blaine

You cannot erase crime in our cities by beating the poor and minorities into submission.

It’s not about erasing crime, it’s about keeping people in their place.

178 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2015 11:16:55am
179 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 11:17:16am

New excuse: his parents will turn out to be liberals.

180 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 11:17:46am

re: #178 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And I expect a ton of derpage to go Lewis’s way and a bunch of white cons telling him that he should listen to MLK.

181 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 11:17:55am

Bryan Fischer is all HURR HURR MOAR GUNZ!!11!1!!

182 allegro  Jun 18, 2015 11:18:09am

re: #178 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Endlessly.

183 WhatEVs  Jun 18, 2015 11:18:21am

re: #169 makeitstop

I’m getting this one, which is pretty interesting:

facebook.com

The last post was from 50 minutes ago. Has to be a fake.

184 Kragar  Jun 18, 2015 11:18:44am
185 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 11:18:56am

re: #181 The Vicious Babushka

Bryan Fischer is all HURR HURR MOAR GUNZ!!11!1!!

I still think most of these gunfucks don’t even know much about guns but they know guns get the blood boiling in wingnut country. I bet I have more experience with firearms than Bryan does and I’ve shot only once.

186 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 11:19:32am

HERP-DE-DERP!!!!

187 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 11:19:49am

re: #184 Kragar

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You’ll never get to play Hamlet or Ophellia if Donald Trump Supporter is on your acting resume.

188 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 11:20:26am

re: #183 WhatEVs

The last post was from 50 minutes ago. Has to be a fake.

It’s not a fake, it’s a community.

189 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 11:20:49am

re: #186 The Vicious Babushka

HERP-DE-DERP!!!!

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Did we ever say that Ben? No, but what we have done is criticized the fact that the Confederate flag continues to fly in the state of South Carolina and that does enable racism whether your sorry ass wants to admit it or not.

190 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 11:21:08am

re: #186 The Vicious Babushka

Newest excuse: there’s nothing that could have been done.

191 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 11:21:12am

re: #188 Nyet

It’s not a fake, it’s a community.

Think by fake, WhatEV means it’s not really Dylann.

192 Kragar  Jun 18, 2015 11:21:31am

re: #186 The Vicious Babushka

193 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 11:21:41am

re: #186 The Vicious Babushka

HERP-DE-DERP!!!!

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194 makeitstop  Jun 18, 2015 11:21:59am

re: #183 WhatEVs

The last post was from 50 minutes ago. Has to be a fake.

Yeah, it’s not Roof’s own page - it’s a ‘community’ page. Obviously started this morning.

195 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jun 18, 2015 11:22:27am

..and as of 2:21pm Fox News website has scrubbed any mention of racist intent from their AP source from their lead story… cnn.com it is included in the headline.

196 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 11:22:31am
197 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 11:22:32am

re: #192 Kragar

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Ha I feel the same way about Holocaust denial. I don’t want to ban the CS flag either but I don’t want it flying from our state capitols either.

198 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 11:22:55am

re: #196 The Vicious Babushka

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An accomplice?

199 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 11:23:28am
I hate to say it, but with a middle name like “Storm” and wearing a jacket with the apartheid era South African flag, I got a feeling this dude was raised on a daily dose of white supremacy. The media will certainly try to tie him and his actions to conservatives and we can rest assured that the gun control nuts are going to have a field day. Roof’s insanity will be met with more insanity from the left.

38 posted on 6/18/2015, 4:37:51 PM by The Unknown Republican

freep

200 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 11:23:30am

re: #198 HappyWarrior

An accomplice?

Some random attention-seeker

201 allegro  Jun 18, 2015 11:23:33am

re: #189 HappyWarrior

Did we ever say that Ben? No, but what we have done is criticized the fact that the Confederate flag continues to fly in the state of South Carolina and that does enable racism whether your sorry ass wants to admit it or not.

It approves racism actually.

202 Skip Intro  Jun 18, 2015 11:23:48am

re: #186 The Vicious Babushka

HERP-DE-DERP!!!!

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Ben’s beginning to sound like he may have early onset Alzheimer’s. His tweets are getting more and more incoherent.

203 makeitstop  Jun 18, 2015 11:23:55am

re: #198 HappyWarrior

An accomplice?

Or just some dickhead trying to be ‘funny.’

204 Ian G.  Jun 18, 2015 11:25:06am

Maybe others have noted this and forgive me for not reading all the comments here and on other posts, but of the 3 white supremacist flags used by Roof, only one still flies over a government building anywhere, and that’s the bloody treasonous, terrorist battle flag of the Confederacy, flying over SC’s capitol.

Spit.

205 Kragar  Jun 18, 2015 11:25:15am
206 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 11:25:52am
207 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2015 11:25:54am

re: #15 Charles Johnson

Stand back, he’s suing everybody!

dailycaller.com

His case has no standing in Missouri, he doesn’t live there. His lawyer is an idiot.

208 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 11:26:10am

re: #199 Nyet

freep

You’re stronger than I am to be able to read what those freaks post. I had to give up FR years ago because it was destroying my faith in humanity.

209 WhatEVs  Jun 18, 2015 11:26:13am

re: #188 Nyet

It’s not a fake, it’s a community.

Oh. I don’t really do Facebook. I’ve never heard of a Community. Is a Community like a Group? I belong to two dog groups. And I hit Facebook like once a month.

210 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 11:26:17am

re: #205 Kragar

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Black people are dead and white people are trying hard to portray themselves as the victims.

Fuckin’ hell.

211 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 11:26:25am

re: #205 Kragar

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Really Lindsay? The dude has patches for white supremacist countries and targets an AFRICAN Methodist Church and you think he targeted them because of their religion?

212 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 11:26:26am

re: #205 Kragar

Fucking dick.

213 WhatEVs  Jun 18, 2015 11:26:42am

re: #191 HappyWarrior

Think by fake, WhatEV means it’s not really Dylann.

That was what I meant.

214 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 11:27:26am

re: #202 Skip Intro

Ben’s beginning to sound like he may have early onset Alzheimer’s. His tweets are getting more and more incoherent.

Last night he was totally shitfaced.

215 Ian G.  Jun 18, 2015 11:27:34am

re: #205 Kragar

So this is going to be the unified wingnut talking point. “Attacks on Christians”. Riiiiight. I’m sure Bryan Fischer’s flock was in equal danger from Roof’s rampage.

216 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2015 11:27:38am

re: #196 The Vicious Babushka

Saw a few minutes ago that an all-clear was given.

217 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 11:28:11am

Even the freepers get it. Why can’t the supposedly “moderate” Graham?

That’s right. (my ex mother in law was born in Rhodesia)

Pretty safe to say he is identifying himself as a white supremacist with those two flags.

64 posted on 6/18/2015, 4:46:22 PM by Constitution Day (Ran When Parked)

218 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2015 11:28:35am

I have no idea what his deleted tweet said, but:

219 Kragar  Jun 18, 2015 11:28:55am
220 DodgerFan1988  Jun 18, 2015 11:29:08am

The Fox News hosts are being cynical.
“The race hustlers got what they wanted.”
“We’re never going to hear the end of the words hate crime and racism.”
*Facepalm*

221 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 11:29:20am

re: #217 Nyet

Even the freepers get it. Why can’t the supposedly “moderate” Graham?

Yeah if the freepers get it, then Graham and the other GOP candidates (Santorum called it an attack on Christians too) should too. It’s obvious what he is.

222 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 11:29:30am

re: #214 The Vicious Babushka

Last night he was totally shitfaced.

How do you tell with someone who’s mind has been stunted by extremist ideology. I’ve never seen him seem like a sober adult at all.

223 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 11:29:58am

re: #217 Nyet

Even the freepers get it. Why can’t the supposedly “moderate” Graham?

Because this is his constituency. He got the shit scared out of him last year when he ran for reelection, so he’s gonna butter them up however he can. By avoiding any mention of race and portraying this as an attack on Christians, he gets a two-fer.

224 allegro  Jun 18, 2015 11:30:26am

re: #215 Ian G.

So this is going to be the unified wingnut talking point. “Attacks on Christians”. Riiiiight. I’m sure Bryan Fischer’s flock was in equal danger from Roof’s rampage.

And accusing Fischer’s flock of raping our woman and taking over our country. Certainly.

225 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 11:30:55am

re: #220 DodgerFan1988

The Fox News hosts are being cynical.
“The race hustlers got what they wanted.”
“We’re never going to hear the end of the words hate crime and racism.”
*Facepalm*

Because assholes he targeted one of the oldest historically African-American churches in Charleston, one with a pastor who was a state senator and one who had spoken out about Walter Scott too. You don’t want to hear about race because you want to delude yourselves that racism isn’t a problem anymore in this country.

226 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 18, 2015 11:31:19am

re: #211 HappyWarrior

Really Lindsay? The dude has patches for white supremacist countries and targets an AFRICAN Methodist Church and you think he targeted them because of their religion?

Making it about the religion means that Graham (and others) can share in the mantle of victimhood instead of having to address how their party contributes to an atmosphere that encourages racism.

In other words, it’s completely expected that they’ll do this. Sickening, but expected.

227 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 11:31:24am

re: #223 Targetpractice

I won’t even ask stupid questions like “how can he sleep at night”.

228 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 11:31:47am

I remember about 8 years ago a shooter attacked a church in Colorado and was stopped by an armed security guard.

Gun fuckers who would be all over this story don’t like to mention it because that same security guard was later thrown out of the church for being gay.

229 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2015 11:32:50am

re: #205 Kragar

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230 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 11:33:00am

re: #226 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Making it about the religion means that Graham (and others) can share in the mantle of victimhood instead of having to address how their party contributes to an atmosphere that encourages racism.

In other words, it’s completely expected that they’ll do this. Sickening, but expected.

I know, it’s just frustrating when it’s clear as hell that he targeted them because of their race. We have what he allegedly said, his patches, and the fact that it was an African-American church.

231 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 11:33:02am
One of the flags on the Jacket is the South African flag pre-1994 (the apartheid government) , basically the Royal tricolor of the Netherlands, upon which is added the smaller flags of the Union Jack, the former Orange Free State flag, and the older South African Republic flag.

That he would own or wear this is a message. I’m guessing he is a hardcore racist and very possibly comes from a family that could be supportive of such attitudes.

82 posted on 6/18/2015, 4:51:53 PM by cookcounty (“I was a Democrat until I learned to count” —Maine Gov. Paul LePage)

232 whitebeach  Jun 18, 2015 11:33:34am

re: #48 The Vicious Babushka

The “Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy” is a libertarian/conservative rag put out three times a year by students, some of them from Harvard Law. Far as I know it has no official connection to Harvard U and no great standing or academic authority.

233 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 11:33:49am

re: #228 The Vicious Babushka

I remember about 8 years ago a shooter attacked a church in Colorado and was stopped by an armed security guard.

Gun fuckers who would be all over this story don’t like to mention it because that same security guard was later thrown out of the church for being gay.

I remember that. That was disgraceful. “Thanks for saving our lives but you’re an evil lesbian so you’re fired.” That woman is more a Christian than that pastor could dream to be.

234 wrenchwench  Jun 18, 2015 11:34:21am

re: #204 Ian G.

Maybe others have noted this and forgive me for not reading all the comments here and on other posts, but of the 3 white supremacist flags used by Roof, only one still flies over a government building anywhere, and that’s the bloody treasonous, terrorist battle flag of the Confederacy, flying over SC’s capitol.

Spit.

Symbols can mean more than words.

235 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 11:34:25am

Ben is on meth again==>

236 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 11:34:33am

re: #231 Nyet

Feels weird being on the same plane as a Freeper.

237 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2015 11:34:34am
238 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 11:35:28am

re: #235 The Vicious Babushka

Ben is on meth again==>

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That didn’t take long.

239 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 11:35:42am

re: #229 Backwoods_Sleuth

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240 makeitstop  Jun 18, 2015 11:35:57am

re: #225 HappyWarrior

You don’t want to hear about race because you want to delude yourselves that racism isn’t a problem anymore in this country you’re paid to ignore or minimize it.

An alternate reasoning.

241 Skip Intro  Jun 18, 2015 11:36:02am

re: #217 Nyet

Are you sure the freepers get it, or is it just one semi-sane, soon to be banned one?

242 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 11:36:04am

re: #235 The Vicious Babushka

Ben is on meth again==>

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He actually makes a little sense until he accuses the left of wanting to first ban the flag and then acting like we shouldn’t discuss gun control. FFS Ben, Dana Loesch sounds more reasonable than you do today. Dana Loesch. Consider that one nutbar.

243 The War TARDIS  Jun 18, 2015 11:36:16am

re: #228 The Vicious Babushka

That is the church that broke my faith in Christianity the first time, in 2005.

Put me on the path towards Islam.

244 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 11:36:22am

re: #240 makeitstop

An alternate reasoning.

A more accurate reasoning.

245 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2015 11:36:36am
246 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 11:36:43am

re: #236 HappyWarrior

Feels weird being on the same plane as a Freeper.

Just to make the world right again:

This is racist mass murder, but I also believe it’s the result of Dear Leader stirring up hatred on all sides for political gain.

115 posted on 6/18/2015, 4:59:15 PM by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)

247 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 18, 2015 11:36:55am

re: #230 HappyWarrior

I know, it’s just frustrating when it’s clear as hell that he targeted them because of their race. We have what he allegedly said, his patches, and the fact that it was an African-American church.

Sure. But the media won’t point this out, and the candidates will pretend it’s not there, and the party faithful won’t have their worldview challenged. Because that would be uncomfortable.

248 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 11:37:09am

re: #241 Skip Intro

Are you sure the freepers get it, or is it just one semi-sane, soon to be banned one?

I’ve already seen three.

249 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 11:37:10am

Meanwhile, Rand Paul reveals his Great Plan To Save America, because that worked so well for the last 35 years!

250 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 11:37:26am

re: #246 Nyet

Just to make the world right again:

Yeah I know heh.

251 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 11:37:45am

When in doubt, blame Obama.

252 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 11:38:03am

re: #247 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Sure. But the media won’t point this out, and the candidates will pretend it’s not there, and the party faithful won’t have their worldview challenged. Because that would be uncomfortable.

As I said just frustrating.

253 Skip Intro  Jun 18, 2015 11:38:30am

re: #245 Backwoods_Sleuth

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If he were black, he’d be dead. Twice.

254 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 11:38:48am

re: #246 Nyet

Just to make the world right again:

You know someone’s deeply stupid, even for a right-wing-nut, when they say “dear leader.”

255 The War TARDIS  Jun 18, 2015 11:39:02am

re: #184 Kragar

$50 dollars?

That a rather small amount of money to whore oneself out.

256 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2015 11:40:05am
257 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 11:40:12am

OK, this explains one black fb friend - and probably the rest of them too.

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258 Kragar  Jun 18, 2015 11:40:38am

re: #249 The Vicious Babushka

259 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 11:40:44am

re: #249 The Vicious Babushka

Meanwhile, Rand Paul reveals his Great Plan To Save America, because that worked so well for the last 35 years!

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260 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 11:40:56am

re: #256 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think that man was just standing his ground.

261 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 11:42:13am
What’s Rhodesia?
From 1965 to 1979, it was a very special place.

Accordingly, the Communists and globalist one-worlders despised it, and equally despised those of us who lived there and fought for it. The moral of the story for Americans is, that when push comes to shove, your politicians will sell you out.

252 posted on 6/18/2015, 8:12:19 PM by archy

262 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 11:42:36am

re: #257 Nyet

OK, this explains one black fb friend - and probably the rest of them too.

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Don’t you have to be approved to be a FB friend?

263 wrenchwench  Jun 18, 2015 11:42:44am

I love her.

264 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jun 18, 2015 11:42:57am

re: #235 The Vicious Babushka

I guess according to Mr. Ben the Nazi flag should be flying over cemeteries of dead German soldiers.

History and all.

265 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 11:43:18am

re: #262 HappyWarrior

Don’t you have to be approved to be a FB friend?

I think so, but some people will accept any friend request to inflate their friend count. It’s a competition to some people.

266 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 11:43:44am

re: #262 HappyWarrior

They probably saw he’s from the same school and that was that.

267 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2015 11:43:49am
268 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 11:44:21am

re: #259 No Country For Old Haters

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Rand wants a 14.5% Flat Tax, which is just shifting the burden of tax on to the poor & middle class.

269 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2015 11:44:49am

re: #262 HappyWarrior

Don’t you have to be approved to be a FB friend?

Yeah but a lot of people tend to give the benefit of the doubt. Especially if they see the friend request comes from somebody who’s already friends with a bunch of people from their school, work, etc.

270 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 11:44:59am

re: #265 No Country For Old Haters

I think so, but some people will accept any friend request to inflate their friend count. It’s a competition to some people.

I know but I mean how is he accepting these requests if he was on the run and now in custody? I do know some people have their profiles set up so non-friends can post on their timelines though.

271 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 11:45:27am

re: #266 Nyet

They probably saw he’s from the same school and that was that.

Yeah definitely.

272 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 11:45:43am

re: #269 goddamnedfrank

Yeah but a lot of people tend to give the benefit of the doubt. Especially if they see the friend request comes from somebody who’s already friends with a bunch of people from their school, work, etc.

Right good point.

273 Lidane  Jun 18, 2015 11:46:34am
274 Varek Raith  Jun 18, 2015 11:47:18am

re: #273 Lidane

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I’m sorry, whut?

275 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 11:48:40am

re: #270 HappyWarrior

I know but I mean how is he accepting these requests if he was on the run and now in custody? I do know some people have their profiles set up so non-friends can post on their timelines though.

He accepted them a long time before ;)

276 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 11:48:42am

re: #249 The Vicious Babushka

Meanwhile, Rand Paul reveals his Great Plan To Save America, because that worked so well for the last 35 years!

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Conspicuously left absent is an estimation of how many families would actually see any of that $2 trillion.

277 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 11:49:14am
278 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 11:49:18am

re: #273 Lidane

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I guess someone never heard of the bombing in Birmingham in ‘63. It makes perfect sense to me that a white supremacist would target a historically black church with a minister who was also an elected official.

279 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 11:49:32am

re: #275 Nyet

He accepted them a long time before ;)

Yeah I see now.

280 Patricia Kayden  Jun 18, 2015 11:49:56am

re: #178 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Unfortunately, there is no answer to that very good question. If the killings of children at Sandy Hook didn’t make any difference, I don’t know what will.

281 Dr Lizardo  Jun 18, 2015 11:50:30am

re: #273 Lidane

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I’m actually rendered speechless by her vacuous stupidity.

I’ll just respond with this.

282 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 18, 2015 11:51:34am

re: #276 Targetpractice

Conspicuously left absent is an estimation of how many families would actually see any of that $2 trillion.

Also missing is whether Paul’s plan eliminates the mortgage interest deduction and the deductions for dependents.

283 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 11:51:41am

re: #278 HappyWarrior

I guess someone never heard of the bombing in Birmingham in ‘63. It makes perfect sense to me that a white supremacist would target a historically black church with a minister who was also an elected official.

You’d make a terrible wingnut.

284 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 18, 2015 11:52:10am

So a white supremacist drives a Hyundai. Um. Ok…

285 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2015 11:52:38am
286 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 11:52:50am

re: #283 No Country For Old Haters

You’d make a terrible wingnut.

I take that as a compliment.

287 Dr. Matt  Jun 18, 2015 11:53:14am

re: #284 GlutenFreeJesus

So a white supremacist drives a black Hyundai. Um. Ok…

Must be a False Flag!

288 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 11:53:44am

re: #284 GlutenFreeJesus

So a white supremacist drives a Hyundai. Um. Ok…

Asians are the good kind of minority/

I’ve seen wingnut bumper-stickers on a Prius.

289 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 11:54:25am

re: #284 GlutenFreeJesus

So a white supremacist drives a Hyundai. Um. Ok…

Just because you’re a hateful bigot doesn’t mean you can’t be practical, especially with gas prices what they are these days.

290 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 11:55:05am
291 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 11:55:12am

re: #289 Targetpractice

Just because you’re a hateful bigot doesn’t mean you can’t be practical, especially with gas prices what they are these days.

Your reply also works for my #288

292 blueraven  Jun 18, 2015 11:55:57am

re: #273 Lidane

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I have seen a couple of other really ignorant tweets by her about this shooting that were screen capped. She has made her Twitter account private.

Cant remember where I saw them, but damn.

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3 hours ago - Sorry, am I the only one who isn’t seeing a “white” male? I know media wants to run a racial angle here but this guy doesn’t look white? 181 retweets 64 favorites.

293 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 18, 2015 11:56:04am

re: #284 GlutenFreeJesus

So a white supremacist drives a Hyundai. Um. Ok…

A black Hyundai at that. Which proves that he wasn’t a racist and that he was after Christians.

294 Mike Lamb  Jun 18, 2015 11:56:18am

re: #273 Lidane

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And she has a deep familiarity with how they operate?

295 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 11:57:18am

THIS IS SO PRESIDENTIAL==>

296 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 11:57:40am

I’m now wondering where this fellow lived and what the distance is between there and the church in question, as well as if there were other churches in between.

297 Mike Lamb  Jun 18, 2015 11:57:45am

re: #285 goddamnedfrank

Are they doing this so they can shoe-horn this incident into the “Christians are being persecuted!” agenda? I’m not getting this at all.

298 makeitstop  Jun 18, 2015 11:58:51am

re: #273 Lidane

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DaFUQ??

299 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 11:59:14am

I’m almost convinced the whole “Christian persecution” bit they’re trying to shoehorn this story into has to do with a need to believe that this is somehow the fault of “libruls.”

300 Timothy Watson  Jun 18, 2015 11:59:43am

re: #295 The Vicious Babushka

THIS IS SO PRESIDENTIAL==>

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Will it be okay for the white guy to play golf while President?

Donald Trump offers President Obama free golf for resignation

301 The War TARDIS  Jun 18, 2015 12:00:00pm

re: #296 Targetpractice

Address search?

302 #FergusonFireside  Jun 18, 2015 12:00:06pm

re: #237 goddamnedfrank

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This was from last night

303 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 12:00:18pm

*VOMITS*

304 wrenchwench  Jun 18, 2015 12:01:03pm
305 ObserverArt  Jun 18, 2015 12:01:10pm

I checked out the radio station Andrea Kaye (See Tweets Earlier in thread where she whines about hate crimes being a liberal thing, blah, blah). Looks like a RWNJ kook station. A big ol’ pop-up ad for “An afternoon with Ann Coulter” came up on top of the home page. That was enough to get the idea of her’s and the station’s politics.

AM 1170 - The Answer. Intelligent. Conservative.

306 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 12:01:20pm

Someone new to follow?

307 Timothy Watson  Jun 18, 2015 12:02:08pm

Someone should do an analysis of the print newspapers tomorrow and see how many use the old booking photo for him.

308 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 12:02:18pm

re: #301 The War TARDIS

Address search?

Haven’t yet seen an address for where he lives. Rather doubt the press will be giving it out.

309 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 18, 2015 12:02:48pm

re: #299 Targetpractice

I’m almost convinced the whole “Christian persecution” bit they’re trying to shoehorn this story into has to do with a need to believe that this is somehow the fault of “libruls.”

Well you can bet the ranch that the wingers will not assume one iota of responsibility for the young man’s state. That leaves us, as usual.

310 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 12:03:17pm

re: #307 Timothy Watson

Someone should do an analysis of the print newspapers tomorrow and see how many use the old booking photo for him.

It’s either that or the flag patch jacket

311 OhNoZombies!  Jun 18, 2015 12:03:21pm

re: #299 Targetpractice

I’m almost convinced the whole “Christian persecution” bit they’re trying to shoehorn this story into has to do with a need to believe that this is somehow the fault of “libruls.”

Anything to distance themselves from the reality that their rhetoric built this.
Or just reality…

312 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 18, 2015 12:04:07pm

re: #310 The Vicious Babushka

It’s either that or the flag patch jacket

Or the camera surveillance photo.

313 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 12:04:08pm

re: #309 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Well you can bet the ranch that the wingers will not assume one iota of responsibility for the young man’s state. That leaves us, as usual.

Which rather leaves them in an uncomfortable spot, unless they just assert that the reports of what he told the reverend are lies. I mean, are wingnuts really going to stand up and say you’d have to be crazy to believe that there’s an epidemic of black-on-white rape or that black folks are “taking over the country”?

314 Timothy Watson  Jun 18, 2015 12:04:10pm

re: #308 Targetpractice

Haven’t yet seen an address for where he lives. Rather doubt the press will be giving it out.

I’m sure Chuckie will post it on his website immediately.

/

315 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 18, 2015 12:05:16pm

re: #297 Mike Lamb

Are they doing this so they can shoe-horn this incident into the “Christians are being persecuted!” agenda? I’m not getting this at all.

Yes.

Also see: Hate crimes gives the victims special status over whites!

Next?

316 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 12:05:24pm

re: #306 Nyet

Someone new to follow?

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Why not. She seems like a likable person. A lot of people would have gotten pissy if that happened to them.

317 Tigger2  Jun 18, 2015 12:05:26pm

re: #308 Targetpractice

Haven’t yet seen an address for where he lives. Rather doubt the press will be giving it out.

If Chuck C was around he would find it. lol It would have been on Twitter by now.

318 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 12:06:13pm

re: #311 OhNoZombies!

Anything to distance themselves from the reality that their rhetoric built this.
Or just reality…

They’re always victims instead of malefactors in their own minds.

319 bratwurst  Jun 18, 2015 12:06:49pm

I just got home to learn the right wing talking points on Charleston. I know I am a fool to be surprised by anything they do, but this is remarkably disgusting.

320 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 12:07:04pm
321 Timothy Watson  Jun 18, 2015 12:07:07pm

re: #317 Tigger2

If Chuck C was around he would find it. lol It would have been on Twitter by now.

Oh, I doubt it. He would be posting the address of the victims.

322 Timothy Watson  Jun 18, 2015 12:07:43pm

re: #321 Timothy Watson

Oh, I doubt it. He would be posting the address of the victims.

Along with digging through every state’s criminal database to see if any of them had ever been charged with anything.

323 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 18, 2015 12:07:52pm

re: #305 ObserverArt

I checked out the radio station Andrea Kaye (See Tweets Earlier in thread where she whines about hate crimes being a liberal thing, blah, blah). Looks like a RWNJ kook station. A big ol’ pop-up ad for “An afternoon with Ann Coulter” came up on top of the home page. That was enough to get the idea of her’s and the station’s politics.

AM 1170 - The Answer. Intelligent. Conservative.

She cannot answer anything without resorting to boilerplate aphorisms. Rage, ego, and not enough brain cells to understand what the fuck she is actually even angry about.

Literally one of the least intelligent people I have seen on twitter.

324 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 12:08:36pm

re: #320 The Vicious Babushka

And sat there for an hour.

325 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 12:08:56pm

re: #323 Aunty Entity Dragon

Intelligent. Conservative.

Pick one.

326 petesh  Jun 18, 2015 12:09:04pm

re: #3 Nyet

The excuses so far:

1. He isn’t white/he’s Muslim (before better photos emerged).
2. He’s a druggie.
3. He targeted Christians, not blacks.

Update: 4. He’s not white!

That’s really gotta sting …

327 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 18, 2015 12:09:09pm

re: #321 Timothy Watson

Oh, I doubt it. He would be posting the address of the victims.

or looking for their juvenile records.

328 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 12:09:50pm

re: #326 petesh

Update: 4. He’s not white!

That’s really gotta sting …

Umm, that was number 1 in my list…

329 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 18, 2015 12:10:25pm

re: #326 petesh

Update: 4. He’s not white!

That’s really gotta sting …

The No True Scotsman died of fucking embarassment today.

330 petesh  Jun 18, 2015 12:10:48pm

re: #328 Nyet

Oops, I was focusing on the Muslim bit. And laughing too hard to make sense. In order to keep from crying.

331 Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2015 12:11:04pm

He wants $20 million.

332 Lidane  Jun 18, 2015 12:11:07pm

Shitty timing or deliberate move?

333 OhNoZombies!  Jun 18, 2015 12:11:13pm

re: #324 Nyet

And sat there for an hour.

Just so cold-blooded.

334 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 12:11:44pm

re: #330 petesh

Oops, I was focusing on the Muslim bit. And laughing too hard to make sense. In order to keep from crying.

It’s alright, some were back to claiming “not white” even after they saw the mug shots ;)

335 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 12:12:37pm

re: #331 Charles Johnson

Deluded.

336 prairiefire  Jun 18, 2015 12:12:48pm

The killer let some live to tell the tale. A witness said he told them, “You’re raping our women, you’re taking over our country, you have to go.” NPR

337 Timothy Watson  Jun 18, 2015 12:12:58pm

re: #331 Charles Johnson

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He wants $20 million.

338 blueraven  Jun 18, 2015 12:13:05pm

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@dmataconis Actually, odds would favor it NOT being racial: when was the last time a white person massacred a group of blacks in America?

339 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 12:13:16pm

re: #331 Charles Johnson

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He wants $20 million.

He doesn’t want much, huh?

340 The War TARDIS  Jun 18, 2015 12:14:03pm

re: #331 Charles Johnson

He will be lucky if he gets a free burrito.

341 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 12:14:08pm

re: #338 blueraven

She’s a walking piece of shame.

342 Ace-o-aces  Jun 18, 2015 12:14:12pm
343 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 12:14:24pm

re: #339 Targetpractice

He doesn’t want much, huh?

I think he knows he’s reached a dead-end. He has to hope for a payday. Next stop is probably suicide.

344 Dr Lizardo  Jun 18, 2015 12:14:28pm

re: #331 Charles Johnson

345 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 12:14:59pm

re: #331 Charles Johnson

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He wants $20 million.

Why filing in Missouri? Because that’s where Jon Burns is licensed?

How does MO handle SLAPP suits?

346 blueraven  Jun 18, 2015 12:15:30pm

re: #341 Nyet

She’s a walking piece of shame.

Yeah, also few other pieces of S…

347 The War TARDIS  Jun 18, 2015 12:15:48pm

re: #343 No Country For Old Haters

With as nasty as he is?

No, he will likely commit a mass shooting in the next year. If I were a Californian Mosque, I would have guards.

348 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 18, 2015 12:16:04pm

Freep is mostly false flag suggestions, denunciations of alleged anti-gun opportunism, and the moronic fantasy of favoritism and hypocrisy in hate crime designations.

The right wing has well and truly collapsed into drooling insanity. We’ve seen it coming for a long time. Now it is here, literally. They cannot face facts any more at all, hence the fall back into stupid conspiracy theories. Their minds no longer function at a rational level and all attempts at rational discussion are a waste of time.

I am genuinely afraid of where this is going.

349 Kragar  Jun 18, 2015 12:17:16pm
350 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 12:17:23pm

re: #347 The War TARDIS

With as nasty as he is?

No, he will likely commit a mass shooting in the next year. If I were a Californian Mosque, I would have guards.

Maybe. Hopefully he doesn’t take anyone with him when his worldview collapses.

351 Iwouldprefernotto  Jun 18, 2015 12:17:36pm

re: #331 Charles Johnson

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He wants $20 million.

but will settle for a six pack

352 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 18, 2015 12:17:38pm

re: #331 Charles Johnson

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He wants $20 million.

The disclosure regarding his finances will cause a popcorn shortage all by itself.

353 Timothy Watson  Jun 18, 2015 12:18:08pm

Heh, went to check on something after reading part of the lawsuit and I think I found Chuckie’s home address, which I won’t be posting.

354 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 12:18:25pm

re: #352 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The disclosure regarding his finances will cause a popcorn shortage all by itself.

I’m telling my broker to buy, but he says there’s no such thing as popcorn futures.

355 Kid A  Jun 18, 2015 12:18:38pm

When CCJ loses his lawsuit I hope the judge makes him pay all court costs and all legal fees for the defendants.

356 Tigger2  Jun 18, 2015 12:19:24pm

re: #348 Shiplord Kirel

Freep is mostly false flag suggestions, denunciations of alleged anti-gun opportunism, and the moronic fantasy of favoritism and hypocrisy in hate crime designations.

The right wing has well and truly collapsed into drooling insanity. We’ve seen it coming for a long time. Now it is here, literally. They cannot face facts any more at all, hence the fall back into stupid conspiracy theories. Their minds no longer function at a rational level and all attempts at rational discussion are a waste of time.

I am genuinely afraid of where this is going.

Maybe mass suicide like a lot of cults do when they come to the end of their run. //

357 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 12:19:30pm

re: #355 Kid A

When CCJ loses his lawsuit I hope the judge makes him pay all court costs and all legal fees for the defendants.

From what? AFAIK he’s indigent, and depends on the kindness of his in-laws.

358 Timothy Watson  Jun 18, 2015 12:19:54pm

re: #345 The Vicious Babushka

Why filing in Missouri? Because that’s where Jon Burns is licensed?

How does MO handle SLAPP suits?

Probably, he could get pro hac vice, but California rules require a state licensed bar member to supervise the other attorney’s work.

359 Kid A  Jun 18, 2015 12:19:54pm

re: #351 Iwouldprefernotto

but will settle for a six pack

And a line of blow.

360 Kid A  Jun 18, 2015 12:20:55pm

re: #357 No Country For Old Haters

His Hot Asian Wife, perhaps?

361 Timothy Watson  Jun 18, 2015 12:20:58pm

re: #353 Timothy Watson

Heh, went to check on something after reading part of the lawsuit and I think I found Chuckie’s home address, which I won’t be posting.

Damn lack of proofreading skills, it’s been corrected now, but that should have been “…I think I found Chuckie’s home address…”

362 allegro  Jun 18, 2015 12:21:04pm

re: #355 Kid A

When CCJ loses his lawsuit I hope the judge makes him pay all court costs and all legal fees for the defendants.

Wonder if his wife knows the debts he is incurring in her name as well, since I assume CA is a community property state.

363 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 12:22:02pm

re: #360 Kid A

His Hot Asian Wife, perhaps?

From Chuck, human trafficking would not surprise me.

364 Bubblehead II  Jun 18, 2015 12:22:12pm

re: #331 Charles Johnson

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He wants $20 million.

But will be willing to settle for million plus attorney fees.

And no, I’m not being sarcastic.

365 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 18, 2015 12:22:38pm
366 Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2015 12:22:42pm

He can’t file this in Missouri. It’ll be thrown out immediately.

367 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 12:23:03pm

re: #362 allegro

Wonder if his wife knows the debts he is incurring in her name as well, since I assume CA is a community property state.

Her parent’s money is probably safe, and if they did buy a house, they likely owe as much as it’s worth, since he was talking about it recently.

368 OhNoZombies!  Jun 18, 2015 12:23:44pm

Sooo, Chuckie’s in-laws are losing patience…no more bs excuses, it’s time to pay rent.

369 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 12:23:53pm

re: #366 Charles Johnson

He can’t file this in Missouri. It’ll be thrown out immediately.

Damnit, I was hoping this clown show would go on longer. Back to watching the Republican candidates.

370 Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2015 12:24:12pm
371 allegro  Jun 18, 2015 12:25:11pm

re: #367 No Country For Old Haters

Her parent’s money is probably safe, and if they did buy a house, they likely owe as much as it’s worth, since he was talking about it recently.

Her parents, sure. His wfe could find herself in deep debt with fucked credit for many years.

372 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 18, 2015 12:25:52pm

re: #362 allegro

Wonder if his wife knows the debts he is incurring in her name as well, since I assume CA is a community property state.

Pretty sure we are.

373 makeitstop  Jun 18, 2015 12:25:55pm

re: #331 Charles Johnson

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He wants $20 million.

Upon a quick scan, I saw this:

36. Plaintiff Johnson repeatedly requested that Defendnant Howard publically retract his defamatory statements, but Defendant Johnson refused.

Chuck’s lawyer is every bit as sloppy as Chuck himself.

(BTW, Charles - if you’d rather not have us comment on this, just say so.)

374 petesh  Jun 18, 2015 12:26:56pm

re: #331 Charles Johnson

He wants $20 million.

1. I am really sorry for the judge. I mean, did you skim that document? Your honor, I contest the definition of “good-ass kinja.” Now, may we turn to section 66.b.i, entitled: ‘In bold, “Johnson shit on the floor in college.”’ Also, 66.b.iii entitled: In bold, “Johnson fucked a sheep.”’
2. OTOH, I look forward to hours of brutal pleasure.
3. When he loses, does he have to pay Gawker’s legal bills?

375 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 12:26:57pm

re: #373 makeitstop

Upon a quick scan, I saw this:

Chuck’s lawyer is every bit as sloppy as Chuck himself.

(BTW, Charles - if you’d rather not have us comment on this, just say so.)

In his defense, “defendant Johnson” does sound more reasonable.

376 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 12:27:04pm

re: #373 makeitstop

Upon a quick scan, I saw this:

Chuck’s lawyer is every bit as sloppy as Chuck himself.

(BTW, Charles - if you’d rather not have us comment on this, just say so.)

Also: Defendnant Howard

377 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 12:29:40pm

Are those the same crayon lawyers?

378 Mike Lamb  Jun 18, 2015 12:29:44pm

re: #366 Charles Johnson

He can’t file this in Missouri. It’ll be thrown out immediately.

Interesting that the complaint contains no statement of jurisdiction. In Arizona, that’s included in every complaint.

379 Timothy Watson  Jun 18, 2015 12:29:50pm

Has this thing actually been filed? I don’t see a court seal stamp or anything on it. It looks like a direct PDF copy e-mailed to someone.

380 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2015 12:29:59pm

In other news, I have the crockpot filled with kielbasa, sauerkraut, red taties and beer.
Should be ready in a few hours. Y’all come on over!

381 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 18, 2015 12:30:04pm

re: #374 petesh

…ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!

382 Timothy Watson  Jun 18, 2015 12:30:26pm

re: #378 Mike Lamb

Interesting that the complaint contains no statement of jurisdiction. In Arizona, that’s included in every complaint.

There’s one paragraph on page 2.

383 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 18, 2015 12:31:30pm

re: #380 Backwoods_Sleuth

In other news, I have the crockpot filled with kielbasa, sauerkraut, red taties and beer.
Should be ready in a few hours. Y’all come on over!

Yum! I’m out here in Californy. If I drive all night will I have a shot at leftovers?

384 makeitstop  Jun 18, 2015 12:31:35pm

re: #376 The Vicious Babushka

Also: Defendnant Howard

LOL. Totes missed that.

385 Kragar  Jun 18, 2015 12:31:41pm
386 Skip Intro  Jun 18, 2015 12:31:57pm

re: #331 Charles Johnson

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He wants $20 million.

Please let him bring up the floor shitting incident. Please, please, please.

Update: He did, he did!!!!!!!!!!!!!

387 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 12:32:03pm

re: #380 Backwoods_Sleuth

In other news, I have the crockpot filled with kielbasa, sauerkraut, red taties and beer.
Should be ready in a few hours. Y’all come on over!

How’s the dish called?

388 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 18, 2015 12:33:00pm

re: #387 Nyet

How’s the dish called?

Dinner.

389 makeitstop  Jun 18, 2015 12:33:12pm

re: #379 Timothy Watson

Has this thing actually been filed? I don’t see a court seal stamp or anything on it. It looks like a direct PDF copy e-mailed to someone.

It does say ‘leaked petition.’

Maybe Chuckie and his alleged lawyer leaked it to skeer everybody.

390 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 12:33:30pm

re: #385 Kragar

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Frothy is delusional, that and sports at 11.

391 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 12:33:53pm

re: #380 Backwoods_Sleuth

In other news, I have the crockpot filled with kielbasa, sauerkraut, red taties and beer.
Should be ready in a few hours. Y’all come on over!

Okay I’m on my way! Seriously that sounds great.

392 EPR-radar  Jun 18, 2015 12:34:07pm

re: #104 Patricia Kayden

The Shooter is responsible for his own actions. There is no collective responsibility. Now there can be an argument that he used racist arguments to motivate his heinous actions but that’s about as far as that goes. The people who influenced his actions won’t be going to jail with him. And he doesn’t have to be mentally ill to be evil.

IMO the US Right does have a collective responsibility for its tendency to pander to white supremacy (and other RWNJ extremism) as opposed to confronting it. The hands of those who foster stochastic terrorism are not clean, even though they can never be charged with the actual terrorist acts.

393 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 12:34:32pm

re: #385 Kragar

except when claiming the people they want to victimize are the real racists.

394 allegro  Jun 18, 2015 12:34:36pm

re: #389 makeitstop

It does say ‘leaked petition.’

Maybe Chuckie and his alleged lawyer leaked it to skeer everybody.

Because he’s serious, dammit! Really Look At Me Serious this time!

395 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 12:35:19pm

re: #394 allegro

Because he’s serious, dammit! Really Look At Me Serious this time!

I’ve seen his serious face. It looks like he’s pooping.

396 Timothy Watson  Jun 18, 2015 12:35:45pm

re: #389 makeitstop

It does say ‘leaked petition.’

Maybe Chuckie and his alleged lawyer leaked it to skeer everybody.

Ah, missed that, maybe someone should e-mail the lawyer and point out all the typos.

397 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2015 12:37:04pm
398 Skip Intro  Jun 18, 2015 12:37:10pm
an additional tipster who called Defendant Howard on the telephone and relayed a graphic allegation of Johnson having sex with a sheep

Jesus, this is going to be great!

399 makeitstop  Jun 18, 2015 12:37:54pm

re: #396 Timothy Watson

Ah, missed that, maybe someone should e-mail the lawyer and point out all the typos.

Nah, fuck it. The judge might get a giggle out of it before he throws it out and cites the alleged lawyer for filing a frivolous suit.

400 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 12:38:32pm

re: #397 Backwoods_Sleuth

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401 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 12:39:25pm

re: #396 Timothy Watson

Ah, missed that, maybe someone should e-mail the lawyer and point out all the typos.

Be sure to mark them in red ink, with snide little comments like “Work harder next time.”

402 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 12:40:01pm

re: #399 makeitstop

Nah, fuck it. The judge might get a giggle out of it before he throws it out and cites the alleged lawyer for filing a frivolous suit.

They should disbar this lawyer, and his school should rescind his degree. Who knows how many people who don’t know better received poor representation from this bozo.

403 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 12:40:15pm

re: #397 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Don’t call the flag racist.//

404 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 18, 2015 12:40:21pm
405 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 18, 2015 12:41:08pm
406 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2015 12:41:42pm

re: #403 HappyWarrior

Don’t call the flag racist.//

407 Timothy Watson  Jun 18, 2015 12:42:07pm

Off topic: I am wondering how much of an ass I should be while doing a course evaluation for a professor.

408 aagcobb  Jun 18, 2015 12:42:21pm

re: #406 Backwoods_Sleuth

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But have they lowered it to half-staff? ///

409 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2015 12:42:31pm

re: #408 aagcobb

But have they lowered it to half-staff? ///

410 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 12:42:36pm

re: #407 Timothy Watson

Off topic: I am wondering how much of an ass I should be while doing a course evaluation for a professor.

I’d go with not at all.

411 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 12:42:59pm

re: #406 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It will be flying on the bicentennial of the war’s end when I am 77 years old.

412 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 12:43:40pm

re: #405 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Well played Mick.

413 Timothy Watson  Jun 18, 2015 12:43:56pm

re: #410 No Country For Old Haters

I’d go with not at all.

The professor was an arrogant and condescending ass.

414 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 18, 2015 12:45:03pm

re: #413 Timothy Watson

The professor was an arrogant and condescending ass.

Then be specific and accurate.

415 #FergusonFireside  Jun 18, 2015 12:46:04pm
416 Timothy Watson  Jun 18, 2015 12:46:25pm

re: #414 Aunty Entity Dragon

Then be specific and accurate.

I am, but the snark gets through. The current draft on one of the prompts:

Professor was arrogant and condescending to students, repeatedly yelled (or, at the very least, raised his voice) at students for asking questions, went off on tangents almost daily about how he had to walk uphill, both ways, to class or work.

417 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 12:46:52pm

re: #413 Timothy Watson

The professor was an arrogant and condescending ass.

Then either give as you received, be the better man, or something in-between. Probably something in-between. You want to come across as level-headed but dissatisfied.

418 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 12:47:18pm

re: #416 Timothy Watson

I am, but the snark gets through. The current draft on one of the prompts:

That’s not being an ass. I think you’re probably so nice that being honest about a problem person feels like being an ass to you.

419 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 12:48:01pm

re: #415 #FergusonFireside

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I want to hear their stories in the days to come. Not this bigoted shithead.

420 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 18, 2015 12:48:39pm

re: #402 No Country For Old Haters

They should disbar this lawyer, and his school should rescind his degree. Who knows how many people who don’t know better received poor representation from this bozo.

Better representation offered by Lionel Hutz.

421 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 12:50:15pm

re: #420 Feline Fearless Leader

Better representation offered by Lionel Hutz.

We’ve drawn Judge Snyder.

422 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 18, 2015 12:51:13pm

On the positive side folks!

Your tax dollars being well spent (in my opinion). My niece got awarded one of the 2015 Hollings Scholarships by NOAA.

oesd.noaa.gov

423 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 12:52:45pm

“Plaintiff, did you shit on the floor?”

424 Timothy Watson  Jun 18, 2015 12:53:04pm

re: #421 HappyWarrior

We’ve drawn Judge Snyder.

Ran over his dog, and by dog, I mean son, and by ran over I mean ran over, backed up, and ran him over again.

(Or something like that, going from memory.)

425 Timothy Watson  Jun 18, 2015 12:53:55pm

re: #423 Nyet

“Plaintiff, did you shit on the floor?”

I bet a couple of the folks are Gawker are wishing their lawyers would waive the jurisdictional issue just so they could ask him that during the deposition.

426 blueraven  Jun 18, 2015 12:54:06pm

re: #409 Backwoods_Sleuth


For decency’s sake, they should take it down for at least 9 days.
Then, never raise it again.

427 aagcobb  Jun 18, 2015 12:54:44pm

re: #426 blueraven

For decency’s sake, they should take it down for at least 9 days.
Then, never raise it again.

That is a quality they are not familiar with.

428 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 18, 2015 12:55:26pm

re: #427 aagcobb

That is a quality they are not familiar with.

Too small to be country, too big to be an insane asylum.

429 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 12:56:01pm

I’m finding a lot of cool people to follow on Twitter as they push back against racism.

430 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 12:56:06pm

Do we know anything about his upbringing yet? I am very interested in how a kid born in 1994 came to learn about the Apartheid regime and embrace it but also Rhodesia which is much more obscure. My original thought was that his parents or a parent was from South Africa but it doesn’t seem to be the case.

431 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2015 12:56:06pm

re: #426 blueraven

For decency’s sake, they should take it down for at least 9 days.
Then, never raise it again.

FWIW, South Carolina doesn’t recognize “hate crime” as an offense in the state.

432 The War TARDIS  Jun 18, 2015 12:57:09pm

re: #430 HappyWarrior

His parents are probably hardline White Supremacists.

433 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 12:57:12pm

re: #426 blueraven

For decency’s sake, they should take it down for at least 9 days.
Then, never raise it again.

They should have done it years ago. What a lot of people don’t know or want to admit is for the longest time, the CSA flag did not fly in Southern capitols. IT started flying again you guessed it because of the Civil Rights movement.

434 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 12:57:18pm

re: #430 HappyWarrior

Do we know anything about his upbringing yet? I am very interested in how a kid born in 1994 came to learn about the Apartheid regime and embrace it but also Rhodesia which is much more obscure. My original thought was that his parents or a parent was from South Africa but it doesn’t seem to be the case.

Maybe some white supremacist group he got involved in was into those flags. A lot of time they’re run by old guys who brainwash kids.

435 De Kolta Chair  Jun 18, 2015 12:58:09pm

re: #415 #FergusonFireside

Halfrican American @lenubienne

Say their names. #CharlestonShooting #AMEmassacre

That list proves Roof isn’t a racist — he’s an ageist!!!1!!

////////////////

436 wrenchwench  Jun 18, 2015 12:58:10pm

Welcoming the apology for white supremacy long after the events:

Greg Selinger, Manitoba premier, apologizes for Sixties Scoop

437 aagcobb  Jun 18, 2015 12:58:15pm

re: #430 HappyWarrior

Do we know anything about his upbringing yet? I am very interested in how a kid born in 1994 came to learn about the Apartheid regime and embrace it but also Rhodesia which is much more obscure. My original thought was that his parents or a parent was from South Africa but it doesn’t seem to be the case.

His middle name is “Storm”, I would guess as in “Stormfront.” I’m just speculating, but my guess is he was raised as a white supremacist.

438 allegro  Jun 18, 2015 12:58:31pm

re: #416 Timothy Watson

I am, but the snark gets through. The current draft on one of the prompts:

I wish to commend Professor X for sharing his knowledge with this class, some of which may be helpful to his students in the future. Particularly enlightening were his frequent forays into the difficulties of his youth - it’s always heartening to be reminded that we really have it good as youths today to avoid becoming jaded. It’s also valuable to be told how stupid we are when asking questions in class less we become too pushy in the real world and be thought rude. This will certainly aid us in our future success when dealing with condescending bosses who are clearly our superiors in every way.

439 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 12:58:54pm

re: #432 The War TARDIS

His parents are probably hardline White Supremacists.

May well be but I am really curious about this. He definitely either had some parental or family influence on his bigotry or seriously educated himself. A lot of people do not know about the Rhodesia regime and Ian Smith. In fact, it’s something I myself barely know much about and history is my forte.

440 Timothy Watson  Jun 18, 2015 12:59:40pm

re: #438 allegro

I wish to commend Professor X for sharing his knowledge with this class, some of which may be helpful to his students in the future. Particularly enlightening were his frequent forays into the difficulties of his youth - it’s always heartening to be reminded that we really have it good as youths today to avoid becoming jaded. It’s also valuable to be told how stupid we are when asking questions in class less we become too pushy in the real world and be thought rude. This will certainly aid us in our future success when dealing with condescending bosses who are clearly our superiors in every way.

Christ, and I thought I was snarky! I almost fell out of my chair.

441 Bubblehead II  Jun 18, 2015 1:00:17pm

re: #438 allegro

I wish to commend Professor X for sharing his knowledge with this class, some of which may be helpful to his students in the future. Particularly enlightening were his frequent forays into the difficulties of his youth - it’s always heartening to be reminded that we really have it good as youths today to avoid becoming jaded. It’s also valuable to be told how stupid we are when asking questions in class less we become too pushy in the real world and be thought rude. This will certainly aid us in our future success when dealing with condescending bosses who are clearly our superiors in every way.

Now that is some 1st class snark. My compliments.

442 The War TARDIS  Jun 18, 2015 1:00:21pm

re: #439 HappyWarrior

Same.

I know of Ian Smith and Rhodesia. But not the history of it.

443 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 1:00:36pm

re: #434 No Country For Old Haters

Maybe some white supremacist group he got involved in was into those flags. A lot of time they’re run by old guys who brainwash kids.

Yeah I was thinking that as a possibility. I definitely think he had some adult mentoring his bigotry. Now whether that was a parent, other relative, or an outside of the family bigot I dunno but I am genuinely curious about this. This is actually kind of sad. This kid was the same age (hell same exact age as they weirdly share birthdays) as my brother is now when Obama got elected.

444 aagcobb  Jun 18, 2015 1:00:40pm

re: #439 HappyWarrior

May well be but I am really curious about this. He definitely either had some parental or family influence on his bigotry or seriously educated himself. A lot of people do not know about the Rhodesia regime and Ian Smith. In fact, it’s something I myself barely know much about and history is my forte.

Some of us are old enough to remember when it was news!

445 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 1:00:49pm

re: #439 HappyWarrior

It’s merely niche knowledge that goes with the territory.

446 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 18, 2015 1:01:11pm

re: #430 HappyWarrior

Do we know anything about his upbringing yet? I am very interested in how a kid born in 1994 came to learn about the Apartheid regime and embrace it but also Rhodesia which is much more obscure. My original thought was that his parents or a parent was from South Africa but it doesn’t seem to be the case.

I wonder if him and some friends decided it was the “cool” way to be racist without obviously appearing racist.

448 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 1:02:01pm

re: #442 The War TARDIS

Same.

I know of Ian Smith and Rhodesia. But not the history of it.

Yeah I had heard a little of him before he passed away but Apartheid is more remembered because of people like Nelson Mandela, Steve Biko, and Desmond Tutu. Rhodesia I think sadly gets forgotten a little since Zimbabwe ended up getting Mugabe instead of Mandela after all those years of oppression.

449 Dr Lizardo  Jun 18, 2015 1:02:11pm

re: #439 HappyWarrior

May well be but I am really curious about this. He definitely either had some parental or family influence on his bigotry or seriously educated himself. A lot of people do not know about the Rhodesia regime and Ian Smith. In fact, it’s something I myself barely know much about and history is my forte.

I only found about Rhodesia and Ian Smith as a result of some Wikiwalking one evening - it was somewhat related to a text I was proofreading, and the author had made a mistake.

It’s not all that well-known - sort of a footnote in the history books.

450 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 1:02:24pm

re: #439 HappyWarrior

Sort of like, most people don’t know what Prussian blue is, and the context of the reference. But you’re a neo-Nazi, you probably do.

451 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 1:02:30pm

re: #444 aagcobb

Some of us are old enough to remember when it was news!

Do you want me to get off your lawn now or later?

452 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 1:03:13pm

re: #449 Dr Lizardo

I only found about Rhodesia and Ian Smith as a result of some Wikiwalking one evening - it was somewhat related to a text I was proofreading, and the author had made a mistake.

It’s not all that well-known - sort of a footnote in the history books.

It’s because of that I try to read wiki as often as I can. I know wiki is not a perfect source but it’s a good way of learning about things that you may otherwise not know about. Yes, I read Wikipedia on the pot.

453 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 18, 2015 1:03:15pm

re: #430 HappyWarrior

Do we know anything about his upbringing yet? I am very interested in how a kid born in 1994 came to learn about the Apartheid regime and embrace it but also Rhodesia which is much more obscure. My original thought was that his parents or a parent was from South Africa but it doesn’t seem to be the case.

This.

I knew about Rhodesia since my parents were missionaries to Zimbebwe after Mugebe and ZANU/PF came to power (not really an improvement on the Ian Smith Regime), but that whole thing was decades ago.

454 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 1:03:21pm

re: #447 Nyet

The best thing is that France seized the RT assets.

455 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 1:03:54pm

re: #438 allegro

I wish to commend Professor X for sharing his knowledge with this class, some of which may be helpful to his students in the future. Particularly enlightening were his frequent forays into the difficulties of his youth - it’s always heartening to be reminded that we really have it good as youths today to avoid becoming jaded. It’s also valuable to be told how stupid we are when asking questions in class less we become too pushy in the real world and be thought rude. This will certainly aid us in our future success when dealing with condescending bosses who are clearly our superiors in every way.

Now that’s snarky! I hope you never review me ;>

456 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2015 1:04:08pm

re: #451 HappyWarrior

Do you want me to get off your lawn now or later?

Mow it first, please.
Thanks!

457 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 18, 2015 1:04:13pm

Survived my presentation, thought it went well although I was the last presenter and the kids were ready to get out of there. There were also some technical snafus, the person more or less in charge of coordinating things had to leave early, and one of the presenters didn’t realize he needed to keep clicking the clicker thing or else the computer just timed him out and his slides disappeared. Kind of a mess. Wouldn’t have been impressed if I was in the audience.

458 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 1:05:09pm

re: #446 Feline Fearless Leader

I wonder if him and some friends decided it was the “cool” way to be racist without obviously appearing racist.

That’s a possibility too. A more sly way of flying the CSA flag which they know would piss off their black classmates but Apartheid South Africa and especially Rhodesia. I actually have a flag in my room- Irish brigade flag that some guy working on the house mistook for an IRA flag. He told my grandmother apparently and I just had to laugh at that since Thomas Francis Meagher and the 69th New York were around long before Arthur Griffin even founded Sinn Fein. But that’s another history rambling for another day.

459 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2015 1:05:19pm

good grief:

460 Dr Lizardo  Jun 18, 2015 1:05:45pm

re: #452 HappyWarrior

It’s because of that I try to read wiki as often as I can. I know wiki is not a perfect source but it’s a good way of learning about things that you may otherwise not know about. Yes, I read Wikipedia on the pot.

I agree; Wikipedia isn’t perfect, to be sure, but it’s something I like to read. They have some good articles about otherwise obscure things/people/events.

461 Amory Blaine  Jun 18, 2015 1:06:19pm

re: #258 Kragar

Shooting for the title of the dumbest clown in the car. Randy has stiff competition.

462 OhNoZombies!  Jun 18, 2015 1:06:22pm

It seems perfectly appropriate for the stars and bars to be flapping around up there after this massacre.
The perfect symbol.

463 Timothy Watson  Jun 18, 2015 1:06:48pm

re: #459 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief:

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…did Drudge join the Scientology movement?

464 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2015 1:07:09pm
465 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 1:07:15pm

re: #459 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief:

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And wouldn’t you know it? The link is to InfoWars.

466 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 1:07:16pm

re: #453 Aunty Entity Dragon

This.

I knew about Rhodesia since my parents were missionaries to Zimbebwe after Mugebe and ZANU/PF came to power (not really an improvement on the Ian Smith Regime), but that whole thing was decades ago.

I am thinking that he either had an important adult role model pushing this on him or he was an intellectually curious kid who read and learned more about them and found out it was something he admired. I guess a lefty version would be having the flag of the Spanish Republic. Not that I am comparing the Spanish Republic at all to Ian Smith’s Rhodesia here mind you, I am saying that would be an example of a similar obscure thing that someone would have to take the time to research. And as I said, I myself have the Irish Brigade’s flag in my own room.

467 Amory Blaine  Jun 18, 2015 1:07:19pm

re: #423 Nyet

“Plaintiff, did you just shit on the floor?”

468 The War TARDIS  Jun 18, 2015 1:07:21pm

re: #447 Nyet

They are getting ballsy.

469 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 1:07:35pm

re: #459 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief:

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Drudge can go fuck himself.

470 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 18, 2015 1:07:42pm

re: #438 allegro

last December, I was invited to write a recommendation letter for one of the history faculty at Guilford to recieve a prestigious department award. I was rather flattered that I was one of the alumni tapped to participate.

471 ramex  Jun 18, 2015 1:08:18pm

Here’s a bunch of comments concerning the name “Storm.” It doesn’t really offer any insights, but it seems to be not an entirely uncommon name to be given.

472 The War TARDIS  Jun 18, 2015 1:08:33pm

re: #459 Backwoods_Sleuth

I do wonder how plausible it would be to hack into the Drudge Report, and destroy it.

473 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 1:08:52pm

re: #464 Backwoods_Sleuth

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How the hell can you plan something like that? And that means to me that I don’t think mental illness was a factor. This strikes me as a cold, calculated plan. Having some mental issues myself, mental issues are more characterized by impulsiveness. I ought to know. I’m the most impulsive person I know.

474 Timothy Watson  Jun 18, 2015 1:08:54pm

re: #464 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Awfully nice of you to call the police you loathsome piece of shit.

475 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2015 1:09:51pm
476 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 1:10:04pm

re: #471 ramex

Here’s a bunch of comments concerning the name “Storm.” It doesn’t really offer any insights, but it seems to be not an entirely uncommon name to be given.

I recall an Orioles pitcher named Storm Davis. I think that was a nickname. For what it’s worth, Wolf is a name that Hitler apparently loved to call himself and this is a name that my brother loves too and my brother is about the furthest thing from a white supremacist there is.

477 Dr Lizardo  Jun 18, 2015 1:10:11pm

re: #465 Targetpractice

And wouldn’t you know it? The link is to InfoWars.

Drudge pushes InfoWars/Prison Planet/Alex Jones in general quite a bit - it’s sickening, frankly. It makes him no better than Jeff Rense or the other wackos.

478 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 18, 2015 1:10:17pm

re: #469 HappyWarrior

Drudge can go fuck himself.

Sideways with a baseball bat wrapped in barbedwire and lubed with icy-hot.

479 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 1:10:39pm

re: #478 Aunty Entity Dragon

Sideways with a baseball bat wrapped in barbwire and lubed with icy-hot.

That sounds painful, he might like that.

480 Kid A  Jun 18, 2015 1:11:28pm

Sean Hannity: “It appears that there may have been some racism involved.”

May. Some.

FFS

481 ramex  Jun 18, 2015 1:12:22pm

re: #476 HappyWarrior

Names such as Storm and Wolf also have a slightly hippie feel to them.

482 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 1:12:22pm

re: #472 The War TARDIS

I do wonder how plausible it would be to hack into the Drudge Report, and destroy it.

Probably not too hard, but imposing your will on others via criminal action is not OK.

483 Timothy Watson  Jun 18, 2015 1:12:37pm

Alright, I hate Office 2013, can I get 2007 back? Actually, 2003 would be even better.

484 wrenchwench  Jun 18, 2015 1:13:00pm

[…]

The rocks against our backs were slimy with algae. Our feet sank in the silt. Dog Man sat on the pool’s rocky edge, all of us in a small circle.

“You like grass?” Dog Man asked, pulling a shopping bag full of weed from his backpack.
[…]

485 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 1:13:01pm

re: #445 Nyet

It’s merely niche knowledge that goes with the territory.

Indeed it is but I am wondering how it was pressed on him. I mean I knew racist kids when I was a kid too but most of them wouldn’t know about this. The CSA flag and Swastika of course but Rhodesia and Apartheid SA. He definitely either had an interest in this stuff early on or someone pushing him towards it or equally likely a little bit of both.

486 Amory Blaine  Jun 18, 2015 1:13:08pm

“Drudge is my go to site”

*vomit

487 EPR-radar  Jun 18, 2015 1:13:11pm

re: #473 HappyWarrior

How the hell can you plan something like that? And that means to me that I don’t think mental illness was a factor. This strikes me as a cold, calculated plan. Having some mental issues myself, mental issues are more characterized by impulsiveness. I ought to know. I’m the most impulsive person I know.

You plan something like this if you are evil and high-functioning. Since neither of these points is dispositive either way on possible mental issues, I really wish random chatter (especially on the MSM) would stop this useless speculation about insanity etc.

488 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 1:13:15pm

(Highly contextual:) The infamous Russian hacker “Hell” was finally caught in Germany.

489 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 1:13:28pm

re: #480 Kid A

Sean Hannity: “It appears that their may have been some racism involved.”

May. Some.

FFS

Yeah just a little Sean. Just like your pal Hal was just a “little” racist.

490 allegro  Jun 18, 2015 1:13:29pm

re: #440 Timothy Watson

re: #441 Bubblehead II

re: #455 No Country For Old Haters

Thank you, thank you. I always feel one should find the positives and acknowledge them.

491 Dr Lizardo  Jun 18, 2015 1:13:32pm

re: #476 HappyWarrior

I recall an Orioles pitcher named Storm Davis. I think that was a nickname. For what it’s worth, Wolf is a name that Hitler apparently loved to call himself and this is a name that my brother loves too and my brother is about the furthest thing from a white supremacist there is.

IIRC, it was because his name Adolf came from “Adalwolf” or “Athalwolf”, meaning ‘noble wolf’ in Old High German. One of his aliases was “Herr Wolf”.

492 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 1:13:45pm

re: #480 Kid A

Sean Hannity: “It appears that their may have been some racism involved.”

May. Some.

FFS

Ya don’t say!

////

493 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 18, 2015 1:14:46pm

re: #480 Kid A

Sean Hannity: “It appears that their may have been some racism involved.”

May. Some.

FFS

And you know who was real racist and KKK? The Democrat Party. Did you know MLK and Frederick Douglas were Republicans?

494 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 1:14:52pm

re: #483 Timothy Watson

Alright, I hate Office 2013, can I get 2007 back? Actually, 2003 would be even better.

Getting a new version of Office when transitioning from XP to 7 really messed me up. I used to be able to pick which instance of Excel a file would be open in by clicking Excel before clicking on the spreadsheet file. This does not work anymore, they all open in the same instance unless I open them from in Excel.

495 Kid A  Jun 18, 2015 1:15:08pm

For fuck sake, the shooting was not a tragedy!!!!

496 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 1:15:11pm

re: #487 EPR-radar

You plan something like this if you are evil and high-functioning. Since neither of these points is dispositive either way on possible mental issues, I really wish random chatter (especially on the MSM) would stop this useless speculation about insanity etc.

I hate it. People with mental issues are far more likely to be the victims of violence than commit it themselves. And yes this shows a high functioning mind. I mean I sort of do get why they do this narrative. By making the murderer mentally ill, it becomes easier to make him an outcast and an “other” when in reality he’s probably a kid that anyone of us could have known growing up or a playmate of our children.

497 Lidane  Jun 18, 2015 1:15:12pm

Oh fun. The COO has called an all hands on deck, mandatory company meeting in 90 minutes about The Client Who Shall Not Be Named.

On the one hand, eek. OTOH, I overheard him say my name and say that I need to be brought in to work on TCWSNBN because of my organizational skillz. Also I have time on my hands since my clients in Mexico are still busy celebrating their win and are planning their next moves.

498 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2015 1:15:17pm
499 EPR-radar  Jun 18, 2015 1:15:45pm

re: #478 Aunty Entity Dragon

Sideways with a baseball bat wrapped in barbwire and lubed with icy-hot.

That seems a bit too kind to me. I think chainsaw is more appropriate.

500 Obdicut (Now with 2% less brain)  Jun 18, 2015 1:15:46pm

re: #464 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Then, roommate, why the fuck didn’t you tell someone?

501 Kid A  Jun 18, 2015 1:16:29pm
502 Dr Lizardo  Jun 18, 2015 1:16:32pm

re: #480 Kid A

Sean Hannity: “It appears that their may have been some racism involved.”

May. Some.

FFS

503 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 1:16:43pm

re: #491 Dr Lizardo

IIRC, it was because his name Adolf came from “Adalwolf” or “Athalwolf”, meaning ‘noble wolf’ in Old High German. One of his aliases was “Herr Wolf”.

Yeah that’s right. And his sister ended up using Wolff as her alias so she wouldn’t get bothered. My brother OTOH just loves wolves and finds them ot be beautiful animals. I am the same way about orangutans and dolphins. His spirit animal would be a wolf and mine one of those two. So yeah I think the Storm is just a name at this moment.

504 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2015 1:17:55pm
505 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 1:19:11pm

re: #504 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Not the Onion?

506 Timothy Watson  Jun 18, 2015 1:19:48pm

re: #494 No Country For Old Haters

Getting a new version of Office when transitioning from XP to 7 really messed me up. I used to be able to pick which instance of Excel a file would be open in by clicking Excel before clicking on the spreadsheet file. This does not work anymore, they all open in the same instance unless I open them from in Excel.

I had to get Office 2013 because of a database assignment using Access 2013 for an Accounting Information Systems course. Some of the specs he wants us to build a database to include data types they just added in 2013, so I was SOL.

(Don’t ask me why college students are just being taught database stuff in a junior level course, I’m bored senseless, having required to take a class on Access in community college and having worked with MySQL databases for years).

507 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 1:20:08pm

re: #502 Dr Lizardo

That’s just creepy.

508 Timothy Watson  Jun 18, 2015 1:20:59pm

re: #504 Backwoods_Sleuth

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FFS, that’s real. Figured it had to be a fake.
huffingtonpost.com

509 makeitstop  Jun 18, 2015 1:21:02pm

re: #477 Dr Lizardo

Drudge pushes InfoWars/Prison Planet/Alex Jones in general quite a bit - it’s sickening, frankly. It makes him no better than Jeff Rense or the other wackos.

The easiest way for nutjobs like Jones to get ‘mainstreamed’ is to be linked from Drudge.

And I think Drudge knows this.

510 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 18, 2015 1:21:15pm

re: #497 Lidane

OTOH, I overheard him say my name and say that I need to be brought in to work on TCWSNBN because of my organizational skillz

No good deed goes unpunished.

511 Tigger2  Jun 18, 2015 1:21:38pm

re: #504 Backwoods_Sleuth

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There’s is no makes them look bad to it, They’re asswipes to begin with.

512 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2015 1:22:45pm
513 The War TARDIS  Jun 18, 2015 1:23:07pm

re: #482 No Country For Old Haters

I wouldn’t do it.

Maybe anonymous though.

514 Bubblehead II  Jun 18, 2015 1:23:33pm

re: #472 The War TARDIS

I do wonder how plausible it would be to hack into the Drudge Report, and destroy it.

Not cool man. Not cool at all.

515 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 1:23:49pm

re: #508 Timothy Watson

FFS, that’s real. Figured it had to be a fake.
huffingtonpost.com

Irony:
The site’s members also took umbrage with what they perceived to be racial profiling against white people by the police. “Picking up whiteys who fit the bill in the area,” posted member Craig Cobb above a screenshot of a local news report about a young white man being taken into police custody. “[H]e is hardly a prime suspect—just within a few blocks maybe, ha.”

516 Kid A  Jun 18, 2015 1:24:04pm

And now some handkerchief head on Hannity just blamed the reaction to the shooting on our country’s “race sensitivity.”

517 Dr Lizardo  Jun 18, 2015 1:24:12pm

re: #509 makeitstop

The easiest way for nutjobs like Jones to get ‘mainstreamed’ is to be linked from Drudge.

And I think Drudge knows this.

Yeah. In a sane and rational world, Jones would never be ‘mainstreamed’. I showed a video of one Jones’ rants to my students not long ago, and one of them piped up “Why is this man not in a mental institution? He’s clearly insane.”

518 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 1:24:35pm

re: #512 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Assholes.

519 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 1:24:55pm

re: #516 Kid A

And now some handkerchief head on Hannity just blamed the reaction to the shooting on our country’s “race sensitivity.”

Oh what the fucking fuck already.

520 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 1:25:41pm

re: #511 Tigger2

There’s is no makes them look bad it it, They are asswipes to begin with.

It’s like when the KKK tried to complain about the Phelps clan picketting funerals. It’s like uh yeah you’re still the Klan/white supremacist assholes.

521 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 1:25:45pm

re: #517 Dr Lizardo

Yeah. In a sane and rational world, Jones would never be ‘mainstreamed’. I showed a video of one Jones’ rants to my students not long ago, and one of them piped up “Why is this man not in a mental institution? He’s clearly insane.”

Because of Reagan probably. He put a lot of crazies back on the streets. My cynical side tends to believe it’s because mentally ill people are reliable Republican voters.

522 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 18, 2015 1:26:37pm

re: #385 Kragar

Rick Santorum thinks white Charleston shooter chose victims at black church ‘indiscriminately

In one sense he is right, the assailant would have seen any black churchgoer as a viable target…

523 Bear  Jun 18, 2015 1:26:58pm

Good call.
This morning the weather report predicted 100% chance of rain by 12. A bit of mist started here a few minutes before 12 and by 12 it was raining!!

524 gwangung  Jun 18, 2015 1:28:00pm

re: #522 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

In one sense he is right, the assailant would have seen any black churchgoer as a viable target…

And vulnerable. He didn’t go into what he thought would be the hood. He went to a church where he KNEW they’d be vulnerable.

525 OhNoZombies!  Jun 18, 2015 1:29:18pm

re: #472 The War TARDIS

I do wonder how plausible it would be to hack into the Drudge Report, and destroy it.

That would just feed into their persecution argument.
Plus, we need them to keep posting in order to keep an eye on the crazy.

526 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 18, 2015 1:29:28pm

re: #524 gwangung

And vulnerable. He didn’t go into what he thought would be the hood. He went to a church where he KNEW they’d be vulnerable.

Nobody is calling it an act of cowardice, which it was in that respect.

527 Jenner7  Jun 18, 2015 1:29:29pm

I listened to Hannity for about 10 minutes. Caller after caller: If someone in that church had a gun, I guarantee 9 people wouldn’t be dead.

The last caller, because I couldn’t take it anymore, said that the reason those people are dead is because no one there had a gun.

Nope. Nope. Nope.

Lie.

FALSE.

These people were murdered for the color of their skin. Period.

528 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 1:29:33pm

re: #524 gwangung

And vulnerable. He didn’t go into what he thought would be the hood. He went to a church where he KNEW they’d be vulnerable.

Someone on Twitter was saying that. Cowardly little fuck. The most disturbing thing I have read is that he prayed with them and then began firing. It would actually be less disturbing to me if he had just gone in guns blazing. Not that it would be any better you see but it to me is just disturbing that he probably was actually cordial with the victims before he murdered them.

529 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 1:30:53pm

re: #527 Jenner7

I listened to Hannity for about 10 minutes. Caller after caller: If someone in that church had a gun, I guarantee 9 people wouldn’t be dead.

The last caller, because I couldn’t take it anymore, said that the reason those people are dead is because no one there had a gun.

Nope. Nope. Nope.

Lie.

FALSE.

These people were murdered for the color of their skin. Period.

I would like them to explain how you’re expected to have a loaded gun on hand and ready during a Bible study. These people profess to understand guns but I am convinced more and more that most “gun nuts” actually do not understand guns at all.

530 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 1:31:56pm

re: #527 Jenner7

I listened to Hannity for about 10 minutes

Without throwing your radio out the window?

531 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 1:31:57pm

Really even if the state allowed guns in church, who the fuck are they to say that Reverend Pinckney wouldn’t have prohibited guns from his church and he would have been reasonable to do so. More guns is not the answer. More guns is why 9 people are dead.

532 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 1:32:23pm

re: #530 No Country For Old Haters

Without throwing your radio out the window?

I was going to say without committing yourself but I wanted to be nice.

533 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 1:32:59pm

re: #529 HappyWarrior

I would like them to explain how you’re expected to have a loaded gun on hand and ready during a Bible study. These people profess to understand guns but I am convinced more and more that most “gun nuts” actually do not understand guns at all.

I’d post a picture of a bible-gun, or a gun hidden in a carved-out bible, but I’m not looking that up from work.

534 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 18, 2015 1:33:09pm

re: #527 Jenner7

I listened to Hannity for about 10 minutes. Caller after caller: If someone in that church had a gun, I guarantee 9 people wouldn’t be dead.

The last caller, because I couldn’t take it anymore, said that the reason those people are dead is because no one there had a gun.

Nope. Nope. Nope.

Lie.

FALSE.

These people were murdered for the color of their skin. Period.

If there had been someone there trained in the use of a firearm in a crisis situation, there might have been fewer deaths, but the notion that randomly arming the populace will make us safer is sick.

535 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jun 18, 2015 1:33:40pm

re: #521 No Country For Old Haters

Because of Reagan probably. He put a lot of crazies back on the streets. My cynical side tends to believe it’s because mentally ill people are reliable Republican voters.

Mental health professionals advocated discontinuing the practice of detaining people just because they were “crazy”. Reagan had nothing to do with it, and probably would have opposed it. People who are a danger to themselves and to others can be involuntarily hospitalized (that’s the standard). I think if the roommate had come forward this is probably what would have happened.

536 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 1:34:15pm

re: #533 No Country For Old Haters

I’d post a picture of a bible-gun, or a gun hidden in a carved-out bible, but I’m not looking that up from work.

I think I did that in Hitman once.//

537 ramex  Jun 18, 2015 1:34:24pm

What are the wingnuts saying about this country they claim to love so much if they actually believe the only way we can guarantee our personal safety is to carry a gun? And that, of course, means putting down the money to buy a gun. That sounds like a tax!

538 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 1:35:17pm

re: #537 ramex

What are the wingnuts saying about this country they claim to love so much if they actually believe the only way we can guarantee our personal safety is to carry a gun? And that, of course, means putting down the money to buy a gun. That sounds like a tax!

If it goes to an NRA-approved death-merchant it’s not a tax.

539 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 1:35:19pm

re: #537 ramex

What are the wingnuts saying about this country they claim to love so much if they actually believe the only way we can guarantee our personal safety is to carry a gun? And that, of course, means putting down the money to buy a gun. That sounds like a tax!

Government should provide guns to everyone. //

540 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jun 18, 2015 1:35:20pm

re: #534 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Randomly armed citizens may mitigate mass shooting like this, but imagine all of the accidental shootings every time a black guy reached for his wallet.

541 WhatEVs  Jun 18, 2015 1:35:58pm

re: #382 Timothy Watson

There’s one paragraph on page 2.

And smatterings throughout:

69. The statements described in 64 through 66 (and paragraphs 17-27 and 38-54,) were published online and circulated around the entire United States. The statements were intentionally made available to and read by the general public in the state of Missouri.

70. By his online publication of the statements described in paragraphs 66 through 64 (and paragraphs 17-27 and 38-54,), Defendant Trotter intentionally targeted the state of Missouri and knew or should have known that residents of the state of Missouri would read the statements

542 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 18, 2015 1:37:06pm

re: #540 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Randomly armed citizens may mitigate mass shooting like this, but imagine all of the accidental shootings every time a black guy reached for his wallet.

That was my point about being trained to use them in public. If you want to defend yourself at home, that is your right, but we are not only projecting but forcing that right into the public sphere

543 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 1:37:39pm

re: #539 HappyWarrior

Government should provide guns to everyone. //

Everyone who joins a well-regulated militia. I’m sure that won’t be a problem for the wingnuts.

544 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 18, 2015 1:37:42pm

re: #537 ramex

What are the wingnuts saying about this country they claim to love so much if they actually believe the only way we can guarantee our personal safety is to carry a gun? And that, of course, means putting down the money to buy a gun. That sounds like a tax!

Kennesaw, GA has a law on the books requiring heads of households to own at least one gun with ammo.

545 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2015 1:38:22pm

I don’t get people who blithely ignore shit like this. If someone you know says they’re going to start a race war and then kill themselves, you can call the police and request a wellness check gets done on their fucked up ass.

America doesn’t have a mental health problem, it has a people not wanting to get involved problem, an ignoring scary shit problem.

546 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 18, 2015 1:38:32pm

re: #544 Feline Fearless Leader

Kennesaw, GA has a law on the books requiring heads of households to own at least one gun with ammo.

For that, the taxpayers are spared the expense of maintaining a police department…

547 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 1:38:34pm

re: #544 Feline Fearless Leader

Kennesaw, GA has a law on the books requiring heads of households to own at least one gun with ammo.

Yeah I’m never moving there.

548 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 1:39:38pm

re: #544 Feline Fearless Leader

Kennesaw, GA has a law on the books requiring heads of households to own at least one gun with ammo.

That’s totally insane. I might have killed myself when going through a really bad time with severe clinical depression about 5-years ago if I had a gun. Anyone harmed by these required guns is the fault of gun-nuts in government.

549 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 1:39:41pm

re: #545 goddamnedfrank

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I don’t get people who blithely ignore shit like this. If someone you know says they’re going to start a race war and then kill themselves, you can call the police and request a wellness check gets done on their fucked up ass.

America doesn’t have a mental health problem, it has a people not wanting to get involved problem, an ignoring scary shit problem.

How the hell do you not say anything to the police? Sheesh. He talks about his now former roommate’s beliefs as if they were beliefs on trivial matters.

550 OhNoZombies!  Jun 18, 2015 1:40:26pm

re: #545 goddamnedfrank

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I don’t get people who blithely ignore shit like this. If someone you know says they’re going to start a race war and then kill themselves, you can call the police and request a wellness check gets done on their fucked up ass.

America doesn’t have a mental health problem, it has a people not wanting to get involved problem, an ignoring scary shit problem.

I say birds of a feather.

551 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 1:40:26pm

re: #548 No Country For Old Haters

That’s totally insane. I might have killed myself when going through a really bad time with severe clinical depression about 5-years ago if I had a gun. Anyone harmed by these required guns is the fault of gun-nuts in government.

That actually is part of why I am never going to be armed. As I said I’m impulsive and I already do suffer from some depression and anxiety issues.

552 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 18, 2015 1:40:28pm

re: #547 HappyWarrior

Yeah I’m never moving there.

I think another aspect of that law was to keep people like us out.

553 Timothy Watson  Jun 18, 2015 1:41:17pm

re: #544 Feline Fearless Leader

Kennesaw, GA has a law on the books requiring heads of households to own at least one gun with ammo.

And they paid out $1.8 million in a racial discrimination lawsuit in 2009.

554 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 1:41:25pm

re: #552 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I think another aspect of that law was to keep people like us out.

What a forced belief in God or Reagan because outside of that they’d probably never know that I am a dirty liberal though then again right now I got the beard.

555 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 1:41:42pm

re: #553 Timothy Watson

And they paid out $1.8 million in a racial discrimination lawsuit in 2009.

Gee that can’t be related can it?

556 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2015 1:41:48pm
557 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 1:43:25pm

re: #551 HappyWarrior

That actually is part of why I am never going to be armed. As I said I’m impulsive and I already do suffer from some depression and anxiety issues.

It’s a big part of why I’m not armed. Also, I live in a decent neighborhood.

60-mg Celexa daily fixed my anxiety issues completely. I’m totally self-confident now, perhaps to a dangerous degree. I can socialize without any fear or delusions of inadequacy these days.

558 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 1:43:33pm

re: #556 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I imagine he pleads out and will probably avoid the DP.

559 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 1:44:22pm

re: #557 No Country For Old Haters

It’s a big part of why I’m not armed. Also, I live in a decent neighborhood.

60-mg Celexa daily fixed my anxiety issues completely. I’m totally self-confident now, perhaps to a dangerous degree. I can socialize without any fear or delusions of inadequacy these days.

Yeah that too. I also don’t feel afraid of the people around me and that doesn’t change whether I’m in D.C or out here in the burbs.

560 Slap  Jun 18, 2015 1:44:36pm

There’s such a cognitive dissonance at work amongst the supremacist crowd. A few years back, a local white nationalist was murdered by a more extreme skinhead here in the Sacramento area. In the article, a person speaking of the deceased said, “well, sure he was a white supremacist — BUT HE WAS NO RACIST”.

It still makes me shake my head….

561 OhNoZombies!  Jun 18, 2015 1:44:46pm

re: #556 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The only question the local media had was, “why did you do it?”
Really?!?!

562 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 1:45:25pm

re: #560 Slap

There’s such a cognitive dissonance at work amongst the supremacist crowd. A few years back, a local white nationalist was murdered by a more extreme skinhead here in the Sacramento area. In the article, a person speaking of the deceased said, “well, sure he was a white supremacist — BUT HE WAS NO RACIST”.

It still makes me shake my head….

What in the fuck.

563 allegro  Jun 18, 2015 1:46:00pm

re: #545 goddamnedfrank

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I don’t get people who blithely ignore shit like this. If someone you know says they’re going to start a race war and then kill themselves, you can call the police and request a wellness check gets done on their fucked up ass.

America doesn’t have a mental health problem, it has a people not wanting to get involved problem, an ignoring scary shit problem.

His roommate was also probably 20 years old who no doubt thought the guy was just talking shit. I gotta give the kid a break.

Roof Sr who gave the guy the gun? No excuses.

564 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 1:46:45pm

re: #560 Slap

There’s such a cognitive dissonance at work amongst the supremacist crowd. A few years back, a local white nationalist was murdered by a more extreme skinhead here in the Sacramento area. In the article, a person speaking of the deceased said, “well, sure he was a white supremacist — BUT HE WAS NO RACIST”.

It still makes me shake my head….

I think that’s from being really racist themselves, but understanding that that it’s not socially acceptable anymore, so they claim they’re just defending their race like the NAACP defends African Americans. Of course it’s bullshit.

565 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 1:47:06pm

re: #563 allegro

His roommate was also probably 20 years old who no doubt thought the guy was just talking shit. I gotta give the kid a break.

Roof Sr who gave the guy the gun? No excuses.

Yeah the uncle or whatever relative gave him the kid deserves more flack. Still though if someone starts talking about Civil War, it’s definitely something I’d be alarmed about.

566 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 18, 2015 1:47:35pm

re: #545 goddamnedfrank

“He was big into segregation…”

21 years old.

567 BeachDem  Jun 18, 2015 1:48:19pm

re: #223 Targetpractice

Because this is his constituency. He got the shit scared out of him last year when he ran for reelection, so he’s gonna butter them up however he can. By avoiding any mention of race and portraying this as an attack on Christians, he gets a two-fer.

That’s may be the excuse often mentioned, but he really didn’t get the shit scared out of him. His closest competitor in the primary got a whopping 15% to Lindsey’s 57%, so he didn’t even have to have a runoff.

568 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 1:48:26pm

re: #564 No Country For Old Haters

I think that’s from being really racist themselves, but understanding that that it’s not socially acceptable anymore, so they claim they’re just defending their race like the NAACP defends African Americans. Of course it’s bullshit.

i’ve known right wingers who will tell you with a straight face that the NAACP or La Raza is the black and Latino version of the KKK. Ask them the last time either of those groups murdered or even assaulted someone for being white and you get “But but but Sharpton, Jackson.”

569 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 1:49:56pm

re: #566 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

“He was big into segregation…”

21 years old.

Yeah I saw that. See, that’s why I am a little cynical. I mean this generation is more progressive than others. It is, that is a fact but we’re not immune from having some of the worst bigots. It’s why frankly I am not hopeful about the generation of conservatives from my generation. And if you really look at the GOP candidates, you’ll see some of the most reactionary are those like Cruz, Jindal who aren’t exactly old men.

570 makeitstop  Jun 18, 2015 1:50:11pm

re: #541 WhatEVs

And smatterings throughout:

I saw a reference to how many Twitter followers one of the ‘defendants’ has in Missouri, too.

Thin gruel.

571 allegro  Jun 18, 2015 1:52:14pm

re: #565 HappyWarrior

Yeah the uncle or whatever relative gave him the kid deserves more flack. Still though if someone starts talking about Civil War, it’s definitely something I’d be alarmed about.

Can’t tell you how many at that age in the late 60s/early 70s talked of Revolution! but I never knew one who did anything to follow through. Now if one got real specific and started collecting bomb materials, it woukd have been a different story. We don’t know that the guy got that real with hus roommate.

572 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 1:53:35pm

re: #571 allegro

Can’t tell you how many at that age in the late 60s/early 70s talked of Revolution! but I never knew one who did anything to follow through. Now if one got real specific and started collecting bomb materials, it woukd have been a different story. We don’t know that the guy got that real with hus roommate.

Yeah true point.

573 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 1:56:06pm

Have this parents commented yet? We know about the uncle who it seems is the one who bought the gun.

574 BlueSpotinAL  Jun 18, 2015 1:59:38pm

re: #498 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Mary Rosh made him do it! en.wikipedia.org

575 Romantic Heretic  Jun 18, 2015 2:06:07pm

re: #558 HappyWarrior

I imagine he pleads out and will probably avoid the DP.

I’m betting that depends on how badly he wants to be a martyr.

576 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2015 2:17:03pm

re: #573 HappyWarrior

Have this parents commented yet? We know about the uncle who it seems is the one who bought the gun.

His uncle said it was a birthday gift from Dylann’s father.

577 piratedan  Jun 18, 2015 2:44:24pm

well let’s be clear…

nine people are dead…. needlessly so…

why?

Not because they weren’t armed…

They’re dead because someone, a young white male, who has been shown to wear symbols of racism on his facebook page, went into a church and shot them.

If hearsay is to be believed, he told them he was killing them because he feared that they were his enemy. That’s right, his enemy. Unarmed people in Bible Study were his enemy because of their skin color.

He didn’t pick up that reasoning due to liberals…

The conservatives are busy using Family Circus Billy on his way home logic.

There are essentially two fucking dots here.

He’s sporting clothes and accessories that show him to be a racist and then he planned and murdered nine Black people.

578 TedStriker  Jun 18, 2015 4:43:25pm

re: #228 The Vicious Babushka

I remember about 8 years ago a shooter attacked a church in Colorado and was stopped by an armed security guard.

Gun fuckers who would be all over this story don’t like to mention it because that same security guard was later thrown out of the church for being gay.

Funny, that.

579 TedStriker  Jun 18, 2015 4:55:32pm

re: #347 The War TARDIS

With as nasty as he is?

No, he will likely commit a mass shooting in the next year. If I were a Californian Mosque, I would have guards.

And, if I were our humble host, I would recommend staying a bit more vigilant and making sure that Mossberg’s good-to-go in the house, if he still has it.

580 TedStriker  Jun 18, 2015 5:01:55pm

re: #373 makeitstop

Upon a quick scan, I saw this:

36. Plaintiff Johnson repeatedly requested that Defendnant Howard publically retract his defamatory statements, but Defendant Johnson refused.

Chuck’s lawyer is every bit as sloppy as Chuck himself.

(BTW, Charles - if you’d rather not have us comment on this, just say so.)

Not only that, but also this little gem:

Defendnant Howard


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