Chuck Johnson’s Petition to Sue Gawker Media

He’s going to try to sue Gawker in … Missouri?
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Believe it or else, Chuck Johnson appears to be going through with his numerous threats to sue Gawker Media and several of their writers individually. Here’s a document leaked by someone (can you guess who might do this?) that lays out this laughable case. I hope you’re not drinking anything while you read this, but he’s asking the court to award him $20 million dollars from Gawker.

Note that it says he’s going to try to file this suit in Missouri, even though Missouri clearly doesn’t have jurisdiction over a case like this.

Warning: this document is extremely defamatory to Chuck C. Johnson. Read at your own risk.

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Gawker doesn’t seem too worried.

And by the way — Chuck Johnson also told the Daily Caller today that he’s planning to sue Little Green Footballs and Politico as well. Oh, and CNN and Carol Costello too. So LGF is in pretty good company here.

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235 comments
1 WhatEVs  Jun 18, 2015 1:43:15pm

Reading that paper is kind of amazing. Trying to get standing by randomly making reference to “people in MO” reading the Gawker stuff. And how it is written is just blow you away stupid.

It’s kind of amazing how bad it is.

2 wrenchwench  Jun 18, 2015 1:46:03pm

Chucky’s trying to shut down free speech!

3 Iwouldprefernotto  Jun 18, 2015 1:46:30pm

At least his lawsuit wasn’t written in crayon.

4 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 1:47:09pm

re: #3 Iwouldprefernotto

At least his lawsuit wasn’t written in crayon.

No, it just needs a teacher to go over it with a red ink pen, marking all the fuck-ups and saying things like “See me after class.”

5 Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2015 1:47:17pm

Adam Steinbaugh’s post tears this document apart.

Chuck Johnson Files Libel Lawsuit in Missouri for Some Reason.

6 WhatEVs  Jun 18, 2015 1:47:31pm

re: #2 wrenchwench

Chucky’s trying to shut down free speech!

If he’s basing standing on people reading it, he’d have had a better chance in the UK (although they would likely laugh him out of the Old Bay). Here? Stick a fork in it.

7 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 18, 2015 1:48:27pm

Is it an actual filing, or simply the latest piece of grift theater?

8 Jenner7  Jun 18, 2015 1:49:27pm

Sorry to go OT already, but wow. Really?

9 Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2015 1:49:58pm

re: #7 Feline Fearless Leader

Is it an actual filing, or simply the latest piece of grift theater?

There’s no evidence that it was actually filed yet.

10 b.d.  Jun 18, 2015 1:50:45pm

I remember that guy. He is the guy who poops on the floor isn’t he?

11 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 1:53:29pm

re: #7 Feline Fearless Leader

Is it an actual filing, or simply the latest piece of grift theater?

I think he figures he’ll scare Gawker into either paying him off or removing the articles by “leaking” this on the web.

12 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2015 1:54:47pm


Pffft!
13 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2015 1:56:11pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Adam Steinbaugh’s post tears this document apart.

Chuck Johnson Files Libel Lawsuit in Missouri for Some Reason.

heh:

First, Chuck Johnson is a public figure. He’s so well-known that when Twitter banned him, he didn’t learn about it by checking his email, but by turning on CNN to hear them talking about it.

14 Bubblehead II  Jun 18, 2015 1:56:56pm

re: #11 Targetpractice

I think he figures he’ll scare Gawker into either paying him off or removing the articles by “leaking” this on the web.

Yeah, I pretty much said the same thing downstairs when Charles first posted this. He’ll settle for a million and lawyers fees. Only problem is Gawker isn’t going to give him anything but a bill for their costs.

15 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 1:57:11pm

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh:

I have a real hard time believing that considering how much he tweeted.

16 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 18, 2015 1:59:25pm

Just seeing Got News on a legal document makes me laugh.

17 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2015 1:59:38pm

re: #15 HappyWarrior

I have a real hard time believing that considering how much he tweeted.

He was probably still asleep/passed out when he got banned and, when he woke up, CNN was probably on his TV, which he never turns off.

18 Bubblehead II  Jun 18, 2015 2:00:13pm

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh:

First, Chuck Johnson is a public figure. He’s so well-known that when Twitter banned him, he didn’t learn about it by checking his email, but by turning on CNN to hear them talking about it.

Really? Got a link to that? I could use a good laugh about now

19 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 2:00:44pm

If you don’t mind though regarding the shooting in Charleston last night, I think Roof definitely researched the church and was aware of its history considering that he had knowledge of the Rhodesian regime.

20 wrenchwench  Jun 18, 2015 2:00:52pm

The stupid haircut got him caught.

21 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 18, 2015 2:01:27pm

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

First, Chuck Johnson is a public figure. He’s so well-known that when Twitter banned him, he didn’t learn about it by checking his email, but by turning on CNN to hear them talking about it.

The. Summer. Of. Justice has begun.

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22 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 2:03:03pm

re: #20 wrenchwench

The stupid haircut got him caught.

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Whatever it took. Props to the tipster.

23 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2015 2:03:49pm
24 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 18, 2015 2:04:03pm

Little after 5 pm, another day/night about to leave work and it’s nearly pitch black outside, raining and looking like the end of the world.

Summer.

25 makeitstop  Jun 18, 2015 2:04:47pm

re: #8 Jenner7

Sorry to go OT already, but wow. Really?

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Zim’s daddy’s friends are making an example of that dude.

A message to anyone else who might want to pick a fight with poor George.

26 Dr. Matt  Jun 18, 2015 2:09:30pm

re: #8 Jenner7

Sorry to go OT already, but wow. Really?

SYG for me, but not for thee

27 Khal Wimpo  Jun 18, 2015 2:10:36pm

Step 1: File to remove case from Missouri to California, as CCJ and his company were, at all times relevant to the allegations at hand, primarily doing business in California.

Step 2: Pursuant to CAL. CCP. CODE § 425.16, defendants Gawker Media, LGF, et seq., file a special motion to strike.

Step 3: Judge takes a look at CCJ’s pleading papers.

Step 4: Judge laughs until he wets his robe.

Step 5: Judge dismisses CCJ’s case with prejudice and awards attorneys fees to defendants. Multiple defendants+complex case=treble damages. Judge additionally awards sanctions against CCJ.

Step 6: CCJ audibly projectile-shits on floor of courtroom.

Step 7: Defendants file motion to seize all assets & chattels, freeze all accounts. Granted.

(time lapse for Sheriffs to evict CCJ and Hot Asian Wife as movers carry everything out of house)

Step 8: CCJ seen pushing shopping cart full of Calvin Coolidge dolls around the streets of Fresno, twitching and talking to himself.

28 allegro  Jun 18, 2015 2:10:39pm

re: #25 makeitstop

Zim’s daddy’s friends are making an example of that dude.

A message to anyone else who might want to pick a fight with poor George.

Poor George is just a walking beam o’ sunshine, ain’t he? Kills a kid, beats up a few women, and now trashes another guy’s life while sauntering off untouched yet again. Charmed, I tells ya.

29 Romantic Heretic  Jun 18, 2015 2:11:01pm

Looking at those pictures it seems to me that it is starting to sink into Chuck’s tiny brain that he is a sad excuse for a human being. He looks frightened.

If he wasn’t such a douche I’d feel sad for him.

30 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2015 2:12:55pm

This makes Chucks threats and potential lawsuit hilarious. He’s the one who brought the allegation up. Howard only bothered to address it at all after Chuck contacted him with a totally random, preemptive denial.

31 William Lewis  Jun 18, 2015 2:13:42pm

re: #29 Romantic Heretic

Looking at those pictures it seems to me that it is starting to sink into Chuck’s tiny brain that he is a sad excuse for a human being. He looks frightened.

If he wasn’t such a douche I’d feel sad for him.

I don’t have any sympathy for him. It briefly passed my mind that I could see Upchuck going to Charleston and committing last nights crimes. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was sorry it wasn’t him.

32 Ace-o-aces  Jun 18, 2015 2:14:01pm

re: #8 Jenner7

Sorry to go OT already, but wow. Really?

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33 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 18, 2015 2:15:09pm

re: #27 Khal Wimpo

Step 5: Judge dismisses CCJ’s case with prejudice and awards attorneys fees to defendants. Multiple defendants+complex case=treble damages. Judge additionally awards sanctions against CCJ.

[ccj]Uh…OK, so when do I get my money?[/ccj]

34 De Kolta Chair  Jun 18, 2015 2:19:33pm
35 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2015 2:20:17pm

wow, there was a camera in the Bible study room:

(h/t Gus)

36 KingKenrod  Jun 18, 2015 2:23:37pm

re: #18 Bubblehead II

First, Chuck Johnson is a public figure. He’s so well-known that when Twitter banned him, he didn’t learn about it by checking his email, but by turning on CNN to hear them talking about it.

Really? Got a link to that? I could use a good laugh about now

If Chuck is the source for that story, it’s almost certainly a lie.

37 Khal Wimpo  Jun 18, 2015 2:23:38pm

re: #33 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

[ccj]Uh…OK, so when do I get my money?[/ccj]

He may indeed be that delusional. Personally, I think once Gawker files to remove this to Federal Court, there’s going to be a Come To Jesus talk by someone (mayhap one of the RWNJs who has legal experience & hasn’t snapped their tether to reality) to CCJ, featuring a brief discourse on All The Awful Things That Happen Next.

Been in the room when that talk has been given to delusional litigants. Always hard to keep a straight face. Afterwards, there is usually much highing of fives amongst the associates in the firm.

38 makeitstop  Jun 18, 2015 2:25:23pm

re: #28 allegro

Poor George is just a walking beam o’ sunshine, ain’t he? Kills a kid, beats up a few women, and now trashes another guy’s life while sauntering off untouched yet again. Charmed, I tells ya.

Having a former judge for a daddy pays, big time.

39 EPR-radar  Jun 18, 2015 2:29:34pm

re: #37 Khal Wimpo

He may indeed be that delusional. Personally, I think once Gawker files to remove this to Federal Court, there’s going to be a Come To Jesus talk by someone (mayhap one of the RWNJs who has legal experience & hasn’t snapped their tether to reality) to CCJ, featuring a brief discourse on All The Awful Things That Happen Next.

Been in the room when that talk has been given to delusional litigants. Always hard to keep a straight face. Afterwards, there is usually much highing of fives amongst the associates in the firm.

I’d like to see video of the moment CCJ realizes he needs to argue that he’s not a public figure in court to have any chance at all of prevailing. His ego won’t like that at all.

40 Khal Wimpo  Jun 18, 2015 2:30:27pm

OT, but just saw this photo of the Charleston douche. Pretty much says “angry white peckerwood loser.” Should be loads of fun as his internet browser history is dumped over the next few months. Wonder what forums he’s been posting at (side-eye at the Breitbart swamp).

Note: not a bruise on this guy. Contrast this with a black kid at a pool party.
41 allegro  Jun 18, 2015 2:32:05pm

re: #40 Khal Wimpo

OT, but just saw this photo of the Charleston douche. Pretty much says “angry white peckerwood loser.” Should be loads of fun as his internet browser history is dumped over the next few months. Wonder what forums he’s been posting at (side-eye at the Breitbart swamp).

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Is he wearing a bulletproof vest?

42 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2015 2:32:24pm

re: #41 allegro

Is he wearing a bulletproof vest?

yes

43 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2015 2:32:44pm

Hyacinth Bucket approves.

44 allegro  Jun 18, 2015 2:35:37pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hyacinth Bucket approves.

That answers my thought about his middle name, Storm, being family silliness. A family friend whose last name was Knott was given the middle name of Would. His brother’s middle name was Ought.

45 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 2:38:40pm

Heh:

While it would be par for the course for Chuck Johnson to threaten to sue himself for libel, Charles Johnson is a different blogger.

46 De Kolta Chair  Jun 18, 2015 2:41:47pm

It was inevitable (and a black op, natch)!

47 allegro  Jun 18, 2015 2:43:02pm

re: #46 De Kolta Chair

It was inevitable!

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So he’s admitting his and Fox news culpability? Interesting.

48 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 18, 2015 2:43:05pm

re: #46 De Kolta Chair

49 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2015 2:46:54pm

hahahahahahaaaaaa

50 #FergusonFireside  Jun 18, 2015 2:54:05pm

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

wow, there was a camera in the Bible study room:

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(h/t Gus)

It was snapchat by the deceased young man. His friend received it & gave it to CNN or someone.

51 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2015 2:54:56pm

re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth

hahahahahahaaaaaa

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The “at college” qualification is an interesting one.

52 Timothy Watson  Jun 18, 2015 2:57:35pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hyacinth Bucket approves.

53 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 18, 2015 2:58:12pm

It shouldn’t come as no surprise that the author of this pleading are the same persons who coughed up that hysterical demand letter to Twitter-the Burns Law firm.

Irony in the name of the firm, I’d say. “Burns”. Rest assured that if the Rage Furby decides to serve our Lizard in Chief, not only will the denizens spin up a campaign we’ll attempt to retain 1st Amendment badass Marc Randazza to teach CCJ a lesson-the 1st Amendment isn’t as absolute as you think it is.

54 Great White Snark  Jun 18, 2015 2:58:32pm

So should us Page Authors feel left out, not getting sued by Chucky? LOL. //

More seriously I must admit getting caught up in some far more serious interwebs kerfuffle that results in getting served to reply or fight a lawsuit keeps my mind a bit more temperate before I push that publish button.

55 De Kolta Chair  Jun 18, 2015 2:59:44pm

re: #48 GlutenFreeJesus

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;-) He sure likes saying “white people” a lot.

56 ObserverArt  Jun 18, 2015 3:00:47pm

re: #46 De Kolta Chair

It was inevitable!

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I was not familiar with the dude in the video, Paul Joseph Watson. So I did a search and found this article at Info Wars.

I’m not going to link it for reasons, if anyone wants to see it, then do a Google search on Watson and it is currently at the top of the page.

ANGEL SOFT AD WHICH DISPARAGES FATHERS GETS HUGE NEGATIVE BACKLASH
“Happy Father’s Day, Mom” commercial stokes boycott threats

An ad for Angel Soft toilet paper entitled Happy Father’s Day, Mom, which many assert disparages men, has received a huge backlash despite many leftist media outlets praising the commercial.

- -CUT—

It is always fun to see a Koch product commercial get labeled a good thing for leftists.

I think that is all I need to know about Paul Joseph Watson.

Already know too much about Jones.

57 Kid A  Jun 18, 2015 3:01:01pm

So there no proof that CCJ shat on the floor, peed in his girlfriend’s mouth, or shagged a sheep? Yeah, but can you, CCJ, prove that you didn’t?

58 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2015 3:02:37pm
59 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 18, 2015 3:08:38pm

re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth

60 CuriousLurker  Jun 18, 2015 3:12:46pm

I’m kinda gob smacked. I just went over to Newseum to see the front pages of the three major papers (at least in my mind), and not a single one of them has the Charleston church massacre on the front page. Not. A. Single. One.

New York Times
Los Angeles Times
Washington Post

Other papers: The Chicago Tribune is all about the Stanley Cup (party time!), the Boston Globe mentions it on the front page (but it’s below the fold and has no photo)…

The Denver Post and Boston Herald got it right, but I by then I’d gotten disgusted and quit looking. WTF, America? Way to let people know you care. //

Oh, and how about Charleston’s local paper, the Post and Courier putting a sticker advertising deals at a gun shop on their front page along with news about the attack? Yeah, they apologized, but WTFF??

I’m assuming that the deadlines for the print version of the next day’s paper are well after 9pm ET, when the attack started. Even if they aren’t, why in the hell isn’t something like this a “stop the presses!” event?

I just… *SIGH*

61 Timothy Watson  Jun 18, 2015 3:13:48pm

re: #60 CuriousLurker

I’m kinda gob smacked. I just went over to Newseum to see the front pages of the three major papers (at least in my mind), and not a single one of them has the Charleston church massacre on the front page. Not. A. Single. One.

New York Times
Los Angeles Times
Washington Post

Other papers: The Chicago Tribune is all about the Stanley Cup (party time!), the Boston Globe mentions it on the front page (but it’s below the fold and has no photo)…

The Denver Post and Boston Herald got it right, but I by then I’d gotten disgusted and quit looking. WTF, America? Way to let people know you care. //

Oh, and how about Charleston’s local paper, the Post and Courier putting a sticker advertising deals at a gun shop on their front page along with news about the attack? Yeah, they apologized, but WTFF??

I’m assuming that the deadlines for the print version of the next day’s paper are well after 9pm ET, when the attack started. Even if they aren’t, why in the hell isn’t something like this a “stop the presses!” event?

I just… *SIGH*

They might not have had time to prepare a story before they went to press. Stuff has to get to the printer, printed, and delivered within in a certain time. And when the story broke, there wasn’t a lot of information available.

62 CuriousLurker  Jun 18, 2015 3:16:07pm

re: #61 Timothy Watson

They might not have had time to prepare a story before they went to press.

Yeah, but like I said, wouldn’t something like this be a “stop the presses!” thing? And what about the LA Times? They’re three hours behind the East Coast—it was too late for them to put something together?

63 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 3:16:50pm

re: #58 goddamnedfrank

After even Nolte and Shapiro have called it terrorism, I’m not sure anyone even slightly legit denies it.

64 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 3:17:40pm

re: #62 CuriousLurker

Yeah, but like I said, wouldn’t something like this be a “stop the presses!” thing? And what about the LA Times? They’re three hours behind the East Coast—it was too late for them to put something together?

Maybe back in the olden days when print media ruled the earth, but that asteroid has fallen.

65 allegro  Jun 18, 2015 3:19:13pm

The story is all over our local news on TV right now. I think it was more of a deadline thing.

66 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 18, 2015 3:19:17pm
“………..Cmcalumna published false information about Johnson on Trotter First, cast him in a false light, and injured Johnson by stating as a matter of fact that Johnson publicly defecated in either the hallway or elevator of his dormitory in college.”

UpChuck and his buffoon lawyer think they can recover for this?

Now THAT is some funny shit!

67 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 3:21:16pm

Stay classy TCOT

68 wrenchwench  Jun 18, 2015 3:22:44pm

re: #64 The Vicious Babushka

Maybe back in the olden days when print media ruled the earth, but that asteroid has fallen.

Yesterday I followed the local rag on Twitter, today I see a tweet about an accident a block away, I go look out the front door, there it is! The less it matters, the better it’s covered by the papers.

69 Kid A  Jun 18, 2015 3:24:51pm
70 CuriousLurker  Jun 18, 2015 3:24:59pm

re: #64 The Vicious Babushka

Maybe back in the olden days when print media ruled the earth, but that asteroid has fallen.

I guess so, but I still think that if it had been an even deemed more important—like if Muslims had shot up a synagogue or the New Black Panthers had shot up a white church in the ‘burbs, it would be all over the print edition front pages, no matter the cost.

Call me a cynic, but I’m pretty sure it was not for nothing that the AQ terrorists chose to crash their planes into the WTC and not Harlem.

71 Egregious Philbin  Jun 18, 2015 3:25:00pm

His lawyers couldn’t even do a spellcheck? Rumermonger? Defenant?

SO…MUCH…GINGER…POOPING…ON….THE…FLOOR…FAIL….

72 Dr. Matt  Jun 18, 2015 3:25:31pm

Has DimJIm revealed Dylann Roof’s voting record yet?

73 #FergusonFireside  Jun 18, 2015 3:29:30pm

They apologized for the sticker.

But the sick irony was not lost and is actually a good thing - it put it out there so blatantly.

74 Timothy Watson  Jun 18, 2015 3:29:57pm

re: #71 Egregious Philbin

His lawyers couldn’t even do a spellcheck? Rumermonger? Defenant?

SO…MUCH…GINGER…POOPING…ON….THE…FLOOR…FAIL….

Fission Mailed?

75 allegro  Jun 18, 2015 3:31:42pm

Charleston Church is the lead story on NBC national news. The story is big and not being downplayed at all.

76 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2015 3:32:00pm
77 Kid A  Jun 18, 2015 3:33:13pm

So the big derp now is about Obama saying that this kind of violence doesn’t happen in other countries. They, of course, leave out the next sentence where Obama said that it doesn’t happen at this kind of frequency.

78 CuriousLurker  Jun 18, 2015 3:35:56pm

re: #73 #FergusonFireside

They apologized for the sticker.

Yes, I know and I mentioned that—read my initial comment again.

But the sick irony was not lost and is actually a good thing - it put it out there so blatantly.

If I thought it would make a difference I’d agree, but it won’t so I don’t. Sorry.

Anyway, I’m not on the mood to hear about that red-headed idiot or read breathtakingly stupid tweets from RWNJs in denial. Not today.

I’m gonna leave before I end up lashing out. I’ll try again tomorrow or whatever. Later, lizards.

79 WhatEVs  Jun 18, 2015 3:37:26pm

re: #57 Kid A

So there no proof that CCJ shat on the floor, peed in his girlfriend’s mouth, or shagged a sheep? Yeah, but can you, CCJ, prove that you didn’t?

I wonder if he took down that Conservative Whatever site he had at his school. I think there was something in the comments there…IIRC.

80 Bubblehead II  Jun 18, 2015 3:38:36pm

Night.

81 Mentis Fugit  Jun 18, 2015 3:39:47pm

re: #67 The Vicious Babushka

Stay classy TCOT

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Ya know what they call “Southern Democrat Throwbacks” these days?

Republicans.

#NotAllRepublicans (out of deference to DF) #ButFarOfTooManyOfThem (because even he knows it’s true)

82 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 3:39:54pm

re: #77 Kid A

So the big derp now is about Obama saying that this kind of violence doesn’t happen in other countries. They, of course, leave out the next sentence where Obama said that it doesn’t happen at this kind of frequency.

They can’t prop up their delusional worldview with facts, so out of context quotes from the good people that wingnuts consider the enemy will have to do.

83 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 3:42:07pm

re: #75 allegro

Charleston Church is the lead story on NBC national news. The story is big and not being downplayed at all.

And I’m not seeing anyone significant saying it’s not terrorism.

84 Dr. Matt  Jun 18, 2015 3:43:29pm

I hadn’t read this earlier. This is chilling:

A cousin of Mr. Pinckney who had spoken to a witness, Sylvia Johnson, told NBC that the gunman entered the church, asked for the pastor and sat next to him during Bible study before opening fire. “I have to do it,” he said, according to Ms. Johnson. “You rape our women and you’re taking over our country. And you have to go.” The shooting was being investigated as a hate crime. nytimes.com

85 weave  Jun 18, 2015 3:44:08pm

As previously mentioned, I work for a Black church. We just got an alert from “Christian Emergency Network.” They are referring to it as an attack on Christians and never mention race.

Last night, the African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina opened their doors during their routine Wednesday evening prayer time to someone with a troubled background. This individual was estranged from his family and was also known to law enforcement for a history of drug abuse, trespassing, and other offenses.

and…

There has been an increased incitement to violence within our culture today. When the Church opens their doors to people who have unstable backgrounds the Church may be putting their congregants in harm’s way. As persecution around the world increases the Church becomes an even more vulnerable “soft target” according to law enforcement. Churches must take responsibility for their own security while working with law enforcement to mitigate their community risks. CEN will show you how your church can do this effectively.

86 allegro  Jun 18, 2015 3:44:19pm

re: #83 Nyet

And I’m not seeing anyone significant saying it’s not terrorism.

I haven’t heard that specific word used yet, but the reporting is excellent, respectful, and moving as hell.

87 Great White Snark  Jun 18, 2015 3:44:53pm

re: #62 CuriousLurker

Yeah, but like I said, wouldn’t something like this be a “stop the presses!” thing? And what about the LA Times? They’re three hours behind the East Coast—it was too late for them to put something together?

‘Tis the disadvantage of real ink on paper. Honestly short of a nuclear explosion, I don’t think stop the presses will ever happen. More of a Hollywood movie thing. Even with file to plate technology.

If you look online it’s story #1. latimes.com

88 Khal Wimpo  Jun 18, 2015 3:46:00pm

re: #62 CuriousLurker

Yeah, but like I said, wouldn’t something like this be a “stop the presses!” thing? And what about the LA Times? They’re three hours behind the East Coast—it was too late for them to put something together?

Back in the good ol’ days - yeah, it woulda been done. Problem is: it costs money. Current owners are the Tribune Company (aka the Chicago Cubs dorks), and they won’t buy a gumball to improve the content. They’re even selling the LA Times building so they can take the cash, and then force the paper to rent back their own offices from the fucking crooks.

Nobody thought things could get worse after Sam Zell (aka “The Grave Dancer”) bought the Times by stealing the employees pension fund & using it to leverage his loans. They were wrong.

89 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 18, 2015 3:52:52pm

re: #85 weave

Gotta get the grift on, you know. Harder to convince white churches to shell out $$$ if they don’t feel targeted.

(I know your partners are not, but I suspect it went to a wide pool…)

90 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2015 3:53:52pm
91 Decatur Deb  Jun 18, 2015 3:54:28pm

Tonight’s threads are going to need a lot of good music.

92 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 18, 2015 3:58:29pm

Seems like I hit a nerve….

93 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 4:00:27pm

re: #88 Khal Wimpo

Back in the good ol’ days - yeah, it woulda been done. Problem is: it costs money. Current owners are the Tribune Company (aka the Chicago Cubs dorks), and they won’t buy a gumball to improve the content. They’re even selling the LA Times building so they can take the cash, and then force the paper to rent back their own offices from the fucking crooks.

Nobody thought things could get worse after Sam Zell (aka “The Grave Dancer”) bought the Times by stealing the employees pension fund & using it to leverage his loans. They were wrong.

You nailed it. Newspaper isn’t quite dead, but it’s been bleeding dollars for years. Several of my friends in newspaper advertising, at 2 different agencies, recently lost their jobs after 10-20 years of hard work.

I moved to a totally different field about 5 years ago, because I knew I couldn’t make a living in newspaper forever. I didn’t even look at newspaper agencies when seeking a new job, even though that was my background.

Video killed the radio star, and the Internet is killing print media.

94 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 4:00:47pm

So I just found out that the reason they can’t take the Confederate flag above the SC statehouse down to half-staff is because it’s not on a pulley, it’s fixed. And under state law, any flags approved by the state legislature to be up there can only be removed to be replaced unless a vote is held to take it down. In other words, they’d have to take a vote just to take the damned thing down.

95 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 4:02:51pm

re: #94 Targetpractice

I’m sure that’s by design. They know the Confederate flag disgusts many Americans, even in SC.

96 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 4:03:40pm

re: #95 No Country For Old Haters

I’m sure that’s by design. They know the Confederate flag disgusts many Americans, even in SC.

Oh, I’ve no doubt. Can’t have no Yankee-lovin’ governor comin’ in and ordering the damned thing taken down. It’s part of our “heritage” as Southern folk!

//////

97 dell*nix  Jun 18, 2015 4:06:13pm

re: #40 Khal Wimpo

Looks like he crawled out of the swamp in the picture in the previous story.

98 dell*nix  Jun 18, 2015 4:07:40pm

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not very well adjusted though.

99 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2015 4:07:46pm

MrBWS is home. My birthday plants got a little overheated from being shut up inside his truck since yesterday, so they are now in the open bed of the pickup enjoying a nice rainfall.

Tomorrow, I start re-potting and arranging.
Yay, me!!!

100 WhatEVs  Jun 18, 2015 4:08:45pm

Someone help me out if I read this wrong (it’s very short - see link below).

Mr. Burns (yeessssss?) uses State ex rel. Selimanovic v. Dierker on page 2 of this petition for a jury trial for Chucky v Gawker, yet if you read the case law - which, btw, is for legal malpractice (Oh, Irony! You sly dog!) - for a wrongful change of venue, holding that the venue should not have been allowed to be changed by the court because of where the tort “injury” (or “trauma or exposure occurred”) first happened.

How on earth that applies to Johnson v Gawker for proper venue? Is there proof that the first person reading the Gawker article lived in MO? Is this what his attorney is claiming?

The ongoing bitch and moan about people commenting on the Gawker article absolutely crack me up. It’s all…”MOM! THEY’RE SAYING BAD THINGS ABOUT MEEEEEEEEE!”

In Trotter First, a number of anonymous, non-initiating content creators defamed, falsely portrayed, and injured Plaintiffs.

Shortly after the initial section of Trotter First was published on gawker.com, several of such anonymous content creators published defamatory content on Trotter First.

One such anonymous content creator, “Cmcalumna,” claimed to have attended college with Johnson. Cmcalumna published false information about Johnson on Trotter First, cast him in a false light, and injured Johnson by stating as a matter of fact that Johnson publicly defecated in either the hallway or elevator of his dormitory in college.

Defendant Trotter incited and solicited additional false, injurious and defamatory comments from Cmcalumna as well as other content creators on Trotter First.

Some anonymous content creators begged Defendant Trotter to write an article about the defamatory matters discussed by Cmcalumna, but Trotter informed the individual that Defendant Howard had already written, and initiated/published, on or about the afternoon of December 9, 2014, a stand-alone writing on deadspin.com, entitled, “Wait, Did Clowntroll Blogger Chuck Johnson Shit On The Floor One Time?” (hereafter, “Howard First”).

Prior to Defendant Howard publishing Howard First, Plaintiff Johnson emailed Defendant Howard and categorically denied that incident that was the basis for the article’s title ever occurred.

In Howard First, Defendant Howard also created content amongst other non-initiating content-creators, soliciting information from them as well as adopting and advertising defamatory content published by
Cmcalumna on the Trotter First website, encouraging other readers and content creators to view the defamatory statements by hyperlinking to
Cmcalumna’s published content. (“I’ll tell you what. There is some good-ass kinja to be had re: Chuck shitting on the floor one time over at Gawker [hyperlink inserted into the text]”).

Seriously, way too funny.

101 mroop  Jun 18, 2015 4:10:32pm
I see a tweet about an accident a block away, I go look out the front door, there it is!

This is the best.

102 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2015 4:11:05pm
103 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 4:11:51pm

re: #94 Targetpractice

Wasn’t that a compromise in which they took the flag down from the state capitol and put it on that pole instead?

104 wrenchwench  Jun 18, 2015 4:13:01pm

re: #94 Targetpractice

So I just found out that the reason they can’t take the Confederate flag above the SC statehouse down to half-staff is because it’s not on a pulley, it’s fixed. And under state law, any flags approved by the state legislature to be up there can only be removed to be replaced unless a vote is held to take it down. In other words, they’d have to take a vote just to take the damned thing down.

Tear down the whole statehouse.

105 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 4:13:24pm

re: #103 Nyet

Wasn’t that a compromise in which they took the flag down from the state capitol and put it on that pole instead?

I’d not heard that bit.

106 Skip Intro  Jun 18, 2015 4:13:42pm

Chuck’s Hot Asian Wife must be so proud of her little man.

107 mroop  Jun 18, 2015 4:13:58pm

Burns Law Firm! These peeps are dead meat.

108 Skip Intro  Jun 18, 2015 4:14:55pm

re: #104 wrenchwench

Tear down the whole statehouse.

Be good target practice for the local Air National Guard.

109 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 4:15:56pm

re: #105 Targetpractice

Display at South Carolina’s state capitol[edit]

The South Carolina State House, site of the 2000 controversy
On April 12, 2000, the South Carolina State Senate passed a bill to remove the Confederate flag from the top of the State House dome by a majority vote of 36 to 7. Originally placed there in 1961,[45] “the new bill specified that a more traditional version of the battle flag would be flown in front of the Capitol next to a monument honoring fallen Confederate soldiers”. The bill also passed the state’s House of Representatives, but not without some difficulty. On May 18, 2000, after the bill was modified to ensure that the height of the flag’s new pole would be 30 feet (9 m),[why?] it was passed by a majority of 66 to 43. Governor Jim Hodges signed the bill into law five days later after it passed the state Senate. On July 1, 2000 the flag was removed from atop the State House by two students (one white and one black) from The Citadel, and placed on a monument on the front lawn of the capitol. Current state law prohibits the flag’s removal from the State House grounds without additional legislation.

110 wrenchwench  Jun 18, 2015 4:16:46pm

re: #108 Skip Intro

Be good target practice for the local Air National Guard.

Get ‘em some DRONES!

111 thedopefishlives  Jun 18, 2015 4:17:39pm

Evening Lizardim from the calm, clear, and beautiful wild north country. How go things among the lizardfolk?

112 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 4:18:03pm

re: #109 Nyet

Half-measure, but still an improvement over the earlier state of affairs. And currently unsustainable.

In this sense reminds me of DADT.

113 weave  Jun 18, 2015 4:20:33pm

re: #89 klys (maker of Silmarils)
(I know your partners are not, but I suspect it went to a wide pool…)

Yeah, it went to a wide pool. I really don’t like a lot of the “we’re so persecuted” scare tactics that go around, but due diligence no matter what type of organization or belief a place has is always warranted. There’s always someone out there that hates you.

114 The War TARDIS  Jun 18, 2015 4:20:45pm

re: #101 mroop

That’s amazing.

115 Great White Snark  Jun 18, 2015 4:21:10pm

re: #110 wrenchwench

Get ‘em some DRONES!

Just occurs a drone could remove that flag. Nice sharp quadcopter blades…. Then fly off with the damnable thing.

116 wrenchwench  Jun 18, 2015 4:22:18pm

re: #115 Great White Snark

Just occurs a drone could remove that flag. Nice sharp quadcopter blades…. Then fly off with the damnable thing.

Can it work as a shredder while it flies?

117 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2015 4:22:28pm
118 The War TARDIS  Jun 18, 2015 4:23:24pm

re: #115 Great White Snark

I would think the drone hitting something would cause it to crash.

re: #108 Skip Intro

No, but how about Stone Mountain in Georgia.

That is probably the best place for target practice in the US.

119 makeitstop  Jun 18, 2015 4:23:50pm

re: #117 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I see Gawker is scurred now. :)

120 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 4:24:51pm

re: #115 Great White Snark

Just occurs a drone could remove that flag. Nice sharp quadcopter blades…. Then fly off with the damnable thing.

That would be illegal, wrong, and hilarious.

121 Great White Snark  Jun 18, 2015 4:26:11pm

re: #118 The War TARDIS

If it takes out the flag in the process, then it’s a worthy sacrifice. Half kidding anyway. But hey deployable scissors!

122 wrenchwench  Jun 18, 2015 4:27:06pm

re: #120 No Country For Old Haters

That would be illegal, wrong, and hilarious.

One of the few times illegal is not wrong. Yes to the hilarious part.

123 dell*nix  Jun 18, 2015 4:28:49pm

re: #108 Skip Intro

Used to be you could be banned for advocating violence here. Might want to consider that in your wording.

124 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 4:29:19pm

re: #117 Backwoods_Sleuth

Mere reenactment of all that shit is probably illegal in 40 states. //

125 wrenchwench  Jun 18, 2015 4:30:06pm

re: #123 dell*nix

Used to be you could be banned for advocating violence here. Might want to consider that in your wording.

I think that applied to violence against people, not buildings.

126 OhNoZombies!  Jun 18, 2015 4:30:40pm

re: #123 dell*nix

Used to be you could be banned for advocating violence here. Might want to consider that in your wording.

I think the building would be empty.

127 thedopefishlives  Jun 18, 2015 4:31:16pm

re: #125 wrenchwench

I think that applied to violence against people, not buildings.

Hey, if corporations are people, then buildings are people, too.////

128 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2015 4:31:39pm
129 #FergusonFireside  Jun 18, 2015 4:31:52pm

re: #100 WhatEVs

Someone help me out if I read this wrong (it’s very short - see link below).

Mr. Burns (yeessssss?) uses State ex rel. Selimanovic v. Dierker on page 2 of this petition for a jury trial for Chucky v Gawker, yet if you read the case law - which, btw, is for legal malpractice (Oh, Irony! You sly dog!) - for a wrongful change of venue, holding that the venue should not have been allowed to be changed by the court because of where the tort “injury” (or “trauma or exposure occurred”) first happened.

How on earth that applies to Johnson v Gawker for proper venue? Is there proof that the first person reading the Gawker article lived in MO? Is this what his attorney is claiming?

The ongoing bitch and moan about people commenting on the Gawker article absolutely crack me up. It’s all…”MOM! THEY’RE SAYING BAD THINGS ABOUT MEEEEEEEEE!”

Seriously, way too funny.

Is he suing for blog comments? oh my.

130 dell*nix  Jun 18, 2015 4:32:43pm

re: #126 OhNoZombies!

No cleaning staff or guards? Still, caution should be used as that post could wind up on the stalker site.

131 psddluva4evah  Jun 18, 2015 4:34:59pm

ICYMI: SC Congressman James Clyburn at AME Prayer vigil (Video)

msnbc.com

132 wrenchwench  Jun 18, 2015 4:35:53pm

re: #130 dell*nix

No cleaning staff or guards? Still, caution should be used as that post could wind up on the stalker site.

I am for tearing down the South Carolina statehouse if it has a confederate flag affixed to it and it is empty of all humans.

133 OhNoZombies!  Jun 18, 2015 4:36:46pm

re: #130 dell*nix

No cleaning staff or guards? Still, caution should be used as that post could wind up on the stalker site.

Well, in the imaginary world where the Air National Guard would take out a government building, I say no people…rats maybe, but no people.
Point taken, however.

134 Great White Snark  Jun 18, 2015 4:37:13pm

re: #122 wrenchwench

re: #124 Nyet

re: #120 No Country For Old Haters

Sedition is no longer illegal. I’m fine with that. But a confederate flag on a government building is (legal) sedition. It’s a statement to me that the government flying that flag is not united with the other states of America, that people owning and abusing humans is a legitimate culture in today’s world.

The message I get from that flag on an old pickup truck is one thing. Bad enough already. The message given by that same flag at a state capitol is a declaration these United States of America should not exist. That our serving president could or should be shackled to unpaid slave labor.

If Arizona could lose the Superbowl over gay rights, why can’t southern states that proudly fly the wrong damned flag be similarly shunned by pro sports and corporations? Should they not be held literally accountable?

Somebody call the NFL, Los Angeles could use a formerly rebel football team.

135 #FergusonFireside  Jun 18, 2015 4:37:23pm

re: #103 Nyet

Wasn’t that a compromise in which they took the flag down from the state capitol and put it on that pole instead?

Yeah. If you call it that.

What is sticking with me HARD today is the per Happy Warrior, the stars & bars wasn’t flown much, especially in government situations until its revival during the civil rights movement.

If anything makes it more obvious that that flag is a racist hate totem.

136 WhatEVs  Jun 18, 2015 4:37:58pm

re: #129 #FergusonFireside

Is he suing for blog comments? oh my.

Partially.

By adopting, endorsing, advertising, responding to, interacting with, and directing additional content-creators, readers, and others to such defamatory, false, misleading, and injurious content created by a non-initiating content creator, Defendants Howard and Gawker formally adopted and are liable for, all of Cmcalumna’s (ED: a commmentor) content published on Trotter First and Howard First. (ED: two human defendants)

137 wrenchwench  Jun 18, 2015 4:38:37pm

re: #134 Great White Snark

Sedition is no longer illegal. I’m fine with that. But a confederate flag on a government building is (legal) sedition. It’s a statement to me that the government flying that flag is not united with the other states of America, that people owning and abusing humans is a legitimate culture in today’s world.

The message I get from that flag on an old pickup truck is one thing. Bad enough already. The message given by that same flag at a state capitol is a declaration these United States of America should not exist. That our serving president could or should be shackled to unpaid slave labor.

If Arizona could lose the Superbowl over gay rights, why can’t southern states that proudly fly the wrong damned flag be similarly shunned by pro sports and corporations? Should they not be held literally accountable?

Somebody call the NFL, Los Angeles could use a formerly rebel football team.

Boycott racism!

138 dell*nix  Jun 18, 2015 4:41:41pm

re: #134 Great White Snark

Might want to consult with lawhawk on the fall out from that in the legal sense.

139 WhatEVs  Jun 18, 2015 4:42:28pm

This is beyond funny. This is from Chuck’s lawerly dude (from the petition):

36. Plaintiff Johnson repeatedly requested that Defendnant (sic) Howard publically (sic) retract his defamatory statements, but Defendant Johnson refused.

Not only is this clown attorney beyond the ability to use pronouns, he can’t even get the WHO of who he is writing about straight. And we won’t even discussion spelling.

140 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2015 4:42:55pm

re: #136 WhatEVs

By adopting, endorsing, advertising, responding to, interacting with, and directing additional content-creators, readers, and others to such defamatory, false, misleading, and injurious content created by a non-initiating content creator, Defendants Howard and Gawker formally adopted and are liable for, all of Cmcalumna’s (ED: a commmentor) content published on Trotter First and Howard First. (ED: two human defendants)

Except, again, Howard wouldn’t have had any reason to write about the floor shitting allegations at all if Chuck hadn’t pre-emptively brought them up himself in followup correspondence, after the interview was over. Chuck in effect created this entire story himself. “You bring it up, you get to talk about it,” might be the one consistent rule of all internet dialog.

141 wrenchwench  Jun 18, 2015 4:44:05pm

re: #138 dell*nix

Might want to consult with lawhawk on the fall out from that in the legal sense.

Boycotts are legal.

142 Great White Snark  Jun 18, 2015 4:44:30pm

re: #137 wrenchwench

I was thinking of you earlier today, your riding and bike shop. I just avoided hurting a bike rider today. He was between a bus and the SUV I was driving. Then the bus drifted out of his lane maybe to avoid something on the street in his way. But had I not moved into thankfully empty oncoming lanes I’m sure there would have been a accident. The guy would have been caught between us and gone down. Yikes. He stopped, I pulled over and we just looked at each other like wow that was close. He waved a thanks and I drove on. Broadway in dtown Los Angeles.

143 psddluva4evah  Jun 18, 2015 4:45:21pm

Here’s a shorter clip of Congressman Clyburn.

“People of ill will in our society, make a much better use of their time than those of good will. We will be made to repent not just for bad people…but the silence of good people. I come here today to beg you, when you leave these hallowed halls…please break your silence. Speak up! “

144 Great White Snark  Jun 18, 2015 4:46:13pm

re: #138 dell*nix

Might want to consult with lawhawk on the fall out from that in the legal sense.

Hmmm, maybe poor phrasing by me here. By legal I mean not illegal, but still moral, cultural and political sedition.And the NFL can famously do as it pleases with franchises. Much by my frustration vis a vis LA. .

145 blueraven  Jun 18, 2015 4:48:16pm

re: #92 Eric The Fruit Bat

Seems like I hit a nerve….

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whacked out poofter?

146 wrenchwench  Jun 18, 2015 4:48:44pm

re: #142 Great White Snark

I was thinking of you earlier today, your riding and bike shop. I just avoided hurting a bike rider today. He was between a bus and the SUV I was driving. Then the bus drifted out of his lane maybe to avoid something on the street in his way. But had I not moved into thankfully empty oncoming lanes I’m sure there would have been a accident. The guy would have been caught between us and gone down. Yikes. He stopped, I pulled over and we just looked at each other like wow that was close. He waved a thanks and I drove on. Broadway in dtown Los Angeles.

Good (and lucky) maneuver!

I’m just walking, as I was when I was hit, and more pedestrians are hurt by cars than are cyclists. We all gotta watch out!

147 WhatEVs  Jun 18, 2015 4:49:06pm

LMAO!

Discussing a rumor (“Rumor 1: Johnson shit on the floor in college”), Defendant Trotter then reported that two of Johnson’s college classmates, writing anonymously on Gawker, had stated as a matter of fact that Johnson had defecated publicly at college. Trotter then purported to quote from, and hyperlinked to, various publications on Trotter First by two anonymous, non-initiating content-creators: Cmcalumna and ChekhovsGum(ItsGonnaPop!)

However, Defendant Trotter acknowledged that ChekhovsGum(ItsGonnaPop!) did not make such a statement about public defecation actually occurring. Rather, ChekhovsGum(ItsGonnaPop!) stated that while some person did in fact defecate in the dormitory, several years ago, it was not Johnson, and that any attribution to Johnson was out of extreme spite.

So…which anonymous, non-initiating content-creator are you going to believe? Huh? HUH?

I so wish Lawhawk was here. His take would be priceless.

148 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 4:51:04pm

Dana is Derping & stamping her little high heeled fuckme shoes
HURR HURR HE SHOULDNTA HAD A GUN!!!! TEH LAWS WE HAV NOW SAID HE COULDNTA HAD A GUN!!!! TEH CRIMINALZ DONTS FOLLOW TEH LAWS!!!!!

149 thedopefishlives  Jun 18, 2015 4:51:42pm

re: #148 The Vicious Babushka

Dana is Derping & stamping her little high heeled fuckme shoes
HURR HURR HE SHOULDNTA HAD A GUN!!!! TEH LAWS WE HAV NOW SAID HE COULDNTA HAD A GUN!!!! TEH CRIMINALZ DONTS FOLLOW TEH LAWS!!!!!

Funny, isn’t that usually the wingnuts’ answer to suggestions of gun control? IF GUNS ARE OUTLAWED, ONLY OUTLAWS WILL HAVE GUNZZZ!!!

150 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 4:53:38pm

re: #148 The Vicious Babushka

Dana is Derping & stamping her little high heeled fuckme shoes
HURR HURR HE SHOULDNTA HAD A GUN!!!! TEH LAWS WE HAV NOW SAID HE COULDNTA HAD A GUN!!!! TEH CRIMINALZ DONTS FOLLOW TEH LAWS!!!!!

Thing is, last I checked, Roof hadn’t been convicted of anything that would bar him from owning a gun. So what she’s arguing is that it should be lawful to bar people who have not been convicted of any crimes from owning a gun.

151 dell*nix  Jun 18, 2015 4:54:49pm

re: #144 Great White Snark

The tone of the phrasing seemed a little off to me, But then that could be a misreading on my part. Which happens more than often enough lately.

152 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 4:55:44pm

re: #150 Targetpractice

Thing is, last I checked, Roof hadn’t been convicted of anything that would bar him from owning a gun. So what she’s arguing is that it should be lawful to bar people who have not been convicted of any crimes from owning a gun.

153 bratwurst  Jun 18, 2015 4:56:15pm

Suggestion: each and every writer who has authored a “think piece” drawing parallels between Caitlyn Jenner and Rachel Dolezal should have their keyboards taken away for at least a year.

154 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2015 4:57:35pm

heh

155 PhillyPretzel  Jun 18, 2015 4:59:44pm

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

His “royal” wiper.

156 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 5:00:38pm

re: #152 The Vicious Babushka

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I’m not sure Dana gets that, whichever way you slice it, this doesn’t look good for “responsible gun owners.” Either his father broke the law in purchasing a gun for him, or he stole a gun from his mother when that should have been impossible if she’d properly locked it up as we’re told “responsible gun owners” do.

157 DodgerFan1988  Jun 18, 2015 5:02:24pm

Hell freezes over! Bill O’Reilly calls South Carolina church shooting an act of terrorism.

158 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2015 5:03:02pm

The press coverage of the massacre in Charleston, SC last night is depressingly predictable. The murderous racist madman is being treated with kid gloves, major press outlets won’t even use the word “racism” in their coverage.

You know something people? I’m not black but there’s a whole lot of times I wish I could say I’m not white.

—Frank Zappa

159 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 5:04:17pm

re: #157 DodgerFan1988

Hell freezes over! Bill O’Reilly calls South Carolina church shooting an act of terrorism.

I’m sure there’s a “But…” in there somewhere, because there always is. Don’t be surprised if he suggests its an act of terrorism against Christians.

160 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 18, 2015 5:05:39pm

re: #145 blueraven

Outsourced to Monty Python.

161 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 18, 2015 5:05:45pm

I feel like part of what we are watching is the end result of a culture that encourages an attitude of entitlement towards firearm ownership with no restrictions whatsoever.* If the law disagrees with that, well, that law is for other people. Real criminals. People with real mental illnesses.

I don’t know how to fix this. I’m not certain, right now, that there is a way to fix it.

* Yes, thank you, I am aware of the second amendment. If you think that’s what I’m talking about, I’m not sure this conversation would be productive and I’m not going to indulge in it.

162 DodgerFan1988  Jun 18, 2015 5:08:05pm

re: #159 Targetpractice

Yep. He just went there. Acussing liberals of exploiting the tragedy to play the race card.

163 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 5:08:33pm

re: #161 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I feel like part of what we are watching is the end result of a culture that encourages an attitude of entitlement towards firearm ownership with no restrictions whatsoever.* If the law disagrees with that, well, that law is for other people. Real criminals. People with real mental illnesses.

I don’t know how to fix this. I’m not certain, right now, that there is a way to fix it.

* Yes, thank you, I am aware of the second amendment. If you think that’s what I’m talking about, I’m not sure this conversation would be productive and I’m not going to indulge in it.

I got a good whiff of that attitude earlier. A wingnut declared to me that “shall not be infringed” means anything goes with gun ownership. When I asked if that meant he believes we can own whatever we like, he agreed it did. Then I asked if he believed criminals and the mentally ill could own guns, at which point he decided that the problem is we couldn’t keep those people locked up.

164 The War TARDIS  Jun 18, 2015 5:08:56pm

re: #158 teleskiguy

Man, I agree with Mr Zappa here.

165 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 5:09:24pm

re: #162 DodgerFan1988

Yep. He just went there. Acussing liberals of exploiting the tragedy to play the race card.

My surprise, etc.

166 thedopefishlives  Jun 18, 2015 5:10:15pm

re: #161 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I feel like part of what we are watching is the end result of a culture that encourages an attitude of entitlement towards firearm ownership with no restrictions whatsoever.* If the law disagrees with that, well, that law is for other people. Real criminals. People with real mental illnesses.

I don’t know how to fix this. I’m not certain, right now, that there is a way to fix it.

* Yes, thank you, I am aware of the second amendment. If you think that’s what I’m talking about, I’m not sure this conversation would be productive and I’m not going to indulge in it.

Honestly, it’s an entitlement culture about everything, not just firearms. Americans are conditioned to believe that they deserve whatever they want. There are a lot of self-centered people out there who are “chasing the American dream”.

167 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 5:12:16pm
168 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 5:14:37pm

re: #167 The Vicious Babushka

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It’s like I said earlier, if he had more melanin, he’d be a “thug” with a “rap sheet” who no doubt killed people as part of a gang.

169 ObserverArt  Jun 18, 2015 5:15:15pm

re: #157 DodgerFan1988

Hell freezes over! Bill O’Reilly calls South Carolina church shooting an act of terrorism.

Did he use that to not say it was racist?

Interesting in the way FOX climbs all over Obama because he refuses to call ISIS an inspired Muslim religion problem, yet FOX seems to be having a hard time saying any of what happened last night in an African American church a racism problem.

Just doing the FOX dance.

170 OhNoZombies!  Jun 18, 2015 5:15:48pm

re: #168 Targetpractice

It’s like I said earlier, if he had more melanin, he’d be a “thug” with a “rap sheet” who no doubt killed people as part of a gang.

Which is exactly what he is.

171 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 5:15:52pm

Congregation was unarmed
HURR HURR GUN FREE ZONE SITTING DUCKS!!!!!!

Congregation was armed, took out the shooter
HURR HURR THUGS GUN DOWN INNOCENT WHITE BOY WHO JUST WANTED TO MAKE FRIENDS & STUDY BIBLE!!!!

172 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2015 5:16:54pm

re: #161 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The second amendment has been perverted by people who make mountains of money selling firearms. My reading of it is that the state cannot infringe on well-regulated militias, which, duh, militias are armed so the state cannot infringe on those well-regulated militias’ arms. The perverted reading comes when individuals are declaring themselves well-regulated militias and arm themselves to the teeth, burying caches of ammunition in their backyards. An absolutist reading of the second amendment would say that I am a militia and I can procure shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles because of the second amendment.

The text is outdated. And over 200 years of different readings of the text, this is what we’ve come to. 11,000 (I don’t know, is it more these days?) gun deaths a year and something on the order of 300 million guns floating around in the United States.

173 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2015 5:18:16pm

re: #164 The War TARDIS

Man, I agree with Mr Zappa here.

Listen to his music. Start from the beginning. An album called “Freak Out!” That’s actually a lyric from one of the songs on that album.

174 ObserverArt  Jun 18, 2015 5:18:16pm

re: #161 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I feel like part of what we are watching is the end result of a culture that encourages an attitude of entitlement towards firearm ownership with no restrictions whatsoever.* If the law disagrees with that, well, that law is for other people. Real criminals. People with real mental illnesses.

I don’t know how to fix this. I’m not certain, right now, that there is a way to fix it.

* Yes, thank you, I am aware of the second amendment. If you think that’s what I’m talking about, I’m not sure this conversation would be productive and I’m not going to indulge in it.

Sure would be nice if some day you would be able to type your first sentence and leave out the word result.

175 thedopefishlives  Jun 18, 2015 5:21:59pm

re: #172 teleskiguy

The original intent - if we are to play literalist for a minute - was to ensure that an event like the Revolutionary War, which sprang from farmers and woodsmen forming organized militias with their home arms, could be re-enacted should a tyrannical government come into play. The problem here is that a hypothetical tyrannical government would control military power of such unfathomable magnitude that it is unrealistic to expect a “home militia” of armed citizen-soldiers to be able to overcome it. I agree that the Second Amendment, as written, is outdated. I do think that there is nothing wrong with properly regulated gun ownership, but this whole ANYTHING GOES BECAUSE SECOND AMENDMENT has got to stop. Even the so-called “literalists” have gotten away from the literal meaning of the text.

176 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 5:23:35pm

re: #175 thedopefishlives

The original intent - if we are to play literalist for a minute - was to ensure that an event like the Revolutionary War, which sprang from farmers and woodsmen forming organized militias with their home arms, could be re-enacted should a tyrannical government come into play. The problem here is that a hypothetical tyrannical government would control military power of such unfathomable magnitude that it is unrealistic to expect a “home militia” of armed citizen-soldiers to be able to overcome it. I agree that the Second Amendment, as written, is outdated. I do think that there is nothing wrong with properly regulated gun ownership, but this whole ANYTHING GOES BECAUSE SECOND AMENDMENT has got to stop. Even the so-called “literalists” have gotten away from the literal meaning of the text.

They keep skipping the “well-regulated” part and jumping straight to the “shall not be infringed” part.

177 Decatur Deb  Jun 18, 2015 5:25:09pm

re: #161 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I feel like part of what we are watching is the end result of a culture that encourages an attitude of entitlement towards firearm ownership with no restrictions whatsoever.* If the law disagrees with that, well, that law is for other people. Real criminals. People with real mental illnesses.

I don’t know how to fix this. I’m not certain, right now, that there is a way to fix it.

* Yes, thank you, I am aware of the second amendment. If you think that’s what I’m talking about, I’m not sure this conversation would be productive and I’m not going to indulge in it.

We think we can fix our laws without fixing our people. Doesn’t work that way in a democracy.

178 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 18, 2015 5:31:21pm

re: #177 Decatur Deb

We think we can fix our laws without fixing our people. Doesn’t work that way in a democracy.

We tried that with Prohibition. Uh, whoops.

179 thedopefishlives  Jun 18, 2015 5:31:38pm

re: #178 Eric The Fruit Bat

We tried that with Prohibition. Uh, whoops.

That is a great example.

180 calochortus  Jun 18, 2015 5:31:59pm

re: #166 thedopefishlives

Honestly, it’s an entitlement culture about everything, not just firearms. Americans are conditioned to believe that they deserve whatever they want. There are a lot of self-centered people out there who are “chasing the American dream”.

If I have to sit through another commercial for some stupid thing that tells me “you deserve to have this,” I’m going to scream.
You know it will happen, so get your earplugs ready now.

Why do I deserve a fancy car, or the trip of a lifetime, or whatever, when the poor in the US, let alone much of the rest of the world apparently don’t deserve nutritious food or good medical care?

181 thedopefishlives  Jun 18, 2015 5:34:48pm

re: #180 calochortus

If I have to sit through another commercial for some stupid thing that tells me “you deserve to have this,” I’m going to scream.
You know it will happen, so get your earplugs ready now.

Why do I deserve a fancy car, or the trip of a lifetime, or whatever, when the poor in the US, let alone much of the rest of the world apparently don’t deserve nutritious food or good medical care?

I don’t deserve any of the luxuries I enjoy. I had to work damn hard for them, and I appreciate them all the more for it. That’s how it should be. If we don’t appreciate our luxuries, if we take them for granted, then we get complacent and apathetic. And that leads to a broken society.

182 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 5:36:03pm

re: #181 thedopefishlives

I don’t deserve any of the luxuries I enjoy. I had to work damn hard for them, and I appreciate them all the more for it. That’s how it should be. If we don’t appreciate our luxuries, if we take them for granted, then we get complacent and apathetic. And that leads to a broken society.

Well I think that people who work deserve to be paid a living wage, not just enough to keep from starving.

183 Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2015 5:36:13pm

The latest beta version of the front page reboot now has brand new icons for the Spy, email, print, and favorite functions.

littlegreenfootballs.com

184 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2015 5:36:21pm

I’m glad, to a small degree, that we have UpChuck to kick around a little tonight.

But that atrocity in Charleston. I’m at a loss. Six blacks and two whites were killed when Rosewood, FL burned to the ground in 1923. Nine blacks were killed in their own church - and it had to be Denmark Vesey’s church, oldest black church in the South - in 2015.

Chilling. I’m shaken by it.

185 Amory Blaine  Jun 18, 2015 5:36:39pm

There’s no free lunch when it comes to feeding children but “come on in to Crazy Larry’s blowout sale and get a free widget”.

186 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 18, 2015 5:39:51pm

re: #179 thedopefishlives

Even more ridiculous is the Second Amendment fetishists, who think they with their AK-47s and AR-15’s can hold back the states with their drones and Abrams personnel carriers-especially now that our military forces are now drawn down and back home.

187 Amory Blaine  Jun 18, 2015 5:40:19pm

re: #183 Charles Johnson

Who’s that creepy hobbit?
/

188 A Cranky One  Jun 18, 2015 5:42:15pm

re: #183 Charles Johnson

The latest beta version of the front page reboot now has brand new icons for the Spy, email, print, and favorite functions.

littlegreenfootballs.com

Slick! Getting better all the time.

I noticed that when I hover over the new icons it displays text except when I try the “heart” (favorite) icon. Does that mean you don’t love us anymore? ;)

189 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 5:45:03pm

THIS IS THE STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
Where does this “2.3” number come from, other than some wingnut’s ass?

190 Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2015 5:45:09pm

re: #188 A Cranky One

Slick! Getting better all the time.

I noticed that when I hover over the new icons it displays text except when I try the “heart” (favorite) icon. Does that mean you don’t love us anymore? ;)

I fergot! The heart has a title now. It’s an entitled heart.

191 Belafon  Jun 18, 2015 5:45:12pm

re: #183 Charles Johnson

I have a favor to ask: We are still using a version of IE9 embedded in a VM at work. A number of simple features on the current site don’t work properly (All the small buttons like reply, uprate/downrate send me back to the front page). Could you make sure that at least the ability to see and navigate the pages still works? I can sort of make due without the others, but I’d still like to be able to read everything.

192 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2015 5:46:02pm

re: #190 Charles Johnson

I fergot! The heart has a title now. It’s an entitled heart.

Better to be entitled than troubled…

193 calochortus  Jun 18, 2015 5:47:26pm

re: #181 thedopefishlives

I don’t deserve any of the luxuries I enjoy. I had to work damn hard for them, and I appreciate them all the more for it. That’s how it should be. If we don’t appreciate our luxuries, if we take them for granted, then we get complacent and apathetic. And that leads to a broken society.

I think it’s more than being complacent. We don’t all get what we “deserve” whatever that may be. I did exactly nothing to deserve being born into a happy, financially secure family in the US in the second half of the 20th century, while someone else was born to a single mother in a village in Africa.

Especially with our Calvinist heritage, it’s too easy to start to believe our beginnings in life are somehow significant indicators of our worth.

194 Skip Intro  Jun 18, 2015 5:51:57pm

re: #123 dell*nix

Used to be you could be banned for advocating violence here. Might want to consider that in your wording.

Violence against the flag of treason? I’ll risk it.

195 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2015 5:53:40pm

cuteness break:

196 jaunte  Jun 18, 2015 5:54:02pm
197 A Cranky One  Jun 18, 2015 5:54:15pm

re: #190 Charles Johnson

I fergot! The heart has a title now. It’s an entitled heart.

Hmmmm…must not be a Republican site then. They hate entitlements.

//

198 calochortus  Jun 18, 2015 5:54:27pm

re: #189 The Vicious Babushka

THIS IS THE STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
Where does this “2.3” number come from, other than some wingnut’s ass?

[Embedded content]

I can’t help but notice that when you click where it says “See the data…” it simply takes you to his tweet on Twitter, not any actual data.

199 Skip Intro  Jun 18, 2015 5:55:25pm

re: #167 The Vicious Babushka

So nobody has called him a thug yet, I assume.

200 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 18, 2015 5:55:44pm

re: #196 jaunte

Fsck her.

201 psddluva4evah  Jun 18, 2015 5:55:48pm
202 A Cranky One  Jun 18, 2015 5:55:54pm

re: #198 calochortus

I can’t help but notice that when you click where it says “See the data…” it simply takes you to his tweet on Twitter, not any actual data.

Just be grateful it doesn’t show you where he really pulled the number from…

203 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2015 5:55:59pm

The Lone Star State put a man to death today.

204 Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2015 5:56:34pm
205 The War TARDIS  Jun 18, 2015 5:57:04pm

re: #193 calochortus

I love bringing this following fact up.

As much as Adams and Jefferson disagreed with each other on various political matters, they did have one united opinion of Calvinism.

They hated it.

206 CuriousLurker  Jun 18, 2015 5:58:21pm

I’m just gonna leave this here without any further commentary:

207 TedStriker  Jun 18, 2015 5:58:38pm

re: #3 Iwouldprefernotto

At least his lawsuit wasn’t written in crayon.

Did Chuck’s lawyer sign it in blue Sharpie?

208 calochortus  Jun 18, 2015 6:00:24pm

Dinner calls and then I’m off to weaving guild.
Be kind. Be thoughtful. Be gentle. But then you generally all are.

209 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Jun 18, 2015 6:01:15pm

A lawsuit between CCJ and Gawker seems like a romantic comedy flick in which two irredeemably reprehensible main characters each passive-aggressively project their own worst qualities on the other until they eventually get into a big fight that inevitably leads to an alcohol-fueled, regret-filled one night stand, possibly involving dead farm animals and stolen bags of spoiled donated blood.

210 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Jun 18, 2015 6:02:18pm

re: #201 psddluva4evah

18 year-old man shot by police officer

211 thedopefishlives  Jun 18, 2015 6:04:06pm

re: #209 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

A lawsuit between CCJ and Gawker seems like a romantic comedy flick in which two irredeemably reprehensible main characters each passive-aggressively project their own worst qualities on the other until they eventually get into a big fight that inevitably leads to an alcohol-fueled, regret-filled one night stand, possibly involving dead farm animals and stolen bags of spoiled donated blood.

There will also be poop on the floor at some point.

212 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Jun 18, 2015 6:05:10pm

re: #211 thedopefishlives

Foreplay.

213 TedStriker  Jun 18, 2015 6:05:33pm

re: #14 Bubblehead II

Yeah, I pretty much said the same thing downstairs when Charles first posted this. He’ll settle for a million and lawyers fees. Only problem is Gawker isn’t going to give him anything but a bill for their costs.

To Chuck:

214 Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2015 6:08:13pm
215 The War TARDIS  Jun 18, 2015 6:09:04pm

re: #205 The War TARDIS

Aaron Bancroft, an Unitarian/Congregationalist clergyman from the early days of the Republic, actually made this comment about those two and Calvinism.

“It is hard to say, which surpassed the other in boiling hatred of Calvinism, Jefferson or John Adams.”

216 jaunte  Jun 18, 2015 6:09:22pm

Piers Morgan is an idiot.

217 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 18, 2015 6:09:25pm

re: #211 thedopefishlives

There will also be poop on the floor at some point.

The floor shitting allegations first came out on Chuck’s very own blog while he was at college. A commenter there made reference to it. Chuck even acknowledged in his interview with @nero that the comment on his blog (claremontconservative.com) was the origin of that particular rumor. Gawker then referred to it in their own stories.

218 Romantic Heretic  Jun 18, 2015 6:09:29pm

re: #189 The Vicious Babushka

THIS IS THE STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
Where does this “2.3” number come from, other than some wingnut’s ass?

[Embedded content]

( Referring to the person on the right) How can someone who carries a firearm in such a careless manner be trusted to act wisely in a crisis situation?

He’s more likely to shoot his balls off than a ‘bad guy’.

219 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2015 6:12:23pm
What I can tell you is over the last three and a half years, I spent a lot of my days on the phones with CEOs and recruiting jobs to this state,” the governor noted. “I can honestly say I have not had one conversation with a single CEO about the Confederate flag.”

Republicans like Nikki don’t even see how they’re reinforcing the stereotype that they only care about rich people when they say shit like this.

220 Belafon  Jun 18, 2015 6:13:12pm

re: #191 Belafon

Though I will say that not being able to edit a comment so that I can add clarification to it (people don’t generally go hunting for related comments) or even reply to it did get me burned two threads ago.

221 jaunte  Jun 18, 2015 6:13:16pm

re: #219 goddamnedfrank

“This is a complete non-issue to the people who count.”

222 thedopefishlives  Jun 18, 2015 6:14:07pm

re: #219 goddamnedfrank

Republicans like Nikki don’t even see how they’re reinforcing the stereotype that they only care about rich people when they say shit like this.

It’s like they can’t hear themselves talk. Which, actually, they can’t. My wife made friends with a local trust-fund baby. She said he was honestly puzzled why she was horrified at some of the things he said, like he couldn’t understand what it was that was so wrong. These people are completely out of touch with the reality of lower-class life.

223 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2015 6:14:15pm

This UpChuck lawsuit is gobsmacking! Holy hell, what a piece of legalese garbage! Great hate reading!

224 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2015 6:15:04pm

Governor Charlie Baker apologized on Thursday for remarks he made earlier in the day defending the rights of state capitols to fly the Confederate flag, initially calling it a matter of “tradition.”

Baker said in an early-afternoon radio interview that states should be entitled to decide whether to fly the Confederate flag at their capitols, laying out a brief argument for local government. But he later backtracked and said he believed the controversial symbol should be removed.

In a telephone interview on Thursday evening, Baker said he had “heard from some friends of mine.” Their message, he said: “Basically: What were you thinking?”

“I take my job as governor of 100 percent of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts very seriously, and as I said, I’m sorry if I didn’t do a particularly good job representing that today,” Baker told the Globe on the Thursday evening call arranged hastily by aides.

sigh…

225 Decatur Deb  Jun 18, 2015 6:15:45pm

re: #183 Charles Johnson

The latest beta version of the front page reboot now has brand new icons for the Spy, email, print, and favorite functions.

littlegreenfootballs.com

That works (FF/Ubuntu 15.4).

226 bratwurst  Jun 18, 2015 6:19:26pm

And of course the whole why don’t you silly liberals care this much about the violence in Chicago?!?!?1!! meme is alive and well today.

Have I ever mentioned the fact that I am EXTREMELY glad that the individual who used to spread that garbage around here is banned and gone…free to spend his time listening to white supremacist radio all day?

227 Varek Raith  Jun 18, 2015 6:20:08pm

re: #226 bratwurst

And of course the whole why don’t you silly liberals care this much about the violence in Chicago?!?!?1!! meme is alive and well today.

Have I ever mentioned the fact that I am EXTREMELY glad that the individual who used to spread that garbage around here is banned and gone…free to spend his time listening to white supremacist radio all day?

Sounds fishy.

228 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 18, 2015 6:20:18pm

Did y’all notice that GotNewsDotCom has nothing at all about this alleged lawsuit? It’s going on 13 days since Chuck last posted on his site.

229 The War TARDIS  Jun 18, 2015 6:24:21pm

re: #227 Varek Raith

Good pun! :D

230 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2015 6:24:56pm
231 sagehen  Jun 18, 2015 6:49:24pm

re: #175 thedopefishlives

The original intent - if we are to play literalist for a minute - was to ensure that an event like the Revolutionary War, which sprang from farmers and woodsmen forming organized militias with their home arms, could be re-enacted should a tyrannical government come into play.

I’ve always thought the intent was that if the Federal govt (from ill-will or negligence) wasn’t properly protecting the citizenry from bears and Indians and Canadians… the States or Cities could have their own militias to do the job.

Also, back in those days, 80% of the population legitimately hunted food and had to protect their livestock from wolves and cougars.

232 Odie Hugh Manatee  Jun 18, 2015 6:56:24pm

After reading that the only good thing I could find is that Chuckles didn’t poop on the poor sheep.

He’s a baaaaad boy! :)

233 piratedan  Jun 18, 2015 9:37:47pm

re: #214 Charles Johnson

and if he had acted unilaterally he’d be called a tyrant and manifesting every RWNJ’s fantasy

234 djcelts  Jun 19, 2015 6:44:10am

He’s basically turning into a patent troll for media outlets. He doesn’t actually DO anything except sue people who point out his lack of worth and then try to profit off of that.

235 djcelts  Jun 19, 2015 6:49:22am

re: #85 weave

Did they list all of the white churches that have been attacked recently?


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