Dylann Roof’s Roommate Says He Was “Planning Something Like That for Six Months”

“He was big into segregation and other stuff”
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Wow. If this is accurate, why the hell didn’t Dylann Storm Roof’s roommate report this to the authorities?

Dylann Roof, the alleged gunman authorities say is responsible for killing nine people in a predominantly black Charleston, South Carolina, church Wednesday night, had been “planning something like that for six months,” according to his roommate.

Dalton Tyler, who said he has known Roof for seven months to one year, said he saw the white, 21-year-old suspect just last week.

“He was big into segregation and other stuff,” Tyler said. “He said he wanted to start a civil war. He said he was going to do something like that and then kill himself.”

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1 thedopefishlives  Jun 18, 2015 6:22:04pm

You basically asked the question that I asked when I saw the headline. Who’s more reprehensible, the shooter, or the guy who stands idly by and lets the shooter carry out his plot without speaking up?

2 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2015 6:24:00pm
3 psddluva4evah  Jun 18, 2015 6:25:15pm

yes. the clip I posted of Rep Clyburn def fits this dude.

“People of ill will in our society, make a much better use of their time than those of good will. We will be made to repent not just for bad people…but the silence of good people. I come here today to beg you, when you leave these hallowed halls…please break your silence. Speak up! “

…

4 Belafon  Jun 18, 2015 6:26:03pm

The answer is in that last statement:

“He was big into segregation and other stuff,” Tyler said. “He said he wanted to start a civil war. He said he was going to do something like that and then kill himself.”

Lot’s of people talk a good talk, and do nothing. And talking a good talk is covered by the first amendment. Also he was surrounded by people who had probably thought the same thing as he did but were lazy, and if they weren’t going to actually do anything, why would someone else.

5 Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2015 6:26:05pm

This story is getting even more horrible.

6 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 18, 2015 6:28:32pm

Could the roommate be charged as being accessory after the fact?

7 Decatur Deb  Jun 18, 2015 6:29:08pm

“Wow. If this report is accurate, why the hell didn’t Dylann Storm Roof’s roommate report this to the authorities?”

Because it didn’t sound all that unusual to him.

8 Belafon  Jun 18, 2015 6:29:51pm

re: #6 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Could the roommate be charged as being accessory after the fact?

IANAL, but I think he could only be charged if he directly helped in the planning or execution.

9 Decatur Deb  Jun 18, 2015 6:30:10pm

re: #6 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Could the roommate be charged as being accessory after the fact?

Most free online legal advice concurs that he’ll skate.

10 danarchy  Jun 18, 2015 6:32:16pm

re: #6 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Could the roommate be charged as being accessory after the fact?

To be an accessory after the fact, he would have had to have helped him hide or hidden evidence after the shooting had already taken place.

Unless he had specific information about this shooting beforehand, I doubt he can be charged with anything.

11 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 18, 2015 6:32:28pm

re: #8 Belafon

re: #9 Decatur Deb

He could still be named in any civil suits, though. It depends on how many details he knew of Roof’s plan, and I assume the police and FBI will be asking those very questions.

12 Belafon  Jun 18, 2015 6:33:39pm

re: #11 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He could still be named in any civil suits, though. It depends on how many details he knew of Roof’s plan, and I assume the police and FBI will be asking those very questions.

Possibly. I was just answering in terms of being arrested and charged with a crime.

13 Varek Raith  Jun 18, 2015 6:35:26pm

I wouldn’t be shocked if he heard shit like this all the time.
Sigh…

14 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2015 6:35:42pm

re: #6 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Could the roommate be charged as being accessory after the fact?

Before the fact, and no almost certainly not. Unfortunately this country has very few mandated reporters. People are allowed, encouraged even, to ignore all kinds of messed up shit.

15 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 18, 2015 6:36:24pm

re: #7 Decatur Deb

“Wow. If this report is accurate, why the hell didn’t Dylann Storm Roof’s roommate report this to the authorities?”

Because it didn’t sound all that unusual to him.

And, for some LE in South Carolina the response just might have been a chuckle.

16 stpaulbear  Jun 18, 2015 6:38:15pm

re: #10 danarchy

To be an accessory after the fact, he would have had to have helped him hide or hidden evidence after the shooting had already taken place.

Unless he had specific information about this shooting beforehand, I doubt he can be charged with anything.

The roommate will just be known for the rest of his life as “the moron who knew Dylann Roof was planning to murder people”.

17 Decatur Deb  Jun 18, 2015 6:38:25pm

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

And, for some LE in South Carolina the response just might have been a chuckle.

Posted this from SPLC early this morning. It hits close to home.

splcenter.org

18 psddluva4evah  Jun 18, 2015 6:39:05pm

Bless this woman. She did more in a few minutes than this sumabitch roommate did the whole time he knew the suspect.

BREAKING: Tip from Kings Mountain florists led to Charleston shooting suspect’s arrest

…She wasn’t sure at first why she recognized the car.

“I saw the pictures of him with the bowl cut. I said, ‘I’ve seen that car for some reason.’ I look over, and it’s got a South Carolina tag on it,” Dills said Thursday afternoon. “I thought, ‘Nah, that’s not his car.’ Then, I got closer and saw that haircut. I was nervous. I had the worst feeling. Is that him or not him?”…

After first spotting Roof’s car in south Gastonia, Dills said, she followed him to the Kings Mountain exit on the U.S. 74 bypass, then exited to head to work at the florist shop in downtown Kings Mountain. Something didn’t feel right to her, so she headed back to the bypass and drove west to attempt to catch up to Roof to provide more details.

“What if that really was him?” she thought. “I have friends going to the mountains this weekend, so if it that was him and something would happen again, what would I do? It kept eating at me, and something told me to keep following him.”

She caught up to Roof’s Hyundai again near East Dixon Boulevard in Shelby and continued to follow him. She stayed on the phone with Frady. Dills saw Shelby Police officers begin to follow Roof at the Ingles on 74 and Polkville Road and at first stayed behind, knowing the situation was under control.

But Dills wanted to see things through.

When she caught back up with police, Roof was pulled over and apprehended. She had followed the wanted man for 35 miles….

19 Decatur Deb  Jun 18, 2015 6:39:44pm

re: #16 stpaulbear

The roommate will just be known for the rest of his life as “the moron who knew Dylann Roof was planning to murder people”.

“Righteous dude who knows when to keep his mouth shut.”

20 Amory Blaine  Jun 18, 2015 6:40:32pm

Anything developing on that bomb threat?

21 stpaulbear  Jun 18, 2015 6:42:07pm

re: #19 Decatur Deb

“Righteous dude who knows how to keep his mouth shut.”

sigh

22 OhNoZombies!  Jun 18, 2015 6:42:46pm

Birds of a feather and all that, and people say all kinds of things and don’t follow through.
The devil’s in the details.
Maybe this was the roommates way of saying Roof was probably guilty, who knows.

23 Jenner7  Jun 18, 2015 6:44:06pm

I’ve been calling him a kid all day. Just habit for me because he is young. But Shaun in right.

24 Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2015 6:44:36pm

I experimented with making the new front page design fill the whole screen today, as several lizards suggested, but wow, is this ever problematic.

I have a few more ideas to try, but this is no simple matter.

25 BlueSpotinAL  Jun 18, 2015 6:44:43pm

A counter to the rather phony effort to compare US homicides by guns to homicides in some eastern european countries during the chaotic times after “communism fell”: Homicide rate for blacks in US 12 times average rate of countries with a high human development index. fivethirtyeight.com

26 EPR-radar  Jun 18, 2015 6:44:49pm

re: #1 thedopefishlives

You basically asked the question that I asked when I saw the headline. Who’s more reprehensible, the shooter, or the guy who stands idly by and lets the shooter carry out his plot without speaking up?

Let’s not get carried away. The shooter is clearly worse than the bystander, even if we assume the worst possible facts for the bystander.

27 Decatur Deb  Jun 18, 2015 6:46:03pm

re: #25 BlueSpotinAL

A counter to the rather phony effort to compare US homicides by guns to homicides in some eastern european countries during the chaotic times after “communism fell”: Homicide rate for blacks in US 12 times average rate of countries with a high human development index. fivethirtyeight.com

To be fair, not all our states score high on that index, IIRC.

28 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 18, 2015 6:48:22pm

Short of a Minority Report society, ther a really nothing it would have done, really. Who was that other shooter (younger male too IIRC) who actually was visited by authorities and he just acted normal, and told them what they wanted to hear so as to not appear a threat. And then later. Bang. Bang.

29 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 18, 2015 6:48:23pm

re: #18 psddluva4evah

Damn. That woman deserves a medal for bravery. Roof could have spotted her following him and shot at her from his car.

30 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 18, 2015 6:49:06pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

I experimented with making the new front page design fill the whole screen today, as several lizards suggested, but wow, is this ever problematic.

I have a few more ideas to try, but this is no simple matter.

It’s fine if it doesn’t work out.

31 Amory Blaine  Jun 18, 2015 6:49:47pm

Who is Dalton Tyler?

In the photo, a person identified as Tyler was shown wearing a T-shirt emblazoned with the Confederate Flag

32 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 18, 2015 6:52:42pm

re: #28 GlutenFreeJesus

Short of a Minority Report society, ther a really nothing it would have done, really. Who was that other shooter (younger male too IIRC) who actually was visited by authorities and he just acted normal, and told them what they wanted to hear so as to not appear a threat. And then later. Bang. Bang.

That was the guy who was really pissed at women, down in SoCal.

Whose name I am drawing a complete blank on.

33 gwangung  Jun 18, 2015 6:53:17pm

re: #32 klys (maker of Silmarils)

That was the guy who was really pissed at women, down in SoCal.

Whose name I am drawing a complete blank on.

Elliot Rogers?

34 Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2015 6:53:26pm

re: #31 Amory Blaine

Who is Dalton Tyler?

Imagine my surprise that the roommate was also a racist.

35 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2015 6:53:43pm

re: #28 GlutenFreeJesus

Who was that other shooter (younger male too IIRC) who actually was visited by authorities and he just acted normal, and told them what they wanted to hear so as to not appear a threat. And then later. Bang. Bang.

Elliot Rodger, the Isla Vista shooter.

36 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 18, 2015 6:53:55pm

re: #33 gwangung

Elliot Rogers?

Yesssssssssssss, I was wanting to make him Adam Rogers.

Because nothing like merging mass murderer names in my head, right?

37 BlueSpotinAL  Jun 18, 2015 6:57:16pm

re: #31 Amory Blaine

Who is Dalton Tyler?

I predict another facebook page disappearing in 1, 2, 3 …

38 bratwurst  Jun 18, 2015 6:58:17pm
39 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2015 7:00:29pm

The community has to be devastated. These were the good ones, the ones that lived life for others.

40 stpaulbear  Jun 18, 2015 7:03:18pm

re: #23 Jenner7

I think it’s the toddler haircut that does it.

41 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2015 7:03:50pm

NRA Board Member Blames Charleston Victim For His Own Death

42 thedopefishlives  Jun 18, 2015 7:04:21pm

re: #41 goddamnedfrank

What the actual fuck.

43 Belafon  Jun 18, 2015 7:05:45pm

re: #41 goddamnedfrank

“You should always be ready for one of our upstanding gun owners to go lone wolf and try to kill you, at which point they are no longer an upstanding gun owner.”

44 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2015 7:06:31pm

I see AJ Delgado is now straight up lying about what she said earlier today.

45 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 18, 2015 7:06:42pm

re: #32 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Yeah the kid with the BMW.

46 b_sharp  Jun 18, 2015 7:07:42pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

I experimented with making the new front page design fill the whole screen today, as several lizards suggested, but wow, is this ever problematic.

I have a few more ideas to try, but this is no simple matter.

Yay!!

47 D_Red  Jun 18, 2015 7:08:13pm

re: #44 goddamnedfrank

I see AJ Delgado is now straight up lying about what she said earlier today.

How so? Her twitterer seems to be gone.

48 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 7:09:09pm

NO YOU FREAKING STUPID SHIT, WHAT THEY ALL HAD IN COMMON WAS GUNS.

49 thedopefishlives  Jun 18, 2015 7:09:54pm

re: #48 The Vicious Babushka

This is the problem with selective reporting. All we hear are the “big cases”. Does this nutbar even know how many mass shootings go on in the United States in a year?

50 Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2015 7:10:00pm
51 thedopefishlives  Jun 18, 2015 7:10:58pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

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They left the deep end behind months ago. They’re headed out to open ocean now.

52 Jenner7  Jun 18, 2015 7:12:45pm

Geraldo is rambling on Hannity…..

53 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 18, 2015 7:13:25pm

re: #48 The Vicious Babushka

54 ObserverArt  Jun 18, 2015 7:13:57pm

re: #42 thedopefishlives

What the actual fuck.

You know, I can’t even muster surprise over NRA gun thinking like that anymore. Statements like that are as common as the killings. They come in a package.

55 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 18, 2015 7:14:08pm

re: #41 goddamnedfrank

They have, at long last, no decency.

56 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2015 7:14:20pm

Delgado knew exactly who the suspect was.

Now she’s trying to pretend he hadn’t been id’d yet when she sent that tweet out. He had, he just hadn’t been arrested yet. She was commenting on the mugshot from his first arrest, visible the link in the paragraph above.

She is just lying.

Also, she’s a supporter of Chuck C Johnson, which can’t be demonstrated at the moment because she locked her Twitter account.

57 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 7:15:49pm

re: #52 Jenner7

Geraldo is rambling on Hannity…..

Day ending in “Y.”

58 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2015 7:18:55pm

Even if you give Delgado the benefit of the doubt (and I don’t), that her entire retarded denial of whiteness was based only on the surveillance footage, that’s totally a ridiculous thing to say.

59 jaunte  Jun 18, 2015 7:19:08pm

re: #41 goddamnedfrank

NRA Board Member Blames Charleston Victim For His Own Death

60 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 7:19:58pm
61 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 18, 2015 7:20:50pm

re: #56 goddamnedfrank

Delgado knew exactly who the suspect was.

Now she’s trying to pretend he hadn’t been id’d yet when she sent that tweet out. He had, he just hadn’t been arrested yet. She was commenting on the mugshot from his first arrest, visible the link in the paragraph above.

she.is.just.lying.

Also, she’s a supporter of Chuck C Johnson, which can’t be demonstrated at the moment because she locked her Twitter account.

You can search for her tweets and pull up the Google cache of them.

62 thedopefishlives  Jun 18, 2015 7:20:51pm

I just want to note something else here. This white murderer was captured alive despite having shot and killed several people. However, innocent black people have to be shot to death because they’re threatening and a menace to the police. I don’t understand it.

63 ObserverArt  Jun 18, 2015 7:21:19pm

I mentioned the Chief Justice this morning, first thing because of South Carolina and voter rights. And Roberts BS about racism being gone in America. Think Progress did a story on it. Sorry if posted earlier, but I don’t remember seeing it.

Think Progress - When John Roberts Said There Isn’t Enough Racism In America To Justify The Voting Rights Act

Two years ago next Thursday, Chief Justice John Roberts walked into the Supreme Courtroom, took his seat in the Court’s center chair, and then, after waiting for his colleagues to dispose of some less-closely watched business, he began to tell a fairy tale about a nation redeemed.

Once upon a time, Roberts began, “voting discrimination against African-Americans was so entrenched and pervasive in 1965 that to cite just one example, less than 7% of African-Americans of voting age in Mississippi had been able to register to vote.” But then, Roberts told the Courtroom, America set aside this past. “There are examples of progress, more poignant than the numbers,” the chief justice claimed. “During the Freedom Summer of 1964 in Philadelphia, Mississippi, three men were murdered while working in the area to register African-American voters. On Bloody Sunday in Selma, Alabama in 1965, police beat and used tear gas on hundreds marching in support of enfranchising African-Americans. Today, both Philadelphia and Mississippi and Selma, Alabama have African-Americans mayors.”

“Our country has changed,” Roberts wrote in the opinion he delivered that day, Shelby County v. Holder. It has wiped away so much of its racist past that the “extraordinary measures” employed by a key provision of the Voting Rights Act could no longer be justified.

Wednesday night, a white man walked into an historic black church in Charleston, South Carolina. He sat inside the congregation for an hour, as churchgoers engaged in Bible study. Then he announced to the African American congregants that they are “taking over our country,” and he opened fire. This murderer killed nine men and women, more people than those who were killed in the Philadelphia murders and Bloody Sunday combined.

—CUT—

64 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 7:22:11pm

re: #59 jaunte

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That was my first thought earlier, that the morons declaring that if the congregation had been armed they’d have stopped Roof are the same ones who said that the cop was right to shoot Tamir Rice dead within seconds of arriving because they couldn’t tell that the gun was fake at first glance. And John Crawford was also shot on sight on the same argument “It looked real!”

65 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 7:23:09pm

re: #62 thedopefishlives

I just want to note something else here. This white murderer was captured alive despite having shot and killed several people. However, innocent black people have to be shot to death because they’re threatening and a menace to the police. I don’t understand it.

I’m still getting derp in my timeline because of this Tweet==>

66 A Cranky One  Jun 18, 2015 7:23:36pm

Okay, this story is making me grumpy. Not a good thing for a cranky one.

Time to mellow.

…

67 thedopefishlives  Jun 18, 2015 7:24:02pm

re: #65 The Vicious Babushka

I’m still getting derp in my timeline because of this Tweet==>

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That is awesome and I can see why it would piss the derpers off.

68 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 7:24:21pm

re: #65 The Vicious Babushka

I’m still getting derp in my timeline because of this Tweet==>

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Damn, just blocked another one.

69 thedopefishlives  Jun 18, 2015 7:24:52pm

re: #68 The Vicious Babushka

Damn, just blocked another one.

I’m hearing strains of “Another One Bites the Dust”.

70 ObserverArt  Jun 18, 2015 7:25:04pm

re: #68 The Vicious Babushka

Damn, just blocked another one.

Like Zombies at your door.

71 Jenner7  Jun 18, 2015 7:25:26pm

This one just blows me away (from ksl.com). The lack of critical thinking in this comment is just stunning to me. Did they skip history class??

Why is this a black church in the first place? Why don’t they welcome all to come and worship together instead of segregated themselves in a church designated as a black church?

I wish racism didn’t exist, but it does and sadly goes both ways.

72 jaunte  Jun 18, 2015 7:26:35pm

re: #71 Jenner7

“Why are there ‘Southern’ Baptists?”

73 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2015 7:26:59pm
74 jaunte  Jun 18, 2015 7:27:53pm
75 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 7:27:58pm

re: #41 goddamnedfrank

NRA Board Member Blames Charleston Victim For His Own Death

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And this is why I despise the NRA. I just knew they’d do this.

76 ObserverArt  Jun 18, 2015 7:28:32pm

re: #73 The Vicious Babushka

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Damn. He couldn’t have put that any better. My man!

77 jaunte  Jun 18, 2015 7:29:08pm
78 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2015 7:29:31pm

Oh yeah, Chuck’s asshole neckbeard friend said this earlier.

79 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 18, 2015 7:30:37pm

re: #71 Jenner7

This one just blows me away (from ksl.com). The lack of critical thinking in this comment is just stunning to me. Did they skip history class??

They skipped common sense class, too. I’ve visited several “black churches” in my life, and I’ve never been asked to leave because I’m a white guy. Likewise, Roof was welcomed and allowed to attend the service.

80 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 7:30:45pm

re: #71 Jenner7

This one just blows me away (from ksl.com). The lack of critical thinking in this comment is just stunning to me. Did they skip history class??

Goddamn people are helpless. It’s a predominately African-American congregation because the African Methodists are a sect within Methodism that was founded by former slaves and freemen who weren’t accepted by Methodists. It’s not racism and hell they were accepting Dylann Roof into their Bible study right until he murdered them. Goddamn I hate people sometimes for not even wanting to look at things.

81 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 7:32:22pm

re: #78 goddamnedfrank

Oh yeah, Chuck’s asshole neckbeard friend said this earlier.

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Sure Gavin it wasn’t racist at all. Just ignore the fact that he targeted a predominately black church where while shouting racist shit at them and the fact that he openly admired Apartheid South Africa and Smith’s Rhodesia and was known to say racist shit to friends but yeah no racism at all here. Goddamn.

82 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 18, 2015 7:34:24pm

re: #81 HappyWarrior

Sure Gavin it wasn’t racist at all. Just ignore the fact that he targeted a predominately black church where while shouting racist shit at them and the fact that he openly admired Apartheid South Africa and Smith’s Rhodesia and was known to say racist shit to friends but yeah no racism at all here. Goddamn.

Just as there are no rapists or rapes until a jury decides there are, racism and racists do not exist until it is proved in a court of law.
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83 jaunte  Jun 18, 2015 7:34:43pm
“…John Mullins, who went to high school with Roof, told The Daily Beast that he remembers him as being “kind of wild” but wasn’t considered an outcast. Mullins said that Roof had a reputation for making racist statements and had “that kind of Southern pride, I guess some would say — strong conservative beliefs. He made a lot of racist jokes, but you don’t really take them seriously like that. You don’t really think of it like that.”
postandcourier.com

Ya think it’s past time to start?

84 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 7:34:47pm

re: #79 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

They skipped common sense class, too. I’ve visited several “black churches” in my life, and I’ve never been asked to leave because I’m a white guy. Likewise, Roof was welcomed and allowed to attend the service.

I’ve mentioned my great uncle before but he was a white man that was a priest to a predominately African-American congregation in Louisiana in the 40’s. They definitely welcomed him with open arms. What these idiots refuse to understand is that the reason why so called black churches were often founded in the first place is yeah racism and also the biblical justification by many white churches for slavery.This church has existed in South Carolina longer than many families including well over 80% of my own have been in this country. It was founded in a time of history where AFrican-Americans were treated like subhumans in the South.

85 steve_davis  Jun 18, 2015 7:35:19pm

re: #1 thedopefishlives

You basically asked the question that I asked when I saw the headline. Who’s more reprehensible, the shooter, or the guy who stands idly by and lets the shooter carry out his plot without speaking up?

the simple answer is, because if the police decide to question the kid, then that’s probably the end of things, except that the roommate, who can’t exactly back out of a lease, now gets to live with the paranoid guy with the gun who lives in the room across from the guy who is now his mortal enemy.

86 D_Red  Jun 18, 2015 7:35:35pm

This is how insane white people are in America. A kid in a rhodesian/aparthied flag jacket, driving a car with a confederate flag license plate can go into a church, tell a group of black people he’s about to murder them because they are black, and white people will say with a straight face that he was not racist. Denying reality that sincerely can only be called insanity.

87 Eventual Carrion  Jun 18, 2015 7:36:35pm

re: #73 The Vicious Babushka

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What motivates someone to go into a house of worship and kill someone? Dr. Tiller’s family probably wonders that too.

88 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 7:37:48pm

re: #86 D_Red

This is how insane white people are in America. A kid in a rhodesian/aparthied flag jacket, driving a car with a confederate flag license plate can go into a church, tell a group of black people he’s about to murder them because they are black, and white people will say with a straight face that he was not racist. Denying reality that sincerely can only be called insanity.

I just don’t get how anyone can say this was anything but racist. The most tone deaf is Nikki Haley acting like she has no idea how this could have happened when she sees living proof of why this kind of shit happens every day in that ugly piece of shit flag called the Confederate Flag which as I said earlier today made a comeback in Southern capitals not because of “pride” but because of the Civil Rights era.

89 prairiefire  Jun 18, 2015 7:38:22pm

re: #83 jaunte

Absofrickinlutley. Their racist parents are constantly being affirmed by right wing radio and tv. Time for accountability, a term they hide behind often.

90 steve_davis  Jun 18, 2015 7:40:21pm

re: #16 stpaulbear

The roommate will just be known for the rest of his life as “the moron who knew Dylann Roof was planning to murder people”.

re: #39 teleskiguy

The community has to be devastated. These were the good ones, the ones that lived life for others.

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one of the victims was an admissions counselor for a Wesleyan university about 3 miles down the road. It definitely hits home.

91 jaunte  Jun 18, 2015 7:40:23pm
92 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 18, 2015 7:40:26pm

re: #84 HappyWarrior

I’ve mentioned my great uncle before but he was a white man that was a priest to a predominately African-American congregation in Louisiana in the 40’s. They definitely welcomed him with open arms. What these idiots refuse to understand is that the reason why so called black churches were often founded in the first place is yeah racism and also the biblical justification by many white churches for slavery.This church has existed in South Carolina longer than many families including well over 80% of my own have been in this country. It was founded in a time of history where AFrican-Americans were treated like subhumans in the South.

I’d argue that historically black churches have been much more welcoming of white visitors than historically white churches have been of black visitors, until fairly recent times. So, I can fully understand why AA people would rather attend a church that warmly welcomes them.

I have a white friend in the States who goes to an AME church because she says it way more fun than an uptight white church service.

93 OhNoZombies!  Jun 18, 2015 7:42:11pm

re: #92 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’d argue that historically black churches have been much more welcoming of white visitors than historically white churches have been of black visitors, until fairly recent times. So, I can fully understand why AA people would rather attend a church that warmly welcomes them.

I have a white friend in the States who goes to an AME church because she says it way more fun than an uptight white church service.

Yup.
They say Sunday is the most segregated day of the week for a reason.

94 Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2015 7:42:35pm
95 Belafon  Jun 18, 2015 7:43:23pm

re: #53 GlutenFreeJesus

96 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 7:43:59pm

re: #92 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’d argue that historically black churches have been much more welcoming of white visitors than historically white churches have been of black visitors, until fairly recent times. So, I can fully understand why AA people would rather attend a church that warmly welcomes them.

I have a white friend in the States who goes to an AME church because she says it way more fun than an uptight white church service.

I don’t have much personal experience with black churches or really many churches at all but I think so much of this really boils down to is white bigots are afraid that black people will treat them the way they have treated black people for generations. Man I feel for that pastor and the other eight people who died. They probably were genuinely moved that he wanted to join their Bible study and then what happened happened. As for fun, I am reminded of that scene in Forrest Gump where Forrest attends the predominately black congregation.

97 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 7:45:21pm

re: #95 Belafon

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Yeah this is yet another big distraction so we can’t talk about precious guns and racism. And seriously not realizing that the commonality in all these shootings is guns. Uh hello?

98 A Cranky One  Jun 18, 2015 7:48:29pm

Tried to stay calm and relax, but just can’t bear to think about this story anymore.

Later, lizards!

99 Lidane  Jun 18, 2015 7:49:10pm

Six months of planning and openly talking about this. No one says a fucking word.

Before that, this kid was known for openly “expressing strong Southern pride” and making racist jokes. He also had a Confederate license plate on his car AND sewed flags from apartheid-era South Africa and Rhodesia into his clothes. Alarm bells NEVER went off for anyone. What the hell.

Either this kid was surrounded by morons or he was surrounded by virulent racists who don’t realize how racist they actually are.

100 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 18, 2015 7:49:15pm

re: #98 A Cranky One

Updinged for baby panda pic.

101 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 18, 2015 7:50:05pm

re: #99 Lidane

Six months of planning and openly talking about this. No one says a f%^king word.

Before that, this kid was known for openly “expressing strong Southern pride” and making racist jokes. He also had a Confederate license plate on his car AND sewed flags from apartheid-era South Africa and Rhodesia into his clothes. Alarm bells NEVER went off for anyone. What the hell.

Either this kid was surrounded by morons or he was surrounded by virulent racists who don’t realize how racist they actually are.

These are not mutually exclusive conditions.

102 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2015 7:50:49pm

re: #99 Lidane

he was surrounded by virulent racists who don’t realize how racist they actually are.

DING DING DING DING DING

103 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2015 7:52:43pm
“We had a shooting this morning in South Carolina,” Paul said (the shooting happened last night). “What kind of person goes into church and shoots nine people? There’s a sickness in our country, there’s something terribly wrong, but it isn’t going to be fixed by your government. It’s people straying away, it’s people not understanding where salvation comes from. And I think that if we understand that, we’ll understand and have better expectations of what we get from our government.”

-Rand Paul

No Rand, the sickness is white nationalist racism.

104 Lidane  Jun 18, 2015 7:52:46pm

Of course he does:

105 stpaulbear  Jun 18, 2015 7:53:13pm

re: #99 Lidane

XTC - No Thugs In Our House

106 jaunte  Jun 18, 2015 7:54:04pm

re: #103 goddamnedfrank

No Rand, the sickness is white nationalist racism.

Charles Pierce:

“If people do not want to speak of it, or think about it, it’s because they do not want to follow the story where it inevitably leads. It’s because they do not want to follow this crime all the way back to the mother of all American crimes…”
esquire.com

107 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 7:56:18pm

re: #103 goddamnedfrank

No Rand, the sickness is white nationalist racism.

Fuck Rand and fuck the Republican Party for trying to turn this into “They were killed because they were Christians.” There is zero evidence at all that Roof had contempt for religion and plenty that he had contempt for black people by his actions last night and before it. Unfuckingbeleivable this clown is. It’s not about “not understanding where salvation comes from”, it’s about people like your party that has been enabling racist rhetoric for years to enter the mainstream. And you yourself who felt the need to employ a “Confederate avenger” and you yourself who admit that you would have voted against the most important civil rights legislation of last century.

108 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 7:57:31pm

re: #104 Lidane

Of course he does:

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Like clockwork that pathetic son of a bitch is. Oh here’s a tragedy, how can I turn this into trash the government and not hold myself accountable for the bigoted shit I spew.

109 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 18, 2015 7:57:39pm

re: #99 Lidane

Six months of planning and openly talking about this. No one says a f%^king word.

Before that, this kid was known for openly “expressing strong Southern pride” and making racist jokes. He also had a Confederate license plate on his car AND sewed flags from apartheid-era South Africa and Rhodesia into his clothes. Alarm bells NEVER went off for anyone. What the hell.

Either this kid was surrounded by morons or he was surrounded by virulent racists who don’t realize how racist they actually are.

What could be done, either through suasion or through the law? The man needed help, no doubt, he was in the wrong place to get it.

110 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 7:58:39pm

re: #103 goddamnedfrank

No Rand, the sickness is white nationalist racism.

Gone full Bible-thumper, he has. Anything to gain a few points in the Iowa polls.

111 Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 18, 2015 7:59:47pm

I’ve been seeing the ‘If only they’d had guns!’ thing all day on FB (Thanks, Wingnut Cousin!), and I was thinking: There were 9 people killed, and three who were spared, ostensibly to tell the tale.

That’s 12 people, excluding Roof.

These gunfucker clowns want there to be at least one guntoting person in a group of 12 people at a bible study group in a church.

It’s gone beyond not wanting their guns taken away. They want carrying to be seen as a moral imperative. This is so fucked up, and so far away from anyu reasonable way of thinking that it boggles the mind.

112 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 7:59:49pm

washingtonpost.com
More evidence that the NRA are pondscum.

113 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 8:00:41pm

re: #110 Targetpractice

Gone full Bible-thumper, he has. Anything to gain a few points in the Iowa polls.

He’s always been a bible thumper. Don’t fool yourself. His dad is cut from the same cloth.

114 Belafon  Jun 18, 2015 8:01:07pm

re: #110 Targetpractice

Gone full Bible-thumper, he has. Anything to gain a few points in the Iowa polls.

Except there are still plenty of people who believe that the Mark of Cain is dark skin. Though they do skip the 7 times the punishment part.

115 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 8:02:16pm

re: #114 Belafon

Except there are still plenty of people who believe that the Mark of Cain is dark skin. Though they do skip the 7 times the punishment part.

Plenty of people like his dear old Dad. Be well to remember that Ron Paul either wrote that racist newsletter himself or definitely looked the other day while Lew Rockwell wrote it in his name. Rand knows all about how racism is a learned attribute and it’s because he has a dipshit racist father.

116 Amory Blaine  Jun 18, 2015 8:02:32pm

re: #103 goddamnedfrank

Jesus Christ, this guy is supposed to be a libertarian?

117 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 8:03:23pm

re: #116 Amory Blaine

Jesus Christ, this guy is supposed to be a libertarian?

He’s not a libertarian. He’s a paleocon theocrat that poses as a libertarian.

118 Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 18, 2015 8:03:34pm

re: #116 Amory Blaine

Jesus Christ, this guy is supposed to be a libertarian?

He’s exposing himself as a man of no conviction at all.

119 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 8:04:38pm

re: #118 Blind Frog Belly White

He’s exposing himself as a man of no conviction at all.

He shows time and time again that his only problem with so called federal power abuses is that it doesn’t allow the states to be even more tyrannical.

120 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 8:06:32pm

Really liberals who think Rand Paul is better for our country than Hillary Clinton because Rand hates the NSA spy programs, look at what this asshole actually stands for and is. Hillary Clinton may not be perfect but at least Hillary Clinton isn’t a religious zealot bigot.

121 Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 18, 2015 8:07:20pm

The other thing that bothers me about the coverage of this outrage, beyond the ‘We’ll never know what motivated him’, is the facile characterization of him as ‘evil’. ‘Pure evil!’ ‘Inhuman!’

These are ways of separating him from US, so that we don’t have to recognize just how human his actions are. Look at our history - is there anything in our history that would convince you that these acts are anything but human?

And calling them ‘Evil’ and invoking the Devil as an explanation? Please. We don’t need an external bad guy. There’s plenty of that right in our own character.

122 psddluva4evah  Jun 18, 2015 8:07:23pm

Jon Stewart’s opening tonight…he “has no jokes to tell”.

@politicoroger
Jon Stewart: “What blows my mind is the disparity of response when we think foreign people are going to kill us and when we kill ourselves.”

The whole opening segment of The Daily Show is a MUST SEE!

123 Belafon  Jun 18, 2015 8:07:34pm

I just had an idea: Open a gun shop. Do not sell a gun to anyone that does not cringe at the Confederate flag behind the counter.

124 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 8:08:45pm

re: #122 psddluva4evah

Jon Stewart’s opening tonight…he “has no jokes to tell”.

The whole opening segment of The Daily Show is a MUST SEE!

Sometimes the comics get it the best and he is right. We’re worried about ISIS killing our people and we have things like this.

125 Jenner7  Jun 18, 2015 8:10:12pm
126 Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2015 8:10:35pm
127 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 8:10:56pm

re: #121 Blind Frog Belly White

The other thing that bothers me about the coverage of this outrage, beyond the ‘We’ll never know what motivated him’, is the facile characterization of him as ‘evil’. ‘Pure evil!’ ‘Inhuman!’

These are ways of separating him from US, so that we don’t have to recognize just how human his actions are. Look at our history - is there anything in our history that would convince you that these acts are anything but human?

And calling them ‘Evil’ and invoking the Devil as an explanation? Please. We don’t need an external bad guy. There’s plenty of that right in our own character.

You nailed it and that’s why I get upset when the first instinct of the media is to talk about mental illness. As I said earlier, I kind of get why they do that. People don’t want to think a normal, functioning mind would plan and then do something like this. It’s far more comforting to think “Oh he was crazy” Oh hew as disturbed” then “Oh, he knew exactly what he was doing and was influenced by every day life.”

128 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 18, 2015 8:11:31pm

We have met the enemy and he is us. — Walt Kelly, Pogo

129 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 8:11:32pm

…

130 Jenner7  Jun 18, 2015 8:15:50pm

Awww. Moms are just amazing!

131 subterraneanhomesickalien  Jun 18, 2015 8:18:29pm

So why didn’t the little pussy tell someone about it?

Was he complicit? Was he ideologically sympathetic?

If so put him in a jail cell for obstruction.

132 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 8:20:12pm

Have we actually regressed? I mean it here. I mean we did make history and man am I glad I was part of it in making Barack Obama our first African-American president but have we actually gotten worse? This isn’t Obama;s fault. Obama has probably had the most diverse administration of people I’ve seen not just in cultural backgrounds but also differences in ideology too. But it seems to me on that day in November when many of us felt like a new chapter with new hope in American history had began, others decided to make it worse. Remember Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, Kevin McCarthy, and several high ranking Republicans actually were meeting the day Obama became president to come up with ways to sabotage him.

133 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2015 8:21:35pm

Criminal uses gun show loophole to get gun. Uses it to kill people. Gun nut argues that he didn’t get the gun legally, but used the loophole. Gun nut is also against closing the loophole because he thinks it’s rarely used by criminals to acquire guns illegally. You can’t make this shit up.

134 Dark_Falcon  Jun 18, 2015 8:23:22pm

re: #131 subterraneanhomesickalien

So why didn’t the little pussy tell someone about it?

Was he complicit? Was he ideologically sympathetic?

If so put him in a jail cell for obstruction.

Long story short: Dalton Tyler could not be charged with Obstruction of Justice in this matter unless he took some action to conceal a crime by Roof or helped Roof evade arrest. Tyler’s simply knowing in general terms that Roof was planning some sort of atrocity and Tyler not reporting that would not constitute a crime.

135 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 8:23:30pm

re: #133 goddamnedfrank

Criminal uses gun show loophole to get gun. Uses it to kill people. Gun nut argues that he didn’t get the gun legally, but used the loophole. Gun nut is also against closing the loophole because he thinks it’s rarely used by criminals to acquire guns illegally. You can’t make this shit up.

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Gun nuts are helpless. By the way that loophole you’re talking about closing, apparently over 70% of even NRA members support doing so but Wayne Little Dick is of course against it because Wayne LaPierre never met a sensible gun policy that he hasn’t wanted to ruin despite teh vast majority of people supporting it.

136 jaunte  Jun 18, 2015 8:27:45pm
137 Tigger2  Jun 18, 2015 8:28:11pm

re: #135 HappyWarrior

Gun nuts are helpless.

I left the NRA years ago when it was taken over by the Rightwing crazies.

138 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 8:28:21pm

re: #136 jaunte

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My grandmother’s age.

139 Dark_Falcon  Jun 18, 2015 8:29:44pm

re: #133 goddamnedfrank

Criminal uses gun show loophole to get gun. Uses it to kill people. Gun nut argues that he didn’t get the gun legally, but used the loophole. Gun nut is also against closing the loophole because he thinks it’s rarely used by criminals to acquire guns illegally. You can’t make this shit up.

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But assuming the murder weapon is the gun Roof was given by his father, then the law was broken at that point, assuming the father knew his son had been charged criminally (which I’m assuming he would). And the father did pass a background check. The violation of the law would only have been detected had police searched Roof’s room or his car while the gun was there or had they found it on his person when he was arrested that second time.

Assuming Roof Sr. knew of his son’s indictment, then he should be charged with buying a firearm for a prohibited person.

140 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 8:30:19pm

re: #137 Tigger2

I left the NRA years ago when it was taken over by the Rightwing crazies.

Wayne LaPierre is one of the worst lobbyists in all of Washington and he’s got a lot of Republicans and even some Democrats sucking his tit. He’s a coward. The NRA in the past to their credit were willing to talk sensibly about guns but then this coward comes along because he’s afraid of anyone who isn’t a white gun fucker like he is thinks he can obstruct any reasonable laws on guns.

141 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 8:30:57pm

re: #139 Dark_Falcon

But assuming the murder weapon is the gun Roof was given by his father, then the law was broken at that point, assuming the father knew his son had been charged criminally (which I’m assuming he would). And the father did pass a background check. The violation of the law would only have been detected had police searched Roof’s room or his car while the gun was there or had they found it on his person when he was arrested that second time.

Assuming Roof Sr. knew of his son’s indictment, then he should be charged with buying a firearm for a prohibited person.

But what does that really accomplish, besides putting his father in prison for a stretch?

142 subterraneanhomesickalien  Jun 18, 2015 8:31:01pm

I don’t see how anyone could look this deadeyed fucking shitstain in the face after finding out his little racist proclivities and hobbies(merit badge in sewing evidently) and not think he was serious.

He has the same dead stare that all these mass shooter types have.

143 danarchy  Jun 18, 2015 8:31:12pm

re: #133 goddamnedfrank

Criminal uses gun show loophole to get gun. Uses it to kill people. Gun nut argues that he didn’t get the gun legally, but used the loophole. Gun nut is also against closing the loophole because he thinks it’s rarely used by criminals to acquire guns illegally. You can’t make this shit up.

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Ok, I am all for closing the gun show loophole, but does anyone seriously think that would have prevented this guy from getting this gun. As far as I can tell, his father got the gun legally and then illegally gave it to his son. I am going to go out on a limb and guess his father knew about the pending charges, so a background check wasn’t going to tell him anything he didn’t know already.

Hopefully they nail his ass too.

144 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2015 8:32:35pm

re: #139 Dark_Falcon

But assuming the murder weapon is the gun Roof was given by his father, then the law was broken at that point, assuming the father knew his son had been charged criminally (which I’m assuming he would). And the father did pass a background check. The violation of the law would only have been detected had police searched Roof’s room or his car while the gun was there or had they found it on his person when he was arrested that second time.

Assuming Roof Sr. knew of his son’s indictment, then he should be charged with buying a firearm for a prohibited person.

And what if he didn’t, or could just smirk like an asshole and plausibly deny that he did?

Do you even see the innate problem with the loophole yet?

145 Dark_Falcon  Jun 18, 2015 8:35:27pm

re: #141 Targetpractice

But what does that really accomplish, besides putting his father in prison for a stretch?

It would punish the man for his wrongdoing: If he knew his son was facing felony charges and gave him a gun anyways, they he committed a serious crime and nine people are dead because of it.

146 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 8:36:43pm

Confused. Thought the uncle gave the gun to him or did he just recognize the gun?

147 psddluva4evah  Jun 18, 2015 8:37:06pm

ICYMI:

An Emotional Stewart Drops the Comedy to Talk Charleston: ‘We Still Won’t Do Jackshit’ mediaite.com

148 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 18, 2015 8:38:24pm

Some of the pre approved insane commentover at Deher’s blog on the shooting:

M_Young says:

June 18, 2015 at 7:59 pm

So who among the cop-critical anti-racists here is going to ‘take responsibility’ for the killing of white cop Brian Moore? Of course, his apparently random shooting had nothing to do with a year or so of anti-cop, particularly anti-white cop, rhetoric.

Panda, ES, Jesse, Cermak_rd…anyone? After all, Demetrius Blackwell just did what you all “fantasize about”, right?

DeepSouthPopulist says:

June 18, 2015 at 12:50 pm

Well clearly the crime is beyond heinous. This is another sad day in America. If the facts are what they appear to be, I believe the death penalty should be applied if SC has it.

It’s also pathetic but predictable that anti-second amendment liberals are wasting no time trying to capitalize on the tragedy for political gain. And as horrifically tragic as the murder of 9 innocents is, and it is, those who bring race into into this analysis ought to keep some perspective. In any complete, non-cherry-picked analysis of personal crimes, the data shows that whites are murdered, raped and attacked by blacks far, far more often than the reverse.

M_Young says:

June 18, 2015 at 1:42 pm

[NFR: That didn’t take long, turning this horrible crime into fodder to attack others on this blog before they’ve said a thing. — RD]

“And of course, I’m sure the resident white supremacists in this combox will disclaim any responsibility for this atrocity ”

The short answer is that I don’t see ES or any of the other ‘anti-racists’ here taking responsibility, however slight, for things like the Hartford Beer Distributor shooting.

Nor do those that bandy the term Islamophobia claim responsibility for things like the Fort Hood shooting, nor do those who advocate loose asylum policies or effective open borders take responsibility for the Boston Marathon bombing or the death of Bob “Christmas Story” Clark at the hands of a drunk driver, already been through the ‘justice system’ and should have been deported illegal alien. No one here has manned up and taken their lumps for the recent police shootings in New York and Michigan despite the many that have used quite heated anti-police rhetoric (including ‘real’ columnists at this site). I’m sure Scott McConnell is pretty upset when a Palestinian [terrorist|freedom fighter] blows up a group of Israeli citizens, but that doesn’t detract from the rightness (or wrongness) of his cause.

Well, that was going to be a short answer, but material just kept occurring to me. A more nuanced but tl;dr comment will follow.

M_Young says:

June 18, 2015 at 1:57 pm

And here’s the longer post

[NFR: That didn’t take long, turning this horrible crime into fodder to attack others on this blog before they’ve said a thing. — RD]

Not surprising. And Selvar is right in a way, ideas do have consequences. For those of us who believe in white rights we will no matter what be blamed, by forces far more powerful than a blog commenter, for this crime. If I feel guilt, the majority of it comes from feeling bad for what this will do to a completely legitimate movement (as legitimate as any other ethnic movement) to promote white interests in the US (or a successor state).

I should be sympathetic to the victims and families, and am as far as it is possible to be sympathetic to people you don’t know and have never met. Still, it is natural, if not exactly noble, to worry about how events affect your own life and interests, and this will be a setback.

Yeah…there was more to that post.

149 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 8:38:49pm

re: #147 psddluva4evah

ICYMI:

An Emotional Stewart Drops the Comedy to Talk Charleston: ‘We Still Won’t Do Jackshit’ mediaite.com

He’s sadly right. There will be talk about reasonable gun law reform but it will get shouted down immediately.

150 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2015 8:38:59pm

And yeah, let’s just completely ignore the assholes who steadfastly oppose repealing the private party transfer loophole because it won’t magically end all gun crime. Because that’s totally reasonable.

151 subterraneanhomesickalien  Jun 18, 2015 8:39:01pm

re: #147 psddluva4evah

ICYMI:

An Emotional Stewart Drops the Comedy to Talk Charleston: ‘We Still Won’t Do Jackshit’ mediaite.com

Maybe that’s why Stewart is really leaving the show.

The cynical glazing he’s been forced to take on over the years as a viewer of American politics has finally hardened and his soul can’t take it anymore?

152 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 8:39:59pm

re: #151 subterraneanhomesickalien

Maybe that’s why Stewart is really leaving the show.

The cynical glazing he’s been forced to take on over the years as a viewer of American politics has finally hardened and his soul can’t take it anymore?

I do think the poor man is disillusioned a bit. It was a different time when he took over for Kilborn in the 90’s.

153 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 8:40:14pm

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

It would punish the man for his wrongdoing: If he knew his son was facing felony charges and gave him a gun anyways, they he committed a serious crime and nine people are dead because of it.

And the problem with the loophole, as Frank pointed out, is that getting a conviction will mean convincing a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that the father knew his son was charged with a felony and gave him the gun anyway.

154 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 8:41:35pm

re: #148 Aunty Entity Dragon

Some of the pre approved insane commentover at Deher’s blog on the shooting:

The short answer is that I don’t see ES or any of the other ‘anti-racists’ here taking responsibility, however slight, for things like the Hartford Beer Distributor shooting.

Nor do those that bandy the term Islamophobia claim responsibility for things like the Fort Hood shooting, nor do those who advocate loose asylum policies or effective open borders take responsibility for the Boston Marathon bombing or the death of Bob “Christmas Story” Clark at the hands of a drunk driver, already been through the ‘justice system’ and should have been deported illegal alien. No one here has manned up and taken their lumps for the recent police shootings in New York and Michigan despite the many that have used quite heated anti-police rhetoric (including ‘real’ columnists at this site). I’m sure Scott McConnell is pretty upset when a Palestinian [terrorist|freedom fighter] blows up a group of Israeli citizens, but that doesn’t detract from the rightness (or wrongness) of his cause.

Well, that was going to be a short answer, but material just kept occurring to me. A more nuanced but tl;dr comment will follow.

Not surprising. And Selvar is right in a way, ideas do have consequences. For those of us who believe in white rights we will no matter what be blamed, by forces far more powerful than a blog commenter, for this crime. If I feel guilt, the majority of it comes from feeling bad for what this will do to a completely legitimate movement (as legitimate as any other ethnic movement) to promote white interests in the US (or a successor state).

I should be sympathetic to the victims and families, and am as far as it is possible to be sympathetic to people you don’t know and have never met. Still, it is natural, if not exactly noble, to worry about how events affect your own life and interests, and this will be a setback.

Yeah…there was more to that post.

Tehy cry about “anti second amendment liberals” but not one word for those on the right who have attempted to make this into an attack on Christianity only. Shocked I am not.

155 danarchy  Jun 18, 2015 8:41:50pm

re: #153 Targetpractice

And the problem with the loophole, as Frank pointed out, is that getting a conviction will mean convincing a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that the father knew his son was charged with a felony and gave him the gun anyway.

Yeah, hoping there is some concrete evidence like say, maybe the father paid his bail, or maybe he was in court for the arraignment.

156 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 8:42:55pm

re: #155 danarchy

Yeah, hoping there is some concrete evidence like say, maybe the father paid his bail, or maybe he was in court for the arraignment.

or helped to hire his attorney. Hopefully some evidence will emerge.

157 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 18, 2015 8:43:11pm

More fun at Dreherland

Aaron Gross says:

June 18, 2015 at 3:50 pm

@Selvar, I really identify with your comment. I had the same feeling about two decades ago, when my political views began to change and become more pro-white, pro-Christian majority.

It occurred to me then that if Americans were to start talking truthfully about religion, ethnicity, and race, then there would probably be an increase in immoral and unacceptable behavior, including even violence, against minorities (including my own). One thing that still bothers me about the people you mention and their colleagues is that they refuse even to acknowledge that there might be a problem there.

I don’t believe that it’s always right to speak the truth; you’re partly responsible for what happens as a result of what you say, including even nut cases like the killer here. But I think the good that comes from restoring the dominant religion, ethnicity, and race (Christian, Anglo-Saxon, white) to their proper place in the culture outweighs the increase in injustice that would result against minorities. And yes, I am talking about cultural hegemony; and no, I am not talking about restoring Jim Crow or the Confederacy or whatever.

In any case, I don’t think it’s a question that can be answered in terms of abstract principles. The only way to answer it is to weigh the actual expected consequences of your political position, including those consequences that you don’t intend or condone, including horrific events like this one.

theamericanconservative.com

Jesus wept.

Rod claims he doesn’t believe in HBD…but I have no idea why he continues to allow out and out white supremacists to post (remember, this is a moderated site) while he bans GLBT critics.

158 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2015 8:45:06pm

Eventually, some day, hopefully many years out yet, I’m going to have to go to the gun shop to officially transfer another eighteen or so guns from my Dad’s collection into mine. Every single one will have to be serial checked and I’ll have to go through yet another background check. All because California isn’t retarded about this shit and because I’m the only one in the family he trusts to take possession of them.

But that’s not normal, most States don’t require this and the idea that family alone is the best judge of character is just fucking insane.

159 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 8:45:23pm

re: #155 danarchy

Yeah, hoping there is some concrete evidence like say, maybe the father paid his bail, or maybe he was in court for the arraignment.

Exactly. From the sounds of it, Roof is out on his own, so unless there’s evidence that his father either paid bail or appeared with him in court, he could argue that he wasn’t aware Dylann was in trouble with the law, or that he did but wasn’t aware of the details.

160 jaunte  Jun 18, 2015 8:45:27pm

re: #157 Aunty Entity Dragon

“…the good that comes from restoring the dominant religion, ethnicity, and race (Christian, Anglo-Saxon, white) to their proper place in the culture outweighs the increase in injustice that would result against minorities…”

Well there you go, nothing extreme there, it’s all for the greater good.

161 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 18, 2015 8:47:29pm

re: #132 HappyWarrior

Have we actually regressed? I mean it here. I mean we did make history and man am I glad I was part of it in making Barack Obama our first African-American president but have we actually gotten worse? This isn’t Obama;s fault. Obama has probably had the most diverse administration of people I’ve seen not just in cultural backgrounds but also differences in ideology too. But it seems to me on that day in November when many of us felt like a new chapter with new hope in American history had began, others decided to make it worse. Remember Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, Kevin McCarthy, and several high ranking Republicans actually were meeting the day Obama became president to come up with ways to sabotage him.

Yes, I think we have lost significant ground in relations between black and white America…and it was working class older whites for the most part who completely lost their shit.

162 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 18, 2015 8:48:16pm

re: #146 HappyWarrior

Confused. Thought the uncle gave the gun to him or did he just recognize the gun?

The uncle said the father gave him a gun for his 21st birthday.

Some of the early reporting was confusing on that issue.

163 subterraneanhomesickalien  Jun 18, 2015 8:49:37pm

re: #157 Aunty Entity Dragon

More fun at Dreherland

theamericanconservative.com

Jesus wept.

Rod claims he doesn’t believe in HBD…but I have no idea why he continues to allow out and out white supremacists to post (remember, this is a moderated site) while he bans GLBT critics.

One of the more articulate advocates for ethnic cleansing you will find I suppose.

By the way what mechanism would he propose to use to reenforce his preferred white christian male cutural and political dominance upon the nation as a whole?

Sounds like you would need something really fucking similar to Jim Crow.

164 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2015 8:51:44pm

Adam Baldwin pissing off his fellow Firefly cast members now.

165 Romantic Heretic  Jun 18, 2015 8:52:26pm

re: #148 Aunty Entity Dragon

to promote white interests in the US (or a successor state).

Did you notice that this man is planning to betray the country he claims to love?

166 Dark_Falcon  Jun 18, 2015 8:54:21pm

re: #163 subterraneanhomesickalien

One of the more articulate advocates for ethnic cleansing you will find I suppose.

By the way what mechanism would he propose to use to reenforce his preferred white christian male cutural and political dominance upon the nation as a whole?

Sounds like you would need something really fucking similar to Jim Crow.

If I was stupid, I’d hazard a guess as to what that guy was thinking. But I’m actually smart enough to know how likely I’d be to get yelled at by Goddamnedfrank no matter what I put forward. So I’m going refrain from speculating.

Retracted. That was itself an unwise thing to say.

167 Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 18, 2015 8:55:03pm

re: #163 subterraneanhomesickalien

One of the more articulate advocates for ethnic cleansing you will find I suppose.

By the way what mechanism would he propose to use to reenforce his preferred white christian male cutural and political dominance upon the nation as a whole?

Sounds like you would need something really fucking similar to Jim Crow.

Well, of course, “Jim Crow” has such bad historical connotations. Maybe we’d have to call it something like “James Corvus”

168 Kragar  Jun 18, 2015 8:55:56pm

re: #164 goddamnedfrank

The solution to a gun humper barricading himself in his house and screaming “MOLON LABE” is to burn down the house.

169 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2015 8:56:00pm

re: #164 goddamnedfrank

D’ERE GUNNA TAK AR GUNZ!!!

One of the stupidest fucking things a wingnut can say. When someone says this to me, I immediately know that they’re intellectually defective and probably an asshole.

There are over 300 million guns in circulation in the United States.

170 Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 18, 2015 8:57:36pm

re: #165 Romantic Heretic

Did you notice that this man is planning to betray the country he claims to love?

Well, it’s the country that no longer lets people like him own people like Them, and lets Them vote and hold office, and won’t let him make Them get up and move if he wants their seat on the bus.

You know, he didn’t leave America, America left him.
//

171 Kragar  Jun 18, 2015 9:00:57pm

These cops are dangerously insane

172 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2015 9:01:48pm

In other words, it’s not the deliberate racist hatred or growing up in a State that officially endorses it by flying Confederate flag. No, it’s “the drugs,” he’s “insane.” #wejustdontknow

173 danarchy  Jun 18, 2015 9:02:54pm

re: #156 HappyWarrior

or helped to hire his attorney. Hopefully some evidence will emerge.

Well it looks like the lawyer representing him on the drug charge has known the family for years since he represented Dylann’s father in a custody issue when he was getting divorced.

Not a smoking gun, but if I were a betting man…

motherjones.com

174 Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2015 9:06:25pm

re: #172 goddamnedfrank

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In other words, it’s not the deliberate racist hatred or growing up in a State that officially endorses it by flying Confederate flag, it’s “the drugs,” he’s “insane.” #wejustdontknow

“Reefer madness,” man!

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175 prairiefire  Jun 18, 2015 9:10:28pm

re: #172 goddamnedfrank

A special snowflake? Like Hemlock?

176 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 18, 2015 9:11:04pm

re: #168 Kragar

The solution to a gun humper barricading himself in his house and screaming “MOLON LABE” is to burn down the house.

Blessed is the mind too small for doubt.
Through the destruction of our enemies do we earn our salvation!

177 prairiefire  Jun 18, 2015 9:12:39pm

I’m afraid our american liberties also give reign to american homicide.

178 Kragar  Jun 18, 2015 9:13:38pm

re: #176 Aunty Entity Dragon

Blessed is the mind too small for doubt.
Through the destruction of our enemies do we earn our salvation!

You get more with a kind word and an incinerator than with just a kind word.

179 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 18, 2015 9:14:46pm

re: #171 Kragar

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These cops are dangerously insane

The word you look for is “Absolutist”.

And yes, they really are that nuts. They are actually advocating criminalization of speech.

180 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 18, 2015 9:15:23pm

re: #178 Kragar

You get more with a kind word and an incinerator than with just a kind word.

Is that a storm bolter in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?

181 prairiefire  Jun 18, 2015 9:16:20pm

re: #158 goddamnedfrank

You come from hearty stock. I think I see where you get your gumption.

182 Charles Johnson  Jun 18, 2015 9:17:09pm
183 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2015 9:21:11pm

re: #182 Charles Johnson

Who is this person that runs @pilotg171? They seem pretty hellbent on making UpChuck look like a fool, as that’s all their Twitter feed consists of. And it happens to be some of the more damning things on the miserable puke.

184 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2015 9:21:16pm
185 goddamnedfrank  Jun 18, 2015 9:21:45pm

re: #181 prairiefire

You come from hearty stock. I think I see where you get your gumption.

Let’s be honest, I come from people with a retarded number of guns. I have a retarded number of guns. There’s no explaining it if this isn’t your family background, because it’s retarded, and you can’t explain retardation to the non-retarded.

I think in the abstract modern firearms are mechanically clever interesting little devices. They should also be much more heavily regulated, because they’re lethal as fuck and designed to fill you with regret if you disrespect their nature for even a split second.

186 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 18, 2015 9:24:57pm

re: #185 goddamnedfrank

Let’s be honest, I come from people with a retarded number of guns. I have a retarded number of guns. There’s no explaining it if this isn’t your family background, because it’s retarded, and you can’t explain retardation to the non-retarded.

I think in the abstract modern firearms are mechanically clever interesting little devices. They should also be much more heavily regulated, because they’re lethal as fuck and designed to fill you with regret if you disrespect their nature for even a split second.

As told to me by a member of the St Augustine artillery crew at the fort:

“This cannon belongs to the God of War. It does not belong to you. Respect that at all times. If you forget this for the slightest moment, the God of War will fuck you up, and everyone around you with complete finality.”

187 Kragar  Jun 18, 2015 9:25:26pm

re: #180 Aunty Entity Dragon

Is that a storm bolter in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?

Yes and yes.

188 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2015 9:27:24pm

re: #183 teleskiguy

Operator of said Twitter is obviously on UpChuck’s Facebook friends list, that’s a good thing. A person on the inside!

I tried to friend UpChuck, was denied pretty much right away. His Facebook is private. As is mine, BTW.

189 Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 18, 2015 9:28:28pm

re: #186 Aunty Entity Dragon

As told to me by a member of the St Augustine artillery crew at the fort:

“This cannon belongs to the God of War. It does not belong to you. Respect that at all times. If you forget this for the slightest moment, the God of War will fuck you up, and everyone around you with complete finality.”

Anytime I comment on any gun-related thread on FB, I’m always accused of being ‘afraid of guns’.

My position is that if you aren’t afraid of them, you’re a fucking moron, and you’ll be lucky not to kill yourself or someone else.

190 Kragar  Jun 18, 2015 9:29:57pm
191 prairiefire  Jun 18, 2015 9:30:56pm

re: #185 goddamnedfrank

I come from war veterans who are have a retarded (sic) anathema to guns. Makes them uggy to the nth degree. Responsibility to american society is the equating factor. I hope your folks would agree. I feel *** you are the designated party of responsibility. {{GDF}}}

192 austin_blue  Jun 18, 2015 9:31:40pm

I don’t think I can rationally comment on the reaction from the Cons that this horror show has engendered, but I’ll try. There’s something intrinsically evil in much of the American psyche right now. Anyone who tries to explain this act as anything but full-blown racist rage is not in touch with reality.

What the young man did was insane, and he was able to do it because he had a handgun.

Full stop.

Good night, all. I hope you won’t have nightmares and night sweats, but if you do, I will completely understand. This was evil, heinous, and unacceptable in a civilized society. It has to stop.

193 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 18, 2015 9:33:10pm

re: #192 austin_blue

I don’t think I can rationally comment on the reaction from the Cons that this horror show has engendered, but I’ll try. There’s something intrinsically evil in much of the American psyche right now. Anyone who tries to explain this act as anything but full-blown racist rage is not in touch with reality.

What the young man did was insane, and he was able to do it because he had a handgun.

Full stop.

Good night, all. I hope you won’t have nightmares and night sweats, but if you do, I will completely understand. This was evil, heinous, and unacceptable in a civilized society. It has to stop.

Who said this was a civilized society?

194 Teukka  Jun 18, 2015 9:34:17pm

re: #192 austin_blue

I don’t think I can rationally comment on the reaction from the Cons that this horror show has engendered, but I’ll try. There’s something intrinsically evil in much of the American psyche right now. Anyone who tries to explain this act as anything but full-blown racist rage is not in touch with reality.

I’m more and more feeling that there is a part of the political spectrum, not only in the US but in the Western world, which is in various degrees lacking anchoring in reality.

What the young man did was insane, and he was able to do it because he had a handgun.

Full stop.

Good night, all. I hope you won’t have nightmares and night sweats, but if you do, I will completely understand. This was evil, heinous, and unacceptable in a civilized society. It has to stop.

But… But… Butt… FREEDUMB!

195 Dr Lizardo  Jun 18, 2015 9:36:47pm

I’mma just drop this here. A list from the SPLC detailing a variety of incidents since the OKC bombing.

splcenter.org

Chris Rock said it best; “‘I ain’t scared of Al-Qaeda! I’m from Brooklyn… I don’t give a f**k about Al-Qaeda! Mother f**k Al-Qaeda. Did Al-Qaeda blow up the building in Oklahoma? NO! Did Al-Qaeda put anthrax in your mail? NO! Did Al-Qaeda drag James Byrd onto the street till his eyes popped out of his f**kin’ head? NO! I ain’t scared of Al-Qaeda! I’m scared of Al-Cracka!’”

196 prairiefire  Jun 18, 2015 9:38:41pm

re: #195 Dr Lizardo

I had the pleasure of seeing him in a black comedy club in 1996. His honesty was blazoned by his talent.

197 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 18, 2015 9:38:47pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

From that article:

“The constitution does a lot to protect people,” said John Burns, Johnson’s St. Louis-based attorney. “Even people who are in the spotlight are entitled to certain protections, too. There’s lots of defamation there. Frankly, textbook defamation.”

The suit says they are seeking at least $66 million in actual and punitive damages, though Burns said they are seeking a recovery of about $20 million.

Burns would not elaborate as to why the suit was filed in Missouri, citing “strategy.”

“I will say this: I’m not an idiot,” Burns said.

That remains to be seen, in my book.

And since when is John an acceptable alternative to Jonathon? These are two different names. I should know.

198 Romantic Heretic  Jun 18, 2015 9:40:37pm

re: #193 Aunty Entity Dragon

Who said this was a civilized society?

Was it Oscar Wilde who said America is the only nation that went from barbarism to decadence with no interval of civilization in between?

199 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2015 9:41:33pm

Jon Stewart told no jokes for his monologue tonight.

Video

200 BeachDem  Jun 18, 2015 9:47:51pm

re: #197 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

From that article:

That remains to be seen, in my book.

And since when is John an acceptable alternative to Jonathon? These are two different names. I should know.

I’ve wondered that about Burns before. Seems highly odd for him to use both Jonathon and John (he also goes by John C. according to his AVVO listing.)

201 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 18, 2015 9:54:51pm

re: #200 BeachDem

I’ve wondered that about Burns before. Seems highly odd for him to use both Jonathon and John (he also goes by John C. according to his AVVO listing.)

Dewey Cheatham Daly, D. C. Daly, Dewey C. Daly…

202 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 18, 2015 9:56:45pm

re: #201 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Dewey Cheatham Daly, D. C. Daly, Dewey C. Daly…

…

203 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 18, 2015 9:58:03pm

Russia Demands Probe into U.S. Moon Landing

Russia’s investigative committee spokesman has demanded that an international investigation be launched into the U.S. 1969 moon landings, after a US-led investigation into the world governing body FIFA, cast doubt over the fairness of choosing Russia to host the next World Cup…

If you thought that the RWNJs loved Putin before…

204 #FergusonFireside  Jun 18, 2015 9:59:05pm

re: #199 teleskiguy

Jon Stewart told no jokes for his monologue tonight.

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Too many tears tonight.

Thanks for posting.

Nighty all.

205 BeachDem  Jun 18, 2015 10:00:59pm

I wasn’t here earlier during the whole South Carolina flag discussion, so wanted to add a few notes.

It is nauseating. I was at the State House two weeks ago, and seeing that thing on the grounds makes me ill. But, the loons here are not going to take it down without a huge fight. Vincent Sheheen, who ran against Nikki in both 2010 and 2014 brought it up as an issue in the 2014 election. He lost to Icky Nikki by about twice the margin that he did in 2010.

Whenever that flag comes up, I think of the scene from “Sports Night” (my very favorite TV show) that was about a football player refusing to play under the flag (the episode was called “The Six Southern Gentlemen of Tennessee.”)

Robert Guillaume’s character gives an “on-air editorial” that tears my guts out every time:

In the history of the South, there’s
much to celebrate. And that flag is a
desecration of all of it. It’s a
banner of hatred and separation. It’s
a banner of ignorance and violence and
a war that pitted brother against
brother, and to ask young black men
and women, young Jewish men and women,
Asians, Native Americans, to ask
Americans to walk beneath its shadow
is a humiliation of irreducable
proportions. And we all know it.

206 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2015 10:02:46pm

It really is. Good stuff abounds at LGF. Good information, good jokes, good music, good diversity, good people.

207 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 10:07:01pm

re: #203 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Russia Demands Probe into U.S. Moon Landing

If you thought that the RWNJs loved Putin before…

Just to put some context onto it, it’s not “Russia demanding a probe”, it’s a Russian official flirting with the CT in order to make a rhetorical point about jurisdictional issues (related to the US FIFA investigation).

It doesn’t make it less derpy (because it’s a high-placed official flirting with a demented CT), but it’s not the same as “demanding a probe”.

208 prairiefire  Jun 18, 2015 10:07:28pm

re: #205 BeachDem

I’m so sorry {{{BeachDem}}} Blood lies heavy.

209 BeachDem  Jun 18, 2015 10:08:51pm

re: #206 teleskiguy

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It really is. Good stuff abounds at LGF. Good information, good jokes, good diversity, good people.

And damn, I missed celebrating my 1-year LGF anniversary by 7-1/2 hours (June 18, 2014 5:36 pm). I year—2 pages—3,454 comments— 12,168 Karma points and a lot of learning and great conversations.
(And even though I’m not a gamer, am allergic to cats AND garlic, and have rather minimal tech skills, I still feel the love!)

210 prairiefire  Jun 18, 2015 10:11:34pm

re: #209 BeachDem

I think I could sway you on the garlic…(BD)

211 BeachDem  Jun 18, 2015 10:15:39pm

re: #210 prairiefire

I think I could sway you on the garlic…(BD)

Sway me? Or make me puke myself silly? (It either makes me puke or have the sensation of having aluminum foil in my mouth for about 7 hours—neither very pleasant.)

212 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2015 10:17:41pm

re: #209 BeachDem

And damn, I missed celebrating my 1-year LGF anniversary by 7-1/2 hours (June 18, 2014 5:36 pm). I year—2 pages—3,454 comments— 12,168 Karma points and a lot of learning and great conversations.
(And even though I’m not a gamer, am allergic to cats AND garlic, and have rather minimal tech skills, I still feel the love!)

When I first joined, I was booted soon after because I wished ill will and violence on Glenn Beck. Charles was nice enough to rescind Stinky’s decree after a couple of emails. After that, I was largely a lurker, I barely commented at all and I made damn well sure that if I was commenting it had to do with article at hand. I’d say I became a “regular” when I moved to the city (Denver) after I finished school. My commenting rate picks up a little in those days (2011-12). And now, 92 pages, 6,442 comments and 23,179 karma (good ratio, ain’t it?!?) later, I go by Tel, or Ski for short around these parts. I prefer Ski, ‘cause Ski has taught me to really live life.

Uh, WTF was I talking about? Oh yeah! LGF.

213 allegro  Jun 18, 2015 10:17:55pm

This is OT but might be something of interest, or a forwarning at least. I was in the car on the way out to dinner with a friend when I got a call. Not having my glasses on to see that it was a private number, I answered it - I usually don’t answer such calls. So it was this young woman from mumble asking if I was (my name) and saying I was being served mumble mumble. I asked, who are you? She said something about process server, clearly nervous, and that she was just a receptionist. I was in the car so I couldn’t really hear well. She suggested that she call back and leave a voice mail with the info. Okay.

It was this threatening message about a complaint filed against me with a case number and a demand that I call this 855 number within 24 hours or the case will proceed. Freaked me out. There’s no reason in hell anyone would have reason for a complaint - well okay sometimes I play music kinda loud late at night and my dog barks at people, but hey, not worth suing over - unless my identity has been stolen or something. I even checked my curent credit report. No problem. Then I thought to google the phone number. Oh. The number I got was one digit off but it was the same story. Scam.

Now I wanna know how they got my number that I don’t give to anyone without seriously good reason. I even give a fake number for online orders and stuff. Pisses me off.

214 prairiefire  Jun 18, 2015 10:27:03pm

re: #211 BeachDem

Have you tried shallots? Most likely it’s an allergy to bulb type herbs.

215 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2015 10:27:41pm

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216 allegro  Jun 18, 2015 10:27:48pm

re: #214 prairiefire

Have you tried shallots? Most likely it’s an allergy to bulb type herbs.

Onions are also in the lily family.

217 BeachDem  Jun 18, 2015 10:31:47pm

re: #214 prairiefire

Have you tried shallots? Most likely it’s an allergy to bulb type herbs.

Shallots don’t work for me either—nor do raw onions (and I hate the taste of onions cooked in stuff.) I think of myself as easy to please, foodwise, until I start listing the things I don’t eat, and then I sigh and realize I’m kind of a picky eater.

218 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 18, 2015 10:33:24pm

I made a tasty pasta sauce tonight for dinner, which would make BeachDem sad because it started with sauteing garlic in olive oil and then adding canned tomatoes and canned tomato sauce and jazzing it up.

One of the better ones I’ve ever made, in fact.

219 allegro  Jun 18, 2015 10:35:18pm

re: #217 BeachDem

Shallots don’t work for me either—nor do raw onions (and I hate the taste of onions cooked in stuff.) I think of myself as easy to please, foodwise, until I start listing the things I don’t eat, and then I sigh and realize I’m kind of a picky eater.

You would not have liked my pizza then. I live for onions and garlic.

220 BeachDem  Jun 18, 2015 10:54:44pm

re: #218 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I made a tasty pasta sauce tonight for dinner, which would make BeachDem sad because it started with sauteing garlic in olive oil and then adding canned tomatoes and canned tomato sauce and jazzing it up.

One of the better ones I’ve ever made, in fact.

I was thinking of you when I made the garlic confession!

There are a few things I love enough (shrimp creole; cioppino) that I’ll chew on Zantac and suffer the consequences if there’s a lot of garlic in them, but usually, when I’m eating out, I have 2-3 potential dishes in mind that require quizzing the wait staff about the garlic content and then making a fast decision so as not to drive everyone crazy.

Or I just make them at home and substitute other flavors.

I was not a happy camper during the great “garlic mashed potatoes are the best thing since sliced bread and go with everything” era of culinary history.

221 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 18, 2015 11:01:42pm

re: #220 BeachDem

It would be an interesting challenge to cook without garlic for you.

Or onions.

I think there were probably 8 cloves’ worth in dinner tonight.

222 prairiefire  Jun 18, 2015 11:02:24pm

re: #217 BeachDem

If you cook for yourself then you are a comfort eater(a good thing). Happy Anniversary, bd.

223 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2015 11:05:47pm
224 allegro  Jun 18, 2015 11:05:54pm

re: #221 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It would be an interesting challenge to cook without garlic for you.

Or onions.

I think there were probably 8 cloves’ worth in dinner tonight.

Keeps those arteries open and platelets nice and slippery. Gotta love it when stuff you enjoy is really good for your body. :)

225 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 18, 2015 11:08:12pm

re: #224 allegro

Keeps those arteries open and platelets nice and slippery. Gotta love it when stuff you enjoy is really good for your body. :)

I’m cooking a bunch tomorrow in prep for the camping trip mr. klys and I are taking up to the Sierras this next week, and I should probably get a little more garlic.

It’s a good thing he likes garlic and olives, because otherwise he would hate my cooking. (And mushrooms. And cucumber. And cilantro. And onion.)

It’s always an interesting challenge when my in-laws visit and I get to dance around dietary requirements and quirks that I’m not used to.

226 allegro  Jun 18, 2015 11:08:36pm

re: #223 teleskiguy

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Vivid earth fart. Spectacular stars in the sky. Something us city dwellers don’t get to appreciate.

227 allegro  Jun 18, 2015 11:12:49pm

re: #225 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m cooking a bunch tomorrow in prep for the camping trip mr. klys and I are taking up to the Sierras this next week, and I should probably get a little more garlic.

It’s a good thing he likes garlic and olives, because otherwise he would hate my cooking. (And mushrooms. And cucumber. And cilantro. And onion.)

It’s always an interesting challenge when my in-laws visit and I get to dance around dietary requirements and quirks that I’m not used to.

Always take fresh garlic and basil when camping. Garlic as a powerful antibiotic - very superior to antibiotic ointments which seal infection in with petroleum - in case of cuts or burns. Fresh basil to bruise and apply to instatly stop the burn and inflammation of insect stings.

My hippie dippy herbal remedies for tonight.

228 BeachDem  Jun 18, 2015 11:16:00pm

re: #222 prairiefire

If you cook for yourself then you are a comfort eater(a good thing). Happy Anniversary, bd.

Thanks. I also cook for company quite a bit, and have figured out tricks to up the flavor levels without garlic or onions. Never get complaints from my dinner guests.

And, Klys—your 8 cloves of garlic would have sent me over the edge (but I do love mushrooms and peppers, and all varieties of olives—hold the cilantro and substitute basil or rosemary.)

229 BeachDem  Jun 18, 2015 11:19:52pm

re: #227 allegro

Always take fresh garlic and basil when camping. Garlic as a powerful antibiotic - very superior to antibiotic ointments which seal infection in with petroleum - in case of cuts or burns. Fresh basil to bruise and apply to instatly stop the burn and inflammation of insect stings.

My hippie dippy herbal remedies for tonight.

See—I said I always learn things here, and there you are! I’ll definitely have to remember the basil tip—will have to stick with Neosporin instead of garlic!

230 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 11:21:13pm

[Homer’s voice:] Mmm, garlic…

231 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 18, 2015 11:21:32pm

re: #228 BeachDem

And, Klys—your 8 cloves of garlic would have sent me over the edge (but I do love mushrooms and peppers, and all varieties of olives—hold the cilantro and substitute basil or rosemary.)

I am not, typically, a garlic-lite cook. :) But I can and do play with things for company - if I can handle cooking for my mother-in-law,* I should be able to handle you.

* Digestive issues.

232 BeachDem  Jun 18, 2015 11:22:15pm

And now I’d better go to bed—a. because it’s 2:21 am and I only got 3 hours of sleep last night, and b. because, even though I’m not hungry, if we talk much more about food, I’ll have to cook something!

233 allegro  Jun 18, 2015 11:22:24pm

re: #229 BeachDem

See—I said I always learn things here, and there you are! I’ll definitely have to remember the basil tip—will have to stick with Neosporin instead of garlic!

The basil trick is the best thing ever. Since you are using it externally, garlic may not be out of the question but always better safe than sorry if there’s an allergy.

234 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2015 11:23:50pm

re: #226 allegro

Spectacular stars in the sky. Something us city dwellers don’t get to appreciate.

I love the stars. I’ve been to places so far from artificial light that I could still see the arc of the Milky Way even under a waxing gibbous Moon.

235 BeachDem  Jun 18, 2015 11:24:51pm

re: #233 allegro

The basil trick is the best thing ever. Since you are using it externally, garlic may not be out of the question but always better safe than sorry if there’s an allergy.

The smell of the garlic alone would prevent me from going there.
(Homer’s voice: Ewww, garlic.)

236 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 11:28:52pm

Fresh rye bread, good salo and a clove of garlic. Now I’m salivating.

237 allegro  Jun 18, 2015 11:29:31pm

re: #234 teleskiguy

I love the stars. I’ve been to places so far from artificial light that I could still see the arc of the Milky Way even under a waxing gibbous Moon.

I’ve only ever seen that from the mountains and it is breathtaking. Kinda creepy and other-worldly when you’re not used to it.

238 allegro  Jun 18, 2015 11:32:34pm

re: #236 Nyet

Fresh rye bread, good salo and a clove of garlic. Now I’m salivating.

Heh, it reminded me of my leftovers from our Italian restaurant dinner and the delicious garlic bread I stashed in there. Just as good cold. Nom. Saving the cannolli for tomorrow though.

239 Kragar  Jun 18, 2015 11:32:51pm
240 BeachDem  Jun 18, 2015 11:35:24pm

One more comment before I leave—today was a terrible day, mainly because of the Charleston horror. It was terrible in general, and really close to the bone, because, as I mentioned, I had friends who were two blocks away from the church when it happened, and had a few others who, had the evening’s events not fallen just the way they did, might have even been at the church. (other legislator friends who were friends of Clem’s, and who were in Charleston for the Hillary event.)

This evening was our Dem Women’s group meeting where we awarded our annual scholarships to graduating high school seniors, and the kids who won this year, and the essays they wrote, were just heart-warming. It was a wonderful evening, with everyone really coming together and sharing stories, and hope, and a commitment to do positive things, and it was great.

And the kids were so enthusiastic, and so positive and so ready to go out and change the world for the better that it really lifted everyone’s spirits about the future.

241 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 11:36:25pm

re: #239 Kragar

Niche knowledge absolutely does indicate extra-commitment.

242 allegro  Jun 18, 2015 11:38:06pm

re: #239 Kragar

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That’s what Happy Warrior has been saying all day as well.

243 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 11:40:39pm

re: #242 allegro

That’s what Happy Warrior has been saying all day as well.

Not quite the same. HW was thinking this had to do with some familial Afrikaner ties.

244 allegro  Jun 18, 2015 11:43:34pm

re: #243 Nyet

Not quite the same. HW was thinking this had to do with some familial Afrikaner ties.

That too, but he commented on how wierd it was for a 21 year old to be so aware of the topic. It’s obscure and old enough that he wondered about family ties because wtf. At least that”s what I took from it.

245 prairiefire  Jun 18, 2015 11:45:57pm

re: #237 allegro

The stars in Texas, que bueno!

246 allegro  Jun 18, 2015 11:46:57pm

re: #245 prairiefire

The stars in Texas, que bueno!

In some areas they are indeed, especially Big Bend.

247 allegro  Jun 18, 2015 11:50:11pm

re: #245 prairiefire

The stars in Texas, que bueno!

Have you ever seen the Marfa lights?

248 prairiefire  Jun 18, 2015 11:52:23pm

re: #244 allegro

What he was quoted as saying to the survivors in the church was text book KKK. His middle name and the foreign flag tags on his jacket. This young man was a born and bred killer racist in the US of A.

249 Nyet  Jun 18, 2015 11:52:40pm

That it’s weird and stands out goes without saying. One possible explanation was SA roots, it doesn’t seem to have been confirmed. Another explanation is that either he was with a group that deals in the memes, or he took time to “educate” himself at specific websites that deal in the memes. Either way it shows extra-effort and indicates a larger problem, because of course there’s a whole subculture built around specifically Rhodesia. I know some Russian and Ukrainian fans, some of whom are even otherwise sane people.

250 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 11:52:45pm

re: #243 Nyet

Not quite the same. HW was thinking this had to do with some familial Afrikaner ties.

Right. I was thinking that his mother, father, or perhaps both were South African immigrants. When I heard that he apparently was a Neo-Confederate sympathizer though, I reversed myself. It is clear to me though that Dylann Roof definitely did immerse himself in learning as much about a quite obscure regime enough that he would want to get their flag as a patch.

251 teleskiguy  Jun 18, 2015 11:57:02pm

re: #234 teleskiguy

Here’s one of the spots I was able to see the arc of the Milky Way under a bright moon. Hiked here on skis. Picture taken in the daytime, obviously.

252 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 11:58:06pm

re: #244 allegro

That too, but he commented on how wierd it was for a 21 year old to be so aware of the topic. It’s obscure and old enough that he wondered about family ties because wtf. At least that”s what I took from it.

That was why I thought he had family ties at first. It’s that obscure. As I said earlier, I’m pretty well versed in history, this was what I got my BA in but I really know nothing about Ian Smith and Rhodesia outside some basics. I now think what Sergey is saying in 249 that he definitely immersed himself in learning about it. I believe a comp I used earlier would be an avid leftist owning a flag or patch with the Spanish Republic of the 1930’s. Not that I was comparing the Spanish Republic to Rhodesia and South Africa during Apartheid in their actions mind you but that both are fairly obscure and would take someone who deeply immersed in a subculture to want to educate themselves about them. I still think Dylann Roof had some key role model- a parent, relative, or perhaps some other adult in his life that adcuated himself about it because as you’re saying it’s definitely odd for a 21 year old to want to know about this regimes. My instinct that he is the son of white South African immigrants was because of that obscurity.

253 HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2015 11:59:54pm

re: #248 prairiefire

What he was quoted as saying to the survivors in the churgh was text book KKK. His middle name and the foreign flag tags on his jacket. This young man was a born and bred killer racist in the US of A.

Lots of intersection between the KKK mindset and white supremacists in South Africa though. Anyhow, I never doubted he was American raised but I thought that given the obscurity of the regime he admired enough to put on his jacket that he had some kind of ties to that area.

254 prairiefire  Jun 19, 2015 12:00:19am

re: #247 allegro

No, but we have ghost lights in a mid-central MO cemetery that my Husband has claimed o see. They were blue.
I just remember the great, vast, big half bowl of blue night sky with stars in the Texas sky. An incredibly more vast panorama then is to be seen in Kansas City.

255 prairiefire  Jun 19, 2015 12:01:55am

re: #253 HappyWarrior

Somebody taught him that history.

256 allegro  Jun 19, 2015 12:05:40am

re: #255 prairiefire

Somebody taught him that history.

Then that somebody (likely) bought him a gun.

257 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:06:56am

re: #255 prairiefire

Somebody taught him that history.

I definitely tend to agree. But i also wouldn’t be surprised if he was a curious mind who had heard about Nelson Mandela and wanted to look up who the people were that oppressed Mandela and in his twisted logic made them into his heroes. Now I definitely think the racism was something that’s probably been there from the start. I am just saying it wouldn’t shock me if he took the time to educate himself about the Apartheid regime and Ian Smith’s Rhodesia and in his crazy world saw them as the good guys in what happened there. It’s not a big deal really. My observation was based in part in how I educate myself about things.

258 teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2015 12:07:04am

re: #251 teleskiguy

Might as well share one more picture. Me, a couple of miles and 2,000 feet higher from the previous picture shared.

I’m in a very remote area in this picture. Very remote.

259 allegro  Jun 19, 2015 12:08:55am

re: #258 teleskiguy

Might as well share one more picture. Me, a couple of miles and 2,000 feet higher from the previous picture shared.

I’m in a very remote area in this picture. Very remote.

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I have trouble breathing just looking at that. Having always lived at sea level those elevations are killers.

260 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:09:12am

re: #256 allegro

Then that somebody (likely) bought him a gun.

Absolutely. Another thing and to echo what I saw at the beginning of the page, we need to stop calling him kid. I mean easy to do since he is much younger than us (seven years younger than even a “kid” like me) and he looks so youthful but this guy is a grown adult. I am still definitely curious about his upbringing. From my first intro psychology classes as a high school junior, I’ve always believed that we are products of our environment- racist parents are more likely to raise racist children etc.

261 prairiefire  Jun 19, 2015 12:09:27am

I hope that there is an outpouring of love this to this AME church from the white church community,

262 teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2015 12:09:51am

re: #258 teleskiguy

Ah hell! There’s more context!

This is what we skied off of, after doing a battery of snow stability tests.

It was fun, and very tiring.

263 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:10:12am

re: #261 prairiefire

I hope that there is an outpouring of love this to this AME church from the white church community,

I do too. I was reading about their church’s history. What a history. This is a story of perseverance.

264 allegro  Jun 19, 2015 12:11:28am

re: #261 prairiefire

I hope that there is an outpouring of love this to this AME church from the white church community,

From what I saw on the NBC national news report, there absolutely is. I teared up a number of times during those 20 minutes.

265 prairiefire  Jun 19, 2015 12:11:38am

re: #262 teleskiguy

You rock, snow lord!

266 prairiefire  Jun 19, 2015 12:13:14am

Night, lizards, sweet dreams. May God provide the balm that is needed.

267 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:14:03am

re: #264 allegro

From what I saw on the NBC national news report, there absolutely is. I teared up a number of times during those 20 minutes.

Great to see. And I have to say as a skeptic, I hope non-believers give their support too. Everyone should be able to worship peacefully without fear of violence being done to them and I sincerely mean that. I many not like what a lot of organized religion stands for but people do have a right to worship without fear of a gunman shooting them.

268 teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2015 12:14:23am

Look at me. Sharing old skiing pictures to the LGF lizards in the middle of June.

Yes, I miss skiing. I wish I had the means to ski in the northern hemisphere and then the southern hemisphere. I haven’t figured that out…yet. Though I know folks who have, and they’re, uh, crazy.

269 piratedan  Jun 19, 2015 12:18:18am

well if there’s no bright new shiny for the media to chase over the next few days (like a plane crash or a volcanic eruption wiping out a city) , I fully expect the full scrutiny of the media to fall upon the survivor, who’s chilling reporting of what was said prior to the executions places this firmly in the racist hate crime camp.

I don’t like it, but you just know, that if the Right can prevaricate on this to the extent of what has taken place thus far, that a counter-top inspection will be forthcoming shortly.

I hate that these media types (Faux and AM Radio) that sow all of this hate and discontent and then project all of their insipid bullshit on the left get their comeuppance, I despise their handmaidens, who help shape the narrative into what Faux determines it should be.

I really want somebody else to get righteously pissed in a statehouse and call out these bigoted bastards for who they are, classist, racist, cowardly children who refuse to leave their bubble and make an effort to help anyone else, except those that they toady to.

It’s enough to send somebody over the edge.

270 allegro  Jun 19, 2015 12:18:38am

re: #267 HappyWarrior

Great to see. And I have to say as a skeptic, I hope non-believers give their support too. Everyone should be able to worship peacefully without fear of violence being done to them and I sincerely mean that. I many not like what a lot of organized religion stands for but people do have a right to worship without fear of a gunman shooting them.

I’m as athiest as we get but that has nothing to do with empathy and compassion. (I rather think an inverse proportion sometimes but that’s another subject for another time.) If I had been there today I would have been proud to join hands in that wonderful church for a chorus of We Shall Overcome. I know I’m not unique in that.

271 teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2015 12:20:05am

re: #259 allegro

I have trouble breathing just looking at that. Having always lived at sea level those elevations are killers.

I walked all the way to where I was photographed, a number of miles on snow.

I must have strong lungs!

272 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:22:59am

re: #270 allegro

I’m as athiest as we get but that has nothing to do with empathy and compassion. (I rather think an inverse proportion sometimes but that’s another subject for another time.) If I had been there today I would have been proud to join hands in that wonderful church for a chorus of We Shall Overcome. I know I’m not unique in that.

I ID as Agnostic myself these days. But yes, I too would have been happy ot join them. IT just pains me thinking about those poor people. The thing that honestly disturbed me the most was reading about how apparently Roof sat down for the prayer study with them so you know at least for a minute or so he was talking cordially with them and then he brings out the gun. I am just tired of this stuff. I am tired of whenever it happens the first response by the gun lobby is to actually have the nerve to suggest that more guns would have prevented it. And then I saw earlier that the NRA actually gave the reverend a hard time since he was a legislator that had voted against concealed weapons in churches. The NRA doesn’t give two shits I’ve come to realize about preventing future gun violence.

273 allegro  Jun 19, 2015 12:23:38am

re: #271 teleskiguy

I walked all the way to where I was photographed, a number of miles on snow.

I must have strong lungs!

Well acclimated at least. The longest I’ve been at any serious elevation was during 6 week summer courses at Boulder. Wanted to sleep all the time when I wasn’t gasping from minimal exertion. Got acclimated finally right about the time to leave.

274 freetoken  Jun 19, 2015 12:25:45am

It because clear a couple of years ago that Australia was going to be the “western” nation most likely to embrace Inhofe-like climate policies, and they continue apace:

Never Mind the Pope, Australia Plans Czar to Police Windfarms

A day after Pope Francis urged world leaders to cut fossil-fuel emissions, Australia outlined plans to appoint a commissioner to crack down on windfarms.

The government is also backing further research into whether windfarms damage people’s health, Environment Minister Greg Hunt said Friday in a radio interview.

People have “concerns over the localized impacts of wind energy and they deserve a right to be heard,” Hunt said. “This is where the role of a commissioner comes in.”

Prime Minister Tony Abbott, who’s labeled windfarms as ugly and noisy, has shown limited enthusiasm to join the U.S. and China in a broader global fight against climate change. His government axed a price on carbon emissions and is negotiating with lawmakers over reducing renewable energy targets.

[…]

275 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:27:09am

Not sure the highest I’ve ever been elevation wise. is. Perhaps ABQ, New Mexico. I didn’t really feel much of a need to adjust out there. What was a challenge was last summer in Lisbon. It gets really hot there during the days and it has a ton of hills so finding my hostel was a bit of trouble. First thing I did once I checked in was to take a long nap. It is a lovely city and I can’t recommend Portugal and Lisbon enough. The Portuguese people are quite honestly the nicest people I’ve met in my travels. I’ll never forget their kindness and the friendship given to me by the people who worked at the hostels.

276 freetoken  Jun 19, 2015 12:27:32am

Meanwhile, here in SoCal

The high temperature at Thermal was 119 degrees today, which broke a daily record for the 18th of June (old record 114 in 2012). Only nine June days in Thermal’s history were hotter than today (records date back to 1950). It was extremely dry so the heat index was only 107. Meanwhile, at the coast, the high temperature was 67 degrees at Newport Beach and Oceanside Harbor. The temperature contrast can be very large this time of year in Southern California, but this difference of 52 degrees is quite remarkable.

wrh.noaa.gov

277 allegro  Jun 19, 2015 12:27:43am

re: #274 freetoken

It because clear a couple of years ago that Australia was going to be the “western” nation most likely to embrace Inhofe-like climate policies, and they continue apace:

Never Mind the Pope, Australia Plans Czar to Police Windfarms

Oh FFS. I despair. Seriously.

278 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:28:50am

Abbott seems like he’d fit in great in with the American GOP. “Windfarms are ugly”- great argument.//

279 teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2015 12:32:48am

re: #273 allegro

Well acclimated at least. The longest I’ve been at any serious elevation was during 6 week summer courses at Boulder. Wanted to sleep all the time when I wasn’t gasping from minimal exertion. Got acclimated finally right about the time to leave.

I was born in Durango, CO, elevation approximately 6,500 feet above sea level. I was eight pounds two ounces, rather large.

280 goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2015 12:33:59am
281 allegro  Jun 19, 2015 12:35:06am

re: #279 teleskiguy

I was born in Durango, CO, elevation approximately 6,500 feet above sea level. I was eight pounds two ounces, rather large.

I was a 6ish pound premie in Boston, elevation 19 feet.

282 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:35:35am

re: #280 goddamnedfrank

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When you refer to having a child with someone of a different race as interbreeding, fuck yeah you’re being racist and fuck yeah people should call you out on it. God racists are so fucking sensitive.

283 freetoken  Jun 19, 2015 12:38:59am
284 Nyet  Jun 19, 2015 12:39:07am

Some of the Rhodesia worshippers from Russia and Ukraine are “respectable white supremacists”, so to say. Or just conservatives. Respectable, because the ex-Soviet republics have a different tolerance limit for this stuff, despite (or probably because of) the Soviet past.

Others though are in the Gone with the Wind, bullshit romanticism mode. It is racist, effectively, given the regime they glorify, and they are enablers of the worse racism, but they probably don’t think of themselves as racists and can otherwise hold a variety of liberal views. One Ukrainian writer who translated her share of poetry about Rhodesia is otherwise an outspoken feminist and LGBT-rights support.

50 shades of grey, indeed.

285 allegro  Jun 19, 2015 12:40:31am

re: #280 goddamnedfrank

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Yeah, I’d say racist is both an accurate and appropriate term. Seeing as how proud they are to announce publicly their feelings on the matter, I find it odd that they seem so excercised when being properly identified. Tis a puzzlement.

286 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:46:07am

re: #284 Nyet

Some of the Rhodesia worshippers from Russia and Ukraine are “respectable white supremacists”, so to say. Or just conservatives. Respectable, because the ex-Soviet republics have a different tolerance limit for this stuff, despite (or probably because of) the Soviet past.

Others though are in the Gone with the Wind, bullshit romanticism mode. It is racist, effectively, given the regime they glorify, and they are enablers of the worse racism, but they probably don’t think of themselves as racists and can otherwise hold a variety of liberal views. One Ukrainian writer who translated her share of poetry about Rhodesia is otherwise an outspoken feminist and LGBT-rights support.

50 shades of grey, indeed.

Very interesting. You do see a lot of bs romancing. You brought up Gone With the Wind and that reminded me of John Derbyshire derping about how 12 Years a Slave based off on a slave memoir wasn’t like GWTW written by a white woman well after the war ended. I have never gotten CSA romanticism frankly though. The Civil War was a rough time in this nation’s history.

287 goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2015 12:47:02am

re: #282 HappyWarrior

When you refer to having a child with someone of a different race as interbreeding, fuck yeah you’re being racist and fuck yeah people should call you out on it. God racists are so fucking sensitive.

My thoughts exactly. “Interbreed” is a seriously grotesque terminology.

288 goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2015 12:48:42am

These conservatives are all upset that people are calling them out on their systemic and institutional racist bullshit, while in the same breath using racist language and defending racist practices.

289 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:49:36am

re: #285 allegro

Yeah, I’d say racist is both an accurate and appropriate term. Seeing as how proud they are to announce publicly their feelings on the matter, I find it odd that they seem so excercised when being properly identified. Tis a puzzlement.

Racists I notice like to deflect. Like they bring up the slim pickings of black slave owners as somehow proof that slavery in this country was not racist and used to rationalize white supremacy. Or my favorite is when they bring up what the parties were 150 years ago as if the parties ideologies haven’t evolved or frankly in the case of the GOP devolved.

290 allegro  Jun 19, 2015 12:52:05am

re: #288 goddamnedfrank

These conservatives are all upset that people are calling them out on their systemic and institutional racist bullshit, while in the same breath using racist language and defending racist practices.

I’m not a racist but I get so sick of uppity ni-clangs demanding equality and shit!

///// like that

291 freetoken  Jun 19, 2015 12:52:43am

One of the clowns in the car sez:

Q&A with Governor Mike Huckabee, Republican Candidate for President

[…]

CP: What does judicial supremacy mean to you?

Huckabee: It’s the Supreme Court, NOT the Supreme Branch and it’s sure not the Supreme Being. Many politicians have surrendered to the false god of judicial supremacy. This is wrong. It leads to judicial tyranny. We should not allow black-robed and unelected judges the power to make law and enforce it-upending the equality of our three branches of government and the separation of powers so very central to our Constitution.

[…]

Yeah, what makes those judges think they should be judging?

292 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:53:13am

re: #287 goddamnedfrank

My thoughts exactly. “Interbreed” is a seriously grotesque terminology.

It is vile and something out of a time we should have left behind a long time ago.

293 allegro  Jun 19, 2015 12:54:13am

re: #291 freetoken

One of the clowns in the car sez:

Q&A with Governor Mike Huckabee, Republican Candidate for President

Yeah, what makes those judges think they should be judging?

What pray tell does he think that third branch is?

294 goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2015 12:54:36am

A rare black conservative, majored in cognitive dissonance, minor in deliberate obtuseness. Spends his days running interference and making excuses for a political movement that despises people who look like him. Example number 10359728 of why humans suck.

295 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:54:49am

re: #291 freetoken

One of the clowns in the car sez:

Q&A with Governor Mike Huckabee, Republican Candidate for President

Yeah, what makes those judges think they should be judging?

In short, Huckabee has a problem with judges doing their job. He has no idea how checks and balances work because he’s a theocratic asshole.

296 DodgerFan1988  Jun 19, 2015 12:54:50am

Conservatives talking points all day -
“What about all the gang killings in black neighborhoods no one wants to talk about?”rightwingnews.com

297 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:56:59am

re: #296 DodgerFan1988

Conservatives talking points all day -
“What about all the gang killings in black neighborhoods no one wants to talk about?”rightwingnews.com

These people are so fucking predictable.

298 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 19, 2015 12:58:51am

Thank you lizards! I woke up to find that I had hit and passed 50K karma points (for 27K posts) in my sleep.

I can go back to bed now, I have accomplished everything in life I ever set out to do…

299 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 1:00:31am

re: #294 goddamnedfrank

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A rare black conservative, majored in cognitive dissonance, minor in deliberate obtuseness. Spends his days running interference and making excuses for a political movement that despises people who look like him. Example number 10359728 of why humans suck.

I don’t understand why any black person would support a party that has been using them as scapegoats for the better part of over 50 years. Obviously not all black people will be liberal but I do wonder about black and frankly any non rich white straight Christian male who throws his lot in with them.

300 teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2015 1:01:02am
301 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2015 1:02:46am

re: #294 goddamnedfrank

A rare black conservative, majored in cognitive dissonance, minor in deliberate obtuseness. Spends his days running interference and making excuses for a political movement that despises people who look like him. Example number 10359728 of why humans suck.

Look on the bright side (and I’m being sarcastic, of course) - according to Professor Frank Fenner, our species will probably be extinct within 100 years.

Eminent Australian scientist Professor Frank Fenner, who helped to wipe out smallpox, predicts humans will probably be extinct within 100 years, because of overpopulation, environmental destruction and climate change.

Fenner, who is emeritus professor of microbiology at the Australian National University (ANU) in Canberra, said homo sapiens will not be able to survive the population explosion and “unbridled consumption,” and will become extinct, perhaps within a century, along with many other species. United Nations official figures from last year estimate the human population is 6.8 billion, and is predicted to pass seven billion next year.

Fenner told The Australian he tries not to express his pessimism because people are trying to do something, but keep putting it off. He said he believes the situation is irreversible, and it is too late because the effects we have had on Earth since industrialization (a period now known to scientists unofficially as the Anthropocene) rivals any effects of ice ages or comet impacts.

phys.org

Summon the meteors, indeed.

302 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 19, 2015 1:05:50am

Has it come up in the thread that Herr Roof slipped under the radar because his comments and attitudes were almost indistinguishable from countless others in the Internet and media?

303 freetoken  Jun 19, 2015 1:07:33am

Creationists and their idiocies:

What Is Racism?

[…]

The biblical truth is that all humans come from Adam, and all humans come from Noah. As C.S. Lewis might say, that is grand enough to exalt any person, and humble enough to remind anyone that we are but dust. One of the most important features of racism, then, is either a partial or full denial of this fundamental truth. This goes a long way towards a definition. If we are not all from the same origin, then we have room to claim that one race is superior to another. This is one of the biggest problems with the theory of multiple origins of the human race. Evolution and the denial of the historical Adam will have racism as its intended or unintended consequence. Ben Stein showed this quite eloquently in his movie “Expelled,” which you should see if you haven’t yet. […]

[…] The flip side of this adaptive characteristic is the very pale complexion of Norwegians. They adapted to their frigid climate in the opposite way. If lots of Africans migrated to Norway, over a period of a few hundred years, their skin would lighten quite noticeably. Similarly, if the Norwegian migrated to Africa, his skin would darken quite a bit just in his own lifetime. […]

304 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 19, 2015 1:10:23am

re: #303 freetoken

Creationists and their idiocies:

What Is Racism?

Evolution also tells us that we came from a single ancestor. Denial of Creationism leads people to think rationally & scientifically.

305 teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2015 1:13:02am
306 goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2015 1:15:36am

re: #299 HappyWarrior

I don’t understand why any black person would support a party that has been using them as scapegoats for the better part of over 50 years. Obviously not all black people will be liberal but I do wonder about black and frankly any non rich white straight Christian male who throws his lot in with them.

Humans are fucking crazy man. This is why I’m glad to descend from a hyper evolved Fig Tree that was damned by Jesus.

Like Groot, but with more swearing.

307 Frenchy  Jun 19, 2015 1:16:47am

re: #280 goddamnedfrank

“Don’t do gay either”? ORLY? Jesus Tap-dancing Christ…

308 piratedan  Jun 19, 2015 1:17:00am

…

…

figured I’d do both, the guy who made it famous followed by the guy who wrote it

309 goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2015 1:23:11am
310 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 19, 2015 1:33:00am

Obama speaking out on gun control is going to have the same effect as Al Gore speaking out on climate change: opponents are just going to dig in and grow more obstinate.

And gun sales will peak again as they will be (even more) convinced that Obama is coming for their penis substitutes.

311 teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2015 1:33:09am
312 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2015 1:35:30am

re: #303 freetoken

The last I was there (2000) Afrikaners in South Africa looked no darker than I am, and their families had been there since the 1600s. Whoever wrote that bit about skin color adaptation is an idiot.

313 Single-handed sailor  Jun 19, 2015 1:37:33am

re: #311 teleskiguy

I saw Slade at Winterland in 1973, been a big fan ever since.

314 teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2015 1:40:54am

re: #313 Single-handed sailor

I saw Slade at Winterland in 1973, been a big fan ever since.

The original big hair metal band!

My pops played the Slayed? record for me when I was in probably the second grade. Gudbuy T’ Jane will always be a funn ditty on my mind!

315 freetoken  Jun 19, 2015 1:44:54am

Twitter abounds with racists.

Not a few.

Indeed, quite a few.

Just picked one by random - look at this stream:

twitter.com

316 Frenchy  Jun 19, 2015 1:47:49am

re: #310 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

And as usual, the gun makers laugh all the way to the bank…

317 teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2015 1:51:08am

re: #315 freetoken

Yikes.

This part of the fever swamp - “White Genocide” - I have been very reluctant to delve into on the interwebs. I find the whole concept to be irrational.

Shit though. That Twitter account has 940 followers. They’re stupid ignorant hateful folks.

I’m just one stupid ignorant fuck and I only have 365 followers.

318 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 19, 2015 1:54:44am

re: #314 teleskiguy

The original big hair metal band!

My pops played the Slayed? record for me when I was in probably the second grade. Gudbuy T’ Jane will always be a funn ditty on my mind!

As teenagers, we were big into any British band that had not yet made it big in the USA: Pink FLoyd (pre Dark SIde of the Moon), Barclay James Harvest, Hawkwind, T-Rex and of course, Slade.

319 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2015 2:00:20am

re: #315 freetoken

Twitter abounds with racists.

Not a few.

Indeed, quite a few.

Just picked one by random - look at this stream:

twitter.com

Sick in the head; that “white genocide” BS is a common theme on Stormfront.

320 Kragar  Jun 19, 2015 2:18:52am

Currently at White House petitions, the following are active:

petitions.whitehouse.gov

- Stop lying! Immigration IS about race! It’s about the GENOCIDE of the WHITE RACE.

- Quit funding Christian and Jewish “charities” to carry out White Genocide

- STOP THE TOXIC SPRAYING IN OUR SKIES!! WE DO NOT CONSENT! THIS IS GENOCIDE!

321 Kragar  Jun 19, 2015 2:23:30am

I’m beginning to think Wingnuts have no fucking clue what the word Genocide means

322 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 19, 2015 2:29:51am

re: #321 Kragar

I’m beginning to think Wingnuts have no fucking clue what the word Genocide means

It means anything that weakens the previous status quo in which whites were the unquestionably dominant majority.

323 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2015 2:37:26am

re: #322 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It means anything that weakens the previous status quo in which whites were the unquestionably dominant majority.

Bingo.

324 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2015 2:39:11am

re: #320 Kragar

Currently at White House petitions, the following are active:

petitions.whitehouse.gov

- Stop lying! Immigration IS about race! It’s about the GENOCIDE of the WHITE RACE.

- Quit funding Christian and Jewish “charities” to carry out White Genocide

- STOP THE TOXIC SPRAYING IN OUR SKIES!! WE DO NOT CONSENT! THIS IS GENOCIDE!

I can’t remember who it was who originally said it - perhaps it was you or someone else - but it’s true: We cannot hope to reason with these people. We can only hope to limit the amount of damage they can do.

Amen to that.

325 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 19, 2015 2:41:01am

re: #324 Dr Lizardo

I can’t remember who it was who originally said it - perhaps it was you or someone else - but it’s true: We cannot hope to reason with these people. We can only hope to limit the amount of damage they can do.

Amen to that.

That was me again…

326 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2015 2:45:45am

re: #325 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

That was me again…

OK. I heartily agree - sadly, there is no reasoning with some folks; they are so far gone down the path of irrationality that it is simply nothing that can be done.

327 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 19, 2015 3:11:32am

re: #326 Dr Lizardo

OK. I heartily agree - sadly, there is no reasoning with some folks; they are so far gone down the path of irrationality that it is simply nothing that can be done.

especially now that they have their own self-contained reality to live in

328 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2015 3:15:06am

All we can do is bring them out into the light, so everyone can see what nutcases they are.

329 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 19, 2015 3:19:51am

So I tuned in a bit of CNN last night. They mentioned the federal investigation of the SC shootings to establish that they constitute a hate crime and then added that such protections were there to benefit “blacks and other minorities”.

WTF? A hate crime is a hate crime regardless of whether the victim is a minority or a majority. If the victims are chosen for their race or affiliation, and if the intent of the crime is to intimidate and threaten others like them, then it constitutes a hate crime.

I am still debating whether this shoddy reporting was simply cluelessness on the part of CNN or a deliberate attempt to skewer the discussion and provoke outcries from certain quarters.

330 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 19, 2015 3:20:25am

re: #328 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

All we can do is bring them out into the light, so everyone can see what nutcases they are.

They are more than happy to let themselves be known through all possible channels. The trick comes in connecting their words to their actions.

331 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2015 3:23:12am

re: #329 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Given that it’s CNN, and remembering their Malaysia Airlines MH370 debacle, I’m gonna go with complete and utter cluelessness.

332 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 19, 2015 3:26:48am

So much for resting on my laurels at 50K karma points…all I see now is that I am only 49,950 points away from 100K!

Time to get proactive…cute kittens every hour on the hour!!!

333 Timothy Watson  Jun 19, 2015 3:37:01am

Gotta agree with Doug Mataconis here. Why get rid of Hamilton instead of Jackson?

334 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2015 3:44:44am

re: #333 Timothy Watson

Gotta agree with Doug Mataconis here. Why get rid of Hamilton instead of Jackson?

There was also some discussion about replacing Jackson with a woman, such as Harriet Tubman. Not sure why we’re now hearing it’s the $10 bill to be redesigned with a woman’s lithograph on it.

335 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 19, 2015 3:47:00am

re: #334 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

There was also some discussion about replacing Jackson with a woman, such as Harriet Tubman. Not sure why we’re now hearing it’s the $10 bill to be redesigned with a woman’s lithograph on it.

as someone pointed out, it would be good to see Harriet Tubman to balance out all the slaveholders who now appear on our currency

336 Timothy Watson  Jun 19, 2015 3:50:15am

re: #335 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

as someone pointed out, it would be good to see Harriet Tubman to balance out all the slaveholders who now appear on our currency

But, instead, they’re replacing Hamilton, a nonslaveholder and something of an early antislavery advocate.

337 William Lewis  Jun 19, 2015 4:03:45am

Destroying Hamilton’s bank was yet another of Jackson’s crimes against the nation. It would be far better to replace Jackson with a Native American woman.

338 Frenchy  Jun 19, 2015 4:24:21am

re: #331 Dr Lizardo

CNN is getting to be nearly as bad as Fox these days, at least in terms of leaving you stupider for having watched it.

339 Eventual Carrion  Jun 19, 2015 4:27:30am

re: #201 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Dewey Cheatham Daly, D. C. Daly, Dewey C. Daly…

You missed the newest partner, C. Howe. Firm is now Dewey Cheatham Daly and Howe.

340 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 4:58:51am

re: #334 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

There was also some discussion about replacing Jackson with a woman, such as Harriet Tubman. Not sure why we’re now hearing it’s the $10 bill to be redesigned with a woman’s lithograph on it.

Because the $10 is used much less than the $20.

ATMs contain only $20s, the only way you can get a $10 is getting change from a $20.

341 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2015 5:02:38am

re: #340 The Vicious Babushka

Because the $10 is used much less than the $20.

ATMs contain only $20s, the only way you can get a $10 is getting change from a $20.

Chinese ATMs only dispense 100-yuan notes.

342 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2015 5:05:04am

I’ve been binge watching True Detective, before I try out season 2. Now I understand why so many lizards spoke highly of it.

343 Dr. Matt  Jun 19, 2015 5:05:09am

Disgusting:

Click to Reveal
344 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 5:05:38am

re: #341 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Chinese ATMs only dispense 100-yuan notes.

Israeli ATMs dispense 100 Shekel bills

Obvs I’m talking about US ATMs.

345 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 5:11:21am

re: #343 Dr. Matt

Disgusting:

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MOAR disgusting==>

Click to Reveal
346 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 5:12:52am

This is heartbreaking==>

347 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 5:16:54am

Reminds me of when I visited Moscow in 2007. There was a knife attack at the Bolshaya Bronayya synagogue. They installed metal detectors at the entrances of all the synagogues, had Israeli security guards & you could not get in unless there was somebody to vouch for you.

It was during Passover, so you can imagine the security lines were long.

348 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 5:24:22am

Earth to Ben: Roof and his compadres think YOU are not white.

349 Dr. Matt  Jun 19, 2015 5:26:59am

re: #348 The Vicious Babushka

350 Dr. Matt  Jun 19, 2015 5:28:46am

We have GOP politicians/Fox”News” on a daily basis talking about “taking the country back”, the confederacy, and fear-mongering about guns. Why are we surprised when the Dylann Roof’s of the world finally act out?

351 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 5:30:41am

re: #350 Dr. Matt

We have GOP politicians on a daily basis talking about “taking the country back”, the confederacy, and fear-mongering about guns. Why are we surprised when the Dylann Roof’s of the world finally act out?

352 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2015 5:30:48am

re: #312 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The last I was there (2000) Afrikaners in South Africa looked no darker than I am, and their families had been there since the 1600s. Whoever wrote that bit about skin color adaptation is an idiot.

Someone who doesn’t understand how genetics and inherited characteristics works. They sound Lamarckist, since it appears they believe that an acquired adaptation can be passed on.

353 Amory Blaine  Jun 19, 2015 5:32:41am

re: #308 piratedan

That j-200 is a beautiful guitar. I love the look of the moustache bridge.

354 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 5:33:15am

YA THINK?

355 aagcobb  Jun 19, 2015 5:34:31am

re: #303 freetoken

Creationists and their idiocies:

What Is Racism?

Don’t you know your history? In 1860 Darwin’s Origin of the Species became a best seller in the South, where lots of people converted to atheism and racism and decided to enslave their black neighbors who previously had been treated as their perfectly equal brothers in Christ. Lincoln was elected to bring Christianity back to the South and liberate the slaves, which caused the Civil War. Thanks Darwin! ///

356 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2015 5:35:53am

Good morning Lizards. Partly cloudy and warmer today after yesterday’s rain.

Cranes continue to proliferate at the Comcast Tower site. Another got its boom yesterday, making five on the site that are operational - three mobile and two static. The elevator core is now about fifteen stories tall as well.

A/C is operational in the apartment - and the cats think it’s too cold.

357 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2015 5:36:37am

re: #355 aagcobb

Don’t you know your history? In 1860 Darwin’s Origin of the Species became a best seller in the South, where lots of people converted to atheism and racism and decided to enslave their black neighbors who previously had been treated as their perfectly equal brothers in Christ. Lincoln was elected to bring Christianity back to the South and liberate the slaves, which caused the Civil War. Thanks Darwin! ///

Lies, damned lies, and hysterics.
(Apologies to Mark Twain)

358 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 5:37:27am

Rand Paul loves him some Fake Quotes, who knew?

359 Teukka  Jun 19, 2015 5:39:28am

re: #354 The Vicious Babushka

YA THINK?

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The numbers are even scarier if you take the number of crimes against the racial group and divide it by the number of people in the group (i.e. crime per 100k (which is the normal for crime stats)).

360 Dr. Matt  Jun 19, 2015 5:40:46am

Hopefully the police are performing forensics on his computer(s) and mobile/portable devices. It’s going to be interesting to see how frequently he visited and commented at Brietbart, WND, Teh Daily Caller, Freepville, etc

361 Belafon  Jun 19, 2015 5:43:27am

#344 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
The reason for doing it on the $10 is that it’s the bill up for redesign.

362 Belafon  Jun 19, 2015 5:47:08am

So, it seems that Roof wanted to start a race war:

One of the officials said that Roof, who is white, told investigators that he wanted to start a race war.

He himself bought the .45-caliber handgun used in the shooting last April at a Charleston gun store, according to the two officials. Earlier, a senior law enforcement official had indicated that Roof’s father bought him a Glock firearm for his birthday.

363 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 19, 2015 5:47:27am

have we gotten to the part where we learn Roof dropped out of HS because no prayer in school and how he played violent video games?

//

364 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 19, 2015 5:48:58am

re: #358 The Vicious Babushka

Rand Paul loves him some Fake Quotes, who knew?

Paul Rand can’t be troubled to actually read Jefferson’s writings.

/

365 Timothy Watson  Jun 19, 2015 5:49:06am

re: #363 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

have we gotten to the part where we learn Roof dropped out of HS because no prayer in school and how he played violent video games?

//

Remember, those violent video games desensitize the poor children to violence, surely those monthly mass shootings that leave a dozen dead don’t.

/

366 Frenchy  Jun 19, 2015 5:50:20am

re: #365 Timothy Watson

No, those are just proof that we need moar good guyz with gunz.

/

367 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2015 5:50:41am

re: #363 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

have we gotten to the part where we learn Roof dropped out of HS because no prayer in school and how he played violent video games?

//

It would have to be that he dropped out *due* to prayer in school. Remember that the narrative is that he was hunting Christians, not blacks.
(spit)

368 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 19, 2015 5:50:54am

re: #348 The Vicious Babushka

Earth to Ben: Roof and his compadres think YOU are not white.

Roof was actually a northern, nonwhite Occupy member.

//

369 Dr. Matt  Jun 19, 2015 5:51:15am

re: #362 Belafon

So, it seems that Roof wanted to start a race war:

But, but, but, Fox “News” said it was a War on Christianity!!!!

370 Timothy Watson  Jun 19, 2015 5:54:44am

re: #368 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Roof was actually a northern, nonwhite Occupy member.

//

Crap, say that and KT will pop out the woodwork like you’ve said Beetlejuice.

371 freetoken  Jun 19, 2015 5:55:35am

re: #362 Belafon

So, it seems that Roof wanted to start a race war:

Maybe he’ll succeed:

White man spewing racial slurs threatens to kill black Virginia churchgoers

372 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2015 5:55:44am

re: #360 Dr. Matt

Hopefully the police are performing forensics on his computer(s) and mobile/portable devices. It’s going to be interesting to see how frequently he visited and commented at Brietbart, WND, Teh Daily Caller, Freepville, etc

Heh - methinks there’s gonna be some frantic scrubbing going on if that’s the case. I wouldn’t be surprised if the admins at those sites are looking things over as we speak.

373 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 5:58:07am

The conspiracy freakazoids are swarming the Twitters

374 William Lewis  Jun 19, 2015 6:06:50am

re: #370 Timothy Watson

Crap, say that and KT will pop out the woodwork like you’ve said Beetlejuice.

I’ll use my Wobbly Union Card like a crucifix to banish him again… ;) The sight of a real leftist would scare him away! LOL

375 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 19, 2015 6:09:22am

re: #373 The Vicious Babushka

The conspiracy freakazoids are swarming the Twitters

“Hey were just asking questions….”

376 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2015 6:18:14am
Violence from “far right” extremists is one of the top threats singled out by law enforcement agencies polled by the New York Times last year. Pointing that out was so politically fraught that Daryl Johnson, an expert in right wing terrorist groups left the Department of Homeland Security in 2010 after it dissolved his team, Wired reports.

“There’ve been no hearings about the rising white supremacist threat, but there’s been a long list of attacks over the last few years,” he told Wired. “But they still hold hearings about Muslim extremism. It’s out of balance.”

rawstory.com

There won’t be any hearings into far-right groups and the festering hatred that they’re breeding.

The GOP’s afraid of alienating their base.

Of course, in an ideal world, there would be hearings, and the national GOP would make it abundantly clear that anyone who harbors such sentiments - be they grassroots activists, Representatives or Senators, no longer has a place in the Republican Party, and the party would loudly and clearly disavow them and everything they stand for. Reince Priebus, John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, etc., would hold a press conference in prime-time to say this. They would disavow people like Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, etc., and condemn them in no uncertain terms.

But we all know that’s never gonna happen. They’re too cowardly and craven to do such a thing. And let’s face it - if they did that, the GOP would be lucky to get one of their candidates elected as municipal dogcatcher.

smdh

377 Dr. Matt  Jun 19, 2015 6:27:55am

Another day in Justice Roberts’ post-racial America:

378 weave  Jun 19, 2015 6:35:52am

re: #373 The Vicious Babushka

The conspiracy freakazoids are swarming the Twitters

How is that supposed to work? Some secret government agents somehow convince a 21 year old to murder several people and then let himself get arrested and possibly face the death penalty all so Obama can take away our guns?

379 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2015 6:36:16am

re: #338 Frenchy

CNN is getting to be nearly as bad as Fox these days, at least in terms of leaving you stupider for having watched it.

Morning! Still feeling blah about this country. And when I saw the image up thread of the little girl in #125 that Jenner7 put up I admit I got a little teary eyed. Little kids should not have to be a part of this stuff.

Anyway, regarding Frenchy’s comment…a little twist on an old joke.

I went to the doctor the other day and said doctor it hurts when I watch CNN.

The doctor said: then don’t watch CNN.

380 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 19, 2015 6:38:38am

re: #377 Dr. Matt

Another day in Justice Roberts’ post-racial America:

Rush, is that you?

381 weave  Jun 19, 2015 6:38:43am

Sometimes Facebook’s annoying feature of what you did on this day in the past can prove entertaining.

On this day 4 years ago….

news.yahoo.com

“Marco Rubio says he would come to the US illegally if he had to”

382 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 19, 2015 6:39:53am

re: #381 weave

Sometimes Facebook’s annoying feature of what you did on this day in the past can prove entertaining.

On this day 4 years ago….

news.yahoo.com

“Marco Rubio says he would come to the US illegally if he had to”

“Delete…cut…edit…how come I can’t get rid of this damn post?”

Then

“I was hacked…”

383 freetoken  Jun 19, 2015 6:41:52am

re: #377 Dr. Matt

An Ohio man harassed a group of children, at least some of whom were black, while pursuing them on foot through his neighborhood, hurling racial epithets in their direction, threatening them with a gun, and urging police to come arrest the children, WKBN reports.

[…]

Struthers Police Detective Jeff Lewis tells WKBN that the department plans to pursue an ethnic intimidation charge against Mamounis. He has been released on a $300 bond and is scheduled to appear Friday before the Struthers Municipal Court.

In a phone conversation, Mamounis tells WKBN that, despite video and audio evidence to the contrary, “he did not have a gun and was not chasing the kid.” He was only “walking after them to get more information from them” and he “did not use the N-word,” Mamounis says.

[…]

Let me see if I get this correctly: a white guy threatens black kids with a real gun and gets out of jail with a $300 bond.

Contrast that to a black kid with a water gun who gets executed by police.

384 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2015 6:44:22am

re: #345 The Vicious Babushka

MOAR disgusting==>

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Example #4,567,007,358 why twitter is a cesspool.

By the way…an excellent and very biting point made about the $10 bill being a lesser used bill than the $20.

It’s too bad there isn’t a $14 bill, as it would be 70% of the $20.

Which makes me wonder if anyone in Washington D.C. sees this the way you do.

385 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 6:47:10am

This guy wants Roof executed for the crime of Making Whites Look Bad==>
The rest of his timeline is a toxic waste dump of racist derp

386 Romantic Heretic  Jun 19, 2015 6:51:56am

re: #274 freetoken

People have “concerns over the localized impacts of wind energy and they deserve a right to be heard,” Hunt said. “This is where the role of a commissioner comes in.”

What he means is “The fossil fuel companies that own us are concerned their power is waning and so have appointed us to make sure sustainable energy never happens.

387 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2015 6:52:52am

re: #377 Dr. Matt

Another day in Justice Roberts’ post-racial America:

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Yep. Ohio still has plenty of these blockheads too.

Speaking of Justice Roberts…check out the Think Progress article I linked up in #63. You might like it, if you haven’t already read it.

I hope Roberts is spending sleepless nights and is haunted by ugly images of African American deaths in this new non-racist America he has stated exists in his little pinhead.

Grrrrrr….

388 Eventual Carrion  Jun 19, 2015 6:53:09am

re: #278 HappyWarrior

Abbott seems like he’d fit in great in with the American GOP. “Windfarms are ugly”- great argument.//

Yeah, and oil rigs and oil pumps are beautiful right beside the coal sludge ponds. Wonder what their investigation on fossil fuel impact on local health and environment turned up? Did they do one?

389 freetoken  Jun 19, 2015 6:56:41am

Just becuz:

Maury Producers Want To Give Rachel Dolezal & Her Parents A DNA Test To Find Out If They Are Actually Related! Who IS The Father??

[…]

That’s right! It’s been reported that Maury executive producer Paul Faulhaber and his team are actively attempting to book Rachel and her “parents” on the hit daytime show!

Faulhaber explains that he is aiming to give all 3 a DNA test and, in true Maury fashion, dramatically reveal the results in front of a rowdy studio audience.

[…]

390 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 19, 2015 6:57:55am

re: #389 freetoken

Just becuz:

Maury Producers Want To Give Rachel Dolezal & Her Parents A DNA Test To Find Out If They Are Actually Related! Who IS The Father??

That show’s still on?

391 b.d.  Jun 19, 2015 6:58:56am

re: #385 The Vicious Babushka

This guy wants Roof executed for the crime of Making Whites Look Bad==>
The rest of his timeline is a toxic waste dump of racist derp

[Embedded content]

A guy who expects to either take his own life or be killed by cops after doing a horrendous deed is going to be deterred by a public execution?

If the guy wants to see an execution he should come out and say so, rather than try to justify his morbid perversion.

392 Romantic Heretic  Jun 19, 2015 6:59:17am

re: #343 Dr. Matt

Disgusting:

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Unfortunately @stevesampson one of those people that died wasn’t you.

393 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 19, 2015 6:59:44am

Hey Lizards! Wow, what a terrible story this church shooting has been. I’ve been unable to comment the last couple of days.

However, did I ever tell y’all about the time I lived down the road from a genuine Confederate “general store”?

It’s real: dixierepublic.com and it’s in South Carolina. This shit doesn’t surprise me at all.

394 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2015 7:00:33am

re: #389 freetoken

Just becuz:

Maury Producers Want To Give Rachel Dolezal & Her Parents A DNA Test To Find Out If They Are Actually Related! Who IS The Father??

Didn’t she bring up the paternity thing in some interviews?

You know, I wonder when it is all said and done if she will not claim it was all a performance art piece and she will have a one-woman show in a gallery where she show videos of all her time on TV with images interlaced showing her transformations and how she has a deeper understanding of racial issues because of her art.

And no, I am not kidding…

395 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2015 7:01:13am

re: #385 The Vicious Babushka

This guy wants Roof executed for the crime of Making Whites Look Bad==>
The rest of his timeline is a toxic waste dump of racist derp

I understand the meeting, whose resolutions I am considering, to be in favor of suppressing the rebellion by military force — by armies. Long experience has shown that armies can not be maintained unless desertion shall be punished by the severe penalty of death. The case requires, and the law and the constitution, sanction this punishment. Must I shoot a simple-minded soldier boy who deserts, while I must not touch a hair of a wiley agitator who induces him to desert? This is none the less injurious when effected by getting a father, or brother, or friend, into a public meeting, and there working upon his feeling, till he is persuaded to write the soldier boy, that he is fighting in a bad cause, for a wicked administration of a contemptable government, too weak to arrest and punish him if he shall desert. I think that in such a case, to silence the agitator, and save the boy, is not only constitutional, but, withal, a great mercy.

- Abraham Lincoln

(bolding mine)
I am not advocating that Roof is a soldier, or any such silly race war concept. But instead the point that we see an advocate wanting to execute the low-level person who acted while ignoring the wider and deeper agitators who espouse the actions undertaken.

396 Romantic Heretic  Jun 19, 2015 7:02:00am

re: #364 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Paul Rand can’t be troubled to actually read Jefferson’s writings.

/

He wouldn’t like them anyway.

397 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 19, 2015 7:02:10am

re: #392 Romantic Heretic

Unfortunately @stevesampson one of those people that died wasn’t you.

He sounds nice….

398 Timothy Watson  Jun 19, 2015 7:07:33am

re: #390 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

That show’s still on?

That was my first reaction as well.

399 freetoken  Jun 19, 2015 7:08:38am

re: #390 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

That show’s still on?

Bad television never dies, it just generates yet another cable channel on which to live on.

400 Timothy Watson  Jun 19, 2015 7:15:33am

(Note: The first comment on the post is supposed to be satire, based on the guy’s previous comments, but falls very flat.)

401 iossarian  Jun 19, 2015 7:15:38am

re: #363 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

have we gotten to the part where we learn Roof dropped out of HS because no prayer in school and how he played violent video games?

//

According to Redstate these things happen because of Caitlyn Jenner.

402 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2015 7:19:24am

If I got my time zones right, it’s now after 9:00 am in St. Louis, right? So, checking the Missouri courts case.net courts.mo.gov
I see nothing yet about the libel case El Chucka-cabra has supposedly filed.

403 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 7:19:54am

Dana is derping about how Roof broke the law to buy a gun

HURR HURR MOAR GUN LAWS WON’T STOP TEH CRIMINALZ FROM GETTIN THERE GUNZ, WE NEED MOAR GUNZ!!!!!!

404 freetoken  Jun 19, 2015 7:20:37am

The eventual fallout over this will lead to even more derp in our politics:

Problems with Puerto Rican Debt Cause Mass Exodus, Exacerbate Problems

If PR does default on paying the power company, it may set up a string of defaults by PR. Eventually the issue will land in Congress, unless somehow the Fed can step in and arrange something.

The xenophobes of course don’t like PR but the GOP elite (like Romney) wants PR to be turned into a low tax low wage paradise.

Can’t have it both ways, though.

405 Lidane  Jun 19, 2015 7:20:44am

re: #363 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

have we gotten to the part where we learn Roof dropped out of HS because no prayer in school and how he played violent video games?

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406 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2015 7:21:43am

re: #403 The Vicious Babushka

Dana is derping about how Roof broke the law to buy a gun

HURR HURR MOAR GUN LAWS WON’T STOP TEH CRIMINALZ FROM GETTIN THERE GUNZ, WE NEED MOAR GUNZ!!!!!!

All problems can be solved with guns. It is written in the Book of Dana.

407 Lidane  Jun 19, 2015 7:22:05am

re: #403 The Vicious Babushka

Dana is derping about how Roof broke the law to buy a gun

HURR HURR MOAR GUN LAWS WON’T STOP TEH CRIMINALZ FROM GETTIN THERE GUNZ, WE NEED MOAR GUNZ!!!!!!

Wasn’t his gun a birthday present?

408 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 19, 2015 7:22:43am

re: #403 The Vicious Babushka

Dana is derping about how Roof broke the law to buy a gun

HURR HURR MOAR GUN LAWS WON’T STOP TEH CRIMINALZ FROM GETTIN THERE GUNZ, WE NEED MOAR GUNZ!!!!!!

Despite the fact that Roof was gifted a gun for his 21st birthday.

409 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2015 7:23:02am

re: #407 Lidane

Wasn’t his gun a birthday present?

Differing reports. Police say he bought the gun. His family says he got it as a gift.

410 freetoken  Jun 19, 2015 7:23:28am

In even more troubling news:

Turkish police arrest 3, seize radioactive material

Turkish news agencies say that authorities have arrested two Georgian citizens who tried to enter the Turkey with radioactive material, including cesium.

State-run Anadolu Agency says a woman identified only as N.K., aged 43, and a man, I.A., 40, were arrested Friday at a border gate in northeastern Turkey. The agency said they entered by foot from Georgia and were acting suspiciously. A search found 1.2 kilos of the cesium.

[…]

411 Timothy Watson  Jun 19, 2015 7:23:33am

re: #403 The Vicious Babushka

Dana is derping about how Roof broke the law to buy a gun

HURR HURR MOAR GUN LAWS WON’T STOP TEH CRIMINALZ FROM GETTIN THERE GUNZ, WE NEED MOAR GUNZ!!!!!!

So…they support giving piss tests to anyone trying to buy a gun? Hey, if it’s good enough for welfare recipients.

/

412 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 7:24:20am

re: #407 Lidane

Wasn’t his gun a birthday present?

Now they’re saying he got money for his birthday and bought the gun himself.

413 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 19, 2015 7:25:28am

re: #409 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Differing reports. Police say he bought the gun. His family says he got it as a gift.

Both sound rather legal to me. Although if it was a gift then any background check would be on the buyer. I wonder if gun permits specify who is going to use the gun, like they do with auto insurance?

414 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 7:25:34am

Would you want to take a cruise on this monster?

415 Timothy Watson  Jun 19, 2015 7:28:45am

re: #414 The Vicious Babushka

Would you want to take a cruise on this monster?

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Imagine all the manpower hours needed to clean it after a norovirus outbreak.

416 iossarian  Jun 19, 2015 7:28:46am

re: #414 The Vicious Babushka

Funny you should post that - I was just about to post this piece of history from the surrender and subsequent scuttling of the German naval fleet in WWI:

bbc.com

417 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2015 7:29:28am

re: #414 The Vicious Babushka

That’s a mighty big ship; according to Wiki, it’s got the displacement of a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier.

418 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2015 7:29:38am

re: #414 The Vicious Babushka

Would you want to take a cruise on this monster?

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I like boats, but taking a cruise on a big-ass ship has never appealed to me. Cruises are now a thing in China, now that there are people with money to burn and no sense of what to do with it. A couple of my students worked for Costa Lines out of Shanghai for a year, and said one year was quite enough. They got to see Korea, Japan and other places for free, but the work conditions while under way are grueling.

419 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2015 7:30:41am

re: #415 Timothy Watson

Imagine all the manpower hours needed to clean it after a norovirus outbreak.

Plus all the chlorine bleach to disinfect it.

420 Timothy Watson  Jun 19, 2015 7:31:51am

re: #413 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Both sound rather legal to me. Although if it was a gift then any background check would be on the buyer. I wonder if gun permits specify who is going to use the gun, like they do with auto insurance?

There’s a question on the standard background check form asking, “Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?”.

Seriously, that’s their paper shield.

421 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 19, 2015 7:33:10am

re: #414 The Vicious Babushka

Would you want to take a cruise on this monster?

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I have never taken a cruise and never plan to. If I was given a choice of flying to or sailing to Europe, I’d prefer a ship, but not a modern cruise ship. Those things are like Las Vegas with a hull.

422 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2015 7:34:53am

re: #420 Timothy Watson

There’s a question on the standard background check form asking if, “Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?”.

Seriously, that’s their paper shield.

Two of the questions on the form to apply for a US visa ask if the applicant has ever been engaged in terrorism or belonged to a terrorist group, and if the applicant has ever been involved with drug smuggling or human trafficking.

423 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2015 7:35:20am

re: #416 iossarian

Funny you should post that - I was just about to post this piece of history from the surrender and subsequent scuttling of the German naval fleet in WWI:

bbc.com

I just got done re-reading Massie’s _Castles of Steel_ which also covers said scuttling in one of the last chapters.

424 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2015 7:35:56am

re: #421 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I have never taken a cruise and never plan to. If I was given a choice of flying to or sailing to Europe, I’d prefer a ship, but not a modern cruise ship. Those things are like Las Vegas with a hull.

And like Vegas, they are designed to separate you from your cash cleanly and efficiently.

425 freetoken  Jun 19, 2015 7:36:11am

re: #421 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing

I have never taken a cruise and never plan to.

Me too. I really don’t see the appeal of those things.

426 Timothy Watson  Jun 19, 2015 7:37:06am

re: #422 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Two of the questions on the form to apply for a US visa ask if the applicant has ever been engaged in terrorism or belonged to a terrorist group, and if the applicant has ever been involved with drug smuggling or human trafficking.

Not on the firearms transaction form:
atf.gov

427 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2015 7:39:53am

re: #426 Timothy Watson

Not on the firearms transaction form:
atf.gov

Well, once they’re in the country, obviously they become law-abiding members of society.
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428 Dr. Matt  Jun 19, 2015 7:42:50am

If Dana is “upset” that someone can lie on the ATF Firearm Transaction Form, then she is providing perfect reason as why the firearm purchasing process is flawed and needs to be changed. Bravo.

429 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 19, 2015 7:44:56am

re: #428 Dr. Matt

If Dana is “upset” that someone can lie on the ATF Firearm Transaction Form, then she is providing perfect reason as why the firearm purchasing process is flawed and needs to be changed. Bravo.

If people can lie on ATF form then form is no good so get rid of it and all investigations!!!!

430 Lidane  Jun 19, 2015 7:45:03am

re: #414 The Vicious Babushka

Would you want to take a cruise on this monster?

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Hell no. I’ve heard nothing but horror stories about cruises, and that’s on regular cruise ships. That monster? Not a chance.

431 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 19, 2015 7:46:28am

re: #418 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I was a chef on a cruise ship back in the 90s. Only for 1 year. Never again.

432 bubba zanetti  Jun 19, 2015 7:47:58am

re: #296 DodgerFan1988

Conservatives talking points all day -
“What about all the gang killings in black neighborhoods no one wants to talk about?”rightwingnews.com

Yeah, why won’t we talk about this?

…

433 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2015 7:48:07am

re: #430 Lidane

Hell no. I’ve heard nothing but horror stories about cruises, and that’s on regular cruise ships. That monster? Not a chance.

I was on a cruise once, back in the 90s, with a friend - we had a good time. It wasn’t bad. No complaints.

I wouldn’t mind taking the transatlantic crossing one of these days on an ocean liner. I’d enjoy it, I think.

434 #FergusonFireside  Jun 19, 2015 7:50:01am

re: #431 GlutenFreeJesus

I was a chef on a cruise ship back in the 90s. Only for 1 year. Never again.

Would love to hear your stories. I’ve been on 4 cruises. I enjoyed it. Did my own thing tho, made sure I operated in opposite of what the herd was doing.

435 Dr. Matt  Jun 19, 2015 7:50:14am

Losing streak: Glenn Beck defeated in court again as judge sides with Muslim in defamation suit

I love my Karma served medium rare topped with blue cheese crumbles.

436 Lidane  Jun 19, 2015 7:50:41am
437 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2015 7:52:19am

re: #431 GlutenFreeJesus

I was a chef on a cruise ship back in the 90s. Only for 1 year. Never again.

The students in question were female, and worked wait staff. They had some great experiences to share, but they were few and far between.

Chinese tourists, by the way, can be even worse than the so-called “ugly American” traveler.

438 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 7:52:39am

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY
She is mentioned in “Liberal Media” when she got kicked out of the church for being gay

439 Dr. Matt  Jun 19, 2015 7:53:50am

re: #436 Lidane

Good point. Because, you know, the Charleston Shooting suspect may be Hitler reincarnated too . Or perhaps his evil identical twin actually is the shooter. Or perhaps, we live in the Matrix and none of this is real.

Damn. I would make a great AM hate radio host.

440 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 19, 2015 7:54:28am

re: #436 Lidane

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441 Timothy Watson  Jun 19, 2015 7:54:49am

re: #438 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY
She is mentioned in “Liberal Media” when she got kicked out of the church for being gay

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She was also a security guard and a former cop, not a blowhard who took an hour long “safety” class and got a permit.

442 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2015 7:55:13am

Jive Peckerwood looks like a real cool dude.

Like someone we might read about some day.

443 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2015 7:55:56am

re: #436 Lidane

Sound like Savage Weiner is off his meds yet again.

444 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 19, 2015 7:55:56am

re: #438 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY
She is mentioned in “Liberal Media” when she got kicked out of the church for being gay

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445 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2015 7:55:59am

re: #442 ObserverArt

Jive Peckerwood looks like a real cool dude.

Like someone we might read about some day.

Someday his photos will be on the post office bulletin board, you mean?

446 iossarian  Jun 19, 2015 7:56:14am

re: #441 Timothy Watson

She was also a security guard and a former cop, not a blowhard who took an hour long “safety” class and got a permit.

Also, the thing these people can’t seem to figure out is that I DON’T WANT TO HAVE TO FUCKING ARM MYSELF JUST TO GO TO FUCKING CHURCH WITHOUT FEARING FOR MY FUCKING LIFE BECAUSE OF GUN NUTS.

447 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2015 7:57:43am

re: #445 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Someday his photos will be on the post office bulletin board, you mean?

That, or like the other night…an image caught on a security camera released by the police for a nationwide man-hunt.

448 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 19, 2015 7:57:47am

re: #434 #FergusonFireside

No. You don’t want to hear them. lol

It was definitely an experience though!

449 iossarian  Jun 19, 2015 7:58:02am

That one time that one of the conservative Lizards seriously suggested I should keep a gun under my desk at work. You know, just in case.

450 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 7:58:34am

re: #442 ObserverArt

Jive Peckerwood looks like a real cool dude.

Like someone we might read about some day.

Stupid to claim she’s not mentioned in “Liberal Media” when “Liberal Media” reported how she got kicked out of the church she saved from the shooter.

451 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 19, 2015 7:59:33am

re: #449 iossarian

That one time that one of the conservative Lizards seriously suggested I should keep a gun under my desk at work. You know, just in case.

I’d lose my job and be arrested if I did something that crazy.

452 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2015 8:00:22am

re: #449 iossarian

That one time that one of the conservative Lizards seriously suggested I should keep a gun under my desk at work. You know, just in case.

Like with duct tape? I never understood how you’re supposed to pull your duct-taped gun out fast enough to avoid being shot first.

453 Timothy Watson  Jun 19, 2015 8:00:46am

re: #451 No Country For Old Haters

I’d lose my job and be arrested if I did something that crazy.

THAT’S BECAUSE YOUR IN A GUN FREE ZONE!!1! THERE MUST BE RAPES AND MURDERS THERE EVERYDAY!!1!

454 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 8:00:53am

JSMFH

455 Lidane  Jun 19, 2015 8:01:02am
456 iossarian  Jun 19, 2015 8:02:03am

re: #452 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Like with duct tape? I never understood how you’re supposed to pull your duct-taped gun out fast enough to avoid being shot first.

Or you mess up your jerry-rigged system and maim yourself.

It’s really stupid but it is, in fact, the actual proposed optimal solution for the hard-core gun people.

457 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 19, 2015 8:02:48am

re: #453 Timothy Watson

THAT’S BECAUSE YOUR IN A GUN FREE ZONE!!1! THERE MUST BE RAPES AND MURDERS THERE EVERYDAY!!1!

It’s not quite that bad, but sometimes people say “happy holidays” toward the end of the year, so we’re definitely on that slippery slope toward rape, murder, and general chaos.

458 Dr. Matt  Jun 19, 2015 8:03:05am

re: #452 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Like with duct tape? I never understood how you’re supposed to pull your duct-taped gun out fast enough to avoid being shot first.

Precisely. Even if some of those men and women were armed in Church several nights ago, Dylann still had the element of surprise and the end result would have likely been the same.

459 Franklin  Jun 19, 2015 8:04:05am

re: #452 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Like with duct tape? I never understood how you’re supposed to pull your duct-taped gun out fast enough to avoid being shot first.

Bruce Willis can do it taped to his back with Xmas wrapping tape. That’s Why. #yippeekiyaymrfalcon

460 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2015 8:04:26am

re: #453 Timothy Watson

THAT’S BECAUSE YOUR IN A GUN FREE ZONE!!1! THERE MUST BE RAPES AND MURDERS THERE EVERYDAY!!1!

It’s like Mad Max times eleventy here in China. Only military and cops can have guns, and the citizens just run amuck, doing rapey stabby stuff, and even litterin’ — with impunity.
// - do I need to really add these

461 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 19, 2015 8:06:02am

re: #414 The Vicious Babushka

Would you want to take a cruise on this monster?

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No, thanks. Already went on a cruise.

462 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 8:06:19am

re: #458 Dr. Matt

Precisely. Even if some of those men and women were armed in Church several nights ago, Dylann still had the element of surprise and the end result would have likely been the same.

Jeanne Assam was a trained security professional, not some random asshole with a gun.

463 iossarian  Jun 19, 2015 8:06:19am

re: #458 Dr. Matt

Precisely. Even if some of those men and women were armed in Church several nights ago, Dylann still had the element of surprise and the end result would have likely been the same.

The other point to make here is that if they had all been armed, you’ve also upped the general injury and death rate across the community by x% due to accidents, suicides, escalations of petty arguments/crimes etc.

Gun violence is a systemic issue. It’s not just a question of “I arm myself to protect myself”. By arming oneself, one makes everyone a little less safe. That’s why the pro-gun lobby was so keen to suppress public health research into gun violence for years.

464 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 19, 2015 8:08:26am

re: #436 Lidane

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Wouldn’t he have killed white people then, since the O Admin hates them some white people?

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465 danarchy  Jun 19, 2015 8:09:28am

re: #452 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Like with duct tape? I never understood how you’re supposed to pull your duct-taped gun out fast enough to avoid being shot first.

Nah this is America, you’d be amazed how many different under desk holsters there are on the market.

466 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2015 8:09:36am

re: #456 iossarian

Or you mess up your jerry-rigged system and maim yourself.

It’s really stupid but it is, in fact, the actual proposed optimal solution for the hard-core gun people.

Case 1: It’s loaded with the safety on. You’re probably dead.
Case 2: It’s loaded with the safety off. You’re still probably dead, and run the risk of discharging it by accident, thereby removing the element of surprise, and/or shooting yourself.

But it always works in the movies, so there’s that.

467 Dr. Matt  Jun 19, 2015 8:09:48am

re: #452 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Like with duct tape? I never understood how you’re supposed to pull your duct-taped gun out fast enough to avoid being shot first.

Ammosexuals live in world where they believe they can do this:

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468 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 19, 2015 8:09:59am

re: #458 Dr. Matt

Plus he would have had more guns to take with him.

469 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2015 8:11:02am

re: #465 danarchy

Nah this is America, you’d be amazed how many different under desk holsters there are on the market.

OK. I forgot about good ol’ American ingenuity. Desk holsters. WTF?

470 iossarian  Jun 19, 2015 8:12:26am

re: #469 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

OK. I forgot about good ol’ American ingenuity. Desk holsters. WTF?

Gap in the market: standing desk holster.

standing desks : 2015 :: cell phones : 1997

471 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2015 8:13:32am

re: #470 iossarian

Gap in the market: standing desk holster.

standing desks : 2015 :: cell phones : 1997

I’ll get my design team on it. We can have something on alibaba.com within the week!

472 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 8:14:04am

Gunfuckers think you’re going to be able to fire straight during a stressful situation. It’s funny to me because they’re always hurr hurr you libtards don’t understand guns and they’re right maybe I don’t but even an idiot understands that it’s not as simple as a “good guy with a gun.”

473 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 19, 2015 8:14:32am

re: #465 danarchy

Yup.

google.com

474 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 19, 2015 8:14:43am

re: #467 Dr. Matt

Ammosexuals live in world where they believe they can do this:

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They live in a world where a few hours of range time coupled with watching bad movies makes them good with a gun. Though a swabbie, I had my firearms training at Camp Pendleton, courtesy of the USMC. I carried and used firearms in combat for a year. I spend an hour a week at either an indoor or outdoor range. I consider myself fair with a gun. My firearms are stored partially field stripped in a locked safe when they’re not at the range.

475 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 8:15:28am

re: #474 Higgs Boson’s Mate

They live in a world where a few hours of range time coupled with watching bad movies makes them good with a gun. Though a swabbie, I had my firearms training at Camp Pendleton, courtesy of the USMC. I carried and used firearms in combat for a year. I spend an hour a week at either an indoor or outdoor range. I consider myself fair with a gun. My firearms are stored partially field stripped in a locked safe when they’re not at the range.

Life is a C rate 80’s Action movie to them.

476 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 19, 2015 8:15:44am

re: #438 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY
She is mentioned in “Liberal Media” when she got kicked out of the church for being gay

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If you want to defend youself at home, that is your right, but leave public use of firearms to people who are trained in their use in such situations.

477 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 19, 2015 8:15:44am

OT but since I now haz laptop at work I’m killing it with the 3 screens.

478 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2015 8:16:18am

re: #449 iossarian

That one time that one of the conservative Lizards seriously suggested I should keep a gun under my desk at work. You know, just in case.

Along with the kg of C4 and a detonator in case a mad bomber shows up.

479 iossarian  Jun 19, 2015 8:17:01am

The solution is for every church to install metal detectors and hire security guards.

But then they’ll pass a law that says that you still have to let people bring their guns into church. Because, you know, Jesus said “let no-one prevent this Judeo-Christian conservative straight white male from coming to me, even if he might shoot someone, for no-one comes to the Father except he be packing heat.”

480 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 19, 2015 8:19:06am

re: #478 Feline Fearless Leader

Along with the kg of C4 and a detonator in case a mad bomber shows up.

Why not a nuke with a dead-man switch in case the attacker gets you first? Half-measures like C4 are for Liberals.

481 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 19, 2015 8:20:19am

re: #479 iossarian

The solution is for every church to install metal detectors and hire security guards.

But then they’ll pass a law that says that you still have to let people bring their guns into church. Because, you know, Jesus said “let no-one prevent this Judeo-Christian conservative straight white male from coming to me, even if he might shoot someone, for no-one comes to the Father except he be packing heat.”

That’s a depressing solution. I feel like we’ve already lost when we’re installing metal detectors and security guards at churches and schools. It’s just a patch on a serious underlying problem.

482 D_Red  Jun 19, 2015 8:20:44am

Again, that Wall Street Journal editorial is insane. We know exactly what motivated this guy.

483 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 19, 2015 8:20:51am

re: #476 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

She was a paid guard, I would also assume she was trained in the use of a firearm in such situations.

We need has trained soldiers guards at every school, church, hospital, mall and auto shop!

All these trained soldiers guards need weapons and ammunition.

Hurr hurr why is government buying all the weapons and ammo?!?!?!?!

484 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 8:23:02am

re: #482 D_Red

Again, that Wall Street Journal editorial is insane. We know exactly what motivated this guy.

The WSJ is clueless but of course it’s a newspaper for sheltered rich whites by rich sheltered whites.

485 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 19, 2015 8:23:07am

re: #479 iossarian

Remember these? The ping pong balls + mousetraps demos of nuclear fission?

That’s what I foresee happening soon when a large conglomeration of amateurs packing heat gets spooked by an accidental discharge.

486 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 8:25:27am

re: #481 No Country For Old Haters

That’s a depressing solution. I feel like we’ve already lost when we’re installing metal detectors and security guards at churches and schools. It’s just a patch on a serious underlying problem.

That’s how I feel about those who say we should arm the teachers. Schools already feel more like prisons with the increase in metal detractors and guards. And now they want to arm the teachers? I really think we need to do something about guns and our culture. I really do. Too many people think a gun is the solution to a problem.

487 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 19, 2015 8:25:29am

re: #484 HappyWarrior

The WSJ is clueless but of course it’s a newspaper for sheltered rich whites by rich sheltered whites.

And who’s the Fox News owner who owns the WSJ?

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488 iossarian  Jun 19, 2015 8:25:35am

re: #481 No Country For Old Haters

That’s a depressing solution. I feel like we’ve already lost when we’re installing metal detectors and security guards at churches and schools. It’s just a patch on a serious underlying problem.

re: #485 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Remember these? The ping pong balls + mousetraps demos of nuclear fission?

That’s what I foresee happening soon when a large conglomeration of amateurs packing heat gets spooked by an accidental discharge.

Well, this is where we are in America. And not, it’s worth repeating, because of public opinion, which is by and large in favor of exploring restrictions on gun purchasing, in particular.

489 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 19, 2015 8:26:05am

re: #472 HappyWarrior

Gunfuckers think you’re going to be able to fire straight during a stressful situation. It’s funny to me because they’re always hurr hurr you libtards don’t understand guns and they’re right maybe I don’t but even an idiot understands that it’s not as simple as a “good guy with a gun.”

Depends.

The movie theatre in Aurora? Not a chance. That would have been a nightmare for a fucking trained SEAL, much less anyone of the rest of us.

The Virgina Tech shooting? Plausible. The gunman was at large for an extended period of time and all the classrooms were warned and had managed to barricade themselves. The lighting was good and nearly zero chance of hitting bystanders in hallways or if you were one of the people behind a barricade (in at least once instance, he forced through a barricaded door as students fled through a window as I recall, and would have made himself a nearly ideal target)

So yeah, in that very unusual situation, a student with a gun could likely have stopped the killer…but mass killings are usually chaotic (like the Gabby Giffords incident) and it can be extremely difficult to even recognize who the killer is and who the ‘good guys with guns’ are (again, with the Giffords shooting, a civilian with a CCW nearly shot the people who actually tackled the shooter. Come to think of it…police shoot the wrong people with distressing regularity variety.com )

490 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 19, 2015 8:26:41am

re: #485 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Remember these? The ping pong balls + mousetraps demos of nuclear fission?

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That’s what I foresee happening soon when a large conglomeration of amateurs packing heat gets spooked by an accidental discharge.

That is roughly what will happen the next time a large area is visitied by a natural and/or man-made disaster and the goverhment has to call out the troops to resore order and public services.

It will automatically be seen as a coup attempt and they will come out shooting at anything that looks like a government vehicle or potential looter.

491 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 8:26:45am

re: #487 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

And who’s the Fox News owner who owns the WSJ?

//

A biracial African American Jewish lesbian? // Just kidding. Know it’s Rupert the Bigot.

492 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2015 8:27:03am

re: #454 The Vicious Babushka

JSMFH

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Always needs to be remembered who owns the WSJ.

Then again, maybe Chief Justice Roberts got to be the editor for a day and wrote that.

493 D_Red  Jun 19, 2015 8:28:16am

re: #484 HappyWarrior

The WSJ is clueless but of course it’s a newspaper for sheltered rich whites by rich sheltered whites.

Clueless doesn’t come close. This is malicious.

494 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 8:29:51am

re: #489 Aunty Entity Dragon

Depends.

The movie theatre in Aurora? Not a chance. That would have been a nightmare for a fucking trained SEAL, much less anyone of the rest of us.

The Virgina Tech shooting? Plausible. The gunman was at large for an extended period of time and all the classrooms were warned and had managed to barricade themselves. The lighting was good and neary zero chance of hitting bystanders in hallways or if you were one of the people behind a barricade (in at least once instance, he forced through a barricaded door as students fled through a window as I recall, and would have made himself a nearly ideal target)

So yeah, in that very unusual situation, a student with a gun could likely have stopped the killer...but mass killings are usually chaotic (like the Gabby Giffords incident) and it can be extremely difficult to even recognize who the killer is and who the ‘good guys with guns’ are (again, with the Giffords shooting, a civilian with a CCW nearly shot the people who actually tackled the shooter. Come to think of it…police shoot the wrong people with distressing regularity variety.com )

Right, that’s really my main point that mass killings are chaotic. I do remember that with the Giffords shooting. I actually think some of these people do mean well but they fail to recongize that reality isn’t a video game. What angers me about them is A) how they treat any attempt to talk reasonably about guns as an attack on their rights and B) want to blame anything but guns for these tragedies.

495 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 8:30:37am

re: #493 D_Red

Clueless doesn’t come close. This is malicious.

For sure.

496 De Kolta Chair  Jun 19, 2015 8:31:37am

re: #442 ObserverArt

Jive Peckerwood looks like a real cool dude.

Like someone we might read about some day.

The police need to interview his roommate asap.

497 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 8:32:18am

We knew Dim Jim would go there and he went there==>

498 makeitstop  Jun 19, 2015 8:32:20am

Jon Stewart just made my jaded old ass cry. His opening last night was right on the money.

And it’s a goddamn shame that again, the people who should pay close attention to it just won’t.

I’m heading out on the road today to do a show and won’t be near a computer for most of today. Which is just as well. The time away from this story and the accompanying derp is something I pretty desperately need at this point.

499 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2015 8:32:24am

re: #466 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Case 1: It’s loaded with the safety on. You’re probably dead.
Case 2: It’s loaded with the safety off. You’re still probably dead, and run the risk of discharging it by accident, thereby removing the element of surprise, and/or shooting yourself.

But it always works in the movies, so there’s that.

Director: Let’s do that scene over again for the 27th time until we get it right!

500 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 19, 2015 8:34:19am

re: #497 The Vicious Babushka

We knew Dim Jim would go there and he went there==>

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501 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 8:35:08am

re: #497 The Vicious Babushka

We knew Dim Jim would go there and he went there==>

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i give up even being surprised by the depths of that man’s intellectual dishonesty anymore.

502 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 8:35:28am

re: #500 No Country For Old Haters

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Next thing #tcot will be saying he’s a time-traveling Democrat from 1915

503 De Kolta Chair  Jun 19, 2015 8:35:43am

Lessons learned from the RW media:

1) Dylann Roof can’t be a racist because racism no longer exists;

2) Rightwingers are assholes.

504 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 8:35:48am

re: #500 No Country For Old Haters

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Conservatives believe in personal responsibility for other people. I can’t honestly recall the last time a conservative actually took some himself.

505 Dr. Matt  Jun 19, 2015 8:36:53am

re: #497 The Vicious Babushka

Yes, the right-wing Dylann Roof wanted to burn the American flag because he supported the Confederate rag.

506 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 19, 2015 8:36:57am

re: #485 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I really doubt it. For the most part, ppl actually do not want to shoot and kill even if they are packing (there was a nasty case of training aids for cops a year or so ago with pistol targets of little children and pregnant women holding guns to get cops to overcome their natural reluctance to shoot kids and women. Like that’s what we fucking need…)

Even at the apex of gun owning anarchy in the 1870’s West, you really don’t see incidents of ppl shooting each other by mistake to a sigificant degree in confrontations (which were actually not as common as the movies make out)

Most ppl, gun owners or not, will take cover at the sound of close gunfire and then evaluate if they should get out OR try to shoot back. The taking cover thing is hardwired evolution…but the idea that 15 people are going to randomly shoot any living person they see simply doesn’t hold water.

507 Timothy Watson  Jun 19, 2015 8:37:21am

re: #497 The Vicious Babushka

We knew Dim Jim would go there and he went there==>

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Remember folks, burning the American flag is evil, but flying the Flag of Treason is a great American activity!

508 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 8:37:42am

re: #502 The Vicious Babushka

Next thing #tcot will be saying he’s a time-traveling Democrat from 1915

I cannot wait to hear how Rhodesia and Apartheid era South Africa were leftist regimes despite you know rightists everywhere supporting them.

509 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2015 8:38:14am

re: #508 HappyWarrior

I cannot wait to hear how Rhodesia and Apartheid era South Africa were leftist regimes despite you know rightists everywhere supporting them.

He’ll blame the Dutch.

510 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 8:39:32am

re: #505 Dr. Matt

Yes, the right-wing Dylann Roof wanted to burn the American flag because he supported the Confederate rag.

He also again continues to use a tragedy to question the love American lefties have for this country. I’ve never burned a flag in my life and never will but Dim Jim Hoft as usual pushes the narrative that thinking being able to burn the flag is constitutional means we burn the flag ourselves. He’s a disgusting little man.

511 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 8:39:56am

re: #509 Feline Fearless Leader

He’ll blame the Dutch.

DUTCH LIBERAL DRUGGIES.//

512 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2015 8:41:47am

re: #496 De Kolta Chair

The police need to interview his roommate asap.

Or check with the family to see what kind of gifts he gets, history he studies and his selection of jacket patches.

514 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 19, 2015 8:44:04am

re: #508 HappyWarrior

I cannot wait to hear how Rhodesia and Apartheid era South Africa were leftist regimes despite you know rightists everywhere supporting them.

Because a minority imposing its will on a majority has to do it collectively and not individually.

515 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2015 8:44:27am

re: #501 HappyWarrior

i give up even being surprised by the depths of that man’s intellectual dishonesty anymore.

WARNING! WARNING! WARNING!

Never use the word intellect or any of its forms in regards to one Jim Hoft.

516 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2015 8:44:50am

Wonkette says it well.

Maybe, despite Roof’s confession, his real motivation was about a war on Christians. Or because there’s so much abortion in our country that he doesn’t know it’s wrong to slaughter nine people in a church, who just happen to be black. Perhaps we’ll never know the real reason, despite Roof saying what the real reason is. The last thing we’d want to do is jump to conclusions to make a racist hate crime about race, even when the confessed murderer is telling us that’s exactly what it is.

wonkette.com

And that right there - in a nicely satirical package - is the RW talking points.

517 Eventual Carrion  Jun 19, 2015 8:45:29am

re: #378 weave

How is that supposed to work? Some secret government agents somehow convince a 21 year old to murder several people and then let himself get arrested and possibly face the death penalty all so Obama can take away our guns?

Obama is VERY persuasive.

518 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 8:45:32am

re: #515 ObserverArt

WARNING! WARNING! WARNING!

Never use the word intellect or any of its forms in regards to one Jim Hoft.

Well he is intellectually dishonest but point taken.

519 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 8:46:05am

re: #517 Eventual Carrion

Obama is VERY persuasive.

He offered to get him Chipolte every day of the trial.//

520 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 8:46:42am

Secret Service should investigate everyone who Tweets this meme, because this is some fucked up shit==>

522 Eventual Carrion  Jun 19, 2015 8:47:58am

re: #383 freetoken

Let me see if I get this correctly: a white guy threatens black kids with a real gun and gets out of jail with a $300 bond.

Contrast that to a black kid with a water gun who gets executed by police.

Or someone possessing a 1/4 oz of weed gets a $5000 - $10000 bond.

523 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 8:48:12am

re: #516 Dr Lizardo

Wonkette says it well.

wonkette.com

And that right there - in a nicely satirical package - is the RW talking points.

Wonkette is one of the better satirists out there. Real satirists not mean spirited pricks masquerading as them like Limbaugh who thankfully I have not seen comment yet on this tragedy and no that’s not an invitation to post what that poisonous prick had to say since after seeing Alex Jones and Michael Savage’s responses, I don’t want to think what the Grand Pooah of right wing bigotry has to say.

524 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 8:49:23am

re: #520 The Vicious Babushka

Secret Service should investigate everyone who Tweets this meme, because this is some fucked up shit==>

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Fucker.

525 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 8:49:49am

re: #522 Eventual Carrion

Or someone possessing a 1/4 oz of weed gets a $5000 - $10000 bond.

AGh.

526 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2015 8:50:02am

re: #518 HappyWarrior

Well he is intellectually dishonest but point taken.

You original post in question was just as powerful without intellectual being in the sentence. Depth of dishonesty works just fine. And, it saves you some keystrokes and time for more real honesty about how there is no intellect in anything that bozo does.

: )

527 De Kolta Chair  Jun 19, 2015 8:51:35am

Apropos of something…

528 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 19, 2015 8:51:43am

re: #520 The Vicious Babushka

Secret Service should investigate everyone who Tweets this meme, because this is some fucked up shit==>

But not an open threat or call for armed uprising.

Just weapons-grade stupid.

But it is scary that with regards to Herr Roof, his statements slipped under the radar because they barely differ from what you see and hear every day on the Internet and other broadcast media.

529 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2015 8:51:48am

re: #520 The Vicious Babushka

Secret Service should investigate everyone who Tweets this meme, because this is some fucked up shit==>

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Damn. I wish they would stop talking about the GOP like that!!!

530 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 8:52:21am

re: #527 De Kolta Chair

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531 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 8:52:21am

re: #526 ObserverArt

You original post in question was just as powerful without intellectual being in the sentence. Depth of dishonesty works just fine. And, it saves you some keystrokes and time for more real honesty about how there is no intellect in anything that bozo does.

: )

True that. I just think ID describes his MO better than plain dishonesty. He’s a sad little man who thinks no conservative has ever done anything wrong ever.

532 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 8:54:49am

Isn’t the USSC decision on SSM supposed to come out today?

533 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2015 8:54:59am

re: #527 De Kolta Chair

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Do bee…be getting off on the paint fumes in that great ol’ leaded enamel.

Don’t bee a few hours later when still muddled by the fumes wearing off and the lead taking effect.

/// I love those old images you post up by the way.

534 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2015 8:56:03am

re: #519 HappyWarrior

He offered to get him Chipolte every day of the trial.//

Joe Biden and Obama were drinking a few beers and then made a bet about who could do what using the orbital mind control lasers.

535 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 19, 2015 8:56:04am

re: #532 HappyWarrior

Isn’t the USSC decision on SSM supposed to come out today?

I think the court decisions are released on Mondays

536 De Kolta Chair  Jun 19, 2015 8:56:40am

re: #533 ObserverArt

/// I love those old images you post up by the way.

Thanks. You’re not so bad yourself!

537 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 8:56:42am

re: #535 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I think the court decisions are released on Mondays

Ahh okay.

538 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 8:57:00am

re: #534 Feline Fearless Leader

Joe Biden and Obama were drinking a few beers and then made a bet about who could do what using the orbital mind control lasers.

Conniving.

539 calochortus  Jun 19, 2015 8:57:05am

re: #535 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

I think the court decisions are released on Mondays

Most of them, but not all. However, I don’t think they are releasing any more decisions before the weekend, so maybe Monday?

540 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2015 8:57:06am

re: #523 HappyWarrior

Yep.

Trying to start a race war? Only two places I’ve heard that - Charles Manson and The Turner Diaries. In Roof’s case, it seems like he was aiming more for a Turner Diaries version. IIRC, Manson’s idea was quite a bit different.

Nutjobs everywhere, and it seems like they’re coming out of the woodwork more and more these days.

541 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2015 8:58:05am

re: #523 HappyWarrior

Wonkette is one of the better satirists out there. Real satirists not mean spirited pricks masquerading as them like Limbaugh who thankfully I have not seen comment yet on this tragedy and no that’s not an invitation to post what that poisonous prick had to say since after seeing Alex Jones and Michael Savage’s responses, I don’t want to think what the Grand Pooah of right wing bigotry has to say.

Rush will ignore the actual event and make it all about *OBAMA* politicizing a tragedy by mentioning guns in his statement.

542 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 19, 2015 8:58:22am

re: #540 Dr Lizardo

Yep.

Trying to start a race war? Only two places I’ve heard that - Charles Manson and The Turner Diaries. In Roof’s case, it seems like he was aiming more for a Turner Diaries version. IIRC, Manson’s idea was quite a bit different.

Nutjobs everywhere, and it seems like they’re coming out of the woodwork more and more these days.

Yeah but he wanted to burn an American flag so liberal libtard.

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543 BongCrodny  Jun 19, 2015 8:58:52am

I’m trying to convince my cousin that “I’m Herny for Bernie” would be a great political slogan, but she’s not having any of it.

544 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 8:59:11am

re: #541 Feline Fearless Leader

Rush will ignore the actual event and make it all about *OBAMA* politicizing a tragedy by mentioning guns in his statement.

That’s what I expect.

545 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 8:59:45am

re: #540 Dr Lizardo

Yep.

Trying to start a race war? Only two places I’ve heard that - Charles Manson and The Turner Diaries. In Roof’s case, it seems like he was aiming more for a Turner Diaries version. IIRC, Manson’s idea was quite a bit different.

Nutjobs everywhere, and it seems like they’re coming out of the woodwork more and more these days.

Yeah definitely seems Turner Diaries inspired.

546 De Kolta Chair  Jun 19, 2015 9:01:48am

re: #377 Dr. Matt

Another day in Justice Roberts’ post-racial America

Those damn kids were trying to take away his guns, his car, his house, his rice burner, his garden hose and his wifebeater t-shirt!!!11!!

547 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 19, 2015 9:02:07am

re: #545 HappyWarrior

Yeah definitely seems Turner Diaries inspired.

We already had Pam Geller trying to start a religious war.

548 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 9:02:26am

“The Confederate flag flies over South Carolina. The roads are named for Confederate generals. And the white guy feels like his country is being the one taken away from him. We’re bringing it on ourselves, ISIS, AQ, they’re not shit compared to the damages we do to ourselves on a regular basis.”
Paraphrasing Jon Stewart.

549 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 19, 2015 9:03:59am

re: #541 Feline Fearless Leader

Rush will ignore the actual event and make it all about *OBAMA* politicizing a tragedy by mentioning guns in his statement.

I think they are already going back to “OBAMA CREATED RACIAL HATRED AND ONLY LIBS ARE RACISTS AND SOME DEMOCRAT FROM WEST VIRGINA USED TO BE IN THE KKK SO SUCK THE BIG HAIRY ONE LIBTARDS HURR HURR HURR”

550 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2015 9:04:11am

re: #545 HappyWarrior

Yeah definitely seems Turner Diaries inspired.

I had to go back and read Manson’s ‘Helter Skelter’ scenario, which can be found here for those who might not be familiar with it: en.wikipedia.org and Roof’s notions of a race war are far more in line with The Turner Diaries. And he’s certainly not the only RWNJ who was inspired by that book, not by a damn sight.

551 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 9:04:13am

theonion.com
FAIRFAX, VA—In the wake of Wednesday’s mass shooting that left nine dead at a church in South Carolina, sources confirmed today that National Rifle Association officials had already started up with their shit about what would be an even greater injustice. “What happened in Charleston is a terrible tragedy, but what would be even worse is if we reacted to this event by passing laws infringing on our constitutional rights,” said NRA board member Charles Cotton, who, right on cue, let loose the same predictable flood of steaming horseshit about how the real threat facing Americans comes from legislators who would attempt to restrict access to firearms. “While we mourn those killed, we should never let an incident like this distract from our defense of [the fact that I myself am a pile of human waste who is fundamentally incapable of responding to the deaths of innocent people without raw, putrid sewage gushing from my mouth].” At press time, the NRA had called on Congress to honor the victims of Wednesday’s shooting by passing a law ensuring that citizens can protect themselves by carrying semi-automatic weapons into all houses of worship.

552 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 9:05:08am

re: #550 Dr Lizardo

I had to go back and read Manson’s ‘Helter Skelter’ scenario, which can be found here for those who might not be familiar with it: en.wikipedia.org and Roof’s notions of a race war are far more in line with The Turner Diaries. And he’s certainly not the only RWNJ who was inspired by that book, not by a damn sight.

McVeigh was. Others too. William Luther Pierce was a nasty piece of shit.

553 piratedan  Jun 19, 2015 9:05:50am

re: #549 Aunty Entity Dragon

if only he hadn’t divided the country by being elected….

554 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 9:06:17am

re: #549 Aunty Entity Dragon

I think they are already going back to “OBAMA CREATED RACIAL HATRED AND ONLY LIBS ARE RACISTS AND SOME DEMOCRAT FROM WEST VIRGINA USED TO BE IN THE KKK SO SUCK THE BIG HAIRY ONE LIBTARDS HURR HURR HURR”

Yeah that does seem to be the go back by the cons to blame Obama for the racial divide even though Obama has had the most racially diverse administration ever. Cons are as usual in denial about their role in the culture of racism.

555 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 9:06:51am

re: #553 piratedan

if only he hadn’t divided the country by being elected….

You jest but I am sure some of them believe he did exactly that.

556 freetoken  Jun 19, 2015 9:08:11am

re: #551 HappyWarrior

You didn’t have to go to The Onion for a stupid statement by the NRA regarding Charleston.

An NRA already did it by himself:

NRA board member blames pastor for Charleston deaths

557 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 9:10:27am

re: #556 freetoken

You didn’t have to go to The Onion for a stupid statement by the NRA regarding Charleston.

An NRA already did it by himself:

NRA board member blames pastor for Charleston deaths

I should have clarified that the NRA already did exactly that. I did read about them blaming Pastor Pinckney for having voted against certain gun laws. I despise the NRA.

558 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 9:11:19am
559 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 19, 2015 9:11:20am

re: #556 freetoken

You didn’t have to go to The Onion for a stupid statement by the NRA regarding Charleston.

An NRA already did it by himself:

NRA board member blames pastor for Charleston deaths

These people….

560 gwangung  Jun 19, 2015 9:11:35am

Typical right winger: “Well, how I don’t hear anything about black on black crime, huh? How come? How come??”

Me: “Did you know a marker for racism is a loss of hearing?”

561 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 9:14:53am

LOL some wingnut’s automatic Tweet app has a major malfunction==>

562 Franklin  Jun 19, 2015 9:15:13am

re: #560 gwangung

Typical right winger: “Well, how I don’t hear anything about black on black crime, huh? How come? How come??”

Me: “Did you know a marker for racism is a loss of hearing?”

Typical right winger: “Huh?”

Me: “Exactly”

FTFY

563 Eventual Carrion  Jun 19, 2015 9:15:15am

re: #436 Lidane

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564 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 9:15:31am

re: #561 The Vicious Babushka

LOL some wingnut’s automatic Tweet app has a major malfunction==>

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Does he not understand tongue in cheek?

565 #FergusonFireside  Jun 19, 2015 9:15:37am

re: #498 makeitstop

Jon Stewart just made my jaded old ass cry. His opening last night was right on the money.

And it’s a goddamn shame that again, the people who should pay close attention to it just won’t.

I’m heading out on the road today to do a show and won’t be near a computer for most of today. Which is just as well. The time away from this story and the accompanying derp is something I pretty desperately need at this point.

Me too. I’m still recovering.

566 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 9:16:31am

re: #565 #FergusonFireside

Me too. I’m still recovering.

I finally watched it. Damn powerful words from Jon. He may be one of the most funny guys in the business but he knows how to say the right words after tragedy too better than pretty much all the news anchors out there.

567 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 19, 2015 9:19:41am

re: #558 The Vicious Babushka

NOT THE ONION: White Supremacists Say #CharlestonShooting Makes Them Look Bad

Of course: not all white supremacists want to see the blacks killed, they would be happy just having them segregated or sent back to Africa…

568 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 9:19:54am

And now the Godwins.

No they’re not comparing Dylann Roof to a nazi even though that would actually be appropriate.

Click to Reveal
569 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 9:21:05am

re: #568 The Vicious Babushka

And now the Godwins.

No they’re not comparing Dylann Roof to a nazi even though that would actually be appropriate.

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Except Hitler actually did the total opposite.

570 Dr. Matt  Jun 19, 2015 9:22:37am
From: huffingtonpost.com
Conservative Blogger Sues Gawker For $66 Million Over Public Pooping Rumors

What do you do when an irreverent liberal blog implies that you pooped on the floor in college? Sue for $66 million, of course.

The plaintiff in this odd complaint is the right-wing blogger and provocateur Charles “Chuck” Johnson, a not-very-credible journalist best known for crusading against “Jackie,” the woman at the center of Rolling Stone’s retracted campus rape story. Johnson also made a name for himself with hot takes like “Was Amtrak Train Engineer #BrandonBostian A Tranny Supporter?”

hahahahahaha

571 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 9:22:43am

re: #569 HappyWarrior

Except Hitler actually did the total opposite.

Wingnuts never allow facts to get in the way of a good Hitler meme.

572 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 19, 2015 9:23:18am

re: #569 HappyWarrior

Except Hitler actually did the total opposite.

Any sort of gun control is the first step on the slippery slope to total confiscation. There is no point in arguing, that is an NRA article of faith.

573 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 9:23:50am

re: #571 The Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts never allow facts to get in the way of a good Hitler meme.

Of course. They also ignore the fact that Obama hasn’t done much any gun control. The president with the biggest record of “gun grabbing” on his record. Why Reagan of course and wingnuts all worship hm.

574 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2015 9:25:41am

If gun control leads to tyranny and dictators, shouldn’t most of the First World be living under strongarm tyrants?

575 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 9:26:16am
576 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 9:26:25am

re: #574 Eclectic Cyborg

If gun control leads to tyranny and dictators, shouldn’t most of the First World be living under strongarm tyrants?

They actually do believe that Canada, UK, etc are tyrannies.

577 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 9:27:08am

re: #572 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Any sort of gun control is the first step on the slippery slope to total confiscation. There is no point in arguing, that is an NRA article of faith.

Because every country that ever did gun control had a great big genocide of unarmed citizens. Like Australia. Oh wait…

578 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 9:27:41am
579 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 9:27:44am

re: #575 The Vicious Babushka

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Oh I see, laud her as a hero but totally ignore the fact that the church turned on her when they found she was gay. Besides Jeanne was a trained professional unlike the gun fucks who think because they pose with guns know what they’re doing.

580 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 19, 2015 9:27:44am

re: #575 The Vicious Babushka

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581 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 9:28:30am

re: #578 The Vicious Babushka

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Constupiditatives strike again.

582 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 19, 2015 9:28:40am

re: #578 The Vicious Babushka

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583 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 9:29:20am

re: #580 No Country For Old Haters

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There’s a necessity to be armed if you’re paranoid about everyone around you which is exactly the environment the NRA fucking wants.

584 Kragar  Jun 19, 2015 9:29:49am
585 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2015 9:30:18am

re: #576 HappyWarrior

They actually do believe that Canada, UK, etc are tyrannies.

Because Queen Elizabeth is the most horribul person evur!!!

586 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 9:30:28am

I choose to be truly free. I choose not to need or want a gun on me at all times. That’s real freedom if you ask me.

587 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2015 9:31:12am

re: #570 Dr. Matt

hahahahahaha

The petition has not been filed with the court yet, though. I checked this morning, Supposedly, his lawyers were going to file the petition “within the hour” from the time Chuck spoke to The Daily Caller about it yesterday.

588 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 19, 2015 9:31:12am

re: #583 HappyWarrior

There’s a necessity to be armed if you’re paranoid about everyone around you which is exactly the environment the NRA fucking wants.

Wingnuts win if they manage to destroy civilization, and they know it. They’re hopeless square pegs in a civilized country, so they want to tear it all up.

589 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 9:31:22am

There was an experiment done after the Charlie Hebdo shootings in France, to see what would happen if they had been armed.

The results: they were all shot dead.

590 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 9:31:24am

re: #585 Eclectic Cyborg

Because Queen Elizabeth is the most horribul person evur!!!

Heh.

591 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 19, 2015 9:31:32am

re: #585 Eclectic Cyborg

Because Queen Elizabeth is the most horribul person evur!!!

And a drug dealer, at least according to WIngnut luminary Lyndon LaRouche.

592 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 19, 2015 9:31:39am

re: #587 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The petition has not been filed with the court yet, though. I checked this morning, Supposedly, his lawyers were going to file the petition “within the hour” from the time Chuck spoke to The Daily Caller about it yesterday.

I’m sure it’s been filed in UpChucks rich fantasy world.

593 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2015 9:32:12am

re: #574 Eclectic Cyborg

If gun control leads to tyranny and dictators, shouldn’t most of the First World be living under strongarm tyrants?

100 years ago most of them were still living under monarchs.

594 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2015 9:32:40am

I bet Chuck didn’t file it yet on purpose, hoping Gawker would cave and settle with him before he had to.

595 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2015 9:32:52am

One last comment before heading out…

That bit where the RWNJ gun-lovers mock the gun free zones always gets me.

Yeah, it is an idealistic thought to put up some signs and declare an area a gun free zone.

No more idealistic than thinking you are a gun-toting movie hee-row and can take down any threat with your gun excellence.

Later…keep on it all…there is a lot to keep on!

596 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 9:33:32am

LOL Derp
He’s the Chucky Johnson of GOP candidates

597 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 9:34:17am

re: #596 The Vicious Babushka

LOL Derp
He’s the Chucky Johnson of GOP candidates

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I needed a laugh. Thanks Jester Donald.

598 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 19, 2015 9:34:47am

re: #558 The Vicious Babushka

NOT THE ONION: White Supremacists Say #CharlestonShooting Makes Them Look Bad

Good to know that jumping the shark is no longer considered a bad thing.

599 freetoken  Jun 19, 2015 9:35:05am

Getting back to the Dolezal thing, an interesting paper showed up today in Genetics:

Characterizing race/ethnicity and genetic ancestry for 100,000 subjects in the Genetic Epidemiology Research on Adult Health and Aging (GERA) cohort

It’s just a tiny part of a large effort exploiting the Kaiser collection of DNA samples in medical research. But among the things that caught my eye is Table 2 -

- where out of 2679 people who self-declared as African-American or Black, 8 of them showed no detectable sub-Saharan ancestry.

Not quite sure what to make of that, (were the participants just being troublemakers?) but it goes to show that someone may declare they are this-or-that and it just not be true.

600 Mike Lamb  Jun 19, 2015 9:38:21am

re: #520 The Vicious Babushka

I could tolerate everything else…but I draw the line at huckstering!

601 Ace-o-aces  Jun 19, 2015 9:38:45am

re: #596 The Vicious Babushka

602 Dr. Matt  Jun 19, 2015 9:44:29am

re: #587 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The petition has not been filed with the court yet, though. I checked this morning, Supposedly, his lawyers were going to file the petition “within the hour” from the time Chuck spoke to The Daily Caller about it yesterday.

Blogger files defamation suit in St. Louis County against Gawker

It appears everyone is in a circle jerk citing each other without actually confirming whether it was been filed. Today’s journalism in a nutshell.

603 Timothy Watson  Jun 19, 2015 9:47:35am

re: #601 Ace-o-aces

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The investors probably came out fine, it was the creditors who got screwed.

604 #FergusonFireside  Jun 19, 2015 9:49:43am

This NAACP guy is giving a kick ass speech right now.

605 Dr. Matt  Jun 19, 2015 9:51:56am

re: #599 freetoken

Great paper. Thanks for sharing. Neil Risch is an awesome scientist.

I have some [presently] unpublished data using ancestry markers in a large cohort of Puerto Ricans who still live in PR. The admixture is very interesting. We can detect 5 distinct racial genetic backgrounds using < 1000 markers. We are going to increase our panel to see if we can tease out additional racial genetic backgrounds. It this on the DL for now. ;)

606 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 19, 2015 9:55:06am

Anyone know what church the shooter belonged to?

607 Eventual Carrion  Jun 19, 2015 10:02:52am

re: #509 Feline Fearless Leader

He’ll blame the Dutch.

“There’s only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people’s cultures and the Dutch. “


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