Stupidest Man on the Internet: Dylann Storm “Root” Is “A Typical Leftist”

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DERPThe raving right wing dolt known as the Stupidest Man on the Internet, Jim Hoft, thoughtfully informs his equally doltish readers that alleged mass murderer Dylann Storm Roof (Hoft calls him “Root” in the title and throughout his post; that why he’s the SMOTI) is…

A TYPICAL LEFTIST!

Mass murdered [sic] Dylann Storm Root [sic] is sounding more and more like a typical disgruntled leftist.

Dylann Storm Root [sic] after his arrest Thursday in North Carolina.

In a weird twist, nearly half of Dylann Storm Root’s [sic] friends on Facebook were African-Americans.

Dylann Storm Root [sic] talked to friends about burning the American flag.

He also had a recent history of making violent threats.

This is standard behavior for the Hoft-thing; he always tries to label mass murderers as leftists, no matter how obvious it is that they’re right wing extremists, racists and white supremacists.

Hoft’s irrefutable evidence that Dylann “Root” is a typical leftist? He had black friends! And he talked about burning an American flag! (Which isn’t surprising for a white supremacist who had a license plate labeled “Confederate States of America.”)

Even for the astoundingly dumb Jim Hoft, this is surpassingly dumb. There’s a whole lot of idiocy about this issue on right wing blogs today, but you’ll be hard-pressed to find anything more idiotic.

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486 comments
1 Dr. Matt  Jun 19, 2015 11:21:20am
2 Nyet  Jun 19, 2015 11:21:50am

Hoft is GRoot.

3 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 19, 2015 11:21:51am

Yep-Dim Jim still retains the title a #SMOTI.

4 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Jun 19, 2015 11:22:21am

This guy.

5 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 11:22:40am

re: #3 Eric The Fruit Bat

Yep-Dim Jim still retains the title a #SMOTI.

He lost his crown for a while to CCJ but he has it back now.

6 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 19, 2015 11:22:41am

No true Scotsman DimJim.

7 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 19, 2015 11:22:42am

re: #1 Dr. Matt

8 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 19, 2015 11:23:39am

If they ever start a Fox News for Dummies Hoft will be their first hire.

9 Dr. Matt  Jun 19, 2015 11:23:53am

Charleston shooting suspect Dylann Roof in court (Live Video at desmoinesregister.com)

10 #FergusonFireside  Jun 19, 2015 11:24:28am

Judge first makes statement talking about the poor family of Root.

Fuck this shit.

11 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 11:24:33am

No True Right Wing Scotsman of course. But you’re right. Every mass murderer and hell everyone who has ever done anything bad ever is a leftist in Jim’s eyes. He’s trying to push that because many lefties and yes myself included think you have the constitutional right to burn a flag means we burn the flag ourselves. That’s total horseshit and Hoft fucking knows it but because he’s a lying shithead, he’ll push this and the lie that Dylann Roof is a leftist because conservatives have to convince themselves that they’re not part of any problems in our society.

12 EPR-radar  Jun 19, 2015 11:25:29am

I think we have a case study in the healing power of ‘and’ here. Hoft is being both stupid and evil here. The stupidity is self-evident. The evil lies in the denial that this shooting is absolutely a product of US right wing nut job ideology.

13 Charles Johnson  Jun 19, 2015 11:26:50am
14 Jenner7  Jun 19, 2015 11:26:59am

re: #10 #FergusonFireside

Damn…

15 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2015 11:27:18am

Hey, Jim Hoft -

16 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 11:27:22am

re: #12 EPR-radar

I think we have a case study in the healing power of ‘and’ here. Hoft is being both stupid and evil here. The stupidity is self-evident. The evil lies in the denial that this shooting is absolutely a product of US right wing nut job ideology.

I think just evil. Stupid implies he doesn’t know better. He knows full well that that Roof was anything but a lefty and that believing flag burning is constitutional does not equate with burning the flag yourself and the fact that the reason why Dylann Roof hated the American flag was because it put down the yes, right wing Confederacy.

17 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 11:28:01am

re: #15 Dr Lizardo

Hey, Jim Hoft -

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Do do do do do, do do do do!

18 Dr. Matt  Jun 19, 2015 11:28:02am
19 Dr. Matt  Jun 19, 2015 11:28:26am

re: #13 Charles Johnson

AH! You beat me to it!

20 mikec6666  Jun 19, 2015 11:29:19am

When I think of Hoft, which isn’t often

Jim Hoft, I puke in your general direction
21 blueraven  Jun 19, 2015 11:29:56am

The victim’s family members are making statements to Roof in court.
Most of them are offering forgiveness. Tough to watch.

22 #FergusonFireside  Jun 19, 2015 11:30:49am
23 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 11:31:20am

re: #21 blueraven

The victim’s family members are making statements to Roof in court.
Most of them are offering forgiveness. Tough to watch.

Offer him forgiveness right before his execution, or after he has served 20 years of a life sentence.

Not now.

24 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 19, 2015 11:31:39am

re: #16 HappyWarrior

I’d deface the SC flag in an instant if it wern’t illegal.

25 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 11:32:07am

It’s Juneteenth. A very important day in the African-American community. We all celebrate Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation and understandably so but this is the day that 150 years ago today that the abolishment of slavery was announced to the slaves of Texas and moreover how slaves found out that they were finally free after generations of oppression.

26 Nyet  Jun 19, 2015 11:32:14am

re: #23 The Vicious Babushka

Offer him forgiveness right before his execution, or after he has served 20 years of a life sentence.

Not now.

They are doing what it says in the gospels.

27 ComradeDread  Jun 19, 2015 11:32:17am

The message of conservatives:
• The Federal Government is bad!
• Those people (and you know who they are) are taking money from hard working folks because they’re moochers! And it’s giving Them free health care now!
• The Federal government is threatening your religious freedom!
• They’re coming to take your guns!
• Those other people are invading our country and the Federal Government does nothing to stop it.
• Oh, he hated the Federal government so much he wanted to burn a flag? Typical libtard.

Asshats.

28 Dr. Matt  Jun 19, 2015 11:32:58am

1 million dollar bond.

29 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 11:33:07am

re: #27 ComradeDread

The message of conservatives:
• The Federal Government is bad!
• Those people (and you know who they are) are taking money from hard working folks because they’re moochers! And it’s giving Them free health care now!
• The Federal government is threatening your religious freedom!
• They’re coming to take your guns!
• Those other people are invading our country and the Federal Government does nothing to stop it.
• Oh, he hated the Federal government so much he wanted to burn a flag? Typical libtard.

Asshats.

Yep.

30 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 11:33:13am

re: #24 Eric The Fruit Bat

I’d deface the SC flag in an instant if it wern’t illegal.

I want to start a gofundme for Chuck Johnson to climb up the flagpole, take a dump & wipe his ass with the flag.

I would pay to watch him do that.

It’s the only skill he has.

31 Nyet  Jun 19, 2015 11:33:23am

I don’t understand why there should be a bond at all, even $1M.
No way he should be walking free.

32 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 11:34:14am

re: #31 Nyet

I don’t understand why there should be a bond at all, even $1M.
No way he should be walking free.

I think they only really deny bond when they seriously worry about someone being a flight risk but my memory could be wrong. I do have to agree though.

33 blueraven  Jun 19, 2015 11:34:20am

Thomas Roberts is having a hard time on MSNBC outside the courtroom. Voice cracking.

34 Jenner7  Jun 19, 2015 11:34:32am

CNN says it was very odd that the judge made a statement about Roof’s family.

35 EPR-radar  Jun 19, 2015 11:34:36am

re: #31 Nyet

I don’t understand why there should be a bond at all, even $1M.
No way he should be walking free.

That does seem idiotic. The flight risk is obvious.

36 Dr. Matt  Jun 19, 2015 11:35:10am

He’s safer in jail right now.

37 ComradeDread  Jun 19, 2015 11:35:13am

re: #31 Nyet

I’d hazard that it’s because it’s South Carolina where killing black men and women was something they used to do on Sundays before heading off to church.

38 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 11:35:15am

re: #34 Jenner7

CNN says it was very odd that the judge made a statement about Roof’s family.

It was for sure.

39 Nyet  Jun 19, 2015 11:35:28am

re: #23 The Vicious Babushka

Although Heine’s view of things has its own dark charm ;)

Mine is a most peaceable disposition. My wishes are: a humble cottage with a thatched roof, but a good bed, good food, the freshest milk and butter, flowers before my window, and a few fine trees before my door; and if God wants to make my happiness complete, he will grant me the joy of seeing some six or seven of my enemies hanging from those trees. Before death I shall, moved in my heart, forgive them all the wrong they did me in their lifetime. One must, it is true, forgive one’s enemies— but not before they have been hanged.

40 Jenner7  Jun 19, 2015 11:35:55am

ugh.

41 Dr. Matt  Jun 19, 2015 11:36:23am

re: #40 Jenner7

42 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 11:36:23am

re: #40 Jenner7

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ugh.

He’s a phony in so many ways.

43 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 11:36:52am

re: #41 Dr. Matt

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I can believe that. Peace and love be with you Deray.

44 EPR-radar  Jun 19, 2015 11:37:04am

re: #34 Jenner7

CNN says it was very odd that the judge made a statement about Roof’s family.

Indeed. Roof is legally an adult. Therefore his family is legally irrelevant. WTF is the judge up to with that?

In the larger picture, Roof must have learned his racism from somewhere, and family is one possibility.

45 Timothy Watson  Jun 19, 2015 11:37:27am

re: #31 Nyet

I don’t understand why there should be a bond at all, even $1M.
No way he should be walking free.

Wait, they actually gave him bail?

46 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2015 11:37:38am

They are saying the judge set the million dollar bond on a gun charge only, They haven’t set bond on the nine murder counts.

47 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 11:37:54am

re: #45 Timothy Watson

Wait, they actually gave him bail?

White privilege.

48 Nyet  Jun 19, 2015 11:38:21am

re: #46 ObserverArt

They are saying the judge set the million dollar bond on a gun charge only, They haven’t set bond on the nine murder counts.

What does it bring then?

49 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 11:38:41am

re: #44 EPR-radar

Indeed. Roof is legally an adult. Therefore his family is legally irrelevant. WTF is the judge up to with that?

In the larger picture, Roof must have learned his racism from somewhere, and family is one possibility.

I’ve been thinking that from the minute I saw the Rhodesian flag. But yeah very odd of the judge to bring up his family. He’s 21. I get that he looks “boyish” but he’s not a kid.

50 #FergusonFireside  Jun 19, 2015 11:38:42am

re: #40 Jenner7

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ugh.

Betcha not one black person in front of him. He’s a pig for being there.

51 Timothy Watson  Jun 19, 2015 11:39:11am

re: #47 The Vicious Babushka

White privilege.

No fucking way. The guy’s a future threat to the community and a flight risk because the fact he’s facing the fucking death penalty.

52 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2015 11:39:12am

What Beck is there???

And they bitch about Reverend Al showing up.

Fuck that asshole.

53 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 11:39:21am

re: #48 Nyet

What does it bring then?

Yeah I am confused here too now.

54 danarchy  Jun 19, 2015 11:39:32am

re: #31 Nyet

I don’t understand why there should be a bond at all, even $1M.
No way he should be walking free.

the bond was set as a symbolic measure only on the one count of possession of a weapon during a felony. on the 9 murder charges the judge has no authority to set bond, he was automatically going to be remanded on those charges. The whole proceeding was just weird.

55 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 11:40:05am

re: #52 ObserverArt

What Beck is there???

And they bitch about Reverend Al showing up.

Fuck that asshole.

Sharpton I would wager to bet actually knew the reverend. Beck OTOH yeah fuck that guy.

56 Dr. Matt  Jun 19, 2015 11:40:22am

re: #46 ObserverArt

They are saying the judge set the million dollar bond on a gun charge only, They haven’t set bond on the nine murder counts.

You are correct. I missed that part:

The judge did not have authority to set bond on the murder charges Roof faces, but did set bond at $1 million for his weapons charge. He will remain in custody at this time. wkrn.com

57 Nyet  Jun 19, 2015 11:40:28am

re: #54 danarchy

I don’t get the US law.
o_o

58 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 11:40:33am

Does he have a PD or private attorney defending him?

59 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2015 11:40:35am

re: #48 Nyet

What does it bring then?

I’m not quite sure. I’m thinking the prosecutor needs to set his charges and then the judge goes from there.

I don’t think he will be getting out of jail. I don’t think his folks have the bucks to get him out on bail

60 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 11:41:36am

BUT HE HAD BLACK FRIENDS ON FACEBOOK!!!!1!1!!

61 Timothy Watson  Jun 19, 2015 11:41:47am

re: #57 Nyet

I don’t get the US law.
o_o

On some charges, magistrate or magistrate judges (which aren’t usually considered to be judges) aren’t allowed to even set a bond on certain charges.

62 Nyet  Jun 19, 2015 11:41:56am

re: #60 The Vicious Babushka

BUT HE HAD BLACK FRIENDS ON FACEBOOK!!!!1!1!!

Who didn’t know him.

63 Timothy Watson  Jun 19, 2015 11:42:03am

re: #46 ObserverArt

They are saying the judge set the million dollar bond on a gun charge only, They haven’t set bond on the nine murder counts.

Okay, that makes a lot more sense.

64 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 11:42:53am

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY
Who would they be shooting?

65 Jenner7  Jun 19, 2015 11:43:39am

And we are supposed to feel sorry for his family and friends? Nope. Nope. Nope.

His roommate knew he was going to do this and you know why he didn’t tell anyone? Because he’s a racist prick himself!

Gah!

66 Nyet  Jun 19, 2015 11:43:39am

re: #64 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY
Who would they be shooting?

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Each other?

67 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 11:44:15am

Looks like Sheila is another auto-retweet bot.

68 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 11:44:32am

re: #64 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY
Who would they be shooting?

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I think they’re implying that they would be shooting Roof without trial which uh no is crap. Hell John Adams made his name defending the British soldiers accused in the Boston Massacre. The right to adequate counsel was very important to the founders. But I am not sure what this means either.

69 Jenner7  Jun 19, 2015 11:44:41am

So the 1 million bond was just for the gun charge?

70 ramex  Jun 19, 2015 11:45:05am

Holy flirking schnit! A V-22 OSPRAY just flew directly over my house. The window rattling rumble scared the bejesus out of me. I thought something big was coming down… on my home. Pulse rate returning to normal.

71 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 19, 2015 11:45:23am

officer.com is a sewer as usual…all the charm of the Gateway Pundit but with MOAR GUNZZZ!!!

forums.officer.com

Ocrappa seems to be a new epithet for the POTUS. I hadn’t seen that one before.

72 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 11:45:27am

re: #65 Jenner7

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And we are supposed to feel sorry for his family and friends? Nope. Nope. Nope.

His roommate knew he was going to do this and you know why he didn’t tell anyone? Because he’s a racist prick himself!

Gah!

Yeah I don’t feel sorry for his family. Maybe his younger siblings if he has some but mom and dad especially dad who gave him the gun knowing he was facing felony charges and knew his son was a bigot. Nope.

73 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 19, 2015 11:45:50am

re: #59 ObserverArt

I’m not quite sure. I’m thinking the prosecutor needs to set his charges and then the judge goes from there.

I don’t think he will be getting out of jail I don’t think his foiks have the bucks to get him out on bail

Gofundme?

74 Nyet  Jun 19, 2015 11:45:57am

re: #68 HappyWarrior

It’s unrelated to Roof. It’s a typical wingnut bloodthirst. Of course she means they would be shooting liberals.

75 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 11:46:02am

re: #71 Aunty Entity Dragon

officer.com is a sewer as usual…all the charm of the Gateway Pundit but with MOAR GUNZZZ!!!

forums.officer.com

Ocrappa seems to be a new epithet for the POTUS. I hadn’t seen that one before.

Ocrappa? Probably similar to CCJ thinking he was being clever and using octaroon maybe?

76 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 11:46:25am

re: #74 Nyet

It’s unrelated to Roof. It’s a typical wingnut bloodthirst. Of course he means they would be shooting liberals.

Oh. Yikes.

77 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 11:46:59am

re: #73 Aunty Entity Dragon

Gofundme?

Can’t GoFundMe someone facing felony charges anymore.

78 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jun 19, 2015 11:47:21am

re: #77 HappyWarrior

Can’t GoFundMe someone facing felony charges anymore.

Good.

79 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2015 11:47:34am

It sort of sounds like with Federal hate crime charges it takes it out of this courts realm and put the nine murders into a federal court. I think they said that will take some time, and there will be a hearing on those counts in October. With that, I don’t think he will getting out of jail with the federal charges, He is in deep shit.

He has a court ordered attorney, and she says there is no bond on the nine murder charges. He is going no where.

80 Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2015 11:48:04am

re: #70 ramex

Holy flirking schnit! A V-22 OSPRAY just flew directly over my house. The window rattling rumble scared the bejesus out of me. I thought something big was coming down… on my home. Pulse rate returning to normal.

Do you hold the No. 2 position in any organization?

81 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 19, 2015 11:48:22am

Has no one figured out if he attended any church at all? Especially in SC? This getting really bizarre.

82 EPR-radar  Jun 19, 2015 11:48:54am

re: #65 Jenner7

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And we are supposed to feel sorry for his family and friends? Nope. Nope. Nope.

His roommate knew he was going to do this and you know why he didn’t tell anyone? Because he’s a racist prick himself!

Gah!

Most likely Roof spent his entire life immersed in a thoroughly racist environment —- family, friends, etc. It isn’t that hard to do in a place like South Carolina. Now his racist associates will scurry away from their own contributions to supporting the shooter’s despicable world view.

83 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 11:49:17am

re: #81 Eric The Fruit Bat

Has no one figured out if he attended any church at all? Especially in SC? This getting really bizarre.

Haven’t heard anyone talk about him being particularly religious or not religious.

84 gwangung  Jun 19, 2015 11:49:56am

re: #65 Jenner7

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His roommate knew he was going to do this and you know why he didn’t tell anyone? Because he’s a racist prick himself!

Gah!

On the other hand, there’s a chance for redemption of the roommate.

Hope he takes it.

85 Nyet  Jun 19, 2015 11:49:58am

re: #83 HappyWarrior

If he is, it’s prolly some sort of Christian Identity.

86 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2015 11:51:20am

Oh here is a detail. South Carolina does not have hate crime charges.

Go figure.

I’m betting that is why the feds will be taking it out of the state courts.

87 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 11:51:22am

re: #85 Nyet

If he is, it’s prolly some sort of Christian Identity.

Wouldn’t shock me.

88 Jenner7  Jun 19, 2015 11:52:20am
89 Timothy Watson  Jun 19, 2015 11:52:32am

re: #79 ObserverArt

It sort of sounds like with Federal hate crime charges it takes it out of this courts realm and put the nine murders into a federal court. I think they said that will take some time, and there will be a hearing on those counts in October. With that, I don’t think he will getting out of jail with the federal charges, He is in deep shit.

He has a court ordered attorney, and she says there is no bond on the nine murder charges. He is going no where.

Only if the United States Attorney decides to file charges, they usually will wait for the state court and prosecutors to decide what they want to do.

Personally, and I’ll probably get downvotes for this, but leave it to the state, they’re more likely execute him and do it quicker than the feds.

90 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 11:52:56am

Wingnuts haz a rage that I am ruining their Jeanne Assam meme.

91 Nyet  Jun 19, 2015 11:53:22am

re: #87 HappyWarrior

Wouldn’t shock me.

Could be irreligious, of course.

92 danarchy  Jun 19, 2015 11:53:24am

re: #65 Jenner7

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And we are supposed to feel sorry for his family and friends? Nope. Nope. Nope.

His roommate knew he was going to do this and you know why he didn’t tell anyone? Because he’s a racist prick himself!

Gah!

Apparently his roommate wasn’t the only one. A quote from one of his neighbors:

Roof had a deadpan sense of humor, according to the neighbor, Christon Scriven, the New York Daily News reported. It was that sense of humor that kept Scriven from taking the threats seriously. Scriven, who is black, said that Roof had moved close to a trailer park just a couple of months ago. “He flat out told us he was going to do this stuff,” Scriven said. “He’s weird. You don’t know when to take him seriously and when not to.”

Exactly one week before the shooting, Roof said “he was looking to kill a bunch of people on Wednesday” at the College of Charleston, a state university in downtown Charleston with about 12,000 students, according to Scriven.

93 ramex  Jun 19, 2015 11:53:56am

re: #80 Decatur Deb

Oddly, yes.

94 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2015 11:54:14am

re: #89 Timothy Watson

Only if the United States Attorney decides to file charges, they usually will wait for the state court and prosecutors to decide what they want to do.

Personally, and I’ll probably get downvotes for this, but leave it to the state, they’re more likely execute him and do it quicker than the feds.

See my #86. That complicates this on a state level. The DOJ will more or less be forced to do the charges.

95 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 11:54:27am

re: #91 Nyet

Could be irreligious, of course.

Definitely possible too. I don’t think being religious or irreligious has any bearing here and I trust that we agree on that. He was clearly motivated by the fact that this was an African-American church.

96 BeenHereAwhile  Jun 19, 2015 11:54:40am

re: #32 HappyWarrior

“re: #31 Nyet

I don’t understand why there should be a bond at all, even $1M.
No way he should be walking free.”

I think they only really deny bond when they seriously worry about someone being a flight risk but my memory could be wrong. I do have to agree though.

It is surprising that bond would be set for a homicide case such as this one.

it’s been my experience that most courts deny bond for capitol murder cases, or when release of defendant would be a threat to public safety.

As to fear of flight, the court is suppose to set bond at an amount that would ensure appearance in court.

Doubt that anyone will come up with the premium to bond Dylann Root out, given restrictions of the PATRIOT act. There would be several federal agencies interested in the source of such money.

97 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 19, 2015 11:55:03am

re: #82 EPR-radar

Maybe that explains why no one has spoken about what church (if any) he attended.

98 Nyet  Jun 19, 2015 11:55:47am

re: #95 HappyWarrior

Definitely possible too. I don’t think being religious or irreligious has any bearing here and I trust that we agree on that. He was clearly motivated by the fact that this was an African-American church.

If he is, watch them spin the War against Christians angle further, despite him confessing to wanting to start a race war.

99 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 11:56:33am

re: #98 Nyet

If he is, watch them spin the War against Christians angle further, despite him confessing wanting to start a race war.

Yeah I sadly do expect that. They’re already doing that in a way.

100 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2015 11:57:13am

Prosecutor to address the press in an hour. Maybe he will clarify the murder charges.

101 Timothy Watson  Jun 19, 2015 11:57:57am

re: #94 ObserverArt

See my #86. That complicates this on a state level. The DOJ will more or less be forced to do the charges.

I think standing DOJ policy is to not file charges if the state is already filing charges, and, frankly, South Carolina is probably going to seek the death penalty, so what’s the point of the feds filing charges? At the very least, they’re wait until South Carolina concludes their case.

102 danarchy  Jun 19, 2015 11:59:00am

re: #98 Nyet

If he is, watch them spin the War against Christians angle further, despite him confessing to wanting to start a race war.

Didn’t the police put out a statement categorically denying he said anything about wanting to start a race war? Think I saw someone post it in a previuos thread.

103 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2015 11:59:28am

re: #90 The Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts haz a rage that I am ruining their Jeanne Assam meme.

Good. Keep knocking some sense into them.

Oh, wait. That may prove to be impossible. Gotta have some grey matter to knock sense into.

104 Franklin  Jun 19, 2015 11:59:58am

Not sure if this was posted already:

Great read, but also some paragraphs about the confederate flag and more:

Charleston and the Age of Obama

South Carolina has undergone enormous changes in the decades since Jim Crow, but it is hard to ignore the setting of this rampage, the atmosphere. Seven years ago, as Obama was campaigning in South Carolina, the Times columnist Bob Herbert visited the state, encountering the Confederate flag flying on the grounds of the State Capitol building and, nearby, a statue of Benjamin (Pitchfork Ben) Tillman, a Reconstruction-era governor and senator, who defended white supremacy and the lynching of African-Americans, saying, “We disenfranchised as many as we could.”

“We of the South have never recognized the right of the negro to govern white men, and we never will,” Tillman said, from the floor of the U.S. Senate. “We have never believed him to be the equal of the white man, and we will not submit to his gratifying his lust on our wives and daughters without lynching him.”

….

Nearly all of South Carolina was in mourning Thursday. Flags were at half-mast. Except the Confederate flag, of course, which flew high outside the building where Tillman still stands and the laws of the state are written.

105 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:00:27pm

Hearing that some of the murdered’s family members have said they forgive him. That takes a lot. I could never do that. And I’ll be honest as much as I oppose the DP, it would be tested there and my capacity to forgive would be for sure especially not even two days after ti happened.

106 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 19, 2015 12:00:51pm

re: #103 ObserverArt

Good. Keep knocking some sense into them.

Oh, wait. That may prove to be impossible. Gotta have some grey matter to knock sense into.

All you can do is show people outside the cult, who are too slow on the uptake to have figured it out on their own, that these wingnuts are totally delusional.

107 EPR-radar  Jun 19, 2015 12:01:11pm

re: #100 ObserverArt

Prosecutor to address the press in an hour. Maybe he will clarify the murder charges.

It should be pretty simple. Nine counts of murder one, plus assorted other charges.

108 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2015 12:01:31pm

re: #101 Timothy Watson

I think standing DOJ policy is to not file charges if the state is already filing charges, and, frankly, South Carolina is probably going to seek the death penalty, so what’s the point of the feds filing charges? At the very least, they’re wait until South Carolina concludes their case.

I don’t know law. Just an Observer.

But, wouldn’t this particular DOJ want to make this a hate law case as a demonstration.

110 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:02:42pm

re: #104 Franklin

Not sure if this was posted already:

Great read, but also some paragraphs about the confederate flag and more:

Charleston and the Age of Obama

….

Obama is a flawed President, but his sense of historical perspective is well developed. He gives every sign of believing that his most important role in the American history of race was his election in November, 2008, and, nearly as important, his reëlection, four years later. For millions of Americans, that election was an inspiration. But, for some untold number of others, it remains a source of tremendous resentment, a kind of threat that is capable, in some, of arousing the basest prejudices.
Yes, indeed.

111 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:03:14pm

I was not aware that there was a statue of Pitchfork Ben Tillman in South Carolina. Yikes.

112 EPR-radar  Jun 19, 2015 12:03:32pm

re: #108 ObserverArt

I don’t know law. Just an Observer.

But, wouldn’t this particular DOJ want to make this a hate law case as a demonstration.

I think the Feds should only step in if it looks like the state is screwing things up. Multiple state-level murder one charges are as serious as it gets.

113 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2015 12:04:41pm

Prosecutor speaking.

114 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:05:22pm

re: #112 EPR-radar

I think the Feds should only step in if it looks like the state is screwing things up. Multiple state-level murder one charges are as serious as it gets.

Inclined to agree.

115 Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2015 12:06:35pm

re: #93 ramex

Oddly, yes.

It would be polite to inform your neighbours of your 500 meter Surface Danger Zone.

116 Tigger2  Jun 19, 2015 12:07:11pm

re: #64 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY
Who would they be shooting?

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Yes they would Sheila Oxsher but they would be shooting at you idiots for trying to destroy what they started building and other great men have carried on building.

117 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:07:25pm

I’ve been reading a little about the nine victims. The youngest was a man who had just graduated from college and died apparently trying to save his aunt who was the 87 year old lady.

118 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2015 12:10:47pm

Sounds like she is saying this is a complicated case and there are still investigations going on. Therefore, she cannot say what is going to be done case wise. They don’t want to talk about it all too soon as to damage the case.

119 allegro  Jun 19, 2015 12:12:39pm

re: #101 Timothy Watson

I think standing DOJ policy is to not file charges if the state is already filing charges, and, frankly, South Carolina is probably going to seek the death penalty, so what’s the point of the feds filing charges? At the very least, they’re wait until South Carolina concludes their case.

Might it also be a double jeopardy thing? If by some chance he is aquitted of murder by the state the feds can then come in and get him on hate crimes.

120 William Lewis  Jun 19, 2015 12:16:18pm

re: #74 Nyet

It’s unrelated to Roof. It’s a typical wingnut bloodthirst. Of course she means they would be shooting liberals.

They always neglect to remember that there are more than a few, like me, who would shoot back… Stand this ground, [expletive deleted]

121 Timothy Watson  Jun 19, 2015 12:17:47pm

re: #119 allegro

Might it also be a double jeopardy thing? If by some chance he is aquitted of murder by the state the feds can then come in and get him on hate crimes.

Dual sovereignty doctrine, someone can be prosecuted in both federal and state court for the same crime without it being a violation of double jeopardy.

However, the feds usually decline to prosecute following a not guilty verdict in state court unless there’s a clear miscarriage of justice.

122 Dr. Matt  Jun 19, 2015 12:18:50pm

So, Jeanne Assam is the wing-nuts example of why guns are great but they continue to ignore the massacres, accidental shootings, suicides, and other carnage that guns are involved in. SMH

123 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:19:48pm

re: #122 Dr. Matt

So, Jeanne Assam is the wing-nuts example of why guns are great but they continue to ignore the massacres, accidental shootings, suicides, and other carnage that guns are involved in. SMH

Yeah I don’t get it.

124 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 12:19:56pm

OFFS

125 Timothy Watson  Jun 19, 2015 12:20:01pm

re: #121 Timothy Watson

For anyone interested, this covers it pretty well (make sure you check out the Petite policy section just below too):
en.wikipedia.org

126 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 19, 2015 12:20:48pm

re: #120 William Lewis

They always neglect to remember that there are more than a few, like me, who would shoot back… Stand this ground, [expletive deleted]

There are also a lot of us who can improvise weapons and explosives if right-wing maniacs attacked modern people, but I expect that the police would just put the violent wingnuts down like rabid dogs. The nice thing about civilization is that we have employees to deal with dangerous crazies, and don’t have to do it ourselves.

127 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2015 12:20:56pm

I wonder how the RWNJs would respond to a gay open carry group.

128 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:22:28pm

re: #124 The Vicious Babushka

OFFS

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Oh fuck you Bryan. Really anything to distract from the racism and guns huh fuckface.

129 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 19, 2015 12:22:35pm

Dim Jim. Still dim.

130 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 19, 2015 12:23:28pm

re: #128 HappyWarrior

Oh fuck you Bryan. Really anything to distract from the racism and guns huh fuckface.

His job is to lie to far-right-wing Christianists, whether he’s smart enough to recognize that or not.

131 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 19, 2015 12:23:55pm

re: #129 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Dim Jim. Still dim.

It’s amazing he doesn’t drown the first time he gets caught in the rain.

132 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2015 12:24:01pm

(hopefully not) Coming this fall to a theater near you…

Charles C Johnson…

Jim Hoft…

The greatest imbeciles in the world finally come together.

20th Century Fox News presents…

DIM AND DIMMER

133 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 12:24:16pm

re: #128 HappyWarrior

Oh fuck you Bryan. Really anything to distract from the racism and guns huh fuckface.

I’m waiting for Bryan to bring up Jeanne Assam, then he can be SO OWNED.

134 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:24:25pm

re: #132 Eclectic Cyborg

(hopefully not) Coming this fall to a theater near you…

Charles C Johnson…

Jim Hoft…

The greatest imbeciles in the world finally come together.

20th Century Fox News presents…

DIM AND DIMMER

You need Bryan Fischer for that.

135 Tigger2  Jun 19, 2015 12:24:34pm

re: #127 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder how the RWNJs would respond to a gay open carry group.

Lets put it this way if the AAs and Gay Americans each held an 1 mil man open carry event is Washington at the same time the Republicans would be screaming for gun control laws.

136 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 19, 2015 12:24:35pm

re: #124 The Vicious Babushka

OFFS

Because everyone who has done drugs has gone out and mass murdered.

/

137 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 19, 2015 12:25:25pm

re: #70 ramex

Holy flirking schnit! A V-22 OSPRAY just flew directly over my house. The window rattling rumble scared the bejesus out of me. I thought something big was coming down… on my home. Pulse rate returning to normal.

An Osprey? Be glad that it wasn’t coming down through your roof.

138 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:25:29pm

re: #136 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse

Because everyone who has done drugs has gone out and mass murdered.

/

Bryan probably believes Reefer Madness is a documentary. I was going to make a snarky comment about how Rush Limbaugh is a drug addict too.

139 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jun 19, 2015 12:25:49pm
Mass murdered [sic] Dylann Storm Root [sic] is sounding more and more like a typical disgruntled leftist.

Are rightists ever disgruntled, threaten to overthrow the government, stuff like that?

/

140 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2015 12:26:48pm

re: #127 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder how the RWNJs would respond to a gay open carry group.

Probably like they responded to this:

141 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 19, 2015 12:27:43pm

re: #138 HappyWarrior

Bryan probably believes Reefer Madness is a documentary. I was going to make a snarky comment about how Rush Limbaugh is a drug addict too.

The prohibitionists like to pretend that “drugs” are a monolithic thing, when really there are lots of different drugs, and it’s really just a handful of them that are terribly destructive. Opiates are some of the dangerous ones, and happen to be the class of drug that the shooter and Limbaugh got addicted to.

142 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:27:53pm

re: #140 Dr Lizardo

Probably like they responded to this:

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Which made “2nd amendment champion” Ronald Reagan into a supporter of gun control.

143 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2015 12:27:57pm

re: #132 Eclectic Cyborg

(hopefully not) Coming this fall to a theater near you…

Charles C Johnson…

Jim Hoft…

The greatest imbeciles in the world finally come together.

20th Century Fox News presents…

DIM AND DIMMER

Will they sing ‘A Total Eclipse of the Brain’?

144 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:28:25pm

re: #141 No Country For Old Haters

The prohibitionists like to pretend that “drugs” are a monolithic thing, when really there are lots of different drugs, and it’s really just a handful of them that are terribly destructive. Opiates are some of the dangerous ones, and happen to be the class of drug that the shooter and Limbaugh got addicted to.

Exactly. There’es a fine line between pot and more serious shit.

145 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 12:28:25pm

Glenn Greenwald’s media outlet is claiming that a Black man “stole” Dylann’s girlfriend

146 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:28:41pm

re: #143 Feline Fearless Leader

Will they sing ‘A Total Eclipse of the Brain’?

And I need you now more than ever.

147 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2015 12:29:19pm

re: #142 HappyWarrior

Which made “2nd amendment champion” Ronald Reagan into a supporter of gun control.

Yes it did. And I’d bet if something like that happened today, the wingnuts would suddenly transform into the biggest pro-gun control advocates in modern American history.

148 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 19, 2015 12:29:29pm
149 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:30:00pm

re: #145 The Vicious Babushka

Glenn Greenwald’s media outlet is claiming that a Black man “stole” Dylann’s girlfriend

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It wasn’t even his girlfriend, VB, it was a girl he liked. Even if it was a former girlfriend. So the fuck what.

150 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2015 12:30:14pm

re: #132 Eclectic Cyborg

(hopefully not) Coming this fall to a theater near you…

Charles C Johnson…

Jim Hoft…

The greatest imbeciles in the world finally come together.

20th Century Fox News presents…

DIM AND DIMMER

Featuring Special Guest Stars:

Glenn Beck as the Raving Freakazoid
Pamela Geller as the Shrieking Harpy
Bryan Fischer as the Ambiguously Gay Preacher
Mike Huckabee as Himself

151 OhNoZombies!  Jun 19, 2015 12:30:15pm

re: #128 HappyWarrior

Oh fuck you Bryan. Really anything to distract from the racism and guns huh fuckface.

It’s bullshit and he knows it. He’s only fooling himself and his buddies who need to sleep at night.
They know exactly what’s going on.

152 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:30:21pm

re: #148 Shiplord Kirel

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Snap into a Dim Jim.

153 danarchy  Jun 19, 2015 12:30:58pm

re: #109 Nyet

Charleston church shooting: Suspect confesses, says he sought race war

Saw that, but then I saw this:

154 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:30:59pm

re: #151 OhNoZombies!

It’s bullshit and he knows it. He’s only fooling himself and his buddies who need to sleep at night.
They know exactly what’s going on.

Right, which is why I said anything to distract. He’s a vile man.

155 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:31:36pm

First I’m hearing he was into white power music. I’m actually surprised he doesn’t have any white supremacist or white nationalist ink.

156 allegro  Jun 19, 2015 12:32:18pm

re: #153 danarchy

Saw that, but then I saw this:

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I thought that came from the roommate.

157 Tigger2  Jun 19, 2015 12:33:55pm

re: #150 Eclectic Cyborg

Featuring Special Guest Stars:

Glenn Beck as the Raving Freakazoid
Pamela Geller as the Shrieking Harpy
Bryan Fischer as the Ambiguously Gay Preacher
Mike Huckabee as Himself

I can’t believe Sarah Palin let that movie slip past her.

158 Timothy Watson  Jun 19, 2015 12:34:40pm

re: #142 HappyWarrior

Which made “2nd amendment champion” Ronald Reagan into a supporter of gun control.

Funny thing on WTOP the other day: A road construction association was running an ad urging Congress to raise the gas tax to fund transportation funding using a speech from Reagan where he supported raising the gas tax as a usage fee!

159 allegro  Jun 19, 2015 12:34:41pm

re: #157 Tigger2

I can’t believe Sarah Palin let that movie slip past her.

She’ll sing the theme song.

160 Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2015 12:34:43pm

re: #155 HappyWarrior

First I’m hearing he was into white power music. I’m actually surprised he doesn’t have any white supremacist or white nationalist ink.

That was my thought, this guy seems a little less dedicated to the cause than most skinheads I see.

161 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:34:45pm

re: #157 Tigger2

I can’t believe Sarah Palin let that movie slip past her.

She was holding out for 500% of the film’s gross.

162 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2015 12:35:01pm

re: #155 HappyWarrior

First I’m hearing he was into white power music. I’m actually surprised he doesn’t have any white supremacist or white nationalist ink.

I only ever heard one white power band, years and years and year ago, Skrewdriver.

163 allegro  Jun 19, 2015 12:35:09pm

re: #159 allegro

She’ll sing the theme song.

No wait… she’ll rap the theme song. :)

164 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:35:12pm

re: #158 Timothy Watson

Funny thing on WTOP the other day: A road construction association was running an ad urging Congress to raise the gas tax to fund transportation funding using a speech from Reagan where he supported raising the gas tax as a usage fee!

Heh.

165 Nyet  Jun 19, 2015 12:36:01pm

re: #153 danarchy

Weird.

166 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:36:05pm

re: #162 Dr Lizardo

I only ever heard one white power band, years and years and year ago, Skrewdriver.

Don’t know if I’ve ever heard any. I am not that into metal which is the medium most of them use but there are white power sub-gebres for most ever music type.

167 goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2015 12:36:31pm
168 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2015 12:36:54pm

re: #157 Tigger2

I can’t believe Sarah Palin let that movie slip past her.

She has a cameo as a poet in a beatnik cafe.

/

169 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:37:10pm

re: #167 goddamnedfrank

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170 Dr. Matt  Jun 19, 2015 12:37:51pm

Speaking of Silly Sarah, has she chimed in yet to blame Obama for the shooting?

171 Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2015 12:37:59pm

re: #168 Eclectic Cyborg

She has a cameo as a poet in a beatnik cafe.

/

That’s not cool, man, not cool.

172 danarchy  Jun 19, 2015 12:38:02pm

re: #165 Nyet

Weird.

I think he did tell his roommate he wanted to start a civil war, but that isn’t quite the same thing as confessing to police.

173 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:38:37pm

re: #170 Dr. Matt

Speaking of Silly Sarah, has she chimed in yet to blame Obama for the shooting?

Fortunately I have not seen any word from her yet but i expect it’s coming and I expect it to have that. I’m hoping when she chimes in, it’s next week when I am out of town for a few days.

174 Romantic Heretic  Jun 19, 2015 12:38:43pm

re: #141 No Country For Old Haters

The prohibitionists like to pretend that “drugs” are a monolithic thing, when really there are lots of different drugs, and it’s really just a handful of them that are terribly destructive. Opiates are some of the dangerous ones, and happen to be the class of drug that the shooter and Limbaugh got addicted to.

My thought is considering where Roof lived I think it likely that the drug was hillbilly heroin. Meth, that is.

175 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 19, 2015 12:38:44pm

re: #162 Dr Lizardo

I only ever heard one white power band, years and years and year ago, Skrewdriver.

I’ve only heard something from those blonde, blue-eyed, little girls, that I believe gave up the racism when they grew up some. Can’t remember the band name at the moment, and I’m OK with that.

176 OhNoZombies!  Jun 19, 2015 12:38:46pm

re: #160 Targetpractice

That was my thought, this guy seems a little less dedicated to the cause than most skinheads I see.

He seems more dedicated to me. He just wanted to make himself hard to categorize to the general public. Hence, tacking racist symbols to his clothes that aren’t readily recognized, or making racist jokes that weren’t really jokes…
Evil fuck.

177 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2015 12:39:23pm

re: #175 No Country For Old Haters

I’ve only heard something from those blonde, blue-eyed, little girls, that I believe gave up the racism when they grew up some. Can’t remember the band name at the moment, and I’m OK with that.

Probably something like “Prussian Blue”.
:p

178 bratwurst  Jun 19, 2015 12:39:41pm

I would have given anything to be a fly on the wall in the meeting where Jeb’s handlers told him how to handle “the racism thing” in Charleston.

179 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 19, 2015 12:39:54pm

re: #174 Romantic Heretic

My thought is considering where Roof lived I think it likely that the drug was hillbilly heroin. Meth, that is.

He had been caught with a drug that’s used to treat opiate addiction, but I wouldn’t be surprised if meth is in the mix. I believe Oxycontin is hillbilly heroin, isn’t it?

180 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 19, 2015 12:40:03pm

re: #177 Feline Fearless Leader

Probably something like “Prussian Blue”.
:p

Yes!

181 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:40:19pm

re: #176 OhNoZombies!

He seems more dedicated to me. He just wanted to make himself hard to categorize to the general public. Hence, tacking racist symbols to his clothes that aren’t readily recognized, or making racist jokes that weren’t really jokes…
Evil fuck.

Yeah and he could be squemish at tattoos. He’s definitely dedicated. Just a different flavor of racist fuck.

182 Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2015 12:40:30pm

re: #177 Feline Fearless Leader

Probably something like “Prussian Blue”.
:p

It was Prussian Blue. They were just born a couple tokes behind.

183 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 19, 2015 12:40:44pm

re: #169 HappyWarrior

It’s a show about NOTHING.

184 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:41:08pm

re: #177 Feline Fearless Leader

Probably something like “Prussian Blue”.
:p

Speaking of those two, those two apparently have gotten over much of the hatred put in them by their twisted mother and stepfather and they attribute pot to getting rid of a lot of it. So eat that Bryan Fischer.

185 Skip Intro  Jun 19, 2015 12:41:48pm

For the millionth time, how can anybody vote for these assholes?

Repeal of health law would drive up deficit by $137 billion

WASHINGTON — Repealing the Affordable Care Act, as many congressional Republicans still pledge to do, would drive up the deficit by $137 billion over the next decade, according to a new report from the independent Congressional Budget Office, which for the first time employed an estimating method that Republicans have pushed for.

And of course there’s this.

Repeal also would leave an additional 24 million people without health coverage by 2020, the report projects.

Not that any Republican could give a shit.
sanluisobispo.com

186 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:41:49pm

It was definitely Prussian Blue.

187 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2015 12:41:59pm

re: #175 No Country For Old Haters

I’ve only heard something from those blonde, blue-eyed, little girls, that I believe gave up the racism when they grew up some. Can’t remember the band name at the moment, and I’m OK with that.

Skrewdriver is considered pretty much legendary on the white-power music scene. I even have to say that Ian Stuart - the chief songwriter - was a genuinely talented musician within the punk genre (which was they started off as back in ‘79).

The lyrics are reprehensible - but the music is solid, thus making it frighteningly seductive.

188 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:42:10pm

re: #185 Skip Intro

For the millionth time, how can anybody vote for these assholes?

Repeal of health law would drive up deficit by $137 billion

sanluisobispo.com

So Republicans how are you the fiscally conservative party again? ///

189 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:42:57pm

Fortunately folk is pretty lefty but I am sure there is definitely a racist subculture in the folk industry somewhere.

190 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:43:29pm

re: #187 Dr Lizardo

Skrewdriver is considered pretty much legendary on the white-power music scene. I even have to say that Ian Stuart - the chief songwriter - was a genuinely talented musician within the punk genre (which was they started off as back in ‘79).

The lyrics are reprehensible - but the music is solid, thus making it frighteningly seductive.

Sucks to see talent wasted on hate.

191 Nyet  Jun 19, 2015 12:43:47pm

re: #186 HappyWarrior

It was definitely Prussian Blue.

Are you sure it wasn’t Russian Red?

192 Jenner7  Jun 19, 2015 12:43:49pm
193 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2015 12:43:55pm

re: #190 HappyWarrior

Sucks to see talent wasted on hate.

Yep. It’s a damn shame.

194 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:44:50pm

re: #191 Nyet

Are you sure it wasn’t Russian Red?

Wise guy.

195 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 19, 2015 12:44:51pm

re: #184 HappyWarrior

Speaking of those two, those two apparently have gotten over much of the hatred put in them by their twisted mother and stepfather and they attribute pot to getting rid of a lot of it. So eat that Bryan Fischer.

I don’t think that pot ever taught me that my beliefs were stupid and needed revision, but LSD sure did.

196 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:46:05pm

re: #195 No Country For Old Haters

I don’t think that pot ever taught me that my beliefs were stupid and needed revision, but LSD sure did.

It’s helped my sense of humor. // But seriously whatever worked for those two. I think I did read about Don Black of Stormfront infamy, his son allegedly wised up when he attended college a little. Not positive about that though.

197 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2015 12:46:15pm

re: #194 HappyWarrior

Wise guy.

How about Crimson Dynamo?
:)

198 allegro  Jun 19, 2015 12:48:19pm

re: #195 No Country For Old Haters

I don’t think that pot ever taught me that my beliefs were stupid and needed revision, but LSD sure did.

Heh, I had the exact same thought. Pot has given a lot of good nights of sleep and excellent laughs though.

199 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:49:15pm

re: #198 allegro

Heh, I had the exact same thought. Pot has given a lot of good nights of sleep and excellent laughs though.

It makes Family Guy, It’s Always Sunny, etc so much more enjoyable. I mean enjoy those when I am not high too but while high just another layer.

200 bratwurst  Jun 19, 2015 12:49:49pm

It works alright.

201 Jenner7  Jun 19, 2015 12:50:46pm

re: #200 bratwurst

Gross.

202 Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2015 12:50:57pm

re: #200 bratwurst

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It works alright.

Graham should run for President of the Confederacy. There’s an opening.

203 Skip Intro  Jun 19, 2015 12:51:07pm

re: #200 bratwurst

The Confederate States of Racists.

204 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2015 12:51:29pm

re: #196 HappyWarrior

It’s helped my sense of humor. // But seriously whatever worked for those two. I think I did read about Don Black of Stormfront infamy, his son allegedly wised up when he attended college a little. Not positive about that though.

I had a half a hit of LSD once and I laughed so hard all night my abs were sore the next day, so I guess it helped my sense of humor too, at least on that occasion. Also I was at the house of a very funny guy (in San Francisco, which makes sense somehow.)

205 Nyet  Jun 19, 2015 12:51:37pm
“The flag represents to some people a civil war, and that was the symbol of one side. To others it’s a racist symbol, and it’s been used by people, it’s been used in a racist way,” Graham said.

Show me one time it hasn’t been used in a racist way.

206 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:51:47pm

re: #202 Decatur Deb

Graham should run for President of the Confederacy. There’s an opening.

Is the honorable Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III planning to step down from his post?

207 subterraneanhomesickalien  Jun 19, 2015 12:51:48pm

re: #200 bratwurst

Makes sense that blood thirsty little closet case would say that. Gotta tow the company line otherwise they may stop overlooking that little gay “problem” he has(allegedly).

208 #FergusonFireside  Jun 19, 2015 12:52:02pm

re: #200 bratwurst

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It works alright.

They are so racist that they don’t even recognize it.

209 Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2015 12:52:07pm

re: #200 bratwurst

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It works alright.

Well hey, he’s not wrong, it helps to identify the states that have yet to get over the fact that they fought a war over keeping millions of people in bondage and lost.

210 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:52:30pm

re: #205 Nyet

Show me one time it hasn’t been used in a racist way.

He’s such a hack.

211 goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2015 12:52:45pm

re: #145 The Vicious Babushka

Glenn Greenwald’s media outlet is claiming that a Black man “stole” Dylann’s girlfriend

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212 Nyet  Jun 19, 2015 12:53:05pm

re: #209 Targetpractice

Well hey, he’s not wrong, it helps to identify the states that have yet to get over the fact that they fought a war over keeping millions of people in bondage and lost.

Sore losers!

213 Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2015 12:53:16pm

“… but this is part of who we are,..”

Yes it is, Mr Graham, yes it is.

214 allegro  Jun 19, 2015 12:53:16pm

re: #200 bratwurst

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It works alright.

That’s quite a statement less than 48 hours after the massacre of 9 black people in a church by a white guy spewing racist memes. Horrifyingly revealing.

215 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:53:37pm

re: #209 Targetpractice

Well hey, he’s not wrong, it helps to identify the states that have yet to get over the fact that they fought a war over keeping millions of people in bondage and lost.

I am glad we don’t celebrate Lee-Jackson-King day anymore. That’s embarrassing. Granted the Lee and Jackson part was never heavily emphasized much where I live but I guarantee it was in more conservative parts of the state.

216 subterraneanhomesickalien  Jun 19, 2015 12:54:17pm

re: #205 Nyet

Show me one time it hasn’t been used in a racist way.

Somehow I always knew that the fucking redneck pieces of shit that used to have the stars and bars on the back of their pickup cab at my high school were probably not doing it because it matched the paint, or as a tribute to the fine fellas that died for a bunch of inhuman aristocrats 150 years ago.

217 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:54:19pm

re: #212 Nyet

Sore losers!

Sore Loserman but we’re still not over that war that we lost to protect our right to enslave people.

218 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 12:55:07pm

re: #214 allegro

That’s quite a statement less than 48 hours after the massacre of 9 black people in a church by a white guy spewing racist memes. Horrifyingly revealing.

But he’s a “good egg” and if he weren’t there someone even more extreme would be there so Lindsay has to talk this way so that doesn’t happen. //

219 Nyet  Jun 19, 2015 12:58:01pm

Heh, it’s an old joke but sorta describes things as they are now.

- Daddy, vodka prices are higher than ever, will you be drinking less now?

- No, son, you’ll be eating less now.

220 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2015 1:01:38pm

re: #174 Romantic Heretic

My thought is considering where Roof lived I think it likely that the drug was hillbilly heroin. Meth, that is.

The drug charge that he is still awaiting trial is for “illegal possession of prescription pain medication”. So, Oxy or Percocet.

221 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 1:03:12pm

re: #220 Backwoods_Sleuth

The drug charge that he is still awaiting trial is for “illegal possession of prescription pain medication”. So, Oxy or Percocet.

So he’s like Rush then.

222 Decatur Deb  Jun 19, 2015 1:04:02pm

If they ever got their race war, the Militia doofs would get to meet some people who call themselves “The All-Americans”. They’re a rather diverse bunch.

Command Sgt. Maj. Thomas Capel, Lt. Gen. Lloyd Austin and Maj. Gen. Curtis Scaparrotti finish inspecting the troops during the 82nd Airborne Division Assumption of Command Ceremony at Fort Bragg on October 1. (Andrew Craft / The Fayetteville Observer via AP)

223 subterraneanhomesickalien  Jun 19, 2015 1:04:51pm

re: #220 Backwoods_Sleuth

I just stopped taking Percocet for my knee and am just on plain old NSAIDS now.

I’ve never really gotten the appeal of Opiates. Then again the pain I had after surgery wasn’t really that bad. And I’m really not the personality type that would turn me into a pillpopper.

224 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2015 1:05:07pm

re: #200 bratwurst

That rag is a symbol of treason against the United States of America. It is a symbol of division, of separatism and of white supremacy.

Imagine if the Germans flew the Nazi hakenkreuz flag in front of the Bundestag, claiming “Oh, but it’s just a part of our heritage”; the world would be outraged, and justifiably so.

Some people - like Senator Graham - are either wilfully ignorant or are so blinded by “lost cause” romanticism that they fail to see what’s in front of their very eyes.

Sickening.

225 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2015 1:05:23pm

re: #221 HappyWarrior

So he’s like Rush then.

In more ways than one.

226 Charles Johnson  Jun 19, 2015 1:06:06pm

JACKED UP BEES

227 calochortus  Jun 19, 2015 1:06:26pm

re: #223 subterraneanhomesickalien

I just stopped taking Percocet for my knee and am just on plain old NSAIDS now.

I’ve never really gotten the appeal of Opiates. Then again the pain I had after surgery wasn’t really that bad. And I’m really not the personality type that would turn me into a pillpopper.

Opiates make me severely nauseated and make my head feel like it’s stuffed full of cotton. Whee.
Apparently other people have a different reaction.

228 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 1:06:26pm

re: #225 wrenchwench

In more ways than one.

Yep.

229 goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2015 1:06:37pm
230 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 1:06:54pm

re: #224 Dr Lizardo

That rag is a symbol of treason against the United States of America. It is a symbol of division, of separatism and of white supremacy.

Imagine if the Germans flew the Nazi hakenkreuz flag in front of the Bundestag, claiming “Oh, but it’s just a part of our heritage”; the world would be outraged, and justifiably so.

Some people - like Senator Graham - are either wilfully ignorant or are so blinded by “lost cause” romanticism that they fail to see what’s in front of their very eyes.

Sickening.

Exactly.

231 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 19, 2015 1:06:55pm

re: #208 #FergusonFireside

They are all surrounded by one another. To them it’s just a part of every day life and not wrong.

Like an American Idol contestant that’s only sung for their mom, and they think they’ll be a star. Until people outside of their bubble hear them and…

232 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 1:07:23pm

re: #229 goddamnedfrank

Jeb Bush Doesn’t Wanna Believe Racist Murderer Is Racist, And You Can’t Make Him

A State Fair Blue Ribbon winning pile of bullshit.

Fuck Jeb Bush.

233 calochortus  Jun 19, 2015 1:09:26pm

So, assuming this guy did think he was going to spark a second Civil War or a race war or something, why did he think this would do it? Song, story, and actual history are full of cases where someone thought they were going to trigger something through their bold actions…and nothing happened.

234 Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2015 1:09:31pm

re: #224 Dr Lizardo

That rag is a symbol of treason against the United States of America. It is a symbol of division, of separatism and of white supremacy.

Imagine if the Germans flew the Nazi hakenkreuz flag in front of the Bundestag, claiming “Oh, but it’s just a part of our heritage”; the world would be outraged, and justifiably so.

Some people - like Senator Graham - are either wilfully ignorant or are so blinded by “lost cause” romanticism that they fail to see what’s in front of their very eyes.

Sickening.

The distinction is that the Germans had good sense, after getting their asses kicked and then occupied, to accept de-Nazification and outlaw any symbols of that evil regime. By contrast, the South never had it properly beaten into their heads that their beliefs were wrong and so have gone forward with a wounded pride that can apparently only be salved by arguing that they didn’t really lose.

235 subterraneanhomesickalien  Jun 19, 2015 1:10:25pm

re: #227 calochortus

I had a bit of a floating feeling, and that’s about it.

And I did notice that the effectiveness went way down after the first couple of days. Which is one of the reasons I stopped taking them.

236 Tigger2  Jun 19, 2015 1:10:44pm

re: #200 bratwurst

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It works alright.

It might work for ya Graham but as far as I’m concerned it’s still a flag of Treason and Racism.

237 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 1:11:53pm

re: #233 calochortus

So, assuming this guy did think he was going to spark a second Civil War or a race war or something, why did he think this would do it? Song, story, and actual history are full of cases where someone thought they were going to trigger something through their bold actions…and nothing happened.

Perhaps he thought this would inspire other whites to “rise up.”

238 calochortus  Jun 19, 2015 1:12:30pm

re: #235 subterraneanhomesickalien

I had a bit of a floating feeling, and that’s about it.

And I did notice that the effectiveness went way down after the first couple of days. Which is one of the reasons I stopped taking them.

With my knee replacement, after I got out of the hospital I ditched the opiates. Extra strength Tylenol and ice packs were enough. Thank heavens.

239 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 1:12:36pm

re: #234 Targetpractice

The distinction is that the Germans had good sense, after getting their asses kicked and then occupied, to accept de-Nazification and outlaw any symbols of that evil regime. By contrast, the South never had it properly beaten into their heads that their beliefs were wrong and so have gone forward with a wounded pride that can apparently only be salved by arguing that they didn’t really lose.

The biggest mistake made was ending Reconstruction in 1876.

240 calochortus  Jun 19, 2015 1:14:07pm

re: #237 HappyWarrior

Perhaps he thought this would inspire other whites to “rise up.”

Or the Blacks to retaliate against all Whites. I get that-but there seem to be far, far more examples of it failing to work than the desired effect.

241 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2015 1:15:25pm

re: #234 Targetpractice

The distinction is that the Germans had good sense, after getting their asses kicked and then occupied, to accept de-Nazification and outlaw any symbols of that evil regime. By contrast, the South never had it properly beaten into their heads that their beliefs were wrong and so have gone forward with a wounded pride that can apparently only be salved by arguing that they didn’t really lose.

Maybe if they’d be “de-Southernized” - analogous to de-Nazification in post-WWII Germany - for a couple of decades after the end of the Civil War, things today might be different.

But that’s just speculation.

242 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2015 1:15:49pm

re: #234 Targetpractice

The distinction is that the Germans had good sense, after getting their asses kicked and then occupied, to accept de-Nazification and outlaw any symbols of that evil regime. By contrast, the South never had it properly beaten into their heads that their beliefs were wrong and so have gone forward with a wounded pride that can apparently only be salved by arguing that they didn’t really lose.

Twenty years later a bunch of the same leaders were back in control and instituting Jim Crow and justifying themselves via the Lost Cause Mythology. The racist attitude is also not solely stuck in The South. It’s just that the war’s symbols gave them some obvious rallying points. Which they immediately went to when things got real with the Civil Rights Movement and federally driven desegregation got going in the 50s and 60s. Thus the state flags suddenly starting to acquire that symbolism in that time period as a reaction and way to thumb their noses at the oncoming changes they were going to heavily resist.

243 Nyet  Jun 19, 2015 1:16:35pm
My Visit to a German Heritage Society

Recently I went to a German Heritage society meeting. The prospect of German beer, sausages, and sauerkraut, some of my gastronomic favorites too good to resist.

However, when I got there, I was somewhat apprehensive to see many Swastikas. A German Heritage Society member, spying my unease came up speak to me. He told me that his society was not anti­Semitic, and its slogan was “Heritage Not Hate.” I pointed out the Swastikas which festooned the room on banners and flags and mentioned gently that it was the symbol used by Adolf Hilter and his Nazi’s.

He told me that that was 40 years ago and that’s not what it meant to him. He also went on a long explanation that the Swastika had an origin going thousands of years. It was in Greek art, “I liked Greek art, didn’t I, he asked. I had to admit that I did like Greek art and was a student of classical history. Also, I had nothing against Indian art which made use of the symbol.
He said that anti­German people are trying to distort the meaning of the Swastika. Then he said, solemnly, referring to the Neo-Nazi’s, “We should have never let those people distort the meaning of the symbol.”

While I was there I did see some T­shirts which had a fairly frank expression of anti-Semitism. I was told that they didn’t suppress individual members beliefs, but that it wasn’t the official view of the organization.

Then came out their star speaker, a Jewish member of their organization, who they seemed very proud of and he was brought to talk to me.

He said that the American Flag and the British flag flew over anti-Semitism also, and he asked, “Was I against the American flag or a British flag.” Well I rather like the American flag, and have no thoughts about the British. I was also told there was a lot of Anti-Semitism in France, Britain, and the United States in the 1930’s and 1940’s. Probably there were many anti-Semitic persons in the American army in World War II. I had to admit that was true. “In fact, he pointed out there is anti-Semitism today. Yes, I had to admit that also. He then proceeded to tell me of various violent acts committed against Jewish persons in America in the last 100 years. He then discussed how anti-Semitism was manifest in much of the history of Western Civilization. “Why,” he cried out, “Was Germany singled out for criticism.?”

He then proceed to denounce those criticizing the Swastika as hypocrites and persons trying to tear down Germany with guilt and who really had some other agenda.

He then proceeded to say that if we were against the Swastika, we would have to be against Shakespeare. Wasn’t he anti-Semitic?

Well, what do you think? I am still not comfortable with the Swastika. Am I anti­German?

web.archive.org

244 Tigger2  Jun 19, 2015 1:17:16pm

re: #237 HappyWarrior

Perhaps he thought this would inspire other whites to “rise up.”

I really don’t think these loons that want to start a race war take into account all the battle tested and armed street gangs in America. Not being a smart-ass but it’s a fact.
And they also forget the fact that all white people will not support their stupidly.

245 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2015 1:18:48pm

re: #237 HappyWarrior

Perhaps he thought this would inspire other whites to “rise up.”

According to some it appears the goal was to get all Christians to rise up and retaliate by killing all white male 21-year-olds. Or something like that.
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246 allegro  Jun 19, 2015 1:22:22pm

re: #237 HappyWarrior

Perhaps he thought this would inspire other whites to “rise up.”

He probably thought the black community would retaliate against white people in general to make white people fight back and… escalation.

That the black families “retaliated” with peaceful forgiveness and, I hope, most of the white community joined hands in grief with them is pretty much the ultimate fuck you.

247 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 1:23:18pm

re: #246 allegro

He probably thought the black community would retaliate against white people in general to make white people fight back and… escalation.

That the black families “retaliated” with peaceful forgiveness and, I hope, most of the white community joined hands in grief with them is pretty much the ultimate fuck you.

I saw that they forgave him. Wow. I don’t think I could be that way especially this quickly after the fact. Some real gentle people in that congregation.

248 EPR-radar  Jun 19, 2015 1:23:27pm

re: #214 allegro

That’s quite a statement less than 48 hours after the massacre of 9 black people in a church by a white guy spewing racist memes. Horrifyingly revealing.

Lindsey Graham knows what it takes to get elected to statewide office in SC. In other words, a Confederate dog whistle from time to time.

249 Charles Johnson  Jun 19, 2015 1:23:31pm

Latest beta version of the homepage reboot:

littlegreenfootballs.com

Images now fill the entire area with no borders, and the top post has an extra large image.

250 team_fukit  Jun 19, 2015 1:23:51pm

Did anyone notice that Storm’s license tag was “LGF”?

Definitely a leftist

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251 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 1:23:53pm

re: #150 Eclectic Cyborg

Featuring Special Guest Stars:

Glenn Beck as the Raving Freakazoid
Pamela Geller as the Shrieking Harpy
Bryan Fischer as the Ambiguously Gay Preacher
Mike Huckabee as Himself

And a cast of thousands… as the Duggars…

252 Charles Johnson  Jun 19, 2015 1:24:50pm

re: #249 Charles Johnson

This is getting really close to being ready to spring on the world.

253 mr.fusion  Jun 19, 2015 1:25:31pm

And now Rick Perry describes the shooting (and all other mass murders) as an “accident.”

“This is the (modus operandi) of this administration, any time there is an accident like this,” Perry said. “The president is clear, he doesn’t like for Americans to have guns and so he uses every opportunity, this being another one, to basically go parrot that message.”

What. The. Actual. Fuck.

254 mr.fusion  Jun 19, 2015 1:25:57pm

re: #252 Charles Johnson

This is getting really close to being ready to spring on the world.

It looks awesome…..nicely done

255 subterraneanhomesickalien  Jun 19, 2015 1:28:04pm

re: #253 mr.fusion

You would think saying stupid shit like that would make him completely irelevant as a candidate for president in a country with a two party dominated republican system.

Nope one of these idiots will have at least a 50/50 shot at being the leader of the free world in a year and a half.

256 EPR-radar  Jun 19, 2015 1:28:15pm

re: #234 Targetpractice

The distinction is that the Germans had good sense, after getting their asses kicked and then occupied, to accept de-Nazification and outlaw any symbols of that evil regime. By contrast, the South never had it properly beaten into their heads that their beliefs were wrong and so have gone forward with a wounded pride that can apparently only be salved by arguing that they didn’t really lose.

It also has to be noted that the censorship part of de-Nazification in Germany would be completely impossible in the US because of first amendment protections. I used to think that was a simple case of Germany being wrong, but now I’m ambivalent.

257 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2015 1:28:40pm

re: #253 mr.fusion

And now Rick Perry describes the shooting (and all other mass murders) as an “accident.”

What. The. Actual. Fuck.

Yeah…..”Oops”. ////

O_O

258 Nyet  Jun 19, 2015 1:30:04pm

re: #256 EPR-radar

I’m for free speech, and yet I think that Germany is largely right (with certain exceptions).

259 allegro  Jun 19, 2015 1:31:32pm

re: #253 mr.fusion

And now Rick Perry describes the shooting (and all other mass murders) as an “accident.”

What. The. Actual. Fuck.

FFS. Goes to a prayer meeting and… oops. 9 people dead after repeatedly reloading his gun. Accident. Un-freaking-real.

260 EPR-radar  Jun 19, 2015 1:32:39pm

re: #253 mr.fusion

Any honest appraisal of this shooting includes the simple observation that extreme right wing ideology was important to the shooter, and is overwhelmingly likely to be the motive for the murders.

Since uncomfortable facts are to be avoided by conservatives at all costs, this is naturally passed off as “an accident”.

Funny that I’ve never heard of the Nixon/Atwater approach referred to as “the Southern Accident”.

261 dholmes32  Jun 19, 2015 1:33:21pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

If he were younger, I’d say he was one of the Children of the Corn.

262 Nyet  Jun 19, 2015 1:34:18pm

re: #261 dholmes32

If he were younger, I’d say he was one of the Children of the Corn.

Or one of the village of the damned.

263 b.d.  Jun 19, 2015 1:35:10pm

re: #149 HappyWarrior

It wasn’t even his girlfriend, VB, it was a girl he liked. Even if it was a former girlfriend. So the fuck what.

Interesting to see Greenwald’s paranoid rag start doing the tabloid journalism Glenn claims to loathe.

Didn’t they run off a writer who did a popular mainstream story that got more hits than their usual ant-government boogeyman screeds?

264 goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2015 1:36:04pm
265 EPR-radar  Jun 19, 2015 1:39:35pm

re: #264 goddamnedfrank

I suspect it will be a very long time until “stochastic terrorism” is mentioned by the MSM.

Probably because they would have to confront the fact that some of their colleagues (e.g., at Fox News) are practitioners of it.

266 Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 19, 2015 1:40:19pm

re: #264 goddamnedfrank

It’s a bit like a gun disavowing all knowledge of or motivations for the bullet it just fired. If an inanimate object could hold such leanings.

267 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2015 1:41:09pm
268 Ace-o-aces  Jun 19, 2015 1:41:10pm

From the department of, “because of course he did”….

269 Jenner7  Jun 19, 2015 1:41:47pm

We are told by the right that if we bring up stronger gun control, we are politicizing tragedy. But how about when they argue more guns? Is that not the same?

A guest on Hannity said that we don’t need less guns, we need to stop teaching hatred. But they don’t want to talk about that either! They can’t even acknowledge or say it out loud that Roof was a racist and this was motivated by hate.

I mean it, do they ever really listen to themselves?!?

270 Tigger2  Jun 19, 2015 1:44:26pm

re: #265 EPR-radar

I suspect it will be a very long time until “stochastic terrorism” is mentioned by the MSM.

Probably because they would have to confront the fact that some of their colleagues (e.g., at Fox News) are practitioners of it.

I wish the MSM would just report the factual news the way they used to instead of reporting the news the way they want it to be like they do now.

271 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2015 1:45:39pm
272 Great White Snark  Jun 19, 2015 1:47:29pm

Drive by…

A flag burning has been scheduled and I want to be there with a Bic lighter. It’s the Confederate flag. Okay kidding not aware of any such event. What a perfect protest that would be at this time.

273 EPR-radar  Jun 19, 2015 1:47:46pm

Here’s a brilliant comment from a NYT commenter dailykos.com

Gfagan PA 10 hours ago
I am Irish. For many years in my native land the Rev. Ian Paisley spouted bigoted hatred about Catholics in Northern Ireland, but then claimed innocence when some militant sectarian group massacred Catholics. Speech was not murder, he said. He would never condone killing, he said. Then he went right back to feeding the attitudes that spawned the killing. Few were fooled.

We should not be fooled in America today.

In this country the “mainstream” right-wing has made an industry of demonizing African-Americans as “thugs” and criminals - just look at the divergence in tone between the recent coverage of Ferguson or Baltimore and the (mostly white) biker massacre in Waco, TX. For decades, white America has been told that black Americans are lazy leeches, dependent on hand-outs funded by your hard-earned taxes to bankroll their immoral lifestyles.

The first black president was greeted by the right not only with diehard obstructionism but a chorus of color-coded abuse (“lazy,” “food-stamp president” etc) and questions about his very American-ness: he was “not one of us,” a foreigner adhering to a foreign religion who has no right to be president.

The siren song of racial hate relentlessly put out by the “mainstream” right finds echo in the gunshots that rang out in Charleston.

Rightists will, of course, deny the connection, the way Paisley did. But we are not fooled.

274 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 1:49:53pm

I fixed that Jeanne Assam meme

275 Timothy Watson  Jun 19, 2015 1:51:00pm

re: #274 The Vicious Babushka

I fixed that Jeanne Assam meme

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If she was a security guard, the gun probably wasn’t even concealed either.

276 allegro  Jun 19, 2015 1:51:27pm

Just got another call from the fake process server who I mentioned last night. I was going to just let it go but decided to have some fun instead. It went like this:

Her: we talked yesterday, did you call the number?
Me: who are you with? What company?
Her: missouri city county process server
Me: city or county? Can’t be both
Her: stutter… did you call?
Me: I googled the number to see that it is a scam and attempted extortion. I then made a report to the FTC. Would you like to try again to identify yourself?
Her: *click*

That was kinda fun.

277 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2015 1:52:07pm

re: #249 Charles Johnson

Latest beta version of the homepage reboot:

littlegreenfootballs.com

Images now fill the entire area with no borders, and the top post has an extra large image.

Can you start writing about better looking people? Or kittehs?

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278 goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2015 1:52:58pm

But he didn’t, because he had a head full of lynch language.

279 goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2015 1:56:30pm
280 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2015 1:57:13pm
281 Ace-o-aces  Jun 19, 2015 2:00:36pm

Here’s how Erick Erickson ends his latest post about the Charleston shooting:

A society that looks at a 65 year old male Olympian and, with a straight face, declares him a her and “a new normal” cannot have a conversation about mental health or evil because that society no longer distinguishes normal from crazy and evil from good. Our American society has a mental illness — overwhelming narcissism and delusion — and so cannot recognize what crazy or evil looks like.

282 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2015 2:03:35pm
283 Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2015 2:05:08pm

re: #280 wrenchwench

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It’s like after the Loughner shooting, they want to convince themselves that there’s absolutely no negative consequences to the steaming piles of shit that issue forth from their gobs. They want to believe that when they tell people the country’s going to hell, it’s all because of minorities, and a race war is inevitable, nobody is listening and thinking to themselves that the answer is to kill the minorities before that race war begins.

It’s rather like they were quick to disavow Tim McVeigh after years of screeching endlessly about how “evil” the federal government is.

284 Great White Snark  Jun 19, 2015 2:06:00pm

re: #249 Charles Johnson

Latest beta version of the homepage reboot:

littlegreenfootballs.com

Images now fill the entire area with no borders, and the top post has an extra large image.

Wow that looks good. Excellent update. Looks crisp and clean.

285 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2015 2:11:17pm

Someone posted this FOP letter somewhere downstairs earlier (sorry, I can’t find the comment to give a h/t)):

Lots of backlash:

then, this:

286 allegro  Jun 19, 2015 2:11:57pm

re: #284 Great White Snark

Wow that looks good. Excellent update. Looks crisp and clean.

Looks great on my little kindle fire too. :)

287 Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2015 2:12:29pm

re: #285 Backwoods_Sleuth

Someone posted this FOP letter somewhere downstairs earlier (sorry, I can’t find the comment to give a h/t)):

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Imagine for a second how the wingnuts would respond if a teacher’s union issued such a letter.

288 Tigger2  Jun 19, 2015 2:16:35pm

re: #282 wrenchwench

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Dogs having a ball.

289 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2015 2:18:50pm
290 Nyet  Jun 19, 2015 2:20:04pm

re: #284 Great White Snark

10 times more elegant than Wonkette’s FP, which looks like one of those clickbait sites.

291 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2015 2:21:32pm

re: #285 Backwoods_Sleuth

292 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2015 2:22:47pm

re: #291 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This is still up:

293 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 19, 2015 2:23:06pm

re: #278 goddamnedfrank

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But he didn’t, because he had a head full of lynch language.

294 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2015 2:23:51pm

re: #292 wrenchwench

This is still up:

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Link is dead, though.

295 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 2:23:53pm
296 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2015 2:24:49pm
297 b_sharp  Jun 19, 2015 2:25:55pm

re: #290 Nyet

10 times more elegant than Wonkette’s FP, which looks like one of those clickbait sites.

We should have our own lists.

“The Ten Stupidest Wingnuts on Twitter”

“The One Weird Fact Chuck C Johnson Doesn’t Want You to Know”

“How Many Times has Dim Jim Been Right? Click Here to Find Out”

298 Tigger2  Jun 19, 2015 2:27:18pm

re: #292 wrenchwench

This is still up:

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I’m surprised that came from the Bardstown PD, I lived there years ago they seemed pretty laid-back.

299 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2015 2:28:46pm
300 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2015 2:30:34pm
301 subterraneanhomesickalien  Jun 19, 2015 2:30:42pm

re: #296 Backwoods_Sleuth

He better be stuck behind a desk for at least a year after this shit.

Fucking moron.

302 Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2015 2:31:16pm

re: #299 wrenchwench

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More people died in Charleston two nights ago than died in Benghazi, but the GOP doesn’t want to address that because they know there’s no way to spin it as an indictment against the President.

303 Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2015 2:32:07pm

re: #300 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I think we’re being punk’d. That he’s gonna abandon ship just in time to start up a new season of The Apprentice.

304 subterraneanhomesickalien  Jun 19, 2015 2:32:48pm

re: #282 wrenchwench

I used to love those slides when I was a teenager, because at least one girl would inevitably lose her top going down it.

305 Kilroy01  Jun 19, 2015 2:33:56pm

re: #301 subterraneanhomesickalien

10TV has confirmed a patrol officer was answering a call on Chandler Drive when a family in the area started screaming for help because of a medical emergency.

To bad it wasn’t an EMT arriving. They obviously know how to deal with dogs that doesn’t involve gunfire. Cops are just to trigger happy. They must dream of shooting things/people.

306 #FergusonFireside  Jun 19, 2015 2:38:30pm

Oooooh POTUS!!!

307 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2015 2:41:09pm
308 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 19, 2015 2:42:33pm

re: #276 allegro

I would have asked for the number, and preceed to dial it with them still on the phone. That one always gets a strong reaction. Next time! ;)

309 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 2:42:33pm

Did i really see that Perry called this an “accident” and “drug fueled”? What in the name of fuck is wrong with him and his party? Really the GOP gets a tad closer to the BNP every day they do their utter most to act like racism isn’t a reality while at the same saying bigoted crap.

310 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 2:43:12pm

re: #307 wrenchwench

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A lot of people including some Democrats gave him a hard time for saying that but he was right.

311 Nyet  Jun 19, 2015 2:43:18pm

re: #309 HappyWarrior

Did i really see that Perry called this an “accident” and “drug fueled”?

What was the third epithet?

312 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2015 2:44:06pm
313 Great White Snark  Jun 19, 2015 2:44:15pm

re: #290 Nyet

Cleaner than Daily Kos or Huffpo.

314 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 2:45:37pm

re: #293 No Country For Old Haters

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Yeah. I mean this would have been disturbing if he went guns blazing but the fact that Reverend Pinckney and the other members of the Bible study welcomed him and were kind to him. Those poor people. And now I see Erick Erickson being the utter pathetic piece of right wing shit he actually try to suggest that Caitlyn Jenner and tolerance of transpeople has something to do with this. Man these fuckers will do anything to shift the conversation away from race and guns,.

315 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 2:46:20pm

re: #311 Nyet

What was the third epithet?

I don’t know. I just saw the headline. Holy fuck man. How the hell does Perry call this an accident and I take issue with drug fueled too.

316 Nyet  Jun 19, 2015 2:46:50pm

re: #315 HappyWarrior

I don’t know.

Oops.

317 Targetpractice  Jun 19, 2015 2:47:42pm

“Drug-fueled”? Have I missed them saying he had any drugs in his system at the time of apprehension? Or are they saying that racism is a drug, because I’m totally in agreement with that.

318 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 2:48:08pm

re: #312 wrenchwench

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The hateful flag is a living reminder that the state of South Carolina was willing to destroy our nation because they were filled with greedy and lazy jerks that couldn’t stand the fact that Abraham Lincoln won legitimately and may have taken away their precious slaves. It is a racist symbol. I don’t care what people say and I definitely think less of someone who displays it on them whether that’s a tattoo, car bumper, t-shirt, etc.

319 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 2:49:14pm

re: #316 Nyet

Oops.

HEre’s the story from ThiknProgress.
thinkprogress.orgobama-administration-always-overreacts-accidents-like-charleston-shooting/
“This is the M.O. of this administration, any time there is an accident like this — the president is clear, he doesn’t like for Americans to have guns and so he uses every opportunity, this being another one, to basically go parrot that message,” Perry said in response to President Barack Obama’s Thursday remarks, according to a video posted by RWW blog.

Someone needs to cold cock this fucker.Sorry I know that’s not rational but goddamn a tragedy happens and Perry accuses the administration of “overreacting” and whines about a bullshit lie about the president not liking Americans having guns.

320 Archangelus  Jun 19, 2015 2:49:24pm

re: #200 bratwurst

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F*ck Graham and F*CK the Confederate flag - the flag of bigotry, the flag of soulless evil , and most of all the flag of treason.

There are only two states where that flag has a justifiable existence right in this day and age in the United States of America as far as I’m concerned: as a museum piece and as a doormat.

321 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2015 2:50:32pm

re: #314 HappyWarrior

Yeah. I mean this would have been disturbing if he went guns blazing but the fact that Reverend Pinckney and the other members of the Bible study welcomed him and were kind to him. Those poor people. And now I see Erick Erickson being the utter pathetic piece of right wing shit he actually try to suggest that Caitlyn Jenner and tolerance of transpeople has something to do with this. Man these fuckers will do anything to shift the conversation away from race and guns,.

It is riskier for a black person to show a stranger some Christian kindness than it is for Erick Erickson. I’m sure God gives Pinckney points for that, and he may have taken them right out of Erick’s account.

322 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2015 2:51:12pm

re: #296 Backwoods_Sleuth

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What the hell???

Just got back in from doing some errands, etc. and saw this. Out in Whitehall, that’s just about 3 miles up Main street from me.

By the way, strange day in the city. I got flipped off three times this afternoon. A new record. I swear, I was driving fast and in fact two of the times I was actually trying to help.

One by a guy that used a clearly marked right turn lane to try to get past me before an intersection, but the light changed and he got stuck there. He must have been in a big hurry. So, he comes storming around me on in the left lane a little further down, window down, screaming and flipping me off.

Another guy crossing on a green light had just stepped into the crosswalk, and not paying attention, so I tooted my horn to let him know he was going to walk into the side of my car…I was all of ten-twenty feet away from him and would have locked up my brakes had he kept going, nothing I could do but hit the horn. I saw him flip me off in my rear view mirror.

And then the royal one. A guy was in the far left lane on High Street just south of downtown and wanted to get into the far right to go into a gas station. I saw him, flashed my lights and gave him a little horn tap to let him know he could come over. Yeah, as he was turning…he flipped me off. I almost made a right turn at the next intersection to go back and ask him what the hell that was for, I let him over. Then I figured if he was that much an ass, best leave him alone. And since all this happened on one run over about a total of ten miles out and back I figured it was just not my day to be out.

Must be a full moon or something. And yes, I almost got out of my car and kissed the ground before I put the car in the garage.

323 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jun 19, 2015 2:51:54pm

re: #320 Archangelus

you forgot toilet paper

324 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 2:52:00pm

re: #321 wrenchwench

It is riskier for a black person to show a stranger some Christian kindness than it is for Erick Erickson. I’m sure God gives Pinckney points for that, and he may have taken them right out of Erick’s account.

Reverend Pinckney sounded like a genuinely good guy. I read about the other 8 too. All sounded like wonderful people.

325 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2015 2:52:26pm

re: #320 Archangelus

F*ck Graham and F*CK the Confederate flag - the flag of bigotry, the flag of soulless evil , and most of all the flag of treason.

There are only two states where that flag has a justifiable existence right in this day and age in the United States of America as far as I’m concerned: as a museum piece and as a doormat.

Or this:

326 CuriousLurker  Jun 19, 2015 2:53:31pm

re: #249 Charles Johnson

Latest beta version of the homepage reboot:

littlegreenfootballs.com

Images now fill the entire area with no borders, and the top post has an extra large image.

It looks good, but could you maybe add some kind of responsive menu so that on smaller screens there isn’t the need for so much swiping? It’s not so bad on my iPad Mini, but on my iPod Touch I’m forced to scroll, and scroll, and scroll…

Maybe you could limit the displayed articles on the front page to 10-15 with a “view more” button or whatever, and the menu could give me the option to jump down to the featured pages, recent, pages, RSS feed, etc? I know you already have a button to jump down to the featured pages, but it totally bypasses the LGF pages, create a page, user’s guide and RSS feeds, so if I’m not familiar with LGF I won’t even realize those things exist. Ditto for the recent pages because they’re so far down and the ads push them down even farther. Also, on individual articles (whenever you design those pages) people are gonna need an easy way to get back to home and all the other sections.

One more thing: A “back to top” options, again because of all the scrolling. If the responsive nav is omnipresent and can slide out or drop down as in the link above, then that would solve the swiping issues.

FWIW, I rarely surf the web for any length of time on my iPad Mini and I pretty much never do it on my iPod Touch, primarily because there just aren’t that many well-designed responsive sites and I quickly get very frustrated very with constantly having to tap-pinch-swipe.

327 Archangelus  Jun 19, 2015 2:55:31pm

re: #325 Dr Lizardo

Or this:

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OK, make that three states (wonder if it’s possible to order in bulk)…

328 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2015 2:57:05pm

re: #309 HappyWarrior

Did i really see that Perry called this an “accident” and “drug fueled”? What in the name of fuck is wrong with him and his party? Really the GOP gets a tad closer to the BNP every day they do their utter most to act like racism isn’t a reality while at the same saying bigoted crap.

I’ll tell you what is wrong with them. They have a race problem. Too many of their backers are racists and they need to dance with the ones that “brought ‘em!”

So, in order not to piss off their party faithful, they will never directly address the issue.

329 CuriousLurker  Jun 19, 2015 2:57:26pm

re: #321 wrenchwench

It is riskier for a black person to show a stranger some Christian kindness than it is for Erick Erickson. I’m sure God gives Pinckney points for that, and he may have taken them right out of Erick’s account.

*snerk*

330 CuriousLurker  Jun 19, 2015 2:58:17pm

re: #322 ObserverArt

What the hell???

Seconded. A 4-year old? WTF?

331 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 2:58:28pm

I really do think we messed up big time by getting the CSA leaders off scot free by and large. Point of reference. The VP of the CSA, Alexander Stevens became a Congressman after the war and later became governor or Georgia. I don’t know what the correct punishment for CSA leaders should have been but it was a big mistake to allow them to re-enter public life after the war.

332 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 2:58:57pm

re: #330 CuriousLurker

Seconded. A 4-year old? WTF?

Yeah just seeing that now. Man.

333 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2015 2:59:03pm

Hey all you idiots in the League of the South, it’s time for your heads to explode:

334 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 2:59:54pm

re: #328 ObserverArt

I’ll tell you what is wrong with them. They have a race problem. Too many of their backers are racists and they need to dance with the ones that “brought ‘em!”

So, in order not to piss off their party faithful, they will never directly address the issue.

You’re right. Just disgusts me that such a party runs our national legislature knowing all this. We need not only a Democratic president but also a strong Democratic Congress and Democratic governors and state legislatures.

335 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 3:00:45pm

re: #333 wrenchwench

Hey all you idiots in the League of the South, it’s time for your heads to explode:

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Just like the “good old days” when the police force was filled with KKK members.

336 CuriousLurker  Jun 19, 2015 3:01:23pm

re: #296 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So he “shot at the dog but missed and struck the child”?? This isn’t the wild west—these guys need to have their gun-happy cowboy crap curbed.

337 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 3:02:35pm

re: #336 CuriousLurker

So he “shot at the dog but missed and struck the child”?? This isn’t the wild west—these guys need to have their gun-happy cowboy crap curbed.

And this is a “professional.”

338 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2015 3:02:46pm

re: #330 CuriousLurker

Seconded. A 4-year old? WTF?

re: #332 HappyWarrior

Yeah just seeing that now. Man.

Listening to local news now to see if there are any updates.

339 danarchy  Jun 19, 2015 3:04:02pm

re: #325 Dr Lizardo

Or this:

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I have to admit, that my first real exposure to the confederate flag was on the roof of the General Lee in the Dukes of Hazzard TV show. I was only 6 and had no idea there was any negative connotation to it. To this day if you say General Lee the first thing I think of is that orange charger. I still want one(sans the flag, but the horn that plays dixie maybe), I actually have a modern Dodge charger which I have no complaints about, but it just isn’t the same.

340 CuriousLurker  Jun 19, 2015 3:05:24pm

re: #333 wrenchwench

Hey all you idiots in the League of the South, it’s time for your heads to explode:

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Good riddance. I’m guessing they were having nightmarish visions of catastrophic lawsuits being filed if they kept him on and he violated someone’s civil rights or injured/killed someone.

341 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2015 3:05:26pm

re: #333 wrenchwench

Good.

Oh, but how the LOS is gonna screech about how they’re being “persecuted” and that they’re just “fine, upstanding, genteel citizens who love their Southern heritage”.

Kudos to the city of Anniston - this shit needs to stop, and these kind of cops need to be purged from the police forces.

And with that, goodnight, Lizards.

342 Kilroy01  Jun 19, 2015 3:05:28pm

re: #325 Dr Lizardo

I really hope these colors don’t run.

/s

343 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 3:06:14pm

re: #339 danarchy

I have to admit, that my first real exposure to the confederate flag was on the roof of the General Lee in the Dukes of Hazzard TV show. I was only 6 and had no idea there was any negative connotation to it. To this day if you say General Lee the first thing I think of is that orange charger. I still want one(sans the flag, but the horn that plays dixie maybe), I actually have a modern Dodge charger which I have no complaints about, but it just isn’t the same.

I remember when I was in college a few years back. Me, another native, and a freshman who was from out of state were driving down to Richmond for something and we stopped by in a small town half way between Fairfax and Richmond and the freshman guy was just amazed at how common CSA flags. Being from New York, he had never really seen anything like this. I myself had a childhood friend who kept a Confederate flag in his room.

344 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2015 3:07:25pm
345 Dr Lizardo  Jun 19, 2015 3:08:20pm

re: #344 wrenchwench

GOATYODA.

And goodnight for real.

346 EPR-radar  Jun 19, 2015 3:09:08pm

re: #331 HappyWarrior

I really do think we messed up big time by getting the CSA leaders off scot free by and large. Point of reference. The VP of the CSA, Alexander Stevens became a Congressman after the war and later became governor or Georgia. I don’t know what the correct punishment for CSA leaders should have been but it was a big mistake to allow them to re-enter public life after the war.

I also think the CSA leadership got off too easily. However, it isn’t easy to suggest something clearly better, even with hindsight.

The basic problem was that the intransigence of Confederate leaders was not diminished enough by the loss of the war, and they were in a position to simply outwait the military occupation. Something like Hayes-Tilden was most likely inevitable.

347 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2015 3:10:01pm
348 Nyet  Jun 19, 2015 3:10:32pm

349 Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 19, 2015 3:10:58pm

re: #339 danarchy

I have to admit, that my first real exposure to the confederate flag was on the roof of the General Lee in the Dukes of Hazzard TV show. I was only 6 and had no idea there was any negative connotation to it. To this day if you say General Lee the first thing I think of is that orange charger. I still want one(sans the flag, but the horn that plays dixie maybe), I actually have a modern Dodge charger which I have no complaints about, but it just isn’t the same.

Yeah. It’s faster and it doesn’t fly pff the road in corners and has gas mileage in the double digits.
//

350 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 3:11:20pm

re: #346 EPR-radar

I also think the CSA leadership got off too easily. However, it isn’t easy to suggest something clearly better, even with hindsight.

The basic problem was that the intransigence of Confederate leaders was not diminished enough by the loss of the war, and they were in a position to simply outwait the military occupation. Something like Hayes-Tilden was most likely inevitable.

Oh yeah I agree and understand. It was a tough situation. What infuriates me about the Hayes-Tilden election is how African-Americans were basically sold out so the Republicans could win the election. I actually have to believe that President Grant doesn’t get enough credit. His administration went after the KKK admirably.

351 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2015 3:11:46pm

This should go down well in some quarters:

352 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 3:11:51pm

re: #347 wrenchwench

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Na na na na Catman!

353 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 3:12:19pm

re: #351 Backwoods_Sleuth

This should go down well in some quarters:

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Why does Obummer hate the troops. // coming to a GOP primary debate near you.

354 EPR-radar  Jun 19, 2015 3:14:42pm

re: #350 HappyWarrior

Oh yeah I agree and understand. It was a tough situation. What infuriates me about the Hayes-Tilden election is how African-Americans were basically sold out so the Republicans could win the election. I actually have to believe that President Grant doesn’t get enough credit. His administration went after the KKK admirably.

Thinking about the civil war era is disorienting. The Republicans were more useful than not back then, despite the disgrace of Hayes-Tilden.

355 BeachDem  Jun 19, 2015 3:15:54pm

re: #317 Targetpractice

“Drug-fueled”? Have I missed them saying he had any drugs in his system at the time of apprehension? Or are they saying that racism is a drug, because I’m totally in agreement with that.

I have seen, at least in comment sections, the same bullshit as made the rounds after Sandy Hook—about “massive amounts of psychotropic drugs in his system.” Haven’t read a single word about it from any reliable (or even not so reliable) source.

I also find it interesting (read bizarre, yet not unexpected) that in recent police murders of young black men, within a day or so the media are publishing every detail of not only the victim’s past, but also of every family member. (Hell, in the case of Tamir Rice, the very first stories were about his parents’ records.)

Yet, with Roof, we’ve had some words from his uncle, tales from the roommate and former classmates, but only the very sketchiest information about his background—he dropped out of school in tenth grade, had two arrests this year, and?? No other info. Haven’t even seen his parents names mentioned. (At least, I haven’t seen any.) Very strange.

I’m not suggesting there should be doxxing, but that seems like pretty basic information for the media to find out while they’re blabbing philosophically about all other superfluous crap.

356 DodgerFan1988  Jun 19, 2015 3:17:42pm

I’m getting sick and tired of hearing the conservatives “cars kill more Americans than guns, why don’t we talk about that?” talking point on Facebook, Twitter, and Youtube.

357 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 3:17:53pm

re: #354 EPR-radar

Thinking about the civil war era is disorienting. The Republicans were more useful than not back then, despite the disgrace of Hayes-Tilden.

Oh for sure.

358 Nyet  Jun 19, 2015 3:18:02pm

359 EPR-radar  Jun 19, 2015 3:19:30pm

re: #355 BeachDem

Isn’t it revolting that a white perpetrator of a mass murder seems to be getting better treatment in the media than unarmed black victims of police shootings?

That is fucked up on a truly epic scale.

360 #FergusonFireside  Jun 19, 2015 3:19:34pm

re: #355 BeachDem

Hey, Bakari Sellers was on CNN for a good long time this morning.

He was wiping tears at the statements of the family members during the hearing.

He offered quite a bit of thoughtful commentary, seeing him live this morning really conveyed what an authentic person he is.

361 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 3:19:53pm

re: #356 DodgerFan1988

I’m getting sick and tired of hearing the conservatives “cars kill more Americans than guns, why don’t we talk about that?” talking point on Facebook, Twitter, and Youtube.

Yeah that makes me sick too. The other talking point I am tired is “Why won’t we talk about black murders in “large city here”” And I am also sick of hearing about why “we never discuss black on black crime.” Chris Hayes actually did a great spoof showing how absurd that is by talking about white on white crime.

362 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 19, 2015 3:20:20pm

re: #311 Nyet

What was the third epithet?

That’s never going to stop being funny. Perry should withdraw from political life, and maybe start painting like Dubya.

363 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 3:20:46pm

re: #358 Nyet

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Heh remember when the Republicans sort of talked about gutting the constitutional requirement for American birth so Arnold could urn. Arnie would poll worse than Jon Huntsman if he ran today.

364 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2015 3:21:27pm

good grief

365 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 3:21:44pm

re: #362 No Country For Old Haters

That’s never going to stop being funny. Perry should withdraw from political life, and maybe start painting like Dubya.

W thankfully has had enough sense by and large to shut up about political matters. I think he knows he wasn’t a good president deep down.

366 Nyet  Jun 19, 2015 3:21:45pm

re: #363 HappyWarrior

Some probably want Putin to run.

367 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 3:22:45pm

re: #364 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

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And about his pathetic attack on the President claiming the WH was “overreacting” and that the president doesn’t want Americans to have guns. How about that you fucker? Stop turning every time someone doesn’t praise guns into let’s whine about how gun owners are oppressed victims.

368 De Kolta Chair  Jun 19, 2015 3:24:31pm
“When you’re born into this world, you’re given a ticket to the freak show. If you’re born in America you get a front row seat.” — George Carlin
369 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 19, 2015 3:24:41pm

re: #358 Nyet

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Video

That was awesome. Made me laugh a lot.

370 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 3:25:00pm

re: #366 Nyet

Some probably want Putin to run.

Thankfully if they waived that, there would be a citizenship and residency requirement. But yeah it is scary seeing how many American righties pine for Putin. I forgot but there was an interesting book I read over the winter about Russia by a NPR journalist. You might find it interesting. He talks to a bunch of Russians of various backgrounds and ages. I had never heard of him before but it was an interesting read to me.
amazon.com

371 BeachDem  Jun 19, 2015 3:25:50pm

re: #359 EPR-radar

Isn’t it revolting that a white perpetrator of a mass murder seems to be getting better treatment in the media than unarmed black victims of police shootings?

That is fucked up on a truly epic scale.

The judge opening the hearing today with an admonishment about how Roof’s family are victims and deserve prayer and caring really made me want to puke.

372 allegro  Jun 19, 2015 3:26:39pm

re: #362 No Country For Old Haters

That’s never going to stop being funny. Perry should withdraw from political life, and maybe start painting like Dubya.

There are some rocks at his ranch that could use some touching up.

373 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2015 3:27:17pm

re: #371 BeachDem

The judge opening the hearing today with an admonishment about how Roof’s family are victims and deserve prayer and caring really made me want to puke.

374 Teukka  Jun 19, 2015 3:27:21pm

re: #371 BeachDem

The judge opening the hearing today with an admonishment about how Roof’s family are victims and deserve prayer and caring really made me want to puke.

Yep. The man learnt his racism somewhere, either by his parents explicit acts or their lack of oversight and proper raising of their son.

375 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 3:28:26pm

re: #371 BeachDem

The judge opening the hearing today with an admonishment about how Roof’s family are victims and deserve prayer and caring really made me want to puke.

Where the hell was that sympathy to the victims’ families. I mean his father is the one who violated the law and got him the gun and I definitely think he was raised in a racist environment. Roof isn’t a child. I mean to some extent I do feel bad for his family knowing that they have a murderer for a son or brother (don’t know if he has siblings which I think speaks even more to how little about this guy the media has given us so far which is amazing really) but it seems to me that his parents were definitely aware of his racist views and got him a firearm anyhow.

376 CuriousLurker  Jun 19, 2015 3:29:06pm

Old age gripe: Bought a 64 GB USB flash drive in April because it was on sale and the biggest one I already had was only 8 GB. So I was searching through my past Amazon orders for something and—WTF?—I’d bought a 32 GB flash drive back in November. No recollection of it whatsoever.

So I started looking for it. It wasn’t in any of the places I typically keep my other flash drives, nor was it plugged into a hub and forgotten—couldn’t find it anywhere. Until today. I had stuck it in a little padded Sandisk SDHC memory card holder. I have no idea why. Senior moment, I guess.

This, youngsters, is why I keep my house keys—all keys. in fact—on a lanyard around my neck that always gets hung on the inside knob of the front door (so I always know where they are, and won’t forget them and lock myself out).

Getting old isn’t for sissies.

377 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2015 3:29:41pm

Well, local NBC news show is over. No mention of the little girl shot by the cop out in Whitehall.

They did a feel-good story on a Columbus cop getting a promotion and the US Air Force allowing his son to get home to be a part. Awwwww.///

A reminder why I gave up watching the local news. Freaking useless.

378 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 3:30:04pm

re: #373 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Okay if this means I woke up in 1955, maybe I can find my grandfather who I never knew and have a chat with him. Oh wait. Seriously. I mean the judge already came off like an ass to me already but this? I don’t even knwo anyomre.

379 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 3:31:03pm

I have decided to go on a “Pie-atus” and explore other dessert options
SWIRL SOUR CREAM POUND CAKE

380 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 3:31:29pm

re: #379 The Vicious Babushka

I have decided to go on a “Pie-atus” and explore other dessert options
SWIRL SOUR CREAM POUND CAKE

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Pie-atus granted, that looks delicious.

381 BeachDem  Jun 19, 2015 3:31:36pm

re: #360 #FergusonFireside

Hey, Bakari Sellers was on CNN for a good long time this morning.

He was wiping tears at the statements of the family members during the hearing.

He offered quite a bit of thoughtful commentary, seeing him live this morning really conveyed what an authentic person he is.

Bakari has been on a lot. Isn’t he impressive? He was pretty good friends with Clem. Although they were 11 years apart in age, they were both REALLY young when first elected. Bakari was also in Charleston that night—had been at the Hillary event.

Still kills me that Bakari lost (badly) to a freak like Henry McMaster, and is now out of government—at least for awhile. He’ll be back—if/when Clyburn retires, I expect Bakari to run for that House seat.

382 Nyet  Jun 19, 2015 3:31:37pm

LSD? I don’t need no f’n LSD.

Inceptionism: Going deeper into Neural Networks

383 EPR-radar  Jun 19, 2015 3:32:32pm

re: #376 CuriousLurker

Old age gripe: Bought a 64 GB USB flash drive in April because it was on sale and the biggest one I already had was only 8 GB. So I was searching through my past Amazon order for something and—WTF?—I’d bought a 32 GB flash drive back in November. No recollection of it whatsoever.

So I started looking for it. It wasn’t in any of the places I typically keep my other flash drives, nor was it plugged into a hub and forgotten—couldn’t find it anywhere. Until today. I had stuck it in a little padded Sandisk SDHC memory card holder. I have no idea why. Senior moment, I guess.

This, youngsters, is why I keep my house keys—all keys. in fact—on a lanyard around my neck that always gets hung on the inside knob of the front door (so I always know where they are, and won’t forget them and lock myself out).

Getting old isn’t for sissies.

I have a system for the front door that is idiot proof. It’s a deadbolt that can only be locked from outside with the key. So it is possible for me to wander off without locking the door, but it is impossible to get locked out.

384 #FergusonFireside  Jun 19, 2015 3:32:46pm

re: #373 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Fuck that shit. Wow.

385 Nyet  Jun 19, 2015 3:35:48pm

re: #382 Nyet

LSD? I don’t need no f’n LSD.

Inceptionism: Going deeper into Neural Networks

A text explanation: googleresearch.blogspot.co.uk

386 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2015 3:37:43pm

re: #376 CuriousLurker

Getting old isn’t for sissies.

I saw your reference a few days ago to your little ‘brain IED’. Those ain’t for sissies neither. And I wanna think of a cute name for mine. Which gave me a memory like an old person.

387 EPR-radar  Jun 19, 2015 3:38:03pm

re: #384 #FergusonFireside

Fuck that shit. Wow.

Indeed. It may be unfair to this judge, but I’m getting an impression of “this kid took our normal way of talking down here a bit too seriously” from him.

388 De Kolta Chair  Jun 19, 2015 3:38:57pm

re: #370 HappyWarrior

Thankfully if they waived that, there would be a citizenship and residency requirement. But yeah it is scary seeing how many American righties pine for Putin. I forgot but there was an interesting book I read over the winter about Russia by a NPR journalist. You might find it interesting. He talks to a bunch of Russians of various backgrounds and ages. I had never heard of him before but it was an interesting read to me.
amazon.com

I really liked that book. Have you read Ian Frazier’s Travels in Siberia?

389 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2015 3:39:20pm

re: #322 ObserverArt

What the hell???

—CUT—

By the way, strange day in the city. I got flipped off three times this afternoon. A new record. I swear, I was driving fast and in fact two of the times I was actually trying to help.

—CUT—

Oops! Can no longer edit this…but I wasn’t driving fast. Couldn’t any way…too much traffic at that time of the day, and most of the streets I was on were 35 MPH and downtown at rush hour.

I swear!!! Got any Bibles?

390 De Kolta Chair  Jun 19, 2015 3:40:53pm

re: #389 ObserverArt

Oops! Can no longer edit this…but I wasn’t driving fast. Couldn’t any way…too much traffic at that time of the day, and most of the streets I was on were 35 MPH and downtown at rush hour.

I swear!!! Got any Bibles?

Coming this summer — Brian De Palma’s Flipped Off.

391 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 3:41:44pm

re: #388 De Kolta Chair

I really liked that book. Say, if you haven’t read it already you might also like Ian Frazier’s Travels in Siberia.

I’ll have to check that out. Russia has fascinated me for a long time. Came very close to actually going there back in 2008 but no one else signed up for the trip. Ended up doing Central Europe instead which was awesome too but I would have loved to see Moscow and St. Petersburg and the professor that would have been in charge of the trip was one of my favorite instructors ever. I enjoy reading stuff like that though. It’s neat to get to know regular people from other countries. That’s part of why when I have been abroad, I try to do not totally be touristy.

392 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 3:42:33pm

And now some assbasket with “Deo Vindice” enters my timeline.

393 CuriousLurker  Jun 19, 2015 3:43:46pm

re: #386 wrenchwench

I saw your reference a few days ago to your little ‘brain IED’. Those ain’t for sissies neither. And I wanna think of a cute name for mine. Which gave me a memory like an old person.

Same here. My memory wasn’t anywhere near this spotty before. I’ve also bought software that I already had, at least one iTunes song I already had, etc. It’s getting frigging expensive. And increasingly annoying because all of those things I re-bought were originally purchased before after my little brain IED, so it’s not as if they got wiped out by it. (I gave it a cute name like that to take some of the scariness out of it).

394 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 19, 2015 3:45:33pm

More FOP letter backlash:

395 plansbandc  Jun 19, 2015 3:46:05pm

re: #373 Backwoods_Sleuth

My hope for this country is rapidly being extinguished.

396 CuriousLurker  Jun 19, 2015 3:47:47pm

re: #393 CuriousLurker

Gah, typos—pls refresh.

397 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2015 3:54:58pm

re: #395 plansbandc

My hope for this country is rapidly being extinguished.

Sorry to hear that. But, it is understandable.

I guess I am an eternal hopeful kind of person, but steeped in reality.

I think we are in a downward movement, but hopefully (there is that word) it will reach the low point and enough good people will get frustrated by it all and start an upswing.

I see that as a constant human issue. It is sad that we can’t just learn from the past and stay at a decent level and only progress upward.

398 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 19, 2015 3:55:27pm

re: #395 plansbandc

My hope for this country is rapidly being extinguished.

There are a lot of shitheads in America, but the response to this has actually increased my hope for our country. Lots of pale-skinned people, even on the right, have come out in support of this church, and our shithead racists are trying to distance themselves from someone who actually murdered black people.

We used to have lynching parties. Now most racists want no part of killing. We still have a long way to go, but we are slowly crawling toward being a civilized country.

399 goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2015 3:56:33pm

This was disappointing.

400 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 19, 2015 3:56:56pm

re: #397 ObserverArt

I don’t think we’re in a downward movement. I think we’re seeing the death throes of a backward subculture.

401 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 19, 2015 3:57:19pm

re: #376 CuriousLurker

Old age gripe: Bought a 64 GB USB flash drive in April because it was on sale and the biggest one I already had was only 8 GB. So I was searching through my past Amazon orders for something and—WTF?—I’d bought a 32 GB flash drive back in November. No recollection of it whatsoever.

So I started looking for it. It wasn’t in any of the places I typically keep my other flash drives, nor was it plugged into a hub and forgotten—couldn’t find it anywhere. Until today. I had stuck it in a little padded Sandisk SDHC memory card holder. I have no idea why. Senior moment, I guess.

This, youngsters, is why I keep my house keys—all keys. in fact—on a lanyard around my neck that always gets hung on the inside knob of the front door (so I always know where they are, and won’t forget them and lock myself out).

Getting old isn’t for sissies.

mr. klys gave me an adorable key holder for …maybe it was my birthday one year. It’s on the wall by the alarm keypad. My keys go there when I am in.

It’s a bunch of kitties on a branch, and their tails are the hooks for the key rings.

I’m totally taking it off the wall and with me when we move.

402 De Kolta Chair  Jun 19, 2015 3:57:36pm

re: #391 HappyWarrior

I’ll have to check that out. Russia has fascinated me for a long time. Came very close to actually going there back in 2008 but no one else signed up for the trip. Ended up doing Central Europe instead which was awesome too but I would have loved to see Moscow and St. Petersburg and the professor that would have been in charge of the trip was one of my favorite instructors ever. I enjoy reading stuff like that though. It’s not neat to get to know regular people from other countries. That’s part of why when I have been abroad, I try to do not totally be touristy.

I’m a big fan of Vladimir Nabokov and have been meaning to go to Russia for ages especially St. Petersburg, where he grew up (his family home is now a museum dedicated to the master). Ahh, someday. But I usually prefer to go to countries where I know people and can skip the touristy thang. Along those lines, whenever I visit someplace I’ve never been to before I like to suss out a bar or restaurant that catches my fancy and ask the folks working there where they like to hang out. We’ve found some cool joints and met some kwazy characters that way.

403 goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2015 4:01:11pm
404 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2015 4:01:34pm

re: #400 No Country For Old Haters

I don’t think we’re in a downward movement. I think we’re seeing the death throes of a backward subculture.

I sure hope you are right. But then when you see a 21 year-old do what he did it makes me wonder how much that subculture has been or is being put down.

405 BeachDem  Jun 19, 2015 4:01:45pm

re: #399 goddamnedfrank

This was disappointing.

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And, as you pointed out, very much a strawman on Shoq’s part—there’s a vast distance between “hating” his family and the judge opening with calling them “victims.”

406 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 19, 2015 4:03:15pm

I see Lindsey Graham eventually acknowledged that this was a racist attack.

Lindsey Graham, who is the Senator from South Carolina, initially suggested the persecution of Christians was as likely a reason for the shootings as racism. “There are real people out there that are organized to kill people based on race. This guy is just whacked out. But it’s 2015, there are people out there looking for Christians to kill them.” On Friday, however, while visiting Charleston, Graham had made a shift. He told The New York Times’ Ashley Parker, “the only reason these people are dead is because they’re black.”

thedailybeast.com

407 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 19, 2015 4:04:06pm

re: #404 ObserverArt

I sure hope you are right. But then when you see a 21 year-old do what he did it makes me wonder how much that subculture has been or is being put down.

I see it as pockets of hate lashing out in a good country that rejects them.

408 #FergusonFireside  Jun 19, 2015 4:04:13pm

Seeing the judge’s past racist statements makes his concern for the family oh so clear.

409 goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2015 4:04:54pm
410 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2015 4:05:36pm

re: #406 No Country For Old Haters

I see Lindsey Graham eventually acknowledged that this was a racist attack.

thedailybeast.com

He must have figured out he was actually running for president.

Not too quick on the draw is he?

411 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 4:08:18pm

ELECT ME, DR. RAND PAUL, AND I WILL FUCK YOU 99 PERCENTERS RIGHT IN THE ASS!!!!

412 goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2015 4:08:37pm
413 goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2015 4:12:18pm
414 De Kolta Chair  Jun 19, 2015 4:13:54pm

re: #399 goddamnedfrank

This was disappointing.

Side note: That is one sad looking clip art goldfish.
415 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2015 4:14:24pm

Update from Columbus Channel 10 CBS…7:03 PM. From #296 above

Columbus Police said the officer responded and as he was trying to help an injured woman, a dog inside the home charged him.

Investigators said the officer shot at the dog but missed and struck the child in the right leg.

According to Columbus Police, the girl is in stable condition at Nationwide Children’s Hospital. The injured woman in the home was taken to Grant Hospital for treatment.

416 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 19, 2015 4:17:58pm

re: #412 goddamnedfrank

Chris Rock says the same thing. It seems like this judge was talking about there being good and bad people in any race, but was too dumb to know that white people can’t use that word, so got himself in trouble.

417 EPR-radar  Jun 19, 2015 4:20:32pm

re: #411 The Vicious Babushka

Assuming Rand Paul is correct that the tax code has 70,000 pages, I fail to see how a flat tax would allow this to be made significantly simpler.

Progressive tax rates can be expressed on one page. Perhaps that bloats to 10 pages in bureaucrat-speak.

So 70,000 pages goes to 69,990 pages. Big whoop. Meanwhile the rest of the tax code remains, since it is mainly concerned with defining what counts as income. There would be some significant simplifications if there would be fewer categories of income. But this is irrelevant.

A flat tax is proposed by plutocrats to lower their tax rates and make everyone else pay more. That’s all that needs to be known about that stupid idea.

418 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 19, 2015 4:22:40pm

re: #417 EPR-radar

A flat tax is proposed by plutocrats to lower their tax rates and make everyone else pay more. That’s all that needs to be known about that stupid idea.

Of course, Rand Paul is a flim-flam man.

419 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 19, 2015 4:23:34pm

re: #414 De Kolta Chair

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Side note: That is one sad looking clip art goldfish.

Where’s their little dog, Checkers?

420 goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2015 4:23:37pm

I just can’t.

421 #FergusonFireside  Jun 19, 2015 4:23:49pm

re: #416 No Country For Old Haters

Chris Rock says the same thing. It seems like this judge was talking about there being good and bad people in any race, but was too dumb to know that white people can’t use that word, so got himself in trouble.

Any white person’s use of that word is de facto racist. No quarter.

422 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2015 4:24:29pm

re: #399 goddamnedfrank

This was disappointing.

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The history of Shoq on Twitter is, um, also disappointing. So this, which seems uncharacteristic, is not too surprising to me.

423 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 19, 2015 4:24:48pm

re: #421 #FergusonFireside

Any white person’s use of that word is de facto racist. No quarter.

Agreed

424 goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2015 4:25:44pm

re: #416 No Country For Old Haters

Chris Rock says the same thing. It seems like this judge was talking about there being good and bad people in any race, but was too dumb to know that white people can’t use that word, so got himself in trouble.

Ignore the word for a second. Any Judge that throws out trite racial categorical simplisms like that shouldn’t be on the bench. It betrays a woeful lack of critical thinking skills.

425 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2015 4:26:51pm

re: #418 No Country For Old Haters

Of course, Rand Paul is a flim-flam man.

Seventy-six trombones led the big parade!

(I hope enough folks get the reference…maybe a few in the school play!)

426 allegro  Jun 19, 2015 4:28:17pm

re: #425 ObserverArt

Seventy-six trombones led the big parade!

(I hope enough folks get the reference…maybe a few in the school play!)

P and that rhymes with T and that stands for Trouble!

427 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2015 4:28:38pm

re: #425 ObserverArt

Seventy-six trombones led the big parade!

(I hope enough folks get the reference…maybe a few in the school play!)

With 110 coronets right behind.

I watched it, but was not in it.

428 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 19, 2015 4:28:45pm

re: #417 EPR-radar

I wonder what voters’ reaction would be if the cons had to call it the National Sales Tax.

429 #FergusonFireside  Jun 19, 2015 4:28:52pm

I grew up with the I like black people but hate ni***. Bullshit. Took growing up to realize the undercurrent was always racist.

430 b.d.  Jun 19, 2015 4:29:10pm

Do the racist wingnuts even believe their own BS anymore or are they saying this stuff just to be obstinate jerks?

431 CuriousLurker  Jun 19, 2015 4:29:32pm

re: #421 #FergusonFireside

Any white person’s use of that word is de facto racist. No quarter.

I agree. When we moved up here to the East Coast my son was still in high school. We lived in a primarily black neighborhood, so his school and 99% of his friends were black. Some of his closer friends told him it was okay with them if he used that word, but he told them no because he wasn’t okay with it. Too much pain & violence associated with its history.

432 b.d.  Jun 19, 2015 4:30:30pm

re: #428 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I wonder what voters’ reaction would be if the cons had to call it the National Sales Tax.

Call it the Barack Obama Fair Tax and stand back as they run for the gates.

433 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2015 4:30:52pm

re: #429 #FergusonFireside

I grew up with the I like black people but hate ni***. Bullshit. Took growing up to realize the undercurrent was always racist.

I had a boyfriend from Lemon Grove who had a brother attending Fresno State, who tried to tell me that the word does apply sometimes.

434 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 4:31:06pm

re: #417 EPR-radar

Assuming Rand Paul is correct that the tax code has 70,000 pages, I fail to see how a flat tax would allow this to be made significantly simpler.

Progressive tax rates can be expressed on one page. Perhaps that bloats to 10 pages in bureaucrat-speak.

So 70,000 pages goes to 69,990 pages. Big whoop. Meanwhile the rest of the tax code remains, since it is mainly concerned with defining what counts as income. There would be some significant simplifications if there would be fewer categories of income. But this is irrelevant.

A flat tax is proposed by plutocrats to lower their tax rates and make everyone else pay more. That’s all that needs to be known about that stupid idea.

The #FairTax (it’s “Fair” like “Right to Work” means you have a right to a job) is even more regressive since it taxes consumption, not income. A better name for the “FairTax” would be Sumptuary Laws.

435 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 19, 2015 4:31:17pm

re: #432 b.d.

Call it the Barack Obama Fair Tax and stand back as they run for the gates.

Oh, the humanity!

436 allegro  Jun 19, 2015 4:32:07pm

I think I was maybe 4 when I first learned eenie meenie miney moe. My dad went ballistic at the second line. I didn’t understand why that was a bad word then but sure never used it again.

437 goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2015 4:34:07pm

Another strawman, I called the Judge’s statement at the hearing tone deaf, and it was. Not even going to try to engage with Shoq anymore today, there’s no point. He’s off on a toot.

438 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 4:34:13pm

re: #436 allegro

I think I was maybe 4 when I first learned eenie meenie miney moe. My dad went ballistic at the second line. I didn’t understand why that was a bad word then but sure never used it again.

We always said “Catch a tiger by the toe”

I never heard the racist version I just read about it years later.

439 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2015 4:34:36pm

re: #436 allegro

I think I was maybe 4 when I first learned eenie meenie miney moe. My dad went ballistic at the second line. I didn’t understand why that was a bad word then but sure never used it again.

I was 6 when Mom told me to make it ‘tiger by the toe’.

440 BeachDem  Jun 19, 2015 4:34:38pm

re: #412 goddamnedfrank

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Wow, Chris Hayes—you’re only about 5 hours late with that big revelation. The judge also got a reprimand or a little slap on the wrist for “helping out a buddy with a DUI.” Actually, that one included falsifying records and throwing his weight around to save a fellow judge from spending a night in the pokey.

441 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2015 4:35:01pm

re: #424 goddamnedfrank

Ignore the word for a second. Any Judge that throws out trite racial categorical simplisms like that shouldn’t be on the bench. It betrays a woeful lack of critical thinking skills.

Frank…I just want to say…lately you’ve been on a tear around here with some of the most burning comments on a lot of the subjects. You make me laugh while also saying attaboy…go get ‘em goddamnedfrank!

And it also figures in that a damn good ol’ high school, and lifelong friend of mine that used to spend hours in our fishing boat contemplating the universe and all things political with me was named Frank. And I miss him.

He passed away from heart failure 4 years ago and he was just as on-fire as you. In a way, LGF is my substitute for all the things we used to talk hours into the night about. And you remind me of him. Believe me, that is a good thing…damn-it. Sniff.

442 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 19, 2015 4:35:45pm

re: #436 allegro

The modern version appears to be :
Eeny, meeny, miny, moe,
Catch a tiger by the toe.
If he hollers, let him go,
Eeny, meeny, miny, moe.

en.wikipedia.org

443 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 4:35:59pm

And after a 12-part tweet, the grift

444 b.d.  Jun 19, 2015 4:36:36pm

re: #437 goddamnedfrank

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Another strawman, I called the Judge’s statement at the hearing tone deaf, and it was. Not even going to try to engage with Shoq anymore today, there’s no point. He’s off on a toot.

That is the law in South Carolina so the answer to his question would be: All of them.

445 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2015 4:36:53pm

Oooh! Oooh!

446 #FergusonFireside  Jun 19, 2015 4:36:58pm

Wait. I’m seeing on twitter that 700k has been raised toward bond & he’s going to mental facility. Tell me I follow people who don’t fact check????

447 CuriousLurker  Jun 19, 2015 4:39:22pm

re: #436 allegro

I think I was maybe 4 when I first learned eenie meenie miney moe. My dad went ballistic at the second line. I didn’t understand why that was a bad word then but sure never used it again.

Oddly enough, even though I grew up in Texas, as a small child I learned it as “catch a tiger by the toe” because that’s how my parents taught it to me. I was quite taken aback when at age 5 or 6 I heard the other version from another kid. I never used it because I already knew it was a bad word (I have no recollection of who informed me of that) my parents wouldn’y appreciate hearing come out of my mouth.

448 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 19, 2015 4:39:41pm

re: #438 The Vicious Babushka

We always said “Catch a tiger by the toe”

I never heard the racist version I just read about it years later.

Your subculture was ahead of mine. I heard the racist version as a kid in Illinois.

449 goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2015 4:41:23pm
450 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2015 4:41:36pm

re: #438 The Vicious Babushka

We always said “Catch a tiger by the toe”

I never heard the racist version I just read about it years later.

You were lucky. That was sung by many a white kid in my neighborhood. And as I’ve said before, it was a mixed neighborhood and changing to more African American through my school years. I bristled because some of my best after-school and summer days and weekends friend were AA and a lot of fun. Some more fun than the White kids that went to my Catholic school.

451 CuriousLurker  Jun 19, 2015 4:41:42pm

re: #438 The Vicious Babushka

re: #439 wrenchwench

Sounds like plenty of parents from all over the country used the “tiger” substitution. Kudos to them.

452 goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2015 4:41:55pm

re: #444 b.d.

That is the law in South Carolina so the answer to his question would be: All of them.

Do you have a citation?

453 De Kolta Chair  Jun 19, 2015 4:42:53pm

re: #419 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Where’s their little dog, Checkers?

This gag works on several Freudian and Jungian levels.
454 EPR-radar  Jun 19, 2015 4:43:15pm

re: #428 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I wonder what voters’ reaction would be if the cons had to call it the National Sales Tax.

IIRC, the national sale tax is the “Fair Tax”, which is an abomination distinct from the Flat Tax.

455 BeachDem  Jun 19, 2015 4:43:17pm

re: #443 The Vicious Babushka

And after a 12-part tweet, the grift

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Of course! And anyone stupid enough to fall for the grift will be mesmerized by a tax plan constructed by a self-licensed ophthalmologist.

456 allegro  Jun 19, 2015 4:43:27pm

re: #438 The Vicious Babushka

We always said “Catch a tiger by the toe”

I never heard the racist version I just read about it years later.

We caught a monkey by the toe after I caught hell from Dad.

457 wrenchwench  Jun 19, 2015 4:44:08pm

Later, lizards.

458 The Vicious Babushka  Jun 19, 2015 4:44:12pm

Well Steve Forbes endorses Rand Paul’s tax plan, so it has to be great for everyone! *spit*

459 BeachDem  Jun 19, 2015 4:45:31pm

re: #446 #FergusonFireside

Wait. I’m seeing on twitter that 700k has been raised toward bond & he’s going to mental facility. Tell me I follow people who don’t fact check????

You follow people who don’t fact check.

Suspect Roof held without bail on 9 murder charges in church shooting; $1M for gun charge

postandcourier.com

460 Tigger2  Jun 19, 2015 4:46:11pm

re: #458 The Vicious Babushka

Well Steve Forbes endorses Rand Paul’s tax plan, so it has to be great for everyone! *spit*

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If Forbes likes it I automatically hate it. Then again I always hated the idea of a flat tax.

461 ObserverArt  Jun 19, 2015 4:47:23pm

re: #457 wrenchwench

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Later, lizards.

That’s one of the best yet wrench. A sure sign you’re feeling better.

Later Lizards. Gonna go do some guitar playing and maybe pound on my drums. My usual Friday night jam partner had to work tonight…and I gots the itch anyway. Habits.

462 De Kolta Chair  Jun 19, 2015 4:49:46pm

re: #461 ObserverArt

and I gots the itch anyway. Habits.

That’s what Betty told Dupree. ;-) Have fun

463 William Lewis  Jun 19, 2015 4:49:50pm

re: #350 HappyWarrior

Oh yeah I agree and understand. It was a tough situation. What infuriates me about the Hayes-Tilden election is how African-Americans were basically sold out so the Republicans could win the election. I actually have to believe that President Grant doesn’t get enough credit. His administration went after the KKK admirably.

That’s WHY he is rated as a “bad” president. He tried to help and did a good job of it. Then it was thrown away as the GOP’s money grubbing core surfaced.

464 #FergusonFireside  Jun 19, 2015 4:50:23pm

re: #459 BeachDem

Thank dog.

465 b.d.  Jun 19, 2015 4:50:37pm

re: #458 The Vicious Babushka

Well Steve Forbes endorses Rand Paul’s tax plan, so it has to be great for everyone! *spit*

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Paul/Forbes 2016!

God help us all

466 b.d.  Jun 19, 2015 4:52:43pm

re: #458 The Vicious Babushka

Well Steve Forbes endorses Rand Paul’s tax plan, so it has to be great for everyone! *spit*

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Why does Rand have Dr. as his Twitter form of address? Doesn’t Senator outrank Doctor?

467 allegro  Jun 19, 2015 4:54:09pm

re: #466 b.d.

Why does Rand have Dr. as his Twitter form of address? Doesn’t Senator outrank Doctor?

He’s a Washington outsider, doncha know.

468 De Kolta Chair  Jun 19, 2015 4:54:43pm

re: #458 The Vicious Babushka

Well Steve Forbes endorses Rand Paul’s tax plan, so it has to be great for everyone! *spit*

Rand Paul, CCPT (Self-Certified Presidential Timber)

469 b.d.  Jun 19, 2015 4:57:15pm

re: #467 allegro

He’s a Washington outsider, doncha know.

I keep forgetting that the son of a congressman who became a Senator is an outsider, thanks for reminding me.

The Pauls have made a nice living at the government trough while simultaneously hoovering in the bucks from the anti-government rubes

470 De Kolta Chair  Jun 19, 2015 4:57:28pm

re: #420 goddamnedfrank

Shoq @Shoq

ChrislHayes works for a network that is red meat for for.

Aretha’s Columbia years are way underestimated imho.

471 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 19, 2015 4:58:29pm

Anybody remember going to school and reading Little Black Sambo?

472 #FergusonFireside  Jun 19, 2015 5:00:13pm

re: #471 Eric The Fruit Bat

Anybody remember going to school and reading Little Black Sambo?

Td no.

473 allegro  Jun 19, 2015 5:00:52pm

re: #471 Eric The Fruit Bat

Anybody remember going to school and reading Little Black Sambo?

Sure do. But we also had Mark Twain to help balance it out. The latter had a much greater impact.

474 Skip Intro  Jun 19, 2015 5:06:15pm

re: #356 DodgerFan1988

I’m getting sick and tired of hearing the conservatives “cars kill more Americans than guns, why don’t we talk about that?” talking point on Facebook, Twitter, and Youtube.

We don’t talk about that because the sole reason cars exist isn’t so they can be used to kill people.

475 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 19, 2015 5:06:48pm

re: #473 allegro

Yeah-There was also some other books I forget the names of that were trying to bend the curve.

476 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 19, 2015 5:07:10pm

re: #443 The Vicious Babushka

And after a 12-part tweet, the grift

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Who in hell would read a 12-part Tweet? I thought that the brevity forced by Twitter’s character limit was supposed to be one of the things that makes Twitter attractive to some people.

477 CuriousLurker  Jun 19, 2015 5:07:56pm

re: #471 Eric The Fruit Bat

Anybody remember going to school and reading Little Black Sambo?

I don’t remember it in school, but I do remember it as a childhood book, but I clearly remember the cover and he wasn’t black, he was Indian (with a turban)… Yep, this is the one I remember.

478 De Kolta Chair  Jun 19, 2015 5:10:47pm

re: #471 Eric The Fruit Bat

Anybody remember going to school and reading Little Black Sambo?

I still have my childhood copy. Speaking of Sambo, I met my wife, who’s African-American, in the early eighties while she was waitressing during the graveyard shift at an all day and night diner in Tucson called Sambo’s (now Chaffin’s Diner) where pancakes were served 24-7. Illustrations from the book lined the walls. Far from being a racist joint, it was a pretty happening place with a crazy clientele that ranged from cops to dealers, hobos to lawyers (forgive the redundancies).
479 klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 19, 2015 5:11:30pm

Distraction for weary Lizards: a Japanese game of collecting cats. Easy enough to figure out, available on both iOS and Android.

480 Eric The Fruit Bat  Jun 19, 2015 5:14:05pm

re: #477 CuriousLurker

Yep-I seem to remember that one, where the tigers chased themselves and turned into butter. Many years later on an old Compuserve forum when some silly lawsuit was brought up, I mentioned half-seriously: “If they chased their tails enough, will they turn into butter?” to which a another Forum participant quipped: “Maybe. BTW, I don’t think you’re allowed to even remember that. (jokingly)” Now he’s a Presbyterian Church USA minister.

481 De Kolta Chair  Jun 19, 2015 5:15:41pm
The interior of Sambo’s, Tucson, AZ circa 1968. Note how in the drawing on the left Sambo was depicted as a stereotypical “Asian.”
482 CuriousLurker  Jun 19, 2015 5:17:29pm

re: #480 Eric The Fruit Bat

Yep-I seem to remember that one, where the tigers chased themselves and turned into butter. Many years later on an old Compuserve forum when some silly lawsuit was brought up, I mentioned half-seriously: “If they chased their tails enough, will they turn into butter?” to which a another Forum participant quipped: “Maybe. BTW, I don’t think you’re allowed to even remember that. (jokingly)” Now he’s a Presbyterian Church USA minister.

LOL—great story, thanks. The tigers turning to butter was definitely the best part.

483 goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2015 5:23:04pm

re: #481 De Kolta Chair

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There’s still one Sambo’s left, the original one in Santa Barbara. I’ve eaten there, they’re totally open about the whole fucked up history.

484 De Kolta Chair  Jun 19, 2015 5:26:59pm

re: #483 goddamnedfrank

There’s still one Sambo’s left, the original one in Santa Barbara. I’ve eaten there, they’re totally open about the whole fucked up history.

Wow, I knew it had been a chain but didn’t know there were any still around. Is it as retro as the one in Tucson, and has John Waters been spotted there? Seems like his kind of place. ;-)

Ahh, sweet memories of dining and dashing, but always leaving a tip of course.

485 De Kolta Chair  Jun 19, 2015 5:35:38pm

Speaking of dining and dashing…

486 retired cynic  Jun 19, 2015 6:54:04pm

re: #427 wrenchwench

With 110 coronets right behind.

I watched it, but was not in it.

Cornets. Not coronets. <grin>


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