A Powerful Statement in Song: Greg Holden, “Boys in the Street”

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LYRICS
When I was younger,
my daddy told me I would never
Never amount to nothing special.
He’d come at me from every angle, he’d say..
You’re the last thing I wanted,
the last thing I need,
how am I going to answer when my friends tell me
My son, was kissing boys in the street

He’d try to change me,
say I’m embarrassing my country,
How could I do this to my family,
do I wanna grow up being lonely,
he’d say We have worked for our money,
we’ve put you in school,
is this how you repay us,
do you think this is cool
My son, stop kissing boys in the street

Now that I’m older,
my daddy’s hearts a little warmer
But he still won’t hug me like my brother,
and he still won’t kiss me like my mother,
he’d say… You are part of this family,
I made you myself,
but the way that you act isn’t good for your health,
My son, stop kissing boys in the street

My daddy’s dying, but he’s finally realized I’m not lying
We sit in silence but we’re smiling,
because for once we are not fighting,
he’d say… There was no way of knowing,
cos all I was taught is men only love women,
but now I’m not sure
My son, keep kissing boys in the street
My son, keep kissing boys in the street
When I’m gone, keep kissing boys in the street

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379 comments
1 teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2015 8:22:23pm

The waxing crescent moon, Venus and Jupiter are stunning tonight. I snapped a poor photo a few minutes ago.

2 The War TARDIS  Jun 19, 2015 8:25:34pm

Someone in Germany needs to learn how to identify objects better.

NEUSS, Germany, June 19 (UPI) — German police said a helicopter crew searching for a reported “lifeless body” rescued a figure clad in “red pants” and “blue outerwear” — a Papa Smurf balloon.

3 William Lewis  Jun 19, 2015 8:28:29pm

re: #1 teleskiguy

The waxing crescent moon, Venus and Jupiter are stunning tonight. I snapped a poor photo a few minutes ago.

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Saw it a moment ago out my window. Nice. And now off to play night clerk yet again for the first semi-big weekend of the season. I’ll check in later.

4 Belafon  Jun 19, 2015 8:28:30pm

re: #1 teleskiguy

The waxing crescent moon, Venus and Jupiter are stunning tonight. I snapped a poor photo a few minutes ago.

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We’re too cloudy tonight, but at dark over the last month you can see Venus, Jupiter, and Saturn. And now the moon. I bought myself a ten inch Dobsonian telescope, and I pull it out at night when I can. I also ask anyone who is outside if they would like to see the planets.

Edit: I also really just want to knock on people’s doors. Ten inches, even though I’m in a suburb, is big enough to see stripes on Jupiter and gaps between Saturn and its rings.

5 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2015 8:29:58pm

Visiting Omani man diagnosed in Thailand with MERS virus.

reuters.com

6 #FergusonFireside  Jun 19, 2015 8:40:57pm

I see it clear. Nice.

7 EmmaAnne  Jun 19, 2015 8:41:01pm

That’s a quite haunting song and video. I am not always a fan of moody acoustic, but that guy brings it home.

8 allegro  Jun 19, 2015 8:41:03pm

re: #4 Belafon

We’re too cloudy tonight, but at dark over the last month you can see Venus, Jupiter, and Saturn. And now the moon. I bought myself a ten inch Dobsonian telescope, and I pull it out at night when I can. I also ask anyone who is outside if they would like to see the planets.

Edit: I also really just want to knock on people’s doors. Ten inches, even though I’m in a suburb, is big enough to see stripes on Jupiter and gaps between Saturn and its rings.

You need to come down here and knock on my door to planet gaze while my neighbor guy is out doing his thing handing out bags of hot, perfectly seasoned popcorn. That would be a perfect evening.

9 b_sharp  Jun 19, 2015 8:41:20pm

re: #4 Belafon

We’re too cloudy tonight, but at dark over the last month you can see Venus, Jupiter, and Saturn. And now the moon. I bought myself a ten inch Dobsonian telescope, and I pull it out at night when I can. I also ask anyone who is outside if they would like to see the planets.

Edit: I also really just want to knock on people’s doors. Ten inches, even though I’m in a suburb, is big enough to see stripes on Jupiter and gaps between Saturn and its rings.

That’s what she said.

10 Mattand  Jun 19, 2015 8:41:47pm

So Rick Perry, Jeb Bush, and the Wall Street Journal are having problems believing that the Charleston murders are racially motivated.

Fuck.

Republicans.

Fuck their party and their mindset. And fuck the people who think these horrible humans should be running my country.

11 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 8:43:29pm

re: #10 Mattand

So Rick Perry, Jeb Bush, and the Wall Street Journal are having problems believing that the Charleston murders are racially motivated.

Fuck.

Republicans.

Fuck their party and their mindset. And fuck the people who think these horrible humans should be running my country.

Don’t forget Santorum too.

12 #FergusonFireside  Jun 19, 2015 8:44:34pm

Nighty. I’m going to dive into fiction. I’m shedding so many tears tonight watching the interviews. Peace and power.

13 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 8:46:24pm

There are actually people on facebook trying to claim that Roof isn’t white. It would be funny if it weren’t pathetic.

14 Timothy Watson  Jun 19, 2015 8:46:25pm

Fucking piece of shit Jeb Bush was really at it today:
Jeb Bush Reminds Conservatives That He ‘Stood’ With Terri Schiavo

He’s reminding people that he violated the rights of the next-of-kind to have the government make end-of-life decisions for someone?

15 allegro  Jun 19, 2015 8:46:37pm

re: #11 HappyWarrior

Don’t forget Santorum too.

I suspect we all want to forget Santorum. If only he would go away.

16 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 8:47:13pm

re: #14 Timothy Watson

Fucking piece of shit Jeb Bush was really at it today:
Jeb Bush Reminds Conservatives That He ‘Stood’ With Terri Schiavo

He’s reminding people that he violated the rights of the next-of-kind to have the government make end-of-life decisions for someone?

Is it any wonder why Michael Schaivo still despises him? What a piece of shit Bush is.

17 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 8:47:26pm

re: #15 allegro

I suspect we all want to forget Santorum. If only he would go away.

indeed.

18 piratedan  Jun 19, 2015 8:47:50pm

re: #13 HappyWarrior

he’s in fact part of the NAACP Charleston chapter, hence this is yet further evidence of black on black crime //////

hell, I halfway expect to see that posted tomorrow

19 allegro  Jun 19, 2015 8:47:54pm

re: #14 Timothy Watson

Fucking piece of shit Jeb Bush was really at it today:
Jeb Bush Reminds Conservatives That He ‘Stood’ With Terri Schiavo

He’s reminding people that he violated the rights of the next-of-kind to have the government make end-of-life decisions for someone?

Please proceed, governor.

20 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 8:48:39pm

I’ll never forget the hell that he put Michael Schiavo through.

21 stpaulbear  Jun 19, 2015 8:51:50pm

I think the verses of that song are really strong (and I can relate), but the ‘stop kissing boys in the street’ chorus is just kind of klunky and forced. I really wanted to like that song - it’s getting a ton of airtime in the Twin Cities - but to me it feels like it wants to be ‘Same Love’ 2015.

22 piratedan  Jun 19, 2015 8:52:58pm

re: #19 allegro

I’m sure he has her vote……..

23 allegro  Jun 19, 2015 8:54:04pm

re: #22 piratedan

I’m sure he has her vote……..

I thought dead people all voted Democrat.

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24 Mattand  Jun 19, 2015 8:54:30pm

I just don’t understand how you can look at Charleston and pretend it wasn’t racially motived.

I mean, what the fuck is there to gain by denying this? If anything, having GOP POTUS candidates jump in and deny this just makes the problem that much worse!

All the screaming from conservatives that they aren’t, at best, clueless morons about race relations is utterly undercut by their supposedly electable moderates lying about the motives behind this massacre.

WTF am I missing here?

25 piratedan  Jun 19, 2015 8:58:25pm

re: #24 Mattand

a case of conservatism cannot fail, it can only be failed… hell have you ever heard a Southerner admit that they were wrong about the lost cause?

26 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 8:59:13pm

re: #24 Mattand

I just don’t understand how you can look at Charleston and pretend it wasn’t racially motived.

I mean, what the fuck is there to gain by denying this? If anything, having GOP POTUS candidates jump in and deny this just makes the problem that much worse!

All the screaming from conservatives that they aren’t, at best, clueless morons about race relations is utterly undercut by their supposedly electable moderates lying about the motives behind this massacre.

WTF am I missing here?

I have no idea. I give up being shocked with the right though.

27 teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2015 9:02:45pm

Oh winter…

28 retired cynic  Jun 19, 2015 9:04:44pm

re: #27 teleskiguy

No, no, no….

29 teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2015 9:06:27pm
30 Jenner7  Jun 19, 2015 9:21:39pm

This is about 20 minutes from me. I’ve gone to their games. What on earth made them think this would be funny??

Orem Owlz announce, then cancel ‘Caucasian Heritage Night’

ksl.com

31 freetoken  Jun 19, 2015 9:28:58pm

re: #30 Jenner7

Lieutenant Governor Spencer Cox spoke to the owner of the Owlz, who canceled the event.

COX WAGING WAR ON WHITES!!!!

32 Belafon  Jun 19, 2015 9:35:18pm

re: #24 Mattand

WTF am I missing here?

Nobody’s perfect, but a lot of us whites here are willing to accept that we’ve benefited from white privilege, and that we have been racist and can still do racist things.

These people do not want to look at themselves that way. They do not want to know what they would see.

33 BeachDem  Jun 19, 2015 9:40:35pm

I’ll preface this comment by saying that I’m all for removing that fucking flag from the State House and I’m glad it finally might happen.

But I’m kind of disgusted that it took what happened in Charleston to get the dolts in Columbia to do something. And the outpouring of admiration for Bannon (R) saying he was going to sponsor a bill is laughable.

Finally a Republican will do something right(we don’t really have enough Democrats to accomplish much of anything) but only because it affects him personally.

“I had a friend die Wednesday night for no reason other than he was a black man. Senator Pinckney was an incredible human being. I don’t want to talk politics but I’m going to introduce the bill for that reason.”

Last year, Vincent Sheheen (running for governor) was joined by the Democratic candidate for lieutenant governor Bakari Sellers and several mayors Wednesday in calling for the removal of the flag. Sheheen becomes the most prominent political voice to call for the flag’s removal NOTE—Joe Riley was one of the mayors.

He was slammed by Republicans (such as Icky Nikki Haley) Haley’s deputy campaign manager Rob Godfrey called Sheheen’s move, about a month before the Nov. 4 election, “desperate and irresponsible.”

Sellers introduced a bill in 2007, his first year in office, to remove the Confederate flag from the State House grounds, but it died in committee.

“Ask the coaches of the major sports teams, ask the presidential candidates who show up here every four years what they think about the Confederate flag on the front lawn of the State House, and we know the answers,” Sheheen said. “I want South Carolina to be celebrated not for the state that left America, but for the best state in America.”

carolinalive.com
thestate.com

Sheheen and Sellers lost and lost badly to Haley and McMaster. It wasn’t just the flag issue for sure, but this sudden burst of righteousness from the right is kind of nauseating. Again I’ll say, I will be glad to see the flag come down, but it is disgusting that this is what it took to make it happen.

34 CuriousLurker  Jun 19, 2015 9:43:59pm

BTW, who is @Shoq anyway and why is he so popular? I’ve seen people RT-ing him since I got on Twitter but…?

I followed him for a short time a few years back, but didn’t find his tweets particularly clever, insightful, or informative so I quit. I don’t get the attraction.

35 CuriousLurker  Jun 19, 2015 9:51:18pm

re: #34 CuriousLurker

Ugh, just peeked at his timeline and I see he’s denying it could be classified as terrorism. Experts beg to disagree.

36 CuriousLurker  Jun 19, 2015 9:54:21pm

Looks like everyone’s pretty much packed it in for the night, so I guess I’ll go watch something on Netflix or Amazon.

Later, lizards.

37 jaunte  Jun 19, 2015 9:55:02pm

re: #35 CuriousLurker

It’s terrorism. The tool doesn’t have to be conscious of that for it to be true.

38 stpaulbear  Jun 19, 2015 10:08:11pm

St. Paul is having our ‘GermanFest’ celebration this weekend on the grounds of an old brewery that’s been turned into housing and support space for artists. I’m just a block away so I walked over this evening for a brat and ice cream (no beer) and checked out the exhibits, food vendors, and a Beatles cover band (Hey, they got their start in Germany).

One of the ‘Fest’ activities is local tours. This neighorhood is incredibly historic (Pierre ‘Pig’s Eye’ Parrant is the first person listed on my house’s title abstract), so it was kind of fun to see one of the tours stop twice (at the corner and then mid block near my garage) to narrate historical points. I know a little bit about the this neighborhood, but there are locals with incredibly deep knowledge of the history here, so I may try to take the tour if it’s offered on saturday or sunday.

39 Dark_Falcon  Jun 19, 2015 10:17:11pm

re: #23 allegro

I thought dead people all voted Democrat.

///

Only in Cook County, Allegro.

40 teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2015 10:25:44pm
41 Dark_Falcon  Jun 19, 2015 10:26:56pm

‘Hero Dog’ award goes to a CAT: Feline Tara gets decorated for THAT heroic moment she saved six-year-old autistic boy from being attacked by a canine

For the first time, a Los Angeles animal shelter’s Hero Dog award has gone to a cat.

In May 2014, Tara the cat fought off a dog that attacked her four-year-old autistic owner as he rode his bicycle in the driveway of the family’s Bakersfield home.

Tara body-slammed Scrappy, an eight-month-old male Labrador-Chow mix that lived next door, when the dog got out of his yard, ran for Jeremy Triantafilo, grabbed his leg and started shaking from side-to-side.

After confronting the dog, Tara then chased him back toward his home

The Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals in Los Angeles gave its annual award to the fearsome feline.

dailymail.co.uk

42 goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2015 10:30:09pm
43 goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2015 10:35:23pm

Random retardation incoming.

44 BeachDem  Jun 19, 2015 10:38:21pm

re: #11 HappyWarrior

Don’t forget Santorum too.

Fuck Lindsey Graham twice, for saying it’s about attacking Christians and for fucking knowing better being from South Carolina.

45 BeachDem  Jun 19, 2015 10:40:59pm

re: #14 Timothy Watson

Fucking piece of shit Jeb Bush was really at it today:
Jeb Bush Reminds Conservatives That He ‘Stood’ With Terri Schiavo

He’s reminding people that he violated the rights of the next-of-kind to have the government make end-of-life decisions for someone?

Wonder if “diagnosis by bogus video” Frist will endorse Jebbie? (Is Frist even still alive—don’t care enough to check.)

46 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 10:47:11pm

re: #44 BeachDem

Fuck Lindsey Graham twice, for saying it’s about attacking Christians and for fucking knowing better being from South Carolina.

Yeah what a fucking asshole.

47 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 10:47:54pm

re: #43 goddamnedfrank

Random retardation incoming.

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Yeah uh no. And cons like to claim they understand business than the left does. Plus the government doesn’t allow threats and that’s CCJ did- assuming that’s what’s being griped about here.

48 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 10:52:22pm

So it seems like I was way off in my theory that Roof had connections to South Africa or Rhodesia. I think it’s equally likely that he had both a racist adult mentor and had an intellectual curiousty about the ideology he espoused.

49 BeachDem  Jun 19, 2015 10:55:03pm

re: #46 HappyWarrior

Yeah what a fucking asshole.

And while we’re at it, triple fuck Mark Sanford—an even bigger asshole.

“I think it’s premature to have a big-scale debate on the flag, on what are we going to do next on gun control, what are we going to do next on race relations, when we’ve not yet even buried the nine tragedies of two nights ago,” he said…

Nine tragedies—ugh. Talk about misusing the word tragedy. No, Markie-Mark—they were PEOPLE and they were BLACK PEOPLE who were killed for being BLACK and to create terror all around, you dickwit. And, of course it’s ALWAYS too soon to fucking talk about anything (except when Mark wants to share his icky “feelings” about shit.)

But when pressed, Sanford declined to label Roof as a terrorist. “He’s a bad guy, and he needs to be brought to justice, that’s all I know,” he said

Got that—he’s a bad guy. Try to control your emotions, you piece o’shit, Sanford.

news.yahoo.com

Spit.

50 piratedan  Jun 19, 2015 10:56:04pm

re: #47 HappyWarrior

hell, they have the same problem with the Constitution….

51 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 10:58:09pm

re: #49 BeachDem

And while we’re at it, triple fuck Mark Sanford—an even bigger asshole.

“I think it’s premature to have a big-scale debate on the flag, on what are we going to do next on gun control, what are we going to do next on race relations, when we’ve not yet even buried the nine tragedies of two nights ago,” he said…

Nine tragedies—ugh. Talk about misusing the word tragedy. No, Markie-Mark—they were PEOPLE and they were BLACK PEOPLE who were killed for being BLACK and to create terror all around, you dickwit. And, of course it’s ALWAYS too soon to fucking talk about anything (except when Mark wants to share his icky “feelings” about shit.)

But when pressed, Sanford declined to label Roof as a terrorist. “He’s a bad guy, and he needs to be brought to justice, that’s all I know,” he said

Got that—he’s a bad guy. Try to control your emotions, you piece o’shit, Sanford.

news.yahoo.com

Spit.

Sheesh. What a fucking asshole. “9 tragedies”? And of course the whining about people talking about gun control which is the same crap that Perry pulled too. These guys always cry about people talking about gun control but notice that they don’t condemn people who blame video games, secularism, abortion, gays, etc but oh no President Obama brought up guns, it’s time to be Pavlov’s Dogs and cry about poor repressed gun owners in this country getting a “bad rap” again.

52 BeachDem  Jun 19, 2015 10:58:40pm

Oh my dog—it just gets worse and worse with Sanford.

Sanford insisted the shooter is an “outlier” and talked about making racial progress in South Carolina in other ways

mediaite.com

SHUT THE FUCK UP, SANFORD. (Still can’t believe he beat Elizabeth Colbert-Busch.)

53 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 10:59:28pm

re: #50 piratedan

hell, they have the same problem with the Constitution….

Oh that goes without saying. Remember their knock on President Obama is that he’s a professor but he’s also a former professor of Constitutional Law meaning he definitely has more experience not just reading the Constitution but also studying and analyzing than TCOT idiots.

54 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 11:01:21pm

re: #52 BeachDem

Oh my dog—it just gets worse and worse with Sanford.

Sanford insisted the shooter is an “outlier” and talked about making racial progress in South Carolina in other ways

mediaite.com

SHUT THE FUCK UP, SANFORD. (Still can’t believe he beat Elizabeth Colbert-Busch.)

He’s such a bullshit artist. Secondly, he should and I bet he does know as your state’s former governor that the flag only really started being part of the state capitol in the 50’s and 60’s as a direct response to the Civil Rights Movement. It’s not about heritage at all. It was about bigots like Sanford’s ideological ancestors trying to intimidate blacks and their progressive white allies from doing Civil Rights work. What a disgrace this guy is. You’re right. It’s a joke that Stephen’s sister lost to him. She would have been much better.

55 Kragar  Jun 19, 2015 11:01:35pm

When 9 people die in a church because of a tornado or a gas leak, its a tragedy.

When 9 people get shot in a Church by a racist spouting white supremacy dogma, its a terrorist attack.

56 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 11:02:22pm

re: #55 Kragar

When 9 people die in a church because of a tornado or a gas leak, its a tragedy.

When 9 people get shot in a Church by a racist spouting white supremacy dogma, its a terrorist attack.

Yep.

57 teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2015 11:03:26pm

re: #55 Kragar

When 9 people die in a church because of a tornado or a gas leak, its a tragedy.

When 9 people get shot in a Church by a racist spouting white supremacy dogma, its a terrorist attack.

58 BeachDem  Jun 19, 2015 11:06:02pm

re: #54 HappyWarrior

He’s such a bullshit artist. Secondly, he should and I bet he does know as your state’s former governor that the flag only really started being part of the state capitol in the 50’s and 60’s as a direct response to the Civil Rights Movement. It’s not about heritage at all. It was about bigots like Sanford’s ideological ancestors trying to intimidate blacks and their progressive white allies from doing Civil Rights work. What a disgrace this guy is. You’re right. It’s a joke that Stephen’s sister lost to him. She would have been much better.

He really needs to shut the fuck up and go find his “soulmate.” (I read somewhere that she’s back in the picture—what a fool she must be.)

When U.S. Rep. Mark Sanford, a Charleston-area resident and former South Carolina governor, was asked on CNN if the state’s troubled history on race relations might have anything to do with this shooting, he said no.

Read more here: charlotteobserver.com

And you’re 100% right—Elizabeth is such a treasure—smart, funny, sincere—of course she lost to the biggest dickweed in the state.

59 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2015 11:06:55pm

re: #43 goddamnedfrank

Also doesn’t quite understand the contractual agreements that are the terms of service and usage rules. Even if the First Amendment applied to corporations like Twitter, by agreeing to the TOS and rules you’re basically agreeing to a limitation of those FA rights.

Similarly, when you sign a contract to be a public school teacher, you agree to restrictions on what you can do or say in the classroom in exchange for employment. Ohio science teacher John Freshwater never quite got that idea through his thick skull.

60 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 11:07:31pm

re: #58 BeachDem

He really needs to shut the fuck up and go find his “soulmate.” (I read somewhere that she’s back in the picture—what a fool she must be.)

When U.S. Rep. Mark Sanford, a Charleston-area resident and former South Carolina governor, was asked on CNN if the state’s troubled history on race relations might have anything to do with this shooting, he said no.

Read more here: charlotteobserver.com

And you’re 100% right—Elizabeth is such a treasure—smart, funny, sincere—of course she lost to the biggest dickweed in the state.

He seems to me to have the worst response of anyone so far though Graham and Perry’s responses were pretty bad too.

61 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 11:09:56pm

I guess the rules are if you’re a Republican elected official are
1.) You can’t believe racism happens to blacks still
2.) You can never discuss guns after an atrocity caused by guns but you can blame everything else in the kitchen sink.

62 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2015 11:10:32pm

The latest “breaking” nwes from gotnwes.com

BREAKING: ‘Paper tiger’ blogger preps libel suit, fails to file in MO court

To the surprise of absolutely no one, the world’s pre-eminent Award Winning JournalistTM — OK, he’s a blogger — Chuck C. Johnson has once again announced a lawsuit and failed to file it in court.
On Thursday, Johnson told The Daily Caller that he would be filing a $66 million dollar libel suit against gawker.com within the hour. However, it had not been filed as of the close of the business day on Friday.

Johnson’s penchant for threatening lawsuits and failing to follow through has inspired a website, chuckcjohnson.info, which includes a counter for the days since his last threat, and a list of incidents.

In March, Johnson announced he and his lawyer had filed a petition with the Missouri supreme court to gain access to the juvenile records of Michael Brown, the African-American man shot dead by a police officer in Ferguson, MO.

It was filed in May, two months later.

63 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 11:13:36pm

re: #62 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The latest “breaking” nwes from gotnwes.com

BREAKING: ‘Paper tiger’ blogger preps libel suit, fails to file in MO court

I forgot to ask you and no biggie if you didn’t but did you listen to CCJ’s voice again and notice if he came off mononish? Frankly I don’t care if he’s on the spectrum or not but I think if he is, that gives me some insight into why he acts the way he does. It’s no excuse of course. Being on the spectrum does not give you the right to use Twitter to harass people and threaten them as he did with Deray.

64 goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2015 11:20:44pm

The Confederate flag was gone from South Carolina for almost 100 years. The State House passed a resolution to bring it back on March 16, 1962, ten months after the first Freedom Ride. They brought it back officially in direct response and in opposition to the Civil Rights Movement. It had nothing whatsoever to do pride or heritage, it was raised again to instill fear.

65 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2015 11:22:06pm

re: #63 HappyWarrior

I forgot to ask you and no biggie if you didn’t but did you listen to CCJ’s voice again and notice if he came off mononish? Frankly I don’t care if he’s on the spectrum or not but I think if he is, that gives me some insight into why he acts the way he does. It’s no excuse of course. Being on the spectrum does not give you the right to use Twitter to harass people and threaten them as he did with Deray.

Yeah, I listened to his interview with @jason Calacanis, and his voice is not monotonal. It sounds quite natural, and in this video appearance, CCJ is less goofy and more sane-looking than when he’s interviewed from his basement home office. What he says is still off the rails, however.

He told Calacanis that, when he was a yoot, his parents took him to two experts: one said he was autistic, and the other said he wasn’t. He admits to having a lack of empathy, but I wonder about that, too. I think he just has a shitty personality.

66 BeachDem  Jun 19, 2015 11:23:34pm

re: #60 HappyWarrior

He seems to me to have the worst response of anyone so far though Graham and Perry’s responses were pretty bad too.

And fucking Sanford is from Charleston—it’s his district.

He truly is the dimmest bulb on the planet—and also the most self-centered asshole around—he truly only cares about his own little orbit—he could give Trump a run for his money on egoism, except Trump has a bigger mouth. Remember, before the whole Appalachian Trail story, this asswipe was considered presidential material by Republicans.

67 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 11:25:51pm

re: #65 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Yeah, I listened to his interview with @jason Calacanis, and his voice is not monotonal. It sounds quite natural, and in this video appearance, CCJ is less goofy and more sane-looking than when he’s interviewed from his basement home office. What he says is still off the rails, however.

He told Calacanis that, when he was a yoot, his parents took him to two experts: one said he was autistic, and the other said he wasn’t. He admits to having a lack of empathy, but I wonder about that, too. I think he just has a shitty personality.

I think so too. Could be a lot of self fulfilling prophecies with him. Either way, he’s a dick.

68 teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2015 11:33:06pm

re: #64 goddamnedfrank

The Confederate flag was gone from South Carolina for almost 100 years. The State House passed a resolution to bring it back on March 16, 1962, ten months after the first Freedom Ride. They brought it back officially in direct response and in opposition to the Civil Rights Movement. It had nothing whatsoever to do pride or heritage, it was raised again to instill fear.

69 BeachDem  Jun 19, 2015 11:33:55pm

re: #63 HappyWarrior

I forgot to ask you and no biggie if you didn’t but did you listen to CCJ’s voice again and notice if he came off mononish? Frankly I don’t care if he’s on the spectrum or not but I think if he is, that gives me some insight into why he acts the way he does. It’s no excuse of course. Being on the spectrum does not give you the right to use Twitter to harass people and threaten them as he did with Deray.

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70 teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2015 11:38:12pm

My #68 was edited. I added an image to the tweet.

71 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2015 11:39:47pm

I’ve recently been re-reading the original Jurassic Park. Stands up pretty well even after almost 25 years.

72 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2015 11:43:00pm

Speaking of CCJ:

73 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2015 11:44:41pm

re: #71 Eclectic Cyborg

I’ve recently been re-reading the original Jurassic Park. Stands up pretty well even after almost 25 years.

The movie is still OK, too.

74 goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2015 11:45:38pm

Shoq’s been arguing (pedantically) for hours now against considering Roof a terrorist / his attack as a terrorist attack. He’s setting up a hot take factory production line. It’s kind of amazing.

75 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 19, 2015 11:49:09pm

Man the old CCJ would have been all over Dolezal and Charleston.

Part of me almost, ALMOST misses him, but only for the perverse entertainment value of some of his posts.

76 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2015 11:49:23pm

re: #74 goddamnedfrank

Shoq’s been arguing (pedantically) for hours now against considering Roof a terrorist / his attack as a terrorist attack. He’s setting up a hot take factory production line. It’s kind of amazing.

Why is he being so belligerent about this? Roof planned it, carried it out, left one survivor to convey his message, then fled the scene. It’s pretty clear he intended to induce fear in the local AA community, and maybe expected to escape to repeat the action somewhere else.

77 goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2015 11:51:21pm
78 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 11:52:14pm

re: #69 BeachDem

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79 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2015 11:52:50pm

re: #75 Eclectic Cyborg

Man the old CCJ would have been all over Dolezal and Charleston.

Part of me almost, ALMOST misses him, but only for the perverse entertainment value of some of his posts.

I’m sure he’s pacing the house and driving his in-laws crazy with his ranting. So much news, and no Twitter access to drive people to his lame blog.

80 goddamnedfrank  Jun 19, 2015 11:53:51pm

re: #76 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Why is he being so belligerent about this? Roof planned it, carried it out, left one survivor to convey his message, then fled the scene. It’s pretty clear he intended to induce fear in the local AA community, and maybe expected to escape to repeat the action somewhere else.

81 teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2015 11:53:58pm

re: #72 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I read your @/jason interview piece.

I wish I could write like you. Seriously. You’re talented.

82 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 11:54:04pm

I am glad he’s gone since he was harassing people.

83 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 19, 2015 11:56:36pm

re: #81 teleskiguy

I read your @/jason interview piece.

I wish I could write like you. Seriously. You’re talented.

Thanks. Just years of practice. I was a journalist before I was a teacher.

84 teleskiguy  Jun 19, 2015 11:57:35pm

re: #76 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Why is he being so belligerent about this? Roof planned it, carried it out, left one survivor to convey his message, then fled the scene. It’s pretty clear he intended to induce fear in the local AA community, and maybe expected to escape to repeat the action somewhere else.

One of the facts that caught my eye in re: Dylann Roof’s capture was he told one of his captors that he was on his way to Nashville, TN. The captor asked why Nashville? He answered “I’ve never been to Nashville before.”

85 HappyWarrior  Jun 19, 2015 11:59:37pm

re: #83 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Thanks. Just years of practice. I was a journalist before I was a teacher.

I don’t think I ever asked you but what do you teach out of curiosity? We always had a good number of Chinese exchange students at GMU while I was there. I didn’t get to know any of them since most of them were enrolled in our business or economics program and I was a history major but I am thinking about your experiences as an American teaching in China and then thinking about their experiences as Chinese students in America. I actually did study abroad myself but it was a month only and American similarities with Irish culture are far more closer to that of American and Chinese.

86 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 12:00:18am

re: #84 teleskiguy

One of the facts that caught my eye in re: Dylann Roof’s capture was he told one of his captors that he was on his way to Nashville, TN. The captor asked why Nashville? He answered “I’ve never been to Nashville before.”

Sometimes the most extraordinary answer is the most ordinary one.

87 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 20, 2015 12:00:50am

re: #80 goddamnedfrank

So, you reckon @Shoq believes there is no such thing as a white domestic terrorist?

The FBI and the DOJ would beg to differ.

88 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 20, 2015 12:03:28am

re: #85 HappyWarrior

I don’t think I ever asked you but what do you teach out of curiosity? We always had a good number of Chinese exchange students at GMU while I was there. I didn’t get to know any of them since most of them were enrolled in our business or economics program and I was a history major but I am thinking about your experiences as an American teaching in China and then thinking about their experiences as Chinese students in America. I actually did study abroad myself but it was a month only and American similarities with Irish culture are far more closer to that of American and Chinese.

Here in China, I teach spoken English and listening comprehension, mostly. But I’ve also been called on to teach writing, British lit, Western culture and public speaking. In the States, I mostly taught high school physics, including AP, and sometimes math.

89 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 12:06:13am

re: #88 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Here in China, I teach spoken English and listening comprehension, mostly. But I’ve also been called on to teach writing, British lit, Western culture and public speaking. In the States, I mostly taught high school physics, including AP, and sometimes math.

oh okay. That sounds interesting especially Western culture. As a former English minor, I am genuinely curious who you’re having them read because I imagine someone like Orwell would be off limits. I to my regret have not read much British lit. Most of my favorite writers are American interwar writers from the 20’s and 50’s.

90 William Lewis  Jun 20, 2015 12:06:20am

re: #73 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The movie is still OK, too.

For someone who loved using SGI workstations, it’s a depressing reminder that Redmond won.

91 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 12:09:10am

I’m honestly relieved that there hasn’t been any rumors about Roof having Asper’ger’s or anything like that. Lanza, Rodger, and I think Holmes too were ASD diagnosed. I mean I know it shouldn’t matter but I always do worry a little about stigmas going to people on the spectrum when a mass shooter is revealed to have ASD. Disclosing my ASD diagnosis has always been a point of great internal debate whether that’s for a job interview or a date. I’ve come to the conclusion that I can be pretty open about it since most people are cool. And I think by being open about it, they’ll see that we’re individuals.

92 goddamnedfrank  Jun 20, 2015 12:10:38am

re: #87 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

So, you reckon @Shoq believes there is no such thing as a white domestic terrorist?

The FBI and the DOJ would beg to differ.

No, he seems to, admits the KKK qualifies. He’s just being as pedantic as he can be, arguing entirely that there’s an organizational component to true terrorism that Roof doesn’t meet.

It’s nonsense. There’s nothing in the formal definition of terrorism that requires it be carried out by an organized group. He’s just insisting on the inclusion of his own additional criteria to the definition and arguing on that basis alone. It’s really weird.

Like I said, obstinate.

93 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 20, 2015 12:14:39am

re: #92 goddamnedfrank

No, he seems to, admits the KKK qualifies. He’s just being as pedantic as he can be, arguing entirely that there’s an organizational component to true terrorism that Roof doesn’t meet.

It’s nonsense. There’s nothing in the formal definition of terrorism that requires it be carried out by an organized group. He’s just insisting on the inclusion of his own additional criteria to the definition and arguing on that basis alone. It’s really weird.

Like I said, obstinate.

Reports in media said Roof spent a lot of time alone on the computer. It’s possible he hooked up with some organization that encouraged him to commit this crime.

94 piratedan  Jun 20, 2015 12:15:06am

with the PD recanting that Roof confessed, I still expect the RWNJ machine to start attacking the veracity and character of the survivors

95 goddamnedfrank  Jun 20, 2015 12:15:37am

This is what I’m talking about.

Roof’s explicit intent to instill terror in his survivor and the black population is less important somehow than the fact he carried out his attack by himself.

This taxonomical argument is somehow important enough to carry on for hours now because reasons.

96 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 12:17:58am

re: #93 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Reports in media said Roof spent a lot of time alone on the computer. It’s possible he hooked up with some organization that encouraged him to commit this crime.

That probably would explain how he was able to learn about the Rhodesian and apartheid government. Story is he was a 10th grade drop out right? Not sure how South Carolina does it but in 10th grade here, we cover world history from the Renaissance to the present. Apartheid did get mentioned but I have no idea what SC’s historyl curriculum looks like. I think knowing now that he doesn’t have family connections to South Africa and Rhodesia that he grew up hearing racist crap and expanded on it.

97 goddamnedfrank  Jun 20, 2015 12:18:20am

re: #95 goddamnedfrank

That’s not even intellectually honest either. There was absolutely nothing “random” about what Roof said to his victims. It’s wasn’t some Borderlands Psycho level insane gibberish, it was deliberate and intentional as all hell.

98 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 12:19:05am

re: #95 goddamnedfrank

This is what I’m talking about.

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Roof’s explicit intent to instill terror in his survivor and the black population is less important somehow than the fact he carried out his attack by himself.

This taxonomical argument is somehow important enough to carry on for hours now because reasons.

How the hell is it a “random comment”? Man some people just have their heads in the sand.

99 goddamnedfrank  Jun 20, 2015 12:19:11am

re: #96 HappyWarrior

That probably would explain how he was able to learn about the Rhodesian and apartheid government. Story is he was a 10th grade drop out right? Not sure how South Carolina does it but in 10th grade here, we cover world history from the Renaissance to the present. Apartheid did get mentioned but I have no idea what SC’s historyl curriculum looks like. I think knowing now that he doesn’t have family connections to South Africa and Rhodesia that he grew up hearing racist crap and expanded on it.

Stormfront is busy scouring their servers tying to figure out which account belonged to Roof.

100 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 12:19:43am

re: #99 goddamnedfrank

Stormfront is busy scouring their servers tying to figure out which account belonged to Roof.

Yeah I would not be shocked if he were a member.

101 goddamnedfrank  Jun 20, 2015 12:22:35am

re: #100 HappyWarrior

Yeah I would not be shocked if he were a member.

I’d all but guarantee that he spent significant time both there and at Occidental Dissent.

102 teleskiguy  Jun 20, 2015 12:23:12am

re: #97 goddamnedfrank

There was absolutely nothing “random” about what Roof said to his victims. It’s wasn’t some Borderlands Psycho level insane gibberish, it was deliberate and intentional as all hell.

QFT

This is the most infamous white-on-black atrocity in modern times. I’m still trying to wrap my mind around it. What a devious act of violence! Such evil!

EDIT: First sentence in this comment is hyperbole. I admit, it’s not true.

103 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 12:23:58am

I still can’t get over the many Republican politicians and I already know why mind you but that just can’t bring themselves to say “This was an act motivated by racism.” Said earlier, it seems that Republicans are too chicken shit ever to say that blacks still suffer from racism in this country (the rare times they do, it’s some cheap bit about how Democrats are the real racists because of entitlement programs) and secondly they have a tendency to go apeshit the second someone points out that massacres like these are easily aided by guns and the easy access to guns. I think Perry even accused the WH of “overreacting.”

104 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 12:24:51am

re: #101 goddamnedfrank

I’d all but guarantee that he spent significant time both there and at Occidental Dissent.

Yeah if not as a poster, certainly as a lurker. I don’t know OD. Is that another Don Black project?

105 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 12:27:08am

The saddest thing for me in the story is reading about how kind they were to him when he came in. And there’s the bit where he’s apparently told police that he “almost” reconsidered because they were so nice to him. So he for at least a second saw beyond the hate that he had bought and saw them as people just like him, you, and me and then he still began firing. I can’t wrap my mind over that. And that alone is why I don’t like calling him “mentally ill”, this was a cold and calculated murder spree.

106 goddamnedfrank  Jun 20, 2015 12:31:39am

re: #104 HappyWarrior

Yeah if not as a poster, certainly as a lurker. I don’t know OD. Is that another Don Black project?

It’s run by a guy named Hunter Wallace, one of Chuck’s buddies. Blatant racist and anti-semite. OD is often cited by Kali Yuga Surfer, who I’m 90% sure writes there as Guillaume Durocher.

Donotlink

Apparently it got so bad tonight that he had to shut down his comment section. Which means it was really, really, amazingly fucking awful, because that place is a total goddamned cesspool.

107 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 12:31:56am

The other thing that continues to just frustrate me are the lengths the right will go to blame anything but racism or easy access to guns. You had Erick Erickson actually bringing up Caitlyn Jenner. I mean the issue is staring at you in the face and wearing patches for two modern white separatist regimes and has the license holder for a society founded to protect slavery and yes it is a racist symbol, it’s not heritage at all. I also notice right wingers cry about this being “politicized” but notice they’re only directing that those of us who rightfully point out the role of race and that he should have never been able to have access to a gun with his pending felony charges. They don’t direct that at those who blame transgendered people, video games, music (though I am hearing that he liked white power music which is a disgusting industry), abortion, etc.

108 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 12:33:21am

re: #106 goddamnedfrank

It’s run by a guy named Hunter Wallace, one of Chuck’s buddies. Blatant racist and anti-semite. OD is often cited by Kali Yuga Surfer, who I’m 90% sure writes there as Guillaume Durocher.

Donotlink

Apparently it got so bad tonight that he had to shut down his comment section. Which means it was really, really, amazingly fucking awful, because that place is a total goddamned cesspool.

Ah okay. Never heard of them. Sounds awful. I sadly think in a way our increased connections to each other has also increased racism. Racists are more connected now than they ever have been. Now the positive side is people like you, me, and our fellow posters are more linked than ever too.

109 goddamnedfrank  Jun 20, 2015 12:36:18am

E la nave va

110 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 12:36:34am

We wear the mask that grins and lies,
It hides our cheeks and shades our eyes,—
This debt we pay to human guile;
With torn and bleeding hearts we smile,
And mouth with myriad subtleties.

Why should the world be over-wise,
In counting all our tears and sighs?
Nay, let them only see us, while
We wear the mask.

We smile, but, O great Christ, our cries
To thee from tortured souls arise.
We sing, but oh the clay is vile
Beneath our feet, and long the mile;
But let the world dream otherwise,
We wear the mask!

Always thought this Dunbar poem was beautiful.

111 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 12:38:32am

re: #109 goddamnedfrank

E la nave va

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Maybe if he were a turban and said some similar threatening things Arabic to some middle aged white people, he’d change his tune. Goddamnit, this certainly was terrorism. I think Ski made the point the night that it happened that this is a lot like the Birmingham church bombing 52 years ago.

112 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 20, 2015 12:43:47am

re: #96 HappyWarrior

That probably would explain how he was able to learn about the Rhodesian and apartheid government. Story is he was a 10th grade drop out right? Not sure how South Carolina does it but in 10th grade here, we cover world history from the Renaissance to the present. Apartheid did get mentioned but I have no idea what SC’s historyl curriculum looks like. I think knowing now that he doesn’t have family connections to South Africa and Rhodesia that he grew up hearing racist crap and expanded on it.

Rhodesia and South Africa would be part of “world history,” which in many schools is taught in the 9th or 10th grade. American history is generally taught in the 11th grade. Neither Rhodesia or South Africa would be important parts of the course, I would imagine, given that world history would also need to cover ancient civilizations, European history, colonial expansion and so on. The only way he’d have likely learned details about Rhodesia and SA would be on his own, or through association with “fanboys” of both white minority regimes.

113 Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2015 12:46:31am

re: #111 HappyWarrior

Maybe if he were a turban and said some similar threatening things Arabic to some middle aged white people, he’d change his tune. Goddamnit, this certainly was terrorism. I think Ski made the point the night that it happened that this is a lot like the Birmingham church bombing 52 years ago.

Which of course reminded me of this from Sacha Baron Cohen.

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114 TedStriker  Jun 20, 2015 12:47:42am

re: #84 teleskiguy

One of the facts that caught my eye in re: Dylann Roof’s capture was he told one of his captors that he was on his way to Nashville, TN. The captor asked why Nashville? He answered “I’ve never been to Nashville before.”

As a Nashvillian, I’m glad the cops caught him before he got here; I can see him going crazy here too.

*spit*

115 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 20, 2015 12:49:07am

re: #105 HappyWarrior

The saddest thing for me in the story is reading about how kind they were to him when he came in. And there’s the bit where he’s apparently told police that he “almost” reconsidered because they were so nice to him. So he for at least a second saw beyond the hate that he had bought and saw them as people just like him, you, and me and then he still began firing. I can’t wrap my mind over that. And that alone is why I don’t like calling him “mentally ill”, this was a cold and calculated murder spree.

There’s a sacred bond between guest and host that is ancient in all human civilizations. For a host to kill a guest, or a guest to kill a host was an atrocity that was met with the most severe of punishments.

116 goddamnedfrank  Jun 20, 2015 12:53:27am

re: #112 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Rhodesia and South Africa would be part of “world history,” which in many schools is taught in the 9th or 10th grade.

Roof dropped out after the 9th grade, never went back, never got a GED. I think we can put to bed the idea that school is what sparked his interest in Rhodesia and apartheid era SA.

117 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 1:05:53am

re: #112 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Rhodesia and South Africa would be part of “world history,” which in many schools is taught in the 9th or 10th grade. American history is generally taught in the 11th grade. Neither Rhodesia or South Africa would be important parts of the course, I would imagine, given that world history would also need to cover ancient civilizations, European history, colonial expansion and so on. The only way he’d have likely learned details about Rhodesia and SA would be on his own, or through association with “fanboys” of both white minority regimes.

We didn’t learn about Rhodesia just SA. I think he definitely learned about this stuff on his own or through yes other bigots.

118 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 1:06:12am

re: #113 Dr Lizardo

Which of course reminded me of this from Sacha Baron Cohen.

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Heh he’s good.

119 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 20, 2015 1:06:28am

re: #112 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Rhodesia and South Africa would be part of “world history,” which in many schools is taught in the 9th or 10th grade. American history is generally taught in the 11th grade. Neither Rhodesia or South Africa would be important parts of the course, I would imagine, given that world history would also need to cover ancient civilizations, European history, colonial expansion and so on. The only way he’d have likely learned details about Rhodesia and SA would be on his own, or through association with “fanboys” of both white minority regimes.

Well, of course I never learned anything about it in school—that’s a given on most subjects—but I did read up a lot on South Africa and the history that lead up to the situation there. I was, what, 14? when Hendrik Verwoerd was assassinated, and that got my attention.

I kept my eye on things in South Africa and Rhodesia for many years, not because I was an Apartheid fanboy, but because I saw it as a looming bloodbath that I didn’t want to contemplate. I wasn’t as worried as I should have been, probably, about the Cold War (until Ronnie Ray-Gun came along) because I saw the Soviet Union as too conservative to do anything too rash, and I thought the US government was sane. (Silly me.)

When peace broke out in South Africa, it was as close to a miracle as I’ve seen. It may be silly, but it gives me a little bit of hope for things here. Sure, there a lot of racist assholes, but I honestly think they’re fewer than they used to be while at the same time becoming worse, due to the right-wing media and the internet and so on.

I hope a sudden sea change like what happened in South Africa is possible here. An awful lot of people are much less racist than they were 50 or 60 years ago, even as the bittereinders have gotten more virulent. I think it’s possible that there may be more violence, and worse violence, and that’s too bad, but it’s my hope that this will make public opinion finally turn against the jerkwads.

Or, a Republican could win in 2016 and turn this into Ian Smith’s Rhodesia—I suppose that’s equally likely.

120 goddamnedfrank  Jun 20, 2015 1:07:20am
121 Targetpractice  Jun 20, 2015 1:12:43am

re: #120 goddamnedfrank

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Oh goodie, now we’ll get to hear wingnuts blame Roof’s actions on a “broken home” and portray his descent into drugs and finally murder as a further indictment of liberal policies.

122 goddamnedfrank  Jun 20, 2015 1:15:09am
123 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 20, 2015 1:25:25am

It’s bad enough that the South Carolina State House has the Beauregard Flag flying over it, but the official state flag of Mississippi actually incorporates it:

While the state flag of Georgia actually is, fucking literally, the fucking Stars and Bars! (with a little extra crap in the middle):

First things first. It’s time to tell these crackers they lost….

124 goddamnedfrank  Jun 20, 2015 1:26:18am
125 goddamnedfrank  Jun 20, 2015 2:12:42am

Why do I feel I know him? Because if there’s something special about the social media age, it’s the fact that we can interact with people from other countries in revolutionary new ways.

The other day on Twitter, I met a very angry American who was absolutely convinced that “white genocide” is happening in South Africa, (I’ve met more than a few Americans who buy into this myth lately) and who seemed very upset with me for being a white South African who wasn’t currently being “genocided”.

…

I explained that I was a white South African and that he had been misinformed, but this man who had never left America, never mind visited South Africa, was so sold on this image of a country of oppressed whites that he wasn’t going to allow little things like “facts” and “information” get in the way of this view.

At first he adopted a patronising, almost kindly tone, and tried to explain that obviously I was a victim of government propaganda hiding the truth, but when I continued to deny that there’s a wide-spread white genocide in South Africa, he became almost frighteningly angry.

I was warned that I would be brutally raped and murdered soon. (I find it amusing that the only people who have threatened me with violence from black people have been white people.) This person also (hilariously) hinted that very soon I would be put on an actual trial by some international governing body and punished for, essentially, the crime of being a white traitor.

126 goddamnedfrank  Jun 20, 2015 2:44:18am
“A sick and deranged man went and prayed for an hour with the congregants in an historically black church and then, for reasons that we don’t fully understand murdered nine innocent souls,” Cruz said of Dylann Roof, who was charged with nine counts of murder. The nine victims were shot Wednesday night inside Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, the South’s oldest African American church.

#wejustdontknow

Also those derned Democrats are tryin’ to taker yer gunz!

Gawd what an insufferable dicklick.

127 RadicalModerate  Jun 20, 2015 2:46:08am

After listening to the reactions for the past two days, the right-wing mindset can be boiled down to two simple statements.

1. 12-year old Tamir Rice is considered a thug who was man enough -and deserved - to be shot down in broad daylight,
2. 21-year old Dylann Roof is a confused kid who didn’t know any better, and deserves sympathy.

128 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 20, 2015 3:08:00am

re: #125 goddamnedfrank

Funny thing. I lived in South Africa and was also not “genocided” for being white. I guess I was one of the lucky ones.
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129 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 20, 2015 3:09:24am

re: #120 goddamnedfrank

Roof Senior may not be an Afrikaner, but he could sure pass for one.

130 Romantic Heretic  Jun 20, 2015 3:31:11am

re: #115 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

There’s a sacred bond between guest and host that is ancient in all human civilizations. For a host to kill a guest, or a guest to kill a host was an atrocity that was met with the most severe of punishments.

I remember that Idi Amin converted to Islam because no Muslim can turn another away when asked to be a host. It’s why Amin died in Saudi Arabia.

131 Teukka  Jun 20, 2015 3:31:41am

This just came across my news feeds.

An NRA board member blamed the pastor killed in Charleston for the deaths of his members

What the fuck is this shit, I can’t even…

132 unproven innocence  Jun 20, 2015 3:40:52am

re: #125 goddamnedfrank

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Good find, I think.

133 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 20, 2015 4:04:29am

re: #131 Teukka

This just came across my news feeds.

An NRA board member blamed the pastor killed in Charleston for the deaths of his members

What the fuck is this shit, I can’t even…

Classic case of DARVO:
Deny
Attack
Reverse
Victim and
Offender

134 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 20, 2015 4:09:39am

An old friend of mine is Charleston now and posted some photos on Facebook of the community coming together to mourn and honor the victims at the church. Many, many flowers and tributes have been left by people of all colors.

Dylann Roof’s message may turn out to be the opposite of what he intended. Instead of dividing Charleston, he may have united it.

135 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 4:12:14am

re: #34 CuriousLurker

BTW, who is @Shoq anyway and why is he so popular? I’ve seen people RT-ing him since I got on Twitter but…?

I followed him for a short time a few years back, but didn’t find his tweets particularly clever, insightful, or informative so I quit. I don’t get the attraction.

It was my intention to ask exactly this. Who is it, aside from being a person with an opinion at twitter?

136 Timothy Watson  Jun 20, 2015 4:19:11am

re: #109 goddamnedfrank

E la nave va

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The FBI defines terrorism as:

“Domestic terrorism” means activities with the following three characteristics:

Involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;

Appear intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination. or kidnapping; and

Occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S.

fbi.gov

137 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2015 5:10:04am

Started raining here in the backwoods yesterday afternoon.
So far, the gauge is reading 1.33 inches and it’s going to keep on raining all day. We have a flash flood watch until 10 p.m.

sigh

138 PhillyPretzel  Jun 20, 2015 5:29:45am

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

Do not feel bad Philly is under a flood watch until 8:00 pm tomorrow.

weather.gov

139 Varek Raith  Jun 20, 2015 5:40:27am

Tried beef brisket for the first time.
Yum.

140 Doofus  Jun 20, 2015 5:41:07am

Time to put cash under the mattress. I am going to beat the system and buy a bunch of mattresses and sell them at inflated prices!

141 Varek Raith  Jun 20, 2015 5:46:27am

Sigh.
Good thing I kept the sump pump set up.

142 Doofus  Jun 20, 2015 5:52:01am

World oldest person lives in Brooklyn NY, at 115 years old. God bless her.

144 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2015 6:02:11am
145 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2015 6:24:08am

Apparently, there has been an UpChuck sighting.

146 Dark_Falcon  Jun 20, 2015 6:27:41am

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

Apparently, there has been an UpChuck sighting.

Can’t be him, that guy is sitting and talking to three other guys. UpChuck is too repellant to hold a normal conversation.

147 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 20, 2015 6:29:50am

BBC: Charleston shooting: Who are US white supremacists?
bbc.com

148 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 6:38:01am

re: #146 Dark_Falcon

Can’t be him, that guy is sitting and talking to three other guys. UpChuck is too repellant to hold a normal conversation.

149 Varek Raith  Jun 20, 2015 6:39:15am

He just can’t help himself, can he?

150 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 20, 2015 6:40:42am

re: #146 Dark_Falcon

Can’t be him, that guy is sitting and talking to three other guys. UpChuck is too repellant to hold a normal conversation.

The thing is, I suspect he acts like a relatively normal person until the conversation tuns to his favorite subjects. During his interview in Jason Calacanis’ studio, CCJ was much more “normal” and reasonable than when Milo interviewed him over Google meetup (or whatever it’s called now) and CCJ was in his home office. During the Milo interview, he acted goofy and emotional.

Even so, he told Jason the same stuff he told Milo, pretty much. It’s those roving packs of Social Justice Warriors that got him off Twitter, Twitter’s bosses are beholden to Teh libruls and SJWs, and also Twitter is cozy with the government, and they’re all trying to keep him from doing jurnalizm.

151 nicdanger  Jun 20, 2015 6:41:25am

“Nick Danger has left the office”

R.I.P. Phil Austin,1941-2015

152 piratedan  Jun 20, 2015 6:43:00am

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

I hope this becomes a thing… they can’t be any more entrenched than they are already over this shit, might as well show them that they are in the fucking wrong, yet again.

153 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 20, 2015 6:43:12am

re: #151 nicdanger

“Nick Danger has left the office”

R.I.P. Phil Austin,1941-2015

Sorry to hear it.

154 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2015 6:48:47am

re: #148 Nyet

155 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 6:57:10am

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

Still not sure what event that is.

156 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2015 7:00:05am

re: #155 Nyet

Still not sure what event that is.

Something to do with gamergaters, it looks like.

157 Dave In Austin  Jun 20, 2015 7:07:25am

Most Excellent!!

158 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2015 7:41:23am

re: #155 Nyet

Still not sure what event that is.

yep, Gamergate meetup in LA on Thursday.

159 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2015 7:47:37am

re: #158 Backwoods_Sleuth

yep, Gamergate meetup in LA on Thursday.

And a much earlier tweet.

160 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2015 7:49:17am
161 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2015 7:54:35am

sigh

162 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 7:56:41am

lastrhodesian.com

Seems like it’s probably genuine. Definitely photos of Roof.

163 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 7:58:05am

re: #161 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s wrong about the whois - it’s anonymous and appears to be hosted in Russia.

164 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 7:59:10am

re: #155 Nyet

Still not sure what event that is.

It’s GamerGate LA.

165 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 20, 2015 8:00:14am

re: #162 Charles Johnson

lastrhodesian.com

Seems like it’s probably genuine. Definitely photos of Roof.

Did he leave it there as some kind of posthumous explanation for his actions, but then decided not to kill himself?

166 Dark_Falcon  Jun 20, 2015 8:01:05am

re: #164 Charles Johnson

It’s GamerGate LA.

It figures people attending an event like that would want that sick freak around.

167 JadeHelmCurious  Jun 20, 2015 8:02:29am

Wow, great song, video, and lyrics. Very emotionally powerful.

Now for some more bullshit:
Charleston Suspect’s Cousin: Black Man Stole Roof’s Love Interest

Totally taps into the psychosexuality of black men stealing white women. Putrid yuck.

168 Dark_Falcon  Jun 20, 2015 8:09:12am

re: #167 JadeHelmCurious

Wow, great song, video, and lyrics. Very emotionally powerful.

Now for some more bullshit:
Charleston Suspect’s Cousin: Black Man Stole Roof’s Love Interest

Totally taps into the psychosexuality of black men stealing white women. Putrid yuck.

Fuck Glenn Greenwald!
Fuck Glenn Greenwald!!
And for a third time,
FUCK GLENN GREENWALD!!!

Sorry, but I needed that.
I wonder how much Russia paid him to inject that poison into the Internet. Goddamn toxic racism like that just got 9 people killed and Greenwald repeats it?! This stunt of his isn’t as damaging as Snowden, but its even more hateful.

169 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2015 8:11:59am

re: #163 Charles Johnson

He’s wrong about the whois - it’s anonymous and appears to be hosted in Russia.

All of the contact information is in Australia.
Date created is February 9, 2015.
Very odd.

170 JadeHelmCurious  Jun 20, 2015 8:12:21am
The Wall Street Journal reported that Roof’s family had grown concerned over the last two months as his racist views started to boil over. “He apparently told people that he was involved in groups, racist groups,” said a woman who identified herself as the mother of Roof’s former stepmother. “He turned into a loner in the last couple of years and no one knew why. He just fell off the grid somehow.”

Roof’s uncle Charles Cowles told Reuters that Roof’s father, Ben, gave the alleged killer a .45 caliber pistol for his birthday earlier this year. Police have not disclosed what sort of firearm was used in the shootings.

The ‘family grew concerned’ yet Daddy decided to give him a gun for his birthday.

Think about that for a moment.

171 JadeHelmCurious  Jun 20, 2015 8:15:47am

I’m going to show this Greg Holden video to Wifey. She’ll bawl… that’s why I love her.

Great post Charles, win.

172 JadeHelmCurious  Jun 20, 2015 8:17:55am
173 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 8:25:50am

re: #160 Backwoods_Sleuth

Is that 88?

174 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2015 8:27:04am

re: #173 Nyet

Is that 88?

Looks like it is.

Here’s another 88 reference:

175 Dark_Falcon  Jun 20, 2015 8:28:09am

re: #173 Nyet

Is that 88?

It is. Neo-Nazi code for ‘HH’, which is itself code for ‘Heil Hitler’. I know you knew, Sergey, but I wanted to spell it out in case others did not know.

Edited.

176 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 8:31:39am

re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth

All of the contact information is in Australia.
Date created is February 9, 2015.
Very odd.

The contact info is for the anonymous hosting service.

177 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 8:32:11am

re: #174 Backwoods_Sleuth

The text file with his “manifesto” is called rtf88.txt

So, a neo-Nazi neo-Confederate, as most of us suspected.

178 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 8:34:07am
179 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 8:34:57am

re: #178 Charles Johnson

New excuse coming: he was a Nazi, therefore left-wing.

You know they will say that.

180 unproven innocence  Jun 20, 2015 8:35:08am

re: #162 Charles Johnson

lastrhodesian.com

Seems like it’s probably genuine. Definitely photos of Roof.

Using IDServe.exe utility from grc[dot]com to query that server reveals an interesting timestamp: Last-Modified: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 21:12:09 GMT
Since Eastern Daylight Time is GMT-4, that would be 5:12:09pm, EDT.
About 3 hours before he entered the church.

181 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 20, 2015 8:35:51am

re: #178 Charles Johnson

They’ll argue it’s
(a) a false flag
(b) been planted by someone else
(c) proof he was a “troubled youth.”
(d) all of the above.

182 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 8:37:25am

rhodesiawassuper. com/Ian-Douglas-Smith-THE-LAST-RHODESIAN-4-cds_p_61.html

183 JadeHelmCurious  Jun 20, 2015 8:39:59am

Take a look at Fox News Insider headlines:

Sen. Scott: Obama Is ‘Off Base’ With Gun Violence Comments
Fox News Hosts Share Their Dads’ Best Advice & Some Great Photos
See O’Reilly’s Response to Obama Playing ‘the Anti-Gun Card’
Gutfeld Takes on Politicization of SC Church Massacre
Manhunt Underway for Suspect Who Shot a Cop in Milwaukee
Red Sox Star ‘Likes’ Woman’s Instagram Pics During Game, Gets Suspended
Feds: NJ Man Planned to Join ISIS for $7K & Four Wives

All stories related to the Charleston racist terrorist attack are about forgiveness, responding to Obama talking about guns, or the ‘politicization of Charleston.

Nothing about racism.

184 Dr. Matt  Jun 20, 2015 8:40:16am
185 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 8:40:54am

And of course another photo of him with those flag patches.

186 alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin  Jun 20, 2015 8:40:56am

re: #178 Charles Johnson

They are assholes. They’ve always been assholes. They will do what it is to maintain their asshole status. It’s what puts the gas in their tanks, and pays them well.

Grifters. peddling bullshit.

187 unproven innocence  Jun 20, 2015 8:47:14am

re: #184 Dr. Matt

The large gourds near right edge of pic look suspiciously like IEDs.

188 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 8:49:19am

re: #163 Charles Johnson

He’s wrong about the whois - it’s anonymous and appears to be hosted in Russia.

Something something reg.ru

189 De Kolta Chair  Jun 20, 2015 8:50:23am

re: #184 Dr. Matt

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The Freepers are probably wetting themselves over his wearing a Gold’s Gym tee. /////

190 Dr. Matt  Jun 20, 2015 8:50:47am

The name of his alleged manifesto is ‘rtf88’. 88 represents “Heil Hitler” among white supremacists.

191 thedopefishlives  Jun 20, 2015 8:51:14am

Morning Lizardim.

192 freetoken  Jun 20, 2015 8:54:45am

Are we timing how long it takes each of the clownz to admit that the killings were racially motivated?

193 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 20, 2015 8:56:19am

re: #192 freetoken

It’s going to be an interesting day.

194 unproven innocence  Jun 20, 2015 8:56:54am

re: #188 Nyet

Something something reg.ru

wp16.hosting.reg.ru
IPV4: 37.140.192.101

195 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 8:57:55am

Wow is all i can say.

196 makeitstop  Jun 20, 2015 8:58:23am

re: #161 Backwoods_Sleuth

“The first website I came to was the Council of Conservative Citizens.”

Well, there’s your problem, right there.

197 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 20, 2015 8:59:28am

re: #195 HappyWarrior

Wow is all i can say.

It’s pretty much exactly what we expected. Racist asshat, with a delusional worldview where the white racists are the victims.

198 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 9:00:29am

re: #197 No Country For Old Haters

It’s pretty much exactly what we expected. Racist asshat, with a delusional worldview where the white racists are the victims.

Oh believe me I know. Just that he had a manifesto too. This guy really thought this shit through.

199 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 20, 2015 9:01:34am

re: #198 HappyWarrior

Oh believe me I know. Just that he had a manifesto too. This guy really thought this shit through.

We’ve all seen this coming for years.

200 thedopefishlives  Jun 20, 2015 9:02:15am

re: #192 freetoken

Are we timing how long it takes each of the clownz to admit that the killings were racially motivated?

I saw someone post a comparison between Roof and the younger Malvo with the tagline “Stop with the race-baiting already”. I just shook my head like, really? Wingnuts. Ugh. So stupid.

201 Dr. Matt  Jun 20, 2015 9:02:58am

The views of Dylann Roof and Chuck C Johnson are interchangeable:

Anyone who thinks that White and black people look as different as we do on the outside, but are somehow magically the same on the inside, is delusional. How could our faces, skin, hair, and body structure all be different, but our brains be exactly the same? This is the nonsense we are led to believe.

Negroes have lower Iqs, lower impulse control, and higher testosterone levels in generals. These three things alone are a recipe for violent behavior. If a scientist publishes a paper on the differences between the races in Western Europe or Americans, he can expect to lose his job. There are personality traits within human families, and within different breeds of cats or dogs, so why not within the races?

202 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 20, 2015 9:03:04am

What surprises — and dismays — me is how young this guy is, and how he’s bought into all this racist shit that’s as old as the hills.

203 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 9:03:39am
204 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 9:04:01am

Just for completeness’ sake, this rune on his site:
lastrhodesian.com

is the odal rune:

The Elder Futhark Odal rune (ᛟ), also known as the ‘Othala’ rune, represents the o sound. Its reconstructed Proto-Germanic name is *ōþalan “heritage; inheritance, inherited estate”.

[…]Nazism[edit]
Further information: Nazi symbolism, Strafgesetzbuch § 86a and Odalism

Flag of the Volksdeutsche 7th SS Volunteer Mountain Division Prinz Eugen
The rendition of the Odal rune with “wings” or “feet” (serifs) was the emblem of “ethnic Germans” (Volksdeutsche) of the 7th SS Volunteer Mountain Division Prinz Eugen operating during World War II in the Nazi Germany-sponsored Independent State of Croatia. This rendition has been used by the Neo-Nazi Wiking-Jugend in Germany, and in South Africa by the Anglo-Afrikaner Bond, the nationalist, and heavily subjugated, Boer minority organization Boeremag, and the Blanke Bevrydingsbeweging.[4] This particular rendition has no historical significance outside of Nazi Germany. However, many Odinists use both versions interchangeably without any relation to National Socialism or racialism.
Another version with arrows on the end was used by the 23rd SS Volunteer Panzer Grenadier Division Nederland.

205 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 20, 2015 9:04:18am

re: #201 Dr. Matt

Get their ideas from the same sources, for sure. Note that CCJ is just five years older than Roof.

206 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 9:04:49am

re: #202 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

What surprises — and dismays — me is how young this guy is, and how he’s bought into all this racist shit that’s as old as the hills.

I think that’s what I am getting at. I am not optimistic at all about what my generation’s right wingers will be. I’ve pointed this out before but some of the most nutty current GOP elected officials are all under 50.

207 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 9:05:58am

re: #205 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Get their ideas from the same sources, for sure. Note that CCJ is just five years older than Roof.

Yep.

208 Dark_Falcon  Jun 20, 2015 9:07:00am

re: #203 Charles Johnson

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And here comes the conspiracy theories.

BBL

209 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 20, 2015 9:10:05am

Some maniac called 911, then killed the responding officer.
edition.cnn.com

Too many guns in the hands of lunatics.

210 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 9:10:44am

re: #209 No Country For Old Haters

Some maniac called 911, then killed the responding officer.
edition.cnn.com

Too many guns in the hands of lunatics.

Sheesh.

211 freetoken  Jun 20, 2015 9:11:05am

Non-candidate Mitt takes the pole position, offering cover if any of the clownz are willing to follow:

Mitt Romney: South Carolina needs to take down the Confederate flag

He still won’t say the confederate flag is inherently a racist symbol, just that many people take it as such.

212 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 9:12:07am

re: #211 freetoken

Non-candidate Mitt takes the pole position, offering cover if any of the clownz are willing to follow:

Mitt Romney: South Carolina needs to take down the Confederate flag

He still won’t say the confederate flag is inherently a racist symbol, just that many people take it as such.

If he were running, he wouldn’t say this. But yes he’s still being coy by not saying the flag is what it is.

213 blueraven  Jun 20, 2015 9:12:15am

Good for Mitt, and I mean this sincerely. I welcome any sane voice on this issue. We need more Republicans to step up.

214 Dr. Matt  Jun 20, 2015 9:12:30am

For posterity’s sake:

215 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 9:12:40am

re: #211 freetoken

OK, Mitt, this time you did good.

216 freetoken  Jun 20, 2015 9:13:12am

re: #212 HappyWarrior

The article indicates that he did say something along these lines in 2008, which got him some blowback in the deep south.

217 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 9:13:37am

re: #216 freetoken

The article indicates that he did say something along these lines in 2008, which got him some blowback in the deep south.

Okay then, good for Mitt. It seems he’s been quite consistent on this issue then.

218 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 9:14:28am

Yeah? Well, fuck you.

219 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 9:14:30am

The silence of the actual candidates is deafening though and the lone South Carolinan in the bunch did not help matters at all.

220 freetoken  Jun 20, 2015 9:14:38am

IIRC, the True Southerners didn’t like Mitt, but since they hated Satan’s spawn even more they went along with Mitt.

221 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 20, 2015 9:14:46am

re: #217 HappyWarrior

Okay then, good for Mitt. It seems he’s been quite consistent on this issue then.

He can afford to be consistent now that is is no longer a candidate…

222 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 9:15:55am

re: #218 Nyet

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Yeah? Well, fuck you.

I think it’s they who need the history lesson. The reason why the Confederate flag flags in so many capitols in the South is because of the Civli Rights years.

223 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 9:15:57am

re: #218 Nyet

It’s an idiot magnet.

224 freetoken  Jun 20, 2015 9:16:13am

See the racist blowback Mitt is even getting now on twitter:

225 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 9:16:13am

re: #221 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

He can afford to be consistent now that is is no longer a candidate…

True. I guess I’ll take what I can get.

226 PhillyPretzel  Jun 20, 2015 9:16:18am

re: #218 Nyet

And Hunter needs a date with my cast iron frying pan. /half

227 thedopefishlives  Jun 20, 2015 9:17:34am

re: #219 HappyWarrior

The silence of the actual candidates is deafening though and the lone South Carolinan in the bunch did not help matters at all.

They can’t afford to say anything. Look at the responses Mitt is generating with his statement. This is the Republican base, like it or not.

228 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 9:18:09am

re: #223 Nyet

It’s an idiot magnet.

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They keep on saying that and they never offer any proof. They want history? How about the fact that most of the Confederate states seceded while Buchanan was president. That the forces of what became the CSA fired on US Army property. That their constitutions all explicitly protected slavery. That it was about the right to secede is utter bullshit. The CSA itself attempted to put down secession when secession came to the CSA.

229 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 9:18:34am

re: #227 thedopefishlives

They can’t afford to say anything. Look at the responses Mitt is generating with his statement. This is the Republican base, like it or not.

Absolutely.

230 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 9:19:35am

There are a bunch of potential Roofs right there. Brainwashed zombies.

231 Jenner7  Jun 20, 2015 9:20:12am

Ann Coulter is an ugly human being. And I’m not talking about her looks. Ick.

232 PhillyPretzel  Jun 20, 2015 9:20:13am

re: #230 Nyet

Brainwashed is the key word.

233 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jun 20, 2015 9:21:12am

re: #230 Nyet

There are a bunch of potential Roofs right there. Brainwashed zombies.

There is a reason that Roof’s rants stayed under the radar: they are all but indistinguishable from what you hear all over the Internet and broadcast media.

234 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 9:22:03am

re: #233 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

There is a reason that Roof’s rants stayed under the radar: they are all but indistinguishable from what you hear all over the Internet and broadcast media.

Yeah just another day in Rightwingland when the shit he said was espoused.

235 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 20, 2015 9:22:17am
236 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 9:22:38am

re: #233 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

There is a reason that Roof’s rants stayed under the radar: they are all but indistinguishable from what you hear all over the Internet and broadcast media.

He apparently uploaded them right before the deed. That’s why they stayed under the radar.

237 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 9:22:48am

re: #231 Jenner7

Ann Coulter is an ugly human being. And I’m not talking about her looks. Ick.

She really is. Bill Maher’s got some nerve giving the liberals who hate her for good reason grief. She’s not “funny” or “clever”, she’s a pathetic bigot.

238 ObserverArt  Jun 20, 2015 9:23:36am

re: #151 nicdanger

“Nick Danger has left the office”

R.I.P. Phil Austin,1941-2015

Awww. I will always appreciate all those guys for building off of the mad cap staccato paced humor of the Marx brothers and running with it in their own ways.

By the way…morning all.

I feel like I have a hangover and I didn’t drink one beer last night nor anything else.

I think it is a little bit to do with my getting flipped off 3x for driving around the city yesterday, all this political crap and how it has gotten ugly due to Charleston and a breakout of shit on another forum I drop by from time to time.

I swear, there was something about yesterday…blah.

239 Dr. Matt  Jun 20, 2015 9:23:53am
240 Jenner7  Jun 20, 2015 9:25:08am

re: #239 Dr. Matt

Okay, I couldn’t help but laugh. Posing around the planters. lol

241 PhillyPretzel  Jun 20, 2015 9:25:27am

re: #239 Dr. Matt

Look at his eyes. Brrr. They give me the creeps.

242 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 9:26:28am

rwnjs right now

…

243 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 9:26:30am

re: #241 PhillyPretzel

Look at his eyes. Brrr. They give me the creeps.

Doesn’t look to be any warmth or compassion there.

244 ObserverArt  Jun 20, 2015 9:26:34am

re: #160 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The question remains. Who took all of these images of Roof?

I’m sure the police/FBI are asking.

245 JadeHelmCurious  Jun 20, 2015 9:26:36am

re: #218 Nyet

[Embedded content]

Yeah? Well, fuck you.

What ‘history lesson’ is the notRacist going to give us? Something about states rights. And liberals.

246 Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2015 9:27:57am

re: #233 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

There is a reason that Roof’s rants stayed under the radar: they are all but indistinguishable from what you hear all over the Internet and broadcast media.

I’ve read similar sentiments (though perhaps not always stated in such an explicitly racist manner) on Free Republic, Breitbart, almost any RW site you care to go to. I’ve even seen it on US local news websites.

These sentiments are entirely commonplace among the right wing.

247 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 9:28:16am

re: #245 JadeHelmCurious

What ‘history lesson’ is the notRacist going to give us? Something about states rights. And liberals.

States rights to own other people. What they also ignore and I appreciate Kragar for bringing this up many times is their pushing of the Fugitive Slave Act or the more extreme ones that wanted to allow slavery in any territory or state.

248 freetoken  Jun 20, 2015 9:28:36am

In another topic, the Iowa Supreme Court threw up the hand to the religious right in the state:

Iowa Court Ruling Says Doctors Can Prescribe Abortion Drugs by Video

I suspect Vanderplats and the rest of the religious right will try to throw them out of office, as happened after the gay marriage ruling and subsequent successful campaign to unseat one of the justices.

249 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 9:28:51am

re: #246 Dr Lizardo

I’ve read similar sentiments (though perhaps not always stated in such an explicitly racist manner) on Free Republic, Breitbart, almost any RW site you care to go to. I’ve even seen it on US local news websites.

These sentiments are entirely commonplace among the right wing.

Yep and I honestly have no doubt that Dylann Roof has been influenced by that.

250 unproven innocence  Jun 20, 2015 9:28:52am

re: #239 Dr. Matt

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NRA-style penis extension ad-pic candidate.

251 Dr. Matt  Jun 20, 2015 9:29:16am

re: #241 PhillyPretzel

Look at his eyes. Brrr. They give me the creeps.

Captain Quint has an appropriate description of Roof’s eyes:

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252 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 9:29:33am

re: #241 PhillyPretzel

Look at his eyes. Brrr. They give me the creeps.

Look at those eyes:

253 thedopefishlives  Jun 20, 2015 9:29:51am

re: #247 HappyWarrior

States rights to own other people. What they also ignore and I appreciate Kragar for bringing this up many times is their pushing of the Fugitive Slave Act or the more extreme ones that wanted to allow slavery in any territory or state.

They wanted a history lesson, they got it.

254 PhillyPretzel  Jun 20, 2015 9:30:37am

re: #252 Nyet

Oy Vey here we go again.

255 Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2015 9:30:44am

re: #249 HappyWarrior

Yep and I honestly have no doubt that Dylann Roof has been influenced by that.

I said the other day - and I still hold to it - that the admins at FR, Stormfront, probably Breitbart and other RW sites, are all frantically going through their archives to see if Roof was a frequent (or even occasional) poster.

256 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 9:31:08am

re: #252 Nyet

Look at those eyes:

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Your culture? These people still speak of themselves as a foreign country but yeah they’re “proud Americans” alright. You know, go ahead love the Confederate Flag but don’t fucking ever accuse me of not loving America because I am a liberal when you proudly wave the Confederate flag.

257 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 9:31:32am

re: #254 PhillyPretzel

Oy Vey here we go again.

“German Swastika is not a hate symbol! Don’t define my culture for me!”

258 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 20, 2015 9:32:21am

I’ll give credit where credit is due—Mitt said something right for once. But as I said back in 123, taking down the Beauregard Flag from the S. C. State House isn’t enough. Take it off the Mississippi flag. And most importantly, force Georgia to stop using the actual flag of the CSA for their state flag. Right now.

259 Dr. Matt  Jun 20, 2015 9:32:42am

Truly a fucking asshole that only CCJ could match:

MABANK, Texas — A volunteer firefighter from East Texas was terminated Friday after a post the man allegedly made in response to the deadly Charleston, S.C. shooting.

On their Facebook page early Friday afternoon, the Mabank Fire Department said Kurtis Cook was “terminated” and “trespassed from all Mabank Fire Department property” after an investigation into allegations against the volunteer firefighter.

According to a kltv.com report, Cook was accused of making a post on a South Carolina newspaper’s Facebook page that said Dylann Roof “needs to be praised for the good deed he has done.

260 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 9:32:48am
261 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 9:33:16am

re: #253 thedopefishlives

They wanted a history lesson, they got it.

Ha my pleasure. This of course is fairly basic stuff. When I think about the Confederate Flag phenomenon, it truly is an unique thing because as I got at, many people who proudly wave it also proclaim to love the US flag and country and I think that’s incompatible. Go ahead love the CSA flag but as I just said don’t ever lecture me about patriotism or accuse me of not loving our country again because I am a liberal. Obviously not you dopefish but the fucknuts that wave it and accuse liberals like me and you of hating America.

262 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 9:34:08am

re: #259 Dr. Matt

Truly a fucking asshole that only CCJ could match:

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OFFS and let me guess there’s probably some people out there who are butthurt because KKKurtis got fired.

263 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 20, 2015 9:34:48am

re: #247 HappyWarrior

States rights to own other people. What they also ignore and I appreciate Kragar for bringing this up many times is their pushing of the Fugitive Slave Act or the more extreme ones that wanted to allow slavery in any territory or state.

Extension of slavery into the territories is what the war was about. A constitutional amendment protecting slavery where it already existed had passed both houses of congress and would undoubtedly have been ratified. That wasn’t good enough for them. They had to expand slavery wherever they could.

264 CuriousLurker  Jun 20, 2015 9:35:07am

Domain Registration & Privacy Protection 101

Regarding the whois stuff, as Charles pointed out, the anonymized contact info is that of the company providing the privacy protection, in this case Privacy Protect. The company that provides the privacy protection service is separate from the registrar, however in some cases may be owned by the same company.

For example Domains By Proxy is owned by Bob Parsons, the owner of GoDaddy, so in that case the registrar & privacy provider are the same even though they have separate company names & websites.

Just providing the info for anyone who doesn’t know how it works. So in the case of the site in question, the registrar is reg.ru LLC, the privacy protection provider is Privacy Protection Service INC d/b/a PrivacyProtect.org, and the actual registrant of the site could be anyone anywhere.

For those who have never registered a domain name, all you really need is a debit/credit card or PayPal (or other service, depending on your location) with which to pay for the registration and access to a working email address. You can use any name & address you wish when you fill out the “registrant” part—it need not be legit as the registrar doesn’t attempt to verify your identity.

BTW, when renewal time comes up, you can even call them up and tell them you’re the web developer and you want to pay the renewal fee for your client using your comapny credit card or whatever. As long as you have the account’s username & password (and in the case of GoDaddy, the call-in PIN), then they’ll accept it. I know this because I’ve done it dozens of times.

The only way a fake registrant or contact info would ever be discovered is if law enforcement requested the identity (example here of what PrivacyProtect requires) or if the person who registered the domain forgets the login credentials for the account and no longer has access to the email account used to register the domain.

265 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 9:35:11am

re: #260 Nyet

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Last I saw, Malcolm X and the Nation of Islam don’t have their flag flying over state capitols. What the fuck does that even mean.

266 Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2015 9:35:41am

re: #260 Nyet

Yeah……I’ll bet for Karon, Malcolm X is a big issue.

267 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 20, 2015 9:36:04am

re: #265 HappyWarrior

Last I saw, Malcolm X and the Nation of Islam don’t have their flag flying over state capitols. What the fuck does that even mean.

It means she’s a racist moron.

268 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 9:36:05am

re: #262 HappyWarrior

It’s a witch-hunt, I tells ya! And what about freedumb of speech?!?!

269 ObserverArt  Jun 20, 2015 9:36:10am

re: #213 blueraven

Good for Mitt, and I mean this sincerely. I welcome any sane voice on this issue. We need more Republicans to step up.

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“To many” what about to you Mitt?

Dance…dance…dance…around the reality pole. Dance with the Republican party, all are welcome. We may not like the way you think, but we will tolerate you because of the way you vote.

And we can always ignore you after the elections when we are back in our police patrolled and gated communities, or off in some other country while we make the US a lesser place.

270 Dr. Matt  Jun 20, 2015 9:36:15am

re: #262 HappyWarrior

OFFS and let me guess there’s probably some people out there who are butthurt because KKKurtis got fired.

At the link to that post, people were claiming that the government violated his First Amendment Rights. I wish I was joking….

271 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 9:36:43am

re: #263 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Extension of slavery into the territories is what the war was about. A constitutional amendment protecting slavery where it already existed had passed both houses of congress and would undoubtedly have been ratified. That wasn’t good enough for them. They had to expand slavery wherever they could.

Which is why some people like Lincoln’s old rival Douglas who had been sympathetic to them before the war became Unionists. The Democratic Party of that time definitely deserves criticism for not being pro-abolition but it’s a lie to claim that there weren’t any Democratic unionists.

272 thedopefishlives  Jun 20, 2015 9:36:52am

re: #261 HappyWarrior

If I hated America, would I put my American flag out on the front porch every Memorial Day?

273 Iwouldprefernotto  Jun 20, 2015 9:36:53am

I don’t want them to just take down the flag, I want them to keep it down. My fear is that they will take it down for a few weeks and when the heat is off, out it back up.

274 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 9:36:54am

re: #267 No Country For Old Haters

It means she’s a racist moron.

Goes without saying.

275 PhillyPretzel  Jun 20, 2015 9:37:34am

re: #264 CuriousLurker

Thanks. And I bookmarked it.

276 Dr. Matt  Jun 20, 2015 9:37:49am

re: #265 HappyWarrior

Last I saw, Malcolm X and the Nation of Islam don’t have their flag flying over state capitols. What the fuck does that even mean.

And, something, something, Al Sharpton, something, something, Al Gore, Soros, and MSNBC…..

277 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 9:38:02am

re: #272 thedopefishlives

If I hated America, would I put my American flag out on the front porch every Memorial Day?

Yes. Maskirovka.

278 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 9:38:09am

re: #272 thedopefishlives

If I hated America, would I put my American flag out on the front porch every Memorial Day?

If I hated America would I not be proud of all my relatives who have served this country. If I hated America, would I vote and express vocally how I think we can improve? Really. These people got some fucking nerve.

279 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 20, 2015 9:38:12am

re: #274 HappyWarrior

Goes without saying.

But, no meaning beyond that.

280 freetoken  Jun 20, 2015 9:38:25am

Twitter is full of racist morons.

281 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 9:38:38am

Domain Tools historical lookup shows the site was registered in the name Dylann Roof with his actual address.

282 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 9:38:41am

re: #279 No Country For Old Haters

But, no meaning beyond that.

I know. Just sheehs.

283 PhillyPretzel  Jun 20, 2015 9:38:46am

re: #280 freetoken

Another reason not to tweet.

284 BeachDem  Jun 20, 2015 9:38:56am

re: #143 Varek Raith

S. Carolina lawmaker announces bill calling for Confederate flag to be taken down

Here’s how I feel about his big announcement:

littlegreenfootballs.com

285 ObserverArt  Jun 20, 2015 9:39:59am

re: #215 Nyet

OK, Mitt, this time you did good.

Nyet!

You know I like me some statements with backbone and conviction. Like I just posted, what does Mitt think of the flag.

I’ll give him credit when he is bold enough to say “I am offended by the flag and what it stands for, take it down.”

Be a man about it.

More weasel words.

286 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 9:40:08am

re: #281 Charles Johnson

derekjeeter88, hmm

bgp.he.net

287 Dr. Matt  Jun 20, 2015 9:40:15am

re: #281 Charles Johnson

Domain Tools historical lookup shows the site was registered in the name Dylann Roof with his actual address.

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And another ‘88’ reference: derekjeeter88@yandex.com

288 Awea  Jun 20, 2015 9:40:19am

re: #281 Charles Johnson

He was a Derek Jeeter fan?

289 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 9:41:03am

re: #285 ObserverArt

You want perfection, I’ll take what’s in the real world.

290 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 9:41:36am

re: #281 Charles Johnson

That’s pretty conclusive evidence it really is Roof’s website.

291 freetoken  Jun 20, 2015 9:41:38am

re: #283 PhillyPretzel

Another reason not to tweet.

It’s sweet
to tweet.
But t’ avoid the racists’ bleat
is quite the feat.

292 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 20, 2015 9:42:19am

re: #290 Charles Johnson

I was convinced by the zip file of photos.

293 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 9:42:42am

re: #292 No Country For Old Haters

I was convinced by the zip file of photos.

Yes, photos are conclusive.

294 Dr. Matt  Jun 20, 2015 9:42:59am

Right-wing blogs are all scrambling right now to see if derekjeeter88@yandex.com has a registered account.

295 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 9:43:14am

I’m downloading the zip file of photos from the site now - going really slowly. Probably a lot of people hitting this low budget shared server. Won’t be surprising to see it crash soon.

296 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 20, 2015 9:43:21am

re: #288 Awea

He was a Derek Jeeter fan?

Doubtful. It’s Jeter not Jeeter, and and his father is African-American. “88” has nothing to do with Jeter, AFAIK.

297 unproven innocence  Jun 20, 2015 9:44:17am

re: #281 Charles Johnson

You might want to blur that home ph#.

298 JadeHelmCurious  Jun 20, 2015 9:44:44am

re: #289 Nyet

You want perfection, I’ll take what’s in the real world.

He’s on the right side of the issue, however clumsily.

299 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 9:44:56am

re: #296 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Doubtful. It’s Jeter not Jeeter, and and his father is African-American. “88” has nothing to do with Jeter, AFAIK.

Yeah very doubtful and he plays for one of the most diverse teams in the most diverse city. This’d be like Chairman Mao being a Dallas Cowboys fan.

300 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 9:45:16am

re: #297 unproven innocence

Too late - I got this from a tweet someone else posted. It’s already all over Twitter.

301 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 9:45:18am

re: #297 unproven innocence

You might want to blur that home ph#.

Good catch.

302 ObserverArt  Jun 20, 2015 9:47:11am

re: #266 Dr Lizardo

Yeah……I’ll bet for Karon, Malcolm X is a big issue.

I bet she doesn’t know a damn thing about him…just that real scary name Malcolm X and even scarier skin color.

I am now pretty convinced if Roof did anything, he may have blown the lid off of any thinking racism is dead. Hell, he may have kick stated it.

Didn’t he say he wanted to start a race war?

Look out…powder keg loaded and ready to blow. Again.

303 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 20, 2015 9:47:35am

re: #299 HappyWarrior

Yeah very doubtful and he plays for one of the most diverse teams in the most diverse city. This’d be like Chairman Mao being a Dallas Cowboys fan.

Mao favored the 49ers.
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304 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jun 20, 2015 9:49:02am

re: #265 HappyWarrior

Last I saw, Malcolm X and the Nation of Islam don’t have their flag flying over state capitols. What the fuck does that even mean.

I’ll go even farther; if any state flies Malcolm X over its state capitol I’ll demand that they take him down.

305 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 9:49:12am

re: #303 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Mao favored the 49ers.
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You have to give him credit then since he was following them before the Bill Walsh years.

306 ObserverArt  Jun 20, 2015 9:49:30am

re: #289 Nyet

You want perfection, I’ll take what’s in the real world.

No not perfection. Leadership. A leader says “he” not “they” and stands for it.

Just proof “he” was never leadership material.

Roof was bold enough to say “he” wants all African Americans gone.

Answer back in kind and show you have some balls.

307 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 9:50:23am

Got the photos. There are 60 of them. A very sick, sick fuck.

308 Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2015 9:50:53am

re: #302 ObserverArt

I bet she doesn’t know a damn thing about him…just that real scary name Malcolm X and even scarier skin color.

I am now pretty convinced if Roof did anything, he may have blown the lid off of any thinking racism is dead. Hell, he may have kick stated it.

Didn’t he say he wanted to start a race war?

Look out…powder keg loaded and ready to blow. Again.

Yep, sad but true. For me, reading The Autobiography of Malcolm X was one of those defining points in my life - it made a hell of an impression on me.

309 CuriousLurker  Jun 20, 2015 9:51:00am

re: #290 Charles Johnson

That’s pretty conclusive evidence it really is Roof’s website.

I would agree given that it was registered back in February. Had it been closer to the attack in Charleston, I’d be more skeptical.

If Roof did indeed register it himself then it’s going to look really bad for him, like he’d been planning it for months.

310 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jun 20, 2015 9:51:01am

re: #307 Charles Johnson

Got the photos. There are 60 of them. A very sick, sick fuck.

You’re a strong man to wade through that shit.

311 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 9:51:31am

re: #306 ObserverArt

Since I don’t expect leadership from Mitt, we’re judging by different criteria.

312 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 9:51:34am

re: #308 Dr Lizardo

Yep, sad but true. For me, reading The Autobiography of Malcolm X was one of those defining points in my life - it made a hell of an impression on me.

Richard Wright’s autobiography had the same effect on me.

313 freetoken  Jun 20, 2015 9:51:54am

re: #306 ObserverArt

Romney is part of the Executive Class, those who sit in boardrooms during the day. These folk have long perfected the ability to manipulate people but yet not commit to their own inner dialogue or beliefs. In a way, the Boardroom Class are the opposite of the artists, who work out publicly their inner being.

314 thedopefishlives  Jun 20, 2015 9:52:00am

re: #307 Charles Johnson

Got the photos. There are 60 of them. A very sick, sick fuck.

Not news to any of us, I’m sure. Probably lots of gun porn, confederate battle flags, and perhaps even some swastikas.

315 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 9:52:30am

re: #310 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

You’re a strong man to wade through that shit.

It’s just photos of him and trees.

316 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 9:52:34am

Watching Jon Stewart’s interview with Malala Yousafzai. Really good.

317 freetoken  Jun 20, 2015 9:52:49am

re: #315 Nyet

It’s just photos of him and trees.

… and flowers…

318 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 20, 2015 9:52:59am

re: #307 Charles Johnson

Got the photos. There are 60 of them. A very sick, sick fuck.

Do you think most of them were shot by a third party or could they be selfies?

319 CuriousLurker  Jun 20, 2015 9:53:20am

re: #300 Charles Johnson

Too late - I got this from a tweet someone else posted. It’s already all over Twitter.

Heh, I was wondering why you’d pay the $50/mo for the Whois history.

320 CuriousLurker  Jun 20, 2015 9:55:06am

*holds hand up in front of face* Nope, I didn’t suddenly become invisible. //

321 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 9:55:24am

re: #318 Eclectic Cyborg

Theoretically I suppose he could have made them himself with a tripod. Unless there are any tell-tale signs indicating otherwise…

322 sagehen  Jun 20, 2015 9:55:39am

OT:

I’m watching “Making of the Mob” right now, the Lucky Luciano episode.

I hadn’t realized that Luciano, Meyer Lansky and Bugsy Siegel had been together since their early adolescence. And now they’ve reached the part of the story where they hook up with Arnold Rothstein in Chicago…

Somehow, I’d thought Jewish gangsters were late additions to the Italian mob, I hadn’t realized how integral they were to its ascent from local street thugs to huge, organized, national enterprise. Not sure if ethnic pride or ethnic shame is more appropriate… (but now I understand why Luciano was my dad’s “favorite” gangster)

323 Lidane  Jun 20, 2015 9:56:11am

re: #307 Charles Johnson

Got the photos. There are 60 of them. A very sick, sick fuck.

My question is who took the photos and how didn’t any of them raise red flags for that person?

324 PhillyPretzel  Jun 20, 2015 9:56:21am

re: #307 Charles Johnson

Would you like some brain bleach or an emergency kitten to counteract the 60 photos?

littlegreenfootballs.com

325 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 9:56:23am

re: #309 CuriousLurker

I would agree given that it was registered back in February. Had it been closer to the attack in Charleston, I’d be more skeptical.

If Roof did indeed register it himself then it’s going to look really bad for him, like he’d been planning it for months.

Yes, registered in February, with Roof’s name and address. It has to be him.

326 Charles Johnson  Jun 20, 2015 9:56:55am

Most of the photos look like they were timed selfies.

327 ObserverArt  Jun 20, 2015 9:57:18am

re: #311 Nyet

Since I don’t expect leadership from Mitt, we’re judging by different criteria.

Now that I can agree with. Mr obviously not obvious.

Your comment about Mitt doing good is not really good leadership then I take it. Just a platitude.

328 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 20, 2015 9:57:41am

re: #326 Charles Johnson

Most of the photos look like they were timed selfies.

That was my impression too. I’ve taken photos like that before. Timed selfies I mean, not photos filled with racist crap.

329 PhillyPretzel  Jun 20, 2015 9:57:51am

re: #322 sagehen

Jewish gangsters were in Odessa before they came here.

330 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 20, 2015 9:58:05am

Anyone have a link to this manifesto of his?

331 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 20, 2015 9:58:08am

re: #174 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wearing the same shirt:

332 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 9:58:26am

re: #322 sagehen

OT:

I’m watching “Making of the Mob” right now, the Lucky Luciano episode.

I hadn’t realized that Luciano, Meyer Lansky and Bugsy Siegel had been together since their early adolescence. And now they’ve reached the part of the story where they hook up with Arnold Rothstein in Chicago…

Somehow, I’d thought Jewish gangsters were late additions to the Italian mob, I hadn’t realized how integral they were to its ascent from local street thugs to huge, organized, national enterprise. Not sure if ethnic pride or ethnic shame is more appropriate… (but now I understand why Luciano was my dad’s “favorite” gangster)

As they say on the show, Luciano was all about money.

333 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 9:58:49am

re: #327 ObserverArt

There you go again. Sigh.

334 ObserverArt  Jun 20, 2015 9:59:04am

re: #313 freetoken

Romney is part of the Executive Class, those who sit in boardrooms during the day. These folk have long perfected the ability to manipulate people but yet not commit to their own inner dialogue or beliefs. In a way, the Boardroom Class are the opposite of the artists, who work out publicly their inner being.

Thank you!

Print that up on a gibungous poster and put it up all over the world.

335 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 9:59:56am

re: #329 PhillyPretzel

Read any Babel?

336 PhillyPretzel  Jun 20, 2015 10:00:37am

re: #335 Nyet

No.

337 Mattand  Jun 20, 2015 10:00:41am

re: #142 Doofus

World oldest person lives in Brooklyn NY, at 115 years old. God bless her.

Great. Immortal hipsters.

Thanks a lot, Brooklyn.

338 unproven innocence  Jun 20, 2015 10:00:57am

re: #322 sagehen

It’s my understanding that Luciano had made some kind of deal with the US government, in which he provided some unofficial wartime assistance with the invasion of Italy.

339 Jenner7  Jun 20, 2015 10:01:20am
340 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 10:01:35am

re: #336 PhillyPretzel

en.wikipedia.org

341 CuriousLurker  Jun 20, 2015 10:01:43am

I know this will surprise exactly no one here, but I was catching up on my SPLC reading this morning and noticed some of the racists had already started blaming it on ZIonists by Thursday:

It didn’t take long for VNN users to turn to Jews as the source of the massacre.

“This all seems too scripted,” wrote “ToneDeaf.” “Possibly Zionists are behind this ?? Who else would benefit from an all out civil war?” […]

I’m not sure how they think Zionists would benefit from (another) U.S. civil war, but, hey, if these people had any critical thinking skills they probably wouldn’t be knuckle-dragging racists hanging out at white supremacist web sites.

342 sagehen  Jun 20, 2015 10:02:12am

re: #329 PhillyPretzel

Jewish gangsters were in Odessa before they came here.

Are you taking about this generation? I know that NY area Jewish gangsters *today* are far more likely to affiliate with Russians than Italians. Brighton Beach is just crawling with them.

343 PhillyPretzel  Jun 20, 2015 10:03:42am

re: #340 Nyet

re: #342 sagehen

I say this because my late mom’s father was loosely associated with them before he came to the US. Roughly about 1900.

344 BeachDem  Jun 20, 2015 10:03:43am

re: #220 freetoken

IIRC, the True Southerners didn’t like Mitt, but since they hated Satan’s spawn even more they went along with Mitt.

South Carolina Republicans went for Newt in the primary—ruining their record of picking the eventual GOP nominee since 1980. That’s how much they loved Romney /

345 Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2015 10:03:58am

re: #341 CuriousLurker

I know this will surprise exactly no one here, but I was catching up on my SPLC reading this morning and noticed some of the racists had already started blaming it on ZIonists by Thursday:

I’m not sure how they think Zionists would benefit from (another) U.S. civil war, but, hey, if these people had any critical thinking skills they probably wouldn’t be knuckle-dragging racists hanging out at white supremacist web sites.

It’s the old canard that TEH JUICE PROFIT FROM WAR!!; it goes back a long way.

346 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 10:05:37am

re: #345 Dr Lizardo

It’s the old canard that TEH JUICE PROFIT FROM WAR!!; it goes back a long way.

Yep.

347 CuriousLurker  Jun 20, 2015 10:06:41am

re: #345 Dr Lizardo

It’s the old canard that TEH JUICE PROFIT FROM WAR!!; it goes back a long way.

Yeah, apparently they’re the source of all evil & misfortune in the world, at least according to some. *smh*

348 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 10:06:52am

re: #338 unproven innocence

It’s my understanding that Luciano had made some kind of deal with the US government, in which he provided some unofficial wartime assistance with the invasion of Italy.

The Mob’s history during the war is interesting. Luciano helped out the Allies and Mussolini’s regime had been very hostile to the Mafia but at the same time Vito Genovese who has also been mentioned on the show apparently had an anti-Mussolini journalist murdered. Not sure if it was before or during the war.

349 Nyet  Jun 20, 2015 10:07:08am

re: #340 Nyet

What do you know, the 1926 film is online and even with English subs.

…

350 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 10:07:13am

re: #347 CuriousLurker

Yeah, apparently they’re the source of all evil & misfortune in the world, at least according to some. *smh*

But Christians are being persecuted.//

351 sagehen  Jun 20, 2015 10:08:33am

re: #338 unproven innocence

It’s my understanding that Luciano had made some kind of deal with the US government, in which he provided some unofficial wartime assistance with the invasion of Italy.

Not unofficial at all. Totally official. The FBI, at the request of the War Department, cut a deal with him that his Sicilian cousins provided a *LOT* of operational assistance to OSS agents behind enemy lines — safe houses, transportation, papers, local information gathering, etc. — in return for which Luciano was pardoned for any and all crimes committed before 1942. Including a number of murders.

The Mafia also had their own reasons for being less than fond of Mussolini’s government, so they were pretty enthusiastic in their assistance.

352 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 10:09:54am

Lansky obviously had good reasons not to like the Axis.

353 JadeHelmCurious  Jun 20, 2015 10:12:57am
The swastika was not a symbol of the holocaust, it was symbol of pride for the humble 1000 year reich. Quit drinking the Kool Aid!
354 wrenchwench  Jun 20, 2015 10:16:16am
355 makeitstop  Jun 20, 2015 10:20:54am

re: #260 Nyet

so is Malcolm x

Last I checked, Malcolm X is not flying over the goddamned South Carolina state house.

356 Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2015 10:24:00am

re: #355 makeitstop

Last I checked, Malcolm X is not flying over the goddamned South Carolina state house.

BUT HIS BOOK IS IN MY LOCAL LIBRARY!!

357 Dr. Matt  Jun 20, 2015 10:24:28am

He’s a disgusting little man:

358 Lidane  Jun 20, 2015 10:25:40am

Freepers have settled on the NO TRUE CONSERVATIVE reaction to the racist manifesto from Dylann Roof:

Anti-American flagburner murders 9 Christians. Has more in common with Bill Ayres than Bull Connor.
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Certainly no conservative.
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Has anyone determined this guy’s religion?
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A fan of skin heads and the KKK….. the legacy of the democrat party
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I read his standard liberal talking points. Same words and sentiments. Hate for minorities, using them to fill an agenda, anyi-American flag stomping, pining for the Klan…

He’s the liberal posterboy.
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Every action has an equal an opposite reaction.
I blame this on Obama/Holder. They have set race relations back 50 years or more.
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I found it interesting that there was no reference to religion or God. That entire concept didn’t go into his stupid manafesto at all, either positive, negative, or just in passing.

Was he just part of the social atheism that’s taken over our young people today?
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Let’s see…Weather Underground (ayers/dorn et al) wanting to start a race war; Charlie Manson (wanting to start a race war)
This punk…wanting to start a race war.
What’s the common denominator?
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He’s a millennial. Born in the Clinton era of “some lies are good lies”

All his life, told that self-respect is not earned; that awards do not come from achievements.

Fed a steady diet of left wing lies on TV, internet, and schools.

Told that 9/11 was an ‘inside job”, that corporations want to kill the oceans, and that Christians are bigots who believe in a “magic sky daddy”

Small wonder that killing nine people at a Bible study seemed to him to be something other than the monstrous act that it is.
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I’m talking about his thoughs regarding the conduct of some minority groups, not about his atrocious conduct driven by his reaction to that conduct of others.

Many very sane Americans are very angry and frustrated when we watch Fusgesson and Baltimore go up in flames despite the billions we have poured into those communities.

But we are way too good as people to take out our frustration on 9 innocents by killing them.
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359 Amory Blaine  Jun 20, 2015 10:26:55am

Someone in the last thread mentions Roof’s older sister was to be married this weekend. Given what he said before he killed is it known if her betrothed is a black person?

360 CuriousLurker  Jun 20, 2015 10:27:25am

re: #355 makeitstop

Last I checked, Malcolm X is not flying over the goddamned South Carolina state house.

This. Also, he paid with his life for his break with the NOI and subsequent rejection of anti-white bigotry in favor of mainstream Islam.

361 Dr. Matt  Jun 20, 2015 10:27:28am

re: #358 Lidane

Freepers have settled on the NO TRUE CONSERVATIVE reaction to the racist manifesto from Dylann Roof:

So liberals are now fans of the confederacy? huh?

362 Dr Lizardo  Jun 20, 2015 10:28:42am

re: #360 CuriousLurker

This. Also, he paid with his life for his break with the NOI and subsequent rejection of anti-white bigotry in favor of mainstream Islam.

I’ve often wondered how Islam would’ve progressed in the US if Malcolm hadn’t be assassinated? It’s an interesting point to ponder.

363 Lidane  Jun 20, 2015 10:30:16am

re: #361 Dr. Matt

So liberals are now fans of the confederacy? huh?

It’s a standard wingnut talking point.

The Confederates were Democrats! The KKK were Democrats! The Confederate flag is a Democrat symbol!

364 CuriousLurker  Jun 20, 2015 10:31:01am

re: #358 Lidane

Freepers have settled on the NO TRUE CONSERVATIVE reaction to the racist manifesto from Dylann Roof:

The GOP reaction to this is basically ensuring that they’ll lose the black vote for a generation or more.

365 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 20, 2015 10:31:14am

Oh what FUCKING PLANET is Dylann Roof a LIBERAL poster boy?

Just when I thought I’d seen everything. Holy shit! The conservatives are reeeeally reaching to try and argue he wasn’t one of them.

How many Liberals fly confederate flags?

366 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 10:31:48am

re: #358 Lidane

Freepers have settled on the NO TRUE CONSERVATIVE reaction to the racist manifesto from Dylann Roof:

Of course.

367 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 20, 2015 10:31:49am

Was the KKK even around during the U.S. civil war?

368 thedopefishlives  Jun 20, 2015 10:32:02am

re: #365 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh what FUCKING PLANET is Dylann Roof a LIBERAL poster boy?

Just when I thought I’d seen everything. Holy shit! The conservatives are reeeeally reaching to try and argue he wasn’t one of them.

How many Liberals fly confederate flags?

Well, it depends. Is it a bad thing? Then all of them. Is it a good thing? Then none of them.///

369 wrenchwench  Jun 20, 2015 10:32:24am

re: #365 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh what FUCKING PLANET is Dylann Roof a LIBERAL poster boy?

Just when I thought I’d seen everything. Holy shit! The conservatives are reeeeally reaching to try and argue he wasn’t one of them.

How many Liberals fly confederate flags?

Only the ones who are liberal with their interpretation of history.

370 HappyWarrior  Jun 20, 2015 10:32:38am

re: #365 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh what FUCKING PLANET is Dylann Roof a LIBERAL poster boy?

Just when I thought I’d seen everything. Holy shit! The conservatives are reeeeally reaching to try and argue he wasn’t one of them.

How many Liberals fly confederate flags?

I’ve seen some people claim he wasn’t even white. Don’t underestimate conservative refusal to admit reality.

371 thedopefishlives  Jun 20, 2015 10:32:49am

re: #367 Eclectic Cyborg

Was the KKK even around during the U.S. civil war?

No. The KKK as an organization was founded by Confederate cavalry general Nathan Bedford Forrest after the war as a way for white people to cling to their racist shithead views.

372 CuriousLurker  Jun 20, 2015 10:33:07am

re: #363 Lidane

It’s a standard wingnut talking point.

The Confederates were Democrats! The KKK were Democrats! The Confederate flag is a Democrat symbol!

Yeah, never mind all those Confederate flags being waved at TP rallies.

373 CuriousLurker  Jun 20, 2015 10:34:31am

re: #367 Eclectic Cyborg

Was the KKK even around during the U.S. civil war?

They were a product of the (post-war) Reconstruction.

374 Amory Blaine  Jun 20, 2015 10:37:47am

The confederates are the conservative movement full stop.

375 Skip Intro  Jun 20, 2015 10:37:49am

re: #259 Dr. Matt

Truly a fucking asshole that only CCJ could match:

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He needs to be more than terminated. He needs to be placed on a potential terrorist watch list.

376 allegro  Jun 20, 2015 10:40:33am

re: #375 Skip Intro

He needs to be more than terminated. He needs to be placed on a potential terrorist watch list.

Seriously. We ask why no one snapped to Roof’s clues of his intentions, this guy is a walking red flag.

377 No Country For Old Haters  Jun 20, 2015 10:47:05am

Fox is focusing on wanting to execute the shooter.

foxnews.com is bonkers.

378 BeachDem  Jun 20, 2015 10:47:38am

re: #359 Amory Blaine

Someone in the last thread mentions Roof’s older sister was to be married this weekend. Given what he said before he killed is it known if her betrothed is a black person?

No—there are a bunch of pics of her and her fiance at one of the sites from the articles we were talking about. The Daily Mail story (didn’t link—won’t link) has a bunch of pics and I think that’s where they are (not in the main story, but they have another one about the sister.)

379 thedopefishlives  Jun 20, 2015 10:50:49am

re: #377 No Country For Old Haters

Fox is focusing on wanting to execute the shooter.

foxnews.com is bonkers.

These people are seriously sick.


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